From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  1 00:57:18 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:57:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
Message-ID: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

Visit the following pages with 3 stacks saved for web:
http://aulasdigitales.net/test01.html
http://aulasdigitales.net/test02.html
http://aulasdigitales.net/test03.html

These pages will be available until Sunday.

Have a nice weekend!

al

 Visit my site:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/



      

From stevex64 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  1 01:06:15 2009
From: stevex64 at yahoo.com (stevex64)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:06:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Decrypt problem
Message-ID: <24766119.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

I have .csv files that I encrypt with one little app that only encrypts. It
appears to encrypt with no problem. The key is hard-coded in the app. 

I have another app that needs to decrypt the .csv files. I have the same key
hard-coded into this app. But when it tries to decrypt, it gets this error:

error:0606506D:digital envelope routines:EVP_DecryptFinal:wrong final block
length

The encrypt code is like this:

 put "a1b2c3d4e5f6" into theKey
   encrypt myRawData using blowfish with (theKey)
   put the result into rslt
   if rslt is not empty then
      beep
      answer error rslt
   else
      put it into mySafeData
   end if

and the decrypt code like this:

put "a1b2c3d4e5f6" into myK
decrypt fld "fldDataT" of grp "backgroundItems" of card startCard using
"blowfish" with (myK)
put the result into rslt
if rslt is not empty then
   beep
   answer error rslt
else
   put it into  fld "fldDataT" of grp "backgroundItems" of card startCard
end if

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Steve
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From stevex64 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  1 01:20:44 2009
From: stevex64 at yahoo.com (stevex64)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 22:20:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
Message-ID: <24766175.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

I played with one sample revMedia app embedded in a web page. That was
pretty cool. Does anyone know if you can embed a full-blown app developed in
revEnterprise in a web page somehow? It could have interesting distribution
and update implications.

Thanks,

Steve
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Aug  1 02:09:01 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:09:01 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70907312309u48bbbc4amd10d6cf64146ad4e@mail.gmail.com>

Alejandro!!! awesome work....
sqb

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/7/31 Alejandro Tejada <capellan2000 at yahoo.com>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Visit the following pages with 3 stacks saved for web:
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test01.html
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test02.html
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test03.html
>
> These pages will be available until Sunday.
>
> Have a nice weekend!
>
> al
>
> ?Visit my site:
> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/
>
>
>
>
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 02:20:48 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 07:20:48 +0100
Subject: Decrypt problem
In-Reply-To: <24766119.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <24766119.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0907312320r1d34965anc2b9b67099ef6684@mail.gmail.com>

Are you running both apps on the same machine?

Bernard

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:06 AM, stevex64<stevex64 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have .csv files that I encrypt with one little app that only encrypts. It
> appears to encrypt with no problem. The key is hard-coded in the app.
>
> I have another app that needs to decrypt the .csv files. I have the same key
> hard-coded into this app. But when it tries to decrypt, it gets this error:
>
> error:0606506D:digital envelope routines:EVP_DecryptFinal:wrong final block
> length


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 02:25:07 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 07:25:07 +0100
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
In-Reply-To: <24766175.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <24766175.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0907312325y1409f02et95b1ca986552f6ed@mail.gmail.com>

During the webinar concerning Rev 4 I asked an unanswered question
about SSL and the new rev plugin.  We were told these questions would
make their way into a FAQ, but I haven't seen any further reference to
these FAQs.  So what I'm saying here is just my deductions.

On the belief that revMedia is being made free because it is this that
is the basis for the browser plugin, I really don't see how any rev
code running inside the plugin could access a URL using https (since
SSL is an enterprise-only feature).

So, it looks like one cannot expect an application built with
Enterprise to necessarily work inside the plugin.

Bernard

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:20 AM, stevex64<stevex64 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I played with one sample revMedia app embedded in a web page. That was
> pretty cool. Does anyone know if you can embed a full-blown app developed in
> revEnterprise in a web page somehow? It could have interesting distribution
> and update implications.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 02:40:59 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 07:40:59 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0907312340w22d65f1en1b333266e0f4ea01@mail.gmail.com>

I get a lot of problems with this one:
http://aulasdigitales.net/test02.html

I tried it twice, and clicking around on various different features
caused the rev plugin and the browser to become unresponsive.  When
this happened on the 2nd occasion I had Activity Monitor open and the
plugin had stopped responding and was using up most of the cpu.

OS X 10.4 PPC Safari 4.0.2

Bernard

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 5:57 AM, Alejandro Tejada<capellan2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Visit the following pages with 3 stacks saved for web:
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test01.html
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test02.html
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test03.html
>
> These pages will be available until Sunday.
>
> Have a nice weekend!
>
> al
>
> ?Visit my site:
> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/
>
>
>
>
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From R.Venzl-Schubert at macbay.de  Sat Aug  1 02:55:04 2009
From: R.Venzl-Schubert at macbay.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 08:55:04 +0200
Subject: Is there a comfortable way the print scripts?
Message-ID: <322248AB-4C7F-41E5-BE7B-078B7E947F73@macbay.de>

Hi!

I like the study my script comfortable in the arm chair.
When I print it directly with Rev, I need a lot of paper.
Therefore I copy it into a texteditor and print it with two columns on  
a sheet.

Is there any economical way in Rev?

Thanks
Reinhold


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Aug  1 03:07:46 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:07:46 -0700
Subject: Is there a comfortable way the print scripts?
In-Reply-To: <322248AB-4C7F-41E5-BE7B-078B7E947F73@macbay.de>
References: <322248AB-4C7F-41E5-BE7B-078B7E947F73@macbay.de>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908010007y19504874y9645b51a22a81761@mail.gmail.com>

You could write a script to print it in columns, but .... wouldn't
your code wrap in the columns?  Seems like that would be harder to
read.

My advice:
Get a bigger screen and don't print it out at all!   save a tree.


Sometimes I print out a few lines I need to notate but I think most of
us try to keep the paper waste down if possible.

sorry if this sounds arrogant.
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com



2009/7/31 Reinhold Venzl-Schubert <R.Venzl-Schubert at macbay.de>:
> Hi!
>
> I like the study my script comfortable in the arm chair.
> When I print it directly with Rev, I need a lot of paper.
> Therefore I copy it into a texteditor and print it with two columns on a
> sheet.
>
> Is there any economical way in Rev?
>
> Thanks
> Reinhold
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  1 03:23:29 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 00:23:29 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E45039EC-DFAB-4823-96E3-692435EF352E@yahoo.com>

On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:57 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Hi all,
> Visit the following pages with 3 stacks saved for web:
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test01.html
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test02.html
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test03.html
>
> These pages will be available until Sunday.


Good stuff.
It is exciting to think that I will be getting into the world of On- 
Rev in the middle of August.
It will be boring data manipulation tools, but exciting to me.

Thanks,

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


From lists at futilism.com  Sat Aug  1 03:49:15 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 08:49:15 +0100
Subject: Decrypt problem
In-Reply-To: <24766119.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <24766119.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C2036D99-E8C1-4C02-BB4C-3B606BE213F8@futilism.com>

Steve, you need to specify whether the key is a "password" or a "key"

encrypt myRawData using blowfish with key (theKey)
or
encrypt myRawData using blowfish with password (theKey)

The main difference, as I understand it, is that if you use "key",  
then the key must be the exact length specified for the used cipher  
(128 bits, for blowfish), so you probably want to use "password".

The same goes for the decryption as well.

Best,

Mark Smith

On 1 Aug 2009, at 06:06, stevex64 wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I have .csv files that I encrypt with one little app that only  
> encrypts. It
> appears to encrypt with no problem. The key is hard-coded in the app.
>
> I have another app that needs to decrypt the .csv files. I have the  
> same key
> hard-coded into this app. But when it tries to decrypt, it gets  
> this error:
>
> error:0606506D:digital envelope routines:EVP_DecryptFinal:wrong  
> final block
> length
>
> The encrypt code is like this:
>
>  put "a1b2c3d4e5f6" into theKey
>    encrypt myRawData using blowfish with (theKey)
>    put the result into rslt
>    if rslt is not empty then
>       beep
>       answer error rslt
>    else
>       put it into mySafeData
>    end if
>
> and the decrypt code like this:
>
> put "a1b2c3d4e5f6" into myK
> decrypt fld "fldDataT" of grp "backgroundItems" of card startCard  
> using
> "blowfish" with (myK)
> put the result into rslt
> if rslt is not empty then
>    beep
>    answer error rslt
> else
>    put it into  fld "fldDataT" of grp "backgroundItems" of card  
> startCard
> end if
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
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> tp24766119p24766119.html
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Aug  1 04:08:29 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 01:08:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web
 server
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0907311641080.20443@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <7c87a2a10907301213u30fb0cfeo7b881c507b96506b@mail.gmail.com>
	<24751685.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0907311536170.20093@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<e5e009d70907311620v5755d74xf61b5c80cbf8e690@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0907311641080.20443@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <24767061.post@talk.nabble.com>


No, by all means warn them, but the warning should be something like, the
project leader has been having problems for a while.  The team has finally
come to the point of action and is acting to get the situation resolved and
take things forward - probably in the end without him.  Something to be
aware of, but no real reason to change a decision to go CentOS.  They really
ought to have acted earlier, but now they have finally done something, this
is all going to be over very quickly.  This is basically good news for the
project.  Though obviously its a pity on a personal level.

Judy Perry wrote:
> 
> Are you saying that you wouldn't want to be warned?
> 
> 

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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 05:26:22 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 10:26:22 +0100
Subject: [OT] Is there a future for CentOS or systems to run on your web
	server
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0907311536170.20093@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <7c87a2a10907301213u30fb0cfeo7b881c507b96506b@mail.gmail.com>
	<24751685.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0907311536170.20093@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908010226m57f9e755nf6ac7b9e6dcb16d7@mail.gmail.com>

It is _the_ primary strength of free software solutions (in the strict
GPL/LGPL sense) that one is not at a dead end if a project has only
one primary developer and that person no longer continues development.
 One has access to the source code and can continue development.  If
the source of a product is not available then it is not open source.
If one doesn't have the skills to continue development oneself, that
is another matter.

I have recently started looking at an open source project that had no
development for three years.   The guy who worked on it intensively
for the preceding 5 years no longer has the time.  However, his work
is not wasted, and the project may yet live again.  I can certainly
make use of it as it is, and have already identified and fixed some
bugs myself.  If it meets my needs and I feel confident of my ability
to push it forward as a project, then I can either be granted write
access to the code repository, or I can fork it.  I already have all
the source code from subversion.

This morning I downloaded another LGPL project, and it too came with
all the source code without me even going looking for it.  In fact, I
use several free software projects where there are few developers
and/or limited development, but it doesn't give me any cause for
concern.  When I decide a project is one that I may well be depending
on, I make sure I download a copy of the source code.  It's my
dependency on proprietary tools that gives me cause for concern.

I doubt many of use who use Rev would have the skills to continue the
development of the engine in the event that RunRev ceased development.
 But that is immaterial since the code is not open anyway.  Our
dependency on RunRev is far greater than the dependency of those who
are using CentOS.

This is not a criticism of RunRev.  They have to adopt whichever
policies suit their business plan.  But it's one reason why I have
kept up with software assurance for Revolution, even in the years when
I haven't used Revolution.

I'm not saying that I would be able to fork CentOS :-)  And I strongly
believe that anyone who depends on complex server configurations
should be using something like cfengine or puppet.  Configuration
management tools such as those would certainly make the migration
between different server providers easier.

Bernard.

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Judy Perry<jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:
> Our department has been using CentOS (which is what I'm logged into at the
> moment) for our departmental server for at least a year now with no problems
> that I've heard of.
>
> The news about the head going Away WithOut Leave is disconcerting, as my
> neighbor's employer, a pretty good sized monthly membership services
> company, is probably going to be switching over to Cent OS... ?better warn
> her I guess.
>
> Judy


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 07:43:47 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:43:47 +0100
Subject: Command-line screen recorder for Mac and PC?
In-Reply-To: <4A7383E2.3090501@together.net>
References: <831169.37909.qm@web111409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<e5e009d70907301700k736233f8ya1b2370af0b03d54@mail.gmail.com>
	<24757540.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<B192B2B0-B2DC-4003-B65E-C6363989994C@me.com>
	<4A730C31.3010104@together.net>
	<4F7569CA-9DC5-4A50-87FF-72ED98BC888D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4A7383E2.3090501@together.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908010443x43f937e3ua3e9c6ae502c469c@mail.gmail.com>

VLC is cross platform, and (very) controllable via the command line. It has
screen grabbing functionality, which though pretty recent works OK and is
likely to get much better over time. You can even stream the live screen
grabs. I'll be working on this over the coming months for a project in
London - so keep us in touch :)

2009/8/1 Richard Miller <wow at together.net>

> Hi Mark,
>
> So is this basically a matter of taking repeated screen shots through Rev
> and piecing these together into a movie through the EQT functions? I suppose
> one can then overlay an audio track as well. Is that the basic game plan?
>
> Thanks.
> Richard


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Aug  1 07:47:43 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 06:47:43 -0500
Subject: Simple Socket Saga
In-Reply-To: <4A7370A4.5000608@pdslabs.net>
References: <4A730E65.40302@crcom.net>	<4A732827.2000301@pdslabs.net>	<29135.64.40.211.158.1249061701.squirrel@auth2.crcom.net>	<4A73418A.9030108@pdslabs.net>	<29339.64.40.211.158.1249071139.squirrel@auth2.crcom.net>
	<4A7370A4.5000608@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <4A742B5F.2060501@crcom.net>

Phil,

We may need to get a ruling from the judges on this one!  After seeing 
the statement you quoted in isolation, it seems it could be possible to 
have a button who's mouseUp handler calls a handler in a library stack 
that has the actual accept command.  In that case, the button is the 
target but the library stack actually contains the accept command.

Your idea of putting the accept further down in the message path is what 
I wanted to do but the documentation seemed to indicate this was not 
possible.

Can we get a ruling and clarification of the docs on this point from 
some of the more experienced members with socket experience?

len

Phil Davis wrote:
> len-morgan at crcom.net wrote:
>> Actually, I think the opposite is true: If the callback script is NOT in
>> the button script, it won't ever fire.  At least that's the way I 
>> read the
>> docs.
>>   
>
> My bad - you're right. That was my habit speaking.  ;-)  I habitually 
> place callback handlers further down the message path from the object 
> whose script opened the connection. But the docs say:
>
>    The callbackMessage is sent to the object whose script contains the
>    accept command.
>
> Thanks -
> Phil Davis
>
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From david at architex.tv  Sat Aug  1 08:35:31 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:35:31 +0100
Subject: Command-line screen recorder for Mac and PC?
In-Reply-To: <4F7569CA-9DC5-4A50-87FF-72ED98BC888D@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <831169.37909.qm@web111409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<e5e009d70907301700k736233f8ya1b2370af0b03d54@mail.gmail.com>
	<24757540.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<B192B2B0-B2DC-4003-B65E-C6363989994C@me.com>
	<4A730C31.3010104@together.net>
	<4F7569CA-9DC5-4A50-87FF-72ED98BC888D@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908010535x5de818dcp702098e48d2e65b7@mail.gmail.com>

Mark, your post prompted me to look at the technique you are using for a
project where I need to create slide shows from images. The aim is to create
a QuickTime movie or FLV, with the stills simply extended in time so as not
to render large files slowly. The images need to have varied time durations,
not just one frame, and file size ought to be proportional to the number of
images, not to the duration of the movie. Previously I've done this as a Rev
app, or using SMIL - this time I want files that can be taken into a video
editor.

Taking a look at Trevor's fab Extended QuickTime external I see the only way
to bring video in is using copy & paste. So does that mean that you put
import the image as a binary, put it onto the clipboard and then use qtPaste
to add the image to a given time? I'm also not clear how to extend the
duration of a track / stretch the duration of a segment - other than by
repeatedly copy / pasting - which for an image is only one frame?

I found this command line tool
(QTSuperImageSequencer<http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/QTSuperImageSequencer.shtml>),
written in Java which does what I want (I've not full tested it), but was
wandering if it were possible to achieve the same thing using Rev and EQT?
Similar to EQT all the heavy work is done by QuickTime - the source is open
and short.

2009/7/31 Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>

> Hi Richard,
>
> Revolution can do this by itself. A good example is Snapper Screen
> Recorder, which you can find at <http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com>. This
> application uses the EnhancedQ external. Particularly on Mac OS X, I'm
> getting great results. Windows is a different story, but I hope to improve
> that too. You can find an example (without sound) here: <
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu4Mk04D-GA>. Unregistered copies can make
> one movie per session, which means that you can try it to test Revolution's
> performance.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Submit your software products to http://www.quickestpublisher.com and get
> found!
>
> If you sent me an e-mail before 8th July and haven't got a reply yet,
> please send me a reminder.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 31 jul 2009, at 17:22, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>  Anyone know of screen recorder software that is both PC and Mac compatible
>> and can be driven from Rev by command line? I want to be able to record
>> separate audio and video sequences that are playing simultaneously in a Rev
>> application and store the single new recording to an avi (or other Quicktime
>> compatible) file.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
>>
>
>
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From stevex64 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  1 09:35:04 2009
From: stevex64 at yahoo.com (stevex64)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 06:35:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Decrypt problem
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0907312320r1d34965anc2b9b67099ef6684@mail.gmail.com>
References: <24766119.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b0907312320r1d34965anc2b9b67099ef6684@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24769148.post@talk.nabble.com>


Yes, both apps run on the same machine as I'm developing them. Eventually
they will be running on different machines, though.


Bernard Devlin-2 wrote:
> 
> Are you running both apps on the same machine?
> 
> Bernard
> 
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:06 AM, stevex64<stevex64 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have .csv files that I encrypt with one little app that only encrypts.
>> It
>> appears to encrypt with no problem. The key is hard-coded in the app.
>>
>> I have another app that needs to decrypt the .csv files. I have the same
>> key
>> hard-coded into this app. But when it tries to decrypt, it gets this
>> error:
>>
>> error:0606506D:digital envelope routines:EVP_DecryptFinal:wrong final
>> block
>> length
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 10:29:20 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 15:29:20 +0100
Subject: Decrypt problem
In-Reply-To: <24769148.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <24766119.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b0907312320r1d34965anc2b9b67099ef6684@mail.gmail.com>
	<24769148.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908010729p2bacdd3fnc6c1c5df6e8c4082@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps the ssl library was not included with the decrypt app when it was built?

Bernard

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:35 PM, stevex64<stevex64 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, both apps run on the same machine as I'm developing them. Eventually
> they will be running on different machines, though.


From rman at free.fr  Sat Aug  1 10:38:37 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert M.)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 07:38:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] Watch a video about a whole new approach to script editing
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70907280853h1964318fh59d546f5a262cf83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41D4B198-7FB1-4498-BC12-E33C4FB7F725@me.com>
	<24698086.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<e5e009d70907280853h1964318fh59d546f5a262cf83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24769678.post@talk.nabble.com>


thanks for your synthetic view. I must say .. i'm a bit.. shaken lately.. I
ran into big troubles trying to use my GLX editor while getting my hands on
datagrid programming.. : they do not seem to be compatible with each other.. 
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From stevex64 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  1 10:43:18 2009
From: stevex64 at yahoo.com (stevex64)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 07:43:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Decrypt problem
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0908010729p2bacdd3fnc6c1c5df6e8c4082@mail.gmail.com>
References: <24766119.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b0907312320r1d34965anc2b9b67099ef6684@mail.gmail.com>
	<24769148.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908010729p2bacdd3fnc6c1c5df6e8c4082@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24769717.post@talk.nabble.com>


These errors are happening in the rev IDE, not an .exe.

And I assume, maybe incorrectly, that if the library wasn't available, that
error wouldn't be returned, as it seems the error is coming from the ssl
library. 


Perhaps the ssl library was not included with the decrypt app when it was
built?

Bernard

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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Aug  1 11:07:31 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 17:07:31 +0200
Subject: [Data Grid] can't create a new data grid
Message-ID: <EBE99A22-8052-4549-8D5D-A9849CD70AE2@inria.fr>

Bonjour,
I have a list field "lesCmdes"  (tab separated items in each line).

I would like to replace it with a data grid "theCmds"

Then, I drag a data grid from the palette tool
and from a button I lauch the following script in order to populate  
grp "theCmds":

set the dgText of grp "theCmds" to fld "lesCmdes"

OK ! the grid is populated !

BUT as soon as I try to change the names of the columns in the  
inspector, I get errors such as
-------------
Chunk: can't find background
Hint :	Chunk: can't find object
Error at	char 29 of line 3321 in handler _table.CreateControlsForColumns
Code:	29
----------
or :
"An error has occured in behavior for the column template
Chunk: can't find background (with OK or Edit script).

Sometimes the new name of a column is accepted (also, the setting of  
its width, sorting type etc)
but then if for example I try to sort a column I got errors such as :

"An error has occured in behavior for the column template
Chunk : error in object expression" (If I choose "edit script", I get  
the script of btn "Data grid" of grp behavior etc.)

It is the first time I am stuck like this when simply creating a data  
grid ! (no problem ususally)

Am I missing something ? or doing something wrong ?

Help ;-))

Thanks a lot in advance


Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Aug  1 12:00:23 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:00:23 -0400
Subject: [Data Grid] can't create a new data grid
In-Reply-To: <EBE99A22-8052-4549-8D5D-A9849CD70AE2@inria.fr>
References: <EBE99A22-8052-4549-8D5D-A9849CD70AE2@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <E4893971-5772-42A4-BDAF-EB05B597A5D1@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:07 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

> ...
>
> OK ! the grid is populated !
>
> BUT as soon as I try to change the names of the columns in the  
> inspector, I get errors such as
> -------------
> Chunk: can't find background
> Hint :	Chunk: can't find object
> Error at	char 29 of line 3321 in handler  
> _table.CreateControlsForColumns
> Code:	29
> ----------
> ...

What are you naming the columns?

Regards,

-- 
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Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Aug  1 12:02:28 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:02:28 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Watch a video about a whole new approach to script editing
In-Reply-To: <24769678.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <41D4B198-7FB1-4498-BC12-E33C4FB7F725@me.com>
	<24698086.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<e5e009d70907280853h1964318fh59d546f5a262cf83@mail.gmail.com>
	<24769678.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <09A5EEF7-5E23-466B-A08C-4613582FCA5A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 1, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Robert M. wrote:

> thanks for your synthetic view. I must say .. i'm a bit.. shaken  
> lately.. I
> ran into big troubles trying to use my GLX editor while getting my  
> hands on
> datagrid programming.. : they do not seem to be compatible with each  
> other..

What sorts of problems were you running into with GLX2 and the data  
grid?

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Aug  1 12:06:11 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 11:06:11 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Watch a video about a whole new approach to script editing
In-Reply-To: <24769678.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <41D4B198-7FB1-4498-BC12-E33C4FB7F725@me.com>
	<24698086.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<e5e009d70907280853h1964318fh59d546f5a262cf83@mail.gmail.com>
	<24769678.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C111F5EB-9620-4102-8EFE-8C572CC56C17@me.com>

Robert,

Earlier this summer I did a good-sized project with three datagrids  
using GLX2 and didn't encounter any problems to speak of. I'm curious  
where you ran into big troubles. Maybe I wasn't doing as much with the  
datagrids as you were.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 1, 2009, at 9:38 AM, Robert M. wrote:

>
> thanks for your synthetic view. I must say .. i'm a bit.. shaken  
> lately.. I
> ran into big troubles trying to use my GLX editor while getting my  
> hands on
> datagrid programming.. : they do not seem to be compatible with each  
> other..
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From wow at together.net  Sat Aug  1 12:10:44 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:10:44 -0400
Subject: Command-line screen recorder for Mac and PC?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0908010535x5de818dcp702098e48d2e65b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <831169.37909.qm@web111409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<e5e009d70907301700k736233f8ya1b2370af0b03d54@mail.gmail.com>	<24757540.post@talk.nabble.com>	<B192B2B0-B2DC-4003-B65E-C6363989994C@me.com>	<4A730C31.3010104@together.net>	<4F7569CA-9DC5-4A50-87FF-72ED98BC888D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<c1c5836b0908010535x5de818dcp702098e48d2e65b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A746904.6080103@together.net>

David,

I'm assuming this is the way it would work (using the clipboard and 
qtPaste), based on the available EQT commands. I'll be testing it on 
Monday. I thought if one pasted an image at a given time, the image 
would remain visible in the movie for x period of time until it was 
replaced by another. Maybe not.

Richard





David Bovill wrote:
> Mark, your post prompted me to look at the technique you are using for a
> project where I need to create slide shows from images. The aim is to create
> a QuickTime movie or FLV, with the stills simply extended in time so as not
> to render large files slowly. The images need to have varied time durations,
> not just one frame, and file size ought to be proportional to the number of
> images, not to the duration of the movie. Previously I've done this as a Rev
> app, or using SMIL - this time I want files that can be taken into a video
> editor.
>
> Taking a look at Trevor's fab Extended QuickTime external I see the only way
> to bring video in is using copy & paste. So does that mean that you put
> import the image as a binary, put it onto the clipboard and then use qtPaste
> to add the image to a given time? I'm also not clear how to extend the
> duration of a track / stretch the duration of a segment - other than by
> repeatedly copy / pasting - which for an image is only one frame?
>
> I found this command line tool
> (QTSuperImageSequencer<http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/QTSuperImageSequencer.shtml>),
> written in Java which does what I want (I've not full tested it), but was
> wandering if it were possible to achieve the same thing using Rev and EQT?
> Similar to EQT all the heavy work is done by QuickTime - the source is open
> and short.
>
> 2009/7/31 Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
>
>   
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Revolution can do this by itself. A good example is Snapper Screen
>> Recorder, which you can find at <http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com>. This
>> application uses the EnhancedQ external. Particularly on Mac OS X, I'm
>> getting great results. Windows is a different story, but I hope to improve
>> that too. You can find an example (without sound) here: <
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu4Mk04D-GA>. Unregistered copies can make
>> one movie per session, which means that you can try it to test Revolution's
>> performance.
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
>> http://economy-x-talk.com
>>
>> Submit your software products to http://www.quickestpublisher.com and get
>> found!
>>
>> If you sent me an e-mail before 8th July and haven't got a reply yet,
>> please send me a reminder.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 jul 2009, at 17:22, Richard Miller wrote:
>>
>>  Anyone know of screen recorder software that is both PC and Mac compatible
>>     
>>> and can be driven from Rev by command line? I want to be able to record
>>> separate audio and video sequences that are playing simultaneously in a Rev
>>> application and store the single new recording to an avi (or other Quicktime
>>> compatible) file.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Richard Miller
>>>
>>>       
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From wow at together.net  Sat Aug  1 12:14:42 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 12:14:42 -0400
Subject: Command-line screen recorder for Mac and PC?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0908010443x43f937e3ua3e9c6ae502c469c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <831169.37909.qm@web111409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<e5e009d70907301700k736233f8ya1b2370af0b03d54@mail.gmail.com>	<24757540.post@talk.nabble.com>	<B192B2B0-B2DC-4003-B65E-C6363989994C@me.com>	<4A730C31.3010104@together.net>	<4F7569CA-9DC5-4A50-87FF-72ED98BC888D@economy-x-talk.com>	<4A7383E2.3090501@together.net>
	<c1c5836b0908010443x43f937e3ua3e9c6ae502c469c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7469F2.5000500@together.net>

David,

VLC looks interesting, in terms of having Rev gather whatever is 
happening on the screen and turning it into a movie. But is it practical 
to have the core VLC application (and associated files, whatever they 
may be) installed on the users computer, along with a Rev app? The VLC 
download is 17 MB, but perhaps that includes many files not needed to 
actually run the commands in command-line mode.

Richard




David Bovill wrote:
> VLC is cross platform, and (very) controllable via the command line. It has
> screen grabbing functionality, which though pretty recent works OK and is
> likely to get much better over time. You can even stream the live screen
> grabs. I'll be working on this over the coming months for a project in
> London - so keep us in touch :)
>
> 2009/8/1 Richard Miller <wow at together.net>
>
>   
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> So is this basically a matter of taking repeated screen shots through Rev
>> and piecing these together into a movie through the EQT functions? I suppose
>> one can then overlay an audio track as well. Is that the basic game plan?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard
>>     
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From coiin at rcn.com  Sat Aug  1 12:20:24 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 12:20:24 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA2A5ACE-A8F7-4F7C-AFF4-5E8CFBB41B86@rcn.com>


On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:57 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> http://aulasdigitales.net/test01.html
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test02.html
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test03.html

The third link leads to having to force quit Safari, but that may have  
been to do with threads still running from the first two links.

I have no idea what the other two links do, because I'm not going to  
allow permission for the stacks to write files to my hard drive.

From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Aug  1 12:27:13 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:27:13 +0200
Subject: [Data Grid] can't create a new data grid
In-Reply-To: <E4893971-5772-42A4-BDAF-EB05B597A5D1@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <EBE99A22-8052-4549-8D5D-A9849CD70AE2@inria.fr>
	<E4893971-5772-42A4-BDAF-EB05B597A5D1@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <D0C62641-ED17-47F4-81DC-85586BCAB811@inria.fr>


Le 1 ao?t 09 ? 18:00, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> On Aug 1, 2009, at 11:07 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:
>
>> ...
>>
>> OK ! the grid is populated !
>>
>> BUT as soon as I try to change the names of the columns in the  
>> inspector, I get errors such as
>> -------------
>> Chunk: can't find background
>> Hint :	Chunk: can't find object
>> Error at	char 29 of line 3321 in handler  
>> _table.CreateControlsForColumns
>> Code:	29
>> ----------
>> ...

Thanks for your prompt answer
>
> What are you naming the columns?
>
Nom / 09 / 08 / 07 / 06 (they are columns for years)
I tried A 09 / A 08 without success

Andr?



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug  1 12:41:54 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:41:54 -0500
Subject: Revlet default folder
In-Reply-To: <20090729235739.C484848A87A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090729235739.C484848A87A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4A747052.4040909@hyperactivesw.com>

Kevin Stallibrass wrote:
> I have saved one of my rev programs for the web. The program stores some
> preferences in a .txt file in the default folder next to the app. When
> saving for the web and putting the revlet on my webserver, the app still
> works correctly but I've noticed that the default folder now becomes the
> desktop storing the .txt file there. 

This seems to be a Windows thing. On Mac OS X the defaultfolder is:

  ~/Library/Application Support/RunRev/revWebPlayer


-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug  1 12:55:40 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 11:55:40 -0500
Subject: Revlet default folder
In-Reply-To: <20090729235739.C484848A87A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090729235739.C484848A87A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4A74738C.1030208@hyperactivesw.com>

Kevin Stallibrass wrote:
> I feel that a better place for the default folder is the
> temporary internet files folder so that when this folder is emptied via the
> web browser, my files will be removed at the same time.
> 
> Trouble is, I've no idea of a global path I could use which would work on
> all supported browsers/OS's  - is there one?

Forgot to answer this. The Rev function specialFolderPath("temporary") 
will return what you want in both standalones and Revlets. On OS X it is:

	/Users/<user>/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems

On Windows XP:

	C:/Documents and Settings/<user>/Local Settings/Temp

Or if you want a file name rather than a folder, use the tempName() 
function. It returns a path and a guaranteed unique file name for a 
temporary file. The actual file name will vary depending on the OS, the 
files already in the temp folder, and some other things, but it will 
always point to the OS-approved location with a unique name tacked on. 
On my machine, in OS X, I get:

/private/var/folders/lK/lKqfANrEKa6m7q-jKrtU++TI/TemporaryItems/tmp0

And on WinXP:

C:/Documents and Settings/<user>/Local Settings/Temp/tmp2

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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 13:00:32 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:00:32 +0100
Subject: Decrypt problem
In-Reply-To: <24769717.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <24766119.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b0907312320r1d34965anc2b9b67099ef6684@mail.gmail.com>
	<24769148.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908010729p2bacdd3fnc6c1c5df6e8c4082@mail.gmail.com>
	<24769717.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908011000v22daccc8o81fdebc9df211b38@mail.gmail.com>

I no longer have a license for Rev Enterprise (only Studio), so I
can't check what the cipherNames returns.  However using 'man enc' on
OS X, it does not look like openssl has a ciphername of "blowfish" per
se.  The supported ciphers in openssl that are based on blowfish have
names like:

        bf-cfb             Blowfish in CFB mode
        bf-ecb             Blowfish in ECB mode
        bf-ofb             Blowfish in OFB mode

Maybe that is the problem.  You could try using a different cipher name.

Alternatively, in the code snippets you give, you refer to the
ciphername in the first instance without quotation marks (thus as a
variable name rather than a string).  Depending on how your variables
are declared, the contents of the variable blowfish could be
"blowfish" or empty.

Finally, it may be an ambiguation problem around your field reference.
 You could try getting hold of the field's contents in a variable,
then apply decrypt to the variable.

I dug out my notes on decryption in Rev and it worked like this:

   decrypt tText using "aes-128-cbc" with password "blahblah"

Bernard

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 3:43 PM, stevex64<stevex64 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> These errors are happening in the rev IDE, not an .exe.
>
> And I assume, maybe incorrectly, that if the library wasn't available, that
> error wouldn't be returned, as it seems the error is coming from the ssl
> library.


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Aug  1 13:43:48 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 19:43:48 +0200
Subject: start using...
Message-ID: <E1C289F8-999F-4E34-83C1-700E5D7926AD@skynet.be>

Hi list


I want to use the following script

start using stack "xxx" on a server with a revlet

how can I get the directory of a stack on a server ?

the stack is in the same folder (dir) as the revlet on the server

thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Aug  1 13:58:10 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:58:10 -0400
Subject: [Data Grid] can't create a new data grid
In-Reply-To: <D0C62641-ED17-47F4-81DC-85586BCAB811@inria.fr>
References: <EBE99A22-8052-4549-8D5D-A9849CD70AE2@inria.fr>
	<E4893971-5772-42A4-BDAF-EB05B597A5D1@mangomultimedia.com>
	<D0C62641-ED17-47F4-81DC-85586BCAB811@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <9DEA3072-6504-48B4-80A4-E2EEF8DDCA8B@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

> Thanks for your prompt answer
>>
>> What are you naming the columns?
>>
> Nom / 09 / 08 / 07 / 06 (they are columns for years)
> I tried A 09 / A 08 without success

I tried Nom and 09 and an error occurred.

I then tried Nom and "A 09" and everything worked as expected.

The data grid does not like numbers for column names. When you use an  
integer as a column name the data grid code doesn't get the group  
named "09" but rather group 9. This is how the engine interprets the  
data grid code. This causes all sorts of problems. I've filed a  
request to have the inspector not allow integers as names in the future.

What you should do is use string names for the columns and then set  
the label of the column to the integer value. That works without any  
problems.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug  1 14:20:46 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:20:46 -0500
Subject: Is there a comfortable way the print scripts?
In-Reply-To: <322248AB-4C7F-41E5-BE7B-078B7E947F73@macbay.de>
References: <322248AB-4C7F-41E5-BE7B-078B7E947F73@macbay.de>
Message-ID: <4A74877E.5040209@hyperactivesw.com>

Reinhold Venzl-Schubert wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I like the study my script comfortable in the arm chair.
> When I print it directly with Rev, I need a lot of paper.
> Therefore I copy it into a texteditor and print it with two columns on a 
> sheet.
> 
> Is there any economical way in Rev?

You can create a printing template stack that will do it, though it will 
take some work. Put two fields on the template card, one for each of the 
columns. Put your script text into both of the column fields, then use 
the pageHeights function (for either field, they will be the same) to 
find out how many pages it will take. Your actual printout will take 
half as many pages, since you will move every other "page" to the second 
column.

Once you know the pageheights, write a loop that sets the scroll of the 
first field to the first line of the pageheights, and sets the scroll of 
the second field to the second line of the pageheights. Print the card. 
Then repeat, setting the first field's scroll to the third line of the 
pageheights and the second field's scroll to the fourth line. Continue 
doing that until all the text is printed.

There is more info on printing scrolling fields in the User Guide on 
page 306: 9.8.3 Working with Scrolling Fields when Layout Printing.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Aug  1 14:38:10 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:38:10 +0200
Subject: [Data Grid] can't create a new data grid
In-Reply-To: <9DEA3072-6504-48B4-80A4-E2EEF8DDCA8B@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <EBE99A22-8052-4549-8D5D-A9849CD70AE2@inria.fr>
	<E4893971-5772-42A4-BDAF-EB05B597A5D1@mangomultimedia.com>
	<D0C62641-ED17-47F4-81DC-85586BCAB811@inria.fr>
	<9DEA3072-6504-48B4-80A4-E2EEF8DDCA8B@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <D05AF1F2-3785-40DB-9658-C3F783BE8899@inria.fr>


Le 1 ao?t 09 ? 19:58, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:27 PM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:
>
>> Thanks for your prompt answer
>>>
>>> What are you naming the columns?
>>>
>> Nom / 09 / 08 / 07 / 06 (they are columns for years)
>> I tried A 09 / A 08 without success
>
> I tried Nom and 09 and an error occurred.
>
> I then tried Nom and "A 09" and everything worked as expected.
Yes your are right  (I suppose I had kept an integer inadvertently for  
at least one column when I tried this pattern before)
>
> The data grid does not like numbers for column names. When you use  
> an integer as a column name the data grid code doesn't get the group  
> named "09" but rather group 9. This is how the engine interprets the  
> data grid code. This causes all sorts of problems. I've filed a  
> request to have the inspector not allow integers as names in the  
> future.
>
> What you should do is use string names for the columns and then set  
> the label of the column to the integer value. That works without any  
> problems.
>
OK that solve my problem.  I have just set the names and label  
according to your advice (name : neuf ; label 09 etc ;  and all is  
working nicely, now :-))

Thanks a lot Trevor for your help (fast and precise as usual ;-)

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Aug  1 16:34:54 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 13:34:54 -0700
Subject: Simple Socket Saga
In-Reply-To: <4A742B5F.2060501@crcom.net>
References: <4A730E65.40302@crcom.net>	<4A732827.2000301@pdslabs.net>	<29135.64.40.211.158.1249061701.squirrel@auth2.crcom.net>	<4A73418A.9030108@pdslabs.net>	<29339.64.40.211.158.1249071139.squirrel@auth2.crcom.net>	<4A7370A4.5000608@pdslabs.net>
	<4A742B5F.2060501@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <4A74A6EE.4070407@pdslabs.net>

Len Morgan wrote:
> Phil,
>
> We may need to get a ruling from the judges on this one!  After seeing 
> the statement you quoted in isolation, it seems it could be possible 
> to have a button who's mouseUp handler calls a handler in a library 
> stack that has the actual accept command.  In that case, the button is 
> the target but the library stack actually contains the accept command.

That's the Rev message path in action. In the case you describe, I'm not 
sure where the callback handler would have to be; but in my world I 
would probably put it in the same library script that contains the 
handler with the "accept" command.

> Your idea of putting the accept further down in the message path is 
> what I wanted to do but the documentation seemed to indicate this was 
> not possible.

Try it, my friend! The worst that can happen is that it won't work.

> Can we get a ruling and clarification of the docs on this point from 
> some of the more experienced members with socket experience?
>
> len

A simple test should give the desired clarification. Then you can be the 
expert!  ;-)

FWIW, I once implemented a sockets interface to a special hardware 
device as a Rev library that goes in and out of use depending on user 
choices. That's my biggest sockets exploit.

Since the message path is such a fundamental part of the Rev world, I 
would think the Rev docs would say something if a command or function 
DOESN'T work with the message path as expected. But I'm not aware of any 
such instances.

Phil


> Phil Davis wrote:
>> len-morgan at crcom.net wrote:
>>> Actually, I think the opposite is true: If the callback script is 
>>> NOT in
>>> the button script, it won't ever fire.  At least that's the way I 
>>> read the
>>> docs.
>>>   
>>
>> My bad - you're right. That was my habit speaking.  ;-)  I habitually 
>> place callback handlers further down the message path from the object 
>> whose script opened the connection. But the docs say:
>>
>>    The callbackMessage is sent to the object whose script contains the
>>    accept command.
>>
>> Thanks -
>> Phil Davis 


From klists at sites.kerflooey.com  Sat Aug  1 16:51:06 2009
From: klists at sites.kerflooey.com (klists)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 13:51:06 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BB441379-A00B-486C-95EC-613F63D9B384@sites.kerflooey.com>

I saw no instructions. Typing "mogie.pdf" in the text area and  
clicking the Export button appears to do nothing but lock up Safari.  
Hard.

Not pleasant.

OS X 10.5.7, Safari 3.2.3.

k
On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:57 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>
>
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test01.html




From infinite00 at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug  1 18:52:00 2009
From: infinite00 at embarqmail.com (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:52:00 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <81617D2F-BFCD-48AE-8866-FC6A944C3603@embarqmail.com>

Al,

For "test01" what is supposed to happen when I click the "export"  
button? it would be helpful to modify the test page with some  
instructions. When nothing happens after a while, I try to close the  
Safari window and I get the infinite beachball until I force quit.

Regards,

Bruce Pokras
Blazing Dawn Software
www.blazingdawn.com

On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:57 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Visit the following pages with 3 stacks saved for web:
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test01.html
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test02.html
> http://aulasdigitales.net/test03.html
>
> These pages will be available until Sunday.
>
> Have a nice weekend!
>
> al
>
>  Visit my site:
> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/
>
>
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From infinite00 at embarqmail.com  Sat Aug  1 18:57:23 2009
From: infinite00 at embarqmail.com (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 18:57:23 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <81617D2F-BFCD-48AE-8866-FC6A944C3603@embarqmail.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<81617D2F-BFCD-48AE-8866-FC6A944C3603@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA8E9B0D-7F29-4182-B208-C7595D316C79@embarqmail.com>

Al,

After I quit Safari, what should I find but a "save" dialog with  
which to save the exported PDF! So you need to find a way for the  
save dialog to pop above rather than pop under the Safari window that  
is displaying your revLet. Otherwise, it looks like nothing is  
happening.

Regards,

Bruce

On Aug 1, 2009, at 6:52 PM, Bruce Pokras wrote:

> Al,
>
> For "test01" what is supposed to happen when I click the "export"  
> button? it would be helpful to modify the test page with some  
> instructions. When nothing happens after a while, I try to close  
> the Safari window and I get the infinite beachball until I force quit.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bruce Pokras
> Blazing Dawn Software
> www.blazingdawn.com
>
> On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:57 AM, Alejandro Tejada wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Visit the following pages with 3 stacks saved for web:
>> http://aulasdigitales.net/test01.html
>> http://aulasdigitales.net/test02.html
>> http://aulasdigitales.net/test03.html
>>
>> These pages will be available until Sunday.
>>
>> Have a nice weekend!
>>
>> al
>>
>>  Visit my site:
>> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Aug  1 20:36:00 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:36:00 +1000
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <FA8E9B0D-7F29-4182-B208-C7595D316C79@embarqmail.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<81617D2F-BFCD-48AE-8866-FC6A944C3603@embarqmail.com>
	<FA8E9B0D-7F29-4182-B208-C7595D316C79@embarqmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908011736n566da334if6c5a0f374529129@mail.gmail.com>

> After I quit Safari, what should I find but a "save" dialog with which to
> save the exported PDF! So you need to find a way for the save dialog to pop
> above rather than pop under the Safari window that is displaying your
> revLet. Otherwise, it looks like nothing is happening.

Not Al's fault. This is a known issue with the plugin which the RunRev
people are working on.
They have put in a hack to make answer & ask dialogs work, but not the others.

Cheers,
Sarah


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  2 00:37:19 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 21:37:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
Message-ID: <883038.65748.qm@web111414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,


i have posted the revlets in this free webspace
from the webhosting company 000space.

http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test01.html
http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test02.html
http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test03.html

In this site, revlets?seem to work fine and i am planning to move
my stacks to this server, but if you have any problem
loading the revlets from this site, told me so.

Revlets test01 and test02 ask for permission to
use your disk, because they save or export 
a pdf, svg or adobe ilustrator file.
(currently, these plain simple svg files open
using Inkscape, not Firefox)

i understand that there are some issues with
handlers that require drag and drop, as Jim
Hurley noted in a previous message, so this
would explain the lock-up that you see in
Mac OS X. 

i use Windows XP, so could not check how problematic
is this in other platforms, but you could download the
stacks from my site and compare:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/exportVector_v03.zip
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/newPentoolScript_v02.zip
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/walkingman_2.zip

Have a nice weekend!

al

Visit my site:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/



      


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  2 02:51:24 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 23:51:24 -0700
Subject: Simple Socket Saga
In-Reply-To: <4A74A6EE.4070407@pdslabs.net>
References: <4A730E65.40302@crcom.net>	<4A732827.2000301@pdslabs.net>	<29135.64.40.211.158.1249061701.squirrel@auth2.crcom.net>	<4A73418A.9030108@pdslabs.net>	<29339.64.40.211.158.1249071139.squirrel@auth2.crcom.net>	<4A7370A4.5000608@pdslabs.net>
	<4A742B5F.2060501@crcom.net> <4A74A6EE.4070407@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <AE266CCB-1E0F-41D0-88B5-D2F583884558@yahoo.com>

Message path questions -> answers
>> Your idea of putting the accept further down in the message path is  
>> what I wanted to do but the documentation seemed to indicate this  
>> was not possible.
> Try it, my friend! The worst that can happen is that it won't work.
>

When doing investigation of the message path, try the following logic:
Create a handler.
Put the SAME handler in several script containers, such as stack,  
card, group, button, etc.

-------- steps to follow  --------------
-1- create a new stack
-2- add a button named "catchInButton"
-3- add a field named "catchInField"; lock this field
-4- select both the button and field;
then do 'group selected' from the Object menu
name this group "catchInGroup"

----copy and paste the script into the stack script ---
on catchThis
   put msg & cr & "Got my attention" && the short name of me into msg
   pass catchThis
end catchThis

----now use the message box to ....
set the script of this card to the script of this stack
set the script of group 1 to the script of this stack
set the script of button 1 to the script of this stack
set the script of field 1 to the script of this stack

now ADD this to two objects, the button and the locked field
on mouseUp
   put empty into msg
   send "catchThis" to me in 10 milliseconds
end mouseUp
-------

The test is to click on the button and the locked field and read the  
message box.

EXTRA points
What happens if you do the following two lines from the message box????

insert the script of group 1 into back
insert the script of group 1 into front

EXTRA points
insert the script of button 1 into front

Experts will understand the answers once they see them.
Try using this line instead for more details

  put msg & cr & "Got my attention" && the short name of me && the  
long id of me into msg



Hope this helps give someone a method to find message path answers  
quickly

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 04:57:04 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:57:04 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <CA2A5ACE-A8F7-4F7C-AFF4-5E8CFBB41B86@rcn.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CA2A5ACE-A8F7-4F7C-AFF4-5E8CFBB41B86@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908020157v311e8f8ctae6c0d9b621f7ff2@mail.gmail.com>

I understand your concern, Coliln.  What I did was to create a new
user with no admin rights, then log in as that user and download and
run the stacks within the plugin (fast user switching makes that so
easy).   Even if a stack contained the equivalent of 'rm -rf', such a
command would only affect that temporary user's directories.

I'd be interested to know, do you never download stacks from
revOnline?  Or if you download a stack from Richard Gaskin's or Sarah
Reichelt's website, would you type 'set the secureMode to true' before
you did that?

At some level I think we need to trust the other users on this list
(especially those like Alejandro who have been around a while).  In 7
years on this list I don't remember a single instance of someone
reporting that another user had distributed malicious code.

Maybe this is going to be a serious problem in distributing apps via
the plugin.  When someone downloads an app themselves, they
(generally) don't worry about what it might do to their system.  But
when the plugin presents a warning dialog like it currently does, it
might make people reluctant to let the code run, when they would have
had no worries about running an application they had downloaded
themselves.

I don't think Flash apps running in a plugin even have the possibility
to access the filesystem.  I think users may be alarmed by the warning
that the Rev plugin throws up, because it's not behaviour they're used
to seeing within their browser.

Bernard

On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 5:20 PM, Colin Holgate<coiin at rcn.com> wrote:
>
> I have no idea what the other two links do, because I'm not going to allow
> permission for the stacks to write files to my hard drive.


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 05:14:33 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:14:33 +0100
Subject: Command-line screen recorder for Mac and PC?
In-Reply-To: <4A7469F2.5000500@together.net>
References: <831169.37909.qm@web111409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<e5e009d70907301700k736233f8ya1b2370af0b03d54@mail.gmail.com>
	<24757540.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<B192B2B0-B2DC-4003-B65E-C6363989994C@me.com>
	<4A730C31.3010104@together.net>
	<4F7569CA-9DC5-4A50-87FF-72ED98BC888D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4A7383E2.3090501@together.net>
	<c1c5836b0908010443x43f937e3ua3e9c6ae502c469c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A7469F2.5000500@together.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908020214w8eaee8fh39eaf8f6e6a2a8a7@mail.gmail.com>

Practical? Yes. Acceptable - maybe not? That is a 17MB download is in the
days of Word-of-Warcraft Patches is nothing, and you "could" go to the
trouble of embedding the app and installing it from Rev. Given the regular
updates, ease of install, and general usefulness of VLC - it is really
better just to get the user to install it themselves with a provided link
from your app. Support issues are reduced that way.

Acceptable? Well it's not really "expected" - particularly if you charge for
the app - to make your app so "visibly" dependent on another app in this
way. So with regard to your customers, you have more of a marketing problem
than a practical one.

AFAIK - VLC on OSX is entirely contained in the bundle, The same may be true
for windows (the Linux version most probably places one or more executable
in the relevant bin directory). Generally it is a very clean install, but as
I haven't gone down the route of embedding it myself I'd have to say I don't
really know. There are no cleanly seperable command line components - it's
all part of the same thing. It is for these reasons bundling Mplayer, or
FFMPEG with your app is often preferred to using VLC. But it's only VLC that
you get everything with (including live streaming and screencasting) - for
which you pay the 17mb download price.

2009/8/1 Richard Miller <wow at together.net>


> But is it practical to have the core VLC application (and associated files,
> whatever they may be) installed on the users computer, along with a Rev app?
> The VLC download is 17 MB, but perhaps that includes many files not needed
> to actually run the commands in command-line mode.


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 05:20:26 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 10:20:26 +0100
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0907312325y1409f02et95b1ca986552f6ed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <24766175.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b0907312325y1409f02et95b1ca986552f6ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908020220k5494667l521b481fdc55ce4b@mail.gmail.com>

It's the browser that will do the https for the plugin - the plugin will
just need to pass any additional security requirements which AFAIK there
aren't any as https is basically and encrypted wrapper around a normal http
stream. My guess on this would be that there will be no major issues with
secure https issues and the plugin - it should just work?

2009/8/1 Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>

> During the webinar concerning Rev 4 I asked an unanswered question
> about SSL and the new rev plugin.  We were told these questions would
> make their way into a FAQ, but I haven't seen any further reference to
> these FAQs.  So what I'm saying here is just my deductions.
>
> On the belief that revMedia is being made free because it is this that
> is the basis for the browser plugin, I really don't see how any rev
> code running inside the plugin could access a URL using https (since
> SSL is an enterprise-only feature).
>
> So, it looks like one cannot expect an application built with
> Enterprise to necessarily work inside the plugin.


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  2 07:12:02 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 04:12:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0907312325y1409f02et95b1ca986552f6ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <559176.86495.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Think of the hassle that would logically accompany three different downloads for the three editions: revMedia (neither databases nor SSL), revStudio (databases but no SSL) and revEnterprise (databases and SSL).
It is far more likely that there is a single runtime for the browser plug-in, but the revlet can only do what is supported in the edition that you build it with.
The potential for business applications is huge, and it will be a lot easier to build than with Java applet/JNLP constructs.

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 11:25 PM
> During the webinar concerning Rev 4 I
> asked an unanswered question
> about SSL and the new rev plugin.? We were told these
> questions would
> make their way into a FAQ, but I haven't seen any further
> reference to
> these FAQs.? So what I'm saying here is just my
> deductions.
> 
> On the belief that revMedia is being made free because it
> is this that
> is the basis for the browser plugin, I really don't see how
> any rev
> code running inside the plugin could access a URL using
> https (since
> SSL is an enterprise-only feature).
> 
> So, it looks like one cannot expect an application built
> with
> Enterprise to necessarily work inside the plugin.
> 
> Bernard
> 
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 6:20 AM, stevex64<stevex64 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I played with one sample revMedia app embedded in a
> web page. That was
> > pretty cool. Does anyone know if you can embed a
> full-blown app developed in
> > revEnterprise in a web page somehow? It could have
> interesting distribution
> > and update implications.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 07:25:14 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:25:14 +0100
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0908020220k5494667l521b481fdc55ce4b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <24766175.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b0907312325y1409f02et95b1ca986552f6ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0908020220k5494667l521b481fdc55ce4b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908020425k1355ef15h7ba184ef0e12a79a@mail.gmail.com>

If this is true then it's good news.  However, since plugins like
Flash are able to make their own multiple network connections once
they are instantiated, I'd be surprised to learn that plugin network
connections piggy-back on the browser's connection.  Since the
revPlugin is visible as an application distinct from the browser in
the running processes of the OS, the plugin is clearly not subsumed
within the browser.

If you're right, then it sounds like providing Rev as a browser plugin
might be even more complex than I'd imagined.

Anyway, it's speculation like this that should have been resolved with
a list of FAQs.  I don't see myself using the plugin, so it's of
academic interest to me.

Bernard

On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:20 AM, David Bovill<david.bovill at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's the browser that will do the https for the plugin - the plugin will
> just need to pass any additional security requirements which AFAIK there
> aren't any as https is basically and encrypted wrapper around a normal http
> stream. My guess on this would be that there will be no major issues with
> secure https issues and the plugin - it should just work?


From coiin at rcn.com  Sun Aug  2 11:24:39 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:24:39 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0908020157v311e8f8ctae6c0d9b621f7ff2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CA2A5ACE-A8F7-4F7C-AFF4-5E8CFBB41B86@rcn.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908020157v311e8f8ctae6c0d9b621f7ff2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0EE6321-BF56-44F8-B5B3-BCCEE96F1E34@rcn.com>

I have downloaded stacks before, but playing stacks in a plugin should  
just load and run, and not be asking permission to write files to the  
hard drive.

If the files needing to be written are just preference settings, then  
the language of the warning should change. As it stands you could be  
giving permission for the stack to completely fill up your drive with  
large movie files or images.

I don't think that the plugin should insist on asking the user for  
permission to load content from the web. After all, the stack itself  
came from the web, so it's too late already! The way it is in  
Shockwave works ok. If the content being loaded is from the same web  
site, there is no warning, if it's from another web site, the user is  
presented a dialog at the time of the reading of the data, and there  
are three options to choose from. You can see that in action here:

http://xfiles.funnygarbage.com/~colinholgate/dcr/solarsystem.dcr

Click past the first screen, then click on the cartoon looking  
element, and click in the 3D space to make a planet with that texture.  
At that instant you get asked for permission. The actual texture  
doesn't work, Cartoon Network removed that file long ago.

The way that Flash works with writing local content works well. Flash  
can, by default, write up to 100k of local data without asking for  
permission. The user can increase or decrease that at any time.

So, in coming up with the best ways to warn people, take a good look  
at how it's done in Flash and Shockwave.




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 12:16:51 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:16:51 +0300
Subject: Naive question 1000
Message-ID: <4A75BBF3.8050206@gmail.com>

Somehow this passed me by .  .  .

How do I tell if a check button is checked ?

tried:

  if the checkMark of btn "CHECK" is true then
    put "selected"
 end if

and got nowehere.


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sun Aug  2 12:33:02 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:33:02 +0100
Subject: Naive question 1000
In-Reply-To: <4A75BBF3.8050206@gmail.com>
References: <4A75BBF3.8050206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02C818BF-73CB-4D0D-9A0E-8C324A1D4F3B@azurevision.co.uk>

Try the hilite, like you would for a radio button

As mentioned in the docs, 'checkmark' is purely for Hypercard  
compatibility.

Ian

On 2 Aug 2009, at 17:16, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Somehow this passed me by .  .  .
>
> How do I tell if a check button is checked ?
>
> tried:
>
> if the checkMark of btn "CHECK" is true then
>   put "selected"
> end if
>
> and got nowehere.
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From paulgabel at comcast.net  Sun Aug  2 12:34:38 2009
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 09:34:38 -0700
Subject: Naive question 1000
In-Reply-To: <4A75BBF3.8050206@gmail.com>
References: <4A75BBF3.8050206@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2F84BCF6-00F9-4C8A-946F-8AC7977D7609@comcast.net>

Hi Richmond:

Try

if the hilite of btn "Check" = "true" then ...

Paul Gabel

---------------

On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Somehow this passed me by .  .  .
>
> How do I tell if a check button is checked ?
>
> tried:
>
> if the checkMark of btn "CHECK" is true then
>   put "selected"
> end if
>
> and got nowehere.
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From psahores at free.fr  Sun Aug  2 12:35:58 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:35:58 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <D0EE6321-BF56-44F8-B5B3-BCCEE96F1E34@rcn.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CA2A5ACE-A8F7-4F7C-AFF4-5E8CFBB41B86@rcn.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908020157v311e8f8ctae6c0d9b621f7ff2@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0EE6321-BF56-44F8-B5B3-BCCEE96F1E34@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <A289E0CC-1411-4D2F-A22A-05A94B0355B3@free.fr>

Le 2 ao?t 09 ? 17:24, Colin Holgate a ?crit :

> I don't think that the plugin should insist on asking the user for  
> permission to load content from the web

My personal tought :

Yes, as long as this web contents can only interact with the user  
without any local-filesystem access, but only as inside the plugin  
runnable code and medias.
No, in any other cases.

> The way that Flash works with writing local content works well.  
> Flash can, by default, write up to 100k of local data without asking  
> for permission. The user can increase or decrease that at any time.

But in terms of real ability to fill very unfriendly code to the  
client-side computer, 100 k is enought to kill anything of the local  
file-system and even the hard-disk it-self by speeding it up until it  
definitivelly crash via a 6ko sniplet. So, if 100 k is enought to kill  
and hack anything, both, the Java or Flash security models are only  
non-sense in anything else out of marketing considerations.

In my humble advice, as a real honest team, management and company,  
RunRev know and does exactly what need to be done to protect the  
client-side computer and i think for my own that they are just doing  
the best of what need to be done.

On the other hand, i would appreciate to be able to avoid the display  
of any local-file system access autorisation demand, each time i  
purpose a plugin-app witch don't interact in any way with the local  
file system (updating it-self via post, get, realtime video-streaming,  
video-conferencing, etc...) even if to stay fluent in terms of user's  
experience, this need for me, to be able to save its personal plugin's  
preferences to my own server, instead of in writing them to its local  
file-system.

"Mes deux centimes d'Euro" ;-)

Pierre

--
Pierre Sahores
mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com






From coiin at rcn.com  Sun Aug  2 12:43:08 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:43:08 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <A289E0CC-1411-4D2F-A22A-05A94B0355B3@free.fr>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CA2A5ACE-A8F7-4F7C-AFF4-5E8CFBB41B86@rcn.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908020157v311e8f8ctae6c0d9b621f7ff2@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0EE6321-BF56-44F8-B5B3-BCCEE96F1E34@rcn.com>
	<A289E0CC-1411-4D2F-A22A-05A94B0355B3@free.fr>
Message-ID: <64CFE71A-51BA-4846-8127-C19EF863136E@rcn.com>


On Aug 2, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:

> But in terms of real ability to fill very unfriendly code to the  
> client-side computer, 100 k is enought to kill anything of the local  
> file-system and even the hard-disk it-self by speeding it up until  
> it definitivelly crash via a 6ko sniplet. So, if 100 k is enought to  
> kill and hack anything, both, the Java or Flash security models are  
> only non-sense in anything else out of marketing considerations.

This isn't a worry, because the 100k is effectively a text file, and  
Flash has no way to execute the file. It's only for storing things  
like preferences.




From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 13:09:51 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:09:51 +0100
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0908020425k1355ef15h7ba184ef0e12a79a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <24766175.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b0907312325y1409f02et95b1ca986552f6ed@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0908020220k5494667l521b481fdc55ce4b@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908020425k1355ef15h7ba184ef0e12a79a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908021009s8248e18sd8c33959807d8856@mail.gmail.com>

Ok - their are two things going on. First viewing a secure https page with a
plugin on the page (that is the bit the browser does), second any network
connectivity the revlet does - that's not the browsers business but down to
the capabilities of the plugin. I was just talking of the former. We'll have
to wait till the FAQ to get an idea about the latter - though I've always
felt RunRev was shooting itself in the foot by only including https
functionality with enterprise editions, and doing the same for the plugin
really makes no sense - so I'd be surprised if they prevent anyone from
developing plugin based ecommerce solutions.

2009/8/2 Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>

> If this is true then it's good news.  However, since plugins like
> Flash are able to make their own multiple network connections once
> they are instantiated, I'd be surprised to learn that plugin network
> connections piggy-back on the browser's connection.  Since the
> revPlugin is visible as an application distinct from the browser in
> the running processes of the OS, the plugin is clearly not subsumed
> within the browser.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Aug  2 13:15:51 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:15:51 +0300
Subject: Naive question 1000
In-Reply-To: <2F84BCF6-00F9-4C8A-946F-8AC7977D7609@comcast.net>
References: <4A75BBF3.8050206@gmail.com>
	<2F84BCF6-00F9-4C8A-946F-8AC7977D7609@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4A75C9C7.1030300@gmail.com>

Many Thanks to Paul Gabel and Ian Wood!

Although how a checkmark in a check button constitutes "hiliting"
escapes me . . .   :)

Paul Gabel wrote:
> Hi Richmond:
>
> Try
>
> if the hilite of btn "Check" = "true" then ...
>
> Paul Gabel
>
> ---------------
>
> On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> Somehow this passed me by .  .  .
>>
>> How do I tell if a check button is checked ?
>>
>> tried:
>>
>> if the checkMark of btn "CHECK" is true then
>>   put "selected"
>> end if
>>
>> and got nowehere.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From psahores at free.fr  Sun Aug  2 13:16:00 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 19:16:00 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <64CFE71A-51BA-4846-8127-C19EF863136E@rcn.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CA2A5ACE-A8F7-4F7C-AFF4-5E8CFBB41B86@rcn.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908020157v311e8f8ctae6c0d9b621f7ff2@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0EE6321-BF56-44F8-B5B3-BCCEE96F1E34@rcn.com>
	<A289E0CC-1411-4D2F-A22A-05A94B0355B3@free.fr>
	<64CFE71A-51BA-4846-8127-C19EF863136E@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <C9D13245-2685-44DA-A4DD-079323F8CAB5@free.fr>


Le 2 ao?t 09 ? 18:43, Colin Holgate a ?crit :

>
> On Aug 2, 2009, at 12:35 PM, Pierre Sahores wrote:
>
>> But in terms of real ability to fill very unfriendly code to the  
>> client-side computer, 100 k is enought to kill anything of the  
>> local file-system and even the hard-disk it-self by speeding it up  
>> until it definitivelly crash via a 6ko sniplet. So, if 100 k is  
>> enought to kill and hack anything, both, the Java or Flash security  
>> models are only non-sense in anything else out of marketing  
>> considerations.
>
> This isn't a worry, because the 100k is effectively a text file, and  
> Flash has no way to execute the file. It's only for storing things  
> like preferences.

Would not be a good idea to insist and i will hangup there after just  
some last words : this is just what the marketing says. Any master2 n- 
tier security course just make us green about all what can, in fact,  
be done behind the scene. In my own case, the best i learned about the  
subject credits more an army officier thesis than the unmodeled course  
contents...

...,


Pierre



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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Aug  2 13:26:57 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:26:57 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0908020157v311e8f8ctae6c0d9b621f7ff2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<CA2A5ACE-A8F7-4F7C-AFF4-5E8CFBB41B86@rcn.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908020157v311e8f8ctae6c0d9b621f7ff2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A75CC61.4090401@hyperactivesw.com>

Bernard Devlin wrote:

> Maybe this is going to be a serious problem in distributing apps via
> the plugin.  When someone downloads an app themselves, they
> (generally) don't worry about what it might do to their system.  But
> when the plugin presents a warning dialog like it currently does, it
> might make people reluctant to let the code run, when they would have
> had no worries about running an application they had downloaded
> themselves.

I have to agree that the generic warning is a little too scary to 
encourage widespread adoption. Allowing developers to supply their own 
warning would help. For example, if the warning said "This Revlet wants 
permission to write a preference file to your hard drive" I wouldn't 
have many qualms.

On the other hand, if RR gives control over the prompt to the developer, 
there's no way to police it. The prompt could ask for permission to 
write a text file and instead proceed to wipe the drive. I'm not sure 
what the right approach is.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sun Aug  2 13:30:00 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:30:00 +0100
Subject: Naive question 1000
In-Reply-To: <4A75C9C7.1030300@gmail.com>
References: <4A75BBF3.8050206@gmail.com>
	<2F84BCF6-00F9-4C8A-946F-8AC7977D7609@comcast.net>
	<4A75C9C7.1030300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AB9FA580-1B23-4A11-BCEF-68C442905B8C@azurevision.co.uk>

Obviously it's different for other OSes, but on OS X, checkboxes do  
indeed get highlighted when checked... ;-)

Ian

On 2 Aug 2009, at 18:15, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Although how a checkmark in a check button constitutes "hiliting"
> escapes me . . .   :)



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Aug  2 13:40:18 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 17:40:18 +0000
Subject: Naive question 1000
In-Reply-To: <4A75C9C7.1030300@gmail.com>
References: <4A75BBF3.8050206@gmail.com><2F84BCF6-00F9-4C8A-946F-8AC7977D7609@comcast.net><4A75C9C7.1030300@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1149027830-1249234866-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-509157667-@bxe1038.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Actually, the script can be even simpler:

 if the hilite of btn "check" then



Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 20:15:51 
To: How to use Revolution<use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Naive question 1000


Many Thanks to Paul Gabel and Ian Wood!

Although how a checkmark in a check button constitutes "hiliting"
escapes me . . .   :)

Paul Gabel wrote:
> Hi Richmond:
>
> Try
>
> if the hilite of btn "Check" = "true" then ...
>
> Paul Gabel
>
> ---------------
>
> On Aug 2, 2009, at 9:16 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> Somehow this passed me by .  .  .
>>
>> How do I tell if a check button is checked ?
>>
>> tried:
>>
>> if the checkMark of btn "CHECK" is true then
>>   put "selected"
>> end if
>>
>> and got nowehere.
>> _______________________________________________
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From coiin at rcn.com  Sun Aug  2 13:41:08 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:41:08 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <4A75CC61.4090401@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<CA2A5ACE-A8F7-4F7C-AFF4-5E8CFBB41B86@rcn.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908020157v311e8f8ctae6c0d9b621f7ff2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A75CC61.4090401@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A40E8490-8382-4D64-8A23-D48E49F68D6E@rcn.com>


On Aug 2, 2009, at 1:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>
> I have to agree that the generic warning is a little too scary to  
> encourage widespread adoption.

An example of too many dialogs preventing adoption is Shockwave. Even  
with 60% of people having Shockwave installed, clients tend not to  
want to use it because installing the plugin has opt-out add-ons, and  
if you access content on another valid site for the same company,  
Shockwave would show that security dialog. With the latest Shockwave  
version you can now check the crossdomain.xml policy file, and so at  
last can get around that issue for using content on another one of the  
client's sites.

Flash security is extremely tough and limiting, and manages to do all  
that without having to bother the user with permission dialogs. About  
15 years of effort has gone into the thinking behind how Shockwave and  
Flash security is handled, so there is a chance that some of what they  
have done is a good way to work.

So, Rev stacks online for your relatives to see your work is fine, but  
for real large client work it won't succeed if every user that uses  
the piece has to cope with security and permissions dialogs, because  
clients will tell you to use Flash instead.




From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sun Aug  2 13:58:36 2009
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:58:36 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <A40E8490-8382-4D64-8A23-D48E49F68D6E@rcn.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<CA2A5ACE-A8F7-4F7C-AFF4-5E8CFBB41B86@rcn.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908020157v311e8f8ctae6c0d9b621f7ff2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A75CC61.4090401@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A40E8490-8382-4D64-8A23-D48E49F68D6E@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <6E9BA5CE-D416-456A-8A09-37D94F76B32A@all-auctions.com>

Hi there,

I think this problem is a huge mess!  I found myself
feeling really paranoid about trying the stacks due
to the nasty sounding dialogs.

There has to be a better solution or people will not
adopt using the plug-in.

Just my 2 cents.

Rick

On Aug 2, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On Aug 2, 2009, at 1:26 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>>
>> I have to agree that the generic warning is a little too scary to  
>> encourage widespread adoption.
>
> An example of too many dialogs preventing adoption is Shockwave.  
> Even with 60% of people having Shockwave installed, clients tend not  
> to want to use it because installing the plugin has opt-out add-ons,  
> and if you access content on another valid site for the same  
> company, Shockwave would show that security dialog. With the latest  
> Shockwave version you can now check the crossdomain.xml policy file,  
> and so at last can get around that issue for using content on  
> another one of the client's sites.
>
> Flash security is extremely tough and limiting, and manages to do  
> all that without having to bother the user with permission dialogs.  
> About 15 years of effort has gone into the thinking behind how  
> Shockwave and Flash security is handled, so there is a chance that  
> some of what they have done is a good way to work.
>
> So, Rev stacks online for your relatives to see your work is fine,  
> but for real large client work it won't succeed if every user that  
> uses the piece has to cope with security and permissions dialogs,  
> because clients will tell you to use Flash instead.
>
>
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Aug  2 16:09:15 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:09:15 +0200
Subject: start using...
In-Reply-To: <E1C289F8-999F-4E34-83C1-700E5D7926AD@skynet.be>
References: <E1C289F8-999F-4E34-83C1-700E5D7926AD@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <262A31A1-D80F-4400-A6C5-D0A053BD816C@skynet.be>


Le 01-ao?t-09 ? 19:43, Yves COPPE a ?crit :

> Hi list
>
>
> I want to use the following script
>
> start using stack "xxx" on a server with a revlet
>
> how can I get the directory of a stack on a server ?
>
> the stack is in the same folder (dir) as the revlet on the server
>
> thanks.
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be

Re List


Has anybody any suggestion for my question above ?

Thanks.


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From psahores at free.fr  Sun Aug  2 16:46:54 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 22:46:54 +0200
Subject: start using...
In-Reply-To: <262A31A1-D80F-4400-A6C5-D0A053BD816C@skynet.be>
References: <E1C289F8-999F-4E34-83C1-700E5D7926AD@skynet.be>
	<262A31A1-D80F-4400-A6C5-D0A053BD816C@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <8684BAC9-CDE9-4308-8DA2-B85470EE89D7@free.fr>

Hi Yves,

In remote access mode, the directory of the stack can be handled as  
any other kind of http url (html, xml, txt,etc...).

If you just try to have the server's stack available as a script lib  
of the revlet in following the "start using stack n" by "insert the  
script of cd/script of stack n in the back/front", the simplest way to  
try would be to just use a

1.- "put url http;//yourdomainnameserver/thepathtoyourfile into  
myscriptlib_var" where yourfile is a txt file containing the scripts  
you want to to run inside the plugin,
2.- and than make myscriptlib_var available inside the plugin ram  
instance in running the command "insert myscriptlib_var in the back/ 
front".

Should this be handy ?

Else, could you explain a little more about the process you want to  
set up, including the type of communication you want to establish  
beetwin the revlet and the server stack ?

Best Regards,

--
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mobile : 06 03 95 77 70
www.sahores-conseil.com


Le 2 ao?t 09 ? 22:09, Yves COPPE a ?crit :

>
> Le 01-ao?t-09 ? 19:43, Yves COPPE a ?crit :
>
>> Hi list
>>
>>
>> I want to use the following script
>>
>> start using stack "xxx" on a server with a revlet
>>
>> how can I get the directory of a stack on a server ?
>>
>> the stack is in the same folder (dir) as the revlet on the server
>>
>> thanks.
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> Yves COPPE
>> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
> Re List
>
>
> Has anybody any suggestion for my question above ?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Aug  2 17:08:36 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:08:36 +0200
Subject: start using...
In-Reply-To: <8684BAC9-CDE9-4308-8DA2-B85470EE89D7@free.fr>
References: <E1C289F8-999F-4E34-83C1-700E5D7926AD@skynet.be>
	<262A31A1-D80F-4400-A6C5-D0A053BD816C@skynet.be>
	<8684BAC9-CDE9-4308-8DA2-B85470EE89D7@free.fr>
Message-ID: <8999DCFF-AC2F-4853-B3C9-67EE39089129@skynet.be>


Le 02-ao?t-09 ? 22:46, Pierre Sahores a ?crit :

> Hi Yves,
>
> In remote access mode, the directory of the stack can be handled as  
> any other kind of http url (html, xml, txt,etc...).
>
> If you just try to have the server's stack available as a script lib  
> of the revlet in following the "start using stack n" by "insert the  
> script of cd/script of stack n in the back/front", the simplest way  
> to try would be to just use a
>
> 1.- "put url http;//yourdomainnameserver/thepathtoyourfile into  
> myscriptlib_var" where yourfile is a txt file containing the scripts  
> you want to to run inside the plugin,
> 2.- and than make myscriptlib_var available inside the plugin ram  
> instance in running the command "insert myscriptlib_var in the back/ 
> front".
>
> Should this be handy ?
>
> Else, could you explain a little more about the process you want to  
> set up, including the type of communication you want to establish  
> beetwin the revlet and the server stack ?



Re,
Surely,
I have a library in a stack. This library is not the mine. The stack  
with the library is password protected
So the only way to use the library is to start with

Start using sack "containing the lib"

If I write
put url ("binfile:"&"http://www.mydomainname.com/myFolder/mystack"  
into myscriptlib
and then start using stack myscriptlib
it fails

If I write start using stack "http://www.mydomainname.com/myFolder/mystack 
"
it also fails

If I write on my main stack, when this stack becomes a revlet
answer the filename of this stack
I get an empty answer

So I cannot set the defaultFolder and I cannot pick a scrip tof a  
library

How do I do in this case ?


Thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Aug  2 18:20:50 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:20:50 +0200
Subject: start using...
In-Reply-To: <20090802170005.6B2E648AA0B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090802170005.6B2E648AA0B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F7FB452F-D280-4F6D-BAEF-4A1E0AE8A4F4@derbrill.de>

Hi Yves,

you can always make the library a substack of your mainstack. Open the  
messagebox and type

set the mainstack of stack "myLibrary" to "myManstack"


This will embed the library into your revLet. For dynamically loading  
and unloading: I want to know that too. I hope one of the Rev folks  
chimes in and give answers.

All the best,

Malte


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sun Aug  2 18:26:35 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 23:26:35 +0100
Subject: start using...
In-Reply-To: <F7FB452F-D280-4F6D-BAEF-4A1E0AE8A4F4@derbrill.de>
References: <20090802170005.6B2E648AA0B@mail.runrev.com>
	<F7FB452F-D280-4F6D-BAEF-4A1E0AE8A4F4@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <136E46EB-E2F1-42A8-ACD0-FE6199428304@azurevision.co.uk>

I thought library stacks was something that had already been stated as  
"not in this version"?

Ian

On 2 Aug 2009, at 23:20, Malte Brill wrote:

> For dynamically loading and unloading: I want to know that too. I  
> hope one of the Rev folks chimes in and give answers.



From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Aug  2 18:39:52 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:39:52 +0200
Subject: start using...
In-Reply-To: <20090802170005.6B2E648AA0B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090802170005.6B2E648AA0B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <39E8D59D-A105-47DF-8710-15E2660CF0BA@derbrill.de>

Hi Ian,

I successfully tested AE and charts in revLets. For on-rev we can not  
use stacks as yet, but in a revLet it works like a charm.

Cheers,

Malte


From psahores at free.fr  Sun Aug  2 19:05:19 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 01:05:19 +0200
Subject: start using...
In-Reply-To: <8999DCFF-AC2F-4853-B3C9-67EE39089129@skynet.be>
References: <E1C289F8-999F-4E34-83C1-700E5D7926AD@skynet.be>
	<262A31A1-D80F-4400-A6C5-D0A053BD816C@skynet.be>
	<8684BAC9-CDE9-4308-8DA2-B85470EE89D7@free.fr>
	<8999DCFF-AC2F-4853-B3C9-67EE39089129@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <45ABBCC8-1B59-4AE5-8542-9ABB5BC8170C@free.fr>


Le 2 ao?t 09 ? 23:08, Yves COPPE a ?crit :

>
> Le 02-ao?t-09 ? 22:46, Pierre Sahores a ?crit :
>
>> Hi Yves,
>>
>> In remote access mode, the directory of the stack can be handled as  
>> any other kind of http url (html, xml, txt,etc...).
>>
>> If you just try to have the server's stack available as a script  
>> lib of the revlet in following the "start using stack n" by "insert  
>> the script of cd/script of stack n in the back/front", the simplest  
>> way to try would be to just use a
>>
>> 1.- "put url http;//yourdomainnameserver/thepathtoyourfile into  
>> myscriptlib_var" where yourfile is a txt file containing the  
>> scripts you want to to run inside the plugin,
>> 2.- and than make myscriptlib_var available inside the plugin ram  
>> instance in running the command "insert myscriptlib_var in the back/ 
>> front".
>>
>> Should this be handy ?
>>
>> Else, could you explain a little more about the process you want to  
>> set up, including the type of communication you want to establish  
>> beetwin the revlet and the server stack ?
>
>
>
> Re,
> Surely,
> I have a library in a stack. This library is not the mine. The stack  
> with the library is password protected
> So the only way to use the library is to start with
>
> Start using sack "containing the lib"
>
> If I write
> put url ("binfile:"&"http://www.mydomainname.com/myFolder/mystack"  
> into myscriptlib
> and then start using stack myscriptlib
> it fails
>
> If I write start using stack "http://www.mydomainname.com/myFolder/mystack 
> "
> it also fails
>
> If I write on my main stack, when this stack becomes a revlet
> answer the filename of this stack
> I get an empty answer
>
> So I cannot set the defaultFolder and I cannot pick a scrip tof a  
> library
>
> How do I do in this case ?


Need, at least, to get an unlocked version of the stack/the contained  
scrpts you want to use. Why don't you ask about your need to the  
copyright older of the stack ?

Best,

Pierre
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Aug  2 21:40:38 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:40:38 +0200
Subject: Command-line screen recorder for Mac and PC?
In-Reply-To: <4A7383E2.3090501@together.net>
References: <831169.37909.qm@web111409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<e5e009d70907301700k736233f8ya1b2370af0b03d54@mail.gmail.com>	<24757540.post@talk.nabble.com>	<B192B2B0-B2DC-4003-B65E-C6363989994C@me.com>	<4A730C31.3010104@together.net>
	<4F7569CA-9DC5-4A50-87FF-72ED98BC888D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4A7383E2.3090501@together.net>
Message-ID: <174AE23F-6649-495C-A8FC-84AB73C13F7B@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richard,

Yes, Snapper makes screenshots and uses EnhancedQT to assemble a movie  
and add the audio track.

--
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Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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please send me a reminder.








On 1 aug 2009, at 01:53, Richard Miller wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> So is this basically a matter of taking repeated screen shots  
> through Rev and piecing these together into a movie through the EQT  
> functions? I suppose one can then overlay an audio track as well. Is  
> that the basic game plan?
>
> Thanks.
> Richard
>
>
>



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  3 04:01:15 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 01:01:15 -0700
Subject: File names with spaces difficulty
Message-ID: <473755B6-40F4-4AE9-8C9C-66D49F16180D@yahoo.com>

I know this has been answered before but I cannot find it in the  
archives.

(on a Mac OSX 10.5 system)
I am receiving files via FTP that have several spaces and cannot  
remember how to do:
	
	put "/Users/username/Documents/feed/" into pathh
	set the defaultfolder to pathh
	get the detailed files

	put item 1 of line 1 of it into FN
	put url ("file:" & pathh & FN) into dataBlock  --  < does not work

The file name on the hard drive is    "ALL BOOKS AND ARTICLES VOL 1.xml"
The variable FN is    "ALL+BOOKS+AND+ARTICLES+VOL+1.xml"
Replacing the   +  chars   in FN  does not work either.

Perhaps the answer is to use a shell() command?

Thanks for any advice.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  3 04:55:35 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 01:55:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: File names with spaces difficulty
In-Reply-To: <473755B6-40F4-4AE9-8C9C-66D49F16180D@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <960670.74004.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 8/3/09, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I know this has been answered before
> but I cannot find it in the archives.
> 
> (on a Mac OSX 10.5 system)
> I am receiving files via FTP that have several spaces and
> cannot remember how to do:
> ??? 
> ??? put "/Users/username/Documents/feed/"
> into pathh
> ??? set the defaultfolder to pathh
> ??? get the detailed files
> 
> ??? put item 1 of line 1 of it into FN
> ??? put url ("file:" & pathh & FN)
> into dataBlock? --? < does not work
> 
> The file name on the hard drive is? ? "ALL BOOKS
> AND ARTICLES VOL 1.xml"
> The variable FN is? ?
> "ALL+BOOKS+AND+ARTICLES+VOL+1.xml"
> Replacing the???+?
> chars???in FN? does not work either.
> 
> Perhaps the answer is to use a shell() command?
> 
> Thanks for any advice.
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 

Hi Jim,

All the filenames that you get from the 'detailed files' are URLEncoded, so this ought to do the trick:
##
  put URLDecoded(item 1 of line 1 of it) into FN
  put url ("file:" & pathh & FN) into dataBlock
##

HTH,

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


      


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Mon Aug  3 05:41:02 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 02:41:02 -0700
Subject: File names with spaces difficulty
In-Reply-To: <960670.74004.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <960670.74004.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2805C580-E76A-4712-937A-7AD67A0364C3@yahoo.com>

>
> Hi Jim,
>
> All the filenames that you get from the 'detailed files' are  
> URLEncoded, so this ought to do the trick:
> ##
>  put URLDecoded(item 1 of line 1 of it) into FN
>  put url ("file:" & pathh & FN) into dataBlock
> ##
>
> HTH,
> Jan Schenkel

Thanks - that did the trick with one slight change

  put URLDecode(item 1 of line 1 of it) into FN

instead of
  put URLDecoded(item 1 of line 1 of it) into FN

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Aug 3, 2009, at 1:55 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> --- On Mon, 8/3/09, Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I know this has been answered before
>> but I cannot find it in the archives.
>>
>> (on a Mac OSX 10.5 system)
>> I am receiving files via FTP that have several spaces and
>> cannot remember how to do:
>>
>>     put "/Users/username/Documents/feed/"
>> into pathh
>>     set the defaultfolder to pathh
>>     get the detailed files
>>
>>     put item 1 of line 1 of it into FN
>>     put url ("file:" & pathh & FN)
>> into dataBlock  --  < does not work
>>
>> The file name on the hard drive is    "ALL BOOKS
>> AND ARTICLES VOL 1.xml"
>> The variable FN is
>> "ALL+BOOKS+AND+ARTICLES+VOL+1.xml"
>> Replacing the   +
>> chars   in FN  does not work either.
>>
>> Perhaps the answer is to use a shell() command?
>>
>> Thanks for any advice.
>>
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas




From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Mon Aug  3 06:06:34 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 03:06:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Command-line screen recorder for Mac and PC?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0908010535x5de818dcp702098e48d2e65b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <831169.37909.qm@web111409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<e5e009d70907301700k736233f8ya1b2370af0b03d54@mail.gmail.com>
	<24757540.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<B192B2B0-B2DC-4003-B65E-C6363989994C@me.com>
	<4A730C31.3010104@together.net>
	<4F7569CA-9DC5-4A50-87FF-72ED98BC888D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<c1c5836b0908010535x5de818dcp702098e48d2e65b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24788196.post@talk.nabble.com>



>The images need to have varied time durations

David, you could do almost all your editing with the extended Quicktime
External, but for changing the duration of a frame you could use
Applescript. something like set the duration of frame x of track x of
document x to yyyy. You would have to do the timekeeping yourself, but you
would probably have to do that anyways.
This way you have a file that is proportional to the number of images and
not oversized due to repeated images to account for a framerate.

regards
Bernd


David Bovill-4 wrote:
> 
> .... The images need to have varied time durations,
> not just one frame, and file size ought to be proportional to the number
> of
> images, not to the duration of the movie. Previously I've done this as a
> Rev
> app, or using SMIL - this time I want files that can be taken into a video
> editor.
> 
> Taking a look at Trevor's fab Extended QuickTime external I see the only
> way
> to bring video in is using copy & paste. So does that mean that you put
> import the image as a binary, put it onto the clipboard and then use
> qtPaste
> to add the image to a given time? I'm also not clear how to extend the
> duration of a track / stretch the duration of a segment - other than by
> repeatedly copy / pasting - which for an image is only one frame?
> 
> I found this command line tool
> (QTSuperImageSequencer<http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/QTSuperImageSequencer.shtml>),
> written in Java which does what I want (I've not full tested it), but was
> wandering if it were possible to achieve the same thing using Rev and EQT?
> Similar to EQT all the heavy work is done by QuickTime - the source is
> open
> and short.
> 
> 

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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 06:26:13 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:26:13 +0100
Subject: Command-line screen recorder for Mac and PC?
In-Reply-To: <24788196.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <831169.37909.qm@web111409.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<e5e009d70907301700k736233f8ya1b2370af0b03d54@mail.gmail.com>
	<24757540.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<B192B2B0-B2DC-4003-B65E-C6363989994C@me.com>
	<4A730C31.3010104@together.net>
	<4F7569CA-9DC5-4A50-87FF-72ED98BC888D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<c1c5836b0908010535x5de818dcp702098e48d2e65b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<24788196.post@talk.nabble.com>
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Hey - thanks for the pointer that Bernd. That looks good on the Mac -
looking at the AppleScript Dictionary it seems to have doubled in features
since I last checked! Also looks like it is fully supported for scripting
from VB and even JavaScript on Windows.

2009/8/3 BNig <niggemann at uni-wh.de>

>
>
> >The images need to have varied time durations
>
> David, you could do almost all your editing with the extended Quicktime
> External, but for changing the duration of a frame you could use
> Applescript. something like set the duration of frame x of track x of
> document x to yyyy. You would have to do the timekeeping yourself, but you
> would probably have to do that anyways.
> This way you have a file that is proportional to the number of images and
> not oversized due to repeated images to account for a framerate.
>
> regards
> Bernd
>
>
> David Bovill-4 wrote:
> >
> > .... The images need to have varied time durations,
> > not just one frame, and file size ought to be proportional to the number
> > of
> > images, not to the duration of the movie. Previously I've done this as a
> > Rev
> > app, or using SMIL - this time I want files that can be taken into a
> video
> > editor.
> >
> > Taking a look at Trevor's fab Extended QuickTime external I see the only
> > way
> > to bring video in is using copy & paste. So does that mean that you put
> > import the image as a binary, put it onto the clipboard and then use
> > qtPaste
> > to add the image to a given time? I'm also not clear how to extend the
> > duration of a track / stretch the duration of a segment - other than by
> > repeatedly copy / pasting - which for an image is only one frame?
> >
> > I found this command line tool
> > (QTSuperImageSequencer<
> http://mac.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/QTSuperImageSequencer.shtml>),
> > written in Java which does what I want (I've not full tested it), but was
> > wandering if it were possible to achieve the same thing using Rev and
> EQT?
> > Similar to EQT all the heavy work is done by QuickTime - the source is
> > open
> > and short.
> >
> >
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://www.nabble.com/RevMedia-4-does-not-like-my-animated-gifs-%28constantMask-problem%29-tp24749079p24788196.html
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Aug  3 06:29:35 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:29:35 +0100
Subject: OT: hacking and painting
Message-ID: <1EA6E850-DC86-460A-BE26-33D3E7C79228@azurevision.co.uk>

An essay I just came across which I thought might be particularly  
appropriate for this list.

http://www.paulgraham.com/hp.html

"If I had only looked over at the other makers, the painters or the  
architects, I would have realized that there was a name for what I was  
doing: sketching. As far as I can tell, the way they taught me to  
program in college was all wrong. You should figure out programs as  
you're writing them, just as writers and painters and architects do.

Realizing this has real implications for software design. It means  
that a programming language should, above all, be malleable. A  
programming language is for thinking of programs, not for expressing  
programs you've already thought of. It should be a pencil, not a pen.  
Static typing would be a fine idea if people actually did write  
programs the way they taught me to in college. But that's not how any  
of the hackers I know write programs. We need a language that lets us  
scribble and smudge and smear, not a language where you have to sit  
with a teacup of types balanced on your knee and make polite  
conversation with a strict old aunt of a compiler."

Sounds like a good description of Runrev to me...

Ian


From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Aug  3 06:41:48 2009
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 11:41:48 +0100
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
In-Reply-To: <559176.86495.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C69C7D7C.4222%kevin@runrev.com>

On 02/08/2009 12:12, "Jan Schenkel" <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Think of the hassle that would logically accompany three different downloads
> for the three editions: revMedia (neither databases nor SSL), revStudio
> (databases but no SSL) and revEnterprise (databases and SSL).
> It is far more likely that there is a single runtime for the browser plug-in,
> but the revlet can only do what is supported in the edition that you build it
> with.
> The potential for business applications is huge, and it will be a lot easier
> to build than with Java applet/JNLP constructs.

Right. Your revlet can run in the browser with the capabilities of the
edition that was used to *create* it. So if you build a revlet using
revEnterprise, it will be able to use SSL and SSL will work within that
revlet, for any user of who loads it using the free plugin.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 09:36:50 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:36:50 +0300
Subject: OT: hacking and painting
In-Reply-To: <1EA6E850-DC86-460A-BE26-33D3E7C79228@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <1EA6E850-DC86-460A-BE26-33D3E7C79228@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A76E7F2.9020003@gmail.com>

Ian Wood wrote:
> An essay I just came across which I thought might be particularly 
> appropriate for this list.
>
> http://www.paulgraham.com/hp.html
>
> "If I had only looked over at the other makers, the painters or the 
> architects, I would have realized that there was a name for what I was 
> doing: sketching. As far as I can tell, the way they taught me to 
> program in college was all wrong. You should figure out programs as 
> you're writing them, just as writers and painters and architects do.
>
> Realizing this has real implications for software design. It means 
> that a programming language should, above all, be malleable. A 
> programming language is for thinking of programs, not for expressing 
> programs you've already thought of. It should be a pencil, not a pen. 
> Static typing would be a fine idea if people actually did write 
> programs the way they taught me to in college. But that's not how any 
> of the hackers I know write programs. We need a language that lets us 
> scribble and smudge and smear, not a language where you have to sit 
> with a teacup of types balanced on your knee and make polite 
> conversation with a strict old aunt of a compiler."
>
> Sounds like a good description of Runrev to me...
>
> Ian
> _______________________________________________
Very Good!

The thing I really like about RunRev is that there are almost always 3 
or 4 ways to achieve something.

I normally 'write' the most important bits of my programming when I am 
asleep; and when I awake
I have the algorithm in my head in a sort of amorphous form which I then 
program in RunRev,
norammly, also, fairly amorphously. But, RunRev is fairly forgiving and 
tolerates my amorphisms,
gently nudges me when they are too far off the beaten track, and treats 
me gently.

It always escapes me why people want to program is "real programming 
languages"; i.e. ones
that are horribly strict, look like telephone bills, and when one comes 
back to them 3 years
later nothing makes any sense at all.


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon Aug  3 12:32:13 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:32:13 +0100
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
In-Reply-To: <C69C7D7C.4222%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <559176.86495.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<C69C7D7C.4222%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908030932r71f181afob6c7accf1aab3fe2@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you for the clarification.  I hope it will appear in the FAQ, so
that people are not misled into thinking that their revlets are going
to be making secure connections if they are downloaded from a URL
beginning with "https://" .

Bernard

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Kevin Miller<kevin at runrev.com> wrote:
> Right. Your revlet can run in the browser with the capabilities of the
> edition that was used to *create* it. So if you build a revlet using
> revEnterprise, it will be able to use SSL and SSL will work within that
> revlet, for any user of who loads it using the free plugin.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin


From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Mon Aug  3 19:01:59 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:01:59 +0200
Subject: Message path and standalones
Message-ID: <466A8866-ACCD-4480-B0A6-C3360D4027BB@mines-paristech.fr>

I am currently trying to compile my stack(s) into MacOS X standalones.  
This is rev studio 3.5 gm2.
I am trying to use the "Splash page" inplementation for the standalone.
I am looking for confirmation and, if possible explanation for the  
following facts
a) start using stack etc... does not seem to work in a standalone,  
i.e. handlers that should be in the extended message path are not  
executed. I can reproduce that on an elementary stack.
b) send (message etc...) to the proper object works
c)  handlers which are not in the message path in the are not detected  
in the IDE at compile time, but only at runtime. Wouldn't it be nice  
if this could be detected at compile time?

Finally, I have not tried behaviors and I would be glad if I could get  
some info on their "behavior", so to speak, in a standalone with  
multiple stacks.

cheers from Paris

	Fran?ois



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Aug  3 19:35:27 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:35:27 -0700
Subject: Message path and standalones
In-Reply-To: <466A8866-ACCD-4480-B0A6-C3360D4027BB@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <466A8866-ACCD-4480-B0A6-C3360D4027BB@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908031635u2c5b4cbct55c7005c6bb1d6d@mail.gmail.com>

The 'splash screen method' is indeed a wonderful feature of Runrev,
especially in a Macintosh standalone. And yes 'start using' works fine in a
standalone.
But the path strategy is different for a standalone than working in the IDE.
 The paths have to be specified in relation to the stack engine, not the IDE
engines and externals in their normal places on your drive.

I won't run down the exact sequence of how to do it, but  a couple of clues:

use the 'effective filename of this stack' to get your standalones' location
(from within the running standalone code)
and set the location of the stacks to include relative to that. Relative
addressing works.

ALSO

remember you can
open up the .app package and WORK DIRECTLY with those stacks in the
IDE,   You don't have to rebuild the standalone each time,
unless you add externals or need to add features from a newer version of
Runrev that wasn't there before.

Not only can you edit, compile and run, you can also FIX stuff. And you can
leave the IDE idling while you test in the standalone.

 It's the speediest, easiest way to work.... for me at least...


-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/3 Fran?ois Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr>

> I am currently trying to compile my stack(s) into MacOS X standalones. This
> is rev studio 3.5 gm2.
> I am trying to use the "Splash page" inplementation for the standalone.
> I am looking for confirmation and, if possible explanation for the
> following facts
> a) start using stack etc... does not seem to work in a standalone, i.e.
> handlers that should be in the extended message path are not executed. I can
> reproduce that on an elementary stack.
> b) send (message etc...) to the proper object works
> c)  handlers which are not in the message path in the are not detected in
> the IDE at compile time, but only at runtime. Wouldn't it be nice if this
> could be detected at compile time?
>
> Finally, I have not tried behaviors and I would be glad if I could get some
> info on their "behavior", so to speak, in a standalone with multiple stacks.
>
> cheers from Paris
>
>        Fran?ois
>
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From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Aug  3 19:39:49 2009
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:39:49 -0700
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
In-Reply-To: <C69C7D7C.4222%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C69C7D7C.4222%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <911CC9CC-0E56-4ACF-87DE-45995E329A0A@dvcreators.net>

I have a question:

It was my understanding that Revolution Media used to be a $49  
application, similar to Studio and Enterprise but lacking many of  
advanced and professional features.

Now, is the new RevMedia just for the web? Or is it still a  
development environment where you can create stacks that will run from  
the desktop (with the appropriate "player")?

Thanks


On Aug 3, 2009, at 3:41 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 02/08/2009 12:12, "Jan Schenkel" <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Think of the hassle that would logically accompany three different  
>> downloads
>> for the three editions: revMedia (neither databases nor SSL),  
>> revStudio
>> (databases but no SSL) and revEnterprise (databases and SSL).
>> It is far more likely that there is a single runtime for the  
>> browser plug-in,
>> but the revlet can only do what is supported in the edition that  
>> you build it
>> with.
>> The potential for business applications is huge, and it will be a  
>> lot easier
>> to build than with Java applet/JNLP constructs.
>
> Right. Your revlet can run in the browser with the capabilities of the
> edition that was used to *create* it. So if you build a revlet using
> revEnterprise, it will be able to use SSL and SSL will work within  
> that
> revlet, for any user of who loads it using the free plugin.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From erik at erikhansen.org  Mon Aug  3 20:18:40 2009
From: erik at erikhansen.org (Erik Hansen)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 17:18:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT: hacking and painting
In-Reply-To: <1EA6E850-DC86-460A-BE26-33D3E7C79228@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <1EA6E850-DC86-460A-BE26-33D3E7C79228@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <811248.98494.qm@web1005.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


Great, mate.



----- Original Message ----
From: Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk>
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 3:29:35 AM
Subject: OT: hacking and painting

An essay I just came across which I thought might be particularly appropriate for this list.

http://www.paulgraham.com/hp.html

"If I had only looked over at the other makers, the painters or the architects, I would have realized that there was a name for what I was doing: sketching. As far as I can tell, the way they taught me to program in college was all wrong. You should figure out programs as you're writing them, just as writers and painters and architects do.

Realizing this has real implications for software design. It means that a programming language should, above all, be malleable. A programming language is for thinking of programs, not for expressing programs you've already thought of. It should be a pencil, not a pen. Static typing would be a fine idea if people actually did write programs the way they taught me to in college. But that's not how any of the hackers I know write programs. We need a language that lets us scribble and smudge and smear, not a language where you have to sit with a teacup of types balanced on your knee and make polite conversation with a strict old aunt of a compiler."

Sounds like a good description of Runrev to me...

Ian
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Aug  3 22:26:37 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 19:26:37 -0700
Subject: OT: hacking and painting
In-Reply-To: <811248.98494.qm@web1005.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1EA6E850-DC86-460A-BE26-33D3E7C79228@azurevision.co.uk>
	<811248.98494.qm@web1005.biz.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <81DB923D-1F3E-4F75-B562-94C354C98D0C@cox.net>

Ian,  a great read and much appreciated contribution. Now I better  
understand my own successes in programming as both a writer and an  
architect.

Joe Wilkins
Architect and Product Developer for GSI
<www.glsysinc.com>

On Aug 3, 2009, at 5:18 PM, Erik Hansen wrote:

> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk>
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 3:29:35 AM
> Subject: OT: hacking and painting
>
> An essay I just came across which I thought might be particularly  
> appropriate for this list.
>
> http://www.paulgraham.com/hp.html
>
> "If I had only looked over at the other makers, the painters or the  
> architects, I would have realized that there was a name for what I  
> was doing: sketching. As far as I can tell, the way they taught me  
> to program in college was all wrong. You should figure out programs  
> as you're writing them, just as writers and painters and architects  
> do.
>
> Realizing this has real implications for software design. It means  
> that a programming language should, above all, be malleable. A  
> programming language is for thinking of programs, not for expressing  
> programs you've already thought of. It should be a pencil, not a  
> pen. Static typing would be a fine idea if people actually did write  
> programs the way they taught me to in college. But that's not how  
> any of the hackers I know write programs. We need a language that  
> lets us scribble and smudge and smear, not a language where you have  
> to sit with a teacup of types balanced on your knee and make polite  
> conversation with a strict old aunt of a compiler."
>
> Sounds like a good description of Runrev to me...
>
> Ian



From h at FlexibleLearning.com  Mon Aug  3 22:29:25 2009
From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 03:29:25 +0100
Subject: Embedding substacks in a revlet (was RE: start using...)
In-Reply-To: <20090803170004.79C6548A866@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONEEJICEAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>


I am confused about whether we can embed library substacks in a revlet...

Ian Wood wrote:
> I thought library stacks was something that had already been stated as
> "not in this version"?

but Malte wrote:
> I successfully tested AE and charts in revLets. For on-rev we can not
> use stacks as yet, but in a revLet it works like a charm.


Are you then successfully building a revlet with an embedded AE/CE substack,
Malte?

/H



From katir at hindu.org  Mon Aug  3 23:11:38 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 17:11:38 -1000
Subject: Digging Huge Files
Message-ID: <4A77A6EA.8090709@hindu.org>

I'm wanting to process both error logs and access logs on our web sites.

I have logs rotating out weekly, so that means we have 7 access_log 
files each ranging about 250-300MB in size.

It is my understanding that

put url "file:/someGiantFile.txt" into tAccessLog

will load the entire variable into memory.  I might try that on one of 
our G5 quad towers, but prefer to work on my power book.

So I assume that one could use the read command

This works:

on mouseUp
   open file (fld "path") for read # path to local 245MB access_log.1 file

   put 1 into tStart
   put 20000 into tStep
  put 1000 into tChunkSize

  repeat  until tAccessLogFileChunk is empty
    
  read from file (fld "path") for tChunkSize lines
  put it into tAccessLogFileChunk
  put processLogs(tAccessLogFileChunk) & cr after tOutput
  put (tStart + tStep) into tStart
  put tStart & cr after tOutput
end repeat
ask file "Where should we save this?" with "LogResults.txt"
put it into tURL
put tOutput into url ("file:" & tURL)
end mouseUp

function processLogs tAccessLogFileChunk
   put empty into tFoundLines
   repeat for each line x in tAccessLogFileChunk
      if x contains "revolution" then
         put x & cr after tFoundLInes
      end if
   end repeat
   return tFoundLines
End processLogs



any comments on optimizing this?

Actually it was pretty speedy, until a minute to get to the save the 
results out... I could add paths
to all six access files for a week and probably get all the results for 
a search out in under 5 minutes for 1.5Gig...So, that's really not too bad.

Sivakatirswami







From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Aug  4 02:11:52 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:11:52 -0700
Subject: Enterprises that don't allow "foreign" exe's
Message-ID: <4A77D128.6030501@pdslabs.net>

I have a client who struck a deal to sell his Rev-based product to a 
large US govt agency. Problem: the agency's system admin group has set 
up the computing environment so his app can't be installed by his 
customers. I don't have much technical detail yet about the environment, 
but I assume they may use something like Citrix to control their world.

Have you ever had to deal with this kind of thing? Are you aware of any 
workarounds? I was thinking maybe my client's product could be converted 
to revlets, but then there's the web plugin issue - don't know if such 
an installation would be allowed.

TIA for any responses.
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue Aug  4 02:16:21 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:16:21 +0200
Subject: Enterprises that don't allow "foreign" exe's
In-Reply-To: <4A77D128.6030501@pdslabs.net>
References: <4A77D128.6030501@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <3FD9028D-9C35-48CD-8C14-ED265D82A337@ezpzapps.com>


On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

> TIA for any responses.


Maybe consulting directly with Kevin might be valuable for you.

The Rev web site does (at least did) list a US Gov't agency or two  
that uses Rev, perhaps some insight might be gained by talking to the  
people involved with them.

sims


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Aug  4 02:24:32 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 23:24:32 -0700
Subject: Enterprises that don't allow "foreign" exe's
In-Reply-To: <3FD9028D-9C35-48CD-8C14-ED265D82A337@ezpzapps.com>
References: <4A77D128.6030501@pdslabs.net>
	<3FD9028D-9C35-48CD-8C14-ED265D82A337@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <4A77D420.4080507@pdslabs.net>

Thanks Jim. Good idea.


Jim Sims wrote:
>
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> TIA for any responses.
>
>
> Maybe consulting directly with Kevin might be valuable for you.
>
> The Rev web site does (at least did) list a US Gov't agency or two 
> that uses Rev, perhaps some insight might be gained by talking to the 
> people involved with them.
>
> sims 

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Aug  4 03:38:34 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:38:34 +0200
Subject: Embedding substacks in a revlet (was RE: start using...)
In-Reply-To: <20090803170004.D427A48A86B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090803170004.D427A48A86B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <563B46FC-94E8-49BF-9DF4-597E5B30676F@derbrill.de>

Hugh wrote:

> Are you then successfully building a revlet with an embedded AE/CE  
> substack,
> Malte?
>
> /H

Yes I do. And I must say that I like what I see. :)
All the best,

Malte


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 04:05:27 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:05:27 +0300
Subject: Substacks in revlets
Message-ID: <4A77EBC7.9090203@gmail.com>

I just made a stack "MAINN" with a substack "SUBB"
and popped a button right in the middle of "MAINN"
with the script:

on mouseUp
   palette "SUBB"
end mouseUp

built as a revlet.


Didn't work . . .

Now is this because 'palette' is causing problems,
or is it just that revelts don't like substacks?


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  4 04:47:27 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 01:47:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Substacks in revlets
In-Reply-To: <4A77EBC7.9090203@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <916607.43946.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 8/4/09, Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just made a stack "MAINN" with a
> substack "SUBB"
> and popped a button right in the middle of "MAINN"
> with the script:
> 
> on mouseUp
> ? palette "SUBB"
> end mouseUp
> 
> built as a revlet.
> 
> 
> Didn't work . . .
> 
> Now is this because 'palette' is causing problems,
> or is it just that revelts don't like substacks?
> 

The palette/modal/modeless commands won't work until the RunRev team finishes native window support.
But you can use substacks for library commands/functions.

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


      


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 04:55:03 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:55:03 +0100
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
In-Reply-To: <911CC9CC-0E56-4ACF-87DE-45995E329A0A@dvcreators.net>
References: <C69C7D7C.4222%kevin@runrev.com>
	<911CC9CC-0E56-4ACF-87DE-45995E329A0A@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908040155g284cce46l612f4c3208052e44@mail.gmail.com>

This one is answered in the FAQ.  As I understand it, eventually one
will be able to use the plugin as a player so that stacks build with
revMedia can be run on the desktop.

See question 08 here:
http://revmedia.runrev.com/frequently-asked-questions/known-issues/

Bernard

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Josh Mellicker<josh at dvcreators.net> wrote:
> I have a question:
>
> It was my understanding that Revolution Media used to be a $49 application,
> similar to Studio and Enterprise but lacking many of advanced and
> professional features.
>
> Now, is the new RevMedia just for the web? Or is it still a development
> environment where you can create stacks that will run from the desktop (with
> the appropriate "player")?
>
> Thanks


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 04:56:53 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:56:53 +0300
Subject: Substacks in revlets
In-Reply-To: <916607.43946.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <916607.43946.qm@web65404.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A77F7D5.3040406@gmail.com>

Jan Schenkel wrote:
> --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> I just made a stack "MAINN" with a
>> substack "SUBB"
>> and popped a button right in the middle of "MAINN"
>> with the script:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   palette "SUBB"
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> built as a revlet.
>>
>>
>> Didn't work . . .
>>
>> Now is this because 'palette' is causing problems,
>> or is it just that revelts don't like substacks?
>>
>>     
>
> The palette/modal/modeless commands won't work until the RunRev team finishes native window support.
> But you can use substacks for library commands/functions.
>
> Jan Schenkel
> =====
>   
Are these things documented somewhere?  It certainly would be useful
to know so one could make the GANTT charts look reasonably sensible.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 05:49:51 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:49:51 +0300
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0908040155g284cce46l612f4c3208052e44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C69C7D7C.4222%kevin@runrev.com>	<911CC9CC-0E56-4ACF-87DE-45995E329A0A@dvcreators.net>
	<edcc7e6b0908040155g284cce46l612f4c3208052e44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A78043F.9050908@gmail.com>

Bernard Devlin wrote:
> This one is answered in the FAQ.  As I understand it, eventually one
> will be able to use the plugin as a player so that stacks build with
> revMedia can be run on the desktop.
>
> See question 08 here:
> http://revmedia.runrev.com/frequently-asked-questions/known-issues/
>
> Bernard
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Josh Mellicker<josh at dvcreators.net> wrote:
>   
>> I have a question:
>>
>> It was my understanding that Revolution Media used to be a $49 application,
>> similar to Studio and Enterprise but lacking many of advanced and
>> professional features.
>>
>> Now, is the new RevMedia just for the web? Or is it still a development
>> environment where you can create stacks that will run from the desktop (with
>> the appropriate "player")?
>>
>> Thanks
>>     
This is a slightly silly question.

To answer it, quickly and practically:

1.  Make a stack in revMedia 4a,

2. Go here:  
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/StackRunner.htm

    And download the version of stackRunner for your OS

3.  Run the stack with stackRunner.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 05:58:13 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:58:13 +0300
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0908040155g284cce46l612f4c3208052e44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C69C7D7C.4222%kevin@runrev.com>	<911CC9CC-0E56-4ACF-87DE-45995E329A0A@dvcreators.net>
	<edcc7e6b0908040155g284cce46l612f4c3208052e44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A780635.2070109@gmail.com>

Bernard Devlin wrote:
> This one is answered in the FAQ.  As I understand it, eventually one
> will be able to use the plugin as a player so that stacks build with
> revMedia can be run on the desktop.
>
> See question 08 here:
> http://revmedia.runrev.com/frequently-asked-questions/known-issues/
>
> Bernard
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:39 AM, Josh Mellicker<josh at dvcreators.net> wrote:
>   
>> I have a question:
>>
>> It was my understanding that Revolution Media used to be a $49 application,
>> similar to Studio and Enterprise but lacking many of advanced and
>> professional features.
>>
>> Now, is the new RevMedia just for the web? Or is it still a development
>> environment where you can create stacks that will run from the desktop (with
>> the appropriate "player")?
>>
>>
>>     
Well, just to answer my own question:

The latest version of stackRunner available from Sons O' Thunder cannot
run revMedia 4a stacks

HOWEVER:

the Revolution Player 3 available at:

http://www.runrev.com/downloads/all-downloads/revolution-player/

can run revMedia 4a stacks.

[Answering this question involved 15 minutes of practical experimentation].


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue Aug  4 08:09:24 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 14:09:24 +0200
Subject: [Data grid] dgProp[column labels] returning nothing
Message-ID: <6524EADF-841B-4882-83A1-A706BBF8F8C5@inria.fr>

Bonjour,

In a script involving a data grid I need its number of columns. My  
idea (is it the good one ?) is to use the number of lines of  
dgProp["columns"] or of dgProp["column labels"]

My first trial was :
put the dgProp["column labels"] of grp "data grid 1";  which returned  
nothing
Then I tried :
put the dgProp["columns"] of grp "data grid 1"  which, as expected,  
returned a line delimited list of the columns names of the data grid

Trying these two ways on several differents data grids (on which each  
column has a name and a label) I get the same results (success with  
"columns", not with "column labels".

I am not in a hurry as I get what I need with dgProp["columns"]

But, I am curious to know what I am missing when I try dgProp["column  
labels"]?

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Aug  4 08:27:34 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:27:34 +0100
Subject: start using...
In-Reply-To: <39E8D59D-A105-47DF-8710-15E2660CF0BA@derbrill.de>
References: <20090802170005.6B2E648AA0B@mail.runrev.com>
	<39E8D59D-A105-47DF-8710-15E2660CF0BA@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <E99A4B57-46E4-4BEE-887D-D980F57D94DF@azurevision.co.uk>

That would explain it - I was remembering a limitation of On-Rev as a  
limitation for revlets...

Ian

On 2 Aug 2009, at 23:39, Malte Brill wrote:

> I successfully tested AE and charts in revLets. For on-rev we can  
> not use stacks as yet, but in a revLet it works like a charm.



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Aug  4 08:46:08 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 08:46:08 -0400
Subject: [Data grid] dgProp[column labels] returning nothing
In-Reply-To: <6524EADF-841B-4882-83A1-A706BBF8F8C5@inria.fr>
References: <6524EADF-841B-4882-83A1-A706BBF8F8C5@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <87BA67EB-F038-41C2-8151-210F27A6DBCE@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

> In a script involving a data grid I need its number of columns. My  
> idea (is it the good one ?) is to use the number of lines of  
> dgProp["columns"] or of dgProp["column labels"]

Yes, counting the number of lines of the dgColumns will work as that  
will return the number of columns that you have defined in your data  
grid.

> ...
>
> I am not in a hurry as I get what I need with dgProp["columns"]
>
> But, I am curious to know what I am missing when I try  
> dgProp["column labels"]?

It's because there is no defined getprop for a "column labels"  
property. You can set the column labels however. I will add in the  
code so getprop works.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Tue Aug  4 09:01:42 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:01:42 +0200
Subject: [Data grid] dgProp[column labels] returning nothing
In-Reply-To: <87BA67EB-F038-41C2-8151-210F27A6DBCE@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <6524EADF-841B-4882-83A1-A706BBF8F8C5@inria.fr>
	<87BA67EB-F038-41C2-8151-210F27A6DBCE@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <AD91378F-C57F-4EDD-ACFA-47DEC4F677C3@inria.fr>


Le 4 ao?t 09 ? 14:46, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

> On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:09 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:
>
>> In a script involving a data grid I need its number of columns. My  
>> idea (is it the good one ?) is to use the number of lines of  
>> dgProp["columns"] or of dgProp["column labels"]
>
> Yes, counting the number of lines of the dgColumns will work as that  
> will return the number of columns that you have defined in your data  
> grid.
>> ...
>>
>> I am not in a hurry as I get what I need with dgProp["columns"]
>>
>> But, I am curious to know what I am missing when I try  
>> dgProp["column labels"]?
>
> It's because there is no defined getprop for a "column labels"  
> property. You can set the column labels however. I will add in the  
> code so getprop works.
>
OK ! merci beaucoup Trevor for this explanation; I will use  
dgProp["columns"]

Amiti?s de Grenoble

Andr?



From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Aug  4 10:06:58 2009
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:06:58 +0100
Subject: Problem with answer file(s)
Message-ID: <8C83E537-4ED9-4E7C-904E-6D4688E826FD@mac.com>

This seems extremely simple, but I can't get the following example to  
work (the example comes from the Rev dictionary for Rev 3.5.0 build  
870):

> For example, to specify that only Revolution files should appear in  
> the dialog box, use this statement. The description "Revolution  
> files" is visible to the user at the bottom of the dialog, and only  
> files with the extension ".rev" are shown:
>   answer file myPrompt with filter "Revolution files,*.rev"

When I do this on an Intel Mac running Mac OS 10.5.7, the file  
selection box appears but all the files (not just non- .rev files) in  
the directory are dimmed and can't be selected. Same if I use the  
"answer files" version, and also if I substitute "type" for "filter".  
OTOH if I leave out the type/filter part of the statement, I get the  
directory shown with all types of files (of course) and the individual  
files are selectable and the expected list appears in the "it" variable.

I just want to see one type of file (not really .rev, but if that  
example works then clearly I can do what I want).

What am I doing wrong? Answer file has existed for a long time, so I  
imagine it's my mistake rather than a bug. I found some some  
correspondence about this in the list archives way back in 2002, but  
nothing I can see more recent.

TIA

Graham


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Aug  4 10:20:00 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:20:00 +0100
Subject: Problem with answer file(s)
In-Reply-To: <8C83E537-4ED9-4E7C-904E-6D4688E826FD@mac.com>
References: <8C83E537-4ED9-4E7C-904E-6D4688E826FD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7C75CDB7-D27D-42CF-B775-6167785FE7C5@azurevision.co.uk>

You need look up 'answer file with type' in the dictionary.

As far as I can remember (unreliable!) of previous conversations about  
this, filtering in the normal answer file command is dependant on  
files having a file type assigned to them by the creating program,  
making it nearly useless in OS X because file types are pretty much  
deprecated in the OS.

Ian

On 4 Aug 2009, at 15:06, Graham Samuel wrote:

> This seems extremely simple, but I can't get the following example  
> to work (the example comes from the Rev dictionary for Rev 3.5.0  
> build 870):
>
>> For example, to specify that only Revolution files should appear in  
>> the dialog box, use this statement. The description "Revolution  
>> files" is visible to the user at the bottom of the dialog, and only  
>> files with the extension ".rev" are shown:
>>  answer file myPrompt with filter "Revolution files,*.rev"
>
> When I do this on an Intel Mac running Mac OS 10.5.7, the file  
> selection box appears but all the files (not just non- .rev files)  
> in the directory are dimmed and can't be selected. Same if I use the  
> "answer files" version, and also if I substitute "type" for  
> "filter". OTOH if I leave out the type/filter part of the statement,  
> I get the directory shown with all types of files (of course) and  
> the individual files are selectable and the expected list appears in  
> the "it" variable.
>
> I just want to see one type of file (not really .rev, but if that  
> example works then clearly I can do what I want).
>
> What am I doing wrong? Answer file has existed for a long time, so I  
> imagine it's my mistake rather than a bug. I found some some  
> correspondence about this in the list archives way back in 2002, but  
> nothing I can see more recent.
>
> TIA
>
> Graham
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Tue Aug  4 10:20:35 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:20:35 +0200
Subject: Problem with answer file(s)
In-Reply-To: <8C83E537-4ED9-4E7C-904E-6D4688E826FD@mac.com>
References: <8C83E537-4ED9-4E7C-904E-6D4688E826FD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4EA1D79A-2508-40CB-8082-0DB36484E301@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Graham,

> This seems extremely simple, but I can't get the following example  
> to work (the example comes from the Rev dictionary for Rev 3.5.0  
> build 870):
>
>> For example, to specify that only Revolution files should appear in  
>> the dialog box, use this statement. The description "Revolution  
>> files" is visible to the user at the bottom of the dialog, and only  
>> files with the extension ".rev" are shown:
>> answer file myPrompt with filter "Revolution files,*.rev"

this is the old Windows-only filter method.

> When I do this on an Intel Mac running Mac OS 10.5.7, the file  
> selection box appears but all the files (not just non- .rev files)  
> in the directory are dimmed and can't be selected. Same if I use the  
> "answer files" version, and also if I substitute "type" for  
> "filter". OTOH if I leave out the type/filter part of the statement,  
> I get the directory shown with all types of files (of course) and  
> the individual files are selectable and the expected list appears in  
> the "it" variable.
>
> I just want to see one type of file (not really .rev, but if that  
> example works then clearly I can do what I want).
>
> What am I doing wrong? Answer file has existed for a long time, so I  
> imagine it's my mistake rather than a bug. I found some some  
> correspondence about this in the list archives way back in 2002, but  
> nothing I can see more recent.

The crossplatform way is:
...
answer file myPrompt with TYPE "Revolution Stacks|rev|RSTK"
...

Check the docs answer file with TYPE" for more info.

> TIA
>
> Graham

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Aug  4 10:29:00 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:29:00 +0200
Subject: Problem with answer file(s)
In-Reply-To: <8C83E537-4ED9-4E7C-904E-6D4688E826FD@mac.com>
References: <8C83E537-4ED9-4E7C-904E-6D4688E826FD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A9E785A6-CCD2-4476-A23F-DC31B89F133C@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Graham,

Try something like this:

answer file "Select..." with type "Revolution Stacks|rev|RSTK"
answer file "Select..." with type "PNG files|png|PNGf" or type "JPEG  
files|jpeg,jpg|JPEG"

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software products to http://www.quickestpublisher.com and  
get found!

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On 4 aug 2009, at 16:06, Graham Samuel wrote:

> This seems extremely simple, but I can't get the following example  
> to work (the example comes from the Rev dictionary for Rev 3.5.0  
> build 870):
>
>> For example, to specify that only Revolution files should appear in  
>> the dialog box, use this statement. The description "Revolution  
>> files" is visible to the user at the bottom of the dialog, and only  
>> files with the extension ".rev" are shown:
>>  answer file myPrompt with filter "Revolution files,*.rev"
>
> When I do this on an Intel Mac running Mac OS 10.5.7, the file  
> selection box appears but all the files (not just non- .rev files)  
> in the directory are dimmed and can't be selected. Same if I use the  
> "answer files" version, and also if I substitute "type" for  
> "filter". OTOH if I leave out the type/filter part of the statement,  
> I get the directory shown with all types of files (of course) and  
> the individual files are selectable and the expected list appears in  
> the "it" variable.
>
> I just want to see one type of file (not really .rev, but if that  
> example works then clearly I can do what I want).
>
> What am I doing wrong? Answer file has existed for a long time, so I  
> imagine it's my mistake rather than a bug. I found some some  
> correspondence about this in the list archives way back in 2002, but  
> nothing I can see more recent.
>
> TIA
>
> Graham




From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug  4 13:31:35 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:31:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Digging Huge Files
In-Reply-To: <4A77A6EA.8090709@hindu.org>
References: <4A77A6EA.8090709@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <24812997.post@talk.nabble.com>


Some months ago, i ask in this list about
the limitation of reading files bigger than
2 gigabytes:
http://www.nabble.com/Problem-parsing-data-in-Gigabyte-size-text-files-td11438677.html#a11469329

and in this message thread, Jackeline reported
that this will be solved in next version:
http://www.nabble.com/More---Read-File-at->-2GB-Problem-td10764633.html#a10764633

Given that you are working with Gigabytes of log data,
Could you check if these limitations of reading files
bigger than 2 Gb still apply?

Thanks in advance!

al
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View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Digging-Huge-Files-tp24801658p24812997.html
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From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Aug  4 13:48:02 2009
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 18:48:02 +0100
Subject: Problem with answer file(s)
In-Reply-To: <20090804170004.5648B48AACE@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090804170004.5648B48AACE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDAA3C56-AEA6-4DF1-81CB-DAD4FD47CA20@mac.com>

Thanks to Ian, Klaus and Mark for replying. It seems then that the  
documentation is wrong (out of date). My real example, BTW, was

answer files "Select some KML files" with type "KML Files|kml|TEXT"

and this worked, although I had to guess that the files were of type  
TEXT (as they're kind of simple XML files this seemed the most  
likely). So it seems that the type TEXT has some meaning to the OS.

I would be perfectly happy if there was a simple filter on the  
traditional file extension, but there you are.

Incidentally, I did not expect to see the other (non-kml) files in the  
directory at all, but in fact they are visible but dimmed. Never mind.

Should I submit a bug report (for the documentation)?

Cheers

Graham

On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 15:20:00 +010, Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk>  
wrote:

> You need look up 'answer file with type' in the dictionary.
>
> As far as I can remember (unreliable!) of previous conversations about
> this, filtering in the normal answer file command is dependant on
> files having a file type assigned to them by the creating program,
> making it nearly useless in OS X because file types are pretty much
> deprecated in the OS.
>
> Ian

On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:20:35 +0200, Klaus Major <klaus at major.on- 
rev.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>
> this is the old Windows-only filter method.
> [...]
>
> The crossplatform way is:
> ...
> answer file myPrompt with TYPE "Revolution Stacks|rev|RSTK"
> ...
>
> Check the docs answer file with TYPE" for more info.
>
On Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:29:00 +0200, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com 
 > wrote:
>
>
>
> answer file "Select..." with type "Revolution Stacks|rev|RSTK"
> answer file "Select..." with type "PNG files|png|PNGf" or type "JPEG
> files|jpeg,jpg|JPEG"
>
On 4 aug 2009, at 16:06, I wrote:

> This seems extremely simple, but I can't get the following example
> to work (the example comes from the Rev dictionary for Rev 3.5.0
> build 870):
>
>> For example, to specify that only Revolution files should appear in
>> the dialog box, use this statement. The description "Revolution
>> files" is visible to the user at the bottom of the dialog, and only
>> files with the extension ".rev" are shown:
>> answer file myPrompt with filter "Revolution files,*.rev"
>
> When I do this on an Intel Mac running Mac OS 10.5.7, the file
> selection box appears but all the files (not just non- .rev files)
> in the directory are dimmed and can't be selected. Same if I use the
> "answer files" version, and also if I substitute "type" for
> "filter". OTOH if I leave out the type/filter part of the statement,
> I get the directory shown with all types of files (of course) and
> the individual files are selectable and the expected list appears in
> the "it" variable.
>
> I just want to see one type of file (not really .rev, but if that
> example works then clearly I can do what I want).
>
> What am I doing wrong? Answer file has existed for a long time, so I
> imagine it's my mistake rather than a bug. I found some some
> correspondence about this in the list archives way back in 2002, but
> nothing I can see more recent.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug  4 15:11:23 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 12:11:23 -0700
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
Message-ID: <4A7887DB.4080506@fourthworld.com>

Bernard Devlin wrote:

> This one is answered in the FAQ.  As I understand it, eventually one
> will be able to use the plugin as a player so that stacks build with
> revMedia can be run on the desktop.
> 
> See question 08 here:
> http://revmedia.runrev.com/frequently-asked-questions/known-issues/

Thanks for the link, Bernard.  Good to know, but since Media has had the 
ability to deploy to their Player for many years, I wonder why they went 
out of their way to remove that option.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From josh at dvcreators.net  Tue Aug  4 15:20:01 2009
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 12:20:01 -0700
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0908040155g284cce46l612f4c3208052e44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C69C7D7C.4222%kevin@runrev.com>
	<911CC9CC-0E56-4ACF-87DE-45995E329A0A@dvcreators.net>
	<edcc7e6b0908040155g284cce46l612f4c3208052e44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E9AD7C9-1049-4FC3-8799-CB51B528C7C2@dvcreators.net>


On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:55 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> stacks build with
> revMedia


What is the download link for the version of RevMedia that includes a  
development environment so a stack can be built?





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug  4 15:31:31 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 14:31:31 -0500
Subject: Digging Huge Files
In-Reply-To: <24812997.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4A77A6EA.8090709@hindu.org> <24812997.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A788C93.6070500@hyperactivesw.com>

capellan wrote:
> Some months ago, i ask in this list about
> the limitation of reading files bigger than
> 2 gigabytes:
> http://www.nabble.com/Problem-parsing-data-in-Gigabyte-size-text-files-td11438677.html#a11469329
> 
> and in this message thread, Jackeline reported
> that this will be solved in next version:
> http://www.nabble.com/More---Read-File-at->-2GB-Problem-td10764633.html#a10764633
> 
> Given that you are working with Gigabytes of log data,
> Could you check if these limitations of reading files
> bigger than 2 Gb still apply?

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5078>

Says it was fixed in 2.9.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 16:10:45 2009
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 13:10:45 -0700
Subject: Digging Huge Files
In-Reply-To: <4A788C93.6070500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A77A6EA.8090709@hindu.org> <24812997.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A788C93.6070500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260908041310k436d106doc3ac0d59466d2f4f@mail.gmail.com>

> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5078>
>
> Says it was fixed in 2.9.
>
>
I can confirm that this has been fixed and the 2 Gig limit is no longer in
place.

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Tue Aug  4 16:13:58 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 22:13:58 +0200
Subject: Message path and standalones
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70908031635u2c5b4cbct55c7005c6bb1d6d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <466A8866-ACCD-4480-B0A6-C3360D4027BB@mines-paristech.fr>
	<e5e009d70908031635u2c5b4cbct55c7005c6bb1d6d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <222E3AF7-C03C-4859-89D1-E1C0D626EC01@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 4 ao?t 09 ? 01:35, stephen barncard a ?crit :

> The 'splash screen method' is indeed a wonderful feature of Runrev,
> especially in a Macintosh standalone. And yes 'start using' works  
> fine in a
> standalone.
> But the path strategy is different for a standalone than working in  
> the IDE.
> The paths have to be specified in relation to the stack engine, not  
> the IDE
> engines and externals in their normal places on your drive.
>
> I won't run down the exact sequence of how to do it, but  a couple  
> of clues:
>
> use the 'effective filename of this stack' to get your standalones'  
> location
> (from within the running standalone code)
> and set the location of the stacks to include relative to that.  
> Relative
> addressing works.

I have tried the "insert" command (in back) in place of "start using"  
and it seems to work OK on my lil' test stack.

>
> ALSO
>
> remember you can
> open up the .app package and WORK DIRECTLY with those stacks in the
> IDE,   You don't have to rebuild the standalone each time,
> unless you add externals or need to add features from a newer  
> version of
> Runrev that wasn't there before.
>
> Not only can you edit, compile and run, you can also FIX stuff. And  
> you can
> leave the IDE idling while you test in the standalone.
>
> It's the speediest, easiest way to work.... for me at least...
>

yes, I have used it to check the attached stack in the IDE.

Thanks for your quick answer.

Cheers,
	Fran?ois



From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Aug  4 16:16:45 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:16:45 -0500
Subject: Horizontal Data Grid
Message-ID: <4A78972D.4080208@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Is there a way to get a Data Grid to scroll it's contents horizontally,
where each column becomes the line/item?

I know that I can space everything out over columns via the Tab key, but
clicking on 1 column results in the whole line being selected.  I only
want the column to hilite.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug  4 16:20:22 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:20:22 -0700
Subject: Helper apps, itms protocol, and us Rev folk
Message-ID: <4A789806.2020804@fourthworld.com>

Apple has invented an Internet protocol named "itms" ("iTunes Music 
Store") so folks can put links on their web pages and clicking on those 
links automatically launches iTunes to the specified URL.

While the links themselves are wrapped in JavaScript to attempt verify 
that they'll work first, a typical link resolves to something that looks 
like this:

<itms://ax.itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=80616768&amp;s=143441&amp;ign-mscache=1>

It appears that the iTunes installer registers the itms protocol when 
it's installed (prefab on OS X and using the Registry on Windows).

It would be helpful to have a similar behavior for our own apps, the 
ability to have links on our site to stack files which launch our own 
standalone to run them.

I've noticed that when using simple http links the user is asked (in FF 
and IE, anyway) whether they want to download the file or open it with a 
specific app, and they can specify your standalone and in some versions 
even check a box to always take that action when handling files of that 
type.

But that's a lot to ask of users.

I understand the security implications of having such setup happen 
automatically, but it sure would be convenient.

How does iTunes register its itms protocol, and can we do the same for 
our own apps?  Or is there a way to set up a Helper app to always handle 
files of a specific type?

I don't think it's too much to ask if such installation requires admin 
permissions, but it would be very handy to have some way to do this.

Any clues?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Aug  4 16:44:39 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:44:39 -0400
Subject: Helper apps, itms protocol, and us Rev folk
In-Reply-To: <4A789806.2020804@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A789806.2020804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C1AA408A-1398-461E-BF3B-A0897795F5DB@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 4, 2009, at 4:20 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Apple has invented an Internet protocol named "itms" ("iTunes Music  
> Store") so folks can put links on their web pages and clicking on  
> those links automatically launches iTunes to the specified URL.
>
> ...
>
> How does iTunes register its itms protocol, and can we do the same  
> for our own apps?  Or is there a way to set up a Helper app to  
> always handle files of a specific type?
>
> ...
>
> Any clues?

Here are some links I've posted previously on the subject.

Windows

Registering an Application to a URL Protocol
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa767914(VS.85).aspx>

OS X

HowToRegisterURLHandler
http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?HowToRegisterURLHandler

Apple Docs:
<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPRuntimeConfig/Articles/PListKeys.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20001431-102207 
 >

I think you need to handle the 'GURL' apple event in your application.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug  4 16:47:57 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 13:47:57 -0700
Subject: Helper apps, itms protocol, and us Rev folk
In-Reply-To: <4A789806.2020804@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A789806.2020804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A789E7D.8010507@fourthworld.com>

Follow-up:

Thanks to some links Trevor provided, this turns out to be fairly 
simple.  So simple, in fact, that it seems almost risky, but hey, what 
on the Internet isn't? :)

I just added this to one of my standalones' info.plist file:

<key>CFBundleURLTypes</key>
     <array>
         <dict>
             <key>CFBundleURLName</key>
             <string>com.fourthworld.fwrs</string>
             <key>CFBundleURLSchemes</key>
             <array>
                 <string>fwrs</string>
             </array>
         </dict>
     </array>

Then I used a URL to one of my Rev stacks, changing the protocol to 
"fwrs" (an arbitrary string for "Fourth World Rev Stack"):

<fwrs://www.fourthworld.net/revnet/Go_RevNet.rev>

In Safari it launches the app instantly.  In FF it presents a dialog 
asking the user to confirm my app as the handler for that protocol or 
choose another.  Not bad.

Looks like all I need to do to complete the implementation on OS X is to 
add a GURLGURL Apple event handler to actually download and open the stack.

Haven't tried the Win registry thang, but should be simple enough. 
Looks like the only script one needs is a one-liner to set the registry 
as per the example on the page Trevor provided the link for - here's 
Trevor's links:

Windows:
Registering an Application to a URL Protocol
<http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa767914(VS.85).aspx>

OS X:
HowToRegisterURLHandler
<http://www.cocoadev.com/index.pl?HowToRegisterURLHandler>
<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPRuntimeConfig/Articles/PListKeys.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/20001431-102207>


Thanks, Trevor.

Who would have thought something this potentially dangerous could be so 
simple?  Now all we need to launch a standalone is a link on a web page, 
a copy of the app installed, and a registry entry.  Cool (until it gets 
abused and they shut this option down).

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue Aug  4 19:32:39 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:32:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: delete last char in Datagrid
Message-ID: <24818097.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi,

I try to delete the last char from a editable cell of the datagrid but I
can't..

I have a numerical keyboard as images with the mouseup that send the number
to the focusedobject().

put "7" after the focusedobject 

This work fine, but if I want delete the last char, simulate the backspace
key, don't work.

delete the last char of the focusedobject


Also, is posible edit directly the cells of the datagrid without make a
doubleclick over the cell? 

Salut,
Josep
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Aug  4 19:34:54 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 00:34:54 +0100
Subject: Problem with answer file(s)
In-Reply-To: <EDAA3C56-AEA6-4DF1-81CB-DAD4FD47CA20@mac.com>
References: <20090804170004.5648B48AACE@mail.runrev.com>
	<EDAA3C56-AEA6-4DF1-81CB-DAD4FD47CA20@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E574DA97-1FCA-452C-BC07-8813AC6D8430@azurevision.co.uk>


On 4 Aug 2009, at 18:48, Graham Samuel wrote:

> My real example, BTW, was
>
> answer files "Select some KML files" with type "KML Files|kml|TEXT"
>
> and this worked, although I had to guess that the files were of type  
> TEXT (as they're kind of simple XML files this seemed the most  
> likely). So it seems that the type TEXT has some meaning to the OS.
>
> I would be perfectly happy if there was a simple filter on the  
> traditional file extension, but there you are.

According to the docs, the middle part of "KML Files|kml|TEXT" is  
filtering for the extension, and a quick test confirms it - leave the  
other parts empty and you can filter purely by extension. For example:

answer files "Pick a file:" with type "|txt|"

will only allow you to select a file with the extension '.txt',  
regardless of file type. Adding a type lets you also choose files by  
type (if they have a type). I'm assuming tags (the first part) are  
something to do with Windows.

Have you read the user notes by benr_mc for 'with type'? Very handy.

> Incidentally, I did not expect to see the other (non-kml) files in  
> the directory at all, but in fact they are visible but dimmed. Never  
> mind.

That's standard OS X behaviour - I can't think of any native OS X app  
that will actually hide files in an open file dialog box, other than  
files that are also hidden in the Finder.
This is one of the things that really throws me sometimes on Windows-   
I KNOW that a file is in a particular folder, but the open dialog  
initially doesn't show that file. Grrr.

> Should I submit a bug report (for the documentation)?

Depends. The docs for 'answer file with type' are correct as far as I  
can tell. The regular 'answer file' docs are rather less useful,  
though. :-(

Ian


From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue Aug  4 19:51:07 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:51:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: delete last char in Datagrid
In-Reply-To: <24818097.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <24818097.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <24818273.post@talk.nabble.com>


I'm testing with

delete the last char of fld the ID of the focusedobject

and get:

group "grp_back": execution error at line 11 (Chunk: no such object) near
"1158", char 4

Why?

Salut,
Josep


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From jmyepes at mac.com  Tue Aug  4 19:54:05 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 16:54:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: delete last char in Datagrid
In-Reply-To: <24818273.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <24818097.post@talk.nabble.com> <24818273.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <24818303.post@talk.nabble.com>


:)

Reply to myself:

delete the last char of fld ID the ID of the focusedobject

This work both fields and editable cells of the datagrid.


But how can edit directly the cell of the datagrid without making a
doubleclick?


Salut,
Josep
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue Aug  4 20:25:19 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 20:25:19 -0400
Subject: delete last char in Datagrid
In-Reply-To: <24818303.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <24818097.post@talk.nabble.com> <24818273.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<24818303.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <86F97D3A-DFC5-44F1-B8CA-AC940424C678@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 4, 2009, at 7:54 PM, Josep wrote:

> But how can edit directly the cell of the datagrid without making a
> doubleclick?

This lesson should do what you need. It shows you how to update data  
in a row (or cell).

How Do I Update Data In a Row?:
<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/5434-How-Do-I-Update-Data-In-a-Row- 
 >

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From josh at dvcreators.net  Tue Aug  4 21:39:04 2009
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 18:39:04 -0700
Subject: Not clear about revMedia vs revEnterprise
In-Reply-To: <2E9AD7C9-1049-4FC3-8799-CB51B528C7C2@dvcreators.net>
References: <C69C7D7C.4222%kevin@runrev.com>
	<911CC9CC-0E56-4ACF-87DE-45995E329A0A@dvcreators.net>
	<edcc7e6b0908040155g284cce46l612f4c3208052e44@mail.gmail.com>
	<2E9AD7C9-1049-4FC3-8799-CB51B528C7C2@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <6C71AE08-57A9-41A4-A6D0-D4974D0C5021@dvcreators.net>


On Aug 4, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote:

>
>
> What is the download link for the version of RevMedia that includes  
> a development environment so a stack can be built?
>


Ah, I think I found it:

http://revmedia.runrev.com/revmedia-alpha-program/


From katir at hindu.org  Tue Aug  4 22:48:07 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:48:07 -1000
Subject: Digging Huge Files
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260908041310k436d106doc3ac0d59466d2f4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A77A6EA.8090709@hindu.org>
	<24812997.post@talk.nabble.com>	<4A788C93.6070500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3f07cc260908041310k436d106doc3ac0d59466d2f4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A78F2E7.4030800@hindu.org>

Howard Bornstein wrote:
>> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5078>
>>
>> Says it was fixed in 2.9.
>>
>>
>>     
> I can confirm that this has been fixed and the 2 Gig limit is no longer in
> place.
>
>   
OK I built my script: it digs 6 access log files whose paths are in a 
field. each one is about 250MB in size. But, ad this is really weird. my 
algorithm for getting summary results must be off...

My resultant file of hits one PDF is always 4409 line long

but the summary results change each time I run the script even if I 
don't change the script!


one run

line: 4409

87.194.52.60 - - [05/Jul/2009:03:04:31 -0700] "GET 
/archives/2009/7-9/pdf/Hinduism-Today_Jul-Aug-Sep_2009.pdf HTTP/1.1" 206 
36757938 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; 
rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009060215 Firefox/3.0.11 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)"

Summary:
Downloaded with Revolution HT Navigator: 629
Complete Downloads via HT site: 1693
Partial Downloads 206's (mostly failures, some successes): 6801

second run

87.194.52.60 - - [05/Jul/2009:03:04:31 -0700] "GET 
/archives/2009/7-9/pdf/Hinduism-Today_Jul-Aug-Sep_2009.pdf HTTP/1.1" 206 
36757938 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-GB; 
rv:1.9.0.11) Gecko/2009060215 Firefox/3.0.11 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)"

Summary:
Downloaded with Revolution HT Navigator: 1039
Complete Downloads via HT site: 1283
Partial Downloads 206's (mostly failures, some successes): 6801

The 206 partial code is always the same but the hits for Rev downloads 
and 200 completed keep changing... I can't figure it out.

global tStart
local tPartials,tRevHits,tCompleted

on mouseUp
   put ticks() into tStart
   repeat for each line y in fld "path"
      put y & cr after tOutput
      open file y for read
      put 20000 into tStep
      put 1000 into tChunkSize
      put 1 & cr into tAccessLogFileChunk
        # need to initialize this each time otherwise is empty and 
skipped on next repeat
      repeat  until tAccessLogFileChunk is empty
         read from file y for tChunkSize lines
         put it into tAccessLogFileChunk
         put processLogs(tAccessLogFileChunk) & cr after tOutput
      end repeat
      close file y
   end repeat
   repeat 5 times
      replace (cr&cr) with cr in tOutput
   end repeat
  
   put cr & "Summary: " & Cr & "Downloaded with Revolution HT Navigator: 
" & tRevHits & cr after tOutput
   put "Complete Downloads via HT site: " & (tCompleted - tRevHits) & cr 
after tOutput
   put "Partial Downloads 206's (mostly failures, some successes): " & 
tPartials  after tOutput
  
   ask file "Where should we save this?" with "HT PDF July Downloads-Aug 
3 -June 28 .txt"
   put it into tURL
   put tOutput into url ("file:" & tURL)
   calcTime(tStart)
end mouseUp

function processLogs tAccessLogFileChunk
   put empty into tFoundLines
   repeat for each line x in tAccessLogFileChunk
      if x contains "Hinduism-Today_Jul-Aug-Sep_2009.pdf" then
         put x into y
         if y contains "Revolution" then add 1 to tRevHits
         put  ("1"&quote&"200 ") into tCompleteCode
         put  ("1"&quote&"206 ") into tPartialCode
         if y contains tCompleteCode then add 1 to tCompleted
         if y contains tPartialCode then add 1 to tPartials
         put empty into y
         put x & cr after tFoundLInes
      end if
     
     
   end repeat
   return tFoundLines
End processLogs


btw... time to dig 6 files 1.5 GB: 3 min 10 secs





From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Wed Aug  5 00:46:43 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 00:46:43 -0400
Subject: [teaser] for third party developers
Message-ID: <717D6457-A9BF-4FBD-965D-A8A6273C0D46@wehostmacs.com>

I have been working on this for quite some time now and have the  
majority of the basics working so am going to publicly mention it (a  
few knew about it privately)..

As the subject states, this is for the group of Rev developers who  
develop third party add-ons but it is also for anyone who uses any of  
those add-ons..

What is it? It is a small hack to the IDE (no changes are made to any  
of their files) that allows third party developers to place their  
documentation into the Revolution dictionary into a new category  
called "Third Party"..

Check out the latest screen capture < http://shaosean.tk/images/ 
teaser2.png > and anyone interested in testing it out, please feel  
free to email me < info AT shaosean DOT tk >

-Sean


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 04:57:23 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:57:23 +0100
Subject: [teaser] for third party developers
In-Reply-To: <717D6457-A9BF-4FBD-965D-A8A6273C0D46@wehostmacs.com>
References: <717D6457-A9BF-4FBD-965D-A8A6273C0D46@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908050157t1cc40154sce429755c35dbf28@mail.gmail.com>

Sean, I think this is a great idea.  Not only would it centralize
documentation for different libraries, but it could also serve as a
kind of advert/reminder of those libraries.

Many users of this list have written a wide variety of helpful
libraries.  If these libraries could have their documentation listed
with Rev in this 'Third Party' category, then once someone had Rev
installed merely by looking through this category they would see how
many great solutions have been written using Rev.

I'm thinking that this would need some approval from Runrev, e.g. a
format for the docs (you wouldn't want this broken if the docs
changed).  And it would require the people who write the libraries to
e.g. make their documentation conform to that format and either submit
their documentation to Runrev for inclusion or make it available at a
network reachable URL so that the Dictionary could go out to the
internet and harvest the documentation.

Just imagine how many features this would add to a Rev user's toolkit:
date manipulation libraries, S3, mail, growl, curl, enhanced
quicktime, error reporting, JSON, ip address resolution, kiosk mode,
etc.  I'm sure there are many more that I don't even remember.

Obviously the new data grid documentation could also be included
(although I imagine that's already on the cards for inclusion in the
main dicationary).

Alternatively, maybe we can set up a single website where developers
could submit their formatted documentation, and then there would only
be one place for the Dictionary to check to see if there is new
documentation to add.

Maybe some developers would prefer to just keep their stuff
exclusively on their own site, as a way of drawing attention to the
other things they do.

I can imagine that if Runrev were to make any official way to add to
the docs, they would want to distance themselves from the third party
libraries.

Anyway, I think it would be a way of making the whole Rev ecosphere
stronger.  I've seen it mentioned many times that only a small
fraction of users will ever post a question to a mailing list or
forum.  They might just download Rev, think Rev can't do what they
want, and forget about Rev.

Bernard

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:46 AM, Shao Sean<shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:
> I have been working on this for quite some time now and have the majority of
> the basics working so am going to publicly mention it (a few knew about it
> privately)..
>
> As the subject states, this is for the group of Rev developers who develop
> third party add-ons but it is also for anyone who uses any of those
> add-ons..
>
> What is it? It is a small hack to the IDE (no changes are made to any of
> their files) that allows third party developers to place their documentation
> into the Revolution dictionary into a new category called "Third Party"..
>
> Check out the latest screen capture < http://shaosean.tk/images/teaser2.png
>> and anyone interested in testing it out, please feel free to email me <
> info AT shaosean DOT tk >
>
> -Sean
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Aug  5 09:16:19 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:16:19 +0200
Subject: [script optimization challenge] Multi dimensional array filtering
In-Reply-To: <20090804170004.9B55048AAD0@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090804170004.9B55048AAD0@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de>

Hey all,

I just try to implement a life search on a datagrid. I was doing this  
with the dgtext property. However this turns out to be too slow on  
elder machines if there are many records (30k +) Now I am trying to  
instead of setting the dgtext, to work with the dgdata. This could  
speed up the whole process quite a lot, as the data would not need to  
be turned into an array again by the data grid. Problem: arrays can  
not be filtered. So what I would like to do is find the quickest  
script that simulates array filtering in n dimensions if at any rate  
possible. My clumsy first try looks like this. This only "filters" the  
second level yet, so turning this into a function for n-levels deep  
would be ideal. :)

on mouseUp
    local testarray,tprocess,test
    repeat with i=1 to 30000
       put any item of "meier,m?ller,john,doe" into testarray[i]["name"]
    end repeat
    answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray
    put the millisecs into test
    put the keys of testarray into tprocess
    repeat for each line theLine in tprocess
       if testarray[theline]["name"]="john" then
          delete variable testarray[theline]
       end if
    end repeat
    answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray&cr&the  
millisecs-test
end mouseUp

This runs in 31 ms on my machine (Intel MacBook first gen, 2.16 GHz).  
I would like to have this quicker if possible. Also I?d like the  
runtime on your machines, especially Macs pre Intel era.

Any thoughts highly appreciated.

All the best,

Malte

From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Aug  5 09:26:19 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:26:19 +0200
Subject: [script optimization challenge] Multi dimensional array
	filtering
In-Reply-To: <62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de>
References: <20090804170004.9B55048AAD0@mail.runrev.com>
	<62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <F40D2F3D-A50B-401D-9A1F-B852061C96D0@ezpzapps.com>


On Aug 5, 2009, at 3:16 PM, Malte Brill wrote:

>  Also I?d like the runtime on your machines, especially Macs pre  
> Intel era.

17" PB  PPC G4   2 GB Ram   mac os version:  10.5.7

84 ms

sims



From dam-pro.girard at laposte.net  Wed Aug  5 10:46:47 2009
From: dam-pro.girard at laposte.net (dam-pro.girard at laposte.net)
Date: Wed,  5 Aug 2009 16:46:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [teaser] for third party developers
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0908050157t1cc40154sce429755c35dbf28@mail.gmail.com>
References: <717D6457-A9BF-4FBD-965D-A8A6273C0D46@wehostmacs.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908050157t1cc40154sce429755c35dbf28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3603578.32193.1249483607054.JavaMail.www@wwinf8203>

Sean, this is a really great things!

I contact you off-list on how to integrate your extension inside NativeDoc.

Damien Girard
Dam-pro, France.
http://www.dam-pro.com -> Check out the new website!

> Message du 05/08/09 10:57
> De : "Bernard Devlin"
> A : "How to use Revolution"
> Copie ? :
> Objet : Re: [teaser] for third party developers
>
>
> Sean, I think this is a great idea. Not only would it centralize
> documentation for different libraries, but it could also serve as a
> kind of advert/reminder of those libraries.
>
> Many users of this list have written a wide variety of helpful
> libraries. If these libraries could have their documentation listed
> with Rev in this 'Third Party' category, then once someone had Rev
> installed merely by looking through this category they would see how
> many great solutions have been written using Rev.
>
> I'm thinking that this would need some approval from Runrev, e.g. a
> format for the docs (you wouldn't want this broken if the docs
> changed). And it would require the people who write the libraries to
> e.g. make their documentation conform to that format and either submit
> their documentation to Runrev for inclusion or make it available at a
> network reachable URL so that the Dictionary could go out to the
> internet and harvest the documentation.
>
> Just imagine how many features this would add to a Rev user's toolkit:
> date manipulation libraries, S3, mail, growl, curl, enhanced
> quicktime, error reporting, JSON, ip address resolution, kiosk mode,
> etc. I'm sure there are many more that I don't even remember.
>
> Obviously the new data grid documentation could also be included
> (although I imagine that's already on the cards for inclusion in the
> main dicationary).
>
> Alternatively, maybe we can set up a single website where developers
> could submit their formatted documentation, and then there would only
> be one place for the Dictionary to check to see if there is new
> documentation to add.
>
> Maybe some developers would prefer to just keep their stuff
> exclusively on their own site, as a way of drawing attention to the
> other things they do.
>
> I can imagine that if Runrev were to make any official way to add to
> the docs, they would want to distance themselves from the third party
> libraries.
>
> Anyway, I think it would be a way of making the whole Rev ecosphere
> stronger. I've seen it mentioned many times that only a small
> fraction of users will ever post a question to a mailing list or
> forum. They might just download Rev, think Rev can't do what they
> want, and forget about Rev.
>
> Bernard
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:46 AM, Shao Sean wrote:
> > I have been working on this for quite some time now and have the majority of
> > the basics working so am going to publicly mention it (a few knew about it
> > privately)..
> >
> > As the subject states, this is for the group of Rev developers who develop
> > third party add-ons but it is also for anyone who uses any of those
> > add-ons..
> >
> > What is it? It is a small hack to the IDE (no changes are made to any of
> > their files) that allows third party developers to place their documentation
> > into the Revolution dictionary into a new category called "Third Party"..
> >
> > Check out the latest screen capture < http://shaosean.tk/images/teaser2.png
> >> and anyone interested in testing it out, please feel free to email me <
> > info AT shaosean DOT tk >
> >
> > -Sean
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> > preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Aug  5 11:34:36 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:34:36 +0100
Subject: [script optimization challenge] Multi dimensional array
	filtering
In-Reply-To: <62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de>
References: <20090804170004.9B55048AAD0@mail.runrev.com>
	<62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908050834y3474a87au832dd65cfd2c5cea@mail.gmail.com>

Malte,
I don't know if there would be any improvement in what I am telling you but
what if you combined the array, filtered the lines and split up again?

Andre

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I just try to implement a life search on a datagrid. I was doing this with
> the dgtext property. However this turns out to be too slow on elder machines
> if there are many records (30k +) Now I am trying to instead of setting the
> dgtext, to work with the dgdata. This could speed up the whole process quite
> a lot, as the data would not need to be turned into an array again by the
> data grid. Problem: arrays can not be filtered. So what I would like to do
> is find the quickest script that simulates array filtering in n dimensions
> if at any rate possible. My clumsy first try looks like this. This only
> "filters" the second level yet, so turning this into a function for n-levels
> deep would be ideal. :)
>
> on mouseUp
>   local testarray,tprocess,test
>   repeat with i=1 to 30000
>      put any item of "meier,m?ller,john,doe" into testarray[i]["name"]
>   end repeat
>   answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray
>   put the millisecs into test
>   put the keys of testarray into tprocess
>   repeat for each line theLine in tprocess
>      if testarray[theline]["name"]="john" then
>         delete variable testarray[theline]
>      end if
>   end repeat
>   answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray&cr&the millisecs-test
> end mouseUp
>
> This runs in 31 ms on my machine (Intel MacBook first gen, 2.16 GHz). I
> would like to have this quicker if possible. Also I?d like the runtime on
> your machines, especially Macs pre Intel era.
>
> Any thoughts highly appreciated.
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte_______________________________________________
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From martyknapp at comcast.net  Wed Aug  5 11:46:39 2009
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 08:46:39 -0700
Subject: Installer & Standalone Settings
In-Reply-To: <4A789E7D.8010507@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A789806.2020804@fourthworld.com>
	<4A789E7D.8010507@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A79A95F.5030204@comcast.net>

I'm getting ready to distribute a Mac only standalone that has some 
stacks that I'll need to put into a folder within the Application 
support folder. Would it be a good choice to make my own installer 
program with Rev and suck up the App and all needed stacks into custom 
properties, then upon installation place things where I need?

I'll be using the splash screen style standalone along with with these 
various stacks, and there will be stacks that the user will create with 
the program - do I keep the .rev extension on these stacks or use 
something else? Are there rules or suggestions related to this? I assume 
that the "Document Type," "Document Extension" and "Signature" fields in 
the Standalone settings (OSX pane) are for this purpose, though I don't 
see anything about these in the docs, nor could I find anything on this 
elsewhere.

My current testing shows that stacks saved from my Rev built standalone 
and using the ".rev" extension show as "Metacard Stacks" when I get info 
on them, and the "Open with" menu shows a program that I downloaded some 
time back that was apparently created as a Metacard standalone . . . I 
do have other Rev created standalones on my drive but the Finder doesn't 
think they're the owner of my test stacks. Kinda strange . . .

At any rate, thanks for any input and suggestions.

Marty Knapp


From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Aug  5 11:51:43 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:51:43 +0100
Subject: [script optimization challenge] Multi dimensional array
	filtering
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10908050834y3474a87au832dd65cfd2c5cea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090804170004.9B55048AAD0@mail.runrev.com>
	<62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de> 
	<7c87a2a10908050834y3474a87au832dd65cfd2c5cea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908050851v66b6f70cvc6c2c9ef3f6797f7@mail.gmail.com>

Malte,
On my machine, your original code took between 28 and 31 milisecs,
this code here:

on mouseUp
?? local testarray,tprocess,test
?? repeat with i=1 to 30000
? ? ? put any item of "meier,m?ller,john,doe" into testarray[i]["name"]
?? end repeat
?? answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray
?? put the millisecs into test
?? repeat for each key x in testarray
? ? ? if testarray[x]["name"]="john" then
?? ? ? ? delete variable testarray[theline]
? ? ? end if
?? end repeat
?? answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray&cr&the millisecs-test
end mouseUp

Takes about 19 milisecs, so it's good improvement.
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Andre Garzia <andre at andregarzia.com> wrote:
>
> Malte,
> I don't know if there would be any improvement in what I am telling you but what if you combined the array, filtered the lines and split up again?
> Andre
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I just try to implement a life search on a datagrid. I was doing this with the dgtext property. However this turns out to be too slow on elder machines if there are many records (30k +) Now I am trying to instead of setting the dgtext, to work with the dgdata. This could speed up the whole process quite a lot, as the data would not need to be turned into an array again by the data grid. Problem: arrays can not be filtered. So what I would like to do is find the quickest script that simulates array filtering in n dimensions if at any rate possible. My clumsy first try looks like this. This only "filters" the second level yet, so turning this into a function for n-levels deep would be ideal. :)
>>
>> on mouseUp
>> ? local testarray,tprocess,test
>> ? repeat with i=1 to 30000
>> ? ? ?put any item of "meier,m?ller,john,doe" into testarray[i]["name"]
>> ? end repeat
>> ? answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray
>> ? put the millisecs into test
>> ? put the keys of testarray into tprocess
>> ? repeat for each line theLine in tprocess
>> ? ? ?if testarray[theline]["name"]="john" then
>> ? ? ? ? delete variable testarray[theline]
>> ? ? ?end if
>> ? end repeat
>> ? answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray&cr&the millisecs-test
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> This runs in 31 ms on my machine (Intel MacBook first gen, 2.16 GHz). I would like to have this quicker if possible. Also I?d like the runtime on your machines, especially Macs pre Intel era.
>>
>> Any thoughts highly appreciated.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Malte_______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Aug  5 12:03:40 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:03:40 -0700
Subject: Digging Huge Files
In-Reply-To: <4A78F2E7.4030800@hindu.org>
References: <4A77A6EA.8090709@hindu.org> <24812997.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A788C93.6070500@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3f07cc260908041310k436d106doc3ac0d59466d2f4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A78F2E7.4030800@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <37693869375.20090805090340@ahsoftware.net>

Sivakatirswami-

Well, your tCompleted also remains constant - it's just the ratio of
download locations that changes. Which makes sense, since what you're
displaying is

line 1: tRevHits
line 2: tCompleted - tRevHits

Also, are you really saying put ("1"&quote&"200 ") into tCompleteCode?
Shouldn't that be put ("1"&quote&&"200") into tCompleteCode?
>From your output it looks like you're trying to trap the (1.1" 200)
string, which has a space *before* the 200. Same thing for the 206.

You don't say where the mouseUp handler is located, but since you're
not initializing your variables to zero before running, could there be
some leftover garbage in there from the previous run?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 12:10:30 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 17:10:30 +0100
Subject: [script optimization challenge] Multi dimensional array
	filtering
In-Reply-To: <62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de>
References: <20090804170004.9B55048AAD0@mail.runrev.com>
	<62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908050910p5b8a8488t678618415dbcb76@mail.gmail.com>

Malte, using your original handler I was getting an approx time of
22ms.  Creating a new array instead of deleting the variable (see
below) gives me an approx time of 7ms.

Will that work for you?  It's very significantly faster.

Powerbook G4 PPC 1.67ghz

Bernard


on mouseUp
   local testarray,tprocess,test
   repeat with i=1 to 30000
      put any item of "meier,m?ller,john,doe" into testarray[i]["name"]
   end repeat
   answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray
   put the millisecs into test
   put the keys of testarray into tprocess
   repeat for each line theLine in tprocess
      if testarray[theline]["name"]="john" then
         put "john" into tNewArray[theLine]
      end if
   end repeat
   answer the number of lines of the keys of tNewArray&cr&the millisecs-test
end mouseUp

On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Malte Brill<revolution at derbrill.de> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> I just try to implement a life search on a datagrid. I was doing this with
> the dgtext property. However this turns out to be too slow on elder machines
> if there are many records (30k +) Now I am trying to instead of setting the
> dgtext, to work with the dgdata. This could speed up the whole process quite
> a lot, as the data would not need to be turned into an array again by the
> data grid. Problem: arrays can not be filtered. So what I would like to do
> is find the quickest script that simulates array filtering in n dimensions
> if at any rate possible. My clumsy first try looks like this. This only
> "filters" the second level yet, so turning this into a function for n-levels
> deep would be ideal. :)
>
> on mouseUp
> ? local testarray,tprocess,test
> ? repeat with i=1 to 30000
> ? ? ?put any item of "meier,m?ller,john,doe" into testarray[i]["name"]
> ? end repeat
> ? answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray
> ? put the millisecs into test
> ? put the keys of testarray into tprocess
> ? repeat for each line theLine in tprocess
> ? ? ?if testarray[theline]["name"]="john" then
> ? ? ? ? delete variable testarray[theline]
> ? ? ?end if
> ? end repeat
> ? answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray&cr&the millisecs-test
> end mouseUp
>
> This runs in 31 ms on my machine (Intel MacBook first gen, 2.16 GHz). I
> would like to have this quicker if possible. Also I?d like the runtime on
> your machines, especially Macs pre Intel era.
>


From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Wed Aug  5 12:37:53 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:37:53 -0700
Subject: cookbook for putting Rev app on the web?
Message-ID: <4A79B561.8040307@castandcrew.com>

Greetings,

Is there a simple cookbook list somewhere of how to convert a stand 
alone application to a web application?  Something like

1) recompile using these settings
2) put this code on your web page
3) put your executable here on the server
4) you are done

or similar?

Mahalo
Sadhu



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Aug  5 12:47:30 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:47:30 -0700
Subject: [script optimization challenge] Multi dimensional array
	filtering
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10908050834y3474a87au832dd65cfd2c5cea@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090804170004.9B55048AAD0@mail.runrev.com>
	<62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de>
	<7c87a2a10908050834y3474a87au832dd65cfd2c5cea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <121696499671.20090805094730@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

Wednesday, August 5, 2009, 8:34:36 AM, you wrote:

> I don't know if there would be any improvement in what I am telling you but
> what if you combined the array, filtered the lines and split up again?

I thought so too, but the combine operator seems to be pretty slow. In
addition, I couldn't figure out how to get combine to work with a
multidimensional array...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Aug  5 12:50:49 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 09:50:49 -0700
Subject: [script optimization challenge] Multi dimensional array
	filtering
In-Reply-To: <62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de>
References: <20090804170004.9B55048AAD0@mail.runrev.com>
	<62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <22696698968.20090805095049@ahsoftware.net>

Malte-

Here's my attempt. Putting the results into a variable instead of an
array element seems to shave about 25% off the total run time. I'm
assuming you want the results here rather than just a count - doing a
total count is quite a bit faster than accumulating the actual hits.

on mouseUp
    local testarray,tprocess,test
    local newVar

    put empty into newVar
    repeat with i=1 to 30000
        put any item of "meier,m?ller,john,doe" into testarray[i]["name"]
    end repeat
    put the millisecs into test
    put the keys of testarray into tprocess
    repeat for each line x in tprocess
        if "john" is in testarray[x]["name"] then
            put x & cr after newVar
        end if
    end repeat
    answer the number of lines of newVar & cr & the millisecs-test
end mouseUp

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Wed Aug  5 13:01:40 2009
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:01:40 EDT
Subject: QTVR no longer works on new Windows computers
Message-ID: <cef.5d83fb7c.37ab14f4@aol.com>

Up to now, I have incorporated QTVR in the Quicktime Player in my Rev 
standalones, and it has worked well on both Mac and Windows.   However, the newer 
Windows computers with   64 bit operating systems, while continuing to 
support the showing of Quicktime movies, apparently do not support viewing QTVR 
panoramas, as reported by other users on the web.   QTVR panoramas thus do 
not appear in Rev standalones.
Does anyone know of a workaround for this problem, or whether Apple plans 
to update its Quicktime Player to support QTVR on new Windows computers?   
Thanks.
Stephen Goldberg


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Aug  5 13:05:06 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 13:05:06 -0400
Subject: QTVR no longer works on new Windows computers
In-Reply-To: <cef.5d83fb7c.37ab14f4@aol.com>
References: <cef.5d83fb7c.37ab14f4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7942DB6B-80D8-4CAE-BCFE-290D0B23F513@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 5, 2009, at 1:01 PM, Stgoldberg at aol.com wrote:

> Does anyone know of a workaround for this problem, or whether Apple  
> plans
> to update its Quicktime Player to support QTVR on new Windows  
> computers?

I filed a bug report on this and have been exchanging emails with  
someone at Apple over the last few days regarding this issue. I don't  
know when/if Apple will fix it but they are being proactive and have  
been collecting data on the make/model/video card driver of computers  
that fail to display QTVR.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From briany at qldlearning.com  Wed Aug  5 13:20:05 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:20:05 -0700
Subject: [script optimization challenge] Multi dimensional array
	filtering
In-Reply-To: <62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de>
References: <20090804170004.9B55048AAD0@mail.runrev.com>
	<62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <F36169F2-A355-47C2-A7BC-B6154C725E4F@qldlearning.com>

Malte,

Beyond the ideas already presented, the only thing I can think of -  
and this would be a bit of work - is that if there are particular  
fields you know you will want to filter on, you could maintain a  
*sorted* copy of dgdata. For example, if you had a copy of dgdata  
sorted by name, you could filter on name very quickly using a binary  
search.

> Hey all,
>
> I just try to implement a life search on a datagrid. I was doing  
> this with the dgtext property. However this turns out to be too slow  
> on elder machines if there are many records (30k +) Now I am trying  
> to instead of setting the dgtext, to work with the dgdata. This  
> could speed up the whole process quite a lot, as the data would not  
> need to be turned into an array again by the data grid. Problem:  
> arrays can not be filtered. So what I would like to do is find the  
> quickest script that simulates array filtering in n dimensions if at  
> any rate possible. My clumsy first try looks like this. This only  
> "filters" the second level yet, so turning this into a function for  
> n-levels deep would be ideal. :)
>
> on mouseUp
>  local testarray,tprocess,test
>  repeat with i=1 to 30000
>     put any item of "meier,m?ller,john,doe" into testarray[i]["name"]
>  end repeat
>  answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray
>  put the millisecs into test
>  put the keys of testarray into tprocess
>  repeat for each line theLine in tprocess
>     if testarray[theline]["name"]="john" then
>        delete variable testarray[theline]
>     end if
>  end repeat
>  answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray&cr&the  
> millisecs-test
> end mouseUp
>
> This runs in 31 ms on my machine (Intel MacBook first gen, 2.16  
> GHz). I would like to have this quicker if possible. Also I?d like  
> the runtime on your machines, especially Macs pre Intel era.
>
> Any thoughts highly appreciated.
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Aug  5 14:56:43 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 20:56:43 +0200
Subject: revlet and path
Message-ID: <2F4A92CC-83F1-4B65-A07F-1350764E70C8@skynet.be>

Hi list

Here is a very simple script :

on mouseUp
     put empty into fld "resultat"
    set itemDel to "/"
    put item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack into tPath
    set itemDel to comma
    put tPath into fld "resultat"
end mouseUp

In the IDE, it gives the right path
when I build a revlet, put it on my server and open it with Safari, it  
gives ... nothing ! fld "resultat" stays empty

Any idea ?

Thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Aug  5 15:05:26 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:05:26 -0700
Subject: Chunks vs Arrays - surprising benchmarking results
Message-ID: <4A79D7F6.7050404@fourthworld.com>

The "Multi dimensional array filtering" thread reminded me of a 
benchmarking test I've been wanting to do for some time, and since I 
have some tasks coming up on a client project which needs this sort of 
stuff it was a good time to dive in.

The goal is simple enough:  one of the most common tasks I need to 
perform with my data is querying specific fields for criteria, and if 
there's a match then assembling the data from a given set of fields for 
display in a list to the user.

I've been using simple tab-delimited lists for this data because it was 
about as compact as it could be and performs reasonably well.  But with 
multi-dimensional arrays, the question is whether Rev's fast hash index 
into array data might help me gather the data from specific fields in 
each record faster than using chunk expressions.

So I took a minute to put together a simple test stack:
<http://fourthworldlabs.com/rev/speed%20test%20chunks%20vs%20arrays.rev.zip>

It has a field containing a list of contact info, another field for 
displaying the test results, and a third for displaying the gathered 
data from the query so I can verify that it's doing what I want it to.

If you download the stack you'll see that in addition to the "Test" 
button there's another one there which converts the list data into an 
array and stores that in a custom property of the field, needed for 
testing the array method.

The code for the "Test" button is below, and I would appreciate anyone 
here who has the time to look it over and see what I may have missed, 
because the results I'm getting are not what I expected.

The test script is typical of many of the tasks I need to perform on 
this data:  it checks one field to see if it contains a value, checks 
another to see if it contains a different value, and if both are true it 
collects data from three fields into a tab- and return-delimited list so 
I can drop it into a list field to display the output.

I had assumed that using chunk expressions to access items in each line 
would be slower than using array notation to get them through the hash 
in the array.  But instead here's the result I'm getting (times are in 
milliseconds for 100 iterations):

GetFromList: 72
GetFromSubArray: 752
GetFromMainArray: 407
All results the same?: true

As noted in the code below, the GetFromList handler uses simple chunk 
expressions to parse the data; GetFromSubArray uses "repeat for each 
element" to parse out the second-tier array within each record; 
GetFromMainArray walks through the keys to get the data from the main 
array by addressing both dimensions; the last line simply lets me know 
that all three are returning the same result.

I can understand why GetFromSubArray is the slowest, since it has to 
instantiate an array for the second-tier array each time through the 
loop (using "repeat for each element...").

But I had hoped that accessing the main array by specifying the elements 
in both dimensions would get to the data more quickly than would be 
needed when asking the engine to count items, but apparently not.

Of course there is a scaling issue with chunk expressions.  In my sample 
data there are only eight items in each record, but if there were 
several hundred I would imagine it wouldn't perform as well as the array 
methods.  But in my case most of the data I work with has fewer than 30 
fields and since chunk expressions are measuring about five times faster 
   I would expect I'd need many more than that before chunk expressions 
drop below arrays in relative performance.

The same could be said of the size of the data within each item, since 
that will adversely affect the time the engine needs to walk through it 
looking for item delimiters.  But again, it's not often that I have 
field data that's very long (the contact list is a good example, in 
which the longest field data is under 200 chars), and the engine's 
seeking of delimiters seems reasonably efficient.

Another minor drawback to arrays for this sort of thing is what it does 
to the size of the data, esp. if you use meaningful names for your 
fields rather than just numbers:  while simple tab-delimited data needs 
only one set of field names and a function to translate those into item 
numbers before dropping into any loop that uses them, arrays replicate 
the field names for each record.  The longer the field names, the more 
impact this will have on data size.

I'd be happy to accept this as a trade-off if the speed justified it, 
but in my test the speed benefit just isn't there for this type of 
querying task.

Any thoughts on how I might optimize the array functions?  Did I just 
overlook something obvious which would make them run faster?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


------ code for Test button -------------

on mouseUp
   put empty into fld "Results"
   put empty into fld "Output"
   wait 0 with messages -- so clearing fields is visible
   --
   -- Number of iterations:
   put 100 into n
   --
   -- Test simple chunk expressions:
   put the millisecs into t
   repeat n
     put GetFromList() into tResult1
   end repeat
   put the millisecs - t into t1
   --
   -- Test sub-array method:
   put the millisecs into t
   repeat n
     put GetFromSubArray() into tResult2
   end repeat
   put the millisecs - t into t2
   --
   -- Test main array method:
   put the millisecs into t
   repeat n
     put GetFromMainArray() into tResult3
   end repeat
   put the millisecs - t into t3
   --
   -- Display results:
   put tResult2 into fld "Output"
   put "GetFromList: "&t1 &cr\
       &"GetFromSubArray: "&t2 &cr\
       &"GetFromMainArray: "& t3 &cr\
       & "All results the same?: "&\
          ((tResult1 = tResult2) AND (tResult2 = tResult3)) \
       into fld "Results"
end mouseUp


--
-- GetFromList
-- Uses simple item and line chunk expressions to access specific data
-- elements.
--
function GetFromList
   put empty into tList
   set the itemdel to tab
   put fld 1 into tData
   repeat for each line tLine in tData
     if item 1 of tLine contains "A" and item 4 of tLine contains "4" then
       put item 1 of tLine &tab& item 3 of tLine &tab& item 5 of tLine \
        &cr after tList
     end if
   end repeat
   delete last char of tList -- trailing CR
   sort lines of tList
   return tList
end GetFromList


--
-- GetFromSubArray
-- Walks through each element in the two-dimensional array tDataA
-- by putting each into a sub-array tRecordA, then accesses specific
-- elements of tRecordA to get specific field data.
--
function GetFromSubArray
   put empty into tList
   put the uDataA of fld 1 into tDataA
   repeat for each element tRecordA in tDataA
     if tRecordA[1] contains "A" and tRecordA[4] contains "4" then
       put tRecordA[1] &tab& tRecordA[3] &tab& tRecordA[5] &\
        cr after tList
     end if
   end repeat
   delete last char of tList -- trailing CR
   sort lines of tList
   return tList
end GetFromSubArray


--
-- GetFromMainArray
-- First obtains a list of keys of the main array, and uses these
-- to walk through it, accessing specific elements by that main
-- key and a sub-key.
--
function GetFromMainArray
   put empty into tList
   put the uDataA of fld 1 into tDataA
   repeat for each key tKey in tDataA
     if tDataA[tKey][1] contains "A" and tDataA[tKey][4] contains "4" then
       put tDataA[tKey][1] &tab& tDataA[tKey][3] &tab&\
         tDataA[tKey][5] &cr after tList
     end if
   end repeat
   delete last char of tList -- trailing CR
   sort lines of tList
   return tList
end GetFromMainArray

###


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Aug  5 15:08:11 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:08:11 -0700
Subject: revlet and path
Message-ID: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>

Yves COPPE wrote:
> Here is a very simple script :
> 
> on mouseUp
>      put empty into fld "resultat"
>     set itemDel to "/"
>     put item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack into tPath
>     set itemDel to comma
>     put tPath into fld "resultat"
> end mouseUp
> 
> In the IDE, it gives the right path
> when I build a revlet, put it on my server and open it with Safari, it  
> gives ... nothing ! fld "resultat" stays empty
> 
> Any idea ?

The stack file on your server isn't the one that's running.  Like web 
pages, what the browser gets is a downloaded copy of the stack file. 
This copy lives in RAM, so its fileName will be empty.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From katir at hindu.org  Wed Aug  5 15:21:14 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 09:21:14 -1000
Subject: Digging Huge Files
In-Reply-To: <37693869375.20090805090340@ahsoftware.net>
References: <4A77A6EA.8090709@hindu.org>
	<24812997.post@talk.nabble.com>	<4A788C93.6070500@hyperactivesw.com>	<3f07cc260908041310k436d106doc3ac0d59466d2f4f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A78F2E7.4030800@hindu.org>
	<37693869375.20090805090340@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A79DBAA.5020908@hindu.org>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Sivakatirswami-
>
> Well, your tCompleted also remains constant - it's just the ratio of
> download locations that changes. Which makes sense, since what you're
> displaying is
>
> line 1: tRevHits
> line 2: tCompleted - tRevHits
>
> Also, are you really saying put ("1"&quote&"200 ") into tCompleteCode?
> Shouldn't that be put ("1"&quote&&"200") into tCompleteCode?
> >From your output it looks like you're trying to trap the (1.1" 200)
> string, which has a space *before* the 200. Same thing for the 206.
>
> You don't say where the mouseUp handler is located, but since you're
> not initializing your variables to zero before running, could there be
> some leftover garbage in there from the previous run?
>
>   

Mark. Thanks for the pointers. It works now, but I have to wonder as 
there is some serious gremlin hiding here:

1) I thought local variables are always initialized to empty after each 
run of  script.
Is there something I'm missing there?

global tStart
local tPartials,tRevHits,tCompleted # these were acting as globals?

2) OK we know that

 if x contains "Hinduism-Today_Jul-Aug-Sep_2009.pdf" then       
            put x & cr after tFoundLInes
        end if

works, consistently thru each run because it returns 4405 GET requests for the PDF on each run of the script.

*BUT*

if the string

1"&quote&&"200"

does not even exist in those 4405 found lines how is any number returned at all?

       
  if x contains "Hinduism-Today_Jul-Aug-Sep_2009.pdf" then 
         put x into z
         if z contains "Revolution" then add 1 to tRevHits
         put  ("1.1"&quote&"200 ") into tCompleteCode
         put  ("1.1"&quote&"206 ") into tPartialCode
         if z contains tCompleteCode then add 1 to tCompleted # should not increment
         if z contains tPartialCode then add 1 to tPartials # should not increment
         put empty into z
         put x & cr after tFoundLInes
      end if

but we get:

Summary: 
Downloaded with Revolution HT Navigator: 834
Complete Downloads via HT site: 1488 # should be 0
Partial Downloads 206's (mostly failures, some successes): 6801 # should be 0

3) I took your suggestions initialized the vars and fixed the string.



on mouseUp
   put 0 into tPartials
   put 0 into tRevHits
   put 0 into tCompleted

 if x contains "Hinduism-Today_Jul-Aug-Sep_2009.pdf" then 
         put x into z
         if z contains "Revolution" then add 1 to tRevHits
         put  ("1.1"&quote&" 200 ") into tCompleteCode
         put  ("1.1"&quote&" 206 ") into tPartialCode
         if z contains tCompleteCode then add 1 to tCompleted
         if z contains tPartialCode then add 1 to tPartials
         put empty into z
         put x & cr after tFoundLInes
      end if

and now I get consistent, on each run:

Summary: 
Downloaded with Revo  HT Navigator: 205
Complete Downloads via HT site: 840
Partial Downloads 206's (mostly failures, some successes): 2877

numbers verified in BBEDit with Search and Replace on those strings... 

 But still leave Questions 1 and 2 unanswer: why are local vars carrying values across sessions and how is a string that doesn't exist in the text being found at all?

I'm not sure I'll be able to answer either of those questions, but it's a lesson in good practice on initializing varibles, even locals.

Thanks for the help... Now we can dig the  logs.

Sivakatirswami







From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Aug  5 15:28:25 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:28:25 -0400
Subject: Chunks vs Arrays - surprising benchmarking results
In-Reply-To: <4A79D7F6.7050404@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A79D7F6.7050404@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <94578A12-1D1B-4B49-8D30-12C4DF171811@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 5, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Any thoughts on how I might optimize the array functions?  Did I  
> just overlook something obvious which would make them run faster?

Richard,

The main slowdown in your test for GetFromMainArray seems to be in  
transferring the data from the custom property to tDataA. This is  
consistent with my findings when implementing persistent data storage  
in the data grid.

I changed the code a bit so that the field contents and uData custom  
prop array were put into script locals outside of the timers. Here is  
what I got:

GetFromList: 30
GetFromSubArray: 244
GetFromMainArray: 27
All results the same?: true

So if your data is already in a script local then arrays seem to be  
faster.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Aug  5 15:54:10 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 12:54:10 -0700
Subject: Digging Huge Files
In-Reply-To: <4A79DBAA.5020908@hindu.org>
References: <4A77A6EA.8090709@hindu.org>
	<24812997.post@talk.nabble.com>	<4A788C93.6070500@hyperactivesw.com>	<3f07cc260908041310k436d106doc3ac0d59466d2f4f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A78F2E7.4030800@hindu.org>
	<37693869375.20090805090340@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A79DBAA.5020908@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <33E22220-970D-4D94-AADF-3DDB34332652@yahoo.com>

Tip:
There are globals, script locals, and handler locals.

Globals belong to Revolution, not the stack or script that created  
them in memory.
These values persist even if the stack is removed from memory.

Script locals are kept in memory as long as the stack is open.
In a way. like globals, but these are only available to handlers and  
functions in the *same* script.
Declaring a script local variable "shoebox" in different script  
containers creates separate shoeboxes.  Each shoebox will die when the  
script is removed from memory.
---- the script of card 1 "Husband's closet"---
    local shoebox
    put "brown loafers" into shoebox

---- the script of card 2  "Wife's closet"  ---
    local shoebox
    put "sequin pumps" into shoebox

... and you now have two shoeboxes in two places

Handler locals die at the end of the handler process.
on doThisQuickly
    local shoebox
    --and now we are done
end doThisQuickly
... and now this shoebox is gone

global shoebox
... not a good idea to name a global and a local the same
Usual convention is to use  gShoebox for a global name
My convention is to use
zShoebox so that all the globals are shown at the bottom of the  
Variable Watcher
xShoebox so that all the script locals are shown just above the  
globals in the Variable Watcher

Hope this helps someone out there.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:21 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> 1) I thought local variables are always initialized to empty after  
> each run of  script.
> Is there something I'm missing there?
>
> global tStart
> local tPartials,tRevHits,tCompleted # these were acting as globals?

Jim Ault
jimaultwins at yahoo.com





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Aug  5 16:02:45 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:02:45 -0700
Subject: Chunks vs Arrays - surprising benchmarking results
Message-ID: <4A79E565.1020402@fourthworld.com>

Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Aug 5, 2009, at 3:05 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Any thoughts on how I might optimize the array functions?  Did I  
>> just overlook something obvious which would make them run faster?
> 
> Richard,
> 
> The main slowdown in your test for GetFromMainArray seems to be in  
> transferring the data from the custom property to tDataA. This is  
> consistent with my findings when implementing persistent data storage  
> in the data grid.
> 
> I changed the code a bit so that the field contents and uData custom  
> prop array were put into script locals outside of the timers. Here is  
> what I got:
> 
> GetFromList: 30
> GetFromSubArray: 244
> GetFromMainArray: 27
> All results the same?: true
> 
> So if your data is already in a script local then arrays seem to be  
> faster.

Excellent sleuthing, Trevor.   Confirmed:  with that change I'm getting 
the same results.  Who would have thought there could be so much 
overhead moving a custom property array into a variable array?

Unfortunately for my case, this data is only one of several tables 
stored in user documents.  I could move all the data out of the stack 
file I'm using for the document into a global when the document is 
opened, and could even use a master array within the global to keep the 
data from different open documents separate, but that adds another layer 
of management and the increase in data size for a speed gain of 0.03ms 
per iteration.

I had hoped that I might be able to get around the need to copy the data 
out of the properties by using array notation directly on those 
properties, but alas it doesn't seem the property array syntax is yet 
parallel with variable array syntax as it used to be before we got 
multi-dimensional arrays.

I'll think this over, but so far the two methods are so close in 
performance that I'm inclined to stick with what's in place with chunk 
expressions for now.

Thanks again for finding the bottleneck in the data loading.  That's 
valuable info.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Aug  5 16:09:01 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 16:09:01 -0400
Subject: Chunks vs Arrays - surprising benchmarking results
In-Reply-To: <4A79E565.1020402@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A79E565.1020402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <689215FC-B962-4107-B6C7-9230DF8C04FF@mangomultimedia.com>

> I had hoped that I might be able to get around the need to copy the  
> data out of the properties by using array notation directly on those  
> properties, but alas it doesn't seem the property array syntax is  
> yet parallel with variable array syntax as it used to be before we  
> got multi-dimensional arrays.

Yes, this is unfortunate. Being able to access multi-dimensional  
arrays as stored in an object would be very useful.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From support at ahsomme.com  Wed Aug  5 18:52:05 2009
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:52:05 -0700
Subject: Chunks vs Arrays - surprising benchmarking results
In-Reply-To: <4A79D7F6.7050404@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A79D7F6.7050404@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <FC1A2DB6-66BC-4607-8A67-D410FAC38E3B@ahsomme.com>

Richard,
I have nothing to add directly to the chunk vs array discussion  
(Trevor's reply was very good) but I have often found it helpful to  
increase the speed of compound selections by breaking them into  
individual ones.

For instance if you have a large database of names and sexes and you  
want to select every female named "Jan" ("Jan" could be male or female).
Select all of the Jans first (this will run much faster than the  
compound selection).
Then select all of the females from the result of the first selection  
(this will run faster because it is searching only "Jan"s - a very  
small list).
This double selection will run faster than a single compound selection.

