From jim at d-film.com Wed Oct 1 00:00:22 2008 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:00:22 -0400 Subject: Last-Minute Enterprise Upgrade Question In-Reply-To: <4be051070809302024h480a773fo306fca0ba0b7b480@mail.gmail.com> References: <4be051070809302024h480a773fo306fca0ba0b7b480@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It's a better deal. The upgrade is $250, not $299, and the software assurance pack is an early renewal of the annual subscription so you can continue to get all upgrades for an additional year for $133 instead of $199. If you let your annual subscription lapse and then decide to upgrade, the regular Enterprise renewal is $399. Hope this helps. Jim On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Judy Perry wrote: > Hi all, > > I am, of course, happy that the mothership thought to send me an email > reminding me that the Studio -> Enterprise upgrade/purchase of 3.0 > ends tonight. I have credit card in hand. > > But I'm confused... after following the link provided in the email > which said the price was US$299, the webpage says it's US$250, with an > Enterprise Early Software Assurance Pack for an additional US$133, > bringing the total to US$383, not US$299. > > What am I not understanding? And, exactly what *is* said "Enterprise > Early Software Assurance Pack"? > > Kindest thanks for any insights anyone can offer. > > Judy > _________ From msrebnik at earthlink.net Wed Oct 1 00:02:36 2008 From: msrebnik at earthlink.net (Mark Srebnik) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:02:36 -0700 Subject: Last-Minute Enterprise Upgrade Question In-Reply-To: <4be051070809302024h480a773fo306fca0ba0b7b480@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Judy, The Early Software Assurance Pack provides you with free upgrades to Rev for 1 year instead of what comes with Rev (I think it's 90 days free upgrades). You can purchase an Assurance Pack later, within the next year, but it will be at a higher price than now when upgrading Rev. If you wait more than a year, then you'll pay for a renewal again, which is a bit less than a new license... This is how Rev explained it to me.... HTH, Mark on 9/30/08 8:24 PM, Judy Perry at katheryn.swynford at gmail.com wrote: > Hi all, > > I am, of course, happy that the mothership thought to send me an email > reminding me that the Studio -> Enterprise upgrade/purchase of 3.0 > ends tonight. I have credit card in hand. > > But I'm confused... after following the link provided in the email > which said the price was US$299, the webpage says it's US$250, with an > Enterprise Early Software Assurance Pack for an additional US$133, > bringing the total to US$383, not US$299. > > What am I not understanding? And, exactly what *is* said "Enterprise > Early Software Assurance Pack"? > > Kindest thanks for any insights anyone can offer. > > Judy > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 00:10:57 2008 From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:10:57 -0700 Subject: Last-Minute Enterprise Upgrade Question In-Reply-To: References: <4be051070809302024h480a773fo306fca0ba0b7b480@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4be051070809302110o7f4c26c3rd65284806f7ffd79@mail.gmail.com> Jim and Mark: Thank you for your replies, but I'm still confused because the following is *verbatim* from the email notice sent to me: "We're offering you the chance to upgrade your Studio license to Revolution Enterprise 3.0. Get the upgrade for just $299 *including* a year of updates." I read that as saying that I'm upgrading my existing Studio license to and Enterprise 3.0 license AND a year of updates "for just $299." What am I not understanding? Judy On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Jim Kanter wrote: > It's a better deal. The upgrade is $250, not $299, and the software > assurance pack is an early renewal of the annual subscription so you > can continue to get all upgrades for an additional year for $133 > instead of $199. If you let your annual subscription lapse and then > decide to upgrade, the regular Enterprise renewal is $399. > > Hope this helps. > > Jim > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Judy Perry > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I am, of course, happy that the mothership thought to send me an email >> reminding me that the Studio -> Enterprise upgrade/purchase of 3.0 >> ends tonight. I have credit card in hand. >> >> But I'm confused... after following the link provided in the email >> which said the price was US$299, the webpage says it's US$250, with an >> Enterprise Early Software Assurance Pack for an additional US$133, >> bringing the total to US$383, not US$299. >> >> What am I not understanding? And, exactly what *is* said "Enterprise >> Early Software Assurance Pack"? >> >> Kindest thanks for any insights anyone can offer. >> >> Judy >> _________ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jim at d-film.com Wed Oct 1 00:12:25 2008 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:12:25 -0400 Subject: Last-Minute Enterprise Upgrade Question In-Reply-To: <4be051070809302110o7f4c26c3rd65284806f7ffd79@mail.gmail.com> References: <4be051070809302024h480a773fo306fca0ba0b7b480@mail.gmail.com> <4be051070809302110o7f4c26c3rd65284806f7ffd79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The upgrade alone is for another year of updates, and the additional early assurance extends that for a second year. Jim On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Judy Perry wrote: > Jim and Mark: > > Thank you for your replies, but I'm still confused because the > following is *verbatim* from the email notice sent to me: > > "We're offering you the chance to upgrade your Studio license to > Revolution Enterprise 3.0. Get the upgrade for just $299 *including* a > year of updates." > > I read that as saying that I'm upgrading my existing Studio license to > and Enterprise 3.0 license AND a year of updates "for just $299." > > What am I not understanding? > > Judy > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Jim Kanter wrote: >> It's a better deal. The upgrade is $250, not $299, and the software >> assurance pack is an early renewal of the annual subscription so you >> can continue to get all upgrades for an additional year for $133 >> instead of $199. If you let your annual subscription lapse and then >> decide to upgrade, the regular Enterprise renewal is $399. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Jim >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Judy Perry >> wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am, of course, happy that the mothership thought to send me an email >>> reminding me that the Studio -> Enterprise upgrade/purchase of 3.0 >>> ends tonight. I have credit card in hand. >>> >>> But I'm confused... after following the link provided in the email >>> which said the price was US$299, the webpage says it's US$250, with an >>> Enterprise Early Software Assurance Pack for an additional US$133, >>> bringing the total to US$383, not US$299. >>> >>> What am I not understanding? And, exactly what *is* said "Enterprise >>> Early Software Assurance Pack"? >>> >>> Kindest thanks for any insights anyone can offer. >>> >>> Judy >>> _________ >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 00:19:46 2008 From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:19:46 -0700 Subject: Last-Minute Enterprise Upgrade Question In-Reply-To: References: <4be051070809302024h480a773fo306fca0ba0b7b480@mail.gmail.com> <4be051070809302110o7f4c26c3rd65284806f7ffd79@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4be051070809302119h27852d56yef6f2e207b50a780@mail.gmail.com> Oooohhhhhhh.... Thank you for explaining that! Now I'm feeling sufficiently secure in my understanding of the offer to go process my order. :-) Judy On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Jim Kanter wrote: > The upgrade alone is for another year of updates, and the additional > early assurance extends that for a second year. > > Jim > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Judy Perry wrote: >> Jim and Mark: >> >> Thank you for your replies, but I'm still confused because the >> following is *verbatim* from the email notice sent to me: >> >> "We're offering you the chance to upgrade your Studio license to >> Revolution Enterprise 3.0. Get the upgrade for just $299 *including* a >> year of updates." >> >> I read that as saying that I'm upgrading my existing Studio license to >> and Enterprise 3.0 license AND a year of updates "for just $299." >> >> What am I not understanding? >> >> Judy >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Jim Kanter wrote: >>> It's a better deal. The upgrade is $250, not $299, and the software >>> assurance pack is an early renewal of the annual subscription so you >>> can continue to get all upgrades for an additional year for $133 >>> instead of $199. If you let your annual subscription lapse and then >>> decide to upgrade, the regular Enterprise renewal is $399. >>> >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Judy Perry >>> wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I am, of course, happy that the mothership thought to send me an email >>>> reminding me that the Studio -> Enterprise upgrade/purchase of 3.0 >>>> ends tonight. I have credit card in hand. >>>> >>>> But I'm confused... after following the link provided in the email >>>> which said the price was US$299, the webpage says it's US$250, with an >>>> Enterprise Early Software Assurance Pack for an additional US$133, >>>> bringing the total to US$383, not US$299. >>>> >>>> What am I not understanding? And, exactly what *is* said "Enterprise >>>> Early Software Assurance Pack"? >>>> >>>> Kindest thanks for any insights anyone can offer. >>>> >>>> Judy >>>> _________ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From jim at d-film.com Wed Oct 1 00:22:07 2008 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:22:07 -0400 Subject: Last-Minute Enterprise Upgrade Question In-Reply-To: <4be051070809302119h27852d56yef6f2e207b50a780@mail.gmail.com> References: <4be051070809302024h480a773fo306fca0ba0b7b480@mail.gmail.com> <4be051070809302110o7f4c26c3rd65284806f7ffd79@mail.gmail.com> <4be051070809302119h27852d56yef6f2e207b50a780@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Programming in Rev is a lot easier than understanding the marketing folks. ;^) Jim On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Judy Perry wrote: > Oooohhhhhhh.... > > Thank you for explaining that! > > Now I'm feeling sufficiently secure in my understanding of the offer > to go process my order. > > :-) > > Judy > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:12 PM, Jim Kanter wrote: >> The upgrade alone is for another year of updates, and the additional >> early assurance extends that for a second year. >> >> Jim >> >> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Judy Perry wrote: >>> Jim and Mark: >>> >>> Thank you for your replies, but I'm still confused because the >>> following is *verbatim* from the email notice sent to me: >>> >>> "We're offering you the chance to upgrade your Studio license to >>> Revolution Enterprise 3.0. Get the upgrade for just $299 *including* a >>> year of updates." >>> >>> I read that as saying that I'm upgrading my existing Studio license to >>> and Enterprise 3.0 license AND a year of updates "for just $299." >>> >>> What am I not understanding? >>> >>> Judy >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Jim Kanter wrote: >>>> It's a better deal. The upgrade is $250, not $299, and the software >>>> assurance pack is an early renewal of the annual subscription so you >>>> can continue to get all upgrades for an additional year for $133 >>>> instead of $199. If you let your annual subscription lapse and then >>>> decide to upgrade, the regular Enterprise renewal is $399. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Judy Perry >>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I am, of course, happy that the mothership thought to send me an email >>>>> reminding me that the Studio -> Enterprise upgrade/purchase of 3.0 >>>>> ends tonight. I have credit card in hand. >>>>> >>>>> But I'm confused... after following the link provided in the email >>>>> which said the price was US$299, the webpage says it's US$250, with an >>>>> Enterprise Early Software Assurance Pack for an additional US$133, >>>>> bringing the total to US$383, not US$299. >>>>> >>>>> What am I not understanding? And, exactly what *is* said "Enterprise >>>>> Early Software Assurance Pack"? >>>>> >>>>> Kindest thanks for any insights anyone can offer. >>>>> >>>>> Judy >>>>> _________ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From briany at qldlearning.com Wed Oct 1 00:27:58 2008 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 21:27:58 -0700 Subject: Last-Minute Enterprise Upgrade Question In-Reply-To: References: <4be051070809302024h480a773fo306fca0ba0b7b480@mail.gmail.com> <4be051070809302110o7f4c26c3rd65284806f7ffd79@mail.gmail.com> <4be051070809302119h27852d56yef6f2e207b50a780@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <620FC759-4DD9-471A-9443-4989EEA62CE8@qldlearning.com> Perhaps they should post a stack which tells you what to buy, so we can see the source code =) > Programming in Rev is a lot easier than understanding the marketing > folks. ;^) > > Jim From sims at ezpzapps.com Wed Oct 1 01:26:14 2008 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:26:14 +0200 Subject: Just pondering - Rev CGI & iPhone Message-ID: <391AA42D-4933-415A-90A6-9C4CE12BAFC2@ezpzapps.com> After fiddling with some Rev CGI stuff here for a couple of weeks, I'm wondering how far this might take someone towards a sophisticated web app for the iPhone. Just think'in, mind you. They wouldn't be sold via the Apple App store, but that just might have some upside, especially when considering the restrictions Apple can throw at developers ;-) I wonder what cool Rev CGI apps already exist out there? sims From runrev at animabit.de Wed Oct 1 03:21:58 2008 From: runrev at animabit.de (runrev at animabit.de) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:21:58 +0000 Subject: Re-2: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) Message-ID: Hi all, thanks for the advise list! I checked the suggestions - and I think I have found the point I have identified the problem but do not understand it (and the idea about the edit menu of malte has helped me finding): I have a navigation background in all the stacks (=above all in the event hierarchy). I have made a test stack consisting only of some fields and this background group. With the background in it I cannot paste in the fields, after deleting the background I can. I have deleted the script in the background = the problem is the same therefore not in the script (I had no paste routines there). It is only the group object (marked as background without any further special details) which causes this behaviour that I cannot paste (Strg-V) into the fields of the stack where this background is included. Does the event STRG-V = paste be stopped by a background generally? I have put the teststack into URL http://animabit.de/runrev/test.rev and a standalone loading this stack into http://animabit.de/runrev/test.exe If anyone wants to test this behaviour. Regards, Franz Original Message processed by David InfoCenter Subject: Re: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) (30-Sep-2008 15:15) From: Malte Brill To: boehmisch at animabit.de hi, may sound stupid. Have you tried adding a menubar that has an edit menu to the main stack? If not could you try and see if you can paste then? If so I might be close to a godzilla report. Cheers, Malte _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From chipp at chipp.com Wed Oct 1 03:32:16 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 02:32:16 -0500 Subject: Re-2: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <665591460810010032v30b0475dk5ea666bf1709e1de@mail.gmail.com> I'm on WinXP and I have no problem cutting and pasting text on your demo stack using Rev 3.0. From runrev at animabit.de Wed Oct 1 03:44:22 2008 From: runrev at animabit.de (runrev at animabit.de) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:44:22 +0000 Subject: Re-4: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) Message-ID: Hi Chipp: In the IDE or in a standalone? I only have the problem when running in the standalone! Regards, Franz Original Message processed by David InfoCenter Subject: Re: Re-2: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) (01-Okt-2008 9:32) From: Chipp Walters To: boehmisch at animabit.de I'm on WinXP and I have no problem cutting and pasting text on your demo stack using Rev 3.0. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From chipp at chipp.com Wed Oct 1 04:35:16 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 03:35:16 -0500 Subject: Re-4: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <665591460810010135r5f84bc09q81bffb7c356d2ab@mail.gmail.com> I'm using the IDE. I cannot debug the standalone. From runrev at animabit.de Wed Oct 1 04:45:33 2008 From: runrev at animabit.de (runrev at animabit.de) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 08:45:33 +0000 Subject: Re-6: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) Message-ID: Hello Chipp. Thanks you very much! the http://animabit.de/runrev/test.exe is a 2.9 standalone which loads the runrev stack with the same name in the same dir. If someone wants to download both files in a dir and test it. The Problem are the menuitems in the background group in a standalone. If I delete the menuitems and just put a button in the background group it works in the standalone. If anyone had the time to make a windows standalone out of the test.rev stack with 3.0 we could see whether the problem is still alive or solved. Thanks for your testing. Regards, Franz Original Message processed by David InfoCenter Subject: Re: Re-4: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) (01-Okt-2008 10:35) From: Chipp Walters To: boehmisch at animabit.de I'm using the IDE. I cannot debug the standalone. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From pepetoo at cox.net Wed Oct 1 04:58:38 2008 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 01:58:38 -0700 Subject: Re-6: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <112CB2E4-F734-4561-B3FA-183D1772143C@cox.net> Hi Franz, I downloaded the standalone and attempted to run it on my Intel Mac with Leopard running XP under VMWare's Fusion. It wouldn't open at all, so I have no idea what your problem may be. Joe Wilkins On Oct 1, 2008, at 1:45 AM, runrev at animabit.de wrote: > Hello Chipp. > > Thanks you very much! > > the http://animabit.de/runrev/test.exe is a 2.9 standalone which > loads the runrev stack with the same name in the same dir. If > someone wants to download both files in a dir and test it. > > The Problem are the menuitems in the background group in a > standalone. If I delete the menuitems and just put a button in the > background group it works in the standalone. > > If anyone had the time to make a windows standalone out of the > test.rev stack with 3.0 we could see whether the problem is still > alive or solved. > > > Thanks for your testing. > > Regards, Franz From revolution at derbrill.de Wed Oct 1 04:59:48 2008 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:59:48 +0200 Subject: Re-6: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) In-Reply-To: <20080930170006.5C22328892A@mail.runrev.com> References: <20080930170006.5C22328892A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <6E03DA56-29AE-439B-BF6C-E6234B1684B0@derbrill.de> Hi Franz, also does not work with a 3.0 Standalone. Please report this to QCC. XP Pro, german. All the best, Malte From runrev at animabit.de Wed Oct 1 06:04:46 2008 From: runrev at animabit.de (runrev at animabit.de) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:04:46 +0000 Subject: Re-7: I cannot paste in any field in an app (reproducable bug, final report) Message-ID: Hallo Malte, Chipp, Tiemo, Neal, Devin Thanks to all. The Problem is identified and reproducable as a bug even in 3.0 standalone (thanks Malte Brill). Will report the bug in the bugcenter. For me actually solvable by replacing all menuitems in the navigation group (= I do not use the menueditor anymore) by buttons and a script in the group on mouseup send "menuPick" && the label of target end mouseup Finis. Regards, Franz Original Message processed by David InfoCenter Subject: Re-6: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) (01-Okt-2008 10:59) From: Malte Brill To: boehmisch at animabit.de Hi Franz, also does not work with a 3.0 Standalone. Please report this to QCC. XP Pro, german. All the best, Malte _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Oct 1 06:15:59 2008 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:15:59 +0200 Subject: [ANN][EN][FR] Images Picker 1.0 Utility by So Smart Software Message-ID: <31A7E773-4E66-4ECA-AB74-37D60C1D0A2A@sosmartsoftware.com> Paris, Wednesday, October 1, 2008 ---------------------- English version ------------------------- I'm happy to announce that "Images Picker 1.0" is available: This utility for Revolution 2.7 or later displays as thumbnails all PNG, JPEG or GIF images found in the top stack and its substacks according to filters you have set (format, size, sort order, etc.). Then it allows to export selected real size images to independent files in their native format or the one you choose for converting them. Preferences and help included. You will find it by going to http://www.sosmartsoftware.com - Revolution/Plugins section. Screenshots and more information on my website. Best regards, Eric Chatonet. --------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------ J'ai de plaisir d'annoncer la sortie de "Images Picker 1.0" : Cet utilitaire pour Revolution 2.7 ou ult?rieur affiche les vignettes de toutes les images PNG, JPEG or GIF trouv?es dans une pile en fonction des filtres sp?cifi?s (format, taille, ordre de tri, etc.). Ensuite, Images Picker permet d'exporter les images s?lectionn?es en taille r?elle comme fichiers ind?pendants dans leur format d'origine ou celui que vous aurez choisi pour les convertir. Pr?f?rences et aide (en anglais) incluses. Rendez-vous sur http://www.sosmartsoftware.com - Section Revolution/ Plugins. Copies d'?cran et plus d'information sur mon site. Cordialement, Eric Chatonet. ------------------------------------------------------------------- So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Pour les institutionnels, les entreprises et les associations Des logiciels sur mesure : gestion, multim?dia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS et Linux... Avec la "french touch" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Web site http://www.sosmartsoftware.com Email eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Phone 33 (0) 143 317 762 Mobile 33 (0) 620 745 086 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at looktowindward.com Wed Oct 1 06:58:01 2008 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 11:58:01 +0100 Subject: Standalone Saving Woes Message-ID: <2CEE8AA4-A4C2-4694-BB6E-015711179EEC@looktowindward.com> Hi All, I have a Stack that attempts to automate the process of building a standalone application. This works well, I save the Standalone Settings in an SQLite database and set them when I want to build a particular application. However, I have one really grotty problem, I need to be able to control which folder the Standalone gets saved in. If you do this manually via the Fie Menu Item, it pops up a Standard Get Folder dialog (which is VERY annoying anyway! Why the Folder to save the Standalone is not specified in the Standalone Settings Array along with all the other build information is beyond me??!!), I have some AppleScript that sends Keystrokes to RunRev to set the correct path, but this is VERY hit and miss and only works 1 in 3 times. I have been looking at the IDE code and it looks like the code that Saves a Standalone is protected so I can't edit the scripts. From looking at the code that is unprotected I have found the place where the Standalone Save code gets called: send "revSaveAsStandalone" && quote & myStackShortName & quote to stack "revSaveAsStandalone" I think it would have been a MUCH better idea to pass the Build Folder Path to the revSaveAsStandalone handler as a second parameter. I imagine the code could easily be changed as so: on revSaveAsStandalone theStackName,theBuildFolderPathName .................. .................. if (theBuildFolderPathName <> empty) and (there is a folder theBuildFolderPathName) then put theBuildFolderPathName into it else answer folder "Choose a Folder to Build in." end if <<<<>>>> Do you think that I could get RunRev to do this change? If so how much do you think would be a reasonably price for such a modification? All the Best Dave From dave at looktowindward.com Wed Oct 1 07:17:24 2008 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:17:24 +0100 Subject: Possible Windows Developer Required Message-ID: <90F8CA47-8FD5-4D78-97D4-4FAE5FEE76C0@looktowindward.com> Hi All, We may have the need for a windows developer to help out of an existing Mac/Windows application. Here is the job spec: Job Description: Windows Engineer (XP and Vista) needed to work on cross platform (Mac and Windows) application. The Application communicates with iTunes and Internet Explorer using JavaScript/COM. The area of work will involve working with the lead engineer to bring the application up to the same level as the Macintosh version. Job Skills: Windows XP and Vista. JavaScript. COM. Scripting. iTunes (would be advantageous). Run Time Revolution (would be advantageous). If anyone is interested pleased contact me on my private email address. All the Best Dave From dave at looktowindward.com Wed Oct 1 07:41:46 2008 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:41:46 +0100 Subject: RunRev AppleScript Question Message-ID: Hi All, Given the Statement: send "revSaveAsStandalone" && quote & myStackShortName & quote to stack "revSaveAsStandalone" What statement would I have to pass to the Revolution "do script" AppleScript command to do the same thing? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Oct 1 08:02:03 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:02:03 +0200 Subject: RunRev AppleScript Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41B3A1A5-BF81-4A96-BF9C-26FE2D1D931B@economy-x-talk.com> Dave, set myScript to "send \"revSaveAsStandalone\" && quote & myStackShortName & quote to stack \"revSaveAsStandalone\"" tell application "Standalone" to do script myScript -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 1 okt 2008, at 13:41, Dave wrote: > Hi All, > > Given the Statement: > > send "revSaveAsStandalone" && quote & myStackShortName & quote to > stack "revSaveAsStandalone" > > What statement would I have to pass to the Revolution "do script" > AppleScript command to do the same thing? > > Thanks a lot > All the Best > Dave From dave at looktowindward.com Wed Oct 1 08:30:51 2008 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 13:30:51 +0100 Subject: RunRev AppleScript Question In-Reply-To: <41B3A1A5-BF81-4A96-BF9C-26FE2D1D931B@economy-x-talk.com> References: <41B3A1A5-BF81-4A96-BF9C-26FE2D1D931B@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark, I just tried the following: set myStackShortName to "SATest1" set myScript to "send \"revSaveAsStandalone\" && quote & myStackShortName & quote to stack \"revSaveAsStandalone\"" tell application "Revolution" do script myScript end tell And it doesn't work! I've been trying loads of different syntax's but I can't find the secret code! Here's an interesting one: In Stack Script of SATest1 I have the following handler: on Beeper theMessage beep answer theMessage end Beeper Then from the AppleScript I do: set myQuote to (ASCII character 34) set myRRScript to "send beeper" & " & quote & " & myQuote & "Message" & myQuote & " & quote " & " to stack " & myQuote & "SATest1" & myQuote Which works and displays "Message", however if I change it to: set myRRScript to "send beeper" & " & quote & " & myQuote & "Hello Message" & myQuote & " & quote " & " to stack " & myQuote & "SATest1" & myQuote Then Beeper gets called (it beeps!) BUT the message is empty? What gives??? All the Best Dave On 1 Oct 2008, at 13:02, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Dave, > > set myScript to > "send \"revSaveAsStandalone\" && quote & myStackShortName & quote > to stack \"revSaveAsStandalone\"" > tell application "Standalone" to do script myScript > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ > > Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x- > talk.com/server.html for more info. > > On 1 okt 2008, at 13:41, Dave wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Given the Statement: >> >> send "revSaveAsStandalone" && quote & myStackShortName & quote to >> stack "revSaveAsStandalone" >> >> What statement would I have to pass to the Revolution "do script" >> AppleScript command to do the same thing? >> >> Thanks a lot >> All the Best >> Dave > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From klaus at major-k.de Wed Oct 1 08:59:55 2008 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 14:59:55 +0200 Subject: decompress -> result = 1 Message-ID: <376182D6-5B5E-4A62-B8F2-8BC6FBA2B094@major-k.de> Hi all, can someone maybe give me a little hint what the result 1 means when I decompress a file? Here is an excerpt of an update/install routine of our current project. This is happening on a Mac, will have to test on windows later. All filenames, references etc. are VALID! ... ## Dateinamen zusammenbasteln... ## CONTRUCT FILENAMES put the ims_installer_ordner of this stack & "win_exe.gz" into win_gz put win_ordner & "iDual IMS.exe" into win_ziel ## Dateien kopieren... ## COPY FILES ## EXE put url("binfile:" & win_gz) into w1 put decompress(w1) into w2 if the result <> empty then ############### Error decompressing Windows Runtime######### answer "Fehler beim entpacken der Windows Runtime!" & CR & the result ################ HERE I get "1" as the result*** alles_auf_anfang exit to top ################ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! see below... end if ### WORKS!??? put w2 into url("binfile:" & win_ziel) if the result <> empty then ### WORKS!??? answer "Fehler beim schreiben der Windows Runtime!" & CR & the result alles_auf_anfang exit to top end if ### ... *** The REALLY strange things are: the other decompress actions run without errors AND although there is an "exit to top" statement, the scripts keeps on running and afterwards EVERYTHING has been installed without problems? So does "1" as the result of a decompress action really indicate that something went wrong? Could not find a hint in the docs. Any insights very welcome. Thanks in advance! Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From mlist at me.com Wed Oct 1 09:21:05 2008 From: mlist at me.com (Severin Swensen) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 08:21:05 -0500 Subject: Sharing stack via revonline In-Reply-To: <539D611D-290B-4806-8F88-75FF8AFC7ACF@grogware.com> References: <749B604E-F17F-45A9-98D2-378B27AB8909@tolisgroup.com> <539D611D-290B-4806-8F88-75FF8AFC7ACF@grogware.com> Message-ID: <9E4692EE-C7EB-4D17-863B-5746203BE013@me.com> I shared a stack online via revonline and have trouble updating it to a new version. I share it the first time and put in a description Then I save it to my local drive. Next time a load the stack from my local drive make some changes and click share this stack. This opens the revonline viewer I click on my space and tried various alternatives but can not update the shared stack, short of deleting it and then adding it again. Thanks Severin From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Oct 1 09:25:41 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:25:41 +0200 Subject: Sharing stack via revonline In-Reply-To: <9E4692EE-C7EB-4D17-863B-5746203BE013@me.com> References: <749B604E-F17F-45A9-98D2-378B27AB8909@tolisgroup.com> <539D611D-290B-4806-8F88-75FF8AFC7ACF@grogware.com> <9E4692EE-C7EB-4D17-863B-5746203BE013@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Severin, Create a stack, save it on disk. Choose Share This Stack from the file menu. Immediately after uploading it to RevOnline, save the stack again. Next time when you choose Share This Stack from the file menu, meaning to share the same stack again, it will update automatically instead of uploading a copy. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 1 okt 2008, at 15:21, Severin Swensen wrote: > I shared a stack online via revonline and have trouble updating it > to a new version. > I share it the first time and put in a description > Then I save it to my local drive. > Next time a load the stack from my local drive make some changes and > click share this stack. > This opens the revonline viewer I click on my space and tried > various alternatives but can not update the shared stack, short of > deleting it and then adding it again. > > Thanks > Severin From sundown at pacifier.com Wed Oct 1 09:27:32 2008 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 06:27:32 -0700 Subject: Sharing stack via revonline In-Reply-To: <9E4692EE-C7EB-4D17-863B-5746203BE013@me.com> References: <749B604E-F17F-45A9-98D2-378B27AB8909@tolisgroup.com> <539D611D-290B-4806-8F88-75FF8AFC7ACF@grogware.com> <9E4692EE-C7EB-4D17-863B-5746203BE013@me.com> Message-ID: <1E4E0AEA-1F0F-4C20-B109-A759E0774949@pacifier.com> I have the same problems. The solution is do not update it. Use the delete button instead of updating and then use the same steps to put it on as you did the last time you put it on. -=>JB<=- On Oct 1, 2008, at 6:21 AM, Severin Swensen wrote: > I shared a stack online via revonline and have trouble updating it > to a new version. > I share it the first time and put in a description > Then I save it to my local drive. > Next time a load the stack from my local drive make some changes > and click share this stack. > This opens the revonline viewer I click on my space and tried > various alternatives but can not update the shared stack, short of > deleting it and then adding it again. > > Thanks > Severin > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From rjb at robelko.com Wed Oct 1 09:27:45 2008 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:27:45 +0200 Subject: RunRev AppleScript Question In-Reply-To: References: <41B3A1A5-BF81-4A96-BF9C-26FE2D1D931B@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: On 01.10.2008 at 13:30 Uhr +0100 Dave apparently wrote: >Which works and displays "Message", however if I change it to: > >set myRRScript to "send beeper" & " & quote & " & myQuote & "Hello >Message" & myQuote & " & quote " & " to stack " & myQuote & >"SATest1" & myQuote > >Then Beeper gets called (it beeps!) BUT the message is empty? > >What gives??? > >All the Best >Dave > Have you tried to urlencode the "Hello Message"? Robert From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Oct 1 09:56:00 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:56:00 +0200 Subject: RunRev AppleScript Question In-Reply-To: References: <41B3A1A5-BF81-4A96-BF9C-26FE2D1D931B@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, myStackShortName is part of the string, it isn't parsed by AppleScript. I suppose Rev can't find stack "myStackShortName". Here's an example that works. I have a stack "Untitled 1" with the following script: on foo theString beep put theString end foo and I made this AppleScript: set myScript to "send \"foo\" && quote & \"Hello World\" & quote to stack \"Untitled 1\"" tell application "Revolution" to do script myScript If run this script from within Script Editor, I hear the beep and the message box contains "Hello World". -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 1 okt 2008, at 14:30, Dave wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I just tried the following: > > set myStackShortName to "SATest1" > set myScript to "send \"revSaveAsStandalone\" && quote & > myStackShortName & quote to stack \"revSaveAsStandalone\"" > tell application "Revolution" > do script myScript > end tell > > And it doesn't work! > > I've been trying loads of different syntax's but I can't find the > secret code! > > Here's an interesting one: > > In Stack Script of SATest1 I have the following handler: > > on Beeper theMessage > beep > answer theMessage > end Beeper > > Then from the AppleScript I do: > > set myQuote to (ASCII character 34) > > set myRRScript to "send beeper" & " & quote & " & myQuote & > "Message" & myQuote & " & quote " & " to stack " & myQuote & > "SATest1" & myQuote > > Which works and displays "Message", however if I change it to: > > set myRRScript to "send beeper" & " & quote & " & myQuote & "Hello > Message" & myQuote & " & quote " & " to stack " & myQuote & > "SATest1" & myQuote > > Then Beeper gets called (it beeps!) BUT the message is empty? > > What gives??? > > All the Best > Dave > From 3mcgrath at comcast.net Wed Oct 1 10:32:09 2008 From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:32:09 -0400 Subject: RunRev AppleScript Question In-Reply-To: References: <41B3A1A5-BF81-4A96-BF9C-26FE2D1D931B@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <82C7247C-CDDC-421D-B845-414690E157DE@comcast.net> Dave Try this: set myScript to "send \"foo Hello World\" to card 1 of stack \"Untitled 1\"" tell application "Revolution" to do script myScript it works here just fine and if you change the RR script to : on foo theString beep return theString end foo then it will return the string to AS HTHs Tom McGrath On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Dave wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I just tried the following: > > set myStackShortName to "SATest1" > set myScript to "send \"revSaveAsStandalone\" && quote & > myStackShortName & quote to stack \"revSaveAsStandalone\"" > tell application "Revolution" > do script myScript > end tell > > And it doesn't work! > > I've been trying loads of different syntax's but I can't find the > secret code! > > Here's an interesting one: > > In Stack Script of SATest1 I have the following handler: > > on Beeper theMessage > beep > answer theMessage > end Beeper > > Then from the AppleScript I do: > > set myQuote to (ASCII character 34) > > set myRRScript to "send beeper" & " & quote & " & myQuote & > "Message" & myQuote & " & quote " & " to stack " & myQuote & > "SATest1" & myQuote > > Which works and displays "Message", however if I change it to: > > set myRRScript to "send beeper" & " & quote & " & myQuote & "Hello > Message" & myQuote & " & quote " & " to stack " & myQuote & > "SATest1" & myQuote > > Then Beeper gets called (it beeps!) BUT the message is empty? > > What gives??? > > All the Best > Dave > > > On 1 Oct 2008, at 13:02, Mark Schonewille wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> set myScript to >> "send \"revSaveAsStandalone\" && quote & myStackShortName & quote >> to stack \"revSaveAsStandalone\"" >> tell application "Standalone" to do script myScript >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille >> >> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >> http://economy-x-talk.com >> http://www.salery.biz >> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ >> >> Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html >> for more info. >> >> On 1 okt 2008, at 13:41, Dave wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Given the Statement: >>> >>> send "revSaveAsStandalone" && quote & myStackShortName & quote to >>> stack "revSaveAsStandalone" >>> >>> What statement would I have to pass to the Revolution "do script" >>> AppleScript command to do the same thing? >>> >>> Thanks a lot >>> All the Best >>> Dave >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From 3mcgrath at comcast.net Wed Oct 1 10:41:14 2008 From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:41:14 -0400 Subject: RunRev AppleScript Question In-Reply-To: <82C7247C-CDDC-421D-B845-414690E157DE@comcast.net> References: <41B3A1A5-BF81-4A96-BF9C-26FE2D1D931B@economy-x-talk.com> <82C7247C-CDDC-421D-B845-414690E157DE@comcast.net> Message-ID: <224E6791-BD75-4883-BC44-576A7AEB5C68@comcast.net> I have found that if the code is at the card level then I have to include the card in AS. Also, the variable myStackShortName variable is actually being sent as the text myStackShortName and not the name that variable holds. If SATest1 is declared in RR then this will work: set myScript to "send \"revSaveAsStandalone myStackShortName\" to stack \"revSaveAsStandalone\"" BUT if it needs to be declared in AS then you should build the script in AS: set myScript to "send \"revSaveAsStandalone SATest1\" to stack \"revSaveAsStandalone\"" HTHs Tom McGrath On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Dave > > Try this: > > set myScript to "send \"foo Hello World\" to card 1 of stack > \"Untitled 1\"" > tell application "Revolution" to do script myScript > > it works here just fine and if you change the RR script to : > > on foo theString > beep > return theString > end foo > > then it will return the string to AS > > HTHs > > Tom McGrath > > > On Oct 1, 2008, at 8:30 AM, Dave wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> I just tried the following: >> >> set myStackShortName to "SATest1" >> set myScript to "send \"revSaveAsStandalone\" && quote & >> myStackShortName & quote to stack \"revSaveAsStandalone\"" >> tell application "Revolution" >> do script myScript >> end tell >> >> And it doesn't work! >> >> I've been trying loads of different syntax's but I can't find the >> secret code! >> >> Here's an interesting one: >> >> In Stack Script of SATest1 I have the following handler: >> >> on Beeper theMessage >> beep >> answer theMessage >> end Beeper >> >> Then from the AppleScript I do: >> >> set myQuote to (ASCII character 34) >> >> set myRRScript to "send beeper" & " & quote & " & myQuote & >> "Message" & myQuote & " & quote " & " to stack " & myQuote & >> "SATest1" & myQuote >> >> Which works and displays "Message", however if I change it to: >> >> set myRRScript to "send beeper" & " & quote & " & myQuote & "Hello >> Message" & myQuote & " & quote " & " to stack " & myQuote & >> "SATest1" & myQuote >> >> Then Beeper gets called (it beeps!) BUT the message is empty? >> >> What gives??? >> >> All the Best >> Dave >> >> >> On 1 Oct 2008, at 13:02, Mark Schonewille wrote: >> >>> Dave, >>> >>> set myScript to >>> "send \"revSaveAsStandalone\" && quote & myStackShortName & quote >>> to stack \"revSaveAsStandalone\"" >>> tell application "Standalone" to do script myScript >>> >>> -- >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Mark Schonewille >>> >>> Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering >>> http://economy-x-talk.com >>> http://www.salery.biz >>> Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ >>> >>> Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html >>> for more info. >>> >>> On 1 okt 2008, at 13:41, Dave wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Given the Statement: >>>> >>>> send "revSaveAsStandalone" && quote & myStackShortName & quote to >>>> stack "revSaveAsStandalone" >>>> >>>> What statement would I have to pass to the Revolution "do script" >>>> AppleScript command to do the same thing? >>>> >>>> Thanks a lot >>>> All the Best >>>> Dave >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From 3mcgrath at comcast.net Wed Oct 1 10:45:02 2008 From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:45:02 -0400 Subject: RunRev AppleScript Question In-Reply-To: <224E6791-BD75-4883-BC44-576A7AEB5C68@comcast.net> References: <41B3A1A5-BF81-4A96-BF9C-26FE2D1D931B@economy-x-talk.com> <82C7247C-CDDC-421D-B845-414690E157DE@comcast.net> <224E6791-BD75-4883-BC44-576A7AEB5C68@comcast.net> Message-ID: <6108035F-8379-4ED3-A6FD-555AF84B80EC@comcast.net> Sorry, I left out the to card 1 -- which is fine in case your scripts are at the stack level but if they are on the card then include the to card 1 of stack \"revSaveAsStandalone\" TM III On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:41 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > I have found that if the code is at the card level then I have to > include the card in AS. > > Also, the variable myStackShortName variable is actually being sent > as the text myStackShortName and not the name that variable holds. > > If SATest1 is declared in RR then this will work: > set myScript to "send \"revSaveAsStandalone myStackShortName\" to > stack \"revSaveAsStandalone\"" > > BUT if it needs to be declared in AS then you should build the > script in AS: > set myScript to "send \"revSaveAsStandalone SATest1\" to stack > \"revSaveAsStandalone\"" > > HTHs > > Tom McGrath From niggemann at uni-wh.de Wed Oct 1 10:49:14 2008 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 07:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RunRev AppleScript Question In-Reply-To: <82C7247C-CDDC-421D-B845-414690E157DE@comcast.net> References: <41B3A1A5-BF81-4A96-BF9C-26FE2D1D931B@economy-x-talk.com> <82C7247C-CDDC-421D-B845-414690E157DE@comcast.net> Message-ID: <19762162.post@talk.nabble.com> Hi Dave, building on Marks script a version that is not hard coded and with return as suggested by Tom in applescript: I send it to the current card since it seems that when you just send it to the stack it doesnt go further down the message path whereas if you send it to a card it goes up the message path, although the documentation says an apple event is sent to the current card. ---------------- set tHello to "Hello World" set tStackName to "Untitled 1" set myScript to "send \"foo\" && quote & \"" & tHello & "\" & quote to current card of stack \"" & tStackName & "\"" tell application "Revolution" to do script myScript set x to the result ---- on the Revolution side: ---------- on foo theString beep put theString return "OK" end foo --------- still dizzy form all the quotes and "" and \" :-) regards Bernd -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/RunRev-AppleScript-Question-tp19758704p19762162.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Oct 1 11:11:13 2008 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:11:13 -0300 Subject: Just pondering - Rev CGI & iPhone In-Reply-To: <391AA42D-4933-415A-90A6-9C4CE12BAFC2@ezpzapps.com> References: <391AA42D-4933-415A-90A6-9C4CE12BAFC2@ezpzapps.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10810010811k2f3965ddv794dccc7c9772342@mail.gmail.com> Ciao Sims, I've built some pretty sophisticated cgis with revolution and I've been doing little iPhone stuff. Be aware that you can't sell web apps in the app store. The app store is for native applications. Ops, I just re read your email, I understood it wrong. Yes you can do some pretty nice stuff for iPhone web apps, check the iUI library. Cheers andre On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Jim Sims wrote: > After fiddling with some Rev CGI stuff here for a couple > of weeks, I'm wondering how far this might take someone > towards a sophisticated web app for the iPhone. Just think'in, > mind you. > > They wouldn't be sold via the Apple App store, but that just might > have some upside, especially when considering the restrictions > Apple can throw at developers ;-) > > I wonder what cool Rev CGI apps already exist out there? > > sims > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From mikeythek at gmail.com Wed Oct 1 12:05:36 2008 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:05:36 -0400 Subject: RR in Wine Message-ID: <9b408d8e0810010905j4b18d336v6696e6c0c70153b9@mail.gmail.com> My that's-no-laptop-it's-a-spacestation has gone to the next world. I'm thinking of going HARD into the Linux wall. I see that there are RR issues in Linux. How well does RR run in Wine? From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Oct 1 12:06:23 2008 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 09:06:23 -0700 Subject: Re-6: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <71537788000.20081001090623@ahsoftware.net> Franz- Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 1:45:33 AM, you wrote: > the http://animabit.de/runrev/test.exe is a 2.9 standalone which > loads the runrev stack with the same name in the same dir. If > someone wants to download both files in a dir and test it. > The Problem are the menuitems in the background group in a > standalone. If I delete the menuitems and just put a button in the > background group it works in the standalone. Here's your problem: in your background menu group you have defined the control-V keyboard sequence, so you're trapping it from the keyboard in your Bearbeiten button but you haven't put in any code to process it. You can paste into the fields with control-shift-insert, so the paste mechanism is working fine in the standalone. You can change the keyboard equivalent for the paste operation in your menu, or you can put some paste code in the menu handler. on menuPick pChoice answer "I got it" end menuPick Now... here's where I think this is still a bug... if you disable the Bearbeiten button then you obviously can't select it with the mouse. But it *still traps the control-V keyboard sequence*. I think disabling the button should disable the keyboard traps as well. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From tedl at voyager.net Wed Oct 1 12:22:00 2008 From: tedl at voyager.net (Ted) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 12:22:00 -0400 Subject: Rev Standalone and Encryption Message-ID: <005401c923e1$fc7e01e0$fc7cca42@egl> Hello, I have two questions about the Rev Standalone Builder "Encrypt with Password" feature. 1. How does the password come into play? After activating this feature, the completed standalone doesn't ask for a password. What is the purpose of the password, and is there any reason to keep a record of it? 2. Does the encryption slow down the application at all--or does it totally decrypt on opening? Thanks, Ted From bvlahos at mac.com Wed Oct 1 12:22:41 2008 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:22:41 -0700 Subject: Rev Standalone and Encryption In-Reply-To: <20020506032205.14374145A1B@beach.silcom.com> References: <20020506032205.14374145A1B@beach.silcom.com> Message-ID: <18686756001977634209570655331282272071-Webmail2@me.com> Ted The password doesn't impact the running of the program but it does prevent anyone from seeing your code. Your source code is included in the standalone so it is visible if someone wants to look at it. The only reason to keep a record of the password is if you ever wanted to see the code and lost your source file. Bill Vlahos On Wednesday, October 01, 2008, at 09:22AM, "Ted" wrote: >Hello, > >I have two questions about the Rev Standalone Builder "Encrypt with Password" >feature. > >1. How does the password come into play? After activating this feature, the >completed standalone doesn't ask for a password. What is the purpose of the >password, and is there any reason to keep a record of it? > >2. Does the encryption slow down the application at all--or does it totally >decrypt on opening? > > >Thanks, > >Ted > > >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Oct 1 12:45:36 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:45:36 +0200 Subject: Rev Standalone and Encryption In-Reply-To: <005401c923e1$fc7e01e0$fc7cca42@egl> References: <005401c923e1$fc7e01e0$fc7cca42@egl> Message-ID: Hi Ted, When you set a password, all your scripts are encrypted. When a stack opens, either in Revolution or in a standalone, the scripts are decrypted. However, there is no way to see the scripts in the open stack and when you save the stack to disk all scripts are encrypted again. Surely, you will want to remember the passwords used for your stacks, if you want to change the scripts. The encryption doesn't slow down the execution of scripts at all. They are decrypted when the stack opens --yet inaccessible to the user-- and run without delay once the stack is open. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 1 okt 2008, at 18:22, Ted wrote: > Hello, > > I have two questions about the Rev Standalone Builder "Encrypt with > Password" > feature. > > 1. How does the password come into play? After activating this > feature, the > completed standalone doesn't ask for a password. What is the purpose > of the > password, and is there any reason to keep a record of it? > > 2. Does the encryption slow down the application at all--or does it > totally > decrypt on opening? > > > Thanks, > > Ted > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Oct 1 12:47:52 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:47:52 +0200 Subject: Rev Standalone and Encryption In-Reply-To: <18686756001977634209570655331282272071-Webmail2@me.com> References: <20020506032205.14374145A1B@beach.silcom.com> <18686756001977634209570655331282272071-Webmail2@me.com> Message-ID: <005768D2-0EBC-4A06-B640-3B17340E1734@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Bill, I'm not exactly sure what you meant to write, but when a stack has a password set, the scripts are not visible in the standalone. You can't open the standalone in a text editor and see the scripts. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 1 okt 2008, at 18:22, Bill Vlahos wrote: > Ted > > The password doesn't impact the running of the program but it does > prevent anyone from seeing your code. Your source code is included > in the standalone so it is visible if someone wants to look at it. > > The only reason to keep a record of the password is if you ever > wanted to see the code and lost your source file. > > Bill Vlahos From runrev at animabit.de Wed Oct 1 12:52:51 2008 From: runrev at animabit.de (runrev at animabit.de) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 16:52:51 +0000 Subject: Re-8: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) Message-ID: Hello thanks for the good info, Mark! I have a menuPick handler in the script of the main stack to handle all menus. After opening the group in the menueditor I saw what you mean. Where in the group menu does runrev store this information about shortcuts? Regards, Franz Original Message processed by David InfoCenter Subject: Re: Re-6: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) (01-Okt-2008 18:06) From: Mark Wieder To: boehmisch at animabit.de Franz- Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 1:45:33 AM, you wrote: > the http://animabit.de/runrev/test.exe is a 2.9 standalone which > loads the runrev stack with the same name in the same dir. If > someone wants to download both files in a dir and test it. > The Problem are the menuitems in the background group in a > standalone. If I delete the menuitems and just put a button in the > background group it works in the standalone. Here's your problem: in your background menu group you have defined the control-V keyboard sequence, so you're trapping it from the keyboard in your Bearbeiten button but you haven't put in any code to process it. You can paste into the fields with control-shift-insert, so the paste mechanism is working fine in the standalone. You can change the keyboard equivalent for the paste operation in your menu, or you can put some paste code in the menu handler. on menuPick pChoice answer "I got it" end menuPick Now... here's where I think this is still a bug... if you disable the Bearbeiten button then you obviously can't select it with the mouse. But it *still traps the control-V keyboard sequence*. I think disabling the button should disable the keyboard traps as well. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From adrian at clubtype.co.uk Wed Oct 1 13:28:07 2008 From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 18:28:07 +0100 Subject: OT Font Question In-Reply-To: <57D9265A-3679-4AA8-ACA5-5254E7B6EB44@cruzio.com> References: <990F4AFC-3A14-4644-8A9F-B53408680C4E@byu.edu> <57D9265A-3679-4AA8-ACA5-5254E7B6EB44@cruzio.com> Message-ID: We offer a digraphs font exactly as you describe. The original typefaces were researched and developed for use in education to teach children and adults (this version)... http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/s460sample.html Sassoon? Jolly Phonics Digraph fonts will enable you to write easy-to- use pronunciation guides for children or adults. This product is part of the larger Sassoon? Project... http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/sasslist_com.html Hope that helps? Adrian ______________________ Club Type http://www.clubtype.co.uk On 30 Sep 2008, at 05:31, Mark Swindell wrote: > Devin, > > Thanks for the link. I'm actually after something that I think may > not exist. It would be similar in function to an IPA font, but with > regular English character pairs whose kerning would be reduced so > that they would represent a single visual unit, mirroring how they > represent sound. "Good" would be "G oo d" and "shallow" would be > "sh a ll ow." It would require tweaking the kerning between digraph > letter pairs and dipthongs to tighten them up, while keeping regular > spacing between these double letters, single letters, and words. > > I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to create, but in teaching I > find that some children have a difficult time seeing that "sh" for > example, is not "s h" but rather its own phonetic unit. (A > parallel: until fairly recently, "ch" was the fourth letter of the > Spanish alphabet, though it was never represented with tighter > kerning... I think the Real Academia might have done away with that > one, as well as the "ll", at least for purposes of alphabetizing. > (Wikpedia: In 1994, it ruled that the Spanish consonants CH (ch?) > and LL (elle) would hence be alphabetized under C and under L, > respectively, and not as separate, discrete letters, as in the past.) > > The idea was to be able to present text to kids written with these > combinations emphasized while retaining a somewhat natural look. > > Mark, > > On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > >> >> On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: >> >>> Does anyone here know if there exists a font that combines the >>> letters >>> that make phonemes, be they digraphs, dipthongs, or just multiple >>> letters (oo, ee, ea)? >>> >>> For example, the word "cough" would have three phonemic chunks: c >>> - ou >>> - gh. >>> >>> But the phonetic representations of the short o phoneme (ou) and >>> the / >>> f/ (gh) would be squished up against each other so they would be >>> recognized as a chunk, not as separate letters? Does this make >>> sense? >> >> Not exactly sure what you are after. Would an IPA font do what you >> wanted? You can get some very good ones from sil.org: >> >> http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software_catalog.asp?by=cat&name=Font >> >> HTH >> >> Devin >> >> Devin Asay >> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center >> Brigham Young University >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Oct 1 13:36:05 2008 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 19:36:05 +0200 Subject: Rev Standalone and Encryption In-Reply-To: References: <005401c923e1$fc7e01e0$fc7cca42@egl> Message-ID: Bonsoir Ted, Bill et Mark, Just an add-up to this thread with an email I posted to the Improve list less than a week ago: > I work every day with protected stacks and here is the way I make > my life easy with them: > > I have a text file with a list of passwords and stack names in it. > At every stack (or substack) preOpenStack I have a routine in a > library that checks if this file exists, parse it and set the > passkey accordingly. > In distribution, this file of course is not included and, in > addition, the routine is skipped when the environment is not 'Dev' > then all stacks stay protected. > But in my 'Dev' environment, I am never prompted to enter any PW. Le 1 oct. 08 ? 18:45, Mark Schonewille a ?crit : > When you set a password, all your scripts are encrypted. When a > stack opens, either in Revolution or in a standalone, the scripts > are decrypted. However, there is no way to see the scripts in the > open stack and when you save the stack to disk all scripts are > encrypted again. Surely, you will want to remember the passwords > used for your stacks, if you want to change the scripts. > > The encryption doesn't slow down the execution of scripts at all. > They are decrypted when the stack opens --yet inaccessible to the > user-- and run without delay once the stack is open. BTW, I confirm what Mark said: SSL encryption/decryption is really amazingly fast :-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Wed Oct 1 13:52:08 2008 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 10:52:08 -0700 Subject: Re-8: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <561544133312.20081001105208@ahsoftware.net> Franz- Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 9:52:51 AM, you wrote: > Where in the group menu does runrev store this information about shortcuts? Now *that's* a good question. Since your original stack works in the IDE but not a standalone, I'd guess that the process of building the standalone binds the keyboard equivalents, but I don't have a clue as to when or where this happens. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From dan at clearvisiontech.com Wed Oct 1 17:20:58 2008 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:20:58 -0700 Subject: Is this a memory issue? In-Reply-To: <20081001170009.CBE0448BC31@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Greetings! I have an standalone application that I am importing data into. The data is being imported into an array. The data is just text - formatted as XML. Each record being imported is pretty small - about 20 lines containing [on average] about 365 characters. The application processes the data [creating a new key in the array] VERY fast until it hits about the 415th record. Then, it begins to slow down. With each new record it gets slower and slower. It will eventually finish without error. This is happening on Windows only. On a Mac, it whizzes through all the records with no problem. Is this memory? Is there something that I can do? Anyone got any suggestions? Thank you in advance! -Dan From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Oct 1 17:28:00 2008 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:28:00 -0700 Subject: Is this a memory issue? Message-ID: <48E3EB60.6010707@fourthworld.com> Dan Friedman wrote: > I have an standalone application that I am importing data into. The data is > being imported into an array. The data is just text - formatted as XML. > Each record being imported is pretty small - about 20 lines containing [on > average] about 365 characters. > > The application processes the data [creating a new key in the array] VERY > fast until it hits about the 415th record. Then, it begins to slow down. > With each new record it gets slower and slower. It will eventually finish > without error. > > This is happening on Windows only. On a Mac, it whizzes through all the > records with no problem. > > Is this memory? Is there something that I can do? Anyone got any > suggestions? Performance degradation so noticeable isn't likely to be caused by a shortage of memory, esp. with such small data sets. You could test it by rebooting, opening your System Monitor to show available RAM, run the routine a few times and see if memory stays allocated beyond what would seem normal. My hunch is that there's something about the loop that's causing the slowdown, perhaps a "repeat with i=1 to the number of lines" or something like that which doesn't scale well. Can you post the portion of your code that seems to be affected? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Wed Oct 1 17:58:19 2008 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 23:58:19 +0200 Subject: Painting on an image in a group? Message-ID: <48E3F27B.9090307@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Looking through my mails after just having returned from a few days "time-out" for recreation I notice this "Painting on an image in a group?"-discussion: On Mon Sep 29, 2008, Scott Rossi scott at tactilemedia.com wrote: > Recently, David Bovill wrote: > > > I am really looking for a solution for painting an > > image that is within a group. > > There doesn't appear to be a direct solution to this problem, so I made a > small exercise out of it and came up with a workaround called Proxy Paint. > Execute the following in your Rev message box: > > go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/proxypaint.rev" > > This solution uses a separate image object outside the group to capture > paint data, and then transfer it to the grouped image. Maybe > something like > this can help. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design Some time ago we had a discussion on the Metacard list concerning related problems of painting and drawing on images inside a group. The solution found was to temporarily move the image outside the group, apply the changes to the image, and then move the image back into the group. The following script demonstrates the implementation of this principle (button "distortions: choose shape" contains the script that applies changes to the image): on mouseUp set the imagedata of img x to the imagedata of img x set the relayergroupedcontrols to true put the layer of img x into tlayer set the layer of img x to top send "mouseup" to btn "distortions: choose shape" set the layer of img x to tlayer set the relayergroupedcontrols to false end mouseUp So an alternative approach to Scott's proposal of creating and using a second image would be just to move the image outside the group temporarily and then put it back into the group after applying the changes. Regards, Wilhelm Sanke From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Oct 1 18:00:37 2008 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 00:00:37 +0200 Subject: message box history - confused In-Reply-To: References: <512EA27F-1A48-4DF7-8DA7-ED9A821CB072@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <9F180876-0192-4367-B8CD-7858BED52E6D@sosmartsoftware.com> Bonsoir Bernard, Of course, I'm not a star: I'm just blinking in the dark when I can. MB messages are saved when Rev quits without problem: in case of crash, they are not saved. So, I assume that in you case, it will not help. Probably, you could use 4W_UmbrellaMan.rev from Richard Gaskin (http://www.fourthworld.com/products/devolution/index.html) in order to modify it to write a log on disk that will allow you to get relevant results. Le 30 sept. 08 ? 