From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May  1 00:40:16 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:40:16 -0500
Subject: TARGET bug..please check
In-Reply-To: <4636B761.5070008@fourthworld.com>
References: <4636B761.5070008@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210704302140p8d56285p801e431096a24971@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/30/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Was there a version in which this worked correctly?

I tested it on 2.6.1 and it worked the same. I suppose this has been a
bug for a long time. Don't know about prior to 2.6.1. In anycase, I've
already filed a bug report.

This one seems like a significant one as it really damages the
closeField message for use in validation, unless one uses a workaround
like Ken suggests. (Thanks, Ken;-)

-c


From powai903 at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 01:22:17 2007
From: powai903 at yahoo.com (Vikram Singh)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:22:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Rev 2.8 on RDP is a total disaster
In-Reply-To: <75A8975C-B3B4-4066-8D69-0908E549411C@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <711477.51153.qm@web51001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

the browser content displays ok over RDP, but dont know if this will be of help.
  regards
  vikram
  

Heather Nagey <heather at runrev.com> wrote:
  I think if you read the bug report on this you will find that this 
specific report has received a fair amount of attention over time, 
but is as yet unconfirmed since we are unsure as to the exact cause, 
or whether it is indeed even a Rev bug. It has not been marked as 
fixed, or closed, and the discussion has continued, so it should not 
come as a surprise to anyone trying out the latest version that the 
situation in this specific set of circumstances has not, in fact, 
changed.

If anyone has new data, more information, or suggestions about this 
issue, the best place to report them is in the bug report that Xavier 
has kindly supplied the url for. Flaming this list does very little 
to get the issue fixed, or looked at by engineers, it just creates 
noise and annoys the readers of the list.

If people are interested in providing useful feedback to assist us in 
making Revolution 2.9 the best release ever, please do join the beta 
test program if you have not already done so.

Regards,

Heather

On 19 Apr 2007, at 14:59, Dave wrote:

> Hi,
>
>> OOps, the documentation window is also all garbled up too!!! How 
>> this the
>> developpers and testers manage to miss this???
>
> Simple they don't bother to test it or to even run it! Wonderful, eh?
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 19 Apr 2007, at 10:33, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote:
>
>> Bad habits never change. I updated to Rev 2.8 enterprise (no, 
>> actually i
>> bought a new version) and I was expecting an improvement but not 
>> this!!!
>>
>> After nearly 8 years, I open the new runrev IDE on a server as I 
>> used to
>> with Metacard and
>> behold... ALL THE GRAPHICS ARE ALL SCREWED UP AGAIN! Not ONE color is
>> correct...
>>
>> No this is not news!!! I've reported this problem back in 1999!
>>
>> But Rev actually managed to make it worse than metacard!!!
>>
>> All the icons are noised up (like a corrupted resource on a mac), 
>> text in
>> the toolbar is just as bad where there is supposed to be a smooth
>> shading...
>>
>> Fields are all black, and since the text is black too, you must 
>> select
>> text to see what it says...
>>
>> Now, that was ok to paste (when copy or paste wants to work) in the
>> license but when you have to edit a script it's "forget it!"
>> the whole script editor field is BLACK!
>>
>> If anyone know how to work with rev in a virgin install of Rev 2.8 
>> in a
>> Win32 2003 server RDP session in 16 I would really appreciate it!!!
>> I cant even debug my scripts!!!
>>
>> OOps, the documentation window is also all garbled up too!!! How 
>> this the
>> developpers and testers manage to miss this???
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Xav
>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May  1 02:23:08 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:23:08 -0700
Subject: TARGET bug..please check
Message-ID: <4636DCCC.7060402@fourthworld.com>

Chipp wrote:

> On 4/30/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote: 
>> Was there a version in which this worked correctly?
> 
> I tested it on 2.6.1 and it worked the same. I suppose this has been a
> bug for a long time. Don't know about prior to 2.6.1. In anycase, I've
> already filed a bug report.
> 
> This one seems like a significant one as it really damages the
> closeField message for use in validation, unless one uses a workaround
> like Ken suggests. (Thanks, Ken;-)

There's another option:

I got on this kick a while back about reducing the warnings in my apps, 
looking for ways to provide guidance to the user to avoid making 
mistakes in the first place.

With regard to validation, this trajectory led me to a frontScript that 
simply prevents non-numeric characters from being entered into numeric 
fields, something like this:

on keyDown k
   get the uValidationType of the target
   if it is empty then pass keyDown
   if it is "number" AND k is in "0123456789" then
      pass keyDown
   end if
end keyDown


-- 
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May  1 02:57:47 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:57:47 -0500
Subject: TARGET bug..please check
In-Reply-To: <4636DCCC.7060402@fourthworld.com>
References: <4636DCCC.7060402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210704302357l14f87792h9be7d5c8efa65d8b@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Richard,

While your script works fine for numbers, it can't easily validate
email addresses, social-security numbers, zip codes, etc.. I really
need a single place I can put all this validation stuff, as the
project I'm working on has over 50 different input screens.

best,
Chipp


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Tue May  1 03:23:12 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 00:23:12 -0700
Subject: to avoid making mistakes   (was TARGET bug..please check)
In-Reply-To: <4636DCCC.7060402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C25C38F0.2413C%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 4/30/07 11:23 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> I got on this kick a while back about reducing the warnings in my apps,
> looking for ways to provide guidance to the user to avoid making
> mistakes in the first place.
> 
> With regard to validation, this trajectory led me to a frontScript that
> simply prevents non-numeric characters from being entered into numeric
> fields, something like this:
> 
> on keyDown k
>    get the uValidationType of the target
>    if it is empty then pass keyDown
>    if it is "number" AND k is in "0123456789" then
>       pass keyDown
>    end if
> end keyDown

Does that trajectory lead to a switch in the frontScript, or to focusIn
handlers that insert their own frontScripts, or what?

It sounds like a good topic for an article in RevJournal.  I think it'd be a
worthy feature for some Rev Standard Library too (unless it's become
proprietary, of course).

-- Dick




From eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr  Tue May  1 04:15:52 2007
From: eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_Miclo?=)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:15:52 +0200
Subject: Close field anomaly
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210704301931p44ab6782g11feab5fbc63c06@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210704301557xbc2ad84v71177f47fd439ae7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1D714248-04B9-4ED9-8F57-57F5CB4658D6@maseurope.net>
	<7aa52a210704301931p44ab6782g11feab5fbc63c06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ED631694-0504-473D-9288-CC9543C6BB39@wanadoo.fr>

Yes, and removing "select the text of me" enables the fact that on  
the second try you can click in another field.
So I suspect that selecting text inside a field is considered as a  
change, something that is not true.
For me it is definitively a bug.

Best,

?rIC

Le 1 mai 07 ? 04:31, Chipp Walters a ?crit :

> On 4/30/07, Mark Smith <mark at maseurope.net> wrote:
>> At a guess, I'd think it's because when you click in fld 2, you close
>> fld1, selecting it's text (re-opening it), thereby preventing you
>> from selecting fld 2...ie. once fld 1 is selected, selecting anything
>> else will cause fld 1 to be re-selected...
>
> Nope, I don't think so. Once fld 1 is selected, selecting anything
> else shouldn't cause another closeField message sent to fld 1.
> Remember, closeField is sent ONLY to a field where there has been a
> change. I can understand it flagging the first time, but after that I
> suppose the closeField has been reset, non?
>
> I'm trying to create a validation script which fires when the field is
> closed. Based upon this bug and the one I just mentioned on this list,
> I'm not sure how to accommodate field validation anymore-- using the
> closeField message.
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 04:55:36 2007
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 01:55:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: to avoid making mistakes   (was TARGET bug..please check)
In-Reply-To: <C25C38F0.2413C%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <381105.36033.qm@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Dick Kriesel <dick.kriesel at mail.com> wrote:
> On 4/30/07 11:23 PM, "Richard Gaskin"
> <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
> > I got on this kick a while back about reducing the
> warnings in my apps,
> > looking for ways to provide guidance to the user
> to avoid making
> > mistakes in the first place.
> > 
> > With regard to validation, this trajectory led me
> to a frontScript that
> > simply prevents non-numeric characters from being
> entered into numeric
> > fields, something like this:
> > 
> > on keyDown k
> >    get the uValidationType of the target
> >    if it is empty then pass keyDown
> >    if it is "number" AND k is in "0123456789" then
> >       pass keyDown
> >    end if
> > end keyDown
> 
> Does that trajectory lead to a switch in the
> frontScript, or to focusIn
> handlers that insert their own frontScripts, or
> what?
> 
> It sounds like a good topic for an article in
> RevJournal.  I think it'd be a
> worthy feature for some Rev Standard Library too
> (unless it's become
> proprietary, of course).
> 
> -- Dick
> 

Hi Dick et al,

Putting this into a frontscript with switches based on
a custom property, is definitely the way to go for
input validation.

The tricky part is making sure the pasteKey and
dragDrop messages are handled to test if the content
will still be correct after pasting/dropping text into
a field.

This is not too hard for numerical data, but it gets
tedious to properly support date and time fields, or
text fields that may only contain plain ASCII
characters of a maximum length in a certain pattern.

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue May  1 04:56:03 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:56:03 +0200
Subject: Location  -3200,-3200
Message-ID: <9277A695-ED11-4410-9A5F-76C84FD70739@ezpzapps.com>

I've had a PC  Rev 2.6.1 application go to location -3200,-3200
on a couple of occasions when it should be on screen.
I have no script that contains that and it has only happened
twice out of hundreds of times being used.

Anybody have any insight into why this might happen?

When a 'hide stack' happens does the stack get sent to that location?


Jim Sims
Custom Software Development
www.EZPZapps.com




From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue May  1 05:00:33 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 11:00:33 +0200
Subject: AW: How do I get the object under the mouse when mouseRelease?
In-Reply-To: <f161n2$sab$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <000501c78bcf$2e03ca80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks Ken,Jacqueline, Dick and Bill,
I knew, there are different approaches. I'll test, which one is the best for
me
Thanks
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bill Marriott
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 1. Mai 2007 02:30
> An: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Betreff: Re: How do I get the object under the mouse when mouseRelease?
> 
> Tiemo,
> 
> It's not quite impossible.
> 
> If you turn on the message watcher, you will see that when you
> drag-and-release, the following messages are sent in quick succession:
> 
> - mouseRelease to the original object
> - mouseMove to the new object
> - mouseLeave to the original object
> - mouseEnter to the new object
> 
> Because this order is always the same, you could check for this pattern
> and
> respond to it.
> 
> > > > I want to realize my own drag and drop handlers with mouseDown,
> > > > mouseRelease, etc. On mouseDown I get the underneath lying object
> with
> > > > mousecontrol. How do I get the name of an object (image) under the
> > > > mouse
> > > > when releasing it [...]?
> 
> > > Sorry, Tiemo... for right now that's the best we've got (AFAIK). I've
> > > lobbied for the mouseControl to not be tied to the original object on
> > > mouseDown, but sadly that hasn't happened yet...
> 
> > Wow, that's a pitty, I was sure there must be a pretty easy solution,
> but
> > if
> > even Ken doesn't has it ;-(
> 
> 
> 
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue May  1 05:11:43 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 12:11:43 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: can't reach Rev Beta Test Manager via e-mail
References: <381105.36033.qm@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4637044E.000005.02260@MAZYTIS>

A few days (25 04 2007) ago I have sent my feedback on top 5 problems of the
latest Revolution beta release. Today (01 05 2007) I found the following
message in my inbox : 
 
-------------------- 
This is the Postfix program at host mail.runrev.com. 
 
I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not 
be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. 
 
For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster> 
 
If you do so, please include this problem report. You can 
delete your own text from the attached returned message. 
 
The Postfix program 
 
<ombudsman at wjm.org> (expanded from <bill.marriott at runrev.com>): host 
wjm.org[69.65.21.110] said: 451 Could not complete sender verify callout 
(in reply to RCPT TO command) 
--------------------- 
 
Is there another way to submit the top 5? The bugs are already submitted to
quality center. 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras 
 


From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Tue May  1 05:26:56 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 10:26:56 +0100
Subject: Location  -3200,-3200
In-Reply-To: <9277A695-ED11-4410-9A5F-76C84FD70739@ezpzapps.com>
References: <9277A695-ED11-4410-9A5F-76C84FD70739@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <463707E0.5090702@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Jim Sims wrote:
> I've had a PC  Rev 2.6.1 application go to location -3200,-3200
> on a couple of occasions when it should be on screen.
> I have no script that contains that and it has only happened
> twice out of hundreds of times being used.
> 
> Anybody have any insight into why this might happen?
> 
> When a 'hide stack' happens does the stack get sent to that location?
> 

Jim,

That can happen if the stack happens to be minimised when saved.

Martin Baxter


From pgries at cs.toronto.edu  Tue May  1 07:49:32 2007
From: pgries at cs.toronto.edu (Paul Gries)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 07:49:32 -0400
Subject: Standalone issue with Windows network file server
In-Reply-To: <20070430225937908632.c91e96af@sonsothunder.com>
References: <D031AB9E-4DA4-47E9-A3A5-C7413F8AFB55@cs.toronto.edu>
	<20070430140252959776.5496b75e@sonsothunder.com>
	<8CC2B447-45D3-4C0E-8517-20DBCE03DC0D@cs.toronto.edu>
	<20070430225937908632.c91e96af@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <680A74FD-9212-402C-8814-2D40FD890C81@cs.toronto.edu>

On 30 Apr 2007, at 11:59 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:14:22 -0400, Paul Gries wrote:
>
>> On 30 Apr 2007, at 3:02 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:30:44 -0400, Paul Gries wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>> That is a standalone saving a data stack.  (I used the splash-screen
>> approach to building the standalone, using Rev. version 2.7.4.291, in
>> case it matters.)  There is the standalone splash screen stack, the
>> primary stack ("BlueMain", with a Save button), and three substacks
>> of BlueMain.  Saving either BlueMain or one of the substacks causes
>> the freeze.
>
> Is the standalone running from the network as well, or is it  
> running on
> a local machine?

It's running from the network as well.  I make the standalone and  
then copy the folder named "Windows" to the network drive.

-Paul


From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Tue May  1 08:14:11 2007
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (wouter)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 14:14:11 +0200
Subject: TARGET bug..please check
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210704302005g67a40eedgd45ee0e53d707eae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210704301850p369beb8cu413bbc75cae17357@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860704301929y235b6260n204b138c9178803c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210704302005g67a40eedgd45ee0e53d707eae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4022237-7150-4227-9518-A4D768CDCD19@scarlet.be>

Hi,

For what it is worth, as there is still a focus problem with the  
answer dialog box in rev 2.8.1 on OS X  (it still needs 2 clicks),
I added  a focus on line to the script after which it seems to work  
more or less normally here (in OS X), the selecting part that is.

on closeField
   if the text of the target is not empty and the text of the target  
is not a number then
     beep
     answer "Please enter a number."
     focus on the target  ####
     select text of the target
   end if
end closeField

Greetings,
Wouter

On 01 May 2007, at 04:25, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
> I've discovered what I believe is to be a significant bug in the
> latest release version of 2.8 and would like to verify before I post
> it.
>
> The bug has to do with a simple target expression and has to do with
> existing groups on a card. It's very easy to test, if you don't mind
> please check it on your system and let me know what you find. Thanks
> in advance.
>
> put into the message box and hit return:
>
> go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/chippstuff/TargetBUG.rev"
>
> best,
> Chipp
>


From simplsol at aol.com  Tue May  1 09:55:09 2007
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 09:55:09 -0400
Subject: Large data stacks - performance
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860704301328g5a0d8362g4988dc8bd3e48787@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46363C0A.3090806@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860704301328g5a0d8362g4988dc8bd3e48787@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C95A0F774AC9B0-1724-828@webmail-da12.sysops.aol.com>

Jacque, Sarah,
I've found that, even at 100 Meg., Rev. handles large stacks more 
slowly than HC, especially opening, closing, and saving (as you would 
expect).
We do an import in HC that moves data on cards in an archive to a newer 
stack. Moving 80,000 records in HC takes about an hour. The same 
operation in Rev. takes 23 hours! This is one of the very few areas 
where Rev is slower than HC.
Paul Looney

-----Original Message-----
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Large data stacks - performance

   On 5/1/07, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:?
  > Has anyone worked with very large data stacks -- say, 500 megs or 
so? Is?
  > there an appreciable slowdown? I have a client who wants to convert 
his?
  > HyperCard stacks as-is, without a database. I'm concerned about 
virtual?
 > memory swapping and other performance issues.?
?
 I haven't worked with anything that large, but I did convert a?
 HyperCard stack that used one card per record. It had about 5000?
 cards. Searching using "mark card" was super-fast in HC and unusably?
 slow in Rev, so I had to convert it to a text file database.?
?
 Since Rev works by loading stacks completely into memory, I would?
 reckon that a 500 Meg stack would not be feasible.?
?
 Cheers,?
 Sarah?
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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May  1 10:32:14 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 09:32:14 -0500
Subject: TARGET bug..please check
In-Reply-To: <B4022237-7150-4227-9518-A4D768CDCD19@scarlet.be>
References: <7aa52a210704301850p369beb8cu413bbc75cae17357@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860704301929y235b6260n204b138c9178803c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210704302005g67a40eedgd45ee0e53d707eae@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4022237-7150-4227-9518-A4D768CDCD19@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705010732y6b090763le1d40a3d2e3e2716@mail.gmail.com>

Wouter,

Ding ding! That's the ticket. Your fix works perfectly...and indeed
THAT is the bug identified by RunRev support (only a few hours after I
posted to the bug database!).

Thanks for the fix. best, Chipp

On 5/1/07, wouter <wouter.abraham at scarlet.be> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For what it is worth, as there is still a focus problem with the
> answer dialog box in rev 2.8.1 on OS X  (it still needs 2 clicks),
> I added  a focus on line to the script after which it seems to work
> more or less normally here (in OS X), the selecting part that is.
>
> on closeField
>    if the text of the target is not empty and the text of the target
> is not a number then
>      beep
>      answer "Please enter a number."
>      focus on the target  ####
>      select text of the target
>    end if
> end closeField


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue May  1 10:40:17 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 09:40:17 -0500
Subject: Standalone issue with Windows network file server
In-Reply-To: <680A74FD-9212-402C-8814-2D40FD890C81@cs.toronto.edu>
References: <D031AB9E-4DA4-47E9-A3A5-C7413F8AFB55@cs.toronto.edu>
	<20070430140252959776.5496b75e@sonsothunder.com>
	<8CC2B447-45D3-4C0E-8517-20DBCE03DC0D@cs.toronto.edu>
	<20070430225937908632.c91e96af@sonsothunder.com>
	<680A74FD-9212-402C-8814-2D40FD890C81@cs.toronto.edu>
Message-ID: <20070501094017184938.adc03f14@sonsothunder.com>

On Tue, 1 May 2007 07:49:32 -0400, Paul Gries wrote:

> On 30 Apr 2007, at 11:59 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
> 
>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:14:22 -0400, Paul Gries wrote:
>> 
>>> On 30 Apr 2007, at 3:02 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:30:44 -0400, Paul Gries wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>> That is a standalone saving a data stack.  (I used the splash-screen
>>> approach to building the standalone, using Rev. version 2.7.4.291, in
>>> case it matters.)  There is the standalone splash screen stack, the
>>> primary stack ("BlueMain", with a Save button), and three substacks
>>> of BlueMain.  Saving either BlueMain or one of the substacks causes
>>> the freeze.
>> 
>> Is the standalone running from the network as well, or is it running on
>> a local machine?
> 
> It's running from the network as well.  I make the standalone and 
> then copy the folder named "Windows" to the network drive.

A long time ago I had issues related to UNC pathnames that Rev was 
unable to resolve which caused problems in accessing files on network 
servers. It's possible that when saving, Rev is getting the "filename" 
property of the stack and trying to write the data back to that 
location. One thing to check would be to put in some debug code that 
did "put the fileName of stack 'BlueMain'" and see what it is. If the 
network drive isn't mapped, perhaps mapping it to a drive letter and 
then setting the filename of the stack to a path that includes the 
drive letter will help.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From Camm29 at tesco.net  Tue May  1 12:32:37 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 17:32:37 +0100
Subject: RS232 Failing in Rev 2.8 
Message-ID: <004401c78c0e$55a02d60$0a01a8c0@workshop>

Having trouble since using Rev 2.8 with ComPort RS232 failing
in development mode ?
PC Hangs on occasion.

Seems to work in Standalone !

Never a problem in previous versions in any mode ? 


Any ideas or bug ?

Regards
Camm
_______________________________________________


From wjm at wjm.org  Tue May  1 13:55:22 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (William Marriott)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 13:55:22 -0400
Subject: can't reach Rev Beta Test Manager via e-mail
In-Reply-To: <4637044E.000005.02260@MAZYTIS>
References: <381105.36033.qm@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
	<4637044E.000005.02260@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <46377F0A.1030104@wjm.org>

Viktoras,

Thanks for taking the time to compile your "top 5."

Try sending me a mail again at bill.marriott(at)runrev.com and if that 
doesn't work, you can use wjm(at)wjm.org.

- Bill

Viktoras Didziulis wrote:
> A few days (25 04 2007) ago I have sent my feedback on top 5 problems of the
> latest Revolution beta release. Today (01 05 2007) I found the following
> message in my inbox : 
>  
> -------------------- 
> This is the Postfix program at host mail.runrev.com. 
>  
> I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not 
> be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. 
>  
> For further assistance, please send mail to <postmaster> 
>  
> If you do so, please include this problem report. You can 
> delete your own text from the attached returned message. 
>  
> The Postfix program 
>  
> <ombudsman at wjm.org> (expanded from <bill.marriott-5iovyGWheQXQT0dZR+AlfA at public.gmane.org>): host 
> wjm.org[69.65.21.110] said: 451 Could not complete sender verify callout 
> (in reply to RCPT TO command) 
> --------------------- 



From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue May  1 13:57:44 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 18:57:44 +0100
Subject: PowerPC vs Intel External Modules
In-Reply-To: <004401c78c0e$55a02d60$0a01a8c0@workshop>
References: <004401c78c0e$55a02d60$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <F9FA0ED3-F5B6-4DC9-B792-5DD81FB196BF@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I have an Application that uses an External Module. The External is  
compiled for PowerPC and Intel Mac's. Is there a way of determining  
which file is loaded from the RunRev Stack?

Thanks a lot,
All the Best
Dave



From kee at kagi.com  Tue May  1 14:00:22 2007
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 11:00:22 -0700
Subject: Vote for Darwin CGI Engine Update Needed
In-Reply-To: <004401c78c0e$55a02d60$0a01a8c0@workshop>
References: <004401c78c0e$55a02d60$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <F4EB94CD-A845-4F9D-B80C-BA7CF2DBC34E@kagi.com>

vote for it by name!

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4819>

Kee Nethery


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May  1 16:07:24 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 15:07:24 -0500
Subject: TARGET bug..please check
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705010732y6b090763le1d40a3d2e3e2716@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210704301850p369beb8cu413bbc75cae17357@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860704301929y235b6260n204b138c9178803c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210704302005g67a40eedgd45ee0e53d707eae@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4022237-7150-4227-9518-A4D768CDCD19@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705010732y6b090763le1d40a3d2e3e2716@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705011307s5a54ff7ei77807d888e0431ae@mail.gmail.com>

Whoops! Spoke too fast.
Wouter, thanks for the 'focus on the target' but it doesn't work with
the following stack.
Check it out:

put in the message box and hit return.

go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/chippstuff/TargetBUG2.rev"

Turns out if there is a LIST field on a lower layer, the 'focus on the
target' just doesn't work.
I'll post to bugzilla.

-Chipp


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue May  1 16:20:32 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 15:20:32 -0500
Subject: Close field anomaly
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210704301557xbc2ad84v71177f47fd439ae7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210704301557xbc2ad84v71177f47fd439ae7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4637A110.3050307@siboneylg.com>

It works for me:

If you have

on closeField
  if the text of me is not a number then
    select the text of me
    beep
  end if
end closeField

in the handler for the field, you get a beep and the text is selected.  
If you try to select the second field, it will still beep.

Since the "select the text of me" forces the closeField to be called the 
next time you try to move to another field, the field is validated 
again.  If it weren't, you could click the second field twice and move 
on (the first click would call closeField, which would beep and select 
the text; then if you didn't change [i.e., correct] the field, in theory 
closeField wouldn't be called, so the incorrect value would be accepted).

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Create a new stack with two fields. Set the script of the first fld to:
>
> on closeField
>  beep
>  select the text of me
> end closeField
>
> Now, enter text into fld 1 and try and click to fld 2. Can't. Any idea 
> why?
>
> -Chipp
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue May  1 16:22:22 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 15:22:22 -0500
Subject: Close field anomaly
In-Reply-To: <ED631694-0504-473D-9288-CC9543C6BB39@wanadoo.fr>
References: <7aa52a210704301557xbc2ad84v71177f47fd439ae7@mail.gmail.com>	<1D714248-04B9-4ED9-8F57-57F5CB4658D6@maseurope.net>	<7aa52a210704301931p44ab6782g11feab5fbc63c06@mail.gmail.com>
	<ED631694-0504-473D-9288-CC9543C6BB39@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <4637A17E.6000100@siboneylg.com>

Actually, this isn't a bug.  If "select the text of me"didn't cause 
closeField to be sent again, the user could then get out of an invalid 
field by clicking twice: once to select it, and then, since the field 
didn't change, closeField wouldn't be called, and the user could move 
own, leaving an invalid value.

?ric Miclo wrote:
> Yes, and removing "select the text of me" enables the fact that on the 
> second try you can click in another field.
> So I suspect that selecting text inside a field is considered as a 
> change, something that is not true.
> For me it is definitively a bug.
>
> Best,
>
> ?rIC
>
> Le 1 mai 07 ? 04:31, Chipp Walters a ?crit :
>
>> On 4/30/07, Mark Smith <mark at maseurope.net> wrote:
>>> At a guess, I'd think it's because when you click in fld 2, you close
>>> fld1, selecting it's text (re-opening it), thereby preventing you
>>> from selecting fld 2...ie. once fld 1 is selected, selecting anything
>>> else will cause fld 1 to be re-selected...
>>
>> Nope, I don't think so. Once fld 1 is selected, selecting anything
>> else shouldn't cause another closeField message sent to fld 1.
>> Remember, closeField is sent ONLY to a field where there has been a
>> change. I can understand it flagging the first time, but after that I
>> suppose the closeField has been reset, non?
>>
>> I'm trying to create a validation script which fires when the field is
>> closed. Based upon this bug and the one I just mentioned on this list,
>> I'm not sure how to accommodate field validation anymore-- using the
>> closeField message.
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>>
>
> -- My NeXT computer will Be a Mac too! --
>
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May  1 16:56:01 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 15:56:01 -0500
Subject: is a date broke?
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705011356k19a383cekd4b46162f1d7413d@mail.gmail.com>

How come when you put in the msg box:

put "01/01/01 are you kidding me" is a date

you get true? Am I missing something?
How do you validate a date entry?


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 17:00:27 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 14:00:27 -0700
Subject: is a date broke?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705011356k19a383cekd4b46162f1d7413d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C25CF87B.459B3%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Check out Sarah's page

http://troz.net/Rev/libraries.php

Date & time stack

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 5/1/07 1:56 PM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> How come when you put in the msg box:
> 
> put "01/01/01 are you kidding me" is a date
> 
> you get true? Am I missing something?
> How do you validate a date entry?




From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May  1 17:09:37 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 16:09:37 -0500
Subject: is a date broke?
In-Reply-To: <C25CF87B.459B3%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <7aa52a210705011356k19a383cekd4b46162f1d7413d@mail.gmail.com>
	<C25CF87B.459B3%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705011409o6defa458r358da60f83ccb0bf@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jim,
I don't see anything there which can help me:

If I try the numericDate function:
put numericDate("01/01/01 hello dog")
I get:
01/01/01 hello dog00

Any other ideas?


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 17:26:02 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 14:26:02 -0700
Subject: is a date broke?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705011409o6defa458r358da60f83ccb0bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C25CFE7A.459BB%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I guess I would start with a couple assumptions:

filter with "*/*/*" --> is not empty

collect a string that contains only the valid date chars "/-0123456789"

decide if spaces end the loop (eg word 1, 2, 3)
--perhaps repeat for each word WRD
--until at least "d/d/dd" was found, then exit repeat

or
replace "-" with "/" in input
?? replace " " with empty in input
set the itemdel to "/"
check word -1 of item 1 of input
try 
  put word -1 of item 1 of input * 1 into mmm
 catch
  answer "invalid month entry"
  exit to top
end try
try
  put word 1 of item 3 of input * 1 into yyy

catch
  answer "invalid year entry"
  exit to top

end try

etc.... depends on what you will allow, and also consider European date
order.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/1/07 2:09 PM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jim,
> I don't see anything there which can help me:
> 
> If I try the numericDate function:
> put numericDate("01/01/01 hello dog")
> I get:
> 01/01/01 hello dog00
> 
> Any other ideas?
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May  1 17:26:43 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 14:26:43 -0700
Subject: is a date broke?
Message-ID: <4637B093.8030800@fourthworld.com>

Chipp wrote:
> Thanks Jim,
> I don't see anything there which can help me:
> 
> If I try the numericDate function:
> put numericDate("01/01/01 hello dog")
> I get:
> 01/01/01 hello dog00
> 
> Any other ideas?

That's a bug:  2001 was the Year of the Snake.

The most recent Year of the Dog was 2006.

Other supported constants include:

Pig
Rooster
Rabbit
Snake
Ox
Sheep
Monkey
Tiger
Rat
Horse

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue May  1 17:28:03 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 16:28:03 -0500
Subject: is a date broke?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705011356k19a383cekd4b46162f1d7413d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210705011356k19a383cekd4b46162f1d7413d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4637B0E3.5070400@siboneylg.com>

The beta of 2.8.1 returns false.

Chipp Walters wrote:
> How come when you put in the msg box:
>
> put "01/01/01 are you kidding me" is a date
>
> you get true? Am I missing something?
> How do you validate a date entry?
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue May  1 17:33:44 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 16:33:44 -0500
Subject: is a date broke?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705011356k19a383cekd4b46162f1d7413d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210705011356k19a383cekd4b46162f1d7413d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4637B238.6000800@siboneylg.com>

Should *

"01-01-01" is a date*

return true?

Chipp Walters wrote:
> How come when you put in the msg box:
>
> put "01/01/01 are you kidding me" is a date
>
> you get true? Am I missing something?
> How do you validate a date entry?
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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>


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May  1 18:32:31 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 17:32:31 -0500
Subject: is a date broke?
In-Reply-To: <4637B0E3.5070400@siboneylg.com>
References: <7aa52a210705011356k19a383cekd4b46162f1d7413d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4637B0E3.5070400@siboneylg.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705011532u881e9c1ma2366294399daf0a@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like I should wait for 2.8.1 to go golden then.

Jim, yeah, I was trying NOT to have to hand craft an isDate() function.

Thanks all-- though it appears Richard's tongue is certainly pressed
firm against his cheek.

-Chipp


From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Tue May  1 18:35:38 2007
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (wouter)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 00:35:38 +0200
Subject: TARGET bug..please check
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705011307s5a54ff7ei77807d888e0431ae@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210704301850p369beb8cu413bbc75cae17357@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860704301929y235b6260n204b138c9178803c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210704302005g67a40eedgd45ee0e53d707eae@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4022237-7150-4227-9518-A4D768CDCD19@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705010732y6b090763le1d40a3d2e3e2716@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705011307s5a54ff7ei77807d888e0431ae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2449B89-BFCE-411E-8262-16E30C7E3636@scarlet.be>


On 01 May 2007, at 22:07, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Whoops! Spoke too fast.
> Wouter, thanks for the 'focus on the target' but it doesn't work with
> the following stack.
> Check it out:
>
> put in the message box and hit return.
>
> go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/chippstuff/TargetBUG2.rev"
>
> Turns out if there is a LIST field on a lower layer, the 'focus on the
> target' just doesn't work.
> I'll post to bugzilla.
>
> -Chipp

Hi again,

That is why I used "more or less".
The workaround I normally use to not let the updates by the engine  
screw up
the intentions of a script (because this case is no real exception),  
is to get "behind" those updates.
Something like this:

on closeField
   if the text of the target is not empty and the text of the target  
is not a number then
     beep
     put the id of the target into tTarId
     answer "Please enter a number."
     --  the amount of millisecs may be related to processor speed
     send "epilogue" && tTarId to me in 10 millisecs
   end if
end closeField

on epilogue x
   focus on control id x
   select text of control id x
end epilogue

ps: and in this particular case I would add an exitfield handler

Greetings,
Wouter


From cubist at aol.com  Tue May  1 18:42:46 2007
From: cubist at aol.com (cubist at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 18:42:46 -0400
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 44, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <20070501170007.B91834890AC@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070501170007.B91834890AC@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8C95A592C23857F-820-2595@webmail-de14.sysops.aol.com>

sez "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com>:
>Thanks Richard,
>
>While your script works fine for numbers, it can't easily validate
>email addresses, social-security numbers, zip codes, etc.. I really
>need a single place I can put all this validation stuff, as the
>project I'm working on has over 50 different input screens.
    Looking at Richard's original script, it seems to me that there's at 
least one semi-obvious way to go...

on keyDown k
   put false into LetItPass
   put the length of the target into TargLen
   switch (the uValidationType of the target)
   case "integer"
      if k is in "0123456789" then put true into LetItPass
      break

   case "zipcode"
      # 5-digit ZIPs: 5 digits
      # 9-digit ZIPs: 5 digits, 1 dash, 4 digits
      if TargLen = 6 then
         # the user is typing the *6th* char, which must be a dash
         if k is "-" then put true into LetItPass
      else if TargLen < 11 then
         # the user is typing any other char, which much be a digit
         if k is in "0123456789" then put true into LetItPass
      end if
      break

   case "socialsecurity"
      # 3 digits one dash, 2 digits, 1 dash, 4 digits; total of 11 chars
      if ((TargLen = 3) or (TargLen = 6)) then
         # the user is typing either the 4th or 7th char;
         # either way, it's gotta be a dash
         if k is "-" then put true into LetItPass
      else if TargLen < 12 then
         # any other char in the string, it's a digit
         if k is in "0123456789" then put true into LetItPass
      end if
      break

   case "complicated"
       # this particular class of input needs a highly complex 
validation scheme
       if ThisComplexValidator (k, (the target)) then put true into 
LetItPass
      break

   default
      put true into LetItPass
      # if you want to be fussy about input validation,
      # *don't* put true into LetItPass by default; rather,
      # leave LetItPass alone

   end switch

   if LetItPass then pass keyDown
end keyDown

   Hope this helps...
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 18:43:29 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 15:43:29 -0700
Subject: is a date broke?
In-Reply-To: <4637B238.6000800@siboneylg.com>
Message-ID: <C25D10A1.459C8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 5/1/07 2:33 PM, "Peter T. Evensen" <pevensen at siboneylg.com> wrote:

> Should *
> 
> "01-01-01" is a date*
> 
> return true? 

A lot of databases and spreadsheets use "-" as a valid date separator, so
considering these data sources, this would make sense.   Of course, in Rev
"01-01" would be "1 - 1" which is 0.

in Excel, this string would become  Jan 01 of the current year, unless this
was during daylight savings in a leap year, and then you would have to
consult one of the moons orbiting Saturn.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May  1 21:24:44 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 11:24:44 +1000
Subject: is a date broke?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705011356k19a383cekd4b46162f1d7413d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210705011356k19a383cekd4b46162f1d7413d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705011824g47abdba4l62799eb08237a9e3@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/2/07, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> How come when you put in the msg box:
>
> put "01/01/01 are you kidding me" is a date
>
> you get true? Am I missing something?
> How do you validate a date entry?


Under 2.8.1-dp-1, "is a date" was rejecting too much. Under dp-2 & 3,
it hardly rejects anything. From my tests, anything with 3 numbers
separated by slashes will pass the test.

Bug #4641
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4641>

Sarah


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May  1 21:57:05 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 20:57:05 -0500
Subject: is a date broke?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705011824g47abdba4l62799eb08237a9e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210705011356k19a383cekd4b46162f1d7413d@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860705011824g47abdba4l62799eb08237a9e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705011857v6d4245d6n8dd24be432b1b2fe@mail.gmail.com>

Sarah,

Do you have any date validator functions laying around. If so, could
you pour me a cupful? Thanks ;-)


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May  1 22:06:29 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:06:29 -0500
Subject: TARGET bug..please check
In-Reply-To: <D2449B89-BFCE-411E-8262-16E30C7E3636@scarlet.be>
References: <7aa52a210704301850p369beb8cu413bbc75cae17357@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860704301929y235b6260n204b138c9178803c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210704302005g67a40eedgd45ee0e53d707eae@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4022237-7150-4227-9518-A4D768CDCD19@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705010732y6b090763le1d40a3d2e3e2716@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705011307s5a54ff7ei77807d888e0431ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2449B89-BFCE-411E-8262-16E30C7E3636@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705011906n54596c1eoe3b253bd688be55a@mail.gmail.com>

Wouter,

Yep, I ended up doing something along the lines of what you and Ken
suggested. Though, why do you suggest adding an exitField handler?
Just in case?

-Chipp


From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Tue May  1 22:36:20 2007
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (wouter)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 04:36:20 +0200
Subject: TARGET bug..please check
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705011906n54596c1eoe3b253bd688be55a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210704301850p369beb8cu413bbc75cae17357@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860704301929y235b6260n204b138c9178803c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210704302005g67a40eedgd45ee0e53d707eae@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4022237-7150-4227-9518-A4D768CDCD19@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705010732y6b090763le1d40a3d2e3e2716@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705011307s5a54ff7ei77807d888e0431ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2449B89-BFCE-411E-8262-16E30C7E3636@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705011906n54596c1eoe3b253bd688be55a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1C98347F-1614-4345-B78A-E4DC828755B8@scarlet.be>


On 02 May 2007, at 04:06, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Wouter,
>
> Yep, I ended up doing something along the lines of what you and Ken
> suggested. Though, why do you suggest adding an exitField handler?
> Just in case?
>
> -Chipp

Chipp,

Not really just in case.
Your second example stack will not have the "modal" functioning  
without an exitfield handler.
Once the dialog box is dismissed another field can be focussed (which  
was not the case in your first example stack).
In OS X that is, I don't have a winbox here to test.

on exitfield
    closefield
end exitfield

will force the re-evaluation from the closefield handler.

Greetings,
Wouter


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May  1 23:54:08 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:54:08 +1000
Subject: is a date broke?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705011857v6d4245d6n8dd24be432b1b2fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210705011356k19a383cekd4b46162f1d7413d@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860705011824g47abdba4l62799eb08237a9e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705011857v6d4245d6n8dd24be432b1b2fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705012054x3dfcda9dp79b9d2349965df76@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/2/07, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> Sarah,
>
> Do you have any date validator functions laying around. If so, could
> you pour me a cupful? Thanks ;-)

Hi Chipp,

Here is one I use sometimes. If the supplied date is OK, it returns
that date as a short date but with the year as 4 digits, however you
can easily modify that. The parameter must be in English format.

It uses 2 methods: firstly checking whether the supplied date can be
converted to dateItems and then assembling those items into a short
date and seeing if that converts to the same seconds as the supplied
date.

The only peculiarity I have found is that negative years will work.
year -1 becomes 1999 and so on.

function checkDate pDate
    put pDate into formDate
    convert formDate to dateItems
    if the number of items in formDate <> 7 then return "error"
    put item 2 of formDate & "/" & item 3 of formDate & "/" & item 1
of formDate into formDate
    put formDate into formSecs
    convert formSecs to seconds
    convert pDate to seconds

    if formDate is a date and formSecs = pDate then
        return formDate
    else
        return "error"
    end if
end checkDate

My preferred method of date validation is not to allow direct date
entry but only to let people choose a date from a calendar. There is
one on my web site which anyone is welcome to use
<http://www.troz.net/Rev/libraries.php>.

Cheers,
Sarah


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed May  2 04:57:01 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 10:57:01 +0200
Subject: THIS TEST VERSION HAS EXPIRED
Message-ID: <61293BD8-0259-4F82-BBE9-073BF8CCFB92@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi all,

A bit surprised this morning:
Opening any 2.8.1 (dp1, 2 or 3) on Mac or Win just displays this  
message: "This test version has expired".
When going back to 2.7.4 and checking for updates, the answer is:  
"There are currently no updates available, please check again soon."

How can we work?

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
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From kevin at runrev.com  Wed May  2 05:00:25 2007
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 10:00:25 +0100
Subject: THIS TEST VERSION HAS EXPIRED
In-Reply-To: <61293BD8-0259-4F82-BBE9-073BF8CCFB92@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C25E11B9.4D1EA%kevin@runrev.com>

On 2/5/07 09:57, "Eric Chatonet" <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:

> A bit surprised this morning:
> Opening any 2.8.1 (dp1, 2 or 3) on Mac or Win just displays this
> message: "This test version has expired".
> When going back to 2.7.4 and checking for updates, the answer is:
> "There are currently no updates available, please check again soon."
> 
> How can we work?

Sorry, this is a bug.  That's the expiry date for dp2, someone forgot to
update it when we did dp3.  Fortunately, we are working on a new build
today.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed May  2 05:07:27 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 11:07:27 +0200
Subject: THIS TEST VERSION HAS EXPIRED
In-Reply-To: <C25E11B9.4D1EA%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C25E11B9.4D1EA%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C17E7726-FFFA-4C69-A8D4-A9EB46719B14@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for replying quickly.
Does this mean that we'll be able to get a 2.8.1 dp-4 (or something  
like that) when checking for updates from 2.7.4 later today?

PS. I'm sorry for my multiple posts: this was not intentional :-)

Le 2 mai 07 ? 11:00, Kevin Miller a ?crit :

> On 2/5/07 09:57, "Eric Chatonet"  
> <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:
>
>> A bit surprised this morning:
>> Opening any 2.8.1 (dp1, 2 or 3) on Mac or Win just displays this
>> message: "This test version has expired".
>> When going back to 2.7.4 and checking for updates, the answer is:
>> "There are currently no updates available, please check again soon."
>>
>> How can we work?
>
> Sorry, this is a bug.  That's the expiry date for dp2, someone  
> forgot to
> update it when we did dp3.  Fortunately, we are working on a new build
> today.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be  Wed May  2 05:15:21 2007
From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (Wouter)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 11:15:21 +0200
Subject: extra mousedown messages
Message-ID: <A56B0677-C545-403F-ACB7-CF73F52CFDA7@scarlet.be>

Hi All,

Having had some problems caused by extra messages generated in  
certain cases, I started hunting them down.
For this I used the following recipe:

- create a mainstack and add a push button and a field with locktext  
true.
- set the script of the card or the stack to:

on mousedown
   if the optionkey is down then
     put ""
     exit to top
   end if
   put "mousedown" && the target && the millisecs  & cr after msg
end mousedown

on mousedoubledown
   put "mousedoubledown" && the target && the millisecs  & cr after msg
end mousedoubledown

- try performing a mousedubbledown and keep the mouse down
- then release the mouse button and observe what happens

Seemingly it gives the same results on Win32 and on MacOSX.
I'll give the results with a push button:

in rev 1.1:
mousedown button "New Button 1" 1178096016059
mousedoubledown button "New Button 1" 1178096016178
--> mouse released : no further messages

in rev 2.1:
mousedown button "Button 1" 1178096229057
mousedoubledown button "Button 1" 1178096229203
mousedoubledown card id 1002 1178096229208
--> mouse released : no further messages

in rev 2.5.1:
mousedown button "Button" 1178096730853
mousedoubledown button "Button" 1178096731000
mousedoubledown card id 1002 1178096731013
--> mouse released -->
mousedown button "Button" 1178096731733

in rev 2.8.1
mousedown button "Button" 1178096881969
mousedoubledown button "Button" 1178096882131
mousedoubledown card id 1002 1178096882145
--> mouse released -->
mousedown button "Button" 1178096883161

Question: is this considered normal behavior?

PS: this is not the only condition extra messages are generated.


TIA.
Greetings,
Wouter



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed May  2 06:52:44 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 11:52:44 +0100
Subject: How to tell Type of CPU?????
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705011906n54596c1eoe3b253bd688be55a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210704301850p369beb8cu413bbc75cae17357@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860704301929y235b6260n204b138c9178803c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210704302005g67a40eedgd45ee0e53d707eae@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4022237-7150-4227-9518-A4D768CDCD19@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705010732y6b090763le1d40a3d2e3e2716@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705011307s5a54ff7ei77807d888e0431ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2449B89-BFCE-411E-8262-16E30C7E3636@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705011906n54596c1eoe3b253bd688be55a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7732ED00-86AA-464E-9B7F-56224C26F01B@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

How can I tell the type of machine the stack is running on?

I've tried "the machine" - this returns "unknown".

the "platform" returns "MacOS" - (incorrectly since I'm actually  
running under "MacOS X"

I need to tell if:

1.  I'm Running Under Mac OS X or Windows and
2.  If Mac OS X, if I'm running on an Intel or PowerPC

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From nickp at didata.bw  Wed May  2 07:13:04 2007
From: nickp at didata.bw (Nic Prioleau)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:13:04 +0200
Subject: XML Tree and spaces
Message-ID: <019901c78caa$da8337b0$480aa8c0@didata.bw>

Hello,

I posted a question regarding XML trees and spaces some while ago but got no response so I thought I'd try again.

If I create an xml tree and I have spaces in one of the node values, it will only show the first part of the value before the space. Is there anything anyone can tell me here? Am I not allowed to use spaces here? It would seem a bit limiting if I did?!

Thanks
Regards
Nic
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed May  2 07:26:36 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 13:26:36 +0200
Subject: How to tell Type of CPU?????
In-Reply-To: <7732ED00-86AA-464E-9B7F-56224C26F01B@looktowindward.com>
References: <7aa52a210704301850p369beb8cu413bbc75cae17357@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860704301929y235b6260n204b138c9178803c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210704302005g67a40eedgd45ee0e53d707eae@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4022237-7150-4227-9518-A4D768CDCD19@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705010732y6b090763le1d40a3d2e3e2716@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705011307s5a54ff7ei77807d888e0431ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2449B89-BFCE-411E-8262-16E30C7E3636@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705011906n54596c1eoe3b253bd688be55a@mail.gmail.com>
	<7732ED00-86AA-464E-9B7F-56224C26F01B@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <1582D063-F815-4DC7-9AA8-B1EC6A2CCA7F@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

In verbose style:

on foo
   if the platform is "MacOS" then -- osx or os9
     if char 1 of the version is 1 then -- osx
       if the processor is "x86" then -- intel
         return "You are on an intel Mac"
       else
         return "You are in a PPC Mac"
       end if
     else
        return "This machine doesn't run OSX"
     end if
   else
     return "This is no Mac"
   end if
end foo

(untested)

Best,

Mark

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Op 2-mei-2007, om 12:52 heeft Dave het volgende geschreven:

> Hi,
>
> How can I tell the type of machine the stack is running on?
>
> I've tried "the machine" - this returns "unknown".
>
> the "platform" returns "MacOS" - (incorrectly since I'm actually  
> running under "MacOS X"
>
> I need to tell if:
>
> 1.  I'm Running Under Mac OS X or Windows and
> 2.  If Mac OS X, if I'm running on an Intel or PowerPC
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Wed May  2 07:30:18 2007
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 04:30:18 -0700
Subject: How to tell Type of CPU?????
In-Reply-To: <7732ED00-86AA-464E-9B7F-56224C26F01B@looktowindward.com>
References: <7aa52a210704301850p369beb8cu413bbc75cae17357@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860704301929y235b6260n204b138c9178803c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210704302005g67a40eedgd45ee0e53d707eae@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4022237-7150-4227-9518-A4D768CDCD19@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705010732y6b090763le1d40a3d2e3e2716@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705011307s5a54ff7ei77807d888e0431ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2449B89-BFCE-411E-8262-16E30C7E3636@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705011906n54596c1eoe3b253bd688be55a@mail.gmail.com>
	<7732ED00-86AA-464E-9B7F-56224C26F01B@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <D36C5817-1184-4299-A8F7-2CC721E3B3AF@elementarysoftware.com>

Dave,
< the platform > correctly returns MacOS for all Macintosh systems.   
To distinguish them use < the systemVersion >

-- this function (taken from the stdLib) lets you know if it is OSX
function isOSX
   if the platform is not "MacOS" then return false
   get the systemversion
   set the itemdel to "."
   if item 1 of it >= 10 then return true
   return false
end isOSX


--  if it is OSX then you can check to see if < the processor >  
contains "PowerPC"
if isOSX() then
    if   "PowerPC" is in the processor then
      put "PPC"
    else
      put "Intel"
    end if
end if


-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

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On May 2, 2007, at 3:52 AM, Dave wrote:

> Hi,
>
> How can I tell the type of machine the stack is running on?
>
> I've tried "the machine" - this returns "unknown".
>
> the "platform" returns "MacOS" - (incorrectly since I'm actually  
> running under "MacOS X"
>
> I need to tell if:
>
> 1.  I'm Running Under Mac OS X or Windows and
> 2.  If Mac OS X, if I'm running on an Intel or PowerPC
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed May  2 07:33:53 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:33:53 +0100
Subject: How to tell Type of CPU?????
In-Reply-To: <1582D063-F815-4DC7-9AA8-B1EC6A2CCA7F@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <7aa52a210704301850p369beb8cu413bbc75cae17357@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860704301929y235b6260n204b138c9178803c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210704302005g67a40eedgd45ee0e53d707eae@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4022237-7150-4227-9518-A4D768CDCD19@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705010732y6b090763le1d40a3d2e3e2716@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705011307s5a54ff7ei77807d888e0431ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2449B89-BFCE-411E-8262-16E30C7E3636@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705011906n54596c1eoe3b253bd688be55a@mail.gmail.com>
	<7732ED00-86AA-464E-9B7F-56224C26F01B@looktowindward.com>
	<1582D063-F815-4DC7-9AA8-B1EC6A2CCA7F@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <FE1C0A79-9C82-488D-9DAA-3AB66AC20CEB@azurevision.co.uk>

Change "char 1 of the version" to "char 1 of the systemversion" and  
it works fine.

Ian

On 2 May 2007, at 12:26, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> on foo
>   if the platform is "MacOS" then -- osx or os9
>     if char 1 of the version is 1 then -- osx
>       if the processor is "x86" then -- intel
>         return "You are on an intel Mac"
>       else
>         return "You are in a PPC Mac"
>       end if
>     else
>        return "This machine doesn't run OSX"
>     end if
>   else
>     return "This is no Mac"
>   end if
> end foo



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed May  2 07:59:19 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:59:19 +0100
Subject: Location  -3200,-3200
In-Reply-To: <9277A695-ED11-4410-9A5F-76C84FD70739@ezpzapps.com>
References: <9277A695-ED11-4410-9A5F-76C84FD70739@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <F8EE0BBA-44B9-4D0F-8F88-E40165EDE60F@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Does the stack use the Geometry Manager? If so, it sometimes goes  
Beswick and sets the location way off the visible screen.

All the Best
Dave

On 1 May 2007, at 09:56, Jim Sims wrote:

> I've had a PC  Rev 2.6.1 application go to location -3200,-3200
> on a couple of occasions when it should be on screen.
> I have no script that contains that and it has only happened
> twice out of hundreds of times being used.
>
> Anybody have any insight into why this might happen?
>
> When a 'hide stack' happens does the stack get sent to that location?
>
>
> Jim Sims
> Custom Software Development
> www.EZPZapps.com
>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed May  2 08:00:08 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:00:08 +0200
Subject: How to tell Type of CPU?????
In-Reply-To: <FE1C0A79-9C82-488D-9DAA-3AB66AC20CEB@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <7aa52a210704301850p369beb8cu413bbc75cae17357@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860704301929y235b6260n204b138c9178803c@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210704302005g67a40eedgd45ee0e53d707eae@mail.gmail.com>
	<B4022237-7150-4227-9518-A4D768CDCD19@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705010732y6b090763le1d40a3d2e3e2716@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705011307s5a54ff7ei77807d888e0431ae@mail.gmail.com>
	<D2449B89-BFCE-411E-8262-16E30C7E3636@scarlet.be>
	<7aa52a210705011906n54596c1eoe3b253bd688be55a@mail.gmail.com>
	<7732ED00-86AA-464E-9B7F-56224C26F01B@looktowindward.com>
	<1582D063-F815-4DC7-9AA8-B1EC6A2CCA7F@economy-x-talk.com>
	<FE1C0A79-9C82-488D-9DAA-3AB66AC20CEB@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <574E17AF-6716-4755-B751-F5670E0C70EA@economy-x-talk.com>

Yes, sorry Ian, it came to mind during lunch...

Mark

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Op 2-mei-2007, om 13:33 heeft Ian Wood het volgende geschreven:

> Change "char 1 of the version" to "char 1 of the systemversion" and  
> it works fine.
>
> Ian



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed May  2 08:03:21 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 14:03:21 +0200
Subject: Location  -3200,-3200
In-Reply-To: <F8EE0BBA-44B9-4D0F-8F88-E40165EDE60F@looktowindward.com>
References: <9277A695-ED11-4410-9A5F-76C84FD70739@ezpzapps.com>
	<F8EE0BBA-44B9-4D0F-8F88-E40165EDE60F@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <FB3800C0-E2C9-4345-8461-C8B9D2EBC469@ezpzapps.com>


On May 2, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Dave wrote:

> Does the stack use the Geometry Manager? If so, it sometimes goes  
> Beswick and sets the location way off the visible screen.
>
> All the Best
> Dave

Thanks Dave, it turned out to be 'doing a save when I had a component  
in the
Task Bar'.  I stay away from the Geo manager completely!

Thanks for the reply.


Jim Sims
Custom Software Development
www.EZPZapps.com




From runrev at aboutmyfiles.com  Wed May  2 08:15:59 2007
From: runrev at aboutmyfiles.com (Mark E. Powell)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 12:15:59 +0000
Subject: Hidden 'Application Data' folder on XP
Message-ID: <W804011700161951178108159@webmail1>

Using the altsplash auto-load architecture, I have one user for whom the loader hangs.  His specialFolderPath(35) returns as

C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data

but he says he has no such folder, which leads me guess is that it is hidden and that its invisibility is preventing the write to or the read from the directory.

Is there something special I must do to make this directory usable if hidden?

Mark




From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May  2 08:26:24 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:26:24 +1000
Subject: Hidden 'Application Data' folder on XP
References: <W804011700161951178108159@webmail1>
Message-ID: <002f01c78cb5$1cdc7e50$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>


> Using the altsplash auto-load architecture, I have one user for whom the 
> loader hangs.  His specialFolderPath(35) returns as
>
> C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data
>
> but he says he has no such folder, which leads me guess is that it is 
> hidden and that its invisibility is preventing the write to or the read 
> from the directory.

Yup.  It's real and it is hidden - however if the user does not have Admin 
rights he can't write there.   He needs to write to a folder belonging to 
him.

C:/Documents and Settings/Your Users Name/Application Data.

> Is there something special I must do to make this directory usable if 
> hidden?

You could instruct the user to elevate himself to an admin - while that will 
work it may also be against any policies they are subject to and therefore 
rendering "security" useless which probably is not a good idea.

Scott Kane
"Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start
today and make a new ending." -- Maria Robinson 



From wjm at wjm.org  Wed May  2 07:34:26 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 07:34:26 -0400
Subject: can't reach Rev Beta Test Manager via e-mail
References: <381105.36033.qm@web60518.mail.yahoo.com>
	<4637044E.000005.02260@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <f19t03$90b$1@sea.gmane.org>

Viktoras,

> A few days (25 04 2007) ago I have sent my feedback on top 5 problems of 
> the
> latest Revolution beta release. Today (01 05 2007) I found the following
> message in my inbox :

[failure report]

> Is there another way to submit the top 5? The bugs are already submitted 
> to
> quality center.

I've been getting plenty of email so this may be a temporary  problem, or 
something solvable at least. Don't worry there's still time to get your 
request in to me.

Please try to re-send to bill.marriott(at)runrev.com and if this fails, you 
may write to me at wjm(at)wjm.org.

- Bill 





From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed May  2 08:50:17 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 15:50:17 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: can't reach Rev Beta Test Manager via e-mail
References: <f19t03$90b$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <46388908.000001.03416@MAZYTIS>

Hi Bill, 
 
I have already re-sent my feedback this morning (09:08) to both addresses.
May it be that both are still undelivered ?.. Once I had similar no-delivery
problems when our "national" ISP servers were blacklisted by AOL. In case
you have not yet received them I will try to resend these later today from
my other mailing account. 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras 
 
 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Bill Marriott 
Date: 02/05/2007 15:33:27 
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com 
Subject: Re: can't reach Rev Beta Test Manager via e-mail 
 
Viktoras, 
 
> A few days (25 04 2007) ago I have sent my feedback on top 5 problems of 
> the 
> latest Revolution beta release. Today (01 05 2007) I found the following 
> message in my inbox : 
 
[failure report] 
 
> Is there another way to submit the top 5? The bugs are already submitted 
> to 
> quality center. 
 
I've been getting plenty of email so this may be a temporary problem, or 
something solvable at least. Don't worry there's still time to get your 
request in to me. 
 
Please try to re-send to bill.marriott(at)runrev.com and if this fails, you 
may write to me at wjm(at)wjm.org. 
 
- Bill 
 
 
 
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed May  2 10:02:05 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 07:02:05 -0700
Subject: extra mousedown messages
In-Reply-To: <A56B0677-C545-403F-ACB7-CF73F52CFDA7@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <C25DE7ED.249F2%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Wouter wrote:

> Having had some problems caused by extra messages generated in
> certain cases, I started hunting them down.

Just for the sake of argument, have you tried paring the mouseDown handlers
with empty mouseUp/doubleMouseUp handlers?  In my scripts, I've found that
triggering mouseDoubleDown and mouseDoubleUp is sometimes unreliable if the
down state is not paired with the up state.  Perhaps this is part of the
issue you appear to have found.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed May  2 10:04:09 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:04:09 -0500
Subject: XML Tree and spaces
In-Reply-To: <019901c78caa$da8337b0$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
References: <019901c78caa$da8337b0$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
Message-ID: <20070502090409626729.e61439ae@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 2 May 2007 13:13:04 +0200, Nic Prioleau wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I posted a question regarding XML trees and spaces some while ago but 
> got no response so I thought I'd try again.
> 
> If I create an xml tree and I have spaces in one of the node values, 
> it will only show the first part of the value before the space. Is 
> there anything anyone can tell me here? Am I not allowed to use 
> spaces here? It would seem a bit limiting if I did?!

Can you provide an example of what you mean?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed May  2 10:07:30 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:07:30 -0500
Subject: Hidden 'Application Data' folder on XP
In-Reply-To: <002f01c78cb5$1cdc7e50$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <W804011700161951178108159@webmail1>
	<002f01c78cb5$1cdc7e50$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <20070502090730240316.5e3a925f@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 2 May 2007 22:26:24 +1000, Scott Kane wrote:

> 
>> Using the altsplash auto-load architecture, I have one user for whom 
>> the loader hangs.  His specialFolderPath(35) returns as
>> 
>> C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data
>> 
>> but he says he has no such folder, which leads me guess is that it 
>> is hidden and that its invisibility is preventing the write to or 
>> the read from the directory.
> 
> Yup.  It's real and it is hidden - however if the user does not have 
> Admin rights he can't write there.   He needs to write to a folder 
> belonging to him.
> 
> C:/Documents and Settings/Your Users Name/Application Data.

BTW, that's specialFolderPath(26).


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed May  2 10:09:38 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:09:38 -0500
Subject: extra mousedown messages
In-Reply-To: <A56B0677-C545-403F-ACB7-CF73F52CFDA7@scarlet.be>
References: <A56B0677-C545-403F-ACB7-CF73F52CFDA7@scarlet.be>
Message-ID: <20070502090938456465.c990b724@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 2 May 2007 11:15:21 +0200, Wouter wrote:

> 
> in rev 2.1:
> mousedown button "Button 1" 1178096229057
> mousedoubledown button "Button 1" 1178096229203
> mousedoubledown card id 1002 1178096229208
> --> mouse released : no further messages
> 
> in rev 2.5.1:
> mousedown button "Button" 1178096730853
> mousedoubledown button "Button" 1178096731000
> mousedoubledown card id 1002 1178096731013
> --> mouse released -->
> mousedown button "Button" 1178096731733
> 
> in rev 2.8.1
> mousedown button "Button" 1178096881969
> mousedoubledown button "Button" 1178096882131
> mousedoubledown card id 1002 1178096882145
> --> mouse released -->
> mousedown button "Button" 1178096883161
> 
> Question: is this considered normal behavior?

I wouldn't think so... having a mouseDown generated when the mouse is 
released sounds like a bug to me. Looks like the "Rev 2.1" did it right 
IMHO...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed May  2 10:18:34 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 07:18:34 -0700
Subject: PowerPC vs Intel External Modules
In-Reply-To: <F9FA0ED3-F5B6-4DC9-B792-5DD81FB196BF@looktowindward.com>
References: <004401c78c0e$55a02d60$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<F9FA0ED3-F5B6-4DC9-B792-5DD81FB196BF@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <157316405967.20070502071834@ahsoftware.net>

Dave-

Tuesday, May 1, 2007, 10:57:44 AM, you wrote:

> I have an Application that uses an External Module. The External is
> compiled for PowerPC and Intel Mac's. Is there a way of determining
> which file is loaded from the RunRev Stack?

Assuming you have different files for these, you might try setting
Xname to a different string in each and then querying the
externalPackages.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From henk at iglow-media.nl  Wed May  2 10:41:28 2007
From: henk at iglow-media.nl (Henk van der Velden)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:41:28 +0200
Subject: XML Tree and spaces
In-Reply-To: <20070502120019.B3970488F50@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070502120019.B3970488F50@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <65DE5B7F-D5A2-40C3-BA87-11E485BEDDCC@iglow-media.nl>

Hi Nic,

have you taken a look at Sarah's XMLDemo (http://www.troz.net/Rev/ 
tutorials.php)?

An XML node can contain spaces for sure.
What exactly do you do to display the value of a node?

Kind regards,

Henk
--------------------------
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iGlow Media
Magda Janssenslaan 36
3584 GR  UTRECHT
Netherlands

0031 (0)6 16 024 337
www.iglow-media.nl



On 2-mei-2007, at 14:00, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> I posted a question regarding XML trees and spaces some while ago  
> but got no response so I thought I'd try again.
>
> If I create an xml tree and I have spaces in one of the node  
> values, it will only show the first part of the value before the  
> space. Is there anything anyone can tell me here? Am I not allowed  
> to use spaces here? It would seem a bit limiting if I did?!



From rpresender at cox.net  Wed May  2 11:46:23 2007
From: rpresender at cox.net (Robert Presender)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 08:46:23 -0700
Subject: is a date broke
In-Reply-To: <20070502120020.AE1F4488F6C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070502120020.AE1F4488F6C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6530008cacf1b061c8f62ab3555e2138@cox.net>


On May 2, 2007, at 5:00 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> How come when you put in the msg box:
>
> put "01/01/01 are you kidding me" is a date
>
> you get true? Am I missing something?
> How do you validate a date entry?

Hi Chipp,

Using Mac 10.3.9, Rev 2.8.1- dp-2/3, Note: dp-1 only allows a 2 
numbered year: 07

Don't know if something like this is what you are looking for.
I use it in a closeField for a field that just contains a date: 
01/01/2007
If 13/42/2007 is entered, the answer dialog is shown. "is not a date 
works"

on cDateFormat pfldName
   set the itemDel to "/"
   put fld pfldName into hold
   if the num of chars of hold <>10 or hold is not a date or the num of 
chars of item 3 of hold is not 4 then
     answer information "Invalid date format. Please enter date in 
mm/dd/yyyy format." titled "Invalid format"
     select text of fld pfldName
     EXIT TO TOP
   end if
end cDateFormat

Regards ... Bob



From jc at spl21.net  Wed May  2 12:44:21 2007
From: jc at spl21.net (John Craig)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 17:44:21 +0100
Subject: Connecting Rev 2.6.1 to MySQL
Message-ID: <4638BFE5.3000709@spl21.net>

Hi, all.  I've tried connecting Rev. 2.6.1/Linux to MySQL 3.23.58 and 
MySQL 4.1.13, but always get the 'invalid database type' error returned.
When trying with a standalone, I get;

 'Failed to load dbMySQL.so error dbMySQL.so: cannot open shared object 
file: No such file or directory'
Rev can't seem to locate the library file where ever I put it.

I've tried using revSetDatabaseDriverPath, checked the permissions, 
copied the .so file to various locations and changed the file name to 
match the case in the error message, but still no joy.  I had a look 
through the list archives for an answer, but nothing has worked so far.  
Any tips appreciated.

JC


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Wed May  2 12:51:42 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:51:42 +0100 (BST)
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
Message-ID: <28529.82897.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If I were to run a video source (e.g. a webcam) in
throogh the USB port of a Printerserver would I then
be able to set a videoClipPlayer to the IP Address of
the printer server, and therefore stream video from an
external source through a RunRev stack?

Probably reinvented the wheel?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Wed May  2 12:57:36 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:57:36 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Importing Digital Video via Firewire?
Message-ID: <20070502165736.85426.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dug out a tatty old video-camera that had been rotting
under the bed and jacked it into the Mac via a Miglia
"Director's Cut" Digitizer Box that was similarly
gathering dust after a patch of DVD-ing lost of
drunken Scots weddings. Managed to fool Skype into
accepting the video signal.

Now, what about RunRev?

[this might be interpreted as a desperate plea by a
mean Scot who, after his last bright idea, doesn't
want to go out and buy a USB webcam]

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Wed May  2 12:58:30 2007
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:58:30 +0200
Subject: XML Tree and spaces
In-Reply-To: <20070502120019.B3970488F50@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070502120019.B3970488F50@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <684560DB-5BF6-465F-A6BF-5B9C29CEC20D@net2000.ch>

Hello Nic,

Of course you'll get an answer but please, give an exemple of the xml  
data and node content you have problem with and the function you use  
to retrieve its content. Neither in my own use of xml nor by using  
the Sarah's XML Demo stack (http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials/ 
XMLdemo1.rev.gz)for a rapid check, I was able to reproduce the  
behavior your mentionned. So please, be more precise...

Joel


Le 2 mai 07 ? 14:00, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com a ?crit :

>
> De : "Nic Prioleau" <nickp at didata.bw>
> [...]
> If I create an xml tree and I have spaces in one of the node  
> values, it will only show the first part of the value before the  
> space. Is there anything anyone can tell me here? Am I not allowed  
> to use spaces here? It would seem a bit limiting if I did?!
> [...]



From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Wed May  2 14:15:01 2007
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 11:15:01 -0700
Subject: special folders
In-Reply-To: <20070502170007.5E7EF489016@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070502170007.5E7EF489016@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4638D525.4070806@castandcrew.com>

Greetings,

After reading the post below about the admin issues possible with 
specialFolderPath, I'd like to hear anyone expound on the justification 
for the use of 'special folders', if we have any pontiffs out there who 
advocate it.  Must be a good reason for it, yes?  Anyone care to 
enlighten me?  It's basically curiosity so feel free to ignore me also.

For example, in our case, we are providing a download of an executable 
for windows users which installs as normal in the program files 
directory. (Mac version, not sure where it goes).  However, a separate 
stack that can be written to is obscurely (some might say) squirreled 
away in a special folder - which turns out to be different on different 
versions of windoz.  For example, its under all users/application data 
(or something like that) on XP home and pro, and something like 
c:/ProgramData on Vista basic (at least mine).  The mac I'm not sure.  
Our code has a case statement to detect the type of OS and pick the 
right special folder. 

Why wouldn't we just put this stack in the same folder where we install 
the executable?

Wise ones, tell all!

Mahalo
Sadhu




>
>  
>
>>Using the altsplash auto-load architecture, I have one user for whom the 
>>loader hangs.  His specialFolderPath(35) returns as
>>
>>C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data
>>
>>but he says he has no such folder, which leads me guess is that it is 
>>hidden and that its invisibility is preventing the write to or the read 
>>from the directory.
>>    
>>
>
>Yup.  It's real and it is hidden - however if the user does not have Admin 
>rights he can't write there.   He needs to write to a folder belonging to 
>him.
>
>C:/Documents and Settings/Your Users Name/Application Data.
>
>  
>
>>Is there something special I must do to make this directory usable if 
>>hidden?
>>    
>>
>
>You could instruct the user to elevate himself to an admin - while that will 
>work it may also be against any policies they are subject to and therefore 
>rendering "security" useless which probably is not a good idea.
>
>Scott Kane
>"Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start
>today and make a new ending." -- Maria Robinson 
>
>
>  
>
>  
>


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Wed May  2 14:31:47 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 13:31:47 -0500
Subject: special folders
In-Reply-To: <4638D525.4070806@castandcrew.com>
References: <20070502170007.5E7EF489016@mail.runrev.com>
	<4638D525.4070806@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <4638D913.3050607@siboneylg.com>

Hello Sadhu,

The user folder is a common place for applications to install files.  
Users should have read/write access to it.  That may not be true for the 
rest of the local hard drive.  Schools, in particular, like to lock 
things down.  Using the user's application data folder lets 
administrators limit rights to the rest of the drive.

On the Mac, certain things are expected to go to certain places, like 
preferences.  The special folders allow you to get that folder.  In some 
cases, the folder might be on a network drive, allowing a person to log 
into any Mac and have all there settings.

I hope this helps.

Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> After reading the post below about the admin issues possible with 
> specialFolderPath, I'd like to hear anyone expound on the 
> justification for the use of 'special folders', if we have any 
> pontiffs out there who advocate it.  Must be a good reason for it, 
> yes?  Anyone care to enlighten me?  It's basically curiosity so feel 
> free to ignore me also.
>
> For example, in our case, we are providing a download of an executable 
> for windows users which installs as normal in the program files 
> directory. (Mac version, not sure where it goes).  However, a separate 
> stack that can be written to is obscurely (some might say) squirreled 
> away in a special folder - which turns out to be different on 
> different versions of windoz.  For example, its under all 
> users/application data (or something like that) on XP home and pro, 
> and something like c:/ProgramData on Vista basic (at least mine).  The 
> mac I'm not sure.  Our code has a case statement to detect the type of 
> OS and pick the right special folder.
> Why wouldn't we just put this stack in the same folder where we 
> install the executable?
>
> Wise ones, tell all!
>
> Mahalo
> Sadhu
>
>
>
>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Using the altsplash auto-load architecture, I have one user for whom 
>>> the loader hangs.  His specialFolderPath(35) returns as
>>>
>>> C:/Documents and Settings/All Users/Application Data
>>>
>>> but he says he has no such folder, which leads me guess is that it 
>>> is hidden and that its invisibility is preventing the write to or 
>>> the read from the directory.
>>>   
>>
>> Yup.  It's real and it is hidden - however if the user does not have 
>> Admin rights he can't write there.   He needs to write to a folder 
>> belonging to him.
>>
>> C:/Documents and Settings/Your Users Name/Application Data.
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Is there something special I must do to make this directory usable 
>>> if hidden?
>>>   
>>
>> You could instruct the user to elevate himself to an admin - while 
>> that will work it may also be against any policies they are subject 
>> to and therefore rendering "security" useless which probably is not a 
>> good idea.
>>
>> Scott Kane
>> "Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start
>> today and make a new ending." -- Maria Robinson
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed May  2 16:42:07 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 15:42:07 -0500
Subject: special folders
In-Reply-To: <4638D525.4070806@castandcrew.com>
References: <20070502170007.5E7EF489016@mail.runrev.com>
	<4638D525.4070806@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <20070502154207338432.60c3b322@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 02 May 2007 11:15:01 -0700, Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:

> For example, in our case, we are providing a download of an 
> executable for windows users which installs as normal in the program 
> files directory. (Mac version, not sure where it goes).  However, a 
> separate stack that can be written to is obscurely (some might say) 
> squirreled away in a special folder - which turns out to be different 
> on different versions of windoz.  For example, its under all 
> users/application data (or something like that) on XP home and pro, 
> and something like c:/ProgramData on Vista basic (at least mine).  
> The mac I'm not sure.  Our code has a case statement to detect the 
> type of OS and pick the right special folder. 
> Why wouldn't we just put this stack in the same folder where we 
> install the executable?

Well, basically the issue is one of access rights; in a "personal" 
installation of Mac OS X or Windows, usually since there's only one 
user, it's likely that they will either be granted or grant themselves 
administration rights. In this case, it doesn't matter where you 
install the stack, since they'll have access anywhere.

However, in a "corporate" installation of Mac OS X or Windows, users 
are generally granted more limited rights (can only read files from 
certain directories, etc.). This becomes even more pronounced in Vista, 
btw. So if you installed a stack in the Program Files folder right next 
to the executable in Windows, and the user had limited rights, it is 
very likely that any changes made to that stack could not be saved 
(since the files would be read-only for that user).

There are a lot more examples, but you get the idea. So to develop for 
the widest possible distribution, you want to accommodate users of all 
levels, so the guidelines say that you should:

- Put the executable file in the Applications/Program Files/etc. folder
- Put files that the application uses, that usually won't be modified 
or need to be accessed by multiple users, and likely should not be seen 
(or not seen very often) by end users in an Application 
Support/Application Data/etc. folder
- Put files that *do* change, are user-specific, or hold user-generated 
data in the user's Documents/My Documents folder

It is therefore useful to use the specialFolderPath() function instead 
of hardcoding paths - especially when it comes to other languages. 
Although I don't know this for sure, it wouldn't surprise me to find 
out that certain folders are named differently in other localized OSes. 

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed May  2 17:12:44 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:12:44 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <28529.82897.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <28529.82897.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1575B37D-B7A3-4386-BE62-46DE2DAF3D49@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Worth a try just for the fun factor!
But I doubt you'd get anything out of it, as the print server would  
be expecting data in a different format to that being output by the  
webcam.


Cheers,

Luis.



On 2 May 2007, at 17:51, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> If I were to run a video source (e.g. a webcam) in
> throogh the USB port of a Printerserver would I then
> be able to set a videoClipPlayer to the IP Address of
> the printer server, and therefore stream video from an
> external source through a RunRev stack?
>
> Probably reinvented the wheel?
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May  2 17:29:46 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 14:29:46 -0700
Subject: special folders
Message-ID: <463902CA.2020106@fourthworld.com>

Ken Ray wrote:
> It is therefore useful to use the specialFolderPath() function instead 
> of hardcoding paths - especially when it comes to other languages. 
> Although I don't know this for sure, it wouldn't surprise me to find 
> out that certain folders are named differently in other localized OSes. 

One more reason:  things change.

For example, specialFolderPath(26) works great on both XP and Vista, but 
returns different values.  Woe be to the developer using hard-coded 
paths....


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed May  2 17:34:45 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:34:45 -0500
Subject: is a date broke
In-Reply-To: <6530008cacf1b061c8f62ab3555e2138@cox.net>
References: <20070502120020.AE1F4488F6C@mail.runrev.com>
	<6530008cacf1b061c8f62ab3555e2138@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705021434g19d76357t87ec6fc52030927@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bob,

That'll do! Hope all is well in LV.

-c


From runrev at aboutmyfiles.com  Wed May  2 17:50:27 2007
From: runrev at aboutmyfiles.com (Mark E. Powell)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 21:50:27 +0000
Subject: special folders
Message-ID: <W4225714429294001178142627@webmail17>

Two follow-ups...

-1-  Is it then an absolute that specialFolderPath(26) is writeable on Windows, regardless of personal vs. corporate configuration?  Even if the user has 'hide system folders' on?

-2-  Does the ability to download a file to a particular folder not also mean that that folder is writeable?  For example, in the two-part autoloader architecture, if the user places the loader is put into folder x, is it not guaranteed that I can write the operational stack to that same folder?

Mark




From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Wed May  2 17:58:09 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:58:09 -0500
Subject: special folders
In-Reply-To: <W4225714429294001178142627@webmail17>
References: <W4225714429294001178142627@webmail17>
Message-ID: <46390971.3080505@siboneylg.com>

I don't think even 1 is true.  It is possible for administrators to lock 
even that folder.

If they can download a file to a particular folder, that would indicate 
it is writable.  I assume that the autoloader would need to stick 
around.   There are software packages that lock everything down and roll 
things back to a starting state when a user logs out (with the option of 
preserving some folders/files).

Mark E. Powell wrote:
> Two follow-ups...
>
> -1-  Is it then an absolute that specialFolderPath(26) is writeable on Windows, regardless of personal vs. corporate configuration?  Even if the user has 'hide system folders' on?
>
> -2-  Does the ability to download a file to a particular folder not also mean that that folder is writeable?  For example, in the two-part autoloader architecture, if the user places the loader is put into folder x, is it not guaranteed that I can write the operational stack to that same folder?
>
> Mark
>
>
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed May  2 19:21:48 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 16:21:48 -0700
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
Message-ID: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com>

Anyone crashing on OS 10.4.9 with Rev 2.8.1 dp4 near the end of  
building a standalone?

I posted bug: <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi? 
id=4831> if you have any additional comments.



Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May  2 19:38:01 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 18:38:01 -0500
Subject: special folders
In-Reply-To: <20070502154207338432.60c3b322@sonsothunder.com>
References: <20070502170007.5E7EF489016@mail.runrev.com>	<4638D525.4070806@castandcrew.com>
	<20070502154207338432.60c3b322@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <463920D9.1040502@hyperactivesw.com>

Ken Ray wrote:

> There are a lot more examples, but you get the idea. So to develop for 
> the widest possible distribution, you want to accommodate users of all 
> levels, so the guidelines say that you should:
> 
> - Put the executable file in the Applications/Program Files/etc. folder
> - Put files that the application uses, that usually won't be modified 
> or need to be accessed by multiple users, and likely should not be seen 
> (or not seen very often) by end users in an Application 
> Support/Application Data/etc. folder
> - Put files that *do* change, are user-specific, or hold user-generated 
> data in the user's Documents/My Documents folder

Where would you put a file that the app itself needs to update, 
regardless of which user is running it? I've been putting that file into 
an "all users/application data/myapp/" folder but if there are 
permissions problems with that, what then?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Wed May  2 19:41:12 2007
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:41:12 -0600
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
In-Reply-To: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com>
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0705021641x6465c302g7519663a873d8ddf@mail.gmail.com>

dp4?  2.8.1 dp3 has apparently expired today, did they already release the
next one?  I don't think I have received that email yet.

  TTFN
    Bridger Maxwell

On 5/2/07, Mark Talluto <userev at canelasoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone crashing on OS 10.4.9 with Rev 2.8.1 dp4 near the end of
> building a standalone?
>
> I posted bug: <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?
> id=4831> if you have any additional comments.
>
>
>
> Mark Talluto
> --
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> http://www.canelasoftware.com
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May  2 19:48:44 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:48:44 -0700
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
In-Reply-To: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com>
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <E5308750-8832-47D3-AE66-41AF13E8B3ED@cox.net>

Mark,

I'm not working with a beta, but 2.8.0 the latest release, and was  
having an error in attempting to build a standalone. I've reverted  
back to an earlier copy and started rebuilding the stack, and it  
seems to be working again; though now I'm having a problem creating a  
path for my external files. They are in a folder in the same folder  
as the .rev stack and the Add Files... button doesn't give me the  
complete path. Instead of "/Application/Revolution Studio/MusicFolder/ 
Music1.aiff", I'm just getting "/MusicFolder/Music1.aiff". The  
players are set up with the source for the longer path; but more  
insidiously yet, the following occurs "constantly": 
-------------- next part --------------
  I change the number back to 8 (or the current one what ever it  
might be), save and before I know it, it has reverted back to the  
next number. I'm pulling my hair out trying to get this bugggger to  
stay fixed. This is definitely a bug. And it happens time and time  
again.

Joe Wilkins

On May 2, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:

> Anyone crashing on OS 10.4.9 with Rev 2.8.1 dp4 near the end of  
> building a standalone?
>
> I posted bug: <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi? 
> id=4831> if you have any additional comments.
>
>
>
> Mark Talluto
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From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Wed May  2 19:50:41 2007
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:50:41 -0600
Subject: Sortable Table Field
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0705021650m864df52we0ae6f0b5f1ee2f2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
  Has anyone made a sortable table field (like in iTunes, where you can sort
it by name, artist, etc.) and knows how to easily make one.  The
functionality shouldn't be too hard to program, I just want to make sure it
looks right.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

  TTFN
    Bridger Maxwell
    www.FieryFerret.com


From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May  2 19:59:02 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 16:59:02 -0700
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
In-Reply-To: <E5308750-8832-47D3-AE66-41AF13E8B3ED@cox.net>
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com>
	<E5308750-8832-47D3-AE66-41AF13E8B3ED@cox.net>
Message-ID: <DD590BC8-FFE4-467B-A09D-6B34AB43C75D@cox.net>

I had pasted a very small picture into my last email and it was  
deleted before being posted, so what I said won't make much sense.  
I'm coming very close to giving this whole thing up as a lost cause.  
I thought we had a finely tuned tool when I got into this. I should  
have lurked on this list for a bit longer, I guess.

Joe Wilkins

On May 2, 2007, at 4:48 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Mark,
>
> I'm not working with a beta, but 2.8.0 the latest release, and was  
> having an error in attempting to build a standalone. I've reverted  
> back to an earlier copy and started rebuilding the stack, and it  
> seems to be working again; though now I'm having a problem creating  
> a path for my external files. They are in a folder in the same  
> folder as the .rev stack and the Add Files... button doesn't give  
> me the complete path. Instead of "/Application/Revolution Studio/ 
> MusicFolder/Music1.aiff", I'm just getting "/MusicFolder/ 
> Music1.aiff". The players are set up with the source for the longer  
> path; but more insidiously yet, the following occurs "constantly":  
> I change the number back to 8 (or the current one what ever it  
> might be), save and before I know it, it has reverted back to the  
> next number. I'm pulling my hair out trying to get this bugggger to  
> stay fixed. This is definitely a bug. And it happens time and time  
> again.
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On May 2, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:
>
>> Anyone crashing on OS 10.4.9 with Rev 2.8.1 dp4 near the end of  
>> building a standalone?
>>
>> I posted bug: <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi? 
>> id=4831> if you have any additional comments.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark Talluto
>> -- 
>> CANELA Software
>> http://www.canelasoftware.com
>>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed May  2 20:10:17 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 17:10:17 -0700
Subject: special folders
In-Reply-To: <463902CA.2020106@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C25E7679.45A5C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 5/2/07 2:29 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Ken Ray wrote:
>> It is therefore useful to use the specialFolderPath() function instead
>> of hardcoding paths - especially when it comes to other languages.
>> Although I don't know this for sure, it wouldn't surprise me to find
>> out that certain folders are named differently in other localized OSes.
> 
> One more reason:  things change.
> 
> For example, specialFolderPath(26) works great on both XP and Vista, but
> returns different values.  Woe be to the developer using hard-coded
> paths....
> 
Does this mean that you should be using something like

repeat with x = 20 to 30
   if (specialFolderPath(x) & "/") contains  "/theFolderIwant/" then
      put x into kaching
      exit repeat
   end if
end repeat
put specialFolderPath(kaching) into fullPathThatIwant

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed May  2 20:34:03 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:34:03 +1000
Subject: Sortable Table Field
In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0705021650m864df52we0ae6f0b5f1ee2f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86ae76bb0705021650m864df52we0ae6f0b5f1ee2f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705021734v58e0f0dch2aee11be42a0194b@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/3/07, Bridger Maxwell <bridgeyman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>   Has anyone made a sortable table field (like in iTunes, where you can sort
> it by name, artist, etc.) and knows how to easily make one.  The
> functionality shouldn't be too hard to program, I just want to make sure it
> looks right.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>

Check the Altuit web site. Chipp has a great plugin called
altFldHeader (or something similar) which gives you resizable column
headers which can be clicked to do whatever you want.

Cheers,
Sarah


From wjm at wjm.org  Wed May  2 20:34:41 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:34:41 -0400
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com>
	<86ae76bb0705021641x6465c302g7519663a873d8ddf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f1ban3$tmd$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi Bridger,

> did they already release the
> next one?  I don't think I have received that email yet.

Takes a while for the emails to reach everyone. If this message reaches you 
before the "official" one does, you can get the new beta by replacing the 
"5" in the previous download link with a "6" ...

- Bill 





From wjm at wjm.org  Wed May  2 20:45:33 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:45:33 -0400
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com><E5308750-8832-47D3-AE66-41AF13E8B3ED@cox.net>
	<DD590BC8-FFE4-467B-A09D-6B34AB43C75D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <f1bbbf$v26$1@sea.gmane.org>

Joe,

>I had pasted a very small picture into my last email and it was  deleted 
>before being posted, so what I said won't make much sense.  I'm coming very 
>close to giving this whole thing up as a lost cause.

Almost all mailing lists do not allow attached files. I think that extremely 
small attachments actually do have a chance of making it through on this 
one, but the "best practices" for mailing list discussions in general are 
that you link to your image after uploading it to a web server. Alternately, 
you can post a bug in the Quality Control Center, attach an image to that, 
and link to the bug report here. Another option is to use the web-based 
RunRev forums, which allow image attachments.

>> I'm not working with a beta, but 2.8.0 the latest release, and was 
>> having an error in attempting to build a standalone. I've reverted  back 
>> to an earlier copy and started rebuilding the stack, and it  seems to be 
>> working again; though now I'm having a problem creating  a path for my 
>> external files.

