From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Apr 1 00:30:12 2009 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 21:30:12 -0700 Subject: Animate contents of a stack/card to turn like a page In-Reply-To: <7FEE3CAD-1630-418E-A9A0-595039B60080@mac.com> Message-ID: > This may be totally OT, but I can't help mentioning that the most > sophisticated page-turning system I've ever seen is the one used by > the British Library. I can't help but find it amusing that even as we become ever more sophisticated in technology, media, and new methods of communication, we're still looking for ways to recreate the turning of a printed page... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 00:51:23 2009 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:51:23 +0800 Subject: Animate contents of a stack/card to turn like a page In-Reply-To: References: <7FEE3CAD-1630-418E-A9A0-595039B60080@mac.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > > I can't help but find it amusing that even as we become ever more > sophisticated in technology, media, and new methods of communication, we're > still looking for ways to recreate the turning of a printed page... > > Funny I was thinking the same thing. Surely if I want that effect all I need do is: on turnPage get up from chair go to bookShelf get book from shelf open book go next page end turnPage Or am I missing something ;-) From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 01:48:43 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:48:43 +1000 Subject: referenced images vs. images? In-Reply-To: <49F01A23-CDC5-44AF-B855-CEAAA1FE8B49@mac.com> References: <49F01A23-CDC5-44AF-B855-CEAAA1FE8B49@mac.com> Message-ID: > I have a stack with a lot of images, about 500 megs worth. Opening ?and > saving the standalone is very slow, so I redid the entire stack and imported > the same images as referenced images from a separate folder instead of > simply importing them into the stack. I thought that the stack size would > drop from 550 megs to 50 megs by having referenced images outside of the > stack, but it doesn't - it stays the same size and is just as slow. Also, > when saving the standalone, there seems to be no way to include the folder > that contains the referenced images, and in the standalone there is just a > grey rectangle where the images are supposed to be, obviously because the > wasn't included in the standalone. > > What am I doing wrong? Have I misunderstood the concept of referenced images > completely? I found no answers in the Rev docs and am a little bit > frustrated! If the size of your standalone hasn't changed, it appears that the images are still stored as part of the stack. You will need to clear them all out before building - put empty into img "MyImage" will work I think. Then your standalone needs to know where to find the images relative to your standalone. Are you building for Mac, Windows, Linux or all of the above? In Windows, you can install the images folder in the same folder as your app so you can do: set the filename of image "Image1" to "Images/image1.jpg" In Mac, the standalone is actually buried inside an application bundle, which is a folder in disguise. Get into it by right-clicking on the app and choosing "Show Package Contents". Drill down in to the folders and you will find your standalone. Your app needs to look for the images folder relative to this location. The easiest is probably put the images folder inside the bundle, so it is hidden from the casual user. If you put it in the MacOS folder with your standalone, you can use the same references as for the Windows version. For Linux, I have no idea but I'm sure someone else will be able to help if that's what you need. Cheers, Sarah From geradamas at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 04:24:07 2009 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 01:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT] Conflicker worm Message-ID: <83336.31994.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Maybe I'm a smug b*gger, but I have been reading all sorts of stuff about the potential danger posed by the "Conflicker" worm/virus. There are all sorts of 'helpful' articles about how to avoid the effect of this virus. These sorts of panics come round in a cyclical sort of way (cue some academic to run up a nifty PhD thesis on modern mythologising) and they always follow the same pattern. 1. What, to my mind, is extremely odd about all these articles is they never once mention the way to guarantee 100% that you will not be affected by the virus: Use an operating system that isn't made by Microsoft. 2. What I also don't understand is how Microsoft can merrily go on producing variants on an operating system which is vulnerable to this sort of attack. Microsoft have put up $250,000 to catch the author of Conflicker: wouldn't that money be far better spent making sure that the next version of Windows didn't leak like a farmer's riddle? 3. People are still prepared to go on buying an operating system which is vulnerable to this sort of attack. 4. W. C. Fields. As open source software become more mature, and some commercial firms are releasing their software under a type of Free license, surely Microsoft's complacency (ah, got it, that's the word; 'complacency') becomes increasingly unsupportable. The other word that comes to mind is 'complicit'. Maybe I have a dirty mind, but sometimes I can't help thinking about something that happened about 4 years ago: Canonical sent me a box of Ubuntu and Kubuntu CDs; so, naive as a Spring chicken, I wandered round the town (Plovdiv, Bulgaria) offering these CDs in the many shops that sold second-hand PCs. No takers! Why? At every single shop the response was the same: We know that Linux is in very many respects superior to Windows; but if we installed it on the computers we sold we would lose most of our custom; not because people want Windows, as we could explain and demonstrate to them the superiority of Linux, but because a customer with Windows installed will return to us with software problems on average once every 6 weeks and pay us to sort it out. W. C. Fields; again. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From camm29 at tesco.net Wed Apr 1 05:57:06 2009 From: camm29 at tesco.net (camm29 at tesco.net) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:57:06 +0100 Subject: Can anybody HELP !! In-Reply-To: <49D27258.8030807@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <20090401105706.DWGFE.44313.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> Thanks everyone involved .... This is a show stopper for me as the only reason I need to purchase Rev 3.0.0 is for the need to access more than 9 serial com ports , a previous bug in 2.8.1 prevented this. This is why i am testing using the trial version , if that cannot build then I don't what to waste my money. Bug report - are you saying I need to raise a new one or update the old reports ? If i can remember how to do it...... Regards Camm ---- "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > Jim Bufalini wrote: > > Hey Jacque, > > > > He said in two different posts: > > I got curious and did a database search through the ticket queue, and > you're right, back in October of last year he did tell us he was using > the trial version. It was buried in a list of correspondence, and it > went right past me. That does give us a valid starting point, and I wish > I'd noticed it sooner. So thanks for tracking that down, it helps. > > And Camm, I apologize for talking about you here in the third person. If > you haven't already, make sure you stress in your bug report that this > is happening in the trial version, since I bet the team will do the same > thing I did. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 07:09:17 2009 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:09:17 +0800 Subject: [OT] Conflicker worm In-Reply-To: <83336.31994.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <83336.31994.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: You don't think your over stating reality a bit. Whilst I whole heartedly agree with the overall sentiment of your post, I certainly wouldn't want to back that 100% guarantee with cold hard cash;-) Surely you, as a xplatform programmer can appreciate that it's just as easy to write malicious code for Win as it is for OS X or Linux - OK, yeah there are a lot more holes in Win so it's easier, but still, there are enough holes left in OS X and Linux that a 100% guarantee is not possible. It's a bit like suggesting that because I've never seen a Rolls Royce broken down (if you have then pick an Aston Martin, Maybach, Pagani, Hummer, De Loren, Caterham, Bentley, DAX, Koenigsegg, McLaren (road not F1) or similar) I would be crazy to consider a Ford because I've seen plenty of them needing road side assistance. If MS closed doors tomorrow and Linux became the prevalent OS of the World you'd be dreaming if you thought it would be the end of malware. Maybe I'm just pessimistic. From geradamas at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 07:54:29 2009 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 04:54:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [OT] Conflicker worm Message-ID: <138723.11731.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Kay C Lan wrote: "You don't think your over stating reality a bit." (sic) Yes, I was over stating things by quite a lot. Parenthetically, one could use Runtime Revolution to run up a vicious little program that would do lots of damage . . . Yes, you've guessed it . . . cross-platform. I don't think I want to see a Linux-only world. I would really like to see a world with far more competing operating systems. The real message of my posting was about the people at Redmond. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From viktoras at ekoinf.net Wed Apr 1 10:09:11 2009 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 17:09:11 +0300 Subject: [OTOTOT] accommodation in London In-Reply-To: <138723.11731.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <138723.11731.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49D37587.5040504@ekoinf.net> I will be coming to the e-biosphere event (http://www.e-biosphere09.org/) May 30 - June 5. Would appreciate if anyone could share experience on accommodation options in London (not too expensive, preferably, I'm taking my family). What to avoid, what to search for?.. Thanks in advance :-) Viktoras From mstuart at adaptcrm.com Wed Apr 1 11:42:50 2009 From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 07:42:50 -0800 Subject: Animate contents of a stack/card to turn like a page Message-ID: Written by Kay C Lan on Tue Mar 31, 2009 - 11:51 PM CDT Scott, Kay... I would say you're not missing anything with your perceptions. If you Mac OS X users would like to see what I'm talking about, check this out: http://www.acrylicapps.com/times/ Scroll to the bottom of the page (not turn the page) and view the middle image. If you have Mac OS X Leopard handy, down load a trial (button top right), and let me know what you think of page curling. Note: I don't have a Mac to see this work. Regards, Mark Stuart On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > > I can't help but find it amusing that even as we become ever more > sophisticated in technology, media, and new methods of communication, we're > still looking for ways to recreate the turning of a printed page... > > Funny I was thinking the same thing. Surely if I want that effect all I need do is: on turnPage get up from chair go to bookShelf get book from shelf open book go next page end turnPage Or am I missing something ;-) Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems From jim at visitrieve.com Wed Apr 1 11:58:59 2009 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 05:58:59 -1000 Subject: Message Path article updated for Behaviors In-Reply-To: <49D26B2F.3070106@fourthworld.com> References: <49D26B2F.3070106@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <000d01c9b2e2$c5cdc640$516952c0$@com> Hi Richard, Very well written. ;-) Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Richard Gaskin > Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 9:13 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Message Path article updated for Behaviors > > Now that v3.5 is close to release with its nifty new Behaviors feature, > I've updated my article on the Message Path to include a section > introducing the basics of using this powerful addition to the language: > > Extending the Runtime Revolution Message Path: > An introduction to using Libraries, FrontScripts, > BackScripts and Behaviors in Revolution > ml> > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World > Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com > Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Apr 1 13:23:42 2009 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:23:42 -0500 Subject: Can anybody HELP !! In-Reply-To: <20090401105706.DWGFE.44313.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> References: <20090401105706.DWGFE.44313.root@web11-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> Message-ID: <49D3A31E.9070702@hyperactivesw.com> camm29 at tesco.net wrote: > Thanks everyone involved .... > > This is a show stopper for me as the only reason I need to purchase Rev 3.0.0 is for the need to access more than 9 serial com ports , a previous bug in 2.8.1 prevented this. > This is why i am testing using the trial version , if that cannot build then I don't what to waste my money. I think we've proved that the problem only happens in the trial version, since no one with a full licensed version can repeat the error. I think you are safe in upgrading. > Bug report - are you saying I need to raise a new one or update the old reports ? > If i can remember how to do it...... Update the old one, and mention the problem only occurs in the trial version. That is an important distinction, because the licensed version builds your stacks without any problem. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From larsbrehmer at mac.com Wed Apr 1 14:44:53 2009 From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 21:44:53 +0300 Subject: referenced images vs. images? Message-ID: <9AFAD2C3-CA6D-44EE-8F80-961BFA4FC16B@mac.com> Thank you for the tip Sarah! However something is wrong. Terribly and strangely wrong. I made a folder with all photos, delete all corresponding photos in the stack, and reimported them as referenced images. The stack is STILL 550 megs! The standalone contains the following: 12 kb the stack that is the standalone 36 kb a second main stack 628 kb all images in the in the main stack that are the icons and graphics of the interface 5.8mb the referenced folder that contains the photos in question 2.3mb the executable This adds up to about 8.8 mb. The main stack has 130 cards all with the same background group, so without the photos, it should be about 700 kb tops, so the standalone shoud be about 9.5 mb. But it is STILL 550 mb! And it takes 8 seconds to launch, either in Rev or as a standalone. It saves itself when it closes, which also takes 8 seconds. In both cases the beachball shows up. I opened a copy of the main stack and deleted all cards but one, including even the card with the 628 kb of icon images. I saved it, closed Rev and guess what? The stack file is is still 550 mb!!!!!!!! The build has nothing included at all, no ask/answer, no database support, no fonts, absolutely nothing! Has anyone ever seen anything like this? It is driving me crazy!!!!!!!!! Cheers, Lars by the way, in my original post below, it says 500 megs of images. that is not even correct (I just lookes at the file size without thinking.) There are only 5.8 megs of photos, so if I left them in the main stack, it should still be under 7 mb! > >> I have a stack with a lot of images, about 500 megs worth. Opening >> and >> saving the standalone is very slow, so I redid the entire stack and >> imported >> the same images as referenced images from a separate folder instead >> of >> simply importing them into the stack. I thought that the stack size >> would >> drop from 550 megs to 50 megs by having referenced images outside >> of the >> stack, but it doesn't - it stays the same size and is just as slow. >> Also, >> when saving the standalone, there seems to be no way to include the >> folder >> that contains the referenced images, and in the standalone there is >> just a >> grey rectangle where the images are supposed to be, obviously >> because the >> wasn't included in the standalone. >> >> What am I doing wrong? Have I misunderstood the concept of >> referenced images >> completely? I found no answers in the Rev docs and am a little bit >> frustrated! > > > If the size of your standalone hasn't changed, it appears that the > images are still stored as part of the stack. > You will need to clear them all out before building - put empty into > img "MyImage" will work I think. > Then your standalone needs to know where to find the images relative > to your standalone. > > In Mac, the standalone is actually buried inside an application > bundle, which is a folder in disguise. > Get into it by right-clicking on the app and choosing "Show Package > Contents". > Drill down in to the folders and you will find your standalone. > Your app needs to look for the images folder relative to this > location. The easiest is probably put the images folder inside the > bundle, so it is hidden from the casual user. If you put it in the > MacOS folder with your standalone, you can use the same references as > for the Windows version. > > Cheers, > Sarah From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Apr 1 15:01:33 2009 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (stephen barncard) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 12:01:33 -0700 Subject: referenced images vs. images? In-Reply-To: <9AFAD2C3-CA6D-44EE-8F80-961BFA4FC16B@mac.com> References: <9AFAD2C3-CA6D-44EE-8F80-961BFA4FC16B@mac.com> Message-ID: Have you compacted the stack? Check compact in the docs ------------------------- Stephen Barncard San Francisco http://barncard.com 2009/4/1 Lars Brehmer > Thank you for the tip Sarah! > > However something is wrong. Terribly and strangely wrong. I made a folder > with all photos, delete all corresponding photos in the stack, and > reimported them as referenced images. The stack is STILL 550 megs! The > standalone contains the following: > > 12 kb the stack that is the standalone > 36 kb a second main stack > 628 kb all images in the in the main stack that are the icons and graphics > of the interface > 5.8mb the referenced folder that contains the photos in question > 2.3mb the executable > > This adds up to about 8.8 mb. The main stack has 130 cards all with the > same background group, so without the photos, it should be about 700 kb > tops, so the standalone shoud be about 9.5 mb. But it is STILL 550 mb! And > it takes 8 seconds to launch, either in Rev or as a standalone. It saves > itself when it closes, which also takes 8 seconds. In both cases the > beachball shows up. > > I opened a copy of the main stack and deleted all cards but one, including > even the card with the 628 kb of icon images. I saved it, closed Rev and > guess what? The stack file is is still 550 mb!!!!!!!! > > The build has nothing included at all, no ask/answer, no database support, > no fonts, absolutely nothing! > > Has anyone ever seen anything like this? It is driving me crazy!!!!!!!!! > > Cheers, > > Lars > > by the way, in my original post below, it says 500 megs of images. that is > not even correct (I just lookes at the file size without thinking.) There > are only 5.8 megs of photos, so if I left them in the main stack, it should > still be under 7 mb! > > >> I have a stack with a lot of images, about 500 megs worth. Opening and >>> saving the standalone is very slow, so I redid the entire stack and >>> imported >>> the same images as referenced images from a separate folder instead of >>> simply importing them into the stack. I thought that the stack size would >>> drop from 550 megs to 50 megs by having referenced images outside of the >>> stack, but it doesn't - it stays the same size and is just as slow. Also, >>> when saving the standalone, there seems to be no way to include the >>> folder >>> that contains the referenced images, and in the standalone there is just >>> a >>> grey rectangle where the images are supposed to be, obviously because the >>> wasn't included in the standalone. >>> >>> What am I doing wrong? Have I misunderstood the concept of referenced >>> images >>> completely? I found no answers in the Rev docs and am a little bit >>> frustrated! >>> >> >> >> If the size of your standalone hasn't changed, it appears that the >> images are still stored as part of the stack. >> You will need to clear them all out before building - put empty into >> img "MyImage" will work I think. >> Then your standalone needs to know where to find the images relative >> to your standalone. >> >> In Mac, the standalone is actually buried inside an application >> bundle, which is a folder in disguise. >> Get into it by right-clicking on the app and choosing "Show Package >> Contents". >> Drill down in to the folders and you will find your standalone. >> Your app needs to look for the images folder relative to this >> location. The easiest is probably put the images folder inside the >> bundle, so it is hidden from the casual user. If you put it in the >> MacOS folder with your standalone, you can use the same references as >> for the Windows version. >> >> Cheers, >> Sarah >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Apr 1 15:09:15 2009 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:09:15 -0700 Subject: referenced images vs. images? In-Reply-To: <9AFAD2C3-CA6D-44EE-8F80-961BFA4FC16B@mac.com> Message-ID: Recently, Lars Brehmer wrote: > However something is wrong. Terribly and strangely wrong. I made a > folder with all photos, delete all corresponding photos in the stack, > and reimported them as referenced images. The stack is STILL 550 megs! Are you actually "importing" the images? If so, you are embedding the images in your stack. Not sure if you've tried this but in the File menu you use the "New Referenced Control" command to create a referenced image (alternatively you can choose the submenu All Images In Folder... to import a folder of images). I just did a quick test using New Referenced Control > All Images In Folder... To import 10 images into a stack. The total filesize of the images is 430K, but the resulting stack saves in 2K. It seems that something else is going on in your stack. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From devin_asay at byu.edu Wed Apr 1 15:38:58 2009 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:38:58 -0600 Subject: referenced images vs. images? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Recently, Lars Brehmer wrote: > However something is wrong. Terribly and strangely wrong. I made a > folder with all photos, delete all corresponding photos in the stack, > and reimported them as referenced images. The stack is STILL 550 megs! Lars, Depending on how you do it, it is possible to actually import image data into a stack using a reference. For example, this: put URL "http://www.example.com/someImage.gif" into image "myImage" It will download the image data from the remote file and put it permanently into the stack. It would work the same way with a local file: put URL "binfile:/folder/someImage.gif" into image "myImage" To just reference the external file, set the filename property: set the filename of image "myImage" to "/folder/someImage.gif" HTH Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Wed Apr 1 17:46:55 2009 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 23:46:55 +0200 Subject: [ANN]: Kaleidoscope Gallery (and a corrupted stack) Message-ID: <49D3E0CF.8020305@hrz.uni-kassel.de> I have uploaded a Kaleidoscope Gallery - about 30 images on 5 cards - to . While putting the examples together using a number of differing techniques, the working stack suddenly became totally corrupt the day before yesterday, this having been preceded by rather frequent crashes described in bug report 7812. After having been notified that bug # 7812 has now been fixed with Rev version 3.5-RC1, I had used my stack with that new version (and alternatively with 3.0-gm3), and soon after having opened the stack with both versions the "corruption" occured. There is not even a "backup" stack anywhere on my harddisk, one of those preceded by a "tilde" (~), to which I was referred to by the Rev error dialog. I opened the remnants of the corrupt stack with a text editor and saw that about 20 scripts had completely disappeared, meaning that about a week's work was lost. I am in the course of reconstructing the scripts, there are no special problems involved, but it takes some time. Before the corruption, apart from the crashes a number of weird things had happened, among them - A simple "flip horizontal" script refused to stop (no repeat loops were involved here) and went on forever. - A number of buttons in a supporting stack - one from which I wanted to import some relevant scripts - were being deleted, presumably because they were incompatible with the # 7812 problem.- I will describe the procedures used to create the kaleidoscopic images in greater detail later. They will be part of my announced "Gradientology" stack. For the time being I mention a few general principles here: - The main principle to create kaleidoscopic images is to apply mirrors, especially "diagonal" mirrors, but in conjunction with non-diagonal mirrors. There are a number of such mirrors in my "Imagedata Toolkit" stack () - Another element involves using snapshots of rotated images and to super-impose their imagedata. - Then modifying the imagedata by changing the colors can be an essential element (e.g. "duplicating colors" in my "Imagedata Toolkit" stack and elsewhere). - Skewing, stretching, and resizing are other useful techniques. A short description of the main steps in one approach: 1. I create an image that contains a number of squares with bi-directional gradients (again: see the "Imagedata Toolkit") 2. The image is "skewed" by a chosen factor 3. A "triangle" is chosen from anywhere in the image. 4. This triangle is positioned four times at the top, right, bottom, and left side of the image 5. This image created so far is rotated by an angle of 45 and superimposed with the original image, thus producing an octagonally mirrored kaleidoscope. 6. If you repeat this latter process with an angle of 22.5 you get a sixteenfold kaleidoscope.-- Enjoy the examples of the gallery. IMHO I think that Revolution has a much greater potential to create kaleidoscopic images than an number of programs and results I found with Google searches on the net. Best regards, Wilhelm Sanke From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 22:05:53 2009 From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 19:05:53 -0700 Subject: [ANN]: Kaleidoscope Gallery (and a corrupted stack) In-Reply-To: <49D3E0CF.8020305@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <49D3E0CF.8020305@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <4be051070904011905p64d0d13du1e4633d13564fae@mail.gmail.com> Nice... I like! Judy http://revined.blogspot.com On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > I have uploaded a Kaleidoscope Gallery - about 30 images on 5 cards - to > > . > > While putting the examples together using a number of differing techniques, > the working stack suddenly became totally corrupt the day before yesterday, > this having been preceded by rather frequent crashes described in bug report > 7812. > > After having been notified that bug # 7812 has now been fixed with Rev > version 3.5-RC1, I had used my stack with that new version (and > alternatively with 3.0-gm3), and soon after having opened the stack with > both versions the "corruption" occured. There is not even a "backup" stack > anywhere on my harddisk, one of those preceded by a "tilde" (~), to which I > was referred to by the Rev error dialog. > > I opened the remnants of the corrupt stack with a text editor and saw that > about 20 scripts had completely disappeared, meaning that about a week's > work was lost. I am in the course of reconstructing the scripts, there are > no special problems involved, but it takes some time. > > Before the corruption, apart from the crashes a number of weird things had > happened, among them > > - A simple "flip horizontal" script refused to stop (no repeat loops were > involved here) and went on forever. > > - A number of buttons in a supporting stack - one from which I wanted to > import some relevant scripts - were being deleted, presumably because they > were incompatible with the # 7812 problem.- > > I will describe the procedures used to create the kaleidoscopic images in > greater detail later. They will be part of my announced "Gradientology" > stack. For the time being I mention a few general principles here: > > - The main principle to create kaleidoscopic images is to apply mirrors, > especially "diagonal" mirrors, but in conjunction with non-diagonal mirrors. > There are a number of such mirrors in my "Imagedata Toolkit" stack (< > http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImageDataToolkitPreview3.zip>) > > - Another element involves using snapshots of rotated images and to > super-impose their imagedata. > > - Then modifying the imagedata by changing the colors can be an essential > element (e.g. "duplicating colors" in my "Imagedata Toolkit" stack and > elsewhere). > > - Skewing, stretching, and resizing are other useful techniques. > > A short description of the main steps in one approach: > > 1. I create an image that contains a number of squares with bi-directional > gradients (again: see the "Imagedata Toolkit") > > 2. The image is "skewed" by a chosen factor > > 3. A "triangle" is chosen from anywhere in the image. > > 4. This triangle is positioned four times at the top, right, bottom, and > left side of the image > > 5. This image created so far is rotated by an angle of 45 and superimposed > with the original image, thus producing an octagonally mirrored > kaleidoscope. > > 6. If you repeat this latter process with an angle of 22.5 you get a > sixteenfold kaleidoscope.-- > > Enjoy the examples of the gallery. > > IMHO I think that Revolution has a much greater potential to create > kaleidoscopic images than an number of programs and results I found with > Google searches on the net. > > Best regards, > > Wilhelm Sanke > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From david at vaudevillecourt.tv Thu Apr 2 09:52:04 2009 From: david at vaudevillecourt.tv (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:52:04 +0100 Subject: Creating complex graphic objects Message-ID: I've a couple of shapes that I need to create for an app that lend themselves to the use of the graphic control - because I want them at various sizes and also because they use "markers" on a graphic shape. The problems is the complexity of tweaking the points by hand. I know of experiments importing geometry from apps like Illustrator - but was wandering if anyone has any examples / a library of shapes or techniques to make this easier? For instance the shapes I need are "stars" - that I can dynamically colour. By roughly drawing a star and then: set the editmode of the selectedobject to "polygon" I can tweak the shape manually which helps a lot. But when it comes to more complex structures it would be good to draw them in illustrator and import the geometry. For instance - I also want to create circles with variable numbers of evenly spaced marker points(iIdeally the arcs would have arrows on them to indicate a clockwise flow). It would be "nice" not to have to create these as images at different scales and import them from an external app - but AFAIK its not really practical at the moment. Any suggestions? From geradamas at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 12:39:32 2009 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:39:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Creating complex graphic objects Message-ID: <356921.26058.