17:44, Bernard Devlin a ?crit : > Thank you, Eric. You're a star. I doubt I'll ever know as much as > you do, > because you're already so far ahead :-) > So, I'm guessing that this revPreferences stack is updated every > returnInField in the MB. I'll have to go and have a look at that. > > Bernard > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:55 PM, Eric Chatonet < > eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote: > >> Bonjour Bernard, >> >> All this is normal :-) >> All messages are stored in the cREVSingleLineHistory of stack >> "revPreferences" and there is only one stack "revPreferences" for >> consistency when working with different Rev versions. >> >> Le 30 sept. 08 ? 13:57, Bernard Devlin a ?crit : >> >> But this new behaviour (well, new to me) looks like the MB >> history is >>> being >>> shared between both 2.9 and 3.0. If I had the standard >>> installation, >>> where >>> someone had upgraded to Rev 3.0 from 2.9 (using check for >>> updates), I >>> might >>> understand that Rev was saving the MB history. But since I'm >>> running two >>> independent installations of Rev, I'm confused by the MB history >>> being >>> shared. >>> >>> Is this normal? And if so, how is it that Rev is sharing this >>> history? >>> I've checked for hidden (dot) files in my Linux user directory, >>> and there >>> are none there that seem to be associated with this. >>> >> >> Best regards from Paris, >> Eric Chatonet. Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From mdswindell at cruzio.com Wed Oct 1 18:24:07 2008 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 15:24:07 -0700 Subject: OT Font Question In-Reply-To: References: <990F4AFC-3A14-4644-8A9F-B53408680C4E@byu.edu> <57D9265A-3679-4AA8-ACA5-5254E7B6EB44@cruzio.com> Message-ID: <4D89998F-987B-49AF-B414-0A2160BD6F3A@cruzio.com> Never mind that last. I see the list and examples at the bottom of the page. It would be nice if the jpg were of higher resolution so I could see them more clearly. Mark On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Adrian Williams wrote: > We offer a digraphs font exactly as you describe. > The original typefaces were researched and developed > for use in education to teach children and adults (this version)... > http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/s460sample.html > > Sassoon? Jolly Phonics Digraph fonts will enable you to write easy- > to-use pronunciation guides for children or adults. > > This product is part of the larger Sassoon? Project... > http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/sasslist_com.html > > Hope that helps? > Adrian > ______________________ > Club Type > http://www.clubtype.co.uk > > > > On 30 Sep 2008, at 05:31, Mark Swindell wrote: > >> Devin, >> >> Thanks for the link. I'm actually after something that I think may >> not exist. It would be similar in function to an IPA font, but >> with regular English character pairs whose kerning would be reduced >> so that they would represent a single visual unit, mirroring how >> they represent sound. "Good" would be "G oo d" and "shallow" would >> be "sh a ll ow." It would require tweaking the kerning between >> digraph letter pairs and dipthongs to tighten them up, while >> keeping regular spacing between these double letters, single >> letters, and words. >> >> I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to create, but in teaching I >> find that some children have a difficult time seeing that "sh" for >> example, is not "s h" but rather its own phonetic unit. (A >> parallel: until fairly recently, "ch" was the fourth letter of the >> Spanish alphabet, though it was never represented with tighter >> kerning... I think the Real Academia might have done away with that >> one, as well as the "ll", at least for purposes of alphabetizing. >> (Wikpedia: In 1994, it ruled that the Spanish consonants CH (ch?) >> and LL (elle) would hence be alphabetized under C and under L, >> respectively, and not as separate, discrete letters, as in the past.) >> >> The idea was to be able to present text to kids written with these >> combinations emphasized while retaining a somewhat natural look. >> >> Mark, >> >> On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Devin Asay wrote: >> >>> >>> On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone here know if there exists a font that combines the >>>> letters >>>> that make phonemes, be they digraphs, dipthongs, or just multiple >>>> letters (oo, ee, ea)? >>>> >>>> For example, the word "cough" would have three phonemic chunks: c >>>> - ou >>>> - gh. >>>> >>>> But the phonetic representations of the short o phoneme (ou) and >>>> the / >>>> f/ (gh) would be squished up against each other so they would be >>>> recognized as a chunk, not as separate letters? Does this make >>>> sense? >>> >>> Not exactly sure what you are after. Would an IPA font do what you >>> wanted? You can get some very good ones from sil.org: >>> >>> http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software_catalog.asp?by=cat&name=Font >>> >>> HTH >>> >>> Devin >>> >>> Devin Asay >>> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center >>> Brigham Young University >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Thu Oct 2 00:51:33 2008 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 21:51:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0810010905j4b18d336v6696e6c0c70153b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e0810010905j4b18d336v6696e6c0c70153b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19773322.post@talk.nabble.com> The last time I tried, a year or so ago, it wouldn't install on Wine. It may have got better since. However, 3.0 on Linux is a great improvement over 2.9, and a huge one over 2.6.1 on Linux, and I would not worry about it, just get the Linux version. The big UI deal is that multiple desktops now work as they are supposed to and file dialogues are native and fonts work properly. Printing cards has worked properly since 2.9. Sqlite seems to work fine. I have not tried the various browser functionalities yet but assume they were properly tested before leaving the factory. The previous big issue was with printing - not cards, but fields, with RevPrintField and with Print Field from the file menu. Not sure whether these are still an issue. They are with one Debian installation, but whether they are specific to it, needs confirmation. There is an issue about plugins. You can't get GLX2 or Quartam for Linux. But, you have the new editor which is a great improvement over the previous one. I used to use Geany as an editor, which may no longer be necessary. Would you get either one to work properly with Rev running under Wine? Wouldn't bet on it. Generally for manipulating text in fields, either to print or generate reports, there's a lot to be said for Awk. Its fast, terse, available for all platforms, comes as standard with all Linux distributions, and you print fields from the shell by piping the output to kprinter. There may be an issue with fonts displaying properly. One, you have to make sure you're using fonts which are installed on the configuration being compiled for. Two, even if it does, you have to make sure they display properly. This is with other Linux distributions as well as with compiling it for Windows. It should not be too much of a wall, or too 'HARD', Linux! Thoughts: Whatever anyone tells you about Ubuntu, Debian is the way to go with Linux. Hint: find out how you move from Gutsy Gibbon to Hardy Heron, and then compare it to moving from Etch to Lenny. And whatever anyone tells you about Gnome and HIGs, Fluxbox as a window manager/desktop environment is the kind of thing you are going to want in the end. A grown man can only use for so long a plane designed primarily with the aim of preventing a ten year old from hurting himself with it. After a while he feels a powerful urge to use something designed to smooth timber and be kept away from ten year olds. If you only buy one book about Linux, get Scott Graneman's Linux Phrasebook. If buying two, get Carla Schroders Cookbook also. Good luck. Mikey-3 wrote: > > My that's-no-laptop-it's-a-spacestation has gone to the next world. > > I'm thinking of going HARD into the Linux wall. I see that there are > RR issues in Linux. > > How well does RR run in Wine? > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/RR-in-Wine-tp19763770p19773322.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From runrev at animabit.de Thu Oct 2 03:27:02 2008 From: runrev at animabit.de (runrev at animabit.de) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:27:02 +0000 Subject: menus and shortcuts Message-ID: Hello Mark, I run most of my .rev apps from a precompiled universal runrev .exe with the same name => the info is in the stack object, not in the standalone. If you download http://animabit.de/runrev/test.exe and put it into /anirun.exe and put a stack in the same folder into /anirun.rev than it starts, and if you put all the dlls and Externals of a standalone with all features in the same folder there than all works. => The info of the Shortcuts is in the objects in the stack and just interpreted different in IDE versus standalone. The info seems to be stored only in the text of the menu button and if the standalone finds a shortcut notice there like (&Paste/V but no handler for it then the event stops. Because a menu is normally a background on top of the event hierarchy that means blocking of this shortcut. put the text of button "Bearbeiten" (Cu&t/X (&Copy/C (&Paste/V (Clea&r - (Preferences Learned a lot of your comments Mark! Regards, Franz Original Message processed by David InfoCenter Subject: Re: Re-8: I cannot paste in any field in an app (consisting of up to 7 stacks) (01-Okt-2008 19:52) From: Mark Wieder To: boehmisch at animabit.de Franz- Wednesday, October 1, 2008, 9:52:51 AM, you wrote: > Where in the group menu does runrev store this information about shortcuts? Now *that's* a good question. Since your original stack works in the IDE but not a standalone, I'd guess that the process of building the standalone binds the keyboard equivalents, but I don't have a clue as to when or where this happens. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Oct 2 03:39:49 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:39:49 +0200 Subject: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE Message-ID: Hello all, I am still struggeling with my IDE (Win XP SP3, Rev 2.9 and 3.0), which got so slow, since some weeks (I can't fix the exact event from when on) I described before, that all IDE menus have a reaction time of about 3sec on any mouseclick. The same slow reaction is almost on any Rev and GLX2 window, so e.g opening and closing any property window, closing the GLX2 editor, changing the tools in the tools pallet, etc. It is very annoying waiting all day long, as if I would have a 286x below the hood. The only normal reaction have mouseclicks in my own open stacks, they behave completely normal and speedy. I tried a new reinstall, I tried to take my complete project from my server to my local disc, without any effect. I think because most of you work on Mac, it must be a windows problem and perhaps even a SP3 problem. Any other, beside Franz and Horst how are experience this behaviour now? I filed it already in the QCC. Or do I see white mice? Thanks for any ideas Tiemo From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 03:42:59 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:42:59 +0100 Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0810010905j4b18d336v6696e6c0c70153b9@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e0810010905j4b18d336v6696e6c0c70153b9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: In my experience with the Windows version of Rev 3.0 on Wine 1.0 on Fedora 8, Rev will install fine, but it is unusable. All of the graphics come up black. I didn't waste more than a minute on it after I saw that. I didn't even bother to report it as a bug. I was going to just go through the various bugs I've found with Rev 3.0 on Fedora in the past two weeks, but it is easier if you just follow this link: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&version=3.0.0GM3&op_sys=Linux&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailreporter2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=2008-09-25&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= Hope that transfers ok, if not then search RQCC for Linux and you'll see the bugs. I've decided to just give up on it until there is actually a public statement that Rev on Linux has received the same amount of quality testing as it has on Windows and OS X. If you are going to try it on Linux, then to ease your pain I would suggest Ubuntu - when I tried on SuSe last week, the unlock-code screen came up in Chinese, when all other apps were in English. Following the same download link on the runrev site last week seemed to download different versions of Rev, so maybe they've fixed that. There may have been some testing on Ubuntu before Rev 3.0 was released. Peter seems to be quite content with that (god knows, he's suffered long enough with Rev problems on Linux in the past few years). I haven't been able to try it on Ubuntu as I couldn't get that to install in a VM. Bernard On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:05 PM, Mikey wrote: > My that's-no-laptop-it's-a-spacestation has gone to the next world. > > I'm thinking of going HARD into the Linux wall. I see that there are > RR issues in Linux. > > How well does RR run in Wine? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 03:46:06 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:46:06 +0100 Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: <19773322.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <9b408d8e0810010905j4b18d336v6696e6c0c70153b9@mail.gmail.com> <19773322.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: Peter, can you just explain this. In my experience on Fedora the multiple desktops don't work properly. I find that portions of Rev (message box, toolbar, etc) will appear on other desktops, and not on the desktop I placed them on. I didn't even expect this to work, so didn't log it as a bug. It sounds like you are having a different experience. I'd be grateful if you'd confirm that. Bernard On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 5:51 AM, Peter Alcibiades < palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > The big UI deal is that multiple desktops now work as they are supposed to > > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 03:51:24 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:51:24 +0100 Subject: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tiemo, sorry to hear this is persisting. I can't remember if it was you or the other German guy who I suggested this to... Have you tried setting the input language to English rather than German and re-installing to see if that has any effect? It is a long shot - after all, people like Klaus and Malte are both German (I think), so it can't be affecting everyone with a German installation. Also since it is not affecting your own stacks, have you tried uninstalling all the plugins? I'm absolutely no expert with plugins, but after trying to run one of my own stacks as a plugin, I realized how they can be closely involved with the message path and certain "rev..." message handlers that they register for. Maybe some plugin is responding to a "rev..." message and doing something that is slowing things down. Bernard On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > Hello all, > > I am still struggeling with my IDE (Win XP SP3, Rev 2.9 and 3.0), which got > so slow, since some weeks (I can't fix the exact event from when on) I > described before, that all IDE menus have a reaction time of about 3sec on > any mouseclick. The same slow reaction is almost on any Rev and GLX2 > window, > so e.g opening and closing any property window, closing the GLX2 editor, > changing the tools in the tools pallet, etc. It is very annoying waiting > all > day long, as if I would have a 286x below the hood. > > The only normal reaction have mouseclicks in my own open stacks, they > behave > completely normal and speedy. I tried a new reinstall, I tried to take my > complete project from my server to my local disc, without any effect. > > I think because most of you work on Mac, it must be a windows problem and > perhaps even a SP3 problem. Any other, beside Franz and Horst how are > experience this behaviour now? I filed it already in the QCC. Or do I see > white mice? > > Thanks for any ideas > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From revolution at derbrill.de Thu Oct 2 04:04:41 2008 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:04:41 +0200 Subject: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE In-Reply-To: <20070327170009.BD909488F03@mail.runrev.com> References: <20070327170009.BD909488F03@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <9BFBD44A-4E10-49A8-8F2D-A39EB1D930D1@derbrill.de> Tiemo, it might be worth a try to delete revPreferences.rev (while rev is closed) In the messagebox type: put the filename of stack "revPreferences" to get the full path. Now close rev to delete that file and restart. But maybe you tried that already? All the best, Malte From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 04:05:22 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:05:22 +0100 Subject: message box history - confused In-Reply-To: <9F180876-0192-4367-B8CD-7858BED52E6D@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <512EA27F-1A48-4DF7-8DA7-ED9A821CB072@sosmartsoftware.com> <9F180876-0192-4367-B8CD-7858BED52E6D@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: Bonjour Eric Well, I think it all depends on perspective - the sun probably doesn't see itself as a star either, from its perspective it's just a big planet surrounded by some less tropical planets. But I apologize if my praise was embarrassing, and I will try to prevent myself from causing you embarrassment in future (although of course I still welcome any help you can provide!) I am interested in what you say that the message history should not be saved if Rev crashes. Since they are saved, that gives me something to investigate. I had implemented my own backscript to log all the standard Rev messages and log them, but it didn't reveal anything untoward preceding a crash. Then I found out about Rev's own built-in (but undocumented) verboseLog.txt, which logs far more things (certainly including the setting of revGeneral custom properties, and apparently also function calls). The log produced this way is far more verbose than mine (they are even logging things like 'idle' messages). However, after analyzing that log following two crashes yesterday, it also revealed nothing (the last few statements in it were just 'mouseMove' and 'mouseLeave'). Since Jacques informs us that this is also the logging mechanism used in the Windows crash logs, and they were unhelpful to Runrev in diagnosing my crashes on Vista, it looks to me that unless we as users can identify some observable sequence of actions on our part there is currently no tool that aids in debugging crashes. Bernard On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Eric Chatonet < eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote: > Bonsoir Bernard, > > Of course, I'm not a star: I'm just blinking in the dark when I can. > MB messages are saved when Rev quits without problem: in case of crash, > they are not saved. > So, I assume that in you case, it will not help. > > Probably, you could use 4W_UmbrellaMan.rev from Richard Gaskin ( > http://www.fourthworld.com/products/devolution/index.html) in order to > modify it to write a log on disk that will allow you to get relevant > results. > Best regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet. > From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Oct 2 04:12:34 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:12:34 +0200 Subject: AW: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Bernard, I tried changing the input language to eng, without effect. I didn't tried yet a reinstall under English environment. I deinstalled every plugin, even GLX2 without effect. Perhaps Malte and Klaus are not working on Win XP SP3 and that?s the clue... Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bernard Devlin > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Oktober 2008 09:51 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE > > Tiemo, sorry to hear this is persisting. I can't remember if it was you > or > the other German guy who I suggested this to... Have you tried setting the > input language to English rather than German and re-installing to see if > that has any effect? It is a long shot - after all, people like Klaus and > Malte are both German (I think), so it can't be affecting everyone with a > German installation. > Also since it is not affecting your own stacks, have you tried > uninstalling > all the plugins? I'm absolutely no expert with plugins, but after trying > to > run one of my own stacks as a plugin, I realized how they can be closely > involved with the message path and certain "rev..." message handlers that > they register for. Maybe some plugin is responding to a "rev..." message > and doing something that is slowing things down. > > Bernard > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB > wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I am still struggeling with my IDE (Win XP SP3, Rev 2.9 and 3.0), which > got > > so slow, since some weeks (I can't fix the exact event from when on) I > > described before, that all IDE menus have a reaction time of about 3sec > on > > any mouseclick. The same slow reaction is almost on any Rev and GLX2 > > window, > > so e.g opening and closing any property window, closing the GLX2 editor, > > changing the tools in the tools pallet, etc. It is very annoying waiting > > all > > day long, as if I would have a 286x below the hood. > > > > The only normal reaction have mouseclicks in my own open stacks, they > > behave > > completely normal and speedy. I tried a new reinstall, I tried to take > my > > complete project from my server to my local disc, without any effect. > > > > I think because most of you work on Mac, it must be a windows problem > and > > perhaps even a SP3 problem. Any other, beside Franz and Horst how are > > experience this behaviour now? I filed it already in the QCC. Or do I > see > > white mice? > > > > Thanks for any ideas > > > > Tiemo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From adrian at clubtype.co.uk Thu Oct 2 04:16:19 2008 From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:16:19 +0100 Subject: OT Font Question In-Reply-To: <4D89998F-987B-49AF-B414-0A2160BD6F3A@cruzio.com> References: <990F4AFC-3A14-4644-8A9F-B53408680C4E@byu.edu> <57D9265A-3679-4AA8-ACA5-5254E7B6EB44@cruzio.com> <4D89998F-987B-49AF-B414-0A2160BD6F3A@cruzio.com> Message-ID: Mark, I have mailed you some better examples off-list. Adrian On 1 Oct 2008, at 23:24, Mark Swindell wrote: > Never mind that last. I see the list and examples at the bottom of > the page. It would be nice if the jpg were of higher resolution so > I could see them more clearly. > > Mark > > On Oct 1, 2008, at 10:28 AM, Adrian Williams wrote: > >> We offer a digraphs font exactly as you describe. >> The original typefaces were researched and developed >> for use in education to teach children and adults (this version)... >> http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/s460sample.html >> >> Sassoon? Jolly Phonics Digraph fonts will enable you to write easy- >> to-use pronunciation guides for children or adults. >> >> This product is part of the larger Sassoon? Project... >> http://www.clubtype.co.uk/fonts/sas/sasslist_com.html >> >> Hope that helps? >> Adrian >> ______________________ >> Club Type >> http://www.clubtype.co.uk >> >> >> >> On 30 Sep 2008, at 05:31, Mark Swindell wrote: >> >>> Devin, >>> >>> Thanks for the link. I'm actually after something that I think >>> may not exist. It would be similar in function to an IPA font, >>> but with regular English character pairs whose kerning would be >>> reduced so that they would represent a single visual unit, >>> mirroring how they represent sound. "Good" would be "G oo d" and >>> "shallow" would be "sh a ll ow." It would require tweaking the >>> kerning between digraph letter pairs and dipthongs to tighten them >>> up, while keeping regular spacing between these double letters, >>> single letters, and words. >>> >>> I'm not sure it's worth the trouble to create, but in teaching I >>> find that some children have a difficult time seeing that "sh" for >>> example, is not "s h" but rather its own phonetic unit. (A >>> parallel: until fairly recently, "ch" was the fourth letter of the >>> Spanish alphabet, though it was never represented with tighter >>> kerning... I think the Real Academia might have done away with >>> that one, as well as the "ll", at least for purposes of >>> alphabetizing. (Wikpedia: In 1994, it ruled that the Spanish >>> consonants CH (ch?) and LL (elle) would hence be alphabetized >>> under C and under L, respectively, and not as separate, discrete >>> letters, as in the past.) >>> >>> The idea was to be able to present text to kids written with these >>> combinations emphasized while retaining a somewhat natural look. >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:28 PM, Devin Asay wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Sep 29, 2008, at 12:34 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: >>>> >>>>> Does anyone here know if there exists a font that combines the >>>>> letters >>>>> that make phonemes, be they digraphs, dipthongs, or just multiple >>>>> letters (oo, ee, ea)? >>>>> >>>>> For example, the word "cough" would have three phonemic chunks: >>>>> c - ou >>>>> - gh. >>>>> >>>>> But the phonetic representations of the short o phoneme (ou) and >>>>> the / >>>>> f/ (gh) would be squished up against each other so they would be >>>>> recognized as a chunk, not as separate letters? Does this make >>>>> sense? >>>> >>>> Not exactly sure what you are after. Would an IPA font do what >>>> you wanted? You can get some very good ones from sil.org: >>>> >>>> http://www.sil.org/computing/catalog/show_software_catalog.asp?by=cat&name=Font >>>> >>>> HTH >>>> >>>> Devin >>>> >>>> Devin Asay >>>> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center >>>> Brigham Young University >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Oct 2 04:23:41 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:23:41 +0200 Subject: AW: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE In-Reply-To: <9BFBD44A-4E10-49A8-8F2D-A39EB1D930D1@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <89EBA49047E84532868445461C84BA5D@Kestner.local> Wow, Malte, you are a 3 star expert :) That was the clue, now everything runs like a canon ball :) Obviously the prefs wanted to do something with any old plugins I had bound sometimes in the past but deleted the wrong way... Many thanks - you saved my day! Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Malte Brill > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Oktober 2008 10:05 > An: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Betreff: Re: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE > > Tiemo, > > it might be worth a try to delete revPreferences.rev (while rev is > closed) > > In the messagebox type: > > put the filename of stack "revPreferences" > > to get the full path. Now close rev to delete that file and restart. > But maybe you tried that already? > > All the best, > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From dave at looktowindward.com Thu Oct 2 07:32:12 2008 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 12:32:12 +0100 Subject: Weird Send in Time Problem??? Message-ID: <97397327-D5B6-4869-824A-05751CED7EF4@looktowindward.com> Hi, I have a test stack with one button and one field, the Button Script contains: on TImer put the seconds & cr after field 1 put the openStacks & cr & cr after field 1 set the scroll of field 1 to 9999999 send "Timer" to me in 1 second end Timer on mouseUp put empty into field 1 send "Timer" to me in 2 seconds end mouseUp When I look at the result in field 1, I see 1222946339 <>> 1222946339 <>> 1222946339 <>> 1222946340 <>> How can the seconds property be the same 3 times in a row, when there is a one second interval between message Sends???? Other stacks are doing stuff, so I can see that there might be a >1 second interval, but not <=! All the Best Dave From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Thu Oct 2 07:58:23 2008 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:58:23 +0200 Subject: Weird Send in Time Problem??? In-Reply-To: <97397327-D5B6-4869-824A-05751CED7EF4@looktowindward.com> References: <97397327-D5B6-4869-824A-05751CED7EF4@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: Bonjour Dave, I just bet you have several 'Timer' messages pending at the same time. To be sure to have one only, use: if "Timer" is not in the pendingMessages then send "Timer" to me in 1 second Another thing: Prefer to write your data in your field only once: put the seconds & cr & the openStacks & cr & cr after field 1 Multiple screen refresh is always time consuming :-) Le 2 oct. 08 ? 13:32, Dave a ?crit : > I have a test stack with one button and one field, the Button > Script contains: > > on TImer > put the seconds & cr after field 1 > put the openStacks & cr & cr after field 1 > set the scroll of field 1 to 9999999 > > send "Timer" to me in 1 second > end Timer > > > on mouseUp > put empty into field 1 > > send "Timer" to me in 2 seconds > end mouseUp > > When I look at the result in field 1, I see > > 1222946339 > <>> > > 1222946339 > <>> > > 1222946339 > <>> > > 1222946340 > <>> > > > How can the seconds property be the same 3 times in a row, when > there is a one second interval between message Sends???? Other > stacks are doing stuff, so I can see that there might be a >1 > second interval, but not <=! > > All the Best > Dave Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From 3mcgrath at comcast.net Thu Oct 2 08:24:41 2008 From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:24:41 -0400 Subject: Weird Send in Time Problem??? In-Reply-To: <97397327-D5B6-4869-824A-05751CED7EF4@looktowindward.com> References: <97397327-D5B6-4869-824A-05751CED7EF4@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: <4AE0C3CE-29CA-4CC1-8D48-001C32B7235A@comcast.net> Dave, Hi, I don't get multiple entries for the same one second interval. But if I change the script to 2 seconds then it will start with even numbers and after a couple of iterations it will end up odd numbers (and vice versa). So I guess the real question is "Is a second really a second?" and I would guess for some scripts the answer is "No". Hmm, Tom McGrath III On Oct 2, 2008, at 7:32 AM, Dave wrote: > Hi, > > I have a test stack with one button and one field, the Button Script > contains: > > on TImer > put the seconds & cr after field 1 > put the openStacks & cr & cr after field 1 > set the scroll of field 1 to 9999999 > > send "Timer" to me in 1 second > end Timer > > > on mouseUp > put empty into field 1 > > send "Timer" to me in 2 seconds > end mouseUp > > When I look at the result in field 1, I see > > 1222946339 > <>> > > 1222946339 > <>> > > 1222946339 > <>> > > 1222946340 > <>> > > > How can the seconds property be the same 3 times in a row, when > there is a one second interval between message Sends???? Other > stacks are doing stuff, so I can see that there might be a >1 second > interval, but not <=! > > All the Best > Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Thu Oct 2 10:21:18 2008 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 07:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e0810010905j4b18d336v6696e6c0c70153b9@mail.gmail.com> <19773322.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <19780264.post@talk.nabble.com> Bernard, sorry, you are quite right. When I first tried 3.0, I don't know why, I thought they were working. I was not very well at the time, and don't know quite what happened. Maybe it was an hallucination? At any rate, having verified today, this is what happens. You have an application open, move the stack being worked on to a different desktop. It goes there. You can also drag it to the second desktop in the window manager display. Then, as soon as you move to that desktop to use that window, the stack immediately goes back to the one where the Rev application is. The same thing happens with the dictionary. So we are once more, apparently, in this ridiculous and infuriating situation of having half a dozen work spaces empty and available, and also having half a dozen application windows all crammed into one of them, one on top of the other. I don't know what can have happened. I definitely thought it had worked correctly, because it was one of the first things tried. And there was a posting from another Linux user which said that multiple desktops worked on the beta, in response to a question. This is on Debian with Gnome. I'll have a try with some other WMs, particularly fluxbox and WindowMaker, and see if its common across them, and maybe also be able to have a try with Mandriva and KDE in a week or so. This has just got to be fixed if it really is a general problem and not just my Debian installation. You don't really need for every single element of the IDE to be independently moveable, but at a minimum you must be able to have the application stack, the script editor, the dictionary and the set consisting of all the other elements - (property inspector, palette, menu bar) on different desktops. This was one of the things driving one to Geany as a program editor, at least it would go where it was put and stay there. Peter Bernard Devlin-2 wrote: > > Peter, can you just explain this. In my experience on Fedora the multiple > desktops don't work properly. I find that portions of Rev (message box, > toolbar, etc) will appear on other desktops, and not on the desktop I > placed > them on. I didn't even expect this to work, so didn't log it as a bug. > It sounds like you are having a different experience. I'd be grateful if > you'd confirm that. > > Bernard > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 5:51 AM, Peter Alcibiades < > palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> The big UI deal is that multiple desktops now work as they are supposed >> to >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/RR-in-Wine-tp19763770p19780264.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mikeythek at gmail.com Thu Oct 2 10:34:07 2008 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 10:34:07 -0400 Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: <19780264.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <9b408d8e0810010905j4b18d336v6696e6c0c70153b9@mail.gmail.com> <19773322.post@talk.nabble.com> <19780264.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e0810020734k7299736fua257cea1e89a5822@mail.gmail.com> I'm fascinated that Ubuntu is that much different than Debian. I've only used a few distros (I'm currently screwing around with HH in Ubuntu, so I haven't played that much with some of the lesser-known ones. So Do you use KDE instead of Gnome? -- On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving. And God said, "This is good." From chipp at chipp.com Thu Oct 2 18:30:18 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 17:30:18 -0500 Subject: Standalone Saving Woes In-Reply-To: <2CEE8AA4-A4C2-4694-BB6E-015711179EEC@looktowindward.com> References: <2CEE8AA4-A4C2-4694-BB6E-015711179EEC@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: <665591460810021530n661051a3oe3dd3b52695b790e@mail.gmail.com> Not that this is an answer to your question, but why are you creating so many standalones? I typically create a single standalone for all of my in-development projects, which acts as a splash stack and auto-updater for my main stacks which are essentially the bulk of the programming (plus any plugins which may go with it). Just a suggestion. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Oct 2 22:20:37 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 04:20:37 +0200 Subject: ANN: Pointer Tooltip 2.1 Message-ID: <3D3B9CF0-720A-4901-B513-E2EE8B981690@economy-x-talk.com> Dear Revolution users, A new version of the Pointer Tooltip plugin for Revolution is now available. The Pointer Tooltip plug-in shows the long names of objects, such as fields and buttons, in a multi-line tooltip, while the pointer tool is selected. Save the plug-in in your Revolution plug-ins folder before you start Revolution, choose RevPointerTooltip from the Plug-ins menu, and click the checkbox to turn it on. This version is optimised for Rev 3.0. A new feature is the addition of the ID number after the long object name. You can download this plug-in at < http://economy-x-talk.com> (click on the Developers button on the left). -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. From pepetoo at cox.net Thu Oct 2 23:12:15 2008 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 20:12:15 -0700 Subject: ANN: Pointer Tooltip 2.1 In-Reply-To: <3D3B9CF0-720A-4901-B513-E2EE8B981690@economy-x-talk.com> References: <3D3B9CF0-720A-4901-B513-E2EE8B981690@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <790A2664-49BF-4EB9-BE1A-78191E139C55@cox.net> Mark, real neat, but it shows so much information so quickly that for guys like me it's almost useless. Any chance to make it so that holding down, say the option key when pointing at an object would put that information in the msg box? Or maybe have some preference that would cause that to happen? TIA, Joe Wilkins On Oct 2, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > A new version of the Pointer Tooltip plugin for Revolution is now > available. > > The Pointer Tooltip plug-in shows the long names of objects, such as > fields and buttons, in a multi-line tooltip, while the pointer tool > is selected. Save the plug-in in your Revolution plug-ins folder > before you start Revolution, choose RevPointerTooltip from the Plug- > ins menu, and click the checkbox to turn it on. > > This version is optimised for Rev 3.0. A new feature is the addition > of the ID number after the long object name. > > You can download this plug-in at < http://economy-x-talk.com> (click > on the Developers button on the left). > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri Oct 3 02:11:12 2008 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:11:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0810020734k7299736fua257cea1e89a5822@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e0810010905j4b18d336v6696e6c0c70153b9@mail.gmail.com> <19773322.post@talk.nabble.com> <19780264.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810020734k7299736fua257cea1e89a5822@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19792647.post@talk.nabble.com> Mikey-3 wrote: > > I'm fascinated that Ubuntu is that much different than Debian. I've > only used a few distros (I'm currently screwing around with HH in > Ubuntu, so I haven't played that much with some of the lesser-known > ones. > > So Do you use KDE instead of Gnome? > > No, I do still use Gnome some of the time, but Fluxbox a lot of the time, usually with Geany as editor and xfe as file manager in both cases. I use many KDE applications in preference to the Gnome ones - Kmail and Korganizer in preference to Evolution. Kjots in preference to Gjots. K3b for CD burning. I also use WDM as the display/logon manager in place of KDM or GDM. Fluxbox just gets out of your way when you want to do something. KDE is OK, and I've installed it for people. I find the number of mouse clicks to get anything done, at least as it comes out of the box, rather irritating. It is however considerably less dumbed down and more configurable than Gnome, which seems to make a fetish lately of taking useful functionality out in case it confuses some 5 year old someplace and causes him emotional damage. But they are both a bit too prominent pieces of the environment for my taste. The essential difference between Debian and Ubuntu is continuous upgrades versus named releases. Do you get all your apps updated in the rolling updates of a package like the current Etch or Lenny? Or do you only get security releases, and then have to do a staged version upgrade to get the lastest version of Open Office? Debian, you will always get the apps updated, and then you move from version to version by doing apt-get dist-upgrade. This is why Woodford took Mepis to Debian and away from Ubuntu as the base. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS6170488551.html A reasonable way to approach Debian is, use the testing version only when it is at least 6 months old. Otherwise use stable. Lenny is currently nearing moving to Stable. I've been on Lenny now for about a year, and will stay with it for at least 6 months, maybe longer, but at some time after that will upgrade to the then Testing version. You see the uprade problem in its most acute form in Mandriva. Mandriva is nice to install for naive users since it has a great GUI driven admin centre and it comes with a proper user manual. But, you put in Mandriva 2008, and now out comes 2008.1, and what do you do? You can change the urpmi repositories and do a net upgrade, but its risky. Do it half a dozen times and you are just about guaranteed one disaster. Or, you can do a clean install, assuming you put /home on a separate partition. I've done it, but don't like it, and certainly don't intend doing it every six or nine months for a bunch of people. Still less turn them loose on DIY! So you end up treating it like Windows, and leaving in 2008 for a couple of years and only doing the 2008 updates, which are going to be security only. That is not very satisfactory either. Debian is the way to go. If you really want to learn Linux, Slackware is also worth considering. Fast, though not I think much faster than Debian, and very bare bones. Slackware stopped supporting Gnome a while back, though. There is a big difference using nothing but Linux, and using it on native hardware, and having many different desktop environments available at the click of a mouse, and using one distro as it comes out of the box occasionally through a VM. It changes your concept of both usability and look and feel. If you do install Debian, by the way, put in the i386 version, not the 64 bit version. I am running amd64 Debian and 64 bit is not worth the trouble. At this point I would also install Lenny rather than Etch, it is almost finalized as Stable, almost certainly will be by the end of the month. However Debian's motto is 'no wine before its time', so you can't be sure. Peter -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/RR-in-Wine-tp19763770p19792647.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 04:53:19 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:53:19 +0100 Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: <19780264.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <9b408d8e0810010905j4b18d336v6696e6c0c70153b9@mail.gmail.com> <19773322.post@talk.nabble.com> <19780264.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Don't feel bad about thinking multiple desktops worked - I think that Rev's behaviour on 3.0 on Linux is erratic. Sometimes it seems to be respecting the multiple desktops, other times not. I've also seen the message box start up long and to the right of the screen, and then I readjust it's position and size, and it stays put. On subsequent restarts (with nothing happening in between), it will be where I put it, or move back to being long and to the right (http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7246). I can understand that the broken multiple desktops is a big issue for you. But given the problems I've seen in the last two weeks, it is pretty minor to me. If you have the time could you review the bugs I've found in Rev 3.0 in the past week or two? When I initially raised my concern that 3.0 was seriously defective, I received virtually no support. I cannot find any pattern to the crashing bugs, but some of those 15 or so bugs have recipes. I've verified those with recipes on both Fedora and Ubuntu (since so often it's the variety of Linux distributions that gets blamed for Rev bugs). I also checked on 2.9 and the same repeatable bugs are there. (Bugs with recipes are: 7212, 7219, 7220, 7222, 7225, 7238). Since rev 3.0 opened in Chinese on OpenSuse (when all other applications were in English), I haven't done any testing on that. If you have some version of Suse to hand, and Rev opens in English on it (or you don't mind struggling through testing it in Chinese), it would be great if you could verify the bugs in Suse. BTW, in case anyone else is thinking of cross-checking these bugs, the download links on runrev.com for the Linux version of 3.0 point to 2 different releases: http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/enterprise/3.0.0-gm-1/RevEnt300Full.zip http://developer.runrev.com/components/revolution/studio/3.0.0-gm-3/RevStd300Full.zip I emailed support about this yesterday. This matters, because sometimes the update feature doesn't work (bug 5581 is reported as being fixed in 2.9 dp4, but I saw it in later versions and Bob Warren was last week reporting bugs in gm-2 because he didn't know there was a gm-3: his installation told him there were no updates available). One guy has done us a great service in finding that there is apparently a memory leak in rev 3.0, and he's gone back to using 2.6.1. (bug 7257). Whilst his test application highlights that particular memory leak, I've run 'top' during the times I've been working with Rev 3.0, and when I'm not running his application I don't see the same consistent ramp up of memory usage. That doesn't give me any confidence that his bug is the same as the cause of my unpredictable crashes. Between these various hangs and crashes, and the script editor being incapable of scrolling a huge script of 36 lines, I've given up on 3.0 (and 2.9) altogether. I'm now waiting for support to send me a download link for 2.6.1. (strangely, it's not available from the runrev download page, but 2.5.1 is still available). Maybe 2005's technology will be more reliable than 2008's, even after the big push on bug-fixing. It's depressing. Bernard On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 3:21 PM, Peter Alcibiades < palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > Bernard, sorry, you are quite right. When I first tried 3.0, I don't know > why, I thought they were working. I was not very well at the time, and > don't know quite what happened. Maybe it was an hallucination? At any > rate, having verified today, this is what happens. From shoreagent at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 07:59:19 2008 From: shoreagent at gmail.com (william humphrey) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:59:19 -0400 Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e0810010905j4b18d336v6696e6c0c70153b9@mail.gmail.com> <19773322.post@talk.nabble.com> <19780264.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <459b22a90810030459q104dfa89hd163338b590993cf@mail.gmail.com> Umbuto, Debian, Badin, Palin ... I'm confused. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 08:33:59 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:33:59 +0300 Subject: is it worth reporting bugs in 2.6.1? Message-ID: The first thing I did after installing 2.6.1 on Linux was to run Bjoernke's chat rev stack (http://bjoernke.com/runrev/chatrev.php), since it presented so many problems in Rev 3.0 Linux. After creating a legacy stack using 3.0, in 2.6.1 I was at least able to submit more than a few lines to my chat server, without the IDE locking up. Even though 2.6.1 looks worse than 3.0, I was feeling relieved. At least I have a version of Rev that looks like I might be able to work with it. Then I noticed, that the chat rev stack had no 'close' decoration. I checked back in 3.0 and it has a 'close' decoration there. So I opened up my Ubuntu VM and installed 2.6.1 there. There too in 3.0 it has a close decoration, but not in 2.6.1. So the same legacy stack opened in 2.6.1 on Ubuntu and Fedora has no 'close' decoration, but on 3.0 it does have a 'close' decoration (and 'close' is one of the items of the decorations of the stack). Oh, and whilst I had that legacy stack open on 3.0 on ubuntu, the IDE crashed. This was a freshly-restarted VM, and within 2 minutes of being opened Rev 3.0 crashed. I had done nothing but open chatrev. Is it possible there is something in that stack that could be causing problems? I have a lot of respect for the skills of Bjoernke and the other chat rev users, so I find it hard to believe that they would not have found any obvious bugs in the stack by now, and reported them or worked round them. Chatrev is not the only thing I've had problems with in 3.0, but since I am also seeing such bizarre behaviour in 2.6.1, I'm starting to think I am jinxed. I'm tired of weeks of bug tracking, and just want to get back to doing some developmen, using Linux on my new laptop. Is there any point in adding this information to QCC? Bernard. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Oct 3 08:53:07 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:53:07 +0200 Subject: is it worth reporting bugs in 2.6.1? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bernard, The first part of this bug was reported already as some time ago. Since the close box issue exists in 2.6.1 but --if I understand you correctly-- seems to be resolved in 3.0, it makes no sense to report it. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 3 okt 2008, at 14:33, Bernard Devlin wrote: > The first thing I did after installing 2.6.1 on Linux was to run > Bjoernke's > chat rev stack (http://bjoernke.com/runrev/chatrev.php), since it > presented > so many problems in Rev 3.0 Linux. After creating a legacy stack > using 3.0, > in 2.6.1 I was at least able to submit more than a few lines to my > chat > server, without the IDE locking up. Even though 2.6.1 looks worse > than 3.0, > I was feeling relieved. At least I have a version of Rev that looks > like I > might be able to work with it. > > Then I noticed, that the chat rev stack had no 'close' decoration. I > checked back in 3.0 and it has a 'close' decoration there. So I > opened up > my Ubuntu VM and installed 2.6.1 there. There too in 3.0 it has a > close > decoration, but not in 2.6.1. > > So the same legacy stack opened in 2.6.1 on Ubuntu and Fedora has no > 'close' > decoration, but on 3.0 it does have a 'close' decoration (and > 'close' is one > of the items of the decorations of the stack). Oh, and whilst I had > that > legacy stack open on 3.0 on ubuntu, the IDE crashed. This was a > freshly-restarted VM, and within 2 minutes of being opened Rev 3.0 > crashed. > I had done nothing but open chatrev. > > Is it possible there is something in that stack that could be causing > problems? I have a lot of respect for the skills of Bjoernke and > the other > chat rev users, so I find it hard to believe that they would not > have found > any obvious bugs in the stack by now, and reported them or worked > round > them. > > Chatrev is not the only thing I've had problems with in 3.0, but > since I am > also seeing such bizarre behaviour in 2.6.1, I'm starting to think I > am > jinxed. > > I'm tired of weeks of bug tracking, and just want to get back to > doing some > developmen, using Linux on my new laptop. Is there any point in > adding this > information to QCC? > > Bernard. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri Oct 3 11:41:34 2008 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 08:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: <459b22a90810030459q104dfa89hd163338b590993cf@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e0810010905j4b18d336v6696e6c0c70153b9@mail.gmail.com> <19773322.post@talk.nabble.com> <19780264.post@talk.nabble.com> <459b22a90810030459q104dfa89hd163338b590993cf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19800365.post@talk.nabble.com> BILL HUMPHREY wrote: > > Umbuto, Debian, Badin, Palin ... I'm confused. > In case it wasn't a joke, and in case it interests anyone who is genuinely not familiar. Its a different world. Because all the source code for Linux and almost all the applications is available freely to anyone, and because anyone can take and borrow anything from any existing Linux distribution, anyone can produce their own Linux distribution, and many do. If you look on Distrowatch, there are over 300. They are all packagings of subsets of basically the same basic stuff. However, there is an awful lot of stuff. Debian for instance has upwards of 20,000 applications in its repositories. So if you are putting together a distribution for, say, scientific use, you will include a different subset from if you are putting one to be used for security network auditing purposes, or graphics, or game playing. The general purpose ones all have very similar stuff, Open Office, KDE or Gnome or Xfce and so on. But the smaller ones each have their own different choices and optimizations. This does make the task of releasing something like Rev that works equally well on all distributions and desktops a bit of a challenge, but it is very much an exception in the Linux world when one doesn't Linux users rapidly become aware when they give these sorts of explanations to sophisticated people who just don't happen to have used it, and haven't used it as a sole system, that it produces a common reaction of impatient disbelief. This simply cannot work. It cannot possibly work to have a choice of 4 or 5 login managers, which can each be combined with any of 6 or 8 Window Managers, which can each then be combined with each of half a dozen desktop environments, all of which can be used with any of a dozen or so terminals and file managers and editors and development environments and toolkits...! Yes, but it does work, its just a different model. Just like a choice between a few hundred different wineries can work. Similarly, we are often wedded to the view that the look and feel of the desktop characterizes the OS. You find this in discussions of Aqua, or Vista versus XP. So it is very difficult to explain to people that Linux has no standard desktop manager, it has a choice of 10-20, and within that, each desktop manager has multiple themes, icon shapes, and is also configurable in terms of menu placement, items, single click versus double click, menus that work like Apple's or like Windows',...and so on. Similarly with uniformity of look and feel across applications. It doesn't exist, isn't expected or even noticed for the most part. A very common reaction to all this is to feel that if only Linux (whatever that is!) would standardize, it would do so much better. But, for better or worse, its not that kind of beast. If only mongrels all were about the same height and weight and shape, we could exhibit them better in dog shows. Yes, guess so. But you have to think where mongrels came from in the first place, and what is this stuff about dog shows anyway? Well, hope this is helpful to someone! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/RR-in-Wine-tp19763770p19800365.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From toncardona at mac.com Fri Oct 3 12:36:01 2008 From: toncardona at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Melit=F3n_Cardona_Torres?=) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:36:01 +0200 Subject: Mac vs. Windows Message-ID: I use this: put "ftp://ftp_myFTP at myFTP.com:keyx33 at ftp.company.com/" into gNewURL and I get a connection to the FTP in the Mac compilation, but not in the Windows one. Any ideas? Thanks in advance. Ton Cardona From nealk3nc at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 12:39:54 2008 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 12:39:54 -0400 Subject: Beagle Board users out there? Message-ID: <325413300810030939p61ebadbeq2fefb6e960dc1121@mail.gmail.com> Is anyone using the new Beagle Board either for development or deployment of Rev programs? The link is http://beagleboard.org. I know that is is powerful enough that some of my bit-headed friends heavily into Software-Defined Radios will be using this as a platform (and that requires a pretty hefty system, mine is a Q6600 Intel system as an example). Looks like heaven for a kiosk or dedicated box/application enviornment for Rev! Best regards Neal -- Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux (540) 242 0911 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at www.abrohamnealsoftware.com - $15.99 ------------------------------------------------- For a great dog book, visit www.abrohamneal.com ------------------------------------------------- See the FlexRadio Systems Flex-5000a in action at www.flex-videos.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Oct 3 12:40:36 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 18:40:36 +0200 Subject: Mac vs. Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B22CAB6-C505-432F-89E1-BCC0BE41CDE6@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Ton, Does it work if you use ftp_myFTP+myFTP.com or ftp_myFTP%myFTP.com instead of ftp_myFTP at myFTP.com? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 3 okt 2008, at 18:36, Melit?n Cardona Torres wrote: > I use this: > > put "ftp://ftp_myFTP at myFTP.com:keyx33 at ftp.company.com/" into gNewURL > > and I get a connection to the FTP in the Mac compilation, but not in > the Windows one. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks in advance. > > Ton Cardona From tedl at voyager.net Fri Oct 3 13:03:25 2008 From: tedl at voyager.net (Ted) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:03:25 -0400 Subject: Rev Standalone and Encryption Message-ID: <001f01c9257a$1be685e0$26fc5f45@egl> Thanks, Bill, Mark, and Eric. What would I use to open my standalone and see what others might see? Thanks, Ted From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Oct 3 13:03:12 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 19:03:12 +0200 Subject: Rev Standalone and Encryption In-Reply-To: <001f01c9257a$1be685e0$26fc5f45@egl> References: <001f01c9257a$1be685e0$26fc5f45@egl> Message-ID: <75B8B201-8E19-4A13-8A3C-AA101F83EE2E@economy-x-talk.com> Ted, just pretend your stack to be a text file and open it in any text editor. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 3 okt 2008, at 19:03, Ted wrote: > Thanks, Bill, Mark, and Eric. > > What would I use to open my standalone and see what others might see? > > Thanks, > > Ted > From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Oct 3 13:12:22 2008 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:12:22 -0300 Subject: Beagle Board users out there? In-Reply-To: <325413300810030939p61ebadbeq2fefb6e960dc1121@mail.gmail.com> References: <325413300810030939p61ebadbeq2fefb6e960dc1121@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10810031012s4689dfaaq9caeef684e290d3e@mail.gmail.com> Neal, Hello there! I've been looking into beagle board for a while now and also considering buying one. I believe you will not be able to develop for it using Revolution since the processor is an OMAP from Texas Instruments and that means ARM in plain english. We all love and embrace ARM. ARM is the unsung hero of processors and I will hold dear to my Newton MP2000 with StrongARM forever but, we don't have a Revolution engine able to run on ARM processors. We have engines for: x86 macs, win, linux ppc macs Somewhere in the vaults of a Scottish FTP server are very old engines for Bsd, Hp9k700, Iris, rs6000, SolSparc (SPARC!). These engines are version 2.5.1 and still no ARM processor in there. Now, if you can get Linux x86 ABI (does this exist?) running on the beagle board then you can try. Now, if you want to play with small motherboards able to run Rev. You may want to consider some Via based solution like a pico-ITX board. It is as small as 10cm by 7cm and has a powerful 1ghz x86 processor. Here is a URL from the mini-itx store that can help you: http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=39 I have no affiliation with them and never tested one of their boards, but it is a x86 processor from a good company with an attractive price. Cheers andre On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Neal Campbell wrote: > Is anyone using the new Beagle Board either for development or > deployment of Rev programs? The link is http://beagleboard.org. I know > that is is powerful enough that some of my bit-headed friends heavily > into Software-Defined Radios will be using this as a platform (and > that requires a pretty hefty system, mine is a Q6600 Intel system as > an example). > > Looks like heaven for a kiosk or dedicated box/application enviornment for Rev! > > Best regards > Neal > > -- > Neal Campbell > Abroham Neal Software > Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux > (540) 242 0911 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com - $15.99 > ------------------------------------------------- > For a great dog book, visit www.abrohamneal.com > ------------------------------------------------- > See the FlexRadio Systems Flex-5000a in > action at www.flex-videos.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Oct 3 13:13:03 2008 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:13:03 -0700 Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: <19800365.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: > Linux users rapidly become aware when they give these sorts of explanations > to sophisticated people who just don't happen to have used it, and haven't > used it as a sole system, that it produces a common reaction of impatient > disbelief. This simply cannot work. It cannot possibly work to have a > choice of 4 or 5 login managers, which can each be combined with any of 6 or > 8 Window Managers, which can each then be combined with each of half a dozen > desktop environments, all of which can be used with any of a dozen or so > terminals and file managers and editors and development environments and > toolkits...! > > Yes, but it does work, its just a different model. Just like a choice > between a few hundred different wineries can work. Similarly, we are often > wedded to the view that the look and feel of the desktop characterizes the > OS. You find this in discussions of Aqua, or Vista versus XP. So it is > very difficult to explain to people that Linux has no standard desktop > manager, it has a choice of 10-20, and within that, each desktop manager has > multiple themes, icon shapes, and is also configurable in terms of menu > placement, items, single click versus double click, menus that work like > Apple's or like Windows',...and so on. Similarly with uniformity of look > and feel across applications. It doesn't exist, isn't expected or even > noticed for the most part. You know, I can't help but think of comparing Web development to this analogy. Over the last year or so of building sites, I've been using (what I believe are) current practices of CSS and other construction techniques. These aren't new technologies, they've been around for years. But after spending hours getting a layout to work, I test it in another browser on another platform, and boom, everything is out place and misaligned. So I have to go to the Web, spend a few hours looking up "bug in XYZ browser" (which is often Internet Explorer) and spend more time trying to isolate and fix the problem. I wind up doing this again,and again, and again. It's quite clear from the articles and responses that this is happening daily for thousands of developers around the world. And with maybe 1/2 a dozen browsers. This is not a good thing. I believe there is something to be said for some degree of standards. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Oct 3 13:19:16 2008 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 14:19:16 -0300 Subject: Beagle Board users out there? In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10810031012s4689dfaaq9caeef684e290d3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <325413300810030939p61ebadbeq2fefb6e960dc1121@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a10810031012s4689dfaaq9caeef684e290d3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10810031019v20da29b8x120f113678ed3840@mail.gmail.com> Hello again Neal, I was checking the mini-itx site after replying to you and I've just found what appears to be a treasure. I still don't think it is possible. Check: http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=31 It's an Intel Atom board, with the processor for 76 USD... Can you hear the magic words ATOM PROCESSSOR, the new wonderchild from intel. This should help your kiosks needs.... clocked at 1.6ghz, very nice. andre On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Neal, > > Hello there! I've been looking into beagle board for a while now and > also considering buying one. I believe you will not be able to develop > for it using Revolution since the processor is an OMAP from Texas > Instruments and that means ARM in plain english. > > We all love and embrace ARM. ARM is the unsung hero of processors and > I will hold dear to my Newton MP2000 with StrongARM forever but, we > don't have a Revolution engine able to run on ARM processors. We have > engines for: > > x86 macs, win, linux > ppc macs > > Somewhere in the vaults of a Scottish FTP server are very old engines > for Bsd, Hp9k700, Iris, rs6000, SolSparc (SPARC!). These engines are > version 2.5.1 and still no ARM processor in there. Now, if you can get > Linux x86 ABI (does this exist?) running on the beagle board then you > can try. > > Now, if you want to play with small motherboards able to run Rev. You > may want to consider some Via based solution like a pico-ITX board. It > is as small as 10cm by 7cm and has a powerful 1ghz x86 processor. > > Here is a URL from the mini-itx store that can help you: > http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=39 > > I have no affiliation with them and never tested one of their boards, > but it is a x86 processor from a good company with an attractive > price. > > Cheers > andre > > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Neal Campbell wrote: >> Is anyone using the new Beagle Board either for development or >> deployment of Rev programs? The link is http://beagleboard.org. I know >> that is is powerful enough that some of my bit-headed friends heavily >> into Software-Defined Radios will be using this as a platform (and >> that requires a pretty hefty system, mine is a Q6600 Intel system as >> an example). >> >> Looks like heaven for a kiosk or dedicated box/application enviornment for Rev! >> >> Best regards >> Neal >> >> -- >> Neal Campbell >> Abroham Neal Software >> Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux >> (540) 242 0911 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at >> www.abrohamnealsoftware.com - $15.99 >> ------------------------------------------------- >> For a great dog book, visit www.abrohamneal.com >> ------------------------------------------------- >> See the FlexRadio Systems Flex-5000a in >> action at www.flex-videos.com >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From jmcneely at nwrads.com Fri Oct 3 13:31:25 2008 From: jmcneely at nwrads.com (Jim McNeely) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 10:31:25 -0700 Subject: force quit question Message-ID: <4936532C-8CCD-464B-A336-40949D5506E4@nwrads.com> Here is a (probably embarrassing) newbie question for you. Suppose you put some ill-advised code in a file that results in an endless loop, and you have to force quit revolution. If you go back to that file and resume work, should you suppose that it is damaged, or should you assume that all is well except unsaved changes were lost? In other words, what is the conventional wisdom in this circumstance, besides avoiding putting dumb endless looping code into your app? Thanks, Jim McNeely From toncardona at mac.com Fri Oct 3 13:32:19 2008 From: toncardona at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Melit=F3n_Cardona_Torres?=) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 19:32:19 +0200 Subject: Mac vs Windows 2 Message-ID: <9FE810BF-FAAA-473E-8B22-8A83288A10D3@mac.com> I have tried Mark's two kind suggestions, but they do not work (neither in Mac nor in Windows). Funny, don't you think? Thanks anyway Tpn From nealk3nc at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 13:32:48 2008 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:32:48 -0400 Subject: Beagle Board users out there? In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10810031019v20da29b8x120f113678ed3840@mail.gmail.com> References: <325413300810030939p61ebadbeq2fefb6e960dc1121@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a10810031012s4689dfaaq9caeef684e290d3e@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a10810031019v20da29b8x120f113678ed3840@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <325413300810031032t2a8fda98jc5ad92340ac6efa2@mail.gmail.com> I got excited when I saw you could use the Angstrom (sri about lack of double umlats) Linux distro and did not consider the underlying instruction set. Man if we could get an ARM engine we would really be able to do some amazing stuff. Anyway, I have little interest in the Atom. When the CEO of Intel remarked at a convention that it "doesn't do anything you would want" it kinda went off my radar screen!! Sri for my irrational over-exuberance. Best wishes Neal On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hello again Neal, > > I was checking the mini-itx site after replying to you and I've just > found what appears to be a treasure. I still don't think it is > possible. Check: > > http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=31 > > It's an Intel Atom board, with the processor for 76 USD... Can you > hear the magic words ATOM PROCESSSOR, the new wonderchild from intel. > This should help your kiosks needs.... clocked at 1.6ghz, very nice. > > andre > > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: >> Neal, >> >> Hello there! I've been looking into beagle board for a while now and >> also considering buying one. I believe you will not be able to develop >> for it using Revolution since the processor is an OMAP from Texas >> Instruments and that means ARM in plain english. >> >> We all love and embrace ARM. ARM is the unsung hero of processors and >> I will hold dear to my Newton MP2000 with StrongARM forever but, we >> don't have a Revolution engine able to run on ARM processors. We have >> engines for: >> >> x86 macs, win, linux >> ppc macs >> >> Somewhere in the vaults of a Scottish FTP server are very old engines >> for Bsd, Hp9k700, Iris, rs6000, SolSparc (SPARC!). These engines are >> version 2.5.1 and still no ARM processor in there. Now, if you can get >> Linux x86 ABI (does this exist?) running on the beagle board then you >> can try. >> >> Now, if you want to play with small motherboards able to run Rev. You >> may want to consider some Via based solution like a pico-ITX board. It >> is as small as 10cm by 7cm and has a powerful 1ghz x86 processor. >> >> Here is a URL from the mini-itx store that can help you: >> http://mini-itx.com/store/?c=39 >> >> I have no affiliation with them and never tested one of their boards, >> but it is a x86 processor from a good company with an attractive >> price. >> >> Cheers >> andre >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:39 PM, Neal Campbell wrote: >>> Is anyone using the new Beagle Board either for development or >>> deployment of Rev programs? The link is http://beagleboard.org. I know >>> that is is powerful enough that some of my bit-headed friends heavily >>> into Software-Defined Radios will be using this as a platform (and >>> that requires a pretty hefty system, mine is a Q6600 Intel system as >>> an example). >>> >>> Looks like heaven for a kiosk or dedicated box/application enviornment for Rev! >>> >>> Best regards >>> Neal >>> >>> -- >>> Neal Campbell >>> Abroham Neal Software >>> Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux >>> (540) 242 0911 >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at >>> www.abrohamnealsoftware.com - $15.99 >>> ------------------------------------------------- >>> For a great dog book, visit www.abrohamneal.com >>> ------------------------------------------------- >>> See the FlexRadio Systems Flex-5000a in >>> action at www.flex-videos.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux (540) 242 0911 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at www.abrohamnealsoftware.com - $15.99 ------------------------------------------------- For a great dog book, visit www.abrohamneal.com ------------------------------------------------- See the FlexRadio Systems Flex-5000a in action at www.flex-videos.com From mikeythek at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 13:37:06 2008 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:37:06 -0400 Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: References: <19800365.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e0810031037k1f2e038fg7ba38fe3b2bd0961@mail.gmail.com> Well, as long as this has morphed into a Linux discussion, here we go. 1) On the bad news side, the most annoying thing is the lack of hardware drivers for various gear, and the need to therefore work around some of those issues. On this lappie, there isn't a straight wireless radio driver, so I'm reading through several threads on how to fix that - time that I'd rather spend doing something else. There isn't a native driver for my mouse, so one of the things I'm used to being able to do with it (and I just do by instinct) causes something entirely different to happen instead. A couple of printer brands don't work. For as much help as most of the forums are, there is a lot of time to be invested and unfortunately some dead ends that are there. Some applications don't run on it, even virtualized, apparently. 2) On the good news side, this machine is a POC. It really is. It's using a chipset and motherboard that's 4 years old (even though the machine was new last year). When I have to get into Vista, I yearn to return to Linux. It is SO DAMN FAST by comparison. Holy crap is it fast. It is hard to believe ow slow Vista (and even XP are) compared to Linux. It's unbelievable. There are also nifty things built in (that run fast) that I don't ever remember seeing in Windoze. So, I'm hoping that we can get everything resolved, because I know that I have to replace my old lappie shortly. Thankfully I've been so busy the last few days doing things that I can easily do in Linux that I haven't had to think about it. Hopefully it will stay that way. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Oct 3 14:07:27 2008 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:07:27 -0500 Subject: force quit question In-Reply-To: <4936532C-8CCD-464B-A336-40949D5506E4@nwrads.com> References: <4936532C-8CCD-464B-A336-40949D5506E4@nwrads.com> Message-ID: <48E65F5F.6080806@hyperactivesw.com> Jim McNeely wrote: > Here is a (probably embarrassing) newbie question for you. > > Suppose you put some ill-advised code in a file that results in an > endless loop, and you have to force quit revolution. If you go back to > that file and resume work, should you suppose that it is damaged, or > should you assume that all is well except unsaved changes were lost? > > In other words, what is the conventional wisdom in this circumstance, > besides avoiding putting dumb endless looping code into your app? Rev stacks are entirely RAM-based when they run, so any damage to the actual file on disk is very, very rare. You can assume that any unsaved work will be lost, but otherwise you should be fine. The only thing lost is the current contents of RAM. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Fri Oct 3 14:11:57 2008 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:11:57 +0200 Subject: force quit question In-Reply-To: <4936532C-8CCD-464B-A336-40949D5506E4@nwrads.com> References: <4936532C-8CCD-464B-A336-40949D5506E4@nwrads.com> Message-ID: Bonsoir Jim, As usual, Jacque's reply is perfect. I'll just add that command/dot (may need shift to be correct: depends on the platform and your system language) allows you to stop any running script in the IDE unless you have specified 'set the can't abort to true' at the beginning of your handler. Le 3 oct. 08 ? 19:31, Jim McNeely a ?crit : > Here is a (probably embarrassing) newbie question for you. > > Suppose you put some ill-advised code in a file that results in an > endless loop, and you have to force quit revolution. If you go back > to that file and resume work, should you suppose that it is > damaged, or should you assume that all is well except unsaved > changes were lost? > > In other words, what is the conventional wisdom in this > circumstance, besides avoiding putting dumb endless looping code > into your app? Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From jmcneely at nwrads.com Fri Oct 3 14:30:19 2008 From: jmcneely at nwrads.com (Jim McNeely) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 11:30:19 -0700 Subject: force quit question In-Reply-To: References: <4936532C-8CCD-464B-A336-40949D5506E4@nwrads.com> Message-ID: Thanks, guys, great info. Not that I would ever need to know any of this :^) Jim On Oct 3, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote: > Bonsoir Jim, > > As usual, Jacque's reply is perfect. > I'll just add that command/dot (may need shift to be correct: > depends on the platform and your system language) allows you to > stop any running script in the IDE unless you have specified 'set > the can't abort to true' at the beginning of your handler. > > Le 3 oct. 08 ? 19:31, Jim McNeely a ?crit : > >> Here is a (probably embarrassing) newbie question for you. >> >> Suppose you put some ill-advised code in a file that results in an >> endless loop, and you have to force quit revolution. If you go >> back to that file and resume work, should you suppose that it is >> damaged, or should you assume that all is well except unsaved >> changes were lost? >> >> In other words, what is the conventional wisdom in this >> circumstance, besides avoiding putting dumb endless looping code >> into your app? > > > Best regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ > Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Oct 3 15:05:42 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 21:05:42 +0200 Subject: Mac vs Windows 2 In-Reply-To: <9FE810BF-FAAA-473E-8B22-8A83288A10D3@mac.com> References: <9FE810BF-FAAA-473E-8B22-8A83288A10D3@mac.com> Message-ID: <863350B7-DAC1-45E7-A74E-E352996B8AF2@economy-x-talk.com> Ho Tpn, I suspect you mean my suggestions and I suppose you refer to your FTP problem. It would be useful if you quoted the previous message and kept the subject of the thread unchanged until the problem is solved. What kind of error do you get? Is the result empty, after issueing the command? What syntax have you tried to check for problems? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 3 okt 2008, at 19:32, Melit?n Cardona Torres wrote: > I have tried Mark's two kind suggestions, but they do not work > (neither in Mac nor in Windows). > > Funny, don't you think? > > Thanks anyway > > Tpn From bdrunrev at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 15:31:53 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 20:31:53 +0100 Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: References: <19800365.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: Funnily enough, I gave up web development a few years ago. I drank the kool-aid on css, and was doing Ajax with netWindows before the word 'Ajax' was invented (Alex Russell was the main man behind netWindows, now the main man behind DoJo). IMO Web development is the biggest hack since DOS memory expansion. Bernard On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > > > You know, I can't help but think of comparing Web development to this > analogy. Over the last year or so of building sites, I've been using (what > I believe are) current practices of CSS and other construction techniques. > These aren't new technologies, they've been around for years. But after > spending hours getting a layout to work, I test it in another browser on > another platform, and boom, everything is out place and misaligned. So I > have to go to the Web, spend a few hours looking up "bug in XYZ browser" > (which is often Internet Explorer) and spend more time trying to isolate > and > fix the problem. I wind up doing this again,and again, and again. It's > quite clear from the articles and responses that this is happening daily > for > thousands of developers around the world. And with maybe 1/2 a dozen > browsers. > > This is not a good thing. I believe there is something to be said for some > degree of standards. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From mikeythek at gmail.com Fri Oct 3 15:35:21 2008 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:35:21 -0400 Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: References: <19800365.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e0810031235k561acba9i565fc9f042c05ead@mail.gmail.com> It could be, but we wait for the next revolution. Who knew it would be an evolution? From jmcneely at nwrads.com Fri Oct 3 16:32:10 2008 From: jmcneely at nwrads.com (Jim McNeely) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:32:10 -0700 Subject: remove group doesn't work Message-ID: <6B372651-4052-44F2-8B92-BDC05F07CB34@nwrads.com> I have the following in a certain handler: put the groupNames of card "patient_insurance" into tGroupCheck if "insurance2" is among the lines of tGroupCheck then remove group "insurance2" from card "patient_insurance" Sometimes it will error on the second line, and I can't figure out why. I don't think it is because it isn't there, it is checking for that first. It gives this error: field "resultList": execution error at line 132 (Chunk: can't find background), char 59 Thanks, Jim McNeely From klaus at major-k.de Fri Oct 3 17:14:15 2008 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 23:14:15 +0200 Subject: remove group doesn't work In-Reply-To: <6B372651-4052-44F2-8B92-BDC05F07CB34@nwrads.com> References: <6B372651-4052-44F2-8B92-BDC05F07CB34@nwrads.com> Message-ID: <1F34CFB6-960D-4FFC-9E67-501DC3285E6B@major-k.de> Hi Jim, > I have the following in a certain handler: > > put the groupNames of card "patient_insurance" into tGroupCheck > if "insurance2" is among the lines of tGroupCheck then remove group > "insurance2" from card "patient_insurance" > > Sometimes it will error on the second line, and I can't figure out > why. I don't think it is because it isn't there, it is checking for > that first. > > It gives this error: > > field "resultList": execution error at line 132 (Chunk: can't find > background), char 59 try "background" instead of "group" ...: if "insurance2" is among the lines of tGroupCheck then remove BackGround "insurance2" from card "patient_insurance" ... > Thanks, > > Jim McNeely Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Oct 3 17:27:35 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 23:27:35 +0200 Subject: remove group doesn't work In-Reply-To: <6B372651-4052-44F2-8B92-BDC05F07CB34@nwrads.com> References: <6B372651-4052-44F2-8B92-BDC05F07CB34@nwrads.com> Message-ID: <1270C0FD-2CFA-485A-9FE9-05431EAD5987@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Jim What's the error? The following might solve the problem: lock messages put the groupNames of card "patient_insurance" into tGroupCheck if "insurance2" is among the lines of tGroupCheck then remove group "insurance2" from card "patient_insurance" end if unlock messages -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 3 okt 2008, at 22:32, Jim McNeely wrote: > I have the following in a certain handler: > > put the groupNames of card "patient_insurance" into tGroupCheck > if "insurance2" is among the lines of tGroupCheck then remove group > "insurance2" from card "patient_insurance" > > Sometimes it will error on the second line, and I can't figure out > why. I don't think it is because it isn't there, it is checking for > that first. > > It gives this error: > > field "resultList": execution error at line 132 (Chunk: can't find > background), char 59 > > Thanks, > > Jim McNeely From andres at bakno.com Sat Oct 4 00:10:22 2008 From: andres at bakno.com (Andres Martinez) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:10:22 -0400 Subject: remove group doesn't work In-Reply-To: <1270C0FD-2CFA-485A-9FE9-05431EAD5987@economy-x-talk.com> References: <6B372651-4052-44F2-8B92-BDC05F07CB34@nwrads.com> <1270C0FD-2CFA-485A-9FE9-05431EAD5987@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <5FA84688-5D56-42C9-8BB9-3A5BA7733823@bakno.com> Dear Revolutionaries I am very proud of our latest game title called "Xplorer" Please check it here... http://www.bakno.com/Xplorer/index.html This is our highest production game ever. Just a sample of the good things we can all do with Runtime Revolution. Regards, Andres Martinez www.baKno.com On Oct 3, 2008, at 5:27 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Jim > > What's the error? > > The following might solve the problem: > > lock messages > put the groupNames of card "patient_insurance" into tGroupCheck > if "insurance2" is among the lines of tGroupCheck then > remove group "insurance2" from card "patient_insurance" > end if > unlock messages > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ > > Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html > for more info. > > On 3 okt 2008, at 22:32, Jim McNeely wrote: > >> I have the following in a certain handler: >> >> put the groupNames of card "patient_insurance" into tGroupCheck >> if "insurance2" is among the lines of tGroupCheck then remove group >> "insurance2" from card "patient_insurance" >> >> Sometimes it will error on the second line, and I can't figure out >> why. I don't think it is because it isn't there, it is checking for >> that first. >> >> It gives this error: >> >> field "resultList": execution error at line 132 (Chunk: can't find >> background), char 59 >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jim McNeely > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andres at bakno.com Sat Oct 4 00:12:38 2008 From: andres at bakno.com (Andres Martinez) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:12:38 -0400 Subject: Xplorer In-Reply-To: <5FA84688-5D56-42C9-8BB9-3A5BA7733823@bakno.com> References: <6B372651-4052-44F2-8B92-BDC05F07CB34@nwrads.com> <1270C0FD-2CFA-485A-9FE9-05431EAD5987@economy-x-talk.com> <5FA84688-5D56-42C9-8BB9-3A5BA7733823@bakno.com> Message-ID: <87DC183C-76A4-4196-BAAC-18934F1251F4@bakno.com> Please excuse my last post. I should have deleted the mailing thread and subject. Here it goes again... Dear Revolutionaries I am very proud of our latest game title called "Xplorer" Please check it here... http://www.bakno.com/Xplorer/index.html This is our highest production game ever. Just a sample of the good things we can all do with Runtime Revolution. Regards, Andres Martinez www.baKno.com From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 02:55:59 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:55:59 +0100 Subject: RR in Wine In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0810031037k1f2e038fg7ba38fe3b2bd0961@mail.gmail.com> References: <19800365.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810031037k1f2e038fg7ba38fe3b2bd0961@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Mikey, I've been using Linux since SuSE 5.3 (must be 10 years ago). Whilst many things on the server side required some tinkering in the past, that just got better and better. But the desktop side was woeful. It required someone with incredible patience to put up with it (in that first year of using Linux I remember my joy, after weeks of trying, when I finally got XWindows to work, even though it looked terrible because of the video resolution).. Whilst every year Linux advocates said 'this is the year of the linux desktop', I never believed them and it never transpired. But what I've seen on my Acer Aspire One has amazed me. Everything works. In fact, I get better wireless reception on that piece of el cheapo kit than I get on my powerbook, my ibook, or my compaq Laptop. (My powerbook often loses the signal; the ibook can't even find the network.) Once I enabled the full desktop on the AA1 (it required editing a couple of lines in a file), and had access to the Fedora repositories I could install things like Erlang and Smalltalk in a couple of clicks. Python and perl were already pre-installed. As was OpenOffice. A couple more clicks, and I was printing to PDF, just like in OS X. Multiple desktops, just like OS X (I know *nix had them before OS X). It is great to finally be using a Linux laptop: I've been waiting for this day for 10 years. I love OS X, but the laptop prices are pretty outrageous - I could buy 9 AA1s for the price of my 17" powerbook, and the AA1s have all the *nix power, are faster, weigh less, and have better battery life (of course, the screen is much smaller). My AA1 boots to the desktop in 8 seconds, and has everything else started and connected in 40 seconds (including negotating the wireless network connection). My powerbook takes 88 seconds. My Vista laptop (with at least twice the cpu power of the AA1 and the powerbook) takes 114 seconds -- and that's with Aero switched off and no AV (with AV running it was taking so long to copy files and to extract from archives that it was driving me crazy). On the AA1 I'm running Lotus Notes under WINE. I would say that WINE is working even better than Windows, because Notes is just as fast as on native Windows, but there's no fear of viruses. I installed a few more pieces of Windows software in WINE - they all worked (with the sole exception of Rev). WINE is an amazing achievement. I never thought they would get there but they have. I'm sending them the cost of a Windows license, because otherwise I would not have been able to run Notes on my AA1. I made a few observations on my visit to the pc store. On day 3 of that week I went to look at the Asus, knowing that I needed a very lightweight laptop, but my memory was that the Asus was just not of adequate quality. Whilst in the store I saw the AA1, and thought 'finally, something with a reasonable build quality'. The Asus and the AA1 were the only two UMPCs on display. On day 4, I went back to check that Rev would work on the AA1, and as it appeared to do so I bought it. When paying for it (in an otherwise empty store), the people behind me were also buying an AA1. On day 7, I went back to get something else, and now the store had a whole section displaying UMPCs - about 8 in total (mostly Linux). That store carries at most 2 kinds of Mac. It's quite clear that these UMPCs are satisfying a huge unanticipated market. Of course, some of them come with Windows pre-installed (hard to know what the percentages are, and hard to know just how much leverage MS has exerted to ensure that happens -- look at what happened with OLPC). Nevertheless, it's clear from looking at the AA1's user forums that a lot of new people are being introduced to linux this way. There are currently 7585 posts from Linux users vs 2849 from Windows users. Bernard On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Mikey wrote: > Well, as long as this has morphed into a Linux discussion, here we go. > > 1) On the bad news side, the most annoying thing is the lack of > hardware drivers for various gear, and the need to therefore work > around some of those issues. On this lappie, there isn't a straight > wireless radio driver, so I'm reading through several threads on how > to fix that - time that I'd rather spend doing something else. There > isn't a native driver for my mouse, so one of the things I'm used to > being able to do with it (and I just do by instinct) causes something > entirely different to happen instead. A couple of printer brands > don't work. For as much help as most of the forums are, there is a > lot of time to be invested and unfortunately some dead ends that are > there. Some applications don't run on it, even virtualized, > apparently. > > 2) On the good news side, this machine is a POC. It really is. It's > using a chipset and motherboard that's 4 years old (even though the > machine was new last year). When I have to get into Vista, I yearn to > return to Linux. It is SO DAMN FAST by comparison. Holy crap is it > fast. It is hard to believe ow slow Vista (and even XP are) compared > to Linux. It's unbelievable. There are also nifty things built in > (that run fast) that I don't ever remember seeing in Windoze. > > So, I'm hoping that we can get everything resolved, because I know > that I have to replace my old lappie shortly. Thankfully I've been so > busy the last few days doing things that I can easily do in Linux that > I haven't had to think about it. Hopefully it will stay that way. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From baleareninsel at gmx.net Sat Oct 4 03:42:21 2008 From: baleareninsel at gmx.net (Horst) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 00:42:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AW: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE In-Reply-To: <89EBA49047E84532868445461C84BA5D@Kestner.local> References: <9BFBD44A-4E10-49A8-8F2D-A39EB1D930D1@derbrill.de> <89EBA49047E84532868445461C84BA5D@Kestner.local> Message-ID: <19809843.post@talk.nabble.com> Hey Malte, That's the trick! Speeds up a lot! Nice to know, that there are some experts somewhere :) Hey Tiemo, now it's funny to work again. Thanks for opening that question again :) "Steter Tropfen h?hlt den Stein" Horst Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote: > > Wow, Malte, you are a 3 star expert :) > That was the clue, now everything runs like a canon ball :) > Obviously the prefs wanted to do something with any old plugins I had > bound > sometimes in the past but deleted the wrong way... > Many thanks - you saved my day! > Tiemo > >> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- >> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Malte Brill >> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Oktober 2008 10:05 >> An: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Betreff: Re: Slow down of the 3.0 IDE >> >> Tiemo, >> >> it might be worth a try to delete revPreferences.rev (while rev is >> closed) >> >> In the messagebox type: >> >> put the filename of stack "revPreferences" >> >> to get the full path. Now close rev to delete that file and restart. >> But maybe you tried that already? >> >> All the best, >> >> Malte >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Slow-down-of-the-3.0-IDE-tp19774666p19809843.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From geradamas at yahoo.com Sat Oct 4 04:36:38 2008 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 01:36:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Keyboard conversancy. Message-ID: <797467.75321.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Having an awful problem with children who are not conversant with the standard English-speaking keyboard layout (QWERTYUIOP); this slowing down their use of my programs for content reinforcement (fancy terminology for Grammar practise). Popped together a program to help them become conversant with the keyboard which involved making an alphabet of KeyCaps. The images are now available in the FILES section; there is a sample in the PHOTOS section of: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RMimages/?yguid=254544547 the stack "KEYBOARDER.rev" is available via revOnline under 'Richmond'. The stack only has proviso for practising lower-case letters; however it can be easily adapted for whatever (punctuation, numbers, etc.) is required. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From toncardona at mac.com Sat Oct 4 04:54:58 2008 From: toncardona at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Melit=F3n_Cardona_Torres?=) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:54:58 +0200 Subject: Mac vs. Windows Message-ID: <5183C895-180E-40D4-B553-4AB26321D5CA@mac.com> A real mystery: put "ftp://ftp_celerlex at celerlex.com:tonx3333 at ftp.strato.com/" into myURL makes a connection in a Mac compilation, but not in a Windows one. Yet, if a compare the string with the mactoISO of the string, they are identical. How come one connects and the other (Windows) does not? Any ideas or is it a bug? Thanks in advance Ton From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Oct 4 04:59:23 2008 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 01:59:23 -0700 Subject: Mac vs. Windows Message-ID: <48E7306B.5060407@fourthworld.com> Melit?n Cardona Torres wrote: > A real mystery: > > put "ftp://ftp_celerlex at celerlex.com:tonx3333 at ftp.strato.com/" into > myURL > > makes a connection in a Mac compilation, but not in a Windows one. > > Yet, if a compare the string with the mactoISO of the string, they are > identical. > > How come one connects and the other (Windows) does not? > > Any ideas or is it a bug? Could it be that Windows or some third-party utility is preventing URLs with embedded passwords? I know MSIE started blocking web pages with embedded passwords some years ago. I wonder if they've extended that to the OS level, perhaps overidable in a Control Panel or some such. Just a hunch. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat Oct 4 05:04:24 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:04:24 +0200 Subject: Mac vs. Windows In-Reply-To: <5183C895-180E-40D4-B553-4AB26321D5CA@mac.com> References: <5183C895-180E-40D4-B553-4AB26321D5CA@mac.com> Message-ID: <9D213A5D-33DB-47D1-97CE-057D0695B0EB@economy-x-talk.com> Ton, You already posted this question. It would be useful if you quoted the previous message and kept the subject of the thread unchanged until the problem is solved. What kind of error do you get? Is the result empty, after issueing the command? What syntax have you tried to check for problems? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 4 okt 2008, at 10:54, Melit?n Cardona Torres wrote: > A real mystery: > > put "ftp://ftp_celerlex at celerlex.com:tonx3333 at ftp.strato.com/" into > myURL > > makes a connection in a Mac compilation, but not in a Windows one. > > Yet, if a compare the string with the mactoISO of the string, they > are identical. > > How come one connects and the other (Windows) does not? > > Any ideas or is it a bug? > > Thanks in advance > > Ton From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Sat Oct 4 05:45:56 2008 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:45:56 +0100 Subject: Mac vs. Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <695B44B7-7D97-4855-B9FD-2E67991AFC6A@lacscentre.co.uk> On 3 Oct 2008, at 17:36, Melit?n Cardona Torres wrote: > I use this: > > put "ftp://ftp_myFTP at myFTP.com:keyx33 at ftp.company.com/" into gNewURL > > and I get a connection to the FTP in the Mac compilation, but not in > the Windows one. > > Any ideas? Try using urlEncode() on the name and password parts. Ex: put urlEncode("tp_myFTP at myFTP.com") into tName put urlEncode("tkeyx33") into tPass put "ftp://" & tName & ":" & tPass & "ftp.company.com/" into gNewUrl But I'm not sure why your example would work on Mac and not Windows. Dave From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Oct 4 11:51:41 2008 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:51:41 -0700 Subject: Time for a break Message-ID: <551796107656.20081004085141@ahsoftware.net> You know you've been doing too much coding when: ...you're in the middle of writing an email message and you press the tab key to format a paragraph... -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mpetrides at earthlink.net Sat Oct 4 12:01:06 2008 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 11:01:06 -0500 Subject: Time for a break In-Reply-To: <551796107656.20081004085141@ahsoftware.net> References: <551796107656.20081004085141@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: ROTFLWTIME On Oct 4, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > You know you've been doing too much coding when: > > ...you're in the middle of writing an email message and you press the > tab key to format a paragraph... > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Sat Oct 4 12:27:29 2008 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 17:27:29 +0100 Subject: Time for a break In-Reply-To: <551796107656.20081004085141@ahsoftware.net> References: <551796107656.20081004085141@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: On 4 Oct 2008, at 16:51, Mark Wieder wrote: > You know you've been doing too much coding when: > > ...you're in the middle of writing an email message and you press the > tab key to format a paragraph... Or when you hit Enter twice to close a window. Dave From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Oct 4 13:38:41 2008 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 12:38:41 -0500 Subject: Time for a break In-Reply-To: <551796107656.20081004085141@ahsoftware.net> References: <551796107656.20081004085141@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <48E7AA21.6000709@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Wieder wrote: > You know you've been doing too much coding when: > > ...you're in the middle of writing an email message and you press the > tab key to format a paragraph... > LOL!! I've done that! In BBEdit. :) And then was puzzled for a moment when it didn't work. That's so funny. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From toncardona at mac.com Sat Oct 4 14:07:41 2008 From: toncardona at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Melit=F3n_Cardona_Torres?=) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 20:07:41 +0200 Subject: Mac vs. Windows Message-ID: First of all, thanks to all of you. The problem is now solved: instead of ftp_celerlex at celerlex.com one should use (in Windows) ftp_celerlex%40celerlex.com No comment. Ton From paulgabel at comcast.net Sat Oct 4 16:48:53 2008 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:48:53 -0700 Subject: Notification of internet use in Rev standalone Message-ID: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> Hi everybody: My stack structure is a mainstack splash screen and three substacks. Within a Rev standalone, is there any way to be notified if the user opens a web browser or attempts to write an email with a non-Rev application? Is there any way to prevent it? "on resumeStack" is not helpful in my case, as, if placed in the mainstack (which is hidden by now), it is not triggered when I come back from a web browser. I can't place "on resumeStack" in a substack, because I am constantly going back and forth between them, and, even in a standalone, it is triggered. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions (or even being told to forget the whole idea). Paul Gabel Mac OS X 10.5.5 Rev 3.0 From chipp at chipp.com Sat Oct 4 17:26:30 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 16:26:30 -0500 Subject: Mac vs. Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <665591460810041426u359a156cibd7f1d0f3bce1ddf@mail.gmail.com> I use the @ sign all the time when accessing ftp on Windows XP and Vista. I'm not sure what your problem is. From revdev at pdslabs.net Sat Oct 4 17:27:35 2008 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 14:27:35 -0700 Subject: Notification of internet use in Rev standalone In-Reply-To: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> References: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48E7DFC7.4030007@pdslabs.net> Hi Paul, The "suspend" and "resume" messages might be more what you're looking for. They're sent when your Rev app loses/gains focus as the frontmost app currently running. There's always shell() to get info from the OS. For example, to get all apps in the "Applications" folder that are running, you can do this: on mouseUp put shell("ps -A") into tData filter tData with "*/Applications/*" put tData into fld 1 end mouseUp Then you would at least what apps are running. On the Mac there's probably something you can do with AppleScript to find out what's running, but someone else will have to address that. The only way I can think of to really prevent net access outside of Rev is to run a proxy server on the client that is set up to do that. If you'll be using shell() much, you might find this Rev plug-in useful: http://pdslabs.net/stacks/Shell_Command_Help.rev.zip HTH - Phil Davis Paul Gabel wrote: > Hi everybody: > > My stack structure is a mainstack splash screen and three substacks. > Within a Rev standalone, is there any way to be notified if the user > opens a web browser or attempts to write an email with a non-Rev > application? Is there any way to prevent it? > > "on resumeStack" is not helpful in my case, as, if placed in the > mainstack (which is hidden by now), it is not triggered when I come > back from a web browser. I can't place "on resumeStack" in a substack, > because I am constantly going back and forth between them, and, even > in a standalone, it is triggered. > > I would greatly appreciate any suggestions (or even being told to > forget the whole idea). > > Paul Gabel > Mac OS X 10.5.5 > Rev 3.0 -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net From shoreagent at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 18:35:26 2008 From: shoreagent at gmail.com (william humphrey) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:35:26 -0400 Subject: Faxing (again) In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0806271211n7112f911r22aa0a85db3360e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e0806271211n7112f911r22aa0a85db3360e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459b22a90810041535p64cca516x40b5f7fd466df714@mail.gmail.com> Hey did anyone ever answer this question? I'd like to do the same thing using MAC OS X and a laptop that has a modem. On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Mikey wrote: > All, > About a year ago I was asking about faxing from RR, and the one or two > responses I got essentially said you just set the printer to the fax driver > and go - ok, but how do you set the sub-preferences, e.g. the destination, > cover page, etc.? > > -- > Jonathan Swift - "May you live every day of your life." > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com From shoreagent at gmail.com Sat Oct 4 18:43:08 2008 From: shoreagent at gmail.com (william humphrey) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:43:08 -0400 Subject: Faxing (again) In-Reply-To: <459b22a90810041535p64cca516x40b5f7fd466df714@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e0806271211n7112f911r22aa0a85db3360e0@mail.gmail.com> <459b22a90810041535p64cca516x40b5f7fd466df714@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459b22a90810041543h4c8035d1u9b7790b8fddae03d@mail.gmail.com> I notice that in OS X 10.4.11 the way you send a fax is part of the PDF sub-menu when you print. Automating this process would require knowing how set these when using a print command from within Rev as there is no built-in Rev functions for this. On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 6:35 PM, william humphrey wrote: > Hey did anyone ever answer this question? I'd like to do the same thing > using MAC OS X and a laptop that has a modem. > > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Mikey wrote: > >> All, >> About a year ago I was asking about faxing from RR, and the one or two >> responses I got essentially said you just set the printer to the fax >> driver >> and go - ok, but how do you set the sub-preferences, e.g. the destination, >> cover page, etc.? >> >> -- >> Jonathan Swift - "May you live every day of your life." >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.bluewatermaritime.com > -- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com From harrison at all-auctions.com Sat Oct 4 20:57:05 2008 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 20:57:05 -0400 Subject: Notification of internet use in Rev standalone In-Reply-To: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> References: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Paul, Isn't this like spyware? I'm sure there is probably a way to do it, but why do you want to do it? If you are looking for ways to protect your software there are a few methods you can use that don't involve creating spyware. Let me know! Rick On Oct 4, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Paul Gabel wrote: > Hi everybody: > > My stack structure is a mainstack splash screen and three substacks. > Within a Rev standalone, is there any way to be notified if the user > opens a web browser or attempts to write an email with a non-Rev > application? Is there any way to prevent it? > > "on resumeStack" is not helpful in my case, as, if placed in the > mainstack (which is hidden by now), it is not triggered when I come > back from a web browser. I can't place "on resumeStack" in a > substack, because I am constantly going back and forth between them, > and, even in a standalone, it is triggered. > > I would greatly appreciate any suggestions (or even being told to > forget the whole idea). > > Paul Gabel > Mac OS X 10.5.5 > Rev 3.0 > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 09:00:25 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:00:25 +0300 Subject: 3.0 for Linux is 8% slower than 2.6.1 ? Message-ID: As I can notice several flickerings of IDE components with 3.0 in Linux, yet in Vista the same flickerings are much faster (and therefore barely noticeable), I wondered if there was some speed difference between the old and the new versions of the engines. I threw together a quick test that seems to show that there is an 8% slowdown in the newer Linux version. I've entered it as a bug, and if anyone else would like to correct my results, the stack is attached to the bug report: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7274 When I ran the same test stack on Vista, there seems to be a 30% increase in speed between 2.7.4 and 3.0. Incidentally, I had to use the u3 2.7.4 version of Revolution on Vista, since they've decided to only give us direct access to the latest versions on each platform. Maybe 2.7.4 for u3 is much slower than 2.6.1 for Windows, but I don't have any old versions here to test out. All the tests were done with no other applications but Rev running. Bernard From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Sun Oct 5 09:36:42 2008 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:36:42 +0000 Subject: Time for a break Message-ID: <000323E9.48E8DF09@the-office.us> That?s happening to me so often, but i thought i am the only one. Good to now there are others out there... Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Time for a break (04-Okt-2008 17:57) From: Mark Wieder To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > You know you've been doing too much coding when: > > ...you're in the middle of writing an email message and you press the > tab key to format a paragraph... > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From shoreagent at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 09:37:54 2008 From: shoreagent at gmail.com (william humphrey) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 09:37:54 -0400 Subject: Faxing (again) In-Reply-To: <459b22a90810041543h4c8035d1u9b7790b8fddae03d@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e0806271211n7112f911r22aa0a85db3360e0@mail.gmail.com> <459b22a90810041535p64cca516x40b5f7fd466df714@mail.gmail.com> <459b22a90810041543h4c8035d1u9b7790b8fddae03d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459b22a90810050637y40093e41he7e56d7079e6c20@mail.gmail.com> Does anyone know of a productivity stack which includes he ability to send faxes using the Mac OS modom? From lists at futilism.com Sun Oct 5 10:11:29 2008 From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:11:29 +0100 Subject: Faxing (again) In-Reply-To: <459b22a90810050637y40093e41he7e56d7079e6c20@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e0806271211n7112f911r22aa0a85db3360e0@mail.gmail.com> <459b22a90810041535p64cca516x40b5f7fd466df714@mail.gmail.com> <459b22a90810041543h4c8035d1u9b7790b8fddae03d@mail.gmail.com> <459b22a90810050637y40093e41he7e56d7079e6c20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: William, have look here for hints on faxing using the command line (doable as a shell call). http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031128150928128 Best, Mark On 5 Oct 2008, at 14:37, william humphrey wrote: > Does anyone know of a productivity stack which includes he ability > to send > faxes using the Mac OS modom? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun Oct 5 11:04:30 2008 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 08:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: virtual desktops in linux, very weird Message-ID: <19825390.post@talk.nabble.com> OK, finally tested this on exactly the same machine, but with WindowMaker and Fluxbox. In both cases it works fine. You can put either the dictionary, the stack you're working on, the editor, the property inspector all on different windows. You can then drag and create a button lets say, do 'edit script' and when you flip back to the workspace where the script editor is, there it is waiting to be edited. If memory is correct, this was also the situation with 2.9. Maybe this was why I at first thought it was working, must have been using Fluxbox. Yet on Gnome it doesn't work at all. You can move windows to other desktops, but as soon as you go to the other desktop, back they flash to the one with the Rev menubar on it. It will probably not work on KDE as it did not in 2.9 either. How can this be, that it works in WM and Fluxbox, but not in Gnome, when nothing else has changed? This is apart from the WM being used, exactly the same config in all cases. I am not restarting, just signing off and then signing on again. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/virtual-desktops-in-linux%2C-very-weird-tp19825390p19825390.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Sun Oct 5 11:38:47 2008 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 17:38:47 +0200 Subject: 3.0 for Linux is 8% slower than 2.6.1 ? Message-ID: <48E8DF87.5030200@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Bernard Devlin bdrunrev at gmail.com wrote: > I wondered if there was some speed difference between the old > and the new versions of the engines. I threw together a quick test that > seems to show that there is an 8% slowdown in the newer Linux version. > > I've entered it as a bug, and if anyone else would like to correct my > results, the stack is attached to the bug report: > http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7274 > > > Bernard Downloaded your test stack and could open it under WindowsXP, but could not get it to run. Could you provide a version of your stack that is able to run tests for platforms other than Linux, too? Best regards, Wilhelm Sanke From coiin at rcn.com Sun Oct 5 11:58:41 2008 From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:58:41 -0400 Subject: 3.0 for Linux is 8% slower than 2.6.1 ? In-Reply-To: <48E8DF87.5030200@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <48E8DF87.5030200@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <2D652E7B-87CC-42AC-9F9D-B2E922C9FCFF@rcn.com> On Oct 5, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > Downloaded your test stack and could open it under WindowsXP, but > could not get it to run. > > Could you provide a version of your stack that is able to run tests > for platforms other than Linux, too? The file downloaded named as perf-test-leg.rev.sh. You would want to rename it to perf-test-leg.rev. When you run it, it takes 80 seconds before anything happens, and over 6 minutes to do the whole test. On my Mac the numbers it showed were 21. I guess that lower is better? From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 13:06:25 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:06:25 +0300 Subject: 3.0 for Linux is 8% slower than 2.6.1 ? In-Reply-To: <2D652E7B-87CC-42AC-9F9D-B2E922C9FCFF@rcn.com> References: <48E8DF87.5030200@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <2D652E7B-87CC-42AC-9F9D-B2E922C9FCFF@rcn.com> Message-ID: I've no idea why it would download as *.sh. It was uploaded as *.rev. The stack doesn't just run under Linux, it runs under Vista (as I think I said in my original post). For some reason, I couldn't open it under OS X PPC (although I didn't think endian issues affected Rev stacks). It has a loop that repeats an exponential number of times, adding lines of random numbers to a list. It just records how long the script takes to run each time. There are a series of 'send in times' so that the results can be averaged, and it can be run whilst nothing else is running. I would think the script in the 'start' button is pretty self-explanatory. If anyone else has any other benchmarks, I'd be grateful to see them. Mine seems pretty simple to me, and tests nothing more than a few functions, looping and adding to lists. It will only make any sense if you run the script on the same hardware, using a version of Rev >= 3 and a version of Rev < 3. Bernard On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > > On Oct 5, 2008, at 11:38 AM, Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > > Downloaded your test stack and could open it under WindowsXP, but could >> not get it to run. >> >> Could you provide a version of your stack that is able to run tests for >> platforms other than Linux, too? >> > > > The file downloaded named as perf-test-leg.rev.sh. You would want to > rename it to perf-test-leg.rev. When you run it, it takes 80 seconds before > anything happens, and over 6 minutes to do the whole test. > > On my Mac the numbers it showed were 21. I guess that lower is better? > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 13:49:00 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:49:00 +0300 Subject: virtual desktops in linux, very weird In-Reply-To: <19825390.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <19825390.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: To be honest Peter, I do have sympathy for Rev in this regard. The number of desktop/WM programs is quite varied in Linux compared with say Windows or OS X. I know that there are a small percentage of Windows users who might run weird desktops/application launchers instead of the Explorer interface, and maybe the same thing can be done for OS X. But they are a tiny percentage, and it is reasonable that things might break with these exceptions. Yet much of the terrain of Linux is varied (as you have pointed out a few days ago), so there are just a lot more exceptions. I don't think it is reasonable for me to expect Runrev to test out every permutation on Linux. For example, today I entered a bug report because the File Open window works correctly in Debian/Ubuntu, but doesn't work correctly in Fedora 8. I marked it as 'minor', because there is a workaround (don't use that part of File Open, or don't use Fedora 8). That's fine for us developers working within the IDE, not so fine for end users. I'm assuming that Runrev's developers have used a standard API call to show the open file dialog. And probably they tested it worked in Ubuntu or Debian. I can't really blame them if that same API call doesn't work in Fedora (even if the API seems to work for every other app in Fedora). Also, I note in http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5789 that Rev seems to exhibit different behaviour in Ubuntu than in Debian or Fedora, with regard to the initial and subsequent position of the menubar on startup. I don't know again if this is due to a Linux API being inconsistent, or if there is some conditional coding inside Rev to make it behave in different ways depending on the environment it is running within. It would be nice if multiple virtual desktops worked with the IDE. I know it works for the windows of other Linux apps, and I've heard Rev works with OS X's virtual desktops. But I'm focussing my energy on the fact that Rev 3.0 hangs, crashes and leaks memory. I've given up for lost the hope of having it work on virtual desktops. I'm going to use an external editor with stsmlxEditor, and I have Bjoernke's docu working as a standalone so I don't have to position the dictionary. Bernard On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 6:04 PM, Peter Alcibiades < palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > OK, finally tested this on exactly the same machine, but with WindowMaker > and > Fluxbox. In both cases it works fine. You can put either the dictionary, > the stack you're working on, the editor, the property inspector all on > different windows. You can then drag and create a button lets say, do > 'edit > script' and when you flip back to the workspace where the script editor is, > there it is waiting to be edited. If memory is correct, this was also the > situation with 2.9. Maybe this was why I at first thought it was working, > must have been using Fluxbox. > > Yet on Gnome it doesn't work at all. You can move windows to other > desktops, but as soon as you go to the other desktop, back they flash to > the > one with the Rev menubar on it. It will probably not work on KDE as it did > not in 2.9 either. > > How can this be, that it works in WM and Fluxbox, but not in Gnome, when > nothing else has changed? This is apart from the WM being used, exactly the > same config in all cases. I am not restarting, just signing off and then > signing on again. > -- > View this message in context: > http://www.nabble.com/virtual-desktops-in-linux%2C-very-weird-tp19825390p19825390.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From barryb at libero.it Sun Oct 5 13:56:00 2008 From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 19:56:00 +0200 Subject: Time for a break Message-ID: Mark Wieder wrote: > You know you've been doing too much coding when: > > ...you're in the middle of writing an email message and you >press the tab key to format a paragraph... You probably will not believe this one but its true! When drawing in a graphics app I constantly keep two fingers over control+Z to cancel the last drawn or painted line to correct my mistakes. When I turned to real-world modelling in clay and my hand slipped, I actually reached for the non existant keys! Habits are hard to loose! Barry Barber From paulgabel at comcast.net Sun Oct 5 14:52:39 2008 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:52:39 -0700 Subject: Notification of internet use in Rev standalone In-Reply-To: References: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Rick: I'm developing a rev app named ExamMaster where users take exams on a Mac (perhaps unsupervised), and I want to deter them from looking up answers on the internet. I certainly don't think of this as "spyware." Paul Gabel -------------- On Oct 4, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Isn't this like spyware? > > I'm sure there is probably a way to do it, but why do you want to do > it? > If you are looking for ways to protect your software there are a few > methods you can use that don't involve creating spyware. > > Let me know! > > Rick > > > On Oct 4, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Paul Gabel wrote: > >> Hi everybody: >> >> My stack structure is a mainstack splash screen and three >> substacks. Within a Rev standalone, is there any way to be notified >> if the user opens a web browser or attempts to write an email with >> a non-Rev application? Is there any way to prevent it? >> >> "on resumeStack" is not helpful in my case, as, if placed in the >> mainstack (which is hidden by now), it is not triggered when I come >> back from a web browser. I can't place "on resumeStack" in a >> substack, because I am constantly going back and forth between >> them, and, even in a standalone, it is triggered. >> >> I would greatly appreciate any suggestions (or even being told to >> forget the whole idea). >> >> Paul Gabel >> Mac OS X 10.5.5 >> Rev 3.0 >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From paulgabel at comcast.net Sun Oct 5 14:55:43 2008 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 11:55:43 -0700 Subject: Notification of internet use in Rev standalone In-Reply-To: <48E7DFC7.4030007@pdslabs.net> References: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> <48E7DFC7.4030007@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <7BF290F4-FBE4-44E7-BD52-8B46848EB74E@comcast.net> Thanks, Phil. Your suggestions look useful. I'll try them out. Paul Gabel -------------- On Oct 4, 2008, at 2:27 PM, Phil Davis wrote: > Hi Paul, > > The "suspend" and "resume" messages might be more what you're > looking for. They're sent when your Rev app loses/gains focus as the > frontmost app currently running. > > There's always shell() to get info from the OS. For example, to get > all apps in the "Applications" folder that are running, you can do > this: > > on mouseUp > put shell("ps -A") into tData > filter tData with "*/Applications/*" > put tData into fld 1 > end mouseUp > > Then you would at least what apps are running. > > > On the Mac there's probably something you can do with AppleScript to > find out what's running, but someone else will have to address that. > > The only way I can think of to really prevent net access outside of > Rev is to run a proxy server on the client that is set up to do that. > > If you'll be using shell() much, you might find this Rev plug-in > useful: > http://pdslabs.net/stacks/Shell_Command_Help.rev.zip > > HTH - > Phil Davis > > > Paul Gabel wrote: >> Hi everybody: >> >> My stack structure is a mainstack splash screen and three >> substacks. Within a Rev standalone, is there any way to be notified >> if the user opens a web browser or attempts to write an email with >> a non-Rev application? Is there any way to prevent it? >> >> "on resumeStack" is not helpful in my case, as, if placed in the >> mainstack (which is hidden by now), it is not triggered when I come >> back from a web browser. I can't place "on resumeStack" in a >> substack, because I am constantly going back and forth between >> them, and, even in a standalone, it is triggered. >> >> I would greatly appreciate any suggestions (or even being told to >> forget the whole idea). >> >> Paul Gabel >> Mac OS X 10.5.5 >> Rev 3.0 > -- > Phil Davis > > PDS Labs > Professional Software Development > http://pdslabs.