I notice that you are not on the Rev Open Beta distribution list. This is a 
very useful way to see how the software is progressing and to make sure 
you're up-to-speed on any changes before they reach retail production. (Of 
course there is the change you'll encounter new bugs, as well.) Since the 
retail release of 2.8.0, we've already fixed more than 100 problems. I 
invite you to apply at:

http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php

The reason why this particular beta test initiative is so important is that 
Rev is preparing version 2.9, which it will release as a no-cost update to 
everyone who purchased/had a maintenance agreement on or after February 1, 
2006. The goal is to have the best-performing, most-robust release of 
Revolution ever. Joining the beta test and reporting the issues you 
encounter is the best way to ensure those can be addressed.

- Bill 





From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May  2 21:14:39 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:14:39 -0700
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
In-Reply-To: <f1bbbf$v26$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com><E5308750-8832-47D3-AE66-41AF13E8B3ED@cox.net>
	<DD590BC8-FFE4-467B-A09D-6B34AB43C75D@cox.net>
	<f1bbbf$v26$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4E31F9DC-935F-481D-9740-1BC034FA751D@cox.net>

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the invite. I've participated in a couple of beta testing  
programs before, but they had to do with graphics glitches. I'm not  
sure I have the patience to endure RR's beta procedure. When I  
reported a bug, they knew it was a bug and they acted on it, almost  
immediately. Here it appears you have a fairly complicated process  
that even necessitates "voting". Maybe it works for RR, but it seems  
a bit much. Add to that the fact that I doubt you'd care to see the  
volume of reports I'd probably pass along. I am VERY, VERY picky!

However, I do think that it would be a great idea to occasionally  
publish a list of the known bugs so that we don't bat our heads,  
fruitlessly, against stone walls. I can see that this might not be  
something that RR would care to have circulated so publicly, though  
the competitors  who might take advantage of that knowledge do not  
seem to be very extensive.

Thanks,

Joe Wilkins

On May 2, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:

> Joe,
> <snip>
> I notice that you are not on the Rev Open Beta distribution list.  
> This is a
> very useful way to see how the software is progressing and to make  
> sure
> you're up-to-speed on any changes before they reach retail  
> production. (Of
> course there is the change you'll encounter new bugs, as well.)  
> Since the
> retail release of 2.8.0, we've already fixed more than 100 problems. I
> invite you to apply at:
>
> http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php
>
> The reason why this particular beta test initiative is so important  
> is that
> Rev is preparing version 2.9, which it will release as a no-cost  
> update to
> everyone who purchased/had a maintenance agreement on or after  
> February 1,
> 2006. The goal is to have the best-performing, most-robust release of
> Revolution ever. Joining the beta test and reporting the issues you
> encounter is the best way to ensure those can be addressed.


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed May  2 21:55:54 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:55:54 -0700
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
In-Reply-To: <4E31F9DC-935F-481D-9740-1BC034FA751D@cox.net>
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com><E5308750-8832-47
	D3-AE66-41AF13E8B3ED@cox.net>
	<DD590BC8-FFE4-467B-A09D-6B34AB43C75D@cox.net>
	<f1bbbf$v26$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<4E31F9DC-935F-481D-9740-1BC034FA751D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <p06240800c25ef0ee377f@[192.168.1.20]>

Joe, this is your moment to SHINE. You've seen Bill Marriot's pleas 
to 'Bring It On" these last few weeks...

'volume of reports' would be good!


>RR, but it seems a bit much. Add to that the fact that I doubt you'd 
>care to see the volume of reports I'd probably pass along. I am 
>VERY, VERY picky!
>
>Joe Wilkins
>
>On May 2, 2007, at 5:45 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May  2 22:06:40 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 21:06:40 -0500
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
In-Reply-To: <DD590BC8-FFE4-467B-A09D-6B34AB43C75D@cox.net>
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com>	<E5308750-8832-47D3-AE66-41AF13E8B3ED@cox.net>
	<DD590BC8-FFE4-467B-A09D-6B34AB43C75D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <463943B0.3050406@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> I had pasted a very small picture into my last email and it was
> deleted before being posted, so what I said won't make much sense.
> I'm coming very close to giving this whole thing up as a lost cause.
> I thought we had a finely tuned tool when I got into this. I should
> have lurked on this list for a bit longer, I guess.

You sound frustrated. If you can explain what you're trying to do, we
can probably help. A certain amount of transitional frustration is 
pretty normal, ask anybody here. ;)

> I'm not working with a beta, but 2.8.0 the latest release, and was
> having an error in attempting to build a standalone.

I remember that, but there wasn't enough info to diagnose it. Newer 
builds now include more progress information for diagnostics.

> I've reverted
> back to an earlier copy and started rebuilding the stack, and it
> seems to be working again; though now I'm having a problem creating a
> path for my external files. They are in a folder in the same folder
> as the .rev stack and the Add Files... button doesn't give me the
> complete path. Instead of "/Application/Revolution
> Studio/MusicFolder/Music1.aiff", I'm just getting
> "/MusicFolder/Music1.aiff". 

This is a relative path used by the Standalone Builder so it knows where 
to copy your files. You don't need to change what it says, it's correct. 
Rev can work with either full or relative paths. Your scripts don't 
depend on this path in any way, so no need to mess with it.

> The players are set up with the source for the longer path;

That's fine, a full path always works. You can use either full or 
relative paths, your preference. Since the "add file" path in the 
Standalone Builder isn't used by your stack, the scripts and objects can 
work with file paths in any way that's convenient.

> but more insidiously yet, the following occurs
> "constantly": I change the number back to 8 (or the current one what
> ever it might be), save and before I know it, it has reverted back to
> the next number. I'm pulling my hair out trying to get this bugggger
> to stay fixed. This is definitely a bug. And it happens time and time
> again.

Can you explain what the picture was about? What was the number that 
keeps changing, and under what circumstances?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May  2 22:31:01 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 19:31:01 -0700
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
In-Reply-To: <463943B0.3050406@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com>	<E5308750-8832-47D3-AE66-41AF13E8B3ED@cox.net>
	<DD590BC8-FFE4-467B-A09D-6B34AB43C75D@cox.net>
	<463943B0.3050406@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CE9310FC-2E74-4607-BB1D-3CC04898F800@cox.net>

Hi Jacque,

I'll take just one for example, but it happened to all of the player  
objects:
In the Inspector, the source for player 1 was initially indicated  
as: /Application/Revolution Studio/MusicFolder/Music1.aiff

But on subsequent openings of the Inspector, when things appeared not  
to be going right, the number would be changed from 1 to 2; sometimes  
from 2 to 3, depending on which player since there are a total of 9  
of them. I did all sorts of diddling around changing from player 1 to  
playerOne and the source to MusicOne.aiff and also changing the names  
of the external files. There appears to be a line problem in the  
listing of the sources for a sequence of player objects. A picture  
would have been worth a thousand words. Sometimes I'd have to change  
the numbers back to what they should be two or three times before  
they seemed to "stick"; but on opening them again, later on, they'd  
be screwed up again. Yes, real frustrating.

There is no question but that this is a bug.

With respect to the paths not being significant, I don't think that  
is true, but with all of this confusion it was hard to tell.

TIA,

Joe Wilkins

On May 2, 2007, at 7:06 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> <snip>

>> but more insidiously yet, the following occurs
>> "constantly": I change the number back to 8 (or the current one what
>> ever it might be), save and before I know it, it has reverted back to
>> the next number. I'm pulling my hair out trying to get this bugggger
>> to stay fixed. This is definitely a bug. And it happens time and time
>> again.
>
> Can you explain what the picture was about? What was the number  
> that keeps changing, and under what circumstances?



From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Wed May  2 22:39:37 2007
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:39:37 -0600
Subject: Sortable Table Field
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705021734v58e0f0dch2aee11be42a0194b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86ae76bb0705021650m864df52we0ae6f0b5f1ee2f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860705021734v58e0f0dch2aee11be42a0194b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0705021939h2fbe12c2j612b88f98a463022@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, you guys are amazing.  Thank you Sarah for the quick reply, and I would
also like to point a "thank you" to Altuit for all the great tools on the
site.  The Revolution community has saved me hours of time and frustration!

  Thank You,
     Bridger Maxwell
     www.FieryFerret.com

On 5/2/07, Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 5/3/07, Bridger Maxwell <bridgeyman at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >   Has anyone made a sortable table field (like in iTunes, where you can
> sort
> > it by name, artist, etc.) and knows how to easily make one.  The
> > functionality shouldn't be too hard to program, I just want to make sure
> it
> > looks right.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
>
> Check the Altuit web site. Chipp has a great plugin called
> altFldHeader (or something similar) which gives you resizable column
> headers which can be clicked to do whatever you want.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May  2 22:42:44 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 21:42:44 -0500
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
In-Reply-To: <CE9310FC-2E74-4607-BB1D-3CC04898F800@cox.net>
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com>	<E5308750-8832-47D3-AE66-41AF13E8B3ED@cox.net>	<DD590BC8-FFE4-467B-A09D-6B34AB43C75D@cox.net>	<463943B0.3050406@hyperactivesw.com>
	<CE9310FC-2E74-4607-BB1D-3CC04898F800@cox.net>
Message-ID: <46394C24.4040103@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Hi Jacque,
> 
> I'll take just one for example, but it happened to all of the player 
> objects:
> In the Inspector, the source for player 1 was initially indicated as: 
> /Application/Revolution Studio/MusicFolder/Music1.aiff
> 
> But on subsequent openings of the Inspector, when things appeared not to 
> be going right, the number would be changed from 1 to 2; sometimes from 
> 2 to 3, depending on which player since there are a total of 9 of them. 
> I did all sorts of diddling around changing from player 1 to playerOne 
> and the source to MusicOne.aiff and also changing the names of the 
> external files. There appears to be a line problem in the listing of the 
> sources for a sequence of player objects. A picture would have been 
> worth a thousand words. Sometimes I'd have to change the numbers back to 
> what they should be two or three times before they seemed to "stick"; 
> but on opening them again, later on, they'd be screwed up again. Yes, 
> real frustrating.
> 
> There is no question but that this is a bug.

Can you post the picture somewhere? If not, send it to me in email.

Also, do any of your scripts set the filepaths of the players? That 
would change their numbers.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From wjm at wjm.org  Wed May  2 22:51:53 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:51:53 -0400
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com><E5308750-8832-47D3-AE66-41AF13E8B3ED@cox.net><DD590BC8-FFE4-467B-A09D-6B34AB43C75D@cox.net><f1bbbf$v26$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<4E31F9DC-935F-481D-9740-1BC034FA751D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <f1biob$fp4$1@sea.gmane.org>

Joe,

The bug reporting procedure has improved dramatically over the past few 
months. It's currently as simple as I think it could possibly be, given a 
web-based interface.

- Voting -- a standard feature of the open-source Bugzilla software employed 
by thousands of other companies -- is not required. It's used primarily to 
prioritize feature requests and to eliminate the need for people to post "me 
too" comments or duplicate reports. Most bugs are addressed without being 
voted on at all.

- Volume of reports is not a problem. However, the most effective bug 
reports follow a format which includes a "recipe" (minimal steps required to 
reproduce a problem) and a succinct description of what is expected to 
happen vs. what actually happens. Reports are less effective when users just 
write up a couple sentences that says, "Oh, such-and-such is broken!" and 
don't supply details about what's happening. Or users who send us their 
entire 5MB stack expecting us to figure out what is going on amidst dozens 
of complicated handlers.

- Being picky is not a problem. You should expect the software to operate to 
a high standard of quality. Having said that, different people have 
different ideas of what the desired behavior should be, so if there's any 
question about it, be prepared to explain why a behavior is a bug.

- "Publishing" bug lists is either not necessary or already implemented 
(depending on your point of view), as the contents of the Quality Control 
Center are open to everyone, whether they have registered an account with it 
or not. You can simply do a "power search" to list all unresolved issues or 
do a simple keyword search to see if your issue has been reported already. 
Kudos to Revolution for being transparent about this aspect of the 
software/business.

- Participation in the Open Beta is completely separate from the ability to 
use or register with the QC Center. But it certainly makes things more 
interesting, and you often will receive new software (with big fixes, new 
features, and other improvements) months before the retail release.

- I'm not going to say that reporting a bug results in instantaneous fixes, 
but the situation is vastly improved from just a few months ago. The system 
is actively reviewed and bugs are generally responded to quickly. It's a 
direct channel to the engineering team. This is in contrast to the use-rev 
list, which is not actively monitored by programmers. The reason is simple. 
The Quality Control Center is more structured than a mailing list. You can 
categorize, track, and manage issues effectively and efficiently, so you 
have a decent shot at actually fixing them.

The Revolution Quality Control Center can be found at:

http://quality.runrev.com





From chipp at chipp.com  Wed May  2 23:03:48 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:03:48 -0500
Subject: Sortable Table Field
In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0705021939h2fbe12c2j612b88f98a463022@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86ae76bb0705021650m864df52we0ae6f0b5f1ee2f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860705021734v58e0f0dch2aee11be42a0194b@mail.gmail.com>
	<86ae76bb0705021939h2fbe12c2j612b88f98a463022@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705022003x93d9e70o3f4cdf36a3c791d5@mail.gmail.com>

Bridger,

Here's how you can use altFldHeader to sort your 'columns'.
altFldHeader has customProps for each column 'button'. One is called
"altEnableBtn" and if you want a column button to do something, you need to
set the altEnableBtn of the button to true.

Next, if you want to do something OTHER than an alphabetic sort, create a
custom prop for the button called "altSortType", then handle it in the
provided altFldHeaderSort script below.

First, edit the script of the altFldHeader group and insert the following
JUST BEFORE THE pass mouseUp:

  if the altEnableBtn of the target is true then
    altFldHeaderSort the long ID of me,the short name of the target
  end if

Next, drop this script into one of your libraries (or the stack script, or
even the group script if you wish). Edit the script to handle different
types of sorts. HTH, -Chipp

on altFldHeaderSort pWhichAltFldHeader,pWhichColumn
  --> SET pWhichColumn TO "" AND IT CLEARS THE HILITE COLOR
  --> CALLED FROM altFldHeader
  --> FIGURE OUT WHICH COLUMN
  repeat with tCol=1 to the number of buttons in pWhichAltFldHeader
    set the foreColor of button tCol of pWhichAltFldHeader to the effective
foreColor of pWhichAltFldHeader
    if the short name of button tCol of pWhichAltFldHeader is pWhichColumn
then
      put the altSortType of button tCol of pWhichAltFldHeader into
tSortType
      put the longID of button tCol of pWhichAltFldHeader into tBtnID
      set the foreColor of button tCol to blue
      put tCol into tColNum
    end if
  end repeat

  if pWhichColumn is "" then exit altFldHeaderSort
  --> YOU CAN HANDLE SORT TYPES BELOW
  if tSortType is "" then put "text" into tSortType

  put the altTargetField of pWhichAltFldHeader into tFld
  put the htmlText of fld tFld into tHtml
  replace "&#9;" with tab in tHtml
  set itemDel to tab
  put "sort lines of tHtml ascending " & tSortType & " by item " & tColNum &
" of each" into tDo
  do tDo
  replace tab with "&#9;" in tHtml
  set the htmlText of fld tFld to tHtml
end altFldHeaderSort


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed May  2 23:09:26 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:09:26 -0500
Subject: special folders
In-Reply-To: <463920D9.1040502@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20070502170007.5E7EF489016@mail.runrev.com>
	<4638D525.4070806@castandcrew.com>
	<20070502154207338432.60c3b322@sonsothunder.com>
	<463920D9.1040502@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20070502220926174957.7410f4db@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:38:01 -0500, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Ken Ray wrote:
> 
>> There are a lot more examples, but you get the idea. So to develop 
>> for the widest possible distribution, you want to accommodate users 
>> of all levels, so the guidelines say that you should:
>> 
>> - Put the executable file in the Applications/Program Files/etc. folder
>> - Put files that the application uses, that usually won't be 
>> modified or need to be accessed by multiple users, and likely should 
>> not be seen (or not seen very often) by end users in an Application 
>> Support/Application Data/etc. folder
>> - Put files that *do* change, are user-specific, or hold 
>> user-generated data in the user's Documents/My Documents folder
> 
> Where would you put a file that the app itself needs to update, 
> regardless of which user is running it? I've been putting that file 
> into an "all users/application data/myapp/" folder but if there are 
> permissions problems with that, what then?

Well, there's the rub - there isn't a simple answer. The problem is 
that for truly "locked down" users, the application itself would need 
to elevate its permissions to take actions that the currently logged-in 
user's permissions do not allow. OS X we can do with "sudo" and get 
authorization; Trevor just found a way to ask for authorization under 
Vista, but for other Windows flavors there isn't a solution for 
Revolution that's been made known.

What I've ended up needing to do is to request that Windows users get 
added to the "Power Users" group, which gives them some form of 
elevated access, but doesn't quite make them "Administrators". However 
some companies won't even allow that...

If I find out a way to do it, I'll make a tip out of it and let 
everyone know...

:-)
 
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May  2 23:12:23 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:12:23 -0700
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
In-Reply-To: <f1biob$fp4$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com><E5308750-8832-47D3-AE66-41AF13E8B3ED@cox.net><DD590BC8-FFE4-467B-A09D-6B34AB43C75D@cox.net><f1bbbf$v26$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<4E31F9DC-935F-481D-9740-1BC034FA751D@cox.net>
	<f1biob$fp4$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <5736A4ED-96A8-401C-BE80-252D2DE9FC94@cox.net>

Bill,

thanks for taking the time to explain this. I'm sure others  
monitoring this list will also benefit from your comments. The first  
time I used Rev, I told Heather, not knowing who else to tell, that a  
whole slew of pages are missing from the Documentation. This was back  
in 2.7.2 and they have yet to be added. Still missing. I've noted  
several others who have made the same observation, but no soup! That  
doesn't give much confidence in the RR process. These are important  
pages, too.

Joe Wilkins

On May 2, 2007, at 7:51 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:

> Joe,
>
> The bug reporting procedure has improved dramatically over the past  
> few
> months. It's currently as simple as I think it could possibly be,  
> given a
> web-based interface.

<snip>


From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May  2 23:48:21 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 20:48:21 -0700
Subject: Starting an iMac 24" with remote keyboard
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705022003x93d9e70o3f4cdf36a3c791d5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86ae76bb0705021650m864df52we0ae6f0b5f1ee2f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860705021734v58e0f0dch2aee11be42a0194b@mail.gmail.com>
	<86ae76bb0705021939h2fbe12c2j612b88f98a463022@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705022003x93d9e70o3f4cdf36a3c791d5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F7566E9-5774-4503-BB0E-B73BC56A483E@cox.net>

Hi all,

A friend of mine just switched to an iMac from a PC and he called me  
to find out how to turn it on. Since I've never even seen  one except  
on the screen, I haven't the foggiest. Any of you know where the  
button is? I searched the Apple site and they assume we know how. He  
left his manuals with the guy who was transferring all of his files  
from the PC. That person is not available.

TIA,

Joe Wilkins


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May  3 00:15:28 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 23:15:28 -0500
Subject: Starting an iMac 24" with remote keyboard
In-Reply-To: <4F7566E9-5774-4503-BB0E-B73BC56A483E@cox.net>
References: <86ae76bb0705021650m864df52we0ae6f0b5f1ee2f2@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52860705021734v58e0f0dch2aee11be42a0194b@mail.gmail.com>	<86ae76bb0705021939h2fbe12c2j612b88f98a463022@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210705022003x93d9e70o3f4cdf36a3c791d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7566E9-5774-4503-BB0E-B73BC56A483E@cox.net>
Message-ID: <463961E0.3020107@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> A friend of mine just switched to an iMac from a PC and he called me to 
> find out how to turn it on. Since I've never even seen  one except on 
> the screen, I haven't the foggiest. Any of you know where the button is? 
> I searched the Apple site and they assume we know how. He left his 
> manuals with the guy who was transferring all of his files from the PC. 
> That person is not available.

I can see you will have your work cut out for you. ;) It's a fair-sized 
white button on the lower back of the machine, with the universal power 
symbol on it (a circle with a vertical line sticking up from it.) 
Depending on the model of iMac, it is in one of the lower back corners.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May  3 00:17:31 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:17:31 +1000
Subject: Starting an iMac 24" with remote keyboard
In-Reply-To: <4F7566E9-5774-4503-BB0E-B73BC56A483E@cox.net>
References: <86ae76bb0705021650m864df52we0ae6f0b5f1ee2f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860705021734v58e0f0dch2aee11be42a0194b@mail.gmail.com>
	<86ae76bb0705021939h2fbe12c2j612b88f98a463022@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705022003x93d9e70o3f4cdf36a3c791d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7566E9-5774-4503-BB0E-B73BC56A483E@cox.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705022117x64405eacjec6764deaf596909@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/3/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> A friend of mine just switched to an iMac from a PC and he called me
> to find out how to turn it on. Since I've never even seen  one except
> on the screen, I haven't the foggiest. Any of you know where the
> button is? I searched the Apple site and they assume we know how. He
> left his manuals with the guy who was transferring all of his files
> from the PC. That person is not available.


LOL - there is a power button at the back of the screen, low down on
one side (the side varied with models so I can't be more specific than
that). It's a round button with the usual power indicator on it.

Cheers,
Sarah


From pepetoo at cox.net  Thu May  3 00:23:14 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:23:14 -0700
Subject: Starting an iMac 24" with remote keyboard
In-Reply-To: <463961E0.3020107@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <86ae76bb0705021650m864df52we0ae6f0b5f1ee2f2@mail.gmail.com>	<f99b52860705021734v58e0f0dch2aee11be42a0194b@mail.gmail.com>	<86ae76bb0705021939h2fbe12c2j612b88f98a463022@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210705022003x93d9e70o3f4cdf36a3c791d5@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F7566E9-5774-4503-BB0E-B73BC56A483E@cox.net>
	<463961E0.3020107@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E967EC5A-B3A1-48B2-826F-9C7B292406C0@cox.net>

Jacque, Sarah,

Thanks. I did finally find a Manual that showed where the button  
should be, though the manual is terrible. Tiny. Not one of Apple's  
finest hours. Anyway, I called him. Got his wife. She felt where I  
directed her and found it first time. You guys are priceless.

Joe Wilkins

On May 2, 2007, at 9:15 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> A friend of mine just switched to an iMac from a PC and he called  
>> me to find out how to turn it on. Since I've never even seen  one  
>> except on the screen, I haven't the foggiest. Any of you know  
>> where the button is? I searched the Apple site and they assume we  
>> know how. He left his manuals with the guy who was transferring  
>> all of his files from the PC. That person is not available.
>
> I can see you will have your work cut out for you. ;) It's a fair- 
> sized white button on the lower back of the machine, with the  
> universal power symbol on it (a circle with a vertical line  
> sticking up from it.) Depending on the model of iMac, it is in one  
> of the lower back corners.
>
> -- 
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From wjm at wjm.org  Thu May  3 00:41:25 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 00:41:25 -0400
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com><E5308750-8832-47D3-AE66-41AF13E8B3ED@cox.net><DD590BC8-FFE4-467B-A09D-6B34AB43C75D@cox.net><f1bbbf$v26$1@sea.gmane.org><4E31F9DC-935F-481D-9740-1BC034FA751D@cox.net><f1biob$fp4$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<5736A4ED-96A8-401C-BE80-252D2DE9FC94@cox.net>
Message-ID: <f1bp5m$tmb$1@sea.gmane.org>

I agree and those will appear before 2.9 is shipped.

"Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote in message 
news:5736A4ED-96A8-401C-BE80-252D2DE9FC94 at cox.net...
> Bill,
>
> thanks for taking the time to explain this. I'm sure others  monitoring 
> this list will also benefit from your comments. The first  time I used 
> Rev, I told Heather, not knowing who else to tell, that a  whole slew of 
> pages are missing from the Documentation. This was back  in 2.7.2 and they 
> have yet to be added. Still missing. I've noted  several others who have 
> made the same observation, but no soup! That  doesn't give much confidence 
> in the RR process. These are important  pages, too.





From wjm at wjm.org  Thu May  3 00:45:05 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 00:45:05 -0400
Subject: special folders
References: <20070502170007.5E7EF489016@mail.runrev.com><4638D525.4070806@castandcrew.com><20070502154207338432.60c3b322@sonsothunder.com><463920D9.1040502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<20070502220926174957.7410f4db@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <f1bpci$u4c$1@sea.gmane.org>

The Application Data folder is hidden, but it *is* one of the locations that 
you can be sure even limited accounts can write to.... even on Vista.

"Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote in message 
news:20070502220926174957.7410f4db at sonsothunder.com...
> On Wed, 02 May 2007 18:38:01 -0500, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> Ken Ray wrote:
>>
>>> There are a lot more examples, but you get the idea. So to develop
>>> for the widest possible distribution, you want to accommodate users
>>> of all levels, so the guidelines say that you should:
>>>
>>> - Put the executable file in the Applications/Program Files/etc. folder
>>> - Put files that the application uses, that usually won't be
>>> modified or need to be accessed by multiple users, and likely should
>>> not be seen (or not seen very often) by end users in an Application
>>> Support/Application Data/etc. folder
>>> - Put files that *do* change, are user-specific, or hold
>>> user-generated data in the user's Documents/My Documents folder
>>
>> Where would you put a file that the app itself needs to update,
>> regardless of which user is running it? I've been putting that file
>> into an "all users/application data/myapp/" folder but if there are
>> permissions problems with that, what then?
>
> Well, there's the rub - there isn't a simple answer. The problem is
> that for truly "locked down" users, the application itself would need
> to elevate its permissions to take actions that the currently logged-in
> user's permissions do not allow. OS X we can do with "sudo" and get
> authorization; Trevor just found a way to ask for authorization under
> Vista, but for other Windows flavors there isn't a solution for
> Revolution that's been made known.
>
> What I've ended up needing to do is to request that Windows users get
> added to the "Power Users" group, which gives them some form of
> elevated access, but doesn't quite make them "Administrators". However
> some companies won't even allow that...
>
> If I find out a way to do it, I'll make a tip out of it and let
> everyone know...
>
> :-)
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu May  3 01:29:42 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 00:29:42 -0500
Subject: [ANN] RevZilla 2.1 Now Available
Message-ID: <20070503002942743380.b077644d@sonsothunder.com>

Hey everyone!

I am proud to announce that RevZilla 2.1 is now available, and provides 
support for and now matches the new Runtime Revolution Bugzilla web 
site. Additionally, there is enhanced support for Linux, as well as 
fixes for several minor UI/functional bugs that were discovered. I have 
included on the download page both 2.7 format and 2.4 ("Legacy") format 
versions for all who wish to use it.

You can download it here:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm

Please let me know if you run into any issues or have any suggestions...

Enjoy!


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From hughesmike2 at hotmail.com  Thu May  3 02:06:34 2007
From: hughesmike2 at hotmail.com (Mike Hughes)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 06:06:34 +0000
Subject: Standalone Question
Message-ID: <BAY107-F28494F81875A0E16C1CC3FF3410@phx.gbl>

I have noticed an issue where I have a perfectly running Rev project and 
then when I build a standalone from it, parts of the script suddenly fail. 
For example, I seem to have trouble being able to "set the script" of a 
stack in a standalone. Similarly, it looks like I cannot copy images from 
one substack to another in a standalone. Both of these tasks are completely 
possible in a pre-built rev project. Any advice would be greatly 
appreciated. I'm sure I'm missing something.

TIA,

Mike

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From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu May  3 02:06:36 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 01:06:36 -0500
Subject: [ANN] RevZilla 2.1 Now Available
In-Reply-To: <20070503002942743380.b077644d@sonsothunder.com>
References: <20070503002942743380.b077644d@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <46397BEC.1060801@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Finally!!!  Thanks Ken!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com


Ken Ray wrote:
> I am proud to announce that RevZilla 2.1 is now available, and provides 
> support for and now matches the new Runtime Revolution Bugzilla web 
> site. Additionally, there is enhanced support for Linux, as well as 
> fixes for several minor UI/functional bugs that were discovered. I have 
> included on the download page both 2.7 format and 2.4 ("Legacy") format 
> versions for all who wish to use it.


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 02:26:26 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 07:26:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
Message-ID: <20070503062626.47549.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'm trying to avoid using VideoGrabber as it seems to
be horribly RAM-hungry. 

My digital video source grinds along horribly in RR
(using the "unsupported" Video Capture stack), and
considering both that:

my G4 dual processor with 1GB RAM is NOT the bottom of
the range of potential end-user PCs,

and

most PCs don't have Firewire capture capabilities

that seems a fairly useless way to go.

So I reasoned that if a video source (rather than just
a static video file) were available at an IP address
it could be streamed directly into a videoClipPlayer.

The "Video Capture" stack is for capturing video and
saving it.

I am not looking for anything nearly as sophisticated
- just a "quick-n-dirty" streaming solution.

Of course the idea of using a printserver is probably
daft as, normally, the information normally flows the
other way, i.e. from the network to the printer.
However, I don't see how my ethernet port is going to,
in itself, differentiate between print signals and
video signals: surely they are both just electronic
pulses? When the electronic pulses come into the PC it
is up to some piece of software as to how they are
subsequently interpreted.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From nickp at didata.bw  Thu May  3 02:38:41 2007
From: nickp at didata.bw (Nic Prioleau)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:38:41 +0200
Subject: XML Tree and spaces
References: <20070502120019.B3970488F50@mail.runrev.com>
	<684560DB-5BF6-465F-A6BF-5B9C29CEC20D@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <021501c78d4d$b0a43c20$480aa8c0@didata.bw>

AH shoot...
Ok thanks everyone for the replys, I know I didn't add enough info here... 
So now I am going to just paste my code. Sorry for the lengthy post but it's 
about all I can do now...
What I am trying to do is build a tree from certain tables in my DB. So for 
instance, I create tags (table names) in my script. I then have a lookup 
that grabs all customers from that table, iterates through them and creates 
sub nodes to display in the tree.

I used concepts from Sarah's code and also another demo stack I found that 
builds the actual tree with icons and wot not.. In Sarah's demo stack 
however, she removes spaces (as illegal characters in a "Tag Name"). This is 
where the problem comes in because some of the customers in my table have 
spaces in their names.

I'm clearly a newbie so I'm sure it's something silly I'm doing but I'd sure 
appreciate your assistance but what happens is instead of showing
- Customers
      Bokomo Botswana
it only display the first part of the sub node "Bokomo"

the xml below is produced as a result of the code in the mouseUp handler 
beneath it. It is then sent to a field whose code is stored in the attached 
txt file.

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<allTables>
 <Customers IDnum="19">
  <Bokomo Botswana>
  </Bokomo Botswana>
  <BOTEC>
  </BOTEC>
  <Gemini Logistics>
  </Gemini Logistics>
 </Customers>
</allTables>

*****************************************************************************
on mouseUp
  put empty into tTables

  if the hilited of btn "Customers" is true then
    put "Customers"&comma after tTables
  end if

  if the last char of tTables is comma then delete the last char of tTables

  put empty into fld "XMLText"
  put "/allTables" into tParentNode
  put "<allTables></allTables>" into tData

  get revCreateXMLTree(tData, false, true, false)
  checkForError it

  -- store the newly created tree's document ID
  put it into tDocID
  put tDocID into fld "DocID"

  repeat for each item thisI in tTables
    put format ("SELECT * FROM %s",thisI) into tSQL
    try
      get libdb_getTableRecords(theDB, tDataA, tSQL)
    catch er
      if item 1 of er = "lidberr" then
        delete item 1 of er
        answer "Database error:"&& er
        exit to top
      else
        answer "An Error Occurred:" && er
        exit to top
      end if
    end try

    -- add the parent element for the new data record and check for error
    revAddXMLNode tDocID, tParentNode, thisI, ""
    put the result into tSubNode
    checkForError tSubNode
    repeat with i = 1 to tDataA["Length"]
      switch thisI

      case "customers"
        put "companyName" into tPrimary
        put "companyNo,contactPerson,officePh,email" into tFldList
        break

      end switch

      put tDataA["Data", i, tPrimary] into tFirst
      repeat for each item thisFld in tFldList
        put tDataA["Data", i, thisFld] into t[thisFld]
      end repeat

      revSetXMLAttribute tDocID, tSubNode, "IDnum", i
      checkForError the result

      revAddXMLNode tDocID, tSubNode, tFirst, ""
      checkForError the result
      put tSubNode & "/" & tFirst into tSubNode1

    -- format & display the text version of the new XML document
    put formatXMLtext(tDocID) into fld "XMLtext"
    set the xmlstring of fld "xmlTree" to fld "XMLtext"
  end repeat

end mouseUp
******************************************************************************************
Regards
Nic

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Guillod" <joel.guillod at net2000.ch>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: XML Tree and spaces


Hello Nic,

Of course you'll get an answer but please, give an exemple of the xml
data and node content you have problem with and the function you use
to retrieve its content. Neither in my own use of xml nor by using
the Sarah's XML Demo stack (http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials/
XMLdemo1.rev.gz)for a rapid check, I was able to reproduce the
behavior your mentionned. So please, be more precise...

Joel


Le 2 mai 07 ? 14:00, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com a ?crit :

>
> De : "Nic Prioleau" <nickp at didata.bw>
> [...]
> If I create an xml tree and I have spaces in one of the node  values, it 
> will only show the first part of the value before the  space. Is there 
> anything anyone can tell me here? Am I not allowed  to use spaces here? It 
> would seem a bit limiting if I did?!
> [...]

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local sLine
function IsXMLErr @rpResult
  if  item 1 of rpResult is "XMLerr" then return true
  else return false
end IsXMLErr

setProp XMLdocument newdocid
  revDeleteXMLTree the DocID of me
  set the DocID of me to newdocid
  buildtree
end XMLDocument


setprop XMLDispString xmldata
  revDeleteXMLTree the DocID of me
  put revCreateXMLTree(xmldata,"false") into tresult
  if IsXMLErr(tresult) is false then
    set the DocID of me to tresult
    buildtree
  else put tresult into msg
  set the XMLDispString of me to xmldata
end XMLDispString

setprop XMLString xmldata
  revDeleteXMLTree the DispDocID of me
  put revCreateXMLTree(xmldata,"false") into tresult
  if IsXMLErr(tresult) is false then
    set the DispDocID of me to tresult
    --buildtree
  else put tresult into msg
  set the XMLDispString of me to xmldata
end XMLString


on hilitenode selectednode
  if tnode is not empty then
    revSetXMLAttribute the DocID of me,selectednode,"expanded","true"
    buildtree
    set the hilitednode of me to selectednode
    clicktree selectednode,isexpanded
    select line lineoffset(selectednode, the xmlpathlist of me) of me
  end if
end hilitenode

on mouseup
  lock screen
  put scroll of me into oldscroll
  put the hilitedline of me  into sline
  put line sline of the xmlpathlist of me into selectednode
  
  if selectednode is not empty then
    put true into isexpanded
    if  revXMLAttribute( the DocID of me,selectednode,"expanded") is "true" then put false into isexpanded
    revSetXMLAttribute the DocID of me,selectednode,"expanded", isexpanded
    buildtree
    set the hilitednode of me to selectednode
    clicktree selectednode,isexpanded
    select line sline of me
    set scroll of me to oldscroll
  end if
  unlock screen
  getNodeValues selectednode
end mouseup

on buildtree
  put the milliseconds into tseconds
  put the DocID of me into docid
  put 0 into depth
  put revXMLRootNode(docid) into curchild
  if IsXMLErr(curchild) is true then
    put curchild into msg
    exit buildtree
  end if
  repeat forever
    put false into wasexpanded
    put empty into nextchild
    if revXMLAttribute(docid,curchild,"expanded") is "true" or depth is 0 then
      put revXMLFirstChild(docid,curchild) into nextchild
      --answer nextchild
      if nextchild is not empty then
        if depth is not 0 then put tab after depthbuffer
        add 1 to depth
        put true into wasexpanded
      end if
    end if
    if nextchild is empty and depth is not 0 then
      put revXMLNextSibling(docid,curchild) into nextchild
      repeat while nextchild is empty and depth is not 0
        put revXMLParent(docid,curchild) into nextchild
        if nextchild is not empty then
          put nextchild into curchild
          subtract 1 from depth
          delete last char of depthbuffer
        end if
        if depth is 0 then
          put empty into nextchild
          exit repeat
        end if
        put revXMLNextSibling(docid,nextchild) into nextchild
      end repeat
    end if
    if nextchild is empty  then exit repeat
    put nextchild into curchild
    put curchild&cr after pathlist
    set the itemdelimiter to "/"
    put "<p>"&depthbuffer after treelist
    
    if revXMLNumberOfChildren(docid,curchild,"",0) > 0  then
      if revXMLAttribute(docid,curchild,"expanded") is not "true"  then put "<img src="&quote&the expandimage of me&quote&"> " after treelist
      else  put "<img src="&quote&the collapseimage of me&quote&"> " after treelist
    else put "<img src="&quote&the nochildimage of me&quote&"> " after treelist
    put revXMLAttribute(docid,curchild,"icon") into nodeicon
    if IsXMLErr(nodeicon) is false and nodeicon is not empty then put "<img src="&quote&nodeicon&quote&"> " after treelist
    if the labelbyname of me is true then put revXMLAttribute(docid,curchild,"name")&"</p>"&cr after treelist
    else put item -1 of curchild&"</p>"&cr after treelist
    set the itemdelimiter to comma
  end repeat
  --put the milliseconds - tseconds
  set the htmltext of me to treelist
  delete last char of pathlist
  set the xmlpathlist of me to pathlist
end buildtree


----------------------------------USER DEFINED HANDLERS

on getNodeValues theNode
  
  local tStart, tDocID, tParentNode, tNode, tChild, tFirst, tLast
  put sLine - 1 into tStart
  if tStart < 1 then exit to top
  if tStart is empty then exit to top
  
  put getTreeID() into tDocID
  --put docid into tDocID
  -- setup the display field for text instead of an XML tree
  set the tabStops of fld "XMLtext" to 60
  
  -- find the root tag for this tree
  --addToTranscript "revXMLRootNode(" & tDocID & ")"
  put revXMLRootNode(tDocID) into tParentNode
  --addToTranscript tParentNode
  
  --addToTranscript "revXMLMatchingNode(" & tDocID & ", " & q(theNode) & ", , " & q("IDnum") & ", " & tStart & ", -1)"
  --Nic
  put revXMLMatchingNode(tDocID, theNode, , "IDnum", tStart, -1) into tNode
  --addToTranscript tNode
  put theNode & cr & cr into fld "XMLtext"
  
  --addToTranscript "revXMLChildContents(" & tDocID & ", " & q(tNode) & ", tab, cr, -1)"
  put revXMLChildContents(tDocID, theNode, tab, cr, true, -1) into tChild
  put tChild after fld "XMLtext"
  
end getNodeValues


on clicktree selectednode,isexpanded
  shownodeinfo
end clicktree

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu May  3 02:59:38 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 01:59:38 -0500
Subject: XML Tree and spaces
In-Reply-To: <021501c78d4d$b0a43c20$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
References: <20070502120019.B3970488F50@mail.runrev.com>
	<684560DB-5BF6-465F-A6BF-5B9C29CEC20D@net2000.ch>
	<021501c78d4d$b0a43c20$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
Message-ID: <20070503015938286549.fb859e0f@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 3 May 2007 08:38:41 +0200, Nic Prioleau wrote:

> I used concepts from Sarah's code and also another demo stack I found 
> that builds the actual tree with icons and wot not.. In Sarah's demo 
> stack however, she removes spaces (as illegal characters in a "Tag 
> Name"). This is where the problem comes in because some of the 
> customers in my table have spaces in their names.

That's because it is illegal to have spaces in XML tag names. My 
recommendation would be to replace the spaces with underscores (_) so 
you can look things up easily but still keep the tag as a single word.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From wjm at wjm.org  Thu May  3 03:30:29 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 03:30:29 -0400
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
References: <20070503062626.47549.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f1c32m$ltd$1@sea.gmane.org>

Richmond,

You're on the right track in the sense that higher-end video cameras do 
indeed have an IP address and integrated web server; you can grab images 
using functions in the Rev Internet library, or display streaming video 
using the now-integrated Browser control.

- Bill 





From wjm at wjm.org  Thu May  3 03:43:58 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 03:43:58 -0400
Subject: XML Tree and spaces
References: <20070502120019.B3970488F50@mail.runrev.com><684560DB-5BF6-465F-A6BF-5B9C29CEC20D@net2000.ch>
	<021501c78d4d$b0a43c20$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
Message-ID: <f1c3s0$o3s$1@sea.gmane.org>

I think you'll have a much easier go of it if you try to use tags for 
structural aspects of the representation, and use either attributes or the 
contents for data.

In your example, I would use:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<allTables>
 <Customers IDnum="19">
  <name>Bokomo Botswana</name>
  <name>BOTEC</name>
  <name>Gemini Logistics</name>
 </Customers>
</allTables>

or

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<allTables>
    <table name="Customers" IDnum="19">
        <row name="Bokomo Botswana">
        </row>
        <row name="BOTEC">
        </row>
        <row name="Gemini Logistics">
        </row>
    </table>
</allTables>

There could be a lot of other ways you can group it. The basic concept here 
is to relate the idea of tags in XML to tags in HTML (if you're familiar 
with that). You might put a <p author="Nic"> </p> tag around a paragraph, 
you wouldn't have a <Nic> </Nic> tag.


--- Original Message ---
Nic Prioleau wrote:

[...]the xml below is produced as a result of the code in the mouseUp 
handler
beneath it. It is then sent to a field whose code is stored in the attached
txt file.

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<allTables>
 <Customers IDnum="19">
  <Bokomo Botswana>
  </Bokomo Botswana>
  <BOTEC>
  </BOTEC>
  <Gemini Logistics>
  </Gemini Logistics>
 </Customers>
</allTables>






From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu May  3 03:55:09 2007
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:55:09 +0200
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
In-Reply-To: <20070217045909.23802488F4C@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070217045909.23802488F4C@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <85EBB5E8-A61E-4C52-AE38-2506BD11BD4F@derbrill.de>

Hi Joe,

if you say the inspector changes things for your players this might  
be related to bug 4711.

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4711

If you have anything to add to that (maybe a good recipe, as I find  
it to happen randomly that the inspector suddenly does act  
strangely), please add to the report.

All the best,

Malte


> But on subsequent openings of the Inspector, when things appeared not
> to be going right, the number would be changed from 1 to 2; sometimes
> from 2 to 3, depending on which player since there are a total of 9
> of them.


From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Thu May  3 04:36:57 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 09:36:57 +0100
Subject: Standalone Question
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-F28494F81875A0E16C1CC3FF3410@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY107-F28494F81875A0E16C1CC3FF3410@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <46399F29.2040302@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Hi Mike,

Mike Hughes wrote:
> I have noticed an issue where I have a perfectly running Rev project and 
> then when I build a standalone from it, parts of the script suddenly 
> fail. For example, I seem to have trouble being able to "set the script" 
> of a stack in a standalone. 

See the scriptlimits. This is Revolution's contribution to the 
contemporary practice of limiting software functionality in order to 
protect commercial interests. Basically it stops users doing what 
Runtime did - using the product to create a competing product. Sorry. 
Usually there are alternative approaches, albeit less convenient perhaps.

> Similarly, it looks like I cannot copy 
> images from one substack to another in a standalone. Both of these tasks 
> are completely possible in a pre-built rev project. Any advice would be 
> greatly appreciated. I'm sure I'm missing something.
> 

I think you should be able to do this, but you would not be able to save 
the result, as a standalone cannot save itself, and therefore you cannot 
save its substacks either.

If you want to save a stack, it must be independent of the standalone. 
Many of us create standalones that consist only of the splash screen and 
minimal startup code, which is responsible for loading the external 
stacks that contain the application logic and (sometimes) data.

HTH

Martin Baxter


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu May  3 04:36:58 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 01:36:58 -0700
Subject: Standalone Question
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-F28494F81875A0E16C1CC3FF3410@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C25EED3A.24B1C%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Mike Hughes wrote:

> I have noticed an issue where I have a perfectly running Rev project and
> then when I build a standalone from it, parts of the script suddenly fail.
> For example, I seem to have trouble being able to "set the script" of a
> stack in a standalone.

I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure you can't "set scripts" in a
standalone (at least those that total more than 10 lines).  The docs say:

"When using a standalone application, an object's script property may not be
set to a string containing more than ten statements. This limit is set by
line 1 of the scriptLimits function. (This does not limit scripts that are
already written: standalone applications can run scripts of any length.
However, if the standalone attempts to change an object's script property,
and the script contains more than the allowable number of statements, the
attempt to set the script causes an error.)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu May  3 04:37:34 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:37:34 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
References: <85EBB5E8-A61E-4C52-AE38-2506BD11BD4F@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <46399F4E.000001.04068@MAZYTIS>

Can it be related to bug #3992 (already confirmed, but not yet fixed in dp5)
? 
 
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Malte Brill 
Date: 05/03/07 10:55:33 
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com 
Subject: Re: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4 
 
Hi Joe, 
 
if you say the inspector changes things for your players this might 
be related to bug 4711. 
 
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4711 
 
If you have anything to add to that (maybe a good recipe, as I find 
it to happen randomly that the inspector suddenly does act 
strangely), please add to the report. 
 
All the best, 
 
Malte 
 
 
> But on subsequent openings of the Inspector, when things appeared not 
> to be going right, the number would be changed from 1 to 2; sometimes 
> from 2 to 3, depending on which player since there are a total of 9 
> of them. 
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From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Thu May  3 04:38:13 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:38:13 +0100
Subject: Standalone Question
Message-ID: <13E8CC5C-24AB-4352-AB6A-4244A8E2A046@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

Martin, I believe that is an inaccurate judgement.  Whilst I was  
never a MetaCard user,  I believe that the ScriptLimits existed in  
that product too.  Runrev must have had some licensing arrangement  
with Scott Raney - effectively, they were re-selling the engine, but  
wrapped in a different IDE.  Then they bought the engine.

Bernard

> See the scriptlimits. This is Revolution's contribution to the
> contemporary practice of limiting software functionality in order to
> protect commercial interests. Basically it stops users doing what
> Runtime did - using the product to create a competing product. Sorry.


From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Thu May  3 05:14:54 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 10:14:54 +0100
Subject: Standalone Question
In-Reply-To: <13E8CC5C-24AB-4352-AB6A-4244A8E2A046@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
References: <13E8CC5C-24AB-4352-AB6A-4244A8E2A046@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <4639A80E.5090107@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Bernard Devlin wrote:
> Martin, I believe that is an inaccurate judgement.  Whilst I was never a 
> MetaCard user,  I believe that the ScriptLimits existed in that product 
> too.  Runrev must have had some licensing arrangement with Scott Raney - 
> effectively, they were re-selling the engine, but wrapped in a different 
> IDE.  Then they bought the engine.
> 
> Bernard
> 
>> See the scriptlimits. This is Revolution's contribution to the
>> contemporary practice of limiting software functionality in order to
>> protect commercial interests. Basically it stops users doing what
>> Runtime did - using the product to create a competing product. Sorry.

Hi Bernard,

My memory is admittedly not the most trustworthy so I'm happy to be 
corrected if I misremember, but my recollection is that the 10 line 
scriptlimits in Metacard and early versions of Revolution only applied 
in the free version. Runtime of course dropped the free version but also 
applied the script limits to standalones made with the paid-for version.

Martin Baxter



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu May  3 05:22:21 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:22:21 +0100
Subject: XML Tree and spaces
In-Reply-To: <021501c78d4d$b0a43c20$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
References: <20070502120019.B3970488F50@mail.runrev.com>
	<684560DB-5BF6-465F-A6BF-5B9C29CEC20D@net2000.ch>
	<021501c78d4d$b0a43c20$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
Message-ID: <07D3578C-8760-4493-910A-01B1958CFDEF@lacscentre.co.uk>

Nic

Ken and Bill have already pointed out some problems with your XML.

The following URL has an online XML checker. It checks that the XML  
is well-formed (not quite the same as an XML validator). It might be  
useful.

http://www.xml.com/pub/a/tools/ruwf/check.html

You'll see that Bill's example passes the test. (Gold star, Bill. :-))

Cheers
Dave




From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 05:36:41 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:36:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
Message-ID: <94766.93720.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

One of my reasons for trying to find this out is the
on-going problem with RunRev depending on Quicktime
and how to manage video stuff with RunRev under Linux.

While high-end (read "expensive") video cameras may
have IP addresses, cheap ones don't. Therefore there
should be some way to "cheat" by bringing video in via
USB and a web-server.

A similar problem relates to how one can assign an IP
address to a Firewire port?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 05:48:12 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:48:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Setting up a TCP/IP network over Firewire . . .
Message-ID: <473958.72957.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Connected with previous posting.

So assigned IP address to "built-in" Firewire which is
connected to my Miglia digital converter and was told
"The cable for built-in FireWire is not plugged in":

something that is not true.

Help, advice gratefully recieved.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu May  3 06:04:17 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:04:17 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <20070503062626.47549.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070503062626.47549.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4639B3A1.6030301@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Why don't you plug it in and browse to the print server IP address?

Cheers,

Luis.


Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> I'm trying to avoid using VideoGrabber as it seems to
> be horribly RAM-hungry. 
> 
> My digital video source grinds along horribly in RR
> (using the "unsupported" Video Capture stack), and
> considering both that:
> 
> my G4 dual processor with 1GB RAM is NOT the bottom of
> the range of potential end-user PCs,
> 
> and
> 
> most PCs don't have Firewire capture capabilities
> 
> that seems a fairly useless way to go.
> 
> So I reasoned that if a video source (rather than just
> a static video file) were available at an IP address
> it could be streamed directly into a videoClipPlayer.
> 
> The "Video Capture" stack is for capturing video and
> saving it.
> 
> I am not looking for anything nearly as sophisticated
> - just a "quick-n-dirty" streaming solution.
> 
> Of course the idea of using a printserver is probably
> daft as, normally, the information normally flows the
> other way, i.e. from the network to the printer.
> However, I don't see how my ethernet port is going to,
> in itself, differentiate between print signals and
> video signals: surely they are both just electronic
> pulses? When the electronic pulses come into the PC it
> is up to some piece of software as to how they are
> subsequently interpreted.
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> 
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> 
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu May  3 06:13:52 2007
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:13:52 +0200
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
In-Reply-To: <20070220101711.A8547489247@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070220101711.A8547489247@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CC0312D2-662F-451B-8DBF-7DDA5DA447D2@derbrill.de>

Hi Victorias,

> Can it be related to bug #3992 (already confirmed, but not yet  
> fixed in dp5)?


Yes, I think so. As well as #3955. Of course this is just me shooting  
in the dark, though.

All the best,

Malte


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu May  3 06:18:09 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:18:09 +0100
Subject: Setting up a TCP/IP network over Firewire . . .
In-Reply-To: <473958.72957.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <473958.72957.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4639B6E1.5020101@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Which Miglia model is this?

Cheers,

Luis.


Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Connected with previous posting.
> 
> So assigned IP address to "built-in" Firewire which is
> connected to my Miglia digital converter and was told
> "The cable for built-in FireWire is not plugged in":
> 
> something that is not true.
> 
> Help, advice gratefully recieved.
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> 
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> 
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 06:23:55 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:23:55 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Setting up a TCP/IP network over Firewire . . .
Message-ID: <330959.25070.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Miglia Director's Cut.

Converts VHS into DV and then pumps it into the Mac
via FireWire

sincerely, Richmond

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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu May  3 06:23:04 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:23:04 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <20070503062626.47549.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070503062626.47549.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B9922419-9EBF-47D7-8505-2AB3A9C8C63D@azurevision.co.uk>


On 3 May 2007, at 07:26, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Of course the idea of using a printserver is probably
> daft as, normally, the information normally flows the
> other way, i.e. from the network to the printer.
> However, I don't see how my ethernet port is going to,
> in itself, differentiate between print signals and
> video signals: surely they are both just electronic
> pulses? When the electronic pulses come into the PC it
> is up to some piece of software as to how they are
> subsequently interpreted.

The problem is not the ethernet connection, it's the print server -  
they ONLY work with printers, and don't understand any other USB  
device. I looked into this some time ago for remote control of  
digital stills cameras.

Ian


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 06:36:55 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:36:55 +0100 (BST)
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
Message-ID: <812228.78174.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ian Wood wrote:

"The problem is not the ethernet connection, it's the
print server -  
they ONLY work with printers, and don't understand any
other USB  
device. I looked into this some time ago for remote
control of  
digital stills cameras."

However, did a bit of digging on the internet and
found this:

http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/server/homepage.spml

which is a USB to Ethernet server that functions for
all sorts of peripherals.

Have to settle down and read through the PDFs.

The Keyspan server might be "just the ticket".

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From supote.songthammawat at gmail.com  Thu May  3 06:41:22 2007
From: supote.songthammawat at gmail.com (supote songthammawat)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 17:41:22 +0700
Subject: Urgently!!!! How can I use runrev 2.5.1 send or receive Data or
	File by Bluetooth or Pop-port USB from Mobile Phone to my computer?
Message-ID: <680dfa960705030341t63402185m756a809019942eb5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everybody,

    I want to know that runrev v.2.5.1 can use Bluetooth or Pop-port USB
from Notebook or Desktop in order to send or receive Data or File from
Mobile Phone. Please tell or suggest me. And if can do how to build or use?
Please help me. Urgently!!!!!!!

Thank you.

Best Regard,
Supote


From p.jimmieson at csc.liv.ac.uk  Thu May  3 07:39:41 2007
From: p.jimmieson at csc.liv.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 12:39:41 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <812228.78174.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <812228.78174.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070503123941.sllgjjmb6s088skg@cgi.csc.liv.ac.uk>

Quoting Richmond Mathewson <geradamas at yahoo.com>:
>
> However, did a bit of digging on the internet and
> found this:
>
> http://www.keyspan.com/products/usb/server/homepage.spml
>
> which is a USB to Ethernet server that functions for
> all sorts of peripherals.
>
> Have to settle down and read through the PDFs.
>
> The Keyspan server might be "just the ticket".

I've got one of these, and they are excellent for peripheral sharing - 
I've got 3 printers attached to it, and one scanner and they can be 
accessed essentially from any computer on the network with the special 
software installed (so probably not linux systems). I think keyspan 
haven't made a usb 2 version though, so it may be a bit slow for some 
stuff, and it isn't compatible with every usb peripheral - I've used it 
with 3 different kinds of printer and a scanner without problems 
though. To the computer, it just looks like the device is directly 
attached. The fact its going via a network is completely transparent.

-- 
Phil Jimmieson
The University of Liverpool, Computer Science Dept, Ashton Bldg,
Ashton Street, Liverpool  L69 3BX   0151 795 4236

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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu May  3 07:51:25 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 12:51:25 +0100
Subject: Setting up a TCP/IP network over Firewire . . .
In-Reply-To: <330959.25070.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <330959.25070.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4639CCBD.9020103@anachreon.co.uk>

Tried removing the IP address and see if it works again?

Cheers,

Luis.


Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Miglia Director's Cut.
> 
> Converts VHS into DV and then pumps it into the Mac
> via FireWire
> 
> sincerely, Richmond
> 
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> 
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From martinblackman at gmail.com  Thu May  3 08:59:27 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:59:27 +0800
Subject: Can a modal stack appear with visual effect ?
Message-ID: <79d1bee70705030559x3d2988at4c692e8cddc9c6ce@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,
I simply wanted my 'About' stack to appear with a little pizzazz, but
I can't get visual effects working on a modal stack

   set the style of stack "stack2" to modal
   lock screen
   go stack "stack2"
   unlock screen with visual effect wipe down

Only if I set the style to toplevel does the effect work.
I also tried this to no avail -

  set the style of stack "stack2" to modal
  go invisible stack "stack2"
  lock screen
  show stack "stack2"
  unlock screen with visual effect wipe down

regards
Martin


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu May  3 09:01:27 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:01:27 +0100
Subject: Setting up a TCP/IP network over Firewire . . .
In-Reply-To: <473958.72957.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <473958.72957.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F5E1CF68-6C67-4FB8-A793-16A707F47CFA@azurevision.co.uk>

Firewire peripherals don't normally understand the TCP/IP over  
Firewire protocol.

Ian

On 3 May 2007, at 10:48, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> So assigned IP address to "built-in" Firewire which is
> connected to my Miglia digital converter



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 09:11:48 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:11:48 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Can a modal stack appear with visual effect ?
Message-ID: <236821.76633.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Richmond's Dirty Tricks Dept. here:

just topLevel it

   do the transition

and then modal it again


dunnit meself!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From pepetoo at cox.net  Thu May  3 09:15:50 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 06:15:50 -0700
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
In-Reply-To: <85EBB5E8-A61E-4C52-AE38-2506BD11BD4F@derbrill.de>
References: <20070217045909.23802488F4C@mail.runrev.com>
	<85EBB5E8-A61E-4C52-AE38-2506BD11BD4F@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <4C08ACC7-298F-4FB9-A767-5B3953E78EF7@cox.net>

Thanks, Malte,

I haven't joined the beta team yet, but will do as you suggest. I've  
just got too many irons in the fire already to fragment my mind any  
more than it already is.

Joe Wilkins

On May 3, 2007, at 12:55 AM, Malte Brill wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> if you say the inspector changes things for your players this might  
> be related to bug 4711.
>
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4711
>
> If you have anything to add to that (maybe a good recipe, as I find  
> it to happen randomly that the inspector suddenly does act  
> strangely), please add to the report.
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte
>
>
>> But on subsequent openings of the Inspector, when things appeared not
>> to be going right, the number would be changed from 1 to 2; sometimes
>> from 2 to 3, depending on which player since there are a total of 9
>> of them.
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Thu May  3 09:31:02 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 06:31:02 -0700
Subject: Crashes with 2.8.1 dp4
In-Reply-To: <p06240800c25ef0ee377f@[192.168.1.20]>
References: <D20F1392-24AD-4E7C-9EE7-F53A5569C3FA@canelasoftware.com><E5308750-8832-47
	D3-AE66-41AF13E8B3ED@cox.net>
	<DD590BC8-FFE4-467B-A09D-6B34AB43C75D@cox.net>
	<f1bbbf$v26$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<4E31F9DC-935F-481D-9740-1BC034FA751D@cox.net>
	<p06240800c25ef0ee377f@[192.168.1.20]>
Message-ID: <1D6588D5-DCBE-436E-87BF-3467B0958B70@cox.net>

Stephen, Thanks for the encouragement, but I've yet to take that  
step. Shortly!

Joe Wilkins

On May 2, 2007, at 6:55 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Joe, this is your moment to SHINE. You've seen Bill Marriot's pleas  
> to 'Bring It On" these last few weeks...
>
> 'volume of reports' would be good!

<snip>


From nickp at didata.bw  Thu May  3 07:52:34 2007
From: nickp at didata.bw (Nic Prioleau)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:52:34 +0200
Subject: XML Tree and spaces
References: <20070502120019.B3970488F50@mail.runrev.com><684560DB-5BF6-465F-A6BF-5B9C29CEC20D@net2000.ch><021501c78d4d$b0a43c20$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
	<f1c3s0$o3s$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <022d01c78d79$89f284c0$480aa8c0@didata.bw>

That's a great help thanks Bill... I have managed to get the exact result I 
was looking for!!

Regards
Nic
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Marriott" <wjm at wjm.org>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2007 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: XML Tree and spaces


>I think you'll have a much easier go of it if you try to use tags for 
>structural aspects of the representation, and use either attributes or the 
>contents for data.
>
> In your example, I would use:
>
> <?xml version="1.0"?>
> <allTables>
> <Customers IDnum="19">
>  <name>Bokomo Botswana</name>
>  <name>BOTEC</name>
>  <name>Gemini Logistics</name>
> </Customers>
> </allTables>
>
> or
>
> <?xml version="1.0"?>
> <allTables>
>    <table name="Customers" IDnum="19">
>        <row name="Bokomo Botswana">
>        </row>
>        <row name="BOTEC">
>        </row>
>        <row name="Gemini Logistics">
>        </row>
>    </table>
> </allTables> 


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From tm1274 at gmail.com  Thu May  3 10:27:45 2007
From: tm1274 at gmail.com (Ted Mills)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:27:45 -0400
Subject: Check Boxes in Revolution
Message-ID: <e86527e80705030727l3255b8bei2d3d8247d3bbe0d8@mail.gmail.com>

I purchased revolution months ago and have been unable to work with it much
until now. This is probably elementary but I was wandering if it was
possible to link a checkbox to a dropdown selection within revolution. In
other words, if a selection is made from a drop down box, can a disabled
checkbox become enabled and checked? And can that checkbox supply a value to
a text box?


From jc at spl21.net  Thu May  3 10:48:44 2007
From: jc at spl21.net (John Craig)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 15:48:44 +0100
Subject: Check Boxes in Revolution
In-Reply-To: <e86527e80705030727l3255b8bei2d3d8247d3bbe0d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e86527e80705030727l3255b8bei2d3d8247d3bbe0d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4639F64C.2080709@spl21.net>

I think I understand, but apologies if this is off the mark - type the 
following into the rev message box;
go stack URL "http://www.molekular.co.uk/tmp/demo.rev"

:-)

JC


Ted Mills wrote:
> I purchased revolution months ago and have been unable to work with it 
> much
> until now. This is probably elementary but I was wandering if it was
> possible to link a checkbox to a dropdown selection within revolution. In
> other words, if a selection is made from a drop down box, can a disabled
> checkbox become enabled and checked? And can that checkbox supply a 
> value to
> a text box?
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Thu May  3 11:08:35 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 08:08:35 -0700
Subject: Eureka! Inspector problem workaround
In-Reply-To: <e86527e80705030727l3255b8bei2d3d8247d3bbe0d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <e86527e80705030727l3255b8bei2d3d8247d3bbe0d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1FF0DC20-116D-4268-9AF2-35DD71DA10B2@cox.net>

Happy Days!

In trying to document the problem I was having with the Object  
Inspector and obtaining proper Paths to sources, I found, mostly from  
Jacques suggestion to try the Application Browser to explore the  
problem, that I could identify the players in that browser and then  
browse to the appropriate source and it would work as expected,  
though constantly not working when using the Inspector to select the  
object and then browsing. I should think that this difference might  
point out the flaw (bug 4711) in the functioning of the Inspector.  
So... don't use the Inspector to identify the object, use the  
Application browser instead.

Joe Wilkins


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 11:53:19 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 16:53:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
Message-ID: <101237.89434.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

HOWEVER . . .

read the PDFs for the KeySpan USB Server and they
state categorically that it will not work with
webcams.

If anybody "out there" (and writing that makes me
sound even dafter than usual :) ) knows of a USB
server that can cope with video, I, for one, would be
glad to hear of it.

And, while I am being daft; does anybody know of some
way to patch from an old-fashioned Mac printer/modem
port to ethernet???

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson


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From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Thu May  3 12:25:36 2007
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 09:25:36 -0700
Subject: special folders
In-Reply-To: <20070503031227.50CA348909D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070503031227.50CA348909D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <463A0D00.2000904@castandcrew.com>

-2-  Does the ability to install an executable file to a particular folder not also mean that files in that folder are writeable?  For example, in a two-part executable plus writable stack architecture, if the install program places the loader (executable) into folder x, is it not guaranteed that I can write to the operational stack in that same folder?
>
> Mark



Many thanks to everyone who replied to my post, loved the 'guidelines' 
and it was very educational!

I'm wondering the same as Mark. (which, apologies,  I have slightly 
edited his response to be my question, but I think it's the same question)

I guess the answer depends on if it is possible to have a directory that 
allows write permission, while files in the directory do not have write 
permission.  If this is possible, then I guess the answer is no.  I'm 
thinking it would be possible to do this on a Linux system (although it 
might take a bit of effort setting umask variables etc.) but I'm not 
really sure because I've never tried it.  I could check.





>  
>


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu May  3 12:27:33 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 17:27:33 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <101237.89434.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <101237.89434.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <463A0D75.2000000@anachreon.co.uk>

Well, you could use the Mac as a USB server...

I don't know what exactly you mean by old Mac printer/modem. Do you mean 
  ADB or parallel/serial?

Cheers,

Luis.


Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> HOWEVER . . .
> 
> read the PDFs for the KeySpan USB Server and they
> state categorically that it will not work with
> webcams.
> 
> If anybody "out there" (and writing that makes me
> sound even dafter than usual :) ) knows of a USB
> server that can cope with video, I, for one, would be
> glad to hear of it.
> 
> And, while I am being daft; does anybody know of some
> way to patch from an old-fashioned Mac printer/modem
> port to ethernet???
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> 
> 
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu May  3 12:51:32 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:51:32 -0500
Subject: Urgently!!!! How can I use runrev 2.5.1 send or receive Data or
 File by Bluetooth or Pop-port USB from Mobile Phone to my computer?
In-Reply-To: <680dfa960705030341t63402185m756a809019942eb5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <680dfa960705030341t63402185m756a809019942eb5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070503115132422214.32189962@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 3 May 2007 17:41:22 +0700, supote songthammawat wrote:

> Hi everybody,
> 
>    I want to know that runrev v.2.5.1 can use Bluetooth or Pop-port USB
> from Notebook or Desktop in order to send or receive Data or File from
> Mobile Phone. Please tell or suggest me. And if can do how to build or use?
> Please help me. Urgently!!!!!!!

Supote, I wish I could give you a concrete answer... I know that Rev 
has been used in connection with certain USB devices to send/receive 
data, in fact there's specific support for Revolution in the B&K (Bonig 
and Kallenbach) Service USB product 
(http://www.bkohg.com/products.html), but I don't think that will work 
with mobile phones. Others here have done some more simple USB 
connections (Sarah, did you do one?). As far as Bluetooth is concerned, 
I don't know of anyone who has used a Rev app to communicate via 
Bluetooth.

If anyone else can add to this or provide some direction to Supote, 
please chime in...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu May  3 12:55:22 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 11:55:22 -0500
Subject: special folders
In-Reply-To: <463A0D00.2000904@castandcrew.com>
References: <20070503031227.50CA348909D@mail.runrev.com>
	<463A0D00.2000904@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <20070503115522382768.769ea7b6@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 03 May 2007 09:25:36 -0700, Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:

> -2-  Does the ability to install an executable file to a particular 
> folder not also mean that files in that folder are writeable?  For 
> example, in a two-part executable plus writable stack architecture, 
> if the install program places the loader (executable) into folder x, 
> is it not guaranteed that I can write to the operational stack in 
> that same folder?
> 
> I'm wondering the same as Mark. (which, apologies,  I have slightly 
> edited his response to be my question, but I think it's the same 
> question)

There's also the issue of what app's doing the installation - it is 
very common (esp. on Windows) for an installer to request authorization 
or  have a built-in method of elevating its permission level for the 
purpose of the installation - but that's different than when the 
installed program itself runs. So you might be able to install an 
executable to a folder and then not have the executable itself be able 
to write to the folder it's in.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From tm1274 at gmail.com  Thu May  3 13:34:23 2007
From: tm1274 at gmail.com (Ted Mills)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 13:34:23 -0400
Subject: Check Boxes in Revolution
Message-ID: <e86527e80705031034t13fb58c4v75c85cabe3dc6272@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, That worked perfectly. One question though,  In your code:

on menuPick pItem
  if pItem <> "None" then
    enable btn "chkLight"
    set hilite of btn "chkLight" to true
    put "Light" && pItem into fld "txResult"
  else
    disable btn "chkLight"
    set hilite of btn "chkLight" to false
    put empty into fld "txResult"
  end if
end menuPick

If I wanted to make the check box do the same thing with a different
selection, would I change the "else" to something like "else if" like this:

on menuPick pItem
  if pItem = "None" then
    enable btn "chkLight"
    set hilite of btn "chkLight" to true
    put "Light" && pItem into fld "txResult"
  else if
on menuPick pItem
  if pItem = "Red" then
    enable btn "chkLight"
    set hilite of btn "chkLight" to true
    put "Light" && pItem into fld "txResult"
    disable btn "chkLight"
    set hilite of btn "chkLight" to false
    put empty into fld "txResult"
  end if
end menuPick

I cannot seem to get it to work. with else if, or then or anything else. I
have 1 drop down box that will make 3 check boxes behavior change based upon
the selection.

Thanks........TM


From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Thu May  3 14:00:34 2007
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 11:00:34 -0700
Subject: special folders - and Install Gadget
In-Reply-To: <20070503170007.89F8E489440@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070503170007.89F8E489440@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <463A2342.6020405@castandcrew.com>


>There's also the issue of what app's doing the installation - it is 
>very common (esp. on Windows) for an installer to request authorization 
>or  have a built-in method of elevating its permission level for the 
>purpose of the installation - but that's different than when the 
>installed program itself runs. So you might be able to install an 
>executable to a folder and then not have the executable itself be able 
>to write to the folder it's in.
>
>
>  
>

Good answer Ken!

We are using the _excellent_ InstallGadget tool - not sure what it may 
do with respect to elevating it's permission level  (perhaps the author 
will chime in here?) - but I do know that every time I turn around 
Windows Vista asks my permission for something.

Aloha
Sadhu


From tm1274 at gmail.com  Thu May  3 14:17:45 2007
From: tm1274 at gmail.com (Ted Mills)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:17:45 -0400
Subject: Check Boxes in Revolution - Issue Resolved
Message-ID: <e86527e80705031117x1d9882e7p93f14312a079eaee@mail.gmail.com>

I have found my error with the check boxes, I just needed to disable other
portions and had forgotten to do that.


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 15:37:12 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:37:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
Message-ID: <120910.95254.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Luis wrote:

"Well, you could use the Mac as a USB server..."

Umm . . . and how would I go about assigning IP
addresses to the USB ports?

and:

"I don't know what exactly you mean by old Mac
printer/modem. Do you mean  ADB or parallel/serial?"

I mean Serial.

It was perfectly possible to connect 2 pre-PPC Macs
together with a cable that connected the 2 printer
ports.

What I would like to do is be able to connect a few
tatty, old Macs I have lurking in my attic in Scotland
to my PPC Mac Mini when I go over there in the summer.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu May  3 15:43:33 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 20:43:33 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <120910.95254.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <120910.95254.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5085596A-5CF6-443B-967F-4BC6EBBD96F2@azurevision.co.uk>

You can only assign IP addresses to devices that understand Internet  
Protocol, i.e computers and network-aware devices such as network  
printers, network scanners and NAS boxes. All those things that have  
ethernet ports...

Any peripheral that is plugged into a USB port is pretty much by  
definition not network-aware.

Ian

On 3 May 2007, at 20:37, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Umm . . . and how would I go about assigning IP
> addresses to the USB ports?



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu May  3 16:12:50 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:12:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
Message-ID: <20070503201250.13023.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mr Wood!

surely you recognise "Umm" as ironic :)

What I am aiming at is a way of assigning a
video-streaming source an IP address - this obviously
has to "come into the computer" via the Ethernet port,
and that means through a USB server of some sort. This
should make things easier, and less RAM-hungry for
anybody wishing to import and/or view video, and, with
reference to RunRev circumvent videoGrabber which is a
memory-hog and relies on Quicktime and/or Windows
Media.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu May  3 16:26:07 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 21:26:07 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <20070503201250.13023.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070503201250.13023.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F8FDB7E2-8F3B-4DFB-8F1D-C3D97E0CC261@azurevision.co.uk>


On 3 May 2007, at 21:12, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> surely you recognise "Umm" as ironic :)

I'm not always sure with you... ;-)

> What I am aiming at is a way of assigning a
> video-streaming source an IP address - this obviously
> has to "come into the computer" via the Ethernet port,
> and that means through a USB server of some sort.

Unless the video source itself (be it a camera or A/D convertor) is  
network-enabled, the only way I know of would be to set up QT  
Streaming Server or similar on the computer that the source is  
attached to. A USB server isn't going to help with this. :-(

Ian


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May  3 17:03:53 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 07:03:53 +1000
Subject: Budget/checkbook example wanted
Message-ID: <f99b52860705031403p58cd6d29u996a3909e26d1c57@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I had an email today from a new Revolutionary who wants a checkbook /
budget stack to work with while he learns. Does anyone have such a
thing they would be willing to share? If so, please email me a link or
send me the stack off-list.

Many thanks,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May  3 17:08:07 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 07:08:07 +1000
Subject: Urgently!!!! How can I use runrev 2.5.1 send or receive Data or
	File by Bluetooth or Pop-port USB from Mobile Phone to my computer?
In-Reply-To: <20070503115132422214.32189962@sonsothunder.com>
References: <680dfa960705030341t63402185m756a809019942eb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070503115132422214.32189962@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705031408w2cab7ceco492ca7fd667cadb3@mail.gmail.com>

> >    I want to know that runrev v.2.5.1 can use Bluetooth or Pop-port USB
> > from Notebook or Desktop in order to send or receive Data or File from
> > Mobile Phone. Please tell or suggest me. And if can do how to build or use?
> > Please help me. Urgently!!!!!!!
>
> Supote, I wish I could give you a concrete answer... I know that Rev
> has been used in connection with certain USB devices to send/receive
> data, in fact there's specific support for Revolution in the B&K (Bonig
> and Kallenbach) Service USB product
> (http://www.bkohg.com/products.html), but I don't think that will work
> with mobile phones. Others here have done some more simple USB
> connections (Sarah, did you do one?).

No sorry. I've only done serial communications using a USB to serial
device. I haven't done any actual USB or Bluetooth comms. I don't
think either would be possible without an external.

Sarah


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu May  3 17:32:17 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 22:32:17 +0100
Subject: Urgently!!!! How can I use runrev 2.5.1 send or receive Data or
	File by Bluetooth or Pop-port USB from Mobile Phone to my computer?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705031408w2cab7ceco492ca7fd667cadb3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <680dfa960705030341t63402185m756a809019942eb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070503115132422214.32189962@sonsothunder.com>
	<f99b52860705031408w2cab7ceco492ca7fd667cadb3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013D730E-1854-46A3-A871-CFE14A4B9CEC@azurevision.co.uk>


On 3 May 2007, at 22:08, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> No sorry. I've only done serial communications using a USB to serial
> device. I haven't done any actual USB or Bluetooth comms. I don't
> think either would be possible without an external.

Bluetooth can in theory be accessed via a virtual serial port, but  
you going to get and send raw data. Going from there to uploading/ 
downloading actual files is likely to be a bit... 'complex'.

Buried in the following link are instructions for setting up a  
virtual port on OS X:
<http://juju.org/articles/2006/10/22/bluetooth-serial-port-to-nxt-in- 
osx>

Ian


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Thu May  3 18:20:27 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:20:27 -0700
Subject: Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database Released
Message-ID: <006b01c78dd1$414cc520$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database Released

Stored Procedures, Linux Support and Advanced Server Features

May 3, 2007. Beaverton, Oregon-based Paradigma Software, Inc announces
release version 3 of Valentina Office Server and Valentina Developer Network
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu May  3 18:28:31 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 23:28:31 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <120910.95254.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <120910.95254.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <04A0C206-B363-481B-BCB4-D24A74367E60@anachreon.co.uk>

On 3 May 2007, at 20:37, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Luis wrote:
>
> "Well, you could use the Mac as a USB server..."
>
> Umm . . . and how would I go about assigning IP
> addresses to the USB ports?
>

No, you don't have to do that. Mind you, what I suggest is untested,  
although I have used it to pipe serial:

Pipe the USB stream to the ethernet port. This would be done via the  
shell.
Not sure if you'd need to send a signal to the cam to start streaming.
And then you'd have to figure where in /dev the USB cam is sitting...

> and:
>
> "I don't know what exactly you mean by old Mac
> printer/modem. Do you mean  ADB or parallel/serial?"
>
> I mean Serial.
>
> It was perfectly possible to connect 2 pre-PPC Macs
> together with a cable that connected the 2 printer
> ports.

Ah, you mean the ADB 'serial', with AppleTalk for the protocol.

No USB I gather...
Although an ADB to USB adapter might get you there.

PCI? Could grab some NICs from Ebay. If they're NuBus.... That's a  
little trickier.

I had a couple of the old dongles for ethernet lying around (for my  
IIci). If your Macs are that old I'll try to look for them.

Failing that, there is another option:

Strap a scanner to one of the older Mac monitors (scanner plugged  
into your Mac Mini).
Convert the data you want to send from the old Mac into a stream  
displayed on the monitor.
Read the data into the Mac Mini from the scanner and perform the  
appropriate conversion.
Don't sneeze.

Cheers,

Luis.



>
> What I would like to do is be able to connect a few
> tatty, old Macs I have lurking in my attic in Scotland
> to my PPC Mac Mini when I go over there in the summer.
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu May  3 22:28:24 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 19:28:24 -0700
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <120910.95254.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <120910.95254.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c26049d10ca8@[192.168.1.20]>

>Luis wrote:
>
>"Well, you could use the Mac as a USB server..."
>
>Umm . . . and how would I go about assigning IP
>addresses to the USB ports?
>

If you can put the drivers on the old machine, you can use the file 
sharing software to network it. Built in - at least on OS9. An 
original iMac or cube could do it.

At 8:37 PM +0100 5/3/07, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>What I would like to do is be able to connect a few
>tatty, old Macs I have lurking in my attic in Scotland
>to my PPC Mac Mini when I go over there in the summer.

Well, that's different. Why can't you use Ethernet between them, 
then? They're so old they don't have an Enet port?? Yikes. That could 
be a waste of time.


sqb
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From jeff at siphonophore.com  Thu May  3 23:06:03 2007
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 23:06:03 -0400
Subject: Starting an iMac 24" with remote keyboard
In-Reply-To: <20070503113949.D6E6A488F6E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070503113949.D6E6A488F6E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <39138474-A30D-4D99-8E4D-8D61123064D1@siphonophore.com>

Joe,

seemed very appropriate...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ&mode=related&search=

(sent to me by a client who does illuminated illustrations and she  
always jokes she is medieval with computers...)

cheers,

Jeffrey Reynolds



On May 3, 2007, at 7:39 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Jacque, Sarah,
>
> Thanks. I did finally find a Manual that showed where the button
> should be, though the manual is terrible. Tiny. Not one of Apple's
> finest hours. Anyway, I called him. Got his wife. She felt where I
> directed her and found it first time. You guys are priceless.
>
> Joe Wilkins



From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  4 02:08:05 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 23:08:05 -0700
Subject: Starting an iMac 24" with remote keyboard
In-Reply-To: <39138474-A30D-4D99-8E4D-8D61123064D1@siphonophore.com>
References: <20070503113949.D6E6A488F6E@mail.runrev.com>
	<39138474-A30D-4D99-8E4D-8D61123064D1@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <17BA0849-4516-483C-AE59-E4F66A9EC78D@cox.net>

Jeffrey,

You made my day. Isn't life a hoot?

Thanks,

Joe Wilkins

On May 3, 2007, at 8:06 PM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

> Joe,
>
> seemed very appropriate...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQHX-SjgQvQ&mode=related&search=
>
> (sent to me by a client who does illuminated illustrations and she  
> always jokes she is medieval with computers...)
>
> cheers,
>
> Jeffrey Reynolds
>
>
>
> On May 3, 2007, at 7:39 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
> wrote:
>
>> Jacque, Sarah,
>>
>> Thanks. I did finally find a Manual that showed where the button
>> should be, though the manual is terrible. Tiny. Not one of Apple's
>> finest hours. Anyway, I called him. Got his wife. She felt where I
>> directed her and found it first time. You guys are priceless.
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri May  4 02:29:39 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 07:29:39 +0100 (BST)
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
Message-ID: <551105.11462.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"Strap a scanner to one of the older Mac monitors"

now, talking about DAFT :)

as I have a SCSI CD-ROM burner in my attic in Scotland
I will just make backups of all my "silly little MACS"
(about 5 at the last count - they breed, you know)
onto CD. Come to think of it . . . I have a SCSI PCI
card on my G4 Windtunnel just in case I get even more
"back-to-the-future".

LUIS:

I may yet strap a scanner to my face and plaster it
all over your e-mail :)

Love and muffled noises, Richmond Mathewson

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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri May  4 03:16:28 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 08:16:28 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Assigning IP addresses . . .
Message-ID: <20070504071628.14265.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ian Wood wrote:

"You can only assign IP addresses to devices that
understand Internet  
Protocol, i.e computers and network-aware devices such
as network  
printers, network scanners and NAS boxes. All those
things that have  
ethernet ports..."

That has been my point all along!

For instance:

On my home network I have a fairly plain, vanilla USB
printer hooked into my Router via an EdiMax (cheap and
not very cheerful, and a pain in the bum to set up
with Macs) printer server. My printer probably
wouldn't understand an IP address if it hit it in the
face (a lot of mixed metaphors and similes there) -
but the server thrives on IP addresses.

Hence the idea that one could assign an IP address to
some sort of USB-to-Ethernet server regardless of what
was plugged in at the far end.

Having read the Keyspan PDFs I found 2 things which
make this unworkable, at least with their product:

1. doesn't work with video - although does work with
digital cameras.

2. doesn't seem to allow the end-user to assign IP
addresses - does it all automatically: why do I
dislike machines that have sealed boxes?

SO . . . I am now searching for a video-compliant
USB/Firewire-to-Ethernet server,

and, like a later-day Don Quixote I shall ride forth
with my BBC Micro under one arm, my SCSI PCI card
under the other and all sorts of ADB cables slung
around my waist . . . fear not! the outdated loony
cometh!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May  4 04:56:06 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 09:56:06 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <551105.11462.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <551105.11462.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <463AF526.8050000@anachreon.co.uk>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> "Strap a scanner to one of the older Mac monitors"
> 
> now, talking about DAFT :)

What? When you gotta make do, you gotta make do.
I've still got my metal detector in a matchbox somewhere...

> 
> as I have a SCSI CD-ROM burner in my attic in Scotland
> I will just make backups of all my "silly little MACS"
> (about 5 at the last count - they breed, you know)
> onto CD. Come to think of it . . . I have a SCSI PCI
> card on my G4 Windtunnel just in case I get even more
> "back-to-the-future".

SCSI to SCSI: You might be able to mount them as drives (as in shared 
folders).

> 
> LUIS:
> 
> I may yet strap a scanner to my face and plaster it
> all over your e-mail :)

Is it just me or does that just sound plain wrong?

Cheers,

Luis.


> 
> Love and muffled noises, Richmond Mathewson
> 
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Fri May  4 05:52:56 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 11:52:56 +0200
Subject: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?
Message-ID: <463B0275.D20CAFB9@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

Could someone be kind enough to advise a graphic lib that allows
(fast) 3D bussiness graphics with  Rev cgi (stuff like 3D bar-charts
with perspective)?
The ouput should be gif or jpg images to be integrated on-the-fly into
web pages generated from the same Rev cgi scripts.
I guess the main choice is one of the PHP libs...

Thanks in adance,
JB



From jamesjrichards at lineone.net  Fri May  4 05:32:38 2007
From: jamesjrichards at lineone.net (James Richards)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:32:38 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <101237.89434.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <101237.89434.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <e14bb17686dfb395a596260e3e40bfde@lineone.net>

Richmond,

A couple of links that might help with this:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=50512
http://lowendmac.com/network/bridge.shtml

Regards

James
--
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jamesjrichards at lineone.net

Tel. +44 (0)15394 43063
On 3 May, 2007, at 16:53, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> And, while I am being daft; does anybody know of some
> way to patch from an old-fashioned Mac printer/modem
> port to ethernet???
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri May  4 05:59:57 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:59:57 +0100
Subject: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?
In-Reply-To: <463B0275.D20CAFB9@club-internet.fr>
References: <463B0275.D20CAFB9@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <6A86BDF7-FE63-4813-B8EC-70DBB59E7ECD@azurevision.co.uk>

I've no idea if it would work with Rev CGI, but ArcadeEngine does a  
nice line in 3D barcharts etc.

Ian

On 4 May 2007, at 10:52, jbv wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> Could someone be kind enough to advise a graphic lib that allows
> (fast) 3D bussiness graphics with  Rev cgi (stuff like 3D bar-charts
> with perspective)?
> The ouput should be gif or jpg images to be integrated on-the-fly into
> web pages generated from the same Rev cgi scripts.
> I guess the main choice is one of the PHP libs...
>
> Thanks in adance,
> JB
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May  4 06:19:57 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 11:19:57 +0100
Subject: Assigning IP addresses . . .
In-Reply-To: <20070504071628.14265.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070504071628.14265.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <463B08CD.7090401@anachreon.co.uk>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> 
> On my home network I have a fairly plain, vanilla USB
> printer hooked into my Router via an EdiMax (cheap and
> not very cheerful, and a pain in the bum to set up
> with Macs) printer server. My printer probably
> wouldn't understand an IP address if it hit it in the
> face (a lot of mixed metaphors and similes there) -
> but the server thrives on IP addresses.

That's because it knows that it has to treat the USB data in a certain 
way, ie: convert it to ethernet packets.
And I agree, Edimax are pants.

> 
> Hence the idea that one could assign an IP address to
> some sort of USB-to-Ethernet server regardless of what
> was plugged in at the far end.

Yes, you can, but insofar as, for example, video data is sent into the 
USB part of the server, if it's expecting printer commands then that's 
what it's sent as.

> 
> Having read the Keyspan PDFs I found 2 things which
> make this unworkable, at least with their product:
> 
> 1. doesn't work with video - although does work with
> digital cameras.

I suppose the polling rate could be tweaked here.

> 
> 2. doesn't seem to allow the end-user to assign IP
> addresses - does it all automatically: why do I
> dislike machines that have sealed boxes?