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Created a circle with a numbers of evenly spaced clockwise arrows in Inkscape and saved to EPS; all very straightforward (especially as that is probably the first time in my life I have ever used a vector graphics program - Yup, no fooling). Blow me down: under File/Import as Control/ if EPS File. . . isn't greyed out (Mac) in RR 1.1, 2.0.1 and 2.6.1 and has disappeared completely from the menu by 2.9 tried: import EPS from file "drawing.eps" and it crashed the app (on 1.1, 2.0.1, 2.6.1 and 2.9) tried: Not good, not good, not good; especially as it all looks extremely straightforward in the documentation . . . cough, cough :( Klaus, Richard, Judy ??? sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From geradamas at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 12:45:36 2009 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Creating complex graphic objects Message-ID: <725727.71309.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What a silly sausage I am :) Found (badly buried) in the documentation, that EPS are not supported on Mac and Windows. Just cranking up the Ubuntu box for a 'go': will keep all of you out there waiting with baited breath posted :) Here's a dirty thought: maybe once I have imported a 'sexy' EPS into a stack on Linux I can use it as a vector graphic in a stack on Mac ??? sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From geradamas at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 13:40:57 2009 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Creating complex graphic objects Message-ID: <426158.48235.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> No joy: "EPS objects are supported only on Unix systems that support Display PostScript" although I had a lot of 'fun' with the Terminal and apt-get :( Come on David; tell us about these: "I know of experiments importing geometry from apps like Illustrator" because knocking together the sort of thing you want in a vector graphics program such as Illustrator or Inkscape http://www.inkscape.org/ [Its FREE, plug, plug!] is rather easier than doing it by mucking around with the points of a native graphic in RunRev. -------------------------------------------------------------- Personally I would go for a graphic circle with graphic arrows overlaid on it and grouped. HOWEVER; you cannot rotate groups :( At which point I start wondering why a vector graphic is required when a jolly little PNG. GIF or JPG might do the trick. -------------------------------------------------------------- Made a vector graphic of 4 arrows (this is where one has to fiddle around with empty lines between points): overlaying a circle looks very nice: but, as it is not a REGULAR polygon it will not work with set the angle of grc "gAA" to 22.5 BLAST! -------------------------------------------------------------- sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From geradamas at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 13:49:57 2009 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Fancy Vector Graphics Message-ID: <783071.60833.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> David Bovill, among others may want to 'play' with my "Etch-A-Sketch" rip-off as it is probably the best way to draw something other than a wiggly line as a vector graphic in RR: revOnline, "TORTOISE.rev" under 'Richmond' It is far from perfect; however I am sure some "motivated types" could improve it. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From steve at theworcestersource.com Thu Apr 2 15:06:11 2009 From: steve at theworcestersource.com (SteveTheWhelk) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lock Screen Changed? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22854919.post@talk.nabble.com> I have come across an issue with unlock screen failing to unlock anything. The workaround was to pop a couple of 'wait 0 secs' into my script to allow Rev to catch up. Shot in the dark but maybe a few 'wait 0 secs' here an there will get your palette to update? Cheers, Steve Scott Rossi wrote: > > Hi List: > > Am I dreaming or did "lock screen" used to affect only the default stack > when implemented? I could have sworn you could lock the screen of one > stack > while doing something in another. > > I have a palette that is supposed to show status of updates occurring in a > topLevel stack while the screen is locked and it seems everything is > locked > because the status is not updating until the end of the handler. > > If lock screen affects everything I guess there's no workaround for > this??? > > Thanks & Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Lock-Screen-Changed--tp22798951p22854919.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From david.bovill at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 15:14:24 2009 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 20:14:24 +0100 Subject: Creating complex graphic objects In-Reply-To: <426158.48235.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <426158.48235.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Try these great experiments: Stacks and Pieces of Code for Runtime Revolution by Alejandro Tejada Capellan 2009/4/2 Richmond Mathewson > > "EPS objects are supported only on Unix systems that support Display > PostScript" > > although I had a lot of 'fun' with the Terminal and apt-get :( > > Come on David; tell us about these: From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 2 15:25:25 2009 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:25:25 -0700 Subject: Creating complex graphic objects In-Reply-To: <20090402170005.C7ADD4890B4@mail.runrev.com> References: <20090402170005.C7ADD4890B4@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <02666A84-FE9B-40E3-8E64-D47471697B09@sbcglobal.net> > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:52:04 +0100 > From: David Bovill > Subject: Creating complex graphic objects > To: How to use Revolution > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I've a couple of shapes that I need to create for an app that lend > themselves to the use of the graphic control - because I want them at > various sizes and also because they use "markers" on a graphic > shape. The > problems is the complexity of tweaking the points by hand. I know of > experiments importing geometry from apps like Illustrator - but was > wandering if anyone has any examples / a library of shapes or > techniques to > make this easier? > > For instance the shapes I need are "stars" - that I can dynamically > colour. > By roughly drawing a star and then: > > set the editmode of the selectedobject to "polygon" > > I can tweak the shape manually which helps a lot. > > But when it comes to more complex structures it would be good to > draw them > in illustrator and import the geometry. > > For instance - I also want to create circles with variable numbers > of evenly > spaced marker points(iIdeally the arcs would have arrows on them to > indicate > a clockwise flow). It would be "nice" not to have to create these > as images > at different scales and import them from an external app - but > AFAIK its not > really practical at the moment. Any suggestions? > > David, You may want to consider Turtle Graphics. (See http:// www.jamesphurley.com/runrev.html) Here, for example is the script for drawing a circle with evenly space arrows along the perimeter: on mouseUp put 90 into tNumPoints startTurtle repeat with i = 1 to tNumPoints forward 10 left 360/tNumPoints if i mod 10 is 0 then drawArrow 10,15 end if end repeat choose the browse tool end mouseUp on drawArrow tLength,tAngle right tAngle back tLength forward tLength left 2*tAngle back tLength forward tLength right tAngle end drawArrow You can create either an image or a vector graphic. Stars would be easy as well. JIm Hurley From david.bovill at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 15:47:26 2009 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 20:47:26 +0100 Subject: Creating complex graphic objects In-Reply-To: <02666A84-FE9B-40E3-8E64-D47471697B09@sbcglobal.net> References: <20090402170005.C7ADD4890B4@mail.runrev.com> <02666A84-FE9B-40E3-8E64-D47471697B09@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: Hi James thanks for the pointer - good to have in the library 2009/4/2 James Hurley > >> Message: 8 >> Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:52:04 +0100 >> From: David Bovill >> Subject: Creating complex graphic objects >> To: How to use Revolution >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >> >> I've a couple of shapes that I need to create for an app that lend >> themselves to the use of the graphic control - because I want them at >> various sizes and also because they use "markers" on a graphic shape. The >> problems is the complexity of tweaking the points by hand. I know of >> experiments importing geometry from apps like Illustrator - but was >> wandering if anyone has any examples / a library of shapes or techniques >> to >> make this easier? >> >> For instance the shapes I need are "stars" - that I can dynamically >> colour. >> By roughly drawing a star and then: >> >> set the editmode of the selectedobject to "polygon" >> >> I can tweak the shape manually which helps a lot. >> >> But when it comes to more complex structures it would be good to draw >> them >> in illustrator and import the geometry. >> >> For instance - I also want to create circles with variable numbers of >> evenly >> spaced marker points(iIdeally the arcs would have arrows on them to >> indicate >> a clockwise flow). It would be "nice" not to have to create these as >> images >> at different scales and import them from an external app - but AFAIK its >> not >> really practical at the moment. Any suggestions? >> >> >> > David, > > You may want to consider Turtle Graphics. (See http:// > www.jamesphurley.com/runrev.html) > > Here, for example is the script for drawing a circle with evenly space > arrows along the perimeter: > > on mouseUp > put 90 into tNumPoints > startTurtle > > repeat with i = 1 to tNumPoints > forward 10 > left 360/tNumPoints > if i mod 10 is 0 then > drawArrow 10,15 > end if > end repeat > > choose the browse tool > end mouseUp > > on drawArrow tLength,tAngle > right tAngle > back tLength > forward tLength > left 2*tAngle > back tLength > forward tLength > right tAngle > end drawArrow > > You can create either an image or a vector graphic. Stars would be easy as > well. > > JIm Hurley > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From geradamas at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 16:46:34 2009 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Creating complex graphic objects Message-ID: <743928.2517.qm@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> David Bovill wrote: "Try these great experiments: Stacks and Pieces of Code for Runtime Revolution by Alejandro Tejada Capellan" Downloaded that and popped it into my Plug-Ins folder. [Thinking about integrating it as a substack of revTools]. BIG THANK YOU to Alejandro Tejada ! However; having drawn a circle with warts (resembles a Pomelo) and inserted extra points to give it arrows round its perimeter, still cannot rotate the thing because it is NOT a regular polygon. And, its got warts :) Probably better, for the circle, at least, to draw that with a tidy FOR . . . LOOP and a couple of sines and cosines: smooth! Then bung in the points for the arrows. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- To be fair to Alejandro, I have just set up a vector circle with 6,248 points which: is still fairly warty; and took donkey's ages to draw! Alejandro's circles contain 257 points. As these circles contain odd blips I wonder how they are calculated. My script ran like this: on mouseUp put empty into fld "fCIRC" put 0 into AA repeat until AA> 6.2831852 put AA + 0.001 into AA put (AA * 1000) into AAAA put trunc ((100 * cos (AA)) + 150) into XX put trunc ((100 * sin (AA)) + 150) into YY put XX & "," & YY into line AAAA of fld "fCIRC" end repeat set the points of grc "gX" to fld "fCIRC" end mouseUp where the graphic "gX" (a polygon graphic) was already present on the card. If ALL one wants is a circle then a regular oval graphic object is a much smoother bet. Of course if one wants to insert extra points for arrows or what-have-you then it is a different matter. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Unfortunately when I copied James Hurley's URL into my browser I got a 'not found'. Sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Thu Apr 2 17:19:53 2009 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 08:19:53 +1100 Subject: Wrapping long pathnames in narrow fields In-Reply-To: Message-ID: How do people deal with displaying long pathnames in Rev fields that aren't wide enough to display the entire string in one line? Is there any solution other than iteratively testing the formatted width of substrings and inserting returns? Terry... From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Apr 2 17:28:18 2009 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 23:28:18 +0200 Subject: Wrapping long pathnames in narrow fields In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Terry, Usually, I only show the filename and set the tooltip to the complete path. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum Snapper Screen Recorder is now available for Windows! Download it at . On 2 apr 2009, at 23:19, Terry Judd wrote: > How do people deal with displaying long pathnames in Rev fields that > aren't > wide enough to display the entire string in one line? Is there any > solution > other than iteratively testing the formatted width of substrings and > inserting returns? > > Terry... From DunbarX at aol.com Thu Apr 2 17:28:23 2009 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:28:23 EDT Subject: Wrapping long pathnames in narrow fields Message-ID: Is setting the "dontWrap" property adequate to your needs? I used an XFCN in HC called "wordWrap", probably written in 1989, that reformatted a string with returns based on the width of the field the text was in. This can be written in Rev since it has so many goodies. But about that "dontWrap" thing... Craig Newman ************** New Low Prices on Dell Laptops ? Starting at $399 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433304x1201394525/aol?redir=http:%2 F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540718%3B35046385%3Be) From mstuart at adaptcrm.com Thu Apr 2 17:29:06 2009 From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:29:06 -0800 Subject: Wrapping long pathnames in narrow fields Message-ID: Written by Terry Judd on Thu Apr 2, 2009 - 4:19 PM CDT How do people deal with displaying long pathnames in Rev fields that aren't wide enough to display the entire string in one line? Is there any solution other than iteratively testing the formatted width of substrings and inserting returns? Terry... Hi Terry, If the stack is an interactive stack, in other words if the user can park in fields, etc., then you could: 1) set the tooltip of fld "PathName" to (the text of fld "PathName") AND/OR 2) apply Geometry to the "PathName" field, so that it extends to the right upon resizing the stack, which will display more of the text in the field. HTH you, Mark Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------- Sent from Archive List Reader v1.0 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----------- Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Thu Apr 2 17:37:37 2009 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 08:37:37 +1100 Subject: Wrapping long pathnames in narrow fields In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Setting the dontWrap to false allows a string to wrap at word breaks but given that these may or may not exist in paths it's not particularly useful here. So, yes I guess I'm looking for a 'wordWrap' type solution. I can write one - I just thought there might be an existing and elegant solution out there already. Cheers, Terry... On 3/04/09 8:28 AM, "DunbarX at aol.com" wrote: > Is setting the "dontWrap" property adequate to your needs? > > I used an XFCN in HC called "wordWrap", probably written in 1989, that > reformatted a string with returns based on the width of the field the text was > in. > This can be written in Rev since it has so many goodies. But about that > "dontWrap" thing... > > Craig Newman > > > ************** > New Low Prices on Dell Laptops ? Starting at $399 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433304x1201394525/aol?redir=http: > %2 > F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540718%3B35046385%3Be) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From DunbarX at aol.com Thu Apr 2 17:38:11 2009 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:38:11 EDT Subject: Wrapping long pathnames in narrow fields Message-ID: In a message dated 4/2/09 5:20:22 PM, tsj at unimelb.edu.au writes: So if you only want to see the text in one line temporarily, or at least see it in a single package, the suggestions from Mark and Mark about setting the tooltip are pretty good. It seemed from your original post that you could not read the whole line, that it disappeared. Hence your suggestion of inserting returns in the right places. Hence the "dontWrap" suggestion. Is any of this addressing the problem? As an aside, the interesting thing about inserting returns was that it did more than just make the line readable within the field width (dontWrap does that). It made actual lines, not virtual lines from the overLong text, and that is what I needed. Craig Newman > How do people deal with displaying long pathnames in Rev fields that aren't > wide enough to display the entire string in one line? Is there any solution > other than iteratively testing the formatted width of substrings and > inserting returns? > > Terry... > ************** New Low Prices on Dell Laptops ? Starting at $399 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433304x1201394525/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540718%3B35046385%3Be) From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Thu Apr 2 17:41:43 2009 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:41:43 -0700 Subject: Creating complex graphic objects In-Reply-To: <20090402170005.C7ADD4890B4@mail.runrev.com> References: <20090402170005.C7ADD4890B4@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > ------------------------- > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 14:52:04 +0100 > From: David Bovill > Subject: Creating complex graphic objects > To: How to use Revolution > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I've a couple of shapes that I need to create for an app that lend > themselves to the use of the graphic control - because I want them at > various sizes and also because they use "markers" on a graphic > shape. The > problems is the complexity of tweaking the points by hand. I know of > experiments importing geometry from apps like Illustrator - but was > wandering if anyone has any examples / a library of shapes or > techniques to > make this easier? > > For instance the shapes I need are "stars" - that I can dynamically > colour. > By roughly drawing a star and then: > > set the editmode of the selectedobject to "polygon" > > I can tweak the shape manually which helps a lot. > > But when it comes to more complex structures it would be good to > draw them > in illustrator and import the geometry. > > For instance - I also want to create circles with variable numbers > of evenly > spaced marker points(iIdeally the arcs would have arrows on them to > indicate > a clockwise flow). It would be "nice" not to have to create these > as images > at different scales and import them from an external app - but > AFAIK its not > really practical at the moment. Any suggestions? P.S. Turtle Graphics is simpler but here is another way: Use the following script to create a circle: on mouseUp set the style of the templateGraphic to "line" if there is no grc "circ" then create grc "circ" put 100 into tR -- the radius put 0 into tA -- the angle put 100 into tNumPoints--or whatever you need for your resolution put round(360/tNumPoints) into da put the loc of this card into tLoc put item 1 of tLoc into x0 put item 2 of tLoc into y0 repeat tNumPoints put tR * cos(tA*pi/180) into x put tR*sin(tA*pi/180) into y put round(x0+x) & comma & round(y0+y) & cr after results add da to tA end repeat set the points of grc "circ" to results end mouseUp Then take the points of the circle (in the variable results) to extract say the 10th and 14th points. Create a new graphic using these two points and set the end arrow to true. Do this periodically throughout the repeat loop--every so often pick a pair of points, create a new grc and set the end arrow to true. Voila, a circle with arrows. Jim Hurley From DunbarX at aol.com Thu Apr 2 17:47:28 2009 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:47:28 EDT Subject: An observation (was Wrapping long pathnames in narrow fields) Message-ID: Ah, I see. Pathnames are always one word. So the dontWrap in Rev does not help. Odd, though.... It does in HC. Wrapping is not word dependent. HC just uses the field width as a wrapping limit. This seems like a weakness in Rev, which will will not wrap except at word boundaries within the field width, as best it can. You can have some long words within a narrow field NOT wrap, while the rest of the text does. I assumed HC-like behavior. Dangerous... Craig Newman In a message dated 4/2/09 5:37:53 PM, tsj at unimelb.edu.au writes: > Setting the dontWrap to false allows a string to wrap at word breaks but > given that these may or may not exist in paths it's not particularly useful > here. So, yes I guess I'm looking for a 'wordWrap' type solution. I can > write one - I just thought there might be an existing and elegant solution > out there already. > ************** New Low Prices on Dell Laptops ? Starting at $399 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433304x1201394525/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubl eclick.net%2Fclk%3B213540718%3B35046385%3Be) From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Thu Apr 2 18:38:14 2009 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 09:38:14 +1100 Subject: Wrapping long pathnames in narrow fields In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I think this is one of those situations where I really need the full path showing (it's a file browser of sorts where collections of files from a range of locations are displayed). I think I'm starting to lean towards displaying the pathname below the list (which has multiple columns but is wide enough in total to accommodate most pathnames) so that it is updated when the user changes their selection either with the mouse or the arrow keys. Terry... On 3/04/09 8:28 AM, "Mark Schonewille" wrote: > Hi Terry, > > Usually, I only show the filename and set the tooltip to the complete > path. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum > > Snapper Screen Recorder is now available for Windows! Download it at > > . > > On 2 apr 2009, at 23:19, Terry Judd wrote: > >> How do people deal with displaying long pathnames in Rev fields that >> aren't >> wide enough to display the entire string in one line? Is there any >> solution >> other than iteratively testing the formatted width of substrings and >> inserting returns? >> >> Terry... > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mstuart at adaptcrm.com Thu Apr 2 19:53:08 2009 From: mstuart at adaptcrm.com (Mark Stuart) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:53:08 -0800 Subject: View RunRev scripts in standalone Message-ID: Hi all, I don't know if you all know this, but I just discovered that I can view all the scripts in a standalone RunRev Windows executable file. I used the "/Sample Projects/Open Anything.rev" stack to view a standalone that I created. I can see my scripts and rev scripts in plain text. :-( What's up with that? Not happy about that, Mark Stuart From michaell at unimelb.edu.au Thu Apr 2 20:08:22 2009 From: michaell at unimelb.edu.au (Michael Lew) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 11:08:22 +1100 Subject: Array issue Message-ID: Dear listers I have struck an unexpected issue with an array. I assumed that the two following code snipets would be equivalent, but they are not. Version 1 put random(10)-1 into tnum add 1 to iHisto[tnum] Version 2 add 1 to iHisto[(random(10)-1)] Version 1 does what I expected, and, I guess is more readable and so preferable for that reason. However, I can't see why the two versions differ in their effects. Here is the full code of my button for anyone who wishes to try it out (the different versions are indicated with comments): on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo put 10000 into oreps put 100 into ireps set the cursor to busy repeat oreps put 0 into kount repeat ireps add 1 to kount -- **next two lines -- put random(10)-1 into tnum -- add 1 to iHisto[tnum] -- **OR the next one line add 1 to iHisto[(random(10)-1)] -- end repeat --inner combine iHisto by return and comma sort lines of iHisto numeric descending by item 2 of each add 1 to ohisto[item 2 of line 1 of iHisto] put empty into iHisto end repeat --outer combine oHisto with return and tab sort lines of oHisto numeric ascending by word 1 of each put oHisto into fld "OutputFld" end mouseUp Thanks, Michael Lew From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 20:08:27 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 10:08:27 +1000 Subject: View RunRev scripts in standalone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 9:53 AM, Mark Stuart wrote: > Hi all, > > I don't know if you all know this, but I just discovered that I can view > all the scripts in a standalone RunRev Windows executable file. > > I used the "/Sample Projects/Open Anything.rev" stack to view a > standalone that I created. > > I can see my scripts and rev scripts in plain text. :-( > Yes, any text editor will show the text contents of a stack or standalone. But if you encrypt the stacks in the standalone builder, this becomes impossible. Go to the Stacks section of the Standalone settings and for all your stacks, check the "Encrypt with password" check box and enter any password. HTH, Sarah From lgwatts at adelphia.net Thu Apr 2 20:09:24 2009 From: lgwatts at adelphia.net (Larry Watts) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:09:24 -0700 Subject: View RunRev scripts in standalone References: Message-ID: <003a01c9b3f0$72a070d0$0400a8c0@gyhjx83ah6b2bq> When you build your standalone, under Stacks, choose to encrypt the stacks where you don't want the scripts to be seen. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Stuart" To: Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 4:53 PM Subject: View RunRev scripts in standalone Hi all, I don't know if you all know this, but I just discovered that I can view all the scripts in a standalone RunRev Windows executable file. I used the "/Sample Projects/Open Anything.rev" stack to view a standalone that I created. I can see my scripts and rev scripts in plain text. :-( What's up with that? Not happy about that, Mark Stuart _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Thu Apr 2 22:11:47 2009 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 13:11:47 +1100 Subject: Array issue In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Mike - this doesn't necessarily answer the question of why, but if you put empty into iHisto before the inner repeat loop instead of after it then the result of the two methods is the same. Note that without 'emptying' it first you often don't get the expected number of reps within iHisto (more sometimes, less other times). Not sure whether this is down to random or arrays. Terry... On 3/04/09 11:08 AM, "Michael Lew" wrote: > Dear listers > > I have struck an unexpected issue with an array. I assumed that the two > following code snipets would be equivalent, but they are not. > > Version 1 > put random(10)-1 into tnum > add 1 to iHisto[tnum] > Version 2 > add 1 to iHisto[(random(10)-1)] > > Version 1 does what I expected, and, I guess is more readable and so > preferable for that reason. However, I can't see why the two versions differ > in their effects. > > Here is the full code of my button for anyone who wishes to try it out (the > different versions are indicated with comments): > > on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo > put 10000 into oreps > put 100 into ireps > set the cursor to busy > repeat oreps > put 0 into kount > repeat ireps > add 1 to kount > -- **next two lines > -- put random(10)-1 into tnum > -- add 1 to iHisto[tnum] > -- **OR the next one line > add 1 to iHisto[(random(10)-1)] > -- > end repeat --inner > combine iHisto by return and comma > sort lines of iHisto numeric descending by item 2 of each > add 1 to ohisto[item 2 of line 1 of iHisto] > put empty into iHisto > end repeat --outer > combine oHisto with return and tab > sort lines of oHisto numeric ascending by word 1 of each > put oHisto into fld "OutputFld" > end mouseUp > > Thanks, > Michael Lew > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 02:52:10 2009 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:52:10 +0800 Subject: Animate contents of a stack/card to turn like a page In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Mark Stuart wrote: > > If you have Mac OS X Leopard handy, down load a trial (button top > right), and let me know what you think of page curling. > > Note: I don't have a Mac to see this work. > I feel bad now, after what I said. The page curling effect is nice, I'm sure I could happily live without it, but I've got to say it does look very good. On a slightly different note. When I first started the app it was very very slow to come up. It then said it had to download resources etc. I then pressed the right arrow at the top right, thinking it was the 'next page' arrow, not a buy now arrow. When I canceled out of the web page it took me to the app crashed. The next time I started the app it loaded very quickly and came up with a dialog about registering. I didn't get that dialog first time around. The app then ran very smoothly. It took me a little to figure out how to go forward and back (that buy arrow top right is very tempting) but once I figured it out, no problem, nice and slick. Between a 1 and Scott Rossi, I'd definitely say it's up the Rossi end of the scale ;-) From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Apr 3 07:20:40 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:20:40 +0200 Subject: help needed: Error 10038 on socket Message-ID: <684FDBED81364BCA8D1D09C4B6C928BF@Kestner.local> Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who were so patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I released my first real app with rev and without you I would have never managed it, no way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first problems and bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive tests. My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to execute: put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac machines my script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers with this error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with one privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school installation. But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the connection to my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I can code different? Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting point could be for further researches? Any help and hints highly appreciated Tiemo From luis at anachreon.co.uk Fri Apr 3 08:51:27 2009 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:51:27 +0100 Subject: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: <684FDBED81364BCA8D1D09C4B6C928BF@Kestner.local> References: <684FDBED81364BCA8D1D09C4B6C928BF@Kestner.local> Message-ID: Hiya, Shouldn't that be ftp? Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch level of Windows? Cheers, Luis. On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:20, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who > were so > patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I > released > my first real app with rev and without you I would have never > managed it, no > way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first > problems and > bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive tests. > > > > My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to > execute: > > put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result > > > > This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac > machines my > script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers > with this > error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is > mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with one > privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school > installation. > But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the > connection to > my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I > can code > different? > > > > Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting > point could > be for further researches? > > > > Any help and hints highly appreciated > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From luis at anachreon.co.uk Fri Apr 3 08:58:24 2009 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 13:58:24 +0100 Subject: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: References: <684FDBED81364BCA8D1D09C4B6C928BF@Kestner.local> Message-ID: <74F327B4-B216-4BAF-B063-B4DBB77A36CF@anachreon.co.uk> Ooops, working on two machines at the moment and neglected to add: Is this happening on different OS's? If so, it could be that the server is blocking connection attempts if it's detecting that your clients are logging in 'too frequently', some are set to timeout after 30 minutes to allow another attempt to log in. How often does the app/client log in? Cheers, Luis. On 3 Apr 2009, at 13:51, Luis wrote: > Hiya, > > Shouldn't that be ftp? > > Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch > level of Windows? > > Cheers, > > Luis. > > On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:20, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > >> Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who >> were so >> patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I >> released >> my first real app with rev and without you I would have never >> managed it, no >> way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first >> problems and >> bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive >> tests. >> >> >> >> My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to >> execute: >> >> put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result >> >> >> >> This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac >> machines my >> script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers >> with this >> error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is >> mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with >> one >> privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school >> installation. >> But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the >> connection to >> my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything >> I can code >> different? >> >> >> >> Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting >> point could >> be for further researches? >> >> >> >> Any help and hints highly appreciated >> >> Tiemo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jim at visitrieve.com Fri Apr 3 09:03:35 2009 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 03:03:35 -1000 Subject: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: <684FDBED81364BCA8D1D09C4B6C928BF@Kestner.local> References: <684FDBED81364BCA8D1D09C4B6C928BF@Kestner.local> Message-ID: <009601c9b45c$996f5110$cc4df330$@com> Hi Tiemo, > > My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to > execute: > > put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result Could it be as simple as forgetting the colon after http? ;-) Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Apr 3 09:30:59 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:30:59 +0200 Subject: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: <74F327B4-B216-4BAF-B063-B4DBB77A36CF@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: <8269C5D3681F452B8AF45C2BDD07CF5A@Kestner.local> Hi Luis, both clients have Win XP, at least one of them SP3 (what works on my machines with SP3 without problems) Why should it be ftp? Up to now http works fine. The client is supposed to log in only once at startup. So I can't see any "too frequently". A driver problem? Which drivers do you think of? Do you know, if the internet libraries of runrev regard the windows network settings, like proxy and DNS? Or do they try to make their own way? Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 14:58 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > Ooops, working on two machines at the moment and neglected to add: > > Is this happening on different OS's? If so, it could be that the > server is blocking connection attempts if it's detecting that your > clients are logging in 'too frequently', some are set to timeout > after 30 minutes to allow another attempt to log in. > > How often does the app/client log in? > > Cheers, > > Luis. > > > On 3 Apr 2009, at 13:51, Luis wrote: > > > Hiya, > > > > Shouldn't that be ftp? > > > > Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch > > level of Windows? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Luis. > > > > On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:20, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > >> Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who > >> were so > >> patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I > >> released > >> my first real app with rev and without you I would have never > >> managed it, no > >> way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first > >> problems and > >> bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive > >> tests. > >> > >> > >> > >> My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to > >> execute: > >> > >> put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result > >> > >> > >> > >> This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac > >> machines my > >> script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers > >> with this > >> error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is > >> mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with > >> one > >> privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school > >> installation. > >> But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the > >> connection to > >> my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything > >> I can code > >> different? > >> > >> > >> > >> Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting > >> point could > >> be for further researches? > >> > >> > >> > >> Any help and hints highly appreciated > >> > >> Tiemo > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Apr 3 09:33:14 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:33:14 +0200 Subject: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: <009601c9b45c$996f5110$cc4df330$@com> Message-ID: <5B9950F95F0B4395812BD9A3ECA31D54@Kestner.local> Good morning Hawaii :) Noop, that was just a typo in the mail. (Would have been too nice:)) But I have special signs in my password. Could that be a reason for some systems to refuse the pw? Anybody any idea? Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Jim Bufalini > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 15:04 > An: 'How to use Revolution' > Betreff: RE: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > Hi Tiemo, > > > > > My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to > > execute: > > > > put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result > > Could it be as simple as forgetting the colon after http? ;-) > > Aloha from Hawaii, > > Jim Bufalini > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From luis at anachreon.co.uk Fri Apr 3 09:42:48 2009 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:42:48 +0100 Subject: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: <8269C5D3681F452B8AF45C2BDD07CF5A@Kestner.local> References: <8269C5D3681F452B8AF45C2BDD07CF5A@Kestner.local> Message-ID: <00774074-E10E-4CE6-8CBC-C4C62F9FD39F@anachreon.co.uk> Hiya, I was assuming ftp because all the username:password setups I use are ftp. 'The client is supposed to log in only once at startup.' Ok, but can they manually attempt logins? They may be tripping the blocking feature, although I've only experienced that with ftp servers. I thought it might be a problem with winsock, which would need the TCP/IP service removed and reinstalled, but that would be more likely with older machines. As per the driver: The driver for the network card (or wireless card). Maybe reinstalling that? I would leave the winsock and driver issues until the end. Can you get a copy of the Event Log to see what actually is reported at the system level? Cheers, Luis. On 3 Apr 2009, at 14:30, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi Luis, > both clients have Win XP, at least one of them SP3 (what works on my > machines with SP3 without problems) > > Why should it be ftp? Up to now http works fine. > > The client is supposed to log in only once at startup. So I can't > see any > "too frequently". > > A driver problem? Which drivers do you think of? > > Do you know, if the internet libraries of runrev regard the windows > network > settings, like proxy and DNS? Or do they try to make their own way? > > Thanks > Tiemo > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis >> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 14:58 >> An: How to use Revolution >> Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket >> >> Ooops, working on two machines at the moment and neglected to add: >> >> Is this happening on different OS's? If so, it could be that the >> server is blocking connection attempts if it's detecting that your >> clients are logging in 'too frequently', some are set to timeout >> after 30 minutes to allow another attempt to log in. >> >> How often does the app/client log in? >> >> Cheers, >> >> Luis. >> >> >> On 3 Apr 2009, at 13:51, Luis wrote: >> >>> Hiya, >>> >>> Shouldn't that be ftp? >>> >>> Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch >>> level of Windows? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Luis. >>> >>> On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:20, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who >>>> were so >>>> patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I >>>> released >>>> my first real app with rev and without you I would have never >>>> managed it, no >>>> way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first >>>> problems and >>>> bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive >>>> tests. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to >>>> execute: >>>> >>>> put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac >>>> machines my >>>> script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers >>>> with this >>>> error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is >>>> mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with >>>> one >>>> privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school >>>> installation. >>>> But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the >>>> connection to >>>> my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything >>>> I can code >>>> different? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting >>>> point could >>>> be for further researches? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Any help and hints highly appreciated >>>> >>>> Tiemo >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Apr 3 09:52:30 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:52:30 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: <00774074-E10E-4CE6-8CBC-C4C62F9FD39F@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: <7747D6DA708346EDA684383309608307@Kestner.local> Good idea with the event log, I'll check it this evening with one of the customers. Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 15:43 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > Hiya, > > I was assuming ftp because all the username:password setups I use are > ftp. > > 'The client is supposed to log in only once at startup.' Ok, but can > they manually attempt logins? They may be tripping the blocking > feature, although I've only experienced that with ftp servers. > > I thought it might be a problem with winsock, which would need the > TCP/IP service removed and reinstalled, but that would be more likely > with older machines. > > As per the driver: The driver for the network card (or wireless > card). Maybe reinstalling that? > > I would leave the winsock and driver issues until the end. > > Can you get a copy of the Event Log to see what actually is reported > at the system level? > > Cheers, > > Luis. > > > On 3 Apr 2009, at 14:30, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > Hi Luis, > > both clients have Win XP, at least one of them SP3 (what works on my > > machines with SP3 without problems) > > > > Why should it be ftp? Up to now http works fine. > > > > The client is supposed to log in only once at startup. So I can't > > see any > > "too frequently". > > > > A driver problem? Which drivers do you think of? > > > > Do you know, if the internet libraries of runrev regard the windows > > network > > settings, like proxy and DNS? Or do they try to make their own way? > > > > Thanks > > Tiemo > > > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis > >> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 14:58 > >> An: How to use Revolution > >> Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > >> > >> Ooops, working on two machines at the moment and neglected to add: > >> > >> Is this happening on different OS's? If so, it could be that the > >> server is blocking connection attempts if it's detecting that your > >> clients are logging in 'too frequently', some are set to timeout > >> after 30 minutes to allow another attempt to log in. > >> > >> How often does the app/client log in? > >> > >> Cheers, > >> > >> Luis. > >> > >> > >> On 3 Apr 2009, at 13:51, Luis wrote: > >> > >>> Hiya, > >>> > >>> Shouldn't that be ftp? > >>> > >>> Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch > >>> level of Windows? > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Luis. > >>> > >>> On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:20, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who > >>>> were so > >>>> patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I > >>>> released > >>>> my first real app with rev and without you I would have never > >>>> managed it, no > >>>> way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first > >>>> problems and > >>>> bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive > >>>> tests. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to > >>>> execute: > >>>> > >>>> put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac > >>>> machines my > >>>> script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers > >>>> with this > >>>> error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is > >>>> mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with > >>>> one > >>>> privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school > >>>> installation. > >>>> But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the > >>>> connection to > >>>> my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything > >>>> I can code > >>>> different? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting > >>>> point could > >>>> be for further researches? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Any help and hints highly appreciated > >>>> > >>>> Tiemo > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> use-revolution mailing list > >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>>> subscription preferences: > >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-revolution mailing list > >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>> subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >> subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Fri Apr 3 10:34:01 2009 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:34:01 +0000 Subject: Re-3: help needed: Error 10038 on socket Message-ID: <00035A58.49D63A78@the-office.us> Hi, another thing is: 1. What happens, when the customer tries to open that url directly in the Browser? does this work? 2. Can you create a standalone, which opens a php-file in a non-protected folder and let the customer try that standalone. What happens. Regards, Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: AW: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket (03-Apr-2009 15:54) From: Tiemo Hollmann TB To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Good idea with the event log, I'll check it this evening with one of the > customers. > Tiemo > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis > > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 15:43 > > An: How to use Revolution > > Betreff: Re: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > > > Hiya, > > > > I was assuming ftp because all the username:password setups I use are > > ftp. > > > > 'The client is supposed to log in only once at startup.' Ok, but can > > they manually attempt logins? They may be tripping the blocking > > feature, although I've only experienced that with ftp servers. > > > > I thought it might be a problem with winsock, which would need the > > TCP/IP service removed and reinstalled, but that would be more likely > > with older machines. > > > > As per the driver: The driver for the network card (or wireless > > card). Maybe reinstalling that? > > > > I would leave the winsock and driver issues until the end. > > > > Can you get a copy of the Event Log to see what actually is reported > > at the system level? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Luis. > > > > > > On 3 Apr 2009, at 14:30, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > > > Hi Luis, > > > both clients have Win XP, at least one of them SP3 (what works on my > > > machines with SP3 without problems) > > > > > > Why should it be ftp? Up to now http works fine. > > > > > > The client is supposed to log in only once at startup. So I can't > > > see any > > > "too frequently". > > > > > > A driver problem? Which drivers do you think of? > > > > > > Do you know, if the internet libraries of runrev regard the windows > > > network > > > settings, like proxy and DNS? Or do they try to make their own way? > > > > > > Thanks > > > Tiemo > > > > > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis > > >> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 14:58 > > >> An: How to use Revolution > > >> Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > >> > > >> Ooops, working on two machines at the moment and neglected to add: > > >> > > >> Is this happening on different OS's? If so, it could be that the > > >> server is blocking connection attempts if it's detecting that your > > >> clients are logging in 'too frequently', some are set to timeout > > >> after 30 minutes to allow another attempt to log in. > > >> > > >> How often does the app/client log in? > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> Luis. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 3 Apr 2009, at 13:51, Luis wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hiya, > > >>> > > >>> Shouldn't that be ftp? > > >>> > > >>> Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch > > >>> level of Windows? > > >>> > > >>> Cheers, > > >>> > > >>> Luis. > > >>> > > >>> On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:20, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who > > >>>> were so > > >>>> patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I > > >>>> released > > >>>> my first real app with rev and without you I would have never > > >>>> managed it, no > > >>>> way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first > > >>>> problems and > > >>>> bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive > > >>>> tests. > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to > > >>>> execute: > > >>>> > > >>>> put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac > > >>>> machines my > > >>>> script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers > > >>>> with this > > >>>> error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is > > >>>> mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with > > >>>> one > > >>>> privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school > > >>>> installation. > > >>>> But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the > > >>>> connection to > > >>>> my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything > > >>>> I can code > > >>>> different? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting > > >>>> point could > > >>>> be for further researches? > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Any help and hints highly appreciated > > >>>> > > >>>> Tiemo > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> use-revolution mailing list > > >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > >>>> subscription preferences: > > >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> use-revolution mailing list > > >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > >>> subscription preferences: > > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> use-revolution mailing list > > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > >> subscription preferences: > > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From david at architex.tv Fri Apr 3 13:56:11 2009 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 18:56:11 +0100 Subject: Cantmodify tips Message-ID: I'd like to set up my stacks so that the Rev IDE asks me to save he stack - only when I have made a structural change. I'm looking at some mix of cantmodify, destorystack/window or closestack or....? I have a number of stacks that display info - text lists indexes, and naturally these change whenever I use them. I don't want the IDE to ask we to save the stack when I close it in these circumstances. However when I edit the controls (move them, change a property) or any of the scripts I'd like to be reminded to save the stack - is this set up even possible? I guess it boils down to a: canModifyTextorFileNames property Maybe thats a feature request :) From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Apr 3 14:01:16 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 20:01:16 +0200 Subject: AW: Re-3: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: <00035A58.49D63A78@the-office.us> Message-ID: <7915FB7C2FB24718893C30385AB42026@Kestner.local> Hi Matthias, hmmm, testing to open that url in my IE 7 IE says "URL not found, please check the spelling" testing it in my Firefox 3.0.8 it mixes the URL completely up and redirects to an unknown public.com domain. BUT on my Win XP PC (where I performed these browser testing) my app is running without any problems. At one of my customers similar phenomena appear. Yes I could create a standalone for a non-protected folder - takes a while... > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 16:34 > An: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Betreff: Re-3: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > Hi, > > another thing is: > > 1. What happens, when the customer tries to open that url directly in the > Browser? does this work? > > 2. Can you create a standalone, which opens a php-file in a non-protected > folder and let the customer try that standalone. What happens. > > Regards, > > Matthias > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: AW: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket (03-Apr-2009 15:54) > From: Tiemo Hollmann TB > To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > > Good idea with the event log, I'll check it this evening with one of the > > customers. > > Tiemo > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis > > > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 15:43 > > > An: How to use Revolution > > > Betreff: Re: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > > > > > Hiya, > > > > > > I was assuming ftp because all the username:password setups I use are > > > ftp. > > > > > > 'The client is supposed to log in only once at startup.' Ok, but can > > > they manually attempt logins? They may be tripping the blocking > > > feature, although I've only experienced that with ftp servers. > > > > > > I thought it might be a problem with winsock, which would need the > > > TCP/IP service removed and reinstalled, but that would be more likely > > > with older machines. > > > > > > As per the driver: The driver for the network card (or wireless > > > card). Maybe reinstalling that? > > > > > > I would leave the winsock and driver issues until the end. > > > > > > Can you get a copy of the Event Log to see what actually is reported > > > at the system level? > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Luis. > > > > > > > > > On 3 Apr 2009, at 14:30, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Luis, > > > > both clients have Win XP, at least one of them SP3 (what works on my > > > > machines with SP3 without problems) > > > > > > > > Why should it be ftp? Up to now http works fine. > > > > > > > > The client is supposed to log in only once at startup. So I can't > > > > see any > > > > "too frequently". > > > > > > > > A driver problem? Which drivers do you think of? > > > > > > > > Do you know, if the internet libraries of runrev regard the windows > > > > network > > > > settings, like proxy and DNS? Or do they try to make their own way? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use- > revolution- > > > >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis > > > >> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 14:58 > > > >> An: How to use Revolution > > > >> Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > > >> > > > >> Ooops, working on two machines at the moment and neglected to add: > > > >> > > > >> Is this happening on different OS's? If so, it could be that the > > > >> server is blocking connection attempts if it's detecting that your > > > >> clients are logging in 'too frequently', some are set to timeout > > > >> after 30 minutes to allow another attempt to log in. > > > >> > > > >> How often does the app/client log in? > > > >> > > > >> Cheers, > > > >> > > > >> Luis. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 3 Apr 2009, at 13:51, Luis wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Hiya, > > > >>> > > > >>> Shouldn't that be ftp? > > > >>> > > > >>> Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch > > > >>> level of Windows? > > > >>> > > > >>> Cheers, > > > >>> > > > >>> Luis. > > > >>> > > > >>> On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:20, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members > who > > > >>>> were so > > > >>>> patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st > I > > > >>>> released > > > >>>> my first real app with rev and without you I would have never > > > >>>> managed it, no > > > >>>> way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first > > > >>>> problems and > > > >>>> bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive > > > >>>> tests. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to > > > >>>> execute: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac > > > >>>> machines my > > > >>>> script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers > > > >>>> with this > > > >>>> error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php > is > > > >>>> mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus > with > > > >>>> one > > > >>>> privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school > > > >>>> installation. > > > >>>> But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the > > > >>>> connection to > > > >>>> my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything > > > >>>> I can code > > > >>>> different? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting > > > >>>> point could > > > >>>> be for further researches? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Any help and hints highly appreciated > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Tiemo > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>>> use-revolution mailing list > > > >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > >>>> subscription preferences: > > > >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> use-revolution mailing list > > > >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > >>> subscription preferences: > > > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> use-revolution mailing list > > > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > >> subscription preferences: > > > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From DunbarX at aol.com Fri Apr 3 14:09:52 2009 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:09:52 EDT Subject: Cantmodify tips Message-ID: There is the "moveControl" message. And "the properties" of an object can be checked when any number of events occur, up to you. If this changes, then you know at least one property changed, and you can act on it. The "editScript" message is sent whenever you open a script editor for an object. I suppose this can be used cleverly in some way. Craig Newman ************** Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220714320x1201367638/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.taxact.com%2F08tax.asp%3Fsc%3D084102950001%2 6p%3D82) From devin_asay at byu.edu Fri Apr 3 14:24:44 2009 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 12:24:44 -0600 Subject: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: <684FDBED81364BCA8D1D09C4B6C928BF@Kestner.local> References: <684FDBED81364BCA8D1D09C4B6C928BF@Kestner.local> Message-ID: Tiemo, Can these same users get results from the php page by going to this url into a browser? Devin On Apr 3, 2009, at 5:20 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who > were so > patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I > released > my first real app with rev and without you I would have never > managed it, no > way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first > problems and > bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive tests. > > > > My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to > execute: > > put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result > > > > This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac > machines my > script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers > with this > error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is > mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with one > privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school > installation. > But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the > connection to > my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I > can code > different? > > > > Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting > point could > be for further researches? Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Apr 3 17:09:24 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 23:09:24 +0200 Subject: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <760A7CD088794D4982F5E341B6B33D32@Kestner.local> Hi Devin, see my last answer to Matthias. No they can't. But I can't get a result either, thought the request runs fine, within my app on my - and lots of other PCs. Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Devin Asay > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 20:25 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > Tiemo, > > Can these same users get results from the php page by going to this > url into a browser? > > Devin > > On Apr 3, 2009, at 5:20 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who > > were so > > patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I > > released > > my first real app with rev and without you I would have never > > managed it, no > > way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first > > problems and > > bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive tests. > > > > > > > > My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to > > execute: > > > > put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result > > > > > > > > This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac > > machines my > > script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers > > with this > > error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is > > mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with one > > privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school > > installation. > > But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the > > connection to > > my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I > > can code > > different? > > > > > > > > Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting > > point could > > be for further researches? > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Apr 3 17:26:55 2009 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 16:26:55 -0500 Subject: Cantmodify tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D67F1F.1000704@hyperactivesw.com> David Bovill wrote: > I'd like to set up my stacks so that the Rev IDE asks me to save he stack - > only when I have made a structural change. I'm looking at some mix of > cantmodify, destorystack/window or closestack or....? > > I have a number of stacks that display info - text lists indexes, and > naturally these change whenever I use them. I don't want the IDE to ask we > to save the stack when I close it in these circumstances. However when I > edit the controls (move them, change a property) or any of the scripts I'd > like to be reminded to save the stack - is this set up even possible? I > guess it boils down to a: > > canModifyTextorFileNames property > > Maybe thats a feature request :) I have a number of stacks like that. There is a Rev global "gREVallowSaveStackRequest" which, if set to false, does not trigger any save prompts. This is global though, so it won't prompt you to save any other stack either until you (or the IDE) set it back to true. You'd have to put scripts into each stack to toggle that global at appropriate times, which can involve a lot of event trapping. Another way is to: put empty into gREVstackStatus["myStackName"]. An changed stack has "edited" as a value in that array, and empty if it is unedited. If the value is empty, Rev thinks the stack is unchanged and won't ask you to save it. This is safer than setting a global because it only applies to one stack, but Rev sets this value for almost anything you do. After accounting for all the event trapping I'd need to do, I stopped trying. Adding all that to several stacks wasn't worth the trouble. Instead, I just started opening those particular stacks in MetaCard, where the behavior you describe is the default, and it leaves me alone without my having to do anything special. It would be a good feature request. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From david.bovill at gmail.com Fri Apr 3 17:39:39 2009 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 22:39:39 +0100 Subject: Cantmodify tips In-Reply-To: <49D67F1F.1000704@hyperactivesw.com> References: <49D67F1F.1000704@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jacqueline - sound easy :) From DunbarX at aol.com Fri Apr 3 17:44:41 2009 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 17:44:41 EDT Subject: Cantmodify tips Message-ID: I suppose there are hundreds of these undocumented gizmos. Are they listed anywhere? Craig In a message dated 4/3/09 5:27:10 PM, jacque at hyperactivesw.com writes: > There is a Rev global > "gREVallowSaveStackRequest" which > ************** Hurry! April 15th is almost here. File your Federal taxes FREE with TaxACT. (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220714320x1201367638/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.taxact.com%2F08tax.asp%3Fsc%3D084102950001%26p%3D82) From david at architex.tv Fri Apr 3 17:48:20 2009 From: david at architex.tv (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 22:48:20 +0100 Subject: How to put this asynchronously? Message-ID: We have load, and other async command like libURLftpUpload - but is there any way to "put" a url to a remote (webdav) server asynchronously? From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Apr 3 18:33:10 2009 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:33:10 -0500 Subject: Cantmodify tips In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D68EA6.5070701@hyperactivesw.com> DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > I suppose there are hundreds of these undocumented gizmos. Are they listed > anywhere? There is no documentation on these, because they are part of the IDE and aren't meant to be accessible to users. Messing with them can break Rev pretty easily. But if you want to see them, turn on "Revolution UI Elements in Lists" under the View menu, then look at the globals and properties panes in the message box. To know what they all do, you'll have to read all the scripts in the IDE stacks. Many of us have done some of that, though I'm not sure anyone has read it all. There's millions of lines of code in there. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 04:26:39 2009 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:26:39 +0100 Subject: How to put this asynchronously? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe you should be able to use Mark Smith's libRevCurl to do this (http://futsoft.futilism.com/revolutionstuff.html). Bernard On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:48 PM, David Bovill wrote: > We have load, and other async command like libURLftpUpload - but is > there any way to "put" a url to a remote (webdav) server > asynchronously? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 04:40:25 2009 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:40:25 +0100 Subject: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: <760A7CD088794D4982F5E341B6B33D32@Kestner.local> References: <760A7CD088794D4982F5E341B6B33D32@Kestner.local> Message-ID: Tiemo, as this looks like a tcp/ip socket-level error I did a search on google, and it seems it is fairly widespread and occurs in diverse contexts (many different kinds of Windows apps). So, it is a problem at a deeper level than your app or the server. http://www.pscs.co.uk/helpdesk/vpop3help/vpop3/socket_error_10038.htm Several of the linked pages suggest that the solution is that the client computers with the problem re-install tcp/ip networking: http://www.pscs.co.uk/helpdesk/vpop3help/vpop3/socket_error_10038.htm http://forums.techguy.org/networking/752133-solved-webtime-clock-tcp-ip.html That last page contains some Windows command lines that you could perhaps distribute as a fix (although obviously this is a bit risky, as if things go wrong and the Windows machine gets borked, then you did it!): >> Reset TCP/IP stack to installation defaults, type: netsh int ip reset reset.log Reset WINSOCK entries to installation defaults, type: netsh winsock reset catalog Reboot the machine. << Hope that helps, Bernard On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi Devin, > see my last answer to Matthias. No they can't. But I can't get a result > either, thought the request runs fine, within my app on my - and lots of > other PCs. > Tiemo > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Devin Asay >> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 20:25 >> An: How to use Revolution >> Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket >> >> Tiemo, >> >> Can these same users get results from the php page by going to this >> url into a browser? >> >> Devin >> >> On Apr 3, 2009, at 5:20 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: >> >> > Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who >> > were so >> > patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I >> > released >> > my first real app with rev and without you I would have never >> > managed it, no >> > way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first >> > problems and >> > bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive tests. >> > >> > >> > >> > My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to >> > execute: >> > >> > put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result >> > >> > >> > >> > This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac >> > machines my >> > script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers >> > with this >> > error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is >> > mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with one >> > privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school >> > installation. >> > But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the >> > connection to >> > my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I >> > can code >> > different? >> > >> > >> > >> > Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting >> > point could >> > be for further researches? >> >> Devin Asay >> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center >> Brigham Young University >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 04:41:20 2009 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:41:20 +0100 Subject: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: References: <760A7CD088794D4982F5E341B6B33D32@Kestner.local> Message-ID: Sorry, that first URL in my post should have been to the google results: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=tcpip+%22error+10038%22&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 Bernard On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Tiemo, as this looks like a tcp/ip socket-level error I did a search > on google, and it seems it is fairly widespread and occurs in diverse > contexts (many different kinds of Windows apps). ?So, it is a problem > at a deeper level than your app or the server. > > http://www.pscs.co.uk/helpdesk/vpop3help/vpop3/socket_error_10038.htm > > Several of the linked pages suggest that the solution is that the > client computers with the problem re-install tcp/ip networking: > > http://www.pscs.co.uk/helpdesk/vpop3help/vpop3/socket_error_10038.htm > http://forums.techguy.org/networking/752133-solved-webtime-clock-tcp-ip.html > > That last page contains some Windows command lines that you could > perhaps distribute as a fix (although obviously this is a bit risky, > as if things go wrong and the Windows machine gets borked, then you > did it!): > >>> > Reset TCP/IP stack to installation defaults, type: netsh int ip reset reset.log > > Reset WINSOCK entries to installation defaults, type: netsh winsock > reset catalog > > Reboot the machine. > << > > Hope that helps, > > Bernard > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: >> Hi Devin, >> see my last answer to Matthias. No they can't. But I can't get a result >> either, thought the request runs fine, within my app on my - and lots of >> other PCs. >> Tiemo >> >>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >>> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- >>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Devin Asay >>> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 20:25 >>> An: How to use Revolution >>> Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket >>> >>> Tiemo, >>> >>> Can these same users get results from the php page by going to this >>> url into a browser? >>> >>> Devin >>> >>> On Apr 3, 2009, at 5:20 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: >>> >>> > Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who >>> > were so >>> > patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I >>> > released >>> > my first real app with rev and without you I would have never >>> > managed it, no >>> > way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first >>> > problems and >>> > bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive tests. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to >>> > execute: >>> > >>> > put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac >>> > machines my >>> > script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers >>> > with this >>> > error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is >>> > mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with one >>> > privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school >>> > installation. >>> > But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the >>> > connection to >>> > my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I >>> > can code >>> > different? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting >>> > point could >>> > be for further researches? >>> >>> Devin Asay >>> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center >>> Brigham Young University >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > From david.bovill at gmail.com Sat Apr 4 06:41:20 2009 From: david.bovill at gmail.com (David Bovill) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 11:41:20 +0100 Subject: How to put this asynchronously? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great - thanks for the tip Bernard, and thanks for the library Mark. I've used curl a lot, but was allways blocking, going to move over to using Marks library - great work Mark - may even convince me to move over from using "_" in my handler naming conventions - to the more usual (but less readable) "." :( 2009/4/4 Bernard Devlin > I believe you should be able to use Mark Smith's libRevCurl to do this > (http://futsoft.futilism.com/revolutionstuff.html). > > Bernard > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:48 PM, David Bovill wrote: > > We have load, and other async command like libURLftpUpload - but is > > there any way to "put" a url to a remote (webdav) server > > asynchronously? > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From toolbook at kestner.de Sat Apr 4 11:15:32 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:15:32 +0200 Subject: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <234D42AF13F143B796FF2406D22EEB8F@Kestner.local> Thank you Bernard, I'll follow that trace. "Fixing" the tcp/ip stacks at a customer is indeed a bit risky for me, because I wouldn't be of much help if anything goes wrong and I would be the bad guy, as you say. It will be the last strategy. Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bernard Devlin > Gesendet: Samstag, 4. April 2009 10:41 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > Sorry, that first URL in my post should have been to the google results: > > http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=tcpip+%22error+10038%2 > 2&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 > > Bernard > > On Sat, Apr 4, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > > Tiemo, as this looks like a tcp/ip socket-level error I did a search > > on google, and it seems it is fairly widespread and occurs in diverse > > contexts (many different kinds of Windows apps). ?So, it is a problem > > at a deeper level than your app or the server. > > > > http://www.pscs.co.uk/helpdesk/vpop3help/vpop3/socket_error_10038.htm > > > > Several of the linked pages suggest that the solution is that the > > client computers with the problem re-install tcp/ip networking: > > > > http://www.pscs.co.uk/helpdesk/vpop3help/vpop3/socket_error_10038.htm > > http://forums.techguy.org/networking/752133-solved-webtime-clock-tcp- > ip.html > > > > That last page contains some Windows command lines that you could > > perhaps distribute as a fix (although obviously this is a bit risky, > > as if things go wrong and the Windows machine gets borked, then you > > did it!): > > > >>> > > Reset TCP/IP stack to installation defaults, type: netsh int ip reset > reset.log > > > > Reset WINSOCK entries to installation defaults, type: netsh winsock > > reset catalog > > > > Reboot the machine. > > << > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > Bernard > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB > wrote: > >> Hi Devin, > >> see my last answer to Matthias. No they can't. But I can't get a result > >> either, thought the request runs fine, within my app on my - and lots > of > >> other PCs. > >> Tiemo > >> > >>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > >>> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > >>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Devin Asay > >>> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 20:25 > >>> An: How to use Revolution > >>> Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > >>> > >>> Tiemo, > >>> > >>> Can these same users get results from the php page by going to this > >>> url into a browser? > >>> > >>> Devin > >>> > >>> On Apr 3, 2009, at 5:20 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > >>> > >>> > Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members who > >>> > were so > >>> > patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st I > >>> > released > >>> > my first real app with rev and without you I would have never > >>> > managed it, no > >>> > way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first > >>> > problems and > >>> > bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive > tests. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to > >>> > execute: > >>> > > >>> > put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac > >>> > machines my > >>> > script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers > >>> > with this > >>> > error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php is > >>> > mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus with > one > >>> > privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school > >>> > installation. > >>> > But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the > >>> > connection to > >>> > my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything I > >>> > can code > >>> > different? > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting > >>> > point could > >>> > be for further researches? > >>> > >>> Devin Asay > >>> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > >>> Brigham Young University > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> use-revolution mailing list > >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > >>> subscription preferences: > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> use-revolution mailing list > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From geradamas at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 11:19:13 2009 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:19:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Creating complex graphic objects Message-ID: <421630.70136.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> James Hurley wrote: "Then take the points of the circle (in the variable results) to extract say the 10th and 14th points. Create a new graphic using these two points and set the end arrow to true. Do this periodically throughout the repeat loop--every so often pick a pair of points, create a new grc and set the end arrow to true. Voila, a circle with arrows." Wrong! A series of overlapping graphics which give the appearance of a circle with arrows. Still unable to 'rotate' this 'circle'. As far as I understand, what David Bovill was after was a SINGLE graphic object that consisted of a circle with arrows. This is fairly easy, but tedious, to make. It will be, inevitably 'warty' as graphics within RunRev have to have points consisting of whole numbers. trunc ! What I also understood (and here I may be guilty of over-interpretation) was that D. Bovill wanted to rotate this graphic object, which, as it would not be a regular polygon would not be possible. So, as far as I can see there are a number of things that should be popped on the wish list for RunRev 4, 5, 6 whatever: 1. Ability to import scalable vector graphics regardless of development or deployment platform": EPS, PS, SVG. 1.1. Ability to export those imported graphics in different vector graphic formats ?????? 2. Ability to rotate those imported graphics using ANGLE. 3. Ability to access their 'points' and manipulate their shapes once within RunRev. This, of course, will come up against the problem of graphic objects having to have points that are whole numbers. 4. Ability to rotate ALL graphic objects whether originating inwith or outwith RunRev. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From toolbook at kestner.de Sat Apr 4 11:35:06 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 17:35:06 +0200 Subject: socket error II Message-ID: Hello, I am not sure, but perhaps the mentioned error isn't caused by my http request, but by open datagram socket, where I am testing if I have an internet connection, some statements before the http request. What I am doing is: open datagram socket to "255.255.255.255:44444" put hostaddress("255.255.255.255:44444") into myIP1 Could this test perhaps cause this error more randomly on some machines as the straight http? And if yes, why? Thanks for any ideas Tiemo From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Sat Apr 4 11:47:45 2009 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 15:47:45 +0000 Subject: Re-5: help needed: Error 10038 on socket Message-ID: <00035A5D.49D79D40@the-office.us> Hi Tiemo, i have tried here to access a htaccess protected folder with IE7, Firefox and Rev Tried the url http://user1:1u2u3u at treiber.multitronic.net/protfolder/index.php in Firefox Worked. Tried the url in IE7. Did not work also due to default security settings. Look here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/834489/EN-US/, if you want change this security settings. For testing this under Rev i created a button script like this ON mouseUp put url "http://user1:1u2u3u at treiber.multitronic.net/protfolder/index.php" into result answer tResult END mouseUp Worked here. If you want to test, just create a standalone and use my url to see, if the customer gets a "You should see this text!!!" message. Btw.: It is not obvious for me, why you are redirected to public.com. Was the url correct? Regards, Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: AW: Re-3: help needed: Error 10038 on socket (03-Apr-2009 20:01) From: Tiemo Hollmann TB To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Hi Matthias, > hmmm, testing to open that url in my IE 7 IE says "URL not found, please > check the spelling" testing it in my Firefox 3.0.8 it mixes the URL > completely up and redirects to an unknown public.com domain. BUT on my Win > XP PC (where I performed these browser testing) my app is running without > any problems. At one of my customers similar phenomena appear. > > Yes I could create a standalone for a non-protected folder - takes a > while... > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 16:34 > > An: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Betreff: Re-3: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > > > Hi, > > > > another thing is: > > > > 1. What happens, when the customer tries to open that url directly in the > > Browser? does this work? > > > > 2. Can you create a standalone, which opens a php-file in a non-protected > > folder and let the customer try that standalone. What happens. > > > > Regards, > > > > Matthias > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: AW: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket (03-Apr-2009 15:54) > > From: Tiemo Hollmann TB > > To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > > > > Good idea with the event log, I'll check it this evening with one of the > > > customers. > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis > > > > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 15:43 > > > > An: How to use Revolution > > > > Betreff: Re: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > > > > > > > Hiya, > > > > > > > > I was assuming ftp because all the username:password setups I use are > > > > ftp. > > > > > > > > 'The client is supposed to log in only once at startup.' Ok, but can > > > > they manually attempt logins? They may be tripping the blocking > > > > feature, although I've only experienced that with ftp servers. > > > > > > > > I thought it might be a problem with winsock, which would need the > > > > TCP/IP service removed and reinstalled, but that would be more likely > > > > with older machines. > > > > > > > > As per the driver: The driver for the network card (or wireless > > > > card). Maybe reinstalling that? > > > > > > > > I would leave the winsock and driver issues until the end. > > > > > > > > Can you get a copy of the Event Log to see what actually is reported > > > > at the system level? > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Luis. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 Apr 2009, at 14:30, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Luis, > > > > > both clients have Win XP, at least one of them SP3 (what works on my > > > > > machines with SP3 without problems) > > > > > > > > > > Why should it be ftp? Up to now http works fine. > > > > > > > > > > The client is supposed to log in only once at startup. So I can't > > > > > see any > > > > > "too frequently". > > > > > > > > > > A driver problem? Which drivers do you think of? > > > > > > > > > > Do you know, if the internet libraries of runrev regard the windows > > > > > network > > > > > settings, like proxy and DNS? Or do they try to make their own way? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use- > > revolution- > > > > >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis > > > > >> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 14:58 > > > > >> An: How to use Revolution > > > > >> Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > > > >> > > > > >> Ooops, working on two machines at the moment and neglected to add: > > > > >> > > > > >> Is this happening on different OS's? If so, it could be that the > > > > >> server is blocking connection attempts if it's detecting that your > > > > >> clients are logging in 'too frequently', some are set to timeout > > > > >> after 30 minutes to allow another attempt to log in. > > > > >> > > > > >> How often does the app/client log in? > > > > >> > > > > >> Cheers, > > > > >> > > > > >> Luis. > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On 3 Apr 2009, at 13:51, Luis wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> Hiya, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Shouldn't that be ftp? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch > > > > >>> level of Windows? > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Cheers, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Luis. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:20, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members > > who > > > > >>>> were so > > > > >>>> patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st > > I > > > > >>>> released > > > > >>>> my first real app with rev and without you I would have never > > > > >>>> managed it, no > > > > >>>> way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first > > > > >>>> problems and > > > > >>>> bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive > > > > >>>> tests. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to > > > > >>>> execute: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac > > > > >>>> machines my > > > > >>>> script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers > > > > >>>> with this > > > > >>>> error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php > > is > > > > >>>> mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus > > with > > > > >>>> one > > > > >>>> privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school > > > > >>>> installation. > > > > >>>> But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the > > > > >>>> connection to > > > > >>>> my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything > > > > >>>> I can code > > > > >>>> different? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting > > > > >>>> point could > > > > >>>> be for further researches? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Any help and hints highly appreciated > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Tiemo > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > > >>>> use-revolution mailing list > > > > >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > >>>> subscription preferences: > > > > >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > >>> use-revolution mailing list > > > > >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > >>> subscription preferences: > > > > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> use-revolution mailing list > > > > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > >> subscription preferences: > > > > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Sat Apr 4 12:08:43 2009 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 16:08:43 +0000 Subject: Re-6: help needed: Error 10038 on socket Message-ID: <00035A5E.49D7A22A@the-office.us> Hi, just forget my last posting, as it seems, that you are on another trace. Btw.: Maybe the information about how to enable username/password in URLs in IE7 is of interest for you. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re-5: help needed: Error 10038 on socket (04-Apr-2009 17:47) From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Hi Tiemo, > > i have tried here to access a htaccess protected folder with IE7, Firefox > and Rev > > Tried the url http://user1:1u2u3u at treiber.multitronic.net/protfolder/index. > php in Firefox > Worked. > > Tried the url in IE7. > Did not work also due to default security settings. > Look here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/834489/EN-US/, if you want change > this security settings. > > > For testing this under Rev i created a button script like this > > ON mouseUp > put url "http://user1:1u2u3u at treiber.multitronic.net/protfolder/index.php" > into result > answer tResult > END mouseUp > > Worked here. > > If you want to test, just create a standalone and use my url to see, if the > customer gets a "You should see this text!!!" message. > > Btw.: It is not obvious for me, why you are redirected to public.com. Was > the url correct? > > > Regards, > > Matthias > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: AW: Re-3: help needed: Error 10038 on socket (03-Apr-2009 20:01) > From: Tiemo Hollmann TB > To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > > Hi Matthias, > > hmmm, testing to open that url in my IE 7 IE says "URL not found, please > > check the spelling" testing it in my Firefox 3.0.8 it mixes the URL > > completely up and redirects to an unknown public.com domain. BUT on my Win > > XP PC (where I performed these browser testing) my app is running without > > any problems. At one of my customers similar phenomena appear. > > > > Yes I could create a standalone for a non-protected folder - takes a > > while... > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 16:34 > > > An: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Betreff: Re-3: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > another thing is: > > > > > > 1. What happens, when the customer tries to open that url directly in the > > > Browser? does this work? > > > > > > 2. Can you create a standalone, which opens a php-file in a non-protected > > > folder and let the customer try that standalone. What happens. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Matthias > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > Subject: AW: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket (03-Apr-2009 15:54) > > > From: Tiemo Hollmann TB > > > To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > > > > > > Good idea with the event log, I'll check it this evening with one of the > > > > customers. > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > > > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis > > > > > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 15:43 > > > > > An: How to use Revolution > > > > > Betreff: Re: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > > > > > > > > > Hiya, > > > > > > > > > > I was assuming ftp because all the username:password setups I use are > > > > > ftp. > > > > > > > > > > 'The client is supposed to log in only once at startup.' Ok, but can > > > > > they manually attempt logins? They may be tripping the blocking > > > > > feature, although I've only experienced that with ftp servers. > > > > > > > > > > I thought it might be a problem with winsock, which would need the > > > > > TCP/IP service removed and reinstalled, but that would be more likely > > > > > with older machines. > > > > > > > > > > As per the driver: The driver for the network card (or wireless > > > > > card). Maybe reinstalling that? > > > > > > > > > > I would leave the winsock and driver issues until the end. > > > > > > > > > > Can you get a copy of the Event Log to see what actually is reported > > > > > at the system level? > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > Luis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 Apr 2009, at 14:30, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Luis, > > > > > > both clients have Win XP, at least one of them SP3 (what works on my > > > > > > machines with SP3 without problems) > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should it be ftp? Up to now http works fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > The client is supposed to log in only once at startup. So I can't > > > > > > see any > > > > > > "too frequently". > > > > > > > > > > > > A driver problem? Which drivers do you think of? > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know, if the internet libraries of runrev regard the windows > > > > > > network > > > > > > settings, like proxy and DNS? Or do they try to make their own way? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > > >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use- > > > revolution- > > > > > >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis > > > > > >> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 14:58 > > > > > >> An: How to use Revolution > > > > > >> Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Ooops, working on two machines at the moment and neglected to add: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Is this happening on different OS's? If so, it could be that the > > > > > >> server is blocking connection attempts if it's detecting that your > > > > > >> clients are logging in 'too frequently', some are set to timeout > > > > > >> after 30 minutes to allow another attempt to log in. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> How often does the app/client log in? > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Cheers, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Luis. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On 3 Apr 2009, at 13:51, Luis wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >>> Hiya, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Shouldn't that be ftp? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which version/Patch > > > > > >>> level of Windows? > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Cheers, > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> Luis. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:20, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list members > > > who > > > > > >>>> were so > > > > > >>>> patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On April 1st > > > I > > > > > >>>> released > > > > > >>>> my first real app with rev and without you I would have never > > > > > >>>> managed it, no > > > > > >>>> way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products first > > > > > >>>> problems and > > > > > >>>> bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of extensive > > > > > >>>> tests. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when trying to > > > > > >>>> execute: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and Mac > > > > > >>>> machines my > > > > > >>>> script runs without any problems, but now I get several customers > > > > > >>>> with this > > > > > >>>> error and they cant start my app (because the result of this php > > > is > > > > > >>>> mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti virus > > > with > > > > > >>>> one > > > > > >>>> privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a school > > > > > >>>> installation. > > > > > >>>> But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses the > > > > > >>>> connection to > > > > > >>>> my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there anything > > > > > >>>> I can code > > > > > >>>> different? > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a starting > > > > > >>>> point could > > > > > >>>> be for further researches? > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Any help and hints highly appreciated > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Tiemo > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>>> use-revolution mailing list > > > > > >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > >>>> subscription preferences: > > > > > >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >>> use-revolution mailing list > > > > > >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > >>> subscription preferences: > > > > > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > >> use-revolution mailing list > > > > > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > >> subscription preferences: > > > > > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From toolbook at kestner.de Sat Apr 4 12:17:12 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 18:17:12 +0200 Subject: AW: Re-6: help needed: Error 10038 on socket In-Reply-To: <00035A5E.49D7A22A@the-office.us> Message-ID: <37E15CCB939C46AE9B2E3A5AE3C366D6@Kestner.local> Thank you Matthias, I'll follow every hint, as far as I don't have an idea what's going on at all Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > Gesendet: Samstag, 4. April 2009 18:09 > An: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Betreff: Re-6: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > Hi, > > just forget my last posting, as it seems, that you are on another trace. > > Btw.: Maybe the information about how to enable username/password in URLs > in IE7 is of interest for you. > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re-5: help needed: Error 10038 on socket (04-Apr-2009 17:47) > From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Hi Tiemo, > > > > i have tried here to access a htaccess protected folder with IE7, > Firefox > > and Rev > > > > Tried the url > http://user1:1u2u3u at treiber.multitronic.net/protfolder/index. > > php in Firefox > > Worked. > > > > Tried the url in IE7. > > Did not work also due to default security settings. > > Look here http://support.microsoft.com/kb/834489/EN-US/, if you want > change > > this security settings. > > > > > > For testing this under Rev i created a button script like this > > > > ON mouseUp > > put url > "http://user1:1u2u3u at treiber.multitronic.net/protfolder/index.php" > > into result > > answer tResult > > END mouseUp > > > > Worked here. > > > > If you want to test, just create a standalone and use my url to see, if > the > > customer gets a "You should see this text!!!" message. > > > > Btw.: It is not obvious for me, why you are redirected to public.com. > Was > > the url correct? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Matthias > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > Subject: AW: Re-3: help needed: Error 10038 on socket (03-Apr-2009 > 20:01) > > From: Tiemo Hollmann TB > > To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > > > > Hi Matthias, > > > hmmm, testing to open that url in my IE 7 IE says "URL not found, > please > > > check the spelling" testing it in my Firefox 3.0.8 it mixes the URL > > > completely up and redirects to an unknown public.com domain. BUT on my > Win > > > XP PC (where I performed these browser testing) my app is running > without > > > any problems. At one of my customers similar phenomena appear. > > > > > > Yes I could create a standalone for a non-protected folder - takes a > > > while... > > > > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > > > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > > > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 16:34 > > > > An: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > Betreff: Re-3: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > another thing is: > > > > > > > > 1. What happens, when the customer tries to open that url directly > in the > > > > Browser? does this work? > > > > > > > > 2. Can you create a standalone, which opens a php-file in a non- > protected > > > > folder and let the customer try that standalone. What happens. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Matthias > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- Original Message -------- > > > > Subject: AW: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket (03-Apr-2009 > 15:54) > > > > From: Tiemo Hollmann TB > > > > To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > > > > > > > > Good idea with the event log, I'll check it this evening with one > of the > > > > > customers. > > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > > > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > > > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use- > revolution- > > > > > > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis > > > > > > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 15:43 > > > > > > An: How to use Revolution > > > > > > Betreff: Re: AW: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > > > > > > > > > > > Hiya, > > > > > > > > > > > > I was assuming ftp because all the username:password setups I > use are > > > > > > ftp. > > > > > > > > > > > > 'The client is supposed to log in only once at startup.' Ok, but > can > > > > > > they manually attempt logins? They may be tripping the blocking > > > > > > feature, although I've only experienced that with ftp servers. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought it might be a problem with winsock, which would need > the > > > > > > TCP/IP service removed and reinstalled, but that would be more > likely > > > > > > with older machines. > > > > > > > > > > > > As per the driver: The driver for the network card (or wireless > > > > > > card). Maybe reinstalling that? > > > > > > > > > > > > I would leave the winsock and driver issues until the end. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you get a copy of the Event Log to see what actually is > reported > > > > > > at the system level? > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > Luis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3 Apr 2009, at 14:30, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Luis, > > > > > > > both clients have Win XP, at least one of them SP3 (what works > on my > > > > > > > machines with SP3 without problems) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why should it be ftp? Up to now http works fine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The client is supposed to log in only once at startup. So I > can't > > > > > > > see any > > > > > > > "too frequently". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A driver problem? Which drivers do you think of? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know, if the internet libraries of runrev regard the > windows > > > > > > > network > > > > > > > settings, like proxy and DNS? Or do they try to make their own > way? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > > > > > > >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use- > > > > revolution- > > > > > > >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Luis > > > > > > >> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. April 2009 14:58 > > > > > > >> An: How to use Revolution > > > > > > >> Betreff: Re: help needed: Error 10038 on socket > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Ooops, working on two machines at the moment and neglected to > add: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Is this happening on different OS's? If so, it could be that > the > > > > > > >> server is blocking connection attempts if it's detecting that > your > > > > > > >> clients are logging in 'too frequently', some are set to > timeout > > > > > > >> after 30 minutes to allow another attempt to log in. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> How often does the app/client log in? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Cheers, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Luis. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> On 3 Apr 2009, at 13:51, Luis wrote: > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >>> Hiya, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Shouldn't that be ftp? > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Other than that it could be a driver problem. Which > version/Patch > > > > > > >>> level of Windows? > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Cheers, > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> Luis. > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> On 3 Apr 2009, at 12:20, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>>> Hello, first of all I want to thank you all great list > members > > > > who > > > > > > >>>> were so > > > > > > >>>> patient and helpful with me questions and problems. On > April 1st > > > > I > > > > > > >>>> released > > > > > > >>>> my first real app with rev and without you I would have > never > > > > > > >>>> managed it, no > > > > > > >>>> way! Now it is in the market and as with all new products > first > > > > > > >>>> problems and > > > > > > >>>> bugs appear, though I had a 3month beta test phase of > extensive > > > > > > >>>> tests. > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> My most urgent problem is "error 10038 on socket" when > trying to > > > > > > >>>> execute: > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> put url http//user:pw at myserverandpath/foo.php into result > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> This php wants to connect to a mysql db. On most Win and > Mac > > > > > > >>>> machines my > > > > > > >>>> script runs without any problems, but now I get several > customers > > > > > > >>>> with this > > > > > > >>>> error and they cant start my app (because the result of > this php > > > > is > > > > > > >>>> mandatory). I tried to switch off the firewall and anti > virus > > > > with > > > > > > >>>> one > > > > > > >>>> privat customer and to route around a proxy server at a > school > > > > > > >>>> installation. > > > > > > >>>> But in booth cases the error remaind the same. Who refuses > the > > > > > > >>>> connection to > > > > > > >>>> my php? What does this socket problem tells me? Is there > anything > > > > > > >>>> I can code > > > > > > >>>> different? > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Has anybody an idea what is happening here and where a > starting > > > > > > >>>> point could > > > > > > >>>> be for further researches? > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Any help and hints highly appreciated > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> Tiemo > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >>>> use-revolution mailing list > > > > > > >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your > > > > > > >>>> subscription preferences: > > > > > > >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >>> use-revolution mailing list > > > > > > >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your > > > > > > >>> subscription preferences: > > > > > > >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >> use-revolution mailing list > > > > > > >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your > > > > > > >> subscription preferences: > > > > > > >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your > > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > > subscription preferences: > > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > use-revolution mailing list > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > > subscription preferences: > > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From luis at anachreon.co.uk Sat Apr 4 17:11:19 2009 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 22:11:19 +0100 Subject: socket error II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hiya, Yes, probably due to their firewall. Cheers, Luis. On 4 Apr 2009, at 16:35, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hello, > > I am not sure, but perhaps the mentioned error isn't caused by my http > request, but by open datagram socket, where I am testing if I have an > internet connection, some statements before the http request. What I > am > doing is: > > open datagram socket to "255.255.255.255:44444" > > put hostaddress("255.255.255.255:44444") into myIP1 > > Could this test perhaps cause this error more randomly on some > machines as > the straight http? And if yes, why? > > Thanks for any ideas > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat Apr 4 17:18:29 2009 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 23:18:29 +0200 Subject: socket error II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Probably not. I tested it. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum Snapper Screen Recorder is now available for Windows! Download it at . On 4 apr 2009, at 23:11, Luis wrote: > Hiya, > > Yes, probably due to their firewall. > > Cheers, > > Luis. > > > On 4 Apr 2009, at 16:35, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I am not sure, but perhaps the mentioned error isn't caused by my >> http >> request, but by open datagram socket, where I am testing if I have an >> internet connection, some statements before the http request. What >> I am >> doing is: >> >> open datagram socket to "255.255.255.255:44444" >> >> put hostaddress("255.255.255.255:44444") into myIP1 >> >> Could this test perhaps cause this error more randomly on some >> machines as >> the straight http? And if yes, why? >> >> Thanks for any ideas >> >> Tiemo >> >> From luis at anachreon.co.uk Sat Apr 4 19:33:37 2009 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 00:33:37 +0100 Subject: socket error II In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49D7EE51.30308@anachreon.co.uk> Good point, he did mention he'd tried it with the firewall disabled. Cheers, Luis. Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi, > > Probably not. I tested it. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum > > Snapper Screen Recorder is now available for Windows! Download it at > . > > On 4 apr 2009, at 23:11, Luis wrote: > >> Hiya, >> >> Yes, probably due to their firewall. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Luis. >> >> >> On 4 Apr 2009, at 16:35, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am not sure, but perhaps the mentioned error isn't caused by my http >>> request, but by open datagram socket, where I am testing if I have an >>> internet connection, some statements before the http request. What I am >>> doing is: >>> >>> open datagram socket to "255.255.255.255:44444" >>> >>> put hostaddress("255.255.255.255:44444") into myIP1 >>> >>> Could this test perhaps cause this error more randomly on some >>> machines as >>> the straight http? And if yes, why? >>> >>> Thanks for any ideas >>> >>> Tiemo >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From kkaufman at snet.net Sat Apr 4 23:45:23 2009 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 23:45:23 -0400 Subject: OT: MacHeist 3 Message-ID: Seems like a excellent deal and a good cause, and the offer ends soon: http://www.macheist.com/ Disclaimer: I have no connection with the MacHeist organization other than having purchased the current bundle. Kurt From coiin at rcn.com Sun Apr 5 00:15:50 2009 From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 00:15:50 -0400 Subject: OT: MacHeist 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4984902B-7C03-4ED2-8AEE-5C0DD0D1AA5F@rcn.com> On Apr 4, 2009, at 11:45 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote: > Seems like a excellent deal and a good cause, and the offer ends soon: > http://www.macheist.com/ I bought the bundle earlier today. If another thousand people buy the bundle another package gets added to it, making the $40 bundle include about $900 of software. Of course, you would want to be sure of using at least $40 worth of value of the apps, but World of Goo alone is nearly that worthwhile! From dunbarx at aol.com Sun Apr 5 00:41:14 2009 From: dunbarx at aol.com (dunbarx) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 00:41:14 -0400 Subject: standalone woes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <29D762E5.9EA9.4AAA.8045.53CCFE9770F5@aol.com> I made a stack in MAC OSX, and then a standalone from it that works perfectly in Mac OSX, ?but only works mostly in Windows. Various sections of code simply do not seem to execute. No errors, just a failure to communicate. ?Fiddling around with the code changes the level of inoperability, but I have not found a way to make it all go away. I suspect that incompatibilities are stopping the scripts from executing somehow. Anyone else ever see this? Are there issues with Windows (laugh)? I have not a clue how to proceed. Craig Newman From pepetoo at cox.net Sun Apr 5 00:47:50 2009 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 21:47:50 -0700 Subject: standalone woes In-Reply-To: <29D762E5.9EA9.4AAA.8045.53CCFE9770F5@aol.com> References: <29D762E5.9EA9.4AAA.8045.53CCFE9770F5@aol.com> Message-ID: Hi Craig, What kinds of scripts are they? You know, like what are they intended to accomplish? I don't know if I can help, but all of mine seem to work, though I have not tested them extensively. Joe On Apr 4, 2009, at 9:41 PM, dunbarx wrote: > I made a stack in MAC OSX, and then a standalone from it that works > perfectly in Mac OSX, but only works mostly in Windows. Various > sections of code simply do not seem to execute. No errors, just a > failure to communicate. Fiddling around with the code changes the > level of inoperability, but I have not found a way to make it all go > away. I suspect that incompatibilities are stopping the scripts from > executing somehow. > > Anyone else ever see this? Are there issues with Windows (laugh)? I > have not a clue how to proceed. > > Craig Newman From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Sun Apr 5 02:35:10 2009 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 23:35:10 -0700 Subject: Creating complex graphic objects In-Reply-To: <20090404161408.B36E248A3F3@mail.runrev.com> References: <20090404161408.B36E248A3F3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <75DC4EE0-724D-4BCE-AF1A-A5AB47A084E6@sbcglobal.net> > > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 08:19:13 -0700 (PDT) > From: Richmond Mathewson > Subject: Creating complex graphic objects > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Message-ID: <421630.70136.qm at web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > James Hurley wrote: > > "Then take the points of the circle (in the variable results) to > extract say the 10th and 14th points. > Create a new graphic using these two points and set the end arrow to > true. > Do this periodically throughout the repeat loop--every so often pick > a pair of points, create a new grc and set the end arrow to true. > > Voila, a circle with arrows." > > Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > Wrong! > > A series of overlapping graphics which give the appearance of a circle > with arrows. > > Still unable to 'rotate' this 'circle'. > > ___________________________________ Richmond, Since the circle is symmetric with respect to the axis of rotation, only the arrows need to rotate. In the message box run: go url "http://www.jamesphurley.com/ CircleWithArrow.rev" Jim Hurley From janschenkel at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 04:57:48 2009 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 01:57:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: standalone woes In-Reply-To: <29D762E5.9EA9.4AAA.8045.53CCFE9770F5@aol.com> Message-ID: <929677.28854.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Is it possible you're using 'special' characters in your script that work on Mac but not Windows - classic examples are the continuation character (the flipped inverted L) or the not-equals or the less-than-or-equals or greater-than-or-equals single-character signs. Support for these characters is included for backward compatibility with HyperCard, but these won't work on Windows or Linux. So you may have to go through your scripts to replace these. The cross-platform continuation character is '\' (backslash), the not-equals sign has to be replaced with '<>', and likewise you have to replace the less-than-or-equals sign with '<=' and greater-than-or-equals with '>=' If that's not the problem, we'll need a little more information on what the application is doing, which version of Revolution was used to build it, which version of Windows you're running on, etc. Jan Schenkel ===== Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) --- On Sat, 4/4/09, dunbarx wrote: > From: dunbarx > Subject: standalone woes > To: "How to use Revolution" > Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 9:41 PM > I made a stack in MAC OSX, and then a standalone from it > that works perfectly in Mac OSX, ?but only works mostly in > Windows. Various sections of code simply do not seem to > execute. No errors, just a failure to communicate. > ?Fiddling around with the code changes the level of > inoperability, but I have not found a way to make it all go > away. I suspect that incompatibilities are stopping the > scripts from executing somehow. > > Anyone else ever see this? Are there issues with Windows > (laugh)? I have not a clue how to proceed. > > Craig Newman > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From geradamas at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 07:17:52 2009 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 04:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TOT] Hexagonal Chess Message-ID: <568769.99423.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> [Totally Of Topic] Be there or be square: http://mail.maclaunch.com/richmond/hexchess.html Love, Richmond. ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From kkaufman at snet.net Sun Apr 5 10:31:37 2009 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 10:31:37 -0400 Subject: OT: MacHeist 3 Message-ID: > I bought the bundle earlier today. If another thousand people buy the > bundle another package gets added to it, making the $40 bundle include > about $900 of software. Of course, you would want to be sure of using > at least $40 worth of value of the apps, but World of Goo alone is > nearly that worthwhile! Also, look at Wiretap Studio. An excellent, stable, consumer-level audio editor with the added capability of audio capture/ scheduled audio capture and conversion to all common formats. I had used Wiretap Pro in the past, but this application offers much more. -And I haven't really checked out any of the other apps yet! From DunbarX at aol.com Sun Apr 5 20:42:48 2009 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 20:42:48 EDT Subject: standalone woes Message-ID: Thank you, Jan. I had just such chars here and there. Have to get used to the larger world that Rev lives in. Craig Newman **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572833x1201387477/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 21:19:04 2009 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:19:04 +0800 Subject: standalone woes In-Reply-To: <929677.28854.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <29D762E5.9EA9.4AAA.8045.53CCFE9770F5@aol.com> <929677.28854.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote: > > Is it possible you're using 'special' characters in your script that work > on Mac but not Windows - classic examples are the continuation character > (the flipped inverted L) or the not-equals or the less-than-or-equals or > greater-than-or-equals single-character signs. > Support for these characters is included for backward compatibility with > HyperCard, but these won't work on Windows or Linux. So you may have to go > through your scripts to replace these. > The cross-platform continuation character is '\' (backslash), the > not-equals sign has to be replaced with '<>', and likewise you have to > replace the less-than-or-equals sign with '<=' and greater-than-or-equals > with '>=' > Interesting. In the Rev Dictionary if I type in the search box \ or <= it finds the appropriate entry but if I type in > or >= there are no hits. The entries are there, I can see them listed. I guess > as a HTML character isn't being parsed correctly? Unfortunately none of the HyperCard synonyms are mentioned nor the problems associated with using them on Win/Linux. From jerry.daniels at me.com Sun Apr 5 22:57:36 2009 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 21:57:36 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Rev Mentor Top Ten analysis of this admirable list Message-ID: <22DB684D-4948-4065-BDE5-DF495149D6E8@me.com> Friends, Romans, Countrymen...lend me your ears! The Top Ten analysis of this week's posts to this very special list has been posted to the Rev Mentor blog: http://www.revmentor.com/revolution-top-ten-video-charts-and-analyzer It includes a short, but brief video commentary, five amazing two dimensional charts showing statistics for the week's emails posted, and a downloadable email browser stack that was written and used by an American who actually voted for Barack Obama to perform this otherwise dubious analysis. NOTE: this stack is not an email client. And it's all free. Only one string attached: my warped sense of humor. Also: my over-use of the colon in my punctuation. Best, Jerry Daniels Host of Rev Mentor http://www.revmentor.com From mickclns at mac.com Sun Apr 5 23:24:59 2009 From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 23:24:59 -0400 Subject: bad interaction between "random" and "word"? In-Reply-To: <20090405170004.06DB8489004@mail.runrev.com> References: <20090405170004.06DB8489004@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <0A945977-73F6-434D-999F-3036CCBEB6B5@mac.com> Hello, everyone, I was working on a project that involved randomness, which seemed to be a little off, so I did some testing. I ran this handler from msgbox: on tst2 repeat with i = 2 to 10 put i into randarg put "0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0" into theList put 10000 * i into nRepeats repeat nRepeats times add 1 to word random(randarg) of theList end repeat put nRepeats && randarg && theList into line i of fld "tmpFld" end repeat end tst2 THE RESULTS: 20000 2 10027 10027 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 30000 3 9974 9973 9974 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 40000 4 10152 10153 10151 10150 0 0 0 0 0 0 50000 5 10144 10145 10142 10143 10142 0 0 0 0 0 60000 6 9981 9981 9979 9982 9979 9980 0 0 0 0 70000 7 10188 10193 10191 10187 10188 10192 10191 0 0 0 80000 8 10088 10089 10088 10089 10087 10086 10088 10087 0 0 90000 9 9984 9978 9976 9984 9983 9980 9980 9983 9983 0 100000 10 9998 9998 9997 9998 9999 9999 9998 9998 9998 9998 You can see the numbers of repeats are as expected, yet the sum of each line SHOULD be exactly the same as the number of repeats, but isn't (some above, some below) ... the individual numbers are all near to 10000 but even nearer to one another in a given line (but aren't all equal either). HOWEVER, when I replace the line add 1 to word random(randarg) of theList WITH put random(randarg) into tmp add 1 to word tmp of theList THE RESULTS ARE: 20000 2 9825 10175 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 30000 3 9792 9994 10214 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 40000 4 10077 9955 9808 10160 0 0 0 0 0 0 50000 5 9926 10083 10078 9888 10025 0 0 0 0 0 60000 6 9964 10100 9922 9928 10019 10067 0 0 0 0 70000 7 9920 10094 9945 9823 9968 10079 10171 0 0 0 80000 8 10143 10129 10080 9809 10024 9948 9971 9896 0 0 90000 9 9764 10054 10094 9983 10038 10017 9991 10070 9989 0 100000 10 10029 9947 9910 9776 10252 10114 9935 9938 10006 10093 This appears correct ... the sum of each line is (the ones I've checked are and estimates of the others are close) the number of repeats and the numbers seem randomly sprinkled around 10000. It seems to me that the replacement lines should do exactly the same thing as the line they replace. Is this not working correctly or am I missing some knowledge of how it should be working? From shoreagent at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 08:01:46 2009 From: shoreagent at gmail.com (william humphrey) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 08:01:46 -0400 Subject: standalone woes In-Reply-To: References: <29D762E5.9EA9.4AAA.8045.53CCFE9770F5@aol.com> <929677.28854.qm@web65408.