Obviously this requires a known data-set where one filter will  
eliminate a lot of records (selecting "female", then selecting "Jan"  
would be much slower in our example because, presumably, half of the  
list is female and a small portion is Jan).
On many lists this can create a much bigger speed difference than  
chunk vs array variance you noted.
Paul Looney

On Aug 5, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> The "Multi dimensional array filtering" thread reminded me of a  
> benchmarking test I've been wanting to do for some time, and since  
> I have some tasks coming up on a client project which needs this  
> sort of stuff it was a good time to dive in.
>
> The goal is simple enough:  one of the most common tasks I need to  
> perform with my data is querying specific fields for criteria, and  
> if there's a match then assembling the data from a given set of  
> fields for display in a list to the user.
>
> I've been using simple tab-delimited lists for this data because it  
> was about as compact as it could be and performs reasonably well.   
> But with multi-dimensional arrays, the question is whether Rev's  
> fast hash index into array data might help me gather the data from  
> specific fields in each record faster than using chunk expressions.
>
> So I took a minute to put together a simple test stack:
> <http://fourthworldlabs.com/rev/speed%20test%20chunks%20vs% 
> 20arrays.rev.zip>
>
> It has a field containing a list of contact info, another field for  
> displaying the test results, and a third for displaying the  
> gathered data from the query so I can verify that it's doing what I  
> want it to.
>
> If you download the stack you'll see that in addition to the "Test"  
> button there's another one there which converts the list data into  
> an array and stores that in a custom property of the field, needed  
> for testing the array method.
>
> The code for the "Test" button is below, and I would appreciate  
> anyone here who has the time to look it over and see what I may  
> have missed, because the results I'm getting are not what I expected.
>
> The test script is typical of many of the tasks I need to perform  
> on this data:  it checks one field to see if it contains a value,  
> checks another to see if it contains a different value, and if both  
> are true it collects data from three fields into a tab- and return- 
> delimited list so I can drop it into a list field to display the  
> output.
>
> I had assumed that using chunk expressions to access items in each  
> line would be slower than using array notation to get them through  
> the hash in the array.  But instead here's the result I'm getting  
> (times are in milliseconds for 100 iterations):
>
> GetFromList: 72
> GetFromSubArray: 752
> GetFromMainArray: 407
> All results the same?: true
>
> As noted in the code below, the GetFromList handler uses simple  
> chunk expressions to parse the data; GetFromSubArray uses "repeat  
> for each element" to parse out the second-tier array within each  
> record; GetFromMainArray walks through the keys to get the data  
> from the main array by addressing both dimensions; the last line  
> simply lets me know that all three are returning the same result.
>
> I can understand why GetFromSubArray is the slowest, since it has  
> to instantiate an array for the second-tier array each time through  
> the loop (using "repeat for each element...").
>
> But I had hoped that accessing the main array by specifying the  
> elements in both dimensions would get to the data more quickly than  
> would be needed when asking the engine to count items, but  
> apparently not.
>
> Of course there is a scaling issue with chunk expressions.  In my  
> sample data there are only eight items in each record, but if there  
> were several hundred I would imagine it wouldn't perform as well as  
> the array methods.  But in my case most of the data I work with has  
> fewer than 30 fields and since chunk expressions are measuring  
> about five times faster   I would expect I'd need many more than  
> that before chunk expressions drop below arrays in relative  
> performance.
>
> The same could be said of the size of the data within each item,  
> since that will adversely affect the time the engine needs to walk  
> through it looking for item delimiters.  But again, it's not often  
> that I have field data that's very long (the contact list is a good  
> example, in which the longest field data is under 200 chars), and  
> the engine's seeking of delimiters seems reasonably efficient.
>
> Another minor drawback to arrays for this sort of thing is what it  
> does to the size of the data, esp. if you use meaningful names for  
> your fields rather than just numbers:  while simple tab-delimited  
> data needs only one set of field names and a function to translate  
> those into item numbers before dropping into any loop that uses  
> them, arrays replicate the field names for each record.  The longer  
> the field names, the more impact this will have on data size.
>
> I'd be happy to accept this as a trade-off if the speed justified  
> it, but in my test the speed benefit just isn't there for this type  
> of querying task.
>
> Any thoughts on how I might optimize the array functions?  Did I  
> just overlook something obvious which would make them run faster?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>
>
> ------ code for Test button -------------
>
> on mouseUp
>   put empty into fld "Results"
>   put empty into fld "Output"
>   wait 0 with messages -- so clearing fields is visible
>   --
>   -- Number of iterations:
>   put 100 into n
>   --
>   -- Test simple chunk expressions:
>   put the millisecs into t
>   repeat n
>     put GetFromList() into tResult1
>   end repeat
>   put the millisecs - t into t1
>   --
>   -- Test sub-array method:
>   put the millisecs into t
>   repeat n
>     put GetFromSubArray() into tResult2
>   end repeat
>   put the millisecs - t into t2
>   --
>   -- Test main array method:
>   put the millisecs into t
>   repeat n
>     put GetFromMainArray() into tResult3
>   end repeat
>   put the millisecs - t into t3
>   --
>   -- Display results:
>   put tResult2 into fld "Output"
>   put "GetFromList: "&t1 &cr\
>       &"GetFromSubArray: "&t2 &cr\
>       &"GetFromMainArray: "& t3 &cr\
>       & "All results the same?: "&\
>          ((tResult1 = tResult2) AND (tResult2 = tResult3)) \
>       into fld "Results"
> end mouseUp
>
>
> --
> -- GetFromList
> -- Uses simple item and line chunk expressions to access specific data
> -- elements.
> --
> function GetFromList
>   put empty into tList
>   set the itemdel to tab
>   put fld 1 into tData
>   repeat for each line tLine in tData
>     if item 1 of tLine contains "A" and item 4 of tLine contains  
> "4" then
>       put item 1 of tLine &tab& item 3 of tLine &tab& item 5 of  
> tLine \
>        &cr after tList
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   delete last char of tList -- trailing CR
>   sort lines of tList
>   return tList
> end GetFromList
>
>
> --
> -- GetFromSubArray
> -- Walks through each element in the two-dimensional array tDataA
> -- by putting each into a sub-array tRecordA, then accesses specific
> -- elements of tRecordA to get specific field data.
> --
> function GetFromSubArray
>   put empty into tList
>   put the uDataA of fld 1 into tDataA
>   repeat for each element tRecordA in tDataA
>     if tRecordA[1] contains "A" and tRecordA[4] contains "4" then
>       put tRecordA[1] &tab& tRecordA[3] &tab& tRecordA[5] &\
>        cr after tList
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   delete last char of tList -- trailing CR
>   sort lines of tList
>   return tList
> end GetFromSubArray
>
>
> --
> -- GetFromMainArray
> -- First obtains a list of keys of the main array, and uses these
> -- to walk through it, accessing specific elements by that main
> -- key and a sub-key.
> --
> function GetFromMainArray
>   put empty into tList
>   put the uDataA of fld 1 into tDataA
>   repeat for each key tKey in tDataA
>     if tDataA[tKey][1] contains "A" and tDataA[tKey][4] contains  
> "4" then
>       put tDataA[tKey][1] &tab& tDataA[tKey][3] &tab&\
>         tDataA[tKey][5] &cr after tList
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   delete last char of tList -- trailing CR
>   sort lines of tList
>   return tList
> end GetFromMainArray
>
> ###
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From pmbrig at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 19:16:08 2009
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 19:16:08 -0400
Subject: MacSpeech?
Message-ID: <75FDA4FB-5923-4D82-99E2-85E92605C2A6@gmail.com>

Anyone know if the new Dragon speech recognition/dictation app for the  
Mac, "MacSpeech Dictate" -- which is getting fairly good reviews --  
will pour text into a field in a rev stack? I'd like to confirm that  
this will work before I shell out $200 for this thing, since my main  
use of it will be to transcribe notes into a field in one of my stack  
systems. The MacSpeech website doesn't list Rev as one of the  
supported apps, and I waited 20" on hold on their customer service  
line before having to dash off (and I was somewhat pessimistic about  
getting an answer anyway, assuming that when I asked about runrev they  
were going to say, "what's that?").

Any feedback appreciated.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 20:09:57 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:09:57 +1000
Subject: cookbook for putting Rev app on the web?
In-Reply-To: <4A79B561.8040307@castandcrew.com>
References: <4A79B561.8040307@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908051709k43b5c9c2s2dbddddbba7e983d@mail.gmail.com>

> Is there a simple cookbook list somewhere of how to convert a stand alone
> application to a web application? ?Something like
>
> 1) recompile using these settings
> 2) put this code on your web page
> 3) put your executable here on the server
> 4) you are done

1. Go to Standalone settings -> Web and check "Build for Web" and
accept the default settings.
2. Build the standalone. This creates a folder containing a revlet and
an html file. It also opens the html file in your default browser for
testing.
3. Edit the html file to suit or copy & paste the relevant parts into
your own html. There are 2 vital sections: one detects the plugin and
the other displays your revlet. These are marked by comments in the
test.html page, so you can easily see what sections you need.
4. Upload both the html file and the revlet file to the same folder on
your web site.
5. All done :-)

Cheers,
Sarah


From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Aug  5 22:13:39 2009
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:13:39 -0400
Subject: MacSpeech?
In-Reply-To: <75FDA4FB-5923-4D82-99E2-85E92605C2A6@gmail.com>
References: <75FDA4FB-5923-4D82-99E2-85E92605C2A6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E9E452A-0953-4C80-8319-150418342026@all-auctions.com>

Hi Peter,

Yes MacSpeech Dictate version 1.3 works great with Revolution.  I just  
finished talking into
a scrolling field in Pre-beta 4.0 with no problems at all.

Rick

On Aug 5, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:

> Anyone know if the new Dragon speech recognition/dictation app for  
> the Mac, "MacSpeech Dictate" -- which is getting fairly good reviews  
> -- will pour text into a field in a rev stack? I'd like to confirm  
> that this will work before I shell out $200 for this thing, since my  
> main use of it will be to transcribe notes into a field in one of my  
> stack systems. The MacSpeech website doesn't list Rev as one of the  
> supported apps, and I waited 20" on hold on their customer service  
> line before having to dash off (and I was somewhat pessimistic about  
> getting an answer anyway, assuming that when I asked about runrev  
> they were going to say, "what's that?").
>
> Any feedback appreciated.
>
> -- Peter
>
> Peter M. Brigham
> pmbrig at gmail.com
> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>
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From katir at hindu.org  Wed Aug  5 23:24:59 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:24:59 -1000
Subject: Digging Huge Files
In-Reply-To: <33E22220-970D-4D94-AADF-3DDB34332652@yahoo.com>
References: <4A77A6EA.8090709@hindu.org>	<24812997.post@talk.nabble.com>	<4A788C93.6070500@hyperactivesw.com>	<3f07cc260908041310k436d106doc3ac0d59466d2f4f@mail.gmail.com>	<4A78F2E7.4030800@hindu.org>	<37693869375.20090805090340@ahsoftware.net>	<4A79DBAA.5020908@hindu.org>
	<33E22220-970D-4D94-AADF-3DDB34332652@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A7A4D0B.1020303@hindu.org>

Jim Ault wrote:
> Tip:
> There are globals, script locals, and handler locals.
>
> Globals belong to Revolution, not the stack or script that created 
> them in memory.
> These values persist even if the stack is removed from memory.
>
> Script locals are kept in memory as long as the stack is open.
> In a way. like globals, but these are only available to handlers and 
> functions in the *same* script.
> Declaring a script local variable "shoebox" in different script 
> containers creates separate shoeboxes.  Each shoebox will die when the 
> script is removed from memory.

Oh! aha!.. that's it... I don't think I ever used a script local, ever, 
until building this stack.
I normally always use handler locals. But I thought I might improve on 
"best practices" and declare them first.
But I did not know that the persistence nature of the local would change.

Learn something new every day...

Thanks for clearing that up.
>



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu Aug  6 00:17:10 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 00:17:10 -0400
Subject: [teaser] for third party developers
Message-ID: <16E326C7-3C36-48F2-AFCF-8639C0B151C1@wehostmacs.com>

> Not only would it centralize documentation for different libraries,
Which is the main point of it, even for my own libraries I forget  
what they do ;)


> Many users of this list have written a wide variety of helpful
> libraries.
Yes and I use many of them in my personal toolbox thank you everyone :D


> (you wouldn't want this broken if the docs changed).
Actually I bypass most of the encoding Rev has done with their  
documentation and just read pure HTML files and display them


> And it would require the people who write the libraries to
> e.g. make their documentation conform to that format and either submit
Everyone has their own style of writing documentation and I will not  
impose any limits other than the limits of Rev HTML.. I do have a  
quick and dirty page creator that will ship, but any old pre- 
formatted HTML files should work just fine..


> network reachable URL so that the Dictionary could go out to the
> internet and harvest the documentation.
Documentation is provided with the libraries/objects that you have  
downloaded and have running in Rev already so no need to have an  
active internet connection..


From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 00:48:28 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:48:28 +0900
Subject: onrev client as stack?
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70908052148s3220c59dt1ac90fc87e9d4ae3@mail.gmail.com>

Is the onrev client available as a stack?

I'd like to modify it to suit my own way of working.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From kevin at runrev.com  Thu Aug  6 07:00:07 2009
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 12:00:07 +0100
Subject: Chunks vs Arrays - surprising benchmarking results
In-Reply-To: <4A79E565.1020402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C6A07647.43F9%kevin@runrev.com>

On 05/08/2009 21:02, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Excellent sleuthing, Trevor.   Confirmed:  with that change I'm getting
> the same results.  Who would have thought there could be so much
> overhead moving a custom property array into a variable array?

Bear in mind that when retrieving a custom property, the engine has to look
up whether there is a getProp handler for it. Locking messages should give
you an improvement.

The main difference between arrays and chunks is that arrays will continue
to access huge data sets in linear time, whereas chunks (depending on
exactly what you're doing) will slow down as the data set gets larger.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Aug  6 07:10:14 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:10:14 +0300
Subject: MacSpeech?
In-Reply-To: <7E9E452A-0953-4C80-8319-150418342026@all-auctions.com>
References: <75FDA4FB-5923-4D82-99E2-85E92605C2A6@gmail.com>
	<7E9E452A-0953-4C80-8319-150418342026@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <4A7ABA16.6040704@ekoinf.net>

Hi Rick, could you or someone else please give some hints on how to do 
this (speech 2 text 2 Revolution field) on MacOSX? I am interested in 
this feature too. Are there any working alternatives for MS Windows XP?

Best regards
Viktoras

Rick Harrison wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Yes MacSpeech Dictate version 1.3 works great with Revolution.  I just 
> finished talking into
> a scrolling field in Pre-beta 4.0 with no problems at all.
>
> Rick
>
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
>
>> Anyone know if the new Dragon speech recognition/dictation app for 
>> the Mac, "MacSpeech Dictate" -- which is getting fairly good reviews 
>> -- will pour text into a field in a rev stack? I'd like to confirm 
>> that this will work before I shell out $200 for this thing, since my 
>> main use of it will be to transcribe notes into a field in one of my 
>> stack systems. The MacSpeech website doesn't list Rev as one of the 
>> supported apps, and I waited 20" on hold on their customer service 
>> line before having to dash off (and I was somewhat pessimistic about 
>> getting an answer anyway, assuming that when I asked about runrev 
>> they were going to say, "what's that?").
>>
>> Any feedback appreciated.
>>
>> -- Peter
>>
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>>
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>> subscription preferences:
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>
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>
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> iTunes Store Now!
>
> To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD please 
> click on the
> following link.  (Please note you must have iTunes installed on your 
> computer for this link to work.)
>
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>
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From tereza at califex.com  Thu Aug  6 09:29:52 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:29:52 -0500
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>


On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Yves COPPE wrote:
>> Here is a very simple script :
>> on mouseUp
>>     put empty into fld "resultat"
>>    set itemDel to "/"
>>    put item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack into  
>> tPath
>>    set itemDel to comma
>>    put tPath into fld "resultat"
>> end mouseUp
>> In the IDE, it gives the right path
>> when I build a revlet, put it on my server and open it with Safari,  
>> it  gives ... nothing ! fld "resultat" stays empty
>> Any idea ?
>
> The stack file on your server isn't the one that's running.  Like  
> web pages, what the browser gets is a downloaded copy of the stack  
> file. This copy lives in RAM, so its fileName will be empty.

It sounds like this means that I can't reliably reference files?like  
external stacks or configuration files?'next to' my revlet on the  
server. Is this true? How about the value of 'the directory' or  
'default folder'? How about referenced images?

I routinely store application resources in a folder, 'resources', next  
to my apps that contain all kinds of stuff. I compute paths at startup  
depending on the effective filename. Do I have to change my  
architecture?


t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From phil at liverpool.ac.uk  Thu Aug  6 10:21:25 2009
From: phil at liverpool.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:21:25 +0100
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
Message-ID: <57152FF0-19ED-4229-A229-B6D19EF05B0C@liverpool.ac.uk>

It seems that a number of system "globals" don't have values in revlets.
I tried a small program to display the following:

defaultfolder
platform
systemversion
environment

All of which seem to be empty in a revlet.

On 6 Aug 2009, at 14:29, Tereza Snyder wrote:

>
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Yves COPPE wrote:
>>> Here is a very simple script :
>>> on mouseUp
>>>    put empty into fld "resultat"
>>>   set itemDel to "/"
>>>   put item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack into
>>> tPath
>>>   set itemDel to comma
>>>   put tPath into fld "resultat"
>>> end mouseUp
>>> In the IDE, it gives the right path
>>> when I build a revlet, put it on my server and open it with Safari,
>>> it  gives ... nothing ! fld "resultat" stays empty
>>> Any idea ?
>>
>> The stack file on your server isn't the one that's running.  Like
>> web pages, what the browser gets is a downloaded copy of the stack
>> file. This copy lives in RAM, so its fileName will be empty.
>
> It sounds like this means that I can't reliably reference files?like
> external stacks or configuration files?'next to' my revlet on the
> server. Is this true? How about the value of 'the directory' or
> 'default folder'? How about referenced images?
>
> I routinely store application resources in a folder, 'resources', next
> to my apps that contain all kinds of stuff. I compute paths at startup
> depending on the effective filename. Do I have to change my
> architecture?
>
>
> t
>
>
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> Califex Software, Inc.
> <www.califexsoftware.com>
>
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ointment.






From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Aug  6 11:06:16 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:06:16 -0600
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
Message-ID: <12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>

Hi Tereza,

On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:29 AM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
>
> It sounds like this means that I can't reliably reference files?like
> external stacks or configuration files?'next to' my revlet on the
> server. Is this true? How about the value of 'the directory' or
> 'default folder'? How about referenced images?
>
> I routinely store application resources in a folder, 'resources', next
> to my apps that contain all kinds of stuff. I compute paths at startup
> depending on the effective filename. Do I have to change my
> architecture?

This is no different than stacks launched from a web server using a  
desktop-based launcher app. The launched stack resides only in RAM so  
it has no filename value, as it was not launched from a stackfile in  
the local filesystem. If there is a defaultFolder, it's on the desktop  
file system. When you work in this environment, you just have to  
change your thinking a little bit. You can still have prefs and  
resource files in a folder next to your stack, but instead of looking  
in a relative filepath, you have to remember the URL to the stack  
(obviously you know it or you couldn't launch the stack.) Remove the  
stackname from the URL and you're left with the web URL ("filepath",  
if you will) to the folder containing the stack. Just build a new URL  
by appending the folder and file name of the resources/prefs file and  
call it that way.

For example, let's say my revlet is at:

   http://devin.com/revlets/mystackpage.html

It should be fairly simple to either derive the URL within the revlet  
stack or to pass the URL as a parameter when launching the revlet. (I  
haven't tried this myself yet, but I've seen others describe here how  
to pass params.) Once your revlet stack has that information, just  
have it do:

   set the itemdelimiter to "/"
   put item 1 to -2 of tURLreceivedAsParam & "/resources/myprefs.txt"  
into tPrefsURL
   put URL tPrefsURL into tMyPrefs
   -- now do whatever you want with the prefs.

Like I said, I use a model similar to this all the time with stacks  
launched from a web server, and it works great. I haven't explicitly  
tried it with a revlet, but I see no reason why it wouldn't work. Of  
course, one of the problems with this approach is that you can't write  
to that web-based resource file. Welcome to the Web!

You have to use other strategies, such as using a database server like  
MySQL or PostgreSQL, cookies, or an on-rev CGI that can write to the  
server file.

So it's definitely doable, you just have to adapt to the new, more  
restrictive Web environment.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From kkaufman at snet.net  Thu Aug  6 11:30:07 2009
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:30:07 -0400
Subject: downloading revlets to local computer
Message-ID: <DC0DEB59-E140-4F2A-BD2A-EDDB3D3F6652@snet.net>

In Firefox, as I imagine to be the case with other browsers, a web  
page can be saved with all of its supporting files: images, audio,  
video, revlets, etc.
If a revlet is downloaded in such a manner, and it requires access to  
data not included on the web page (but referenced by the revlet), this  
would leave the downloaded copy of the revlet without [critical]  
resources.  Is this an issue to be considered?  If so, would a  
advisory to the user warn of missing resources? Would the check occur  
as the revlet was first loading?

Thanks, KK


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug  6 11:52:17 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 08:52:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] Stacks published on the Web
In-Reply-To: <6E9BA5CE-D416-456A-8A09-37D94F76B32A@all-auctions.com>
References: <909628.19747.qm@web111411.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CA2A5ACE-A8F7-4F7C-AFF4-5E8CFBB41B86@rcn.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908020157v311e8f8ctae6c0d9b621f7ff2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A75CC61.4090401@hyperactivesw.com>
	<A40E8490-8382-4D64-8A23-D48E49F68D6E@rcn.com>
	<6E9BA5CE-D416-456A-8A09-37D94F76B32A@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <24849244.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Rick,

Actually, if you have doubts about the security of
running an application inside your web browser,
you should contact the author with specific questions
about the operation of this application.

Look for example this example:

http://capellan2000.000space.com/examen.html

This is a test in spanish created by a friend of mine
(using a template that i give him) for his computer
classes.

He told me that this test is largely unfinished and
needs to correct ortography and the wording
of selection items. I believe that he had to change
his images to reduce the stack size and check in
detail the importance of every question.

But the point, about this exam is that when you
enter the page, it ask for permissions to use the
network and write files to your disk.

Effectively, when you finish this (still incomplete)
exam, the stack ask you to save the results in
your hard disk.

Ideally, the stack should be able to:

1) send the results directly to the teacher's mail
from the stack, just like PHP or Perl scripts do...

2) write output to a file in the server, so
user could download this file from the
webpage...

3) write a record inside a database
running in the server...

4) show the results in a field so user could
copy and paste the results in a text file...

and there should be other options that
i am not aware of... or simply have forget.

Stacks should be able to do their work
without these warning dialogs.
 
This weekend, i will apply some of these
ideas to the stacks that i posted.
In this way, there will be no warning
when visitors enter the page.

Have a nice weekend!

al
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From tereza at califex.com  Thu Aug  6 11:56:53 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:56:53 -0500
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
	<12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <34075A0F-71A7-4C93-8693-B09165C9DC4C@califex.com>


On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> This is no different than stacks launched from a web server using a  
> desktop-based launcher app. The launched stack resides only in RAM  
> so it has no filename value, as it was not launched from a stackfile  
> in the local filesystem. If there is a defaultFolder, it's on the  
> desktop file system. When you work in this environment, you just  
> have to change your thinking a little bit. You can still have prefs  
> and resource files in a folder next to your stack, but instead of  
> looking in a relative filepath, you have to remember the URL to the  
> stack (obviously you know it or you couldn't launch the stack.)  
> Remove the stackname from the URL and you're left with the web URL  
> ("filepath", if you will) to the folder containing the stack. Just  
> build a new URL by appending the folder and file name of the  
> resources/prefs file and call it that way.


and On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Phil Jimmieson wrote:

> It seems that a number of system "globals" don't have values in  
> revlets.
> I tried a small program to display the following:
>
> defaultfolder
> platform
> systemversion
> environment

First, if the global properties that Phil lists are empty, what's the  
best way to determine that my code is running in a Revlet?

Second, some of my apps have a zillion referenced images that build  
the UI. Will I have to define new paths for them on preopenstack or  
preopencard? No shortcut way? I wonder whether I'll have to come up  
with a scheme to cache images...


t


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Aug  6 12:17:22 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 17:17:22 +0100
Subject: downloading revlets to local computer
In-Reply-To: <DC0DEB59-E140-4F2A-BD2A-EDDB3D3F6652@snet.net>
References: <DC0DEB59-E140-4F2A-BD2A-EDDB3D3F6652@snet.net>
Message-ID: <6681B587-E569-47B1-8126-435E7AFDD502@azurevision.co.uk>

Surely the same applies to all other plug-ins (for instance Flash or  
QuickTime) which use referenced files?

The files will need to be referenced absolute URLs anyway, as far as I  
can tell, which means they should work whether the revlet is running  
off the server or out of a webdump.

Ian

On 6 Aug 2009, at 16:30, Kurt Kaufman wrote:

> In Firefox, as I imagine to be the case with other browsers, a web  
> page can be saved with all of its supporting files: images, audio,  
> video, revlets, etc.
> If a revlet is downloaded in such a manner, and it requires access  
> to data not included on the web page (but referenced by the revlet),  
> this would leave the downloaded copy of the revlet without  
> [critical] resources.  Is this an issue to be considered?  If so,  
> would a advisory to the user warn of missing resources? Would the  
> check occur as the revlet was first loading?
>
> Thanks, KK
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 12:23:34 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:23:34 +0300
Subject: Print to PDF?
Message-ID: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com>

Print to PDF?

I think I am reinventing the wheel . . .

advice welcomed.


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 12:27:50 2009
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:27:50 -0500
Subject: Print to PDF?
In-Reply-To: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com>
References: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bcabf3d20908060927l63afedeej3d80424711af6d07@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,

Try....
http://www.runrev.com/products/related-software/quartam-pdf-library/

I had to use this for a order entry application I wrote and it worked really
well.  Plus you get great support from Jan Schenkel who is a frequent
contributor to this list.

Warren



On 8/6/09, Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Print to PDF?
>
> I think I am reinventing the wheel . . .
>
> advice welcomed.
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Aug  6 12:31:38 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:31:38 -0600
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <34075A0F-71A7-4C93-8693-B09165C9DC4C@califex.com>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
	<12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
	<34075A0F-71A7-4C93-8693-B09165C9DC4C@califex.com>
Message-ID: <A5C66E70-7CCE-48EB-94A2-E9C60C266049@byu.edu>


On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

>
> On Aug 6, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> This is no different than stacks launched from a web server using a
>> desktop-based launcher app. The launched stack resides only in RAM
>> so it has no filename value, as it was not launched from a stackfile
>> in the local filesystem. If there is a defaultFolder, it's on the
>> desktop file system. When you work in this environment, you just
>> have to change your thinking a little bit. You can still have prefs
>> and resource files in a folder next to your stack, but instead of
>> looking in a relative filepath, you have to remember the URL to the
>> stack (obviously you know it or you couldn't launch the stack.)
>> Remove the stackname from the URL and you're left with the web URL
>> ("filepath", if you will) to the folder containing the stack. Just
>> build a new URL by appending the folder and file name of the
>> resources/prefs file and call it that way.
>
>
> and On Aug 6, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Phil Jimmieson wrote:
>
>> It seems that a number of system "globals" don't have values in
>> revlets.
>> I tried a small program to display the following:
>>
>> defaultfolder
>> platform
>> systemversion
>> environment
>
> First, if the global properties that Phil lists are empty, what's the
> best way to determine that my code is running in a Revlet?

   if the global properties that phil lists are empty then
     -- assume you're in revlet environment?
     -- ;-)
   end if

Seriously, I think RunRev ought to return "revlet" or something  
similar in the environment function when you're running as a revlet.  
Bug report/enhancement request, anyone?
>
> Second, some of my apps have a zillion referenced images that build
> the UI. Will I have to define new paths for them on preopenstack or
> preopencard? No shortcut way? I wonder whether I'll have to come up
> with a scheme to cache images...

I think you'd have to build URLs for them on openWhatever as I  
described earlier.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Aug  6 13:07:58 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:07:58 +0200
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <20090806170006.267D348A9A4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090806170006.267D348A9A4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0CC59DBE-C27D-4303-80C1-1DA5D5270FBB@derbrill.de>

Ermmm...

The environment returns "browser" (sans quotes) for me. Intel Mac, Os  
x.5.7 Firefox

The defaultfolder appears to be empty if the revLet has no disk  
permissions. With file access permissions I get

/Users/maltebrill/Library/Application Support/RunRev/revWebPlayer

All the best,

Malte

From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Thu Aug  6 13:12:57 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:12:57 +0200
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
	<12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <A62D1D1C-FE09-4BD6-9F7A-143C6C9F1429@skynet.be>


Hi,

> For example, let's say my revlet is at:
>
>  http://devin.com/revlets/mystackpage.html
>
> It should be fairly simple to either derive the URL within the  
> revlet stack or to pass the URL as a parameter when launching the  
> revlet. (I haven't tried this myself yet, but I've seen others  
> describe here how to pass params.) Once your revlet stack has that  
> information, just have it do:
>
>  set the itemdelimiter to "/"
>  put item 1 to -2 of tURLreceivedAsParam & "/resources/myprefs.txt"  
> into tPrefsURL
>  put URL tPrefsURL into tMyPrefs
>  -- now do whatever you want with the prefs.
>
>


Hi Devin,

i don't understand

what is "tURLreceivedAsParam" ????



Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu Aug  6 13:15:13 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:15:13 +0200
Subject: [script optimization challenge] Multi dimensional array
	filtering
In-Reply-To: <20090806170006.267D348A9A4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090806170006.267D348A9A4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DF8CACA6-107E-437C-839B-20ABD2281E7E@derbrill.de>

Thank you all.

I ended up creating a new array anduse repeat for each key.

Brian, I would be very much interested in the binary method on sorted  
data.

Cheers,

Malte


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Aug  6 14:21:09 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 11:21:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Print to PDF?
In-Reply-To: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com>
References: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24851808.post@talk.nabble.com>


Richmond, don't you want cups-pdf if its Ubuntu?  Its real simple.  Just
gives you a virtual printer which is a file.  Or is there something else?

Peter

Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
> 
> Print to PDF?
> 
> I think I am reinventing the wheel . . .
> 
> advice welcomed.
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Aug  6 14:23:21 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 12:23:21 -0600
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <A62D1D1C-FE09-4BD6-9F7A-143C6C9F1429@skynet.be>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
	<12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
	<A62D1D1C-FE09-4BD6-9F7A-143C6C9F1429@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <3A0CABBC-C514-4D3D-8596-6535AAA9D273@byu.edu>


On Aug 6, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Yves COPPE wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
>> For example, let's say my revlet is at:
>>
>> http://devin.com/revlets/mystackpage.html
>>
>> It should be fairly simple to either derive the URL within the
>> revlet stack or to pass the URL as a parameter when launching the
>> revlet. (I haven't tried this myself yet, but I've seen others
>> describe here how to pass params.) Once your revlet stack has that
>> information, just have it do:
>>
>> set the itemdelimiter to "/"
>> put item 1 to -2 of tURLreceivedAsParam & "/resources/myprefs.txt"
>> into tPrefsURL
>> put URL tPrefsURL into tMyPrefs
>> -- now do whatever you want with the prefs.
>>
>>
>
>
> Hi Devin,
>
> i don't understand
>
> what is "tURLreceivedAsParam" ????

Hi Yves,

That is just a hypothetical variable name that I made up for this  
example. It assumes that you have been able to pass a parameter to the  
revlet from the web page that calls it and you have put the parameter  
data into that variable. The variable could have any name you wanted.  
In the example I was proposing, you would pass the URL to the revlet,  
then parse the stack name out of the URL, leaving only the path to the  
revlet stack.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Thu Aug  6 14:37:16 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 20:37:16 +0200
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <3A0CABBC-C514-4D3D-8596-6535AAA9D273@byu.edu>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
	<12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
	<A62D1D1C-FE09-4BD6-9F7A-143C6C9F1429@skynet.be>
	<3A0CABBC-C514-4D3D-8596-6535AAA9D273@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <47CB8B47-3FF3-41B3-B588-BC47BE6A190A@skynet.be>


Le 06-ao?t-09 ? 20:23, Devin Asay a ?crit :

>
> On Aug 6, 2009, at 11:12 AM, Yves COPPE wrote:
>
>> Hi Devin,
>>
>> i don't understand
>>
>> what is "tURLreceivedAsParam" ????
>
> Hi Yves,
>
> That is just a hypothetical variable name that I made up for this  
> example. It assumes that you have been able to pass a parameter to  
> the revlet from the web page that calls it and you have put the  
> parameter data into that variable. The variable could have any name  
> you wanted. In the example I was proposing, you would pass the URL  
> to the revlet, then parse the stack name out of the URL, leaving  
> only the path to the revlet stack.
>
> Regards,
>


Hi,

Thank for the explanation, but I cannot do what you say

can you explain me an "How to" for passing a parameter from the loaded  
web pae to the revlet ???

What you are saying is very importan because it's a questino that oftn  
comes : how to start using a stack in an handler of a revlet !!!


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug  6 15:02:55 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:02:55 -0500
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <57152FF0-19ED-4229-A229-B6D19EF05B0C@liverpool.ac.uk>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
	<57152FF0-19ED-4229-A229-B6D19EF05B0C@liverpool.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <4A7B28DF.9010608@hyperactivesw.com>

Phil Jimmieson wrote:
> It seems that a number of system "globals" don't have values in revlets.
> I tried a small program to display the following:
> 
> defaultfolder
> platform
> systemversion
> environment
> 
> All of which seem to be empty in a revlet.

I get values. I did a test of a Revlet running locally on OS X and 
WinXP, and remotely on OS X from my web site. Here are the values I got 
back (some are empty, but not the ones you list.) For revlets run from a 
remote server, note that the systemversion and platform are the one 
that's running the revlet, not the server it came from.

Hope this doesn't wrap too badly.

===============================================
Revlet defaults at startup (run locally, OS X):
===============================================

defaultFolder: 							/Users/jgay/Library/Application 
Support/RunRev/revWebPlayer
environment:	browser
the platform:	MacOS
the systemversion:	10.5.7
	
	
The globals:
	
	gRevAppIcon	gRevAppIcon
	gRevSmallAppIcon	gRevSmallAppIcon
	$XRE_BINARY_PATH			
	$XUL_APP_FILE			
	$NO_EM_RESTART			
	$XRE_IMPORT_PROFILES			
	$XRE_START_OFFLINE			
	$XRE_PROFILE_NAME			
	$XRE_PROFILE_LOCAL_PATH			
	$XRE_PROFILE_PATH			
	$MOZ_LAUNCHED_CHILD			
	$MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_STRINGS_OVERRIDE		/Applications/Internet 
Apps/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/crashreporter-override.ini
	$MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_DATA_DIRECTORY		/Users/jgay/Library/Application 
Support/Firefox/Crash Reports
	$MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_2	
	$MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_1		-psn_0_700587
	$MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_0		/Applications/Internet 
Apps/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox-bin
	$COMMAND_MODE	legacy
	$SECURITYSESSIONID	9174a0
	$Apple_PubSub_Socket_Render	/tmp/launch-LtYyTc/Render
	$SSH_AUTH_SOCK	/tmp/launch-AxZXC2/Listeners
	$DISPLAY	/tmp/launch-iXOi6F/:0
	$LOGNAME	jgay
	$USER		jgay
	$HOME		/Users/jgay
	$SHELL		/bin/bash
	$TMPDIR	/var/folders/lK/lKqfANrBEKai6m7q-jKrtU+++TI/-Tmp-/
	$PATH	/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin
	$#	0

	
specialfolderpath("desktop") :			/Users/jgay/Desktop
specialfolderpath("temporary") :	/Users/jgay/Library/Caches/TemporaryItems
specialfolderpath("system") :			/System
specialfolderpath("fonts") :			/System/Library/Fonts
specialfolderpath("documents") :		/Users/jgay/Documents
specialfolderpath("preferences") :	/Users/jgay/Library/Preferences

tempName : 
/private/var/folders/lK/lKqfANrBEKai6m7q-jKrtU+++TI/TemporaryItems/tmp0


On Windows XP IE (running locally):
====================================

defaultFolder:				C:/Documents and Settings/user/Desktop

gRevAppIcon					gRevAppIcon
gRevSmallAppIcon			gRevSmallAppIcon
$USERPROFILE				C:\Documents and Settings\user
$USERNAME					user
$USERDOMAIN					JQWINXP
$TMP				C:\DOCUME~1\user\LOCALS~1\Temp
$TEMP				C:\DOCUME~1\user\LOCALS~1\Temp
$SystemRoot					C:\WINDOWS
$SystemDrive				C:
$SESSIONNAME				Console
$QTJAVA						C:\Program Files\QuickTime\QTSystem\QTJava.zip
$ProgramFiles				C:\Program Files
$PROCESSOR_REVISION			0f0a
$PROCESSOR_LEVEL			6
$PROCESSOR_IDENTIFIER		x86 Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 10, GenuineIntel
$PROCESSOR_ARCHITECTURE		x86
$PATHEXT		.COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD;.VBS;.VBE;.JS;.JSE;.WSF;.WSH
$Path						C:\Program Files\Internet 
Explorer;;C:\WINDOWS\system32;C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\System32\Wbem;C:\Program 
Files\QuickTime\QTSystem\
$OS					Windows_NT
$NUMBER_OF_PROCESSORS		1
$LOGONSERVER				\\JQWINXP
$HOMEPATH				\Documents and Settings\user
$HOMEDRIVE				C:
$FP_NO_HOST_CHECK			NO
$ComSpec				C:\WINDOWS\system32\cmd.exe
$COMPUTERNAME				JQWINXP
$CommonProgramFiles			C:\Program Files\Common Files
$CLIENTNAME				Console
$CLASSPATH				.;C:\Program Files\QuickTime\QTSystem\QTJava.zip
$APPDATA				C:\Documents and Settings\user\Application Data
$ALLUSERSPROFILE			C:\Documents and Settings\All Users
$#					0

specialfolderpath("desktop") :			C:/Documents and Settings/user/Desktop
specialfolderpath("temporary") :		C:/Documents and Settings/user/Local 
Settings/Temp
specialfolderpath("system") :			C:/WINDOWS
specialfolderpath("documents") :		C:/WINDOWS/Fonts
specialfolderpath("preferences") :		C:/Documents and Settings/user/My 
Documents

tempName:								C:/Documents and Settings/user/Local Settings/Temp/tmp2


Revlet defaults at startup (run remotely from on-rev server):
===============================================

defaultFolder:	/Applications/Internet Apps/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS
environment:	browser
the platform:	MacOS
the systemversion:	10.5.7


the globals:

	gRevAppIcon	gRevAppIcon
	gRevSmallAppIcon	gRevSmallAppIcon
	$XRE_BINARY_PATH	
	$XUL_APP_FILE	
	$XRE_IMPORT_PROFILES	
	$XRE_START_OFFLINE	
	$XRE_PROFILE_NAME	
	$XRE_PROFILE_LOCAL_PATH	
	$XRE_PROFILE_PATH	
	$NO_EM_RESTART	
	$MOZ_LAUNCHED_CHILD	
	$MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_STRINGS_OVERRIDE	/Applications/Internet 
Apps/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/crashreporter-override.ini
	$MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_DATA_DIRECTORY	/Users/jgay/Library/Application 
Support/Firefox/Crash Reports
	$MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_2	
	$MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_1	
	$MOZ_CRASHREPORTER_RESTART_ARG_0	/Applications/Internet 
Apps/Firefox.app/Contents/MacOS/firefox-bin
	$COMMAND_MODE	legacy
	$SECURITYSESSIONID	6176b0
	$Apple_PubSub_Socket_Render	/tmp/launch-mzR6sW/Render
	$SSH_AUTH_SOCK	/tmp/launch-o9Skcq/Listeners
	$DISPLAY	/tmp/launch-JyiVuA/:0
	$LOGNAME	jgay
	$USER	jgay
	$HOME	/Users/jgay
	$SHELL	/bin/bash
	$TMPDIR	/var/folders/lK/lKqfANrBEKai6m7q-jKrtU+++TI/-Tmp-/
	$PATH	/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin
	$#	0

All specialFolderPath() paths are same as when run locally.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug  6 15:20:56 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 14:20:56 -0500
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
	<12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4A7B2D18.4080703@hyperactivesw.com>

Further to this discussion, this fails in a revlet run from a server:

try
   put  "http://jacque.on-rev.com/testapp/teststack.rev" into tStack
   start using stack tStack
   put the stacksinuse
catch tErr
  put tErr
end try

Fails with:

91,10,8
568,10,1

which is basically "can't find stack" and "no such object". I get the 
same errors if I try to "go" to the stack first before putting it in use.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Aug  6 15:43:41 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:43:41 -0600
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <47CB8B47-3FF3-41B3-B588-BC47BE6A190A@skynet.be>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
	<12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
	<A62D1D1C-FE09-4BD6-9F7A-143C6C9F1429@skynet.be>
	<3A0CABBC-C514-4D3D-8596-6535AAA9D273@byu.edu>
	<47CB8B47-3FF3-41B3-B588-BC47BE6A190A@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <98CC4B2C-79AD-44BA-A2AD-CB34B44C0A03@byu.edu>


On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:
>
> Thank for the explanation, but I cannot do what you say
>
> can you explain me an "How to" for passing a parameter from the loaded
> web pae to the revlet ???
>
> What you are saying is very importan because it's a questino that oftn
> comes : how to start using a stack in an handler of a revlet !!!

Sorry, Yves. I don't know how to pass parameters to a revlet from a  
web page; I only know that someone recently posted to this list how to  
do it. You should be able to find it by searching the list archives,  
or maybe someone will respost this information. Anyone have it?

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Thu Aug  6 15:52:22 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:52:22 +0200
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <98CC4B2C-79AD-44BA-A2AD-CB34B44C0A03@byu.edu>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
	<12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
	<A62D1D1C-FE09-4BD6-9F7A-143C6C9F1429@skynet.be>
	<3A0CABBC-C514-4D3D-8596-6535AAA9D273@byu.edu>
	<47CB8B47-3FF3-41B3-B588-BC47BE6A190A@skynet.be>
	<98CC4B2C-79AD-44BA-A2AD-CB34B44C0A03@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <AFC0BB65-39BD-4E5E-985C-F9C276AA26F3@skynet.be>


Le 06-ao?t-09 ? 21:43, Devin Asay a ?crit :

>
> On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:
>>
>> Thank for the explanation, but I cannot do what you say
>>
>> can you explain me an "How to" for passing a parameter from the  
>> loaded
>> web pae to the revlet ???
>>
>> What you are saying is very importan because it's a questino that  
>> oftn
>> comes : how to start using a stack in an handler of a revlet !!!
>
> Sorry, Yves. I don't know how to pass parameters to a revlet from a  
> web page; I only know that someone recently posted to this list how  
> to do it. You should be able to find it by searching the list  
> archives, or maybe someone will respost this information. Anyone  
> have it?
>
> Devin
>


Hi Devin

Thank you for your quick answer
I cross my fingers someone can explain me the way !!!

If it is through a CGI script, it's an half solution because not every  
webHoster support CGI

Meanwhile, thank you very much. We approach an answer to the problem

I will make a search in the archive to find an idea of answer on my  
question "How to" !!

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 16:19:33 2009
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:19:33 -0400
Subject: MacSpeech?
In-Reply-To: <7E9E452A-0953-4C80-8319-150418342026@all-auctions.com>
References: <75FDA4FB-5923-4D82-99E2-85E92605C2A6@gmail.com>
	<7E9E452A-0953-4C80-8319-150418342026@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <FEC2CABC-E04E-417C-8D64-A7A2FC3E4EA2@gmail.com>

Thanks. Looking forward to trying it out.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Aug 5, 2009, at 10:13 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> Yes MacSpeech Dictate version 1.3 works great with Revolution.  I  
> just finished talking into
> a scrolling field in Pre-beta 4.0 with no problems at all.
>
> Rick
>
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Peter Brigham MD wrote:
>
>> Anyone know if the new Dragon speech recognition/dictation app for  
>> the Mac, "MacSpeech Dictate" -- which is getting fairly good  
>> reviews -- will pour text into a field in a rev stack? I'd like to  
>> confirm that this will work before I shell out $200 for this thing,  
>> since my main use of it will be to transcribe notes into a field in  
>> one of my stack systems. The MacSpeech website doesn't list Rev as  
>> one of the supported apps, and I waited 20" on hold on their  
>> customer service line before having to dash off (and I was somewhat  
>> pessimistic about getting an answer anyway, assuming that when I  
>> asked about runrev they were going to say, "what's that?").
>>
>> Any feedback appreciated.
>>
>> -- Peter
>>
>> Peter M. Brigham
>> pmbrig at gmail.com
>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig
>>
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>
> __________________________________
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>
> You can buy my $10 music album "Funny Time Machine" digital CD on  
> the iTunes Store Now!
>
> To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD please  
> click on the
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> computer for this link to work.)
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Aug  6 16:26:40 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:26:40 -0700
Subject: [script optimization challenge] Multi dimensional array
	filtering
In-Reply-To: <DF8CACA6-107E-437C-839B-20ABD2281E7E@derbrill.de>
References: <20090806170006.267D348A9A4@mail.runrev.com>
	<DF8CACA6-107E-437C-839B-20ABD2281E7E@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <A4D8BDF4-214E-4043-AE3A-24C92715EB13@qldlearning.com>

Malte,

Here is a quick example of what binary search can do. It's a bit of  
work to maintain the sorted data, but the speed is impressive if you  
have very large data. If you are not familiar with binary search  
(forgive me if you are), it is very intuitive -- it searches like you  
might search an alphabetized phonebook. Look at the middle page, and  
determine if the name is after or before the page you are on. At each  
step you cut the search in half by looking at the "middle" page of the  
remaining section and deciding which side to look on next. Doing the  
simple math, you can see that you can search 2^n records in n steps.  
Suppose you have 1,000,000 records. A linear search will take  
1,000,000 steps. Binary will take 20!

There are two caveats, though:

1) To do a binary search, you must have your data sorted first
2) Even with binary search you will still need to read all of the  
matching rows after you have found one. So if all of your records are  
the same, you lose some benefit.

This sample creates 500,000 rows with 1000 different names.

Whether this is worth doing is going to depend very much on your  
application, but the times I get for this data set are roughly:

BINARY SEARCH:

Sort time (upfront cost): 2.5 seconds
Search time: <= 1 millisecond

ORIGINAL METHOD:

Sort time (upfront cost): 0
Search time: 300 milliseconds

global sortedData

on mouseUp

   ## prep the test data
   local testarray,tprocess,test
   repeat with i=1 to 500000
      put "bob"&random(1000) into testarray[i]["name"]
   end repeat
   answer the number of lines of the keys of testarray

   ## create a sorted version of the data
   put the millisecs into test
   put the keys of testarray into tprocess
   repeat for each line theLine in tprocess
      put testarray[theLine]["name"]&cr after temp
   end repeat
   delete char -1 of temp
   sort lines of temp
   put 1 into i
   put empty into sortedData
   repeat for each line l in temp
      put l into sortedData[i]
      add 1 to i
   end repeat
   put i-1 into sortedData[0]
   answer ("data sorted")&cr&(the millisecs-test)

   ## lookup bob100
   put the millisecs into test
   get count("bob100")
   answer ("found="&it&&(the millisecs-test))
end mouseUp

## calls binary search algorithm and then scans before and after found  
record
function count pName
    put nameOffset(pName) into startLine

    if (startLine < 0) then return 0

    repeat with i=startLine down to 1
       if (sortedData[i] = pName) then
          add 1 to tCount
       else
          exit repeat
       end if
    end repeat

    repeat with i=startLine+1 to sortedData[0]
       if (sortedData[i] = pName) then
          add 1 to tCount
       else
          exit repeat
       end if
    end repeat

    return tCount
end count

## binary search
function nameOffset pName,startKey, endKey
    if (startKey is empty) then put 1 into startKey
    if (endKey is empty) then put sortedData[0] into endKey

    if (startKey > endKey) then return -1

    put ((startKey + endKey) div 2) into tIndex
    put sortedData[tIndex] into tName

    if (pName > tName) then put tIndex + 1 into startKey
    else if (pName < tName) then put tIndex - 1 into endKey
    else if (pName = tName) then return tIndex

    return nameOffset(pName, startKey, endKey)
end nameOffset

> Thank you all.
>
> I ended up creating a new array anduse repeat for each key.
>
> Brian, I would be very much interested in the binary method on  
> sorted data.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Malte





From tereza at califex.com  Thu Aug  6 16:37:32 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 15:37:32 -0500
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <4A7B2D18.4080703@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
	<12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
	<4A7B2D18.4080703@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AB28FB00-086E-47A6-AA2D-FBEB2882BE50@califex.com>


On Aug 6, 2009, at 2:20 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Further to this discussion, this fails in a revlet run from a server:
>
> try
>  put  "http://jacque.on-rev.com/testapp/teststack.rev" into tStack
>  start using stack tStack
>  put the stacksinuse
> catch tErr
> put tErr
> end try
>
> Fails with:
>
> 91,10,8
> 568,10,1
>
> which is basically "can't find stack" and "no such object". I get  
> the same errors if I try to "go" to the stack first before putting  
> it in use.


Hmmm. So if there really IS a stack teststack.rev, and there's nothing  
else going wrong... the outlook looks grim for having separate stack  
files as resources.

Was the revlet marked as needing access to the web?

t


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Thu Aug  6 16:46:40 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 13:46:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <AFC0BB65-39BD-4E5E-985C-F9C276AA26F3@skynet.be>
References: <2F4A92CC-83F1-4B65-A07F-1350764E70C8@skynet.be>
	<4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
	<12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
	<A62D1D1C-FE09-4BD6-9F7A-143C6C9F1429@skynet.be>
	<3A0CABBC-C514-4D3D-8596-6535AAA9D273@byu.edu>
	<47CB8B47-3FF3-41B3-B588-BC47BE6A190A@skynet.be>
	<98CC4B2C-79AD-44BA-A2AD-CB34B44C0A03@byu.edu>
	<AFC0BB65-39BD-4E5E-985C-F9C276AA26F3@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <24854095.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Yves,

there is a thread that discusses passing values between the HTML of the page
and the revlet:

http://www.nabble.com/-weblet--How-can-a-webLet-communicate-with-the-hosting-html-page--td24339664.html#a24347654

and there is a stack on RevOnline (the new one) TestParamsOk by Robert
Maniquant that says it demoes this.

regards

Bernd


Yves COPPE wrote:
> 
> 
> Le 06-ao?t-09 ? 21:43, Devin Asay a ?crit :
> 
>>
>> On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:37 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank for the explanation, but I cannot do what you say
>>>
>>> can you explain me an "How to" for passing a parameter from the  
>>> loaded
>>> web pae to the revlet ???
>>>
>>> What you are saying is very importan because it's a questino that  
>>> oftn
>>> comes : how to start using a stack in an handler of a revlet !!!
>>
>> Sorry, Yves. I don't know how to pass parameters to a revlet from a  
>> web page; I only know that someone recently posted to this list how  
>> to do it. You should be able to find it by searching the list  
>> archives, or maybe someone will respost this information. Anyone  
>> have it?
>>
>> Devin
>>
> 
> 
> Hi Devin
> 
> Thank you for your quick answer
> I cross my fingers someone can explain me the way !!!
> 
> If it is through a CGI script, it's an half solution because not every  
> webHoster support CGI
> 
> Meanwhile, thank you very much. We approach an answer to the problem
> 
> I will make a search in the archive to find an idea of answer on my  
> question "How to" !!
> 
> Greetings.
> 
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> 
> 

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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Aug  6 16:47:45 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 21:47:45 +0100
Subject: OT: It's only one feature, how hard can it be to add?
Message-ID: <5018C703-F108-40EA-8B6C-E81773F16B13@azurevision.co.uk>

How much work is involved in adding a single HTTP call to an app?  
Rather a lot:

http://inessential.com/2009/07/30/anatomy_of_a_feature

Ian


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug  6 17:16:05 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:16:05 -0500
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <AB28FB00-086E-47A6-AA2D-FBEB2882BE50@califex.com>
References: <4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>	<12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>	<4A7B2D18.4080703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AB28FB00-086E-47A6-AA2D-FBEB2882BE50@califex.com>
Message-ID: <4A7B4815.4080205@hyperactivesw.com>

Tereza Snyder wrote:
> 
> On Aug 6, 2009, at 2:20 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> Further to this discussion, this fails in a revlet run from a server:
>>
>> try
>>  put  "http://jacque.on-rev.com/testapp/teststack.rev" into tStack
>>  start using stack tStack
>>  put the stacksinuse
>> catch tErr
>> put tErr
>> end try
>>
>> Fails with:
>>
>> 91,10,8
>> 568,10,1
>>
>> which is basically "can't find stack" and "no such object". I get the 
>> same errors if I try to "go" to the stack first before putting it in use.
> 
> 
> Hmmm. So if there really IS a stack teststack.rev, and there's nothing 
> else going wrong... the outlook looks grim for having separate stack 
> files as resources.
> 
> Was the revlet marked as needing access to the web?

Yes to both. There was such a stack, and the revlet had access to all 
the available checkbox options including internet/network access.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Thu Aug  6 17:26:47 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:26:47 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday LIVE!
Message-ID: <FA6FF6EE-0666-4C65-BE96-7285D5525F56@me.com>

Fellow Scripters,

We are hosting another Feature Friday for tRev, the new socket-based  
script editor that lives outside Revolution's IDE. Other than a few  
minor installation glitches, we have experienced unparalleled  
stability with the product running and editing.

Over the last week, we have added some significant features. I'll be  
showing them LIVE at a webinar on Friday, Aug 7. Be forewarned: we  
have only 15 slots open for tRev Feature Friday LIVE!

tRev will have three new features and one of them is...BIG.

At 10:00 AM CDT/US we'll be releasing the following:
- A new version of the application for download
- New components available via tRev's updater

At 10:00 AM CDT/US we'll be hosting:
- A live webinar where tRev's developer walks you through the new  
features
- A video afterwards for those who couldn't get into the webinar

Click the link at the bottom to attend Feature Friday and/or find out  
more about tRev.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

tRev Feature Friday:
http://reveditor.com/trev-feature-friday-aug-7-will-be-live



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 18:40:33 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:40:33 +0300
Subject: Print to PDF?
In-Reply-To: <24851808.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com> <24851808.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A7B5BE1.1020609@gmail.com>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> Richmond, don't you want cups-pdf if its Ubuntu?  Its real simple.  Just
> gives you a virtual printer which is a file.  Or is there something else?
>
> Peter
>
> Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
>   
>> Print to PDF?
>>
>> I think I am reinventing the wheel . . .
>>
>> advice welcomed.
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>     
I know how to produce pdf files from a 'regular' Mac or Linux
program . . . come on, Peter, give me a wee bit of credit . . .    :)

But I should like to have a universal method whereby I can print
directly from a text field in a RunRev stack/standalone to PDF
regardless of the platform the stack is running on.

For instance:

put field "X" into URL "file:test.pdf"

[which, bye-the-bye, produces a text file with the suffix .pdf]

which ACTUALLY produces a PDF file.

or:

open file "test.pdf" for write
write field "X" to file "test.pdf"

[which, bye-the-bye, also produces a text file with the suffix .pdf]

as one can EXPORT images as PNG, JPEG, GIF and so on, it would be
lovely if one could do something of the sort with text files:

write field "X" to file "test.pdf" as PDF

---------------------------------
Imagine a RunRev stack that can cope with the complexities of
producing really decent texts using highly complex writing systems
such as those used in the Indian subcontinent; now, with unicode
and so on, that is perfectly reasonable, and that sort of program
can pump out html files with the end result.

BUT . . .

suppose, owing to the complexity of that sort of writing system, coupled
with the fact that the unicode standard has not got designated slots
for all the written forms, the producer of the RunRev stack has had to 
produce
his/her own, non-standard unicode font to cope with those problems.

The end result should produce PDF files (that embed the special font) as
there is a very slim chance that an end-user/reader of such texts would have
that specialist font on their system.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 19:43:29 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 02:43:29 +0300
Subject: getting Wrapped up
Message-ID: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>

If I set the  dontWrap  to false

text does NOT wrap (2.0.1, 2.6.1, 4.0a).

In fact I cannot get my unicode text to wrap at all.


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 19:48:23 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:48:23 +1000
Subject: getting Wrapped up
In-Reply-To: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>
References: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Richmond
Mathewson<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> If I set the ?dontWrap ?to false
>
> text does NOT wrap (2.0.1, 2.6.1, 4.0a).
>
> In fact I cannot get my unicode text to wrap at all.


Is there any white space in the text? Wrapping only occurs between
words and will not split words.

Cheers,
Sarah


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Aug  6 21:02:18 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 18:02:18 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday LIVE!
In-Reply-To: <FA6FF6EE-0666-4C65-BE96-7285D5525F56@me.com>
References: <FA6FF6EE-0666-4C65-BE96-7285D5525F56@me.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908061802i5e608219wc0b8370c7143d84c@mail.gmail.com>

so in other words, we don't sign up in advance, it's first come first served
for the webinar....right?

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/6 Jerry Daniels <jerry.daniels at me.com>

> Fellow Scripters,
>
> We are hosting another Feature Friday for tRev, the new socket-based script
> editor that lives outside Revolution's IDE. Other than a few minor
> installation glitches, we have experienced unparalleled stability with the
> product running and editing.
>
> Over the last week, we have added some significant features. I'll be
> showing them LIVE at a webinar on Friday, Aug 7. Be forewarned: we have only
> 15 slots open for tRev Feature Friday LIVE!
>
> tRev will have three new features and one of them is...BIG.
>
> At 10:00 AM CDT/US we'll be releasing the following:
> - A new version of the application for download
> - New components available via tRev's updater
>
> At 10:00 AM CDT/US we'll be hosting:
> - A live webinar where tRev's developer walks you through the new features
> - A video afterwards for those who couldn't get into the webinar
>
> Click the link at the bottom to attend Feature Friday and/or find out more
> about tRev.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
>
> tRev Feature Friday:
> http://reveditor.com/trev-feature-friday-aug-7-will-be-live
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  7 01:04:10 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:04:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <4A7B2D18.4080703@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <543622.51501.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Hmm, it seems to be missing the 'URL' keyword - what happens if you change: 
  start using stack tStack
into:
  start using stack URL tStack

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Thu, 8/6/09, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> From: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> Subject: Re: revlet and path
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:20 PM
> Further to this discussion, this
> fails in a revlet run from a server:
> 
> try
> ? put? "http://jacque.on-rev.com/testapp/teststack.rev" into
> tStack
> ? start using stack tStack
> ? put the stacksinuse
> catch tErr
>  put tErr
> end try
> 
> Fails with:
> 
> 91,10,8
> 568,10,1
> 
> which is basically "can't find stack" and "no such object".
> I get the same errors if I try to "go" to the stack first
> before putting it in use.
> 
> -- Jacqueline Landman Gay? ? ?
> ???|? ???jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software? ? ? ?
> ???|? ???http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
> your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


      


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 04:33:54 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:33:54 +0300
Subject: getting Wrapped up
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>
	<f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7BE6F2.7020504@gmail.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 9:43 AM, Richmond
> Mathewson<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> If I set the  dontWrap  to false
>>
>> text does NOT wrap (2.0.1, 2.6.1, 4.0a).
>>
>> In fact I cannot get my unicode text to wrap at all.
>>
>> Is there any white space in the text? Wrapping only occurs between
>> words and will not split words.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>     
Thanks!

I was being very stupid: finding that statements such as:

set the useUnicode to true
set the unicodeText of fld "XXX" to "  " & numToChar(12345)

produced gobblydegook, I forgot that 32 is the rawKey number of the
Space Bar and was using another 'space', which the computer
recognised as a character.

I, now have a similar problem with RETURN (65293).

My whole mistake revolved around the fact that I did not understand that
one cannot "mix and match" numToChar stuff with conventional text.

This does not seem to be stated in the Documentation.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 04:58:05 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:58:05 +0300
Subject: getting Wrapped up
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>
	<f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7BEC9D.4000202@gmail.com>

I maybe reinventing the wheel, but I have found a way
to mix unicode text with 'normal' text in a field.

For instance:

set the useUnicode to true
set the unicodeText of fld "XXX" to numToChar(12345) & numToChar(32)
put "non-unicode text" after fld "XXX"

not exactly rocket science and I wonder why it never
occurred to me before.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 05:07:08 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:07:08 +0300
Subject: Dependence on externals
Message-ID: <4A7BEEBC.2010007@gmail.com>

is not, ultimately, a good solution to limitations of RunRev as
a software producer should be able to produce a single
package that can be compiled to run on any target platform.

The problem about externals (whether 'externals' as understood
in the xTalk universe, or external applications leveraged by a stack)
is that they tend to be platform specific (font embedding comes
to mind - Mac and Win, but no Web or Linux).

Apple and Microsoft have shown a tendency to "pinch" ideas
that others have produced as external add-ons to Macintosh
and Windows and roll them into the next OS release. While this
may be morally reprehensible one can see the reasoning
behind it. Obviously the price is that the OS s get bigger and
bigger and eat more and more RAM; hence the downsizing
that is going on with Mac 10.6 and Windows 7


From wow at together.net  Fri Aug  7 06:54:15 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 06:54:15 -0400
Subject: revweb and videos (quicktime and youtube)
In-Reply-To: <4A7BEC9D.4000202@gmail.com>
References: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>	<f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A7BEC9D.4000202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7C07D7.50209@together.net>

Two questions.

I am trying to set the filename of a quicktime player to a video stored 
on a remote server, but there appears to be a bug in this functionality. 
I see the first frame of the video, but the revlet locks up thereafter 
(along with the entire browser). Works fine in the development 
environment. Works fine in a standalone (i.e. earlier versions of Rev). 
Is this a known bug? Setting the filename of a player to a local file 
also works fine while running a revlet. I've only tested this in Firefox 
on a PC under XP.

In the past, setting a quicktime player to view a remotely-stored video 
would cause the player to start streaming the video immediately... even 
if the video wasn't set up specifically to stream or stored on a 
streaming server. Nice feature.

Secondly, any ideas on how to show a YouTube video in a revlet?

Thanks.
Richard Miller


From wow at together.net  Fri Aug  7 07:23:10 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 07:23:10 -0400
Subject: revweb and videos (quicktime and youtube)
In-Reply-To: <4A7C07D7.50209@together.net>
References: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>	<f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7BEC9D.4000202@gmail.com>
	<4A7C07D7.50209@together.net>
Message-ID: <4A7C0E9E.7020400@together.net>

Solved the first item. In other versions of Rev, it works fine to set 
the filename of a quicktime player to something of the form, 
"ftp://....". Doing so in a revlet will lock everything up. But when I 
switched to "http://... ", all worked fine. Streaming begins and the 
video plays fine.

I'd still like to hear thoughts on the YouTube item, though.

Thanks.
Richard



Richard Miller wrote:
> Two questions.
>
> I am trying to set the filename of a quicktime player to a video 
> stored on a remote server, but there appears to be a bug in this 
> functionality. I see the first frame of the video, but the revlet 
> locks up thereafter (along with the entire browser). Works fine in the 
> development environment. Works fine in a standalone (i.e. earlier 
> versions of Rev). Is this a known bug? Setting the filename of a 
> player to a local file also works fine while running a revlet. I've 
> only tested this in Firefox on a PC under XP.
>
> In the past, setting a quicktime player to view a remotely-stored 
> video would cause the player to start streaming the video 
> immediately... even if the video wasn't set up specifically to stream 
> or stored on a streaming server. Nice feature.
>
> Secondly, any ideas on how to show a YouTube video in a revlet?
>
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Aug  7 08:07:34 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:07:34 +0200
Subject: revweb and videos (quicktime and youtube)
In-Reply-To: <4A7C0E9E.7020400@together.net>
References: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>	<f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7BEC9D.4000202@gmail.com>
	<4A7C07D7.50209@together.net> <4A7C0E9E.7020400@together.net>
Message-ID: <C7441C72-FE5D-4144-85F1-229D2EABA491@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Richard,

> Solved the first item. In other versions of Rev, it works fine to  
> set the filename of a quicktime player to something of the form,  
> "ftp://....". Doing so in a revlet will lock everything up. But when  
> I switched to "http://... ", all worked fine. Streaming begins and  
> the video plays fine.
>
> I'd still like to hear thoughts on the YouTube item, though.

videos on YOUTUBE are most of the time in FLV format, which cannot be  
displayed
"per se" with QuickTime except PERIAN is installed!

On the other hand the HQ versions  of the videos are in MP4 format  
that you can display
in a player as long as you provide the correct URL.

> Thanks.
> Richard

Best

Klaus



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Fri Aug  7 08:08:05 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:08:05 +0200
Subject: Print to PDF?
In-Reply-To: <4A7B5BE1.1020609@gmail.com>
References: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com> <24851808.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A7B5BE1.1020609@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2209B45-FB31-4BFB-9DC2-29461432DA78@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 7 ao?t 09 ? 00:40, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>> Richmond, don't you want cups-pdf if its Ubuntu?  Its real simple.   
>> Just
>> gives you a virtual printer which is a file.  Or is there something  
>> else?
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
>>
>>> Print to PDF?
>>>
>>> I think I am reinventing the wheel . . .
>>>
>>> advice welcomed.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>
> I know how to produce pdf files from a 'regular' Mac or Linux
> program . . . come on, Peter, give me a wee bit of credit . . .    :)
>
> But I should like to have a universal method whereby I can print
> directly from a text field in a RunRev stack/standalone to PDF
> regardless of the platform the stack is running on.
>
> For instance:
>
> put field "X" into URL "file:test.pdf"
>
> [which, bye-the-bye, produces a text file with the suffix .pdf]
>
> which ACTUALLY produces a PDF file.
>
> or:
>
> open file "test.pdf" for write
> write field "X" to file "test.pdf"
>
> [which, bye-the-bye, also produces a text file with the suffix .pdf]
>
> as one can EXPORT images as PNG, JPEG, GIF and so on, it would be
> lovely if one could do something of the sort with text files:
>
> write field "X" to file "test.pdf" as PDF
>
> ---------------------------------
> Imagine a RunRev stack that can cope with the complexities of
> producing really decent texts using highly complex writing systems
> such as those used in the Indian subcontinent; now, with unicode
> and so on, that is perfectly reasonable, and that sort of program
> can pump out html files with the end result.
>
> BUT . . .
>
> suppose, owing to the complexity of that sort of writing system,  
> coupled
> with the fact that the unicode standard has not got designated slots
> for all the written forms, the producer of the RunRev stack has had  
> to produce
> his/her own, non-standard unicode font to cope with those problems.
>
> The end result should produce PDF files (that embed the special  
> font) as
> there is a very slim chance that an end-user/reader of such texts  
> would have
> that specialist font on their system.

Hi Richmond
The solution I am currently implementing is an export of the htmlText  
of a  field to a LaTeX (text) file and then using the shell command
"pdflatex" && tFilePath to ouput pdf. It does not do the actual  
printing.
There is also XeTeX which is a variant of TeX which implements support  
for unicode input and AAT or OT fonts. It has been recently ported to  
Windows and Linux.
Use of a LaTeX package enables creates hyperlinks and bookmarks int  
the pdf output.
GUI applications are also available. All of this is freeware and  
actively maintained. Resources are
general: http://www.tug.org/texlive/acquire.html
mac: http://www.tug.org/mactex/

here is a sample (temporary) code I use for experimentation. It  
collects several fields of a card (from a dictionary stack) to produce  
corresponding LaTeX code

-- TeX handlers and functions
function html2TeX theText
    replace "<p>" with empty in theText
    replace "</p>" with cr & cr in theText
    replace "<b>" with "{\bf " in theText
    replace "</b>" with "}" in theText
    replace "<i>" with "{\em " in theText
    replace "</i>" with "}" in theText
    -- special characters
    replace "&quot;" with quote in theText
    replace "&#9;" with comma in theText
    replace "&amp;" with backslash & "&" in theText
-- here I get rid of unsupported tags
    replace "<" with tab & "<" in theText
    replace ">" with ">" & tab in theText
     set the itemdelimiter to tab
    put the number of items of theText into n
    repeat with i = n down  to 1
       get item i of theText
       if char 1 of it is "<" then
          delete item i of theText
       end if
    end repeat
    replace tab with empty in theText
    -- deal now with < and >
    replace "&lt;" with "$<$" in theText
    replace "&gt;" with "$>$" in theText
    --   clean up cr's
    put the number of lines of theText into n
    repeat with i = n down  to 2
       get line i of theText
       if it is empty and line (i-1) of theText is empty then
          delete line i of theText
       end if
    end repeat
    return theText
end html2TeX

-- collect fields. Entries are from the rev's dictionary

function card2TeX theCard
    goCard theCard
    put 1 into n
    put backslash & "section{" & fld "name" & "}" into line n of theText
    put backslash & "label{" & the short name of this card & "}" after  
line n of theText
    add 1 to n
    put backslash & "paragraph{Type}" into line n of theText
    add 1 to n
    put fld "type" into line n of theText
    add 1 to n
    put backslash & "paragraph{History}" into line n of theText
    add 1 to n
    put "Introduced in version" && fld "introduced" into line n of  
theText
    get fld "changed"
    if it is not empty then
       put comma && "changed in version" && it after line n of theText
    end if
    get fld "removed"
    if it is not empty then
       put comma && "removed in version" && it after line n of theText
    end if
    put "." after line n of theText
    add 1 to n
    put backslash & "paragraph{Platforms}" into line n of theText
    add 1 to n
    put empty into line n of theText
    get fld "macos"
    if it is true then
       put "Mac classic, " after line n of theText
    end if
    get fld "osx"
    if it is true then
       put "Mac OS X, " after line n of theText
    end if
    get fld "win32"
    if it is true then
       put "Windows, " after line n of theText
    end if
    get fld "unix"
    if it is true then
       put "Linux, " after line n of theText
    end if
    delete last char of line n of theText
    delete last char of line n of theText
    put "." after line n of theText
    put addTeXpar(theText,"Summary","summary") into theText
    put addTeXpar(theText,"Syntax","syntax") into theText
    put addTeXpar(theText,"Description","description") into theText
    put addTeXpar(theText,"Example","example") into theText
    put addTeXpar(theText,"Synonyms","synonyms") into theText
       put addTeXpar(theText,"Related","related") into theText
    put addTeXpar(theText,"Synonyms","synonyms") into theText
    put addTeXpar(theText,"Categories","categories") into theText --  
useless?
    return theText
end card2TeX

-- handle sectioning
function addTeXpar theText,theTitle,theField
    put the number of lines of theText into n
    add 1 to n
    put backslash & "subsection{" & theTitle &"}" into line n of theText
    add 1 to n
    get the htmlText of fld theField
    if theField is in "syntax,example,related" then
       get "{\tt " & it & "}"
    end if
     replace comma with comma & space in it
    put html2TeX(it) into line n of theText
    return theText
end addTeXpar

cheers
	Fran?ois



From h at FlexibleLearning.com  Fri Aug  7 08:26:14 2009
From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 13:26:14 +0100
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <20090807120741.43ABF48AB7D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONOELACEAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>


There are two issues here:

[1] Accessing an external file
[2] Trying to include a pw-protected stack in a revlet build

The first was initially pursued because of difficulties with the second.

The first is a valid issue in its own right, but to accomplish the second
ensure that not only are inclusions set manually BUT ALSO security options.
Auto-detect on either will cause the standalone builder to fail. Remove BOTH
auto-detections, and the revlet builds as expected.

/H



From wow at together.net  Fri Aug  7 08:30:13 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:30:13 -0400
Subject: revweb and videos (quicktime and youtube)
In-Reply-To: <C7441C72-FE5D-4144-85F1-229D2EABA491@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>	<f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7BEC9D.4000202@gmail.com>	<4A7C07D7.50209@together.net>
	<4A7C0E9E.7020400@together.net>
	<C7441C72-FE5D-4144-85F1-229D2EABA491@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4A7C1E55.8060701@together.net>

Hi Klaus,

Yes, I know FLV is not directly playable in Quicktime. I am looking for 
a workaround... some way to play a YouTube video in a revlet, other than 
directly through a Quicktime player. Could be impossible. Perian looks 
to be Mac only.

Thanks.
Richard



Klaus Major wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
>> Solved the first item. In other versions of Rev, it works fine to set 
>> the filename of a quicktime player to something of the form, 
>> "ftp://....". Doing so in a revlet will lock everything up. But when 
>> I switched to "http://... ", all worked fine. Streaming begins and 
>> the video plays fine.
>>
>> I'd still like to hear thoughts on the YouTube item, though.
>
> videos on YOUTUBE are most of the time in FLV format, which cannot be 
> displayed
> "per se" with QuickTime except PERIAN is installed!
>
> On the other hand the HQ versions  of the videos are in MP4 format 
> that you can display
> in a player as long as you provide the correct URL.
>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
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From wow at together.net  Fri Aug  7 08:48:07 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:48:07 -0400
Subject: revweb and videos (quicktime and youtube)
In-Reply-To: <4A7C0E9E.7020400@together.net>
References: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>	<f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7BEC9D.4000202@gmail.com>	<4A7C07D7.50209@together.net>
	<4A7C0E9E.7020400@together.net>
Message-ID: <4A7C2287.20702@together.net>

Well, I spoke too fast. There are a few more issues with playing videos 
in a QT player when the videos are stored on a server.

1. The only reliable way to have these videos play is to save them with 
hinted streaming turned on. Without that, some will play; others lock 
the revlet up. Standard 30 fps videos seem to play fine. Higher frame 
rate videos lock the revlet (and the browser) up completely. But when I 
saved these same videos with hinted streaming turned on, they played 
fine in the browser.

2. Secondly... and this can drive folks nuts... the same bug that was 
present in earlier versions of Rev is still present.

If you set the filename of a QT player to a remotely-stored video, the 
player plays fine. BUT, if you try to set that same player to a 
different video, it will fail. This has always been the case. The trick 
is to delete the player, create a new one, then set it to the new filename.

Richard



Richard Miller wrote:
> Solved the first item. In other versions of Rev, it works fine to set 
> the filename of a quicktime player to something of the form, 
> "ftp://....". Doing so in a revlet will lock everything up. But when I 
> switched to "http://... ", all worked fine. Streaming begins and the 
> video plays fine.
>
> I'd still like to hear thoughts on the YouTube item, though.
>
> Thanks.
> Richard
>
>
>
> Richard Miller wrote:
>> Two questions.
>>
>> I am trying to set the filename of a quicktime player to a video 
>> stored on a remote server, but there appears to be a bug in this 
>> functionality. I see the first frame of the video, but the revlet 
>> locks up thereafter (along with the entire browser). Works fine in 
>> the development environment. Works fine in a standalone (i.e. earlier 
>> versions of Rev). Is this a known bug? Setting the filename of a 
>> player to a local file also works fine while running a revlet. I've 
>> only tested this in Firefox on a PC under XP.
>>
>> In the past, setting a quicktime player to view a remotely-stored 
>> video would cause the player to start streaming the video 
>> immediately... even if the video wasn't set up specifically to stream 
>> or stored on a streaming server. Nice feature.
>>
>> Secondly, any ideas on how to show a YouTube video in a revlet?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
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From wow at together.net  Fri Aug  7 08:55:40 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:55:40 -0400
Subject: revlets and cursors
In-Reply-To: <4A7C2287.20702@together.net>
References: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>	<f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7BEC9D.4000202@gmail.com>	<4A7C07D7.50209@together.net>	<4A7C0E9E.7020400@together.net>
	<4A7C2287.20702@together.net>
Message-ID: <4A7C244C.3020202@together.net>

Anybody able to get cursors to lock in and work correctly in a 
revlet?... or is this a known bug?

Thanks.
Richard Miller


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Aug  7 09:02:44 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:02:44 +0200
Subject: revweb and videos (quicktime and youtube)
In-Reply-To: <4A7C1E55.8060701@together.net>
References: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>	<f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7BEC9D.4000202@gmail.com>	<4A7C07D7.50209@together.net>
	<4A7C0E9E.7020400@together.net>
	<C7441C72-FE5D-4144-85F1-229D2EABA491@major.on-rev.com>
	<4A7C1E55.8060701@together.net>
Message-ID: <4A268CF8-04E9-4BB4-B61B-1F21B8B37AC0@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Richard,

> Hi Klaus,
>
> Yes, I know FLV is not directly playable in Quicktime. I am looking  
> for a workaround... some way to play a YouTube video in a revlet,  
> other than directly through a Quicktime player. Could be impossible.

Yep, I'm afraid it is impossible, since the only crossplatform way to  
play an FLV without QT is
via the FLASH browser plug-in, and using "RevBrowser" inside a revlet  
is not supported, as
far as I know.

> Perian looks to be Mac only.

Yes.

> Thanks.
> Richard

Best

Klaus


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Aug  7 09:06:11 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:06:11 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Sona Vocabulary Assistant 1.0
In-Reply-To: <52C3D714-8101-40DD-8CED-41326B781807@sonasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C6A190F3.21704%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> I'm pleased to announce the release of Sona Vocabulary Assistant, an
> internet-aware, media-friendly product for language students. There
> are lots of vocabulary apps out there but none with the features I
> wanted, so I made one myself.  : )

Very nice! Congratulations on the product launch... it looks great!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From wow at together.net  Fri Aug  7 09:11:56 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:11:56 -0400
Subject: revweb and videos (quicktime and youtube)
In-Reply-To: <4A268CF8-04E9-4BB4-B61B-1F21B8B37AC0@major.on-rev.com>
References: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>	<f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7BEC9D.4000202@gmail.com>	<4A7C07D7.50209@together.net>	<4A7C0E9E.7020400@together.net>	<C7441C72-FE5D-4144-85F1-229D2EABA491@major.on-rev.com>	<4A7C1E55.8060701@together.net>
	<4A268CF8-04E9-4BB4-B61B-1F21B8B37AC0@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <4A7C281C.8010509@together.net>

Thanks, Klaus. It was your latter suggestion that I was thinking of, but 
I also found out the "revbrowser" does not appear to work in a revlet. 
Having a browser open up inside a revlet, which is itself open inside a 
browser... seems kind of convoluted... but could actually provide some 
useful functionality.

Richard



Klaus Major wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
>> Hi Klaus,
>>
>> Yes, I know FLV is not directly playable in Quicktime. I am looking 
>> for a workaround... some way to play a YouTube video in a revlet, 
>> other than directly through a Quicktime player. Could be impossible.
>
> Yep, I'm afraid it is impossible, since the only crossplatform way to 
> play an FLV without QT is
> via the FLASH browser plug-in, and using "RevBrowser" inside a revlet 
> is not supported, as
> far as I know.
>
>> Perian looks to be Mac only.
>
> Yes.
>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Aug  7 09:26:28 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:26:28 -0500
Subject: Detecting UTF-8 Encoded Files
Message-ID: <C6A195B4.21708%kray@sonsothunder.com>

I recently had a need to be able to detect whether a vCard was UTF-8 encoded
or not so that I could run the proper decoding on it... after a healthy web
search, I found an article on Instructables for how to walk through the text
of a file and be able to determine this:

    http://www.instructables.com/id/SYGL47RFDYPTCVC/

I wrote a function based on it and so far it's worked for me, but if anyone
sees any problems with it, let me know:


function GetFileData
    answer file "Select a file:"
    put it into tFile
    if tFile is not "" then
        if isUTF8Encoded(tFile) then
            put url ("file:" & tFile) into tData
            return unidecode(uniencode(tData,"utf8"))
        else
            return tdata
        end if
    end if
end GetFileData

function isUTF8Encoded pPath
  put url ("file:" & pPath) into tData
  
  -- Look for patterns of:
  --     "110xxxxx, 10yyyyyy" (2 bytes)
  --     "1110xxxx, 10yyyyyy, 10zzzzzz" (3 bytes)
  --     "11110xxx,10yyyyyy, 10zzzzzz, 10wwwwww" (4 bytes)
  put "" into tMatchHolder
  repeat for each char tChar in tData
    put format("%08d",baseConvert(charToNum(tChar),10,2)) into tVal
    if tMatchHolder = "" then
      switch
      case (char 1 to 3 of tVal = "110")
        put "20" into tMatchHolder
        break
      case (char 1 to 4 of tVal = "1110")
        put "30" into tMatchHolder
        break
      case (char 1 to 5 of tVal = "11110")
        put "40" into tMatchHolder
        break
      default
        next repeat
      end switch
    else
      if (char 1 to 2 of tVal = "10") then
        if char 2 of tMatchHolder = (char 1 of tMatchHolder - 2) then
          return "true"
        else
          add 1 to char 2 of tMatchHolder
        end if
      else
        put "" into tMatchHolder
        next repeat
      end if
    end if
  end repeat
  return "false"
end isUTF8Encoded

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Aug  7 09:35:50 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:35:50 -0500
Subject: Rending HTML Entities in HTMLtext in fields
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860907251826j7d29339aja5b503b834b063ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6A197E6.2170B%kray@sonsothunder.com>


> On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Sivakatirswami<katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>> Is there a way to get htmlEntities
>> 
>> "&#8220;Kanwar&#8221;
>> 
>> The rest of their lifestyle &#8212; names, marriage rituals, dressing styles
>> &#8212; continued to be the same...."
>> 
>> to appear correctly in a field where such enties are ?part of the html used
>> to set the htmltext of a field?
> 
> 
> I had to wrestle with this recently and after numerous attempts with
> uniencode, unidecode, macToISO etc., I ended up writing my own
> function to do it:

That's awesome, Sarah! I've been needing something like this...

Thanks!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Aug  7 10:01:13 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:01:13 +0200
Subject: Detecting UTF-8 Encoded Files
In-Reply-To: <C6A195B4.21708%kray@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C6A195B4.21708%kray@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <49709A50-DB98-4EB2-AC42-3191E1B3B4BB@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Ken,

I do not see any problem (and wouldn't if there were ;-)
but Mark Waddingham once helped me out with a working function exactly  
for determining
how a VCARD is encoded!

Here it is including Marks (very helpful)comments:

# vCards are stored as a text file, however, the text encoding used  
varies depending on the program that exported them.
# We use the following heuristic to detect encoding:
# 1) If there is the byte order mark 0xFEFF then we assume UTF-16BE
# 2) If there is the byte order mark 0xFFFE then we assume UTF-16LE
# 3) If the first byte is 0x00 then we assume UTF-16BE (compatibility  
with Tiger Address Book)
# 4) Otherwise we assume UTF-8
function vcf_convert3format tBinaryVCard
   # First load the vCard as binary data - at this stage we don't know  
the text encoding of the file and loading
   # as text would cause inappropriate line ending conversion.
   # This variable will hold the vCard encoded in MacRoman (the  
default text encoding Revolution uses on Mac OS X)
   local tNativeVCard

   # We now do our checks to detect text encoding
   switch
   case charToNum(char 1 of tBinaryVCard) = 0
     put "UTF16BE" into tTextEncoding
     break
   case charToNum(char 1 of tBinaryVCard) = 0xFE and charToNum(char 2  
of tBinaryVCard) = 0xFF
     delete char 1 to 2 of tBinaryVCard
     put "UTF16BE" into tTextEncoding
     break
   case charToNum(char 1 of tBinaryVCard) = 0xFF and charToNum(char 2  
of tBinaryVCard) = 0xFE
     delete char 1 to 2 of tBinaryVCard
     put "UTF16LE" into tTextEncoding
     break
   default
     put "UTF8" into tTextEncoding
     break
   end switch

   if tTextEncoding begins with "UTF16" then
     # Work out the processors byte order
     local tHostByteOrder
     if the processor is "x86" then
       put "LE" into tHostByteOrder
     else
       put "BE" into tHostByteOrder
     end if

     # If the byte orders don't match, switch the order of pairs of  
bytes
     if char -2 to -1 of tTextEncoding <> tHostByteOrder then
       put swapbytes(tBinaryVCard) into tBinaryVCard
     end if

     # Decode the UTF-16 to native
     put uniDecode(tBinaryVCard) into tNativeVCard
   else
     # Use the standard uniDecode/uniEncode pair to decode the UTF-8  
encoding
     put uniDecode(uniEncode(tBinaryVCard, "UTF8")) into tNativeVCard
   end if

   # We now need to normalize line endings to make sure all lines  
terminate in 'return' (numToChar(10)).
   put tNativeVCard into tTextVCard

   # First replace Windows CR-LF style endings
   replace numToChar(13) & numToChar(10) with return in tTextVCard

   # Now replace Mac OS CR style endings
   replace numToChar(13) with return in tTextVCard
   return mac2win(tTextVCard)
end vcf_convert3format

***
Here is my function "mac2win" that we use in our crossplatform project  
werhe we store EVERYTHING in ISO format!
function mac2win was
   if the platform = "MacOS" then
     return mactoiso(was)
   else
     return was
   end if
end mac2win

Hope that helps!


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Aug  7 10:15:39 2009
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 09:15:39 -0500
Subject: OT: Any VBS, VBA, Excel specialist out there who might help?
In-Reply-To: <C2F0DDE7-1654-421E-ABC7-7349656B9277@m-r-d.de>
Message-ID: <C6A1A13B.21713%kray@sonsothunder.com>

> as i already said, i am not very familiar with vbs. My script is from
> a book.
> 
> So i am not sure, how and where in the script i should pass this
> parameter.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Matthias

Oh geez, Matthias.... I haven't had a chance to read the list for a while
and just caught this, so I hope I can still help after all this time has
passed.

Anyway, here's what you need to do:

Instead of this line of code that you have right now:

.Workbooks.OpenText sInPath, , , ,xlTextQualifierNone,,,True,,,,
,Array(Array(1, 2), Array(2,2), Array(3,2), Array(4,2), Array(5,2),
Array(6,1), Array(7,1), Array(8,1), Array(9,1), Array(10,1),
Array(11,1), Array(12,2))

pass this one instead (watch the line breaks):

.Workbooks.OpenText sInPath, , , xlDelimited,xlTextQualifierNone,,,
True,,,,,Array(Array(1, 2), Array(2,2), Array(3,2), Array(4,2), Array(5,2),
Array(6,1), Array(7,1), Array(8,1), Array(9,1), Array(10,1),
Array(11,1), Array(12,2))

Let me know if this works for you,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug  7 12:55:06 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:55:06 -0500
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <543622.51501.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <543622.51501.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A7C5C6A.3000501@hyperactivesw.com>

Jan Schenkel wrote:
> Hmm, it seems to be missing the 'URL' keyword - what happens if you change: 
>   start using stack tStack
> into:
>   start using stack URL tStack

I was kicking myself for not noticing that, and had high hopes, but it 
still fails the same way.

Using the "url" keyword, I can now "go" to the stack which appears 
behind the browser window. But when I try to start using the now-opened 
stack, it fails with the same error codes.

This also fails with the same errors:

   go stack url tStack
   put there is a stack "teststack" into fld 1 -- it's now open, but 
this errors

I'll keep tinkering with it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From josh at dvcreators.net  Fri Aug  7 12:55:31 2009
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:55:31 -0700
Subject: revweb and videos (quicktime and youtube)
In-Reply-To: <4A7C281C.8010509@together.net>
References: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>	<f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7BEC9D.4000202@gmail.com>	<4A7C07D7.50209@together.net>	<4A7C0E9E.7020400@together.net>	<C7441C72-FE5D-4144-85F1-229D2EABA491@major.on-rev.com>	<4A7C1E55.8060701@together.net>
	<4A268CF8-04E9-4BB4-B61B-1F21B8B37AC0@major.on-rev.com>
	<4A7C281C.8010509@together.net>
Message-ID: <6DE6C59C-77D6-429B-A0E7-B422ABE2C479@dvcreators.net>

Richard,

I wonder if there a way you could grab the HTML embed code from the  
page the Youtube movie is on and use that to embed the Youtube player  
right on the web page (forgetting about the rev player)?

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 7, 2009, at 6:11 AM, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:

> Thanks, Klaus. It was your latter suggestion that I was thinking of,  
> but I also found out the "revbrowser" does not appear to work in a  
> revlet. Having a browser open up inside a revlet, which is itself  
> open inside a browser... seems kind of convoluted... but could  
> actually provide some useful functionality.
>
> Richard
>
>
>
> Klaus Major wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>>> Hi Klaus,
>>>
>>> Yes, I know FLV is not directly playable in Quicktime. I am  
>>> looking for a workaround... some way to play a YouTube video in a  
>>> revlet, other than directly through a Quicktime player. Could be  
>>> impossible.
>>
>> Yep, I'm afraid it is impossible, since the only crossplatform way  
>> to play an FLV without QT is
>> via the FLASH browser plug-in, and using "RevBrowser" inside a  
>> revlet is not supported, as
>> far as I know.
>>
>>> Perian looks to be Mac only.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Richard
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Klaus
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug  7 13:13:31 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 12:13:31 -0500
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <4A7C5C6A.3000501@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <543622.51501.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<4A7C5C6A.3000501@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A7C60BB.2060906@hyperactivesw.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Jan Schenkel wrote:
>> Hmm, it seems to be missing the 'URL' keyword - what happens if you 
>> change:   start using stack tStack
>> into:
>>   start using stack URL tStack
> 
> I was kicking myself for not noticing that, and had high hopes, but it 
> still fails the same way.
> 
> Using the "url" keyword, I can now "go" to the stack which appears 
> behind the browser window. But when I try to start using the now-opened 
> stack, it fails with the same error codes.
> 
> This also fails with the same errors:
> 
>   go stack url tStack
>   put there is a stack "teststack" into fld 1 -- it's now open, but this 
> errors
> 
> I'll keep tinkering with it.
> 

Okay, this seems to work:

   put "http://jacque.on-rev.com/testapp/teststack.rev" into tStack
   put the short name of this stack into tMainStack
   go stack url tStack -- opens behind browser
   go stack tMainStack -- return to revlet
   start using stack "teststack" -- no errors!
   put the stacksinuse into fld 1 -- it's there

Going back to the revlet before continuing the script works. I haven't 
yet tried whether the stack in use will actually catch any messages, I'm 
out of time right now, but will test more later.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
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From wow at together.net  Fri Aug  7 13:16:43 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 13:16:43 -0400
Subject: revweb and videos (quicktime and youtube)
In-Reply-To: <6DE6C59C-77D6-429B-A0E7-B422ABE2C479@dvcreators.net>
References: <4A7B6AA1.2010906@gmail.com>	<f99b52860908061648y4e94af0xade2b165d9a332a5@mail.gmail.com>	<4A7BEC9D.4000202@gmail.com>	<4A7C07D7.50209@together.net>	<4A7C0E9E.7020400@together.net>	<C7441C72-FE5D-4144-85F1-229D2EABA491@major.on-rev.com>	<4A7C1E55.8060701@together.net>	<4A268CF8-04E9-4BB4-B61B-1F21B8B37AC0@major.on-rev.com>	<4A7C281C.8010509@together.net>
	<6DE6C59C-77D6-429B-A0E7-B422ABE2C479@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <4A7C617B.6070409@together.net>

Josh,

That certainly works, but it largely defeats the goal of having 
everything integrated into the revlet. It would be hard (at best) to 
integrate the two during the same viewing experience for the user.

Richard




Josh Mellicker wrote:
> Richard,
>
> I wonder if there a way you could grab the HTML embed code from the 
> page the Youtube movie is on and use that to embed the Youtube player 
> right on the web page (forgetting about the rev player)?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 7, 2009, at 6:11 AM, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Klaus. It was your latter suggestion that I was thinking of, 
>> but I also found out the "revbrowser" does not appear to work in a 
>> revlet. Having a browser open up inside a revlet, which is itself 
>> open inside a browser... seems kind of convoluted... but could 
>> actually provide some useful functionality.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>>
>> Klaus Major wrote:
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>
>>>> Hi Klaus,
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I know FLV is not directly playable in Quicktime. I am looking 
>>>> for a workaround... some way to play a YouTube video in a revlet, 
>>>> other than directly through a Quicktime player. Could be impossible.
>>>
>>> Yep, I'm afraid it is impossible, since the only crossplatform way 
>>> to play an FLV without QT is
>>> via the FLASH browser plug-in, and using "RevBrowser" inside a 
>>> revlet is not supported, as
>>> far as I know.
>>>
>>>> Perian looks to be Mac only.
>>>
>>> Yes.
>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Richard
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> Klaus
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Aug  7 13:22:43 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 10:22:43 -0700
Subject: Chunks vs Arrays - surprising benchmarking results
Message-ID: <4A7C62E3.5050903@fourthworld.com>

Paul Looney wrote:
> I have nothing to add directly to the chunk vs array discussion  
> (Trevor's reply was very good) but I have often found it helpful to  
> increase the speed of compound selections by breaking them into  
> individual ones.
> 
> For instance if you have a large database of names and sexes and you  
> want to select every female named "Jan" ("Jan" could be male or female).
> Select all of the Jans first (this will run much faster than the  
> compound selection).
> Then select all of the females from the result of the first selection  
> (this will run faster because it is searching only "Jan"s - a very  
> small list).
> This double selection will run faster than a single compound selection.
> 
> Obviously this requires a known data-set where one filter will  
> eliminate a lot of records (selecting "female", then selecting "Jan"  
> would be much slower in our example because, presumably, half of the  
> list is female and a small portion is Jan).
> On many lists this can create a much bigger speed difference than  
> chunk vs array variance you noted.

One of the tough challenges with this sort of benchmarking is that 
different methods will favor different test cases.

But with delimited rows and columns, I haven't found a way to make a 
two-pass search run faster than one pass, except in very specialized 
cases as you noted.

There's a temptation to use the filter command for the first pass, but 
filter is only faster when testing the first few items; filtering on the 
10th item is much slower, and attempting to test the 50th item in a 
sample data set caused Rev to hang.  RegEx is a harsh mistress.

In my case, I don't often know in advance which item will be searched. 
The queries I'm running usually come from a Search dialog in which the 
user can specify criteria.  I could make the search function smart 
enough to special-case certain types of searches to use a two-pass 
method in which the first pass is the filter command where practical, 
but the overhead of analyzing both the query and the data to make such 
determinations may detract from the benefits of doing so, esp. since my 
continued testing on this is increasingly nudging me toward 
multi-dimensional arrays anyway.  Even with the data bloat and the 
surprising overhead of moving arrays in and out of storage, with a 
little extra work to deal with those the performance of arrays seems 
unbeatable in the broadest range of use cases I've run thus far.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Aug  7 13:26:01 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:26:01 +0200
Subject: [OT]  Project Canvas!
Message-ID: <5B0A8CF0-02CA-4EEA-8802-94A8A4D2AB0D@ezpzapps.com>

Hmmm... just got this email. Kinda. sorta. sounds like a Revlet thang.

sims


Koingo Software is pleased to introduce Project Canvas! It is a  
multimedia presentation tool, much like industry giant PowerPoint (or  
for those two remember it: HyperCard), but comes at the fraction of  
the cost. Create click-by-click adventure games, interactive  
tutorials, storybooks, school presentations, and more!

Sporting a cross-platform compatible file format, Project Canvas files  
can also contain an unlimited number of cards and buttons. Buttons can  
perform a variety of actions from getting and setting variables,  
playing movies, and transitioning between cards with visual effects to  
playing sounds, playing music, speaking text, prompting the user for  
feedback and more!

One of the most versatile features of Project Canvas is the ability to  
export a Stand Alone copy of a stack. The stack will be exported as an  
executable file that can be run without having to have Project Canvas  
installed! In addition, specify special kiosk-style features like  
hiding the menubar or making the stack run full screen.


http://www.koingosw.com/products/projectcanvas.php

From support at ahsomme.com  Fri Aug  7 13:51:51 2009
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 10:51:51 -0700
Subject: Chunks vs Arrays - surprising benchmarking results
In-Reply-To: <4A7C62E3.5050903@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A7C62E3.5050903@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <40BE503C-76C6-4177-95D2-531E91A3A043@ahsomme.com>

Richard,
Very true. Especially regarding the limitations of the filter.
The multiple search works best with hardwired searches and searches  
where the user selects from a series of pop-up or radio buttons. It  
works well when you are generating canned lists.
PL

On Aug 7, 2009, at 10:22 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Paul Looney wrote:
>> I have nothing to add directly to the chunk vs array discussion   
>> (Trevor's reply was very good) but I have often found it helpful  
>> to  increase the speed of compound selections by breaking them  
>> into  individual ones.
>> For instance if you have a large database of names and sexes and  
>> you  want to select every female named "Jan" ("Jan" could be male  
>> or female).
>> Select all of the Jans first (this will run much faster than the   
>> compound selection).
>> Then select all of the females from the result of the first  
>> selection  (this will run faster because it is searching only  
>> "Jan"s - a very  small list).
>> This double selection will run faster than a single compound  
>> selection.
>> Obviously this requires a known data-set where one filter will   
>> eliminate a lot of records (selecting "female", then selecting  
>> "Jan"  would be much slower in our example because, presumably,  
>> half of the  list is female and a small portion is Jan).
>> On many lists this can create a much bigger speed difference than   
>> chunk vs array variance you noted.
>
> One of the tough challenges with this sort of benchmarking is that  
> different methods will favor different test cases.
>
> But with delimited rows and columns, I haven't found a way to make  
> a two-pass search run faster than one pass, except in very  
> specialized cases as you noted.
>
> There's a temptation to use the filter command for the first pass,  
> but filter is only faster when testing the first few items;  
> filtering on the 10th item is much slower, and attempting to test  
> the 50th item in a sample data set caused Rev to hang.  RegEx is a  
> harsh mistress.
>
> In my case, I don't often know in advance which item will be  
> searched. The queries I'm running usually come from a Search dialog  
> in which the user can specify criteria.  I could make the search  
> function smart enough to special-case certain types of searches to  
> use a two-pass method in which the first pass is the filter command  
> where practical, but the overhead of analyzing both the query and  
> the data to make such determinations may detract from the benefits  
> of doing so, esp. since my continued testing on this is  
> increasingly nudging me toward multi-dimensional arrays anyway.   
> Even with the data bloat and the surprising overhead of moving  
> arrays in and out of storage, with a little extra work to deal with  
> those the performance of arrays seems unbeatable in the broadest  
> range of use cases I've run thus far.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Aug  7 13:57:43 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:57:43 -0600
Subject: [OT]  Project Canvas!
In-Reply-To: <5B0A8CF0-02CA-4EEA-8802-94A8A4D2AB0D@ezpzapps.com>
References: <5B0A8CF0-02CA-4EEA-8802-94A8A4D2AB0D@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <8827ED8F-524C-4AE3-9D89-07D641B01C81@byu.edu>


On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:26 AM, jim sims wrote:

> Hmmm... just got this email. Kinda. sorta. sounds like a Revlet thang.

A quick peak at the company's web site reveals this:

"All Koingo Software titles are proudly developed using REALbasic, and  
the comprehensive plugin set from Monkeybread Software."

So it looks like they're building a Hyper-Cardy interface on top of  
REALbasic.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Aug  7 14:15:58 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 11:15:58 -0700
Subject: Chunks vs Arrays - surprising benchmarking results
Message-ID: <4A7C6F5E.7080605@fourthworld.com>

Kevin Miller wrote:

> On 05/08/2009 21:02, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
>> Excellent sleuthing, Trevor.   Confirmed:  with that change I'm getting
>> the same results.  Who would have thought there could be so much
>> overhead moving a custom property array into a variable array?
> 
> Bear in mind that when retrieving a custom property, the engine has to look
> up whether there is a getProp handler for it. Locking messages should give
> you an improvement.

In my tests here the difference was measurable but minor, but then again 
I have no getProp handlers in the message path for these tests.


> The main difference between arrays and chunks is that arrays will continue
> to access huge data sets in linear time, whereas chunks (depending on
> exactly what you're doing) will slow down as the data set gets larger.

Very true, though the difference becomes most significant only when the 
data is large enough that it may be a good time to consider SQLite over 
stack files for storage anyway. :)


In my tests I ran three sets of data:

small: 5000 records, with 50 items in each record, with 50 chars in each 
item

medium: 10,000 records with 100 items in each record, with 100 chars in 
each item

large: 10,000 records with 100 items in each record, with 200 chars in 
each item

I put both the delimited and array data into the same stack for each, 
giving me a size for the small stack of about 27MB, medium was about 
204MB, and large was over 408MB.

The small data set performed well with both methods, as did medium 
although the medium stack took some time to load (confirming my hunch 
that 100MB of data is probably a good boundary to consider using SQLite 
over stack files, but fortunately I'm using this just for document files 
so it's unlikely I'll ever reach even half that).

The large data set could be created and saved, but the resulting stack 
could not be opened; no corruption warning, just wouldn't open.  Have I 
discovered an undocumented limitation?

The results were as we would expect: as the data grows in size, 
performance of the array search method scales linearly, while 
performance for chunk expressions degrade in logarithmic proportion to 
data length.

Even so, chunk expressions consistently outperformed arrays in tests 
which included loading the data from properties.

When I altered the test to preload the data into vars before testing, 
the difference in performance was just under an order of magnitude 
greater in favor of arrays.

While this means changing my setup to preload data when documents are 
first opened, this one-time hit is more than compensated by ongoing 
performance enhancement for nearly all other operations.


So I'm strongly favoring arrays for this sort of thing, but it would be 
nice to have three enhancements in the engine to make it even better:

1. faster load time
-------------------
Can the operation which moves data from array custom props into array 
variables be optimized to reduce the surprising amount of time it takes? 
Grabbing a non-array property is nearly as fast as accessing a global; 
it'd be nice if accessing array props were at least a bit closer to that 
stellar performance.

2. operate directly on properties
---------------------------------
It would be very handy if we could use the same array syntax to work 
with properties as we can with variables.  Before multi-dimensional 
arrays there was an enjoyable, learnable, and efficient parity in the 
syntax used for arrays in both vars and props, and I miss that when 
working with nested arrays.


3. reduce data redundancy in keys
---------------------------------
Given that Rev's arrays are associative every element is a name-value 
pair, so in addition to storing the value it needs to also store the 
name as its key.  This is necessary because for all the engines knows 
every array may contain unique keys, but when making nested arrays in 
which the inner arrays are all uniform the replicated key names just 
take up space.

For example, with the Congress contact info I used in my original 
example, it's only 530 lines with less than 1/2k per line, so tucking 
that into a property in a new stack gives me a size for that stack file 
of about 68k.

But when I make an array version of that data and store that into a 
property in another stack, using meaningful names for those elements 
(e.g., "Name", "Address", "Telephone", etc.) brings that stack size up 
to 132k - more than double.

So I was daydreaming:  what if we could tell the engine that a given 
array is to be populated only with sub-arrays in which all keys will 
always be the same?

Imagine being able to define something like a struct, a definition of an 
array which could be assigned to another array so that parent array 
would be able to store the data more efficiently, tucking only the data 
into its nifty hash without having to replicate the field names for 
every element.

I would imagine such a struct-like thing would have a great many uses, 
in addition to reducing memory and storage requirements for uniform 
arrays as elements of a parent array.

Doable?  By Tuesday, perhaps? :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Aug  7 14:22:16 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:22:16 -0700
Subject: [OT] Project Canvas!
In-Reply-To: <8827ED8F-524C-4AE3-9D89-07D641B01C81@byu.edu>
References: <5B0A8CF0-02CA-4EEA-8802-94A8A4D2AB0D@ezpzapps.com>
	<8827ED8F-524C-4AE3-9D89-07D641B01C81@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908071122r6d4bd9fcm74842e3a87b64f73@mail.gmail.com>

They can try, but it's still Realbasic underneath......
I wonder if Realbasic has script limits...

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/7 Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu>

>
> On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:26 AM, jim sims wrote:
>
>  Hmmm... just got this email. Kinda. sorta. sounds like a Revlet thang.
>>
>
> A quick peak at the company's web site reveals this:
>
> "All Koingo Software titles are proudly developed using REALbasic, and the
> comprehensive plugin set from Monkeybread Software."
>
> So it looks like they're building a Hyper-Cardy interface on top of
> REALbasic.
>
> Devin
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
>
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Aug  7 14:49:26 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 19:49:26 +0100
Subject: [OT]  Project Canvas!
In-Reply-To: <8827ED8F-524C-4AE3-9D89-07D641B01C81@byu.edu>
References: <5B0A8CF0-02CA-4EEA-8802-94A8A4D2AB0D@ezpzapps.com>
	<8827ED8F-524C-4AE3-9D89-07D641B01C81@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <E3724474-7B10-4688-AA05-51FC047E7DFC@azurevision.co.uk>


On 7 Aug 2009, at 18:57, Devin Asay wrote:

> So it looks like they're building a Hyper-Cardy interface on top of  
> REALbasic.

Wouldn't that be against the REALbasic EULA, assuming it's similar to  
the Runrev one?

Ian


From pmbrig at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 14:54:19 2009
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 14:54:19 -0400
Subject: Print to PDF?
In-Reply-To: <E2209B45-FB31-4BFB-9DC2-29461432DA78@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com> <24851808.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A7B5BE1.1020609@gmail.com>
	<E2209B45-FB31-4BFB-9DC2-29461432DA78@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <CA34DB63-33CD-4274-8F5E-8A0B142FCB2A@gmail.com>

On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:

<snip>
> put the number of lines of theText into n
>   repeat with i = n down  to 2
>      get line i of theText
>      if it is empty and line (i-1) of theText is empty then
>         delete line i of theText
>      end if
>   end repeat
<snip>

Couldn't you do this part faster with

replace cr & cr with cr in theText

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Aug  7 14:58:21 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 11:58:21 -0700
Subject: [OT] Project Canvas!
In-Reply-To: <E3724474-7B10-4688-AA05-51FC047E7DFC@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <5B0A8CF0-02CA-4EEA-8802-94A8A4D2AB0D@ezpzapps.com>
	<8827ED8F-524C-4AE3-9D89-07D641B01C81@byu.edu>
	<E3724474-7B10-4688-AA05-51FC047E7DFC@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908071158y57ec81ecy9df7b2692d727367@mail.gmail.com>

perhaps not if they made their own interpreter/compiler/syntax. But wouldn't
that abstraction be pretty slow,then?

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/7 Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk>

>
> On 7 Aug 2009, at 18:57, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>  So it looks like they're building a Hyper-Cardy interface on top of
>> REALbasic.
>>
>
> Wouldn't that be against the REALbasic EULA, assuming it's similar to the
> Runrev one?
>
> Ian
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Aug  7 15:26:13 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 21:26:13 +0200
Subject: [OT] Project Canvas!
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70908071158y57ec81ecy9df7b2692d727367@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5B0A8CF0-02CA-4EEA-8802-94A8A4D2AB0D@ezpzapps.com>
	<8827ED8F-524C-4AE3-9D89-07D641B01C81@byu.edu>
	<E3724474-7B10-4688-AA05-51FC047E7DFC@azurevision.co.uk>
	<e5e009d70908071158y57ec81ecy9df7b2692d727367@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D073B5A1-4A5A-4DE8-81B1-582BA61A2E09@economy-x-talk.com>

AFAIK the RB EULA is slightly more flexible than the Rev EULA in this  
respect.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software products to http://www.quickestpublisher.com and  
get found!

If you sent me an e-mail before 8th July and haven't got a reply yet,  
please send me a reminder.



On 7 aug 2009, at 20:58, stephen barncard wrote:

> perhaps not if they made their own interpreter/compiler/syntax. But  
> wouldn't
> that abstraction be pretty slow,then?
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
>
>
> 2009/8/7 Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk>

>>
>> Wouldn't that be against the REALbasic EULA, assuming it's similar  
>> to the
>> Runrev one?
>>
>> Ian



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Fri Aug  7 16:02:24 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:02:24 +0200
Subject: Print to PDF?
In-Reply-To: <CA34DB63-33CD-4274-8F5E-8A0B142FCB2A@gmail.com>
References: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com> <24851808.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A7B5BE1.1020609@gmail.com>
	<E2209B45-FB31-4BFB-9DC2-29461432DA78@mines-paristech.fr>
	<CA34DB63-33CD-4274-8F5E-8A0B142FCB2A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DDA399A0-7243-4481-869E-ACC23228EAEA@mines-paristech.fr>

wouldn't it turn cr & cr & cr & cr into cr & cr ?

Le 7 ao?t 09 ? 20:54, Peter Brigham MD a ?crit :

> On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> put the number of lines of theText into n
>>  repeat with i = n down  to 2
>>     get line i of theText
>>     if it is empty and line (i-1) of theText is empty then
>>        delete line i of theText
>>     end if
>>  end repeat
> <snip>
>
> Couldn't you do this part faster with
>
> replace cr & cr with cr in theText
>
> -- Peter
>





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 16:37:02 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 23:37:02 +0300
Subject: Print to PDF?
In-Reply-To: <DDA399A0-7243-4481-869E-ACC23228EAEA@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com>
	<24851808.post@talk.nabble.com>	<4A7B5BE1.1020609@gmail.com>	<E2209B45-FB31-4BFB-9DC2-29461432DA78@mines-paristech.fr>	<CA34DB63-33CD-4274-8F5E-8A0B142FCB2A@gmail.com>
	<DDA399A0-7243-4481-869E-ACC23228EAEA@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <4A7C906E.9030004@gmail.com>

Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
> wouldn't it turn cr & cr & cr & cr into cr & cr ?
>
> Le 7 ao?t 09 ? 20:54, Peter Brigham MD a ?crit :
>
>> On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> put the number of lines of theText into n
>>>  repeat with i = n down  to 2
>>>     get line i of theText
>>>     if it is empty and line (i-1) of theText is empty then
>>>        delete line i of theText
>>>     end if
>>>  end repeat
>> <snip>
>>
>> Couldn't you do this part faster with
>>
>> replace cr & cr with cr in theText
>>
>> -- Peter
>>
>
Je ne comprends rien.  Je cherche un plus simple method a exporter un PDF.



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Aug  7 16:45:00 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:45:00 +0200
Subject: Print to PDF?
In-Reply-To: <DDA399A0-7243-4481-869E-ACC23228EAEA@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com> <24851808.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A7B5BE1.1020609@gmail.com>
	<E2209B45-FB31-4BFB-9DC2-29461432DA78@mines-paristech.fr>
	<CA34DB63-33CD-4274-8F5E-8A0B142FCB2A@gmail.com>
	<DDA399A0-7243-4481-869E-ACC23228EAEA@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <B249168D-A37D-4192-B460-9079B3C23AB4@economy-x-talk.com>

What about

repeat until cr & cr is not in theText
   replace (cr & cr) with cr in theText
end repeat

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software products to http://www.quickestpublisher.com and  
get found!

If you sent me an e-mail before 8th July and haven't got a reply yet,  
please send me a reminder.


On 7 aug 2009, at 22:02, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:

> wouldn't it turn cr & cr & cr & cr into cr & cr ?
>
> Le 7 ao?t 09 ? 20:54, Peter Brigham MD a ?crit :
>
>> On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> put the number of lines of theText into n
>>> repeat with i = n down  to 2
>>>    get line i of theText
>>>    if it is empty and line (i-1) of theText is empty then
>>>       delete line i of theText
>>>    end if
>>> end repeat
>> <snip>
>>
>> Couldn't you do this part faster with
>>
>> replace cr & cr with cr in theText
>>
>> -- Peter
>>



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Aug  7 16:49:14 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 15:49:14 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
Message-ID: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>

Revolutionistas and script editor aficionados,

We now have video of the tRev Feature Friday, Aug 7:

- http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-aug-7-video-part-one
- http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-aug-7-video-part-two-0
- http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-aug-7-video-part-3-of-3

You will see:

- how tRev recognizes datagrids as a single object
- how you can quickly get to the parent script of any object
- a new built-in object (aka application) browser that occupies any  
empty tab!

That last part is the BIG one. This object browser changes the script  
editing game. Less clicking, more finding what you want while you can  
still remember what it was! (Oldster comment alert!)

Enjoy your day at the movies!

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri Aug  7 16:57:28 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:57:28 -0400
Subject: [OT] Project Canvas!
Message-ID: <1A7F8CD2-719C-4EA5-8716-8BCB487F55A3@wehostmacs.com>

No script limits and there is a special scripting language that you  
can use in your compiled applications.. plus multi-threaded, 3D  
(their own 3D and OpenGL in the newest version), native data grid  
controls, server sockets, daemon and command-line programs and and  
and... 


From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Fri Aug  7 16:57:44 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:57:44 +0200
Subject: Print to PDF?
In-Reply-To: <B249168D-A37D-4192-B460-9079B3C23AB4@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com> <24851808.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A7B5BE1.1020609@gmail.com>
	<E2209B45-FB31-4BFB-9DC2-29461432DA78@mines-paristech.fr>
	<CA34DB63-33CD-4274-8F5E-8A0B142FCB2A@gmail.com>
	<DDA399A0-7243-4481-869E-ACC23228EAEA@mines-paristech.fr>
	<B249168D-A37D-4192-B460-9079B3C23AB4@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <0CDC7342-0CEF-4F24-835B-6C33C4BF757D@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 7 ao?t 09 ? 22:45, Mark Schonewille a ?crit :

> What about
>
> repeat until cr & cr is not in theText
>  replace (cr & cr) with cr in theText
> end repeat
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
yes, this does it.

cheers
Fran?ois



From lists at futilism.com  Fri Aug  7 17:13:54 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:13:54 +0100
Subject: Print to PDF?
In-Reply-To: <0CDC7342-0CEF-4F24-835B-6C33C4BF757D@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com> <24851808.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A7B5BE1.1020609@gmail.com>
	<E2209B45-FB31-4BFB-9DC2-29461432DA78@mines-paristech.fr>
	<CA34DB63-33CD-4274-8F5E-8A0B142FCB2A@gmail.com>
	<DDA399A0-7243-4481-869E-ACC23228EAEA@mines-paristech.fr>
	<B249168D-A37D-4192-B460-9079B3C23AB4@economy-x-talk.com>
	<0CDC7342-0CEF-4F24-835B-6C33C4BF757D@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <76E053FD-EDC9-4456-A786-7BC007550237@futilism.com>

Also, "filter theText without empty" will do the same job.

best,

Mark Smith

On 7 Aug 2009, at 21:57, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:

>
> Le 7 ao?t 09 ? 22:45, Mark Schonewille a ?crit :
>
>> What about
>>
>> repeat until cr & cr is not in theText
>>  replace (cr & cr) with cr in theText
>> end repeat
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille
>>
> yes, this does it.
>
> cheers
> Fran?ois
>
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Fri Aug  7 17:18:34 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:18:34 +0200
Subject: Print to PDF?
In-Reply-To: <4A7C906E.9030004@gmail.com>
References: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com>
	<24851808.post@talk.nabble.com>	<4A7B5BE1.1020609@gmail.com>	<E2209B45-FB31-4BFB-9DC2-29461432DA78@mines-paristech.fr>	<CA34DB63-33CD-4274-8F5E-8A0B142FCB2A@gmail.com>
	<DDA399A0-7243-4481-869E-ACC23228EAEA@mines-paristech.fr>
	<4A7C906E.9030004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8B54A5A2-6F51-401A-B833-2E7FE7463453@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 7 ao?t 09 ? 22:37, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>> wouldn't it turn cr & cr & cr & cr into cr & cr ?
>>
>> Le 7 ao?t 09 ? 20:54, Peter Brigham MD a ?crit :
>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> put the number of lines of theText into n
>>>> repeat with i = n down  to 2
>>>>    get line i of theText
>>>>    if it is empty and line (i-1) of theText is empty then
>>>>       delete line i of theText
>>>>    end if
>>>> end repeat
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> Couldn't you do this part faster with
>>>
>>> replace cr & cr with cr in theText
>>>
>>> -- Peter
>>>
>>
> Je ne comprends rien.  Je cherche un plus simple method a exporter  
> un PDF.
>

 From one of you previous posts, I understood that you wanted to turn  
the content of a field into PDF. Since PDF is a bit too complicated to  
produce from scratch, what I propose is to

a) translate the HTMLtext of the field into a page description  
language which
b) can easily produce PDF without writing extra code

LaTeX can do that, it is freeware, it has a large community of users,  
and runs on Mac OS X (and 7.x etc..), windows and linux.
You could also output an HTML file and print from a browser, or use  
RTF and produce PDF (with applescript, probably, or VB)
(La)TeX is a professional typesetting environment, and has been around  
since the early 80's; more info in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX

You can found a quick and not so dirty output of my routines here
http://cjoint.com/?ihxq4748Qm (a PDF file)
which displays the dictionary entries for the XML library

cheers
	Fran?ois



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 18:01:21 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 23:01:21 +0100
Subject: Print to PDF?
In-Reply-To: <8B54A5A2-6F51-401A-B833-2E7FE7463453@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <4A7B0386.9090309@gmail.com> <24851808.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A7B5BE1.1020609@gmail.com>
	<E2209B45-FB31-4BFB-9DC2-29461432DA78@mines-paristech.fr>
	<CA34DB63-33CD-4274-8F5E-8A0B142FCB2A@gmail.com>
	<DDA399A0-7243-4481-869E-ACC23228EAEA@mines-paristech.fr>
	<4A7C906E.9030004@gmail.com>
	<8B54A5A2-6F51-401A-B833-2E7FE7463453@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908071501t6b2661bdg3e6aad47d5beb752@mail.gmail.com>

Fran?ois, thanks for this idea.  I have Quartam PDF but there are
situations where I can imagine using your idea.  It may not be what
Richmond wants, but it is quite ingenious.

Bernard

2009/8/7 Fran?ois Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr>:
> From one of you previous posts, I understood that you wanted to turn the
> content of a field into PDF. Since PDF is a bit too complicated to produce
> from scratch, what I propose is to
>
> a) translate the HTMLtext of the field into a page description language
> which
> b) can easily produce PDF without writing extra code
>
> LaTeX can do that, it is freeware, it has a large community of users, and
> runs on Mac OS X (and 7.x etc..), windows and linux.
> You could also output an HTML file and print from a browser, or use RTF and
> produce PDF (with applescript, probably, or VB)
> (La)TeX is a professional typesetting environment, and has been around since
> the early 80's; more info in wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeX


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 19:33:54 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:33:54 +1000
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Jerry Daniels<jerry.daniels at me.com> wrote:
> Revolutionistas and script editor aficionados,
>
> We now have video of the tRev Feature Friday, Aug 7:
>
> - http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-aug-7-video-part-one
> - http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-aug-7-video-part-two-0
> - http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-aug-7-video-part-3-of-3
>
> You will see:
>
> - how tRev recognizes datagrids as a single object
> - how you can quickly get to the parent script of any object
> - a new built-in object (aka application) browser that occupies any empty
> tab!
>
> That last part is the BIG one. This object browser changes the script
> editing game. Less clicking, more finding what you want while you can still
> remember what it was! (Oldster comment alert!)


Amazing stuff Jerry. Congratulations - I bought tRev a few weeks ago
now and it was great then, but it just keeps getting better & better
:-)

Cheers,
Sarah


From iowahengst at mac.com  Fri Aug  7 19:36:27 2009
From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:36:27 -0400
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <4C6A6378-4AF6-4167-8DE1-03C281B67956@mac.com>






From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri Aug  7 20:09:54 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:09:54 -0400
Subject: [upd] WebRing
Message-ID: <071C9391-DE78-4C17-AB53-92AAD67A7D64@wehostmacs.com>

Quick note to the members of the Runtime Revolution WebRing, I  
updated the logo used to the new icon for Studio (the red left-thing)  
so you may want to see how it looks with your site (if you picked a  
custom logo you will not see the update)..

Also, to all the new users of Runtime Revolution (and perhaps some  
old timers as well) - if you have a website that showcases your work  
in Revolution please feel free to add yourself to the WebRing..

-Sean

< http://www.webring.com/t/Runtime-Revolution >


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Aug  7 21:19:07 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 20:19:07 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>

Thanks, Sarah!

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 7, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:49 AM, Jerry Daniels<jerry.daniels at me.com>  
> wrote:
>> Revolutionistas and script editor aficionados,
>>
>> We now have video of the tRev Feature Friday, Aug 7:
>>
>> - http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-aug-7-video-part-one
>> - http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-aug-7-video-part-two-0
>> - http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-aug-7-video-part-3-of-3
>>
>> You will see:
>>
>> - how tRev recognizes datagrids as a single object
>> - how you can quickly get to the parent script of any object
>> - a new built-in object (aka application) browser that occupies any  
>> empty
>> tab!
>>
>> That last part is the BIG one. This object browser changes the script
>> editing game. Less clicking, more finding what you want while you  
>> can still
>> remember what it was! (Oldster comment alert!)
>
>
> Amazing stuff Jerry. Congratulations - I bought tRev a few weeks ago
> now and it was great then, but it just keeps getting better & better
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From katir at hindu.org  Fri Aug  7 21:38:17 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2009 15:38:17 -1000
Subject: Web Developers
Message-ID: <4A7CD709.4080408@hindu.org>

Aloha,

I regularly get requests for recommendations from people wanting to 
start a new web site.

Any of you Rev coders who also do web development, please contact me off 
list and I will add you to my list of people that I would recommend.

Note, most of those coming for such advice  often have no clue what they 
want other than a general concept. I try to advise them to read "Joel on 
Software" ... his marvelous articles on preparing functional 
specifications, in hopes that they will educate themselves to be "good 
clients"

I also advise them, that if they do not feel they are competent to 
generate a functional specification, that they should contract to pay by 
the hour instead of getting bids for a whole job--- and to expect this 
to cost more, -- but the end usually it means everyone gets what they 
won't and no one is "hurt" by not getting paid (developer) or client not 
getting his site done (developer gets fed up and bails)

Point: You may have to hand hold some of these people thru the initial 
stages of conceptualizing their end product. And usually these are not 
rich corporations asking for advice (they would not be coming to me if 
they were)

Contact me off list if site dev is part of your portfolio

Sivakatirswami



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat Aug  8 00:42:31 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:42:31 +0300
Subject: [OT] Project Canvas!
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70908071158y57ec81ecy9df7b2692d727367@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5B0A8CF0-02CA-4EEA-8802-94A8A4D2AB0D@ezpzapps.com>	<8827ED8F-524C-4AE3-9D89-07D641B01C81@byu.edu>	<E3724474-7B10-4688-AA05-51FC047E7DFC@azurevision.co.uk>
	<e5e009d70908071158y57ec81ecy9df7b2692d727367@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A7D0237.6070100@ekoinf.net>

shouldn't be slow as rb is compiled to machine code which means it 
should be as fast as C or C++. Although who can justify if it IS that 
fast in reality?

Viktoras

stephen barncard wrote:
> perhaps not if they made their own interpreter/compiler/syntax. But wouldn't
> that abstraction be pretty slow,then?
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
>
>
> 2009/8/7 Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk>
>
>   
>> On 7 Aug 2009, at 18:57, Devin Asay wrote:
>>
>>  So it looks like they're building a Hyper-Cardy interface on top of
>>     
>>> REALbasic.
>>>
>>>       
>> Wouldn't that be against the REALbasic EULA, assuming it's similar to the
>> Runrev one?
>>
>> Ian
>>
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 00:51:01 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:51:01 +0900
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>

>> Amazing stuff Jerry. Congratulations - I bought tRev a few weeks ago
>> now and it was great then, but it just keeps getting better & better
>> :-)

I just bought tRev an hour ago, and already I am frustrated with and
by it. (As I have been with GLX2, and the GLX before that...)

I tried to find on the tRev site some forum or mailing list for it, but no luck.

If there is one, how do I join?

If there isn't, how do I ask for help with tRev?

(Sorry for bothering the list.)

--
Nicolas Cueto


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Aug  8 01:27:49 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 22:27:49 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>
	<1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908072227x3afc3c38hf05d92efc016447b@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sorry you have problems.
try this first
http://www.revmentor.com/

Or email Jerry directly. He supports they who ask, but doesn't monitor this
list 24/7. You can find his email in one of his previous posts in this
thread.
A great feature of tRev is that it's just Jerry, no corporate layers or
phone trees. He's always quick to support his products.

One thing I did was to completely remove  GLX2 components from my plugins.
Not needed.

I have had 0 problems with tRev.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/7 Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>

>
> I just bought tRev an hour ago, and already I am frustrated with and
> by it. (As I have been with GLX2, and the GLX before that...)
>
> I tried to find on the tRev site some forum or mailing list for it, but no
> luck.
>
> If there is one, how do I join?
>
> If there isn't, how do I ask for help with tRev?
>
> (Sorry for bothering the list.)
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Aug  8 01:29:46 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:29:46 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>
	<1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DE7512C6-4528-42BD-A874-441BFF45BEE0@me.com>

Nicolas,

I thought the address of the tRev web site was all over the list. I  
must be mistaken. Here it is:

     http://reveditor.com

I have posted an email address on that site as well for questions,  
frustrations, etc.

     jerry at reveditor.com

You can post comments to the site. Sign up, etc.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:51 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

>>> Amazing stuff Jerry. Congratulations - I bought tRev a few weeks ago
>>> now and it was great then, but it just keeps getting better & better
>>> :-)
>
> I just bought tRev an hour ago, and already I am frustrated with and
> by it. (As I have been with GLX2, and the GLX before that...)
>
> I tried to find on the tRev site some forum or mailing list for it,  
> but no luck.
>
> If there is one, how do I join?
>
> If there isn't, how do I ask for help with tRev?
>
> (Sorry for bothering the list.)
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From briany at qldlearning.com  Sat Aug  8 03:00:41 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:00:41 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>
	<1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0345A05-BE71-459C-B428-4B7F66A03913@qldlearning.com>

Nicolas,

Considering it is pre-release software and apparently you have only  
had it for an hour, it seems a little unnecessary to flame it on this  
list. Perplexingly as a two-time returning customer of GLX and GLX2.

Surely you could have contacted the author, or RunRev support, or  
simply asked for the information here w/o bashing the product.  
Thankfully I'm sure Jerry will still do his best to support you.

>>> Amazing stuff Jerry. Congratulations - I bought tRev a few weeks ago
>>> now and it was great then, but it just keeps getting better & better
>>> :-)
>
> I just bought tRev an hour ago, and already I am frustrated with and
> by it. (As I have been with GLX2, and the GLX before that...)
>
> I tried to find on the tRev site some forum or mailing list for it,  
> but no luck.
>
> If there is one, how do I join?
>
> If there isn't, how do I ask for help with tRev?
>
> (Sorry for bothering the list.)
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Aug  8 03:34:24 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:34:24 +0200
Subject: revlet saves txt file
Message-ID: <AD00540A-120D-4F7E-8F88-45C85C5B3E47@skynet.be>

Hi list


I've a big problem

I have a revlet which saves prefs in a txt file

But on my webserver

1) my webHoster doesn't support the post command
2) my webhoster doesn't support CGI
3) my webhoster does support SQL but RevMedia has no drivers for SQL
5) my webhoster does support PHP. So perhaps through PHP it should be  
possible but I have no idea how I can make a PHP script within rev

So, has anybody an idea how to proceed ??

Thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From briany at qldlearning.com  Sat Aug  8 03:48:20 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 00:48:20 -0700
Subject: revlet saves txt file
In-Reply-To: <AD00540A-120D-4F7E-8F88-45C85C5B3E47@skynet.be>
References: <AD00540A-120D-4F7E-8F88-45C85C5B3E47@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <C50E5651-5F74-47AC-ABD9-A163CC71B038@qldlearning.com>

Yves,

I assume you mean "PUT" command (not POST).

Does your host give you FTP access?

As for PHP, yes, you could probably write a simple PHP script -- not  
sure what you mean by "within rev". You would write the PHP script in  
any text editor, and save it to your server.

HTH

> Hi list
>
>
> I've a big problem
>
> I have a revlet which saves prefs in a txt file
>
> But on my webserver
>
> 1) my webHoster doesn't support the post command
> 2) my webhoster doesn't support CGI
> 3) my webhoster does support SQL but RevMedia has no drivers for SQL
> 5) my webhoster does support PHP. So perhaps through PHP it should  
> be possible but I have no idea how I can make a PHP script within rev
>
> So, has anybody an idea how to proceed ??
>
> Thanks.
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Aug  8 03:55:43 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:55:43 +0200
Subject: revlet saves txt file
In-Reply-To: <C50E5651-5F74-47AC-ABD9-A163CC71B038@qldlearning.com>
References: <AD00540A-120D-4F7E-8F88-45C85C5B3E47@skynet.be>
	<C50E5651-5F74-47AC-ABD9-A163CC71B038@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <CE809BA5-0BF6-42E1-A2CE-5858CFBFF7EA@skynet.be>


Le 08-ao?t-09 ? 09:48, Brian Yennie a ?crit :

> Yves,
>
> I assume you mean "PUT" command (not POST).
>
> Does your host give you FTP access?
>
> As for PHP, yes, you could probably write a simple PHP script -- not  
> sure what you mean by "within rev". You would write the PHP script  
> in any text editor, and save it to your server.
>


Re Brian,

thanks for your quick answer
My previous mail was not so clear
I will try to make it more comprehensive


I've tried to save my text with "PUT" and "POST" command
None work
So I try another solution

My question is
If I have a PHP script on my server which does the work, how can I  
"wakeup" this script from rev : a btn which saves the text of a fld  
and send it to a php script


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From briany at qldlearning.com  Sat Aug  8 04:11:27 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 01:11:27 -0700
Subject: revlet saves txt file
In-Reply-To: <CE809BA5-0BF6-42E1-A2CE-5858CFBFF7EA@skynet.be>
References: <AD00540A-120D-4F7E-8F88-45C85C5B3E47@skynet.be>
	<C50E5651-5F74-47AC-ABD9-A163CC71B038@qldlearning.com>
	<CE809BA5-0BF6-42E1-A2CE-5858CFBFF7EA@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <F5C6ACA4-FF04-42EB-AF93-963151A26F54@qldlearning.com>

Hi Yves,

You can POST the data *to* a PHP script. PUT command is designed for  
uploading a file (and many hosts do not support it). POST command as  
far as I know is supported by every host -- but you must have a script  
to receive the data. You cannot POST to just any URL.

So for example you would do something like:

post myData to "http://myserver.com/myscript.php"

And then you would have a PHP script which receives the data and  
writes it to the appropriate file:

(note: brackets used here so email doesn't turn this snippet into an  
HTML tag)

[?php

$pref1 = $_POST["pref1"];
$pref2 = $_POST["pref2"];

...

// write the prefs data to a file

?]

Hope that gets you a bit closer.

>
> Le 08-ao?t-09 ? 09:48, Brian Yennie a ?crit :
>
>> Yves,
>>
>> I assume you mean "PUT" command (not POST).
>>
>> Does your host give you FTP access?
>>
>> As for PHP, yes, you could probably write a simple PHP script --  
>> not sure what you mean by "within rev". You would write the PHP  
>> script in any text editor, and save it to your server.
>>
>
>
> Re Brian,
>
> thanks for your quick answer
> My previous mail was not so clear
> I will try to make it more comprehensive
>
>
> I've tried to save my text with "PUT" and "POST" command
> None work
> So I try another solution
>
> My question is
> If I have a PHP script on my server which does the work, how can I  
> "wakeup" this script from rev : a btn which saves the text of a fld  
> and send it to a php script
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Aug  8 04:59:31 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:59:31 +0200
Subject: revlet saves txt file
In-Reply-To: <F5C6ACA4-FF04-42EB-AF93-963151A26F54@qldlearning.com>
References: <AD00540A-120D-4F7E-8F88-45C85C5B3E47@skynet.be>
	<C50E5651-5F74-47AC-ABD9-A163CC71B038@qldlearning.com>
	<CE809BA5-0BF6-42E1-A2CE-5858CFBFF7EA@skynet.be>
	<F5C6ACA4-FF04-42EB-AF93-963151A26F54@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <3405EE9D-F1E6-4FCA-9426-4800F6EC70C1@skynet.be>


Le 08-ao?t-09 ? 10:11, Brian Yennie a ?crit :

> Hi Yves,
>
> You can POST the data *to* a PHP script. PUT command is designed for  
> uploading a file (and many hosts do not support it). POST command as  
> far as I know is supported by every host -- but you must have a  
> script to receive the data. You cannot POST to just any URL.
>
> So for example you would do something like:
>
> post myData to "http://myserver.com/myscript.php"
>
> And then you would have a PHP script which receives the data and  
> writes it to the appropriate file:
>
> (note: brackets used here so email doesn't turn this snippet into an  
> HTML tag)
>
> [?php
>
> $pref1 = $_POST["pref1"];
> $pref2 = $_POST["pref2"];
>
> ...
>
> // write the prefs data to a file
>
> ?]
>
> Hope that gets you a bit closer.






Re Brian,


Yes, it is exactly what I want to do
Thanks


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 05:47:38 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:47:38 +1000
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>
	<1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908080247n149e1faqb569749559270a2a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Nicolas Cueto<niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Amazing stuff Jerry. Congratulations - I bought tRev a few weeks ago
>>> now and it was great then, but it just keeps getting better & better
>>> :-)
>
> I just bought tRev an hour ago, and already I am frustrated with and
> by it. (As I have been with GLX2, and the GLX before that...)
>
> I tried to find on the tRev site some forum or mailing list for it, but no luck.
>
> If there is one, how do I join?
>
> If there isn't, how do I ask for help with tRev?
>

Since it was apparently my recommendation that lead to your purchase,
perhaps I can help.
What system are you using? What version of Rev? And what are your problems?
As I said in my previous email, I think it's wonderful and the only
serious problem I had has been fixed in the Feature Friday release.

Cheers,
Sarah


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 06:32:04 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:32:04 +0300
Subject: [upd] WebRing
In-Reply-To: <071C9391-DE78-4C17-AB53-92AAD67A7D64@wehostmacs.com>
References: <071C9391-DE78-4C17-AB53-92AAD67A7D64@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <4A7D5424.9010404@gmail.com>

Shao Sean wrote:
> Quick note to the members of the Runtime Revolution WebRing, I updated 
> the logo used to the new icon for Studio (the red left-thing) so you 
> may want to see how it looks with your site (if you picked a custom 
> logo you will not see the update)..
>
> Also, to all the new users of Runtime Revolution (and perhaps some old 
> timers as well) - if you have a website that showcases your work in 
> Revolution please feel free to add yourself to the WebRing..
>
> -Sean
>
> < http://www.webring.com/t/Runtime-Revolution >
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
I registered my new website with you; but my old one still shows up - 
would be
grateful if you could remove it.

Thanks, Richmond.


From niconiko at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 08:15:51 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:15:51 +0900
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <D0345A05-BE71-459C-B428-4B7F66A03913@qldlearning.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>
	<1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0345A05-BE71-459C-B428-4B7F66A03913@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70908080515o62169a23x59a7c813ce4b7e74@mail.gmail.com>

Defense shields coming up...

Let's be clear -- I was not flaming or bashing Jerry's work at all.
Why else, as Brian observed, would I return each time for more
punishment? Cause the whole concept of Jerry's work, as frustrating as
the software might be, is the way the Rev ide should ideally work.

Anyway, thank you for the rev-editor website ref, but I already knew
about it. Why am I posting here then? Well, it is not clear on the
rev-editor page how to post a comment. Tried the login area, but just
a spiel there about joining something called "Posterous" ("Sign up is
a snap, and lets you customize and edit your posterous.").

So, not wanting to hand out my email address to a "Posterous", and,
just as importantly, given that others here were already talking about
tRev (Sarah, I would've purchased tRev eventually, cause I do like
Jerry's work),  I took the tacit go-ahead and posted here.

Anyway.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sat Aug  8 12:31:16 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:31:16 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70908080515o62169a23x59a7c813ce4b7e74@mail.gmail.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>
	<1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0345A05-BE71-459C-B428-4B7F66A03913@qldlearning.com>
	<1e91b2b70908080515o62169a23x59a7c813ce4b7e74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EB151F0F-08AB-4FCA-945F-AD90688234C2@me.com>

Nicolas, et al.,

A good dialog on the virtues of a tool and it's areas where it can  
improve is always appreciated, I believe.

People buying tRev are buying pre-release software, but it is software  
that people are using to get real work done. This happening on Mac and  
PCs.

Have there been problems with individual systems and set-ups? YES.  
Have I dealt with everyone of those myself? YES.  No one is ignored,  
everyone gets an email from me, if they send me one.

I find people fascinating. For me, talking and emailing with others is  
one of my favorite parts of the day. If email doesn't get the problem  
solved, we use GoToMeeting and screen share.

Why have so many people bought tRev (pre-release software) without a  
trial or anything?

1. tRev works differently. People are ready for something different.  
Some are not. That's fine.

2. tRev works outside the IDE. This makes it very stable, once it's up  
and running. A handful of people have had install problems. Much of  
this was due to the set-up of folders where Rev resides. tRev has to  
know where Rev is in order to work. Much of this has been sorted.

3. tRev has several excellent features that really do change the way  
you script. Just ask the folks who have been using it. Auto-completion  
is very compelling. The built-in object browser really makes finding  
objects really easy. Parent scripts (behaviors) and datagrids are  
really built-in to the way it works.

4. People in our community understand that developing tools for a very  
small market is challenging financially, and they want to help. Plus,  
they want their toolset to evolve.

Here's a comment that I hear a lot: "Why isn't Revolution doing this?  
Why does this [Yank in Texas] have to do it?"

I can't control what Runtime Revolution does or doesn't do. I see a  
void and I try to fill it with a solution with little time and zero  
funding other than sales...make that pre-sales, actually.

Let's talk about Runtime Revolution the company. I have been to  
Edinburgh. Edinburgh has been here. I know these people and quite a  
bit about the day-to-day of their business life. I understand the  
software business and the developer tool business.

More than anything, I want to put the whole "why-isn't-Runrev-doing- 
this" thing in context. Here goes...

1. Revolution is a marvel. There is NOTHING like it anywhere on this  
planet. Truly. Cross-platform and soon-to-be cross-browser. There's  
even a server/storage solution. This is UNPRECEDENTED.

2. ALL major development environs lose money and are SUBSIDIZED by OS  
companies or hardware companies or universities. Kevin Miller's belief  
in himself and his product are what subsidizes Runtime Revolution. He  
puts himself on the line every day of every week to keep his shop  
running. The man is like steel-cut oatmeal. I don't know how he does  
it, frankly.

3. The Runrev development team barely have time to eat right now. They  
are making history with their product, and they've been kind enough to  
include us. I am truly grateful.

All that said, I still grouse about Revolution. But I know it's my own  
BS. In the video we did yesterday I jokingly point out how the  
Revolution IDE can be an excellent form of exercise with all it's  
clicking. But I am also quick to point out how hard the Runrev team is  
working and how I have not right to complain. I know it's bad form to  
joke at another's expense, but sometimes I just can't help myself.

So I am very entirely understanding when it comes to "why-isn't- 
Revoluton-doing-this" question. But my answer is: "thank God."

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 8, 2009, at 7:15 AM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Defense shields coming up...
>
> Let's be clear -- I was not flaming or bashing Jerry's work at all.
> Why else, as Brian observed, would I return each time for more
> punishment? Cause the whole concept of Jerry's work, as frustrating as
> the software might be, is the way the Rev ide should ideally work.
>
> Anyway, thank you for the rev-editor website ref, but I already knew
> about it. Why am I posting here then? Well, it is not clear on the
> rev-editor page how to post a comment. Tried the login area, but just
> a spiel there about joining something called "Posterous" ("Sign up is
> a snap, and lets you customize and edit your posterous.").
>
> So, not wanting to hand out my email address to a "Posterous", and,
> just as importantly, given that others here were already talking about
> tRev (Sarah, I would've purchased tRev eventually, cause I do like
> Jerry's work),  I took the tacit go-ahead and posted here.
>
> Anyway.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From joef1 at mac.com  Sat Aug  8 12:58:44 2009
From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:58:44 -0400
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15F8D4FA-EB15-4B8C-85B9-E950EF1EEDAB@mac.com>

I agree. Very nice and polished; fast and smooth. It's a luxury  
editing environment.
And still pre-release? I can't wait for the next Feature Friday.

One of my favorite features in any type of "optional add-on" thing is  
the ability to turn it off and on as needed. That's just plain  
considerate.

It's not easy for me to part with 50 bucks, but I'm glad I did.

Best,
Joe F.

On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:33 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Amazing stuff Jerry. Congratulations - I bought tRev a few weeks ago
> now and it was great then, but it just keeps getting better & better
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah



From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  8 13:51:54 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:51:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How do you solve this dilemma?
Message-ID: <24878034.post@talk.nabble.com>


How do you solve this dilemma?

For many years, i have been talking to my fellow
teachers and coworkers about Runtime Revolution
and how easy it is to create useful applications
for their own use.

Now, that Runrev have released the free Alpha version
of revMedia, i have wrote to all of them about this
new version.

Many of them have answered positively and have
started using revMedia. Great.

But the dilemma arise when my friends
started to ask me:

My english is not very good.
Could you teach me to use revMedia?

Hmmm... Could they find me too impolite
if i ask them to keep learning english?

My time is limited by many factors,
and i will like them to learn revTalk and
revMedia. i have given them templates
to personalise with their own text and
images, but i know that these stacks
will only keep them busy (and happy)
for a while.

What are their alternatives, besides counting
on my incredibly shrinking free time,
to learn revMedia?

Could teachers expect that Runrev
publish courses made exclusively for
them, that shows, for example:

1-How to use revMedia in the classroom.
2-Teach software programing with revMedia.
3-Courses to "license" teachers in revMedia and revTalk
(just like other vendors do with their platforms).

i know that Marielle Lange and Judy Perry have
raised these topics before, but the difference
between now and then is the existence of a
free version of revMedia that runs in all platforms.

As time goes by, you will find more people doing
these same questions (more frequently).

have a nice weekend

al
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  8 13:59:45 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 10:59:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Downloading messages from Runrev Forum
Message-ID: <24878037.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

Does exist some method to download all messages from
Runrev forum, just like we could do with compressed mails
in the Runrev list serve page?

I find really useful the categorization of topics in the forum,
but will prefer to browse these messages offline.

Thanks in advance.

al
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug  8 14:23:34 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 11:23:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <4A7B2D18.4080703@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <2F4A92CC-83F1-4B65-A07F-1350764E70C8@skynet.be>
	<4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
	<12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
	<4A7B2D18.4080703@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <24878043.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Jacque,

i noticed that you interpreted the error numbers
that appear in the warnings.

Where could i find this list of number error codes?

Thanks in advance

al


J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
> Further to this discussion, this fails in a revlet run from a server:
> 
> try
>    put  "http://jacque.on-rev.com/testapp/teststack.rev" into tStack
>    start using stack tStack
>    put the stacksinuse
> catch tErr
>   put tErr
> end try
> 
> Fails with:
> 
> 91,10,8
> 568,10,1
> 
> which is basically "can't find stack" and "no such object". I get the 
> same errors if I try to "go" to the stack first before putting it in use.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> 

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Aug  8 15:23:59 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 12:23:59 -0700
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <24878043.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <2F4A92CC-83F1-4B65-A07F-1350764E70C8@skynet.be>
	<4A79D89B.7080005@fourthworld.com>
	<92EEAA19-E367-4198-BE47-89E9E4C514FA@califex.com>
	<12A56854-9C36-418A-AAAD-B9CFECF9F5A2@byu.edu>
	<4A7B2D18.4080703@hyperactivesw.com> <24878043.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <160965088984.20090808122359@ahsoftware.net>

Al-

Saturday, August 8, 2009, 11:23:34 AM, you wrote:

> Where could i find this list of number error codes?

Take a look at

the cScriptErrors of stack "revErrorReport" of stack
"revStandaloneSettings"
the cErrorsList of stack "revErrorReport" of stack
"revStandaloneSettings"

(indexed by error code, one per line)
-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From rman at free.fr  Sat Aug  8 16:02:15 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert M.)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:02:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>
	<1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24881708.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Nicolas ! I have been a short while a frustrated explorator of tRev. I
gave details of my mishaps to Jerry who promptly replied. Meanwhile
everything gradually started working all right. I came to the following
conclusions :

- You really have to listen very precisely to Jerry's video to figure things
out,  but everything he presents finally did work with me... 

                      ex 1 : for the autocompliton in french J  means G.. )
                      ex 2 : the first item of the inspect menu should be
separated by a line
                      because it is EITHER  apple-I and "seeTHrough"
exploration within tRev
                      OR the other comands APPLIED within RunRev IDE

- I say FINALLY because it's weird, but it took some time and several trial
and quit and back to have it GRADUALLY (!!) running ok... I can't explain
but can only advise to take patience and quit runrev and trev come back
again, that's how I made it work.

We have to take into account it is a pre-release software and we must
realize that this a new solution to funding developmment of collective
interest. So it's a preety nice NRJ flowing. Have a good day, Robert.


Nicolas Cueto-4 wrote:
> 
> Let's be clear -- I was not flaming or bashing Jerry's work at all.
> Why else, as Brian observed, would I return each time for more
> punishment? Cause the whole concept of Jerry's work, as frustrating as
> the software might be, is the way the Rev ide should ideally work.
> 


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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Aug  8 16:25:34 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:25:34 -0700
Subject: libURL HTTP downloading
Message-ID: <4A7DDF3E.3060605@pdslabs.net>

I assume that, when using Rev's libURL-based HTTP downloading, errors 
are more likely to occur when downloading many smaller files than when 
downloading a few larger ones. Statistically this makes sense, but can 
anyone speak to this from their experience? The "many small files" 
scenario I'm talking about is a few hundred files in a single download 
sequence, with most files in the under-1mb category except for a few 
.mov files that are typically 5 to 70mb each.

I'm trying to decide if it's worth the effort to add server-side 
scripting that zips the smaller files into larger clumps before downloading.

Thanks for your feedback! I'm using libUrlVersion 1.1.6.
-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Aug  8 16:28:32 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:28:32 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70908080515o62169a23x59a7c813ce4b7e74@mail.gmail.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>
	<1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0345A05-BE71-459C-B428-4B7F66A03913@qldlearning.com>
	<1e91b2b70908080515o62169a23x59a7c813ce4b7e74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908081328y378cc2c1v4015b666a5a47f72@mail.gmail.com>

Nicolas,
dictonary.com:

FLAME

Computer Slang. an *angry*, *critical*, or *disparaging* electronic message,
as an e-mail or newsgroup post.


Sorry but it was a flame - and then you came back and did it again. All I
know is that I winced when I saw that. Dissing a third party tool without
allowing the developer to respond and allowing him to help you is not
constructive. This is a friendly list.

Remember we're all developers in the same boat here, these words go far and
wide around the world (and sit there forever) and it doesn't take much to
turn a potential customer off of making a purchasing discussion.  It could
happen to you. The golden rule, Karma, etc is at play here.

As far as Posterous, it's the response system that Jerry has chosen for this
product and it works quite well, and I've been subscribed for over a
year, and never gotten a single spam message or promo through or by
them.  How do I know that? Because I routinely make up an email alias
for things I sign up for. This provides two things: I can see who's
spamming me, and a 'quick disconnect' from the offending site if
needed.   I have over 50 email addresses for this purpose. Once one
signs up, one is good for any number of blogs that one desires.
Subscribe to  other
blogs, start your own. Most ISPs will allow a number of email addresses or
aliases. Finally, google mail does such a good job of filtering that the
spammers will probably give up soon. It's that good.

I think Jerry has said what has to be said, and it's a "master class" in how
to treat customers. I hope your future customers can look forward to the
same calm, cool, response.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/8 Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>

> Defense shields coming up...
>
> Let's be clear -- I was not flaming or bashing Jerry's work at all.
> Why else, as Brian observed, would I return each time for more
> punishment? Cause the whole concept of Jerry's work, as frustrating as
> the software might be, is the way the Rev ide should ideally work.
>
> Anyway, thank you for the rev-editor website ref, but I already knew
> about it. Why am I posting here then? Well, it is not clear on the
> rev-editor page how to post a comment. Tried the login area, but just
> a spiel there about joining something called "Posterous" ("Sign up is
> a snap, and lets you customize and edit your posterous.").
>
> So, not wanting to hand out my email address to a "Posterous", and,
> just as importantly, given that others here were already talking about
> tRev (Sarah, I would've purchased tRev eventually, cause I do like
> Jerry's work),  I took the tacit go-ahead and posted here.
>
> Anyway.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sat Aug  8 16:33:32 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 13:33:32 -0700
Subject: libURL HTTP downloading
In-Reply-To: <4A7DDF3E.3060605@pdslabs.net>
References: <4A7DDF3E.3060605@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908081333j1090019bo905089d0add9a6b0@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps Trevor could chime in here... he has a upgraded version of libURL
that is used in his GLX Application Framework, however I don't know if it
will work outside his environment or if it can solve your problem, but it's
worth checking out.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/8 Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net>

> I assume that, when using Rev's libURL-based HTTP downloading, errors are
> more likely to occur when downloading many smaller files than when
> downloading a few larger ones. Statistically this makes sense, but can
> anyone speak to this from their experience? The "many small files" scenario
> I'm talking about is a few hundred files in a single download sequence, with
> most files in the under-1mb category except for a few .mov files that are
> typically 5 to 70mb each.
>
> I'm trying to decide if it's worth the effort to add server-side scripting
> that zips the smaller files into larger clumps before downloading.
>
> Thanks for your feedback! I'm using libUrlVersion 1.1.6.
> --
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Aug  8 16:44:58 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 16:44:58 -0400
Subject: libURL HTTP downloading
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70908081333j1090019bo905089d0add9a6b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A7DDF3E.3060605@pdslabs.net>
	<e5e009d70908081333j1090019bo905089d0add9a6b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <829C3E8C-2AB6-451D-AD93-7BC9C9493688@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 8, 2009, at 4:33 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> Perhaps Trevor could chime in here... he has a upgraded version of  
> libURL
> that is used in his GLX Application Framework, however I don't know  
> if it
> will work outside his environment or if it can solve your problem,  
> but it's
> worth checking out.

The customized version of libURL doesn't change how files are  
downloaded so there would be no difference in regards to what Phil is  
trying to do. The customized version of libURL and the GLX App  
Framework work together to handle interactions with proxy servers but  
the rest of the features just work:

* Automatic handling of cookies
* Support for making HEAD requests
* Callbacks for working with invalid SSL Certs (i.e. display dialog to  
user to warn them)
* Non-blocking posts.

On Aug 8, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> I assume that, when using Rev's libURL-based HTTP downloading,  
> errors are more likely to occur when downloading many smaller files  
> than when downloading a few larger ones. Statistically this makes  
> sense, but can anyone speak to this from their experience? The "many  
> small files" scenario I'm talking about is a few hundred files in a  
> single download sequence, with most files in the under-1mb category  
> except for a few .mov files that are typically 5 to 70mb each.

I had some training software that would download all of it's media  
from a server. The amount of media varied from course to course but  
there was a lot of it. Mostly still images but there were a number of  
videos as well. libURL worked great. The only thing I remember  
accounting for was timeouts. I would always download a url in a repeat  
loop. If there was no error then exit. If the error was timeout then  
try again, up to 3 - 5 times. I think I picked up this trick from Chipp.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Aug  8 16:50:04 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 13:50:04 -0700
Subject: libURL HTTP downloading
In-Reply-To: <829C3E8C-2AB6-451D-AD93-7BC9C9493688@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <4A7DDF3E.3060605@pdslabs.net>	<e5e009d70908081333j1090019bo905089d0add9a6b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<829C3E8C-2AB6-451D-AD93-7BC9C9493688@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A7DE4FC.3030306@pdslabs.net>

Thanks Trevor! I hadn't thought of downloading in a loop. Good call. I'm 
working with a training system too, where all the media is on a server. 
I really appreciate the feedback (from everyone).

Phil


Trevor DeVore wrote:
> On Aug 8, 2009, at 4:33 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> Perhaps Trevor could chime in here... he has a upgraded version of 
>> libURL
>> that is used in his GLX Application Framework, however I don't know 
>> if it
>> will work outside his environment or if it can solve your problem, 
>> but it's
>> worth checking out.
>
> The customized version of libURL doesn't change how files are 
> downloaded so there would be no difference in regards to what Phil is 
> trying to do. The customized version of libURL and the GLX App 
> Framework work together to handle interactions with proxy servers but 
> the rest of the features just work:
>
> * Automatic handling of cookies
> * Support for making HEAD requests
> * Callbacks for working with invalid SSL Certs (i.e. display dialog to 
> user to warn them)
> * Non-blocking posts.
>
> On Aug 8, 2009, at 4:25 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> I assume that, when using Rev's libURL-based HTTP downloading, errors 
>> are more likely to occur when downloading many smaller files than 
>> when downloading a few larger ones. Statistically this makes sense, 
>> but can anyone speak to this from their experience? The "many small 
>> files" scenario I'm talking about is a few hundred files in a single 
>> download sequence, with most files in the under-1mb category except 
>> for a few .mov files that are typically 5 to 70mb each.
>
> I had some training software that would download all of it's media 
> from a server. The amount of media varied from course to course but 
> there was a lot of it. Mostly still images but there were a number of 
> videos as well. libURL worked great. The only thing I remember 
> accounting for was timeouts. I would always download a url in a repeat 
> loop. If there was no error then exit. If the error was timeout then 
> try again, up to 3 - 5 times. I think I picked up this trick from Chipp.
>
> Regards,
>

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From rman at free.fr  Sat Aug  8 17:55:22 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert M.)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 14:55:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Setting paths to Externals
In-Reply-To: <fc.000f58e500e346283b9aca002758682f.e346b6@fc.neol.it>
References: <47479B19.9020305@hindu.org> <474861AC.5020200@hyperactivesw.com>
	<20071124121639874956.87800296@sonsothunder.com>
	<47493307.4050005@hindu.org>
	<fc.000f58e500e346283b9aca002758682f.e346b6@fc.neol.it>
Message-ID: <24882458.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi I just came accross the same problem on mac os X 10.5.4 : 

Whatever I did, the only place where the stand alone actually finds the
external was right next to the main myapp.app 

Now the SOLUTION is .. evident : 1) we're talking relative paths.. 2) app
bundles are treated as files but are folders... 

So the reference to the externals should logically be : 
myapp.app/Contents/MacOs/Externals/myexternal.bundles

And it does work fine!! 

Robert M.


paolo mazza wrote:
> 
> 
> IN MACOSX 10.4.10  Intel
> 
> I tryed everything "under the sun" to load the libkiosk.bundle external
> too.
> ...and at the end I found out that my stand alone application load the
> external only if  I put the external in the folder where is placed the
> application ( the defaultfolder of the standalone application).
> 
> Isn't strange this?
> ****************
> 
> 

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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sat Aug  8 19:08:11 2009
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 19:08:11 -0400
Subject: libURL HTTP downloading
In-Reply-To: <829C3E8C-2AB6-451D-AD93-7BC9C9493688@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <OF917F90E2.C8BDBC18-ON8525760C.007E84D3-8525760C.007F16FF@sealedair.com>



> On Aug 8, 2009, at 4:33 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>> Perhaps Trevor could chime in here... he has a upgraded version of
>> libURL
>> that is used in his GLX Application Framework, however I don't know
>> if it
>> will work outside his environment or if it can solve your problem,
>> but it's
>> worth checking out.

> The customized version of libURL doesn't change how files are
> downloaded so there would be no difference in regards to what Phil is
> trying to do. The customized version of libURL and the GLX App
> Framework work together to handle interactions with proxy servers but
> the rest of the features just work:
>
> * Automatic handling of cookies
> * Support for making HEAD requests
> * Callbacks for working with invalid SSL Certs (i.e. display dialog to
> user to warn them)
> * Non-blocking posts.

How can one obtain this extra fancy spancy feature filled version of
libURL.  :-)   I have never been able to get Rev talking through a proxy.
It works fine from a direct internet connection though.  I need it to
prompt for proxy authentication.

-------
Roger Eller




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Aug  8 21:03:08 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:03:08 -0700
Subject: libURL HTTP downloading
Message-ID: <4A7E204C.2010605@fourthworld.com>

Roger.E.Eller wrote:

>> The customized version of libURL doesn't change how files are
>> downloaded so there would be no difference in regards to what Phil is
>> trying to do. The customized version of libURL and the GLX App
>> Framework work together to handle interactions with proxy servers but
>> the rest of the features just work:
>>
>> * Automatic handling of cookies
>> * Support for making HEAD requests
>> * Callbacks for working with invalid SSL Certs (i.e. display dialog to
>> user to warn them)
>> * Non-blocking posts.
> 
> How can one obtain this extra fancy spancy feature filled version of
> libURL.  :-)   I have never been able to get Rev talking through a proxy.
> It works fine from a direct internet connection though.  I need it to
> prompt for proxy authentication.

It's great that Trevor has made these available, but I wonder if a 
better question might be:

How can these changes be rolled into the official release of libURL?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Aug  8 21:39:04 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:39:04 -0400
Subject: libURL HTTP downloading
In-Reply-To: <OF917F90E2.C8BDBC18-ON8525760C.007E84D3-8525760C.007F16FF@sealedair.com>
References: <OF917F90E2.C8BDBC18-ON8525760C.007E84D3-8525760C.007F16FF@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <76CC4C82-3516-4B80-BBB5-A87C56C4E002@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 8, 2009, at 7:08 PM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:

> How can one obtain this extra fancy spancy feature filled version of
> libURL.  :-)   I have never been able to get Rev talking through a  
> proxy.
> It works fine from a direct internet connection though.  I need it to
> prompt for proxy authentication.

It comes with the GLX Application Framework.

<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/glx-application-framework/ 
 >

I've documented how to do a couple of things with the custom libURL  
including how to install it though there is still more documentation  
to do. Look at the "Internet Integration" chapter in the manual:

<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/glxapp>

If you want to find the handlers I added to the library then search  
for "--> TKD Additions" in the custom libURL script. You can also  
search for "tkd" in the script to find notes I've made.

Whether or not you need the proxy features in the custom version  
depends on what kind of proxy server you are dealing with. If you  
always know the proxy server IP address, the server uses Basic  
Authentication and you just need to prompt for username/password then  
libUrlSetAuthCallback should work fine. You can read up on it and see  
some examples here:

<http://www.lacscentre.com/liburl/liburldoc.html>

If you are dealing with Digest or NTLM (Windows only) authentication  
but know the proxy server IP address then you can still use the  
standard libURL library but you will need some additional code to  
handle authorization. If you look at the glxapplicationframework.dat  
stack script (included in the distribution) you can search for  
glxappAuthDigestCallback and glxappAuthNTLMCallback. Note that for  
NTLM you will need the altNTLM.dll external that comes with the  
distribution. Altuit was kind enough to provide this.

If, however, your software is running on a computer that uses a PAC  
file to figure out the proxy server then you will need the custom  
version of libURL. You will also need to pick a number of handlers out  
of the glxapplicationframework stack script. Search for "--> Proxy  
handlers" in the script and you will be taken to all of the proxy  
initialization code.

Now, if you use the GLX Application Framework then all of the gory  
details are handled for you. You just have to make a single call to  
glxapp_initializeProxy when your app loads up and most situations will  
be handled automatically.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Sat Aug  8 22:07:37 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:07:37 -0400
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70908080515o62169a23x59a7c813ce4b7e74@mail.gmail.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>
	<1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0345A05-BE71-459C-B428-4B7F66A03913@qldlearning.com>
	<1e91b2b70908080515o62169a23x59a7c813ce4b7e74@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <30FFB4B5-EDE6-4D1B-89A7-C91DB31638DF@mac.com>

Nicolas,

I don't think you flamed him at all.

2cents


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On Aug 8, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Defense shields coming up...
>
> Let's be clear -- I was not flaming or bashing Jerry's work at all.
> Why else, as Brian observed, would I return each time for more
> punishment? Cause the whole concept of Jerry's work, as frustrating as
> the software might be, is the way the Rev ide should ideally work.
>
> Anyway, thank you for the rev-editor website ref, but I already knew
> about it. Why am I posting here then? Well, it is not clear on the
> rev-editor page how to post a comment. Tried the login area, but just
> a spiel there about joining something called "Posterous" ("Sign up is
> a snap, and lets you customize and edit your posterous.").
>
> So, not wanting to hand out my email address to a "Posterous", and,
> just as importantly, given that others here were already talking about
> tRev (Sarah, I would've purchased tRev eventually, cause I do like
> Jerry's work),  I took the tacit go-ahead and posted here.
>
> Anyway.
>
> --
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From kkaufman at snet.net  Sat Aug  8 22:31:13 2009
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 22:31:13 -0400
Subject: [OT]  Project Canvas!
Message-ID: <0309B567-ED81-463B-A36A-AF8DE2112905@snet.net>

> sounds like a Revlet thang.

Really?  I don't see an option to display within a web browser.  Am I  
missing something?
Kurt


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sat Aug  8 22:42:47 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 04:42:47 +0200
Subject: [OT]  Project Canvas!
In-Reply-To: <0309B567-ED81-463B-A36A-AF8DE2112905@snet.net>
References: <0309B567-ED81-463B-A36A-AF8DE2112905@snet.net>
Message-ID: <AE78FDDA-2511-48CC-9F46-9BD54E6535C9@ezpzapps.com>


On Aug 9, 2009, at 4:31 AM, Kurt Kaufman wrote:

> Really?  I don't see an option to display within a web browser.  Am  
> I missing something?

Well, I said "kinda sorta" as it seemed to me like the sort of thing  
that might be possible to make with Rev and or a possibly a revlet  
thing. Plus the reference to HyperCard. I'm also  intrigued about the  
ability to present or offer a tool or application, where the user can  
save ssomething into a different form for continued use.

My "kinda sorta"  was too broad a term and not informative  
enough     ;-)   Sorry.

sims



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun Aug  9 00:43:36 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:43:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How do you solve this dilemma?
In-Reply-To: <24878034.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <24878034.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0908082139300.23284@ecs.fullerton.edu>

FWIW, I agree that this is an issue that badly needs current addressing.

Can you tell me much about the demographics of your "fellow teachers and 
coworkers"?  e.g., how old are they, what do they teach, what do they want 
to do with the software, what sorts of software do they already know how 
to use, etc.??

Depending upon the answers to these questions, and whether it was in my 
ability range, I'd be happy to develop teaching materials for them...

Let me know...

Judy

On Sat, 8 Aug 2009, capellan wrote:

>
> How do you solve this dilemma?
>
> For many years, i have been talking to my fellow
> teachers and coworkers about Runtime Revolution
> and how easy it is to create useful applications
> for their own use.
>
> Now, that Runrev have released the free Alpha version
> of revMedia, i have wrote to all of them about this
> new version.
>
> Many of them have answered positively and have
> started using revMedia. Great.
>
> But the dilemma arise when my friends
> started to ask me:
>
> My english is not very good.
> Could you teach me to use revMedia?
>
> Hmmm... Could they find me too impolite
> if i ask them to keep learning english?
>
> My time is limited by many factors,
> and i will like them to learn revTalk and
> revMedia. i have given them templates
> to personalise with their own text and
> images, but i know that these stacks
> will only keep them busy (and happy)
> for a while.
>
> What are their alternatives, besides counting
> on my incredibly shrinking free time,
> to learn revMedia?
>
> Could teachers expect that Runrev
> publish courses made exclusively for
> them, that shows, for example:
>
> 1-How to use revMedia in the classroom.
> 2-Teach software programing with revMedia.
> 3-Courses to "license" teachers in revMedia and revTalk
> (just like other vendors do with their platforms).
>
> i know that Marielle Lange and Judy Perry have
> raised these topics before, but the difference
> between now and then is the existence of a
> free version of revMedia that runs in all platforms.
>
> As time goes by, you will find more people doing
> these same questions (more frequently).
>
> have a nice weekend
>
> al
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From katir at hindu.org  Sun Aug  9 00:48:26 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 18:48:26 -1000
Subject: Post To Word Press
Message-ID: <4A7E551A.4030208@hindu.org>

has anyone written a revolution CGI that can post to Word Press?

If so, can you post the code here or email me off line? We are using 
WordPress MU

thanks
Sivakatirswami




From katir at hindu.org  Sun Aug  9 01:32:04 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:32:04 -1000
Subject: libURL HTTP downloading
In-Reply-To: <4A7DE4FC.3030306@pdslabs.net>
References: <4A7DDF3E.3060605@pdslabs.net>	<e5e009d70908081333j1090019bo905089d0add9a6b0@mail.gmail.com>	<829C3E8C-2AB6-451D-AD93-7BC9C9493688@mangomultimedia.com>
	<4A7DE4FC.3030306@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <4A7E5F54.5000201@hindu.org>

Phil Davis wrote:
> Thanks Trevor! I hadn't thought of downloading in a loop. Good call. 
> I'm working with a training system too, where all the media is on a 
> server. I really appreciate the feedback (from everyone).
>
> Phil
>
>
> Trevor DeVore wrote:
>>
>> I had some training software that would download all of it's media 
>> from a server. The amount of media varied from course to course but 
>> there was a lot of it. Mostly still images but there were a number of 
>> videos as well. libURL worked great. The only thing I remember 
>> accounting for was timeouts. I would always download a url in a 
>> repeat loop. If there was no error then exit. If the error was 
>> timeout then try again, up to 3 - 5 times. I think I picked up this 
>> trick from Chipp.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
> as for larger files: Andre wrote a downloader into our Hinduism Today 
> Navigator (previously name Hinduism Today Digital Edition)  it has to 
> download 4 PDF's which total over 30 MB or a single PDF which might be 
> around 28 MB.. he also has some logging in there and we can see the 
> failures and the re attempts for any given user in his  dbase record. 
> One man had our rev client opened at around 8 am in  India.. .he 
> clicked to download.. must have  some horrible old 28K modem. but 
> after about 80 retries, the PDF finally landed on his hard drive at 
> about 4 pm in the afternoon. I thought "wow, 8 hours our stack never 
> gave up... libURL is pretty robust!" (if you code it right of course.) 
> and I also had to hand it to the old codger (an elderly man with a PC 
> and no rupees) for not giving up but just letting our application run 
> and run and run. He was so happy to open the PDF that afternoon, one 
> small victory for our favorite tool box. So, Phil PWC Proceed with 
> Confidence.









From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Aug  9 06:15:39 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 12:15:39 +0200
Subject: How do you solve this dilemma?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0908082139300.23284@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <24878034.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908082139300.23284@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <CF6A3A88-B1E0-4AD2-BE42-4CC27FDFA584@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

I would love to host those teaching materials on a web site :-)

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software products to http://www.quickestpublisher.com and  
get found!

On 9 aug 2009, at 06:43, Judy Perry wrote:

> FWIW, I agree that this is an issue that badly needs current  
> addressing.
>
> Can you tell me much about the demographics of your "fellow teachers  
> and coworkers"?  e.g., how old are they, what do they teach, what do  
> they want to do with the software, what sorts of software do they  
> already know how to use, etc.??
>
> Depending upon the answers to these questions, and whether it was in  
> my ability range, I'd be happy to develop teaching materials for  
> them...
>
> Let me know...
>
> Judy
>



From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  9 07:41:35 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 04:41:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How do you solve this dilemma?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0908082139300.23284@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <24878034.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908082139300.23284@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <24886376.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Judy,

Many thanks for replying to my questions!
Now i remember that you have already teach
this platform in your classes. :-)

Teachers that i have met in Courses, Seminaries and
Workshops have the most diverse background and skills:
Age: From 25 to 55
Subjects: Language (spanish, english), Math (elemental and advanced),
Social Sciences (Economics, Education, Geography, History, Psychology)
English language skills: From Basic to Advanced

Coworkers in the Proyecto Entra 21:
http://www.isa.edu.do/isaweb/entra21.html
Age: From 30 to 50
Know how to use (and offer classes) of very specific
Computer Software:
(Excel, Word, Powerpoint, Photoshop, etc..)
English language skills: From Basic to Advanced

Ideally, these educational materials and user mail
list and user forums should be hosted in runrev site,
in many languages (translated by volunteers)
so they will be always available from a central place.

In theory, most of HyperCard teaching materials should be
applicable to this platform, but this would require to adapt
them for this new software.

Have a nice weekend!

al
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Aug  9 08:43:17 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 05:43:17 -0700
Subject: copy audioClip?
Message-ID: <4A7EC465.9050900@fourthworld.com>

I have an audioClip in an old stack for which I've lost the source file. 
  I'd like to use this clip in another stack.

Is there a way to copy audioClips from one stack to another?

It's been years since I've used them at all, my memory's getting rusty. :)

TIA -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Aug  9 08:45:27 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 05:45:27 -0700
Subject: copy audioClip?
In-Reply-To: <4A7EC465.9050900@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A7EC465.9050900@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A7EC4E7.3090807@fourthworld.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> I have an audioClip in an old stack for which I've lost the source file. 
>  I'd like to use this clip in another stack.
> 
> Is there a way to copy audioClips from one stack to another?
> 
> It's been years since I've used them at all, my memory's getting rusty. :)

Nevermind - turned this up in the archives:
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083957.html>

Looks like the copy command does the trick.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From rman at free.fr  Sun Aug  9 08:51:42 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert M.)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 05:51:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: delete last char in Datagrid
In-Reply-To: <86F97D3A-DFC5-44F1-B8CA-AC940424C678@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <24818097.post@talk.nabble.com> <24818273.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<24818303.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<86F97D3A-DFC5-44F1-B8CA-AC940424C678@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <24886891.post@talk.nabble.com>


I just had same problem and finally decided NOT to use the datagrid editcell,
but to stick to the normal cell behaviour (with focusable propertty of grid
template fields on) and to trap the openfield closefield msg at the group
level, in the datagrid behavior script. It workds like a charm, with one
click (I might need a license for that!).

Except.. I'm just opeening up a pbl thread with datagrid.. relative to the
order of visit of lines using tabulations (see on list)

Robert


Trevor DeVore wrote:
> 
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 7:54 PM, Josep wrote:
> 
>> But how can edit directly the cell of the datagrid without making a
>> doubleclick?
> 
> This lesson should do what you need. It shows you how to update data  
> in a row (or cell).
> 
> How Do I Update Data In a Row?:
> <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/5434-How-Do-I-Update-Data-In-a-Row- 
>  >
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Aug  9 08:52:39 2009
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 05:52:39 -0700
Subject: copy audioClip?
In-Reply-To: <4A7EC4E7.3090807@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A7EC465.9050900@fourthworld.com>
	<4A7EC4E7.3090807@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <EC762C50-01DE-48BB-A17C-D65013018F88@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello Richard,
Try this
copy audioCLip "coolsound.wav"  of stack "untitled 1" to stack  
"Untitled 2"

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------




On Aug 9, 2009, at 5:45 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> I have an audioClip in an old stack for which I've lost the source  
>> file.  I'd like to use this clip in another stack.
>> Is there a way to copy audioClips from one stack to another?
>> It's been years since I've used them at all, my memory's getting  
>> rusty. :)
>
> Nevermind - turned this up in the archives:
> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083957.html 
> >
>
> Looks like the copy command does the trick.
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun Aug  9 08:53:57 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 05:53:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How do you solve this dilemma?
In-Reply-To: <24886376.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <24878034.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908082139300.23284@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<24886376.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0908090553340.24514@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hi Al,

What sorts of things would your colleagues like to be able to do with Rev?

Thanks,

Judy

On Sun, 9 Aug 2009, capellan wrote:

>
> Hi Judy,
>
> Many thanks for replying to my questions!
> Now i remember that you have already teach
> this platform in your classes. :-)
>
> Teachers that i have met in Courses, Seminaries and
> Workshops have the most diverse background and skills:
> Age: From 25 to 55
> Subjects: Language (spanish, english), Math (elemental and advanced),
> Social Sciences (Economics, Education, Geography, History, Psychology)
> English language skills: From Basic to Advanced
>
> Coworkers in the Proyecto Entra 21:
> http://www.isa.edu.do/isaweb/entra21.html
> Age: From 30 to 50
> Know how to use (and offer classes) of very specific
> Computer Software:
> (Excel, Word, Powerpoint, Photoshop, etc..)
> English language skills: From Basic to Advanced
>
> Ideally, these educational materials and user mail
> list and user forums should be hosted in runrev site,
> in many languages (translated by volunteers)
> so they will be always available from a central place.
>
> In theory, most of HyperCard teaching materials should be
> applicable to this platform, but this would require to adapt
> them for this new software.
>
> Have a nice weekend!
>
> al
> -- 
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From rman at free.fr  Sun Aug  9 09:15:20 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert M.)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 06:15:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [datagrid] bug? TAB navigation follows INDEX order instead of LINE
 order
Message-ID: <24887075.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi , I finally solved the problem so far, but in a trick-diry way, and I
wondered if I was the only one to have experienced this problem.

problem is : on adding a line to the datagrid. The inserted line is IGNORED
by tabulation. And it cannot be hilited (visaully the hiliting just bounces
on it until next line! 

In detail : I selectHilite the line before (Line), but add a line from the
next one since it is inserted before (Line+1), the new line gets in position
Line+1 with an index (total lines+1), the former line+1 becomes line+2.
- When I tab from line LINE the tab jumps to line+2.
- I f I keep on tabbing, it goes past the latest line.. and back to the new
line+1
So temporalrily, the normal tabulation follows line numbering is out and the
tabulation follows index.. 

Solution is : I noticed, that, this behavior would stop and the normal line
to line tabulations work again as soon as the list is reconstructed on the
screen... 
So adding a line, then adding a character at the end of line LINE, then
deleting it, and then tab does the trick so far.. tab goes to the new line+1
and tab navigation is restored.


but I suspect it not the most efficient way to walk around.. this bug could
have other consequences.
-- Trevor do you have a clue on what's going on there?
-- have other people moniteroed this? (have looked into forums but saw
nothing of the sort.. )

thanks all
Robert






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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Aug  9 12:43:02 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 11:43:02 -0500
Subject: A Slightly More Complex revLet Question
Message-ID: <4A7EFC96.4010908@crcom.net>

I'm trying to convert one of Tcl/TK programs to work on a web server 
instead of the desktop.  Because of the Sarbanes/Oxley Act, this will 
save them a lot of money.

My question is:

I can convert the screens/tabs/menus fairly easily to a revLet.  In 
fact, this is going rather smoothly.  The problem is that the data to 
fill the fields comes from a SQL server.  I assume that I'm going to 
need some sort of .cgi/.irev program to send a query to and get the 
results back from.  Will this require a connect/disconnect every time I 
need to get data?  Can I create a generic cgi/irev program to receive a 
query and return tab delimited records?

Better still, can I "connect" from my revLet and keep the connection 
open and talk to the server directly from the revLet?

As I said in my subject, this is a much more complex use of the revLet 
than I've seen talked about here.

Any help and/or advice would be appreciated.

Len Morgan
KTTK, Inc.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Aug  9 13:33:13 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 19:33:13 +0200
Subject: A Slightly More Complex revLet Question
In-Reply-To: <4A7EFC96.4010908@crcom.net>
References: <4A7EFC96.4010908@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <61652089-7908-40F0-AAE9-21075F891A62@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Len,

Yes, if the server allows it, you can do all you describe. It is  
indeed recommendable to use a cgi or irev to connect to MySql. I use  
PHP for this. Many hosts, including yours sincerely, don't allow a  
direct a connection to a database from a MySQL client.

Why would you put effort into keeping a connection alive? I don't  
think that keeping a connection alive will increase transaction speed  
significantly, unless you can connect to a database directly, without  
cgi/irev/php.

You can write a cgi or php script, for instance, which interprets a  
query from your client and executes it. I would consider this rather  
insecure, because a hacker who finds out how to send queries gets full  
control over your database.

You can get a url or use the post command to connect to a server and  
send your query from your revlet the same way you can from a desktop  
standalone.

Why is this complex?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software products to http://www.quickestpublisher.com and  
get found!

On 9 aug 2009, at 18:43, Len Morgan wrote:

> I'm trying to convert one of Tcl/TK programs to work on a web server  
> instead of the desktop.  Because of the Sarbanes/Oxley Act, this  
> will save them a lot of money.
>
> My question is:
>
> I can convert the screens/tabs/menus fairly easily to a revLet.  In  
> fact, this is going rather smoothly.  The problem is that the data  
> to fill the fields comes from a SQL server.  I assume that I'm going  
> to need some sort of .cgi/.irev program to send a query to and get  
> the results back from.  Will this require a connect/disconnect every  
> time I need to get data?  Can I create a generic cgi/irev program to  
> receive a query and return tab delimited records?
>
> Better still, can I "connect" from my revLet and keep the connection  
> open and talk to the server directly from the revLet?
>
> As I said in my subject, this is a much more complex use of the  
> revLet than I've seen talked about here.
>
> Any help and/or advice would be appreciated.
>
> Len Morgan
> KTTK, Inc.




From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Aug  9 14:01:18 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:01:18 -0500
Subject: A Slightly More Complex revLet Question
In-Reply-To: <61652089-7908-40F0-AAE9-21075F891A62@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <4A7EFC96.4010908@crcom.net>
	<61652089-7908-40F0-AAE9-21075F891A62@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <4A7F0EEE.1010800@crcom.net>

The particular customer would have the web server farm and SQL Server 
(Microsoft's) in the same server room so security shouldn't be an issue 
unless the revlet can somehow be broken into on the client end.  Most of 
the end users have trouble spelling G.E.D. so this is a minimal risk but 
it is there.  Perhaps I AM making it more complicated (in my head) than 
it really is.  I'll have to use ODBC because we don't have either other 
DB Driver that can speak to a SQL Server.

My immediate issue is they would like to see some sort of demonstration 
of what's possible (after all, the app I'm trying to replace was written 
over a 10 year period!)  not the finished product.  Therefore, I'd like 
to upload the sample program to my on-Rev account and have them access 
the data on my desktop computer at home (which has a SQL Server and some 
old data on it).  I don't offhand know what port SQL Server uses but I 
have no problems with them accessing the data directly for a limited 
time and I don't think they will have a problem with this revLet 
accessing THEIR SQL Server if they decide to green-light the project.

I'll do some playing around with it.

Len Morgan
KTTK, Inc.

Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hi Len,
>
> Yes, if the server allows it, you can do all you describe. It is 
> indeed recommendable to use a cgi or irev to connect to MySql. I use 
> PHP for this. Many hosts, including yours sincerely, don't allow a 
> direct a connection to a database from a MySQL client.
>
> Why would you put effort into keeping a connection alive? I don't 
> think that keeping a connection alive will increase transaction speed 
> significantly, unless you can connect to a database directly, without 
> cgi/irev/php.
>
> You can write a cgi or php script, for instance, which interprets a 
> query from your client and executes it. I would consider this rather 
> insecure, because a hacker who finds out how to send queries gets full 
> control over your database.
>
> You can get a url or use the post command to connect to a server and 
> send your query from your revlet the same way you can from a desktop 
> standalone.
>
> Why is this complex?
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Submit your software products to http://www.quickestpublisher.com and 
> get found!
>
> On 9 aug 2009, at 18:43, Len Morgan wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to convert one of Tcl/TK programs to work on a web server 
>> instead of the desktop.  Because of the Sarbanes/Oxley Act, this will 
>> save them a lot of money.
>>
>> My question is:
>>
>> I can convert the screens/tabs/menus fairly easily to a revLet.  In 
>> fact, this is going rather smoothly.  The problem is that the data to 
>> fill the fields comes from a SQL server.  I assume that I'm going to 
>> need some sort of .cgi/.irev program to send a query to and get the 
>> results back from.  Will this require a connect/disconnect every time 
>> I need to get data?  Can I create a generic cgi/irev program to 
>> receive a query and return tab delimited records?
>>
>> Better still, can I "connect" from my revLet and keep the connection 
>> open and talk to the server directly from the revLet?
>>
>> As I said in my subject, this is a much more complex use of the 
>> revLet than I've seen talked about here.
>>
>> Any help and/or advice would be appreciated.
>>
>> Len Morgan
>> KTTK, Inc.
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Aug  9 14:27:58 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:27:58 -0500
Subject: How do you solve this dilemma?
In-Reply-To: <24886376.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <24878034.post@talk.nabble.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908082139300.23284@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<24886376.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A7F152E.4000406@hyperactivesw.com>

capellan wrote:

> Ideally, these educational materials and user mail
> list and user forums should be hosted in runrev site,
> in many languages (translated by volunteers)
> so they will be always available from a central place.

The scripting conference stacks would be a natural source of materials 
if someone wants to translate them. These stacks teach the basics of 
Revolution and assume no prior knowledge. I'd be happy to host them on 
my web site alongside the English versions. You can download them here:

<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/revscriptconf/scriptingconferences.html>

The stacks are mirrored at my site with the permission of Runtime, since 
there are no direct links any more on the RR site. Please feel free to 
download, translate, and send back the materials to me off list, and I 
will put them up for you. I'm fairly sure that RR would also post them 
to the RR site, but there may not be any direct link there.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Aug  9 14:32:53 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:32:53 -0700
Subject: A Slightly More Complex revLet Question
In-Reply-To: <4A7F0EEE.1010800@crcom.net>
References: <4A7EFC96.4010908@crcom.net>
	<61652089-7908-40F0-AAE9-21075F891A62@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4A7F0EEE.1010800@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <1211048422859.20090809113253@ahsoftware.net>

Len-

Sunday, August 9, 2009, 11:01:18 AM, you wrote:

> old data on it).  I don't offhand know what port SQL Server uses but I
> have no problems with them accessing the data directly for a limited

I believe this is configurable at the server end (and if their IT
folks are on the ball they will have changed it) but by default SQL
Server uses ports 1433 (TCP) and 1434 (UDP). HTH.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sun Aug  9 14:53:08 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:53:08 -0700
Subject: Franklin 3D for Revolution Update
Message-ID: <3F805C9DFFF84BA6961A92CEA4D7AA7F@GATEWAY>

Hello all,

A quick update on Franklin 3D - the 3D game and rendering engine for
Revolution.

We are going to be able to expose Franklin 3D for Revolution very soon to
founders - I want one more example stack update. We have demo stack just
about ready - some tasty bits:

- Rendering includes OpenGL, two "software" renderers and Direct X 9
(Windows only)
- Loading a Quake Map
- Unnative UI (there is a UI engine built right into it)
- 2D sprite engine
- Collision detection/gravity
- Custom Scene Nodes
- Movement
- Terrain Rendering
- Rendering to Texture
- Split Screens (more to come on this - shows multi camera views - maybe
multiplayer games...)

Some of the effects aren't quite right yet, that's why the delay.

That's the first batch of examples. There's one in the works that show how
to handle call backs - several more coming.

The demo stack will let you locate the media folder, select windows size,
select renderer.

Here's my top five Why This is Cool:

- hardware accelerated graphics - both 3D AND 2D
- lots of model formats supported, game and not game (like OBJ)
- OpenGL gives you a great cross-platform option when the Mac OS X version
is available
- A lot of stuff like collision detection/gravity is REALLY easy
- Useful for simulations, 3D viewers for graphics catalogs and more

Founders will be able to pre-order, get codes right away and get into a
private Google Group. Licenses will include 12 months of updates. The
licensing system will be very similar to how Valentina works.

Ill post other details soon.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From briany at qldlearning.com  Sun Aug  9 14:55:29 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 11:55:29 -0700
Subject: A Slightly More Complex revLet Question
In-Reply-To: <4A7F0EEE.1010800@crcom.net>
References: <4A7EFC96.4010908@crcom.net>
	<61652089-7908-40F0-AAE9-21075F891A62@economy-x-talk.com>
	<4A7F0EEE.1010800@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <FA929B10-EF6B-4F4D-8B70-507DF35FD8C6@qldlearning.com>

Len,

FWIW, I would recommend going the PHP route (or any server side  
language). That way you will never have to worry about a firewall, and  
won't have to maintain any sort of database connectivity from inside a  
browser. Do revLets support ODBC?

You can just say something like:

put url "http://myserver.com/db.php?query=clientdata&param1=george"  
into georgeData

On the server:

mysql->connect(..)

$query = $_GET["query"]

switch ($query) {
	case "clientdata"
		$sql = "SELECT * FROM clients WHERE username = '".$_GET['param1']."'";
		break;
	...
}

$data = mysql->query(..);

...


Maintenance becomes very easy. One line on the client to make a query,  
just write the PHP script once and add queries as you need them.


> The particular customer would have the web server farm and SQL  
> Server (Microsoft's) in the same server room so security shouldn't  
> be an issue unless the revlet can somehow be broken into on the  
> client end.  Most of the end users have trouble spelling G.E.D. so  
> this is a minimal risk but it is there.  Perhaps I AM making it more  
> complicated (in my head) than it really is.  I'll have to use ODBC  
> because we don't have either other DB Driver that can speak to a SQL  
> Server.
>
> My immediate issue is they would like to see some sort of  
> demonstration of what's possible (after all, the app I'm trying to  
> replace was written over a 10 year period!)  not the finished  
> product.  Therefore, I'd like to upload the sample program to my on- 
> Rev account and have them access the data on my desktop computer at  
> home (which has a SQL Server and some old data on it).  I don't  
> offhand know what port SQL Server uses but I have no problems with  
> them accessing the data directly for a limited time and I don't  
> think they will have a problem with this revLet accessing THEIR SQL  
> Server if they decide to green-light the project.
>
> I'll do some playing around with it.
>
> Len Morgan
> KTTK, Inc.
>
> Mark Schonewille wrote:
>> Hi Len,
>>
>> Yes, if the server allows it, you can do all you describe. It is  
>> indeed recommendable to use a cgi or irev to connect to MySql. I  
>> use PHP for this. Many hosts, including yours sincerely, don't  
>> allow a direct a connection to a database from a MySQL client.
>>
>> Why would you put effort into keeping a connection alive? I don't  
>> think that keeping a connection alive will increase transaction  
>> speed significantly, unless you can connect to a database directly,  
>> without cgi/irev/php.
>>
>> You can write a cgi or php script, for instance, which interprets a  
>> query from your client and executes it. I would consider this  
>> rather insecure, because a hacker who finds out how to send queries  
>> gets full control over your database.
>>
>> You can get a url or use the post command to connect to a server  
>> and send your query from your revlet the same way you can from a  
>> desktop standalone.
>>
>> Why is this complex?
>>
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mark Schonewille


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Aug  9 16:45:53 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:45:53 +0200
Subject: post command
Message-ID: <A557892B-20E0-4E5B-87A6-1DB644FA361B@skynet.be>

Hello,


I have a big problem
   put fld "myFld" into Myvar
   post Myvar to "http://www.mondomaine.be/dossierscripts/test.php"


the php script doesn't takeUp the variable MyVar

If I send a text from a form in a web page onto the test.php script,  
the text is taken by the php script


what is wrong ?

Thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Aug  9 16:49:42 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:49:42 +0200
Subject: post command
In-Reply-To: <A557892B-20E0-4E5B-87A6-1DB644FA361B@skynet.be>
References: <A557892B-20E0-4E5B-87A6-1DB644FA361B@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <4A7F225E-2882-459B-A871-986667C22337@economy-x-talk.com>

Yves,

What is the contents of your field?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software products to http://www.quickestpublisher.com and  
get found!

On 9 aug 2009, at 22:45, Yves COPPE wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
> I have a big problem
>  put fld "myFld" into Myvar
>  post Myvar to "http://www.mondomaine.be/dossierscripts/test.php"
>
>
> the php script doesn't takeUp the variable MyVar
>
> If I send a text from a form in a web page onto the test.php script,  
> the text is taken by the php script
>
>
> what is wrong ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Aug  9 16:56:18 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 22:56:18 +0200
Subject: post command
In-Reply-To: <4A7F225E-2882-459B-A871-986667C22337@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <A557892B-20E0-4E5B-87A6-1DB644FA361B@skynet.be>
	<4A7F225E-2882-459B-A871-986667C22337@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C272CD40-E5BC-43C0-8223-6E51316A74AC@skynet.be>


Le 09-ao?t-09 ? 22:49, Mark Schonewille a ?crit :

> Yves,
>
> What is the contents of your field?
>



re,

text fld

text tab text tab text
text tab text tab text
text tab text tab text
....
about 10 lines


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Aug  9 17:12:47 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:12:47 +0200
Subject: post command
In-Reply-To: <C272CD40-E5BC-43C0-8223-6E51316A74AC@skynet.be>
References: <A557892B-20E0-4E5B-87A6-1DB644FA361B@skynet.be>
	<4A7F225E-2882-459B-A871-986667C22337@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C272CD40-E5BC-43C0-8223-6E51316A74AC@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <D85BE4D7-7AE3-472F-BBAB-772FF6A36C5A@economy-x-talk.com>

Yves,

First of all, you need to define a variable. Without variables, php  
isn't even aware that you tried to send something. Second, you need to  
urlEncode your data. For example:

put "myVar=" & urlEncode(fld "myFld") into myString
post myString to url "http://www.mondomaine.be/dossierscripts/test.php"

If you have multiples variables, myString should be of the following  
format:

"myVar1=" & myData1 & "&myVar2=" & myData2

where myDataX is urlEncoded.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Submit your software products to http://www.quickestpublisher.com and  
get found!