Yeah, that's a bit poo, especially if you have more than one device 
attached.

> 
> SO . . . I am now searching for a video-compliant
> USB/Firewire-to-Ethernet server,

That'd be your Mac then...

> 
> and, like a later-day Don Quixote I shall ride forth
> with my BBC Micro under one arm, my SCSI PCI card
> under the other and all sorts of ADB cables slung
> around my waist . . . fear not! the outdated loony
> cometh!

Phasers on stun!

Cheers,

Luis.


> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> 
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> ____________________________________________________________
> 
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Fri May  4 07:35:43 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 13:35:43 +0200
Subject: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?
References: <463B0275.D20CAFB9@club-internet.fr>
	<6A86BDF7-FE63-4813-B8EC-70DBB59E7ECD@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <463B1A88.380DF460@club-internet.fr>



Ian ,

Thanks for your reply.

Is there any example of 3D barcharts generated with ArcadeEngine ?
And is ArcadeEngine compatible with Rev 2.5 ?

Thanks,
JB

> I've no idea if it would work with Rev CGI, but ArcadeEngine does a
> nice line in 3D barcharts etc.
>
> Ian



From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Fri May  4 08:42:59 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:42:59 +0200
Subject: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?
In-Reply-To: <463B1A88.380DF460@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <OFD01D6078.7C4CE406-ONC12572D1.00459F22-C12572D1.0045DB5A@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi BvG,

have you looked at SvG graphics? They sound like the right stuff for a 
cgi...

http://cairographics.org seems like a good place to start. There's also 
links for 3D Graphs and stuff...
There's other non-free libs but this one is compatibile with lots of other 
languages and it's free...
And svg graphics can be exported to other formats as well (links there 
too)...

cheers
---------------------=---------------------
Xavier Bury


use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 04/05/2007 13:35:43:

> 
> 
> Ian ,
> 
> Thanks for your reply.
> 
> Is there any example of 3D barcharts generated with ArcadeEngine ?
> And is ArcadeEngine compatible with Rev 2.5 ?
> 
> Thanks,
> JB
> 
> > I've no idea if it would work with Rev CGI, but ArcadeEngine does a
> > nice line in 3D barcharts etc.
> >
> > Ian
> 
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From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:51:05 +0200
Subject: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?
In-Reply-To: <OFD01D6078.7C4CE406-ONC12572D1.00459F22-C12572D1.0045DB5A@deutsche-boerse.com>
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Oops, sorry, i keep confusing svg, jbv and bvg ;)
---------------------=---------------------
Xavier Bury

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 04/05/2007 14:42:59:

> Hi BvG,
> 
> have you looked at SvG graphics? They sound like the right stuff for a 
> cgi...
> 
> http://cairographics.org seems like a good place to start. There's also 
> links for 3D Graphs and stuff...
> There's other non-free libs but this one is compatibile with lots of 
other 
> languages and it's free...
> And svg graphics can be exported to other formats as well (links there 
> too)...
> 
> cheers
> ---------------------=---------------------
> Xavier Bury
> 
> 
> use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 04/05/2007 13:35:43:
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> > 
> > Thanks,
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> > 
> > > I've no idea if it would work with Rev CGI, but ArcadeEngine does a
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri May  4 10:02:43 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 15:02:43 +0100 (BST)
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
Message-ID: <401210.49918.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I wrote:

"LUIS:
 
 I may yet strap a scanner to my face and plaster it
all over your e-mail :)"

and Luis wrote:

"Is it just me or does that just sound plain wrong?"

and, frankly, it is just Luis for the very simple
reason that my face does not have an IP Address, a USB
port or a FireWire port :)

having sunk to the depths of the remark about
strapping a scanner to my face I thought I might as
well go all the way :)

Of course we can debate the morality of such an action
endlessly - anyone for a quick class in computer
ethics? It sounds extremely tedious.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri May  4 10:17:37 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 15:17:37 +0100 (BST)
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
Message-ID: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

James Richards wrote:

"A couple of links that might help with this:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=50512
http://lowendmac.com/network/bridge.shtml"

Thank you very much - my digestive juices are now
flowing about an OLD Mac Laser printer which is (also)
rotting in my attic in Scotland, only through my lack
of knowledge as to how to patch it into an Ethernet
network. The printer has a refillable toner cartridge
(ECO or what?) and does an extremely good job,
especially where the standard USB printers from HP and
EPSON produce jaggy-whatnots.

The BIG question is do I hump my Performa 5230CD
(which had an 10base Ethernet card bunged in it
way-back-when) and run the Laser P through that (i.e.
Laser connected to Performa via printer port and
Performa connected to Router by LAN cable), or do I
get hold of a LocalTalk-to-Ethernet adapter?

Of course the other snag about using a socking great
Performa as a print server is that it will use quite a
large amount of power for rather unnecessary
activities.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

The same goes for my old Stylewriter II, which has
nothing intrinsically wrong with it- -apart from a
local-talk connector.

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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May  4 10:25:39 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 15:25:39 +0100
Subject: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?
In-Reply-To: <OFD01D6078.7C4CE406-ONC12572D1.00459F22-C12572D1.0045DB5A@deutsche-boerse.com>
References: <OFD01D6078.7C4CE406-ONC12572D1.00459F22-C12572D1.0045DB5A@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <463B4263.4080006@anachreon.co.uk>

From: http://www.runrev.com/section/features.php

'Beautiful vector graphics engine with SVG operators'

So the transition should be fairly painless.

Cheers,

Luis.


xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote:
> Hi BvG,
> 
> have you looked at SvG graphics? They sound like the right stuff for a 
> cgi...
> 
> http://cairographics.org seems like a good place to start. There's also 
> links for 3D Graphs and stuff...
> There's other non-free libs but this one is compatibile with lots of other 
> languages and it's free...
> And svg graphics can be exported to other formats as well (links there 
> too)...
> 
> cheers
> ---------------------=---------------------
> Xavier Bury
> 
> 
> use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 04/05/2007 13:35:43:
> 
>>
>> Ian ,
>>
>> Thanks for your reply.
>>
>> Is there any example of 3D barcharts generated with ArcadeEngine ?
>> And is ArcadeEngine compatible with Rev 2.5 ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JB
>>
>>> I've no idea if it would work with Rev CGI, but ArcadeEngine does a
>>> nice line in 3D barcharts etc.
>>>
>>> Ian
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May  4 10:29:41 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 15:29:41 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <463B4355.4010601@anachreon.co.uk>

Depending on the drive space you could also use it as a file server to 
back up your projects into.

You could put Linux on it and test Linux builds...

Cheers,

Luis.


Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> James Richards wrote:
> 
> "A couple of links that might help with this:
> http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=50512
> http://lowendmac.com/network/bridge.shtml"
> 
> Thank you very much - my digestive juices are now
> flowing about an OLD Mac Laser printer which is (also)
> rotting in my attic in Scotland, only through my lack
> of knowledge as to how to patch it into an Ethernet
> network. The printer has a refillable toner cartridge
> (ECO or what?) and does an extremely good job,
> especially where the standard USB printers from HP and
> EPSON produce jaggy-whatnots.
> 
> The BIG question is do I hump my Performa 5230CD
> (which had an 10base Ethernet card bunged in it
> way-back-when) and run the Laser P through that (i.e.
> Laser connected to Performa via printer port and
> Performa connected to Router by LAN cable), or do I
> get hold of a LocalTalk-to-Ethernet adapter?
> 
> Of course the other snag about using a socking great
> Performa as a print server is that it will use quite a
> large amount of power for rather unnecessary
> activities.
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> 
> The same goes for my old Stylewriter II, which has
> nothing intrinsically wrong with it- -apart from a
> local-talk connector.
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> 
> A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle.
> ____________________________________________________________
> 
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May  4 10:42:06 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 15:42:06 +0100
Subject: PPC Linux builds?
Message-ID: <463B463E.50309@anachreon.co.uk>

Got to thinking after a recent post: Does anyone know if the Linux 
builds are x86 only?
Many Linux distros are available on PPC platforms, check out Ubuntu, 
Fedora, SuSe, etc and let's not forget YellowDog Linux!

If the target is Linux x86 and PPC, would it take the form of a 
'Universal Binary' ala OS X or as independent standalone binaries?

Cheers,

Luis.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May  4 10:51:27 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 07:51:27 -0700
Subject: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?
Message-ID: <463B486F.1090304@fourthworld.com>

Luis wrote:
> From: http://www.runrev.com/section/features.php
> 
> 'Beautiful vector graphics engine with SVG operators'

This is news to me.  What do they mean?

Can someone from RunRev chime in here to explain how to tap into these 
"SVG operators"?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Fri May  4 11:03:03 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:03:03 -0300
Subject: PPC Linux builds?
In-Reply-To: <463B463E.50309@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <463B463E.50309@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D32B5F4E-7BEA-487E-9D9B-81FAAECF57FE@mac.com>

Luis,

there's no such thing as linux universal binaries, you get one  
platform or the other, no way to bundle them together. Rev is only  
for x86 IIRC.

andre

On May 4, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Luis wrote:

>
> If the target is Linux x86 and PPC, would it take the form of a  
> 'Universal Binary' ala OS X or as independent standalone binaries?



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May  4 11:08:37 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 16:08:37 +0100
Subject: PPC Linux builds?
In-Reply-To: <D32B5F4E-7BEA-487E-9D9B-81FAAECF57FE@mac.com>
References: <463B463E.50309@anachreon.co.uk>
	<D32B5F4E-7BEA-487E-9D9B-81FAAECF57FE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <463B4C75.8020009@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

I assumed as much, I haven't seen the concept bandied about in Linux sites.
Still would like to know about PPC builds, or is this for the next 
revision of the engine?

Cheers,

Luis.


Andre Garzia wrote:
> Luis,
> 
> there's no such thing as linux universal binaries, you get one platform 
> or the other, no way to bundle them together. Rev is only for x86 IIRC.
> 
> andre
> 
> On May 4, 2007, at 11:42 AM, Luis wrote:
> 
>>
>> If the target is Linux x86 and PPC, would it take the form of a 
>> 'Universal Binary' ala OS X or as independent standalone binaries?
> 
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From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Fri May  4 12:15:42 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 17:15:42 +0100
Subject: PPC Linux builds?
In-Reply-To: <463B4C75.8020009@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <463B463E.50309@anachreon.co.uk>	<D32B5F4E-7BEA-487E-9D9B-81FAAECF57FE@mac.com>
	<463B4C75.8020009@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <463B5C2E.7060505@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Luis wrote:
> Hiya,
> 
> I assumed as much, I haven't seen the concept bandied about in Linux sites.
> Still would like to know about PPC builds, or is this for the next 
> revision of the engine?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.

Luis,

"Way back when", there used to be a separate engine for PPC Linux, but 
it was dropped after version 2 (or thereabouts) as only a handful of 
people used it. That was back before Apple went to Intel, so it would be 
a big surprise to me if it were to make a comeback at this point.

Martin Baxter


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Fri May  4 13:01:41 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:01:41 -0400
Subject: Assigning IP addresses . . .
In-Reply-To: <20070504071628.14265.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OF3C49AB53.5E921E2F-ON852572D1.005D6566-852572D1.005C89F5@sealedair.com>

> Hence the idea that one could assign an IP address to
> some sort of USB-to-Ethernet server regardless of what
> was plugged in at the far end.

Expensive, but cool idea...
http://www.bb-elec.com/product.asp?SKU=ANYWHEREUSB/5

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri May  4 13:31:10 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:31:10 -0700
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>

Richmond, is your time so non-valuable you need to put yourself 
though this? These days when $250 will buy you a networkable color 
printer that you plug and play?

I've been there, done that. These kludges with old (older than 6 
years) hardware do nothing but drive you crazy and take up inordinate 
amounts of time. Always.

Example. Got the kids' old G4 Cube. Nice headless server. Runs OS X. 
But the 250 gig drive I put in it will only max out at 120 gigs 
because of firmware limitations. In spite of that, it's a pretty good 
server. But it is on the edge of it's life, and I'm sure it won't run 
OS10.5. It took a day to set up for various reasons.

Same with the old iMac from my daughter. The CD drive was out, so 
installing new software was a problem, it needs now rare and 
expensive RAM, needs WIFI and expanding the hard drive space had the 
same problem as above. I have the parts, but it was just taking too 
much time.


>James Richards wrote:
>
>"A couple of links that might help with this:
>Thank you very much - my digestive juices are now
>flowing about an OLD Mac Laser printer which is (also)
>rotting in my attic in Scotland, only through my lack
>o
>
>sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  4 13:36:56 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:36:56 -0700
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>
Message-ID: <7C091859-B39C-4C0F-AAA3-2BB0D52058F1@cox.net>

Stephen,

You're certainly right; but I'm sure with Richmond that it is the  
"challenge". As we get older, sometimes the challenges are as  
important to us as the time we have left to engage them.

Just my thought on the topic.

Joe  Wilkins

On May 4, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Richmond, is your time so non-valuable you need to put yourself  
> though this? These days when $250 will buy you a networkable color  
> printer that you plug and play?
>
> I've been there, done that. These kludges with old (older than 6  
> years) hardware do nothing but drive you crazy and take up  
> inordinate amounts of time. Always.
>
> Example. Got the kids' old G4 Cube. Nice headless server. Runs OS  
> X. But the 250 gig drive I put in it will only max out at 120 gigs  
> because of firmware limitations. In spite of that, it's a pretty  
> good server. But it is on the edge of it's life, and I'm sure it  
> won't run OS10.5. It took a day to set up for various reasons.
>
> Same with the old iMac from my daughter. The CD drive was out, so  
> installing new software was a problem, it needs now rare and  
> expensive RAM, needs WIFI and expanding the hard drive space had  
> the same problem as above. I have the parts, but it was just taking  
> too much time.
>
>
>> James Richards wrote:
>>
>> "A couple of links that might help with this:
>> Thank you very much - my digestive juices are now
>> flowing about an OLD Mac Laser printer which is (also)
>> rotting in my attic in Scotland, only through my lack
>> o
>>
>> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>>
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri May  4 13:51:45 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:51:45 -0700
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <7C091859-B39C-4C0F-AAA3-2BB0D52058F1@cox.net>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>
	<7C091859-B39C-4C0F-AAA3-2BB0D52058F1@cox.net>
Message-ID: <p06240802c26121eeafd1@[192.168.1.20]>

Anyone in the San Francisco area want to take away my old macintosh 
"challenges" away?? ha ha

I have a SE-30,9600,8100,7100,a wallstreet and two older Mac Laptops 
plus all the ADB and SCSI hardware you can eat, complete with a 
couple of old Pro Tools systems...

Not to mention a couple of complete Apple II computers and drives, 
one with a Atari game development system and board. Also every 
peripheral ever made for the II and the original 'Red Book'.

Any takers?

I didn't think so...

sqb


>Stephen,
>
>You're certainly right; but I'm sure with Richmond that it is the 
>"challenge". As we get older, sometimes the challenges are as 
>important to us as the time we have left to engage them.
>
>Just my thought on the topic.
>
>Joe  Wilkins

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Fri May  4 13:41:49 2007
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (ron)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:41:49 -0400
Subject: matchtext question using regex
In-Reply-To: <20070502154207338432.60c3b322@sonsothunder.com>
References: <20070502170007.5E7EF489016@mail.runrev.com>
	<4638D525.4070806@castandcrew.com>
	<20070502154207338432.60c3b322@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <20a267175838c26ca6bc49b72fe586c8@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Regex question for use in matchtext

I want to find word A followed by word B.  (quickly)
So:
put "this is my big dog called cat." into thetext
put "my.{0,5}dog" into reg

And
put matchtext(thetext,reg)
returns true because I use a period so it is counting characters but I 
need it to count words. I have tried various combinations of \b and \w 
to no avail.

Something like :
put "my([^ ]* ){0,5}dog" into reg
works but only for words followed by spaces, not punctuation for 
example. These could be included but surely there is a more elegant and 
faster way?

Can someone help me out with this?


BTW, is it true that setting the wholematches to true and using 
wordoffset only returns 'words' that are followed by a space? So that 
in the example sentence above, 'cat' is not found because it is 
followed by a period? Is this correct?


Thanks
Ron



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri May  4 14:01:09 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 20:01:09 +0200
Subject: Best graphic lib to use with Rev cgi ?
In-Reply-To: <463B486F.1090304@fourthworld.com>
References: <463B486F.1090304@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C4A71D2C-19B9-40FA-AEB9-B5F5BD73BEDE@major-k.de>

Hi Richard,

> Luis wrote:
>> From: http://www.runrev.com/section/features.php
>> 'Beautiful vector graphics engine with SVG operators'
>
> This is news to me.  What do they mean?
> Can someone from RunRev chime in here to explain how to tap into  
> these "SVG operators"?

I'm afraid this only applies to the new and now crossplatform INKS.

> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  4 14:07:15 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:07:15 -0700
Subject: Path problem with Standalone
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>
Message-ID: <144CEB89-9762-40A4-ABD9-F81D3CBDE6A8@cox.net>

Hi everyone,

At least I'm back to a stack that will build a standalone again; but  
when I try to add the files for my external aiff files, I cannot get  
the path to match the source path for the players. As an example: the  
first player's source path is:

/applications/Revolution Studio/2.8.0-gm-4/MusicFolder/MusicOne.aiff

but when I add the file with the Standalone setup dialog it only  
places part of the path for that file, like:

/2.8.0-gm-4/MusicFolder/MusicOne.aiff

So, when I build the standalone, the player doesn't play.

Instead of listing all of them with the Copy Files dialog, I tried  
checking the Browse for externals (or seach, whatever) in the General  
Dialog. No soup.

Any idea how I can get the full path to be used?

TIA,

Joe Wilkins




From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  4 14:11:30 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:11:30 -0700
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c26121eeafd1@[192.168.1.20]>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>
	<7C091859-B39C-4C0F-AAA3-2BB0D52058F1@cox.net>
	<p06240802c26121eeafd1@[192.168.1.20]>
Message-ID: <07B0D42D-367D-4183-B4C3-56AA7E96DEFE@cox.net>

Well, I can match you tit for tat plus some, but I figured they might  
one day be grist for a museum of some sort. Who knows, we may be back  
to using bows and arrows shortly if things don't improve in this  
crazy world of ours. Thanks for your sense of humor.

Joe Wilkins

On May 4, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Anyone in the San Francisco area want to take away my old macintosh  
> "challenges" away?? ha ha
>
> I have a SE-30,9600,8100,7100,a wallstreet and two older Mac  
> Laptops plus all the ADB and SCSI hardware you can eat, complete  
> with a couple of old Pro Tools systems...
>
> Not to mention a couple of complete Apple II computers and drives,  
> one with a Atari game development system and board. Also every  
> peripheral ever made for the II and the original 'Red Book'.
>
> Any takers?
>
> I didn't think so...
>
> sqb
>
>
>> Stephen,
>>
>> You're certainly right; but I'm sure with Richmond that it is the  
>> "challenge". As we get older, sometimes the challenges are as  
>> important to us as the time we have left to engage them.
>>
>> Just my thought on the topic.
>>
>> Joe  Wilkins



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri May  4 14:28:07 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 19:28:07 +0100 (BST)
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
Message-ID: <163068.93823.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:

"Richmond, is your time so non-valuable you need to
put yourself 
though this? These days when $250 will buy you a
networkable color 
printer that you plug and play?"

There are 4 interesting points about his remark:

1. I have a very nice Epson Stylus Photo R200 that
does everything we all want it to in my family via a
crappy Edimax printer server (c.f. earlier postings
under this heading).

2. I earn about $400 a month: i.e. about 4 times the
Bulgarian average (!!!!), or about the same as a
skilled surgeon. I have "expensive tastes" - i.e.
piano lessons for the kids, internet connexions, and
so forth - save nothing.

3. This posting had NOTHING at all to do with my real,
or imagined printing problems (there was a few side
remarks about how I might use an ancient Mac Laser
Printer - not because I didn't have another printer (I
have 2 here in Bulgaria) - but because I don't like
seeing machines lying idle and going to waste - and
because I'd rather driop my beverage of choice all
over a laser-printed sheet of paper than one from an
inkjet) - it started with an idea about how to stream
video into a RunRev stack without having to use
videoGrabber and QT/Windows Media. Inevitably (with
types like myself on board) it went badly off topic
into various nutty and not-so-nutty discussions about
how to utilise old stuff that at present resides in my
attic in Scotland and badly needs liberating.

4. Some of us ARE daft insofar as we don't see money
as the b-all-and-end-all, and I spend hours and hours
of my time working for free in a country that as a
charming diplomat once told me "is totally f****d" in
terms of infrastructure, morals and educational
chances for all but the richest kids - why? well, not
because I am daft, but because I passionately believe
that it is rather nice to give kids a chance of a
level playing field - what they do with it, is, by and
large, another story all together.

That is why I am going back to Scotland in the summer
to dig out all my old Macs from the attic and drive
them back here in a tatty old Citreon - so that
instead of gathering dust, they can be put to good use
helping kids with brains (and, frankly, parents with
rather smaller brains) get a leg up in life. The small
amount of "spare" money I have will pay for that trip
rather than any fancy printers and so on.

I'm sorry Stephen if that all sounds pompous and
self-righteous - its certainly not meant to - but
sometimes I have a feeling that not all people realise
that time isn't always money - sometimes it can be
other things.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

____________________________________________________________

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____________________________________________________________


		
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From wjm at wjm.org  Fri May  4 14:41:09 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 14:41:09 -0400
Subject: Path problem with Standalone
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com><p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>
	<144CEB89-9762-40A4-ABD9-F81D3CBDE6A8@cox.net>
Message-ID: <f1fuo6$vba$1@sea.gmane.org>

Joe,

In the case of a standalone, wouldn't you want the path to be as generic as 
possible? Your end-users are not likely to have a "2.8.0-gm-4/" directory. I 
haven't fiddled with this on Mac OS X, but I think Beta 7 has some 
improvements in the standalone building, as well.

FWIW, the best way to handle ancillary files in standalones is, I think, to 
load up the files as custom properties (they can be compressed) then at 
runtime drop them wherever you want them to reside. This keeps the stack 
self-contained and puts the needed files in a predictable location. 





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  4 15:20:40 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 14:20:40 -0500
Subject: Path problem with Standalone
In-Reply-To: <144CEB89-9762-40A4-ABD9-F81D3CBDE6A8@cox.net>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>
	<144CEB89-9762-40A4-ABD9-F81D3CBDE6A8@cox.net>
Message-ID: <463B8788.2010804@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> At least I'm back to a stack that will build a standalone again; but 
> when I try to add the files for my external aiff files, I cannot get the 
> path to match the source path for the players. As an example: the first 
> player's source path is:
> 
> /applications/Revolution Studio/2.8.0-gm-4/MusicFolder/MusicOne.aiff
> 
> but when I add the file with the Standalone setup dialog it only places 
> part of the path for that file, like:
> 
> /2.8.0-gm-4/MusicFolder/MusicOne.aiff

No matter how hard I try, I can't get that to happen. I tested with 
2.7.4, 2.8.0, and 2.8.1 beta. The full path is always there.

Regardless of path issues, note that the sound files will be copied 
inside your standalone bundle when you choose to "add files". (Go look 
inside the standalone bundle, I bet they are there in a folder called 
"2.8.0-gm-4"). If your players are hard-coded to the file's original 
location, they won't likely play on anyone else's machine though they 
should still play on your own machine if the paths are accurate. The 
file paths in the SB have nothing to do with the file paths you set in 
your player objects. The SB file paths only determine where the SB will 
copy additional files. It is up to you to assign the file paths to 
objects correctly.

If you really do want to play the files from their original locations, 
then don't bother to include the files in the standalone. (They will 
likely only play on your own machine in that case, no one else will have 
them.) If you do want the files included inside the bundle so that 
anyone can play them, then allow the SB to move them there (which it 
does when you choose to add files) and change your player file paths to 
relative paths, relative to the stack location. When testing in the IDE, 
you will need to have the audio files in a similar relative position to 
your stack.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From robmann at gp-racing.com  Fri May  4 15:34:32 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 15:34:32 -0400
Subject: limited time demo?
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAO2oWJhzLrVJgWEhquOkGLkBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

Are there any sample scripts showing how I should do this?

I was thinking of doing it like this 

On preopenstack

IF fld "dateopened" is empty THEN

     put the long system date into fld "dateopened"

     else

*      this is where I am having trouble want to check what is in fld
"datopened" and make sure it is not more than 30 days old if it is don't
open the stack and post a message

 

 

end if

 

 

 

Thanks

Rob

 

 



From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  4 15:46:49 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:46:49 -0700
Subject: Path problem with Standalone
In-Reply-To: <463B8788.2010804@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>
	<144CEB89-9762-40A4-ABD9-F81D3CBDE6A8@cox.net>
	<463B8788.2010804@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3A0B7C06-3D5E-41B1-9D5C-DD2317F1981F@cox.net>

Jacque, Bill:

Thanks for your time and patience. I'll digest what you've said and  
attempt to make it work. It's definitely not as simple as I had hoped  
and expected; but what is? Frankly, Jacque's explanation gives me  
more hope for it working as I think it should than does your's, Bill.  
They may be the same, but they seem different at first glance.

Thanks,

Joe Wilkins


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri May  4 15:58:52 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 12:58:52 -0700
Subject: limited time demo?
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAO2oWJhzLrVJgWEhquOkGLkBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAO2oWJhzLrVJgWEhquOkGLkBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <463B907C.9010004@pdslabs.net>

Hi Rob,

I've done this kind of thing before:

on preOpenStack
   -- first gain access to settings
   -- (assumes this is a standalone)
   put the filename of me into tPath
   set the itemDelimiter to slash
   if the platform = "MacOS" then
     delete item -4 to -1 of tPath
   else
     delete item -1 of tPath
   end if
   put "/mySettings.rev" after tPath

   -- second, make sure a 30-day time limit exists
   if the uTimeLimit of stack tPath = empty then
     set the uTimeLimit of stack tPath \
         to (the seconds + (60*60*24*30))
     save stack tPath
   end if

   -- third, check for expired time
   if the seconds > the uTimeLimit of stack tPath then
     answer "This demo has expired."
     quit
   end if

   -- keep going if all is OK
   pass preOpenStack
end preOpenStack


HTH -
Phil Davis


Robert Mann wrote:
> Are there any sample scripts showing how I should do this?
> 
> I was thinking of doing it like this 
> 
> On preopenstack
> 
> IF fld "dateopened" is empty THEN
> 
>      put the long system date into fld "dateopened"
> 
>      else
> 
> *      this is where I am having trouble want to check what is in fld
> "datopened" and make sure it is not more than 30 days old if it is don't
> open the stack and post a message
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> end if
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Rob


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May  4 16:15:13 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 13:15:13 -0700
Subject: limited time demo?
Message-ID: <463B9451.7000804@fourthworld.com>

Robert Mann wrote:

> Are there any sample scripts showing how I should do this?
> 
> I was thinking of doing it like this 
> 
> On preopenstack
> 
> IF fld "dateopened" is empty THEN
> 
>      put the long system date into fld "dateopened"
> 
>      else
> 
> *      this is where I am having trouble want to check what is in fld
> "datopened" and make sure it is not more than 30 days old if it is don't
> open the stack and post a message

I've written time-limited demos, and they're not only a lot of work but 
are difficult to be really secure with, and the security becomes even 
more onerous now that OSes have built-in ways to conveniently roll back 
systems.

Most of my apps use feature-limited demos, in which the program does at 
least something useful for free.  Not only are they simpler to write, 
but offer these marketing advantages:

1. Getting you app installed is the first step to making a sale.  If the 
app times out, that benefit goes away.  But if the app remains in use, 
every time it's used it serves as a marketing tool for you.  And giving 
away something useful for free means far more prospects will use it than 
a demo only.

2. The purchase price of most software is the smaller cost; far greater 
is the learning curve.  If your app does something useful for free, 
people will be willing to download it and use it, and in time perhaps 
even become dependent on it. Sooner or later they'll need something 
beyond what the free version offers, and with the commitment to using 
your product already in place the choice to pay for a license is a snap.


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  4 16:51:32 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 15:51:32 -0500
Subject: Path problem with Standalone
In-Reply-To: <3A0B7C06-3D5E-41B1-9D5C-DD2317F1981F@cox.net>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>	<144CEB89-9762-40A4-ABD9-F81D3CBDE6A8@cox.net>	<463B8788.2010804@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3A0B7C06-3D5E-41B1-9D5C-DD2317F1981F@cox.net>
Message-ID: <463B9CD4.60004@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> It's definitely not as simple as I had hoped nd expected; but what is? 

Story of my life. :) Actually, it really is simpler than it appears, but 
only if you know the underlying concepts. I think what you're getting 
stuck on are some concepts that HyperCard didn't have, so it's normal to 
be a little baffled.

The main thing here is the concept of a "defaultfolder". This is the 
directory where Rev (or your standalone) will start looking for files. 
When the engine starts up, the default folder is always the one that 
contains the application. In the IDE, this is the "Revolution" folder. 
In your standalone, it's the folder containing your standalone bundle 
(or on Windows, the folder with the executable.)

You can change the defaultFolder in a script. If you do that, the engine 
will use the newly specified folder to look for files if the file 
reference doesn't contain a full file path. If a player or a file 
reference does use a complete file path, then Rev will use that path 
without consulting the defaultFolder.

When you "add files" to a standalone, the SB will place the files (on OS 
X) inside the application bundle, next to the engine file, in:

   My Standalone/Contents/MacOS/

Since the default folder on launch will be the folder containing the 
standalone, a relative file path that will work in your players (on Mac 
OS X only) would be the above, with the file name appended:

  My Standalone/Contents/MacOS/myAudioFile.aif

During development though, you'll want to play your files for testing. 
If your players are set up with relative paths then the above will fail 
because those folders don't exist outside of standalones. You'll need to 
reproduce the relative folder structure inside your test folder (which 
in your case is the Rev folder, though I think that's not a great idea. 
But anyway.)

So for testing, you'd want to create these folders inside the Rev folder:

   My Standalone/Contents/MacOS/

and put your audio files in there. That matches the paths your 
standalone will use. But hardly anyone does it this way. It's too fussy. 
There's a better way.

Many of us use a little custom function to determine the path to the 
stack, which returns the right path regardless of whether you are are in 
the IDE or running a standalone (careful of text wrap):

function appPath theStackName -- return the path of the application
   if theStackName = "" then put the short name of this stack into 
theStackName
   put the effective filename of stack theStackName into thePath
   set the itemdel to "/"
   If (IsOSX()) then
     get offset(".app/Contents/MacOS/", thePath)
     if it > 0 then
       delete char it to len(thePath) of thePath
     end if
   end if
   delete last item of thePath
   return thePath &"/"
end appPath

function isOSX
   set the itemDelimiter to "."
   return (the platform = "MacOS" and item 1 of the systemVersion >= 10)
end isOSX


This pair of functions will always return the path to the stack, whether 
it is in stack form (during development) or inside the bundle in a 
standalone (which is where the SB will copy your audio files.) When you 
want to play back an audio file, just set the defaultFolder before any 
of the players load:

   set the defaultFolder to appPath()

To work, your players should use relative file paths. In this case, 
since we're using appPath(), you don't need any folder reference. Your 
relative file path will just be the name of the audio file. Dump all 
your audio files into the same folder as your stack for testing. Now the 
engine will look inside the bundle for the audio files, and if your 
player paths are relative ("myAudioFile.aif" without any folders) then 
it will find the file and play it. If you are running in the IDE, it 
will look in the stack's folder for the files because appPath() will 
return that path.

That's just one way, there are other things you can do instead of 
setting the defaultFolder. I more often use appPath() to construct a 
filepath dynamically in scripts. For example, when the standalone starts 
up you could set all your players to absolute paths right at the start:

  put appPath() & "myAudioFile.aif" into tPath
  set the filename of player 1 to tPath

Now you don't have to worry about the default folder, because you've 
just set the file name to an absolute path. The above will work in both 
development and standalones, provided your audio files are in the same 
folder as your stack.

Finally, having a lot of loose files like that is sort of messy, so I 
usually put them into a containing folder. Say you've got a folder 
called "Audio" and all your audio files are in there. The same rules 
apply as above, but instead of using just the filename with appPath() 
you'd add the containing folder as well:

   put appPath() & "Audio/myAudioFile.aif" into tPath

I can't recall whether the SB will move the files into the standalone 
inside a folder (I usually just do it manually) but if it doesn't, it's 
a pretty easy step to open the standalone bundle and add the folder 
yourself. Maybe someone else remembers.

Re-reading this, I'm not sure if I've made things clearer or murkier. 
Maybe just reading the docs on defaultFolder would be a better start. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May  4 16:52:59 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:52:59 -0700
Subject: Path problem with Standalone
In-Reply-To: <463B8788.2010804@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>
	<144CEB89-9762-40A4-ABD9-F81D3CBDE6A8@cox.net>
	<463B8788.2010804@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <A9BA65C7-42CF-4340-AF5E-5BF8F6522F91@cox.net>

Thanks to all of you. I didn't do exactly what I thought any of you  
said, but absorbing the essence of what you were saying led me to  
solve the problem. Now working from the Standalone. It was really  
pretty simple. I just needed to put the sound files folder into the  
folder where I was planning to save the standalone when it was built.  
This resolved all of the path issues; though I still had to use my  
fix in assigning the paths to the player objects - using the  
Application Browser rather than the object Inspector to identify each  
of the players source paths.

Joe Wilkins


From Stgoldberg at aol.com  Fri May  4 17:35:43 2007
From: Stgoldberg at aol.com (Stgoldberg at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 17:35:43 EDT
Subject: Problem setting Quicktime VR zoom, tilt,
	and pan settings through the property inspector
Message-ID: <c90.c677094.336d012f@aol.com>

I am trying to set the zoom, tilt, and pan settings for a Quicktime player by 
typing their values into the Quicktime player property inspector.   However, 
this does not seem to change anything.   I presently have to write a script to 
create the zoom, tilt, and pan settings.   Am I doing something wrong?   
Should one not be able change these settings directly through the player property 
inspector?   I'm using Rev 2.7.4 on a Mac OSX.   Thanks.
Steve Goldberg


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 See what's free at 
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri May  4 18:54:57 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 16:54:57 -0600
Subject: Path problem with Standalone
In-Reply-To: <463B9CD4.60004@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>	<144CEB89-9762-40A4-ABD9-F81D3CBDE6A8@cox.net>	<463B8788.2010804@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3A0B7C06-3D5E-41B1-9D5C-DD2317F1981F@cox.net>
	<463B9CD4.60004@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <99E921B2-34DD-494A-AC11-9C1365975280@byu.edu>


On May 4, 2007, at 2:51 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> When you "add files" to a standalone, the SB will place the files  
> (on OS X) inside the application bundle, next to the engine file, in:
>
>   My Standalone/Contents/MacOS/
>
> Since the default folder on launch will be the folder containing  
> the standalone, a relative file path that will work in your players  
> (on Mac OS X only) would be the above, with the file name appended:
>
>  My Standalone/Contents/MacOS/myAudioFile.aif

I would add one subtlety to Jacque's excellent summary regarding the  
defaultFolder: In an OS X standalone, the default folder on launch is  
the folder containing the application *bundle*. That is if you never  
set the defaultFolder in your stack. If, on the other hand, you  
explicitly set the defaultFolder to the folder containing your stack,  
using a function like Jacque's, the defaultFolder will be *inside*  
the application bundle at AppName/Contents/MacOS/. It's a subtle  
distinction, but a useful one.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May  4 19:22:39 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 00:22:39 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c26121eeafd1@[192.168.1.20]>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>
	<7C091859-B39C-4C0F-AAA3-2BB0D52058F1@cox.net>
	<p06240802c26121eeafd1@[192.168.1.20]>
Message-ID: <54E14EDB-E8A3-472B-BAF4-7DC7943645DD@anachreon.co.uk>

Ebay!

Or a museum!

Anyroad, sometimes we learn from the old.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 4 May 2007, at 18:51, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Anyone in the San Francisco area want to take away my old macintosh  
> "challenges" away?? ha ha
>
> I have a SE-30,9600,8100,7100,a wallstreet and two older Mac  
> Laptops plus all the ADB and SCSI hardware you can eat, complete  
> with a couple of old Pro Tools systems...
>
> Not to mention a couple of complete Apple II computers and drives,  
> one with a Atari game development system and board. Also every  
> peripheral ever made for the II and the original 'Red Book'.
>
> Any takers?
>
> I didn't think so...
>
> sqb
>
>
>> Stephen,
>>
>> You're certainly right; but I'm sure with Richmond that it is the  
>> "challenge". As we get older, sometimes the challenges are as  
>> important to us as the time we have left to engage them.
>>
>> Just my thought on the topic.
>>
>> Joe  Wilkins
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>
>
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May  4 19:31:57 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 00:31:57 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <163068.93823.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <163068.93823.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <97C3F34E-A85E-4B6B-BC58-D7B499C5A5ED@anachreon.co.uk>

Just leave the haggis behind... ;)

Cheers,

Luis.


On 4 May 2007, at 19:28, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
> "Richmond, is your time so non-valuable you need to
> put yourself
> though this? These days when $250 will buy you a
> networkable color
> printer that you plug and play?"
>
> There are 4 interesting points about his remark:
>
> 1. I have a very nice Epson Stylus Photo R200 that
> does everything we all want it to in my family via a
> crappy Edimax printer server (c.f. earlier postings
> under this heading).
>
> 2. I earn about $400 a month: i.e. about 4 times the
> Bulgarian average (!!!!), or about the same as a
> skilled surgeon. I have "expensive tastes" - i.e.
> piano lessons for the kids, internet connexions, and
> so forth - save nothing.
>
> 3. This posting had NOTHING at all to do with my real,
> or imagined printing problems (there was a few side
> remarks about how I might use an ancient Mac Laser
> Printer - not because I didn't have another printer (I
> have 2 here in Bulgaria) - but because I don't like
> seeing machines lying idle and going to waste - and
> because I'd rather driop my beverage of choice all
> over a laser-printed sheet of paper than one from an
> inkjet) - it started with an idea about how to stream
> video into a RunRev stack without having to use
> videoGrabber and QT/Windows Media. Inevitably (with
> types like myself on board) it went badly off topic
> into various nutty and not-so-nutty discussions about
> how to utilise old stuff that at present resides in my
> attic in Scotland and badly needs liberating.
>
> 4. Some of us ARE daft insofar as we don't see money
> as the b-all-and-end-all, and I spend hours and hours
> of my time working for free in a country that as a
> charming diplomat once told me "is totally f****d" in
> terms of infrastructure, morals and educational
> chances for all but the richest kids - why? well, not
> because I am daft, but because I passionately believe
> that it is rather nice to give kids a chance of a
> level playing field - what they do with it, is, by and
> large, another story all together.
>
> That is why I am going back to Scotland in the summer
> to dig out all my old Macs from the attic and drive
> them back here in a tatty old Citreon - so that
> instead of gathering dust, they can be put to good use
> helping kids with brains (and, frankly, parents with
> rather smaller brains) get a leg up in life. The small
> amount of "spare" money I have will pay for that trip
> rather than any fancy printers and so on.
>
> I'm sorry Stephen if that all sounds pompous and
> self-righteous - its certainly not meant to - but
> sometimes I have a feeling that not all people realise
> that time isn't always money - sometimes it can be
> other things.
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May  4 22:52:05 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 21:52:05 -0500
Subject: Path problem with Standalone
In-Reply-To: <99E921B2-34DD-494A-AC11-9C1365975280@byu.edu>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>	<144CEB89-9762-40A4-ABD9-F81D3CBDE6A8@cox.net>	<463B8788.2010804@hyperactivesw.com>	<3A0B7C06-3D5E-41B1-9D5C-DD2317F1981F@cox.net>	<463B9CD4.60004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<99E921B2-34DD-494A-AC11-9C1365975280@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <463BF155.6030309@hyperactivesw.com>

Devin Asay wrote:

> I would add one subtlety to Jacque's excellent summary regarding the 
> defaultFolder: In an OS X standalone, the default folder on launch is 
> the folder containing the application *bundle*. That is if you never set 
> the defaultFolder in your stack. If, on the other hand, you explicitly 
> set the defaultFolder to the folder containing your stack, using a 
> function like Jacque's, the defaultFolder will be *inside* the 
> application bundle at AppName/Contents/MacOS/. It's a subtle 
> distinction, but a useful one.

Thanks Devin. I think my explanation was so convoluted, even I didn't 
completely understand what I was saying when I was done. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bvlahos at mac.com  Sat May  5 00:27:54 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 21:27:54 -0700
Subject: Embedded stacks in Windows
Message-ID: <ef55caf85f4fedcfe2e2898c05ba1c41@mac.com>

I've noticed that under Windows, any included stacks show up as 
separate programs in the Task Manager. Is there a way to prevent this? 
My program should only appear as a single application to my users.

Bill Vlahos



From scott at cdroo.com  Sat May  5 00:34:40 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 14:34:40 +1000
Subject: limited time demo?
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAO2oWJhzLrVJgWEhquOkGLkBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <008101c78ece$b4832810$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

Rob,

Richard's suggestion of approaching the issue from a crippling point of view 
is an excellent one.  The problem with us technical types is that we see 
trial versions as a security issue and not as what they really are - 
marketing tools.  Once you start delving into protection via time limited 
demos it get's quite hairy as there are so many ways to circumvent this.  By 
all means use a time trial but use it in the knowledge that it can an may 
well (depending on how popular or application is) be bypassed by either the 
end user or a dedicated hacker (most often by "scene crackers").  It is 
*almost* impossible to add extra code in (I say almost because if it's 
something simple like a checkbox or a simple file save in a common format 
then it can often be patched too) and that makes it impossible to produce a 
real crack.  Research by software companies and Colin Messits famous 
experiment is one of the best and is often used in the industry.  See:

http://hackvan.com/pub/stig/articles/why-do-people-register-shareware.html

It's no mean feat in a lower level language to defeat crackers - it's even 
harder in a higher level language like Rev.  It's not Rev that's at fault, 
mind, but the nature of the tools.  Most MISV's (who are successful) that I 
know of  use some combination of of the above experiment and variations on 
time and licensing systems.  There are programs (for Windows) that create 
pretty good trial period software and though expensive they are *all* 
stripped and cracked routinely.  There are some things one an do and I'm in 
the process of writing something that I'll be sharing with the Rev community 
in an upcoming newsletter that address' some of the problems faced with 
serial numbers vs keygens and cracks.

Scott 



From scott at cdroo.com  Sat May  5 00:40:43 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 14:40:43 +1000
Subject: limited time demo?
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAO2oWJhzLrVJgWEhquOkGLkBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
	<008101c78ece$b4832810$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <008401c78ecf$8c883660$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

I should add that the article I provided a link to references the ASP's PONC 
policy (that prohibited crippling of software by members).  That policy was 
ditched ten years ago as developers became aware that the whole nature of 
the "end user" had changed from people who paid for trials because they 
respected the work of the programmer (circa 1978 - 1994) to people who 
didn't give a toss how hard you worked on it "just gimme!".  So not even the 
ASP is insisting (or has any policy) requiring no function limited trials.

Scott 



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat May  5 03:38:36 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:38:36 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
References: <008401c78ecf$8c883660$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <463C347B.000001.01180@MAZYTIS>

what software for easy drawing eye-candy diagrams (Tree diagrams, ER, block
diagrams from templates) do you usually use? I tried smartDraw (www
smartdraw.com) but for some reason it is very unstable and almost unusable
on my system, so decided to ask for your advice again on comparable
alternatives (MacOSX, Linux, Windows). Thanks in advance! 
 
Regards 
Viktoras 
 
 


From scott at cdroo.com  Sat May  5 03:53:30 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 17:53:30 +1000
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
References: <008401c78ecf$8c883660$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<463C347B.000001.01180@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <00d501c78eea$7c104140$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Viktoras Didziulis" <viktoras at ekoinf.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:38 PM
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives


> what software for easy drawing eye-candy diagrams (Tree diagrams, ER, 
> block
> diagrams from templates) do you usually use? I tried smartDraw (www
> smartdraw.com) but for some reason it is very unstable and almost unusable
> on my system, so decided to ask for your advice again on comparable
> alternatives (MacOSX, Linux, Windows). Thanks in advance!

Visio is nice (but expensive) for Windows only.  Available from M$ and I 
think there is a trial version on their website.

Scott Kane
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come."  Victor Hugo 



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May  5 04:29:24 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 09:29:24 +0100
Subject: valentina link
Message-ID: <200705050929.24449.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Anyone else tried this?  Doesn't work for me.

http://www.valentina-db.com/download/v4rev_3b1_lin.tar.gz

Peter


From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Sat May  5 05:26:10 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:26:10 +0100
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
Message-ID: <8FFE071F-910F-4016-8462-D2D12FAB58BB@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

OmniGraffle for OS X is very,  very nice.  It came free with my Macs.

On Windows/Solaris/HPUX there is VisualThought - which is  
abandonware, but they had the decency to produce a free license code  
for it when it was abandoned:

http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/graphics/diagramming/confluent/

Bernard

 > what software for easy drawing eye-candy diagrams (Tree diagrams, ER,
 > block
 > diagrams from templates) do you usually use? I tried smartDraw (www
 > smartdraw.com) but for some reason it is very unstable and almost  
unusable
 > on my system, so decided to ask for your advice again on comparable
 > alternatives (MacOSX, Linux, Windows). Thanks in advance!


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 05:41:46 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:41:46 +0100 (BST)
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
Message-ID: <772136.67186.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Luis:

I just had a wonderful idea: do you think you could
attach a USB port to a haggis and then assign it an IP
address by routing it through a USB server?

I mean, wouldn't it be fantastic if you could stream
chopped entrails, fat and spices into a RunRev stack
without having to use haggisGrabber?

[err . . . Oh Dear . . . I've given away the name of
my next great contribution to the wonderful world of
Revolution programming]

The thing that annoyed me about Stephen Barncard's
last post was the implication that everybody had $250
to spare, and that seriously outdated computers were
no use anymore.

One thing that is worth remembering is that RunRev 2.0
runs very well on an LC 475 and can be used to deliver
educational content. Obviously when one develops
educational software for older computers one has to
extremely careful not to get "drunk on graphics" and
so on - but an old LC III running System 7.5.5 is
virtually kid-proof, cheap and easy to maintain; and,
unlike running old Pentiums with Linux (which is what
I am doing at the moment) demands almost no specialist
computer know-how.

In parts of Africa (and elsewhere) there are kids who
have access to an electricity supply and not much
else. If folks like Stephen Barncard packed up their
old Macs and donated them to many of the educational
initiatives for Africa (Afghanistan, Iraq !!!!, and so
on) I could find a wider audience for the EFL stacks I
churn out at the moment - and the poor African kids
would be welcome to have them for nothing!

And, with a name like Luis (despite posting from the
UK) my answer to funny remarks about Haggis is:

Bung on the Salsa!!!

Love and muffled noises, Richmond Mathewson

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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May  5 05:45:40 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 12:45:40 +0300
Subject: valentina link
In-Reply-To: <200705050929.24449.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C2622CF4.71A1B%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/5/07 11:29 AM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

Hi Peter,

> Anyone else tried this?  Doesn't work for me.
> 
> http://www.valentina-db.com/download/v4rev_3b1_lin.tar.gz

This is dead link on beta 1

Try instead RELEASE 3.0 from here:

    http://www.valentina-db.com/en/products/download/V4REV

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Sat May  5 06:01:57 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 11:01:57 +0100
Subject: Embedded stacks in Windows
In-Reply-To: <ef55caf85f4fedcfe2e2898c05ba1c41@mac.com>
References: <ef55caf85f4fedcfe2e2898c05ba1c41@mac.com>
Message-ID: <463C5615.9040204@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Bill Vlahos wrote:
> I've noticed that under Windows, any included stacks show up as separate 
> programs in the Task Manager. Is there a way to prevent this? My program 
> should only appear as a single application to my users.
> 
> Bill Vlahos
> 

Bill,

Stacks whose mode is "modeless" don't show up in the taskbar.

Martin Baxter


From martinblackman at gmail.com  Sat May  5 06:00:04 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 18:00:04 +0800
Subject: Can a modal stack appear with visual effect ?
In-Reply-To: <236821.76633.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <236821.76633.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70705050300u36643e6u7c26fec0511dd80a@mail.gmail.com>

Hey yeah, thanks for the tip Richmond!

On 03/05/07, Richmond Mathewson <geradamas at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Richmond's Dirty Tricks Dept. here:
>
> just topLevel it
>
>   do the transition
>
> and then modal it again
>
>
> dunnit meself!
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Sat May  5 06:18:52 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 11:18:52 +0100
Subject: Put data in lines
Message-ID: <000c01c78efe$d0588cd0$0a01a8c0@workshop>

Hi , 

I'm using read from socket
 
example reply , can be max 999 values.


Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: CRLF

I wish to display in a updating field with the values shown as ,

0    234
1    456789
2    657483
3    4
4    3456473
5    1
6    0

I must be missing something , i used a repeat but its very slow on updating ?

Thanks in advance
Camm


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May  5 06:20:03 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 11:20:03 +0100
Subject: Clause in the Valentina License
Message-ID: <200705051120.03993.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Thanks for the link.  I always read license agreements before installing, and 
came on the following:

"EXPRESS LIMITATIONS ON WORKS THAT CONVERT VALENTINA DATABASES. 

"If your Work includes the ability to extract data from a Valentina Database 
and then transform, translate or convert the extracted data into another 
database format, including, but not exclusive to the following formats, such 
use, unless allowed under a separate, signed agreement between You and 
PARADIGMA, constitutes a breach of this Agreement: mySQL (or its successor 
products), IBM DB 2 (or its successor products), SQLite (including its 
successor products or derivations from the source code of SQLite), Firebird 
(including its successor products or derivatives from the source code of 
Firebird), any open source database, Filemaker, V12, Access. The limitation 
in the preceding sentence applies even if the work transforms, translates or 
converts into an intermediary format of any kind, including any form of text 
or XML. Contact PARADIGMA to inquire about waivers of this provision."

What is this saying exactly?  

Is it saying that if I write an application in Rev using Valentina for Rev, 
and provide the ability for my user to export his own data, that he has keyed 
in himself, into csv tables, with a view to enabling him to use his own data 
as he chooses in a different database, and not be tied forever to a Valentina 
database, then I have violated the terms of the license, and he has also if 
he uses the export feature?

And with regard to me, the potential buyer, is this by implication asserting 
that Paradigma has the right to impose post-sale restrictions on the use I 
may make of the product?  That is, it can technically be used to do some 
things, but it is sold with a post sale restriction on use which forbids 
anyone to do them?  Rather like, to take an obviously absurd example, I take 
my Sony DVD player home and discover that by opening the package I have 
agreed not to play any but Sony movies on it?

These restrictions have been generally ruled unlawful and anti-competitive in 
the EU for obvious reasons.

Peter


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May  5 06:36:55 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 13:36:55 +0300
Subject: Clause in the Valentina License
In-Reply-To: <200705051120.03993.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C26238F7.71A29%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/5/07 1:20 PM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Hi Peter,

The most correct explanation of this will give Lynn Fredricks.

I remember that exists a couple of restrictions in EULA, which prevent
developer from developing of ROYALTY FREE application which is ala-FileMaker
or ala-Access.

I.e. Paradigma of course do not want that somebody  have buy cheap ADK e.g.
V4REV for $200-300, develop FileMaker killer and start sale thousands of
copies without any royalty. Because Paradigma self develop such kind of
product - Valentina Studio.

But if you very want develop own kind of FileMaker-killer based on Valentina
engine - no problems - just contact Paradigma and make special contract for
this project. 

For any other products as Games, Educational, Accounting, Catalogs, and so
on, which are not **GENERAL-KIND DB MANAGER** you have no any issues.

-----------------------
Below EXPORT-issue was added into our EULA when one company that is our
competitor have integrate V4MD/Valentina engine into _own GUI General Kind
DBMS tool_ to import data from Valentina dbs.

We have told them 
    * we do not like this
    * remove this feature from your app or pay us royalty :)
    * or people can just use CVS export from Valentina Studio,
        then import CVS into your app.

They have agree to remove this feature from that app, and instead we
together develop open source import/export Utility that convert between few
data formats.

That is the story.

------------------------
So do not worry. We not going link you to Valentina format.
Valentina engine have easy to use
    Vcursor.ExportText()
    Vcursor.ImportText()

As well as ODBC driver to get data from Valentina db via ODBC.


> Thanks for the link.  I always read license agreements before installing, and
> came on the following:
> 
> "EXPRESS LIMITATIONS ON WORKS THAT CONVERT VALENTINA DATABASES.
> 
> "If your Work includes the ability to extract data from a Valentina Database
> and then transform, translate or convert the extracted data into another
> database format, including, but not exclusive to the following formats, such
> use, unless allowed under a separate, signed agreement between You and
> PARADIGMA, constitutes a breach of this Agreement: mySQL (or its successor
> products), IBM DB 2 (or its successor products), SQLite (including its
> successor products or derivations from the source code of SQLite), Firebird
> (including its successor products or derivatives from the source code of
> Firebird), any open source database, Filemaker, V12, Access. The limitation
> in the preceding sentence applies even if the work transforms, translates or
> converts into an intermediary format of any kind, including any form of text
> or XML. Contact PARADIGMA to inquire about waivers of this provision."
> 
> What is this saying exactly?
> 
> Is it saying that if I write an application in Rev using Valentina for Rev,
> and provide the ability for my user to export his own data, that he has keyed
> in himself, into csv tables, with a view to enabling him to use his own data
> as he chooses in a different database, and not be tied forever to a Valentina
> database, then I have violated the terms of the license, and he has also if
> he uses the export feature?
> 
> And with regard to me, the potential buyer, is this by implication asserting
> that Paradigma has the right to impose post-sale restrictions on the use I
> may make of the product?  That is, it can technically be used to do some
> things, but it is sold with a post sale restriction on use which forbids
> anyone to do them?  Rather like, to take an obviously absurd example, I take
> my Sony DVD player home and discover that by opening the package I have
> agreed not to play any but Sony movies on it?
> 
> These restrictions have been generally ruled unlawful and anti-competitive in
> the EU for obvious reasons.

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sat May  5 08:04:14 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 20:04:14 +0800
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c2611bf5496a@192.168.1.20>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@192.168.1.20>
Message-ID: <f73a98160705050504m5ef13572m69483c0195b846dc@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/5/07, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
>
>
> Example. Got the kids' old G4 Cube. Nice headless server. Runs OS X.
> But the 250 gig drive I put in it will only max out at 120 gigs
> because of firmware limitations.



Isn't this just a simple partition problem. I've got two early beige G3's.
These couldn't see beyond 6 or  8GB (cant' remember it was so long ago) but
I have two large HDs in both. The HDs have a bunch of partitions on them for
various reason, but the first partition, with the OS is only 6/8 GB, the
rest of the partitions are much much bigger. They work fine.

The benefit of partitioning your HD is that you can keep a pristine copy of
the OS on the 2nd partition, along with a copy of your favourite Disc
maintenance program. Whenever you suspect that the disc needs repair, just
restart on the second partition and run the Disc repair program. About twice
as fast as finding the CD, restarting off the CD and running the program off
the CD.

HTH


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 09:26:49 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 14:26:49 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Partition benefits . . .
Message-ID: <744473.41767.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:

"The benefit of partitioning your HD is that you can
keep a pristine copy of
the OS on the 2nd partition, along with a copy of your
favourite Disc
maintenance program. Whenever you suspect that the
disc needs repair, just
restart on the second partition and run the Disc
repair program. About twice
as fast as finding the CD, restarting off the CD and
running the program off
the CD."

An even faster solution, in my experience, is to
install Applejack:

http://applejack.sourceforge.net/

then, when things get a bit "grumpy" you just hold
down Command-S while you do a restart - this drops you
into the command-line interface and tells you what to
do.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat May  5 10:44:47 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 07:44:47 -0700
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
In-Reply-To: <8FFE071F-910F-4016-8462-D2D12FAB58BB@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
References: <8FFE071F-910F-4016-8462-D2D12FAB58BB@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c262489d2549@[192.168.1.103]>

I'll second that. I just used OmniGraffle to flowchart and visualize 
a really long convoluted handler.


>OmniGraffle for OS X is very,  very nice.  It came free with my Macs.
>

-- 


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s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sat May  5 10:46:51 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 15:46:51 +0100
Subject: Put data in lines
In-Reply-To: <000c01c78efe$d0588cd0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
References: <000c01c78efe$d0588cd0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <CB1905ED-E98A-4DC3-800F-6D257D3C9496@maseurope.net>

This works for the given string, and should be quick even with 999  
values:

on mouseUp
   put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " &  
CRLF into tRec
   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
   delete item 1 of tRec
   delete item -1 of tRec

   split tRec by ":" and "="
   combine tRec by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
   put tRec
end mouseUp

Best,

Mark

On 5 May 2007, at 11:18, Camm29 wrote:

> Hi ,
>
> I'm using read from socket
>
> example reply , can be max 999 values.
>
>
> Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: CRLF
>
> I wish to display in a updating field with the values shown as ,
>
> 0    234
> 1    456789
> 2    657483
> 3    4
> 4    3456473
> 5    1
> 6    0
>
> I must be missing something , i used a repeat but its very slow on  
> updating ?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Camm
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sat May  5 11:38:39 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 08:38:39 -0700
Subject: Clause in the Valentina License
In-Reply-To: <200705051120.03993.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200705051120.03993.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <021a01c78f2b$75bec230$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

> What is this saying exactly?  
> 
> Is it saying that if I write an application in Rev using 
> Valentina for Rev, and provide the ability for my user to 
> export his own data, that he has keyed in himself, into csv 
> tables, with a view to enabling him to use his own data as he 
> chooses in a different database, and not be tied forever to a 
> Valentina database, then I have violated the terms of the 
> license, and he has also if he uses the export feature?
> 
> And with regard to me, the potential buyer, is this by 
> implication asserting that Paradigma has the right to impose 
> post-sale restrictions on the use I may make of the product?  
> That is, it can technically be used to do some things, but it 
> is sold with a post sale restriction on use which forbids 
> anyone to do them?  Rather like, to take an obviously absurd 
> example, I take my Sony DVD player home and discover that by 
> opening the package I have agreed not to play any but Sony 
> movies on it?
> 
> These restrictions have been generally ruled unlawful and 
> anti-competitive in the EU for obvious reasons.

It means you cannot create a database translator to one of these formats and
utilize a "mid way" transformation into text to do so - claiming that once
the data is transformed into text, it isnt technically a translator because
text is an open format.

If you want to dump data into an XML file to give your customers some sort
of non-Valentina backup method, that doesn't violate these terms at all.
However if you create an XML translator and then create an external tool for
translating that XML into Firebird format, you would be in violation of this
agreement.

The Sony DVD player argument doesn't apply here, because effectively that
argues against all click-agree agreements, not our agreement in particular.
IP almost always comes with express rights that otherwise limited whatever
else you might want to do with it. Lets say you buy a Porky Pig DVD to watch
on your new Sony DVD player. Just because you've bought the DVD, you've
gotten a license to use the IP in a certain way - it doesn't come with the
right to pop it into your computer, make screenshots, then turn those
screenshots into T-shirts that you then go out and sell.

In this case - we don't want database translators made using this particular
version of Valentina, without permission. And yes, we've granted permission
before to do this very thing when its made proper business sense to do so
:-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat May  5 11:49:05 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 08:49:05 -0700
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <772136.67186.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <772136.67186.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240803c26248fd3bd0@[192.168.1.103]>

>
>The thing that annoyed me about Stephen Barncard's
>last post was the implication that everybody had $250
>to spare, and that seriously outdated computers were
>no use anymore.

That is not what I was implying. I don't have 2 DAYS to spare! It's a 
time/money/hassle factor.

Without sounding like ("folks like") a rich, elitist, SUV driving 
yuppie (of which I am none), I need to respond to this.

When it comes to using old printers this way, takes hours to cobble 
this stuff up, it's unproductive, depressing and frustrating. If it 
takes 2 8 hour days at $15/hour, one coulda bought a printer. And 
that's only if you are successful in finding all the drivers, 
re-installing system software, and getting the hardware happy. Most 
of us programmers make more than that or we'd be doing something 
else!!

  More than once I started a renovation project to find out the drive 
was toast. Then you have to find a forty MEGABYTE hard drive 
somewhere. or the power supply. Waste of time in most cases, except 
for perhaps educational purposes. Give a kid a high voltage device to 
take apart.

Look, I'm a pack rat. I have every computer and peripheral I ever 
owned since 1978. I'd love to find them all good homes. It just isn't 
going to happen. I'd rather worry about homeless cats and dogs.



At 10:41 AM +0100 5/5/07, poster wrote:
>else. If folks like Stephen Barncard packed up their
>old Macs and donated them to many of the educational
>initiatives for Africa (Afghanistan, Iraq !!!!, and so


And a noble intention and sentiment!

I'd love to do that. Are you sure something like that exists?
Please point me to the appropriate URL to an organization.

  The only 'overseas' this stuff seems destined for is to be 
dismantled in the third world where the environmental laws are less 
stringent.

And what are they going to use a Mac SE-30 for in Afghanastan, target 
practice? They don't run Windoze or DOS.

Actually, I'm keeping the SE-30; it is very useful. It's got an 
Ethernet card and is configured as an SMTP server. And the 
LaserWriter 16/600 PS monster in the hall is still working as a check 
printer.


And - let's not make this personal, ok?


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From bvg at mac.com  Sat May  5 12:28:07 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 18:28:07 +0200
Subject: Put data in lines
In-Reply-To: <CB1905ED-E98A-4DC3-800F-6D257D3C9496@maseurope.net>
References: <000c01c78efe$d0588cd0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<CB1905ED-E98A-4DC3-800F-6D257D3C9496@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <54d6a0f6b9e3a6579a885b96cf2c9ada@mac.com>

I always found arrays to be confusing, that's why I prefer this method :

on mouseUp
   put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF 
into x
   replace ":" with return in x
   replace "=" with space in x
   put line 2 to -2 of x
end mouseUp

A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines 
around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times 
faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling 
itself that is slower).

have fun
Bj?rnke

On 05 May 2007, at 16:46, Mark Smith wrote:

> This works for the given string, and should be quick even with 999 
> values:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF 
> into tRec
>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>   delete item 1 of tRec
>   delete item -1 of tRec
>
>   split tRec by ":" and "="
>   combine tRec by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
>   put tRec
> end mouseUp
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> On 5 May 2007, at 11:18, Camm29 wrote:
>
>> Hi ,
>>
>> I'm using read from socket
>>
>> example reply , can be max 999 values.
>>
>>
>> Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: CRLF
>>
>> I wish to display in a updating field with the values shown as ,
>>
>> 0    234
>> 1    456789
>> 2    657483
>> 3    4
>> 4    3456473
>> 5    1
>> 6    0
>>
>> I must be missing something , i used a repeat but its very slow on 
>> updating ?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>> Camm

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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 12:35:08 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 17:35:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
Message-ID: <190799.2355.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:

"And - let's not make this personal, ok?"

Err - why not? nothing like a down-n-dirty,
let's-get-bitchy personal thing :) Just hang-on a
minute while I pull my underpants over my face!

Of course not!

I do slightly wonder, though, why your objection to
old Macs is that they won't run DOS or Windows?  Early
Mac OS s (grammatically awkward, that) are freely
availabe for download. The Demo version of Metacard is
available.

I am not promoting Past-It Macs to teach kids from the
"other" world how to check their e-mails and surf the
internet - personally I think they are a lot better
off without the internet. I am promoting the use of
Past-It Macs as content delivery and reinforcement
machines to support EFL teaching, as well as other
subjects.

Of course, if you bother to trawl the internet it is
hopping with freely downloadable HyperCard stuff for
educational use - and the only real snag is that it is
all monochrome. The HC player is also freely
downloadable.

Many, many people now use various types of xTalk RADs
to develop educational software for either their
employers or for private educational ventures. It
seems that most of those resources are under-used
insofar as those that are not too resource-heavy could
be put onto Past-It Macs for the children previously
mentioned.

The remark about Time not always equalling money was
not personally aimed at you - more at anybody who
finds it rather difficult of somebody doing something
for something other than money. I, for one, get an
enormous "buzz" when I see kids suddenly have a
'Eureka' moment when they break through a conceptual
barrier: that does not stop me, however, asking their
parents to "cough up" the monthly fee!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 12:56:57 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 09:56:57 -0700
Subject: Put data in lines
In-Reply-To: <54d6a0f6b9e3a6579a885b96cf2c9ada@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C2620569.45C18%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
> itself that is slower).

I find that the array method as shown by Mark will work a bit faster than
the replace delimeters method, but you have to use a data list of about
10,000 to see the difference.  At 50000 lines of data, the replace takes
9-10 ticks, and the array method takes 6-7 ticks.  At 4000 lines, both will
show 0 ticks elapsed, which means less than half a tick.  Tick is about
1/60th of a second.

Mac G5 Duo, Rev 2.7.2 build 261

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/5/07 9:28 AM, "Bj?rnke von Gierke" <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> I always found arrays to be confusing, that's why I prefer this method :
> 
> on mouseUp
>    put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
> into x
>    replace ":" with return in x
>    replace "=" with space in x
>    put line 2 to -2 of x
> end mouseUp
> 
> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
> itself that is slower).
> 
> have fun
> Bj?rnke
> 
> On 05 May 2007, at 16:46, Mark Smith wrote:
> 
>> This works for the given string, and should be quick even with 999
>> values:
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>   put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>> into tRec
>>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>>   delete item 1 of tRec
>>   delete item -1 of tRec
>> 
>>   split tRec by ":" and "="
>>   combine tRec by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
>>   put tRec
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> On 5 May 2007, at 11:18, Camm29 wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi ,
>>> 
>>> I'm using read from socket
>>> 
>>> example reply , can be max 999 values.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: CRLF
>>> 
>>> I wish to display in a updating field with the values shown as ,
>>> 
>>> 0    234
>>> 1    456789
>>> 2    657483
>>> 3    4
>>> 4    3456473
>>> 5    1
>>> 6    0
>>> 
>>> I must be missing something , i used a repeat but its very slow on
>>> updating ?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Camm




From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Sat May  5 13:14:12 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 18:14:12 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c26248fd3bd0@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <772136.67186.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<p06240803c26248fd3bd0@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <463CBB64.30904@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Look, I'm a pack rat. I have every computer and peripheral I ever owned 
> since 1978. I'd love to find them all good homes. It just isn't going to 
> happen. I'd rather worry about homeless cats and dogs.

Don't you have a freecycle group (www.freecycle.org) where you live 
Stephen? Here in Cambridge UK people on the freecycle mailinglist give 
away old Mac and PC stuff, such as you've described, constantly, and 
here at least, there's almost always a taker for pretty much anything, 
you might be surprised.

Martin



From mark at maseurope.net  Sat May  5 13:36:40 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 18:36:40 +0100
Subject: Put data in lines
In-Reply-To: <54d6a0f6b9e3a6579a885b96cf2c9ada@mac.com>
References: <000c01c78efe$d0588cd0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<CB1905ED-E98A-4DC3-800F-6D257D3C9496@maseurope.net>
	<54d6a0f6b9e3a6579a885b96cf2c9ada@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2583E721-6E0D-453B-B491-99F943D96FC3@maseurope.net>

This is a good point, though it could be fixed with a <sort lines of  
theCombinedArray numeric>, but Bj?rnke's <replace> method is simpler  
and clearer.

Best,

Mark

On 5 May 2007, at 17:28, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> A problems with using arrays like that is that it will shuffle the  
> lines around somewhat randomly.



From Camm29 at tesco.net  Sat May  5 13:58:54 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 18:58:54 +0100
Subject: Put data in lines
References: <C2620569.45C18%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000401c78f3f$19041cc0$0a01a8c0@workshop>

Thanks ,
Jim , Bj?rnke and Mark for your comments and solution.

It's work great and fast !

One issue is that the next data string received may be longer or shorter ,
but it still must appear in the correct line !
(the system only sends changed data for a given line)

So , first 999 lines could be sent , then only 2 lines.
999 lines of data need to stay displayed  then only 2 lines data to change !

the line number is before the =
the data is after the =

Regards
Camm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: Put data in lines


> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
> itself that is slower).

I find that the array method as shown by Mark will work a bit faster than
the replace delimeters method, but you have to use a data list of about
10,000 to see the difference.  At 50000 lines of data, the replace takes
9-10 ticks, and the array method takes 6-7 ticks.  At 4000 lines, both will
show 0 ticks elapsed, which means less than half a tick.  Tick is about
1/60th of a second.

Mac G5 Duo, Rev 2.7.2 build 261

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/5/07 9:28 AM, "Bj?rnke von Gierke" <bvg at mac.com> wrote:

> I always found arrays to be confusing, that's why I prefer this method :
>
> on mouseUp
>    put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
> into x
>    replace ":" with return in x
>    replace "=" with space in x
>    put line 2 to -2 of x
> end mouseUp
>
> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
> itself that is slower).
>
> have fun
> Bj?rnke
>
> On 05 May 2007, at 16:46, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> This works for the given string, and should be quick even with 999
>> values:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>> into tRec
>>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>>   delete item 1 of tRec
>>   delete item -1 of tRec
>>
>>   split tRec by ":" and "="
>>   combine tRec by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
>>   put tRec
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 5 May 2007, at 11:18, Camm29 wrote:
>>
>>> Hi ,
>>>
>>> I'm using read from socket
>>>
>>> example reply , can be max 999 values.
>>>
>>>
>>> Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: CRLF
>>>
>>> I wish to display in a updating field with the values shown as ,
>>>
>>> 0    234
>>> 1    456789
>>> 2    657483
>>> 3    4
>>> 4    3456473
>>> 5    1
>>> 6    0
>>>
>>> I must be missing something , i used a repeat but its very slow on
>>> updating ?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance
>>> Camm


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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 14:18:46 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 11:18:46 -0700
Subject: Put data in lines
In-Reply-To: <000401c78f3f$19041cc0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <C2621896.45C1E%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Pretty simple if you use an array.
Lookup Union in the docs and it is a one-liner

Use the 'union' command to combine two arrays, eliminating duplicate
elements.
 you may have to play with the union command to get it just right (not
checked)

script goes something like this...
----------
local currDataArr

  put incomingStr into incmgArr
 split incmgArr by ":" and "="  --it is now an array

 get currDataArr
 union it with incmgArr
  combine it by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
put it into currDataArr  --local var that will keep this value
--the local var is faster than reading the field into a var

sort it by word 1  numeric of each
put it into fld display
--------------------------

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/5/07 10:58 AM, "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:

> Thanks ,
> Jim , Bj?rnke and Mark for your comments and solution.
> 
> It's work great and fast !
> 
> One issue is that the next data string received may be longer or shorter ,
> but it still must appear in the correct line !
> (the system only sends changed data for a given line)
> 
> So , first 999 lines could be sent , then only 2 lines.
> 999 lines of data need to stay displayed  then only 2 lines data to change !
> 
> the line number is before the =
> the data is after the =
> 
> Regards
> Camm
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Put data in lines
> 
> 
>> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
>> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
>> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
>> itself that is slower).
> 
> I find that the array method as shown by Mark will work a bit faster than
> the replace delimeters method, but you have to use a data list of about
> 10,000 to see the difference.  At 50000 lines of data, the replace takes
> 9-10 ticks, and the array method takes 6-7 ticks.  At 4000 lines, both will
> show 0 ticks elapsed, which means less than half a tick.  Tick is about
> 1/60th of a second.
> 
> Mac G5 Duo, Rev 2.7.2 build 261
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> 
> On 5/5/07 9:28 AM, "Bj?rnke von Gierke" <bvg at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> I always found arrays to be confusing, that's why I prefer this method :
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>    put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>> into x
>>    replace ":" with return in x
>>    replace "=" with space in x
>>    put line 2 to -2 of x
>> end mouseUp
>> 
>> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
>> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
>> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
>> itself that is slower).
>> 
>> have fun
>> Bj?rnke
>> 
>> On 05 May 2007, at 16:46, Mark Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> This works for the given string, and should be quick even with 999
>>> values:
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>>> into tRec
>>>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>>>   delete item 1 of tRec
>>>   delete item -1 of tRec
>>> 
>>>   split tRec by ":" and "="
>>>   combine tRec by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
>>>   put tRec
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> On 5 May 2007, at 11:18, Camm29 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi ,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm using read from socket
>>>> 
>>>> example reply , can be max 999 values.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: CRLF
>>>> 
>>>> I wish to display in a updating field with the values shown as ,
>>>> 
>>>> 0    234
>>>> 1    456789
>>>> 2    657483
>>>> 3    4
>>>> 4    3456473
>>>> 5    1
>>>> 6    0
>>>> 
>>>> I must be missing something , i used a repeat but its very slow on
>>>> updating ?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>> Camm
> 
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Sat May  5 14:27:20 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 19:27:20 +0100
Subject: Put data in lines
References: <C2621896.45C1E%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901c78f43$05f0dac0$0a01a8c0@workshop>

Jim ,

Great , thanks !

Camm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Put data in lines


Pretty simple if you use an array.
Lookup Union in the docs and it is a one-liner

Use the 'union' command to combine two arrays, eliminating duplicate
elements.
 you may have to play with the union command to get it just right (not
checked)

script goes something like this...
----------
local currDataArr

  put incomingStr into incmgArr
 split incmgArr by ":" and "="  --it is now an array

 get currDataArr
 union it with incmgArr
  combine it by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
put it into currDataArr  --local var that will keep this value
--the local var is faster than reading the field into a var

sort it by word 1  numeric of each
put it into fld display
--------------------------

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/5/07 10:58 AM, "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:

> Thanks ,
> Jim , Bj?rnke and Mark for your comments and solution.
>
> It's work great and fast !
>
> One issue is that the next data string received may be longer or shorter ,
> but it still must appear in the correct line !
> (the system only sends changed data for a given line)
>
> So , first 999 lines could be sent , then only 2 lines.
> 999 lines of data need to stay displayed  then only 2 lines data to change
!
>
> the line number is before the =
> the data is after the =
>
> Regards
> Camm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Put data in lines
>
>
>> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
>> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
>> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
>> itself that is slower).
>
> I find that the array method as shown by Mark will work a bit faster than
> the replace delimeters method, but you have to use a data list of about
> 10,000 to see the difference.  At 50000 lines of data, the replace takes
> 9-10 ticks, and the array method takes 6-7 ticks.  At 4000 lines, both
will
> show 0 ticks elapsed, which means less than half a tick.  Tick is about
> 1/60th of a second.
>
> Mac G5 Duo, Rev 2.7.2 build 261
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On 5/5/07 9:28 AM, "Bj?rnke von Gierke" <bvg at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> I always found arrays to be confusing, that's why I prefer this method :
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>> into x
>>    replace ":" with return in x
>>    replace "=" with space in x
>>    put line 2 to -2 of x
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
>> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
>> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
>> itself that is slower).
>>
>> have fun
>> Bj?rnke
>>
>> On 05 May 2007, at 16:46, Mark Smith wrote:
>>
>>> This works for the given string, and should be quick even with 999
>>> values:
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>>> into tRec
>>>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>>>   delete item 1 of tRec
>>>   delete item -1 of tRec
>>>
>>>   split tRec by ":" and "="
>>>   combine tRec by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
>>>   put tRec
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 5 May 2007, at 11:18, Camm29 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi ,
>>>>
>>>> I'm using read from socket
>>>>
>>>> example reply , can be max 999 values.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: CRLF
>>>>
>>>> I wish to display in a updating field with the values shown as ,
>>>>
>>>> 0    234
>>>> 1    456789
>>>> 2    657483
>>>> 3    4
>>>> 4    3456473
>>>> 5    1
>>>> 6    0
>>>>
>>>> I must be missing something , i used a repeat but its very slow on
>>>> updating ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>> Camm
>
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 15:31:09 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 20:31:09 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Beta 7 aka 420
Message-ID: <137624.83108.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Blast, just crashed my G4 - no obvious reason - maybe
a leaky sieve.

was streaming the BBC at the same time (Take The
Floor):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/radioscotland/programmes/takethefloor/

just the thing to speed along the xTalk for we
disestablished Scots who are uninterested in that
Hanoverian woman's visit to the Royal Colony of
Virginia (well, His Majesty Francis II

[http://www.defendersofscotland.org/monarch.htm]

didn't ratify or accede to those colonials' demands
for independence, did he.

Wonderful what a crashed Beta will do to one's
loyalties :)

love, Richmond

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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May  5 15:31:17 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 20:31:17 +0100
Subject: Clause in the Valentina License
Message-ID: <200705052031.17773.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Years ago at a now forgotten company a whimsical older manager was starting up 
a first class on databases.  What, he asked, is the most important thing to 
consider when inputting data into an application?

We young fellows stumbled around for a while, as you can imagine.  Finally he 
delivered himself of his accumulated wisdom, which has remained with me ever 
since.  "Never key any information into an application without knowing how 
you are going to get it out".  


If what the clause is saying is, you the developer may not use the embedded 
kit to create and sell a database engine + ide, a product in itself,  that 
competes with Valentina, that seems entirely reasonable.  It is exactly the 
problem Rev might have had if there were a cut down version of Studio, and a 
cheap or free player - effectively, you'd be letting loose a more or less 
equivalent version of the product for very little or no revenue.  No one 
could reasonably demand that you do that.   And given a choice, is the world 
better off with cheap versions, or with none (which in the end is the 
consequence of your being unable to restrict use in this way) most of us 
would say, better the cheap version with some restrictions.

But if what is being said is that once an end user has put his stuff in, you 
the developer may not use the kit to extract that data in a form which he can 
use in some other competing database, well, no thanks.  We need to get our 
priorities straight:  its his data.  Don't tell him what to do with it.

I was alerted to this by an organization who had keyed in several person-years 
work of their own intellectual property into a database with no export 
provisions.  When they wanted to get it out, the reply was, good luck writing 
your own programs, or pay us generously to do it.  Whose intellectual 
property was it?   We had no doubt, but there seemed to be some confusion in 
the mind of the application supplier.

Post sale restrictions on use, in the EU, are unrelated to copyright.  You 
cannot make derivative works, which are typically copyright violations, 
without approval of the holder.  That is quite different from post sales 
restrictions on use, which attempt to prevent you from using the purchased 
property in certain ways which are legally unobjectionable.

The reason why I cannot put images derived from the DVD on a T shirt without 
permission is copyright.  The reason why Sony cannot forbid me from using the 
player in any way I want after I've bought it, is that post sale restrictions 
on use are unenforceable in the EU.  But this does not mean I can use it to 
violate copyright.  That's an independent matter.

Take a tool - a plane or chisel for example.  A supplier cannot make two 
versions, a professional one and a DIY one, and solely by conditions on 
purchase, forbid professional carpenters from using the DIY one for purposes 
of trade.  Once people have bought things you can't tell them how to use 
them.  You can void their warranty.  You can exempt yourself from damages due 
to injury.  But you can't stop them.  I have often wondered doubtrfully 
whether, when Filemaker sells an academic version of Filemaker Advanced in 
the EU, and forbids the  buyer to sell works made with it, that would hold up 
in court if challenged by some enterprising university or charity.  It would 
perhaps be wise of both supplier and buyer not to insist on finding out.


Peter


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Sat May  5 15:50:06 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 22:50:06 +0300
Subject: Clause in the Valentina License
In-Reply-To: <200705052031.17773.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C262BA9E.71A91%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 5/5/07 10:31 PM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> I was alerted to this by an organization who had keyed in several person-years
> work of their own intellectual property into a database with no export
> provisions.  When they wanted to get it out, the reply was, good luck writing
> your own programs, or pay us generously to do it.  Whose intellectual
> property was it?   We had no doubt, but there seemed to be some confusion in
> the mind of the application supplier.

Hi Peter,

Once again. 

Valentina for Revolution ADK, already have built-in features to

1) export/import into TEXT File with any column/line delimiter.

2) export/import into XML format

3) export/import into SQL format.

You CAN use all this in your NON-GENERAL-DBMS application.
Otherwise why we make all this?!  :-)

Issue solved?

-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 15:53:28 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 20:53:28 +0100 (BST)
Subject: FOCUSsing after TEXT
Message-ID: <755821.90581.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wisht to focus the cursor in a field after some text:

Help (in Build 420) has this:

"If the object is an unlocked field, the insertion
point is placed after the text in the field."

so set to find out how to do this:

nothing in the documentation that I could find under
LOCK

went back to RR 1.1.1 (!!!!!!!!) and found quite a bit

[Now don't tell me that the reason that that is not
now documented is because everybody knows that by now
- won't wash]

slightly more in RR 2.0.1

vanished in RR 2.6.1

however does not refer to text fields:

tried this:  set the locked of fld "F3" to false
                    focus on fld "F3"

still bungs the cursor in front of the text.  Oh Dear.

Would be grateful for guidance.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From chipp at chipp.com  Sat May  5 16:07:29 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 15:07:29 -0500
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
In-Reply-To: <463C347B.000001.01180@MAZYTIS>
References: <008401c78ecf$8c883660$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<463C347B.000001.01180@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705051307g4d232eefs407479f434475249@mail.gmail.com>

Believe it or not, I prefer Flash, as I can draw anything I like with it,
and over the years I have created libraries which help me diagram. Frankly,
I prefer Flash 4 as it's very simple to use. One of the great things about
Flash is that it autoscales print results to any device. So, the Flash doc
at:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/ChicagoTitleExtranet/ChicTitleBlueprint03.swf

prints out on large 4' wide plotters which makes for excellent
presentations.

-Chipp


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat May  5 16:31:35 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 13:31:35 -0700
Subject: FOCUSsing after TEXT
In-Reply-To: <755821.90581.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <755821.90581.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <463CE9A7.4030604@pdslabs.net>

Hi Richmond,

Try adding this line to the mix:

    select after fld "F3"

But then everybody knows that by now...  :o)

HTH -
Phil Davis


Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Wisht to focus the cursor in a field after some text:
> 
> Help (in Build 420) has this:
> 
> "If the object is an unlocked field, the insertion
> point is placed after the text in the field."
> 
> so set to find out how to do this:
> 
> nothing in the documentation that I could find under
> LOCK
> 
> went back to RR 1.1.1 (!!!!!!!!) and found quite a bit
> 
> [Now don't tell me that the reason that that is not
> now documented is because everybody knows that by now
> - won't wash]
> 
> slightly more in RR 2.0.1
> 
> vanished in RR 2.6.1
> 
> however does not refer to text fields:
> 
> tried this:  set the locked of fld "F3" to false
>                     focus on fld "F3"
> 
> still bungs the cursor in front of the text.  Oh Dear.
> 
> Would be grateful for guidance.
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> 
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May  5 16:34:15 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 13:34:15 -0700
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705051307g4d232eefs407479f434475249@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008401c78ecf$8c883660$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<463C347B.000001.01180@MAZYTIS>
	<7aa52a210705051307g4d232eefs407479f434475249@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EEADEF3-EFA8-43B3-8133-7FADB9B5046D@cox.net>

Chipp,

Can Flash be used for scaled drawings?

Joe Wilkins

On May 5, 2007, at 1:07 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Believe it or not, I prefer Flash, as I can draw anything I like  
> with it,
> and over the years I have created libraries which help me diagram.  
> Frankly,
> I prefer Flash 4 as it's very simple to use. One of the great  
> things about
> Flash is that it autoscales print results to any device. So, the  
> Flash doc
> at:
>
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/ChicagoTitleExtranet/ 
> ChicTitleBlueprint03.swf
>
> prints out on large 4' wide plotters which makes for excellent
> presentations.



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 16:47:39 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 21:47:39 +0100 (BST)
Subject: FOCUSsing after TEXT
Message-ID: <154766.61688.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Phil Davis wrote:

"Try adding this line to the mix:

    select after fld "F3"

But then everybody knows that by now...  :o)"

Thanks!

HOWEVER: that doesn't explain all that stuff about
unlocked fields

and "Documentary Insufficiency": Sounds like a
potentially serious condition>

Imagine:

A really rather good RAD that has, over time, become
sufficiently under-documented that new users are
unable to find out a large part of its capabilities
and how to use them. In fact, imagine that the
documentation refers to features or aspects of code
that don't really exist, function in the way
described, or otherwise; and the way to achieve the
feature that is documented is by using something quite
other.

[that reminds me; my fridge is beginning to smell
terrible; I think some yoghurt has "gone off"]

But then everybody has heard that one by now :o)


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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May  5 17:36:42 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 14:36:42 -0700
Subject: on returnkey doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <463BF155.6030309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@[192.168.1.20]>	<144CEB89-9762-40A4-ABD9-F81D3CBDE6A8@cox.net>	<463B8788.2010804@hyperactivesw.com>	<3A0B7C06-3D5E-41B1-9D5C-DD2317F1981F@cox.net>	<463B9CD4.60004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<99E921B2-34DD-494A-AC11-9C1365975280@byu.edu>
	<463BF155.6030309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <336AE977-095C-4516-916A-495563E4C195@cox.net>

Back, again with what could be a pretty stupid question, and...
this seems like a pretty elementary feature that should work, but  
doesn't - for me - right now.
Thoughts?