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From tereza at califex.com Sun Oct 5 14:58:31 2008 From: tereza at califex.com (Tereza Snyder) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 13:58:31 -0500 Subject: Time for a break In-Reply-To: <551796107656.20081004085141@ahsoftware.net> References: <551796107656.20081004085141@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <5F1E00DE-EA81-4CA5-9AA5-BA263DB9CA82@califex.com> On Oct 4, 2008, at 10:51 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > You know you've been doing too much coding when: > > ...you're in the middle of writing an email message and you press the > tab key to format a paragraph... > In the current issue of The Atlantic, in the "Word Fugitives" column: > > > Now Michael McWatters, of New York City, writes, ?I use a computer > for the better part of my waking life, and I?ve noticed that certain > repetitive keyboard tasks are making their way into my noncomputer > life. For example, I recently knocked a jar off the counter, and a > little voice inside yelped, Command-Z! (the keyboard shortcut for > Undo). Ditto for the time I accidentally ripped a page in a book. A > friend mentioned that she recently lost her keys and thought, > Command-F (Find). There should be a term for this confusion, as it?s > only going to become more common.? t -- Tereza Snyder Califex Software, Inc. From pepetoo at cox.net Sun Oct 5 15:03:01 2008 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 12:03:01 -0700 Subject: Notification of internet use in Rev standalone In-Reply-To: References: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Paul, At one point, I was just curious about when my app was being suspended or resumed, so I inserted some noise in those instances; just beeps, but you could do something more elaborate, assuming there was some one in earshot, or perhaps, write something to a special file when this happened; something you could check on later possibly? If this makes any sense, Joe Wilkins On Oct 5, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Paul Gabel wrote: > Hi Rick: > > I'm developing a rev app named ExamMaster where users take exams on > a Mac (perhaps unsupervised), and I want to deter them from looking > up answers on the internet. I certainly don't think of this as > "spyware." > > Paul Gabel > > -------------- > > On Oct 4, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Rick Harrison wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> >> Isn't this like spyware? >> >> I'm sure there is probably a way to do it, but why do you want to >> do it? >> If you are looking for ways to protect your software there are a few >> methods you can use that don't involve creating spyware. >> >> Let me know! >> >> Rick >> >> >> On Oct 4, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Paul Gabel wrote: >> >>> Hi everybody: >>> >>> My stack structure is a mainstack splash screen and three >>> substacks. Within a Rev standalone, is there any way to be >>> notified if the user opens a web browser or attempts to write an >>> email with a non-Rev application? Is there any way to prevent it? >>> >>> "on resumeStack" is not helpful in my case, as, if placed in the >>> mainstack (which is hidden by now), it is not triggered when I >>> come back from a web browser. I can't place "on resumeStack" in a >>> substack, because I am constantly going back and forth between >>> them, and, even in a standalone, it is triggered. >>> >>> I would greatly appreciate any suggestions (or even being told to >>> forget the whole idea). >>> >>> Paul Gabel >>> Mac OS X 10.5.5 >>> Rev 3.0 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See ---------------------------------------- Joe Lewis Wilkins pepetoo at cox.net From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Oct 5 15:02:59 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:02:59 +0200 Subject: Notification of internet use in Rev standalone In-Reply-To: References: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7EFB948F-6990-47E3-93AB-3BE97EF8809D@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Paul, Probably, you should make ExamMaster a kiosk application. Btw, did you get my e-mail? -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 5 okt 2008, at 20:52, Paul Gabel wrote: > Hi Rick: > > I'm developing a rev app named ExamMaster where users take exams on > a Mac (perhaps unsupervised), and I want to deter them from looking > up answers on the internet. I certainly don't think of this as > "spyware." > > Paul Gabel > From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk Sun Oct 5 15:07:13 2008 From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:07:13 +0100 Subject: Time for a break In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48E91061.4020803@harbourhosting.co.uk> barryb at libero.it wrote: > Mark Wieder wrote: >> You know you've been doing too much coding when: >> >> ...you're in the middle of writing an email message and you >press the tab key to format a paragraph... > > > You probably will not believe this one but its true! > > When drawing in a graphics app I constantly keep two fingers over control+Z to cancel the last drawn or painted line to correct my mistakes. When I turned to real-world modelling in clay and my hand slipped, I actually reached for the non existant keys! > > Habits are hard to loose! > Barry Barber No, not hard to believe. In periods of intense Mac use, back in the day, I several times caught myself looking for the Trash icon that surely ought to be in the bottom right hand corner of the real world. ;-) Martin Baxter -- I am Not a Number, I am a free NaN From shoreagent at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 15:34:07 2008 From: shoreagent at gmail.com (william humphrey) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 15:34:07 -0400 Subject: Faxing (again) In-Reply-To: References: <9b408d8e0806271211n7112f911r22aa0a85db3360e0@mail.gmail.com> <459b22a90810041535p64cca516x40b5f7fd466df714@mail.gmail.com> <459b22a90810041543h4c8035d1u9b7790b8fddae03d@mail.gmail.com> <459b22a90810050637y40093e41he7e56d7079e6c20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <459b22a90810051234q52ab5052p31a69c8f267d0c1@mail.gmail.com> Thanks -- I see that hint had 12,000 + views. it would be great if one of those viewers had constructed a RunRev fax stack that I could steal ideas from... On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 10:11 AM, Mark Smith wrote: > William, have look here for hints on faxing using the command line (doable > as a shell call). > > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031128150928128 > > Best, > > Mark > -- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com From shoreagent at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 16:18:49 2008 From: shoreagent at gmail.com (william humphrey) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:18:49 -0400 Subject: script abbreviations Message-ID: <459b22a90810051318y64a28c9dw75cdc20f9c3fba7e@mail.gmail.com> Where is there a list of script abbreviations? It should be in the help dictionary somewhere. For example I know that itemDelimiter has an abbreviation but when you look it up you'd think it would be stated there in the definition but no. From benr_mc at cogapp.com Sun Oct 5 16:36:54 2008 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:36:54 +0100 Subject: Mac vs. Windows In-Reply-To: <665591460810041426u359a156cibd7f1d0f3bce1ddf@mail.gmail.com> References: <665591460810041426u359a156cibd7f1d0f3bce1ddf@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E92566.1010903@cogapp.com> Chipp Walters wrote: > I use the @ sign all the time when accessing ftp on Windows XP and Vista. > I'm not sure what your problem is. I think the problem is that the '@' sign is used in a convention that allows the username and password to be folded into the ftp URL; ie ftp://username:password at machine/path In Ton's case, the username includes an @ sign. The code has to parse the string into those five parts (protocol, username, password, machine, path). If there are two '@' signs in the string, that's ambiguous. Arguably the surprise isn't that it throws things off on Windows; it's more surprising that it works on Mac. Certainly I think it's surprising that it's different on the two platforms, you'd think that this parsing would be in the libURL transcript code, rather than in some platform-specific engine code. But at any rate, the solution is to urlEncode the username and password when constructing such a URL (which will have the effect of replacing ":" with "%3A", and "@" with "%40"). - Ben From benr_mc at cogapp.com Sun Oct 5 16:40:50 2008 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:40:50 +0100 Subject: Mac vs. Windows In-Reply-To: <48E92566.1010903@cogapp.com> References: <665591460810041426u359a156cibd7f1d0f3bce1ddf@mail.gmail.com> <48E92566.1010903@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <48E92652.8070405@cogapp.com> Ben Rubinstein wrote: > But at any rate, the solution is to urlEncode the username and password > when constructing such a URL (which will have the effect of replacing > ":" with "%3A", and "@" with "%40"). Er... like Dave Cragg already wrote. Must be more careful about the order I read messages... - Ben From benr_mc at cogapp.com Sun Oct 5 16:46:08 2008 From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 21:46:08 +0100 Subject: Auto-complete in the 3.0 script editor Message-ID: <48E92790.4040707@cogapp.com> I'm sure I'll feel a fool once it's pointed out to me, but can someone tell me how to access auto-complete in the new script editor? I assume it hasn't been removed as a feature, since the release notes say it has been improved; but I can't find a reference in the docs at all, the old key combos don't do it, and I can't figure what does. TIA, - Ben From shoreagent at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 16:49:15 2008 From: shoreagent at gmail.com (william humphrey) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 16:49:15 -0400 Subject: Auto-complete in the 3.0 script editor In-Reply-To: <48E92790.4040707@cogapp.com> References: <48E92790.4040707@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <459b22a90810051349s33096c79v886916014a02316a@mail.gmail.com> Good question. From geradamas at yahoo.com Sun Oct 5 17:01:35 2008 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 14:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Visible and extra monitors. Message-ID: <49699.38061.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Chipp Walters wrote: "Dude, Just use my function posted last week: function isStackCurrentlyVisibleOnAnyMonitor pStack --> pStack IS THE SHORT NAME OF STACK if pStack is among the lines of windows() then if not the vis of stack pStack then return false if the blendlevel of stack pStack = 100 then return false repeat for each line L in the screenrects if the topLeft of stack pStack is within L then return true if the topRight of stack pStack is within L then return true if the bottomLeft of stack pStack is within L then return true if the bottomRight of stack pStack is within L then return true end repeat return false else return false end if end isStackCurrentlyVisibleOnAnyMonitor" 2 points here: 1. [OT] where I come from the word 'Dude' carries fairly negative connotations (well, maybe that was your intention), 2. SCREENRECTS - plural was introduced in Runtime Revolution 2.7 (i.e. Richmond spent a long time p*ss*ng around with 2.6.1 wondering what he was doing wrong!!!) This one has probably come up before . . . Possibly, an itemised table showing what commands are available in each version of Runtime Revolution should be drawn up to spare people with early versions a lot of time, and make them stump up the money for newer versions. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From shoreagent at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 17:18:08 2008 From: shoreagent at gmail.com (william humphrey) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 17:18:08 -0400 Subject: Visible and extra monitors. In-Reply-To: <49699.38061.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <49699.38061.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <459b22a90810051418h2d6f0b85yba42bbbd27263337@mail.gmail.com> Dude is surfer talk. The only negative connotation where I come from is all put on the speaker (meaning if you call someone "Dude" then you are from that class of skater boy/surfer/stoner people who call people "Dude"). From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Oct 5 17:20:04 2008 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:20:04 -0500 Subject: script abbreviations In-Reply-To: <459b22a90810051318y64a28c9dw75cdc20f9c3fba7e@mail.gmail.com> References: <459b22a90810051318y64a28c9dw75cdc20f9c3fba7e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48E92F84.6090503@hyperactivesw.com> william humphrey wrote: > Where is there a list of script abbreviations? It should be in the help > dictionary somewhere. For example I know that itemDelimiter has an > abbreviation but when you look it up you'd think it would be stated there in > the definition but no. It's in the synonyms section, above "see also". -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From 3mcgrath at comcast.net Sun Oct 5 20:34:33 2008 From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:34:33 -0400 Subject: Visible and extra monitors. In-Reply-To: <49699.38061.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <49699.38061.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0F68C877-0DDC-46D5-9EFE-1ADAD220AE7A@comcast.net> I have never heard of "Dude" as a negative connotation!!! Richmond, where do you come from that it is? Tom McGrath III On Oct 5, 2008, at 5:01 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > 2 points here: > > 1. [OT] where I come from the word 'Dude' carries fairly negative > connotations (well, maybe that was your intention), From chipp at chipp.com Sun Oct 5 21:37:21 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 20:37:21 -0500 Subject: Mac vs. Windows In-Reply-To: <48E92566.1010903@cogapp.com> References: <665591460810041426u359a156cibd7f1d0f3bce1ddf@mail.gmail.com> <48E92566.1010903@cogapp.com> Message-ID: <665591460810051837q62186d49u466ee4e3a7b9dcb4@mail.gmail.com> Ben, Dave, Thanks for the help. Clear now :-) From shoreagent at gmail.com Sun Oct 5 22:07:44 2008 From: shoreagent at gmail.com (william humphrey) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 22:07:44 -0400 Subject: Fwd: script abbreviations In-Reply-To: <48E92F84.6090503@hyperactivesw.com> References: <459b22a90810051318y64a28c9dw75cdc20f9c3fba7e@mail.gmail.com> <48E92F84.6090503@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <459b22a90810051907i624081b7i51662bbf575b46a4@mail.gmail.com> I see it for each individual thing you look up now. Thanks. I just thought there would be a list of all the synonyms somewhere. From geradamas at yahoo.com Mon Oct 6 00:38:01 2008 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:38:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Visible and extra monitors. Message-ID: <676033.61438.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I come from the North-East of Scotland. Frankly 'Dude' sounds like 'Dud'. However, the point about SCREENRECTS was more important. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Mon Oct 6 00:43:10 2008 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 21:43:10 -0700 Subject: Visible and extra monitors. In-Reply-To: <676033.61438.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <676033.61438.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Perhaps you haven't seen the movie "the Big Lebowski". It explains all about the 'Dude'. :> >I come from the North-East of Scotland. > >Frankly 'Dude' sounds like 'Dud'. > >However, the point about SCREENRECTS was more important. > >sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. > -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From 3mcgrath at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 01:11:56 2008 From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 01:11:56 -0400 Subject: Visible and extra monitors. In-Reply-To: <676033.61438.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <676033.61438.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Agreed, I was just curious. Thanks for answering. Regards, Tom McGrath On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:38 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > However, the point about SCREENRECTS was more important. From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon Oct 6 02:31:08 2008 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 23:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: question about find and replace In-Reply-To: <8186010F-8737-4B53-98F7-02B7CB80FE94@economy-x-talk.com> References: <200809300854.26796.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <8186010F-8737-4B53-98F7-02B7CB80FE94@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <19832624.post@talk.nabble.com> Thanks to everyone for help. A confession though. I'd gone through the replies one evening, and decided to get some sleep and start trying them out in the AM. Its a bit more complicated than the original question, because the numbers are embedded in a huge pile of xml. Anyway, I slept deeply and dreamlessly, and woke with a start, and a lateral idea, which is sort of like what the replies suggest, but done very differently. First thing was to export to a tab delimited file, open in spreadsheet, copy out the column with the numbers into a different file, save as csv. The reopen, and now set the delimiter to "." This puts the components of the number into differerent colums. Now you can use the pad function of the formatter in the spreadsheet to pad them out. Save, and then open them with tab as the delimiter. This, the trick of changing the delimiter to split the column, was really what came from the suggestions, in a lateral way. Then you can copy the new edited column over the old one, in the original spreadsheet, and then re-import back into the original app. Took almost no time, and more important, it was pretty foolproof because of only working on the column to be changed, so no untoward effects. But I would never have got it except for the suggestions, which now all go into the scrapbook for a time when there is no plan B. Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/question-about-find-and-replace-tp19737669p19832624.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From mazzapaolo at libero.it Mon Oct 6 04:49:16 2008 From: mazzapaolo at libero.it (paolo) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:49:16 +0200 Subject: DCAM / IIDC command to control a firewire digital camera In-Reply-To: <19832624.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <200809300854.26796.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <8186010F-8737-4B53-98F7-02B7CB80FE94@economy-x-talk.com> <19832624.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <52DDA8F3-23D6-4FD1-AFF9-FFB15DD4F7C8@libero.it> From Revolution, how can I send DCAM / IIDC commands through the Firewire in order to control a digital camera? From mazzapaolo at libero.it Mon Oct 6 05:11:16 2008 From: mazzapaolo at libero.it (paolo) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:11:16 +0200 Subject: DCAM / IIDC command to control a firewire digital camera In-Reply-To: <52DDA8F3-23D6-4FD1-AFF9-FFB15DD4F7C8@libero.it> References: <200809300854.26796.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <8186010F-8737-4B53-98F7-02B7CB80FE94@economy-x-talk.com> <19832624.post@talk.nabble.com> <52DDA8F3-23D6-4FD1-AFF9-FFB15DD4F7C8@libero.it> Message-ID: <46F454EF-46BB-42F9-854B-33371F31DA6B@libero.it> Dear friends, I would like to control a professional Digital Camera from Revolution. I have to use DCAM protocol. Browsing in Internet, I went through the software Coriander (Unix). Have you any experience with that? Any idea? Thanks a lot Paolo Mazza DCAM DCAM stands for "1394-based Digital Camera Specification" and defines the behavior of cameras that output uncompressed image data without audio. It is a standard, defined by the 1394 Trade Association. The IIDC (Instrumentation and Industrial Control Working Group) is in charge of it. IIDC IIDC is often used synonymously with DCAM. CORIANDER Coriander is a full-featured GUI for IEEE1394, IIDC-compliant (aka DCAM) digital cameras. It includes camera control, video display, saving, FTP and V4L export. http://sourceforge.net/projects/coriander From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 07:45:27 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:45:27 +0300 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live Message-ID: Since I've now had to revert to using Rev 2.6.1 from 3 years ago, I need to convert various stacks to 'legacy format'. After doing this with some of stacks, I then found that they were still in a post 2.7 format. I thought I'd made a mistake and went over it many times using Rev 3.0 and 2.6.1, but the stacks simply wouldn't convert. I was reduced to examining the stacks in a text editor to see that they did indeed say 2.4, but then as soon as I quit Rev 3.0 they would not load in 2.6.1, and looking at them again in a text editor, they were back in 2.7 formt. But yesterday I was able to save my performance test stack in legacy format (maybe it was written on 2.6.1 though, I can't remember). I just opened it in 3.0, and saved it in 2.6.1 as legacy and it remained as legacy after rev 3.0 quit. But here's what I'm seeing with some stacks: [user at localhost ~]$ ls *.rev perf-test-leg.rev test-legacy.rev [user at localhost ~]$ more test-legacy.rev #!/bin/sh # MetaCard 2.4 stack # The following is not ASCII text, # so now would be a good time to q out of more^L [user at localhost ~]$ more test-legacy.rev <<<---- REV 3.0 was quit just before this point REVO2700?revNavigator 1 ?R??global gScriptBuddyIDarray,gScriptBuddyLineArray,gSB UpdateSelection,gSBLeadSpaces I had thought maybe it was because these stacks were in the plugins folder of 2.6.1 that they were being reverted on exit from 3.0. But then I saved one of them to my home directory, and checked it was in 2.4 format. But as soon as I quit Rev 3.0 it was back in 2.7 format (as you can see above). At no point did Rev 3.0 ask me if wanted to save the stacks when I chose to quit, so I can see no reason why they are back in 2.7 format. I tried it on 2.9, and it too re-converted the stack on quitting. Could someone else please confirm this apparently erratic behaviour. I'm starting to doubt my sanity. The particular stacks were the stsmlxEditor and Geoff Canyon's revNavigator. Maybe it is only a Linux thing. I just want to know that saving in legacy format is still working reliably. I have a lot more of my own stacks to convert, and if this doesn't work, I'm stuck with the insanely buggy 3.0 (I have no confidence in 2.9 either - it locked up my laptop yesterday requiring a hard reset). Bernard From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Mon Oct 6 07:56:23 2008 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:56:23 +0200 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E3AAA00-78DF-4A89-B81E-419390F248B0@sosmartsoftware.com> Bonjour Bernard, If you see in your text editor that a stack is not in the legacy format, it means that it has been saved on disk, by yourself OR by a code snippet in the stack itself. I don't use Geoff plugin but I assume that you'll find a 'save this stack' somewhere in Geoff code when closing or quitting. Checking last modified file date will probably confirm that the stack auto saves. Le 6 oct. 08 ? 13:45, Bernard Devlin a ?crit : > Since I've now had to revert to using Rev 2.6.1 from 3 years ago, I > need to > convert various stacks to 'legacy format'. After doing this with > some of > stacks, I then found that they were still in a post 2.7 format. I > thought > I'd made a mistake and went over it many times using Rev 3.0 and > 2.6.1, but > the stacks simply wouldn't convert. I was reduced to examining the > stacks > in a text editor to see that they did indeed say 2.4, but then as > soon as I > quit Rev 3.0 they would not load in 2.6.1, and looking at them > again in a > text editor, they were back in 2.7 formt. But yesterday I was able > to save > my performance test stack in legacy format (maybe it was written on > 2.6.1 > though, I can't remember). I just opened it in 3.0, and saved it > in 2.6.1 > as legacy and it remained as legacy after rev 3.0 quit. > > But here's what I'm seeing with some stacks: > > [user at localhost ~]$ ls *.rev > perf-test-leg.rev test-legacy.rev > [user at localhost ~]$ more test-legacy.rev > #!/bin/sh > # MetaCard 2.4 stack > # The following is not ASCII text, > # so now would be a good time to q out of more^L > [user at localhost ~]$ more test-legacy.rev > <<<---- REV 3.0 was quit just before this point > REVO2700?revNavigator 1 ?R??global > gScriptBuddyIDarray,gScriptBuddyLineArray,gSB > UpdateSelection,gSBLeadSpaces > > I had thought maybe it was because these stacks were in the plugins > folder > of 2.6.1 that they were being reverted on exit from 3.0. But then > I saved > one of them to my home directory, and checked it was in 2.4 > format. But as > soon as I quit Rev 3.0 it was back in 2.7 format (as you can see > above). At > no point did Rev 3.0 ask me if wanted to save the stacks when I > chose to > quit, so I can see no reason why they are back in 2.7 format. I > tried it > on 2.9, and it too re-converted the stack on quitting. > > Could someone else please confirm this apparently erratic > behaviour. I'm > starting to doubt my sanity. The particular stacks were the > stsmlxEditor > and Geoff Canyon's revNavigator. Maybe it is only a Linux thing. > > I just want to know that saving in legacy format is still working > reliably. > I have a lot more of my own stacks to convert, and if this doesn't > work, > I'm stuck with the insanely buggy 3.0 (I have no confidence in 2.9 > either - > it locked up my laptop yesterday requiring a hard reset). Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Oct 6 08:01:38 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:01:38 +0200 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47A281E9-277C-4DFD-A87C-D9B59F389BA4@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Bernard, I'm sorry to read that you have more problems. Apparently, you save the stacks one more time, somehow. Make sure that your scripts don't save the stacks again, when quitting Rev 3.0, or set the Rev preferences to preserve the (legacy) format, or don't click "Save" when Rev asks you whether or not to save the stack. I go back and forth between different versions all the time and never see this problem, although I admit I have to be really careful that I don't accidentally save a stack in the wrong format. Is there anything else that might be relevant to reproduce the problem? I guess you could save a stack and copy it to a different place before quitting Rev 3.0, even though this wouldn't be a very elegant solution. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 6 okt 2008, at 13:45, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Since I've now had to revert to using Rev 2.6.1 from 3 years ago, I > need to > convert various stacks to 'legacy format'. After doing this with > some of > stacks, I then found that they were still in a post 2.7 format. I > thought > I'd made a mistake and went over it many times using Rev 3.0 and > 2.6.1, but > the stacks simply wouldn't convert. I was reduced to examining the > stacks > in a text editor to see that they did indeed say 2.4, but then as > soon as I > quit Rev 3.0 they would not load in 2.6.1, and looking at them again > in a > text editor, they were back in 2.7 formt. But yesterday I was able > to save > my performance test stack in legacy format (maybe it was written on > 2.6.1 > though, I can't remember). I just opened it in 3.0, and saved it in > 2.6.1 > as legacy and it remained as legacy after rev 3.0 quit. > > But here's what I'm seeing with some stacks: > > [user at localhost ~]$ ls *.rev > perf-test-leg.rev test-legacy.rev > [user at localhost ~]$ more test-legacy.rev > #!/bin/sh > # MetaCard 2.4 stack > # The following is not ASCII text, > # so now would be a good time to q out of more^L > [user at localhost ~]$ more test-legacy.rev > <<<---- REV 3.0 was quit just before this point > REVO2700?revNavigator 1 ?R??global > gScriptBuddyIDarray,gScriptBuddyLineArray,gSB > UpdateSelection,gSBLeadSpaces > > I had thought maybe it was because these stacks were in the plugins > folder > of 2.6.1 that they were being reverted on exit from 3.0. But then I > saved > one of them to my home directory, and checked it was in 2.4 format. > But as > soon as I quit Rev 3.0 it was back in 2.7 format (as you can see > above). At > no point did Rev 3.0 ask me if wanted to save the stacks when I > chose to > quit, so I can see no reason why they are back in 2.7 format. I > tried it > on 2.9, and it too re-converted the stack on quitting. > > Could someone else please confirm this apparently erratic > behaviour. I'm > starting to doubt my sanity. The particular stacks were the > stsmlxEditor > and Geoff Canyon's revNavigator. Maybe it is only a Linux thing. > > I just want to know that saving in legacy format is still working > reliably. > I have a lot more of my own stacks to convert, and if this doesn't > work, > I'm stuck with the insanely buggy 3.0 (I have no confidence in 2.9 > either - > it locked up my laptop yesterday requiring a hard reset). > > Bernard From wow at together.net Mon Oct 6 08:56:21 2008 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:56:21 -0400 Subject: Just pondering - Rev CGI & iPhone In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10810010811k2f3965ddv794dccc7c9772342@mail.gmail.com> References: <391AA42D-4933-415A-90A6-9C4CE12BAFC2@ezpzapps.com> <7c87a2a10810010811k2f3965ddv794dccc7c9772342@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Andre, Living in Vermont, I'm in the only state left that has no IPhone service (though that's supposed to change in 60 days or so), so I've not had the chance to play with one. But I could if there was an economic argument to be made for developing an "app" for it. From what I hear you saying, while we can't develop a traditional app for it, we can use Rev to create some interesting browser/Rev cgi- based programs tailored to the IPhone's specific screen. This sounds intriguing. Again, not having used an IPhone, is there anything more you can say on this or am I summarizing the opportunity fairly clearly? Thanks. Richard On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Ciao Sims, > > I've built some pretty sophisticated cgis with revolution and I've > been doing little iPhone stuff. Be aware that you can't sell web apps > in the app store. The app store is for native applications. Ops, I > just re read your email, I understood it wrong. Yes you can do some > pretty nice stuff for iPhone web apps, check the iUI library. > > Cheers > andre > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Jim Sims wrote: >> After fiddling with some Rev CGI stuff here for a couple >> of weeks, I'm wondering how far this might take someone >> towards a sophisticated web app for the iPhone. Just think'in, >> mind you. >> >> They wouldn't be sold via the Apple App store, but that just might >> have some upside, especially when considering the restrictions >> Apple can throw at developers ;-) >> >> I wonder what cool Rev CGI apps already exist out there? >> >> sims >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From harrison at all-auctions.com Mon Oct 6 09:54:55 2008 From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 09:54:55 -0400 Subject: Notification of internet use in Rev standalone In-Reply-To: References: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> Message-ID: <16A9427F-1AE9-4818-82E2-DFA5ABAB2F52@all-auctions.com> On Oct 5, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Paul Gabel wrote: > Hi Rick: > > I'm developing a rev app named ExamMaster where users take exams on > a Mac (perhaps unsupervised), and I want to deter them from looking > up answers on the internet. I certainly don't think of this as > "spyware." > > Paul Gabel > Hi Paul, I think you are trying to take your software too far. You won't be able to guard against the use of internet cell phones especially for exams which are unsupervised. An unsupervised exam also allows students to communicate with each other about the test so they can still get answers even without access to the internet. That is why important exams are always monitored by a teacher. Your software will never be able to take over the important role of the Monitor in the room. Sometimes, teachers make exams so long that the students will not have enough time to answer all of the questions. I once had an open book exam where there were so many questions that you didn't have the time to open the book at all. One just had to know all of the material to be able to answer the questions. Have you built a timer into your exam software so that when the time is up the student can no longer work on it? Good luck with your project! Rick From toolbook at kestner.de Mon Oct 6 10:02:06 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 16:02:06 +0200 Subject: OT: First steps with Valentina ... Message-ID: Hello, I am just making my first steps with valentina, switching from SQLite. So far everything works fine. I created my db, tables, filled the tables with datas, and now I just stuck to get the data out of the DB, because I am not a SQL expert. With SQLite I coded: put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tSqlSting) into tList to get my selected datas as a sting. With Valentina I tried: put VDataBase_SqlSelect(gDBRef, tSqlSting) into tList and I get a cursor back. Now I am missing the command to get the data from this cursor. Or am I on the wrong lane? Thanks for any hint Tiemo From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Oct 6 10:11:44 2008 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:11:44 -0300 Subject: Just pondering - Rev CGI & iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <391AA42D-4933-415A-90A6-9C4CE12BAFC2@ezpzapps.com> <7c87a2a10810010811k2f3965ddv794dccc7c9772342@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10810060711t5ead44d2nae7c69af36dc5ad6@mail.gmail.com> Richard, The iPhone is using a special version of Safari as it's browser. This version has extensions that are specific to the iPhone and allow you to manage screen rotation, gesturing and the like. So you can create really nice web applications for iPhone. Revolution in this case doesn't really help iPhone web applications any more than any other web language out there, the real trick of doing iPhone web applications is the html, css and javascript extensions that allow you to create apps that fit the iPhone human interface guidelines (or at least a pleasant experience) The iPhone app store is making money, but I think it is hard to enter now, I've applied on august and haven't been approved (or rejected) yet. As for web applications, I don't know how to make money from them on the iPhone, I believe if you make a nice service you can pull it out. Something along the lines of evernote.com might do the trick. Evernote has native clients for mac, windows, iphone and also a web app, all sync'd it's very nice. I believe that an easy to use service with an interface made for iPhone and a grown up interface for desktops might be sucessful. Now if we only could use the geolocation api from the web applications, things would get really fun. PS: remember that as apple added extensions for iPhone Safari, it also removed features. For example, there's no input type file in Mobile Safari which sucks since I wanted to do an uploader for the camera pictures... Andre On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Richard Miller wrote: > Hi Andre, > > Living in Vermont, I'm in the only state left that has no IPhone service > (though that's supposed to change in 60 days or so), so I've not had the > chance to play with one. But I could if there was an economic argument to be > made for developing an "app" for it. > > From what I hear you saying, while we can't develop a traditional app for > it, we can use Rev to create some interesting browser/Rev cgi-based programs > tailored to the IPhone's specific screen. This sounds intriguing. Again, not > having used an IPhone, is there anything more you can say on this or am I > summarizing the opportunity fairly clearly? > > Thanks. > Richard > > > On Oct 1, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > >> Ciao Sims, >> >> I've built some pretty sophisticated cgis with revolution and I've >> been doing little iPhone stuff. Be aware that you can't sell web apps >> in the app store. The app store is for native applications. Ops, I >> just re read your email, I understood it wrong. Yes you can do some >> pretty nice stuff for iPhone web apps, check the iUI library. >> >> Cheers >> andre >> >> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:26 AM, Jim Sims wrote: >>> >>> After fiddling with some Rev CGI stuff here for a couple >>> of weeks, I'm wondering how far this might take someone >>> towards a sophisticated web app for the iPhone. Just think'in, >>> mind you. >>> >>> They wouldn't be sold via the Apple App store, but that just might >>> have some upside, especially when considering the restrictions >>> Apple can throw at developers ;-) >>> >>> I wonder what cool Rev CGI apps already exist out there? >>> >>> sims >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription >>> preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Oct 6 10:15:16 2008 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:15:16 -0300 Subject: Notification of internet use in Rev standalone In-Reply-To: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> References: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10810060715n33a050ddt1a35b77cda8d8bae@mail.gmail.com> Paul, make it a kiosk application, there are externals for that. I've built one and Ralf Bitter built another. They are both for Mac OS X and will prevent switching from your app to something else. Andre On Sat, Oct 4, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Paul Gabel wrote: > Hi everybody: > > My stack structure is a mainstack splash screen and three substacks. Within > a Rev standalone, is there any way to be notified if the user opens a web > browser or attempts to write an email with a non-Rev application? Is there > any way to prevent it? > > "on resumeStack" is not helpful in my case, as, if placed in the mainstack > (which is hidden by now), it is not triggered when I come back from a web > browser. I can't place "on resumeStack" in a substack, because I am > constantly going back and forth between them, and, even in a standalone, it > is triggered. > > I would greatly appreciate any suggestions (or even being told to forget the > whole idea). > > Paul Gabel > Mac OS X 10.5.5 > Rev 3.0 > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Oct 6 10:21:31 2008 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:21:31 -0400 Subject: Thrift library? Message-ID: HI, Does anyone have a Thrift library written in Revolution? Regards, -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Mon Oct 6 10:44:54 2008 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:44:54 +0300 Subject: OT: First steps with Valentina ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/6/08 5:02 PM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote: Hi Tiemo, > I am just making my first steps with valentina, switching from SQLite. So > far everything works fine. I created my db, tables, filled the tables with > datas, and now I just stuck to get the data out of the DB, because I am not > a SQL expert. With SQLite I coded: > > put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tSqlSting) into tList > > to get my selected datas as a sting. With Valentina I tried: > > put VDataBase_SqlSelect(gDBRef, tSqlSting) into tList > > and I get a cursor back. Now I am missing the command to get the data from > this cursor. Or am I on the wrong lane? In V4REV API Reference.pdf you can find description of class Vcursor. It have many methods as NextRecord(), Last, First... PrevRecord() GetField() It also have method as GetRecordsAsString(), so you will get back all records of cursor as single string with the specified field and line delimiters. And as I remember exists method similar to revdb_querylist() which return string of records without cursor at all. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From toolbook at kestner.de Mon Oct 6 11:10:26 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:10:26 +0200 Subject: AW: OT: First steps with Valentina ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <22C3E1216C2547A4B311FA8D1D39E086@Kestner.local> Hi Ruslan, thanks for the insight, I'll get into it. BTW, in the V4Rev_3_Reference.pdf is always a " See ValentinaSQL.pdf for details", but I don't find a link to this pdf on your website, only a wiki link. Could you point me to this pdf? Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Ruslan Zasukhin > Gesendet: Montag, 6. Oktober 2008 16:45 > An: use-revolution > Betreff: Re: OT: First steps with Valentina ... > > On 10/6/08 5:02 PM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote: > > Hi Tiemo, > > > I am just making my first steps with valentina, switching from SQLite. > So > > far everything works fine. I created my db, tables, filled the tables > with > > datas, and now I just stuck to get the data out of the DB, because I am > not > > a SQL expert. With SQLite I coded: > > > > put revdb_querylist(,,gConID,tSqlSting) into tList > > > > to get my selected datas as a sting. With Valentina I tried: > > > > put VDataBase_SqlSelect(gDBRef, tSqlSting) into tList > > > > and I get a cursor back. Now I am missing the command to get the data > from > > this cursor. Or am I on the wrong lane? > > In V4REV API Reference.pdf you can find description of class Vcursor. > It have many methods as > > NextRecord(), Last, First... PrevRecord() > > GetField() > > It also have method as GetRecordsAsString(), so you will get back all > records of cursor as single string with the specified field and line > delimiters. > > And as I remember exists method similar to revdb_querylist() which return > string of records without cursor at all. > > > -- > Best regards, > > Ruslan Zasukhin > VP Engineering and New Technology > Paradigma Software, Inc > > Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > [I feel the need: the need for speed] > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Oct 6 11:16:30 2008 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 12:16:30 -0300 Subject: Thrift library? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c87a2a10810060816n7272aab5t8c815a820cd27630@mail.gmail.com> Trevor, that appears very nice. I'd like to have it too. I've though about building a WSDL parser but this appears much cooler. We can use the new 3.0 arrays for the data models. Andre On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > HI, > > Does anyone have a Thrift library > written in Revolution? > > Regards, > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems > ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com > Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com > > Email has been scanned for viruses by Altman Technologies' email management > service - www.altman.co.uk/emailsystems > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Mon Oct 6 11:29:45 2008 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:29:45 +0300 Subject: AW: OT: First steps with Valentina ... In-Reply-To: <22C3E1216C2547A4B311FA8D1D39E086@Kestner.local> Message-ID: On 10/6/08 6:10 PM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote: Hi Tiemo, > Hi Ruslan, > thanks for the insight, I'll get into it. > BTW, in the V4Rev_3_Reference.pdf is always a " See ValentinaSQL.pdf > for details", but I don't find a link to this pdf on your website, only a > wiki link. Could you point me to this pdf? Yes, we have drop SQL.pdf about 2 years ago. Wiki allows us to have most up to date info. So yes you need check -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 12:54:45 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:54:45 +0300 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: <47A281E9-277C-4DFD-A87C-D9B59F389BA4@economy-x-talk.com> References: <47A281E9-277C-4DFD-A87C-D9B59F389BA4@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Eric and Mark, Thanks for your attempts to save my sanity (of course, it could well be too late). I re-started 3.0, loaded stsMLXEditor, found the first guilty-looking 'save this stack', and commented it out... and then 3.0 crashed before I could even save it! Unbelievable. I couldn't face going through every stack and finding every handler that caused a stack to be saved. What I didn't understand is that I have checked 'preserve stack file version on stacks saved in legacy format' in Rev's preferences. Yet it seemed to be ignoring that in these stacks that have several of their own self-saving events. After searching bugzilla I found that it this is indeed broken: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4695. Ken Ray provides a workaround for it: in the MB type: "set the stackFileversion to 2.4;save this stack". After doing that and quitting Rev, the stack is finally in 2.4 and remaining in 2.4. Thanks for your commiserations. I know I must sound like my whining button is stuck on 'loop', but these have been the worst 5 months I've had with Rev in 7 years. Bernard From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Oct 6 13:05:20 2008 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 12:05:20 -0500 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: References: <47A281E9-277C-4DFD-A87C-D9B59F389BA4@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <48EA4550.9010204@hyperactivesw.com> Bernard Devlin wrote: > Eric and Mark, Thanks for your attempts to save my sanity (of course, it > could well be too late). > > I re-started 3.0, loaded stsMLXEditor, found the first guilty-looking 'save > this stack', and commented it out... and then 3.0 crashed before I could > even save it! Unbelievable. I couldn't face going through every stack and > finding every handler that caused a stack to be saved. Write yourself a little script that saves the defaultstack, and avoid the "save" menu item in Rev. Assuming the stack is toplevel and frontmost, something like this: lock messages set the stackfileversion to "2.4" save the defaultstack Rev's "save" menu item does something similar and sets the stackfileversion before saving, according to the rules you set in preferences. If Rev's save is broken you can just write your own. If you have a lot of stacks to convert, put copies of them all in a single folder. Your script can answer folder, get the files, and run a repeat loop containing the above lines of script to save each stack in the list in one go. Lock messages if you do this, just in case. Jacque -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Mon Oct 6 13:07:40 2008 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:07:40 +0200 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: References: <47A281E9-277C-4DFD-A87C-D9B59F389BA4@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <299E4F09-A8C5-4BAD-B923-A4DF2B4967EE@sosmartsoftware.com> Bonsoir Bernard, Le 6 oct. 08 ? 18:54, Bernard Devlin a ?crit : > Eric and Mark, Thanks for your attempts to save my sanity (of > course, it > could well be too late). I hope not :-) > I re-started 3.0, loaded stsMLXEditor, found the first guilty- > looking 'save > this stack', and commented it out... and then 3.0 crashed before I > could > even save it! Unbelievable. Obviously there is no link between the fact of commenting THIS line and a Rev crash but a problem when compiling/saving the script. > I couldn't face going through every stack and > finding every handler that caused a stack to be saved. > > What I didn't understand is that I have checked 'preserve stack > file version > on stacks saved in legacy format' in Rev's preferences. Yet it > seemed to be > ignoring that in these stacks that have several of their own self- > saving > events. After searching bugzilla I found that it this is indeed > broken: > http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4695. Ken Ray > provides a > workaround for it: in the MB type: "set the stackFileversion to > 2.4;save > this stack". After doing that and quitting Rev, the stack is > finally in 2.4 > and remaining in 2.4. Yes, Ken's advice is always very valuable :-) Always read all his posts: you can be sure there is something to learn... > Thanks for your commiserations. I know I must sound like my > whining button > is stuck on 'loop', but these have been the worst 5 months I've had > with Rev > in 7 years. I am not the right 'Dude' :-) to tell you about Linux and all its flavors: I only work with Mac OS X, XP and Vista. But... I know that many guys here work with Linux and don't seem to have all the troubles you report: Have you tried to reinstall Linux completely? Any software is so closely tied to the system... PS. Hope you'll find the solution before the 6th month ;-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Mon Oct 6 13:19:12 2008 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 19:19:12 +0200 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: <48EA4550.9010204@hyperactivesw.com> References: <47A281E9-277C-4DFD-A87C-D9B59F389BA4@economy-x-talk.com> <48EA4550.9010204@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <37CD1EBE-48DC-482B-97D2-62B48A51E715@sosmartsoftware.com> Bonsoir Jacque, Le 6 oct. 08 ? 19:05, J. Landman Gay a ?crit : > If Rev's save is broken you can just write your own. That's so true :-) Of course, we should not have to do it. But it's able to save so much time... Just see all patches posted by Ken, Chipp or myself along these years to fix easily a problem or another. Actually, Rev possesses an unique quality (I know that you know that but I don't reply only for you :-) Its IDE is written in Rev. This means at least two advantages: 1. You can study IDE scripts (even if they are not as clean as I would expect :-) to learn many things: tree views in 'Application Browser' for instance. 2. You can modify the IDE, add your own front and back scripts to override something, enhance another, etc. Actually, I don't know another language, the IDE of which can be (so easily) modified. Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From pepetoo at cox.net Mon Oct 6 13:25:51 2008 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 10:25:51 -0700 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: References: <47A281E9-277C-4DFD-A87C-D9B59F389BA4@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <9EC3AA49-43FD-44EC-B3EA-BCA3C7C2ECD1@cox.net> Hi Bernard, and others I have not followed this thread closely, so I may be way off base; however, I believe that you are using Rev on a variety of Unix flavors - true? Be that the case, since I think that few Rev developers/users are using Unix, it would be a big help if you were to indicate that you ARE. Particularly when you are having such difficulties. Otherwise, it is kind of scary to the rest of us. I'm even thinking that it might not be a totally bad idea to have different lists for the different platforms? I realize that a problem on one could also be one on the others as well, but???? This might not be a bad option. Anyone? I've been using 3.0 pretty much since it first came out - Mac OSX - and have not had any appreciable problems. Also saving as Legacy. A couple of kinks there, but probably associated with my not knowing the Legacy limitations well. So, my request is that maybe we can all better identify our platforms, particularly when airing complaints, so we may look at the things that most effect what we are doing. TIA Joe Wilkins On Oct 6, 2008, at 9:54 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Eric and Mark, Thanks for your attempts to save my sanity (of > course, it > could well be too late). > > I re-started 3.0, loaded stsMLXEditor, found the first guilty- > looking 'save > this stack', and commented it out... and then 3.0 crashed before I > could > even save it! Unbelievable. I couldn't face going through every > stack and > finding every handler that caused a stack to be saved. > > What I didn't understand is that I have checked 'preserve stack file > version > on stacks saved in legacy format' in Rev's preferences. Yet it > seemed to be > ignoring that in these stacks that have several of their own self- > saving > events. After searching bugzilla I found that it this is indeed > broken: > http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4695. Ken Ray > provides a > workaround for it: in the MB type: "set the stackFileversion to > 2.4;save > this stack". After doing that and quitting Rev, the stack is > finally in 2.4 > and remaining in 2.4. > > Thanks for your commiserations. I know I must sound like my whining > button > is stuck on 'loop', but these have been the worst 5 months I've had > with Rev > in 7 years. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 13:48:41 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 20:48:41 +0300 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: <9EC3AA49-43FD-44EC-B3EA-BCA3C7C2ECD1@cox.net> References: <47A281E9-277C-4DFD-A87C-D9B59F389BA4@economy-x-talk.com> <9EC3AA49-43FD-44EC-B3EA-BCA3C7C2ECD1@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Joe. I understand and sympathise. However, for the first 4 months I was using Rev 2.9 on Windows and having crashes every few days during those 4 months. I've only been using Rev on Linux for 3 or 4 weeks. I'm only trying Rev on varieties of Linux because others keep telling me they don't see any of the problems I'm facing. Mostly when I install the version where they say they can't see the problem, I can still see the problem on that version. Things like that make me doubt my sanity. I've been very patient, and didn't complain much at all for the first few months. It's just that things have become intolerable. I can understand that I may be in a minority of one. But it doesn't make my life any more bearable. I'm sorry if my complaining causes distress for others, but I've come close to just giving up on Rev in the past few weeks. Bernard On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 8:25 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Hi Bernard, and others > > I have not followed this thread closely, so I may be way off base; however, > I > believe that you are using Rev on a variety of Unix flavors - true? > > Be that the case, since I think that few Rev developers/users are using > Unix, > it would be a big help if you were to indicate that you ARE. Particularly > when > you are having such difficulties. Otherwise, it is kind of scary to the > rest of us. > I'm even thinking that it might not be a totally bad idea to have different > lists > for the different platforms? I realize that a problem on one could also be > one > on the others as well, but???? This might not be a bad option. Anyone? > > I've been using 3.0 pretty much since it first came out - Mac OSX - and > have > not had any appreciable problems. Also saving as Legacy. A couple of kinks > there, but probably associated with my not knowing the Legacy limitations > well. > > So, my request is that maybe we can all better identify our platforms, > particularly > when airing complaints, so we may look at the things that most effect what > we > are doing. > > TIA > > Joe Wilkins > > From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Oct 6 14:02:02 2008 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:02:02 -0400 Subject: Thrift library? In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10810060816n7272aab5t8c815a820cd27630@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a10810060816n7272aab5t8c815a820cd27630@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > that appears very nice. I'd like to have it too. I've though about > building a WSDL parser but this appears much cooler. We can use the > new 3.0 arrays for the data models. Hey Andre, Yes, it seems like a nice framework but I was hoping that I wouldn't have to write it from scratch :-) Thrift looks interesting in that it generates all of the source code for a language based on the Thrift file. You can create a Thrift definition file and then Thrift generates the source code required for interacting with your web service for a number of languages. The problem is that if your language isn't supported then it is kind of a pain. For example Evernote uses Thrift for their API so all of the required source code for interacting with their API is provided in C++, Ruby, Python, C#, PHP, etc. Since Revolution isn't included I have to find/write a Thrift library and then recreate the auto generated code (based on PHP or C for example) by hand. If no libraries exist already I'm thinking of trying to throw together a Revolution version based off the PHP version. The other route would be an external wrapped around the C++ Thrift code. There is a PHP extension but if your server doesn't have it installed then the code falls back to a pure PHP version. Regards, -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From paulgabel at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 14:16:38 2008 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 11:16:38 -0700 Subject: Notification of internet use in Rev standalone In-Reply-To: <16A9427F-1AE9-4818-82E2-DFA5ABAB2F52@all-auctions.com> References: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> <16A9427F-1AE9-4818-82E2-DFA5ABAB2F52@all-auctions.com> Message-ID: Hi Rick: I think you have a good point about exams having to be monitored. Modern technology can sometimes become cheating technology. As for the length of the exam, that would be completely up to the exam writer. And, yes, the exams can be timed. If you'd like (assuming you have a Mac), take a look at it by typing "ExamMaster" into Macupdate's search box and downloading it. Thanks for you suggestions. Paul Gabel -------------- On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:54 AM, Rick Harrison wrote: > > On Oct 5, 2008, at 2:52 PM, Paul Gabel wrote: > >> Hi Rick: >> >> I'm developing a rev app named ExamMaster where users take exams on >> a Mac (perhaps unsupervised), and I want to deter them from looking >> up answers on the internet. I certainly don't think of this as >> "spyware." >> >> Paul Gabel >> > > Hi Paul, > > I think you are trying to take your software too far. You won't be > able to guard > against the use of internet cell phones especially for exams which > are unsupervised. > An unsupervised exam also allows students to communicate with each > other > about the test so they can still get answers even without access to > the internet. > > That is why important exams are always monitored by a teacher. Your > software > will never be able to take over the important role of the Monitor in > the room. > > Sometimes, teachers make exams so long that the students will not have > enough time to answer all of the questions. I once had an open book > exam > where there were so many questions that you didn't have the time to > open the > book at all. One just had to know all of the material to be able to > answer the > questions. > > Have you built a timer into your exam software so that when the time > is up > the student can no longer work on it? > > Good luck with your project! > > Rick > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mpease at lawandpolitics.com Mon Oct 6 14:30:51 2008 From: mpease at lawandpolitics.com (Michael) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:30:51 -0700 Subject: [ANN] VisualHubbaHubba utility (Mac) In-Reply-To: <20081004162735.4518C288305@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi: VisualHub shut its doors a couple days ago, but the week before I had written a helper tool for it with Revolution 2.9. I have placed the app at in case anybody wants to use it or critique it. VHH provides a drag and drop interface to create user-sortable playlists of video files so that multiple DVD-video disc images can be created in batch mode using the playlists, for example overnight. VisualHub is Mac-only and so is my app, since it also writes an Applescript as its final output. Thanks, m From 3mcgrath at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 14:58:54 2008 From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:58:54 -0400 Subject: Notification of internet use in Rev standalone In-Reply-To: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> References: <53371298-AEFF-4AA8-85A7-17E39E580834@comcast.net> Message-ID: <65FFA87E-FEA7-4BCD-9F19-CD2E7F74D99A@comcast.net> Paul, Hi, I've read all of the responses so far to your concept. Some are pretty good and you should consider them. That said, if this is for OSX only then why not just make the stack sized to the screenRect and then set the window type to systemWindow. That way the window while open will always 'float above everything' and not allow the user to even get to any other application. You may have to monitor active windows and if changed set the center of this stack to the active window if people are using "Spaces" or multiple monitors. This will not work on windows since Revolution does not treat the systemWindow the same on Windows. On Windows you can minimize the stack of a systemWindow to the start bar which would then allow the user to access an internet application. On OSX there is no minimize with a systemWindow. HTHs Tom McGrath On Oct 4, 2008, at 4:48 PM, Paul Gabel wrote: > Hi everybody: > > My stack structure is a mainstack splash screen and three substacks. > Within a Rev standalone, is there any way to be notified if the user > opens a web browser or attempts to write an email with a non-Rev > application? Is there any way to prevent it? > > "on resumeStack" is not helpful in my case, as, if placed in the > mainstack (which is hidden by now), it is not triggered when I come > back from a web browser. I can't place "on resumeStack" in a > substack, because I am constantly going back and forth between them, > and, even in a standalone, it is triggered. > > I would greatly appreciate any suggestions (or even being told to > forget the whole idea). > > Paul Gabel > Mac OS X 10.5.5 > Rev 3.0 > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at chipp.com Mon Oct 6 15:23:25 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 14:23:25 -0500 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: <9EC3AA49-43FD-44EC-B3EA-BCA3C7C2ECD1@cox.net> References: <47A281E9-277C-4DFD-A87C-D9B59F389BA4@economy-x-talk.com> <9EC3AA49-43FD-44EC-B3EA-BCA3C7C2ECD1@cox.net> Message-ID: <665591460810061223g7ed46f17o2aaa7b6714dc0b51@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Joe, A most welcome point. I'm using Rev 3.0 on Vista and XP for some mission critical applications, and have not found any significant problems. I agree a title like this one can put others off. Bernard, I suspect your save issue has to do with some plugin doing an auto-save. I've always disliked the 'auto-save' types of plugins as you never know exactly what and when you're saving. You're welcome to use my altArchive plugin, which saves and creates a serialized backup. Also, I have a stackFormat plugin I wrote awhile back which also saves in legacy format. Note, these have not been tested on Linux that I'm aware of. Just enter into msg: go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/StackFormat.rev" and go URL "http://www.altuit.com/hemtools/altPlugin/revAltArchive.rev" HTH, Chipp On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Hi Bernard, and others > > I have not followed this thread closely, so I may be way off base; however, > I > believe that you are using Rev on a variety of Unix flavors - true? > > Be that the case, since I think that few Rev developers/users are using > Unix, > it would be a big help if you were to indicate that you ARE. Particularly > when > you are having such difficulties. Otherwise, it is kind of scary to the rest > of us. From andre at andregarzia.com Mon Oct 6 16:53:21 2008 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 17:53:21 -0300 Subject: Thrift library? In-Reply-To: References: <7c87a2a10810060816n7272aab5t8c815a820cd27630@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10810061353h6363ea6byec03471c19c7efd@mail.gmail.com> Trevor, I am also using Evernote, I have it on all my computers and my iPhone. I checked the Thrift Wiki and found no information on how to generate your own language. It may be easier to parse the Thrifit IDL file from Revolution and generate the code than add the necessary bits to the Thrift own code base to generate Revolution code. I wish we could create externals from other languages, like python or ruby. Andre On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Oct 6, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > >> that appears very nice. I'd like to have it too. I've though about >> building a WSDL parser but this appears much cooler. We can use the >> new 3.0 arrays for the data models. > > Hey Andre, > > Yes, it seems like a nice framework but I was hoping that I wouldn't have to > write it from scratch :-) > > Thrift looks interesting in that it generates all of the source code for a > language based on the Thrift file. You can create a Thrift definition file > and then Thrift generates the source code required for interacting with your > web service for a number of languages. > > The problem is that if your language isn't supported then it is kind of a > pain. For example Evernote uses Thrift for their API so all of the required > source code for interacting with their API is provided in C++, Ruby, Python, > C#, PHP, etc. Since Revolution isn't included I have to find/write a Thrift > library and then recreate the auto generated code (based on PHP or C for > example) by hand. > > If no libraries exist already I'm thinking of trying to throw together a > Revolution version based off the PHP version. The other route would be an > external wrapped around the C++ Thrift code. There is a PHP extension but if > your server doesn't have it installed then the code falls back to a pure PHP > version. > > Regards, > > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems > ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com > Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Mon Oct 6 18:44:29 2008 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke, FB01) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 23:44:29 +0100 Subject: 3.0 for Linux is 8% slower than 2.6.1 ? (Bernard Devlin) Message-ID: <1223329469.48ea86bd81dfa@www.uni-kassel.de> On Sun Oct 5, 2008, Bernard Devlin bdrunrev at gmail.com wrote: "If anyone else has any other benchmarks, I'd be grateful to see them. Mine s3.0 for Linux is 8% slower than 2.6.1 ? eems pretty simple to me, and tests nothing more than a few functions, looping and adding to lists. It will only make any sense if you run the script on the same hardware, using a version of Rev >= 3 and a version of Rev < 3. Bernard" Another test stack - also attached to bug report 5113 of the Rev Quality Center - has been around for some time: Although partly focusing on questions of paintcompression, it provides the possibility to compare engine and IDE speeds of different versions of Metacard and Revolution. One of the results measured by this test stack is that version 2.6.1 of the Rev engine has been the fastest so far when measuring imagedata processing. Other later versions have been shown to be up to 30 - 40 % slower than 2.6.1 in this respect - see the "result page" of the test stack. The new 3.0 Rev engine version has improved considerably over previous versions, but has not yet fully reached the level present in 2.6.1. Measuring speed differences with this stack is a very fast process, as scripts with a duration between few milliseconds and about 50 seconds at the utmost can be easily compared. Regards, Wilhelm Sanke -- Wilhelm Sanke -------------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.uni-kassel.de/www-mail From jmcneely at nwrads.com Mon Oct 6 18:15:33 2008 From: jmcneely at nwrads.com (Jim McNeely) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 15:15:33 -0700 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: <665591460810061223g7ed46f17o2aaa7b6714dc0b51@mail.gmail.com> References: <47A281E9-277C-4DFD-A87C-D9B59F389BA4@economy-x-talk.com> <9EC3AA49-43FD-44EC-B3EA-BCA3C7C2ECD1@cox.net> <665591460810061223g7ed46f17o2aaa7b6714dc0b51@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7778FD06-2AFC-4348-9E86-BF4B6F6B1398@nwrads.com> I'm very new here and I thought it was pretty funny. Every tool has its drawbacks. Jim McNeely On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > I agree a title like this one can put others off. From 3mcgrath at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 18:36:34 2008 From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:36:34 -0400 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: <7778FD06-2AFC-4348-9E86-BF4B6F6B1398@nwrads.com> References: <47A281E9-277C-4DFD-A87C-D9B59F389BA4@economy-x-talk.com> <9EC3AA49-43FD-44EC-B3EA-BCA3C7C2ECD1@cox.net> <665591460810061223g7ed46f17o2aaa7b6714dc0b51@mail.gmail.com> <7778FD06-2AFC-4348-9E86-BF4B6F6B1398@nwrads.com> Message-ID: Jim, I agree, I thought it was damn funny...... I feel this way every couple of months right before a big break through.... Glad you're here... Tom McGrath On Oct 6, 2008, at 6:15 PM, Jim McNeely wrote: > I'm very new here and I thought it was pretty funny. Every tool has > its drawbacks. > > Jim McNeely > > On Oct 6, 2008, at 12:23 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > >> I agree a title like this one can put others off. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From howard.bornstein at gmail.com Mon Oct 6 21:40:01 2008 From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:40:01 -0400 Subject: [ANN] VisualHubbaHubba utility (Mac) In-Reply-To: References: <20081004162735.4518C288305@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <3f07cc260810061840m720d81c3mea2c15918dea003a@mail.gmail.com> On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Michael wrote: > Hi: > > VisualHub shut its doors a couple days ago, Yes, I was very sad to hear this as they were a responsive small company with great tech support who made an excellent product. Sigh. -- Regards, Howard Bornstein ----------------------- www.designeq.