On 9 aug 2009, at 22:56, Yves COPPE wrote:
>
> re,
>
> text fld
>
> text tab text tab text
> text tab text tab text
> text tab text tab text
> ....
> about 10 lines
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Aug  9 17:22:36 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 23:22:36 +0200
Subject: post command
In-Reply-To: <D85BE4D7-7AE3-472F-BBAB-772FF6A36C5A@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <A557892B-20E0-4E5B-87A6-1DB644FA361B@skynet.be>
	<4A7F225E-2882-459B-A871-986667C22337@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C272CD40-E5BC-43C0-8223-6E51316A74AC@skynet.be>
	<D85BE4D7-7AE3-472F-BBAB-772FF6A36C5A@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <486233CE-E063-4810-8916-13951D865D02@skynet.be>


Le 09-ao?t-09 ? 23:12, Mark Schonewille a ?crit :

> Yves,
>
> First of all, you need to define a variable. Without variables, php  
> isn't even aware that you tried to send something. Second, you need  
> to urlEncode your data. For example:
>
> put "myVar=" & urlEncode(fld "myFld") into myString
> post myString to url "http://www.mondomaine.be/dossierscripts/ 
> test.php"
>
> If you have multiples variables, myString should be of the following  
> format:
>
> "myVar1=" & myData1 & "&myVar2=" & myData2
>
> where myDataX is urlEncoded.
>




re Mark,

yesssssss ! it works !!

thank you very much

Bonjour from Belgium !

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  9 18:27:47 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 15:27:47 -0700
Subject: post command
In-Reply-To: <D85BE4D7-7AE3-472F-BBAB-772FF6A36C5A@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <A557892B-20E0-4E5B-87A6-1DB644FA361B@skynet.be>
	<4A7F225E-2882-459B-A871-986667C22337@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C272CD40-E5BC-43C0-8223-6E51316A74AC@skynet.be>
	<D85BE4D7-7AE3-472F-BBAB-772FF6A36C5A@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <88A3C9B8-83DD-43D3-8EAC-073C5D9D23BF@yahoo.com>

Please remember that a 'variable' in Rev is not the same as a  
'variable' in a POST command sent to a PHP script.

The PHP script parses the *single string* that is passed into the  
following:
pairs of names and values...
the name of the variable PHP will use, the string value of the variable

Send this from Rev "flower=rose&plant=tree&shrub=Arbor%20Vitae"
( the %20 represents a valid space character to PHP)
----------
put "flower=rose&plant=tree&shrub=Arbor%20Vitae" into stringToSend
post "" to "http://thisdomain.com/landscaping/inventory.php"

PHP *parses* this incoming string to (case sensitive)
$flower  with a value of "rose"
$plant  with a value of "tree"
$shrub  with a value of "Arbor Vitae"

but not   $Shrub  or  $sHrub  or  $shruB

Trying to refer to $Shrub if it is not defined will produce and error  
and stop the PHP script execution.
PHP will render the error message as part of your visible web page.

------------------------
To pass an array, you need to (in Rev) convert the array to a single  
string with delimiters, pass this to PHP, and then run script lines in  
PHP to convert the string into an array (usually using a series of the  
'explode' function)

If a stack has a card for each {guitar, drum}
and a field listing {Flaminco, 400 and Stratocaster,3000}{snare,150   
base,350  tympani,2900}
An example string sent to PHP
build the string and then choose a name for the PHP script to use as  
the variable

*note, you must pass the legal variable name for PHP, and it needs to  
match the name that the PHP script will use to work with the variable.

"musicArr=guitar~Flaminco,400^Stratocaster,3000|drum~snare,150^base, 
350^tympani,2900"

//PHP allows multi dimensional arrays, so we need to build it from the  
string
$instruments = explode('|', $musicArr);
then you explode each instrument and add it to the $instruments array
then you explode each listed kind (Flaminco) and add it to the  
$instruments array
    and set the value at the same time  =>  with the price (eg $2900  
for the tympani)

The result is one PHP variable that is a multidimensional array such  
that
$price = $instruments['guitar']['Stratocaster']   // 3000
$price = $instruments['drum']['tympani']   // 2900

Fun and games and a little bit of stress.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Yves,
>
> First of all, you need to define a variable. Without variables, php  
> isn't even aware that you tried to send something. Second, you need  
> to urlEncode your data. For example:
>
> put "myVar=" & urlEncode(fld "myFld") into myString
> post myString to url "http://www.mondomaine.be/dossierscripts/ 
> test.php"
>
> If you have multiples variables, myString should be of the following  
> format:
>
> "myVar1=" & myData1 & "&myVar2=" & myData2
>
> where myDataX is urlEncoded.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Submit your software products to http://www.quickestpublisher.com  
> and get found!
>
> On 9 aug 2009, at 22:56, Yves COPPE wrote:
>>
>> re,
>>
>> text fld
>>
>> text tab text tab text
>> text tab text tab text
>> text tab text tab text
>> ....
>> about 10 lines
>>
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> Yves COPPE
>> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  9 18:38:33 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 15:38:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: How do you solve this dilemma?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0908090553340.24514@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <24878034.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908082139300.23284@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<24886376.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908090553340.24514@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <24892045.post@talk.nabble.com>


Judy Perry wrote:

> What sorts of things would your colleagues like to be able to do with Rev?

Actually, it will be better to show them by example:
"What you could do with Rev in your classes".
(Now, i remember Mark Greenberg stacks)

Already, i have show them templates for Multiple choice exams,
Reading Tests and the kind of tests used in Moodle.

Some have asked about SCORM compliance
http://www.loaz.com/learning-objects/learning-object-standards-scorm.html
and the avalability of training from the source like Adobe and Microsoft
offer.
(this seems really important and looks related to new requisites of training
and actualization for teachers)

Jacque,
About the conferences, i will look for them for translating, as soon
my workload return to normal. Many thanks for your help!

al


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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Aug  9 19:53:18 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:53:18 -0700
Subject: formattedText and Unicode
Message-ID: <4A7F616E.2010701@fourthworld.com>

I've been avoiding using Unicode because of all the difficulties noted 
here with Rev, and I just haven't needed it.  But now I have a bunch of 
files in which I don't know whether they're UTF-8 or UTF-16, and I don't 
know which language's character set they use.

First, I need to just display these in a field. That would seem simple 
enough, but I haven't figured out a reliable way to do this without 
knowing some external information about the files.  Use the wrong 
character set and they look like junk.

Then I need to get the formattedText of the field so I can measure 
distances to line breaks.  So far it seems that the formattedText 
property is limited to ASCII only -- is that correct?

Am I just missing something obvious here?

I'll continue with my experiments, but if you have any pointers they 
would be much appreciated.

TIA -

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  9 20:26:55 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 17:26:55 -0700
Subject: post command (typo correction)
In-Reply-To: <D85BE4D7-7AE3-472F-BBAB-772FF6A36C5A@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <A557892B-20E0-4E5B-87A6-1DB644FA361B@skynet.be>
	<4A7F225E-2882-459B-A871-986667C22337@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C272CD40-E5BC-43C0-8223-6E51316A74AC@skynet.be>
	<D85BE4D7-7AE3-472F-BBAB-772FF6A36C5A@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <57C74595-7122-4E32-80F1-78BE9A0B1FFE@yahoo.com>

Please remember that a 'variable' in Rev is not the same as a  
'variable' in a POST command sent to a PHP script.

The PHP script parses the *single string* that is passed into the  
following:
pairs of names and values...
the name of the variable PHP will use, the string value of the variable

Send this from Rev "flower=rose&plant=tree&shrub=Arbor%20Vitae"
( the %20 represents a valid space character to PHP)
----------
put "flower=rose&plant=tree&shrub=Arbor%20Vitae" into stringToSend
post stringToSend to "http://thisdomain.com/landscaping/inventory.php"

PHP *parses* this incoming string to (case sensitive)
$flower  with a value of "rose"
$plant  with a value of "tree"
$shrub  with a value of "Arbor Vitae"

but not   $Shrub  or  $sHrub  or  $shruB

Trying to refer to $Shrub if it is not defined will produce and error  
and stop the PHP script execution.
PHP will render the error message as part of your visible web page.

------------------------
To pass an array, you need to (in Rev) convert the array to a single  
string with delimiters, pass this to PHP, and then run script lines in  
PHP to convert the string into an array (usually using a series of the  
'explode' function)

If a stack has a card for each {guitar, drum}
and a field listing {Flaminco, 400 and Stratocaster,3000}{snare,150   
base,350  tympani,2900}
An example string sent to PHP
build the string and then choose a name for the PHP script to use as  
the variable

*note, you must pass the legal variable name for PHP, and it needs to  
match the name that the PHP script will use to work with the variable.

"musicArr=guitar~Flaminco,400^Stratocaster,3000|drum~snare,150^base, 
350^tympani,2900"

//PHP allows multi dimensional arrays, so we need to build it from the  
string
$instruments = explode('|', $musicArr);
then you explode each instrument and add it to the $instruments array
then you explode each listed kind (Flaminco) and add it to the  
$instruments array
   and set the value at the same time  =>  with the price (eg $2900  
for the tympani)

The result is one PHP variable that is a multidimensional array such  
that
$price = $instruments['guitar']['Stratocaster']   // 3000
$price = $instruments['drum']['tympani']   // 2900

Fun and games and a little bit of stress.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Aug 9, 2009, at 2:12 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Yves,
>
> First of all, you need to define a variable. Without variables, php  
> isn't even aware that you tried to send something. Second, you need  
> to urlEncode your data. For example:
>
> put "myVar=" & urlEncode(fld "myFld") into myString
> post myString to url "http://www.mondomaine.be/dossierscripts/ 
> test.php"
>
> If you have multiples variables, myString should be of the following  
> format:
>
> "myVar1=" & myData1 & "&myVar2=" & myData2
>
> where myDataX is urlEncoded.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Submit your software products to http://www.quickestpublisher.com  
> and get found!
>
> On 9 aug 2009, at 22:56, Yves COPPE wrote:
>>
>> re,
>>
>> text fld
>>
>> text tab text tab text
>> text tab text tab text
>> text tab text tab text
>> ....
>> about 10 lines
>>
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> Yves COPPE
>> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Aug  9 20:29:42 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:29:42 -0500
Subject: Option Menu Coloring
Message-ID: <4A7F69F6.8020104@crcom.net>

What (if any) is the property to change the background color of the 
button with the arrow on an option menu.  I set the backgroundcolor but 
that sets not only the background color of the text but also the 
background of the arrow button.

len morgan


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sun Aug  9 20:32:22 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 17:32:22 -0700
Subject: formattedText and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <4A7F616E.2010701@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A7F616E.2010701@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A7F6A96.8010305@pdslabs.net>

Hi Richard,

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> I've been avoiding using Unicode because of all the difficulties noted 
> here with Rev, and I just haven't needed it.  But now I have a bunch 
> of files in which I don't know whether they're UTF-8 or UTF-16, and I 
> don't know which language's character set they use.
>
> First, I need to just display these in a field. That would seem simple 
> enough, but I haven't figured out a reliable way to do this without 
> knowing some external information about the files.  Use the wrong 
> character set and they look like junk.

Don't know if this will help, but Klaus posted a response to Ken Ray in 
"Re: Detecting UTF-8 Encoded Files" on 7 Aug. It contains helpful hints 
about detecting what Unicode file format you're dealing with - I don't 
know if the tips work universally, but maybe that's a starting place.

>
> Then I need to get the formattedText of the field so I can measure 
> distances to line breaks.  So far it seems that the formattedText 
> property is limited to ASCII only -- is that correct?
>
> Am I just missing something obvious here?
>
> I'll continue with my experiments, but if you have any pointers they 
> would be much appreciated.
>
> TIA -
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com 

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Aug  9 22:06:27 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:06:27 -0700
Subject: formattedText and Unicode
Message-ID: <4A7F80A3.1040700@fourthworld.com>

Phil Davis wrote:
> Don't know if this will help, but Klaus posted a response to Ken Ray in 
> "Re: Detecting UTF-8 Encoded Files" on 7 Aug. It contains helpful hints 
> about detecting what Unicode file format you're dealing with - I don't 
> know if the tips work universally, but maybe that's a starting place.

That was just what I needed.  Well, mostly anyway.  Thanks to Mark 
Waddingham, Klaus, and Mark Smith for his swapBytes function, now I have 
some progress here.

The code posted below is as far as I've gotten.  It displays every test 
file on my drive almost perfectly, including UTF8 and UTF16 in both big- 
and little-endian.

Two challenges remain:

While the glyphs appear to be good, the line spacing is way off. 
Looking at the same files in TextEdit shows a lot of blank lines, but in 
the Rev field they're all bunched up together.

And second, I've found no way to get the formattedText in any form that 
looks usable. :(

Any tips on those would be much appreciated.  Thanks again for the code 
examples that got me this far.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com

----------------------------------------------------------

on mouseUp
   answer file "Selecf a file:"
   if it is empty then exit to top
   put url ("binfile:"&it) into tData
   set the unicodeText of fld 1 to RawDataToUTF16(tData)
end mouseUp


function RawDataToUTF16 pData
   -- Examine the data to determine encoding:
   switch
   case charToNum(byte 1 of pData) = 0
     put "UTF16BE" into tTextEncoding
     break
   case charToNum(byte 1 of pData) = 0xFE and charToNum(char 2 of pData) 
= 0xFF
     delete byte 1 to 2 of pData
     put "UTF16BE" into tTextEncoding
     break
   case charToNum(byte 1 of pData) = 0xFF and charToNum(char 2 of pData) 
= 0xFE
     delete byte 1 to 2 of pData
     put "UTF16LE" into tTextEncoding
     break
   default
     put "UTF8" into tTextEncoding
     break
   end switch
   --
   if tTextEncoding begins with "UTF16" then
     -- Check byte order, swapping if needed:
     if the processor is "x86" then
       put "LE" into tHostByteOrder
     else
       put "BE" into tHostByteOrder
     end if
     if byte -2 to -1 of tTextEncoding <> tHostByteOrder then
       put swapbytes(pData) into pData
     end if
     -- Already utf16, so nothing more needs to be done:
     put pData into tFieldData
   else
     -- Convert from utf8 to Rev's native utf16:
     put uniEncode(pData, "UTF8") into tFieldData
   end if
   --
   return tFieldData
end RawDataToUTF16


function swapBytes pString
   repeat with n = 1 to length(pString) - 1 step 2
     put byte n+1 of pString & byte n of pString after swappedString
   end repeat
   return swappedString
end swapBytes


From edljr at mac.com  Sun Aug  9 22:15:42 2009
From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:15:42 -0500
Subject: Enterprises that don't allow "foreign" exe's
In-Reply-To: <4A77D420.4080507@pdslabs.net>
References: <4A77D128.6030501@pdslabs.net>
	<3FD9028D-9C35-48CD-8C14-ED265D82A337@ezpzapps.com>
	<4A77D420.4080507@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <526921DC-27D8-43CE-9894-606D660E9927@mac.com>

Phil,

My 25-years of govt experience tells me that the answer depends upon  
which agency/department you are referring to. Take DoD for example,  
they use service-wide encrypted Intranets. They have a list of COTS  
that are authorized for installation. If your product or related plug- 
in is not on the list, it takes time and hoops to to get it there.

Ed

ID Leaders
http://idleaders.com

On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:24 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Thanks Jim. Good idea.
>
>
> Jim Sims wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>
>>> TIA for any responses.
>>
>>
>> Maybe consulting directly with Kevin might be valuable for you.
>>
>> The Rev web site does (at least did) list a US Gov't agency or two  
>> that uses Rev, perhaps some insight might be gained by talking to  
>> the people involved with them.
>>
>> sims
>
> -- 
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Sun Aug  9 22:20:28 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:20:28 +1000
Subject: formattedText and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <4A7F80A3.1040700@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C6A5C10C.57F3%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 10/08/09 12:06 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Two challenges remain:
> 
> While the glyphs appear to be good, the line spacing is way off.
> Looking at the same files in TextEdit shows a lot of blank lines, but in
> the Rev field they're all bunched up together.
> 
> And second, I've found no way to get the formattedText in any form that
> looks usable. :(
> 
Richard - do you have any 'sample' files that you'd be willing to share to
others prepared to do a bit of further testing/investigation?

Terry...



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Aug  9 22:28:27 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:28:27 -0700
Subject: formattedText and Unicode
Message-ID: <4A7F85CB.5050104@fourthworld.com>

Terry Judd wrote:

> On 10/08/09 12:06 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
>> Two challenges remain:
>> 
>> While the glyphs appear to be good, the line spacing is way off.
>> Looking at the same files in TextEdit shows a lot of blank lines, but in
>> the Rev field they're all bunched up together.
>> 
>> And second, I've found no way to get the formattedText in any form that
>> looks usable. :(
>> 
> Richard - do you have any 'sample' files that you'd be willing to share to
> others prepared to do a bit of further testing/investigation?

Thanks for asking, Terry.  Oddly enough, I can find the most obscure 
stuff on the web but looking for collections of Unicode sample files has 
been difficult.

Most of the texts I have are from a client, so I'm not at liberty to 
distribute them.

But I found a good trick for generating all sorts of files: if you're a 
Mac user TextEdit lets you save files in a great many different encodings.

I opened up some plain text files here, and saved 'em out various ways 
in TextEdit.  Doesn't help with the multi-lingual stuff, but at least 
lets you pin down handing different encoding methods -- and in a 
language I can read. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From katir at hindu.org  Sun Aug  9 22:55:33 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:55:33 -1000
Subject: Edu Ware Revlets
Message-ID: <4A7F8C25.5070500@hindu.org>

Does anyone have any eduware (even rough cuts) running as revlets?

Can you post some URL's?

 I need to show some people how it works...


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sun Aug  9 23:11:52 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:11:52 -0700
Subject: Enterprises that don't allow "foreign" exe's
In-Reply-To: <526921DC-27D8-43CE-9894-606D660E9927@mac.com>
References: <4A77D128.6030501@pdslabs.net>	<3FD9028D-9C35-48CD-8C14-ED265D82A337@ezpzapps.com>	<4A77D420.4080507@pdslabs.net>
	<526921DC-27D8-43CE-9894-606D660E9927@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A7F8FF8.8080703@pdslabs.net>

Thanks so much Ed.
Phil


Edward D Lavieri Jr wrote:
> Phil,
>
> My 25-years of govt experience tells me that the answer depends upon 
> which agency/department you are referring to. Take DoD for example, 
> they use service-wide encrypted Intranets. They have a list of COTS 
> that are authorized for installation. If your product or related 
> plug-in is not on the list, it takes time and hoops to to get it there.
>
> Ed
>
> ID Leaders
> http://idleaders.com
>
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 1:24 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jim. Good idea.
>>
>>
>> Jim Sims wrote:
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 8:11 AM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>>
>>>> TIA for any responses.
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe consulting directly with Kevin might be valuable for you.
>>>
>>> The Rev web site does (at least did) list a US Gov't agency or two 
>>> that uses Rev, perhaps some insight might be gained by talking to 
>>> the people involved with them.
>>>
>>> sims

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Aug  9 23:14:36 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:14:36 -0500
Subject: Array Question
Message-ID: <4A7F909C.3050001@crcom.net>

Can you use a variable name as the index of an array?  It doesn't appear 
so or I'm doing something wrong.  Here's what I'm trying:

put 1 into tasks["Search"]
put 2 into tasks["Reports"]

then in a menuPick handler:

on menuPick pChoice
    goto cd tasks[pChoice]
end menuPick

I need to do this because I have more cards than I have menu choices and 
they are intermixed with the "real" ones and I don't want the user to go 
directly to these "hidden" cards.

Am I going to have to resort to a "do" command?  I tried that quickly 
but it just gave me an error.

len morgan


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sun Aug  9 23:20:33 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 20:20:33 -0700
Subject: Array Question
In-Reply-To: <4A7F909C.3050001@crcom.net>
References: <4A7F909C.3050001@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <4A7F9201.5010402@pdslabs.net>

Len Morgan wrote:
> Can you use a variable name as the index of an array?  It doesn't 
> appear so or I'm doing something wrong.  Here's what I'm trying:
>
> put 1 into tasks["Search"]
> put 2 into tasks["Reports"]
>
> then in a menuPick handler:
>
> on menuPick pChoice
>    goto cd tasks[pChoice]
> end menuPick

Hi Len,
If your actual script contains "goto" and not "go to", that could be 
your problem.

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Sun Aug  9 23:27:51 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:27:51 +1000
Subject: formattedText and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <4A7F85CB.5050104@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C6A5D0D7.57FB%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 10/08/09 12:28 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> I opened up some plain text files here, and saved 'em out various ways
> in TextEdit.  Doesn't help with the multi-lingual stuff, but at least
> lets you pin down handing different encoding methods -- and in a
> language I can read. :)

OK I'll give that a whirl.

Terry...



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Mon Aug 10 00:00:56 2009
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:00:56 +1000
Subject: formattedText and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <4A7F80A3.1040700@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C6A5D898.57FF%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

On 10/08/09 12:06 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Two challenges remain:
> 
> While the glyphs appear to be good, the line spacing is way off.
> Looking at the same files in TextEdit shows a lot of blank lines, but in
> the Rev field they're all bunched up together.
> 
> And second, I've found no way to get the formattedText in any form that
> looks usable. :(
> 
> Any tips on those would be much appreciated.  Thanks again for the code
> examples that got me this far.

Richard - any special instructions on what range/variety of characters the
text should contain? because I had not trouble with either line spacing or
displaying/exporting the formatted text with a chunk of text I tested
imported as UTF-8, UTF-16LE and UTF-16BE.

Terry...



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 10 00:05:52 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:05:52 -0500
Subject: Array Question
In-Reply-To: <4A7F909C.3050001@crcom.net>
References: <4A7F909C.3050001@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <4A7F9CA0.1040504@hyperactivesw.com>

Len Morgan wrote:
> Can you use a variable name as the index of an array?  It doesn't appear 
> so or I'm doing something wrong.  Here's what I'm trying:
> 
> put 1 into tasks["Search"]
> put 2 into tasks["Reports"]
> 
> then in a menuPick handler:
> 
> on menuPick pChoice
>    goto cd tasks[pChoice]
> end menuPick
> 
> I need to do this because I have more cards than I have menu choices and 
> they are intermixed with the "real" ones and I don't want the user to go 
> directly to these "hidden" cards.

Variables will work. Besides the "goto" issue, where are you filling the 
array? If it's in the same script as the menupick handler then it needs 
to be declared as a script local variable at the top of the script:

   local tasks -- allows all handlers in this script to access it

   on fillArray
     put 1 into tasks["Search"]
     put 2 into tasks["Reports"]
   end fillArray

   on menuPick pChoice
     if the keys of tasks = "" then fillArray
     go to cd tasks[pChoice]
   end menuPick

Otherwise it won't be shared among the script handlers. If you are 
filling the tasks array in a different script, then you either need to 
make it a global variable or store it in a custom property (or property 
set) which you load into the tasks variable when you need it. In other 
words, there must be some way for all handlers to get access to the 
tasks variable. When it is only referenced within a handler, the 
variable will be set to empty when the handler begins and deleted when 
the handler ends.

If your stack design allows it, it's often easier to just name cards the 
same as the menu items. Since card names aren't visible to the user, you 
can call them anything, and then all you need to do is:

on menuPick pChoice
   go cd pChoice
end menuPick

It's a good idea to set the navigationArrows property to false if you 
don't want users paging through cards via the keyboard.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 10 00:35:02 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:35:02 -0700
Subject: formattedText and Unicode
Message-ID: <4A7FA376.6000008@fourthworld.com>

In Mark Wieder's example I had mistakenly thought that he was converting 
Unicode line endings only for his PC-specific storage needs.  Turns out 
that this is needed to display as well (though I'm still not sure why it 
should be necessary).

So here's the latest function for putting binary data from a file into a 
form suitable for tucking into the unicodeText of a field:


function RawDataToUTF16 pData
   -- Examine the data to determine encoding:
   switch
   case charToNum(byte 1 of pData) = 0
     put "UTF16BE" into tTextEncoding
     break
   case charToNum(byte 1 of pData) = 0xFE and charToNum(char 2 of pData) 
= 0xFF
     delete byte 1 to 2 of pData
     put "UTF16BE" into tTextEncoding
     break
   case charToNum(byte 1 of pData) = 0xFF and charToNum(char 2 of pData) 
= 0xFE
     delete byte 1 to 2 of pData
     put "UTF16LE" into tTextEncoding
     break
   default
     put "UTF8" into tTextEncoding
     break
   end switch
   --
   if tTextEncoding begins with "UTF16" then
     -- Check byte order, swapping if needed:
     if the processor is "x86" then
       put "LE" into tHostByteOrder
     else
       put "BE" into tHostByteOrder
     end if
     if byte -2 to -1 of tTextEncoding <> tHostByteOrder then
       put swapbytes(pData) into pData
     end if
     -- Already utf16, so nothing more needs to be done:
     #put uniEncode(uniDecode(pData, utf16),16) into tFieldData
   put pData into tFieldData
   else
     -- Convert from utf8 to Rev's native utf16:
     put uniEncode(pData, "UTF8") into tFieldData
   end if
   --
  replace CRLF with cr in tFieldData
    replace numtochar(13) with cr in tfieldData
   return tFieldData
end RawDataToUTF16


I still don't have a solution for using formattedText with Unicode, but 
may be able to find an algorithm for what I'm doing which bypasses that.

Many thanks are due to Devin Asay.  His summary notes here are a helpful 
introduction to working with Unicode in Rev:
<http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/unicodeInRev.php>


PS: While having this solution is cool, and seems to reliably handle a 
wider range of files than even TextEdit does in its automatic mode, I 
find myself thinking there should be an easier way to do something as 
simple as putting text into a field.  Maybe Rev 5.0? :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 10 00:38:26 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 21:38:26 -0700
Subject: formattedText and Unicode
Message-ID: <4A7FA442.6070700@fourthworld.com>

Terry Judd wrote:
> Richard - any special instructions on what range/variety of characters the
> text should contain? because I had not trouble with either line spacing or
> displaying/exporting the formatted text with a chunk of text I tested
> imported as UTF-8, UTF-16LE and UTF-16BE.

Thanks for looking into this, Terry.  Not sure why I was having line 
endings not showing, but the latest version of the function which now 
replaces platform-specific line endings with Rev-native (Unix, "CR") 
line endings works a treat.

Anyone with more experience have any idea why line endings would be only 
sometimes problematic with Unicode?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 04:19:47 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:19:47 +0300
Subject: formattedText and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <C6A5C10C.57F3%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C6A5C10C.57F3%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <4A7FD823.2000900@gmail.com>

Terry Judd wrote:
> On 10/08/09 12:06 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Two challenges remain:
>>
>> While the glyphs appear to be good, the line spacing is way off.
>> Looking at the same files in TextEdit shows a lot of blank lines, but in
>> the Rev field they're all bunched up together.
>>     
Pump them out as HTML
>> And second, I've found no way to get the formattedText in any form that
>> looks usable. :(
>>
>>     
> Richard - do you have any 'sample' files that you'd be willing to share to
> others prepared to do a bit of further testing/investigation?
>
> Terry...
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Aug 10 06:57:16 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:57:16 +0100
Subject: A Slightly More Complex revLet Question
In-Reply-To: <FA929B10-EF6B-4F4D-8B70-507DF35FD8C6@qldlearning.com>
References: <4A7EFC96.4010908@crcom.net>
	<61652089-7908-40F0-AAE9-21075F891A62@economy-x-talk.com> 
	<4A7F0EEE.1010800@crcom.net>
	<FA929B10-EF6B-4F4D-8B70-507DF35FD8C6@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908100357o6eb2dc2uad8e0f88c1315c88@mail.gmail.com>

That approach can also be done with On-Rev

RevOpenDatabase ...

switch $_GET["query"]
  case "clientdata"
    put ""SELECT * FROM clients WHERE username = '" & $_GET['param1'] & "'"
into tSQL
    break;
   ...
  end switch
  put RevDataFromQuery(cr, tab, tDatabaseID, tSQL) into tData

and so on...

On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 7:55 PM, Brian Yennie <briany at qldlearning.com> wrote:

> Len,
>
> FWIW, I would recommend going the PHP route (or any server side language).
> That way you will never have to worry about a firewall, and won't have to
> maintain any sort of database connectivity from inside a browser. Do revLets
> support ODBC?
>
> You can just say something like:
>
> put url "http://myserver.com/db.php?query=clientdata&param1=george" into
> georgeData
>
> On the server:
>
> mysql->connect(..)
>
> $query = $_GET["query"]
>
> switch ($query) {
>        case "clientdata"
>                $sql = "SELECT * FROM clients WHERE username =
> '".$_GET['param1']."'";
>                break;
>        ...
> }
>
> $data = mysql->query(..);
>
> ...
>
>
> Maintenance becomes very easy. One line on the client to make a query, just
> write the PHP script once and add queries as you need them.
>
>
>  The particular customer would have the web server farm and SQL Server
>> (Microsoft's) in the same server room so security shouldn't be an issue
>> unless the revlet can somehow be broken into on the client end.  Most of the
>> end users have trouble spelling G.E.D. so this is a minimal risk but it is
>> there.  Perhaps I AM making it more complicated (in my head) than it really
>> is.  I'll have to use ODBC because we don't have either other DB Driver that
>> can speak to a SQL Server.
>>
>> My immediate issue is they would like to see some sort of demonstration of
>> what's possible (after all, the app I'm trying to replace was written over a
>> 10 year period!)  not the finished product.  Therefore, I'd like to upload
>> the sample program to my on-Rev account and have them access the data on my
>> desktop computer at home (which has a SQL Server and some old data on it).
>>  I don't offhand know what port SQL Server uses but I have no problems with
>> them accessing the data directly for a limited time and I don't think they
>> will have a problem with this revLet accessing THEIR SQL Server if they
>> decide to green-light the project.
>>
>> I'll do some playing around with it.
>>
>> Len Morgan
>> KTTK, Inc.
>>
>> Mark Schonewille wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Len,
>>>
>>> Yes, if the server allows it, you can do all you describe. It is indeed
>>> recommendable to use a cgi or irev to connect to MySql. I use PHP for this.
>>> Many hosts, including yours sincerely, don't allow a direct a connection to
>>> a database from a MySQL client.
>>>
>>> Why would you put effort into keeping a connection alive? I don't think
>>> that keeping a connection alive will increase transaction speed
>>> significantly, unless you can connect to a database directly, without
>>> cgi/irev/php.
>>>
>>> You can write a cgi or php script, for instance, which interprets a query
>>> from your client and executes it. I would consider this rather insecure,
>>> because a hacker who finds out how to send queries gets full control over
>>> your database.
>>>
>>> You can get a url or use the post command to connect to a server and send
>>> your query from your revlet the same way you can from a desktop standalone.
>>>
>>> Why is this complex?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Mark Schonewille
>>>
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Aug 10 08:44:47 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 08:44:47 -0400
Subject: [datagrid] bug? TAB navigation follows INDEX order instead of
	LINE order
In-Reply-To: <24887075.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <24887075.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C7A1150F-E143-45F4-87CE-1D8056930D9B@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 9, 2009, at 9:15 AM, Robert M. wrote:

> In detail : I selectHilite the line before (Line), but add a line  
> from the
> next one since it is inserted before (Line+1), the new line gets in  
> position
> Line+1 with an index (total lines+1), the former line+1 becomes line 
> +2.
> - When I tab from line LINE the tab jumps to line+2.
> - I f I keep on tabbing, it goes past the latest line.. and back to  
> the new
> line+1
> So temporalrily, the normal tabulation follows line numbering is out  
> and the
> tabulation follows index..
>
> ...
>
> but I suspect it not the most efficient way to walk around.. this  
> bug could
> have other consequences.
> -- Trevor do you have a clue on what's going on there?

Hi Robert,

The default behavior for tabbing in a data grid table only tabs  
between columns in the current line. It doesn't switch to the next  
line. I'm not able to reproduce the problem you are describing so I  
wonder if you have you added some custom coding that does this?

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 10 10:08:29 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:08:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Vote to fix gif animation display in Windows
Message-ID: <24900466.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

Please, vote for bug 8208
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8208

RevMedia 4 display animated gifs with black trails, but this
appears in Windows, not Mac OS X, not sure about Linux.

This problem affect most of the commercial gif animations that actually
uses this compression scheme for gif animations.

Look at the top right corner of this screenshot.
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/Learn_Japanese_Syllabaries_error01.PNG

If you could check this problem in Linux platforms and post a screenshot,
download the stack from:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/Learn_Japanese_Syllabaries_v092.zip

Thanks in advance.

al
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Aug 10 10:44:26 2009
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:44:26 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <D0345A05-BE71-459C-B428-4B7F66A03913@qldlearning.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>
	<1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0345A05-BE71-459C-B428-4B7F66A03913@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <6E97319A-1AB0-4182-8BF1-88A57BFE3A36@canelasoftware.com>

Defense shields coming up...

Let's be clear -- I was not flaming or bashing Jerry's work at all.
Why else, as Brian observed, would I return each time for more
punishment? Cause the whole concept of Jerry's work, as frustrating as
the software might be, is the way the Rev ide should ideally work.

Anyway, thank you for the rev-editor website ref, but I already knew
about it. Why am I posting here then? Well, it is not clear on the
rev-editor page how to post a comment. Tried the login area, but just
a spiel there about joining something called "Posterous" ("Sign up is
a snap, and lets you customize and edit your posterous.").

So, not wanting to hand out my email address to a "Posterous", and,
just as importantly, given that others here were already talking about
tRev (Sarah, I would've purchased tRev eventually, cause I do like
Jerry's work),  I took the tacit go-ahead and posted here.

Anyway.

--
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Aug 10 10:44:26 2009
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:44:26 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev Feature Friday Videos!
In-Reply-To: <D0345A05-BE71-459C-B428-4B7F66A03913@qldlearning.com>
References: <194290E5-89EE-4730-8D15-D5BAB8598F00@me.com>
	<f99b52860908071633q630152b4n1d620adcd61eda9f@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC685826-49AB-431B-B64C-D220ACBBDE7A@me.com>
	<1e91b2b70908072151y3d5d0d50o39c592802abf785@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0345A05-BE71-459C-B428-4B7F66A03913@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <24E97044-00AF-4F97-A2DD-48E5A42C3810@canelasoftware.com>

Defense shields coming up...

Let's be clear -- I was not flaming or bashing Jerry's work at all.
Why else, as Brian observed, would I return each time for more
punishment? Cause the whole concept of Jerry's work, as frustrating as
the software might be, is the way the Rev ide should ideally work.

Anyway, thank you for the rev-editor website ref, but I already knew
about it. Why am I posting here then? Well, it is not clear on the
rev-editor page how to post a comment. Tried the login area, but just
a spiel there about joining something called "Posterous" ("Sign up is
a snap, and lets you customize and edit your posterous.").

So, not wanting to hand out my email address to a "Posterous", and,
just as importantly, given that others here were already talking about
tRev (Sarah, I would've purchased tRev eventually, cause I do like
Jerry's work),  I took the tacit go-ahead and posted here.

Anyway.

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From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Aug 10 13:21:00 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:21:00 -0700
Subject: Startup question
Message-ID: <73203078-C40A-413F-908D-BE896883D0C9@cox.net>

Hi everyone,

There used to be a method whereby you could designate a specific  
document be opened upon startup. In Leopard, I find no such  
possibility. Any one know where it is hidden?

TIA,

Joe Wilkins


From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Aug 10 13:28:20 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:28:20 -0700
Subject: Startup question
In-Reply-To: <73203078-C40A-413F-908D-BE896883D0C9@cox.net>
References: <73203078-C40A-413F-908D-BE896883D0C9@cox.net>
Message-ID: <B1E30DEE-0119-4C89-9F35-8F454D320A0E@cox.net>

Sorry, I should have asked Finder Help the same question.
Joe Wilkins



From coiin at rcn.com  Mon Aug 10 13:38:22 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:38:22 -0400
Subject: Startup question
In-Reply-To: <B1E30DEE-0119-4C89-9F35-8F454D320A0E@cox.net>
References: <73203078-C40A-413F-908D-BE896883D0C9@cox.net>
	<B1E30DEE-0119-4C89-9F35-8F454D320A0E@cox.net>
Message-ID: <543C57AB-2C09-4C62-A6D6-96B4E2184573@rcn.com>


On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Sorry, I should have asked Finder Help the same question.

Indeed. And for anyone who wanted to know the answer:

System Preferences/Accounts/Your Account/Login Items.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 10 13:37:06 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:37:06 -0700
Subject: pixel locations of selection in RevBrowser
Message-ID: <4A805AC2.5050107@fourthworld.com>

I need to know the pixel locations of the bounds of range of selected 
text in a RevBrowser pane.

I don't necessarily need the horizontal locations, but the vertical 
locations are essential, the top and bottom of a selected range of text.

I've considered making a JS callback, but can't find a JS library which 
will return those coordinates.

Anyone here solve such a problem before?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From briany at qldlearning.com  Mon Aug 10 13:43:29 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:43:29 -0700
Subject: pixel locations of selection in RevBrowser
In-Reply-To: <4A805AC2.5050107@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A805AC2.5050107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <AF4F9917-1B87-4F6E-9829-2A457EA0C062@qldlearning.com>

Richard,

FWIW, this seems to be the Javascript class you'd need:
http://www.webreference.com/js/column12/trmethods.html

HTH

> I need to know the pixel locations of the bounds of range of  
> selected text in a RevBrowser pane.
>
> I don't necessarily need the horizontal locations, but the vertical  
> locations are essential, the top and bottom of a selected range of  
> text.
>
> I've considered making a JS callback, but can't find a JS library  
> which will return those coordinates.
>
> Anyone here solve such a problem before?
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Aug 10 13:51:49 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 10:51:49 -0700
Subject: Startup question
In-Reply-To: <543C57AB-2C09-4C62-A6D6-96B4E2184573@rcn.com>
References: <73203078-C40A-413F-908D-BE896883D0C9@cox.net>
	<B1E30DEE-0119-4C89-9F35-8F454D320A0E@cox.net>
	<543C57AB-2C09-4C62-A6D6-96B4E2184573@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <DD2C49EB-A5B2-4AFE-8FEA-B9BB5170983A@cox.net>

Thanks, Colin,

However, this still doesn't allow me to stipulate a "document" as in  
the past; just the application. Bummer.

Joe Wilkins


On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:38 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I should have asked Finder Help the same question.
>
> Indeed. And for anyone who wanted to know the answer:
>
> System Preferences/Accounts/Your Account/Login Items.
>



From edljr at mac.com  Mon Aug 10 13:51:43 2009
From: edljr at mac.com (Edward D Lavieri Jr)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:51:43 -0500
Subject: Startup question
In-Reply-To: <543C57AB-2C09-4C62-A6D6-96B4E2184573@rcn.com>
References: <73203078-C40A-413F-908D-BE896883D0C9@cox.net>
	<B1E30DEE-0119-4C89-9F35-8F454D320A0E@cox.net>
	<543C57AB-2C09-4C62-A6D6-96B4E2184573@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <3AAE470C-60B6-4334-AD46-FE8870B61B66@mac.com>

Thanks for posting this, Colin.

I am a relatively new Mac user and love these knowledge bites.

Ed


On Aug 10, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I should have asked Finder Help the same question.
>
> Indeed. And for anyone who wanted to know the answer:
>
> System Preferences/Accounts/Your Account/Login Items.
>
>
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From coiin at rcn.com  Mon Aug 10 13:57:06 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:57:06 -0400
Subject: Startup question
In-Reply-To: <DD2C49EB-A5B2-4AFE-8FEA-B9BB5170983A@cox.net>
References: <73203078-C40A-413F-908D-BE896883D0C9@cox.net>
	<B1E30DEE-0119-4C89-9F35-8F454D320A0E@cox.net>
	<543C57AB-2C09-4C62-A6D6-96B4E2184573@rcn.com>
	<DD2C49EB-A5B2-4AFE-8FEA-B9BB5170983A@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20C6DB9D-8065-454D-B608-590DAE23EA73@rcn.com>


On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> However, this still doesn't allow me to stipulate a "document" as in  
> the past; just the application. Bummer.

Thats not true. Click the +, add in a document, and away you go.

Now, having it open a document using an application that is not the  
normal application for that document type, can't be expressed in one  
line, but you could add in an AppleScript standalone instead, and that  
could do whatever you want it to do.




From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon Aug 10 14:05:31 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:05:31 -0700
Subject: Startup question
In-Reply-To: <20C6DB9D-8065-454D-B608-590DAE23EA73@rcn.com>
References: <73203078-C40A-413F-908D-BE896883D0C9@cox.net>
	<B1E30DEE-0119-4C89-9F35-8F454D320A0E@cox.net>
	<543C57AB-2C09-4C62-A6D6-96B4E2184573@rcn.com>
	<DD2C49EB-A5B2-4AFE-8FEA-B9BB5170983A@cox.net>
	<20C6DB9D-8065-454D-B608-590DAE23EA73@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <D0CF49C9-6514-4EB6-B21C-0DDE64DC7920@cox.net>

Colin, we thank you.

Joe Wilkins

On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>
>> However, this still doesn't allow me to stipulate a "document" as  
>> in the past; just the application. Bummer.
>
> Thats not true. Click the +, add in a document, and away you go.
>
> Now, having it open a document using an application that is not the  
> normal application for that document type, can't be expressed in one  
> line, but you could add in an AppleScript standalone instead, and  
> that could do whatever you want it to do.



From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Mon Aug 10 14:19:47 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:19:47 -0400
Subject: Edu Ware Revlets
In-Reply-To: <4A7F8C25.5070500@hindu.org>
References: <4A7F8C25.5070500@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <14391DD8-06AD-4CE6-B934-A0D9BBD47697@luceatlux.com>

I have two such up on my site: http://gcb.luceatlux.com/teachablemoments/teachablemoments.irev 
.

George

On Aug 9, 2009, at 10:55 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

Does anyone have any eduware (even rough cuts) running as revlets?

Can you post some URL's?

I need to show some people how it works...
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Mon Aug 10 15:50:15 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:50:15 +0300
Subject: Franklin 3D for Revolution Update
In-Reply-To: <3F805C9DFFF84BA6961A92CEA4D7AA7F@GATEWAY>
References: <3F805C9DFFF84BA6961A92CEA4D7AA7F@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <4A8079F7.5080107@ekoinf.net>

Hi Lynn,

I can't believe no one noticed your announcement :-). I am waiting 
impatiently for the release. Btw. why Franklin?.. Will it work with revlets?

Good luck!
Viktoras


Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> A quick update on Franklin 3D - the 3D game and rendering engine for
> Revolution.
>
> We are going to be able to expose Franklin 3D for Revolution very soon to
> founders - I want one more example stack update. We have demo stack just
> about ready - some tasty bits:
>
> - Rendering includes OpenGL, two "software" renderers and Direct X 9
> (Windows only)
> - Loading a Quake Map
> - Unnative UI (there is a UI engine built right into it)
> - 2D sprite engine
> - Collision detection/gravity
> - Custom Scene Nodes
> - Movement
> - Terrain Rendering
> - Rendering to Texture
> - Split Screens (more to come on this - shows multi camera views - maybe
> multiplayer games...)
>
> Some of the effects aren't quite right yet, that's why the delay.
>
> That's the first batch of examples. There's one in the works that show how
> to handle call backs - several more coming.
>
> The demo stack will let you locate the media folder, select windows size,
> select renderer.
>
> Here's my top five Why This is Cool:
>
> - hardware accelerated graphics - both 3D AND 2D
> - lots of model formats supported, game and not game (like OBJ)
> - OpenGL gives you a great cross-platform option when the Mac OS X version
> is available
> - A lot of stuff like collision detection/gravity is REALLY easy
> - Useful for simulations, 3D viewers for graphics catalogs and more
>
> Founders will be able to pre-order, get codes right away and get into a
> private Google Group. Licenses will include 12 months of updates. The
> licensing system will be very similar to how Valentina works.
>
> Ill post other details soon.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>   



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Mon Aug 10 15:53:58 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:53:58 +0300
Subject: Edu Ware Revlets
In-Reply-To: <14391DD8-06AD-4CE6-B934-A0D9BBD47697@luceatlux.com>
References: <4A7F8C25.5070500@hindu.org>
	<14391DD8-06AD-4CE6-B934-A0D9BBD47697@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <4A807AD6.3060205@ekoinf.net>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

here is one "half-backed" at http://ekoinf.net/imap/

All the best!
Viktoras



From coiin at rcn.com  Mon Aug 10 15:59:13 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:59:13 -0400
Subject: Franklin 3D for Revolution Update
In-Reply-To: <4A8079F7.5080107@ekoinf.net>
References: <3F805C9DFFF84BA6961A92CEA4D7AA7F@GATEWAY>
	<4A8079F7.5080107@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <D3DE1C61-6460-4C85-A089-EF481DAD2E1B@rcn.com>


On Aug 10, 2009, at 3:50 PM, viktoras d. wrote:

> I can't believe no one noticed your announcement :-). I am waiting  
> impatiently for the release. Btw. why Franklin?.. Will it work with  
> revlets?

I'm sure some of us did notice it, but it's missing key information  
that I just took would not be available yet, so no need to ask  
questions for now. Waiting for "I'll post other details soon" is fine.




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Aug 10 16:02:12 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:02:12 -0700
Subject: Franklin 3D for Revolution Update
In-Reply-To: <4A8079F7.5080107@ekoinf.net>
References: <3F805C9DFFF84BA6961A92CEA4D7AA7F@GATEWAY>
	<4A8079F7.5080107@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <4D0A771151CF497E8C968B31874E25A1@GATEWAY>

Hi Viktoras,

> I can't believe no one noticed your announcement :-). I am 
> waiting impatiently for the release. Btw. why Franklin?.. 

Benjamin Franklin is a curious fellow, instrumental in the American
Revolution and also a cool inventor himself. He is infamous for "inventing"
electricity with the lightning rod, but also invented things like the
franklin stove, bifocals, etc. He was a very strange fellow. He wanted the
national bird of the USA to be the turkey and not the bald eagle.


> Will it work with revlets?

We havent tested it - this is implemented using our own Franklin3D.dll and
also the Irrlicht.dll, so it fits the externals format. But Im not sure if
those are working or not in Revolution. Do you know?

Best,

Lynn



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Mon Aug 10 16:15:26 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:15:26 +0300
Subject: Franklin 3D for Revolution Update
In-Reply-To: <4D0A771151CF497E8C968B31874E25A1@GATEWAY>
References: <3F805C9DFFF84BA6961A92CEA4D7AA7F@GATEWAY>	<4A8079F7.5080107@ekoinf.net>
	<4D0A771151CF497E8C968B31874E25A1@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <4A807FDE.7050601@ekoinf.net>

I do not know.. Hopefully revlet technology will have an option to 
update revlet engine with 3rd party externals. Does anyone know?

Best regards!
Viktoras

Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>  Do you know?
>
> Best,
>
> Lynn
>
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From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Mon Aug 10 19:30:32 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:30:32 -0700
Subject: Franklin 3D for Revolution Update
In-Reply-To: <4A8079F7.5080107@ekoinf.net>
References: <3F805C9DFFF84BA6961A92CEA4D7AA7F@GATEWAY>
	<4A8079F7.5080107@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <AFD3ACBF-35E3-4B0A-833D-131728D01445@LinkIt.Com>

I noticed it!  Sounds exciting!

Best wishes.  We'll be following this thread.

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

On Aug 10, 2009, at 12:50 PM, viktoras d. wrote:

> Hi Lynn,
>
> I can't believe no one noticed your announcement :-). I am waiting  
> impatiently for the release. Btw. why Franklin?.. Will it work with  
> revlets?
>
> Good luck!
> Viktoras
>
>
> Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> A quick update on Franklin 3D - the 3D game and rendering engine for
>> Revolution.
>>
>> We are going to be able to expose Franklin 3D for Revolution very  
>> soon to
>> founders - I want one more example stack update. We have demo stack  
>> just
>> about ready - some tasty bits:
>>
>> - Rendering includes OpenGL, two "software" renderers and Direct X 9
>> (Windows only)
>> - Loading a Quake Map
>> - Unnative UI (there is a UI engine built right into it)
>> - 2D sprite engine
>> - Collision detection/gravity
>> - Custom Scene Nodes
>> - Movement
>> - Terrain Rendering
>> - Rendering to Texture
>> - Split Screens (more to come on this - shows multi camera views -  
>> maybe
>> multiplayer games...)
>>
>> Some of the effects aren't quite right yet, that's why the delay.
>>
>> That's the first batch of examples. There's one in the works that  
>> show how
>> to handle call backs - several more coming.
>>
>> The demo stack will let you locate the media folder, select windows  
>> size,
>> select renderer.
>>
>> Here's my top five Why This is Cool:
>>
>> - hardware accelerated graphics - both 3D AND 2D
>> - lots of model formats supported, game and not game (like OBJ)
>> - OpenGL gives you a great cross-platform option when the Mac OS X  
>> version
>> is available
>> - A lot of stuff like collision detection/gravity is REALLY easy
>> - Useful for simulations, 3D viewers for graphics catalogs and more
>>
>> Founders will be able to pre-order, get codes right away and get  
>> into a
>> private Google Group. Licenses will include 12 months of updates. The
>> licensing system will be very similar to how Valentina works.
>>
>> Ill post other details soon.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Lynn Fredricks
>> President
>> Paradigma Software
>> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>>
>> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>>
>
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From Ray at linkit.com  Mon Aug 10 20:08:23 2009
From: Ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:08:23 -0700
Subject: Option Button Width vs. List of Choices Width
In-Reply-To: <mailman.276.1249836506.3865.use-revolution@lists.runrev.com>
References: <mailman.276.1249836506.3865.use-revolution@lists.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8F3CFF4E-6E35-4D89-8EB9-2235AD744D07@linkit.com>

Greetings,

The list of choices when clicking an Option style button on a Mac is  
automatically widened so none are cut off, width-wise.  On Windows the  
choices get cut off if the button's width is narrower than the width  
needed to display the list of choices.  Is this a Windows thing, some  
setting I've missed, something already reported, or something we  
should always trap for?

Thanks,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 10 17:19:55 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:19:55 -0500
Subject: Revlet goURL
Message-ID: <4A808EFB.4080503@hyperactivesw.com>

Has anyone succeeded in writing a revlet script that will take the user 
to a different web page? The revGoURL command doesn't work. Is there a 
different way?

This may not be possible until Javascript integration happens, but maybe 
someone has figured it out.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kkaufman at snet.net  Mon Aug 10 17:49:57 2009
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:49:57 -0400
Subject: Edu Ware Revlets
Message-ID: <7650918A-2C73-4CD8-8B57-40F442DB785E@snet.net>

Those are interesting demonstrations, George.  I'll recommend them to  
some teachers, if that's OK.

Kurt

http://gcb.luceatlux.com/teachablemoments/teachablemoments.irev


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Mon Aug 10 17:58:52 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:58:52 +0000
Subject: Re-2: OT: Any VBS, VBA, Excel specialist out there who might help?
Message-ID: <00037F52.4A80B43A@the-office.us>

Hi Ken,

no problem. I suspended the work on that. 

Thanks for your help. After replacing the line as you suggested it works.

Regards,

Matthias

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: OT: Any VBS, VBA, Excel specialist out there who might help? (07-Aug-2009 16:17)
From:    Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> > as i already said, i am not very familiar with vbs. My script is from
> > a book.
> > 
> > So i am not sure, how and where in the script i should pass this
> > parameter.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Matthias
> 
> Oh geez, Matthias.... I haven't had a chance to read the list for a while
> and just caught this, so I hope I can still help after all this time has
> passed.
> 
> Anyway, here's what you need to do:
> 
> Instead of this line of code that you have right now:
> 
> .Workbooks.OpenText sInPath, , , ,xlTextQualifierNone,,,True,,,,
> ,Array(Array(1, 2), Array(2,2), Array(3,2), Array(4,2), Array(5,2),
> Array(6,1), Array(7,1), Array(8,1), Array(9,1), Array(10,1),
> Array(11,1), Array(12,2))
> 
> pass this one instead (watch the line breaks):
> 
> .Workbooks.OpenText sInPath, , , xlDelimited,xlTextQualifierNone,,,
> True,,,,,Array(Array(1, 2), Array(2,2), Array(3,2), Array(4,2), Array(5,2),
> Array(6,1), Array(7,1), Array(8,1), Array(9,1), Array(10,1),
> Array(11,1), Array(12,2))
> 
> Let me know if this works for you,
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> 
> 
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From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Mon Aug 10 18:02:11 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:02:11 -0400
Subject: Edu Ware Revlets
In-Reply-To: <7650918A-2C73-4CD8-8B57-40F442DB785E@snet.net>
References: <7650918A-2C73-4CD8-8B57-40F442DB785E@snet.net>
Message-ID: <F9193AD5-5F12-4DD7-AC06-A931C7881F5F@luceatlux.com>

Please do recommend them, Kurt!  That's why I put them up, and the  
more that use them the happier I'll be.

I'm interested in creating exploratory environments, where students  
(and teachers) can discover especially qualitative relationships given  
a little guidance.  I've made some others, and hope to add those and  
dream up some additional ones in the coming months.

George

On Aug 10, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote:

Those are interesting demonstrations, George.  I'll recommend them to  
some teachers, if that's OK.

Kurt

http://gcb.luceatlux.com/teachablemoments/teachablemoments.irev
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From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Mon Aug 10 18:09:42 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:09:42 -0700
Subject: Revlet goURL
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A430@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Hi Jacqueline,
Would <a href="http//www.runrev.html">RunRev</a> work?

Regards,
Mark Stuart
Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 10 18:16:11 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:16:11 -0500
Subject: Revlet goURL
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A430@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A430@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <4A809C2B.408@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Stuart wrote:
> Hi Jacqueline,
> Would <a href="http//www.runrev.html">RunRev</a> work?
> 

How would one incorporate that into a button script in a revlet?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mstuart at adaptcrm.com  Mon Aug 10 18:19:19 2009
From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:19:19 -0700
Subject: Revlet goURL
Message-ID: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A431@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>

Hi Jacqueline,
Sorry I'm not using revMedia as yet, but tried to assume that a straight
HTML tag might do the trick.

--
Mark

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems

From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 10 18:28:50 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:28:50 -0500
Subject: Revlet goURL
In-Reply-To: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A431@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A431@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
Message-ID: <4A809F22.5090502@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Stuart wrote:
> Hi Jacqueline,
> Sorry I'm not using revMedia as yet, but tried to assume that a straight
> HTML tag might do the trick.

It would in an iRev page, so you're right there, but it's the revlet I'm 
stuck on. :(

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Aug 10 18:34:17 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:34:17 -0700
Subject: printing reduced graphics
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908101534r5d40b8a0wbfa88f63df7e8d7a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Gang,
I've had this personal app in Rev that creates CD labels from Waveburner
rundown files. This was originally an HC stack but I converted to Runrev
years ago and made many improvements. One feature was to include image
controls on the card to print those images.   When I started using this app,
I used .pct images because they were uncompressed and would scale nicely and
print with more resolution when reduced.   Unfortunately, PICT files are now
not encouraged and are not cross platform. So I went to .png graphics, which
can do transparency, it seemed like a good fit and seemed to work as well in
earlier versions of Rev.
However, in the recent versions (3.0) they print terribly, are all fuzzy.
What happened? Is there some antialiasing that should be turned off or what?
My graphics look like dirt again. I looked at some earlier printings and
they looked great.

I'm using *print card*  using the dialogs. Hide a few control groups, 'take'
the print snapshot, restore the groups. It's a standalone on Mac OS 10.5.7

sqb

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


From wow at together.net  Mon Aug 10 18:39:52 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:39:52 -0400
Subject: Revlet goURL
In-Reply-To: <4A808EFB.4080503@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A808EFB.4080503@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A80A1B8.1020006@together.net>

Hi Jacqueline:

This works fine for me in a revlet:

revgourl "http://www.apple.com"

though it does open in a different tab in Firefox. Tested on XP.

Richard Miller




J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Has anyone succeeded in writing a revlet script that will take the 
> user to a different web page? The revGoURL command doesn't work. Is 
> there a different way?
>
> This may not be possible until Javascript integration happens, but 
> maybe someone has figured it out.
>



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Aug 10 18:40:39 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:40:39 -0700
Subject: Revlet goURL
In-Reply-To: <4A809F22.5090502@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <F717B2796E5D2F499032573DBC497FC101C7A431@asa-mail.adaptcrm.com>
	<4A809F22.5090502@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A80A1E7.7010203@pdslabs.net>

Hi Jacque,

The docs say revGoUrl is deprecated:
The revGoURL command is deprecated and should not be used in new code. 
To open a url from within a stack, use the launch url command instead.

Would the suggested alternative work?

Phil Davis



J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Mark Stuart wrote:
>> Hi Jacqueline,
>> Sorry I'm not using revMedia as yet, but tried to assume that a straight
>> HTML tag might do the trick.
>
> It would in an iRev page, so you're right there, but it's the revlet 
> I'm stuck on. :(
>

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 10 18:58:39 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:58:39 -0500
Subject: Revlet goURL
In-Reply-To: <4A80A1B8.1020006@together.net>
References: <4A808EFB.4080503@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A80A1B8.1020006@together.net>
Message-ID: <4A80A61F.6050201@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Miller wrote:
> This works fine for me in a revlet:
> 
> revgourl "http://www.apple.com"
> 
> though it does open in a different tab in Firefox. Tested on XP.

Aha! Got it, thanks. It does work, as long as you don't have the 
NoScript Firefox extension installed. NoScript apparently thinks it's a 
cross-scripting attempt and blocks it. When it isn't installed, revGoURL 
works. Thanks for making me test again.

Phil Davis wrote:
 > The docs say revGoUrl is deprecated:
 > The revGoURL command is deprecated and should not be used in new code.
 > To open a url from within a stack, use the launch url command instead.
 >
 > Would the suggested alternative work?

Yes, that works too.

The down side is that both methods open in a new tab. I'd rather it 
acted like a regular link.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 10 19:30:22 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:30:22 -0500
Subject: Revlet goURL
In-Reply-To: <4A80A61F.6050201@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A808EFB.4080503@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A80A1B8.1020006@together.net>
	<4A80A61F.6050201@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A80AD8E.8090408@hyperactivesw.com>

I wrote:

> The down side is that both methods open in a new tab. I'd rather it 
> acted like a regular link.
> 

Come to think of it, it's a browser preference that determines how the 
browser will respond when getting a request from another application. 
The default headers that Rev sends identify it as an external app.

Is there a header I can use that will make the browser think it's an 
internal link instead?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Aug 10 19:44:29 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:44:29 -0700
Subject: Revlet goURL
In-Reply-To: <4A80AD8E.8090408@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C6A5FEED.43981%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>> The down side is that both methods open in a new tab. I'd rather it
>> acted like a regular link.
>> 
> 
> Come to think of it, it's a browser preference that determines how the
> browser will respond when getting a request from another application.
> The default headers that Rev sends identify it as an external app.
> 
> Is there a header I can use that will make the browser think it's an
> internal link instead?

I was going to mention browser preferences as well, but also there is the
HTML target attribute: _self, _blank, _parent, _top.  If you're using an
anchor form of linking, then you might try "_self" or "_top":

<a href="http//www.runrev.html" target="_self">RunRev</a>

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Aug 10 19:46:19 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:46:19 -0700
Subject: printing reduced graphics
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70908101534r5d40b8a0wbfa88f63df7e8d7a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6A5FF5B.43981%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, stephen barncard wrote:

> I've had this personal app in Rev that creates CD labels from Waveburner
> rundown files. This was originally an HC stack but I converted to Runrev
> years ago and made many improvements. One feature was to include image
> controls on the card to print those images.   When I started using this app,
> I used .pct images because they were uncompressed and would scale nicely and
> print with more resolution when reduced.   Unfortunately, PICT files are now
> not encouraged and are not cross platform. So I went to .png graphics, which
> can do transparency, it seemed like a good fit and seemed to work as well in
> earlier versions of Rev.
> However, in the recent versions (3.0) they print terribly, are all fuzzy.
> What happened? Is there some antialiasing that should be turned off or what?
> My graphics look like dirt again. I looked at some earlier printings and
> they looked great.

If you're resizing the images, did you try setting the resizeQuality of the
images to "best"?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Aug 10 22:50:22 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:50:22 -0700
Subject: printing reduced graphics
In-Reply-To: <C6A5FF5B.43981%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <e5e009d70908101534r5d40b8a0wbfa88f63df7e8d7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6A5FF5B.43981%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908101950r79c231fbu9737e2960a07c13c@mail.gmail.com>

They are resized with a slider ... so I need to set the quality to best
every time I change the image size?
Is the default set to "bad" normally?

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/10 Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>

> Recently, stephen barncard wrote:
>
> > I've had this personal app in Rev that creates CD labels from Waveburner
> > rundown files. This was originally an HC stack but I converted to Runrev
> > years ago and made many improvements. One feature was to include image
> > controls on the card to print those images.   When I started using this
> app,
> > I used .pct images because they were uncompressed and would scale nicely
> and
> > print with more resolution when reduced.   Unfortunately, PICT files are
> now
> > not encouraged and are not cross platform. So I went to .png graphics,
> which
> > can do transparency, it seemed like a good fit and seemed to work as well
> in
> > earlier versions of Rev.
> > However, in the recent versions (3.0) they print terribly, are all fuzzy.
> > What happened? Is there some antialiasing that should be turned off or
> what?
> > My graphics look like dirt again. I looked at some earlier printings and
> > they looked great.
>
> If you're resizing the images, did you try setting the resizeQuality of the
> images to "best"?
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
>


From katir at hindu.org  Mon Aug 10 23:02:45 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:02:45 -1000
Subject: Edu Ware Revlets
In-Reply-To: <4A807AD6.3060205@ekoinf.net>
References: <4A7F8C25.5070500@hindu.org>	<14391DD8-06AD-4CE6-B934-A0D9BBD47697@luceatlux.com>
	<4A807AD6.3060205@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <4A80DF55.3040006@hindu.org>

viktoras d. wrote:
> Hi Sivakatirswami,
>
> here is one "half-backed" at http://ekoinf.net/imap/
>
> All the best!
> Viktoras
>

Ha! It may be half-baked, but if it is backed by Viktoras it is *fully* 
backed!
(smile)

thanks

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From katir at hindu.org  Mon Aug 10 23:41:27 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:41:27 -1000
Subject: Edu Ware Revlets
In-Reply-To: <4A807AD6.3060205@ekoinf.net>
References: <4A7F8C25.5070500@hindu.org>	<14391DD8-06AD-4CE6-B934-A0D9BBD47697@luceatlux.com>
	<4A807AD6.3060205@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <4A80E867.1020705@hindu.org>

viktoras d. wrote:
> Hi Sivakatirswami,
>
> here is one "half-backed" at http://ekoinf.net/imap/
>
> All the best!
> Viktoras 

download hung at 153.7 of 1448.1 kb  So, I never saw the end show.
Meanwhile a YouTube video I had running in another window was
downloading just fine. I'm not sure what the issues are there.

When I clicked refresh. download was set back to zero and nothing
happened at all (as if your server was none responsive)

I'll try again tomorrow.

Thanks
Sivakatirswami



From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 11 00:41:05 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:41:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [script optimization challenge] Multi dimensional array
 filtering
In-Reply-To: <A4D8BDF4-214E-4043-AE3A-24C92715EB13@qldlearning.com>
References: <62C949E7-D6F4-4E96-947B-3B5E2BFD3A27@derbrill.de>
	<DF8CACA6-107E-437C-839B-20ABD2281E7E@derbrill.de>
	<A4D8BDF4-214E-4043-AE3A-24C92715EB13@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <24911591.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Brian,

There is a page in Wikibooks about Algorithm Implementation for
Binary search:
http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Algorithm_implementation/Search/Binary_search

Would you like to add your example under a new revTalk section?

By the way, i find enlightening the facts exposed in the Wikipedia article
about "Binary Search":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_search_algorithm

"When Jon Bentley assigned it as a problem in a course for professional
programmers,
he found that an astounding ninety percent failed to code a binary search
correctly
after several hours of working on it[3], and another study shows that
accurate code
for it is only found in five out of twenty textbooks (Kruse, 1999).

Furthermore, Bentley's own implementation of binary search, published in his
1986 book
Programming Pearls, contains an error that remained undetected for over
twenty years.[4]"

Undetected for Twenty years! 
Scary to say the least... :-(

al 


Brian Yennie wrote:
> 
> Here is a quick example of what binary search can do. It's a bit of  
> work to maintain the sorted data, but the speed is impressive if you  
> have very large data.
> [snip]
> 

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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Aug 11 01:07:32 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:07:32 -0700
Subject: printing reduced graphics
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70908101950r79c231fbu9737e2960a07c13c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6A64AA4.43992%scott@tactilemedia.com>

No, you set the resizeQuality of the image (to best) once when the image is
imported or created to produce the best quality scaling results.

The default is "normal".  The tradeoff is faster scaling.  But if your goal
is good image quality, you could try setting the resizeQuality.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design



Recently, stephen barncard wrote:

> They are resized with a slider ... so I need to set the quality to best
> every time I change the image size?
> Is the default set to "bad" normally?
> 
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
> 
> 
> 2009/8/10 Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
> 
>> Recently, stephen barncard wrote:
>> 
>>> I've had this personal app in Rev that creates CD labels from Waveburner
>>> rundown files. This was originally an HC stack but I converted to Runrev
>>> years ago and made many improvements. One feature was to include image
>>> controls on the card to print those images.   When I started using this
>> app,
>>> I used .pct images because they were uncompressed and would scale nicely
>> and
>>> print with more resolution when reduced.   Unfortunately, PICT files are
>> now
>>> not encouraged and are not cross platform. So I went to .png graphics,
>> which
>>> can do transparency, it seemed like a good fit and seemed to work as well
>> in
>>> earlier versions of Rev.
>>> However, in the recent versions (3.0) they print terribly, are all fuzzy.
>>> What happened? Is there some antialiasing that should be turned off or
>> what?
>>> My graphics look like dirt again. I looked at some earlier printings and
>>> they looked great.
>> 
>> If you're resizing the images, did you try setting the resizeQuality of the
>> images to "best"?





From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Aug 11 03:19:22 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:19:22 +0200
Subject: Edu Ware Revlets
In-Reply-To: <20090811034136.251EF48ACD9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090811034136.251EF48ACD9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E550BB87-1C8E-42EC-AB71-247F71D88132@derbrill.de>

Sivakatirswami wrote,

>  When I clicked refresh. download was set back to zero and nothing  
> happened at all (as if your server was none responsive)

Did you happen to have had another revLet open in the same browser  
session? I do see revlets hang on load sometimes and I would be  
interested if others had too. A Browser restart (and killing  
eventually remaining stray processes) does fix the problem, but for  
sure I have seen loading just halt. I am not too scared about that,  
given that the plugin still is pre release Software though, but maybe  
it is worth to mention, because maybe it has to do with some system  
setup.

@Viktora:. Impressive stack. Very nice. It took quite a while to load,  
but the result is awesome.
All the best,

Malte

From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue Aug 11 04:01:00 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:01:00 +0300
Subject: Edu Ware Revlets
In-Reply-To: <E550BB87-1C8E-42EC-AB71-247F71D88132@derbrill.de>
References: <20090811034136.251EF48ACD9@mail.runrev.com>
	<E550BB87-1C8E-42EC-AB71-247F71D88132@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <4A81253C.3060208@ekoinf.net>

Hi Sivakatirswami, thanks Malte!

I told its half-baked :-). Here it loads on 3 out of 4 computers, so 
something is going wrong in certain cases. Maybe, as Malte pointed out, 
system setup or stray processes are to blame. Occasionally I notice some 
strange interaction with flash - complex flash animations become jagged 
when revolution is loaded. But as revlet technology is in its 
pre-release stage, I too feel very optimistic about its future.

Best,
Viktoras

Malte Brill wrote:
> Sivakatirswami wrote,
>
>>  When I clicked refresh. download was set back to zero and nothing 
>> happened at all (as if your server was none responsive)
>
> Did you happen to have had another revLet open in the same browser 
> session? I do see revlets hang on load sometimes and I would be 
> interested if others had too. A Browser restart (and killing 
> eventually remaining stray processes) does fix the problem, but for 
> sure I have seen loading just halt. I am not too scared about that, 
> given that the plugin still is pre release Software though, but maybe 
> it is worth to mention, because maybe it has to do with some system 
> setup.
>
> @Viktora:. Impressive stack. Very nice. It took quite a while to load, 
> but the result is awesome.
> All the best,
>
> Malte
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From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Aug 11 08:51:39 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 08:51:39 -0400
Subject: wake from sleep
Message-ID: <743DA1FB-3610-4E9F-8401-2B2F437FE6DE@mac.com>

Is there a simple way to tell via a script when the system wakes from  
sleep or when it wakes from screensaver?

I have (on Mac) my screensaver set to require password on wake and  
would like my stack to do something when it wakes.

I tried a small applescript in the loginItems in Preferences but that  
is only on login and not when it wakes from sleep/screensaver.

Maybe a shell command????


Thanks


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html








From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Aug 11 10:25:08 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:25:08 +0100
Subject: wake from sleep
In-Reply-To: <743DA1FB-3610-4E9F-8401-2B2F437FE6DE@mac.com>
References: <743DA1FB-3610-4E9F-8401-2B2F437FE6DE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908110725s3d7e52b6xa540b3482f9a4bb8@mail.gmail.com>

Thomas,

I had to much coffee so the solution I thought is the most weird one you'll
ever see.

Create a simple image on your stack, then do something like:

   export snapshot from rect (the rect of img 1) to file
"~/Desktop/teste.jpg" as JPEG

wherever you want to check if the screensaver is running. You can also use
import snapshot which is better, or put the file in a better place. The
thing is, if you check the pixels in the imported image, they won't match if
the screensaver is running (or if another window is on top).

So, you can create this image on a offscreen coordinate in a temporary stack
that floats on top of everything, this way it will never ovelap. Then you
import and check the pixels. If they don't match something like a
screensaver is running filling all screen. If they do match then you're on
"interaction" mode....

should not drink much coffee.

andre



On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Thomas McGrath III <mcgrath3 at mac.com>wrote:

> Is there a simple way to tell via a script when the system wakes from sleep
> or when it wakes from screensaver?
>
> I have (on Mac) my screensaver set to require password on wake and would
> like my stack to do something when it wakes.
>
> I tried a small applescript in the loginItems in Preferences but that is
> only on login and not when it wakes from sleep/screensaver.
>
> Maybe a shell command????
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> 3mcgrath at comcast.net
>
> iTunes Library Suite - libITS
> Information and download can be found on this page:
> http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From joef1 at mac.com  Tue Aug 11 11:07:06 2009
From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:07:06 -0400
Subject: Startup question
In-Reply-To: <D0CF49C9-6514-4EB6-B21C-0DDE64DC7920@cox.net>
References: <73203078-C40A-413F-908D-BE896883D0C9@cox.net>
	<B1E30DEE-0119-4C89-9F35-8F454D320A0E@cox.net>
	<543C57AB-2C09-4C62-A6D6-96B4E2184573@rcn.com>
	<DD2C49EB-A5B2-4AFE-8FEA-B9BB5170983A@cox.net>
	<20C6DB9D-8065-454D-B608-590DAE23EA73@rcn.com>
	<D0CF49C9-6514-4EB6-B21C-0DDE64DC7920@cox.net>
Message-ID: <0718922E-8FA3-48A8-98C5-B0520E774140@mac.com>

The easy way to do this in Leopard is just drag any item to the Dock,  
right click on it and choose "Open at Login..." from the popup.

To make it open in a specific (non default) application: select the  
file in a window or on the desktop; press command-I or right-click>"  
Get Info". Set "Open with" to whatever you like. You can also choose a  
new default app to open all documents of that file type there.

Joe F.

On Aug 10, 2009, at 2:05 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Colin, we thank you.
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On Aug 10, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Colin Holgate wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 10, 2009, at 1:51 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>>
>>> However, this still doesn't allow me to stipulate a "document" as  
>>> in the past; just the application. Bummer.
>>
>> Thats not true. Click the +, add in a document, and away you go.
>>
>> Now, having it open a document using an application that is not the  
>> normal application for that document type, can't be expressed in  
>> one line, but you could add in an AppleScript standalone instead,  
>> and that could do whatever you want it to do.
>
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From joef1 at mac.com  Tue Aug 11 11:29:54 2009
From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:29:54 -0400
Subject: Mac to Windows Standalone Question
Message-ID: <35D247B4-E865-4D05-BC9E-982547E77428@mac.com>

The other day I spent a considerable amount of time troubleshooting a  
popup menu that worked fine everywhere except for the Windows  
standalone version. Fortunately someone discovered the answer 7 years  
ago and posted to the list, otherwise I'd have never figured out that  
the "not-equal" character is a Windows no-no.

So, my question is: are these idiosyncrasies listed anywhere? Is there  
a respiratory of "gotchas" around?
I'm disappointed that Rev doesn't convert these automatically? What's  
the next surprise that's going to eat up my precious hours?

Joe F.


From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Tue Aug 11 15:04:41 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 12:04:41 -0700
Subject: Mac to Windows Standalone Question
In-Reply-To: <35D247B4-E865-4D05-BC9E-982547E77428@mac.com>
References: <35D247B4-E865-4D05-BC9E-982547E77428@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9D8D256F-1CB2-48F5-A322-4426A5807834@LinkIt.Com>

Regarding you last question, I posted a similar Windows no-no  
yesterday after making a discovery using option style buttons:  The  
list of choices when clicking an Option style button on a Mac is  
automatically widened so none are cut off, width-wise.  On Windows the  
choices get cut off if the button's width is narrower than the width  
needed to display the list of choices.  Nobody's answered this one  
yet, but in the meantime you might look out for it if you're using  
this style of button.

Hope this helps,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

On Aug 11, 2009, at 8:29 AM, Joe F. wrote:

> The other day I spent a considerable amount of time troubleshooting  
> a popup menu that worked fine everywhere except for the Windows  
> standalone version. Fortunately someone discovered the answer 7  
> years ago and posted to the list, otherwise I'd have never figured  
> out that the "not-equal" character is a Windows no-no.
>
> So, my question is: are these idiosyncrasies listed anywhere? Is  
> there a respiratory of "gotchas" around?
> I'm disappointed that Rev doesn't convert these automatically?  
> What's the next surprise that's going to eat up my precious hours?
>
> Joe F.
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From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Tue Aug 11 13:58:17 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:58:17 -0700
Subject: cookbook for putting Rev app on the web?
Message-ID: <4A81B139.5030109@castandcrew.com>

Whoo-hoo!

1) Sarah, you are the best.  Sorry for the slow reply, I just got a 
chance to try it.  So easy!  Perfect instructions.  Big smiles.

2) IT WORKED!  Effortlessly.  Just as expected.  Wow, wow, wow.  Rev has 
arrived.  This is what many have been asking for years.  Congratulations 
to the Runrev team.  Absolutely awesome. 

disclaimer, I tried only a simple app so I haven't run into the boundary 
limitations yet of what it will do, but gosh, I am so impressed.  I feel 
like a bird let out of the cage.  grin.

-- Sadhu


From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Tue Aug 11 14:21:11 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:21:11 -0700
Subject: cookbook for putting Rev app on the web?
In-Reply-To: <4A81B139.5030109@castandcrew.com>
References: <4A81B139.5030109@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <4A81B697.2080502@castandcrew.com>

Ah, well, perhaps I spoke slightly too soon, a tad more research to do.  
I should add, it worked flawlessly in test mode, when the html page and 
the revlet was on my PC.  When I put this stuff on an actual web server, 
it hangs at "Loading revWeb Content".  I put both files in the same 
directory on the Linux server, same as they were on the PC, and I 
checked that there is world read and/or execute permissions, and I tried 
changing the extension to cgi in case there is some Apache restriction 
against running executable files with a "revlet" extension  ... so I 
guess I better dig for more doco to see what I have missed.

Anyway, Sarah, I so appreciate your response.  And everything about 
Rev.  Thanks again.

Sadhu Nadesan wrote:
> Whoo-hoo!
>
> 1) Sarah, you are the best.  Sorry for the slow reply, I just got a 
> chance to try it.  So easy!  Perfect instructions.  Big smiles.
>
> 2) IT WORKED!  Effortlessly.  Just as expected.  Wow, wow, wow.  Rev 
> has arrived.  This is what many have been asking for years.  
> Congratulations to the Runrev team.  Absolutely awesome.
> disclaimer, I tried only a simple app so I haven't run into the 
> boundary limitations yet of what it will do, but gosh, I am so 
> impressed.  I feel like a bird let out of the cage.  grin.
>
> -- Sadhu


From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Tue Aug 11 14:46:20 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:46:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: wake from sleep
In-Reply-To: <743DA1FB-3610-4E9F-8401-2B2F437FE6DE@mac.com>
References: <743DA1FB-3610-4E9F-8401-2B2F437FE6DE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <24923490.post@talk.nabble.com>


Tom,
I dont know about shell but I found a way to query whether the screensaver
is on or not. You would have to query the screensaver repeatedly with a
script though.
I found the basics on macscripter.net
to try it out:
--------------
delay 4 -- to let the screensaver start
tell application "System Events" to set v_proclist to name of every process
set myScreen to false
repeat with aProcess in v_proclist
	if (aProcess is in {"ScreenSaverEngine"}) then
		set myScreen to true
		say "yes, screen saver is on"
	end if
end repeat
if not myScreen then say "no screesaver is running"
-----------------

to make a script you query in a send in time fashion every second or so
-------------------
tell application "System Events" to set v_proclist to name of every process
set myScreen to false
repeat with aProcess in v_proclist
	if (aProcess is in {"ScreenSaverEngine"}) then
		set myScreen to true
		return myScreen
	end if
end repeat
return myScreen
------------------

regards

Bernd


Thomas McGrath III-3 wrote:
> 
> Is there a simple way to tell via a script when the system wakes from  
> sleep or when it wakes from screensaver?
> 
> I have (on Mac) my screensaver set to require password on wake and  
> would like my stack to do something when it wakes.
> 
> I tried a small applescript in the loginItems in Preferences but that  
> is only on login and not when it wakes from sleep/screensaver.
> 
> Maybe a shell command????
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Tom McGrath III
> 

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From ray at linkit.com  Tue Aug 11 17:48:03 2009
From: ray at linkit.com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:48:03 -0700
Subject: Cross Platform Fonts
Message-ID: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>

Another basic question:  What fonts are good for deploying stacks  
cross platform?  That is, fonts which will mostly likely NOT start  
unexpected word wraps on Windows when there was no word wrapping on Mac.

Thanks,

Ray Horsley



From h at FlexibleLearning.com  Tue Aug 11 14:59:12 2009
From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 19:59:12 +0100
Subject: ID number limit query
In-Reply-To: <20090811170004.8DA9E48A979@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONIELMCEAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>

Does anyone know what the maximum ID number is, and more importantly whether
the ID numbers cycle back to 1003 when the limit is reached?

/H



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Aug 11 15:12:18 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:12:18 +0200
Subject: Cross Platform Fonts
In-Reply-To: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>
References: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>
Message-ID: <0ED06DEC-889A-4D75-BB92-96C297B3ADAD@economy-x-talk.com>

Ray,

You really should make your software such that it takes word wrapping  
into account. You want to use similar fonts for visual consistency  
across platforms, not to make sure that the last word of the second  
sentence is always on the third line of a field. If you need to be  
sure that the operating system doesn't slightly change the position of  
your text, then turn your text into a picture.

A font created particularly with cross-platform compatibility in mind  
is the Bitstream Vera font set, which you can download here <http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ 
 >. One of the great things about this font is that the license allows  
you to include the font with commercial software for distribution.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 11 aug 2009, at 23:48, Ray Horsley wrote:

> Another basic question:  What fonts are good for deploying stacks  
> cross platform?  That is, fonts which will mostly likely NOT start  
> unexpected word wraps on Windows when there was no word wrapping on  
> Mac.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Horsley



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Aug 11 16:14:30 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 13:14:30 -0700
Subject: Cross Platform Fonts
In-Reply-To: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>
References: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>
Message-ID: <4A81D126.5060109@pdslabs.net>

Two words, Ray: White Space!

Well-placed white space can improve the user's grasp of on-screen 
information while also letting your fields to be bigger than they might 
otherwise need to be, to allow for slight metric differences between 
similar fonts (or the same font on different platforms).

Other issues can also come into play, like the slightly different origin 
points of text in a field (distance from topLeft of field to baseline of 
first char of text) on different platforms.

If you need absolute consistency or control, it's really not cheating if 
you decide to use screenshots of text for your labeling of things. I've 
built entire applications on that premise.

My apologies for not exactly answering your question, but maybe this 
will help.

Phil Davis


Ray Horsley wrote:
> Another basic question:  What fonts are good for deploying stacks 
> cross platform?  That is, fonts which will mostly likely NOT start 
> unexpected word wraps on Windows when there was no word wrapping on Mac.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray Horsley 

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Tue Aug 11 19:17:28 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:17:28 -0700
Subject: Cross Platform Fonts
In-Reply-To: <0ED06DEC-889A-4D75-BB92-96C297B3ADAD@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>
	<0ED06DEC-889A-4D75-BB92-96C297B3ADAD@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <D2A9AEF6-D3CB-4F61-A726-A296519A7AB2@LinkIt.Com>

Mark,

Many thanks!  The snapshot is an excellent idea which I've used for  
various projects.  Unfortunately, it's not an option here since the  
end result is printing (and pictures of text can get pretty gritty  
when printed).  I'm checking out BitStream now.

Thanks again,

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

On Aug 11, 2009, at 12:12 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Ray,
>
> You really should make your software such that it takes word  
> wrapping into account. You want to use similar fonts for visual  
> consistency across platforms, not to make sure that the last word of  
> the second sentence is always on the third line of a field. If you  
> need to be sure that the operating system doesn't slightly change  
> the position of your text, then turn your text into a picture.
>
> A font created particularly with cross-platform compatibility in  
> mind is the Bitstream Vera font set, which you can download here <http://www.gnome.org/fonts/ 
> >. One of the great things about this font is that the license  
> allows you to include the font with commercial software for  
> distribution.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
> On 11 aug 2009, at 23:48, Ray Horsley wrote:
>
>> Another basic question:  What fonts are good for deploying stacks  
>> cross platform?  That is, fonts which will mostly likely NOT start  
>> unexpected word wraps on Windows when there was no word wrapping on  
>> Mac.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Horsley
>
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From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Tue Aug 11 19:30:23 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:30:23 -0700
Subject: Cross Platform Fonts
In-Reply-To: <4A81D126.5060109@pdslabs.net>
References: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>
	<4A81D126.5060109@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <ADD447F4-BF45-4634-8FD7-F785591DDEB0@LinkIt.Com>

Phil,

Thanks for these ideas.  I'm assuming by 'white space' you mean simply  
making fields larger (to one degree or another) than their  
formattedHeight and formattedWidth.

Phil, if you're still following this, where do I locate additional  
fonts such as the Bit Stream Vera fonts you suggested so they're  
available inside my stand alone?

Thanks,

Ray


On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Two words, Ray: White Space!
>
> Well-placed white space can improve the user's grasp of on-screen  
> information while also letting your fields to be bigger than they  
> might otherwise need to be, to allow for slight metric differences  
> between similar fonts (or the same font on different platforms).
>
> Other issues can also come into play, like the slightly different  
> origin points of text in a field (distance from topLeft of field to  
> baseline of first char of text) on different platforms.
>
> If you need absolute consistency or control, it's really not  
> cheating if you decide to use screenshots of text for your labeling  
> of things. I've built entire applications on that premise.
>
> My apologies for not exactly answering your question, but maybe this  
> will help.
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> Ray Horsley wrote:
>> Another basic question:  What fonts are good for deploying stacks  
>> cross platform?  That is, fonts which will mostly likely NOT start  
>> unexpected word wraps on Windows when there was no word wrapping on  
>> Mac.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray Horsley
>
> -- 
> Phil Davis
>
> PDS Labs
> Professional Software Development
> http://pdslabs.net
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug 11 16:34:56 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:34:56 -0500
Subject: cookbook for putting Rev app on the web?
In-Reply-To: <4A81B697.2080502@castandcrew.com>
References: <4A81B139.5030109@castandcrew.com>
	<4A81B697.2080502@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <4A81D5F0.9010902@hyperactivesw.com>

Sadhu Nadesan wrote:
> Ah, well, perhaps I spoke slightly too soon, a tad more research to do.  
> I should add, it worked flawlessly in test mode, when the html page and 
> the revlet was on my PC.  When I put this stuff on an actual web server, 
> it hangs at "Loading revWeb Content".  I put both files in the same 
> directory on the Linux server, same as they were on the PC, and I 
> checked that there is world read and/or execute permissions, and I tried 
> changing the extension to cgi in case there is some Apache restriction 
> against running executable files with a "revlet" extension  ... so I 
> guess I better dig for more doco to see what I have missed.

There are a few glitches in this alpha version, but it will work. I 
don't think it is your server settings, and you probaby shouldn't change 
the default extension. There are a couple of things that will cause a 
hang at the "loading" screen. One is having extra copies of revWebPlayer 
running and the other is trying to load the plugin in more than one 
browser at a time. I have, however, been able to run multiple copies of 
the plugin in different tabs in the same browser simultaneously.

To fix everything all in one go, quit all browsers that are open and 
check the task manager (or Activity Monitor on Macs) for instances of 
revWebPlayer. Terminate any that are still running. The launch a web 
browser and reload the page. That usually clears it up for me.

I get this behavior when I'm testing in both Safari and Firefox on my 
Mac, and I forget to leave the page in one while trying to start it in 
the other. You don't really need to quit the extra browser, just moving 
to a non-plugin page will work, but if all else fails, just quit and 
restart for now.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Tue Aug 11 17:00:04 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:00:04 +0200
Subject: Script to a php file
Message-ID: <8B547032-1C91-4ADD-BD23-849DA632FD4F@skynet.be>

Hi list

I have a very easy php file

<?php
$myTx = file_get_contents('http://www.monDomaine.com/file.txt"
echo $myTx;
?>


i want to get the variable  $myTx in a revlet

How can i proceed ?

thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Aug 11 17:00:38 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:00:38 -0500
Subject: Releasing Memory and Virtual Memory
Message-ID: <4A81DBF6.1030702@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Is there any way to force Revolution to "let go" or "release" excessive
amounts of memory?


I've got a project that scans through a folder of images, imports the
image into an image object (via put url "binfile:"), exports it as a
JPEG, then puts "empty" into the image object (to free it up).

The problem is that after 100 or so images, the amount of memory that
Revolution is using is over 1.5 GB's of Real RAM and 3 GB's of Virtual
RAM.  This, of course, slows down all of my other applications until I
close Revolution.

Meanwhile, in the same project, I can do the same thing manually with
just 1 image, and the memory goes back down.  I import the image into an
image object, export it, and put "empty" into the object.  When I do so,
the Activity Monitor shows a 10 MB drop in RAM usage.

Any help is greatly appreciated!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Aug 11 17:07:03 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:07:03 +0200
Subject: Script to a php file
In-Reply-To: <8B547032-1C91-4ADD-BD23-849DA632FD4F@skynet.be>
References: <8B547032-1C91-4ADD-BD23-849DA632FD4F@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <BB52081A-F333-46C8-9064-DB08B02DC862@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Yves,

Have a look at the default html file for revlets, particularly the  
additional parameters inside the embed tag.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 11 aug 2009, at 23:00, Yves COPPE wrote:

> Hi list
>
> I have a very easy php file
>
> <?php
> $myTx = file_get_contents('http://www.monDomaine.com/file.txt"
> echo $myTx;
> ?>
>
>
> i want to get the variable  $myTx in a revlet
>
> How can i proceed ?
>
> thanks.
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Tue Aug 11 17:11:44 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:11:44 +0200
Subject: Script to a php file
In-Reply-To: <BB52081A-F333-46C8-9064-DB08B02DC862@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <8B547032-1C91-4ADD-BD23-849DA632FD4F@skynet.be>
	<BB52081A-F333-46C8-9064-DB08B02DC862@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <D95AA839-71C9-4382-B2CF-402D14FB8AF4@skynet.be>


Le 11-ao?t-09 ? 23:07, Mark Schonewille a ?crit :

> Hi Yves,
>
> Have a look at the default html file for revlets, particularly the  
> additional parameters inside the embed tag.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
>


Hi Mark,

yes, I will have a look and see already a solution !


Thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Aug 11 17:25:07 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:25:07 -0700
Subject: Releasing Memory and Virtual Memory
In-Reply-To: <4A81DBF6.1030702@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C6A72FC3.439CE%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Derek Bump wrote:

> Is there any way to force Revolution to "let go" or "release" excessive
> amounts of memory?
> 
> 
> I've got a project that scans through a folder of images, imports the
> image into an image object (via put url "binfile:"), exports it as a
> JPEG, then puts "empty" into the image object (to free it up).
> 
> The problem is that after 100 or so images, the amount of memory that
> Revolution is using is over 1.5 GB's of Real RAM and 3 GB's of Virtual
> RAM.  This, of course, slows down all of my other applications until I
> close Revolution.
> 
> Meanwhile, in the same project, I can do the same thing manually with
> just 1 image, and the memory goes back down.  I import the image into an
> image object, export it, and put "empty" into the object.  When I do so,
> the Activity Monitor shows a 10 MB drop in RAM usage.


Three things I would try:

- try setting the filename of the target image, as opposed to using "put
url"

- save the stack each time after exporting 10 to 20 images or so

- if saving every so often doesn't do anything, try deleting the image
object, and creating a brand new one, and saving, as opposed to putting
empty into the existing image

Hope one of these helps.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Aug 11 17:35:40 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:35:40 -0700
Subject: Cross Platform Fonts
In-Reply-To: <ADD447F4-BF45-4634-8FD7-F785591DDEB0@LinkIt.Com>
References: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>	<4A81D126.5060109@pdslabs.net>
	<ADD447F4-BF45-4634-8FD7-F785591DDEB0@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <4A81E42C.9070600@pdslabs.net>

That was Mark Schonewille who suggested Bit Stream Vera. Mark?
Phil


Ray Horsley wrote:
> Phil,
>
> Thanks for these ideas.  I'm assuming by 'white space' you mean simply 
> making fields larger (to one degree or another) than their 
> formattedHeight and formattedWidth.
>
> Phil, if you're still following this, where do I locate additional 
> fonts such as the Bit Stream Vera fonts you suggested so they're 
> available inside my stand alone?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ray
>
>
> On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>
>> Two words, Ray: White Space!
>>
>> Well-placed white space can improve the user's grasp of on-screen 
>> information while also letting your fields to be bigger than they 
>> might otherwise need to be, to allow for slight metric differences 
>> between similar fonts (or the same font on different platforms).
>>
>> Other issues can also come into play, like the slightly different 
>> origin points of text in a field (distance from topLeft of field to 
>> baseline of first char of text) on different platforms.
>>
>> If you need absolute consistency or control, it's really not cheating 
>> if you decide to use screenshots of text for your labeling of things. 
>> I've built entire applications on that premise.
>>
>> My apologies for not exactly answering your question, but maybe this 
>> will help.
>>
>> Phil Davis
>>
>>
>> Ray Horsley wrote:
>>> Another basic question:  What fonts are good for deploying stacks 
>>> cross platform?  That is, fonts which will mostly likely NOT start 
>>> unexpected word wraps on Windows when there was no word wrapping on 
>>> Mac.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ray Horsley

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue Aug 11 17:43:48 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:43:48 -0700
Subject: Cross Platform Fonts
In-Reply-To: <4A81E42C.9070600@pdslabs.net>
References: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>	<4A81D126.5060109@pdslabs.net>
	<ADD447F4-BF45-4634-8FD7-F785591DDEB0@LinkIt.Com>
	<4A81E42C.9070600@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <3A1B7B68-4675-4472-8D63-B91FD8F52530@qldlearning.com>

Apologies if this has been covered before. Would one option be using  
image labels created at a higher resolution than export snapshot  
(which will get you screen resolution -- 72 DPI)?

For example, create your label in Photoshop (or any other tool of your  
choice) at 300 DPI. Then use that image as a label. When it prints,  
Rev should pick up the high res pixels.and print your label at 300 DPI  
which will look much better than 72.

Or is Rev not "smart" enough to print high res images? (Sorry, I  
hardly ever print from Rev)

File size would of course be larger, but for (grayscale?) small images  
shouldn't be much of an issue.

> That was Mark Schonewille who suggested Bit Stream Vera. Mark?
> Phil
>
>
> Ray Horsley wrote:
>> Phil,
>>
>> Thanks for these ideas.  I'm assuming by 'white space' you mean  
>> simply making fields larger (to one degree or another) than their  
>> formattedHeight and formattedWidth.
>>
>> Phil, if you're still following this, where do I locate additional  
>> fonts such as the Bit Stream Vera fonts you suggested so they're  
>> available inside my stand alone?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2009, at 1:14 PM, Phil Davis wrote:
>>
>>> Two words, Ray: White Space!
>>>
>>> Well-placed white space can improve the user's grasp of on-screen  
>>> information while also letting your fields to be bigger than they  
>>> might otherwise need to be, to allow for slight metric differences  
>>> between similar fonts (or the same font on different platforms).
>>>
>>> Other issues can also come into play, like the slightly different  
>>> origin points of text in a field (distance from topLeft of field  
>>> to baseline of first char of text) on different platforms.
>>>
>>> If you need absolute consistency or control, it's really not  
>>> cheating if you decide to use screenshots of text for your  
>>> labeling of things. I've built entire applications on that premise.
>>>
>>> My apologies for not exactly answering your question, but maybe  
>>> this will help.
>>>
>>> Phil Davis
>>>
>>>
>>> Ray Horsley wrote:
>>>> Another basic question:  What fonts are good for deploying stacks  
>>>> cross platform?  That is, fonts which will mostly likely NOT  
>>>> start unexpected word wraps on Windows when there was no word  
>>>> wrapping on Mac.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Ray Horsley


From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Tue Aug 11 17:55:32 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:55:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Releasing Memory and Virtual Memory
In-Reply-To: <4A81DBF6.1030702@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A81DBF6.1030702@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <24926477.post@talk.nabble.com>


Derek,

do you import the 100 or so images in a repeat loop?
If so try whether adding a wait 2 milliseconds in the repeat loop helps.
Or alternatively try to do it in a "send" structure. In my experience Rev
has problems releasing memory in a repeat loop. When I changed to a "send to
me in 2 milliseconds" no more problem with memory build-up.
regards
Bernd


Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
> 
> Is there any way to force Revolution to "let go" or "release" excessive
> amounts of memory?
> 
> I've got a project that scans through a folder of images, imports the
> image into an image object (via put url "binfile:"), exports it as a
> JPEG, then puts "empty" into the image object (to free it up).
> 
> The problem is that after 100 or so images, the amount of memory that
> Revolution is using is over 1.5 GB's of Real RAM and 3 GB's of Virtual
> RAM.  This, of course, slows down all of my other applications until I
> close Revolution.
> 
> Meanwhile, in the same project, I can do the same thing manually with
> just 1 image, and the memory goes back down.  I import the image into an
> image object, export it, and put "empty" into the object.  When I do so,
> the Activity Monitor shows a 10 MB drop in RAM usage.
> 
> Any help is greatly appreciated!
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> 

-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Releasing-Memory-and-Virtual-Memory-tp24925676p24926477.html
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Aug 11 18:04:08 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:04:08 EDT
Subject: Mac to Windows Standalone Question
Message-ID: <c0c.650011f6.37b344d8@aol.com>

This came up last year. The dictionary lists these caveats in the user 
section.

Look up "<=" as an example.

Craig Newman


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Aug 11 18:21:17 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:21:17 -0700
Subject: Releasing Memory and Virtual Memory
In-Reply-To: <24926477.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4A81DBF6.1030702@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<24926477.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A81EEDD.8040402@pdslabs.net>

In ancient times I used the hasMemory() function to force garbage 
collection and free up memory. But maybe it only worked that way in 
SuperCard... can anyone comment on its effectiveness in Revolution?

Phil Davis


BNig wrote:
> Derek,
>
> do you import the 100 or so images in a repeat loop?
> If so try whether adding a wait 2 milliseconds in the repeat loop helps.
> Or alternatively try to do it in a "send" structure. In my experience Rev
> has problems releasing memory in a repeat loop. When I changed to a "send to
> me in 2 milliseconds" no more problem with memory build-up.
> regards
> Bernd
>
>
> Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
>   
>> Is there any way to force Revolution to "let go" or "release" excessive
>> amounts of memory?
>>
>> I've got a project that scans through a folder of images, imports the
>> image into an image object (via put url "binfile:"), exports it as a
>> JPEG, then puts "empty" into the image object (to free it up).
>>
>> The problem is that after 100 or so images, the amount of memory that
>> Revolution is using is over 1.5 GB's of Real RAM and 3 GB's of Virtual
>> RAM.  This, of course, slows down all of my other applications until I
>> close Revolution.
>>
>> Meanwhile, in the same project, I can do the same thing manually with
>> just 1 image, and the memory goes back down.  I import the image into an
>> image object, export it, and put "empty" into the object.  When I do so,
>> the Activity Monitor shows a 10 MB drop in RAM usage.
>>
>> Any help is greatly appreciated!
>>
>>
>> Derek Bump
>>
>>     
>
>   

-- 
Phil Davis

PDS Labs
Professional Software Development
http://pdslabs.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug 11 18:26:56 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:26:56 -0500
Subject: Releasing Memory and Virtual Memory
In-Reply-To: <24926477.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4A81DBF6.1030702@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<24926477.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A81F030.6040703@hyperactivesw.com>

BNig wrote:
> Derek,
> 
> do you import the 100 or so images in a repeat loop?
> If so try whether adding a wait 2 milliseconds in the repeat loop helps.
> Or alternatively try to do it in a "send" structure. In my experience Rev
> has problems releasing memory in a repeat loop. When I changed to a "send to
> me in 2 milliseconds" no more problem with memory build-up.

I agree, and I'm pretty sure this must be what's wrong. Rev doesn't do 
any garbage collection until a handler ends. The most reliable way is 
the "send in <time>" structure.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug 11 18:37:39 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:37:39 -0500
Subject: Revlet goURL
In-Reply-To: <C6A5FEED.43981%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C6A5FEED.43981%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A81F2B3.1030600@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>>> The down side is that both methods open in a new tab. I'd rather it
>>> acted like a regular link.
>>>
>> Come to think of it, it's a browser preference that determines how the
>> browser will respond when getting a request from another application.
>> The default headers that Rev sends identify it as an external app.
>>
>> Is there a header I can use that will make the browser think it's an
>> internal link instead?
> 
> I was going to mention browser preferences as well, but also there is the
> HTML target attribute: _self, _blank, _parent, _top.  If you're using an
> anchor form of linking, then you might try "_self" or "_top":
> 
> <a href="http//www.runrev.html" target="_self">RunRev</a>

That'll work as part of the HTML in an iRev page. I just found out from 
Those Who Know that there isn't currently a way to link to a different 
web page from a Revlet yet without it opening a new tab or window. It 
will probably be implemented later, but it isn't in the current alpha.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Tue Aug 11 18:54:33 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:54:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: wake from sleep
In-Reply-To: <24923490.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <743DA1FB-3610-4E9F-8401-2B2F437FE6DE@mac.com>
	<24923490.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <24927194.post@talk.nabble.com>


Tom,
even shorter would be:
-------------------------
tell application "System Events" to return ("ScreenSaverEngine" is in (name
of every process))
-------------------------
returns true or false

regards
Bernd


BNig wrote:
> 
> Tom,
> I dont know about shell but I found a way to query whether the screensaver
> is on or not. You would have to query the screensaver repeatedly with a
> script though.
> I found the basics on macscripter.net
> to try it out:
> --------------
> delay 4 -- to let the screensaver start
> tell application "System Events" to set v_proclist to name of every
> process
> set myScreen to false
> repeat with aProcess in v_proclist
> 	if (aProcess is in {"ScreenSaverEngine"}) then
> 		set myScreen to true
> 		say "yes, screen saver is on"
> 	end if
> end repeat
> if not myScreen then say "no screesaver is running"
> -----------------
> 

-- 
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 19:35:00 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:35:00 +1000
Subject: Cross Platform Fonts
In-Reply-To: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>
References: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908111635o2d7d9d29x9cedc9bd041abf6@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Ray Horsley<ray at linkit.com> wrote:
> Another basic question: ?What fonts are good for deploying stacks cross
> platform? ?That is, fonts which will mostly likely NOT start unexpected word
> wraps on Windows when there was no word wrapping on Mac.


Here are the cross-platform fonts I tend to use:

Arial
Courier, Courier New
Times New Roman
Verdana

These give you serif, sans-serif & mono-spaced. I am sure there are
more, but I can't think of them off the top of my head.
However the advice the others are giving is still very important even
when using cross-platform fonts, as they do display at different sizes
on the different systems.

Cheers,
Sarah


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Aug 11 21:35:57 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 20:35:57 -0500
Subject: Releasing Memory and Virtual Memory
In-Reply-To: <C6A72FC3.439CE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C6A72FC3.439CE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A821C7D.6050005@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Well, I tried everyone's suggestions except 1, the use of "send in x
seconds" method.  All of the other suggestions resulted in no
improvement in RAM usage... which sucks because they were all pretty
easy to implement.

So with a big thank you to all who chimed in, and my fingers crossed,
I'm going to rewrite the script to incorporate the suggested message
sending.  Hopefully that will provide the solution I'm looking for.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Scott Rossi wrote:
> Recently, Derek Bump wrote:
> 
>> Is there any way to force Revolution to "let go" or "release" excessive
>> amounts of memory?
>>
>>
>> I've got a project that scans through a folder of images, imports the
>> image into an image object (via put url "binfile:"), exports it as a
>> JPEG, then puts "empty" into the image object (to free it up).
>>
>> The problem is that after 100 or so images, the amount of memory that
>> Revolution is using is over 1.5 GB's of Real RAM and 3 GB's of Virtual
>> RAM.  This, of course, slows down all of my other applications until I
>> close Revolution.
>>
>> Meanwhile, in the same project, I can do the same thing manually with
>> just 1 image, and the memory goes back down.  I import the image into an
>> image object, export it, and put "empty" into the object.  When I do so,
>> the Activity Monitor shows a 10 MB drop in RAM usage.
> 
> 
> Three things I would try:
> 
> - try setting the filename of the target image, as opposed to using "put
> url"
> 
> - save the stack each time after exporting 10 to 20 images or so
> 
> - if saving every so often doesn't do anything, try deleting the image
> object, and creating a brand new one, and saving, as opposed to putting
> empty into the existing image
> 
> Hope one of these helps.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Tue Aug 11 21:40:57 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:40:57 -0400
Subject: wake from sleep
In-Reply-To: <24927194.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <743DA1FB-3610-4E9F-8401-2B2F437FE6DE@mac.com>
	<24923490.post@talk.nabble.com> <24927194.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DC88DD65-5F5A-4AA5-8B9E-8328F4B63C0B@mac.com>

This one seems interesting. I will play around with it. It would be  
nice to have the awaking of the screensaver initiate the applescript/ 
rev app.

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html






On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:54 PM, BNig wrote:

>
> Tom,
> even shorter would be:
> -------------------------
> tell application "System Events" to return ("ScreenSaverEngine" is  
> in (name
> of every process))
> -------------------------
> returns true or false
>
> regards
> Bernd
>
>
> BNig wrote:
>>
>> Tom,
>> I dont know about shell but I found a way to query whether the  
>> screensaver
>> is on or not. You would have to query the screensaver repeatedly  
>> with a
>> script though.
>> I found the basics on macscripter.net
>> to try it out:
>> --------------
>> delay 4 -- to let the screensaver start
>> tell application "System Events" to set v_proclist to name of every
>> process
>> set myScreen to false
>> repeat with aProcess in v_proclist
>> 	if (aProcess is in {"ScreenSaverEngine"}) then
>> 		set myScreen to true
>> 		say "yes, screen saver is on"
>> 	end if
>> end repeat
>> if not myScreen then say "no screesaver is running"
>> -----------------
>>
>
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/wake-from-sleep-tp24917002p24927194.html
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>
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From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Aug 11 22:42:44 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:42:44 -0500
Subject: Releasing Memory and Virtual Memory
In-Reply-To: <4A821C7D.6050005@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <C6A72FC3.439CE%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<4A821C7D.6050005@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4A822C24.6010702@dreamscapesoftware.com>

My apologies to everyone for wasting your time...

My script is setup so images that can be exported by Revolution (JPEG,
GIF, PNG and Paint) are done so by Revolution, and all other image
formats are exported using the EnhancedQT External.

The variable holding the destination file type info was incorrect,
resulting in my if-then comparisons always skipping the built-in
Revolution exporting, and utilizing the EnhancedQT External.

This constant usage of EnhancedQT for converting and exporting 100+
images would result in the memory buildup.  It now seems that this
problem is resolved, but I still have to figure out a way of getting
EnhancedQT to release it's hold on my memory.

But all in all, I know that all of the suggestions that everyone gave
have allowed me to optimize my script to make it run even faster than it
did before.

Thanks to everyone that helped with this.  I really appreciate it.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Derek Bump wrote:
> Well, I tried everyone's suggestions except 1, the use of "send in x
> seconds" method.  All of the other suggestions resulted in no
> improvement in RAM usage... which sucks because they were all pretty
> easy to implement.
> 
> So with a big thank you to all who chimed in, and my fingers crossed,
> I'm going to rewrite the script to incorporate the suggested message
> sending.  Hopefully that will provide the solution I'm looking for.
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
> 
> 
> Scott Rossi wrote:
>> Recently, Derek Bump wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any way to force Revolution to "let go" or "release" excessive
>>> amounts of memory?
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got a project that scans through a folder of images, imports the
>>> image into an image object (via put url "binfile:"), exports it as a
>>> JPEG, then puts "empty" into the image object (to free it up).
>>>
>>> The problem is that after 100 or so images, the amount of memory that
>>> Revolution is using is over 1.5 GB's of Real RAM and 3 GB's of Virtual
>>> RAM.  This, of course, slows down all of my other applications until I
>>> close Revolution.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, in the same project, I can do the same thing manually with
>>> just 1 image, and the memory goes back down.  I import the image into an
>>> image object, export it, and put "empty" into the object.  When I do so,
>>> the Activity Monitor shows a 10 MB drop in RAM usage.
>>
>> Three things I would try:
>>
>> - try setting the filename of the target image, as opposed to using "put
>> url"
>>
>> - save the stack each time after exporting 10 to 20 images or so
>>
>> - if saving every so often doesn't do anything, try deleting the image
>> object, and creating a brand new one, and saving, as opposed to putting
>> empty into the existing image
>>
>> Hope one of these helps.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
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From katir at hindu.org  Tue Aug 11 22:49:59 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:49:59 -1000
Subject: Why no ScreenUp Dates
Message-ID: <4A822DD7.6010409@hindu.org>

I have a little stack that digs some log files.

it works well, but the UI is not updated until the repeat loops and 
handlers are all finished.

It is as if I had a "lock screen" at the start (which I don't)  but it 
acts like that.

I have a message that is to be inserted into a field and a timer that 
should update a field on each repeat loop.. But don't see anything until 
it is finished, only then is the GUI is updated.

perhaps the "Read from file" loop is a blocking call?


global gStart
local tPartials,tRevHits,tCompleted


on mouseUp
   put empty into fld "Time"  # Not happening... blocked
   put empty into fld "output" # Not happening... blocked
   put  the uDigging of fld "Status"  into fld "Status" # Not 
happening... blocked
 set the cursor to busy
   put 0 into tPartials
   put 0 into tRevHits
   put 0 into tCompleted
   put ticks() into gStart
   repeat for each line y in fld "path"
      put y & cr after tOutput
      open file y for read
      put 20000 into tStep
      put 1000 into tChunkSize
      put 1 & cr into tAccessLogFileChunk
      repeat  until tAccessLogFileChunk is empty
         read from file y for tChunkSize lines
         put it into tAccessLogFileChunk
         put processLogs(tAccessLogFileChunk) & cr after tOutput
         calcTime # Not happening... blocked
      end repeat
      close file y
   end repeat
   repeat 5 times
      replace (cr&cr) with cr in tOutput
   end repeat
   put  "Summary: " & Cr & "Downloaded with Revolution HT Navigator: " & 
tRevHits & cr  into tSummary
   put "Complete Downloads via HT site: " & (tCompleted - tRevHits) & cr 
after tSummary
   put tSummary & cr & "_________________" & cr before tOutput
# now all fields are updated:
   calcTime
   put tOutput into fld "output"
   put  the uFinished of fld "Status"  into fld "Status"
end mouseUp

function processLogs tAccessLogFileChunk
   put empty into tFoundLines
   repeat for each line x in tAccessLogFileChunk
      if x contains  fld "SearchString" then
         put x into z
         if z contains "Revolution" then add 1 to tRevHits
         put  ("1.1"&quote&" 200 ") into tCompleteCode
         put  ("1.1"&quote&" 206 ") into tPartialCode
         if z contains tCompleteCode then add 1 to tCompleted
         if z contains tPartialCode then add 1 to tPartials
         put empty into z
         put x & cr after tFoundLInes
      end if
     
     
   end repeat
   return tFoundLines
End processLogs

Stack script has:

global gStart

on openStack
   put the uIntro of fld "Status" into fld "Status"
end openStack
on calcTime
   put ticks()-gStart into tTicks
   if tTicks < 60 then
      put tTicks & " ticks" into fld "time"
   else
      put  trunc (tTicks/60) into tSeconds
      put  trunc(tSeconds/60) & " min. " & ( tSeconds mod 60) & " sec." 
into  fld "time"
   end if
end calcTime








From lists at futilism.com  Wed Aug 12 05:35:17 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:35:17 +0100
Subject: Why no ScreenUp Dates
In-Reply-To: <4A822DD7.6010409@hindu.org>
References: <4A822DD7.6010409@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <1725BF05-7D2D-4F7D-887B-6B8290AC3054@futilism.com>

Sivakatirswami , inserting a "wait 0 millisecs with messages" just  
after "calcTime" might help.
Sometimes loops are fast enough to get in the way of rendering the  
screen, and a 'wait' will give the engine enough time to update the  
screen.

Best,

Mark Smith


On 12 Aug 2009, at 03:49, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> I have a little stack that digs some log files.
>
> it works well, but the UI is not updated until the repeat loops and  
> handlers are all finished.
>
> It is as if I had a "lock screen" at the start (which I don't)  but  
> it acts like that.
>
> I have a message that is to be inserted into a field and a timer  
> that should update a field on each repeat loop.. But don't see  
> anything until it is finished, only then is the GUI is updated.
>
> perhaps the "Read from file" loop is a blocking call?
>
>
> global gStart
> local tPartials,tRevHits,tCompleted
>
>
> on mouseUp
>   put empty into fld "Time"  # Not happening... blocked
>   put empty into fld "output" # Not happening... blocked
>   put  the uDigging of fld "Status"  into fld "Status" # Not  
> happening... blocked
> set the cursor to busy
>   put 0 into tPartials
>   put 0 into tRevHits
>   put 0 into tCompleted
>   put ticks() into gStart
>   repeat for each line y in fld "path"
>      put y & cr after tOutput
>      open file y for read
>      put 20000 into tStep
>      put 1000 into tChunkSize
>      put 1 & cr into tAccessLogFileChunk
>      repeat  until tAccessLogFileChunk is empty
>         read from file y for tChunkSize lines
>         put it into tAccessLogFileChunk
>         put processLogs(tAccessLogFileChunk) & cr after tOutput
>         calcTime # Not happening... blocked
>      end repeat
>      close file y
>   end repeat
>   repeat 5 times
>      replace (cr&cr) with cr in tOutput
>   end repeat
>   put  "Summary: " & Cr & "Downloaded with Revolution HT Navigator:  
> " & tRevHits & cr  into tSummary
>   put "Complete Downloads via HT site: " & (tCompleted - tRevHits)  
> & cr after tSummary
>   put tSummary & cr & "_________________" & cr before tOutput
> # now all fields are updated:
>   calcTime
>   put tOutput into fld "output"
>   put  the uFinished of fld "Status"  into fld "Status"
> end mouseUp
>
> function processLogs tAccessLogFileChunk
>   put empty into tFoundLines
>   repeat for each line x in tAccessLogFileChunk
>      if x contains  fld "SearchString" then
>         put x into z
>         if z contains "Revolution" then add 1 to tRevHits
>         put  ("1.1"&quote&" 200 ") into tCompleteCode
>         put  ("1.1"&quote&" 206 ") into tPartialCode
>         if z contains tCompleteCode then add 1 to tCompleted
>         if z contains tPartialCode then add 1 to tPartials
>         put empty into z
>         put x & cr after tFoundLInes
>      end if
>           end repeat
>   return tFoundLines
> End processLogs
>
> Stack script has:
>
> global gStart
>
> on openStack
>   put the uIntro of fld "Status" into fld "Status"
> end openStack
> on calcTime
>   put ticks()-gStart into tTicks
>   if tTicks < 60 then
>      put tTicks & " ticks" into fld "time"
>   else
>      put  trunc (tTicks/60) into tSeconds
>      put  trunc(tSeconds/60) & " min. " & ( tSeconds mod 60) & "  
> sec." into  fld "time"
>   end if
> end calcTime
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Wed Aug 12 05:35:44 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:35:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: wake from sleep
In-Reply-To: <DC88DD65-5F5A-4AA5-8B9E-8328F4B63C0B@mac.com>
References: <743DA1FB-3610-4E9F-8401-2B2F437FE6DE@mac.com>
	<24923490.post@talk.nabble.com> <24927194.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<DC88DD65-5F5A-4AA5-8B9E-8328F4B63C0B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <24931893.post@talk.nabble.com>


Tom,

if you are worried about querying every second or so you could cut down on
querying while the screensaver is not on to lets say every minute. Than as
soon as your stack gets the notice that screensaver is on you change to
query every second, your stack will probably idle when the screensaver is
running anyways.

Unfortunately I dont know any way to hook into the system to get a message
"screensavingEnded"

regards
Bernd


Thomas McGrath III-3 wrote:
> 
> This one seems interesting. I will play around with it. It would be  
> nice to have the awaking of the screensaver initiate the applescript/ 
> rev app.
> 
> Tom McGrath III
> Lazy River Software
> 
> On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:54 PM, BNig wrote:
> 
>>
>> Tom,
>> even shorter would be:
>> -------------------------
>> tell application "System Events" to return ("ScreenSaverEngine" is  
>> in (name
>> of every process))
>> -------------------------
>> returns true or false
>>
>> regards
>> Bernd
>>
>>
>> BNig wrote:
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>> I dont know about shell but I found a way to query whether the  
>>> screensaver
>>> is on or not. You would have to query the screensaver repeatedly  
>>> with a
>>> script though.
>>> I found the basics on macscripter.net
>>> to try it out:
>>> --------------
>>> delay 4 -- to let the screensaver start
>>> tell application "System Events" to set v_proclist to name of every
>>> process
>>> set myScreen to false
>>> repeat with aProcess in v_proclist
>>> 	if (aProcess is in {"ScreenSaverEngine"}) then
>>> 		set myScreen to true
>>> 		say "yes, screen saver is on"
>>> 	end if
>>> end repeat
>>> if not myScreen then say "no screesaver is running"
>>> -----------------
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> View this message in context:
>> http://www.nabble.com/wake-from-sleep-tp24917002p24927194.html
>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> 

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From tariel at mac.com  Wed Aug 12 06:04:53 2009
From: tariel at mac.com (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:04:53 -0400
Subject: Drop destination path
In-Reply-To: <20090812093550.D17F948AB62@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090812093550.D17F948AB62@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5E934F8F-DAA5-4C87-98FA-E80C5027B513@mac.com>

HI,

I guess it's something obvious, but I'm not very familiar yet with  
new drag / drop syntax.
if I drop some text or image from Revolution into some arbitrary  
folder on hard disk, how do I get the path to this folder?

Thanks in advance
Tariel


From index at kenjikojima.com  Wed Aug 12 06:30:59 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:30:59 -0400
Subject: revLet image 
Message-ID: <A8D42CC7-A8CC-4B9C-8092-720FCC9063BF@kenjikojima.com>

Hi,

I cannot set image filename of revLet.

I tried them.
set the filename of image 1 to "myImage.jpg"
set the filename of image 1 to "http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/ 
myImage.jpg"
And used Network of Standalone Application setting.
But I could not show the image. It was just a gray image object.

Does anybody know how I can show an image.

Thanks,
--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/







From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Aug 12 06:35:22 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:35:22 +0200
Subject: Drop destination path
In-Reply-To: <5E934F8F-DAA5-4C87-98FA-E80C5027B513@mac.com>
References: <20090812093550.D17F948AB62@mail.runrev.com>
	<5E934F8F-DAA5-4C87-98FA-E80C5027B513@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1A27E23D-8838-41E4-B717-629410568902@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Tariel,

> HI,
>
> I guess it's something obvious, but I'm not very familiar yet with  
> new drag / drop syntax.
> if I drop some text or image from Revolution into some arbitrary  
> folder on hard disk, how do I get the path to this folder?

I also would like to get this, but I'm afraid there is no way to get  
the "dropdestination" from oustside of Rev/MC.

Hopefully someone will proof me wrong :-)

> Thanks in advance
> Tariel

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From wow at together.net  Wed Aug 12 06:44:43 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:44:43 -0400
Subject: revLet image
In-Reply-To: <A8D42CC7-A8CC-4B9C-8092-720FCC9063BF@kenjikojima.com>
References: <A8D42CC7-A8CC-4B9C-8092-720FCC9063BF@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <4A829D1B.4040604@together.net>

Hi Kenji,

This works for a locally-stored image:
      set the filename of image 1 to 
"file:///c:/folder1/folder2/myImage.jpg"

You should include the full local path to the image... not just the 
relative path, along with the prefix "file:///"

This should work for an image stored on a server:
      set the filename of image 1 to 
"http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/myImage.jpg"

I would guess something was incorrect with the http address above... 
either mis-spelled or incorrect capitalization (which must be precise 
for some servers). Otherwise, this has been working fine for me.

Richard Miller



Kenji Kojima wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I cannot set image filename of revLet.
>
> I tried them.
> set the filename of image 1 to "myImage.jpg"
> set the filename of image 1 to "http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/myImage.jpg"
> And used Network of Standalone Application setting.
> But I could not show the image. It was just a gray image object.
>
> Does anybody know how I can show an image.
>
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Kenji Kojima
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>
>
>
>
>
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Aug 12 06:55:37 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 11:55:37 +0100
Subject: revLet image
In-Reply-To: <4A829D1B.4040604@together.net>
References: <A8D42CC7-A8CC-4B9C-8092-720FCC9063BF@kenjikojima.com> 
	<4A829D1B.4040604@together.net>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908120355y112c4c58s4418512f40c2b0b6@mail.gmail.com>

if it is a revlet then this would not work since the images would not be
stored locally.

Kenji, try this

put URL "http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/myImage.jpg" into image 1

that might work.

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Richard Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:

> Hi Kenji,
>
> This works for a locally-stored image:
>     set the filename of image 1 to "file:///c:/folder1/folder2/myImage.jpg"
>
> You should include the full local path to the image... not just the
> relative path, along with the prefix "file:///"
>
> This should work for an image stored on a server:
>     set the filename of image 1 to "
> http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/myImage.jpg"
>
> I would guess something was incorrect with the http address above... either
> mis-spelled or incorrect capitalization (which must be precise for some
> servers). Otherwise, this has been working fine for me.
>
> Richard Miller
>
>
>
>
> Kenji Kojima wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I cannot set image filename of revLet.
>>
>> I tried them.
>> set the filename of image 1 to "myImage.jpg"
>> set the filename of image 1 to "http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/myImage.jpg"
>> And used Network of Standalone Application setting.
>> But I could not show the image. It was just a gray image object.
>>
>> Does anybody know how I can show an image.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> --
>> Kenji Kojima
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Aug 12 06:58:12 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:58:12 +1000
Subject: revLet image
In-Reply-To: <A8D42CC7-A8CC-4B9C-8092-720FCC9063BF@kenjikojima.com>
References: <A8D42CC7-A8CC-4B9C-8092-720FCC9063BF@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908120358r53fe8772p58f3fe5ad63edfa0@mail.gmail.com>

> set the filename of image 1 to "myImage.jpg"
> set the filename of image 1 to "http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/myImage.jpg"
> And used Network of Standalone Application setting.
> But I could not show the image. It was just a gray image object.
>
> Does anybody know how I can show an image.

I had his problem and Dave Cragg suggested the solution which was to use:

   put url ("binfile:" & tFileName) into image "MyImage"

This works perfectly even in a revlet, where setting the filename does not work.

Cheers,
Sarah


From index at kenjikojima.com  Wed Aug 12 07:56:18 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:56:18 -0400
Subject: revLet image
In-Reply-To: <4A829D1B.4040604@together.net>
References: <A8D42CC7-A8CC-4B9C-8092-720FCC9063BF@kenjikojima.com>
	<4A829D1B.4040604@together.net>
Message-ID: <6D9289F6-ACC5-4025-A068-1F674268AF8E@kenjikojima.com>

Richard, Andre, Sarah

>  set the filename of image 1 to "http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/myImage.jpg 
> "

It worked.

I thought I did exactly same, but maybe I did something wrong.

The test page is:
http://www.kenjikojima.com/Photo/test.html

Thanks,
--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/




On Aug 12, 2009, at 06:44 AM, Richard Miller wrote:

> Hi Kenji,
>
> This works for a locally-stored image:
>     set the filename of image 1 to "file:///c:/folder1/folder2/myImage.jpg 
> "
>
> You should include the full local path to the image... not just the  
> relative path, along with the prefix "file:///"
>
> This should work for an image stored on a server:
>     set the filename of image 1 to "http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/myImage.jpg 
> "
>
> I would guess something was incorrect with the http address above...  
> either mis-spelled or incorrect capitalization (which must be  
> precise for some servers). Otherwise, this has been working fine for  
> me.
>
> Richard Miller
>
>
>
> Kenji Kojima wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I cannot set image filename of revLet.
>>
>> I tried them.
>> set the filename of image 1 to "myImage.jpg"
>> set the filename of image 1 to "http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/myImage.jpg 
>> "
>> And used Network of Standalone Application setting.
>> But I could not show the image. It was just a gray image object.
>>
>> Does anybody know how I can show an image.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -- 
>> Kenji Kojima
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Aug 12 08:00:32 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:00:32 +0200
Subject: password in a script
Message-ID: <25A4D378-33C0-41ED-A7DB-85861A1C561B@skynet.be>

Hello,



i've made a simple script :

    put "myLogIn" into userName
    put "myPasswd" into userPassword
    put "http://" & URLEncode(userName) & ":" &  
URLEncode(userPassword) & "@www.mondomaine.com/MyFileText.txt" into  
fileURLToGet
    put URL fileURLToGet into tmp
    answer tmp


It runs very good
BUT

Run I any risk when sending so my passwd to my server on the web ?


thanks.


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From wow at together.net  Wed Aug 12 09:02:50 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:02:50 -0400
Subject: revLet image
In-Reply-To: <6D9289F6-ACC5-4025-A068-1F674268AF8E@kenjikojima.com>
References: <A8D42CC7-A8CC-4B9C-8092-720FCC9063BF@kenjikojima.com>	<4A829D1B.4040604@together.net>
	<6D9289F6-ACC5-4025-A068-1F674268AF8E@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <4A82BD7A.6010300@together.net>

Some interesting behaviors with revlets.

These work:
For an image file on a server:  set the filename of image 1 to 
"http://www.test.com/file1.jpg"
For a local image file:  put url "binfile:c:/file1.jpg" into image 1
For a QT file on a server:  set the filename of player 1 to 
"http://www.test.com/qtfile.mov"
For a local QT file:   set the filename of player 1 to 
"file:///c:/qtfile.mov"


This doesn't work:
For a local image file:   set the filename of image 1 to 
"file:///c:/file1.jpg"

Not sure why the image and player objects work differently when the file 
is local, but this seems to be the case for now.

Richard Miller



Kenji Kojima wrote:
> Richard, Andre, Sarah
>
>>  set the filename of image 1 to 
>> "http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/myImage.jpg"
>
> It worked.
>
> I thought I did exactly same, but maybe I did something wrong.
>
> The test page is:
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/Photo/test.html
>
> Thanks,
> -- 
> Kenji Kojima
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/



From lists at futilism.com  Wed Aug 12 09:19:01 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:19:01 +0100
Subject: password in a script
In-Reply-To: <25A4D378-33C0-41ED-A7DB-85861A1C561B@skynet.be>
References: <25A4D378-33C0-41ED-A7DB-85861A1C561B@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <125EC4ED-442B-41F5-A2C4-585EE4C3BF5F@futilism.com>

Yves, you're sending the password in the clear, so you're vulnerable  
to a 'man-in-the-middle' attack, whereby someone could discover the  
password.

A scheme for avoiding this is to use what's called a "nonce" value to  
create an md5digest with your password.

Here's roughly how it works:

on the client:
--generate a random 4 byte 'nonce' value
repeat 4
   put any byte of "0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" after tNonce
end repeat

--get the md5digest of the nonce value + the password as base64  
string and prepend the nonce value
put tNonce & base64encode(md5digest(tNonce & tPassword) into tCryptPass

--now:
put "http://" & URLEncode(userName) & ":" & URLEncode(tCryptPass) &  
"@www.mondomaine.com/MyFileText.txt" into fileURLToGet

--on the server:
--get the password from local file or whatever, put it into tPassword


put byte 1 to 4 of tCryptPass into tNonce
if base64encode(md5digest(tNonce & tPassword)) = byte 5 to -1 of  
tCryptPass then
    authentication passed
else
    authentication failed
end if


This is not industrial strength cryptography, but a reasonably easy  
to implement and reasonably secure way to avoid sending your password  
in the clear.

Best,

Mark Smith


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Wed Aug 12 09:40:36 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:40:36 -0400
Subject: wake from sleep
In-Reply-To: <24931893.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <743DA1FB-3610-4E9F-8401-2B2F437FE6DE@mac.com>
	<24923490.post@talk.nabble.com> <24927194.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<DC88DD65-5F5A-4AA5-8B9E-8328F4B63C0B@mac.com>
	<24931893.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C0F6BEC3-ECA6-4EBF-B8C9-D43204DAC9E7@mac.com>

Thanks Bernd,

That worked and now to clean it up. FWIW the stack keeps ticking after  
the screensaver launches.

Thanks again, I will share the code later once I clean it up.

Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html


On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:35 AM, BNig wrote:

>
> Tom,
>
> if you are worried about querying every second or so you could cut  
> down on
> querying while the screensaver is not on to lets say every minute.  
> Than as
> soon as your stack gets the notice that screensaver is on you change  
> to
> query every second, your stack will probably idle when the  
> screensaver is
> running anyways.
>
> Unfortunately I dont know any way to hook into the system to get a  
> message
> "screensavingEnded"
>
> regards
> Bernd
>
>
> Thomas McGrath III-3 wrote:
>>
>> This one seems interesting. I will play around with it. It would be
>> nice to have the awaking of the screensaver initiate the applescript/
>> rev app.
>>
>> Tom McGrath III
>> Lazy River Software
>>
>> On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:54 PM, BNig wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Tom,
>>> even shorter would be:
>>> -------------------------
>>> tell application "System Events" to return ("ScreenSaverEngine" is
>>> in (name
>>> of every process))
>>> -------------------------
>>> returns true or false
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Bernd
>>>
>>>
>>> BNig wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Tom,
>>>> I dont know about shell but I found a way to query whether the
>>>> screensaver
>>>> is on or not. You would have to query the screensaver repeatedly
>>>> with a
>>>> script though.
>>>> I found the basics on macscripter.net
>>>> to try it out:
>>>> --------------
>>>> delay 4 -- to let the screensaver start
>>>> tell application "System Events" to set v_proclist to name of every
>>>> process
>>>> set myScreen to false
>>>> repeat with aProcess in v_proclist
>>>> 	if (aProcess is in {"ScreenSaverEngine"}) then
>>>> 		set myScreen to true
>>>> 		say "yes, screen saver is on"
>>>> 	end if
>>>> end repeat
>>>> if not myScreen then say "no screesaver is running"
>>>> -----------------
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://www.nabble.com/wake-from-sleep-tp24917002p24927194.html
>>> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/wake-from-sleep-tp24917002p24931893.html
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Aug 12 10:39:14 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:39:14 EDT
Subject: Bytes (was: password in a script)
Message-ID: <d5b.4e397f6f.37b42e12@aol.com>

Just curious, "byte" seems to be a native word in Rev, though I don't see 
it in the dictionary. I know there are memos and addendums galore.

Is it a synonym for "char", as it seems to be, or something more?

Craig Newman


In a message dated 8/12/09 9:19:24 AM, lists at futilism.com writes:


> on the client:
> --generate a random 4 byte 'nonce' value
> repeat 4
> ?? put any byte of "0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" after tNonce
> end repeat
> 



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Aug 12 10:50:51 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:50:51 +0200
Subject: Bytes (was: password in a script)
In-Reply-To: <d5b.4e397f6f.37b42e12@aol.com>
References: <d5b.4e397f6f.37b42e12@aol.com>
Message-ID: <08E48E0E-4CEC-464C-966E-1927041BA7E2@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Craig,

Currently, chars and bytes are synonyms. This might change in the  
future. Perhaps ask for more info on the Enterprise list?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 12 aug 2009, at 16:39, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Just curious, "byte" seems to be a native word in Rev, though I  
> don't see
> it in the dictionary. I know there are memos and addendums galore.
>
> Is it a synonym for "char", as it seems to be, or something more?
>
> Craig Newman
>


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 12 10:51:59 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:51:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Bytes (was: password in a script)
In-Reply-To: <d5b.4e397f6f.37b42e12@aol.com>
Message-ID: <854962.66988.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

The 'byte' chunk type and friends ('byteToNum' and 'numToByte') were introduced in Revolution 3.0 - and guarantee linear access to a piece in a container (variable, field, etc)
The idea is to let you retrieve individual bytes in a container, even when there's a mix of ASCII and Unicode in there. Right now, 'byte' and 'char' are the same, unless the local property 'useUnicode' is set to true. But in the future, Mark Waddingham wants to make 'char' adaptive to the encoding of the container or even part of the container.
So if you're processing binary data using 'char' right now to get to individual bytes, you should move over to 'byte' to avoid future surprises. See also the revUp newsletter article that I wrote a while back:
<http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/january/issue63/newsletter4.php>

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Wed, 8/12/09, DunbarX at aol.com <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:

> From: DunbarX at aol.com <DunbarX at aol.com>
> Subject: Bytes (was: password in a script)
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Wednesday, August 12, 2009, 7:39 AM
> Just curious, "byte" seems to be a
> native word in Rev, though I don't see 
> it in the dictionary. I know there are memos and addendums
> galore.
> 
> Is it a synonym for "char", as it seems to be, or something
> more?
> 
> Craig Newman
> 
> 
> In a message dated 8/12/09 9:19:24 AM, lists at futilism.com
> writes:
> 
> 
> > on the client:
> > --generate a random 4 byte 'nonce' value
> > repeat 4
> > ?? put any byte of
> "0123456789abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz" after tNonce
> > end repeat
> > 
> 
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Wed Aug 12 11:01:49 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:01:49 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Teacher Friday for tRev this week
Message-ID: <A51D6C11-6851-4D11-8338-9559E2FDEB20@me.com>

Script editor aficionados,

This week we have already added several very nice features and  
enhancements to tRev, the new script editor for Revolution that  
operates as a separate application. We have continued our good track  
record of keeping Revolution stable, fast and happy.

The tRev app itself, once running and set up properly, similarly does  
well in terms of stability and speed. Some of the troubles we have had  
with certain user set-ups for Revolution (and healthy tRev  
installations) have been dealt with expeditiously. For those who had  
installation problems, we added a feature in build 105 where  
depressing the option key (or alt key) forces a fresh install of all  
components. This seemed to fix our few remaining installation problems.

The last two Fridays we have hosted Feature Friday on our site and via  
a webinar. These were well attended and received a lot of enthusiastic  
response. So we decided to host another event this week:

Teacher Friday

I will be walking through many of the less-obvious features of tRev  
and explaining how several aspects of the app work, especially the  
architecture of tRev, how it installs and how it interacts with  
Revolution.

I will post a link later today announcing Teacher Friday with a link  
to the webinar. Those unable to attend will be able to watch a video  
re-play of the event.

I am posting this announcement today so people can clear away their  
schedules and get their questions ready. This session would be the  
place to ask them. Last week's event had many questions that seemed to  
veer from tRev and editors, but those turned out to be some of the  
most popular.

I hope to see you on Friday.

NOTE: all tRev users should now be using build 105 of the tRev  
application. You can check the build number in tRev's about box. If  
you do not have build 105, you will need to go to http://reveditor.com  
and click one of the download links on the right of the page to get  
it. Updating the components of tRev via the Check for Updates menu  
item is not the same as downloading a new version of the tRev  
application.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - Feature Friday (last week's)
http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-aug-7-video-part-one



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Wed Aug 12 11:13:38 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:13:38 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Teacher Friday for tRev this week
In-Reply-To: <A51D6C11-6851-4D11-8338-9559E2FDEB20@me.com>
References: <A51D6C11-6851-4D11-8338-9559E2FDEB20@me.com>
Message-ID: <FA8062D3-B3C3-4B7B-8FAA-66174CEB0978@me.com>

I neglected to mention the time for Teacher Friday:

10:00 AM Central Daylight Time / US

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Script editor aficionados,
>
> This week we have already added several very nice features and  
> enhancements to tRev, the new script editor for Revolution that  
> operates as a separate application. We have continued our good track  
> record of keeping Revolution stable, fast and happy.
>
> The tRev app itself, once running and set up properly, similarly  
> does well in terms of stability and speed. Some of the troubles we  
> have had with certain user set-ups for Revolution (and healthy tRev  
> installations) have been dealt with expeditiously. For those who had  
> installation problems, we added a feature in build 105 where  
> depressing the option key (or alt key) forces a fresh install of all  
> components. This seemed to fix our few remaining installation  
> problems.
>
> The last two Fridays we have hosted Feature Friday on our site and  
> via a webinar. These were well attended and received a lot of  
> enthusiastic response. So we decided to host another event this week:
>
> Teacher Friday
>
> I will be walking through many of the less-obvious features of tRev  
> and explaining how several aspects of the app work, especially the  
> architecture of tRev, how it installs and how it interacts with  
> Revolution.
>
> I will post a link later today announcing Teacher Friday with a link  
> to the webinar. Those unable to attend will be able to watch a video  
> re-play of the event.
>
> I am posting this announcement today so people can clear away their  
> schedules and get their questions ready. This session would be the  
> place to ask them. Last week's event had many questions that seemed  
> to veer from tRev and editors, but those turned out to be some of  
> the most popular.
>
> I hope to see you on Friday.
>
> NOTE: all tRev users should now be using build 105 of the tRev  
> application. You can check the build number in tRev's about box. If  
> you do not have build 105, you will need to go to http:// 
> reveditor.com and click one of the download links on the right of  
> the page to get it. Updating the components of tRev via the Check  
> for Updates menu item is not the same as downloading a new version  
> of the tRev application.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - Feature Friday (last week's)
> http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-aug-7-video-part-one
>
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Aug 12 11:56:08 2009
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:56:08 +0100
Subject: Why no ScreenUp Dates
In-Reply-To: <1725BF05-7D2D-4F7D-887B-6B8290AC3054@futilism.com>
References: <4A822DD7.6010409@hindu.org>
	<1725BF05-7D2D-4F7D-887B-6B8290AC3054@futilism.com>
Message-ID: <4A82E618.7000606@cogapp.com>

On 12/8/09 10:35, Mark Smith wrote:
> Sivakatirswami , inserting a "wait 0 millisecs with messages" just after 
> "calcTime" might help.
> Sometimes loops are fast enough to get in the way of rendering the 
> screen, and a 'wait' will give the engine enough time to update the screen.


My impression is also that in the last version or two something has changed so 
that the UI is updated less frequently - so that I have to explicitly add the 
above line, whereas previously I didn't need to.

Does anyone else have this impression?  Does anyone know anything more precise 
about this - was there an announcement that I missed?

Ben



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Aug 12 12:01:56 2009
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:01:56 +0100
Subject: Releasing Memory and Virtual Memory
In-Reply-To: <4A822C24.6010702@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <C6A72FC3.439CE%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<4A821C7D.6050005@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A822C24.6010702@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4A82E774.9090409@cogapp.com>

Notwithstanding that Derek's case seems actually have been different: I 
certainly have run afoul of this problem, that there is no garbage collection 
until a handler ends, in a similar situation: a script where image objects 
were created and deleted, when given a large enough job on a machine with 
small enough memory, caused the app to crash.

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6791

There are certainly ways this behaviour could be improved, without impairing 
performance.

Ben



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Aug 12 12:04:06 2009
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:04:06 +0100
Subject: Bytes (was: password in a script)
In-Reply-To: <854962.66988.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <854962.66988.qm@web65402.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A82E7F6.1060106@cogapp.com>

See also Engine Release Log for 3.0.

You would perform a kindness if you added a QC note that the documentation 
hasn't been updated to match.

Ben



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed Aug 12 12:23:26 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:23:26 +0300
Subject: Releasing Memory and Virtual Memory
In-Reply-To: <4A82E774.9090409@cogapp.com>
References: <C6A72FC3.439CE%scott@tactilemedia.com>	<4A821C7D.6050005@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<4A822C24.6010702@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<4A82E774.9090409@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <4A82EC7E.9080807@ekoinf.net>

OK, that's also possibly why I have been experiencing strange crashes 
upon loading large images into a hidden stack, reading their image data, 
importing RGB values into a table in sqlite database, deleting image and 
closing. Then if I open another image within the same handler 
application mysteriously crashes PC with 2 GBytes of RAM... Vote cast.

Viktoras

Ben Rubinstein wrote:
> Notwithstanding that Derek's case seems actually have been different: 
> I certainly have run afoul of this problem, that there is no garbage 
> collection until a handler ends, in a similar situation: a script 
> where image objects were created and deleted, when given a large 
> enough job on a machine with small enough memory, caused the app to 
> crash.
>
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6791
>
> There are certainly ways this behaviour could be improved, without 
> impairing performance.
>
> Ben
>
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Aug 12 12:41:24 2009
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:41:24 +0100
Subject: wake from sleep
In-Reply-To: <C0F6BEC3-ECA6-4EBF-B8C9-D43204DAC9E7@mac.com>
References: <743DA1FB-3610-4E9F-8401-2B2F437FE6DE@mac.com>	<24923490.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<24927194.post@talk.nabble.com>	<DC88DD65-5F5A-4AA5-8B9E-8328F4B63C0B@mac.com>	<24931893.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<C0F6BEC3-ECA6-4EBF-B8C9-D43204DAC9E7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A82F0B4.6030304@cogapp.com>

Possibly helpful, but somewhat messy:

* at least on Mac, if the screensaver kicks in when your stack is on top, it 
will get a 'suspendStack' message; when the user breaks out of the 
screensaver, and the stack becomes active again, it gets a 'resumeStack' message

* at least on Mac, you can use shell commands to find out if the screensaver 
is running (er, or applescript as Bnig proposed)

* so in principle, you could use shell commands whenever receiving a 
'suspendStack' message to see if the screensaver is responsible for suspending 
you; and then deal with the subsequent resumeStack message on the basis that 
the screensaver must have ended.

However, this is of severely limited utility (I guess it could be helpful if 
you were in a kiosk situation) because, among other reasons (leaving aside the 
question of whether something similar happens on Windows):

* if you are suspended because some other app is bought to the front, and the 
screensaver then kicks in, you'll never know about it

* if you have multiple stacks open, there's a long standing issue about Rev 
bringing the wrong one to the front when Rev becomes the active app after not 
being the active app.  So depending on how your app is structured, the resume 
following breaking out of the screensaver may not be received by the stack 
that got the 'matching' suspend message.   I guess that's relatively easy to 
work around if all the stacks in your app are under your control.

So depending on your situation, you might be able to restrict the checking to 
when you've received a suspendStack message.

A more solid approach: I believe that native Mac applications can receive a 
signal when the screensaver kicks in, and another when it exits.  So in theory 
it could be trivial, at least on Mac, for the Rev engine to send 
"screensaverStarted" and "screensaverStopped" messages, and you could post 
that request in QC.  However in practise I can't imagine that such a request 
would be granted anytime soon.  If your need is serious, though, it might be 
quite simple to create a tiny helper app that receives such signals, and 
passes them on to your app.

DTH,

Ben




From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Wed Aug 12 12:42:23 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:42:23 -0700
Subject: Firefox works for revlet but not IE? was - Re: cookbook for putting
 Rev app on the web?
Message-ID: <4A82F0EF.2000507@castandcrew.com>

Status

Ok, the app failure to launch in a web page on our work web servers must 
have something to do with the configuration of my browser, Apache, my 
PC, our firewall rules, etc.  Reason is - I can put the 2 same files, 
one test.html file and one revlet, on my home web server and it works 
just fine.

Just fine that is in Firefox.  In IE, it keeps telling me I need to 
download the plug in, despite the fact that has been done more than once.

Anyone else have this "IE only" problem?

Mahalo
Sadhu


From tereza at califex.com  Wed Aug 12 13:02:38 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:02:38 -0500
Subject: Using zip to package a folder with subfolders
Message-ID: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>


It's probably elementary for old hands on the list, but I've never  
done it:

I need to zip up a folder that contains files and subfolders. Do I  
need to use a shell command, or can a sequence of revzip commands do  
the trick? What script commands are needed?

I'm working in MacOS, rev 3.5, creating (different) archives for Mac &  
Win, from files on my hard drive.


grateful for guidance,

tereza


-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Aug 12 13:10:32 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:10:32 -0400
Subject: Using zip to package a folder with subfolders
In-Reply-To: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
References: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
Message-ID: <D8C0D3F5-628C-456B-8F27-4D2631B3B279@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 12, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

> I need to zip up a folder that contains files and subfolders. Do I  
> need to use a shell command, or can a sequence of revzip commands do  
> the trick? What script commands are needed?

You can use revZip if you want. Here are two (uncommented) handlers I  
use for zipping/unzipping folders. When zipping you can probably just  
concern yourself with the first 3 params.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com



-- Leave pFolderPath empty. It is used recursively
command zipAddFolderToArchive pZipArchivePath, pRootFolderPath,  
pIncludeRootFolderInArchiveItemNames, pFilesToExclude,  
pExtensionsThatArentCompressed, pFolderPath
     local theArchiveItemName,theCharNo,theError,theFile
     local theFiles,theFolder,theFolders

     put pIncludeRootFolderInArchiveItemNames is true into  
pIncludeRootFolderInArchiveItemNames
     set the wholematches to true

     replace comma with cr in pExtensionsThatArentCompressed

     if pFolderPath is empty then
         put pRootFolderPath into pFolderPath	
         if pIncludeRootFolderInArchiveItemNames then
             set the itemdel to slash	# we want folder to be reflected  
in archive item name
             delete item -1 of pRootFolderPath
         end if
     end if

     put fileFilesInFolder(pFolderPath, true, true) into theFiles
     filter theFiles without ".DS_Store"
     set the itemdel to "."

     repeat for each line theFile in theFiles
         if theFile is among the lines of pFilesToExclude then next  
repeat

         put theFile into theArchiveItemName
         put offset(pRootFolderPath, theArchiveItemName) into theCharNo
         if theCharNo is 0 then return "file is not in expected folder"

         delete char 1 to (the number of chars of pRootFolderPath + 1)  
of theArchiveItemName	# strip root folder up to slash (zip item names  
shouldn't start with a slash)

         if item -1 of theArchiveItemName is among the lines of  
pExtensionsThatArentCompressed then
             revZipAddUncompressedItemWithFile pZipArchivePath,  
theArchiveItemName, theFile
         else
             revZipAddItemWithFile pZipArchivePath,  
theArchiveItemName, theFile
         end if
         if the result is not empty then
             put the result into theError
             exit REPEAT
         end if
     end REPEAT

     if theError is empty then
         put fileFoldersInFolder(pFolderPath, true, true) into  
theFolders
         repeat for each line theFolder in theFolders
             zipAddFolderToArchive pZipArchivePath, pRootFolderPath,  
pIncludeRootFolderInArchiveItemNames, pFilesToExclude,  
pExtensionsThatArentCompressed, theFolder
             put the result into theError
             if theError is not empty then
                 exit REPEAT
             end if
         end REPEAT
     end if

     return theError
end zipAddFolderToArchive


command zipDecompressArchiveToFolder pZipArchivePath, pOutputFolder,  
pItemsToExclude, pCallbackHandler
     local theError

     if the last char of pOutputFolder is slash then delete the last  
char of pOutputFolder

     set the wholematches to true
     put the filetype into theFileType
     set the filetype to empty

     put revZipEnumerateItems(pZipArchivePath) into theArchiveItems
     put the number of lines of theArchiveItems into theItemCount

     repeat for each line theArchiveItem in theArchiveItems
         add 1 to i

         if theArchiveItem is among the lines of pItemsToExclude then  
next repeat

         put pOutputFolder & slash & theArchiveItem into theFilePath
         put fileExtractDirectory(theFilePath) into theDirectoryPath

         if theDirectoryPath is not pOutputFolder then
             fileCreateAllFoldersInPath theDirectoryPath, pOutputFolder
             put the result into theError
         end if

         if theError is empty then
             if pCallbackHandler is not empty then
                 put CardOf(the long id of the target) into theCard
                 put "send" && quote & pCallbackHandler && "i,  
theItemCount" & quote && "to theCard" into theDo
                 do theDo
             end if

             revZipExtractItemToFile pZipArchivePath, theArchiveItem,  
theFilePath
             put the result into theError
         end if

         if theError is not empty then exit REPEAT
     end REPEAT

     set the filetype to theFileType

     return theError
end zipDecompressArchiveToFolder


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Aug 12 13:11:38 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:11:38 -0400
Subject: Using zip to package a folder with subfolders
In-Reply-To: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
References: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
Message-ID: <C582C3F5-B71D-419C-8410-6406393DE540@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 12, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

> I need to zip up a folder that contains files and subfolders. Do I  
> need to use a shell command, or can a sequence of revzip commands do  
> the trick? What script commands are needed?

I should point out that you need to open/close the zip archive outside  
of the handlers I provided.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Aug 12 13:13:21 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:13:21 +0200
Subject: Using zip to package a folder with subfolders
In-Reply-To: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
References: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
Message-ID: <FD53F7A8-63CB-4B19-8C30-3B861DFE1079@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Tereza,

This is what I use:

on mouseUp
    set the itemDel to slash
    if there is a folder fld "File" or there is a file fld "File" then
       set the directory to item 1 to -2 of fld "File"
       put item -1 of fld "File" & ".zip" into myZipFile
       put "zip -r" && quote & myZipFile & quote  && quote & item -1  
of fld "File" & quote && " -x .* *.DS_Store *Icon*" into myShell
       put shell(myShell)
    end if
end mouseUp

(mind line wraps)

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 12 aug 2009, at 19:02, Tereza Snyder wrote:

>
> It's probably elementary for old hands on the list, but I've never  
> done it:
>
> I need to zip up a folder that contains files and subfolders. Do I  
> need to use a shell command, or can a sequence of revzip commands do  
> the trick? What script commands are needed?
>
> I'm working in MacOS, rev 3.5, creating (different) archives for Mac  
> & Win, from files on my hard drive.
>
>
> grateful for guidance,
>
> tereza
>
>
> -- 
> Tereza Snyder
> Califex Software, Inc.
> <www.califexsoftware.com>



From joef1 at mac.com  Wed Aug 12 13:35:55 2009
From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:35:55 -0400
Subject: Mac to Windows Standalone Question
In-Reply-To: <c0c.650011f6.37b344d8@aol.com>
References: <c0c.650011f6.37b344d8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <129F23A7-3075-4195-A7C1-D0C0E02A9E9F@mac.com>

True, your comment at the bottom. But no mention of the "not equal"  
sign "?" which was widely used in Hypercard and works in Rev. I'm  
surprised that compiling a standalone for Windows doesn't catch that.

The option width thing I haven't run into yet, but I'll be watching  
for it.

So, as it all relates to my original question: Is there no repository  
or list of these Windows standalone problems? It makes "cross platform  
standalones" look like an unfinished feature.

Joe F.

On Aug 11, 2009, at 6:04 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> This came up last year. The dictionary lists these caveats in the user
> section.
>
> Look up "<=" as an example.
>
> Craig Newman
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Wed Aug 12 13:43:47 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 19:43:47 +0200
Subject: Using zip to package a folder with subfolders
In-Reply-To: <FD53F7A8-63CB-4B19-8C30-3B861DFE1079@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
	<FD53F7A8-63CB-4B19-8C30-3B861DFE1079@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <CED09D35-F5BF-428D-8E1D-688AEB51535A@major.on-rev.com>

Hi all,

Am 12.08.2009 um 19:13 schrieb Mark Schonewille:

> Hi Tereza,
>
> This is what I use:
>
> on mouseUp
>   set the itemDel to slash
>   if there is a folder fld "File" or there is a file fld "File" then
>      set the directory to item 1 to -2 of fld "File"
>      put item -1 of fld "File" & ".zip" into myZipFile
>      put "zip -r" && quote & myZipFile & quote  && quote & item -1  
> of fld "File" & quote && " -x .* *.DS_Store *Icon*" into myShell
>      put shell(myShell)
>   end if
> end mouseUp

am I correct presuming that RevZip still cannot zip complete folders  
"en bloc"
without looping through the files in it and zipping them?


Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From tereza at califex.com  Wed Aug 12 14:37:07 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:37:07 -0500
Subject: Using zip to package a folder with subfolders
In-Reply-To: <CED09D35-F5BF-428D-8E1D-688AEB51535A@major.on-rev.com>
References: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
	<FD53F7A8-63CB-4B19-8C30-3B861DFE1079@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CED09D35-F5BF-428D-8E1D-688AEB51535A@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <9BA4AA6B-AA01-4B95-B1EA-117707016F01@califex.com>


On Aug 12, 2009, Trevor DeVore & Mark Schonewille answered my plea:

> Do I need to use a shell command, or can a sequence of revzip  
> commands do the trick? What script commands are needed?



both ways!

Thanks Trevor for your noCommentsNeededOnAccountOfLongVariableNames  
script. The main mystery, "How do I zip a folder?" is solved!

and Mark's shell command does the job, no muss, no fuss.


Thank you both,

t





-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 12 15:47:56 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:47:56 -0700
Subject: Using zip to package a folder with subfolders
In-Reply-To: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
References: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
Message-ID: <E986109C-1A40-488D-B407-BBE6540252CB@yahoo.com>

Additional info regarding ZIP and FOLDERS

I use  " TAR " because it allows files of the same name that reside in  
different folders in the tree.
For web designers, this is valuable since linked support files are  
critical and most are named the same and replicated within and across  
web sites.

Examples are "style.css"   "javascriptLib.js"  "fileWriter.inc"    
"login.js"   "jquery.scrollTo.js"

This script creates one archive of many folders and files that may  
have the same name.
------------------------
on zCompressRoot
--(Mac path version)
   set the defaultfolder to "/Users/myaccount/path/to/folderParent/"
--this tells Rev the path and the shell command will use the same

   put "_PagesForWebSite" into folderToCompress
   put "WebPagesArch" into nameForZipArchive  --the base string to  
always use

   put (the seconds & nameForZipArchive") into zipNameToCreate  --the  
stamped name
-- prefixing the seconds makes repeated zip's unique file names

   put ("tar -c -z -f "& zipNameToCreate &".tar.gz " &  
folderToCompress & "") into cmd
   put shell(cmd) into status  --make it drill down,
   put status into msg  -- this will list the errors, otherwise  
success = empty

   if status is not empty then
      answer "There was a problem creating the archive.  If at first  
you don't succeed, tar tar again."
   end if
end zCompressRoot
---------------------------

Example:

tar: _PagesForWebSite: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors




Hope this helps.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

>
> It's probably elementary for old hands on the list, but I've never  
> done it:
>
> I need to zip up a folder that contains files and subfolders. Do I  
> need to use a shell command, or can a sequence of revzip commands do  
> the trick? What script commands are needed?
>
> I'm working in MacOS, rev 3.5, creating (different) archives for Mac  
> & Win, from files on my hard drive.
>
>
> grateful for guidance,
>
> tereza
>
>
> -- 
> Tereza Snyder
> Califex Software, Inc.
> <www.califexsoftware.com>
>
>
>
>
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Jim Ault
jimaultwins at yahoo.com





From katir at hindu.org  Wed Aug 12 16:01:08 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:01:08 -1000
Subject: Why no ScreenUp Dates
In-Reply-To: <4A82E618.7000606@cogapp.com>
References: <4A822DD7.6010409@hindu.org>	<1725BF05-7D2D-4F7D-887B-6B8290AC3054@futilism.com>
	<4A82E618.7000606@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <4A831F84.3020306@hindu.org>

Ben Rubinstein wrote:
> On 12/8/09 10:35, Mark Smith wrote:
>> Sivakatirswami , inserting a "wait 0 millisecs with messages" just 
>> after "calcTime" might help.
>> Sometimes loops are fast enough to get in the way of rendering the 
>> screen, and a 'wait' will give the engine enough time to update the 
>> screen.
>
>
> My impression is also that in the last version or two something has 
> changed so that the UI is updated less frequently - so that I have to 
> explicitly add the above line, whereas previously I didn't need to.
>
> Does anyone else have this impression?  Does anyone know anything more 
> precise about this - was there an announcement that I missed?
>
> Ben
>
Ok, this was interesting, the UI was not updating while working and 
testing the stack in the IDE... then I made and uploaded the revlet, 
clicked the button, the busy cursor did not appear,  (expected) but now 
the calcTime function was updating the UI on each loop and the statement 
"put the uIntro of fld "status" into fld "Status"   was being "honored." 
i.e. the field updated in the revlet as expected.

skts



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Aug 12 16:19:46 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:19:46 -0600
Subject: Mac to Windows Standalone Question
In-Reply-To: <129F23A7-3075-4195-A7C1-D0C0E02A9E9F@mac.com>
References: <c0c.650011f6.37b344d8@aol.com>
	<129F23A7-3075-4195-A7C1-D0C0E02A9E9F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7903E84F-7CCA-493F-A755-225F8CD497ED@byu.edu>


On Aug 12, 2009, at 11:35 AM, Joe F. wrote:

> True, your comment at the bottom. But no mention of the "not equal"
> sign "?" which was widely used in Hypercard and works in Rev. I'm
> surprised that compiling a standalone for Windows doesn't catch that.
>
> The option width thing I haven't run into yet, but I'll be watching
> for it.
>
> So, as it all relates to my original question: Is there no repository
> or list of these Windows standalone problems? It makes "cross platform
> standalones" look like an unfinished feature.


Joe,

You may be right that there is no central repository for this kind of  
info. Some of us try to fill the void by making our own lists. Here's  
a couple of links I know of. Maybe others can chime in:

 From my Rev class notes:
http://revolution.byu.edu/standalone/Distribution.html

 From a talk Jacque gave a few years back at the Rev developers  
conference:
http://www.hyperactivesw.com/resources_standalone.html

Hope this helps.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug 12 16:21:17 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 20:21:17 +0000
Subject: Re-2: Revlet goURL
Message-ID: <00038020.4A83405B@the-office.us>

Hi,

tried it here also. But it does not work in Firefox although there is no such NoScript extension installed. Also in IE8 it does not work.

What am i doing wrong?

Regards,

Matthias

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Revlet goURL (11-Aug-2009 1:03)
From:    J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> Richard Miller wrote:
> > This works fine for me in a revlet:
> > 
> > revgourl "http://www.apple.com"
> > 
> > though it does open in a different tab in Firefox. Tested on XP.
> 
> Aha! Got it, thanks. It does work, as long as you don't have the 
> NoScript Firefox extension installed. NoScript apparently thinks it's a 
> cross-scripting attempt and blocks it. When it isn't installed, revGoURL 
> works. Thanks for making me test again.
> 
> Phil Davis wrote:
>  > The docs say revGoUrl is deprecated:
>  > The revGoURL command is deprecated and should not be used in new code.
>  > To open a url from within a stack, use the launch url command instead.
>  >
>  > Would the suggested alternative work?
> 
> Yes, that works too.
> 
> The down side is that both methods open in a new tab. I'd rather it 
> acted like a regular link.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Aug 12 16:23:06 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:23:06 +0200
Subject: Revlet question
Message-ID: <9EF9D916-EB42-43BF-AC64-C473324ACD02@skynet.be>

Hi list

Suppose you have a revlet imbed in a html page and this revlet  
contains in his (pre)openstack script confidential password;
Can this confidential data be vulnerable to an attack ?

thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 12 16:50:03 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:50:03 -0700
Subject: Revlet question
In-Reply-To: <9EF9D916-EB42-43BF-AC64-C473324ACD02@skynet.be>
References: <9EF9D916-EB42-43BF-AC64-C473324ACD02@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <37F90E9D-1348-45BB-B26F-C8A8784DD375@yahoo.com>

On Aug 12, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Yves COPPE wrote:

> Hi list
>
> Suppose you have a revlet imbed in a html page and this revlet  
> contains in his (pre)openstack script confidential password; Can  
> this confidential data be vulnerable to an attack ?

Why would you decide to make the password a single string?
Write a set of steps that build the string from other parts of stack,  
eg.

-----------
on preopenstack
    put char 1 of line 2 of the script of button id 1129 into aa
    put word 2 of the short name of button id 1134 into bb
    put aa & bb & getCC() into thisPswdString
end preopenstack

function getCC
    put item -1 of the long name of this card into cc
    return cc
end getCC
-----------------
Let the scoundrels figure that one out!

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



From tariel at mac.com  Wed Aug 12 22:09:56 2009
From: tariel at mac.com (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:09:56 -0400
Subject: Drop destination path
In-Reply-To: <20090812170004.CB66248ABC9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090812170004.CB66248ABC9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C0E40A62-A4C7-44F0-8EB4-2D5B1986A697@mac.com>


On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:35:22 +0200, Klaus Major wrote:

>> if I drop some text or image from Revolution into some arbitrary
>> folder on hard disk, how do I get the path to this folder?
>
> I also would like to get this, but I'm afraid there is no way to get
> the "dropdestination" from oustside of Rev/MC.
>
> Hopefully someone will proof me wrong :-)
>
> Klaus Major


It just escapes me why Rev team didn't implement something like  
dropDestinationPath while rewriting drag and drop routines.

OK, I have a list field with movie names that represents movies  
stored on remote FTP server. Sort of specialized FTP client.
I need a user to be able to drag line with movie name out of this  
field and drop to any arbitrary folder which would initiate movie  
download from FTP server.
I have it all covered except I can't figure out the path to this  
arbitrary folder on which user drops the movie name. Any work around  
for this?

best
Tariel




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Aug 12 22:27:39 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:27:39 -0400
Subject: Using zip to package a folder with subfolders
In-Reply-To: <9BA4AA6B-AA01-4B95-B1EA-117707016F01@califex.com>
References: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
	<FD53F7A8-63CB-4B19-8C30-3B861DFE1079@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CED09D35-F5BF-428D-8E1D-688AEB51535A@major.on-rev.com>
	<9BA4AA6B-AA01-4B95-B1EA-117707016F01@califex.com>
Message-ID: <14D18154-2CD9-489A-81D1-1F06B38A9BB6@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

> Thanks Trevor for your noCommentsNeededOnAccountOfLongVariableNames  
> script. The main mystery, "How do I zip a folder?" is solved!

:-)

I forgot to include one supporting function that is called:  
filesFilesInFolder. Here it is.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com

==================

function fileFilesInFolder pFolder, pFullPath, pIncludeHidden
     local theDefault,theFile,theFiles,theFullFiles

     if there is not a folder pFolder then return empty
     if last char of pFolder is not slash then put slash after pFolder

     put the defaultfolder into theDefault
     set the defaultfolder to pFolder
     put the files into theFiles
     set the defaultfolder to theDefault
     if pIncludeHidden is not true then
         filter theFiles without ".*"
     else
         filter theFiles without "..*"
     end if

     if pFullPath then
         repeat for each line theFile in theFiles
             put pFolder & theFile & cr after theFullFiles
         end REPEAT
         delete last char of theFullFiles
         return theFullFiles
     else
         return theFiles
     end if
end fileFilesInFolder

si


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Aug 12 22:44:07 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:44:07 -0400
Subject: Using zip to package a folder with subfolders
In-Reply-To: <9BA4AA6B-AA01-4B95-B1EA-117707016F01@califex.com>
References: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
	<FD53F7A8-63CB-4B19-8C30-3B861DFE1079@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CED09D35-F5BF-428D-8E1D-688AEB51535A@major.on-rev.com>
	<9BA4AA6B-AA01-4B95-B1EA-117707016F01@califex.com>
Message-ID: <BB0F03FC-82E6-4B4F-8A52-0ADD1764C42E@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

>> Do I need to use a shell command, or can a sequence of revzip  
>> commands do the trick? What script commands are needed?

Okay, I actually forgot to include a number of handlers. I remember  
why I neglected to post this before: it has lots of supporting handlers.

I've rounded up all of the supporting handlers and added a lesson to  
Releasable Revolution. You can get all the code here (and it looks  
nice and pretty):

<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/buckets/tutorials/lessons/5870-Zipping-Unzipping-a-Folder-Using-RevZip 
 >

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From tereza at califex.com  Wed Aug 12 23:10:28 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:10:28 -0500
Subject: Using zip to package a folder with subfolders
In-Reply-To: <BB0F03FC-82E6-4B4F-8A52-0ADD1764C42E@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
	<FD53F7A8-63CB-4B19-8C30-3B861DFE1079@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CED09D35-F5BF-428D-8E1D-688AEB51535A@major.on-rev.com>
	<9BA4AA6B-AA01-4B95-B1EA-117707016F01@califex.com>
	<BB0F03FC-82E6-4B4F-8A52-0ADD1764C42E@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <40CA2D76-B2A9-4332-9709-0C896862F699@califex.com>

Thanks Trevor, I updated my vast store of purloined scripts with the  
contents of your web page.

I'm cookin' now! Three different methods!

Always learning,

t


On Aug 12, 2009, at 9:44 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:
>
>>> Do I need to use a shell command, or can a sequence of revzip  
>>> commands do the trick? What script commands are needed?
>
> Okay, I actually forgot to include a number of handlers. I remember  
> why I neglected to post this before: it has lots of supporting  
> handlers.
>
> I've rounded up all of the supporting handlers and added a lesson to  
> Releasable Revolution. You can get all the code here (and it looks  
> nice and pretty):
>
> <http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/buckets/tutorials/lessons/5870-Zipping-Unzipping-a-Folder-Using-RevZip 
> >
>



-- 
Tereza Snyder
Califex Software, Inc.
<www.califexsoftware.com>






From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed Aug 12 23:25:57 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:25:57 +0200
Subject: Drop destination path
In-Reply-To: <C0E40A62-A4C7-44F0-8EB4-2D5B1986A697@mac.com>
References: <20090812170004.CB66248ABC9@mail.runrev.com>
	<C0E40A62-A4C7-44F0-8EB4-2D5B1986A697@mac.com>
Message-ID: <21BFD238-B164-4762-9B36-33AD3329AE90@ezpzapps.com>


On Aug 13, 2009, at 4:09 AM, Tariel Gogoberidze wrote:

>
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:35:22 +0200, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>>> if I drop some text or image from Revolution into some arbitrary
>>> folder on hard disk, how do I get the path to this folder?

<snip>

> I need a user to be able to drag line with movie name out of this  
> field and drop to any arbitrary folder which would initiate movie  
> download from FTP server.

You don't state if you need an OS X and Windows solution, but if you  
select a folder and then run the following applescript you will get  
the path (in this case it is copied to the clipboard). Hope it helps  
you somehow.

tell application "Finder"
	copy selection to theSelected
	set outputPathList to {}
	repeat with anItem in theSelected
		copy (POSIX path of (anItem as alias)) to end of outputPathList
	end repeat
	set AppleScript's text item delimiters to return
	set outputString to outputPathList as string
	set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ""
	set the clipboard to outputString
end tell


sims


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Aug 12 23:44:14 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:44:14 -0500
Subject: Re-2: Revlet goURL
In-Reply-To: <00038020.4A83405B@the-office.us>
References: <00038020.4A83405B@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <4A838C0E.2060604@hyperactivesw.com>

runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> tried it here also. But it does not work in Firefox although there is no such NoScript extension installed. Also in IE8 it does not work.
> 
> What am i doing wrong?

I'm not sure...can you post the script?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 13 02:09:45 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:09:45 -0700
Subject: Drop destination path
In-Reply-To: <C0E40A62-A4C7-44F0-8EB4-2D5B1986A697@mac.com>
References: <20090812170004.CB66248ABC9@mail.runrev.com>
	<C0E40A62-A4C7-44F0-8EB4-2D5B1986A697@mac.com>
Message-ID: <90B93D28-022F-4D66-A558-038E378791A8@yahoo.com>


On Aug 12, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Tariel Gogoberidze wrote:

>
> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:35:22 +0200, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>>> if I drop some text or image from Revolution into some arbitrary
>>> folder on hard disk, how do I get the path to this folder?
>>
>> I also would like to get this, but I'm afraid there is no way to get
>> the "dropdestination" from oustside of Rev/MC.
>>
>> Hopefully someone will proof me wrong :-)
>>
>> Klaus Major

>>> how do I get the path to this folder?
Drop the folder onto Rev

>
>
> It just escapes me why Rev team didn't implement something like  
> dropDestinationPath while rewriting drag and drop routines.
When drag-dropping from one app to another, the first app does not  
have a way of 'knowing' what object the second app has used to accept  
the drop (if it accepted the drop at all).  This is true for any of  
the drag-and-drop between programs that I have experienced in the  
past.  The operating system does not know anything about the second  
app object definitions or drop areas.  The same thing is true of using  
a clipboard to move data.  The first app knows nothing about the paste  
operation in the second app.


My design idea would be that the user drags the folder onto the Rev  
stack landing area you design, thus Rev now captures the full path.   
Step (2) would be to drag the field name (I assume you only allow one  
line to be hilited at a time) onto the Rev stack area that 'gets' the  
file name.  This is a two-drag system, but it should be simple enough.

You could allow 3-4 places where a user could drag the folder on the  
Rev stack and the stack could retain 3-4 different folder paths and  
the user would not have to repeat the folder drag very often.

Another implementation (which I prefer) could be that each time a user  
drags a folder onto a locked Rev field, that path gets added to that  
field listing (deleting duplicates of course, and perhaps doing a  
sort).  Now the user can choose the folder and the filename without  
having to repeat a drag operation for that folder.  Step (1) click the  
folder path field to put the path into a field or global, then step  
(2) click the file name to start the FTP.  Adding another folder is  
another drag-drop that does not have to be repeated.  ( and extra  
feature would be to do 'save this stack' which would retain the path)

If you are using a compiled app, 'save this stack' would not work  
since compiled apps cannot be modified.  There are other ways of  
saving this info.

A refined, user-friendly app would be a locked field of folder paths  
that would check to see if all paths were still valid.  The reason is  
that folders on the hard drive can be renamed or moved or deleted,  
thus the FTP would fail.  So on mouse up on a locked field, the first  
check is to see 'if there is a folder a/b/c/'

Hope this helps.



Jim Ault
Las Vegas

>
>
> OK, I have a list field with movie names that represents movies  
> stored on remote FTP server. Sort of specialized FTP client.
> I need a user to be able to drag line with movie name out of this  
> field and drop to any arbitrary folder which would initiate movie  
> download from FTP server.
> I have it all covered except I can't figure out the path to this  
> arbitrary folder on which user drops the movie name. Any work around  
> for this?






From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Thu Aug 13 03:12:13 2009
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 00:12:13 -0700
Subject: answer folder --> volumes
Message-ID: <C03259C8-5661-42D6-8042-66F688AAA746@elementarysoftware.com>

I'm trying to open the answer folder dialogue to display the mounted  
volumes.

This works:

answer folder  "Where is the volume" with "/Volumes"

Unfortunately the dialogue window shows each volume icon as an alias.   
While acceptable, I would prefer a view like the one that happens if  
the user's machine (still in the answer folder dialogue) is clicked in  
the sidebar, which then shows actual volume icons.  I'm unsure of the  
how to get this path because it doesn't register as a folder itself,  
only enabling the "Choose" button after a volume has been selected.   
Passing the label of the "option menu" at the top of the dialogue as  
the path didn't seem to work either    :  )
rev 3.5
OSX 10.5.8

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------






From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 13 05:17:55 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:17:55 +0000
Subject: Re-4: Revlet goURL
Message-ID: <0003807D.4A83F662@the-office.us>

Hi Jaqueline,

thanks for your reply. It does not depend on the script. Even

on mouseup
launch URL "http://www.runrev.com"
end mouseup 

did not work. So i played with the security settings in StandaloneApplicationSettings. I have to select at least 'Process' to let the above script work. Tested revMedia and Enterprise 4 DP3 under Windows Vista.

Regards,

Matthias



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Re-2: Revlet goURL (13-Aug-2009 9:47)
From:    J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > tried it here also. But it does not work in Firefox although there is no 
> > such NoScript extension installed. Also in IE8 it does not work.
> > 
> > What am i doing wrong?
> 
> I'm not sure...can you post the script?
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu Aug 13 05:47:02 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:47:02 +0200
Subject: Transcript is now called...?
Message-ID: <D43BB0C5-38F2-4E18-8A56-676ECFD045A5@ezpzapps.com>

Can someone remind me what the official name for RunRev's language is  
now?

Jeeez I liked Transcript.


sims


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Aug 13 05:53:00 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:53:00 +0200
Subject: Transcript is now called...?
In-Reply-To: <D43BB0C5-38F2-4E18-8A56-676ECFD045A5@ezpzapps.com>
References: <D43BB0C5-38F2-4E18-8A56-676ECFD045A5@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <9AC7AB0D-AC4E-4746-9269-9CCA36E0FDFA@economy-x-talk.com>

I don't know, Sims. I think it was changed into Revolution, but I have  
also heard revTalk. Most of the time I speak of Transcript, though.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 13 aug 2009, at 11:47, jim sims wrote:

> Can someone remind me what the official name for RunRev's language  
> is now?
>
> Jeeez I liked Transcript.
>
>
> sims


From kevin at stallibrass.com  Thu Aug 13 07:27:19 2009
From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Kevin Stallibrass)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:27:19 +0100
Subject: to use Revolution
Message-ID: <008f01ca1c09$057fdeb0$107f9c10$@com>

Hi Kenji,

I'm using

 

put "http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/
<http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/%20myImage.jpg>  myImage.jpg" & into tName

   set the fileName of image "nameOfImage" to tName

 

and it works for me.

 

I've had success with 

Set the filename of image "nameOfImage" to myImage.jpg

But when the revlet is loaded on your server, the revlet look for this image
in the same folder as the revlet.

Not ideal so I prefer to set an absolute path as in example 1

 

 

Kevin Stallibrass

Technical Specialist

 

Robert Horne

 

 

Kenji Kojima wrote:

 

I cannot set image filename of revLet.

 

I tried them.

set the filename of image 1 to "myImage.jpg"

set the filename of image 1 to "http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/
<http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/%20myImage.jpg>  myImage.jpg"

And used Network of Standalone Application setting.

But I could not show the image. It was just a gray image object.

 

Does anybody know how I can show an image.

 

Thanks,

--

Kenji Kojima

the environment before printing this electronic communication

 

 



From index at kenjikojima.com  Thu Aug 13 07:45:07 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:45:07 -0400
Subject: revLet Visual Effect
Message-ID: <2BE92C0F-CCB6-435D-8112-74FC85AE337A@kenjikojima.com>

Hi,

Can I use visual effects of revlet?
I tried a move to another card, and lock screen.
But both of them were no effects.

Visual effects of the stack worked under the development environment.

Thanks,
--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/





From index at kenjikojima.com  Thu Aug 13 07:49:56 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 07:49:56 -0400
Subject: to use Revolution
In-Reply-To: <008f01ca1c09$057fdeb0$107f9c10$@com>
References: <008f01ca1c09$057fdeb0$107f9c10$@com>
Message-ID: <8F85DAAB-78D3-4A0A-9ED8-5E070A773138@kenjikojima.com>

Hi Kevin,

I tried absolute and relative paths for my trouble.

The trouble was resolved.
I could use both paths.

Thanks,
--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/




On Aug 13, 2009, at 07:27 AM, Kevin Stallibrass wrote:

> Hi Kenji,
>
> I'm using
>
>
>
> put "http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/
> <http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/%20myImage.jpg>  myImage.jpg" & into  
> tName
>
>   set the fileName of image "nameOfImage" to tName
>
>
>
> and it works for me.
>
>
>
> I've had success with
>
> Set the filename of image "nameOfImage" to myImage.jpg
>
> But when the revlet is loaded on your server, the revlet look for  
> this image
> in the same folder as the revlet.
>
> Not ideal so I prefer to set an absolute path as in example 1
>
>
>
>
>
> Kevin Stallibrass
>
> Technical Specialist
>
>
>
> Robert Horne
>
>
>
>
>
> Kenji Kojima wrote:
>
>
>
> I cannot set image filename of revLet.
>
>
>
> I tried them.
>
> set the filename of image 1 to "myImage.jpg"
>
> set the filename of image 1 to "http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/
> <http://kenjikojima.com/Photo/%20myImage.jpg>  myImage.jpg"
>
> And used Network of Standalone Application setting.
>
> But I could not show the image. It was just a gray image object.
>
>
>
> Does anybody know how I can show an image.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
>
> Kenji Kojima
>
> the environment before printing this electronic communication
>
>
>
>
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Aug 13 09:18:19 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:18:19 EDT
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
Message-ID: <c55.52abc9fd.37b56c9b@aol.com>

There was a short thread just a little while ago where it was mentioned 
that the name of the language itself was important. That is, in order to be 
taken seriously, to compete with C++ or Fortran, in other words to break away 
from the hobby-like persona of Hypertalk, the name of the language had to 
convey power.

Had to, since it did not appear arcane in structure and syntax, at least be 
named like it was raw machine code.

Forget substance.

HT was saddled with "scripting" instead of "programming" (note my use of 
quoted literals)   to make it seem less daunting. On purpose, imagine. This 
greatly contributed to its relegation to being kids stuff. "Hypertalk" already 
sounded like a skateboard. It was the "Hyper", I guess.

Forget substance. (note the verbosity). Mention fun or elegance at your 
peril; it will not be taken seriously.

Human beings (in my opinion the worst sort of people) probably need the 
language to have a power name. Sort of like a power suit. I spent an evening 
playing Rev with a "real" programmer who never heard of it. He loved it, 
asking me about inheritance and polymorphism. We wrote gadgets ALL night, playing 
especially with expression evaluation, which blew him away. He learned 
fast. Really fast. One convert.

I vote for Transcript. It already exists and is no more homey than Java. It 
is a strong, no-nonsense name.

Craig Newman


In a message dated 8/13/09 5:53:11 AM, m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com 
writes:


> I don't know, Sims. I think it was changed into Revolution, but I have?
> also heard revTalk. Most of the time I speak of Transcript, though.
> 



From coiin at rcn.com  Thu Aug 13 09:34:15 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:34:15 -0400
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <c55.52abc9fd.37b56c9b@aol.com>
References: <c55.52abc9fd.37b56c9b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <413F1CC7-E5CD-42EA-962A-6D468DC7B94D@rcn.com>


On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:18 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I vote for Transcript. It already exists and is no more homey than  
> Java. It
> is a strong, no-nonsense name.

But can you remember what Kevin said in that thread? What was the new  
name that he explained had been thought about carefully?




From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Aug 13 09:43:55 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:43:55 EDT
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
Message-ID: <d51.53223420.37b5729b@aol.com>

Colin.

No. I'll look. But I remember I did not like it.

Craig

In a message dated 8/13/09 9:34:47 AM, coiin at rcn.com writes:


> But can you remember what Kevin said in that thread? What was the new?
> name that he explained had been thought about carefully?
> 



From support at ahsomme.com  Thu Aug 13 09:43:43 2009
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:43:43 -0700
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <c55.52abc9fd.37b56c9b@aol.com>
References: <c55.52abc9fd.37b56c9b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <69EC1EFE-EEF1-4642-A83F-5C6A4763E6C4@ahsomme.com>

Craig,
I agree 100% when  you say:

"HT was saddled with "scripting" instead of "programming" ... to make  
it seem less daunting. On purpose, imagine. This greatly contributed  
to its relegation to being kids stuff. "Hypertalk" alreadysounded  
like a skateboard.

That being the case, why would you want to call the Rev language  
Tran"script"?

Paul Looney

On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:18 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> There was a short thread just a little while ago where it was  
> mentioned
> that the name of the language itself was important. That is, in  
> order to be
> taken seriously, to compete with C++ or Fortran, in other words to  
> break away
> from the hobby-like persona of Hypertalk, the name of the language  
> had to
> convey power.
>
> Had to, since it did not appear arcane in structure and syntax, at  
> least be
> named like it was raw machine code.
>
> Forget substance.
>
> HT was saddled with "scripting" instead of "programming" (note my  
> use of
> quoted literals)   to make it seem less daunting. On purpose,  
> imagine. This
> greatly contributed to its relegation to being kids stuff.  
> "Hypertalk" already
> sounded like a skateboard. It was the "Hyper", I guess.
>
> Forget substance. (note the verbosity). Mention fun or elegance at  
> your
> peril; it will not be taken seriously.
>
> Human beings (in my opinion the worst sort of people) probably need  
> the
> language to have a power name. Sort of like a power suit. I spent  
> an evening
> playing Rev with a "real" programmer who never heard of it. He  
> loved it,
> asking me about inheritance and polymorphism. We wrote gadgets ALL  
> night, playing
> especially with expression evaluation, which blew him away. He learned
> fast. Really fast. One convert.
>
> I vote for Transcript. It already exists and is no more homey than  
> Java. It
> is a strong, no-nonsense name.
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
> In a message dated 8/13/09 5:53:11 AM, m.schonewille at economy-x- 
> talk.com
> writes:
>
>
>> I don't know, Sims. I think it was changed into Revolution, but I  
>> have
>> also heard revTalk. Most of the time I speak of Transcript, though.
>>
>
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Aug 13 09:45:01 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:45:01 EDT
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
Message-ID: <c6b.5a6cdca5.37b572dd@aol.com>

Colin..

And that neither of us can remember is not a good sign.

Craig

In a message dated 8/13/09 9:34:47 AM, coiin at rcn.com writes:


> But can you remember what Kevin said in that thread? What was the new?
> name that he explained had been thought about carefully?
> 



From kevin at runrev.com  Thu Aug 13 09:45:50 2009
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:45:50 +0100
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <413F1CC7-E5CD-42EA-962A-6D468DC7B94D@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <C6A9D79E.47D5%kevin@runrev.com>

On 13/08/2009 14:34, "Colin Holgate" <coiin at rcn.com> wrote:

> But can you remember what Kevin said in that thread? What was the new
> name that he explained had been thought about carefully?

revTalk

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Aug 13 09:46:28 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:46:28 +0200
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <413F1CC7-E5CD-42EA-962A-6D468DC7B94D@rcn.com>
References: <c55.52abc9fd.37b56c9b@aol.com>
	<413F1CC7-E5CD-42EA-962A-6D468DC7B94D@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <C4A474AD-33CF-4BB2-BCD7-117FB4E32A7B@economy-x-talk.com>

That must have been Revolution. I like transcript and those who think  
that's too long or not nerdy enough can call it T ;-) Note that R is  
taken already.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 13 aug 2009, at 15:34, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:18 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
>
>> I vote for Transcript. It already exists and is no more homey than  
>> Java. It
>> is a strong, no-nonsense name.
>
> But can you remember what Kevin said in that thread? What was the  
> new name that he explained had been thought about carefully?



From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Aug 13 09:48:45 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:48:45 EDT
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
Message-ID: <bd3.446258a3.37b573bd@aol.com>

Paul.

Are you being a little tongue-in-cheek? Don't know you that well. If it was 
Colin, it would be a sure thing.

If not, I think that "Transcript" hides the "script" pretty nicely, being a 
well recognized word.

Craig

In a message dated 8/13/09 9:44:19 AM, support at ahsomme.com writes:


> That being the case, why would you want to call the Rev language?
> Tran"script"?
> 



From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Aug 13 09:51:18 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:51:18 EDT
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
Message-ID: <d53.53066e1a.37b57456@aol.com>

revtalk?

UGH! ARRRGH!

Why not call it Hypertalk instead? NO TALK!!! Even "script" is better 
than.... AARRGGGHH!!!

Craig Newman


In a message dated 8/13/09 9:46:21 AM, kevin at runrev.com writes:


> revTalk
> 



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Thu Aug 13 09:55:12 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:55:12 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Details on tRev Teacher Friday
Message-ID: <FDB525C1-D6D2-46A7-B930-D4424663EC28@me.com>

Bring your quesitons!

We'll be going through tRev's new features and enhancements:

Auto-resizing for columns
New functionality for built-in Object Browser
Build checking for tRev app itself
One-click re-install option

Many have asked for a review of some tRev nuances that are easy to miss:

Getting Object Browser to show rev stacks and plugins
Switching tools in Rev
Editing script of an owner
Inspecting properties with no-click inspection
Moving the toggle icon

Others have asked about how tRev works:

tRev brokers, agents and components
Where these reside on your system
Application vs components
Why would a re-install be necessary

Attend Teacher Friday:

    https://www2.gotomeeting.com/join/372858762

Save phone charges and use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a  
headset is recommended to eliminate microphone feedback.

Or, call in using your telephone.

Dial 914-339-0012
Access Code: 372-858-762
Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting

Meeting ID: 372-858-762

We have 15 seats available. First come; first served. Video of session  
posted Friday afternoon.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From h at FlexibleLearning.com  Thu Aug 13 09:56:12 2009
From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:56:12 +0100
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <20090813134406.CE8FE48AFE5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEMECEAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>

RevCode?

/H

-----Original Message-----


From: Colin Holgate <coiin at rcn.com>

On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:18 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I vote for Transcript. It already exists and is no more homey than  
> Java. It
> is a strong, no-nonsense name.

But can you remember what Kevin said in that thread? What was the new  
name that he explained had been thought about carefully?


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Thu Aug 13 09:58:43 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 08:58:43 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Details on tRev Teacher Friday
In-Reply-To: <FDB525C1-D6D2-46A7-B930-D4424663EC28@me.com>
References: <FDB525C1-D6D2-46A7-B930-D4424663EC28@me.com>
Message-ID: <9F653120-24CE-4E4D-95EA-1FAD3962C281@me.com>

Once again, Teacher Friday will take place LIVE:

10:00 AM, Friday, Aug 14 - Central Daylight Time / US

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Watch last week's Feature Friday video:
http://reveditor.com/feature-friday-aug-7-video-part-one

On Aug 13, 2009, at 8:55 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Bring your quesitons!
>
> We'll be going through tRev's new features and enhancements:
>
> Auto-resizing for columns
> New functionality for built-in Object Browser
> Build checking for tRev app itself
> One-click re-install option
>
> Many have asked for a review of some tRev nuances that are easy to  
> miss:
>
> Getting Object Browser to show rev stacks and plugins
> Switching tools in Rev
> Editing script of an owner
> Inspecting properties with no-click inspection
> Moving the toggle icon
>
> Others have asked about how tRev works:
>
> tRev brokers, agents and components
> Where these reside on your system
> Application vs components
> Why would a re-install be necessary
>
> Attend Teacher Friday:
>
>   https://www2.gotomeeting.com/join/372858762
>
> Save phone charges and use your microphone and speakers (VoIP) - a  
> headset is recommended to eliminate microphone feedback.
>
> Or, call in using your telephone.
>
> Dial 914-339-0012
> Access Code: 372-858-762
> Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting
>
> Meeting ID: 372-858-762
>
> We have 15 seats available. First come; first served. Video of  
> session posted Friday afternoon.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Aug 13 10:11:09 2009
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:11:09 -0400
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEMECEAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEMECEAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <D464CE28-3EAC-4363-A5F3-93C21980BBAC@all-auctions.com>

How about calling it RevScript?