I've put the following into a card script and then tried it in a  
field script that would have an insertion point or some selected  
text. Essentially, I'm trying to identify which of the 45 text fields  
on a card is the one in which the user has just entered something, so  
that I can use the return key to go to the next field; the tab key  
works fine in this regard, but I'd like the return key to do the same  
thing. Each of these text fields only uses the first line, but if the  
return key is pressed now, it goes to the next line. Perhaps I should  
be using a different type of field; maybe a label instead?

on returnKey
    -- do anything; I tried a beep and as the dictionary said: go  
next cd; nothing happens
end returnKey

Then in a field
on returnField
   -- ditto
end returnField

TIA,

Joe Wilkins


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat May  5 17:44:44 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 07:44:44 +1000
Subject: on returnkey doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <336AE977-095C-4516-916A-495563E4C195@cox.net>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@192.168.1.20>
	<144CEB89-9762-40A4-ABD9-F81D3CBDE6A8@cox.net>
	<463B8788.2010804@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3A0B7C06-3D5E-41B1-9D5C-DD2317F1981F@cox.net>
	<463B9CD4.60004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<99E921B2-34DD-494A-AC11-9C1365975280@byu.edu>
	<463BF155.6030309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<336AE977-095C-4516-916A-495563E4C195@cox.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705051444w277ef29eid071c5921367aa69@mail.gmail.com>

> I've put the following into a card script and then tried it in a
> field script that would have an insertion point or some selected
> text. Essentially, I'm trying to identify which of the 45 text fields
> on a card is the one in which the user has just entered something, so
> that I can use the return key to go to the next field; the tab key
> works fine in this regard, but I'd like the return key to do the same
> thing. Each of these text fields only uses the first line, but if the
> return key is pressed now, it goes to the next line. Perhaps I should
> be using a different type of field; maybe a label instead?
>
> on returnKey
>     -- do anything; I tried a beep and as the dictionary said: go
> next cd; nothing happens
> end returnKey
>
> Then in a field
> on returnField
>    -- ditto
> end returnField
>

You need a "returnInField" handler to trap returns inside a field. You
might also need to check for "enterInField".

Cheers,
Sarah


From katir at hindu.org  Sat May  5 18:09:09 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 12:09:09 -1000
Subject: CGI Hung Process Help!
Message-ID: <463D0085.6060505@hindu.org>

I have some ancient CGI's that must be nearly 10 years old and
began when I was running metacard on the web server...

Some of these are hanging, not all the time, but just sometimes
  and appear as a "run away process" if you check "top" on the web server.
if I get 8 or ten of these, the server load approaches 10 and response times
for httpd start to slow down.

I'm having to manually go in and kill these every other day.

Recent CGI's which are we doing as stacks are not causing this problem.
On the other hand this particular one is a very high traffic form on our 
web site.

I don't think were are experiencing and DOS attacks as such, though form 
spam
bots used to fill this form out heavily until we put the "check for human"
visual clue (very simple version, not rotated and easily discernible
but it works) that must now be entered, which stopped the bots from
actually getting thru  (note the exit top to on the first data verify test)

Andre and I suspect possibly this email  segment

# now send invitation triggers to HPI  list server

   	put "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" into mprocess
       open process mprocess for write
       write "From:" && tDataIn ["email"] & cr to process mprocess
       write "To:" && "hpi_list-on at hindu.org" & cr to process mprocess
       write "Subject:" && "Subscribe"  & cr & cr to process mprocess
      close process mprocess
    # wait until the openprocesses is empty

We commented the wait (something I got
from Scott Raney in days of yore... wish he were here~!)

but that did not help...

Any one have any clues on what could cause
this CGI to leave a hung running instance of Rev on the
web server?

what would happen if someone attempted to dump a super
long test chunk into the comments field?

Thanks
Sivakatirswami

PS.

We are using 2.6.1 for Linux and praying to the IT gods
of Edinburgh for a new web server ready linux engine
  that will run on our Fedora Core II web box.

#!/usr/local/bin/revolution

on startup

## read in data and split into array

if $REQUEST_METHOD is "POST" then
		
	put "" into PostIn

	repeat until length(PostIn) >= $CONTENT_LENGTH
		read from stdin until ""
     		put it after PostIn
   	end repeat
   	
	put  urlDecode (PostIn)  into tDataIn
	
	
   	
	split tDataIn by "&" and "="
	put keys(tDataIn) into tFields
	
	set the casesensitive to false
	
	## human check first:
	
	if tDataIn["14_CheckForHuman"] <> "Karma" then
	put failHumanCheck() into tResponse
	 put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
  	 put "Content-Length:" && the length of tResponse & cr & cr
   	put tResponse
	
	exit to top
	end if

## Now check for missing fields


      	repeat for each line x in tFields
      	if (x is not among the items of 
"5_add2,9_foreign_state,10_Zip,12_Phone,13_Comments" ) then
            	if tDataIn[x] is empty then put x & "<br>" after missing_fields
       	end if
      	end repeat

      	if missing_fields is not empty then
          	sendUserFeedback (missing_fields)
      		exit startup
      	end if

# test email address is correct

	put isEmail(tDataIn ["email"] )  into emailCheck
	
	switch emailCheck
		 case "False"
			put badEmail() into tResponse
			break
		case "True"

# save data to file on server, pipe delimited, one record per line

	put "|" & the date &"|" into tSubmit

	sort lines of tFields numeric
	repeat for each line x in tFields
		put (tDataIn[x] & "|") after tSubmit
	end repeat
	put numToChar(166) after tSubmit

	put  tSubmit after url "file:../formdata/guestbook.dat"

# load response template and insert name
# and country specific response.

put tDataIn["2_First"] & " " & tDataIn["3_Last"] into vName
put  CountryResponseChunk(tDataIn["11_Country"]) into tCountryChunk

put url "file:../httpdocs/info/gstbk_responses/gstbk_thankyou.html" into 
tResponse

replace "###NAME###" with vName in tResponse
replace "###CountrySpecificResponse###" with tCountryChunk in tResponse
	
end switch

  	 put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
  	 put "Content-Length:" && the length of tResponse & cr & cr
   	put tResponse
   	
   	# now send invitations triggers to HPI and Gurudeva list serve
   	put "/usr/sbin/sendmail -t" into mprocess
       open process mprocess for write
       write "From:" && tDataIn ["email"] & cr to process mprocess
       write "To:" && "hpi_list-on at hindu.org" & cr to process mprocess
       write "Subject:" && "Subscribe"  & cr & cr to process mprocess
      close process mprocess
    # wait until the openprocesses is empty
   end if
end startup


# end of cgi, subroutines and functions follow

on sendUserFeedback missing_fields
  put "Sorry, please go back and fill in the following required fields:" 
& "<p>" & missing_fields into tResponse
  put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
   put "Content-Length:" && the length of tResponse & cr & cr
   put tResponse
end sendUserFeedback

function isEmail what
   return 
matchText(what,"^[A-z0-9_\-\.]+[@][A-z0-9_\-]+([.][A-z0-9_\-]+)+[A-z]$")
end isEmail

function badEmail
put "<html><head><Title>There is a problem with your email address!"\
& "</TITLE></HEAD><CENTER><BODY BGCOLOR=#ffffff> <FONT 
color=FF0000><h3>Sorry,"\
& "there was something wrong in the way you entered your email. <br>"\
& "Please go back and enter it again. Thank 
you.</H3></FONT></CENTER></BODY></HTML>" into fixYourEmail
return fixYourEmail
end badEmail

function failHumanCheck
put "<html><head><Title>Human Check Failed"\
& "</TITLE></HEAD><CENTER><BODY BGCOLOR=#ffffff> <FONT 
color=FF0000><h3>Sorry, "\
& "robots not allowed <br>"\
& "You must enter the word on the screen and then 
submit.</H3></FONT></CENTER></BODY></HTML>" into enterHumanCheck
return enterHumanCheck
end failHumanCheck


function CountryResponseChunk tCountry

replace " " with "_" in tCountry
put ("../httpdocs/info/gstbk_responses/" & tCountry & ".html") into 
tResponsePath
if (there is a file tResponsePath) then
  put url ("file:" & tResponsePath) into tCountryChunk
  return tCountryChunk
  else
put url 
("file:../httpdocs/info/gstbk_responses/all_other_countries.html") into 
tCountryChunk
  return tCountryChunk
end if

end CountryResponseChunk




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 18:11:37 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 15:11:37 -0700
Subject: on returnkey doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <336AE977-095C-4516-916A-495563E4C195@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C2624F29.45C2F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Using these two handler in a card script works fine:

card script
-----------------------
on returnKey
  go next
end returnKey

on returninfield
  put the seconds && " user hit return in " & the target
end returninfield

Without a returninfield override handler, then the "tab on return" as true
on  each field means that upon reaching the last visible line, the tab key
will be the effect.  Now the layer order of the fields controls the movement

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/5/07 2:36 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> Back, again with what could be a pretty stupid question, and...
> this seems like a pretty elementary feature that should work, but
> doesn't - for me - right now.
> Thoughts?
> 
> I've put the following into a card script and then tried it in a
> field script that would have an insertion point or some selected
> text. Essentially, I'm trying to identify which of the 45 text fields
> on a card is the one in which the user has just entered something, so
> that I can use the return key to go to the next field; the tab key
> works fine in this regard, but I'd like the return key to do the same
> thing. Each of these text fields only uses the first line, but if the
> return key is pressed now, it goes to the next line. Perhaps I should
> be using a different type of field; maybe a label instead?
> 
> on returnKey
>     -- do anything; I tried a beep and as the dictionary said: go
> next cd; nothing happens
> end returnKey
> 
> Then in a field
> on returnField
>    -- ditto
> end returnField
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Joe Wilkins
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat May  5 18:25:51 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 15:25:51 -0700
Subject: matchtext question using regex
In-Reply-To: <20a267175838c26ca6bc49b72fe586c8@yhb.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <C262527F.45C30%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

try studying the "|" symbol, which is OR
There are many ways of using it with strings and substrings and patterns.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/4/07 10:41 AM, "ron" <rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp> wrote:

> Regex question for use in matchtext
> 
> I want to find word A followed by word B.  (quickly)
> So:
> put "this is my big dog called cat." into thetext
> put "my.{0,5}dog" into reg
> 
> And
> put matchtext(thetext,reg)
> returns true because I use a period so it is counting characters but I
> need it to count words. I have tried various combinations of \b and \w
> to no avail.
> 
> Something like :
> put "my([^ ]* ){0,5}dog" into reg
> works but only for words followed by spaces, not punctuation for
> example. These could be included but surely there is a more elegant and
> faster way?
> 
> Can someone help me out with this?
> 
> 
> BTW, is it true that setting the wholematches to true and using
> wordoffset only returns 'words' that are followed by a space? So that
> in the example sentence above, 'cat' is not found because it is
> followed by a period? Is this correct?
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Ron
> 
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May  5 18:33:19 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 15:33:19 -0700
Subject: on returnkey doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <C2624F29.45C2F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2624F29.45C2F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C25DD6B6-134D-4A72-8E3D-ADA3F73EAFA4@cox.net>

Thanks, Jim. It was my poor eyesight once again. I didn't pick up  
that the documentary said "returninField"; I had used "returnField".

Joe Wilkins

On May 5, 2007, at 3:11 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Using these two handler in a card script works fine:
>
> card script
> -----------------------
> on returnKey
>   go next
> end returnKey
>
> on returninfield
>   put the seconds && " user hit return in " & the target
> end returninfield
>
> Without a returninfield override handler, then the "tab on return"  
> as true
> on  each field means that upon reaching the last visible line, the  
> tab key
> will be the effect.  Now the layer order of the fields controls the  
> movement
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On 5/5/07 2:36 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Back, again with what could be a pretty stupid question, and...
>> this seems like a pretty elementary feature that should work, but
>> doesn't - for me - right now.
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> I've put the following into a card script and then tried it in a
>> field script that would have an insertion point or some selected
>> text. Essentially, I'm trying to identify which of the 45 text fields
>> on a card is the one in which the user has just entered something, so
>> that I can use the return key to go to the next field; the tab key
>> works fine in this regard, but I'd like the return key to do the same
>> thing. Each of these text fields only uses the first line, but if the
>> return key is pressed now, it goes to the next line. Perhaps I should
>> be using a different type of field; maybe a label instead?
>>
>> on returnKey
>>     -- do anything; I tried a beep and as the dictionary said: go
>> next cd; nothing happens
>> end returnKey
>>
>> Then in a field
>> on returnField
>>    -- ditto
>> end returnField
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May  5 18:38:26 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 15:38:26 -0700
Subject: on returnkey doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705051444w277ef29eid071c5921367aa69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <969279.27747.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<p06240801c2611bf5496a@192.168.1.20>
	<144CEB89-9762-40A4-ABD9-F81D3CBDE6A8@cox.net>
	<463B8788.2010804@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3A0B7C06-3D5E-41B1-9D5C-DD2317F1981F@cox.net>
	<463B9CD4.60004@hyperactivesw.com>
	<99E921B2-34DD-494A-AC11-9C1365975280@byu.edu>
	<463BF155.6030309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<336AE977-095C-4516-916A-495563E4C195@cox.net>
	<f99b52860705051444w277ef29eid071c5921367aa69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2AA3CF3A-FE9C-4841-BC6B-851ADF5F8262@cox.net>

Sarah, you were included too. I just saw Jim's reply first. These  
damn eyes! For those of you who don't know, you might find it  
"interesting" to know that about 6 or 7 years ago my left eye  
developed a hole in its macula; so when I try to read that hole  
sometimes blanks out portions that I normally can see with my right  
eye alone. With just the left eye, I can see, but I can't read a  
thing. Very disturbing for one who has used his eyes as his most  
important sense.

Joe Wilkins

On May 5, 2007, at 2:44 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> I've put the following into a card script and then tried it in a
>> field script that would have an insertion point or some selected
>> text. Essentially, I'm trying to identify which of the 45 text fields
>> on a card is the one in which the user has just entered something, so
>> that I can use the return key to go to the next field; the tab key
>> works fine in this regard, but I'd like the return key to do the same
>> thing. Each of these text fields only uses the first line, but if the
>> return key is pressed now, it goes to the next line. Perhaps I should
>> be using a different type of field; maybe a label instead?
>>
>> on returnKey
>>     -- do anything; I tried a beep and as the dictionary said: go
>> next cd; nothing happens
>> end returnKey
>>
>> Then in a field
>> on returnField
>>    -- ditto
>> end returnField
>>
>
> You need a "returnInField" handler to trap returns inside a field. You
> might also need to check for "enterInField".
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Sat May  5 18:53:10 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 23:53:10 +0100
Subject: Clause in the Valentina License
In-Reply-To: <200705052031.17773.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200705052031.17773.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B61B7664-2B22-48AF-B448-7047E9A8F0B9@anachreon.co.uk>

That's the reason why I went for PostrgreSQL for Mac: http:// 
www.postgresqlformac.com/

OpenBase Solo (their free version, 5 user methinks) was extremely  
tempting, but I had already started on PostgreSQL: www.openbase.com

Cheers,

Luis.



On 5 May 2007, at 20:31, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> Years ago at a now forgotten company a whimsical older manager was  
> starting up
> a first class on databases.  What, he asked, is the most important  
> thing to
> consider when inputting data into an application?
>
> We young fellows stumbled around for a while, as you can imagine.   
> Finally he
> delivered himself of his accumulated wisdom, which has remained  
> with me ever
> since.  "Never key any information into an application without  
> knowing how
> you are going to get it out".
>
>
> If what the clause is saying is, you the developer may not use the  
> embedded
> kit to create and sell a database engine + ide, a product in  
> itself,  that
> competes with Valentina, that seems entirely reasonable.  It is  
> exactly the
> problem Rev might have had if there were a cut down version of  
> Studio, and a
> cheap or free player - effectively, you'd be letting loose a more  
> or less
> equivalent version of the product for very little or no revenue.   
> No one
> could reasonably demand that you do that.   And given a choice, is  
> the world
> better off with cheap versions, or with none (which in the end is the
> consequence of your being unable to restrict use in this way) most  
> of us
> would say, better the cheap version with some restrictions.
>
> But if what is being said is that once an end user has put his  
> stuff in, you
> the developer may not use the kit to extract that data in a form  
> which he can
> use in some other competing database, well, no thanks.  We need to  
> get our
> priorities straight:  its his data.  Don't tell him what to do with  
> it.
>
> I was alerted to this by an organization who had keyed in several  
> person-years
> work of their own intellectual property into a database with no export
> provisions.  When they wanted to get it out, the reply was, good  
> luck writing
> your own programs, or pay us generously to do it.  Whose intellectual
> property was it?   We had no doubt, but there seemed to be some  
> confusion in
> the mind of the application supplier.
>
> Post sale restrictions on use, in the EU, are unrelated to  
> copyright.  You
> cannot make derivative works, which are typically copyright  
> violations,
> without approval of the holder.  That is quite different from post  
> sales
> restrictions on use, which attempt to prevent you from using the  
> purchased
> property in certain ways which are legally unobjectionable.
>
> The reason why I cannot put images derived from the DVD on a T  
> shirt without
> permission is copyright.  The reason why Sony cannot forbid me from  
> using the
> player in any way I want after I've bought it, is that post sale  
> restrictions
> on use are unenforceable in the EU.  But this does not mean I can  
> use it to
> violate copyright.  That's an independent matter.
>
> Take a tool - a plane or chisel for example.  A supplier cannot  
> make two
> versions, a professional one and a DIY one, and solely by  
> conditions on
> purchase, forbid professional carpenters from using the DIY one for  
> purposes
> of trade.  Once people have bought things you can't tell them how  
> to use
> them.  You can void their warranty.  You can exempt yourself from  
> damages due
> to injury.  But you can't stop them.  I have often wondered  
> doubtrfully
> whether, when Filemaker sells an academic version of Filemaker  
> Advanced in
> the EU, and forbids the  buyer to sell works made with it, that  
> would hold up
> in court if challenged by some enterprising university or charity.   
> It would
> perhaps be wise of both supplier and buyer not to insist on finding  
> out.
>
>
> Peter
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Sat May  5 19:16:14 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 00:16:14 +0100
Subject: A daft idea about using a printerserver to import video . . .
In-Reply-To: <772136.67186.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <772136.67186.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <24F8F239-DD64-44FD-8857-E963B4EA4322@anachreon.co.uk>

On 5 May 2007, at 10:41, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Luis:
>
> I just had a wonderful idea: do you think you could
> attach a USB port to a haggis and then assign it an IP
> address by routing it through a USB server?
>

First, I'd check to see if some odd shaped mushrooms have gotten in  
with the usual batch.
Second, I wouldn't try unless it's USB 2. At the rate haggis offloads  
you need to be able to cope with that amount of deballasting.

> I mean, wouldn't it be fantastic if you could stream
> chopped entrails, fat and spices into a RunRev stack
> without having to use haggisGrabber?

Right there the name sounds a little dodgy... :)

>
> [err . . . Oh Dear . . . I've given away the name of
> my next great contribution to the wonderful world of
> Revolution programming]

It's taken, have a look at www.haggisgrabber.com
(made you look! :)

>
> The thing that annoyed me about Stephen Barncard's
> last post was the implication that everybody had $250
> to spare, and that seriously outdated computers were
> no use anymore.
>
> One thing that is worth remembering is that RunRev 2.0
> runs very well on an LC 475 and can be used to deliver
> educational content. Obviously when one develops
> educational software for older computers one has to
> extremely careful not to get "drunk on graphics" and
> so on - but an old LC III running System 7.5.5 is
> virtually kid-proof, cheap and easy to maintain; and,
> unlike running old Pentiums with Linux (which is what
> I am doing at the moment) demands almost no specialist
> computer know-how.
>
> In parts of Africa (and elsewhere) there are kids who
> have access to an electricity supply and not much
> else. If folks like Stephen Barncard packed up their
> old Macs and donated them to many of the educational
> initiatives for Africa (Afghanistan, Iraq !!!!, and so
> on) I could find a wider audience for the EFL stacks I
> churn out at the moment - and the poor African kids
> would be welcome to have them for nothing!
>
> And, with a name like Luis (despite posting from the
> UK) my answer to funny remarks about Haggis is:
>
> Bung on the Salsa!!!

:) I'm actually a quarter Scot!

Cheers,

Luis.


>
> Love and muffled noises, Richmond Mathewson
>
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From rgould8 at aol.com  Sat May  5 21:28:54 2007
From: rgould8 at aol.com (rgould8 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 21:28:54 -0400
Subject: Tiny, but fast hardware for running Rev app
Message-ID: <8C95D950B946A2D-BF4-45@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com>

  http://www.mini-tft.de/xtc-neu/index.php?cPath=1458w 
 
 http://www.mini-itx.com/ 
 
 
 I've been looking at really small PC hardware for running a Revolution app on, but this hardware needs to run in a somewhat temperature-sensitive environent, so I was hoping to investigate a "Flash-memory based hard-drive" solution, or something without a spinning HD motor. Anyone have any favorite hardware for such a feat? My basic needs are: Either USB or COM port for a device that needs to send barcode data to this terminal, plus a monitor output, plus a keyboard input.
  
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From robmann at gp-racing.com  Sat May  5 21:34:21 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 21:34:21 -0400
Subject: pictures stoed in v2 database
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAALpwC38Y68dAiM0uCTfP/l4BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

I have stored some pictures in my valentina 2 database I would like to be
able to display then within my rev application in a image fld

 

I tried this 

 

    put "SELECT * FROM pictures WHERE pictures.name= 'ctgFork01';" into
theSQL

    put revQueryDatabase(dbID, theSQL) into curID

     put revDatabaseColumnNamed(curID,"picture") into ctg1

     put ctg1 into image "ctg1"

 

but this just returns ctg1 as a number?

 

Thanks

Rob

 

 



From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Sun May  6 03:18:28 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 08:18:28 +0100
Subject: CGI Hung Process Help!
Message-ID: <7074318C-2308-4964-8F8D-AD2E33EE075D@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

Hi Sivakatirswami

I think the most important thing is that you introduce some simple  
logging mechanism into your code.  That way you can be you are  
correctly identifying the critical process that is causing your CGI  
to hang.

I can't stress to much the importance of such a logging mechanism.   
In fact, I liberally sprinkle all my code with logging statements.  I  
pass a logging statement and a positive number to my logging  
function.  If the number is lower than the logging threshold, the  
statement gets logged.  That way, I can turn of logging completely  
e.g. by having an environment variable or a global where the logging  
threshold is set to 0.  This kind of debugging aid is absolutely  
essential in server-side development.

At this stage of the game you only need to put a statement before and  
after the section that you and Andre suspect.  Then when your process  
hangs you just need to do:

tail /path/to/my/log

and you will see whether or not your CGI went into that suspect  
section and never came out again.  If so, then I would suggest you  
also log what was entered by the user, to find out what is causing  
the problem.  It could even be some weird combination of characters.

Then again, the problem may lie somewhere else entirely.

Bernard


> Andre and I suspect possibly this email  segment


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sun May  6 04:44:10 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 09:44:10 +0100
Subject: CGI Hung Process Help!
In-Reply-To: <463D0085.6060505@hindu.org>
References: <463D0085.6060505@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <95074EC6-3108-480C-8B64-F5E14B028F15@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 5 May 2007, at 23:09, Sivakatirswami wrote:

>
> 	repeat until length(PostIn) >= $CONTENT_LENGTH
> 		read from stdin until ""
>     		put it after PostIn
>   	end repeat
>

I'd suspect this part. I used to use this approach, but ran into  
trouble after moving some scripts to a new server. If something  
happens to stall the connection during the read process, you'll be in  
an endless loop, possibly with high CPU usage.

I've started using something like this. It puts a limit on how many  
"empty reads" happen before bailing out.  (I copied this quickly, and  
modified slightly to remove some application specific code. Check  
before using.):

local sPostdata = ""
local sDataRead = false
local sReadCount = 0
local sEmptyReadCount = 0
local sEmptyReadLimit = 200
local sShortRead = false


on startup

  readData
  repeat while sDataRead = false
     wait for messages
   end repeat
   if sShortRead then
        ## exit routine needed here
   end if

   ## carry on

end startup

on readData
    read from stdin for $CONTENT_LENGTH
    put it into tTemp
    add 1 to sReadCount
    if tTemp <> empty then
      put tTemp after sPostdata
     else
       add 1 to sEmptyReadCount

    end if
    if length(sPostdata) < $CONTENT_LENGTH then
      if sEmptyReadCount < sEmptyReadLimit then
        send readData to me in 50 milliseconds
      else
        put true into sDataRead
        put true into sShortRead
      end if
    else
      put true into sDataRead
    end if
end readData


From klaus at major-k.de  Sun May  6 07:27:22 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 13:27:22 +0200
Subject: VideoGrabber on IntelMac
Message-ID: <4DCF53B1-6CEA-45E3-9B60-B35B86FB592B@major-k.de>

Hello friends,

anyone succesfully attached an external iSight to an Intel Mac
and recorded a video?

I have an external iSight on my MacMini which works fine in iChat and  
QT Pro.
Means sound and video.

But there is no preview video in Rev with the "revvideograbber"  
external.
No videos can be recorded, BUT (strange enough) I can grab a valid  
snapshot
with the appropriate commands although there is no preview!?

Tested with Rev 2.8.0 gm4, Rev 2.8.1 dp5 (beta 7) and MetaCard (with  
the Rev 2.8 external).

Any hints are very welcome :-)


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From jc at spl21.net  Sun May  6 08:24:19 2007
From: jc at spl21.net (John Craig)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 13:24:19 +0100
Subject: Tiny, but fast hardware for running Rev app
In-Reply-To: <8C95D950B946A2D-BF4-45@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C95D950B946A2D-BF4-45@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <463DC8F3.5050206@spl21.net>

CF to IDE adapters are inexpensive - just pop one on the mother board 
and stick a CF card in. 
I got some on ebay a while ago - here's the first link that popped up in 
google;

http://www.digitalera.co.uk/product/cf-to-ide-adapter-direct.html


rgould8 at aol.com wrote:
>   http://www.mini-tft.de/xtc-neu/index.php?cPath=1458w 
>  
>  http://www.mini-itx.com/ 
>  
>  
>  I've been looking at really small PC hardware for running a Revolution app on, but this hardware needs to run in a somewhat temperature-sensitive environent, so I was hoping to investigate a "Flash-memory based hard-drive" solution, or something without a spinning HD motor. Anyone have any favorite hardware for such a feat? My basic needs are: Either USB or COM port for a device that needs to send barcode data to this terminal, plus a monitor output, plus a keyboard input.
>   
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From cszasz at mac.com  Sun May  6 09:06:17 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 09:06:17 -0400
Subject: Is there a Solution for this problem?
Message-ID: <C9784238-607A-44B3-9117-FF0B019CFA4A@mac.com>

I have entry fields that the user fills in with numbers by using the  
tab, return or enter keys. Each field is checked for a range of  
scores by catching the exit or close field. If the user enters a  
number that is above the range for the entry field, a dialog box  
appears warning them of the mistake and puts the focus back on the  
field.  Here is my question: I found that if the user uses the tab,  
return or enter keys to enter the data with fields and then goes back  
using the cursor and changes a data entry that is above above the  
range and instead of using the above keys then uses the mouse to  
click a Calculate button which computes the scores and goes to the  
next card, the error box does not appear but I get an execution  
error  in the standalone. How do you trap for this when the user does  
not use the tab, enter or return keys but uses the mouse to move the  
cursor to click on the calculate button?


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun May  6 10:18:29 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 07:18:29 -0700
Subject: Is there a Solution for this problem?
In-Reply-To: <C9784238-607A-44B3-9117-FF0B019CFA4A@mac.com>
References: <C9784238-607A-44B3-9117-FF0B019CFA4A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8691E2B0-C2D3-4ED4-BA68-568EF9DEE7CF@cox.net>

Hi Charles,

I'm sure someone else will provide a more elegant solution, but you  
may always validate the values within each of the fields as part of  
the operation of the Calculate button, correcting the inappropriate  
values prior to completing the calculation.

Joe Wilkins

On May 6, 2007, at 6:06 AM, Charles Szasz wrote:

> I have entry fields that the user fills in with numbers by using  
> the tab, return or enter keys. Each field is checked for a range of  
> scores by catching the exit or close field. If the user enters a  
> number that is above the range for the entry field, a dialog box  
> appears warning them of the mistake and puts the focus back on the  
> field.  Here is my question: I found that if the user uses the tab,  
> return or enter keys to enter the data with fields and then goes  
> back using the cursor and changes a data entry that is above above  
> the range and instead of using the above keys then uses the mouse  
> to click a Calculate button which computes the scores and goes to  
> the next card, the error box does not appear but I get an execution  
> error  in the standalone. How do you trap for this when the user  
> does not use the tab, enter or return keys but uses the mouse to  
> move the cursor to click on the calculate button?
>
>
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com
>
>
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun May  6 10:51:01 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:51:01 +0200
Subject: Is there a Solution for this problem?
In-Reply-To: <C9784238-607A-44B3-9117-FF0B019CFA4A@mac.com>
References: <C9784238-607A-44B3-9117-FF0B019CFA4A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4CF48369-C16D-4C46-8ECB-4002359364B6@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Charles,

 From an ergonomic point of view, it's probably not a very good idea to:
. Alert the user when he is wrong. I would not like a software that  
tells me: 'Be careful what you are doing, absent minded!' :-)
. Not to allow the user to use the Tab or Return keys as he is used  
to. I would think: 'Too bad. Does this guy know something about  
guidelines?'

Then another approach could be to just not let the user enter a  
*wrong* value.
To get you started, The "#020 How to master users data in entry  
boxes" tutorial might help you:
This stack shows you how to allow the user to type the data you  
expect according to a format in an entry box field.
Five examples are provided from a simple ZIP code to custom  
sophisticated formats.

You will access this tutorial through "Tutorials Picker" a free  
plugin that interfaces with the So Smart Software website in order to  
display all available tutorials stacks directly from the web.
You will find it by going to http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/.
Revolution/Plugins or Tutorials section.

For instance, in a field that would only accept digits lower than a  
given value:

on keydown pKey
   local tMaxValue
   -----
   put HigherScore() into tMaxValue -- max allowed value calculation
   if pKey is an integer and value(target & pKey) < tMaxValue then  
pass keydown
   beep -- I hate beeps but it's for demonstration ;-)
end keydown

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Le 6 mai 07 ? 15:06, Charles Szasz a ?crit :

> I have entry fields that the user fills in with numbers by using  
> the tab, return or enter keys. Each field is checked for a range of  
> scores by catching the exit or close field. If the user enters a  
> number that is above the range for the entry field, a dialog box  
> appears warning them of the mistake and puts the focus back on the  
> field.  Here is my question: I found that if the user uses the tab,  
> return or enter keys to enter the data with fields and then goes  
> back using the cursor and changes a data entry that is above above  
> the range and instead of using the above keys then uses the mouse  
> to click a Calculate button which computes the scores and goes to  
> the next card, the error box does not appear but I get an execution  
> error  in the standalone. How do you trap for this when the user  
> does not use the tab, enter or return keys but uses the mouse to  
> move the cursor to click on the calculate button?
>
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com

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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sun May  6 11:44:24 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 12:44:24 -0300
Subject: Tiny, but fast hardware for running Rev app
Message-ID: <463DF7D8.5080102@howsoft.com>

rgould8 at aol.com wrote:

>I've been looking at really small PC hardware for running a Revolution app on, but this hardware needs to run in a somewhat temperature-sensitive environent, so I was hoping to investigate a "Flash-memory based hard-drive" solution, or something without a spinning HD motor. Anyone have any favorite hardware for such a feat? My basic needs are: Either USB or COM port for a device that needs to send barcode data to this terminal, plus a monitor output, plus a keyboard input.

---------------------------------------
Puppy Linux can be run from a pendrive on a PC without an HD. It's really easy to set up, but you would need to prepare it on a computer with a CD-Rom drive. Also, if the HD-less computer could not be booted directly from USB, you would also need a floppy diskette drive to achieve the pendrive boot, but I imagine that in your particular case you would want to avoid this scenario.


Rev/Linux works as well in Puppy Linux (if not better) as it does in 
other distros.

So the flash-memory based solution is certainly very viable. As for the 
hardware, which is the main point of your question, I really don't have 
a ready-made answer. Perhaps other colleagues can help with this. One 
solution might be to assemble your own.

Regards,
Bob Warren


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sun May  6 11:48:32 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 08:48:32 -0700
Subject: Clause in the Valentina License
In-Reply-To: <200705052031.17773.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200705052031.17773.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <03c101c78ff6$00817780$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

> But if what is being said is that once an end user has put 
> his stuff in, you the developer may not use the kit to 
> extract that data in a form which he can use in some other 
> competing database, well, no thanks.  We need to get our 
> priorities straight:  its his data.  Don't tell him what to 
> do with it.

There is no restriction on exporting your data. You cannot incorporate the
runtime into a database translator without our permission. Those are two
different things entirely.

> Take a tool - a plane or chisel for example.  A supplier 
> cannot make two versions, a professional one and a DIY one, 
> and solely by conditions on purchase, forbid professional 
> carpenters from using the DIY one for purposes of trade.  
> Once people have bought things you can't tell them how to use 
> them.  You can void their warranty.  You can exempt yourself 
> from damages due to injury.  But you can't stop them.  I have 
> often wondered doubtrfully whether, when Filemaker sells an 
> academic version of Filemaker Advanced in the EU, and forbids 
> the  buyer to sell works made with it, that would hold up in 
> court if challenged by some enterprising university or 
> charity.  It would perhaps be wise of both supplier and buyer 
> not to insist on finding out.

Almost all vendors have academic licensing that are similar to this,
Revolution, REALbasic, Visual Studio, and the rest - and of course, you have
all of the "creation" products such as Adobe sells. Id be happy if this was
clarified under law - if academic pricing/restrictions were tossed out, it
would mean the end of academic skus.

The chisel/plane example I don't agree with - those tools are used to craft
a result - you don't embed portions of a chisel or plane into your woodwork.
Of course you COULD do this but then you'd need to buy a chisel for each one
of your projects.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Sun May  6 12:04:18 2007
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 10:04:18 -0600
Subject: 2.7 For Linux?
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0705060904s184e225fgc37d5f82210e54e4@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,
  I was wondering when the Revolution with support for Linux is supposed to
be released.  I realize that it is going to be in version 2.9 of Revolution,
but the current beta build is 2.8.1, does that mean that we are going to
have several updates under 2.8, and that the 2.9 release will be released
much later than I thought?  I guess what I am looking for is a general time
estimate until 2.9.  Is it weeks, months, a year?  Until then, is there any
way that I can use Revolution 2.6 to build a Linux version of my app even
though I don't have a 2.6 license?


  Thank You,
    Bridger Maxwell
    www.FieryFerret.com


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun May  6 12:06:46 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 09:06:46 -0700
Subject: closecard
In-Reply-To: <4CF48369-C16D-4C46-8ECB-4002359364B6@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <C9784238-607A-44B3-9117-FF0B019CFA4A@mac.com>
	<4CF48369-C16D-4C46-8ECB-4002359364B6@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <6F903F32-A2C2-4B08-9297-B4F05982B6E4@cox.net>

Any idea why an on closeCard handler in a card's script is not called  
when going to the next or previous card? I have some text being read  
when a certain card is opened. I would like it to stop when leaving  
that card. I put the following handler in the card's script:

on closeCard
    revStopSpeech -- I could check to see if isSpeaking, but see no  
reason to.
end closeCard

TIA,

Joe Wilkins


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun May  6 12:12:32 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 09:12:32 -0700
Subject: closecard
In-Reply-To: <6F903F32-A2C2-4B08-9297-B4F05982B6E4@cox.net>
References: <C9784238-607A-44B3-9117-FF0B019CFA4A@mac.com>
	<4CF48369-C16D-4C46-8ECB-4002359364B6@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<6F903F32-A2C2-4B08-9297-B4F05982B6E4@cox.net>
Message-ID: <D0EF9F07-1DEB-473C-B6AD-C388251605F4@cox.net>

Please ignore this post. I didn't notice that I had an earlier on  
closeCard handler in that card's script.

Joe Wilkins

On May 6, 2007, at 9:06 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Any idea why an on closeCard handler in a card's script is not  
> called when going to the next or previous card? I have some text  
> being read when a certain card is opened. I would like it to stop  
> when leaving that card. I put the following handler in the card's  
> script:
>
> on closeCard
>    revStopSpeech -- I could check to see if isSpeaking, but see no  
> reason to.
> end closeCard
>
> TIA,
>
> Joe Wilkins
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun May  6 12:36:22 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 11:36:22 -0500
Subject: Is there a Solution for this problem?
In-Reply-To: <C9784238-607A-44B3-9117-FF0B019CFA4A@mac.com>
References: <C9784238-607A-44B3-9117-FF0B019CFA4A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <463E0406.6040003@hyperactivesw.com>

Charles Szasz wrote:
> I have entry fields that the user fills in with numbers by using the 
> tab, return or enter keys. Each field is checked for a range of scores 
> by catching the exit or close field. If the user enters a number that is 
> above the range for the entry field, a dialog box appears warning them 
> of the mistake and puts the focus back on the field.  Here is my 
> question: I found that if the user uses the tab, return or enter keys to 
> enter the data with fields and then goes back using the cursor and 
> changes a data entry that is above above the range and instead of using 
> the above keys then uses the mouse to click a Calculate button which 
> computes the scores and goes to the next card, the error box does not 
> appear but I get an execution error  in the standalone. How do you trap 
> for this when the user does not use the tab, enter or return keys but 
> uses the mouse to move the cursor to click on the calculate button?

Due to the way Mac OS does focusing, an exitfield or closefield message 
is not always sent when the user clicks a button while a field is still 
selected. I had to work around this once by specifically sending a 
"closefield" message to the field before allowing the button script to 
execute. You could cycle through all your fields, checking their values, 
or you could do something like this:

   if the selectedfield is not empty then send "closefield" to the 
selectedfield

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun May  6 12:52:13 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 11:52:13 -0500
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
In-Reply-To: <4EEADEF3-EFA8-43B3-8133-7FADB9B5046D@cox.net>
References: <008401c78ecf$8c883660$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<463C347B.000001.01180@MAZYTIS>
	<7aa52a210705051307g4d232eefs407479f434475249@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EEADEF3-EFA8-43B3-8133-7FADB9B5046D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705060952r68f56e85s9a5a4799829a6240@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/5/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Chipp,
>
> Can Flash be used for scaled drawings?



Joe, I don't understand the question.


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun May  6 12:54:55 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 11:54:55 -0500
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705060952r68f56e85s9a5a4799829a6240@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008401c78ecf$8c883660$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<463C347B.000001.01180@MAZYTIS>
	<7aa52a210705051307g4d232eefs407479f434475249@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EEADEF3-EFA8-43B3-8133-7FADB9B5046D@cox.net>
	<7aa52a210705060952r68f56e85s9a5a4799829a6240@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705060954u15d7e0c2h4b161a3e4acaa286@mail.gmail.com>

Joe, perhaps you mean, 'can Flash be used to create architectural
drawings'-- like a CAD app. The answer to that is NO. There are no real
units in my version of Flash, and there certainly is not 'fillet' or
'chamfering' type tools. I wouldn't think anyone would use Flash to create
mechanical or architectural blueprints.

On 5/6/07, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>
> On 5/5/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > Chipp,
> >
> > Can Flash be used for scaled drawings?
>
>
>
> Joe, I don't understand the question.
>
>


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun May  6 13:01:47 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 10:01:47 -0700
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705060954u15d7e0c2h4b161a3e4acaa286@mail.gmail.com>
References: <008401c78ecf$8c883660$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<463C347B.000001.01180@MAZYTIS>
	<7aa52a210705051307g4d232eefs407479f434475249@mail.gmail.com>
	<4EEADEF3-EFA8-43B3-8133-7FADB9B5046D@cox.net>
	<7aa52a210705060952r68f56e85s9a5a4799829a6240@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705060954u15d7e0c2h4b161a3e4acaa286@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C87FD6A-7062-40F9-ACDE-45BBFBDEE9F9@cox.net>

Chipp,
Just curious as to what kind of drawings you CAN do with Flash.
Thanks,
Joe

On May 6, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Joe, perhaps you mean, 'can Flash be used to create architectural
> drawings'-- like a CAD app. The answer to that is NO. There are no  
> real
> units in my version of Flash, and there certainly is not 'fillet' or
> 'chamfering' type tools. I wouldn't think anyone would use Flash to  
> create
> mechanical or architectural blueprints.



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May  6 13:07:05 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 18:07:05 +0100
Subject: Tiny, but fast hardware for running Rev app
Message-ID: <200705061807.05280.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Lex lite, using the Via C3 processor.  

Not cheap, not fast (500mhz in the fanless form).  But, you can run it off a 
compact flash card, you could as Bob says put Puppy or DSL or a stripped down 
Debian with Fluxbox on it, or Fluxbuntu.  You could net boot it.  And its 
small.  External psu, which helps.


Peter


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun May  6 13:41:09 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 10:41:09 -0700
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
In-Reply-To: <4C87FD6A-7062-40F9-ACDE-45BBFBDEE9F9@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C2636145.45C72%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 5/6/07 10:01 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> Chipp,
> Just curious as to what kind of drawings you CAN do with Flash.
> Thanks,
> Joe
> 
My take is that it would not really good for the architectural tools you are
used to, Joe.  Not even close to Dreams, or the like.  Old versions of Flash
have a quite different way of working with drawing objects.  Takes getting
used to, and layer management is essential, but weak.

 Flash does have some amazingly good algorithms for rendering.  You might
think more about exporting from a good drawing program, then importing into
Flash.  Now you can apply Flash tools to get something that will render
precisely.

You could do a special effect of a before-home and an after-remodel where
Flash does all the 'tweening' calculations to animate the change!

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



> On May 6, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
> 
>> Joe, perhaps you mean, 'can Flash be used to create architectural
>> drawings'-- like a CAD app. The answer to that is NO. There are no
>> real
>> units in my version of Flash, and there certainly is not 'fillet' or
>> 'chamfering' type tools. I wouldn't think anyone would use Flash to
>> create
>> mechanical or architectural blueprints.
> 
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun May  6 13:50:56 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 10:50:56 -0700
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
In-Reply-To: <C2636145.45C72%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2636145.45C72%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <267250AE-3148-4DD9-ACC4-BFE0901B065F@cox.net>

Thanks for the observation, Jim. That was kind of what I thought  
might be possible, but not being familiar with Flash at all, had no  
idea exactly how it might be used. Is Flash expensive?

Joe

On May 6, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> On 5/6/07 10:01 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Chipp,
>> Just curious as to what kind of drawings you CAN do with Flash.
>> Thanks,
>> Joe
>>
> My take is that it would not really good for the architectural  
> tools you are
> used to, Joe.  Not even close to Dreams, or the like.  Old versions  
> of Flash
> have a quite different way of working with drawing objects.  Takes  
> getting
> used to, and layer management is essential, but weak.
>
>  Flash does have some amazingly good algorithms for rendering.  You  
> might
> think more about exporting from a good drawing program, then  
> importing into
> Flash.  Now you can apply Flash tools to get something that will  
> render
> precisely.
>
> You could do a special effect of a before-home and an after-remodel  
> where
> Flash does all the 'tweening' calculations to animate the change!
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas



From Camm29 at tesco.net  Sun May  6 14:43:08 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 19:43:08 +0100
Subject: Put data in lines
References: <C2621896.45C1E%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000801c7900e$7585e6c0$0a01a8c0@workshop>

Hi .

Had it working , sort of !

When data for a given line stops changing , the old original value appears ?
Then I found i'd missed "put it into currDataArr"
Now with "put it into currDataArr"  the old unchanging data lines vanish
with only the new changing data lines displayed !

Trying to do the following ,

The first data received is always 999 lines with data , from then only lines
with changing data is received.

I always need to display the 999 lines of received data , with updating data
for given lines received.

Also when receiving data , It's not possible to move the Scrollbar ?

Thanks in advance !!

Regards
Camm



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From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Put data in lines


Pretty simple if you use an array.
Lookup Union in the docs and it is a one-liner

Use the 'union' command to combine two arrays, eliminating duplicate
elements.
 you may have to play with the union command to get it just right (not
checked)

script goes something like this...
----------
local currDataArr

  put incomingStr into incmgArr
 split incmgArr by ":" and "="  --it is now an array

 get currDataArr
 union it with incmgArr
  combine it by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
put it into currDataArr  --local var that will keep this value
--the local var is faster than reading the field into a var

sort it by word 1  numeric of each
put it into fld display
--------------------------

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/5/07 10:58 AM, "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:

> Thanks ,
> Jim , Bj?rnke and Mark for your comments and solution.
>
> It's work great and fast !
>
> One issue is that the next data string received may be longer or shorter ,
> but it still must appear in the correct line !
> (the system only sends changed data for a given line)
>
> So , first 999 lines could be sent , then only 2 lines.
> 999 lines of data need to stay displayed  then only 2 lines data to change
!
>
> the line number is before the =
> the data is after the =
>
> Regards
> Camm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:56 PM
> Subject: Re: Put data in lines
>
>
>> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
>> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
>> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
>> itself that is slower).
>
> I find that the array method as shown by Mark will work a bit faster than
> the replace delimeters method, but you have to use a data list of about
> 10,000 to see the difference.  At 50000 lines of data, the replace takes
> 9-10 ticks, and the array method takes 6-7 ticks.  At 4000 lines, both
will
> show 0 ticks elapsed, which means less than half a tick.  Tick is about
> 1/60th of a second.
>
> Mac G5 Duo, Rev 2.7.2 build 261
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On 5/5/07 9:28 AM, "Bj?rnke von Gierke" <bvg at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> I always found arrays to be confusing, that's why I prefer this method :
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>> into x
>>    replace ":" with return in x
>>    replace "=" with space in x
>>    put line 2 to -2 of x
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
>> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
>> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
>> itself that is slower).
>>
>> have fun
>> Bj?rnke
>>
>> On 05 May 2007, at 16:46, Mark Smith wrote:
>>
>>> This works for the given string, and should be quick even with 999
>>> values:
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>>> into tRec
>>>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>>>   delete item 1 of tRec
>>>   delete item -1 of tRec
>>>
>>>   split tRec by ":" and "="
>>>   combine tRec by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
>>>   put tRec
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On 5 May 2007, at 11:18, Camm29 wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi ,
>>>>
>>>> I'm using read from socket
>>>>
>>>> example reply , can be max 999 values.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: CRLF
>>>>
>>>> I wish to display in a updating field with the values shown as ,
>>>>
>>>> 0    234
>>>> 1    456789
>>>> 2    657483
>>>> 3    4
>>>> 4    3456473
>>>> 5    1
>>>> 6    0
>>>>
>>>> I must be missing something , i used a repeat but its very slow on
>>>> updating ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>> Camm
>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun May  6 15:45:22 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 12:45:22 -0700
Subject: Put data in lines
In-Reply-To: <000801c7900e$7585e6c0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <C2637E62.45C7D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

You probably have the union command working in reverse.


On 5/6/07 11:43 AM, "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:

> Hi .
> 
> Had it working , sort of !
> 
> When data for a given line stops changing , the old original value appears ?
> Then I found i'd missed "put it into currDataArr"
> Now with "put it into currDataArr"  the old unchanging data lines vanish
> with only the new changing data lines displayed !
> 
> Trying to do the following ,
> 
> The first data received is always 999 lines with data , from then only lines
> with changing data is received.
> 
> I always need to display the 999 lines of received data , with updating data
> for given lines received.
> 
> Also when receiving data , It's not possible to move the Scrollbar ?
> 
> Thanks in advance !!
> 
> Regards
> Camm
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Put data in lines
> 
> 
> Pretty simple if you use an array.
> Lookup Union in the docs and it is a one-liner
> 
> Use the 'union' command to combine two arrays, eliminating duplicate
> elements.
>  you may have to play with the union command to get it just right (not
> checked)
> 
> script goes something like this...
> ----------
> local currDataArr
> 
>   put incomingStr into incmgArr
>  split incmgArr by ":" and "="  --it is now an array
> 
>  get currDataArr
>  union it with incmgArr
>   combine it by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
> put it into currDataArr  --local var that will keep this value
> --the local var is faster than reading the field into a var
> 
> sort it by word 1  numeric of each
> put it into fld display
> --------------------------
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> 
> On 5/5/07 10:58 AM, "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks ,
>> Jim , Bj?rnke and Mark for your comments and solution.
>> 
>> It's work great and fast !
>> 
>> One issue is that the next data string received may be longer or shorter ,
>> but it still must appear in the correct line !
>> (the system only sends changed data for a given line)
>> 
>> So , first 999 lines could be sent , then only 2 lines.
>> 999 lines of data need to stay displayed  then only 2 lines data to change
> !
>> 
>> the line number is before the =
>> the data is after the =
>> 
>> Regards
>> Camm
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
>> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: Put data in lines
>> 
>> 
>>> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
>>> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
>>> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
>>> itself that is slower).
>> 
>> I find that the array method as shown by Mark will work a bit faster than
>> the replace delimeters method, but you have to use a data list of about
>> 10,000 to see the difference.  At 50000 lines of data, the replace takes
>> 9-10 ticks, and the array method takes 6-7 ticks.  At 4000 lines, both
> will
>> show 0 ticks elapsed, which means less than half a tick.  Tick is about
>> 1/60th of a second.
>> 
>> Mac G5 Duo, Rev 2.7.2 build 261
>> 
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/5/07 9:28 AM, "Bj?rnke von Gierke" <bvg at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I always found arrays to be confusing, that's why I prefer this method :
>>> 
>>> on mouseUp
>>>    put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>>> into x
>>>    replace ":" with return in x
>>>    replace "=" with space in x
>>>    put line 2 to -2 of x
>>> end mouseUp
>>> 
>>> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
>>> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
>>> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
>>> itself that is slower).
>>> 
>>> have fun
>>> Bj?rnke
>>> 
>>> On 05 May 2007, at 16:46, Mark Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> This works for the given string, and should be quick even with 999
>>>> values:
>>>> 
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>   put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>>>> into tRec
>>>>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>>>>   delete item 1 of tRec
>>>>   delete item -1 of tRec
>>>> 
>>>>   split tRec by ":" and "="
>>>>   combine tRec by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
>>>>   put tRec
>>>> end mouseUp
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> On 5 May 2007, at 11:18, Camm29 wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm using read from socket
>>>>> 
>>>>> example reply , can be max 999 values.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: CRLF
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wish to display in a updating field with the values shown as ,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 0    234
>>>>> 1    456789
>>>>> 2    657483
>>>>> 3    4
>>>>> 4    3456473
>>>>> 5    1
>>>>> 6    0
>>>>> 
>>>>> I must be missing something , i used a repeat but its very slow on
>>>>> updating ?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>> Camm
>> 
>> 
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From wjm at wjm.org  Sun May  6 15:56:59 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 15:56:59 -0400
Subject: Tiny, but fast hardware for running Rev app
References: <8C95D950B946A2D-BF4-45@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <f1lbub$d9l$1@sea.gmane.org>


<rgould8 at aol.com> wrote in message 
news:8C95D950B946A2D-BF4-45 at mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com...
>  http://www.mini-tft.de/xtc-neu/index.php?cPath=1458w
>
> http://www.mini-itx.com/
>
>
> I've been looking at really small PC hardware for running a Revolution app 
> on, but this hardware needs to run in a somewhat temperature-sensitive 
> environent, so I was hoping to investigate a "Flash-memory based 
> hard-drive" solution, or something without a spinning HD motor. Anyone 
> have any favorite hardware for such a feat? My basic needs are: Either USB 
> or COM port for a device that needs to send barcode data to this terminal, 
> plus a monitor output, plus a keyboard input.
>
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From wjm at wjm.org  Sun May  6 16:01:04 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 16:01:04 -0400
Subject: Tiny, but fast hardware for running Rev app
References: <8C95D950B946A2D-BF4-45@mblk-d33.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <f1lc5v$e1j$1@sea.gmane.org>

Oops, hit the wrong key :/

Suggest you do a search on Google for "run xp usb flash" -- I don't know how 
well these boards would run XP if at all, but with their capacities edging 
upwards of 16GB, you won't have an issue with running out of space.

<rgould8 at aol.com> wrote in message 
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>  http://www.mini-tft.de/xtc-neu/index.php?cPath=1458w
>
> http://www.mini-itx.com/
>
>
> I've been looking at really small PC hardware for running a Revolution app 
> on, but this hardware needs to run in a somewhat temperature-sensitive 
> environent, so I was hoping to investigate a "Flash-memory based 
> hard-drive" solution, or something without a spinning HD motor. Anyone 
> have any favorite hardware for such a feat? My basic needs are: Either USB 
> or COM port for a device that needs to send barcode data to this terminal, 
> plus a monitor output, plus a keyboard input.





From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun May  6 16:58:27 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 13:58:27 -0700
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
In-Reply-To: <267250AE-3148-4DD9-ACC4-BFE0901B065F@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C2638F83.45C83%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>



On 5/6/07 10:50 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> Thanks for the observation, Jim. That was kind of what I thought
> might be possible, but not being familiar with Flash at all, had no
> idea exactly how it might be used. Is Flash expensive?
> 
> Joe

Yep, it is one of the big guys.
And learning curve is a bit steep.


Jim Ault 
Las Vegas




From bvg at mac.com  Sun May  6 23:32:21 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 05:32:21 +0200
Subject: 2.7 For Linux?
In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0705060904s184e225fgc37d5f82210e54e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86ae76bb0705060904s184e225fgc37d5f82210e54e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93565e15aa078aa90fbcb4b2d2fa117d@mac.com>

Asking RunRev for a shipping date is a very bad thing. People will 
store such a date given by RR, if only unconsciously, and then be 
disappointed when RunRev slips the shipping date (and they always do). 
Thus it's better to send RR a friendly letter now and then, reminding 
then that you are expecting the Linux engine since <insert date>.

I'm sure you can get a 2.6 license key as well as a link to the ftp 
server from support at runrev.com

Have fun
Bj?rnke von Gierke

On 06 May 2007, at 18:04, Bridger Maxwell wrote:

> Hey,
>  I was wondering when the Revolution with support for Linux is 
> supposed to
> be released.  I realize that it is going to be in version 2.9 of 
> Revolution,
> but the current beta build is 2.8.1, does that mean that we are going 
> to
> have several updates under 2.8, and that the 2.9 release will be 
> released
> much later than I thought?  I guess what I am looking for is a general 
> time
> estimate until 2.9.  Is it weeks, months, a year?  Until then, is 
> there any
> way that I can use Revolution 2.6 to build a Linux version of my app 
> even
> though I don't have a 2.6 license?
>
>
>  Thank You,
>    Bridger Maxwell
>    www.FieryFerret.com


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From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon May  7 05:44:55 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 11:44:55 +0200
Subject: How do I create an autorun CD for Mac?
Message-ID: <001e01c7908c$5ef20910$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Sorry, I don't have any Mac experience and hope Rev cares about the most for
me. Yes I still will test my app on a Mac of a friend, but right now I am
missing some Mac basics and didn't find anything about it in the tutorials.

I want to create a dual platform CD (Win and MacOS X) running the app from
CD. Until now I don't use any externals or plugins, so for Win I just take
the standalone.exe put it on my CD with an autorun.inf and that's it.

How do I create a autorun CD for Mac? Is there something like a autorun.inf
file on Mac?

And what do I have to put on the CD from the standalone building folders?
There are 2 files Info.plist and PkgInfo (one folder above the app), 4
Plugins folders with themes and 3 Revolution resource files
(Revolution.icns, Revolution rsrc, RevolutionDoc.icns) Do I just have to put
all these files and folders in same structure on CD, or don't I need these
additional files?

I would be happy if someone could direct me in the right direction or point
me to any tutorial or example

Thank you

Tiemo

 

 

 



From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Mon May  7 06:18:46 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:18:46 +0100
Subject: How do I create an autorun CD for Mac?
In-Reply-To: <001e01c7908c$5ef20910$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001e01c7908c$5ef20910$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <463EFD06.10409@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Hi Tiemo,

Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Sorry, I don't have any Mac experience and hope Rev cares about the most for
> me. Yes I still will test my app on a Mac of a friend, but right now I am
> missing some Mac basics and didn't find anything about it in the tutorials.
> 
> I want to create a dual platform CD (Win and MacOS X) running the app from
> CD. Until now I don't use any externals or plugins, so for Win I just take
> the standalone.exe put it on my CD with an autorun.inf and that's it.
> 
> How do I create a autorun CD for Mac? Is there something like a autorun.inf
> file on Mac?
> 

No such thing. Autorun is considered a security risk, and therefore 
there is no mechanism for it. Mac users expect to open the cd and run 
the application manually.

> And what do I have to put on the CD from the standalone building folders?
> There are 2 files Info.plist and PkgInfo (one folder above the app), 4
> Plugins folders with themes and 3 Revolution resource files
> (Revolution.icns, Revolution rsrc, RevolutionDoc.icns) Do I just have to put
> all these files and folders in same structure on CD, or don't I need these
> additional files?
> 

Yes, put the whole directory structure as it is on to the Mac. The 
parent folder and its contents are called a "package" which appears to 
the mac user as the application itself. The user double-clicks the 
package, which then runs the application as if it were an .exe.

> I would be happy if someone could direct me in the right direction or point
> me to any tutorial or example

Hope this helps

Martin Baxter


From nickp at didata.bw  Mon May  7 06:47:33 2007
From: nickp at didata.bw (Nic Prioleau)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:47:33 +0200
Subject: "In Button" search
Message-ID: <00e301c79095$1e059e40$480aa8c0@didata.bw>

I have a combobox that contains a list of registration numbers and what I would like to achieve is to be able to start typing the first couple of characters of the reg no in the combo box and have a script that searches within the button and does a kind of live search and take me to the correct place in the button. I have something semi working but it doesn't quite do what I want. Can anyone suggest a better way of doing this?

B401DGS
B423ASD
B434ACK
B435GHP
B512AGF

on keydown whichkey
  put the text of btn "regNo" into temp
  put whichKey after search
  
  if the number of characters in search > 1 then
    filter temp with (search&"*")
**** The following code is not ideal as it sets the line number to the first regNo it finds. If I type "B43" it will takes B434ACK
    set the wholeMatches to true
    put lineoffset(temp, btn "regNo") into tnum
    if tnum > 0 then
      set the menuHistory of btn "regNo" to tnum
    end if
    
  end if
end keydown

Regards
Nic
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon May  7 06:47:47 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:47:47 +0200
Subject: AW: How do I create an autorun CD for Mac?
In-Reply-To: <463EFD06.10409@harbourhosting.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000801c79095$274775f0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks Martin, that sounds easy :)
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Martin Baxter
> Gesendet: Montag, 7. Mai 2007 12:19
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: How do I create an autorun CD for Mac?
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > Sorry, I don't have any Mac experience and hope Rev cares about the most
> for
> > me. Yes I still will test my app on a Mac of a friend, but right now I
> am
> > missing some Mac basics and didn't find anything about it in the
> tutorials.
> >
> > I want to create a dual platform CD (Win and MacOS X) running the app
> from
> > CD. Until now I don't use any externals or plugins, so for Win I just
> take
> > the standalone.exe put it on my CD with an autorun.inf and that's it.
> >
> > How do I create a autorun CD for Mac? Is there something like a
> autorun.inf
> > file on Mac?
> >
> 
> No such thing. Autorun is considered a security risk, and therefore
> there is no mechanism for it. Mac users expect to open the cd and run
> the application manually.
> 
> > And what do I have to put on the CD from the standalone building
> folders?
> > There are 2 files Info.plist and PkgInfo (one folder above the app), 4
> > Plugins folders with themes and 3 Revolution resource files
> > (Revolution.icns, Revolution rsrc, RevolutionDoc.icns) Do I just have to
> put
> > all these files and folders in same structure on CD, or don't I need
> these
> > additional files?
> >
> 
> Yes, put the whole directory structure as it is on to the Mac. The
> parent folder and its contents are called a "package" which appears to
> the mac user as the application itself. The user double-clicks the
> package, which then runs the application as if it were an .exe.
> 
> > I would be happy if someone could direct me in the right direction or
> point
> > me to any tutorial or example
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Martin Baxter
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Mon May  7 07:24:53 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:24:53 +0200
Subject: how to write a field on a file keeping the text formatting intact
Message-ID: <9082C1B4-3EBD-4FE9-A686-04D63185DA46@inria.fr>

Hi,
The following handler put the text of a field in a (Word) file  but  
it does not keep the html format :

  set the defaultFolder to specialFolderPath("desktop") & "/IMPORT"  
-- with file "thisFile.doc" in "IMPORT
open file "ThisFile.doc" for write
   write fld "thisField" to file "suchFile.doc"
   close file "suchFile.doc"

I tried to put the fld in a variable and to set the htmlText of this  
variable to the htmlText of the fld
but I got an error "can't set this property".

Is is a way to write the content of a file on a file (in Word)  
keeping the format intact ?

Thanks a lot in advance for any advice

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?





From mark at maseurope.net  Mon May  7 07:30:34 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:30:34 +0100
Subject: how to write a field on a file keeping the text formatting
	intact
In-Reply-To: <9082C1B4-3EBD-4FE9-A686-04D63185DA46@inria.fr>
References: <9082C1B4-3EBD-4FE9-A686-04D63185DA46@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <D1945FE5-752A-4B39-A32A-8B36235DC45D@maseurope.net>

Andr?, you need to write the htmlText of the field to the file:



set the defaultFolder to specialFolderPath("desktop") & "/IMPORT" --  
with file "thisFile.doc" in "IMPORT
open file "ThisFile.doc" for write
write the HTMLText of fld "thisField" to file "suchFile.doc"
close file "suchFile.doc"

Best,

Mark



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Mon May  7 07:42:15 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:42:15 +0200
Subject: how to write a field on a file keeping the text formatting
	intact
In-Reply-To: <D1945FE5-752A-4B39-A32A-8B36235DC45D@maseurope.net>
References: <9082C1B4-3EBD-4FE9-A686-04D63185DA46@inria.fr>
	<D1945FE5-752A-4B39-A32A-8B36235DC45D@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <54D15D83-8ACB-46D6-A5BA-8BBCAE9460E8@inria.fr>


Le 7 mai 07 ? 13:30, Mark Smith a ?crit :

> Andr?, you need to write the htmlText of the field to the file:
>
>
>
> set the defaultFolder to specialFolderPath("desktop") & "/IMPORT"  
> -- with file "thisFile.doc" in "IMPORT
> open file "ThisFile.doc" for write
> write the HTMLText of fld "thisField" to file "suchFile.doc"
> close file "suchFile.doc"
>
> Best,
>
> Mark

Thanks Marc for your immediate answer ;
I tried what you are suggesting but I did not obtain the formatted  
text ; I obtained something like the following :

<p>Un jour sur ses longs pieds</p>
<p>Allait je ne sais o&ugrave;</p>
<p><i>Le h&eacute;ron au long bec</i></p>
<p>Emmanch&eacute; d'un long cou</p>
<p></p>
<p>&#9;Il c&ocirc;toyait une rivi&egrave;re</p>
<p>&#9;<u>L'onde &eacute;tait transparente</u></p>
<p>&#9;Ainsi qu'au plus beau jour</p>
<p>&#9;Ma comm&egrave;re la carpe</p>
<p>&#9;Y FAISAIT MILLE TOURS</p>
<p><font color="#FF0000">Avec le brochet son comp&egrave;re</font></p>

What I would like is to obtain the formatted text (not the html  
translation)

Any idea ?

Thanks a lot

Best regards
Andr?


From mark at maseurope.net  Mon May  7 07:56:54 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:56:54 +0100
Subject: how to write a field on a file keeping the text
	formatting	intact
In-Reply-To: <54D15D83-8ACB-46D6-A5BA-8BBCAE9460E8@inria.fr>
References: <9082C1B4-3EBD-4FE9-A686-04D63185DA46@inria.fr>
	<D1945FE5-752A-4B39-A32A-8B36235DC45D@maseurope.net>
	<54D15D83-8ACB-46D6-A5BA-8BBCAE9460E8@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <2F9A8612-2AF2-427C-8F85-AE88EBB24E0D@maseurope.net>

Ah, I see. I don't think Rev can export directly to Word format, but  
an alternative might be to export as rich text - use the RtfText  
instead of HtmlText - and then I'm pretty sure that Word can read the  
file with formatting intact.

Best,

Mark

On 7 May 2007, at 12:42, Andr?.Bisseret wrote:

>
> Le 7 mai 07 ? 13:30, Mark Smith a ?crit :
>
>> Andr?, you need to write the htmlText of the field to the file:
>>
>>
>>
>> set the defaultFolder to specialFolderPath("desktop") & "/IMPORT"  
>> -- with file "thisFile.doc" in "IMPORT
>> open file "ThisFile.doc" for write
>> write the HTMLText of fld "thisField" to file "suchFile.doc"
>> close file "suchFile.doc"
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Mark
>
> Thanks Marc for your immediate answer ;
> I tried what you are suggesting but I did not obtain the formatted  
> text ; I obtained something like the following :
>
> <p>Un jour sur ses longs pieds</p>
> <p>Allait je ne sais o&ugrave;</p>
> <p><i>Le h&eacute;ron au long bec</i></p>
> <p>Emmanch&eacute; d'un long cou</p>
> <p></p>
> <p>&#9;Il c&ocirc;toyait une rivi&egrave;re</p>
> <p>&#9;<u>L'onde &eacute;tait transparente</u></p>
> <p>&#9;Ainsi qu'au plus beau jour</p>
> <p>&#9;Ma comm&egrave;re la carpe</p>
> <p>&#9;Y FAISAIT MILLE TOURS</p>
> <p><font color="#FF0000">Avec le brochet son comp&egrave;re</font></p>
>
> What I would like is to obtain the formatted text (not the html  
> translation)
>
> Any idea ?
>
> Thanks a lot
>
> Best regards
> Andr?
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Mon May  7 08:07:53 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:07:53 +0100
Subject: Put data in lines
References: <C2637E62.45C7D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000a01c790a0$8085adc0$0a01a8c0@workshop>

Played with Union Command , still no luck.
Any other method ?

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 8:45 PM
Subject: Re: Put data in lines


You probably have the union command working in reverse.


On 5/6/07 11:43 AM, "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:

> Hi .
>
> Had it working , sort of !
>
> When data for a given line stops changing , the old original value appears
?
> Then I found i'd missed "put it into currDataArr"
> Now with "put it into currDataArr"  the old unchanging data lines vanish
> with only the new changing data lines displayed !
>
> Trying to do the following ,
>
> The first data received is always 999 lines with data , from then only
lines
> with changing data is received.
>
> I always need to display the 999 lines of received data , with updating
data
> for given lines received.
>
> Also when receiving data , It's not possible to move the Scrollbar ?
>
> Thanks in advance !!
>
> Regards
> Camm
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Put data in lines
>
>
> Pretty simple if you use an array.
> Lookup Union in the docs and it is a one-liner
>
> Use the 'union' command to combine two arrays, eliminating duplicate
> elements.
>  you may have to play with the union command to get it just right (not
> checked)
>
> script goes something like this...
> ----------
> local currDataArr
>
>   put incomingStr into incmgArr
>  split incmgArr by ":" and "="  --it is now an array
>
>  get currDataArr
>  union it with incmgArr
>   combine it by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
> put it into currDataArr  --local var that will keep this value
> --the local var is faster than reading the field into a var
>
> sort it by word 1  numeric of each
> put it into fld display
> --------------------------
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On 5/5/07 10:58 AM, "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks ,
>> Jim , Bj?rnke and Mark for your comments and solution.
>>
>> It's work great and fast !
>>
>> One issue is that the next data string received may be longer or shorter
,
>> but it still must appear in the correct line !
>> (the system only sends changed data for a given line)
>>
>> So , first 999 lines could be sent , then only 2 lines.
>> 999 lines of data need to stay displayed  then only 2 lines data to
change
> !
>>
>> the line number is before the =
>> the data is after the =
>>
>> Regards
>> Camm
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
>> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:56 PM
>> Subject: Re: Put data in lines
>>
>>
>>> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
>>> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
>>> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
>>> itself that is slower).
>>
>> I find that the array method as shown by Mark will work a bit faster than
>> the replace delimeters method, but you have to use a data list of about
>> 10,000 to see the difference.  At 50000 lines of data, the replace takes
>> 9-10 ticks, and the array method takes 6-7 ticks.  At 4000 lines, both
> will
>> show 0 ticks elapsed, which means less than half a tick.  Tick is about
>> 1/60th of a second.
>>
>> Mac G5 Duo, Rev 2.7.2 build 261
>>
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>>
>>
>> On 5/5/07 9:28 AM, "Bj?rnke von Gierke" <bvg at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I always found arrays to be confusing, that's why I prefer this method :
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>    put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>>> into x
>>>    replace ":" with return in x
>>>    replace "=" with space in x
>>>    put line 2 to -2 of x
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
>>> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
>>> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
>>> itself that is slower).
>>>
>>> have fun
>>> Bj?rnke
>>>
>>> On 05 May 2007, at 16:46, Mark Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> This works for the given string, and should be quick even with 999
>>>> values:
>>>>
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>   put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>>>> into tRec
>>>>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>>>>   delete item 1 of tRec
>>>>   delete item -1 of tRec
>>>>
>>>>   split tRec by ":" and "="
>>>>   combine tRec by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
>>>>   put tRec
>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>> On 5 May 2007, at 11:18, Camm29 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm using read from socket
>>>>>
>>>>> example reply , can be max 999 values.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: CRLF
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish to display in a updating field with the values shown as ,
>>>>>
>>>>> 0    234
>>>>> 1    456789
>>>>> 2    657483
>>>>> 3    4
>>>>> 4    3456473
>>>>> 5    1
>>>>> 6    0
>>>>>
>>>>> I must be missing something , i used a repeat but its very slow on
>>>>> updating ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>> Camm
>>
>>
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From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Mon May  7 08:13:10 2007
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 09:13:10 -0300
Subject: Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database Released
In-Reply-To: <006b01c78dd1$414cc520$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <C2649E26.D006%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

Lynn... If I'm just getting started using Valentina with Rev and I
eventually want to place my app on a Mac server, which isn't ready yet, but
currently am developing on my MacBook Pro, what version of Valentina should
I get?  Jim


on 5/3/07 7:20 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database Released
> 
> Stored Procedures, Linux Support and Advanced Server Features
> 
> May 3, 2007. Beaverton, Oregon-based Paradigma Software, Inc announces
> release version 3 of Valentina Office Server and Valentina Developer Network
> for deploying royalty free, standalone and client-server applications. This
> major release provides the greatest number of overall improvements to the
> platform since the release of Valentina 2 in March 2005, while providing
> backward compatibility with existing solutions built with Valentina 2.x.
> 
> The following new features were added to the entire product line of
> Valentina 3:
> 
> Stored Procedures. Stored procedures allow business logic to be stored
> within the database and then executed when called; this is highly beneficial
> for reducing network traffic.
> Triggers. Triggers allow events to be executed when conditions are met
> within a database or database table.
> Views.  Views are a form of virtual table based on the results of a query,
> allowing dynamic glimpses into data stored in the database.
> Hot Back Up.  Both standalone applications and Valentina Server based
> solutions can be automatically backed up and time stamped while running.
> Mac OS X Unicode Improvements. Because of improved support from  Apple, Inc,
> Valentina can access the operating system version of ICU, reducing the
> overall size of deployable Valentina 3 components on the platform.
> Backwards Compatibility. Because only modest changes were made to the
> Valentina format, users can safely test their existing Valentina 2.5.x
> databases with Valentina 3.
> 
> Valentina 3 Server solutions also include features specific to the platform:
> 
> Event Scheduler. This allows execution of events on the server to
> automatically occur periodically.
> User Variables.  Server solutions can get and set user variables on a per
> database basis.
> Improved Packet Based Protocol. Performance improvements with Server
> communications builds on previous releases that allow greater compatibility
> between different versions of clients and servers.
> 
> Paradigma Software is also announcing new operating system support for
> Valentina Office Server and most developer products: native Linux support.
> This includes Valentina Developer Network support for Linux targets with
> REAL Software REALbasic, Runtime Revolution, C++, and Valentina Embedded
> Server, including server scripting with PHP 4/5+ and Ruby on Rails
> framework. Core Valentina 3 technology is officially supported on Ubuntu
> 7.x, SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop and Red Hat Desktop, with compatibility
> with x86 based distributions running GTK 2.x.
> 
> The release of Valentina 3 also has hundreds of minor performance
> improvements and solutions to customer reported issues.
> 
> Valentina Developer Network solution provider Thorsten Hohage of
> objectmanufactur developed an EOF-like database framework that was
> originally based around mySQL. Mr Hohage reports that he ported the solution
> to Valentina in under four hours. Now large SELECT statements that ran
> upwards of five minutes take less than five seconds under Valentina 3. "The
> advancements culminating in Valentina 3 make Valentina a worthy successor to
> mySQL projects that require better performance for complex queries. I am
> profoundly happy over our move to Valentina." said Thorsten Hohage.
> 
> Valentina database products, available on Windows,  Mac OS X and Linux, are
> based on the unique Valentina database engine - an object-relational
> database engine known for extreme speed. When porting to Valentina, hours
> become minutes, minutes become seconds when it comes to storing, retrieving
> and querying databases. Valentina supports all modern standards - native
> Unicode, XML import/export and ODBC connectivity.
> 
> Valentina Developer Network Platform Edition includes a set of tools for all
> supported operating systems of one development environment - and allows
> deployment of Valentina Embedded Database Server, royalty free. In addition,
> VDN Platform Edition includes reseller options, VDN Platform Edition sells
> for $599. Developers that want to build only local database solutions can
> license Valentina ADK products, starting at $199.
> 
> About Paradigma Software, Inc
> 
> Founded in 1998, Beaverton, Oregon-based Paradigma Software, Inc is the
> leading provider of incredibly fast and robust database solutions for
> business and development. Valentina 2 technology powers solutions as diverse
> as graphics applications from major Japanese electronics companies to
> solutions supporting US public schools. Paradigma Software solutions are
> available for every major development environment on the Windows and
> Macintosh platforms.
> 
> Contact
> 
> Paradigma Software
> Ph. (503) 574-2776
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
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From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon May  7 10:18:36 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 17:18:36 +0300
Subject: Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database Released
In-Reply-To: <C2649E26.D006%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <C2650FEC.7248C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 7/5/07 3:13 PM, "Jim Carwardine" <JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com>
wrote:

Hi Jim,

> Lynn... If I'm just getting started using Valentina with Rev and I
> eventually want to place my app on a Mac server, which isn't ready yet, but
> currently am developing on my MacBook Pro, what version of Valentina should
> I get?  Jim

Let me clarify:

A) you want that YOUR application made with "Valentina for Revolution ADK"
runs on SERVER computer?  And client apps will connect to it?

B) you want run on server computer a Valentina Server, and your client apps
connect to it?



-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Mon May  7 10:24:46 2007
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:24:46 -0300
Subject: Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database Released
In-Reply-To: <C2650FEC.7248C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <C264BCFE.D022%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

Hi Ruslan... Part A eventually, nothing on a server for development... Jim


on 5/7/07 11:18 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:

> On 7/5/07 3:13 PM, "Jim Carwardine" <JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim,
> 
>> Lynn... If I'm just getting started using Valentina with Rev and I
>> eventually want to place my app on a Mac server, which isn't ready yet, but
>> currently am developing on my MacBook Pro, what version of Valentina should
>> I get?  Jim
> 
> Let me clarify:
> 
> A) you want that YOUR application made with "Valentina for Revolution ADK"
> runs on SERVER computer?  And client apps will connect to it?
> 
> B) you want run on server computer a Valentina Server, and your client apps
> connect to it?
> 
> 

-- 

HiringSmart Canada is a successful international end-to-end human resource
support business 
> providing science-based assessments and productivity tools to multi-branch
> businesses 
> where each branch, without the help of an HR professional, attracts, hires and
> engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
 
We Help You Attract, Hire and Keep the Right People.
www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca   www.KeepingTheBest.ca

HiringSmart Canada
23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139






From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Mon May  7 10:32:55 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:32:55 +0200
Subject: how to write a field on a file keeping the text
	formatting	intact
In-Reply-To: <2F9A8612-2AF2-427C-8F85-AE88EBB24E0D@maseurope.net>
References: <9082C1B4-3EBD-4FE9-A686-04D63185DA46@inria.fr>
	<D1945FE5-752A-4B39-A32A-8B36235DC45D@maseurope.net>
	<54D15D83-8ACB-46D6-A5BA-8BBCAE9460E8@inria.fr>
	<2F9A8612-2AF2-427C-8F85-AE88EBB24E0D@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <155CDC12-DE2B-48A0-97C1-AF9398734123@inria.fr>


Le 7 mai 07 ? 13:56, Mark Smith a ?crit :

> Ah, I see. I don't think Rev can export directly to Word format,  
> but an alternative might be to export as rich text - use the  
> RtfText instead of HtmlText - and then I'm pretty sure that Word  
> can read the file with formatting intact.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark

Nice ! " write the RTFText of fld?" solves my problem :-))

I thank you very much Mark, for your effective help

Best regards from Grenoble

Andr?









From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Mon May  7 10:45:05 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 17:45:05 +0300
Subject: Brand New to Valentina...
In-Reply-To: <C264B50A.D014%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <C2651621.7249B%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 7/5/07 4:50 PM, "Jim Carwardine" <JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com>
wrote:

Hi Jim

> Hi Ruslan... Here was my original message to the list... Jim
> 
> Hi Everyone... I'm just starting to contemplate using Valentina.  I have a
> Runtime Revolution application that I eventually want to put on a Mac
> server.  I want to put a Valentina database behind my app.  I don't have my
> server set up just yet.  I use a MacBook Pro for development.

> I am wondering what form of Valentina to purchase.  There seems to be a
> number of choices.  Where should I start?

Aha, I have sent some questions already to you on REV list.
Please answer them.

In fact you have 2 major choices:

1) V4REV ADK -- intended for development of single user desktop apps
2) VDN -- include the same V4REV + Embedded Valentina Server.


Aha, I see you did answer:
> Hi Ruslan... Part A eventually, nothing on a server for development... Jim

Then you need choose V4REV and it have 4 options:
    M       mac only
    W       win only
    MW      mac+win
    MWL     mac+win+linux


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon May  7 10:45:23 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 07:45:23 -0700
Subject: Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database Released
In-Reply-To: <C264BCFE.D022%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
References: <C2650FEC.7248C%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
	<C264BCFE.D022%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <042101c790b6$5816b800$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

Hi Jim,

It isnt clear to me if eventually you want your solution to have a server
component. If you need to deploy a server, VDN is the best way to go.
Besides, it has twice the update length of the ADKs (ADKs = 1 year, VDN = 2
years minimum).

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> Jim Carwardine
> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:25 AM
> To: Revolution Listserve
> Subject: Re: Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database Released
> 
> Hi Ruslan... Part A eventually, nothing on a server for 
> development... Jim
> 
> 
> on 5/7/07 11:18 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
> 
> > On 7/5/07 3:13 PM, "Jim Carwardine" 
> > <JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Jim,
> > 
> >> Lynn... If I'm just getting started using Valentina with Rev and I 
> >> eventually want to place my app on a Mac server, which isn't ready 
> >> yet, but currently am developing on my MacBook Pro, what 
> version of 
> >> Valentina should I get?  Jim
> > 
> > Let me clarify:
> > 
> > A) you want that YOUR application made with "Valentina for 
> Revolution ADK"
> > runs on SERVER computer?  And client apps will connect to it?
> > 
> > B) you want run on server computer a Valentina Server, and 
> your client 
> > apps connect to it?
> > 
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 
> HiringSmart Canada is a successful international end-to-end 
> human resource support business 
> > providing science-based assessments and productivity tools to 
> > multi-branch businesses where each branch, without the help 
> of an HR 
> > professional, attracts, hires and engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
>  
> We Help You Attract, Hire and Keep the Right People.
> www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca   www.KeepingTheBest.ca
> 
> HiringSmart Canada
> 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
> Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon May  7 11:19:43 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 08:19:43 -0700
Subject: Put data in lines
In-Reply-To: <000a01c790a0$8085adc0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <C264919F.45CCF%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Well, update the big array and republish it.
Not sure why the union command won't do that.  I guess I don't know the code
your using and what you are expecting.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/7/07 5:07 AM, "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:

> Played with Union Command , still no luck.
> Any other method ?
> 
> Regards
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 8:45 PM
> Subject: Re: Put data in lines
> 
> 
> You probably have the union command working in reverse.
> 
> 
> On 5/6/07 11:43 AM, "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:
> 
>> Hi .
>> 
>> Had it working , sort of !
>> 
>> When data for a given line stops changing , the old original value appears
> ?
>> Then I found i'd missed "put it into currDataArr"
>> Now with "put it into currDataArr"  the old unchanging data lines vanish
>> with only the new changing data lines displayed !
>> 
>> Trying to do the following ,
>> 
>> The first data received is always 999 lines with data , from then only
> lines
>> with changing data is received.
>> 
>> I always need to display the 999 lines of received data , with updating
> data
>> for given lines received.
>> 
>> Also when receiving data , It's not possible to move the Scrollbar ?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance !!
>> 
>> Regards
>> Camm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
>> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 7:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: Put data in lines
>> 
>> 
>> Pretty simple if you use an array.
>> Lookup Union in the docs and it is a one-liner
>> 
>> Use the 'union' command to combine two arrays, eliminating duplicate
>> elements.
>>  you may have to play with the union command to get it just right (not
>> checked)
>> 
>> script goes something like this...
>> ----------
>> local currDataArr
>> 
>>   put incomingStr into incmgArr
>>  split incmgArr by ":" and "="  --it is now an array
>> 
>>  get currDataArr
>>  union it with incmgArr
>>   combine it by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
>> put it into currDataArr  --local var that will keep this value
>> --the local var is faster than reading the field into a var
>> 
>> sort it by word 1  numeric of each
>> put it into fld display
>> --------------------------
>> 
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>> 
>> 
>> On 5/5/07 10:58 AM, "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks ,
>>> Jim , Bj?rnke and Mark for your comments and solution.
>>> 
>>> It's work great and fast !
>>> 
>>> One issue is that the next data string received may be longer or shorter
> ,
>>> but it still must appear in the correct line !
>>> (the system only sends changed data for a given line)
>>> 
>>> So , first 999 lines could be sent , then only 2 lines.
>>> 999 lines of data need to stay displayed  then only 2 lines data to
> change
>> !
>>> 
>>> the line number is before the =
>>> the data is after the =
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Camm
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 5:56 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Put data in lines
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
>>>> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
>>>> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
>>>> itself that is slower).
>>> 
>>> I find that the array method as shown by Mark will work a bit faster than
>>> the replace delimeters method, but you have to use a data list of about
>>> 10,000 to see the difference.  At 50000 lines of data, the replace takes
>>> 9-10 ticks, and the array method takes 6-7 ticks.  At 4000 lines, both
>> will
>>> show 0 ticks elapsed, which means less than half a tick.  Tick is about
>>> 1/60th of a second.
>>> 
>>> Mac G5 Duo, Rev 2.7.2 build 261
>>> 
>>> Jim Ault
>>> Las Vegas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 5/5/07 9:28 AM, "Bj?rnke von Gierke" <bvg at mac.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I always found arrays to be confusing, that's why I prefer this method :
>>>> 
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>    put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>>>> into x
>>>>    replace ":" with return in x
>>>>    replace "=" with space in x
>>>>    put line 2 to -2 of x
>>>> end mouseUp
>>>> 
>>>> A problems with using arrays like that is that i will shuffle the lines
>>>> around somewhat randomly. Also note that my approach is about 7 times
>>>> faster (not sure if it's the itemDelimiter stuff, or the array handling
>>>> itself that is slower).
>>>> 
>>>> have fun
>>>> Bj?rnke
>>>> 
>>>> On 05 May 2007, at 16:46, Mark Smith wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This works for the given string, and should be quick even with 999
>>>>> values:
>>>>> 
>>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>>   put "Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: " & CRLF
>>>>> into tRec
>>>>>   set the itemDelimiter to ":"
>>>>>   delete item 1 of tRec
>>>>>   delete item -1 of tRec
>>>>> 
>>>>>   split tRec by ":" and "="
>>>>>   combine tRec by cr and space -- (or tab, if you prefer)
>>>>>   put tRec
>>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 5 May 2007, at 11:18, Camm29 wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi ,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm using read from socket
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> example reply , can be max 999 values.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Arb.rec:0=234:1=456789:2=657483:3=4:4=3456473:5=1:6=0: CRLF
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I wish to display in a updating field with the values shown as ,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 0    234
>>>>>> 1    456789
>>>>>> 2    657483
>>>>>> 3    4
>>>>>> 4    3456473
>>>>>> 5    1
>>>>>> 6    0
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I must be missing something , i used a repeat but its very slow on
>>>>>> updating ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance
>>>>>> Camm
>>> 
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From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Mon May  7 12:01:41 2007
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:01:41 +0200
Subject: How to POST an image file?
In-Reply-To: <20070507144602.068B2489094@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070507144602.068B2489094@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <989505F8-2A43-44AF-8A11-7B5A747D6500@net2000.ch>

Given the following form in an html page from url like "http:/ 
myserver/mydir/mypage":

<form action="myaction" method="post"
enctype="multipart/form-data">
<p>File: <input type="file" name="file"></p>
<input type="submit">
</form>

I try to "POST tData to URL "http:/myserver/mydir/mypage/myaction"
where tData contains the following data:

--> (this line is not included in data)
Content-type: multipart/form-data, boundary=AaB03x

--AaB03x
content-disposition: form-data; name="file"; filename="logo.gif"
Content-type: image/gif
Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary

GIF89a DATA HERE...
--AaB03x--

<-- (this line is not included in data)

Can anyone tell me why I get a 500 server error or a 40x error? Using  
the original html page in a web browser works as expected and I have  
checked that it is not a cookie issue.