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Oct 6 21:54:40 2008 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:54:40 -0400 Subject: Thrift library? In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10810061353h6363ea6byec03471c19c7efd@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a10810060816n7272aab5t8c815a820cd27630@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a10810061353h6363ea6byec03471c19c7efd@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3A96D2EC-6724-47E6-BF37-A73BCE030B55@mangomultimedia.com> On Oct 6, 2008, at 4:53 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > I am also using Evernote, I have it on all my computers and my iPhone. > I checked the Thrift Wiki and found no information on how to generate > your own language. It may be easier to parse the Thrifit IDL file from > Revolution and generate the code than add the necessary bits to the > Thrift own code base to generate Revolution code. > > I wish we could create externals from other languages, like python > or ruby. The main Thrift library is written in C++ and that could be wrapped up in an external if that would be easier then having a native Revolution library. I think creating an external may be the way to go since it would be easier to keep a Thrift external in sync with the current Thrift library (drop in latest C++ files, recompile). Once we have a Revolution Thrift library (external or pure Revolution) then creating Revolution source code from IDL files shouldn't be too bad. The problem is that I don't think companies necessarily distribute their IDL files. I think they just distribute the source created from the IDL files; at least I didn't see any IDL files in the Evernote API distribution. Perhaps a Revolution program that could parse the C++ files generated by Thrift and automatically create an external project might be appropriate. Regards, -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From chipp at chipp.com Tue Oct 7 01:09:52 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 00:09:52 -0500 Subject: 3.0 for Linux is 8% slower than 2.6.1 ? In-Reply-To: <48E8DF87.5030200@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <48E8DF87.5030200@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <665591460810062209h3b34a522sd352a0025c4da1aa@mail.gmail.com> Bernard, Regarding your test stack. (Bottom of message is your test script) I'm not sure what the 'send in time' helps test? I think it better to just repeat your test as many times as you wish and not use 'send in time'. It adds another variable to the process. I can see where this test can be setup to run for a couple of hours using 'send in time'. But, running this test for a long period of time will not take into account any other background processes which may be taking place--thus slowing down the test and providing inaccurate results when compared to another test--even if on the same machine. It appears the only thing you are testing is the random() function, or perhaps I am missing something? Wilhelm's stack is a good benchmark example as it states and tests a specific function. Unless you are only trying to test the speed of the random() function, this test does not provide an overall speed test for Rev. Also, as a note, I typically try not to update the screen on benchmarks (writing to fields or message box) during the time calculation-- as these can represent yet another variable to the test criteria. Also, you are using the round function to calculate your times: put round ((the milliseconds - tStartMS)/1000) into tElapsed This has the possibility of introducing significant error. For instance, when I run your default setting of a 15 seed (on my basic speed desktop), it takes 21.48 seconds to run, but you round that number up or down (in this case it becomes 21) thus introducing a greater than 2% error. If I run a seed of 11 or below, it registers as taking 0 seconds, though it actually takes close to .4 seconds. This is also a significant error percentage-wise (infinity?). If I were to run this on a faster machine (like many of the Macs out there), the potential error would be even greater. Not to mention this error can be compounded by the number of tests you run in your repeat measure field-- which the default is 5-- so on my machine it is theoretically possible to have close to +- 10% difference in actual times vs reported times based upon the default settings. Not very reliable. Your throw commands are a nice trick to exit a handler: if fld "repeat measure" is not a number then throw "repeat needs a number" And I suppose you already know this, but for others reading, you may wish to provide the below errorDialog handler in your button script as well. Of course, it will only display when script debug mode is turned off. on errorDialog pExecutionError answer pExecutionError end errorDialog I hope this helps you understand why you may be having some problems. FYI, Richard Gaskin, a very experienced Rev user and benchmarking guru, has some good benchmarking tools which you might ask about, or search the archives here for. I'd suggest using a proven tool to help you get a grasp on this situation. --->BERNARD's BENCHMARK CODE ----- on mouseUp if fld "repeat measure" is not a number then throw "repeat needs a number" if fld "send delay seconds" is not a number then throw "send delay needs a number" put round(fld "send delay seconds") into tSendDelaySize repeat with tCounter = 1 to (round(fld "repeat measure")) put tSendDelaySize * tCounter into tNextSend send "doTest" to me in tNextSend seconds end repeat end mouseUp on doTest put the long time && the pendingMessages put the milliseconds into tStartMS if fld "seed" is not a number then throw "need a number to kick things off" put round(exp(fld "seed")) into tLimit repeat with tCounter = 1 to tLimit put random(100) & comma & random(100) & comma & tLimit & return after tItemList end repeat put line 1 to 5 of tItemList into tNewItemList put round ((the milliseconds - tStartMS)/1000) into tElapsed put tElapsed & return & tNewItemLIst & return & the long time into fld "result" set the itemDel to "." if item 1 of version() < 3 then put "old" into tVersion else put "new" into tVersion end if set the itemDel to comma put tElapsed & comma after fld tVersion put fld tVersion into tRunningScore if char -1 of tRunningScore is comma then put empty into char -1 of tRunningScore put (tVersion & "avg") into tVersionAvg put avg(tRunningScore) into fld tVersionAvg end doTest From bdrunrev at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 05:46:35 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:46:35 +0100 Subject: suggestions for cross-version benchmarking test tool? Message-ID: Ok, so since Chipp thinks my benchmark is pretty crummy (which I'm happy to believe), can someone provide me with what they think would be a better way to benchmark the speed of the different engines? I'm reluctant to use Wilhelm's suggestion on Linux, since there is a known memory leak to do with the interaction of Rev and XWindows on Rev 2.9 and Rev 3.0 (by my observation Rev causes X to leak about 2mb every 3 seconds whilst the stack that demonstrates the leak runs). So, I think it's best if any benchmark tries to limit any use of graphics, so that we can try to eliminate/minimize this known bug. As Chipp suggested, I searched the archive for 'benchmarks gaskin' but didn't come up with anything that seemed like a test of the engine rather than a test of a specific feature e.g. regex, filter, offset. I had a look at Richard's revBench but that seems to be a tool designed to just compare two different scripts within the same version of Revolution. I'm looking for something to explain why there are noticeable flickers (for me) in various components of the Rev 3.0 IDE (elements within the menu bar and within property inspectors). As I've mentioned there is a known bug with X, but equally these flickers may be nothing to do with that bug. I think that Rev 3.0 on Linux is just running slower than it is on Windows. If the Linux engines is running slower, whilst the Windows (and maybe OS X) engines have had a significant speed increase, then this could be useful information for the Runrev developers. This speed issue is not merely a cosmetic issue (even though it does help make Rev on Linux look amateurish). Furthermore, the script editor of Rev 3.0 is also quite unusable, since it slows down to a crawl with a script with 2000 lines (it's even noticeably slow on a script of 36 lines). I know my Linux laptop is not the fastest (1.6ghz intel atom), but the flickers are also evident on Linux running inside virtual machines. The flickers aren't there in 2.6.1 on my laptop. Bernard From bdrunrev at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 05:47:19 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 10:47:19 +0100 Subject: 3.0 for Linux is 8% slower than 2.6.1 ? (Bernard Devlin) In-Reply-To: <1223329469.48ea86bd81dfa@www.uni-kassel.de> References: <1223329469.48ea86bd81dfa@www.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: Wilhelm, thanks for this suggestion. I've posted a new request to the list explaining why I would hesitate to use this with Linux. Bernard On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Wilhelm Sanke, FB01 < sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de> wrote: > On Sun Oct 5, 2008, Bernard Devlin bdrunrev at gmail.com wrote: > > "If anyone else has any other benchmarks, I'd be grateful to see them. > Mine > s3.0 for Linux is 8% slower than 2.6.1 ? > eems pretty simple to me, and tests nothing more than a few functions, > looping and adding to lists. > > It will only make any sense if you run the script on the same hardware, > using a version of Rev >= 3 and a version of Rev < 3. > > Bernard" > > Another test stack - also attached to bug report 5113 of the Rev Quality > Center > - has been around for some time: > > > > Although partly focusing on questions of paintcompression, it provides the > possibility to compare engine and IDE speeds of different versions of > Metacard > and Revolution. > > One of the results measured by this test stack is that version 2.6.1 of the > Rev > engine has been the fastest so far when measuring imagedata processing. > Other > later versions have been shown to be up to 30 - 40 % slower than 2.6.1 in > this > respect - see the "result page" of the test stack. The new 3.0 Rev engine > version has improved considerably over previous versions, but has not yet > fully > reached the level present in 2.6.1. > > Measuring speed differences with this stack is a very fast process, as > scripts > with a duration between few milliseconds and about 50 seconds at the utmost > can > be easily compared. > > Regards, > > Wilhelm Sanke > > -- > Wilhelm Sanke > > > -------------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.uni-kassel.de/www-mail > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From geradamas at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 06:04:32 2008 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 03:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Why I didn't, and why I may, later. Message-ID: <151776.67938.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 1. A bit short of money right now. 2. For reasons that have been confirmed in the Use-List since RR 3 was released: the very same reason why I bought a Mac G4 two weeks after they released the G5s. Microsoft and Apple have been slammed time and time again for releasing software (operating systems or other) which still looks Beta-ish. There is a school of thought that Mac OS X is still a bit tatty round the edges (v.g. the inconsistencies that abound in the behaviour of the Finder). Probably why quite a lot of people with PPC Macs feel cheesed-off about being excluded from 10.6. There are folk who will claim that firms release Beta-ish software to raise money to continue work; this has always struck me as a bit disingenuous. Hundreds of people who bought themselves PCs with "Vista" installed are returning to XP because the view is a bit foggy. I am now popping pennies (quite literally) in a jam jar with "3.x" written on it. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From bdrunrev at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 06:58:19 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 11:58:19 +0100 Subject: Why I didn't, and why I may, later. In-Reply-To: <151776.67938.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <151776.67938.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Before anyone else jumps in. Richmond, it seems I'm the only one having issues with 2.9 and 3.0. It might be useful for you to download the evaluation versions (particularly if you are using Linux), to see if the product is buggy for you. If not, you've got a good reason to fill the jar asap. Bernard On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > 1. A bit short of money right now. > > 2. For reasons that have been confirmed in the Use-List since RR 3 was > released: the very same reason why I bought a Mac G4 two weeks after they > released the G5s. > > Microsoft and Apple have been slammed time and time again for releasing > software (operating systems or other) which still looks Beta-ish. There is a > school of thought that Mac OS X is still a bit tatty round the edges (v.g. > the inconsistencies that abound in the behaviour of the Finder). > Probably why quite a lot of people with PPC Macs feel cheesed-off about > being excluded from 10.6. > > There are folk who will claim that firms release Beta-ish software to raise > money to continue work; this has always struck me as a bit disingenuous. > > Hundreds of people who bought themselves PCs with "Vista" installed are > returning to XP because the view is a bit foggy. > > I am now popping pennies (quite literally) in a jam jar with "3.x" written > on it. > > sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. > ____________________________________________________________ > > A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life > Cycle. > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From msrebnik at earthlink.net Tue Oct 7 09:49:17 2008 From: msrebnik at earthlink.net (Mark Srebnik) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:49:17 -0700 Subject: Convert HC Stack to Rev - Without HC? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Greetings, Would like to convert a HyperCard Stack to Rev if possible. However, from reading Jacqueline's excellent tutorial on this I see the following problems. A) Since I use OSX on my MacBook at home, I don't have ability to run HyperCard; ie, no Classic anymore... B) Since I don't have HC to run and edit scripts before converting I can't 1) comment out XCMD's and FCN's as noted in tutorial... 2) edit script to change menu references.. Given the above, wondering if there's any workaround in order to do conversion??? Thanks for any and all input, Mark Silicone Valley Digerati & Rev/Code Noob From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Oct 7 09:53:54 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:53:54 +0200 Subject: Convert HC Stack to Rev - Without HC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FFDFA3B-C5F5-41E8-94FD-32FC2F57489F@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Mark, Just suppress messages before you open the stack and edit the scripts. See the Development menu. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 7 okt 2008, at 15:49, Mark Srebnik wrote: > Greetings, > > Would like to convert a HyperCard Stack to Rev if possible. However, > from > reading Jacqueline's excellent tutorial on this I see the following > problems. > > A) Since I use OSX on my MacBook at home, I don't have ability to run > HyperCard; ie, no Classic anymore... > > B) Since I don't have HC to run and edit scripts before converting I > can't > > 1) comment out XCMD's and FCN's as noted in tutorial... > > 2) edit script to change menu references.. > > > Given the above, wondering if there's any workaround in order to do > conversion??? > > Thanks for any and all input, > > Mark > Silicone Valley Digerati & Rev/Code Noob > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Oct 7 11:57:08 2008 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 08:57:08 -0700 Subject: suggestions for cross-version benchmarking test tool? Message-ID: <48EB86D4.4040605@fourthworld.com> Bernard Devlin wrote: > Ok, so since Chipp thinks my benchmark is pretty crummy (which I'm happy to > believe), can someone provide me with what they think would be a better way > to benchmark the speed of the different engines? I'm reluctant to use > Wilhelm's suggestion on Linux, since there is a known memory leak to do with > the interaction of Rev and XWindows on Rev 2.9 and Rev 3.0 (by my > observation Rev causes X to leak about 2mb every 3 seconds whilst the stack > that demonstrates the leak runs). I just searched the RQCC for "leak" and couldn't find that one. Of the five results that came up in that search it seems only two have strong evidence of being a leak, and both have workarounds provided to avoid the seeming leak condition. What is the stack doing while it's "leaking" "2mb every 3 seconds"? That seems like a lot. Seeing the scripts in question will be very helpful, esp. if submitted in an RQCC report. It wouldn't surprise me if a code base this complex has a leak or two, but I've noticed that RunRev tends to give priority to leaks, perhaps because of their insidious nature and that they're usually relatively easy to fix. > As Chipp suggested, I searched the archive for 'benchmarks gaskin' but > didn't come up with anything that seemed like a test of the engine rather > than a test of a specific feature e.g. regex, filter, offset. I had a look > at Richard's revBench but that seems to be a tool designed to just compare > two different scripts within the same version of Revolution. True, much of my benchmarking is to find optimal ways to accomplish a given task, independent of platform. There are so many ways to do things in Rev, and I've found that sometimes what might seem the most obvious may not offer the best performance. One of the conveniences of RevBench (available in RevNet for those who haven't seen it -- in Rev choose Development->Plugins->GoRevNet) is that it can be saved so you can run the same tests across different platforms. But it may be just as simple to just make a fresh stack that tests what you need. What does the project you're working on do? Perhaps we might be able to help make a good test for both benchmarking and honing in on the possible leak. > I'm looking for something to explain why there are noticeable flickers (for > me) in various components of the Rev 3.0 IDE (elements within the menu bar > and within property inspectors). I hadn't noticed that until you brought it to my attention; seems I've been running without icons on my Ubuntu system, so while it's still present it isn't as noticeable. I turned on the icons, and yep, I can see it now. My hunch is that it's doing some redundant checking during boot, or maybe building something dynamically behind the scenese which requires changes to the editGroupControls. It seems limited to that one button, and none of my own stuff seems affected, so it seems to be just a scripting issue in the IDE, and a minor (cosmetic) one at that; the functionality of that button seems unaffected. Given what I can see of it, this flicker doesn't appear to be engine-related and shouldn't affect any projects you make with Rev. > I think that Rev 3.0 on Linux is just running slower than it is on Windows. I've seen broad variance in performance across platforms. Last time I did any testing of that sort I found that text parsing was much faster on Windows than on Mac, even when the Windows installation was VirtualPC running on a Motorola-powered Mac (!). I asked Scott Raney about that at the time and he said that the biggest difference he's seen for platform-independent tasks like text processing (as opposed to system-specific tasks like object rendering) is with compiler design: he said the MS compiler was just darn good at its job relative to Code Warrior (which he was using at the time). If there is a performance difference between Windows and Linux, I suspect there might also be a similar difference between Windows and OS X. I believe that XCode shares many elements in its compiler with GCC, so it may be the case that benchmarking today would show similar results, with Windows outperforming both OS X and Linux. Some things may be optimizable, and I think Mark Waddingham would agree that there's still much that can be done to refine the integration of Rev's rendering engine with the Linux window manager interfaces. But the differences in how the various OS families render windows and controls are so vast that they don't make for good comparison of Rev engine performance. For those task I would test things as Chipp suggested, with the lockScreen true so we're focusing more on the engine's internals and less on the host OS. Of course, with several thousand tokens it wouldn't be practical to test them all. What sorts of things are you working on? If start with what you need to do at the moment we'll have not only an accomplishable subset of testing tasks, but one which is especially relevant for your current work. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Tue Oct 7 11:59:43 2008 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 10:59:43 -0500 Subject: Convert HC Stack to Rev - Without HC? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EB876F.1070300@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Srebnik wrote: > Greetings, > > Would like to convert a HyperCard Stack to Rev if possible. However, from > reading Jacqueline's excellent tutorial on this I see the following > problems. > > A) Since I use OSX on my MacBook at home, I don't have ability to run > HyperCard; ie, no Classic anymore... > > B) Since I don't have HC to run and edit scripts before converting I can't > > 1) comment out XCMD's and FCN's as noted in tutorial... > > 2) edit script to change menu references.. > > > Given the above, wondering if there's any workaround in order to do > conversion??? Yes, though you can't do the (often required) "compact stack" part. You can click the Messages button in Rev's toolbar to turn off messages. This will eliminate any error reports while you go through the stack to remove the handlers that are incompatible. It is very important to compact the HC stack in HC before importing however. You may get lucky and things will run fine. But if you see missing cards, scrambled data, or incorrect images (aside from the alpha problem) then the stack needs compacting. On rare occasions an uncompacted stack may not even import at all. You might look into SheepShaver or vMac -- I have run HyperCard on my OS X Intel machine using both. Neither is a perfect solution, but both run well enough to get the compaction done. I particularly like the suggestion of running vMac/HC from a USB stick that I can just plug in whenever I need it (but I've lost the link to that; maybe someone else here still has it. You could try a Google on "vMac on a stick".) Ken Ray has a tutorial on his web site on how to install SheepShaver, maybe he'll chime in with that link. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From revolution at derbrill.de Tue Oct 7 13:52:23 2008 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 19:52:23 +0200 Subject: suggestions for cross-version benchmarking test tool? In-Reply-To: <20081007170007.D2673289BD7@mail.runrev.com> References: <20081007170007.D2673289BD7@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <73B4FB78-B969-459C-B2C4-2F2FF892E059@derbrill.de> Hi Richard, if you want, please look at http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7257 I too see leakage and drastic slowdowns under Linux, yet I could not boil it down to something as atomic as in this test case. Cheers, malte From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Oct 7 14:19:17 2008 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:19:17 -0700 Subject: suggestions for cross-version benchmarking test tool? References: 20081007170007.D2673289BD7@mail.runrev.com Message-ID: <48EBA825.9070405@fourthworld.com> Malte Brill wrote: > if you want, please look at http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=7257 > I too see leakage and drastic slowdowns under Linux, yet I could not > boil it down to something as atomic as in this test case. Interesting test case, Malte. Thanks for that - I just added myself to the CC list there. It'll be interesting to see how how pans out. One of the challenges of the test there is that it's testing many very different things at once: > Try my standalone above , or build your own: > > 1 create four fields, locked > 2 group them, show group name and border > 3 write a script flipnumbers for the group that pumps random numbers into the > fields, including the symbol for "degrees" in one field and ":" in another. > 4 randomly flip the backgroundcolor of one of the fields between 1 of 8 named > colors. > > Don't put this in a repeat loop. Use send, e.g. > > if the label of button "run" is "on" then send flipnumbers to me in 100 > milliseconds That last bit about needing to use "send" is most curious, seeming to imply that the issue may not have anything to do with the field business, but may instead be limited to the handling of pending messages. It would be helpful if someone could try two breaking that up into two different tests: - One which does the field manipulation in a repeat loop - Another which uses "send" to trigger something presumably innocuous, like "get 1+1" That would seem helpful to isolating the root cause. I've just added that as a note to the report. We'll see how it goes.... -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Oct 7 15:10:53 2008 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 12:10:53 -0700 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media Message-ID: Hello Revolutionaries: Just a quick note to announce the redesign/release of Tactile Media's Web site (www.tactilemedia.com). The site update is not as important as a new Revolution Tutorials/Demos area available in the Software section of the site, which now features 32 free and open stacks, complete with thumbnail previews. As well as offering several new demos, many of the older demos have been rewritten, updated, and commented to be more understandable and flexible for use in your own stacks (for example, our GetInLine drag list reordering demo can now be used as a library and no longer requires screen locking to operate). There are really too many updates to list here. Stacks are still being tested for compatibility with Revolution 3, so you may run into some issues -- just let us know. In any event, I thought this would be worth sharing. Have fun, and keep up the revolution... Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 15:29:33 2008 From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:29:33 -0700 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4be051070810071229p51a3234fgee0b4608c33b671d@mail.gmail.com> Scott, Looks awesome! Thanks for this! Judy On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Hello Revolutionaries: > > Just a quick note to announce the redesign/release of Tactile Media's Web > site (www.tactilemedia.com). The site update is not as important as a new > Revolution Tutorials/Demos area available in the Software section of the > site, which now features 32 free and open stacks, complete with thumbnail > previews. > > As well as offering several new demos, many of the older demos have been > rewritten, updated, and commented to be more understandable and flexible for > use in your own stacks (for example, our GetInLine drag list reordering demo > can now be used as a library and no longer requires screen locking to > operate). There are really too many updates to list here. Stacks are still > being tested for compatibility with Revolution 3, so you may run into some > issues -- just let us know. > > In any event, I thought this would be worth sharing. Have fun, and keep up > the revolution... > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From cszasz at mac.com Tue Oct 7 15:56:57 2008 From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 12:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client Message-ID: <19865998.post@talk.nabble.com> Is there a simple way to code to send an e-mail from within Revolution without using an e-mail client such as Apple's Mail? I have a program that is designed to send a report as a text file. I run into a problem with RevMail using an e-mail program when the user uses a web based e-mail program. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Sending-an-e-mail-without-a-dedicated-e-mail-client-tp19865998p19865998.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From nealk3nc at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 16:43:24 2008 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:43:24 -0400 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <325413300810071343k3a5e938dvca94fd07c95905e6@mail.gmail.com> What an incredibly talented person! Congratulations and thanks! Neal On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Hello Revolutionaries: > > Just a quick note to announce the redesign/release of Tactile Media's Web > site (www.tactilemedia.com). The site update is not as important as a new > Revolution Tutorials/Demos area available in the Software section of the > site, which now features 32 free and open stacks, complete with thumbnail > previews. > > As well as offering several new demos, many of the older demos have been > rewritten, updated, and commented to be more understandable and flexible for > use in your own stacks (for example, our GetInLine drag list reordering demo > can now be used as a library and no longer requires screen locking to > operate). There are really too many updates to list here. Stacks are still > being tested for compatibility with Revolution 3, so you may run into some > issues -- just let us know. > > In any event, I thought this would be worth sharing. Have fun, and keep up > the revolution... > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux (540) 242 0911 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at www.abrohamnealsoftware.com - $15.99 ------------------------------------------------- For a great dog book, visit www.abrohamneal.com ------------------------------------------------- See the FlexRadio Systems Flex-5000a in action at www.flex-videos.com From mikeythek at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 16:57:38 2008 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 16:57:38 -0400 Subject: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client In-Reply-To: <19865998.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <19865998.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e0810071357q69248af3o9ba94f42c2f9c389@mail.gmail.com> Are you aware of the SMTP library? That would be the way you would normally send email from RR without getting anything else involved. From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Tue Oct 7 18:36:55 2008 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:36:55 -0400 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media Message-ID: <39217492-10DC-410B-AFB2-B15176D31C89@wehostmacs.com> While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back about not spamming the list with non-Rev related postings, I'd just like to point out that you should always have a non-Flash fallback for your navigation.. From cszasz at mac.com Tue Oct 7 18:37:15 2008 From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 15:37:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0810071357q69248af3o9ba94f42c2f9c389@mail.gmail.com> References: <19865998.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810071357q69248af3o9ba94f42c2f9c389@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19868839.post@talk.nabble.com> Mikey-3 No, I have no experience with the SMTP library! Are there any tutorials or sample stacks that illustrate the use of the SMTP library? Mikey-3 wrote: > > Are you aware of the SMTP library? That would be the way you would > normally send email from RR without getting anything else involved. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Sending-an-e-mail-without-a-dedicated-e-mail-client-tp19865998p19868839.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Oct 7 20:16:57 2008 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:16:57 -0700 Subject: 3.0 Field numbering messed up Message-ID: <9AB2D615-75CD-4FAA-9AF9-506F647D997A@cox.net> Attention: I'm doing some math on a form. Carefully, I thought, I numbered the various flds so that I could refer to them in sequence or, at least, know what their names are by their positions without having to constantly check them out. However, when it came time to refer to them I was a bit mistaken. It seems that a field fld "1" does not return the value that is in that field; it returns the value that is in a totally different field, but the one that is "1" by layering. It was the first field I created. It does the same with fld "2"; refers to the second field I created and one that is "2" by layering; not by name. To me this is a bug. Correct? I can diddle around and make this work, but I shouldn't have to. When I refer to an object by its name I should get the contents of that object. TIA, Joe Wilkins From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Oct 7 20:29:58 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 02:29:58 +0200 Subject: 3.0 Field numbering messed up In-Reply-To: <9AB2D615-75CD-4FAA-9AF9-506F647D997A@cox.net> References: <9AB2D615-75CD-4FAA-9AF9-506F647D997A@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Joe, Are you using "1", "2" etc. as field names? That's wrong. Revolution parses these names as numbers, regardless of the quotes. You must add some characters to make sure that Revolution parses the name as a string, e.g. "Val 1", "Val 2", etc. You can refer to these fields in a repeat loop or other script like this: repeat with x = 3 to 7 add fld ("Val" && x) to myTotal end repeat -- do something with myTotal here I think that saying "I shouldn't have to" is a little inappropriate in this particular case, even though it might apply to many other workarounds. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 8 okt 2008, at 02:16, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Attention: > > I'm doing some math on a form. Carefully, I thought, I numbered the > various flds so that I could refer to them in sequence or, at least, > know what their names are by their positions without having to > constantly check them out. However, when it came time to refer to > them I was a bit mistaken. It seems that a field fld "1" does not > return the value that is in that field; it returns the value that is > in a totally different field, but the one that is "1" by layering. > It was the first field I created. It does the same with fld "2"; > refers to the second field I created and one that is "2" by > layering; not by name. To me this is a bug. Correct? > > I can diddle around and make this work, but I shouldn't have to. > When I refer to an object by its name I should get the contents of > that object. > > TIA, > > Joe Wilkins From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Oct 7 20:57:17 2008 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 17:57:17 -0700 Subject: 3.0 Field numbering messed up In-Reply-To: References: <9AB2D615-75CD-4FAA-9AF9-506F647D997A@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Mark, And thanks. I kind of suspected that was probably the case, but we all like to save keystrokes when we can; particularly when there are a lot of them. Incidentally, the pointer tooltips plug-in 2.0 that Chipp recently released provides the field names as I had designed them "1", "2", etc. and no where does anything lead one to suspect that Rev is parsing these names as "layer" numbers. Though I can, obviously, accept things as they are, in my opinion Rev is dead wrong. Must be some backward compatibility issue with MetaCard; but not liking the prospect of changing the names for a whole bunch of fields; guess I'll just add an "x" in front of each one. Joe Wilkins On Oct 7, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Joe, > > Are you using "1", "2" etc. as field names? That's wrong. Revolution > parses these names as numbers, regardless of the quotes. You must > add some characters to make sure that Revolution parses the name as > a string, e.g. "Val 1", "Val 2", etc. > > You can refer to these fields in a repeat loop or other script like > this: > > repeat with x = 3 to 7 > add fld ("Val" && x) to myTotal > end repeat > -- do something with myTotal here > > I think that saying "I shouldn't have to" is a little inappropriate > in this particular case, even though it might apply to many other > workarounds. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See ---------------------------------------- Joe Lewis Wilkins pepetoo at cox.net From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Oct 7 21:03:19 2008 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:03:19 -0700 Subject: 3.0 Field numbering messed up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > I kind of suspected that was probably the case, but we all > like to save keystrokes when we can; particularly when there are a lot > of them. Incidentally, the pointer tooltips plug-in 2.0 that Chipp > recently released provides the field names as I had designed them "1", > "2", etc. and no where does anything lead one to suspect that Rev is > parsing these names as "layer" numbers. Though I can, obviously, > accept things as they are, in my opinion Rev is dead wrong. Must be > some backward compatibility issue with MetaCard; but not liking the > prospect of changing the names for a whole bunch of fields; guess I'll > just add an "x" in front of each one. Joe -- it's not a backward compatibility issue, it's an ambiguity issue. If you say "field 1" in your scripts, Revolution has no way to know whether you mean the first field on the card, or the field named "1", which could really be the fifth field. This is why you should use non-numeric-only names as Mark suggested. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Tue Oct 7 21:17:55 2008 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:17:55 -0700 Subject: 3.0 Field numbering messed up In-Reply-To: <9AB2D615-75CD-4FAA-9AF9-506F647D997A@cox.net> Message-ID: On 10/7/08 5:16 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" wrote: > Attention: > > I'm doing some math on a form. Carefully, I thought, I numbered the > various flds so that I could refer to them in sequence or, at least, > know what their names are by their positions without having to > constantly check them out. However, when it came time to refer to them > I was a bit mistaken. It seems that a field fld "1" does not return > the value that is in that field; it returns the value that is in a > totally different field, but the one that is "1" by layering. It was > the first field I created. It does the same with fld "2"; refers to > the second field I created and one that is "2" by layering; not by > name. To me this is a bug. Correct? > > I can diddle around and make this work, but I shouldn't have to. When > I refer to an object by its name I should get the contents of that > object. > Referring to objects using numbers as labels is a risky practice since Rev will resolve numbers to mean the position in the order of fields, buttons, other objects. (1 to the number of fields, regardless of layer number, but in the layer 'order'). --------- Reset the names of all the fields on setNameOfFields repeat with x = 1 to the number of fields put word 1 of the short name of field x into NM if NM is a number then -- only touches number-style fields set the name of field x to NM & " F" end if end repeat end setNameOfFields -------- now you can reset the layering according to your naming system on setLayerNumOfFields repeat with x = 1 to the number of fields put word 1 of the short name of field x into NM if NM is a number then -- only touches number-style fields put field ( NM & " F") into item 1 of newLine put the short name of field ( NM & " F") into item 2 of newLine put the layer of field ( NM & " F") into item 3 of newLine set the layer of field ( NM & " F") to nm put the layer of field ( NM & " F") into item 4 of newLine put cr & newLine after output end if end repeat put the seconds into line 1 of output put output ---- this lets you see a list of the results of relayering end setLayerNumOfFields I believe this was the same rule as in Hypercard. Hope this helps Jim Ault Las Vegas From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Oct 7 21:19:21 2008 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:19:21 -0700 Subject: 3.0 Field numbering messed up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <664A5D23-571D-4EA5-9B15-220720001F7E@cox.net> Scott, I understand; just feeling a bit argumentative this morning. Wrong side of the bed? (smile) Thanks, Joe Wilkins On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:03 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Joe -- it's not a backward compatibility issue, it's an ambiguity > issue. If > you say "field 1" in your scripts, Revolution has no way to know > whether you > mean the first field on the card, or the field named "1", which > could really > be the fifth field. This is why you should use non-numeric-only > names as > Mark suggested. > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi From 3mcgrath at comcast.net Tue Oct 7 21:23:20 2008 From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:23:20 -0400 Subject: 3.0 Field numbering messed up In-Reply-To: References: <9AB2D615-75CD-4FAA-9AF9-506F647D997A@cox.net> Message-ID: Joe, This will add the X in one shot before each field for you. on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo repeat with x = 1 to the number of fields of card 1 set the name of fld x to ( "X" & x) end repeat end mouseUp It might be easier to think of 1 and "1" as reserved words in this instance. HTHs Tom McGrath III On Oct 7, 2008, at 8:57 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Hi Mark, > > And thanks. I kind of suspected that was probably the case, but we > all like to save keystrokes when we can; particularly when there are > a lot of them. Incidentally, the pointer tooltips plug-in 2.0 that > Chipp recently released provides the field names as I had designed > them "1", "2", etc. and no where does anything lead one to suspect > that Rev is parsing these names as "layer" numbers. Though I can, > obviously, accept things as they are, in my opinion Rev is dead > wrong. Must be some backward compatibility issue with MetaCard; but > not liking the prospect of changing the names for a whole bunch of > fields; guess I'll just add an "x" in front of each one. > > Joe Wilkins > > On Oct 7, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > >> Hi Joe, >> >> Are you using "1", "2" etc. as field names? That's wrong. >> Revolution parses these names as numbers, regardless of the quotes. >> You must add some characters to make sure that Revolution parses >> the name as a string, e.g. "Val 1", "Val 2", etc. >> >> You can refer to these fields in a repeat loop or other script like >> this: >> >> repeat with x = 3 to 7 >> add fld ("Val" && x) to myTotal >> end repeat >> -- do something with myTotal here >> >> I think that saying "I shouldn't have to" is a little inappropriate >> in this particular case, even though it might apply to many other >> workarounds. >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> >> Mark Schonewille > > -- > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See > ---------------------------------------- > Joe Lewis Wilkins > pepetoo at cox.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Oct 7 21:23:35 2008 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:23:35 -0700 Subject: 3.0 Field numbering messed up In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jim, Thanks for the routine. I had already done something similar. It wasn't that big a deal. As I said, wrong side of the bed. Or my arthritis! Joe Wilkins On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:17 PM, Jim Ault wrote: > Referring to objects using numbers as labels is a risky practice > since Rev > will resolve numbers to mean the position in the order of fields, > buttons, > other objects. > (1 to the number of fields, regardless of layer number, but in the > layer > 'order'). > --------- Reset the names of all the fields > on setNameOfFields > repeat with x = 1 to the number of fields > put word 1 of the short name of field x into NM > if NM is a number then -- only touches number-style fields > set the name of field x to NM & " F" > end if > end repeat > end setNameOfFields From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Oct 7 21:25:28 2008 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 18:25:28 -0700 Subject: 3.0 Field numbering messed up In-Reply-To: References: <9AB2D615-75CD-4FAA-9AF9-506F647D997A@cox.net> Message-ID: Tom, Boy! Today IS a slow one. (smile) Thanks, Joe Wilkins On Oct 7, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: > Joe, > > This will add the X in one shot before each field for you. > > on mouseUp pMouseBtnNo > repeat with x = 1 to the number of fields of card 1 > set the name of fld x to ( "X" & x) > end repeat > end mouseUp > > > It might be easier to think of 1 and "1" as reserved words in this > instance. > > HTHs > > Tom McGrath III From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue Oct 7 21:34:43 2008 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:34:43 -0700 Subject: End of line problem In-Reply-To: <4be051070810071229p51a3234fgee0b4608c33b671d@mail.gmail.com> References: <4be051070810071229p51a3234fgee0b4608c33b671d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48EC0E33.8080605@comcast.net> I have a stack from which I create a text file that has to be uploaded to a server. The file can be either a tab or comma delimited file. I?m creating it in Rev 3.0 Studio on my iMac with 10.5.5. I?m getting an error that I?ve traced to an end-of-line problem. The file looks fine on my Mac but when I move it over to Windows XP and open it with Notepad it doesn?t recognize my line endings (though Wordpad does). The file shows the little square block when the line end character should be, which I assume means it's a character it doesn't recognize. I?ve tried CR, CRLF and LF. If I fix the line ends in Notepad the file then uploads properly. I?m stumped . . . Thanks for any help, Marty Knapp From john at debraneys.com Tue Oct 7 21:36:28 2008 From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:36:28 +1100 Subject: Scrolling stack windows? In-Reply-To: <664A5D23-571D-4EA5-9B15-220720001F7E@cox.net> References: <664A5D23-571D-4EA5-9B15-220720001F7E@cox.net> Message-ID: <000a01c928e6$4b4b3960$e1e1ac20$@com> Hello again fellow Revolutionaries : ) I have built an interface where users can keep on adding new layers of information down a stack window by clicking a button at the bottom of the bottom most layer (the button clones the last group and re-populates the fields to suit the new context). Because the users frequently want to display 6 or 7 layers one below the other they quickly run out of screen space. I believe there are no scrollbars that I can turn on in the stack window like I can on a text field? I hope I am wrong? But if I am correct can anyone point me to examples of scrollbars being used to scroll multiple groups within a window? Regards John Tregea From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Oct 7 21:55:29 2008 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 11:55:29 +1000 Subject: End of line problem In-Reply-To: <48EC0E33.8080605@comcast.net> References: <4be051070810071229p51a3234fgee0b4608c33b671d@mail.gmail.com> <48EC0E33.8080605@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Marty Knapp wrote: > I have a stack from which I create a text file that has to be uploaded to a > server. The file can be either a tab or comma delimited file. I'm creating > it in Rev 3.0 Studio on my iMac with 10.5.5. I'm getting an error that I've > traced to an end-of-line problem. The file looks fine on my Mac but when I > move it over to Windows XP and open it with Notepad it doesn't recognize my > line endings (though Wordpad does). The file shows the little square block > when the line end character should be, which I assume means it's a character > it doesn't recognize. I've tried CR, CRLF and LF. If I fix the line ends in > Notepad the file then uploads properly. I'm stumped . . . You are being punished by the fact that each system has it's own way of describing line feeds. Check out the docs for the return constant for more info. When Rev reads or writes a text file, it converts automatically, so you always get the right line endings for whatever system produced the file. If you have to specify a particular line ending, then you have to alter them manually, and save as a binary file, not a text file. To save a file for Windows (that uses CRLF), you will need something like this: replace cr with CRLF in tData put tData into URL ("binfile:WindowsData.txt") HTH, Sarah From chipp at chipp.com Tue Oct 7 22:13:18 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2008 21:13:18 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: <39217492-10DC-410B-AFB2-B15176D31C89@wehostmacs.com> References: <39217492-10DC-410B-AFB2-B15176D31C89@wehostmacs.com> Message-ID: <665591460810071913k195620f4h8ca623c31ec6ec29@mail.gmail.com> Shao Sean wrote: > While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back about not > spamming the list with non-Rev related postings, So much for friendly correspondence on this list. ;-) BTW, If you take another look, you'll find some excellent FREE Rev demo stacks and tutorials on Scott's site. He's always been a champ at supporting Rev and this community--since before there even was a Rev! :-) Scott, Great job on your new site. I suspect you created the Trend Micro Flash demo-- super job! From martyknapp at comcast.net Tue Oct 7 22:19:59 2008 From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:19:59 -0700 Subject: End of line problem In-Reply-To: References: <4be051070810071229p51a3234fgee0b4608c33b671d@mail.gmail.com> <48EC0E33.8080605@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48EC18CF.9030407@comcast.net> Thank you Sarah, I'll give that a try! Marty > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Marty Knapp wrote: > >> I have a stack from which I create a text file that has to be uploaded to a >> server. The file can be either a tab or comma delimited file. I'm creating >> it in Rev 3.0 Studio on my iMac with 10.5.5. I'm getting an error that I've >> traced to an end-of-line problem. The file looks fine on my Mac but when I >> move it over to Windows XP and open it with Notepad it doesn't recognize my >> line endings (though Wordpad does). The file shows the little square block >> when the line end character should be, which I assume means it's a character >> it doesn't recognize. I've tried CR, CRLF and LF. If I fix the line ends in >> Notepad the file then uploads properly. I'm stumped . . . >> > > You are being punished by the fact that each system has it's own way > of describing line feeds. Check out the docs for the return constant > for more info. When Rev reads or writes a text file, it converts > automatically, so you always get the right line endings for whatever > system produced the file. If you have to specify a particular line > ending, then you have to alter them manually, and save as a binary > file, not a text file. > > To save a file for Windows (that uses CRLF), you will need something like this: > > replace cr with CRLF in tData > put tData into URL ("binfile:WindowsData.txt") From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Oct 7 22:27:20 2008 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:27:20 -0700 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: <665591460810071913k195620f4h8ca623c31ec6ec29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Recently, Chipp Walters wrote: >> While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back about not >> spamming the list Nah, that's OK. I get it -- she's right. :-) > If you take another look, you'll find some excellent FREE Rev > demo stacks and tutorials on Scott's site. He's always been a champ at > supporting Rev and this community--since before there even was a Rev! Thanks Chipp. That's a nice compliment coming from the guy who's built probably 3 times as many demos and tools! I'm quite grateful for the contributions that you, Eric Chatonet, Ken Ray, Sarah Reichelt, Shao Sean, and many others have made. That's how we all learn (at least I do) so I'm glad to contribute a few things where I can. > I suspect you created the Trend Micro Flash demo-- super job! You suspect correctly. :-) Best Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From niconiko at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 00:47:15 2008 From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 13:47:15 +0900 Subject: VISTA Printing Woes Message-ID: <1e91b2b70810072147s6491ba8ft72700599fd6f8e66@mail.gmail.com> Hello, A 2.9-built standalone's printing function suddenly no longer works -- kind of. Looking thru the archives, a likely culprit is Vista. Anyway. I say "kind of", cause I did finally manage to get a print-out when I over-rode my printer's "automatic paper-tray selection" option and, instead, manually selected "front-loading tray". And only the "frond-loading tray" option words; none of the other three in-built trays works when selected. The (Ipsio) printer is on a network, and MS-Office applications (Word, Excel) have no problems printing. Oh, and I'm on a Japanese version of Vista. By the way. The problem also occurs with the Rev development environment. Hopefully, someone has more info on this problem. But I'm posting mostly to offer a possible work-around. Cheers, Nicolas Cueto From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Oct 8 03:32:28 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:32:28 +0200 Subject: Scrolling stack windows? In-Reply-To: <000a01c928e6$4b4b3960$e1e1ac20$@com> References: <664A5D23-571D-4EA5-9B15-220720001F7E@cox.net> <000a01c928e6$4b4b3960$e1e1ac20$@com> Message-ID: <90127E65-B747-4F54-9D59-B1744BD913CB@economy-x-talk.com> Hi John, Group all objects and set the rect of this new group to the rect of the card (you may need to make adjustemnts if you have a menubar). Set the hScrollba, vScrollbar and the lockLoc of the group to true. Now you have something that's very close to a scrolling window. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 8 okt 2008, at 03:36, John Tregea wrote: > Hello again fellow Revolutionaries : ) > > I have built an interface where users can keep on adding new layers of > information down a stack window by clicking a button at the bottom > of the > bottom most layer (the button clones the last group and re-populates > the > fields to suit the new context). > > Because the users frequently want to display 6 or 7 layers one below > the > other they quickly run out of screen space. > > I believe there are no scrollbars that I can turn on in the stack > window > like I can on a text field? I hope I am wrong? But if I am correct can > anyone point me to examples of scrollbars being used to scroll > multiple > groups within a window? > > Regards > > John Tregea From geoffc at inspiredlogic.com Wed Oct 8 04:43:53 2008 From: geoffc at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 01:43:53 -0700 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: <5E3AAA00-78DF-4A89-B81E-419390F248B0@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <5E3AAA00-78DF-4A89-B81E-419390F248B0@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <866BAE28-FF67-4681-AC15-EC27275CCB76@inspiredlogic.com> On Oct 6, 2008, at 4:56 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote: > I don't use Geoff plugin but I assume that you'll find a 'save this > stack' somewhere in Geoff code when closing or quitting. > Checking last modified file date will probably confirm that the > stack auto saves. The troll comes out from under the bridge... Yes, Navigator auto-saves when it closes. In my defense, when I wrote that there was no such thing as a legacy format, and (if I remember correctly) I wanted to avoid having a preferences file. As others have suggested, locking messages, saving Navigator in the old format and quitting all in one command should do the trick. So would re-downloading it, since I think all versions on my site are old- format. Not sure about that though. Heading back under the bridge now. From john at debraneys.com Wed Oct 8 05:08:42 2008 From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:08:42 +1100 Subject: VISTA Printing Woes In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70810072147s6491ba8ft72700599fd6f8e66@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e91b2b70810072147s6491ba8ft72700599fd6f8e66@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000c01c92925$77d5d140$678173c0$@com> This email made me laugh. It is a perfect example of why Revolution is such a brave and difficult product to deliver. Vista, printer brands, trays of paper and oh yes, Japanese :) Not laughing at the problem Nicolas, just the amazing complexity of the environment and the seemingly endless number of things we can all think of to do with it... Sorry I can't answer the question, if only the OS was speaking Mandarin? John -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Nicolas Cueto Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2008 3:47 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: VISTA Printing Woes Hello, A 2.9-built standalone's printing function suddenly no longer works -- kind of. Looking thru the archives, a likely culprit is Vista. Anyway. I say "kind of", cause I did finally manage to get a print-out when I over-rode my printer's "automatic paper-tray selection" option and, instead, manually selected "front-loading tray". And only the "frond-loading tray" option words; none of the other three in-built trays works when selected. The (Ipsio) printer is on a network, and MS-Office applications (Word, Excel) have no problems printing. Oh, and I'm on a Japanese version of Vista. By the way. The problem also occurs with the Rev development environment. Hopefully, someone has more info on this problem. But I'm posting mostly to offer a possible work-around. Cheers, Nicolas Cueto _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From john at debraneys.com Wed Oct 8 05:08:42 2008 From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:08:42 +1100 Subject: Scrolling stack windows? In-Reply-To: <90127E65-B747-4F54-9D59-B1744BD913CB@economy-x-talk.com> References: <664A5D23-571D-4EA5-9B15-220720001F7E@cox.net> <000a01c928e6$4b4b3960$e1e1ac20$@com> <90127E65-B747-4F54-9D59-B1744BD913CB@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <000d01c92925$794dcb40$6be961c0$@com> Dear Mark, Thanks for that. I think I would have to ungroup the existing top level group then select whatever number of clones groups the user is displaying and regroup them. Or is there a way of cloning into a group the way I can copy into a card? Thanks and regards John -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Mark Schonewille Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2008 6:32 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Scrolling stack windows? Hi John, Group all objects and set the rect of this new group to the rect of the card (you may need to make adjustemnts if you have a menubar). Set the hScrollba, vScrollbar and the lockLoc of the group to true. Now you have something that's very close to a scrolling window. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 8 okt 2008, at 03:36, John Tregea wrote: > Hello again fellow Revolutionaries : ) > > I have built an interface where users can keep on adding new layers of > information down a stack window by clicking a button at the bottom > of the > bottom most layer (the button clones the last group and re-populates > the > fields to suit the new context). > > Because the users frequently want to display 6 or 7 layers one below > the > other they quickly run out of screen space. > > I believe there are no scrollbars that I can turn on in the stack > window > like I can on a text field? I hope I am wrong? But if I am correct can > anyone point me to examples of scrollbars being used to scroll > multiple > groups within a window? > > Regards > > John Tregea _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 05:12:24 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:12:24 +0100 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: <866BAE28-FF67-4681-AC15-EC27275CCB76@inspiredlogic.com> References: <5E3AAA00-78DF-4A89-B81E-419390F248B0@sosmartsoftware.com> <866BAE28-FF67-4681-AC15-EC27275CCB76@inspiredlogic.com> Message-ID: The Troll wrote my only must-have utility for Rev. I love it. (If I ever continue working with Rev on Linux I think the stsmlxEditor will be my other must-have utility). I did get round the problem with the stackfileversion, but it took several hours to find out what was going wrong. It wasn't your fault. It's a bug in the Rev preferences. Bernard On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > > On Oct 6, 2008, at 4:56 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote: > > I don't use Geoff plugin but I assume that you'll find a 'save this stack' >> somewhere in Geoff code when closing or quitting. >> Checking last modified file date will probably confirm that the stack auto >> saves. >> > > The troll comes out from under the bridge... > > Yes, Navigator auto-saves when it closes. In my defense, when I wrote that > there was no such thing as a legacy format, and (if I remember correctly) I > wanted to avoid having a preferences file. > > As others have suggested, locking messages, saving Navigator in the old > format and quitting all in one command should do the trick. So would > re-downloading it, since I think all versions on my site are old-format. Not > sure about that though. > > Heading back under the bridge now. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 05:13:32 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 10:13:32 +0100 Subject: VISTA Printing Woes In-Reply-To: <000c01c92925$77d5d140$678173c0$@com> References: <1e91b2b70810072147s6491ba8ft72700599fd6f8e66@mail.gmail.com> <000c01c92925$77d5d140$678173c0$@com> Message-ID: You are right. There is a world of complexity out there. Bernard On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 10:08 AM, John Tregea wrote: > This email made me laugh. It is a perfect example of why Revolution is such > a brave and difficult product to deliver. Vista, printer brands, trays of > paper and oh yes, Japanese :) > > Not laughing at the problem Nicolas, just the amazing complexity of the > environment and the seemingly endless number of things we can all think of > to do with it... > > Sorry I can't answer the question, if only the OS was speaking Mandarin? > > John > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Nicolas > Cueto > Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2008 3:47 PM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: Re: VISTA Printing Woes > > Hello, > > A 2.9-built standalone's printing function suddenly no > longer works -- kind of. > > Looking thru the archives, a likely culprit is Vista. > > Anyway. I say "kind of", cause I did finally manage > to get a print-out when I over-rode my printer's > "automatic paper-tray selection" option and, instead, > manually selected "front-loading tray". And only the > "frond-loading tray" option words; none of the other > three in-built trays works when selected. > > The (Ipsio) printer is on a network, and MS-Office > applications (Word, Excel) have no problems > printing. Oh, and I'm on a Japanese version of > Vista. > > By the way. The problem also occurs with the Rev > development environment. > > Hopefully, someone has more info on this problem. > But I'm posting mostly to offer a possible work-around. > > Cheers, > > Nicolas Cueto > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From chipp at chipp.com Wed Oct 8 05:32:18 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 04:32:18 -0500 Subject: Scrolling stack windows? In-Reply-To: <000d01c92925$794dcb40$6be961c0$@com> References: <664A5D23-571D-4EA5-9B15-220720001F7E@cox.net> <000a01c928e6$4b4b3960$e1e1ac20$@com> <90127E65-B747-4F54-9D59-B1744BD913CB@economy-x-talk.com> <000d01c92925$794dcb40$6be961c0$@com> Message-ID: <665591460810080232o58b0ff41r71e9e983bee3e04e@mail.gmail.com> copy button 1 to group 1 It works. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:08 AM, John Tregea wrote: > Or is there a way of cloning into a group the way I can > copy into a card? From john at debraneys.com Wed Oct 8 06:00:23 2008 From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:00:23 +1100 Subject: Scrolling stack windows? In-Reply-To: <665591460810080232o58b0ff41r71e9e983bee3e04e@mail.gmail.com> References: <664A5D23-571D-4EA5-9B15-220720001F7E@cox.net> <000a01c928e6$4b4b3960$e1e1ac20$@com> <90127E65-B747-4F54-9D59-B1744BD913CB@economy-x-talk.com> <000d01c92925$794dcb40$6be961c0$@com> <665591460810080232o58b0ff41r71e9e983bee3e04e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001501c9292c$b062bad0$11283070$@com> Great news. Thanks -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Chipp Walters Sent: Wednesday, 8 October 2008 8:32 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Scrolling stack windows? copy button 1 to group 1 It works. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:08 AM, John Tregea wrote: > Or is there a way of cloning into a group the way I can > copy into a card? _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mikeythek at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 09:27:12 2008 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 09:27:12 -0400 Subject: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client In-Reply-To: <19868839.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <19865998.