Unless of course one really wants to
cover up the term "Script", then I'd
vote for RevCode.

RevTalk sounds like a chat room, not computer code!

Just one of those issues that happens when we all
don't own the company.  Oh well..

Just my 2 cents.

Rick


On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Hugh Senior wrote:

> RevCode?
>
> /H
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> From: Colin Holgate <coiin at rcn.com>
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:18 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
>
>> I vote for Transcript. It already exists and is no more homey than
>> Java. It
>> is a strong, no-nonsense name.
>
> But can you remember what Kevin said in that thread? What was the new
> name that he explained had been thought about carefully?
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu Aug 13 10:23:45 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:23:45 +0200
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEMECEAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>
References: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEMECEAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>
Message-ID: <6E415C00-24C1-420E-8FBE-412CD1E41C19@ezpzapps.com>

I had innocently asked the question because I really did not remember  
what RunRev had decided upon.

A potential client via an email asked me what language I would use  
when making something for him. I really did not remember what the dang  
new name was! I need the job and felt I had to answer right away. I  
went with Transcript as after quite some time nobody answered.

sims


From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Thu Aug 13 10:25:31 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:25:31 -0400
Subject: Script to a php file
In-Reply-To: <BB52081A-F333-46C8-9064-DB08B02DC862@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <8B547032-1C91-4ADD-BD23-849DA632FD4F@skynet.be>
	<BB52081A-F333-46C8-9064-DB08B02DC862@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <D80923BC-7A99-4D64-924B-E885A3EC2FC2@luceatlux.com>

I feel like a dummy, but I don't see the connection between a php  
variable value and the embed code you reference.  Could you please be  
more specific?

George

On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

Hi Yves,

Have a look at the default html file for revlets, particularly the  
additional parameters inside the embed tag.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 11 aug 2009, at 23:00, Yves COPPE wrote:

> Hi list
>
> I have a very easy php file
>
> <?php
> $myTx = file_get_contents('http://www.monDomaine.com/file.txt"
> echo $myTx;
> ?>
>
>
> i want to get the variable  $myTx in a revlet
>
> How can i proceed ?
>
> thanks.
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be

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From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Thu Aug 13 10:32:05 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:32:05 -0400
Subject: Using zip to package a folder with subfolders
In-Reply-To: <BB0F03FC-82E6-4B4F-8A52-0ADD1764C42E@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
	<FD53F7A8-63CB-4B19-8C30-3B861DFE1079@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CED09D35-F5BF-428D-8E1D-688AEB51535A@major.on-rev.com>
	<9BA4AA6B-AA01-4B95-B1EA-117707016F01@califex.com>
	<BB0F03FC-82E6-4B4F-8A52-0ADD1764C42E@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <EA80C236-9ACC-4870-AF87-3ED677AD5D02@luceatlux.com>

Trevor, there seems to be a problem with your code.  The last handler  
starts like

  command fileCreateAllFoldersInPath pPath, pRootPath, pPerms
      local theCheck,theError,thePathSegment

      ## Watch for double slashes /Folder/To//Something//
      ## You will not enter a never ending loop if you aren't careful.
      _stripDoubleSlash pPath
      _stripDoubleSlash pRootPath

and ends like

     ## VALIDATE ANCESTORY OF PATH
      if theError is empty then
         put char 1 to -2 of pRootPath into theCheck ## -2 gets rid of  
trailing slash
         if char 1 to (number of chars of theCheck) of pPath is not  
theCheck then
            put

Where's the rest of the (wonderfully helpful) code?  Or am I missing  
something?

George

On Aug 12, 2009, at 10:44 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

On Aug 12, 2009, at 2:37 PM, Tereza Snyder wrote:

>> Do I need to use a shell command, or can a sequence of revzip  
>> commands do the trick? What script commands are needed?

Okay, I actually forgot to include a number of handlers. I remember  
why I neglected to post this before: it has lots of supporting handlers.

I've rounded up all of the supporting handlers and added a lesson to  
Releasable Revolution. You can get all the code here (and it looks  
nice and pretty):

<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/buckets/tutorials/lessons/5870-Zipping-Unzipping-a-Folder-Using-RevZip 
 >

-- 
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Blue Mango Learning Systems
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Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com
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From coiin at rcn.com  Thu Aug 13 10:36:17 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:36:17 -0400
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <c6b.5a6cdca5.37b572dd@aol.com>
References: <c6b.5a6cdca5.37b572dd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A063FAEC-7538-4518-A52B-5BA8C08A3E10@rcn.com>


On Aug 13, 2009, at 9:45 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Colin..
>
> And that neither of us can remember is not a good sign.
>
> Craig


Craig who?




From coiin at rcn.com  Thu Aug 13 10:38:54 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:38:54 -0400
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <6E415C00-24C1-420E-8FBE-412CD1E41C19@ezpzapps.com>
References: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEMECEAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<6E415C00-24C1-420E-8FBE-412CD1E41C19@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <F33746AD-C301-4E20-B1CD-CEBFD7F0F966@rcn.com>


On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Jim Sims wrote:

> A potential client via an email asked me what language I would use  
> when making something for him. I really did not remember what the  
> dang new name was! I need the job and felt I had to answer right  
> away. I went with Transcript as after quite some time nobody answered.

That's ok, just use version 3.5. It uses Transcript.




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Aug 13 10:41:34 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:41:34 +0200
Subject: Script to a php file
In-Reply-To: <D80923BC-7A99-4D64-924B-E885A3EC2FC2@luceatlux.com>
References: <8B547032-1C91-4ADD-BD23-849DA632FD4F@skynet.be>
	<BB52081A-F333-46C8-9064-DB08B02DC862@economy-x-talk.com>
	<D80923BC-7A99-4D64-924B-E885A3EC2FC2@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <5B3E31C4-7B05-4164-8FC3-506CAEE72E3B@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi George,

You can use PHP to gnerate the HTML code, including the embedding  
code. The embedding code contains something like:

	<embed type="application/x-revolution"
		src="Name of your Stack File.revlet"
		width=320 height=320
		stack="Name of your Stack"
		requestedName=""
		instanceID=""
	></embed>

You can add a line, for example

		username="John Doe"

changing the embed tag into

	<embed type="application/x-revolution"
		src="Name of your Stack File.revlet"
		width=320 height=320
		stack="Name of your Stack"
		requestedName=""
		instanceID=""
		username="John Doe"
	></embed>


Now you can use the revletParams property of your stack to retrieve  
the variable, in this case username, and put it into a field:

put the revletParams["username"] of this stack into fld "User Name"

The HTML of your website is generated by PHP and a script in your  
stack reads the parameter that was embedded in the HTML code through  
the revletParams property.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 13 aug 2009, at 16:25, George C Brackett wrote:

> I feel like a dummy, but I don't see the connection between a php  
> variable value and the embed code you reference.  Could you please  
> be more specific?
>
> George



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 13 10:43:24 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:43:24 +0000
Subject: Re-2: Script to a php file
Message-ID: <0003807E.4A8442AA@the-office.us>

Hi George,

use put URL.
The command  put URL "http://matthias.on-rev.com/time.php" into tPHP

puts the complete output of the php file into tPHP.

Checkit out at http://matthias.on-rev.com/phpvar.html

HTH,

Regards,

Matthias



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Script to a php file (13-Aug-2009 16:28)
From:    George C Brackett <gbrackett at luceatlux.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> I feel like a dummy, but I don't see the connection between a php  
> variable value and the embed code you reference.  Could you please be  
> more specific?
> 
> George
> 
> On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> 
> Hi Yves,
> 
> Have a look at the default html file for revlets, particularly the  
> additional parameters inside the embed tag.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> 
> Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
> 
> On 11 aug 2009, at 23:00, Yves COPPE wrote:
> 
> > Hi list
> >
> > I have a very easy php file
> >
> > <?php
> > $myTx = file_get_contents('http://www.monDomaine.com/file.txt"
> > echo $myTx;
> > ?>
> >
> >
> > i want to get the variable  $myTx in a revlet
> >
> > How can i proceed ?
> >
> > thanks.
> >
> > Greetings.
> >
> > Yves COPPE
> > yvescoppe at skynet.be
> 
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Aug 13 10:53:44 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:53:44 EDT
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
Message-ID: <d2e.461ab080.37b582f8@aol.com>

Colin.

I was saying, pointedly, that the name itself did not stick; therefore the 
branding was rather less successful than, say, Kleenex.

I did not mean to imply that we were losing our faculties.

I am actually disheartened at the new name because I thiink it matters. But 
maybe like "Avenue of the Americas" in Manhattan, perhaps nobody will ever 
use it.

Craig


In a message dated 8/13/09 10:36:57 AM, coiin at rcn.com writes:


> Craig who?
> 



From coiin at rcn.com  Thu Aug 13 10:58:10 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:58:10 -0400
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <d2e.461ab080.37b582f8@aol.com>
References: <d2e.461ab080.37b582f8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <51717719-175C-40F8-9CF6-3B9098B5A423@rcn.com>


On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:53 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> I am actually disheartened at the new name because I thiink it  
> matters. But
> maybe like "Avenue of the Americas" in Manhattan, perhaps nobody  
> will ever
> use it.


You're saying that revTalk is like a 6th Ave Generation programming  
language?

Personally I never liked Transcript, it was way too clever a name, so  
I don't mind.




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Aug 13 11:10:19 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:10:19 -0600
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <c55.52abc9fd.37b56c9b@aol.com>
References: <c55.52abc9fd.37b56c9b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6B1891D5-7459-4316-8F0D-65F895046DEA@byu.edu>


On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:18 AM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> There was a short thread just a little while ago where it was  
> mentioned
> that the name of the language itself was important. That is, in  
> order to be
> taken seriously, to compete with C++ or Fortran, in other words to  
> break away
> from the hobby-like persona of Hypertalk, the name of the language  
> had to
> convey power.
>
> Had to, since it did not appear arcane in structure and syntax, at  
> least be
> named like it was raw machine code.
>
> Forget substance.
>
> HT was saddled with "scripting" instead of "programming" (note my  
> use of
> quoted literals)   to make it seem less daunting. On purpose,  
> imagine. This
> greatly contributed to its relegation to being kids stuff.  
> "Hypertalk" already
> sounded like a skateboard. It was the "Hyper", I guess.
>
> Forget substance. (note the verbosity). Mention fun or elegance at  
> your
> peril; it will not be taken seriously.
>
> Human beings (in my opinion the worst sort of people) probably need  
> the
> language to have a power name. Sort of like a power suit. I spent an  
> evening
> playing Rev with a "real" programmer who never heard of it. He loved  
> it,
> asking me about inheritance and polymorphism. We wrote gadgets ALL  
> night, playing
> especially with expression evaluation, which blew him away. He learned
> fast. Really fast. One convert.
>
> I vote for Transcript. It already exists and is no more homey than  
> Java. It
> is a strong, no-nonsense name.

You all saw Kevin's post. It's a done deal: revTalk.

Craig, here's why I think your (and others') concerns are probably  
outdated:

Scripting: Maybe it was a dirty word in the '80s and '90s. But that  
was then. Today we have JavaScript and ActionScript. Even "real"  
programmers take them seriously. So "scripting" doesn't carry the  
negative connotation it used to.

HyperCard and HyperTalk are ancient history. The new generation of  
programmers might have heard the names, but probably know next to  
nothing about them. People will judge Revolution on its merits when  
they see what it can do. And they'll project their impression onto the  
scripting language, whatever it's named. Do you think your programmer  
friend will think Rev is less cool when he hears revTalk?

That said, the switch from Transcript to Revolution barely caused a  
blip on the radar screen. I don't think this change for the scripting  
language will either.

My $.02.

Best regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Thu Aug 13 11:18:45 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:18:45 -0400
Subject: Re-2: Script to a php file
In-Reply-To: <0003807E.4A8442AA@the-office.us>
References: <0003807E.4A8442AA@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <95DA4DB5-0416-4B6B-9673-3CFF332BED13@luceatlux.com>

Thanks Matthias and Mark -- two solutions, one question.  How lucky  
can a guy be?

George

On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:43 AM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:

Hi George,

use put URL.
The command  put URL "http://matthias.on-rev.com/time.php" into tPHP

puts the complete output of the php file into tPHP.

Checkit out at http://matthias.on-rev.com/phpvar.html

HTH,

Regards,

Matthias



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Script to a php file (13-Aug-2009 16:28)
From:    George C Brackett <gbrackett at luceatlux.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> I feel like a dummy, but I don't see the connection between a php
> variable value and the embed code you reference.  Could you please be
> more specific?
>
> George
>
> On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:07 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>
> Hi Yves,
>
> Have a look at the default html file for revlets, particularly the
> additional parameters inside the embed tag.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
> On 11 aug 2009, at 23:00, Yves COPPE wrote:
>
>> Hi list
>>
>> I have a very easy php file
>>
>> <?php
>> $myTx = file_get_contents('http://www.monDomaine.com/file.txt"
>> echo $myTx;
>> ?>
>>
>>
>> i want to get the variable  $myTx in a revlet
>>
>> How can i proceed ?
>>
>> thanks.
>>
>> Greetings.
>>
>> Yves COPPE
>> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Aug 13 11:38:34 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:38:34 +0300
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <6E415C00-24C1-420E-8FBE-412CD1E41C19@ezpzapps.com>
References: <EDEJIJJCKEHACBBDLIONAEMECEAA.h@FlexibleLearning.com>
	<6E415C00-24C1-420E-8FBE-412CD1E41C19@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <4A84337A.7050007@ekoinf.net>

I usually say "Runtime Revolution IDE". Most people here (in Europe) 
have at least heard about it. But it is called Revolution in the tiobe 
programming community index 
(http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html). And 
there is absolutely no reason to avoid word "script". Not the name of 
the language but the result of its use in business is what matters... 
There are other languages widely in use with non-aggressive and totally 
non-cool names also including the word "script" like Smalltalk, 
JavaScript, JavaFX Script, ABAP, Lua, Ada, Alice, Focus, Groovy, Boo, 
Clean, Euphoria, Squirrel and even MOO and MUMPS (!!!) etc...

All the best
Viktoras

Jim Sims wrote:
> I had innocently asked the question because I really did not remember 
> what RunRev had decided upon.
>
> A potential client via an email asked me what language I would use 
> when making something for him. I really did not remember what the dang 
> new name was! I need the job and felt I had to answer right away. I 
> went with Transcript as after quite some time nobody answered.
>
> sims
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Thu Aug 13 11:42:36 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:42:36 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Snow Leopard sooner than expected?
Message-ID: <3C6A9FF2-6070-48E3-B392-736574F6A62C@me.com>

Mac users,

Pretty good rumor circulating stating that Mac's newest, shiniest OS  
Snow Leopard may be available soon.

Here's a post we did on it:

    http://reveditor.com/snow-leopard-sooner-then-expected

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Aug 13 11:55:26 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:55:26 EDT
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
Message-ID: <c79.600e6a43.37b5916e@aol.com>

I so hope this turns out to be true. I spent years defending HC. I don't 
want to have to defend Rev.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 8/13/09 11:39:12 AM, viktoras at ekoinf.net writes:


> Not the name of
> the language but the result of its use in business is what matters...
> 



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Aug 13 11:57:37 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:57:37 -0400
Subject: Using zip to package a folder with subfolders
In-Reply-To: <EA80C236-9ACC-4870-AF87-3ED677AD5D02@luceatlux.com>
References: <9A2BBB68-1B7E-4610-B6B7-695664D4E355@califex.com>
	<FD53F7A8-63CB-4B19-8C30-3B861DFE1079@economy-x-talk.com>
	<CED09D35-F5BF-428D-8E1D-688AEB51535A@major.on-rev.com>
	<9BA4AA6B-AA01-4B95-B1EA-117707016F01@califex.com>
	<BB0F03FC-82E6-4B4F-8A52-0ADD1764C42E@mangomultimedia.com>
	<EA80C236-9ACC-4870-AF87-3ED677AD5D02@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <569C0963-B299-4C3F-9C3C-B0123F699870@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:32 AM, George C Brackett wrote:

> Trevor, there seems to be a problem with your code.  The last  
> handler starts like
>
> ...
> Where's the rest of the (wonderfully helpful) code?  Or am I missing  
> something?

Turns out that MySQL was truncating the code that I uploaded. TEXT  
columns in MySQL will silently truncate any value over 64,000  
characters. Changed the field type to MEDIUMTEXT and all is well now.

<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/buckets/tutorials/lessons/5870-Zipping-Unzipping-a-Folder-Using-RevZip 
 >

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 12:06:09 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:06:09 +0300
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <c79.600e6a43.37b5916e@aol.com>
References: <c79.600e6a43.37b5916e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A8439F1.8070403@gmail.com>

I cannot see why there is a need to have a name that is distinct from
the IDE unless, like Chairman Mao, we are going to let "a thousand
flowers bloom" (and we all know what that led to - I suppose the
equivalent of Ballet dancers with broken legs [lest we forget, now we
are all making fast and furious love to the Mainland Chinese] is
programmers with smashed fingers).

I tell people who want to know that I work WITH Runtime Revolution,
and that my programs are CODED IN Runtime Revolution.

Yes, RevTalk, can sound a bit like a chat client,

and

Transcript sounds like an official translation with an Apostil
from the embassy.

I, personally  like RevTalk, but for silly, emotional reasons.


From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Aug 13 12:16:18 2009
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:16:18 -0400
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <4A8439F1.8070403@gmail.com>
References: <c79.600e6a43.37b5916e@aol.com> <4A8439F1.8070403@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <772837E0-0959-4CC8-BBEF-6EC0E14EC99F@all-auctions.com>

Someone just suggested to me that
RevTalk sounds like an online forum
for Reverends!  LOL

Just thought I'd lighten things up.

Rick

On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I cannot see why there is a need to have a name that is distinct from
> the IDE unless, like Chairman Mao, we are going to let "a thousand
> flowers bloom" (and we all know what that led to - I suppose the
> equivalent of Ballet dancers with broken legs [lest we forget, now we
> are all making fast and furious love to the Mainland Chinese] is
> programmers with smashed fingers).
>
> I tell people who want to know that I work WITH Runtime Revolution,
> and that my programs are CODED IN Runtime Revolution.
>
> Yes, RevTalk, can sound a bit like a chat client,
>
> and
>
> Transcript sounds like an official translation with an Apostil
> from the embassy.
>
> I, personally  like RevTalk, but for silly, emotional reasons.
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__________________________________
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You can buy my $10 music album "Funny Time Machine" digital CD on the  
iTunes Store Now!

To visit the iTunes Store now to listen to samples of my CD please  
click on the
following link.  (Please note you must have iTunes installed on your  
computer for this link to work.)

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playListId=213668290




From lists at futilism.com  Thu Aug 13 12:27:04 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:27:04 +0100
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <772837E0-0959-4CC8-BBEF-6EC0E14EC99F@all-auctions.com>
References: <c79.600e6a43.37b5916e@aol.com> <4A8439F1.8070403@gmail.com>
	<772837E0-0959-4CC8-BBEF-6EC0E14EC99F@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <9243CA6B-393C-4E6E-AA95-389F42A03549@futilism.com>

And, of course, if the new server-side stuff gets popular, lots of  
people will be calling it "irev".
Which also sounds like some kind of priestly activity, or maybe  
Apple's new sermon-processor... :)

Mark

On 13 Aug 2009, at 17:16, Rick Harrison wrote:

> Someone just suggested to me that
> RevTalk sounds like an online forum
> for Reverends!  LOL
>
> Just thought I'd lighten things up.
>
> Rick
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Aug 13 12:29:35 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:29:35 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Snow Leopard sooner than expected?
In-Reply-To: <3C6A9FF2-6070-48E3-B392-736574F6A62C@me.com>
References: <3C6A9FF2-6070-48E3-B392-736574F6A62C@me.com>
Message-ID: <127165291281.20090813092935@ahsoftware.net>

Jerry-

Thursday, August 13, 2009, 8:42:36 AM, you wrote:

> Pretty good rumor circulating stating that Mac's newest, shiniest OS
> Snow Leopard may be available soon.

> Here's a post we did on it:

>     http://reveditor.com/snow-leopard-sooner-then-expected

Cool. I followed the link at the bottom and placed my order. Had to
laugh at Amazon's automatic "similar items" algorithm: top of the list
is Windows 7 for $119. I'm not sure what the logic is here: since I'm
ordering an OS, maybe I'd be swayed by a different one?

And there's an interesting lesson about web site design to be learned
here as well. Among all the extraneous items Amazon cluttered up the
page with (similar items, items I've viewed recently, items
recommended by my past purchase history, the come-on for Amazon Prime,
several similar-looking buttons for the shopping cart, etc.) it took
me a *long* time to find the Checkout button. Yes, even though it was
right there in front of me *somewhere* on the web page and even though
I've been through the process before. You'd think they'd make it the
object that would attract your attention the most rather than risking
the loss of a sale.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 12:42:37 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:42:37 +0300
Subject: PPC says 'BOO' to Snow Leopard . . .
Message-ID: <4A84427D.2010606@gmail.com>

Yes, you guessed it, it's the latter-day Intel-Luddite

[or, Richmond making a virtue out of being unable to buy
an Intel Mac . . .  :)  ]

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Seriously, if, like me, you are blessed with one or three
PPC Macintosh PCs and, for whatever reason (!!!!!!) you
are likely to be using them a bit yet, and wondering
about the hype about Mac OS 10.6 being a "leaner,
slimmer, meaner" OS, while being well aware that,
as far as Mac-native OS s go (well, you could run
Ubuntu PPC - although I wonder what could possibly
be the advantage) the line, for you, stops at 10.5. X.

Well, for quite a few years I have been making my
machine somewhat "leaner, slimmer and meaner"
by using 'Monolingual' to remove Classic, ARM, Intel
and other unnecessary code from apps:

http://monolingual.sourceforge.net/

it removes all those hundreds of languages you
don't read, speak or have a desperate urge to learn,
trimming the 'fat' quite considerably.

For the sake of argument, my sister is reasonable
in speaking Amharic (she cannot read it) - mainly because
her work has taken her to Ethiopia many times, I am not;
having Amharic on my system just adds to the 'junk'
that has to beloaded in and out of RAM, as well as
hogging my hard-drives, everytime I use a program
containing Amharic language files.
------------------------------------------------------------------

This:  http://www.index-site.com/Macosxspeed.html

------------------------------------------------------------------

Applejack:  http://applejack.sourceforge.net/

gets you out of some sticky patches.

------------------------------------------------------------------

http://s.sudre.free.fr/Software/Diablotin.html

Lets you see what is eating up all your RAM,
and turn things off.
------------------------------------------------------------------

And on that happy note all I can say is how much I
am looking forwards to getting my BBC Micro from
the attic in St Andrews after the conference!



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Aug 13 12:45:58 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 09:45:58 -0700
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <6B1891D5-7459-4316-8F0D-65F895046DEA@byu.edu>
References: <c55.52abc9fd.37b56c9b@aol.com>
	<6B1891D5-7459-4316-8F0D-65F895046DEA@byu.edu>
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Devin-

Thursday, August 13, 2009, 8:10:19 AM, you wrote:

> That said, the switch from Transcript to Revolution barely caused a
> blip on the radar screen.

I think that was because nobody paid any attention to that name
change. Do you recall anyone actually referring to the language as
"Revolution"? Thankfully that fad passed into obscurity.

"RevTalk" sounds like a motivational seminar for a sales team...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Aug 13 12:47:18 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:47:18 -0600
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
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On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Devin-
>
> Thursday, August 13, 2009, 8:10:19 AM, you wrote:
>
>> That said, the switch from Transcript to Revolution barely caused a
>> blip on the radar screen.
>
> I think that was because nobody paid any attention to that name
> change. Do you recall anyone actually referring to the language as
> "Revolution"? Thankfully that fad passed into obscurity.
>
> "RevTalk" sounds like a motivational seminar for a sales team...

I dunno... I sorta like the chat room for clerics...

Devin




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Aug 13 12:48:10 2009
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:48:10 +0100
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
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My biggest priority for a new name is that it should be a sufficiently good 
choice to avoid being changed again.   We've been through MetaTalk -> 
Transcript -> Revolution -> (new name);   Each time the name is changed, a 
whole lot of efforts to raising awareness is lost, and useful information 
becomes further fragmented and hard to find.  Personally I never took any 
notice of the last change and continued to refer to the language as 
Revolution.  No doubt some still refer to it as MetaTalk.

My second biggest priority for a name is that it be unique and hence 
searchable.  Revolution and Transcript both failed that test.  If Transcript 
hadn't, I'd have argued more strongly for going back to it in accordance with 
the above.  RevTalk meets that test.

The context for the new name is that RunRev are renaming all their products to 
clarify them, and I think that's a good thing.  By renaming them all to unique 
compound pseudo words, they also become more searchable: ie "revStudio" is 
better than "Revolution Studio".  My remaining concern is that it would be 
better if the language name was orthoganal to, rather than in line with, the 
various product names:
	revMedia
	revStudio
	revEnterprise
	revWeb

	revlets
	revTalk
	RevSelect *

	RunRev *

RunRev is easy to see as something that goes across all the above.  In an 
ideal world (ie, one in which I am in charge of everything) revTalk would be 
more distinguished - actually I'd have suggested reversing all the others to 
mediaRev, studioRev etc) rather than looking like it's one among the set.

Beyond these three concerns, while I have minor views and preferences among 
revCode, revScript, revTalk etc, I think that's the least important aspect of 
the name.

But it's all moot anyway: RunRev have launched a new name, "revTalk".  That's 
what it is now.

Ben

* capitalisation of these elements is less obviously fixed, at least in the 
current iteration of the RunRev (or runrev) website.



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 12:52:11 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:52:11 +0100
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
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It's not really our decision, no matter how long we have used
HyperTalk/Metacard/Revolution for.... Runrev did their survey and
asked us what we thought about the various options.  If someone missed
their opportunity to voice an opinion at that stage it's unfortunate.
But even for those of us who did voice an opinion, it was just our
opinion (at this stage I can't even remember what preferences I
expressed).

Personally I liked 'transcript' as the name of the language, because
it conveyed the fundamental aims of being cross-platform and being one
of the most dynamically scriptable (as opposed to compilable)
languages.

Having said that, I'm quite sure that having a distinctive term like
'irev' or 'revtalk' (as much as they might go against my aesthetics or
philosophy) is going to serve Runrev the company (and hopefully
Revolution the IDE) well.  If Revolution is going to become a fish in
a bigger pond of web scripting/browser plugins, people are going to
need to be able to search on google/yahoo for information, references,
blogs, etc.  Words like 'Revolution' or 'Transcript' by themselves
return far too many hits that are not relevant for prospective users.

Just my 2c.

Bernard

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:51 PM, <DunbarX at aol.com> wrote:
> revtalk?
>
> UGH! ARRRGH!
>
> Why not call it Hypertalk instead? NO TALK!!! Even "script" is better
> than.... AARRGGGHH!!!
>
> Craig Newman


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu Aug 13 12:54:23 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:54:23 +0200
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <B93FFFC0-C57A-4CCE-87EB-A98D617A8E8E@byu.edu>
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On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

>
> I dunno... I sorta like the chat room for clerics...

I wish I never started this thread. Now I'll always be thinking  
Reverend Ike when I hear iRev.

Dang.

sims




From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 13:05:27 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:05:27 +0100
Subject: revLet Visual Effect
In-Reply-To: <2BE92C0F-CCB6-435D-8112-74FC85AE337A@kenjikojima.com>
References: <2BE92C0F-CCB6-435D-8112-74FC85AE337A@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908131005p72b35e56g91c2b225781f7442@mail.gmail.com>

I've not had a look at revlets, but there are many bug reports in
quality.runrev.com about visual effects being broken in various ways
every couple of years.  I reported them as being widely broken in
October 2008, and that bug is still open:

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7358

Bernard

On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Kenji Kojima<index at kenjikojima.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can I use visual effects of revlet?
> I tried a move to another card, and lock screen.
> But both of them were no effects.
>
> Visual effects of the stack worked under the development environment.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Kenji Kojima
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Aug 13 13:06:31 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:06:31 +0300
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
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References: <d51.53223420.37b5729b@aol.com> <4A8443CA.4080702@cogapp.com>
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have just tried googling for revTalk. So far it got 736 hits. Many are 
articles or discussions about, well, revTalk, some of them about 
radiators, but mostly about runtime revolution, and some quite 
interesting. That's good :-)

Viktoras


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Aug 13 13:06:45 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:06:45 -0600
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
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On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Jim Sims wrote:

>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>>
>> I dunno... I sorta like the chat room for clerics...
>
> I wish I never started this thread. Now I'll always be thinking
> Reverend Ike when I hear iRev.

Okay, how about something cooler--a chat board for drag racing!!

Go, Speed Racer!

Devin



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 13:15:52 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:15:52 +0300
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
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Jim Sims wrote:
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>>
>> I dunno... I sorta like the chat room for clerics...
The simile could be extended:

RevEnterprise   as the Cathedral of Revolution

RevStudio  as the Abbey of Revolution

RevMedia  as the Las Vegas Drive-In Wedding Chapel of Revolution

and

MetaCard as the Heretical Bunch.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Of course after the world-domination of revTalk we would have
the inevitable Reformation with such things as:

RevProd

(the version where there is a move away from the trinitarian
emphasis on Stack, Object and Script towards a more simplistic
view of everything subsisting in the St**k - and, of course, we write
THE NAME THAT CANNOT BE UTTERED in this way to preserve its sanctity -).


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 13:17:37 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:17:37 +0300
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
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Devin Asay wrote:
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 10:54 AM, Jim Sims wrote:
>
>> On Aug 13, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Devin Asay wrote:
>>>
>>> I dunno... I sorta like the chat room for clerics...
>> I wish I never started this thread. Now I'll always be thinking
>> Reverend Ike when I hear iRev.
> Okay, how about something cooler--a chat board for drag racing!!
>
> Go, Speed Racer!
>
> Devin

> Oh, My God, and I thought I was the only one who wore DRAG
while he was programming . . . LOL


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Aug 13 13:42:21 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:42:21 -0700
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
Message-ID: <4A84507D.8020608@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

 > I cannot see why there is a need to have a name that is distinct from
 > the IDE...

Because words have meaning.  Forgive the seeming tautology, but there's 
a point to this:

The programming language is not the same thing as the IDE, or even as 
the engine on which the IDE sits. While all three are inextricably bound 
together, each is a separate thing; each deserves some way to refer to 
it without confusing it for something else.

The problem many had with using "Revolution" to describe both the 
product and its language is that it removed any concise way to 
distinguish exactly what it was you were talking about.

Now with "RevMedia", "RevStudio", and "RevEnterprise" as the product 
names and "RevTalk" as the language name we have the branding 
consistency that was desired but without the ambiguity.

Devin's points about "*Talk" are spot-on, IMO.  I rarely meet anyone 
who's even heard of HyperCard any more, and since we're talking about a 
language whose main selling point is its English-like syntax, using 
"*Talk" makes that clearer than "*Code" or even "*Script".

RunRev Ltd. has undertaken a good deal revision to both their branding 
and the product line over the years, but I can honestly say this is the 
first time I feel the changes have unqualified merit.

RevMedia, the browser plugin, and the server engine are all free, things 
which some of us have been advocating for years as essential to 
evangelizing the language.

The branding across the product line is more consistent than ever, and 
at long last uses terms which don't pull up 30 pages of non-Rev-related 
results in SERPs.

A+ across the board.


 > MetaCard as the Heretical Bunch.

Know the engine.
Trust the engine.
Use the engine.

;)

Reduce the differences between development and runtime, and you reduce 
time-to-market.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Aug 13 13:52:37 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:52:37 -0700
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
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viktoras-

Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:06:31 AM, you wrote:

> have just tried googling for revTalk. So far it got 736 hits. Many are
> articles or discussions about, well, revTalk, some of them about 
> radiators, but mostly about runtime revolution, and some quite 
> interesting. That's good :-)

You must have a different Google from what I'm using. I just tried it,
got 5190 hits, and the only thing I've found so far even remotely
related to runrev (aside from the PR releases from July) is a
mail-archive link to this discussion. Otherwise I'm seeing hits about
ruby, snowmobiles, leptons...

I see that while revtalk.com is registered but not in use, revtalk.net
is apparently up for grabs...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Aug 13 14:23:04 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:23:04 +0300
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
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Hi Mark,

well, now I have 408 hits, but on 10th page it indicates. Ok, its on 
www.google.lt. And 5190 hits from www.google.ru, google.de. But again 
only 408 hits on www.google.jp...

Indeed these are mostly press releases, although some "3rd-party" 
discussions like this one: 
http://www.directorforum.com/showthread.php?t=5023.

When I choose the last results' page google.jp now indicates 116, 
google.lt 88 hits. Results page 10-th indicates 740 matches. Buggy google?..

Viktoras

Mark Wieder wrote:
> viktoras-
>
> Thursday, August 13, 2009, 10:06:31 AM, you wrote:
>
>   
>> have just tried googling for revTalk. So far it got 736 hits. Many are
>> articles or discussions about, well, revTalk, some of them about 
>> radiators, but mostly about runtime revolution, and some quite 
>> interesting. That's good :-)
>>     
>
> You must have a different Google from what I'm using. I just tried it,
> got 5190 hits, and the only thing I've found so far even remotely
> related to runrev (aside from the PR releases from July) is a
> mail-archive link to this discussion. Otherwise I'm seeing hits about
> ruby, snowmobiles, leptons...
>
> I see that while revtalk.com is registered but not in use, revtalk.net
> is apparently up for grabs...
>
>   



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 14:43:52 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:43:52 +0300
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
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Well, I 'googled' revTalk, and apart from the chap
with the snow-mobile  :)

I got lots of "English-like programming language". . .

Which, while, possibly, attracting some people,

WILL drive away quite a few more.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Facetious section following.
----------------------------------------------------------------

RichmondTalk; the new English-like programming language.

Examples code in RichmondTalk  ('RTalk' for REAL programmers):

Get me my coffee!

Please, put sugar in my coffee.

This tastes like muck.

----------------------------------------------------------------
Serious point approaching.
----------------------------------------------------------------

My 'RichmondTalk', apart from antagonising my wife,
would not do much good anywhere. However, it is
"English-like".

Now we all know that some programming languages look like
goddledygook except to the initiated . . .

However, the language used in Runtime Revolution (writes he, delicately
sidestepping the controversy) is nothing like 'RichmondTalk', and
nothing like Zilog.

--------------------------------------------------------------------
First of all; in computer programming languages everything
must be explicitly stated, while in human languages so much
is implicit, or is encoded in non-verbal ways.
--------------------------------------------------------------------

IFF, Runtime Revolution want to carry on appealing to the
Saturday-afternoon hobbyist crowd then 'English-like' might
be OK.

BUT, I wonder (apart from the Las Vegas Drive-In Wedding Chapel)
how many people who are prepared to pay ?125 are Saturday-afternoon
hobbyists.

While I DON'T think revTalk sounds like kiddy-time (although it does
sound a bit like the Synod of the Church of Scotland), I do think
that the continued emphasis on 'English-like' maybe a mistake . . .

especially as so much of the more recherche revTalk scripts look
nothing like English. . .  :)


From fredrik at morbug.se  Thu Aug 13 15:45:56 2009
From: fredrik at morbug.se (Fredrik Andersson)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 21:45:56 +0200
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <4A845EE8.8060303@gmail.com>
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Hi,

I'm one of those Saturday-afternoon hobbyists that have invested in  
Rev. I've always been interested in programming but I've never coded  
anything major. There were mainly four things that in the end made me  
invest:

1) Rapid prototyping and development - I could write an simple utility  
in an hour instead of a week and a competent application in a  
relatively short while
2) Cross platform - I use a Mac but most people I knew (and work) used  
Windows PC's so that came in very handy
3) Chunks - Compared to the other languages I've tried this is by far  
the easiest with regard to string and file handling. Most of my  
applications read some kind of data, process it and displays it  
through a DataGrid or something similar.
4) Variables - I don't have to declare them and I can put almost  
everything in there. Great stuff!

The english-like language wasn't a selling point for me and have  
sometimes been a bit of a problem, probably because I'm swedish ;) I  
often write "in"  instead of "into" or "of" (or the other way around),  
and I sometimes have problems finding the right commands in the  
Dictionary. revTalk can also be a little long-winded: "a=1" is easier  
to write than "put 1 into a", and referring to controls on a specific  
card can be a bit bothersome. I'm also a bit uneasy about having  
scripts in a million places in my application but a good Object  
browser (Like in tRev for instance) helps a lot.

I do love Revolution and I've started to develop a few applications  
for work (I used to it do in VBA which was a bit limiting) and it's  
worked out great so far.

I'm currently about to renew my license for another year and I hope  
Rev will become even better during the next year.

Regards,

Fredrik


13 aug 2009 kl. 20.43 skrev Richmond Mathewson:
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> First of all; in computer programming languages everything
> must be explicitly stated, while in human languages so much
> is implicit, or is encoded in non-verbal ways.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> IFF, Runtime Revolution want to carry on appealing to the
> Saturday-afternoon hobbyist crowd then 'English-like' might
> be OK.
>
> BUT, I wonder (apart from the Las Vegas Drive-In Wedding Chapel)
> how many people who are prepared to pay ?125 are Saturday-afternoon
> hobbyists.
>
> While I DON'T think revTalk sounds like kiddy-time (although it does
> sound a bit like the Synod of the Church of Scotland), I do think
> that the continued emphasis on 'English-like' maybe a mistake . . .
>
> especially as so much of the more recherche revTalk scripts look
> nothing like English. . .  :)
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Aug 13 15:54:54 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 22:54:54 +0300
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
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Hi Richmond,

quite possibly. I found something like this while googling for revTalk 
(sorry I am not sure if this is correct ):
Le language, nomm? /revTalk/, utilise des phrases en anglais, ce qui 
r?duit la complexit? de d?veloppement d'applications.....

While it is true it is somehow out of context in the sentence which is 
written in French. Being a non-native English speaker I would possibly 
prefer "Human language-like programming language" otherwise one assumes 
he must first learn English before he can start writing software in 
revTalk. Besides it is not the reason some of us started programming in 
revTalk. Completeness and simplicity of the development cycle for GUI 
software for 3 platforms is the likely reason. In fact most other 
programming languages and SQL are also based on English language syntax 
so it is not a unique feature at all ;-)

Viktoras

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Well, I 'googled' revTalk, and apart from the chap
> with the snow-mobile  :)
>
> I got lots of "English-like programming language". . .
>
> Which, while, possibly, attracting some people,
>
> WILL drive away quite a few more.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Aug 13 15:56:51 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:56:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <4A84507D.8020608@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A84507D.8020608@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0908131252350.28246@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Indeed, and therein lies the problem: there have been WAYYYYY TOOOOO MANY 
of them!

Anytime I mention it to someone, I have to think, "oh g*d, what are we 
supposed to be calling it these days?!"  :-/

Revolution, DreamCard, Rev, er, Studio?  Media?  onRev? Revlet? RevCode? 
Transcript? RevTalk?

I recently had a student from nearly 10 years ago decide to revisit Rev. 
What did we call it then?  What if he couldn't find it?

Judy

On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Because words have meaning.  Forgive the seeming tautology, but there's a 
> point to this:


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Aug 13 16:02:56 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:02:56 -0700
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
Message-ID: <4A847170.4040402@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> First of all; in computer programming languages everything
> must be explicitly stated, while in human languages so much
> is implicit, or is encoded in non-verbal ways.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> IFF, Runtime Revolution want to carry on appealing to the
> Saturday-afternoon hobbyist crowd then 'English-like' might
> be OK.
> 
> BUT, I wonder (apart from the Las Vegas Drive-In Wedding Chapel)
> how many people who are prepared to pay ?125 are Saturday-afternoon
> hobbyists.

I agree that the scripting audience once identified as "the inventive 
user" is largely mythic in the modern world; such personality types 
exist but in the post-HyperCard/post-BASIC world are more attracted to 
the many available point-and-click systems for the specific tasks they 
might be interested in.  Long gone are the days when buying a computer 
always meant learning to write your own programs.

Modern scripters probably already know a language, or two or three, and 
chances are at least one of those is JavaScript.

So why would "English-like" appeal to them?

Because the true cost of using a new language isn't the IDE price.  Far 
more expensive is the time it takes to learn the new language.  If a 
scripter can grok Rev in far less time than it would take her to pick up 
any other second language, Rev's chances of being that second language 
increase.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 16:03:25 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:03:25 +0300
Subject: Raw Prawns
Message-ID: <4A84718D.6030304@gmail.com>

Just a side effect of my current work;

a handy reference image of RawKeyDown values

http://mathewson.110mb.com/raws.html


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Aug 13 16:02:04 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:02:04 -0700
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <4A845A08.6000600@ekoinf.net>
References: <d51.53223420.37b5729b@aol.com> <4A8443CA.4080702@cogapp.com>
	<4A844817.8010601@ekoinf.net>
	<55170272562.20090813105237@ahsoftware.net>
	<4A845A08.6000600@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <197178040062.20090813130204@ahsoftware.net>

viktoras-

Thursday, August 13, 2009, 11:23:04 AM, you wrote:

> Indeed these are mostly press releases, although some "3rd-party"
> discussions like this one: 
> http://www.directorforum.com/showthread.php?t=5023.

Thanks for that link. Good read.

I especially liked Troy Rollins' comment about programming in Trans...
er... whatever...

"You don't have to do any mental translation. Several times I've
written a comment about what the next line of script was going to do,
and then realized that *was* the line of script I needed to write.
Just uncomment it, and run it."

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 16:18:33 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 23:18:33 +0300
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <197178040062.20090813130204@ahsoftware.net>
References: <d51.53223420.37b5729b@aol.com>
	<4A8443CA.4080702@cogapp.com>	<4A844817.8010601@ekoinf.net>	<55170272562.20090813105237@ahsoftware.net>	<4A845A08.6000600@ekoinf.net>
	<197178040062.20090813130204@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4A847519.7090207@gmail.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> viktoras-
>
> Thursday, August 13, 2009, 11:23:04 AM, you wrote:
>
>   
>> Indeed these are mostly press releases, although some "3rd-party"
>> discussions like this one: 
>> http://www.directorforum.com/showthread.php?t=5023.
>>     
>
> Thanks for that link. Good read.
>
> I especially liked Troy Rollins' comment about programming in Trans...
> er... whatever...
>   
Very "Rocky Horror Picture Show" methinks!

Looking forward to seeing you in your Spandex in Edinburgh  :)
> "You don't have to do any mental translation. Several times I've
> written a comment about what the next line of script was going to do,
> and then realized that *was* the line of script I needed to write.
> Just uncomment it, and run it."
>
>   
Not many people are going to believe this, but, here goes:

I am currently working on a way to type classical Sanskrit documents
cross-platform; this involves 4 things (which, luckily I possess):

1. A working knowledge of Devanagari (the dominant syllabic-alphabetic
writing system used for Sanskrit).

2. A moderate knowledge of Runtime Revolution.

3. Knowledge of unicode fonts and how they are made.

4. Bordering certifiable lunacy.

Yesterday I programmed for 9 hours flat (see point #4); which didn't
just involve the donkey-work of repetitive code, but thinking my way
through a tricky logical labyrinth.

That was after teaching EFL kids all day!

I went to bed and DREAMT in Revolution all night!!!



From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 13 16:22:52 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 13:22:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: revLet Visual Effect
In-Reply-To: <2BE92C0F-CCB6-435D-8112-74FC85AE337A@kenjikojima.com>
References: <2BE92C0F-CCB6-435D-8112-74FC85AE337A@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <24958105.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Kenji,

In Windows XP, visual effects does not shows in the
revWeb plug-in. All transitions are just like
show and hide, ocurring instantly.

Somehow, i suspect that this is related with screen redraw
of plug-in inside the browser. Redrawing the plug-in
area and processing mouse messages seems to
have their share of problems.

Notice that dragging any object inside a revlet shows
a really sluggish response:

(for example dragging a point to reshape a vector graphic
inside this revlet: http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test02.html)

but movement controled by scripts works really fine.

(for example, both Walking figures in revlet i posted,
http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test03.html
and ball movements in Jim Hurley's pool game: "NineBall")

Check this by yourself, comparing these revlets in your browser
http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test01.html
http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test02.html
http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test03.html
with the stacks running in the desktop:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/exportVector_v03.zip
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/newPentoolScript_v02.zip
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/walkingman_2.zip

Revlets test01 and test02 ask for permission to
use your disk, because they save or export 
a pdf, svg or adobe ilustrator file.
(currently, these plain simple svg files open
using Inkscape, not Firefox).

alejandro
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/revLet-Visual-Effect-tp24953449p24958105.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Aug 13 17:11:47 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:11:47 EDT
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
Message-ID: <cd1.572391dd.37b5db93@aol.com>

My programmer friend picked up the essentials of the language right away. 
He had no vocabulary, but had no trouble at all importing his experience, 
skills and thinking. I was there to drive the IDE and supply the words, and 
also to point out the power of home grown concepts like chunks. He loved the 
accessability; the effort of learning the language he assumed was just a part, 
and a small part at that, of the cost of doing business.

So impressing experienced programmers to this sort of world seems to be 
easy. The challenge is to excite the masses, something that was given an 
enormous, just flat out enormous head start when Bill Atkinson insisted that HC be 
bundled for free. That went on until HC v2.0, (Claris) or so, about four 
years. That was a lot of hubbub; I heard Danny Goodmand sold many hundreds of 
thousands of his handbook.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 8/13/09 4:03:48 PM, ambassador at fourthworld.com writes:


> Because the true cost of using a new language isn't the IDE price.? Far
> more expensive is the time it takes to learn the new language.? If a
> scripter can grok Rev in far less time than it would take her to pick up
> any other second language, Rev's chances of being that second language
> increase.
> 



From index at kenjikojima.com  Thu Aug 13 17:19:42 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:19:42 -0400
Subject: revLet Visual Effect
In-Reply-To: <24958105.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <2BE92C0F-CCB6-435D-8112-74FC85AE337A@kenjikojima.com>
	<24958105.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2D2B08C3-6830-4752-B4E2-3B7EBBBA8A36@kenjikojima.com>

Hi alejandro,

It's alpha version, but
I think I should take another way or change my plan.

Thank you,
--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/




On Aug 13, 2009, at 04:22 PM, capellan wrote:

>
> Hi Kenji,
>
> In Windows XP, visual effects does not shows in the
> revWeb plug-in. All transitions are just like
> show and hide, ocurring instantly.
>
> Somehow, i suspect that this is related with screen redraw
> of plug-in inside the browser. Redrawing the plug-in
> area and processing mouse messages seems to
> have their share of problems.
>
> Notice that dragging any object inside a revlet shows
> a really sluggish response:
>
> (for example dragging a point to reshape a vector graphic
> inside this revlet: http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test02.html)
>
> but movement controled by scripts works really fine.
>
> (for example, both Walking figures in revlet i posted,
> http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test03.html
> and ball movements in Jim Hurley's pool game: "NineBall")
>
> Check this by yourself, comparing these revlets in your browser
> http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test01.html
> http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test02.html
> http://www.capellan2000.000space.com/test03.html
> with the stacks running in the desktop:
> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/exportVector_v03.zip
> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/newPentoolScript_v02.zip
> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/walkingman_2.zip
>
> Revlets test01 and test02 ask for permission to
> use your disk, because they save or export
> a pdf, svg or adobe ilustrator file.
> (currently, these plain simple svg files open
> using Inkscape, not Firefox).
>
> alejandro
> --  
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/revLet-Visual-Effect-tp24953449p24958105.html
> Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
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From stevejones at mac.com  Thu Aug 13 17:50:12 2009
From: stevejones at mac.com (Steve Jones)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 16:50:12 -0500
Subject: New user question
Message-ID: <E40BC72E-2F20-40F8-837B-F091E5F3EA93@mac.com>

Hello!  I am new to RR but have used SuperCard for many years an  
amateur and HyperCard before that.  I'm working on my first project  
and I had a question.  I have a stack with 2 substacks.  (I love the  
idea of substacks, btw).  From the main stack I want to open a  
substack but keep it invisible,  then later show it.  In SuperCard it  
would be:


open invisible project projectName
show project projectName (or:  set the invisible of project  
projectName to true)

I seem to be able to use
open invisible stack stackName

at least I don't get an error.  But later in the script when I try to  
show or set the visible of the stack to true, I get an error that the  
stack can't be found.

What am I missing?

Thanks!

Steve



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Aug 13 18:10:54 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:10:54 -0700
Subject: New user question
Message-ID: <4A848F6E.1020000@fourthworld.com>

Steve Jones wrote:
> Hello!  I am new to RR but have used SuperCard for many years an  
> amateur and HyperCard before that.  I'm working on my first project  
> and I had a question.  I have a stack with 2 substacks.  (I love the  
> idea of substacks, btw).  From the main stack I want to open a  
> substack but keep it invisible,  then later show it.  In SuperCard it  
> would be:
> 
> open invisible project projectName
> show project projectName (or:  set the invisible of project  
> projectName to true)
> 
> I seem to be able to use
> open invisible stack stackName
> 
> at least I don't get an error.  But later in the script when I try to  
> show or set the visible of the stack to true, I get an error that the  
> stack can't be found.
> 
> What am I missing?

What do those lines that are throwing errors look like?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From stevejones at mac.com  Thu Aug 13 18:19:30 2009
From: stevejones at mac.com (Steve Jones)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:19:30 -0500
Subject: New user question
In-Reply-To: <4A848F6E.1020000@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A848F6E.1020000@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4FF9E730-A165-46E1-A54E-0241C867799E@mac.com>

on mouseUp
    go stack "VoluntTracker Volunteers"
    wait 3 seconds
    beep
    wait 3 seconds
    show stack "VoluntTracker Volunteers"
end mouseUp

I put the beep in to test to be sure it was running.

The error I get is:

button "New Volunteer": execution error at line 6 (Chunk: can't find  
stack), char 4


I've tried combinations of open, show, go, set invisible, and use the  
stack name and the stack ID.

Always the same error.

Steve




On Aug 13, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Steve Jones wrote:
>> Hello!  I am new to RR but have used SuperCard for many years an   
>> amateur and HyperCard before that.  I'm working on my first  
>> project  and I had a question.  I have a stack with 2 substacks.   
>> (I love the  idea of substacks, btw).  From the main stack I want  
>> to open a  substack but keep it invisible,  then later show it.  In  
>> SuperCard it  would be:
>> open invisible project projectName
>> show project projectName (or:  set the invisible of project   
>> projectName to true)
>> I seem to be able to use
>> open invisible stack stackName
>> at least I don't get an error.  But later in the script when I try  
>> to  show or set the visible of the stack to true, I get an error  
>> that the  stack can't be found.
>> What am I missing?
>
> What do those lines that are throwing errors look like?
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 13 18:28:36 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:28:36 -0500
Subject: revLet Visual Effect
In-Reply-To: <2D2B08C3-6830-4752-B4E2-3B7EBBBA8A36@kenjikojima.com>
References: <2BE92C0F-CCB6-435D-8112-74FC85AE337A@kenjikojima.com>	<24958105.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<2D2B08C3-6830-4752-B4E2-3B7EBBBA8A36@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <4A849394.9020804@hyperactivesw.com>

Kenji Kojima wrote:
> Hi alejandro,
> 
> It's alpha version, but
> I think I should take another way or change my plan.

Just for the record, I tried it on OS X and visual effects don't work 
there either.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From paulgabel at comcast.net  Thu Aug 13 18:46:04 2009
From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 15:46:04 -0700
Subject: New user question
In-Reply-To: <4FF9E730-A165-46E1-A54E-0241C867799E@mac.com>
References: <4A848F6E.1020000@fourthworld.com>
	<4FF9E730-A165-46E1-A54E-0241C867799E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <19A26F8D-4363-45E0-B04E-001FA8381583@comcast.net>

Hi Steve:

If you don't get an adequate solution to your problem, you can always  
keep the stack visible and set its location to -1000,-1000. Then, when  
you want it visible, just < set the loc of stack "Invisible" to the  
screenLoc > or wherever you want it.

Paul Gabel

---------------

On Aug 13, 2009, at 3:19 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

> on mouseUp
>   go stack "VoluntTracker Volunteers"
>   wait 3 seconds
>   beep
>   wait 3 seconds
>   show stack "VoluntTracker Volunteers"
> end mouseUp
>
> I put the beep in to test to be sure it was running.
>
> The error I get is:
>
> button "New Volunteer": execution error at line 6 (Chunk: can't find  
> stack), char 4
>
>
> I've tried combinations of open, show, go, set invisible, and use  
> the stack name and the stack ID.
>
> Always the same error.
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 5:10 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Steve Jones wrote:
>>> Hello!  I am new to RR but have used SuperCard for many years an   
>>> amateur and HyperCard before that.  I'm working on my first  
>>> project  and I had a question.  I have a stack with 2 substacks.   
>>> (I love the  idea of substacks, btw).  From the main stack I want  
>>> to open a  substack but keep it invisible,  then later show it.   
>>> In SuperCard it  would be:
>>> open invisible project projectName
>>> show project projectName (or:  set the invisible of project   
>>> projectName to true)
>>> I seem to be able to use
>>> open invisible stack stackName
>>> at least I don't get an error.  But later in the script when I try  
>>> to  show or set the visible of the stack to true, I get an error  
>>> that the  stack can't be found.
>>> What am I missing?
>>
>> What do those lines that are throwing errors look like?
>>
>> --
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World
>> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>
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From index at kenjikojima.com  Thu Aug 13 18:52:36 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:52:36 -0400
Subject: revLet Visual Effect
In-Reply-To: <4A849394.9020804@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <2BE92C0F-CCB6-435D-8112-74FC85AE337A@kenjikojima.com>	<24958105.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<2D2B08C3-6830-4752-B4E2-3B7EBBBA8A36@kenjikojima.com>
	<4A849394.9020804@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CFE13F77-1C33-44FC-9CA8-9D18C5B0A754@kenjikojima.com>

Hi Jacqueline,

Thanks,
--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/



On Aug 13, 2009, at 06:28 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Kenji Kojima wrote:
>> Hi alejandro,
>> It's alpha version, but
>> I think I should take another way or change my plan.
>
> Just for the record, I tried it on OS X and visual effects don't  
> work there either.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 18:58:14 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 08:58:14 +1000
Subject: New user question
In-Reply-To: <4FF9E730-A165-46E1-A54E-0241C867799E@mac.com>
References: <4A848F6E.1020000@fourthworld.com>
	<4FF9E730-A165-46E1-A54E-0241C867799E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908131558l2bb3dda7hc3949ae6f31ddc44@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Steve Jones<stevejones at mac.com> wrote:
> on mouseUp
> ? go stack "VoluntTracker Volunteers"
> ? wait 3 seconds
> ? beep
> ? wait 3 seconds
> ? show stack "VoluntTracker Volunteers"
> end mouseUp
>
> I put the beep in to test to be sure it was running.
>
> The error I get is:
>
> button "New Volunteer": execution error at line 6 (Chunk: can't find stack),
> char 4
>

I can't see why your script should fail, unless there is a typo in the
name - perhaps an extra space or some invisible character.
But try this:

on mouseUp
   go invisible stack "VoluntTracker Volunteers"
   wait 3 seconds with messages
   show stack "VoluntTracker Volunteers"
end mouseUp


The "wait with messages" allows other things to happen e.g. moving or
resizing windows, so it doesn't seem like your app has frozen.

HTH,
Sarah


From stevejones at mac.com  Thu Aug 13 19:01:14 2009
From: stevejones at mac.com (Steve Jones)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:01:14 -0500
Subject: New user question
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908131558l2bb3dda7hc3949ae6f31ddc44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A848F6E.1020000@fourthworld.com>
	<4FF9E730-A165-46E1-A54E-0241C867799E@mac.com>
	<f99b52860908131558l2bb3dda7hc3949ae6f31ddc44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7B7FA4C5-BCC0-4D1B-8F87-AF6A50998390@mac.com>

But if I was typing the name wrong, wouldn't the error appear first at  
line 2?

Steve

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 13, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 8:19 AM, Steve Jones<stevejones at mac.com>  
> wrote:
>> on mouseUp
>>   go stack "VoluntTracker Volunteers"
>>   wait 3 seconds
>>   beep
>>   wait 3 seconds
>>   show stack "VoluntTracker Volunteers"
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> I put the beep in to test to be sure it was running.
>>
>> The error I get is:
>>
>> button "New Volunteer": execution error at line 6 (Chunk: can't  
>> find stack),
>> char 4
>>
>
> I can't see why your script should fail, unless there is a typo in the
> name - perhaps an extra space or some invisible character.
> But try this:
>
> on mouseUp
>   go invisible stack "VoluntTracker Volunteers"
>   wait 3 seconds with messages
>   show stack "VoluntTracker Volunteers"
> end mouseUp
>
>
> The "wait with messages" allows other things to happen e.g. moving or
> resizing windows, so it doesn't seem like your app has frozen.
>
> HTH,
> Sarah
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 13 19:06:27 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:06:27 -0500
Subject: New user question
In-Reply-To: <7B7FA4C5-BCC0-4D1B-8F87-AF6A50998390@mac.com>
References: <4A848F6E.1020000@fourthworld.com>	<4FF9E730-A165-46E1-A54E-0241C867799E@mac.com>	<f99b52860908131558l2bb3dda7hc3949ae6f31ddc44@mail.gmail.com>
	<7B7FA4C5-BCC0-4D1B-8F87-AF6A50998390@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A849C73.6090600@hyperactivesw.com>

Steve Jones wrote:
> But if I was typing the name wrong, wouldn't the error appear first at 
> line 2?

Not if the misspelling was at line 6. ;)

I've been puzzling over this too, because I don't see anything in your 
script that would cause an error. You aren't closing the main stack at 
any time, are you? If you do that, all substacks get closed too.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 19:16:51 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 09:16:51 +1000
Subject: Raw Prawns
In-Reply-To: <4A84718D.6030304@gmail.com>
References: <4A84718D.6030304@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908131616w6117509bybb5f1658c43dd462@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 6:03 AM, Richmond
Mathewson<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a side effect of my current work;
>
> a handy reference image of RawKeyDown values
>
> http://mathewson.110mb.com/raws.html


And a side-effect of mine....
<http://www.troz.net/rev/revweb.irev?revlet=KeyCoder>.
My KeyCoder stack running as a revlet.

However, I couldn't work out a method for the revlet to get the focus
after it opened. It works fine in Rev, but in the browser, you have to
click in it before it will start reading the keystrokes. Has anyone
else encountered this, or does anyone have any suggestions?

Cheers,
Sarah

P.S. I would like to propose that "revlets" be re-named to "revelts"
which is what my fingers prefer to type :-)


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Thu Aug 13 20:09:42 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 20:09:42 -0400
Subject: onRev Question About Making a Log-in Page
Message-ID: <00261A05-8333-4A22-BCC5-4D5E3EB298CD@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

Curious to know whether there are any examples of an onRev log-in  
page, that is, where the server remembers the visitor during their  
session, that I might learn from.  I was thinking of concocting with  
Rev to pass tokens, but it would be nice to see a number of approaches.

Regards,

	Gregory


From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 13 20:15:05 2009
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:15:05 -0500
Subject: onRev Question About Making a Log-in Page
In-Reply-To: <00261A05-8333-4A22-BCC5-4D5E3EB298CD@videotron.ca>
References: <00261A05-8333-4A22-BCC5-4D5E3EB298CD@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <2FEBE0EF-3E6E-4E5A-8FCE-8EA9782509C4@earthlink.net>

I certainly would find this helpful, too.  TIA.

On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Curious to know whether there are any examples of an onRev log-in  
> page, that is, where the server remembers the visitor during their  
> session, that I might learn from.  I was thinking of concocting with  
> Rev to pass tokens, but it would be nice to see a number of  
> approaches.
>
> Regards,
>
> 	Gregory



From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug 13 20:15:16 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 17:15:16 -0700
Subject: Importing gMail?
In-Reply-To: <20090813231654.10AC248AE72@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090813231654.10AC248AE72@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2297C0E9-59D8-4BD6-8444-53EFD6C07BD8@sbcglobal.net>

I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via  
gMail to members of my neighborhood association.

I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to import  
the responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing?

I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this list  
cannot do. Is this a bridge too far?

Jim Hurley



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Aug 13 21:24:31 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:24:31 -0700
Subject: onRev Question About Making a Log-in Page
In-Reply-To: <2FEBE0EF-3E6E-4E5A-8FCE-8EA9782509C4@earthlink.net>
References: <00261A05-8333-4A22-BCC5-4D5E3EB298CD@videotron.ca>
	<2FEBE0EF-3E6E-4E5A-8FCE-8EA9782509C4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908131824u27932fe5w6e2f84fac548da9b@mail.gmail.com>

check SPLASH21's site. A fantastic CMS written mostly in rev with help by
javascript. You can download all the source code.This will show you how it's
done by an experienced web developer.

http://splash21.on-rev.com/

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/13 Petrides, M.D. Marian <mpetrides at earthlink.net>

> I certainly would find this helpful, too.  TIA.
>
>
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>
>  Hello everyone,
>>
>> Curious to know whether there are any examples of an onRev log-in page,
>> that is, where the server remembers the visitor during their session, that I
>> might learn from.  I was thinking of concocting with Rev to pass tokens, but
>> it would be nice to see a number of approaches.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>        Gregory
>>
>
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 13 21:28:34 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:28:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] RGB_CMYK revlet
Message-ID: <24964138.post@talk.nabble.com>


hi all,

Visit the page:
http://capellan2000.000space.com/RGB_CMYK/test.html
No warnings this time, because this revlet is only for visual display.

Contains gif images with inks applied and four scrollbars to 
change the blendlevel of images.

i build this stack, among many others, for my classes.
This time, i rebuilt completely this stack with revMedia 4
and i get no more errors building the revlet.

i just keep wondering why these errors appear while
building the revlet...

al
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Thu Aug 13 21:37:05 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:37:05 -0700
Subject: Importing gMail?
In-Reply-To: <2297C0E9-59D8-4BD6-8444-53EFD6C07BD8@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20090813231654.10AC248AE72@mail.runrev.com>
	<2297C0E9-59D8-4BD6-8444-53EFD6C07BD8@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908131837qfda1543t377f329d3bac1478@mail.gmail.com>

It's easy to make a spaminator in Rev, but a good email list program should
have features like list management, user authentication and unsubscribe, and
bounced email management. Look at the features in the most popular mail list
server, Mailman, which indeed is the software that manages the Rev lists.
Most ISPs offer it for free. 'Several Hundred' recipients sounds like a lot
of users to handle without those features.
It
looks like you're trying to do a survey. Perhaps there's a better way
than simple email responses. If you have on-rev you could make a form
that collects response and allows only one vote per IP.
It could keep the tally in a simple text
file. Not idiot proof but fine for a small group. You should be able to do
the same thing using the plugin.

And yes, you could make a thing that gathers emails, but it would have to
allow 1 vote per email, and write some kind of form to work inside the
email. A lot more trouble, IMHO than making a simple web page.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/13 James Hurley <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net>

> I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via gMail to
> members of my neighborhood association.
>
> I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to import the
> responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing?
>
> I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this list cannot
> do. Is this a bridge too far?
>
> Jim Hurley
>
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 13 22:09:35 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 19:09:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <cd1.572391dd.37b5db93@aol.com>
References: <c55.52abc9fd.37b56c9b@aol.com> <cd1.572391dd.37b5db93@aol.com>
Message-ID: <24965084.post@talk.nabble.com>


Actually, i liked the new logo and the change
in language name.

al
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From wjm at wjm.org  Thu Aug 13 22:34:49 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (William Marriott)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:34:49 +0100
Subject: onRev Question About Making a Log-in Page
In-Reply-To: <2FEBE0EF-3E6E-4E5A-8FCE-8EA9782509C4@earthlink.net>
References: <00261A05-8333-4A22-BCC5-4D5E3EB298CD@videotron.ca>
	<2FEBE0EF-3E6E-4E5A-8FCE-8EA9782509C4@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <h62ig9$vh$1@ger.gmane.org>

http://splash21.on-rev.com


Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote:
> I certainly would find this helpful, too.  TIA.
> 
> On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Curious to know whether there are any examples of an onRev log-in 
>> page, that is, where the server remembers the visitor during their 
>> session, that I might learn from.  I was thinking of concocting with 
>> Rev to pass tokens, but it would be nice to see a number of approaches.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>     Gregory



From katir at hindu.org  Fri Aug 14 00:52:17 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 18:52:17 -1000
Subject: revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <2F4A92CC-83F1-4B65-A07F-1350764E70C8@skynet.be>
References: <2F4A92CC-83F1-4B65-A07F-1350764E70C8@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <4A84ED81.7060100@hindu.org>

Yves COPPE wrote:
> Hi list
>
> Here is a very simple script :
>
> on mouseUp
>     put empty into fld "resultat"
>    set itemDel to "/"
>    put item 1 to -2 of the effective fileName of this stack into tPath
>    set itemDel to comma
>    put tPath into fld "resultat"
> end mouseUp
>
> In the IDE, it gives the right path
> when I build a revlet, put it on my server and open it with Safari, it 
> gives ... nothing ! fld "resultat" stays empty
>
> Any idea ?
I believe this is to be expected. Since the file has not been saved to 
disk then it is effectively in RAM.  If you clone a stack and have not 
saved it yet, or download a stack from the RevOnline, and query them for 
their filename, I think you also get an empty filename.

But, it brings up an interesting feature request. It would be be great 
if the revlet were self-aware of it's source location... i.e the 
revlet's file name becomes  a global property containing it's URL. 
RevWebPlayer should be able to get this from

http://myDomain.org/edu/english-studies/Learn-English.revlet

of course you will not be able to set a the default folder from this or 
anything like that, but it could be useful to use item 1 to -2 to use as 
a tRootURL for getting other modules on the fly:

open stack url (tRootURL & "/" & "verbs/LearnVerbs.rev")
        # is that is even doable with the revWebPlayer? I suspect not....

but

put image (url (tRootURL & "/" & "images/whale.jpg") ) into image 1 ... 
should work...

And, if you were not trying to protect the directory contents and had 
the .htaccess set to "options +indices" in the source then you *could* 
effectively "get the files" which might be useful. this way your 
framework is portable otherwise one has to hardwire such url's into a 
global or custom prop and then if you move it to another server or 
another location on the same server, it breaks unless you update

A revlet may not know "Where am I" but it would  be nice if she knew 
"Where am I from?"








From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 01:28:57 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:28:57 +1000
Subject: Importing gMail?
In-Reply-To: <2297C0E9-59D8-4BD6-8444-53EFD6C07BD8@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20090813231654.10AC248AE72@mail.runrev.com>
	<2297C0E9-59D8-4BD6-8444-53EFD6C07BD8@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908132228m2b4a57cex69697bc1b8028114@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM, James Hurley<jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via gMail to
> members of my neighborhood association.
>
> I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to import the
> responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing?
>
> I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this list cannot
> do. Is this a bridge too far?


Hi Jim,

I was going to suggest enabling Gmail's POP access and using my POP
library to get the emails, but after checking, I see Gmail's POP uses
SSL on port 995 which my library does not do.

However you can set up Gmail to forward all emails to another address
and if you use one with standard POP access, then you can certainly
use my POP library as the basis for an email reader. You can download
the library and a sample stack from <http://www.troz.net/rev/>.

Cheers,
Sarah


From tariel at mac.com  Fri Aug 14 03:56:54 2009
From: tariel at mac.com (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 03:56:54 -0400
Subject: Drop destination path
In-Reply-To: <20090813134406.CE8FE48AFE5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090813134406.CE8FE48AFE5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7B8A88A7-1225-4019-BA4A-AFA02F530ABB@mac.com>


> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:25:57 +0200,  Jim Sims wrote:


>
> You don't state if you need an OS X and Windows solution, but if you
> select a folder and then run the following applescript you will get
> the path (in this case it is copied to the clipboard). Hope it helps
> you somehow.
>
> tell application "Finder"
> 	copy selection to theSelected
> 	set outputPathList to {}
> 	repeat with anItem in theSelected
> 		copy (POSIX path of (anItem as alias)) to end of outputPathList
> 	end repeat
> 	set AppleScript's text item delimiters to return
> 	set outputString to outputPathList as string
> 	set AppleScript's text item delimiters to ""
> 	set the clipboard to outputString
> end tell


Thanks Sims, nice script, I had a simpler version.

tell application "Finder"
   get selection
   set curr_sel to result as alias
   set posix_path to (POSIX path of (curr_sel) as string)
   set the clipboard to posix_path
end tell

but they both work only if folder is preselected. And yes, I need a  
windows solution as well

> On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:09:45 -0700,  Jim Ault wrote:



> When drag-dropping from one app to another, the first app does not
> have a way of 'knowing' what object the second app has used to accept
> the drop (if it accepted the drop at all).  This is true for any of
> the drag-and-drop between programs that I have experienced in the
> past.  The operating system does not know anything about the second
> app object definitions or drop areas.  The same thing is true of using
> a clipboard to move data.  The first app knows nothing about the paste
> operation in the second app.

And yet, all FTP clients on Mac ("Transmit" for example) somehow  
manage to support drag and drop download to arbitrary folder.
I suspect windows FTP clients can do drag / drop downloads to any  
folder of user choice as well. On Mac I would probably solve it  
eventually through AppleScript or Shell but I have not clue how to do  
this on windows.

Thanks for ideas and tips, for small group of users or internal use  
that would be great solution, but I need HIG compliant, "standard  
way"  of doing this.

I hoped that at least dragData would be able to resolve remote paths   
with something like..

set the allowableDragActions to "link"
Put " ftp://user:pass at server.com:21//Videos/MyVideo" into  
tRemoteFilePath
set the dragData["file"] to tRemoteFilePath

but that doesn't seems to be a case

best regards
Tariel



  
   


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 14 04:31:45 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 01:31:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Drop destination path
In-Reply-To: <7B8A88A7-1225-4019-BA4A-AFA02F530ABB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <99392.68964.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 8/14/09, Tariel Gogoberidze <tariel at mac.com> wrote:

> From: Tariel Gogoberidze <tariel at mac.com>
> Subject: Re:  Drop destination path
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Friday, August 14, 2009, 12:56 AM
> 
> > On Thu, 13 Aug 2009 05:25:57 +0200,? Jim Sims
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > You don't state if you need an OS X and Windows
> solution, but if you
> > select a folder and then run the following applescript
> you will get
> > the path (in this case it is copied to the clipboard).
> Hope it helps
> > you somehow.
> > 
> > tell application "Finder"
> > ??? copy selection to theSelected
> > ??? set outputPathList to {}
> > ??? repeat with anItem in theSelected
> > ??? ??? copy (POSIX path
> of (anItem as alias)) to end of outputPathList
> > ??? end repeat
> > ??? set AppleScript's text item
> delimiters to return
> > ??? set outputString to outputPathList
> as string
> > ??? set AppleScript's text item
> delimiters to ""
> > ??? set the clipboard to outputString
> > end tell
> 
> 
> Thanks Sims, nice script, I had a simpler version.
> 
> tell application "Finder"
> ? get selection
> ? set curr_sel to result as alias
> ? set posix_path to (POSIX path of (curr_sel) as
> string)
> ? set the clipboard to posix_path
> end tell
> 
> but they both work only if folder is preselected. And yes,
> I need a windows solution as well
> 
> > On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:09:45 -0700,? Jim Ault
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > When drag-dropping from one app to another, the first
> app does not
> > have a way of 'knowing' what object the second app has
> used to accept
> > the drop (if it accepted the drop at all).? This
> is true for any of
> > the drag-and-drop between programs that I have
> experienced in the
> > past.? The operating system does not know
> anything about the second
> > app object definitions or drop areas.? The same
> thing is true of using
> > a clipboard to move data.? The first app knows
> nothing about the paste
> > operation in the second app.
> 
> And yet, all FTP clients on Mac ("Transmit" for example)
> somehow manage to support drag and drop download to
> arbitrary folder.
> I suspect windows FTP clients can do drag / drop downloads
> to any folder of user choice as well. On Mac I would
> probably solve it eventually through AppleScript or Shell
> but I have not clue how to do this on windows.
> 
> Thanks for ideas and tips, for small group of users or
> internal use that would be great solution, but I need HIG
> compliant, "standard way"? of doing this.
> 
> I hoped that at least dragData would be able to resolve
> remote paths? with something like..
> 
> set the allowableDragActions to "link"
> Put " ftp://user:pass at server.com:21//Videos/MyVideo"
> into tRemoteFilePath
> set the dragData["file"] to tRemoteFilePath
> 
> but that doesn't seems to be a case
> 
> best regards
> Tariel
> 

You can always download the file into a temporary file, and then Windows Explorer at least will simply copy the temporary file to the target destination.
##
local sTempName
on dragStart
  put tempName() into sTempName
  put URL theRemoteURL into sTempName
  set the allowableDragActions to "copy"
  set the dragData["file"] to sTempName
end dragStart
on dragEnd
  delete file sTempName
end dragEnd
##
The problem then is that the whole file needs to be downloaded to make this happen, even if the user decides not to drop the file after all. So I don't see a clean solution either.

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


      


From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Aug 14 05:48:10 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:48:10 +0100
Subject: onRev Question About Making a Log-in Page
In-Reply-To: <h62ig9$vh$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <00261A05-8333-4A22-BCC5-4D5E3EB298CD@videotron.ca> 
	<2FEBE0EF-3E6E-4E5A-8FCE-8EA9782509C4@earthlink.net>
	<h62ig9$vh$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908140248k196a7d6ckdbaf233f2a8ff05e@mail.gmail.com>

I agree, it is a wonderful repository of code! :D

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:34 AM, William Marriott <wjm at wjm.org> wrote:

> http://splash21.on-rev.com
>
>
> Petrides, M.D. Marian wrote:
>
>> I certainly would find this helpful, too.  TIA.
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>>
>>  Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> Curious to know whether there are any examples of an onRev log-in page,
>>> that is, where the server remembers the visitor during their session, that I
>>> might learn from.  I was thinking of concocting with Rev to pass tokens, but
>>> it would be nice to see a number of approaches.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>    Gregory
>>>
>>
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Aug 14 06:12:15 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:12:15 +0200
Subject: Datagrid strange behavior
Message-ID: <FD33602D-5C5D-4264-BCAC-604C36526B63@skynet.be>

Hi list

I have a datagrid in the "form" type

3 flds

fld 1 : on the first half of the first line
fld 2 : on the second half of the first line

fld 3 : under the 2 flds above. Is a scroll fld with a variable height

my layout script : for this third fld (name : Body)

    put item 1 of pControlRect +25 into item 1 of theRectTrois -- a  
little bit further than the left margin : 25 px
    put item 2 of pControlRect+25 into item 2 of theRectTrois -- to  
create a second line in my row, a little bit lower 25 pix
    put item 3 of pControlRect into item 3 of theRectTrois -- expand  
to the right until the right margin of the grp "datagrid 1"
    put item 2 of theRectTrois + the formattedHeight of field "Body"  
of me  - the bottomMargin of field "Body" of me into item 4 of  
theRectTrois -- the variable height of my fld "body"
    set the rect of fld "Body" of me to theRectTrois


--until here, it works perfectly

now

    put item 1 of pControlRect&","&item 2 of pControlRect&","&item 3  
of pControlRect&","&item 4 of theRectTrois into r

    set the rect of graphic "Background" of me to r
end LayoutControl

now 2 possibilitiies

if the number of rows with data in the grid is more than the height of  
the grp "datagird 1", I can scroll the datagrid 1 : perfect !

BUT

if the number of rows with data in the grid is less than the height of  
the grp "datagrid 1" (so no need to scroll the datagrid grp) there is  
a large white row after the last row with data and then further the  
empty rows displayed normally


where is the error ??

all the flds and the datagrid has no checked "fixed line height" in  
the inspector


thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 14 10:29:29 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:29:29 -0700
Subject: Importing gMail?
Message-ID: <AE6E757B-057C-4936-97AC-FA15C9C9E4FA@sbcglobal.net>

> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM, James Hurley<jhurley0305 at  
> sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via  
> gMail to
> > members of my neighborhood association.
> >
> > I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to  
> import the
> > responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing?
> >
> > I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this  
> list cannot
> > do. Is this a bridge too far?
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I was going to suggest enabling Gmail's POP access and using my POP
> library to get the emails, but after checking, I see Gmail's POP uses
> SSL on port 995 which my library does not do.
>
> However you can set up Gmail to forward all emails to another address
> and if you use one with standard POP access, then you can certainly
> use my POP library as the basis for an email reader. You can download
> the library and a sample stack from <http://www.troz.net/rev/>.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>

Sarah,

That is just terrific. This will be a valuable tool for me. Thank you  
so much.

In this new Rev campaign let's not overlook the value of the  English- 
like dialog on this list--works at least for Australian and American.

However, there is something strange going on here (Mac OS 10.5.8 and  
Rev. 3.5 and 4) with your POP Library.
When I click "Check mail" your stack begins to download emails from my  
Mac Mail account (from which I have forwarded my gMails). It begins  
with: Reading message 1 of 72, and them moves on to message 2 etc.  
until it reaches message 30 when it stops reading briefly and begins  
all over again from message 1.

The only way to stop this is to close the stack. I should be able to  
debug this but I have no idea what is going on. This stuff is way over  
my head. Little help please.

Also, in looking through your scripts, I would like to be able to  
insert a conditional statement to download only email with a specific  
subject but I can't see where to inset this. Is this possible? Not  
critical; this can be done after the fact.

Thanks again. Very helpful! My conviction that anything is possible  
from this list is sustained. (I've been working on squaring the  
circle. Any ideas anybody?)

Jim Hurley

(By the way, the stack opens with the "Read emails" button disabled.  
Maybe a card script: On opencard \ set the disabled of button "Read  
emails" to false \ end opencard.)



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Aug 14 11:12:53 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:12:53 +0100
Subject: Importing gMail?
In-Reply-To: <AE6E757B-057C-4936-97AC-FA15C9C9E4FA@sbcglobal.net>
References: <AE6E757B-057C-4936-97AC-FA15C9C9E4FA@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908140812v20b0d29j5862a247665797a7@mail.gmail.com>

inclus?o digital ? uma merda... eu digo, so falem mal do chefe entre amigos,
na casa e algum deles, com as portas fechadas e nenhum computador ou celular
ligado...



On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 3:29 PM, James Hurley <jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM, James Hurley<jhurley0305 at
>> sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via gMail
>> to
>> > members of my neighborhood association.
>> >
>> > I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to import the
>> > responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing?
>> >
>> > I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this list
>> cannot
>> > do. Is this a bridge too far?
>>
>>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> I was going to suggest enabling Gmail's POP access and using my POP
>> library to get the emails, but after checking, I see Gmail's POP uses
>> SSL on port 995 which my library does not do.
>>
>> However you can set up Gmail to forward all emails to another address
>> and if you use one with standard POP access, then you can certainly
>> use my POP library as the basis for an email reader. You can download
>> the library and a sample stack from <http://www.troz.net/rev/>.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
>>
>>
> Sarah,
>
> That is just terrific. This will be a valuable tool for me. Thank you so
> much.
>
> In this new Rev campaign let's not overlook the value of the  English-like
> dialog on this list--works at least for Australian and American.
>
> However, there is something strange going on here (Mac OS 10.5.8 and Rev.
> 3.5 and 4) with your POP Library.
> When I click "Check mail" your stack begins to download emails from my Mac
> Mail account (from which I have forwarded my gMails). It begins with:
> Reading message 1 of 72, and them moves on to message 2 etc. until it
> reaches message 30 when it stops reading briefly and begins all over again
> from message 1.
>
> The only way to stop this is to close the stack. I should be able to debug
> this but I have no idea what is going on. This stuff is way over my head.
> Little help please.
>
> Also, in looking through your scripts, I would like to be able to insert a
> conditional statement to download only email with a specific subject but I
> can't see where to inset this. Is this possible? Not critical; this can be
> done after the fact.
>
> Thanks again. Very helpful! My conviction that anything is possible from
> this list is sustained. (I've been working on squaring the circle. Any ideas
> anybody?)
>
> Jim Hurley
>
> (By the way, the stack opens with the "Read emails" button disabled. Maybe
> a card script: On opencard \ set the disabled of button "Read emails" to
> false \ end opencard.)
>
>
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri Aug 14 11:56:10 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:56:10 +0200
Subject: Challenge: How can we set the rect of a polygon to its visual rect?
Message-ID: <4A85891A.3000801@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Triangles, pentagons, and hexagons (three-, five-, and six-sided 
polygons) have rects that are different from their visual rects, i.e. 
their opaque areas when the fillcolor is set to true.

As an example, a hexagon with a height of 200 possesses a "visual" 
height of only 172.

A snapshot taken from the graphic has the same dimensions, but the 
resulting image can be cropped to the real visual height.

Cropping however is possible only with images, so how do we proceed to 
set the rect of a hexagon (or triangle and pentagon) to its visual rect?

Any ideas?

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>


From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Aug 14 12:15:59 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:15:59 +0200
Subject: Importing gMail?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10908140812v20b0d29j5862a247665797a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AE6E757B-057C-4936-97AC-FA15C9C9E4FA@sbcglobal.net>
	<7c87a2a10908140812v20b0d29j5862a247665797a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D1E6CD15-552D-4D36-925E-9D23451C390E@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Andre,

> inclus?o digital ? uma merda... eu digo, so falem mal do chefe entre  
> amigos,
> na casa e algum deles, com as portas fechadas e nenhum computador ou  
> celular
> ligado...

Yeah, and the same to you, buddy! :-D


Best

Klaus
--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Aug 14 12:21:03 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:21:03 +0100
Subject: Importing gMail?
In-Reply-To: <D1E6CD15-552D-4D36-925E-9D23451C390E@major.on-rev.com>
References: <AE6E757B-057C-4936-97AC-FA15C9C9E4FA@sbcglobal.net> 
	<7c87a2a10908140812v20b0d29j5862a247665797a7@mail.gmail.com> 
	<D1E6CD15-552D-4D36-925E-9D23451C390E@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908140921w2c875da7wac83d3d96494bed0@mail.gmail.com>

oops, wrong reply button... Basically I was answering an email on how
someone got fired by saying all nasty things of her boss and accidently
sending it to him.

Well, I just sent the email to the wrong people too...



On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Klaus on-rev <klaus at major.on-rev.com>wrote:

> Hi Andre,
>
>  inclus?o digital ? uma merda... eu digo, so falem mal do chefe entre
>> amigos,
>> na casa e algum deles, com as portas fechadas e nenhum computador ou
>> celular
>> ligado...
>>
>
> Yeah, and the same to you, buddy! :-D
>
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Aug 14 13:06:32 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:06:32 -0700
Subject: Importing gMail?
In-Reply-To: <AE6E757B-057C-4936-97AC-FA15C9C9E4FA@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <C6AAE7A8.43AC1%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, James Hurley wrote:

> My conviction that anything is possible
> from this list is sustained. (I've been working on squaring the
> circle. Any ideas anybody?)

What do you mean by "squaring"?  If you're trying to morph a circle into a
square, create the circle by starting with a roundrect graphic whose
roundradius is set to its diameter.  When the roundradius of the graphic is
decreased, the circle will become a square.

Maybe this isn't what you're after, but it's one version "squaring".

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Fri Aug 14 13:17:12 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:17:12 -0400
Subject: onRev Question About Making a Log-in Page
In-Reply-To: <20090814170004.EF7D748AC73@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090814170004.EF7D748AC73@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BABDB030-A5A0-443B-91A9-7E0CCE59EB1E@videotron.ca>

Thanks for the heads up, everyone.  I'll have a look at splash21's site.

	Gregory


From jhurley0305 at SBCGLOBAL.NET  Fri Aug 14 14:10:33 2009
From: jhurley0305 at SBCGLOBAL.NET (James Hurley)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:10:33 -0700
Subject: Importing gMail
Message-ID: <E5F82C17-8DF7-49A3-AEBF-F0AACBE917B9@SBCGLOBAL.NET>

> Recently, James Hurley wrote:
>
> > My conviction that anything is possible
> > from this list is sustained. (I've been working on squaring the
> > circle. Any ideas anybody?)
>
> What do you mean by "squaring"?  If you're trying to morph a circle  
> into a
> square, create the circle by starting with a roundrect graphic whose
> roundradius is set to its diameter.  When the roundradius of the  
> graphic is
> decreased, the circle will become a square.
>
> Maybe this isn't what you're after, but it's one version "squaring".
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

Scott,

Actually, Scott, I was trying to be funny. I get into more trouble  
that way.

Squaring the circle was a classic problem for Greek geometers. The  
problem was to use only the canonical geometrical tools (compass and  
straight edge) to construct a square with the same area as a given  
circle. It was all the rage in its day. It was the equivalent in its  
day of the present day problem to proving Fermat's last theorem.  
Except that that has recently been proven--took over a HUNDRED PAGES.

It was subsequently proven that squaring the circle is impossible. Has  
something to do with the fact that pi is a transcendental number and  
not simply an irrational number.

But I like your construction. See, I was right. Nothing is past the  
skills of the Rev list. Rev should use this in their promotional  
material for the new Rev Media. That is at least as important as the  
English-like Rev Talk. Let's give it a name: "List Talk"

Jim Hurley



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Aug 14 14:34:50 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:34:50 -0700
Subject: Challenge: How can we set the rect of a polygon to its visual
 rect?
In-Reply-To: <4A85891A.3000801@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <C6AAFC5A.43AC9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> Triangles, pentagons, and hexagons (three-, five-, and six-sided
> polygons) have rects that are different from their visual rects, i.e.
> their opaque areas when the fillcolor is set to true.
> 
> As an example, a hexagon with a height of 200 possesses a "visual"
> height of only 172.
> 
> A snapshot taken from the graphic has the same dimensions, but the
> resulting image can be cropped to the real visual height.
> 
> Cropping however is possible only with images, so how do we proceed to
> set the rect of a hexagon (or triangle and pentagon) to its visual rect?
> 
> Any ideas?

You can crop a snapshot image of the graphic by looking at the alphaData of
the snapshot and cropping into the image only where the alphaData is 100%
transparent (or some other threshold you prefer).  I posted a stack that
does this, which is based on an alphaData checking routine originally
written by Trevor DeVore.  In your message box:

 go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/crop2alphaRect.rev"

The stack generates a random regular polygon and then creates a matching
image cropped to the extents of the original graphic.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Aug 14 14:37:30 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:37:30 -0700
Subject: Importing gMail
In-Reply-To: <E5F82C17-8DF7-49A3-AEBF-F0AACBE917B9@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
References: <E5F82C17-8DF7-49A3-AEBF-F0AACBE917B9@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Message-ID: <7879078859.20090814113730@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

Friday, August 14, 2009, 11:10:33 AM, you wrote:

> something to do with the fact that pi is a transcendental number and
> not simply an irrational number.

Reminds me of my favorite equation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_identity

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 15:42:38 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:42:38 +0300
Subject: Logtalk . . .
Message-ID: <4A85BE2E.6080905@gmail.com>

Fioch!

http://logtalk.org/documentation.html

download the PDF  user and reference manuals
and learn why Runtime Revolution is really
marvellous.
----------------------------------------------------------

and after that b*tchy remark . . .

nothing really.

----------------------------------------------------------

Just reminded me how lucky I was to have hopped
from PASCAL 5 (1986) to HyperCard (1993) with
nothing but BBC BASIC in between (which, after all
was really a fairly retrograde step). And then (with a brief
'aberration' with ToolBook) straight to Runtime Revolution.

----------------------------------------------------------

HOWEVER . . . note that the name of the supposedly object-oriented
language [maybe I'm a bit stupid (don't all shout at once),
but how a programming language without some sort of
a visual IDE can be 'object-oriented' escapes me.

"Logtalk is an open source object-oriented logic programming language
that can use most Prolog implementations as a back-end compiler.
As a multi-paradigm language, Logtalk includes support for both 
prototypes and
classes, protocols, component-based programming through category-based 
composition,
event-driven programming, and multi-threading programming."

Now the same may be said about Runtime Revolution's programming
language, but, thank God, it isn't said, as types like me curl up and die
in the face of red-hot jargon.

And once you have installed Logtalk:

it can be found at (well at least on my Mac . . .)

HD4/opt/local/share/lgt2373/wenv/xcode/Logtalk

PUG UGLY!


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Aug 14 16:30:25 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:30:25 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Teacher Friday video now available for viewing
Message-ID: <CA310312-FD1C-4D26-8567-6B2281515BBA@me.com>

Fellow script-heads,

We have just posted the videos from this morning's tRev Teacher  
Friday. Clicking the link below will get you started:

    http://reveditor.com/trev-teacher-friday-aug-14-1-of-3-0

There are four parts, but they're relatively short, and of course, jam- 
packed with action. We discuss this week's new features and  
enhancements, as well as the stateless double agent architecture used  
by tRev to commicate with Revolution.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri Aug 14 16:54:16 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:54:16 +0200
Subject: Challenge: How can we set the rect of a polygon to its visual
 rect?
Message-ID: <4A85CEF8.70103@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Fri Aug 14, 2009, Scott Rossi scott at tactilemedia.com wrote:

> Recently, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
>
> > Triangles, pentagons, and hexagons (three-, five-, and six-sided
> > polygons) have rects that are different from their visual rects, i.e.
> > their opaque areas when the fillcolor is set to true.
> >
> > As an example, a hexagon with a height of 200 possesses a "visual"
> > height of only 172.
> >
> > A snapshot taken from the graphic has the same dimensions, but the
> > resulting image can be cropped to the real visual height.
> >
> > Cropping however is possible only with images, so how do we proceed to
> > set the rect of a hexagon (or triangle and pentagon) to its visual rect?
> >
> > Any ideas?
>
> You can crop a snapshot image of the graphic by looking at the 
> alphaData of
> the snapshot and cropping into the image only where the alphaData is 100%
> transparent (or some other threshold you prefer).  I posted a stack that
> does this....

Scott, thanks for the answer, but this proposal is exactly what I have 
stated in my quote above. I was concerned about how to "crop" a 
*graphic* or to find some sort of workaround for this.

I have been using cropped images as masks for quite some time, one 
example being the hexagons displayed on my various "Gradient 
Kaleidoscope Galleries" (see my website below).

As regular polygons (as graphics) show this difference between rect and 
visual rect (only in the case of triangles, pentagons, and hexagons), I 
use normal "free" polygons to create triangles, pentagons, and hexagons 
as slection tools. Graphics as selection tools to cut out a section of 
an image work smoother than using a masked image for this purpose. But 
to exactly draw such a graphic hexagon requires more effort.

I wonder why this difference between rects and visual rects of graphic 
triangles, pentagons, and hexagon exists.

Is there a reason for such exceptions or do we add these inconsistencies 
to the list of peculiarities present in Revolution's graphics and image 
processing which urgently need to be eventually cleaned up?
Recently I had commented on a number of such peculiarities, which I 
suppose may contribute to the many crashes I experience with some of my 
image processing stacks.

So again, does anybody know a way - or a workaround - to "crop" a 
regular graphic to the size of its visual rect?

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 14 17:30:29 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:30:29 -0700
Subject: Importing gMail?
In-Reply-To: <20090814170005.0BD0648AC98@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090814170005.0BD0648AC98@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1B52CF66-3FDD-47B6-A646-17EDBC10070E@sbcglobal.net>

>
> It
> looks like you're trying to do a survey. Perhaps there's a better way
> than simple email responses. If you have on-rev you could make a form
> that collects response and allows only one vote per IP.
> It could keep the tally in a simple text
> file. Not idiot proof but fine for a small group. You should be  
> able to do
> the same thing using the plugin.
>
> And yes, you could make a thing that gathers emails, but it would  
> have to
> allow 1 vote per email, and write some kind of form to work inside the
> email. A lot more trouble, IMHO than making a simple web page.
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
> End of use-revolution Digest, Vol 71, Issue 25
> **********************************************

Stephen,

You are probably right about using doing this on the  web.
I'm not concerned about duplicate "voting". This really a query about  
how people in the neighborhood are dealing with the fire insurance  
problem. I live in the Sierra Nevada foothills and as you know,  
California's rural areas burn down every summer and insurance is  
getting to be a problem.

The responses will be open ended narratives, so the reply windows  
need to scroll. I'm afraid my Web skill may not be up to the task. I  
need to work on this, particularly how to get the responses returned  
to me.

Thanks for your advice.

Jim Hurley





From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Fri Aug 14 17:31:58 2009
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 22:31:58 +0100
Subject: Transcript should be called Transcript
In-Reply-To: <20090813164817.028DA48B33D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090813164817.028DA48B33D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <05EC6BF9-AD9A-4003-994E-F8340F0C7CDC@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>



> Subject: Re: Transcript should be called Transcript
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>
>
> Colin.
>
> I was saying, pointedly, that the name itself did not stick;  
> therefore the
> branding was rather less successful than, say, Kleenex.
>
> I did not mean to imply that we were losing our faculties.
>
> I am actually disheartened at the new name because I thiink it  
> matters. But
> maybe like "Avenue of the Americas" in Manhattan, perhaps nobody  
> will ever
> use it.
>
> Craig

I mourned the death of Transcript in 2006

http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/ 
msg81939.html

for very selfish reasons.  I'm not sure I like it persisting as a  
nosferatu.  How about T++ or T# ;-)

David Glasgow

From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Aug 14 17:40:37 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:40:37 -0700
Subject: Challenge: How can we set the rect of a polygon to its visual
 rect?
In-Reply-To: <4A85CEF8.70103@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <C6AB27E5.43AE7%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> So again, does anybody know a way - or a workaround - to "crop" a
> regular graphic to the size of its visual rect?

AFAIK, you can't physically crop a regular polygon.  So I'd ask, why do you
need to do this and is there another solution that would work for you?

Otherwise, an option is to draw the polygon yourself as polygon graphic.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug 14 18:42:17 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:42:17 -0700
Subject: Import gMail?
In-Reply-To: <20090712170004.5B17E48A8C8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090712170004.5B17E48A8C8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <746B8FE9-62AB-459B-AA1E-DC5EE929D1A1@sbcglobal.net>

> Jim-
>
> Friday, August 14, 2009, 11:10:33 AM, you wrote:
>
> > something to do with the fact that pi is a transcendental number and
> > not simply an irrational number.
>
> Reminds me of my favorite equation:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_identity

Mark,

Mine too. It has it all. All the fundamental numbers plus a geometric  
visualization in the complex plane.

Jim Hurley

>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 19:18:13 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:18:13 +1000
Subject: Importing gMail?
In-Reply-To: <AE6E757B-057C-4936-97AC-FA15C9C9E4FA@sbcglobal.net>
References: <AE6E757B-057C-4936-97AC-FA15C9C9E4FA@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908141618w33dbe918wd3f8aa6234f2efcf@mail.gmail.com>

> However, there is something strange going on here (Mac OS 10.5.8 and Rev.
> 3.5 and 4) with your POP Library.
> When I click "Check mail" your stack begins to download emails from my Mac
> Mail account (from which I have forwarded my gMails). It begins with:
> Reading message 1 of 72, and them moves on to message 2 etc. until it
> reaches message 30 when it stops reading briefly and begins all over again
> from message 1.

Have a look at the checkForEmails handler in the "Read Emails" button.
The problem I am trying to avoid is that when you tell a POP server to
delete an email, it doesn't do it right away, but waits until the
connection is closed. This means that if you are reading email #999
out of 1000 and the connection fails, all those 999 emails have to be
re-read. So I read 30 at a time and then close the connection. If
there were more than 30 emails, it then re-schedules another check a
few seconds later to read more.

In your case, you do not have it deleting the read emails (a very good
idea during testing), so when it tries again, there are still 72
emails, so it reads the first 30 again.

I have just uploaded a new version to my site (after realising that
the previous upload had contained the library stack only and not the
demo stack).
I will read the first 30 emails as before, but if the "Delete emails"
checkbox is not checked, it will not then try to read again, so won't
get stuck in the infinite loop. You can find the new version here:
<http://www.troz.net/rev/>.


> Also, in looking through your scripts, I would like to be able to insert a
> conditional statement to download only email with a specific subject but I
> can't see where to inset this. Is this possible? Not critical; this can be
> done after the fact.

Yes, this is very easily done. Again, have a look in the script of the
"Read Emails" button and look for the "readMessage" handler. In the
new version, I have included a commented-out section that shows how
you can decide whether or not to download an email based on subject.
The libraray gets the top of the email which includes all the headers.
It uses this to extract the subject, sender and recipient, so can
decide whether to download based on these or on the size or UIDL of
the email.


> (By the way, the stack opens with the "Read emails" button disabled. Maybe a
> card script: On opencard \ set the disabled of button "Read emails" to false
> \ end opencard.)

Done :-)

Please feel free to email me off-list if you have any other questions
or if you would like me to make any modifications.

Cheers,
Sarah


From katir at hindu.org  Fri Aug 14 19:27:38 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:27:38 -1000
Subject: Importing gMail?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908132228m2b4a57cex69697bc1b8028114@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090813231654.10AC248AE72@mail.runrev.com>	<2297C0E9-59D8-4BD6-8444-53EFD6C07BD8@sbcglobal.net>
	<f99b52860908132228m2b4a57cex69697bc1b8028114@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A85F2EA.6000107@hindu.org>

OT: it's not revolution, but you can make a spreadsheet in Google docs 
where the column headers are the query labels in your form.  Or , from 
the form menu build the form and this produces the spread sheet.

Responses are posted to a spread sheet. Get all your email addresses 
lined up on the clipboard and send the form to everyone by email. (use 
the share feature...)  Some will be able to see it and fill it out right 
in their email client, others will get a link to the form on the web.  
Sit back a couple of days later you go to your Google spread sheet and 
is all there. you can have columns in the spread sheet that do not 
appear on the form, for your internal use.

i.e. possibly no need to reinvent the wheel on this one. This is one 
thing that Google seems to have gotten right... (I'm always just a bit 
disappointed with Google apps because there some gotcha or wall I keep 
running into  here and there... latest is, Google sites doesn't let you 
touch the CSS... but on  the up side they final introduced groups into 
their ACL framework.

Sivakatirswami




Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:15 AM, James Hurley<jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>   
>> I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via gMail to
>> members of my neighborhood association.
>>
>> I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to import the
>> responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing?
>>
>> I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this list cannot
>> do. Is this a bridge too far?
>>     
>
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I was going to suggest enabling Gmail's POP access and using my POP
> library to get the emails, but after checking, I see Gmail's POP uses
> SSL on port 995 which my library does not do.
>
> However you can set up Gmail to forward all emails to another address
> and if you use one with standard POP access, then you can certainly
> use my POP library as the basis for an email reader. You can download
> the library and a sample stack from <http://www.troz.net/rev/>.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Aug 14 22:56:42 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 04:56:42 +0200
Subject: [OT] iPhone development
Message-ID: <AC44C25D-DCCC-4C98-B223-2740DCD9A875@ezpzapps.com>

I'm curious, has anyone on the list actually made an iPhone app?

Also curious, is there anyone here who could make an iPhone app?

Reason for the questions: I'm discussing a few things with a potential/ 
possible client and want to be ready for all circumstances they might  
throw at me. I'm suspecting an iPhone app might be one of several  
things they want.


sims

From infinite00 at embarqmail.com  Fri Aug 14 23:22:25 2009
From: infinite00 at embarqmail.com (Bruce Pokras)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:22:25 -0400
Subject: Firefox works for revlet but not IE? was - Re: cookbook for
	putting Rev app on the web?
In-Reply-To: <4A82F0EF.2000507@castandcrew.com>
References: <4A82F0EF.2000507@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <50C351B0-4A0C-4358-98DA-89499FF1E234@embarqmail.com>

Yep. Exactly the same on my company laptop (Win XP Pro). I do not  
have admin privileges, so I have been assuming that that is the  
problem. Firefox OK, IE not OK.

Bruce Pokras
Blazing Dawn Software

On Aug 12, 2009, at 12:42 PM, Sadhu Nadesan wrote:

> Status
>
> Ok, the app failure to launch in a web page on our work web servers  
> must have something to do with the configuration of my browser,  
> Apache, my PC, our firewall rules, etc.  Reason is - I can put the  
> 2 same files, one test.html file and one revlet, on my home web  
> server and it works just fine.
>
> Just fine that is in Firefox.  In IE, it keeps telling me I need to  
> download the plug in, despite the fact that has been done more than  
> once.
>
> Anyone else have this "IE only" problem?
>
> Mahalo
> Sadhu
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 14 23:28:49 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:28:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Challenge: How can we set the rect of a polygon to its visual
 rect?
In-Reply-To: <4A85CEF8.70103@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4A85891A.3000801@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<4A85CEF8.70103@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <24981311.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Wilhelm,

Take a look at the script of this stack,
to check if some code is useful:

http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/mask_bitmap02.zip

This version included the option to crop 
the image while masking. 


Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
> 
> So again, does anybody know a way - or a workaround - to "crop" a 
> regular graphic to the size of its visual rect?
> 

-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Challenge%3A-How-can-we-set-the-rect-of-a-polygon-to-its-visual-rect--tp24974066p24981311.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Aug 14 23:57:10 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 13:57:10 +1000
Subject: [OT] iPhone development
In-Reply-To: <AC44C25D-DCCC-4C98-B223-2740DCD9A875@ezpzapps.com>
References: <AC44C25D-DCCC-4C98-B223-2740DCD9A875@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908142057l35527e81xd8bbd99cc5923f1c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 12:56 PM, jim sims<sims at ezpzapps.com> wrote:
> I'm curious, has anyone on the list actually made an iPhone app?
>
> Also curious, is there anyone here who could make an iPhone app?
>
> Reason for the questions: I'm discussing a few things with a
> potential/possible client and want to be ready for all circumstances they
> might throw at me. I'm suspecting an iPhone app might be one of several
> things they want.


I have, but it isn't available on the App store yet as the application
submission process is designed for Americans with a US tax ID, not for
Australian independent developers who are not registered for company
tax :-( However, I am working through it all and I'll get there in the
end.

I have a second project in the works, but it is being thoroughly
prototyped in Rev first.

As regards who can program for the iPhone, I can recommend a couple of
books for anyone interested in learning. While it is still C,
Objective-C is about as nice as C can get and once you get used to how
things are done, it isn't that difficult. Apple has lot of example
projects too.

Cheers,
Sarah


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Aug 15 05:00:06 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:00:06 +0300
Subject: What is your idea of a "Summer Holiday" ?
Message-ID: <4A867916.5010805@gmail.com>

This is mine:

http://mathewson.110mb.com/midmad.html


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sat Aug 15 08:36:42 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:36:42 -0500
Subject: Importing gMail?
In-Reply-To: <1B52CF66-3FDD-47B6-A646-17EDBC10070E@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20090814170005.0BD0648AC98@mail.runrev.com>
	<1B52CF66-3FDD-47B6-A646-17EDBC10070E@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4A86ABDA.8060901@crcom.net>

I would look no further than the revMedia demo site and download the 
code that (I think) Bill Marriot did for conducting an on line poll.  At 
least it's a good starting point.

len morgan

James Hurley wrote:
>>
>> It
>> looks like you're trying to do a survey. Perhaps there's a better way
>> than simple email responses. If you have on-rev you could make a form
>> that collects response and allows only one vote per IP.
>> It could keep the tally in a simple text
>> file. Not idiot proof but fine for a small group. You should be able 
>> to do
>> the same thing using the plugin.
>>
>> And yes, you could make a thing that gathers emails, but it would 
>> have to
>> allow 1 vote per email, and write some kind of form to work inside the
>> email. A lot more trouble, IMHO than making a simple web page.
>>
>> -------------------------
>> Stephen Barncard
>> San Francisco
>> http://barncard.com
>> End of use-revolution Digest, Vol 71, Issue 25
>> **********************************************
>
> Stephen,
>
> You are probably right about using doing this on the  web.
> I'm not concerned about duplicate "voting". This really a query about 
> how people in the neighborhood are dealing with the fire insurance 
> problem. I live in the Sierra Nevada foothills and as you know, 
> California's rural areas burn down every summer and insurance is 
> getting to be a problem.
>
> The responses will be open ended narratives, so the reply windows need 
> to scroll. I'm afraid my Web skill may not be up to the task. I need 
> to work on this, particularly how to get the responses returned to me.
>
> Thanks for your advice.
>
> Jim Hurley
>
>
>
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Sat Aug 15 09:42:56 2009
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:42:56 +0100
Subject: Importing gMail?
In-Reply-To: <2297C0E9-59D8-4BD6-8444-53EFD6C07BD8@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20090813231654.10AC248AE72@mail.runrev.com>
	<2297C0E9-59D8-4BD6-8444-53EFD6C07BD8@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <4A86BB60.9000104@cogapp.com>

On 14/8/09 01:15, James Hurley wrote:
> I'm thinking of sending a query (kind of an open ended survey) via gMail 
> to members of my neighborhood association.
> 
> I'm expecting a couple hundred replies. Is there some way to import the 
> responses into Rev programatically for subsequent processing?
> 
> I've come to believe that there is nothing that members of this list 
> cannot do. Is this a bridge too far?

Indicating once again how many ways there are to skin cats - when I've done 
this sort of thing, I've used my standard mail client (whatever it happened to 
be at the time) to collect the email responses (ie using it's own 
rules/filtering system to collect the relevant emails into a particular 
folder); then used Rev to analyse the emails to derive whatever the statistics 
or results I was after.  Of course, you can configure your mail client to 
retrieve your gmail mail.

Depending on the mail client, I used to use AppleScript to get mail out of 
first Outlook; and then Entourage; now I use Thunderbird, which makes it even 
easier because each mail folder is a single text file with a simple and well 
documented format.  (Apple Mail, which I think you use, I believe keeps each 
email in a separate text file, in a folder structure representing your folders.)

An alternative, not involving Rev at all, would be to use on of the many free 
web services available.  I've used doodle.com for some things, which is 
excellent for collating responses from a relatively small group choosing 
between alternatives, where everyone's response is seen.  But for larger 
groups, or where you want anonymous replies, a quick Google suggests tons of 
sites offering to host polls.  I suspect many of them are for embedding into 
your blog etc, but there must be some which like Doodle host the whole thing.

- Ben



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Aug 15 10:57:53 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:57:53 -0700
Subject: What is your idea of a "Summer Holiday" ?
In-Reply-To: <4A867916.5010805@gmail.com>
References: <4A867916.5010805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17966920328.20090815075753@ahsoftware.net>

Richmond-

Saturday, August 15, 2009, 2:00:06 AM, you wrote:

> http://mathewson.110mb.com/midmad.html

But remember it's no longer Sanskrit, but revT... oh... wait...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From stevejones at mac.com  Sat Aug 15 13:45:35 2009
From: stevejones at mac.com (Steve Jones)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:45:35 -0500
Subject: Groups
Message-ID: <0AD7D2FF-A4AA-46B0-BC2C-3FE82A01BBD3@mac.com>

I'm a little confused by RR's handling of backgrounds. It seems that  
grouping items makes them go to the background and appear on all cards  
in a stack. But then you can't edit the scripts of the items in that  
group - just the script of that group. Is there any way to have items  
in the background and still get to their scripts?

Steve



From lists at futilism.com  Sat Aug 15 14:47:58 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:47:58 +0100
Subject: Groups
In-Reply-To: <0AD7D2FF-A4AA-46B0-BC2C-3FE82A01BBD3@mac.com>
References: <0AD7D2FF-A4AA-46B0-BC2C-3FE82A01BBD3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <33DD572A-64B2-4FDF-835E-F2905C501544@futilism.com>

Steve, if you call up the object inspector for the group, there's a  
check button for "backgroundBehaviour", so you can choose the  
appropriate behaviour for your case.

Also, in the Rev toolbar, there's a button "SelectGrouped". If this  
is hilted then you can select the individual controls in a group,  
otherwise, clicking on any member of the group will select the group.

There are some other niceties to do with groups and parent scripts,  
but that's the basics.

Best,

Mark

On 15 Aug 2009, at 18:45, Steve Jones wrote:

> I'm a little confused by RR's handling of backgrounds. It seems  
> that grouping items makes them go to the background and appear on  
> all cards in a stack. But then you can't edit the scripts of the  
> items in that group - just the script of that group. Is there any  
> way to have items in the background and still get to their scripts?
>
> Steve
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Sat Aug 15 14:56:32 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:56:32 -0600
Subject: Groups
In-Reply-To: <0AD7D2FF-A4AA-46B0-BC2C-3FE82A01BBD3@mac.com>
References: <0AD7D2FF-A4AA-46B0-BC2C-3FE82A01BBD3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D4927F8D-588F-4C23-A4C4-2F67A5DF7C88@byu.edu>

Hi Steve,

On Aug 15, 2009, at 11:45 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

> I'm a little confused by RR's handling of backgrounds. It seems that
> grouping items makes them go to the background and appear on all cards
> in a stack. But then you can't edit the scripts of the items in that
> group - just the script of that group. Is there any way to have items
> in the background and still get to their scripts?


Do I remember correctly that you're a long-time HyperCard guy? Groups  
are just about the hardest things to grasp coming from HC, but once  
you get them, you'll never look back.

The main confusion with groups seems to be that they're sort of dual  
purpose.

1 - They're used just for associating things into a single object, so  
you can give them all similar properties, move them around together,  
etc.; and

2 - They are used to create groups of controls that can exist on more  
than one card, much like a background in HyperCard. Only in Rev, you  
can have an unlimited number of background groups. To make a  
background group, just create the group, then open the property  
inspector for the group and click the "Behave like a background"  
checkbox. Now when you make new cards the group will appear on them.  
The group also gets place *after* the card in the the message  
hierarchy, whereas a non-background group is *before* the card.

As far as selecting items in a group goes, just Select Grouped icon on  
the toolbar. If it's selected, you can select objects in a group; if  
not you select the whole group.

I have a longer discussion about groups at http://revolution.byu.edu/groups/groups.php 
  .

HTH,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Aug 15 15:11:18 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:11:18 -0700
Subject: Groups
In-Reply-To: <D4927F8D-588F-4C23-A4C4-2F67A5DF7C88@byu.edu>
References: <0AD7D2FF-A4AA-46B0-BC2C-3FE82A01BBD3@mac.com>
	<D4927F8D-588F-4C23-A4C4-2F67A5DF7C88@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <1082125421.20090815121118@ahsoftware.net>

Steve-

I'll support what Devin says here. This is one of those cases where
it's actually better *not* to have HyperCard experience since you'd
have less unlearning to do. Forget everything you know about HyperCard
backgrounds - runrev does things completely differently. HC had a
limited paradigm to work with and you'll find that rr has a much
richer palette in terms of tools and objects.

I find that it's easier not to think of the "background" word at all
and just deal with where groups are going to be in the message
hierarchy.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sat Aug 15 17:06:27 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:06:27 +0200
Subject: Challenge: How can we set the rect of a polygon to its visual
 rect? (and a tentative solution)
Message-ID: <4A872353.6080005@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

In the meantime I managed to have a look at the two stacks Scott and 
Capellan offered in this context.
 
Capellan had written:

> Hi Wilhelm,
>
> Take a look at the script of this stack,
> to check if some code is useful:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/mask_bitmap02.zip
>
> This version included the option to crop
> the image while masking. 

Your stack that demonstrates possibilities to use masks is surely 
impressive, but I failed to find a script in the stack that includes a 
cropping algorithm.
Could it be that "the option to crop" is contained in a different 
version of your stack?

===

Scott Rossi had offered a sample stack for cropping in his first post of 
this thread:

> "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/crop2alphaRect.rev"
>
> The stack generates a random regular polygon and then creates a matching
> image cropped to the extents of the original graphic.

Thanks again for your contributions to this thread, Scott.

Your carefully scripted cropping procedure indeed manages to crop an 
image - snapshot-generated from a graphic - to its visual rect precisely 
to the last pixel.

I changed the polysides property in your script for higher values and 
learned that (with the exception of a rhomb - a 4-sided regular polygon) 
indeed all regular polygons possess "visual" rects that differ from  
their proper rects. In the case of a 13-sided regular polygon - given 
the size of your graphics in your sample stack - this difference still 
is one pixel, certainly negligible, but the difference is there.

My own approach to crop images to their visual rects has so far been a 
simple and manual one: I place a rect over the image, adjust it manually 
to the edges of the visual contents of the image, and then crop the 
image to the rect of the overlying rect.--

===

What has been overlooked to some extent in your responses was that my 
original question concerned the "cropping" of a *graphic* and as a 
*graphic* to its "visual" rect.

As selection tools (to access a portion of an image for further 
processing) I have used freely painted polygons - as distinct from 
"regular polygons" - for quite a long time in my image processing 
stacks. My G.W.Bush caricature, which I had presented to this list two 
years ago and which elicited very diverse responses, was produced with 
my "Photo Patchworks" stack using among other selection graphics also 
normal hand-drawn polygons.

With normal hand-drawn polygons there are *no* differences between rects 
and visual rects. The sense or the reason why "regular" polygons should 
possess such differences escape me. Maybe it is just a case of "sloppy" 
programming, "sloppy" meaning in this case that the relevant script 
parts of the engine could be easily improved to abolish such differences 
in regular polygons.

I have experimented a bit and offer here some thoughts and script 
examples how to convert "regular polygons" to "polygons" without rect 
differences:

Polygons have "points" that determine the shape of the graphic.
If you ask for the points of a "regular polygon" you just get the rect 
values. The shape of a regular polygon is defined by the polysides 
property and its angle.

You can convert a polygon to a regular polygon and vice versa by using 
"set the style of grc x to "regular" (or "polygon")".
If you convert a polygon to a regular polygon you inevitably get a 
four-sided rhomb, no matter how many sides your original polygon has 
possessed - unless you determine the number of polysides beforehand.

The other way round, converting a regular polygon to a polygon leaves 
you with an *empty* graphic, because the points of its rect are not 
acknowledged as valid points for the polygon.
But you can define the points of a regular polygon - for example by 
setting its "points" to the points of a normal polygon. Nothing will 
happen here when you set these points, until you then convert the 
regular to a normal polygon. After such a conversion you can switch 
between the two "styles" of the polygon (set the style of grc x to ..) 
and will see the different shapes of the styles.
Of course it is not reasonable to set the points of a regular to that of 
a normal polygon, because this normal polygon already exists and can be 
used for any purposes.

The question is, how do you compute the points of a polygon (that will 
extend to the full size of the rect of a regular polygon without 
differences between rect and visual rect) if you do not have a normal 
polygon as a template?

Example 1:

Create a regular three-sided polygon and set its angle to 30. You will 
get an upright triangle with a substantial transparent part at the 
bottom of its rect.
Get the dimensions of the rect, compute the points, and then convert it 
to a normal polygon using a script like this:

on mouseUp
  put the topleft of grc "Test" into TL
  put the bottomleft of grc "Test" into BL
  put the bottomright of grc "Test" into BR
  put the width of grc "Test" into twidth
  put trunc(twidth/2) into twidthhalf
  #=========set the points for the "free" polygon=======
  put empty into tpoints
  put (item 1 of TL + twidthhalf, item 2 of TL) into tpoints
  # for the first line of tpoints "put into"
  put CR&BL after tpoints
  put CR&BR after tpoints
  put CR& (item 1 of TL) + twidthhalf, item 2 of TL after tpoints
  #========================
  set the points of grc "Test" to tpoints
  set the style of grc "Test" to "polygon"
end mouseUp

Now you have got a polygon that extends to the size of the full rect of 
the former regular polygon, displaying *no* differences between rect and 
visual rect.

Now add two buttons for converting grc "test" from polygon to regular 
polygon and the other way round and you can see the effects

Example 2:

Create a hexagon, a six-sided regular polygon, then use this somewhat 
more detailed script:

on mouseUp
  put the topleft of grc "Test2" into TL
  put the topright of grc "Test2" into TR
  put the bottomleft of grc "Test2" into BL
  put the bottomright of grc "Test2" into BR
  put the width of grc "Test2" into twidth
  put the height of grc "Test2" into theight
  put trunc(twidth/4) into twidthquart
  put trunc(theight/2) into theighthalf
  #=========set the points for the "free" hexagon polygon==================
  put empty into tpoints
  put (item 1 of TL + twidthquart, item 2 of TL) into tpoints
  # for the first line of tpoints "put into"
  put Cr& (item 1 of TL, item 2 of TL + theighthalf) after tpoints
  put CR& (item 1 of BL + twidthquart, item 2 of BL) after tpoints
  put CR& (item 1 of BR - twidthquart, item 2 of BR) after tpoints
  put Cr& (item 1 of BR, item 2 of BR - theighthalf) after tpoints
  put CR& (item 1 of TR - twidthquart, item 2 of TR) after tpoints
  put CR& (item 1 of TL + twidthquart, item 2 of TL) after tpoints
   #========================
  set the points of grc "Test2" to tpoints
  set the style of grc "Test2" to "polygon"
end mouseUp

Add another two buttons for converting the styles of grc "Test2" like in 
the above example.---

What is obvious is that in the first place you do not need a regular 
polygon to compute the points of a polygon without differences between 
rects and visual rects, all that you need are just the dimensions of a rect!

The calculation of the points for other numbers of sides may require  
more effort, but seems to be feasable.

I conclude: I think it should be a relatively easy task for the 
programmers of Revolution (or Transcript, RevTalk etc.) to abolish the 
inconsistency of regular polygons of  having different sizes for visual 
rects and their proper rects as a graphic.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>


From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Sat Aug 15 20:09:09 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 17:09:09 -0700
Subject: Groups
In-Reply-To: <0AD7D2FF-A4AA-46B0-BC2C-3FE82A01BBD3@mac.com>
References: <0AD7D2FF-A4AA-46B0-BC2C-3FE82A01BBD3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9494B7C3-37F4-48D4-B0CF-C9C08F058DDC@LinkIt.Com>

Sure.  You can always type into the message box "edit script of btn  
1".  You can also click on Object, choose Card Inspector, click the  
right arrow and choose the button or control you want to inspect.   
 From there click the right arrow again and choose Edit Script.  There  
should be (and maybe there is and I don't know about it) an easier way  
to edit the script of a control in a group.  In the Metacard interface  
it's somewhat easier but still a little bit of running around.

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Software

On Aug 15, 2009, at 10:45 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

> I'm a little confused by RR's handling of backgrounds. It seems that  
> grouping items makes them go to the background and appear on all  
> cards in a stack. But then you can't edit the scripts of the items  
> in that group - just the script of that group. Is there any way to  
> have items in the background and still get to their scripts?
>
> Steve
>
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 15 19:56:10 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:56:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Challenge: How can we set the rect of a polygon to its visual
 rect? (and a tentative solution)
In-Reply-To: <4A872353.6080005@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4A872353.6080005@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <24989177.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Wilhelm,


Wilhelm Sanke, FB01 wrote:
> 
> Could it be that "the option to crop" is contained in a different 
> version of your stack?
> 

This the part of the script that crop the image to
the size of the user created cropping rectangle:

 if cropImage = "true"
    then
      repeat until foundGraphic = 1 -- or qfl = the number of lines of
tSelection
        put line qfl of tSelection into tGraphic
        if qfl = the number of lines of tSelection then put 1 into
foundGraphic
        if word 1 of tGraphic is "graphic" and the forecolor of tGraphic =
cropColor
        then
          put 1 into foundGraphic
          set the name of tGraphic to "tCropGraphicRectangle"
          set the layer of graphic "tCropGraphicRectangle" to the layer of
tMaskedImage + 1
          put the rect of graphic "tCropGraphicRectangle" into zxy
          
          do "crop" && tMaskedImage && "to" && zxy
        else
          add 1 to qfl
        end if
      end repeat
    end if



Wilhelm Sanke, FB01 wrote:
> 
> The question is, how do you compute the points of a polygon (that will 
> extend to the full size of the rect of a regular polygon without 
> differences between rect and visual rect) if you do not have a normal 
> polygon as a template?
> 

Some time ago, i posted a stack named "export_regular_polygons"
than shows a formula to convert regular polygons (3 to 20 sides)
in polygons:

http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/export_regular_polygons.zip

on mouseUp
  
  if the hilite of btn "Leave Trails" is false
  then
    repeat with i = the number of grcs of this stack down to 3
      if the name of graphic i contains "Test"
      then next repeat
      else delete grc i
    end repeat
  end if
  
  --  if fld "sides" is a number then set the polysides of me to fld "sides"
  set the polysides of me to the short name of btn id 2114
  
  put the polysides of me into asdfg
  put 360/asdfg into regularPolygonAngle
  
  if fld "grcangle" is a number and fld "grcangle" < 361 then set the angle
of me to round(fld "grcangle")
  put the angle of me into qwerty
  
  put item 1 of the loc of me into mX
  put item 2 of the loc of me into mY
  
  put the rect of me into lkjhg
  put abs(item 1 of lkjhg - item 3 of lkjhg) into plm1
  put abs(item 2 of lkjhg - item 4 of lkjhg) into plm2
  if plm1 <> plm2
  then
    if plm1 > plm2
    then
      put (plm1 / 2)  into polarRadius
    else put (plm2 / 2 ) into polarRadius
  else
    put (plm1 / 2) into polarRadius
  end if
  
  if fld "exact" is a number then put polarRadius - fld "exact" into
polarRadius
  -- this is very interesting, because this operation make the figure more
exact!
  
  repeat with i = 1 to asdfg -- the sides of the reg poly
    put (regularPolygonAngle * i) + qwerty into ang
    put (ang * pi )/ 180 into radians
    -- find rectangular coordinates of  ( polarRadius,radians)
    if the hilite of btn "Use statRound" is true
    then
      put statround(mX + (polarRadius * cos (radians))) & "," after rfv
      put statround(mY + (polarRadius * sin (radians))) & return after rfv
    else -- the hilite of btn "Use round"
      put round(mX + (polarRadius * cos (radians))) & "," after rfv
      put round(mY + (polarRadius * sin (radians))) & return after rfv
    end if
  end repeat
  
  put item 1 of the first line of rfv,item 2 of the first line of rfv after
rfv
-- put line 1 of rfv after rfv -- using this line produces an strange bug on
-- polygons of 8 sides. It puts letters instead of numbers in the last line

  set the style of the templategraphic to polygon
  create grc
  set the points of it to rfv
--  set the rect of it to the rect of me -- lkjhg
  if the hilite of btn "Put Points into Msg" is true then put rfv
  
  choose browse tool
end mouseUp


Wilhelm Sanke, FB01 wrote:
> 
> I conclude: I think it should be a relatively easy task for the 
> programmers of Revolution (or Transcript, RevTalk etc.) to abolish the 
> inconsistency of regular polygons of  having different sizes for visual 
> rects and their proper rects as a graphic.
> 

i agree. if you fill an enhancement request in the Runrev Quality
Control Center, i will vote for it.

Have a nice weekend.

al

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From irog at mac.com  Sat Aug 15 23:32:50 2009
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 20:32:50 -0700
Subject: [OT] Copyright Question
Message-ID: <D41A576D-5730-4CE7-B5EC-BB3EC29792F8@mac.com>

I have a great video that I would like to use in promotional  
materials. I can't remember where it came from, it has no copyright  
info on it, and I have diligently searched the web for it's origin to  
no avail. How can I legally use this video?

TIA and cheers,
Roger


From stevejones at mac.com  Sat Aug 15 23:43:32 2009
From: stevejones at mac.com (Steve Jones)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 22:43:32 -0500
Subject: [OT] Copyright Question
In-Reply-To: <D41A576D-5730-4CE7-B5EC-BB3EC29792F8@mac.com>
References: <D41A576D-5730-4CE7-B5EC-BB3EC29792F8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E073AF3B-A8BE-49CB-8FE2-3164BFE759E2@mac.com>

The short answer is, if you didn't produce it and can't secure the  
rights or prove it is in the public domain, you can't without risking  
a lawsuit at a later date.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 15, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:

> I have a great video that I would like to use in promotional  
> materials. I can't remember where it came from, it has no copyright  
> info on it, and I have diligently searched the web for it's origin  
> to no avail. How can I legally use this video?
>
> TIA and cheers,
> Roger
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun Aug 16 00:31:34 2009
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 21:31:34 -0700
Subject: [OT] Copyright Question
In-Reply-To: <E073AF3B-A8BE-49CB-8FE2-3164BFE759E2@mac.com>
References: <D41A576D-5730-4CE7-B5EC-BB3EC29792F8@mac.com>
	<E073AF3B-A8BE-49CB-8FE2-3164BFE759E2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7DB3AA91-6625-4AFD-BEA9-5CC2A5D387F0@cox.net>

Hey Roger,

Though I don't pretend to "know" this for a fact, in my copyright  
research many years ago, I discovered that if something is published  
without a proper copyright notice then the published item is  
automatically in the public domain; And one cannot subsequently  
publish that same item WITH a copyright notice expecting to remove it  
from the public domain; so if, as you say, the item has no copyright  
notice affixed to it, you should feel free to use it in any manner you  
see fit; though, personally, I would utilize some sort of "disclaimer"  
that would inform others as to its status. And you had better look  
everywhere that such a notice may be concealed. You should NOT attempt  
to copyright it yourself, but attribute it to the original creator if  
at all possible. Additionally, you are not required to Register items  
you copyright, but proving the validity of your copyright at a later  
date, if you do not, is virtually impossible. So you may as a last  
ditch effort, try to find out if a copyright for the item was ever  
Registered. If not, then you are really safe in using it.

Consequently, if you create anything that you expect you will  
eventually wish to copyright for yourself, you should affix a proper  
copyright notice to it even when you publish it very narrowly by  
sending a copy to a single individual. And, eventually, you should  
register the copyright. All of our emails, for example, since none of  
us apply CR notices to them, are in the public domain.

JMHO,

Joe Wilkins




On Aug 15, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

> The short answer is, if you didn't produce it and can't secure the  
> rights or prove it is in the public domain, you can't without  
> risking a lawsuit at a later date.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 15, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Roger Guay <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a great video that I would like to use in promotional  
>> materials. I can't remember where it came from, it has no copyright  
>> info on it, and I have diligently searched the web for it's origin  
>> to no avail. How can I legally use this video?
>>
>> TIA and cheers,
>> Roger
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Aug 16 02:12:27 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 23:12:27 -0700
Subject: Groups
Message-ID: <4A87A34B.1020802@fourthworld.com>

Steve Jones wrote:

> I'm a little confused by RR's handling of backgrounds. It seems that  
> grouping items makes them go to the background and appear on all cards  
> in a stack. But then you can't edit the scripts of the items in that  
> group - just the script of that group. Is there any way to have items  
> in the background and still get to their scripts?

I'm not sure I understand this, since I have no trouble editing things 
in groups just like I edit anything else.

But this could be because I leave the selectGroupedControls property on 
most of the time while I'm working.  There's a button to toggle this in 
the Rev toolbar.

I it's something other than that please let me know, it would be 
interesting to learn more about how newcomers perceive groups. 
Somewhere in there could be some valuable enhancements for the IDE...

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From wjm at wjm.org  Sun Aug 16 03:09:38 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (William Marriott)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 08:09:38 +0100
Subject: [OT] Copyright Question
In-Reply-To: <7DB3AA91-6625-4AFD-BEA9-5CC2A5D387F0@cox.net>
References: <D41A576D-5730-4CE7-B5EC-BB3EC29792F8@mac.com>	<E073AF3B-A8BE-49CB-8FE2-3164BFE759E2@mac.com>
	<7DB3AA91-6625-4AFD-BEA9-5CC2A5D387F0@cox.net>
Message-ID: <h68bbi$3bu$1@ger.gmane.org>

No, you do not need to affix a copyright notice in order for something 
to be protected.

http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html


Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Hey Roger,
> 
> Though I don't pretend to "know" this for a fact, in my copyright 
> research many years ago, I discovered that if something is published 
> without a proper copyright notice then the published item is 
> automatically in the public domain; And one cannot subsequently publish 
> that same item WITH a copyright notice expecting to remove it from the 
> public domain; so if, as you say, the item has no copyright notice 
> affixed to it, you should feel free to use it in any manner you see fit; 
> though, personally, I would utilize some sort of "disclaimer" that would 
> inform others as to its status. And you had better look everywhere that 
> such a notice may be concealed. You should NOT attempt to copyright it 
> yourself, but attribute it to the original creator if at all possible. 
> Additionally, you are not required to Register items you copyright, but 
> proving the validity of your copyright at a later date, if you do not, 
> is virtually impossible. So you may as a last ditch effort, try to find 
> out if a copyright for the item was ever Registered. If not, then you 
> are really safe in using it.
> 
> Consequently, if you create anything that you expect you will eventually 
> wish to copyright for yourself, you should affix a proper copyright 
> notice to it even when you publish it very narrowly by sending a copy to 
> a single individual. And, eventually, you should register the copyright. 
> All of our emails, for example, since none of us apply CR notices to 
> them, are in the public domain.
> 
> JMHO,
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 15, 2009, at 8:43 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> 
>> The short answer is, if you didn't produce it and can't secure the 
>> rights or prove it is in the public domain, you can't without risking 
>> a lawsuit at a later date.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 15, 2009, at 10:32 PM, Roger Guay 
>> <irog at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a great video that I would like to use in promotional 
>>> materials. I can't remember where it came from, it has no copyright 
>>> info on it, and I have diligently searched the web for it's origin to 
>>> no avail. How can I legally use this video?
>>>
>>> TIA and cheers,
>>> Roger



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Aug 16 05:09:44 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:09:44 +0200
Subject: datagrid problem resolved
Message-ID: <B007007A-82CC-49E9-A569-2E251D025CBC@skynet.be>

Hi list

if you have a fld in a datagrid ( Form style) and this fld (let us  
name him : "body") contains from row to row a variable text,
you will use a layout script in the following form :
    put item 2 of theRect + the formattedHeight of field "Body" of me  
into item 4 of theRect

It gives problems. if you want to avoid problems, you have to put a  
height to your fld "body" which is high enough so that the  
"formattedheight" can return a good value

    put item 2 of theRect + 50 into item 4 of theRect  -- "50" is  
arbitrary
    -- then set the rect
    set the rect of fld "Body" of me to theRect
    -- now get the correct value of the Formattedheight
   put item 2 of theRect + the formattedHeight of field "Body" of me  
into item 4 of theRect
   set the rect of fld "Body" of me to theRect

This work perfectly

Thanks to Trevor, I have send many mails to him to say "There is a  
problem, the layout script doesn't run appropriately !"
But Trevor didn't lose his patience and he found the solution !
Also my English is limited. Perhaps some users can give more  
"sophisticated" explanations.


Greetings.

Amicalement.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sun Aug 16 06:26:03 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 11:26:03 +0100
Subject: [OT] Copyright Question
In-Reply-To: <h68bbi$3bu$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <D41A576D-5730-4CE7-B5EC-BB3EC29792F8@mac.com>	<E073AF3B-A8BE-49CB-8FE2-3164BFE759E2@mac.com>
	<7DB3AA91-6625-4AFD-BEA9-5CC2A5D387F0@cox.net>
	<h68bbi$3bu$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <7DC5740C-1E62-41AC-AC35-2E22CA0CF0A4@azurevision.co.uk>

On 16 Aug 2009, at 08:09, William Marriott wrote:

> No, you do not need to affix a copyright notice in order for  
> something to be protected.

Yep. As far as I'm aware, in ALL countries that have signed up to the  
Berne Convention copyright is automatically assigned as soon as you  
produce something. Adding a copyright symbol (and in the US  
registering the book/photo/video etc. with the copyright office) is  
just to make it easier if things come to court.

Ian


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Aug 16 06:36:29 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 12:36:29 +0200
Subject: revlet and php
Message-ID: <24EEA927-B776-4CB4-81E4-C81D14082FE1@skynet.be>

Hi

I have a php function file which without any argument returns a value  
calculated by the php script

How can I get the result of this php script from a rev script ?

I've found a POST command but I don't need to send any argument to the  
php script file ??

Thanks.


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From bvg at mac.com  Sun Aug 16 07:09:35 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:09:35 +0200
Subject: revlet and php
In-Reply-To: <24EEA927-B776-4CB4-81E4-C81D14082FE1@skynet.be>
References: <24EEA927-B776-4CB4-81E4-C81D14082FE1@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <E28801F3-2D8D-43B3-AA97-3489E0BDDC91@mac.com>

it depends on how you interact with the "php file", as you said,  
you're using a revlet, which behaves like a client app on the persons  
computer who is interacting with it in his browser. Therefore you need  
to query the php via an url from your server.

put url "http://www.YvesServer.com/file.php"

if you're doing the same from an on-rev or cgi script, then it'd be  
better to use shell(), as you're on the same computer (your webhost  
server). however, on some hosts that might be disabled. for cgi's you  
can also use liburl by loading it from a stack, but that could take  
quite a bit longer then shell.

On 16 Aug 2009, at 12:36, Yves COPPE wrote:

> I have a php function file which without any argument returns a  
> value calculated by the php script
>
> How can I get the result of this php script from a rev script ?

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Aug 16 07:27:15 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:27:15 +0200
Subject: revlet and php
In-Reply-To: <E28801F3-2D8D-43B3-AA97-3489E0BDDC91@mac.com>
References: <24EEA927-B776-4CB4-81E4-C81D14082FE1@skynet.be>
	<E28801F3-2D8D-43B3-AA97-3489E0BDDC91@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E0AE6B25-8AD4-4A5A-8CC3-F36FD35E1FCB@skynet.be>


Le 16-ao?t-09 ? 13:09, Bj?rnke von Gierke a ?crit :

> it depends on how you interact with the "php file", as you said,  
> you're using a revlet, which behaves like a client app on the  
> persons computer who is interacting with it in his browser.  
> Therefore you need to query the php via an url from your server.
>
> put url "http://www.YvesServer.com/file.php"
>


Re

OK, it's good
Thanks.

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From niconiko at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 10:21:19 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:21:19 +0900
Subject: irev redirect URL?
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70908160721x5a81f2ddmcc285485c8825df4@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

I've made a series of irev and php pages/urls to be accessed by
Japanese cell-phones.

My question is:

Within an irev script (not the HTML code), is there a rev way to
redirect to a new url?

I tried "launch url". No go. And tried the meta-tag "REFRESH" outside
the <?rev ?> script, which works on PCs but not with Japanese
cell-phones.

Thank you.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From bvg at mac.com  Sun Aug 16 12:43:28 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 18:43:28 +0200
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
Message-ID: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>

Hi

I was trying to find an empty line in some text, and thought that  
lineoffset would be perfect for that. however, it seems to not work  
with the search-string being "".

I also thought this used to work (though i'm not totally sure, and  
haven't checked).

So.. bug or not?

thanks
bj?rnke


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From briany at qldlearning.com  Sun Aug 16 12:51:16 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 09:51:16 -0700
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>

I would think that technically, it should work with wholeMatches =  
true. Otherwise, with wholeMatches = false, it should return nothing.

I based this on consistency with the "normal" string logic that:

empty = empty (TRUE)
empty contains empty (FALSE)

With that said, it sounds like lineOffset isn't equipped to deal with  
this. Maybe you could use something like:

offset( (the lineDelimiter)&(thelineDelimiter) ) ?

> Hi
>
> I was trying to find an empty line in some text, and thought that  
> lineoffset would be perfect for that. however, it seems to not work  
> with the search-string being "".
>
> I also thought this used to work (though i'm not totally sure, and  
> haven't checked).
>
> So.. bug or not?
>
> thanks
> bj?rnke
>
>
> -- 
>
> official ChatRev page:
> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 16:32:12 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 21:32:12 +0100
Subject: Franklin 3D for Revolution Update
In-Reply-To: <3F805C9DFFF84BA6961A92CEA4D7AA7F@GATEWAY>
References: <3F805C9DFFF84BA6961A92CEA4D7AA7F@GATEWAY>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908161332v26f17dbdhb3c50dd31c18def5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Lynn, I'm raising some funding for a 3D app for Architects. Interested in
becoming a founder / co-investing in feature creation. Would like to know
more about the model formats that are supported - and inter-conversion
between model formats. Is it possible to send us some detail on this?

2009/8/9 Lynn Fredricks <lfredricks at proactive-intl.com>

> Hello all,
>
> A quick update on Franklin 3D - the 3D game and rendering engine for
> Revolution.
>
> We are going to be able to expose Franklin 3D for Revolution very soon to
> founders - I want one more example stack update. We have demo stack just
> about ready - some tasty bits:
>
> - Rendering includes OpenGL, two "software" renderers and Direct X 9
> (Windows only)
> - Loading a Quake Map
> - Unnative UI (there is a UI engine built right into it)
> - 2D sprite engine
> - Collision detection/gravity
> - Custom Scene Nodes
> - Movement
> - Terrain Rendering
> - Rendering to Texture
> - Split Screens (more to come on this - shows multi camera views - maybe
> multiplayer games...)
>
> Some of the effects aren't quite right yet, that's why the delay.
>
> That's the first batch of examples. There's one in the works that show how
> to handle call backs - several more coming.
>
> The demo stack will let you locate the media folder, select windows size,
> select renderer.
>
> Here's my top five Why This is Cool:
>
> - hardware accelerated graphics - both 3D AND 2D
> - lots of model formats supported, game and not game (like OBJ)
> - OpenGL gives you a great cross-platform option when the Mac OS X version
> is available
> - A lot of stuff like collision detection/gravity is REALLY easy
> - Useful for simulations, 3D viewers for graphics catalogs and more
>
> Founders will be able to pre-order, get codes right away and get into a
> private Google Group. Licenses will include 12 months of updates. The
> licensing system will be very similar to how Valentina works.
>
> Ill post other details soon.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sun Aug 16 16:46:12 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:46:12 +0200
Subject: Challenge: How can we set the rect of a polygon to its visual
 rect? (and a tentative solution)
Message-ID: <4A887014.7070307@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Sat Aug 15, 2009, capellan capellan2000 at yahoo.com wrote:
 
> Hi Wilhelm,
>
> (snip)
> Some time ago, i posted a stack named "export_regular_polygons"
> than shows a formula to convert regular polygons (3 to 20 sides)
> in polygons:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/export_regular_polygons.zip
>
> Wilhelm Sanke, FB01 wrote:
> >
> > I conclude: I think it should be a relatively easy task for the
> > programmers of Revolution (or Transcript, RevTalk etc.) to abolish the
> > inconsistency of regular polygons of  having different sizes for visual
> > rects and their proper rects as a graphic.
> >
>
> i agree. if you fill an enhancement request in the Runrev Quality
> Control Center, i will vote for it.
>
> Have a nice weekend.
>
> al

Hi al (or "Al" - or whatever is behind "al" - but no need to out yourself),

Amazing! Your stack indeed really "crops" a regular polygon and converts 
it to a normal polygon.

This - your approach to the conversion - was exactly what I was looking 
for and had imagined to be feasible.

I took the liberty to set the lockloc of grc "Test" to false to see how 
your script handles regular polygons when the polygon is being 
"distorted", i.e. when the angles of the regular polygon are not 
identical. In this case your script nevertheless determines the points 
for the normal polygon on the basis of an ideal shape of the regular 
polygon with identical angles, but at the same time considering the set 
angle (the possibly rotated angle of the whole polygon) of the regular 
polygon.
This "ideal" form of the converted polygon could of course then be 
distorted manually to be identical with the visual shape of the regular 
polygon. I assume this part of the conversion could also be scripted?--

Just to mention it for the sake of completeness, my own way to convert 
regular to normal polygons has been a simple "hands-on" approach - like 
in the case of cropping an image to its visual rect, which I had 
described in an earlier post:

- I either have traced the regular polygon with the free-hand polygon 
tool, which procedure needs a steady hand and in most cases later 
fine-tuning of the gained points for the polygon, or

- I clicked at the vertexes of the regular polygon ("put the mouseloc") 
to establish the points for the normal polygon, which also may need some 
fine-tuning afterwards.--

I believe that the Rev engine internally must know the values of the 
vertexes of a regular polygon, otherwise it would not be able to display 
the shape of a regular polygon, both in its ideal and distorted form.
So, the task for the Rev team to produce an enhancement that would make 
it possible to reduce the rect of a polygon to its visual rect would be 
simply to make the values of the vertexes available and retrievable, and 
then let the user choose to set the style of the polygon to "polygon" 
based on the given points/vertexes.

Best regards,

Wilhelm
<http://www.sanke.org/metaMedia>



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Sun Aug 16 17:05:32 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:05:32 -0700
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908161405l14921551ud3f68c9f34687413@mail.gmail.com>

find all double CRs? if CR is your line delimiter. An empty line would
always have a second line delimiter like itself immediately afterward.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/16 Brian Yennie <briany at qldlearning.com>

> I would think that technically, it should work with wholeMatches = true.
> Otherwise, with wholeMatches = false, it should return nothing.
>
> I based this on consistency with the "normal" string logic that:
>
> empty = empty (TRUE)
> empty contains empty (FALSE)
>
> With that said, it sounds like lineOffset isn't equipped to deal with this.
> Maybe you could use something like:
>
> offset( (the lineDelimiter)&(thelineDelimiter) ) ?
>
>
>  Hi
>>
>> I was trying to find an empty line in some text, and thought that
>> lineoffset would be perfect for that. however, it seems to not work with the
>> search-string being "".
>>
>> I also thought this used to work (though i'm not totally sure, and haven't
>> checked).
>>
>> So.. bug or not?
>>
>> thanks
>> bj?rnke
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> official ChatRev page:
>> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
>>
>> Chat with other RunRev developers:
>> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev
>>
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From SparkOutYNY at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 17:05:42 2009
From: SparkOutYNY at gmail.com (SparkOut)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:05:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: irev redirect URL?
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70908160721x5a81f2ddmcc285485c8825df4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b70908160721x5a81f2ddmcc285485c8825df4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <24997871.post@talk.nabble.com>




Nicolas Cueto-4 wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I've made a series of irev and php pages/urls to be accessed by
> Japanese cell-phones.
> 
> My question is:
> 
> Within an irev script (not the HTML code), is there a rev way to
> redirect to a new url?
> 
> I tried "launch url". No go. And tried the meta-tag "REFRESH" outside
> the <?rev ?> script, which works on PCs but not with Japanese
> cell-phones.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 
In the on-Rev forum there's a thread which refers to this issue
http://forums.on-rev.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=96 
So far I've found that as long as you make sure this is the first output (no
other headers or content for that page will work) then this will redirect
(based on the on-Rev platform, since it's hosted on Apache servers) with an
automatic "status: 302 Found" response:

put header "Location:" && theLocation & lf
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/irev-redirect-URL--tp24994004p24997871.html
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From SparkOutYNY at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 17:10:11 2009
From: SparkOutYNY at gmail.com (SparkOut)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:10:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: irev redirect URL?
In-Reply-To: <24997871.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <1e91b2b70908160721x5a81f2ddmcc285485c8825df4@mail.gmail.com>
	<24997871.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <24997920.post@talk.nabble.com>




SparkOut wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Nicolas Cueto-4 wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I've made a series of irev and php pages/urls to be accessed by
>> Japanese cell-phones.
>> 
>> My question is:
>> 
>> Within an irev script (not the HTML code), is there a rev way to
>> redirect to a new url?
>> 
>> I tried "launch url". No go. And tried the meta-tag "REFRESH" outside
>> the <?rev ?> script, which works on PCs but not with Japanese
>> cell-phones.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> --
>> Nicolas Cueto
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
>> 
> In the on-Rev forum there's a thread which refers to this issue
> http://forums.on-rev.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=96 
> So far I've found that as long as you make sure this is the first output
> (no other headers or content for that page will work) then this will
> redirect (based on the on-Rev platform, since it's hosted on Apache
> servers) with an automatic "status: 302 Found" response:
> 
> put header "Location:" && theLocation & lf
> 
Note also that the rest of the irev page will still be parsed before the
redirect, so you may want to:

put header "Location:" && theLocation & lf
exit to top

to stop the rest of the page being parsed (irrelevantly) and just hop
straight to the destination page.
-- 
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From bvg at mac.com  Sun Aug 16 17:11:11 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:11:11 +0200
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <990852C0-DA96-48DA-9BE8-0C6DD648DF83@mac.com>

my main problem is that it's all based on lines. so finding the empty  
lines allows me to dismiss the line after it, then parse the line  
after that etc. (for example). Frankly there must be some way to find  
the number of the first occurrence of an empty line, and get a result  
in lines, not in chars, right? i really wish i could find it, there's  
just too many words in this language to find the one for my specific  
task ;-)

On 16 Aug 2009, at 18:51, Brian Yennie wrote:

> offset( (the lineDelimiter)&(thelineDelimiter) ) ?


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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 16 17:23:42 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:23:42 -0700
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70908161405l14921551ud3f68c9f34687413@mail.gmail.com>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
	<e5e009d70908161405l14921551ud3f68c9f34687413@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A12AA7AE-DF5D-41D1-9FA9-DD5091D736D7@yahoo.com>

On Aug 16, 2009, at 2:05 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

> find all double CRs? if CR is your line delimiter. An empty line would
> always have a second line delimiter like itself immediately afterward.
>

Just to mention in Rev you can

set the lineDelimiter to "/"

but the filter command only considers CR's as lines,
and ignores the lineDelimiter

The rule should be to test various functions before relying on them to  
do what you assume they will do.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



>
> 2009/8/16 Brian Yennie <briany at qldlearning.com>
>
>> I would think that technically, it should work with wholeMatches =  
>> true.
>> Otherwise, with wholeMatches = false, it should return nothing.
>>
>> I based this on consistency with the "normal" string logic that:
>>
>> empty = empty (TRUE)
>> empty contains empty (FALSE)
>>
>> With that said, it sounds like lineOffset isn't equipped to deal  
>> with this.
>> Maybe you could use something like:
>>
>> offset( (the lineDelimiter)&(thelineDelimiter) ) ?
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>>
>>> I was trying to find an empty line in some text, and thought that
>>> lineoffset would be perfect for that. however, it seems to not  
>>> work with the
>>> search-string being "".
>>>
>>> I also thought this used to work (though i'm not totally sure, and  
>>> haven't
>>> checked).
>>>
>>> So.. bug or not?
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> bj?rnke
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> official ChatRev page:
>>> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
>>>
>>> Chat with other RunRev developers:
>>> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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From bvg at mac.com  Sun Aug 16 17:29:53 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:29:53 +0200
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <A12AA7AE-DF5D-41D1-9FA9-DD5091D736D7@yahoo.com>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
	<e5e009d70908161405l14921551ud3f68c9f34687413@mail.gmail.com>
	<A12AA7AE-DF5D-41D1-9FA9-DD5091D736D7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0502AB4A-689A-4A6A-8453-120C97018F1C@mac.com>


On 16 Aug 2009, at 23:23, Jim Ault wrote:

> The rule should be to test various functions before relying on them  
> to do what you assume they will do.

sure, tell me what to test :P

currently i have (courtesy of mark waddingham):

put the number of lines in char 1 to offset(return & return,  
theContent) of theContent into theDelimiterNumber


not exactly what i'd call english-like syntax ;)


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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Aug 16 17:31:33 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:31:33 -0700
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <A12AA7AE-DF5D-41D1-9FA9-DD5091D736D7@yahoo.com>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
	<e5e009d70908161405l14921551ud3f68c9f34687413@mail.gmail.com>
	<A12AA7AE-DF5D-41D1-9FA9-DD5091D736D7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <135176940406.20090816143133@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:23:42 PM, you wrote:

> The rule should be to test various functions before relying on them to
> do what you assume they will do.

Thanks. I've been looking for an excuse to post this link

http://www.molecularbear.com/blog/?p=7

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bvg at mac.com  Sun Aug 16 17:33:44 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:33:44 +0200
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <0502AB4A-689A-4A6A-8453-120C97018F1C@mac.com>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
	<e5e009d70908161405l14921551ud3f68c9f34687413@mail.gmail.com>
	<A12AA7AE-DF5D-41D1-9FA9-DD5091D736D7@yahoo.com>
	<0502AB4A-689A-4A6A-8453-120C97018F1C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AB2B6268-B3A3-4385-A7BA-7E85AB390CA8@mac.com>

oops mark-mismatch alert!

> currently i have (courtesy of mark SCHONEWILLE):


On 16 Aug 2009, at 23:29, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

>
> On 16 Aug 2009, at 23:23, Jim Ault wrote:
>
>> The rule should be to test various functions before relying on them  
>> to do what you assume they will do.
>
> sure, tell me what to test :P
>
> currently i have (courtesy of mark SCHONEWILLE):
>
> put the number of lines in char 1 to offset(return & return,  
> theContent) of theContent into theDelimiterNumber
>
>
> not exactly what i'd call english-like syntax ;)
>
>
> -- 
>
> official ChatRev page:
> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 17:34:00 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:34:00 +1000
Subject: irev redirect URL?
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70908160721x5a81f2ddmcc285485c8825df4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b70908160721x5a81f2ddmcc285485c8825df4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68BFE335-F72E-4F61-8757-BC6D2F14336F@gmail.com>

Have a look at <http://troz.net/onrev/samples/desktop.irev> and it's  
script. This redirects to a different page if a mobile device is  
detected.

Cheers,
Sarah

Sent from my iPhone

On 17/08/2009, at 12:21 AM, Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I've made a series of irev and php pages/urls to be accessed by
> Japanese cell-phones.
>
> My question is:
>
> Within an irev script (not the HTML code), is there a rev way to
> redirect to a new url?
>
> I tried "launch url". No go. And tried the meta-tag "REFRESH" outside
> the <?rev ?> script, which works on PCs but not with Japanese
> cell-phones.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Aug 16 17:33:36 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:33:36 -0700
Subject: Importing gMail
In-Reply-To: <E5F82C17-8DF7-49A3-AEBF-F0AACBE917B9@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
References: <E5F82C17-8DF7-49A3-AEBF-F0AACBE917B9@SBCGLOBAL.NET>
Message-ID: <31177063531.20090816143336@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

...and speaking of squaring the circle, I just came across Bradford
Hansen-Smith's work:

http://www.wholemovement.com/

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Sun Aug 16 17:42:42 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:42:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <990852C0-DA96-48DA-9BE8-0C6DD648DF83@mac.com>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
	<990852C0-DA96-48DA-9BE8-0C6DD648DF83@mac.com>
Message-ID: <24998239.post@talk.nabble.com>


Bj?rnke,

would 

----------
on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
    put field 1 into temp
    repeat while theLine > 0
        put lineoffset(cr&cr,temp) into theLine
        if theLine > 0 then delete line theLine + 1 of temp
    end repeat
    put temp into field 1
end mouseUp
---------------

not do it? it works for me, if I understand you correctly.
regards
Bernd


Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> 
> my main problem is that it's all based on lines. so finding the empty  
> lines allows me to dismiss the line after it, then parse the line  
> after that etc. (for example). Frankly there must be some way to find  
> the number of the first occurrence of an empty line, and get a result  
> in lines, not in chars, right? i really wish i could find it, there's  
> just too many words in this language to find the one for my specific  
> task ;-)
> 
> On 16 Aug 2009, at 18:51, Brian Yennie wrote:
> 
>> offset( (the lineDelimiter)&(thelineDelimiter) ) ?
> 
> 

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Aug 16 17:45:27 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:45:27 -0700
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <AB2B6268-B3A3-4385-A7BA-7E85AB390CA8@mac.com>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
	<e5e009d70908161405l14921551ud3f68c9f34687413@mail.gmail.com>
	<A12AA7AE-DF5D-41D1-9FA9-DD5091D736D7@yahoo.com>
	<0502AB4A-689A-4A6A-8453-120C97018F1C@mac.com>
	<AB2B6268-B3A3-4385-A7BA-7E85AB390CA8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <63177774593.20090816144527@ahsoftware.net>

Bj?rnke-

Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:33:44 PM, you wrote:

> oops mark-mismatch alert!

To add another Mark into the mix... <g>

If you're just trying to eliminate blank lines and parse the rest,
can't you just "filter theContent without empty" and then proceed?
Although that seems too straightforward, so you're probably trying to
do something more complex...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bvg at mac.com  Sun Aug 16 17:52:01 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:52:01 +0200
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <63177774593.20090816144527@ahsoftware.net>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
	<e5e009d70908161405l14921551ud3f68c9f34687413@mail.gmail.com>
	<A12AA7AE-DF5D-41D1-9FA9-DD5091D736D7@yahoo.com>
	<0502AB4A-689A-4A6A-8453-120C97018F1C@mac.com>
	<AB2B6268-B3A3-4385-A7BA-7E85AB390CA8@mac.com>
	<63177774593.20090816144527@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <AFDC6487-9ECC-4EF3-9B07-883DAD32DB85@mac.com>

yes it's more complex. among other things i want to divide the data at  
the empty line into two vars, delete the next line (if another  
condition is met), and put part of the lines (not all) of the parts  
before the empty line into an array (tho i can use lineoffset for  
those!). mark's solution can do what i want, but it's certainly not  
very straightforward.

put the number of lines in char 1 to offset(return & return,  
theContent) of theContent into theDelimiterNumber


On 16 Aug 2009, at 23:45, Mark Wieder wrote:

>> oops mark-mismatch alert!
>
> To add another Mark into the mix... <g>
>
> If you're just trying to eliminate blank lines and parse the rest,
> can't you just "filter theContent without empty" and then proceed?
> Although that seems too straightforward, so you're probably trying to
> do something more complex...



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Aug 16 18:05:09 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:05:09 -0700
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <AFDC6487-9ECC-4EF3-9B07-883DAD32DB85@mac.com>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
	<e5e009d70908161405l14921551ud3f68c9f34687413@mail.gmail.com>
	<A12AA7AE-DF5D-41D1-9FA9-DD5091D736D7@yahoo.com>
	<0502AB4A-689A-4A6A-8453-120C97018F1C@mac.com>
	<AB2B6268-B3A3-4385-A7BA-7E85AB390CA8@mac.com>
	<63177774593.20090816144527@ahsoftware.net>
	<AFDC6487-9ECC-4EF3-9B07-883DAD32DB85@mac.com>
Message-ID: <81178956531.20090816150509@ahsoftware.net>

Bj?rnke-

Sunday, August 16, 2009, 2:52:01 PM, you wrote:

> yes it's more complex. among other things i want to divide the data at
> the empty line into two vars, delete the next line (if another  
> condition is met), and put part of the lines (not all) of the parts
> before the empty line into an array (tho i can use lineoffset for  
> those!). mark's solution can do what i want, but it's certainly not
> very straightforward.

Well, why didn't you say so? <g>

put 1 into x
repeat for each line tEmptyLine in theContent
  if the number of words in tEmptyLine is 0 then
    exit repeat
  end if
  add 1 to x
end repeat
put x

(use "the number of tokens" if you also want to ignore lines that are
just comments)

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From lists at futilism.com  Sun Aug 16 18:18:22 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:18:22 +0100
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <24998239.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
	<990852C0-DA96-48DA-9BE8-0C6DD648DF83@mac.com>
	<24998239.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <72E650CD-662A-40B2-8B7B-CC5D06789A60@futilism.com>

I also see that

lineoffset(cr & cr, tText) + 1

seems to work well.

Best,

Mark Smith

On 16 Aug 2009, at 22:42, BNig wrote:

>
> Bj?rnke,
>
> would
>
> ----------
> on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
>     put field 1 into temp
>     repeat while theLine > 0
>         put lineoffset(cr&cr,temp) into theLine
>         if theLine > 0 then delete line theLine + 1 of temp
>     end repeat
>     put temp into field 1
> end mouseUp
> ---------------
>
> not do it? it works for me, if I understand you correctly.
> regards
> Bernd
>
>
> Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
>>
>> my main problem is that it's all based on lines. so finding the empty
>> lines allows me to dismiss the line after it, then parse the line
>> after that etc. (for example). Frankly there must be some way to find
>> the number of the first occurrence of an empty line, and get a result
>> in lines, not in chars, right? i really wish i could find it, there's
>> just too many words in this language to find the one for my specific
>> task ;-)
>>
>> On 16 Aug 2009, at 18:51, Brian Yennie wrote:
>>
>>> offset( (the lineDelimiter)&(thelineDelimiter) ) ?
>>
>>
>
> --  
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/lineoffset-doesn 
> %27t-find-empty-lines-tp24995467p24998239.html
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Sun Aug 16 18:52:56 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 15:52:56 -0700
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <72E650CD-662A-40B2-8B7B-CC5D06789A60@futilism.com>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
	<990852C0-DA96-48DA-9BE8-0C6DD648DF83@mac.com>
	<24998239.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<72E650CD-662A-40B2-8B7B-CC5D06789A60@futilism.com>
Message-ID: <59C24620-ABD8-44E8-ACDE-2B53C1A65C73@qldlearning.com>

Keep in mind that all of these (cr&cr) methods will miss an empty line  
as the FIRST line. So you need to do something like:

function emptyOffset tText
	if (char 1 of tText is cr) then return 1
	else return lineOffset(cr&cr, tText)+1
end emptyOffset

> I also see that
>
> lineoffset(cr & cr, tText) + 1
>
> seems to work well.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark Smith
>
> On 16 Aug 2009, at 22:42, BNig wrote:
>
>>
>> Bj?rnke,
>>
>> would
>>
>> ----------
>> on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo
>>   put field 1 into temp
>>   repeat while theLine > 0
>>       put lineoffset(cr&cr,temp) into theLine
>>       if theLine > 0 then delete line theLine + 1 of temp
>>   end repeat
>>   put temp into field 1
>> end mouseUp
>> ---------------
>>
>> not do it? it works for me, if I understand you correctly.
>> regards
>> Bernd
>>
>>
>> Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
>>>
>>> my main problem is that it's all based on lines. so finding the  
>>> empty
>>> lines allows me to dismiss the line after it, then parse the line
>>> after that etc. (for example). Frankly there must be some way to  
>>> find
>>> the number of the first occurrence of an empty line, and get a  
>>> result
>>> in lines, not in chars, right? i really wish i could find it,  
>>> there's
>>> just too many words in this language to find the one for my specific
>>> task ;-)
>>>
>>> On 16 Aug 2009, at 18:51, Brian Yennie wrote:
>>>
>>>> offset( (the lineDelimiter)&(thelineDelimiter) ) ?
>>>


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 16 19:15:48 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:15:48 -0700
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <59C24620-ABD8-44E8-ACDE-2B53C1A65C73@qldlearning.com>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
	<990852C0-DA96-48DA-9BE8-0C6DD648DF83@mac.com>
	<24998239.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<72E650CD-662A-40B2-8B7B-CC5D06789A60@futilism.com>
	<59C24620-ABD8-44E8-ACDE-2B53C1A65C73@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <72B7025D-F849-4A25-910A-BB0B895A3559@yahoo.com>

On Aug 16, 2009, at 3:52 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:

> Keep in mind that all of these (cr&cr) methods will miss an empty  
> line as the FIRST line. So you need to do something like:
>
> function emptyOffset tText
> 	if (char 1 of tText is cr) then return 1
> 	else return lineOffset(cr&cr, tText)+1
end emptyOffset

OR you could do
put cr & cr into cr2
return lineoffset( cr2, (cr2 & tText & cr2)   )
Of course make the adjustment based on the correction for the number  
of lines in tText

You will know that line 1 and line -1 will always be empty.
Be careful of using
word 1 to wod -1 of tText since this trims chars that are consider  
word delimiters
item 1 to -1 of tText that considers all chars part of the item  
string, including spaces

Ahh, the joys of chunking expressions.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Aug 16 19:44:27 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:44:27 -0700
Subject: lineoffset doesn't find empty lines
In-Reply-To: <81178956531.20090816150509@ahsoftware.net>
References: <735C047A-BB70-42F1-B00F-D02BBEFE30A5@mac.com>
	<F5FF34BF-DC7B-4EFC-9DCB-468547B4D589@qldlearning.com>
	<e5e009d70908161405l14921551ud3f68c9f34687413@mail.gmail.com>
	<A12AA7AE-DF5D-41D1-9FA9-DD5091D736D7@yahoo.com>
	<0502AB4A-689A-4A6A-8453-120C97018F1C@mac.com>
	<AB2B6268-B3A3-4385-A7BA-7E85AB390CA8@mac.com>
	<63177774593.20090816144527@ahsoftware.net>
	<AFDC6487-9ECC-4EF3-9B07-883DAD32DB85@mac.com>
	<81178956531.20090816150509@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <167184913953.20090816164427@ahsoftware.net>

Bj?rnke-

Sunday, August 16, 2009, 3:05:09 PM, you wrote:

>> yes it's more complex. among other things i want to divide the data at
>> the empty line into two vars, delete the next line (if another  
>> condition is met), and put part of the lines (not all) of the parts
>> before the empty line into an array (tho i can use lineoffset for  
>> those!). mark's solution can do what i want, but it's certainly not
>> very straightforward.

Or even

put theContent into tAfterVar
put 1 into x
repeat while the number of words in line 1 of tAfterVar is not 0
  put line 1 of tAfterVar into tBeforeArray[x]
  delete line 1 of tAfterVar
  add 1 to x
end repeat

Now you've got:
  the lines before the blank line in the array tBeforeArray, indexed
  by line number

  the lines after (and including) the blank line in tAfterArray

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Sun Aug 16 23:56:57 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 22:56:57 -0500
Subject: PayPal Integration with On-Rev
Message-ID: <4A88D509.3070007@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Did anyone attempt the "PayPal Integration with On-Rev" tutorial by Mark
Wieder?  Was anyone able to get it to work with PayPal Sandbox?

I attempted to do the same thing with PHP, using Mark's wonderful
article as a guide.  I setup a Sandbox account and a PHP script that
would spit out all of the posted variables for testing, and after
running a test order, nothing seems to be posted to the script.  Here's
my PHP:

<?
$fName = $_POST["first_name"];
$lName = $_POST["last_name"];
$pEmail = $_POST["payer_email"];

echo "First: $fName <br> Last: $lName <br> Email: $pEmail";
?>

This code results in a Web page that looks like this:


First:
Last:
Email:


Any ideas, or am I completely off track?


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Aug 17 02:06:58 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 23:06:58 -0700
Subject: PayPal Integration with On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A88D509.3070007@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A88D509.3070007@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <19722639218.20090816230658@ahsoftware.net>

Derek-

Sunday, August 16, 2009, 8:56:57 PM, you wrote:

> Any ideas, or am I completely off track?

I was getting empty post data if I canceled a transaction (PayPal
redirects you to the proper web page but there's no post or get
information). But on completing a transaction properly I do get the
$_POST array filled in. And that's why I had to set up a sandbox
account in the first place - I had no idea whether this was going to
work without trying an actual transaction.

Here's what I started with on on-rev to make sure that *something* was
coming back to me...

-----------------------------------------------------
-- debugging: display what we got back from PayPal
-----------------------------------------------------
  put "POST:" && the keys of $_POST & "<br/>"
  put "GET:" && the keys of $_GET & "<br/>"
  put "SERVER:" && the keys of $_SERVER & "<br/>"

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From dfepstein at comcast.net  Mon Aug 17 02:10:08 2009
From: dfepstein at comcast.net (dfepstein at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:10:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Challenge: How can we set the rect of a polygon to its visual
 rect? (and a tentative solution)
In-Reply-To: <20090816170004.7048748A924@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <285573825.436951250489408497.JavaMail.root@sz0051a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

It appears that Rev defines the rect of a regular polygon to be the rectangle that encloses all possible rotations of that polygon.  To see this, create a regular polygon as graphic 1, create a rectangle as graphic 2, in the message box "set the rect of grc 1 to the rect of grc 2," and then set the angle of grc 1 to various numbers.

This seems like a useful enough feature that I wouldn't call it a bug.

David Epstein

From SparkOutYNY at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 04:40:28 2009
From: SparkOutYNY at gmail.com (SparkOut)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 01:40:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PayPal Integration with On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A88D509.3070007@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A88D509.3070007@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <25003115.post@talk.nabble.com>


You wouldn't mind pointing to the tutorial itself? I'd be interested to look,
and I can't seem to track it down.
Thanks


Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
> 
> Did anyone attempt the "PayPal Integration with On-Rev" tutorial by Mark
> Wieder?  Was anyone able to get it to work with PayPal Sandbox?
> 
> I attempted to do the same thing with PHP, using Mark's wonderful
> article as a guide.  I setup a Sandbox account and a PHP script that
> would spit out all of the posted variables for testing, and after
> running a test order, nothing seems to be posted to the script.  Here's
> my PHP:
> 
> <?
> $fName = $_POST["first_name"];
> $lName = $_POST["last_name"];
> $pEmail = $_POST["payer_email"];
> 
> echo "First: $fName <br> Last: $lName <br> Email: $pEmail";
> ?>
> 
> This code results in a Web page that looks like this:
> 
> 
> First:
> Last:
> Email:
> 
> 
> Any ideas, or am I completely off track?
> 
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> 
> ___________________________________________________________________
> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
> 
> 
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Mon Aug 17 05:39:45 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:39:45 +0200
Subject: Challenge: How can we set the rect of a polygon to its visual
 rect?
Message-ID: <4A892561.2060608@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Mon Aug, 2009, dfepstein at comcast.net dfepstein at comcast.net wrote:


> It appears that Rev defines the rect of a regular polygon to be the 
> rectangle that encloses all possible rotations of that polygon.
>
> This seems like a useful enough feature that I wouldn't call it a bug.
>
> David Epstein

Correct observation. And what is more, this "maximal rotation rect" 
remains the same even when you change the polysides property of a 
regular polygon, switching from a hexagon to a triangle or to any other 
polygon shape.

For what purposes may such a feature be "useful"? I think it was not 
intended as a useful feature, it just "happened" during the development 
of the algorithms for regular polygons.

And again, I believe, it would not cause too much trouble for the 
developers of Revolution to define the rect of a regular polygon as a 
"minimal visual rect" that will be adapted to its minimal size each time 
the angle of a given regular polygon is being changed.

Another additional or parallel solution would be, which I mentioned in 
my last post, to make the values of the vertexes of a regular polygon 
available and retrievable, and then let the user choose to set the style 
of the polygon to "polygon" based on the given points/vertexes.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Aug 17 07:37:21 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:37:21 +0200
Subject: ANN: Economy-x-Talk releases the word game TwistAWord
Message-ID: <338A51AA-2B50-402F-81CF-A3AFBCC890B9@economy-x-talk.com>

Hello,

Economy-x-Talk has released a brand new game called TwistAWord. Goal  
of the game is to create sentences from jumbled words, which form a  
saying or expression. While this game is just fun to play, it also  
helps you improve your language skills in eight different languages.

TwistAWord is available for Windows and Mac OS X and can be downloaded  
at <http://www.twistaword.net>. Unregistered copies quit every 10  
minutes, but you can always start the game again. A registration code  
can be purchased for ? 14.95.

Even though we are releasing TwistAWord today, we still appreciate  
your bug reports. The first 5 useful bug reports are rewarded with a  
free license. Visit <http://www.twistaword.net/test.php> for more info.

TwistAWord was made with Runtime Revolution.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com



From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Aug 17 08:40:56 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:40:56 -0500
Subject: PayPal Integration with On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <25003115.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4A88D509.3070007@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<25003115.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A894FD8.8000000@dreamscapesoftware.com>

The article is available here:
http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/august/issue76/newsletter2.php?=NW0076S36140


I have 2 concerns though about using PayPal's Buy Now buttons...


1. The initial ordering interface can be daunting for first time users.
 The option to purchase *without* setting up a PalPal account is a
little buried, and I don't like the idea of my customers thinking they
need to setup a PayPal account just to buy my program.

I sat my Mom and my Dad in front of the order screen and said "try to
order my program with this credit card number."  My Mom, bless her
heart, wouldn't stop asking me where to click and what to type, and my
Dad got it, but said it was a bit complicated and that he liked my old
ordering page better.


2. The process is more or less dependent on whether or not the user
clicks the "Return to So-And-So's Web Site" button on the order
successful page.  If they don't click it then the user will wait, often
for days, wondering where their license number is.  I'm not sure how
often this happens, but I'm sure it does.


In the end I think I'm going to forgo this idea and stick with what I
have.  It may take a little longer to process orders, but it still
passed the "Mom Test".  Thanks!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


SparkOut wrote:
> You wouldn't mind pointing to the tutorial itself? I'd be interested to look,
> and I can't seem to track it down.
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
>> Did anyone attempt the "PayPal Integration with On-Rev" tutorial by Mark
>> Wieder?  Was anyone able to get it to work with PayPal Sandbox?
>>
>> I attempted to do the same thing with PHP, using Mark's wonderful
>> article as a guide.  I setup a Sandbox account and a PHP script that
>> would spit out all of the posted variables for testing, and after
>> running a test order, nothing seems to be posted to the script.  Here's
>> my PHP:
>>
>> <?
>> $fName = $_POST["first_name"];
>> $lName = $_POST["last_name"];
>> $pEmail = $_POST["payer_email"];
>>
>> echo "First: $fName <br> Last: $lName <br> Email: $pEmail";
>> ?>
>>
>> This code results in a Web page that looks like this:
>>
>>
>> First:
>> Last:
>> Email:
>>
>>
>> Any ideas, or am I completely off track?
>>
>>
>> Derek Bump
>> Dreamscape Software
>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________________
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>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/
>>
>>
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From SparkOutYNY at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 08:57:08 2009
From: SparkOutYNY at gmail.com (SparkOut)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:57:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: PayPal Integration with On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A894FD8.8000000@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A88D509.3070007@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<25003115.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A894FD8.8000000@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <25006287.post@talk.nabble.com>


Thanks for that. For some reason I hadn't got a notice email about issue #76.

I know what you mean about processing the thing through Paypal, but it can
definitely be another string to the bow.
Thanks.


Derek Bump - Dreamscape Software wrote:
> 
> The article is available here:
> http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/august/issue76/newsletter2.php?=NW0076S36140
> 
> 
> I have 2 concerns though about using PayPal's Buy Now buttons...
> 
> <etc>
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com
> 

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From niconiko at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 08:59:10 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:59:10 +0900
Subject: PayPal Integration with On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A894FD8.8000000@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A88D509.3070007@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<25003115.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A894FD8.8000000@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70908170559s5212a35fu6c82a658e7234b23@mail.gmail.com>

> In the end I think I'm going to forgo this idea and stick with what I
> have. ?It may take a little longer to process orders, but it still
> passed the "Mom Test". ?Thanks!

Hello Derek,

You are right about the "Mom Test", and that PayPal is not as
straightforward as they'd like us to think. So I had a look at your
webstore to see how you handle payments, and was curious about how you
enable Visa card payments.

Thank you.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 17 09:04:28 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:04:28 -0700
Subject: Is there a way to edit scripts in Rev 3.5 besides
Message-ID: <5CD8180F-5CEE-4F35-AF2A-1D58F565E260@yahoo.com>


The combined window that has the script editor window sharing the  
space with the code and the variables?
This is very inconvenient.
I cannot switch to older versions of Rev since I am using  
multidimensional arrays.

Drilling down into arrays is painful.
The worst part is to have massive screen real estate and not be able  
to use it, like the old days.
Fly-over reveal is ok, but very hard on the wrist and index finger  
after a few hours.


Is there a way to get the variable watcher to be in a separate window?
I could not find a checkbox or preference.

Is there a way to display the values in a list like the older style?

I know about tRex (I need debugging, which is a feature coming soon)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Aug 17 09:46:39 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:46:39 -0400
Subject: datagrid problem resolved
In-Reply-To: <B007007A-82CC-49E9-A569-2E251D025CBC@skynet.be>
References: <B007007A-82CC-49E9-A569-2E251D025CBC@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <33C3871C-9DFF-4919-97E9-28805430C561@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 16, 2009, at 5:09 AM, Yves COPPE wrote:

> if you have a fld in a datagrid ( Form style) and this fld (let us  
> name him : "body") contains from row to row a variable text,
> you will use a layout script in the following form :
>   put item 2 of theRect + the formattedHeight of field "Body" of me  
> into item 4 of theRect
>
> It gives problems. if you want to avoid problems, you have to put a  
> height to your fld "body" which is high enough so that the  
> "formattedheight" can return a good value
>
>   put item 2 of theRect + 50 into item 4 of theRect  -- "50" is  
> arbitrary
>   -- then set the rect
>   set the rect of fld "Body" of me to theRect
>   -- now get the correct value of the Formattedheight
>  put item 2 of theRect + the formattedHeight of field "Body" of me  
> into item 4 of theRect
>  set the rect of fld "Body" of me to theRect

To sum up, Yves had a field in his data grid template whose height was  
adjusted to fit the text contents. His original code was setting the  
rect of the field in one pass. The problem with setting the rect in  
one pass when the field is being resized to fit the text height is  
that the width of the field before setting the rect might not be the  
width of the field after setting the rect. This means the  
formattedHeight value might not be incorrect.

The proper way to have a field that adjusts height according to  
content is:

on LayoutControl pControlRect
     ## ...

     ## First adjust width
     put the rect of field "MyAdjustableHeightField" of me into theRect
     put item 3 of pControlRect into item 3 of theRect ## adjust field  
to new width
     set the rect of field "MyAdjustableHeightField" of me to theRect

     ## Now adjust height
     put item 2 of theRect + the formattedHeight of field  
"MyAdjustableHeightField" of me \
         into item 4 of theRect
     set the rect of field "MyAdjustableHeightField" of me to theRect

     ## ...
end LayoutControl

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 17 09:55:36 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 06:55:36 -0700
Subject: PayPal Integration with On-Rev
Message-ID: <4A896158.8020908@fourthworld.com>

Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> You are right about the "Mom Test", and that PayPal is not as
> straightforward as they'd like us to think. So I had a look at your
> webstore to see how you handle payments, and was curious about how you
> enable Visa card payments.

Agreed: for non-PayPal transactions, PayPal can be a bit daunting.  And 
since most hosting companies include a free shopping cart (ZenCart and 
Miva Merchant are both useful and very extensible) it's not too hard to 
set up a good payment system these days.

But for folks who use PayPal, it's really hard to beat the convenience 
and very worthwhile offering it as an option.

My customers beat me up for many months asking for a PayPal option, and 
the whole time I was thinking, "Why does this matter when we already 
accept most major credit cards easily enough?"

Then I added a PayPal option, and I learned:

Because PayPal accounts are separate from one's banking and credit card 
accounts, it doesn't feel like spending real money.  It feels like play 
money.  And the PayPal UI for account holders is dirt-simple and ultra 
convenient.

In short, PayPal makes it very easy and encouraging for other PayPal 
customers to give you money.  And there are a lot of them.

Once I added a PayPal option my sales when up about 8%.

And as a customer, I find myself more inclined to make impulse purchases 
when I find a PayPal payment option.  With anything else, I need to 
evaluate whether it's worth the time to get out of my chair to dig up a 
credit card and do all that typing.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Aug 17 10:03:09 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:03:09 -0500
Subject: PayPal Integration with On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70908170559s5212a35fu6c82a658e7234b23@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A88D509.3070007@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<25003115.post@talk.nabble.com>	<4A894FD8.8000000@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<1e91b2b70908170559s5212a35fu6c82a658e7234b23@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A89631D.4010104@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Nicolas Cueto wrote:
> You are right about the "Mom Test", and that PayPal is not as
> straightforward as they'd like us to think. So I had a look at your
> webstore to see how you handle payments, and was curious about how you
> enable Visa card payments.

I've got a merchant account that allows me to process Visa, MasterCard
and Discover Card payments.  It all has to be done manually, but paying
an extra $500 for an online gateway is a little to much to swallow right
now.

I'd love to find another merchant account that has a gateway, but I
can't seem to find anyone with decent pricing.  It's either a low fee
and big percentages, or low percentages and a big fee.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Aug 17 10:13:25 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:13:25 -0500
Subject: PayPal Integration with On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A896158.8020908@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A896158.8020908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A896585.2000701@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Once I added a PayPal option my sales when up about 8%.

Sounds like a market that needs to be tapped.  I think I will go ahead
an add a "Buy with PayPal" option on my online store.  If it results in
a few more sales then it's worth the time to setup.

If I can't get the POST data from PayPal to work then I'll just have to
process PayPal orders manually, which shouldn't be a problem considering
I'm processing all of my other orders manually.

Thanks for the info!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Mon Aug 17 10:51:49 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:51:49 +0200
Subject: datagrid problem resolved
In-Reply-To: <33C3871C-9DFF-4919-97E9-28805430C561@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <B007007A-82CC-49E9-A569-2E251D025CBC@skynet.be>
	<33C3871C-9DFF-4919-97E9-28805430C561@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <9ABB5E9F-F801-4BE3-B4A1-48002D9F6501@skynet.be>


Le 17 ao?t 09 ? 15:46, Trevor DeVore a ?crit :

>
> To sum up, Yves had a field in his data grid template whose height  
> was adjusted to fit the text contents. His original code was setting  
> the rect of the field in one pass. The problem with setting the rect  
> in one pass when the field is being resized to fit the text height  
> is that the width of the field before setting the rect might not be  
> the width of the field after setting the rect. This means the  
> formattedHeight value might not be incorrect.
>
> The proper way to have a field that adjusts height according to  
> content is:
>
> on LayoutControl pControlRect
>    ## ...
>
>    ## First adjust width
>    put the rect of field "MyAdjustableHeightField" of me into theRect
>    put item 3 of pControlRect into item 3 of theRect ## adjust field  
> to new width
>    set the rect of field "MyAdjustableHeightField" of me to theRect
>
>    ## Now adjust height
>    put item 2 of theRect + the formattedHeight of field  
> "MyAdjustableHeightField" of me \
>        into item 4 of theRect
>    set the rect of field "MyAdjustableHeightField" of me to theRect
>
>    ## ...
> end LayoutControl
>


Hi Trevor,

thanks for helping me in english language

meanwhile, I did this week end another grid and had the same problem  
solved on the same way

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Aug 17 11:15:12 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:15:12 -0400
Subject: [ANN] SQL Yoga: A Flexible Database Library for Revolution
Message-ID: <49D3EAA5-FBA5-4787-8CDD-119EF1CC86ED@mangomultimedia.com>

In September Blue Mango Learning Systems will be releasing a database  
library that will change how you work with databases in Revolution.  
Join us Wednesday for a webinar where we will introduce SQL Yoga and  
announce the public beta leading up to release.

Find out more on our Releasable Revolution blog:

<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/2009/08/sql-yoga-a-flexible-database-library-for-revolution/ 
 >

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems


From rman at free.fr  Mon Aug 17 11:46:52 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Maniquant)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:46:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: datagrid problem resolved
In-Reply-To: <B007007A-82CC-49E9-A569-2E251D025CBC@skynet.be>
References: <B007007A-82CC-49E9-A569-2E251D025CBC@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <25009239.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi! I had very positive exchange with Trevor too. I had some empty spaces
while xcrolling fast a datagrid form list. he pointed out that the layout
procedure I used could be source of these artefacts. it was. So let me share
the lesson I derived from that : 

Lesson 1 was : do not try and do without the GridFieldEditor (I tried to do
without and use the list fields : but this implies to get the field ID's
through the line groups... and these are not to be relied upon. Their
numbering is logical.. so far as they fit in the viewer space. Than they are
redcreated, with new numbering starting at 1... so not reliable. SO this may
seem to work for a few lines, and then go weird!).

Lesson 2 could be : layout elements of a datagrid form in a "once and for
all" layout procedure. 

To make sure layout happens smoothly :
1) set position of elements using "set rect property". Avoid setting of
height and width. Eventually set topRight or topLeft properties of fixed
width objects which heights will be trimmed at the last stage.

3) in case of elements of variable height :
-- a) position the biggest element (that will most affect the pControlRect)
as soon as possible in the layout script, once and for all.
-- b) to do so, workout the dimensions of the biggest variable element and
then set its "rect" property, once and for all.
-- c) then, set the new value of pControlRect (item 4), once and for all.
-- d) then, adapt other elements that need to be trimmed afterwards,
provided they do not affect pControlRect.
In that latter case, although these elements may have been partially laid
down with topRight or topLeft before, work out the new dimensions and set
the rect of these, once and for all.

The good pratcice word to remember is "once and for all" = set objects once
for all, never gradually.
In gradually I mean never by step, e.i. giving a first start size, than
moving things, than adding a height.. 

Following this practice, [put item 2 of theRect + the formattedHeight of
field "Body" of me   
into item 4 of theRect ] does work fine for me in my layout scripts. Food
for thoughts.

Amicalement, (from Paris)
Robert


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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Mon Aug 17 11:53:05 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:53:05 -0400
Subject: Why is Put not Putting?
Message-ID: <E99E8992-C52A-477D-BB30-BE41760F1DFF@videotron.ca>

	Hello everyone,

	I use the simple handler below to process large amounts of text.   
Because it can take anywhere from a couple of seconds to ten minutes  
to run, I like to know that something is happening, so I put the very  
first statement in the handler, "Preparing for search..." which is  
supposed to appear in field "Info 1" to let me know that the thing has  
started.  The trouble is, that little progress message never appears,  
but the last statement in the handler, "Processing time and...,"  
does.  This suggests to me that Rev reads ahead through the handler,  
and if it is overwhelmed by a task, such as getting a big data field,  
then it cannot update the screen according to statements that came  
before.  (There are no lock screen statements in the handler.)  How  
can I fix this, so that the statements are executed in the way they  
are meant to be?

	Regards,

		Gregory


on mouseUp

    put "Preparing for search..." into fld "Info 1" -- This never  
appears in the field!

    set the itemDelimiter to tab

    get fld "Data" of card "Data" -- Lots of data

       repeat for each line thisLine in it
  	  -- Process the text
       end repeat

   put "Processing time and [other stats]" into fld "Info 1"

end mouseUp


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Aug 17 11:56:45 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:56:45 +0100
Subject: Why is Put not Putting?
In-Reply-To: <E99E8992-C52A-477D-BB30-BE41760F1DFF@videotron.ca>
References: <E99E8992-C52A-477D-BB30-BE41760F1DFF@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <6D8B9F11-C84F-421C-B8EF-5BCA89796A03@azurevision.co.uk>


On 17 Aug 2009, at 16:53, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> I use the simple handler below to process large amounts of text.   
> Because it can take anywhere from a couple of seconds to ten minutes  
> to run, I like to know that something is happening, so I put the  
> very first statement in the handler, "Preparing for search..." which  
> is supposed to appear in field "Info 1" to let me know that the  
> thing has started.  The trouble is, that little progress message  
> never appears,

Try adding a 'wait 10 milliseconds with messages' line after setting  
the text of the field - this should force Rev to update the screen  
part way through the handler.

Ian


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Aug 17 12:12:49 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:12:49 -0700
Subject: Is there a way to edit scripts in Rev 3.5 besides
In-Reply-To: <5CD8180F-5CEE-4F35-AF2A-1D58F565E260@yahoo.com>
References: <5CD8180F-5CEE-4F35-AF2A-1D58F565E260@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <11458989750.20090817091249@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

Monday, August 17, 2009, 6:04:28 AM, you wrote:

> I know about tRex (I need debugging, which is a feature coming soon)

That's why I use glx2 instead of tRex. I absolutely need that
debugger.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Aug 17 12:22:25 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:22:25 -0700
Subject: PayPal Integration with On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A894FD8.8000000@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A88D509.3070007@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<25003115.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A894FD8.8000000@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <18259565968.20090817092225@ahsoftware.net>

Derek-

Monday, August 17, 2009, 5:40:56 AM, you wrote:

I think these are both valid concerns.

> 1. The initial ordering interface can be daunting for first time users.
>  The option to purchase *without* setting up a PalPal account is a
> little buried, and I don't like the idea of my customers thinking they
> need to setup a PayPal account just to buy my program.

For me this is outweighed by *not* having to set up anything special
(and not having to pay exorbitant processing fees) to handle credit
cards, just turning that job over to PayPal. But yes, PayPal would, I
think, rather have you pay using your PayPal account than using a
card, so that "pay with PayPal" option is much more prominent on the
payment page.

> 2. The process is more or less dependent on whether or not the user
> clicks the "Return to So-And-So's Web Site" button on the order
> successful page.  If they don't click it then the user will wait, often
> for days, wondering where their license number is.  I'm not sure how
> often this happens, but I'm sure it does.

Yep. I don't know if it happens or how often, but it could be a
problem. An answer to this might be to avoid the option where PayPal
hosts the button and go with the one where you host it yourself. I
haven't explored that option, but that might well give you more
control over the process.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 17 12:50:10 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:50:10 -0700
Subject: Importing gMail
In-Reply-To: <20090817130433.5378D48AE80@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090817130433.5378D48AE80@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AE6171C8-32EE-4F02-86D6-75D3A9B08F53@sbcglobal.net>


>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 14:33:36 -0700
> From: Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> Subject: Re: Importing gMail
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <31177063531.20090816143336 at ahsoftware.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Jim-
>
> ...and speaking of squaring the circle, I just came across Bradford
> Hansen-Smith's work:
>
> http://www.wholemovement.com/
>
> --  
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net

Mark,

Amazing work. I used to be able to fold a box. You fold and fold and  
eventually blow into a little crease and voila: a Box. Doing these  
folds is hypnotic work.

Perhaps a little hyperbole? (No pun intended.) Hanse-Smith wrote:

"Everything that happens in this first is principle to all subsequent  
folding of the circle and is basic to the development of mathematics."

Even more hyperbolic for an upcoming program on PBS this week:

"NOVA tells the dramatic story of a group of pioneering mathematicians  
who developed fractals from a curiosity that few took seriously to an  
approach that is touching nearly every branch of understanding."