I also tried without success (same error) with the following tData:

--> (this line is not included in data)
Content-type: multipart/form-data, boundary=AaB03x

--AaB03x
content-disposition: form-data; name="file"
Content-type: multipart/mixed, boundary=BbC04y

--BbC04y
Content-disposition: attachment; filename="decoration.gif"
Content-type: image/gif
Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary

GIF89a DATA HERE...
--BbC04y--
--AaB03x--

<-- (this line is not included in data)

So I suppose either my post url or the data content is/are  
malformed... Any help welcome!

Thanks,
Joel

From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Mon May  7 12:01:45 2007
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 13:01:45 -0300
Subject: Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database Released
In-Reply-To: <042101c790b6$5816b800$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <C264D3B9.D03E%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

Hi Lynn... I think I have it worked out... When I deploy my app, it will be
deployed on a server using Valentina.  In that case, I don't need a
Valentina server.  Right?  Jim


on 5/7/07 11:45 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> It isnt clear to me if eventually you want your solution to have a server
> component. If you need to deploy a server, VDN is the best way to go.
> Besides, it has twice the update length of the ADKs (ADKs = 1 year, VDN = 2
> years minimum).
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
> 
>  
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of
>> Jim Carwardine
>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:25 AM
>> To: Revolution Listserve
>> Subject: Re: Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database Released
>> 
>> Hi Ruslan... Part A eventually, nothing on a server for
>> development... Jim
>> 
>> 
>> on 5/7/07 11:18 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
>> 
>>> On 7/5/07 3:13 PM, "Jim Carwardine"
>>> <JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jim,
>>> 
>>>> Lynn... If I'm just getting started using Valentina with Rev and I
>>>> eventually want to place my app on a Mac server, which isn't ready
>>>> yet, but currently am developing on my MacBook Pro, what
>> version of 
>>>> Valentina should I get?  Jim
>>> 
>>> Let me clarify:
>>> 
>>> A) you want that YOUR application made with "Valentina for
>> Revolution ADK"
>>> runs on SERVER computer?  And client apps will connect to it?
>>> 
>>> B) you want run on server computer a Valentina Server, and
>> your client 
>>> apps connect to it?
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> HiringSmart Canada is a successful international end-to-end
>> human resource support business
>>> providing science-based assessments and productivity tools to
>>> multi-branch businesses where each branch, without the help
>> of an HR 
>>> professional, attracts, hires and engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
>>  
>> We Help You Attract, Hire and Keep the Right People.
>> www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca   www.KeepingTheBest.ca
>> 
>> HiringSmart Canada
>> 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
>> Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
>> your subscription preferences:
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-- 

HiringSmart Canada is a successful international end-to-end human resource
support business 
> providing science-based assessments and productivity tools to multi-branch
> businesses 
> where each branch, without the help of an HR professional, attracts, hires and
> engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
 
We Help You Attract, Hire and Keep the Right People.
www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca   www.KeepingTheBest.ca

HiringSmart Canada
23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139






From soapdog at mac.com  Mon May  7 12:11:43 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:11:43 -0300
Subject: How to POST an image file?
In-Reply-To: <989505F8-2A43-44AF-8A11-7B5A747D6500@net2000.ch>
References: <20070507144602.068B2489094@mail.runrev.com>
	<989505F8-2A43-44AF-8A11-7B5A747D6500@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <EA17D7F6-7E6C-4AD2-8638-96F20340D217@mac.com>

Joel,

I didn't tried assembling mime encoded messages by hand, but why  
don't you try some not well known libURL gems as detailed on libURL  
manual http://support.runrev.com/resources/liburldocs.php Below, I  
quote from the docs, I think you can use this functions to assemble  
your post data...

libUrlMultipartFormData(<form data>,...)

libUrlMultipartFormData formats data in the way described in rfc  
1867. It was designed for posting files to web servers. The function  
can be called in a number of ways depending on the parameters passed.  
In all cases, the first parameter must be a variable which will be  
filled with the form data. The function will return empty if  
successful, or an error message if it fails (for example, if it  
couldn't open a file).

Note: When you need to supply a file as the value of a paramter, you  
must pass the file name preceeded by the text "<file>".

Note: In all cases, the first line of the data returned in the form  
data variable is the Content-Type header that must be included in the  
httpHeaders of the url request. Lines 2 to the end of the data is the  
data that must be posted to the url.

The standard way to call the function is with pairs of name/value  
parameters.

Example
         put empty into tForm
         put "http://www.someserver.com/cgi-bin/form.cgi" into tUrl
         put "dave" into tName
         put "hello" into tMessage
         put "<file>" & "C:/myfile.txt" into tFile
         if libUrlMultipartFormData (tForm, "name", tName, "message",  
tMessage, "file", tFile) is not empty then
           answer it ##error
         else
           set the httpHeaders to line 1 of tForm
           post line 2 to -1 of tForm to url tUrl
           ## check the result, etc., here
           set the httpHeaders to empty
         end if

You can also pass in an array instead of pairs of parameters. This  
could be useful if there are many parts to a form. The array must be  
numerically indexed, and each element should contain the part name  
and part value, separated by a comma. So (using the above example):

         put empty into tForm
         put "dave" into tName
         put "hello" into tMessage
         put "<file>" & "C:/myfile.txt" into tFile
         put "name," & tName into tArray[1]
         put "message," & tMessage into tArray[2]
         put "file," & tFile into tArray[3]
         if libUrlMultipartFormData(tForm, tArray) is not empty then
          answer it ##error
         else
           set the httpHeaders to line 1 of tForm
           post line 2 to -1 of tForm to url <whatever>

           ## check the result, etc., here
           set the httpHeaders to empty
         end if

You can also call the function with no arguments except the form  
data. This will return an "empty" form. Basically, line 1 is the  
header, and line 2 is the final boundary mark of the form. It is of  
no use by itself, but it can be used with libUrlMultipartFormAddPart.  
See below for an example.



libUrlMultipartFormAddPart(<form data>,<part name>,<value>[,<MIME  
type>,<encoding>])

This lets you add parts to a multipart form one at a time. It also  
lets you optionally specify the mime type and transfer encoding for  
each part. This can be useful where the mime type or transfer  
encoding has to be specified.

Example
         put empty into tForm
         put "dave" into tName
         put "hello" into tMessage
         if libUrlMultipartFormData (tForm, "name", tName, "message",  
tMessage) is not empty then
          ##handle error and exit
         end if
         set the httpHeaders to line 1 of tForm
         delete line 1 of tForm
         put "<file>" & "C:/myfile.gif" into tFile
         put "image/gif" into tType
         put "binary" into tEnc
         if libUrlMultipartFormAddPart(tForm,"file", tFile, tType,  
tEnc) <> empty then
           ##handle error and exit
         else
           post  tForm to url <whatever>

           set the httpHeaders to empty
         end if

On May 7, 2007, at 1:01 PM, Joel Guillod wrote:

> Given the following form in an html page from url like "http:/ 
> myserver/mydir/mypage":
>
> <form action="myaction" method="post"
> enctype="multipart/form-data">
> <p>File: <input type="file" name="file"></p>
> <input type="submit">
> </form>
>
> I try to "POST tData to URL "http:/myserver/mydir/mypage/myaction"
> where tData contains the following data:
>
> --> (this line is not included in data)
> Content-type: multipart/form-data, boundary=AaB03x
>
> --AaB03x
> content-disposition: form-data; name="file"; filename="logo.gif"
> Content-type: image/gif
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary
>
> GIF89a DATA HERE...
> --AaB03x--
>
> <-- (this line is not included in data)
>
> Can anyone tell me why I get a 500 server error or a 40x error?  
> Using the original html page in a web browser works as expected and  
> I have checked that it is not a cookie issue.
>
> I also tried without success (same error) with the following tData:
>
> --> (this line is not included in data)
> Content-type: multipart/form-data, boundary=AaB03x
>
> --AaB03x
> content-disposition: form-data; name="file"
> Content-type: multipart/mixed, boundary=BbC04y
>
> --BbC04y
> Content-disposition: attachment; filename="decoration.gif"
> Content-type: image/gif
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary
>
> GIF89a DATA HERE...
> --BbC04y--
> --AaB03x--
>
> <-- (this line is not included in data)
>
> So I suppose either my post url or the data content is/are  
> malformed... Any help welcome!
>
> Thanks,
> Joel
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon May  7 12:17:16 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 18:17:16 +0200
Subject: What to do to get a selected TAB-Button into the foreground?
Message-ID: <003901c790c3$2ebc3fe0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

I just tried my first time a tab panel. As I see it, I put on each card the
same tab menu and set the code to:

On menuPick . switch "foo" go to card "foo"

So far it works, now I am missing a little thing. If I click on a tab, I
switch to the selected card, but the clicked tab doesn't come into the
foreground not until I have clicked a second time onto the same tab. I have
a pass menuPick in my script, and I don't see any property in the btn Tab
Menu to set.

What am I missing?

Thanks for any hint

Tiemo

 

 

 



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon May  7 12:25:53 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 09:25:53 -0700
Subject: Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database Released
In-Reply-To: <C264D3B9.D03E%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
References: <042101c790b6$5816b800$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
	<C264D3B9.D03E%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <047f01c790c4$626abaa0$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

Hi Jim,

> Hi Lynn... I think I have it worked out... When I deploy my 
> app, it will be deployed on a server using Valentina.  In 
> that case, I don't need a Valentina server.  Right?  Jim

If you want to deploy a server based solution that can serve more than one
connection at a time, then you need VDN. ADKs only support a single
connection at a time.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 






> on 5/7/07 11:45 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jim,
> > 
> > It isnt clear to me if eventually you want your solution to have a 
> > server component. If you need to deploy a server, VDN is 
> the best way to go.
> > Besides, it has twice the update length of the ADKs (ADKs = 1 year, 
> > VDN = 2 years minimum).
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > 
> > Lynn Fredricks
> > President
> > Paradigma Software
> > http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> > 
> > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
> >> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim 
> >> Carwardine
> >> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:25 AM
> >> To: Revolution Listserve
> >> Subject: Re: Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database 
> >> Released
> >> 
> >> Hi Ruslan... Part A eventually, nothing on a server for 
> >> development... Jim
> >> 
> >> 
> >> on 5/7/07 11:18 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
> >> 
> >>> On 7/5/07 3:13 PM, "Jim Carwardine"
> >>> <JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Jim,
> >>> 
> >>>> Lynn... If I'm just getting started using Valentina with 
> Rev and I 
> >>>> eventually want to place my app on a Mac server, which 
> isn't ready 
> >>>> yet, but currently am developing on my MacBook Pro, what
> >> version of
> >>>> Valentina should I get?  Jim
> >>> 
> >>> Let me clarify:
> >>> 
> >>> A) you want that YOUR application made with "Valentina for
> >> Revolution ADK"
> >>> runs on SERVER computer?  And client apps will connect to it?
> >>> 
> >>> B) you want run on server computer a Valentina Server, and
> >> your client
> >>> apps connect to it?
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> --
> >> 
> >> HiringSmart Canada is a successful international end-to-end human 
> >> resource support business
> >>> providing science-based assessments and productivity tools to 
> >>> multi-branch businesses where each branch, without the help
> >> of an HR
> >>> professional, attracts, hires and engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
> >>  
> >> We Help You Attract, Hire and Keep the Right People.
> >> www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca   www.KeepingTheBest.ca
> >> 
> >> HiringSmart Canada
> >> 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
> >> Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
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> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> > 
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> -- 
> 
> HiringSmart Canada is a successful international end-to-end 
> human resource support business 
> > providing science-based assessments and productivity tools to 
> > multi-branch businesses where each branch, without the help 
> of an HR 
> > professional, attracts, hires and engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
>  
> We Help You Attract, Hire and Keep the Right People.
> www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca   www.KeepingTheBest.ca
> 
> HiringSmart Canada
> 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
> Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139
> 
> 
> 
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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon May  7 12:26:35 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 11:26:35 -0500
Subject: Is Connecting to a Database still broken?
Message-ID: <463F533B.6070908@crcom.net>

I've got an app that connects with Postgresql database just fine as long 
as I'm using the IDE.  When I tried to make either a stand-alone or use 
stackRunner to launch the finished app, I get an "invalid Database type" 
error.  I have the revdb.dll in the same folder as the stack, and the 
Externals/Database Drivers folder under it with the postgresql.dll in 
that folder.  I set the "Database Drivers" to the correct place in the 
app before I use it. 

This problem has been brought up before but I can't find that it was 
ever solved.  I can't believe that such a glaring bug would still remain 
after over a year so I'm thinking I must be doing something wrong.  I 
have played with the capitalization of the database type (postgresql, 
Postgresql, PostgreSQL, etc) but it still gives me the error.

Any advice on what I can try next?

Thanks,

Len Morgan


From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Mon May  7 13:09:21 2007
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 14:09:21 -0300
Subject: Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database Released
In-Reply-To: <047f01c790c4$626abaa0$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <C264E391.D04C%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

Well, that's pretty straight forward...  I get it now... I need to change my
order... Jim


on 5/7/07 1:25 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
>> Hi Lynn... I think I have it worked out... When I deploy my
>> app, it will be deployed on a server using Valentina.  In
>> that case, I don't need a Valentina server.  Right?  Jim
> 
> If you want to deploy a server based solution that can serve more than one
> connection at a time, then you need VDN. ADKs only support a single
> connection at a time.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Lynn Fredricks
> President
> Paradigma Software
> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
> 
> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> on 5/7/07 11:45 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Jim,
>>> 
>>> It isnt clear to me if eventually you want your solution to have a
>>> server component. If you need to deploy a server, VDN is
>> the best way to go.
>>> Besides, it has twice the update length of the ADKs (ADKs = 1 year,
>>> VDN = 2 years minimum).
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Lynn Fredricks
>>> President
>>> Paradigma Software
>>> http://www.paradigmasoft.com
>>> 
>>> Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
>>>> [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Jim
>>>> Carwardine
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 7:25 AM
>>>> To: Revolution Listserve
>>>> Subject: Re: Valentina 3 Major Upgrade to Ultra Fast Database
>>>> Released
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Ruslan... Part A eventually, nothing on a server for
>>>> development... Jim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> on 5/7/07 11:18 AM, Ruslan Zasukhin wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/5/07 3:13 PM, "Jim Carwardine"
>>>>> <JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lynn... If I'm just getting started using Valentina with
>> Rev and I 
>>>>>> eventually want to place my app on a Mac server, which
>> isn't ready 
>>>>>> yet, but currently am developing on my MacBook Pro, what
>>>> version of
>>>>>> Valentina should I get?  Jim
>>>>> 
>>>>> Let me clarify:
>>>>> 
>>>>> A) you want that YOUR application made with "Valentina for
>>>> Revolution ADK"
>>>>> runs on SERVER computer?  And client apps will connect to it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> B) you want run on server computer a Valentina Server, and
>>>> your client
>>>>> apps connect to it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> 
>>>> HiringSmart Canada is a successful international end-to-end human
>>>> resource support business
>>>>> providing science-based assessments and productivity tools to
>>>>> multi-branch businesses where each branch, without the help
>>>> of an HR
>>>>> professional, attracts, hires and engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
>>>>  
>>>> We Help You Attract, Hire and Keep the Right People.
>>>> www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca   www.KeepingTheBest.ca
>>>> 
>>>> HiringSmart Canada
>>>> 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
>>>> Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>> 
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>>> preferences:
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>> 
>> -- 
>> 
>> HiringSmart Canada is a successful international end-to-end
>> human resource support business
>>> providing science-based assessments and productivity tools to
>>> multi-branch businesses where each branch, without the help
>> of an HR 
>>> professional, attracts, hires and engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
>>  
>> We Help You Attract, Hire and Keep the Right People.
>> www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca   www.KeepingTheBest.ca
>> 
>> HiringSmart Canada
>> 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
>> Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage
>> your subscription preferences:
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> 
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-- 

HiringSmart Canada is a successful international end-to-end human resource
support business 
> providing science-based assessments and productivity tools to multi-branch
> businesses 
> where each branch, without the help of an HR professional, attracts, hires and
> engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
 
We Help You Attract, Hire and Keep the Right People.
www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca   www.KeepingTheBest.ca

HiringSmart Canada
23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139






From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon May  7 13:19:59 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:19:59 -0500
Subject: What to do to get a selected TAB-Button into the foreground?
In-Reply-To: <003901c790c3$2ebc3fe0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <003901c790c3$2ebc3fe0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <20070507121959685687.a1b38541@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 7 May 2007 18:17:16 +0200, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> I just tried my first time a tab panel. As I see it, I put on each card the
> same tab menu and set the code to:
> 
> On menuPick . switch "foo" go to card "foo"
> 
> So far it works, now I am missing a little thing. If I click on a tab, I
> switch to the selected card, but the clicked tab doesn't come into the
> foreground not until I have clicked a second time onto the same tab. I have
> a pass menuPick in my script, and I don't see any property in the btn Tab
> Menu to set.
> 
> What am I missing?

It sounds to me like you have a copy of the tab panel on each card. 
What you need to do is put the tab panel into a group, and check on the 
"Behave like a background" of the group in the Inspector. Then delete 
all the other tab panels on the other cards, and then go to each of the 
cards you've already created and place the new background group on the 
card (Object menu, choose Place Group, and then pick the group). Any 
new cards you create will automatically inherit the background group.

This way all the cards are sharing the same group object so the changes 
to the tab panel is reflected on all cards at once.

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Mon May  7 13:26:14 2007
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 10:26:14 -0700
Subject: Is Connecting to a Database still broken?
In-Reply-To: <20070507170007.F254B489062@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070507170007.F254B489062@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <463F6136.4050403@castandcrew.com>

>
>
>I've got an app that connects with Postgresql database just fine as long 
>as I'm using the IDE.  When I tried to make either a stand-alone or use 
>stackRunner to launch the finished app, I get an "invalid Database type" 
>error.  I have the revdb.dll in the same folder as the stack, and the 
>Externals/Database Drivers folder under it with the postgresql.dll in 
>that folder.  I set the "Database Drivers" to the correct place in the 
>app before I use it. 
>
>This problem has been brought up before but I can't find that it was 
>ever solved.  I can't believe that such a glaring bug would still remain 
>after over a year so I'm thinking I must be doing something wrong.  I 
>have played with the capitalization of the database type (postgresql, 
>Postgresql, PostgreSQL, etc) but it still gives me the error.
>
>Any advice on what I can try next?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Len Morgan
>


Len,

Works for me?  Well, I have an app that I wrote several years back which 
I recently ported to the latest version of Rev for Windows XP and Vista, 
it connects to a PostgreSQL database on my web server just fine. IE, 
it's been working for years.  Of course, that is hardly enough 
information.  Any bug report is best served by detailing 3 elements

*What did you expect?
*What did you get instead
*How to duplicate this problem?

So info like your platform, versions of postgres and rev and OS, sample 
of your code, etc, needed.  Not that I am offering to solve this problem 
but I can look up a code snippet of mine and supply it.  There are of 
course all sorts of things required beyond the code - setting the right 
flags when starting the postgres daemon, opening the right ports in the 
firewall, etc.  Here's some code, where nn.nn.nn.nn = ipaddress or 
domain name, and the rest of the fields are to be filled in with real 
values too.  Also, I'm not sugesting this example be emulated, only that 
it works for me.

Hope it helps
Sadhu

---------------------------------------------------------
on openStack
  global pConnectionID, tSQLQuery, tCursor, tColumnNames
  put "Stand by, I'm connecting to your data base ..." into field "title"
  put 
revOpenDatabase("Postgresql","nn.nn.nn.nn","dbname","username","password") 
into pConnectionID
  if (pConnectionID) is a number then
    put "Your cardfile data base on your home web server opened 
successfully with connection ID " into tResult
    put pConnectionID after tResult
    answer tResult
    AzzClear
  else
    answer "Gosh darn, what's up?  The data base connection failed."
   (etc, code snipped out here)
end openStack
---------------------------------------------------------



From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Mon May  7 13:44:21 2007
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:44:21 EDT
Subject: Printing Problem
Message-ID: <c89.10c5c85e.3370bf75@aol.com>

Hi Everyone,

I guess I don?t understand something about setting the colors in stacks. I 
know there are fields on one of my stacks but I can?t see to edit them. Only the 
borders of the fields print, not the contents. What did I set wrong?

Joe in Orlando, Florida


**************************************
 See what's free 
at http://www.aol.com.


From bodind at club-internet.fr  Mon May  7 14:23:13 2007
From: bodind at club-internet.fr (Dominique Bodin)
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 20:23:13 +0200
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
In-Reply-To: <C2638F83.45C83%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2638F83.45C83%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <op.tryyozofjagoek@mail.club-internet.fr>

hello,

i know this one:
http://www.conceptdraw.com/en/products/cd5/main.php

it's "only" $299

Dominique

On Sun, 06 May 2007 22:58:27 +0200, Jim Ault <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 5/6/07 10:50 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the observation, Jim. That was kind of what I thought
>> might be possible, but not being familiar with Flash at all, had no
>> idea exactly how it might be used. Is Flash expensive?
>>
>> Joe
>
> Yep, it is one of the big guys.
> And learning curve is a bit steep.
>
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon May  7 15:12:13 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 12:12:13 -0700
Subject: smartDraw and alternatives
In-Reply-To: <op.tryyozofjagoek@mail.club-internet.fr>
References: <C2638F83.45C83%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<op.tryyozofjagoek@mail.club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <46F574FD-EF3D-47F4-B3B7-0BCD0AFDD0A8@cox.net>

Hi Dominique,

Looks interesting; particularly since it appears to have a  
programming language within it. I'll at least give it a tire kicking.  
Like all of the OSX apps, things are very difficult to see because of  
all the transparency. I hate that feature of OSX graphics. Cool, but  
very hard to see.

Thanks,

Joe Wilkins

On May 7, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Dominique Bodin wrote:

> hello,
>
> i know this one:
> http://www.conceptdraw.com/en/products/cd5/main.php
>
> it's "only" $299
>
> Dominique



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon May  7 18:19:05 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:19:05 +1000
Subject: Calendar stacks fix
Message-ID: <f99b52860705071519h768a9a51vee73f4613247a120@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

The new date & time features of the Rev 2.8.1 betas have revealed a
bug in my Calendar stacks. I'm not quite sure how they worked before
as I had a line that converted a date from short english date to long
system date. The supplied date was actually in date items format, so
it really should never have worked, however it only stopped working in
2.8.1

Anyway, if anyone is using the stacks, there is an update. If you
already have any of the calendar stacks embedded in your projects and
just want to apply the fix (one line), here it is:

edit the stack script of the calendar stack (any of the 3 sizes, they
are all the same)
find the "setupCurrentDate" handler
look for these 3 lines:
  put today into tDate
  convert tDate from short English date to long system date
  put titleCase(tDate) into fld "Selected"

replace the middle of these lines with:
  convert tDate from dateItems to long system date

Don't forget to save the stack when you have made the change.

Cheers,
Sarah


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon May  7 20:08:58 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 03:08:58 +0300
Subject: Partition benefits . . .
In-Reply-To: <744473.41767.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <744473.41767.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160705071708k39451a61y2c90db863e48a213@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/5/07, Richmond Mathewson <geradamas at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> An even faster solution, in my experience, is to
> install Applejack:
>
> http://applejack.sourceforge.net/


Yes, I use AppleJack as well, an excellent solution for OSX only; but as
you, I still have a couple of older machines hanging around that aren't OSX
compatible.

Still there are a couple of situations where the extra OS on separate
partition comes in handy, even for OSX;

1) defraging your startup disc
2) extremely rare on OSX but if you ever install something and suddenly run
into problems, being able to restart off the other partition and do your
days work and worry about troubleshooting the normal partition at a more
convenient time can be a real "phew" moment.
3) being able to do work whilst running maintenance - you can't do anything
whilst AppleJack does it's thing.


From pgries at cs.toronto.edu  Mon May  7 21:37:10 2007
From: pgries at cs.toronto.edu (Paul Gries)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 21:37:10 -0400
Subject: Standalone issue with Windows network file server
In-Reply-To: <20070501094017184938.adc03f14@sonsothunder.com>
References: <D031AB9E-4DA4-47E9-A3A5-C7413F8AFB55@cs.toronto.edu>
	<20070430140252959776.5496b75e@sonsothunder.com>
	<8CC2B447-45D3-4C0E-8517-20DBCE03DC0D@cs.toronto.edu>
	<20070430225937908632.c91e96af@sonsothunder.com>
	<680A74FD-9212-402C-8814-2D40FD890C81@cs.toronto.edu>
	<20070501094017184938.adc03f14@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <58FF111F-413F-4F43-B6AF-E993BCE8A03E@cs.toronto.edu>

On 1 May 2007, at 10:40 AM, Ken Ray wrote:
> On Tue, 1 May 2007 07:49:32 -0400, Paul Gries wrote:
>> On 30 Apr 2007, at 11:59 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:14:22 -0400, Paul Gries wrote:
>>>> On 30 Apr 2007, at 3:02 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:30:44 -0400, Paul Gries wrote:
>>>> That is a standalone saving a data stack.  (I used the splash- 
>>>> screen
>>>> approach to building the standalone, using Rev. version  
>>>> 2.7.4.291, in
>>>> case it matters.)  There is the standalone splash screen stack, the
>>>> primary stack ("BlueMain", with a Save button), and three substacks
>>>> of BlueMain.  Saving either BlueMain or one of the substacks causes
>>>> the freeze.
>>>
>>> Is the standalone running from the network as well, or is it  
>>> running on
>>> a local machine?
>>
>> It's running from the network as well.  I make the standalone and
>> then copy the folder named "Windows" to the network drive.
>
> A long time ago I had issues related to UNC pathnames that Rev was
> unable to resolve which caused problems in accessing files on network
> servers. It's possible that when saving, Rev is getting the "filename"
> property of the stack and trying to write the data back to that
> location. One thing to check would be to put in some debug code that
> did "put the fileName of stack 'BlueMain'" and see what it is. If the
> network drive isn't mapped, perhaps mapping it to a drive letter and
> then setting the filename of the stack to a path that includes the
> drive letter will help.

I want to thank all of you who had suggestions.  After trying the  
suggestions I received (none of which *quite* worked), I ended up  
with this workaround, in case anyone else runs into the problem:

   put the fileName of stack "MyStack" into myFileName
   save stack "MyStack" as "C:\temp\MyStack.rev"
   close stack "MyStack"
   revCopyFile "C:\temp\MyStack.rev", myFileName
   open stack "MyStack"

That worked fine, but only when the network drive was mapped -- thank  
you very much for that tip, Ken!  I would never have found it.

Cheers,
-Paul


From bvlahos at mac.com  Mon May  7 22:37:25 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 19:37:25 -0700
Subject: How do I create an autorun CD for Mac?
In-Reply-To: <001e01c7908c$5ef20910$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001e01c7908c$5ef20910$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <70C50195-E9B8-497E-8E26-1E1F936C0D1A@mac.com>


As others have pointed out autorun is a security problem that Apple  
discontinued long ago.

However you can achieve almost the same thing by setting up the CD to  
open the CD when it is inserted without the user double-clicking it.  
That way your Mac users will see the application right away and  
simply open it. Note that you will want to play with this a bit as  
you are given a number of interesting options to have a graphical  
representation of the file and instructions.

Bill

On May 7, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Sorry, I don't have any Mac experience and hope Rev cares about the  
> most for
> me. Yes I still will test my app on a Mac of a friend, but right  
> now I am
> missing some Mac basics and didn't find anything about it in the  
> tutorials.
>
> I want to create a dual platform CD (Win and MacOS X) running the  
> app from
> CD. Until now I don't use any externals or plugins, so for Win I  
> just take
> the standalone.exe put it on my CD with an autorun.inf and that's it.
>
> How do I create a autorun CD for Mac? Is there something like a  
> autorun.inf
> file on Mac?
>
> And what do I have to put on the CD from the standalone building  
> folders?
> There are 2 files Info.plist and PkgInfo (one folder above the app), 4
> Plugins folders with themes and 3 Revolution resource files
> (Revolution.icns, Revolution rsrc, RevolutionDoc.icns) Do I just  
> have to put
> all these files and folders in same structure on CD, or don't I  
> need these
> additional files?
>
> I would be happy if someone could direct me in the right direction  
> or point
> me to any tutorial or example
>
> Thank you
>
> Tiemo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue May  8 02:23:25 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:23:25 +0200
Subject: AW: How do I create an autorun CD for Mac?
In-Reply-To: <70C50195-E9B8-497E-8E26-1E1F936C0D1A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001201c79139$636d4f60$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Bill, and what do I have to do to let the CD open when inserted and what
options are you talking about?
Thanks Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Bill Vlahos
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Mai 2007 04:37
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: How do I create an autorun CD for Mac?
> 
> 
> As others have pointed out autorun is a security problem that Apple
> discontinued long ago.
> 
> However you can achieve almost the same thing by setting up the CD to
> open the CD when it is inserted without the user double-clicking it.
> That way your Mac users will see the application right away and
> simply open it. Note that you will want to play with this a bit as
> you are given a number of interesting options to have a graphical
> representation of the file and instructions.
> 
> Bill
> 
> On May 7, 2007, at 2:44 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > Sorry, I don't have any Mac experience and hope Rev cares about the
> > most for
> > me. Yes I still will test my app on a Mac of a friend, but right
> > now I am
> > missing some Mac basics and didn't find anything about it in the
> > tutorials.
> >
> > I want to create a dual platform CD (Win and MacOS X) running the
> > app from
> > CD. Until now I don't use any externals or plugins, so for Win I
> > just take
> > the standalone.exe put it on my CD with an autorun.inf and that's it.
> >
> > How do I create a autorun CD for Mac? Is there something like a
> > autorun.inf
> > file on Mac?
> >
> > And what do I have to put on the CD from the standalone building
> > folders?
> > There are 2 files Info.plist and PkgInfo (one folder above the app), 4
> > Plugins folders with themes and 3 Revolution resource files
> > (Revolution.icns, Revolution rsrc, RevolutionDoc.icns) Do I just
> > have to put
> > all these files and folders in same structure on CD, or don't I
> > need these
> > additional files?
> >
> > I would be happy if someone could direct me in the right direction
> > or point
> > me to any tutorial or example
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Tiemo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 02:33:33 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 07:33:33 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [OT] Where North Americans can get rid of old computers.
Message-ID: <833055.72529.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stephen ?

http://www.invisiblechildren.com

love, Richmond Mathewson

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From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue May  8 02:35:51 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 08:35:51 +0200
Subject: AW: What to do to get a selected TAB-Button into the foreground?
In-Reply-To: <20070507121959685687.a1b38541@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <001301c7913b$1fa16f80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thank you Ken, that?s it. I wouldn't have got that in lightyears :)
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Ray
> Gesendet: Montag, 7. Mai 2007 19:20
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: What to do to get a selected TAB-Button into the foreground?
> 
> On Mon, 7 May 2007 18:17:16 +0200, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > I just tried my first time a tab panel. As I see it, I put on each card
> the
> > same tab menu and set the code to:
> >
> > On menuPick . switch "foo" go to card "foo"
> >
> > So far it works, now I am missing a little thing. If I click on a tab, I
> > switch to the selected card, but the clicked tab doesn't come into the
> > foreground not until I have clicked a second time onto the same tab. I
> have
> > a pass menuPick in my script, and I don't see any property in the btn
> Tab
> > Menu to set.
> >
> > What am I missing?
> 
> It sounds to me like you have a copy of the tab panel on each card.
> What you need to do is put the tab panel into a group, and check on the
> "Behave like a background" of the group in the Inspector. Then delete
> all the other tab panels on the other cards, and then go to each of the
> cards you've already created and place the new background group on the
> card (Object menu, choose Place Group, and then pick the group). Any
> new cards you create will automatically inherit the background group.
> 
> This way all the cards are sharing the same group object so the changes
> to the tab panel is reflected on all cards at once.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue May  8 03:20:51 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 09:20:51 +0200
Subject: What to do to get a selected TAB-Button into the foreground?
In-Reply-To: <003901c790c3$2ebc3fe0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <003901c790c3$2ebc3fe0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <E3863A57-8668-4D8B-8060-00D6D2EC9628@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Tiemo,

You got , as usual :-) the right answer from Ken.
In addition, the "How to Manage Tabbed Buttons" tutorial might help  
you to get started with all methods, tricks and tips when managing  
tabbed buttons:
How to manage tabbed buttons with 2 methods: Multiple cards method  
(each tab is a card) and Groups method (show/hide groups based on tab  
selection).
And, by script, how to set the tabs names, how to select a tab, how  
to disable or enable a tab, etc.

You will access this tutorial through "Tutorials Picker" a free  
plugin that interfaces with the So Smart Software website in order to  
display all available tutorials stacks directly from the web.
You will find it by going to http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/.
Revolution/Plugins or Tutorials section.

Le 7 mai 07 ? 18:17, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :

> I just tried my first time a tab panel. As I see it, I put on each  
> card the
> same tab menu and set the code to:
>
> On menuPick . switch "foo" go to card "foo"
>
> So far it works, now I am missing a little thing. If I click on a  
> tab, I
> switch to the selected card, but the clicked tab doesn't come into the
> foreground not until I have clicked a second time onto the same  
> tab. I have
> a pass menuPick in my script, and I don't see any property in the  
> btn Tab
> Menu to set.
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Thanks for any hint

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue May  8 05:06:26 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:06:26 +0200
Subject: AW: What to do to get a selected TAB-Button into the foreground?
In-Reply-To: <E3863A57-8668-4D8B-8060-00D6D2EC9628@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <002001c79150$29a09730$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thank you Eric, very helpful!
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 8. Mai 2007 09:21
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: What to do to get a selected TAB-Button into the foreground?
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> You got , as usual :-) the right answer from Ken.
> In addition, the "How to Manage Tabbed Buttons" tutorial might help
> you to get started with all methods, tricks and tips when managing
> tabbed buttons:
> How to manage tabbed buttons with 2 methods: Multiple cards method
> (each tab is a card) and Groups method (show/hide groups based on tab
> selection).
> And, by script, how to set the tabs names, how to select a tab, how
> to disable or enable a tab, etc.
> 
> You will access this tutorial through "Tutorials Picker" a free
> plugin that interfaces with the So Smart Software website in order to
> display all available tutorials stacks directly from the web.
> You will find it by going to http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/.
> Revolution/Plugins or Tutorials section.
> 
> Le 7 mai 07 ? 18:17, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :
> 
> > I just tried my first time a tab panel. As I see it, I put on each
> > card the
> > same tab menu and set the code to:
> >
> > On menuPick . switch "foo" go to card "foo"
> >
> > So far it works, now I am missing a little thing. If I click on a
> > tab, I
> > switch to the selected card, but the clicked tab doesn't come into the
> > foreground not until I have clicked a second time onto the same
> > tab. I have
> > a pass menuPick in my script, and I don't see any property in the
> > btn Tab
> > Menu to set.
> >
> > What am I missing?
> >
> > Thanks for any hint
> 
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
> eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From katir at hindu.org  Tue May  8 06:27:54 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 00:27:54 -1000
Subject: CGI Hung Process Help!
In-Reply-To: <95074EC6-3108-480C-8B64-F5E14B028F15@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <463D0085.6060505@hindu.org>
	<95074EC6-3108-480C-8B64-F5E14B028F15@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <464050AA.3060102@hindu.org>

Dave, thanks, I have about 6 CGI's regularly appearing as hung.
Some show up only once a week.

The guestbook.cgi is very high traffic. A sweet spot for spammmers
and I don't know what happens if someone tries to dump a huge
chunk of data into the comments field (I used to see that a lot
before we implemented the captcha visual check) he regularly hangs
at least once in 72 hours... so I will test this solution on that one
and if it doesn't appear again in one week we know we nailed it.

Questions below....

ps. to Bernard... suggestion on logs. good one! I'll do it. tks

At least this dual XEON box has four CPU's....otherwise
our web site(s) would have died a long time ago on this problem.

> On 5 May 2007, at 23:09, Sivakatirswami wrote:
> 
>>
>>     repeat until length(PostIn) >= $CONTENT_LENGTH
>>         read from stdin until ""
>>             put it after PostIn
>>       end repeat


Dave Cragg wrote:
> 
> I'd suspect this part. I used to use this approach, but ran into trouble 
> after moving some scripts to a new server. If something happens to stall 
> the connection during the read process, you'll be in an endless loop, 
> possibly with high CPU usage.
> 
> I've started using something like this. It puts a limit on how many 
> "empty reads" happen before bailing out.  (I copied this quickly, and 
> modified slightly to remove some application specific code. Check before 
> using.):
> 
> local sPostdata = ""
> local sDataRead = false
> local sReadCount = 0
> local sEmptyReadCount = 0
> local sEmptyReadLimit = 200
> local sShortRead = false
> 
> 
> on startup
> 
>  readData
>  repeat while sDataRead = false
>     wait for messages
>   end repeat

## skts: I don't understand "wait for messages" what does that do?

## The rest of this is quite transparent.


>   if sShortRead then
>        ## exit routine needed here

# a good place to use Bernard's log suggestion...
# which will also help confirm that this is the culprit.


>   end if
> 
>   ## carry on
> 
> end startup
> 
> on readData
>    read from stdin for $CONTENT_LENGTH
>    put it into tTemp
>    add 1 to sReadCount
>    if tTemp <> empty then
>      put tTemp after sPostdata
>     else
>       add 1 to sEmptyReadCount
> 
>    end if
>    if length(sPostdata) < $CONTENT_LENGTH then
>      if sEmptyReadCount < sEmptyReadLimit then
>        send readData to me in 50 milliseconds
>      else
>        put true into sDataRead
>        put true into sShortRead
>      end if
>    else
>      put true into sDataRead
>    end if
> end readData
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From david at openpartnership.net  Tue May  8 07:17:48 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:17:48 +0200
Subject: Can this be true: just a few weeks to get Rev running as a
	cross-platform cross-browser browser plugin?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705080417q19d272b2v5c01969e2286046c@mail.gmail.com>

Well according to Peter Fisk (
http://vistasmalltalk.wordpress.com/2007/05/07/smalltalk-dlr-compiler/):

I have built a Smalltalk compiler for the DLR (Dynamic Language Runtime)
> which is currently capable of processing arithmetic expressions. Smalltalk
> is structurally a very simple language, and I estimate that the compiler
> could be completed within one to two weeks.
>

Which basically means that it is possible to run a whole bunch of languages
like IronPython, Smalltalk and Lisp amongst others inside a Windows(
Browser.IE, Browser.Fx) or an OSX(Browser.Fx, Browser.Safari)) using the
Silverlight cross-browser plugin -
http://www.oreillynet.com/windows/blog/2007/05/ironpython_smalltalk_lisp_wind.html

Now is the Transcript language in RunRev that much more complicated than
SmallTalk? If it can take one developer a couple of weeks to build a
SmallTalk compiler then how much effort would it be to do this for RunRev?
Not only would we be able to use Transcript in the browser,  but mix it with
other languages in the .NET / Mono frameworks?

My guess is that it would be a bit more complicated than SmallTalk - and we
would not be able to use the RunRev controls inside the browser. Still to be
able to use Transcript instead of Javasript, and as part of a long term
strategy to get Rev working seamlessly with altBrowser and AJAX style apps -
is this not a good direction to follow? Yes people would need to install the
Silverlight plugin, but this is a Microsoft plugin and a strategic(ish) part
of VISTA?


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue May  8 01:40:54 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 22:40:54 -0700
Subject: Partition benefits . . .
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160705071708k39451a61y2c90db863e48a213@mail.gmail.com>
References: <744473.41767.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<f73a98160705071708k39451a61y2c90db863e48a213@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c265bd3470df@[192.168.1.103]>

Sorry to be contrary, but I don't think another partition is that 
good of a safety net. A second real drive is more reliable in my 
experience.


>
>Still there are a couple of situations where the extra OS on separate
>partition comes in handy, even for OSX;
>
>1) defraging your startup disc
>2) extremely rare on OSX but if you ever install something and suddenly run
>into problems, being able to restart off the other partition and do your
>days work and worry about troubleshooting the normal partition at a more
>convenient time can be a real "phew" moment.
>3) being able to do work whilst running maintenance - you can't do anything
>whilst AppleJack does it's thing.

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue May  8 09:29:29 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:29:29 -0700
Subject: [OT] Where North Americans can get rid of old computers.
In-Reply-To: <833055.72529.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <833055.72529.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c2662b6c031d@[192.168.1.103]>

I don't see anything here about donating old macs. Yes, I am aware of 
suffering in this world.


>Stephen ?
>
>http://www.invisiblechildren.com
>

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From simplsol at aol.com  Tue May  8 09:44:25 2007
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 09:44:25 -0400
Subject: Partition benefits . . .
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c265bd3470df@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <744473.41767.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<f73a98160705071708k39451a61y2c90db863e48a213@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240801c265bd3470df@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <8C95F8E200EE031-E90-10BC@mblk-d34.sysops.aol.com>

I agree.
External drives are very inexpensive now.
If you are running OS X you can even boot from an external drive.
You can buy a six-port Firewire hub for about $50 or daisy-chain over 
60 drives.
When I install servers for small businesses I put the OS on an external 
drive. That way, if the hosting server fails, the user can boot any of 
the other computers from that external drive - and it automatically 
becomes the server - with very limited client reconfiguration.
Paul Looney

-----Original Message-----
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To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: Mon, 7 May 2007 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: Partition benefits . . .

    Sorry to be contrary, but I don't think another partition is that 
good of a safety net. A second real drive is more reliable in my 
experience.?
?
 >?
 >Still there are a couple of situations where the extra OS on separate?
 >partition comes in handy, even for OSX;?
 >?
 >1) defraging your startup disc?
  >2) extremely rare on OSX but if you ever install something and 
suddenly run?
  >into problems, being able to restart off the other partition and do 
your?
  >days work and worry about troubleshooting the normal partition at a 
more?
 >convenient time can be a real "phew" moment.?
  >3) being able to do work whilst running maintenance - you can't do 
anything?
 >whilst AppleJack does it's thing.?
?
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May  8 09:44:54 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 06:44:54 -0700
Subject: Partition benefits . . .
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c265bd3470df@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <744473.41767.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<f73a98160705071708k39451a61y2c90db863e48a213@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240801c265bd3470df@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <E0990373-3138-4F2B-9D0C-03317A403337@cox.net>

Stephen,

Based on my 22 years experience with Macs, some bad, mostly very  
good, I agree with you that the preference for external (or now a  
days, perhaps, - interior) "real" drives is by far the better choice;  
particularly with their very low cost, remembering $800 one and two  
MB hard drives in the 80s. Though much slower, at this time, I look  
forward to the day when we have "huge" DVD-type memory mechanisms  
where there are no whirling disks that can "crash" and "burn" with  
our data. Even now, it would be smart of us to burn more CDs with our  
data instead of trusting these behemoth drives to continue to  
function reliably. Tape was good, but not very convenient, being  
totally linear.

Joe Wilkins

On May 7, 2007, at 10:40 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Sorry to be contrary, but I don't think another partition is that  
> good of a safety net. A second real drive is more reliable in my  
> experience.
>
>
>>
>> Still there are a couple of situations where the extra OS on separate
>> partition comes in handy, even for OSX;
>>
>> 1) defraging your startup disc
>> 2) extremely rare on OSX but if you ever install something and  
>> suddenly run
>> into problems, being able to restart off the other partition and  
>> do your
>> days work and worry about troubleshooting the normal partition at  
>> a more
>> convenient time can be a real "phew" moment.
>> 3) being able to do work whilst running maintenance - you can't do  
>> anything
>> whilst AppleJack does it's thing.
>
> -- 
>
>
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 09:46:19 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:46:19 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [OT] Where North Americans can get rid of old computers.
Message-ID: <208890.29502.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:

"I don't see anything here about donating old macs.
Yes, I am aware of 
suffering in this world."

Well, I never doubted the second statement!

I have copied this link from a comment left by
somebody as a place to donate old computers - whether
Macs or PCs is not clear.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue May  8 10:43:31 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 15:43:31 +0100
Subject: CGI Hung Process Help!
In-Reply-To: <464050AA.3060102@hindu.org>
References: <463D0085.6060505@hindu.org>
	<95074EC6-3108-480C-8B64-F5E14B028F15@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<464050AA.3060102@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <DBC5EE65-C869-44C7-BB62-A38A702F0091@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 8 May 2007, at 11:27, Sivakatirswami wrote:


>>  repeat while sDataRead = false
>>     wait for messages
>>   end repeat
>
> ## skts: I don't understand "wait for messages" what does that do?

The above three lines are the equivalent of this:

      wait until sDataRead is not false with messages

I heard that the "wait for messages" form was less resource intensive  
because the condition was checked less often. But some limited  
testing showed no great difference.

Cheers
Dave




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May  8 10:49:03 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 07:49:03 -0700
Subject: Partition benefits . . .
Message-ID: <46408DDF.9050005@fourthworld.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:
> Still there are a couple of situations where the extra OS on separate
> partition comes in handy, even for OSX;
> 
> 1) defraging your startup disc
> 2) extremely rare on OSX but if you ever install something and suddenly run
> into problems, being able to restart off the other partition and do your
> days work and worry about troubleshooting the normal partition at a more
> convenient time can be a real "phew" moment.
> 3) being able to do work whilst running maintenance - you can't do anything
> whilst AppleJack does it's thing.

Like my grandfather used to say, "When faced with two compelling options 
  each with strong merit, choose both." :)

Whenever I get a new Mac I resist the temptation to start loading stuff 
right away and instead partition it first, so that I have one smaller 
partition dedicated to diagnostics and maintenance utilities.

There are things Disk Utility can do from a separate volume that it 
can't do when repairing permissions on the active volume, and of course 
tools like Disk Warrior only run from a separate volume.

Having the second partition takes only a minute to set up, but gives me 
the convenience of knowing I always have a second volume with me no 
matter where I am.

That said, I also carry an external FireWire drive.  The FireLite series 
from SmartDisk are ultra-tiny (just over 3" long), weigh next to 
nothing, with a rounded form factor that slips in an out of a backpack 
pocket very easily.  They're powered by the FW connection, so they need 
no additional power source or cabling other than the included FW cable.

These drives are very robust -- I've dropped all of mine at one time or 
another, twice even during accesses, and they just keep on working well 
like they've never had any such abuse.

The FW400 interface lets me back up all the work folders on my hard 
drive (>30GB) in just a few minutes, and the FW800 model does it all in 
what feels like less than a fourth of the time -- it's so fast I find 
myself double-checking the drive just to make sure it all copied. :)

<http://www.smartdisk.com/eWeb/smartdiskus/www/staticpages/fireliteporthdd.asp>

No, I don't work for them.  Just love their product.

Currently all of their models are rated at 5400 RPM, so it's on par with 
Apple's built-in drives.  Good luck finding a 7200 RPM portable drive; 
I've been trying, but thus far in 80MB capacities I can only find the 
raw drives, and only from two manufacturers.  I bought a FW enclosure 
thinking I might get around to building my own drive, but I've been so 
happy with the FireLite I can't say I've ever been sufficiently 
motivated. :)

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From robmann at gp-racing.com  Tue May  8 11:06:48 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:06:48 -0400
Subject: pictures in mysql database
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAGE8gfhtX5NFoOj4+Yk6roQBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

Have some pictures in a mysql database I am not sure how to get them to
display in my image field this is what I have tried so far

 

put "SELECT * FROM pictures WHERE pictures.name= 'ctgFork01';" into theSQL

    put revQueryDatabase(dbID, theSQL) into curID

     put revDatabaseColumnNamed(curID,"picture") into ctg1

     set the filename of image "ctg1" to ctg1 -- this did not work

--or  this one    

put ctg1 into image "ctg1"

 

anyone know what I need to do to get the picture to display?

 

Thanks

Rob

 



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue May  8 11:06:33 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 17:06:33 +0200
Subject: Partition benefits . . .
In-Reply-To: <46408DDF.9050005@fourthworld.com>
References: <46408DDF.9050005@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C9BFFC04-4066-41F1-9B98-78B251F8A357@ezpzapps.com>


On May 8, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> That said, I also carry an external FireWire drive.  The FireLite  
> series from SmartDisk are ultra-tiny (just over 3" long), weigh  
> next to nothing, with a rounded form factor that slips in an out of  
> a backpack pocket very easily.  They're powered by the FW  
> connection, so they need no additional power source or cabling  
> other than the included FW cable.

I have one also - beautiful product.

However, I use Superduper to back up with and the Firelite cannot
act as a boot drive. Works great otherwise.

Can you boot from yours Richard?

My main backup is an OWC Mercury - fantastic machine.

Jim Sims
Custom Software Development
www.EZPZapps.com




From simplsol at aol.com  Tue May  8 11:55:29 2007
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 11:55:29 -0400
Subject: Partition benefits . . .
In-Reply-To: <C9BFFC04-4066-41F1-9B98-78B251F8A357@ezpzapps.com>
References: <46408DDF.9050005@fourthworld.com>
	<C9BFFC04-4066-41F1-9B98-78B251F8A357@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <8C95FA06FC54827-131C-197B@WEBMAIL-MB03.sysops.aol.com>

Jim,
I use a Firelite and Superduper to backup my PowerBook, OS 10.4.9, and 
I CAN boot from the Firelite (just retested to be sure - am writing 
this with the laptop powered by the OS on the Firelite).

Richard,
It appears that the 7200 rpm Firelite is not sold anymore.

Paul Looney

-----Original Message-----
From: sims at ezpzapps.com
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tue, 8 May 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: Partition benefits . . .

   On May 8, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:?
?
 >?
  > That said, I also carry an external FireWire drive. The FireLite > 
series from SmartDisk are ultra-tiny (just over 3" long), weigh > next 
to nothing, with a rounded form factor that slips in an out of > a 
backpack pocket very easily. They're powered by the FW > connection, so 
they need no additional power source or cabling > other than the 
included FW cable.?
?
 I have one also - beautiful product.?
?
 However, I use Superduper to back up with and the Firelite cannot?
 act as a boot drive. Works great otherwise.?
?
 Can you boot from yours Richard??
?
 My main backup is an OWC Mercury - fantastic machine.?
?
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue May  8 12:09:12 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 19:09:12 +0300
Subject: Partition benefits . . .
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c265bd3470df@192.168.1.103>
References: <744473.41767.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<f73a98160705071708k39451a61y2c90db863e48a213@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240801c265bd3470df@192.168.1.103>
Message-ID: <f73a98160705080909v2669808di317c76d94860e81b@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/8/07, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry to be contrary, but I don't think another partition is that
> good of a safety net. A second real drive is more reliable in my
> experience.


Absolutely, but this thread originally came about by you mentioning that you
have a 250GB HD in a Mac that only recognizes 120GB, seems to be a waste if
you don't use it. As stated, one of the things I do on such a partition is
to keep a pristine copy of the OS, it makes regular HD maintenance that
normally requires starting off a CD a breeze and, as I don't take my backup
HD on the road with me, has saved my bacon more than a dozen times
(admitedly far more with Classic than OSX). On a separate HD (and
CDs/DVDs) I keep backups/archives of the 'in use' OS and working files.

As Richard says, each approach has it's advantages; I use partitions for
theirs and separate HDs for theirs.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May  8 13:20:00 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 10:20:00 -0700
Subject: [OT] Pew Article on Web 2.0
Message-ID: <4640B140.6040806@fourthworld.com>

One of my customers just pass this URL to me, a blog entry with a good 
summary of a recent survey from the Pew Internet & American Life project:
<http://searchengineland.com/070507-095250.php>

The summary of that summary is that the audience for Web 2.0 
applications may be smaller than those of us immersed in the tech world 
might believe.

My personal take is that this bodes well for us Rev folks in a couple 
ways. First, with the Rev CGI of course we can deploy Web 2.0 systems 
now, ahead of the curve.  But I think it also bodes well for "Web 3.0", 
desktop apps that take advantage of Internet connectivity within a 
comfortable, responsive context that users continue to enjoy, and course 
those are trivial to make with Rev.

If you're interested in the straight dope, here's the link to the page 
at Pew with the downloaded PDF of the report:
<http://www.pewinternet.org/PPF/r/213/report_display.asp>

-- 
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May  8 13:27:53 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 10:27:53 -0700
Subject: Function Points
Message-ID: <4640B319.8060104@fourthworld.com>

While working on some code base analysis tools, I began to wonder about 
the up-front side of the equation, estimating.

Although there are many useful measurements for code base analysis, I've 
found few methods for measuring the scope of a project before the code 
is written.

Perhaps the most popular is counting function points, but as I've looked 
into this it seems that even the best methods for counting function 
points have a strong subjective element (when is a particular input 
considered "complex"?).  So while I can see the value for large shops 
where the same teams might derive function point counts across a great 
many projects, I haven't yet come across a method of measuring project 
scope in a way that allows different smaller shops to compare their 
findings in any meaningful way.

Do any of you use function point analysis?  What other methods of 
quantitatively scoping a project have you found useful? What constitutes 
a function point in Rev, and how does one weight it?

And perhaps more to the point:  Am I looking for a Holy Grail in trying 
to find an objective measurement for projects which don't have any code yet?

-- 
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  Fourth World Media Corporation
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From robmann at gp-racing.com  Tue May  8 13:45:45 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 13:45:45 -0400
Subject: pictures in mysql database
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAGE8gfhtX5NFoOj4+Yk6roQBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAPIKc/voLdhKiVwsffvNhM0BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

I found this on the list and should work

put "SELECT * FROM pictures WHERE pictures.ID = 3" into theSQL
    put revQueryDatabaseBLOB(dbID, theSQL) into curID
    put revDatabaseColumnNamed(curID,"picture") into tdata 
    put tdata into image "ctg1"

but not for me it returns this

% PNG



-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Robert Mann
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 11:07 AM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: pictures in mysql database

Have some pictures in a mysql database I am not sure how to get them to
display in my image field this is what I have tried so far

 

put "SELECT * FROM pictures WHERE pictures.name= 'ctgFork01';" into theSQL

    put revQueryDatabase(dbID, theSQL) into curID

     put revDatabaseColumnNamed(curID,"picture") into ctg1

     set the filename of image "ctg1" to ctg1 -- this did not work

--or  this one    

put ctg1 into image "ctg1"

 

anyone know what I need to do to get the picture to display?

 

Thanks

Rob

 

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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue May  8 14:50:58 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 19:50:58 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Partition benefits . . .
Message-ID: <844300.37161.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well . . .

Apart from Applejack, on the computers that run Mac OS
10 I have, either a second partition (wife's G4 iBook,
my PPC Mac Mini) or another HD with an OS on it (my G4
Windtunnel has 4 HDs).

http://applejack.sourceforge.net/

apropos de quoi je voudrais to point out that 'Cider'
in the part of the world where my Mother comes from
(Somerset/Dorset, England) contains about 12% alcohol,
plus an extremely large proportion of fusel oils, and
is exactly what North Americans call "Applejack'.

Unfortunately the word 'Cider' has been debased, in
both the American Colonies and Bulgaria to mean either
Apple juice, or Apple flavoured fizzo.

While I am on the topic of the American Colonies, I
see that the Hanoverian usurper is currently visiting
the Head of the Colonial Rebels in the said Colonies.
I, as a good Scot, remain loyal to my sovereign,
Francis II:

http://www.defendersofscotland.org/monarch.htm

What I would say in favour of Applejack is that most
of my crashes (about 1 a week with 10.4.x) a choice of
Number 5 (cleans out VM) does the trick ()% of the
time and takes about 1 minute:

so: reboot into Cmd-line = 2 mins

Applejack #4 = 1 min

reboot = 2 mins

total = 5 mins  

CF...

other HD/partition/boot CD:

reboot = 2 mins

hanging around while Disk Utility "sees" the HDs = 10
- 25 minutes

Disk Utility "struts its funky stuff" = 10 - 25
minutes

reboot 2 mins

NO CONTEST

Of course, if you want to get on with the work a quick
reboot from another partition/HD with all the Prefs,
Plug-in and so forth = 2 mins

BUT you are still left with the need to sort out the
problematic initial boot HD/Part.

or, as a friend of mine puts it "to DeF**k the bl**dy
thing" - which, on a daft Sunday morning (say about 5
am) is, albeit, very rude, almost exactly how I feel.
[And before you rush to say it, 5 repetitions of one's
Gayatri Mantra, while possibly appeasing Indra and
various other capricious divine entities, does not
seem to speed up the time taken sorting out one's
computer!].

Should anyone reading this message decide that parts
of it are quite mad; they are right - Richmond is
having a lot of fun:

Your part in the fun is to work out which parts are
serious, and which parts are a tremendous leg-pull.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue May  8 15:13:48 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 15:13:48 -0400
Subject: Partition benefits . . .
In-Reply-To: <844300.37161.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C266442C.32C80%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I couldn't help but notice someone saying how they wished their data was
backed up to a more secure CD instead of hard drives. Here in the rainforest
( www.rainforestinn.com ) where I work a CD only lasts a few months while a
hard drive that is kept powered lasts years. So we put all our music CD's
and all our DVD's into hard drives as soon as possible before the aluminum
layer of the external media starts to corrode and then be unreadable.

So hard drives are the most reliable storage medium we can get. Tapes are
much much worse here as they can go bad with a weird mold growth in less
than a month.


On 5/8/07 2:50 PM, "Richmond Mathewson" <geradamas at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Well . . .
> 
> Apart from Applejack, on the computers that run Mac OS
> 10 I have, either a second partition (wife's G4 iBook,
> my PPC Mac Mini) or another HD with an OS on it (my G4
> Windtunnel has 4 HDs).
> 
> http://applejack.sourceforge.net/
> 
> apropos de quoi je voudrais to point out that 'Cider'
> in the part of the world where my Mother comes from
> (Somerset/Dorset, England) contains about 12% alcohol,
> plus an extremely large proportion of fusel oils, and
> is exactly what North Americans call "Applejack'.
> 
> Unfortunately the word 'Cider' has been debased, in
> both the American Colonies and Bulgaria to mean either
> Apple juice, or Apple flavoured fizzo.
> 
> While I am on the topic of the American Colonies, I
> see that the Hanoverian usurper is currently visiting
> the Head of the Colonial Rebels in the said Colonies.
> I, as a good Scot, remain loyal to my sovereign,
> Francis II:
> 
> http://www.defendersofscotland.org/monarch.htm
> 
> What I would say in favour of Applejack is that most
> of my crashes (about 1 a week with 10.4.x) a choice of
> Number 5 (cleans out VM) does the trick ()% of the
> time and takes about 1 minute:
> 
> so: reboot into Cmd-line = 2 mins
> 
> Applejack #4 = 1 min
> 
> reboot = 2 mins
> 
> total = 5 mins  
> 
> CF...
> 
> other HD/partition/boot CD:
> 
> reboot = 2 mins
> 
> hanging around while Disk Utility "sees" the HDs = 10
> - 25 minutes
> 
> Disk Utility "struts its funky stuff" = 10 - 25
> minutes
> 
> reboot 2 mins
> 
> NO CONTEST
> 
> Of course, if you want to get on with the work a quick
> reboot from another partition/HD with all the Prefs,
> Plug-in and so forth = 2 mins
> 
> BUT you are still left with the need to sort out the
> problematic initial boot HD/Part.
> 
> or, as a friend of mine puts it "to DeF**k the bl**dy
> thing" - which, on a daft Sunday morning (say about 5
> am) is, albeit, very rude, almost exactly how I feel.
> [And before you rush to say it, 5 repetitions of one's
> Gayatri Mantra, while possibly appeasing Indra and
> various other capricious divine entities, does not
> seem to speed up the time taken sorting out one's
> computer!].
> 
> Should anyone reading this message decide that parts
> of it are quite mad; they are right - Richmond is
> having a lot of fun:
> 
> Your part in the fun is to work out which parts are
> serious, and which parts are a tremendous leg-pull.
> 
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> 
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From RGould8 at aol.com  Tue May  8 15:49:00 2007
From: RGould8 at aol.com (RGould8 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 15:49:00 EDT
Subject: Stack that pulls down embedded font off the web
Message-ID: <bd1.12831880.33722e2c@aol.com>

Say, any idea if I can write a "stub stack" that pulls down a second stack 
off the internet, and yet uses a font that's embedded in that second stack, 
using the new font embedding technology in Rev?




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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May  8 16:04:30 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 13:04:30 -0700
Subject: Stack that pulls down embedded font off the web
Message-ID: <4640D7CE.8070201@fourthworld.com>

RGould8 wrote:
> Say, any idea if I can write a "stub stack" that pulls down a second stack 
> off the internet, and yet uses a font that's embedded in that second stack, 
> using the new font embedding technology in Rev?

Hard to say. I went to RunRev.com to take a look at the altFont, but I 
can't find it.

Is locating the acquired alt stuff some sort of adventure game, or did I 
miss an obvious link on the front page or storefront somewhere?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May  8 16:11:02 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 15:11:02 -0500
Subject: Stack that pulls down embedded font off the web
In-Reply-To: <4640D7CE.8070201@fourthworld.com>
References: <4640D7CE.8070201@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4640D956.1090506@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> RGould8 wrote:
>> Say, any idea if I can write a "stub stack" that pulls down a second 
>> stack off the internet, and yet uses a font that's embedded in that 
>> second stack, using the new font embedding technology in Rev?
> 
> Hard to say. I went to RunRev.com to take a look at the altFont, but I 
> can't find it.
> 
> Is locating the acquired alt stuff some sort of adventure game, or did I 
> miss an obvious link on the front page or storefront somewhere?
> 

Did you look in the latest beta distribution? You already have it. :) 
It's "revFont" now, BTW.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May  8 16:24:04 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 15:24:04 -0500
Subject: Stack that pulls down embedded font off the web
In-Reply-To: <bd1.12831880.33722e2c@aol.com>
References: <bd1.12831880.33722e2c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4640DC64.20100@hyperactivesw.com>

RGould8 at aol.com wrote:
> Say, any idea if I can write a "stub stack" that pulls down a second stack 
> off the internet, and yet uses a font that's embedded in that second stack, 
> using the new font embedding technology in Rev?

I don't see why not. If the remote stack has the font embedded, you'd 
just need to install the font when the stack opens and uninstall when it 
closes.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May  8 17:18:58 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 16:18:58 -0500
Subject: Function Points
In-Reply-To: <4640B319.8060104@fourthworld.com>
References: <4640B319.8060104@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705081418x4c673576rfe3fa583299bd268@mail.gmail.com>

Nope, don't use Function points here. But I do have experience in estimating
project scope. Here's some ideas:

1) First, get a small upfront check to build the spec. A defined spec will
help greatly in creating an estimate for what it takes to complete a
project. I typically like to create large scale blueprints outlining the
interface flow/design of a project, and they generally don't cost over a
couple grand to create. I've found over the years typically more work goes
into the GUI and hooking it up, than the back-end.

2) After you have a project blueprint and have gone over it with the
customer, you'll need to define the development 'nature' of a project. We
prefer a modified Extreme Programming methodology <
http://www.extremeprogramming.org/> whereby we set early and frequent
milestones with the knowledge things can and will change during the process.

At Human Code we generally worked on a different model as a product HAD TO
SHIP ON TIME, so we could spec it out, start to finish, at the beginning.
Create a schedule and keep to it no matter what. While this did satisfy the
customer requirements, it ended up many times creating a less than stellar
finished product.

3) If forced to make a not to exceed bid, I generally go over the blueprint,
and estimate as accurately as I can how long it will take, then multiply
times 3. I typically explain to my customers they get a better and more cost
effective project by paying 'by the hour' as opposed to 'fixed bid.' Fixed
bids have more detailed specs and a ECN process (Engineering Change Notice)
by where we can modify the projected schedule, budgets and deliverables.

Lastly, THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR EXPERIENCE in estimating a project.

HTH,
Chipp


From revcompgeek at gmail.com  Tue May  8 17:29:19 2007
From: revcompgeek at gmail.com (Matthew)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 15:29:19 -0600
Subject: External problem
In-Reply-To: <6505E755-1C46-445E-8EA1-F507353586F0@looktowindward.com>
References: <18135D24-7EE4-4C37-BD69-9F2C4B7C55F5@gmail.com>
	<6505E755-1C46-445E-8EA1-F507353586F0@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <70133B48-3397-47EB-ADC8-83EB3C27806C@gmail.com>

Yes, I am on a Mac working with XCode.

Dave, what definitions do I need inside that code? I have seen it  
before, but I guess I don't understand what it does.
-- 
Matthew Peterson
Programmer
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center


On Apr 19, 2007, at 8:10 AM, Dave wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Without looking at the code I'm can't tell for certain, but I think  
> this is to do with C vs C++. You need to surround it with:
>
> #ifdef __cplusplus
> extern "C"
> {
> #endif
>
> ---------- Definitions Here
>
> #ifdef __cplusplus
> };
> #endif
>
> Hope this Helps
> Dave
>
> On 18 Apr 2007, at 18:20, Matthew wrote:
>
>> I am currently trying to build a SHA1 library in the hopes that it  
>> will run faster than ShaoSean's library (Great library by the  
>> way). I have the code all written out and no errors in the code  
>> itself, but when i try to compile it has 1 error and it says:
>>
>> Undefined symbols:
>> 	_getXtable
>> 	(part of path removed)/ExternalsEnvironment2_mod/sha1_hash/cache/ 
>> Debug/sha1_hash.build/Objects-normal/ppc/sha1_hash.o reference to  
>> undefined _getXtable
>> 	symbols names listed in -exported_symbols_list: (part of path  
>> removed)/ExternalsEnvironmentV2_mod/sha1_hash/sha1_hash.exports  
>> not in linked objects
>> 	_getXtaable
>> 	collect2: Id returned 1 exit status
>>
>> looking in both externals.c and externals.h i notice that  
>> getXtable is defined but not _getXtable. Is there something that I  
>> should change to fix this?
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From revcompgeek at gmail.com  Tue May  8 17:44:46 2007
From: revcompgeek at gmail.com (Matthew)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 15:44:46 -0600
Subject: on returnkey doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <C2624F29.45C2F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2624F29.45C2F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A38BE5D0-398F-4EEE-B250-A8B5814B0A59@gmail.com>

you might also try something like the closeField handler. It is sent  
to the field whenever the user changed something in it. If you were  
to put one in the card script and check the target, it should tell  
you which field it was, although I have not tested it.
-- 
Matthew Peterson
Programmer
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center


On May 5, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Using these two handler in a card script works fine:
>
> card script
> -----------------------
> on returnKey
>   go next
> end returnKey
>
> on returninfield
>   put the seconds && " user hit return in " & the target
> end returninfield
>
> Without a returninfield override handler, then the "tab on return"  
> as true
> on  each field means that upon reaching the last visible line, the  
> tab key
> will be the effect.  Now the layer order of the fields controls the  
> movement
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On 5/5/07 2:36 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Back, again with what could be a pretty stupid question, and...
>> this seems like a pretty elementary feature that should work, but
>> doesn't - for me - right now.
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> I've put the following into a card script and then tried it in a
>> field script that would have an insertion point or some selected
>> text. Essentially, I'm trying to identify which of the 45 text fields
>> on a card is the one in which the user has just entered something, so
>> that I can use the return key to go to the next field; the tab key
>> works fine in this regard, but I'd like the return key to do the same
>> thing. Each of these text fields only uses the first line, but if the
>> return key is pressed now, it goes to the next line. Perhaps I should
>> be using a different type of field; maybe a label instead?
>>
>> on returnKey
>>     -- do anything; I tried a beep and as the dictionary said: go
>> next cd; nothing happens
>> end returnKey
>>
>> Then in a field
>> on returnField
>>    -- ditto
>> end returnField
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May  8 17:55:23 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 14:55:23 -0700
Subject: on returnkey doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <A38BE5D0-398F-4EEE-B250-A8B5814B0A59@gmail.com>
References: <C2624F29.45C2F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<A38BE5D0-398F-4EEE-B250-A8B5814B0A59@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9AEC51C2-9BC4-4822-98E0-24A0E1597A31@cox.net>

Guess I forgot to get back with the solution to my question; since it  
was really quite simple. I just has had to set the Tab On Return  
property of each of the Fields to true; now pressing return or enter  
functions the same as pressing the TAB key. Sorry... I believe it was  
Jim who proded me in the right direction.

Joe Wilkins

On May 8, 2007, at 2:44 PM, Matthew wrote:

> you might also try something like the closeField handler. It is  
> sent to the field whenever the user changed something in it. If you  
> were to put one in the card script and check the target, it should  
> tell you which field it was, although I have not tested it.
> -- 
> Matthew Peterson
> Programmer
> Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center
>
>
> On May 5, 2007, at 4:11 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
>
>> Using these two handler in a card script works fine:
>>
>> card script
>> -----------------------
>> on returnKey
>>   go next
>> end returnKey
>>
>> on returninfield
>>   put the seconds && " user hit return in " & the target
>> end returninfield
>>
>> Without a returninfield override handler, then the "tab on return"  
>> as true
>> on  each field means that upon reaching the last visible line, the  
>> tab key
>> will be the effect.  Now the layer order of the fields controls  
>> the movement
>>
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>>
>>
>> On 5/5/07 2:36 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Back, again with what could be a pretty stupid question, and...
>>> this seems like a pretty elementary feature that should work, but
>>> doesn't - for me - right now.
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> I've put the following into a card script and then tried it in a
>>> field script that would have an insertion point or some selected
>>> text. Essentially, I'm trying to identify which of the 45 text  
>>> fields
>>> on a card is the one in which the user has just entered  
>>> something, so
>>> that I can use the return key to go to the next field; the tab key
>>> works fine in this regard, but I'd like the return key to do the  
>>> same
>>> thing. Each of these text fields only uses the first line, but if  
>>> the
>>> return key is pressed now, it goes to the next line. Perhaps I  
>>> should
>>> be using a different type of field; maybe a label instead?
>>>
>>> on returnKey
>>>     -- do anything; I tried a beep and as the dictionary said: go
>>> next cd; nothing happens
>>> end returnKey
>>>
>>> Then in a field
>>> on returnField
>>>    -- ditto
>>> end returnField
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> Joe Wilkins
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May  8 22:37:02 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 19:37:02 -0700
Subject: Dynamic Language Runtime
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705080417q19d272b2v5c01969e2286046c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705080417q19d272b2v5c01969e2286046c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92265116447.20070508193702@ahsoftware.net>

David-

I was part of a DLR roundtable discussion at CommunityOne day at
JavaOne yesterday, so I think I can speak to this from the bleeding
edge. A few points to consider:

1. The DLR is alpha. I'm bullish on it, and it's very promising, but
there are quite a few rough edges and things that just aren't worked
out yet. There's no consensus on threads, for instance. Give it time.

2. The DLR means a lot more than just being able to run something in a
browser. It promises cross-language compatibility, the ability to run
modules written in one language within the context of another
language.

3. There's never been a jit compiler for xtalk. Not that it couldn't
be done, but that brings headaches of its own. The whole "short path /
long path" thing, for one, is something that I don't think has ever
been considered for xtalk syntax.

4. Peter Fisk's Smalltalk compiler is "capable of processing
arithmetic expressions". That's still a far cry from a full-blown
Smalltalk compiler. I'm reasonably certain that a compiler that would
process "put 2 + 3" in Transcript wouldn't be that hard to build. But
there's a lot more to the infrastructure than that.

5. We can't all be Peter Fisk.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From katir at hindu.org  Tue May  8 23:08:51 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 17:08:51 -1000
Subject: CGI Hung Process Help!
In-Reply-To: <DBC5EE65-C869-44C7-BB62-A38A702F0091@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <463D0085.6060505@hindu.org>	<95074EC6-3108-480C-8B64-F5E14B028F15@lacscentre.co.uk>	<464050AA.3060102@hindu.org>
	<DBC5EE65-C869-44C7-BB62-A38A702F0091@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <46413B43.8020902@hindu.org>

Dave Cragg wrote:
> 
> On 8 May 2007, at 11:27, Sivakatirswami wrote:
> 
> 
>>>  repeat while sDataRead = false
>>>     wait for messages
>>>   end repeat
>>
>> ## skts: I don't understand "wait for messages" what does that do?
> 
> The above three lines are the equivalent of this:
> 
>      wait until sDataRead is not false with messages
> 
> I heard that the "wait for messages" form was less resource intensive 
> because the condition was checked less often. But some limited testing 
> showed no great difference.


What confuses me is that I thought "wait" was a blocker, but
this is news to me:  you can have a "wait" handler
but  if you have previously initiated a "send in" loop, those
continue on, even if a "wait" has been set elsewhere.

Sivakatirswami


From cowhead at mac.com  Wed May  9 03:25:40 2007
From: cowhead at mac.com (www.MeltingPotBar.com)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 16:25:40 +0900
Subject: strange blending ink problem
Message-ID: <7D4D34BF-B433-4961-85B3-D3C84D979D13@mac.com>

With latest Rev Media on a Mac (various Macs) I've gotten a strange  
effect where the blending/ink of images gets somehow altered (and  
thus the images seem to disappear).  This happens on old stacks that  
have been stable for years.  Has anyone else experienced this?

mark mitchell
Japan


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Wed May  9 04:31:26 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 09:31:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: The opposite of "focus after" ???
Message-ID: <745497.62762.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The Life-President of the SL-O-W  L-E-A-R-N-E-R-S
calling :)

So, if I want the cursor to "land" at the end of a
string inside a text field I use:

Focus after fld "XYZ"

HOWEVER, I looked fairly foolish when I typed 'Focus
before fld "XYZ"' in an attempt to get the cursor to
"land" in front of the string!

Help gratefully recieved.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed May  9 04:46:31 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 10:46:31 +0200
Subject: The opposite of "focus after" ???
In-Reply-To: <745497.62762.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <745497.62762.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0DC2E649-51EC-40DE-B767-C45C5F7FB2DF@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Richmond,

Le 9 mai 07 ? 10:31, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> So, if I want the cursor to "land" at the end of a
> string inside a text field I use:
>
> Focus after fld "XYZ"
>
> HOWEVER, I looked fairly foolish when I typed 'Focus
> before fld "XYZ"' in an attempt to get the cursor to
> "land" in front of the string!

focus on fld "XYZ" will always select after text.
Prefer to use 'select' that is more versatile:
select before text of fld "XYZ"
select after text of fld "XYZ"
select char 1 to 5 of fld "XYZ"
select word 1 to 5 of fld "XYZ"
select empty
etc.

BTW you can't use 'before' or 'after' with the focus command.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Wed May  9 05:15:54 2007
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 10:15:54 +0100
Subject: Cluster analysis
In-Reply-To: <20070508160919.F2F2E48936D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070508160919.F2F2E48936D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <93443995-B2F3-458D-BB7A-B862CBE76661@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>

Anyone out there in Revland understand cluster analysis?

How hard would it be to

a/  script the analysis

b/  draw a visual representation of clusters

Even better, anyone out there who has already done it?


Best Wishes,

David Glasgow
Carlton Glasgow Partnership

http://www.i-psych.co.uk



From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Wed May  9 05:41:42 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 11:41:42 +0200
Subject: OT : equivalent of BBEdit on Windows ?
Message-ID: <46419755.D931EBB6@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

Could someone advise a text editor with functions similar
to BBEdit on Windows ?

Thanks in advance,
JB



From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Wed May  9 05:23:44 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:23:44 +0200
Subject: ::OT : equivalent of BBEdit on Windows ?
In-Reply-To: <46419755.D931EBB6@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <OFC7BEF763.13FFA524-ONC12572D6.003394CC-C12572D6.00339C6B@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi JB

UltraEdit or Notepad++ work great...

---------------------=---------------------
Xavier Bury
Clearstream Services


use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 09/05/2007 11:41:42:

> Hi list,
> 
> Could someone advise a text editor with functions similar
> to BBEdit on Windows ?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> JB
> 
> _______________________________________________



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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed May  9 06:13:47 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 13:13:47 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: Cluster analysis
References: <93443995-B2F3-458D-BB7A-B862CBE76661@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <46419EDB.000001.02456@MAZYTIS>

Hi David, 
 
You may find these resources helpful: 
http://obelia.jde.aca.mmu.ac.uk/multivar/ca.htm 
http://www.statsoft.com/textbook/stcluan.html
 
Best wishes
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: David Glasgow 
Date: 09/05/2007 12:16:05 
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com 
Subject: Cluster analysis 
 
Anyone out there in Revland understand cluster analysis? 
 
How hard would it be to 
 
a/ script the analysis 
 
b/ draw a visual representation of clusters 
 
Even better, anyone out there who has already done it? 
 
 
Best Wishes, 
 
David Glasgow 
Carlton Glasgow Partnership 
 
http://www.i-psych.co.uk 
 
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed May  9 06:13:22 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:13:22 +0100
Subject: Partition benefits . . .
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160705080909v2669808di317c76d94860e81b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <744473.41767.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<f73a98160705071708k39451a61y2c90db863e48a213@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240801c265bd3470df@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705080909v2669808di317c76d94860e81b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0954A8F-8FAD-43C7-81E8-FDF8C44BABDB@azurevision.co.uk>

I normally have a 'system' partition and a 'docs' partition on  
laptops, but mostly due to being a control freak... and it's the  
easiest way to then have an external drive with a known-good copy of  
the system plus a latest backup copy of the system without copying  
the *entire* drive twice.

Ian


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed May  9 06:19:46 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 13:19:46 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: OT : equivalent of BBEdit on Windows ?
References: <46419755.D931EBB6@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <4641A042.000003.02456@MAZYTIS>

Try Crimson editor: 
http://www.crimsoneditor.com/ 
Supports syntax highliting of lots of languages, regular expressions,
replace on multiple documents. Extendable via custom syntax files. Multiple
redo and undo, macros, spell checker, etc... 
 
There is a project to port it to multiple OSes: http://www.emeraldeditor
com/ 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: jbv 
Date: 09/05/2007 12:17:40 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: OT : equivalent of BBEdit on Windows ? 
 
Hi list, 
 
Could someone advise a text editor with functions similar 
to BBEdit on Windows ? 
 
Thanks in advance, 
JB 
 
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed May  9 07:44:31 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 12:44:31 +0100
Subject: OT : equivalent of BBEdit on Windows ?
In-Reply-To: <4641A042.000003.02456@MAZYTIS>
References: <46419755.D931EBB6@club-internet.fr>
	<4641A042.000003.02456@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <5694669E-DA5B-4959-A680-2DD19B8DD659@anachreon.co.uk>

Tried www.pspad.com/en ?

Cheers,

Luis.


On 9 May 2007, at 11:19, Viktoras Didziulis wrote:

> Try Crimson editor:
> http://www.crimsoneditor.com/
> Supports syntax highliting of lots of languages, regular expressions,
> replace on multiple documents. Extendable via custom syntax files.  
> Multiple
> redo and undo, macros, spell checker, etc...
>
> There is a project to port it to multiple OSes: http:// 
> www.emeraldeditor
> com/
>
> All the best!
> Viktoras
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: jbv
> Date: 09/05/2007 12:17:40
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: OT : equivalent of BBEdit on Windows ?
>
> Hi list,
>
> Could someone advise a text editor with functions similar
> to BBEdit on Windows ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> JB
>
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From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Wed May  9 09:47:43 2007
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:47:43 +0200
Subject: Browser functionality and data in a stack
Message-ID: <9ACC9FCE-C39B-414E-9802-7D2355E18EBE@de-mare.nl>

Hi all,

I am happy with the new browser features the newest beta/release  
candidate has. It can display HTML files, both online and offline.

But how about data in a stack? Suppose I have a field or a variable  
containing XHTML with CSS. I cannot set the htmlText of a field to  
that without losing layout elements.

I could setup the stack as CGI and navigate the browser to http:// 
127.0.0.1/form.cgi, but that is a lot of overhead.

A better workaround is to write the content to a text file and then  
navigate the browser element to file:///Users/my/Desktop/ 
whatever.html. But it is still a workaround.

So I wonder: is there also a DIRECT way to do that?

Also, I understand that it is 'impossible' (yet) to edit text in the  
browser :-) But what about form entries? Can the stack receive  
feedback from the browser in any way?

Terry


From david at openpartnership.net  Wed May  9 11:21:09 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:21:09 +0200
Subject: Dynamic Language Runtime
In-Reply-To: <92265116447.20070508193702@ahsoftware.net>
References: <c1c5836b0705080417q19d272b2v5c01969e2286046c@mail.gmail.com>
	<92265116447.20070508193702@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705090821q42ce3fd8ica5cb359e48ce73a@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mark. In general you seem to be supporting the potential of this
path? It seems at this stage more promising than other stabs at this no -
say Open Scripting Architecture (OSA), and yes it means a lot more than just
a browser plugin - though i guess this would get most peoples attention
here?

A question about "writing a transcript compiler for DLR"? What does this
involve - starting from scratch in C# or if you were RunRev and already
presumably had some code basis for a compiler would you be able to use that
directly - I guess not. Secondly if it means starting from scratch would
that mean anyone could legally undertake such a thing - that is to write a
minimal Transcript compiler for the DLR. Its not something I am picturing
doing - but I am curious :)

On 09/05/07, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>
> David-
>
> I was part of a DLR roundtable discussion at CommunityOne day at
> JavaOne yesterday, so I think I can speak to this from the bleeding
> edge. A few points to consider:
>
> 1. The DLR is alpha. I'm bullish on it, and it's very promising, but
> there are quite a few rough edges and things that just aren't worked
> out yet. There's no consensus on threads, for instance. Give it time.
>
> 2. The DLR means a lot more than just being able to run something in a
> browser. It promises cross-language compatibility, the ability to run
> modules written in one language within the context of another
> language.
>
> 3. There's never been a jit compiler for xtalk. Not that it couldn't
> be done, but that brings headaches of its own. The whole "short path /
> long path" thing, for one, is something that I don't think has ever
> been considered for xtalk syntax.
>
> 4. Peter Fisk's Smalltalk compiler is "capable of processing
> arithmetic expressions". That's still a far cry from a full-blown
> Smalltalk compiler. I'm reasonably certain that a compiler that would
> process "put 2 + 3" in Transcript wouldn't be that hard to build. But
> there's a lot more to the infrastructure than that.
>
> 5. We can't all be Peter Fisk.


From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed May  9 11:32:09 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 17:32:09 +0200
Subject: why does my popup menu works only in a function call?
Message-ID: <004001c7924f$362a9320$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello, I think I am still missing some rev basics.

I created a right click menu which is called in a mouseDown handler like
this (shortform):

On Mousedown

get mausMenue()

 

The function looks like this (shortform):

function mausMenue

popup stack "mausMenue"

 

This works like desired. But my first approach was like following:

On Mousedown

Send "mausMenue"

 

The handler looks like this (shortform):

on mausMenue

popup stack "mausMenue"

 

and this way my app freezes after the popup and cann only be killed with my
taskmanger.

 

I would like to understand, what the difference is and what my fault is why
the second approach doesn't work.

Any help appreciated

Tiemo

 

 

 

 



From robmann at gp-racing.com  Wed May  9 11:46:11 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:46:11 -0400
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAMUcTc9m8nFGtY/nLPOpfvABAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

I am not having much luck getting pictures from a database,  so is there a
way to protect images that you copy when you build a standalone? i.e. put
them in a password protected folder or is there a way embed them right into
the card, not link them to the file path, put actually place the image into
the card?

 

Thanks

Rob

 

 



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed May  9 11:53:41 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 08:53:41 -0700
Subject: strange blending ink problem
In-Reply-To: <7D4D34BF-B433-4961-85B3-D3C84D979D13@mac.com>
References: <7D4D34BF-B433-4961-85B3-D3C84D979D13@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C81A5ABD-775E-4900-BCBD-C8C37124C0C0@canelasoftware.com>


On May 9, 2007, at 12:25 AM, www.MeltingPotBar.com wrote:

> With latest Rev Media on a Mac (various Macs) I've gotten a strange  
> effect where the blending/ink of images gets somehow altered (and  
> thus the images seem to disappear).  This happens on old stacks  
> that have been stable for years.  Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> mark mitchell
> Japan


There have been some changes to allow for transparency.  Please see BZ:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4588>
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4492>


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed May  9 11:57:43 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 10:57:43 -0500
Subject: OT : equivalent of BBEdit on Windows ?
In-Reply-To: <46419755.D931EBB6@club-internet.fr>
References: <46419755.D931EBB6@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <20070509105743379069.1955e2b8@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 09 May 2007 11:41:42 +0200, jbv wrote:

> Hi list,
> 
> Could someone advise a text editor with functions similar
> to BBEdit on Windows ?

I like TextPad 5 (http://www.textpad.com/).

Just throwing out another choice.
:-)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed May  9 12:01:51 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 09:01:51 -0700
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAMUcTc9m8nFGtY/nLPOpfvABAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <C2673E7F.25234%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Robert Mann wrote:

> I am not having much luck getting pictures from a database,  so is there a
> way to protect images that you copy when you build a standalone? i.e. put
> them in a password protected folder or is there a way embed them right into
> the card, not link them to the file path, put actually place the image into
> the card?

Before you build the standalone, you can import images into a stack as image
objects:
File menu > Import As Control > Image File...