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810071357q69248af3o9ba94f42c2f9c389@mail.gmail.com> <19868839.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e0810080627i7dd4f3c8ifffffb9ffc7791d2@mail.gmail.com> Charles, If someone else doesn't chime in here shortly, search the group archive for SMTP library. I'm up to my chair in alligators today, so I'm going to be more-or-less offline until next week. From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Wed Oct 8 10:18:08 2008 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:18:08 +0000 Subject: Re-2: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client Message-ID: <000324B2.48ECDD3E@the-office.us> Hi Charles, look at http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm for altEmailHarness or download it directly here http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altEmailHarness.rev This stack helped me to understand how the smtp library from Shao Sean works. I am using the smtp library quite often in my stacks. But be aware, that sending attachments is not directly supported. Regards, Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client (08-Okt-2008 0:40) From: Charles Szasz To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > Mikey-3 > > > No, I have no experience with the SMTP library! Are there any tutorials or > sample stacks that illustrate the use of the SMTP library? > > > Mikey-3 wrote: > > > > Are you aware of the SMTP library? That would be the way you would > > normally send email from RR without getting anything else involved. > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Sending-an-e-mail- > without-a-dedicated-e-mail-client-tp19865998p19868839.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Oct 8 10:21:08 2008 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:21:08 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Thanks Chipp. That's a nice compliment coming from the guy who's built > probably 3 times as many demos and tools! I'm quite grateful for the > contributions that you, Eric Chatonet, Ken Ray, Sarah Reichelt, Shao Sean, > and many others have made. That's how we all learn (at least I do) so I'm > glad to contribute a few things where I can. I agree 100%, Scott... plus the best part (IMHO) is that each person who contributes does so from a different background so you get to see not only different ways to solve a specific problem, but it also can cause one to make the next intuitive "leap" to add on to what's been contributed. Oh, BTW I also love the site... I saw a bunch of stuff I hadn't realized you'd done and spent an hour or so "cruising"... :-) Great work! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Oct 8 10:27:31 2008 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 09:27:31 -0500 Subject: Convert HC Stack to Rev - Without HC? In-Reply-To: <48EB876F.1070300@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: > You might look into SheepShaver or vMac -- I have run HyperCard on my OS > X Intel machine using both. Neither is a perfect solution, but both run > well enough to get the compaction done. I particularly like the > suggestion of running vMac/HC from a USB stick that I can just plug in > whenever I need it (but I've lost the link to that; maybe someone else > here still has it. You could try a Google on "vMac on a stick".) Ken Ray > has a tutorial on his web site on how to install SheepShaver, maybe > he'll chime in with that link. Here you go: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/env006.htm :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From toolbook at kestner.de Wed Oct 8 13:27:45 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:27:45 +0200 Subject: problems building a rev-valentina standalone on mac Message-ID: Hello, I just switched from SQLite to Valentina and got it to run so far and fast in my Win XP DIE, but now I am struggeling with building the Mac standalone. I followed all Valentina docs, with running the deployment script etc, what seems to work fine, but my standalone on Mac doesn't find Valentina. At least "VDatabase_Constructor()" returns empty, without any error message. Ruslan told me that I have to get the v4rev.bundle in my app externals folder, but there isn't this bundle and I don't know how to get such a bundle in my app bundle. Actually I have done two things in my rev stack: 1. added the following to the external references property of the stack: V4Rev_2\V4Rev_win.dll V4Rev_2/V4Rev_Macho 2. Standalone app settings: Select inclusions for the standalone app: - Script Libraries: Database and Valentina2 (no Valentina3 available) - Database Support: Valentina2 (no Valentina3 available) What am I missing? Anybody with Valentina experience can help me starting? Thanks Tiemo From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Wed Oct 8 13:22:40 2008 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 10:22:40 -0700 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/7/08 7:27 PM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: > Recently, Shao Sean wrote: > >While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back about not >> spamming the list with non-Rev related postings, > > Nah, that's OK. I get it -- she's right. :-) Not exactly, Scott. Your contributions and willingness to explore the limits of Rev and share are some of the things that make this community lively and worth-while. Many who are accomplished and at the leading edge will also have some commercial side. If you were merely saying "come see my business", that to me is spamming. In this case, you have been a strong contributor for years and so much of what you have done is a professional level tutorial, available as a free download, and you will answer any questions on the list. I have not only learned from your free collection of stacks, I have set the bar far higher for my output to my clients. When I incorporate the graphic ideas you demonstrate (like Get In Line, Ball Clock, WindowLab, Weather), everyone is quite impressed and sees my software as more professional. I feel so good about making a Rev product look polished and professional and modern. By following your lead, I am a better programmer. Your examples have are quite welcome and like all of us, we would host them on some part of our existing web sites. Of course, not everything you do is free and directly related to Rev, but your download section is inspirational and priceless. If you kept your work a secret it would be a loss to the Rev community. So if you are not going to post here, put me on your announcement email list. The same goes for Eric, Chipp, Ken, Jacque, Devin, Andre, Alex, Wilhelm, Mark, and so many others. I want to be connected to what is happening with our community members, and it seems that this use-list is the only efficient way of making that happen. Thanks! Perhaps [ANN-OT] would be an acceptable compromise. Jim Ault Las Vegas From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Oct 8 14:32:42 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:32:42 +0200 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48DDA713-1182-4123-91D1-1E2EBFAAB1FF@economy-x-talk.com> Well... I have to agree with Shao Sean, obviously. Then again, I think it would have been extremely easy to make the announcement on-topic. Just start the announcement stating that the location for free Rev- related downloads has changed and make the design change a side-note. Also, I must say that in my personal opinion making an incidental slightly off-topic announcement isn't as bad as posting an entire newsletter on a regular basis to this list. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 8 okt 2008, at 19:22, Jim Ault wrote: > On 10/7/08 7:27 PM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: > >> Recently, Shao Sean wrote: >>> While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back >>> about not >>> spamming the list with non-Rev related postings, >> >> Nah, that's OK. I get it -- she's right. :-) > > Not exactly, Scott. Your contributions and willingness to explore the > limits of Rev and share are some of the things that make this > community > lively and worth-while. Many who are accomplished and at the > leading edge > will also have some commercial side. From mpease at lawandpolitics.com Wed Oct 8 14:45:21 2008 From: mpease at lawandpolitics.com (Michael) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 11:45:21 -0700 Subject: List of all possible messages? In-Reply-To: <20081008170007.4F8D2488DA1@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi: I was wondering if there was an explicit list somewhere of all possible messages that can be sent in Rev? Thanks, m From andre at andregarzia.com Wed Oct 8 14:52:24 2008 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:52:24 -0300 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: <48DDA713-1182-4123-91D1-1E2EBFAAB1FF@economy-x-talk.com> References: <48DDA713-1182-4123-91D1-1E2EBFAAB1FF@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10810081152q1caa9235g51fcb8e39d05f9d0@mail.gmail.com> Err Folks, I don't think it was really OT... I really liked the announcement. Scott is one of the most briliant guys here and the fact that he reworked his site and is providing free things for us, is enough for sending an email. We were never a explicity Revolution-Topic-Only group... anyone tired of receiving emails should change to digest or switch to web based interface. Scott congratulations again on your business and tools! I just spent couple hours looking thru your stacks... Swarms are so cool! Andre On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 3:32 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Well... I have to agree with Shao Sean, obviously. Then again, I think it > would have been extremely easy to make the announcement on-topic. Just start > the announcement stating that the location for free Rev-related downloads > has changed and make the design change a side-note. > > Also, I must say that in my personal opinion making an incidental slightly > off-topic announcement isn't as bad as posting an entire newsletter on a > regular basis to this list. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ > > Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See > http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. > > On 8 okt 2008, at 19:22, Jim Ault wrote: > >> On 10/7/08 7:27 PM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >> >>> Recently, Shao Sean wrote: >>>> >>>> While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back about not >>>> spamming the list with non-Rev related postings, >>> >>> Nah, that's OK. I get it -- she's right. :-) >> >> Not exactly, Scott. Your contributions and willingness to explore the >> limits of Rev and share are some of the things that make this community >> lively and worth-while. Many who are accomplished and at the leading edge >> will also have some commercial side. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Oct 8 14:54:12 2008 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:54:12 -0400 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: <48DDA713-1182-4123-91D1-1E2EBFAAB1FF@economy-x-talk.com> References: <48DDA713-1182-4123-91D1-1E2EBFAAB1FF@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: On Oct 8, 2008, at 2:32 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Well... I have to agree with Shao Sean, obviously. Then again, I > think it would have been extremely easy to make the announcement on- > topic. Just start the announcement stating that the location for > free Rev-related downloads has changed and make the design change a > side-note. Come now, let's not be silly. The entire email discusses the updates to his site in regards to Rev tutorials. Hardly off topic. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems ScreenSteps: http://www.screensteps.com Developer Resources: http://revolution.bluemangolearning.com From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Oct 8 14:54:35 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:54:35 +0200 Subject: List of all possible messages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Michael, Try this in the message box: put the commandNames & cr & the functionNames & cr & the propertyNames It might also be interesting for you to search the dictionary for "names". You will see that there are also driverNames, constantNames etc. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 8 okt 2008, at 20:45, Michael wrote: > Hi: > > I was wondering if there was an explicit list somewhere of all > possible > messages that can be sent in Rev? > > Thanks, > > m From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Oct 8 14:56:35 2008 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:56:35 +0200 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bonsoir Scott, I can't stay without replying to all messages I have seen about your post: First your new website just 'says ' what you are able: kudos. I would be so glad to master graphics as you do. Second, I would like to know, among all who replied with some against feeling, how many have contributed freely to the community as you did. No more to say. Le 7 oct. 08 ? 21:10, Scott Rossi a ?crit : > Hello Revolutionaries: > > Just a quick note to announce the redesign/release of Tactile > Media's Web > site (www.tactilemedia.com). The site update is not as important > as a new > Revolution Tutorials/Demos area available in the Software section > of the > site, which now features 32 free and open stacks, complete with > thumbnail > previews. > > As well as offering several new demos, many of the older demos have > been > rewritten, updated, and commented to be more understandable and > flexible for > use in your own stacks (for example, our GetInLine drag list > reordering demo > can now be used as a library and no longer requires screen locking to > operate). There are really too many updates to list here. Stacks > are still > being tested for compatibility with Revolution 3, so you may run > into some > issues -- just let us know. > > In any event, I thought this would be worth sharing. Have fun, and > keep up > the revolution... > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From cmsheffield at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 14:59:59 2008 From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:59:59 -0600 Subject: List of all possible messages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8B7CFB66-845E-4937-9539-98F23602BA75@gmail.com> If you're using Rev 3.0, you can also simply open the Dictionary, then under the Language disclosure on the left, select Message. :-) On Oct 8, 2008, at 12:54 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Michael, > > Try this in the message box: > > put the commandNames & cr & the functionNames & cr & the propertyNames > > It might also be interesting for you to search the dictionary for > "names". You will see that there are also driverNames, constantNames > etc. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ > > Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html > for more info. > > On 8 okt 2008, at 20:45, Michael wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> I was wondering if there was an explicit list somewhere of all >> possible >> messages that can be sent in Rev? >> >> Thanks, >> >> m > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. www.readnaturally.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Oct 8 15:07:49 2008 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:07:49 -0500 Subject: List of all possible messages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48ED0505.2050508@hyperactivesw.com> Michael wrote: > Hi: > > I was wondering if there was an explicit list somewhere of all possible > messages that can be sent in Rev? A couple of ways, but one easy way is to open the dictionary, make sure the "All" category is selected on the left, and then click the "Type" column to aphabetize the list (you may need to click twice to arrange the sort order to ascending.) "Commmands" should now be first in the list, just scroll through to read them. Rev also has a function "the commandnames" which you can execute to get a list, which you can place in a field. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Oct 8 15:08:45 2008 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 14:08:45 -0500 Subject: List of all possible messages? In-Reply-To: <8B7CFB66-845E-4937-9539-98F23602BA75@gmail.com> References: <8B7CFB66-845E-4937-9539-98F23602BA75@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48ED053D.3070202@hyperactivesw.com> Chris Sheffield wrote: > If you're using Rev 3.0, you can also simply open the Dictionary, then > under the Language disclosure on the left, select Message. :-) Urf. That's even easier than my way -- thanks. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Wed Oct 8 15:10:10 2008 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:10:10 -0700 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10810081152q1caa9235g51fcb8e39d05f9d0@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DDA713-1182-4123-91D1-1E2EBFAAB1FF@economy-x-talk.com> <7c87a2a10810081152q1caa9235g51fcb8e39d05f9d0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1E452A1DA3FB433AB127E9DA3F7763F4@GATEWAY> > I don't think it was really OT... I really liked the announcement. > Scott is one of the most briliant guys here and the fact that > he reworked his site and is providing free things for us, is > enough for sending an email. > > We were never a explicity Revolution-Topic-Only group... > anyone tired of receiving emails should change to digest or > switch to web based interface. > > Scott congratulations again on your business and tools! I > just spent couple hours looking thru your stacks... Swarms > are so cool! Absolutely agree. Scott provides valuable resources to the Revolution community. The community of active Revolution users is relatively small, and this list is the place the community goes to - so that makes it the Revolution community list. It is in the best interest of those who have made an investment in Runtime Revolution development for the active user base to thrive. The Revolution forums were set up explicitly so that anyone who wanted to limit exposure to a particular topic can drill down to a sub-forum that interests them. That is another method other the methods Andre suggests. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com Mirye Community NING http://miryesoftware.ning.com From whelkboy at hotmail.com Wed Oct 8 15:13:46 2008 From: whelkboy at hotmail.com (SteveTheWhelk) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 12:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19885535.post@talk.nabble.com> Hi Scott, Absolutely fantastic work. Some of the effects are very clever indeed and rather thought provoking! I wonder what else we can make Rev do. :o) Steve Scott Rossi wrote: > > Hello Revolutionaries: > > Just a quick note to announce the redesign/release of Tactile Media's Web > site (www.tactilemedia.com). The site update is not as important as a new > Revolution Tutorials/Demos area available in the Software section of the > site, which now features 32 free and open stacks, complete with thumbnail > previews. > > As well as offering several new demos, many of the older demos have been > rewritten, updated, and commented to be more understandable and flexible > for > use in your own stacks (for example, our GetInLine drag list reordering > demo > can now be used as a library and no longer requires screen locking to > operate). There are really too many updates to list here. Stacks are > still > being tested for compatibility with Revolution 3, so you may run into some > issues -- just let us know. > > In any event, I thought this would be worth sharing. Have fun, and keep > up > the revolution... > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/-ANN--Site-Update---Tactile-Media-tp19865173p19885535.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From chipp at chipp.com Wed Oct 8 15:20:47 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:20:47 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: <48DDA713-1182-4123-91D1-1E2EBFAAB1FF@economy-x-talk.com> References: <48DDA713-1182-4123-91D1-1E2EBFAAB1FF@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <665591460810081220o5448a6d5ia0b201b9535e6cfa@mail.gmail.com> Mark Schonewille wrote: > Well... I have to agree with Shao Sean, obviously. > Also, I must say that in my personal opinion making an incidental slightly > off-topic announcement isn't as bad as posting an entire newsletter on a > regular basis to this list. Years ago, before you were around, back when we started RevCon, Dan Shafer and I regularly posted here an announcement and link to our own Rev newsletter here on this list. It typically had some tips, and information on the upcoming conferences, along with some advertising for Rev products, some sold by folks like Ken, Scott, Jerry, Dan or Altuit. At that time we never, not once, heard a complaint regarding spamming of this list. I am sorry for you if such emails upset you. You may wish to consider using an email filter to remove those posts you do not like. Or perhaps visit the forums, where you can better police such issues. As Jim says, we are a community here. Please understand, over the years, many of us have gotten to know each other personally and are interested in such news as an updated website, or a new release of a newsletter. BTW, Lynn was not "posting an entire newsletter", just the link to one. Do we really have a SPAM issue on this list? Let's not create a problem where one does not exist. From mpetrides at earthlink.net Wed Oct 8 15:33:42 2008 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides, MD) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:33:42 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: References: <48DDA713-1182-4123-91D1-1E2EBFAAB1FF@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <88ED98AA-D258-4A41-94F3-78410E8B7179@earthlink.net> >> Come now, let's not be silly. The entire email discusses the >> updates to his site in regards to Rev tutorials. Hardly off topic. I second Trevor's statement, quoted above. Frankly, the best thing that came out of the complaint was the fact that the sheer number of responses attracted plenty of attention to the original post--which is, IMHO, a good thing. Thanks for the original post, Scott! From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk Wed Oct 8 15:34:58 2008 From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 20:34:58 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: <665591460810071913k195620f4h8ca623c31ec6ec29@mail.gmail.com> References: <39217492-10DC-410B-AFB2-B15176D31C89@wehostmacs.com> <665591460810071913k195620f4h8ca623c31ec6ec29@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48ED0B62.9010807@harbourhosting.co.uk> Chipp Walters wrote: > Shao Sean wrote: >> While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back >> about not spamming the list with non-Rev related postings, > > So much for friendly correspondence on this list. ;-) > > BTW, If you take another look, you'll find some excellent FREE Rev > demo stacks and tutorials on Scott's site. He's always been a champ > at supporting Rev and this community--since before there even was a > Rev! :-) > I see the wink Chipp, but what's unfriendly? My reading of Shao Sean's comment was that it was her own post that she felt might be taken as non Rev-related (since the post was about the use of flash for website navigation, without a fallback for those who do not have the plugin). Full quote was: > Shao Sean wrote: > While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back about > not spamming the list with non-Rev related postings, I'd just like to > point out that you should always have a non-Flash fallback for your > navigation.. Martin Baxter -- I am Not a Number, I am a free NaN From chipp at chipp.com Wed Oct 8 15:52:50 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:52:50 -0500 Subject: List of all possible messages? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <665591460810081252q56a6859bx368120385224187@mail.gmail.com> I think he was looking for messages, not the entire dictionary. As such, I'd recommend Chris Sheffield's approach, just open the Dictionary and you can find them there. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > put the commandNames & cr & the functionNames & cr & the propertyNames From chipp at chipp.com Wed Oct 8 15:55:56 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 14:55:56 -0500 Subject: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0810080627i7dd4f3c8ifffffb9ffc7791d2@mail.gmail.com> References: <19865998.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810071357q69248af3o9ba94f42c2f9c389@mail.gmail.com> <19868839.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810080627i7dd4f3c8ifffffb9ffc7791d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <665591460810081255g4b60d4c7qb5016031221ae915@mail.gmail.com> Charles, I have a test SMTP stack based on Shao Sean's SMTP library which simplifies things quite a bit. It only allows the sending of text emails, it's called altEmailHarness and you can check it out at: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm best, Chipp From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Oct 8 15:56:06 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:56:06 +0200 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: References: <48DDA713-1182-4123-91D1-1E2EBFAAB1FF@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <91FB8059-2FA3-4B3E-BC60-C8E3F0DCC4D7@economy-x-talk.com> Trevor, I think you should read my message again. I'm saying, although (for the sake of sheer logic) I can't disagree with Shao Sean, I also don't blame Scott for posting his message! If you quote, please quote all. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 8 okt 2008, at 20:54, Trevor DeVore wrote: > > Come now, let's not be silly. The entire email discusses the updates > to his site in regards to Rev tutorials. Hardly off topic. From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 18:04:12 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:04:12 +0100 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc Message-ID: I have a stack where I use some non-printable ascii chars as delimiters (specifically, ascii 30 and 29). This stack worked fine on the Windows and Linux versions of 3.0 (well, until they crashed or went berserk, but everyone's tired of that story). However, when I moved the stack over to OS X (ppc), the application stopped working. Upon investigation it turned out that the delimiters had swapped - they were now ascii 222 and 218. Is that to be expected? Nothing else in the stacks seems amiss, and I'm puzzled by this. I had seen some strange behaviour copying them between platforms. When copied by scp, the stacks were "corrupted", but copied fine by ftp binary. When copied by ftp as ascii, opening them crashed Rev 3.0 on OS X. It's not a big deal, but I suppose it might be a gotcha worth noting for anyone else who uses non-printable ascii chars as delimiters. Bernard From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Oct 8 18:16:24 2008 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:16:24 -0700 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: did you put the actual characters within quotes in the script set the itemdelimiter to "" or use numToChar() I would always use the latter - script editors don't like some non-printing characters imbedded in a script, sometimes even within quotes. >I have a stack where I use some non-printable ascii chars as delimiters >(specifically, ascii 30 and 29). This stack worked fine on the Windows and >Linux versions of 3.0 (well, until they crashed or went berserk, but >everyone's tired of that story). However, when I moved the stack over to OS >X (ppc), the application stopped working. Upon investigation it turned out >that the delimiters had swapped - they were now ascii 222 and 218. > >Is that to be expected? Nothing else in the stacks seems amiss, and I'm >puzzled by this. I had seen some strange behaviour copying them between >platforms. When copied by scp, the stacks were "corrupted", but copied fine >by ftp binary. When copied by ftp as ascii, opening them crashed Rev 3.0 on >OS X. > >It's not a big deal, but I suppose it might be a gotcha worth noting for >anyone else who uses non-printable ascii chars as delimiters. > >Bernard -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Oct 8 18:29:28 2008 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:29:28 -0700 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That should be numToChar(30) -- >did you put the actual characters within quotes in the script > >set the itemdelimiter to "" > >or use numToChar() > >I would always use the latter - script editors don't like some >non-printing characters imbedded in a script, sometimes even within >quotes. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 18:32:16 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:32:16 +0100 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: When I want to refer to these non-printable characters in script I use numToChar. The place where they got changed was in actual text stored as custom properties. I'm not sure if this should be marked as a bug. I can understand if my original characters had ascii values above 127 that macToIso and isoToMac might be necessary, but not when the character values are below 127. Bernard On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:16 PM, Stephen Barncard < stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com> wrote: > did you put the actual characters within quotes in the script > > set the itemdelimiter to " " > > or use numToChar() > > I would always use the latter - script editors don't like some non-printing > characters imbedded in a script, sometimes even within quotes. > > > > stephen barncard > > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 18:39:13 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:39:13 +0100 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like it was bugzilla'd a few years ago: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3681 It's a pity it doesn't work as I'd kinda come to rely on those unused ascii characters as delimiters. Bernard On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > When I want to refer to these non-printable characters in script I use > numToChar. The place where they got changed was in actual text stored as > custom properties. > > I'm not sure if this should be marked as a bug. I can understand if my > original characters had ascii values above 127 that macToIso and isoToMac > might be necessary, but not when the character values are below 127. > > Bernard > > > From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com Wed Oct 8 18:48:06 2008 From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:48:06 -0700 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: <48DDA713-1182-4123-91D1-1E2EBFAAB1FF@economy-x-talk.com> References: <48DDA713-1182-4123-91D1-1E2EBFAAB1FF@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <4be051070810081548h26848711u509a3ebfd5397388@mail.gmail.com> I dunno, Mark, but I really don't see this as an example of Scott hijacking RunRev's bandwidth to cut into their existing sales base in that RunRev doesn't sell the same stuff that Scott sells. Plus, there is a wealth of free tutorials that are beneficial to Rev developers on this list. Plus, I seriously doubt that Scott is clearing $$$ on his TM|Gauge/Color/Audioclips etc.; rather, it seems that he is recouping some nominal value for a service to the development community. No disrespect intended to you or Shao Sean though... Judy On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Well... I have to agree with Shao Sean, obviously. Then again, I think it > would have been extremely easy to make the announcement on-topic. Just start > the announcement stating that the location for free Rev-related downloads > has changed and make the design change a side-note. > > Also, I must say that in my personal opinion making an incidental slightly > off-topic announcement isn't as bad as posting an entire newsletter on a > regular basis to this list. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ > > Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See > http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. > > On 8 okt 2008, at 19:22, Jim Ault wrote: > >> On 10/7/08 7:27 PM, "Scott Rossi" wrote: >> >>> Recently, Shao Sean wrote: >>>> >>>> While I agree with the posting that Mark made a few weeks back about not >>>> spamming the list with non-Rev related postings, >>> >>> Nah, that's OK. I get it -- she's right. :-) >> >> Not exactly, Scott. Your contributions and willingness to explore the >> limits of Rev and share are some of the things that make this community >> lively and worth-while. Many who are accomplished and at the leading edge >> will also have some commercial side. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From cszasz at mac.com Wed Oct 8 18:51:35 2008 From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:51:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client In-Reply-To: <665591460810081255g4b60d4c7qb5016031221ae915@mail.gmail.com> References: <19865998.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810071357q69248af3o9ba94f42c2f9c389@mail.gmail.com> <19868839.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810080627i7dd4f3c8ifffffb9ffc7791d2@mail.gmail.com> <665591460810081255g4b60d4c7qb5016031221ae915@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19889149.post@talk.nabble.com> Chipp Thanks! Since I am doing attachments, your altEmailHarness sounds like just what I need. Thanks again! Chipp Walters wrote: > > Charles, > > I have a test SMTP stack based on Shao Sean's SMTP library which > simplifies things quite a bit. It only allows the sending of text > emails, it's called altEmailHarness and you can check it out at: > > http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm > > best, > Chipp > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Sending-an-e-mail-without-a-dedicated-e-mail-client-tp19865998p19889149.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From bobs at twft.com Wed Oct 8 19:21:42 2008 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 16:21:42 -0700 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you sure this is a Rev bug? I seem to recall from the original post that the stack was transferred over ftp or some other internet file transfer. Did you try to zip it before sending it? I know some forms of file transfers can corrupt a file when sent over the internet. It is far less prevalent than it used to be, but that is why encoding was originally used. Files were converted to internet friendly characters because internet routers were originally only designed to pass text based files. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Looks like it was bugzilla'd a few years ago: > http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3681 > > It's a pity it doesn't work as I'd kinda come to rely on those > unused ascii > characters as delimiters. > > Bernard > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Bernard Devlin > wrote: > >> When I want to refer to these non-printable characters in script I >> use >> numToChar. The place where they got changed was in actual text >> stored as >> custom properties. >> >> I'm not sure if this should be marked as a bug. I can understand >> if my >> original characters had ascii values above 127 that macToIso and >> isoToMac >> might be necessary, but not when the character values are below 127. >> >> Bernard >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at chipp.com Wed Oct 8 20:39:02 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 19:39:02 -0500 Subject: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client In-Reply-To: <19889149.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <19865998.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810071357q69248af3o9ba94f42c2f9c389@mail.gmail.com> <19868839.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810080627i7dd4f3c8ifffffb9ffc7791d2@mail.gmail.com> <665591460810081255g4b60d4c7qb5016031221ae915@mail.gmail.com> <19889149.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <665591460810081739g37af9fberd3e21ee8be1dfdbc@mail.gmail.com> Charles, altEmailHarness won't do attachments. I only sends text messages. Plus, you need to set it up with a valid SMTP server in order for it to work. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Charles Szasz wrote: > > Chipp > > Thanks! Since I am doing attachments, your altEmailHarness sounds like just > what I need. Thanks again! > > > > Chipp Walters wrote: >> >> Charles, >> >> I have a test SMTP stack based on Shao Sean's SMTP library which >> simplifies things quite a bit. It only allows the sending of text >> emails, it's called altEmailHarness and you can check it out at: >> >> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm >> >> best, >> Chipp >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Sending-an-e-mail-without-a-dedicated-e-mail-client-tp19865998p19889149.html > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From 3mcgrath at comcast.net Wed Oct 8 20:58:15 2008 From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 20:58:15 -0400 Subject: [ANN] Site Update - Tactile Media In-Reply-To: <665591460810081220o5448a6d5ia0b201b9535e6cfa@mail.gmail.com> References: <48DDA713-1182-4123-91D1-1E2EBFAAB1FF@economy-x-talk.com> <665591460810081220o5448a6d5ia0b201b9535e6cfa@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <34A452A4-9AD2-4353-9C88-A139C0BE1570@comcast.net> No problems here. Keep up the great work keeping this list active and informative. That's why I read it every day. Tom McGrath On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:20 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Do we really have a SPAM issue on this list? Let's not create a > problem where one does not exist. From msrebnik at earthlink.net Wed Oct 8 21:43:36 2008 From: msrebnik at earthlink.net (Mark Srebnik) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:43:36 -0700 Subject: Convert HC Stack to Rev - Without HC? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for your help, Ken! on 10/8/08 7:27 AM, Ken Ray at kray at sonsothunder.com wrote: >> You might look into SheepShaver or vMac -- I have run HyperCard on my OS >> X Intel machine using both. Neither is a perfect solution, but both run >> well enough to get the compaction done. I particularly like the >> suggestion of running vMac/HC from a USB stick that I can just plug in >> whenever I need it (but I've lost the link to that; maybe someone else >> here still has it. You could try a Google on "vMac on a stick".) Ken Ray >> has a tutorial on his web site on how to install SheepShaver, maybe >> he'll chime in with that link. > > Here you go: > > http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/env006.htm > > :-) > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From msrebnik at earthlink.net Wed Oct 8 21:44:32 2008 From: msrebnik at earthlink.net (Mark Srebnik) Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2008 18:44:32 -0700 Subject: Convert HC Stack to Rev - Without HC? In-Reply-To: <48EB876F.1070300@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your help, Jacqueline! Mark on 10/7/08 8:59 AM, J. Landman Gay at jacque at hyperactivesw.com wrote: > Mark Srebnik wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> Would like to convert a HyperCard Stack to Rev if possible. However, from >> reading Jacqueline's excellent tutorial on this I see the following >> problems. >> >> A) Since I use OSX on my MacBook at home, I don't have ability to run >> HyperCard; ie, no Classic anymore... >> >> B) Since I don't have HC to run and edit scripts before converting I can't >> >> 1) comment out XCMD's and FCN's as noted in tutorial... >> >> 2) edit script to change menu references.. >> >> >> Given the above, wondering if there's any workaround in order to do >> conversion??? > > Yes, though you can't do the (often required) "compact stack" part. You > can click the Messages button in Rev's toolbar to turn off messages. > This will eliminate any error reports while you go through the stack to > remove the handlers that are incompatible. > > It is very important to compact the HC stack in HC before importing > however. You may get lucky and things will run fine. But if you see > missing cards, scrambled data, or incorrect images (aside from the alpha > problem) then the stack needs compacting. On rare occasions an > uncompacted stack may not even import at all. > > You might look into SheepShaver or vMac -- I have run HyperCard on my OS > X Intel machine using both. Neither is a perfect solution, but both run > well enough to get the compaction done. I particularly like the > suggestion of running vMac/HC from a USB stick that I can just plug in > whenever I need it (but I've lost the link to that; maybe someone else > here still has it. You could try a Google on "vMac on a stick".) Ken Ray > has a tutorial on his web site on how to install SheepShaver, maybe > he'll chime in with that link. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 00:25:56 2008 From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 21:25:56 -0700 Subject: Why I didn't, and why I may, later. In-Reply-To: <151776.67938.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <151776.67938.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4be051070810082125p775ed7e3r46f358c9a1ce3588@mail.gmail.com> It's not as if Apple didn't give didn't give people HOW many years warning that PPC compatibility was going to be phased out! Judy On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Probably why quite a lot of people with PPC Macs feel cheesed-off about being excluded from 10.6. From rgould8 at aol.com Thu Oct 9 00:40:28 2008 From: rgould8 at aol.com (rgould8 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 00:40:28 -0400 Subject: Is there an all-in-one CPU/Touchscreen/barcode reader device? Message-ID: <8CAF7E04A256883-1528-1DCB@WEBMAIL-DC19.sysops.aol.com> I've seen lots of touchscreens with CPUs built into them, but I haven't yet found one that also has barcode reader build in.? Does anyone know if such an all-in-one device exists?? (Need a Windows solution) From mjmackenzie22 at windstream.net Thu Oct 9 01:03:09 2008 From: mjmackenzie22 at windstream.net (Mark MacKenzie) Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 23:03:09 -0600 Subject: Email Client (Outlook Express) won't start after console error Message-ID: Hello all. After having a program error reported and then quitting the development IDE my Outlook Express won't start. I seem to remember some years ago having a similar problem and there was a registry key for Outlook which had to be reset so that it wouldn't run in invisible messaging mode. Can someone point me to this correction please. I have been searching for several days and can't find the right information. Thank you in advance. Mark MacKenzie Art Conservator & Wet Plate Photographer Alcalde, New Mexico No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (5.0.0.10 - 10.100.039). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 02:31:46 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:31:46 +0100 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's an interesting idea. But it was transferred as binary over ftp, so I would expect that to mean that the ftp process did no translation. I believe it is transferring as ascii over ftp where the 'return' character is translated by ftp. I can't think of any reason why an ftp program should translate the ascii chars that represent 'group separator' and 'file separator'. They have no particular meaning for Unix vs Windows (unlike the 'return' character). AFAIK the way I'm using these characters (as safe delimiters which will not occur anywhere within normal text) is precisely how they should be used. And the description of the bug I referred to (read the first test where the user displays the bug), certainly seems to make more sense. I just cross-checked, and even when it is zipped before transfer, it's the same problem. I'm not sure if one should attribute the bug to Rev or to Apple though. Bernard On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:21 AM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > Are you sure this is a Rev bug? I seem to recall from the original post > that the stack was transferred over ftp or some other internet file > transfer. Did you try to zip it before sending it? > > I know some forms of file transfers can corrupt a file when sent over the > internet. It is far less prevalent than it used to be, but that is why > encoding was originally used. Files were converted to internet friendly > characters because internet routers were originally only designed to pass > text based files. > > Bob Sneidar > IT Manager > Logos Management > Calvary Chapel CM > > > On Oct 8, 2008, at 3:39 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > > Looks like it was bugzilla'd a few years ago: >> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3681 >> >> It's a pity it doesn't work as I'd kinda come to rely on those unused >> ascii >> characters as delimiters. >> >> Bernard >> >> On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:32 PM, Bernard Devlin >> wrote: >> >> When I want to refer to these non-printable characters in script I use >>> numToChar. The place where they got changed was in actual text stored as >>> custom properties. >>> >>> I'm not sure if this should be marked as a bug. I can understand if my >>> original characters had ascii values above 127 that macToIso and isoToMac >>> might be necessary, but not when the character values are below 127. >>> >>> Bernard >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From kray at sonsothunder.com Thu Oct 9 03:14:09 2008 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:14:09 -0500 Subject: [ANN] StackRunner 1.9 Is Available Message-ID: Just a quick note to let you know I've updated StackRunner to use the 3.0 engine; version 1.9 is available for all platforms here: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/StackRunner.htm Enjoy! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From kray at sonsothunder.com Thu Oct 9 03:19:52 2008 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 02:19:52 -0500 Subject: Email Client (Outlook Express) won't start after console error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > After having a program error reported and then quitting the development IDE my > Outlook Express won't start. I seem to remember some years ago having a > similar problem and there was a registry key for Outlook which had to be reset > so that it wouldn't run in invisible messaging mode. > > Can someone point me to this correction please. I have been searching for > several days and can't find the right information. Now sure exactly what you need, but more info would be helpful: What is the "console error" that was reported? What version of Outlook Express/Windows OS is in play here? What do you mean by "invisible messaging mode"? Whatever add'l info you could provide, would help... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Thu Oct 9 03:50:53 2008 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:50:53 +0200 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bonjour Bernard, When you open a stack created on Win with Mac OS, the engine converts all 'texts' (scripts, objects names, etc.) using IsoToMac function (and MacToIso when it's the opposite). There is only one thing that is never converted and stays 'untouched' when switching from a platform to another: custom properties. Because custom properties may contain binaries. So I don't understand... Le 9 oct. 08 ? 00:32, Bernard Devlin a ?crit : > When I want to refer to these non-printable characters in script I use > numToChar. The place where they got changed was in actual text > stored as > custom properties. > > I'm not sure if this should be marked as a bug. I can understand > if my > original characters had ascii values above 127 that macToIso and > isoToMac > might be necessary, but not when the character values are below 127. Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Oct 9 04:20:02 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:20:02 +0200 Subject: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client In-Reply-To: <19889149.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <19865998.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810071357q69248af3o9ba94f42c2f9c389@mail.gmail.com> <19868839.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810080627i7dd4f3c8ifffffb9ffc7791d2@mail.gmail.com> <665591460810081255g4b60d4c7qb5016031221ae915@mail.gmail.com> <19889149.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Charles, Sarah's library does attachments. Shao Sean's library could do it too, with a little more additional scripting. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 9 okt 2008, at 00:51, Charles Szasz wrote: > > Chipp > > Thanks! Since I am doing attachments, your altEmailHarness sounds > like just > what I need. Thanks again! > > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 04:45:31 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:45:31 +0100 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bonjour Eric, I think the problem may be that I'm using these characters within the keys of an array, then storing the array as a custompropertyset. Whilst these characters are not strictly alphanumeric, since they are ascii, I didn't think there would be a problem. But perhaps because they are not the content of the array, there is still an isoToMac conversion going on. And since their numerical value is below 128, I think maybe they are being mis-translated as per the bug I referenced. For about 15 years of my life there was a very good chance that whenever I drove a car it would stop working. Friends and family used to take me along when they were buying a car, and if it didn't break down whilst I did the test drive they would buy it. Then I seemed to lose this 'gift', and in the last 10 years I never had a car break down on me. I'm starting to think the planets have re-aligned themselves, and my 'gift' has returned. In the absence of a car, my 'gift' has found a new target. Bernard On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 8:50 AM, Eric Chatonet < eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote: > Bonjour Bernard, > > When you open a stack created on Win with Mac OS, the engine converts all > 'texts' (scripts, objects names, etc.) using IsoToMac function (and MacToIso > when it's the opposite). > There is only one thing that is never converted and stays 'untouched' when > switching from a platform to another: custom properties. > Because custom properties may contain binaries. > So I don't understand... > Best regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ > Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > From briany at qldlearning.com Thu Oct 9 04:53:45 2008 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 01:53:45 -0700 Subject: Sending an e-mail without a dedicated e-mail client In-Reply-To: References: <19865998.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810071357q69248af3o9ba94f42c2f9c389@mail.gmail.com> <19868839.post@talk.nabble.com> <9b408d8e0810080627i7dd4f3c8ifffffb9ffc7791d2@mail.gmail.com> <665591460810081255g4b60d4c7qb5016031221ae915@mail.gmail.com> <19889149.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: For those you want to send email but are worried about using their own ISPs SMTP server, or getting their messages flagged as spam, it's worth pointing out that there are several services out there for cheap SMTP. A primary perk of using a well-established service like this is that they go to the trouble of getting white-listed at many of the major ISPs. On a recent project, I couldn't get a darn thing past Yahoo! spam filters. Switched to AuthSMTP for a few bucks and now all of my (legitimate confirmation) emails get through. If you're sending email to customers, I personally think it's well worth it. AuthSMTP costs $24 per year to send 1,000 emails a month. I wasted way more than $24 worth of time fighting spam filters that just laid down as soon as I just used this. Marketing will tell you that's 500 emails per dollar. http://authsmtp.com/auth-smtp/pricing.html NOTE: I have no special connection to AuthSMTP. There are other services out there, some actually much cheaper. I just read some good reviews, and so far it has worked well for me... and for a whopping $24 I was willing to not mess with cheaper (but possibly less reliable) services. HTH, Brian > Hi Charles, > > Sarah's library does attachments. Shao Sean's library could do it > too, with a little more additional scripting. > > -- > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ > > Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html > for more info. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Oct 9 04:59:30 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:59:30 +0200 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1AF083DF-B870-4EEE-B77F-4712C44F3A52@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Bernard, Since those characters 29 and 30 are lower ASCII, there shouldn't be any encoding problems. Do you want to send me a very simple, very small stack that shows the same problem? For whatever it is worth, put numtochar(30) is mactoiso(numtochar(30)) returns true. I do indeed wonder whether non-alphanumerics can be used for keys of arrays. I haven't looked this up, though. It seems to take more than a few clicks to find this information. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 9 okt 2008, at 10:45, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Bonjour Eric, > > I think the problem may be that I'm using these characters within > the keys > of an array, then storing the array as a custompropertyset. Whilst > these > characters are not strictly alphanumeric, since they are ascii, I > didn't > think there would be a problem. But perhaps because they are not the > content of the array, there is still an isoToMac conversion going > on. And > since their numerical value is below 128, I think maybe they are being > mis-translated as per the bug I referenced. > Bernard From briany at qldlearning.com Thu Oct 9 05:03:17 2008 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 02:03:17 -0700 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3D4AE9AB-C843-44EC-9C1D-07820529063C@qldlearning.com> Bernard, If your theory holds true (and it sounds plausible - that custom property names are subject to translation but not the property contents), one possible workaround would be to base64Encode() your array keys. It's not terribly elegant, but any base64 encoded key value should survive the translation and then you can decode it again yourself. Something like: ## encode myArray into encodedArray repeat for each line tKey in keys(myArray) put myArray[tKey] into encodedArray[base64Encode(tKey)] end repeat .. ## decode encodedArray into myArray repeat for each line tKey in keys(encodedArray) put encodedArray[tKey] into myArray[base64Decode(tKey)] end repeat NOTE: base64Encode will increase the size of your keys, as it will for example need 4 bytes to encode 3 bytes. Hopefully you don't have huge keys where this would be a big issue. > Bonjour Eric, > > I think the problem may be that I'm using these characters within > the keys > of an array, then storing the array as a custompropertyset. Whilst > these > characters are not strictly alphanumeric, since they are ascii, I > didn't > think there would be a problem. But perhaps because they are not the > content of the array, there is still an isoToMac conversion going > on. And > since their numerical value is below 128, I think maybe they are being > mis-translated as per the bug I referenced. > > For about 15 years of my life there was a very good chance that > whenever I > drove a car it would stop working. Friends and family used to take > me along > when they were buying a car, and if it didn't break down whilst I > did the > test drive they would buy it. Then I seemed to lose this 'gift', > and in the > last 10 years I never had a car break down on me. > > I'm starting to think the planets have re-aligned themselves, and my > 'gift' > has returned. In the absence of a car, my 'gift' has found a new > target. > > Bernard From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk Thu Oct 9 05:13:20 2008 From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:13:20 +0100 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48EDCB30.6000305@harbourhosting.co.uk> Hi Bernard, ISOtoMac changes characters you wouldn't expect. There are historic reasons for this. The answer is to NEVER use the function on blocks of text containing custom delimiters, but only use it on the user readable text fragments - i.e. convert each field individually. A pain, yes, but then you won't have the problem. Martin Baxter P.S. I have looked into these functions in detail and would add the following: 1) They are badly named. They translate between windows-1252 and Mac Roman. 2) They are not the inverse of each other. 3) They are designed to convert the user readable characters, some of which, historically, were stored in what are properly control character code positions. Hence the effect you see. Bernard Devlin wrote: > I have a stack where I use some non-printable ascii chars as delimiters > (specifically, ascii 30 and 29). This stack worked fine on the Windows and > Linux versions of 3.0 (well, until they crashed or went berserk, but > everyone's tired of that story). However, when I moved the stack over to OS > X (ppc), the application stopped working. Upon investigation it turned out > that the delimiters had swapped - they were now ascii 222 and 218. > > Is that to be expected? Nothing else in the stacks seems amiss, and I'm > puzzled by this. I had seen some strange behaviour copying them between > platforms. When copied by scp, the stacks were "corrupted", but copied fine > by ftp binary. When copied by ftp as ascii, opening them crashed Rev 3.0 on > OS X. > > It's not a big deal, but I suppose it might be a gotcha worth noting for > anyone else who uses non-printable ascii chars as delimiters. > > Bernard -- I am Not a Number, I am a free NaN From runrev at animabit.de Thu Oct 9 05:35:34 2008 From: runrev at animabit.de (runrev at animabit.de) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:35:34 +0000 Subject: alternatelanguages ... persistent objects from "createObject" Message-ID: Hello, Using alternatelanguages allows these (like VBS, Javascript) to interact with windows COM objects (using the createObject Syntax f.e. for opening word or excel and write sth there, save it and close). As I asked some weeks ago - how could I reuse such an object later? One answer in the list (I do not find the posting in the moment, sorry for making no credits) was really good: I can use a global variable "result" in the alternatelanguage as an global variable bridge: f.e. from vbs to runrev. This indeed works. But: Could it be possible out of runrev (any idea) to have 2 alternatelanguagescripts runword1.vbs and writeagaininword2.vbs where the second just uses the word object opened by the first. => Can I use a COM-object again by any trick? The first script could perhaps give back an objectID in the "result" variable to runrev, but how could I reconnect the writeagaininword2.vbs to this existing object (if the first script did not close it)? Of course it would be the best runrev could use COM directly ... how about a createObject command in 3.1 ;-) Regards, Franz B?hmisch A second question: What can I do with the XML alternatelanguage on windows? After put the alternatelanguages on one pc I get XML VBScript VBScript.Encode JScript JScript.Encode PerlScript "SignedJavaScript" "SignedVBScript" From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 05:31:42 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:31:42 +0100 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: <48EDCB30.6000305@harbourhosting.co.uk> References: <48EDCB30.6000305@harbourhosting.co.uk> Message-ID: Thanks guys for the suggested workarounds. I might just send Mark a stack which would show the problem - he seems to have an insatiable desire to hunt down bugs and squash them. I already mentioned to him in passing some of my scripting practices and I think he barely contained his horror. This current practice no doubt confirms his belief that I am beyond redemption. Bernard From revolution at derbrill.de Thu Oct 9 05:51:44 2008 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:51:44 +0200 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <20081009014439.64C1028925B@mail.runrev.com> References: <20081009014439.64C1028925B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> Hi all, today is the worst day in my self employment life. I arrived at the office today, just to learn that everything apple branded is gone. Stolen. Away. Not only that, but my external backup HD also vanished and a few things I was pretty fond of, like a keyboard (music) and a microphone. I do not care too much about the machines. Those are replacable. But I lost at least 3 months worth of data. I had something cool coming up, but I am afraid I am thrown back to point zero, at least with the documentation. The people I have been talking off list will know what I mean. So everyone who is involved with that project, I beg your patience, as I really need to start freshly on it. And just now I can't. I just feel like sitting in the corner and weeping. So if any of you has any urgent support queries for AE or other stuff I beg your patience. It might be a day or two until I recover. All the best, Malte From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Oct 9 06:15:08 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:15:08 +0200 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> References: <20081009014439.64C1028925B@mail.runrev.com> <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <835B1959-22F7-4F90-AFD9-74E93E1F40E7@economy-x-talk.com> Damn! I wish you all the best Malte. Indeed, I hope people will bear with you and be patient. Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 9-okt-2008, om 11:51 heeft Malte Brill het volgende geschreven: > Hi all, > > today is the worst day in my self employment life. I arrived at the > office today, just to learn that everything apple branded is gone. > Stolen. Away. > Not only that, but my external backup HD also vanished and a few > things I was pretty fond of, like a keyboard (music) and a microphone. > > I do not care too much about the machines. Those are replacable. > But I lost at least 3 months worth of data. I had something cool > coming up, but I am afraid I am thrown back to point zero, at least > with the documentation. The people I have been talking off list > will know what I mean. So everyone who is involved with that > project, I beg your patience, as I really need to start freshly on > it. And just now I can't. I just feel like sitting in the corner > and weeping. So if any of you has any urgent support queries for AE > or other stuff I beg your patience. It might be a day or two until > I recover. > > All the best, > > Malte From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 06:18:20 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:18:20 +0100 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: References: <48EDCB30.6000305@harbourhosting.co.uk> Message-ID: Sorry Mark, it will have to wait. I went back to use Rev 3.0 on Vista (since I thought that was crashing less than on Linux so I might be able to do this simple task before it crashed). I created a new stack, copied over the custom property, checked the cp was there, closed the property inspector, and Rev crashed. I hadn't saved the damn stack. If anyone doesn't believe me, just ask, and I'll submit the useless crash log to RQCC. I'm too angry with Rev 3.0 to ever switch it on again in Windows or Linux. Thank god I got my powerbook repaired. Using that I was just starting to regain some composure and had stopped hating Rev. When I'm feeling calmer I will try to make the demo stack using 2.8.1 on Windows. That was a far more reliable version for me. Bernard On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:31 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Thanks guys for the suggested workarounds. I might just send Mark a stack > which would show the problem - he seems to have an insatiable desire to hunt > down bugs and squash them. I already mentioned to him in passing some of my > scripting practices and I think he barely contained his horror. This > current practice no doubt confirms his belief that I am beyond redemption. > > Bernard > > From lists at futilism.com Thu Oct 9 06:30:31 2008 From: lists at futilism.com (Mark Smith) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:30:31 +0100 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> References: <20081009014439.64C1028925B@mail.runrev.com> <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> Message-ID: Malte, what a horrible thng to happen. Without going into boring details, I had a roughly similar thing happen to a music project about 7 years ago. All I can really say is that once you've got over the shock, you'll do what everyone does after such a loss - start again and rebuild. And, as one wise friend said in response to my anger at the thieves, "be glad you're you and not them". Best wishes, Mark On 9 Oct 2008, at 10:51, Malte Brill wrote: > Hi all, > > today is the worst day in my self employment life. I arrived at the > office today, just to learn that everything apple branded is gone. > Stolen. Away. > Not only that, but my external backup HD also vanished and a few > things I was pretty fond of, like a keyboard (music) and a microphone. > > I do not care too much about the machines. Those are replacable. > But I lost at least 3 months worth of data. I had something cool > coming up, but I am afraid I am thrown back to point zero, at least > with the documentation. The people I have been talking off list > will know what I mean. So everyone who is involved with that > project, I beg your patience, as I really need to start freshly on > it. And just now I can't. I just feel like sitting in the corner > and weeping. So if any of you has any urgent support queries for AE > or other stuff I beg your patience. It might be a day or two until > I recover. > > All the best, > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Oct 9 07:01:16 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:01:16 +0200 Subject: AW: problems building a rev-valentina standalone on mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <458C54AE7EB949379B142F9D2E444DEE@Kestner.local> Hi all, after getting to the bottom of this problem with Ruslan, it seems to be that I am the only one who has his IDE on Win XP and wants to deploy a Rev-Valentina app on Mac (I have just a studio licence for Win!). Hopefully I am actually not the only one and someone can point me to the fault. The thing is, that The Rev standalone builder on Win doesn't care about the relevant Valentina files at all and just doesn't create anything for Mac (what is mentioned nowhere). Now I am trying to copy manually the needed files and folders and bundles from Mac into my Standalone bundle on Win, but I am failing with every constellation, probably because I have a massive lack of knowledge of the secrets of Mac bundle structures. What Ruslan told me to do is the following: 1. copy "v4rev.bundle" from Mac into the Standalone folder ...