Jim Hurley



From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Mon Aug 17 13:02:12 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:02:12 -0400
Subject: Putting Stuff Before the Message Box
Message-ID: <636F48E3-B55E-4578-94AD-9175149E02A7@videotron.ca>

Hello again,

I apologize in advance.  Maybe it's the meds.  I created a list with  
three lines:

	put "One" & return & "Two" & return & "Three" into theList

I want to have the message box display

3
One
Two
Three


Why does

  	put theList
	put the number of lines in theList & return before msg

put only 3 into the message box and not the list itself?

But

    put the number of lines in theList
    put return & theList after msg

works fine.

Can the message box not handle before?


	Gregory


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Mon Aug 17 13:05:21 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:05:21 -0400
Subject: Why is Put not Putting
In-Reply-To: <20090817170005.277C248B4F9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090817170005.277C248B4F9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <ED2BD33B-D9CE-47EC-A23C-E19D3F71D1D7@videotron.ca>

Thank you, Ian.  Worked like a charm!

	Gregory

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
  wrote:

> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:56:45 +0100
> From: Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk>
> Subject: Re: Why is Put not Putting?
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <6D8B9F11-C84F-421C-B8EF-5BCA89796A03 at azurevision.co.uk>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
>
> On 17 Aug 2009, at 16:53, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>
>> I use the simple handler below to process large amounts of text.
>> Because it can take anywhere from a couple of seconds to ten minutes
>> to run, I like to know that something is happening, so I put the
>> very first statement in the handler, "Preparing for search..." which
>> is supposed to appear in field "Info 1" to let me know that the
>> thing has started.  The trouble is, that little progress message
>> never appears,
>
> Try adding a 'wait 10 milliseconds with messages' line after setting
> the text of the field - this should force Rev to update the screen
> part way through the handler.
>
> Ian



From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Aug 17 13:06:33 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:06:33 EDT
Subject: Why is Put not Putting?
Message-ID: <d5f.54721fd7.37bae819@aol.com>

Why? The loading of the text is at the first line of the handler. I made a 
stack with a lot of data and everything runs fine; the fields show what they 
ought to. I also assumed that there was a little navigation in getting the 
data from another card, per my reading of the script, which I put in, too, 
but cannot see why this matters.

If the "wait with messages" fix actually fixes the problem then, well, why? 
I think there is something wrong with the code.

Gregory. if you only run the script with the very first line, does the text 
load into the field?

Craig Newman


In a message dated 8/17/09 11:57:15 AM, revlist at azurevision.co.uk writes:


> 
> Try adding a 'wait 10 milliseconds with messages' line after setting?
> the text of the field - this should force Rev to update the screen?
> part way through the handler.
> 



From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Aug 17 13:27:18 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:27:18 EDT
Subject: Why is Put not Putting?
Message-ID: <d27.38b4b998.37baecf6@aol.com>

OK. With a much larger amount of data, the field does not, in fact, load 
the text until the end of the handler. The "wait with messages" works like a 
charm.

So is Gregory right? Does Rev blanch at the task upcoming, even though it 
has not accessed the data yet, and so could not possible know how large the 
task was going to be? I find this very strange, but know that someone will 
show my why it is perfectly normal.

Craig Newman


In a message dated 8/17/09 11:57:15 AM, revlist at azurevision.co.uk writes:


> Try adding a 'wait 10 milliseconds with messages' line after setting?
> the text of the field - this should force Rev to update the screen?
> part way through the handler.
> 
> 



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Aug 17 13:44:56 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:44:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] SQL Yoga: A Flexible Database Library for Revolution
In-Reply-To: <49D3EAA5-FBA5-4787-8CDD-119EF1CC86ED@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <49D3EAA5-FBA5-4787-8CDD-119EF1CC86ED@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <25011167.post@talk.nabble.com>


Trevor, what are the system requirements?

Peter


Trevor DeVore wrote:
> 
> In September Blue Mango Learning Systems will be releasing a database  
> library that will change how you work with databases in Revolution.  
> Join us Wednesday for a webinar where we will introduce SQL Yoga and  
> announce the public beta leading up to release.
> 
> Find out more on our Releasable Revolution blog:
> 
> <http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/2009/08/sql-yoga-a-flexible-database-library-for-revolution/ 
>  >
> 
> Regards,
> 
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Aug 17 14:15:06 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:15:06 -0400
Subject: [ANN] SQL Yoga: A Flexible Database Library for Revolution
In-Reply-To: <25011167.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <49D3EAA5-FBA5-4787-8CDD-119EF1CC86ED@mangomultimedia.com>
	<25011167.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <04896466-8E1A-4799-B539-D552659377FC@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>
> Trevor, what are the system requirements?

SQL Yoga sits on top of RevDB. It will require at least version 3.5 of  
Revolution.

-- 
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Mon Aug 17 14:20:52 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:20:52 +0300
Subject: [ANN] SQL Yoga: A Flexible Database Library for Revolution
In-Reply-To: <04896466-8E1A-4799-B539-D552659377FC@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <49D3EAA5-FBA5-4787-8CDD-119EF1CC86ED@mangomultimedia.com>	<25011167.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<04896466-8E1A-4799-B539-D552659377FC@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <4A899F84.3040707@ekoinf.net>

sorry for impatience, is it anything like "visual query builder" tool? :-)

All the best!
Viktoras

Trevor DeVore wrote:
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:44 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>>
>> Trevor, what are the system requirements?
>
> SQL Yoga sits on top of RevDB. It will require at least version 3.5 of 
> Revolution.
>



From randall at randallreetz.com  Mon Aug 17 14:28:01 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:28:01 -0700
Subject: Why is Put not Putting?
Message-ID: <20090817182803.OWO16408.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

i'm sure I am not the first to say so, but you are vastly over estimating the sophistication of the interpretor.  It does not forward to predict and then anticipate the intention of your script.  That is the HAL stuff of science fiction (for now).    
If you have two put statements in the same loop, (or any for that matter) you are also vastly underestimating the speed of your processor.  Your screen doesn't even refresh fast enough to capture updates to the message box that quickly.

Try nesting the main repeat loop within another loop and maintaining a counter that determines a set number of updates (say 100) each of which 1/100th of the total number of loops.  Place your progress updater in the outer repeat loop.



randall
-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 8:53 AM
To: Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Why is Put not Putting?

	Hello everyone,

	I use the simple handler below to process large amounts of text.   
Because it can take anywhere from a couple of seconds to ten minutes  
to run, I like to know that something is happening, so I put the very  
first statement in the handler, "Preparing for search..." which is  
supposed to appear in field "Info 1" to let me know that the thing has  
started.  The trouble is, that little progress message never appears,  
but the last statement in the handler, "Processing time and...,"  
does.  This suggests to me that Rev reads ahead through the handler,  
and if it is overwhelmed by a task, such as getting a big data field,  
then it cannot update the screen according to statements that came  
before.  (There are no lock screen statements in the handler.)  How  
can I fix this, so that the statements are executed in the way they  
are meant to be?

	Regards,

		Gregory


on mouseUp

    put "Preparing for search..." into fld "Info 1" -- This never  
appears in the field!

    set the itemDelimiter to tab

    get fld "Data" of card "Data" -- Lots of data

       repeat for each line thisLine in it
  	  -- Process the text
       end repeat

   put "Processing time and [other stats]" into fld "Info 1"

end mouseUp
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Aug 17 14:28:48 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:28:48 -0400
Subject: [ANN] SQL Yoga: A Flexible Database Library for Revolution
In-Reply-To: <4A899F84.3040707@ekoinf.net>
References: <49D3EAA5-FBA5-4787-8CDD-119EF1CC86ED@mangomultimedia.com>	<25011167.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<04896466-8E1A-4799-B539-D552659377FC@mangomultimedia.com>
	<4A899F84.3040707@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <9AE61253-D7B0-49BF-8336-84FA3E4C7911@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:20 PM, viktoras d. wrote:

> sorry for impatience, is it anything like "visual query builder"  
> tool? :-)

I'm not familiar with "visual query builder" but there are features  
the will build queries for you. There are no visual components to SQL  
Yoga though, it is a library.

-- 
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From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Mon Aug 17 14:55:23 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:55:23 -0700
Subject: Firefox works for revlet but not IE?
Message-ID: <4A89A79B.6020108@castandcrew.com>


Yes, this issue seems to be at least some what 'user-environment' 
related.  I tried a revlet app on my home web server (CentOS), from my 
home PC, which is running Windows XP home, and both IE and Firefox 
worked ok.  Meanwhile on my work computer, within the company network, 
and using Windows XP Pro, IE doesn't work.  Not sure where the problem 
may lie but if I ever expect to deploy any Revlets within our company 
work environment, they will have to work seamlessly for IE.  Our IT 
department won't support Firefox.



> Yep. Exactly the same on my company laptop (Win XP Pro). I do not  
> have admin privileges, so I have been assuming that that is the  
> problem. Firefox OK, IE not OK.
>
> Bruce Pokras
> Blazing Dawn Software


From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Mon Aug 17 15:03:03 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:03:03 -0700
Subject: The 'window is behind the browser' problem
Message-ID: <4A89A967.1080002@castandcrew.com>

Seems to me I recall seeing mention of the problem on this list, but 
anyway, this is basically a success story.

This weekend I tried a more complex application as a Revlet - a DB app.  
My normal is a client server model, postgreSQL on the server, and Rev on 
the desktop, using the database library.  Works great.  Didn't work as a 
revlet though, it hung and the browser froze up.

Turns out what was going on was, I had a call to  "answer" in the 
pre-open stack handler which either displayed something like "your 
database connection opened successfully with connection ID xxx" or, the 
revdberr message if the connection failed.  This answer dialog was going 
behind the browser (which could not be moved out of the way) so 
everything froze waiting for a click on the OK button.  Same behavior, 
IE or Firefox.

So I replaced all calls to the answer function with something that put 
the same answer into one of the fields on the main card being 
displayed.  Then bingo, everything was fine.

The success is, a nice DB app running in a browser windows, with all 
functionality working fine, both using IE or Firefox.  Whoo-hoo!  love it.

-- Sadhu


From barryb at libero.it  Mon Aug 17 15:03:54 2009
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:03:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: naming duplicate objects
Message-ID: <10910128.221381250535834437.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>

Hello all!
I have a short handler in an image object  which does something if 
it 
intersects two graphics, called "circle1" and "circle2", overlaying each 

other - it should not do anything if only one graphic is present. 

To my 
stupefaction it works BUT only with the two original grcs, 
nothing happens if 
the grcs are copies, clones or duplicates of the 
originals carrying the same 
name. 
As I need to have several of these 'triggers' on the same card, how 
should I name or call them correctly?
Yes, it's a game and the script, [code,
talk] in the images looks something like this.

on mouseDown
  grab me
end 
mouseDown

on mouseUp 
    if intersect (me,grc "circle1") then
            if 
intersect (me,grc "circle2") then                    
            DoMyTrick  

         end if
      end if
end mouseUp

TIA  Barry Barber


From andre at andregarzia.com  Mon Aug 17 15:14:17 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:14:17 +0100
Subject: PayPal Integration with On-Rev
In-Reply-To: <4A896158.8020908@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A896158.8020908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908171214m7574499frb73e44a0549fb0d5@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,

you're again completely correct, I just bought myself a new board game
because the shop accepted paypal and I could not help myself...

:D

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Richard Gaskin
<ambassador at fourthworld.com>wrote:

> Nicolas Cueto wrote:
>
>> You are right about the "Mom Test", and that PayPal is not as
>> straightforward as they'd like us to think. So I had a look at your
>> webstore to see how you handle payments, and was curious about how you
>> enable Visa card payments.
>>
>
> Agreed: for non-PayPal transactions, PayPal can be a bit daunting.  And
> since most hosting companies include a free shopping cart (ZenCart and Miva
> Merchant are both useful and very extensible) it's not too hard to set up a
> good payment system these days.
>
> But for folks who use PayPal, it's really hard to beat the convenience and
> very worthwhile offering it as an option.
>
> My customers beat me up for many months asking for a PayPal option, and the
> whole time I was thinking, "Why does this matter when we already accept most
> major credit cards easily enough?"
>
> Then I added a PayPal option, and I learned:
>
> Because PayPal accounts are separate from one's banking and credit card
> accounts, it doesn't feel like spending real money.  It feels like play
> money.  And the PayPal UI for account holders is dirt-simple and ultra
> convenient.
>
> In short, PayPal makes it very easy and encouraging for other PayPal
> customers to give you money.  And there are a lot of them.
>
> Once I added a PayPal option my sales when up about 8%.
>
> And as a customer, I find myself more inclined to make impulse purchases
> when I find a PayPal payment option.  With anything else, I need to evaluate
> whether it's worth the time to get out of my chair to dig up a credit card
> and do all that typing.
>
> --
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Aug 17 15:16:04 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:16:04 +0200
Subject: naming duplicate objects
In-Reply-To: <10910128.221381250535834437.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
References: <10910128.221381250535834437.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost>
Message-ID: <381AA806-214B-4241-84D1-70CE0F4657AC@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Barry,

Immediately after copying an object, you can store the long id of it  
in a variable and change the name  of the object.

copy grc x to this cd
put the long id of it into myObject
set the name of myObject to "New Graphic 1"

Does that help?

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On 17 aug 2009, at 21:03, barryb at libero.it wrote:

> Hello all!
> I have a short handler in an image object  which does something if
> it
> intersects two graphics, called "circle1" and "circle2", overlaying  
> each
>
> other - it should not do anything if only one graphic is present.
>
> To my
> stupefaction it works BUT only with the two original grcs,
> nothing happens if
> the grcs are copies, clones or duplicates of the
> originals carrying the same
> name.
> As I need to have several of these 'triggers' on the same card, how
> should I name or call them correctly?
> Yes, it's a game and the script, [code,
> talk] in the images looks something like this.
>
> on mouseDown
>  grab me
> end
> mouseDown
>
> on mouseUp
>    if intersect (me,grc "circle1") then
>            if
> intersect (me,grc "circle2") then
>            DoMyTrick
>
>         end if
>      end if
> end mouseUp
>
> TIA  Barry Barber




From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Aug 17 15:17:35 2009
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:17:35 -0400
Subject: [ANN] SQL Yoga: A Flexible Database Library for Revolution
In-Reply-To: <9AE61253-D7B0-49BF-8336-84FA3E4C7911@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <49D3EAA5-FBA5-4787-8CDD-119EF1CC86ED@mangomultimedia.com>
	<25011167.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<04896466-8E1A-4799-B539-D552659377FC@mangomultimedia.com>
	<4A899F84.3040707@ekoinf.net>
	<9AE61253-D7B0-49BF-8336-84FA3E4C7911@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <459b22a90908171217s2a597ef3sf4bb63501a9b80ee@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
Will it also work with Valentina?

Bill

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>wrote:

> On Aug 17, 2009, at 2:20 PM, viktoras d. wrote:
>
>  sorry for impatience, is it anything like "visual query builder" tool? :-)
>>
>
> I'm not familiar with "visual query builder" but there are features the
> will build queries for you. There are no visual components to SQL Yoga
> though, it is a library.
>
> --
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Aug 17 15:24:24 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:24:24 -0400
Subject: [ANN] SQL Yoga: A Flexible Database Library for Revolution
In-Reply-To: <459b22a90908171217s2a597ef3sf4bb63501a9b80ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49D3EAA5-FBA5-4787-8CDD-119EF1CC86ED@mangomultimedia.com>
	<25011167.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<04896466-8E1A-4799-B539-D552659377FC@mangomultimedia.com>
	<4A899F84.3040707@ekoinf.net>
	<9AE61253-D7B0-49BF-8336-84FA3E4C7911@mangomultimedia.com>
	<459b22a90908171217s2a597ef3sf4bb63501a9b80ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7CBA2922-636D-4E9B-BE6E-F9BA32999353@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 17, 2009, at 3:17 PM, william humphrey wrote:

> Will it also work with Valentina?

Before release, yes.  I have all of the Valentina code for  
connections, etc. included but I have yet to add Valentina to the Unit  
Testing stack.

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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Aug 17 15:36:06 2009
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:36:06 -0400
Subject: [ANN] SQL Yoga: A Flexible Database Library for Revolution
In-Reply-To: <7CBA2922-636D-4E9B-BE6E-F9BA32999353@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <49D3EAA5-FBA5-4787-8CDD-119EF1CC86ED@mangomultimedia.com>
	<25011167.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<04896466-8E1A-4799-B539-D552659377FC@mangomultimedia.com>
	<4A899F84.3040707@ekoinf.net>
	<9AE61253-D7B0-49BF-8336-84FA3E4C7911@mangomultimedia.com>
	<459b22a90908171217s2a597ef3sf4bb63501a9b80ee@mail.gmail.com>
	<7CBA2922-636D-4E9B-BE6E-F9BA32999353@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <459b22a90908171236t77c8003dx2000b0ec92353eaa@mail.gmail.com>

Great. I want to test Valentina on a stack I used your old database library
for with SQLite and which needs to be converted to Valentina. Sounds like
fun!

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>wrote:

> On Aug 17, 2009, at 3:17 PM, william humphrey wrote:
>
>  Will it also work with Valentina?
>>
>
> Before release, yes.  I have all of the Valentina code for connections,
> etc. included but I have yet to add Valentina to the Unit Testing stack.
>
>
> --
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Aug 17 15:37:42 2009
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:37:42 -0400
Subject: odd number and even numbers
Message-ID: <459b22a90908171237y6aefa1fcvbe864001b800db1d@mail.gmail.com>

Don't kick me but what is the simple way to tell in a repeat function
x = 1 to total number
put x and x + 1
when x is even do this
or when x is odd do this


??

I started using mod and all kinds of weird math and I know there must be a
simple way.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Aug 17 15:39:56 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:39:56 +0200
Subject: Line wrapping
Message-ID: <618EC9C7-75E5-4B35-BF00-92952E73F84C@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

Could anyone think of a way to make long lines in the script editor  
wrap? This really drives me nuts.

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Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Aug 17 15:43:46 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:43:46 +0200
Subject: odd number and even numbers
In-Reply-To: <459b22a90908171237y6aefa1fcvbe864001b800db1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <459b22a90908171237y6aefa1fcvbe864001b800db1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4CA5B08-2E1E-49C0-B58F-B3883281D85D@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi William,

Here's one of many possibilities:

function even theNr
   return (trunc(theNr/2)*2 is theNr)
end even

function odd theNr
   return not even(theNr)
end odd

Actually, believe mine is a bit clumsy, but ut works.

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Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 17 aug 2009, at 21:37, william humphrey wrote:

> Don't kick me but what is the simple way to tell in a repeat function
> x = 1 to total number
> put x and x + 1
> when x is even do this
> or when x is odd do this
>
>
> ??
>
> I started using mod and all kinds of weird math and I know there  
> must be a
> simple way.




From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Aug 17 15:44:48 2009
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:44:48 -0400
Subject: odd number and even numbers
In-Reply-To: <B4CA5B08-2E1E-49C0-B58F-B3883281D85D@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <459b22a90908171237y6aefa1fcvbe864001b800db1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4CA5B08-2E1E-49C0-B58F-B3883281D85D@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <459b22a90908171244h5d6e809bs55ae780efb0aadf8@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks. That was so quick and I will use it right now.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:

> Hi William,
>
> Here's one of many possibilities:
>
> function even theNr
>  return (trunc(theNr/2)*2 is theNr)
> end even
>
> function odd theNr
>  return not even(theNr)
> end odd
>
> Actually, believe mine is a bit clumsy, but ut works.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
>
> On 17 aug 2009, at 21:37, william humphrey wrote:
>
>  Don't kick me but what is the simple way to tell in a repeat function
>> x = 1 to total number
>> put x and x + 1
>> when x is even do this
>> or when x is odd do this
>>
>>
>> ??
>>
>> I started using mod and all kinds of weird math and I know there must be a
>> simple way.
>>
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Aug 17 15:50:49 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:50:49 -0700
Subject: odd number and even numbers
In-Reply-To: <459b22a90908171237y6aefa1fcvbe864001b800db1d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <459b22a90908171237y6aefa1fcvbe864001b800db1d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13372070093.20090817125049@ahsoftware.net>

william-

Monday, August 17, 2009, 12:37:42 PM, you wrote:

> I started using mod and all kinds of weird math and I know there must be a
> simple way.

if x mod 2 is 1 then
 put "I'm odd"
else
 put "I'm even"
end if
 
-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From coiin at rcn.com  Mon Aug 17 15:55:19 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:55:19 -0400
Subject: odd number and even numbers
In-Reply-To: <B4CA5B08-2E1E-49C0-B58F-B3883281D85D@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <459b22a90908171237y6aefa1fcvbe864001b800db1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4CA5B08-2E1E-49C0-B58F-B3883281D85D@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <88A2C95E-C0B6-46E3-A962-85DFC55ADE83@rcn.com>

Another approach is to use Step in your repeat loop. See this:

on test
    repeat with a = 1 to 10 step 2
       put return & a*3 after msg
       put return & sqrt(a+1) after msg
    end repeat
end test

For odd numbers a*3 will be put, and for even numbers the square root  
of the number will be put. Doing it that way involves no if  
statements, and no function calls.




From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Aug 17 15:58:20 2009
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 15:58:20 -0400
Subject: odd number and even numbers
In-Reply-To: <88A2C95E-C0B6-46E3-A962-85DFC55ADE83@rcn.com>
References: <459b22a90908171237y6aefa1fcvbe864001b800db1d@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4CA5B08-2E1E-49C0-B58F-B3883281D85D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<88A2C95E-C0B6-46E3-A962-85DFC55ADE83@rcn.com>
Message-ID: <459b22a90908171258v3f9c65cxa7105a107c5a8610@mail.gmail.com>

That's even better. Thanks. Never heard of step.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Colin Holgate <coiin at rcn.com> wrote:

> Another approach is to use Step in your repeat loop. See this:
>
> on test
>   repeat with a = 1 to 10 step 2
>      put return & a*3 after msg
>      put return & sqrt(a+1) after msg
>   end repeat
> end test
>
> For odd numbers a*3 will be put, and for even numbers the square root of
> the number will be put. Doing it that way involves no if statements, and no
> function calls.
>
>
>
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Mon Aug 17 16:28:41 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 13:28:41 -0700
Subject: Why is Put not Putting?
In-Reply-To: <20090817182803.OWO16408.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090817182803.OWO16408.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <4A57AD16-EEB7-45F4-93DF-6825D7B41C46@randallreetz.com>

put (the number of words in txtToProcess) into TotWrds
put 100 into Batches
put  (round(TotWrds/Batches)) into WrdsPerBatch
repeat with PrcessChunkCnt 1 to (Batches+1)
	put "Now processing word "&((PrcessChunkCnt-1)*WrdsPerBatch) & " to  
" &(PrcessChunkCnt*(WrdsPerBatch) & " of " & TotWrds &"."
	repeat with WrdCnt =  1 to WrdsPerBatch
		if (((PrcessChunkCnt-1)*WrdsPerBatch)+WrdCnt)? TotWrds
		then
          	  -- do something to word (((PrcessChunkCnt-1) 
*WrdsPerBatch)+WrdCnt)
		else
			exit repeat
		end if
	end repeat
end repeat
On Aug 17, 2009, at 11:28 AM, Randall Reetz wrote:

> i'm sure I am not the first to say so, but you are vastly over  
> estimating the sophistication of the interpretor.  It does not  
> forward to predict and then anticipate the intention of your  
> script.  That is the HAL stuff of science fiction (for now).
> If you have two put statements in the same loop, (or any for that  
> matter) you are also vastly underestimating the speed of your  
> processor.  Your screen doesn't even refresh fast enough to capture  
> updates to the message box that quickly.
>
> Try nesting the main repeat loop within another loop and  
> maintaining a counter that determines a set number of updates (say  
> 100) each of which 1/100th of the total number of loops.  Place  
> your progress updater in the outer repeat loop.
>
>
>
> randall
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 8:53 AM
> To: Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Why is Put not Putting?
>
> 	Hello everyone,
>
> 	I use the simple handler below to process large amounts of text.
> Because it can take anywhere from a couple of seconds to ten minutes
> to run, I like to know that something is happening, so I put the very
> first statement in the handler, "Preparing for search..." which is
> supposed to appear in field "Info 1" to let me know that the thing has
> started.  The trouble is, that little progress message never appears,
> but the last statement in the handler, "Processing time and...,"
> does.  This suggests to me that Rev reads ahead through the handler,
> and if it is overwhelmed by a task, such as getting a big data field,
> then it cannot update the screen according to statements that came
> before.  (There are no lock screen statements in the handler.)  How
> can I fix this, so that the statements are executed in the way they
> are meant to be?
>
> 	Regards,
>
> 		Gregory
>
>
> on mouseUp
>
>     put "Preparing for search..." into fld "Info 1" -- This never
> appears in the field!
>
>     set the itemDelimiter to tab
>
>     get fld "Data" of card "Data" -- Lots of data
>
>        repeat for each line thisLine in it
>   	  -- Process the text
>        end repeat
>
>    put "Processing time and [other stats]" into fld "Info 1"
>
> end mouseUp
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Aug 17 16:35:35 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:35:35 EDT
Subject: Line wrapping
Message-ID: <d57.308ee7a6.37bb1917@aol.com>

Mark:

I see your point. But if this feature was implemented, you would have to be 
very careful to make sure your logical lines conformed to your visible 
lines, so you would know where to put line break chars.

Craig

In a message dated 8/17/09 3:40:12 PM, m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com 
writes:


> Hi,
> 
> Could anyone think of a way to make long lines in the script editor?
> wrap? This really drives me nuts.
> 



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Aug 17 16:40:18 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 22:40:18 +0200
Subject: Line wrapping
In-Reply-To: <d57.308ee7a6.37bb1917@aol.com>
References: <d57.308ee7a6.37bb1917@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B449F0E9-1056-49EF-A0ED-49E27EA1E5ED@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Craig,

It was implemented before and I used it a lot. That made it  
unnecessary to use line break chars. Hence my frustrations now.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 17 aug 2009, at 22:35, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Mark:
>
> I see your point. But if this feature was implemented, you would  
> have to be
> very careful to make sure your logical lines conformed to your visible
> lines, so you would know where to put line break chars.
>
> Craig



From DunbarX at aol.com  Mon Aug 17 17:25:00 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:25:00 EDT
Subject: Line wrapping
Message-ID: <d49.5068e3b4.37bb24ac@aol.com>

Mark.

In an earlier Rev? So the line wrap automatically added a "\" at compile 
time? That reallyt would be useful.

Craig

In a message dated 8/17/09 4:40:50 PM, m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com 
writes:


> Hi Craig,
> 
> It was implemented before and I used it a lot. That made it?
> unnecessary to use line break chars. Hence my frustrations now.
> 



From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Aug 17 17:41:48 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:41:48 -0500
Subject: The 'window is behind the browser' problem
In-Reply-To: <4A89A967.1080002@castandcrew.com>
References: <4A89A967.1080002@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <4A89CE9C.5080305@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Has the 'window behind the browser' problem been solved yet?

My program uses a lot of dialog boxes, so they all appear behind the
browser window, and I can't utilize the web feature until that's been fixed.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 18:12:20 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:12:20 +1000
Subject: The 'window is behind the browser' problem
In-Reply-To: <4A89CE9C.5080305@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <4A89A967.1080002@castandcrew.com>
	<4A89CE9C.5080305@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908171512p365e071bub74594057b3f751d@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Derek
Bump<userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com> wrote:
> Has the 'window behind the browser' problem been solved yet?
>
> My program uses a lot of dialog boxes, so they all appear behind the
> browser window, and I can't utilize the web feature until that's been fixed.


RunRev put in a hack that makes ask & answer dialogs actually system
windows, so they pop to the front (although Sadhu's experience seemed
to contradict this).
Other dialogs, like file selectors, will NOT come to the front yet.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 18:21:46 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:21:46 +1000
Subject: Firefox works for revlet but not IE?
In-Reply-To: <4A89A79B.6020108@castandcrew.com>
References: <4A89A79B.6020108@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908171521t37ccbf66u79f5159c32caa8a2@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 4:55 AM, Sadhu Nadesan<sadhu at castandcrew.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, this issue seems to be at least some what 'user-environment' related.
> ?I tried a revlet app on my home web server (CentOS), from my home PC, which
> is running Windows XP home, and both IE and Firefox worked ok. ?Meanwhile on
> my work computer, within the company network, and using Windows XP Pro, IE
> doesn't work. ?Not sure where the problem may lie but if I ever expect to
> deploy any Revlets within our company work environment, they will have to
> work seamlessly for IE. ?Our IT department won't support Firefox.


No solution, but for diagnostic purposes:

Are you an admin user on both systems?
If not, can you switch to admin to install the plugin?
What happens if you access your home server's revlet from your work computer?

And off-topic, an IT department not supporting Firefox is analogous to
an IT department not supporting Macs - they don't want to encourage
anything that would lead to vastly less support being necessary.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 18:54:28 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:54:28 +1000
Subject: ANN: Economy-x-Talk releases the word game TwistAWord
In-Reply-To: <338A51AA-2B50-402F-81CF-A3AFBCC890B9@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <338A51AA-2B50-402F-81CF-A3AFBCC890B9@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908171554j301e92efi785c924918f8836f@mail.gmail.com>

> Economy-x-Talk has released a brand new game called TwistAWord. Goal of the
> game is to create sentences from jumbled words, which form a saying or
> expression. While this game is just fun to play, it also helps you improve
> your language skills in eight different languages.
>
> TwistAWord is available for Windows and Mac OS X and can be downloaded at
> <http://www.twistaword.net>. Unregistered copies quit every 10 minutes, but
> you can always start the game again. A registration code can be purchased
> for ? 14.95.
>
> Even though we are releasing TwistAWord today, we still appreciate your bug
> reports. The first 5 useful bug reports are rewarded with a free license.
> Visit <http://www.twistaword.net/test.php> for more info.
>
> TwistAWord was made with Runtime Revolution.
>


Very nice Mark. Congratulations on the release.
I had one period when dragging didn't work correctly - the word lagged
behind the mouse and the mouse didn't have the right cursor icon, but
I wasn't able to reproduce it.

Cheers,
Sarah


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Aug 17 19:51:33 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:51:33 -0700
Subject: Line wrapping
In-Reply-To: <d49.5068e3b4.37bb24ac@aol.com>
References: <d49.5068e3b4.37bb24ac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908171651h2f4ddedfr2267ce61c6ff917f@mail.gmail.com>

It's better for one to do one's own wrapping.
for instance

put field "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack "myStack" into field "myField2"
of cd "nextCard" of stack "otherStack"

is a horrible jumble of garbage to the eyes, but

 put\

                  field "myField" \

                  of cd "myCard" \

                  of stack "myStack" \

                  into field "myField2" \

                  of cd "nextCard" \

                  of stack "otherStack"


makes a lot of sense. Automatic wrapping can't do that. And it's easier to
edit the references. And the compiler and indenter both are happy with it.
And one can make the edit window narrower.



-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/17 <DunbarX at aol.com>

> Mark.
>
> In an earlier Rev? So the line wrap automatically added a "\" at compile
> time? That reallyt would be useful.
>
> Craig
>
> In a message dated 8/17/09 4:40:50 PM, m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com
> writes:
>
>
> > Hi Craig,
> >
> > It was implemented before and I used it a lot. That made it
> > unnecessary to use line break chars. Hence my frustrations now.
> >
>
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From alex at tweedly.net  Mon Aug 17 20:04:19 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 01:04:19 +0100
Subject: Rev Web plugin and new version of Firefox.
Message-ID: <4A89F003.3040606@tweedly.net>


Firefox is ready to update (to 3.5.2), but warns me that

"This update will cause some of your extensions and/or themes to stop 
working until they are updated."

Clicking "Show List" shows that "Revolution Web Plugin 0.1a.20090204" 
will be disabled.

Is there a newer version available ? Which is compatible with FF 3.5.2 ?
If so, how do I get the updated version ?

Thanks
-- Alex.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 17 20:04:58 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:04:58 -0500
Subject: Line wrapping
In-Reply-To: <d49.5068e3b4.37bb24ac@aol.com>
References: <d49.5068e3b4.37bb24ac@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4A89F02A.6080300@hyperactivesw.com>

DunbarX at aol.com wrote:
> Mark.
> 
> In an earlier Rev? So the line wrap automatically added a "\" at compile 
> time?

Nope. All it did was turn off the "dontwrap" property of the script 
field. The display could become pretty messy, but you could see all of 
the text of long lines.

I'm inclined to think it could be confusing for newcomers.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Mon Aug 17 20:14:47 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:14:47 -0400
Subject: Why is Put not Putting?
In-Reply-To: <20090817235137.53FCA48B470@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090817235137.53FCA48B470@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AA085F49-62A3-4392-8640-B8557178EBF4@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Craig Newman wrote:

> OK. With a much larger amount of data, the field does not, in fact,  
> load
> the text until the end of the handler. The "wait with messages"  
> works like a
> charm.
>
> So is Gregory right? Does Rev blanch at the task upcoming, even  
> though it
> has not accessed the data yet, and so could not possible know how  
> large the
> task was going to be? I find this very strange, but know that  
> someone will
> show my why it is perfectly normal.

Hi Craig, I think it just gets to the next statements (the data  
processing) faster than it has an opportunity to update any visuals.   
If I exit the handler before executing any data processing statements,  
then the progress message is displayed.  And incidentally, it is not  
the amount of data that is subsequently dealt with that causes the  
problem.  If I get only ten lines data, rather than the whole 152,000,  
the progress message still won't appear in the field.


>
> Craig Newman

Around the same time, Randall Reetz wrote:


> i'm sure I am not the first to say so, but you are vastly over  
> estimating the sophistication of the interpretor.  It does not  
> forward to predict and then anticipate the intention of your  
> script.  That is the HAL stuff of science fiction (for now).

That's not what I was saying, Randall, although I can see that the way  
I wrote it, it could be interpreted as such.  As I responded above to  
Craig, it may be that Rev gets to the next instructions faster than it  
can update visuals, and if those next instructions are processor  
intensive (not that I know what that means) than it cannot update the  
visuals.

> If you have two put statements in the same loop, (or any for that  
> matter) you are also vastly underestimating the speed of your  
> processor.  Your screen doesn't even refresh fast enough to capture  
> updates to the message box that quickly.
>
> Try nesting the main repeat loop within another loop and maintaining  
> a counter that determines a set number of updates (say 100) each of  
> which 1/100th of the total number of loops.  Place your progress  
> updater in the outer repeat loop.

	Gregory



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Aug 17 20:13:53 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:13:53 -0700
Subject: Rev Web plugin and new version of Firefox.
In-Reply-To: <4A89F003.3040606@tweedly.net>
References: <4A89F003.3040606@tweedly.net>
Message-ID: <9887853875.20090817171353@ahsoftware.net>

Alex-

Monday, August 17, 2009, 5:04:19 PM, you wrote:

> Is there a newer version available ? Which is compatible with FF 3.5.2 ?
> If so, how do I get the updated version ?

Works for me with 3.5.2. I never got that warning about the
incompatibility, but maybe I picked up the plugin after updating. I
don't remember anymore. Anyway, no problems with the plugin.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Mon Aug 17 20:25:55 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:25:55 -0700
Subject: The 'window is behind the browser' problem
Message-ID: <4A89F513.6090708@castandcrew.com>

Hi Sarah,

Ok, thank you!  Well, at least it's a known problem.  I have a couple of apps which are currently deployed here at work as Windoz programs, but the users prefer browser apps - so sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for this to be addressed, so they can be wow'd.  I did download the newest version of Rev Enterprise at home this weekend before doing the testing.

Sadhu

> RunRev put in a hack that makes ask & answer dialogs actually system
> windows, so they pop to the front (although Sadhu's experience seemed
> to contradict this).
> Other dialogs, like file selectors, will NOT come to the front yet.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Mon Aug 17 20:43:51 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:43:51 -0700
Subject: Firefox works for revlet but not IE?
Message-ID: <4A89F947.3070807@castandcrew.com>

>
> No solution, but for diagnostic purposes:
>
> Are you an admin user on both systems?
> If not, can you switch to admin to install the plugin?
> What happens if you access your home server's revlet from your work computer?
>
> And off-topic, an IT department not supporting Firefox is analogous to
> an IT department not supporting Macs - they don't want to encourage
> anything that would lead to vastly less support being necessary.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>   

Hi again, Sarah

1) Am admin user on home PC, but not on work PC.  Yes, I can try that.  
If I can find where I put that admin password (they had to give it to me 
once to solve some problem, hee hee).  Will advise.

2) Trying to access the home server's revlet from the work computer also 
hung.  Apparently I didn't get all of the "it's another window" issues 
because when I killed off the browser I saw an "ask" dialog that had 
been behind it inquiring whether or not I wanted to connect by IP number 
because the connection failed.  However, it was not a fair test because 
I have PostgreSQL locked down for specific outside IP addresses only in 
the pg_hba.conf file, and my work IP isn't listed.  I should try a 
simpler app I guess.

3) Har har!  Yeah, company growth is an interesting thing.   IT here has 
become more MS oriented I'm afraid.  What they don't seem to acknowledge 
is, we built this city on Unix and open source.  Oh well.  And, it is 
amazing how many help desk tickets we see from Outlook users, virtually 
none  from  Thunderbird users, as an example,  but they claim it is 
because we do not yet use Exchange as our MTA.  I fear they want to 
force us into one mold, judging from a recent email below from the CIO:  
(a response to a Thunderbird user who sent in a help desk ticket because 
they got an unopenable "winmail.dat" attachment  from an outlook user- 
of course I referred them to tnef, which can decode winmail.dat files).  
He said,  (IE 6??  it's up to 8).

I realize that not everyone is using Outlook and IE6, but that is the
standard mail client and internet browser, respectively. We've allowed
others to be used, but I am not willing to invest resources to address what
appears to be a non-standard application issue. It's unclear as to why
Squirrel Mail is not functioning, but we do need to start migrating towards
the standard applications. 




From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Mon Aug 17 21:08:43 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 18:08:43 -0700
Subject: Firefox works for revlet but not IE?
In-Reply-To: <4A89F947.3070807@castandcrew.com>
References: <4A89F947.3070807@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <4A89FF1B.8040409@castandcrew.com>

Result:  same thing, whether installed as admin, or used as admin, IE 
wants to re-download the plug in every time, so the revlet never runs, 
while Firefox just works
>
>
> 1) Am admin user on home PC, but not on work PC.  Yes, I can try that.  I


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon Aug 17 22:06:12 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:06:12 -0500
Subject: Text number conversion
Message-ID: <4A8A0C94.3060906@crcom.net>

I'm talking to a microprocessor device using sockets and it returns a 
string like the following:

0,0x7BCC

The first item is a status code and the number after the comma is the 
hex value expressed as ASCII characters.  It will always be 4 digits.  I 
can't seem to convert this into a number (using baseConvert).  Is there 
some conversion command that I can't find?  I need a number because I'm 
after just one or two bits in that number and I can't use "bitAnd" 
unless I've got a number to work with.

len morgan


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Aug 17 22:10:18 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:10:18 -0700
Subject: Text number conversion
In-Reply-To: <4A8A0C94.3060906@crcom.net>
References: <4A8A0C94.3060906@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908171910m4cbd4197q358e53d4606d4f0e@mail.gmail.com>

the x is just to show that it's a HEX 16 bit number
just do a baseconvert on  the 7B66 part.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/17 Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net>

> I'm talking to a microprocessor device using sockets and it returns a
> string like the following:
>
> 0,0x7BCC
>
> The first item is a status code and the number after the comma is the hex
> value expressed as ASCII characters.  It will always be 4 digits.  I can't
> seem to convert this into a number (using baseConvert).  Is there some
> conversion command that I can't find?  I need a number because I'm after
> just one or two bits in that number and I can't use "bitAnd" unless I've got
> a number to work with.
>
> len morgan
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Aug 17 22:11:51 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:11:51 -0700
Subject: Text number conversion
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70908171910m4cbd4197q358e53d4606d4f0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A8A0C94.3060906@crcom.net>
	<e5e009d70908171910m4cbd4197q358e53d4606d4f0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908171911n1abb94eco3855fb309afef936@mail.gmail.com>

put baseConvert("7B66",16,10)


31590


-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/17 stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>

> the x is just to show that it's a HEX 16 bit number
> just do a baseconvert on  the 7B66 part.
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
>
>
> 2009/8/17 Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net>
>
> I'm talking to a microprocessor device using sockets and it returns a
>> string like the following:
>>
>> 0,0x7BCC
>>
>> The first item is a status code and the number after the comma is the hex
>> value expressed as ASCII characters.  It will always be 4 digits.  I can't
>> seem to convert this into a number (using baseConvert).  Is there some
>> conversion command that I can't find?  I need a number because I'm after
>> just one or two bits in that number and I can't use "bitAnd" unless I've got
>> a number to work with.
>>
>> len morgan
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>
>


From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Mon Aug 17 22:13:22 2009
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:13:22 +0100
Subject: Radio buttons that don't look like radio buttons
In-Reply-To: <20090817235137.3B5B048B44A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090817235137.3B5B048B44A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5810DD12-4465-4435-B373-BB334CE32A9D@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>

Revolutionaries,

I have several cards containing many radio buttons, and want to have  
a summary screen which consists of an array of colour indicators  
reflecting the status of the scattered radio buttons.  I remembered  
that many years ago I made some radio buttons that didn't look like  
radio buttons (they were intended to function and look a bit like the  
pop up - down mechanical buttons on old cassette recorders). So I set  
out the summary card with radio buttons which are set and reset by  
user actions on corresponding groups on the relevant card.  That  
works fine.  A brief script built around

set the hilitedbutton of  SummaryGroupOnCard1  to the hilitedbutton  
of the owner of the target

does the trick.

However, the summary display can't look like radio buttons in the  
final product, because users will quite reasonably expect to be able  
to click on them.  I planned to change the properties of the summary  
buttons after I had finished laying out and scripting the cards the  
users will actually interact with.

When the time came, I started to set and tweak properties and colours  
of the buttons on the summary card, but couldn't get the simple plain  
colour patch which switches on or off mutually exclusively with its  
fellow group members.

After maybe an hour of futile clicking, I set out to find the buttons  
I made years ago, and to my amazement succeeded.  However, I *still*  
can't find out how I made the radio buttons not have the little radio  
button blob in the middle.  There is no scripting involved, and no  
icons.   They do have hilited text and fill colours that match - if  
they don't, a little dot appears when selected, like old Win radio  
buttons (I am on OS X).   Selection is only indicated by a change in  
the border.  However, even though I have matched as many properties  
and colours as I can find, my new radio buttons insist on having the  
radio button blob.

I know I could just copy the little group I have, and use them, but  
this is really bugging me.  Was I quite clever years ago, or am I  
being quite dumb now?

David Glasgow




From irog at mac.com  Mon Aug 17 22:59:58 2009
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 19:59:58 -0700
Subject: Use Of The Scroll Ball On The Mighty Mouse
Message-ID: <AB6EE0A0-17CD-4318-905B-D8F04DDACEB0@mac.com>

Does anyone know of a way to the use the scroll ball feature of the  
Apple Mighty Mouse and scroll wheels on other mouses (mice?) in RevTalk?

TIA and cheers,

Roger Guay


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 17 23:01:22 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:01:22 -0700
Subject: Line wrapping
Message-ID: <4A8A1982.6080900@fourthworld.com>

stephen barncard wrote:

> It's better for one to do one's own wrapping.
> for instance
> 
> put field "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack "myStack" into field "myField2"
> of cd "nextCard" of stack "otherStack"
> 
> is a horrible jumble of garbage to the eyes, but
> 
>  put\
> 
>                   field "myField" \
> 
>                   of cd "myCard" \
> 
>                   of stack "myStack" \
> 
>                   into field "myField2" \
> 
>                   of cd "nextCard" \
> 
>                   of stack "otherStack"
> 
> 
> makes a lot of sense. Automatic wrapping can't do that. And it's easier to
> edit the references. And the compiler and indenter both are happy with it.
> And one can make the edit window narrower.

A good point, well illustrated.

Another benefit of adding line wraps manually is that it requires you to 
read the code at least well enough to find usful line breaks, sometimes 
a useful task when inheriting a code base.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Aug 17 23:15:58 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:15:58 -0700
Subject: Line wrapping
In-Reply-To: <4A8A1982.6080900@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A8A1982.6080900@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908172015j3cb3d37dn18b7cd2c9a690472@mail.gmail.com>

Somehow the mailer put spaces between each line of code. Obviously that
won't compile but it does look right in the editors.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/17 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>

> stephen barncard wrote:
>
>  It's better for one to do one's own wrapping.
>> for instance
>>
>> put field "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack "myStack" into field
>> "myField2"
>> of cd "nextCard" of stack "otherStack"
>>
>> is a horrible jumble of garbage to the eyes, but
>>
>>  put\
>>
>>                  field "myField" \
>>
>>                  of cd "myCard" \
>>
>>                  of stack "myStack" \
>>
>>                  into field "myField2" \
>>
>>                  of cd "nextCard" \
>>
>>                  of stack "otherStack"
>>
>>
>> makes a lot of sense. Automatic wrapping can't do that. And it's easier to
>> edit the references. And the compiler and indenter both are happy with it.
>> And one can make the edit window narrower.
>>
>
> A good point, well illustrated.
>
> Another benefit of adding line wraps manually is that it requires you to
> read the code at least well enough to find usful line breaks, sometimes a
> useful task when inheriting a code base.
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World
>  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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>


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Aug 17 23:31:53 2009
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:31:53 -0700
Subject: Use Of The Scroll Ball On The Mighty Mouse
In-Reply-To: <AB6EE0A0-17CD-4318-905B-D8F04DDACEB0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C6AF6EB9.43BA1%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Roger Guay wrote:

> Does anyone know of a way to the use the scroll ball feature of the
> Apple Mighty Mouse and scroll wheels on other mouses (mice?) in RevTalk?

Not sure about the Mighty Mouse but I think you want to trap the rawKeyDown
message, yes?

65309 = scroll up (decrease scroll)
65038 = scroll down (increase scroll)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design





From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon Aug 17 23:58:54 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:58:54 -0400
Subject: [ann] Dictionary Plugin for Third Party Developers
Message-ID: <995045A0-8615-476C-8DE4-DEA54EAA3690@wehostmacs.com>

Well after zero beta testing I am ready to announce the release of the  
Dictionary Plugin for Third Party Developers.

This plugin allows developers of third party add-ons to Runtime  
Revolution have their documentation displayed in the built-in  
Dictionary in a "Third Party" category. All third party documentation  
is loaded from HTML files (keep in mind the limitations of the RevHTML  
features of the field object) and can be created easily and quickly.

Documentation can be loaded on the fly and only requires the  
Dictionary to be reopened to be updated.

This plugin has been tested in Revolution Enterprise 3.5 and 4.0; Mac  
OS X 10.4 and 10.5. If you are using a different system and run into  
any issues please contact us and we will get it sorted out right away.

Screen captures
http://www.shaosean.tk/images/doc1.png
http://www.shaosean.tk/images/doc2.png

Download link can be found at the top of < www.shaosean.tk >

-Sean


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 05:38:00 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:38:00 +0300
Subject: non-standard unicode fonts
Message-ID: <4A8A7678.6030304@gmail.com>

Because the unicode consortium did not make space for all the highly 
complex characters required to produce properly digitised
Devanagari (Hindi/Sanskrit) text a semi-official standard has been 
evolved by indologists whereby most characters are stored in
a non-unicode area starting beyond the 65535 limitation of the Basic 
Multilingual Plane (at 65538).  As far as I can tell these
characters are completely inaccessible to Runtime Revolution.

Please advise.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Aug 18 06:35:42 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:35:42 +0200
Subject: Line wrapping
In-Reply-To: <4A8A1982.6080900@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A8A1982.6080900@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <65B42448-C6F7-4D98-A9CA-9F70D4650248@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

You people talk like appreciating the lack of the feature I was asking  
for is obligatory and wanting something different is prohibited. I  
want automatic line wrapping. Period.

I haven't got a reply to my answer yet. Could anyone think of a way to  
make lines wrap automatically in the script editor? I guess that just  
setting the dontWrap of field "Script" of stack "revNewScriptEditor"  
to false will break it.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 18 aug 2009, at 05:01, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> It's better for one to do one's own wrapping.
>> for instance
>> put field "myField" of cd "myCard" of stack "myStack" into field  
>> "myField2"
>> of cd "nextCard" of stack "otherStack"
>> is a horrible jumble of garbage to the eyes, but
>> put\
>>                  field "myField" \
>>                  of cd "myCard" \
>>                  of stack "myStack" \
>>                  into field "myField2" \
>>                  of cd "nextCard" \
>>                  of stack "otherStack"
>> makes a lot of sense. Automatic wrapping can't do that. And it's  
>> easier to
>> edit the references. And the compiler and indenter both are happy  
>> with it.
>> And one can make the edit window narrower.
>
> A good point, well illustrated.
>
> Another benefit of adding line wraps manually is that it requires  
> you to read the code at least well enough to find usful line breaks,  
> sometimes a useful task when inheriting a code base.
>
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
> Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
> Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com



From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Aug 18 08:08:39 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:08:39 +0200
Subject: [OT] Re-introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <20090817130433.C57E148AFAA@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090817130433.C57E148AFAA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>

Hi all,

just to let you know (and to avoid any confusion, once you stumble  
upon the new name). I got married last friday. From now on you will  
see me signing with

" Malte Pfaff-Brill "

same person though. Nothing much changes. Just that my name resembles  
those of my kids now. <g>

All the best,

Malte

--
Malte Pfaff-Brill
CEO derbrill Multimedia
CTO awesome mega mighty games
VAT ID DE223571286
Tel: +49 4331 337 977 7
email: info at derbrill.de
             malte at awesomemegamightygames.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 08:13:19 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:13:19 +0300
Subject: [OT] Re-introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
References: <20090817130433.C57E148AFAA@mail.runrev.com>
	<18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <4A8A9ADF.6040107@gmail.com>

Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> just to let you know (and to avoid any confusion, once you stumble 
> upon the new name). I got married last friday. From now on you will 
> see me signing with
>
> " Malte Pfaff-Brill "
>
> same person though. Nothing much changes. Just that my name resembles 
> those of my kids now. <g>
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte
>
Congratulations!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.


From heather at runrev.com  Tue Aug 18 08:14:44 2009
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:14:44 +0100
Subject: Spellcheck Webinar this afternoon
Message-ID: <0E1C957F-20C2-45FE-903D-55671DB08040@runrev.com>

Dear List Folks,

In case you missed it in revUp and the Webinar invite we sent out,  
we'll be introducing a brand new RevSelect product this afternoon, in  
a free Webinar:

https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/248967594

It kicks off at 2pm UK time, which is in about 50 minutes now, so  
there is still time for you to sign up and join us if you wish! Meet  
Scott McDonald, our newest Vendor and have him walk you through his  
excellent Spellcheck addon for Revolution. There will be coupons...

Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com
follow me on twitter
http://www.twitter.com/lainopik



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Aug 18 08:22:53 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:22:53 +0200
Subject: Spellcheck Webinar this afternoon
In-Reply-To: <0E1C957F-20C2-45FE-903D-55671DB08040@runrev.com>
References: <0E1C957F-20C2-45FE-903D-55671DB08040@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1B39BC53-9F18-4004-89CB-A315FCC8D8D6@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Heather,

If you had given this a bit more attention or if you had sent me an e- 
mail, I would have included it in the iCal calendar for RunRev (and I  
would have attended myself).

You can find the Revolution calendar at <webcal://runrev.info/ical/revolution.ics 
 >.

Alright, I'll try to be there this afternoon....

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 18 aug 2009, at 14:14, Heather Nagey wrote:

> Dear List Folks,
>
> In case you missed it in revUp and the Webinar invite we sent out,  
> we'll be introducing a brand new RevSelect product this afternoon,  
> in a free Webinar:
>
> https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/248967594
>
> It kicks off at 2pm UK time, which is in about 50 minutes now, so  
> there is still time for you to sign up and join us if you wish! Meet  
> Scott McDonald, our newest Vendor and have him walk you through his  
> excellent Spellcheck addon for Revolution. There will be coupons...
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Nagey
> Customer Services Manager
> Runtime Revolution Ltd
> http://www.runrev.com
> follow me on twitter
> http://www.twitter.com/lainopik
>



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 08:28:08 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 22:28:08 +1000
Subject: [OT] Re-introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
References: <20090817130433.C57E148AFAA@mail.runrev.com>
	<18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908180528l53df2854sbe89e44ce6eb266a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Malte
Pfaff-Brill<revolution at derbrill.de> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> just to let you know (and to avoid any confusion, once you stumble upon the
> new name). I got married last friday. From now on you will see me signing
> with
>
> " Malte Pfaff-Brill "


Congratulations to you & Mrs Malte :-)

Cheers,
Sarah


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Aug 18 08:29:39 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:29:39 +0200
Subject: [OT] Re-introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
References: <20090817130433.C57E148AFAA@mail.runrev.com>
	<18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <1EDC6C37-1C80-4D1B-B9D8-6207AB3066A1@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Malte

As you know, I wrote you in two different places already, but I'd like  
to repeat my wish in public. Congratulations and lots of happiness for  
both of.... no for all of you :-)

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 18 aug 2009, at 14:08, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> just to let you know (and to avoid any confusion, once you stumble  
> upon the new name). I got married last friday. From now on you will  
> see me signing with
>
> " Malte Pfaff-Brill "
>
> same person though. Nothing much changes. Just that my name  
> resembles those of my kids now. <g>
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte



From andre at andregarzia.com  Tue Aug 18 08:48:49 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:48:49 +0100
Subject: [OT] Re-introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
References: <20090817130433.C57E148AFAA@mail.runrev.com>
	<18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908180548x5d458356nebb28c89af01f22c@mail.gmail.com>

Yay! Congratulations for you and yours Malte!!!!

:D

My best wishes to your family!

cheers
andre

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Malte Pfaff-Brill
<revolution at derbrill.de>wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> just to let you know (and to avoid any confusion, once you stumble upon the
> new name). I got married last friday. From now on you will see me signing
> with
>
> " Malte Pfaff-Brill "
>
> same person though. Nothing much changes. Just that my name resembles those
> of my kids now. <g>
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte
>
> --
> Malte Pfaff-Brill
> CEO derbrill Multimedia
> CTO awesome mega mighty games
> VAT ID DE223571286
> Tel: +49 4331 337 977 7
> email: info at derbrill.de
>            malte at awesomemegamightygames.com
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue Aug 18 09:13:07 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:13:07 +0300
Subject: [OT] Re-introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10908180548x5d458356nebb28c89af01f22c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090817130433.C57E148AFAA@mail.runrev.com>	<18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
	<7c87a2a10908180548x5d458356nebb28c89af01f22c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A8AA8E3.5020303@ekoinf.net>

Congratulations, Malte, and best wishes to the family, all the best!!!
Viktoras



From tereza at califex.com  Tue Aug 18 09:44:03 2009
From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:44:03 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re-introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
References: <20090817130433.C57E148AFAA@mail.runrev.com>
	<18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <C5DC0F8F-CF7C-42F5-BFDE-D548C3C55698@califex.com>


On Aug 18, 2009, at 7:08 AM, Malte Pfaff-Brill wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> just to let you know (and to avoid any confusion, once you stumble  
> upon the new name). I got married last friday. From now on you will  
> see me signing with
>
> " Malte Pfaff-Brill "
>


Wonderful! Congratulations! best wishes for the future!

t


-- 

. . .. ... ..... ACT AGAINST ENTROPY! ..... ... .. . .



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Aug 18 10:51:15 2009
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 07:51:15 -0700
Subject: [OT] Re-introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
References: <20090817130433.C57E148AFAA@mail.runrev.com>
	<18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <5AECFD384DEA4A82A86563B1A7FE6C20@GATEWAY>

> just to let you know (and to avoid any confusion, once you 
> stumble upon the new name). I got married last friday. From 
> now on you will see me signing with
> 
> " Malte Pfaff-Brill "
> 
> same person though. Nothing much changes. Just that my name 
> resembles those of my kids now. <g>

Congratulations Malte! :-)

Okay, Ill ask the questions everyone else is dying to ask:

1. Did you wear white?
2. Does she make enough to support your programming habits?
3. What did she say when you told her you would "write your vows in
Revolution"?

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Aug 18 11:29:52 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 08:29:52 -0700
Subject: [OT] Re-introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
References: <20090817130433.C57E148AFAA@mail.runrev.com>
	<18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <15753309343.20090818082952@ahsoftware.net>

Malte-

Well, I'm upset you didn't invite us all to the wedding, but I'm sure
you're planning the reception gala in Edinburgh.
Congratulations!

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 13:16:28 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:16:28 +0300
Subject: What IS revMedia 4B ?
Message-ID: <4A8AE1EC.2050405@gmail.com>

Waiting for revMedia to crunch through a few things
(using 48% of my 2 processors !!!) I tried to find out
a few things and got this:

"AppDescription key missing in Info.plist"

Funny? Or is it "just me" ?


From irog at mac.com  Tue Aug 18 13:30:17 2009
From: irog at mac.com (Roger Guay)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:30:17 -0700
Subject: Use Of The Scroll Ball On The Mighty Mouse
In-Reply-To: <20090818170005.1F8BE48AA79@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090818170005.1F8BE48AA79@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C7EC03FD-814E-499D-9213-5379AD09FA11@mac.com>

Thanks, Scott. That's what I wanted but just failed to find it on my  
own. What a great list!!

Cheers,
Roger


On Aug 18, 2009, at 10:00 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Recently, Roger Guay wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a way to the use the scroll ball feature of the
>> Apple Mighty Mouse and scroll wheels on other mouses (mice?) in  
>> RevTalk?
>
> Not sure about the Mighty Mouse but I think you want to trap the  
> rawKeyDown
> message, yes?
>
> 65309 = scroll up (decrease scroll)
> 65038 = scroll down (increase scroll)
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Tue Aug 18 13:59:10 2009
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:59:10 -0400
Subject: Putting Stuff Before the Message Box
In-Reply-To: <636F48E3-B55E-4578-94AD-9175149E02A7@videotron.ca>
References: <636F48E3-B55E-4578-94AD-9175149E02A7@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <9B9FDC8E-8F9E-421C-9679-489A90C0F5E3@gmail.com>

I think this is a bug in the way the messagebox is implemented. The  
messagebox is a very tricky thing -- lots going on behind the curtain,  
re handling things like "this stack," the message path, etc. It  
appears that they made it easy to put things "after msg" but not  
"before msg." Others may know more about the details of this.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Aug 17, 2009, at 1:02 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Hello again,
>
> I apologize in advance.  Maybe it's the meds.  I created a list with  
> three lines:
>
> 	put "One" & return & "Two" & return & "Three" into theList
>
> I want to have the message box display
>
> 3
> One
> Two
> Three
>
>
> Why does
>
> 	put theList
> 	put the number of lines in theList & return before msg
>
> put only 3 into the message box and not the list itself?
>
> But
>
>   put the number of lines in theList
>   put return & theList after msg
>
> works fine.
>
> Can the message box not handle before?
>
>
> 	Gregory
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Tue Aug 18 17:51:48 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:51:48 +0200
Subject: [OT] Re-introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <20090818170005.7595448AAF6@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090818170005.7595448AAF6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D017145E-EA4B-4C16-A968-6BA03354F7E1@derbrill.de>

Thank you all!

Lynn: 1) Been living in sin too long to marry in white. 2) No.  
*bohoohoo* 3) Message execution error: Error description: Handler:  
can't find handler

Mark: Don?t be too disappointed. I told y'all before my parents. <g>

Cheers,

Malte

From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Aug 18 18:09:25 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 15:09:25 -0700
Subject: [ann] Dictionary Plugin for Third Party Developers
In-Reply-To: <995045A0-8615-476C-8DE4-DEA54EAA3690@wehostmacs.com>
References: <995045A0-8615-476C-8DE4-DEA54EAA3690@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <4277284046.20090818150925@ahsoftware.net>

Sean-

Thanks! This looks great! Now I'm looking forward to cobbling together
some html docs for my libraries...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Aug 18 18:35:18 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:35:18 EDT
Subject: Putting Stuff Before the Message Box
Message-ID: <c82.4d7793b4.37bc86a6@aol.com>

Peter.

I ran into this during my learning, and unlearning, of rev, coming from HC.

Try these two short scripts, perhaps in a button;

on mouseUp
    select before text of fld "message field" of stack   "message box"
end mouseUp

on mouseUp
    put "select before text of fld" && quote & "message field" & quote && 
"of stack" && quote & "message box" & quote into temp
    send temp to this stack in 15
end mouseUp

The first one selects before msg, as long as there is no selection in msg. 
Otherwise it selects the whole line.

The second works always.

It is just the way Rev works. I have modified my msg box, carefully, to 
make it work more like HC. I have been warned this is a dicey thing to do.

Craig Newman


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Tue Aug 18 18:47:59 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:47:59 -0400
Subject: [ann] Dictionary Plugin for Third Party Developers
Message-ID: <4A7EF815-DC04-488C-AF1C-1C17FB3C94E7@wehostmacs.com>

Hopefully the included files are enough to get you going (writing docs  
is not my strong point ;-)


I had posed the following questions to the few people who were  
supposed to be testing and will ask everyone on the list now that it  
has gone public..

If I override the User Comments section would that be useful to you as  
a developer?

If I were to offer database hosting for the User Comments would a  
small fee (12 USD a year) be worth it to you (as a developer)?

If you already have database hosting support would hosting your own  
User Comments be something that you (as a developer) be something  
useful to you?


-Sean


From DunbarX at aol.com  Tue Aug 18 18:55:28 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 18:55:28 EDT
Subject: Putting Stuff Before the Message Box
Message-ID: <bcb.5705a60c.37bc8b60@aol.com>

Peter.
Since you seem to be into msg stuff, here is another of my changes to the 
msg box.

Make a field yourField with some text in it. If you write in the message 
box something like:

select word 2 of field yourField

The text hilite will not persist.   I hated that, and with a little help 
from my friends, found that if you comment out a bit of code in the message 
box, you can have what I consider normal behavior, that is, that the command 
to "select text" in a field does, in fact, select that text.

Starting at line 442 (in v.3.0) or line 375 (in v. 3.5) in the script of 
fld "Message Field" of stack "message box", comment out the following code:

if the mode of stack kStackName is not 0 and "edit script of" is not in the 
text of me then 
   select the text of field "Message Field" of stack kStackName
end if

Now the hilite will persist in the target field. like the good Lord 
intended.

Craig Newman


From david_beck at ministryschedulerpro.com  Tue Aug 18 19:08:03 2009
From: david_beck at ministryschedulerpro.com (David Beck)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:08:03 -0700
Subject: [ANN] SQL Yoga: A Flexible Database Library for Revolution
In-Reply-To: <20090817170005.5869348B3CA@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090817170005.5869348B3CA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4A8B3453.2080600@ministryschedulerpro.com>

Sounds like a very useful resource! Also I have been hearing awesome things about
Trevor's recent webinars from in-the-know people. See you tomorrow AM!

David
--
www.ministryschedulerpro.com

Trevor DeVore wrote:

> In September Blue Mango Learning Systems will be releasing a database  
> library that will change how you work with databases in Revolution.  
> Join us Wednesday for a webinar where we will introduce SQL Yoga and  
> announce the public beta leading up to release.



From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 18 19:19:57 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:19:57 -0700
Subject: Get files within dmg folder?
In-Reply-To: <20090712170004.5B17E48A8C8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090712170004.5B17E48A8C8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BE458A1B-20D8-4D2E-8B8B-837B63432DC8@sbcglobal.net>

Is there a way for RR to access files within a DMG folder?

put the files ...

...doesn't do it.

Jim Hulrey



From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Tue Aug 18 19:41:05 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 16:41:05 -0700
Subject: Small free dictionary
In-Reply-To: <20090817130433.5378D48AE80@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090817130433.5378D48AE80@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <14709C01-92DF-4D40-9787-8B47A489DD0D@sbcglobal.net>

The spell checking webinar reminded me of a problem I had with RR and  
word games.

The dictionary I found on the web was 120,000 words and was too big.  
Not because it was too big a file or too slow but because it had words  
that most people never heard of. For example, the anagram words for  
"wen" were "new" of course, but also "wen" which according to the  
dictionary means:

1. Pathology. a benign encysted tumor of the skin, esp. on the scalp,  
containing sebaceous matter; a sebaceous cyst.
2. British. a large, crowded city or a crowded urban district:London  
is the great wen of England.

I noticed in the webinar that the dictionary used there is only 60,000  
words, probably a better size for my needs.

Anybody know if there is a "free" dictionary of that size available  
for download?

Jim Hurley


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Aug 18 20:06:31 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 02:06:31 +0200
Subject: Small free dictionary
In-Reply-To: <14709C01-92DF-4D40-9787-8B47A489DD0D@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20090817130433.5378D48AE80@mail.runrev.com>
	<14709C01-92DF-4D40-9787-8B47A489DD0D@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <8B9AFF61-78AD-450F-8AC1-5FAAC5EBA493@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jim,

On Mac OS X and Linux, you will find a dictionary in /usr/share/dict/ 
words.

You should be able to find dictionaries on the 'net, using your  
favorite search engine.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 19 aug 2009, at 01:41, James Hurley wrote:

> The spell checking webinar reminded me of a problem I had with RR  
> and word games.
>
> The dictionary I found on the web was 120,000 words and was too big.  
> Not because it was too big a file or too slow but because it had  
> words that most people never heard of. For example, the anagram  
> words for "wen" were "new" of course, but also "wen" which according  
> to the dictionary means:
>
> 1. Pathology. a benign encysted tumor of the skin, esp. on the  
> scalp, containing sebaceous matter; a sebaceous cyst.
> 2. British. a large, crowded city or a crowded urban district:London  
> is the great wen of England.
>
> I noticed in the webinar that the dictionary used there is only  
> 60,000 words, probably a better size for my needs.
>
> Anybody know if there is a "free" dictionary of that size available  
> for download?
>
> Jim Hurley




From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Tue Aug 18 21:11:42 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:11:42 -0400
Subject: Putting Stuff Before the Message Box
Message-ID: <9BA9E8BB-98D8-42AE-BDE7-353AAE9ABAE0@wehostmacs.com>

put WHATEVER before fld "results" of stack "message box"


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Tue Aug 18 21:21:02 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:21:02 -0400
Subject: Get files within dmg folder?
Message-ID: <342F8768-A7FA-4514-A522-71D248AF0367@wehostmacs.com>

A disk image (DMG) is actually a file not a folder.. If you have it  
mounted than you can access the contents via the "/Volumes/" path..  
The following link will give you information working with disk images  
with the command line "hdiutil"

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/Manpages/man1/hdiutil.1.html


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 18 23:05:37 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:05:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

Recently, someone asked me a script
to divide words in syllabes.

I know, for certain, that this kind of task
is especially suited for a language like revtalk,
but honestly, i dont know how to begin.

Should use a dictionary of common words
(like: origin=o ri gin) and use search and
replace to convert words in their syllabes
or
Should use conditional structures, like switch
and if...then...else to test for syllabic division
rules in each word...?

Your advice is welcome!

Thanks in advance

alejandro 
-- 
View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Syllabic-division-of-words-tp25037099p25037099.html
Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug 18 23:11:38 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:11:38 -0700
Subject: ANN: Economy-x-Talk releases the word game TwistAWord
Message-ID: <4A8B6D6A.20506@fourthworld.com>

Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Economy-x-Talk has released a brand new game called TwistAWord. Goal  
> of the game is to create sentences from jumbled words, which form a  
> saying or expression. While this game is just fun to play, it also  
> helps you improve your language skills in eight different languages.
> 
> TwistAWord is available for Windows and Mac OS X and can be downloaded  
> at <http://www.twistaword.net>. Unregistered copies quit every 10  
> minutes, but you can always start the game again. A registration code  
> can be purchased for ? 14.95.
> 
> Even though we are releasing TwistAWord today, we still appreciate  
> your bug reports. The first 5 useful bug reports are rewarded with a  
> free license. Visit <http://www.twistaword.net/test.php> for more info.
> 
> TwistAWord was made with Runtime Revolution.

Congrats, Mark.  Fun game, very attractively done.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Aug 18 23:22:06 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:22:06 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <4A8B6FDE.6050500@fourthworld.com>

capellan wrote:
> Recently, someone asked me a script
> to divide words in syllabes.
> 
> I know, for certain, that this kind of task
> is especially suited for a language like revtalk,
> but honestly, i dont know how to begin.
> 
> Should use a dictionary of common words
> (like: origin=o ri gin) and use search and
> replace to convert words in their syllabes
> or
> Should use conditional structures, like switch
> and if...then...else to test for syllabic division
> rules in each word...?

Many years ago I wrote a Gunning Fog Index calculator in Rev, but alas 
it must be on one of my old drives.  If I can turn it up I'll pass it to 
you; to calculate the Fog Index it needed to count syllables.

In the meantime this may help:
<http://www.phonicsontheweb.com/syllables.php>

If you don't mind my asking, what's this for?  I love language analysis 
gadgets. :)

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 19 00:41:19 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 21:41:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <4A8B6FDE.6050500@fourthworld.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A8B6FDE.6050500@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <25037708.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Richard,

Many thanks for the link.
This information is really important.

About the use for this syllabic divisor, surely 
is for some kind of analitic lenguage task.

Have you noticed that common words are
always shorter than specialised vocabulary?

Thanks again for your help!

alejandro

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From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Wed Aug 19 02:31:40 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:31:40 -0700
Subject: Get files within dmg folder?
In-Reply-To: <20090712170004.5B17E48A8C8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090712170004.5B17E48A8C8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E7B0E2C2-39B7-439B-B2F7-4B2BC7A41239@sbcglobal.net>

> Is there a way for RR to access files within a DMG folder?
>
> put the files ...
>
> ...doesn't do it.
>
> Jim Hulrey

My mistake. "Put the files" does indeed produce the files within a  
disk image. I had set the wrong default folder.

Jim Hurley




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed Aug 19 05:09:38 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:09:38 +0300
Subject: [OT] iPhone development
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908142057l35527e81xd8bbd99cc5923f1c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AC44C25D-DCCC-4C98-B223-2740DCD9A875@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860908142057l35527e81xd8bbd99cc5923f1c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A8BC152.7050700@ekoinf.net>

Sarah,

I am interested, could you please post a list of these books and resources.

Best wishes,
Viktoras

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> ...
> As regards who can program for the iPhone, I can recommend a couple of
> books for anyone interested in learning. While it is still C,
> Objective-C is about as nice as C can get and once you get used to how
> things are done, it isn't that difficult. Apple has lot of example
> projects too.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 05:24:57 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:24:57 +1000
Subject: [OT] iPhone development
In-Reply-To: <4A8BC152.7050700@ekoinf.net>
References: <AC44C25D-DCCC-4C98-B223-2740DCD9A875@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860908142057l35527e81xd8bbd99cc5923f1c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A8BC152.7050700@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908190224o138b588du595df163a82aac3@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:09 PM, viktoras d.<viktoras at ekoinf.net> wrote:
> Sarah,
>
> I am interested, could you please post a list of these books and resources.


I recommend this series of three books. Choose your starting position
based on your current knowledge.

If you don't know any C programming: Learn C on the Mac
<http://www.apress.com/book/view/9781430218098>
If you know some C, but no Objective-C: Learn Objective-C on the Mac
<http://www.apress.com/book/view/1430218150?>
Then for the iPhone: Beginning iPhone 3 Development
<http://www.apress.com/book/view/9781430224594>

I worked backwards, starting with the iPhone book, then realising that
while I could follow the examples, I didn't understand it all.
I had learnt C a long time ago, so the "Learn C on the Mac" book was a
good refresher. Don't worry too much about the chapters 9, 10 & 11 as
they are largely superseded by Objective-C. The Objective-C book was
extremely helpful and then I was able to go back to the iPhone book
and really get it.

Note: the iPhone book has just been updated for iPhone OS 3.

Hope this is useful.

Cheers,
Sarah


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed Aug 19 06:20:16 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:20:16 +0300
Subject: [OT] iPhone development
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908190224o138b588du595df163a82aac3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AC44C25D-DCCC-4C98-B223-2740DCD9A875@ezpzapps.com>	<f99b52860908142057l35527e81xd8bbd99cc5923f1c@mail.gmail.com>	<4A8BC152.7050700@ekoinf.net>
	<f99b52860908190224o138b588du595df163a82aac3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A8BD1E0.9080806@ekoinf.net>

Thanks a lot, Sarah!

Sarah Reichelt wrote:


From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Aug 19 09:05:24 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:05:24 EDT
Subject: You cannot put stuff before the Message Box
Message-ID: <c00.62d472b9.37bd5294@aol.com>

The thing here is that if there is already a selection in the message box, 
a blinking cursor or hillited text, you cannot select before (or after) 
either the "results" field or the "message" field. It only works if there is no 
selection at all. 

Trying to do so selects all the text in the "message" field, even if you 
explicitly name the "results" field. This is written into the IDE. Some people 
find this counterintuitive. I'll bet you do too.

It can be unwritten; see my last two posts.

Craig Newman


In a message dated 8/18/09 9:12:06 PM, shaosean at wehostmacs.com writes:


> put WHATEVER before fld "results" of stack "message box"
> 



From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Aug 19 09:09:38 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:09:38 EDT
Subject: You cannot put stuff before the Message Box
Message-ID: <cf9.5fd97f8f.37bd5392@aol.com>

The title seemed cute, but misleading. This thread is not about putting 
text before (or after) the msg box, it is about selecting in the message   box.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Aug 19 09:10:10 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:10:10 +0200
Subject: You cannot put stuff before the Message Box
In-Reply-To: <c00.62d472b9.37bd5294@aol.com>
References: <c00.62d472b9.37bd5294@aol.com>
Message-ID: <07F9F97D-01CC-48D4-B406-5839FFAE9C9F@economy-x-talk.com>

Craig,

on mouseUp
      repeat with x = 1 to 10
           put x & cr & msg
      end repeat
end mouseUp

Btw I have always considered the results in the message box as  
something uneditable and have no problems with that.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 19 aug 2009, at 15:05, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> The thing here is that if there is already a selection in the  
> message box,
> a blinking cursor or hillited text, you cannot select before (or  
> after)
> either the "results" field or the "message" field. It only works if  
> there is no
> selection at all.
>
> Trying to do so selects all the text in the "message" field, even if  
> you
> explicitly name the "results" field. This is written into the IDE.  
> Some people
> find this counterintuitive. I'll bet you do too.
>
> It can be unwritten; see my last two posts.
>
> Craig Newman
>
>
> In a message dated 8/18/09 9:12:06 PM, shaosean at wehostmacs.com writes:
>
>
>> put WHATEVER before fld "results" of stack "message box"
>>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Aug 19 09:11:36 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:11:36 +0200
Subject: You cannot put stuff before the Message Box
In-Reply-To: <cf9.5fd97f8f.37bd5392@aol.com>
References: <cf9.5fd97f8f.37bd5392@aol.com>
Message-ID: <83E1288E-5D51-487A-B507-C89E023217CD@economy-x-talk.com>

oh... :-) Forget about my previous post then.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 19 aug 2009, at 15:09, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> The title seemed cute, but misleading. This thread is not about  
> putting
> text before (or after) the msg box, it is about selecting in the  
> message   box.




From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Aug 19 09:11:56 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:11:56 EDT
Subject: You cannot put stuff before the Message Box
Message-ID: <cee.6139fcc7.37bd541c@aol.com>

Mark.

Right, it is not about putting text, it is about selecting.

Craig


From jp.poccard at neuf.fr  Wed Aug 19 09:26:50 2009
From: jp.poccard at neuf.fr (Jean-Paul Poccard)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:26:50 +0200
Subject: Rep : revlet and path
Message-ID: <4A8BFD9A.2060107@neuf.fr>


Tereza snyder wrote on august 06 :
>
> "I routinely store application resources in a folder, 'resources', 
> next to my apps that contain all kinds of stuff. I compute paths at 
> startup depending on the effective filename.  Do I have to change my 
> architecture ?"


My problem is te same, and as I a not among the happy few who use 
Enterprise, I cannot yet test but I wonder wether the url of the app on 
the net can be found from inside the revlet.
I tried to find the url on mac with Safari, and I suppose all browsers 
store the files they download according to the same rules.

The file stored by the  browser contains the url whic it has been 
downloaded from.  With this URL it should be possible to find the nime 
of the folder containing the file and then build the urls of the 
"resources".

The first line of the files can be read from the message box with this 
little handler :

  answer file "choose a file"
   put it into tfile
   open file tfile for binary read
   read from file tfile at 1 until cr
   answer it
   close file tfile


 From the files I looked at, it seems that :


--> When the ascii code of char 14  is 94 (decimal) then " Full Page 
TextName" appears among the 34  first characters, and the ascii code of 
the thirty fith character gives the length of the url. The url begins at 
the thirty-sixth character.

--> When  the ascii code of char 14 is  95 (decimal)  then the ascii 
code of the fifteenth  character gives the length of the url and the url 
begins at the sixteenth character.


This does not allow to write a neat and handsome handler, and it is 
surely too simple.  I don't know what happens if the url is very long.  
Any help will be appreciated.
Do anyone know exactly how the header of the file is built , especially 
when it is a revlet ?
Can I hope to fetch my own "resources" on the server when I will put on 
it my app and its quicktime movies ?

Cordialement

Jean-Paul Poccard.




From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 11:43:51 2009
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 08:43:51 -0700
Subject: Radio buttons that don't look like radio buttons
In-Reply-To: <5810DD12-4465-4435-B373-BB334CE32A9D@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
References: <20090817235137.3B5B048B44A@mail.runrev.com>
	<5810DD12-4465-4435-B373-BB334CE32A9D@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260908190843r57dec172pa8aec37c4b5002cd@mail.gmail.com>

I think if you just set the icon and the hilite icon of the radio buttons to
graphics of different colors, it will do what you want.

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 7:13 PM, David Glasgow <
david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Revolutionaries,
>
> I have several cards containing many radio buttons, and want to have a
> summary screen which consists of an array of colour indicators reflecting
> the status of the scattered radio buttons.  I remembered that many years ago
> I made some radio buttons that didn't look like radio buttons (they were
> intended to function and look a bit like the pop up - down mechanical
> buttons on old cassette recorders). So I set out the summary card with radio
> buttons which are set and reset by user actions on corresponding groups on
> the relevant card.  That works fine.  A brief script built around
>
> set the hilitedbutton of  SummaryGroupOnCard1  to the hilitedbutton of the
> owner of the target
>
> does the trick.
>
> However, the summary display can't look like radio buttons in the final
> product, because users will quite reasonably expect to be able to click on
> them.  I planned to change the properties of the summary buttons after I had
> finished laying out and scripting the cards the users will actually interact
> with.
>
> When the time came, I started to set and tweak properties and colours of
> the buttons on the summary card, but couldn't get the simple plain colour
> patch which switches on or off mutually exclusively with its fellow group
> members.
>
> After maybe an hour of futile clicking, I set out to find the buttons I
> made years ago, and to my amazement succeeded.  However, I *still* can't
> find out how I made the radio buttons not have the little radio button blob
> in the middle.  There is no scripting involved, and no icons.   They do have
> hilited text and fill colours that match - if they don't, a little dot
> appears when selected, like old Win radio buttons (I am on OS X).
> Selection is only indicated by a change in the border.  However, even though
> I have matched as many properties and colours as I can find, my new radio
> buttons insist on having the radio button blob.
>
> I know I could just copy the little group I have, and use them, but this is
> really bugging me.  Was I quite clever years ago, or am I being quite dumb
> now?
>
> David Glasgow
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Aug 19 12:00:14 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:00:14 -0700
Subject: Rep : revlet and path
Message-ID: <4A8C218E.6070800@fourthworld.com>

Jean-Paul Poccard wrote:
> My problem is te same, and as I a not among the happy few who use 
> Enterprise, I cannot yet test but I wonder wether the url of the app on 
> the net can be found from inside the revlet.

The URL to the revlet is where you put it.  It would be nice to have a 
way to obtain this within the revlet programatically, and I'm sure 
that'll be added at some point if it's not there already, but in the 
meantime you have complete control over the URL since it's determined by 
where you put your revlet.

To generalize a solution that would require only minimal modification 
when such a function is later added to the engine, you could put the URL 
of your revlet into a custom property of the revlet stack, and access it 
with a function:

function RevletURL
   return the uRevletURL of this stack
end RevletURL

Using a fuction to access that means that if/when we get a way to obtain 
that URL programatically down the road, you only need to change that one 
function and all your scripts that use it will just keep working.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Wed Aug 19 12:08:00 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:08:00 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <25037708.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A8B6FDE.6050500@fourthworld.com>
	<25037708.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BAF91D90-345A-43EB-9076-69022415F77B@cruzio.com>

That's because most common words in English are native English words  
with Germanic roots.  Short, to the point, guts v. intestines.  Most  
specialized vocabulary comes from Greek or Latin roots (French, etc.)

I think I recall reading somewhere that only 15% of English words are  
of English origen, but 90% of spoken English consists of that original  
15%.  Robert Claiborne  wrote a wonderful book called Our Marvelous  
Native Tongue.  An excellent read.  That statistic might come from  
there (I can't vouch whether the percentages are exact, but you get  
the point).

http://www.amazon.com/Our-Marvelous-Native-Tongue-Language/dp/0812910389/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1250697845&sr=8-1

Mark


On Aug 18, 2009, at 9:41 PM, capellan wrote:

>
>
>
> Have you noticed that common words are
> always shorter than specialised vocabulary?



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Aug 19 12:16:16 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:16:16 -0500
Subject: Rep : revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <4A8BFD9A.2060107@neuf.fr>
References: <4A8BFD9A.2060107@neuf.fr>
Message-ID: <4A8C2550.3000605@hyperactivesw.com>

Jean-Paul Poccard wrote:
> 
> Tereza snyder wrote on august 06 :
>>
>> "I routinely store application resources in a folder, 'resources', 
>> next to my apps that contain all kinds of stuff. I compute paths at 
>> startup depending on the effective filename.  Do I have to change my 
>> architecture ?"
> 
> 
> My problem is te same, and as I a not among the happy few who use 
> Enterprise, I cannot yet test but I wonder wether the url of the app on 
> the net can be found from inside the revlet.

There's a workaround for now. You can add your own parameters to the 
javascript on your web page. These will be returned in "the revletParams 
of this stack" as one of the array elements. So you could create a 
parameter called "path" and put the URL to the revlet in there, then 
read that back in your revlet stack.

It does require customizing the html for every server though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Aug 19 12:39:53 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:39:53 -0500
Subject: Rep : revlet and path
In-Reply-To: <4A8C2550.3000605@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A8BFD9A.2060107@neuf.fr> <4A8C2550.3000605@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A8C2AD9.5030001@hyperactivesw.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Jean-Paul Poccard wrote:
>>
>> Tereza snyder wrote on august 06 :
>>>
>>> "I routinely store application resources in a folder, 'resources', 
>>> next to my apps that contain all kinds of stuff. I compute paths at 
>>> startup depending on the effective filename.  Do I have to change my 
>>> architecture ?"
>>
>>
>> My problem is te same, and as I a not among the happy few who use 
>> Enterprise, I cannot yet test but I wonder wether the url of the app 
>> on the net can be found from inside the revlet.
> 
> There's a workaround for now. You can add your own parameters to the 
> javascript on your web page. These will be returned in "the revletParams 
> of this stack" as one of the array elements. So you could create a 
> parameter called "path" and put the URL to the revlet in there, then 
> read that back in your revlet stack.
> 
> It does require customizing the html for every server though.
> 

I shouldn't have said javascript; the parameter goes into the "embed" 
block, which isn't javascript. Sorry. There is also an unused parameter 
there already, called "requestedname", which could be used. I just 
tested it and it works.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 13:19:11 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:19:11 +0300
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <BAF91D90-345A-43EB-9076-69022415F77B@cruzio.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A8B6FDE.6050500@fourthworld.com>	<25037708.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BAF91D90-345A-43EB-9076-69022415F77B@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <4A8C340F.5080408@gmail.com>

Maybe this is a bit disingenuous, but, surely
to chop words up into syllables all one has to do
is find the vowels and then chop?

Doesn't sound all that complicated.


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Wed Aug 19 13:26:49 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:26:49 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <4A8C340F.5080408@gmail.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A8B6FDE.6050500@fourthworld.com>	<25037708.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BAF91D90-345A-43EB-9076-69022415F77B@cruzio.com>
	<4A8C340F.5080408@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6C8F57FE-330C-44FD-AD54-631AAAB81174@cruzio.com>

That could be di-sa-ste-ro-us.

On Aug 19, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Maybe this is a bit disingenuous, but, surely
> to chop words up into syllables all one has to do
> is find the vowels and then chop?
>
> Doesn't sound all that complicated.
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From bvg at mac.com  Wed Aug 19 13:29:10 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:29:10 +0200
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <6C8F57FE-330C-44FD-AD54-631AAAB81174@cruzio.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A8B6FDE.6050500@fourthworld.com>
	<25037708.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BAF91D90-345A-43EB-9076-69022415F77B@cruzio.com>
	<4A8C340F.5080408@gmail.com>
	<6C8F57FE-330C-44FD-AD54-631AAAB81174@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <4EDADBA9-B7CA-47B7-863E-0700FCD28017@mac.com>

you mean: di-sa-ste-ro-u-s

:P


On 19 Aug 2009, at 19:26, Mark Swindell wrote:

> That could be di-sa-ste-ro-us.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 13:36:21 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:36:21 +0300
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <6C8F57FE-330C-44FD-AD54-631AAAB81174@cruzio.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com>	<4A8B6FDE.6050500@fourthworld.com>	<25037708.post@talk.nabble.com>	<BAF91D90-345A-43EB-9076-69022415F77B@cruzio.com>	<4A8C340F.5080408@gmail.com>
	<6C8F57FE-330C-44FD-AD54-631AAAB81174@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <4A8C3815.40302@gmail.com>

Mark Swindell wrote:
> That could be di-sa-ste-ro-us.
>
> On Aug 19, 2009, at 10:19 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> Maybe this is a bit disingenuous, but, surely
>> to chop words up into syllables all one has to do
>> is find the vowels and then chop?
>>
>> Doesn't sound all that complicated.
>> _______________________________________________ 
Ye -s yo-u are right: just tried it: AFTER shouting my mouth off!


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 13:37:39 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:37:39 +0300
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <6C8F57FE-330C-44FD-AD54-631AAAB81174@cruzio.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com>	<4A8B6FDE.6050500@fourthworld.com>	<25037708.post@talk.nabble.com>	<BAF91D90-345A-43EB-9076-69022415F77B@cruzio.com>	<4A8C340F.5080408@gmail.com>
	<6C8F57FE-330C-44FD-AD54-631AAAB81174@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <4A8C3863.9060605@gmail.com>

ERR . . . there is a lot of stuff about on the net
about Natural Language Parsing . . .



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Aug 19 13:53:26 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:53:26 -0600
Subject: [OT] iPhone development
In-Reply-To: <4A8BC152.7050700@ekoinf.net>
References: <AC44C25D-DCCC-4C98-B223-2740DCD9A875@ezpzapps.com>
	<f99b52860908142057l35527e81xd8bbd99cc5923f1c@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A8BC152.7050700@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <4E09BFF4-1E2D-4A05-B657-694A1DB9D3C9@byu.edu>


On Aug 19, 2009, at 3:09 AM, viktoras d. wrote:

> Sarah,
>
> I am interested, could you please post a list of these books and  
> resources.
>
> Best wishes,
> Viktoras
>
> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> ...
>> As regards who can program for the iPhone, I can recommend a couple  
>> of
>> books for anyone interested in learning. While it is still C,
>> Objective-C is about as nice as C can get and once you get used to  
>> how
>> things are done, it isn't that difficult. Apple has lot of example
>> projects too.

A professor in our Computer Science department, who teaches iPhone  
development, recommends:

iPhone SDK Development by Bill Dudney and Chris Adamson
http://www.pragprog.com/titles/amiphd/iphone-sdk-development

It can be purchased as a PDF and downloaded.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Aug 19 14:24:43 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 20:24:43 +0200
Subject: [OT] iPhone development
In-Reply-To: <20090819170005.14F8648AFBA@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090819170005.14F8648AFBA@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BC1062D3-D7EF-42B0-B2B2-ABB55820E61C@derbrill.de>

Stanford university has made their lectures on iPhone dev. available  
through iTunes U.

http://www.stanford.edu/class/cs193p/cgi-bin/index.php

I found the courses very interesting.

Cheers,

Malte


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed Aug 19 15:19:39 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:19:39 +0300
Subject: [OT] iPhone development
In-Reply-To: <BC1062D3-D7EF-42B0-B2B2-ABB55820E61C@derbrill.de>
References: <20090819170005.14F8648AFBA@mail.runrev.com>
	<BC1062D3-D7EF-42B0-B2B2-ABB55820E61C@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <4A8C504B.7080909@ekoinf.net>

Thanks Devin, Malte,

btw. here is an interesting article on many roles apps for iPhone are 
taking in people's lives:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20327220.200-appland-how-smartphones-are-transforming-our-lives.html?full=true

Sorry for possible cross-posting
Viktoras


From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Wed Aug 19 16:18:10 2009
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 16:18:10 -0400
Subject: What does "menu" do in the decorations property
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908111635o2d7d9d29x9cedc9bd041abf6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>
	<f99b52860908111635o2d7d9d29x9cedc9bd041abf6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EA4B4685-F028-4FDB-AA45-4EB3E65F9ECB@buffalo.edu>

According to the documentation

Use the menu keyword to give a window a menu bar (on Unix and Windows  
systems).

I can't see that "menu" does anything in this context. Can anyone tell  
me what I'm missing?

Thanks,
Tim Bleiler



From bvg at mac.com  Wed Aug 19 16:53:33 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:53:33 +0200
Subject: What does "menu" do in the decorations property
In-Reply-To: <EA4B4685-F028-4FDB-AA45-4EB3E65F9ECB@buffalo.edu>
References: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>
	<f99b52860908111635o2d7d9d29x9cedc9bd041abf6@mail.gmail.com>
	<EA4B4685-F028-4FDB-AA45-4EB3E65F9ECB@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <8A18A459-F517-4A05-8EDA-B42AB9390046@mac.com>

set the decorations to menu


check out the menu keywords (and of course the decorations properties)  
entry in the dictionary, it's very long ;)


Bjoernke

On 19 Aug 2009, at 22:18, Timothy Bleiler wrote:

> According to the documentation
>
> Use the menu keyword to give a window a menu bar (on Unix and  
> Windows systems).
>
> I can't see that "menu" does anything in this context. Can anyone  
> tell me what I'm missing?



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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Aug 19 17:23:23 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:23:23 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <6C8F57FE-330C-44FD-AD54-631AAAB81174@cruzio.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A8B6FDE.6050500@fourthworld.com>
	<25037708.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BAF91D90-345A-43EB-9076-69022415F77B@cruzio.com>
	<4A8C340F.5080408@gmail.com>
	<6C8F57FE-330C-44FD-AD54-631AAAB81174@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <22160921625.20090819142323@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 10:26:49 AM, you wrote:

> That could be di-sa-ste-ro-us.

Diphthongs still count as a single syllable vowel sound. Er, mostly.
As long as you don't count words like Hawaiian and hiatus... OK - so
you make a table of exceptions, and otherwise break at the last vowel
preceding a non-vowel char.

-- 
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 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Wed Aug 19 17:29:08 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:29:08 -0400
Subject: Putting Stuff Before the Message Box
In-Reply-To: <20090819170004.8284248AFB4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090819170004.8284248AFB4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DA98AF9A-0C44-477D-86DA-4D0957971531@videotron.ca>

Thanks for thoughtful responses Craig, Peter, and Shao,

So, it wasn't the meds.  As I mostly use the message box for dumping  
the results  of rough tests, it's good to know its idiosyncrasies so I  
don't mistakenly think I've goofed.

Regards,

	Gregory




From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 19 17:50:08 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:50:08 -0700
Subject: Putting Stuff Before the Message Box
In-Reply-To: <DA98AF9A-0C44-477D-86DA-4D0957971531@videotron.ca>
References: <20090819170004.8284248AFB4@mail.runrev.com>
	<DA98AF9A-0C44-477D-86DA-4D0957971531@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <368EE73B-46DB-41C0-8C24-382D9D99EDD0@yahoo.com>

Just chiming in at the end of the thread.

In the PHP environment on a web server there is a special memory area  
called "output buffer"

This has various maintenance functions built in to the PHP system,  
such as
   ob_start();    ob_flush();  ob_implicit();  ob_clean();

and these facilitate building the characters that get sent back to a  
browser, etc.
It is not a good idea to treat this as the normal PHP variable, such  
as $myDataString.

The message box stack is also a special area that began its life in  
Hypercard 1.0
Back then it was unchangeable.
Now that you can dive into the Rev library stack and modify scripts,  
please use caution because there are globals and settings that are  
interconnected between libraries.  You might find strange behaviors  
that cannot easily be traced.

It is cool that we can get under the hood and make such changes.
My preference is not to do this since Rev is how I make my living.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Thanks for thoughtful responses Craig, Peter, and Shao,
>
> So, it wasn't the meds.  As I mostly use the message box for dumping  
> the results  of rough tests, it's good to know its idiosyncrasies so  
> I don't mistakenly think I've goofed.
>
> Regards,
>
> 	Gregory
>
>
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug 19 18:21:22 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:21:22 +0000
Subject: setRegistry Dword -hex value?
Message-ID: <000382DD.4A8C96F7@the-office.us>

Hi,

i need to create a key in the registry and enter a hex value.

I tried it now in several ways, but always without success.

I use the following commands, which do not work. The value of Port 0 after that is 32463731 (hex) or 843462449 (decimal).


put "17f2" into tHex

put "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DameWare Development\NT Utilities\DNTU\DWRCC Settings\Connect To Client\Port 0" into tKey 

get setregistry(tKey2,tHex,"dword")
put it


Tried also 0x000017f2. But then i got "invalid dword-value (32-bit))"  in the value field of Port 0.

Trying to put the decimal value 6130 into Port 0, shows a deciaml value of 808661302 in Port 0.

In all case it reports True.

What am i doing wrong?

Regards,

Matthias





From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Wed Aug 19 18:29:22 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:29:22 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <22160921625.20090819142323@ahsoftware.net>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A8B6FDE.6050500@fourthworld.com>
	<25037708.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BAF91D90-345A-43EB-9076-69022415F77B@cruzio.com>
	<4A8C340F.5080408@gmail.com>
	<6C8F57FE-330C-44FD-AD54-631AAAB81174@cruzio.com>
	<22160921625.20090819142323@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <8FA278C9-88D4-4B33-B87E-B8C48E7910F4@cruzio.com>

The rules of syllabication are more complex than one would think.   
Root words, prefixes, suffixes and quite a few other little things  
factor in.  The page Richard cited is good.

di-sas-trous, but re-string

cu-ri-ous

yel-low, but well-be-ing

I wonder if the thing to do would be to buy or acquire a software  
dictionary and  somehow strip out the keywords and their corresponding  
syllabication, and place them into a new table of one's own.

Mark


On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:23 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Mark-
>
> Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 10:26:49 AM, you wrote:
>
>> That could be di-sa-ste-ro-us.
>
> Diphthongs still count as a single syllable vowel sound. Er, mostly.
> As long as you don't count words like Hawaiian and hiatus... OK - so
> you make a table of exceptions, and otherwise break at the last vowel
> preceding a non-vowel char.
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Wed Aug 19 18:34:52 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 22:34:52 +0000
Subject: setRegistry Dword -hex value?
Message-ID: <000382DE.4A8C9A2A@the-office.us>



The script lines look like this

 put "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DameWare Development\NT Utilities\DNTU\DWRCC Settings\Connect To Client\Port0" into tKey2  
    get  setregistry(tKey2, tHex, "dword")
    put it

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: setRegistry Dword -hex value? (20-Aug-2009 0:25)
From:    runrev260805 at m-r-d.de
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> Hi,
> 
> i need to create a key in the registry and enter a hex value.
> 
> I tried it now in several ways, but always without success.
> 
> I use the following commands, which do not work. The value of Port 0 after 
> that is 32463731 (hex) or 843462449 (decimal).
> 
> 
> put "17f2" into tHex
> 
> put "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DameWare Development\NT Utilities\DNTU\
> DWRCC Settings\Connect To Client\Port 0" into tKey 
> 
> get setregistry(tKey2,tHex,"dword")
> put it
> 
> 
> Tried also 0x000017f2. But then i got "invalid dword-value (32-bit))"  in 
> the value field of Port 0.
> 
> Trying to put the decimal value 6130 into Port 0, shows a deciaml value of 
> 808661302 in Port 0.
> 
> In all case it reports True.
> 
> What am i doing wrong?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Aug 19 20:45:35 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:45:35 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <8FA278C9-88D4-4B33-B87E-B8C48E7910F4@cruzio.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A8B6FDE.6050500@fourthworld.com>
	<25037708.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<BAF91D90-345A-43EB-9076-69022415F77B@cruzio.com>
	<4A8C340F.5080408@gmail.com>
	<6C8F57FE-330C-44FD-AD54-631AAAB81174@cruzio.com>
	<22160921625.20090819142323@ahsoftware.net>
	<8FA278C9-88D4-4B33-B87E-B8C48E7910F4@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <75173053796.20090819174535@ahsoftware.net>

Mark-

Wednesday, August 19, 2009, 3:29:22 PM, you wrote:

Oops... I forgot that the original question was about dividing words
into syllables - I thought we were talking about counting syllables,
which is a much easier question to think about.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From katir at hindu.org  Wed Aug 19 23:59:17 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:59:17 -1000
Subject: OT: Educational Frameworks
Message-ID: <4A8CCA15.60307@hindu.org>

We are trying to look into educational frameworks to check on possible 
models for building our own system on the web. 

We have a professor who gave us access to her moodle site, but it's gear 
to first year university math courses.

We need to see models in use for K-12, where the interface is actually 
"usable" by the children themselves, if such a think exists.

But, in all our searches, we are blocked at every turn. There appears to 
be nothing "open"  you either have to be an instructor or a registered 
student with an enrollment ID to get in. This makes perfect sense from a 
security point of view, but it leaves anyone searching for such things 
completely shut out. We see hundreds of moodle sites and companies that 
support moodle users. But not a single "portal" that we can get into to 
look around for K-12 ideas.

If you know of any teachers/sites that might allow us to view the frame 
work (courses for kids, the syllabus, the modules in use, etc.) we would 
really appreciate it.

Please contact me off line with any access info/ideas you may have.

Thanks
Sivakatirswami





From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Thu Aug 20 04:02:46 2009
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:02:46 +0100
Subject: Radio buttons that don't look like radio buttons
In-Reply-To: <20090819170004.6A80A48AF54@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090819170004.6A80A48AF54@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <128FA367-4295-4473-AA02-FFEFAC3109FF@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>

Well, how about that.  Radio buttons can have icons.  Did I ever know  
that and forget, or did I just not even consider the possibility?  
Either way, as my kids say, "Well, D'uh".

This doesn't solve the mystery properties of my ancient buttons, but  
offers a much more elegant, eye pleasing and flexible solution.   
Thanks very much Howard

David Glasgow


On 19 Aug 2009, at 6:00 pm, Howard Bornstein wrote:

> I think if you just set the icon and the hilite icon of the radio  
> buttons to
> graphics of different colors, it will do what you want.
>
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Howard Bornstein




From SparkOutYNY at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 04:42:50 2009
From: SparkOutYNY at gmail.com (SparkOut)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 01:42:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Firefox works for revlet but not IE?
In-Reply-To: <4A89FF1B.8040409@castandcrew.com>
References: <4A89A79B.6020108@castandcrew.com>
	<4A89F947.3070807@castandcrew.com>
	<4A89FF1B.8040409@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <25058194.post@talk.nabble.com>



Sadhu Nadesan wrote:
> 
> Result:  same thing, whether installed as admin, or used as admin, IE 
> wants to re-download the plug in every time, so the revlet never runs, 
> while Firefox just works
>>
>>
>> 1) Am admin user on home PC, but not on work PC.  Yes, I can try that.  I
> _______________________________________________
> 
> 
A solution posted on the forum
http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=15753#15753 by paul_gr
worked for me.

Turn off UAC temporarily, right click the installer executable and choose
"run as administrator".
Turn UAC back on (if you want) and it should hopefully work - I had success
following that procedure.
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Aug 20 05:20:07 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:20:07 +0100
Subject: OT: Educational Frameworks
In-Reply-To: <4A8CCA15.60307@hindu.org>
References: <4A8CCA15.60307@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908200220t5ca22d7ev37f5a223f491b27@mail.gmail.com>

Aloha Swami,

http://www.sugarlabs.org/

The UI from OLPC is now spun-off (or whichever we conjugate buzzwords). You
can get it and run on your own virtual machine. Their wiki has design
guidelines and principles for creating eduware.

:D

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 4:59 AM, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> We are trying to look into educational frameworks to check on possible
> models for building our own system on the web.
> We have a professor who gave us access to her moodle site, but it's gear to
> first year university math courses.
>
> We need to see models in use for K-12, where the interface is actually
> "usable" by the children themselves, if such a think exists.
>
> But, in all our searches, we are blocked at every turn. There appears to be
> nothing "open"  you either have to be an instructor or a registered student
> with an enrollment ID to get in. This makes perfect sense from a security
> point of view, but it leaves anyone searching for such things completely
> shut out. We see hundreds of moodle sites and companies that support moodle
> users. But not a single "portal" that we can get into to look around for
> K-12 ideas.
>
> If you know of any teachers/sites that might allow us to view the frame
> work (courses for kids, the syllabus, the modules in use, etc.) we would
> really appreciate it.
>
> Please contact me off line with any access info/ideas you may have.
>
> Thanks
> Sivakatirswami
>
>
>
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From SparkOutYNY at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 06:07:03 2009
From: SparkOutYNY at gmail.com (SparkOut)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:07:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: setRegistry Dword -hex value?
In-Reply-To: <000382DE.4A8C9A2A@the-office.us>
References: <000382DD.4A8C96F7@the-office.us> <000382DE.4A8C9A2A@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <25059307.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Matthias, 
You've been doing some things, among which is trying to represent the DWORD
value as a string to be written. It will need to be binary converted as
integers, so you will need to do a bit of converting to get the value stored
and retrieved:

put "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DameWare Development\NT Utilities\DNTU\DWRCC
Settings\Connect To Client\Port0" into tKey2
   put "17F2" into tHex
   --or put 6130 into tDecimal
   --you need to be working with the binary conversion
   --of the value represented either way
   
   put binaryEncode("I*",baseConvert(tHex,16,10)) into tBinary
   
   --or if you already have the decimal value, just use that directly
   --put binaryEncode("I*",tDecimal) into tBinary
   
   --set the registry key using the binary encoded value
   get setregistry(tKey2,tBinary,"dword")
   put it
   
   
   --To retrieve the value in the key, it will need decoding from binary:
   
   put queryRegistry(tKey2,tType) into tValue
   --tType is an optional placeholder variable name and 
   --the type of the key being queried will be returned
   --in that variable name. It's irrelevant in this specific
   --example as you already know it's a DWORD type
   
   get binaryDecode("I*",tValue,tDecimal)
   --tDecimal is a placeholder variable for the result, you don't "put
binaryDecode("I*",tValue) into tDecimal
   
   put baseConvert(tDecimal,10,16) into tHex
   --get the hex back if you need it

HTH

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From SparkOutYNY at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 06:25:11 2009
From: SparkOutYNY at gmail.com (SparkOut)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 03:25:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Re-introducing myself
In-Reply-To: <18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
References: <18672003-2B0A-4F0B-9273-3AD2037E1461@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <25059536.post@talk.nabble.com>



Malte Brill wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> just to let you know (and to avoid any confusion, once you stumble  
> upon the new name). I got married last friday. From now on you will  
> see me signing with
> 
> " Malte Pfaff-Brill "
> 
> same person though. Nothing much changes. Just that my name resembles  
> those of my kids now. <g>
> 
> All the best,
> 
> Malte
> 
> --
> Malte Pfaff-Brill
> 
Allen besten W?nschen, Malte u. Familie.

I can't get the idea of protective goggles for cookery out of my head now.
(Pfaff => Pfeffer, Brill => Brille... duh, me and my mind!)

Congratulations anyway!
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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Thu Aug 20 06:29:33 2009
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:29:33 +0200
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <29922D3A-4627-4445-B587-7B10106CB1B5@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Brittany,

Mark, Thanks for the book info.

> Robert Claiborne  wrote a wonderful book called Our Marvelous
> Native Tongue.  An excellent read.

Looks like the right book to read. Ordered today !!

In return, as you appear to be interested in language origins,
may I point to an interesting site :

http://www.proto-english.org/

Best Regards

-Francis








From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Thu Aug 20 06:31:02 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:31:02 +0000
Subject: Re-2: setRegistry Dword -hex value?
Message-ID: <00038338.4A8D4205@the-office.us>

Hi SparkOut,

thank you very much for your help. That did it. :)

Matthias

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: setRegistry Dword -hex value? (20-Aug-2009 12:08)
From:    SparkOut <SparkOutYNY at gmail.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> 
> Hi Matthias, 
> You've been doing some things, among which is trying to represent the DWORD
> value as a string to be written. It will need to be binary converted as
> integers, so you will need to do a bit of converting to get the value 
> stored
> and retrieved:
> 
> put "HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\DameWare Development\NT Utilities\DNTU\
> DWRCC
> Settings\Connect To Client\Port0" into tKey2
>    put "17F2" into tHex
>    --or put 6130 into tDecimal
>    --you need to be working with the binary conversion
>    --of the value represented either way
>    
>    put binaryEncode("I*",baseConvert(tHex,16,10)) into tBinary
>    
>    --or if you already have the decimal value, just use that directly
>    --put binaryEncode("I*",tDecimal) into tBinary
>    
>    --set the registry key using the binary encoded value
>    get setregistry(tKey2,tBinary,"dword")
>    put it
>    
>    
>    --To retrieve the value in the key, it will need decoding from binary:
>    
>    put queryRegistry(tKey2,tType) into tValue
>    --tType is an optional placeholder variable name and 
>    --the type of the key being queried will be returned
>    --in that variable name. It's irrelevant in this specific
>    --example as you already know it's a DWORD type
>    
>    get binaryDecode("I*",tValue,tDecimal)
>    --tDecimal is a placeholder variable for the result, you don't "put
> binaryDecode("I*",tValue) into tDecimal
>    
>    put baseConvert(tDecimal,10,16) into tHex
>    --get the hex back if you need it
> 
> HTH
> 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 07:16:54 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 14:16:54 +0300
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <29922D3A-4627-4445-B587-7B10106CB1B5@wanadoo.fr>
References: <29922D3A-4627-4445-B587-7B10106CB1B5@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <4A8D30A6.2090306@gmail.com>

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> Hi from Brittany,
>
> Mark, Thanks for the book info.
>
>> Robert Claiborne  wrote a wonderful book called Our Marvelous
>> Native Tongue.  An excellent read.
> Looks like the right book to read. Ordered today !!
No, it doesn't, sorry.
>
> In return, as you appear to be interested in language origins,
> may I point to an interesting site :
>
> http://www.proto-english.org/
>
> Best Regards
>
> -Francis
>
"Sweeping across centuries and continents, Claiborne traces the
history of English from its roots in the Danube Valley 8000 years ago
to its status to day as native tongue of some 300 million people."

Boy-Oh-Boy, talk about contentious; yet, this theory [the Danube valley]
is presented as if it were fact. Nobody was talking English, or even 
anything
that vaguely resembled it until about 2000 years ago in what is now
Germany and Denmark.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nobody knows whether there really was a Proto-Indo-European language,
and if so, where speakers of PIE lived (places suggested are the Indus 
valley,
the Lithuanian marshes, and almost everywhere in between). Supposedly
languages such as Sanskrit, Iranian, Bengali, English, German, Mitanni .....
all spring from this source. Of course this theory is not helped by the fact
that the Mitanni lived in what is now Syria, right, slap-bang in the 
top-dead-centre
of an Afro-Asiatic speaking region.

The Mitanni have been described as of Irano-Indian origin; which seems to
suggest that speakers of PIE-derived languages were moving westwards
rather than eastwards.

There are people who will inform you that Vedic (proto-Sanskrit) was
produced from the mouth of Shri Brahma, and is of divine origin; this, if it
is true, really puts the cat among the pigeons!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Of course Robert Caliborne was (he is dead) "a writer, editor and musician",
and not an expert in the origins of languages. He was also a folk
musician:

"In the 1940's and 50's, he sang folk songs and taught guitar, music theory
and songwriting. With Pete Seeger, Lee Hays and others, he founded 
People's Songs,
an organization of folk singers and composers that published songs and 
produced concerts.

[ why do my "political toes" curl up whenever I hear of anything with 
the word "People's" in it? ]

In the mid-1950's, he began a second career as an editor of publications 
that included
Scientific American, Time-Life Books and Hospital Practice."

NY Times Obituary.

-----------------------------------------------------
Now, if you want to be serious (rather than amusing yourself reading 
about unproven
theories written by a popular journalist) then try these:

The English Language: A Historical Introduction (Cambridge Approaches to 
Linguistics)

and

The Oxford History of English (Paperback)

mind you, you'll pay a bit more for them; but, you get what you pay for.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

--------------------------------------------
Just to clarify things: I hold an MA in Linguistics from Southern Illinois
University at Carbondale; have taught courses at University level on
early English and its connexion with other Indo-European languages;
and am married to a person who holds a PhD in Historical Linguistics
from St Andrews University in Scotland.


From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Thu Aug 20 09:33:53 2009
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:33:53 -0400
Subject: What does "menu" do in the decorations property
In-Reply-To: <8A18A459-F517-4A05-8EDA-B42AB9390046@mac.com>
References: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>
	<f99b52860908111635o2d7d9d29x9cedc9bd041abf6@mail.gmail.com>
	<EA4B4685-F028-4FDB-AA45-4EB3E65F9ECB@buffalo.edu>
	<8A18A459-F517-4A05-8EDA-B42AB9390046@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8927DC61-3414-4F28-8362-197199B9AC5A@buffalo.edu>

Thanks for the reply Bjoernke. I was probably too brief in my  
question. When I set the decorations of a stack to menu, nothing  
happens. The only way I know of to create a "menubar" on Windows or  
Linux is to create a group and make it look like a menubar. Once  
that's done setting the decorations property still has no effect.  
Setting the menubar is supposed to be a Mac only property. So, my  
question remains, what is the menu keyword supposed to do when used  
with the decorations property? On my system it does not appear to do  
anything.

Tim Bleiler


On Aug 19, 2009, at 4:53 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> set the decorations to menu
>
>
> check out the menu keywords (and of course the decorations  
> properties) entry in the dictionary, it's very long ;)
>
>
> Bjoernke
>
> On 19 Aug 2009, at 22:18, Timothy Bleiler wrote:
>
>> According to the documentation
>>
>> Use the menu keyword to give a window a menu bar (on Unix and  
>> Windows systems).
>>
>> I can't see that "menu" does anything in this context. Can anyone  
>> tell me what I'm missing?
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> official ChatRev page:
> http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"
>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Thu Aug 20 09:56:16 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 15:56:16 +0200
Subject: What does "menu" do in the decorations property
In-Reply-To: <8927DC61-3414-4F28-8362-197199B9AC5A@buffalo.edu>
References: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>
	<f99b52860908111635o2d7d9d29x9cedc9bd041abf6@mail.gmail.com>
	<EA4B4685-F028-4FDB-AA45-4EB3E65F9ECB@buffalo.edu>
	<8A18A459-F517-4A05-8EDA-B42AB9390046@mac.com>
	<8927DC61-3414-4F28-8362-197199B9AC5A@buffalo.edu>
Message-ID: <C8A54E0A-FB05-4EF0-A62C-D4912ED20E6E@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Tim,

> Thanks for the reply Bjoernke. I was probably too brief in my  
> question. When I set the decorations of a stack to menu, nothing  
> happens. The only way I know of to create a "menubar" on Windows or  
> Linux is to create a group and make it look like a menubar. Once  
> that's done setting the decorations property still has no effect.  
> Setting the menubar is supposed to be a Mac only property. So, my  
> question remains, what is the menu keyword supposed to do when used  
> with the decorations property? On my system it does not appear to do  
> anything.

the decoration "menu" will only enable the context menu (right click)  
on the window title bar on windows.
Not more, but also not less :-)

> Tim Bleiler

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Thu Aug 20 10:08:02 2009
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Timothy Bleiler)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 10:08:02 -0400
Subject: What does "menu" do in the decorations property
In-Reply-To: <C8A54E0A-FB05-4EF0-A62C-D4912ED20E6E@major.on-rev.com>
References: <5103EDCC-E179-4A32-AF8B-0387D7669772@linkit.com>
	<f99b52860908111635o2d7d9d29x9cedc9bd041abf6@mail.gmail.com>
	<EA4B4685-F028-4FDB-AA45-4EB3E65F9ECB@buffalo.edu>
	<8A18A459-F517-4A05-8EDA-B42AB9390046@mac.com>
	<8927DC61-3414-4F28-8362-197199B9AC5A@buffalo.edu>
	<C8A54E0A-FB05-4EF0-A62C-D4912ED20E6E@major.on-rev.com>
Message-ID: <D5A5637B-4D4A-40B1-A222-7FDE94B8E62C@buffalo.edu>

Thank you Klaus. The documentation on this is very misleading.  Maybe  
someone should add your sentence! :-))


On Aug 20, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
>> Thanks for the reply Bjoernke. I was probably too brief in my  
>> question. When I set the decorations of a stack to menu, nothing  
>> happens. The only way I know of to create a "menubar" on Windows or  
>> Linux is to create a group and make it look like a menubar. Once  
>> that's done setting the decorations property still has no effect.  
>> Setting the menubar is supposed to be a Mac only property. So, my  
>> question remains, what is the menu keyword supposed to do when used  
>> with the decorations property? On my system it does not appear to  
>> do anything.
>
> the decoration "menu" will only enable the context menu (right  
> click) on the window title bar on windows.
> Not more, but also not less :-)
>
>> Tim Bleiler
>
> Best
>
> Klaus
>
> --
> Klaus Major
> http://www.major-k.de
> klaus at major.on-rev.com
>
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Thu Aug 20 13:02:57 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 13:02:57 -0400
Subject: Putting Stuff Before the Message Box
In-Reply-To: <20090820170005.3E67448AADB@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090820170005.3E67448AADB@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <930BAC3D-46E2-4A39-BF41-6BD791B1D788@videotron.ca>

I agree, Jim.  Not worth the risk or the bother.

	Gregory

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com 
  wrote:

> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:50:08 -0700
> From: Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Putting Stuff Before the Message Box
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <368EE73B-46DB-41C0-8C24-382D9D99EDD0 at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Just chiming in at the end of the thread.
>
> In the PHP environment on a web server there is a special memory area
> called "output buffer"
>
> This has various maintenance functions built in to the PHP system,
> such as
>   ob_start();    ob_flush();  ob_implicit();  ob_clean();
>
> and these facilitate building the characters that get sent back to a
> browser, etc.
> It is not a good idea to treat this as the normal PHP variable, such
> as $myDataString.
>
> The message box stack is also a special area that began its life in
> Hypercard 1.0
> Back then it was unchangeable.
> Now that you can dive into the Rev library stack and modify scripts,
> please use caution because there are globals and settings that are
> interconnected between libraries.  You might find strange behaviors
> that cannot easily be traced.
>
> It is cool that we can get under the hood and make such changes.
> My preference is not to do this since Rev is how I make my living.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2009, at 2:29 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>
>> Thanks for thoughtful responses Craig, Peter, and Shao,
>>
>> So, it wasn't the meds.  As I mostly use the message box for dumping
>> the results  of rough tests, it's good to know its idiosyncrasies so
>> I don't mistakenly think I've goofed.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> 	Gregory
>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Aug 20 14:46:15 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:46:15 -0700
Subject: What does "menu" do in the decorations property
Message-ID: <4A8D99F7.8010301@fourthworld.com>

Timothy Bleiler wrote:
> Thank you Klaus. The documentation on this is very misleading.  Maybe  
> someone should add your sentence! :-))
> 
> On Aug 20, 2009, at 9:56 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
> 
>> Hi Tim,
>>
>>> Thanks for the reply Bjoernke. I was probably too brief in my  
>>> question. When I set the decorations of a stack to menu, nothing  
>>> happens. The only way I know of to create a "menubar" on Windows or  
>>> Linux is to create a group and make it look like a menubar. Once  
>>> that's done setting the decorations property still has no effect.  
>>> Setting the menubar is supposed to be a Mac only property. So, my  
>>> question remains, what is the menu keyword supposed to do when used  
>>> with the decorations property? On my system it does not appear to  
>>> do anything.
>>
>> the decoration "menu" will only enable the context menu (right  
>> click) on the window title bar on windows.
>> Not more, but also not less :-)
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Klaus

The Dictionary has a place for user comments.  You can add that line there.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Thu Aug 20 14:48:08 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 11:48:08 -0700
Subject: Firefox works for revlet but not IE?
Message-ID: <4A8D9A68.4080804@castandcrew.com>

Yo Sparkout,

Many thanks for referring me to the forum!  Alas, this solution did not 
work for me.

1) Environment is Windows XP Pro.  IT does not support Vista (at least yet)
2) No UAC (user access control) that is Vista only so I didn't have to 
do that, or do I?
3) I ran the installer as administrator, using the right click method 
and entering the password

Nope.  IE still wants to download the plug in every time I try to access 
the test page with the revlet.

Darn!  But thank you again.

I was using IE 7, I am going to upgrade to IE 8 and try again.

-----------------------------------
A solution posted on the forum
http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=15753#15753 by paul_gr
worked for me.

Turn off UAC temporarily, right click the installer executable and choose
"run as administrator".
Turn UAC back on (if you want) and it should hopefully work - I had success
following that procedure.


From randall at randallreetz.com  Thu Aug 20 15:49:46 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:49:46 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090820194948.GCAO5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

This should be a standard function in any xtalk environment.  Computing, like any system is a dance between things and actions brought upon those things.  Nouns must be identified and parameterized before verbs can act on them.  Text is the abstraction we use to do this mapping.  If the computer can't fluidly address the chunking that makes up every level of the grammatical hierarchy within our language, the things we can do with this tool are vastly restricted.

randall 

-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:16 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> Hi from Brittany,
>
> Mark, Thanks for the book info.
>
>> Robert Claiborne  wrote a wonderful book called Our Marvelous
>> Native Tongue.  An excellent read.
> Looks like the right book to read. Ordered today !!
No, it doesn't, sorry.
>
> In return, as you appear to be interested in language origins,
> may I point to an interesting site :
>
> http://www.proto-english.org/
>
> Best Regards
>
> -Francis
>
"Sweeping across centuries and continents, Claiborne traces the
history of English from its roots in the Danube Valley 8000 years ago
to its status to day as native tongue of some 300 million people."

Boy-Oh-Boy, talk about contentious; yet, this theory [the Danube valley]
is presented as if it were fact. Nobody was talking English, or even 
anything
that vaguely resembled it until about 2000 years ago in what is now
Germany and Denmark.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nobody knows whether there really was a Proto-Indo-European language,
and if so, where speakers of PIE lived (places suggested are the Indus 
valley,
the Lithuanian marshes, and almost everywhere in between). Supposedly
languages such as Sanskrit, Iranian, Bengali, English, German, Mitanni ....

From DunbarX at aol.com  Thu Aug 20 16:43:31 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:43:31 EDT
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <c87.573f8bdb.37bf0f73@aol.com>

I have been lurking on this thread, so I may have missed it. Wouldn't it be 
simple to download a dictionary, which has syllables parsed already, 
usually with a dash or some other delimiter char, and even has the accents?

A few lines of script and you have a de-syllabilized text file.

Craig Newman

In a message dated 8/20/09 3:50:28 PM, randall at randallreetz.com writes:


> This should be a standard function in any xtalk environment.? Computing, 
> like any system is a dance between things and actions brought upon those 
> things.? Nouns must be identified and parameterized before verbs can act on 
> them.? Text is the abstraction we use to do this mapping.? If the computer 
> can't fluidly address the chunking that makes up every level of the 
> grammatical hierarchy within our language, the things we can do with this tool are 
> vastly restricted.
> 
> randall
> 



From jeff at siphonophore.com  Thu Aug 20 17:06:54 2009
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:06:54 -0400
Subject: OT: Educational Frameworks
In-Reply-To: <20090820170005.5E04F48AADF@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090820170005.5E04F48AADF@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <345DF6C4-7323-4B1D-8F7F-0F45F1336788@siphonophore.com>

> Sivakatirswami,

most of those kinds of sites here are done by the larger publishing  
and training companies are are thus closed. most is pretty bad IMHO.  
the larger the publishing firms have gotten with recent consolidation  
and the increase on all sorts of state educational frame works (a few  
biggies most states follow and then the rest all over the place) have  
lead to this kind of stuff getting more and more and more bland and  
boring and the level/depth of content significantly dropping off big  
time. so not sure if they would be good models for you to follow  
anyway except to show you some things not to do... there seems to be  
much better quality and depth at the college level going on as there  
is a bit more standardization/accreditation that goes on there and  
since more academic you will find more open source of folks letting  
you review what they have done.

only one i know of of decent quality and depth is K12, its the 800lb  
gorilla in the online ed world these days. not sure if they have a  
preview you can do as they are slowly getting away from the home  
school market (where they started) and moving more to magnet schools  
(easier to get the volume purchases with only a few folks deciding  
instead of a lot of very picky home schoolers doing the review!)

thats the 2 cents i can throw into the pot.

cheers

jeff


Jeffrey Reynolds



On Aug 20, 2009, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> We are trying to look into educational frameworks to check on possible
> models for building our own system on the web.
>
> We have a professor who gave us access to her moodle site, but it's  
> gear
> to first year university math courses.
>
> We need to see models in use for K-12, where the interface is actually
> "usable" by the children themselves, if such a think exists.
>
> But, in all our searches, we are blocked at every turn. There  
> appears to
> be nothing "open"  you either have to be an instructor or a registered
> student with an enrollment ID to get in. This makes perfect sense  
> from a
> security point of view, but it leaves anyone searching for such things
> completely shut out. We see hundreds of moodle sites and companies  
> that
> support moodle users. But not a single "portal" that we can get into  
> to
> look around for K-12 ideas.
>
> If you know of any teachers/sites that might allow us to view the  
> frame
> work (courses for kids, the syllabus, the modules in use, etc.) we  
> would
> really appreciate it.
>
> Please contact me off line with any access info/ideas you may have.
>
> Thanks
> Sivakatirswami



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Aug 20 17:45:32 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:45:32 -0400
Subject: [ANN] SQL Yoga: A Flexible Database Library for Revolution
In-Reply-To: <49D3EAA5-FBA5-4787-8CDD-119EF1CC86ED@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <49D3EAA5-FBA5-4787-8CDD-119EF1CC86ED@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <99CD1E6D-B7F5-45BB-8F6E-B8794C0F44E5@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 17, 2009, at 11:15 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> In September Blue Mango Learning Systems will be releasing a  
> database library that will change how you work with databases in  
> Revolution. Join us Wednesday for a webinar where we will introduce  
> SQL Yoga and announce the public beta leading up to release.

I've posted a recording of the webinar content and added links to SQL  
Yoga materials to the blog post.

<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/2009/08/sql-yoga-a-flexible-database-library-for-revolution/ 
 >

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Thu Aug 20 17:54:11 2009
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:54:11 +0100
Subject: Interesting radio button behaviour
In-Reply-To: <20090820170005.214AC48AAD9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090820170005.214AC48AAD9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <79402809-E8BD-42EB-985E-2A2D34CEE5CE@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>

I stumbled across two more interesting radio button behaviours which  
I didn't know before, and mention out of interest.

It seems a right click on a non hilited button deselects the hilited   
button without setting a new hilite.  I haven't found any Mac radio  
buttons that do this, so I'm not sure whether it is one of those  
cross platform compromises.  It could be a gotcha if at least one of  
a number of radio buttons should always be hilited.

Using an icon and hilited icon rather than the standard blob exposes  
different behaviour.  Even if the autoselect is set to false, *left*  
clicking on an unhilited button has the same result as above.

Funny eh?

David G




From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 20 20:37:26 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:37:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <c87.573f8bdb.37bf0f73@aol.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com> <c87.573f8bdb.37bf0f73@aol.com>
Message-ID: <25072452.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

Actually, i have found an online syllabic divisor:
http://www.respublicae.net/lengua/silabas/
that could be useful to compare the output
of this script.

In other webpage, there is a list of 4212 valid syllabes:
http://www.cpimario.com/silabas.zip

My first test script divided wrong most of the words,
but recent iterations produce more than 85%
correct syllabic division. Eventually, as time permits,
the script will grow more accurate. Then, it will be
ready to show in stack or revlet form.

i noticed the discussion about english language, but
remember that this script will parse spanish text.

Natural language processing is one of the topics of investigation
for Artificial inteligence researchers. i hope to see, someday,
a complete implementation of the chatbot ALICE made in revTalk,
available to run with RevCGI engine.
http://www.alicebot.org/about.html

Many thanks to everyone that help with their ideas.
Have a nice weekend!

alejandro
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Thu Aug 20 21:57:27 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:57:27 -0500
Subject: [ANN] No tRev Feature Friday this week
Message-ID: <39CF431A-8379-41A8-8EC4-63597E1E8BD5@me.com>

Script-lovers,

We were hoping for a big Feature Friday this week, but there's a bit  
more spit and polish that needs to be applied to the latest new  
features. I've also added some great little enhancements as well.

I expect you'll hear from me the first half of next week. Have a great  
weekend!

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From katir at hindu.org  Fri Aug 21 01:01:56 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:01:56 -1000
Subject: RunRevPlanet SpellCheck Stack - User Defined dictionaries?
Message-ID: <4A8E2A44.5080702@hindu.org>

Does anyone know if RunRevPlanet SpellCheck Stack  has the option to 
install user defined dictionaries independently of the main dictionary, 
to which words can be added in the spell checking process?




From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Fri Aug 21 12:19:54 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:19:54 +0200
Subject: memory saturating with a repeat loop
Message-ID: <4371BDC1-BC9D-4D8C-97A3-32869D1AD935@inria.fr>

Bonjour,

I have an app including about five  hundred stacks (main stacks with  
substacks); they are physician's clients files.
In order to produce statistics I have a handler which search the  
values of several measures in the main stack and one substack of each  
clients.

I am using a repeat loop to search the stacks (useful to say that, as  
soon as the values are picked up, I "delete" the main stack).

Despite this, my app systematically crashes before completing the all  
set of stacks.

In the archives of the list, I found the following :
---------------------------------------
Re: Releasing Memory and Virtual Memory

J. Landman Gay
Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:27:28 -0700

BNig wrote:

     Derek,
     do you import the 100 or so images in a repeat loop?
     If so try whether adding a wait 2 milliseconds in the repeat loop  
helps.
     Or alternatively try to do it in a "send" structure. In my  
experience Rev
     has problems releasing memory in a repeat loop. When I changed to  
a "send to
     me in 2 milliseconds" no more problem with memory build-up.

I agree, and I'm pretty sure this must be what's wrong. Rev doesn't do  
any garbage collection until a handler ends. The most reliable way is  
the "send in <time>" structure.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jac... at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
-----------------------------------------

But after a lot of unsuccessful trials I am completely lost and seem  
unable to think correctly anymore!

including "wait 2 milliseconds" in the repeat loop does not help.

I don"t see how I could avoid the repeat loop ? (how to use a "send in  
time" structure ? is it instead of the repeat loop ??)
I tried to proceed one hundred stacks at a time only, but here again I  
don"t see how to avoid a repeat loop ?

What am I missing ?

Thanks a lot in advance for any advice

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Aug 21 12:35:30 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:35:30 -0700
Subject: memory saturating with a repeat loop
Message-ID: <4A8ECCD2.1010400@fourthworld.com>

Andre.Bisseret wrote:

> I have an app including about five  hundred stacks (main stacks with  
> substacks); they are physician's clients files.
> In order to produce statistics I have a handler which search the  
> values of several measures in the main stack and one substack of each  
> clients.
> 
> I am using a repeat loop to search the stacks (useful to say that, as  
> soon as the values are picked up, I "delete" the main stack).
> 
> Despite this, my app systematically crashes before completing the all  
> set of stacks.

Could the data be moved to a single stack, perhaps using custom props 
for greater efficiency?  Or if not, perhaps SQLite?

> I don"t see how I could avoid the repeat loop ? (how to use a "send in  
> time" structure ? is it instead of the repeat loop ??)
> I tried to proceed one hundred stacks at a time only, but here again I  
> don"t see how to avoid a repeat loop ?

Off the top of my head (read "test, don't trust" <g>):


local sStackList

on ProcessStacks
   -- put all of the stack file names into a list:
   put AllSuchStackFiles() into sStackList
   --
   -- Initiate the actual processing:
   ProcessNextStack
end ProcessStacks


on ProcessNextStack
    -- Are we done yet?:
    if sStackList is empty then
       answer "All done!"
    else
      -- Get the next stack:
      put line 1 of sStackList into tStack
      delete line 1 of sStackList
      -- Process it:
      doWhateverYouNeedToDoToStack tStack
      --
      -- Now that that stack's done, run this handler again:
      if "ProcessNextStack" is not in the pendingMessages then
         send "ProcessNextStack" to me in 10 millisecs
      end if
      --
    end if
end ProcessNextStack


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 14:16:45 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:16:45 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090821181649.YHSB5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

In addition to syllables, the system should be able to identify the following textual chunks:
Characters
Phonems
Words 
Parts of speech (phrases)
subject/object
Semantic roots
Sentences
Paragraphs
Sections
Volumes
Sets
Lists
Multidimentional arrays and nested tables
Unlimited nested and overlapping hyperlinks and transclussions
Tempo, pausing, pitch, volume, and percussive contrast
Ontological association network mapping between any chunk or chunk type  

A simple, intuitive and robust interface and functional library to address and effect these objects at every hierarchy of the grammatical stack.

randall


-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 12:49 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: RE: Syllabic division of words

This should be a standard function in any xtalk environment.  Computing, like any system is a dance between things and actions brought upon those things.  Nouns must be identified and parameterized before verbs can act on them.  Text is the abstraction we use to do this mapping.  If the computer can't fluidly address the chunking that makes up every level of the grammatical hierarchy within our language, the things we can do with this tool are vastly restricted.

randall 

-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 4:16 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:
> Hi from Brittany,
>
> Mark, Thanks for the book info.
>
>> Robert Claiborne  wrote a wonderful book called Our Marvelous
>> Native Tongue.  An excellent read.
> Looks like the right book to read. Ordered today !!
No, it doesn't, sorry.
>
> In return, as you appear to be interested in language origins,
> may I point to an interesting site :
>
> http://www.proto-english.org/
>
> Best Regards
>
> -Francis
>
"Sweeping across centuries and continents, Claiborne traces the
history of English from its roots in the Danube Valley 8000 years ago
to its status to day as native tongue of some 300 million people."

Boy-Oh-Boy, talk about contentious; yet, this theory [the Danube valley]
is presented as if it were fact. Nobody was talking English, or even 
anything
that vaguely resembled it until about 2000 years ago in what is now
Germany and Denmark.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nobody knows whether there really was a Proto-Indo-European language,
and if so, where speakers of PIE lived (places suggested are the Indus 
valley,
the Lithuanian marshes, and almost everywhere in between). Supposedly
languages such as Sanskrit, Iranian, Bengali, English, German, Mitanni ...._______________________________________________
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 21 14:44:11 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:44:11 -0700
Subject: memory saturating with a repeat loop
In-Reply-To: <4371BDC1-BC9D-4D8C-97A3-32869D1AD935@inria.fr>
References: <4371BDC1-BC9D-4D8C-97A3-32869D1AD935@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <71E19E4B-2BE4-4358-BCF2-F8B190839054@yahoo.com>

>
> But after a lot of unsuccessful trials I am completely lost and seem  
> unable to think correctly anymore!
>
> including "wait 2 milliseconds" in the repeat loop does not help.
>
> I don"t see how I could avoid the repeat loop ? (how to use a "send  
> in time" structure ? is it instead of the repeat loop ??)
> I tried to proceed one hundred stacks at a time only, but here again  
> I don"t see how to avoid a repeat loop ?
>
> What am I missing ?


Question 1:
   Is this an app or a set of stacks running in the IDE?
Question 2:
   Are you the only one using this setup?

I am assuming you are in the IDE (development environ) since your are  
saving data to substacks.

This should work in any case, compiled app or IDE
One approach is to setup the following:

--in each substack, make it self-documenting
on closestack
    set the itemdell to "/"
    get the effective filename of main stack
    get item 1 to -2 of it & "/"
    set the default folder to IT  -- the directory the stack is in

    --or use a folder to hold all the text files
    set the default folder to ("textDataFiles/" & IT)

    --because the defaultfolder is set,
    --      all the files will be stored in this directory

    get "fldname1 fldname2 fldname3 fldname4"
    get IT & "fldname5 fldname6 fldname7 fldname8"
    put it into fieldSequence
    put the short name of this stack & cr into outputBlock
    repeat for each NM in fieldSequence
       put NM & comma & fld NM & cr after outputBlock
       -- now each line has a "name, value"


    end repeat
    delete char 1 of outputBlock
    put the short name of this stack into FN
    put char 1 to -2 of outputBlock into url ("file:" & FN & ".txt")
    --because the defaultfolder is set,
    --      the file will be stored in that directory
end closestack


Now your main routine can just read in the text files that have all  
the matching data you need.
No need to open the substacks to get data, just read in the text file.

on processAllDataFromTextFiles

    set the defaulfolder to "directory/where/substacks/saved/their/ 
files/"
    put the files into fileListing
    filter fileListing with "*.txt"  -- eschew invisible files or  
stacks or zips
    repeat for each line FN in fileListing
       put url ("file:" & FN) into currentSubStackDataBlock
       --do bunches of good stuff with these numbers and labels
       -- use filter
       -- use chunking such as offset, wordOffset, itemOffset,  
lineOffset
       --reuse currSubStackDataBlock, which conserves memory

    end repeat

end processAllDataFromTextFiles

This should run fast enough for you and much better than crashing   
before completion.

Hope this helps,

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Aug 21, 2009, at 9:19 AM, Andre.Bisseret wrote:

> Bonjour,
>
> I have an app including about five  hundred stacks (main stacks with  
> substacks); they are physician's clients files.
> In order to produce statistics I have a handler which search the  
> values of several measures in the main stack and one substack of  
> each clients.
>
> I am using a repeat loop to search the stacks (useful to say that,  
> as soon as the values are picked up, I "delete" the main stack).
>
> Despite this, my app systematically crashes before completing the  
> all set of stacks.
>
> In the archives of the list, I found the following :
> ---------------------------------------
> Re: Releasing Memory and Virtual Memory
>
> J. Landman Gay
> Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:27:28 -0700
>
> BNig wrote:
>
>    Derek,
>    do you import the 100 or so images in a repeat loop?
>    If so try whether adding a wait 2 milliseconds in the repeat loop  
> helps.
>    Or alternatively try to do it in a "send" structure. In my  
> experience Rev
>    has problems releasing memory in a repeat loop. When I changed to  
> a "send to
>    me in 2 milliseconds" no more problem with memory build-up.
>
> I agree, and I'm pretty sure this must be what's wrong. Rev doesn't  
> do any garbage collection until a handler ends. The most reliable  
> way is the "send in <time>" structure.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jac... at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> -----------------------------------------
>
> But after a lot of unsuccessful trials I am completely lost and seem  
> unable to think correctly anymore!
>
> including "wait 2 milliseconds" in the repeat loop does not help.
>
> I don"t see how I could avoid the repeat loop ? (how to use a "send  
> in time" structure ? is it instead of the repeat loop ??)
> I tried to proceed one hundred stacks at a time only, but here again  
> I don"t see how to avoid a repeat loop ?
>
> What am I missing ?
>
> Thanks a lot in advance for any advice
>
> Best regards from Grenoble
> Andr?
>
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From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 14:47:56 2009
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:47:56 -0700
Subject: Interesting radio button behaviour
In-Reply-To: <79402809-E8BD-42EB-985E-2A2D34CEE5CE@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
References: <20090820170005.214AC48AAD9@mail.runrev.com>
	<79402809-E8BD-42EB-985E-2A2D34CEE5CE@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260908211147j57e5b2d7r6619663a94ecc3c3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

I'm not sure I fully followed your description but this is what I found.

I can verify that your first point happens on Macintosh systems.
Right-clicking a non-hilited radio button in a group deselects the hilited
button in the group. I guess it's just processing the click and not making a
distinction between right or left clicks.

On your second point, I can verify that when autohilite is off on all the
buttons, a click on a non-hilited button unhilites the hilited button,
whether it's a standard radio button or a user icon. This is what you would
expect. This is normal operation for radio buttons except that it doesn't
hilite the button you just clicked because you've turned off that
capability. I found no difference between buttons that use icons and the
standard radio button in this regard.

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com

On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:54 PM, David Glasgow <
david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:

> I stumbled across two more interesting radio button behaviours which I
> didn't know before, and mention out of interest.
>
> It seems a right click on a non hilited button deselects the hilited
>  button without setting a new hilite.  I haven't found any Mac radio buttons
> that do this, so I'm not sure whether it is one of those cross platform
> compromises.  It could be a gotcha if at least one of a number of radio
> buttons should always be hilited.
>
> Using an icon and hilited icon rather than the standard blob exposes
> different behaviour.  Even if the autoselect is set to false, *left*
> clicking on an unhilited button has the same result as above.
>
> Funny eh?
>
> David G


From index at kenjikojima.com  Fri Aug 21 14:58:44 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:58:44 -0400
Subject: Disabled Shortcut Command+Q on MacOS
Message-ID: <B8FE568C-1DB7-420D-AB45-450025B64514@kenjikojima.com>

Hi

I am trying to make disabled Command+Q. I want to make a stack regular  
users cannot quit. I do not want to show a Finder. The stack does not  
have a menu, and a stack size is the screenrect. There is a hidden  
Quit button on the card.

I tried to put another scripts into the menu item Quite(has shortcut),  
but It did not work. My standalone always quit by command+Q.

Does anybody know how I can make it?

Thanks,
--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/






From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Aug 21 15:08:41 2009
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:08:41 +0100
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090821181649.YHSB5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090821181649.YHSB5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <5F87A45E-B42E-4505-BB4B-2E0F985F01CF@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:16, Randall Reetz wrote:

> In addition to syllables, the system should be able to identify the  
> following textual chunks:
> Characters
> Phonems
> Words
> Parts of speech (phrases)
> subject/object
> Semantic roots
> Sentences
> Paragraphs
> Sections
> Volumes
> Sets
> Lists
> Multidimentional arrays and nested tables
> Unlimited nested and overlapping hyperlinks and transclussions
> Tempo, pausing, pitch, volume, and percussive contrast
> Ontological association network mapping between any chunk or chunk  
> type
>
> A simple, intuitive and robust interface and functional library to  
> address and effect these objects at every hierarchy of the  
> grammatical stack.

Would this be for Polish or just Chinese?

Sorry, but I can't work out if you're being serious or plain sarcastic  
like myself.

Dave






From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Aug 21 15:10:21 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:10:21 +0200
Subject: Disabled Shortcut Command+Q on MacOS
In-Reply-To: <B8FE568C-1DB7-420D-AB45-450025B64514@kenjikojima.com>
References: <B8FE568C-1DB7-420D-AB45-450025B64514@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <5C611145-0623-4E6F-B5D7-0587E6908B44@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Kenji,

What about:

on shutdownRequest
end shutdownRequest

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 21 aug 2009, at 20:58, Kenji Kojima wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am trying to make disabled Command+Q. I want to make a stack  
> regular users cannot quit. I do not want to show a Finder. The stack  
> does not have a menu, and a stack size is the screenrect. There is a  
> hidden Quit button on the card.
>
> I tried to put another scripts into the menu item Quite(has  
> shortcut), but It did not work. My standalone always quit by command 
> +Q.
>
> Does anybody know how I can make it?
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Kenji Kojima
> http://www.kenjikojima.com/



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Aug 21 15:21:04 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:21:04 -0600
Subject: Disabled Shortcut Command+Q on MacOS
In-Reply-To: <B8FE568C-1DB7-420D-AB45-450025B64514@kenjikojima.com>
References: <B8FE568C-1DB7-420D-AB45-450025B64514@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <D2BAAE56-D95F-4E96-BFE7-5AD6D6CDD938@byu.edu>


On Aug 21, 2009, at 12:58 PM, Kenji Kojima wrote:

> Hi
>
> I am trying to make disabled Command+Q. I want to make a stack regular
> users cannot quit. I do not want to show a Finder. The stack does not
> have a menu, and a stack size is the screenrect. There is a hidden
> Quit button on the card.
>
> I tried to put another scripts into the menu item Quite(has shortcut),
> but It did not work. My standalone always quit by command+Q.
>
> Does anybody know how I can make it?

Kenji,

I think Key Ray's tip at <http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/menu001.htm 
 > will do this.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Fri Aug 21 15:28:37 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:28:37 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <25072452.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com> <c87.573f8bdb.37bf0f73@aol.com>
	<25072452.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <151076BA-6443-4998-8E40-26AF13C316E9@cruzio.com>

Mucho m?s f?cil y regular en espa?ol.  English syllabication is a  
different animal.

Buena suerte.

Mark


On Aug 20, 2009, at 5:37 PM, capellan wrote:

> i noticed the discussion about english language, but
> remember that this script will parse spanish text.



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 15:35:00 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:35:00 +0300
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <151076BA-6443-4998-8E40-26AF13C316E9@cruzio.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<c87.573f8bdb.37bf0f73@aol.com>	<25072452.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<151076BA-6443-4998-8E40-26AF13C316E9@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <4A8EF6E4.4040302@gmail.com>

Mark Swindell wrote:
> Mucho m?s f?cil y regular en espa?ol.  English syllabication is a 
> different animal.
>
> Buena suerte.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2009, at 5:37 PM, capellan wrote:
>
>> i noticed the discussion about english language, but
>> remember that this script will parse spanish text.
>
I don't know where this discussion is going;  but probaly down
a deep, dark hole. I am not sure how many languages there
are spoken round the world, but any attempt at writing code to
determine syllables or other linguistic 'bits' is going to end up
like Unicode (with which I am having 'buckets of fun' with right
mow), a fidge which leaves everybody disgruntled.


From psahores at free.fr  Fri Aug 21 15:32:48 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:32:48 +0200
Subject: memory saturating with a repeat loop
In-Reply-To: <4371BDC1-BC9D-4D8C-97A3-32869D1AD935@inria.fr>
References: <4371BDC1-BC9D-4D8C-97A3-32869D1AD935@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <B55EA8B6-E5CF-466E-9894-3DE136DF3085@free.fr>

Bonjour Andr?,

Should this design proposal help ?


> global Stacks_to_scan,Stack_to_parse,Compteur
>
> on mouseup
> 	get current_eval()
> end mouseup
>
> function current_eval
> 	if Stacks_to_parse is "" then
> 		 define_thestacks_to_scan_as_one_stack_peer_line
> 		put "1" into Compteur
> 		put line Compteur of Stacks_to_scan into Stack_to_parse
> 		apply your stats_collect_code to stackStack_to_parse there
> 		get next_eval()
> 	else if Compteur < the num of lines in Stacks_to_scan then
> 		add 1 into Compteur
> 		put line Compteur of Stacks_to_scan into Stack_to_parse
> 		apply your stats_collect_code to stackStack_to_parse there
> 		get next_eval()
> 	else
> 		put "" into Stacks_to_scan
> 		put "" into Compteur
> 		exit to top
> 	end if
> end current_eval
>
> function next_eval
> 	get current_eval()
> end next_eval


Best Regards,

Pierre

> Bonjour,
>
> I have an app including about five  hundred stacks (main stacks with  
> substacks); they are physician's clients files.
> In order to produce statistics I have a handler which search the  
> values of several measures in the main stack and one substack of  
> each clients.
>
> I am using a repeat loop to search the stacks (useful to say that,  
> as soon as the values are picked up, I "delete" the main stack).
>
> Despite this, my app systematically crashes before completing the  
> all set of stacks.
>
> In the archives of the list, I found the following :
> ---------------------------------------
> Re: Releasing Memory and Virtual Memory
>
> J. Landman Gay
> Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:27:28 -0700
>
> BNig wrote:
>
>    Derek,
>    do you import the 100 or so images in a repeat loop?
>    If so try whether adding a wait 2 milliseconds in the repeat loop  
> helps.
>    Or alternatively try to do it in a "send" structure. In my  
> experience Rev
>    has problems releasing memory in a repeat loop. When I changed to  
> a "send to
>    me in 2 milliseconds" no more problem with memory build-up.
>
> I agree, and I'm pretty sure this must be what's wrong. Rev doesn't  
> do any garbage collection until a handler ends. The most reliable  
> way is the "send in <time>" structure.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jac... at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> -----------------------------------------
>
> But after a lot of unsuccessful trials I am completely lost and seem  
> unable to think correctly anymore!
>
> including "wait 2 milliseconds" in the repeat loop does not help.
>
> I don"t see how I could avoid the repeat loop ? (how to use a "send  
> in time" structure ? is it instead of the repeat loop ??)
> I tried to proceed one hundred stacks at a time only, but here again  
> I don"t see how to avoid a repeat loop ?
>
> What am I missing ?
>
> Thanks a lot in advance for any advice
>
> Best regards from Grenoble
> Andr?
>
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 15:38:13 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:38:13 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090821193816.KOCZ5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

I am never sarcastic.  These functions can be written upon a meta-grammatical base that will work across languages.  Rev already does this in limited ways.  I find these limits absurd and backwards.  Provencial even.  It is long past time to ask the big questions of computing as a field.  We follow as sheep, even when we are in charge of computing's future.

randall

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:08 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words


On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:16, Randall Reetz wrote:

> In addition to syllables, the system should be able to identify the  
> following textual chunks:
> Characters
> Phonems
> Words
> Parts of speech (phrases)
> subject/object
> Semantic roots
> Sentences
> Paragraphs
> Sections
> Volumes
> Sets
> Lists
> Multidimentional arrays and nested tables
> Unlimited nested and overlapping hyperlinks and transclussions
> Tempo, pausing, pitch, volume, and percussive contrast
> Ontological association network mapping between any chunk or chunk  
> type
>
> A simple, intuitive and robust interface and functional library to  
> address and effect these objects at every hierarchy of the  
> grammatical stack.

Would this be for Polish or just Chinese?

Sorry, but I can't work out if you're being serious or plain sarcastic  
like myself.

Dave




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From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 15:45:08 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:45:08 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090821194511.MIJB5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Unicorn is a fairly robust protocol.  what's missing is the necessary automated layers between its necessary complexity and actual use thereof.  This is frequently the case with computer technology.  A protocol can have an aesthetic elegance that is inclusive to any actual manifestation or interaction between it and the real world.  Engineers tend to balk at walking this necessarily messy extra mile.

randall

-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:35 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Mark Swindell wrote:
> Mucho m?s f?cil y regular en espa?ol.  English syllabication is a 
> different animal.
>
> Buena suerte.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2009, at 5:37 PM, capellan wrote:
>
>> i noticed the discussion about english language, but
>> remember that this script will parse spanish text.
>
I don't know where this discussion is going;  but probaly down
a deep, dark hole. I am not sure how many languages there
are spoken round the world, but any attempt at writing code to
determine syllables or other linguistic 'bits' is going to end up
like Unicode (with which I am having 'buckets of fun' with right
mow), a fidge which leaves everybody disgruntled.
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 15:48:25 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:48:25 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090821194828.DEKF10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

My phone thinks "unicorn" is a more likely word than "unicode".  Says buckets about human nature.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:45 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: RE: Syllabic division of words

Unicorn is a fairly robust protocol.  what's missing is the necessary automated layers between its necessary complexity and actual use thereof.  This is frequently the case with computer technology.  A protocol can have an aesthetic elegance that is inclusive to any actual manifestation or interaction between it and the real world.  Engineers tend to balk at walking this necessarily messy extra mile.

randall

-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:35 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Mark Swindell wrote:
> Mucho m?s f?cil y regular en espa?ol.  English syllabication is a 
> different animal.
>
> Buena suerte.
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Aug 20, 2009, at 5:37 PM, capellan wrote:
>
>> i noticed the discussion about english language, but
>> remember that this script will parse spanish text.
>
I don't know where this discussion is going;  but probaly down
a deep, dark hole. I am not sure how many languages there
are spoken round the world, but any attempt at writing code to
determine syllables or other linguistic 'bits' is going to end up
like Unicode (with which I am having 'buckets of fun' with right
mow), a fidge which leaves everybody disgruntled.
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From niggemann at uni-wh.de  Fri Aug 21 15:50:43 2009
From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 12:50:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: memory saturating with a repeat loop
In-Reply-To: <4371BDC1-BC9D-4D8C-97A3-32869D1AD935@inria.fr>
References: <4371BDC1-BC9D-4D8C-97A3-32869D1AD935@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <25086324.post@talk.nabble.com>


Andre,
I ran into the same problem when analysing 3500 stacks distributed over 3
computers, over 1000 stacks on each. Rev crashed. In the repeat loop version
you could watch the memory go down in the activity monitor (on a Mac) and
once it went into virtual memory soon after it crashed.
Than I did a send in time version and it went smoothly and fast even though
it was over a local area network. 
I made a bug report as a minor bug #6631 which has a demo stack that shows
how repeatedly loading a stack and deleting it afterwards crashes
revolution. And there is the send in time version that avoids crashing.
Essentially it is like the code Richard has proposed.

Once you get the idea of send in time constructs they are a) easy to do and
b) keep you out of trouble because Revolution can do it's housekeeping while
you do your long and tedious computing.

It may be a design flaw to put that amount of data into that many individual
stacks but there were reasons for me to choose this approach. And with the
send in time approach all went well.

regards
Bernd 


Andre.Bisseret wrote:
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
> I have an app including about five  hundred stacks (main stacks with  
> substacks); they are physician's clients files.
> In order to produce statistics I have a handler which search the  
> values of several measures in the main stack and one substack of each  
> clients.
> 
> I am using a repeat loop to search the stacks (useful to say that, as  
> soon as the values are picked up, I "delete" the main stack).
> 
> Despite this, my app systematically crashes before completing the all  
> set of stacks.
> 
> In the archives of the list, I found the following :
> ---------------------------------------
> Re: Releasing Memory and Virtual Memory
> 
> J. Landman Gay
> Tue, 11 Aug 2009 15:27:28 -0700
> 
> BNig wrote:
> 
>      Derek,
>      do you import the 100 or so images in a repeat loop?
>      If so try whether adding a wait 2 milliseconds in the repeat loop  
> helps.
>      Or alternatively try to do it in a "send" structure. In my  
> experience Rev
>      has problems releasing memory in a repeat loop. When I changed to  
> a "send to
>      me in 2 milliseconds" no more problem with memory build-up.
> 
> I agree, and I'm pretty sure this must be what's wrong. Rev doesn't do  
> any garbage collection until a handler ends. The most reliable way is  
> the "send in <time>" structure.
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jac... at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> -----------------------------------------
> 
> But after a lot of unsuccessful trials I am completely lost and seem  
> unable to think correctly anymore!
> 
> including "wait 2 milliseconds" in the repeat loop does not help.
> 
> I don"t see how I could avoid the repeat loop ? (how to use a "send in  
> time" structure ? is it instead of the repeat loop ??)
> I tried to proceed one hundred stacks at a time only, but here again I  
> don"t see how to avoid a repeat loop ?
> 
> What am I missing ?
> 
> Thanks a lot in advance for any advice
> 
> Best regards from Grenoble
> Andr?
> 

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Aug 21 16:05:33 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:05:33 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <4A8EFE0D.1050901@fourthworld.com>

Randall Reetz wrote:

 > These functions can be written upon a meta-grammatical base
 > that will work across languages.  Rev already does this in
 > limited ways.  I find these limits absurd and backwards.
 > Provencial even.  It is long past time to ask the big
 > questions of computing as a field.  We follow as sheep,
 > even when we are in charge of computing's future.

Perhaps you could enlighten RunRev and the rest of us "sheep" by 
providing scripted versions of these functions you'd like to see in the 
engine?

 From your description it doesn't sound like it would take much time.


 > -----Original Message-----
 > On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:16, Randall Reetz wrote:
 >
 >> In addition to syllables, the system should be able to identify the
 >> following textual chunks:
 >> Characters
 >> Phonems
 >> Words
 >> Parts of speech (phrases)
 >> subject/object
 >> Semantic roots
 >> Sentences
 >> Paragraphs
 >> Sections
 >> Volumes
 >> Sets
 >> Lists
 >> Multidimentional arrays and nested tables
 >> Unlimited nested and overlapping hyperlinks and transclussions
 >> Tempo, pausing, pitch, volume, and percussive contrast
 >> Ontological association network mapping between any chunk or chunk
 >> type
 >>
 >> A simple, intuitive and robust interface and functional library to
 >> address and effect these objects at every hierarchy of the
 >> grammatical stack.


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 16:22:36 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:22:36 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090821202239.SSVD5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

I didn't mean to imply that it would be easy.  I am saying it is important. Much more important than the crap we get caught up in simply because the tools exist.  Apple has a core technology in its text services tools that breaks text into base phonems and is language agnostic.  Semantic processing will open up a whole new world to computer application.  There are reasonable steps that can be taken right now that are no more absurd than what hypercard was to programming when it was revolutionary twenty some years ago.

randall

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:05 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall Reetz wrote:

 > These functions can be written upon a meta-grammatical base
 > that will work across languages.  Rev already does this in
 > limited ways.  I find these limits absurd and backwards.
 > Provencial even.  It is long past time to ask the big
 > questions of computing as a field.  We follow as sheep,
 > even when we are in charge of computing's future.

Perhaps you could enlighten RunRev and the rest of us "sheep" by 
providing scripted versions of these functions you'd like to see in the 
engine?

 From your description it doesn't sound like it would take much time.


 > -----Original Message-----
 > On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:16, Randall Reetz wrote:
 >
 >> In addition to syllables, the system should be able to identify the
 >> following textual chunks:
 >> Characters
 >> Phonems
 >> Words
 >> Parts of speech (phrases)
 >> subject/object
 >> Semantic roots
 >> Sentences
 >> Paragraphs
 >> Sections
 >> Volumes
 >> Sets
 >> Lists
 >> Multidimentional arrays and nested tables
 >> Unlimited nested and overlapping hyperlinks and transclussions
 >> Tempo, pausing, pitch, volume, and percussive contrast
 >> Ontological association network mapping between any chunk or chunk
 >> type
 >>
 >> A simple, intuitive and robust interface and functional library to
 >> address and effect these objects at every hierarchy of the
 >> grammatical stack.


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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 16:37:55 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:37:55 +0300
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090821193816.KOCZ5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090821193816.KOCZ5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <4A8F05A3.70603@gmail.com>

Randall Reetz wrote:
> I am never sarcastic.  These functions can be written upon a meta-grammatical base that will work across languages.  Rev already does this in limited ways.  I find these limits absurd and backwards.
Really! Get on and rewrite the functions that can cope with all spoken 
human languages . . . I tell you what, . . .
the world will beat a path to your door faster than you can draw breath!

[ I am OFTEN sarcastic; often when people don't stop and have a good 
think before they start pumping out
universalist proposals. ]
>   Provencial even. 
Might be a good idea to spell "Provincial" properly; and, come to think 
of it, you are using the word in an incorrect
fashion:

"1 of or concerning a province of a country or empire : provincial 
elections.
? of or pertaining to a style of architecture or furniture in fashion in 
the provinces of various European countries : French Provincial furnishing.
2 of or concerning the regions outside the capital city of a country : 
scenes of violence were reported in provincial towns.
? unsophisticated or narrow-minded, esp. when considered as typical of 
such regions."

[ OED ]

[ Mind you, for all I know, some of the programmers in Edinburgh may 
have their houses stuffed with French Provincial furnishing
(from Provencal, no doubt) . . . Oh, God, my Quaternary education is 
just such a burden . . . :) ]
>  It is long past time to ask the big questions of computing as a field.  We follow as sheep, 
Meh, Meh . . . having worked many summers on farms with sheep I probably 
feel more respect for them than you do.
(lost both my big toenails about 25 years ago as a 'Yow' didn't fancy me 
as her hairdresser and stepped on my toes with her
nippy sharp feet . . . if you are coming to the Edinburgh conference 
remember to ask me to take my socks off so you can see.)
> even when we are in charge of computing's future.
>   
Gosh . . . sounds awfully like something a Hare Krsna guru once said; 
"We are in charge of humanity's future." BULL!
> randall
>
>   
"meta-grammatical" . . . hmpf . . . this presupposes 2 things:

1. Languages are all written using Alphabets;

i.e. not syllabaries (e.g. Japanese, Sanskrit)

not ideographic systems (e.g Chinese)

2. All languages are based on the highly hypothetical "deep-structure"
proposed by Generative Grammar.

As #1 is just not true, and #2 has been shown to be a reasonably useful
theory that is shot full of holes (Generativists have to keep tweaking
the theory as they discover new problems thrown up by languages that
were not considered in Chomsky's original theory - and some languages
just refuse to fit); unlike all computer languages which can be "boiled
down" to Zeros and Ones; this is NOT going to happen.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Think back to the end of the 19th century when Carnap and Russell
were trying to find "the unified theory of everything"; most of us have
left that late teenage mentality behind and realised that our
universe is extremely complicated, and, probably, will never be
explained completely in mechanistic.materialistic terms.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Back to the Sanskrit.

Kisses, Richmond.


From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 16:38:59 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:38:59 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090821202239.SSVD5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090821202239.SSVD5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <B42CD3C3-F310-4F66-9579-7C1981F3124D@randallreetz.com>

Sorry, I have been spelling "phoneme" wrong.  Here is a link to the  
apple tech to which I refereed:

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Mac/Sound/Sound-201.html

It is part of the text-to-speech tool box.  Makes sense.  And it is  
available to all.  I would be surprised if something similar wasn't  
also available in Windows and Unix.  It works in reference to  
language-specific libraries, and is thus portable and localizable.

On the Mac, SuperCard used to provide a hook into this functionality  
(maybe through an external).

Randall

On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:

> I didn't mean to imply that it would be easy.  I am saying it is  
> important. Much more important than the crap we get caught up in  
> simply because the tools exist.  Apple has a core technology in its  
> text services tools that breaks text into base phonems and is  
> language agnostic.  Semantic processing will open up a whole new  
> world to computer application.  There are reasonable steps that can  
> be taken right now that are no more absurd than what hypercard was  
> to programming when it was revolutionary twenty some years ago.
>
> randall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:05 PM
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words
>
> Randall Reetz wrote:
>
>> These functions can be written upon a meta-grammatical base
>> that will work across languages.  Rev already does this in
>> limited ways.  I find these limits absurd and backwards.
>> Provencial even.  It is long past time to ask the big
>> questions of computing as a field.  We follow as sheep,
>> even when we are in charge of computing's future.
>
> Perhaps you could enlighten RunRev and the rest of us "sheep" by
> providing scripted versions of these functions you'd like to see in  
> the
> engine?
>
>  From your description it doesn't sound like it would take much time.
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:16, Randall Reetz wrote:
>>
>>> In addition to syllables, the system should be able to identify the
>>> following textual chunks:
>>> Characters
>>> Phonems
>>> Words
>>> Parts of speech (phrases)
>>> subject/object
>>> Semantic roots
>>> Sentences
>>> Paragraphs
>>> Sections
>>> Volumes
>>> Sets
>>> Lists
>>> Multidimentional arrays and nested tables
>>> Unlimited nested and overlapping hyperlinks and transclussions
>>> Tempo, pausing, pitch, volume, and percussive contrast
>>> Ontological association network mapping between any chunk or chunk
>>> type
>>>
>>> A simple, intuitive and robust interface and functional library to
>>> address and effect these objects at every hierarchy of the
>>> grammatical stack.
>
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 16:41:40 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:41:40 +0300
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <B42CD3C3-F310-4F66-9579-7C1981F3124D@randallreetz.com>
References: <20090821202239.SSVD5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
	<B42CD3C3-F310-4F66-9579-7C1981F3124D@randallreetz.com>
Message-ID: <4A8F0684.6070007@gmail.com>

Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
> Sorry, I have been spelling "phoneme" wrong.  Here is a link to the 
> apple tech to which I refereed:
>
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Mac/Sound/Sound-201.html
>
It really doesn't matter how bad or good your spelling is; phonemes and 
syllables are not
always the same.

Both, are notoriously subjective.


From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 16:44:50 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 13:44:50 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090821204453.WQDJ5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

All those words in rebuttal and not one of them addressing the actual meaning of my posts.  Sad.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:37 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall Reetz wrote:
> I am never sarcastic.  These functions can be written upon a meta-grammatical base that will work across languages.  Rev already does this in limited ways.  I find these limits absurd and backwards.
Really! Get on and rewrite the functions that can cope with all spoken 
human languages . . . I tell you what, . . .
the world will beat a path to your door faster than you can draw breath!

[ I am OFTEN sarcastic; often when people don't stop and have a good 
think before they start pumping out
universalist proposals. ]
>   Provencial even. 
Might be a good idea to spell "Provincial" properly; and, come to think 
of it, you are using the word in an incorrect
fashion:

"1 of or concerning a province of a country or empire : provincial 
elections.
? of or pertaining to a style of architecture or furniture in fashion in 
the provinces of various European countries : French Provincial furnishing.
2 of or concerning the regions outside the capital city of a country : 
scenes of violence were reported in provincial towns.
? unsophisticated or narrow-minded, esp. when considered as typical of 
such regions."

[ OED ]

[ Mind you, for all I know, some of the programmers in Edinburgh may 
have their houses stuffed with French Provincial furnishing
(from Provencal, no doubt) . . . Oh, God, my Quaternary education is 
just such a burden . . . :) ]
>  It is long past time to ask the big questions of computing as a field.  We follow as sheep, 
Meh, Meh . . . having worked many summers on farms with sheep I probably 
feel more respect for them than you do.
(lost both my big toenails about 25 years ago as a 'Yow' didn't fancy me 
as her hairdresser and stepped on my toes with her
nippy sharp feet . . . if you are coming to the Edinburgh conference 
remember to ask me to take my socks off so you can see.)
> even when we are in charge of computing's future.
>   
Gosh . . . sounds awfully like something a Hare Krsna guru once said; 
"We are in charge of humanity's future." BULL!
> randall
>
>   
"meta-grammatical" . . . hmpf . . . this presupposes 2 things:

1. Languages are all written using Alphabets;

i.e. not syllabaries (e.g. Japanese, Sanskrit)

not ideographic systems (e.g Chinese)

2. All languages are based on the highly hypothetical "deep-structure"
proposed by Generative Grammar.

As #1 is just not true, and #2 has been shown to be a reasonably useful
theory that is shot full of holes (Generativists have to keep tweaking
the theory as they discover new problems thrown up by languages that
were not considered in Chomsky's original theory - and some languages
just refuse to fit); unlike all computer languages which can be "boiled
down" to Zeros and Ones; this is NOT going to happen.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Think back to the end of the 19th century when Carnap and Russell
were trying to find "the unified theory of everything"; most of us have
left that late teenage mentality behind and realised that our
universe is extremely complicated, and, probably, will never be
explained completely in mechanistic.materialistic terms.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Back to the Sanskrit.

Kisses, Richmond.
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Aug 21 16:47:26 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:47:26 -0400
Subject: PostgreSQL support in SQL Yoga
Message-ID: <0E89F8F0-CC7A-46F3-AA51-8D0B7051CBF6@mangomultimedia.com>

A number of people have asked about PostgreSQL support in SQL Yoga. A  
PostgreSQL database now passes all of the unit tests and I've updated  
the SQL Yoga download. Latest download, link to the new forum, link to  
webinar recording, sample application and docs are all available at:

<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/revolution/software/libraries/sql-yoga/ 
 >

Regards,

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From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 17:00:01 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:00:01 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <B42CD3C3-F310-4F66-9579-7C1981F3124D@randallreetz.com>
References: <20090821202239.SSVD5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
	<B42CD3C3-F310-4F66-9579-7C1981F3124D@randallreetz.com>
Message-ID: <A4827DBC-37AE-40F8-A170-B38698BB9D6A@randallreetz.com>

Here is a link to apple's developer info about the "Text Services"  
codec:

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/mac/text/Text-409.html

Apple offers a "text summary service" that will reduce a given hunk  
of text to any length specified.  I don't know, but I would be  
surprised if the hooks into this tech do not offer other meaningful  
functionality that could be used to produce semantically salient  
condensations of text that could then be folded into a more robust  
and friendly set of tools for the acquisition of meaning at some  
useful level.

Randall


On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote:

> Sorry, I have been spelling "phoneme" wrong.  Here is a link to the  
> apple tech to which I refereed:
>
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Mac/Sound/Sound-201.html
>
> It is part of the text-to-speech tool box.  Makes sense.  And it is  
> available to all.  I would be surprised if something similar wasn't  
> also available in Windows and Unix.  It works in reference to  
> language-specific libraries, and is thus portable and localizable.
>
> On the Mac, SuperCard used to provide a hook into this  
> functionality (maybe through an external).
>
> Randall
>
> On Aug 21, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Randall Reetz wrote:
>
>> I didn't mean to imply that it would be easy.  I am saying it is  
>> important. Much more important than the crap we get caught up in  
>> simply because the tools exist.  Apple has a core technology in  
>> its text services tools that breaks text into base phonems and is  
>> language agnostic.  Semantic processing will open up a whole new  
>> world to computer application.  There are reasonable steps that  
>> can be taken right now that are no more absurd than what hypercard  
>> was to programming when it was revolutionary twenty some years ago.
>>
>> randall
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:05 PM
>> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words
>>
>> Randall Reetz wrote:
>>
>>> These functions can be written upon a meta-grammatical base
>>> that will work across languages.  Rev already does this in
>>> limited ways.  I find these limits absurd and backwards.
>>> Provencial even.  It is long past time to ask the big
>>> questions of computing as a field.  We follow as sheep,
>>> even when we are in charge of computing's future.
>>
>> Perhaps you could enlighten RunRev and the rest of us "sheep" by
>> providing scripted versions of these functions you'd like to see  
>> in the
>> engine?
>>
>>  From your description it doesn't sound like it would take much time.
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> On 21 Aug 2009, at 19:16, Randall Reetz wrote:
>>>
>>>> In addition to syllables, the system should be able to identify the
>>>> following textual chunks:
>>>> Characters
>>>> Phonems
>>>> Words
>>>> Parts of speech (phrases)
>>>> subject/object
>>>> Semantic roots
>>>> Sentences
>>>> Paragraphs
>>>> Sections
>>>> Volumes
>>>> Sets
>>>> Lists
>>>> Multidimentional arrays and nested tables
>>>> Unlimited nested and overlapping hyperlinks and transclussions
>>>> Tempo, pausing, pitch, volume, and percussive contrast
>>>> Ontological association network mapping between any chunk or chunk
>>>> type
>>>>
>>>> A simple, intuitive and robust interface and functional library to
>>>> address and effect these objects at every hierarchy of the
>>>> grammatical stack.
>>
>>
>> --
>>   Richard Gaskin
>>   Fourth World
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 17:05:44 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:05:44 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090821210547.DAI5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Language is complex.  Solutions applied to this space will also be complex.  So what.  The benefits far outweigh the costs.  A perfect solution is not only impossible, it would be an absurd goal.  If google shows us anything, it is that relatively dumb code run across huge language sets can result in highly useful assessments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:41 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
> Sorry, I have been spelling "phoneme" wrong.  Here is a link to the 
> apple tech to which I refereed:
>
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Mac/Sound/Sound-201.html
>
It really doesn't matter how bad or good your spelling is; phonemes and 
syllables are not
always the same.

Both, are notoriously subjective.
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From jimschaubeck at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 21 17:10:38 2009
From: jimschaubeck at yahoo.com (Jim Schaubeck)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:10:38 -0700
Subject: RunRevPlanet SpellCheck Stack - User Defined dictionaries?
In-Reply-To: <4A8E2A44.5080702@hindu.org>
References: <4A8E2A44.5080702@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4A8F0D4E.2000508@yahoo.com>

When I wrote my own spell check, I had to erase some rather 
uncomfortable words out of the 120,000 word dictionary I used.  Some 
interesting words came up under "suggested" spellings :-( .  But adding 
dictionaries is very useful.  IE different medical, commercial terms, 
etc.  However I'm not familiar with the Runrev spell check stack.

Sivakatirswami wrote:
> Does anyone know if RunRevPlanet SpellCheck Stack  has the option to 
> install user defined dictionaries independently of the main 
> dictionary, to which words can be added in the spell checking process?
>
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From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Fri Aug 21 17:14:36 2009
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:14:36 -0700
Subject: Plug in problem with IE for Win XP Pro solved
Message-ID: <4A8F0E3C.9040708@castandcrew.com>

Greetings,

Per my last email, I reported trouble getting revlets to work with 
Internet Explorer.  I was pointed to the forum (and I will post there 
too) regarding a solution for Windows Vista which said the revlet had to 
be installed as the administrator.  That didn't work on Windows XP Pro, 
which is what we have at my work.

However, that was the right clue, so thank you.  The solution for 
Windows XP Pro, for me anyway (using IE 8, and recompiling the revlet 
with the latest beta version of Rev Enterprise) was to do the following:

*Download the revweb plug in, and save it, don't run it from the browser 
download
*Right click the file and choose "run as"
*Run as yourself (ie, whatever user you are logged in as, not administrator)
*In the 2nd dialog (wish I could send a screen shot) there is a little 
box under your name which says something about protect my computer
*It says, protect me from viruses etc etc.  That is checked by default.  
Uncheck that box
*Then continue with the install of the revweb plug in


After that, IE 8 was able to successfully run the web page with the 
revlet, without asking every time to download the plug in.

I tried this also with another user in a remote office, leading them 
through the steps on the phone.  I do not know which version of IE they 
have (6 is the company standard I'm told), and the page worked for them 
also.  This means it is not a networking issue or firewall rules issue 
or other problem peculiar to our company, in my opinion.

So, it's good news!  Whoo-hoo!

Cheers,
Sadhu


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Aug 21 18:00:02 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:00:02 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <4A8F18E2.3010006@fourthworld.com>

Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
> Sorry, I have been spelling "phoneme" wrong.  Here is a link to the  
> apple tech to which I refereed:
> 
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Mac/Sound/Sound-201.html

...which carries this warning:

   Legacy Document

   Important: The information in this document is obsolete
   and should not be used for new development.

Too bad.  I saw a video from an old WWDC (probably the same one in which 
they demoed the ill-fated HC3) in which the presenter had a text window 
with a slider control, and as he moved the slider the text would get 
more and more stripped down until it eventually showed only a sentence 
or two containing the most salient concepts.

Nifty demo, but given the nuances of language and its continual 
evolution (we live in a world where "bad" means "good" and "sick" means 
"great") I can understand why it's been ditched.

--
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 18:02:55 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:02:55 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090821220258.IIWT5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

The chunking and chunk identifier capability necessary to seriously engage automated semantic processing is not well served by tools that can only parameterize based on the dectection of space and return characters.  One can code their own natural language parsers, but this isn't trivial and doesn't leverage other users.  When I ask my self what an xtalk environment would have to be in order to be as revolutionary today as hypercard was a quarter century ago, semantic functions top my list.

randall   

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 2:05 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: RE: Syllabic division of words

Language is complex.  Solutions applied to this space will also be complex.  So what.  The benefits far outweigh the costs.  A perfect solution is not only impossible, it would be an absurd goal.  If google shows us anything, it is that relatively dumb code run across huge language sets can result in highly useful assessments.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:41 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
> Sorry, I have been spelling "phoneme" wrong.  Here is a link to the 
> apple tech to which I refereed:
>
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Mac/Sound/Sound-201.html
>
It really doesn't matter how bad or good your spelling is; phonemes and 
syllables are not
always the same.

Both, are notoriously subjective.
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 18:07:38 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:07:38 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090821220741.JZJM5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Richard, the doc is obsolete, not the technology.  Follow the link provided.  A little reading will go a long way...  Why are you hell bent on destroying this much needed tech and me in the process?

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:00 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
> Sorry, I have been spelling "phoneme" wrong.  Here is a link to the  
> apple tech to which I refereed:
> 
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Mac/Sound/Sound-201.html

...which carries this warning:

   Legacy Document

   Important: The information in this document is obsolete
   and should not be used for new development.

Too bad.  I saw a video from an old WWDC (probably the same one in which 
they demoed the ill-fated HC3) in which the presenter had a text window 
with a slider control, and as he moved the slider the text would get 
more and more stripped down until it eventually showed only a sentence 
or two containing the most salient concepts.

Nifty demo, but given the nuances of language and its continual 
evolution (we live in a world where "bad" means "good" and "sick" means 
"great") I can understand why it's been ditched.

--
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Aug 21 18:25:57 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:25:57 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <4A8F1EF5.3080102@fourthworld.com>

Randall Reetz wrote:

 > Richard, the doc is obsolete, not the technology.  Follow
 > the link provided.  A little reading will go a long way...

I did click the link.  It took me only to the index of all documents for 
the current audio API:

<http://developer.apple.com/referencelibrary/MusicAudio/>

If you have a URL to a current implementation of this technology it 
would save some hunting.

If a current API for this is supported it would be an interesting read, 
but it's less important to me than the other technologies I'm 
researching so forgive me if I don't do the hunt myself.


 > Why are you hell bent on destroying this much needed tech
 > and me in the process?

Sorry if I ruffled feathers; not my intention.  On the contrary, I 
agreed it was a way cool technology and offered an example of having 
seen it in action confirming its rather mind-blowing coolness.

If you had meant to provide a URL to a supported technology I can 
certainly understand a simple mistake, but if it's not supported it's of 
little long-term value.

And even if it were, as you noted this stuff isn't simple:  Apple can 
provide an API for it, but what would a multi-platform tool like Rev do 
for Windows and Linux?  I agree that it would be attractive, but I also 
agree it would be expensive.


 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
 > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:00 PM
 > To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
 > Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words
 >
 > Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
 >> Sorry, I have been spelling "phoneme" wrong.  Here is a link to the
 >> apple tech to which I refereed:
 >>
 >> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Mac/Sound/Sound-201.html
 >
 > ...which carries this warning:
 >
 >    Legacy Document
 >
 >    Important: The information in this document is obsolete
 >    and should not be used for new development.
 >
 > Too bad.  I saw a video from an old WWDC (probably the same one
 > in which they demoed the ill-fated HC3) in which the presenter
 > had a text window with a slider control, and as he moved the
 > slider the text would get more and more stripped down until it
 > eventually showed only a sentence or two containing the most
 > salient concepts.
 >
 > Nifty demo, but given the nuances of language and its continual
 > evolution (we live in a world where "bad" means "good" and "sick"
 > means "great") I can understand why it's been ditched.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com



From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 18:59:29 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:59:29 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090821225931.GJND10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Somewhere in the apple, microsoft, and unix tech there is code that exposes the phonetic mapping to syllabic chunking within a word or phrase.  It is usually in os best interest to expose hooks into core services to encourage application writing attention.  My point is that this functionality is best placed deep down in the computing stack, not up at the application level where only a small user group can benefit.  If the rev user is required to hunt for external api's... well, forget it.  Not interested.

I am a realist in the extreme richard.  If I advocate a technology its because it is both important and possible.  Mostly I care about tools that can reach down to some salient and causal or formative base that maps structure across domains, access to the control of which will open huge new territories of understanding and automation.  The automation of meaning is to my mind the gateway to vast future exploration and exploitation of complexity.  If I could think of a more important avenue towards the most fecund of futures, I would be working towards that instead.

randall

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:25 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall Reetz wrote:

 > Richard, the doc is obsolete, not the technology.  Follow
 > the link provided.  A little reading will go a long way...

I did click the link.  It took me only to the index of all documents for 
the current audio API:

<http://developer.apple.com/referencelibrary/MusicAudio/>

If you have a URL to a current implementation of this technology it 
would save some hunting.

If a current API for this is supported it would be an interesting read, 
but it's less important to me than the other technologies I'm 
researching so forgive me if I don't do the hunt myself.


 > Why are you hell bent on destroying this much needed tech
 > and me in the process?

Sorry if I ruffled feathers; not my intention.  On the contrary, I 
agreed it was a way cool technology and offered an example of having 
seen it in action confirming its rather mind-blowing coolness.

If you had meant to provide a URL to a supported technology I can 
certainly understand a simple mistake, but if it's not supported it's of 
little long-term value.

And even if it were, as you noted this stuff isn't simple:  Apple can 
provide an API for it, but what would a multi-platform tool like Rev do 
for Windows and Linux?  I agree that it would be attractive, but I also 
agree it would be expensive.


 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
 > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 3:00 PM
 > To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
 > Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words
 >
 > Randall Lee Reetz wrote:
 >> Sorry, I have been spelling "phoneme" wrong.  Here is a link to the
 >> apple tech to which I refereed:
 >>
 >> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Mac/Sound/Sound-201.html
 >
 > ...which carries this warning:
 >
 >    Legacy Document
 >
 >    Important: The information in this document is obsolete
 >    and should not be used for new development.
 >
 > Too bad.  I saw a video from an old WWDC (probably the same one
 > in which they demoed the ill-fated HC3) in which the presenter
 > had a text window with a slider control, and as he moved the
 > slider the text would get more and more stripped down until it
 > eventually showed only a sentence or two containing the most
 > salient concepts.
 >
 > Nifty demo, but given the nuances of language and its continual
 > evolution (we live in a world where "bad" means "good" and "sick"
 > means "great") I can understand why it's been ditched.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 19:16:48 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:16:48 +1000
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090820194948.GCAO5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090820194948.GCAO5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908211616qd9e6874k2b04b7360dd23a76@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Randall Reetz<randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:
> This should be a standard function in any xtalk environment.


This sort of comment comes up every now  then and always makes me
laugh, no matter what feature it is referring to.

Rev has enormous flexibility, so we all use it in very different ways.
We all run into things that we want as part of the language, but you
have to consider the return on investment for RunRev. I have been a
member of this list for more years than I care to remember, and the
HyperCard list before that, and this is the FIRST time I have ever
come across anyone wanting syllabic division.
There is no way that RunRev would see this as a worthwhile allocation
of their resources and I for one would be extremely irritated if such
a specialised request got their attention, when there are basic
features that we all would use that still need to be implemented.

So by all means ask for help on the list, but don't assume that
something should be part of the language, just because you have a
sudden need for it.

Regards,
Sarah


From index at kenjikojima.com  Fri Aug 21 19:25:04 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:25:04 -0400
Subject: Disabled Shortcut Command+Q on MacOS
In-Reply-To: <D2BAAE56-D95F-4E96-BFE7-5AD6D6CDD938@byu.edu>
References: <B8FE568C-1DB7-420D-AB45-450025B64514@kenjikojima.com>
	<D2BAAE56-D95F-4E96-BFE7-5AD6D6CDD938@byu.edu>
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Mark, Devin

AppleEvent worked what I wanted.
ShutdownRequest worked too, but I needed force quit.

Thank you very much,
--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/





From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 19:58:40 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:58:40 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090821235842.OAIP10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

I have no sudden need for syllabic extraction.  It would be interesting, following your logic to ask mid 18th century people if they had a need for a personal computer or digital network.  Most people can't see past the widgets in front of them.  Thank god for the weirdos like bill atkinson who work towards what should be instead of what is. Do you really think there is something with more potential impact on the future of computing then effective meaning and natural language processing?  Do you imagine that I am interested because I want to put dots between syllables in some wacky personal dictionary re-invention waste-of-time hobby project in my wood-paneled den (after my train set and battle of nomandy miniatures are completed)?  Meaning processing has the potential to change everything.  If the blocks we all have in our creative little hands can self assemble into living breathing meaning machines (understanding not just executing instructions), the whole world changes in ways previous technology and infrastructure (plumbing, electricity, radio, rail, gas engines, powered flight, even programmable computation) were but small hills in comparison.

I have written simple stochastic parsing schemes that give me salient topic information about any text I throw at them.  How much better my meaning abstractions would be if I had access to more info than which strings sat between space characters.

Us old folk have a tendency to cast computing in binary absolutes, we look to applications that give a single answer that can be cast easily as other correct or the result of a bug.  But meaning is much fuzzier than arithmetics.  We are intimate with this fuzziness... It is how our own computers (brains) work.  Even so, we often reject computation that flirt and struggles with truth at levels of complexity that real systems of any interest exhibit.

There is a whole world of possibilities beyond the absolutist horizon of our own rather limited computational history.

What would be as revolutionary today as hypercard was twenty some years ago?

randall     

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:16 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Randall Reetz<randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:
> This should be a standard function in any xtalk environment.


This sort of comment comes up every now  then and always makes me
laugh, no matter what feature it is referring to.

Rev has enormous flexibility, so we all use it in very different ways.
We all run into things that we want as part of the language, but you
have to consider the return on investment for RunRev. I have been a
member of this list for more years than I care to remember, and the
HyperCard list before that, and this is the FIRST time I have ever
come across anyone wanting syllabic division.
There is no way that RunRev would see this as a worthwhile allocation
of their resources and I for one would be extremely irritated if such
a specialised request got their attention, when there are basic
features that we all would use that still need to be implemented.

So by all means ask for help on the list, but don't assume that
something should be part of the language, just because you have a
sudden need for it.

Regards,
Sarah
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 21 21:51:36 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:51:36 -0500
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090821235842.OAIP10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090821235842.OAIP10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <4A8F4F28.1020602@hyperactivesw.com>

Randall Reetz wrote:
> How much better my
> meaning abstractions would be if I had access to more info than which
> strings sat between space characters.
...
> 
> What would be as revolutionary today as hypercard was twenty some
> years ago?

What you're asking for is a whole field in itself, not a goal for a 
development environment. I know someone who has been working on computer 
AI for 10 or 15 years, trying to parse natural language into meaning, 
using xtalk as far back as HyperCard. This isn't a detour I want RR to 
take. But you could. Write it yourself.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From runrevplanet at smpcs.server101.com  Fri Aug 21 22:02:29 2009
From: runrevplanet at smpcs.server101.com (RunRevPlanet)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:02:29 +1000
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 71, Issue 34
In-Reply-To: <20090821170005.3FDEC48B75F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090821170005.3FDEC48B75F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4A8F51B5.3030400@smpcs.server101.com>

Sivakatirswami,

The RunRevPlanet SpellCheck Stack does not currently have the option of 
adding new "main" dictionaries. It does have the option of the "custom" 
dictionary, which is the file RRPCUSTOM.DIC (it is a plain text file 
with one word per line) that is allows the spelling to know how to spell 
extra words in addition to those already in the active main dictionary.

The ability to add user defined main dictionaries is high on the list of 
   To Do items for the RunRevPlanet SpellCheck Stack. At this stage, 
being able to add user defined dictionaries is planned as part of a 
"point zero something" version update which will be free to licensed 
developers.
-- 
Scott McDonald

RunRevPlanet.com
"Components, Stacks, Tools and Resources for Runtime Revolution"
www.runrevplanet.com

Scott McDonald PC Services
ABN: 20 586 027 242
PO Box 139
Newtown NSW 2042 Australia
Email: runrevplanet at smpcs.server101.com


From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 23:02:58 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:02:58 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822030259.USUT5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

What would it take to scare a bunch of computers jockeys?  Not much.  Innovation?  You don't get on top of everest in one leap.  And you don't wait around for miracles if you want to move up a hill.  Nobody is asking for perfection or completion here.  Just some baby steps.  Phonemic and phrase chunking isn't exactly rocket science.  But it is if you expect it to be pulled of at the scale of user level scripting.  Hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains would be a fairly simple addition as well.  Oh well.  I have been well whipped for speaking out for what WILL matter.  God forbid  we go there first.  Scared, controlling, and mean spirited.  That is exactly what I have come to expect of geeks.  Sad. 

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 6:51 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall Reetz wrote:
> How much better my
> meaning abstractions would be if I had access to more info than which
> strings sat between space characters.
...
> 
> What would be as revolutionary today as hypercard was twenty some
> years ago?

What you're asking for is a whole field in itself, not a goal for a 
development environment. I know someone who has been working on computer 
AI for 10 or 15 years, trying to parse natural language into meaning, 
using xtalk as far back as HyperCard. This isn't a detour I want RR to 
take. But you could. Write it yourself.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Fri Aug 21 23:13:14 2009
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:13:14 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090822030259.USUT5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <C6B4B05A.408AC%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

Try WordNet: <http://wordnet.princeton.edu/>


On 8/21/09 8:02 PM, "Randall Reetz" <randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:

> Hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains would be a fairly simple addition as
> well.