You can import images into custom properties and them display them in image
objects:
[import]
 set the myCoolImage of this cd to url ("binfile:" & imagePath)
[display]
 put the myCoolImage of this cd into img 1

But obviously anything displayed on screen can be copied simply using a
screen capture.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From david at openpartnership.net  Wed May  9 12:04:36 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:04:36 +0200
Subject: Function Points
In-Reply-To: <4640B319.8060104@fourthworld.com>
References: <4640B319.8060104@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705090904j26a14a1coae1265bad6edc23e@mail.gmail.com>

I have not looked at Function Point Analysis before - but reading up on it
makes doesn't leave a good taste. Research shows that a huge percentage of
initial requirements (ie function points) never reach the final product -
from memory and the published research I read on this last year this was
well over 65% for projects of 5 months duration and over!

And perhaps more to the point:  Am I looking for a Holy Grail in trying
> to find an objective measurement for projects which don't have any code
> yet?


Sounds interesting Richard - would love to know more...  I have been looking
hard for this Holy Grail perhaps from a different perspective of games and
collaborative publishing.

For project management applications I'd think of going more in the direction
of as Chipp says "agile development" with an emphasis on light weight
documentation - and go for Unit Tests perhaps as any measure of project
complexity? I have used Unit Tests myself in Rev - but I don't think the
benefits that they have for other language type projects correspond....

I think what I am trying to say is that the long term forward planing is all
but impossible and the real advantage of any form of project planning
documentation is with regard to a customer feedback cycle designed to keep
things on track? The biggest problem is trying to convince the customer that
forward planning does not work so well, and to pay for a development process
that they steer, rather than a hypothetical but detailed "plan" - Rev and
other Agile Tools have the advantage here in that results can be made
visible right from the word go.

The only form of quantifying I have found useful are Sprint Back Catalogues
- which basically keep a daily cumulative graph of time to completion to the
end of the next sprint cycle.

As a counter to all this Agile development nonsense I came across this ditty
a while back :)

Imagine (with apologies to John Lennon)

Imagine there's no requirements. It's easy if you try
Just a bunch of coders, reachin' for the sky
Imagine all the people, coding for today
Imagine there's no schedules. It isn't hard to do
No silly project deadlines, no one supervising you
Imagine all the people, coding hand in hand

You may say I'm an extremer but I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us and make coding lots more fun.

Imagine oral documentation. I wonder if you can
No need for UML diagrams. Just words passed, man to man
Imagine just refactoring, playing in the sand

You may say I'm an extremer, but I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us and make coding lots more fun.

Taken from Stephens, D. Rosenberg. Extreme Programming Refactored

But apart from saying I don't think it is possible - am I missing the point?


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed May  9 12:05:34 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 11:05:34 -0500
Subject: why does my popup menu works only in a function call?
In-Reply-To: <004001c7924f$362a9320$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <004001c7924f$362a9320$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <20070509110534538453.f099dc4e@sonsothunder.com>

> I would like to understand, what the difference is and what my fault is why
> the second approach doesn't work.

Well, I don't know why the app freezes, but if you are calling a 
handler from within another handler, you don't need to use "send" if 
it's in the message passing hierarchy (since "send" is intended for 
sending a message *to* a specific object, and you didn't provide one). 

So for example, if your "mausMenue" handler was in the same object as 
the mouseDown, or in the card script of the card that had the 
"mouseDown" trap, or was in its stack script or in any libary you had 
put into use, you could simply use this mouseDown handler:

on mouseDown
  mausMenue
  -- (other code here, if any)
end mouseDown

and have the called handler be:

on mausMenue
  popup stack "mausMenue"
end mausMenue

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May  9 12:22:27 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 09:22:27 -0700
Subject: Function Points
Message-ID: <4641F543.2000606@fourthworld.com>

Thanks for the input, Chipp and David.

I think David summed it up well here:
> I have not looked at Function Point Analysis before - but reading up on it
> makes doesn't leave a good taste.

For me this is more of a thought experiment than an immediate need, as I 
have a small number of multi-year projects to keep me busy enough to not 
need to worry about estimating new projects for a while.

But since most of my works spans multiple versions of products, I've 
been fleshing out some internal tools for code base analysis, with two 
goals in mind:  first, that they be usable enough to share with clients, 
and then if time permits that they become usable enough to share with 
the rest of the Rev community.

While I was working on tools for the development phase, my reading led 
me down the road of pre-development.   But my reading concurs with 
what's been discussed here:  there's just too much variance at the 
outset of a project to reliably quantify it through any semi-automated 
method.

I stumbled across this estimating tool at Construx.com, Steve 
McConnell's company:
<http://construx.com/Page.aspx?nid=68>

Haven't spent much time with it, but it looks like an interesting 
starting point for working in lower-level languages.

For the moment, I have enough to keep me busy writing bug-tracking and 
code base analysis tools that if there's no slam-dunk for automating 
parts of the estimating process I'll gladly leave well enough alone. :)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed May  9 12:25:49 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:25:49 +0200
Subject: AW: why does my popup menu works only in a function call?
In-Reply-To: <20070509110534538453.f099dc4e@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <004601c79256$b595bac0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks Ken, I'll give it a try.


> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Ray
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 9. Mai 2007 18:06
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: why does my popup menu works only in a function call?
> 
> > I would like to understand, what the difference is and what my fault is
> why
> > the second approach doesn't work.
> 
> Well, I don't know why the app freezes, but if you are calling a
> handler from within another handler, you don't need to use "send" if
> it's in the message passing hierarchy (since "send" is intended for
> sending a message *to* a specific object, and you didn't provide one).
> 
> So for example, if your "mausMenue" handler was in the same object as
> the mouseDown, or in the card script of the card that had the
> "mouseDown" trap, or was in its stack script or in any libary you had
> put into use, you could simply use this mouseDown handler:
> 
> on mouseDown
>   mausMenue
>   -- (other code here, if any)
> end mouseDown
> 
> and have the called handler be:
> 
> on mausMenue
>   popup stack "mausMenue"
> end mausMenue
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From david at openpartnership.net  Wed May  9 12:26:25 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:26:25 +0200
Subject: Function Points
In-Reply-To: <4641F543.2000606@fourthworld.com>
References: <4641F543.2000606@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705090926y64ad7975q68f3e0c82b48a11d@mail.gmail.com>

Whats a slam-dunk?


From david at openpartnership.net  Wed May  9 12:33:22 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:33:22 +0200
Subject: Function Points
In-Reply-To: <4641F543.2000606@fourthworld.com>
References: <4641F543.2000606@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705090933p539246ar4afc6fe859dc27aa@mail.gmail.com>

More seriously....

On 09/05/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
> But since most of my works spans multiple versions of products, I've
> been fleshing out some internal tools for code base analysis,


What sort of tools are you thinking of here Richard? I am asking because I
still have the code graphing tools hanging around waiting for a renewed
lease of "I'm needed" energy... they graph handler relationships, optionally
including which controls they are in... from memory you were looking at
profiling?


From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed May  9 13:10:03 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:10:03 +0100
Subject: PowerPC and x86 External Commands???
In-Reply-To: <C2673E7F.25234%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C2673E7F.25234%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <BE9DD69A-B3F5-41B5-8F4C-2F7C95EA6D2A@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I've just gotten round to build my External Command Modules for both  
PowerPC and Intel and I'm having problems getting the library to  
load. Does loading a "Universal" bundle work ok?

I had to change the projects built by the "External Creator V1.rev"  
tools supplied by RunRev to make it build correctly, but now I can't  
seem to get the External to load ok. I have built a PowerPC, Intel  
and Universal Version, but none of them seem to load correctly.

And Ideas greatly appreciated.
All the Best
Dave



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May  9 14:17:47 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 11:17:47 -0700
Subject: Function Points
Message-ID: <4642104B.7070205@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:
> Whats a slam-dunk?

It's an American colloquialism derived from basketball, referring to
scoring a solid point in one decisive move (slamming the ball through
the hoop).

> What sort of tools are you thinking of here Richard? I am asking because I
> still have the code graphing tools hanging around waiting for a renewed
> lease of "I'm needed" energy... they graph handler relationships, optionally
> including which controls they are in... from memory you were looking at
> profiling?

It started out with an interest in cyclomatic complexity, tailoring
McCabe's algorithm to be more appropriate for Rev (for example, I weight
"send...in time" since it's one of the few ways you can introduce race
conditions into Rev code, and race conditions eat disproportionate time
when diagnosing bugs).

Then I added a few other metrics, including fan-in and fan-out, which 
led to the "Fandango" design pattern Ken and I talked about in our 
session last year at RevCon West.

Fan-in/Fan-out sound like overlaps of your dependency diagrams.  I've 
avoided the challenge of diagramming dependencies myself, as the ROI 
didn't match up for my needs.

But if you have dependency diagramming already in place, there may 
indeed be some way the two tools could be integrated.

The weak link to such an integration may be on my end:  while useful, 
they're of a lower priority than client work, so they get attention only 
in between phases with more important projects.  As a result, it's hard 
to say when it'll be in any form that others could use.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From david at openpartnership.net  Wed May  9 14:52:52 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 20:52:52 +0200
Subject: Function Points
In-Reply-To: <4642104B.7070205@fourthworld.com>
References: <4642104B.7070205@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705091152s6afa0f16yd68969c9d217c09@mail.gmail.com>

On 09/05/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> It started out with an interest in cyclomatic complexity, tailoring
> McCabe's algorithm to be more appropriate for Rev (for example, I weight
> "send...in time" since it's one of the few ways you can introduce race
> conditions into Rev code, and race conditions eat disproportionate time
> when diagnosing bugs).


Looks fun - but I don't get the point yet.... why would you want to quantify
the code complexity - seems overkill for working out how much to pay
freelancers :)

Then I added a few other metrics, including fan-in and fan-out, which
> led to the "Fandango" design pattern Ken and I talked about in our
> session last year at RevCon West.
>
> Fan-in/Fan-out sound like overlaps of your dependency diagrams.  I've
> avoided the challenge of diagramming dependencies myself, as the ROI
> didn't match up for my needs.
>
> But if you have dependency diagramming already in place, there may
> indeed be some way the two tools could be integrated.


Pretty sure that:* M* = *E* ? *N* + *2 *where *M* = cyclomatic
complexity*E*= the number of edges of the graph
*N* = the number of nodes of the graph*P* = the number of connected
components.is pretty much there in the code though it would need to be
amended to include intra-hadler node connections, as to date i have only
been interested in graphing handler relationships not overall complexity.

The weak link to such an integration may be on my end:  while useful,
> they're of a lower priority than client work, so they get attention only
> in between phases with more important projects.  As a result, it's hard
> to say when it'll be in any form that others could use.


Ditto - still good to know what you are up to and where to ask questions.


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed May  9 15:01:19 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:01:19 -0500
Subject: ::OT : equivalent of BBEdit on Windows ?
In-Reply-To: <OFC7BEF763.13FFA524-ONC12572D6.003394CC-C12572D6.00339C6B@deutsche-boerse.com>
References: <46419755.D931EBB6@club-internet.fr>
	<OFC7BEF763.13FFA524-ONC12572D6.003394CC-C12572D6.00339C6B@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705091201m32678efch54d66bf2e71c9177@mail.gmail.com>

PsPad works too.


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Wed May  9 15:08:54 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:08:54 +0200
Subject: fields disappearing when grabing them
Message-ID: <1DB3284F-9524-464B-9BFE-365C0502124D@inria.fr>

Hi,
In a stack, I have groups of fields so that when one is visible the  
others are invisible.
Each field has its "lockText" and "list behavior" properties set to  
true.
The user can edit the visible field by means of buttons (adding or  
deleting a line).
So, the number of lines (the lenght of lines too), can increase or  
decrease ;
When the content is changing, the size of the field is automatically  
adapted (using formattedHeight and formattedWidth).

Consequently, I would like that the user could change at will the  
position of the field in the card.

So I am trying  to use "if command key is down then grab me" in the  
script of each field.

BUT, MY PROBLEM is that, when grabing it, parts of the field   
disappear (and possibly the entire field) as if it was sliding under  
other (invisible) objects !! that, in fact, do not exist there  
(except the invisible other fields of the group)

For a while, I supposed that this was due to the other fields of the  
group (?), so I set all of them to "transparent" (opaque property to  
false). But that does not work.

What am I doing wrong ? could it be a problem of "group boundary" ??
Is there a solution ?

I hope my explanations are not too unclear !

Thanks a lot in advance for any solution or idea to solve this problem

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?





From klaus at major-k.de  Wed May  9 15:23:14 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:23:14 +0200
Subject: fields disappearing when grabing them
In-Reply-To: <1DB3284F-9524-464B-9BFE-365C0502124D@inria.fr>
References: <1DB3284F-9524-464B-9BFE-365C0502124D@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <33B59F38-FFEB-4B56-8F1F-E74B5EDFC55A@major-k.de>

Bon soir Andr?,

> Hi,
> In a stack, I have groups of fields so that when one is visible the  
> others are invisible.
> Each field has its "lockText" and "list behavior" properties set to  
> true.
> The user can edit the visible field by means of buttons (adding or  
> deleting a line).
> So, the number of lines (the lenght of lines too), can increase or  
> decrease ;
> When the content is changing, the size of the field is  
> automatically adapted (using formattedHeight and formattedWidth).
>
> Consequently, I would like that the user could change at will the  
> position of the field in the card.
>
> So I am trying  to use "if command key is down then grab me" in the  
> script of each field.
>
> BUT, MY PROBLEM is that, when grabing it, parts of the field   
> disappear (and possibly the entire field) as if it was sliding  
> under other (invisible) objects !! that, in fact, do not exist  
> there (except the invisible other fields of the group)
>
> For a while, I supposed that this was due to the other fields of  
> the group (?), so I set all of them to "transparent" (opaque  
> property to false). But that does not work.
>
> What am I doing wrong ? could it be a problem of "group boundary" ??
> Is there a solution ?
>
> I hope my explanations are not too unclear !
>
> Thanks a lot in advance for any solution or idea to solve this problem

Quick guess:
Are these fields part of a group, that group is "lockloc"ked and the  
group is smaller (height/width)
than the stack/card?

> Best regards from Grenoble
> Andr?

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed May  9 15:33:00 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 13:33:00 -0600
Subject: fields disappearing when grabing them
In-Reply-To: <33B59F38-FFEB-4B56-8F1F-E74B5EDFC55A@major-k.de>
References: <1DB3284F-9524-464B-9BFE-365C0502124D@inria.fr>
	<33B59F38-FFEB-4B56-8F1F-E74B5EDFC55A@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <83E5711C-46E6-483C-8CB1-0B0E1FF81561@byu.edu>


On May 9, 2007, at 1:23 PM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Bon soir Andr?,
>
>> Hi,
>> In a stack, I have groups of fields so that when one is visible  
>> the others are invisible.
>> Each field has its "lockText" and "list behavior" properties set  
>> to true.
>> The user can edit the visible field by means of buttons (adding or  
>> deleting a line).
>> So, the number of lines (the lenght of lines too), can increase or  
>> decrease ;
>> When the content is changing, the size of the field is  
>> automatically adapted (using formattedHeight and formattedWidth).
>>
>> Consequently, I would like that the user could change at will the  
>> position of the field in the card.
>>
>> So I am trying  to use "if command key is down then grab me" in  
>> the script of each field.
>>
>> BUT, MY PROBLEM is that, when grabing it, parts of the field   
>> disappear (and possibly the entire field) as if it was sliding  
>> under other (invisible) objects !! that, in fact, do not exist  
>> there (except the invisible other fields of the group)
>>
>> For a while, I supposed that this was due to the other fields of  
>> the group (?), so I set all of them to "transparent" (opaque  
>> property to false). But that does not work.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong ? could it be a problem of "group boundary" ??
>> Is there a solution ?
>>
>> I hope my explanations are not too unclear !
>>
>> Thanks a lot in advance for any solution or idea to solve this  
>> problem
>
> Quick guess:
> Are these fields part of a group, that group is "lockloc"ked and  
> the group is smaller (height/width)

I'd bet this is the problem, except the situation is worse than that.  
In my experience, when you're dragging objects in a group, the  
dragged object goes out of sight when you drag outside of the group's  
boundaries, *even if its lockLoc is false*. The only workaround I've  
found is to make the group the size of the card and set its lockLoc  
to true. I don't know if this behavior is a bug or a feature.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From cszasz at mac.com  Wed May  9 15:45:17 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:45:17 -0400
Subject: How do you trap for cursor moving from a field when user uses a
	mouse?
Message-ID: <9ED14FBF-EAC1-49C3-AF92-660C39E04A93@mac.com>

I am still having a great deal of problems on how to trap for a  
cursor that is moved out of a field by using the mouse instead of  
using a tab, enter or return key!!  Despite the suggestions I  
received when I posted this as "Is there a solution for this  
problem?", I cannot resolve this problem.

I tried the following suggested by Jacqueline:

if the selectedfield is not empty
then
send "closefield" to the selectedfield

but that does not work.


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Wed May  9 15:46:11 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:46:11 +0200
Subject: fields disappearing when grabing them
In-Reply-To: <33B59F38-FFEB-4B56-8F1F-E74B5EDFC55A@major-k.de>
References: <1DB3284F-9524-464B-9BFE-365C0502124D@inria.fr>
	<33B59F38-FFEB-4B56-8F1F-E74B5EDFC55A@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <E0506247-9DB0-4B48-A92E-A6BDD16466DE@inria.fr>


Le 9 mai 07 ? 21:23, Klaus Major a ?crit :

> Bon soir Andr?,
>
>> Hi,
>> In a stack, I have groups of fields so that when one is visible  
>> the others are invisible.
>> Each field has its "lockText" and "list behavior" properties set  
>> to true.
>> The user can edit the visible field by means of buttons (adding or  
>> deleting a line).
>> So, the number of lines (the lenght of lines too), can increase or  
>> decrease ;
>> When the content is changing, the size of the field is  
>> automatically adapted (using formattedHeight and formattedWidth).
>>
>> Consequently, I would like that the user could change at will the  
>> position of the field in the card.
>>
>> So I am trying  to use "if command key is down then grab me" in  
>> the script of each field.
>>
>> BUT, MY PROBLEM is that, when grabing it, parts of the field   
>> disappear (and possibly the entire field) as if it was sliding  
>> under other (invisible) objects !! that, in fact, do not exist  
>> there (except the invisible other fields of the group)
>>
>> For a while, I supposed that this was due to the other fields of  
>> the group (?), so I set all of them to "transparent" (opaque  
>> property to false). But that does not work.
>>
>> What am I doing wrong ? could it be a problem of "group boundary" ??
>> Is there a solution ?
>>
>> I hope my explanations are not too unclear !
>>
>> Thanks a lot in advance for any solution or idea to solve this  
>> problem
>
> Quick guess:


> Are these fields part of a group,
YES they are grouped

> that group is "lockloc"ked
NO the loc of the group is not locked
> and the group is smaller (height/width)
> than the stack/card?
YES the group is smaller that the stack/card

I thanks you for your attention and your quick answer
Andr?


>
>> Best regards from Grenoble
>> Andr?
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed May  9 15:57:26 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:57:26 +0200
Subject: fields disappearing when grabing them
In-Reply-To: <E0506247-9DB0-4B48-A92E-A6BDD16466DE@inria.fr>
References: <1DB3284F-9524-464B-9BFE-365C0502124D@inria.fr>
	<33B59F38-FFEB-4B56-8F1F-E74B5EDFC55A@major-k.de>
	<E0506247-9DB0-4B48-A92E-A6BDD16466DE@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <D672E327-6BCB-48A2-97E3-734FE711EC9A@major-k.de>

Hi Andr?,

> Le 9 mai 07 ? 21:23, Klaus Major a ?crit :
>
>> Bon soir Andr?,
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> In a stack, I have groups of fields so that when one is visible  
>>> the others are invisible.
>>> Each field has its "lockText" and "list behavior" properties set  
>>> to true.
>>> The user can edit the visible field by means of buttons (adding  
>>> or deleting a line).
>>> So, the number of lines (the lenght of lines too), can increase  
>>> or decrease ;
>>> When the content is changing, the size of the field is  
>>> automatically adapted (using formattedHeight and formattedWidth).
>>> Consequently, I would like that the user could change at will the  
>>> position of the field in the card.
>>> So I am trying  to use "if command key is down then grab me" in  
>>> the script of each field.
>>> BUT, MY PROBLEM is that, when grabing it, parts of the field   
>>> disappear (and possibly the entire field) as if it was sliding  
>>> under other (invisible) objects !! that, in fact, do not exist  
>>> there (except the invisible other fields of the group)
>>> For a while, I supposed that this was due to the other fields of  
>>> the group (?), so I set all of them to "transparent" (opaque  
>>> property to false). But that does not work.
>>> What am I doing wrong ? could it be a problem of "group boundary" ??
>>> Is there a solution ?
>>> I hope my explanations are not too unclear !
>>> Thanks a lot in advance for any solution or idea to solve this  
>>> problem
>>
>> Quick guess:
>> Are these fields part of a group,
> YES they are grouped
>> that group is "lockloc"ked
> NO the loc of the group is not locked
>> and the group is smaller (height/width)
>> than the stack/card?
> YES the group is smaller that the stack/card

Well, in that case Devin's hint may be your solution:
Make the group the same dimensions as the card (if applicable).
> I thanks you for your attention and your quick answer

A votre service monsieur :-)

> Andr?

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Wed May  9 16:09:48 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 22:09:48 +0200
Subject: fields disappearing when grabing them
In-Reply-To: <83E5711C-46E6-483C-8CB1-0B0E1FF81561@byu.edu>
References: <1DB3284F-9524-464B-9BFE-365C0502124D@inria.fr>
	<33B59F38-FFEB-4B56-8F1F-E74B5EDFC55A@major-k.de>
	<83E5711C-46E6-483C-8CB1-0B0E1FF81561@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <AFB5BAB3-28C6-4695-AF77-C01FD0A85E99@inria.fr>



>>
>> Quick guess:
>> Are these fields part of a group, that group is "lockloc"ked and  
>> the group is smaller (height/width)
>
> I'd bet this is the problem, except the situation is worse than  
> that. In my experience, when you're dragging objects in a group,  
> the dragged object goes out of sight when you drag outside of the  
> group's boundaries, *even if its lockLoc is false*. The only  
> workaround I've found is to make the group the size of the card and  
> set its lockLoc to true. I don't know if this behavior is a bug or  
> a feature.
>
> Devin
OK ! fine, that's working : I increased the size of the group as much  
as I needed (I dont need all the card size)
and set its lockLoc to true, (that''s what I did not think to do when  
I tried before to increase the size of the group : I thought that a  
group was taking the size of the bigger object in it, but it is not  
the case).



Thanks a lot Devin (and again to Klaus)

Andr?



>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>




From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Wed May  9 16:17:57 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 22:17:57 +0200
Subject: fields disappearing when grabing them
In-Reply-To: <D672E327-6BCB-48A2-97E3-734FE711EC9A@major-k.de>
References: <1DB3284F-9524-464B-9BFE-365C0502124D@inria.fr>
	<33B59F38-FFEB-4B56-8F1F-E74B5EDFC55A@major-k.de>
	<E0506247-9DB0-4B48-A92E-A6BDD16466DE@inria.fr>
	<D672E327-6BCB-48A2-97E3-734FE711EC9A@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <B2BA71C5-5B51-4954-99BC-3241126E8AF6@inria.fr>


Le 9 mai 07 ? 21:57, Klaus Major a ?crit :

> Hi Andr?,
>>>
>>> Quick guess:
>>> Are these fields part of a group,
>> YES they are grouped
>>> that group is "lockloc"ked
>> NO the loc of the group is not locked
>>> and the group is smaller (height/width)
>>> than the stack/card?
>> YES the group is smaller that the stack/card
>
> Well, in that case Devin's hint may be your solution:
> Make the group the same dimensions as the card (if applicable).
>> I thanks you for your attention and your quick answer
>
> A votre service monsieur :-)
>

That's the solution, indeed,

Viele Dank, Klaus :-)


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed May  9 16:35:15 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 14:35:15 -0600
Subject: How do you trap for cursor moving from a field when user uses a
	mouse?
In-Reply-To: <9ED14FBF-EAC1-49C3-AF92-660C39E04A93@mac.com>
References: <9ED14FBF-EAC1-49C3-AF92-660C39E04A93@mac.com>
Message-ID: <619EE927-882F-46AB-BF9C-20E30B927EAA@byu.edu>


On May 9, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:

> I am still having a great deal of problems on how to trap for a  
> cursor that is moved out of a field by using the mouse instead of  
> using a tab, enter or return key!!  Despite the suggestions I  
> received when I posted this as "Is there a solution for this  
> problem?", I cannot resolve this problem.
>
> I tried the following suggested by Jacqueline:
>
> if the selectedfield is not empty
> then
> send "closefield" to the selectedfield
>
> but that does not work.

Charles,

Check out the selectionChanged message. This message is triggered  
when the selected text in a field changes, including, if memory  
serves, when the selection point is first established inside a field.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed May  9 18:01:35 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 00:01:35 +0200
Subject: Is there a Solution for this problem?
In-Reply-To: <C9784238-607A-44B3-9117-FF0B019CFA4A@mac.com>
References: <C9784238-607A-44B3-9117-FF0B019CFA4A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FD799DD0-0554-4AA6-A1B1-8E84281CB344@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Charles,

Write an additional command that checks the contents of all fields.  
For example:

funtion checkFields
   repeat with x = 1 to number of fields of grp 1
     if fld x of grp 1 is not a number or fld x of grp 1 < 0 or fld x  
of grp 1 > 10 then
       return false
     end if
   end repeat
   return true
end checkFields

Now, when the user uses tab or return to navigate to another field,  
make the closeField handler call the function.

on closeField
   if not checkFields() then
     set the text of the target to empty
     select text of the target
   else
     pass closeField
end if

and in the calculate button, use something like this:

on mouseUp
   if checkFields() then
     -- calculate and go next cd
   else
     select text of fld 1 of grp 1
   end if
end mouseUp

Naturally, you could add a few answer dialogs with warnings and a few  
system beeps, but I wanted to keep these examples simple.

I hope this helps.

Best,

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 6-mei-2007, om 15:06 heeft Charles Szasz het volgende geschreven:

> I have entry fields that the user fills in with numbers by using  
> the tab, return or enter keys. Each field is checked for a range of  
> scores by catching the exit or close field. If the user enters a  
> number that is above the range for the entry field, a dialog box  
> appears warning them of the mistake and puts the focus back on the  
> field.  Here is my question: I found that if the user uses the tab,  
> return or enter keys to enter the data with fields and then goes  
> back using the cursor and changes a data entry that is above above  
> the range and instead of using the above keys then uses the mouse  
> to click a Calculate button which computes the scores and goes to  
> the next card, the error box does not appear but I get an execution  
> error  in the standalone. How do you trap for this when the user  
> does not use the tab, enter or return keys but uses the mouse to  
> move the cursor to click on the calculate button?
>
>
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com
>
>




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed May  9 18:47:01 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 15:47:01 -0700
Subject: Dynamic Language Runtime
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705090821q42ce3fd8ica5cb359e48ce73a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705080417q19d272b2v5c01969e2286046c@mail.gmail.com>
	<92265116447.20070508193702@ahsoftware.net>
	<c1c5836b0705090821q42ce3fd8ica5cb359e48ce73a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49337715148.20070509154701@ahsoftware.net>

David-

Wednesday, May 9, 2007, 8:21:09 AM, you wrote:

> A question about "writing a transcript compiler for DLR"? What does this
> involve - starting from scratch in C# or if you were RunRev and already
> presumably had some code basis for a compiler would you be able to use that
> directly - I guess not. Secondly if it means starting from scratch would
> that mean anyone could legally undertake such a thing - that is to write a
> minimal Transcript compiler for the DLR. Its not something I am picturing
> doing - but I am curious :)

Well, on one level I think that anyone could start this from scratch.
There aren't any legal restrictions that I'm aware of to anyone
creating a new xtalk compiler or interpreter or whatever.

And if you have something that compiles xtalk down to an intermediate
byte-level interpreter the way I'm given to understand the runrev
engine now works, then the first task would be to create a code
generation engine whose end result would be binary-compatible with the
jvm. This is the equivalent of creating a new platform for runrev to
run on in addition to the currently-supported platforms, rather like
taking on the project of having runrev deploy on a Treo or a Newton or
a <your platform of choice here>.

The next task would be to craft a jit compiler to handle the dynamic
binding aspect of the dlr. This is by far the harder of the two tasks
(not that I want to minimize the difficulty of the first task). It's
nothing I'd take on lightly - there are brighter minds than mine hard
at work on these things. Jruby is the most promising right now, and
the entire Rails framework seems to be working fine, thanks to a *lot*
of hard work and the cooperation of the ruby community.

<Starting to veer off-topic for this list, so I don't want to get in
too deep. But if you're seriously interested in working on the dlr,
John Rose is the person to be in touch with. And he's actively casting
his net for more collaborators.>

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Wed May  9 20:28:14 2007
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 18:28:14 -0600
Subject: Making OS-Specific Standalones
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0705091728j7e31c989qc10ea8c724d2653a@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,
  Is there any way to have the Windows standalone saved differently from the
OS X standalone?  I would like the Windows standalone to have custom
properties containing the externals to be unpacked, but because OS X uses
bundles this is not an issue and I don't want these custom properties to be
saved as part of the OS X standalone (no need to use extra memory).  I know
I could just build for Windows, clear the externals, and build it again for
OS X, but is there an easier way so I don't get mixed up?

  Thank You,
    Bridger Maxwell
    www.FieryFerret.com


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed May  9 22:10:13 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 23:10:13 -0300
Subject: Improved Linux Chooser Widgets #3.01 - Last Stage Beta
Message-ID: <46427F05.4050007@howsoft.com>

Colleagues:

I have improved my chooser widgets for Linux.
Full details can be viewed at:
http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/stacks.htm

Briefly:

This version of the widgets (#3.01) should run on most Linux distros. 
However, regarding a few small details, special preference has been 
given to Ubuntu.

The choosers can be used for file selection ("Open", or "Save As" 
functions with or without a suggested file name), or for choosing 
FOLDERS only.

Since they were developed in Rev/Linux 2.6.1, there are 2 issues 
remaining regarding their general use and distribution. As soon as the 
new Rev/Linux is ready, I will re-compile them, and hopefully no further 
issues (even small ones) will remain.

I have plenty of ideas about how to improve these widgets even further 
in the future. What I am currently concerned with is to make absolutely 
sure they are 100% bug-free as they stand. PLEASE DO TRY THEM OUT and 
let me know if you find anything wrong with them at all, regardless of 
how small.

Thanks.

Regards,
Bob



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed May  9 22:34:17 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 19:34:17 -0700
Subject: contextual menu cursor image
In-Reply-To: <46427F05.4050007@howsoft.com>
References: <46427F05.4050007@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <p06240803c26834595b76@[192.168.1.103]>

Anyone out there have a little .png file with the 16x16 'contextual 
menu' image?

THis is the one with a little menu (looks like a ladder) to the right 
of a standard arrow and it is not a standard Rev cursor (but a 
standard carbon cursor in osx.)

thanks!

sqb
-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From bvg at mac.com  Wed May  9 22:55:27 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 04:55:27 +0200
Subject: Browser functionality and data in a stack
In-Reply-To: <9ACC9FCE-C39B-414E-9802-7D2355E18EBE@de-mare.nl>
References: <9ACC9FCE-C39B-414E-9802-7D2355E18EBE@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <de1d747c643634f7cc28ad7ab9e846ee@mac.com>

Try this command to set the browsers source to any data you want:

revBrowserSet["htmltext"] to the text of field 1

I don't think you can get the content of a htmlform from the browser 
object directly. Also that seems rather backwards to me, htmlform 
fields have even less build in styling possibilities then rev fields. 
You might try to select the entered text manually (might also be 
possible with javascript), and look if you get anything afterwards by 
using this:

put revBrowserGet(BrowserID, "selected") into field 1

Have fun
Bjoernke

On 09 May 2007, at 15:47, Terry Vogelaar wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am happy with the new browser features the newest beta/release 
> candidate has. It can display HTML files, both online and offline.
>
> But how about data in a stack? Suppose I have a field or a variable 
> containing XHTML with CSS. I cannot set the htmlText of a field to 
> that without losing layout elements.
>
> I could setup the stack as CGI and navigate the browser to 
> http://127.0.0.1/form.cgi, but that is a lot of overhead.
>
> A better workaround is to write the content to a text file and then 
> navigate the browser element to 
> file:///Users/my/Desktop/whatever.html. But it is still a workaround.
>
> So I wonder: is there also a DIRECT way to do that?
>
> Also, I understand that it is 'impossible' (yet) to edit text in the 
> browser :-) But what about form entries? Can the stack receive 
> feedback from the browser in any way?
>
> Terry


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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May  9 23:04:41 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 09 May 2007 20:04:41 -0700
Subject: contextual menu cursor image
Message-ID: <46428BC9.3090505@fourthworld.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> Anyone out there have a little .png file with the 16x16 'contextual 
> menu' image?
> 
> THis is the one with a little menu (looks like a ladder) to the right 
> of a standard arrow and it is not a standard Rev cursor (but a 
> standard carbon cursor in osx.)

Weird:  Apple doesn't use it themselves (at least not in their most 
widely used app, the Finder, or in Preview, Stickies, or iMovie), but 
they do spec it here:

<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGCursors/chapter_15_section_2.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40002724-TPXREF101>


If we had a message notifying us when the Control key is down without 
another key or a mouseDown I'd probably start using it.  I guess in the 
meantime we'd have to poll for that, no?

Maybe Apple's onto something in blowing that off that part of their own 
spec. ;)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu May 10 00:52:06 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 21:52:06 -0700
Subject: contextual menu cursor image
In-Reply-To: <46428BC9.3090505@fourthworld.com>
References: <46428BC9.3090505@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06240804c2685298320c@[192.168.1.103]>

Richard,
actually it can be done without polling, this is how I'm controlling 
the cursor, with a script in a locked field. works for my particular 
case....ymmv...
And I was wrong... there's the image I want as a standard cursor in 
Rev  id 82... there all the time. 'forest for the trees...'.

local tempCurse

ON mouseWithin
          cursorHandler
END mouseWithin

ON cursorHandler     
          SWITCH
                   CASE the optionkey is "down"
                            put the defaultcursor into tempCurse
                            set the cursor to 112913 --(renumbered from 82)
                            set the lockcursor to true
                            break
                   CASE the controlkey is "down"
                            put the defaultcursor into tempCurse
                            set the cursor to 112912
                            set the lockcursor to true
                            break
                   DEFAULT
                            set the cursor to tempCurse
                            set the lockcursor to false
          END SWITCH
END cursorHandler

ON mouseLeave
          if tempCurse is not empty
then
  set the cursor to tempCurse
          set the lockcursor to false
end if
END mouseLeave



re: I was just at that Apple page just an  hour ago.




>Stephen Barncard wrote:
>>Anyone out there have a little .png file with the 16x16 'contextual 
>>menu' image?
>>
>>THis is the one with a little menu (looks like a ladder) to the 
>>right of a standard arrow and it is not a standard Rev cursor (but 
>>a standard carbon cursor in osx.)
>
>Weird:  Apple doesn't use it themselves (at least not in their most 
>widely used app, the Finder, or in Preview, Stickies, or iMovie), 
>but they do spec it here:
>
><http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGCursors/chapter_15_section_2.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40002724-TPXREF101>
>
>
>If we had a message notifying us when the Control key is down 
>without another key or a mouseDown I'd probably start using it.  I 
>guess in the meantime we'd have to poll for that, no?
>
>Maybe Apple's onto something in blowing that off that part of their 
>own spec. ;)
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -




From chipp at chipp.com  Thu May 10 01:55:59 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 00:55:59 -0500
Subject: Stack that pulls down embedded font off the web
In-Reply-To: <bd1.12831880.33722e2c@aol.com>
References: <bd1.12831880.33722e2c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705092255y2ad61801v8ac95de0653e9eb5@mail.gmail.com>

The old altFont demo stack did just that...installed and removed fonts on
the fly. You can certainly 'suck up' a font into a customProp, then 'spit
out' the font to a file, then load it. Should be the same with revFont.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu May 10 02:32:35 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:32:35 +0200
Subject: strange blending ink problem
In-Reply-To: <7D4D34BF-B433-4961-85B3-D3C84D979D13@mac.com>
References: <7D4D34BF-B433-4961-85B3-D3C84D979D13@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C934DC4E-6985-47AF-A65A-5D1255124676@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Mark,

What does "somehow altered" mean? Does the value of the ink property  
change, or is only the visual appearance different? I seem to be  
experiencing a problem that makes the same inks behave differently on  
Mac OS X and Windows.

Best,

Mark

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Op 9-mei-2007, om 9:25 heeft www.MeltingPotBar.com het volgende  
geschreven:

> With latest Rev Media on a Mac (various Macs) I've gotten a strange  
> effect where the blending/ink of images gets somehow altered (and  
> thus the images seem to disappear).  This happens on old stacks  
> that have been stable for years.  Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> mark mitchell
> Japan





From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Thu May 10 02:52:51 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:52:51 +0200
Subject: Making OS-Specific Standalones
In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0705091728j7e31c989qc10ea8c724d2653a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86ae76bb0705091728j7e31c989qc10ea8c724d2653a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C50BFD09-22E0-4424-B533-F7D79174BF1D@inria.fr>

Hi,
You might look at the "May 2007 Archives by subject" :
the subject :  "How to tell Type of CPU?????"

Hope that help

Best regard from Grenoble
Andr?



Le 10 mai 07 ? 02:28, Bridger Maxwell a ?crit :

> Hey,
>  Is there any way to have the Windows standalone saved differently  
> from the
> OS X standalone?  I would like the Windows standalone to have custom
> properties containing the externals to be unpacked, but because OS  
> X uses
> bundles this is not an issue and I don't want these custom  
> properties to be
> saved as part of the OS X standalone (no need to use extra  
> memory).  I know
> I could just build for Windows, clear the externals, and build it  
> again for
> OS X, but is there an easier way so I don't get mixed up?
>
>  Thank You,
>    Bridger Maxwell
>    www.FieryFerret.com
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu May 10 02:58:55 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:58:55 +0200
Subject: Browser functionality and data in a stack
In-Reply-To: <de1d747c643634f7cc28ad7ab9e846ee@mac.com>
References: <9ACC9FCE-C39B-414E-9802-7D2355E18EBE@de-mare.nl>
	<de1d747c643634f7cc28ad7ab9e846ee@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FC8FDDA0-85C1-40FD-A76D-8F89037B4436@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Terry and Bj?rnke,

If you use a link instead of a button and the GET method instead of  
POST, you might be able to handle the xBrowser_RequestDownload  
message and retrieve the url that contains all the information from  
the form, although I have tried this.

Best,

Mark

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Op 10-mei-2007, om 4:55 heeft Bj?rnke von Gierke het volgende  
geschreven:

> Try this command to set the browsers source to any data you want:
>
> revBrowserSet["htmltext"] to the text of field 1
>
> I don't think you can get the content of a htmlform from the  
> browser object directly. Also that seems rather backwards to me,  
> htmlform fields have even less build in styling possibilities then  
> rev fields. You might try to select the entered text manually  
> (might also be possible with javascript), and look if you get  
> anything afterwards by using this:
>
> put revBrowserGet(BrowserID, "selected") into field 1
>
> Have fun
> Bjoernke




From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu May 10 04:41:24 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:41:24 +0200
Subject: Which property is the backgroundColor of a tab button?
Message-ID: <003701c792de$ff121a80$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello,

I don't find the property to set the backgroundColor of a tab menu button
and its whole shape. If I change the backgroundColor of btn Tab Menu,
nothing changes, same with all other color properties.

The funny thing is, that the rectangle which sits below the TAB has a very
soft "white" color from the scratch, which gets darker to the bottom of the
rectangle. All patterns are also empty.

 

Thanks for any hint

Tiemo

 

 

 



From nickp at didata.bw  Thu May 10 04:52:17 2007
From: nickp at didata.bw (Nic Prioleau)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 10:52:17 +0200
Subject: Disappearing Mouse
Message-ID: <000801c792e0$8388d1e0$480aa8c0@didata.bw>

Fellow Revers...

I am activating a combo-box by using: "click at 192,228" which DOES activate the combo-box but my mouse pointer disappears. Am I doing something wrong or could this be a bug. Hitting the escape key closes the combo-box and my mouse re-appears.

Regards
Nic
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From Gil at Gil.Dawson.name  Sun May  6 11:00:17 2007
From: Gil at Gil.Dawson.name (Gil Dawson)
Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 08:00:17 -0700
Subject: Apache Server with RunRev stacks doing the processing?
Message-ID: <p06230902c2639d16e9f4@[66.134.166.117]>

Kee--

Are you still using acgidispatcher?  Are you using it on 10.4.9?

I just downloaded it and I'm having trouble getting it to work. 
Sentman's support page is broken and he's not answering my email, so 
I'm looking for confirmation that the problem isn't a "broken in 
Tiger" thing.

--Gil


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Thu May 10 08:34:41 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:34:41 -0500
Subject: Trying again
Message-ID: <46431161.4010400@crcom.net>

For some reason, my requests for help are not only going unanswered but 
also never making it to the archive.  What's up with the mailing list?

I've got a database connection problem (still) that I'm trying to 
resolve but if no one can see the messages I'm sending, nothing is going 
to happen.

Am I doing something wrong?  How long should it be before a message to 
this list shows up in the archive?

len morgan


From scott at cdroo.com  Thu May 10 08:44:49 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:44:49 +1000
Subject: Trying again
References: <46431161.4010400@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <011101c79301$01b52e90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> Am I doing something wrong?  How long should it be before a message to 
> this list shows up in the archive?

Message recieved via the list right this moment - AU EST 10:44 PM.

Scott Kane
"In painting a tiger you can paint the skin, but not the bones."  Confucius


From david at openpartnership.net  Thu May 10 09:43:07 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:43:07 +0200
Subject: Dynamic Language Runtime
In-Reply-To: <49337715148.20070509154701@ahsoftware.net>
References: <c1c5836b0705080417q19d272b2v5c01969e2286046c@mail.gmail.com>
	<92265116447.20070508193702@ahsoftware.net>
	<c1c5836b0705090821q42ce3fd8ica5cb359e48ce73a@mail.gmail.com>
	<49337715148.20070509154701@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705100643t47421ee7l4323b4bba4d64b61@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the lowdown Mark! It's a pity OSA didn't take off - I remember
having some success with coding JavaScript, AppleScript, and event tried but
failed some python I think all within Rev IDE (back when we had MetaCard),
its just that the incentives were not there for the language communities to
make them OSA compatible. It seems from what you are saying that this may
not be a problem with the DLR / .NET approach?

NB - the DLR stand for Docklands Light Railway where I come from :)


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Thu May 10 10:29:53 2007
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:29:53 -0600
Subject: Making OS-Specific Standalones
In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0705091728j7e31c989qc10ea8c724d2653a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86ae76bb0705091728j7e31c989qc10ea8c724d2653a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D73F9A6-B9B5-42BC-A8FB-7071EA69C461@gmail.com>

Hi Bridger,

Check out the savingStandalone message. Very useful for setting  
custom props at the time of building a standalone.

Chris


On May 9, 2007, at 6:28 PM, Bridger Maxwell wrote:

> Hey,
>  Is there any way to have the Windows standalone saved differently  
> from the
> OS X standalone?  I would like the Windows standalone to have custom
> properties containing the externals to be unpacked, but because OS  
> X uses
> bundles this is not an issue and I don't want these custom  
> properties to be
> saved as part of the OS X standalone (no need to use extra  
> memory).  I know
> I could just build for Windows, clear the externals, and build it  
> again for
> OS X, but is there an easier way so I don't get mixed up?
>
>  Thank You,
>    Bridger Maxwell
>    www.FieryFerret.com
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu May 10 10:47:48 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 07:47:48 -0700
Subject: contextual menu cursor image
Message-ID: <46433094.4010407@fourthworld.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:

 >>If we had a message notifying us when the Control key is down
 >>without another key or a mouseDown I'd probably start using it.  I
 >>guess in the meantime we'd have to poll for that, no?
 >>
 >>Maybe Apple's onto something in blowing that off that part of their
 >>own spec. ;)
 >
 > actually it can be done without polling, this is how I'm controlling
 > the cursor, with a script in a locked field. works for my particular
 > case....ymmv...
...
 >
 > ON mouseWithin
 >           cursorHandler
 > END mouseWithin
...

While you're not doing the polling yourself, I believe all messages tied 
to the idleRate (mouseWithin, mouseStillDown, idle, maybe one or two 
others) are accomplished by the engine doing the polling.

The polling messages related to mouse actions (mouseWithin, 
mouseStillDown) can be especially problematic as they can't be used in 
libraries, or even card or stack scripts:  to minimize the impact of the 
engine's polling on the rest of the system, as noted in the docs those 
messages are only sent  to a control if the control has its own handler 
for them.


I just double-checked this, with a stack that has two buttons.  One 
button has this script:

on mouseWithin
   put the ticks && the target
   pass mouseWithin
end mouseWithin

The handler is also in the card script, and the second button has no 
script at all.

When mousing over the two buttons, I get the expected string in the 
Message Box only when the mouse is over the button that has its own 
mouseWithin handler, but not in the button whose script is empty.

With other non-polling messages, of course the message would pass 
through to the card and be handled there.


That said, the engine does its polling pretty efficiently, so in spite 
of whatever caveats folks might have for the mouseStillDown and 
mouseWithin messages, there's probably no noticeable penalty for using them.

But if you want to generalize the mouseWithin handling in a stack, 
library, or backScript, you'd have to replicate the mouseWithin handler 
in each control where you want that behavior triggered.


For the long term it might be helpful to add a BZ request for a message 
to be sent when the Control key is down, regardless of whether it has 
another key pressed with it.  There are tradeoffs for that, though, and 
maybe a new message is what's needed.

I have a similar request for mouseStillDown:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=1832>

For checking whether the Control key is down, my hunch is that the OS X 
API already has a message available that could be tapped into, so 
tapping into that within Rev should be relatively straightforward once 
we figure out what that message should be called.  ControlKeyDown would 
seem logical enough, but it would be problematic to send it without 
another key since so many scripts currently expect the message to be 
sent only when two or more keys are pressed.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu May 10 11:51:57 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 08:51:57 -0700
Subject: Reference an Internal Image?
Message-ID: <C2688DAD.2535A%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Am I mistaken or is there a way for an image object to reference a second
imported image?  I know one can set the icon of a button to the id of an
image, but I seem to recall being able to somehow do this with images as
well.  Using "put img 1 into img 2" and "set the text of img 2 to the text
of img 1" both appear to result in copies of img 1, not references.

Perhaps my memory is faulty...

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu May 10 12:01:02 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 09:01:02 -0700
Subject: Reference an Internal Image?
In-Reply-To: <C2688DAD.2535A%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C2688DAD.2535A%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c268f22d4964@[192.168.1.103]>

the filename??

>Am I mistaken or is there a way for an image object to reference a second
>imported image?  I know one can set the icon of a button to the id of an
>image, but I seem to recall being able to somehow do this with images as
>well.  Using "put img 1 into img 2" and "set the text of img 2 to the text
>of img 1" both appear to result in copies of img 1, not references.
>
>Perhaps my memory is faulty...
>
>Thanks & Regards,
>
>Scott Rossi
>Creative Director
>Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

-- 


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From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu May 10 12:03:24 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:03:24 +0200
Subject: closeStack doesn't close Stack:(
Message-ID: <004d01c7931c$be55a640$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello again, I thought that would have been a basic, but:

on menuPick

--

                send "closeStack" to this card

                exit to top

--          

nothing happens! (tried it also without "send", just closeStack)

My on closeStack handler gets the message and has a pass close Stack at the
end. Probably I am missing some rev basics :(

How do I close my app correctly?

Thank you for any help

Tiemo

 

 

 

 



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu May 10 12:12:13 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:12:13 +0200
Subject: closeStack doesn't close Stack:(
In-Reply-To: <004d01c7931c$be55a640$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <004d01c7931c$be55a640$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <AABD9292-3716-4F58-B3DB-6F67EA707F77@ezpzapps.com>


On May 10, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

>
>                send "closeStack" to this card

The Documentation Dictionary is your friend.
In the dictionary you will find the information displayed:
--------
Handle the closeStack message if you want to perform cleanup or do  
other tasks when the user closes a window.

A stack is closed when the user or a handler closes the stack window.

The actual closing is not triggered by the closeStack message
--------

In the section named "See Also:", you will generally find some pretty  
good clues on where else to
look, in this case you'll find "close command" among others.

Maybe "close" will help you.




Jim Sims
Custom Software Development
www.EZPZapps.com




From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu May 10 12:18:22 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:18:22 +0200
Subject: AW: closeStack doesn't close Stack:(
In-Reply-To: <AABD9292-3716-4F58-B3DB-6F67EA707F77@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <005201c7931e$d578e380$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Sorry Jim for asking such a basic, I must have read over it at least three
times. Good thanks, it's Friday again :)
Have a nice weekend
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Jim Sims
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2007 18:12
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: closeStack doesn't close Stack:(
> 
> 
> On May 10, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> >
> >                send "closeStack" to this card
> 
> The Documentation Dictionary is your friend.
> In the dictionary you will find the information displayed:
> --------
> Handle the closeStack message if you want to perform cleanup or do
> other tasks when the user closes a window.
> 
> A stack is closed when the user or a handler closes the stack window.
> 
> The actual closing is not triggered by the closeStack message
> --------
> 
> In the section named "See Also:", you will generally find some pretty
> good clues on where else to
> look, in this case you'll find "close command" among others.
> 
> Maybe "close" will help you.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Sims
> Custom Software Development
> www.EZPZapps.com
> 
> 
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From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Thu May 10 12:37:44 2007
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 12:37:44 -0400
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <200705091606.l49G6bQI017146@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <200705091606.l49G6bQI017146@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260705100937k6082f955yfb76ec05476a5711@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/9/07, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

>
> You can import images into custom properties and them display them in
> image
> objects:
> [import]
> set the myCoolImage of this cd to url ("binfile:" & imagePath)
> [display]
> put the myCoolImage of this cd into img 1


 I'd like to do the same thing with a music file; embed it into the stack
directly. I can set a custom property to an mp3 file, but I can't figure out
how to play or reference it then. The custom property contains the actual
mp3 data, but I can't set a player to it because it wants a file name, not
the data directly. Same issue for a movie.

Once I've set a custom property to contain the music or video data, how do I
reference it? Do I then need to spin it out as a temporary file and then
reference that? Then clean up the file when I'm done?

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu May 10 12:47:52 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:47:52 +0200
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260705100937k6082f955yfb76ec05476a5711@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200705091606.l49G6bQI017146@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260705100937k6082f955yfb76ec05476a5711@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01D8CD9E-5622-47D6-93BE-D1217B5EFE28@ezpzapps.com>


On May 10, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Howard Bornstein wrote:

> I'd like to do the same thing with a music file; embed it into the  
> stack
> directly. I can set a custom property to an mp3 file, but I can't  
> figure out
> how to play or reference it then. The custom property contains the  
> actual
> mp3 data, but I can't set a player to it because it wants a file  
> name, not
> the data directly. Same issue for a movie.
>
> Once I've set a custom property to contain the music or video data,  
> how do I
> reference it? Do I then need to spin it out as a temporary file and  
> then
> reference that? Then clean up the file when I'm done?

I do the same thing with video files in an application  
(www.einspine.com).
I keep them in custom properties and then turn them into temp files and
reference them by using tempName.  I also write over the video file  
after
I am done playing it with a word or two as they can be found in the  
trash,
when written over the user cannot grab them and play them.


Jim Sims
Custom Software Development
www.EZPZapps.com




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu May 10 12:52:49 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 18:52:49 +0200
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260705100937k6082f955yfb76ec05476a5711@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200705091606.l49G6bQI017146@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260705100937k6082f955yfb76ec05476a5711@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <268A6FAD-F5B1-4E2F-8571-4B315066C61B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Howard,

Le 10 mai 07 ? 18:37, Howard Bornstein a ?crit :

> I'd like to do the same thing with a music file; embed it into the  
> stack
> directly. I can set a custom property to an mp3 file, but I can't  
> figure out
> how to play or reference it then. The custom property contains the  
> actual
> mp3 data, but I can't set a player to it because it wants a file  
> name, not
> the data directly. Same issue for a movie.
>
> Once I've set a custom property to contain the music or video data,  
> how do I
> reference it? Do I then need to spin it out as a temporary file and  
> then
> reference that? Then clean up the file when I'm done?
>
> -- 
> Regards,
>
> Howard Bornstein

Sims has answered yet and this is the right answer :-)

Nevertheless, the "How to Monitor a QuickTime Player by Script"  
tutorial might help you since it demonstrates this method among others:
The stack shows you how to monitor a QT player to play music (mp3  
included) and provide all the usual commands, and more, to the user.
How to know if the right version of QT is installed, manage  
durations, progress, quick searches, sound level, loops, play-lists,  
etc.
The main commands are embedded in a scripted group, which you can  
export into any project. This scripted group is able to monitor, not  
only sound files, but also the video files as well.
Print function included.

You will access this tutorial through "Tutorials Picker" a free  
plugin that interfaces with the So Smart Software website in order to  
display all available tutorials stacks directly from the web.
You will find it by going to http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/.
Revolution/Plugins or Tutorials section.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
----------------------------------------------------------------




From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Thu May 10 13:10:55 2007
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 13:10:55 -0400
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <200705101656.l4AGuvPv028546@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <200705101656.l4AGuvPv028546@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260705101010o39e18215o5eed4149f42248d6@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jim and Eric,

I suspected that was the only way. It'd be nice to be able to reference
these sources directly in the stack but making a temp file isn't too bad.
Just some extra overhead. Oh well. :-)

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu May 10 13:27:44 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 19:27:44 +0200
Subject: AW: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <01D8CD9E-5622-47D6-93BE-D1217B5EFE28@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <005401c79328$864d3450$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Jim, that sounds great, but doesn't the performance suffer badly, when
including 180MB of videos into you stack, even if it is one or more
substacks, when opening and accessing the stack? What do you think where is
the limit with doing like that? I will create an app with about 6GB of video
material, splitted into 18.000 clips :) 
Tiemo


> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Jim Sims
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2007 18:48
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: protecting images in standalone?
> 
> 
> On May 10, 2007, at 6:37 PM, Howard Bornstein wrote:
> 
> > I'd like to do the same thing with a music file; embed it into the
> > stack
> > directly. I can set a custom property to an mp3 file, but I can't
> > figure out
> > how to play or reference it then. The custom property contains the
> > actual
> > mp3 data, but I can't set a player to it because it wants a file
> > name, not
> > the data directly. Same issue for a movie.
> >
> > Once I've set a custom property to contain the music or video data,
> > how do I
> > reference it? Do I then need to spin it out as a temporary file and
> > then
> > reference that? Then clean up the file when I'm done?
> 
> I do the same thing with video files in an application
> (www.einspine.com).
> I keep them in custom properties and then turn them into temp files and
> reference them by using tempName.  I also write over the video file
> after
> I am done playing it with a word or two as they can be found in the
> trash,
> when written over the user cannot grab them and play them.
> 
> 
> Jim Sims
> Custom Software Development
> www.EZPZapps.com
> 
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu May 10 14:04:42 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:04:42 -0700
Subject: AW: protecting images in standalone?
Message-ID: <46435EBA.40605@fourthworld.com>

Tiemo wrote:
> Jim, that sounds great, but doesn't the performance suffer badly, when
> including 180MB of videos into you stack, even if it is one or more
> substacks, when opening and accessing the stack? What do you think where is
> the limit with doing like that? I will create an app with about 6GB of video
> material, splitted into 18.000 clips :) 

I think you've brought up an important consideration, Tiemo.  When Rev 
loads a stack file, it reads the entire stack file into memory, and 
custom properties come along for the ride.

On modern systems, a couple megs of images probably won't matter, but 
embedding a 6GB video would almost certainly exceed available RAM, and 
on some systems may even exceed swap space.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Thu May 10 14:18:28 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:18:28 -0700
Subject: strange blending ink problem
In-Reply-To: <C934DC4E-6985-47AF-A65A-5D1255124676@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <7D4D34BF-B433-4961-85B3-D3C84D979D13@mac.com>
	<C934DC4E-6985-47AF-A65A-5D1255124676@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <FD3C3C5A-DDA1-450C-999B-8A07E5F589A9@canelasoftware.com>


On May 9, 2007, at 11:32 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> What does "somehow altered" mean? Does the value of the ink  
> property change, or is only the visual appearance different? I seem  
> to be experiencing a problem that makes the same inks behave  
> differently on Mac OS X and Windows.


Hi Mark,

Unfortunately, I don't know the specifics of the change.  I just know  
that I needed images with white space to be transparent over multi  
colored backgrounds.  I was using srcAnd for Win and srcOr for Macs  
to get most of what I wanted.  After the bug report I am now able to  
use srcAnd for both platforms and am getting the transparency effect  
I requested.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu May 10 14:21:01 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:21:01 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <46435EBA.40605@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <005801c7932f$f78b8390$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Yes I know, that's why I am asking. I would think that even a 180MB stack (
I assume this size, because his app setup is about 180MB) of Jim would be
very uncomfortable, but he seems to be happy with it?
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Richard Gaskin
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2007 20:05
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: protecting images in standalone?
> 
> Tiemo wrote:
> > Jim, that sounds great, but doesn't the performance suffer badly, when
> > including 180MB of videos into you stack, even if it is one or more
> > substacks, when opening and accessing the stack? What do you think where
> is
> > the limit with doing like that? I will create an app with about 6GB of
> video
> > material, splitted into 18.000 clips :)
> 
> I think you've brought up an important consideration, Tiemo.  When Rev
> loads a stack file, it reads the entire stack file into memory, and
> custom properties come along for the ride.
> 
> On modern systems, a couple megs of images probably won't matter, but
> embedding a 6GB video would almost certainly exceed available RAM, and
> on some systems may even exceed swap space.
> 
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Managing Editor, revJournal
>   _______________________________________________________
>   Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From kee at kagi.com  Thu May 10 14:22:56 2007
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:22:56 -0700
Subject: Apache Server with RunRev stacks doing the processing?
In-Reply-To: <p06230902c2639d16e9f4@[66.134.166.117]>
References: <p06230902c2639d16e9f4@[66.134.166.117]>
Message-ID: <638AEC96-27DB-42E0-BFB6-697DDDBA4D85@kagi.com>


On May 6, 2007, at 8:00 AM, Gil Dawson wrote:

> Kee--
>
> Are you still using acgidispatcher?

yes but I'm using an old version and I'm only using it on one  
Hypercard stack that responds to WebStar style AppleScript  
communications.
Are you using it on 10.4.9? yes.

>
> I just downloaded it and I'm having trouble getting it to work.  
> Sentman's support page is broken and he's not answering my email,  
> so I'm looking for confirmation that the problem isn't a "broken in  
> Tiger" thing.

I think it is a it is broken thing. We had to use an old version  
because the latest version didn't work for us.

My suggestion is to use Andre's RevHTTP stack and have that be the  
web server on a different port, bypass Apache. That works flawlessly  
and is a much longer term solution. We are moving away from  
acgidispatcher.

Kee




From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu May 10 14:24:40 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:24:40 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <005801c7932f$f78b8390$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <005801c7932f$f78b8390$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <E68249FC-86C1-4746-9E59-998D64596C0B@ezpzapps.com>


On May 10, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Yes I know, that's why I am asking. I would think that even a 180MB  
> stack (
> I assume this size, because his app setup is about 180MB) of Jim  
> would be
> very uncomfortable, but he seems to be happy with it?

The videos are in user properties in individual files that get read -  
played
and then dumped. None of the videos is over 35 seconds in length.


ciao,
sims





From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu May 10 14:29:46 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:29:46 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: AW: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <E68249FC-86C1-4746-9E59-998D64596C0B@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <005901c79331$303308c0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Clever, that makes sense!
Have a nice sunset in Malta!
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Jim Sims
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Mai 2007 20:25
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: AW: protecting images in standalone?
> 
> 
> On May 10, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > Yes I know, that's why I am asking. I would think that even a 180MB
> > stack (
> > I assume this size, because his app setup is about 180MB) of Jim
> > would be
> > very uncomfortable, but he seems to be happy with it?
> 
> The videos are in user properties in individual files that get read -
> played
> and then dumped. None of the videos is over 35 seconds in length.
> 
> 
> ciao,
> sims
> 
> 
> 
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu May 10 14:51:29 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 20:51:29 +0200
Subject: performance of RevXML
Message-ID: <63340FB8-DB49-405B-8103-BE03C48763FF@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

does anyone have some experience/hints with/for the performance of  
RevXML with big XML files?
I mean when (size in MB) can on reach the limit of the handling of  
xml files.

Are 20 MB (or even bigger) files a problem?
Should one try to split the data into smaller files?

In our latest project we want to avoid using a "real" database engine.
Any hints are very welcome!

Thanks in advance.


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu May 10 14:51:44 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 11:51:44 -0700
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260705100937k6082f955yfb76ec05476a5711@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C268B7D0.253AC%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Howard Bornstein wrote:

> Once I've set a custom property to contain the music or video data, how do I
> reference it? Do I then need to spin it out as a temporary file and then
> reference that? Then clean up the file when I'm done?

As far as I know, this is the usual method.

However, Trevor Devore once explained that it is possible import a video
file as a videoClip and play it directly on the card.  You can position the
the movie by declaring a point location, and once playback is done the
videoClip is closed.
 play videoClip 1 at loc of grc 1

The docs say a videoClip can be QuickTime, AVI or MPEG formats.  And the
syntax for controlling a videoClip is a little wonky.
 play pause videoClip "myCoolClip.mov"

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From klaus at major-k.de  Thu May 10 15:10:44 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 21:10:44 +0200
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <C268B7D0.253AC%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C268B7D0.253AC%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <6C4BC234-C260-4B0B-8B05-FE5E784A6946@major-k.de>

Hi Scott and all,


Am 10.05.2007 um 20:51 schrieb Scott Rossi:

> Recently, Howard Bornstein wrote:
>
>> Once I've set a custom property to contain the music or video  
>> data, how do I
>> reference it? Do I then need to spin it out as a temporary file  
>> and then
>> reference that? Then clean up the file when I'm done?
>
> As far as I know, this is the usual method.
>
> However, Trevor Devore once explained that it is possible import a  
> video
> file as a videoClip and play it directly on the card.  You can  
> position the
> the movie by declaring a point location, and once playback is done the
> videoClip is closed.
>  play videoClip 1 at loc of grc 1
>
> The docs say a videoClip can be QuickTime, AVI or MPEG formats.

Important hint:
You can only play QT videoclips on the Mac!
And with AVI files are restricted to the good ol' "Cinepak" codec!
If they did not change this in the engine sicne the MC days, which is  
very unlikely.

Similar restrictions apply for audiclips.

Still waiting for an overhaul of the multimedia engine, right Scott? ;-)

> And the syntax for controlling a videoClip is a little wonky.
>  play pause videoClip "myCoolClip.mov"
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Thu May 10 15:24:08 2007
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:24:08 -0400
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <200705101851.l4AIpuS5020554@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <200705101851.l4AIpuS5020554@ms-smtp-03.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260705101224j101919f6ndf0ab56ff82a4f4c@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/10/07, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
>
> As far as I know, this is the usual method.
>
> However, Trevor Devore once explained that it is possible import a video
> file as a videoClip and play it directly on the card.  You can position
> the
> the movie by declaring a point location, and once playback is done the
> videoClip is closed.
> play videoClip 1 at loc of grc 1
>
> The docs say a videoClip can be QuickTime, AVI or MPEG formats.  And the
> syntax for controlling a videoClip is a little wonky.
> play pause videoClip "myCoolClip.mov"
>

Thanks Scott,

I think I'll stick to the more modern player object. It's only a couple of
extra lines of code to write the file and it works fine!

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu May 10 17:31:26 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 16:31:26 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Revolution StandardLib 1.0b1 Posted
Message-ID: <20070510163126349934.2a586889@sonsothunder.com>

Hello everyone! 

This message is to announce that the RevInterop group 
(http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/) have been working on a 
"Standard Library" for Revolution and a beta version of the library is 
now available. This library, called "stdLib.rev" contains a variety of 
useful functions
and commands that the initial working group felt
were very useful for anyone programming in Revolution. However the main 
issue is not the actual code, but whether the first pass at the library 
has a good "core" set of handlers and functions for developers to use.

The full list of functions/commands, along with a place for providing
your feedback is at the following Wiki page on the Sons of Thunder web
site:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.RevolutionStdLib

If you are interested in reviewing the handlers in this library, please 
go to the Wiki and add your comments. Just a note of caution, though: 
I'm sure many of you will see what you might
consider "glaring omissions" or are wondering just why certain handlers
were included. Please keep in mind that (a) this is a first public pass
at the library, and (b) we don't want to load the library up with a lot
of useful, although esoteric, handlers. Of course, that is up to this
group to work through, so please provide whatever feedback you feel is
appropriate.

The end result of this effort will (hopefully) be a common library of 
handlers that
both experienced developers and newcomers can start to use in their
development efforts; it may also help RunRev answer the question about
why there isn't a standard library for Revolution like there is in other
languages... :-)

(If you want to get a copy of the beta of the Standard Library, you can 
join RevInterop and download it from the Files area. Don't worry - when 
the first version of "stdLib.rev" is released, we'll make it publicly 
accessible so you don't need to join RevInterop to get it. This isn't 
meant to solicit new users to RevInterop... ;-)

In any event, enjoy this first effort, and I'm looking forward to your
feedback!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From wjm at wjm.org  Thu May 10 19:43:28 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 19:43:28 -0400
Subject: performance of RevXML
References: <63340FB8-DB49-405B-8103-BE03C48763FF@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <f20au5$efi$1@sea.gmane.org>

Klaus,

> does anyone have some experience/hints with/for the performance of  RevXML 
> with big XML files? [...] we want to avoid using a "real" database engine.

Your biggest issue with "big" anything is memory usage, because the source 
table and any transformations you do with it are stored in RAM. As your data 
gets larger and larger, you run the risk of slowing down considerably or 
even running out of it. Not everyone has a gigabyte or more to play with.

The advantage of using a "real" database engine, like SQLite integrated with 
Rev 2.8.1, is that you'll be able to manipulate large tables with 
high-performance SQL commands, keeping your memory footprint down to just 
what is needed for on-screen display.

- Bill 





From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Thu May 10 22:18:06 2007
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:18:06 -0400
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <200705101651.l4AGpuvI003028@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
References: <200705101651.l4AGpuvI003028@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260705101918v57b37640t3b17122033afffda@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/10/07, Jim Sims <sims at ezpzapps.com> wrote:
>
>  I also write over the video file after I am done playing it with a word
> or two as they can be found in the trash, when written over the user cannot
> grab them and play them.



Hmm, I used Delete File to get rid of the temp file but it deletes it
directly rather than moving it to the trash. What are you using?

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From robmann at gp-racing.com  Thu May 10 22:22:30 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:22:30 -0400
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260705101224j101919f6ndf0ab56ff82a4f4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAPZqJcxRc3FMiqs2eIQjqg4BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

 Sounds Like I should try and put the pictures into customproperties I
created a customproperty for the stack 
ctgfork1 
now how to I put the picture into it, if I open the property inspector I
only can add text to it? I have looked at the manual for customproperties it
shows some code to add the picture to the property but can not get it to
work
tried this

set the itemdelimiter to slash
    put the effective filename of this stack into dbPath
    delete the last item of dbPath
    put "/ctgfork01.PNG" after dbPath	# 
    set the ctgfork1 of stack "specs" to URL "binfile:dbPath"

did not work?

Thanks
Rob


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[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Howard
Bornstein
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 3:24 PM
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: protecting images in standalone?

On 5/10/07, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
>
> As far as I know, this is the usual method.
>
> However, Trevor Devore once explained that it is possible import a video
> file as a videoClip and play it directly on the card.  You can position
> the
> the movie by declaring a point location, and once playback is done the
> videoClip is closed.
> play videoClip 1 at loc of grc 1
>
> The docs say a videoClip can be QuickTime, AVI or MPEG formats.  And the
> syntax for controlling a videoClip is a little wonky.
> play pause videoClip "myCoolClip.mov"
>

Thanks Scott,

I think I'll stick to the more modern player object. It's only a couple of
extra lines of code to write the file and it works fine!

-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Thu May 10 22:36:29 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 04:36:29 +0200
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260705101918v57b37640t3b17122033afffda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200705101651.l4AGpuvI003028@ms-smtp-04.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260705101918v57b37640t3b17122033afffda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CBD108F7-DA60-42DD-8068-F0C1E358DA80@ezpzapps.com>


On May 11, 2007, at 4:18 AM, Howard Bornstein wrote:

> Hmm, I used Delete File to get rid of the temp file but it deletes it
> directly rather than moving it to the trash. What are you using?

There was some event where in the trash a folder named 'recovered files'
(or something like that) was found, inside that folder was a few of the
reconstituted .mov files that could be taken out of the trash and then
played with the QT player. I had been using 'delete file', but even so,
when this event happened I included a step where I put "bob" into url
the temp file. When adding that the file shrunk to 4k and only had
"bob" in it if such an event happened again.


Jim Sims
Custom Software Development
www.EZPZapps.com




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri May 11 03:14:52 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 09:14:52 +0200
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAPZqJcxRc3FMiqs2eIQjqg4BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAPZqJcxRc3FMiqs2eIQjqg4BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <8CC855AB-33DC-47EC-9ED6-56DB39F08354@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Robert,

Le 11 mai 07 ? 04:22, Robert Mann a ?crit :

>  Sounds Like I should try and put the pictures into customproperties I
> created a customproperty for the stack
> ctgfork1
> now how to I put the picture into it, if I open the property  
> inspector I
> only can add text to it? I have looked at the manual for  
> customproperties it
> shows some code to add the picture to the property but can not get  
> it to
> work
> tried this
>
> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>     put the effective filename of this stack into dbPath
>     delete the last item of dbPath
>     put "/ctgfork01.PNG" after dbPath	#
>     set the ctgfork1 of stack "specs" to URL "binfile:dbPath"

set the ctgfork1 of stack "specs" to URL("binfile:" & dbPath)
'binfile' is a text string and 'dbPath' is a variable: they must be  
concatenated :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri May 11 04:01:40 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:01:40 +0200
Subject: looking for win icon editor with icns output
Message-ID: <000801c793a2$9cafa410$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello all,

My platform is Win XP and I am using Icofx to create Win Icons for Rev, what
works perfect. I have been searching for a freeware tool to create or
convert win icons (ico) to Mac Icons (icns) but didn't find anything yet. I
have only found tools to create for both platforms, working on Mac. Does
anybody has a tip for a tool on Win?

Thanks

Tiemo

 

 

 



From calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ  Fri May 11 04:33:31 2007
From: calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ (Cal Horner)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:33:31 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time)
Subject: Script Editor
Message-ID: <46442A5B.000007.03412@CALSBIGPC>

Has anybody out there ever tried to put text into the script editor using
script.

If so, would you like to share the "How To" with me.

Cal

From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri May 11 06:44:55 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:44:55 +1000
Subject: Menu shorrtcuts
Message-ID: <f99b52860705110344h41c5d70bh3cb9c4d2cc818d25@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Does anyone know if it is possible to display any menu shortcuts other
than those using the Command key (this is on Mac OS X only). You see
other apps that show shortcuts requireing Shift-Command-something or
Option-Command-whatever. Is this possible in Rev?

Cheers,
Sarah


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri May 11 06:57:34 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:57:34 +0200
Subject: Script Editor
In-Reply-To: <46442A5B.000007.03412@CALSBIGPC>
References: <46442A5B.000007.03412@CALSBIGPC>
Message-ID: <26B39289-F584-4999-8DC9-0574A3E213DA@economy-x-talk.com>

Cal,

Do you want to put text into an open, visible script editor by  
script, or do you want to set the script of an object?

If the former, you will have to find a way to to determined which  
script editor is currently the front-most. You might use the long id  
of the selectedField for that. This will provide you with sufficient  
information to enter text into the script editor.

If the latter, you can simply use the set command. Example: set the  
script of button 1 to field 1.

Best,

Mark

--

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Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
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Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 11-mei-2007, om 10:33 heeft Cal Horner het volgende geschreven:

> Has anybody out there ever tried to put text into the script editor  
> using
> script.
>
> If so, would you like to share the "How To" with me.
>
> Cal





From robmann at gp-racing.com  Fri May 11 07:05:54 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 07:05:54 -0400
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <8CC855AB-33DC-47EC-9ED6-56DB39F08354@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAACmtOBrs/hxNjkZv2IGlMG0BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>



Thanks
Eric

This gets info into the customproperty 'ctgfork1' not sure if it is correct
info but there is something in it know

set the itemdelimiter to slash	
    put the effective filename of this stack into dbPath
    delete the last item of dbPath
    put "/ctgfork01.PNG" after dbPath	
    set the ctgfork1 of stack "specs" to URL ("binfile:" & dbPath)
     
-- to display the image I tried this but does not work?

     put the ctgfork1 of this stack into image "ctgfork01"




set the ctgfork1 of stack "specs" to URL("binfile:" & dbPath)
'binfile' is a text string and 'dbPath' is a variable: they must be  
concatenated :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri May 11 07:26:13 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:26:13 +0200
Subject: AW: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAACmtOBrs/hxNjkZv2IGlMG0BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <002301c793bf$2f9ea070$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>


Should work this way Robert, can it be you address the wrong stack (this
stack)? Did you checked, if your custom property contains the data or is it
perhaps empty?

What I am curious about is, which property of the image is filled with
"put"? I tried also to "set the imagedata to", but that doesn't work.
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Robert Mann
> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2007 13:06
> An: 'How to use Revolution'
> Betreff: RE: protecting images in standalone?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> Eric
> 
> This gets info into the customproperty 'ctgfork1' not sure if it is
> correct
> info but there is something in it know
> 
> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>     put the effective filename of this stack into dbPath
>     delete the last item of dbPath
>     put "/ctgfork01.PNG" after dbPath
>     set the ctgfork1 of stack "specs" to URL ("binfile:" & dbPath)
> 
> -- to display the image I tried this but does not work?
> 
>      put the ctgfork1 of this stack into image "ctgfork01"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> set the ctgfork1 of stack "specs" to URL("binfile:" & dbPath)
> 'binfile' is a text string and 'dbPath' is a variable: they must be
> concatenated :-)
> 
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri May 11 07:27:36 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 12:27:36 +0100
Subject: Menu shorrtcuts
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705110344h41c5d70bh3cb9c4d2cc818d25@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860705110344h41c5d70bh3cb9c4d2cc818d25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02AA0ABC-D5F1-4886-B3F1-1680C956AFA5@azurevision.co.uk>

I asked on the list a couple of years ago and got no answer at all. :-(

If anyone knows of a way to do it I'll grateful - at the moment there  
doesn't appear to be any way to display  'standard' shortcuts such as  
Command-Shift-S for Save As...

Ian

On 11 May 2007, at 11:44, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Does anyone know if it is possible to display any menu shortcuts other
> than those using the Command key (this is on Mac OS X only). You see
> other apps that show shortcuts requireing Shift-Command-something or
> Option-Command-whatever. Is this possible in Rev?
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From martinblackman at gmail.com  Fri May 11 07:42:09 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:42:09 +0800
Subject: performance of RevXML
In-Reply-To: <f20au5$efi$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <63340FB8-DB49-405B-8103-BE03C48763FF@major-k.de>
	<f20au5$efi$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70705110442t6df678b6tedb141dec24bfe9c@mail.gmail.com>

A 20MB file will certainly be slow to make into an XML tree, say 60 to
90 seconds on typical machine and around 300MB RAM useage.
I'm working with files up to around 30MB for some software of mine
thats in progress. I haven't tried to implement any better solution at
present - I'll be warning that they may need 1GB of RAM or
more..should generally be achievable for my target market. I'm
thinking of using the  'hasmemory' function to generate a memory
warning if necessary before creating the tree, although the
documentation says it may not return useful values. It seems to be too
conservative on windows at least

regards
Martin

On 11/05/07, Bill Marriott <wjm at wjm.org> wrote:
> Klaus,
>
> > does anyone have some experience/hints with/for the performance of  RevXML
> > with big XML files? [...] we want to avoid using a "real" database engine.
>
> Your biggest issue with "big" anything is memory usage, because the source
> table and any transformations you do with it are stored in RAM. As your data
> gets larger and larger, you run the risk of slowing down considerably or
> even running out of it. Not everyone has a gigabyte or more to play with.
>
> The advantage of using a "real" database engine, like SQLite integrated with
> Rev 2.8.1, is that you'll be able to manipulate large tables with
> high-performance SQL commands, keeping your memory footprint down to just
> what is needed for on-screen display.
>
> - Bill
>
>
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri May 11 07:54:18 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:54:18 +0200
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAACmtOBrs/hxNjkZv2IGlMG0BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAACmtOBrs/hxNjkZv2IGlMG0BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <EFA266BD-5170-48AE-ADBC-668994044C0A@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Robert,

Try 'set the text of image ctgfork01" to the ctgfork1 of this stack'.
Note that if the image is not locked, the image object will  
automatically fit the actual dimensions of the original image but its  
loc will not change.
If the image is locked, the original image will be adapted to fit the  
dimensions of the image object.

Le 11 mai 07 ? 13:05, Robert Mann a ?crit :

> Thanks
> Eric
>
> This gets info into the customproperty 'ctgfork1' not sure if it is  
> correct
> info but there is something in it know
>
> set the itemdelimiter to slash	
>     put the effective filename of this stack into dbPath
>     delete the last item of dbPath
>     put "/ctgfork01.PNG" after dbPath	
>     set the ctgfork1 of stack "specs" to URL ("binfile:" & dbPath)
>
> -- to display the image I tried this but does not work?
>
>      put the ctgfork1 of this stack into image "ctgfork01"
>
> set the ctgfork1 of stack "specs" to URL("binfile:" & dbPath)
> 'binfile' is a text string and 'dbPath' is a variable: they must be
> concatenated :-)
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri May 11 07:56:51 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 13:56:51 +0200
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <EFA266BD-5170-48AE-ADBC-668994044C0A@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAACmtOBrs/hxNjkZv2IGlMG0BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
	<EFA266BD-5170-48AE-ADBC-668994044C0A@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <6D87165F-6D57-4461-9FC9-55E6CB88F7D7@sosmartsoftware.com>

Sorry, I forgot a quote:
set the text of image "ctgfork01" to the ctgfork1 of this stack

Le 11 mai 07 ? 13:54, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Hi Robert,
>
> Try 'set the text of image ctgfork01" to the ctgfork1 of this stack'.
> Note that if the image is not locked, the image object will  
> automatically fit the actual dimensions of the original image but  
> its loc will not change.
> If the image is locked, the original image will be adapted to fit  
> the dimensions of the image object.
>
> Le 11 mai 07 ? 13:05, Robert Mann a ?crit :
>
>> Thanks
>> Eric
>>
>> This gets info into the customproperty 'ctgfork1' not sure if it  
>> is correct
>> info but there is something in it know
>>
>> set the itemdelimiter to slash	
>>     put the effective filename of this stack into dbPath
>>     delete the last item of dbPath
>>     put "/ctgfork01.PNG" after dbPath	
>>     set the ctgfork1 of stack "specs" to URL ("binfile:" & dbPath)
>>
>> -- to display the image I tried this but does not work?
>>
>>      put the ctgfork1 of this stack into image "ctgfork01"
>>
>> set the ctgfork1 of stack "specs" to URL("binfile:" & dbPath)
>> 'binfile' is a text string and 'dbPath' is a variable: they must be
>> concatenated :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From robmann at gp-racing.com  Fri May 11 10:26:30 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (robmann at gp-racing.com)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:26:30 -0400
Subject: protecting images in standalone?
In-Reply-To: <6D87165F-6D57-4461-9FC9-55E6CB88F7D7@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAACmtOBrs/hxNjkZv2IGlMG0BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
	<EFA266BD-5170-48AE-ADBC-668994044C0A@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<6D87165F-6D57-4461-9FC9-55E6CB88F7D7@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <20070511102630.rz63f94lytwss8ok@gp-racing.com>

Eric thanks so much it works I have spent all week tying to find a way  
to make the images
hidden with the stack, first tried putting them in a database but  
could not find a way to
get them out, then customproperties

Thanks
Again
Rob



Quoting Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com>:

> Sorry, I forgot a quote:
> set the text of image "ctgfork01" to the ctgfork1 of this stack
>





From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri May 11 11:49:49 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:49:49 -0500
Subject: Menu shorrtcuts
In-Reply-To: <02AA0ABC-D5F1-4886-B3F1-1680C956AFA5@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <f99b52860705110344h41c5d70bh3cb9c4d2cc818d25@mail.gmail.com>
	<02AA0ABC-D5F1-4886-B3F1-1680C956AFA5@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20070511104949372175.4ca6ba69@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 11 May 2007 12:27:36 +0100, Ian Wood wrote:

> I asked on the list a couple of years ago and got no answer at all. :-(
> 
> If anyone knows of a way to do it I'll grateful - at the moment there 
> doesn't appear to be any way to display  'standard' shortcuts such as 
> Command-Shift-S for Save As...

That would be bug #3147, which was filed 8/2005 and is in Bugzilla as 
an enhancement request, in case you want to add your votes to it.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri May 11 11:55:04 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 10:55:04 -0500
Subject: looking for win icon editor with icns output
In-Reply-To: <000801c793a2$9cafa410$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000801c793a2$9cafa410$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <20070511105504835366.d4b85c21@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 11 May 2007 10:01:40 +0200, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> My platform is Win XP and I am using Icofx to create Win Icons for Rev, what
> works perfect. I have been searching for a freeware tool to create or
> convert win icons (ico) to Mac Icons (icns) but didn't find anything yet. I
> have only found tools to create for both platforms, working on Mac. Does
> anybody has a tip for a tool on Win?

Sorry, the only tool I'm aware of is not free, and that's Axialis' 
IconWorkshop at $39.95.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri May 11 11:57:47 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:57:47 +0200
Subject: AW: looking for win icon editor with icns output
In-Reply-To: <20070511105504835366.d4b85c21@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <004101c793e5$1f43cf40$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks Ken, it's a solution anyway
Have a nice weekend
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Ken Ray
> Gesendet: Freitag, 11. Mai 2007 17:55
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: looking for win icon editor with icns output
> 
> On Fri, 11 May 2007 10:01:40 +0200, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> >
> > My platform is Win XP and I am using Icofx to create Win Icons for Rev,
> what
> > works perfect. I have been searching for a freeware tool to create or
> > convert win icons (ico) to Mac Icons (icns) but didn't find anything
> yet. I
> > have only found tools to create for both platforms, working on Mac. Does
> > anybody has a tip for a tool on Win?
> 
> Sorry, the only tool I'm aware of is not free, and that's Axialis'
> IconWorkshop at $39.95.
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri May 11 13:22:26 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 18:22:26 +0100
Subject: Menu shorrtcuts
In-Reply-To: <20070511104949372175.4ca6ba69@sonsothunder.com>
References: <f99b52860705110344h41c5d70bh3cb9c4d2cc818d25@mail.gmail.com>
	<02AA0ABC-D5F1-4886-B3F1-1680C956AFA5@azurevision.co.uk>
	<20070511104949372175.4ca6ba69@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <17A60DF9-986A-4EB6-A534-1789BCD5B151@azurevision.co.uk>

Thanks, and I have!

Ian

On 11 May 2007, at 16:49, Ken Ray wrote:

> That would be bug #3147, which was filed 8/2005 and is in Bugzilla as
> an enhancement request, in case you want to add your votes to it.



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri May 11 13:53:44 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:53:44 +0200
Subject: performance of RevXML
In-Reply-To: <f20au5$efi$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <63340FB8-DB49-405B-8103-BE03C48763FF@major-k.de>
	<f20au5$efi$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <35364675-9DBA-4161-8178-EE34F16030AD@major-k.de>

HI Bill,

> Klaus,
>
>> does anyone have some experience/hints with/for the performance  
>> of  RevXML
>> with big XML files? [...] we want to avoid using a "real" database  
>> engine.
>
> Your biggest issue with "big" anything is memory usage, because the  
> source
> table and any transformations you do with it are stored in RAM. As  
> your data
> gets larger and larger, you run the risk of slowing down  
> considerably or
> even running out of it. Not everyone has a gigabyte or more to play  
> with.

Ah, I see, thanks for the info.

> The advantage of using a "real" database engine, like SQLite  
> integrated with
> Rev 2.8.1, is that you'll be able to manipulate large tables with
> high-performance SQL commands, keeping your memory footprint down  
> to just
> what is needed for on-screen display.

Yes, sure, that will be the way to fgo in  a lter release of our  
project.
(Have to bite more through SQL in general first ;-)

> - Bill



Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Fri May 11 19:09:58 2007
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 01:09:58 +0200
Subject: Python Samples with Tkinter from within Rev
In-Reply-To: <20070505170005.B840D489006@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070505170005.B840D489006@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <85967EF2-2F8B-416D-ADBE-70C1441A12E5@net2000.ch>

I have shared my stack "Python Samples with Tkinter" in the  
Programming category.

This stack demonstrates some use of the Python tool called from  
Revolution with two examples of the Tkinter GUI toolkit.
Set the folder for Python tool to the correct one (e.g. under  
MacOSX: /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin)...
Notice that this version display the Python window in modal mod, so  
you cannot edit stacks before you quit the Python thread.
It works fine under MacOSX which has a standard Python tool, others  
not tested.

If you are curious, open the stacks and execute in the msg box:

   put the uPythonSource of button "Test I with python Tkinter GUI"
or
   put the uPythonSource of button "Test II with python Tkinter GUI"

to read the Python source code (just 36 lines, respectively 25 lines).