\MacOS\Externals\ on Win 2. copy "dbvalentina2" from Mac into the Stanalone folder ...\MacOS\Externals\database_drivers\ on Win After transferring the Mac Standalone from Win to Mac and running the special Valentina deployment script on the Mac I looked into the package information of my app and I am wondering why there is a difference between the "v4rev.bundle" and "dbvalentina2" folder in my package. It shows (beside of other non Valentina files): Contents\MacOS\Externals\v4rev.bundle Contents\MacOS\Externals\database_drivers\dbvalentina2\Contents\MacOS\dbVale ntina2 I don't know if this structure is correct Ruslan either and my Mac standalone still doesn't finds Valentina. What I don't understand is both folders "v4rev.bundle" and "dbvalentina2" look in its structure the same on Win (with Contents, MacOS, Resources,...), but after transferring to the Mac the "v4rev.bundle" has no further content and has a "shield" symbol but the "dbvalentina2" folder has a deeper structure (see above) and has a "folder" symbol. I don't know, if both folders are bundles and what is the difference between a bundle and a folder and why their structure looks completely different after importing on the Mac. Is it just the name of the folder ".bundle"? could this be the mistake that "dbvalentina2" should be ""dbvalentina2.bundle"? Anybody out there using Valentina on Win? Tiemo > > Hello, > > I just switched from SQLite to Valentina and got it to run so far and fast > in my Win XP DIE, but now I am struggeling with building the Mac > standalone. > I followed all Valentina docs, with running the deployment script etc, > what > seems to work fine, but my standalone on Mac doesn't find Valentina. At > least "VDatabase_Constructor()" returns empty, without any error message. > Ruslan told me that I have to get the v4rev.bundle in my app externals > folder, but there isn't this bundle and I don't know how to get such a > bundle in my app bundle. From rjb at robelko.com Thu Oct 9 07:05:55 2008 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:05:55 +0200 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >But here's what I'm seeing with some stacks: > >[user at localhost ~]$ ls *.rev >perf-test-leg.rev test-legacy.rev >[user at localhost ~]$ more test-legacy.rev >#!/bin/sh ># MetaCard 2.4 stack ># The following is not ASCII text, ># so now would be a good time to q out of more^L >[user at localhost ~]$ more test-legacy.rev > <<<---- REV 3.0 was quit just before this point >REVO2700?revNavigator 1 ?R??global >gScriptBuddyIDarray,gScriptBuddyLineArray,gSB >UpdateSelection,gSBLeadSpaces An escape route could have been to make a copy of the stack file (in linux) while it was proven to be in the old format, that is before quiting Rev. Robert From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Oct 9 07:22:53 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:22:53 +0200 Subject: AW: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <6C77FE42213A4B06931E394EF67BFDAA@Kestner.local> Hi Malte, thats really the worst scenario for your business I can think of. After I heard of a similar situation some time ago I got really paranoiac about such a scenario and improved my backup strategy. Hoping you get up again soon! All the best Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Malte Brill > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Oktober 2008 11:52 > An: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Betreff: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) > > Hi all, > > today is the worst day in my self employment life. I arrived at the > office today, just to learn that everything apple branded is gone. > Stolen. Away. > Not only that, but my external backup HD also vanished and a few > things I was pretty fond of, like a keyboard (music) and a microphone. > > I do not care too much about the machines. Those are replacable. But I > lost at least 3 months worth of data. I had something cool coming up, > but I am afraid I am thrown back to point zero, at least with the > documentation. The people I have been talking off list will know what > I mean. So everyone who is involved with that project, I beg your > patience, as I really need to start freshly on it. And just now I > can't. I just feel like sitting in the corner and weeping. So if any > of you has any urgent support queries for AE or other stuff I beg your > patience. It might be a day or two until I recover. > > All the best, > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Thu Oct 9 07:46:55 2008 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:46:55 +0300 Subject: AW: problems building a rev-valentina standalone on mac In-Reply-To: <458C54AE7EB949379B142F9D2E444DEE@Kestner.local> Message-ID: On 10/9/08 2:01 PM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote: Hi Tiemo, > I don't know if this structure is correct Ruslan either and my Mac > standalone still doesn't finds Valentina. What I don't understand is both > folders "v4rev.bundle" and "dbvalentina2" look in its structure the same on > Win (with Contents, MacOS, Resources,...), but after transferring to the Mac > the "v4rev.bundle" has no further content and has a "shield" symbol but the > "dbvalentina2" folder has a deeper structure (see above) and has a "folder" > symbol. I don't know, if both folders are bundles and what is the difference > between a bundle and a folder and why their structure looks completely > different after importing on the Mac. Is it just the name of the folder > ".bundle"? could this be the mistake that "dbvalentina2" should be > ""dbvalentina2.bundle"? > Anybody out there using Valentina on Win? Main point is We need copy MAC's files: V4REV.bundle and dbvalentina2 Not AFTER you have build Standalone. No. You need copy them on your Windows computer from MAC And place into Runtime/MAC OS X folder, So REV IDE will use them self during building of APP. --- Next point keep in mind is: Starting from REV 2.7, they have split in two parts A) REV engine area => Runtime folder. We should not touch it B) third party externals area => My Documents folder. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From toolbook at kestner.de Thu Oct 9 08:24:50 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:24:50 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: problems building a rev-valentina standalone on mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <24E78CD56E41415A98AA2DE79315873D@Kestner.local> Hi Ruslan, sorry, I really feel stupid, but the standalone builder on my Win XP doesn't takes the valentina bundels into the standalone. What I did is, I copied the "v4rev.bundle" and "database_drivers\dbvalentina2" folder (which I took from the Mac) into: C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Tiemo.KESTNER\Eigene Dateien\My Revolution Studio\Runtime\Mac OS X\Universal\ (as well as in: "...\Mac OS X\PowerPC-32\" and ... \Mac OS X\x86-32\") The "Externals.txt" in: C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Tiemo.KESTNER\Eigene Dateien\My Revolution Studio\Externals\ shows one line with "Valentina2,v4rev.dll" And the "Database drivers.txt" in: C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Tiemo.KESTNER\Eigene Dateien\My Revolution Studio\Externals\Database Drivers\ shows one line with "Valentina2,dbvalentina2.dll" I have checked the "Valentina2" script library in the standalone settings. But after building the Mac standalone there are no valentina bundles in the standalone. What else to do? Or are we again at the wrong location? Thanks Tiemo > > Main point is > > We need copy MAC's files: > V4REV.bundle and dbvalentina2 > > Not AFTER you have build Standalone. No. > > You need copy them on your Windows computer from MAC > And place into Runtime/MAC OS X folder, > So REV IDE will use them self during building of APP. > > > --- > Next point keep in mind is: > > Starting from REV 2.7, they have split in two parts > > A) REV engine area => Runtime folder. We should not touch it > B) third party externals area => My Documents folder. > > > > > -- > Best regards, > > Ruslan Zasukhin From 3mcgrath at comcast.net Thu Oct 9 08:47:55 2008 From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:47:55 -0400 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> References: <20081009014439.64C1028925B@mail.runrev.com> <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <14608435-09CB-425C-A493-23219572A6F5@comcast.net> Malte, I can totally relate to this. And all I can tell you is "It sucks"! That said, time will pass and the feeling of being violated will start to go away. I feel for what you are going through. I found for me that using the readjustment time to reorganize my life and since I was 'starting over' to make things better than they had been before. Before some of the things I had were put together piece meal as time went on but this time around instead I planned it all out and optimized my entire system and work flow and practices. Also, it's time to look at Time Machine/Airport in a locked box or hidden in a closet for your most important asset which is your backups. Having my most recent work backed up in a safe place gives me a great piece of mind. Then also once a month consider an offsite backup as well. DVDs are good for this since the offsite stuff is not really meant for long term solutions but rather as a backup to the backup. Anyway, Know that we all have you back and if you need anything at all let us know. Your list friend, Tom McGrath III On Oct 9, 2008, at 5:51 AM, Malte Brill wrote: > Hi all, > > today is the worst day in my self employment life. I arrived at the > office today, just to learn that everything apple branded is gone. > Stolen. Away. > Not only that, but my external backup HD also vanished and a few > things I was pretty fond of, like a keyboard (music) and a microphone. > > I do not care too much about the machines. Those are replacable. But > I lost at least 3 months worth of data. I had something cool coming > up, but I am afraid I am thrown back to point zero, at least with > the documentation. The people I have been talking off list will know > what I mean. So everyone who is involved with that project, I beg > your patience, as I really need to start freshly on it. And just now > I can't. I just feel like sitting in the corner and weeping. So if > any of you has any urgent support queries for AE or other stuff I > beg your patience. It might be a day or two until I recover. > > All the best, > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Thu Oct 9 09:15:37 2008 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 15:15:37 +0200 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> References: <20081009014439.64C1028925B@mail.runrev.com> <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> Message-ID: Dear Malte, Le 9 oct. 08 ? 11:51, Malte Brill a ?crit : > today is the worst day in my self employment life I'm very sad for you. It's a violation and I hope you don't you don't feel too desperate. So let's focus on possible solutions: The really secure one is to 'delocalize' and have a backup on the web: MobileMe or another similar service. Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From nealk3nc at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 10:00:13 2008 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:00:13 -0400 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: References: <20081009014439.64C1028925B@mail.runrev.com> <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <325413300810090700xb6984dfpe66914e98672866f@mail.gmail.com> Also my sincere regrets. I have done this to myself by formatting the wrong drive that had my source repository by mistake and not having a backup. I still have the executable on my website but I cannot support/enhance it because its gone. I always read in programming books that you almost always need to solve the programming once before you really know how to solve it so maybe revision 2 will be a better effort than the original (although thats laughing thru the tears). My godsend solution is Sugarsync. They give you 10 gb of free storage and their client runs in the background on both windows and os x machines (I use both in both laptop and desktop scenarios). It allows you to create a magic briefcase on your computer that is automatically synced with all computers as well as access other directories directly from their website. I upgraded to the 30gb plan which is very reasonable and more than covers my project directories. It also provides some version control capabilities but nothing like SVN/CVS/Git which I find more trouble than worth at my location. Again my deepest sympathies and know tomorrow will be a better day! Neal -- Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux (540) 242 0911 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at www.abrohamnealsoftware.com - $15.99 ------------------------------------------------- For a great dog book, visit www.abrohamneal.com ------------------------------------------------- See the FlexRadio Systems Flex-5000a in action at www.flex-videos.com From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Oct 9 10:27:49 2008 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:27:49 -0300 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> References: <20081009014439.64C1028925B@mail.runrev.com> <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10810090727i13ff0341k112d8dec1238c701@mail.gmail.com> Malte, What a horrible thing! I thought this happened only here in Brazil. There's not much I can say, similar thing happened once to me and someone said to me: "now you can do it even better". The felling of loss and frustration at lost labor is terrible. If there's anything I can do to help, just email me. We know you'll get thru this! And also AE rocks! Andre On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Malte Brill wrote: > Hi all, > > today is the worst day in my self employment life. I arrived at the office > today, just to learn that everything apple branded is gone. Stolen. Away. > Not only that, but my external backup HD also vanished and a few things I > was pretty fond of, like a keyboard (music) and a microphone. > > I do not care too much about the machines. Those are replacable. But I lost > at least 3 months worth of data. I had something cool coming up, but I am > afraid I am thrown back to point zero, at least with the documentation. The > people I have been talking off list will know what I mean. So everyone who > is involved with that project, I beg your patience, as I really need to > start freshly on it. And just now I can't. I just feel like sitting in the > corner and weeping. So if any of you has any urgent support queries for AE > or other stuff I beg your patience. It might be a day or two until I > recover. > > All the best, > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From kray at sonsothunder.com Thu Oct 9 10:35:38 2008 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:35:38 -0500 Subject: alternatelanguages ... persistent objects from "createObject" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > But: Could it be possible out of runrev (any idea) to have 2 > alternatelanguagescripts > runword1.vbs and > writeagaininword2.vbs > where the second just uses the word object opened by the first. => Can I use a > COM-object again by any trick? > The first script could perhaps give back an objectID in the "result" variable > to runrev, but how could I reconnect the writeagaininword2.vbs to this > existing object (if the first script did not close it)? Just curious - why would you need to do this instead of just creating a new object? The reason I ask is that you can successfully link to currently open instances of applications (I'm thinking MS Office primarily) to manipulate them from multiple independent scripts. That is, you can use VBS with createObject to launch an instance of Excel, say, and get a sheet started, and then later use another VBS with createObject to add data to the same worksheet in Excel. > Of course it would be the best runrev could use COM directly ... how about a > createObject command in 3.1 ;-) That would be nice! :-) > What can I do with the XML alternatelanguage on windows? Sorry, haven't done anything with that... maybe someone else can chime in... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From kray at sonsothunder.com Thu Oct 9 10:43:29 2008 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:43:29 -0500 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10810090727i13ff0341k112d8dec1238c701@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > What a horrible thing! I thought this happened only here in Brazil. > There's not much I can say, similar thing happened once to me and > someone said to me: "now you can do it even better". The felling of > loss and frustration at lost labor is terrible. If there's anything I > can do to help, just email me. I second that, Malte... and I'm sure there are others too who are wanting to help in any way possible. Just let us know! I'm only "glad" that you only lost 3 months of data and not more than that (although I know that 3 months of development is a lot to redo). And thanks, Neal, for the tip about SugarSync... I've been thinking about offsite/online backup, and it looks like a good option. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Oct 9 10:44:35 2008 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:44:35 -0300 Subject: Why I didn't, and why I may, later. In-Reply-To: <4be051070810082125p775ed7e3r46f358c9a1ce3588@mail.gmail.com> References: <151776.67938.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4be051070810082125p775ed7e3r46f358c9a1ce3588@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10810090744q200b1526o7a93d9f8cd418757@mail.gmail.com> err... does 10.5 runs on PPC? I thought ppc was limited to 10.4... :-O On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Judy Perry wrote: > It's not as if Apple didn't give didn't give people HOW many years > warning that PPC compatibility was going to be phased out! > > Judy > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > > >> Probably why quite a lot of people with PPC Macs feel cheesed-off about being excluded from 10.6. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From nealk3nc at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 10:49:34 2008 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:49:34 -0400 Subject: Why I didn't, and why I may, later. In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10810090744q200b1526o7a93d9f8cd418757@mail.gmail.com> References: <151776.67938.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4be051070810082125p775ed7e3r46f358c9a1ce3588@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a10810090744q200b1526o7a93d9f8cd418757@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <325413300810090749x61a97869s9babc3ab70cf8af2@mail.gmail.com> Yes it runs on PPC, I think Snowbunny will not however. Neal k3nc On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > err... > > does 10.5 runs on PPC? I thought ppc was limited to 10.4... :-O > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Judy Perry wrote: >> It's not as if Apple didn't give didn't give people HOW many years >> warning that PPC compatibility was going to be phased out! >> >> Judy >> >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: >> >> >>> Probably why quite a lot of people with PPC Macs feel cheesed-off about being excluded from 10.6. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux (540) 242 0911 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at www.abrohamnealsoftware.com - $15.99 ------------------------------------------------- For a great dog book, visit www.abrohamneal.com ------------------------------------------------- See the FlexRadio Systems Flex-5000a in action at www.flex-videos.com From sundown at pacifier.com Thu Oct 9 10:52:49 2008 From: sundown at pacifier.com (-= JB =-) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 07:52:49 -0700 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> References: <20081009014439.64C1028925B@mail.runrev.com> <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <149987B0-EBB1-4922-9325-C7AE5A5DB239@pacifier.com> Hi Malte, Sorry to hear about the criminal activity. The world is going through some hard changes so we all need to be careful and your message is a good warning to those who haven't experienced the dark side of humanity yet. If I told you what has been happening to me you would understand things can be worse. Don't give up and remember how quickly things can change for the better no matter how bad things are going. I am encouraged with your projects and hope to see them soon. -=>JB<=- On Oct 9, 2008, at 2:51 AM, Malte Brill wrote: > Hi all, > > today is the worst day in my self employment life. I arrived at the > office today, just to learn that everything apple branded is gone. > Stolen. Away. > Not only that, but my external backup HD also vanished and a few > things I was pretty fond of, like a keyboard (music) and a microphone. > > I do not care too much about the machines. Those are replacable. > But I lost at least 3 months worth of data. I had something cool > coming up, but I am afraid I am thrown back to point zero, at least > with the documentation. The people I have been talking off list > will know what I mean. So everyone who is involved with that > project, I beg your patience, as I really need to start freshly on > it. And just now I can't. I just feel like sitting in the corner > and weeping. So if any of you has any urgent support queries for AE > or other stuff I beg your patience. It might be a day or two until > I recover. > > All the best, > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From nealk3nc at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 11:27:34 2008 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell K3NC) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:27:34 -0400 Subject: Why I didn't, and why I may, later. In-Reply-To: <325413300810090749x61a97869s9babc3ab70cf8af2@mail.gmail.com> References: <151776.67938.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4be051070810082125p775ed7e3r46f358c9a1ce3588@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a10810090744q200b1526o7a93d9f8cd418757@mail.gmail.com> <325413300810090749x61a97869s9babc3ab70cf8af2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7D192BE1-36F6-4AF5-949B-7FCEF6963750@gmail.com> I cannot believe I just called SnowLeopard Snowbunny (but I might copyright the name for future usage!!) Neal Campbell www.abrohamnealsoftware.com AIM:nealk3nc On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Neal Campbell wrote: > Yes it runs on PPC, I think Snowbunny will not however. > > Neal k3nc > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Andre Garzia > wrote: >> err... >> >> does 10.5 runs on PPC? I thought ppc was limited to 10.4... :-O >> >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Judy Perry > > wrote: >>> It's not as if Apple didn't give didn't give people HOW many years >>> warning that PPC compatibility was going to be phased out! >>> >>> Judy >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Richmond Mathewson >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Probably why quite a lot of people with PPC Macs feel cheesed-off >>>> about being excluded from 10.6. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > > > -- > Neal Campbell > Abroham Neal Software > Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux > (540) 242 0911 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com - $15.99 > ------------------------------------------------- > For a great dog book, visit www.abrohamneal.com > ------------------------------------------------- > See the FlexRadio Systems Flex-5000a in > action at www.flex-videos.com From jerry.daniels at me.com Thu Oct 9 11:42:35 2008 From: jerry.daniels at me.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 10:42:35 -0500 Subject: Why I didn't, and why I may, later. In-Reply-To: <7D192BE1-36F6-4AF5-949B-7FCEF6963750@gmail.com> References: <151776.67938.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4be051070810082125p775ed7e3r46f358c9a1ce3588@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a10810090744q200b1526o7a93d9f8cd418757@mail.gmail.com> <325413300810090749x61a97869s9babc3ab70cf8af2@mail.gmail.com> <7D192BE1-36F6-4AF5-949B-7FCEF6963750@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8B8A036F-4E29-4E99-836E-D842F52FB541@me.com> Snowbunny. I think we learned from Monty Python that rabbits can be quite formidable--a known requirement for an OS X code name. Therefore, I, for one, would wholeheartedly endorse "Snowbunny" as the code name for the code name for the upcoming new version of OS X. Best, Jerry Daniels Daniels & Mara, Inc. Makers of GLX2 http://www.glx2.com On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Neal Campbell K3NC wrote: > I cannot believe I just called SnowLeopard Snowbunny (but I might > copyright the name for future usage!!) > > > Neal Campbell > > www.abrohamnealsoftware.com > AIM:nealk3nc > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Neal Campbell wrote: > >> Yes it runs on PPC, I think Snowbunny will not however. >> >> Neal k3nc >> >> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Andre Garzia >> wrote: >>> err... >>> >>> does 10.5 runs on PPC? I thought ppc was limited to 10.4... :-O >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Judy Perry >> > wrote: >>>> It's not as if Apple didn't give didn't give people HOW many years >>>> warning that PPC compatibility was going to be phased out! >>>> >>>> Judy >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Richmond Mathewson >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Probably why quite a lot of people with PPC Macs feel cheesed- >>>>> off about being excluded from 10.6. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Neal Campbell >> Abroham Neal Software >> Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux >> (540) 242 0911 >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at >> www.abrohamnealsoftware.com - $15.99 >> ------------------------------------------------- >> For a great dog book, visit www.abrohamneal.com >> ------------------------------------------------- >> See the FlexRadio Systems Flex-5000a in >> action at www.flex-videos.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From nealk3nc at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 12:01:04 2008 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:01:04 +0100 Subject: Why I didn't, and why I may, later. In-Reply-To: <8B8A036F-4E29-4E99-836E-D842F52FB541@me.com> References: <151776.67938.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <4be051070810082125p775ed7e3r46f358c9a1ce3588@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a10810090744q200b1526o7a93d9f8cd418757@mail.gmail.com> <325413300810090749x61a97869s9babc3ab70cf8af2@mail.gmail.com> <7D192BE1-36F6-4AF5-949B-7FCEF6963750@gmail.com> <8B8A036F-4E29-4E99-836E-D842F52FB541@me.com> Message-ID: <325413300810090901p588e366fo195bdd0d3c6fb5bd@mail.gmail.com> I will license it for the next GLX application for free if you want to use it! What a marketing coup! Neal On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 4:42 PM, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Snowbunny. > > I think we learned from Monty Python that rabbits can be quite formidable--a > known requirement for an OS X code name. > > Therefore, I, for one, would wholeheartedly endorse "Snowbunny" as the code > name for the code name for the upcoming new version of OS X. > > Best, > > Jerry Daniels > > Daniels & Mara, Inc. > Makers of GLX2 > http://www.glx2.com > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Neal Campbell K3NC wrote: > >> I cannot believe I just called SnowLeopard Snowbunny (but I might >> copyright the name for future usage!!) >> >> >> Neal Campbell >> >> www.abrohamnealsoftware.com >> AIM:nealk3nc >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Oct 9, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Neal Campbell wrote: >> >>> Yes it runs on PPC, I think Snowbunny will not however. >>> >>> Neal k3nc >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 10:44 AM, Andre Garzia >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> err... >>>> >>>> does 10.5 runs on PPC? I thought ppc was limited to 10.4... :-O >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Judy Perry >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It's not as if Apple didn't give didn't give people HOW many years >>>>> warning that PPC compatibility was going to be phased out! >>>>> >>>>> Judy >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Richmond Mathewson >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Probably why quite a lot of people with PPC Macs feel cheesed-off >>>>>> about being excluded from 10.6. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Neal Campbell >>> Abroham Neal Software >>> Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux >>> (540) 242 0911 >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at >>> www.abrohamnealsoftware.com - $15.99 >>> ------------------------------------------------- >>> For a great dog book, visit www.abrohamneal.com >>> ------------------------------------------------- >>> See the FlexRadio Systems Flex-5000a in >>> action at www.flex-videos.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux (540) 242 0911 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Try Spot for OS X, the intelligent DXCluster Client at www.abrohamnealsoftware.com - $15.99 ------------------------------------------------- For a great dog book, visit www.abrohamneal.com ------------------------------------------------- See the FlexRadio Systems Flex-5000a in action at www.flex-videos.com From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 12:05:22 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:05:22 +0100 Subject: more rev 3.0 woes - losing the will to live In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That was actually suggested by Mark (I think). But in the end I used Ken Ray's workaround from bugzilla. Thanks for the suggestion though. Some very kind and helpful people on this list. Bernard On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote: > But here's what I'm seeing with some stacks: >> >> [user at localhost ~]$ ls *.rev >> perf-test-leg.rev test-legacy.rev >> [user at localhost ~]$ more test-legacy.rev >> #!/bin/sh >> # MetaCard 2.4 stack >> # The following is not ASCII text, >> # so now would be a good time to q out of more^L >> [user at localhost ~]$ more test-legacy.rev >> <<<---- REV 3.0 was quit just before this point >> REVO2700 ?revNavigator 1 ?R??global >> gScriptBuddyIDarray,gScriptBuddyLineArray,gSB >> UpdateSelection,gSBLeadSpaces >> > > An escape route could have been to make a copy of the stack file (in linux) > while it was proven to be in the old format, that is before quiting Rev. > > Robert > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Oct 9 12:10:42 2008 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:10:42 -0700 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> References: <20081009014439.64C1028925B@mail.runrev.com> <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> Message-ID: Hey Malte, Here's a hug from San Francisco.. Very sorry for your machine and data loss. I live in fear of such a scenario.. I am so paranoid about losing stuff.. 1) work from home, and I'm always here (hermit?) 2) Time machine is always running, 2nd 500g drive in the G5 3) Bootable backups of main machine using Foldersynchronizer every week -- my projects are completely contained in a MacOSX .app package, 'splash screen' -- and I work on the stacks "in situ" ; in place. 4) I use "Touch" every day on the .app package 5) Project .app package with all scripts and resources uploaded to local server every day 6) I have a handler in my development sandbox that "tars", then "zips" the .app package, then uploads to a directory at dreamhost. I call this every day. Still, with all of this, I've had panic moments, losing a stack I worked on all day that didn't have it's own file, somehow got detached and lost in space (substacks... not anymore). I looked everywhere for quite a while until I found a stack that I had forgotten I had saved. sqb >Hi all, > >today is the worst day in my self employment life. I arrived at the >office today, just to learn that everything apple branded is gone. >Stolen. Away. > >Malte -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From scott at tactilemedia.com Thu Oct 9 12:27:26 2008 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:27:26 -0700 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <325413300810090700xb6984dfpe66914e98672866f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Malte: Very sorry to hear about your loss. I am sure you are disheartened, but the Revolution community needs your stuff, so please continue. Perhaps get away from work and take a couple of days to recover. Just a couple of thoughts: maybe you gave some of your development work to a friend or colleague to review/test? If so, you might be able to retrieve some small portion of your of work there. Also, I've seen several stories about tracking down stolen machines through their access of the Internet -- somehow discovering the address. Perhaps there is some option there for you. Finally, following the backup suggestions from several other developers, there is Jungle Disk (jungledisk.com). For all platforms, this service uses Amazon S3 for amazingly cheap storage: a US$20 one time cost for the desktop software, and beginning Nov 1 storage costs of US$0.15 (15 cents) per TB (yes, terrabyte). You also pay a few cents for transfer costs, but the amount is also minimal. I have many GBs stored there and pay one dollar a month (EU pricing is comparable). Again, best wishes to you. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From geradamas at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 12:42:52 2008 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Why I didn't, and why I may, later. Message-ID: <738616.40684.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Judy Perry wrote: "It's not as if Apple didn't give didn't give people HOW many years warning that PPC compatibility was going to be phased out!" 1. Not that long really. 2. Apple did not tell PPC users they would be left with an OS that still contained all sorts of glitches and a rather messy, inconsistent GUI. I am absolutely sure that Apple could, should they so wish, belt out a PPC version of 10.6 that was as light for PPCs as they claim Snow Leopard will be for INTEL Macs. But they won't because they want people to dump their PPCs and buy INTEL machines. This is, of course, based on the supposition that every Mac user has the money and the inclination to buy a new Mac every 2 years. With an INTEL Mac, I haven't, and I probably won't, prefering either to buy a relatively cheap PC (or bash one together out of bits and pieces) and run either a Linux distro or (Heaven forfend) "Hackintosh"; especially after reading recently about smelly machines. However, fingers crossed, step on my toe, etc. my collection of PPC Macs are all doing sterling service right now; come to think of it my macMini PPC is only 3 years old! I have downloaded RunRev 3 and am currently "playing" with it; I certainly would rather buy RR 3 than buy a new Mac as: a. it functions perfectly adequately on my G3 iMac. b. it can produce software for several Operating Systems (but not RISC !!!). c. ? for ? it gives, me at least, more bang for your buck than a new computer. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Oct 9 12:57:13 2008 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 09:57:13 -0700 Subject: [OT] "Clickjacking" Message-ID: <48EE37E9.50404@fourthworld.com> Maybe this is only semi-OT, since RunRev has announced plans to deliver a browser plugin: Web Surfers Face Dangerous New Threat: 'Clickjacking' Internet and Web browser security experts are sounding the alarm about a new type of malicious attack called "clickjacking," a technique that can be used to dupe Web surfers into revealing confidential information while clicking on seemingly innocuous Web pages. Among other things, a clickjacking attack can be used to take control of a computer's Webcam and microphone without the knowledge of the user. Clickjacking has been identified as a vulnerability for the Adobe Flash player, as well as for every major browser, including Firefox, Internet Explorer, Opera, Safari and even the newly released Google Chrome. "It is a very serious problem," said Giorgio Maone, the author of a widely praised free Firefox extension called NoScript, which blocks potentially malicious scripts from running in the Firefox browser. "Clickjacking is a very simple attack to build, and now that the details are out, any script kid can try it successfully," Maone warned. "There's no estimate to the number of trap sites, and it's unlikely that we will see any credible report about the number of sites using this technique, because there are literally infinite ways to implement such an attack, therefore no signature-based scanning can detect it automatically." ... Maone agreed. "This problem comes from features which are integral to the modern Web as we know it," he said, "and especially from the ability of Web pages to embed arbitrary content from different sites, or to host little applications (applets) through plug-ins like Adobe Flash, Java or Microsoft Silverlight." Maone predicted that a general browser fix won't be developed any time soon, since the real solution lies in developing a general consensus about changing existing Web standards in the various Internet standardization groups. Adobe's remedy is available here: There are several implication with this: 1. People will become more wary of plugins The risks of running compiled code within a browser will at last be given appropriate attention. When running compiled code, even as a plugin, the code can make use of any API the OS provides, and there's no way to know what it's doing. This is not new, but most lay people have been lulled into a false sense of security under the misconception that if it runs in a browser it's somehow restricted to the browser's sandbox. This news corrects that misconception. 2. Plugin vendors will have to work harder to gain confidence Deploying new web plugins has always been difficult in a world where Flash is pre-installed, but these perceptual challenges will increase given #1 above, requiring extra effort from the vendor to convince an audience of the soundness of a plugin. With this exploit occurring in the most popular plugin of all, we can expect the perceptual challenges to effect new (in the minds of users and IT staffers, read "untested") plugins even more strongly. 3. Plugin APIs may become more onerous, and therefore expensive This is pure conjecture on my part, but to the degree that #1 has any traction we may find browser vendors responding by attempting to provide safeguards within their APIs to try to minimize such risks. It's hard to say what they might come up with, but it seems unlikely they'll continue to keep the plugin API as a sort of open-ended "wild west" of possibilities, perhaps using Java's restrictions as a model. Such restrictions, however necessary to regain user trust, may limit capabilities and/or increase the development challenges of making plugins. I don't mean to rain on the plugin parade, but I do feel it's useful to maintain a sober awareness of how the market may respond to this exposure. Those anticipating plugin deployment within their own organizations will likely see little difference in its acceptability. But those planning public sites driven by a plugin for a more general audience may do well to be prepared to address security concerns. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From bobs at twft.com Thu Oct 9 13:11:28 2008 From: bobs at twft.com (Bob Sneidar) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:11:28 -0700 Subject: Why I didn't, and why I may, later. In-Reply-To: <738616.40684.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <738616.40684.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <976CD362-7AAD-4ED8-84E9-B02BD5E0CE2A@twft.com> I just want to chime in on this a bit. In the past, one of the reasons cited for Windows continued stability problems was their apparent need to maintain backward compatibility with hardware and older software. It seems that their huge market share turned out to be somewhat of an achilles heel to future development. Now in this day and age everyone wants faster, bigger, more powerful. Ok. Fair enough. But is it fair to then demand compatibility for new operating systems with older hardware technologies? I don't think so. You can't have your cake and eat it to. I for one would be dismayed if Apple chose to stifle innovation and progress in favor of "backward compatibility". It would kill the company IMHO. People buy Apple products because they want and sometimes even NEED the latest greatest technology. And let's not forget that Apple has a GREAT track record for longevity. My father has purchased at least 3 new PC's in the last 6 years, because each time he wants to upgrade, his PC doesn't have the performance, or memory, or hard drive etc. to support the latest Windows OS. I still have my powerbook from a long time ago, and although I am using the company's Intel Macbook Pro, that old Powerbook is still a very viable platform. And let's be honest here. The older machines are STILL running and any software you buy today STILL run on it, and it isn't even painful! Just because you cannot have the latest greatest OS on a 3 year old machine does not mean you bury it in the ground and build a funeral pyre over it. Bob Sneidar IT Manager Logos Management Calvary Chapel CM From mikeythek at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 13:24:04 2008 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:24:04 -0400 Subject: [OT] "Clickjacking" In-Reply-To: <48EE37E9.50404@fourthworld.com> References: <48EE37E9.50404@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e0810091024i5ea6f80aw3352a7c99b6e14cc@mail.gmail.com> If you didn't know, this was announced a week or so ago, which is good news, because it means that NoScript has once again come to the rescue. If you don't know what that is, then you probably aren't using FireFox. NoScript is an extremely important extension for FireFox that will prevent just about every known scripting vulnerability in HTML, DHTML, XHTML, Java, JavaScript, etc. NoScript is not available for any of the other browsers, regardless of platform. NoScript works on all platforms that Firefox runs on. So my first recommendation to all of my folks is 1) Install FF 2) Install NoScript 3) Just for your own sanity also install AdBlockPlus. I have my folks subscribe to EasyList inside AdBlock Plus (the subscriptions will pop up when ABP launches for the first time) 5) Install CustomizeGoogle. For the latter make sure that all of the services that can be so set are set to use https instead of http. 6) Don't call me. The only reason you would call me is if you did not do one of the steps in 1-5, or when you were presented with a warning or something requiring confirmation you made the wrong decision. While people who complain that Vista is to restrictive are going to not like NoScript at first, either, more importantly, they won't be calling me for help. From mikeythek at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 13:25:58 2008 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:25:58 -0400 Subject: [OT] "Clickjacking" In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0810091024i5ea6f80aw3352a7c99b6e14cc@mail.gmail.com> References: <48EE37E9.50404@fourthworld.com> <9b408d8e0810091024i5ea6f80aw3352a7c99b6e14cc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e0810091025u724d681fmefe602da1be5ff60@mail.gmail.com> None of the above helps you if you are running a program that has an embedded browser that forces you to use IE or Safari, though, so keep that in mind when you allow those programs to hit the web for you. If you're using one of the tools that lets you pick the browser that will be embedded, then you're grinning. From chipp at chipp.com Thu Oct 9 14:36:23 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:36:23 -0500 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: References: <325413300810090700xb6984dfpe66914e98672866f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <665591460810091136m3e744ee1v4d55e9138ce0d0e6@mail.gmail.com> Hi Malte, Perhaps a good cry helps-- and as Scott recommends-- a couple days off. You're such a super guy and have helped many here in the past. I'm glad to help in anyway possible. My thoughts are with you. best, Chipp From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Oct 9 14:39:46 2008 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 13:39:46 -0500 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> References: <20081009014439.64C1028925B@mail.runrev.com> <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <48EE4FF2.9010207@hyperactivesw.com> Malte Brill wrote: > Hi all, > > today is the worst day in my self employment life. I arrived at the > office today, just to learn that everything apple branded is gone. > Stolen. Away. Malte, I'm so sorry. I know exactly how you must feel. Your heart just sinks, it is horrible. I think all of us can empathize, this is our worst nightmare. Big, big hug. For what it is worth, I've posted a tiny little utility that I use all the time. It isn't polished or beautiful, it's just a simple little tool that I have been using for years. I suspect most of us have something like this, but for anyone who wants to grab a copy, it's here: This is a very basic little stack that just uploads the current topstack to my FTP backup directory. It also contains a button that lets you choose any other file on disk instead for upload. Before uploading, it gzips the file, adds a date stamp to the name, and then sends it. You will need to change the first line of the card script to point to the location of your online ftp backup directory. Since the script does include your ftp password in the URL, I password-protect my copy of the stack to prevent anyone seeing the full URL. It wouldn't be hard to change the utility to ask for the password on each access; I've always been too lazy to type it in each time so I leave it stored in the script. I have a backscript with a handler like this: on bup go stack "path/to/FTP_Upload.rev" end bup When I am working on a stack, I just type "bup" into the message box periodically and this little utility appears with my current stack already loaded into the "file to back up" field. I just hit the "upload" button and away it goes. Each upload is gzipped and date-stamped on the server. It currently does not include the time in the stamp, so each upload on the same day overwrites the previous one. That's all I need generally but you could change the script. I keep other copies locally, but this way the most current version is always on the remote server. Anyone who wants this, go ahead. It isn't pretty or sophisticated, and I'm sure others have fancier utilites than this one, but it's a start for anyone who wants it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From bdrunrev at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 15:04:23 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 20:04:23 +0100 Subject: strange char translation from intel to ppc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just replying to myself (in case anyone wants to know how this was resolved). I went through the keys of the array and ran macToIso() on each one. After checking that the appropriate delimiters were now ascii 30 and 29, I then ran the code and it worked. I'm glad I don't have to come up with a new mechanism, but still puzzled as to what happened. I hope that since the stack's charset is "iso" (since it was built on Windows originally), when I try to run it as a Windows standalone there won't be any translation problems again. Bernard On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 11:04 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > I have a stack where I use some non-printable ascii chars as delimiters > (specifically, ascii 30 and 29). This stack worked fine on the Windows and > Linux versions of 3.0 (well, until they crashed or went berserk, but > everyone's tired of that story). However, when I moved the stack over to OS > X (ppc), the application stopped working. Upon investigation it turned out > that the delimiters had swapped - they were now ascii 222 and 218. > > Is that to be expected? Nothing else in the stacks seems amiss, and I'm > puzzled by this. I had seen some strange behaviour copying them between > platforms. When copied by scp, the stacks were "corrupted", but copied fine > by ftp binary. When copied by ftp as ascii, opening them crashed Rev 3.0 on > OS X. > > It's not a big deal, but I suppose it might be a gotcha worth noting for > anyone else who uses non-printable ascii chars as delimiters. > > Bernard > From mpease at lawandpolitics.com Thu Oct 9 15:24:29 2008 From: mpease at lawandpolitics.com (Michael) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 12:24:29 -0700 Subject: List of all possible messages? and flipbook In-Reply-To: <20081009014438.C80C248A442@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi: Thanks for all the ideas. However, I can't find a "go to next card" message. I wanted to trap it so that a user could flip thru the cards, but if it is one I don't want them to see, like a prefs card, then I could skip that one and go to the one after it. Maybe I'm on the wrong track? Also, I would like a user to click a button on the first card and have the cards automatically present themselves at a certain time interval rate, and write the last location the mouse was at on that card to a field on that card before leaving. Is that possible? I couldn't find a flipbook type stack to inspect. Any ideas are appreciated, m > Rev also has a function "the commandnames" which you can execute to get > a list, which you can place in a field. From briany at qldlearning.com Thu Oct 9 15:34:27 2008 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:34:27 -0700 Subject: List of all possible messages? and flipbook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21E0D6AA-DEC1-4D86-B0EA-B4A065706D43@qldlearning.com> Michael, Check out "preOpenCard" to get a message before a card is opened, or possibly "closeCard" which is sent as you leave a card. One of those should probably do what you want > Hi: > > Thanks for all the ideas. However, I can't find a "go to next card" > message. > I wanted to trap it so that a user could flip thru the cards, but if > it is > one I don't want them to see, like a prefs card, then I could skip > that one > and go to the one after it. Maybe I'm on the wrong track? > > Also, I would like a user to click a button on the first card and > have the > cards automatically present themselves at a certain time interval > rate, and > write the last location the mouse was at on that card to a field on > that > card before leaving. Is that possible? I couldn't find a flipbook > type stack > to inspect. > > Any ideas are appreciated, > > m > >> Rev also has a function "the commandnames" which you can execute to >> get >> a list, which you can place in a field. From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Oct 9 15:35:10 2008 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 12:35:10 -0700 Subject: List of all possible messages? and flipbook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: on preopencard constant kOkcards "aCard,bCard,Barncard" get the short name of me if it is among the items of kOkCards then -- doodah end if end preopencard "Handle the preOpenCard message to update a card's appearance before the card appears on screen." >Hi: > >Thanks for all the ideas. However, I can't find a "go to next card" message. >I wanted to trap it so that a user could flip thru the cards, but if it is >one I don't want them to see, like a prefs card, then I could skip that one >and go to the one after it. Maybe I'm on the wrong track? > >Also, I would like a user to click a button on the first card and have the >cards automatically present themselves at a certain time interval rate, and >write the last location the mouse was at on that card to a field on that >card before leaving. Is that possible? I couldn't find a flipbook type stack >to inspect. > >Any ideas are appreciated, > >m > >> Rev also has a function "the commandnames" which you can execute to get > > a list, which you can place in a field. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Oct 9 16:12:47 2008 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 13:12:47 -0700 Subject: List of all possible messages? and flipbook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Left off the equals sign: constant kOkcards = "aCard,bCard,Barncard" > > constant kOkcards "aCard,bCard,Barncard" -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From spepper at byu.net Thu Oct 9 17:17:29 2008 From: spepper at byu.net (Scott Pepperdine) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 15:17:29 -0600 Subject: Is the "Revolution Dictionary" written using Revolution? Message-ID: <48EE74E9.6060102@byu.net> I'm trying to teach myself UI capabilities in Rev. The "Revolution Dictionary" has some very nice features. Is it written in Revolution? If yes, is there a way to look at how it is done? I cannot just change to edit mode while it is up. Thanks, --Scott From john at debraneys.com Thu Oct 9 17:20:58 2008 From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:20:58 +1100 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> References: <20081009014439.64C1028925B@mail.runrev.com> <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <000d01c92a54$f3a62060$daf26120$@com> Hey Malte, Very sorry to hear what happened, I agree with the "thank goodness you am not like them" sentiment that Mark expressed. I have had a similar experience. One effect of starting over is that ALL the thinking and refinement you have done to date is where you start from, not from the place you started from last time. For me (when this happened a few years ago) I think the second round product was a lot cleaner than the first round. But in the meantime there is that horrible feeling in the pit of your stomach, yes? Let me know directly if you need anything. Regards (and a little awkward hug) John -----Original Message----- From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Malte Brill Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2008 8:52 PM To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) Hi all, today is the worst day in my self employment life. I arrived at the office today, just to learn that everything apple branded is gone. Stolen. Away. Not only that, but my external backup HD also vanished and a few things I was pretty fond of, like a keyboard (music) and a microphone. I do not care too much about the machines. Those are replacable. But I lost at least 3 months worth of data. I had something cool coming up, but I am afraid I am thrown back to point zero, at least with the documentation. The people I have been talking off list will know what I mean. So everyone who is involved with that project, I beg your patience, as I really need to start freshly on it. And just now I can't. I just feel like sitting in the corner and weeping. So if any of you has any urgent support queries for AE or other stuff I beg your patience. It might be a day or two until I recover. All the best, Malte _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revdev at pdslabs.net Thu Oct 9 17:40:56 2008 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 14:40:56 -0700 Subject: Is the "Revolution Dictionary" written using Revolution? In-Reply-To: <48EE74E9.6060102@byu.net> References: <48EE74E9.6060102@byu.net> Message-ID: <48EE7A68.7060000@pdslabs.net> Hi Scott, Yes, here's how: 1) In Rev prefs, make sure "Revolution UI elements appear in lists of stacks" is checked. 2) Open Rev's Application Browser. 3) Open the Dictionary. It should appear at the bottom of the app browser list. Now you can browse it as any other stack. HTH - Phil Davis Scott Pepperdine wrote: > I'm trying to teach myself UI capabilities in Rev. The "Revolution > Dictionary" has some very nice features. Is it written in > Revolution? If yes, is there a way to look at how it is done? I > cannot just change to edit mode while it is up. > > Thanks, > --Scott -- Phil Davis PDS Labs Professional Software Development http://pdslabs.net From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 17:49:10 2008 From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:49:10 -0700 Subject: Why I didn't, and why I may, later. In-Reply-To: <738616.40684.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <738616.40684.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4be051070810091449m409089b6o4ecc81fca8ebd7c@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > Judy Perry wrote: > > "It's not as if Apple didn't give didn't give people HOW many years > warning that PPC compatibility was going to be phased out!" > > 1. Not that long really. --3 years, actually. Seems long enough for me. > 2. Apple did not tell PPC users they would be left with an OS that > still contained all sorts of glitches and a rather messy, inconsistent > GUI. --What on earth are you talking about? People were warned they had a couple of years to transition from OS 9 to OS X, then also to transition from PPC to Intel-based if they wanted to be current. > I am absolutely sure that Apple could, should they so wish, belt out a PPC version of 10.6 that was as light for PPCs as they claim Snow Leopard will be for INTEL Macs. But they won't because they want people to dump their PPCs and buy INTEL machines. This is, of course, based on the supposition that every Mac user has the money and the inclination to buy a new Mac every 2 years. --Or, maybe, as is (I've heard) the case with Revolution, they have difficulty finding current compilers for PPC chips (and as Rev has had with respect to OS 9). --Exactly which major software development firms are still shipping PPC-native and *current* apps? > > With an INTEL Mac, I haven't, and I probably won't, prefering either to buy a relatively cheap PC (or bash one together out of bits and pieces) and run either a Linux distro or (Heaven forfend) "Hackintosh"; especially after reading recently about smelly machines. However, fingers crossed, step on my toe, etc. my collection of PPC Macs are all doing sterling service right now; come to think of it my macMini PPC is only 3 years old! --Wonderful! I have an 8-y.o. dual G4 tower, a G4 Cube and a second-gen iMac (egg-shaped). I don't expect them to run Snow Leopard; in fact, one of them is strictly and deliberately OS 9. There's no shame in running an older OS on older machines. > I have downloaded RunRev 3 and am currently "playing" with it; I certainly would rather buy RR 3 than buy a new Mac as: > > a. it functions perfectly adequately on my G3 iMac. > > b. it can produce software for several Operating Systems (but not RISC !!!). > > c. ? for ? it gives, me at least, more bang for your buck than a new computer. --Well, and of course, people in hell probably "certainly would rather" have ice water than flames, but you get what you get. Judy From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 20:01:49 2008 From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry) Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 17:01:49 -0700 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> References: <20081009014439.64C1028925B@mail.runrev.com> <02FEE6E3-B214-44CC-B6BB-242FF49906D1@derbrill.de> Message-ID: <4be051070810091701s27340813yc5e0d4fcbfc677ba@mail.gmail.com> Malte, I'm so sorry to hear about this! Big hugs from SoCal! Judy On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 2:51 AM, Malte Brill wrote: > Hi all, > > today is the worst day in my self employment life. I arrived at the office > today, just to learn that everything apple branded is gone. Stolen. Away. > Not only that, but my external backup HD also vanished and a few things I > was pretty fond of, like a keyboard (music) and a microphone. > > I do not care too much about the machines. Those are replacable. But I lost > at least 3 months worth of data. I had something cool coming up, but I am > afraid I am thrown back to point zero, at least with the documentation. The > people I have been talking off list will know what I mean. So everyone who > is involved with that project, I beg your patience, as I really need to > start freshly on it. And just now I can't. I just feel like sitting in the > corner and weeping. So if any of you has any urgent support queries for AE > or other stuff I beg your patience. It might be a day or two until I > recover. > > All the best, > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 22:47:34 2008 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:47:34 +0800 Subject: Visible and extra monitors. In-Reply-To: <49699.38061.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <49699.38061.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > This one has probably come up before . . . > > Possibly, an itemised table showing what commands are available in each > version of Runtime Revolution should be drawn up to spare people with early > versions a lot of time, and make them stump up the money for newer versions. > Yes, about as many times as the answer ;-) Open the Rev Dictionary, cntrl+click (right click or whatever on a Win) on either of the column headings and you'll be given a pop-up list of the available columns. Tick 'Version'. Now, like with most tables, you can click on the column heading and have the table sorted by that column. Click again, and go from ascending to descending (or visa versa). So, not only can you simply look up a keyword,function,message,property in the dictionary and immediately have the version number available, but you can sort them all and see which have been introduced at each release. Unfortunately, as tables aren't exactly Rev's strong point, there are problems with sorting in earlier versions of the Dictionary. If memory serves me correctly, this applied to the Platform column, this use to be Icons rather than Text, so it wouldn't sort correctly. I've not noticed any sorting problems with the latest 3.0 Dictionary - but I haven't tested every column either. HTH From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 23:10:54 2008 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:10:54 +0800 Subject: script abbreviations In-Reply-To: <459b22a90810051907i624081b7i51662bbf575b46a4@mail.gmail.com> References: <459b22a90810051318y64a28c9dw75cdc20f9c3fba7e@mail.gmail.com> <48E92F84.6090503@hyperactivesw.com> <459b22a90810051907i624081b7i51662bbf575b46a4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 10:07 AM, william humphrey wrote: > I see it for each individual thing you look up now. Thanks. I just thought > there would be a list of all the synonyms somewhere. > There is, in the Dictionary. As recently posted re a similar problem wanting a list of Version compatibility of every keyword,property,function,message. Open the Dictionary and Cntrl+click (right click or whatever on Win) on any Column header and you'll get a pop-up list, select Synonym. Now, just like most tables, you can click on the Synonym column header to sort the column, and click again to reverse sort. Very easy to group all entries that have Synonyms together:-) This works for the 2.7 and beyond Dictionary. I can't remember if this worked before 2.7. HTH From ambassador at fourthworld.com Thu Oct 9 23:20:46 2008 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 20:20:46 -0700 Subject: script abbreviations Message-ID: <48EECA0E.6040005@fourthworld.