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <459b22a90904060501o600b88as8f39117647f2695b@mail.gmail.com> You would think that RunRev would parse out those unacceptable characters when compiling for windows. But since it doesn't I'm glad I read this posting about it as I didn't know about the problem either. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 10:46:13 2009 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 15:46:13 +0100 Subject: bad interaction between "random" and "word"? In-Reply-To: <0A945977-73F6-434D-999F-3036CCBEB6B5@mac.com> References: <20090405170004.06DB8489004@mail.runrev.com> <0A945977-73F6-434D-999F-3036CCBEB6B5@mac.com> Message-ID: I believe the same issue might well have come up just a few days ago in a slightly different context: http://www.nabble.com/Array-issue-td22859541.html It does seem that in not putting the result of random() into a variable before using it, people are seeing strange results. Personally, I would adopt the more verbose approach, as it would aid debugging. Bernard On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Mick Collins wrote: > Hello, everyone, > I was working on a project that involved randomness, which seemed to be a > little off, so I did some testing. > > I ran this handler from msgbox: > on tst2 > ? repeat with i = 2 to 10 > ? ? ?put i into randarg > ? ? ?put "0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0" into theList > ? ? ?put 10000 * i into nRepeats > ? ? ?repeat nRepeats times > ? ? ? ? add 1 to word random(randarg) of theList > ? ? ?end repeat > ? ? ?put nRepeats && randarg && theList into line i of fld "tmpFld" > ? end repeat > end tst2 > > THE RESULTS: > > 20000 2 10027 10027 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 30000 3 9974 9973 9974 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 40000 4 10152 10153 10151 10150 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 50000 5 10144 10145 10142 10143 10142 0 0 0 0 0 > 60000 6 9981 9981 9979 9982 9979 9980 0 0 0 0 > 70000 7 10188 10193 10191 10187 10188 10192 10191 0 0 0 > 80000 8 10088 10089 10088 10089 10087 10086 10088 10087 0 0 > 90000 9 9984 9978 9976 9984 9983 9980 9980 9983 9983 0 > 100000 10 9998 9998 9997 9998 9999 9999 9998 9998 9998 9998 > > You can see the numbers of repeats are as expected, yet the sum of each line > SHOULD be exactly the same as the number of repeats, but isn't (some above, > some below) ... the individual numbers are all near to 10000 but even nearer > to one another in a given line (but aren't all equal either). > > HOWEVER, when I replace the line > ? ? ? ? add 1 to word random(randarg) of theList > WITH > ? ? ? ? put random(randarg) into tmp > ? ? ? ? add 1 to word tmp of theList > > THE RESULTS ARE: > > 20000 2 9825 10175 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 30000 3 9792 9994 10214 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 40000 4 10077 9955 9808 10160 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 50000 5 9926 10083 10078 9888 10025 0 0 0 0 0 > 60000 6 9964 10100 9922 9928 10019 10067 0 0 0 0 > 70000 7 9920 10094 9945 9823 9968 10079 10171 0 0 0 > 80000 8 10143 10129 10080 9809 10024 9948 9971 9896 0 0 > 90000 9 9764 10054 10094 9983 10038 10017 9991 10070 9989 0 > 100000 10 10029 9947 9910 9776 10252 10114 9935 9938 10006 10093 > > This appears correct ... the sum of each line is (the ones I've checked are > and estimates of the others are close) the number of repeats and the numbers > seem randomly sprinkled around 10000. > > It seems to me that the replacement lines should do exactly the same thing > as the line they replace. ?Is this not working correctly or am I missing > some knowledge of how it should be working? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mickclns at mac.com Mon Apr 6 13:37:10 2009 From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:37:10 -0400 Subject: bad interaction between "random" and "word"? In-Reply-To: <20090406170005.584E24890A3@mail.runrev.com> References: <20090406170005.584E24890A3@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <920CF00D-77F3-40F3-BF15-85F13264BCEC@mac.com> Thank you, Bernard. I was doing a histogram with random data just a few weeks ago myself and didn't think to do a test at the time -- it seems very similar to what Michael found in your Nabble link. And now this problem -- whatever the underlying problems, I'll bet they are the same. I hope this will be investigated, but at least we have the verbose workaround. Thanks, again, - Mick > From: Bernard Devlin > Subject: Re: bad interaction between "random" and "word"? > > I believe the same issue might well have come up just a few days ago > in a slightly different context: > > http://www.nabble.com/Array-issue-td22859541.html > > It does seem that in not putting the result of random() into a > variable before using it, people are seeing strange results. > Personally, I would adopt the more verbose approach, as it would aid > debugging. > > Bernard > From Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com Mon Apr 6 14:43:24 2009 From: Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com (Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:43:24 -0500 Subject: List Magic Message-ID: I was in the process of purchasing List Magic when I found out that the person responsible for writing it has passed away. I have a question on the product and was hoping someone that is using the product would be able to answer. I am trying to change the tool tip on my headings by going into the properties. Whenever I change them, it keeps going back to: 'A right click allows many operations' Is there anyway to change this? Hopefully there is someone here that has used List Magic? It looks very impressive! Thanks for any help you can provide! Warren From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 14:55:33 2009 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 19:55:33 +0100 Subject: List Magic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Warren, Jim is supporting ListMagic on behalf of Eric's family. I'm sure he will answer your question here shortly. ListMagic is indeed very impressive. Could it be that you are using the demo copy? I remember when I looked at it that there were a few features that were not enabled until one had a license key. Bernard On 4/6/09, Warren.Kuhl at northerntool.com wrote: > > I was in the process of purchasing List Magic when I found out that the > person responsible for writing it has passed away. > > I have a question on the product and was hoping someone that is using the > product would be able to answer. I am trying to change the tool tip on my > headings by going into the properties. Whenever I change them, it keeps > going back to: > > 'A right click allows many operations' > > Is there anyway to change this? Hopefully there is someone here that has > used List Magic? It looks very impressive! > > Thanks for any help you can provide! > Warren > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com Mon Apr 6 14:59:43 2009 From: Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com (Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 13:59:43 -0500 Subject: List Magic In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bernard, Thanks for the quick response! Yes...I am using the trial version. Just started using it today and was shocked at how easy it was to create lists. If this is a limit to the trial version, that would be good news as I am planning on purchasing the product today. I will wait for a response from Jim. Warren Kuhl Senior Programmer Northern Tool and Equipment Company 952-641-2420 warren.kuhl at northerntool.com ****************************************************************** >>>> EDI ISSUES <<<< Phone: 952-808-6626 Email : support at northerntool.com (EDI in subject line) ****************************************************************** Bernard Devlin To Sent by: How to use Revolution use-revolution-bo unces at lists.runre cc v.com Subject Re: List Magic 04/06/2009 01:56 PM Please respond to How to use Revolution Hi Warren, Jim is supporting ListMagic on behalf of Eric's family. I'm sure he will answer your question here shortly. ListMagic is indeed very impressive. Could it be that you are using the demo copy? I remember when I looked at it that there were a few features that were not enabled until one had a license key. Bernard On 4/6/09, Warren.Kuhl at northerntool.com wrote: > > I was in the process of purchasing List Magic when I found out that the > person responsible for writing it has passed away. > > I have a question on the product and was hoping someone that is using the > product would be able to answer. I am trying to change the tool tip on my > headings by going into the properties. Whenever I change them, it keeps > going back to: > > 'A right click allows many operations' > > Is there anyway to change this? Hopefully there is someone here that has > used List Magic? It looks very impressive! > > Thanks for any help you can provide! > Warren > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr Mon Apr 6 15:29:02 2009 From: francois.chaplais at mines-paristech.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Chaplais?=) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 21:29:02 +0200 Subject: OT: MacHeist 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C266841-BA7B-4B72-B9CF-6512F77AF50F@mines-paristech.fr> just to mention that all of MacHeist applications are now unlocked, with one day left. Personally, there are 3 or 4 apps I really find worthwhile Le 5 avr. 09 ? 16:31, Kurt Kaufman a ?crit : > >> I bought the bundle earlier today. If another thousand people buy the >> bundle another package gets added to it, making the $40 bundle >> include >> about $900 of software. Of course, you would want to be sure of using >> at least $40 worth of value of the apps, but World of Goo alone is >> nearly that worthwhile! > > Also, look at Wiretap Studio. An excellent, stable, consumer-level > audio editor with the added capability of audio capture/ scheduled > audio capture and conversion to all common formats. I had used > Wiretap Pro in the past, but this application offers much more. -And > I haven't really checked out any of the other apps yet! > From jerry.daniels at me.com Mon Apr 6 15:36:21 2009 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:36:21 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Rev Mentor breaking story on Rev Hosting Message-ID: <3AB31E5A-8CBF-4873-9CC0-F5EB39EDA377@me.com> Boyz-n-gurlz, Hold on to your hats! I got the SCOOP on the Rev hosting program (specs-schedule-deals). It's scheduled to go alpha very quickly. There's a HUGE opportunity for alpha testers, too. I'm tempted to say "lifetime hosting", but I'd better not. Read the details here: http://www.revmentor.com/alert-rev-hosting-going-alpha-lifetime-hostin Best, Jerry Daniels Host of Rev Mentor http://www.revmentor.com From michaell at unimelb.edu.au Mon Apr 6 18:51:13 2009 From: michaell at unimelb.edu.au (Michael Lew) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 08:51:13 +1000 Subject: bad interaction between "random" and "word"? Message-ID: Mick I too have been playing with random numbers (I do lots of statistical programming with Rev, so random(0 is one of my tools). Your problem sound a very much like it relates to a similar issue that I came across with random() and arrays a few days ago (quoted below). I'm pretty sure now that it represents a bug -- a very scary one too, because it would be completely invisible in many circumstances. Do you want to post a bug report? Mike My post: > I have struck an unexpected issue with an array. I assumed that the two > following code snipets would be equivalent, but they are not. > > Version 1 > put random(10)-1 into tnum > add 1 to iHisto[tnum] > Version 2 > add 1 to iHisto[(random(10)-1)] > > Version 1 does what I expected, and, I guess is more readable and so > preferable for that reason. However, I can't see why the two versions differ > in their effects. > > Here is the full code of my button for anyone who wishes to try it out (the > different versions are indicated with comments): > > on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo > put 10000 into oreps > put 100 into ireps > set the cursor to busy > repeat oreps > put 0 into kount > repeat ireps > add 1 to kount > -- **next two lines > -- put random(10)-1 into tnum > -- add 1 to iHisto[tnum] > -- **OR the next one line > add 1 to iHisto[(random(10)-1)] > -- > end repeat --inner > combine iHisto by return and comma > sort lines of iHisto numeric descending by item 2 of each > add 1 to ohisto[item 2 of line 1 of iHisto] > put empty into iHisto > end repeat --outer > combine oHisto with return and tab > sort lines of oHisto numeric ascending by word 1 of each > put oHisto into fld "OutputFld" > end mouseUp > > Thanks, > Michael Lew Original post: > Hello, everyone, > I was working on a project that involved randomness, which seemed to > be a little off, so I did some testing. > > I ran this handler from msgbox: > on tst2 > repeat with i = 2 to 10 > put i into randarg > put "0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0" into theList > put 10000 * i into nRepeats > repeat nRepeats times > add 1 to word random(randarg) of theList > end repeat > put nRepeats && randarg && theList into line i of fld "tmpFld" > end repeat > end tst2 > > THE RESULTS: > > 20000 2 10027 10027 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 30000 3 9974 9973 9974 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 40000 4 10152 10153 10151 10150 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 50000 5 10144 10145 10142 10143 10142 0 0 0 0 0 > 60000 6 9981 9981 9979 9982 9979 9980 0 0 0 0 > 70000 7 10188 10193 10191 10187 10188 10192 10191 0 0 0 > 80000 8 10088 10089 10088 10089 10087 10086 10088 10087 0 0 > 90000 9 9984 9978 9976 9984 9983 9980 9980 9983 9983 0 > 100000 10 9998 9998 9997 9998 9999 9999 9998 9998 9998 9998 > > You can see the numbers of repeats are as expected, yet the sum of > each line SHOULD be exactly the same as the number of repeats, but > isn't (some above, some below) ... the individual numbers are all > near to 10000 but even nearer to one another in a given line (but > aren't all equal either). > > HOWEVER, when I replace the line > add 1 to word random(randarg) of theList > WITH > put random(randarg) into tmp > add 1 to word tmp of theList > > THE RESULTS ARE: > > 20000 2 9825 10175 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 30000 3 9792 9994 10214 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 40000 4 10077 9955 9808 10160 0 0 0 0 0 0 > 50000 5 9926 10083 10078 9888 10025 0 0 0 0 0 > 60000 6 9964 10100 9922 9928 10019 10067 0 0 0 0 > 70000 7 9920 10094 9945 9823 9968 10079 10171 0 0 0 > 80000 8 10143 10129 10080 9809 10024 9948 9971 9896 0 0 > 90000 9 9764 10054 10094 9983 10038 10017 9991 10070 9989 0 > 100000 10 10029 9947 9910 9776 10252 10114 9935 9938 10006 10093 > > This appears correct ... the sum of each line is (the ones I've > checked are and estimates of the others are close) the number of > repeats and the numbers seem randomly sprinkled around 10000. > > It seems to me that the replacement lines should do exactly the same > thing as the line they replace. Is this not working correctly or am > I missing some knowledge of how it should be working? From mfstuart at cox.net Mon Apr 6 23:51:48 2009 From: mfstuart at cox.net (Mark Stuart) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 20:51:48 -0700 Subject: Animate contents of a stack/card to turn like a page Message-ID: <000001c9b734$2da2b4b0$6073b546@stuart> Written by Kay C Lan on Fri Apr 3, 2009 - 01:52 AM CDT >> >> If you have Mac OS X Leopard handy, down load a trial (button top >> right), and let me know what you think of page curling. >> >> Note: I don't have a Mac to see this work. >> >I feel bad now, after what I said. The page curling effect is nice, I'm sure >I could happily live without it, but I've got to say it does look very good. Hi Kay, thanx for downloading it and letting me know your test results, even thou it crashed. You are on Leopard, right? -- Mark From camm29 at tesco.net Tue Apr 7 05:51:56 2009 From: camm29 at tesco.net (camm29 at tesco.net) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 10:51:56 +0100 Subject: BUG 7204 - Can anybody HELP !! In-Reply-To: <49D3A31E.9070702@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <20090407105156.SRQ5X.774879.root@web10-winn.ispmail.private.ntl.com> I have updated BUG REPORT 7204 to include TRIAL VERSION. Regards Camm ---- "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > camm29 at tesco.net wrote: > > Thanks everyone involved .... > > > > This is a show stopper for me as the only reason I need to purchase > Rev 3.0.0 is for the need to access more than 9 serial com ports , a > previous bug in 2.8.1 prevented this. > > This is why i am testing using the trial version , if that cannot > build then I don't what to waste my money. > > I think we've proved that the problem only happens in the trial version, > since no one with a full licensed version can repeat the error. I think > you are safe in upgrading. > > > Bug report - are you saying I need to raise a new one or update the > old reports ? > > If i can remember how to do it...... > > Update the old one, and mention the problem only occurs in the trial > version. That is an important distinction, because the licensed version > builds your stacks without any problem. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Apr 7 07:50:29 2009 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:50:29 +0200 Subject: Free Color Converter Message-ID: Hi, Economy-x-Talk is giving away 50 free licenses for Color Converter . -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum Snapper Screen Recorder is now available for Windows! Download it at . From sadhu at castandcrew.com Tue Apr 7 09:03:39 2009 From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (sadhu at castandcrew.com) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:03:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Data grid questions Message-ID: <33088.72.130.170.164.1239109419.squirrel@webmail.castandcrew.com> Greetings! May I share something about an app being considered using the new data grid object? And humbly request advice? If anyone can point me to any mailing list threads, on line doc, or especially code fragments or sample stacks, that would be greatly appreciated. I plan to study the webinar again, it went by too fast for me the first time. For example, I saw something saying you could supply content by setting the dgtext. But there was no code example. Sorry I'm such a novice! How is that done actually? Is it: set the dgtext of xxxx "data grid 1" to "blah blah" & tab & "blah blah" What is xxx, what kind of an object is it? How do you append more text? What about getting contents from a file, would it be, set the dgtext to url:file something? or put url:file into? or? Examples really help. So anyway, this app is intended to: 1) load an Excel CSV file into a data grid 2) process it one line at a time with visual feedback 3) scroll so the line being processed doesn't disappear 4) the process is verification against a data base (i know how to do that) 5) valid cells will do one thing, invalid ones another (turn red or green, or something like that) Basically the app is finding typos and errors in manually created data (from an outside company) by verifying against our internal database. Then it will produce a report we can give them telling what has to be corrected. It is currently a time consuming process done manually so the app will save time. I could do it without a data grid. But I think a data grid visually showing the verification results real time will make it look very slick, and I'd love to give it a try. I know I'm going to need some help! Thanks in advance. Sadhu From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Tue Apr 7 12:37:22 2009 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (Andre.Bisseret) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 18:37:22 +0200 Subject: Data grid questions In-Reply-To: <33088.72.130.170.164.1239109419.squirrel@webmail.castandcrew.com> References: <33088.72.130.170.164.1239109419.squirrel@webmail.castandcrew.com> Message-ID: Bonjour, You will find the docs from Trevor DeVore at this address : http://revolution.screenstepslive.com/spaces/revolution_tools/manuals/datagrid As for your first question : if you have a list (lines of items separated by tab) in a variable (say tVar) or in a field (say fld "thisList") then you can code : set the dgText of group "data grid 1" to field "thisList" or set the dgText of group "data grid 1" to tVar HTH Best regards from Grenoble Andr? Le 7 avr. 09 ? 15:03, sadhu at castandcrew.com a ?crit : > Greetings! > > May I share something about an app being considered using the new data > grid object? And humbly request advice? If anyone can point me to any > mailing list threads, on line doc, or especially code fragments or > sample > stacks, that would be greatly appreciated. I plan to study the > webinar > again, it went by too fast for me the first time. > > For example, I saw something saying you could supply content by > setting > the dgtext. But there was no code example. Sorry I'm such a > novice! How > is that done actually? Is it: > > set the dgtext of xxxx "data grid 1" to "blah blah" & tab & "blah > blah" > > What is xxx, what kind of an object is it? How do you append more > text? > What about getting contents from a file, would it be, set the dgtext > to > url:file something? or put url:file into? or? Examples really help. > > So anyway, this app is intended to: > > 1) load an Excel CSV file into a data grid > 2) process it one line at a time with visual feedback > 3) scroll so the line being processed doesn't disappear > 4) the process is verification against a data base (i know how to do > that) > 5) valid cells will do one thing, invalid ones another (turn red or > green, > or something like that) > > Basically the app is finding typos and errors in manually created data > (from an outside company) by verifying against our internal database. > Then it will produce a report we can give them telling what has to be > corrected. It is currently a time consuming process done manually so > the > app will save time. > > I could do it without a data grid. But I think a data grid visually > showing the verification results real time will make it look very > slick, > and I'd love to give it a try. > > I know I'm going to need some help! Thanks in advance. > > Sadhu > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sadhu at castandcrew.com Tue Apr 7 12:42:43 2009 From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 09:42:43 -0700 Subject: data grid questions 2 Message-ID: <49DB8283.30001@castandcrew.com> aloha since the post i sent this morning has not come through yet to me (because i get a digest) i am not sure who responded (thank you very much), but meanwhile, in the sampler objects i found this subroutine which explains the type of object a datagrid is (a "group") and gives an illustration of how to populate it (from an array), so i think that answers a lot of my questions! the routine is command uiPopulatePeople in the data grid sampler stack. sadhu From mickclns at mac.com Tue Apr 7 13:48:59 2009 From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 13:48:59 -0400 Subject: bad interaction between "random" and "word"? In-Reply-To: <20090407170004.9D9CF489D49@mail.runrev.com> References: <20090407170004.9D9CF489D49@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <10A00082-E442-4056-ABEB-2FFA63EFFCAD@mac.com> Thanks, Michael, Bernard Devlin also replied with your post from nabble. I don't have much time and since I have a workaround, similar to yours (putting the random number into a var before putting it into an array (or, in my case, a word) ), I will decline on the bug report. - Mick > Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 08:51:13 +1000 > From: Michael Lew > Subject: Re: bad interaction between "random" and "word"? > Mick > > I too have been playing with random numbers (I do lots of statistical > programming with Rev, so random(0 is one of my tools). > > Your problem sound a very much like it relates to a similar issue > that I > came across with random() and arrays a few days ago (quoted below). > > I'm pretty sure now that it represents a bug -- a very scary one too, > because it would be completely invisible in many circumstances. Do > you want > to post a bug report? > > Mike > > My post: From wow at together.net Tue Apr 7 14:27:20 2009 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 14:27:20 -0400 Subject: Generating a phone call from Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> Any suggestions on how to generate a phone message from Rev? This would be a situation in which I want my software to notify a vendor with a specific text-to-speech generated phone message. The message would be short (basically the name of a customer, a part number and the phone number of the customer). There must be some services out there that Rev can tie into for this. Thanks. Richard Miller From sadhu at castandcrew.com Tue Apr 7 15:02:36 2009 From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhu Nadesan) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 12:02:36 -0700 Subject: data grid code Message-ID: <49DBA34C.3080308@castandcrew.com> Ok! Well you probably aren't that interested but I'm making progress. Here is the code for a button that loads the data, so the first part of the construction is accomplished. Any suggestions on improvement of course welcome. by the way, I noticed a typo in the docs, page 40, it says If you set the uText dgText of a data grid table then the data is treated as tab delimited text. the "uText" should be removed. on mouseUp --Retreive the Excel CSV (quote and comma delimited) file answer file "The spread sheet file name?" put it into theExcelFile open file theExcelFile for read read from file theExcelFile until EOF put it into gTheData close file theExcelFile -- Convert the CSV data to tab delimited put quote & comma & quote into csvPattern replace csvPattern with tab in gTheData replace quote with empty in gTheData -- Leave out the column headers since they are part of the data grid delete line 1 of gTheData set the dgText of group "Data Grid 1" to gTheData end mouseUp From viktoras at ekoinf.net Tue Apr 7 16:17:32 2009 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras d.) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 23:17:32 +0300 Subject: Generating a phone call from Rev In-Reply-To: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> References: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> Message-ID: <49DBB4DC.9070506@ekoinf.net> Hi, Richard, I would avoid this esp. if customer has to pay for a call. Many customers would disable this feature if it were present because it is quite dangerous. It would be more efficient to put a record into a centralized database where vendor can collect, see and read all the relevant "warnings of the day". Viktoras Richard Miller wrote: > Any suggestions on how to generate a phone message from Rev? This > would be a situation in which I want my software to notify a vendor > with a specific text-to-speech generated phone message. The message > would be short (basically the name of a customer, a part number and > the phone number of the customer). There must be some services out > there that Rev can tie into for this. > > Thanks. > Richard Miller > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mfstuart at cox.net Tue Apr 7 16:18:21 2009 From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 13:18:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: data grid code In-Reply-To: <49DBA34C.3080308@castandcrew.com> References: <49DBA34C.3080308@castandcrew.com> Message-ID: <22937414.post@talk.nabble.com> Hi Sadhu, I've modified your mouseUp script a little to not only save you some typing, but also to show another way to put a text file directly into a memory variable: gTheData. Also, the script checks if the user actually selected a file. The result of selecting a file returns the file path and name into "it". If the Cancel button was clicked on the File dialog, then empty is in the variable "it". Here it is: on mouseUp --Retrieve the Excel CSV (quote and comma delimited) file answer file "The spread sheet file name?" if it is not empty then --if file selected put it into theExcelFile put URL ("file:" & theExcelFile) into gTheData --this loads the file directly into gTheData -- Convert the CSV data to tab delimited put quote & comma & quote into csvPattern replace csvPattern with tab in gTheData replace quote with empty in gTheData -- Leave out the column headers since they are part of the data grid delete line 1 of gTheData set the dgText of group "Data Grid 1" to gTheData end if end mouseUp HTH U, Mark Stuart Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote: > > Ok! Well you probably aren't that interested but I'm making progress. > Here is the code for a button that loads the data, so the first part of > the construction is accomplished. Any suggestions on improvement of > course welcome. by the way, I noticed a typo in the docs, page 40, it > says > > If you set the uText dgText of a data grid table then the data is > treated as tab delimited text. > > the "uText" should be removed. > > > on mouseUp > --Retreive the Excel CSV (quote and comma delimited) file > answer file "The spread sheet file name?" > put it into theExcelFile > open file theExcelFile for read > read from file theExcelFile until EOF > put it into gTheData > close file theExcelFile > > -- Convert the CSV data to tab delimited > put quote & comma & quote into csvPattern > replace csvPattern with tab in gTheData > replace quote with empty in gTheData > > -- Leave out the column headers since they are part of the data grid > delete line 1 of gTheData > set the dgText of group "Data Grid 1" to gTheData > end mouseUp > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/data-grid-code-tp22935971p22937414.