From scott at cdroo.com  Fri May 11 21:35:15 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:35:15 +1000
Subject: looking for win icon editor with icns output
References: <000801c793a2$9cafa410$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<20070511105504835366.d4b85c21@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <006e01c79435$cd076560$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com>

> Sorry, the only tool I'm aware of is not free, and that's Axialis' 
> IconWorkshop at $39.95.

I'd like to second Axialis.  It's very powerful and very easy to use and the 
price is pretty close to free as you'd get for such an all round nice tool.

Scott Kane
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C Clarke 



From calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ  Fri May 11 23:41:50 2007
From: calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ (Cal Horner)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:41:50 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time)
Subject: Accessing gRev values
Message-ID: <4645377E.000003.03516@CALSBIGPC>

Is there any way of getting the value from an RR gRev global variable? Such as gRevMenuTarget.

From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May 12 03:25:06 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 08:25:06 +0100
Subject: Python Samples stack
Message-ID: <200705120825.06955.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

I can view it but not go to it.  Is this due to being on 2.6.1 Linux?

Peter


From alex at harryscollar.com  Sat May 12 04:04:39 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:04:39 +1000
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <200705120825.06955.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200705120825.06955.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <46457517.9030909@harryscollar.com>


sounds like it..

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/11/2021244&from=rss

regards
alex


From katir at hindu.org  Sat May 12 05:08:06 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 23:08:06 -1000
Subject: Grep -- How to match segment containing many lines
Message-ID: <464583F6.3030604@hindu.org>

I want to replace a chunk many files

<div id="linklist">
# lots of other stuff here, many lines all inconsistent
across many files##
</html>

<div id="linklist">(.*?)</html>

<div id="linklist">(.*)</html>

isn't working... I suspect because of the many lines
issue and I am having trouble finding the answer to
how to get grep to ignore line endings?

I'm sure it's really simple, but even after looking thru
BBEdit's grep help I can't find it.

TIA

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat May 12 06:19:14 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 03:19:14 -0700
Subject: End of U3?
Message-ID: <464594A2.2090201@fourthworld.com>

Alex Shaw wrote:
> sounds like it..
> 
> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/11/2021244&from=rss

Thanks for posting that, Alex.  Interesting read.

I liked this comment from one of the slashdotters:

    Trusted computing isn't about providing an environment you,
    the user can trust. It is about providing an environment
    copyright holders can trust you to have.

    Like the Soviet Russia jokes, only real.


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From david at openpartnership.net  Sat May 12 09:26:47 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:26:47 +0100
Subject: HTTPS from the comandline
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705120626n28be9787vcb4ec5d271fb2881@mail.gmail.com>

I have to do a one-off https post, and as the ssl library is now a $199
extra I am looking to do this from the command line. Does anyone have any
cross-platform experience of doing this?


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sat May 12 09:26:49 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:26:49 -0300
Subject: [OT] How to install Ubuntu (Feisty Fawn) in OS X using Parallels
 - a complete walkthrough
Message-ID: <4645C099.1060206@howsoft.com>

How to install Ubuntu (Feisty Fawn) in OS X using Parallels - a complete 
walkthrough

I came across the above article on the Internet the other day, and 
thought it might be potentially useful to any Rev colleagues who had not 
discovered it:

http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/04/27/how-to-install-ubuntu-feisty-fawn-in-os-x-using-parallels-a-complete-walkthrough/

If anyone has any further tips to give regarding the installation of 
Feisty through Parallels, please do give them to us.

A word of warning. If your Feisty involves the use of a PS/2 mouse in 
any way, I suggest you wait for Ubuntu's bugfix update which is sure to 
appear soon. The PS/2 mouse doesn't work in Feisty! This was a general 
Linux problem and not just a Ubuntu problem, but a very good example of 
the kind of disaster that can occur if you take the quality of other 
people's work for granted!

Bob



From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Sat May 12 09:46:07 2007
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (ron)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:46:07 -0400
Subject: Intel standalone crash
In-Reply-To: <f1bpci$u4c$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <20070502170007.5E7EF489016@mail.runrev.com><4638D525.4070806@castandcrew.com><20070502154207338432.60c3b322@sonsothunder.com><463920D9.1040502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<20070502220926174957.7410f4db@sonsothunder.com>
	<f1bpci$u4c$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <a352e276b0414c7502d060afb5d48028@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Hi,

I saved a standalone for an intel Mac and the older type on a Mac 
iBook. It calls custom properties for the control names and sets the 
menubar depending on whether the user selected UI is English or 
Japanese.  The older type standalone runs fine on an intel Mac as long 
as the rosetta option is chosen.

The intel version crashes on the intel Mac when the menu is clicked. It 
also does not display the control labels  properly, but as unreadable 
symbols. The program imports Japanese text and displays it with no 
problem.

It seems that text that is uniencoded will display but that unicoded 
text stored as custom props and simply set on a preopenstack handler do 
not? They work fine in a non-intel and not at all in the intel for 
which it was built. Is this a BOM problem and I need to store yet 
another set of custom props for the intel build?

sigh, when will foreign languages just work... (c'mon v3.0)

Can anyone explain this or point to a workaround?

Thanks
Ron

ps a windows standalone built on the Mac suffers the same problem with 
the control names being unreadable but clicking in the menu does not 
crash the program.



From klaus at major-k.de  Sat May 12 10:01:50 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:01:50 +0200
Subject: Grep -- How to match segment containing many lines
In-Reply-To: <464583F6.3030604@hindu.org>
References: <464583F6.3030604@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <6506E891-0845-4497-80A3-310D5F504662@major-k.de>

Hi Swami,

> I want to replace a chunk many files
>
> <div id="linklist">
> # lots of other stuff here, many lines all inconsistent
> across many files##
> </html>
>
> <div id="linklist">(.*?)</html>
>
> <div id="linklist">(.*)</html>
>
> isn't working... I suspect because of the many lines
> issue and I am having trouble finding the answer to
> how to get grep to ignore line endings?
>
> I'm sure it's really simple, but even after looking thru
> BBEdit's grep help I can't find it.

Good ol' Ken Ray once posted a code snippet that even iI could  
understand and
I use it now all the time for extracting values from XML like files:

function getXMLdata theData, what
   get matchText(theData,"(?s)<" & what & ">(.*?)</" & what &  
">",retValue)
   return retValue
end getXMLdata

This does only wok with fixed TAG names like:

-> theData = <oneTag>this and that and again this and that</oneTag>
-> get getXMLData theDAta,"oneTag"

Will return: his and that and again this and that

Maybe you can adapt this to your needs?
Like getting the desired string this way and then replace it with  
another string?

You could change it this way two support two different TAGs

function getXMLdata theData, TagOne,TagTwo
   get matchText(theData,"(?s)<" & TagOne & ">(.*?)</" & TagTwo &  
">",retValue)
   return retValue
end getXMLdata

Not tested, just an idea...

> TIA
>
> Sivakatirswami
> www.himalayanacademy.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From david at openpartnership.net  Sat May 12 10:16:12 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 15:16:12 +0100
Subject: HTTPS from the comandline
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705120626n28be9787vcb4ec5d271fb2881@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705120626n28be9787vcb4ec5d271fb2881@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705120716j27cdea91pf67aa6da36eb528f@mail.gmail.com>

Using the "curl" command line tool seems to be easy and working well for
https and http posts - it is installed by default on linux and OSX machines
- how about windows?

    put "curl -d" && kwote(postData) && someURL into someShell
    put shell(someShell) into theResult
    delete line 1 to 3 of theResult
    put theResult

The "-d" option is for "post" - see
http://curl.haxx.se/docs/httpscripting.html and
http://curl.haxx.se/docs/manual.html for examples...


From index at kenjikojima.com  Sat May 12 10:17:17 2007
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:17:17 -0400
Subject: Intel standalone crash
In-Reply-To: <a352e276b0414c7502d060afb5d48028@yhb.att.ne.jp>
References: <20070502170007.5E7EF489016@mail.runrev.com><4638D525.4070806@castandcrew.com><20070502154207338432.60c3b322@sonsothunder.com><463920D9.1040502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<20070502220926174957.7410f4db@sonsothunder.com>
	<f1bpci$u4c$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<a352e276b0414c7502d060afb5d48028@yhb.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <9460A6E4-706E-4D67-B493-863171B9C793@kenjikojima.com>

Ron,

If it was a BOM problem, try to use SJIS text for custom props.
It works for a Mac and Win BOM problem.

--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/



On May 12, 2007, at 9:46 AM, ron wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I saved a standalone for an intel Mac and the older type on a Mac  
> iBook. It calls custom properties for the control names and sets  
> the menubar depending on whether the user selected UI is English or  
> Japanese.  The older type standalone runs fine on an intel Mac as  
> long as the rosetta option is chosen.
>
> The intel version crashes on the intel Mac when the menu is  
> clicked. It also does not display the control labels  properly, but  
> as unreadable symbols. The program imports Japanese text and  
> displays it with no problem.
>
> It seems that text that is uniencoded will display but that  
> unicoded text stored as custom props and simply set on a  
> preopenstack handler do not? They work fine in a non-intel and not  
> at all in the intel for which it was built. Is this a BOM problem  
> and I need to store yet another set of custom props for the intel  
> build?
>
> sigh, when will foreign languages just work... (c'mon v3.0)
>
> Can anyone explain this or point to a workaround?
>
> Thanks
> Ron
>
> ps a windows standalone built on the Mac suffers the same problem  
> with the control names being unreadable but clicking in the menu  
> does not crash the program.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sat May 12 11:15:39 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 08:15:39 -0700
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <46457517.9030909@harryscollar.com>
References: <200705120825.06955.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<46457517.9030909@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <017901c794a8$66d992e0$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

> sounds like it..
> 
> http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/11/2021244&from=rss

No, not exactly - only a transformation in our support for an even larger
entity. Read the original article in Infoweek here
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199501108.

Not all that long ago, U3 was acquired by San Disk (San Disk and M-Systems
both owned 50% each previously; San Disk acquired M-Systems) and our
partnership with San Disk has blossomed. We havent been able to say anything
about this, for obvious reasons. It isnt something I can discuss in great
detail at this point but you shouldn't automatically assume this is going to
hose the Rev-U3 community - maybe just the opposite :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com
 



From david at openpartnership.net  Sat May 12 11:17:32 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 16:17:32 +0100
Subject: Spreadsheet
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705120817w167e361cyc1d5ccbd23aada0d@mail.gmail.com>

I am just starting work on a basic spreadsheet in Rev - I have a few
fragments but was wandering if anyone has some work they would be willing to
share?

The bits I have:

   1. altTable like component with headers
   2. data model
   3. bits to read and write to OpenOffice documents

I don't have any GUI or code for viewing, adding and editing formulae, or a
general way of taking standard formulae and applying them to cells. Any
ideas?


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat May 12 12:09:51 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:09:51 -0700
Subject: Accessing gRev values
In-Reply-To: <4645377E.000003.03516@CALSBIGPC>
Message-ID: <C26B34DF.45F5A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 5/11/07 8:41 PM, "Cal Horner" <calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ> wrote:

> Is there any way of getting the value from an RR gRev global variable? Such as
> gRevMenuTarget.

I am not sure of your question.  Doesn't this work?

put gRevMenuTarget into msg


Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat May 12 12:18:41 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:18:41 -0700
Subject: Grep -- How to match segment containing many lines
In-Reply-To: <464583F6.3030604@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <C26B36F1.45F5D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

you should look at the (?) directive syntax

such as (?i) = case sensitive
(?si) = ignore line endings + case sensitive
(?Usi) = ungreedy + ignore + sensitive

I think you want [greedy + ignore line endings] so use

put "(?s)<div id="linklist">(.*?)</html>" into regEx
get matchChunk(textBlock,regEx,charpos1,charpos2)
delete char charpos1 to charpos2 of textBlock

This should get you close to what you want.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/12/07 2:08 AM, "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> I want to replace a chunk many files
> 
> <div id="linklist">
> # lots of other stuff here, many lines all inconsistent
> across many files##
> </html>
> 
> <div id="linklist">(.*?)</html>
> 
> <div id="linklist">(.*)</html>
> 
> isn't working... I suspect because of the many lines
> issue and I am having trouble finding the answer to
> how to get grep to ignore line endings?
> 
> I'm sure it's really simple, but even after looking thru
> BBEdit's grep help I can't find it.
> 
> TIA
> 
> Sivakatirswami
> www.himalayanacademy.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution




From userev at canelasoftware.com  Sat May 12 12:19:20 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 09:19:20 -0700
Subject: [OT] How to install Ubuntu (Feisty Fawn) in OS X using
 Parallels - a complete walkthrough
In-Reply-To: <4645C099.1060206@howsoft.com>
References: <4645C099.1060206@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <E74572D0-1E6E-4DF3-9E18-1F165EC490A1@canelasoftware.com>


On May 12, 2007, at 6:26 AM, Bob Warren wrote:

> How to install Ubuntu (Feisty Fawn) in OS X using Parallels - a  
> complete walkthrough
>
> I came across the above article on the Internet the other day, and  
> thought it might be potentially useful to any Rev colleagues who  
> had not discovered it:
>
> http://www.simplehelp.net/2007/04/27/how-to-install-ubuntu-feisty- 
> fawn-in-os-x-using-parallels-a-complete-walkthrough/
>

Thanks Bob!  Handy tips.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From martinblackman at gmail.com  Sat May 12 12:52:25 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 00:52:25 +0800
Subject: Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705120817w167e361cyc1d5ccbd23aada0d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705120817w167e361cyc1d5ccbd23aada0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70705120952s57ef49f0n91df838e75bc93da@mail.gmail.com>

I have something basic with a 'formula bar' but the spreadsheet
doesn't actually allow for formulas, its basically for table entry.
Send me an email if that's of any interest.

>
> I don't have any GUI or code for viewing, adding and editing formulae, or a
> general way of taking standard formulae and applying them to cells. Any
> ideas?


From bvg at mac.com  Sat May 12 13:23:45 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 19:23:45 +0200
Subject: Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705120817w167e361cyc1d5ccbd23aada0d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705120817w167e361cyc1d5ccbd23aada0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f6c97eb827ad0bcd6a6720b9c8150258@mac.com>

Hi David

Unfortunately, I don't have any spreadsheet to share. I would be 
interested in your OpenOffice code though, any chance of making an 
example stack which contains your snippets?

As for formula handling, is there a special format you had in mind with 
"standard formulae"? Otherwise you could do (hehe) something like this:

1. Make up your code, as similar to rev code as possible. For example 
(off the top of my mind):
cell 1,3 + cell 1,4 / cell 1,5

2. Replace stuff rev doesn't understand with rev stuff (assuming every 
cell is a rev field):
field "cell 1,3" + field "cell 1,4" / field "cell 1,5"

3. evaluate the string in rev:
put value(field "cell 1,3" + field "cell 1,4" / field "cell 1,5") into 
field "cell 1,6"

You could of course use "do" as an alternative, I'm not sure if that'd 
be more complex, but it would certainly be less secure.

have fun
Bj?rnke

On 12 May 2007, at 17:17, David Bovill wrote:

> I am just starting work on a basic spreadsheet in Rev - I have a few
> fragments but was wandering if anyone has some work they would be 
> willing to
> share?
>
> The bits I have:
>
>   1. altTable like component with headers
>   2. data model
>   3. bits to read and write to OpenOffice documents
>
> I don't have any GUI or code for viewing, adding and editing formulae, 
> or a
> general way of taking standard formulae and applying them to cells. Any
> ideas?
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat May 12 14:32:20 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:32:20 -0700
Subject: Accessing gRev values
In-Reply-To: <C26B34DF.45F5A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C26B34DF.45F5A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46460834.4020904@pdslabs.net>

Hi Cal, Jim,

Assuming the gRev globals are in fact globals, and since globals have, well, 
global scope (there's no place in the runtime environment where they can't be 
made available once they exist), then all you should have to do in your script 
to gain access to those gRev globals is declare them the way you do any other 
global.

I've a lot of this recently with gRevAppIcon and gRevSmallAppIcon, to change the 
icons that show up in dialogs. I assume it's the same with any other global. 
Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong!

Thanks -
Phil Davis



Jim Ault wrote:
> On 5/11/07 8:41 PM, "Cal Horner" <calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ> wrote:
> 
>> Is there any way of getting the value from an RR gRev global variable? Such as
>> gRevMenuTarget.
> 
> I am not sure of your question.  Doesn't this work?
> 
> put gRevMenuTarget into msg
> 
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas


From revcompgeek at gmail.com  Sat May 12 15:26:47 2007
From: revcompgeek at gmail.com (Matthew)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 13:26:47 -0600
Subject: Date Chooser
Message-ID: <9E6BBDEE-A5CE-46A4-964F-83EBB6D13A42@gmail.com>

I need a way for the user to be able to choose a date like through a  
dialog. Has there been anything like this? Or is there something  
similar that I could adapt?

I thing Shao Sean made something similar, but I don't know if it  
would work. I am going to look at it, but I would still like to see  
if there is something better.

-- 
Matthew Peterson
Programmer
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center




From bvg at mac.com  Sat May 12 15:29:49 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:29:49 +0200
Subject: Date Chooser
In-Reply-To: <9E6BBDEE-A5CE-46A4-964F-83EBB6D13A42@gmail.com>
References: <9E6BBDEE-A5CE-46A4-964F-83EBB6D13A42@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa08586b45a52780468fd730a430adcb@mac.com>

third entry on my stacks page:

http://www.bjoernke.com/runrev/stacks.php

On 12 May 2007, at 21:26, Matthew wrote:

> I need a way for the user to be able to choose a date like through a 
> dialog. Has there been anything like this? Or is there something 
> similar that I could adapt?
>
> I thing Shao Sean made something similar, but I don't know if it would 
> work. I am going to look at it, but I would still like to see if there 
> is something better.
>
> -- 
> Matthew Peterson
> Programmer
> Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Sat May 12 16:17:40 2007
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:17:40 +0200
Subject: Python Samples stack
In-Reply-To: <20070512170005.5EC3248903D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070512170005.5EC3248903D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E0397CF5-87E5-41C3-B102-D3BC43A63DC8@net2000.ch>

> I can view it but not go to it.  Is this due to being on 2.6.1 Linux?

Hi Peter,

Is Python installed on your machine? To check that python is  
installed and to know the command folder path of the python tool type  
?which python?. Also, try a "python -V?" command (with uppercase for  
"V") in a shell terminal to get the version number.

In Revolution you can also execute:
   answer "Is python installed in the $PATH:" && shell("which python")
   answer "Python version is" && shell("python -V")

If Python is not installed, go to http://www.python.org/download/  
it's just easy to proceed. In MacOSX python is installed by default.  
I use version 2.5 but the stack should work for 2.3 and 2.4.


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat May 12 16:37:19 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 06:37:19 +1000
Subject: Date Chooser
In-Reply-To: <9E6BBDEE-A5CE-46A4-964F-83EBB6D13A42@gmail.com>
References: <9E6BBDEE-A5CE-46A4-964F-83EBB6D13A42@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705121337p241e16d7v40d8460804389904@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/13/07, Matthew <revcompgeek at gmail.com> wrote:
> I need a way for the user to be able to choose a date like through a
> dialog. Has there been anything like this? Or is there something
> similar that I could adapt?

<http://www.troz.net/Rev/libraries/Calendar.rev.gz> gives you a
calendar display that allows date selction by clicking only.

HTH,
Sarah


From revcompgeek at gmail.com  Sat May 12 16:45:10 2007
From: revcompgeek at gmail.com (Matthew)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 14:45:10 -0600
Subject: Date Chooser
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705121337p241e16d7v40d8460804389904@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9E6BBDEE-A5CE-46A4-964F-83EBB6D13A42@gmail.com>
	<f99b52860705121337p241e16d7v40d8460804389904@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2BC6B07-8CC6-4888-8E01-B1B0F7D2D23A@gmail.com>

Thanks to you both. I started using Bjornke's stack, but I think I  
like the calander better. I am going to try and combine both into a  
date chooser stack and write a small handler for it. If anyone is  
interested, I can post it later.

-- 
Matthew Peterson
Programmer
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center


On May 12, 2007, at 2:37 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On 5/13/07, Matthew <revcompgeek at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I need a way for the user to be able to choose a date like through a
>> dialog. Has there been anything like this? Or is there something
>> similar that I could adapt?
>
> <http://www.troz.net/Rev/libraries/Calendar.rev.gz> gives you a
> calendar display that allows date selction by clicking only.
>
> HTH,
> Sarah
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From katir at hindu.org  Sat May 12 17:10:51 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:10:51 -1000
Subject: Grep -- How to match segment containing many lines
In-Reply-To: <C26B36F1.45F5D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C26B36F1.45F5D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46462D5B.7030401@hindu.org>

Jim Ault wrote:
> you should look at the (?) directive syntax
> 
> such as (?i) = case sensitive
> (?si) = ignore line endings + case sensitive
> (?Usi) = ungreedy + ignore + sensitive
> 
> I think you want [greedy + ignore line endings] so use
> 
> put "(?s)<div id="linklist">(.*?)</html>" into regEx
> get matchChunk(textBlock,regEx,charpos1,charpos2)
> delete char charpos1 to charpos2 of textBlock
> 
> This should get you close to what you want.
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 


Jim, thanks... that's it.

(?s)<div id="linklist">(.*?)</html>
does it... and I found the section in the BBEdit help on
"Perl-Style Pattern Extensions"  where all this is
explained...

"s       allow. to match \r"

Marvelous!  The unintuitive part is that this pattern
or "toggle" must begin the entire expression.

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat May 12 19:37:44 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:37:44 -0500
Subject: Grep -- How to match segment containing many lines
In-Reply-To: <46462D5B.7030401@hindu.org>
References: <C26B36F1.45F5D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com> <46462D5B.7030401@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <20070512183744219491.c6f81ccc@sonsothunder.com>

> does it... and I found the section in the BBEdit help on
> "Perl-Style Pattern Extensions"  where all this is
> explained...
> 
> "s       allow. to match \r"
> 
> Marvelous!  The unintuitive part is that this pattern
> or "toggle" must begin the entire expression.

For more on how Rev handles it, go to www.pcre.org/man.txt, which is 
the documentation on the PCRE library that Rev uses for regex handling.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Sun May 13 01:55:05 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:55:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <017901c794a8$66d992e0$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705122254390.6633-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

I hope you are right... I was just counting on U3 drives for teaching next
fall...

Judy

On Sat, 12 May 2007, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> > sounds like it..
> >
> > http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/05/11/2021244&from=rss
>
> No, not exactly - only a transformation in our support for an even larger
> entity. Read the original article in Infoweek here
> http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199501108.
>
> Not all that long ago, U3 was acquired by San Disk (San Disk and M-Systems
> both owned 50% each previously; San Disk acquired M-Systems) and our
> partnership with San Disk has blossomed. We havent been able to say anything
> about this, for obvious reasons. It isnt something I can discuss in great
> detail at this point but you shouldn't automatically assume this is going to
> hose the Rev-U3 community - maybe just the opposite :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> Worldwide Business Operations
> Runtime Revolution Ltd
> http://www.runrev.com
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun May 13 05:46:09 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 02:46:09 -0700
Subject: End of U3?
Message-ID: <4646DE61.6030402@fourthworld.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
> I hope you are right... I was just counting on U3 drives for teaching next
> fall...

Just curious:  Why specifically U3 drives rather than the superset of 
all available thumb drives?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sun May 13 06:57:46 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 13:57:46 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: Spreadsheet
References: <c1c5836b0705120817w167e361cyc1d5ccbd23aada0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4646EF2A.000001.03632@MAZYTIS>

Hi David, 
 
regarding the formula processing and scripting, in one project I am using
sqlite to store and process tables because the SQL92 standard supports
things like as well as all major mathematical operators: 
 
SELECT a, b, 
CASE WHEN a>b AND a>2 THEN 'a is greater' 
WHEN a=b THEN a+b 
WHEN a<b THEN 'b is greater' 
ELSE 'unknown' 
END 
FROM mytable; 
 
SQL95 standard brings SQL even closer to complete programming languages, but
it is not yet implemented in litesql which however and luckily is (almost)
SQL92 compliant. 
 
Anyway I see this as the only way to implement any scripting and formula
translation in Revolution, otherwise your end users are likely to smash into
the infamous scriptlimit which is 10 lines of Revcode. 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: David Bovill 
Date: 12/05/2007 18:17:35 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Spreadsheet 
 
I am just starting work on a basic spreadsheet in Rev - I have a few 
fragments but was wandering if anyone has some work they would be willing to

share? 
 
The bits I have: 
 
1. altTable like component with headers 
2. data model 
3. bits to read and write to OpenOffice documents 
 
I don't have any GUI or code for viewing, adding and editing formulae, or a 
general way of taking standard formulae and applying them to cells. Any 
ideas? 
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sun May 13 09:06:11 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:06:11 -0400
Subject: Date Chooser
In-Reply-To: <D2BC6B07-8CC6-4888-8E01-B1B0F7D2D23A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C26C8583.32F77%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I am interested in your idea of combining both. I would also like to be able
to change the format of the date returned easily.  (for example to yyyymmdd
or sometimes mm/dd/yy




On 5/12/07 4:45 PM, "Matthew" <revcompgeek at gmail.com> wrote:

 using Bjornke's stack, but I think I
> like the calander better. I am going to try and combine both into a
> date chooser stack and write a small handler for it. If anyone is
> interested, I can post it later.







From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sun May 13 09:07:47 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:07:47 -0400
Subject: Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <4646EF2A.000001.03632@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <C26C85E3.32F78%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I never heard of this script limit other then in early demos. Can you
explain?

Also I like the idea of your use of the SQLite functions in your project.


On 5/13/07 6:57 AM, "Viktoras Didziulis" <viktoras at ekoinf.net> wrote:

> Anyway I see this as the only way to implement any scripting and formula
> translation in Revolution, otherwise your end users are likely to smash into
> the infamous scriptlimit which is 10 lines of Revcode.

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          )___))___))___)\
         )____)____)_____)\\
       _____|____|____|____\\\__
-------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
 ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
       ^^^^      ^^^

24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
fax: (815) 331-0838

Blue Water Maritime
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From bvg at mac.com  Sun May 13 10:00:27 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 16:00:27 +0200
Subject: Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <C26C85E3.32F78%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <C26C85E3.32F78%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <cb1338a81991aa0cc3c06c94635acb02@mac.com>

You cannot create a product that lets you enter more then 10 lines of 
script into the script of an object when not in the ide (actually you 
can, but the lines won't execute). You cannot give the do command more 
then 10 lines to execute.

Note that 10 lines in this context doesn't equal 9 returns, but is 
somewhat more complicated (ie. most "if" constructs are one line, the 
"on"/"end" pair is one line, and some more caveats)

Also check the documentation entry for the scriptlimits function. 
(There used to be an "About..." entry on this, but the "About..." pages 
went the way of the dodo)

On 13 May 2007, at 15:07, Bill wrote:

> I never heard of this script limit other then in early demos. Can you
> explain?
>
> Also I like the idea of your use of the SQLite functions in your 
> project.
>
>
> On 5/13/07 6:57 AM, "Viktoras Didziulis" <viktoras at ekoinf.net> wrote:
>
>> Anyway I see this as the only way to implement any scripting and 
>> formula
>> translation in Revolution, otherwise your end users are likely to 
>> smash into
>> the infamous scriptlimit which is 10 lines of Revcode.
>
>             |    |    |
>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>           )___))___))___)\
>          )____)____)_____)\\
>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
> -------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>        ^^^^      ^^^
>
> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
> fax: (815) 331-0838
>
> Blue Water Maritime
> P.O. Box 2087
> Rio Grande, PR 00745
>
>
>
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sun May 13 10:16:24 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:16:24 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: Spreadsheet
References: <C26C85E3.32F78%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <46471DB7.000003.02940@MAZYTIS>

Hi Bill,
check the Rev documentation (2.8.0) dictionary on scriptLimits and script
property: 
 
..when using a standalone application, an object's script property may not
be set to a string containing more than ten statements. This limit is set by
line 1 of the scriptLimits function. (This does not limit scripts that are
already written: standalone applications can run scripts of any length.
However, if the standalone attempts to change an object's script property,
and the script contains more than the allowable number of statements, the
attempt to set the script causes an error.)... 
 
It is likely to prevent somebody using Revolution studio to create a
competing RAD environment. Unfortunately this also prevents from
implementing any kind of scripting, or complex formula translations which
would not compete with the RAD in any way. Therefore in order to implement
end-user scripting for own products (like allowing user to create decision
trees with formulas in nodes) some of us have to resort to other languages
via shell or SQL92/95 as alternatives. I guess the most efficient way is to
use SQL because of its tight integration with Revolution through its
database modules.
 
Best! 
Viktoras 
 
 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Bill 
Date: 13/05/2007 16:07:45 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Re: Spreadsheet 
 
I never heard of this script limit other then in early demos. Can you 
explain? 
 
Also I like the idea of your use of the SQLite functions in your project. 
 
 
On 5/13/07 6:57 AM, "Viktoras Didziulis" <viktoras at ekoinf.net> wrote: 
 
> Anyway I see this as the only way to implement any scripting and formula 
> translation in Revolution, otherwise your end users are likely to smash
into 
> the infamous scriptlimit which is 10 lines of Revcode. 
 
| | | 
)_) )_) )_) 
)___))___))___)\ 
)____)____)_____)\\ 
_____|____|____|____\\\__ 
-------\ /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com 
^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 
^^^^ ^^^^ ^^^ ^^ 
^^^^ ^^^ 
 
24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190 
fax: (815) 331-0838 
 
Blue Water Maritime 
P.O. Box 2087 
Rio Grande, PR 00745 
 
 
 
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From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 13 10:49:12 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 15:49:12 +0100
Subject: Spreadsheet
In-Reply-To: <46471DB7.000003.02940@MAZYTIS>
References: <C26C85E3.32F78%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<46471DB7.000003.02940@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705130749t422a11efu21a6b20775052646@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone - yes using Rev syntax would hit the Script limits using
"do" - but I think:

    put value(field "cell 1,3" + field "cell 1,4" / field "cell 1,5") into

Would not be subject to this, using SQL syntax is also interesting - I would
like to use the same syntax that people would use in Excel / OpenOffice...
so I am thinking of creating a parser for this...

With regard to the OpenOffice code - its a fragment at the moment, and all
it does is unzip the file and read the folder / XML structure... it is not
useful yet, and I plan to get this ready for a number of similar formats to
release later.

My guess with regard to a general spread sheet object would be to take a
table and then add a custom property which would contain any "formulae"
referenced by cell (ie 2,5). An evaluate function would then loop through
this custom property array and evaluate each of the formulae - replacing /
updating the contents of the cell - I have never used the Rev table object
because of difficulty in hacking it - and here you would need to intercept
the Rev table object calls when editing a formula cell - does anyone have
any experience of trapping Rev table calls - is when editing the cell?


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sun May 13 11:08:06 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 11:08:06 -0400
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <46471DB7.000003.02940@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <OF5AD9F7CE.FDCBCDBC-ON852572DA.0052164A-852572DA.00521EBC@sealedair.com>

On 05/13/2007 at 10:16 AM "Viktoras Didziulis" wrote:
> It is likely to prevent somebody using Revolution studio to create a
> competing RAD environment. Unfortunately this also prevents from
> implementing any kind of scripting, or complex formula translations which
> would not compete with the RAD in any way. Therefore in order to
implement
> end-user scripting for own products (like allowing user to create
decision
> trees with formulas in nodes) some of us have to resort to other
languages
> via shell or SQL92/95 as alternatives. I guess the most efficient way is
to
> use SQL because of its tight integration with Revolution through its
> database modules.
>
> Best!
> Viktoras

Shouldn't this limitation be obsoleted? I had read once that RunTime had no
fear of a competing IDE, and in fact, they incourage it. It was explained
that a license to the engine is still required, so RunTime would still
benefit from sales. This ancient 10 line limit is well, "limiting" us as
developers. Do any of Revs competing languages have such a limit imposed on
built standalone apps?

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From bvg at mac.com  Sun May 13 11:16:16 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:16:16 +0200
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <OF5AD9F7CE.FDCBCDBC-ON852572DA.0052164A-852572DA.00521EBC@sealedair.com>
References: <OF5AD9F7CE.FDCBCDBC-ON852572DA.0052164A-852572DA.00521EBC@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <1d7ad3a55e8ea03548d301c58c3bcc46@mac.com>

Almost all commercial products in the same market are compiled. 
Interpreted languages, and thus languages that can change code during 
runtime, are most often open source.

That said, I'd love to be able to use more lines in do, or setting more 
lines of a script.

On 13 May 2007, at 17:08, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:

> On 05/13/2007 at 10:16 AM "Viktoras Didziulis" wrote:
>> It is likely to prevent somebody using Revolution studio to create a
>> competing RAD environment. Unfortunately this also prevents from
>> implementing any kind of scripting, or complex formula translations 
>> which
>> would not compete with the RAD in any way. Therefore in order to
> implement
>> end-user scripting for own products (like allowing user to create
> decision
>> trees with formulas in nodes) some of us have to resort to other
> languages
>> via shell or SQL92/95 as alternatives. I guess the most efficient way 
>> is
> to
>> use SQL because of its tight integration with Revolution through its
>> database modules.
>>
>> Best!
>> Viktoras
>
> Shouldn't this limitation be obsoleted? I had read once that RunTime 
> had no
> fear of a competing IDE, and in fact, they incourage it. It was 
> explained
> that a license to the engine is still required, so RunTime would still
> benefit from sales. This ancient 10 line limit is well, "limiting" us 
> as
> developers. Do any of Revs competing languages have such a limit 
> imposed on
> built standalone apps?
>
> Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
>
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From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 13 11:19:14 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 16:19:14 +0100
Subject: A challenge: adding months to a date?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>

I thought this was easy! Well I discovered a bug in some old code and now I
am pulling my hair out trying to fix / code this... an interesting puzzle
for those of you so inclined on a Sunday :)

The Task
The function needs to add a variable number of months to a given date:

function date_AddMonth monthNum, startDate
    ....
end date_AddMonth

Seems easy no?

Use Case
I have some bank statements with statement numbers issued each calendar
month. First statement is numbered 01 and is for October 2002. I want to
work out what the month and year is for the nth statement.

First Try

function date_AddMonth monthNum, startDate
    convert startDate to dateItems
    put startDate into someDate

    put item 2 of someDate into oMonthNum
    put oMonthNum + monthNum into overMonthNum

    put overMonthNum into item 2 of someDate
    convert someDate to dateItems

    return someDate
end date_AddMonth

I thought this worked fine, but if the startdate is lets say January 31 -
well adding a month basically goes to Feb 31st which converts to March... so
you need to do something else.... but what??? Been trying a few hours now
and things have got complicated involving for a start working out leap
years!

Unit Test
Well if anyone can figure this out - here is the test to pass:

on mouseUp
    -- put "Friday, January 31, 2002" into abbeyStartDate
    put "2002,1,31,1,0,0,5" into abbeyStartDate
    put 1 into lastMonth
    repeat with statementNumber = 1 to 100
        put item 2 of date_AddMonth(statementNumber, abbeyStartDate) into
someMonth
        put someMonth
        if statementNumber mod 12 is not (someMonth - 1) then
        put merge("Failed adding [[statementNumber]] to [[abbeyStartDate]].
Resulted in [[someMonth]]")
            answer "Failed!"
            exit to top
        end if
    end repeat
    answer "Success!!"
end mouseUp

I cant figure it out???

More Problems
Sometimes when you dig things just get more complex. While debugging i am
finding that sometime adding numbers to the 2nd item of the dateitems and
then reconverting to dateitems works fine, and then mysteriously at others
it does not... seemingly getting confused by having the wrong daynum in item
7... still not figured what is going on...

Stuff that may help?
Here is a function you may need (well thats the direction I am trying):

function date_MaxDaysInMonth someDate
    /*
    Base on the rhyme:
    30 dyays has September, April, June and Novemeber
    All the rest have 31
    Except Februaruy
    Which has 28 and 29 on a leap year
    */

    convert someDate to dateItems
    put item 2 of someDate into monthNum

    return date_MaxDaysInMonthNum(monthNum)
end date_MaxDaysInMonth

function date_MaxDaysInMonthNum monthNum
    /*
    Base on the rhyme:
    30 days has September, April, June and Novemeber
    All the rest have 31
    Except Februaruy
    Which has 28 and 29 on a leap year
    */

    put 30 into item 9 of maxDaylist
    put 30 into item 4 of maxDaylist
    put 30 into item 6 of maxDaylist
    put 30 into item 11 of maxDaylist

    put 31 into item 1 of maxDaylist
    put 31 into item 3 of maxDaylist
    put 31 into item 5 of maxDaylist
    put 31 into item 7 of maxDaylist
    put 31 into item 8 of maxDaylist
    put 31 into item 10 of maxDaylist
    put 31 into item 12 of maxDaylist

    if date_IsLeapYear(someDate) then
        put 29 into item 2 of maxDaylist
    else
        put 28 into item 2 of maxDaylist
    end if

    return item monthNum of maxDaylist
end date_MaxDaysInMonthNum

function date_IsLeapYear someDate
    convert someDate to dateitems
    put 2 into item 2 of someDate
    put 29 into item 3 of someDate
    convert someDate to dateitems
    return item 2 of someDate = 2
end date_IsLeapYear

- but maybe someone already has a simple function that passes this test?


From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 13 11:28:17 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 16:28:17 +0100
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <1d7ad3a55e8ea03548d301c58c3bcc46@mac.com>
References: <OF5AD9F7CE.FDCBCDBC-ON852572DA.0052164A-852572DA.00521EBC@sealedair.com>
	<1d7ad3a55e8ea03548d301c58c3bcc46@mac.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705130828k238cc38bpf029a46bf9d1207d@mail.gmail.com>

No - I don't think this makes sense - I wish it did. Allowing you to add as
many lines of code as you want and create your own IDE would mean you could
recreate an app with RunRev IDE functionality and release this as a binary
without needing anything from RunRev - hence the script limits? RunRev may
be encouraging alternative IDE's but thats not the same as being able to
release a straight competative product based only on purchasing a single
user license?

On the other hand I do not see why they don't free up the script limits and
use the law to enforce the non-competing IDE thing - though I'd say that in
the long term none of this is going to make any sense to anyone.


From klaus at major-k.de  Sun May 13 11:41:16 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:41:16 +0200
Subject: A challenge: adding months to a date?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A60B191A-4D46-47C2-A96E-099591D98F48@major-k.de>

Hi David,

> I thought this was easy! Well I discovered a bug in some old code  
> and now I
> am pulling my hair out trying to fix / code this... an interesting  
> puzzle
> for those of you so inclined on a Sunday :)
>
> The Task
> The function needs to add a variable number of months to a given date:
>
> function date_AddMonth monthNum, startDate
>    ....
> end date_AddMonth
>
> Seems easy no?
> ...

Hmmm, I always use "dateitems", let the engine do the conversion and  
never had problem.
...
convert tDate to dateitems
add num_of_extra_months to item 2 of it
convert tDate to date
...

Or am I missing something?


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Sun May 13 11:45:05 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:45:05 +0200
Subject: A challenge: adding months to a date?
In-Reply-To: <A60B191A-4D46-47C2-A96E-099591D98F48@major-k.de>
References: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
	<A60B191A-4D46-47C2-A96E-099591D98F48@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <FBD7849B-92D5-4370-9D3E-36872CC7A95C@major-k.de>

Hi David,

sorry, little typo in my last mail!

> Hi David,
>
>> I thought this was easy! Well I discovered a bug in some old code  
>> and now I
>> am pulling my hair out trying to fix / code this... an interesting  
>> puzzle
>> for those of you so inclined on a Sunday :)
>>
>> The Task
>> The function needs to add a variable number of months to a given  
>> date:
>>
>> function date_AddMonth monthNum, startDate
>>    ....
>> end date_AddMonth
>>
>> Seems easy no?
>> ...
>
> Hmmm, I always use "dateitems", let the engine do the conversion  
> and never had problem.
> ...
> convert tDate to dateitems
> add num_of_extra_months to item 2 of it
## should be:
add num_of_extra_months to item 2 of tDate
> convert tDate to date
> ...

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From rjb at robelko.com  Sun May 13 11:37:45 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:37:45 +0200
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <OF5AD9F7CE.FDCBCDBC-ON852572DA.0052164A-852572DA.00521EBC@sealedair.com>
References: <OF5AD9F7CE.FDCBCDBC-ON852572DA.0052164A-852572DA.00521EBC@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <p062408a4c26cdfbae95a@[192.168.1.101]>

>Shouldn't this limitation be obsoleted? I had read once that RunTime had no
>fear of a competing IDE, and in fact, they incourage it. It was explained
>that a license to the engine is still required, so RunTime would still
>benefit from sales. This ancient 10 line limit is well, "limiting" us as
>developers. Do any of Revs competing languages have such a limit imposed on
>built standalone apps?
>
>Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
>

I think you are confusing two different things.

An IDE runs with licensed engine, so the script limits do not apply. 
This is why we can use alternative IDEs.

The stand-alone applications or stacks running in the player are 
subject to script limits. Were they not, some mischievious person 
would release a stack that allows anyone to run any size script, 
effectively eliminating a need for buying the license. This would, of 
course, kill RR's business.

The limits affect only scripts that are compiled at runtime, when 
running not in licensed IDE that is, like the code executed through 
"do".

Robert


From bvg at mac.com  Sun May 13 12:30:52 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:30:52 +0200
Subject: A challenge: adding months to a date?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1723a37f72527c89716518336a040254@mac.com>

I like challenges :)
The following function adds monthNums months, and gives you the last 
day of that month, if the original day number was more then the target 
month actually has days. Works on 2.8 (does NOT work correctly for 
2.8.1 rc3 due to bug 4915)

function date_AddMonth monthNum, startDate
   convert startDate to dateItems --does not work if startDate is a 
system date
   put item 3 of startDate into theDay
   put 1 into item 3 of startDate
   add monthNum to item 2 of startDate
   convert startDate from dateItems to dateItems
   put item 2 of startDate into theMonth
   put item 1 of startDate into theYear
   put getMaxDays(theMonth, theYear) into maxDay
   if theDay > maxDay then
     put maxDay into theDay
   end if
   put theDay into item 3 of startDate
   --convert startDate from dateItems to <favorite date format>
   return startDate
end date_AddMonth

function getMaxDays theMonth, theYear
   put "1,January,3,March,5,May,7,July,8,August,10,October,12,December" 
into Months31
   put "4,April,6,June,9,September,11,November" into Months30
   if theMonth is among the items of Months31 then
     put 31 into HowManyDays
   else if theMonth is among the items of Months30 then
     put 30 into HowManyDays
   else --February
     if (theYear mod 400 = 0) or (theYear mod 100 <> 0) and (theYear mod 
4 = 0) then
       put 29 into HowManyDays -- leap year
     else
       put 28 into HowManyDays
     end if
   end if
   return HowManyDays
end getMaxDays


-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun May 13 12:35:46 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:35:46 -0700
Subject: ScriptLimits (was Spreadsheet)
Message-ID: <46473E62.8010301@fourthworld.com>

Viktoras Didziulis wrote:
 > It is likely to prevent somebody using Revolution studio to
 > create a competing RAD environment. Unfortunately this also
 > prevents from implementing any kind of scripting, or complex
 > formula translations which would not compete with the RAD
 > in any way. Therefore in order to implement end-user
 > scripting for own products (like allowing user to create
 > decision trees with formulas in nodes) some of us have to
 > resort to other languages via shell or SQL92/95 as
 > alternatives.

Those are good options, and you can design your own 4GLs and 5GLs in Rev 
too.  Rev's lighting-fast text processing makes crafting interpreters 
reasonably efficient for lightweight jobs, and you have the freedom to 
tailor the language for your application's audience.  As much as I 
personally enjoy xTalk, I wouldn't wish it on my customers.  Rev is far 
too broad and deep for an audience that just needs to automate a few tasks.


David Bovill wrote:
 > Thanks everyone - yes using Rev syntax would hit the Script
 > limits using "do" - but I think:
 >
 >   put value(field "cell 1,3" +field "cell 1,4"/field "cell 1,5") into
 >
 > Would not be subject to this

True enough: scriptLimits doesn't limit the data you can work on, only 
how many executable statements can be created on the fly.  Using "do" 
and "send" you can execute up to 10 statements at a time, which is 
usually more than most spreadsheets will need.


Roger Eller wrote:
 > Shouldn't this limitation be obsoleted? I had read once that
 > RunTime had no fear of a competing IDE, and in fact, they
 > incourage it. It was explained that a license to the engine
 > is still required, so RunTime would still benefit from sales.
 > This ancient 10 line limit is well, "limiting" us as developers.
 > Do any of Revs competing languages have such a limit imposed on
 > built standalone apps?

Not through that property specifically, but by other means. HyperCard, 
SuperCard, OMO, and Gain Momentum all required non-distributable, 
compiled elements to develop in.  Rev is the first I've seen that packs 
so much raw power into a small self-contained app.

Indeed it is the security provided by the scriptLimits which allows 
RunRev to be supportive of alternate IDEs.  Currently it is as you 
describe:  No matter what collection of stacks a user runs in Rev as the 
IDE, they still need to have a licensed Rev engine to run them.

But if the scriptLimits were bypassed then any standalone could do what 
Rev does, and any customer could buy one copy of Rev, write an IDE for 
it, and compete directly with Rev.  Talk about ROI:  RunRev puts 
hundreds of thousands of pounds in acquiring and enhancing the engine, 
and someone else takes that for the low cost of a Studio license.  With 
nothing more than $299 at stake, they could afford to sell the product 
for far less than RunRev, and could appreciably damage the viability of 
the company, and hence further enhancement of the engine myself and my 
clients depend on for our businesses.

The downsides of removing scriptLimits are clear, but what are the 
downsides of keeping it?  While there may be theoretical annoyances 
related to scriptLimits, in practice I haven't seen a case yet where it 
was an actual issue.

Most of Rev's thousands of customers never even have occasion to run 
across the scriptLimits, and many of those who do either find more 
efficient solutions than the complexity of self-modifying code or, like 
David Bovill, custom-craft their own parsers to arrive at exactly the 
syntax they want to deliver to their customers.

For the very, very small subset of those whose app truly needs to 
support Transcript scripting specifically, Kevin has made it clear time 
and again that they can contact him to arrange that.  Last time I asked 
him about this no on had taken him up on the offer.

And depending on one's business model, it may not even require such 
negotiation.  One of my apps will support its own 5GL later this year, 
and may offer direct xTalk scripting as an optional add-on pack for the 
very few customers who would want it.  In such cases we plan to just buy 
licenses for RevMedia, add our tools, and sell the package for $99.  Rev 
makes their $49, we make an additional $50 for our value-added 
components, and the customer discovers that they not only get open 
scripting but also a bunch of nifty media templates.   What's not to 
like? :)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com




From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sun May 13 12:51:46 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:51:46 -0400
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <p062408a4c26cdfbae95a@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <OFCB7E63D6.A885817B-ON852572DA.005A6838-852572DA.005B9C7F@sealedair.com>

On 05/13/2007 at 11:37 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

>>Shouldn't this limitation be obsoleted? I had read once that RunTime had
no
>>fear of a competing IDE, and in fact, they encourage it. It was explained
>>that a license to the engine is still required, so RunTime would still
>>benefit from sales. This ancient 10 line limit is well, "limiting" us as
>>developers. Do any of Revs competing languages have such a limit imposed
on
>>built standalone apps?
>>
>>Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>

>I think you are confusing two different things.
>
>An IDE runs with licensed engine, so the script limits do not apply.
>This is why we can use alternative IDEs.
>
>The stand-alone applications or stacks running in the player are
>subject to script limits. Were they not, some mischievious person
>would release a stack that allows anyone to run any size script,
>effectively eliminating a need for buying the license. This would, of
>course, kill RR's business.
>
>The limits affect only scripts that are compiled at runtime, when
>running not in licensed IDE that is, like the code executed through
>"do".
>
>Robert

I admit my confusion regarding the conditions of where and why the script
limits exist. I still believe it to be an unnecessary constraining factor
in a developers ability to create dynamic code in their standalones when
law could be used instead to enforce anti-piracy. Certain application types
need this flexibility such as AI. My preference would be either the removal
of the limitation completely or to expand it to 25 lines (or more). It
would still be limiting enough to prevent mischievous persons from stealing
RRs business, yet broad enough that most developers could accomplish their
goals when longer dynamic scripts are really needed.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 13 13:09:01 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:09:01 +0100
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <OFCB7E63D6.A885817B-ON852572DA.005A6838-852572DA.005B9C7F@sealedair.com>
References: <p062408a4c26cdfbae95a@192.168.1.101>
	<OFCB7E63D6.A885817B-ON852572DA.005A6838-852572DA.005B9C7F@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705131009o14071671xc246ed22cd7e2bf2@mail.gmail.com>

I'd agree with Roger on both the key points - use law not functional
restrictions and at least extend to 25 lines.

On 13/05/07, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com <Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com>
wrote:
>
> On 05/13/2007 at 11:37 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
>
> >>Shouldn't this limitation be obsoleted? I had read once that RunTime had
> no
> >>fear of a competing IDE, and in fact, they encourage it. It was
> explained
> >>that a license to the engine is still required, so RunTime would still
> >>benefit from sales. This ancient 10 line limit is well, "limiting" us as
> >>developers. Do any of Revs competing languages have such a limit imposed
> on
> >>built standalone apps?
> >>
> >>Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
>
> >I think you are confusing two different things.
> >
> >An IDE runs with licensed engine, so the script limits do not apply.
> >This is why we can use alternative IDEs.
> >
> >The stand-alone applications or stacks running in the player are
> >subject to script limits. Were they not, some mischievious person
> >would release a stack that allows anyone to run any size script,
> >effectively eliminating a need for buying the license. This would, of
> >course, kill RR's business.
> >
> >The limits affect only scripts that are compiled at runtime, when
> >running not in licensed IDE that is, like the code executed through
> >"do".
> >
> >Robert
>
> I admit my confusion regarding the conditions of where and why the script
> limits exist. I still believe it to be an unnecessary constraining factor
> in a developers ability to create dynamic code in their standalones when
> law could be used instead to enforce anti-piracy. Certain application
> types
> need this flexibility such as AI. My preference would be either the
> removal
> of the limitation completely or to expand it to 25 lines (or more). It
> would still be limiting enough to prevent mischievous persons from
> stealing
> RRs business, yet broad enough that most developers could accomplish their
> goals when longer dynamic scripts are really needed.
>
> Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
>
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From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 13 13:34:35 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 18:34:35 +0100
Subject: A challenge: adding months to a date?
In-Reply-To: <1723a37f72527c89716518336a040254@mac.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
	<1723a37f72527c89716518336a040254@mac.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705131034t6e84e780v3162a04e476c146f@mail.gmail.com>

Getting there :)

But still fails the unit tests - resulting in:

1
Failed adding 1 to 2002,1,31,1,0,0,5. Resulted in 1
2
Failed adding 2 to 2002,1,31,1,0,0,5. Resulted in 2
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
10
Failed adding 10 to 2002,1,31,1,0,0,5. Resulted in 10

Which looks like is kind of one out of the loop - NB I like your evaluation
of leap years - is that all there is to it? Taking a look at the code now to
see where it is going wrong...


on mouseUp
    -- unit test

    put "2002,1,31,1,0,0,5" into abbeyStartDate
    put 1 into lastMonth
    repeat with statementNumber = 1 to 10
        put item 2 of date_AddMonth(statementNumber, abbeyStartDate) into
someMonth
        put someMonth
        if statementNumber mod 12 is not (someMonth - 1) then
            put merge("Failed adding [[statementNumber]] to
[[abbeyStartDate]]. Resulted in [[someMonth]]")
        end if
    end repeat
end mouseUp

function date_AddMonth monthNum, startDate
    convert startDate to dateItems    # does not work if startDate is a
system date
    put item 3 of startDate into theDay
    put 1 into item 3 of startDate
    add monthNum to item 2 of startDate
    convert startDate from dateItems to dateItems
    put item 2 of startDate into theMonth
    put item 1 of startDate into theYear
    put getMaxDays(theMonth, theYear) into maxDay
    if theDay > maxDay then
        put maxDay into theDay
    end if
    put theDay into item 3 of startDate
    --convert startDate from dateItems to <favorite date format>
    return startDate
end date_AddMonth

function getMaxDays theMonth, theYear
    put "1,January,3,March,5,May,7,July,8,August,10,October,12,December"
into Months31
    put "4,April,6,June,9,September,11,November" into Months30
    if theMonth is among the items of Months31 then
        put 31 into HowManyDays
    else if theMonth is among the items of Months30 then
        put 30 into HowManyDays
    else --February
        if (theYear mod 400 = 0) or (theYear mod 100 <> 0) and (theYear mod
4 = 0) then
            put 29 into HowManyDays -- leap year
        else
            put 28 into HowManyDays
        end if
    end if
    return HowManyDays
end getMaxDays


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun May 13 13:36:30 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 10:36:30 -0700
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
Message-ID: <46474C9E.1040402@fourthworld.com>

Roger.E.Eller wrote:
> I still believe it to be an unnecessary constraining factor in a
> developers ability to create dynamic code in their standalones when
> law could be used instead to enforce anti-piracy.

If a fly-by-nighter steals RunRev's work, RunRev could sue the culprit
for everything they had and chances are with someone playing at such a
low level it won't amount to a fraction of the money the company would
have lost.

The most effective enforcement is prevention.

Since the product was born in 1992, the method of preventing this form
of piracy has been scriptLimits.


> Certain application types need this flexibility such as AI. My
> preference would be either the removal of the limitation completely
> or to expand it to 25 lines (or more). It would still be limiting
> enough to prevent mischievous persons from stealing RRs business,
> yet broad enough that most developers could accomplish their
> goals when longer dynamic scripts are really needed.

Personally, I'd like to see it go much further and make the entire 
engine fully open source with no limits of any kind.

But then again I don't follow Eric Raymond's economic theories, and 
certainly don't begrudge the folks at RunRev a chance to get some ROI 
and earn a living.

So in the meantime, let's take a look at this:

Can you describe the algorithms that need self-modifying code, and how 
those are handled in compiled languages like C?

What's happening in those 15 extra lines that makes the difference in
usefulness?

I'll bet some of the folks here can find a solution that's at least 
workable, possibly even more efficient and easier to maintain than the 
caveats and migraines traditionally associated with self-modifying code. 
   ;)

If we find that yours is the unique circumstance where there really
isn't any way to take advantage of classic compiled algorithms, perhaps
you could take Kevin up on his offer and see what can be worked out for 
your app.

But I'd be interested in seeing folks chew on this first, if only 
because I love a good problem-solving session and almost always learn a 
lot from it.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun May 13 13:38:07 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:38:07 -0500
Subject: A challenge: adding months to a date?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070513123807026145.a9795f3d@sonsothunder.com>

On Sun, 13 May 2007 16:19:14 +0100, David Bovill wrote:

> I thought this worked fine, but if the startdate is lets say January 31 -
> well adding a month basically goes to Feb 31st which converts to March... so
> you need to do something else.... but what???

What would help would be what you expect to get as a result. Should the 
above conversion return the last day in February? So on a non-leap-year 
anything with a startdate of January 29, 30, or 31 should return 
February 28 when you add a month? Please clarify...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 13 14:06:52 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:06:52 +0100
Subject: A challenge: adding months to a date?
In-Reply-To: <20070513123807026145.a9795f3d@sonsothunder.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070513123807026145.a9795f3d@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705131106r7ca7203dg726502d9b7ec092c@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry I thought it would be clear from the Use Case - basically I am not
interested in the days just the month number. The following function would
be more accurate:

on date_AddMonth monthsToAdd, startDate, @endMonth, @endYear
    -- add a whole number of months to a date returning the new dates month
and year
    ....
end date_AddMonth

The aim is simply to add one whole calendar month. The problem is when the
day of the start date is near the end of the month as convert can then take
this over to an extra month.... There seems to be a few quirks with convert
for dateitems - and I am updating to the latest version to see if this fixes
them. In the mean time your direct question looks like solving the problem
:) That is I an use the 1st of the month which will always work and then add
the days needed...

Anyway thats what I will try - the unit test has been modified to work
without Galaxy:

on mouseUp
    put "2002,1,31,1,0,0,5" into startDate
    put 1 into lastMonth
    put lastMonth into endMonths
    repeat with statementNumber = 1 to 14
        set the cursor to busy
        date_AddMonth statementNumber, startDate, endMonth, endYear
        put space & endMonth after endMonths

        if statementNumber mod 12 is not (endMonth - 1) then
            put merge("Failed adding [[statementNumber]] to
[[abbeyStartDate]]. Resulted in [[someMonth]]")
        end if
    end repeat

    put endMonths
end mouseUp

Should print out:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3

On 13/05/07, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:


What would help would be what you expect to get as a result. Should the
> above conversion return the last day in February? So on a non-leap-year
> anything with a startdate of January 29, 30, or 31 should return
> February 28 when you add a month? Please clarify...


The Unit Test should print out:

2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1

as it ads 1 month to January 1, 2002


From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 13 14:18:25 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:18:25 +0100
Subject: A challenge: adding months to a date?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705131106r7ca7203dg726502d9b7ec092c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070513123807026145.a9795f3d@sonsothunder.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131106r7ca7203dg726502d9b7ec092c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705131118t4e457273pd760485e45a7c0fa@mail.gmail.com>

This command passes the test:

on date_AddMonth monthsToAdd, startDate, @endMonth, @endYear
    /*
    Problem is if new month has less days in it than the original start date
days
    then just adding a month will add 2 months on conversion as the overlap
pushes it over the month

    -- can add extra month if next months max days are shorter
    -- not a bug a feature? Or could trucate day to last of month?
    */

    convert startDate to dateItems
    put startDate into someDate

    put item 3 of someDate into oDay

    put 1 into item 3 of someDate
    put 2 into item 4 of someDate    # seems to be required !!!
    add monthsToAdd to item 2 of someDate
    convert someDate to dateItems

    put item 1 of someDate into endYear
    put item 2 of someDate into endMonth

    put oDay into item 3 of someDate
    convert someDate to internet date
    return someDate
end date_AddMonth


on mouseUp
    put "2002,1,31,1,0,0,5" into startDate
    put 1 into lastMonth
    put lastMonth into endMonths
    repeat with statementNumber = 1 to 14
        set the cursor to busy
        date_AddMonth statementNumber, startDate, endMonth, endYear
        put space & endMonth after endMonths

        if statementNumber mod 12 is not (endMonth - 1) then
            put merge("Failed adding [[statementNumber]] to
[[abbeyStartDate]]. Resulted in [[someMonth]]")
        end if
    end repeat

    put endMonths
end mouseUp

And prints out:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3



Does this work on other platforms? Note I had to  inset 2 into item 4 of the
dateItems to get it to work (the hours) which has never made any sense to me
- but is Revs version of midnight :) It would be nice to test it on other
versions and platforms as the convert to dateitems does seem a little
flakier than I thought?


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sun May 13 14:36:10 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 14:36:10 -0400
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <46474C9E.1040402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <OF6D6ADE9E.B09490F5-ON852572DA.0063631A-852572DA.00652B74@sealedair.com>

>Roger.E.Eller wrote:
>> Certain application types need this flexibility such as AI. My
>> preference would be either the removal of the limitation completely
>> or to expand it to 25 lines (or more). It would still be limiting
>> enough to prevent mischievous persons from stealing RRs business,
>> yet broad enough that most developers could accomplish their
>> goals when longer dynamic scripts are really needed.

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Can you describe the algorithms that need self-modifying code, and how
> those are handled in compiled languages like C?
>
> What's happening in those 15 extra lines that makes the difference in
> usefulness?

I don't do C, and have no idea where to begin with compiled languages. My
background is in HC, followed by VMS DCL scripts (fully self-modifyable),
and then Revolution. I must admit that moving to Rev made me feel "at home"
again with scripting. I can remember making a 3000 line handler in VMS-DCL
that was constantly rewriting itself based on a multitude of system events
that it was monitoring. I actually named my script "demon seed" based on
the old sci-fi thriller where the computer became self-aware and figured
out how to create a life-form for its consciousness. Yeah, I think I'll
need at least 25 lines for that. ;D

> I'll bet some of the folks here can find a solution that's at least
> workable, possibly even more efficient and easier to maintain than the
> caveats and migraines traditionally associated with self-modifying code.
>   ;)

I wish I had an example to put out there for the list to dissect. I too
enjoy watching the code change as it is molded into better form by the pros
on this list. The last time I created self-modifying scripts in Rev, I
stayed within the 10 line limit without a problem. The disadvantage I found
was that returning to the code a few years later, it was difficult to
follow what was happening. I have to be in that "zone of consciousness"
where you are so focussed that you ARE the machine. Writing the code just
flows, and it all just seems so clear. I've been known to forget to eat
while in the zone. Then you go to a few meetings and the flow stops and it
seems impossible to regain the zone. I'm sure you all have been there. I
love the zone.

>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 13 14:26:15 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:26:15 +0100
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <46474C9E.1040402@fourthworld.com>
References: <46474C9E.1040402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705131126w474b7e89g7a430ca3dd45026e@mail.gmail.com>

There are two examples which are not reated to self modyfyin code really:

  1) Spread sheet type applications where the user can do simple stuff but
extend the manipulations to any level using an embedded scripting language
that is as easy to understand and write ans Transcript

 2) Component frameworks in which high end components can be created by
developers and then customised with a built in scripting language, or even

 3) Components created within a free environment and made available to be
used in the commercial IDE, which has extended workflow tool sets over and
above the pure language..

On 13/05/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
> Roger.E.Eller wrote:
> > I still believe it to be an unnecessary constraining factor in a
> > developers ability to create dynamic code in their standalones when
> > law could be used instead to enforce anti-piracy.
>
> If a fly-by-nighter steals RunRev's work, RunRev could sue the culprit
> for everything they had and chances are with someone playing at such a
> low level it won't amount to a fraction of the money the company would
> have lost.
>
> The most effective enforcement is prevention.
>
> Since the product was born in 1992, the method of preventing this form
> of piracy has been scriptLimits.
>
>
> > Certain application types need this flexibility such as AI. My
> > preference would be either the removal of the limitation completely
> > or to expand it to 25 lines (or more). It would still be limiting
> > enough to prevent mischievous persons from stealing RRs business,
> > yet broad enough that most developers could accomplish their
> > goals when longer dynamic scripts are really needed.
>
> Personally, I'd like to see it go much further and make the entire
> engine fully open source with no limits of any kind.
>
> But then again I don't follow Eric Raymond's economic theories, and
> certainly don't begrudge the folks at RunRev a chance to get some ROI
> and earn a living.
>
> So in the meantime, let's take a look at this:
>
> Can you describe the algorithms that need self-modifying code, and how
> those are handled in compiled languages like C?
>
> What's happening in those 15 extra lines that makes the difference in
> usefulness?
>
> I'll bet some of the folks here can find a solution that's at least
> workable, possibly even more efficient and easier to maintain than the
> caveats and migraines traditionally associated with self-modifying code.
>    ;)
>
> If we find that yours is the unique circumstance where there really
> isn't any way to take advantage of classic compiled algorithms, perhaps
> you could take Kevin up on his offer and see what can be worked out for
> your app.
>
> But I'd be interested in seeing folks chew on this first, if only
> because I love a good problem-solving session and almost always learn a
> lot from it.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>   ___________________________________________________________
>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Sun May 13 14:55:58 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 19:55:58 +0100
Subject: Major Hang with IVT BlueSoleil 1.6
Message-ID: <000a01c79590$5df931b0$0a01a8c0@workshop>

RunRev hangs PC , cannot even end Program from Task Manager.

Windows XP


Using IVT BlueSoleil 1.6 Driver for USB to Bluetooth Convertor.
USB is Virtual Com Port.

All non RunRev programs work okay with this Driver !


Regards
Camm


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 13 15:04:04 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:04:04 -0700
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <017901c794a8$66d992e0$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <200705120825.06955.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<46457517.9030909@harryscollar.com>
	<017901c794a8$66d992e0$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <7592385473.20070513120404@ahsoftware.net>

Lynn-

Saturday, May 12, 2007, 8:15:39 AM, you wrote:

> No, not exactly - only a transformation in our support for an even larger
> entity. Read the original article in Infoweek here
> http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199501108.

I tend to read things on slashdot with a healthy grain of salt (if I
may be allowed to mix metaphors thusly). Nontheless, "As part of the
plan, SanDisk will phase out its U3 technology" in both the slashdot
and the original informationweek articles seems pretty up-front. As
does "Independent software developers that (sic) have created
U3-compatible applications will be offered help migrating their
products to the new technology".

> Not all that long ago, U3 was acquired by San Disk (San Disk and M-Systems
> both owned 50% each previously; San Disk acquired M-Systems) and our
> partnership with San Disk has blossomed. We havent been able to say anything
> about this, for obvious reasons. It isnt something I can discuss in great
> detail at this point but you shouldn't automatically assume this is going to
> hose the Rev-U3 community - maybe just the opposite :-)

Is there really a "Rev-U3 community"? And whatever happened to the
promised mac compatibility? I can't see a Microsoft partnership
pushing that one forward...

...and in the eating-our-own-dogfood department, even the runrev team
never bothered updating a u3-compatible version. I admit to running
the original u3 IDE for a while, but then it got hopelessly outdated.
I have to conclude that the team decided that creating a new u3 IDE
version a) was too difficult, b) had security or other problems, or c)
wasn't worth bothering with if the platform was going to change
anyway.

I actually have three different u3 devices, none of which work with
Vista. I don't consider that much of a loss, but if I were planning to
deploy an app to a u3 platform that would probably kill my market. A
better alternative, as some of the slashdotters have also noted, is
portableapps.com.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From rjb at robelko.com  Sun May 13 15:46:11 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:46:11 +0200
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705131126w474b7e89g7a430ca3dd45026e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46474C9E.1040402@fourthworld.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131126w474b7e89g7a430ca3dd45026e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p062408a6c26d1649b34d@[192.168.1.101]>

>There are two examples which are not reated to self modyfyin code really:
>
>  1) Spread sheet type applications where the user can do simple stuff but
>extend the manipulations to any level using an embedded scripting language
>that is as easy to understand and write ans Transcript
>
>2) Component frameworks in which high end components can be created by
>developers and then customised with a built in scripting language, or even
>
>3) Components created within a free environment and made available to be
>used in the commercial IDE, which has extended workflow tool sets over and
>above the pure language..
>

Another example: scientific applications where users can enter their 
own functions for analyzing, processing, or displaying some data.

I can sympathize with Roger and others who got their wings cut by 
scriptLimits. I used to write programs in HC that relied on unlimited 
"do" scripting and dynamically created handlers for buttons, but had 
to give that up once I fully moved to MC/Rev. Yes, I lost some 
business opportunities as the result. But can't blame RR too much. 
Relying on purely legal protection is rubbish in this business.

Actually, at some point in the past, RR offered custom licensing on 
one-by-one basis for those who need to go above scriptLimits, but I 
never succeeded in getting any specifics from RR. Theoretically, that 
could work if RR had an option to produce custom engine versions but 
I suspect the benefits to a few users are too small to justify the 
effort. As things are, there are a few "standard" engines that keep 
missing their releases.

Actually, the products and prices changed a lot over time. Some of 
the dynamic programs could be sold as a package with RevMedia, thus 
letting users work in IDE without having to worry about scripLimits.

Robert



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun May 13 16:03:18 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 13:03:18 -0700
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
Message-ID: <46476F06.3030601@fourthworld.com>

Robert Brenstein wrote:
> Another example: scientific applications where users can enter their 
> own functions for analyzing, processing, or displaying some data.

Given how few scientists also have Rev experience, is it necessary that 
the functions be written in Transcript?

What sorts of functions would be needed?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From rjb at robelko.com  Sun May 13 15:50:20 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:50:20 +0200
Subject: A challenge: adding months to a date?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705131106r7ca7203dg726502d9b7ec092c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070513123807026145.a9795f3d@sonsothunder.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131106r7ca7203dg726502d9b7ec092c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p062408a8c26d1c3716ec@[192.168.1.101]>

>Sorry I thought it would be clear from the Use Case - basically I am not
>interested in the days just the month number. T

If so, why not replace the day with something like 15 or even 1 while 
upping the month?


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun May 13 16:11:51 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 15:11:51 -0500
Subject: A challenge: adding months to a date?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705131118t4e457273pd760485e45a7c0fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070513123807026145.a9795f3d@sonsothunder.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131106r7ca7203dg726502d9b7ec092c@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131118t4e457273pd760485e45a7c0fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070513151151926753.20da68e0@sonsothunder.com>

On Sun, 13 May 2007 19:18:25 +0100, David Bovill wrote:

> This command passes the test:
> 
> on date_AddMonth monthsToAdd, startDate, @endMonth, @endYear
>    /*
>    Problem is if new month has less days in it than the original start date
> days
>    then just adding a month will add 2 months on conversion as the overlap
> pushes it over the month
> 
>    -- can add extra month if next months max days are shorter
>    -- not a bug a feature? Or could trucate day to last of month?
>    */
> 
>    convert startDate to dateItems
>    put startDate into someDate
> 
>    put item 3 of someDate into oDay
> 
>    put 1 into item 3 of someDate
>    put 2 into item 4 of someDate    # seems to be required !!!
>    add monthsToAdd to item 2 of someDate
>    convert someDate to dateItems
> 
>    put item 1 of someDate into endYear
>    put item 2 of someDate into endMonth
> 
>    put oDay into item 3 of someDate
>    convert someDate to internet date
>    return someDate
> end date_AddMonth

How about this:

on date_AddMonth monthsToAdd, startDate, @endMonth, @endYear
  put item 1 of startDate into tYear
  put item 2 of startDate into tMonth
  put (monthsToAdd+tMonth) mod 12 into endMonth
  if endMonth = 0 then put 12 into endMonth
  put ((monthsToAdd+tMonth) div 12) + tYear into endYear
end date_AddMonth


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun May 13 16:14:36 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 15:14:36 -0500
Subject: Major Hang with IVT BlueSoleil 1.6
In-Reply-To: <000a01c79590$5df931b0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
References: <000a01c79590$5df931b0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <20070513151436585972.dab3b272@sonsothunder.com>

On Sun, 13 May 2007 19:55:58 +0100, Camm29 wrote:

> RunRev hangs PC , cannot even end Program from Task Manager.
> 
> Windows XP
> 
> 
> Using IVT BlueSoleil 1.6 Driver for USB to Bluetooth Convertor.
> USB is Virtual Com Port.
> 
> All non RunRev programs work okay with this Driver !

What code is it executing when it hangs?


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From Camm29 at tesco.net  Sun May 13 16:28:13 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:28:13 +0100
Subject: Major Hang with IVT BlueSoleil 1.6
References: <000a01c79590$5df931b0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<20070513151436585972.dab3b272@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <000401c7959d$45e09a20$0132a8c0@workshop>

Basic setup for RS232 Communications ,

Set Baud Rate
Open Com Port
Read from Com Port
Write to Com Port

Run Rev Hangs as soon as Com Port is opened !

Regards
Camm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Major Hang with IVT BlueSoleil 1.6


> On Sun, 13 May 2007 19:55:58 +0100, Camm29 wrote:
>
> > RunRev hangs PC , cannot even end Program from Task Manager.
> >
> > Windows XP
> >
> >
> > Using IVT BlueSoleil 1.6 Driver for USB to Bluetooth Convertor.
> > USB is Virtual Com Port.
> >
> > All non RunRev programs work okay with this Driver !
>
> What code is it executing when it hangs?
>
>
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From calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ  Sun May 13 16:34:59 2007
From: calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ (Cal Horner)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:34:59 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time)
Subject: Accessing gRev values
Message-ID: <46477673.000003.02868@CALSBIGPC>

Sometimes it is the simple things that are overlooked. 

Thanks Phil. That works very nicely.

Cal

From rjb at robelko.com  Sun May 13 16:57:38 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 22:57:38 +0200
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <46476F06.3030601@fourthworld.com>
References: <46476F06.3030601@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p062408aac26d29e94cdc@[192.168.1.101]>

>Robert Brenstein wrote:
>>Another example: scientific applications where users can enter 
>>their own functions for analyzing, processing, or displaying some 
>>data.
>
>Given how few scientists also have Rev experience, is it necessary 
>that the functions be written in Transcript?
>
>What sorts of functions would be needed?
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation

I meant an application, written as Rev app, that handles some 
scientific data and allows users to enter functions which my program 
uses to process data. Those functions (functions in mathematical not 
Transcript sense) could be a few lines of code or a few hundred, 
including subroutines. When programming such an app in traditional 
language, I'd include own parser, but doing so in Transcript would 
have been counterproductive. Anyway, this is a history for me. The 
specific app I had opportunity to market would have dealt with 
biochemical data (from experiments).


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sun May 13 20:36:03 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 17:36:03 -0700
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <7592385473.20070513120404@ahsoftware.net>
References: <200705120825.06955.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk><46457517.9030909@harryscollar.com><017901c794a8$66d992e0$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
	<7592385473.20070513120404@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <00e701c795bf$dab362f0$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

> I actually have three different u3 devices, none of which 
> work with Vista. I don't consider that much of a loss, but if 
> I were planning to deploy an app to a u3 platform that would 
> probably kill my market. A better alternative, as some of the 
> slashdotters have also noted, is portableapps.com.

Theres just loads I cant talk about in regards to U3/MS. Runtime engineering
has been totally wrapped up in making 2.8.1 a solid release and a U3 update
didn't make it into the cut. That's not to say it isnt coming.

What is your experience with portableapps?

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com
 



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun May 13 22:16:42 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:16:42 +1000
Subject: Funny characters in email addresses
Message-ID: <f99b52860705131916m4bf1c4b3k36c4507e8c4d7b13@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I have an email client written in Rev that has started having problems
sending to a particular address. The address includes an apostrophe
(which I would have thought was not allowed). It works when sending
from Apple Mail, but when I send from Rev, the email bounces back with
SMTP error 553 which is "Requested action not taken: mailbox name not
allowed". Checking the raw source of an email sent from this address,
in the envelope-sender, the apostrophe has been replaced by a question
mark, but really I have no idea.

Does anyone know what I should do? I could URLencode the address
(although this also encodes the @), or I could replace the apostrophe
with something else, but I don't know what.

TIA,
Sarah


From jeff at siphonophore.com  Mon May 14 00:06:54 2007
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:06:54 -0400
Subject: classic mac apps in 2.8
In-Reply-To: <20070510143003.DFA0F489255@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070510143003.DFA0F489255@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <FD74F6D7-8E55-4E3D-923C-EA8643AB1B23@siphonophore.com>

Hi all,

Does anyone know what the current path is for creating a classic mac  
app from rev2.8?

should i just keep the rev stack as a 2.6x stack to create the  
classic app then just open the stack in 2.8 to create the windows and  
osx versions?

thanks

jeff reynolds



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon May 14 01:19:08 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 22:19:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <4646DE61.6030402@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705132207210.12417-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hi Richard,

Because I'm at a satellite campus instead of the main campus, especially
that part of the main campus which is composed of computer labs operated
by my department.

So, U3 drives so that I can have students d/o demo's/shareware software
not officially honkey-dorey by our IT folks (which is basically
everything that is NOT MS Office...).

Am I mistaken?  Isn't that THE BIG THING about the U3 drives?  That you
can run apps off them?

Here's the slightly longer story:  I'm now teaching the "Computer  Impact
on Society" course which is general ed every semester.  Just recently,
when looking for one of the early articles written by Richard Decker (of
Analytical Engine fame) on why he thought HT was a good CS0/CS1 language,
I found another one in which he was ruminating about CS0/CS1 in general,
and, in particular made a comment something to the effect that courses
such as "computer imapct" ones ... 'are limited to the extent to which the
content is divorced from an understanding of the technology being
referenced.'

And, of course, I find this to be a keen observation.  As much as Trevor
or one of the other kind folks might well tell you what a complete DB
weenie I am, still, I have some vague concept of what one is, even if I
can't quite figure out how to handle the server side versus client side
aspects of how I'd like to see one done.

I'm not digressing too much.  By way of an example, I find that my
students have all sorts of strongly-voiced sentiments about how they don't
mind privacy rights violations/intrusions associated with large
governmental databases, purchasing data mined by private entities which is
illegal for the government to collect itself directly, the merging of
large databases, etc. etc. ... BUT... when asked if they know what a
database it/how it works/its characteristics... I see maybe 1 or 2 hands
go up, and at least 1 of those only  knows how to hit the "print" button
in FileMaker Pro to print a pre-defined report.

Hence, I'd like for them to be able to d/l the FileMaker demo and put
together a simple database or two.


Und so weiter...  ;-)

Judy


 On Sun, 13 May 2007, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Just curious:  Why specifically U3 drives rather than the superset of
> all available thumb drives?



From chipp at chipp.com  Mon May 14 02:45:52 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 01:45:52 -0500
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <00e701c795bf$dab362f0$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <200705120825.06955.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<46457517.9030909@harryscollar.com>
	<017901c794a8$66d992e0$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
	<7592385473.20070513120404@ahsoftware.net>
	<00e701c795bf$dab362f0$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705132345g8699f4bnf90f640669553e6e@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/13/07, Lynn Fredricks <lfredricks at proactive-intl.com> wrote:

> What is your experience with portableapps?



While I know that question wasn't directed at me, I thought I'd chime in
with an answer. I actually found the U3 spec, device and organization
difficult to work with. I started a dialog with them which never finished,
even after repeated requests to them.

As Richard says, Rev is already out of the box more capable than most in
creating portable apps. In fact, all my apps I release for clients and
Altuit are now 'portablized.' This means they can run and update themselves
including self-healing, all from a standard USB drive.

There are a number of difficulties with standard apps trying to become
'portable.'

1) They may have frequent disk access which can wear on a USB drive. Rev
doesn't typically have this problem as it is RAM based.

2) They require sophisticated installs including registry edits and special
files placed in special folders all over the place (Program Files, My
Documents, App folder, etc.). While Rev can access these file & folder
locations, it's not necessary for Rev to work. Rev has full support for
registry entry and removal.

3) They may require specific "Dynamic Linked Libraries" (DLLs) to run. This
is the case for VB, .NET, Flash and other RAD tools, but not necessary for
Rev.

The job over at portableapps.com is to remove many of these dependencies.
It's really not necessary to do so with Rev-- just a bit of smart thinking
up front.

best,
Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon May 14 03:07:25 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 02:07:25 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Altuit VueTools available...
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705140007m6114ae36j1a21dde89f398f8@mail.gmail.com>

While this isn't something you all will rush to purchase, I thought I'd post
an announcement of it here.

Altuit VueTools are a set of Python scripts and programs which are used to
model 3D objects using e-on software's Vue6-Infinite 3D application. Rev is
used in this product to create the 'VueTools Manager' which is the
self-updating installer and plugin manager for VueTools. A nice example of
Rev and Python working together.

(btw...Python using wxPython as a GUI wrapper is MOST difficult for this
longtime Xtalker).

-Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon May 14 03:08:11 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 02:08:11 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Altuit VueTools available...
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705140007m6114ae36j1a21dde89f398f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210705140007m6114ae36j1a21dde89f398f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705140008y6d0fd735g383dbbf545fadc20@mail.gmail.com>

OOPS forgot to mention the URL:
www.vuetoolbar.com

On 5/14/07, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>
> While this isn't something you all will rush to purchase, I thought I'd
> post an announcement of it here.
>
> Altuit VueTools are a set of Python scripts and programs which are used to
> model 3D objects using e-on software's Vue6-Infinite 3D application. Rev is
> used in this product to create the 'VueTools Manager' which is the
> self-updating installer and plugin manager for VueTools. A nice example of
> Rev and Python working together.
>
> (btw...Python using wxPython as a GUI wrapper is MOST difficult for this
> longtime Xtalker).
>
> -Chipp
>


From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Mon May 14 03:08:05 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:08:05 +0200
Subject: Strange crash in 2.8
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705132207210.12417-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <OFFF89DE91.073D9AE9-ONC12572DB.002629CE-C12572DB.0027317D@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi all,

I have an extremely weird crash situation.

I created a stack that is ultra simple (just a stack script supposed to 
run at launch after the stack is compiled for windows.).

If i compile the stack, the IDE crashes and the stack is no longuer 
openeable. If i open it the IDE just crashes.

There is no eventvwr msg, no crash log, no nothing to tell me why it does 
this...

I tried both 2.8 gm3 and gm4 and they all do the same thing... 

If I create a virgin stack, it compiles and doesn't crash. But if i 
reinject the script, wabam!

If i try to do the same in Metacard, it works flawlessly...

I reinstalled runrev and same thing...

Heather suggested i use 2.8.1 - which i only see available via the update 
menu in the help menu (any other download links i haven't seen???). 
But when i try this it says my license has expired! (It's only 3 months 
old...)

Any help would be really appreciated. 

Regards,
Xavier 


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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon May 14 03:32:20 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:32:20 +0200
Subject: Funny characters in email addresses
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705131916m4bf1c4b3k36c4507e8c4d7b13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860705131916m4bf1c4b3k36c4507e8c4d7b13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FEC73EDC-89E2-4464-BAD1-B07E426EBF70@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Sarah,

Is it possible that the address with the apostrophe is in unicode?

Best,

Mark

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Op 14-mei-2007, om 4:16 heeft Sarah Reichelt het volgende geschreven:

> Hi All,
>
> I have an email client written in Rev that has started having problems
> sending to a particular address. The address includes an apostrophe
> (which I would have thought was not allowed). It works when sending
> from Apple Mail, but when I send from Rev, the email bounces back with
> SMTP error 553 which is "Requested action not taken: mailbox name not
> allowed". Checking the raw source of an email sent from this address,
> in the envelope-sender, the apostrophe has been replaced by a question
> mark, but really I have no idea.
>
> Does anyone know what I should do? I could URLencode the address
> (although this also encodes the @), or I could replace the apostrophe
> with something else, but I don't know what.
>
> TIA,
> Sarah




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon May 14 03:35:32 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:35:32 +0200
Subject: classic mac apps in 2.8
In-Reply-To: <FD74F6D7-8E55-4E3D-923C-EA8643AB1B23@siphonophore.com>
References: <20070510143003.DFA0F489255@mail.runrev.com>
	<FD74F6D7-8E55-4E3D-923C-EA8643AB1B23@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <BD2F849F-93F3-45AE-A40B-41FE6948264E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jeff,

You can develop the stack in Rev 2.8 and save it in 2.4 levacy format  
before opening it in Rev 2.6. You might have to make adjustments in  
Rev 2.6, because some newer features are not available in older  
versions.

Best,

Mark

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Op 14-mei-2007, om 6:06 heeft Jeff Reynolds het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know what the current path is for creating a classic  
> mac app from rev2.8?
>
> should i just keep the rev stack as a 2.6x stack to create the  
> classic app then just open the stack in 2.8 to create the windows  
> and osx versions?
>
> thanks
>
> jeff reynolds



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon May 14 04:10:05 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 01:10:05 -0700
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705132207210.12417-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705132207210.12417-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <77139545896.20070514011005@ahsoftware.net>

Judy-

Sunday, May 13, 2007, 10:19:08 PM, you wrote:

> Hence, I'd like for them to be able to d/l the FileMaker demo and put
> together a simple database or two.

I'm not aware of a u3 build of Filemaker. Maybe I've missed an
announcement. But if not, then u3 ain't gonna help you and will just
take up valuable space on the flash drive with all the u3 junk. And do
keep in mind that it's Windows only.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon May 14 05:24:51 2007
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 05:24:51 -0400
Subject: Strange crash in 2.8
Message-ID: <13FF3B8C-B1CD-42F8-83B2-624DFAF0645C@wehostmacs.com>

2.8.1 is still in testing and use a different serial number, ask Bill  
nicely and he could probably give you one :-)


From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Mon May 14 05:29:48 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:29:48 +0200
Subject: Strange crash in 2.8
In-Reply-To: <13FF3B8C-B1CD-42F8-83B2-624DFAF0645C@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <OFB7B00344.C26CEFD8-ONC12572DB.003401EF-C12572DB.00342AA9@deutsche-boerse.com>

That explains that problem ;)

Thanks Sean!

Thanks also to Mark W. for his help with Rev crashing - it was quiting 
correctly due to a quit command after the openstack script finished - 
another problem between the keyboard and the chair =!)

Regards,
Xav

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 14/05/2007 11:24:51:

> 2.8.1 is still in testing and use a different serial number, ask Bill 
> nicely and he could probably give you one :-)
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From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Mon May 14 05:30:18 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:30:18 +0100
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
Message-ID: <26CEC832-4312-46E4-A8E3-B60F33DB0CAE@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

The 2.7.5 Community Beta was launched with much fanfare.  Runrev was  
going to be doing things in a new way.

> We worked with Bill to immediately reinvigorate expectations on  
> quality:
>
> * Respond meaningfully to community concerns through official  
> Revolution venues like the Revolution Forums
> * Get fresh eyes looking at the product to truly ?shake the tree?  
> and enable you to ship robust solutions based on 2.7.5
> * Get more users familiar with, and confident about BugZilla, the  
> community based feedback tool for reporting issues
> * Assist in developing a more meaningful, community-based beta process
>
> Revolution 2.7.5 - Free Update to 2.7.x Licensees
>
> The focus on Revolution 2.7.5 is on core issues such as setup and  
> install, crashing, IDE behavior, and stress testing. The new  
> version will also finally bring the newest Revolution to the Linux  
> platform.
>
> [..,]
>
> The most exciting news of all: Revolution 2.7.5 will be a free  
> update. If you had an active Revolution maintenance plan as of  
> February 1, 2006, or if you purchased any version of Revolution  
> 2.7, you will receive Revolution 2.7.5 at no charge.