From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Fri Aug 21 23:18:29 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:18:29 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090822030259.USUT5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090822030259.USUT5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908212018g741205d4ra3fb389990075903@mail.gmail.com>

Good ideas. We're a bunch of working stiffs here; I'm sure we can do it for
the right hourly. You have the pick of the best of us here on this list.If
you've got the funding, I"m ready to go. Not afraid at all. We'll need a
little while.

Bill Atkinson was well funded and supported and was fortunate to work in a
think tank, and with a company that gave him a lot of rope.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/21 Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>

> What would it take to scare a bunch of computers jockeys?  Not much.
>  Innovation?  You don't get on top of everest in one leap.  And you don't
> wait around for miracles if you want to move up a hill.  Nobody is asking
> for perfection or completion here.  Just some baby steps.  Phonemic and
> phrase chunking isn't exactly rocket science.  But it is if you expect it to
> be pulled of at the scale of user level scripting.  Hierarchical thesaurus
> semantic chains would be a fairly simple addition as well.  Oh well.  I have
> been well whipped for speaking out for what WILL matter.  God forbid  we go
> there first.  Scared, controlling, and mean spirited.  That is exactly what
> I have come to expect of geeks.  Sad.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 6:51 PM
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words
>
> Randall Reetz wrote:
> > How much better my
> > meaning abstractions would be if I had access to more info than which
> > strings sat between space characters.
> ...
> >
> > What would be as revolutionary today as hypercard was twenty some
> > years ago?
>
> What you're asking for is a whole field in itself, not a goal for a
> development environment. I know someone who has been working on computer
> AI for 10 or 15 years, trying to parse natural language into meaning,
> using xtalk as far back as HyperCard. This isn't a detour I want RR to
> take. But you could. Write it yourself.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 23:19:38 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:19:38 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822031940.WOHU5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Did I ask for perfect parsing?  Do humans do perfect parsing?  I don't even think I asked for parsing at all.  I asked for a twenty five year overdue update to text tools.  Do you think allan kay would have stopped at paganation if he had been re-inventing computing today?  It is tragically laughable how provincial we have become.  "Computer Innovation" has digressed as a phrase into an oxymoron.  The simple graphics primitives provided aren't exactly what they could be, but I have done more with them than I would have had I had to build a screen blitter on my own.  So sad who we have become.  

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:02 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: RE: Syllabic division of words

What would it take to scare a bunch of computers jockeys?  Not much.  Innovation?  You don't get on top of everest in one leap.  And you don't wait around for miracles if you want to move up a hill.  Nobody is asking for perfection or completion here.  Just some baby steps.  Phonemic and phrase chunking isn't exactly rocket science.  But it is if you expect it to be pulled of at the scale of user level scripting.  Hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains would be a fairly simple addition as well.  Oh well.  I have been well whipped for speaking out for what WILL matter.  God forbid  we go there first.  Scared, controlling, and mean spirited.  That is exactly what I have come to expect of geeks.  Sad. 

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 6:51 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall Reetz wrote:
> How much better my
> meaning abstractions would be if I had access to more info than which
> strings sat between space characters.
...
> 
> What would be as revolutionary today as hypercard was twenty some
> years ago?

What you're asking for is a whole field in itself, not a goal for a 
development environment. I know someone who has been working on computer 
AI for 10 or 15 years, trying to parse natural language into meaning, 
using xtalk as far back as HyperCard. This isn't a detour I want RR to 
take. But you could. Write it yourself.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 23:21:33 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:21:33 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822032135.WXJD5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Been working with wordnet since it was published.  That is a scripting level solution.  Not for the average joe.  doesn't scale and can't be easily leveraged across a group of scriptors.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Kriesel <dick.kriesel at mail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:13 PM
To: use-rev <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Try WordNet: <http://wordnet.princeton.edu/>


On 8/21/09 8:02 PM, "Randall Reetz" <randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:

> Hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains would be a fairly simple addition as
> well.


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From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 23:22:41 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:22:41 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822032243.XAAS5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

He was more than that.  He fought for what mattered.  He fought the big battles for what would be...

-----Original Message-----
From: stephen barncard <stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:18 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Good ideas. We're a bunch of working stiffs here; I'm sure we can do it for
the right hourly. You have the pick of the best of us here on this list.If
you've got the funding, I"m ready to go. Not afraid at all. We'll need a
little while.

Bill Atkinson was well funded and supported and was fortunate to work in a
think tank, and with a company that gave him a lot of rope.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/21 Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>

> What would it take to scare a bunch of computers jockeys?  Not much.
>  Innovation?  You don't get on top of everest in one leap.  And you don't
> wait around for miracles if you want to move up a hill.  Nobody is asking
> for perfection or completion here.  Just some baby steps.  Phonemic and
> phrase chunking isn't exactly rocket science.  But it is if you expect it to
> be pulled of at the scale of user level scripting.  Hierarchical thesaurus
> semantic chains would be a fairly simple addition as well.  Oh well.  I have
> been well whipped for speaking out for what WILL matter.  God forbid  we go
> there first.  Scared, controlling, and mean spirited.  That is exactly what
> I have come to expect of geeks.  Sad.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 6:51 PM
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words
>
> Randall Reetz wrote:
> > How much better my
> > meaning abstractions would be if I had access to more info than which
> > strings sat between space characters.
> ...
> >
> > What would be as revolutionary today as hypercard was twenty some
> > years ago?
>
> What you're asking for is a whole field in itself, not a goal for a
> development environment. I know someone who has been working on computer
> AI for 10 or 15 years, trying to parse natural language into meaning,
> using xtalk as far back as HyperCard. This isn't a detour I want RR to
> take. But you could. Write it yourself.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Fri Aug 21 23:30:49 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 20:30:49 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822033050.XWYF5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Maybe it just sounds strange that someone should care about computing itself, about how best to leverage human innovation and creative energy.  Old fashioned and strangely humanistic concepts in a world me first libertarians.  What motivated allan kay, doug engelbart, ted nelson?  Whatever it is, it is hard to find in computing today.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:21 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: RE: Syllabic division of words

Been working with wordnet since it was published.  That is a scripting level solution.  Not for the average joe.  doesn't scale and can't be easily leveraged across a group of scriptors.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Kriesel <dick.kriesel at mail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:13 PM
To: use-rev <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Try WordNet: <http://wordnet.princeton.edu/>


On 8/21/09 8:02 PM, "Randall Reetz" <randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:

> Hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains would be a fairly simple addition as
> well.


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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 00:29:51 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:29:51 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822042952.DZXK5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

When I read suggestions on this list, the last thing I feel is a need to step in chastise.  What gives.  How does a suggestion afflict people so?  Maybe people feel overly responsible?  Maybe people are waiting for some particular feature and feel that suggestions might derail these hoped for efforts?  Maybe people fear that a suggestion makes rev seem less valuable as a product?

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:30 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: RE: Syllabic division of words

Maybe it just sounds strange that someone should care about computing itself, about how best to leverage human innovation and creative energy.  Old fashioned and strangely humanistic concepts in a world me first libertarians.  What motivated allan kay, doug engelbart, ted nelson?  Whatever it is, it is hard to find in computing today.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:21 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: RE: Syllabic division of words

Been working with wordnet since it was published.  That is a scripting level solution.  Not for the average joe.  doesn't scale and can't be easily leveraged across a group of scriptors.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dick Kriesel <dick.kriesel at mail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 8:13 PM
To: use-rev <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Try WordNet: <http://wordnet.princeton.edu/>


On 8/21/09 8:02 PM, "Randall Reetz" <randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:

> Hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains would be a fairly simple addition as
> well.


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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 00:45:19 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:45:19 +1000
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090821235842.OAIP10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090821235842.OAIP10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908212145k42663229k9fee29abefbe22f8@mail.gmail.com>

Since my last attempt made no impact, let me try putting it another way.
Revolution is like a Meccano set, which gives us pieces to make
whatever we want.
Most of us want extra nuts & bolts, longer braces, different angles
etc. to use in our own constructions.
You are asking for a fully operational machine to be included in the
basic set, and while there is no harm in asking, I find your
assumption that the advanced programming you want should be a vital
part of the environment to be naive and irritating.

However, I have stated my view point and I can see I am not going to
change yours, so we must agree to differ.

Regards,
Sarah



On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Randall Reetz<randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:
> I have no sudden need for syllabic extraction. ?It would be interesting, following your logic to ask mid 18th century people if they had a need for a personal computer or digital network. ?Most people can't see past the widgets in front of them. ?Thank god for the weirdos like bill atkinson who work towards what should be instead of what is. Do you really think there is something with more potential impact on the future of computing then effective meaning and natural language processing? ?Do you imagine that I am interested because I want to put dots between syllables in some wacky personal dictionary re-invention waste-of-time hobby project in my wood-paneled den (after my train set and battle of nomandy miniatures are completed)? ?Meaning processing has the potential to change everything. ?If the blocks we all have in our creative little hands can self assemble into living breathing meaning machines (understanding not just executing instructions), the whole world changes in ways previous technology and infrastructure (plumbing, electricity, radio, rail, gas engines, powered flight, even programmable computation) were but small hills in comparison.
>
> I have written simple stochastic parsing schemes that give me salient topic information about any text I throw at them. ?How much better my meaning abstractions would be if I had access to more info than which strings sat between space characters.
>
> Us old folk have a tendency to cast computing in binary absolutes, we look to applications that give a single answer that can be cast easily as other correct or the result of a bug. ?But meaning is much fuzzier than arithmetics. ?We are intimate with this fuzziness... It is how our own computers (brains) work. ?Even so, we often reject computation that flirt and struggles with truth at levels of complexity that real systems of any interest exhibit.
>
> There is a whole world of possibilities beyond the absolutist horizon of our own rather limited computational history.
>
> What would be as revolutionary today as hypercard was twenty some years ago?
>
> randall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:16 PM
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Randall Reetz<randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:
>> This should be a standard function in any xtalk environment.
>
>
> This sort of comment comes up every now ?then and always makes me
> laugh, no matter what feature it is referring to.
>
> Rev has enormous flexibility, so we all use it in very different ways.
> We all run into things that we want as part of the language, but you
> have to consider the return on investment for RunRev. I have been a
> member of this list for more years than I care to remember, and the
> HyperCard list before that, and this is the FIRST time I have ever
> come across anyone wanting syllabic division.
> There is no way that RunRev would see this as a worthwhile allocation
> of their resources and I for one would be extremely irritated if such
> a specialised request got their attention, when there are basic
> features that we all would use that still need to be implemented.
>
> So by all means ask for help on the list, but don't assume that
> something should be part of the language, just because you have a
> sudden need for it.


From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 01:50:56 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:50:56 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822055057.LICL5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

What part of the set do you say is not a machine or was not considered a machine at the time it was coded.  What assumptions are you making about what I am asking for?  What fears are driving your angry and hyper-protective stance?  What nuts and bolts does my suggestion endanger?  I have put my suggestions and the reasons for them openly on the table.  Your turn.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 9:45 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Since my last attempt made no impact, let me try putting it another way.
Revolution is like a Meccano set, which gives us pieces to make
whatever we want.
Most of us want extra nuts & bolts, longer braces, different angles
etc. to use in our own constructions.
You are asking for a fully operational machine to be included in the
basic set, and while there is no harm in asking, I find your
assumption that the advanced programming you want should be a vital
part of the environment to be naive and irritating.

However, I have stated my view point and I can see I am not going to
change yours, so we must agree to differ.

Regards,
Sarah



On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Randall Reetz<randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:
> I have no sudden need for syllabic extraction. ?It would be interesting, following your logic to ask mid 18th century people if they had a need for a personal computer or digital network. ?Most people can't see past the widgets in front of them. ?Thank god for the weirdos like bill atkinson who work towards what should be instead of what is. Do you really think there is something with more potential impact on the future of computing then effective meaning and natural language processing? ?Do you imagine that I am interested because I want to put dots between syllables in some wacky personal dictionary re-invention waste-of-time hobby project in my wood-paneled den (after my train set and battle of nomandy miniatures are completed)? ?Meaning processing has the potential to change everything. ?If the blocks we all have in our creative little hands can self assemble into living breathing meaning machines (understanding not just executing instructions), the whole world changes in ways previous technology and infrastructure (plumbing, electricity, radio, rail, gas engines, powered flight, even programmable computation) were but small hills in comparison.
>
> I have written simple stochastic parsing schemes that give me salient topic information about any text I throw at them. ?How much better my meaning abstractions would be if I had access to more info than which strings sat between space characters.
>
> Us old folk have a tendency to cast computing in binary absolutes, we look to applications that give a single answer that can be cast easily as other correct or the result of a bug. ?But meaning is much fuzzier than arithmetics. ?We are intimate with this fuzziness... It is how our own computers (brains) work. ?Even so, we often reject computation that flirt and struggles with truth at levels of complexity that real systems of any interest exhibit.
>
> There is a whole world of possibilities beyond the absolutist horizon of our own rather limited computational history.
>
> What would be as revolutionary today as hypercard was twenty some years ago?
>
> randall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:16 PM
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 5:49 AM, Randall Reetz<randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:
>> This should be a standard function in any xtalk environment.
>
>
> This sort of comment comes up every now ?then and always makes me
> laugh, no matter what feature it is referring to.
>
> Rev has enormous flexibility, so we all use it in very different ways.
> We all run into things that we want as part of the language, but you
> have to consider the return on investment for RunRev. I have been a
> member of this list for more years than I care to remember, and the
> HyperCard list before that, and this is the FIRST time I have ever
> come across anyone wanting syllabic division.
> There is no way that RunRev would see this as a worthwhile allocation
> of their resources and I for one would be extremely irritated if such
> a specialised request got their attention, when there are basic
> features that we all would use that still need to be implemented.
>
> So by all means ask for help on the list, but don't assume that
> something should be part of the language, just because you have a
> sudden need for it.
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 22 02:20:47 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:20:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090821225931.GJND10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<20090821225931.GJND10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <25091038.post@talk.nabble.com>


Actually, i understand Randall petition. The task of syllabic (and phonemes) 
division for many languages was already done by the Research labs of Apple,
Microsoft, AT&T and many more private companies.

Probably, Applescript and VBScript allows to access these extraordinary
capabilities of the Operating System, inside Rev. Not only via
Text-to-Speech,
but using the underlaying technology that makes possible this conversion of
text-to-sound.

Returning to the topic of this thread:
Download the stack separacion_de_silabas.rev, from:
http://capellan2000.000space.com/separacion_de_silabas.zip

This stak is an example of how to divide in syllabes without
applying every one of the gramatical rules... :-O

On your browser, visit:
http://capellan2000.000space.com/test04.html
This revlet ask for permission to write to your disk
and access the network, but in fact it only set
the clipboard content and launch a webpage...

Please, report to my email, all incorrect examples of
syllabication that you encounter. ;-)

Thanks in advance!

alejandro


Randall Reetz wrote:
> 
> Somewhere in the apple, microsoft, and unix tech there is code that
> exposes the phonetic mapping to syllabic chunking within a word or phrase. 
> It is usually in os best interest to expose hooks into core services to
> encourage application writing attention.  My point is that this
> functionality is best placed deep down in the computing stack, not up at
> the application level where only a small user group can benefit.  If the
> rev user is required to hunt for external api's... well, forget it.  Not
> interested.
> 

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Aug 22 02:40:50 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:40:50 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <4A8F92F2.500@fourthworld.com>

alejandro wrote:
> Returning to the topic of this thread:
> Download the stack separacion_de_silabas.rev, from:
> http://capellan2000.000space.com/separacion_de_silabas.zip
> 
> This stak is an example of how to divide in syllabes without
> applying every one of the gramatical rules... :-O
> 
> On your browser, visit:
> http://capellan2000.000space.com/test04.html
> This revlet ask for permission to write to your disk
> and access the network, but in fact it only set
> the clipboard content and launch a webpage...
> 
> Please, report to my email, all incorrect examples of
> syllabication that you encounter. ;-)

Nicely done.  The downloadable stack, that is.  The RevLet through an 
error ("There was an error loading the revlet - failed to read revlet 
stack").

But the download - nice job, esp. in choosing the appropriate consonants 
to split on.

I always enjoy your stuff.  Thanks for posting that.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Sat Aug 22 02:54:28 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 23:54:28 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <25091038.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<20090821225931.GJND10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
	<25091038.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <96A914A3-46BD-4696-85C0-61E3C5AA393F@cruzio.com>

Very nice.  I had no trouble with the revlet using Safari... what a a  
great addition to Rev.

BTW, what algorithms  do word processing programs use for hyphenating?

Mark

On Aug 21, 2009, at 11:20 PM, capellan wrote:

>
> Actually, i understand Randall petition. The task of syllabic (and  
> phonemes)
> division for many languages was already done by the Research labs of  
> Apple,
> Microsoft, AT&T and many more private companies.
>
> Probably, Applescript and VBScript allows to access these  
> extraordinary
> capabilities of the Operating System, inside Rev. Not only via
> Text-to-Speech,
> but using the underlaying technology that makes possible this  
> conversion of
> text-to-sound.
>
> Returning to the topic of this thread:
> Download the stack separacion_de_silabas.rev, from:
> http://capellan2000.000space.com/separacion_de_silabas.zip
>
> This stak is an example of how to divide in syllabes without
> applying every one of the gramatical rules... :-O
>
> On your browser, visit:
> http://capellan2000.000space.com/test04.html
> This revlet ask for permission to write to your disk
> and access the network, but in fact it only set
> the clipboard content and launch a webpage...
>
> Please, report to my email, all incorrect examples of
> syllabication that you encounter. ;-)
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> alejandro
>
>
> Randall Reetz wrote:
>>
>> Somewhere in the apple, microsoft, and unix tech there is code that
>> exposes the phonetic mapping to syllabic chunking within a word or  
>> phrase.
>> It is usually in os best interest to expose hooks into core  
>> services to
>> encourage application writing attention.  My point is that this
>> functionality is best placed deep down in the computing stack, not  
>> up at
>> the application level where only a small user group can benefit.   
>> If the
>> rev user is required to hunt for external api's... well, forget  
>> it.  Not
>> interested.
>>
>
> -- 
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Syllabic-division-of-words-tp25037099p25091038.html
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 03:06:43 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:06:43 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822070644.PZJB5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

This really isn't an end in and of itself.  It is often meaningful to be able to derive root origins of words and this can be done faster if you can devise at syllables.  But parts of speech chunking is a more fruitful means of deriving meaning from text.  If one can't take the time to build a full parser, doing word order and neighbor proximity networks works if you have a large corpus to pre-populate your ontology.  I did word counting and found a range of words by percentage of length of text that were more likely to be the subject and objects of the text of focus.  Like image analysis, it is nice if you can reduce the size of your document before analysis.  What to throw out ends up being your most important question.  These are means of cheating.  This is how nature works.  I am not interested in perfection, just salience.  It is a numbers game.  If you only have one chunk of text, accuracy matters, but if you have a rich and continuous sorce, you can afford to be wrong once and a while. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 11:40 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re:  Syllabic division of words

alejandro wrote:
> Returning to the topic of this thread:
> Download the stack separacion_de_silabas.rev, from:
> http://capellan2000.000space.com/separacion_de_silabas.zip
> 
> This stak is an example of how to divide in syllabes without
> applying every one of the gramatical rules... :-O
> 
> On your browser, visit:
> http://capellan2000.000space.com/test04.html
> This revlet ask for permission to write to your disk
> and access the network, but in fact it only set
> the clipboard content and launch a webpage...
> 
> Please, report to my email, all incorrect examples of
> syllabication that you encounter. ;-)

Nicely done.  The downloadable stack, that is.  The RevLet through an 
error ("There was an error loading the revlet - failed to read revlet 
stack").

But the download - nice job, esp. in choosing the appropriate consonants 
to split on.

I always enjoy your stuff.  Thanks for posting that.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Aug 22 03:07:27 2009
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:07:27 +0200
Subject: memory saturating with a repeat loop
In-Reply-To: <25086324.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4371BDC1-BC9D-4D8C-97A3-32869D1AD935@inria.fr>
	<25086324.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D83D27E7-3C5D-4BEA-8ADB-347652BFDA6A@inria.fr>

Bonjour,
What an awesome list !
Thank you much Richard, Jim, Pierre and Bernd for your prompt answers  
and advices.
Given your help (and a good night :-) I feel far better!
I am just going to study them a bit more, but I already glimpse fairly  
clearly how I shall get my handlers free from "the long repeat  
loop" ;-))

Thanks again

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?
Le 21 ao?t 09 ? 21:50, BNig a ?crit :

>
> Andre,
> I ran into the same problem when analysing 3500 stacks distributed  
> over 3
> computers, over 1000 stacks on each. Rev crashed. In the repeat loop  
> version
> you could watch the memory go down in the activity monitor (on a  
> Mac) and
> once it went into virtual memory soon after it crashed.
> Than I did a send in time version and it went smoothly and fast even  
> though
> it was over a local area network.
> I made a bug report as a minor bug #6631 which has a demo stack that  
> shows
> how repeatedly loading a stack and deleting it afterwards crashes
> revolution. And there is the send in time version that avoids  
> crashing.
> Essentially it is like the code Richard has proposed.
>
> Once you get the idea of send in time constructs they are a) easy to  
> do and
> b) keep you out of trouble because Revolution can do it's  
> housekeeping while
> you do your long and tedious computing.
>
> It may be a design flaw to put that amount of data into that many  
> individual
> stacks but there were reasons for me to choose this approach. And  
> with the
> send in time approach all went well.
>
> regards
> Bernd
>
>
> Andre.Bisseret wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don"t see how I could avoid the repeat loop ? (how to use a "send  
>> in
>> time" structure ? is it instead of the repeat loop ??)





From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 22 03:28:36 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 00:28:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <96A914A3-46BD-4696-85C0-61E3C5AA393F@cruzio.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<20090821225931.GJND10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
	<25091038.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<96A914A3-46BD-4696-85C0-61E3C5AA393F@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <25091358.post@talk.nabble.com>



Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> Nicely done. The downloadable stack, that is.
> The RevLet through an error ("There was an error loading the revlet 
> failed to read revlet stack").
> But the download - nice job, esp. in choosing the appropriate consonants
> to split on.
> I always enjoy your stuff.  Thanks for posting that.
> 

Many thanks for your kind words!

This is an example of code, created like a quick hack
and (thanks to the versatility of revTalk) works mostly
as expected. :-D

Actually my stacks and code should be divided in two
broad categories: Full Awake and Half sleepy.

For example, this stack about syllabic division of words
fits nicely in the second category. Someday, when time
allows and being fully awake, i will check again this code
and rewrite it completely, probably in a long winded form.


Mark Swindell wrote:
> 
> Very nice.  I had no trouble with the revlet using Safari... what a a  
> great addition to Rev.
> BTW, what algorithms  do word processing programs use for hyphenating?
> 

Great to know that it works in Safari for Mac OS X.

Precisely, i was looking in the OpenOffice repository
of code, but was unable to find an explanation
of the algorithm.

Adding many more exceptions to syllabic division is
inevitable, so in others iterations of this stack,
it will be unavoidable to create an interface that allow
users to add (and test) their own exceptions.

Please, report to my email, all incorrect examples of
syllabication that you encounter. ;-)

Thanks in advance!
Have a nice weekend.

alejandro
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 04:30:10 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:30:10 +1000
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090822055057.LICL5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090822055057.LICL5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908220130t3e8acabeh91bc45737a564f06@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Randall Reetz<randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:
> What part of the set do you say is not a machine or was not considered a machine at the time it was coded. ?What assumptions are you making about what I am asking for? ?What fears are driving your angry and hyper-protective stance? ?What nuts and bolts does my suggestion endanger? ?I have put my suggestions and the reasons for them openly on the table. ?Your turn.


However, I have stated my view point and I can see I am not going to
change yours, so we must agree to differ.


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 04:52:54 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:52:54 +0100
Subject: memory saturating with a repeat loop
In-Reply-To: <25086324.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <4371BDC1-BC9D-4D8C-97A3-32869D1AD935@inria.fr>
	<25086324.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908220152m60e1cc85i7a0d276c2dfe22d3@mail.gmail.com>

I think Andre and Bernd may both have been victims of this bug:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2772

It seems crazy that we have so many different workarounds for a
fundamental bug.  Of course the workarounds offer an immediate
solution.  But there are other cases where crashes seem inexplicable
(and sometimes unreproducible) which might also be an effect of this
bug.  As Ben's comments in the bug report show, this bug can come back
and bite you in your deployed application.

This bug report is over 4 years old, and one of the people who
expressed interest in this bug being fixed subsequently quit using Rev
because of serious problems like this.  If you think that it is
important for the stability of your projects and the reputation of
Rev, then I would suggest you vote for this bug.

No more workarounds - Vote Yes on 2772!

Bernard


On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:50 PM, BNig<niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
>
> Andre,
> I ran into the same problem when analysing 3500 stacks distributed over 3
> computers, over 1000 stacks on each. Rev crashed. In the repeat loop version
> you could watch the memory go down in the activity monitor (on a Mac) and
> once it went into virtual memory soon after it crashed.


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sat Aug 22 05:02:36 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:02:36 +0100
Subject: memory saturating with a repeat loop
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0908220152m60e1cc85i7a0d276c2dfe22d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4371BDC1-BC9D-4D8C-97A3-32869D1AD935@inria.fr>
	<25086324.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908220152m60e1cc85i7a0d276c2dfe22d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25601E9B-B969-496D-A600-014D4C9045A6@azurevision.co.uk>


On 22 Aug 2009, at 09:52, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> I think Andre and Bernd may both have been victims of this bug:
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2772

They might have been, but the symptoms aren't quite the same.

I've had memory problems in a loop that imported a snapshot, resized  
it, saved a new snapshot to disk and then deleted the resized  
snapsnot. This grabbed RAM each loop, and eventually crashes the  
standalone app or the IDE if left running long enough - but unlike the  
linked bug it crashes with a standard OS 'this app has crashed'  
dialog, on both Windows and OS X. No halting halfway through a  
handler, no 'silent' crashes and no crashes leaving a window and icon  
visible.

Ian


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 05:17:47 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:17:47 +0100
Subject: memory saturating with a repeat loop
In-Reply-To: <25601E9B-B969-496D-A600-014D4C9045A6@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <4371BDC1-BC9D-4D8C-97A3-32869D1AD935@inria.fr>
	<25086324.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908220152m60e1cc85i7a0d276c2dfe22d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<25601E9B-B969-496D-A600-014D4C9045A6@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908220217v5a03e540hd24fc9f15f40f3f9@mail.gmail.com>

I've had both kinds of crashes. I'm just putting it forward that this
bug seems like a likely candidate given the descriptions of Andre and
Bernd. Have I missed something? They don't mention any OS crash
reporting occurring.

Bernard

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Ian Wood<revlist at azurevision.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On 22 Aug 2009, at 09:52, Bernard Devlin wrote:
>
>> I think Andre and Bernd may both have been victims of this bug:
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2772
>
> They might have been, but the symptoms aren't quite the same.
>
> I've had memory problems in a loop that imported a snapshot, resized it,
> saved a new snapshot to disk and then deleted the resized snapsnot. This
> grabbed RAM each loop, and eventually crashes the standalone app or the IDE
> if left running long enough - but unlike the linked bug it crashes with a
> standard OS 'this app has crashed' dialog, on both Windows and OS X. No
> halting halfway through a handler, no 'silent' crashes and no crashes
> leaving a window and icon visible.
>
> Ian


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 06:55:23 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:55:23 +0300
Subject: What is your idea of a "Summer Holiday" ?
In-Reply-To: <4A867916.5010805@gmail.com>
References: <4A867916.5010805@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A8FCE9B.30005@gmail.com>

My "holiday" largely seems to be getting repetitive
stress injury in both my wrists . . .

http://mathewson.110mb.com/midmad.html

click on the arrow that says "There's Mair!"

because there is . . .  :)

--------------------------------------------------------------

Mind you:

I would rather have damaged wrists from
programming something useful than skin
cancer from lying around on a beach out
of a misplaced obsession with the body
beautiful!


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Aug 22 08:41:30 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:41:30 +0200
Subject: ANN: ClearType Library for Windows XP and Vista
Message-ID: <19DF1FB0-9050-4516-BAE3-3A26910CBC85@economy-x-talk.com>

Hello,

The ClearType Library for Runtime Revolution enables you to retrieve  
information about the system font settings on Windows. The library  
provides information about anti-aliasing, font gamma, font smoothing  
orientation and font size. You may also use the library to change  
these settings, although this is not recommended.

This library is freeware but not in the public domain. You can use it  
as you like, but you can't modify it. Download the ClearType Library  
at <http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html> (see the bottom of the  
page).

Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com



From david at architex.tv  Sat Aug 22 11:37:44 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 16:37:44 +0100
Subject: Datagrid: dgFormattedHeight geometry question
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908220837v7f968209t555d1342b057abeb@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having problems with the geometry of a datagrid - I have a row template
of variable height with a disclosure toggle arrow - much like that in the
Webinar. The problem is that the row templates at the bottom of the
datagrid, when expanded do not increase the range of the vertical scrollbar
of the datagrid resulting in records which you are unable to scroll down to
view. RefreshList has no effect. The script I use to toggle the row
templates expanded info group is:

on DiscloseView someBoolean
>    lock screen
>    put the rect of me into oRect
>    set the visible of grp "Toggle" of me to someBoolean
>    LayoutControl oRect
>    RefreshList
>    unlock screen
> end DiscloseView
>

I am guessing that this technique does not properly change the
geometry/dgFormattedHeight of the datagrid - but before I try teh technique
used in the Webinar (adding a visible entry to the dgArray for each record)
- I thought it would be worth checking what is going on here - or is this a
bug?


From iangmcknight at googlemail.com  Sat Aug 22 12:15:22 2009
From: iangmcknight at googlemail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:15:22 +0100
Subject: Standalone not quitting completely
Message-ID: <c935444f0908220915h5bb5efabs4d98feb84f66e33a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I have a stack, consists of a splash stack and a substack, which I
have made into a standalone.

As I was testing the quit command, the 'X box' and the File> Quit
command in the standalone, I discovered that while the standalone
closes down ie all windows closed and no presence on the task bar,
there is a process running in the task manager having the same name as
my standalone. When I restart the standalone a separate process starts
in the Task Manager.

BTW the code I use to quit may standalone is
File > Quit uses the Quit command after asking confirmation
Using the X box I trap  closeStackRequest in a handler and after
confirmation, I close the splash stack and pass the closeStackRequest
message.
Either method still leaves the open precess.

I would welcome any suggestions as to how I might fix this.

I'm using revEnterprise 3.5 in Windows XP.



-- 
Regards and thanks


Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at googlemail.com
=======================


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Aug 22 12:28:01 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:28:01 +0200
Subject: Standalone not quitting completely
In-Reply-To: <c935444f0908220915h5bb5efabs4d98feb84f66e33a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c935444f0908220915h5bb5efabs4d98feb84f66e33a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <311F2B2C-9808-40EE-BDF7-05C9F2AD527A@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ian,

have a look at this script: <http://runrev.info/Quit%20your%20standalone.htm 
 >
You may need to adjust the script slightly, e.g. if you don't use  
MySQL you should comment out that part of the script.
Let me know whether this helps.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 22 aug 2009, at 18:15, Ian McKnight wrote:

> Hi
>
> I have a stack, consists of a splash stack and a substack, which I
> have made into a standalone.
>
> As I was testing the quit command, the 'X box' and the File> Quit
> command in the standalone, I discovered that while the standalone
> closes down ie all windows closed and no presence on the task bar,
> there is a process running in the task manager having the same name as
> my standalone. When I restart the standalone a separate process starts
> in the Task Manager.
>
> BTW the code I use to quit may standalone is
> File > Quit uses the Quit command after asking confirmation
> Using the X box I trap  closeStackRequest in a handler and after
> confirmation, I close the splash stack and pass the closeStackRequest
> message.
> Either method still leaves the open precess.
>
> I would welcome any suggestions as to how I might fix this.
>
> I'm using revEnterprise 3.5 in Windows XP.
>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards and thanks
>
>
> Ian McKnight



From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 12:54:19 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:54:19 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822165421.QPQD10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

You didn't state anything of your views.  All you have done is publicly shamed mine.  So I am asking you to tell us all what improvements to xtalk do you want and how my suggestions (or those of any other poor sap brave enough to out an opinion) so threaten your agenda or sensibilities.

Please,

randall

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:30 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Randall Reetz<randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:
> What part of the set do you say is not a machine or was not considered a machine at the time it was coded. ?What assumptions are you making about what I am asking for? ?What fears are driving your angry and hyper-protective stance? ?What nuts and bolts does my suggestion endanger? ?I have put my suggestions and the reasons for them openly on the table. ?Your turn.


However, I have stated my view point and I can see I am not going to
change yours, so we must agree to differ.
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Sat Aug 22 13:04:28 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 10:04:28 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090822030259.USUT5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090822030259.USUT5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <13B7D468-0BC4-45DC-A065-5D5FDEAA65F7@qldlearning.com>

Randall,

You seem to have a great thirst for striking down the state of  
technology, without actually contributing much to it, nor (as far as I  
can tell) understanding much about it. Here's an idea -- how about  
just discussing your ideas instead of chastising anyone who fails to  
grasp your genius?

Do you get upset about the lack of flying cars every time you change a  
tire, and call out engineers as afraid of innovation?

I have no idea what "hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains" are. Can  
you explain why I should want them in my development environment and  
give a concrete example? Or are you, as I suspect, just throwing  
around buzz words and condescension?

This is about how I react to your descriptions:
http://blogmaverick.com/2009/08/19/success-motivation-what-entrepreneurs-should-not-do/

I see lots of words and claims, but nary one little example of what  
you are actually trying to say.

> What would it take to scare a bunch of computers jockeys?  Not  
> much.  Innovation?  You don't get on top of everest in one leap.   
> And you don't wait around for miracles if you want to move up a  
> hill.  Nobody is asking for perfection or completion here.  Just  
> some baby steps.  Phonemic and phrase chunking isn't exactly rocket  
> science.  But it is if you expect it to be pulled of at the scale of  
> user level scripting.  Hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains would  
> be a fairly simple addition as well.  Oh well.  I have been well  
> whipped for speaking out for what WILL matter.  God forbid  we go  
> there first.  Scared, controlling, and mean spirited.  That is  
> exactly what I have come to expect of geeks.  Sad.



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Aug 22 13:52:26 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:52:26 +0200
Subject: Datagrid: dgFormattedHeight geometry question
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0908220837v7f968209t555d1342b057abeb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0908220837v7f968209t555d1342b057abeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56770877-08CB-447E-B305-84C94A8D9BCF@skynet.be>


Le 22-ao?t-09 ? 17:37, David Bovill a ?crit :

> I'm having problems with the geometry of a datagrid - I have a row  
> template
> of variable height with a disclosure toggle arrow - much like that  
> in the
> Webinar. The problem is that the row templates at the bottom of the
> datagrid, when expanded do not increase the range of the vertical  
> scrollbar
> of the datagrid resulting in records which you are unable to scroll  
> down to
> view. RefreshList has no effect. The script I use to toggle the row
> templates expanded info group is:
>
> on DiscloseView someBoolean
>>   lock screen
>>   put the rect of me into oRect
>>   set the visible of grp "Toggle" of me to someBoolean
>>   LayoutControl oRect
>>   RefreshList
>>   unlock screen
>> end DiscloseView
>>
>

Re,

this point has been discussed abundantly this month.
The ti :
you have to set your rect first
then adapt the foramattedHeight
and set the rect again

see :

the question :

http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg122882.html

and the solution:

http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg122922.html

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 14:15:05 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:15:05 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822181508.KWMZ5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Wow, I am intimately and directly involved on a daily and hourly actual productive labor towards these goals.  The assumptions you make without asking are sad.  I have dedicated my life to these goals.  I write code every day exactly towards these goals.  I advise corporations and startups on semantic technology and applying evolution to software and processing.  I have conversations with doug engelbart and others like him frequently.  But ideas don't have to be attacked as some of you seem driven to do.  Especially ideas as well thought through and defined as mine.  I can't remember ever reading a list like this and cultivating as some of you seem to be, for the opportunity to disqualify anything suggested that might present actual fodder for significant progress.  No tool no matter how perfect means much if it is available only to the few and the privileged.  Everything hypercard offered could be programmed in pascal or c or some data base api.  What set it apart was the way it offered these functions to the average joe.  But twenty five years have passed.  Much has changed.  Has xtalk kept up?

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Yennie <briany at qldlearning.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:04 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall,

You seem to have a great thirst for striking down the state of  
technology, without actually contributing much to it, nor (as far as I  
can tell) understanding much about it. Here's an idea -- how about  
just discussing your ideas instead of chastising anyone who fails to  
grasp your genius?

Do you get upset about the lack of flying cars every time you change a  
tire, and call out engineers as afraid of innovation?

I have no idea what "hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains" are. Can  
you explain why I should want them in my development environment and  
give a concrete example? Or are you, as I suspect, just throwing  
around buzz words and condescension?

This is about how I react to your descriptions:
http://blogmaverick.com/2009/08/19/success-motivation-what-entrepreneurs-should-not-do/

I see lots of words and claims, but nary one little example of what  
you are actually trying to say.

> What would it take to scare a bunch of computers jockeys?  Not  
> much.  Innovation?  You don't get on top of everest in one leap.   
> And you don't wait around for miracles if you want to move up a  
> hill.  Nobody is asking for perfection or completion here.  Just  
> some baby steps.  Phonemic and phrase chunking isn't exactly rocket  
> science.  But it is if you expect it to be pulled of at the scale of  
> user level scripting.  Hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains would  
> be a fairly simple addition as well.  Oh well.  I have been well  
> whipped for speaking out for what WILL matter.  God forbid  we go  
> there first.  Scared, controlling, and mean spirited.  That is  
> exactly what I have come to expect of geeks.  Sad.

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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 14:20:05 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:20:05 +0300
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <13B7D468-0BC4-45DC-A065-5D5FDEAA65F7@qldlearning.com>
References: <20090822030259.USUT5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
	<13B7D468-0BC4-45DC-A065-5D5FDEAA65F7@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <4A9036D5.8080907@gmail.com>

Brian Yennie wrote:
>
> You seem to have a great thirst for striking down the state of 
> technology, without actually contributing much to it, nor (as far as I 
> can tell) understanding much about it. Here's an idea -- how about 
> just discussing your ideas instead of chastising anyone who fails to 
> grasp your genius?
>
> Do you get upset about the lack of flying cars every time you change a 
> tire, and call out engineers as afraid of innovation?
>
> I have no idea what "hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains" are. Can 
> you explain why I should want them in my development environment and 
> give a concrete example? Or are you, as I suspect, just throwing 
> around buzz words and condescension?
>
> This is about how I react to your descriptions:
> http://blogmaverick.com/2009/08/19/success-motivation-what-entrepreneurs-should-not-do/ 
>
>
> I see lots of words and claims, but nary one little example of what 
> you are actually trying to say.
>
Very, Very Well Said, Brian!

I don't know if you have noticed, by Mr Reetz "does this" periodically; 
all with no result, except that some of us are left with a bad taste in our
mouths.

I thought, that this use-list (apart from the occasional comic outburst) 
was directly aimed at using Runtime Revolution, not
blethering on in jargonised neologisms that may, just possibly, be from 
one particular person's interior monologue.


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 22 14:22:30 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:22:30 -0700
Subject: Standalone not quitting completely
In-Reply-To: <311F2B2C-9808-40EE-BDF7-05C9F2AD527A@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <c935444f0908220915h5bb5efabs4d98feb84f66e33a@mail.gmail.com>
	<311F2B2C-9808-40EE-BDF7-05C9F2AD527A@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <B6576DFE-E403-4DD5-934D-BCFAF762DAD1@yahoo.com>

Along the same lines of running a standalone, I use 3.5 running on a  
Mac to compile a version of a simple app as both Mac and Win32.

When the exe starts on XP Pro, it runs, works as expected, and  
clicking my close button with "close this stack" kills the process the  
way you would expect.  In this case it quits properly, but only if I  
include the close button.

The catch is that there is no tab on the toolbar, only the ones for  
the open Windows Explorer windows.
Why would this happen.  (I am not a frequent Windows user)

Thanks

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Aug 22, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Ian,
>
> have a look at this script: <http://runrev.info/Quit%20your%20standalone.htm 
> >
> You may need to adjust the script slightly, e.g. if you don't use  
> MySQL you should comment out that part of the script.
> Let me know whether this helps.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
> On 22 aug 2009, at 18:15, Ian McKnight wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have a stack, consists of a splash stack and a substack, which I
>> have made into a standalone.
>>
>> As I was testing the quit command, the 'X box' and the File> Quit
>> command in the standalone, I discovered that while the standalone
>> closes down ie all windows closed and no presence on the task bar,
>> there is a process running in the task manager having the same name  
>> as
>> my standalone. When I restart the standalone a separate process  
>> starts
>> in the Task Manager.
>>
>> BTW the code I use to quit may standalone is
>> File > Quit uses the Quit command after asking confirmation
>> Using the X box I trap  closeStackRequest in a handler and after
>> confirmation, I close the splash stack and pass the closeStackRequest
>> message.
>> Either method still leaves the open precess.
>>
>> I would welcome any suggestions as to how I might fix this.
>>
>> I'm using revEnterprise 3.5 in Windows XP.
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards and thanks
>>
>>
>> Ian McKnight
>
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 14:34:57 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:34:57 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822183459.NASK5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

I have looked over the actual thread and the order of the posts.  I never criticized any posts or poster.  I only offered my suggestions.  Only after I have been attacked have I attempted a defense of my ideas or questions the motives of those who have attacked me...  The order of events matters.  Fairness matters.  Substance matters.

To answer the one questions you have asked:

Most words in a natural language are synonyms to other words (with subtle variation of context or meaning).  When words are grouped with their synonym cousins, a dimensionallity frequently appears that defines a range of general to specific.  Sprint is a specific form of run which is a specific form of locomotion which is a specific form of motion which is more specific than the most general word in this chain, move.  Having access to an anthology that associates words into these overlapping chains of specificity is a fantastically rich resource for the automated derivation of meaning (semantic processing).  Creating such a beast, at the user level is prohibitive to all but the most driven (insane) amongst us.  Doing it once at the tool level so that all can profit... That is a reasonable goal.

randall

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:15 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: RE: Syllabic division of words

Wow, I am intimately and directly involved on a daily and hourly actual productive labor towards these goals.  The assumptions you make without asking are sad.  I have dedicated my life to these goals.  I write code every day exactly towards these goals.  I advise corporations and startups on semantic technology and applying evolution to software and processing.  I have conversations with doug engelbart and others like him frequently.  But ideas don't have to be attacked as some of you seem driven to do.  Especially ideas as well thought through and defined as mine.  I can't remember ever reading a list like this and cultivating as some of you seem to be, for the opportunity to disqualify anything suggested that might present actual fodder for significant progress.  No tool no matter how perfect means much if it is available only to the few and the privileged.  Everything hypercard offered could be programmed in pascal or c or some data base api.  What set it apart was the way it offered these functions to the average joe.  But twenty five years have passed.  Much has changed.  Has xtalk kept up?

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Yennie <briany at qldlearning.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:04 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall,

You seem to have a great thirst for striking down the state of  
technology, without actually contributing much to it, nor (as far as I  
can tell) understanding much about it. Here's an idea -- how about  
just discussing your ideas instead of chastising anyone who fails to  
grasp your genius?

Do you get upset about the lack of flying cars every time you change a  
tire, and call out engineers as afraid of innovation?

I have no idea what "hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains" are. Can  
you explain why I should want them in my development environment and  
give a concrete example? Or are you, as I suspect, just throwing  
around buzz words and condescension?

This is about how I react to your descriptions:
http://blogmaverick.com/2009/08/19/success-motivation-what-entrepreneurs-should-not-do/

I see lots of words and claims, but nary one little example of what  
you are actually trying to say.

> What would it take to scare a bunch of computers jockeys?  Not  
> much.  Innovation?  You don't get on top of everest in one leap.   
> And you don't wait around for miracles if you want to move up a  
> hill.  Nobody is asking for perfection or completion here.  Just  
> some baby steps.  Phonemic and phrase chunking isn't exactly rocket  
> science.  But it is if you expect it to be pulled of at the scale of  
> user level scripting.  Hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains would  
> be a fairly simple addition as well.  Oh well.  I have been well  
> whipped for speaking out for what WILL matter.  God forbid  we go  
> there first.  Scared, controlling, and mean spirited.  That is  
> exactly what I have come to expect of geeks.  Sad.

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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 22 14:35:10 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:35:10 -0700
Subject: memory saturating with a repeat loop
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0908220152m60e1cc85i7a0d276c2dfe22d3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4371BDC1-BC9D-4D8C-97A3-32869D1AD935@inria.fr>
	<25086324.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908220152m60e1cc85i7a0d276c2dfe22d3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77D79B25-A3F4-481E-BD19-8957F4A12619@yahoo.com>

Perhaps there is a way to help define your limits in a Rev app or  
running in the IDE.

Suggestion: build a ReportStack.exe (or .app) that listens for packets  
sent from the stack you are developing.

This means that you would compile a stack that will open a port when  
you click a button, then record the packets received.

The stack you are developing will send a packet at the top of a repeat  
loop, or other timing event that includes the ticks.  The result is  
that you can post packets to a standalone that will keep running even  
if there is a freeze, crash, or other catastrophe.

This would also allow you to use a timeout setting in the standalone  
to detect the packet flow stoppage, then use either Applescript or  
Visual Basic or shell() to get the environmental variables from the  
operating system.

Of course, recording the environ variables should also be done when  
the process is started so you would have a baseline.

This should be easy and stable.
There a two sets of stacks that would let you quickly develop this tool.
UDP Echo Client & UDP Echo Server
TCP App 1  &  TCP App 2
... all by Alex Tweedly
These apps running on the same computer are very fast and consume  
almost no resources.

Just an idea for developing and also running the StatusReportStack.exe  
on the client's computer.  Of course you could also add log file  
functions so you could receive the info via email, etc.  I do the auto- 
email-log-files with some web server software I am running on a  
client's remote system.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Aug 22, 2009, at 1:52 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> I think Andre and Bernd may both have been victims of this bug:
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2772
>
> It seems crazy that we have so many different workarounds for a
> fundamental bug.  Of course the workarounds offer an immediate
> solution.  But there are other cases where crashes seem inexplicable
> (and sometimes unreproducible) which might also be an effect of this
> bug.  As Ben's comments in the bug report show, this bug can come back
> and bite you in your deployed application.
>
> This bug report is over 4 years old, and one of the people who
> expressed interest in this bug being fixed subsequently quit using Rev
> because of serious problems like this.  If you think that it is
> important for the stability of your projects and the reputation of
> Rev, then I would suggest you vote for this bug.
>
> No more workarounds - Vote Yes on 2772!
>
> Bernard
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 8:50 PM, BNig<niggemann at uni-wh.de> wrote:
>>
>> Andre,
>> I ran into the same problem when analysing 3500 stacks distributed  
>> over 3
>> computers, over 1000 stacks on each. Rev crashed. In the repeat  
>> loop version
>> you could watch the memory go down in the activity monitor (on a  
>> Mac) and
>> once it went into virtual memory soon after it crashed.
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 14:42:18 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:42:18 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822184221.NUKK5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

"ontology" not "anthology", windows mobile absolutely does not use semantics in its word hinting strategy.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:34 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: RE: Syllabic division of words

I have looked over the actual thread and the order of the posts.  I never criticized any posts or poster.  I only offered my suggestions.  Only after I have been attacked have I attempted a defense of my ideas or questions the motives of those who have attacked me...  The order of events matters.  Fairness matters.  Substance matters.

To answer the one questions you have asked:

Most words in a natural language are synonyms to other words (with subtle variation of context or meaning).  When words are grouped with their synonym cousins, a dimensionallity frequently appears that defines a range of general to specific.  Sprint is a specific form of run which is a specific form of locomotion which is a specific form of motion which is more specific than the most general word in this chain, move.  Having access to an anthology that associates words into these overlapping chains of specificity is a fantastically rich resource for the automated derivation of meaning (semantic processing).  Creating such a beast, at the user level is prohibitive to all but the most driven (insane) amongst us.  Doing it once at the tool level so that all can profit... That is a reasonable goal.

randall

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 11:15 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: RE: Syllabic division of words

Wow, I am intimately and directly involved on a daily and hourly actual productive labor towards these goals.  The assumptions you make without asking are sad.  I have dedicated my life to these goals.  I write code every day exactly towards these goals.  I advise corporations and startups on semantic technology and applying evolution to software and processing.  I have conversations with doug engelbart and others like him frequently.  But ideas don't have to be attacked as some of you seem driven to do.  Especially ideas as well thought through and defined as mine.  I can't remember ever reading a list like this and cultivating as some of you seem to be, for the opportunity to disqualify anything suggested that might present actual fodder for significant progress.  No tool no matter how perfect means much if it is available only to the few and the privileged.  Everything hypercard offered could be programmed in pascal or c or some data base api.  What set it apart was the way it offered these functions to the average joe.  But twenty five years have passed.  Much has changed.  Has xtalk kept up?

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Yennie <briany at qldlearning.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 10:04 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall,

You seem to have a great thirst for striking down the state of  
technology, without actually contributing much to it, nor (as far as I  
can tell) understanding much about it. Here's an idea -- how about  
just discussing your ideas instead of chastising anyone who fails to  
grasp your genius?

Do you get upset about the lack of flying cars every time you change a  
tire, and call out engineers as afraid of innovation?

I have no idea what "hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains" are. Can  
you explain why I should want them in my development environment and  
give a concrete example? Or are you, as I suspect, just throwing  
around buzz words and condescension?

This is about how I react to your descriptions:
http://blogmaverick.com/2009/08/19/success-motivation-what-entrepreneurs-should-not-do/

I see lots of words and claims, but nary one little example of what  
you are actually trying to say.

> What would it take to scare a bunch of computers jockeys?  Not  
> much.  Innovation?  You don't get on top of everest in one leap.   
> And you don't wait around for miracles if you want to move up a  
> hill.  Nobody is asking for perfection or completion here.  Just  
> some baby steps.  Phonemic and phrase chunking isn't exactly rocket  
> science.  But it is if you expect it to be pulled of at the scale of  
> user level scripting.  Hierarchical thesaurus semantic chains would  
> be a fairly simple addition as well.  Oh well.  I have been well  
> whipped for speaking out for what WILL matter.  God forbid  we go  
> there first.  Scared, controlling, and mean spirited.  That is  
> exactly what I have come to expect of geeks.  Sad.

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From briany at qldlearning.com  Sat Aug 22 14:47:49 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:47:49 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090822183459.NASK5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090822183459.NASK5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <56C7CA1F-BA8D-4DB6-9FF3-25A80D4006B8@qldlearning.com>

Randall,

OK, well let's carry on from there.

Are you familiar with this project?
http://www.research.sun.com/knowledge/papers.html

Something similar in xTalk would be pretty darn cool, I would think.  
Especially if it were to index and search the web =).

See, we can have a fruitful discussion if we just stick to the subject.

> Most words in a natural language are synonyms to other words (with  
> subtle variation of context or meaning).  When words are grouped  
> with their synonym cousins, a dimensionallity frequently appears  
> that defines a range of general to specific.  Sprint is a specific  
> form of run which is a specific form of locomotion which is a  
> specific form of motion which is more specific than the most general  
> word in this chain, move.  Having access to an anthology that  
> associates words into these overlapping chains of specificity is a  
> fantastically rich resource for the automated derivation of meaning  
> (semantic processing).  Creating such a beast, at the user level is  
> prohibitive to all but the most driven (insane) amongst us.  Doing  
> it once at the tool level so that all can profit... That is a  
> reasonable goal.



From briany at qldlearning.com  Sat Aug 22 14:49:44 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 11:49:44 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <56C7CA1F-BA8D-4DB6-9FF3-25A80D4006B8@qldlearning.com>
References: <20090822183459.NASK5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
	<56C7CA1F-BA8D-4DB6-9FF3-25A80D4006B8@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <1C3BACBF-D04F-4295-BC63-AD31F3ECF87D@qldlearning.com>

Oops, please note that I was referring to the "Conceptual Indexing"  
project listed on that page.

> Randall,
>
> OK, well let's carry on from there.
>
> Are you familiar with this project?
> http://www.research.sun.com/knowledge/papers.html
>
> Something similar in xTalk would be pretty darn cool, I would think.  
> Especially if it were to index and search the web =).
>
> See, we can have a fruitful discussion if we just stick to the  
> subject.
>
>> Most words in a natural language are synonyms to other words (with  
>> subtle variation of context or meaning).  When words are grouped  
>> with their synonym cousins, a dimensionallity frequently appears  
>> that defines a range of general to specific.  Sprint is a specific  
>> form of run which is a specific form of locomotion which is a  
>> specific form of motion which is more specific than the most  
>> general word in this chain, move.  Having access to an anthology  
>> that associates words into these overlapping chains of specificity  
>> is a fantastically rich resource for the automated derivation of  
>> meaning (semantic processing).  Creating such a beast, at the user  
>> level is prohibitive to all but the most driven (insane) amongst  
>> us.  Doing it once at the tool level so that all can profit... That  
>> is a reasonable goal.
>
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From iangmcknight at googlemail.com  Sat Aug 22 14:57:12 2009
From: iangmcknight at googlemail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:57:12 +0100
Subject: Standalone not quitting completely
In-Reply-To: <311F2B2C-9808-40EE-BDF7-05C9F2AD527A@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <c935444f0908220915h5bb5efabs4d98feb84f66e33a@mail.gmail.com>
	<311F2B2C-9808-40EE-BDF7-05C9F2AD527A@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <c935444f0908221157j34885c6dx8e9c550985200ed9@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/22 Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>:
> Hi Ian,
>
> have a look at this script:
> <http://runrev.info/Quit%20your%20standalone.htm>
> You may need to adjust the script slightly, e.g. if you don't use MySQL you
> should comment out that part of the script.
> Let me know whether this helps.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>

Hi Mark

Thanks for the reply. I've just included it in my app and it works a treat!

I'll just have to remember that, good and all as Rev is, it still
makes us do some of the tidying up ourselves - maybe that's to stop us
getting lazy and taking Rev for granted. :)


-- 
Regards anf many thanks


Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at googlemail.com
=======================


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 22 15:16:07 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:16:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
Message-ID: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,

This is an enhancement request for revMedia 4.
filled in Report # 8234.

Given that revMedia 4 will be free, the option to
password protect your scripts should be allowed only
in Studio and Enterprise versions of Rev, just like
the options to use encryption, Business databases
and SSL.


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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Aug 22 15:26:21 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:26:21 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <4A90465D.9040407@fourthworld.com>

Randall Reetz wrote:

 > I am intimately and directly involved on a daily and hourly
 > actual productive labor towards these goals.
...
 > Having access to an anthology that associates words into these
 > overlapping chains of specificity is a fantastically rich
 > resource for the automated derivation of meaning (semantic
 > processing).  Creating such a beast, at the user level is
 > prohibitive to all but the most driven (insane) amongst us.
 > Doing it once at the tool level so that all can profit... That
 > is a reasonable goal.

Sounds reasonable enough.  What would you like to see done with that?

This is a user-to-user support list, so the folks here can help point 
the way to scripted solutions and even object-code externals but cannot 
modify the engine to add these sorts of features.

You're encouraged to submit this request to the one place dedicated to 
review by the development team:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/>

There's plenty of space there to include not only technical descriptions 
and links to current APIs which might assist this, but if the business 
case is as strong as you feel it is that can be included too.  A strong 
business case can weigh heavily in favor of a feature request.


This and previous discussions like it have been far more complicated 
than they need to be:

If you want to see a feature, sure, let's discuss it here to see if 
others need it or have found a solution for it already. Then submit it 
to the request queue and see how many votes it gets.  Done.

If you're requesting something that's fairly specialized, don't be 
surprised if others find it too exotic for their needs.  If they say so, 
it isn't necessarily "provincial" or "sad" or other terms any reasonable 
person would find insulting; it may just be simple ROI.

I'm confident that as a consultant for successful businesses you 
appreciate the necessity of putting ROI above all other considerations.

And with your extensive experience and connections you're no doubt in a 
position to prove the nay-sayers wrong, not by arguing with people who 
have no control over the engine, but by delivering a commercial external 
to this market you feel is strong enough to support it profitably.

When this external makes you heaps of money, you'll be laughing all the 
way to the bank while the naysayers will be left only with regrets.

Show us how it's done.  Demonstrate the ROI.

If reasonably priced I'd buy a license from you.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Aug 22 15:31:11 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:31:11 -0700
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
Message-ID: <4A90477F.2080400@fourthworld.com>

Alejandro wrote:
> This is an enhancement request for revMedia 4.
> filled in Report # 8234.
> 
> Given that revMedia 4 will be free, the option to
> password protect your scripts should be allowed only
> in Studio and Enterprise versions of Rev, just like
> the options to use encryption, Business databases
> and SSL.

Good suggestion.  I'm inclined to agree, as one more way to make the 
purchase of a license compelling.

But before I vote I have to ask:  Could there be security considerations 
  for the end-user or RunRev which are minimized with this ability?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 22 15:56:50 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 12:56:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <4A90477F.2080400@fourthworld.com>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A90477F.2080400@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <25097187.post@talk.nabble.com>



Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> But before I vote I have to ask:  Could there be security considerations 
>   for the end-user or RunRev which are minimized with this ability?
> 

Minimized?

Do you mean: How could revMedia 4 end users will be affected if they
could not password protect their stacks?

For example, if a teacher creates a multiple-choice test, all correct
answers will be available to anyone that uses the IDE... :-(
and surely there should exists many more examples of users affected
in some way.


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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 16:10:02 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:10:02 +0300
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <25097187.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A90477F.2080400@fourthworld.com>
	<25097187.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A90509A.1020406@gmail.com>

capellan wrote:
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>   
>> But before I vote I have to ask:  Could there be security considerations 
>>   for the end-user or RunRev which are minimized with this ability?
>>
>>     
>
> Minimized?
>
> Do you mean: How could revMedia 4 end users will be affected if they
> could not password protect their stacks?
>
> For example, if a teacher creates a multiple-choice test, all correct
> answers will be available to anyone that uses the IDE... :-(
> and surely there should exists many more examples of users affected
> in some way.
>
>
>   
Surely the disabling of the ability to password protect stacks should not
be implemented before the pay versions become available.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 16:13:11 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 23:13:11 +0300
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <25097187.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A90477F.2080400@fourthworld.com>
	<25097187.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A905157.6050108@gmail.com>

capellan wrote:
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>   
>> But before I vote I have to ask:  Could there be security considerations 
>>   for the end-user or RunRev which are minimized with this ability?
>>
>>     
>
> Minimized?
>
> Do you mean: How could revMedia 4 end users will be affected if they
> could not password protect their stacks?
>
> For example, if a teacher creates a multiple-choice test, all correct
> answers will be available to anyone that uses the IDE... :-(
>   
Not really, if the questions and answers are stored outwith the stack in
some sort of encoded document!

Obviously without the ability to password protect stacks the programmer
who wants to protect his/her data (i.e. stuff other than scripts) will 
have to
make an extra effort - but in computer-land all things are password 
protectable, and
all password protection is crackable . . .

So, quite frankly, why bother about this at all?

> and surely there should exists many more examples of users affected
> in some way.
>
>
>   



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat Aug 22 16:43:48 2009
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 22:43:48 +0200
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <FF965BC1-9882-4807-BD92-2616B7910694@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Brittany,

Randall, you have been flogging a dead horse for
several days now. Revolution doesn't do something
you want it to do. You have made your point, and
so have others. There are many requests for Rev
improvement, correction, and inception of new
functions. I'm sure that you have been heard
(albeit a little bit too much). I doubt if your
request has a high priority, but it is your right
to request it. So now, you can sit back ........

Will you please stop filling the forum with complaints
about what Revolution doesn't do ? It doesn't exist
JUST for you, and you have no right to demand such. If you
don't like it, buy another piece of software (although I
doubt you will find such far-reaching functions as Revolution
permits).

And as somebody well respected on the forum suggested :
If you haven't got what you want - write it yourself !

Can we please move on to other more interesting topics ?

Best Regards

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From david.bovill at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 16:47:44 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:47:44 +0100
Subject: Datagrid: dgFormattedHeight geometry question
In-Reply-To: <56770877-08CB-447E-B305-84C94A8D9BCF@skynet.be>
References: <c1c5836b0908220837v7f968209t555d1342b057abeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<56770877-08CB-447E-B305-84C94A8D9BCF@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908221347k1fffed5dja8781ad22685da8c@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Yves - but that's a different problem. This is not a problem with
inaccurate formattedheight - adding a fixed number does not help. This only
affect the bottom records in that they resize fine - but the scrollbar for
the data grid does not adapt to allow you to scroll down to see the new
expanded areas.

2009/8/22 Yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>

>
> this point has been discussed abundantly this month.
> The ti :
> you have to set your rect first
> then adapt the foramattedHeight
> and set the rect again
>
> see :
>
> the question :
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg122882.html
>
> and the solution:
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg122922.html
>


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 22 16:49:59 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 13:49:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <4A905157.6050108@gmail.com>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A90477F.2080400@fourthworld.com>
	<25097187.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A905157.6050108@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25097522.post@talk.nabble.com>




Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
> 
> Not really, if the questions and answers are stored out with the stack in
> some sort of encoded document!
> 
> Obviously without the ability to password protect stacks the programmer
> who wants to protect his/her data (i.e. stuff other than scripts)
> will have to make an extra effort - but in computer-land all things are
> password protectable, and all password protection is crackable . . .
> 
> So, quite frankly, why bother about this at all?
> 

Then, if using password encryption is the same as not using it,
you are going to add your vote to dissable password protection
in revMedia 4. Right?

By the way, if all password protection is crackable...
Could anybody, in this mail list, deprotect the script of my stack:
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/Learn_Japanese_Syllabaries_v092.zip

Have a nice weekend!

alejandro

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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 17:51:55 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 14:51:55 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822215158.YQBC10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

I wrote ONE post talking to the need for modern text analysis tools.  Then the arrows started to fly.  Each of my posts since have been in response to requests for clarification or to ask why people need to attack ideas with such mean spirited force.  Please be fair.

randall

-----Original Message-----
From: Francis Nugent Dixon <effendi at wanadoo.fr>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:43 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Hi from Brittany,

Randall, you have been flogging a dead horse for
several days now. Revolution doesn't do something
you want it to do. You have made your point, and
so have others. There are many requests for Rev
improvement, correction, and inception of new
functions. I'm sure that you have been heard
(albeit a little bit too much). I doubt if your
request has a high priority, but it is your right
to request it. So now, you can sit back ........

Will you please stop filling the forum with complaints
about what Revolution doesn't do ? It doesn't exist
JUST for you, and you have no right to demand such. If you
don't like it, buy another piece of software (although I
doubt you will find such far-reaching functions as Revolution
permits).

And as somebody well respected on the forum suggested :
If you haven't got what you want - write it yourself !

Can we please move on to other more interesting topics ?

Best Regards

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"


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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 18:43:59 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 15:43:59 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090822224400.OVFT5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

The world hasn't had a means of gain on productivity for over 14 years.  Principally because of the ridiculous shortsighted way ROI is cast.

Xtalk has not maintained currency with changing markets and tech.

Suggestions and ideas do not need to be attacked in this way.  Either there is no moderation of this list or the moderator supports this type of bullying behavior.

Most of what is on this list is not pertinent to me...  I just ignore it and move on...  I can't imagine what would motivate someone to attack. 

And I am being cast as the problem?


-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 12:26 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall Reetz wrote:

 > I am intimately and directly involved on a daily and hourly
 > actual productive labor towards these goals.
...
 > Having access to an anthology that associates words into these
 > overlapping chains of specificity is a fantastically rich
 > resource for the automated derivation of meaning (semantic
 > processing).  Creating such a beast, at the user level is
 > prohibitive to all but the most driven (insane) amongst us.
 > Doing it once at the tool level so that all can profit... That
 > is a reasonable goal.

Sounds reasonable enough.  What would you like to see done with that?

This is a user-to-user support list, so the folks here can help point 
the way to scripted solutions and even object-code externals but cannot 
modify the engine to add these sorts of features.

You're encouraged to submit this request to the one place dedicated to 
review by the development team:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/>

There's plenty of space there to include not only technical descriptions 
and links to current APIs which might assist this, but if the business 
case is as strong as you feel it is that can be included too.  A strong 
business case can weigh heavily in favor of a feature request.


This and previous discussions like it have been far more complicated 
than they need to be:

If you want to see a feature, sure, let's discuss it here to see if 
others need it or have found a solution for it already. Then submit it 
to the request queue and see how many votes it gets.  Done.

If you're requesting something that's fairly specialized, don't be 
surprised if others find it too exotic for their needs.  If they say so, 
it isn't necessarily "provincial" or "sad" or other terms any reasonable 
person would find insulting; it may just be simple ROI.

I'm confident that as a consultant for successful businesses you 
appreciate the necessity of putting ROI above all other considerations.

And with your extensive experience and connections you're no doubt in a 
position to prove the nay-sayers wrong, not by arguing with people who 
have no control over the engine, but by delivering a commercial external 
to this market you feel is strong enough to support it profitably.

When this external makes you heaps of money, you'll be laughing all the 
way to the bank while the naysayers will be left only with regrets.

Show us how it's done.  Demonstrate the ROI.

If reasonably priced I'd buy a license from you.

--
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  Fourth World
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 19:33:53 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:33:53 +1000
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090822165421.QPQD10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090822165421.QPQD10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908221633m47cd853r6dfad62d84f7bdec@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Randall Reetz<randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:
> You didn't state anything of your views. ?All you have done is publicly shamed mine. ?So I am asking you to tell us all what improvements to xtalk do you want and how my suggestions (or those of any other poor sap brave enough to out an opinion) so threaten your agenda or sensibilities.


What an absolutely astonishing thing for you to say. As far as I am
concerned you just lost all your credibility since you haven't even
done me the courtesy of reading my posts.

So you are allowed to complain about us and accuse us of being
"provincial", "angry", "hyper-protective" etc. But as soon as anyone
puts forward an alternative view point, that is publicly shaming you?

It is apparently not possible to have a rational discussion with you,
so I give up at this point. Hopefully Heather will step in at some
point and put an end to this pointless and increasingly irritating
discussion.

Sarah


From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 20:47:48 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 17:47:48 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090823004749.BJYY5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

And still you have not outlined your wishlist for future xtalk improvements.  Which is weird because there is at least one less person who will jump all over your ideas.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 4:33 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Randall Reetz<randall at randallreetz.com> wrote:
> You didn't state anything of your views. ?All you have done is publicly shamed mine. ?So I am asking you to tell us all what improvements to xtalk do you want and how my suggestions (or those of any other poor sap brave enough to out an opinion) so threaten your agenda or sensibilities.


What an absolutely astonishing thing for you to say. As far as I am
concerned you just lost all your credibility since you haven't even
done me the courtesy of reading my posts.

So you are allowed to complain about us and accuse us of being
"provincial", "angry", "hyper-protective" etc. But as soon as anyone
puts forward an alternative view point, that is publicly shaming you?

It is apparently not possible to have a rational discussion with you,
so I give up at this point. Hopefully Heather will step in at some
point and put an end to this pointless and increasingly irritating
discussion.

Sarah
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 22 21:20:26 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:20:26 -0500
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090823004749.BJYY5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090823004749.BJYY5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <4A90995A.7040707@hyperactivesw.com>

Randall Reetz wrote:
> And still you have not outlined your wishlist for future xtalk
 > improvements.  Which is weird because there is at least one less
 > person who will jump all over your ideas.

Sarah is one of our most level-headed, generous, and respected list 
members. She doesn't owe you anything. Most of us who would actually 
like to accomplish change put our wish lists into the QA Center where 
they belong.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Aug 22 21:21:53 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:21:53 -0500
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090822224400.OVFT5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090822224400.OVFT5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <4A9099B1.6090607@hyperactivesw.com>

Randall Reetz wrote:

> And I am being cast as the problem?

There's an old Talmudic saying:

If one man calls you an ass, laugh.
If two men call you an ass, ponder.
If three men call you an ass, buy a saddle.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Aug 22 21:38:31 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 21:38:31 -0400
Subject: Datagrid: dgFormattedHeight geometry question
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0908220837v7f968209t555d1342b057abeb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0908220837v7f968209t555d1342b057abeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1AE561F2-9213-4DF9-AA99-47C63E485213@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 22, 2009, at 11:37 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> on DiscloseView someBoolean
>>   lock screen
>>   put the rect of me into oRect
>>   set the visible of grp "Toggle" of me to someBoolean
>>   LayoutControl oRect
>>   RefreshList
>>   unlock screen
>> end DiscloseView
>
> I am guessing that this technique does not properly change the
> geometry/dgFormattedHeight of the datagrid - but before I try teh  
> technique
> used in the Webinar (adding a visible entry to the dgArray for each  
> record)
> - I thought it would be worth checking what is going on here - or is  
> this a
> bug?

Hi David,

You are trying to manually update the data grid view but in so doing  
the data grid has no way of knowing that you are changing the size.  
LayoutControl is a handler in the template and therefore bypasses any  
logic in the data grid itself. RefreshList merely tells the data grid  
to resize itself.

Use the technique in the webinar as that triggers the routines that  
recalculate and redraw.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com



From vokey at uleth.ca  Sat Aug 22 22:05:44 2009
From: vokey at uleth.ca (John Vokey)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:05:44 -0600
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090823004758.9523348AA8C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090823004758.9523348AA8C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <08327797-4670-46BA-98D6-C746F887D6AC@uleth.ca>

Something close to what I think Randall was talking about is LSA  
(Latent Semantic Analysis).  Indeed, rumour has long held that it is  
the basis of Apple's junk filter in Safari.  The original source for  
the work is here:
<http://lsa.colorado.edu/>

On 22-Aug-09, at 6:47 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Randall,
>
> OK, well let's carry on from there.
>
> Are you familiar with this project?
> http://www.research.sun.com/knowledge/papers.html
>
> Something similar in xTalk would be pretty darn cool, I would think.
> Especially if it were to index and search the web =).

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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 22:07:48 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:07:48 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090823020749.YASI10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

I have made no judgement of anyone's worth to this list.  In fact I accept equal worth of all as  self evident.  I am only responding to accusations level at my self and my ideas.  Accusations and judgements that were mean spirited and meant to quiet suggestions not supportive of a particular point of view. My original post on this thread was simply a suggestion that better string chunking functions would open a scriptor's options in the area of semantic processing.  That is all.  I have not attacked or criticized any other contributors ideas... None have been offered.  All of the responses to my original post have been and continue to be adversarial and absent of on-topic substance.  I have gone to great leans to explain my suggestions and the reasons I think they add value and modernize an IDE.  But at each turn I am attacked.  I passively watch this and several other lists and interact only when some topic tweak my interest.  I am having trouble understanding the motivation that would fuel the attack that has been leveled at my suggestions.  I have no ties to rev.  I have no authority over any direction this product might take.  I proffered a few paragraphs of little words expressing a need I perceive in scripted development tools.  What power I must wield!  I give all of you permission to live your lives as though my words were just words. The yoke of duty has been lifted, I grant thee suffrage.  You are now free to walk about the cabin.

I am sure many shy and less seasoned folk, people who might be programming for the first time, sit in the wings and have learned a harsh lesson from this little witch hunt.  Keep quiet.  There are wolves waiting in the wings.  Not exactly the free and supportive environment that lends good will to a product's value.  Sad.   

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 6:20 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall Reetz wrote:
> And still you have not outlined your wishlist for future xtalk
 > improvements.  Which is weird because there is at least one less
 > person who will jump all over your ideas.

Sarah is one of our most level-headed, generous, and respected list 
members. She doesn't owe you anything. Most of us who would actually 
like to accomplish change put our wish lists into the QA Center where 
they belong.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 22:10:15 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:10:15 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090823021017.ICLL5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Thank you... A post of substance... On topic... I will follow the link... I hope it isn't a trap (sorry, I am a little gun shy after all of this)

randall

-----Original Message-----
From: John Vokey <vokey at uleth.ca>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:05 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Something close to what I think Randall was talking about is LSA  
(Latent Semantic Analysis).  Indeed, rumour has long held that it is  
the basis of Apple's junk filter in Safari.  The original source for  
the work is here:
<http://lsa.colorado.edu/>

On 22-Aug-09, at 6:47 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Randall,
>
> OK, well let's carry on from there.
>
> Are you familiar with this project?
> http://www.research.sun.com/knowledge/papers.html
>
> Something similar in xTalk would be pretty darn cool, I would think.
> Especially if it were to index and search the web =).

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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 22:27:21 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:27:21 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090823022723.LMEO5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

This is one techniques that can be applied to derive meaning from text.  But the first step is to have the capacity to fluidly identify chunks of text that give context to individual words.  Parts of speech (noun, very, subject and object phrases).  In my work I lean towards least-energy metrics (somewhat captured in LSA's association angles).  The point isn't having the perfect system.  Name one part of xtalk that is perfect!  The point is having some semantically applicable tools at all.  Again I must stress, these words obligated no one to any action of any kind.  They are simply one person's opinion.  
randall

-----Original Message-----
From: John Vokey <vokey at uleth.ca>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:05 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Something close to what I think Randall was talking about is LSA  
(Latent Semantic Analysis).  Indeed, rumour has long held that it is  
the basis of Apple's junk filter in Safari.  The original source for  
the work is here:
<http://lsa.colorado.edu/>

On 22-Aug-09, at 6:47 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Randall,
>
> OK, well let's carry on from there.
>
> Are you familiar with this project?
> http://www.research.sun.com/knowledge/papers.html
>
> Something similar in xTalk would be pretty darn cool, I would think.
> Especially if it were to index and search the web =).

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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sat Aug 22 22:46:58 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 19:46:58 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090823024700.CKCC10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

I should clarify.  Stochastic (counting and statistical) methods of meaning acquisition are employed often to avoid structural grammatical parsing.  Some adherents go further and posit
 that brains don't use grammar aanyway, why should computers?  I personally like to use some of both, cross checking in a hunt for meaning.  We are approaching an age wherein computers will interact with information autonomously.  Wrote execution of code as written by human programmers will fade into the quaint past.  Who know which kid (or oldster) will contribute to this transition?  Whomever does will be more likely to do so if they wield powerful and intuitive tools that do some of the heavy lifting and remove some of the burden of complexity.  Am I a dreamer?

randall 

-----Original Message-----
From: Randall Reetz <randall at randallreetz.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:27 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: RE: Syllabic division of words

This is one techniques that can be applied to derive meaning from text.  But the first step is to have the capacity to fluidly identify chunks of text that give context to individual words.  Parts of speech (noun, very, subject and object phrases).  In my work I lean towards least-energy metrics (somewhat captured in LSA's association angles).  The point isn't having the perfect system.  Name one part of xtalk that is perfect!  The point is having some semantically applicable tools at all.  Again I must stress, these words obligated no one to any action of any kind.  They are simply one person's opinion.  
randall

-----Original Message-----
From: John Vokey <vokey at uleth.ca>
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 7:05 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Something close to what I think Randall was talking about is LSA  
(Latent Semantic Analysis).  Indeed, rumour has long held that it is  
the basis of Apple's junk filter in Safari.  The original source for  
the work is here:
<http://lsa.colorado.edu/>

On 22-Aug-09, at 6:47 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Randall,
>
> OK, well let's carry on from there.
>
> Are you familiar with this project?
> http://www.research.sun.com/knowledge/papers.html
>
> Something similar in xTalk would be pretty darn cool, I would think.
> Especially if it were to index and search the web =).

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From katir at hindu.org  Sun Aug 23 00:34:08 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 18:34:08 -1000
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A90C6C0.6050209@hindu.org>

capellan wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is an enhancement request for revMedia 4.
> filled in Report # 8234.
>
> Given that revMedia 4 will be free, the option to
> password protect your scripts should be allowed only
> in Studio and Enterprise versions of Rev, just like
> the options to use encryption, Business databases
> and SSL.
>
>
>   

Can you provide more compelling reasons for disabling password protection?
(aside from compelling users to move to a paid version)

I'm more interested that revMedia "take off"
in the viral sense of being widely used, RunRev RevTalk
brand becomes as sweet and common as honey in your lemonade.

The question of whether disabling protection enhances
or dampens the "jet fuel" that could push RevMedia to
a wider audience needs to be answered.

in the old hypercard days, could you protect stacks? I can't remember, 
it's been so long....

Did this prevent or enhance Hypercard's popularity?
1) Young people probably won't care, even if they can protect there
stuff, they may choose to let others see  their scripts.

2) teachers will,  as pointed out

3) anyone doing a lo-level business app most certainly (who has plenty $ 
to upgrade)...

in the "space in time" between when the business hacker uses the product
until when he actually pays for the upgrade, if he cannot protect the 
stack, it could
make it virtually an unusable option.

4) Free means moving in the public domain, but frameworks in the public 
domain often contain intellectual property that must be protected. 
Photos, in our magazine are a good example, I *must* protect the PDF 
against extraction of images, even though it is patently obvious that 
anyone can take a screen shot, but legal culpability falls on that user, 
where as if I don't protect the PDF, culpability falls back on the 
publisher.  If I have an agreement with a photo agency for certain kinds 
of usage etc....there remain all kinds of grey areas that lawyers in NY 
are even as we speak, working hard on finding ways to unleash 
litigitious minds into the public domain... not knowing where one might 
stand in such a future quagmire, one will be simply cautious and protect 
the stack rather than live with the anxiety that the content "must not 
be freely available on the internet" -- whatever that means In the music 
world, its serious business.

5) developers have to make a living, put food on the table, pay for 
their kids education, go on vacation to Kauai to visit us here by the 
Wailua River.... if they can't protect their work, then that's a 
problem... some new developers may want to protect their work from the 
get go...

How many user of revMedia fall into categories 3-4-5?  Since they are 
the ones who have the $ to upgrade, why hobble their protection 
requirements at the beginning?

I don't have the answer... but those questions come to mind.








From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 23 03:06:52 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 00:06:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090823024700.CKCC10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<20090823024700.CKCC10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <25100857.post@talk.nabble.com>



Randall Reetz wrote:
> 
> I should clarify.  Stochastic (counting and statistical) methods of
> meaning
> acquisition are employed often to avoid structural grammatical parsing. 
> Some adherents go further and posit that brains don't use grammar anyway,
> why should computers?
> 

Actually, i believe that language came first and grammatical rules were
collected later to explain and formalize the language conventions.

Only languages of recent creation have this relation inverted. 
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 04:09:49 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:09:49 +0300
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <25100857.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25037099.post@talk.nabble.com>	<20090823024700.CKCC10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
	<25100857.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A90F94D.4010502@gmail.com>

capellan wrote:
> Randall Reetz wrote:
>   
>> I should clarify.  Stochastic (counting and statistical) methods of
>> meaning
>> acquisition are employed often to avoid structural grammatical parsing. 
>> Some adherents go further and posit that brains don't use grammar anyway,
>> why should computers?
>>
>>     
>
> Actually, i believe that language came first and grammatical rules were
> collected later to explain and formalize the language conventions.
>
> Only languages of recent creation have this relation inverted. 
>   
Of course.

What is rather funny is how, in the 19th century, philologists tried to 
apply
Graeco-Latin grammar to non-Indo-European languages (leaving us with
some sub-Saharan Africab languages being described as having 13 genders
- which, quite obviously they don't ; they have 13 categories) leaving us
with the lasting impression that "one size fits all", stopping people being
aware of how large the differences between some languages are.




From randall at randallreetz.com  Sun Aug 23 04:36:22 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:36:22 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090823083624.MTTD5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Brains are networks.  Traditional math and programming is linear or branching linear.  Somewhere in there is the gap we find computing facing today.  No good clear model for n-dimensional decentralized swarm processing. 

-----Original Message-----
From: capellan <capellan2000 at yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 12:06 AM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: RE: Syllabic division of words



Randall Reetz wrote:
> 
> I should clarify.  Stochastic (counting and statistical) methods of
> meaning
> acquisition are employed often to avoid structural grammatical parsing. 
> Some adherents go further and posit that brains don't use grammar anyway,
> why should computers?
> 

Actually, i believe that language came first and grammatical rules were
collected later to explain and formalize the language conventions.

Only languages of recent creation have this relation inverted. 
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sun Aug 23 04:44:52 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 01:44:52 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090823084454.BNCZ10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Information science and thermodynamics intersect in computation but a lack of tools makes this the old west of discovery.  Too many rattlesnake and gun singers to concentrate on the work in front of us.  What kind of tools would allow rev to be a premier semantic construction and experimentation exploration sandbox?  Have you tried to program (think) in lisp?  No thank you fred.  Xtalk is so human.  But we need some robust extensions for semantics.

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From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 1:09 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

capellan wrote:
> Randall Reetz wrote:
>   
>> I should clarify.  Stochastic (counting and statistical) methods of
>> meaning
>> acquisition are employed often to avoid structural grammatical parsing. 
>> Some adherents go further and posit that brains don't use grammar anyway,
>> why should computers?
>>
>>     
>
> Actually, i believe that language came first and grammatical rules were
> collected later to explain and formalize the language conventions.
>
> Only languages of recent creation have this relation inverted. 
>   
Of course.

What is rather funny is how, in the 19th century, philologists tried to 
apply
Graeco-Latin grammar to non-Indo-European languages (leaving us with
some sub-Saharan Africab languages being described as having 13 genders
- which, quite obviously they don't ; they have 13 categories) leaving us
with the lasting impression that "one size fits all", stopping people being
aware of how large the differences between some languages are.


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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 06:48:00 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:48:00 +0300
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <20090823083624.MTTD5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090823083624.MTTD5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <4A911E60.2000507@gmail.com>

Randall Reetz wrote:
> Brains are networks.  Traditional math and programming is linear or branching linear.  Somewhere in there is the gap we find computing facing today.  No good clear model for n-dimensional decentralized swarm processing. 
>
>   
I wonder why you are so obsessed with the "mind/brain is ONLY a very 
sophisticated computer, and, with a little bit more work
we will understand everything about it in a purely materialistic way" ?

"Brains are networks."

possibly . . . (nothing like a dogmatic statement from Randall Reetz to 
brighten up my Sunday)

But nobody has successfully managed to get the mind-brain identity 
hypothesis to stick.

"decentralized swarm processing"

Wow! I didn't know I was a 'decentralized swarm' working in 'n-dimensions'.

We have a word for that sort of blether in Scotland . . .


From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Sun Aug 23 11:29:29 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:29:29 +0200
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <4A90C6C0.6050209@hindu.org>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A90C6C0.6050209@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4424B859-15EE-4B73-8034-DD80239DB075@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 23 ao?t 09 ? 06:34, Sivakatirswami a ?crit :

> capellan wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is an enhancement request for revMedia 4.
>> filled in Report # 8234.
>>
>> Given that revMedia 4 will be free, the option to
>> password protect your scripts should be allowed only
>> in Studio and Enterprise versions of Rev, just like
>> the options to use encryption, Business databases
>> and SSL.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Can you provide more compelling reasons for disabling password  
> protection?
> (aside from compelling users to move to a paid version)
>
> I'm more interested that revMedia "take off"
> in the viral sense of being widely used, RunRev RevTalk
> brand becomes as sweet and common as honey in your lemonade.
>
> The question of whether disabling protection enhances
> or dampens the "jet fuel" that could push RevMedia to
> a wider audience needs to be answered.
>
> in the old hypercard days, could you protect stacks? I can't  
> remember, it's been so long....

Hypercard was free (but without standalone capability) because that  
was a requirement by Bill Atkinson. Password protection was the only  
way to do business with HC in these days. Then (I do not remember in  
which order) standalones were possible and the IDE was not free  
anymore. However there was still a free player.

I think the defeat of Hypercard lied in its inability to compile for  
the PC, which was itself due to the particular way it was implemented  
by Atkinson. Remember that, at that times, MS windows was unusable.  
Making HC a non free developing environment killed the grass root  
enthusiasm for HC.
>
> Did this prevent or enhance Hypercard's popularity?
> 1) Young people probably won't care, even if they can protect there
> stuff, they may choose to let others see  their scripts.
>
> 2) teachers will,  as pointed out
>
> 3) anyone doing a lo-level business app most certainly (who has  
> plenty $ to upgrade)...
>
> in the "space in time" between when the business hacker uses the  
> product
> until when he actually pays for the upgrade, if he cannot protect  
> the stack, it could
> make it virtually an unusable option.
>
>
<snip>

I think the free revMedia should not be over crippled. Adoption by  
hobbyists is important to make the environment popular. By hobbyist I  
mean people which will make a limited but happy use of rev but would  
have never considered buying the product in the first place. I add  
that a one month demo is not enough for a person who has a non IT full  
time work to get acquainted with a programming environment.

RunRev can cripple the free version later; this always possible. But  
give the baby a chance before.

Fran?ois
	a hobbyist with just enough money and interest to pay for a studio  
edition.





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 12:36:10 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:36:10 +0300
Subject: Password protecting a revMedia 4 stack - "Yer - But - No"
Message-ID: <4A916FFA.7070004@gmail.com>

Maybe I have got this wrong; but as far as I can tell one cannot
pasword protect stacks unless they are bound up in standalones.

As revMedia 4 ONLY allows one to build revelets this means than
any FREE STANDING stacks have to be issued with the Revolution
stack runner and are, therefore, not password protectable.

THIS is the reason why my "Sanskrit Typewriter" stack, being
developed currently with revMedia 4 is only being released
in Private-Beta form.

Having attended the Edinburgh Conf. and receiving my copy
of Revolution I will build standalones with password protection
for broader-based testing.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Yer-but-No!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicky_Pollard

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/littlebritain/characters/vicky.shtml


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sun Aug 23 13:14:31 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:14:31 -0400
Subject: Password protecting a revMedia 4 stack - "Yer - But - No"
Message-ID: <EE877D4D-EB55-454D-B839-C96E752BB211@wehostmacs.com>

you can password protect a stack from the message box:
	set the password of stack <STACK> to <PASSWORD>
	save stack <STACK>

then when you need to access said stack's script:
	set the passKey of stack <STACK> to <PASSWORD>

if you want to remove the password, you first need to set the passKey  
then set the password to empty
	set the passKey of stack <STACK> to <PASSWORD>
	set the password of stack <STACK> to EMPTY  -- see note below
	save stack <STACK>

note: you can also change your password at this point, just replace  
EMPTY with <newPASSWORD>


Now having said all of that, I have not played with the new revMedia 4  
alpha so not certain if that can even be done..


From wjm at wjm.org  Sun Aug 23 13:24:20 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (William Marriott)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:24:20 +0100
Subject: Password protecting a revMedia 4 stack - "Yer - But - No"
In-Reply-To: <4A916FFA.7070004@gmail.com>
References: <4A916FFA.7070004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <h6ru05$4ic$1@ger.gmane.org>

I'm missing something here.

All revlets are in a "compiled" format that cannot be reverse-engineered 
back to a stack, whether or not a password is applied. This is similar 
to the .swf/.fla distinction.



From wjm at wjm.org  Sun Aug 23 13:53:25 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (William Marriott)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:53:25 +0100
Subject: ANN: ClearType Library for Windows XP and Vista
In-Reply-To: <19DF1FB0-9050-4516-BAE3-3A26910CBC85@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <19DF1FB0-9050-4516-BAE3-3A26910CBC85@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <h6rvml$9er$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi Mark,

Just curious -- why is it not recommended to change the settings? 
There's definitely a need to enable ClearType in some situations, 
especially when small fonts are used.

- Bill


Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> The ClearType Library for Runtime Revolution enables you to retrieve 
> information about the system font settings on Windows. The library 
> provides information about anti-aliasing, font gamma, font smoothing 
> orientation and font size. You may also use the library to change these 
> settings, although this is not recommended.
> 
> This library is freeware but not in the public domain. You can use it as 
> you like, but you can't modify it. Download the ClearType Library at 
> <http://economy-x-talk.com/developers.html> (see the bottom of the page).
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Aug 23 14:22:11 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:22:11 +0300
Subject: Password protecting a revMedia 4 stack - "Yer - But - No"
In-Reply-To: <h6ru05$4ic$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4A916FFA.7070004@gmail.com> <h6ru05$4ic$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4A9188D3.8080304@gmail.com>

William Marriott wrote:
> I'm missing something here.

No, you are not missing anything; I missed quite a lot there, and can 
only Thank you for putting me right!
I was thinking back to when I authored a standalone that had lots of 
substacks stored in a data folder.
>
> All revlets are in a "compiled" format that cannot be 
> reverse-engineered back to a stack, whether or not a password is 
> applied. This is similar to the .swf/.fla distinction.
>
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sun Aug 23 15:14:29 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:14:29 -0700
Subject: Syllabic division of words
Message-ID: <20090823191432.ERYU5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Like it or not, we have perfectly mapped and mimicked smaller animal's brains (up to fairly complex amphibians).  Even removed the brains and hooked up the simulations to the nerve columns, and guess what?  What amazes me is the fear we have that makes us want so desperately to reject observation when it contradicts the self centered myths that give us hope. Remember the earth being flat?  The earth being the center of the heavens?  The heart being the locus of the "soul"?  Time and space being absolute and unrelated?  We know the brain is a network of tiny nodes.  There is nothing else in there but neurons and the dendrites that connect them (a average of ten thousand connections per neuron).  We share an absurdly high correlation of genes with the simpler animals who's brains we have matched.    I am not interested in mimicking the human brain.  What I do know is that when I sit down to architect semantic processing schemes, they all end up sharing that hyper-dimensional networked structure no matter what I do.  Also, we know at least one semantic processor (the brains of existing creatures, including of course, us).  If nothing else, our own brains present a valid use case and proof of concept.  

But the mind/brain split, I will leave that to people who want specialness more than they want truth.

I wonder where we will say the soul abides once we can replace a person's brain?

My interests are driven by the exact same process that brought us here, we are the first creature with the capacity do know THE job description.  That would give us tremendous advantage (though it is obvious that one can work this job without it).

randall

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From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 3:48 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Syllabic division of words

Randall Reetz wrote:
> Brains are networks.  Traditional math and programming is linear or branching linear.  Somewhere in there is the gap we find computing facing today.  No good clear model for n-dimensional decentralized swarm processing. 
>
>   
I wonder why you are so obsessed with the "mind/brain is ONLY a very 
sophisticated computer, and, with a little bit more work
we will understand everything about it in a purely materialistic way" ?

"Brains are networks."

possibly . . . (nothing like a dogmatic statement from Randall Reetz to 
brighten up my Sunday)

But nobody has successfully managed to get the mind-brain identity 
hypothesis to stick.

"decentralized swarm processing"

Wow! I didn't know I was a 'decentralized swarm' working in 'n-dimensions'.

We have a word for that sort of blether in Scotland . . .
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From randall at randallreetz.com  Sun Aug 23 17:09:58 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:09:58 -0700
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
Message-ID: <20090823211001.OYPS5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>

I echo francios' sentiment.  Lock-in happens only after viral adoption.  There are of course revenue models other than retail purchase of tool license.  It would be entirely possible to give the product away, and charge only a percentage of a user's income as a result of said tool.  There are tracking and enforcement issues with such a model, but good will and easy uptake by potential paying customers becomes more benevolent and reasonable.  Trust is a valid way to approach one's customers.  When I was in university, there was a bookshop in the local town without employees.  Just a box at the front door.  If you found a book you wanted, you wrote the name of the book on an envelope, put cash in that envelope, and dropped it into the slot on the top of the box as you left.  They said these was far less than theft in other book stores.  People like to be trusted.

randall  



-----Original Message-----
From: Fran?ois Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:29 AM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks


Le 23 ao?t 09 ? 06:34, Sivakatirswami a ?crit :

> capellan wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is an enhancement request for revMedia 4.
>> filled in Report # 8234.
>>
>> Given that revMedia 4 will be free, the option to
>> password protect your scripts should be allowed only
>> in Studio and Enterprise versions of Rev, just like
>> the options to use encryption, Business databases
>> and SSL.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Can you provide more compelling reasons for disabling password  
> protection?
> (aside from compelling users to move to a paid version)
>
> I'm more interested that revMedia "take off"
> in the viral sense of being widely used, RunRev RevTalk
> brand becomes as sweet and common as honey in your lemonade.
>
> The question of whether disabling protection enhances
> or dampens the "jet fuel" that could push RevMedia to
> a wider audience needs to be answered.
>
> in the old hypercard days, could you protect stacks? I can't  
> remember, it's been so long....

Hypercard was free (but without standalone capability) because that  
was a requirement by Bill Atkinson. Password protection was the only  
way to do business with HC in these days. Then (I do not remember in  
which order) standalones were possible and the IDE was not free  
anymore. However there was still a free player.

I think the defeat of Hypercard lied in its inability to compile for  
the PC, which was itself due to the particular way it was implemented  
by Atkinson. Remember that, at that times, MS windows was unusable.  
Making HC a non free developing environment killed the grass root  
enthusiasm for HC.
>
> Did this prevent or enhance Hypercard's popularity?
> 1) Young people probably won't care, even if they can protect there
> stuff, they may choose to let others see  their scripts.
>
> 2) teachers will,  as pointed out
>
> 3) anyone doing a lo-level business app most certainly (who has  
> plenty $ to upgrade)...
>
> in the "space in time" between when the business hacker uses the  
> product
> until when he actually pays for the upgrade, if he cannot protect  
> the stack, it could
> make it virtually an unusable option.
>
>
<snip>

I think the free revMedia should not be over crippled. Adoption by  
hobbyists is important to make the environment popular. By hobbyist I  
mean people which will make a limited but happy use of rev but would  
have never considered buying the product in the first place. I add  
that a one month demo is not enough for a person who has a non IT full  
time work to get acquainted with a programming environment.

RunRev can cripple the free version later; this always possible. But  
give the baby a chance before.

Fran?ois
	a hobbyist with just enough money and interest to pay for a studio  
edition.



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From katir at hindu.org  Sun Aug 23 19:46:05 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:46:05 -1000
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <20090823211001.OYPS5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090823211001.OYPS5393.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <4A91D4BD.1090207@hindu.org>

Randall Reetz wrote:
> I echo francios' sentiment.  Lock-in happens only after viral adoption.  There are of course revenue models other than retail purchase of tool license.  It would be entirely possible to give the product away, and charge only a percentage of a user's income as a result of said tool.  There are tracking and enforcement issues with such a model, but good will and easy uptake by potential paying customers becomes more benevolent and reasonable.  Trust is a valid way to approach one's customers.  When I was in university, there was a bookshop in the local town without employees.  Just a box at the front door.  If you found a book you wanted, you wrote the name of the book on an envelope, put cash in that envelope, and dropped it into the slot on the top of the box as you left.  They said these was far less than theft in other book stores.  People like to be trusted.
>
> randall  
>
>
>
> Randall:
>   

This thread is about whether or not password protection should be 
disabled for RevMedia 4 stacks.

What is your point relative to that subject?


From randall at randallreetz.com  Sun Aug 23 20:09:02 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:09:02 -0700
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
Message-ID: <20090824000904.GDBI5768.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox>

Wow.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 4:46 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks

Randall Reetz wrote:
> I echo francios' sentiment.  Lock-in happens only after viral adoption.  There are of course revenue models other than retail purchase of tool license.  It would be entirely possible to give the product away, and charge only a percentage of a user's income as a result of said tool.  There are tracking and enforcement issues with such a model, but good will and easy uptake by potential paying customers becomes more benevolent and reasonable.  Trust is a valid way to approach one's customers.  When I was in university, there was a bookshop in the local town without employees.  Just a box at the front door.  If you found a book you wanted, you wrote the name of the book on an envelope, put cash in that envelope, and dropped it into the slot on the top of the box as you left.  They said these was far less than theft in other book stores.  People like to be trusted.
>
> randall  
>
>
>
> Randall:
>   

This thread is about whether or not password protection should be 
disabled for RevMedia 4 stacks.

What is your point relative to that subject?
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sun Aug 23 20:27:43 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:27:43 -0400
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
Message-ID: <892D07C7-39AE-424F-ABB8-2013B1D32595@wehostmacs.com>

wow that was totally a douche bag move there sivakatirswami

Apparently his point was lost on you so let me try to clarify it:
	do not take away the ability to password protect until after revMedia  
has blossomed like a lotus

I remember the old days of HyperCard stacks and I still have a few  
floppy disks worth of stuff kicking around here, but back on tangent,  
getting stacks (locked or not) allowed for HC to really spread out  
amongst the community and even allowed a few people to sell stacks  
(due to the fact they could lock them) even though HC (and then HC  
Player) were free..

I personally vote to leave the locking of stacks in revMedia


From coiin at rcn.com  Sun Aug 23 20:41:54 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:41:54 -0400
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <892D07C7-39AE-424F-ABB8-2013B1D32595@wehostmacs.com>
References: <892D07C7-39AE-424F-ABB8-2013B1D32595@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <052DB191-621D-46A2-9B33-EEB7D01A2A2C@rcn.com>


On Aug 23, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> I personally vote to leave the locking of stacks in revMedia


One possible model that might work could be like 3D Warehouse. There  
you can go and download almost any kind of 3D model you might want,  
and everyone who uploaded the models has agreed to allow any use of  
the model as it is, or for anyone to modify it and pass it on. A  
revMediaHouse could be a place to upload stacks you want to share with  
the world, and anyone could download it, or use it immediately in a  
browser. As part of the upload agreement you would have made sure not  
to password protect the stack. You could still put in promotional  
things for your commercial stacks, which you may have protected.

Incidentally, I never password protected any of my HyperCard stack  
floppies or CD-ROMs, and even my Director based CD-ROMs had the  
original source code buried in a folder on the disc. The way I saw  
it,  that way I had thousands of backup copies of my code.




From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sun Aug 23 20:53:20 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:53:20 -0400
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
Message-ID: <40C3119E-0F07-4731-93A7-E73185D11194@wehostmacs.com>

> A revMediaHouse could be a place to upload stacks you want to share  
> with
> the world

where were you when i was thinking of names?
i will let a kitten out of the bag, watch for an announcement near the  
end of this week ;-)
if you are really curious, feel free to email me off-list

info AT shaosean DOT tk


From coiin at rcn.com  Sun Aug 23 21:03:39 2009
From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:03:39 -0400
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <40C3119E-0F07-4731-93A7-E73185D11194@wehostmacs.com>
References: <40C3119E-0F07-4731-93A7-E73185D11194@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <7688091D-D297-413A-9A48-D98523DE01FF@rcn.com>


On Aug 23, 2009, at 8:53 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

>> A revMediaHouse could be a place to upload stacks you want to share  
>> with
>> the world
>
> where were you when i was thinking of names?
> i will let a kitten out of the bag, watch for an announcement near  
> the end of this week ;-)


You probably called it wehoststacks.com. Which is available in case  
you're now curious.






From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sun Aug 23 21:20:41 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:20:41 -0400
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
Message-ID: <F3E3F820-E610-432D-AA82-0A8E72B32BD2@wehostmacs.com>

> You probably called it wehoststacks.com.

nope, but if no-one else grabs it i will see about getting it (please  
no-one else grab it ;-)


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Aug 24 00:09:50 2009
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:09:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25110293.post@talk.nabble.com>


Leave it in.  If I were doing stuff in education, I'd want it.  Leaving it
out is just an attempt to irritate the user.  People don't upgrade because
they are irritated, but because they are pleased.  When they get irritated,
they think about finding a different solution.
-- 
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From katir at hindu.org  Mon Aug 24 01:28:35 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:28:35 -1000
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <892D07C7-39AE-424F-ABB8-2013B1D32595@wehostmacs.com>
References: <892D07C7-39AE-424F-ABB8-2013B1D32595@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <270605b0908232228t31cff58g88e92e16bbaea23f@mail.gmail.com>

Well Ha! Jai Ganesha! (smile)  I've never been called that until today.
Interesting I had to look it up:  "douche bag: informal, a loathsome or
contemptible person (used as a term of abuse)." Actually I'm not *that* bad,
really...

Seriously, I was the one who mentioned that we want it to "go viral..." and
I could not understand how Randall's discussion of "lock in" and selling
books in a book store without employees on trust relates to the issue of
whether to disable the stack protection feature on the free product
(revMedia)

It seemed we were mixing up the issue of whether the product should be free,
with the issue of whether the free product should allow users to protect
their stacks. i.e. my question on "how does it relate" was not meant as a
jab, but as a real question. He said "People like to be trusted." true...
so, Randall does *not* want password protection of stacks in the free
product? i.e. he's voted with Capellan"? and if so, why?   wasn't clear to
me....it still isn't, I must be dense.

 But, seems most of us are on the same page: we don't want to disable that
feature i.e. let anyone lock their stacks if they want to. Many who are not
just hobbists, but doing "real" work, will not use it if they *can't* secure
their data.








On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:

> wow that was totally a douche bag move there sivakatirswami
>
> Apparently his point was lost on you so let me try to clarify it:
>        do not take away the ability to password protect until after
> revMedia has blossomed like a lotus
>
> I remember the old days of HyperCard stacks and I still have a few floppy
> disks worth of stuff kicking around here, but back on tangent, getting
> stacks (locked or not) allowed for HC to really spread out amongst the
> community and even allowed a few people to sell stacks (due to the fact they
> could lock them) even though HC (and then HC Player) were free..
>
> I personally vote to leave the locking of stacks in revMedia
>
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon Aug 24 01:34:31 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 01:34:31 -0400
Subject: [ANN] RevDevelop.com
Message-ID: <DB02CDC6-67F5-40D7-A90C-3EF600AC4A87@wehostmacs.com>

	Introducing RevDevelop.com - a directory where you can post entries  
about your libraries, plugins, externals or applications for free and  
link back to your website.

	Access to the directory is free and open, but our quick, easy and  
free registration process will allow you to add entries to the  
directory.

	While we are going public now, there are more features that will be  
added during the course of this week.


< http://RevDevelop.com/ >

ps. The back-end for the site is a Rev CGI that reads in HTML files as  
needed and interfaces with a MySQL database


From randall at randallreetz.com  Mon Aug 24 01:52:05 2009
From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Reetz)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:52:05 -0700
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
Message-ID: <20090824055207.DBMC10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>

You are right, I was confused about the thread.  I thought it was a larger discussion about general product marketing and revenue models.  sorry

-----Original Message-----
From: Sannyasin Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:28 PM
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Subject: Re: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks

Well Ha! Jai Ganesha! (smile)  I've never been called that until today.
Interesting I had to look it up:  "douche bag: informal, a loathsome or
contemptible person (used as a term of abuse)." Actually I'm not *that* bad,
really...

Seriously, I was the one who mentioned that we want it to "go viral..." and
I could not understand how Randall's discussion of "lock in" and selling
books in a book store without employees on trust relates to the issue of
whether to disable the stack protection feature on the free product
(revMedia)

It seemed we were mixing up the issue of whether the product should be free,
with the issue of whether the free product should allow users to protect
their stacks. i.e. my question on "how does it relate" was not meant as a
jab, but as a real question. He said "People like to be trusted." true...
so, Randall does *not* want password protection of stacks in the free
product? i.e. he's voted with Capellan"? and if so, why?   wasn't clear to
me....it still isn't, I must be dense.

 But, seems most of us are on the same page: we don't want to disable that
feature i.e. let anyone lock their stacks if they want to. Many who are not
just hobbists, but doing "real" work, will not use it if they *can't* secure
their data.








On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:

> wow that was totally a douche bag move there sivakatirswami
>
> Apparently his point was lost on you so let me try to clarify it:
>        do not take away the ability to password protect until after
> revMedia has blossomed like a lotus
>
> I remember the old days of HyperCard stacks and I still have a few floppy
> disks worth of stuff kicking around here, but back on tangent, getting
> stacks (locked or not) allowed for HC to really spread out amongst the
> community and even allowed a few people to sell stacks (due to the fact they
> could lock them) even though HC (and then HC Player) were free..
>
> I personally vote to leave the locking of stacks in revMedia
>
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 04:17:39 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:17:39 +0100
Subject: Datagrid: dgFormattedHeight geometry question
In-Reply-To: <1AE561F2-9213-4DF9-AA99-47C63E485213@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <c1c5836b0908220837v7f968209t555d1342b057abeb@mail.gmail.com>
	<1AE561F2-9213-4DF9-AA99-47C63E485213@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908240117m67b289e9p5ac6a1a9d3ea8e0c@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/23 Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>

> Hi David,
>
> You are trying to manually update the data grid view but in so doing the
> data grid has no way of knowing that you are changing the size.
> LayoutControl is a handler in the template and therefore bypasses any logic
> in the data grid itself. RefreshList merely tells the data grid to resize
> itself.
>
> Use the technique in the webinar as that triggers the routines that
> recalculate and redraw.


OK - will do thanks. A "dgRefresh" geometry command would be nice :)


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 04:24:18 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:24:18 +0300
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <25110293.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <25110293.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4A924E32.5040502@gmail.com>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> Leave it in.  If I were doing stuff in education, I'd want it.  Leaving it
> out is just an attempt to irritate the user.  People don't upgrade because
> they are irritated, but because they are pleased.  When they get irritated,
> they think about finding a different solution.
>   
I will second that!


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Aug 24 05:00:49 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:00:49 +0100
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <4A924E32.5040502@gmail.com>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <25110293.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A924E32.5040502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9DB28E63-027B-4885-87FD-D6143536F345@azurevision.co.uk>


On 24 Aug 2009, at 09:24, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>> Leave it in.  If I were doing stuff in education, I'd want it.   
>> Leaving it
>> out is just an attempt to irritate the user.  People don't upgrade  
>> because
>> they are irritated, but because they are pleased.  When they get  
>> irritated,
>> they think about finding a different solution.
>>
> I will second that!

Thirded. I can't see disabling password protection of stacks in  
RevMedia doing anything other than irritate potential users.

People will upgrade for the ability to build standalones, not to be  
able to password a stack.

Ian



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 05:14:39 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:14:39 +0100
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <4A924E32.5040502@gmail.com>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <25110293.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A924E32.5040502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908240214j67fbeb84u70bce4743766b835@mail.gmail.com>

I'm on the fence with this one.

My definite preference would be to enable the SSL libraries on the all
versions, so that we can use proper security and access web services that
require SSL - I suspect the need for this function to grow rapidly as more
and more web services move over to tighter security models - the right
balance of openness and incentive to upgrade would be include ssl in the
free versions but easy stack level encryption in paid models.

This debate is parallel to the debate between different types of open source
license - GPL or more liberal licenses like MIT. In this debate there is a
trade off between encouraging businesses to adopt, and encouraging code to
flow back to the community. In this context RunRev are using features of the
engine to do the equivalent of what the GPL / MIT licenses do - the MIT
license allows you to lock your code additions away and not feed them back,
the GPL forces everyone to feedback.

The argument for removing the ability to password protect stacks is a good
one (thanks capellan) - but just like the GPL, the debate is open with
regard to whether it has a greater effect on stimulating the creation of
robust public domain/open source libraries than more liberal licenses.

For marketing reasons alone, whichever the choice of strategy, I've long
encouraged RunRev to adopt a clear open source strategy. A very clear signal
would be sent if they explicitly built in the ability to license and publish
code from within the editor. Allowing / disallowing certain features in the
engine can also express / help enforce the same policy - but it is more
important to work with the community and encourage clear licensing
arrangements.


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Aug 24 05:22:45 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:22:45 +0100
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0908240214j67fbeb84u70bce4743766b835@mail.gmail.com>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <25110293.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A924E32.5040502@gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0908240214j67fbeb84u70bce4743766b835@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9C405753-95EC-4985-B8EA-DEBD615B7658@azurevision.co.uk>


On 24 Aug 2009, at 10:14, David Bovill wrote:

> The argument for removing the ability to password protect stacks is  
> a good
> one (thanks capellan)

So far the arguments that I've read in the thread could be summarised  
as 'other things are limited in revMedia, so this should be as well to  
make people upgrade'.

Or am I missing a post somewhere?

Ian


From david at architex.tv  Mon Aug 24 05:24:45 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:24:45 +0100
Subject: Password protecting a revMedia 4 stack - "Yer - But - No"
In-Reply-To: <h6ru05$4ic$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <4A916FFA.7070004@gmail.com> <h6ru05$4ic$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908240224i28f4ca68ub3b469fcf3124dac@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bill - what's the logic for this? On the face of it one of the great
advantages of growing the user base is to increase the ability of the
community to create publicly available libraries and not leaving this up to
the central company (however well resourced). I'm guessing there must be a
motivation for preventing the "free" users from creating content which can
be used by customers that have paid for a license seems perverse? What am I
missing here?

2009/8/23 William Marriott <wjm at wjm.org>

> I'm missing something here.
>
> All revlets are in a "compiled" format that cannot be reverse-engineered
> back to a stack, whether or not a password is applied. This is similar to
> the .swf/.fla distinction.
>


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 24 06:40:34 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 03:40:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Password protecting a revMedia 4 stack - "Yer - But - No"
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0908240224i28f4ca68ub3b469fcf3124dac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <921925.39433.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

What Bill means is that the end-product revlet that you upload to the web server, is protected as it is turned into a different file format - but nothing prevents you from either putting the original stack right next to the revlet  for download by interested people, or sharing it to someone else via email or other means.
It's just that the revlet is protected, which sounds like a good decision to me in these days of DRM and IP-protection.

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Mon, 8/24/09, David Bovill <david at architex.tv> wrote:

> From: David Bovill <david at architex.tv>
> Subject: Re: Password protecting a revMedia 4 stack - "Yer - But - No"
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Monday, August 24, 2009, 2:24 AM
> Hi Bill - what's the logic for this?
> On the face of it one of the great
> advantages of growing the user base is to increase the
> ability of the
> community to create publicly available libraries and not
> leaving this up to
> the central company (however well resourced). I'm guessing
> there must be a
> motivation for preventing the "free" users from creating
> content which can
> be used by customers that have paid for a license seems
> perverse? What am I
> missing here?
> 
> 2009/8/23 William Marriott <wjm at wjm.org>
> 
> > I'm missing something here.
> >
> > All revlets are in a "compiled" format that cannot be
> reverse-engineered
> > back to a stack, whether or not a password is applied.
> This is similar to
> > the .swf/.fla distinction.
> >
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 06:43:39 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:43:39 +0100
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <9C405753-95EC-4985-B8EA-DEBD615B7658@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <25110293.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A924E32.5040502@gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0908240214j67fbeb84u70bce4743766b835@mail.gmail.com>
	<9C405753-95EC-4985-B8EA-DEBD615B7658@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908240343g15a27c52n978dd9d5b2fbacea@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/24 Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk>

>
> On 24 Aug 2009, at 10:14, David Bovill wrote:
>
>  The argument for removing the ability to password protect stacks is a good
>> one (thanks capellan)
>>
>
> So far the arguments that I've read in the thread could be summarised as
> 'other things are limited in revMedia, so this should be as well to make
> people upgrade'.


True - no one likes that. I especially did not like it with regard to SSL
functionality :) But you've got to admit it is in everyone's interest to
maintain strong incentives for people to upgrade and therefore provide
RunRev the revenue stream they need to keep developing the language.

I'm interested in tools, licenses, and social media that encourage
collaborative efforts - whether open source or simply online communities and
user generated content. In that context I'd argue that creating a free
environment in which *the code is unlockable* and encouraging open source
licenses for such code is technique worth considering for any company aiming
to increase the user base for a computer language.

It is controversial because we don't have good studies (yet) around these
issues. It would be interesting to ask whether a version of JavaScript that
allowed the code to be locked would have taken off more quickly or slower
than JavaScript that you could not lock, and everyone could read, hack and
learn from? We simply don't know. In the case of JavaScript - my guess is
that allowing the code to be locked would have quite seriously damaged it's
uptake and stimulated java based solutions. However I'm not coming down hard
on either side - I just think it is a good question.

My intuition on this lean towards

   1. Preventing locked/closed code suits organisations with small language
   communities and where developing robust user generated libraries is a
   priority.
   2. I'd lean towards the "allow locking/close sourcing" for larger or
   established language communities, with a wide array of existing libraries,
   where you want to encourage commercial language markets for components.

But then there is no good evidence either way for this - all we can do for
now is keep a close eye on these collaborative communities and see what
works and does not through trial and error.


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 06:56:45 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:56:45 +0100
Subject: Password protecting a revMedia 4 stack - "Yer - But - No"
In-Reply-To: <921925.39433.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <c1c5836b0908240224i28f4ca68ub3b469fcf3124dac@mail.gmail.com>
	<921925.39433.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908240356g32800efam583ccc5f0263d396@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/24 Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>

> What Bill means is that the end-product revlet that you upload to the web
> server, is protected as it is turned into a different file format - but
> nothing prevents you from either putting the original stack right next to
> the revlet  for download by interested people, or sharing it to someone else
> via email or other means.


Thanks Jan - good to know that RevMedia allows creation of stacks that are
readable by the IDE - and it's just the Revlet export fromat that's locked.


From wow at together.net  Mon Aug 24 08:28:37 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:28:37 -0400
Subject: Temporary storage of imagedata
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0908240224i28f4ca68ub3b469fcf3124dac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A916FFA.7070004@gmail.com> <h6ru05$4ic$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<c1c5836b0908240224i28f4ca68ub3b469fcf3124dac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A928775.2050108@together.net>

This is for a revlet application.

I'm looking at various ways to temporarily store image snapshots before 
displaying them in a stack. The objective is to record several hundred 
screen shots (one per second), store them temporarily, then put the 
images into a new stack, one image per card, for replay. The temporary 
storage process needs to occur very quickly, as the user is interacting 
with the main stack while the recording is taking place. Each snapshot 
is shot with a low jpegquality (30-40), as the file size of the final 
group of images must be kept to a minimum so it can be transferred 
fairly quickly over the net.

Each image is averaging 30k. 100 images is 3 mb... which will work for 
this application. Right now, I am just saving each snapshot to a file, 
then at the end of the recording process, quickly putting each image 
onto a card. That whole saving-to-stack process takes about 10 seconds 
or so, which is fine.

I'm thinking it might be better/more elegant to store the imagedata of 
all the images into one variable (rather than to separate files), but 
I'm not sure how best to store this data (since it is binary and 
contains many lines per image). Then, at the end of the recording, I 
could transfer just this data over the net (stored as one binary file), 
then either create a display stack containing one image per card, or 
maybe even better, just create one card with one image "on the fly", 
pulling the data for each image from this data variable.

Thoughts?

Thanks.
Richard Miller


From lists at futilism.com  Mon Aug 24 08:45:45 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:45:45 +0100
Subject: Temporary storage of imagedata
In-Reply-To: <4A928775.2050108@together.net>
References: <4A916FFA.7070004@gmail.com> <h6ru05$4ic$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<c1c5836b0908240224i28f4ca68ub3b469fcf3124dac@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A928775.2050108@together.net>
Message-ID: <295E9FAC-005F-4084-91AA-2018D562A8B4@futilism.com>

Richard, the imagedata will tend to be a lot bigger (maybe 10x) than  
the compressed image file, so you probably want to store <the text of  
image "someimage">, and then <set the text of image "someimage" to  
tStoredData[1]>.

The text of an image is what would be in the file - ie. <the text of  
image "someimage.jpg"> is the same as what you'd get from <get url  
("binfile:someimage.jpeg")>, whereas the imagedata is (I think) the  
actual pixels that revolution displays.

Other than that, I'd think your idea would work well.

If you store the text of your images in an array, then you could  
serialize the array with <arrayencode>, (and maybe base64encode the  
result for transmission over the net).

Best,

Mark Smith

On 24 Aug 2009, at 13:28, Richard Miller wrote:

> This is for a revlet application.
>
> I'm looking at various ways to temporarily store image snapshots  
> before displaying them in a stack. The objective is to record  
> several hundred screen shots (one per second), store them  
> temporarily, then put the images into a new stack, one image per  
> card, for replay. The temporary storage process needs to occur very  
> quickly, as the user is interacting with the main stack while the  
> recording is taking place. Each snapshot is shot with a low  
> jpegquality (30-40), as the file size of the final group of images  
> must be kept to a minimum so it can be transferred fairly quickly  
> over the net.
>
> Each image is averaging 30k. 100 images is 3 mb... which will work  
> for this application. Right now, I am just saving each snapshot to  
> a file, then at the end of the recording process, quickly putting  
> each image onto a card. That whole saving-to-stack process takes  
> about 10 seconds or so, which is fine.
>
> I'm thinking it might be better/more elegant to store the imagedata  
> of all the images into one variable (rather than to separate  
> files), but I'm not sure how best to store this data (since it is  
> binary and contains many lines per image). Then, at the end of the  
> recording, I could transfer just this data over the net (stored as  
> one binary file), then either create a display stack containing one  
> image per card, or maybe even better, just create one card with one  
> image "on the fly", pulling the data for each image from this data  
> variable.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
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From wow at together.net  Mon Aug 24 09:24:54 2009
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:24:54 -0400
Subject: Temporary storage of imagedata
In-Reply-To: <295E9FAC-005F-4084-91AA-2018D562A8B4@futilism.com>
References: <4A916FFA.7070004@gmail.com>
	<h6ru05$4ic$1@ger.gmane.org>	<c1c5836b0908240224i28f4ca68ub3b469fcf3124dac@mail.gmail.com>	<4A928775.2050108@together.net>
	<295E9FAC-005F-4084-91AA-2018D562A8B4@futilism.com>
Message-ID: <4A9294A6.90302@together.net>

Mark,

Thanks! Works perfect.

Richard



Mark Smith wrote:
> Richard, the imagedata will tend to be a lot bigger (maybe 10x) than 
> the compressed image file, so you probably want to store <the text of 
> image "someimage">, and then <set the text of image "someimage" to 
> tStoredData[1]>.
>
> The text of an image is what would be in the file - ie. <the text of 
> image "someimage.jpg"> is the same as what you'd get from <get url 
> ("binfile:someimage.jpeg")>, whereas the imagedata is (I think) the 
> actual pixels that revolution displays.
>
> Other than that, I'd think your idea would work well.
>
> If you store the text of your images in an array, then you could 
> serialize the array with <arrayencode>, (and maybe base64encode the 
> result for transmission over the net).
>
> Best,
>
> Mark Smith
>
> On 24 Aug 2009, at 13:28, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> This is for a revlet application.
>>
>> I'm looking at various ways to temporarily store image snapshots 
>> before displaying them in a stack. The objective is to record several 
>> hundred screen shots (one per second), store them temporarily, then 
>> put the images into a new stack, one image per card, for replay. The 
>> temporary storage process needs to occur very quickly, as the user is 
>> interacting with the main stack while the recording is taking place. 
>> Each snapshot is shot with a low jpegquality (30-40), as the file 
>> size of the final group of images must be kept to a minimum so it can 
>> be transferred fairly quickly over the net.
>>
>> Each image is averaging 30k. 100 images is 3 mb... which will work 
>> for this application. Right now, I am just saving each snapshot to a 
>> file, then at the end of the recording process, quickly putting each 
>> image onto a card. That whole saving-to-stack process takes about 10 
>> seconds or so, which is fine.
>>
>> I'm thinking it might be better/more elegant to store the imagedata 
>> of all the images into one variable (rather than to separate files), 
>> but I'm not sure how best to store this data (since it is binary and 
>> contains many lines per image). Then, at the end of the recording, I 
>> could transfer just this data over the net (stored as one binary 
>> file), then either create a display stack containing one image per 
>> card, or maybe even better, just create one card with one image "on 
>> the fly", pulling the data for each image from this data variable.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
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From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Mon Aug 24 09:34:06 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:34:06 -0400
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <9DB28E63-027B-4885-87FD-D6143536F345@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <25110293.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A924E32.5040502@gmail.com>
	<9DB28E63-027B-4885-87FD-D6143536F345@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <402C51A7-4D01-4273-929D-929D8613B19B@luceatlux.com>

Fourthed (if there is such a thing).  Educational use is for me the  
deciding factor.

George

On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:00 AM, Ian Wood wrote:


On 24 Aug 2009, at 09:24, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Peter Alcibiades wrote:
>> Leave it in.  If I were doing stuff in education, I'd want it.   
>> Leaving it
>> out is just an attempt to irritate the user.  People don't upgrade  
>> because
>> they are irritated, but because they are pleased.  When they get  
>> irritated,
>> they think about finding a different solution.
>>
> I will second that!

Thirded. I can't see disabling password protection of stacks in  
RevMedia doing anything other than irritate potential users.

People will upgrade for the ability to build standalones, not to be  
able to password a stack.

Ian

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From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon Aug 24 10:17:20 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:17:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SQL Yoga Query
Message-ID: <25116856.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi List,

I'm try to retrieve all the records from a table named "products"
Frist I connect to the database in the preopenstack

   dbobject_set "storage object", the long id of button "DB Storage"
   put the result into theError
   
   put dbobject_getConnection("development") into theConnA
   if theConnA is not an array then
      dbconn_create "development", "mysql"
      put the result into theError
      
      if theError is empty then
         dbconn_set "host", "www.xxxx.com"
         dbconn_set "username", "admin"
         dbconn_set "password", "xxxx"
         dbconn_set "database name", "database_name"
      end if
   end if
   dbconn_connect

And from a button I try to populate the datagrid

   put sqlquery_create("product") into theQueryA
   
   sqlquery_set theQueryA, "order by", "model"
   sqlquery_retrieveAsArray theQueryA, theRegionDataA
   put the result into theError
   
   if theError is empty then
      ## Array can be assigned directly to a data grid
      set the dgData of group "dg_test" of me to theRegionDataA
   else
      answer "Error populating regions:" && theError
   end if

But nothing happen or the protected stack appear...
What I'm doing wrong?

Salut,
Josep
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Aug 24 10:25:00 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:25:00 -0400
Subject: SQL Yoga Query
In-Reply-To: <25116856.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25116856.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <4E08B0EF-48E8-4A7D-B0FD-A29ECF220620@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 24, 2009, at 10:17 AM, Josep wrote:

> I'm try to retrieve all the records from a table named "products"

Hi Josep,

Going forward you may want to post SQL yoga related questions in the  
forums I've set up for it:

<http://www.bluemangolearning.com/forums/viewforum.php?id=15>

> And from a button I try to populate the datagrid
>
>   put sqlquery_create("product") into theQueryA
>
>   sqlquery_set theQueryA, "order by", "model"
>   sqlquery_retrieveAsArray theQueryA, theRegionDataA
>   put the result into theError
>
>   if theError is empty then
>      ## Array can be assigned directly to a data grid
>      set the dgData of group "dg_test" of me to theRegionDataA
>   else
>      answer "Error populating regions:" && theError
>   end if
>
> But nothing happen or the protected stack appear...
> What I'm doing wrong?

What do you see in the message box if you add this to the handler:

## print out MD array with first line of each key value.
put printkeys(theRegionDataA)

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 24 11:36:44 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:36:44 -0700
Subject: Password protecting a revMedia 4 stack - "Yer - But - No"
Message-ID: <4A92B38C.9040400@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

> 2009/8/24 Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>
> 
>> What Bill means is that the end-product revlet that you upload to the web
>> server, is protected as it is turned into a different file format - but
>> nothing prevents you from either putting the original stack right next to
>> the revlet  for download by interested people, or sharing it to someone else
>> via email or other means.
> 
> Thanks Jan - good to know that RevMedia allows creation of stacks that are
> readable by the IDE - and it's just the Revlet export fromat that's locked.

Good to have the confirmation, but I'm still left with a questions:

Why do Revlets use a different format?

And are there implications for desktop deployment down the road?

Or even now:  can a desktop app download and run a revlet as it would 
any other stack?

Does the "is a stack" operator return true for revlets?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Aug 24 12:02:44 2009
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:02:44 +0100
Subject: Password protecting a revMedia 4 stack - "Yer - But - No"
In-Reply-To: <4A92B38C.9040400@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C6B87834.4E0B%kevin@runrev.com>

On 24/08/2009 16:36, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

>> Thanks Jan - good to know that RevMedia allows creation of stacks that are
>> readable by the IDE - and it's just the Revlet export fromat that's locked.
> 
> Good to have the confirmation, but I'm still left with a questions:
> 
> Why do Revlets use a different format?

They are more space efficient. They carry header information that allows
revStudio/Enterprise users to customize the loading screen. The format is
ready for us to move it forward to be streamed in the future. They are more
secure and much harder to reverse engineer. And they also carry the new
security tags which are necessary for the Web environment.

> And are there implications for desktop deployment down the road?

We're using the same format to build standalones now. The much improved
format allows us to produce a better executable. So for example, on Windows
you can now modify the size of desktop icons using a resource editor, or
digitally sign the executable.

> Or even now:  can a desktop app download and run a revlet as it would
> any other stack?

You'll be able to double click a revlet, the goal for launch is that if you
don't have revWeb installed it will pop up and ask you if you want to
download it. revWeb will be able to display windows on the desktop, too. Our
business model (revMedia is free and the revWeb experience needs to be
provided and controlled by us to create viral marketing) does not extend to
using revlets within your standalones. If you need to do that, use stacks.
There will be limitations on using stacks created within revMedia in
standalones too, specifically they will display branding.

> Does the "is a stack" operator return true for revlets?

It returns false if you pass it the file path of a revlet.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools




From rman at free.fr  Mon Aug 24 12:10:53 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Maniquant)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:10:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <402C51A7-4D01-4273-929D-929D8613B19B@luceatlux.com>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <25110293.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A924E32.5040502@gmail.com>
	<9DB28E63-027B-4885-87FD-D6143536F345@azurevision.co.uk>
	<402C51A7-4D01-4273-929D-929D8613B19B@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <25118837.post@talk.nabble.com>


For or against password protection in the free runrev version?

We chose to live in a world where exchange is at the basis of a lot of
things. The openSOurce movement also rests on that basis : I give my code
for free, but In exchange, i'll get a lot more for free too. Well, How do I
live as a programmer? Maybe i manage to sell a few (or a lot!) of tailored
made solutions, which I can do in less time since I share all these goodies.
So far I understand, both universe (commercial and shared open source) live
hand in hand and should work han in hand.

That leaves us with a refined question which scope extends further than just
the password protection : how can runrev favor the growth of a really cool
network of passionates and professionals with two levels : 1) share as many
ressources as possible 2) sell the one that needs to, thus virtually
creating a new market segment. Same question arises for the "grand public"
at large : how to share as many ressources as possible and how to sell as
many as possible too!

So far it seems that the group of runrev users managed to keep a very good
"group ware " attitude. i am very grateful to all the people who published
stacks who helped me grasp a few more things, and I will not miss the
occasion myself to do the same. 
I do not know about other languages since I chose to concentrate on runrev,
and am happy with this choice. I did notice though, that the new version of
runrev online has had much less succes than the original on in terms of
number of stacks shared. Also classification of stack is really bad to my
view.. 

So that leads me to the following idea : there should be an incentive to
publish and share stacks and libraries, (and perhaps a kind of penality for
people who never do share anything... ?) 

So my pratical proposition is :
a) to remove the possibility to protect a stack in the fully free version
for standAlones and for the web version

b) to ask the same price as former runrev media entry level to allow
protection (it was around 50 dollars). [This is already a big improvement
since previously for 50 dollars you could not create a standalone].

c) Studio and enterprise pricing seem ok to me. The SSL thingy should be
made more widely avaailable too, WHEN and only when its use will be more
widespsread and less expensive (to day SSL requires quite a few expensives
ceritficates anyways, so useless for everybody as things are yet). 

and d) REWARD people who share stacks on revOnline by sending them free
upgrade coupons to the protected version. And free purchase coupons for
studio and enterprise versions. Also have a section "shared stacks" in the
monthly newsletter and put forward people who participate letting the have
an occasion to promote their products and services around runrev. As well as
a yearly "prize" of best shared stacks to honor their donors!
== > It cost nothing to runrev to do so 
==> it is normal to reward people for participating
==> it is essential to communicate on the need to establish a great
community (this was one of the basis of HYPERCARD).

e) setUp a much better exchange network for all runrev developpers, a kind
of runrev market place. With well thought sharing strategies and rules. And
a place to make community bids to encourage developpers add some libraries
by sharing the cost among as many users as possible. (I' de really need a
better audio library but can't afford it alone!! smile!)

ANNOUCEMENT I would personnaly like to participate it he setting up of such
a platform and I do make a call here to constitute a pilot group !! PLease,
any people interested, drop a private message, thanks.


I have the feeling that runrev went TOO FAR TOO QUICKLY ahaed in providing a
full version totally free and not making a very big point on the groupWare
attitude which is very intelligent, sexy and really efficient, but which
needs to be actively SUSTAINED (and not only talked about as a selling
argument.. ). But.. it's by doing and taking the plunge that things happen
so, nice move runrev!


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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Aug 24 12:28:30 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:28:30 -0600
Subject: Disabled Shortcut Command+Q on MacOS
In-Reply-To: <3FDFEB36-A088-4436-8540-88B27C435A95@kenjikojima.com>
References: <B8FE568C-1DB7-420D-AB45-450025B64514@kenjikojima.com>
	<D2BAAE56-D95F-4E96-BFE7-5AD6D6CDD938@byu.edu>
	<3FDFEB36-A088-4436-8540-88B27C435A95@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <442AB25C-4D56-4344-861F-FDD5FC61F940@byu.edu>

On Aug 21, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Kenji Kojima wrote:

> Mark, Devin
>
> AppleEvent worked what I wanted.
> ShutdownRequest worked too, but I needed force quit.

Kenji,

Sorry, I didn't understand exactly what you needed. You can prevent an  
app from showing up on the dock and in Force Quit window by adding a  
property to the plist for the app. It is the LSUIElement property and  
it is described at http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2062.html#NotShowUpInForceQuit

What I do is insert the property in the app's plist to create a  
faceless application (one that doesn't appear in Force Quit list or in  
Dock):

<key> LSUIElement </key>
<string>1</string>

I find it's best to use the Property List Editor application to do  
this rather than a text editor.

Once you have done this you may not see the change right away, because  
of the way OS X stores information about installed apps. Here's a  
quote from a thread a couple of years ago on this topic:

<quote>
The issue is somewhat similar to the icon issue on Mac OS X, where the  
new icon doesn't show up unless you goose the app by zipping and  
unzipping it, opening Get Info and selecting and deleting the generic  
icon. Different people have different ways of fixing this. In the case  
of LSIElement, if you have ever launched your standalone *before*  
adding the LSUIElement node to the plist, then you add it and launch  
the standalone again, the change is not respected by the OS. Something  
about the application database or cache the OS keeps. Try this: make  
your standalone, and be sure to change the plist file before you ever  
launch it. Or, take your standalone to another OS X machine and launch  
it. You will see the desired effect. There may a better method for  
forcing the OS to see your app as a brand-new, never-run-before  
program, but one of these techniques always works for me.
</quote>

Hope this helps.

devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Aug 24 12:38:45 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:38:45 +0100
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <25118837.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <25110293.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A924E32.5040502@gmail.com>
	<9DB28E63-027B-4885-87FD-D6143536F345@azurevision.co.uk>
	<402C51A7-4D01-4273-929D-929D8613B19B@luceatlux.com>
	<25118837.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AB545C01-BA30-4954-A953-3FFC2A0C997F@azurevision.co.uk>


On 24 Aug 2009, at 17:10, Robert Maniquant wrote:

> I have the feeling that runrev went TOO FAR TOO QUICKLY ahaed in  
> providing a
> full version totally free

For historical accuracy, it's probably worth pointing out that the  
lower end version has gone *back* to being free like it was several  
years ago...

Ian


From index at kenjikojima.com  Mon Aug 24 12:44:39 2009
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:44:39 -0400
Subject: Disabled Shortcut Command+Q on MacOS
In-Reply-To: <442AB25C-4D56-4344-861F-FDD5FC61F940@byu.edu>
References: <B8FE568C-1DB7-420D-AB45-450025B64514@kenjikojima.com>
	<D2BAAE56-D95F-4E96-BFE7-5AD6D6CDD938@byu.edu>
	<3FDFEB36-A088-4436-8540-88B27C435A95@kenjikojima.com>
	<442AB25C-4D56-4344-861F-FDD5FC61F940@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <77B559CC-4EF5-4D13-B8CD-CE6AC20AFC2E@kenjikojima.com>

On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:28 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

> http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2062.html#NotShowUpInForceQuit
>

I will try it later.

Thank you,

--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 24 13:20:48 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:20:48 -0700
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
Message-ID: <4A92CBF0.1080105@fourthworld.com>

Ian Wood wrote:

> On 24 Aug 2009, at 17:10, Robert Maniquant wrote:
> 
>> I have the feeling that runrev went TOO FAR TOO QUICKLY ahaed in  
>> providing a
>> full version totally free
> 
> For historical accuracy, it's probably worth pointing out that the  
> lower end version has gone *back* to being free like it was several  
> years ago...

Which version was that?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Aug 24 14:08:03 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:08:03 +0100
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <4A92CBF0.1080105@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A92CBF0.1080105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A813530B-3B05-4F58-BA5B-BFCCE883D9B3@azurevision.co.uk>


On 24 Aug 2009, at 18:20, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Ian Wood wrote:
>>>
>> For historical accuracy, it's probably worth pointing out that the   
>> lower end version has gone *back* to being free like it was  
>> several  years ago...
>
> Which version was that?

Unless my memory is failing, wasn't the predecessor to Dreamcard free?  
Or was that only to people in education?

Ian



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Aug 24 14:44:52 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 19:44:52 +0100
Subject: Rev conferences - images of the past and the future...
Message-ID: <CA360F93-6520-42CE-A6D7-2AF436CE0E9C@azurevision.co.uk>

Looking back to Malta, with sadness at Eric's passing:
http://www.landmarksofbritain.co.uk/eurorevcon_2006

And a sneak peek of the venue for next week, photographed a few years  
ago on commission:
http://beta.ianjameswood.co.uk/keywords/our-dynamic-earth

Ian


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon Aug 24 14:54:16 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:54:16 -0400
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
Message-ID: <844EC8E5-9538-45AF-B348-BAC1DEEE54E3@wehostmacs.com>

> setUp a much better exchange network for all runrev developpers, a  
> kind of runrev market place

sorry for the plug < www.revdevelop.com >  is that something like what  
you were talking about?


> lower end version has gone *back* to being free

yup.. when Rev first came out (and MetaCard was still around) there  
was a free starter kit version that allowed you full access to the IDE/ 
language with a 10-line script limit, and you were able to build  
standalone too..


Personally I think the ability to lock stacks is a great way for  
people to share them and not have to worry about having code lifted..  
Here is a nice example:

- someone downloads revMedia and develops some little stacks here and  
there and releases them with source unlocked
- after a couple of months they get the hang of Rev and are looking at  
upgrading to Studio (or even Enterprise), but sadly funds are short  
and they cannot afford to (starving student, shareware authour, etc ;-)
- they write a really cool library that some people have been asking  
for on the mailing list

at this point if they were not able to password protect it, there is  
no way you would be able to sell the library because people could go  
in and remove your demo code, etc, etc.. password protection of the  
library will allow that person to sell their library, get some money  
and upgrade their copy of Rev (or buy something for their mom)

-Sean


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Aug 24 14:59:53 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:59:53 +0200
Subject: Rev conferences - images of the past and the future...
In-Reply-To: <CA360F93-6520-42CE-A6D7-2AF436CE0E9C@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <CA360F93-6520-42CE-A6D7-2AF436CE0E9C@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <02290A5D-D2AC-4A8F-93DC-C24C376D7341@ezpzapps.com>


On Aug 24, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Ian Wood wrote:

> Looking back to Malta, with sadness at Eric's passing:
> http://www.landmarksofbritain.co.uk/eurorevcon_2006
>
> And a sneak peek of the venue for next week, photographed a few  
> years ago on commission:
> http://beta.ianjameswood.co.uk/keywords/our-dynamic-earth
>
> Ian


Thanks for bringing up those memories Ian.

Finally meeting so many people I knew only from emails was a real  
blast. Cloe was a bit skeptical about how she'd be able to relate to a  
bunch of "programmer types" but after meeting all of you she said  
"they are such great people, so easy to talk to, so unassuming"
(don't destroy her delusions   ;-)

We are both thrilled we were able to throw together those two little  
parties.

Best of luck to Kevin and RunRev for all future RevCons.

Long Live RevCons!


sims & Cloe






From katir at hindu.org  Mon Aug 24 15:15:02 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:15:02 -1000
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <20090824055207.DBMC10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
References: <20090824055207.DBMC10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
Message-ID: <4A92E6B6.4030007@hindu.org>

Randall Reetz wrote:
> You are right, I was confused about the thread.  I thought it was a larger discussion about general product marketing and revenue models.  sorry
>   


David has brought the issue into very clear focus.  David, thanks for 
taking the time to elucidate this so well. Whether to go open source or 
not is another big discussion. I'm not competent to enter in there.

But on the locking of stacks made by a free product - revmedia:

David wrote:  "This debate is parallel to the debate between different 
types of open source license - GPL or more liberal licenses like MIT. In 
this debate there is a trade off between encouraging businesses to 
adopt, and encouraging code to flow back to the community."

 Much as I love the "flow back to the community" principle, it probably 
has to fall the other way.  Another piece in this big puzzle:

Here in house we are deeply focused right now on the e-book revolution, 
every day pumping PDF's up to scribed kindle etc. and watching trends... 
and this is also tying into the edu world where ink on paper text books, 
and even PDF's of materials originally designed for print, one might say 
are something that will be fading. With HP's possible big contract in 
California to sell their notebook emasse to schools and text book 
publishers scrambling to deal with the inevitable digital delivery of 
the former 12 pound engineering text. Revmedia has a possible huge 
market share about to open up. Educators at least will need security, 
not necessarily to only to hide their stack code, but for all kinds of 
other reasons (test answers, access to records, url's pointing to 
content on servers, proprietary imagery, music)



From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 15:48:02 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 22:48:02 +0300
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <4A92CBF0.1080105@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A92CBF0.1080105@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A92EE72.6000508@gmail.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Ian Wood wrote:
>
>> On 24 Aug 2009, at 17:10, Robert Maniquant wrote:
>>
>>> I have the feeling that runrev went TOO FAR TOO QUICKLY ahaed in  
>>> providing a
>>> full version totally free
>>
>> For historical accuracy, it's probably worth pointing out that the  
>> lower end version has gone *back* to being free like it was several  
>> years ago...
>
> Which version was that?
>
Lurking on my hard drives, somewhere, are various versions of Runtime 
Revolution: 2.0.1 backwards -
that allowed one to make stacks, and standalones from those stacks, as 
long as each object contained
no more than 10 lines of code.

I developed a CD for musical instruction in Scottish schools (got badly 
"diddled" by the person
whi hired me; but that is another story), the Agent-led GUI for my MSc 
thesis, and a CD for
Bulgarian school-kids to prep for their Bulgarian literature exams with
RR 2.0.1.  As I do not, currently, own any version of RunRev post 2.0.1 
(except for the totally
free 2.2.1 version put out by Novell a few years back) that is capable 
of producing standalones,
on the very few occasions I have had to produce standalones for either 
Mac or Windows I have
used 2.0.1.

revMedia 4B is both "better" and "worse" if compared with RunRev 2.0.1: 
it can tolerate
unlimited lines of code (I know, I've been up to my eyeballs in lengthy, 
extremely tedious
scripts recently), but cannot produce standalones.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Aug 24 16:09:39 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:09:39 -0700
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
Message-ID: <4A92F383.6070203@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Ian Wood wrote:
>>> For historical accuracy, it's probably worth pointing out that the  
>>> lower end version has gone *back* to being free like it was several  
>>> years ago...
>>
>> Which version was that?
>>
> Lurking on my hard drives, somewhere, are various versions of Runtime 
> Revolution: 2.0.1 backwards -
> that allowed one to make stacks, and standalones from those stacks, as 
> long as each object contained
> no more than 10 lines of code.

Ah yes - I'd forgotten that RunRev used to honor the same licensing MC did.

It was amazing what some folks came up with within those limits, like 
you did with your musical instruction stacks.

I can understand why RR moved to time-based trials, but for a language 
this rich and unique having RevMedia for free lets people spend much 
more time to really get a feel for what they can do with it.  30 days 
just wasn't enough for a sole-source proprietary language.  A very good 
change, much better than the old scriptLimits-based option.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Mon Aug 24 16:24:34 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:24:34 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev unveils its 'decoder' - Tues, Aug 25 @ 10AM CDT/US
Message-ID: <539166A1-D3D3-4F8A-8AD4-367224737DFC@me.com>

Boyz-n-gurlz,

It is with great pleasure that I announce the exact time and place  
where you can discover a kinder, gentler, faster, more flexible form  
of debugging for Revolution!

Just go to the tRev site (http://reveditor.com) Tuesday (tomorrow)  
morning at 10AM CDT/US. We will have a pretty compelling video posted  
at the top of the site.

To find out more about this great new feature (new paradigm) called  
'decoding', check out this post:

http://reveditor.com/avoiding-big-and-complicated-in-trev

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Aug 24 17:30:02 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:30:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <A813530B-3B05-4F58-BA5B-BFCCE883D9B3@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <4A92CBF0.1080105@fourthworld.com>
	<A813530B-3B05-4F58-BA5B-BFCCE883D9B3@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0908241429280.15733@ecs.fullerton.edu>

I don't recall it being free for education ;-)

Not that we didn't get a nice discount...

Judy

On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Ian Wood wrote:

> Unless my memory is failing, wasn't the predecessor to Dreamcard free? Or was 
> that only to people in education?


From jmyepes at mac.com  Mon Aug 24 17:40:43 2009
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:40:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: SQL Yoga Query
In-Reply-To: <4E08B0EF-48E8-4A7D-B0FD-A29ECF220620@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <25116856.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4E08B0EF-48E8-4A7D-B0FD-A29ECF220620@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <25123674.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi Trevor,

I reply you in the other forum.

Salut,
Josep
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From katir at hindu.org  Mon Aug 24 17:51:14 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:51:14 -1000
Subject: Future RevMedia Users Here
Message-ID: <4A930B52.9020101@hindu.org>

They are waiting with bated breath for the official release:

http://www.fi.edu/fellows/fellow1/apr99/author.html




From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Tue Aug 25 03:46:39 2009
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:46:39 -0700
Subject: long FieldName to owning stackName
Message-ID: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>

I'm guessing that there is an elegant way of deriving the name of the  
owning stack when given the long name of a field.  Unfortunately my  
current strategy feels a chunking hack.  :  )  Ideas?

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Aug 25 03:55:42 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:55:42 +0200
Subject: long FieldName to owning stackName
In-Reply-To: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <F9682414-4D2D-48CD-9D30-A8041844C39E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Scott,

You might try this:

put the owner of the owner of fld 1
put the owner of the owner of myLongFieldName

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On 25 aug 2009, at 09:46, Scott Morrow wrote:

> I'm guessing that there is an elegant way of deriving the name of  
> the owning stack when given the long name of a field.  Unfortunately  
> my current strategy feels a chunking hack.  :  )  Ideas?
>
> Scott Morrow



From lists at futilism.com  Tue Aug 25 03:58:29 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:58:29 +0100
Subject: long FieldName to owning stackName
In-Reply-To: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <3AAFB3D6-7722-4B13-A7C6-43A963D349B9@futilism.com>

Scott, what's wrong with chunking? However, to get a list:

function objectOwner objectId
    put the owner of objectId into tOwner
    if tOwner is not empty then
       put tOwner & cr & objectOwner(tOwner) after tList
    end if
    return tList
end objectOwner

so
put objectOwner(the long id of fld 1)
will show something like:

group id 1008
card id 1002
stack "Untitled 1"

On 25 Aug 2009, at 08:46, Scott Morrow wrote:

> I'm guessing that there is an elegant way of deriving the name of  
> the owning stack when given the long name of a field.   
> Unfortunately my current strategy feels a chunking hack.  :  )  Ideas?
>
> Scott Morrow
>
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 25 03:59:11 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:59:11 -0700
Subject: long FieldName to owning stackName
In-Reply-To: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <F6C7F597-33D7-4850-B31B-E169695CC5AC@yahoo.com>

one way is to

get the long name of fld 1
replace "/" with cr in IT
get char 1 to -2 of line -1 of IT

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:46 AM, Scott Morrow wrote:

> I'm guessing that there is an elegant way of deriving the name of  
> the owning stack when given the long name of a field.  Unfortunately  
> my current strategy feels a chunking hack.  :  )  Ideas?
>
> Scott Morrow


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Tue Aug 25 04:04:36 2009
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:04:36 -0700
Subject: long FieldName to owning stackName
In-Reply-To: <F6C7F597-33D7-4850-B31B-E169695CC5AC@yahoo.com>
References: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>
	<F6C7F597-33D7-4850-B31B-E169695CC5AC@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5B269639-081F-4394-9374-4D0153644497@elementarysoftware.com>

Mark, Mark and Jim... Thanks!
-Scott

On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:59 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> one way is to
>
> get the long name of fld 1
> replace "/" with cr in IT
> get char 1 to -2 of line -1 of IT
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:46 AM, Scott Morrow wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing that there is an elegant way of deriving the name of  
>> the owning stack when given the long name of a field.   
>> Unfortunately my current strategy feels a chunking hack.  :  )   
>> Ideas?
>>
>> Scott Morrow
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From wjm at wjm.org  Tue Aug 25 05:27:01 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (William Marriott)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:27:01 +0100
Subject: long FieldName to owning stackName
In-Reply-To: <F6C7F597-33D7-4850-B31B-E169695CC5AC@yahoo.com>
References: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>
	<F6C7F597-33D7-4850-B31B-E169695CC5AC@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <h70ap5$2ch$1@ger.gmane.org>

why not:

the last word of the long name of control x



Jim Ault wrote:
> one way is to
> 
> get the long name of fld 1
> replace "/" with cr in IT
> get char 1 to -2 of line -1 of IT
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:46 AM, Scott Morrow wrote:
> 
>> I'm guessing that there is an elegant way of deriving the name of the 
>> owning stack when given the long name of a field.  Unfortunately my 
>> current strategy feels a chunking hack.  :  )  Ideas?



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Aug 25 05:28:37 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:28:37 +0200
Subject: long FieldName to owning stackName
In-Reply-To: <h70ap5$2ch$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>
	<F6C7F597-33D7-4850-B31B-E169695CC5AC@yahoo.com>
	<h70ap5$2ch$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <0557A1A3-5136-40E7-92A8-F4CE0C1399C5@economy-x-talk.com>

Not, because that might give you the wrong stack file.

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On 25 aug 2009, at 11:27, William Marriott wrote:

> why not:
>
> the last word of the long name of control x
>



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Tue Aug 25 05:46:38 2009
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 02:46:38 -0700
Subject: long FieldName to owning stackName
In-Reply-To: <h70ap5$2ch$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>
	<F6C7F597-33D7-4850-B31B-E169695CC5AC@yahoo.com>
	<h70ap5$2ch$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <35767ECD-3B49-4B92-814F-62800536ABF1@elementarysoftware.com>

What about this variation?

if word -5 of the long name of control x is "stack" then
      put word -4 of the long name of control x into tStackName
  else -- the stack hasn't been saved yet
      put word -1 of the long name of control x into tStackName
end if


On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:27 AM, William Marriott wrote:

> why not:
>
> the last word of the long name of control x
>
>
>
> Jim Ault wrote:
>> one way is to
>> get the long name of fld 1
>> replace "/" with cr in IT
>> get char 1 to -2 of line -1 of IT
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>> On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:46 AM, Scott Morrow wrote:
>>> I'm guessing that there is an elegant way of deriving the name of  
>>> the owning stack when given the long name of a field.   
>>> Unfortunately my current strategy feels a chunking hack.  :  )   
>>> Ideas?
>
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From wjm at wjm.org  Tue Aug 25 05:51:13 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (William Marriott)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:51:13 +0100
Subject: long FieldName to owning stackName
In-Reply-To: <0557A1A3-5136-40E7-92A8-F4CE0C1399C5@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>	<F6C7F597-33D7-4850-B31B-E169695CC5AC@yahoo.com>	<h70ap5$2ch$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<0557A1A3-5136-40E7-92A8-F4CE0C1399C5@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <h70c6h$7b9$1@ger.gmane.org>

Well, it will always reference the mainstack of the control; by 
definition, substacks aren't separate files, so the *file* name will 
always be correct. Yes?

The issue with using "owner" is that technically you would have to 
recurse through an indeterminate number of owner levels, for groups 
nested within groups.

If you need the name of the substack, then you probably can't get away 
with a one-liner

put the long name of control n into x
put word 1 to 2 of (char offset(" stack" && quote,x) to -1 of x)

It really depends on what you specifically need and the usage, but in 
any event, I don't consider using chunk expressions to be a "hack" in 
this case.


Mark Schonewille wrote:
> Not, because that might give you the wrong stack file.
> 
> On 25 aug 2009, at 11:27, William Marriott wrote:
> 
>> why not:
>>
>> the last word of the long name of control x



From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Tue Aug 25 06:19:24 2009
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 03:19:24 -0700
Subject: long FieldName to owning stackName
In-Reply-To: <h70c6h$7b9$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>	<F6C7F597-33D7-4850-B31B-E169695CC5AC@yahoo.com>	<h70ap5$2ch$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<0557A1A3-5136-40E7-92A8-F4CE0C1399C5@economy-x-talk.com>
	<h70c6h$7b9$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <9929444A-3F66-44D8-8435-BCF76CDDFC80@elementarysoftware.com>

> I don't consider using chunk expressions to be a "hack" in this case.

I love chunking it was just MY chunking that was a hack (as in a nasty  
hacking cough).

This piece of chunking is cool (as in Daddy-O) and just what I needed,  
too.
> put word 1 to 2 of (char offset(" stack" && quote,x) to -1 of x)


-Scott



On Aug 25, 2009, at 2:51 AM, William Marriott wrote:

> Well, it will always reference the mainstack of the control; by  
> definition, substacks aren't separate files, so the *file* name will  
> always be correct. Yes?
>
> The issue with using "owner" is that technically you would have to  
> recurse through an indeterminate number of owner levels, for groups  
> nested within groups.
>
> If you need the name of the substack, then you probably can't get  
> away with a one-liner
>
> put the long name of control n into x
> put word 1 to 2 of (char offset(" stack" && quote,x) to -1 of x)
>
> It really depends on what you specifically need and the usage, but  
> in any event, I don't consider using chunk expressions to be a  
> "hack" in this case.
>
>
> Mark Schonewille wrote:
>> Not, because that might give you the wrong stack file.
>> On 25 aug 2009, at 11:27, William Marriott wrote:
>>> why not:
>>>
>>> the last word of the long name of control x
>
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From rman at free.fr  Tue Aug 25 10:17:19 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Maniquant)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 07:17:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0908241429280.15733@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com> <4A92CBF0.1080105@fourthworld.com>
	<A813530B-3B05-4F58-BA5B-BFCCE883D9B3@azurevision.co.uk>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908241429280.15733@ecs.fullerton.edu>
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I do not beleive in totally free stuff, at least not concerning a major
program one uses regularly and one relies upon. 
- From a practical point of view, we all want the language, the IDE to
evolve as fast as possible and this costs and the end result cannot be free. 
- From a psychological point of view, I was happy buying out runrev at the
start, with a nice discount. I jumped in came to like it (and hate it at the
time too!) and was happy later on to pay again and more ! You're more likely
to be happy to pay up, if you feel you have benefitted from a nice discount
a time. Stepping from free to payment could be less easy.

THere is an important saying in all education matters, psy coaching etc that
paying something gives value to what your are doing, learning. The great
opportunity we have with softwares is that we can reduce cost dramaticcaly
if we manage to communicate at large. But it sounds much more solid to me if
there remains some element of exchange, be it in the form of payment or
sharing things with a community. 


Judy Perry wrote:
> 
> I don't recall it being free for education ;-)
> 
> Not that we didn't get a nice discount...
> 
> Judy
> 
> On Mon, 24 Aug 2009, Ian Wood wrote:
> 
>> Unless my memory is failing, wasn't the predecessor to Dreamcard free? Or
>> was 
>> that only to people in education?
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 25 10:44:32 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:44:32 +0000
Subject: Change font color of script editor?
Message-ID: <00038466.4A9414EF@the-office.us>

Hi,

i have searched the list mails back to 2005, so please excuse, if this was discussed earlier.

Am i missing something or is it really not possible to change the font color within the settings dialog for the editor in Revolution? I would like to change the background to black. But with black colored font that make no senes.

Regards,

Matthias




From bvg at mac.com  Tue Aug 25 10:50:17 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:50:17 +0200
Subject: Change font color of script editor?
In-Reply-To: <00038466.4A9414EF@the-office.us>
References: <00038466.4A9414EF@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <676CD589-FB6E-4752-9E61-F93995FA24CD@mac.com>

The new script editor (since 3.0 i think) does not allow that. RunRev  
decided to use non-rev code in a special ide-only engine for the  
colorisation of the script editor. previously the script editor field  
was a standard rev field, where you could have done what you want.

On 25 Aug 2009, at 16:44, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i have searched the list mails back to 2005, so please excuse, if  
> this was discussed earlier.
>
> Am i missing something or is it really not possible to change the  
> font color within the settings dialog for the editor in Revolution?  
> I would like to change the background to black. But with black  
> colored font that make no senes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>


-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"



From david at architex.tv  Tue Aug 25 10:57:57 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:57:57 +0100
Subject: Change font color of script editor?
In-Reply-To: <676CD589-FB6E-4752-9E61-F93995FA24CD@mac.com>
References: <00038466.4A9414EF@the-office.us>
	<676CD589-FB6E-4752-9E61-F93995FA24CD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908250757j54139677o7a83c6a96170292c@mail.gmail.com>

Really? Tell me more - AFAIK it's still a standard rev field - though I
haven;t dug into the colourisation script yet?

2009/8/25 Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com>

> The new script editor (since 3.0 i think) does not allow that. RunRev
> decided to use non-rev code in a special ide-only engine for the
> colorisation of the script editor. previously the script editor field was a
> standard rev field, where you could have done what you want.
>
> On 25 Aug 2009, at 16:44, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>>
>> i have searched the list mails back to 2005, so please excuse, if this was
>> discussed earlier.
>>
>> Am i missing something or is it really not possible to change the font
>> color within the settings dialog for the editor in Revolution? I would like
>> to change the background to black. But with black colored font that make no
>> senes.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Aug 25 10:58:29 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:58:29 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev Decoder Video delayed one hour
Message-ID: <A21CB801-F78B-4900-98DA-1118BD1FADF2@me.com>

Coders,

The video showing tRev's new decoder feature will be a little later  
than anticipated.

Check here for details:

     http://reveditor.com/de-construct-your-code-with-trevs-decoder

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From niconiko at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 11:03:38 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:03:38 +0900
Subject: Change font color of script editor?
In-Reply-To: <00038466.4A9414EF@the-office.us>
References: <00038466.4A9414EF@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70908250803s3d4fbd3age8b60e9a68c715e0@mail.gmail.com>

Mathias,

It's not possible in Rev.

Here's what I've done instead, but be advised that it's tricky and may
have unknow side-effects -- in my own case, two I've found are  the
flashing insertion point is not visible against a black background,
and the Help Document font colors will require tweaking.

In Preferences, set background color to black (actually, a dark grey
is better, if you want to see the flashing insertion point) and
check-on "Revolution UI Elements appear in lists of stacks".

Next, open the "Script Editor" (for any object). Open the "Application
Browser" to find listed "revNewScriptEditor" (not "revNewScriptEditor
1" etc); click its card 1 to show the stack.

Do a Search on the "revNewScriptEditor" stack for the first line of
this handler:

   "command seColorizationLoadScheme pScheme, @pPreferencesArray"

In that handler, look for 'case "default"', where you'll see lines like this:

   "group commands none 255,255,0"

The "none" refers to a font style (none, italic, bold -- but I'm not
sure if those are the exact terms), and the set of numbers is the RGB
color code.

Play around with those number sets till you find a combination you
like. And then save the stack.

Again, though, this type of modification is not the usual thing to do
with Rev. In fact, before making changes to the color codes, make a
backup copy of the scripts you change in case you want to revert to
things as they were.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From livfoss at mac.com  Tue Aug 25 11:39:03 2009
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:39:03 +0200
Subject: Naive question about interacting with web pages
Message-ID: <46925A0E-8CF7-40F0-AD2C-270FB7DF84AA@mac.com>

It's the silly season, so here goes...

Unlike more or less everyone else on this list (I suspect) I am not  
used to mixing Rev and the Internet. I've been looking at the RunRev  
tutorial material about this sort of thing, and some of it I  
understand pretty easily - for example the stack for retrieving  
weather data from the BBC web site. This essentially calculates image  
names on the basis of a convention used by the BBC for the time,  
region or whatever and then downloads them. Fine. Now what about the  
kind of site that invites you to put in some reference (say it's a  
catalogue reference or a post code or some key or other), after which  
you activate some kind of server-side code execution by clicking a  
button, pressing return or whatever; this then generates a result,  
let's say an image of a particular product in the catalogue, which is  
visible via the user's browser; this resultant image is not available  
via a URL until explicitly retrieved or constructed for the user's  
benefit, for example it might be extracted from a database, so the BBC  
Weather example doesn't apply.

Now, what if I want to use a Rev program to simulate the user  
interaction to a site like that - so that my Rev program inserts the  
product code, presses return, waits for the image to be generated, and  
then downloads it (not a screen grab, since the image might have a  
higher resolution than the browser can display)? What I need is a way  
of interacting with the web page(s) involved (or really the underlying  
html), almost by simulating key strokes. I suppose I want to treat the  
html as a kind of API for the facilities of the site.

Is this possible, and is it possible without using an external  
browser? I feel it ought to be, but I just don't know where to start.  
Can anyone explain what kind of route I should follow?

TIA

Graham


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Aug 25 11:57:18 2009
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 08:57:18 -0700
Subject: long FieldName to owning stackName
In-Reply-To: <F6C7F597-33D7-4850-B31B-E169695CC5AC@yahoo.com>
References: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>
	<F6C7F597-33D7-4850-B31B-E169695CC5AC@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <191659756515.20090825085718@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 12:59:11 AM, you wrote:

> get the long name of fld 1
> replace "/" with cr in IT
> get char 1 to -2 of line -1 of IT

That will give you the *filename*, but not necessarily the stack name.
I use a variation on this:

set the itemdelimiter to tab
put the long name of field 1 into tName
replace "of" with tab in tName
put item -1 of tName into tStack
put the name of tStack

although if you need to find the substack name then, as Bill pointed
out, you'd need to do something like

set the itemdelimiter to tab
put the long name of field 1 into tName
replace "of" with tab in tName
put item itemoffset(" stack" && quote, tName) of tName into tStack
put the name of tStack

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Aug 25 12:29:33 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:29:33 -0500
Subject: long FieldName to owning stackName
In-Reply-To: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <59BAD2EB-4D91-44B8-89D4-22FFC7253EE8@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4A94116D.4050003@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott Morrow wrote:
> I'm guessing that there is an elegant way of deriving the name of the 
> owning stack when given the long name of a field.  Unfortunately my 
> current strategy feels a chunking hack.  :  )  Ideas?

To add to the mix:

I routinely have this in my main stack script:

function main
   return the short name of me
end main

I learned it from Richard and it is more handy than you'd think. I use 
it all the time. If it's a substack name you want, then in most cases 
your handler can just get "the short name of this stack" (as long as the 
defaultstack is the one that's asking.)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Tue Aug 25 12:56:17 2009
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:56:17 +0000
Subject: Re-2: Change font color of script editor?
Message-ID: <00038468.4A9433D0@the-office.us>

Hi,

thanks to all, who replied.

@Nicolas
Thanks for your workaround, but thats a little bit risky. 

I was using GLX2 editor and loved the chalkboard Motif. Wanted now to switch to tRev, which also support
this chalkboard Motif. But GLX2 and tRev cannot be installed together. As tRev is not final (it?s an Alpha) and crashes here under windows sometimes, i thought of doing the serious stuff with built-in editor and playing around with tRev. 

Anyway, i will switch back to GLX2 and wait for the final of tRev.

Regards,

Matthias




From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Aug 25 12:58:25 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:58:25 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
Message-ID: <C3E313EA-6302-44AD-8CF4-087FCC3AA2B0@me.com>

Here's the link to the video showing how tRev's decoder works to help  
you debug your code.

     http://reveditor.com/de-construct-your-code-with-trevs-decoder-0

This video talks about tRev and the new feature called 'decoder', but  
also has a fairly in-depth discussion of modal debuggers and why they  
have had difficulty in Revolution.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue Aug 25 13:07:04 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:07:04 +0300
Subject: [OT] new collaboration tool from Google
In-Reply-To: <00038468.4A9433D0@the-office.us>
References: <00038468.4A9433D0@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <4A941A38.300@ekoinf.net>

Seen this: http://wave.google.com/ ?

V.


From david.bovill at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 13:30:02 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:30:02 +0100
Subject: [OT] new collaboration tool from Google
In-Reply-To: <4A941A38.300@ekoinf.net>
References: <00038468.4A9433D0@the-office.us> <4A941A38.300@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908251030p5a38058fnf8a76e9394719430@mail.gmail.com>

Yep - got a developer account and merging it with the Jabber / XMPP library
I have - will be released GPL.

2009/8/25 viktoras d. <viktoras at ekoinf.net>

> Seen this: http://wave.google.com/ ?
>
> V.
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Aug 25 13:54:08 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:54:08 -0500
Subject: Re-2: Change font color of script editor?
In-Reply-To: <00038468.4A9433D0@the-office.us>
References: <00038468.4A9433D0@the-office.us>
Message-ID: <78D14582-57A5-4FE5-90DE-348B2901C85A@me.com>

Matthias, under what circumstances is tRev crashing under windows?  
What build number? Vista or XP? It is only Vista-rated, btw.

On Aug 25, 2009, at 11:56 AM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:

> Hi,
>
> thanks to all, who replied.
>
> @Nicolas
> Thanks for your workaround, but thats a little bit risky.
>
> I was using GLX2 editor and loved the chalkboard Motif. Wanted now  
> to switch to tRev, which also support
> this chalkboard Motif. But GLX2 and tRev cannot be installed  
> together. As tRev is not final (it?s an Alpha) and crashes here  
> under windows sometimes, i thought of doing the serious stuff with  
> built-in editor and playing around with tRev.
>
> Anyway, i will switch back to GLX2 and wait for the final of tRev.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Aug 25 14:08:32 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:08:32 -0500
Subject: Re-2: Change font color of script editor?
In-Reply-To: <78D14582-57A5-4FE5-90DE-348B2901C85A@me.com>
References: <00038468.4A9433D0@the-office.us>
	<78D14582-57A5-4FE5-90DE-348B2901C85A@me.com>
Message-ID: <B8B6345D-3A21-44FF-8FE4-8E1E470D3125@me.com>

Matthias,

Just email me the bug reports for any problems you're having with tRev  
and Windows.

jerry at reveditor.com

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:54 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Matthias, under what circumstances is tRev crashing under windows?  
> What build number? Vista or XP? It is only Vista-rated, btw.
>
> On Aug 25, 2009, at 11:56 AM, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> thanks to all, who replied.
>>
>> @Nicolas
>> Thanks for your workaround, but thats a little bit risky.
>>
>> I was using GLX2 editor and loved the chalkboard Motif. Wanted now  
>> to switch to tRev, which also support
>> this chalkboard Motif. But GLX2 and tRev cannot be installed  
>> together. As tRev is not final (it?s an Alpha) and crashes here  
>> under windows sometimes, i thought of doing the serious stuff with  
>> built-in editor and playing around with tRev.
>>
>> Anyway, i will switch back to GLX2 and wait for the final of tRev.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matthias
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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From wjm at wjm.org  Tue Aug 25 15:37:08 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (William Marriott)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:37:08 +0100
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <25135185.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A92CBF0.1080105@fourthworld.com>	<A813530B-3B05-4F58-BA5B-BFCCE883D9B3@azurevision.co.uk>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908241429280.15733@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<25135185.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <h71ehk$sat$1@ger.gmane.org>

There are many reasons why we opted to make revMedia a free product. 
I'll detail some of them here:

1) Students. To be candid, the greatest source of our current customers 
is former HyperCard users. This community is aging, and we must appeal 
to the next generations. Students, especially those in high school, 
often do not have credit cards. So we want to make it easy for them, as 
individuals, to acquire a great tool to learn programming -- and enjoy 
both immediate and long-term results/success. On a broader level, we 
want to make it very easy for schools and other educational groups to 
teach Rev to students. Free enables that.

2) Ubiquity. We definitely want revlets popping up all over the place. 
We'll be crafting nice "made with Rev" badges and other sorts of 
programs to encourage the viral distribution of Rev-based content. One 
of our greatest challenges right now is simple awareness. People don't 
know we exist, much less our distinct benefits relative to other Web 
coding options. Adobe and Microsoft have enormous advantages in this 
arena. Adobe Flash is available on just about every platform out there, 
including some mobile ones. Microsoft Silveright benefits from a vast 
installed base of .NET Programmers and their usual marketing machine. 
Anyone going to a Microsoft page gets prompted to install Silverlight, 
for example. Our advantage in being free lets people spend the time to 
learn our capabilities and produce great content with our tool.

3) Great content everyone can see. We have witnessed some truly amazing 
Rev solutions over the years, but we need more of them. Increasing the 
number of people using Rev ensures we will get fresh blood, new ideas, 
beautiful graphics, innovative applications. We're hard at work at 
renovating services like revOnline (like we did in 3.5) to make it 
easier for people to share and promote thier Rev-based work. 
Furthermore, it's far easier [and safer] for newcomers to see Rev in 
action when they can just click a couple times to install a plugin, then 
enjoy fast revlet downloads, as opposed to downloading and 
extracting/installing a standalone application.

4) It's 2009 and the Web is all about FREE. As Richard Gaskin has 
pointed out, the dollar cost of a license is the smallest expense 
associated with using a new product. What is truly expensive is time, 
attention, and effort. In order to earn consideration, we need to 
rethink how people learn about our product. A free trial version isn't 
enough; 30 days isn't enough. 10 lines isn't enough. However, a nicely 
capable free edition (revMedia) that publishes to the Web (today's most 
relevant "platform") is a great way to get people into the "Rev 
lifestyle" and our unique mindset of programming.

5) Revenue. It's a numbers game, and we already know a certain 
percentage of people who get our trial version buy the product; a 
certain number of people who buy revMedia upgrade to revStudio; a 
certain number of revStudio users upgrade to revEnterprise. Increase the 
number of people using Rev, and you increase the number of people buying 
Rev. We do not expect there to be any cannibalization of revStudio or 
revEnterprise sales, as these products have distinct capabilities for 
serious/professional users, such as: database facilities, the data grid, 
the ability to use externals, the ability to remove/replace RunRev 
branding on the loading screen; the ability to make true standalone apps 
for Windows, Mac, and Linux, etc.

As you might imagine, we've done a considerable amount of number 
crunching, analysis, and planning on this front... it's not really about 
philosophy. We're confident this is the best path to dramatically grow 
our user base and ensure a vibrant future for revTalk, a language we all 
have come to love and rely on.

- Bill
   RunRev marketing guy



From support at ahsomme.com  Tue Aug 25 15:45:11 2009
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 12:45:11 -0700
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <h71ehk$sat$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <25096861.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<4A92CBF0.1080105@fourthworld.com>	<A813530B-3B05-4F58-BA5B-BFCCE883D9B3@azurevision.co.uk>	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908241429280.15733@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<25135185.post@talk.nabble.com> <h71ehk$sat$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <7F192882-C4C5-4A8C-AEAF-85CD29C524E8@ahsomme.com>

Bill,
A very good and thoughtful analysis. Thank you for sharing it with us.
Paul Looney

On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:37 PM, William Marriott wrote:

> There are many reasons why we opted to make revMedia a free  
> product. I'll detail some of them here:
>
> 1) Students. To be candid, the greatest source of our current  
> customers is former HyperCard users. This community is aging, and  
> we must appeal to the next generations. Students, especially those  
> in high school, often do not have credit cards. So we want to make  
> it easy for them, as individuals, to acquire a great tool to learn  
> programming -- and enjoy both immediate and long-term results/ 
> success. On a broader level, we want to make it very easy for  
> schools and other educational groups to teach Rev to students. Free  
> enables that.
>
> 2) Ubiquity. We definitely want revlets popping up all over the  
> place. We'll be crafting nice "made with Rev" badges and other  
> sorts of programs to encourage the viral distribution of Rev-based  
> content. One of our greatest challenges right now is simple  
> awareness. People don't know we exist, much less our distinct  
> benefits relative to other Web coding options. Adobe and Microsoft  
> have enormous advantages in this arena. Adobe Flash is available on  
> just about every platform out there, including some mobile ones.  
> Microsoft Silveright benefits from a vast installed base of .NET  
> Programmers and their usual marketing machine. Anyone going to a  
> Microsoft page gets prompted to install Silverlight, for example.  
> Our advantage in being free lets people spend the time to learn our  
> capabilities and produce great content with our tool.
>
> 3) Great content everyone can see. We have witnessed some truly  
> amazing Rev solutions over the years, but we need more of them.  
> Increasing the number of people using Rev ensures we will get fresh  
> blood, new ideas, beautiful graphics, innovative applications.  
> We're hard at work at renovating services like revOnline (like we  
> did in 3.5) to make it easier for people to share and promote thier  
> Rev-based work. Furthermore, it's far easier [and safer] for  
> newcomers to see Rev in action when they can just click a couple  
> times to install a plugin, then enjoy fast revlet downloads, as  
> opposed to downloading and extracting/installing a standalone  
> application.
>
> 4) It's 2009 and the Web is all about FREE. As Richard Gaskin has  
> pointed out, the dollar cost of a license is the smallest expense  
> associated with using a new product. What is truly expensive is  
> time, attention, and effort. In order to earn consideration, we  
> need to rethink how people learn about our product. A free trial  
> version isn't enough; 30 days isn't enough. 10 lines isn't enough.  
> However, a nicely capable free edition (revMedia) that publishes to  
> the Web (today's most relevant "platform") is a great way to get  
> people into the "Rev lifestyle" and our unique mindset of programming.
>
> 5) Revenue. It's a numbers game, and we already know a certain  
> percentage of people who get our trial version buy the product; a  
> certain number of people who buy revMedia upgrade to revStudio; a  
> certain number of revStudio users upgrade to revEnterprise.  
> Increase the number of people using Rev, and you increase the  
> number of people buying Rev. We do not expect there to be any  
> cannibalization of revStudio or revEnterprise sales, as these  
> products have distinct capabilities for serious/professional users,  
> such as: database facilities, the data grid, the ability to use  
> externals, the ability to remove/replace RunRev branding on the  
> loading screen; the ability to make true standalone apps for  
> Windows, Mac, and Linux, etc.
>
> As you might imagine, we've done a considerable amount of number  
> crunching, analysis, and planning on this front... it's not really  
> about philosophy. We're confident this is the best path to  
> dramatically grow our user base and ensure a vibrant future for  
> revTalk, a language we all have come to love and rely on.
>
> - Bill
>   RunRev marketing guy
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From coiin at verizon.net  Tue Aug 25 15:49:56 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:49:56 -0400
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
In-Reply-To: <h71ehk$sat$1@ger.gmane.org>
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On Aug 25, 2009, at 3:37 PM, William Marriott wrote:

>
> 5) Revenue. It's a numbers game,


I'm sure you meant runRevenue...





From rman at free.fr  Tue Aug 25 16:30:02 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Maniquant)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:30:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
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Thanks for sharing these arguments, William. I find them fully convincing in
favor of a fully free unrestricted revMedia. These thoughts are also
important for all developers to decide how best to distribute their apps.

I pointed out I felt it would be good for the language to : 

1) develop the sharing habit of utilities, eductionalWare, libraries.

Maybe runrev can think of some innovative incentive to do so. 
The issue raised in that thread has some relations with that question since,
obviously, disallowing password protection for the first entry level was a
way to enforce sharing. It may not be the best way, and I hope better ways
will be tried.

2) provide solutions to better monitor the runrev user base.

I might be a good idea to set up a kind of revWeb search engine that will
gather all pages using the plugin.
It is peculiar to runrev to communicate very few information on the user
base. And there are very few examples of commercial softwares using runrev
on the home site. Such a search engine might help lift up interrogations by
potential users.

Robert





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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Tue Aug 25 16:58:58 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:58:58 -0700
Subject: Change font color of script editor?
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Jerry Daniel's tRev allows chalkboard formatting, easy on the
eyes.....(and a lot of other features... not to mention a great
editor...!)

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com



2009/8/25 Nicolas Cueto <niconiko at gmail.com>:
> Mathias,
>
> It's not possible in Rev.
>
> Here's what I've done instead, but be advised that it's tricky and may
> have unknow side-effects -- in my own case, two I've found are ?the
> flashing insertion point is not visible against a black background,
> and the Help Document font colors will require tweaking.
>
> In Preferences, set background color to black (actually, a dark grey
> is better, if you want to see the flashing insertion point) and
> check-on "Revolution UI Elements appear in lists of stacks".
>
> Next, open the "Script Editor" (for any object). Open the "Application
> Browser" to find listed "revNewScriptEditor" (not "revNewScriptEditor
> 1" etc); click its card 1 to show the stack.
>
> Do a Search on the "revNewScriptEditor" stack for the first line of
> this handler:
>
> ? "command seColorizationLoadScheme pScheme, @pPreferencesArray"
>
> In that handler, look for 'case "default"', where you'll see lines like this:
>
> ? "group commands none 255,255,0"
>
> The "none" refers to a font style (none, italic, bold -- but I'm not
> sure if those are the exact terms), and the set of numbers is the RGB
> color code.
>
> Play around with those number sets till you find a combination you
> like. And then save the stack.
>
> Again, though, this type of modification is not the usual thing to do
> with Rev. In fact, before making changes to the color codes, make a
> backup copy of the scripts you change in case you want to revert to
> things as they were.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Tue Aug 25 17:21:22 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:21:22 +0200
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
Message-ID: <4A9455D2.5070906@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Tue Aug 25, 2009; William Marriott wjm at wjm.org wrote:
  
> There are many reasons why we opted to make revMedia a free product.
> I'll detail some of them here:
>
> 1) Students.
> (snip)
> 2) Ubiquity.
> (snip)
> 3) Great content everyone can see.
> (snip)
> 4) It's 2009 and the Web is all about FREE.
> (snip)
> 5) Revenue.
> (snip)
> - Bill
>    RunRev marketing guy

Bill,

I am really happy that you eventually have re-introduced a free version. 
In 2001 the Rev team strongly opposed such deliberations, mainly because 
of economical reasons.

Here is a part of my post sent to Kevin (Miller) some days ago, when I 
extended my license up to 2013.

> I congratulate you on the decision to offer one version of Revolution 
> to the public for free. In 2001 we both had an exchange on the 
> Revolution list about such free versions. I had proposed to you to 
> continue to support the Metacard version - as some sort of "Revolution 
> Light" - and either offer it for free or at a very low price. Such a 
> step - in my opinion - would have been necessary, because at that time 
> you discontinued the free "Starter Kit" versions - from economical 
> reasons as you stated it, if I remember correctly.
>
> Not having at my disposal such Starter Kits has impeded my work to 
> some substantial degree with students at our university. We were 
> however  lucky to be able to continue to use the old Starter Kit 
> versions (which one could extend up to version 2.5), but were of 
> course unable to work with newly introduced features.-


Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke


From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 25 17:37:39 2009
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (capellan)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:37:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Vote to disable password protection for revMedia 4 stacks
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Robert Maniquant wrote:
> 
> 1) develop the sharing habit of utilities, eductionalWare, libraries.
> Maybe runrev can think of some innovative incentive to do so. 
> 

Something like this could help: http://ced.ncsu.edu/mmania/

i serve as judge in one of the editions of this event.
Students sent websites, with multiple pages, powerpoint
presentations, quicktime videos and stacks created with
HyperStudio.

MultimediaMania was halted for a lack of sponsors.

Ideally winners prices will be sponsored by hardware
manufacturers like Dell, HP, Lenovo or Acer, for a
teacher tutor and students. Schools could receive
training for their teachers. 


Robert Maniquant wrote:
> 
> 2) provide solutions to better monitor the runrev user base.
> I might be a good idea to set up a kind of revWeb search engine that will
> gather all pages using the plugin.
> It is peculiar to runrev to communicate very few information on the user
> base. And there are very few examples of commercial softwares using runrev
> on the home site. Such a search engine might help lift up interrogations
> by potential users.
> 

Actually, i have never informed Rev about any Commercial Standalone
i have created or had participated. i do not feel obligated to report
the type of work that i create in Rev. Why other developers should?

By the way, in the Quality Control Center page for this request, Kevin
wrote:
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8234

To respond to the actual request here, i.e. in relation to sharing of stacks
/
libraries / etc, revMedia does not allow you to password protect a stack.
Nor
does it allow you to unlock a password protected stack created in another
edition.
The revlet format is encoded and will be non-trivial to reverse engineer.

--
Now, if somebody want password protection in revMedia, it will be neccesary
to fill an enhancement request...

al
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From alex at tweedly.net  Tue Aug 25 17:54:39 2009
From: alex at tweedly.net (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:54:39 +0100
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <C3E313EA-6302-44AD-8CF4-087FCC3AA2B0@me.com>
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Jerry Daniels wrote:
> Here's the link to the video showing how tRev's decoder works to help 
> you debug your code.
>
>     http://reveditor.com/de-construct-your-code-with-trevs-decoder-0
>
> This video talks about tRev and the new feature called 'decoder', but 
> also has a fairly in-depth discussion of modal debuggers and why they 
> have had difficulty in Revolution.
Love it. Thanks Jerry.

One suggestion (perhaps for discussion) ....

you mentioned the frequent requests for features that belong in a 
traditional debugger, but not in decoder. I think you would help reduce 
this, and help us all to remember that it is a different beast from an 
old-fashioned debugger, if you could  change the terminology used.

They are not "breakpoints" !  the execution doesn't 'break' when it gets 
to one. I think you should call them "statuspoints" or "contextpoints" 
or "monitorpoints" of some other name that more closely reflects their 
purpose and effect.

-- Alex.


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Aug 25 18:18:57 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:18:57 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
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Alex,

I would love to change the name of our breakpoints to alexpoints or  
lenpoints or kevpoints, but alas, I cannot. Only the keyword  
"breakpoint" will cause the tracebreak message to be sent to tRev's  
frontscript in Rev where it stores the full context into a database.  
It's this data that the decoder then uses in tRev to help you fix code  
with less effort.

I agree TOTALLY with the request, but alas, Rev forbids it. I am glad  
you like the decoder. I just updated it. You will see the "update  
available" link appear in the lower left of tRev editor any moment now.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 25, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:

> They are not "breakpoints" !  the execution doesn't 'break' when it  
> gets to one.



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 19:10:53 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:10:53 +1000
Subject: Naive question about interacting with web pages
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> Unlike more or less everyone else on this list (I suspect) I am not used to
> mixing Rev and the Internet. I've been looking at the RunRev tutorial
> material about this sort of thing, and some of it I understand pretty easily
> - for example the stack for retrieving weather data from the BBC web site.
> This essentially calculates image names on the basis of a convention used by
> the BBC for the time, region or whatever and then downloads them. Fine. Now
> what about the kind of site that invites you to put in some reference (say
> it's a catalogue reference or a post code or some key or other), after which
> you activate some kind of server-side code execution by clicking a button,
> pressing return or whatever; this then generates a result, let's say an
> image of a particular product in the catalogue, which is visible via the
> user's browser; this resultant image is not available via a URL until
> explicitly retrieved or constructed for the user's benefit, for example it
> might be extracted from a database, so the BBC Weather example doesn't
> apply.
>
> Now, what if I want to use a Rev program to simulate the user interaction to
> a site like that - so that my Rev program inserts the product code, presses
> return, waits for the image to be generated, and then downloads it (not a
> screen grab, since the image might have a higher resolution than the browser
> can display)? What I need is a way of interacting with the web page(s)
> involved (or really the underlying html), almost by simulating key strokes.
> I suppose I want to treat the html as a kind of API for the facilities of
> the site.
>
> Is this possible, and is it possible without using an external browser? I
> feel it ought to be, but I just don't know where to start. Can anyone
> explain what kind of route I should follow?


This may be possible depending on how the site handles requests.
Some sites have the input data become part of the URL for the results page.

e.g. if I want to do a Google search for chocolate, I can go to Google
and type in chocolate, or I could go directly to
<http://www.google.com/search?q=chocolate>
where you can see that "chocolate" is already part of the URL.

In Rev, I could use:
  get URL "http://www.google.com/search?q=chocolate"
and I would have the text of the returned web page.

Once you have the text of the page, then you can manipulate it using
the standard text chunking, filtering & searching tools.
If you are looking for an image, then you could try:
  get offset("<img src=", tWebPage)

If you then end up with something like:
<img src="images/pic12345.jpg">
you can pull out the "images/pic12345.jpg" part, add the root address
of the web page, to get
  http://www.website.com/images/pic12345.jpg
and then set the filename of an image in your stack to this address.

So firstly, go to the web page you are trying to access and do a
search manually.
Check the URL of the results page and see if it contains the data you entered.
If it does, then use Rev to construct that URL and get the text of the web page.
Then you can examine that text and work out how to extract what you
need from it.

Hope this helps,
Sarah


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Tue Aug 25 19:40:58 2009
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:40:58 -0700
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <7F6D3335-B245-43C9-AC94-E51711BC3B94@me.com>
Message-ID: <C6B9C49A.409BF%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 8/25/09 3:18 PM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry.daniels at me.com> wrote:

> I agree TOTALLY with the request, but alas, Rev forbids it.

Hi, Jerry.  Could you proceed without Rev's traceback message?

on mouseUp
    put 1 into t1
    put 2 into t2
    checkPoint
end mouseUp

command checkPoint
    set the debugcontext to line -2 of the executioncontexts
    global gREVVariableWatcherValue
    debugdo "revDebuggerGrabValue the variableNames"
    repeat for each item tVariableName in line 2 of gREVVariableWatcherValue
      debugdo "revDebuggerGrabValue" && tVariableName
      put gREVVariableWatcherValue into tVariables[tVariableName]
    end repeat
    set the debugcontext to empty
    -- ... "store the full context into a database"

    breakpoint -- just so you can see tVariables[]
end checkPoint




From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Aug 25 19:55:33 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:55:33 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <C6B9C49A.409BF%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C6B9C49A.409BF%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <056D9388-B4E4-434D-B822-BAE8AEFCC073@me.com>

Hey, Dick! Good to hear from you.

I would need to deal with the whole name space thing...if some other  
program used checkpoint, etc.

Using "breakpoint" has two sizeable advantages over alternatives (now  
that I'm really considering your suggestion):

1. I don't have to worry about another program using it.

2. It has a use when tRev is not in use. E.g., when you give someone  
else your code and they don't have tRev (because of a religious  
injunction or something).

Great idea, though. I'll play around with it some. Thanks.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 25, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:

> On 8/25/09 3:18 PM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry.daniels at me.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree TOTALLY with the request, but alas, Rev forbids it.
>
> Hi, Jerry.  Could you proceed without Rev's traceback message?
>
> on mouseUp
>    put 1 into t1
>    put 2 into t2
>    checkPoint
> end mouseUp
>
> command checkPoint
>    set the debugcontext to line -2 of the executioncontexts
>    global gREVVariableWatcherValue
>    debugdo "revDebuggerGrabValue the variableNames"
>    repeat for each item tVariableName in line 2 of  
> gREVVariableWatcherValue
>      debugdo "revDebuggerGrabValue" && tVariableName
>      put gREVVariableWatcherValue into tVariables[tVariableName]
>    end repeat
>    set the debugcontext to empty
>    -- ... "store the full context into a database"
>
>    breakpoint -- just so you can see tVariables[]
> end checkPoint
>
>
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue Aug 25 20:13:57 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:13:57 -0700
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <056D9388-B4E4-434D-B822-BAE8AEFCC073@me.com>
References: <C6B9C49A.409BF%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<056D9388-B4E4-434D-B822-BAE8AEFCC073@me.com>
Message-ID: <453BFB32-DCE5-4C1E-B937-A4D94B077E31@qldlearning.com>

Off the cusp idea -- what about just making "breakpoints" completely  
visual in tRev? Perhaps use an image with an arrow and some sort of  
useful icon? That way you'd maintain the use of actual breakpoints for  
all of the reasons you outlined, but just give the user something tRev- 
specific to look at.