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sims at ezpzapps.com Tue Apr 7 16:49:26 2009 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 22:49:26 +0200 Subject: Generating a phone call from Rev In-Reply-To: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> References: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> Message-ID: <8CA91DFA-5011-4881-9B9A-DC6EF9C217DF@ezpzapps.com> On Apr 7, 2009, at 8:27 PM, Richard Miller wrote: > Any suggestions on how to generate a phone message from Rev? This > would be a situation in which I want my software to notify a vendor > with a specific text-to-speech generated phone message. The message > would be short (basically the name of a customer, a part number and > the phone number of the customer). There must be some services out > there that Rev can tie into for this. Might be a job for SMS (text message). But, that depends on how or if they use mobile phones. sims sims at ezpzapps.com Skype: sims.jim iChat: techietours ______________________ Opportunity by Design From wow at together.net Tue Apr 7 16:51:01 2009 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2009 16:51:01 -0400 Subject: Generating a phone call from Rev In-Reply-To: <49DBB4DC.9070506@ekoinf.net> References: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> <49DBB4DC.9070506@ekoinf.net> Message-ID: <49DBBCB5.8040007@together.net> Hi Vicktoras, This situation is actually just the opposite of what you mention. This is a case in which a record is generated on a computer at the vendors site (perhaps 20 times per day), but the vendor doesn't monitor his computer. This vendor normally takes all his orders over the phone or in person. When my software generates an order via his computer, the vendor must be made aware of it immediately. Since he doesn't normally monitor the computer, the software would generate a phone call to him as if the order came in through that regular channel. Richard viktoras d. wrote: > Hi, Richard, > > I would avoid this esp. if customer has to pay for a call. Many > customers would disable this feature if it were present because it is > quite dangerous. It would be more efficient to put a record into a > centralized database where vendor can collect, see and read all the > relevant "warnings of the day". > > Viktoras > > Richard Miller wrote: >> Any suggestions on how to generate a phone message from Rev? This >> would be a situation in which I want my software to notify a vendor >> with a specific text-to-speech generated phone message. The message >> would be short (basically the name of a customer, a part number and >> the phone number of the customer). There must be some services out >> there that Rev can tie into for this. >> >> Thanks. >> Richard Miller >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 16:52:23 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 06:52:23 +1000 Subject: Generating a phone call from Rev In-Reply-To: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> References: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:27 AM, Richard Miller wrote: > Any suggestions on how to generate a phone message from Rev? This would be a > situation in which I want my software to notify a vendor with a specific > text-to-speech generated phone message. The message would be short > (basically the name of a customer, a part number and the phone number of the > customer). There must be some services out there that Rev can tie into for > this. I use the Ovolab Phlink for sending automated alarm messages from my process control apps. It uses AppleScript and is quite flexible although there are some problems. Since it only calls me or my fellow workers, this isn't too bad. My technique for alarms is to use sound first. During working hours, this will be enough to attract attention. If this doesn't work, then I send both emails and SMS messages and wait for a response. If neither of these work, then I start calling people. Cheers, Sarah From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 22:37:59 2009 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:37:59 +0800 Subject: Animate contents of a stack/card to turn like a page In-Reply-To: <000001c9b734$2da2b4b0$6073b546@stuart> References: <000001c9b734$2da2b4b0$6073b546@stuart> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 11:51 AM, Mark Stuart wrote: > > You are on Leopard, right? > > Yes, 10.5.6. I notice also that Times was part of the MacHeist3 package. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 23:27:28 2009 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:27:28 +0800 Subject: Generating a phone call from Rev In-Reply-To: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> References: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 2:27 AM, Richard Miller wrote: > Any suggestions on how to generate a phone message from Rev? You didn't mention which platform, but if they are on Mac you can use Skype and AppleScript. Obviously as they will be calling a land line they'd need credit in a Skype account - but IMO any company these days that doesn't have a Skype Acct must be the local blacksmith ;-) Here's a hint: https://developer.skype.com/Docs/ApiDoc/AppleScript Skype could cover Sarah's suggested SMS and Call options, whilst Rev would do the Sound and Emails. HTH From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Apr 7 23:47:31 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:47:31 +1000 Subject: Generating a phone call from Rev In-Reply-To: References: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> Message-ID: > You didn't mention which platform, but if they are on Mac you can use Skype > and AppleScript. Obviously as they will be calling a land line they'd need > credit in a Skype account - but IMO any company these days that doesn't have > a Skype Acct must be the local blacksmith ;-) > > Here's a hint: > > https://developer.skype.com/Docs/ApiDoc/AppleScript > > Skype could cover Sarah's suggested SMS and Call options, whilst Rev would > do the Sound and Emails. I have only had a quick look at Skype, but can you program it to speak or read a file down the phone? That's what I use Ovolab Phlink for, but if Skype could do it instead, I would be interested to test it out, although I guess I would still need to get a modem for my computer. Sarah From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Tue Apr 7 23:57:25 2009 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 04:57:25 +0100 Subject: how to make things happen at specific times Message-ID: <200904080457.26026.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> What;s the approved method of doing something at a particular time? Like, it would be nice to be able to send a daily email at for instance 4pm? Is it necessary to check the time every so often and see what time it is, with a frequency proportional to the desired precision? Peter From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 00:04:50 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:04:50 +1000 Subject: how to make things happen at specific times In-Reply-To: <200904080457.26026.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200904080457.26026.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > What;s the approved method of doing something at a particular time? ?Like, > it would be nice to be able to send a daily email at for instance 4pm? ?Is > it necessary to check the time every so often and see what time it is, > with a frequency proportional to the desired precision? Calculate the number of seconds until your required time, then use "send in time" to have your handler called at that time. Just make sure that you don't re-schedule the next day's event until at least 1 second has passed, or it might do it again immediately. Cheers, Sarah From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk Wed Apr 8 02:55:48 2009 From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 07:55:48 +0100 Subject: Generating a phone call from Rev In-Reply-To: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> References: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> Message-ID: <49DC4A74.6070901@harbourhosting.co.uk> Richard Miller wrote: > Any suggestions on how to generate a phone message from Rev? This would > be a situation in which I want my software to notify a vendor with a > specific text-to-speech generated phone message. The message would be > short (basically the name of a customer, a part number and the phone > number of the customer). There must be some services out there that Rev > can tie into for this. > > Thanks. > Richard Miller Richard, This might be of interest : Martin Baxter -- I am Not a Number, I am a free NaN From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 8 04:00:16 2009 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 01:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: how to make things happen at specific times In-Reply-To: References: <200904080457.26026.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <22945285.post@talk.nabble.com> Sarah, thanks! The thing that still puzzles me is this. They come in and start up the stack. They may do this every day, or they may leave it running for a few days. Every day at 4pm it should send an email. So yes, you could check the time when the stack is started, subtract the time from 4pm, and then wait that number of seconds. But what happens the next day at 4pm? AHA,HE SEES IT! You need a loop. First on startup find the time to 4pm. Then what happens at 4pm is to send the email, wait a couple of hours, and invoke the 4pm script again.... Yes, it should do it. Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/how-to-make-things-happen-at-specific-times-tp22942579p22945285.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Apr 8 04:50:35 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:50:35 +0200 Subject: OT: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? Message-ID: Hello, I am missing some basics of Mac handling. When copying my app folder (including several apps) out of a DMG from CD into the program folder on HD as an Admin, only the Admin can "see" and start my app. Every other user doesn't see my app folder. What do I have to do, that my app is accessibly for every user? Can the Admin set any permissions on my folder, so that it is accessible for everyone? If yes, where and which rights? Thanks for OT coaching Tiemo From luis at anachreon.co.uk Wed Apr 8 04:57:00 2009 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:57:00 +0100 Subject: Generating a phone call from Rev In-Reply-To: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> References: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> Message-ID: <9822BE3E-9D68-40DE-AD6F-82393ED8B38E@anachreon.co.uk> Hiya, If you're ok with calling Java, these were found on SourceForge: http://freetts.sourceforge.net/docs/index.php http://sourceforge.net/projects/boss-synth/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/jtts/ If you want speech recognition: http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/ sphinx4/ Cheers, Luis. On 7 Apr 2009, at 19:27, Richard Miller wrote: > Any suggestions on how to generate a phone message from Rev? This > would be a situation in which I want my software to notify a vendor > with a specific text-to-speech generated phone message. The message > would be short (basically the name of a customer, a part number and > the phone number of the customer). There must be some services out > there that Rev can tie into for this. > > Thanks. > Richard Miller > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Apr 8 05:42:19 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 11:42:19 +0200 Subject: How do Rev internet libraries work? Message-ID: <959AEF483ADA4F10BDB50B0508F943D3@Kestner.local> Hello, I am still struggeling with socket time out problems with pure http: requests at some customers with Win XP. One of them is a school, where you always have very restricted access to the internet. But the network admin told me that he has switched off the firewall, all filters and routers and routed his test PC around the proxy directly to the access point. Other apps have access to the internet - But who really knows? Does anybody knows, if the rev internet librarys take account of the windows IP and network configuration, like proxy, DNS, etc. or do they make their own way through the network? Thanks Tiemo From jim at visitrieve.com Wed Apr 8 06:51:35 2009 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 00:51:35 -1000 Subject: List Magic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <019201c9b837$fd02eff0$f708cfd0$@com> Hi Warren, > I was in the process of purchasing List Magic when I found out that the > person responsible for writing it has passed away. > > I have a question on the product and was hoping someone that is using > the > product would be able to answer. I am trying to change the tool tip on > my > headings by going into the properties. Whenever I change them, it keeps > going back to: > > 'A right click allows many operations' > > Is there anyway to change this? Hopefully there is someone here that > has > used List Magic? It looks very impressive! > > Thanks for any help you can provide! > Warren My apologies for being away and not noticing this post sooner. Yes. To change this tooltip, go to the card where you have installed a ListMagic widget. You will find a group with the name you called the list. This is the header group. Go to custom properties for this group and select cSSSTooltips. Then if you want to change the English tooltip, select the *en* custom property and change it to whatever you would prefer. You will also find the cSSSMenus here for the header. To make similar changes for the list itself, change the custom properties of the same names for the field that has the name you gave the ListMagic widget. Aloha from Hawaii Jim Bufalini From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Apr 8 06:52:41 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 12:52:41 +0200 Subject: -39 is this Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? Message-ID: Hello, when playing a mov video with my rev app on a mac, a customer gets periodically the error "-39" without any text. Is this standard on Mac? I have never seen these cryptic errors. Is there any reference for these kind of error messages? Thanks for any hint Tiemo From jim at visitrieve.com Wed Apr 8 06:56:33 2009 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 00:56:33 -1000 Subject: List Magic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <019301c9b838$ae834e50$0b89eaf0$@com> Hi Bernard, Actually all features of ListMagic are enabled in the trial version. The only difference is that the trial version puts a line every ten lines of the listing saying that it is a trial. So you can actually build everything with the trial version and when you are satisfied that ListMagic fits your needs, you can register and the trial lines disappear from any listings that you created with the trail version. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Bernard Devlin > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:56 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: List Magic > > Hi Warren, > > Jim is supporting ListMagic on behalf of Eric's family. I'm sure he > will answer your question here shortly. > > ListMagic is indeed very impressive. Could it be that you are using > the demo copy? I remember when I looked at it that there were a few > features that were not enabled until one had a license key. > > Bernard > > On 4/6/09, Warren.Kuhl at northerntool.com > wrote: > > > > I was in the process of purchasing List Magic when I found out that > the > > person responsible for writing it has passed away. > > > > I have a question on the product and was hoping someone that is using > the > > product would be able to answer. I am trying to change the tool tip > on my > > headings by going into the properties. Whenever I change them, it > keeps > > going back to: > > > > 'A right click allows many operations' > > > > Is there anyway to change this? Hopefully there is someone here that > has > > used List Magic? It looks very impressive! > > > > Thanks for any help you can provide! > > Warren > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jim at visitrieve.com Wed Apr 8 06:58:16 2009 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 00:58:16 -1000 Subject: List Magic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <019401c9b838$ec290380$c47b0a80$@com> Hi Bernard, Sorry for the wait. ;-) Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com > Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:00 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: List Magic > > Bernard, > > Thanks for the quick response! > > Yes...I am using the trial version. Just started using it today and > was > shocked at how easy it was to create lists. If this is a limit to the > trial version, that would be good news as I am planning on purchasing > the > product today. I will wait for a response from Jim. > > Warren Kuhl > Senior Programmer > Northern Tool and Equipment Company > 952-641-2420 > warren.kuhl at northerntool.com > > ****************************************************************** > >>>> EDI ISSUES <<<< > > Phone: 952-808-6626 > Email : support at northerntool.com (EDI in subject line) > ****************************************************************** > > > > Bernard Devlin > om> > To > Sent by: How to use Revolution > use-revolution-bo revolution at lists.runrev.com> > unces at lists.runre > cc > v.com > > Subject > Re: List Magic > 04/06/2009 01:56 > PM > > > Please respond to > How to use > Revolution > ists.runrev.com> > > > > > > > Hi Warren, > > Jim is supporting ListMagic on behalf of Eric's family. I'm sure he > will answer your question here shortly. > > ListMagic is indeed very impressive. Could it be that you are using > the demo copy? I remember when I looked at it that there were a few > features that were not enabled until one had a license key. > > Bernard > > On 4/6/09, Warren.Kuhl at northerntool.com > wrote: > > > > I was in the process of purchasing List Magic when I found out that > the > > person responsible for writing it has passed away. > > > > I have a question on the product and was hoping someone that is using > the > > product would be able to answer. I am trying to change the tool tip > on my > > headings by going into the properties. Whenever I change them, it > keeps > > going back to: > > > > 'A right click allows many operations' > > > > Is there anyway to change this? Hopefully there is someone here that > has > > used List Magic? It looks very impressive! > > > > Thanks for any help you can provide! > > Warren > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From wow at together.net Wed Apr 8 07:03:55 2009 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 07:03:55 -0400 Subject: Generating a phone call from Rev In-Reply-To: <9822BE3E-9D68-40DE-AD6F-82393ED8B38E@anachreon.co.uk> References: <49DB9B08.20501@together.net> <9822BE3E-9D68-40DE-AD6F-82393ED8B38E@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: <49DC849B.2050009@together.net> Kay, Sarah, Martin, Luis: Thanks for the suggestions. I'll review each one and post the results at some point. Best, Richard Luis wrote: > Hiya, > > If you're ok with calling Java, these were found on SourceForge: > > http://freetts.sourceforge.net/docs/index.php > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/boss-synth/ > > http://sourceforge.net/projects/jtts/ > > If you want speech recognition: http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/sphinx4/ > > Cheers, > > Luis. > > > On 7 Apr 2009, at 19:27, Richard Miller wrote: > >> Any suggestions on how to generate a phone message from Rev? This >> would be a situation in which I want my software to notify a vendor >> with a specific text-to-speech generated phone message. The message >> would be short (basically the name of a customer, a part number and >> the phone number of the customer). There must be some services out >> there that Rev can tie into for this. >> >> Thanks. >> Richard Miller >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 07:21:53 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:21:53 +1000 Subject: -39 is this Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hello, > > when playing a mov video with my rev app on a mac, a customer gets > periodically the error "-39" without any text. > > Is this standard on Mac? I have never seen these cryptic errors. Is there > any reference for these kind of error messages? Here is a page detailed the Apple error codes less than 0: I would guess there is something wrong with the movie file or the user's hard disk. Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 07:24:02 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:24:02 +1000 Subject: OT: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I am missing some basics of Mac handling. When copying my app folder > (including several apps) out of a DMG from CD into the program folder on HD > as an Admin, only the Admin can "see" and start my app. Every other user > doesn't see my app folder. > > What do I have to do, that my app is accessibly for every user? Can the > Admin set any permissions on my folder, so that it is accessible for > everyone? If yes, where and which rights? On a Mac, there is a general Applications folder at the root level of the hard drive. Each user can also have their own Applications folder. A user's Applications folder is not accessible to other users, so it sounds as if the installation has been done into the user's folder, not the general Apps folder. Cheers, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 07:27:32 2009 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 21:27:32 +1000 Subject: how to make things happen at specific times In-Reply-To: <22945285.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <200904080457.26026.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <22945285.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 6:00 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > Sarah, thanks! ?The thing that still puzzles me is this. ?They come in and > start up the stack. ?They may do this every day, or they may leave it > running for a few days. ?Every day at 4pm it should send an email. > > So yes, you could check the time when the stack is started, subtract the > time from 4pm, and then wait that number of seconds. ?But what happens the > next day at 4pm? > > AHA,HE SEES IT! > > You need a loop. ?First on startup find the time to 4pm. ?Then what happens > at 4pm is to send the email, wait a couple of hours, and invoke the 4pm > script again.... ?Yes, it should do it. ?Thanks. > That's it :-) For apps where I have a lot of these messages in the pendingMessages queue, I make a checkMessages handler that gets called more frequently. It checks all the required pending messages and if one is missing from the list, it sets it up again at the appropriate time. Cheers, Sarah From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Apr 8 07:53:40 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:53:40 +0200 Subject: AW: OT: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4D4CFAE6CED94B88848913DDC2040FBB@Kestner.local> Thank you Sarah, good to know Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Sarah Reichelt > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2009 13:24 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: OT: How to make an app accessible for all users on Mac? > > > I am missing some basics of Mac handling. When copying my app folder > > (including several apps) out of a DMG from CD into the program folder on > HD > > as an Admin, only the Admin can "see" and start my app. Every other user > > doesn't see my app folder. > > > > What do I have to do, that my app is accessibly for every user? Can the > > Admin set any permissions on my folder, so that it is accessible for > > everyone? If yes, where and which rights? > > On a Mac, there is a general Applications folder at the root level of > the hard drive. > Each user can also have their own Applications folder. > A user's Applications folder is not accessible to other users, so it > sounds as if the installation has been done into the user's folder, > not the general Apps folder. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Apr 8 07:57:29 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:57:29 +0200 Subject: AW: -39 is this Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank you Sarah for the apple resource! The videos also periodical just get stuck without error message. Perhaps it is just an old machine or the hd response or processor is to slow. I have let him first update QT to the newest version, perhaps it helps. Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Sarah Reichelt > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2009 13:22 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: -39 is this Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > when playing a mov video with my rev app on a mac, a customer gets > > periodically the error "-39" without any text. > > > > Is this standard on Mac? I have never seen these cryptic errors. Is > there > > any reference for these kind of error messages? > > > Here is a page detailed the Apple error codes less than 0: > > I would guess there is something wrong with the movie file or the > user's hard disk. > > Cheers, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com Wed Apr 8 09:04:47 2009 From: Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com (Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:04:47 -0500 Subject: List Magic In-Reply-To: <019201c9b837$fd02eff0$f708cfd0$@com> Message-ID: Jim, Thanks for your help! I purchased List Magic a couple of days ago and couldn't be happier with the product. The only thing that would improve it (if you are making any changes on future versions) is a right justify for a column. I know this was a limitation with Revolution. Not sure if it still is with V3.5...but this would be a great feature. Thanks again! Warren "Jim Bufalini" To Sent by: "'How to use Revolution'" use-revolution-bo unces at lists.runre cc v.com Subject RE: List Magic 04/08/2009 05:52 AM Please respond to How to use Revolution Hi Warren, > I was in the process of purchasing List Magic when I found out that the > person responsible for writing it has passed away. > > I have a question on the product and was hoping someone that is using > the > product would be able to answer. I am trying to change the tool tip on > my > headings by going into the properties. Whenever I change them, it keeps > going back to: > > 'A right click allows many operations' > > Is there anyway to change this? Hopefully there is someone here that > has > used List Magic? It looks very impressive! > > Thanks for any help you can provide! > Warren My apologies for being away and not noticing this post sooner. Yes. To change this tooltip, go to the card where you have installed a ListMagic widget. You will find a group with the name you called the list. This is the header group. Go to custom properties for this group and select cSSSTooltips. Then if you want to change the English tooltip, select the *en* custom property and change it to whatever you would prefer. You will also find the cSSSMenus here for the header. To make similar changes for the list itself, change the custom properties of the same names for the field that has the name you gave the ListMagic widget. Aloha from Hawaii Jim Bufalini _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From DunbarX at aol.com Wed Apr 8 09:40:24 2009 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:40:24 EDT Subject: how to make things happen at specific times Message-ID: I need to understand how pending messages are stored. But going back to the stone age, I have several "alarms" running at all, er, times, and I have always used an "idle" handler to invoke them: on idle if the long time = "4:00:00 pm" then wait 100 -- as Sarah says, make sure this only happens once send yourMessage to whereEver end idle You could embellish this endlessly; case structures come to mind. I have several library stacks always running with such handlers in them, so it doesn't matter what working stacks might be open; the message is sent. Craig Newman ************** New Deals on Dell Netbooks ? Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219939010x1201342897/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771626%3B35379597%3Bw) From DunbarX at aol.com Wed Apr 8 09:41:53 2009 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:41:53 EDT Subject: -39 is this Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? Message-ID: Absolutely not. The only error possible would be 42. Craig Newman ************** New Deals on Dell Netbooks ? 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Now starting at $299 > (A > HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219939010x1201342897/aol?red > ir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771626%3B35379597%3Bw) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 10:23:42 2009 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:23:42 +0100 Subject: How do Rev internet libraries work? In-Reply-To: <959AEF483ADA4F10BDB50B0508F943D3@Kestner.local> References: <959AEF483ADA4F10BDB50B0508F943D3@Kestner.local> Message-ID: Hi Tiemo, I don't remember if Rev's internet library is just implemented in transcript or not. However, if you are using a hostname instead of an IP address when you are connecting to your server, then it will be using the DNS configured in Windows. When it comes to proxies, you can explicitly set the proxy address using: set the HTTPProxy to host:portNumber Obviously, if you're not doing that then I don't think you are going to be using a proxy server if there is one and if it is configured in Windows networking. Bernard On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hello, > > I am still struggeling with socket time out problems with pure http: > requests at some customers with Win XP. > > One of them is a school, where you always have very restricted access to the > internet. But the network admin told me that he has switched off the > firewall, all filters and routers and routed his test PC around the proxy > directly to the access point. Other apps have access to the internet - But > who really knows? > > Does anybody knows, if the rev internet librarys take account of the windows > IP and network configuration, like proxy, DNS, etc. or do they make their > own way through the network? > > Thanks > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com Wed Apr 8 11:33:10 2009 From: Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com (Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 10:33:10 -0500 Subject: Multi Thread FTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is it possible to create a program to do multi-thread FTP upload? From what I understand about Revolution Studio, everything is single thread. Warren From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Apr 8 11:41:43 2009 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 17:41:43 +0200 Subject: AW: How do Rev internet libraries work? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Bernard, I don't understand the use of HTTPProxy. How can I set a proxy in my off the shelf app, if every intranet network has is own proxys inhouse? Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bernard Devlin > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2009 16:24 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: How do Rev internet libraries work? > > Hi Tiemo, > > I don't remember if Rev's internet library is just implemented in > transcript or not. However, if you are using a hostname instead of an > IP address when you are connecting to your server, then it will be > using the DNS configured in Windows. > > When it comes to proxies, you can explicitly set the proxy address using: > > set the HTTPProxy to host:portNumber > > Obviously, if you're not doing that then I don't think you are going > to be using a proxy server if there is one and if it is configured in > Windows networking. > > Bernard > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am still struggeling with socket time out problems with pure http: > > requests at some customers with Win XP. > > > > One of them is a school, where you always have very restricted access to > the > > internet. But the network admin told me that he has switched off the > > firewall, all filters and routers and routed his test PC around the > proxy > > directly to the access point. Other apps have access to the internet - > But > > who really knows? > > > > Does anybody knows, if the rev internet librarys take account of the > windows > > IP and network configuration, like proxy, DNS, etc. or do they make > their > > own way through the network? > > > > Thanks > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From gbrackett at luceatlux.com Wed Apr 8 12:30:48 2009 From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 12:30:48 -0400 Subject: List Magic In-Reply-To: <019201c9b837$fd02eff0$f708cfd0$@com> References: <019201c9b837$fd02eff0$f708cfd0$@com> Message-ID: I tried changing the "en" tooltip for the header group of a ListMagic 1.1.3 list that only permits filtering (tooltip: "Right-click to start or stop filtering") and the tooltip appeared as expected while I stayed on that card. I made no other change to the list. I saved the stack. Then I went to another card and came back to find that the original tooltip ("A right-click allows many operations") had been restored. Is there a way to make the tooltip change permanent? I noticed also that the "en" menu text is also restored. (Note: the list is initially hidden and the list group and field are shown on the press of a button. There is no manipulation of the list except hiding it on openCard, and none at all on closeCard) George On Apr 8, 2009, at 6:51 AM, Jim Bufalini wrote: Hi Warren, > I was in the process of purchasing List Magic when I found out that > the > person responsible for writing it has passed away. > > I have a question on the product and was hoping someone that is using > the > product would be able to answer. I am trying to change the tool tip on > my > headings by going into the properties. Whenever I change them, it > keeps > going back to: > > 'A right click allows many operations' > > Is there anyway to change this? Hopefully there is someone here that > has > used List Magic? It looks very impressive! > > Thanks for any help you can provide! > Warren My apologies for being away and not noticing this post sooner. Yes. To change this tooltip, go to the card where you have installed a ListMagic widget. You will find a group with the name you called the list. This is the header group. Go to custom properties for this group and select cSSSTooltips. Then if you want to change the English tooltip, select the *en* custom property and change it to whatever you would prefer. You will also find the cSSSMenus here for the header. To make similar changes for the list itself, change the custom properties of the same names for the field that has the name you gave the ListMagic widget. Aloha from Hawaii Jim Bufalini _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 13:00:38 2009 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:00:38 +0100 Subject: How do Rev internet libraries work? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tiemo, Even if every network does have its own proxy, the IP address of each proxy is unlikely to be the same (and the port may also be different). If your application is on a network where the users are not allowed direct access to the internet (either for security or caching reasons), then somewhere in your app you would need to have a preference for setting the IP address & port of the proxy. Once the user has entered that information, then your app would need to save it as some kind of file (a stack or text file), or in the registry. On restart your app would re-set the proxy to the previously saved settings. Without this information, if there is a proxy then it's unlikely your app would ever be able to make an internet connection (assuming the proxy is there for security reasons). This would be the same for many other applications I suspect. I guess it is possible to query the registry on Windows in order to find out the proxy's IP address/port from there. I don't work much with Windows any more, but that information should be available on the internet. I hope that is the kind of information you want. Bernard On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hi Bernard, > I don't understand the use of HTTPProxy. How can I set a proxy in my off the > shelf app, if every intranet network has is own proxys inhouse? > Thanks > Tiemo > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bernard Devlin >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. April 2009 16:24 >> An: How to use Revolution >> Betreff: Re: How do Rev internet libraries work? >> >> Hi Tiemo, >> >> I don't remember if Rev's internet library is just implemented in >> transcript or not. ?However, if you are using a hostname instead of an >> IP address when you are connecting to your server, then it will be >> using the DNS configured in Windows. >> >> When it comes to proxies, you can explicitly set the proxy address using: >> >> set the HTTPProxy to host:portNumber >> >> Obviously, if you're not doing that then I don't think you are going >> to be using a proxy server if there is one and if it is configured in >> Windows networking. >> >> Bernard >> >> On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB >> wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > I am still struggeling with socket time out problems with pure http: >> > requests at some customers with Win XP. >> > >> > One of them is a school, where you always have very restricted access to >> the >> > internet. But the network admin told me that he has switched off the >> > firewall, all filters and routers and routed his test PC around the >> proxy >> > directly to the access point. Other apps have access to the internet - >> But >> > who really knows? >> > >> > Does anybody knows, if the rev internet librarys take account of the >> windows >> > IP and network configuration, like proxy, DNS, etc. or do they make >> their >> > own way through the network? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Tiemo >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > use-revolution mailing list >> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 13:07:42 2009 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 18:07:42 +0100 Subject: Multi Thread FTP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Warren, Revolution is single-threaded. However, are you sure that you need multi-threading? I'm asking this because you can use callbacks with various internet actions in Rev, and this kind of event-based interactivity might be sufficient. There's a very good presentation by John Ousterhout (the man who designed Tcl/Tk) that puts forward a very effective case for event-based processing instead of multi-threaded processing (bottom line: only a small percentage of programmers are capable of writing working multi-threaded code). If you still need more than the event-based processing provided by callbacks, then you could look at Mark Smith's libRevCurl. I referred to it a couple of days back in a discussion on the list about getting round the fact that the POST action of Rev's internet library does not work with callbacks. Mark's library will make calls to the CURL executable, and such calls will all be independent of each other and will exploit the OS capacity for multi-processing. Bernard On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:33 PM, wrote: > Is it possible to create a program to do multi-thread FTP upload? ?From > what I understand about Revolution Studio, everything is single thread. > > Warren > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From h at FlexibleLearning.com Wed Apr 8 14:06:18 2009 From: h at FlexibleLearning.com (Hugh Senior) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:06:18 +0100 Subject: Set Script woes In-Reply-To: <20090401082411.B57EF48A5F1@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I have a protected stack that creates a window and a group, then sets the group script. Works a treat. When run as a compiled application exe, it no longer sets the script (I know this because an answer dlog that should display the script comes up empty instead). The only thing I could think of is that the window it creates is somehow protected as well, but a similar answer dlog confirms that the passkey of the new stack is empty. Any clues or insights? Am stuck. Many thanks in advance, Hugh Senior From Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com Wed Apr 8 14:20:34 2009 From: Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com (Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:20:34 -0500 Subject: Multi Thread FTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bernard, Thanks for your feedback. I will check out libRevCurl. I was looking for a way to open up multiple ftp connections and uploading html pages. Hopefully this Mark Smith's libRevCurl will point me in the right direction. Warren Bernard Devlin To Sent by: How to use Revolution use-revolution-bo unces at lists.runre cc v.com Subject Re: Multi Thread FTP 04/08/2009 12:08 PM Please respond to How to use Revolution Hi Warren, Revolution is single-threaded. However, are you sure that you need multi-threading? I'm asking this because you can use callbacks with various internet actions in Rev, and this kind of event-based interactivity might be sufficient. There's a very good presentation by John Ousterhout (the man who designed Tcl/Tk) that puts forward a very effective case for event-based processing instead of multi-threaded processing (bottom line: only a small percentage of programmers are capable of writing working multi-threaded code). If you still need more than the event-based processing provided by callbacks, then you could look at Mark Smith's libRevCurl. I referred to it a couple of days back in a discussion on the list about getting round the fact that the POST action of Rev's internet library does not work with callbacks. Mark's library will make calls to the CURL executable, and such calls will all be independent of each other and will exploit the OS capacity for multi-processing. Bernard On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:33 PM, wrote: > Is it possible to create a program to do multi-thread FTP upload? ?From > what I understand about Revolution Studio, everything is single thread. > > Warren > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jim at visitrieve.com Wed Apr 8 14:21:26 2009 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 08:21:26 -1000 Subject: List Magic In-Reply-To: References: <019201c9b837$fd02eff0$f708cfd0$@com> Message-ID: <01ac01c9b876$d47f1600$7d7d4200$@com> Hi George > I tried changing the "en" tooltip for the header group of a ListMagic > 1.1.3 list that only permits filtering (tooltip: "Right-click to start > or stop filtering") and the tooltip appeared as expected while I > stayed on that card. I made no other change to the list. I saved the > stack. Then I went to another card and came back to find that the > original tooltip ("A right-click allows many operations") had been > restored. I've just tested this and the tooltip and custom properties remained as I had changed them after saving the stack. I also tested putting more than one widget on a card and changing the tooltip custom property differently for each widget. These also remained as I had changed them after saving and re-launching the stack. Is it possible that you accidently hit the Modify button in ListMagic itself? The custom properties do get restored, in this case, even if you don't make any actual "changes" to the ListMagic widget(s) being Modified. This will also happen to all widgets on all cards of all stacks and substacks in a project, if you upgrade the project from one version of ListMagic to another. These are all "features." ;-) > Is there a way to make the tooltip change permanent? I > noticed also that the "en" menu text is also restored. To permanently change the header tooltip for all ListMagic widgets created in the future or modified in the future, you can: - First make a backup copy of your ListMagic itself and project. ;-) - Using the Application Browser, go to the Action tab of ListMagic. - Alter the custom properties for the LMGerericHeader group. This is the template used to create new headers. > (Note: the list > is initially hidden and the list group and field are shown on the > press of a button. There is no manipulation of the list except hiding > it on openCard, and none at all on closeCard) Just setting the visible property, to the best of my knowledge, does not change custom properties of an object. Which version of Rev are you using? Also are you using Rev's Property Inspector or GLX2's beta one? Aloha from Hawaii Jim Bufalini From gbrackett at luceatlux.com Wed Apr 8 14:52:07 2009 From: gbrackett at luceatlux.com (George C Brackett) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 14:52:07 -0400 Subject: List Magic In-Reply-To: <01ac01c9b876$d47f1600$7d7d4200$@com> References: <019201c9b837$fd02eff0$f708cfd0$@com> <01ac01c9b876$d47f1600$7d7d4200$@com> Message-ID: <0D9F01A2-AA7D-4A63-B5DF-39D11610BC96@luceatlux.com> Perhaps we should take this offline? In any case, I repeated the problem on MY stack twice, once with GLX2's beta property inspector and once with the standard one. I'm using Rev 3.0.0 build 750. I made absolutely the minimum operations necessary to perform the test, starting with a freshly-loaded stack (not empty, and fairly complicated) and a freshly-started Rev IDE. I didn't launch the ListMagic plugin at all. There are two ListMagic widgets on the card in question. The first one shown at openCard has the default tooltip (I never got around to changing it) and the second one shown after a button press displays the problem. George On Apr 8, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Jim Bufalini wrote: Hi George > I tried changing the "en" tooltip for the header group of a ListMagic > 1.1.3 list that only permits filtering (tooltip: "Right-click to start > or stop filtering") and the tooltip appeared as expected while I > stayed on that card. I made no other change to the list. I saved the > stack. Then I went to another card and came back to find that the > original tooltip ("A right-click allows many operations") had been > restored. I've just tested this and the tooltip and custom properties remained as I had changed them after saving the stack. I also tested putting more than one widget on a card and changing the tooltip custom property differently for each widget. These also remained as I had changed them after saving and re-launching the stack. Is it possible that you accidently hit the Modify button in ListMagic itself? The custom properties do get restored, in this case, even if you don't make any actual "changes" to the ListMagic widget(s) being Modified. This will also happen to all widgets on all cards of all stacks and substacks in a project, if you upgrade the project from one version of ListMagic to another. These are all "features." ;-) > Is there a way to make the tooltip change permanent? I > noticed also that the "en" menu text is also restored. To permanently change the header tooltip for all ListMagic widgets created in the future or modified in the future, you can: - First make a backup copy of your ListMagic itself and project. ;-) - Using the Application Browser, go to the Action tab of ListMagic. - Alter the custom properties for the LMGerericHeader group. This is the template used to create new headers. > (Note: the list > is initially hidden and the list group and field are shown on the > press of a button. There is no manipulation of the list except hiding > it on openCard, and none at all on closeCard) Just setting the visible property, to the best of my knowledge, does not change custom properties of an object. Which version of Rev are you using? Also are you using Rev's Property Inspector or GLX2's beta one? Aloha from Hawaii Jim Bufalini _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From DunbarX at aol.com Wed Apr 8 14:59:33 2009 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:59:33 EDT Subject: Set Script woes Message-ID: Any chance you have used the consdensed In a message dated 4/8/09 2:06:29 PM, h at FlexibleLearning.com writes: > I have a protected stack that creates a window and a group, then sets the > group script. Works a treat. When run as a compiled application exe, it no > longer sets the script (I know this because an answer dlog that should > display the script comes up empty instead). > > The only thing I could think of is that the window it creates is somehow > protected as well, but a similar answer dlog confirms that the passkey of > the new stack is empty. > > Any clues or insights? Am stuck. > > Many thanks in advance, > ************** New Deals on Dell Netbooks ? Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219939010x1201342897/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fa d.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771626%3B35379597%3Bw) From DunbarX at aol.com Wed Apr 8 15:02:31 2009 From: DunbarX at aol.com (DunbarX at aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 15:02:31 EDT Subject: Set Script woes Message-ID: In a message dated 4/8/09 2:06:29 PM, h at FlexibleLearning.com writes: > I have a protected stack that creates a window and a group, then sets the > group script. Works a treat. When run as a compiled application exe, it no > longer sets the script (I know this because an answer dlog that should > display the script comes up empty instead). > > Try again. > Any chance you are using one of the mac "condensed" characters like "?" or "? "? I ran up against this recently. You get no error, but running scripts simply halt. If so, rewrite them as "<>" and "<=" and the like. Craig Newman > The only thing I could think of is that the window it creates is somehow > protected as well, but a similar answer dlog confirms that the passkey of > the new stack is empty. > > Any clues or insights? Am stuck. > > Many thanks in advance, > ************** New Deals on Dell Netbooks ? Now starting at $299 (A HREF=http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219939010x1201342897/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fa d.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213771626%3B35379597%3Bw) From jim at visitrieve.com Wed Apr 8 15:19:21 2009 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:19:21 -1000 Subject: Set Script woes In-Reply-To: References: <20090401082411.B57EF48A5F1@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <01b201c9b87e$ec250910$c46f1b30$@com> Hi Hugh, > I have a protected stack that creates a window and a group, then sets > the > group script. Works a treat. When run as a compiled application exe, it > no > longer sets the script (I know this because an answer dlog that should > display the script comes up empty instead). > > The only thing I could think of is that the window it creates is > somehow > protected as well, but a similar answer dlog confirms that the passkey > of > the new stack is empty. > > Any clues or insights? Am stuck. > > Many thanks in advance, I ran into something similar recently and it had to do with layering and modal windows, which answer dialogs of course are. Try setting the topStack or defaultStack back to the stack with the newly created group before attempting to set the script. Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From jim at visitrieve.com Wed Apr 8 15:23:19 2009 From: jim at visitrieve.com (Jim Bufalini) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:23:19 -1000 Subject: List Magic In-Reply-To: <0D9F01A2-AA7D-4A63-B5DF-39D11610BC96@luceatlux.com> References: <019201c9b837$fd02eff0$f708cfd0$@com> <01ac01c9b876$d47f1600$7d7d4200$@com> <0D9F01A2-AA7D-4A63-B5DF-39D11610BC96@luceatlux.com> Message-ID: <01b301c9b87f$79cf35b0$6d6da110$@com> Hi George, > Perhaps we should take this offline? In any case, I repeated the > problem on MY stack twice, once with GLX2's beta property inspector > and once with the standard one. Yes, if you can create just a simple sample stack that exhibits this behavior, please send it to support at sosmartsoftware.com and I'll have a look. Thanks! Aloha from Hawaii, Jim Bufalini From lists at futilism.com Wed Apr 8 15:25:18 2009 From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 20:25:18 +0100 Subject: Multi Thread FTP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Warren, there's the beginnings of ftp support in libRevCurl, but because that hasn't been what my own need is, I haven't really developed it. I'll take a look and see how poor it is! Best, Mark On 8 Apr 2009, at 19:20, Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com wrote: > Bernard, > > Thanks for your feedback. I will check out libRevCurl. I was > looking for > a way to open up multiple ftp connections and uploading html pages. > Hopefully this Mark Smith's libRevCurl will point me in the right > direction. > > Warren > > > > > Bernard Devlin > > om> To > Sent by: How to use Revolution > use-revolution-bo revolution at lists.runrev.com> > > unces at lists.runre cc > v.com > > Subject > Re: Multi Thread FTP > 04/08/2009 12:08 > PM > > > Please respond to > How to use > Revolution > ists.runrev.com> > > > > > > > Hi Warren, > > Revolution is single-threaded. However, are you sure that you need > multi-threading? I'm asking this because you can use callbacks with > various internet actions in Rev, and this kind of event-based > interactivity might be sufficient. There's a very good presentation > by John Ousterhout (the man who designed Tcl/Tk) that puts forward a > very effective case for event-based processing instead of > multi-threaded processing (bottom line: only a small percentage of > programmers are capable of writing working multi-threaded code). > > If you still need more than the event-based processing provided by > callbacks, then you could look at Mark Smith's libRevCurl. I referred > to it a couple of days back in a discussion on the list about getting > round the fact that the POST action of Rev's internet library does not > work with callbacks. > > Mark's library will make calls to the CURL executable, and such calls > will all be independent of each other and will exploit the OS capacity > for multi-processing. > > Bernard > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:33 PM, wrote: >> Is it possible to create a program to do multi-thread FTP upload? >> From >> what I understand about Revolution Studio, everything is single >> thread. >> >> Warren >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Apr 8 15:27:43 2009 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 19:27:43 +0000 Subject: Set Script woes Message-ID: <1585418498-1239218897-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1399196915-@bxe1083.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> You can't set scripts more than 10 lines long in standalone applications due to Rev's inherent script limits. This is default behavior but I've *heard* that if you approach the Runtime folks with a compelling argument for a specific project, they *might* grant an exception. ------Original Message------ From: Hugh Senior Sender: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com To: Revolution Mail List ReplyTo: Revolution Mail List Subject: Set Script woes Sent: Apr 8, 2009 11:06 AM I have a protected stack that creates a window and a group, then sets the group script. Works a treat. When run as a compiled application exe, it no longer sets the script (I know this because an answer dlog that should display the script comes up empty instead). The only thing I could think of is that the window it creates is somehow protected as well, but a similar answer dlog confirms that the passkey of the new stack is empty. Any clues or insights? Am stuck. Many thanks in advance, Hugh Senior _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com Wed Apr 8 15:41:56 2009 From: Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com (Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 14:41:56 -0500 Subject: Multi Thread FTP In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mark, Thanks for any help! Much appreciated. I have downloaded the libRevCurl script and it looks very impressive. Warren Mark Smith To Sent by: How to use Revolution use-revolution-bo unces at lists.runre cc v.com Subject Re: Multi Thread FTP 04/08/2009 02:25 PM Please respond to How to use Revolution Warren, there's the beginnings of ftp support in libRevCurl, but because that hasn't been what my own need is, I haven't really developed it. I'll take a look and see how poor it is! Best, Mark On 8 Apr 2009, at 19:20, Warren.Kuhl at NorthernTool.com wrote: > Bernard, > > Thanks for your feedback. I will check out libRevCurl. I was > looking for > a way to open up multiple ftp connections and uploading html pages. > Hopefully this Mark Smith's libRevCurl will point me in the right > direction. > > Warren > > > > > Bernard Devlin > > om> To > Sent by: How to use Revolution > use-revolution-bo revolution at lists.runrev.com> > > unces at lists.runre cc > v.com > > Subject > Re: Multi Thread FTP > 04/08/2009 12:08 > PM > > > Please respond to > How to use > Revolution > ists.runrev.com> > > > > > > > Hi Warren, > > Revolution is single-threaded. However, are you sure that you need > multi-threading? I'm asking this because you can use callbacks with > various internet actions in Rev, and this kind of event-based > interactivity might be sufficient. There's a very good presentation > by John Ousterhout (the man who designed Tcl/Tk) that puts forward a > very effective case for event-based processing instead of > multi-threaded processing (bottom line: only a small percentage of > programmers are capable of writing working multi-threaded code). > > If you still need more than the event-based processing provided by > callbacks, then you could look at Mark Smith's libRevCurl. I referred > to it a couple of days back in a discussion on the list about getting > round the fact that the POST action of Rev's internet library does not > work with callbacks. > > Mark's library will make calls to the CURL executable, and such calls > will all be independent of each other and will exploit the OS capacity > for multi-processing. > > Bernard > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:33 PM, wrote: >> Is it possible to create a program to do multi-thread FTP upload? >> From >> what I understand about Revolution Studio, everything is single >> thread. >> >> Warren >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From kevin at runrev.com Wed Apr 8 15:42:11 2009 From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:42:11 +0100 Subject: Revolution 3.5 launched Message-ID: Hi, Just to let you know that Revolution 3.5 has been launched and is now available on our website or through check for updates. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Apr 8 16:13:17 2009 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:13:17 -0500 Subject: Set Script woes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49DD055D.1020709@hyperactivesw.com> Hugh Senior wrote: > I have a protected stack that creates a window and a group, then sets the > group script. Works a treat. When run as a compiled application exe, it no > longer sets the script (I know this because an answer dlog that should > display the script comes up empty instead). > > The only thing I could think of is that the window it creates is somehow > protected as well, but a similar answer dlog confirms that the passkey of > the new stack is empty. > > Any clues or insights? Am stuck. You've probably hit the script limits. In a standalone, you can't set a script that has more than 10 lines. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Apr 8 16:20:49 2009 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:20:49 -0700 Subject: Revolution 3.5 launched Message-ID: <49DD0721.5050108@fourthworld.com> Kevin Miller wrote: > Just to let you know that Revolution 3.5 has been launched and is now > available on our website or through check for updates. Congrats and thanks to the team. 3.5's Behaviors feature is probably the most significant enhancement to the language in many years. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Revolution training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for Rev developers: http://www.revjournal.com From jimaultwins at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 16:34:02 2009 From: jimaultwins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:34:02 -0700 Subject: Set Script woes In-Reply-To: <49DD055D.1020709@hyperactivesw.com> References: <49DD055D.1020709@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Hugh, Jacque has probably hit the correct answer for you case. The 'set script' strategy would work if the new group script was a call to a compiled function in another script in the hierarchy. If your idea was to customize the script, then set the script of an object to that script, you should consider writing the compiled handler with branching or params to handle variations. Hope this helps. Jim Ault Las Vegas On Apr 8, 2009, at 1:13 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Hugh Senior wrote: >> I have a protected stack that creates a window and a group, then >> sets the >> group script. Works a treat. When run as a compiled application >> exe, it no >> longer sets the script (I know this because an answer dlog that >> should >> display the script comes up empty instead). >> The only thing I could think of is that the window it creates is >> somehow >> protected as well, but a similar answer dlog confirms that the >> passkey of >> the new stack is empty. >> Any clues or insights? Am stuck. > > You've probably hit the script limits. In a standalone, you can't > set a script that has more than 10 lines. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Apr 8 16:45:23 2009 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 15:45:23 -0500 Subject: how to make things happen at specific times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49DD0CE3.4050205@hyperactivesw.com> DunbarX at aol.com wrote: > I need to understand how pending messages are stored. > > But going back to the stone age, I have several "alarms" running at all, > er, times, and I have always used an "idle" handler to invoke them: > > on idle > if the long time = "4:00:00 pm" then > wait 100 -- as Sarah says, make sure this only happens once > send yourMessage to whereEver > end idle > > You could embellish this endlessly; case structures come to mind. I have > several library stacks always running with such handlers in them, so it > doesn't matter what working stacks might be open; the message is sent. In general, idle handlers should be avoided. They take up lots of engine time, and usually 99% of the time they execute, nothing happens. Instead, Rev offers the "send in