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > As recently posted re a similar problem wanting a list of Version > compatibility of every keyword,property,function,message. Open the > Dictionary and Cntrl+click (right click or whatever on Win) on any Column > header and you'll get a pop-up list, select Synonym. Now, just like most > tables, you can click on the Synonym column header to sort the column, and > click again to reverse sort. Very easy to group all entries that have > Synonyms together:-) Good tip, but now I wonder: Control-click/right-click? Where's the non-secret way to get to that? Is this also in the menu bar somewhere? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Oct 9 23:37:53 2008 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:37:53 +0800 Subject: script abbreviations In-Reply-To: <48EECA0E.6040005@fourthworld.com> References: <48EECA0E.6040005@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Richard Gaskin > > Good tip, but now I wonder: Control-click/right-click? Where's the > non-secret way to get to that? Is this also in the menu bar somewhere? > Well I would like to say that it's one of the many 'secrets' passed on to full paid up members of the Use Rev List ;-) but page 29 of the Rev 3.0 Users Guide says: The items can be chosen via the Preferences pane or by right-clicking on the column headings themselves (when in multiple column view). In Rev 3.0 you'll find it sensibly under the Documentation subsection of the Preference pane. So, still very much hidden, but not a secret to those who read the Docs. As a past complainer about the standard of the Docs I must accept that considerable improvements have been made. :-) From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Oct 10 02:45:46 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:45:46 +0200 Subject: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? Message-ID: <6AFA51C7319E44708C5148265D4A1A15@Kestner.local> Hello, I am still without success building the Mac standalone of my Rev 3.0+Valentina4Rev3 app on my Win XP machine. The standalone builder just doesn't takes the Valentina bundles into the standalone folder. What I have done so far is: 1. Setup everything of valentina how the docs say. And Valentina runs fine in the IDE of my XP machine and in Win Standalone. 2. In the standalone settings of my stack I build for Mac (Universal) and checked: Select inclusions for the standalone app: - Script Libraries: "Valentina2" (Tried before also to check "database support") 3. I copied "the v4rev.bundle" and the "database_drivers" folder (from my Mac) into the Win XP directory: C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Tiemo.KESTNER\Eigene Dateien\My Revolution Studio\Runtime\Mac OS X\Universal\Externals\ 4. In the folder: C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Tiemo.KESTNER\Eigene Dateien\My Revolution Studio\Externals - there is a Valentina txt file with one line: "Valentina2,v4rev.dll" and a folder: Database Drivers again with a txt file and the line "Valentina2,dbvalentina2.dll". Up to now I don't understand at all, how the link from Rev to externals works. Probably my problem is just a wrong path or a missing option. Perhaps somebody could explain to me the mechanism of information setup how Rev knows which externals to bind and where they have to be put on a XP machine. I would think this mechanism should be the same for all externals and perhaps I just have to put the folders into the right place. Thanks for any help Tiemo From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Oct 10 02:50:07 2008 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:50:07 +0300 Subject: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: <6AFA51C7319E44708C5148265D4A1A15@Kestner.local> Message-ID: On 10/10/08 9:45 AM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote: > Hello, > > I am still without success building the Mac standalone of my Rev > 3.0+Valentina4Rev3 app on my Win XP machine. The standalone builder just > doesn't takes the Valentina bundles into the standalone folder. What I have > done so far is: > > 1. Setup everything of valentina how the docs say. And Valentina runs fine > in the IDE of my XP machine and in Win Standalone. > > 2. In the standalone settings of my stack I build for Mac (Universal) and > checked: Select inclusions for the standalone app: - Script Libraries: > "Valentina2" (Tried before also to check "database support") > > 3. I copied "the v4rev.bundle" and the "database_drivers" folder (from my > Mac) into the Win XP directory: C:\Dokumente und > Einstellungen\Tiemo.KESTNER\Eigene Dateien\My Revolution Studio\Runtime\Mac > OS X\Universal\Externals\ > > 4. In the folder: C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Tiemo.KESTNER\Eigene > Dateien\My Revolution Studio\Externals - there is a Valentina txt file with > one line: "Valentina2,v4rev.dll" and a folder: Database Drivers again with a > txt file and the line "Valentina2,dbvalentina2.dll". Quick Guess. Runtime/Mac OS X/Universal/ Folder also must have these txt files. When REV runs from IDE, it uses info from My Revolution Studio\Externals But when it build standalone, it NOT watch into this folder, It watch into Runtime folder. And here you have no .txt files. > Up to now I don't understand at all, how the link from Rev to externals > works. Probably my problem is just a wrong path or a missing option. Perhaps > somebody could explain to me the mechanism of information setup how Rev > knows which externals to bind and where they have to be put on a XP machine. > I would think this mechanism should be the same for all externals and > perhaps I just have to put the folders into the right place. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From runrev at animabit.de Fri Oct 10 03:35:06 2008 From: runrev at animabit.de (runrev at animabit.de) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:35:06 +0000 Subject: Re-2: alternatelanguages ... persistent objects from "createObject" Message-ID: Hello Krey, the reason for my desire to reuse open win COM objects aims to use many other COM Objects and winword/excel is just an example anyone knows. Of course in winword you can save the file and open it in a second session. But I have some scenarios where it would be fine to having let the object opened and just interact with it. It is just an idea to think about during a coffee break ... Regards, Franz Original Message processed by David InfoCenter Subject: Re: alternatelanguages ... persistent objects from "createObject" (09-Okt-2008 16:35) From: Ken Ray To: boehmisch at animabit.de > But: Could it be possible out of runrev (any idea) to have 2 > alternatelanguagescripts > runword1.vbs and > writeagaininword2.vbs > where the second just uses the word object opened by the first. => Can I use a > COM-object again by any trick? > The first script could perhaps give back an objectID in the "result" variable > to runrev, but how could I reconnect the writeagaininword2.vbs to this > existing object (if the first script did not close it)? Just curious - why would you need to do this instead of just creating a new object? The reason I ask is that you can successfully link to currently open instances of applications (I'm thinking MS Office primarily) to manipulate them from multiple independent scripts. That is, you can use VBS with createObject to launch an instance of Excel, say, and get a sheet started, and then later use another VBS with createObject to add data to the same worksheet in Excel. > Of course it would be the best runrev could use COM directly ... how about a > createObject command in 3.1 ;-) That would be nice! :-) > What can I do with the XML alternatelanguage on windows? Sorry, haven't done anything with that... maybe someone else can chime in... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From briany at qldlearning.com Fri Oct 10 03:44:46 2008 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:44:46 -0700 Subject: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: <6AFA51C7319E44708C5148265D4A1A15@Kestner.local> References: <6AFA51C7319E44708C5148265D4A1A15@Kestner.local> Message-ID: <82D3029C-CA09-4B6A-A31A-3867FE924329@qldlearning.com> Tiemo, Although I hope someone can help you make things work with the standalone builder, there is a manual way to set the externals for a stack which was used before the standalone builder did things for you. You can create an empty stack, set its externals property and load this stack when you need it from your standalone. Roughly: 1) Create an empty stack, call it say "valentina.rev" 2) In the message box, execute: set the externals of this stack to "v4rev.bundle"&cr&"v4rev.dll" 3) Save this stack and the Valentina externals to somewhere where you standalone will be able to access them 4) Modify your application to do something like this: set the directory to "path.to.externals/" (this could be a relative path) start using stack "valentina.rev" There are many variations on how you could setup the files, but the takeaway is this: Whenever Rev loads a stack with it's "externals" property set, it will attempt to load the externals listed. From a standalone, you can load a regular stack which you've stashed somewhere which already has this property set. Thus if you can anticipate where your externals will be (using relative paths to your standalone), you can create a stack which serves to load them for you. Hope that helps. It's easier when the standalone builder just works, but it can be handy to get to know the lower level workings of external loading as well. > Hello, > > I am still without success building the Mac standalone of my Rev > 3.0+Valentina4Rev3 app on my Win XP machine. The standalone builder > just > doesn't takes the Valentina bundles into the standalone folder. What > I have > done so far is: > > 1. Setup everything of valentina how the docs say. And Valentina > runs fine > in the IDE of my XP machine and in Win Standalone. > > 2. In the standalone settings of my stack I build for Mac > (Universal) and > checked: Select inclusions for the standalone app: - Script Libraries: > "Valentina2" (Tried before also to check "database support") > > 3. I copied "the v4rev.bundle" and the "database_drivers" folder > (from my > Mac) into the Win XP directory: C:\Dokumente und > Einstellungen\Tiemo.KESTNER\Eigene Dateien\My Revolution Studio > \Runtime\Mac > OS X\Universal\Externals\ > > 4. In the folder: C:\Dokumente und Einstellungen\Tiemo.KESTNER\Eigene > Dateien\My Revolution Studio\Externals - there is a Valentina txt > file with > one line: "Valentina2,v4rev.dll" and a folder: Database Drivers > again with a > txt file and the line "Valentina2,dbvalentina2.dll". > > Up to now I don't understand at all, how the link from Rev to > externals > works. Probably my problem is just a wrong path or a missing option. > Perhaps > somebody could explain to me the mechanism of information setup how > Rev > knows which externals to bind and where they have to be put on a XP > machine. > I would think this mechanism should be the same for all externals and > perhaps I just have to put the folders into the right place. > > Thanks for any help > > Tiemo From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Oct 10 03:48:30 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:48:30 +0200 Subject: AW: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Noop, I tried to put the bundles and txts in ... /Runtime/Mac OS X/Universal/ As well as in ... /Runtime/Mac OS X/Universal/Externals Without success One thing I noticed is that the bundle folder "Database_Drivers" has an underscore in the middle and the txt "Database Drivers.txt" has no underscore. But that could only affect the "dbvalentina2" package (content of "Database_Drivers") and the "v4rev.bundle" package (one level higher) should be taken anyway. Tiemo > > Quick Guess. > > Runtime/Mac OS X/Universal/ > > Folder also must have these txt files. > > When REV runs from IDE, it uses info from > My Revolution Studio\Externals > > But when it build standalone, it NOT watch into this folder, > It watch into Runtime folder. And here you have no .txt files. > > -- > Best regards, > > Ruslan Zasukhin From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Oct 10 04:03:23 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:03:23 +0200 Subject: AW: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: <82D3029C-CA09-4B6A-A31A-3867FE924329@qldlearning.com> Message-ID: <4EAA0524622146DF8B3D0434179E977F@Kestner.local> Hi Brian, that sounds interesting. What I don't understand is, why do I need another stack to bind the externals and why can't I just set the external properties of my main stack and put the externals into the same directory as my main stack? Tiemo > > Although I hope someone can help you make things work with the > standalone builder, there is a manual way to set the externals for a > stack which was used before the standalone builder did things for you. > You can create an empty stack, set its externals property and load > this stack when you need it from your standalone. > > Roughly: > > 1) Create an empty stack, call it say "valentina.rev" > 2) In the message box, execute: set the externals of this stack to > "v4rev.bundle"&cr&"v4rev.dll" > 3) Save this stack and the Valentina externals to somewhere where you > standalone will be able to access them > 4) Modify your application to do something like this: > > set the directory to "path.to.externals/" (this could be a relative > path) > start using stack "valentina.rev" > > There are many variations on how you could setup the files, but the > takeaway is this: > > Whenever Rev loads a stack with it's "externals" property set, it will > attempt to load the externals listed. > From a standalone, you can load a regular stack which you've stashed > somewhere which already has this property set. > Thus if you can anticipate where your externals will be (using > relative paths to your standalone), you can create a stack which > serves to load them for you. > > Hope that helps. It's easier when the standalone builder just works, > but it can be handy to get to know the lower level workings of > external loading as well. > From bdrunrev at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 04:02:57 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:02:57 +0100 Subject: script abbreviations In-Reply-To: References: <48EECA0E.6040005@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Unlike Richard, I foolishly entered an enhancement request a month or two back, that the Dictionary have a column for 'version'. A few days later I had to close that request once I found that that feature had been there for years, but I hadn't known about it. I too found it by reading the User Guide. I chose to re-read the User Guide because it hadn't been updated since version 2.7 (and had had several missing chapters in all that time). The current User Guide is something to be proud of - although to be fair, I think the user documentation that came with versions 1.1.1 onwards was also pretty good (written by Jeanne Devoto, I believe). The combination of the current Dictionary and the current User Guide are for me the highest point in Rev documentation. I still have some ideas for how there could be an improvement in the docs though (although I think it would be controversial). Anyway, I don't feel quite so foolish about that enhancement request, since I was in good company in not knowing about the feature. Bernard On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 4:37 AM, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Richard Gaskin > > > > Good tip, but now I wonder: Control-click/right-click? Where's the > > non-secret way to get to that? Is this also in the menu bar somewhere? > > > > Well I would like to say that it's one of the many 'secrets' passed on to > full paid up members of the Use Rev List ;-) but page 29 of the Rev 3.0 > Users Guide says: > > The items can be chosen via the Preferences pane or by right-clicking on > the > column headings themselves (when in multiple column view). > > > In Rev 3.0 you'll find it sensibly under the Documentation subsection of > the > Preference pane. > > So, still very much hidden, but not a secret to those who read the Docs. As > a past complainer about the standard of the Docs I must accept that > considerable improvements have been made. > > :-) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Oct 10 04:07:05 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:07:05 +0200 Subject: AW: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Ruslan, actually I get this error message when building the standalone after having copied the valentina txts into the runtime dir: 1 MacOS, external not found: "C:/Dokumente und Einstellungen/Tiemo.KESTNER/Eigene Dateien/My Revolution Studio/Runtime/Mac OS X/Universal/Externals/v4rev.dll" Tiemo > > > > > Quick Guess. > > > > Runtime/Mac OS X/Universal/ > > > > Folder also must have these txt files. > > > > When REV runs from IDE, it uses info from > > My Revolution Studio\Externals > > > > But when it build standalone, it NOT watch into this folder, > > It watch into Runtime folder. And here you have no .txt files. > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > > > Ruslan Zasukhin > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From briany at qldlearning.com Fri Oct 10 04:33:17 2008 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 01:33:17 -0700 Subject: AW: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: <4EAA0524622146DF8B3D0434179E977F@Kestner.local> References: <4EAA0524622146DF8B3D0434179E977F@Kestner.local> Message-ID: <8D10086C-1C9A-48FD-A4B4-CFFDE4D8E54F@qldlearning.com> You can =). The side effect of using a separate stack is that you can load or unload the externals on demand. But yes, you can set the externals property of any stack you want, and when it loads, the externals should come with it. Just be careful to set the paths relative to the standalone or set the directory property before loading the externals. For me, I like having that separate resource stack that I can load when I want it, but admittedly, it is often not necessary. > > Hi Brian, > that sounds interesting. What I don't understand is, why do I need > another > stack to bind the externals and why can't I just set the external > properties > of my main stack and put the externals into the same directory as my > main > stack? > > Tiemo > >> >> Although I hope someone can help you make things work with the >> standalone builder, there is a manual way to set the externals for a >> stack which was used before the standalone builder did things for >> you. >> You can create an empty stack, set its externals property and load >> this stack when you need it from your standalone. >> >> Roughly: >> >> 1) Create an empty stack, call it say "valentina.rev" >> 2) In the message box, execute: set the externals of this stack to >> "v4rev.bundle"&cr&"v4rev.dll" >> 3) Save this stack and the Valentina externals to somewhere where you >> standalone will be able to access them >> 4) Modify your application to do something like this: >> >> set the directory to "path.to.externals/" (this could be a relative >> path) >> start using stack "valentina.rev" >> >> There are many variations on how you could setup the files, but the >> takeaway is this: >> >> Whenever Rev loads a stack with it's "externals" property set, it >> will >> attempt to load the externals listed. >> From a standalone, you can load a regular stack which you've stashed >> somewhere which already has this property set. >> Thus if you can anticipate where your externals will be (using >> relative paths to your standalone), you can create a stack which >> serves to load them for you. >> >> Hope that helps. It's easier when the standalone builder just works, >> but it can be handy to get to know the lower level workings of >> external loading as well. From spepper at byu.net Fri Oct 10 04:56:23 2008 From: spepper at byu.net (Scott Pepperdine) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:56:23 -0600 Subject: Is the "Revolution Dictionary" written using Revolution? In-Reply-To: <48EE7A68.7060000@pdslabs.net> References: <48EE74E9.6060102@byu.net> <48EE7A68.7060000@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <48EF18B7.3080506@byu.net> Thanks Phil! That was a huge help. It is now approaching 3 am and I have been browsing those stacks for hours. Learning a lot. However, one thing that I am interested in still escapes me. Does anyone know how the 'data view' list of topics is displayed with alternating lines being different colors? They might be populating the list with htmlText and setting the bgcolor of alternating lines to different colors, but I haven't found the function (yet) if they are. I'm not asking anyone to find it for me. I'll keep digging. But if you already know how this is being done a quick hint would be appreciated. Thanks, --Scott Phil Davis wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Yes, here's how: > > 1) In Rev prefs, make sure "Revolution UI elements appear in lists of > stacks" is checked. > > 2) Open Rev's Application Browser. > > 3) Open the Dictionary. It should appear at the bottom of the app > browser list. Now you can browse it as any other stack. > > HTH - > Phil Davis > > > > Scott Pepperdine wrote: > >> I'm trying to teach myself UI capabilities in Rev. The "Revolution >> Dictionary" has some very nice features. Is it written in >> Revolution? If yes, is there a way to look at how it is done? I >> cannot just change to edit mode while it is up. >> >> Thanks, >> --Scott > From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Oct 10 06:30:40 2008 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:30:40 +0300 Subject: AW: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/10/08 11:07 AM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote: > Ruslan, > actually I get this error message when building the standalone after having > copied the valentina txts into the runtime dir: > 1 MacOS, external not found: "C:/Dokumente und > Einstellungen/Tiemo.KESTNER/Eigene Dateien/My Revolution Studio/Runtime/Mac > OS X/Universal/Externals/v4rev.dll" And why DLL is here??? You need copy TXT files from your MAC's MyDocuments/Rev/Externals/... -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Oct 10 07:23:40 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:23:40 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9BBE847AE08B4A7792E19EC4BAE3C3EA@Kestner.local> Hi Ruslan, half the way! Hmm that sounds plausible, but because I don't have a Rev installation on Mac, I didn't had these valentina txt documents on my Mac. So I created them now manually and the "v4rev.bundle" is now recognized and taken into the standalone, but the "dbvalentina2" not yet, probably still a path problem. How it looks like now on my Win XP is this: ... \Runtime\Mac OS X\Universal\Externals\database drivers ... \Runtime\Mac OS X\Universal\Externals\v4rev.bundle ... \Runtime\Mac OS X\Universal\Externals\externals.txt (content: Valentina2,v4rev.bundle) And one level deeper: ... \Runtime\Mac OS X\Universal\Externals\database drivers\dbvalentina2 ... \Runtime\Mac OS X\Universal\Externals\database drivers\database drivers.txt (content: Valentina2,dbvalentina2) What I don't understand yet is how Rev shall recognize the dbvalentina2 bundle, which is one level deeper in database drivers, how shall Rev know this path? The other thing is that I have seen somewhere " database_drivers" written with an underscore in the middle? Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Ruslan Zasukhin > Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Oktober 2008 12:31 > An: use-revolution > Betreff: Re: AW: How does RunRev finds externals when building the > standalone? > > On 10/10/08 11:07 AM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote: > > > Ruslan, > > actually I get this error message when building the standalone after > having > > copied the valentina txts into the runtime dir: > > 1 MacOS, external not found: "C:/Dokumente und > > Einstellungen/Tiemo.KESTNER/Eigene Dateien/My Revolution > Studio/Runtime/Mac > > OS X/Universal/Externals/v4rev.dll" > > And why DLL is here??? > > You need copy TXT files from your MAC's > > MyDocuments/Rev/Externals/... > > > -- > Best regards, > > Ruslan Zasukhin > VP Engineering and New Technology > Paradigma Software, Inc > > Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > [I feel the need: the need for speed] > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Oct 10 07:35:43 2008 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:35:43 +0300 Subject: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: <9BBE847AE08B4A7792E19EC4BAE3C3EA@Kestner.local> Message-ID: On 10/10/08 2:23 PM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote: Hi Tiemo, > Hi Ruslan, half the way! > Hmm that sounds plausible, but because I don't have a Rev installation on > Mac, I didn't had these valentina txt documents on my Mac. So I created them > now manually and the "v4rev.bundle" is now recognized and taken into the > standalone, but the "dbvalentina2" not yet, probably still a path problem. Ahaaa. I see. Kirill, so we need improve our installer.rev stack, To create these txt files if they not present. Then add line about Valentina You see? Tiemo, Kirill right now work on your issue. -------- > How it looks like now on my Win XP is this: > ... \Runtime\Mac OS X\Universal\Externals\database drivers > ... \Runtime\Mac OS X\Universal\Externals\v4rev.bundle > ... \Runtime\Mac OS X\Universal\Externals\externals.txt (content: > Valentina2,v4rev.bundle) > And one level deeper: > ... \Runtime\Mac OS X\Universal\Externals\database drivers\dbvalentina2 > ... \Runtime\Mac OS X\Universal\Externals\database drivers\database > drivers.txt (content: Valentina2,dbvalentina2) Ok good > What I don't understand yet is how Rev shall recognize the dbvalentina2 > bundle, which is one level deeper in database drivers, how shall Rev know > this path? Because its REVOLUTION rule, this is not Paradigma's idea If you look inside of Revolution own folder, Revolution/Externals/ You will see the same structure. > The other thing is that I have seen somewhere " database_drivers" > written with an underscore in the middle? No, I see it inside of REV as "Database Drivers" -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Oct 10 07:37:52 2008 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:37:52 +0300 Subject: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/10/08 2:35 PM, "Ruslan Zasukhin" wrote: >> Hi Ruslan, half the way! >> Hmm that sounds plausible, but because I don't have a Rev installation on >> Mac, I didn't had these valentina txt documents on my Mac. So I created them >> now manually and the "v4rev.bundle" is now recognized and taken into the >> standalone, but the "dbvalentina2" not yet, probably still a path problem. > > Ahaaa. I see. > > Kirill, so we need improve our installer.rev stack, > To create these txt files if they not present. > Then add line about Valentina > You see? And again aha, since on your MAC there is no Revolution, Then you cannot at all execute installer.rev -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Oct 10 07:47:49 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:47:49 +0200 Subject: AW: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <823D715FE52C4A338FAD43D0F7553643@Kestner.local> Hi Ruslan, I executed the install.rev on my Win and it ran whatever it did :) Tiemo > > And again aha, since on your MAC there is no Revolution, > Then you cannot at all execute installer.rev > > > > -- > Best regards, > > Ruslan Zasukhin From revolution at derbrill.de Fri Oct 10 08:19:44 2008 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:19:44 +0200 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <20081010083325.9D9482900CB@mail.runrev.com> References: <20081010083325.9D9482900CB@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <533857E4-C1F2-4FC8-93C9-64735525150A@derbrill.de> Dear friends, to all of you who responded on and off list. THANK YOU! I really apperciate it. I am not yet in a condition where I can reply to email, but the situation will not bring me down for long. I will be taking a couple of days off. Going seasides next Friday. Too many things to pt into place before. Then I will start with a recharged battery and maybe this is a chance to make it even better than in the first try. I am glad to be part of a community that cares. Thanks to all of you. All the best, Malte From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Oct 10 08:21:09 2008 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:21:09 +0300 Subject: AW: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: <823D715FE52C4A338FAD43D0F7553643@Kestner.local> Message-ID: On 10/10/08 2:47 PM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote: Hi Tiemo, > Hi Ruslan, > I executed the install.rev on my Win and it ran whatever it did :) But not on MAC. Soooo. * Kirill have create Stanadlone app on WIN, * Send it to me, * I have run installer script on my MAC. * run application on MAC -> WORKS As I understand, it should work now on your side also. Please confirm. > Tiemo > >> >> And again aha, since on your MAC there is no Revolution, >> Then you cannot at all execute installer.rev -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From mjmackenzie22 at windstream.net Fri Oct 10 09:04:04 2008 From: mjmackenzie22 at windstream.net (Mark MacKenzie) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:04:04 -0600 Subject: Email Client (Outlook Express) won't start after console Message-ID: Hello Ken. I have been living with this situation for awhile and don't have the exact wording. While coding in the IDE (Windows XP Pro) and using 2.5* and then "running" the program within the IDE to check functionality of the "error" reporting of the finished program an error was encountered. The email client facilitated reporting mechanism came up and stupidly without either cancelling or sending the reported error I quit the program by quitting the IDE. Since doing that Outlook Express 5 will not start up as an email program and acts as if it is "hung up". Some years back this same thing happened to me and it turned out that Outlook was "stuck' in the waiting to report the error mode. If I remember correctly that was fixed by a registry tweak. Unfortunately I can't find my notes on that little issue if I made any. I do remember that it was someone from the Rev list (old list) who came up with this explanation and fix for me. I have searched the list as far back as I could, the web and mickeysoft without success. I don't want to reinstall Outlook Express at this time. I hope this helps explain the situation better. Mark MacKenzie Art Conservator & Wet Plate Photographer Alcalde, New Mexico No virus found in this outgoing message Checked by PC Tools AntiVirus (5.0.0.10 - 10.100.041). http://www.pctools.com/free-antivirus/ From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Oct 10 09:06:08 2008 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:06:08 +0300 Subject: FW: [V4REV] How to build MAC application using REV WIN. Step by step. In-Reply-To: <421325615.20081010150047@valentina-db.com> Message-ID: ------ Forwarded Message From: Kirill Pekarov Reply-To: Valentina Developers Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:00:47 +0300 To: Valentina Developers Subject: problems building a rev-valentinastandalone on mac Hi, Tiemo. What I did step-by-step: 1) Prepare REV WIN IDE: ---------------------------------- * Download and install REVOLUTION on windows if not yet. * Download and install V4REV on windows if not yet. After installation run the "install.rev" script. Restart Revolution. * Install on mac os V4REV. * Copy folder "~/My Revolution Enterprise/Runtime/Mac OS X" from mac to win "/My Documents/My Revolution Enterprise/Runtime/Mac OS X" 2) Build application: ---------------------------------- * Open stack in REV IDE * In the menu "File" - "Standalone Application Settings" - "OS X", of the app, -- enable check box "Mac OS X(Universal)" -- make sure that Script Externals have Valentina2 is enabled. -- make sure that Script Externals have Valentina (1.x) is disabled. * Menu "File" - "Save As Standalone Application..." to create executable. * COPY MyApp.app to MAC, and finish it using Installer script. * DONE. App works now on MAC. -- Best regards, Kirill Pekarov Software Engineer Associate Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database http://www.valentina-db.com _______________________________________________ Valentina mailing list Valentina at lists.macserve.net http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina ------ End of Forwarded Message From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Oct 10 09:38:25 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:38:25 +0200 Subject: difference between closing with the red cross or sending close? Message-ID: Hello, a runrev beginners question :-) I have a menu item with "quit" and the red cross in the title bar to close my app. Now I want to capture both messages with the same "Do you really want to quit?". What I did is the following: On menupick -.- close gDefaultStack -...- on closeStack put the short name of this stack into tStack switch (tStack) case "dgswb" answer "Do you really want to quit?" with "No" and "Yes" if it is "Yes" then xCloseStackCleanups pass closeStack end if break default pass closeStack end switch end closeStack When clicking the red cross everything works as expected. But when clicking my menu item I also get my answer choice, but my stack closes if I choose "yes" or "no" Probably something with passing the close message wrong? Thank for any hint Tiemo From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Oct 10 09:42:38 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:42:38 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Ruslan > > > Hi Ruslan, > > I executed the install.rev on my Win and it ran whatever it did :) > > But not on MAC. > > Soooo. How should I run installer.rev, when not having a Mac licence for RunRev? > > * Kirill have create Stanadlone app on WIN, > * Send it to me, > * I have run installer script on my MAC. > * run application on MAC -> WORKS > > > As I understand, it should work now on your side also. > Please confirm. > Not yet! > > > Tiemo > > > >> > >> And again aha, since on your MAC there is no Revolution, Then you > >> cannot at all execute installer.rev > Right! _______________________________________________ Valentina mailing list Valentina at lists.macserve.net http://lists.macserve.net/mailman/listinfo/valentina From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Oct 10 10:28:55 2008 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:28:55 +0300 Subject: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 10/10/08 4:42 PM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote: >>> I executed the install.rev on my Win and it ran whatever it did :) >> >> But not on MAC. >> >> Soooo. > > How should I run installer.rev, when not having a Mac licence for RunRev? You should not. You run insaller.rev on Windows only. This create in the /Documents/Rev/ folder all required fodlers even Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal You need just MNUALLY copy here from MAC V4REV.bundle dbvalentina2 And create two txt files with one line each. --- P.S. MAKE SURE that in Standalone Settings dialog you point app to be UNIVERSAL ! I think this where can be a mistake on your side. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Fri Oct 10 10:44:20 2008 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:44:20 +0100 Subject: Totally OT - I need some heads up (and a hug or two) In-Reply-To: <533857E4-C1F2-4FC8-93C9-64735525150A@derbrill.de> References: <20081010083325.9D9482900CB@mail.runrev.com> <533857E4-C1F2-4FC8-93C9-64735525150A@derbrill.de> Message-ID: More hugs and sympathy from the UK, once you're reading emails again. Having had data loss problems in the past (not through theft, more through my own stupidity) I'm in the middle of sorting out three sets of HDs - the ones with the working files, a second set which get updated every day or two from the working drives, and a third set a few miles away at my parents, which get swapped with the second set every week. The swapping with drives on another site isn't quite set up properly yet, so at the moment I'm still vulnerable to theft/floods/burning houses etc. :-( Best of luck, and have a great time at the seaside! Ian On 10 Oct 2008, at 13:19, Malte Brill wrote: > Dear friends, > > to all of you who responded on and off list. THANK YOU! > I really apperciate it. I am not yet in a condition where I can > reply to email, but the situation will not bring me down for long. I > will be taking a couple of days off. Going seasides next Friday. Too > many things to pt into place before. Then I will start with a > recharged battery and maybe this is a chance to make it even better > than in the first try. I am glad to be part of a community that > cares. Thanks to all of you. > > All the best, > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Fri Oct 10 11:18:09 2008 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:18:09 +0200 Subject: difference between closing with the red cross or sending close? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78640557-4713-4434-9712-40AB68FA0960@sosmartsoftware.com> Bonjour Tiemo, Have a look at the closeStackRequest message: on closeStackRequest answer "Do you really want to quit?" with "No" and "Yes" if it = "Yes" then pass closeStackRequest end closeStackRequest Le 10 oct. 08 ? 15:38, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit : > Hello, > > a runrev beginners question :-) > > I have a menu item with "quit" and the red cross in the title bar > to close > my app. Now I want to capture both messages with the same "Do you > really > want to quit?". What I did is the following: > > On menupick > > -.- > > close gDefaultStack > > -...- > > on closeStack > > put the short name of this stack into tStack > > switch (tStack) > > case "dgswb" > > answer "Do you really want to quit?" with "No" and "Yes" > > if it is "Yes" then > > xCloseStackCleanups > > pass closeStack > > end if > > break > > default > > pass closeStack > > end switch > > end closeStack > > > > When clicking the red cross everything works as expected. But when > clicking > my menu item I also get my answer choice, but my stack closes if I > choose > "yes" or "no" Probably something with passing the close message wrong? > > Thank for any hint > > Tiemo Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Oct 10 11:15:07 2008 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:15:07 -0700 Subject: script abbreviations In-Reply-To: References: <48EECA0E.6040005@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <5C4EF738-9C5F-4678-923E-28CB4A7A6A51@cox.net> Bernard, Thanks for the status update. I started reading the User Guide when I first signed up for Rev with 2.7. I quickly abandoned the effort because of the deficiencies you mentioned. Most of the things I was interested in just weren't included. In the few forays I've made into the 3.0 documentation, I had noticed an apparent improvement, but not the realization that things are MUCH better. Now that I know they are, less time will be spent on my idle efforts to engage myself, and much more "learning" the more unique potentialities of Rev. Glad to hear you got your MacBook back in operation again. All the best, Joe Wilkins On Oct 10, 2008, at 1:02 AM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > Unlike Richard, I foolishly entered an enhancement request a month > or two > back, that the Dictionary have a column for 'version'. A few days > later I > had to close that request once I found that that feature had been > there for > years, but I hadn't known about it. I too found it by reading the > User > Guide. > I chose to re-read the User Guide because it hadn't been updated since > version 2.7 (and had had several missing chapters in all that > time). The > current User Guide is something to be proud of - although to be > fair, I > think the user documentation that came with versions 1.1.1 onwards > was also > pretty good (written by Jeanne Devoto, I believe). The combination > of the > current Dictionary and the current User Guide are for me the highest > point > in Rev documentation. I still have some ideas for how there could > be an > improvement in the docs though (although I think it would be > controversial). > Anyway, I don't feel quite so foolish about that enhancement > request, since > I was in good company in not knowing about the feature. > Bernard From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Oct 10 12:45:27 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:45:27 +0200 Subject: AW: difference between closing with the red cross or sending close? In-Reply-To: <78640557-4713-4434-9712-40AB68FA0960@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <032B82F072E54FA4A4185F582859FF13@Kestner.local> Hello Eric, yes that was also my first thought, but as the docs say (and how this one behaves) it is not called, if I send my own "close stack" from my own menu (not from the rev file menu) Thanks Tiemo > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet > Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Oktober 2008 17:18 > An: How to use Revolution > Betreff: Re: difference between closing with the red cross or sending > close? > > Bonjour Tiemo, > > Have a look at the closeStackRequest message: > > on closeStackRequest > answer "Do you really want to quit?" with "No" and "Yes" > if it = "Yes" then pass closeStackRequest > end closeStackRequest > From lgwatts at adelphia.net Thu Oct 2 02:46:12 2008 From: lgwatts at adelphia.net (Larry Watts) Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 23:46:12 -0700 Subject: creating a Mac download Message-ID: <001601c9245a$8ff6e9f0$0400a8c0@gyhjx83ah6b2bq> I created my app on the Windows platform and compiled for all 3 platforms. I then created a download page with the appropriate files that Rev generated. The pc file will download to my computer just fine. But when my daughter, who has a Mac, tried to download the Mac file, it wouldn't work for her. I did notice that Rev doesn't put an extension on the Mac file when it compiles. Do I need to add .app after the name of the file before I make it available for download for the Mac? Or do I need to change some setting before I compile? Thanks. Larry From pbower at peterbower.com Mon Oct 6 08:29:47 2008 From: pbower at peterbower.com (Peter Bower, M.D.) Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 08:29:47 -0400 Subject: iPhone again Message-ID: I've read through all the prior iPhone discussions in the archive. Is it true, really for certain, absolutely no way what-so-ever, don't even bother to think about it, to somehow run rev on an iPhone? Objective C is the least friendly obtuse head ache inducing programming I have ever encountered. Peter J. Bower, M.D. From heather at runrev.com Fri Oct 10 13:28:56 2008 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:28:56 +0100 Subject: A List Mom Post Message-ID: <72FEBCDD-D7C8-45CB-BDBC-DE97DD829567@runrev.com> Dear List Folks, Its been a while. I'm fresh come from sifting through the moderator "held" messages for this list, and I have a moment to share my thoughts with you. To avoid frustration when posting, you might want to save these pearls of wisdom. 1.) The list identifies you strictly and only by your email address. If you post from a different address, one that you have not signed up to the list, your mail will not get through. To avoid inconvenience, delay and confusion, I recommend you sign up all email addresses you might conceivably ever accidentally post from one day, and then set all addresses but your main one to "no mail" so that you don't receive duplicate posts. Yes, eventually, I will get around to checking through the hundreds of spam mails that pile up in moderation, pick out your held post, and accept it. This may cause even more confusion if in the meantime you've figured out what happened and reposted... You can sign up, and manage your subscriptions here: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution 2.) There is a limit of 15k to the size of emails that can be posted to the list. To ensure you stay within this limit, I recommend you avoid elaborate html posts, don't send attachments (they won't get through anyway), don't embed images, and don't reply quoting the entire digest. If you do exceed the size limit, you will, eventually, get politely rejected by the list software (at least, I hope its polite, I haven't personally received the message it sends to such rejected mails...) 3.) Don't send subscribe or unsubscribe messages to the list. We have filtering set up to remove such posts, so generally you won't get through to the list, your post will get held and eventually deleted. If you are very lucky I might spot it and take action on it when deleting all the spam, but I might not. You can subscribe, unsubscribe, and manage your preferences here: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution 4.) and finally - do try and stay on topic! This is a lovely, friendly community. A little bit of chit chat here and there is acceptable. Announcements that have community relevance are fine. Protracted threads on such announcements can cause annoyance. Politics, religion, and cheese are strictly off topic and never permissible. Be respectful of your fellow Revolutionaries. Remember they are all human and some of them are fiery fellows who need to see the odd smiley to know they are not under attack! Warm Regards, Heather Wearing the Listmom Hat Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com From toolbook at kestner.de Fri Oct 10 13:34:09 2008 From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:34:09 +0200 Subject: AW: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <82CE313BF46648C29DF777BA513269BE@Kestner.local> Hi Ruslan, hmmm > > > You run insaller.rev on Windows only. > This create in the /Documents/Rev/ folder all required fodlers > even Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal > Yes it did > > You need just MNUALLY copy here from MAC > V4REV.bundle > dbvalentina2 > Yes I did, nothing happens But when creating manually: Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal/EXTERNALS folder (as Kirill posted yesterday) And copying manually V4REV.bundle and Externals.txt to it, then it works for V4REV.bundle > And create two txt files with one line each. > If I copy dbvalentina2 into the same /EXTERNALS folder - How should the corresponding txt file be named, if the one for the V2REV.bundle is named Externals.txt? (I tried dbvalentina.txt without success, I tried to write two lines into externals.txt without success) So what I did from one of your last postings was to create another folder: Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal/EXTERNALS/DATABASE DRIVERS And put dbvalentina2 and database drivers.txt into that one (one level deeper as v4rev.bundle) BUT this one isn't recognized by the standalone builder. That was my main question in my last posting: How should Rev find the dbvalentina2 bundle in the database drivers folder? See my last posting! > > --- > P.S. > > MAKE SURE that in Standalone Settings dialog > you point app to be UNIVERSAL ! Yes I checked it - Otherwise it wouldn't actually work with the Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal/EXTERNALS/V4REV.bundle > > I think this where can be a mistake on your side. > I would be glad if you would find a mistake on my side! Thanks Tiemo > > -- > Best regards, > > Ruslan Zasukhin > VP Engineering and New Technology > Paradigma Software, Inc > > Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > [I feel the need: the need for speed] > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Oct 10 13:58:43 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:58:43 +0200 Subject: creating a Mac download In-Reply-To: <001601c9245a$8ff6e9f0$0400a8c0@gyhjx83ah6b2bq> References: <001601c9245a$8ff6e9f0$0400a8c0@gyhjx83ah6b2bq> Message-ID: Hi Larry, You can't do this. You need to make a zip or dmg file of the standalone. Making a zip file is easy on Windows (and Mac). You can copy the standalone to your daughter's computer. Put it inside a folder and give the folder the name of the standalone, without ".app". Drop the folder onto the icon of Disk Utility. Disk Utility will now ask you where to save the dmg file. You can safely upload this file and make it available for download. The problem why distributing Mac standalones is slightly more difficult is that it is actually a folder. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 2 okt 2008, at 08:46, Larry Watts wrote: > I created my app on the Windows platform and compiled for all 3 > platforms. I then created a download page with the appropriate > files that Rev generated. The pc file will download to my computer > just fine. But when my daughter, who has a Mac, tried to download > the Mac file, it wouldn't work for her. I did notice that Rev > doesn't put an extension on the Mac file when it compiles. Do I > need to add .app after the name of the file before I make it > available for download for the Mac? Or do I need to change some > setting before I compile? Thanks. Larry From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Fri Oct 10 13:25:52 2008 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:25:52 +0100 Subject: How to create a quicktime movie from a sequence of pictures? In-Reply-To: <21CE8EBDB820D24093A875A454C5756903D98341@UM-XMAIL07.um.umsystem.edu> References: <21CE8EBDB820D24093A875A454C5756903D98341@UM-XMAIL07.um.umsystem.edu> Message-ID: <508A9E11-9BFD-4053-992C-860B940CC139@azurevision.co.uk> Do a search for Trevor DeVore's excellent QuickTime external for Rev. Ian On 15 Sep 2008, at 16:58, Saults, J Scott wrote: > I use Revolution to do psychology experiments. I have a program to > generate sequences of simple stimuli (arrays of colored squares). A > colleague who does infant research wants to use these stimuli in an > experiment. She presents such sequences on a Mac as quicktime > movies. I have modified the program to export each stimulus display > as a picture (as a 'snapshot'). Is there a way to export the > sequence of pictures as a quicktime movie from Revolution or to > easily create a quicktime movie from the sequence of pictures? I > think I can use iMovie to make a quicktime movie from pictures, but > that seems like it might be rather tedious and clumsy, especially to > get the timings like a want. I would appreciate any suggestions > about how to do this, using Revolution alone or with externals or > using other software. > > Thanks! > J Scott Saults, PhD > > Research Associate > Department of Psychological Sciences > University of Missouri > Columbia, MO 65211 > USA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From coiin at rcn.com Fri Oct 10 13:54:02 2008 From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:54:02 -0400 Subject: How to create a quicktime movie from a sequence of pictures? In-Reply-To: <21CE8EBDB820D24093A875A454C5756903D98341@UM-XMAIL07.um.umsystem.edu> References: <21CE8EBDB820D24093A875A454C5756903D98341@UM-XMAIL07.um.umsystem.edu> Message-ID: <198706ED-6DBC-4D8C-A05D-1B9F3FB8353F@rcn.com> If you have QuickTime Pro you can open up the first image of the sequence, and the rest of the sequence will import as a movie that you can then save. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Oct 10 13:54:57 2008 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:54:57 +0200 Subject: OS X Application icon corrupted by V3 standalone maker? In-Reply-To: <64F72DC3-914A-4E64-B518-6763B8BD880D@liverpool.ac.uk> References: <64F72DC3-914A-4E64-B518-6763B8BD880D@liverpool.ac.uk> Message-ID: <7B13F3F0-8E1F-4E9B-A2B3-B871BD448BA3@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Phil, I have seen this happen several times. Particularly cases where the icon file was completely empty. Somehow, it hasn't happened again lately. I'd make sure that you have the latest build of Revolution and set the path to the icon file again in the standalone builder settings. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Dutch forum: http://runrev.info/rrforum/ Benefit from our inexpensive hosting services. See http://economy-x-talk.com/server.html for more info. On 25 sep 2008, at 10:48, Phil Jimmieson wrote: > Hi folks, > I've just started using Rev version 3 (with GLX2) to make > standalones for OS X and Windows, and noticed that on OS X my custom > application icon didn't appear. At first I thought it was the usual > lazy Finder scenario where you had to zip and unzip the file or one > of the other magic invocations to get the icon recognised, but > nothing worked. I then opened up the App package and found that the > "Revolution.icns" file which contains the icon for the App would not > open with Preview - it reported the file as being damaged or in the > wrong format. Checking with an App created with Rev 2.9, the same > icns file there opens ok. My source custom icns file opens ok so it > looks like something is corrupting it when its being copied into the > package. > Has anyone else seen this? > As a workaround, I've copied my custom icns file by hand and > replaced the corrupted one in the package (and that works ok), but > if the standalone maker is corrupting it I will report it as a bug. > > -- > Phil Jimmieson phil at liverpool.ac.uk (UK) 0151 795 4236 (Mobile) > 07976 983164 > Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, > Ashton Street > Liverpool L69 3BX http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/ > I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this > ointment. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From shoreagent at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 14:33:44 2008 From: shoreagent at gmail.com (william humphrey) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:33:44 -0400 Subject: script abbreviations In-Reply-To: <5C4EF738-9C5F-4678-923E-28CB4A7A6A51@cox.net> References: <48EECA0E.6040005@fourthworld.com> <5C4EF738-9C5F-4678-923E-28CB4A7A6A51@cox.net> Message-ID: <459b22a90810101133m4c5d30depaf1e0e4f2c3f5a44@mail.gmail.com> That secret trick improves the dictionary greatly. Thanks From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Oct 10 14:34:37 2008 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:34:37 -0300 Subject: iPhone again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c87a2a10810101134q1154d77t856775bdecec8c4e@mail.gmail.com> Peter, no you can't run Revolution applications on an iPhone. You can however, build web applications that are tailored to the iPhone Mobile Safari thing. Objective-C is not a bad thing, it's way better than C/C++ (IMHO) Cheers andre On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 9:29 AM, Peter Bower, M.D. wrote: > I've read through all the prior iPhone discussions in the archive. > Is it true, really for certain, absolutely no way what-so-ever, don't even bother to think about it, to somehow run rev on an iPhone? > Objective C is the least friendly obtuse head ache inducing programming I have ever encountered. > > Peter J. Bower, M.D. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Fri Oct 10 14:36:59 2008 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:36:59 +0300 Subject: How does RunRev finds externals when building the standalone? In-Reply-To: <82CE313BF46648C29DF777BA513269BE@Kestner.local> Message-ID: On 10/10/08 8:34 PM, "Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote: >> You run insaller.rev on Windows only. >> This create in the /Documents/Rev/ folder all required fodlers >> even Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal > > Yes it did Good :-) >> You need just MNUALLY copy here from MAC >> V4REV.bundle >> dbvalentina2 > Yes I did, nothing happens > > But when creating manually: Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal/EXTERNALS folder (as > Kirill posted yesterday) > And copying manually V4REV.bundle and Externals.txt to it, then it works for > V4REV.bundle RIGHT of course: Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal/EXTERNALS/V4REV.bundle Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal/EXTERNALS/Externals.txt Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal/EXTERNALS/Database Drivers/dbvalentina2 Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal/EXTERNALS/Database Drivers/Database Drivers.txt >> And create two txt files with one line each. > > If I copy dbvalentina2 into the same /EXTERNALS folder - How should the > corresponding txt file be named, if the one for the V2REV.bundle is named > Externals.txt? (I tried dbvalentina.txt without success, I tried to write > two lines into externals.txt without success) Not into the same!!! Database Drivers subfolder. See above. Contents is (one line in each file): ================================ Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal/EXTERNALS/Externals.txt ================================ Valentina2,v4rev.bundle ================================ Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal/EXTERNALS/Database Drivers/Database Drivers.txt ================================ Valentina2,dbvalentina2 > So what I did from one of your last postings was to create another folder: > Runtime/MAC OS X/Universal/EXTERNALS/DATABASE DRIVERS > And put dbvalentina2 and database drivers.txt into that one (one level > deeper as v4rev.bundle) right > BUT this one isn't recognized by the standalone builder. That was my main > question in my last posting: How should Rev find the dbvalentina2 bundle in > the database drivers folder? See my last posting! I already have answer: * Because Revolution SEARCHES for this /External/Database Driver folder. I see you use UPPER CASE, although for Windows this should not matter. In fact case is shown in my lines. >> --- >> P.S. >> >> MAKE SURE that in Standalone Settings dialog >> you point app to be UNIVERSAL ! > > Yes I checked it - Otherwise it wouldn't actually work with the Runtime/MAC > OS X/Universal/EXTERNALS/V4REV.bundle Good. >> I think this where can be a mistake on your side. > > I would be glad if you would find a mistake on my side! I try. :) I think we need switch off list because we have bomb both lists today. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From bdrunrev at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 15:21:17 2008 From: bdrunrev at gmail.com (Bernard Devlin) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:21:17 +0100 Subject: iPhone again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter, I've experience in quite a few languages, and I have to say, I too find Obj-C a bit hard to swallow. I even prefer smalltalk to Obj C. However, whilst I'll sidestep the possibility of running a Rev app on the iPhone, can I just ask you if you are aware of the problems with iPhone distribution? Apple has pulled the plug on some apps because it doesn't like them (for various reasons). I certainly would not want any app I spend time developing to have to live or die by the whim of Steve Jobs (or more likely, a Steve Jobs wannabe). If you are not planning to deliver your iPhone app through Apple, then this thought is probably of no import. However, you might be better addressing Apple and asking them if there is the possibility of writing an application for the iPhone that is not a web app and is not written in Obj-C. Bernard On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Peter Bower, M.D. wrote: > I've read through all the prior iPhone discussions in the archive. > Is it true, really for certain, absolutely no way what-so-ever, don't even > bother to think about it, to somehow run rev on an iPhone? > Objective C is the least friendly obtuse head ache inducing programming I > have ever encountered. > > Peter J. Bower, M.D. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From coiin at rcn.com Fri Oct 10 17:03:33 2008 From: coiin at rcn.com (Colin Holgate) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:03:33 -0400 Subject: iPhone again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Oct 10, 2008, at 3:21 PM, Bernard Devlin wrote: > However, you might be better addressing Apple and asking them if > there is > the possibility of writing an application for the iPhone that is > not a web > app and is not written in Obj-C. The approach that the Unity guys have taken is that their iPhone toolkit exports out to an XCode project, which you then just build to the iPhone. I imagine that the majority of what is in the project is the 3D engine, and your custom bits are a small part of it. A similar thing ought to be possible with Rev and other tools, but I'm sure it's quite a bit of work to make the XCode project version of the main application (Rev in this case). As for App Store considerations, a lot of people use tools like Rev for making things for themselves. You can publish iPhone apps to your own iPhone without having to get it approved by Apple. From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Fri Oct 10 17:38:11 2008 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:38:11 +0100 Subject: iPhone again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F6C14D4-C522-4177-8E58-60D908890BCF@azurevision.co.uk> Given that there's no way of distributing iPhone apps other than through Apple (apart from the tiny minority of users with jailbroken iPhones), it's a relatively important thought. Ian On 10 Oct 2008, at 20:21, Bernard Devlin wrote: > If you are not planning to deliver your iPhone app through Apple, > then this > thought is probably of no import. From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 19:05:57 2008 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:05:57 +1000 Subject: iPhone again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I've experience in quite a few languages, and I have to say, I too find > Obj-C a bit hard to swallow. I even prefer smalltalk to Obj C. I believe that now the iPhone Developer's NDA has been relaxed, we should start to see more tutorials appear. > However, > whilst I'll sidestep the possibility of running a Rev app on the iPhone, can > I just ask you if you are aware of the problems with iPhone distribution? > Apple has pulled the plug on some apps because it doesn't like them (for > various reasons). I certainly would not want any app I spend time > developing to have to live or die by the whim of Steve Jobs (or more likely, > a Steve Jobs wannabe). If you actually read all the info about the relatively few cases where this has happened, it becomes clear that the pulled apps really were in breach of the iPhone developer agreement. There are now thousands of iPhone apps available with millions of downloads. Don't get scared off because a handful have been rejected, just read the agreement again and work out whether your planned app would contravene any of the clauses. > If you are not planning to deliver your iPhone app through Apple, then this > thought is probably of no import. While this is very useful for in-house apps which will be used by fewer than 100 people, it doesn't work if you want wide distribution. Cheers, Sarah From chipp at chipp.com Fri Oct 10 21:49:24 2008 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:49:24 -0500 Subject: iPhone again In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <665591460810101849i1268d7a3u52d0d8c1c7058ee0@mail.gmail.com> Sorry to disagree with you Sarah, but that just is not the case. There are a number of apps which have been rejected for various reasons with extremely lame excuses. John Gruber, a very PRO-APPLE guy, has an interesting write-up on the situation. http://daringfireball.net/2008/09/app_store_exclusion On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > If you actually read all the info about the relatively few cases where > this has happened, it becomes clear that the pulled apps really were > in breach of the iPhone developer agreement. From msrebnik at earthlink.net Fri Oct 10 23:18:08 2008 From: msrebnik at earthlink.net (Mark Srebnik) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:18:08 -0700 Subject: Great Article by Judy Perry on Rev in Ed in RevUp Newsletter Message-ID: Congrats to Judy Perry on her inspiring article in the new RevUp Newsletter on Rev in Education! Really nice to see how Rev can help young minds grow.... Mark From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Oct 10 23:22:24 2008 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:22:24 +1000 Subject: iPhone again In-Reply-To: <665591460810101849i1268d7a3u52d0d8c1c7058ee0@mail.gmail.com> References: <665591460810101849i1268d7a3u52d0d8c1c7058ee0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: As I read Gruber's article, his main point is that the policy is wrong, not that the pulled app was in contravention of the current agreement. However I do think a pre-approval mechanism would be beneficial. And please don't apologize for disagreeing with me. If we can't have a reasonable & courteous debate on this list, then I would be very sorry :-) Cheers, Sarah On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Sorry to disagree with you Sarah, but that just is not the case. There > are a number of apps which have been rejected for various reasons with > extremely lame excuses. John Gruber, a very PRO-APPLE guy, has an > interesting write-up on the situation. > > http://daringfireball.net/2008/09/app_store_exclusion > > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Sarah Reichelt > wrote: > >> If you actually read all the info about the relatively few cases where >> this has happened, it becomes clear that the pulled apps really were >> in breach of the iPhone developer agreement. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From kray at sonsothunder.com Sat Oct 11 01:05:21 2008 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:05:21 -0500 Subject: Moving a Folder to Recycle Bin in Windows XP In-Reply-To: <48D01BF1.6000901@aim.com> Message-ID: On 9/16/08 3:49 PM, "Philip Usher" wrote: > Is it possible to use revMoveFolder to move a folder to the Recylcle > Bin in Windows XP and what would the destination folder path be? I don't think you can use revMoveFolder, but you can run this VBScript using "do