> Hey, Dick! Good to hear from you.
>
> I would need to deal with the whole name space thing...if some other  
> program used checkpoint, etc.
>
> Using "breakpoint" has two sizeable advantages over alternatives  
> (now that I'm really considering your suggestion):
>
> 1. I don't have to worry about another program using it.
>
> 2. It has a use when tRev is not in use. E.g., when you give someone  
> else your code and they don't have tRev (because of a religious  
> injunction or something).
>
> Great idea, though. I'll play around with it some. Thanks.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>
> On Aug 25, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:
>
>> On 8/25/09 3:18 PM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry.daniels at me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree TOTALLY with the request, but alas, Rev forbids it.
>>
>> Hi, Jerry.  Could you proceed without Rev's traceback message?
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>  put 1 into t1
>>  put 2 into t2
>>  checkPoint
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> command checkPoint
>>  set the debugcontext to line -2 of the executioncontexts
>>  global gREVVariableWatcherValue
>>  debugdo "revDebuggerGrabValue the variableNames"
>>  repeat for each item tVariableName in line 2 of  
>> gREVVariableWatcherValue
>>    debugdo "revDebuggerGrabValue" && tVariableName
>>    put gREVVariableWatcherValue into tVariables[tVariableName]
>>  end repeat
>>  set the debugcontext to empty
>>  -- ... "store the full context into a database"
>>
>>  breakpoint -- just so you can see tVariables[]
>> end checkPoint


From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue Aug 25 20:19:56 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:19:56 -0700
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <7F6D3335-B245-43C9-AC94-E51711BC3B94@me.com>
References: <C3E313EA-6302-44AD-8CF4-087FCC3AA2B0@me.com>
	<4A945D9F.7020707@tweedly.net>
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Message-ID: <A807F87F-41D0-4D4C-8F91-7B0B04B82D52@qldlearning.com>

Jerry,

I was honestly lukewarm about this at first as a heavy user of "full"  
debuggers, but I'm definitely warming up to it. Fact is, that about  
half the time I use a debugger and half the time I just litter my  
scripts with "put" statements. This is a nice middle ground approach.

With that said, here is one thing I would personally find very cool --  
single variable "decode". I picture it like this:

1) Click on a variable name to "decode" it. tRev automagically sets  
invisible (to me) breakpoints wherever that variable is used. You  
could give some visual indicator (for instance, background color  
change).

2) Run the script

3) View my script -- mouseover any instance of that variable and I get  
the value at that point in the script.

I kind of think of it as "vertical debugging" -- often I know what  
variable is going awry and want to ignore all the rest of the  
information. And so instead of adding tons of "put" statements or  
wading through the context of all my other variables, I could very  
quickly pinpoint where things went wrong with that variable by  
clicking once and running.

> Alex,
>
> I would love to change the name of our breakpoints to alexpoints or  
> lenpoints or kevpoints, but alas, I cannot. Only the keyword  
> "breakpoint" will cause the tracebreak message to be sent to tRev's  
> frontscript in Rev where it stores the full context into a database.  
> It's this data that the decoder then uses in tRev to help you fix  
> code with less effort.
>
> I agree TOTALLY with the request, but alas, Rev forbids it. I am  
> glad you like the decoder. I just updated it. You will see the  
> "update available" link appear in the lower left of tRev editor any  
> moment now.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>
> On Aug 25, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>
>> They are not "breakpoints" !  the execution doesn't 'break' when it  
>> gets to one.


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Aug 25 21:07:40 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:07:40 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <453BFB32-DCE5-4C1E-B937-A4D94B077E31@qldlearning.com>
References: <C6B9C49A.409BF%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<056D9388-B4E4-434D-B822-BAE8AEFCC073@me.com>
	<453BFB32-DCE5-4C1E-B937-A4D94B077E31@qldlearning.com>
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Brian,

Have you ever noticed the dots in Rev's debugger? How, if your script  
has very many lines at all, the dots can't keep pace with scrolling,  
returns, etc.? I have. Not pretty, to say the least. So, no images  
floating around for me, thank you.

Also, keeping a separate array of breakpoints and keeping them in sync  
with the actual code is not easy in a world where tRev is not the only  
script editor. I used to have lots of these sorts of "proprietary"  
approaches. It always came back to bite me in the behind when people  
traded code with others or used more than one editor.

So, a couple years ago, i decided to use text to indicate a  
breakpoint. Easy to see, easy to delete, follows the code wherever it  
goes, never gets out of sync. It's all good. Now that we've added  
record id's as comments following the word "breakpoint", we can attach  
loads of data to a breakpoint.

I'm warming up to the idea, too! I think everyone needs to buy the  
product now!!

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:

> Off the cusp idea -- what about just making "breakpoints" completely  
> visual in tRev? Perhaps use an image with an arrow and some sort of  
> useful icon? That way you'd maintain the use of actual breakpoints  
> for all of the reasons you outlined, but just give the user  
> something tRev-specific to look at.
>
>> Hey, Dick! Good to hear from you.
>>
>> I would need to deal with the whole name space thing...if some  
>> other program used checkpoint, etc.
>>
>> Using "breakpoint" has two sizeable advantages over alternatives  
>> (now that I'm really considering your suggestion):
>>
>> 1. I don't have to worry about another program using it.
>>
>> 2. It has a use when tRev is not in use. E.g., when you give  
>> someone else your code and they don't have tRev (because of a  
>> religious injunction or something).
>>
>> Great idea, though. I'll play around with it some. Thanks.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/25/09 3:18 PM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry.daniels at me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree TOTALLY with the request, but alas, Rev forbids it.
>>>
>>> Hi, Jerry.  Could you proceed without Rev's traceback message?
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>> put 1 into t1
>>> put 2 into t2
>>> checkPoint
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> command checkPoint
>>> set the debugcontext to line -2 of the executioncontexts
>>> global gREVVariableWatcherValue
>>> debugdo "revDebuggerGrabValue the variableNames"
>>> repeat for each item tVariableName in line 2 of  
>>> gREVVariableWatcherValue
>>>   debugdo "revDebuggerGrabValue" && tVariableName
>>>   put gREVVariableWatcherValue into tVariables[tVariableName]
>>> end repeat
>>> set the debugcontext to empty
>>> -- ... "store the full context into a database"
>>>
>>> breakpoint -- just so you can see tVariables[]
>>> end checkPoint
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Aug 25 21:13:45 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:13:45 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <A807F87F-41D0-4D4C-8F91-7B0B04B82D52@qldlearning.com>
References: <C3E313EA-6302-44AD-8CF4-087FCC3AA2B0@me.com>
	<4A945D9F.7020707@tweedly.net>
	<7F6D3335-B245-43C9-AC94-E51711BC3B94@me.com>
	<A807F87F-41D0-4D4C-8F91-7B0B04B82D52@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <26F26D94-B1B1-48C5-825D-6B0C19BE33C2@me.com>

Brian,

Your ideas for where this is going, they mirror my own. Cool.

SO...what're you waitin' for? Also, don't forget to get a mug or a  
tShirt.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:

> Jerry,
>
> I was honestly lukewarm about this at first as a heavy user of  
> "full" debuggers, but I'm definitely warming up to it. Fact is, that  
> about half the time I use a debugger and half the time I just litter  
> my scripts with "put" statements. This is a nice middle ground  
> approach.
>
> With that said, here is one thing I would personally find very cool  
> -- single variable "decode". I picture it like this:
>
> 1) Click on a variable name to "decode" it. tRev automagically sets  
> invisible (to me) breakpoints wherever that variable is used. You  
> could give some visual indicator (for instance, background color  
> change).
>
> 2) Run the script
>
> 3) View my script -- mouseover any instance of that variable and I  
> get the value at that point in the script.
>
> I kind of think of it as "vertical debugging" -- often I know what  
> variable is going awry and want to ignore all the rest of the  
> information. And so instead of adding tons of "put" statements or  
> wading through the context of all my other variables, I could very  
> quickly pinpoint where things went wrong with that variable by  
> clicking once and running.
>
>> Alex,
>>
>> I would love to change the name of our breakpoints to alexpoints or  
>> lenpoints or kevpoints, but alas, I cannot. Only the keyword  
>> "breakpoint" will cause the tracebreak message to be sent to tRev's  
>> frontscript in Rev where it stores the full context into a  
>> database. It's this data that the decoder then uses in tRev to help  
>> you fix code with less effort.
>>
>> I agree TOTALLY with the request, but alas, Rev forbids it. I am  
>> glad you like the decoder. I just updated it. You will see the  
>> "update available" link appear in the lower left of tRev editor any  
>> moment now.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>>
>>> They are not "breakpoints" !  the execution doesn't 'break' when  
>>> it gets to one.
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue Aug 25 21:15:48 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:15:48 -0700
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <45DAC16D-C5E6-4B0B-A8D5-3905608497FF@me.com>
References: <C6B9C49A.409BF%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<056D9388-B4E4-434D-B822-BAE8AEFCC073@me.com>
	<453BFB32-DCE5-4C1E-B937-A4D94B077E31@qldlearning.com>
	<45DAC16D-C5E6-4B0B-A8D5-3905608497FF@me.com>
Message-ID: <A232E9C0-26B0-46F9-90D3-2A6AF53179DD@qldlearning.com>

Jerry,

I was thinking more of an inline image than the Rev "dot" next to a  
line. It would occupy a line of its own. Doesn't make much of a  
difference to me, but seemed like an alternative to the concerns about  
terminology. For example:

on mouseUp
    put 1 into someVar
    BREAKPOINT #1386243
    doSomething
end mouseUp

would become:

on mouseUp
    put 1 into someVar
    ===============> #1386243
end mouseUp

Where the "=============>" is an actual image.

Basically, it was just a middle ground between changing the name of  
breakpoints and going back to red dots =).

> Brian,
>
> Have you ever noticed the dots in Rev's debugger? How, if your  
> script has very many lines at all, the dots can't keep pace with  
> scrolling, returns, etc.? I have. Not pretty, to say the least. So,  
> no images floating around for me, thank you.
>
> Also, keeping a separate array of breakpoints and keeping them in  
> sync with the actual code is not easy in a world where tRev is not  
> the only script editor. I used to have lots of these sorts of  
> "proprietary" approaches. It always came back to bite me in the  
> behind when people traded code with others or used more than one  
> editor.
>
> So, a couple years ago, i decided to use text to indicate a  
> breakpoint. Easy to see, easy to delete, follows the code wherever  
> it goes, never gets out of sync. It's all good. Now that we've added  
> record id's as comments following the word "breakpoint", we can  
> attach loads of data to a breakpoint.
>
> I'm warming up to the idea, too! I think everyone needs to buy the  
> product now!!
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie


From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue Aug 25 21:18:42 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:18:42 -0700
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <26F26D94-B1B1-48C5-825D-6B0C19BE33C2@me.com>
References: <C3E313EA-6302-44AD-8CF4-087FCC3AA2B0@me.com>
	<4A945D9F.7020707@tweedly.net>
	<7F6D3335-B245-43C9-AC94-E51711BC3B94@me.com>
	<A807F87F-41D0-4D4C-8F91-7B0B04B82D52@qldlearning.com>
	<26F26D94-B1B1-48C5-825D-6B0C19BE33C2@me.com>
Message-ID: <DEB4BC93-3863-41ED-88AF-82CBDA201677@qldlearning.com>

Always my favorite confirmation that something is worth pursuing --  
when multiple people dream it up independently =).

I honestly don't have any current Rev projects right now, but I'll  
keep my eye fixed on tRev for the next one that comes along! And since  
we seem to be on the "same page", if anything strikes me while  
debugging elsewhere, I'll let ya now... kudos for thinking outside the  
box on this one.

> Brian,
>
> Your ideas for where this is going, they mirror my own. Cool.
>
> SO...what're you waitin' for? Also, don't forget to get a mug or a  
> tShirt.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>
> On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:
>
>> Jerry,
>>
>> I was honestly lukewarm about this at first as a heavy user of  
>> "full" debuggers, but I'm definitely warming up to it. Fact is,  
>> that about half the time I use a debugger and half the time I just  
>> litter my scripts with "put" statements. This is a nice middle  
>> ground approach.
>>
>> With that said, here is one thing I would personally find very cool  
>> -- single variable "decode". I picture it like this:
>>
>> 1) Click on a variable name to "decode" it. tRev automagically sets  
>> invisible (to me) breakpoints wherever that variable is used. You  
>> could give some visual indicator (for instance, background color  
>> change).
>>
>> 2) Run the script
>>
>> 3) View my script -- mouseover any instance of that variable and I  
>> get the value at that point in the script.
>>
>> I kind of think of it as "vertical debugging" -- often I know what  
>> variable is going awry and want to ignore all the rest of the  
>> information. And so instead of adding tons of "put" statements or  
>> wading through the context of all my other variables, I could very  
>> quickly pinpoint where things went wrong with that variable by  
>> clicking once and running.
>>
>>> Alex,
>>>
>>> I would love to change the name of our breakpoints to alexpoints  
>>> or lenpoints or kevpoints, but alas, I cannot. Only the keyword  
>>> "breakpoint" will cause the tracebreak message to be sent to  
>>> tRev's frontscript in Rev where it stores the full context into a  
>>> database. It's this data that the decoder then uses in tRev to  
>>> help you fix code with less effort.
>>>
>>> I agree TOTALLY with the request, but alas, Rev forbids it. I am  
>>> glad you like the decoder. I just updated it. You will see the  
>>> "update available" link appear in the lower left of tRev editor  
>>> any moment now.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Jerry Daniels
>>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>>>
>>>> They are not "breakpoints" !  the execution doesn't 'break' when  
>>>> it gets to one.


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Aug 25 21:26:00 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:26:00 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <A232E9C0-26B0-46F9-90D3-2A6AF53179DD@qldlearning.com>
References: <C6B9C49A.409BF%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<056D9388-B4E4-434D-B822-BAE8AEFCC073@me.com>
	<453BFB32-DCE5-4C1E-B937-A4D94B077E31@qldlearning.com>
	<45DAC16D-C5E6-4B0B-A8D5-3905608497FF@me.com>
	<A232E9C0-26B0-46F9-90D3-2A6AF53179DD@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <075BD138-7711-467C-B05B-86C2B367C4A1@me.com>

I don't really think the breakpoint terminology will hurt and it does  
help with cross-editor considerations, etc.

Code is all about text, afterall.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:15 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:

> Jerry,
>
> I was thinking more of an inline image than the Rev "dot" next to a  
> line. It would occupy a line of its own. Doesn't make much of a  
> difference to me, but seemed like an alternative to the concerns  
> about terminology. For example:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put 1 into someVar
>   BREAKPOINT #1386243
>   doSomething
> end mouseUp
>
> would become:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put 1 into someVar
>   ===============> #1386243
> end mouseUp
>
> Where the "=============>" is an actual image.
>
> Basically, it was just a middle ground between changing the name of  
> breakpoints and going back to red dots =).
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> Have you ever noticed the dots in Rev's debugger? How, if your  
>> script has very many lines at all, the dots can't keep pace with  
>> scrolling, returns, etc.? I have. Not pretty, to say the least. So,  
>> no images floating around for me, thank you.
>>
>> Also, keeping a separate array of breakpoints and keeping them in  
>> sync with the actual code is not easy in a world where tRev is not  
>> the only script editor. I used to have lots of these sorts of  
>> "proprietary" approaches. It always came back to bite me in the  
>> behind when people traded code with others or used more than one  
>> editor.
>>
>> So, a couple years ago, i decided to use text to indicate a  
>> breakpoint. Easy to see, easy to delete, follows the code wherever  
>> it goes, never gets out of sync. It's all good. Now that we've  
>> added record id's as comments following the word "breakpoint", we  
>> can attach loads of data to a breakpoint.
>>
>> I'm warming up to the idea, too! I think everyone needs to buy the  
>> product now!!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Tue Aug 25 21:26:50 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 20:26:50 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <DEB4BC93-3863-41ED-88AF-82CBDA201677@qldlearning.com>
References: <C3E313EA-6302-44AD-8CF4-087FCC3AA2B0@me.com>
	<4A945D9F.7020707@tweedly.net>
	<7F6D3335-B245-43C9-AC94-E51711BC3B94@me.com>
	<A807F87F-41D0-4D4C-8F91-7B0B04B82D52@qldlearning.com>
	<26F26D94-B1B1-48C5-825D-6B0C19BE33C2@me.com>
	<DEB4BC93-3863-41ED-88AF-82CBDA201677@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <20ADE919-5ECC-4ADC-8BC7-1B54DE94581C@me.com>

Thanks, Brian.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:18 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:

> Always my favorite confirmation that something is worth pursuing --  
> when multiple people dream it up independently =).
>
> I honestly don't have any current Rev projects right now, but I'll  
> keep my eye fixed on tRev for the next one that comes along! And  
> since we seem to be on the "same page", if anything strikes me while  
> debugging elsewhere, I'll let ya now... kudos for thinking outside  
> the box on this one.
>
>> Brian,
>>
>> Your ideas for where this is going, they mirror my own. Cool.
>>
>> SO...what're you waitin' for? Also, don't forget to get a mug or a  
>> tShirt.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2009, at 7:19 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:
>>
>>> Jerry,
>>>
>>> I was honestly lukewarm about this at first as a heavy user of  
>>> "full" debuggers, but I'm definitely warming up to it. Fact is,  
>>> that about half the time I use a debugger and half the time I just  
>>> litter my scripts with "put" statements. This is a nice middle  
>>> ground approach.
>>>
>>> With that said, here is one thing I would personally find very  
>>> cool -- single variable "decode". I picture it like this:
>>>
>>> 1) Click on a variable name to "decode" it. tRev automagically  
>>> sets invisible (to me) breakpoints wherever that variable is used.  
>>> You could give some visual indicator (for instance, background  
>>> color change).
>>>
>>> 2) Run the script
>>>
>>> 3) View my script -- mouseover any instance of that variable and I  
>>> get the value at that point in the script.
>>>
>>> I kind of think of it as "vertical debugging" -- often I know what  
>>> variable is going awry and want to ignore all the rest of the  
>>> information. And so instead of adding tons of "put" statements or  
>>> wading through the context of all my other variables, I could very  
>>> quickly pinpoint where things went wrong with that variable by  
>>> clicking once and running.
>>>
>>>> Alex,
>>>>
>>>> I would love to change the name of our breakpoints to alexpoints  
>>>> or lenpoints or kevpoints, but alas, I cannot. Only the keyword  
>>>> "breakpoint" will cause the tracebreak message to be sent to  
>>>> tRev's frontscript in Rev where it stores the full context into a  
>>>> database. It's this data that the decoder then uses in tRev to  
>>>> help you fix code with less effort.
>>>>
>>>> I agree TOTALLY with the request, but alas, Rev forbids it. I am  
>>>> glad you like the decoder. I just updated it. You will see the  
>>>> "update available" link appear in the lower left of tRev editor  
>>>> any moment now.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Jerry Daniels
>>>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>>>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 25, 2009, at 4:54 PM, Alex Tweedly wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> They are not "breakpoints" !  the execution doesn't 'break' when  
>>>>> it gets to one.
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Aug 25 23:08:22 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 22:08:22 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <075BD138-7711-467C-B05B-86C2B367C4A1@me.com>
References: <C6B9C49A.409BF%dick.kriesel@mail.com>	<056D9388-B4E4-434D-B822-BAE8AEFCC073@me.com>	<453BFB32-DCE5-4C1E-B937-A4D94B077E31@qldlearning.com>	<45DAC16D-C5E6-4B0B-A8D5-3905608497FF@me.com>	<A232E9C0-26B0-46F9-90D3-2A6AF53179DD@qldlearning.com>
	<075BD138-7711-467C-B05B-86C2B367C4A1@me.com>
Message-ID: <4A94A726.8010601@crcom.net>

If it's all about "text", could you not replace the DISPLAYED word 
"Breakpoint" to "LenPoint" ONLY IN THE TREV DISPLAY.  Leave the "real" 
word as breakpoint when you save the file but when you show me the 
script, just do a global substitution.  Everybody's happy. 

Just a thought...

len morgan

Jerry Daniels wrote:
> I don't really think the breakpoint terminology will hurt and it does 
> help with cross-editor considerations, etc.
>
> Code is all about text, afterall.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>
> On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:15 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:
>
>> Jerry,
>>
>> I was thinking more of an inline image than the Rev "dot" next to a 
>> line. It would occupy a line of its own. Doesn't make much of a 
>> difference to me, but seemed like an alternative to the concerns 
>> about terminology. For example:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   put 1 into someVar
>>   BREAKPOINT #1386243
>>   doSomething
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> would become:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   put 1 into someVar
>>   ===============> #1386243
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> Where the "=============>" is an actual image.
>>
>> Basically, it was just a middle ground between changing the name of 
>> breakpoints and going back to red dots =).
>>
>>> Brian,
>>>
>>> Have you ever noticed the dots in Rev's debugger? How, if your 
>>> script has very many lines at all, the dots can't keep pace with 
>>> scrolling, returns, etc.? I have. Not pretty, to say the least. So, 
>>> no images floating around for me, thank you.
>>>
>>> Also, keeping a separate array of breakpoints and keeping them in 
>>> sync with the actual code is not easy in a world where tRev is not 
>>> the only script editor. I used to have lots of these sorts of 
>>> "proprietary" approaches. It always came back to bite me in the 
>>> behind when people traded code with others or used more than one 
>>> editor.
>>>
>>> So, a couple years ago, i decided to use text to indicate a 
>>> breakpoint. Easy to see, easy to delete, follows the code wherever 
>>> it goes, never gets out of sync. It's all good. Now that we've added 
>>> record id's as comments following the word "breakpoint", we can 
>>> attach loads of data to a breakpoint.
>>>
>>> I'm warming up to the idea, too! I think everyone needs to buy the 
>>> product now!!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Jerry Daniels
>>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Wed Aug 26 00:14:38 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:14:38 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <4A94A726.8010601@crcom.net>
References: <C6B9C49A.409BF%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<056D9388-B4E4-434D-B822-BAE8AEFCC073@me.com>
	<453BFB32-DCE5-4C1E-B937-A4D94B077E31@qldlearning.com>
	<45DAC16D-C5E6-4B0B-A8D5-3905608497FF@me.com>
	<A232E9C0-26B0-46F9-90D3-2A6AF53179DD@qldlearning.com>
	<075BD138-7711-467C-B05B-86C2B367C4A1@me.com>
	<4A94A726.8010601@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <C71D46AE-E938-4475-AF32-0B83329D06DF@me.com>

I have indeed done something very similar to this. It was called a pre- 
compiler. Is it worth it for a word? What is really gained? What is  
the benefit? There is a cost to everything we do, of course.

On Aug 25, 2009, at 10:08 PM, Len Morgan wrote:

> If it's all about "text", could you not replace the DISPLAYED word  
> "Breakpoint" to "LenPoint" ONLY IN THE TREV DISPLAY.  Leave the  
> "real" word as breakpoint when you save the file but when you show  
> me the script, just do a global substitution.  Everybody's happy.
> Just a thought...
>
> len morgan
>
> Jerry Daniels wrote:
>> I don't really think the breakpoint terminology will hurt and it  
>> does help with cross-editor considerations, etc.
>>
>> Code is all about text, afterall.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2009, at 8:15 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:
>>
>>> Jerry,
>>>
>>> I was thinking more of an inline image than the Rev "dot" next to  
>>> a line. It would occupy a line of its own. Doesn't make much of a  
>>> difference to me, but seemed like an alternative to the concerns  
>>> about terminology. For example:
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>  put 1 into someVar
>>>  BREAKPOINT #1386243
>>>  doSomething
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> would become:
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>  put 1 into someVar
>>>  ===============> #1386243
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> Where the "=============>" is an actual image.
>>>
>>> Basically, it was just a middle ground between changing the name  
>>> of breakpoints and going back to red dots =).
>>>
>>>> Brian,
>>>>
>>>> Have you ever noticed the dots in Rev's debugger? How, if your  
>>>> script has very many lines at all, the dots can't keep pace with  
>>>> scrolling, returns, etc.? I have. Not pretty, to say the least.  
>>>> So, no images floating around for me, thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Also, keeping a separate array of breakpoints and keeping them in  
>>>> sync with the actual code is not easy in a world where tRev is  
>>>> not the only script editor. I used to have lots of these sorts of  
>>>> "proprietary" approaches. It always came back to bite me in the  
>>>> behind when people traded code with others or used more than one  
>>>> editor.
>>>>
>>>> So, a couple years ago, i decided to use text to indicate a  
>>>> breakpoint. Easy to see, easy to delete, follows the code  
>>>> wherever it goes, never gets out of sync. It's all good. Now that  
>>>> we've added record id's as comments following the word  
>>>> "breakpoint", we can attach loads of data to a breakpoint.
>>>>
>>>> I'm warming up to the idea, too! I think everyone needs to buy  
>>>> the product now!!
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Jerry Daniels
>>>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>>>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed Aug 26 02:14:28 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:14:28 -0700
Subject: Rev compatibility for Windows 7 and Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <14AC92EA-1C00-4AA9-A619-2C463BBE3105@mac.com>

Apple and Microsoft are about to release derivative upgrades to their  
respective operating systems.

I haven't heard much discussion about either of them on this list with  
respect to compatibility testing of Rev programs. Has anyone done  
testing with the beta versions and have any observations?

Bill Vlahos


From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed Aug 26 02:43:49 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:43:49 -0700
Subject: Can't hide field border
Message-ID: <995A8388-0384-4AAD-931A-AE447B532CE7@mac.com>

I have a stack that has field that appears to have a border that I  
can't get rid of. It isn't the actual border (I've turned showBorder  
on and off and the appearance changes but doesn't get rid of what  
looks like a border.

I've dragged a new field onto the card and I can hide the border as  
expected. I've compared the Properties of both fields and I don't see  
anything different.

There must be some setting that is different but I can't tell what it  
is. Any ideas on what to look for?

Bill Vlahos


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Wed Aug 26 03:22:05 2009
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 00:22:05 -0700
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <056D9388-B4E4-434D-B822-BAE8AEFCC073@me.com>
Message-ID: <C6BA30AD.409E0%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

Thanks, Jerry, and you're welcome.

The behavior of your breakpoint is so different from Rev's that I can
imagine wanting to use both.  So I'd prefer you to distinguish the two:
breakpoint and, say, tRev_checkpoint.  uRIP resolves the name space thing.

tRev, instead of inserting the string "breakpoint," could insert a
one-liner:

if "tRev" is among the lines of the stacksInUse then tRev_checkpoint

or, less obtrusively,

try; tRev_checkpoint; end try

Would that work for you?

-- Dick


On 8/25/09 4:55 PM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry.daniels at me.com> wrote:

> Hey, Dick! Good to hear from you.
> 
> I would need to deal with the whole name space thing...if some other
> program used checkpoint, etc.
> 
> Using "breakpoint" has two sizeable advantages over alternatives (now
> that I'm really considering your suggestion):
> 
> 1. I don't have to worry about another program using it.
> 
> 2. It has a use when tRev is not in use. E.g., when you give someone
> else your code and they don't have tRev (because of a religious
> injunction or something).
> 
> Great idea, though. I'll play around with it some. Thanks.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
> 
> On Aug 25, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:
> 
>> On 8/25/09 3:18 PM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry.daniels at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I agree TOTALLY with the request, but alas, Rev forbids it.
>> 
>> Hi, Jerry.  Could you proceed without Rev's traceback message?
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>    put 1 into t1
>>    put 2 into t2
>>    checkPoint
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> command checkPoint
>>    set the debugcontext to line -2 of the executioncontexts
>>    global gREVVariableWatcherValue
>>    debugdo "revDebuggerGrabValue the variableNames"
>>    repeat for each item tVariableName in line 2 of
>> gREVVariableWatcherValue
>>      debugdo "revDebuggerGrabValue" && tVariableName
>>      put gREVVariableWatcherValue into tVariables[tVariableName]
>>    end repeat
>>    set the debugcontext to empty
>>    -- ... "store the full context into a database"
>> 
>>    breakpoint -- just so you can see tVariables[]
>> end checkPoint
>> 
>> 
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From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Aug 26 03:22:54 2009
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 02:22:54 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <C71D46AE-E938-4475-AF32-0B83329D06DF@me.com>
References: <C6B9C49A.409BF%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<056D9388-B4E4-434D-B822-BAE8AEFCC073@me.com>
	<453BFB32-DCE5-4C1E-B937-A4D94B077E31@qldlearning.com>
	<45DAC16D-C5E6-4B0B-A8D5-3905608497FF@me.com>
	<A232E9C0-26B0-46F9-90D3-2A6AF53179DD@qldlearning.com>
	<075BD138-7711-467C-B05B-86C2B367C4A1@me.com>
	<4A94A726.8010601@crcom.net>
	<C71D46AE-E938-4475-AF32-0B83329D06DF@me.com>
Message-ID: <665591460908260022of1d7720t70aef50801e2472b@mail.gmail.com>

Jerry,
Most cool-- way to go with some serious out of the box thinking on this one.

Personally, I prefer the simplest approach. I can remember what the word
'breakpoint' means, not sure if I can remember alexpoint, or lenpoint, or
some sort of fancy graphic which shows up in a funny color on my Vista
computer.

You are of course correct in aspiring to terse features, terse terminology,
and terse architecture when creating an IDE for Rev. You've already
successfully navigated the most complex script editors every created for an
Xtalk, and have, I assume, a new-found passion for the simple.

Even so, making things simple is sometimes the hardest to do. Great job.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 04:07:51 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:07:51 +0300
Subject: Rev compatibility for Windows 7 and Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <14AC92EA-1C00-4AA9-A619-2C463BBE3105@mac.com>
References: <14AC92EA-1C00-4AA9-A619-2C463BBE3105@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A94ED57.4020100@gmail.com>

Bill Vlahos wrote:
> Apple and Microsoft are about to release derivative upgrades to their 
> respective operating systems.
>
> I haven't heard much discussion about either of them on this list with 
> respect to compatibility testing of Rev programs. Has anyone done 
> testing with the beta versions and have any observations?
>
> Bill Vlahos
Presumably, if revMedia 4B and earlier are incompatible with Windows 7 
and Mac OS 10.6 the
good folks at Runtime Revolution will shortly release a derivative upgrade.

Wow . . . I really feel an urge to use 'derivative upgrade' as my phrase 
of the week;
the only thing that prevents me is the fear that my 2 sons will start 
claiming that they
are derivative upgrades of me . . .   :)


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Aug 26 04:19:39 2009
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 03:19:39 -0500
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908221633m47cd853r6dfad62d84f7bdec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090822165421.QPQD10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
	<f99b52860908221633m47cd853r6dfad62d84f7bdec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <665591460908260119i2d4231a7rb128e6430734baa@mail.gmail.com>

LOL,
Gone for how many months from this list, come back and see Randall has his
Eliza Troll forum-reply software still running at high pace.

For the record, I would like to be able to program in Rev just by talking to
it and telling it what I want done-- in plain Amerian. And please RunRev, do
not provide the progressive liberal semantic software intepretation, but
rather a deep Texas conservative one, just like the accent I weel be
speaking in.

This is probably the single most important feature Rev can add. Just think
of the possibilities! To be able to say to Rev,

"Please go look at Photoshop, then program an exact duplicate of it. But not
too exact so I won't get sued. Now, add a cool icon but don't use the word
Photoshop. And, because you now do websites, please create a website with
PayPal and let folks download a copy for only $5.  Oh, and send the money to
me."

Whew! Tiring. Tomorow we'll do the Linux version.

(Actually, I think Jerry might well be working on some sort of voice
controlled t-rev something or other as we speak!)


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 04:49:06 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:49:06 +1000
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <665591460908260022of1d7720t70aef50801e2472b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C6B9C49A.409BF%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<056D9388-B4E4-434D-B822-BAE8AEFCC073@me.com>
	<453BFB32-DCE5-4C1E-B937-A4D94B077E31@qldlearning.com>
	<45DAC16D-C5E6-4B0B-A8D5-3905608497FF@me.com>
	<A232E9C0-26B0-46F9-90D3-2A6AF53179DD@qldlearning.com>
	<075BD138-7711-467C-B05B-86C2B367C4A1@me.com>
	<4A94A726.8010601@crcom.net>
	<C71D46AE-E938-4475-AF32-0B83329D06DF@me.com>
	<665591460908260022of1d7720t70aef50801e2472b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908260149y1f631a4fl17a217afc6a20ec5@mail.gmail.com>

> Personally, I prefer the simplest approach. I can remember what the word
> 'breakpoint' means, not sure if I can remember alexpoint, or lenpoint, or
> some sort of fancy graphic which shows up in a funny color on my Vista
> computer.

I agree with this. And I wouldn't want any accidental "lenpoints"
causing problems for people who use my scripts and don't use tRev.
I don't think Jerry should be adding tokens to Rev, but just
leveraging the existing ones as he is already.

Congratulations Jerry - I think you just made debugging a whole lot
easier and more reliable.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 04:50:45 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:50:45 +1000
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <665591460908260119i2d4231a7rb128e6430734baa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090822165421.QPQD10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
	<f99b52860908221633m47cd853r6dfad62d84f7bdec@mail.gmail.com>
	<665591460908260119i2d4231a7rb128e6430734baa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908260150g29fd0dbbme0a3ddb29744c667@mail.gmail.com>

> Gone for how many months from this list,


We missed you Chipp. Welcome back :-)

Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 04:53:00 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:53:00 +1000
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <665591460908260119i2d4231a7rb128e6430734baa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090822165421.QPQD10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>
	<f99b52860908221633m47cd853r6dfad62d84f7bdec@mail.gmail.com>
	<665591460908260119i2d4231a7rb128e6430734baa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908260153t495d3205m583351719d4c6f06@mail.gmail.com>

> For the record, I would like to be able to program in Rev just by talking to
> it and telling it what I want done-- in plain Amerian. And please RunRev, do
> not provide the progressive liberal semantic software intepretation, but
> rather a deep Texas conservative one, just like the accent I weel be
> speaking in.

LOL!

In one of my infrequent forays into testing Apple's speech
recognition, I found that it was really geared to a male American
voice.
With my rather high-pitched voice, I got almost nowhere, but my
husband had quite a good success rate, which improved if he put on his
best attempt at a US accent :-)

Sarah


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 06:47:31 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:47:31 +0300
Subject: Syllabic division of words
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908260153t495d3205m583351719d4c6f06@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090822165421.QPQD10741.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox>	<f99b52860908221633m47cd853r6dfad62d84f7bdec@mail.gmail.com>	<665591460908260119i2d4231a7rb128e6430734baa@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860908260153t495d3205m583351719d4c6f06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A9512C3.1020205@gmail.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> For the record, I would like to be able to program in Rev just by talking to
>> it and telling it what I want done-- in plain Amerian. And please RunRev, do
>> not provide the progressive liberal semantic software intepretation, but
>> rather a deep Texas conservative one, just like the accent I weel be
>> speaking in.
>>     
>
> LOL!
>
> In one of my infrequent forays into testing Apple's speech
> recognition, I found that it was really geared to a male American
> voice.
> With my rather high-pitched voice, I got almost nowhere, but my
> husband had quite a good success rate, which improved if he put on his
> best attempt at a US accent :-)
>
>   
Back in the days of Mac OS 9 it was great fun to install the extra 
Mexican-Spanish voices
and get them to read English!


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 06:51:10 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:51:10 +0300
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
Message-ID: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>

With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am 
interested to see who is
still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work done.


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Aug 26 07:02:12 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:02:12 +0100
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E45FB96-155E-4B66-ABC4-5A3B24AB7269@azurevision.co.uk>

My wife's main computer is my old rev. A G5 PowerMac.

Ian

On 26 Aug 2009, at 11:51, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am  
> interested to see who is
> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work  
> done.
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From andre at andregarzia.com  Wed Aug 26 07:07:56 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:07:56 +0100
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908260407j51fee8cbs2c3742b708025cd2@mail.gmail.com>

I have two G4 still running...

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Richmond Mathewson <
richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am interested
> to see who is
> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work done.
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 07:13:49 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:13:49 +1000
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908260413w3d918bb6wb0f5882cf449fca@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Richmond
Mathewson<richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am interested
> to see who is
> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work done.


With Pic-a-POD <http://www.troz.net/Pic-a-POD/>, I still get about 11%
of Mac downloads being the PPC version.

Sarah


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Aug 26 07:16:46 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:16:46 -0700
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908260416s43d2d505y3856dc493c73347d@mail.gmail.com>

My 'main' machine is currently the 2.5 dual G5 with two 23" Cinema
displays, as it's very beneficial to have a great deal of real estate
for programming and my little MacBook pro can only do 1 extra monitor.

I'm stuck with the G5 for the time being as I have maxxed out the Pro
Tools original PCI bus hardware with the last PPC revision of PT 8.
The cards are so damn expensive to upgrade to a modern bus scheme that
it's not really worth it.

I have two g4s, an early 500mhz from 1999, and a newer, 'Silver Door'
model. Both were my previous Pro Tools machines. My son's 1999 Cube is
downstairs, non-functioning now but I have the parts to restore it. My
daughter's Purple DV edition iMac is also downstairs, awaiting repair.

My garage is a Mac graveyard with a representative of almost every
type of Mac ever made.   I fear if I send them away as  'electronic
waste' that they will end up in a far off place poisoning people with
toxics as they try and melt off the scrap gold of the motherboards and
get personal information from people's hard drives that they didn't
even bother to secure-erase.

I hate throwing away these oldest machines but they are pretty much
useless. Yes, they can be hooked up to 10-Base T networks,but the
browsers and internet software is not going to work that well with
today's java-powered net.

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com



2009/8/26 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am interested
> to see who is
> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work done.
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From bvg at mac.com  Wed Aug 26 07:17:11 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:17:11 +0200
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <633837A3-8894-47BC-97A6-FDC1E8256E80@mac.com>

the chatrev server runs on an ibook g4.

On 26 Aug 2009, at 12:51, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am  
> interested to see who is
> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work  
> done.


-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"



From psahores at free.fr  Wed Aug 26 07:30:17 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:30:17 +0200
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <2E45FB96-155E-4B66-ABC4-5A3B24AB7269@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
	<2E45FB96-155E-4B66-ABC4-5A3B24AB7269@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <967C6BA9-F38F-41DF-959F-84EA095A58F2@free.fr>

Beside 3 Wintel boxes and 2 MBP, i still use two of them : a macmini  
G4 1.42 Ghz 4 Go OSX 10.3.9 as a web/db server and a PWB 12" G4 1 Ghz  
2 Go 10.4.11 as an administration console. Both are just working  
perfect for such tasks.

Best,

Le 26 ao?t 09 ? 13:02, Ian Wood a ?crit :

> My wife's main computer is my old rev. A G5 PowerMac.
>
> Ian
>
> On 26 Aug 2009, at 11:51, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am  
>> interested to see who is
>> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work  
>> done.
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Aug 26 07:36:57 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:36:57 +0200
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E6929EC-C5B9-45CF-8F52-ABB3E80746F2@skynet.be>


Le 26-ao?t-09 ? 12:51, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am  
> interested to see who is
> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work  
> done.
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Hi

I have 5 macs at home and .. none MacIntel. They are all PPCs (G4 and  
G5) running Leopard.
I don't plan to go to snwo Leopard at this moment. I'm waiting the  
existing software become fully Snow Leopard compatible
And later, softly moving the computers to the new processors

Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Aug 26 08:48:50 2009
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Pfaff-Brill)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:48:50 +0200
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <20090826012658.7371748B45E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090826012658.7371748B45E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8C339375-AD3A-4EB5-9526-2A3022A0539A@derbrill.de>

Just got me a G4 Quicksilver off ebay for testing my stuff on lower  
end machines. Main machine is a MacBook (white) though.

Malte


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 09:01:58 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 06:01:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <213684.68267.qm@web65405.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I mainly depend on my MacBook (1st generation, 32-bit) and my iMac G5. Now that Snow Leopard has Java 6 in 32-bit, I have enough incentive to upgrade - after the conference, to avoid surprises during the presentations ;-)
But PowerPC still outnumbers Intel at my house, as I also have a PowerBook and iMac G3 that I need to support older MacOS 9 stuff...

Jan Schenkel.
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Wed, 8/26/09, Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>
> Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 2009, 3:51 AM
> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an
> Intel processor only OS I am interested to see who is
> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get
> their work done.
> 


      


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 26 10:04:21 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 07:04:21 -0700
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E4A1B74-712C-4714-A7C2-38E3C0288693@yahoo.com>

My workhorse machine is the G5 PPC purchased 5 years ago

I also have
Mac Mini PPC
Compact running XP Pro
2 Mac Book Pro intel
3 Mac mini intel

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:51 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am  
> interested to see who is
> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work  
> done.


From userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Aug 26 10:05:30 2009
From: userevolution at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:05:30 -0500
Subject: Rev compatibility for Windows 7 and Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <14AC92EA-1C00-4AA9-A619-2C463BBE3105@mac.com>
References: <14AC92EA-1C00-4AA9-A619-2C463BBE3105@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A95412A.7060506@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Bill,

Over the last 2 months I have released a few software updates and I
tested all of them pretty extensively on Windows 7.  I have not,
however, tested them on Snow Leopard.

Other than my own personal distaste for Windows 7, Revolution and the
projects I've created with it are working just fine on 7.  And given the
fact that Windows 7 is pretty much Vista with a makeover, it would be
fair to say that if it works on Vista, it'll probably work fine on 7.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com

___________________________________________________________________
Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9!
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/


Bill Vlahos wrote:
> Apple and Microsoft are about to release derivative upgrades to their
> respective operating systems.
> 
> I haven't heard much discussion about either of them on this list with
> respect to compatibility testing of Rev programs. Has anyone done
> testing with the beta versions and have any observations?
> 
> Bill Vlahos
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From mcdomi at free.fr  Wed Aug 26 10:17:17 2009
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:17:17 +0200
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1j52d42.1xwbi4gg7zscmM%mcdomi@free.fr>

Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work done.

Here, a 2.1 GHz iMac G5, running 10.5.7

its superdrive is dying ;-<




From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 11:04:55 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:04:55 +0300
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <1j52d42.1xwbi4gg7zscmM%mcdomi@free.fr>
References: <1j52d42.1xwbi4gg7zscmM%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4A954F17.3090106@gmail.com>

Dom wrote:
> Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work done.
>>     
>
> Here, a 2.1 GHz iMac G5, running 10.5.7
>
> its superdrive is dying ;-<
>
>   
Well, replace it.

The Superdrive in my G4 was not very super, at all; so I took it
out and bunged it in a stray PC I was popping Linux on for a chap
who had no money.

Then replaced it with a TSST corp DVDRW drive, which has given me
sterling service for the last 4 years.

Certainly a lot cheaper than a new computer . . . :)
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Wed Aug 26 11:06:35 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:06:35 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <C6BA30AD.409E0%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C6BA30AD.409E0%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <CDA54570-EE60-420A-A61C-61968D986ADE@me.com>

Dick,

I wise man told me: when in doubt, leave it out.

I'm in doubt. I really do want to keep tRev simple. It's breakpoints  
are easy enough to spot for now.

--> simplicity: http://reveditor.com/avoiding-big-and-complicated-in-trev

Meantime I _will_ do the following:

1. Get our new Raptor feature ready for Feature Friday.

This feature is more game-changing than Decoder. In fact, most of it  
is already in tRev. It is so obvious that I doubt anyone will find it.  
Hehehe. It's one of those inventions that will be used in ways I'm  
sure I've never imagined.

--> live webinar: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/join/249440650

2. I will be thinking about all these cool ideas you and others have  
made for tRev breakpoints as I finish-up Raptor.

Once Raptor is out, we will be feature complete. Then, I will optimize  
and thoroughly debug tRev, getting rid of excess code, etc., and  
release it, giving out brand-new one year reg codes.

After release, I'll probably have some thoughts about breakpoints  
because we will all have had some time using them.

Funding for development is always an issue, so...let's see if we can't  
get at least 500 people using tRev before Fall comes. Right now we're  
at 108!

--> buy tRev: http://runrev.com/products/related-software/trev-editor/

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 26, 2009, at 2:22 AM, Dick Kriesel wrote:

> Thanks, Jerry, and you're welcome.
>
> The behavior of your breakpoint is so different from Rev's that I can
> imagine wanting to use both.  So I'd prefer you to distinguish the  
> two:
> breakpoint and, say, tRev_checkpoint.  uRIP resolves the name space  
> thing.
>
> tRev, instead of inserting the string "breakpoint," could insert a
> one-liner:
>
> if "tRev" is among the lines of the stacksInUse then tRev_checkpoint
>
> or, less obtrusively,
>
> try; tRev_checkpoint; end try
>
> Would that work for you?
>
> -- Dick
>
>
> On 8/25/09 4:55 PM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry.daniels at me.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey, Dick! Good to hear from you.
>>
>> I would need to deal with the whole name space thing...if some other
>> program used checkpoint, etc.
>>
>> Using "breakpoint" has two sizeable advantages over alternatives (now
>> that I'm really considering your suggestion):
>>
>> 1. I don't have to worry about another program using it.
>>
>> 2. It has a use when tRev is not in use. E.g., when you give someone
>> else your code and they don't have tRev (because of a religious
>> injunction or something).
>>
>> Great idea, though. I'll play around with it some. Thanks.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2009, at 6:40 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/25/09 3:18 PM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry.daniels at me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree TOTALLY with the request, but alas, Rev forbids it.
>>>
>>> Hi, Jerry.  Could you proceed without Rev's traceback message?
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   put 1 into t1
>>>   put 2 into t2
>>>   checkPoint
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> command checkPoint
>>>   set the debugcontext to line -2 of the executioncontexts
>>>   global gREVVariableWatcherValue
>>>   debugdo "revDebuggerGrabValue the variableNames"
>>>   repeat for each item tVariableName in line 2 of
>>> gREVVariableWatcherValue
>>>     debugdo "revDebuggerGrabValue" && tVariableName
>>>     put gREVVariableWatcherValue into tVariables[tVariableName]
>>>   end repeat
>>>   set the debugcontext to empty
>>>   -- ... "store the full context into a database"
>>>
>>>   breakpoint -- just so you can see tVariables[]
>>> end checkPoint
>>>
>>>
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From rman at free.fr  Wed Aug 26 11:24:52 2009
From: rman at free.fr (Robert Maniquant)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:24:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <A807F87F-41D0-4D4C-8F91-7B0B04B82D52@qldlearning.com>
References: <C3E313EA-6302-44AD-8CF4-087FCC3AA2B0@me.com>
	<4A945D9F.7020707@tweedly.net>
	<7F6D3335-B245-43C9-AC94-E51711BC3B94@me.com>
	<A807F87F-41D0-4D4C-8F91-7B0B04B82D52@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <25151423.post@talk.nabble.com>


Food for thoughts.. 

Hi, I also rely heavily on "put" as soon as I notice a problem arise. I like
to follow what's happening ("into handler ZZ" "with value of EE=zz" ) I
dreamed of an "aware" decoder which would allow me just a) select a few
variables (among global, handlers and function parameters, internal
variables) b) review their history along the time-line. This timeLine would
be in 2D : horizontal axis would be time and the sequence of handlers where
the variables selected appear, plus maye be a systematic report on
parameters variables ; vertical axis would allow to report loops values of
these variables where needed.

it might be more simple to list time line vertically and provide a pop box
for loops reports, the basis idea is to have 2D somehow! 

Any thoughts?

Robert Maniquant


Brian Yennie wrote:
> 
> 
> 1) Click on a variable name to "decode" it. tRev automagically sets  
> invisible (to me) breakpoints wherever that variable is used. You  
> could give some visual indicator (for instance, background color  
> change).
> 
> 2) Run the script
> 
> 3) View my script -- mouseover any instance of that variable and I get  
> the value at that point in the script.
> 
> 

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From mcdomi at free.fr  Wed Aug 26 11:25:18 2009
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:25:18 +0200
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A954F17.3090106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1j52fry.ckxj0414xt600M%mcdomi@free.fr>

Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, replace it.

 I am scared about disassembling the iMac G5 ;->




From SparkOutYNY at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 11:25:53 2009
From: SparkOutYNY at gmail.com (SparkOut)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:25:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Naive question about interacting with web pages
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908251610x5af059c4x4fd0a90fd58db677@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46925A0E-8CF7-40F0-AD2C-270FB7DF84AA@mac.com>
	<f99b52860908251610x5af059c4x4fd0a90fd58db677@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25151424.post@talk.nabble.com>




Sarah Reichelt-2 wrote:
> 
> 
> This may be possible depending on how the site handles requests.
> Some sites have the input data become part of the URL for the results
> page.
> 
> e.g. if I want to do a Google search for chocolate, I can go to Google
> and type in chocolate, or I could go directly to
> <http://www.google.com/search?q=chocolate>
> where you can see that "chocolate" is already part of the URL.
> 
> In Rev, I could use:
>   get URL "http://www.google.com/search?q=chocolate"
> and I would have the text of the returned web page.
> 
> Once you have the text of the page, then you can manipulate it using
> the standard text chunking, filtering & searching tools.
> If you are looking for an image, then you could try:
>   get offset(" , tWebPage)

If you then end up with something like:
<img src= 
> you can pull out the "images/pic12345.jpg" part, add the root address
> of the web page, to get
>   http://www.website.com/images/pic12345.jpg
> and then set the filename of an image in your stack to this address.
> 
> So firstly, go to the web page you are trying to access and do a
> search manually.
> Check the URL of the results page and see if it contains the data you
> entered.
> If it does, then use Rev to construct that URL and get the text of the web
> page.
> Then you can examine that text and work out how to extract what you
> need from it.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Sarah
> 
Also if you download the addon LiveHTTPHeaders for Firefox, you can set that
in the sidebar and watch the submissions and responses from the server in
real time. You can then check what headers you may need to set in the
request, depending on cookies/POST or GET method, etc.
In essence though, that action of "get url.." or "post theURLencodedData to
url..." mimic exactly what a regular gui based browser does, requesting
pages from a server according to whatever submission has been determined. If
you need to be logged in as an authenticated user, then you will have to
examine the headers to see what process of session cookie exchange there is,
but although that adds an extra step, it can still be done without too much
drama. 
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From jerry.daniels at me.com  Wed Aug 26 11:36:45 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:36:45 -0500
Subject: [OT] Re: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <25151423.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <C3E313EA-6302-44AD-8CF4-087FCC3AA2B0@me.com>
	<4A945D9F.7020707@tweedly.net>
	<7F6D3335-B245-43C9-AC94-E51711BC3B94@me.com>
	<A807F87F-41D0-4D4C-8F91-7B0B04B82D52@qldlearning.com>
	<25151423.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <3E24C622-E205-4376-91CC-25F84F36DD5E@me.com>

Robert,

I like the idea of creating reports using data from tRev breakpoints-- 
as you and others are suggesting. Time would be a natural parameter  
for such reports. Reports can be sequestered from the general workflow  
of the app, also. So I am in favor of it, given enough time and sales  
to warrant and allow it.

As I said in previous posts, I think more actual use of the Decoder  
precedes any significant changes to it--given my release schedule.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 26, 2009, at 10:24 AM, Robert Maniquant wrote:

>
> Food for thoughts..
>
> Hi, I also rely heavily on "put" as soon as I notice a problem  
> arise. I like
> to follow what's happening ("into handler ZZ" "with value of  
> EE=zz" ) I
> dreamed of an "aware" decoder which would allow me just a) select a  
> few
> variables (among global, handlers and function parameters, internal
> variables) b) review their history along the time-line. This  
> timeLine would
> be in 2D : horizontal axis would be time and the sequence of  
> handlers where
> the variables selected appear, plus maye be a systematic report on
> parameters variables ; vertical axis would allow to report loops  
> values of
> these variables where needed.
>
> it might be more simple to list time line vertically and provide a  
> pop box
> for loops reports, the basis idea is to have 2D somehow!
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Robert Maniquant
>
>
> Brian Yennie wrote:
>>
>>
>> 1) Click on a variable name to "decode" it. tRev automagically sets
>> invisible (to me) breakpoints wherever that variable is used. You
>> could give some visual indicator (for instance, background color
>> change).
>>
>> 2) Run the script
>>
>> 3) View my script -- mouseover any instance of that variable and I  
>> get
>> the value at that point in the script.
>>
>>
>
> -- 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Aug 26 11:39:44 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 08:39:44 -0700
Subject: Rev compatibility for Windows 7 and Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <4A955740.60500@fourthworld.com>

Derek Bump wrote:
> Over the last 2 months I have released a few software updates and I
> tested all of them pretty extensively on Windows 7.  I have not,
> however, tested them on Snow Leopard.
> 
> Other than my own personal distaste for Windows 7, Revolution and the
> projects I've created with it are working just fine on 7.  

Good to know. Thanks for that.

> And given the fact that Windows 7 is pretty much Vista with a makeover,
> it would be fair to say that if it works on Vista, it'll probably work
> fine on 7.

I've been following the Win 7 developer blog and they characterize it 
similarly.
<http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/default.aspx>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 12:57:17 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 19:57:17 +0300
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <1j52fry.ckxj0414xt600M%mcdomi@free.fr>
References: <1j52fry.ckxj0414xt600M%mcdomi@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4A95696D.7000601@gmail.com>

Dom wrote:
> Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Well, replace it.
>>     
>
>  I am scared about disassembling the iMac G5 ;->
>
>
>   
The first time I disassembled a computer (putting a G4 processor
into a G3 beige) I stripped down to my undergarments because I
started to drip sweat (not from heat, from nerves) and was worried
that the new processor would be stuck with that rather than
thermal paste!

However, all went well, and that computer served me well for
another 4 years until the video card burnt out.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
0. take a look at this:

http://forums.ilounge.com/archive/index.php/t-157832.html

1. use an antistatic wrist device (i.e. wire yourself up to the
    mains, for the full 'Frankenstein' effect).

2. go very slowly.

it's like "some other things"; neither as difficult, nor as
satisfying as it is cracked up to be!

Best of luck!


From support at ahsomme.com  Wed Aug 26 12:58:13 2009
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:58:13 -0700
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A2D18ABF-396F-4323-9CE8-EE5650500AF7@ahsomme.com>

Richmond,
My "main" computer is a 1.67 Ghz., G4, 17" PowerBook, purchased the  
day the Tiger OS was introduced.
I do almost everything on it and it goes with me on many travels (I  
try to do as much work as possible on customer/client premises).
When working in my office I hook it up to an Apple 23" monitor (older  
eyes, you know) and a Unicomp Model M keyboard (you can probably hear  
the clicking and clacking across the Atlantic). Nothing beats an "M"!
I use an alternate keyboard when traveling as well: the Mac/PC Mini  
Pro. It is not as good as the "M" but travels better. If I had to  
choose just one keyboard to use for everything, I'd choose the Mini Pro.
Both at home and on the road I use a Macally Ice Mini mouse (light,  
fast, simple).
It was always reassuring ("essential" a few years ago) that the  
computer would boot up in OS 9 - which this PB does. But, in  
reflecting a bit, I haven't even used "Classic" for over two years.
We do no work on PCs and I've never owned one.
Two weeks ago the new Mac Mini arrived. I bought it from Power Max in  
Lake Oswego, Oregon and had them replace the 2 1/2" internal drive  
with an Intel X 25E SSD prior to shipping. It is very fast. The  
spinning "gear" you see on startup normally spins over 20 times -  
with the SSD it spins 2.5 times!
When I can get a good, affordable, moderate capacity, SSD in a  
MacBook Pro, it will be time to retire the PowerPC. I'm in no hurry.
Thanks for asking.
Paul Looney

On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:51 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am  
> interested to see who is
> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work  
> done.
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed Aug 26 13:06:46 2009
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:06:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70908260416s43d2d505y3856dc493c73347d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70908260416s43d2d505y3856dc493c73347d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0908261000100.2689@ecs.fullerton.edu>

Sounds like my house.

I have:

*Dual G4 tower
*original iMac
*2nd gen (Sapphire?) iMac (this one actually works)
*G4 Cube
*G4 iMac (well, two actually, but I'm parts-harvesting to make one 
fully-functional FrankenBook).

The Cube's slot-loading drive has been replaced twice to no avail, so I'l 
be prowling for some sort of solution.  Sapphire iMac is used for email 
and playing the online game Escape Velocity by the kiddies, who will also 
get the FrankenBook when it's done.  I want the old original iMac for HC 
and a Mac OS 9-only graphics program and I'm not certain what to do with 
the old tower.  Oh, and I have a PM 7100 too ;-)  No idea whether that one 
even boots.

Judy

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, stephen barncard wrote:

> I have two g4s, an early 500mhz from 1999, and a newer, 'Silver Door'
> model. Both were my previous Pro Tools machines. My son's 1999 Cube is
> downstairs, non-functioning now but I have the parts to restore it. My
> daughter's Purple DV edition iMac is also downstairs, awaiting repair.
>
> My garage is a Mac graveyard with a representative of almost every
> type of Mac ever made.   I fear if I send them away as  'electronic
> waste' that they will end up in a far off place poisoning people with
> toxics as they try and melt off the scrap gold of the motherboards and
> get personal information from people's hard drives that they didn't
> even bother to secure-erase.


From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 13:41:03 2009
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:41:03 -0500
Subject: Determine last character of a variable
Message-ID: <bcabf3d20908261041u4f310318x3d58e95f6b2fee0e@mail.gmail.com>

This is probably a very stupid question..

I am trying to extract a substring from a variable and am unsure how to
determine the last character...

I tried...
put char 1 to last character of tdata into tsubstring
...but this fails.

Thanks for any help!
Warren


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Aug 26 13:43:32 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:43:32 -0700
Subject: Determine last character of a variable
In-Reply-To: <bcabf3d20908261041u4f310318x3d58e95f6b2fee0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d20908261041u4f310318x3d58e95f6b2fee0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908261043o1276c615r4b58b0dc4ce787c@mail.gmail.com>

put char 1 to -1  of tdata into tsubstring


-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com



2009/8/26 Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>:
> This is probably a very stupid question..
>
> I am trying to extract a substring from a variable and am unsure how to
> determine the last character...
>
> I tried...
> put char 1 to last character of tdata into tsubstring
> ...but this fails.
>
> Thanks for any help!
> Warren
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Aug 26 13:44:25 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:44:25 -0700
Subject: Determine last character of a variable
In-Reply-To: <bcabf3d20908261041u4f310318x3d58e95f6b2fee0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d20908261041u4f310318x3d58e95f6b2fee0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A957479.6040902@pdslabs.net>

Try "char 1 to -1 of tdata".

char -1 is the last char
char -2 is the next-to-last char
and so on.

Phil Davis


Warren Kuhl wrote:
> This is probably a very stupid question..
>
> I am trying to extract a substring from a variable and am unsure how to
> determine the last character...
>
> I tried...
> put char 1 to last character of tdata into tsubstring
> ...but this fails.
>
> Thanks for any help!
> Warren
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
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>   

-- 
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Professional Software Development
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From warrenkuhl at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 13:46:59 2009
From: warrenkuhl at gmail.com (Warren Kuhl)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:46:59 -0500
Subject: Determine last character of a variable
In-Reply-To: <4A957479.6040902@pdslabs.net>
References: <bcabf3d20908261041u4f310318x3d58e95f6b2fee0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A957479.6040902@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <bcabf3d20908261046s132120e9j925bf73cf89505b7@mail.gmail.com>

Phil/Stephen,

Thanks for your help!  I never understood what the -1 meant when dealing
with characters.

Appreciate your quick responses!
Warren


On 8/26/09, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:
>
> Try "char 1 to -1 of tdata".
>
> char -1 is the last char
> char -2 is the next-to-last char
> and so on.
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> Warren Kuhl wrote:
>
>> This is probably a very stupid question..
>>
>> I am trying to extract a substring from a variable and am unsure how to
>> determine the last character...
>>
>> I tried...
>> put char 1 to last character of tdata into tsubstring
>> ...but this fails.
>>
>> Thanks for any help!
>> Warren
>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>>
>
> --
> Phil Davis
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Aug 26 13:49:57 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:49:57 -0700
Subject: Determine last character of a variable
In-Reply-To: <bcabf3d20908261046s132120e9j925bf73cf89505b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d20908261041u4f310318x3d58e95f6b2fee0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A957479.6040902@pdslabs.net>
	<bcabf3d20908261046s132120e9j925bf73cf89505b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908261049x1573d610w25560037b3ffcb6a@mail.gmail.com>

Also good for whitespace removal in some cases...

put word 1 to -1 of whatever into tOutput

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com



2009/8/26 Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>:
> Phil/Stephen,
>
> Thanks for your help! ?I never understood what the -1 meant when dealing
> with characters.
>
> Appreciate your quick responses!
> Warren
>
>
> On 8/26/09, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:
>>
>> Try "char 1 to -1 of tdata".
>>
>> char -1 is the last char
>> char -2 is the next-to-last char
>> and so on.
>>
>> Phil Davis
>>
>>
>> Warren Kuhl wrote:
>>
>>> This is probably a very stupid question..
>>>
>>> I am trying to extract a substring from a variable and am unsure how to
>>> determine the last character...
>>>
>>> I tried...
>>> put char 1 to last character of tdata into tsubstring
>>> ...but this fails.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help!
>>> Warren
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Phil Davis
>>
>> PDS Labs
>> Professional Software Development
>> http://pdslabs.net
>>
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Aug 26 13:53:29 2009
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:53:29 -0700
Subject: Determine last character of a variable
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70908261049x1573d610w25560037b3ffcb6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bcabf3d20908261041u4f310318x3d58e95f6b2fee0e@mail.gmail.com>	<4A957479.6040902@pdslabs.net>	<bcabf3d20908261046s132120e9j925bf73cf89505b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70908261049x1573d610w25560037b3ffcb6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A957699.4030602@pdslabs.net>

In my book, Rev's "chunking" capabilities are the 8th wonder of the 
modern world! Their usefulness defies description.

Phil Davis


stephen barncard wrote:
> Also good for whitespace removal in some cases...
>
> put word 1 to -1 of whatever into tOutput
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
>
>
>
> 2009/8/26 Warren Kuhl <warrenkuhl at gmail.com>:
>   
>> Phil/Stephen,
>>
>> Thanks for your help!  I never understood what the -1 meant when dealing
>> with characters.
>>
>> Appreciate your quick responses!
>> Warren
>>
>>
>> On 8/26/09, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:
>>     
>>> Try "char 1 to -1 of tdata".
>>>
>>> char -1 is the last char
>>> char -2 is the next-to-last char
>>> and so on.
>>>
>>> Phil Davis
>>>
>>>
>>> Warren Kuhl wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> This is probably a very stupid question..
>>>>
>>>> I am trying to extract a substring from a variable and am unsure how to
>>>> determine the last character...
>>>>
>>>> I tried...
>>>> put char 1 to last character of tdata into tsubstring
>>>> ...but this fails.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any help!
>>>> Warren
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> --
>>> Phil Davis
>>>
>>> PDS Labs
>>> Professional Software Development
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>>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Aug 26 14:10:58 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:10:58 -0500
Subject: Can't hide field border
In-Reply-To: <995A8388-0384-4AAD-931A-AE447B532CE7@mac.com>
References: <995A8388-0384-4AAD-931A-AE447B532CE7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A957AB2.4090703@hyperactivesw.com>

Bill Vlahos wrote:
> I have a stack that has field that appears to have a border that I can't 
> get rid of. It isn't the actual border (I've turned showBorder on and 
> off and the appearance changes but doesn't get rid of what looks like a 
> border.
> 
> I've dragged a new field onto the card and I can hide the border as 
> expected. I've compared the Properties of both fields and I don't see 
> anything different.
> 
> There must be some setting that is different but I can't tell what it 
> is. Any ideas on what to look for?

See if the showFocusBorder property is true.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Aug 26 15:43:51 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:43:51 EDT
Subject: Determine last character of a variable
Message-ID: <c50.55df4de8.37c6ea77@aol.com>

As Phil said, chunking is way cool, and might be what sets our favorite 
programming languages apart from all the others. HC had it because it did not 
support arrays and data structures. Chunking was an answer to that 
deficiency.

You should make sure you understand that the construction you wanted must 
have the form:

char starNumber to endNumber... (like char 1 to 8)

You had a start number, but then had an end character. (like char 1 to w)

Craig Newman


In a message dated 8/26/09 1:41:25 PM, warrenkuhl at gmail.com writes:


> 
> I tried...
> put char 1 to last character of tdata into tsubstring
> ...but this fails.
> 
> 



From sundown at pacifier.com  Wed Aug 26 16:18:08 2009
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:18:08 -0700
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D6758915-50F0-4DBC-BF2A-EF816B8B1F53@pacifier.com>

My main computer is a Mac G4 AGP 400.  I also have another G4 and a G3
Blue & White.

They work great for me.  Not the fastest but they get the job done  
fast enough.

-=>JB<=-


On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:51 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am  
> interested to see who is
> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work  
> done.
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Aug 26 16:21:33 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:21:33 EDT
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
Message-ID: <d0e.5311d6f9.37c6f34d@aol.com>

Twenty PPC's, G3-G5. Guess what most of them run.

Craig Newman


From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Wed Aug 26 16:21:41 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:21:41 -0400
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0908261000100.2689@ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70908260416s43d2d505y3856dc493c73347d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908261000100.2689@ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <EBBE2A2D-BCCE-4D42-9527-FAE2375E7359@luceatlux.com>

I'm quite different from all you folks in the way of hardware, it  
seems: just one 3 year-old MacBook Pro Intel Duo.  But I recently  
discovered a way to run OS 9 on my 'book, and thereby recovered the  
ability to run a bunch of my older educational software.  What a  
pleasure to see 'em again!  For the software that has made my day, see http://hotfilms.org/non-windows/sheepshaver-mac-os-9-classic-intel-13879.html 
.

George

On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

Sounds like my house.

I have:

*Dual G4 tower
*original iMac
*2nd gen (Sapphire?) iMac (this one actually works)
*G4 Cube
*G4 iMac (well, two actually, but I'm parts-harvesting to make one  
fully-functional FrankenBook).

The Cube's slot-loading drive has been replaced twice to no avail, so  
I'l be prowling for some sort of solution.  Sapphire iMac is used for  
email and playing the online game Escape Velocity by the kiddies, who  
will also get the FrankenBook when it's done.  I want the old original  
iMac for HC and a Mac OS 9-only graphics program and I'm not certain  
what to do with the old tower.  Oh, and I have a PM 7100 too ;-)  No  
idea whether that one even boots.

Judy

On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, stephen barncard wrote:

> I have two g4s, an early 500mhz from 1999, and a newer, 'Silver Door'
> model. Both were my previous Pro Tools machines. My son's 1999 Cube is
> downstairs, non-functioning now but I have the parts to restore it. My
> daughter's Purple DV edition iMac is also downstairs, awaiting repair.
>
> My garage is a Mac graveyard with a representative of almost every
> type of Mac ever made.   I fear if I send them away as  'electronic
> waste' that they will end up in a far off place poisoning people with
> toxics as they try and melt off the scrap gold of the motherboards and
> get personal information from people's hard drives that they didn't
> even bother to secure-erase.
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Aug 26 16:22:18 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:22:18 -0700
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <d0e.5311d6f9.37c6f34d@aol.com>
References: <d0e.5311d6f9.37c6f34d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908261322j60747696uf4053dfabe5fd6d4@mail.gmail.com>

OS9?

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com



2009/8/26  <DunbarX at aol.com>:
> Twenty PPC's, G3-G5. Guess what most of them run.
>
> Craig Newman
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From david at vaudevillecourt.tv  Wed Aug 26 16:25:12 2009
From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:25:12 +0100
Subject: Datagrid SelectionChanged issues
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908261325t53c995c8g49a97bde8ae54772@mail.gmail.com>

>From the docs

on selectionChanged pHilitedIndex, pPrevHilitedIndex
>     put the dgDataOfIndex [ pHilitedIndex ] of me into theSelDataA
>     uiViewRecordOfID theSelDataA["id"]
> end selectionChanged


The script in the behavior of the datagrid is:


> private command _SelectionChanged pPreviouslyHilitedIndexes
>     dispatch "selectionChanged" with sHilitedIndexes,
> pPreviouslyHilitedIndexes
> end _SelectionChanged
>

And I am having problems with old / new values when setting the dgHilite of
the dgControl from a card script, where pHilitedIndex is empty and "the
dgHilitedLine of the dgControl" is the pPrevHilitedIndex. Ho can I get
the value
for pHilitedIndex given a change of the selection initiated by "setting the
dgHilite"?


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Aug 26 16:25:33 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:25:33 -0700
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <EBBE2A2D-BCCE-4D42-9527-FAE2375E7359@luceatlux.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70908260416s43d2d505y3856dc493c73347d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908261000100.2689@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<EBBE2A2D-BCCE-4D42-9527-FAE2375E7359@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908261325u1bafe3d4pdcf7b4a9872e6e40@mail.gmail.com>

here's the official site for sheepshaver - intel / ppc

http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com



2009/8/26 George C Brackett <gbrackett at luceatlux.com>:
> I'm quite different from all you folks in the way of hardware, it seems:
> just one 3 year-old MacBook Pro Intel Duo. ?But I recently discovered a way
> to run OS 9 on my 'book, and thereby recovered the ability to run a bunch of
> my older educational software. ?What a pleasure to see 'em again! ?For the
> software that has made my day, see
> http://hotfilms.org/non-windows/sheepshaver-mac-os-9-classic-intel-13879.html.
>
> George
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
>
> Sounds like my house.
>
> I have:
>
> *Dual G4 tower
> *original iMac
> *2nd gen (Sapphire?) iMac (this one actually works)
> *G4 Cube
> *G4 iMac (well, two actually, but I'm parts-harvesting to make one
> fully-functional FrankenBook).
>
> The Cube's slot-loading drive has been replaced twice to no avail, so I'l be
> prowling for some sort of solution. ?Sapphire iMac is used for email and
> playing the online game Escape Velocity by the kiddies, who will also get
> the FrankenBook when it's done. ?I want the old original iMac for HC and a
> Mac OS 9-only graphics program and I'm not certain what to do with the old
> tower. ?Oh, and I have a PM 7100 too ;-) ?No idea whether that one even
> boots.
>
> Judy
>
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> I have two g4s, an early 500mhz from 1999, and a newer, 'Silver Door'
>> model. Both were my previous Pro Tools machines. My son's 1999 Cube is
>> downstairs, non-functioning now but I have the parts to restore it. My
>> daughter's Purple DV edition iMac is also downstairs, awaiting repair.
>>
>> My garage is a Mac graveyard with a representative of almost every
>> type of Mac ever made. ? I fear if I send them away as ?'electronic
>> waste' that they will end up in a far off place poisoning people with
>> toxics as they try and melt off the scrap gold of the motherboards and
>> get personal information from people's hard drives that they didn't
>> even bother to secure-erase.
>
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From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Wed Aug 26 16:29:00 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:29:00 -0400
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70908261325u1bafe3d4pdcf7b4a9872e6e40@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70908260416s43d2d505y3856dc493c73347d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908261000100.2689@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<EBBE2A2D-BCCE-4D42-9527-FAE2375E7359@luceatlux.com>
	<e5e009d70908261325u1bafe3d4pdcf7b4a9872e6e40@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2470E65-3224-4673-A9D6-2837D35B41EC@luceatlux.com>

Correct.  But the URL I provided gives you a complete installation,  
including PPC ROM.  You just install the package, run the app, and  
voila: OS 9 boots into a  window.

George

On Aug 26, 2009, at 4:25 PM, stephen barncard wrote:

here's the official site for sheepshaver - intel / ppc

http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com



2009/8/26 George C Brackett <gbrackett at luceatlux.com>:
> I'm quite different from all you folks in the way of hardware, it  
> seems:
> just one 3 year-old MacBook Pro Intel Duo.  But I recently  
> discovered a way
> to run OS 9 on my 'book, and thereby recovered the ability to run a  
> bunch of
> my older educational software.  What a pleasure to see 'em again!   
> For the
> software that has made my day, see
> http://hotfilms.org/non-windows/sheepshaver-mac-os-9-classic-intel-13879.html 
> .
>
> George
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
>
> Sounds like my house.
>
> I have:
>
> *Dual G4 tower
> *original iMac
> *2nd gen (Sapphire?) iMac (this one actually works)
> *G4 Cube
> *G4 iMac (well, two actually, but I'm parts-harvesting to make one
> fully-functional FrankenBook).
>
> The Cube's slot-loading drive has been replaced twice to no avail,  
> so I'l be
> prowling for some sort of solution.  Sapphire iMac is used for email  
> and
> playing the online game Escape Velocity by the kiddies, who will  
> also get
> the FrankenBook when it's done.  I want the old original iMac for HC  
> and a
> Mac OS 9-only graphics program and I'm not certain what to do with  
> the old
> tower.  Oh, and I have a PM 7100 too ;-)  No idea whether that one  
> even
> boots.
>
> Judy
>
> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, stephen barncard wrote:
>
>> I have two g4s, an early 500mhz from 1999, and a newer, 'Silver Door'
>> model. Both were my previous Pro Tools machines. My son's 1999 Cube  
>> is
>> downstairs, non-functioning now but I have the parts to restore it.  
>> My
>> daughter's Purple DV edition iMac is also downstairs, awaiting  
>> repair.
>>
>> My garage is a Mac graveyard with a representative of almost every
>> type of Mac ever made.   I fear if I send them away as  'electronic
>> waste' that they will end up in a far off place poisoning people with
>> toxics as they try and melt off the scrap gold of the motherboards  
>> and
>> get personal information from people's hard drives that they didn't
>> even bother to secure-erase.
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Aug 26 16:30:26 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:30:26 -0700
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <C2470E65-3224-4673-A9D6-2837D35B41EC@luceatlux.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70908260416s43d2d505y3856dc493c73347d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908261000100.2689@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<EBBE2A2D-BCCE-4D42-9527-FAE2375E7359@luceatlux.com>
	<e5e009d70908261325u1bafe3d4pdcf7b4a9872e6e40@mail.gmail.com>
	<C2470E65-3224-4673-A9D6-2837D35B41EC@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908261330l66c8495dpebbff47d76b9aabb@mail.gmail.com>

The rom: Isn't that a copyright violation?

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com



2009/8/26 George C Brackett <gbrackett at luceatlux.com>:
> Correct. ?But the URL I provided gives you a complete installation,
> including PPC ROM. ?You just install the package, run the app, and voila: OS
> 9 boots into a ?window.
>
> George
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 4:25 PM, stephen barncard wrote:
>
> here's the official site for sheepshaver - intel / ppc
>
> http://sheepshaver.cebix.net/
>
> -------------------------
> Stephen Barncard
> San Francisco
> http://barncard.com
>
>
>
> 2009/8/26 George C Brackett <gbrackett at luceatlux.com>:
>>
>> I'm quite different from all you folks in the way of hardware, it seems:
>> just one 3 year-old MacBook Pro Intel Duo. ?But I recently discovered a
>> way
>> to run OS 9 on my 'book, and thereby recovered the ability to run a bunch
>> of
>> my older educational software. ?What a pleasure to see 'em again! ?For the
>> software that has made my day, see
>>
>> http://hotfilms.org/non-windows/sheepshaver-mac-os-9-classic-intel-13879.html.
>>
>> George
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:06 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like my house.
>>
>> I have:
>>
>> *Dual G4 tower
>> *original iMac
>> *2nd gen (Sapphire?) iMac (this one actually works)
>> *G4 Cube
>> *G4 iMac (well, two actually, but I'm parts-harvesting to make one
>> fully-functional FrankenBook).
>>
>> The Cube's slot-loading drive has been replaced twice to no avail, so I'l
>> be
>> prowling for some sort of solution. ?Sapphire iMac is used for email and
>> playing the online game Escape Velocity by the kiddies, who will also get
>> the FrankenBook when it's done. ?I want the old original iMac for HC and a
>> Mac OS 9-only graphics program and I'm not certain what to do with the old
>> tower. ?Oh, and I have a PM 7100 too ;-) ?No idea whether that one even
>> boots.
>>
>> Judy
>>
>> On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, stephen barncard wrote:
>>
>>> I have two g4s, an early 500mhz from 1999, and a newer, 'Silver Door'
>>> model. Both were my previous Pro Tools machines. My son's 1999 Cube is
>>> downstairs, non-functioning now but I have the parts to restore it. My
>>> daughter's Purple DV edition iMac is also downstairs, awaiting repair.
>>>
>>> My garage is a Mac graveyard with a representative of almost every
>>> type of Mac ever made. ? I fear if I send them away as ?'electronic
>>> waste' that they will end up in a far off place poisoning people with
>>> toxics as they try and melt off the scrap gold of the motherboards and
>>> get personal information from people's hard drives that they didn't
>>> even bother to secure-erase.
>>
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From DunbarX at aol.com  Wed Aug 26 16:35:36 2009
From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:35:36 EDT
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
Message-ID: <ca3.5972cf39.37c6f698@aol.com>

Yep. My favorite OS.

In a message dated 8/26/09 4:22:42 PM, stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com 
writes:


> OS9?
> 



From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Wed Aug 26 16:43:22 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:43:22 -0700
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <ca3.5972cf39.37c6f698@aol.com>
References: <ca3.5972cf39.37c6f698@aol.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908261343q68a18e12neca2d411ddecceb6@mail.gmail.com>

They finally got it right with 9.2.2

-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://barncard.com


2009/8/26 <DunbarX at aol.com>

> Yep. My favorite OS.
>
> In a message dated 8/26/09 4:22:42 PM, stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com
> writes:
>
>
> > OS9?
> >
>
>


From sundown at pacifier.com  Wed Aug 26 16:46:25 2009
From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 13:46:25 -0700
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <ca3.5972cf39.37c6f698@aol.com>
References: <ca3.5972cf39.37c6f698@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6042A26C-224F-4687-A172-2396D6C92AC0@pacifier.com>

One of the things I really like about the G4 and G3 PPC is you can
run OS9 and even OS 8.6 by installing the proper version without
needing to use an emulator.  So on my PPC I have three different
operating systems.  OS X 10.4.11, OS 9 and OS 8.6.

-=>JB<=-


On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:35 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote:

> Yep. My favorite OS.
>
> In a message dated 8/26/09 4:22:42 PM, stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com
> writes:
>
>
>> OS9?
>>
>
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Wed Aug 26 16:45:55 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:45:55 +0200
Subject: How to reliably crash Rev 3.5 and 4.0-dp3 with four script lines
Message-ID: <4A959F03.6070909@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Actually you can choose between two four-liners, depending on the 
specific conditions.

First, a few remarks about the context and the circumstances in which 
such crashes occur:

Starting in March this year, I have sent posts to this list about 
crashes while using image processing tools or scripts, about 6 times 
until now.
In most cases the crashes were of that type where stack and IDE suddenly 
disappear from the screen without a prior error message or error 
announcement from inside Revolution, sometimes the crashes were 
accompanied - on Windows XP - with a Windows system error message indicating

"Revolution Engine for Win 32"

When I hit button "debug" in this Windows dialog, the dissassembler of 
Visual C comes up - first with another dialog showing

"Revolution.exe:  0x0000005 Access Violation"

Then the disassembler of Visual C points to

7C91120E int 3  or 7C91120F int 3

and after releasing the access violation dialog to

00543D45 mov         cl. byte ptr [ebx + edx]"

There is a more detailed report available which is intended to be sent 
to Microsoft Corporation.

Apart from these sudden crashes, where Rev simply vanishes from the 
screen, I got four "corrupted" stacks - stacks that cannot be opened 
anymore - and several times I experienced a certain "damage" in stacks: 
Buttons - and at one time an image - disappearing from an otherwise 
functional stack. In a related case I suddenly happened to get groups 
nested 9 levels deep, although in the script that seemed to have 
produced these nested groups, groups were built and properly ungrouped 
only at two places in the script. The same script - without a change - 
never before and also never after this incident produced such nested groups.

The problem I had with these difficulties and crashes was that I could 
not find out where in the script and how these were caused. The very 
same script could run 30 times as it should and then suddenly produce a 
crash during run time 31.

I had listed some "peculiarities" concerning image and graphics 
processing in Rev in my earlier posts, which might be connected with 
these crashes and irregularities. See an updated list of such 
peculiarities at the end of this post under "P.S."

In nearly all of my image-processing stacks - meaning with the exception 
of one - I never or rarely experienced engine crashes (such as 
"Imagedata Toolkit 
<http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImagedataToolkitPreview3.zip>", "Seamless 
Tiles <http://www.sanke.org/Software/SeamlessTiles2.zip>", "Thumbs and 
Slides <http://www.sanke.org/Software/ThumbsAndSlides09.zip>", "Snapshot 
Teststack <http://www.sanke.org/Software/SnapshotTestStack.zip>", "More 
about Masks <http://www.sanke.org/Software/MoreAboutMasksRev3.zip>", 
"Photo Patchworks",
"Join Overlapping Images 
<http://www.sanke.org/Software/JoinOverlappingImages.tip>", "Dynamic 
Image Buttons <http://www.sanke.org/Software/DynamicImageButtons.zip>"), 
but I got an increased number of crashes and weird behaviors when I 
started working on my "Gradient Kaleidoscope" tool.
For positive results - when the stack was working - see 
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/GradientKaleidoscopeGallery1.htm> along 
with galleries 2 to 4 accessible from there.
Especially with a new component of the "Gradient Kaleidoscope" tool, a 
script taking hexagonal snapshots from an image and then arranging 6 of 
these snapshots (which could then be modified in various ways) around a 
seventh hexagon to form a new image and shape, I ran into a lot of 
troubles, and then I gradually was able to weed out some of the 
problems. Again, "positive" results of this special component can be 
inspected here:

<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/SevenHexagons.htm>

Characteristic of the Gradient Kaleidoscope stack is the high density 
and interelatedness of snapshot-taking, masking, setting angles of 
images, grouping, ungrouping, re-setting of angles to 0, and the use of 
up to 8 hidden placeholder images that are arranged and re-arranged to 
form the new images and different shapes.

In one of the scripts creating seven-hexagon images I eventually 
happened to notice a constellation, in which I could consistently 
reproduce crashes of the Rev engine. I had ungrouped two angled hexagon 
snapshots to set their angles to 0 and then use the two images again in 
another grouped arrangement. The two scriptlines of the kind "set the 
angle of img "placeholder" to 0" immediately crashed stack and IDE - 
commenting out the two lines prevented a crash.
The entire script contained about 120 lines, so I tried to find the 
relevant elements for the crash and finally ended up with two sets of 
four-liners that are of course connected to certain preconditions. I 
produced a test stack "Crash Recipe" which contains and isolated the 
elements necessary for a crash, and I also added a workaround.that 
avoided a crash to that stack.

First of all, the one image used in the test stack needs to be of the 
"Pre-PNG" type, an image type I have named as such and described in 
detail in my stack "More about Masks"

<http://www.sanke.org/Software/MoreAboutMasksRev3.zip> in the text 
brought up on the menu card from the topright introduction button.

"Pre-PNG" images are basically those that are created or modified (as to 
their imagedata) in Revolution and have not yet been saved as external 
files and then been re-imported. Even if you export a snapshot using "to 
image x as PNG" (image x being an image already existing on the card), 
the resulting image will remain a Pre-PNG, also copying and pasting the 
Pre-PNG to another card or stack preserves the quality of the Pre-PNGs 
which behave differently in some respects. For details see my comments 
in "More about Masks".

For the test stack I created a basic gradient image with the "Gradient 
Kaleidoscope" tool and copied it to the teststack. If you want to work 
with a test stack of your own, you could create an image in my 
"Imagedata Toolkit 
<http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImagedataToolkitPreview3.zip>" 
(preferably a gradient image) and then copy it into your stack along 
with the scripts below.

The second precondition is that "lock screen" is used as the first line 
in the four-liner, without "lock screen" no crashes occur.

Script 1 assumes that you have set the angle of img "test" to an angle 
other than 0 and that img "test" is ungrouped.

  "lock screen
  select img "Test"
  group
  set the angle of img "Test" to 0"

Script 2 assumes that you have set the angle of img "test" to an angle 
other than 0 and that img "test" has been grouped immediately before 
running the script

  "lock screen
  select last group
  ungroup
  set the angle of img "Test" to 0"

Happy crashes now! Happily with these reduced scripts you will not 
produce corrupted stacks.

One workaround to avoid the crash is to take line "set the angle of img 
"Test" to 0" out of the script and put it into a separate button 
script., let us name the button "ZeroAngle".

In Script 1 and 2 then you need to replace the last line by

"send "mouseup" to btn "ZeroAngle" in 0 milliseconds"

The most important part of the above line is "in 0 milliseconds".

I have come across such "out-sourcing" needs several times in 
image-processing scripts, also such where you need not add "in x  
milliseconds".--

I will spend an very extended weekend in "Heidelberg" on urgent business 
and also some diversions (among them anniverseries) planned long ahead, 
unfortunately preventing that I might even listen in to the Rev 
Edinburgh conference. But I wish all participants new insights and 
experiences.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>

===================================================================

P.S.: Some examples of peculiarities in image and graphics processing or 
related to it:

1. Sometimes using "flip horizontal" 1/3 of a partly transparent image 
is suddenly additionally transparent.

2. Turning the mid-square of an rectangular image (width > height) by 90 
degrees (shifting the pixels by script) results in a semi-transparent 
overlay when the width of the image is odd

3. Some operations cannot be performed on an image when the ink is set 
to "notSrcCopy", e.g. replacing a color or color range by a specific 
other color

4. Exporting a snapshot to an image with a blendlevel (e.g. set to 50) 
leaves part of the former contents of the image intact.

5. With one script I suddenly happened to get groups nested 9 levels 
deep, although in the script that seemed to have produced these nested 
groups, groups were built and properly ungrouped only at two places in 
the script. The same script - without a change - never before and also 
never after this incident produced such nested groups.
The creation of these 9 nested groups was accompanied by a crash, 
question is: Did the nested groups cause the crash or did the crash 
produce the nested groups?

6. "lock screen" is sometimes disregarded (first noticed with version 
4.0-dp1, later also with 3.5) by the engine in scripts of the 
Kaleidoscope stack

7. "Pre-PNG" images are basically such that are created or modified (as 
to their imagedata) in Revolution and have not yet been saved as 
external files and then been re-imported.
 >From the introductory text of stack "More about Masks 
<http://www.sanke.org/Software/MoreAboutMasksRev3.zip>":

"A final observation concerning the creation of masks inside Revolution 
and using the "import snapshot" format:

If the resulting mask image is not first saved as an external file and 
then imported again, meaning if it remains as freshly created inside a 
stack or was just copied from another mask-producing stack, then this 
mask image will have a different quality, which we might call a "pre-PNG".

Pre-PNGs behave somewhat differently than normal PNGs: You cannot 
transfer its alphamask to the image-to-be-masked when the pre-PNG is 
hidden, at least not several times with resizing. After you have resized 
a pre-PNG during the masking process, you might find that it is suddenly 
"empty", but it can be restored when you copy and paste it (it then 
appears in its original size and shape).
A workaround to overcome this problem is to store the mask in a custom 
property of its own and then to "initialize" the mask each time before 
it is used in the calling script:
"put the CPimg of img "transition" into img "transition""

But of course you can easily convert a pre-PNG to a full PNG by saving 
the image as an external file."

8. Again "transparency": Sometimes you need to take a snapshot of 
grouped and partly transparent images twice to get the correct connected 
transparency. I have got a script where is necessary - I do not yet know 
why.

9. Another example of "weirdness": Group names can happen to be 
transferred from one stack to another without having been transferred 
manually or in a script. The following happened:
Two stacks are open. A group is used in stack A as a selection graphic 
and then hidden. An ungrouped image is copied (manually) from stack A to 
stack B. When the image pasted into stack B is grouped now, the group 
(which is not given a name at this point) assumes the name of the group 
last used in stack A, and also the newly grouped image is hidden in 
stack B (as the the group with the same name was hidden in stack A).
When I close stack A, nevertheless grouping the image in stack B 
produces the same results. Only after both stacks are closed, Revolution 
is quitted and then restarted, then grouping the image in stack B will 
work without transferring the group name from stack A.

10. You cannot paint on a grouped image or perform scripted paint 
operations on it. To do so you need to get the image out of the group first.


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 16:50:01 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:50:01 +0300
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <e5e009d70908261343q68a18e12neca2d411ddecceb6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca3.5972cf39.37c6f698@aol.com>
	<e5e009d70908261343q68a18e12neca2d411ddecceb6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A959FF9.1010905@gmail.com>

stephen barncard wrote:
> They finally got it right with 9.2.2
>   
Yes, they did, and then, having promised a "twin-track" system with a
NextStep development (i.e. X) and a continuation of what is now coyly
called "Classic", they renaged and left us with X, which still looks 
like a work
in progress.

Reminds me of Windows 98; which, if you are a Windows fan, was a fairly
high point. Followed up by Millennium (cough, cough, splutter)!



From wjm at wjm.org  Wed Aug 26 17:41:48 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (William Marriott)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 22:41:48 +0100
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A959FF9.1010905@gmail.com>
References: <ca3.5972cf39.37c6f698@aol.com>	<e5e009d70908261343q68a18e12neca2d411ddecceb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A959FF9.1010905@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <h74a6t$6vh$1@ger.gmane.org>

Which unlike Mac OS, you can still run on even the latest hardware and 
software (Core i7, Windows 7 64-bit) in a wholly supported, 
high-performance way via Virtual PC 2007 (and several other VM products).


Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Reminds me of Windows 98; which, if you are a Windows fan, was a fairly
> high point.



From pmbrig at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 18:26:02 2009
From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham MD)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:26:02 -0400
Subject: [OT] new collaboration tool from Google
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0908251030p5a38058fnf8a76e9394719430@mail.gmail.com>
References: <00038468.4A9433D0@the-office.us> <4A941A38.300@ekoinf.net>
	<c1c5836b0908251030p5a38058fnf8a76e9394719430@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E59E4D37-00E4-4F0D-9DAB-4A6831005FB5@gmail.com>

I just got the time to watch the video -- pretty impressive. What  
especially caught my eye is that there is a section of the video that  
demos the use of Google Wave as a fully interactive GUI for a bug  
database. Hope the folks at RunRev are paying attention. This could  
streamline the QC center a lot, if there's a way to implement the  
Google Wave API in that context. Check it out -- the relevant section  
starts at about 1:02:00.

-- Peter

Peter M. Brigham
pmbrig at gmail.com
http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig


On Aug 25, 2009, at 1:30 PM, David Bovill wrote:

> Yep - got a developer account and merging it with the Jabber / XMPP  
> library
> I have - will be released GPL.
>
> 2009/8/25 viktoras d. <viktoras at ekoinf.net>
>
>> Seen this: http://wave.google.com/ ?
>>
>> V.
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From bobs at twft.com  Wed Aug 26 19:11:15 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 16:11:15 -0700
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <h74a6t$6vh$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <ca3.5972cf39.37c6f698@aol.com>
	<e5e009d70908261343q68a18e12neca2d411ddecceb6@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A959FF9.1010905@gmail.com> <h74a6t$6vh$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <49CA2471-A5F1-4D8F-BF1D-5D2A184AF6BA@twft.com>

Really? Maybe it's better now, but when I tried to install it in  
parallels I could not get it to work in spite of all the help and docs  
that described how you could. Further, we had to abandon an old air  
conditioning control system because it ran as a DOS Shell and we  
couldn't install 98 on any new laptops or towers from Dell.

Bob Sneidar
IT Manager
Calvary Chapel CM
Sent from iPhone

On Aug 26, 2009, at 14:41, William Marriott <wjm at wjm.org> wrote:

> Which unlike Mac OS, you can still run on even the latest hardware  
> and software (Core i7, Windows 7 64-bit) in a wholly supported, high- 
> performance way via Virtual PC 2007 (and several other VM products).
>
>
> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>> Reminds me of Windows 98; which, if you are a Windows fan, was a  
>> fairly
>> high point.
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Aug 26 20:04:00 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 18:04:00 -0600
Subject: Rev compatibility for Windows 7 and Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <14AC92EA-1C00-4AA9-A619-2C463BBE3105@mac.com>
References: <14AC92EA-1C00-4AA9-A619-2C463BBE3105@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F6C9D6C-25A9-4B07-9ED1-DB4BD52C8A9C@byu.edu>

The few times I've run Rev on a Snow Leopard developer copy it's run  
perfectly. I've run both stacks and standalones and they seem to work  
fine. I haven't done any systematic testing on Snow Leopard, however.

Devin

On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:14 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> Apple and Microsoft are about to release derivative upgrades to their
> respective operating systems.
>
> I haven't heard much discussion about either of them on this list with
> respect to compatibility testing of Rev programs. Has anyone done
> testing with the beta versions and have any observations?
>
> Bill Vlahos
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Brigham Young University



From bvg at mac.com  Wed Aug 26 20:43:29 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 02:43:29 +0200
Subject: How to reliably crash Rev 3.5 and 4.0-dp3 with four script lines
In-Reply-To: <4A959F03.6070909@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4A959F03.6070909@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <72BFECD5-E114-4116-B377-539A44C3C22C@mac.com>


On 26 Aug 2009, at 22:45, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> <snipped out a novel here>


maybe sending this to the runrev guys/gals via bugzilla err....  
quality center would be more advantageous in regards to getting the  
crashes fixed?

On the other hand, sending such posts to the use list can be very  
therapeutic, as i can attest from my own experiences ;)

To bad that you can't even attend edinburgh via the web :(

Bj?rnke

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://bjoernke.com?target=chatrev

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://bjoernke.com/chatrev/chatrev1.3b3.rev"



From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed Aug 26 20:52:28 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:52:28 -0700
Subject: Can't hide field border
In-Reply-To: <4A957AB2.4090703@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <995A8388-0384-4AAD-931A-AE447B532CE7@mac.com>
	<4A957AB2.4090703@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <642A672E-61DF-49B2-8906-54F7BA51D628@mac.com>

It is true but it doesn't matter if it is true or false. I still see it.

Bill Vlahos

On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:10 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Bill Vlahos wrote:
>> I have a stack that has field that appears to have a border that I  
>> can't get rid of. It isn't the actual border (I've turned  
>> showBorder on and off and the appearance changes but doesn't get  
>> rid of what looks like a border.
>> I've dragged a new field onto the card and I can hide the border as  
>> expected. I've compared the Properties of both fields and I don't  
>> see anything different.
>> There must be some setting that is different but I can't tell what  
>> it is. Any ideas on what to look for?
>
> See if the showFocusBorder property is true.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed Aug 26 20:57:49 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 17:57:49 -0700
Subject: Rev compatibility for Windows 7 and Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <4F6C9D6C-25A9-4B07-9ED1-DB4BD52C8A9C@byu.edu>
References: <14AC92EA-1C00-4AA9-A619-2C463BBE3105@mac.com>
	<4F6C9D6C-25A9-4B07-9ED1-DB4BD52C8A9C@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <13F7390C-B9FF-41E2-97AE-E632D87BD283@mac.com>

Thanks for the feedback on both Windows 7 and Snow Leopard.

Bill Vlahos

On Aug 26, 2009, at 5:04 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

> The few times I've run Rev on a Snow Leopard developer copy it's run  
> perfectly. I've run both stacks and standalones and they seem to  
> work fine. I haven't done any systematic testing on Snow Leopard,  
> however.
>
> Devin
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:14 AM, Bill Vlahos wrote:
>
>> Apple and Microsoft are about to release derivative upgrades to their
>> respective operating systems.
>>
>> I haven't heard much discussion about either of them on this list  
>> with
>> respect to compatibility testing of Rev programs. Has anyone done
>> testing with the beta versions and have any observations?
>>
>> Bill Vlahos
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> Devin Asay
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> Brigham Young University
>
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From piero.ugliengo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 03:16:58 2009
From: piero.ugliengo at gmail.com (Piero Ugliengo)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:16:58 +0200
Subject: Performance of RevMedia on matrix diagonalization
Message-ID: <ae3be960908270016w6104873aya6547307a5da74b5@mail.gmail.com>

I am completely new to Revolution. I have downloaded the RevMedia alpha
version and played a bit with it. I was impressed by how fast I was able to
port a little VB6 code to RevMedia. This code diagonalizes a symmetric
matrix using the Jacobi algorithm. I checked against the VB6 code and I got
exactly the same results in the same number of iterations so that numerics
is the same. However the RevMedia code is at least one order of magnitude
slower than the VB6 one. For instance a 50x50 matrix is diagonalized in a
couple of seconds in VB6 and it tooks more than a minute on RevMedia. I know
that RevMedia is not meant for numerical intensive calculations; however, I
would like to use it in a scientific teaching context so some power is
needed. I wonder if anybody much expert than me can try the code using the
most powerful Revolution Studio and if there is a clever way to deal with
matrix algebra.
The link to download the rev script is here:
http://sites.google.com/site/pierougliengo/download-1/test.rev?attredirects=0

<http://sites.google.com/site/pierougliengo/download-1/test.rev?attredirects=0>One
can set the size of the matrix in the onmouse routine.
Thanks a lot
_________________
Piero Ugliengo

-- 
Prof. Piero Ugliengo
University of Torino
Dip. Chimica IFM,  Via P. Giuria, 7 I-10125 Torino
ITALY
Phone: +39-011-670.4596
FAX:   +39-011-236.4596
E-mail:  piero.ugliengo at unito.it
Home page:
http://web086.unito.it/cgi-bin/chimifm/persone.pl/Show?_id=ugliengo&sort=DEFAULT&search=&hits=70
MOLDRAW: http://www.moldraw.unito.it


From martinblackman at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 03:36:28 2009
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:36:28 +0800
Subject: Performance of RevMedia on matrix diagonalization
In-Reply-To: <ae3be960908270016w6104873aya6547307a5da74b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae3be960908270016w6104873aya6547307a5da74b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70908270036h22546422lc4f903b8a3adb25b@mail.gmail.com>

I just tried it in Rev Studio. Changed 'N' to 50 under mouseup, it
took a shade over 30 seconds to diagonalise, I'm using a 4 year old
AMD 64 3200+.
I'll leave the optimising to others for now..


2009/8/27 Piero Ugliengo <piero.ugliengo at gmail.com>:
> I am completely new to Revolution. I have downloaded the RevMedia alpha
> version and played a bit with it. I was impressed by how fast I was able to
> port a little VB6 code to RevMedia. This code diagonalizes a symmetric
> matrix using the Jacobi algorithm. I checked against the VB6 code and I got
> exactly the same results in the same number of iterations so that numerics
> is the same. However the RevMedia code is at least one order of magnitude
> slower than the VB6 one. For instance a 50x50 matrix is diagonalized in a
> couple of seconds in VB6 and it tooks more than a minute on RevMedia. I know
> that RevMedia is not meant for numerical intensive calculations; however, I
> would like to use it in a scientific teaching context so some power is
> needed. I wonder if anybody much expert than me can try the code using the
> most powerful Revolution Studio and if there is a clever way to deal with
> matrix algebra.
> The link to download the rev script is here:
> http://sites.google.com/site/pierougliengo/download-1/test.rev?attredirects=0
>
> <http://sites.google.com/site/pierougliengo/download-1/test.rev?attredirects=0>One
> can set the size of the matrix in the onmouse routine.
> Thanks a lot
> _________________
> Piero Ugliengo
>
> --
> Prof. Piero Ugliengo
> University of Torino
> Dip. Chimica IFM, ?Via P. Giuria, 7 I-10125 Torino
> ITALY
> Phone: +39-011-670.4596
> FAX: ? +39-011-236.4596
> E-mail: ?piero.ugliengo at unito.it
> Home page:
> http://web086.unito.it/cgi-bin/chimifm/persone.pl/Show?_id=ugliengo&sort=DEFAULT&search=&hits=70
> MOLDRAW: http://www.moldraw.unito.it
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From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Thu Aug 27 04:04:12 2009
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:04:12 +0100
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <2E45FB96-155E-4B66-ABC4-5A3B24AB7269@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
	<2E45FB96-155E-4B66-ABC4-5A3B24AB7269@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A963DFC.6020002@harbourhosting.co.uk>

I have a beige G3 - now only used for printing to an ancient but still
usable inkjet that won't run with X, and for reminding myself what
computers were like when buying one meant that you actually owned it,
yourself, and the need to protect yourself against constant snoopers and
diallers-home was barely imagined.

Plus 2 G4s which are quite heavily used mainly for graphics but also for
general tasks. I mainly script on Windows XP.

I have too many old mac programs that I still want to run / see no
reason to buy all over again.

The G4s are identical models. If either one breaks I intend to keep it
as spares for the other, and keep one running as long as possible.

You might guess that I have long-since lost interest in "keeping up with
the Joneses" as we say here. And you'd be right. I do hope to add an
Intel mac of some sort this year, but if so it will probably be brought
into commission slowly, and is unlikely to replace the others as such,
it will be more to run software that is only available for that platform.


On 26 Aug 2009, at 11:51, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am
> interested to see who is
> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work done.

-- 
If you want to go fast, go alone; if you want to go far, go together
(African proverb)


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Thu Aug 27 04:16:02 2009
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:16:02 +0200
Subject: How to reliably crash Rev 3.5 and 4.0-dp3 with four script lines
Message-ID: <4A9640C2.8010508@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Wed Aug 26, 2009, Bj?rnke von Gierke bvg at mac.com wrote:

>   On 26 Aug 2009, at 22:45, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
>
> > <snipped out a novel here>
>
> maybe sending this to the runrev guys/gals via bugzilla err....  
> quality center would be more advantageous in regards to getting the  
> crashes fixed?

This is intended.

As there are presumeably quite a number of factors involved that 
contribute to crashes and irregularities in image and graphics use,  
"fixing" the causes may not be an easy and quick task. I have the 
impression that a general overhaul of this part of Rev would be needed.

> On the other hand, sending such posts to the use list can be very  
> therapeutic, as i can attest from my own experiences ;)


You are right here. After such a long time of fishing in the dark, I was 
really pleased and relieved to have at least found one instance, where I 
could safely reproduce a crash and list the involved Rev elements.

> To bad that you can't even attend edinburgh via the web :(
>
> Bj?rnke

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From david at architex.tv  Thu Aug 27 06:51:33 2009
From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:51:33 +0100
Subject: How to reliably crash Rev 3.5 and 4.0-dp3 with four script lines
In-Reply-To: <4A959F03.6070909@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4A959F03.6070909@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908270351l63b54ab4ha9ce47235d0383d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for taking the time to post this Wilhelm - a wealth of useful
information there that would have taken ages to drill down through bugzilla
reports.

2009/8/26 Wilhelm Sanke <sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de>

> Actually you can choose between two four-liners, depending on the specific
> conditions.
>
> First, a few remarks about the context and the circumstances in which such
> crashes occur:
>
>


From lists at futilism.com  Thu Aug 27 07:21:27 2009
From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:21:27 +0100
Subject: Performance of RevMedia on matrix diagonalization
In-Reply-To: <ae3be960908270016w6104873aya6547307a5da74b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae3be960908270016w6104873aya6547307a5da74b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <947B9530-FB07-4ABF-8B10-A6BEA183F005@futilism.com>

I saw this over on the forum (the diagonalisation takes about twenty  
seconds on my MacBookPro with rev enterprise), and two things occur  
to me.

'Arrays' in revolution are actually hash tables, so are very nice for  
random access to elements, but will not be as efficient for  
sequential access as more traditional, fixed width arrays in other  
languages.
I suspect that this is the main speed issue with your eigen function.

Secondly, I understand that all numbers in revolution (which is an un- 
typed language) are floats - though there may be conversions to and  
from integers going on in the engine. I doubt that this will have any  
effect on the speed of your functions, but it's probably unneccessary  
to write '1.0' or '1.' - simply '1' will do, I think.

I think that using the a[i][j] approach instead of a[i,j] might get  
you maybe 10% more speed, but then you'd have to convert to a[i,j]  
anyway in order to use the built in matrixmultiply and transpose  
functions (this should be updated, I'd have thought).

My maths is nowhere near good enough to suggest mathematical  
optimisations (which you might not want for educational purposes,  
anyway) and I can't see any obvious optimisations to make in the code  
you've written.

Hopefully, someone here will be able to be more helpful, but this may  
be one of those things that revolution simply isn't best suited for :(

Best,

Mark Smith


On 27 Aug 2009, at 08:16, Piero Ugliengo wrote:

> I am completely new to Revolution. I have downloaded the RevMedia  
> alpha
> version and played a bit with it. I was impressed by how fast I was  
> able to
> port a little VB6 code to RevMedia. This code diagonalizes a symmetric
> matrix using the Jacobi algorithm. I checked against the VB6 code  
> and I got
> exactly the same results in the same number of iterations so that  
> numerics
> is the same. However the RevMedia code is at least one order of  
> magnitude
> slower than the VB6 one. For instance a 50x50 matrix is  
> diagonalized in a
> couple of seconds in VB6 and it tooks more than a minute on  
> RevMedia. I know
> that RevMedia is not meant for numerical intensive calculations;  
> however, I
> would like to use it in a scientific teaching context so some power is
> needed. I wonder if anybody much expert than me can try the code  
> using the
> most powerful Revolution Studio and if there is a clever way to  
> deal with
> matrix algebra.
> The link to download the rev script is here:
> http://sites.google.com/site/pierougliengo/download-1/test.rev? 
> attredirects=0
>
> <http://sites.google.com/site/pierougliengo/download-1/test.rev? 
> attredirects=0>One
> can set the size of the matrix in the onmouse routine.
> Thanks a lot
> _________________
> Piero Ugliengo
>
> -- 
> Prof. Piero Ugliengo
> University of Torino
> Dip. Chimica IFM,  Via P. Giuria, 7 I-10125 Torino
> ITALY
> Phone: +39-011-670.4596
> FAX:   +39-011-236.4596
> E-mail:  piero.ugliengo at unito.it
> Home page:
> http://web086.unito.it/cgi-bin/chimifm/persone.pl/Show? 
> _id=ugliengo&sort=DEFAULT&search=&hits=70
> MOLDRAW: http://www.moldraw.unito.it
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> use-revolution mailing list
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> subscription preferences:
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From mcdomi at free.fr  Thu Aug 27 08:08:56 2009
From: mcdomi at free.fr (Dom)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:08:56 +0200
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <C2470E65-3224-4673-A9D6-2837D35B41EC@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <1j541jw.181106v1s1jvctM%mcdomi@free.fr>

George C Brackett <gbrackett at luceatlux.com> wrote:

> Correct.  But the URL I provided gives you a complete installation,  
> including PPC ROM.  You just install the package, run the app, and  
> voila: OS 9 boots into a  window.

as another people said to you, maybe there is a copyright trouble ;-)

nonetheless, a number of people said that SheepShaver runs OK on their
Intel machine...

I never succeeded in making it to run on my iMac G5 (10.5.7) ;-<
however I have several ROM files, none ot them is recognized!

Mac OS ROM Update 1.0.smi
macosrom 2001-07 (921)
macosrom 1999-04 (86)
macosrom 2003-04
macosrom 1999-05 (update)

(I renamed these files, in order to differentiate them)

 




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Aug 27 08:18:24 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:18:24 -0400
Subject: Datagrid SelectionChanged issues
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0908261325t53c995c8g49a97bde8ae54772@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0908261325t53c995c8g49a97bde8ae54772@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C5DAE332-C7ED-47E4-B0D7-C65DC2924FD9@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 26, 2009, at 4:25 PM, David Bovill wrote:

>> From the docs
>
> on selectionChanged pHilitedIndex, pPrevHilitedIndex
>>    put the dgDataOfIndex [ pHilitedIndex ] of me into theSelDataA
>>    uiViewRecordOfID theSelDataA["id"]
>> end selectionChanged
>
> ..
> And I am having problems with old / new values when setting the  
> dgHilite of
> the dgControl from a card script, where pHilitedIndex is empty and  
> "the
> dgHilitedLine of the dgControl" is the pPrevHilitedIndex. Ho can I get
> the value
> for pHilitedIndex given a change of the selection initiated by  
> "setting the
> dgHilite"?

dgHilite isn't a data grid property. It is a property of a row control.

Template Custom Properties & Messages:
<http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3462-Template-Custom-Properties-Messages 
 >

If you are trying to change the selection you should be setting the  
dgHilitedIndex or dgHilitedLine of the data grid.

Regards,

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems


From wjm at wjm.org  Thu Aug 27 09:04:54 2009
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:04:54 +0100
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <49CA2471-A5F1-4D8F-BF1D-5D2A184AF6BA@twft.com>
References: <ca3.5972cf39.37c6f698@aol.com><e5e009d70908261343q68a18e12neca2d411ddecceb6@mail.gmail.com><4A959FF9.1010905@gmail.com>
	<h74a6t$6vh$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<49CA2471-A5F1-4D8F-BF1D-5D2A184AF6BA@twft.com>
Message-ID: <h7609v$ekf$1@ger.gmane.org>

I wouldn't try to run Win98 on bare-metal new hardware, as there are likely 
to be new devices (including motherboard/chipset drivers) which Win98 
doesn't know about. But within Virtual PC 2007 and at least VMWare it runs 
perfectly. I haven't tried to run it under Parallels. Also, be sure you are 
trying to install a "pure" Win98, not an OEM-branded distribution, as those 
are often highly customized for the particular hardware they are provided 
with.

Specific cases of trouble aside, it *does* work generally, and it's really 
great to have the ability to have multiple machines-within-machines running 
at near 100% performance with support for virtualization in modern CPUs. The 
inability to run Mac OS within a virtualized environment is a huge 
disadvantage for developers.


"Bob Sneidar" <bobs at twft.com> wrote in message 
news:49CA2471-A5F1-4D8F-BF1D-5D2A184AF6BA at twft.com...
> Really? Maybe it's better now, but when I tried to install it in 
> parallels I could not get it to work in spite of all the help and docs 
> that described how you could. Further, we had to abandon an old air 
> conditioning control system because it ran as a DOS Shell and we  couldn't 
> install 98 on any new laptops or towers from Dell.
>
> Bob Sneidar
> IT Manager
> Calvary Chapel CM
> Sent from iPhone
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 14:41, William Marriott 
> <wjm at wjm.org> wrote:
>
>> Which unlike Mac OS, you can still run on even the latest hardware  and 
>> software (Core i7, Windows 7 64-bit) in a wholly supported, high- 
>> performance way via Virtual PC 2007 (and several other VM products).
>>
>>
>> Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>> Reminds me of Windows 98; which, if you are a Windows fan, was a  fairly
>>> high point.
>>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Aug 27 09:30:23 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:30:23 +0200
Subject: Order of operators
Message-ID: <35448EA2-9416-460A-B436-9B1A6B4E7A92@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

I need to calculate

1*2+3-4/5^6

as

((((1*2)+3)-4)/5)^6

rather than

(1*2)+3-(4/(5^6))

without using brackets. This should increase speed performance. Any  
ideas?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com



From piero.ugliengo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 09:45:16 2009
From: piero.ugliengo at gmail.com (Piero Ugliengo)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:45:16 +0200
Subject: Performance of RevMedia on matrix diagonalization
In-Reply-To: <947B9530-FB07-4ABF-8B10-A6BEA183F005@futilism.com>
References: <ae3be960908270016w6104873aya6547307a5da74b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<947B9530-FB07-4ABF-8B10-A6BEA183F005@futilism.com>
Message-ID: <ae3be960908270645i33914d72t6ddb45ba427da5b9@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Mark, thanks a lot for the advise. Things like 1.0 istead of 1 were
just my ignorance of the language.On the other hand I thought that the
syntax a[i][j] instead of the more readable a[i,j] was imposed by the
language.
Cheers
Piero

2009/8/27 Mark Smith <lists at futilism.com>

> I saw this over on the forum (the diagonalisation takes about twenty
> seconds on my MacBookPro with rev enterprise), and two things occur to me.
>
> 'Arrays' in revolution are actually hash tables, so are very nice for
> random access to elements, but will not be as efficient for sequential
> access as more traditional, fixed width arrays in other languages.
> I suspect that this is the main speed issue with your eigen function.
>
> Secondly, I understand that all numbers in revolution (which is an un-typed
> language) are floats - though there may be conversions to and from integers
> going on in the engine. I doubt that this will have any effect on the speed
> of your functions, but it's probably unneccessary to write '1.0' or '1.' -
> simply '1' will do, I think.
>
> I think that using the a[i][j] approach instead of a[i,j] might get you
> maybe 10% more speed, but then you'd have to convert to a[i,j] anyway in
> order to use the built in matrixmultiply and transpose functions (this
> should be updated, I'd have thought).
>
> My maths is nowhere near good enough to suggest mathematical optimisations
> (which you might not want for educational purposes, anyway) and I can't see
> any obvious optimisations to make in the code you've written.
>
> Hopefully, someone here will be able to be more helpful, but this may be
> one of those things that revolution simply isn't best suited for :(
>
> Best,
>
> Mark Smith
>
>
>
> On 27 Aug 2009, at 08:16, Piero Ugliengo wrote:
>
>  I am completely new to Revolution. I have downloaded the RevMedia alpha
>> version and played a bit with it. I was impressed by how fast I was able
>> to
>> port a little VB6 code to RevMedia. This code diagonalizes a symmetric
>> matrix using the Jacobi algorithm. I checked against the VB6 code and I
>> got
>> exactly the same results in the same number of iterations so that numerics
>> is the same. However the RevMedia code is at least one order of magnitude
>> slower than the VB6 one. For instance a 50x50 matrix is diagonalized in a
>> couple of seconds in VB6 and it tooks more than a minute on RevMedia. I
>> know
>> that RevMedia is not meant for numerical intensive calculations; however,
>> I
>> would like to use it in a scientific teaching context so some power is
>> needed. I wonder if anybody much expert than me can try the code using the
>> most powerful Revolution Studio and if there is a clever way to deal with
>> matrix algebra.
>> The link to download the rev script is here:
>> http://sites.google.com/site/pierougliengo/download-1/test.rev
>> ?attredirects=0
>>
>> <http://sites.google.com/site/pierougliengo/download-1/test.rev
>> ?attredirects=0>One
>> can set the size of the matrix in the onmouse routine.
>> Thanks a lot
>> _________________
>> Piero Ugliengo
>>
>> --
>> Prof. Piero Ugliengo
>> University of Torino
>> Dip. Chimica IFM,  Via P. Giuria, 7 I-10125 Torino
>> ITALY
>> Phone: +39-011-670.4596
>> FAX:   +39-011-236.4596
>> E-mail:  piero.ugliengo at unito.it
>> Home page:
>> http://web086.unito.it/cgi-bin/chimifm/persone.pl/Show
>> ?_id=ugliengo&sort=DEFAULT&search=&hits=70
>> MOLDRAW: http://www.moldraw.unito.it
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University of Torino
Dip. Chimica IFM,  Via P. Giuria, 7 I-10125 Torino
ITALY
Phone: +39-011-670.4596
FAX:   +39-011-236.4596
E-mail:  piero.ugliengo at unito.it
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MOLDRAW: http://www.moldraw.unito.it


From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu Aug 27 09:55:21 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:55:21 -1000
Subject: Order of operators
In-Reply-To: <35448EA2-9416-460A-B436-9B1A6B4E7A92@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <35448EA2-9416-460A-B436-9B1A6B4E7A92@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <002001ca271e$05535550$0ff9fff0$@com>

Mark Schonewille wrote:

 
> I need to calculate
> 
> 1*2+3-4/5^6
> 
> as
> 
> ((((1*2)+3)-4)/5)^6
> 
> rather than
> 
> (1*2)+3-(4/(5^6))
> 
> without using brackets. This should increase speed performance. Any
> ideas?

Not sure about no brackets without multiple puts into vars (which should add
time), but for less brackets:

put ((1*2+3-4)/5)^6

Answer is the same due to brackets, precedence of operators (* before +) and
left to right calculation (+ before -). 

But, I'm curious. How much time do brackets add? It's something I never
thought of.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Aug 27 10:18:24 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:18:24 +0200
Subject: Order of operators
In-Reply-To: <002001ca271e$05535550$0ff9fff0$@com>
References: <35448EA2-9416-460A-B436-9B1A6B4E7A92@economy-x-talk.com>
	<002001ca271e$05535550$0ff9fff0$@com>
Message-ID: <96B2F3FA-6B89-4789-8365-6281FF15EF1D@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jim,

This is about a calculation with potentially hundreds of parameters. I  
don't think that parsing the formula to reduce the number of brackets  
will be fast enough to make the exercise worthwhile.

I'm building up the formula in a repeat loop, one operator at a time:

1
1*2
1*2+3
etc.

I can leave brackets out when a + or - is added, but I wish I could  
leave them all out. I assume a calculation without brackets is faster,  
because the symbols between brackets are parsed first.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 27 aug 2009, at 15:55, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Not sure about no brackets without multiple puts into vars (which  
> should add
> time), but for less brackets:
>
> put ((1*2+3-4)/5)^6
>
> Answer is the same due to brackets, precedence of operators (*  
> before +) and
> left to right calculation (+ before -).
>
> But, I'm curious. How much time do brackets add? It's something I  
> never
> thought of.
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 10:26:48 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:26:48 +0100
Subject: Datagrid SelectionChanged issues
In-Reply-To: <C5DAE332-C7ED-47E4-B0D7-C65DC2924FD9@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <c1c5836b0908261325t53c995c8g49a97bde8ae54772@mail.gmail.com>
	<C5DAE332-C7ED-47E4-B0D7-C65DC2924FD9@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908270726i2720cb77q72a26a2d86c59b6a@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/27 Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>

>
> dgHilite isn't a data grid property. It is a property of a row control.
>
> Template Custom Properties & Messages:
> <
> http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution/manuals/datagrid/lessons/3462-Template-Custom-Properties-Messages
> >
>
> If you are trying to change the selection you should be setting the
> dgHilitedIndex or dgHilitedLine of the data grid.


Sorry a typo - the card script does set the dghilitedLine:

   dispatch "FindLine" to dgView with "title", viewName
>    put the result into vLineNum
>    set the dgHilitedLine of dgView to vLineNum


What i am finding is that when I issue this from the card script a
"selectionChanged message is sent - but with an empty pHilitedIndex.
Therefore this script:

on selectionChanged pHilitedIndex, pPrevHilitedIndex
>    if pHilitedIndex is empty then
>       answer "Selection changed using dgHilitedLine!"
>
>       put the dgHilitedLine of grp "View Grid" into vLineNum
>       answer (vLineNum && "is the old dgHilitedLine. How do i get the new
> one?")
>    else
>       answer "Selection changed by clicking on a dgDataControl!"
>
>       put the dgHilitedLine of grp "View Grid" into vLineNum
>       answer ("Great" && vLineNum && "is the new dgHilitedLine.")
>    end if
>
>    if pPrevHilitedIndex is empty then
>       answer "pPrevHilitedIndex is empty!"
>    else
>       put pPrevHilitedIndex
>    end if
> end selectionChanged


Shows that when using  "set the dgHilitedLine" both params to
"selectionChanged" are empty, and "the dgHilitedLine" is set inconsistently?


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Aug 27 10:33:10 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:33:10 -0600
Subject: Can't hide field border
In-Reply-To: <642A672E-61DF-49B2-8906-54F7BA51D628@mac.com>
References: <995A8388-0384-4AAD-931A-AE447B532CE7@mac.com>
	<4A957AB2.4090703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<642A672E-61DF-49B2-8906-54F7BA51D628@mac.com>
Message-ID: <284D2C60-8FC6-4A14-BED5-6A2BF00796E7@byu.edu>


On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:52 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> It is true but it doesn't matter if it is true or false. I still see  
> it.
>
> Bill Vlahos
>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:10 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> Bill Vlahos wrote:
>>> I have a stack that has field that appears to have a border that I
>>> can't get rid of. It isn't the actual border (I've turned
>>> showBorder on and off and the appearance changes but doesn't get
>>> rid of what looks like a border.
>>> I've dragged a new field onto the card and I can hide the border as
>>> expected. I've compared the Properties of both fields and I don't
>>> see anything different.
>>> There must be some setting that is different but I can't tell what
>>> it is. Any ideas on what to look for?
>>
>> See if the showFocusBorder property is true.

Is it possible that the shadow property is true? That's a property  
with no GUI way to change it.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bvg at mac.com  Thu Aug 27 10:42:19 2009
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:42:19 +0200
Subject: Edinburgh sweets
Message-ID: <84C3B272-5E98-48BB-BCA0-0C8EED25F17A@mac.com>

Hi

To people who have tasted some of the Swiss sweets last year in Vegas,  
and are also coming to Edinburgh next week:

If there is a special need for a specific kind of tasty goodness, i  
can take _small_ amounts of orders for your favourite ones.

Please contact me off list!

Bjoernke


From jim at visitrieve.com  Thu Aug 27 11:05:45 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 05:05:45 -1000
Subject: Order of operators
In-Reply-To: <96B2F3FA-6B89-4789-8365-6281FF15EF1D@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <35448EA2-9416-460A-B436-9B1A6B4E7A92@economy-x-talk.com>	<002001ca271e$05535550$0ff9fff0$@com>
	<96B2F3FA-6B89-4789-8365-6281FF15EF1D@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <003001ca2727$daeddd30$90c99790$@com>

Hey Mark,

Your question peaked my curiosity because I use brackets for everything
(never hundreds of pairs) ;-) and why I threw out an answer. Anyway, I just
ran 10,000 iterations of the following three calculations. The first two
arrive at the same answer and the third one doesn't, of course, but has no
brackets.

((((1*2)+3)-4)/5)^6
((1*2+3-4)/5)^6
1*2+3-4/5^6

I could find no significant millisecond difference between the three. Each
of the 10,000 iterations could vary by 1 to 2 milliseconds, but I suspect
this has to do with other things happening on the machine, as they ran at
the same speed when run immediately after each other.

I'd be curious what you find with your hundreds of params. 

Have fun!

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schonewille
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:18 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Order of operators
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
> This is about a calculation with potentially hundreds of parameters. I
> don't think that parsing the formula to reduce the number of brackets
> will be fast enough to make the exercise worthwhile.
> 
> I'm building up the formula in a repeat loop, one operator at a time:
> 
> 1
> 1*2
> 1*2+3
> etc.
> 
> I can leave brackets out when a + or - is added, but I wish I could
> leave them all out. I assume a calculation without brackets is faster,
> because the symbols between brackets are parsed first.
> 
> --
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Schonewille
> 
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> 
> Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
> 
> On 27 aug 2009, at 15:55, Jim Bufalini wrote:
> 
> > Not sure about no brackets without multiple puts into vars (which
> > should add
> > time), but for less brackets:
> >
> > put ((1*2+3-4)/5)^6
> >
> > Answer is the same due to brackets, precedence of operators (*
> > before +) and
> > left to right calculation (+ before -).
> >
> > But, I'm curious. How much time do brackets add? It's something I
> > never
> > thought of.
> >
> > Aloha from Hawaii,
> >
> > Jim Bufalini
> 
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Aug 27 11:22:27 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:22:27 -0400
Subject: Datagrid SelectionChanged issues
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0908270726i2720cb77q72a26a2d86c59b6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0908261325t53c995c8g49a97bde8ae54772@mail.gmail.com>
	<C5DAE332-C7ED-47E4-B0D7-C65DC2924FD9@mangomultimedia.com>
	<c1c5836b0908270726i2720cb77q72a26a2d86c59b6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7FE86716-4604-432D-85BF-8463B046F83B@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:26 AM, David Bovill wrote:

>   dispatch "FindLine" to dgView with "title", viewName
>>
>>
>   put the result into vLineNum
>   set the dgHilitedLine of dgView to vLineNum

> What i am finding is that when I issue this from the card script a
> "selectionChanged message is sent - but with an empty pHilitedIndex.
> Therefore this script:
>
> on selectionChanged pHilitedIndex, pPrevHilitedIndex
>>
>    ...
> end selectionChanged
>
> Shows that when using  "set the dgHilitedLine" both params to
> "selectionChanged" are empty, and "the dgHilitedLine" is set  
> inconsistently?

David,

Setting the dgHilitedLine doesn't send selectionChanged (behavior  
mimics that of list fields). I just pasted your selectionChanged  
handler into a new data grid and tested your FindLine code to confirm.  
Did you override dgHilitedLine or are you firing off a  
selectionChanged message from somewhere else in your code?

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Thu Aug 27 11:34:41 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:34:41 -0400
Subject: Web Disk Account at On-Rev
Message-ID: <A27FA7B8-3548-4D30-BAE7-7B138364BD1E@videotron.ca>

Probably a silly question but does a web disk account permit access to  
my computer?  Is it a security risk?

	Gregory


From andre at andregarzia.com  Thu Aug 27 11:35:38 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:35:38 +0100
Subject: Edinburgh sweets
In-Reply-To: <84C3B272-5E98-48BB-BCA0-0C8EED25F17A@mac.com>
References: <84C3B272-5E98-48BB-BCA0-0C8EED25F17A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908270835y48616a71yabe4ff88ae9b4548@mail.gmail.com>

Hey BvG,

Looking forward to see you here! I remember those ovaltine bars very fondly!
lol! :D

Cheers
andre

2009/8/27 Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com>

> Hi
>
> To people who have tasted some of the Swiss sweets last year in Vegas, and
> are also coming to Edinburgh next week:
>
> If there is a special need for a specific kind of tasty goodness, i can
> take _small_ amounts of orders for your favourite ones.
>
> Please contact me off list!
>
> Bjoernke
> _______________________________________________
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Aug 27 11:58:53 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 08:58:53 -0700
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7357D194-5CFA-4EFB-86F0-957EAA64C690@twft.com>

We use G5's for various tasks, like audio post production, graphics  
and publications, and most interestingly I think, our internet gateway  
is software produced by a company called Vicomsoft. The gateway is  
called Intergate, and features a number of modules that do content  
filtering, bandwidth monitoring, and a dam good reporting engine that  
does not use set reports, but drill down queries, so you can figure  
out exactly what you wanted without having to deduce it from canned  
reports and such.

I am unsure what you mean by "depending on". If you mean, "Cannot do  
without", I am unsure there is such an application. That would mean  
software that ran ONLY on PPC and NOT on Intel. Is that what you are  
asking?

Bob


On Aug 26, 2009, at 3:51 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> With the advent of Mac OS 10.6; an Intel processor only OS I am  
> interested to see who is
> still depending on Mac PPC computers (G3,G4,G5) to get their work  
> done.
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From bobs at twft.com  Thu Aug 27 12:05:30 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:05:30 -0700
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <EBBE2A2D-BCCE-4D42-9527-FAE2375E7359@luceatlux.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70908260416s43d2d505y3856dc493c73347d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908261000100.2689@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<EBBE2A2D-BCCE-4D42-9527-FAE2375E7359@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <F63B9B10-49A7-44D1-B7CA-1868B1317863@twft.com>

Hi George.

I tried Sheepshaver too, but the problem I had was with the  
networking. Seems they do some kind of bridge, which interferes with  
mounting shares properly, so it was useless to me as I needed to get  
into my old Foxpro 2.6 development environment back when I was  
thinking about porting SBT to Revolution. Seems a silly idea now, as  
the project would realistically have taken 5 guys working full time  
about 3 to 6 months to finish.

Bob


On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:21 PM, George C Brackett wrote:

> I'm quite different from all you folks in the way of hardware, it  
> seems: just one 3 year-old MacBook Pro Intel Duo.  But I recently  
> discovered a way to run OS 9 on my 'book, and thereby recovered the  
> ability to run a bunch of my older educational software.  What a  
> pleasure to see 'em again!  For the software that has made my day,  
> see http://hotfilms.org/non-windows/sheepshaver-mac-os-9-classic-intel-13879.html 
> .
>
> George



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Aug 27 12:17:43 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:17:43 -0700
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <h7609v$ekf$1@ger.gmane.org>
References: <ca3.5972cf39.37c6f698@aol.com><e5e009d70908261343q68a18e12neca2d411ddecceb6@mail.gmail.com><4A959FF9.1010905@gmail.com>
	<h74a6t$6vh$1@ger.gmane.org>
	<49CA2471-A5F1-4D8F-BF1D-5D2A184AF6BA@twft.com>
	<h7609v$ekf$1@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <2F6953B9-9645-4F2C-ABF0-04F4FAA56250@twft.com>

Look no further. Parallels 4 can run Snow Leopard Server, and version  
5 is supposed to be able to run Snow Leopard.

Bob


On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Bill Marriott wrote:

> Specific cases of trouble aside, it *does* work generally, and it's  
> really great to have the ability to have multiple machines-within- 
> machines running at near 100% performance with support for  
> virtualization in modern CPUs. The inability to run Mac OS within a  
> virtualized environment is a huge disadvantage for developers.



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Aug 27 12:22:38 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:22:38 -0700
Subject: Rev compatibility for Windows 7 and Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <4A94ED57.4020100@gmail.com>
References: <14AC92EA-1C00-4AA9-A619-2C463BBE3105@mac.com>
	<4A94ED57.4020100@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04D7B48C-EC3F-422E-A3F3-6E2EA547BBA7@twft.com>

Well... aren't they?

Bob


On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:07 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Wow . . . I really feel an urge to use 'derivative upgrade' as my  
> phrase of the week;
> the only thing that prevents me is the fear that my 2 sons will  
> start claiming that they
> are derivative upgrades of me . . .   :)



From bobs at twft.com  Thu Aug 27 12:30:26 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:30:26 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <C3E313EA-6302-44AD-8CF4-087FCC3AA2B0@me.com>
References: <C3E313EA-6302-44AD-8CF4-087FCC3AA2B0@me.com>
Message-ID: <AFAEA4F0-2FB0-4560-A512-ABB5B77B2533@twft.com>

Jerry, your a freakin' genius man! Heading to the Rev store right now  
to give you yet more money. Makes me excited about programming again.

Bob


On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Here's the link to the video showing how tRev's decoder works to  
> help you debug your code.
>
>    http://reveditor.com/de-construct-your-code-with-trevs-decoder-0
>
> This video talks about tRev and the new feature called 'decoder',  
> but also has a fairly in-depth discussion of modal debuggers and why  
> they have had difficulty in Revolution.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Thu Aug 27 12:39:16 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:39:16 -0400
Subject: [OT] Who still uses a Mac PPC?
In-Reply-To: <F63B9B10-49A7-44D1-B7CA-1868B1317863@twft.com>
References: <4A95139E.6000900@gmail.com>
	<e5e009d70908260416s43d2d505y3856dc493c73347d@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0908261000100.2689@ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<EBBE2A2D-BCCE-4D42-9527-FAE2375E7359@luceatlux.com>
	<F63B9B10-49A7-44D1-B7CA-1868B1317863@twft.com>
Message-ID: <2822DF69-8492-42D6-8274-C9EA796A818B@luceatlux.com>

I guess sometimes a barrier is a blessing, no?  My older software knew  
not of networks, thank goodness.

George

On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

Hi George.

I tried Sheepshaver too, but the problem I had was with the  
networking. Seems they do some kind of bridge, which interferes with  
mounting shares properly, so it was useless to me as I needed to get  
into my old Foxpro 2.6 development environment back when I was  
thinking about porting SBT to Revolution. Seems a silly idea now, as  
the project would realistically have taken 5 guys working full time  
about 3 to 6 months to finish.

Bob


On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:21 PM, George C Brackett wrote:

> I'm quite different from all you folks in the way of hardware, it  
> seems: just one 3 year-old MacBook Pro Intel Duo.  But I recently  
> discovered a way to run OS 9 on my 'book, and thereby recovered the  
> ability to run a bunch of my older educational software.  What a  
> pleasure to see 'em again!  For the software that has made my day,  
> see http://hotfilms.org/non-windows/sheepshaver-mac-os-9-classic-intel-13879.html 
> .
>
> George

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From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 27 12:43:35 2009
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:43:35 -0500
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <84C3B272-5E98-48BB-BCA0-0C8EED25F17A@mac.com>
References: <84C3B272-5E98-48BB-BCA0-0C8EED25F17A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9A9BEF0D-E04A-4961-AE1E-35EADFB6F1A3@earthlink.net>

I've got Snow Leopard on order for delivery tomorrow.  Is there any  
word on Rev's compatiblity with Snow Leopard? Any known problems with  
either Rev itself or with On-Rev?   TIA.

And the waiting begins.... :-)





From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Thu Aug 27 12:57:03 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:57:03 -0400
Subject: Safe Place to Put Files at On-Rev
Message-ID: <EBA0AC5C-6BE8-4ECF-A447-161915A3084F@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

Starting to tinker with my On-Rev account, and I'm hoping someone can  
tell me where I should place data files so that they are not public  
but they can be read and written to in the processing of forms and  
accessed by Rev scripts.

Regards,

	Gregory


From bobs at twft.com  Thu Aug 27 13:06:06 2009
From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:06:06 -0700
Subject: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <C3E313EA-6302-44AD-8CF4-087FCC3AA2B0@me.com>
References: <C3E313EA-6302-44AD-8CF4-087FCC3AA2B0@me.com>
Message-ID: <FC78AE8D-92E1-4257-BA09-4EF0D977278A@twft.com>

Hi Jerry.

I'm curious if GLX2 will run in conjunction with tRev? There are times  
that stepping through my code is preferable, because I need to see how  
I GOT to my breakpoint in the first place. I have had times when I had  
called a function twice from different places without even realizing it.

Bob


On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Here's the link to the video showing how tRev's decoder works to  
> help you debug your code.
>
>    http://reveditor.com/de-construct-your-code-with-trevs-decoder-0
>
> This video talks about tRev and the new feature called 'decoder',  
> but also has a fairly in-depth discussion of modal debuggers and why  
> they have had difficulty in Revolution.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Aug 27 13:24:32 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:24:32 -0600
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <9A9BEF0D-E04A-4961-AE1E-35EADFB6F1A3@earthlink.net>
References: <84C3B272-5E98-48BB-BCA0-0C8EED25F17A@mac.com>
	<9A9BEF0D-E04A-4961-AE1E-35EADFB6F1A3@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <F7C25CA3-28F2-4C65-B6FC-2C73E00744EF@byu.edu>


On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> I've got Snow Leopard on order for delivery tomorrow.  Is there any
> word on Rev's compatiblity with Snow Leopard? Any known problems with
> either Rev itself or with On-Rev?   TIA.


I've not seen any on limited, informal testing on a developer preview  
of Snow Leopard.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Thu Aug 27 13:46:10 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:46:10 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev's new 'decoder' now showing...video is up!
In-Reply-To: <FC78AE8D-92E1-4257-BA09-4EF0D977278A@twft.com>
References: <C3E313EA-6302-44AD-8CF4-087FCC3AA2B0@me.com>
	<FC78AE8D-92E1-4257-BA09-4EF0D977278A@twft.com>
Message-ID: <53E705B2-84BF-4F32-884D-96F6B0D0BFEA@me.com>

Bob,

Thank you for your kind words, and, of course, your hard-earned cash!

GLX2 and tRev _can_ run together, but I don't recommend it. The whole  
idea of tRev is to get out of the IDE as much as possible. GLX2 is in  
the IDE deep.

After using tRev's decoder, you may want to re-think getting locked up  
in a modal debugger again...and by that I am referring to GLX2 and  
Revolution's script editor and their tendency to lock up in certain  
debugging and error situations.

In GLX2 we have been able to avoid a lot of freezes and lock-ups, but  
we will never (under the current version of Rev) be able to totally  
avoid them. tRev is very care-free in this regard. It leaves Rev IDE  
alone and Rev IDE just keeps running. You actually get stuff done.

tRev is going places. You haven't even seen Raptor yet. Coming out  
tomorrow.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev's Decoder in action:
http://reveditor.com/de-construct-your-code-with-trevs-decoder-0

On Aug 27, 2009, at 12:06 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Hi Jerry.
>
> I'm curious if GLX2 will run in conjunction with tRev? There are  
> times that stepping through my code is preferable, because I need to  
> see how I GOT to my breakpoint in the first place. I have had times  
> when I had called a function twice from different places without  
> even realizing it.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
>
>> Here's the link to the video showing how tRev's decoder works to  
>> help you debug your code.
>>
>>   http://reveditor.com/de-construct-your-code-with-trevs-decoder-0
>>
>> This video talks about tRev and the new feature called 'decoder',  
>> but also has a fairly in-depth discussion of modal debuggers and  
>> why they have had difficulty in Revolution.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>> Watch tRev - The Movie
>> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Aug 27 13:56:22 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:56:22 -0700
Subject: on-rev nomenclature
Message-ID: <4A96C8C6.8030208@fourthworld.com>

The new server engine driving on-rev.com accounts lets us use "put" 
statements without specifying a container yet without returning the 
result until the script is finished.  This is useful, simpler than 
coding CGIs using the older method of putting into a variable since any 
unassigned put pushed the data back to the client in the old CGI.

Old school:

on startup
  put GetInfoStuff() into tMyVar
  put OtherStuff() after tMyVar
  put HeaderInfo() & tMyVar -- outputs to client
end startup

New on-rev way:

on startup
   put GetInfoStuff() -- buffers internally
   put OtherStuff() -- more internal buffer
end startup -- finally goes out


So what does RR call this?  "Open puts"?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Aug 27 14:03:55 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:03:55 -0500
Subject: on-rev nomenclature
In-Reply-To: <4A96C8C6.8030208@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A96C8C6.8030208@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4A96CA8B.7060106@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> The new server engine driving on-rev.com accounts lets us use "put" 
> statements without specifying a container yet without returning the 
> result until the script is finished.  This is useful, simpler than 
> coding CGIs using the older method of putting into a variable since any 
> unassigned put pushed the data back to the client in the old CGI.
> 
> Old school:
> 
> on startup
>  put GetInfoStuff() into tMyVar
>  put OtherStuff() after tMyVar
>  put HeaderInfo() & tMyVar -- outputs to client
> end startup
> 
> New on-rev way:
> 
> on startup
>   put GetInfoStuff() -- buffers internally
>   put OtherStuff() -- more internal buffer
> end startup -- finally goes out
> 
> 
> So what does RR call this?  "Open puts"?
> 

You don't need the "on startup", you can drop lines of code in "loose". 
If you do that, the "put" outputs immediately on execution:

<?rev
put GetInfoStuff() -- sent out immediately
put OtherStuff() -- sent out next
?>

If you do enclose statements inside handler calls, then I think they do 
buffer until the handler ends (but I haven't tested enough.)

And I don't know what you call those. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 27 15:00:27 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:00:27 -0700
Subject: on-rev nomenclature
In-Reply-To: <4A96CA8B.7060106@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4A96C8C6.8030208@fourthworld.com>
	<4A96CA8B.7060106@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <83E87E64-2550-4667-987F-C22F52722A24@yahoo.com>

So what would be a good way to express this via on-rev?

in PHP scripting
     ECHO    or   PRINT    do the immediate send of a string to a  
browser when that line is executed...
unless you turn on Output Buffering
     ob_start()    -- Turn on output buffering

then later
      $stringToSend = ob_get_flush()
      -- Flush the output buffer, return it as a string and turn off  
output buffering

or, at the end of the script execution,
  the output buffer will automatically be sent to the browser .

The Output Control functions allow you to control when output is sent  
from the script. This can be useful in several different situations,  
especially if you need to send headers to the browser after your  
script has began outputting data. The Output Control functions only  
affect functions such as echo() and data between blocks of PHP code,  
and do not affect headers sent using header() or setcookie().
ob_start()     This function will turn output buffering on. While  
output buffering is active no output is sent from the script (other  
than headers), instead the output is stored in an internal buffer.
The contents of this internal buffer may be copied into a string  
variable using ob_get_contents().  To output what is stored in the  
internal buffer, use ob_end_flush(). Alternatively, ob_end_clean()  
will silently discard the buffer contents.



? Output Control Functions
	? flush ? Flush the output buffer
	? ob_clean ? Clean (erase) the output buffer
	? ob_end_clean ? Clean (erase) the output buffer and turn off output  
buffering
	? ob_end_flush ? Flush (send) the output buffer and turn off output  
buffering
	? ob_flush ? Flush (send) the output buffer
	? ob_get_clean ? Get current buffer contents and delete current  
output buffer
	? ob_get_contents ? Return the contents of the output buffer
	? ob_get_flush ? Flush the output buffer, return it as a string and  
turn off output buffering
	? ob_get_length ? Return the length of the output buffer
	? ob_get_level ? Return the nesting level of the output buffering  
mechanism
	? ob_get_status ? Get status of output buffers
	? ob_gzhandler ? ob_start callback function to gzip output buffer
	? ob_implicit_flush ? Turn implicit flush on/off
	? ob_list_handlers ? List all output handlers in use
	? ob_start ? Turn on output buffering
	? output_add_rewrite_var ? Add URL rewriter values
	? output_reset_rewrite_vars ? Reset URL rewriter values




On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:03 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> The new server engine driving on-rev.com accounts lets us use "put"  
>> statements without specifying a container yet without returning the  
>> result until the script is finished.  This is useful, simpler than  
>> coding CGIs using the older method of putting into a variable since  
>> any unassigned put pushed the data back to the client in the old CGI.
>> Old school:
>> on startup
>> put GetInfoStuff() into tMyVar
>> put OtherStuff() after tMyVar
>> put HeaderInfo() & tMyVar -- outputs to client
>> end startup
>> New on-rev way:
>> on startup
>>  put GetInfoStuff() -- buffers internally
>>  put OtherStuff() -- more internal buffer
>> end startup -- finally goes out
>> So what does RR call this?  "Open puts"?
>
> You don't need the "on startup", you can drop lines of code in  
> "loose". If you do that, the "put" outputs immediately on execution:
>
> <?rev
> put GetInfoStuff() -- sent out immediately
> put OtherStuff() -- sent out next
> ?>
>
> If you do enclose statements inside handler calls, then I think they  
> do buffer until the handler ends (but I haven't tested enough.)
>
> And I don't know what you call those. :)
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay


Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Aug 27 15:30:32 2009
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:30:32 +0300
Subject: Performance of RevMedia on matrix diagonalization
In-Reply-To: <ae3be960908270016w6104873aya6547307a5da74b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae3be960908270016w6104873aya6547307a5da74b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A96DED8.4070603@ekoinf.net>

Hi Piero,

declaring local/global variables in functions and handlers should 
slightly add to speed. Populating arrays in advance with zeros so that 
array size won't change inside loops might also be of some value. 
However, please correct me if I am wrong, VB6 is compiled while 
Revolution is interpreted, therefore much slower. Did you try 
implementing same algorithm in other interpreted languages (javascript, 
php, perl, etc?) it would be interesting to do some benchmarking :-)

Using native functions: matrixMultiply(firstArray, secondArray), 
transpose(array) where possible would also increase speed as they are 
really fast.

Best wishes
Viktoras

Piero Ugliengo wrote:
> I am completely new to Revolution. I have downloaded the RevMedia alpha
> version and played a bit with it. I was impressed by how fast I was able to
> port a little VB6 code to RevMedia. This code diagonalizes a symmetric
> matrix using the Jacobi algorithm. I checked against the VB6 code and I got
> exactly the same results in the same number of iterations so that numerics
> is the same. However the RevMedia code is at least one order of magnitude
> slower than the VB6 one. For instance a 50x50 matrix is diagonalized in a
> couple of seconds in VB6 and it tooks more than a minute on RevMedia. I know
> that RevMedia is not meant for numerical intensive calculations; however, I
> would like to use it in a scientific teaching context so some power is
> needed. I wonder if anybody much expert than me can try the code using the
> most powerful Revolution Studio and if there is a clever way to deal with
> matrix algebra.
> The link to download the rev script is here:
> http://sites.google.com/site/pierougliengo/download-1/test.rev?attredirects=0
>
> <http://sites.google.com/site/pierougliengo/download-1/test.rev?attredirects=0>One
> can set the size of the matrix in the onmouse routine.
> Thanks a lot
> _________________
> Piero Ugliengo
>
>   



From briany at qldlearning.com  Thu Aug 27 15:35:03 2009
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:35:03 -0700
Subject: on-rev nomenclature
In-Reply-To: <83E87E64-2550-4667-987F-C22F52722A24@yahoo.com>
References: <4A96C8C6.8030208@fourthworld.com>
	<4A96CA8B.7060106@hyperactivesw.com>
	<83E87E64-2550-4667-987F-C22F52722A24@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <31EB48A0-06AB-42D0-93CB-EC0ED8E8C813@qldlearning.com>

Seems like the xTalk spirit would say something like:

set the isbuffering to true
set the isbuffering to false
put the length of the outputbuffer
replace "me" with "you" in the outputbuffer
send outputbuffer

There would be some interesting possibilities if you could just  
address "the buffer" as a container and even modify it after the fact  
but before sending. Technically you can do the same in PHP (fetch the  
buffer into a variable, modify it, output it) but it's a bit messy in  
that case.

> So what would be a good way to express this via on-rev?
>
> in PHP scripting
>   ECHO    or   PRINT    do the immediate send of a string to a  
> browser when that line is executed...
> unless you turn on Output Buffering
>   ob_start()    -- Turn on output buffering
>
> then later
>    $stringToSend = ob_get_flush()
>    -- Flush the output buffer, return it as a string and turn off  
> output buffering
>
> or, at the end of the script execution,
> the output buffer will automatically be sent to the browser .
>
> The Output Control functions allow you to control when output is  
> sent from the script. This can be useful in several different  
> situations, especially if you need to send headers to the browser  
> after your script has began outputting data. The Output Control  
> functions only affect functions such as echo() and data between  
> blocks of PHP code, and do not affect headers sent using header() or  
> setcookie().
> ob_start()     This function will turn output buffering on. While  
> output buffering is active no output is sent from the script (other  
> than headers), instead the output is stored in an internal buffer.
> The contents of this internal buffer may be copied into a string  
> variable using ob_get_contents().  To output what is stored in the  
> internal buffer, use ob_end_flush(). Alternatively, ob_end_clean()  
> will silently discard the buffer contents.
>
>
>
> ? Output Control Functions
> 	? flush ? Flush the output buffer
> 	? ob_clean ? Clean (erase) the output buffer
> 	? ob_end_clean ? Clean (erase) the output buffer and turn off  
> output buffering
> 	? ob_end_flush ? Flush (send) the output buffer and turn off output  
> buffering
> 	? ob_flush ? Flush (send) the output buffer
> 	? ob_get_clean ? Get current buffer contents and delete current  
> output buffer
> 	? ob_get_contents ? Return the contents of the output buffer
> 	? ob_get_flush ? Flush the output buffer, return it as a string and  
> turn off output buffering
> 	? ob_get_length ? Return the length of the output buffer
> 	? ob_get_level ? Return the nesting level of the output buffering  
> mechanism
> 	? ob_get_status ? Get status of output buffers
> 	? ob_gzhandler ? ob_start callback function to gzip output buffer
> 	? ob_implicit_flush ? Turn implicit flush on/off
> 	? ob_list_handlers ? List all output handlers in use
> 	? ob_start ? Turn on output buffering
> 	? output_add_rewrite_var ? Add URL rewriter values
> 	? output_reset_rewrite_vars ? Reset URL rewriter values


From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu Aug 27 16:31:51 2009
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 13:31:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Database connection fails with MS SQL 2008
Message-ID: <25179419.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,
Anyone know if RunRev 3.5 can successfully connect to MS SQL 2008?
So far I haven't been able to.

Platform: WINXP

Regards,
Mark Stuart
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From david.bovill at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 16:51:31 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:51:31 +0100
Subject: Datagrid SelectionChanged issues
In-Reply-To: <7FE86716-4604-432D-85BF-8463B046F83B@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <c1c5836b0908261325t53c995c8g49a97bde8ae54772@mail.gmail.com>
	<C5DAE332-C7ED-47E4-B0D7-C65DC2924FD9@mangomultimedia.com>
	<c1c5836b0908270726i2720cb77q72a26a2d86c59b6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<7FE86716-4604-432D-85BF-8463B046F83B@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908271351l15b7d9e8l34ef978828a12bd0@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/27 Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>

> On Aug 27, 2009, at 10:26 AM, David Bovill wrote:
>
> Shows that when using  "set the dgHilitedLine" both params to
> "selectionChanged" are empty, and "the dgHilitedLine" is set
> inconsistently?
>
> David,
>
> Setting the dgHilitedLine doesn't send selectionChanged (behavior mimics
> that of list fields). I just pasted your selectionChanged handler into a new
> data grid and tested your FindLine code to confirm. Did you override
> dgHilitedLine or are you firing off a selectionChanged message from
> somewhere else in your code?


Not firing off a selectionChanged message. I do have my own "setprop
dgHilite pBoolean" handler, but that only sets the backgroundcolour of a
group... ah think I've got it - its not the datagrid that is firing - it is
the list field? That is the list field is being used to "set the
dgHilitedLine of grp..." and in doing so the selection is being lost from
the field and moved to the datagrid. Explains why the params are empty - but
not why the dgHilitedLine reports an old value.

Figured it:

on selectionChanged pHilitedIndex, pPrevHilitedIndex
>    if pHilitedIndex is empty then
>       beep
>       put the dgHilitedLine of grp "Datagrid" into vLineNum
>       answer ("Selection changed using dgHilitedLine!" && vLineNum && "is
> the old dgHilitedLine, as the message is sent before the datagrid is set.")
>    else
>       put the dgHilitedLine of grp "Datagrid" into vLineNum
>       answer ("This works correctly" && vLineNum && "is the new (not old)
> dgHilitedLine.")
>    end if
> end selectionChanged


What is happening is that in the case of the list field triggering the
datagrid the message is sent of BEFORE the datagrid is set, while in the
case of clicking on the datagrid it is being sent AFTER the datagrid is set.
This is as expected I guess if not a bit confusing - personally I think i
would have prefered a datagrid specific message being sent - easier to trap
and distinguish between messages from differnet controls. Anyway problem
solved :)


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Thu Aug 27 16:59:18 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:59:18 +0200
Subject: popUpmenu btn in a datagrid
Message-ID: <ED382042-BAA6-4B6E-BCE5-BB1F11EDF75D@skynet.be>

Hello list,


I have a datagrid "form"
In the row template, I have placed a popUp menu btn

but, the menuPick handler of this btn is not send
if I use the btn in the "row template" of the datagird, it runs  
perfectly but if I choose an item of thi bnt in the datagrid, nothing  
happens ...


How can I resolve this problem ?

Thanks


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From david.bovill at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 17:22:01 2009
From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:22:01 +0100
Subject: popUpmenu btn in a datagrid
In-Reply-To: <ED382042-BAA6-4B6E-BCE5-BB1F11EDF75D@skynet.be>
References: <ED382042-BAA6-4B6E-BCE5-BB1F11EDF75D@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0908271422l34d31eevfde4068f179bc262@mail.gmail.com>

Should work fine - there is nothing magic happening in the datagrid - it's
just a regular group containing copies of your row template - the menupick
handler will work the same way as any group containing a menu button - so
just check your script and make sure you are editing the right one :)


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Thu Aug 27 17:23:46 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:23:46 -0400
Subject: Building an On-Rev Guest Book
Message-ID: <A99E175E-37D3-4B37-A9A6-FED171454E23@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

Well, I've made some progress with this whole On-Rev thing.  I'm  
trying to reproduce Kevin Miller's video example of guest book form  
that echoes the entry and save it to a file except that I want to do  
it using an HTML snippet object in an iWeb page that I've got served  
from my Mac in the Sites folder.  I think the HTML snippet works like  
an iFrame but I'm not sure if they are the same thing.  Man, that was  
a mouthful and probably a pain to read, but it's just the three parts  
listed below.

Everything works fine except that the entry is echoed in a new (blank)  
window rather than tacked onto the original form page as in Kevin's  
example.  Can anyone tell me how I can get the entry to echo in the  
original form?

Much obliged,

	Gregory

1.  An iWeb site served from my Mac's Sites folder

2.  One of the pages has the following HTML snippet:

<form action="http://myAccount.on-rev.com/form.irev"  method="post">		
	-- Kevin's web form HTML code copied here
</form>

3.  The form.irev file referred to in the snippet in 2 above has the  
following code that processes the form.

<html>

<?rev
put $_POST["name"] into theName
put $_POST["age"] into theAge
put $_POST["email"] into theEmail

if theName is not empty
then

put theName & tab & theAge & tab & theEmail & return \
after url ("file:testGuestBook.txt")

put "YOUR REGISTRATION" & "</br>"
put "Name:" && theName & "</br>"
put "Age:" && theAge & "</br>"
put "eMail:" && theEmail & "</br>"
put  "</br>" & "</br>"
put "OTHER REGISTRANTS" & "</br>"
put url ("file:testLogin.txt")
else
put "NO NAME!"
end if

?>

</html>



From mfstuart at cox.net  Thu Aug 27 18:25:00 2009
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 15:25:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Database connection fails with MS SQL 2008
In-Reply-To: <25179419.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <25179419.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <25180968.post@talk.nabble.com>


Ahhh, found the problem.

When defining the ODBC connection, you must check the "Change the default
database to:" box when selecting the database. then select the database.
Unchecked, it will return an error.

Mark Stuart



mfstuart wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Anyone know if RunRev 3.5 can successfully connect to MS SQL 2008?
> So far I haven't been able to.
> 
> Platform: WINXP
> 
> Regards,
> Mark Stuart
> 

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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 18:29:59 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:29:59 +1000
Subject: Building an On-Rev Guest Book
In-Reply-To: <A99E175E-37D3-4B37-A9A6-FED171454E23@videotron.ca>
References: <A99E175E-37D3-4B37-A9A6-FED171454E23@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <FD08AEEB-EFEF-4A5C-95E9-4B68481DB2BA@gmail.com>

Instead of posting the form data to a separate file, post it back to  
the file containing the form itself and have it read the post data,  
save it and then display it all in the one file.

So put the script you have in form.irev into an HTML snippet on the  
original page. Then change the form action to point to whatever you  
have called that file.

For some On-Rev examples, check out my page at http://www.troz.net/onrev/ 
  especially the Simple Form script.

Cheers,
Sarah


Sent from my iPhone

On 28/08/2009, at 7:23 AM, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>  
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> Well, I've made some progress with this whole On-Rev thing.  I'm  
> trying to reproduce Kevin Miller's video example of guest book form  
> that echoes the entry and save it to a file except that I want to do  
> it using an HTML snippet object in an iWeb page that I've got served  
> from my Mac in the Sites folder.  I think the HTML snippet works  
> like an iFrame but I'm not sure if they are the same thing.  Man,  
> that was a mouthful and probably a pain to read, but it's just the  
> three parts listed below.
>
> Everything works fine except that the entry is echoed in a new  
> (blank) window rather than tacked onto the original form page as in  
> Kevin's example.  Can anyone tell me how I can get the entry to echo  
> in the original form?
>
> Much obliged,
>
>    Gregory
>
> 1.  An iWeb site served from my Mac's Sites folder
>
> 2.  One of the pages has the following HTML snippet:
>
> <form action="http://myAccount.on-rev.com/form.irev"  method="post">
>    -- Kevin's web form HTML code copied here
> </form>
>
> 3.  The form.irev file referred to in the snippet in 2 above has the  
> following code that processes the form.
>
> <html>
>
> <?rev
> put $_POST["name"] into theName
> put $_POST["age"] into theAge
> put $_POST["email"] into theEmail
>
> if theName is not empty
> then
>
> put theName & tab & theAge & tab & theEmail & return \
> after url ("file:testGuestBook.txt")
>
> put "YOUR REGISTRATION" & "</br>"
> put "Name:" && theName & "</br>"
> put "Age:" && theAge & "</br>"
> put "eMail:" && theEmail & "</br>"
> put  "</br>" & "</br>"
> put "OTHER REGISTRANTS" & "</br>"
> put url ("file:testLogin.txt")
> else
> put "NO NAME!"
> end if
>
> ?>
>
> </html>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Thu Aug 27 18:31:21 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:31:21 +0200
Subject: uploading a test revlet on safari to a web site
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860907251913s2a26cee2r6e2ff4dfaad3bf26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CBDAEE43650637-184-1D2A@WEBMAIL-DZ01.sysops.aol.com>
	<f99b52860907251913s2a26cee2r6e2ff4dfaad3bf26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57847B45-4E39-4117-92FB-32459C4E206C@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 26 juil. 09 ? 04:13, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 1:22 PM, <revinfo1155 at aol.com> wrote:
>> I've successfully created a web application with webmedia. it runs  
>> good although I'll have to clean up a few things. The question is,  
>> how do I upload the web application from the test mode in safari  
>> that webmedia creates to an actual web page on the web? i have  
>> access to idisk storage and iweb. Can it be done on them?
>
> Yes it can. I just made a quick test page at
> <http://web.me.com/sarahr/RevWeb/Email_Encoder.html>.
>
> Here is what I did:
>
> 1. Create your stack and save it as a web standalone. This gives you 2
> files: the revlet and a test.html file.
> 2. Create your page in iWeb, I just used a blank page which gives me a
> header and a bit of text but not much else.
> 3. Open the test.html file in a text editor and copy all the code
> between "<!-- Embed your revlets using code" and "<!-- Plugin
> detection script finishes above this line -->"
> 4. Go back to iWeb and select Widgets in the sidebar on the right.
> 5. Drag an HTML snippet into your page and when it opens the dialog,
> paste in the code copied from the test.html page. (If like me you had
> a browser open at the time, the revlet will not display, but will warn
> you to close other browsers - just ignore this.)
> 6. Get iWeb to publish your site to MobileMe.
> 7. Open your iDisk and navigate to the Sites folder in your Home
> folder on your iDisk. You will see a folder with the same name as your
> site. In that folder will be an html file with the same name as your
> page and another folder, also with the name of your page.
> 8. Upload the revlet to the folder with the same name as the page.
>
> Now visit the page and the revlet should load.
>
> HTH,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________

works pretty much the same with RapidWeaver, except that you have to  
chose "HTML Code" as the new page template. The nav bar, and all theme  
elements work OK. The only drawback is that, this way, the "editorial"  
content of the page consists in the revlet alone. But, of course, you  
can put the text, graphics etc into the revlet.

cheers,
Fran?ois



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu Aug 27 19:19:42 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:19:42 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Script Colour Editor 1.0.0
Message-ID: <D16E15F9-5DBD-4A24-8ED5-F7E1B2106009@wehostmacs.com>

There was a post on the user list about changing the script editor  
colours so I thought I would whip up a little plugin to allow you to  
quickly and easily change the colour scheme of the script editor.

Revolution allows you to choose from three pre-built schemes  
"default", "Revolution Classic" and "No Colorization" (see Preferences  
 > Script Editor > Colorization) but you may want a different scheme -  
enter 'Script Colour Editor'.

Script Colour Editor uses the exact same calls that Revolution uses to  
colourize the script editor and allows you to set the colours you want!

Download from my website < www.shaosean.tk > or from ww.RevDevelop.com  
(Developer Tools > Plugins)

-Sean

Post your Revolution links on RevDevelop.com


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Thu Aug 27 21:30:01 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:30:01 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev's new 'Raptor' feature to be shown in webinar
Message-ID: <FDA61472-54EC-452E-AF8D-7917B82CE687@me.com>

Fellow lovers of code editors and Revolution,

We're hosting a free webinar tomorrow where I'll be demonstrating a  
brand new feature of tRev which is code-named Raptor.

As far as I know, no one has ever attempted this particular feature in  
a code editor. Since it is rare--if not unique, my attempts to  
describe it will not do it justice. I'd rather show it to you.

The live webinar will be held Friday, August 28 at 10:00 AM CDT  
(Central Daylight Time / United States). 15 seats are available.

Here's the link: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/join/249440650

If you choose to participate using your microphone and speakers  
(VoIP), a headset is recommended to avoid feedback.

You can also call in with your telephone using the following:

Dial 218-844-4926
Access Code: 249-440-650
Audio PIN: Shown after joining the meeting

Meeting ID: 249-440-650

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Watch tRev's new Decoder in action:
De-construct your code with tRev's decoder!



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu Aug 27 23:26:25 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:26:25 +0100
Subject: Revlet alternatives for launch, shell, externals, applescript,
	etc.
In-Reply-To: <4A6DFD93.80600@together.net>
References: <F5D3E925-EFAD-4CCD-ADF2-A6E233232D75@mac.com>	<24664175.post@talk.nabble.com>	<F2DEE120-68DC-42EB-BEB3-096C61EBC5CA@mac.com>
	<4A6C2ED7.1030504@together.net> <4A6DFD93.80600@together.net>
Message-ID: <4DAE08CE-6F9B-4C3E-9467-14F285F86337@azurevision.co.uk>

Hi Richard,

I've got shell access to work by checking the Shell tickbox (pretty  
obvious, really), but what do you need to tick for AppleScript? My  
'hello world' with all checkboxes ticked still won't run any  
applescripts even though they work in the IDE. :-(

Ian


On 27 Jul 2009, at 20:18, Richard Miller wrote:

> I thought I would report that Kevin helped me solve this issue by  
> pointing out that launch, shell and applescript currently work in a  
> revlet as long as the appropriate security settings are check-marked  
> in the Standalone Settings dialog. I probably should have caught  
> that on my own earlier, but since I missed it, perhaps others might  
> as well. Changing those settings enabled these three functions to  
> work fine in a revlet (which gave me access to externals support  
> through the back door by allowing the revlet to launch a separate  
> invisible Rev standalone which had externals enabled).
>
> Richard


From niconiko at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 01:06:04 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:06:04 +0900
Subject: [ANN] Script Colour Editor 1.0.0
In-Reply-To: <D16E15F9-5DBD-4A24-8ED5-F7E1B2106009@wehostmacs.com>
References: <D16E15F9-5DBD-4A24-8ED5-F7E1B2106009@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70908272206rcb0ecffr95462741e7433397@mail.gmail.com>

Sean,

Thank you for offering Script Colour Editor.

I downloaded and tried out SCE, but am still unclear as to what SCE is
meant to do.

Does SCE simply colorize a script that's copy-pasted into the SCE
script field (above the button "Colorize"?

Or does SCE modify one of Rev's three pre-built color schemes? So that
in Code Editor, any script will appear in the alternate SCE-modified
color scheme.

I assumed the latter, and selected each of Rev's Script Editor
preferences and then hitt "Colorize" on SCE. But nothing seemed to
change. Tried it in reverse too (SCE "Colorize and then Rev Script
Editor preference). But again nothing seemed to change.

If you have time or the inclination to explain what I'm doing wrong,
I'd appreciate it.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 01:11:27 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:11:27 +0100
Subject: Performance of RevMedia on matrix diagonalization
In-Reply-To: <4A96DED8.4070603@ekoinf.net>
References: <ae3be960908270016w6104873aya6547307a5da74b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A96DED8.4070603@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <edcc7e6b0908272211y6464a168o8b46355f416893ee@mail.gmail.com>

Viktoras,

Maybe the wording in the IDE (and maybe the docs) is misleading.
After all, the button in the script editor says 'compile', not just
'save' or 'check syntax'.  It might very well be that it is compiled
into some form of p-code that doesn't mean that it needs to be
re-compiled each time the script inside a control is called.  (I
believe that Python and other scripting languages also compile down to
some form that doesn't require recompilation - I know that REXX used
to do this).

If it is compiled then one might well have an expectation that it
would perform at speeds near to those of VB.  After all, Java is
compiled to byte code and it performs pretty well these days.
(Although it hardly seems reasonable to expect a company the size of
RunRev to be able to optimize cross-platform execution the way that a
company the size of Sun [with additional help/stimulus from companies
like IBM/Oracle]).

It might also be interesting/useful for Piero to implement his code in
RealBasic.  Since it is so close to VB it should be fairly trivial.
After all, RB  is cross platform and from a small company too.
Although if Piero is interested in delivering content through a
browser, then RB may not be of much interest to him even if it is
faster.

Bernard

On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:30 PM, viktoras d.<viktoras at ekoinf.net> wrote:
> However, please
> correct me if I am wrong, VB6 is compiled while Revolution is interpreted,
> therefore much slower. Did you try implementing same algorithm in other
> interpreted languages (javascript, php, perl, etc?) it would be interesting
> to do some benchmarking :-)
>


From piero.ugliengo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 02:19:48 2009
From: piero.ugliengo at gmail.com (Piero Ugliengo)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:19:48 +0200
Subject: Performance of RevMedia on matrix diagonalization
In-Reply-To: <4A96DED8.4070603@ekoinf.net>
References: <ae3be960908270016w6104873aya6547307a5da74b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A96DED8.4070603@ekoinf.net>
Message-ID: <ae3be960908272319x5fbbac24p1374d74657009c1f@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Viktoras, thanks a lot for the suggestions. Yes VB is compiled
(although in a sort of p-code) and it isexpected to be faster than any
scripting language. I did't try to do what you have suggested because I am
not
mastering other languages but VB6 and FORTRAN. I am also convinced that
trying to rewrite matrix algebra using
the very fast routines provided natively by Revolution will improve the
matters a lot. As usual, because I am not
a professional in this field, I have to find some time to do that!
Cheers
Piero

2009/8/27 viktoras d. <viktoras at ekoinf.net>

> Hi Piero,
>
> declaring local/global variables in functions and handlers should slightly
> add to speed. Populating arrays in advance with zeros so that array size
> won't change inside loops might also be of some value. However, please
> correct me if I am wrong, VB6 is compiled while Revolution is interpreted,
> therefore much slower. Did you try implementing same algorithm in other
> interpreted languages (javascript, php, perl, etc?) it would be interesting
> to do some benchmarking :-)
>
> Using native functions: matrixMultiply(firstArray, secondArray),
> transpose(array) where possible would also increase speed as they are really
> fast.
>
> Best wishes
> Viktoras
>
> Piero Ugliengo wrote:
>
>> I am completely new to Revolution. I have downloaded the RevMedia alpha
>> version and played a bit with it. I was impressed by how fast I was able
>> to
>> port a little VB6 code to RevMedia. This code diagonalizes a symmetric
>> matrix using the Jacobi algorithm. I checked against the VB6 code and I
>> got
>> exactly the same results in the same number of iterations so that numerics
>> is the same. However the RevMedia code is at least one order of magnitude
>> slower than the VB6 one. For instance a 50x50 matrix is diagonalized in a
>> couple of seconds in VB6 and it tooks more than a minute on RevMedia. I
>> know
>> that RevMedia is not meant for numerical intensive calculations; however,
>> I
>> would like to use it in a scientific teaching context so some power is
>> needed. I wonder if anybody much expert than me can try the code using the
>> most powerful Revolution Studio and if there is a clever way to deal with
>> matrix algebra.
>> The link to download the rev script is here:
>>
>> http://sites.google.com/site/pierougliengo/download-1/test.rev?attredirects=0
>>
>> <
>> http://sites.google.com/site/pierougliengo/download-1/test.rev?attredirects=0
>> >One
>> can set the size of the matrix in the onmouse routine.
>> Thanks a lot
>> _________________
>> Piero Ugliengo
>>
>>
>>
>
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Phone: +39-011-670.4596
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 02:20:03 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:20:03 +1000
Subject: Revlet alternatives for launch, shell, externals, applescript, 
	etc.
In-Reply-To: <4DAE08CE-6F9B-4C3E-9467-14F285F86337@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <F5D3E925-EFAD-4CCD-ADF2-A6E233232D75@mac.com>
	<24664175.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<F2DEE120-68DC-42EB-BEB3-096C61EBC5CA@mac.com>
	<4A6C2ED7.1030504@together.net> <4A6DFD93.80600@together.net>
	<4DAE08CE-6F9B-4C3E-9467-14F285F86337@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908272320t6ee4bcdcgd7a1e3e2b834499@mail.gmail.com>

I think you need to check "Processes" for AppleScript, since it
interacts with other processes.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Ian Wood<revlist at azurevision.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> I've got shell access to work by checking the Shell tickbox (pretty obvious,
> really), but what do you need to tick for AppleScript? My 'hello world' with
> all checkboxes ticked still won't run any applescripts even though they work
> in the IDE. :-(
>
> Ian
>
>
> On 27 Jul 2009, at 20:18, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> I thought I would report that Kevin helped me solve this issue by pointing
>> out that launch, shell and applescript currently work in a revlet as long as
>> the appropriate security settings are check-marked in the Standalone
>> Settings dialog. I probably should have caught that on my own earlier, but
>> since I missed it, perhaps others might as well. Changing those settings
>> enabled these three functions to work fine in a revlet (which gave me access
>> to externals support through the back door by allowing the revlet to launch
>> a separate invisible Rev standalone which had externals enabled).


From piero.ugliengo at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 02:28:32 2009
From: piero.ugliengo at gmail.com (Piero Ugliengo)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:28:32 +0200
Subject: Performance of RevMedia on matrix diagonalization
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0908272211y6464a168o8b46355f416893ee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae3be960908270016w6104873aya6547307a5da74b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A96DED8.4070603@ekoinf.net>
	<edcc7e6b0908272211y6464a168o8b46355f416893ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ae3be960908272328t7fed9ffaqc628c0efe21af986@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bernard, you are certianly right about RB. Indeed I am following their
developmentduring the years. I am pretty sure that the same code will be
probably faster in RB than in VB6
but I have yet to decide to buy their compiler.
As you said, what is attractive in RevMedia is its free character and the
fact that one can
write a trully portable app running within any browser. It is also rather
easy to
adopt as a language for teaching programming concepts to people in the
scientific field without
the effort needed with Java or C++. Python is certainly a beautiful language
extremely reach
in features and ad hoc libraries and can be adopted as a general purpose
language also
in a scientific context (Numpy will solve almost all numerical aspects). On
the other hand
I still have to find an easy way to deploy to a final user a complex Python
application which would
be straightforward to install on his/her computer.
Cheers
Piero

2009/8/28 Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>

> Viktoras,
>
> Maybe the wording in the IDE (and maybe the docs) is misleading.
> After all, the button in the script editor says 'compile', not just
> 'save' or 'check syntax'.  It might very well be that it is compiled
> into some form of p-code that doesn't mean that it needs to be
> re-compiled each time the script inside a control is called.  (I
> believe that Python and other scripting languages also compile down to
> some form that doesn't require recompilation - I know that REXX used
> to do this).
>
> If it is compiled then one might well have an expectation that it
> would perform at speeds near to those of VB.  After all, Java is
> compiled to byte code and it performs pretty well these days.
> (Although it hardly seems reasonable to expect a company the size of
> RunRev to be able to optimize cross-platform execution the way that a
> company the size of Sun [with additional help/stimulus from companies
> like IBM/Oracle]).
>
> It might also be interesting/useful for Piero to implement his code in
> RealBasic.  Since it is so close to VB it should be fairly trivial.
> After all, RB  is cross platform and from a small company too.
> Although if Piero is interested in delivering content through a
> browser, then RB may not be of much interest to him even if it is
> faster.
>
> Bernard
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:30 PM, viktoras d.<viktoras at ekoinf.net> wrote:
> > However, please
> > correct me if I am wrong, VB6 is compiled while Revolution is
> interpreted,
> > therefore much slower. Did you try implementing same algorithm in other
> > interpreted languages (javascript, php, perl, etc?) it would be
> interesting
> > to do some benchmarking :-)
> >
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri Aug 28 03:05:06 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 00:05:06 -0700
Subject: Can't hide field border
In-Reply-To: <284D2C60-8FC6-4A14-BED5-6A2BF00796E7@byu.edu>
References: <995A8388-0384-4AAD-931A-AE447B532CE7@mac.com>
	<4A957AB2.4090703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<642A672E-61DF-49B2-8906-54F7BA51D628@mac.com>
	<284D2C60-8FC6-4A14-BED5-6A2BF00796E7@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <E085FBE7-324D-4012-BB48-7AAE2A577E58@mac.com>

Devin,

Bingo. That was it.

BTW I was wrong about the visual look of the field. The top and left  
border was visible but not the bottom and right border. The effect was  
subtle and looked like the border was there.

Thanks,
Bill

On Aug 27, 2009, at 7:33 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

>
> On Aug 26, 2009, at 6:52 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:
>
>> It is true but it doesn't matter if it is true or false. I still  
>> see it.
>>
>> Bill Vlahos
>>
>> On Aug 26, 2009, at 11:10 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>
>>> Bill Vlahos wrote:
>>>> I have a stack that has field that appears to have a border that I
>>>> can't get rid of. It isn't the actual border (I've turned
>>>> showBorder on and off and the appearance changes but doesn't get
>>>> rid of what looks like a border.
>>>> I've dragged a new field onto the card and I can hide the border as
>>>> expected. I've compared the Properties of both fields and I don't
>>>> see anything different.
>>>> There must be some setting that is different but I can't tell what
>>>> it is. Any ideas on what to look for?
>>>
>>> See if the showFocusBorder property is true.
>
> Is it possible that the shadow property is true? That's a property  
> with no GUI way to change it.
>
> Devin
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
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From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri Aug 28 03:07:00 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 03:07:00 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Script Colour Editor 1.0.0
Message-ID: <7A924372-57EB-4ADB-9405-5AE316FB4B72@wehostmacs.com>

Open SCE
Select a line in the listbox
(optional) click on the 'Bold' and/or 'Italic' checkboxes
Select a colour

(do the above as many times as the features you want to change)

click the 'Colourize' button (the little preview field updates  
automatically) but in the script editor you will need to press the TAB  
key to force Rev to recolour the script field (I am looking at a way  
to make it auto update but Rev hard-coded the colours in the script  
instead of using the colours stored in the preferences file)


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Aug 28 03:16:42 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:16:42 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Script Colour Editor 1.0.0
In-Reply-To: <7A924372-57EB-4ADB-9405-5AE316FB4B72@wehostmacs.com>
References: <7A924372-57EB-4ADB-9405-5AE316FB4B72@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <9C35BEB2-A171-40CC-8939-379921F27718@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Sean,

I had the impression that this stack could be used to change the  
script colorising in Rev's own script editor. Am I wrong? If I'm  
right, how are we supposed to use your stack? Do I have the insert a  
script into back? Keep your stack in the plug-ins folder, perhaps?

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

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On 28 aug 2009, at 09:07, Shao Sean wrote:

> Open SCE
> Select a line in the listbox
> (optional) click on the 'Bold' and/or 'Italic' checkboxes
> Select a colour
>
> (do the above as many times as the features you want to change)
>
> click the 'Colourize' button (the little preview field updates  
> automatically) but in the script editor you will need to press the  
> TAB key to force Rev to recolour the script field (I am looking at a  
> way to make it auto update but Rev hard-coded the colours in the  
> script instead of using the colours stored in the preferences file)




From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri Aug 28 04:55:07 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 04:55:07 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Script Colour Editor 1.0.0
Message-ID: <26266924-FE49-4B75-9608-158CDB65668C@wehostmacs.com>

Read the instructions I posted in the email you replied to.. You need  
to set the colours you want in the SCE and then click the 'Colourize'  
button.. It does not automatically update the script editors though (I  
am working around Rev's coding to get it to automatically update the  
script editors though).. The you need to press TAB in the script  
editor to force it to recolourize the script


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Aug 28 04:59:38 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:59:38 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Script Colour Editor 1.0.0
In-Reply-To: <26266924-FE49-4B75-9608-158CDB65668C@wehostmacs.com>
References: <26266924-FE49-4B75-9608-158CDB65668C@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <42B2CAD3-7ED3-45F8-ACB0-AA27576AF738@economy-x-talk.com>

Alright, I got it. So...

1) open your stack
2) press the Colorize button
3) press tab inside a handler in the IDE's script editor

Thanks.

--
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Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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On 28 aug 2009, at 10:55, Shao Sean wrote:

> Read the instructions I posted in the email you replied to.. You  
> need to set the colours you want in the SCE and then click the  
> 'Colourize' button.. It does not automatically update the script  
> editors though (I am working around Rev's coding to get it to  
> automatically update the script editors though).. The you need to  
> press TAB in the script editor to force it to recolourize the script




From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri Aug 28 06:07:10 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 06:07:10 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Script Colour Editor 1.0.0
Message-ID: <436DEF98-D01D-400C-95AF-2E83863BDB62@wehostmacs.com>

I am working on an update that will allow for automatic updating of  
the script windows as well as another little feature.. until then just  
use the TAB in your script windows to get your colour scheme in use


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Aug 28 08:27:48 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:27:48 +0200
Subject: [ANN] Script Colour Editor 1.0.0
In-Reply-To: <42B2CAD3-7ED3-45F8-ACB0-AA27576AF738@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <26266924-FE49-4B75-9608-158CDB65668C@wehostmacs.com>
	<42B2CAD3-7ED3-45F8-ACB0-AA27576AF738@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <876839C3-FD8E-4E5F-A9AB-BAD67DC0BE02@economy-x-talk.com>

It works well, Sean. I like the possibility to change black keyweords  
into white.

<http://economy-x-talk.com/test/script.png>

Thanks for your efforts.

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Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
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From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Fri Aug 28 09:42:41 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:42:41 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
Message-ID: <4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>

A Mac standalone that needs to Launch another .app
A Win standalone that needs to Launch another .exe
Everything is in the same Folder.
The docs just say launch "myApp" but that does nothing.
How can I do this?

Thanks,
Adrian
______________________
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<adrian at clubtype.co.uk>





From Ray at LinkIt.Com  Fri Aug 28 13:38:12 2009
From: Ray at LinkIt.Com (Ray Horsley)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:38:12 -0700
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>

I'm not having any trouble with:

on mouseUp
   answer file "Pick an application"
   launch it
end mouseUp

Ray Horsley
LinkIt! Sofware

On Aug 28, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Adrian Williams wrote:

> A Mac standalone that needs to Launch another .app
> A Win standalone that needs to Launch another .exe
> Everything is in the same Folder.
> The docs just say launch "myApp" but that does nothing.
> How can I do this?
>
> Thanks,
> Adrian
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From coiin at verizon.net  Fri Aug 28 10:41:14 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:41:14 -0400
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>
	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <813FB84F-24F0-4CB5-B7F3-E8750B7FCD98@verizon.net>


On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:

>> The docs just say launch "myApp" but that does nothing.
>> How can I do this?
>


There's no chance that you're using the standalone's name instead of  
the other apps name, is there?




From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Fri Aug 28 10:50:00 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:50:00 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
Message-ID: <8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>

Thanks Ray, but I don't want a navigation dialog to select it, I want  
the app to launch automatically.
Adrian

On 28 Aug 2009, at 18:38, Ray Horsley wrote:

> I'm not having any trouble with:
>
> on mouseUp
>  answer file "Pick an application"
>  launch it
> end mouseUp
>
> Ray Horsley
> LinkIt! Sofware
>
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Adrian Williams wrote:
>
>> A Mac standalone that needs to Launch another .app
>> A Win standalone that needs to Launch another .exe
>> Everything is in the same Folder.
>> The docs just say launch "myApp" but that does nothing.
>> How can I do this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Adrian
>> ______________________
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>> http://www.clubtype.co.uk
>> <adrian at clubtype.co.uk>
>>
>>
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From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Fri Aug 28 10:56:53 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:56:53 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <813FB84F-24F0-4CB5-B7F3-E8750B7FCD98@verizon.net>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>
	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
	<813FB84F-24F0-4CB5-B7F3-E8750B7FCD98@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <70A375CD-5254-40E2-9339-6228BF10E736@clubtype.co.uk>

Hi Colin,
Nop. I'm not launching myApp by mistake.
I have a stack with one button script and building into a standalone.
Its just trying to launch another app in the same Folder.

Adrian


On 28 Aug 2009, at 15:41, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:38 PM, Ray Horsley wrote:
>
>>> The docs just say launch "myApp" but that does nothing.
>>> How can I do this?
>>
>
>
> There's no chance that you're using the standalone's name instead of  
> the other apps name, is there?
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Aug 28 10:57:07 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:57:07 -0500
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>

Adrian Williams wrote:
> Thanks Ray, but I don't want a navigation dialog to select it, I want 
> the app to launch automatically.
> Adrian

The problem is probably a path issue. If you are only referring to the 
application by its short file name, then make sure the defaultFolder is 
set to the one containing your standalone. Alternately you can construct 
a full file path by getting your standalone's mainstack file name and 
replacing the last item after the final slash with your second app's name.

-- 
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From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 10:58:48 2009
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 08:58:48 -0600
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C6BD4CC8.29C7%cmsheffield@gmail.com>

Adrian,

Is it possible you've changed the defaultFolder somewhere in your code?
That's the only reason I can think of why a command like launch "myApp"
wouldn't work.

Also, sorry to state the obvious, but just in case, be aware that it is
necessary to include the .exe or .app as part of the app's name.

Good luck.

Chris Sheffield


On 8/28/09 8:50 AM, "Adrian Williams" <adrian at clubtype.co.uk> wrote:

> Thanks Ray, but I don't want a navigation dialog to select it, I want
> the app to launch automatically.
> Adrian
> 
> On 28 Aug 2009, at 18:38, Ray Horsley wrote:
> 
>> I'm not having any trouble with:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>  answer file "Pick an application"
>>  launch it
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> Ray Horsley
>> LinkIt! Sofware
>> 
>> On Aug 28, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Adrian Williams wrote:
>> 
>>> A Mac standalone that needs to Launch another .app
>>> A Win standalone that needs to Launch another .exe
>>> Everything is in the same Folder.
>>> The docs just say launch "myApp" but that does nothing.
>>> How can I do this?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Adrian
>>> ______________________
>>> Club Type
>>> http://www.clubtype.co.uk
>>> <adrian at clubtype.co.uk>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Fri Aug 28 11:17:07 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:17:07 -0400
Subject: Building an On-Rev Guest Book
In-Reply-To: <20090828071650.66A1E48AA88@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090828071650.66A1E48AA88@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F00CA0AB-53BE-4847-AA29-6FB37A74E2E4@videotron.ca>

Thanks for responding, Sarah.

Tried that but it doesn't work.  The page displays the result of the  
form.irev code as it would be before the form is processed even if the  
form is filled and the submit button clicked.  Perhaps I misunderstood  
your instructions.  I changed

	"http://myAccount.on-rev.com/form.irev"

in the form action in 2 below to

	"http://localhost/mySiteFolder/thePage.html"  (Site folder on my Mac)

I then put another HTML snippet on the page with the irev code

	<iFrame src="http://pareto.on-rev.com/form.irev">

I also tried to upload the web site from my Sites folder to my www  
folder at On-Rev using the Web Disk, but I kept getting an error.  Sigh.

	Gregory




On 28-Aug-09, at 3:16 AM, Sarah wrote:

> Instead of posting the form data to a separate file, post it back to
> the file containing the form itself and have it read the post data,
> save it and then display it all in the one file.
>
> So put the script you have in form.irev into an HTML snippet on the
> original page. Then change the form action to point to whatever you
> have called that file.
>
> For some On-Rev examples, check out my page at http://www.troz.net/onrev/
>  especially the Simple Form script.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 28/08/2009, at 7:23 AM, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Well, I've made some progress with this whole On-Rev thing.  I'm
>> trying to reproduce Kevin Miller's video example of guest book form
>> that echoes the entry and save it to a file except that I want to do
>> it using an HTML snippet object in an iWeb page that I've got served
>> from my Mac in the Sites folder.  I think the HTML snippet works
>> like an iFrame but I'm not sure if they are the same thing.  Man,
>> that was a mouthful and probably a pain to read, but it's just the
>> three parts listed below.
>>
>> Everything works fine except that the entry is echoed in a new
>> (blank) window rather than tacked onto the original form page as in
>> Kevin's example.  Can anyone tell me how I can get the entry to echo
>> in the original form?
>>
>> Much obliged,
>>
>>   Gregory
>>
>> 1.  An iWeb site served from my Mac's Sites folder
>>
>> 2.  One of the pages has the following HTML snippet:
>>
>> <form action="http://myAccount.on-rev.com/form.irev"  method="post">
>>   -- Kevin's web form HTML code copied here
>> </form>
>>
>> 3.  The form.irev file referred to in the snippet in 2 above has the
>> following code that processes the form.
>>
>> <html>
>>
>> <?rev
>> put $_POST["name"] into theName
>> put $_POST["age"] into theAge
>> put $_POST["email"] into theEmail
>>
>> if theName is not empty
>> then
>>
>> put theName & tab & theAge & tab & theEmail & return \
>> after url ("file:testGuestBook.txt")
>>
>> put "YOUR REGISTRATION" & "</br>"
>> put "Name:" && theName & "</br>"
>> put "Age:" && theAge & "</br>"
>> put "eMail:" && theEmail & "</br>"
>> put  "</br>" & "</br>"
>> put "OTHER REGISTRANTS" & "</br>"
>> put url ("file:testLogin.txt")
>> else
>> put "NO NAME!"
>> end if
>>
>> ?>
>>
>> </html>
>



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Aug 28 11:33:17 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:33:17 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AB269884-A4F6-4D85-8BBB-C142AC909FF3@azurevision.co.uk>

It's still worth doing as a test. If it works and you code doesn't,  
then you've confirmed that it's a path issue.

It's also worth doing a test standalone that answers the  
defaultfolder, as the initial defaultfolder can't get a bit tricky on  
OS X with the bundle.

Ian

On 28 Aug 2009, at 15:50, Adrian Williams wrote:

> Thanks Ray, but I don't want a navigation dialog to select it, I  
> want the app to launch automatically.
> Adrian



From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Fri Aug 28 11:39:32 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:39:32 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <C6BD4CC8.29C7%cmsheffield@gmail.com>
References: <C6BD4CC8.29C7%cmsheffield@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96341272-F3E2-4A84-81AC-39A85F8D9E33@clubtype.co.uk>

Chris,

Think I have it now. "it" may not the best best name to use but it  
works on OSX at least.
Will it also work on Windows?

Speaking for myself (an old newbie) who doesn't use Rev often, the  
docs are not complete enough.
One forgets the simplest of tasks because they are not used constantly  
or often enough.
Niggles with the docs will always happen I guess, but in principle,it  
seems they don't cater for both newbies and pros.
Unless one knows that the default folder must be set, the doc example  
about "launch" is little help,
including the fact that "SimpleText" should be "SimpleText.app"?

Extract from docs Examples and Parameters follows...
Example(s):
	launch "SimpleText"
	launch "/Documents/Projects/test.txt" with myApp
	launch it with (field "Application")

Parameters:
"... The applicationPath is the location and name of the application  
to start up.
If no path is specified, the launch command assumes that the  
application is in the defaultFolder."

