Learn Programming in 1 Day

Neal Campbell K3NC nealk3nc at gmail.com
Fri Mar 14 15:04:56 EDT 2008


I honestly think that learning to program in Rev in a day is not far  
off the mark. The problem (as it is with java, .net, flex, etc.) isn't  
the language its the framework. Rev (and the rest of them for that  
matter) has such a rich framework that I doubt anyone really "knows"  
them completely, we just use the objects we like and make them do what  
we want.

In fact, they should put a copy of Rev media on the 199 laptop  
initiative (and asus EEs). Soon we would have an avalanche of Rev users!

I personally could not think of a better starting language than rev.  
Once it gives us multi-stack capability I am not sure why it wouldn't  
be the preferred language for almost any task.
Neal Campbell

www.abrohamnealsoftware.com
AIM:nealk3nc






On Mar 14, 2008, at 1:21 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> jbv wrote:
>
>> Richard Gaskin a *crit :
>>>
>>> But my first experience with an xTalk (after deciding computers were
>>> boring back in high school from having learned BASIC on a Wang)  
>>> was the
>>> exhilarating feeling that comes with making a button and scripting  
>>> simply:
>>>
>>>   on mouseUp
>>>     go next
>>>   end mouseUp
>>>
>>> In that instant I was hooked!
>> so why not say "Get hooked in 1 day" ?    ;-)
>
> Because it conjures images of meth addicts from Barstow. :)
>
>
>> Seriously, I guess you already know from my contrbutions to this  
>> list during
>> the past few years that, although I've used different prog.  
>> languages, xTalk
>> remains my favorite.
>> But I'm afraid that claims such as "learn programming in 1 day"  
>> will keep
>> most serious programmers away from Rev for a long time, as they'll  
>> keep
>> seeing it as a funny toy for beginners...
>
> Maybe, but I'd argue that the biggest hurdle for learning Rev as a  
> second language has more to do with the things we love about it, all  
> the unique differences which I feel give Rev a productivity  
> advantage but which are absolutely mind-bending for developers  
> experienced with other systems.
>
> At the heart of this is pondering what the definition of "is" is, or  
> more specifically, what "programming" is.
>
> If they'd said "Master programming in a day!", I'd be right there  
> with you.
>
> But to be able to write a simple program in a day is fully  
> achievable for beginners, and in my own view constitutes  
> "programming".
>
> Meeting you halfway, perhaps future marketing might use "Learn the  
> basics of programming in a day".  That should satisfy just about  
> everyone, while still remaining attractive to those for whom it's  
> intended.
>
>> ...but "code as you think" is better IMHO...
>
> I dunno.  Some folks think in pretty strange ways. ;)
>
> In fact, I don't know that I even think in terms of how the engine  
> thinks.  For example, when my gal asks me where I left the car keys,  
> I've never said, "get the keys of car of drawer topleft of cabinet  
> counter of room kitchen of this house".
>
> I agree that one of Rev's main benefits is that it's extremely-high- 
> level language and object model allows us to spend more time  
> thinking in terms of UI rather than API.  But I've not yet come  
> across a tagline which expresses that well.
>
> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Managing Editor, revJournal
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