Deceptively simple once one realises the defaultFolder must first be  
set.
So the tiniest of "contextual" examples would illustrate both "launch"  
and "defaultFolder".
Its worth a thousand words!

  set the defaultFolder to it
  launch "TextEdit.app"
  launch it

For pros and experienced users my comments are probably unfounded -  
"spend more time getting to know transcript!"
But isn't ease of use the very thing that tempts non programmers to  
use Rev?
Apologies if this offends anyone and many thanks for the great  
feedback; the best thing about Rev apart from the software itself.

Thanks,
Adrian

On 28 Aug 2009, at 15:58, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Adrian,
>
> Is it possible you've changed the defaultFolder somewhere in your  
> code?
> That's the only reason I can think of why a command like launch  
> "myApp"
> wouldn't work.
>
> Also, sorry to state the obvious, but just in case, be aware that it  
> is
> necessary to include the .exe or .app as part of the app's name.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Chris Sheffield
>
>
> On 8/28/09 8:50 AM, "Adrian Williams" <adrian at clubtype.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ray, but I don't want a navigation dialog to select it, I want
>> the app to launch automatically.
>> Adrian
>>
>> On 28 Aug 2009, at 18:38, Ray Horsley wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not having any trouble with:
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>> answer file "Pick an application"
>>> launch it
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> Ray Horsley
>>> LinkIt! Sofware
>>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2009, at 6:42 AM, Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>
>>>> A Mac standalone that needs to Launch another .app
>>>> A Win standalone that needs to Launch another .exe
>>>> Everything is in the same Folder.
>>>> The docs just say launch "myApp" but that does nothing.
>>>> How can I do this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Adrian
>>>> ______________________
>>>> Club Type
>>>> http://www.clubtype.co.uk
>>>> <adrian at clubtype.co.uk>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 11:51:37 2009
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:51:37 -0600
Subject: Test
Message-ID: <C6BD5929.29D0%cmsheffield@gmail.com>

Please ignore. Just testing some e-mail account settings. :-)


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Aug 28 13:14:14 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:14:14 -0400
Subject: Navigate to another page from revLet?
Message-ID: <180A7AFD-E0D6-49D4-9023-0F9F1960DBD7@mangomultimedia.com>

I am experimenting with revLets and I need to navigate to another page  
when the user clicks on a button in the revLet. I tried launch url  
opens a page in a new window but I'm hoping to navigate within the  
same window. revLets can't call javascript functions available to the  
page yet can they? Any other ideas?

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com

Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems


From andre at andregarzia.com  Fri Aug 28 13:24:40 2009
From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:24:40 +0100
Subject: Navigate to another page from revLet?
In-Reply-To: <180A7AFD-E0D6-49D4-9023-0F9F1960DBD7@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <180A7AFD-E0D6-49D4-9023-0F9F1960DBD7@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <7c87a2a10908281024o3759c246x54358f35e618277b@mail.gmail.com>

Trevor,
it is complicated but it can be done. First you need to have sessions
implemented, you can pass your session variable to the revlet using the
revParams, this way, your revlet could write to RDBMS or to a CGI saying:
"hey, this session wants to go to another page" and in the page that loads
the revlet itself, there should be a javascript that pings the server every
couple seconds sending the session variable and receiving orders, this way,
you set a three way communication where a javascript in the page talks to
the server and the revlet talks to the same server.

Cheers
andre

On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com>wrote:

> I am experimenting with revLets and I need to navigate to another page when
> the user clicks on a button in the revLet. I tried launch url opens a page
> in a new window but I'm hoping to navigate within the same window. revLets
> can't call javascript functions available to the page yet can they? Any
> other ideas?
>
> --
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com
>
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From klaus at major.on-rev.com  Fri Aug 28 13:28:28 2009
From: klaus at major.on-rev.com (Klaus on-rev)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:28:28 +0200
Subject: Navigate to another page from revLet?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10908281024o3759c246x54358f35e618277b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <180A7AFD-E0D6-49D4-9023-0F9F1960DBD7@mangomultimedia.com>
	<7c87a2a10908281024o3759c246x54358f35e618277b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C9DA53B-DAF6-4250-964D-8B97FAE5FB40@major.on-rev.com>

Hi Andre & Trevor,

> Trevor,
> it is complicated but it can be done. First you need to have sessions
> implemented, you can pass your session variable to the revlet using  
> the
> revParams, this way, your revlet could write to RDBMS or to a CGI  
> saying:
> "hey, this session wants to go to another page" and in the page that  
> loads
> the revlet itself, there should be a javascript that pings the  
> server every
> couple seconds sending the session variable and receiving orders,  
> this way,
> you set a three way communication where a javascript in the page  
> talks to
> the server and the revlet talks to the same server.

OH MY GOD!

I hope the mothership will make this a TAD easier in the final  
version :-D :-D :-D

> Cheers
> andre
>
> On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com 
> >wrote:
>
>> I am experimenting with revLets and I need to navigate to another  
>> page when
>> the user clicks on a button in the revLet. I tried launch url opens  
>> a page
>> in a new window but I'm hoping to navigate within the same window.  
>> revLets
>> can't call javascript functions available to the page yet can they?  
>> Any
>> other ideas?
>>
>> --
>> Trevor DeVore

Best

Klaus

--
Klaus Major
http://www.major-k.de
klaus at major.on-rev.com



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Aug 28 13:29:54 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:29:54 -0400
Subject: Navigate to another page from revLet?
In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10908281024o3759c246x54358f35e618277b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <180A7AFD-E0D6-49D4-9023-0F9F1960DBD7@mangomultimedia.com>
	<7c87a2a10908281024o3759c246x54358f35e618277b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B11B520-0AB8-4DDC-9710-576D0809B958@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> it is complicated but it can be done. First you need to have sessions
> implemented, you can pass your session variable to the revlet using  
> the
> revParams, this way, your revlet could write to RDBMS or to a CGI  
> saying:
> "hey, this session wants to go to another page" and in the page that  
> loads
> the revlet itself, there should be a javascript that pings the  
> server every
> couple seconds sending the session variable and receiving orders,  
> this way,
> you set a three way communication where a javascript in the page  
> talks to
> the server and the revlet talks to the same server.

Good times :-)

Thanks Andre.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Aug 28 13:32:56 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:32:56 -0700
Subject: Navigate to another page from revLet?
Message-ID: <4A9814C8.70306@fourthworld.com>

Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
> 
>> it is complicated but it can be done. First you need to have sessions
>> implemented, you can pass your session variable to the revlet using  
>> the
>> revParams, this way, your revlet could write to RDBMS or to a CGI  
>> saying:
>> "hey, this session wants to go to another page" and in the page that  
>> loads
>> the revlet itself, there should be a javascript that pings the  
>> server every
>> couple seconds sending the session variable and receiving orders,  
>> this way,
>> you set a three way communication where a javascript in the page  
>> talks to
>> the server and the revlet talks to the same server.
> 
> Good times :-)
> 
> Thanks Andre.

No "do as JavaScript"?  Drag.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Fri Aug 28 13:38:29 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:38:29 -0400
Subject: uploading a test revlet on safari to a web site
In-Reply-To: <57847B45-4E39-4117-92FB-32459C4E206C@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <8CBDAEE43650637-184-1D2A@WEBMAIL-DZ01.sysops.aol.com>
	<f99b52860907251913s2a26cee2r6e2ff4dfaad3bf26@mail.gmail.com>
	<57847B45-4E39-4117-92FB-32459C4E206C@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <374E285C-C72C-487E-8AC6-0DE3D4E7D10D@luceatlux.com>

Actually, you can embed a revlet in any RapidWeaver page, with other  
material (text, graphics, etc.) appearing above and below it.  All you  
have to do is enter the embed code, select the code, and choose  
'Ignore Formatting'.

I may have answered this before.  If so, please excuse me.  You can  
see an example at http://gcb.luceatlux.com/teachablemoments.irev.

George

On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:


Le 26 juil. 09 ? 04:13, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 1:22 PM, <revinfo1155 at aol.com> wrote:
>> I've successfully created a web application with webmedia. it runs  
>> good although I'll have to clean up a few things. The question is,  
>> how do I upload the web application from the test mode in safari  
>> that webmedia creates to an actual web page on the web? i have  
>> access to idisk storage and iweb. Can it be done on them?
>
> Yes it can. I just made a quick test page at
> <http://web.me.com/sarahr/RevWeb/Email_Encoder.html>.
>
> Here is what I did:
>
> 1. Create your stack and save it as a web standalone. This gives you 2
> files: the revlet and a test.html file.
> 2. Create your page in iWeb, I just used a blank page which gives me a
> header and a bit of text but not much else.
> 3. Open the test.html file in a text editor and copy all the code
> between "<!-- Embed your revlets using code" and "<!-- Plugin
> detection script finishes above this line -->"
> 4. Go back to iWeb and select Widgets in the sidebar on the right.
> 5. Drag an HTML snippet into your page and when it opens the dialog,
> paste in the code copied from the test.html page. (If like me you had
> a browser open at the time, the revlet will not display, but will warn
> you to close other browsers - just ignore this.)
> 6. Get iWeb to publish your site to MobileMe.
> 7. Open your iDisk and navigate to the Sites folder in your Home
> folder on your iDisk. You will see a folder with the same name as your
> site. In that folder will be an html file with the same name as your
> page and another folder, also with the name of your page.
> 8. Upload the revlet to the folder with the same name as the page.
>
> Now visit the page and the revlet should load.
>
> HTH,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________

works pretty much the same with RapidWeaver, except that you have to  
chose "HTML Code" as the new page template. The nav bar, and all theme  
elements work OK. The only drawback is that, this way, the "editorial"  
content of the page consists in the revlet alone. But, of course, you  
can put the text, graphics etc into the revlet.

cheers,
Fran?ois

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From jim at visitrieve.com  Fri Aug 28 13:47:08 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 07:47:08 -1000
Subject: uploading a test revlet on safari to a web site
In-Reply-To: <374E285C-C72C-487E-8AC6-0DE3D4E7D10D@luceatlux.com>
References: <8CBDAEE43650637-184-1D2A@WEBMAIL-DZ01.sysops.aol.com>	<f99b52860907251913s2a26cee2r6e2ff4dfaad3bf26@mail.gmail.com>	<57847B45-4E39-4117-92FB-32459C4E206C@mines-paristech.fr>
	<374E285C-C72C-487E-8AC6-0DE3D4E7D10D@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <007401ca2807$9151f4f0$b3f5ded0$@com>

George,

You link generates a 404 error.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of George C Brackett
> Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 7:38 AM
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: uploading a test revlet on safari to a web site
> 
> Actually, you can embed a revlet in any RapidWeaver page, with other
> material (text, graphics, etc.) appearing above and below it.  All you
> have to do is enter the embed code, select the code, and choose
> 'Ignore Formatting'.
> 
> I may have answered this before.  If so, please excuse me.  You can
> see an example at http://gcb.luceatlux.com/teachablemoments.irev.
> 
> George
> 
> On Aug 27, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
> 
> 
> Le 26 juil. 09 ? 04:13, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :
> 
> > On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 1:22 PM, <revinfo1155 at aol.com> wrote:
> >> I've successfully created a web application with webmedia. it runs
> >> good although I'll have to clean up a few things. The question is,
> >> how do I upload the web application from the test mode in safari
> >> that webmedia creates to an actual web page on the web? i have
> >> access to idisk storage and iweb. Can it be done on them?
> >
> > Yes it can. I just made a quick test page at
> > <http://web.me.com/sarahr/RevWeb/Email_Encoder.html>.
> >
> > Here is what I did:
> >
> > 1. Create your stack and save it as a web standalone. This gives you
> 2
> > files: the revlet and a test.html file.
> > 2. Create your page in iWeb, I just used a blank page which gives me
> a
> > header and a bit of text but not much else.
> > 3. Open the test.html file in a text editor and copy all the code
> > between "<!-- Embed your revlets using code" and "<!-- Plugin
> > detection script finishes above this line -->"
> > 4. Go back to iWeb and select Widgets in the sidebar on the right.
> > 5. Drag an HTML snippet into your page and when it opens the dialog,
> > paste in the code copied from the test.html page. (If like me you had
> > a browser open at the time, the revlet will not display, but will
> warn
> > you to close other browsers - just ignore this.)
> > 6. Get iWeb to publish your site to MobileMe.
> > 7. Open your iDisk and navigate to the Sites folder in your Home
> > folder on your iDisk. You will see a folder with the same name as
> your
> > site. In that folder will be an html file with the same name as your
> > page and another folder, also with the name of your page.
> > 8. Upload the revlet to the folder with the same name as the page.
> >
> > Now visit the page and the revlet should load.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Sarah
> > _______________________________________________
> 
> works pretty much the same with RapidWeaver, except that you have to
> chose "HTML Code" as the new page template. The nav bar, and all theme
> elements work OK. The only drawback is that, this way, the "editorial"
> content of the page consists in the revlet alone. But, of course, you
> can put the text, graphics etc into the revlet.
> 
> cheers,
> Fran?ois
> 
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From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Fri Aug 28 13:49:52 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:49:52 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <AB269884-A4F6-4D85-8BBB-C142AC909FF3@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
	<AB269884-A4F6-4D85-8BBB-C142AC909FF3@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CD9AE3AF-14DE-4706-B544-042E692941D0@clubtype.co.uk>

Ian,
I missed setting up "defaultFolder" altogether, so no wonder it did  
not work.
Thanks for the tips, which also worked in OS X.
Adrian



On 28 Aug 2009, at 16:33, Ian Wood wrote:

> It's still worth doing as a test. If it works and you code doesn't,  
> then you've confirmed that it's a path issue.
>
> It's also worth doing a test standalone that answers the  
> defaultfolder, as the initial defaultfolder can't get a bit tricky  
> on OS X with the bundle.
>
> Ian
>
> On 28 Aug 2009, at 15:50, Adrian Williams wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ray, but I don't want a navigation dialog to select it, I  
>> want the app to launch automatically.
>> Adrian
>
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From joef1 at mac.com  Fri Aug 28 14:15:08 2009
From: joef1 at mac.com (Joe F.)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:15:08 -0400
Subject: Navigate to another page from revLet?
In-Reply-To: <4A9814C8.70306@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A9814C8.70306@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <710778BA-F58F-43EE-A24B-E2ED86C622FB@mac.com>

I haven't had time to play with revlets much, but this seems like too  
much of a glaring omission to be true.
Isn't it possible to get the host browser name (or window element) and  
send it something (like a URL)?

Another approach that "ought to work" is the bookmarklet scheme  
"javascript:blahblahblah".

Joe F.


On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Trevor DeVore wrote:
>
>> On Aug 28, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>> it is complicated but it can be done. First you need to have  
>>> sessions
>>> implemented, you can pass your session variable to the revlet  
>>> using  the
>>> revParams, this way, your revlet could write to RDBMS or to a CGI   
>>> saying:
>>> "hey, this session wants to go to another page" and in the page  
>>> that  loads
>>> the revlet itself, there should be a javascript that pings the   
>>> server every
>>> couple seconds sending the session variable and receiving orders,   
>>> this way,
>>> you set a three way communication where a javascript in the page   
>>> talks to
>>> the server and the revlet talks to the same server.
>> Good times :-)
>> Thanks Andre.
>
> No "do as JavaScript"?  Drag.
>
> --
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Aug 28 14:28:58 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:28:58 -0400
Subject: Navigate to another page from revLet?
In-Reply-To: <710778BA-F58F-43EE-A24B-E2ED86C622FB@mac.com>
References: <4A9814C8.70306@fourthworld.com>
	<710778BA-F58F-43EE-A24B-E2ED86C622FB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C25121E1-8871-46A2-BD6F-C408BD1C4260@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:15 PM, Joe F. wrote:

> I haven't had time to play with revlets much, but this seems like  
> too much of a glaring omission to be true.
> Isn't it possible to get the host browser name (or window element)  
> and send it something (like a URL)?

revLets are still in ALPHA. I've seen it mentioned that revlets will  
support executing javascript before release.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Aug 28 14:31:20 2009
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:31:20 +0100
Subject: Navigate to another page from revLet?
In-Reply-To: <180A7AFD-E0D6-49D4-9023-0F9F1960DBD7@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <180A7AFD-E0D6-49D4-9023-0F9F1960DBD7@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C0613D79-19BE-4E1E-8392-EB83EA9875D5@lacscentre.co.uk>

Trevor

I was interested to see whether "launch url" would open the default  
browser if you had first loaded the page in a non-default browser.  
(e.g. start in Firefox but url is launched in Safari)

But I didn't get that far. "launch url" did nothing at all in a  
revlet. (no problem in testing from the IDE) This was on OS X with  
both Safari and OS X. I take it from your mail that "launch url" does  
open a new window. What platform is this on? Is there any special  
magic that is required.

Puzzled.
Dave

On 28 Aug 2009, at 18:14, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> I am experimenting with revLets and I need to navigate to another  
> page when the user clicks on a button in the revLet. I tried launch  
> url opens a page in a new window but I'm hoping to navigate within  
> the same window. revLets can't call javascript functions available  
> to the page yet can they? Any other ideas?
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
> Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com
>
> Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email  
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From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Aug 28 14:32:47 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:32:47 -0400
Subject: Navigate to another page from revLet?
In-Reply-To: <C0613D79-19BE-4E1E-8392-EB83EA9875D5@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <180A7AFD-E0D6-49D4-9023-0F9F1960DBD7@mangomultimedia.com>
	<C0613D79-19BE-4E1E-8392-EB83EA9875D5@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BB5F6B22-E472-4796-A8F3-46C31C0A0925@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Dave Cragg wrote:

> I was interested to see whether "launch url" would open the default  
> browser if you had first loaded the page in a non-default browser.  
> (e.g. start in Firefox but url is launched in Safari)
>
> But I didn't get that far. "launch url" did nothing at all in a  
> revlet. (no problem in testing from the IDE) This was on OS X with  
> both Safari and OS X. I take it from your mail that "launch url"  
> does open a new window. What platform is this on? Is there any  
> special magic that is required.

I had to check some of the security boxes. At first I only had 1 or 2  
selected and launch url didn't work. Then I went through and checked  
all of them and it did. I'm just experimenting at this point so I  
haven't bothered to determine which security setting is required.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Aug 28 14:33:10 2009
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:33:10 +0100
Subject: Navigate to another page from revLet?
In-Reply-To: <C0613D79-19BE-4E1E-8392-EB83EA9875D5@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <180A7AFD-E0D6-49D4-9023-0F9F1960DBD7@mangomultimedia.com>
	<C0613D79-19BE-4E1E-8392-EB83EA9875D5@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E8EC7550-4A6F-400F-9003-64A24FF5805A@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 28 Aug 2009, at 19:31, Dave Cragg wrote:

> This was on OS X with both Safari and OS X.

I meant, both Safari and Firefox.

Sorry!


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Aug 28 14:43:18 2009
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:43:18 +0100
Subject: Navigate to another page from revLet?
In-Reply-To: <BB5F6B22-E472-4796-A8F3-46C31C0A0925@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <180A7AFD-E0D6-49D4-9023-0F9F1960DBD7@mangomultimedia.com>
	<C0613D79-19BE-4E1E-8392-EB83EA9875D5@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<BB5F6B22-E472-4796-A8F3-46C31C0A0925@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <ACE9790C-2D2F-4C0F-9CE6-8F596CCFACCC@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 28 Aug 2009, at 19:32, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Dave Cragg wrote:
>
>> I was interested to see whether "launch url" would open the default  
>> browser if you had first loaded the page in a non-default browser.  
>> (e.g. start in Firefox but url is launched in Safari)
>>
>> But I didn't get that far. "launch url" did nothing at all in a  
>> revlet. (no problem in testing from the IDE) This was on OS X with  
>> both Safari and OS X. I take it from your mail that "launch url"  
>> does open a new window. What platform is this on? Is there any  
>> special magic that is required.
>
> I had to check some of the security boxes. At first I only had 1 or  
> 2 selected and launch url didn't work. Then I went through and  
> checked all of them and it did. I'm just experimenting at this point  
> so I haven't bothered to determine which security setting is required.

Thanks, Trevor. I'd used the "auto" setting for selecting the security  
settings. When I manually switched everything on, it worked.

And it does launch the default browser. In my case, this is Safari. So  
when I started in Firefox, "launch url" opened the page in Safari.

Cheers
Dave


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Aug 28 15:18:44 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:18:44 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Raptor - tRev's clever, customizable property editing feature
Message-ID: <1DC99163-0785-4BD9-A749-735411AB1C76@me.com>

tRev is a new code editor for Revolution. Raptor is fiendishly clever  
feature of tRev that lets you strategically edit only those properties  
of an object that you desire.

Now you can quickly build a customized property editor for each or any  
object with a few keystrokes?and it's built right into tRev's code  
editor.

Curious? Watch the video!

Raptor - clever, customizable property editing

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Fri Aug 28 15:32:58 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:32:58 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Raptor - tRev's clever,
	customizable property editing feature
In-Reply-To: <1DC99163-0785-4BD9-A749-735411AB1C76@me.com>
References: <1DC99163-0785-4BD9-A749-735411AB1C76@me.com>
Message-ID: <9EA8CFFF-AAE4-47FE-B367-7DA215A8EE97@me.com>

Hmmm...

It appears my link to the video about Raptor did not appear in the  
email!

http://reveditor.com/raptor-clever-customizable-property-editing-0

Let's see it that worked.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:18 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> tRev is a new code editor for Revolution. Raptor is fiendishly  
> clever feature of tRev that lets you strategically edit only those  
> properties of an object that you desire.
>
> Now you can quickly build a customized property editor for each or  
> any object with a few keystrokes?and it's built right into tRev's  
> code editor.
>
> Curious? Watch the video!
>
> Raptor - clever, customizable property editing
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
> Watch tRev - The Movie
> http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
>
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Fri Aug 28 15:53:09 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:53:09 +0200
Subject: uploading a test revlet on safari to a web site
In-Reply-To: <374E285C-C72C-487E-8AC6-0DE3D4E7D10D@luceatlux.com>
References: <8CBDAEE43650637-184-1D2A@WEBMAIL-DZ01.sysops.aol.com>
	<f99b52860907251913s2a26cee2r6e2ff4dfaad3bf26@mail.gmail.com>
	<57847B45-4E39-4117-92FB-32459C4E206C@mines-paristech.fr>
	<374E285C-C72C-487E-8AC6-0DE3D4E7D10D@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <C60C384D-8C93-4F20-B2F1-83466B64B4E9@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 28 ao?t 09 ? 19:38, George C Brackett a ?crit :

> Actually, you can embed a revlet in any RapidWeaver page, with other  
> material (text, graphics, etc.) appearing above and below it.  All  
> you have to do is enter the embed code, select the code, and choose  
> 'Ignore Formatting'.
>
> I may have answered this before.  If so, please excuse me.  You can  
> see an example at http://gcb.luceatlux.com/teachablemoments.irev.
>
As jim pointed out, this leads to 404

I do not have your previous mail in my mail archive (which goes back  
to oct '07)

Could you please elaborate?

I have (in a styled text page)
a) pasted the whole code (<div> etc... + script, without style, into  
the edit window, and this does not even give the "revWeb" text in the  
browser; nothing but blank.
b) pasted the javascript (without tags) into the appropriate  
(javascript) personalized header , in the page inspector; and pasted  
(without style) the rest of the code. I get also get a blank content  
in the browser

If I paste into an HTML page, everything is OK

Of course, I can assemble the various parts (source of styled text and  
rev-originated code) in an HTML page. This way I get both parts in the  
content (I tested this one OK).

cheers,
	Fran?ois



From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Fri Aug 28 16:01:28 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:01:28 +0200
Subject: uploading a test revlet on safari to a web site
In-Reply-To: <C60C384D-8C93-4F20-B2F1-83466B64B4E9@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <8CBDAEE43650637-184-1D2A@WEBMAIL-DZ01.sysops.aol.com>
	<f99b52860907251913s2a26cee2r6e2ff4dfaad3bf26@mail.gmail.com>
	<57847B45-4E39-4117-92FB-32459C4E206C@mines-paristech.fr>
	<374E285C-C72C-487E-8AC6-0DE3D4E7D10D@luceatlux.com>
	<C60C384D-8C93-4F20-B2F1-83466B64B4E9@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <DC9DA552-2635-48AC-A023-3F02A90BBB37@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 28 ao?t 09 ? 21:53, Fran?ois Chaplais a ?crit :

>
> Le 28 ao?t 09 ? 19:38, George C Brackett a ?crit :
>
>> Actually, you can embed a revlet in any RapidWeaver page, with  
>> other material (text, graphics, etc.) appearing above and below  
>> it.  All you have to do is enter the embed code, select the code,  
>> and choose 'Ignore Formatting'.
>>
>> I may have answered this before.  If so, please excuse me.  You can  
>> see an example at http://gcb.luceatlux.com/teachablemoments.irev.
>>
> As jim pointed out, this leads to 404
>
> I do not have your previous mail in my mail archive (which goes back  
> to oct '07)
>
> Could you please elaborate?
>
> I have (in a styled text page)
> a) pasted the whole code (<div> etc... + script, without style, into  
> the edit window, and this does not even give the "revWeb" text in  
> the browser; nothing but blank.
> b) pasted the javascript (without tags) into the appropriate  
> (javascript) personalized header , in the page inspector; and pasted  
> (without style) the rest of the code. I get also get a blank content  
> in the browser
>
> If I paste into an HTML page, everything is OK
>
> Of course, I can assemble the various parts (source of styled text  
> and rev-originated code) in an HTML page. This way I get both parts  
> in the content (I tested this one OK).
>


my apologies: if I paste the code as unformatted, and select the  
pasted code with extra blank lines before and after, and do  
menu>format>ignore formatting

I get the right output.

cheers again,
	Fran?ois



From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Fri Aug 28 16:21:49 2009
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 16:21:49 EDT
Subject: Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>

Hi Revolution Lovers,

I know it's early to ask this question. Does anyone know if there are 
problems between the Apple Snow Leopard operating system and Revolution, or is it 
safe to upgrade to it?

Thanks in advance,
Joe in Orlando


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Aug 28 16:29:31 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:29:31 -0600
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>


On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:21 PM, LunchnMeets at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Revolution Lovers,
>
> I know it's early to ask this question. Does anyone know if there are
> problems between the Apple Snow Leopard operating system and  
> Revolution, or is it
> safe to upgrade to it?

None that I've seen in limited testing on a developer preview of Snow  
Leopard. Both the IDE and standalones seemed to work fine.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Aug 28 17:14:28 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 14:14:28 -0700
Subject: DragData elements
Message-ID: <4A9848B4.2030203@fourthworld.com>


I'd like to set the dragData["text"] to one value while keeping more 
detailed info for internal use in dragData["private"].

The docs seem to suggest that I can set any number of keys in the 
dragData, but in practice it seems that if I set the dragData["text"] it 
erases dragData["private"], and even querying the keys of the dragData 
returns only "text".

I couldn't turn up a report on this in the RQCC.

What am I missing?

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Fri Aug 28 17:36:11 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:36:11 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>

I've found just one gotcha so far: the RevWeb plugin does not work  
with Snow Leopard Safari.  Works okay with current version of Firefox.

With the early advent of Snow Leopard, you can bet there are going to  
be a lot of broken apps.

George

On Aug 28, 2009, at 4:29 PM, Devin Asay wrote:


On Aug 28, 2009, at 2:21 PM, LunchnMeets at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Revolution Lovers,
>
> I know it's early to ask this question. Does anyone know if there are
> problems between the Apple Snow Leopard operating system and  
> Revolution, or is it
> safe to upgrade to it?

None that I've seen in limited testing on a developer preview of Snow  
Leopard. Both the IDE and standalones seemed to work fine.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University

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From coiin at verizon.net  Fri Aug 28 17:53:24 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:53:24 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>


On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:36 PM, George C Brackett wrote:

> I've found just one gotcha so far: the RevWeb plugin does not work  
> with Snow Leopard Safari.  Works okay with current version of Firefox.

Was Safari set to 32 bit or 64 bit? Same for Firefox?




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Fri Aug 28 18:00:55 2009
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:00:55 -0400
Subject: DragData elements
In-Reply-To: <4A9848B4.2030203@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A9848B4.2030203@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8D6E1E0E-5D58-4954-8B2A-8A107810586A@mangomultimedia.com>

On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I'd like to set the dragData["text"] to one value while keeping more  
> detailed info for internal use in dragData["private"].
>
> The docs seem to suggest that I can set any number of keys in the  
> dragData, but in practice it seems that if I set the  
> dragData["text"] it erases dragData["private"], and even querying  
> the keys of the dragData returns only "text".
>
> I couldn't turn up a report on this in the RQCC.

I would like the ability to set the private data independently of the  
other keys as well. Let me know the enhancement request number once  
you file one.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com
Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Aug 28 18:10:03 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:10:03 -0700
Subject: DragData elements
Message-ID: <4A9855BB.1070707@fourthworld.com>

Trevor DeVor wrote:

> On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> I'd like to set the dragData["text"] to one value while keeping more  
>> detailed info for internal use in dragData["private"].
>>
>> The docs seem to suggest that I can set any number of keys in the  
>> dragData, but in practice it seems that if I set the  
>> dragData["text"] it erases dragData["private"], and even querying  
>> the keys of the dragData returns only "text".
>>
>> I couldn't turn up a report on this in the RQCC.
> 
> I would like the ability to set the private data independently of the  
> other keys as well. Let me know the enhancement request number once  
> you file one.

Here 'tis:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=8238>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri Aug 28 18:55:42 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 15:55:42 -0700
Subject: Rev compatibility for Windows 7 and Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <14AC92EA-1C00-4AA9-A619-2C463BBE3105@mac.com>
References: <14AC92EA-1C00-4AA9-A619-2C463BBE3105@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FCB9F5A9-9549-4E3E-9AA7-FAD254831A74@mac.com>

InfoWallet works well in Snow Leopard.

I didn't really expect a problem but I couldn't say so until I tested  
it. Its good to see how compatible Revolution is. Makes us look good.

Bill Vlahos

On Aug 25, 2009, at 11:14 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> Apple and Microsoft are about to release derivative upgrades to  
> their respective operating systems.
>
> I haven't heard much discussion about either of them on this list  
> with respect to compatibility testing of Rev programs. Has anyone  
> done testing with the beta versions and have any observations?
>
> Bill Vlahos
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 19:28:48 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:28:48 +1000
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Colin Holgate<coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:36 PM, George C Brackett wrote:
>
>> I've found just one gotcha so far: the RevWeb plugin does not work with
>> Snow Leopard Safari. ?Works okay with current version of Firefox.
>
> Was Safari set to 32 bit or 64 bit? Same for Firefox?


I have Safari set to run as 32 bit for 1Password compatibility and
revlets work fine.
I notice, checking in Activity Monitor, that Rev is not 64 bit itself,
so I presume the revWeb plugin is also 32 bit.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 19:38:15 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:38:15 +1000
Subject: Building an On-Rev Guest Book
In-Reply-To: <F00CA0AB-53BE-4847-AA29-6FB37A74E2E4@videotron.ca>
References: <20090828071650.66A1E48AA88@mail.runrev.com>
	<F00CA0AB-53BE-4847-AA29-6FB37A74E2E4@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908281638m2d4ba9c7t2aa9a0d333b765fd@mail.gmail.com>

Does the form work in the end i.e. does the new entry get added to
your guest book text file?
If so, then the only problem is that things are happening in the wrong order.

You ned to check for POST data, and if it's there, save it to the text file.
Then you need another section of irev code that reads the text file
and displays it.
If these are done in the opposite order, then you won't see the changes.

Cheers,
Sarah

P.S. If you like to send me your file off-list, I'd be happy to take a
look at it and see if I could suggest a fix.



On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Gregory
Lypny<gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:
> Thanks for responding, Sarah.
>
> Tried that but it doesn't work. ?The page displays the result of the
> form.irev code as it would be before the form is processed even if the form
> is filled and the submit button clicked. ?Perhaps I misunderstood your
> instructions. ?I changed
>
> ? ? ? ?"http://myAccount.on-rev.com/form.irev"
>
> in the form action in 2 below to
>
> ? ? ? ?"http://localhost/mySiteFolder/thePage.html" ?(Site folder on my Mac)
>
> I then put another HTML snippet on the page with the irev code
>
> ? ? ? ?<iFrame src="http://pareto.on-rev.com/form.irev">
>
> I also tried to upload the web site from my Sites folder to my www folder at
> On-Rev using the Web Disk, but I kept getting an error. ?Sigh.
>
> ? ? ? ?Gregory
>
>
>
>
> On 28-Aug-09, at 3:16 AM, Sarah wrote:
>
>> Instead of posting the form data to a separate file, post it back to
>> the file containing the form itself and have it read the post data,
>> save it and then display it all in the one file.
>>
>> So put the script you have in form.irev into an HTML snippet on the
>> original page. Then change the form action to point to whatever you
>> have called that file.
>>
>> For some On-Rev examples, check out my page at http://www.troz.net/onrev/
>> ?especially the Simple Form script.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 28/08/2009, at 7:23 AM, Gregory Lypny <gregory.lypny at videotron.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everyone,
>>>
>>> Well, I've made some progress with this whole On-Rev thing. ?I'm
>>> trying to reproduce Kevin Miller's video example of guest book form
>>> that echoes the entry and save it to a file except that I want to do
>>> it using an HTML snippet object in an iWeb page that I've got served
>>> from my Mac in the Sites folder. ?I think the HTML snippet works
>>> like an iFrame but I'm not sure if they are the same thing. ?Man,
>>> that was a mouthful and probably a pain to read, but it's just the
>>> three parts listed below.
>>>
>>> Everything works fine except that the entry is echoed in a new
>>> (blank) window rather than tacked onto the original form page as in
>>> Kevin's example. ?Can anyone tell me how I can get the entry to echo
>>> in the original form?
>>>
>>> Much obliged,
>>>
>>> ?Gregory
>>>
>>> 1. ?An iWeb site served from my Mac's Sites folder
>>>
>>> 2. ?One of the pages has the following HTML snippet:
>>>
>>> <form action="http://myAccount.on-rev.com/form.irev" ?method="post">
>>> ?-- Kevin's web form HTML code copied here
>>> </form>
>>>
>>> 3. ?The form.irev file referred to in the snippet in 2 above has the
>>> following code that processes the form.
>>>
>>> <html>
>>>
>>> <?rev
>>> put $_POST["name"] into theName
>>> put $_POST["age"] into theAge
>>> put $_POST["email"] into theEmail
>>>
>>> if theName is not empty
>>> then
>>>
>>> put theName & tab & theAge & tab & theEmail & return \
>>> after url ("file:testGuestBook.txt")
>>>
>>> put "YOUR REGISTRATION" & "</br>"
>>> put "Name:" && theName & "</br>"
>>> put "Age:" && theAge & "</br>"
>>> put "eMail:" && theEmail & "</br>"
>>> put ?"</br>" & "</br>"
>>> put "OTHER REGISTRANTS" & "</br>"
>>> put url ("file:testLogin.txt")
>>> else
>>> put "NO NAME!"
>>> end if
>>>
>>> ?>
>>>
>>> </html>
>>
>
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From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Fri Aug 28 20:40:13 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:40:13 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>

Ah, how quickly my tiny knowledge store is left behind!  How do you  
set Safari to 32 or 64 bit?  I've looked all over and can't see how.

George

On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Colin Holgate<coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:36 PM, George C Brackett wrote:
>
>> I've found just one gotcha so far: the RevWeb plugin does not work  
>> with
>> Snow Leopard Safari.  Works okay with current version of Firefox.
>
> Was Safari set to 32 bit or 64 bit? Same for Firefox?


I have Safari set to run as 32 bit for 1Password compatibility and
revlets work fine.
I notice, checking in Activity Monitor, that Rev is not 64 bit itself,
so I presume the revWeb plugin is also 32 bit.

Cheers,
Sarah
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From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Fri Aug 28 20:46:25 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:46:25 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <82935197-D788-421E-9AA9-8C7FE72E57D7@luceatlux.com>

In any case, acting on Sarah's hint about the Activity Monitor, I find  
that my Safari is running in 64-bit mode, so I guess that's the cause  
of the revlets not running.

George

On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:40 PM, George C Brackett wrote:

Ah, how quickly my tiny knowledge store is left behind!  How do you  
set Safari to 32 or 64 bit?  I've looked all over and can't see how.

George

On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Colin Holgate<coiin at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:36 PM, George C Brackett wrote:
>
>> I've found just one gotcha so far: the RevWeb plugin does not work  
>> with
>> Snow Leopard Safari.  Works okay with current version of Firefox.
>
> Was Safari set to 32 bit or 64 bit? Same for Firefox?


I have Safari set to run as 32 bit for 1Password compatibility and
revlets work fine.
I notice, checking in Activity Monitor, that Rev is not 64 bit itself,
so I presume the revWeb plugin is also 32 bit.

Cheers,
Sarah
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From coiin at verizon.net  Fri Aug 28 21:05:31 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:05:31 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <62147CDE-8A75-4D35-861C-2742184E344F@verizon.net>


On Aug 28, 2009, at 8:40 PM, George C Brackett wrote:

> Ah, how quickly my tiny knowledge store is left behind!  How do you  
> set Safari to 32 or 64 bit?  I've looked all over and can't see how.


Apparently it's in the Get Info box somewhere.




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 21:14:39 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:14:39 +1000
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908281814m251e3a9fs9fab2c8cb7ab9ec2@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:40 AM, George C
Brackett<gbrackett at luceatlux.com> wrote:
> Ah, how quickly my tiny knowledge store is left behind! ?How do you set
> Safari to 32 or 64 bit? ?I've looked all over and can't see how.

Select the Safari app's icon and "Get Info".
Check the box that says "Run in 32-bit mode"

Cheers,
Sarah


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri Aug 28 22:28:54 2009
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:28:54 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Script Colour Editor 1.1.0
Message-ID: <8708E0A2-11E6-43E2-B6C9-D51CD14DD0A2@wehostmacs.com>

Due to some confusion (and lack of docs) with the initial release, I  
have update the Script Colour Editor to make it (hopefully) easier to  
use.

INSTRUCTIONS
- Place the Rev file in your Plugins directory
- Launch Rev
- Open the plugin from the menu "Development > Plugins >  
revScriptColourEditorByShaoSean"
- Pick one of the three default colour schemes in the top drop down menu
- Modify the scheme in the data grid *
- Click the "Colourize" button

*  this does not modify the actual scheme, just creates a temporary  
custom one based on the scheme selected


NEW
- Simplified the Editor window
- Added a Front Script to intercept the "menuPick" message (yes, I  
pass it)
- Custom schemes are applied automatically to open script editor  
windows and take effect on new script editor windows


TO COME
- Custom schemes remembered across launches
- Ability to create, save and share colour schemes


DOWNLOAD
http://shaosean.tk/
http://revdevelop.com/categories/Developer_Tools/Plugins


-- 
Post your Revolution links on RevDevelop.com


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Sat Aug 29 01:03:29 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:03:29 -0400
Subject: Building an On-Rev Guest Book
In-Reply-To: <20090829004635.03D0C48B7DE@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090829004635.03D0C48B7DE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <94FCB205-DD1B-4F1B-8859-728D6EDFAACF@videotron.ca>

Hi Sarah,

Looks like it will save the entry to a file only if the form action is  
the iRev code.  But I think I've found a fix, and that is to include  
target="_self" or some other frame in the form tag.  I'm going to play  
around with it and try to incorporate some of the neat code from your  
web site.  Thank you for taking the time and the kind offer to look at  
the file in detail.  I'm hoping I won't have to trouble you with that.

Regards,

	Gregory



Thank you for the kind offer.
On Fri 28 Aug 2009, at 8:46 PM, use-revolution- 
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Does the form work in the end i.e. does the new entry get added to
> your guest book text file?
> If so, then the only problem is that things are happening in the  
> wrong order.
>
> You ned to check for POST data, and if it's there, save it to the  
> text file.
> Then you need another section of irev code that reads the text file
> and displays it.
> If these are done in the opposite order, then you won't see the  
> changes.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
> P.S. If you like to send me your file off-list, I'd be happy to take a
> look at it and see if I could suggest a fix.



From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Sat Aug 29 02:15:37 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 07:15:37 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>

Progress, but my double use of "it" causing a NilObjectException  
problem?
Is there a way to avoid using "it"?

on mouseUp
set the defaultFolder to it
launch "myWindowsApp.exe"
launch it

answer "Continue" with "OK"
if it is "OK" then
quit
end mouseUp

Thanks,
Adrian



On 28 Aug 2009, at 15:57, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Adrian Williams wrote:
>> Thanks Ray, but I don't want a navigation dialog to select it, I  
>> want the app to launch automatically.
>> Adrian
>
> The problem is probably a path issue. If you are only referring to  
> the application by its short file name, then make sure the  
> defaultFolder is set to the one containing your standalone.  
> Alternately you can construct a full file path by getting your  
> standalone's mainstack file name and replacing the last item after  
> the final slash with your second app's name.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Sat Aug 29 02:35:27 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?utf-8?Q?Fran=C3=A7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:35:27 +0200
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
Message-ID: <D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>

Correct me if I am wrong, but rev is carbon, and carbon did not make  
the jump to 64 bits. Moving to 64 bits requires cocoa and hence  
objective-c.

There are other vendors in the same situation: Microsoft said they  
would move Office to cocoa; Adobe did not say anything, although their  
products would certainely profit from the switch to 64 bits.

Cheers,
         Fran?ois

Envoy? de mon iPhone

Le 29 ao?t 2009 ? 02:40, George C Brackett <gbrackett at luceatlux.com>  
a ?crit :

> Ah, how quickly my tiny knowledge store is left behind!  How do you  
> set Safari to 32 or 64 bit?  I've looked all over and can't see how.
>
> George
>
> On Aug 28, 2009, at 7:28 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Colin Holgate<coiin at verizon.net>  
> wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 28, 2009, at 5:36 PM, George C Brackett wrote:
>>
>>> I've found just one gotcha so far: the RevWeb plugin does not work  
>>> with
>>> Snow Leopard Safari.  Works okay with current version of Firefox.
>>
>> Was Safari set to 32 bit or 64 bit? Same for Firefox?
>
>
> I have Safari set to run as 32 bit for 1Password compatibility and
> revlets work fine.
> I notice, checking in Activity Monitor, that Rev is not 64 bit itself,
> so I presume the revWeb plugin is also 32 bit.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sat Aug 29 06:17:27 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:17:27 +0100
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
	<D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <8B569891-0C1B-49F6-B705-373693FBAE97@azurevision.co.uk>

QTVR support has been dropped from QT X. :-(

Ian


From mazzapaolo at libero.it  Sat Aug 29 06:22:26 2009
From: mazzapaolo at libero.it (mazzapaolo at libero.it)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:22:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: Snow Leopard and QuickTimeX
Message-ID: <6379728.1319641251541346470.JavaMail.root@wmail31>

...talking about Snow Leopard ....
as you probably know in Snow Leopard there 
is a brand new QuickTime X . Many things are different from the previous 
player.

In particular, Apple removed  the item "Export movies" from the menu 
of  the QuickTime X player  and, at the same time, Apple removed many 
AppleScript commands for the QuickTime application. 

So, it is not  possible 
anymore to export movies in different formats from Quicktime X (except for 
iPhone and AppleTV) . 

However, if you install the "magic " EnhancedQuicktime 
library of Trevor (released many years ago for rev 2.6), you can still export  
Quickltme movies in different formats. Isn't great?  
Just for this reason (and 
many  other  reasons) it could be a tremendous opportunity to have a new and 
comprehensive QuickTIme library for Revolution.

Best,

Paolo Mazza



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sat Aug 29 06:33:31 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:33:31 +0100
Subject: Snow Leopard and QuickTimeX
In-Reply-To: <6379728.1319641251541346470.JavaMail.root@wmail31>
References: <6379728.1319641251541346470.JavaMail.root@wmail31>
Message-ID: <0A52DE86-52BE-4DBE-93FF-709DB272A45B@azurevision.co.uk>



On 29 Aug 2009, at 11:22, "mazzapaolo at libero.it" <mazzapaolo at libero.it>
>
> In particular, Apple removed  the item "Export movies" from the menu
> of  the QuickTime X player  and, at the same time, Apple removed many
> AppleScript commands for the QuickTime application

The install DVD includes QT7 Player in the optional installs, which is  
supposed to recognise existing Pro licences. I've not had a chance to  
test this as SL has been on my external HD for an hour and I'm about  
to leave for Edinburgh...

Ian


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 07:21:50 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:21:50 +1000
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>
	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>
	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>
	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>
	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908290421l735c62b9q28a571127723f39a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Adrian Williams<adrian at clubtype.co.uk> wrote:
> Progress, but my double use of "it" causing a NilObjectException problem?
> Is there a way to avoid using "it"?
>
> on mouseUp
> set the defaultFolder to it
> launch "myWindowsApp.exe"
> launch it

"it" varies all the time depending on what is happening. Are you sure
it is set to a folder path before this mouseUp?
And then it apparently changes to an application or document path
since you then "launch" using "it".

Sorry, but I don;t understand what you are trying to do. When you
listed these three lines in an earlier email, I assumed they were
three separate examples. I didn't realise you were actually using them
in a sequence.

I think you need to be much more specific about what folder you want
to use and what you want to launch. Relying on "it" retaining a
consistent value is a bad idea.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 07:47:23 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:47:23 +1000
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
	<D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908290447s13d3b348pf94df5a042cdbb0e@mail.gmail.com>

2009/8/29 Fran?ois Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr>:
> Correct me if I am wrong, but rev is carbon, and carbon did not make the
> jump to 64 bits. Moving to 64 bits requires cocoa and hence objective-c.

I could be wrong too, but as I understood it, the apps that appeared
as bundles were "Cocoa", which the apps that were in single file were
"Carbon". On this basis, Rev & the standalones it creates are Cocoa &
not Carbon.

Sarah


From rene.micout at numericable.com  Sat Aug 29 10:51:22 2009
From: rene.micout at numericable.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Micout?=)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:51:22 +0200
Subject: Snow Leopard and QuickTimeX
In-Reply-To: <6379728.1319641251541346470.JavaMail.root@wmail31>
References: <6379728.1319641251541346470.JavaMail.root@wmail31>
Message-ID: <A33AB0A3-66EC-44D3-99D2-7AECC2513972@numericable.com>

Hello,
and PlayCommand agentX (Shakobox) witch use QuickTime and AppleScript  
can still working well ?
Thanks
Bons souvenirs de paris
Ren?

Le 29 ao?t 09 ? 12:22, mazzapaolo at libero.it a ?crit :

> In particular, Apple removed  the item "Export movies" from the menu
> of  the QuickTime X player  and, at the same time, Apple removed many
> AppleScript commands for the QuickTime application.



From coiin at verizon.net  Sat Aug 29 11:04:17 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:04:17 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908290447s13d3b348pf94df5a042cdbb0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
	<D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>
	<f99b52860908290447s13d3b348pf94df5a042cdbb0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D05CB2A0-9BB2-4756-B6E7-F46E09BC4BA9@verizon.net>


On Aug 29, 2009, at 7:47 AM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> I could be wrong too, but as I understood it, the apps that appeared
> as bundles were "Cocoa", which the apps that were in single file were
> "Carbon". On this basis, Rev & the standalones it creates are Cocoa &
> not Carbon.


Also, the Cocoa detecting trick of trying to scroll things when the  
app is in the background, works fine with Rev scroll bars.




From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Aug 29 13:20:14 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:20:14 +0200
Subject: another PHP-Revlet question
Message-ID: <38B8A588-A6DF-4FAE-A47C-B334FF1D1D1E@skynet.be>

Hi list

I have a PHP function which needs an argument and this PHP function  
returns an answer

How can I post an argument to a PHP function and recover the return  
value of the PHP function ?
The classic post command doesn't give the answer in a rev variable

Thanks.


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From psahores at free.fr  Sat Aug 29 14:15:31 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:15:31 +0200
Subject: another PHP-Revlet question
In-Reply-To: <38B8A588-A6DF-4FAE-A47C-B334FF1D1D1E@skynet.be>
References: <38B8A588-A6DF-4FAE-A47C-B334FF1D1D1E@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <2A319F57-E645-4C85-8721-B362903EFD0E@free.fr>

Hi Yves,

Should this help as a starter point (javascript support needed) ?

form2.irev :

<html>
<head><title>iphplib</title>
</head>
<body>
	
<form action="httpr2.php" method="post">
<p>Type in this field<br>
<input type="text" name="textfield">
<p><input type="submit" value="Check">
</form>
	
</body>
</html>

httpr2.php :

<html><body>
	
	Please, wait...
		
	<?php
	
	$exAE = "";
	while (list($header, $value) = each($_POST)) $exAE .= "$header= 
$value&";
	echo '<form name="toirev" action="httpl2.irev" method="post"  
id="toirev_id"><input type="hidden" name="contents"  
value=&'.urlencode($exAE).'></form>';
	
	?>
		
	<script language="JavaScript">
	   document.forms['toirev'].submit();
	</script>
	
</body></html>

httpl2.irev :

<html>
<head>
<title>iPHPLib</title>	
</head>
<body>
	
<?rev

	repeat for each key k in $_POST
		put k & "=" & urldecode($_POST[k]) & "&" after aaa
	end repeat
			
	if aaa is not ""
	then put "<fieldset class=contact><table><tr><td>" & aaa & "</td></ 
tr></table></fieldset>"
	else put "<fieldset class=contact><table><tr><td>" & "souci..." & "</ 
td></tr></table></fieldset>"

?>

</body>
</html>

Let me know. If not, there is a second way to go (without js support  
need) in using curl

Best Regards,

Pierre


> Hi list
>
> I have a PHP function which needs an argument and this PHP function  
> returns an answer
>
> How can I post an argument to a PHP function and recover the return  
> value of the PHP function ?
> The classic post command doesn't give the answer in a rev variable
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 14:27:31 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:27:31 +0300
Subject: How to finish one's summer holiday . . .
Message-ID: <4A997313.6040600@gmail.com>

Packing the suitcase . . .

Visiting the barber . . .

Fitting new straps on kilt to take into account effects of middle-aged 
spread . . . [Oh, dear, the
truth is leaking out . . . well better the truth than . . . luckily have 
now done the straps.]

Should be in Edinburgh on Monday, ready for the "full nausea" early on 
Tuesday!

Be there, or be square!

Richmond Mathewson.


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Aug 29 14:55:29 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 20:55:29 +0200
Subject: another PHP-Revlet question
In-Reply-To: <2A319F57-E645-4C85-8721-B362903EFD0E@free.fr>
References: <38B8A588-A6DF-4FAE-A47C-B334FF1D1D1E@skynet.be>
	<2A319F57-E645-4C85-8721-B362903EFD0E@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4D0F3E9D-FF29-4E13-8E16-8C8621BD7753@skynet.be>


Le 29-ao?t-09 ? 20:15, Pierre Sahores a ?crit :

> Hi Yves,
>
> Should this help as a starter point (javascript support needed) ?
>
> form2.irev :
>
> <html>
> <head><title>iphplib</title>
> </head>
> <body>
> 	
> <form action="httpr2.php" method="post">
> <p>Type in this field<br>
> <input type="text" name="textfield">
> <p><input type="submit" value="Check">
> </form>
> 	
> </body>
> </html>
>
> httpr2.php :
>
> <html><body>
> 	
> 	Please, wait...
> 		
> 	<?php
> 	
> 	$exAE = "";
> 	while (list($header, $value) = each($_POST)) $exAE .= "$header= 
> $value&";
> 	echo '<form name="toirev" action="httpl2.irev" method="post"  
> id="toirev_id"><input type="hidden" name="contents"  
> value=&'.urlencode($exAE).'></form>';
> 	
> 	?>
> 		
> 	<script language="JavaScript">
> 	   document.forms['toirev'].submit();
> 	</script>
> 	
> </body></html>
>
> httpl2.irev :
>
> <html>
> <head>
> <title>iPHPLib</title>	
> </head>
> <body>
> 	
> <?rev
>
> 	repeat for each key k in $_POST
> 		put k & "=" & urldecode($_POST[k]) & "&" after aaa
> 	end repeat
> 			
> 	if aaa is not ""
> 	then put "<fieldset class=contact><table><tr><td>" & aaa & "</td></ 
> tr></table></fieldset>"
> 	else put "<fieldset class=contact><table><tr><td>" & "souci..." &  
> "</td></tr></table></fieldset>"
>
> ?>
>
> </body>
> </html>
>
> Let me know. If not, there is a second way to go (without js support  
> need) in using curl
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Pierre


Re Pierre,

my goal is not to use a js code

Just a script in a revlet handler

for example

for a php command, I use

    put "myVar=" & urlEncode(fld "myFld") &"&adresse=" &  
urlEncode(tadresse) into myString
    post myString to URL "http://www.mondomaine.com/codefile.php"

for a function I write

put "http://www.mondomaine.com/myfunctionfile.php" into tURL
put URL("File:"&tURL) into myNewVar


but

now I have to post a var to a function and recover the result of the  
PHP function !

so I have to mix something between a post or a put


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Aug 29 16:04:13 2009
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:04:13 -0400
Subject: Help with Valentina
Message-ID: <459b22a90908291304t5d65aea4sdc4cd7965590a4f4@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using Valentina office server and I get this error:
15:44:42.871585 (2691630880): SSL PRIVATE KEY OR CERTIFICATE ERROR
15:44:42.871674 (2691630880): Server terminated

Does anyone have an idea what that might mean?


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sat Aug 29 16:23:22 2009
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:23:22 +0100
Subject: another PHP-Revlet question
In-Reply-To: <4D0F3E9D-FF29-4E13-8E16-8C8621BD7753@skynet.be>
References: <38B8A588-A6DF-4FAE-A47C-B334FF1D1D1E@skynet.be>
	<2A319F57-E645-4C85-8721-B362903EFD0E@free.fr>
	<4D0F3E9D-FF29-4E13-8E16-8C8621BD7753@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <FF27426C-FB26-43B6-A12C-FFAE73CAD25D@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 29 Aug 2009, at 19:55, Yves COPPE wrote:
>
> for a php command, I use
>
>   put "myVar=" & urlEncode(fld "myFld") &"&adresse=" &  
> urlEncode(tadresse) into myString
>   post myString to URL "http://www.mondomaine.com/codefile.php"
>
> for a function I write
>
> put "http://www.mondomaine.com/myfunctionfile.php" into tURL
> put URL("File:"&tURL) into myNewVar
>
>
> but
>
> now I have to post a var to a function and recover the result of the  
> PHP function !
>
> so I have to mix something between a post or a put

Is this what you want?

put "myVar=" & urlEncode(fld "myFld") &"&adresse=" &  
urlEncode(tadresse) into myString
post myString to URL "http://www.mondomaine.com/codefile.php"
put it into myNewVar

Cheers
Dave

From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Sat Aug 29 16:26:11 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:26:11 +0200
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908290447s13d3b348pf94df5a042cdbb0e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
	<D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>
	<f99b52860908290447s13d3b348pf94df5a042cdbb0e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22CDF5B1-38D4-45A4-9CE3-54F3F86742FA@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 29 ao?t 09 ? 13:47, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> 2009/8/29 Fran?ois Chaplais <francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr>:
>> Correct me if I am wrong, but rev is carbon, and carbon did not  
>> make the
>> jump to 64 bits. Moving to 64 bits requires cocoa and hence  
>> objective-c.
>
> I could be wrong too, but as I understood it, the apps that appeared
> as bundles were "Cocoa", which the apps that were in single file were
> "Carbon". On this basis, Rev & the standalones it creates are Cocoa &
> not Carbon.
>

Photoshop 7 is a bundle, with "MacOSClassic" and "MacOS" folders in  
the "Contents" folder of the bundle.
so IMHO, the existence of a bundle does not imply cocoa.

Fran?ois
	



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sat Aug 29 16:26:05 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:26:05 +0100
Subject: another PHP-Revlet question
In-Reply-To: <38B8A588-A6DF-4FAE-A47C-B334FF1D1D1E@skynet.be>
References: <38B8A588-A6DF-4FAE-A47C-B334FF1D1D1E@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <460200DE-D693-488F-B9A1-4EEDDC4714DC@azurevision.co.uk>

One approach would be to save the function as a PHP file, then have  
something like:

put URL ("http://yourserver.com/script.php?targument) into tResult

Not tested but it should work.

Ian

On 29 Aug 2009, at 18:20, Yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be> wrote:

> Hi list
>
> I have a PHP function which needs an argument and this PHP function  
> returns an answer
>
> How can I post an argument to a PHP function and recover the return  
> value of the PHP function ?
> The classic post command doesn't give the answer in a rev variable
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From coiin at verizon.net  Sat Aug 29 16:52:48 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:52:48 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <22CDF5B1-38D4-45A4-9CE3-54F3F86742FA@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
	<D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>
	<f99b52860908290447s13d3b348pf94df5a042cdbb0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<22CDF5B1-38D4-45A4-9CE3-54F3F86742FA@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <42FFAE21-764E-45C5-B2E7-5ABC856E94E0@verizon.net>


On Aug 29, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:

> Photoshop 7 is a bundle, with "MacOSClassic" and "MacOS" folders in  
> the "Contents" folder of the bundle.
> so IMHO, the existence of a bundle does not imply cocoa.

The operating of scroll bars in the background is Cocoa only though,  
isn't it?




From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sat Aug 29 16:54:53 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:54:53 +0100
Subject: QTVR + Rev + SL = crash (was: Snow Leopard)
In-Reply-To: <8B569891-0C1B-49F6-B705-373693FBAE97@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
	<D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>
	<8B569891-0C1B-49F6-B705-373693FBAE97@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3E4831EF-26F1-4C3C-B7DB-0DADFE886659@azurevision.co.uk>

Oh cr*p.

Just tested in Rev Studio 3.5 gm2 and RevMedia 4.0.0 on 10.6:
Make new stack.
Add a QT Player object from the tools palette.
Open inspector, click on source/filename button.
Choose a QTVR file on the HD, click 'Open' in the file dialog.
Instant crash for Rev, every time, with regular report window.

EDIT for comparison purposes I just tried some regular video files  
from a variety of sources and they are giving the same crash.

I'll submit a proper bug report when a better net connection is  
nearby, but until then, has anyone successfully opened anything in a  
player object on 10.6? Even JPEGs are crashing it!

:-(

Ian

On 29 Aug 2009, at 11:17, Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk> wrote:

> QTVR support has been dropped from QT X. :-(
>
> Ian
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sat Aug 29 16:55:43 2009
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (william humphrey)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:55:43 -0400
Subject: Help with Valentina
In-Reply-To: <459b22a90908291304t5d65aea4sdc4cd7965590a4f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <459b22a90908291304t5d65aea4sdc4cd7965590a4f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <459b22a90908291355k488c02dewc3cc938a99957040@mail.gmail.com>

Hi
This was answered on the Valentina forum. In case anyone is wondering - it
turns out the SSL error was caused by two missing ".pem" files

Bill


On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 4:04 PM, william humphrey <
bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:

> I'm using Valentina office server and I get this error:
> 15:44:42.871585 (2691630880): SSL PRIVATE KEY OR CERTIFICATE ERROR
> 15:44:42.871674 (2691630880): Server terminated
>
> Does anyone have an idea what that might mean?
>



-- 
http://www.bluewatermaritime.com


From christian.langers at education.lu  Sat Aug 29 17:20:41 2009
From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:20:41 +0200
Subject: another PHP-Revlet question
In-Reply-To: <4D0F3E9D-FF29-4E13-8E16-8C8621BD7753@skynet.be>
References: <38B8A588-A6DF-4FAE-A47C-B334FF1D1D1E@skynet.be>	<2A319F57-E645-4C85-8721-B362903EFD0E@free.fr>
	<4D0F3E9D-FF29-4E13-8E16-8C8621BD7753@skynet.be>
Message-ID: <4A999BA9.2000007@education.lu>

Hi Yves,

may it be :

put "http://www.mondomaine.com/myfunctionfile.php?var="&urlencode(tVar) 
into tURL
put URL("File:"&tURL) into myNewVar

using $_GET["var"] in PHP and echo the result ?


Greets,

Christian


On 29/08/09 20:55, Yves COPPE wrote:
>
> Le 29-ao?t-09 ? 20:15, Pierre Sahores a ?crit :
>
>> Hi Yves,
>>
>> Should this help as a starter point (javascript support needed) ?
>>
>> form2.irev :
>>
>> <html>
>> <head><title>iphplib</title>
>> </head>
>> <body>
>>
>> <form action="httpr2.php" method="post">
>> <p>Type in this field<br>
>> <input type="text" name="textfield">
>> <p><input type="submit" value="Check">
>> </form>
>>
>> </body>
>> </html>
>>
>> httpr2.php :
>>
>> <html><body>
>>
>>     Please, wait...
>>
>> <?php
>>
>>     $exAE = "";
>>     while (list($header, $value) = each($_POST)) $exAE .= 
>> "$header=$value&";
>>     echo '<form name="toirev" action="httpl2.irev" method="post" 
>> id="toirev_id"><input type="hidden" name="contents" 
>> value=&'.urlencode($exAE).'></form>';
>>
>>     ?>
>>
>> <script language="JavaScript">
>>        document.forms['toirev'].submit();
>> </script>
>>
>> </body></html>
>>
>> httpl2.irev :
>>
>> <html>
>> <head>
>> <title>iPHPLib</title>
>> </head>
>> <body>
>>
>> <?rev
>>
>>     repeat for each key k in $_POST
>>         put k & "=" & urldecode($_POST[k]) & "&" after aaa
>>     end repeat
>>
>>     if aaa is not ""
>>     then put "<fieldset class=contact><table><tr><td>" & aaa & 
>> "</td></tr></table></fieldset>"
>>     else put "<fieldset class=contact><table><tr><td>" & "souci..." & 
>> "</td></tr></table></fieldset>"
>>
>> ?>
>>
>> </body>
>> </html>
>>
>> Let me know. If not, there is a second way to go (without js support 
>> need) in using curl
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Pierre
>
>
> Re Pierre,
>
> my goal is not to use a js code
>
> Just a script in a revlet handler
>
> for example
>
> for a php command, I use
>
>    put "myVar=" & urlEncode(fld "myFld") &"&adresse=" & 
> urlEncode(tadresse) into myString
>    post myString to URL "http://www.mondomaine.com/codefile.php"
>
> for a function I write
>
> put "http://www.mondomaine.com/myfunctionfile.php" into tURL
> put URL("File:"&tURL) into myNewVar
>
>
> but
>
> now I have to post a var to a function and recover the result of the 
> PHP function !
>
> so I have to mix something between a post or a put
>
>
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
> yvescoppe at skynet.be
>
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From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr  Sat Aug 29 17:31:20 2009
From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:31:20 +0200
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <42FFAE21-764E-45C5-B2E7-5ABC856E94E0@verizon.net>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
	<D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>
	<f99b52860908290447s13d3b348pf94df5a042cdbb0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<22CDF5B1-38D4-45A4-9CE3-54F3F86742FA@mines-paristech.fr>
	<42FFAE21-764E-45C5-B2E7-5ABC856E94E0@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <0335F95F-E82D-4126-A52C-B5BAB3F4DF04@mines-paristech.fr>


Le 29 ao?t 09 ? 22:52, Colin Holgate a ?crit :

>
> On Aug 29, 2009, at 4:26 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>
>> Photoshop 7 is a bundle, with "MacOSClassic" and "MacOS" folders in  
>> the "Contents" folder of the bundle.
>> so IMHO, the existence of a bundle does not imply cocoa.
>
> The operating of scroll bars in the background is Cocoa only though,  
> isn't it?
>

I do not know myself. Of course, the two statements are not  
contradictory. An answer to this question would be welcome from the  
mothership. Also, some clarification about the "compile" button in the  
IDE, and also on the nature of standalones. I do not have many stack  
projects, but the one I am working on runs significantly as a  
standalone (say, almost twice as fast). Where does the benefit come  
from?

cheers,
	Fran?ois



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Aug 29 17:51:41 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:51:41 -0700
Subject: Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <4A99A2ED.9070605@fourthworld.com>

Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>> I could be wrong too, but as I understood it, the apps that appeared
>> as bundles were "Cocoa", which the apps that were in single file were
>> "Carbon". On this basis, Rev & the standalones it creates are Cocoa &
>> not Carbon.
> 
> Photoshop 7 is a bundle, with "MacOSClassic" and "MacOS" folders in  
> the "Contents" folder of the bundle.
> so IMHO, the existence of a bundle does not imply cocoa.

I believe that's correct: the Mach-O bundle format is independent of the 
framework used to develop the application.

In older OS X apps you could identify Cocoa apps by the presence of 
*.nib (NeXTstep Interface Builder) files in the Resources folder inside 
the bundle.  But with more recent Cocoa apps I believe you'll find a 
file named "CodeResources" just inside the bundle.

With the long history of the Rev code base and its multi-platform 
nature, I doubt it's being built with the Cocoa framework.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From coiin at verizon.net  Sat Aug 29 17:53:23 2009
From: coiin at verizon.net (Colin Holgate)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:53:23 -0400
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <0335F95F-E82D-4126-A52C-B5BAB3F4DF04@mines-paristech.fr>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
	<D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>
	<f99b52860908290447s13d3b348pf94df5a042cdbb0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<22CDF5B1-38D4-45A4-9CE3-54F3F86742FA@mines-paristech.fr>
	<42FFAE21-764E-45C5-B2E7-5ABC856E94E0@verizon.net>
	<0335F95F-E82D-4126-A52C-B5BAB3F4DF04@mines-paristech.fr>
Message-ID: <1C2485E3-9CB2-4AF8-B80D-44F7ABF8DCBF@verizon.net>


On Aug 29, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:

> An answer to this question would be welcome from the mothership.

Yes, come on Kevin, don't tell me you're busy preparing for something...




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Aug 29 17:52:56 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:52:56 -0700
Subject: Snow Leopard
Message-ID: <4A99A338.90706@fourthworld.com>

Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>> I could be wrong too, but as I understood it, the apps that appeared
>> as bundles were "Cocoa", which the apps that were in single file were
>> "Carbon". On this basis, Rev & the standalones it creates are Cocoa &
>> not Carbon.
> 
> Photoshop 7 is a bundle, with "MacOSClassic" and "MacOS" folders in  
> the "Contents" folder of the bundle.
> so IMHO, the existence of a bundle does not imply cocoa.

I believe that's correct: the Mach-O bundle format is independent of the 
framework used to develop the application.

In older OS X apps you could identify Cocoa apps by the presence of 
*.nib (NeXTstep Interface Builder) files in the Resources folder inside 
the bundle.  But with more recent Cocoa apps I believe you'll find a 
file named "CodeResources" just inside the bundle.

With the long history of the Rev code base and its multi-platform 
nature, I doubt it's being built with the Cocoa framework.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 29 18:38:36 2009
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 15:38:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: "Unable to open stack" from Finder
Message-ID: <507258.2977.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hey, in Rev Studio 3.5, if I try and double click on a stack when Rev is already open I get a dialog that states, "Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file."

The funny thing is, these stacks are not corrupted. If I open them by using File, Open they open just fine. Also, if Rev is not already running and I double click them from the Finder, they open just fine too.

Has anyone else seen this behavior? Any ideas about how to correct it?

Side note: I just tested this with Rev 3.0 and Rev 2.9 (using right-click, Open With) from the Finder, and the same behavior. Never used to have this problem.


      


From katir at hindu.org  Sat Aug 29 18:50:48 2009
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 12:50:48 -1000
Subject: another PHP-Revlet question
In-Reply-To: <4A999BA9.2000007@education.lu>
References: <38B8A588-A6DF-4FAE-A47C-B334FF1D1D1E@skynet.be>	<2A319F57-E645-4C85-8721-B362903EFD0E@free.fr>	<4D0F3E9D-FF29-4E13-8E16-8C8621BD7753@skynet.be>
	<4A999BA9.2000007@education.lu>
Message-ID: <4A99B0C8.1080406@hindu.org>

Yves:

I second Dave's idea. Are you sure "it" does not have what you need:

  POST tUploadData to url tURL
  put it into tServerResponse

I use this a lot...

(not tested in revlet)

Christian Langers wrote:
> Hi Yves,
>
> may it be :
>
> put 
> "http://www.mondomaine.com/myfunctionfile.php?var="&urlencode(tVar) 
> into tURL
> put URL("File:"&tURL) into myNewVar
>
> using $_GET["var"] in PHP and echo the result ?
>
>
> Greets,
>
> Christian
>
>


From jim at visitrieve.com  Sat Aug 29 19:12:50 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:12:50 -1000
Subject: RIAs ie. Revlets
In-Reply-To: <4A99A338.90706@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A99A338.90706@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <007c01ca28fe$3b5c2820$b2147860$@com>

Dear Everyone,

Been giving a lot of thought to what people would expect and what looks good
as an RIA (Rich Internet Application) which is basically what a revlet or
stack running inside a browser is.

For example, fixed width is OK, but fixed height is not really. Typical
desktop menus don't translate well into the look and feel people expect on
the web. RIAs are generally like an editor, that has all the functionality
of say a MS Word, but is embedded in a webpage without all the menus and
structure of an MS Word.

Anybody been playing with any design ideas?

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Aug 29 19:18:34 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:18:34 -0700
Subject: RIAs ie. Revlets
Message-ID: <4A99B74A.1000609@fourthworld.com>

Jim Bufalini wrote:
> Been giving a lot of thought to what people would expect and what looks good
> as an RIA (Rich Internet Application) which is basically what a revlet or
> stack running inside a browser is.
> 
> For example, fixed width is OK, but fixed height is not really. Typical
> desktop menus don't translate well into the look and feel people expect on
> the web. RIAs are generally like an editor, that has all the functionality
> of say a MS Word, but is embedded in a webpage without all the menus and
> structure of an MS Word.

It would be nice if we could get a resizeStack message when the 
containing element's size changes.  Good idea.

At a minimum it would be very good to have scaling as Flash supports; 
useful in some desktop apps too:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6589>


--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From jim at visitrieve.com  Sat Aug 29 19:27:04 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:27:04 -1000
Subject: RIAs ie. Revlets
In-Reply-To: <4A99B74A.1000609@fourthworld.com>
References: <4A99B74A.1000609@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <007d01ca2900$3894b8d0$a9be2a70$@com>

Voted :-)

> It would be nice if we could get a resizeStack message when the
> containing element's size changes.  Good idea.
> 
> At a minimum it would be very good to have scaling as Flash supports;
> useful in some desktop apps too:
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=6589>
> 
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World
>   Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
>   Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 19:34:54 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:34:54 +1000
Subject: "Unable to open stack" from Finder
In-Reply-To: <507258.2977.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <507258.2977.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908291634w694ddf19x69f693129bfdd365@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Russell Martin<russell_martin at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey, in Rev Studio 3.5, if I try and double click on a stack when Rev is already open I get a dialog that states, "Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file."
>
> The funny thing is, these stacks are not corrupted. If I open them by using File, Open they open just fine. Also, if Rev is not already running and I double click them from the Finder, they open just fine too.
>
> Has anyone else seen this behavior? Any ideas about how to correct it?
>
> Side note: I just tested this with Rev 3.0 and Rev 2.9 (using right-click, Open With) from the Finder, and the same behavior. Never used to have this problem.


Just encountered this myself. Are you running Snow Leopard?

Sarah


From peterwawood at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 19:47:00 2009
From: peterwawood at gmail.com (Peter W A Wood)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:47:00 +0800
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <1C2485E3-9CB2-4AF8-B80D-44F7ABF8DCBF@verizon.net>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
	<D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>
	<f99b52860908290447s13d3b348pf94df5a042cdbb0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<22CDF5B1-38D4-45A4-9CE3-54F3F86742FA@mines-paristech.fr>
	<42FFAE21-764E-45C5-B2E7-5ABC856E94E0@verizon.net>
	<0335F95F-E82D-4126-A52C-B5BAB3F4DF04@mines-paristech.fr>
	<1C2485E3-9CB2-4AF8-B80D-44F7ABF8DCBF@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <82A0D898-6CD6-4AAD-A8CC-CA124032DB53@gmail.com>

I think there can be little doubt that Revolution is a Carbon  
application. The easiest way to tell is when the old black & white  
"busy" cursor can be seen. I've certainly seen it whilst using the  
Revolution IDE and I guess it can be seen from Revolution apps.

Regards

Peter

On 30 Aug 2009, at 05:53, Colin Holgate wrote:

>
> On Aug 29, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>
>> An answer to this question would be welcome from the mothership.
>
> Yes, come on Kevin, don't tell me you're busy preparing for  
> something...
>
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Sat Aug 29 19:51:41 2009
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 17:51:41 -0600
Subject: "Unable to open stack" from Finder
In-Reply-To: <507258.2977.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <507258.2977.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F84E8B83-40B9-4C67-B50C-A992C60B2052@byu.edu>


On Aug 29, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Russell Martin wrote:

> Hey, in Rev Studio 3.5, if I try and double click on a stack when  
> Rev is already open I get a dialog that states, "Unable to open  
> stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file."
>
> The funny thing is, these stacks are not corrupted. If I open them  
> by using File, Open they open just fine. Also, if Rev is not already  
> running and I double click them from the Finder, they open just fine  
> too.
>
> Has anyone else seen this behavior? Any ideas about how to correct it?
>
> Side note: I just tested this with Rev 3.0 and Rev 2.9 (using right- 
> click, Open With) from the Finder, and the same behavior. Never used  
> to have this problem.

This is reminiscent of the error message you get when you try to open  
a post-v. 2.7 stack with an earlier version of Rev. Is that a  
possibility? For example, double-clicking a stack to open it might  
very well launch an old version of Rev.

devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 29 19:52:27 2009
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:52:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: "Unable to open stack" from Finder
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908291634w694ddf19x69f693129bfdd365@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <497327.35885.qm@web110218.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I am running Snow Leopard. I just installed it yesterday. And, I'm not sure if I had this problem before upgrading or not. I wanna think I did and that I noticed this problem a few days ago before upgrading, but I don't trust my memory on this.

--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: "Unable to open stack" from Finder
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 5:34 PM
> On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:38 AM,
> Russell Martin<russell_martin at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > Hey, in Rev Studio 3.5, if I try and double click on a
> stack when Rev is already open I get a dialog that states,
> "Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~
> backup file."
> >
> > The funny thing is, these stacks are not corrupted. If
> I open them by using File, Open they open just fine. Also,
> if Rev is not already running and I double click them from
> the Finder, they open just fine too.
> >
> > Has anyone else seen this behavior? Any ideas about
> how to correct it?
> >
> > Side note: I just tested this with Rev 3.0 and Rev 2.9
> (using right-click, Open With) from the Finder, and the same
> behavior. Never used to have this problem.
> 
> 
> Just encountered this myself. Are you running Snow
> Leopard?
> 
> Sarah
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From russell_martin at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 29 19:53:53 2009
From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:53:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: "Unable to open stack" from Finder
In-Reply-To: <F84E8B83-40B9-4C67-B50C-A992C60B2052@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <465769.32077.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

It's definitely attempting to open the stack in the already open and running version of Rev.

--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> From: Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu>
> Subject: Re: "Unable to open stack" from Finder
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Saturday, August 29, 2009, 5:51 PM
> 
> On Aug 29, 2009, at 4:38 PM, Russell Martin wrote:
> 
> > Hey, in Rev Studio 3.5, if I try and double click on a
> stack when Rev is already open I get a dialog that states,
> "Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~
> backup file."
> > 
> > The funny thing is, these stacks are not corrupted. If
> I open them by using File, Open they open just fine. Also,
> if Rev is not already running and I double click them from
> the Finder, they open just fine too.
> > 
> > Has anyone else seen this behavior? Any ideas about
> how to correct it?
> > 
> > Side note: I just tested this with Rev 3.0 and Rev 2.9
> (using right-click, Open With) from the Finder, and the same
> behavior. Never used to have this problem.
> 
> This is reminiscent of the error message you get when you
> try to open a post-v. 2.7 stack with an earlier version of
> Rev. Is that a possibility? For example, double-clicking a
> stack to open it might very well launch an old version of
> Rev.
> 
> devin
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Aug 29 19:56:14 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:56:14 +1000
Subject: "Unable to open stack" from Finder
In-Reply-To: <507258.2977.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <507258.2977.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908291656g25938a46s3c3d727fc1b431e2@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Russell Martin<russell_martin at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey, in Rev Studio 3.5, if I try and double click on a stack when Rev is already open I get a dialog that states, "Unable to open stack: stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file."
>
> The funny thing is, these stacks are not corrupted. If I open them by using File, Open they open just fine. Also, if Rev is not already running and I double click them from the Finder, they open just fine too.


Here are the results of my tests:

- Opening any stack from the File menu works.
- Double-clicking a stack file if Revolution is not already open works.
- Double-clicking a stack file with Revolution already open does not work.

And if you are using the tRev script editor:
- Using tRev to start Revolution works.
- Opening tRev after Revolution is running does not work.

"Not working" means that you get a dialog saying that a stack file
could not be opened because it was corrupt. This is NOT true, so don't
panic, just use another method of opening it. The most reliable method
is to launch tRev if using it, or launch Revolution if not. Then open
stacks by choosing them from the File menu, using either Open Stack...
or Open Recent File.

Hopefully the mother ship will comment on & fix this soon.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sun Aug 30 01:28:23 2009
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (jim sims)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:28:23 +0200
Subject: Windows monitor resolution
Message-ID: <3850DDD4-B6CE-43B8-85F9-A1673A7977F8@ezpzapps.com>

I usually us a Mac, but I have a crappy XP machine with a CRT that I  
do testing with. I use this machine as a low range, base sort of test  
vehicle. The best it can do is 1280x1024 resolution.


What resolution are most of your Windows apps planned for?

What is the most common resolution that your users use?


sims


From modelmasters1 at cox.net  Sun Aug 30 01:49:51 2009
From: modelmasters1 at cox.net (William Moseid)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:49:51 -0700
Subject: A Mac Question
Message-ID: <6878043EEAC44CCF94645D05DA05037A@BillPC>

Hi All,

Am new to Revolution. How do I remove Galaxy from my Mac (OSX 10.5.8) am running Rev Enterprise,
as I have the latest tRev.

Best,

William

William Roger Moseid
64 Glenalmond Lane
Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
Model Masters
bill at fmpsolutions.com
sales at fmpsolutions.com
modelmasters at fmpsolutions.com
modelmasters1 at cox.net
951-970-6271 (Cell)
206-497-2575 (MagicJack - Internet Phone)


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The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.

http://www.eset.com



From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Sun Aug 30 01:53:49 2009
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:53:49 -0700
Subject: A Mac Question
In-Reply-To: <6878043EEAC44CCF94645D05DA05037A@BillPC>
References: <6878043EEAC44CCF94645D05DA05037A@BillPC>
Message-ID: <A530F305-0224-4234-9083-78D07E36D723@cruzio.com>

You should direct your query to Jerry Daniels.

http://daniels-mara.com/

Mark

On Aug 29, 2009, at 10:49 PM, William Moseid wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Am new to Revolution. How do I remove Galaxy from my Mac (OSX  
> 10.5.8) am running Rev Enterprise,
> as I have the latest tRev.
>
> Best,
>
> William
>
> William Roger Moseid
> 64 Glenalmond Lane
> Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
> Model Masters
> bill at fmpsolutions.com
> sales at fmpsolutions.com
> modelmasters at fmpsolutions.com
> modelmasters1 at cox.net
> 951-970-6271 (Cell)
> 206-497-2575 (MagicJack - Internet Phone)
>
>
> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus  
> signature database 4380 (20090829) __________
>
> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security.
>
> http://www.eset.com
>
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun Aug 30 02:51:31 2009
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:51:31 -0700
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <82A0D898-6CD6-4AAD-A8CC-CA124032DB53@gmail.com>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
	<D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>
	<f99b52860908290447s13d3b348pf94df5a042cdbb0e@mail.gmail.com>
	<22CDF5B1-38D4-45A4-9CE3-54F3F86742FA@mines-paristech.fr>
	<42FFAE21-764E-45C5-B2E7-5ABC856E94E0@verizon.net>
	<0335F95F-E82D-4126-A52C-B5BAB3F4DF04@mines-paristech.fr>
	<1C2485E3-9CB2-4AF8-B80D-44F7ABF8DCBF@verizon.net>
	<82A0D898-6CD6-4AAD-A8CC-CA124032DB53@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AE553481-8599-4149-9939-B0876B9518D9@mac.com>

I believe Rev is a Cocoa app and has been for a little while.

Bill Vlahos

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 29, 2009, at 4:47 PM, Peter W A Wood <peterwawood at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> I think there can be little doubt that Revolution is a Carbon  
> application. The easiest way to tell is when the old black & white  
> "busy" cursor can be seen. I've certainly seen it whilst using the  
> Revolution IDE and I guess it can be seen from Revolution apps.
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
> On 30 Aug 2009, at 05:53, Colin Holgate wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 29, 2009, at 5:31 PM, Fran?ois Chaplais wrote:
>>
>>> An answer to this question would be welcome from the mothership.
>>
>> Yes, come on Kevin, don't tell me you're busy preparing for  
>> something...
>>
>>
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From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 03:52:04 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:52:04 +0300
Subject: Windows monitor resolution
In-Reply-To: <3850DDD4-B6CE-43B8-85F9-A1673A7977F8@ezpzapps.com>
References: <3850DDD4-B6CE-43B8-85F9-A1673A7977F8@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <4A9A2FA4.4090809@gmail.com>

jim sims wrote:
> I usually us a Mac, but I have a crappy XP machine with a CRT that I 
> do testing with. I use this machine as a low range, base sort of test 
> vehicle. The best it can do is 1280x1024 resolution.
>
>
> What resolution are most of your Windows apps planned for?
>
> What is the most common resolution that your users use?
>
>
> sims
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I always make my apps for 1024 x 768 regardless of the target platform.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Aug 30 04:02:22 2009
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:02:22 -0700
Subject: Windows monitor resolution
Message-ID: <4A9A320E.8060903@fourthworld.com>

jim sims wrote:

> What resolution are most of your Windows apps planned for? 
> What is the most common resolution that your users use?

<http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp>

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World
  Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com
  Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com


From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Sun Aug 30 04:56:55 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:56:55 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>
	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>

Still having the error 'NilObjectException the application must shut  
down' when using the 'launch' command.
Looks like the target app to launch is producing the error on Windows  
Vista.
Here is the relevant code that tries to launch...

set the defaultFolder to it
launch "MyProgram.exe"
launch it

The docs say "...To work with a Unix process, use the shell function  
instead."

get shell("start MyProgram.exe")

So should I be using this instead?
Any ideas about this error?

Thanks,
Adrian
______________________
Club Type
http://www.clubtype.co.uk
<adrian at clubtype.co.uk>





From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun Aug 30 04:57:38 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 22:57:38 -1000
Subject: Windows monitor resolution
In-Reply-To: <3850DDD4-B6CE-43B8-85F9-A1673A7977F8@ezpzapps.com>
References: <3850DDD4-B6CE-43B8-85F9-A1673A7977F8@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <000e01ca294f$edc29cf0$c947d6d0$@com>

Jim Sims wrote:
 
> I usually us a Mac, but I have a crappy XP machine with a CRT that I
> do testing with. I use this machine as a low range, base sort of test
> vehicle. The best it can do is 1280x1024 resolution.
> 
> 
> What resolution are most of your Windows apps planned for?
> 
> What is the most common resolution that your users use?

Today, 1024x768 is a very safe resolution to target. Even those that still
have their monitors set to 800x600 generally have the ability to up it to at
least this.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From psahores at free.fr  Sun Aug 30 05:07:22 2009
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:07:22 +0200
Subject: Windows monitor resolution
In-Reply-To: <4A9A2FA4.4090809@gmail.com>
References: <3850DDD4-B6CE-43B8-85F9-A1673A7977F8@ezpzapps.com>
	<4A9A2FA4.4090809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40AE7E9B-C9C2-49E8-A7FB-9F7828DC2A8C@free.fr>

As a survey's output of one of my asp's app :

1.
1440x900
173
45,17 %
2.
1024x768
83
21,67 %
3.
1280x1024
25
6,53 %
4.
1280x800
23
6,01 %
5.
1440x829
18
4,70 %
6.
1680x1050
16
4,18 %
7.
800x600
8
2,09 %
8.
1152x864
7
1,83 %
9.
1920x1200
5
1,31 %
10.
1280x960
4
1,04 %
11.
1366x768
3
0,78 %
12.
1024x819
2
0,52 %
13.
1088x612
2
0,52 %
14.
1280x720
2
0,52 %
15.
1280x768
2
0,52 %
16.
1024x640
1
0,26 %
17.
1067x667
1
0,26 %
18.
1344x840
1
0,26 %
19.
1600x900
1
0,26 %
20.
1843x1037
1
0,26 %
21.
2560x1600
1
0,26 %
22.
320x396
1
0,26 %
23.
819x614
1
0,26 %
24.
853x480
1
0,26 %
25.
986x616
1
0,26 %

Best,


Le 30 ao?t 09 ? 09:52, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> jim sims wrote:
>> I usually us a Mac, but I have a crappy XP machine with a CRT that  
>> I do testing with. I use this machine as a low range, base sort of  
>> test vehicle. The best it can do is 1280x1024 resolution.
>>
>>
>> What resolution are most of your Windows apps planned for?
>>
>> What is the most common resolution that your users use?
>>
>>
>> sims
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>>
> I always make my apps for 1024 x 768 regardless of the target  
> platform.
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun Aug 30 05:10:39 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:10:39 -1000
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>
	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>

Adrian Williams wrote:

> Still having the error 'NilObjectException the application must shut
> down' when using the 'launch' command.
> Looks like the target app to launch is producing the error on Windows
> Vista.
> Here is the relevant code that tries to launch...
> 
> set the defaultFolder to it
> launch "MyProgram.exe"
> launch it
> 
> The docs say "...To work with a Unix process, use the shell function
> instead."
> 
> get shell("start MyProgram.exe")
> 
> So should I be using this instead?
> Any ideas about this error?

Stop using "it."  Your code snippet does not show what "it" is set to. What
is the default folder being set to? What are you launching? Why do you have
two launch statements?

Try:

Put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
Set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir the EXE is
in here
Launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here
Set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the defaultFolder back
where it was

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini







From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun Aug 30 05:17:55 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:17:55 -1000
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>
	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>
Message-ID: <001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>

Everything wrapped. :-( Should have looked like this:

> Stop using "it."  Your code snippet does not show what "it" is set to.
> What is the default folder being set to? What are you launching? Why do
you
> have two launch statements?
> 
> Try:
> 
> put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
> set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir the EXE
is in here
> launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here
> set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the defaultFolder back
where it was
> 
> Aloha from Hawaii
> 
> Jim Bufalini





From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 05:26:29 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:26:29 +0300
Subject: Windows monitor resolution
In-Reply-To: <40AE7E9B-C9C2-49E8-A7FB-9F7828DC2A8C@free.fr>
References: <3850DDD4-B6CE-43B8-85F9-A1673A7977F8@ezpzapps.com>	<4A9A2FA4.4090809@gmail.com>
	<40AE7E9B-C9C2-49E8-A7FB-9F7828DC2A8C@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4A9A45C5.3020105@gmail.com>

I don't know how useful this is:

Did a quick survey with the 30-odd kids I teach about 2 months
ago (all but 2 run Windows XP at home; 2 run Mint Linux):

1024 x 768 every time!

In my school:

3 machines running Ubuntu:  1024 x 768

Notary's office down the road (4 x Windows 2000 and 1 x Ubuntu):

4 at 1024 x 768, 1 at 1280 x 1024

1 G3 iMac:  1024 x 768

We run (at home):

MacMini PPC:  1024 x 768 (hey, wow, it still runs with that
                            monitor I fished out of a rubbish bin in 
front of Tesco
                            in St Andrews 7 years ago!)

G4 Windtunnel:  1st monitor at 1400 x 1050
                                 2nd monitor at 1024 x 768

No-name-bits-n-bobs P4 running Ubuntu: 1024 x 768

G4 iBook: 1024 x 768

P2 running DOS with GEM GUI: 800 x 600

SO: unless you are going to send me a standalone to run with DOS
[ and I only have the blasted thing ($5) because the Bulgarian Dept.
of education think it is a good thing to drag 15 year olds through
PASCAL ] . . . . . . .



From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 05:40:29 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 10:40:29 +0100
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
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Am I right in understanding that end users need to make a decision as
to whether or not Safari/Firefox runs as 32 bit or 64 bit?

In my experience most users don't understand what things like this
mean. Or even what it means for an app to be PPC, Intel or Universal
Binary (last week I had to spend 10 minutes explaining that difference
to a long-time Mac user).

If the need for setting browsers to run as 32 bit is true then anyone
relying on distributing Rev apps is in for a lot of support calls --
especially if browsers on Snow Leopard are running as 32 bit by
default.

The only appropriate solution to this would be for RunRev to build 64
bit versions of at least revlets, and to be able to do some browser
detection and offer the user the appropriate revlet.

Bernard

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Sarah
Reichelt<sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Was Safari set to 32 bit or 64 bit? Same for Firefox?


From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun Aug 30 06:09:10 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:09:10 -1000
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>
	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>
Message-ID: <001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>

LOL. Let me try double spacing. My email client is obviously still messed
from a couple months ago when I had a total network-wide crash of all my
computers.

Try:


put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder

set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir the exe is
in here

launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here

set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the defaultFolder back
where it was



Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini





From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Sun Aug 30 06:09:56 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:09:56 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>
	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>
	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>
Message-ID: <B310179F-843E-422C-9843-393A0B0E87A6@clubtype.co.uk>

Jim,
The docs give the "it" example - so I used it verbatim.
There are not two launch statements.
The 'get shell' is a script in another button I was trying too. But I  
got the same error.
Guess this is all to do with the defaultFolder.
The reason I wanted to use "it" was that I have no way to know the  
actual pathname.
Whilst there are ways to get this, I wanted to keep it real simple,  
because after all, everything is in the same folder.

Is it necessary to 'put' and 'set' the defaultFolder if the full  
pathname is not used?

Thanks,
Adrian


On 30 Aug 2009, at 10:17, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> Everything wrapped. :-( Should have looked like this:
>
>> Stop using "it."  Your code snippet does not show what "it" is set  
>> to.
>> What is the default folder being set to? What are you launching?  
>> Why do
> you
>> have two launch statements?
>>
>> Try:
>>
>> put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
>> set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir  
>> the EXE
> is in here
>> launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here
>> set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the  
>> defaultFolder back
> where it was
>>
>> Aloha from Hawaii
>>
>> Jim Bufalini
>
>
>
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Aug 30 06:12:29 2009
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:12:29 +0200
Subject: another PHP-Revlet question
In-Reply-To: <4A99B0C8.1080406@hindu.org>
References: <38B8A588-A6DF-4FAE-A47C-B334FF1D1D1E@skynet.be>	<2A319F57-E645-4C85-8721-B362903EFD0E@free.fr>	<4D0F3E9D-FF29-4E13-8E16-8C8621BD7753@skynet.be>
	<4A999BA9.2000007@education.lu> <4A99B0C8.1080406@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <956DCEEF-63E9-4C05-A8CE-9276CEC2534A@skynet.be>


Le 30-ao?t-09 ? 00:50, Sivakatirswami a ?crit :

> Yves:
>
> I second Dave's idea. Are you sure "it" does not have what you need:
>
> POST tUploadData to url tURL
> put it into tServerResponse
>
> I use this a lot...
>
> (not tested in revlet)
>
> Christian Langers wrote:
>> Hi Yves,
>>
>> may it be :
>>
>> put "http://www.mondomaine.com/myfunctionfile.php? 
>> var="&urlencode(tVar) into tURL
>> put URL("File:"&tURL) into myNewVar
>>
>> using $_GET["var"] in PHP and echo the result ?
>>
>>
>> Greets,
>>
>> Christian
>>
>>


Hi list,

Thanks for the many answers


if I use the script above (with POST) , I get an answer

BUT

if I use a php function with as last line of the PHP code :return $var;
I get in my "it" variable the ext of the function !!

if I use the same php function with as last line of the PHP code :  
echo $var;
then I get the appropriate answer

srange ? but it works


Greetings.

Yves COPPE
yvescoppe at skynet.be



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 30 06:12:56 2009
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:12:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0908300240t35b8dcecyaee9e48b92400f27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <295964.221.qm@web65411.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

What the RunRev team could do, is offer a 64-bit version of the plug-in, while leaving the revWebPlayer application itself in 32-bit - that's the advantage of using a separate helper application inside which to run the actual stacks.

Jan Schenkel
=====
Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Bernard Devlin <bdrunrev at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Snow Leopard
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Sunday, August 30, 2009, 2:40 AM
> Am I right in understanding that end
> users need to make a decision as
> to whether or not Safari/Firefox runs as 32 bit or 64 bit?
> 
> In my experience most users don't understand what things
> like this
> mean. Or even what it means for an app to be PPC, Intel or
> Universal
> Binary (last week I had to spend 10 minutes explaining that
> difference
> to a long-time Mac user).
> 
> If the need for setting browsers to run as 32 bit is true
> then anyone
> relying on distributing Rev apps is in for a lot of support
> calls --
> especially if browsers on Snow Leopard are running as 32
> bit by
> default.
> 
> The only appropriate solution to this would be for RunRev
> to build 64
> bit versions of at least revlets, and to be able to do some
> browser
> detection and offer the user the appropriate revlet.
> 
> Bernard
> 
> On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:28 AM, Sarah
> Reichelt<sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Was Safari set to 32 bit or 64 bit? Same for
> Firefox?
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From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Sun Aug 30 06:34:10 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:34:10 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>
	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>
	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
Message-ID: <5276AA18-76C6-4590-99DC-58B1DE230AE7@clubtype.co.uk>

Jim,
Double spacing works for me.
I don't want to give an explicit full pathname because someone else  
(user) will be saving the Folder
(containing all the exe's for use) and I cannot guarantee it will be  
in the path I might specify.
Thought I could save requiring full pathname by the use of the docs  
example:

set the defaultFolder to it
launch "MyProgram.exe"
launch it

So are the docs are really incomplete by not giving a full contextual  
example.
Does the code need to be:
put defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
set the defaultFolder --(what do I put here as the actual directory if  
its not a full pathname?)
launch "MyProgram.exe"
set the tOrigDefaultFolder

If so, do I still need to specify a full pathname, or can I somehow  
refer to the defaultFolder

Thanks,
Adrian

On 30 Aug 2009, at 11:09, Jim Bufalini wrote:

> LOL. Let me try double spacing. My email client is obviously still  
> messed
> from a couple months ago when I had a total network-wide crash of  
> all my
> computers.
>
> Try:
>
>
> put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
>
> set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir the  
> exe is
> in here
>
> launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here
>
> set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the  
> defaultFolder back
> where it was
>
>
>
> Aloha from Hawaii
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
>
>
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 06:43:01 2009
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:43:01 +0900
Subject: A Mac Question
In-Reply-To: <A530F305-0224-4234-9083-78D07E36D723@cruzio.com>
References: <6878043EEAC44CCF94645D05DA05037A@BillPC>
	<A530F305-0224-4234-9083-78D07E36D723@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70908300343g30a5aae4k356eff051722dda@mail.gmail.com>

What I did when I was testing out tRev was go to the Plugins folder
and move everything labelled GLX or Galaxy to another folder. Then,
when I reverted to GLX-use only, I moved all of those things back into
the Plugins folder.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sun Aug 30 06:43:01 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:43:01 +0100
Subject: QTVR + Rev + SL = crash (was: Snow Leopard)
In-Reply-To: <3E4831EF-26F1-4C3C-B7DB-0DADFE886659@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<D4D0AAEC-8F4D-43B6-828D-B6E089C41FCA@luceatlux.com>
	<D98FD36D-D86F-47AA-A40F-BEF5953AAA35@mines-paristech.fr>
	<8B569891-0C1B-49F6-B705-373693FBAE97@azurevision.co.uk>
	<3E4831EF-26F1-4C3C-B7DB-0DADFE886659@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CC5D6C9C-B811-4639-881C-8FBBD2EEF55B@azurevision.co.uk>

False alarm - it was an old version of Default Folder X causing the  
problems...

Ian

On 29 Aug 2009, at 21:54, Ian Wood wrote:

> Oh cr*p.
>
> Just tested in Rev Studio 3.5 gm2 and RevMedia 4.0.0 on 10.6:
> Make new stack.
> Add a QT Player object from the tools palette.
> Open inspector, click on source/filename button.
> Choose a QTVR file on the HD, click 'Open' in the file dialog.
> Instant crash for Rev, every time, with regular report window.
>
> EDIT for comparison purposes I just tried some regular video files  
> from a variety of sources and they are giving the same crash.
>
> I'll submit a proper bug report when a better net connection is  
> nearby, but until then, has anyone successfully opened anything in a  
> player object on 10.6? Even JPEGs are crashing it!
>
> :-(
>
> Ian
>
> On 29 Aug 2009, at 11:17, Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> QTVR support has been dropped from QT X. :-(
>>
>> Ian
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun Aug 30 06:59:25 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:59:25 -1000
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <B310179F-843E-422C-9843-393A0B0E87A6@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>
	<B310179F-843E-422C-9843-393A0B0E87A6@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001e01ca2960$f0f29770$d2d7c650$@com>

Dear Adrian,

> Jim,
> The docs give the "it" example - so I used it verbatim.

In general, my stock advise is don't use "it" unless you are absolutely sure
that "it" has just been set (as in right after a get). There are too many
handlers that set "it." When you get to using sends and communications, it's
a tossup as to what is actually in "it."

> There are not two launch statements.

Your snippet had:

> launch "MyProgram.exe"

> launch it

I see the word launch twice. Maybe I'm getting old and double vision? ;-)


> The 'get shell' is a script in another button I was trying too. But I
> got the same error.
> Guess this is all to do with the defaultFolder.
> The reason I wanted to use "it" was that I have no way to know the
> actual pathname.

YOU don't know the pathname? RunRev is a programming language, not a
psychic.

> Whilst there are ways to get this, I wanted to keep it real simple,
> because after all, everything is in the same folder.

Same folder? Which folder? When running in the IDE, the defaultFolder is
going to be where you launched Revolution.exe from. After you build a
standalone, it will be where your EXE launches from. Better to be explicit.
Simplicity is actually taking the time to not waste time.

> 
> Is it necessary to 'put' and 'set' the defaultFolder if the full
> pathname is not used?

The put and set from/to tOrigDefaultFolder, in my example, in not necessary.
It's just good practice. Setting the defaultFolder is persistent, which
unlike some other sets revert at the end of a handler. So, setting the
itemDelimiter will revert after a handler finishes, but the defaultFolder
won't. 

Sometime in the future, it's a good bet that you will write a handler that
"assumes" the default directory. If you have changed it because of some
external program you needed to call today, which you will no doubt forget
you did 4-weeks from now, you will be posting to this list again, then
asking why something else "doesn't work." ;-) 

Again, simplicity is actually taking the time to not waste time.

Aloha from Hawaii

Jim Bufalini 





From jim at visitrieve.com  Sun Aug 30 07:11:43 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:11:43 -1000
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <5276AA18-76C6-4590-99DC-58B1DE230AE7@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
	<5276AA18-76C6-4590-99DC-58B1DE230AE7@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <001f01ca2962$a8d47470$fa7d5d50$@com>

Dear Adrian,

> Jim,
> Double spacing works for me.

Apologies for the poorly formatted posts. 

> I don't want to give an explicit full pathname because someone else
> (user) will be saving the Folder
> (containing all the exe's for use) and I cannot guarantee it will be
> in the path I might specify.

So, you need to grab the path and filename they specify, at the time they
specify it, and store it somewhere. 

> Thought I could save requiring full pathname by the use of the docs
> example:
> 
> set the defaultFolder to it
> launch "MyProgram.exe"
> launch it

Nope. Now I understand what you are thinking. You thought by using "it,"
RunRev would magically find the location of an EXE on a user's hard drive
and launch it. Doesn't work that way. You have to know where it is.

> So are the docs are really incomplete by not giving a full contextual
> example.

Docs are hard to write because the writer writes to an audience level but
the audience can be outside the considerations of the writer.

> Does the code need to be:
> put defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
> set the defaultFolder --(what do I put here as the actual directory if
> its not a full pathname?)

You need to store it when the user saves and recall here.

> launch "MyProgram.exe"
> set the tOrigDefaultFolder
> 
> If so, do I still need to specify a full pathname, or can I somehow
> refer to the defaultFolder

You need to specify the full path name. This is so in any programming
language.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From gbrackett at luceatlux.com  Sun Aug 30 09:15:25 2009
From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:15:25 -0400
Subject: Conference schedule
Message-ID: <B7385B10-1E40-4E10-82B9-53DCD3394EC6@luceatlux.com>

To help plan your viewing of the RunRevLive09 webcasts, here's where  
to view the schedule:

http://www.runrevlive.com/schedule/day-zero/
http://www.runrevlive.com/schedule/day-one/
http://www.runrevlive.com/schedule/day-two/

There's also http://www.runrevlive.com/schedule/day-plus/, but it says  
very little, naturally.

George



From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sun Aug 30 09:42:16 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 08:42:16 -0500
Subject: A Mac Question
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70908300343g30a5aae4k356eff051722dda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6878043EEAC44CCF94645D05DA05037A@BillPC>
	<A530F305-0224-4234-9083-78D07E36D723@cruzio.com>
	<1e91b2b70908300343g30a5aae4k356eff051722dda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <805E1213-AD23-43BF-A273-CC6FD726C761@me.com>

Nicolas,

It's really easy to stop GLX2 from being part of Revolution.

There is only ONE file that makes GLX2 work:

GLX2 Code.rev

Move it from, or compress it in the third party plugins folder and  
GLX2 no longer comes alive when you start Revolution.

Best,

Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie

On Aug 30, 2009, at 5:43 AM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> What I did when I was testing out tRev was go to the Plugins folder
> and move everything labelled GLX or Galaxy to another folder. Then,
> when I reverted to GLX-use only, I moved all of those things back into
> the Plugins folder.
>
> --
> Nicolas Cueto
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From iangmcknight at googlemail.com  Sun Aug 30 10:30:31 2009
From: iangmcknight at googlemail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:30:31 +0100
Subject: Backdrop hiding standalone window
Message-ID: <c935444f0908300730t2b4ffc2cx46860a98a26edcff@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I have a stack with a menu option to hide/show the backdrop In the IDE
everything works as it should, however, in the standalone things
don't. Specifically when the backdrop is visible and I drag the
standalone's window it goes 'behind' the backdrop. The only way to
regain control of the app then is to force quit from the Task Manager
and run the app again.

I put the following handler in the card script of each card in the
stack, hoping that it would bring the stack back to the front again,
with no affect.

on mouseDownInBackdrop
    toplevel stack "backdropTest"
end mousedowninbackdrop

I searched the Quality Centre for related problems but came up empty.
Has anyone else experienced this? Is there a workaround?
At present I have had to disable the Show/Hide option in the menu bar
but I would like to be able to provide it.

I'm using revEnterprise 4.0 on Windows XP sp3

Thanks in advance.


Regards


Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at googlemail.com
=======================


From richmondmathewson at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 11:05:39 2009
From: richmondmathewson at gmail.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:05:39 +0300
Subject: Backdrop hiding standalone window
In-Reply-To: <c935444f0908300730t2b4ffc2cx46860a98a26edcff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c935444f0908300730t2b4ffc2cx46860a98a26edcff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A9A9543.2050705@gmail.com>

Just get rid of the backdrop: more trouble than it's worth and can
really cheese-off end-users who may want to access stuff on their
desktop at the same time as your app is running.

OR, if you really feel the urge to have some sort of backdrop
use a vast substack with a neutral colour/texture that gets "pushed"
to the back when it is opened; make sure it stays there even when
end-users click on it:

http://mathewson.110mb.com/FILEZ/Backdrop-O-Matic.rev.zip

Ian McKnight wrote:
> Hi
>
> I have a stack with a menu option to hide/show the backdrop In the IDE
> everything works as it should, however, in the standalone things
> don't. Specifically when the backdrop is visible and I drag the
> standalone's window it goes 'behind' the backdrop. The only way to
> regain control of the app then is to force quit from the Task Manager
> and run the app again.
>
> I put the following handler in the card script of each card in the
> stack, hoping that it would bring the stack back to the front again,
> with no affect.
>
> on mouseDownInBackdrop
>     toplevel stack "backdropTest"
> end mousedowninbackdrop
>
> I searched the Quality Centre for related problems but came up empty.
> Has anyone else experienced this? Is there a workaround?
> At present I have had to disable the Show/Hide option in the menu bar
> but I would like to be able to provide it.
>
> I'm using revEnterprise 4.0 on Windows XP sp3
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Ian McKnight
>
> iangmcknight at googlemail.com
> =======================
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>   



From iangmcknight at googlemail.com  Sun Aug 30 11:22:45 2009
From: iangmcknight at googlemail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:22:45 +0100
Subject: Backdrop hiding standalone window
In-Reply-To: <4A9A9543.2050705@gmail.com>
References: <c935444f0908300730t2b4ffc2cx46860a98a26edcff@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A9A9543.2050705@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c935444f0908300822j6955651aq316074487cd523@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Richmond

Thanks for the quick reply and the example stack.  I'm incorporating
its ideas into my stack almost as I type!



2009/8/30 Richmond Mathewson <richmondmathewson at gmail.com>:
> Just get rid of the backdrop: more trouble than it's worth and can
> really cheese-off end-users who may want to access stuff on their
> desktop at the same time as your app is running.
>
> OR, if you really feel the urge to have some sort of backdrop
> use a vast substack with a neutral colour/texture that gets "pushed"
> to the back when it is opened; make sure it stays there even when
> end-users click on it:
>
> http://mathewson.110mb.com/FILEZ/Backdrop-O-Matic.rev.zip
>
> Ian McKnight wrote:
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> I have a stack with a menu option to hide/show the backdrop In the IDE
>> everything works as it should, however, in the standalone things
>> don't. Specifically when the backdrop is visible and I drag the
>> standalone's window it goes 'behind' the backdrop. The only way to
>> regain control of the app then is to force quit from the Task Manager
>> and run the app again.
>>
>> I put the following handler in the card script of each card in the
>> stack, hoping that it would bring the stack back to the front again,
>> with no affect.
>>
>> on mouseDownInBackdrop
>> ? ?toplevel stack "backdropTest"
>> end mousedowninbackdrop
>>
>> I searched the Quality Centre for related problems but came up empty.
>> Has anyone else experienced this? Is there a workaround?
>> At present I have had to disable the Show/Hide option in the menu bar
>> but I would like to be able to provide it.
>>
>> I'm using revEnterprise 4.0 on Windows XP sp3
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Ian McKnight
>>
>> iangmcknight at googlemail.com
>> =======================
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-- 
Regards


Ian McKnight

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=======================


From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Sun Aug 30 12:18:03 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:18:03 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>
	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>
	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
Message-ID: <441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>

Jim,
When defaultFolder is set to a valid path "C:\Program Files\MyApp.exe"  
my code works.
Is there a way to retrieve the location of the Folder in which the  
current application is running.
Then set deafultFolder to that?
Thanks for your perseverance with me on this topic.
Adrian

On 30 Aug 2009, at 11:09, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>
> Try:
>
> put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
>
> set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir the  
> exe is
> in here
>
> launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here
>
> set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the  
> defaultFolder back
> where it was



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Aug 30 12:24:23 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:24:23 -0500
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>

I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of code:

FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
    put the filename of this stack into the theFile
    set the itemdelimiter to slash
    put pFile into the last item of theFile
    return theFile
END getPathToFile

To use:
put getPathFile(filename you want to launch) into tFile
launch tFile

That should do it.

len morgan

Adrian Williams wrote:
> Jim,
> When defaultFolder is set to a valid path "C:\Program Files\MyApp.exe" 
> my code works.
> Is there a way to retrieve the location of the Folder in which the 
> current application is running.
> Then set deafultFolder to that?
> Thanks for your perseverance with me on this topic.
> Adrian
>
> On 30 Aug 2009, at 11:09, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>>
>> Try:
>>
>> put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
>>
>> set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir the 
>> exe is
>> in here
>>
>> launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here
>>
>> set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the defaultFolder 
>> back
>> where it was
>
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From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Sun Aug 30 12:54:20 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:54:20 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>
	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <7ABD6CCC-5B97-4472-9880-A39C7F09D099@clubtype.co.uk>

Len,
Thanks for this. Looks like just what I need!
I guess the FUNCTION can go in on openStack and the 'put' part in a  
card or button script?
Adrian


On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:

> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of code:
>
> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>   put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>   set the itemdelimiter to slash
>   put pFile into the last item of theFile
>   return theFile
> END getPathToFile
>
> To use:
> put getPathFile(filename you want to launch) into tFile
> launch tFile
>
> That should do it.
>
> len morgan
>
> Adrian Williams wrote:
>> Jim,
>> When defaultFolder is set to a valid path "C:\Program Files 
>> \MyApp.exe" my code works.
>> Is there a way to retrieve the location of the Folder in which the  
>> current application is running.
>> Then set deafultFolder to that?
>> Thanks for your perseverance with me on this topic.
>> Adrian
>>
>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 11:09, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>>>
>>> Try:
>>>
>>> put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
>>>
>>> set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir  
>>> the exe is
>>> in here
>>>
>>> launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here
>>>
>>> set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the  
>>> defaultFolder back
>>> where it was
>>
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Aug 30 13:30:16 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:30:16 -0500
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <7ABD6CCC-5B97-4472-9880-A39C7F09D099@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
	<7ABD6CCC-5B97-4472-9880-A39C7F09D099@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A9AB728.4080203@crcom.net>

Adrian,

Yes, you can define the function anywhere you like as long as it's in 
the message path when you want to execute it.  But you don't DEFINE the 
function in the "openStack." That is a function (handler actually) all 
it's own but you can define it in the same script.  Remember that it's 
going to be CALLED when you need it.  Since the file name of this stack 
isn't going to change, the FUNCTION should be able to execute it at any 
time.

len

Adrian Williams wrote:
> Len,
> Thanks for this. Looks like just what I need!
> I guess the FUNCTION can go in on openStack and the 'put' part in a 
> card or button script?
> Adrian
>
>
> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>
>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of code:
>>
>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>   put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>   set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>   put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>   return theFile
>> END getPathToFile
>>
>> To use:
>> put getPathFile(filename you want to launch) into tFile
>> launch tFile
>>
>> That should do it.
>>
>> len morgan
>>
>> Adrian Williams wrote:
>>> Jim,
>>> When defaultFolder is set to a valid path "C:\Program 
>>> Files\MyApp.exe" my code works.
>>> Is there a way to retrieve the location of the Folder in which the 
>>> current application is running.
>>> Then set deafultFolder to that?
>>> Thanks for your perseverance with me on this topic.
>>> Adrian
>>>
>>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 11:09, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Try:
>>>>
>>>> put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
>>>>
>>>> set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir 
>>>> the exe is
>>>> in here
>>>>
>>>> launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here
>>>>
>>>> set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the 
>>>> defaultFolder back
>>>> where it was
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
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From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Sun Aug 30 13:48:28 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:48:28 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A9AB728.4080203@crcom.net>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
	<7ABD6CCC-5B97-4472-9880-A39C7F09D099@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9AB728.4080203@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <C1DF5FA2-0690-4C28-BD79-02ED0A320D9A@clubtype.co.uk>

Len,
I'm sure we're getting there! Your explanations are great. Just tried  
this all in the same script:

-- function
getPathToFile pFile
   put the filename of this stack into theFile  --removed unwanted  
'the' from your original
   set the itemdelimiter to slash
   put pFile into the last item of theFile
   return theFile
getPathToFile
--end function

--Use the function
put getPathFile(My App.exe) into tFile
launch tFile

but get an error if I use a space in the name of the file.
Error is:
Function: separator is not a ','
Object	Uninstall 3b
Line	put getPathFile(My App.exe) into tFile
Hint	App.exe

The filename has a space - is that a problem for a function?

Thanks,
Adrian

On 30 Aug 2009, at 18:30, Len Morgan wrote:

> Adrian,
>
> Yes, you can define the function anywhere you like as long as it's  
> in the message path when you want to execute it.  But you don't  
> DEFINE the function in the "openStack." That is a function (handler  
> actually) all it's own but you can define it in the same script.   
> Remember that it's going to be CALLED when you need it.  Since the  
> file name of this stack isn't going to change, the FUNCTION should  
> be able to execute it at any time.
>
> len
>
> Adrian Williams wrote:
>> Len,
>> Thanks for this. Looks like just what I need!
>> I guess the FUNCTION can go in on openStack and the 'put' part in a  
>> card or button script?
>> Adrian
>>
>>
>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 17:24, Len Morgan wrote:
>>
>>> I"m hoping Trevor won't mind me sharing this little snippet of code:
>>>
>>> FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
>>>  put the filename of this stack into the theFile
>>>  set the itemdelimiter to slash
>>>  put pFile into the last item of theFile
>>>  return theFile
>>> END getPathToFile
>>>
>>> To use:
>>> put getPathFile(filename you want to launch) into tFile
>>> launch tFile
>>>
>>> That should do it.
>>>
>>> len morgan
>>>
>>> Adrian Williams wrote:
>>>> Jim,
>>>> When defaultFolder is set to a valid path "C:\Program Files 
>>>> \MyApp.exe" my code works.
>>>> Is there a way to retrieve the location of the Folder in which  
>>>> the current application is running.
>>>> Then set deafultFolder to that?
>>>> Thanks for your perseverance with me on this topic.
>>>> Adrian
>>>>
>>>> On 30 Aug 2009, at 11:09, Jim Bufalini wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Try:
>>>>>
>>>>> put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
>>>>>
>>>>> set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir  
>>>>> the exe is
>>>>> in here
>>>>>
>>>>> launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here
>>>>>
>>>>> set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the  
>>>>> defaultFolder back
>>>>> where it was
>>>>
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Aug 30 14:51:15 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:51:15 -0500
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <C1DF5FA2-0690-4C28-BD79-02ED0A320D9A@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<7ABD6CCC-5B97-4472-9880-A39C7F09D099@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AB728.4080203@crcom.net>
	<C1DF5FA2-0690-4C28-BD79-02ED0A320D9A@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A9ACA23.1000602@crcom.net>

Adrian,

<SOAPBOX state='mount'>
Before we go any further, if you're going to get MEANINGFUL help from 
this forum, you've got to be much more specific when you ask a question 
or show a code segment.  For example:
> -- function
> getPathToFile pFile
>   put the filename of this stack into theFile  --removed unwanted 
> 'the' from your original
>   set the itemdelimiter to slash
>   put pFile into the last item of theFile
>   return theFile
> getPathToFile
> --end function
>
is NOT a function definition!  You've written it as if it was going to 
be executed as inline code.  The fact that it might actually do it 
doesn't matter (in fact, this should throw an error because the 
"getPathToFile" is never DEFINED as a function.  Why would you not write 
the above the way I did, i.e.,

FUNCTION getPathToFile pFile
....
end FUNCTION

???  It uses fewer characters and is the syntacticly correct way to 
write rev code.  The way you have written it, it appears you call 
getPathToFile with an argument of pFile, then execute 4 statements, then 
call getPathToFile AGAIN with no arguments.  The '--function' and '--end 
function' are shown as comments.  It's only because I wrote the original 
code (well, actually copied the code from something Trevor wrote) that I 
know you're trying to define a function.  Many other people that might 
have far better answers than mine (Trevor's) might just skip your 
message because it makes no sense.

</SOAPBOX>

Since there is a space in the filename, it interprets what you pass as 
TWO arguments when  you've defined (hopefully) only a single argument.  
If you are going to "hardcode" the filename as you've shown below...
> --Use the function
> put getPathFile(My App.exe) into tFile
> launch tFile
>
... then you have to put the filename in quotes so that it will be 
interpreted as a single argument.  You call to the function should be:

put getPathToFile("My App.exe") into tFile

or I believe if you wanted a more generic solution:

put "My Multiword App Name.exe" into tFilename
put getPathToFile(tFilename)

would work.

Sorry if it seemed like I was going off on you (I'm having a little 
difficulty with my 13 year old daughter doing what she is told and 
you're getting the heat for it :-( ) but I think you will find a lot 
more help here if you tell/show EXACTLY what you are doing that isn't 
working instead of trying to simplify things for us.  It only makes the 
problem worse.  You don't need to include ALL of your code, only the 
parts that aren't working or are relevant to that code.

len


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sun Aug 30 19:34:33 2009
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:34:33 -0700
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <C1DF5FA2-0690-4C28-BD79-02ED0A320D9A@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
	<7ABD6CCC-5B97-4472-9880-A39C7F09D099@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9AB728.4080203@crcom.net>
	<C1DF5FA2-0690-4C28-BD79-02ED0A320D9A@clubtype.co.uk>
Message-ID: <BD1E9B76-E769-4ADF-B0A0-AE0FBBC45831@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello Adrian,

I've sort of re-written what Len suggested but without using a  
separate function or handler.  You can just put the whole thing in  
where you need it.  Eventually you may want to break out pieces of  
your code by using custom functions and commands but this should work.

Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

put the filename of this stack into tFilePath --tFilePath contains the  
full path to the mainstack
put the itemDelimiter into tOldItemDelimiter -- remember what it was  
so we can set it back

set the itemDelimiter to slash -- "/"  this is the character that  
divides the path up for example--> C:/aFolder/anotherFolder/ 
aFileOrProgram

-- because "/" is now the itemDelimiter
-- aFileOrProgram would be the last item ( item -1 ) in tFilePath
-- on Windows, the path to the standalone,
-- or in the rev IDE the path to the stack file,
-- is the last item ( item -1 ) of tFilePath
-- the path to the folder enclosing the stack file or MyStandalone.exe
-- is the second to the last item of tFilePath <second to the last is  
not rev code>
-- we want to put the name of the application you want to launch
-- after the enclosing folder
-- However
-- on Mac OSX, if this code is being executed from a standalone  
application,
-- then the path to the folder enclosing the standalone is different
-- the fileName of this stack (tFilePath) will look something like:
--   /Macintosh HD/Applications/MyStandalone.app/Contents/MacOS/ 
MyStandalone
-- which makes the enclosing folder item -5 of tFilePath
-- so we will need to know which platform we are on
-- in order to determine what part of the path to use

if (the platform is "MacOS") AND (the environment is not  
"development") then  -- Mac Standalone
   put item 1 to -5 of tFilePath &"/"&  "theAppName.app" into tAppPath
else -- Windows or rev IDE
   put "theAppName.exe" into item -1 of tAppPath -- example--> put  
"Photoshop.exe" into item -1 of tFilePath
end if

-- in your code, replace theAppName.exe  or   theAppName.app
-- with the actual name of the program you want to open 
-- Keep it inside quotation marks

launch tAppPath

set the itemDelimiter to tOldItemDelimiter -- tidy up


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-- here it is one more time without all the comments
-- watch line wraps in the email
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
put the filename of this stack into tFilePath
put the itemDelimiter into tOldItemDelimiter
set the itemDelimiter to slash
if (the platform is "MacOS") AND (the environment is not  
"development") then  -- Mac Standalone
  put item 1 to -5 of tFilePath &"/"&  "theAppName.app" into tAppPath
else -- Windows or rev IDE
  put "theAppName.exe" into item -1 of tAppPath -- example--> put  
"Photoshop.exe" into item -1 of tFilePath
end if
launch tAppPath
set the itemDelimiter to tOldItemDelimiter -- tidy up


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Aug 30 19:57:51 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:57:51 +1000
Subject: Snow Leopard
In-Reply-To: <edcc7e6b0908300240t35b8dcecyaee9e48b92400f27@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c9a.34c5195e.37c9965d@aol.com>
	<188212B4-535A-4950-9CA1-8C72B88B2645@byu.edu>
	<10C44647-E684-4BE0-AAEE-C4ADDB1F38ED@luceatlux.com>
	<6EDF568A-87F9-4E29-B4CE-97C8FE54BD9F@verizon.net>
	<f99b52860908281628n3851a79eje2271964226b2b7b@mail.gmail.com>
	<edcc7e6b0908300240t35b8dcecyaee9e48b92400f27@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908301657r31a079b5xdf87443dd92284e1@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Bernard Devlin<bdrunrev at gmail.com> wrote:
> Am I right in understanding that end users need to make a decision as
> to whether or not Safari/Firefox runs as 32 bit or 64 bit?

Early adopters of Snow Leopard who are testing the alpha version of
the RunRev plugin will need to set Safari to 32 bit.
Firefox 3.5.2 (the latest version) is only 32 bit anyway, so has no problem.


> In my experience most users don't understand what things like this
> mean. Or even what it means for an app to be PPC, Intel or Universal
> Binary (last week I had to spend 10 minutes explaining that difference
> to a long-time Mac user).

Agreed, but I don't think that type of user is likely to be testing
alpha software either :-)


> If the need for setting browsers to run as 32 bit is true then anyone
> relying on distributing Rev apps is in for a lot of support calls --
> especially if browsers on Snow Leopard are running as 32 bit by
> default.

Apps built with Revolution are not affected by this. It is only
revlets using the revWeb plugin.
On Snow Leopard, Safari runs as 64 bit by default and this does need
to be changed to allow testing revlets.


> The only appropriate solution to this would be for RunRev to build 64
> bit versions of at least revlets, and to be able to do some browser
> detection and offer the user the appropriate revlet.

Hopefully Rev will become totally 64 bit over the next year or so, but
as a start, only the revWeb plugin needs to be made 64 bit. Hopefully
this will not be long coming.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jerry.daniels at me.com  Sun Aug 30 20:44:09 2009
From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:44:09 -0500
Subject: [ANN] tRev's Raptor feature now available!
Message-ID: <1014B65F-6D1B-42DE-A568-E54DA9A51F48@me.com>

tRev watchers, admirers, and users...

We have just released tRev's latest feature: Raptor. If you haven't  
heard about Raptor, there's a short (3 minutes), easy-to-watch (not  
fuzzy) video of it working on our site. Click this link here to watch  
it in action.

http://reveditor.com/raptor

Raptor lets you create a your own property editor within the tRev  
script editor. Any properties you wish. A bunch of us noticed that for  
any specific object, we really only repeatedly set a half dozen  
properties, but it was impossible to predict which six those would be.  
And having to visit three different panes of the Revolution property  
inspector in order to this is...well...a pain!

Enter Raptor...he uses tRev's auto-complete feature to create a basic  
set of properties for an object with very few keystrokes. These little  
customized prop editors appear as formatted block comments. Like so:

/* basic.properties
 > set the name of me to "mac switcher"
 > set the label of me to [empty]
 > set the tooltip of me to "Edit (pointer) tool - select and..."
 > set the style of me to "transparent"
 > set the visible of me to true
 > set the opaque of me to false
 > set the showname of me to false
 > set the autohilite of me to false
 > set the showfocusborder of me to false
 > set the sharedhilite of me to false
 > set the traversalon of me to false
 > set the default of me to false
 > set the disabled of me to false
 > set the behavior of me to [empty]
 > made with tRev http://reveditor.com
basic.properties */

Those values at the end of each line appear as links in tRev. We  
already use links to navigate from a handler call to its handler. Now  
Raptor uses links to set properties. If the property value is a true,  
then clicking it will set it to false. If it's text, you'll get a  
spiffy embedded dialog that lets you edit the text value.

If you are a tRev owner, use your Check for Updates menu item beneath  
the Help menu, and you'll see you have a component update. That'll be  
Raptor. Or you might have noticed the Update Available link in the  
lower left corner of your editor.

NOTE: You will need to quit and restart after updating as the tRev  
message broker has been modified.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Watch tRev's Raptor Movie
http://reveditor.com/raptor


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Sun Aug 30 21:58:29 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:58:29 -0500
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <BD1E9B76-E769-4ADF-B0A0-AE0FBBC45831@elementarysoftware.com>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<7ABD6CCC-5B97-4472-9880-A39C7F09D099@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AB728.4080203@crcom.net>	<C1DF5FA2-0690-4C28-BD79-02ED0A320D9A@clubtype.co.uk>
	<BD1E9B76-E769-4ADF-B0A0-AE0FBBC45831@elementarysoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4A9B2E45.3060604@crcom.net>

Thank you Scott for stating what I was trying to say far more 
diplomatically than I could given my mood at the time.  Civility rocks!

len

Scott Morrow wrote:
> Hello Adrian,
>
> I've sort of re-written what Len suggested but without using a 
> separate function or handler.  You can just put the whole thing in 
> where you need it.  Eventually you may want to break out pieces of 
> your code by using custom functions and commands but this should work.
>
> Scott Morrow
>
> Elementary Software
> (Now with 20% less chalk dust!)
> web       http://elementarysoftware.com/
> email     scott at elementarysoftware.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>
>
> put the filename of this stack into tFilePath --tFilePath contains the 
> full path to the mainstack
> put the itemDelimiter into tOldItemDelimiter -- remember what it was 
> so we can set it back
>
> set the itemDelimiter to slash -- "/"  this is the character that 
> divides the path up for example--> 
> C:/aFolder/anotherFolder/aFileOrProgram
>
> -- because "/" is now the itemDelimiter
> -- aFileOrProgram would be the last item ( item -1 ) in tFilePath
> -- on Windows, the path to the standalone,
> -- or in the rev IDE the path to the stack file,
> -- is the last item ( item -1 ) of tFilePath
> -- the path to the folder enclosing the stack file or MyStandalone.exe
> -- is the second to the last item of tFilePath <second to the last is 
> not rev code>
> -- we want to put the name of the application you want to launch
> -- after the enclosing folder
> -- However
> -- on Mac OSX, if this code is being executed from a standalone 
> application,
> -- then the path to the folder enclosing the standalone is different
> -- the fileName of this stack (tFilePath) will look something like:
> --   /Macintosh 
> HD/Applications/MyStandalone.app/Contents/MacOS/MyStandalone
> -- which makes the enclosing folder item -5 of tFilePath
> -- so we will need to know which platform we are on
> -- in order to determine what part of the path to use
>
> if (the platform is "MacOS") AND (the environment is not 
> "development") then  -- Mac Standalone
>   put item 1 to -5 of tFilePath &"/"&  "theAppName.app" into tAppPath
> else -- Windows or rev IDE
>   put "theAppName.exe" into item -1 of tAppPath -- example--> put 
> "Photoshop.exe" into item -1 of tFilePath
> end if
>
> -- in your code, replace theAppName.exe  or   theAppName.app
> -- with the actual name of the program you want to open-- Keep it 
> inside quotation marks
>
> launch tAppPath
>
> set the itemDelimiter to tOldItemDelimiter -- tidy up
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>
> -- here it is one more time without all the comments
> -- watch line wraps in the email
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>
> put the filename of this stack into tFilePath
> put the itemDelimiter into tOldItemDelimiter
> set the itemDelimiter to slash
> if (the platform is "MacOS") AND (the environment is not 
> "development") then  -- Mac Standalone
>  put item 1 to -5 of tFilePath &"/"&  "theAppName.app" into tAppPath
> else -- Windows or rev IDE
>  put "theAppName.exe" into item -1 of tAppPath -- example--> put 
> "Photoshop.exe" into item -1 of tFilePath
> end if
> launch tAppPath
> set the itemDelimiter to tOldItemDelimiter -- tidy up
> _______________________________________________
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From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Mon Aug 31 02:58:13 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:58:13 +0100
Subject: Launch another app from my standalone
In-Reply-To: <4A9B2E45.3060604@crcom.net>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<7ABD6CCC-5B97-4472-9880-A39C7F09D099@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AB728.4080203@crcom.net>	<C1DF5FA2-0690-4C28-BD79-02ED0A320D9A@clubtype.co.uk>
	<BD1E9B76-E769-4ADF-B0A0-AE0FBBC45831@elementarysoftware.com>
	<4A9B2E45.3060604@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <1590E8F1-8820-4399-99E4-5ACDB9BCE893@clubtype.co.uk>

Len, Scot,

Your amendments/solutions work and what's more I can follow and  
understand how they work because of the excellent commenting.
Rev is a fantastic environment and useful beyond description. The  
online docs show syntax of statements and lots of other vital info.
But, to the novice the docs don't go quite far enough to explain how  
statements are used.
Take the 'launch' doc. The Examples may be enough for the experienced  
user who knows how to put them into context...

launch "SimpleText"
launch "/Documents/Projects/test.txt" with myApp
launch it with (field "Application")

IMHO in the doc for 'launch', right underneath 'Examples', an  
additional 'Example in use' would be helpful.
Jim's snippet with its comments puts one of the example statements  
into some context...

put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir the  
exe is in here
launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here
set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the defaultFolder  
back where it was

Have some experience with children. The whole 'do as your told thing  
only lasts' 'till they're about 37!
So don't apologise for being gruff. Treating me like a 13 year old  
worked in this case.
Sounds like Scott has plenty of elementary experience too.

Many thanks again for all your efforts,
Adrian

On 31 Aug 2009, at 02:58, Len Morgan wrote:

> Thank you Scott for stating what I was trying to say far more  
> diplomatically than I could given my mood at the time.  Civility  
> rocks!
>
> len
>
> Scott Morrow wrote:
>> Hello Adrian,
>>
>> I've sort of re-written what Len suggested but without using a  
>> separate function or handler.  You can just put the whole thing in  
>> where you need it.  Eventually you may want to break out pieces of  
>> your code by using custom functions and commands but this should  
>> work.
>>
>> Scott Morrow



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon Aug 31 08:05:49 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:05:49 -0500
Subject: Rev Documentation  [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
In-Reply-To: <1590E8F1-8820-4399-99E4-5ACDB9BCE893@clubtype.co.uk>
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Adrian Williams wrote:
>
> IMHO in the doc for 'launch', right underneath 'Examples', an 
> additional 'Example in use' would be helpful.
> Jim's snippet with its comments puts one of the example statements 
> into some context...
>
> put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
> set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir the 
> exe is in here
> launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here
> set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the defaultFolder 
> back where it was
>
The problem with the above explanation that the defaultFolder lines have 
absolutely nothing to do with the launch command.  You could have just 
as easily wanted to launch an app that is relative to a URL which would 
take
another set of "chunk" explanations that again are totally different and 
totally unrelated to the launch command.  To write such all inclusive 
documentation for every command would be a daunting task and so verbose 
that it goes too far the other direction (i.e., so much to read that no 
one would read any of it).

It's a fine line that the documentation writers have to walk.  In the 
future, be sure to look at all the "See Also" entries in the dictionary 
and read the WHOLE command description.  The See Alsos can often point 
you in the right direction but also, at least in my case, lead me to 
learn things I hadn't even thought about before so I end up learning a 
lot more than if I'd had Scott's example laid out in front of me, took 
it verbatim, and left.

You are suffering from the same problem I know I had and I'm sure a lot 
of others had: The lack of a good tutorial book on Revolution to get you 
over the "hump" when you're new to the language.  It's my impression 
that a large percentage of the current Rev users came from a HyperCard 
(or one of it's derivatives) background and so they've  already  been 
over that "hump."  The simple terse Rev dictionary format is just fine 
for them.  I remember when I started (from a C/Tcl/Assembly background 
of MANY years) I couldn't even figure out where to start.  The whole 
concept of passing messages and calling handlers it totally different 
that the in-line code you'd write in C or Tcl.  Once I made that mental 
leap, things just started falling into place.  I still had questions 
that the documentation didn't answer by that's where this mailing list 
came in.  There was always somebody that could quickly fill in the 
"whole" in my knowledge.

I believe you can still get Dan Shaefer's (spelling?) book "Software at 
the Speed of Thought" which was written around Rev 2.1 I think but it 
was very helpful in getting me over a lot of the rough spots that the 
dictionary and user's manual didn't cover (and shouldn't have).  There 
are also a couple of HyperCard/Talk books by Danny Goodman that several 
people here have recommended.  I bought them but haven't really read 
them so I can't vouch for how helpful they'd be to you.

You do have a chance to help out humanity though (well, at least the 
part of humanity that is struggling to learn Revolution): the user 
comments at the bottom of the dictionary.  They are there for just the 
same kind of problem you were having, in other words, not quite enough 
meat around the bone to make it clear.  If you feel that something might 
need more (or better) explaination, add a user comment to enlighten the 
rest of us.  If we all contribute a little here and little there, we 
should end up with a first class reference that everyone will benefit from.


len


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Aug 31 08:12:41 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:12:41 +0200
Subject: Identity theft on Twitter?
Message-ID: <9E2FEF26-1FC8-416D-B45A-96D5A326FC62@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

I'm "followed" by two accounts on Twitter, names "runrev" and  
"RunRevLtd". It is not clear whether RunRev Ltd is actually behind  
these accounts or whether a "fan" decided to use these names. It seems  
impossible to figure out who are the owners of these accounts and  
whether those accounts belong to spammers, criminals or actually to  
RunRev Ltd. Could someone please tell me whether the "runrev" and  
"RunRevLtd" Twitter accounts are genuine and who are the human beings  
behind these accounts? No guesses and speculations please.

Since the subject is Twitter, let me take the opportunity to tell you  
that you can follow me on Twitter too. My user name is  
xTalkProgrammer. When you look at my profile, you can immediately see  
who the account belongs to (me ;-) ). You can find my Twitter profile  
at <http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer>.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com



From adrian at clubtype.co.uk  Mon Aug 31 09:25:01 2009
From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:25:01 +0100
Subject: Rev Documentation  [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
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Len,

Your observations are correct and I already have Dan's "Software at  
the Speed of thought".
It's just that I'm an occasional user of Rev; I don't use it anywhere  
near full-time.
Not coming from a HyperCard background does not prepare one for Rev's  
principles.
If there are different ways to achieve the same thing, then let's have  
some cross-referenced examples.
I've seen talk of a 'cookbook' on this list. Perhaps it is time for  
someone to captalise on that?

Like the Internet, when something is too flexible, it's a job to know  
where to start.
Three ways to accomplish a few commonly used tasks may be enough to  
introduce novices the various processes.
Three ways to "Launch an application"
Three ways to "Track the path to a file"
Three ways to...

Dans' book, great though it is as a primer, is not as accessible as  
many 'QuickStart' guidebooks available these days.
Peachpit Press (http://www.peachpit.com/imprint/series_detail.aspx?ser=335245 
) does a good job on many topics such as Java for example.
HyperCarders must be fewer and fewer as time goes by, so something  
like that would make Rev far more accessible to newbies.
That's my two-penneth for what its worth. As it's Bank Holiday, I'm  
off to fire up the BBQ.

All the best,
Adrian
______________________
Club Type
http://www.clubtype.co.uk
<adrian at clubtype.co.uk>



On 31 Aug 2009, at 13:05, Len Morgan wrote:

>
>
> Adrian Williams wrote:
>>
>> IMHO in the doc for 'launch', right underneath 'Examples', an  
>> additional 'Example in use' would be helpful.
>> Jim's snippet with its comments puts one of the example statements  
>> into some context...
>>
>> put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
>> set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir  
>> the exe is in here
>> launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here
>> set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the  
>> defaultFolder back where it was
>>
> The problem with the above explanation that the defaultFolder lines  
> have absolutely nothing to do with the launch command.  You could  
> have just as easily wanted to launch an app that is relative to a  
> URL which would take
> another set of "chunk" explanations that again are totally different  
> and totally unrelated to the launch command.  To write such all  
> inclusive documentation for every command would be a daunting task  
> and so verbose that it goes too far the other direction (i.e., so  
> much to read that no one would read any of it).
>
> It's a fine line that the documentation writers have to walk.  In  
> the future, be sure to look at all the "See Also" entries in the  
> dictionary and read the WHOLE command description.  The See Alsos  
> can often point you in the right direction but also, at least in my  
> case, lead me to learn things I hadn't even thought about before so  
> I end up learning a lot more than if I'd had Scott's example laid  
> out in front of me, took it verbatim, and left.
>
> You are suffering from the same problem I know I had and I'm sure a  
> lot of others had: The lack of a good tutorial book on Revolution to  
> get you over the "hump" when you're new to the language.  It's my  
> impression that a large percentage of the current Rev users came  
> from a HyperCard (or one of it's derivatives) background and so  
> they've  already  been over that "hump."  The simple terse Rev  
> dictionary format is just fine for them.  I remember when I started  
> (from a C/Tcl/Assembly background of MANY years) I couldn't even  
> figure out where to start.  The whole concept of passing messages  
> and calling handlers it totally different that the in-line code  
> you'd write in C or Tcl.  Once I made that mental leap, things just  
> started falling into place.  I still had questions that the  
> documentation didn't answer by that's where this mailing list came  
> in.  There was always somebody that could quickly fill in the  
> "whole" in my knowledge.
>
> I believe you can still get Dan Shaefer's (spelling?) book "Software  
> at the Speed of Thought" which was written around Rev 2.1 I think  
> but it was very helpful in getting me over a lot of the rough spots  
> that the dictionary and user's manual didn't cover (and shouldn't  
> have).  There are also a couple of HyperCard/Talk books by Danny  
> Goodman that several people here have recommended.  I bought them  
> but haven't really read them so I can't vouch for how helpful they'd  
> be to you.
>
> You do have a chance to help out humanity though (well, at least the  
> part of humanity that is struggling to learn Revolution): the user  
> comments at the bottom of the dictionary.  They are there for just  
> the same kind of problem you were having, in other words, not quite  
> enough meat around the bone to make it clear.  If you feel that  
> something might need more (or better) explaination, add a user  
> comment to enlighten the rest of us.  If we all contribute a little  
> here and little there, we should end up with a first class reference  
> that everyone will benefit from.
>
>
> len
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Aug 31 09:39:18 2009
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:39:18 +0100
Subject: Rev Documentation [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
In-Reply-To: <E89435FE-CD72-4A8F-8B42-0BB00FEED424@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<7ABD6CCC-5B97-4472-9880-A39C7F09D099@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AB728.4080203@crcom.net>	<C1DF5FA2-0690-4C28-BD79-02ED0A320D9A@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD1E9B76-E769-4ADF-B0A0-AE0FBBC45831@elementarysoftware.com>	<4A9B2E45.3060604@crcom.net>
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I suspect the easy availability of something like this is what will  
make or break the wider acceptance of RevMedia.

Ian

On 31 Aug 2009, at 14:25, Adrian Williams <adrian at clubtype.co.uk> wrote:

>
> I've seen talk of a 'cookbook' on this list. Perhaps it is time for  
> someone to captalise on that?
>


From jonathandlynch at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 10:22:12 2009
From: jonathandlynch at gmail.com (Jonathan Lynch)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:22:12 -0400
Subject: How to reliably crash Rev 3.5 and 4.0-dp3 with four script lines
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0908270351l63b54ab4ha9ce47235d0383d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A959F03.6070909@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<c1c5836b0908270351l63b54ab4ha9ce47235d0383d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31e1938c0908310722n2ad12ba2we1bfa3870d15cc9c@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Wilhelm,

>From reading this thread, I was able to identify the problem I have been
having. Converting images to png and then loading them back into my stack
has enabled me to print with high resolution.

I was doing something where I enlarged images then printed them with
printscale set to .25 - turns out this is not necessary, but, when I was
doing that I would get a crash every time with certain images. By saving
images as png then bringing them into the stack using the import command,
they are working fine. It also turns out that, by doing this, they do not
need to be enlarged in order to get high-res printing - but, if you do
enlarge them and then print them, they no longer crash RunRev.



On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:51 AM, David Bovill <david at architex.tv> wrote:

> Thanks for taking the time to post this Wilhelm - a wealth of useful
> information there that would have taken ages to drill down through bugzilla
> reports.
>
> 2009/8/26 Wilhelm Sanke <sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de>
>
> > Actually you can choose between two four-liners, depending on the
> specific
> > conditions.
> >
> > First, a few remarks about the context and the circumstances in which
> such
> > crashes occur:
> >
> >
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From bdrunrev at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 10:39:28 2009
From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:39:28 +0100
Subject: Rev Documentation [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
In-Reply-To: <E89435FE-CD72-4A8F-8B42-0BB00FEED424@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>
	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>
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	<4A9AB728.4080203@crcom.net>
	<C1DF5FA2-0690-4C28-BD79-02ED0A320D9A@clubtype.co.uk>
	<BD1E9B76-E769-4ADF-B0A0-AE0FBBC45831@elementarysoftware.com>
	<4A9B2E45.3060604@crcom.net>
	<1590E8F1-8820-4399-99E4-5ACDB9BCE893@clubtype.co.uk>
	<4A9BBC9D.5090302@crcom.net>
	<E89435FE-CD72-4A8F-8B42-0BB00FEED424@clubtype.co.uk>
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I have to say, I think the Revolution documentation is pretty good.
Obviously there are many things available in Rev that one forgets if
one is not using Rev almost every day.  However, whenever I return to
using Rev after some weeks away from it, I find that I never spend
more than a couple of minutes searching through the dictionary to find
what I want. The Dictionary is an extraordinary device for me - it
offers complete information, but does so without making me wade
through lots of stuff I don't want.  People have produced versions of
the Dictionary that perform faster or take up less screen space, and
they have been welcome additions (although these days I mostly just
stick with the ordinary Dictionary).

I came from a non-Hypercard background, and when I first started to
learn Rev there was only the documentation stacks that come with Rev
(there is more now - the User Guide, and the videos).  I felt I was
really missing something so I bought some hypercard books and they
helped a lot.  I bought the two volumes of the Danny Goodman book
(http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-HyperCard-2-2-Handbook/dp/0679791221/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1251725810&sr=8-3),
for about the price it is being sold for on Amazon.  I also bought
Jeanne Devoto's book on Hyperscript.

I don't have the Goodman book any more (I gave it to a friend who I
introduced to Rev).  And I think that it was the Hyperscript book that
was more helpful, but that book doesn't even seem to be available on
amazon at all.  The Goodman book provided a general overview of the
Hypercard/Message path, but once I'd got on top of that, then I found
myself referring to the Hyperscript book more.  Of course, since those
books are quite old and for a very similar but also slightly different
tool to Rev, there are some places where they would be misleading to
new user to Rev.

Does the PDF of the User Guide that comes with Rev not help?  I would
think that that would serve as a good general introduction/orientation
to new users or infrequent users.  There are times when I might have
been away from Rev for some months, and I would find myself turning to
the User Guide in order to remind myself of something (usually to do
with custom properties/custom property sets!)

The 'cookbook' existed with the Rev documentation from about version
1.1.1 to about 2.7.  It wasn't really a list of the many alternative
ways to do things, so much as single examples answering questions of
the 'how would I do...' variety.

I'm not sure it would really benefit new users to have a cookbook that
showed several of the many different ways to do things.  But maybe the
old cookbook ought to be revived.  If only because the idea of such
easy recipes' shows what can be achieved in Rev.  One of the friends I
introduced to Rev stopped using after a few months, because she
couldn't see how to make any use of it.  She ended up choosing
Filemaker instead - it seemed that the fact that Filemaker was a more
limited/more specific framework for development suited her better.

Bernard



On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Adrian Williams<adrian at clubtype.co.uk> wrote:
> Not coming from a HyperCard background does not prepare one for Rev's
> principles.
> If there are different ways to achieve the same thing, then let's have some
> cross-referenced examples.
> I've seen talk of a 'cookbook' on this list. Perhaps it is time for someone
> to captalise on that?
>
> Like the Internet, when something is too flexible, it's a job to know where
> to start.
> Three ways to accomplish a few commonly used tasks may be enough to
> introduce novices the various processes.
> Three ways to "Launch an application"
> Three ways to "Track the path to a file"
> Three ways to...
>


From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Aug 31 10:57:15 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:57:15 -1000
Subject: Rev Documentation [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
In-Reply-To: <E89435FE-CD72-4A8F-8B42-0BB00FEED424@clubtype.co.uk>
References: <9E9BE522-3284-47FE-8698-8EDBC770F596@theworcestersource.com>	<49E42D78.9020300@ekoinf.net>	<643E82D7-2400-4159-B4FA-B2E31E714865@clubtype.co.uk>	<00ac01c9bd34$c62878e0$52796aa0$@com>	<4E530B11-1FD8-4337-B735-99C717A9C2DD@clubtype.co.uk>	<5FECC6C5-D02A-4536-854F-975D6BE02F92@LinkIt.Com>	<8C360D1C-A6BC-443B-825C-06AD4B229AAA@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A97F043.4070700@hyperactivesw.com>	<4A26983D-D4C1-495E-A5BF-6169E034F5CD@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD4745F6-1FB0-44E8-BCAD-3169C782C78F@clubtype.co.uk>	<000f01ca2951$bf18be00$3d4a3a00$@com>	<001c01ca2952$c2a60e00$47f22a00$@com>	<001d01ca2959$ebbfe390$c33faab0$@com>	<441F2E6A-2808-42C9-842D-A8B025E66B28@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AA7B7.1070807@crcom.net>	<7ABD6CCC-5B97-4472-9880-A39C7F09D099@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9AB728.4080203@crcom.net>	<C1DF5FA2-0690-4C28-BD79-02ED0A320D9A@clubtype.co.uk>	<BD1E9B76-E769-4ADF-B0A0-AE0FBBC45831@elementarysoftware.com>	<4A9B2E45.3060604@crcom.net>	<1590E8F1-8820-4399-99E4-5ACDB9BCE893@clubtype.co.uk>	<4A9BBC9D.5090302@crcom.net>
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Adrian Williams wrote:

> Len,
> 
> Your observations are correct and I already have Dan's "Software at
> the Speed of thought".
> It's just that I'm an occasional user of Rev; I don't use it anywhere
> near full-time.
> Not coming from a HyperCard background does not prepare one for Rev's
> principles.
> If there are different ways to achieve the same thing, then let's have
> some cross-referenced examples.
> I've seen talk of a 'cookbook' on this list. Perhaps it is time for
> someone to captalise on that?
> 
> Like the Internet, when something is too flexible, it's a job to know
> where to start.
> Three ways to accomplish a few commonly used tasks may be enough to
> introduce novices the various processes.
> Three ways to "Launch an application"
> Three ways to "Track the path to a file"
> Three ways to...
> 
> Dans' book, great though it is as a primer, is not as accessible as
> many 'QuickStart' guidebooks available these days.
> Peachpit Press
> (http://www.peachpit.com/imprint/series_detail.aspx?ser=335245
> ) does a good job on many topics such as Java for example.
> HyperCarders must be fewer and fewer as time goes by, so something
> like that would make Rev far more accessible to newbies.
> That's my two-penneth for what its worth. As it's Bank Holiday, I'm
> off to fire up the BBQ.
> 
> All the best,
> Adrian
> ______________________
> Club Type
> http://www.clubtype.co.uk
> <adrian at clubtype.co.uk>
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Aug 2009, at 13:05, Len Morgan wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Adrian Williams wrote:
> >>
> >> IMHO in the doc for 'launch', right underneath 'Examples', an
> >> additional 'Example in use' would be helpful.
> >> Jim's snippet with its comments puts one of the example statements
> >> into some context...
> >>
> >> put the defaultFolder into tOrigDefaultFolder
> >> set the defaultFolder to "C:\theDirTheExeIsIn" -- Put actual dir
> >> the exe is in here
> >> launch "MyProgram.exe" -- Put the actual name of the exe here
> >> set the defaultFolder to tOrigDefaultFolder -- Puts the
> >> defaultFolder back where it was
> >>
> > The problem with the above explanation that the defaultFolder lines
> > have absolutely nothing to do with the launch command.  You could
> > have just as easily wanted to launch an app that is relative to a
> > URL which would take
> > another set of "chunk" explanations that again are totally different
> > and totally unrelated to the launch command.  To write such all
> > inclusive documentation for every command would be a daunting task
> > and so verbose that it goes too far the other direction (i.e., so
> > much to read that no one would read any of it).
> >
> > It's a fine line that the documentation writers have to walk.  In
> > the future, be sure to look at all the "See Also" entries in the
> > dictionary and read the WHOLE command description.  The See Alsos
> > can often point you in the right direction but also, at least in my
> > case, lead me to learn things I hadn't even thought about before so
> > I end up learning a lot more than if I'd had Scott's example laid
> > out in front of me, took it verbatim, and left.
> >
> > You are suffering from the same problem I know I had and I'm sure a
> > lot of others had: The lack of a good tutorial book on Revolution to
> > get you over the "hump" when you're new to the language.  It's my
> > impression that a large percentage of the current Rev users came
> > from a HyperCard (or one of it's derivatives) background and so
> > they've  already  been over that "hump."  The simple terse Rev
> > dictionary format is just fine for them.  I remember when I started
> > (from a C/Tcl/Assembly background of MANY years) I couldn't even
> > figure out where to start.  The whole concept of passing messages
> > and calling handlers it totally different that the in-line code
> > you'd write in C or Tcl.  Once I made that mental leap, things just
> > started falling into place.  I still had questions that the
> > documentation didn't answer by that's where this mailing list came
> > in.  There was always somebody that could quickly fill in the
> > "whole" in my knowledge.
> >
> > I believe you can still get Dan Shaefer's (spelling?) book "Software
> > at the Speed of Thought" which was written around Rev 2.1 I think
> > but it was very helpful in getting me over a lot of the rough spots
> > that the dictionary and user's manual didn't cover (and shouldn't
> > have).  There are also a couple of HyperCard/Talk books by Danny
> > Goodman that several people here have recommended.  I bought them
> > but haven't really read them so I can't vouch for how helpful they'd
> > be to you.
> >
> > You do have a chance to help out humanity though (well, at least the
> > part of humanity that is struggling to learn Revolution): the user
> > comments at the bottom of the dictionary.  They are there for just
> > the same kind of problem you were having, in other words, not quite
> > enough meat around the bone to make it clear.  If you feel that
> > something might need more (or better) explaination, add a user
> > comment to enlighten the rest of us.  If we all contribute a little
> > here and little there, we should end up with a first class reference
> > that everyone will benefit from.

I don't think I've ever seen a comprehensive and completely satisfactory
answer to the documentation conundrum for any language or application.

For example, I just looked at the Launch doc (which I hadn't for a while). I
note that it can be misleading. For example it shows, as an example, *launch
"SimpleText"*. Well, if this is on Windows and SimpleText is an executable,
you need to include the ".exe" extension. How would you know this? 

And, to make it cross-platform, you need to add a conditional that properly
launches on Mac or Linux. And, since many, if not most executables assume
dependencies, such as other files they look for in their own directory, or
subdirectories of their directory (think of your own standalones that may
look for an Externals subdirectory or other stacks in other subdirectories
to startusing or attach), you need to CD (Change Directory) to the app's
directory before calling the app.

And, it can get even more complex. For example, if on Windows the launched
app alters the Path statement, this "new" Path only applies to child
processes of the app and the original Path remains for the app itself,
siblings and parent processes. How does each app accept command line params?
And it goes on and the factors that could be relevant  multiply.

So, it's not just that Rev offers multiple ways to accomplish the same goal
(in this case: launch, shell, open process). There are so many other factors
that one needs to be aware of to even use a simple handler like launch. What
is then the scope and responsibility of documenting a single handler like
Launch?

Would a cookbook help? Maybe some. But could a cookbook address all the
possibilities? And, if it did, who would read it? I doubt anything short of
this list and others like it, where users answer questions and point to
available resources and sample code, in response to a specific question,
within a specific platform, environment and context, does the job.


Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini





From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 14:17:40 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:17:40 -0700
Subject: PreOpenStack in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2C1EB281-87F3-42F1-BCB0-D15AE62C11B0@sbcglobal.net>

I'm pretty sure I asked this question once before, but I've forgotten  
the answer.

As I recall, the PreOpenStack message is not sent if the stack is  
opened in the IDE, only when opened as a stand alone.

Is there a work around, something that will be triggered when opened  
in the IDE?

Jim Hurley


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Aug 31 14:21:25 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:21:25 +0200
Subject: PreOpenStack in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <2C1EB281-87F3-42F1-BCB0-D15AE62C11B0@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>
	<2C1EB281-87F3-42F1-BCB0-D15AE62C11B0@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00CC6A3B-4489-4C5A-AEF1-3D72AD4DDB7F@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jim,

The preOpenStack message is sent. The startUp message isn't.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 31 aug 2009, at 20:17, James Hurley wrote:

> I'm pretty sure I asked this question once before, but I've  
> forgotten the answer.
>
> As I recall, the PreOpenStack message is not sent if the stack is  
> opened in the IDE, only when opened as a stand alone.
>
> Is there a work around, something that will be triggered when opened  
> in the IDE?
>
> Jim Hurley




From modelmasters1 at cox.net  Mon Aug 31 15:21:08 2009
From: modelmasters1 at cox.net (William Moseid)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:21:08 -0700
Subject: Rev Documentation [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
Message-ID: <881DA830EE5E4F6894B17E59A7886F53@BillPC>

The D/L link is a compressed Help File (fmpro_help) that one can use in a 
browser. What Help?  Well, in this case it is Filemaker. The reason for including it
is to illustrate a reasonable approach for new to expert Revolution developers
as another way to present Help for Revolution.

This is a compiled html file visable in a browser:
http://www.fmpsolutions.com/fmpro_help.zip


Best,

William

William Roger Moseid
64 Glenalmond Lane
Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
Model Masters
bill at fmpsolutions.com
sales at fmpsolutions.com
modelmasters at fmpsolutions.com
modelmasters1 at cox.net
951-970-6271 (Cell)
206-497-2575 (MagicJack - Internet Phone)

Best,

William

William Roger Moseid
64 Glenalmond Lane
Ladera Ranch, CA 92694
Model Masters
bill at fmpsolutions.com
sales at fmpsolutions.com
modelmasters at fmpsolutions.com
modelmasters1 at cox.net
951-970-6271 (Cell)
206-497-2575 (MagicJack - Internet Phone)



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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 17:20:06 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 07:20:06 +1000
Subject: RevLive Simulcast times
Message-ID: <f99b52860908311420h76031f9cj877d7fd354921c72@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Anyone like me who has to juggle time zones to work out when to watch
the RevLive sessions, might like to check out
<http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/timezones.irev>.

Select your own time zone in one popup menu button and check the
daylight savings checkbox if appropriate.
Set the other to Dakar, Casablanca, London, Lisbon, Reykjav?k,
Tenerife (UTC) with the daylight savings checkbox ticked.
This will give you a list of every hour in your day, converted to
Edinburgh time.
All written in Rev using the On-Rev servers of course :-)

Cheers,
Sarah


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 17:23:05 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:23:05 -0700
Subject: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack in the IDE"
In-Reply-To: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E93428B4-D104-48A8-9C5E-59536AC9C2CE@sbcglobal.net>

> Hi Jim,
>
> The preOpenStack message is sent. The startUp message isn't.

Hi Mark,

Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right--generally speaking.

My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette stack   
with the statement:

    open stack "mystack"

the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed.

On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle menu, the  
PreOpenStack is executed.

Is there something about opening a stack from another stack that does  
not trigger the PreOpenStack message?

Jim Hurley



>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
> On 31 aug 2009, at 20:17, James Hurley wrote:
>
> > I'm pretty sure I asked this question once before, but I've
> > forgotten the answer.
> >
> > As I recall, the PreOpenStack message is not sent if the stack is
> > opened in the IDE, only when opened as a stand alone.
> >
> > Is there a work around, something that will be triggered when opened
> > in the IDE?
> >
> > Jim Hurley
>


From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Aug 31 17:55:31 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 11:55:31 -1000
Subject: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack in the IDE"
In-Reply-To: <E93428B4-D104-48A8-9C5E-59536AC9C2CE@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>
	<E93428B4-D104-48A8-9C5E-59536AC9C2CE@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <009401ca2a85$c33a3830$49aea890$@com>


James Hurley wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> 
> Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right--generally
> speaking.
> 
> My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette stack
> with the statement:
> 
>     open stack "mystack"
> 
> the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed.
> 
> On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle menu, the
> PreOpenStack is executed.
> 
> Is there something about opening a stack from another stack that does
> not trigger the PreOpenStack message?

Try using "go stack" to the stack file name on disk. This should always
trigger a preOpenStack.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini



From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Mon Aug 31 17:58:08 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:58:08 -0400
Subject: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time
Message-ID: <91C8FAA2-3C27-4E81-A2F4-E3EB0231BFF5@videotron.ca>

Hello everyone,

How can I handle daylight savings time in my On-Rev code?  We're  
currently in DST in Montreal.  When I type

	put the long time

in Revolution's message box, I get the correct time as

	5:52:13 PM

but when I ask for the long time in an On-Rev handler I get

	4:52:13 PM

which is standard time.

Getting the correct local time, at least within a half hour, is  
critical because it is being used to determine the start and end of an  
online experiment, and I can't have subject submitting form data  
outside those times.

Much obliged,

Gregory

P.S.  I'm using a Mac.


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 18:05:04 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:05:04 -0700
Subject: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack in the IDE"
In-Reply-To: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <772A12C0-E411-40AF-A8E2-D3020B524A81@sbcglobal.net>

Jim,
It appears that neither "open stack" nor "go stack" will trigger a  
PreOpenStack message.
I am using as a workaround an "open stack" and then sending a  
PreOpenStack message to the stack.
Clumsy but it works.

Jim Hurley

> James Hurley wrote:
>
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right--generally
> > speaking.
> >
> > My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette stack
> > with the statement:
> >
> >     open stack "mystack"
> >
> > the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed.
> >
> > On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle menu,  
> the
> > PreOpenStack is executed.
> >
> > Is there something about opening a stack from another stack that  
> does
> > not trigger the PreOpenStack message?
>
> Try using "go stack" to the stack file name on disk. This should  
> always
> trigger a preOpenStack.
>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini


From support at ahsomme.com  Mon Aug 31 18:11:38 2009
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:11:38 -0700
Subject: FYI - NULLs in data to sort
Message-ID: <794A5B76-5FE5-4382-A102-3B7119A597F6@ahsomme.com>

General information,
Over the past several months we have noticed that version 3.5 of Rev  
is much more sensitive to data that contains NULL characters.
Several programs that worked well previously, with the same data,  
broke when using Rev 3.5 - or a standalone made from it.
The problem comes when the data is sorted; the sorting drops records.  
Adding the following line, before the sort, fixes the problem for us:

replace NULL with "" in theData --"theData" is whatever variable  
contains the data to be manipulated.

We had minor problems with NULLs previously, but 3.5 will drop up to  
80% of our data.
One way NULLs can get into a database is if Unicode text is copied  
from another document.
Hope this saves you some time.
Paul Looney


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Aug 31 18:13:30 2009
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:13:30 +0100
Subject: FYI - NULLs in data to sort
In-Reply-To: <794A5B76-5FE5-4382-A102-3B7119A597F6@ahsomme.com>
References: <794A5B76-5FE5-4382-A102-3B7119A597F6@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <4A9C4B0A.90403@hyperactivesw.com>

Paul Looney wrote:
> General information,
> Over the past several months we have noticed that version 3.5 of Rev is 
> much more sensitive to data that contains NULL characters.

Would be good to bug report this at the QA Center if you haven't already.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Aug 31 18:14:05 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:14:05 -1000
Subject: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack in the IDE"
In-Reply-To: <772A12C0-E411-40AF-A8E2-D3020B524A81@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>
	<772A12C0-E411-40AF-A8E2-D3020B524A81@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00ad01ca2a88$5b12fb90$1138f2b0$@com>

Jim,

Hmm... The important part of what I said is not the go or open but using the
stack "file name" as in *go stack "C:\MyStack.rev"* What version of Rev are
you using?

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of James Hurley
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:05 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack in the
> IDE"
> 
> Jim,
> It appears that neither "open stack" nor "go stack" will trigger a
> PreOpenStack message.
> I am using as a workaround an "open stack" and then sending a
> PreOpenStack message to the stack.
> Clumsy but it works.
> 
> Jim Hurley
> 
> > James Hurley wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Mark,
> > >
> > > Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right--generally
> > > speaking.
> > >
> > > My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette stack
> > > with the statement:
> > >
> > >     open stack "mystack"
> > >
> > > the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed.
> > >
> > > On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle menu,
> > the
> > > PreOpenStack is executed.
> > >
> > > Is there something about opening a stack from another stack that
> > does
> > > not trigger the PreOpenStack message?
> >
> > Try using "go stack" to the stack file name on disk. This should
> > always
> > trigger a preOpenStack.
> >
> > Aloha from Hawaii,
> >
> > Jim Bufalini
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From jimaultwins at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 31 18:14:48 2009
From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:14:48 -0700
Subject: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time
In-Reply-To: <91C8FAA2-3C27-4E81-A2F4-E3EB0231BFF5@videotron.ca>
References: <91C8FAA2-3C27-4E81-A2F4-E3EB0231BFF5@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <98716B32-27FC-42B0-9DA6-11AED157E220@yahoo.com>

Since you will have a functioning internet connection,
the quick answer would be to ping one of the many free time servers  
out there.
Google search and choose the one you like.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On Aug 31, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> How can I handle daylight savings time in my On-Rev code?  We're  
> currently in DST in Montreal.  When I type
>
> 	put the long time
>
> in Revolution's message box, I get the correct time as
>
> 	5:52:13 PM
>
> but when I ask for the long time in an On-Rev handler I get
>
> 	4:52:13 PM
>
> which is standard time.
>
> Getting the correct local time, at least within a half hour, is  
> critical because it is being used to determine the start and end of  
> an online experiment, and I can't have subject submitting form data  
> outside those times.
>
> Much obliged,
>
> Gregory
>
> P.S.  I'm using a Mac.
> _______________________________________________
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> subscription preferences:
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Jim Ault
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Aug 31 18:22:44 2009
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 00:22:44 +0200
Subject: FYI - NULLs in data to sort
In-Reply-To: <794A5B76-5FE5-4382-A102-3B7119A597F6@ahsomme.com>
References: <794A5B76-5FE5-4382-A102-3B7119A597F6@ahsomme.com>
Message-ID: <F05E4D09-0A21-4F0D-B763-D9F005A70C1B@economy-x-talk.com>

Being unable to sort unicode data would indeed be a Very Bad Thing.

--
Best regards,

Mark Schonewille

Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com

Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com

On 1 sep 2009, at 00:11, Paul Looney wrote:

> General information,
> Over the past several months we have noticed that version 3.5 of Rev  
> is much more sensitive to data that contains NULL characters.
> Several programs that worked well previously, with the same data,  
> broke when using Rev 3.5 - or a standalone made from it.
> The problem comes when the data is sorted; the sorting drops  
> records. Adding the following line, before the sort, fixes the  
> problem for us:
>
> replace NULL with "" in theData --"theData" is whatever variable  
> contains the data to be manipulated.
>
> We had minor problems with NULLs previously, but 3.5 will drop up to  
> 80% of our data.
> One way NULLs can get into a database is if Unicode text is copied  
> from another document.
> Hope this saves you some time.
> Paul Looney


From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug 31 18:31:30 2009
From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:31:30 -0700
Subject: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack in the IDE"
In-Reply-To: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3A8F881C-4789-41FB-A2F4-7B43CD1A58DE@sbcglobal.net>

> Jim,
>
> Hmm... The important part of what I said is not the go or open but  
> using the
> stack "file name" as in *go stack "C:\MyStack.rev"* What version of  
> Rev are
> you using?

Jim,

I have two stacks: Test1 and Test2

I have a button in Test1 with the handler:

on mouseUp
    go stack "/Users/jimhurley/Revolution applications/test2.rev"
end mouseUp

And in the stack script of Test2 I have the handler:

on preopenstack
    beep
end preopenstack

A click on the button in Test1 does not produce a beep.

But the handler in the button:

on mouseUp
    go stack "/Users/jimhurley/Revolution applications/test2.rev"
    send "preopenstack" to stack "test2"
end mouseUp

does produce a beep--not surprisingly. But I am surprised that "go  
stack" or "open stack" do not get me a beep.

I am running RR 3.5 on a Mac.

Jim Hurley

>
> Aloha from Hawaii,
>
> Jim Bufalini
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of James Hurley
> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:05 PM
> > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Subject: Re: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack in the
> > IDE"
> >
> > Jim,
> > It appears that neither "open stack" nor "go stack" will trigger a
> > PreOpenStack message.
> > I am using as a workaround an "open stack" and then sending a
> > PreOpenStack message to the stack.
> > Clumsy but it works.
> >
> > Jim Hurley
> >
> > > James Hurley wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Mark,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right--generally
> > > > speaking.
> > > >
> > > > My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette  
> stack
> > > > with the statement:
> > > >
> > > >     open stack "mystack"
> > > >
> > > > the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed.
> > > >
> > > > On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle  
> menu,
> > > the
> > > > PreOpenStack is executed.
> > > >
> > > > Is there something about opening a stack from another stack that
> > > does
> > > > not trigger the PreOpenStack message?
> > >
> > > Try using "go stack" to the stack file name on disk. This should
> > > always
> > > trigger a preOpenStack.
> > >
> > > Aloha from Hawaii,
> > >
> > > Jim Bufalini
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From support at ahsomme.com  Mon Aug 31 18:31:34 2009
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:31:34 -0700
Subject: FYI - NULLs in data to sort
In-Reply-To: <F05E4D09-0A21-4F0D-B763-D9F005A70C1B@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <794A5B76-5FE5-4382-A102-3B7119A597F6@ahsomme.com>
	<F05E4D09-0A21-4F0D-B763-D9F005A70C1B@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <306E1CE9-0283-46CC-87C0-E886502A852E@ahsomme.com>

Mark,
All of our data is ASCII text - so we don't normally need to deal  
with Unicode. But we have found one source of NULLs in the data is  
from people cutting and pasting into the Notes field in some of the  
programs.
I don't know to what extent any of this applies to pure Unicode data.
PL

On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:22 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Being unable to sort unicode data would indeed be a Very Bad Thing.
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Mark Schonewille
>
> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
>
> Download Snapper Screen Recorder at http://snapper.economy-x-talk.com
>
> On 1 sep 2009, at 00:11, Paul Looney wrote:
>
>> General information,
>> Over the past several months we have noticed that version 3.5 of  
>> Rev is much more sensitive to data that contains NULL characters.
>> Several programs that worked well previously, with the same data,  
>> broke when using Rev 3.5 - or a standalone made from it.
>> The problem comes when the data is sorted; the sorting drops  
>> records. Adding the following line, before the sort, fixes the  
>> problem for us:
>>
>> replace NULL with "" in theData --"theData" is whatever variable  
>> contains the data to be manipulated.
>>
>> We had minor problems with NULLs previously, but 3.5 will drop up  
>> to 80% of our data.
>> One way NULLs can get into a database is if Unicode text is copied  
>> from another document.
>> Hope this saves you some time.
>> Paul Looney
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From support at ahsomme.com  Mon Aug 31 18:32:46 2009
From: support at ahsomme.com (Paul Looney)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:32:46 -0700
Subject: FYI - NULLs in data to sort
In-Reply-To: <4A9C4B0A.90403@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <794A5B76-5FE5-4382-A102-3B7119A597F6@ahsomme.com>
	<4A9C4B0A.90403@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8B784C41-0709-4ECD-BC2C-81D03609D461@ahsomme.com>

Jacque,
I was waiting a bit to see is others had a similar experience, or  
additional insight.
PL

On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:13 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Paul Looney wrote:
>> General information,
>> Over the past several months we have noticed that version 3.5 of  
>> Rev is much more sensitive to data that contains NULL characters.
>
> Would be good to bug report this at the QA Center if you haven't  
> already.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 18:38:04 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 08:38:04 +1000
Subject: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time
In-Reply-To: <91C8FAA2-3C27-4E81-A2F4-E3EB0231BFF5@videotron.ca>
References: <91C8FAA2-3C27-4E81-A2F4-E3EB0231BFF5@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908311538v7ae42b80vb1236119f28834ec@mail.gmail.com>

> How can I handle daylight savings time in my On-Rev code? ?We're currently
> in DST in Montreal. ?When I type
>
> ? ? ? ?put the long time
>
> in Revolution's message box, I get the correct time as
>
> ? ? ? ?5:52:13 PM
>
> but when I ask for the long time in an On-Rev handler I get
>
> ? ? ? ?4:52:13 PM
>
> which is standard time.


The problem is not daylight savings, but that you are getting the time
as it is at the On-Rev server, not the time where your computer is.

You can use a time conversion function, I have an example here
<http://www.troz.net/onrev/samples/showscript.irev?showscript=includes/time.irev>
- check the myTimeFn and adjust the local time zone in the first line
to match your time zone, allowing for daylight savings there.

Or you could store the time in seconds for the start & end of your
experiment. When the data gets back to your system, converting it will
convert it into your local time zone, and you can validate it there.
That won't stop the data being submitted outside the appropriate
hours, but you will be able to discard bad entries later.

Cheers,
Sarah


From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com  Mon Aug 31 18:50:47 2009
From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 15:50:47 -0700
Subject: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time
In-Reply-To: <98716B32-27FC-42B0-9DA6-11AED157E220@yahoo.com>
References: <91C8FAA2-3C27-4E81-A2F4-E3EB0231BFF5@videotron.ca>
	<98716B32-27FC-42B0-9DA6-11AED157E220@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e5e009d70908311550u43492b16s309aabaecee6739b@mail.gmail.com>

Actually google has a time-thingie on the 'home page'
-------------------------
Stephen Barncard
San Francisco
http://houseofcubes.com/disco.irev


2009/8/31 Jim Ault <jimaultwins at yahoo.com>

> Since you will have a functioning internet connection,
> the quick answer would be to ping one of the many free time servers out
> there.
> Google search and choose the one you like.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On Aug 31, 2009, at 2:58 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:
>
>  Hello everyone,
>>
>> How can I handle daylight savings time in my On-Rev code?  We're currently
>> in DST in Montreal.  When I type
>>
>>        put the long time
>>
>> in Revolution's message box, I get the correct time as
>>
>>        5:52:13 PM
>>
>> but when I ask for the long time in an On-Rev handler I get
>>
>>        4:52:13 PM
>>
>> which is standard time.
>>
>> Getting the correct local time, at least within a half hour, is critical
>> because it is being used to determine the start and end of an online
>> experiment, and I can't have subject submitting form data outside those
>> times.
>>
>> Much obliged,
>>
>> Gregory
>>
>> P.S.  I'm using a Mac.
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>
> Jim Ault
> jimaultwins at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Aug 31 18:54:58 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 12:54:58 -1000
Subject: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack in the IDE"
In-Reply-To: <3A8F881C-4789-41FB-A2F4-7B43CD1A58DE@sbcglobal.net>
References: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>
	<3A8F881C-4789-41FB-A2F4-7B43CD1A58DE@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <00ae01ca2a8e$115fe3e0$341faba0$@com>

Hey Jim,

LOL. Instead of *beep*  enter *put "The PreOpenStack handler executed"* into the preOpenStack handler. This will appear in your message box. ;-) It's too premature for the beep.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of James Hurley
> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:32 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack in the
> IDE"
> 
> > Jim,
> >
> > Hmm... The important part of what I said is not the go or open but
> > using the
> > stack "file name" as in *go stack "C:\MyStack.rev"* What version of
> > Rev are
> > you using?
> 
> Jim,
> 
> I have two stacks: Test1 and Test2
> 
> I have a button in Test1 with the handler:
> 
> on mouseUp
>     go stack "/Users/jimhurley/Revolution applications/test2.rev"
> end mouseUp
> 
> And in the stack script of Test2 I have the handler:
> 
> on preopenstack
>     beep
> end preopenstack
> 
> A click on the button in Test1 does not produce a beep.
> 
> But the handler in the button:
> 
> on mouseUp
>     go stack "/Users/jimhurley/Revolution applications/test2.rev"
>     send "preopenstack" to stack "test2"
> end mouseUp
> 
> does produce a beep--not surprisingly. But I am surprised that "go
> stack" or "open stack" do not get me a beep.
> 
> I am running RR 3.5 on a Mac.
> 
> Jim Hurley
> 
> >
> > Aloha from Hawaii,
> >
> > Jim Bufalini
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-
> revolution-
> > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of James Hurley
> > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:05 PM
> > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > Subject: Re: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack in
> the
> > > IDE"
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > > It appears that neither "open stack" nor "go stack" will trigger a
> > > PreOpenStack message.
> > > I am using as a workaround an "open stack" and then sending a
> > > PreOpenStack message to the stack.
> > > Clumsy but it works.
> > >
> > > Jim Hurley
> > >
> > > > James Hurley wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Mark,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right--generally
> > > > > speaking.
> > > > >
> > > > > My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette
> > stack
> > > > > with the statement:
> > > > >
> > > > >     open stack "mystack"
> > > > >
> > > > > the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle
> > menu,
> > > > the
> > > > > PreOpenStack is executed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there something about opening a stack from another stack
> that
> > > > does
> > > > > not trigger the PreOpenStack message?
> > > >
> > > > Try using "go stack" to the stack file name on disk. This should
> > > > always
> > > > trigger a preOpenStack.
> > > >
> > > > Aloha from Hawaii,
> > > >
> > > > Jim Bufalini
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> > Previous message: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack
> > in the IDE"
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Aug 31 19:45:42 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:45:42 -1000
Subject: Beep (was: RE: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack in
	the IDE")
In-Reply-To: <00ae01ca2a8e$115fe3e0$341faba0$@com>
References: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>	<3A8F881C-4789-41FB-A2F4-7B43CD1A58DE@sbcglobal.net>
	<00ae01ca2a8e$115fe3e0$341faba0$@com>
Message-ID: <000001ca2a95$27906a70$76b13f50$@com>

You know what? I thought about what I dashed off after I wrote it and thought that's wrong. Beep should work in a preOpenStack. So, I tested it. It doesn't work. In fact, beep doesn't work on my Vista machine in 2.9, 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0, even in a button or from the message box. But, it does work in 2.8.1, in a button and preOpenStack and message box. Can anyone confirm this?



> Hey Jim,
> 
> LOL. Instead of *beep*  enter *put "The PreOpenStack handler executed"*
> into the preOpenStack handler. This will appear in your message box. ;-
> ) It's too premature for the beep.
> 
> Aloha from Hawaii,
> 
> Jim Bufalini
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of James Hurley
> > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:32 PM
> > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Subject: Re: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack in the
> > IDE"
> >
> > > Jim,
> > >
> > > Hmm... The important part of what I said is not the go or open but
> > > using the
> > > stack "file name" as in *go stack "C:\MyStack.rev"* What version of
> > > Rev are
> > > you using?
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > I have two stacks: Test1 and Test2
> >
> > I have a button in Test1 with the handler:
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >     go stack "/Users/jimhurley/Revolution applications/test2.rev"
> > end mouseUp
> >
> > And in the stack script of Test2 I have the handler:
> >
> > on preopenstack
> >     beep
> > end preopenstack
> >
> > A click on the button in Test1 does not produce a beep.
> >
> > But the handler in the button:
> >
> > on mouseUp
> >     go stack "/Users/jimhurley/Revolution applications/test2.rev"
> >     send "preopenstack" to stack "test2"
> > end mouseUp
> >
> > does produce a beep--not surprisingly. But I am surprised that "go
> > stack" or "open stack" do not get me a beep.
> >
> > I am running RR 3.5 on a Mac.
> >
> > Jim Hurley
> >
> > >
> > > Aloha from Hawaii,
> > >
> > > Jim Bufalini
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-
> > revolution-
> > > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of James Hurley
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 12:05 PM
> > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack in
> > the
> > > > IDE"
> > > >
> > > > Jim,
> > > > It appears that neither "open stack" nor "go stack" will trigger
> a
> > > > PreOpenStack message.
> > > > I am using as a workaround an "open stack" and then sending a
> > > > PreOpenStack message to the stack.
> > > > Clumsy but it works.
> > > >
> > > > Jim Hurley
> > > >
> > > > > James Hurley wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Mark,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks. On further testing I see that you are right--
> generally
> > > > > > speaking.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My problem is when I attempt to open a stack from a Palette
> > > stack
> > > > > > with the statement:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >     open stack "mystack"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > the stack opens but the PreOpenStack handler is not executed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the on the other hand, If I open it from Open in the FIle
> > > menu,
> > > > > the
> > > > > > PreOpenStack is executed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there something about opening a stack from another stack
> > that
> > > > > does
> > > > > > not trigger the PreOpenStack message?
> > > > >
> > > > > Try using "go stack" to the stack file name on disk. This
> should
> > > > > always
> > > > > trigger a preOpenStack.
> > > > >
> > > > > Aloha from Hawaii,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim Bufalini
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > > subscription preferences:
> > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > >
> > > Previous message: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack
> > > in the IDE"
> > > Next message: FYI - NULLs in data to sort
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From jim at visitrieve.com  Mon Aug 31 20:03:07 2009
From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:03:07 -1000
Subject: Beep (was: RE: Open stack from another stack--Was "PreOpenStack
	in	the IDE")
In-Reply-To: <000001ca2a95$27906a70$76b13f50$@com>
References: <20090831170005.05B1F48AB06@mail.runrev.com>	<3A8F881C-4789-41FB-A2F4-7B43CD1A58DE@sbcglobal.net>	<00ae01ca2a8e$115fe3e0$341faba0$@com>
	<000001ca2a95$27906a70$76b13f50$@com>
Message-ID: <000101ca2a97$969cfee0$c3d6fca0$@com>

Just tested on XP machines. Beep works in all cases there including preOpenStack which, of course, does execute when opened from another stack. Weird.

Aloha from Hawaii,

Jim Bufalini

> You know what? I thought about what I dashed off after I wrote it and
> thought that's wrong. Beep should work in a preOpenStack. So, I tested
> it. It doesn't work. In fact, beep doesn't work on my Vista machine in
> 2.9, 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0, even in a button or from the message box. But,
> it does work in 2.8.1, in a button and preOpenStack and message box.
> Can anyone confirm this?
> 




From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Mon Aug 31 20:27:39 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:27:39 -0400
Subject: [OT] Styled Text in iWeb
Message-ID: <6FA2D16B-0673-4F05-9A91-6D2175824914@videotron.ca>

Hi everyone,

Suppose I'm using some iFrame tags in iWeb HTML snippets to display  
the results of handlers of irev code.  Does anyone know what  
formatting codes I would use to give the text in those frames the same  
style as that of the default Text Boxes for the particular iWeb theme  
being used?

Regards,

	Gregory


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 20:37:36 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 10:37:36 +1000
Subject: [OT] Styled Text in iWeb
In-Reply-To: <6FA2D16B-0673-4F05-9A91-6D2175824914@videotron.ca>
References: <6FA2D16B-0673-4F05-9A91-6D2175824914@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908311737y7e2d714aq7309a17de5271546@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Gregory
Lypny<gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Suppose I'm using some iFrame tags in iWeb HTML snippets to display the
> results of handlers of irev code. ?Does anyone know what formatting codes I
> would use to give the text in those frames the same style as that of the
> default Text Boxes for the particular iWeb theme being used?


You'll need to look at the source of the page produced by iWeb and
find a section that is formatted the way you want.
It may just be enclosed in tags that take their default format from
the style sheet, in which case you just need to apply those tags.
Or it may be set to a particular style, in which case you need to
apply that style as well.

e.g. if you find a section you want to copy looks like this:
    <p>Here is some text</p>
Then you just need to start your text with "<p>" and end it with "</p>"
The 'p' could be anything, representing any type of tag.

If you find a section you want to copy looks like any of these:
    <div class="textbox">Here is some text</div>
    <span class="textbox">Here is some text</span>
    <div style="font-family: serif">Here is some text</div>
Then you need to surround your text with the appropriate tags, not
forgetting to insert the quotes as required.

Cheers,
Sarah


From mcgrath3 at mac.com  Mon Aug 31 21:46:10 2009
From: mcgrath3 at mac.com (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:46:10 -0400
Subject: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time
In-Reply-To: <91C8FAA2-3C27-4E81-A2F4-E3EB0231BFF5@videotron.ca>
References: <91C8FAA2-3C27-4E81-A2F4-E3EB0231BFF5@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <59DFE488-4C09-4406-8603-3D4CE245B220@mac.com>

I believe the servers for on-rev are in Texas so I think that is where  
you are getting the 4:52 from. It will be consistent with texas time  
so you can add or take away from that.

HTHs


Tom McGrath III
Lazy River Software
3mcgrath at comcast.net

iTunes Library Suite - libITS
Information and download can be found on this page:
http://www.lazyriversoftware.com/RevOne.html






On Aug 31, 2009, at 5:58 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> How can I handle daylight savings time in my On-Rev code?  We're  
> currently in DST in Montreal.  When I type
>
> 	put the long time
>
> in Revolution's message box, I get the correct time as
>
> 	5:52:13 PM
>
> but when I ask for the long time in an On-Rev handler I get
>
> 	4:52:13 PM
>
> which is standard time.
>
> Getting the correct local time, at least within a half hour, is  
> critical because it is being used to determine the start and end of  
> an online experiment, and I can't have subject submitting form data  
> outside those times.
>
> Much obliged,
>
> Gregory
>
> P.S.  I'm using a Mac.
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon Aug 31 22:50:54 2009
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:50:54 -0500
Subject: Rev Documentation [WAS: Launch another app from my standalone]
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Adrian Williams wrote:
>
> Dans' book, great though it is as a primer, is not as accessible as 
> many 'QuickStart' guidebooks available these days.
I wouldn't expect too much from a "Quick Start Guide to Piloting the 
Space Shuttle."  Complicated topics are hard condense down into a "Quick 
Start."  As I think Jim mentioned, authors have to write to an audience. 
I don't think it's possible to write a book that can be useful to a rank 
beginner AND a programming professional.  They are different audiences 
with different needs and have to be "spoken" to in different ways.

What would be cool would be some sort of online documentation resource 
that had an "I Get It" scrollbar that would show or hide more or less 
detail depending on whether it's on the "Beginner" or "Expert" end.  
While were at it, we could have platform buttons so if you only really 
cared about Windows, you wouldn't see OS X and Linux examples (where 
they are different).  There might be an indication that there ARE other 
things available there (or not) but you wouldn't have to look at it if 
you didn't want to.

I'll probably start working on such a program since now that I think 
about it, it's a pretty cool idea.  The hard part of course is creating 
and maintaining the content.  I'll do the "easy" part of creating the 
program and then we can all pitch in and create content.

len morgan


From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca  Mon Aug 31 23:07:05 2009
From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 23:07:05 -0400
Subject: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time (Addendum)
Message-ID: <908EE9EA-9749-4069-A16F-15A2BD4597ED@videotron.ca>

Just a little more detail on my previous post.  Would appreciate  
anyone confirming that iRev does not adjust for local Daylight Savings  
Time or I've misunderstood something because this has the potential to  
really mess up my work if I get it wrong.

There's a difference of one hour as this code in iRev

<?rev
put the seconds & "</br>"
convert the seconds to dateItems
put it & "</br>"
put the long time
?>

returns

1251773601
2009,8,31,21,53,21,2
9:53:21 PM

and the equivalent handler in Revolution

put the seconds
convert the seconds to dateItems
put return & it after msg
put return & the long time after msg

run three seconds later, returns

1251773604
2009,8,31,22,53,24,2
10:53:24 PM

Sigh,

	Gregory
	Frustrated in Montreal (DST)


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 23:25:44 2009
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 13:25:44 +1000
Subject: On-Rev and Daylight Savings Time (Addendum)
In-Reply-To: <908EE9EA-9749-4069-A16F-15A2BD4597ED@videotron.ca>
References: <908EE9EA-9749-4069-A16F-15A2BD4597ED@videotron.ca>
Message-ID: <f99b52860908312025h1ba866c1jb0fc3934bcb602a8@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Gregory Lypny<gregory.lypny at videotron.ca> wrote:
> Just a little more detail on my previous post. ?Would appreciate anyone
> confirming that iRev does not adjust for local Daylight Savings Time or I've
> misunderstood something because this has the potential to really mess up my
> work if I get it wrong.
>
> There's a difference of one hour as this code in iRev
>
> <?rev
> put the seconds & "</br>"
> convert the seconds to dateItems
> put it & "</br>"
> put the long time
> ?>
>
> returns
>
> 1251773601
> 2009,8,31,21,53,21,2
> 9:53:21 PM
>
> and the equivalent handler in Revolution
>
> put the seconds
> convert the seconds to dateItems
> put return & it after msg
> put return & the long time after msg
>
> run three seconds later, returns
>
> 1251773604
> 2009,8,31,22,53,24,2
> 10:53:24 PM
>

It really isn't a daylight savings issue. The difference is that when
you use iRev, the computer that is getting the time is physically in
Texas, so you are getting Texan time, not Montreal time. The fact that
this is exactly 1 hour different to yours is throwing you off the
track. In fact both Montreal & Texas are on daylight savings time at
the moment, as far as I can see.

"the seconds" records any instant in time as the same number,
regardless of where the computer is, but when that number is
converted, the time zone of the computer doing the conversion is taken
into account. This is why your computer gives a different result to
the server computer in Texas.

As a test, get "the internet date" on both your computer and from an
iRev script. The last word of this gives the time zone of the computer
reporting the time and in your case it should be -0400, while the iRev
script should give -0500 (or -0500 & -0600 after daylight savings time
stops). These can be used to do a conversion to your local time.

Cheers,
Sarah