[http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/newsletter1.php]

Well, first of all, we are all currently testing the 2.8.1 release.   
Fair enough - the numbering changed.  There's no Linux in this  
release.  If the timescale of the 2.7.5 beta process is anything to  
go by, maybe we are going to have to wait another 6 months to get the  
Linux version promised for the 2.7.x lifetime.

Secondly, it is not at all clear to me that the next release is going  
to be free (as promised in the the above newsletter).   I find it  
hard to believe that both 2.8.1 and 2.9 are going to be free.    
Originally 2.7.5 was going to be free - now it is not clear if it is  
2.8.1 or 2.9 that will be free, or maybe its both.   If it is not  
both, then I can see disappointment from those who thought they would  
get free versions, and if it is both, I can also see annoyance from  
those people who have continued to needlessly update their  
'maintenance plan'.  Either way this looks like its going to be bad  
PR for Runrev.

Thirdly, in my experience Runrev's responsiveness with regard to bug- 
reporting for this Beta is poor.  I tested the last three betas and  
there is an 18-month-old bug on OS X [http://quality.runrev.com/ 
qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3196].  I tried to draw as much attention as  
I could to this bug: I wrote to this list, Bill Marriott, the  
Community Beta forum, and even added a detailed comment to Bugzilla.   
But after several weeks, not a single reply from anyone connected  
with Runrev.

I'm assuming that I'm alone in my disappointment with this Community  
Beta.  This bug was a prime candidate to be fixed.  Instead, the beta  
has seemed to move its principal focus to the incorporation of the ex- 
Altuit products instead.  The shiny-new Community Beta process  
enjoins us to look for bugs, learn to use bugzilla and the Beta forum  
to report them, and then just ignores us.   Runrev really knows how  
to 'respond meaningfully' (the first bullet point in the list above).

Clearly this Community Beta has lost its way.  I should just get used  
to the fact that Runrev are constantly setting users up to be  
disappointed.  After waiting these past 6  months to see this bug be  
fixed, I've now absolutely no confidence that it is ever going to be  
fixed, without even any explanation from Runrev as to why its being  
ignored.   The ability for Rev to interact with other programs is one  
of my principal reasons for using Revolution, and if it only works on  
Windows and Linux then I might as well start looking at other tools  
and write-off my investment in Revolution.

Bernard



From heather at runrev.com  Mon May 14 06:11:04 2007
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:11:04 +0100
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
In-Reply-To: <26CEC832-4312-46E4-A8E3-B60F33DB0CAE@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
References: <26CEC832-4312-46E4-A8E3-B60F33DB0CAE@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <3994D9E0-E3F9-4872-8743-FF0E01C4E947@runrev.com>

Dear Bernard,

I'm sorry you are experiencing frustration.

We are fully committed to the path outlined for the 2.7.5/2.8.1/2.9  
release series.

I've looked at the bug you are referring to, and see that it has been  
seen and confirmed by Marcus. Evidently it could not be fixed for  
2.8.1, there is every likelihood it will be fixed for 2.9.

I'm puzzled that you say you have emailed Bill and not received a  
reply. In my experience Bill is extremely punctilious about  
responding to email, and my first reaction would be to ask whether  
there could be an email issue, maybe somebody's email is getting  
stuck somewhere?

Lets take this offlist while we try to determine what is going on  
with that - email me in support at runrev.com.

Regards,

Heather


On 14 May 2007, at 10:30, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> The 2.7.5 Community Beta was launched with much fanfare.  Runrev  
> was going to be doing things in a new way.
>
>> We worked with Bill to immediately reinvigorate expectations on  
>> quality:
>>
>> * Respond meaningfully to community concerns through official  
>> Revolution venues like the Revolution Forums
>> * Get fresh eyes looking at the product to truly ?shake the tree?  
>> and enable you to ship robust solutions based on 2.7.5
>> * Get more users familiar with, and confident about BugZilla, the  
>> community based feedback tool for reporting issues
>> * Assist in developing a more meaningful, community-based beta  
>> process
>>
>> Revolution 2.7.5 - Free Update to 2.7.x Licensees
>>
>> The focus on Revolution 2.7.5 is on core issues such as setup and  
>> install, crashing, IDE behavior, and stress testing. The new  
>> version will also finally bring the newest Revolution to the Linux  
>> platform.
>>
>> [..,]
>>
>> The most exciting news of all: Revolution 2.7.5 will be a free  
>> update. If you had an active Revolution maintenance plan as of  
>> February 1, 2006, or if you purchased any version of Revolution  
>> 2.7, you will receive Revolution 2.7.5 at no charge.
>
> [http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/newsletter1.php]
>
> Well, first of all, we are all currently testing the 2.8.1  
> release.  Fair enough - the numbering changed.  There's no Linux in  
> this release.  If the timescale of the 2.7.5 beta process is  
> anything to go by, maybe we are going to have to wait another 6  
> months to get the Linux version promised for the 2.7.x lifetime.
>
> Secondly, it is not at all clear to me that the next release is  
> going to be free (as promised in the the above newsletter).   I  
> find it hard to believe that both 2.8.1 and 2.9 are going to be  
> free.   Originally 2.7.5 was going to be free - now it is not clear  
> if it is 2.8.1 or 2.9 that will be free, or maybe its both.   If it  
> is not both, then I can see disappointment from those who thought  
> they would get free versions, and if it is both, I can also see  
> annoyance from those people who have continued to needlessly update  
> their 'maintenance plan'.  Either way this looks like its going to  
> be bad PR for Runrev.
>
> Thirdly, in my experience Runrev's responsiveness with regard to  
> bug-reporting for this Beta is poor.  I tested the last three betas  
> and there is an 18-month-old bug on OS X [http://quality.runrev.com/ 
> qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3196].  I tried to draw as much attention  
> as I could to this bug: I wrote to this list, Bill Marriott, the  
> Community Beta forum, and even added a detailed comment to  
> Bugzilla.  But after several weeks, not a single reply from anyone  
> connected with Runrev.
>
> I'm assuming that I'm alone in my disappointment with this  
> Community Beta.  This bug was a prime candidate to be fixed.   
> Instead, the beta has seemed to move its principal focus to the  
> incorporation of the ex-Altuit products instead.  The shiny-new  
> Community Beta process enjoins us to look for bugs, learn to use  
> bugzilla and the Beta forum to report them, and then just ignores  
> us.   Runrev really knows how to 'respond meaningfully' (the first  
> bullet point in the list above).
>
> Clearly this Community Beta has lost its way.  I should just get  
> used to the fact that Runrev are constantly setting users up to be  
> disappointed.  After waiting these past 6  months to see this bug  
> be fixed, I've now absolutely no confidence that it is ever going  
> to be fixed, without even any explanation from Runrev as to why its  
> being ignored.   The ability for Rev to interact with other  
> programs is one of my principal reasons for using Revolution, and  
> if it only works on Windows and Linux then I might as well start  
> looking at other tools and write-off my investment in Revolution.
>
> Bernard
>
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From livfoss at mac.com  Mon May 14 06:19:46 2007
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:19:46 +0200
Subject: ANN] Revolution StandardLib 1.0b1 Posted
Message-ID: <AA288A5F-DC51-447C-8799-FB74BD281D6E@mac.com>

Just to say at this stage that I find this whole effort most welcome.  
Of course, despite Ken's caveats, we must all be itching to suggest  
additions to the library (file handling, tables and printing would be  
on my list). I can see that the group has to think very carefully  
about which direction to go in: in fact it probably already has a  
policy about being generally useful and not esoteric as Ken says. One  
issue is whether to allow code that makes up for perceived  
deficiencies in Rev's functionality or implementation (to me, the  
table object is the obvious example here). Where would the best place  
be to discuss this kind of thing?

Anyway, renewed congratulation on the announcement.

Graham

On Thu, 10 May 2007 16:31:26 -0500, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com>  
wrote:

>
> Hello everyone!
>
> This message is to announce that the RevInterop group
> (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/) have been working  
> on a
> "Standard Library" for Revolution and a beta version of the library is
> now available. This library, called "stdLib.rev" contains a variety of
> useful functions
> and commands that the initial working group felt
> were very useful for anyone programming in Revolution. However the  
> main
> issue is not the actual code, but whether the first pass at the  
> library
> has a good "core" set of handlers and functions for developers to use.
>
> The full list of functions/commands, along with a place for providing
> your feedback is at the following Wiki page on the Sons of Thunder web
> site:
>
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.RevolutionStdLib
>
> If you are interested in reviewing the handlers in this library,  
> please
> go to the Wiki and add your comments. Just a note of caution, though:
> I'm sure many of you will see what you might
> consider "glaring omissions" or are wondering just why certain  
> handlers
> were included. Please keep in mind that (a) this is a first public  
> pass
> at the library, and (b) we don't want to load the library up with a  
> lot
> of useful, although esoteric, handlers. Of course, that is up to this
> group to work through, so please provide whatever feedback you feel is
> appropriate.
>
> The end result of this effort will (hopefully) be a common library of
> handlers that
> both experienced developers and newcomers can start to use in their
> development efforts; it may also help RunRev answer the question about
> why there isn't a standard library for Revolution like there is in  
> other
> languages... :-)
[...]
----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Mon May 14 06:30:45 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:30:45 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
References: <3994D9E0-E3F9-4872-8743-FF0E01C4E947@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <46483A55.000001.01288@MAZYTIS>

Something is wrong with Bills e-mail account (server issue?..). When I tried
resending my feedback (top 5) on beta, I received "mail not delivered" in a
few days again for both mailboxes... All produced same error: 
 
451 Could not complete sender verify callout (in reply to RCPT TO command) 
 
But once I received feedback from programmers at runrev these bugs getting
attention, I think now they are being handled anyway... 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Heather Nagey 
Date: 05/14/07 13:11:02 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way 
 
 
I'm puzzled that you say you have emailed Bill and not received a 
reply. In my experience Bill is extremely punctilious about 
responding to email, and my first reaction would be to ask whether 
there could be an email issue, maybe somebody's email is getting 
stuck somewhere? 
 
 


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Mon May 14 06:48:35 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:48:35 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
References: <46483A55.000001.01288@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <46483E83.000003.01288@MAZYTIS>

Well, 
this explains the problem: 
 
unfortunately, sender address verification cannot simply be turned on for
all email - you are likely to lose legitimate mail from mis-configured
systems. You almost certainly will have to set up white lists for specific
addresses, or even for entire domains. 
 
http://www.postfix.org/ADDRESS_VERIFICATION_README.html 
 
As far as I know spammers also use address_verification to make sure they
are sending spam to existing mailboxes. Therefore some legitimate domains
block these requests to prevent spam... 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras 
 
 
 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Viktoras Didziulis 
Date: 14/05/2007 13:30:41 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way 
 
Something is wrong with Bills e-mail account (server issue?..). When I tried

resending my feedback (top 5) on beta, I received "mail not delivered" in a 
few days again for both mailboxes... All produced same error: 
 
451 Could not complete sender verify callout (in reply to RCPT TO command) 
 
But once I received feedback from programmers at runrev these bugs getting 
attention, I think now they are being handled anyway... 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Heather Nagey 
Date: 05/14/07 13:11:02 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way 
 
 
I'm puzzled that you say you have emailed Bill and not received a 
reply. In my experience Bill is extremely punctilious about 
responding to email, and my first reaction would be to ask whether 
there could be an email issue, maybe somebody's email is getting 
stuck somewhere? 
 
 
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From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Mon May 14 06:59:49 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:59:49 +0100
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
Message-ID: <61E7FEBB-07B0-4657-9642-86ADCA7B8C15@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

Hi Heather,

I emailed Bill (bill.marriott at runrev.com) about this on 28th April,  
specifically in response to him asking for our top 5 outstanding bug  
issues in 2.8.1.  A few days later someone pointed out on the list  
that their email to Bill bounced.  Mine had not bounced, and I was  
not specifically expecting a reply from him (unless of course my  
outstanding issues were not going to be addressed, and I would hope  
that he would have the courtesy in that situation to inform me why).   
However, to make sure that he got my email, I forwarded that email to  
him again on 1st May.  In neither case did I receive any message  
saying my email had bounced, nor did I hear that this bug would not  
be addressed.

As there had been no response from Bill, I posted to the Beta Forum  
(http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php? 
t=733&sid=a27c044d3a76fc1f95dd22bafe1868f5), which is supposedly  
monitored by Bill and by Robin Miller.  But no response from either.

I subsequently added my comments to that bug in Bugzilla, to make  
sure that there was some obvious sign of activity with that bug  
report.  I also wrote to the user list about this outstanding bug  
(29th April), and got several other users to add votes for it, in an  
attempt to get Runrev to pay some attention to it.

On 5th May I had still seen no response from anyone at Runrev.  So I  
asked once again in the Beta forum (http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/ 
viewtopic.php?t=748).  This was the last posting in that beta forum.   
But still no response from anyone at Runrev.  It's quite clear that  
no-one at Runrev is even monitoring the Community Beta forum.

You might well say that 'there is every likelihood' that it will be  
fixed for 2.9', yet there is no explanation as to why this bug was  
not included in 2.8.1 (Marcus accepted it as a 'blocker' level bug  
almost 14 months ago).  Going off the time from 2.7.4-2.8.1, it looks  
like this bug will not be fixed for another 6 months, if ever.

Since I've tried over several weeks to draw attention to this bug via  
4 different routes involving *.runrev.com, with no response until my  
desperate post to the list today, what else am I to conclude but that  
the 'Community Beta' has lost its way?  I've done everything asked of  
me by Runrev in this process, and until today Runrev has chosen to  
ignore me.

It's pathetic that the bug that most affects me is being ignored,  
given the times I've defended Runrev in public when people have  
railed against the bugginess of Revolution.  Instead I receive weekly  
emails from Runrev's 'Quality Manager' asking me to let him know what  
outstanding bugs are issues for me.

Bernard

> Dear Bernard,
>
> I'm sorry you are experiencing frustration.
>
> We are fully committed to the path outlined for the 2.7.5/2.8.1/2.9
> release series.
>
> I've looked at the bug you are referring to, and see that it has been
> seen and confirmed by Marcus. Evidently it could not be fixed for
> 2.8.1, there is every likelihood it will be fixed for 2.9.
>
> I'm puzzled that you say you have emailed Bill and not received a
> reply. In my experience Bill is extremely punctilious about
> responding to email, and my first reaction would be to ask whether
> there could be an email issue, maybe somebody's email is getting
> stuck somewhere?
>
> Lets take this offlist while we try to determine what is going on
> with that - email me in support at runrev.com.
>
> Regards,
>
> Heather


From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Mon May 14 07:12:12 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:12:12 +0100
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
Message-ID: <E2F4EBD9-3832-45FF-A966-7C2422BC1885@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

Apologies to Heather.  I debated with myself about whether or not I  
should respond to her directly or via the list.  I am sure the list  
in general is not particularly interested in my bug issues (although  
if bug 3196 is fixed, it offers lots of potential), but I am also  
fearful that the problems I'm seeing with this Community Beta must be  
shared by others.  Out of a sense of politeness I decided to respond  
to Heather rather than the list, as that is what she requested.  But  
by the time I'd written the reply, and hit 'send' I'd forgotten to  
change the recipient, so it just went back to the list.

Bernard



From supote.songthammawat at gmail.com  Mon May 14 07:32:24 2007
From: supote.songthammawat at gmail.com (supote songthammawat)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:32:24 +0700
Subject: Urgently!!!! How can I use runrev 2.5.1 send or receive Data or
	File by Bluetooth or Pop-port USB from Mobile Phone to my computer?
In-Reply-To: <013D730E-1854-46A3-A871-CFE14A4B9CEC@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <680dfa960705030341t63402185m756a809019942eb5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070503115132422214.32189962@sonsothunder.com>
	<f99b52860705031408w2cab7ceco492ca7fd667cadb3@mail.gmail.com>
	<013D730E-1854-46A3-A871-CFE14A4B9CEC@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <680dfa960705140432m577a2f7ep34afdcdeb44c6ae9@mail.gmail.com>

I can do app on mobile. So data transfer and flow control on mobile is no
problem for me.
Thank you Sarah: I would like to know if it's possible for someone to do an
external to make RunRev (any version) able to use bluetooth/usb to exchange
data with mobile?
The link from Ian is about config MacOSX to exchange data with Lego
Mindstorms NXT.
http://juju.org/articles/2006/10/22/bluetooth-serial-port-to-nxt-in-osx

On 5/4/07, Ian Wood <revlist at azurevision.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> On 3 May 2007, at 22:08, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
> > No sorry. I've only done serial communications using a USB to serial
> > device. I haven't done any actual USB or Bluetooth comms. I don't
> > think either would be possible without an external.
>
> Bluetooth can in theory be accessed via a virtual serial port, but
> you going to get and send raw data. Going from there to uploading/
> downloading actual files is likely to be a bit... 'complex'.
>
> Buried in the following link are instructions for setting up a
> virtual port on OS X:
> <http://juju.org/articles/2006/10/22/bluetooth-serial-port-to-nxt-in-
> osx>
>
> Ian
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From david at openpartnership.net  Mon May 14 07:40:07 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:40:07 +0100
Subject: A challenge: adding months to a date?
In-Reply-To: <20070513151151926753.20da68e0@sonsothunder.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070513123807026145.a9795f3d@sonsothunder.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131106r7ca7203dg726502d9b7ec092c@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131118t4e457273pd760485e45a7c0fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070513151151926753.20da68e0@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705140440q5db9de3by17dd056e2cceda18@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone!

And Ken - you've made my day by making me feel so stupid :) Seriously thanks
for the input. And in the mean time I've learned a lot about the quirks of
"convert" - tip is to ensure the time is 2am....

On 13/05/07, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, 13 May 2007 19:18:25 +0100, David Bovill wrote:
>
> > This command passes the test:
> >
> > on date_AddMonth monthsToAdd, startDate, @endMonth, @endYear
> >    /*
> >    Problem is if new month has less days in it than the original start
> date
> > days
> >    then just adding a month will add 2 months on conversion as the
> overlap
> > pushes it over the month
> >
> >    -- can add extra month if next months max days are shorter
> >    -- not a bug a feature? Or could trucate day to last of month?
> >    */
> >
> >    convert startDate to dateItems
> >    put startDate into someDate
> >
> >    put item 3 of someDate into oDay
> >
> >    put 1 into item 3 of someDate
> >    put 2 into item 4 of someDate    # seems to be required !!!
> >    add monthsToAdd to item 2 of someDate
> >    convert someDate to dateItems
> >
> >    put item 1 of someDate into endYear
> >    put item 2 of someDate into endMonth
> >
> >    put oDay into item 3 of someDate
> >    convert someDate to internet date
> >    return someDate
> > end date_AddMonth
>
> How about this:
>
> on date_AddMonth monthsToAdd, startDate, @endMonth, @endYear
>   put item 1 of startDate into tYear
>   put item 2 of startDate into tMonth
>   put (monthsToAdd+tMonth) mod 12 into endMonth
>   if endMonth = 0 then put 12 into endMonth
>   put ((monthsToAdd+tMonth) div 12) + tYear into endYear
> end date_AddMonth


From wjm at wjm.org  Mon May 14 07:47:16 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:47:16 -0400
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
References: <61E7FEBB-07B0-4657-9642-86ADCA7B8C15@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <f29i80$919$1@sea.gmane.org>

Bernard,

My apologies for not giving you a direct response to your email of two weeks 
ago yet.

In an announcement to beta test members, I requested from the community 
their "top 5" bugs. This resulted in SCORES of responses from a beta 
community of nearly 600 members. For each email sent to me, I had to:

- Read it
- Try to see if the bug was already reported in Bugzilla/RQCC
- If it wasn't, write up a new bug covering that item
- If it was, record the issue both in RQCC and in a separate system I'm 
using to help prioritize what we're working on.

Not all users were kind enough to supply a bug number -- and they didn't 
have to. The point was to provide a channel (if only for one time only) for 
them to get out what was on their mind to someone who would/could do 
something about it -- without having to go through the structure of a bug 
report or using a system they might not like very much.

The "Top 5" process has resulted in more than 300 items submitted and 
ultimately about 134 entries in RQCC being "touched." This has taken 
something more than about 30 hours of work... so far.

I asked people to send me their top 5 bugs, and I did contact many people 
about what they wrote me, but there's no way I invited -- NOR could I 
handle -- a hundred discreet dialogs on the topics. I'll grant you I could 
have supplied an auto-responder, "thanks for your top five bugs" but it was 
actually my intent to provide a thorough status update on the initiative 
within 30 days of asking for the information.

Now, as for the Open Beta losing its way...

You can have your choice of Rev throwing together something, labeling it 
2.7.5 and being done with it... or waiting for 2.9 to be released with some 
serious progress on quality and stability.

You can either have the Altuit technology released now in a reasonably 
integrated form, with the syntax you'll need to use going forward, and some 
spiffed up documentation and sample stacks... or you can wait indefinitely 
while every single open bug in Bugzilla sits ahead of that in priority.

You can either have a retail version of Rev that runs properly on Windows 
Vista, or keep a Vista-compatible version of Rev in beta until a Linux 
version is ready. (No dessert till you finish your dinner?)

I was involved in the decision to rename the "2.7.5" milestone and happen to 
personally agree with the release strategy that was chosen. Version 2.8.0 
replaced 2.7.4 and was a much better product for both current and new users. 
The Vista functionality was absolutely essential to have available to 
everyone. And we are also nearing the 2.8.1 release, which will greatly 
enhance the value of Rev with hundreds of additional fixes and solid 
integration of the Altuit externals, with proper documentation and nice 
sample stacks.

As for 2.9, as covered in subsequent newsletter articles and many previous 
posts to the use-rev list, NOTHING has changed except the version label.

By the way, according to the survey we JUST sent out (the second in a series 
in which we ask for direct feedback), the vast majority of beta testers find 
the communication to be Good or Excellent and urge us to continue on the 
road we're on -- taking our time to make sure quality is addressed carefully 
and thoroughly.

Bill

"Bernard Devlin" 
<revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com> wrote in 
message news:61E7FEBB-07B0-4657-9642-86ADCA7B8C15 at knowledgeworks.plus.com...
> Hi Heather,
>
> I emailed Bill (bill.marriott at runrev.com) 
> about this on 28th April,  specifically in response to him asking for our 
> top 5 outstanding bug  issues in 2.8.1.  A few days later someone pointed 
> out on the list  that their email to Bill bounced.  Mine had not bounced, 
> and I was  not specifically expecting a reply from him (unless of course 
> my  outstanding issues were not going to be addressed, and I would hope 
> that he would have the courtesy in that situation to inform me why). 
> However, to make sure that he got my email, I forwarded that email to  him 
> again on 1st May.  In neither case did I receive any message  saying my 
> email had bounced, nor did I hear that this bug would not  be addressed.
>
> As there had been no response from Bill, I posted to the Beta Forum 
> (http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php? 
> t=733&sid=a27c044d3a76fc1f95dd22bafe1868f5), which is supposedly 
> monitored by Bill and by Robin Miller.  But no response from either.
>
> I subsequently added my comments to that bug in Bugzilla, to make  sure 
> that there was some obvious sign of activity with that bug  report.  I 
> also wrote to the user list about this outstanding bug  (29th April), and 
> got several other users to add votes for it, in an  attempt to get Runrev 
> to pay some attention to it.
>
> On 5th May I had still seen no response from anyone at Runrev.  So I 
> asked once again in the Beta forum (http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/ 
> viewtopic.php?t=748).  This was the last posting in that beta forum.   But 
> still no response from anyone at Runrev.  It's quite clear that  no-one at 
> Runrev is even monitoring the Community Beta forum.
>
> You might well say that 'there is every likelihood' that it will be  fixed 
> for 2.9', yet there is no explanation as to why this bug was  not included 
> in 2.8.1 (Marcus accepted it as a 'blocker' level bug  almost 14 months 
> ago).  Going off the time from 2.7.4-2.8.1, it looks  like this bug will 
> not be fixed for another 6 months, if ever.
>
> Since I've tried over several weeks to draw attention to this bug via  4 
> different routes involving *.runrev.com, with no response until my 
> desperate post to the list today, what else am I to conclude but that  the 
> 'Community Beta' has lost its way?  I've done everything asked of  me by 
> Runrev in this process, and until today Runrev has chosen to  ignore me.
>
> It's pathetic that the bug that most affects me is being ignored,  given 
> the times I've defended Runrev in public when people have  railed against 
> the bugginess of Revolution.  Instead I receive weekly  emails from 
> Runrev's 'Quality Manager' asking me to let him know what  outstanding 
> bugs are issues for me.
>
> Bernard
>
>> Dear Bernard,
>>
>> I'm sorry you are experiencing frustration.
>>
>> We are fully committed to the path outlined for the 2.7.5/2.8.1/2.9
>> release series.
>>
>> I've looked at the bug you are referring to, and see that it has been
>> seen and confirmed by Marcus. Evidently it could not be fixed for
>> 2.8.1, there is every likelihood it will be fixed for 2.9.
>>
>> I'm puzzled that you say you have emailed Bill and not received a
>> reply. In my experience Bill is extremely punctilious about
>> responding to email, and my first reaction would be to ask whether
>> there could be an email issue, maybe somebody's email is getting
>> stuck somewhere?
>>
>> Lets take this offlist while we try to determine what is going on
>> with that - email me in support at runrev.com.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Heather
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From wjm at wjm.org  Mon May 14 07:48:40 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:48:40 -0400
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
References: <E2F4EBD9-3832-45FF-A966-7C2422BC1885@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <f29iaj$9ar$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hm. I would think politeness would have been writing me to check on things 
before making broad generalizations to the whole use-list?


"Bernard Devlin" 
<revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com> wrote in 
message news:E2F4EBD9-3832-45FF-A966-7C2422BC1885 at knowledgeworks.plus.com...
> Apologies to Heather.  I debated with myself about whether or not I 
> should respond to her directly or via the list.  I am sure the list  in 
> general is not particularly interested in my bug issues (although  if bug 
> 3196 is fixed, it offers lots of potential), but I am also  fearful that 
> the problems I'm seeing with this Community Beta must be  shared by 
> others.  Out of a sense of politeness I decided to respond  to Heather 
> rather than the list, as that is what she requested.  But  by the time I'd 
> written the reply, and hit 'send' I'd forgotten to  change the recipient, 
> so it just went back to the list.
>
> Bernard





From wjm at wjm.org  Mon May 14 07:55:30 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:55:30 -0400
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
References: <61E7FEBB-07B0-4657-9642-86ADCA7B8C15@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <f29ind$ap4$1@sea.gmane.org>

Bernard,

I do have to agree with you that the beta forum is anemic. Not a lot of end 
users seem to use it, it might be helpful if they did. Most of the "action" 
seems to be on the email lists and in BugZilla itself. ... which is fine. 
I'd rather have the issues reported in RQCC than to be discussed or chatted 
about in a BBS. Furthermore, despite efforts to address this, I'm not always 
notified by email when a new post in the forum occurs. This means if I don't 
manually go to the forum and check it, things can be missed.

While I'm one of the "moderators" there this is an administrative function 
and not a promise of being there continually... It's a peer-to-peer forum. I 
suppose if it creates an expectation that we cannot meet, we might consider 
pulling it altogether. But I do think some people like it and it keeps the 
list free of beta-related discussions not of interest to everyone.

Bill

> As there had been no response from Bill, I posted to the Beta Forum 
> (http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php? 
> t=733&sid=a27c044d3a76fc1f95dd22bafe1868f5), which is supposedly 
> monitored by Bill and by Robin Miller.  But no response from either.





From david at openpartnership.net  Mon May 14 08:04:49 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:04:49 +0100
Subject: A challenge: adding months to a date?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705140440q5db9de3by17dd056e2cceda18@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070513123807026145.a9795f3d@sonsothunder.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131106r7ca7203dg726502d9b7ec092c@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131118t4e457273pd760485e45a7c0fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070513151151926753.20da68e0@sonsothunder.com>
	<c1c5836b0705140440q5db9de3by17dd056e2cceda18@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705140504w59e9cc6ar8838619fe879f3e0@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know exactly what the convert is doing with the times? I
modified Kens code so it also returns the best guess date as well as working
out the month and year - that is if there is no exact match it return s the
last day of that month....

And the Unit test returns this:

Thu, 28 Feb 2002 01:00:00 +0000
Sun, 31 Mar 2002 02:00:00 +0000
Tue, 30 Apr 2002 02:00:00 +0000
Fri, 31 May 2002 02:00:00 +0000
Sun, 30 Jun 2002 02:00:00 +0000
Wed, 31 Jul 2002 02:00:00 +0000
Sat, 31 Aug 2002 02:00:00 +0000
Mon, 30 Sep 2002 02:00:00 +0000
Thu, 31 Oct 2002 01:00:00 +0000
Sat, 30 Nov 2002 01:00:00 +0000
Wed, 31 Dec 2003 01:00:00 +0000
Fri, 31 Jan 2003 01:00:00 +0000
Fri, 28 Feb 2003 01:00:00 +0000
Mon, 31 Mar 2003 02:00:00 +0000
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 1 2 3

Which passes - as each month is incremental, as are the month numbers. But -
why do the times change from October to February. Note I added the 2am line
to the script to ensure convert does not subtract the odd day now and
then...

Here is the modified code:

on mouseUp
    put "2002,1,31,1,0,0,5" into startDate
    put 1 into lastMonth
    put lastMonth into endMonths
    repeat with statementNumber = 1 to 14
        set the cursor to busy
        date_AddMonth statementNumber, startDate, endMonth, endYear
        put the result
        put space & endMonth after endMonths

        if statementNumber mod 12 is not (endMonth - 1) then
            put merge("Failed adding [[statementNumber]] to
[[abbeyStartDate]]. Resulted in [[someMonth]]")
        end if
    end repeat

    put endMonths
end mouseUp

on date_AddMonth monthsToAdd, startDate, @endMonth, @endYear
    -- thanks to Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> !
    put startDate into someDate

    convert someDate to dateItems
    put item 1 of someDate into tYear
    put item 2 of someDate into tMonth
    put (monthsToAdd+tMonth) mod 12 into endMonth
    if endMonth = 0 then put 12 into endMonth
    put ((monthsToAdd+tMonth) div 12) + tYear into endYear

    put endYear into item 1 of someDate
    put endMonth into item 2 of someDate
    put date_MaxDaysInMonth(endMonth, endYear) into item 3 of someDate
    put 2 into item 4 of someDate    # seems to be required !!!
    convert someDate to internet date
    return someDate
end date_AddMonth

function date_MaxDaysInMonth theMonth, theYear
    -- thanks to Bj?rnke von Gierke <bvg at mac.com> !

    put "1,January,3,March,5,May,7,July,8,August,10,October,12,December"
into Months31
    put "4,April,6,June,9,September,11,November" into Months30
    if theMonth is among the items of Months31 then
        put 31 into HowManyDays
    else if theMonth is among the items of Months30 then
        put 30 into HowManyDays
    else --February
        if (theYear mod 400 = 0) or (theYear mod 100 <> 0) and (theYear mod
4 = 0) then
            put 29 into HowManyDays -- leap year
        else
            put 28 into HowManyDays
        end if
    end if
    return HowManyDays
end date_MaxDaysInMonth


From david at openpartnership.net  Mon May 14 08:21:04 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:21:04 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Altuit VueTools available...
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705140008y6d0fd735g383dbbf545fadc20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210705140007m6114ae36j1a21dde89f398f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705140008y6d0fd735g383dbbf545fadc20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705140521w7e40acf7m56955562ea5e864f@mail.gmail.com>

Chipp looks great!

I took a look at the videos, and understand I thinks how Rev can be used to
manage and tailor dynamically the python scripts - but there are some thigs
I don't get? It looks from the video like there is more interaction between
the manager and Vue... you choose a bevel tool and there is an instant
change in Vue.... is this because Vue is polling for changes in the python
scripts or are you using something else there - like some sort of IAC
(AppleScript etc)???

Puzzled and amazed. NB heard a word-of-mouth report that Maya is going
Python. Do you have plans for other 3D platforms?


From david at openpartnership.net  Mon May 14 08:31:37 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:31:37 +0100
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <p062408aac26d29e94cdc@192.168.1.101>
References: <46476F06.3030601@fourthworld.com>
	<p062408aac26d29e94cdc@192.168.1.101>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705140531t73144af1ge2bdfe0b150c03a2@mail.gmail.com>

On 13/05/07, Robert Brenstein <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:
>
> >Robert Brenstein wrote:
> >>Another example: scientific applications where users can enter
> >>their own functions for analyzing, processing, or displaying some
> >>data.
> >
> >Given how few scientists also have Rev experience, is it necessary
> >that the functions be written in Transcript?


No - not necessary. For these sort of applications I think it is easy enough
to allow people to script in any language they want by  organising a plugins
folder with shell scripts - so you could use python, perl, SQL or whatever
you have and are able to use. The thing is for novices it is easier to learn
Transcript, and there is the speed advantage...

The way I look at it is a slightly puzzled question to RunRevs strategy here
- there would be no better way of getting a greater mind share for the
RunRev IDE than alowing a bunch of tools to be created which demonstrate the
simplicity and advantages of coding in Transcript over other scripting
languages - this needs applications like this that give you the choice while
providing an easy path to get into Rev scripting.


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon May 14 10:42:09 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 07:42:09 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Altuit VueTools available...
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705140008y6d0fd735g383dbbf545fadc20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210705140007m6114ae36j1a21dde89f398f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705140008y6d0fd735g383dbbf545fadc20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01e301c79636$0dc58f80$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

> OOPS forgot to mention the URL:
> www.vuetoolbar.com

Chipp's 3D work is very polished and professional, you should all check it
out!

Vue is an awesome 3D product (I have a render rendering in the background at
this very moment). I have a long time relationship with e-on (my company
Proactive launched and ran e-on software USA in its early years), and they
have a great attention to producing quality updates and user experience. It
isnt a "modeler" product but is more a scene layout and rendering product -
with a focus on very realistic natural scenery. I use it mostly at the "end
of the pipeline" with model content from other applications like Poser.

If you've ever thought of producing an Alida or Myst style game in RR, Id
suggest Vue for generating the content.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com





> On 5/14/07, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> >
> > While this isn't something you all will rush to purchase, I thought 
> > I'd post an announcement of it here.
> >
> > Altuit VueTools are a set of Python scripts and programs which are 
> > used to model 3D objects using e-on software's Vue6-Infinite 3D 
> > application. Rev is used in this product to create the 'VueTools 
> > Manager' which is the self-updating installer and plugin 
> manager for 
> > VueTools. A nice example of Rev and Python working together.
> >
> > (btw...Python using wxPython as a GUI wrapper is MOST difficult for 
> > this longtime Xtalker).
> >
> > -Chipp
> >
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From martinblackman at gmail.com  Mon May 14 10:56:40 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:56:40 +0800
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705140531t73144af1ge2bdfe0b150c03a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46476F06.3030601@fourthworld.com>
	<p062408aac26d29e94cdc@192.168.1.101>
	<c1c5836b0705140531t73144af1ge2bdfe0b150c03a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70705140756y6fb1adecq60ee97a197263613@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on such an app for a particular engineering niche market
(just happens to correspond to my day job), perhaps it will be
adaptable in future to other uses.  I'm taking care of the branching
and looping within my code and 'doing' one script line at a time.  It
still runs pretty fast.
There's an early public beta at www.xtrados.com if you're interested,
maybe you guys can point out some of the flaws.  At this point it
doesn't prevent malicious use, for instance deleting files.  Can
anyone suggest any more security issues to be aware of ?

regards
Martin


From martinblackman at gmail.com  Mon May 14 11:00:04 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:00:04 +0800
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70705140756y6fb1adecq60ee97a197263613@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46476F06.3030601@fourthworld.com>
	<p062408aac26d29e94cdc@192.168.1.101>
	<c1c5836b0705140531t73144af1ge2bdfe0b150c03a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70705140756y6fb1adecq60ee97a197263613@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70705140800h57e37fdft466f499238f01f15@mail.gmail.com>

windows only at this stage..
> There's an early public beta at www.xtrados.com if you're interested,


From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Mon May 14 11:13:47 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:13:47 +0100
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
Message-ID: <028A230F-0695-44D7-91B4-58B0901A4BD3@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

Bill, I refer you to your email of 20th October 2006:

> Some of you will say, "Bill it would be much more productive if you  
> filed
> all this in Bugzilla." Well, I'm all for contributing to the  
> community. But
> it takes time and effort to file a decent bug report. You need to have
> something reproducible, supply sample files, write it up properly,  
> etc. This
> is no trivial task. And I just don't feel that it's worthwhile. I  
> haven't
> seen action on other serious bugs, and I haven't seen the kind of  
> quality
> that suggests even casual inspection on the part of Rev's release  
> team.

That's exactly how I feel.  Only the difference is that you now bear  
responsibility with regard to this.  Bug 3196 went through the proper  
bug-reporting procedure (and in fact also had duplicate postings).

I cannot understand how this old, blocker-level bug is still in the  
Release Candidate, nor can I understand how Rev's Quality Control  
manager does not visit  the Community Beta Forum.  Maybe that forum  
would have more activity if people actually saw that you visited it  
regularly.  Might I suggest that you post an announcement there  
saying that people should email you directly instead of wasting their  
time in that forum?   Mind you, I did email you directly twice, and  
it made no difference to this bug's status.

You might also remember saying last year in your lengthy complaints  
about Rev's bugginess:

> I have filed a couple reports on Rev bugs and I promised I
> would file a couple more about the more easily described problems I
> outlined. However, what I put into a product has a lot to do with  
> how well I
> think the feedback will be received and acted upon. People don't  
> talk to
> brick walls, unless they're insane.

[Bill Marriott, "Re: Bill's Boycott - was Open Letter to Rev: Quality  
Is Job #1	(Vista Install)", 21st October, 2006)

Well, I feel I've been talking to a brick wall about this bug for the  
past few weeks.  I had no idea if my experience was unusual, so  
that's why I wrote to the user list - but first I tried to use the  
official bug-reporting channels.

 From what you are saying, I must be in a minority.  In one sense,  
I'm glad to hear that.  On several occasions I've suggested that  
there be  a list of the bugs that were fixed on each iteration of the  
beta cycle.  That would have enabled people to see that even if bugs  
that concerned them were going unfixed, that other bugs were still  
being fixed.

Each time I downloaded the beta, uninstalled the old version,  
installed the new version, then I would run my tests to see if bug  
3196 had been fixed (even though it wasn't listed in any of the  
accompanying "Change Log.txt" files).  Each time I'd be  
disappointed.  Eventually it dawned on me that it wasn't going to get  
fixed.  When I saw it was still there in the Release Candidate, and  
there was no response from anyone at runrev.com about my warnings, I  
realised something was seriously awry.

So as far as I'm concerned the Community Beta has clearly lost its  
way.  It promised to focus on removing serious bugs and introducing  
the long-awaited Linux version.  Instead serious, documented bugs  
have been allowed into the Release Candidate, the Linux version has  
been pushed out, and the emphasis seems to have turned to introducing  
new features.

You can harp on about the incorporation of the Altuit products, but  
they were not initially part of the Community Beta.  That's a red  
herring.  Of course those products have to be incorporated at some  
point - they were probably bought as a band-aid to give Rev added- 
value, whilst your attempted consumer revolt over bugs was managed.   
Since the Altuit externals had obviously been working fine for  
Altuit's customers, there was no need that they be seamlessly  
introduced in this Beta cycle.

Remember: Quality is Job #1


Bernard




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon May 14 11:52:16 2007
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:52:16 +0100
Subject: Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?
Message-ID: <464885B0.1030206@cogapp.com>

Has anybody on this list attempted to use the current versions of Rev (in fact 
any version since 2.7.2) to access a SQL Server database over ODBC on the Mac? 
  And if you have, have you succeeded?  And what driver were you using?

I use the OpenLink SQL Server Lite Driver, version 5.0.319.  With all versions 
since 2.7.2, I find that opening the database fails with no error (it returns 
empty, where it should return either an error message or a connection id). 
Versions 2.1 though 2.7.1 are fine.

This isn't about standalones or locating externals etc - this is just in the 
IDE (though it's no better with standalones).  Something useful is being done 
to connect to the ODBC infrastructure, because if I pass a bad DSN I get a 
sensible error message.  (More details in Bugzilla #4783).

I know that other users are accessing SQL Server via ODBC without problems on 
Windows.  But I want to know if this is a universal problem on the Mac, or 
just a problem I've got.  If it's a problem with the OpenLink driver that can 
be worked around using another driver, that would be handy too.

So - is anyone else using Rev to connect to a SQL Server database over ODBC on 
the Mac?  And if so, how's that working for you?

TIA,

- Ben



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon May 14 12:11:48 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:11:48 -0700
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70705140756y6fb1adecq60ee97a197263613@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46476F06.3030601@fourthworld.com>
	<p062408aac26d29e94cdc@192.168.1.101>
	<c1c5836b0705140531t73144af1ge2bdfe0b150c03a2@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70705140756y6fb1adecq60ee97a197263613@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c26e38d02883@[192.168.1.103]>

Yes, making up your own little language is cool (and fun, if one is 
geeky enough).

There's nothing to stop anyone from making a little text interpreter 
that could use any syntax desired, even the 'reserved' words. The 
'script editor' could just be a field or a builder, like in 4th 
Dimension. I did that in Hypercard.

The list of limited commands could just be interpreted line by line, 
and either acted upon, error responded to or ignored. And of course 
it could easily be made platform-agnostic.


>I'm working on such an app for a particular engineering niche market
>(just happens to correspond to my day job), perhaps it will be
>adaptable in future to other uses.  I'm taking care of the branching
>and looping within my code and 'doing' one script line at a time.  It
>still runs pretty fast.
>There's an early public beta at www.xtrados.com if you're interested,
>maybe you guys can point out some of the flaws.  At this point it
>doesn't prevent malicious use, for instance deleting files.  Can
>anyone suggest any more security issues to be aware of ?
>
>regards
>Martin

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon May 14 12:22:53 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:22:53 -0700
Subject: Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <464885B0.1030206@cogapp.com>
References: <464885B0.1030206@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c26e3bd8de64@[192.168.1.103]>

My experience with ODBC has always been HORRIBLE on the Mac; this 
goes back to something called Butler in the early 90's.  I've since 
chosen alterative database connectivity systems since then so I can't 
speak for modern implementations...

Is it possible that ODBC support is being phased out on the Mac? Is 
there a point where upgrading the server might be more cost 
effective? Or is this something that you can't control?

The idea of "middleware" for database access always gave me the creeps...

>Has anybody on this list attempted to use the current versions of 
>Rev (in fact any version since 2.7.2) to access a SQL Server 
>database over ODBC on the Mac?  And if you have, have you succeeded? 
>And what driver were you using?
>
>I use the OpenLink SQL Server Lite Driver, version 5.0.319.  With 
>all versions since 2.7.2, I find that opening the database fails 
>with no error (it returns empty, where it should return either an 
>error message or a connection id). Versions 2.1 though 2.7.1 are 
>fine.
>
>This isn't about standalones or locating externals etc - this is 
>just in the IDE (though it's no better with standalones).  Something 
>useful is being done to connect to the ODBC infrastructure, because 
>if I pass a bad DSN I get a sensible error message.  (More details 
>in Bugzilla #4783).
>
>I know that other users are accessing SQL Server via ODBC without 
>problems on Windows.  But I want to know if this is a universal 
>problem on the Mac, or just a problem I've got.  If it's a problem 
>with the OpenLink driver that can be worked around using another 
>driver, that would be handy too.
>
>So - is anyone else using Rev to connect to a SQL Server database 
>over ODBC on the Mac?  And if so, how's that working for you?
>
>TIA,
>
>- Ben
>
>_

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From jeff at siphonophore.com  Mon May 14 12:28:19 2007
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:28:19 -0400
Subject: classic mac apps in 2.8
In-Reply-To: <20070514073539.9BDA8489363@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070514073539.9BDA8489363@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0AA9D30D-3F4F-4A64-897D-B8667C88AA7C@siphonophore.com>

Mark,

thanks ill try that out. i think that should work fine as i have not  
really done anything that is all that new in these stacks. i can also  
just continue with the 2.6 and the just open the stack in 2.8 and  
create the osx and pc apps with that. that way there should be no  
backwards feature gotchas (and hopefully no forward feature gotchas!)

is there a list of features anywhere that are post legacy 2.4 format  
for those old classic developers to keep an eye on if we need to move  
to this process in the future? ie features/calls to avoid to keep  
things legacy kosher? Legacy format is not even mentioned in 2.8 docs.

Does anyone know if the classic engine will be updated for classic  
app creation in the 2.8 version? its in there as coming in 2.8.x and  
it is listed as a feature on the web site. perhaps some coming soon  
needs to be put on the web site for the classic support or just  
remove that or the caveat that its only good up to v2.6 for total  
cross platform support.

yes classic is old, but still going very strong in the education  
market. almost impossible not to have a classic version of software  
you try to publish through a publisher still, especially in the lower  
grades where computers are held onto forever...

Sorry i am just moving up from v2.6x to 2.8, as an education  
developer i am on the slow side to upgrade as that market is a few  
years behind the times in lower grades! They are just now thinking  
that vista and intel macs will be something to deal with in the not  
to distant future!

cheers,

jeff reynolds


On May 14, 2007, at 3:35 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

>
> Hi Jeff,
>
> You can develop the stack in Rev 2.8 and save it in 2.4 levacy format
> before opening it in Rev 2.6. You might have to make adjustments in
> Rev 2.6, because some newer features are not available in older
> versions.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark



From Camm29 at tesco.net  Mon May 14 12:47:49 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:47:49 +0100
Subject: Major Hang with IVT BlueSoleil 1.6
References: <000a01c79590$5df931b0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<20070513151436585972.dab3b272@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <002001c79647$9cd5f320$0a01a8c0@workshop>

This script works fine with all , except IVT BlueSoleil 1.6 bluetooth to usb
driver !
The IVT BlueSoleil 1.6 bluetooth to usb driver works with other programs
except RUNREV.

set serialControlString to "BAUD=38400 PARITY=N DATA=8 STOP=1
wait 50 milliseconds
Open driver "COM5:"
write "HELLO" & eol to driver "COM5:"
read from driver "COM5:" until empty
.......
......
......
close driver "COM5:"


Any HELP ? , Is it a BUG ?

Regards

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Major Hang with IVT BlueSoleil 1.6


> On Sun, 13 May 2007 19:55:58 +0100, Camm29 wrote:
>
> > RunRev hangs PC , cannot even end Program from Task Manager.
> >
> > Windows XP
> >
> >
> > Using IVT BlueSoleil 1.6 Driver for USB to Bluetooth Convertor.
> > USB is Virtual Com Port.
> >
> > All non RunRev programs work okay with this Driver !
>
> What code is it executing when it hangs?
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Mon May 14 13:10:57 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:10:57 -0400
Subject: Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <464885B0.1030206@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <OF56C19399.5F72865C-ON852572DB.005DDD24-852572DB.005D5CD4@sealedair.com>

I haven't tried accessing MS-SQL from Rev since 2.6.x, but it worked after
installing the "Actual" driver. It costs only $29.95 and worked quite well.
You can try it for free, but it will only return 3 lines from a query until
you acquire a license.

http://www.actualtechnologies.com/

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon May 14 13:03:02 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 10:03:02 -0700
Subject: Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <OF56C19399.5F72865C-ON852572DB.005DDD24-852572DB.005D5CD4@sealedair.com>
References: <OF56C19399.5F72865C-ON852572DB.005DDD24-852572DB.005D5CD4@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <p06240804c26e46b068c6@[192.168.1.103]>

cool. I was wrong.
sqb

>I haven't tried accessing MS-SQL from Rev since 2.6.x, but it worked after
>installing the "Actual" driver. It costs only $29.95 and worked quite well.
>You can try it for free, but it will only return 3 lines from a query until
>you acquire a license.
>
>http://www.actualtechnologies.com/
>
>Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From wjm at wjm.org  Mon May 14 13:22:47 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:22:47 -0400
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
References: <028A230F-0695-44D7-91B4-58B0901A4BD3@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <f2a5te$nic$1@sea.gmane.org>

Bernard,

I'm glad you brought up the post I made last year, because it reminds me of 
how far we've come since then.

Not only did we implement a substantial update to BugZilla, making it far 
more accessible and effective, but the effort going into BugZilla entries is 
like night and day as well. It's not just me trying to put the best face on 
things, either. The surveys we have conducted prove it.

As a beta tester, you know we are conducting regular surveys to assess the 
progress we're making against the quality objective. Here are actual results 
from the survey question regarding bug reporting:

#14) Please indicate the degree to which you agree with the following 
statements about BugZilla/the new Revolution Quality Control Center:

-100 = Strongly Disagree
 0 = Neither Agree nor Disagree
+100 = Strongly Agree
(average ratings)

I am able to enter my reports accurately and completely
12-2006: +37
05-2007: +56

The reports I make are read/reviewed promptly
12-2006: +8
05-2007: +33

I receive adequate feedback on my reports
12-2006: +10
05-2007: +34

Runtime Developers take my reports seriously
12-2006: +14
05-2007: +40

The voting system is a good way to prioritize bugs
12-2006: -6
05-2007: +16

The bugs I care about are being, or have been addressed
12-2006: -12
05-2007: +14

(The second beta tester survey is not closed yet, but we've already reach 
80% of the response rate we're looking for, so the numbers are not going to 
change that much.)

The results above speak for themselves. They are evidence there has been 
real and dramatic progress made against the objective of making 
BugZilla/RQCC a valuable, credible resource for improving the quality of 
Revolution, and that RunRev developers have been more responsive to user 
needs. Additionally, we've added more than 100 users of the system since the 
"Open Beta" program launched, and they have been filing even more bugs as a 
result. We've had more users, more bugs filed, and yet better engagement 
from Runtime Revolution than ever before. No small accomplishment. That's 
not marketing spin, that's the truth. Is there room for improvement? Of 
course. But as more bugs are fixed, I expect these numbers to improve even 
more.

It is absolutely worthwhile now to use the Revolution Quality Control Center 
to report your issues. This is a decided change from when I made my October 
post.

> That's exactly how I feel.  Only the difference is that you now bear 
> responsibility with regard to this.  Bug 3196 went through the proper 
> bug-reporting procedure (and in fact also had duplicate postings).

Bernard, I am sorry that your particular issue wasn't addressed in the two 
weeks since you sent me your mail, or the few months since you first 
reported it. However, it is being studied, it's marked and logged as a "Top 
5" issue, and not being ignored. I do hope it will be addressed for 2.9.

> I cannot understand how this old, blocker-level bug is still in the 
> Release Candidate, nor can I understand how Rev's Quality Control  manager 
> does not visit  the Community Beta Forum.  Maybe that forum  would have 
> more activity if people actually saw that you visited it  regularly. 
> Might I suggest that you post an announcement there  saying that people 
> should email you directly instead of wasting their  time in that forum? 
> Mind you, I did email you directly twice, and  it made no difference to 
> this bug's status.

Like many people, I find the mailing lists and RQCC to be a much more 
efficient way to exchange information. The forum is simply not trafficked 
heavily in general, and I do not receive notifications reliably when the 
occassional post is made. Having said that, there is a decent amount of 
material there which help people understand the bug reporting process, gives 
testing tips, and helps people write better bugs. I try to stop in there 
periodically, but honestly it's not a top priority -- it's supposed to be a 
user-to-user forum. As for the email, as I've explained to you I requested 
people send me bugs. It's was not my intent to open an email exchange on 
each and every one of them. I requested people send me a bug; you sent me 
one; it was logged and recorded. I didn't even realize you expected a 
personal response, and if you had written me an direct question or request 
for information you would have gotten one.

> From what you are saying, I must be in a minority.  In one sense,  I'm 
> glad to hear that.  On several occasions I've suggested that  there be  a 
> list of the bugs that were fixed on each iteration of the  beta cycle. 
> That would have enabled people to see that even if bugs  that concerned 
> them were going unfixed, that other bugs were still  being fixed.

The list of bugs fixed is in the RQCC itself. The status messages generally 
are a good indicator what is being worked on. If it's "unconfirmed" then it 
hasn't received a lot of attention yet. If it's "new" them people know about 
it and it's being slated. You can easily create a saved search to indicate 
which bugs have changed recently, or to report on the latest comments by the 
engineering team. RunRev could and should make better use of RQCC as a tool 
for communicating status, but I think they're well on their way and steadily 
improving.

> Each time I downloaded the beta, uninstalled the old version,  installed 
> the new version, then I would run my tests to see if bug  3196 had been 
> fixed (even though it wasn't listed in any of the  accompanying "Change 
> Log.txt" files).  Each time I'd be  disappointed.  Eventually it dawned on 
> me that it wasn't going to get  fixed.  When I saw it was still there in 
> the Release Candidate, and  there was no response from anyone at 
> runrev.com about my warnings, I  realised something was seriously awry.

Unfortunately, we do have release candidates and "golden masters" with open 
bugs. That is a fact of life in the software world in general. Issues are 
prioritized by a number of factors, including the votes received, difficulty 
of researching/fixing them, severity of the bug, number of people it 
affects, business concerns, and so on. Report #3196 has 20 votes for it so 
far. That means it's up there on the list, but by no means in the top 50%.

I suggest you count the number of open bugs, then make a guess as to how 
many hours it will take to reproduce, research the code, write a fix, and 
test all of them thoroughly. Do the multiplication and you'll find there are 
more hours than left in the next year (or two). This is why I asked for the 
"Top 5" bugs from people, and why we have the voting system.

> So as far as I'm concerned the Community Beta has clearly lost its  way. 
> It promised to focus on removing serious bugs and introducing  the 
> long-awaited Linux version.  Instead serious, documented bugs  have been 
> allowed into the Release Candidate, the Linux version has  been pushed 
> out, and the emphasis seems to have turned to introducing  new features.

It may not be moving as fast as you'd like, but it is going in the right 
direction. There are a large number of open bugs in the system. Hundreds --  
literally hundreds -- are being fixed with every release. It's going to take 
a long time to reach perfection. I expect Revolution 2.9 will be extremely 
welcomed and largely satisfy the goals of a quality release. In the 
meantime, I don't think it's reasonable for Revolution to stand without a 
single release until your bug -- or anyone else's personal issue -- is 
fixed.

> You can harp on about the incorporation of the Altuit products, but  they 
> were not initially part of the Community Beta.  That's a red  herring.  Of 
> course those products have to be incorporated at some  point - they were 
> probably bought as a band-aid to give Rev added- value, whilst your 
> attempted consumer revolt over bugs was managed.   Since the Altuit 
> externals had obviously been working fine for  Altuit's customers, there 
> was no need that they be seamlessly  introduced in this Beta cycle.

I think the "new features" as such have been modest and absolutely 
necessary. Take the Altuit externals. Rev released those as a separtae 
download shortly after they were acquired. Nevertheless, the documentation 
was sparse and all over the place. The original sample stacks worked okay 
when they were distributed by Altuit but didn't make sense when it was 
coming from RunRev. The Font external was busted on Mac OS Intel. There was 
a senseless "activation" business where you had to put a serial number into 
your code. And having the separate download had a half-baked feel to the 
process overall. It was very difficult for a new user to understand how to 
make use of them. It's a good thing they are integrated, and have several 
bugs fixed in them now. As for the functionality they provide, I consider 
them pretty essential.

> Remember: Quality is Job #1

The unwavering focus since November has been on improving the quality of the 
product, in all the forms that quality takes. Sorry if we disappointed you 
regarding this particular issue, and I know your support of Revolution is 
appreciated. We can disagree about whether a typo in the docs is more or 
less important than a database plugin or is more or less important than the 
sockets issue you reported. But I am satisfied that quality is indeed job #1 
now at RunRev.

I'll close with some actual quotes from the latest survey:

"The pre-release program is getting better over time."
"Greatly Impressed with the progress made"
"It is very nice to see how fast the bugs I submitted are fixed."
"haven't felt nervous about using [the betas] for virtually all my 
development work. They all felt more stable than 2.7.x."
"I am super thrilled to have such a solid release coming to us. 2.8.1 feels 
to be the best version of Rev ever."
"Very stable. Light night and day"
"Progress is being made in the right direction."
"This is by far the best release of Rev yet. Lots of improvements that make 
my apps look/behave more professionally."
"A very good experience for me, if not for you, which has decided me to 
learn again to use Revolution."







From chipp at chipp.com  Mon May 14 13:47:44 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:47:44 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Altuit VueTools available...
In-Reply-To: <01e301c79636$0dc58f80$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <7aa52a210705140007m6114ae36j1a21dde89f398f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705140008y6d0fd735g383dbbf545fadc20@mail.gmail.com>
	<01e301c79636$0dc58f80$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705141047j7a00d296o7f0cfa3572d289a1@mail.gmail.com>

David,

Originally I had a 'VueHub' which acted as a broker between Rev and Vue's
Python, sending and retrieving Python scripts and data back and forth. I
ended up only using Rev as the Installer/Manager for Vue and the toolbar you
are seeing is wxPython (runs on all platforms as well). I could never get
the VueHub approach to run in it's own thread. Not a problem for Rev, but
rather a problem for Vue's own version of Python.

The VueToolbar does run in it's own thread, and communicates back and forth
from it to Vue. As wxPython is not installed with Vue, I also had to use the
Revbuilt VueTools Manager to install it as well. On the Mac, I ran into
significant problems with Rev's unzip tool on that one. Ended up just using
a commandline unzip process on the Mac. Not sure who's to blame as Rev's
unzip tool has problems with embedded folders when they are actually
bundles. I hate the way Mac manages bundles.


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon May 14 13:59:23 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:59:23 -0500
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
In-Reply-To: <26CEC832-4312-46E4-A8E3-B60F33DB0CAE@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
References: <26CEC832-4312-46E4-A8E3-B60F33DB0CAE@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705141059y6f421f8fs85f4627fc9cc007c@mail.gmail.com>

Bernard,

While you post bug 3196 as a 'blocker', it certainly isn't one which I would
think affects a lot of people. I'm sure for you, it is a significant issue,
but I doubt a significant population of Rev users will ever encounter it. I
do use 'open process' in a couple of my apps w/out problem-- not to say you
haven't identified a bug, just that it is a bit obscure. I can certainly see
Rev prioritizing other 'blockers' above the one you mention.

best regards,

Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon May 14 14:03:21 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:03:21 -0500
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705131009o14071671xc246ed22cd7e2bf2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p062408a4c26cdfbae95a@192.168.1.101>
	<OFCB7E63D6.A885817B-ON852572DA.005A6838-852572DA.005B9C7F@sealedair.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131009o14071671xc246ed22cd7e2bf2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705141103q5caf9bb7q95a96513112a0e49@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/13/07, David Bovill <david at openpartnership.net> wrote:
>
> I'd agree with Roger on both the key points - use law not functional
> restrictions and at least extend to 25 lines.



Would that suppose we should never copy protect our applications as we can
use law to sue pirates? That said, I do agree with your 25 lines
restriction.


From david at openpartnership.net  Mon May 14 14:33:56 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:33:56 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Altuit VueTools available...
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705141047j7a00d296o7f0cfa3572d289a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210705140007m6114ae36j1a21dde89f398f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705140008y6d0fd735g383dbbf545fadc20@mail.gmail.com>
	<01e301c79636$0dc58f80$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
	<7aa52a210705141047j7a00d296o7f0cfa3572d289a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705141133m475830b8i5ea3ed18d21503a4@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/05/07, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> Originally I had a 'VueHub' which acted as a broker between Rev and Vue's
> Python, sending and retrieving Python scripts and data back and forth. I
> ended up only using Rev as the Installer/Manager for Vue and the toolbar
> you
> are seeing is wxPython (runs on all platforms as well). I could never get
> the VueHub approach to run in it's own thread. Not a problem for Rev, but
> rather a problem for Vue's own version of Python.


I'm not clear on this Chipp - probably as I've never written a plugin. I
have played with wxPython a few years back - but only for standalones...
what I'd like to Grok is exactly how "The VueToolbar does run in it's own
thread, and communicates back and forth
from it to Vue." ? Is this an internal feature of Vue - that is because you
can use embedded python as a scripting language you can use the wxWidgets -
I'd be happy to read up on this if you have any references as I'd really
like to get to know how to create scripted plugins for other applications.


From david at openpartnership.net  Mon May 14 14:43:35 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:43:35 +0100
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705141103q5caf9bb7q95a96513112a0e49@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p062408a4c26cdfbae95a@192.168.1.101>
	<OFCB7E63D6.A885817B-ON852572DA.005A6838-852572DA.005B9C7F@sealedair.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131009o14071671xc246ed22cd7e2bf2@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705141103q5caf9bb7q95a96513112a0e49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705141143i729c2937mb7e40997b0c8c471@mail.gmail.com>

On 14/05/07, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> Would that suppose we should never copy protect our applications as we can
> use law to sue pirates? That said, I do agree with your 25 lines
> restriction.


Out of interest has anyone on this list had software pirated /
re-engineered? I'd be interested to hear of any cases. End user copying is
very common - but I've not come across stories of someone or taking an app
and copying the code illegally to sell a derivative version, but then I
might just be being naive here? Go-on make me paranoid :)


From david at openpartnership.net  Mon May 14 14:52:07 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:52:07 +0100
Subject: Hiliting a cell or tabbed item in a field....
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705141152v4f943876n7f443030c564fc12@mail.gmail.com>

I've forgotten how to do this... whats the trick again.... I've got a field
with tabbed data in it and I want to hilite say the second column of the 3rd
line. I know I've done this before but all I can get right now is the text
hilit - not the whole cell?

          select item columnNum of line rowNum of the target


From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Mon May 14 15:01:08 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:01:08 +0100
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
Message-ID: <23D6D226-5178-4E29-AE03-C08B4E4C405A@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

Hi Chipp,

I didn't identify the bug.  It was identified and logged as a bug 18  
months ago by different people (several others on the list have been  
talking about problems with "write to process" on OS X as far back as  
2003).

There are a whole class of applications that could be written if this  
bug was fixed.

The problem concerns reading from and writing to the process on OS  
X.  If you're on Windows or Linux, it appears to work OK.

I'm very glad for the all the people who's bugs are being squashed,  
and who have been privileged to discussions with Bill about their  
bugs  :-)

Bernard

> Bernard,
>
> While you post bug 3196 as a 'blocker', it certainly isn't one  
> which I would
> think affects a lot of people. I'm sure for you, it is a  
> significant issue,
> but I doubt a significant population of Rev users will ever  
> encounter it. I
> do use 'open process' in a couple of my apps w/out problem-- not to  
> say you
> haven't identified a bug, just that it is a bit obscure. I can  
> certainly see
> Rev prioritizing other 'blockers' above the one you mention.
>
> best regards,
>
> Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon May 14 15:03:27 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:03:27 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Altuit VueTools available...
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705141133m475830b8i5ea3ed18d21503a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210705140007m6114ae36j1a21dde89f398f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705140008y6d0fd735g383dbbf545fadc20@mail.gmail.com>
	<01e301c79636$0dc58f80$6701a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
	<7aa52a210705141047j7a00d296o7f0cfa3572d289a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705141133m475830b8i5ea3ed18d21503a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705141203g1d8467fbwcd8674f1caf9456f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David,

Well, I certainly am no guru on this sort of thing, but here's what I know.
Python is Vue's scripting language. When executing a Python script, it does
not run in it's own thread, but rather runs synchronously. So, in order for
VueToolbar to stay open and available, it must run asynchronously in it's
own thread, which is also within Vue's process. Because VueToolbar
(wxWidgets) runs within Vue's process, it can communicate with Vue's Python.
Any Vue Python script can be placed into Altuit's VueTools plugins folder,
and the VueToolbar will scan it, make a button for it, and then run the
script when the button is pressed.

As I'm sure you know, creating plugins for Rev apps is a fairly simple and
straightforward thing to do as well. Just designate a folder 'plugins' and
allow users to 'run' any of the stacks located there.

HTH,
Chipp


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon May 14 15:09:25 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:09:25 -0500
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
In-Reply-To: <f2a5te$nic$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <028A230F-0695-44D7-91B4-58B0901A4BD3@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
	<f2a5te$nic$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20070514140925220937.3a94d6d9@sonsothunder.com>

I just wanted to chime in here and say that I have been incredibly 
impressed with the 2.8.1 release effort. This is the version with the 
longest and most comprehensive testing cycle (AFAICR) for a version of 
Revolution since RunRev took over the product from MetaCard Corp. Mark 
Waddingham has personally responded to virtually all the questions and 
bug-related posts on the Improve list, and Bill is staying on top of 
the testing cycle, asking for feedback and processing surveys. As a 
testament to their efforts, I had to look long and hard at my "active" 
list of bugs on Bugzilla to find the Top 5 that Bill requested, and 
even then only 2 of them were true bugs (the others were enhancement 
requests).

This is not to say that everyone has or will have the same experience 
with this cycle that I have had, or that certain pet bugs that have not 
been addressed yet cause some people's skin to wrankle. But to say that 
the overall effort of the Community Beta has 'lost its way' primarily 
because a specific bug that most likely affects a very small percentage 
of the Rev community is overstating things IMHO. 

Just my 2 cents,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon May 14 15:17:29 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:17:29 -0600
Subject: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum
Message-ID: <BBC9F1ED-D2EA-47E5-B1B8-98330AFB2B61@byu.edu>

I've run into an interesting problem in a small demo stack I'm  
working on. I am creating an interactive labeled picture in which a  
label field appears when the user mouses over an object in a  
photograph. I use a filled, partially transparent irregular polygon  
graphic to define the outline of the object in the photo I want to  
label. The label field overlaps the graphic object (this detail is  
important.) I use a script like this on the card to control the  
hiding and showing of the label field:

on mouseEnter
   if the name of the target contains "graphic" then show fld "myLabel"
end mouseEnter

on mouseLeave
   if the name of the target contains "graphic" then hide fld "myLabel"
end mouseLeave

Pretty straightforward. Now consider this sequence of events:

mouse enters graphic --> field is shown
mouse leaves graphic --> field is hidden

No problems. But this is what happens when the mouse enters the  
graphic, then, without leaving the graphic, enters the now visible  
field:

mouse enters graphic --> field is shown
mouse enters field --> since mouse is over field, it has left the  
graphic, so
   mouse has left graphic --> field is hidden
   mouse has entered graphic again --> field is shown
   mouse has left graphic --> field is hidden
   mouse has entered graphic again --> field is shown
   ... [ad infinitum]

This resultant "fluttering" of the field only stops after the mouse  
has been moved out of the graphic and enough time has elapsed so that  
all of the queued mouseLeave/mouseEnter events have run through.

go stack url "http://asay.byu.edu/enter-leave.rev" --to see a  
demonstration

I understand why this happens, and it seems consistent with the  
engine logic, so I'm not inclined to call it a bug. On the other  
hand, when uncontrolled "thrashing" of messages like this happens, it  
feels like a bug.

What do you all think? Should I report it as a bug? Is there an  
obvious workaround that I'm missing? (FlushEvents has no effect on  
these messages.) Insights appreciated.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 14 15:36:22 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:36:22 -0500
Subject: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum
In-Reply-To: <BBC9F1ED-D2EA-47E5-B1B8-98330AFB2B61@byu.edu>
References: <BBC9F1ED-D2EA-47E5-B1B8-98330AFB2B61@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4648BA36.50308@hyperactivesw.com>

Devin Asay wrote:
> I've run into an interesting problem in a small demo stack I'm working 
> on. I am creating an interactive labeled picture in which a label field 
> appears when the user mouses over an object in a photograph. I use a 
> filled, partially transparent irregular polygon graphic to define the 
> outline of the object in the photo I want to label. The label field 
> overlaps the graphic object (this detail is important.) I use a script 
> like this on the card to control the hiding and showing of the label field:
> 
> on mouseEnter
>   if the name of the target contains "graphic" then show fld "myLabel"
> end mouseEnter
> 
> on mouseLeave
>   if the name of the target contains "graphic" then hide fld "myLabel"
> end mouseLeave
> 
> Pretty straightforward. Now consider this sequence of events:
> 
> mouse enters graphic --> field is shown
> mouse leaves graphic --> field is hidden
> 
> No problems. But this is what happens when the mouse enters the graphic, 
> then, without leaving the graphic, enters the now visible field:
> 
> mouse enters graphic --> field is shown
> mouse enters field --> since mouse is over field, it has left the 
> graphic, so
>   mouse has left graphic --> field is hidden
>   mouse has entered graphic again --> field is shown
>   mouse has left graphic --> field is hidden
>   mouse has entered graphic again --> field is shown
>   ... [ad infinitum]
> 
> This resultant "fluttering" of the field only stops after the mouse has 
> been moved out of the graphic and enough time has elapsed so that all of 
> the queued mouseLeave/mouseEnter events have run through.
> 
> go stack url "http://asay.byu.edu/enter-leave.rev" --to see a demonstration
> 
> I understand why this happens, and it seems consistent with the engine 
> logic, so I'm not inclined to call it a bug. On the other hand, when 
> uncontrolled "thrashing" of messages like this happens, it feels like a 
> bug.
> 
> What do you all think? Should I report it as a bug? Is there an obvious 
> workaround that I'm missing? (FlushEvents has no effect on these 
> messages.) Insights appreciated.

Try:

on mouseLeave
  if the name of the target contains "graphic" then
   lock messages
   hide fld "myLabel"
  end if
end mouseLeave

I'm not sure it's a bug though I agree it probably feels like one.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon May 14 15:52:52 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:52:52 -0600
Subject: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum
In-Reply-To: <4648BA36.50308@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <BBC9F1ED-D2EA-47E5-B1B8-98330AFB2B61@byu.edu>
	<4648BA36.50308@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <08A241F0-A012-4E70-9429-735378570A17@byu.edu>


On May 14, 2007, at 1:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Devin Asay wrote:
>> I've run into an interesting problem in a small demo stack I'm  
>> working on. I am creating an interactive labeled picture in which  
>> a label field appears when the user mouses over an object in a  
>> photograph. I use a filled, partially transparent irregular  
>> polygon graphic to define the outline of the object in the photo I  
>> want to label. The label field overlaps the graphic object (this  
>> detail is important.) I use a script like this on the card to  
>> control the hiding and showing of the label field:
>> on mouseEnter
>>   if the name of the target contains "graphic" then show fld  
>> "myLabel"
>> end mouseEnter
>> on mouseLeave
>>   if the name of the target contains "graphic" then hide fld  
>> "myLabel"
>> end mouseLeave
>> Pretty straightforward. Now consider this sequence of events:
>> mouse enters graphic --> field is shown
>> mouse leaves graphic --> field is hidden
>> No problems. But this is what happens when the mouse enters the  
>> graphic, then, without leaving the graphic, enters the now visible  
>> field:
>> mouse enters graphic --> field is shown
>> mouse enters field --> since mouse is over field, it has left the  
>> graphic, so
>>   mouse has left graphic --> field is hidden
>>   mouse has entered graphic again --> field is shown
>>   mouse has left graphic --> field is hidden
>>   mouse has entered graphic again --> field is shown
>>   ... [ad infinitum]
>> This resultant "fluttering" of the field only stops after the  
>> mouse has been moved out of the graphic and enough time has  
>> elapsed so that all of the queued mouseLeave/mouseEnter events  
>> have run through.
>> go stack url "http://asay.byu.edu/enter-leave.rev" --to see a  
>> demonstration
>> I understand why this happens, and it seems consistent with the  
>> engine logic, so I'm not inclined to call it a bug. On the other  
>> hand, when uncontrolled "thrashing" of messages like this happens,  
>> it feels like a bug.
>> What do you all think? Should I report it as a bug? Is there an  
>> obvious workaround that I'm missing? (FlushEvents has no effect on  
>> these messages.) Insights appreciated.
>
> Try:
>
> on mouseLeave
>  if the name of the target contains "graphic" then
>   lock messages
>   hide fld "myLabel"
>  end if
> end mouseLeave
>
> I'm not sure it's a bug though I agree it probably feels like one.

Thanks, Jacque. That gets me part way there. The "thrashing" stops,  
but I still get the undesired hiding of the label field when I move  
the mouse over the part of the field that is also inside the graphic.  
It also prevents a label from showing in an adjacent graphic, if I  
move directly from one graphic to another, because the messages are  
locked. Ergo, no mouseEnter message for the adjacent object....

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon May 14 16:01:47 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:01:47 -0600
Subject: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum
In-Reply-To: <08A241F0-A012-4E70-9429-735378570A17@byu.edu>
References: <BBC9F1ED-D2EA-47E5-B1B8-98330AFB2B61@byu.edu>
	<4648BA36.50308@hyperactivesw.com>
	<08A241F0-A012-4E70-9429-735378570A17@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <92E320C0-B2E4-45E4-B34C-B4C8A064E6F9@byu.edu>


On May 14, 2007, at 1:52 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

>
> On May 14, 2007, at 1:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
<snip>
>>
>> Try:
>>
>> on mouseLeave
>>  if the name of the target contains "graphic" then
>>   lock messages
>>   hide fld "myLabel"
>>  end if
>> end mouseLeave
>>
>> I'm not sure it's a bug though I agree it probably feels like one.
>
> Thanks, Jacque. That gets me part way there. The "thrashing" stops,  
> but I still get the undesired hiding of the label field when I move  
> the mouse over the part of the field that is also inside the  
> graphic. It also prevents a label from showing in an adjacent  
> graphic, if I move directly from one graphic to another, because  
> the messages are locked. Ergo, no mouseEnter message for the  
> adjacent object....

If I just add an unlock messages line after the hide fld it pretty  
much fixes it:

on mouseLeave
  if the name of the target contains "graphic" then
   lock messages
   hide fld "myLabel"
   unlock messages
  end if
end mouseLeave

The only problem left is a quick flash when I move between the  
graphic and the overlapping field. Annoying, but livable.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Mon May 14 16:29:50 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:29:50 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: Spreadsheet
References: <c1c5836b0705130749t422a11efu21a6b20775052646@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4648C6BC.000001.01648@MAZYTIS>

By the way, here is a list of expressions and functions implemented in
sqlite: 
http://www.sqlite.org/lang_expr.html
 
All the best! 
Viktoras


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 14 16:38:40 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:38:40 -0500
Subject: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum
In-Reply-To: <92E320C0-B2E4-45E4-B34C-B4C8A064E6F9@byu.edu>
References: <BBC9F1ED-D2EA-47E5-B1B8-98330AFB2B61@byu.edu>	<4648BA36.50308@hyperactivesw.com>	<08A241F0-A012-4E70-9429-735378570A17@byu.edu>
	<92E320C0-B2E4-45E4-B34C-B4C8A064E6F9@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4648C8D0.4090404@hyperactivesw.com>

Devin Asay wrote:

> If I just add an unlock messages line after the hide fld it pretty much 
> fixes it:
> 
> on mouseLeave
>  if the name of the target contains "graphic" then
>   lock messages
>   hide fld "myLabel"
>   unlock messages
>  end if
> end mouseLeave
> 
> The only problem left is a quick flash when I move between the graphic 
> and the overlapping field. Annoying, but livable.

It still fails if the user slides the mouse over the label and exits 
that way.

I might try something like this instead:

local sObj

on mouseEnter
   if the name of the target contains "graphic" then
     put the name of the target into sObj
   end if
end mouseEnter

on mouseMove x,y
   if sObj = "" then pass mouseMove
   if x,y is not within the rect of sObj then
     hide fld "field1"
     put "" into sObj
   else
     show fld "field1"
   end if
end mouseMove

If your label fields are systematically named for the objects they 
identify then it shouldn't be too hard to figure out which label to hide.

You don't need a "mouseLeave" with this method.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon May 14 16:41:20 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:41:20 -0700
Subject: End of U3?
Message-ID: <4648C970.5020000@fourthworld.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
> So, U3 drives so that I can have students d/o demo's/shareware software
> not officially honkey-dorey by our IT folks (which is basically
> everything that is NOT MS Office...).
> 
> Am I mistaken?  Isn't that THE BIG THING about the U3 drives?  That you
> can run apps off them?

For as long as I've been working with Rev, it's been doing a great job 
of enabling delivery of portable apps on any drive.

U3 is just a clever way of using a Windows feature to launch a 
proprietary launcher.  When a locked volume is mounted on Windows, the 
OS will look for an autorun.inf file, and if present will look for the 
path to an app specified in that file and launch it if found.

U3 drives use this by being partitioned, with one partition being 
flagged as "read only" so the OS will look for the autorun.inf file, 
which on U3 drives points to the proprietary launcher.

Because it's dependent on a feature found only in Windows, the benefits 
of U3's dual-partitioned drives are only available on one OS -- Mac and 
Linux don't support anything like autorun (the last time Apple 
experimented with anything like it was more than a decade ago, and it 
was found to be a popular way to spread viruses so they discontinued the 
practice and aren't likely to resume it).

So while U3 is Windows-only, all flash drives can be used on all OSes, 
and Rev can deliver portable apps to run on any of 'em.

While we've heard about the large numbers of U3-compliant drives, 
remember that those still represent a minority of all flash drives -- 
your choice for non-U3 drives is vast, and generally cheaper than U3 
drives because they're cheaper to manufacture.

So if portability is your goal, as a Rev developer you can use any flash 
drive on the market.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon May 14 16:54:12 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:54:12 -0700
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
Message-ID: <4648CC74.50900@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:
>> >Given how few scientists also have Rev experience, is it necessary
>> >that the functions be written in Transcript? 
> 
> No - not necessary. For these sort of applications I think it is easy enough
> to allow people to script in any language they want by  organising a plugins
> folder with shell scripts - so you could use python, perl, SQL or whatever
> you have and are able to use. The thing is for novices it is easier to learn
> Transcript, and there is the speed advantage...

I dunno.  Lua and Python are pretty fast -- I like your suggestion 
there.  If one had an external to run those, they could leverage the 
great many existing libraries for those languages.

> The way I look at it is a slightly puzzled question to RunRevs strategy here
> - there would be no better way of getting a greater mind share for the
> RunRev IDE than alowing a bunch of tools to be created which demonstrate the
> simplicity and advantages of coding in Transcript over other scripting
> languages - this needs applications like this that give you the choice while
> providing an easy path to get into Rev scripting.

The current entry cost is as little as $49.  I'd guess that a bigger 
factor in adoption is that it's a proprietary sole-source system.  But I 
don't see that changing anytime soon.

Just for the record, I personally don't care whether the scriptLimits is 
10 lines, 15, 20, 25, or infinite.  If you can present a strong business 
case to RunRev for extending it to 25 I'd support that.

My interest in pursuing solutions that work within the existing 
framework is simply that it's what we have.  I'm assuming people have 
real needs and would like real solutions they could apply today.

We could postulate about possible different future implementations, and 
to the degree such efforts lead toward a business case presented to Rev 
it may be very helpful.

But in the meantime, I remain most interested in solving real-world 
problems with what's available right now.

If any of you need to provide a 4GL or 5GL for your users, lets explore 
that to see what can be done.

In my own apps I'm adding a 5GL of my own design, simpler and more 
focused on the task at hand than Transcript.  And for those who would 
want full Transcript capabilities, I'd be happy to sell a value-added 
package with RevMedia bundled with tools for our app, a simple win-win 
for all.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon May 14 16:57:39 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:57:39 -0700
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way
Message-ID: <4648CD43.6050806@fourthworld.com>

FWIW, I've been very impressed with the v2.8.1 beta cycle.  Regular 
updates, tons of bugs fixed, a few new features -- and you can't beat 
the price. ;)

I can understand a desire for more; I have my own mile-long wish list. 
But given the mandate for this version, I feel that both the product and 
the process have done a great job of meeting and even exceeding 
expectations here.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 14 17:01:19 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:01:19 -0500
Subject: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum
In-Reply-To: <4648C8D0.4090404@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <BBC9F1ED-D2EA-47E5-B1B8-98330AFB2B61@byu.edu>	<4648BA36.50308@hyperactivesw.com>	<08A241F0-A012-4E70-9429-735378570A17@byu.edu>	<92E320C0-B2E4-45E4-B34C-B4C8A064E6F9@byu.edu>
	<4648C8D0.4090404@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4648CE1F.5090304@hyperactivesw.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I might try something like this instead:
> 
> local sObj
> 
> on mouseEnter
>   if the name of the target contains "graphic" then
>     put the name of the target into sObj
>   end if
> end mouseEnter
> 
> on mouseMove x,y
>   if sObj = "" then pass mouseMove
>   if x,y is not within the rect of sObj then
>     hide fld "field1"
>     put "" into sObj
>   else
>     show fld "field1"
>   end if
> end mouseMove

I just tried it with multiple fields and graphics. You need this version:

local sObj

on mouseEnter
   if the name of the target contains "graphic" then
     if sObj <> "" then
       put last char of of the short name of sObj into tNum
       hide fld ("field"&tNum)
     end if
     put the name of the target into sObj
   end if
end mouseEnter

on mouseMove x,y
   if sObj = "" then pass mouseMove
   put last char of of the short name of sObj into tNum
   if x,y is not within the rect of sObj then
     hide fld ("field"&tNum)
     put "" into sObj
   else
     show fld ("field"&tNum)
   end if
end mouseMove

I'm afraid you do lose the fine distinction between "the rect" of the 
graphic and its actual outline, but the behavior comes close to what you 
want I think.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon May 14 17:19:10 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:19:10 -0600
Subject: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum
In-Reply-To: <4648CE1F.5090304@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <BBC9F1ED-D2EA-47E5-B1B8-98330AFB2B61@byu.edu>	<4648BA36.50308@hyperactivesw.com>	<08A241F0-A012-4E70-9429-735378570A17@byu.edu>	<92E320C0-B2E4-45E4-B34C-B4C8A064E6F9@byu.edu>
	<4648C8D0.4090404@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4648CE1F.5090304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <04F4D987-CAA1-427C-8026-0856FF667E76@byu.edu>


On May 14, 2007, at 3:01 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> J. Landman Gay wrote:
<snip>
>
> I just tried it with multiple fields and graphics. You need this  
> version:
>
> local sObj
>
> on mouseEnter
>   if the name of the target contains "graphic" then
>     if sObj <> "" then
>       put last char of of the short name of sObj into tNum
>       hide fld ("field"&tNum)
>     end if
>     put the name of the target into sObj
>   end if
> end mouseEnter
>
> on mouseMove x,y
>   if sObj = "" then pass mouseMove
>   put last char of of the short name of sObj into tNum
>   if x,y is not within the rect of sObj then
>     hide fld ("field"&tNum)
>     put "" into sObj
>   else
>     show fld ("field"&tNum)
>   end if
> end mouseMove
>
> I'm afraid you do lose the fine distinction between "the rect" of  
> the graphic and its actual outline, but the behavior comes close to  
> what you want I think.

In turns out all you have to do is use the within() function. That  
looks at the actual outline of the graphic instead of the rect. I  
didn't realize until today that the 'is within' operator and the  
'within()' function have this subtle difference. Very cool.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon May 14 17:28:05 2007
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:28:05 +0100
Subject: Tiny, but fast hardware for running Rev app
Message-ID: <4648D465.7050006@cogapp.com>

rgould8 at aol.com wrote:
 >   http://www.mini-tft.de/xtc-neu/index.php?cPath=1458w
 >
 >  http://www.mini-itx.com/
 >
 >
> I've been looking at really small PC hardware for running a Revolution app
 > on, but this hardware needs to run in a somewhat temperature-sensitive
 > environent, so I was hoping to investigate a "Flash-memory based hard-drive"
 > solution, or something without a spinning HD motor. Anyone have any favorite
 > hardware for such a feat? My basic needs are: Either USB or COM port for a
 > device that needs to send barcode data to this terminal, plus a monitor
 > output, plus a keyboard input.

I've done a project using Rev on solid state PCs using ITX boards, with 'solid 
state hard drives' and Windows XP embedded.  The solid state hard drives plug 
directly into the IDE sockets.  On our units we also had an IDE-CF adaptor, so 
the OS ran off the solid state drive, with data (which we needed to be able to 
swap easily on a daily basis) being read off the Compact Flash drives.  These 
machines were installed in cars (being driven off-road) so had to withstand 
considerable vibration, temperature variations, etc.  Ran headless (but we 
connected monitor and keyboard for debugging) and connected to GPS units over USB.

Worked great.

(We also tried installing Puppy Linux on one of the units and running that. 
This was fine except that we wanted to be able to mix and output several 
channels of audio, and Rev's Linux multimedia support is very backwards 
(please lend a vote to 
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2290>).  This was 
unfortunate as we could have saved about GBP 5000 in Windows licenses, and led 
to a fight to keep Rev on the project as the alternative development 
technology didn't have this problem.  However Rev's other advantages won out.)

We used a small company in the UK to manufacture these units (they had a 
special power system, and custom metalwork).  They were extremely helpful and 
gave excellent service.  Contact me off list if you want more info.

- Ben




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon May 14 17:35:35 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:35:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <4648C970.5020000@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705141414220.16025-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Richard,

Even though I am largely a Mac user, my students and my labs are largely
PC and hence I need ways to get around being locked out of allowing
downloads and installations of demos etc.

U3 *should* let me do that, right?

Judy

On Mon, 14 May 2007, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Judy Perry wrote:
> > So, U3 drives so that I can have students d/o demo's/shareware software
> > not officially honkey-dorey by our IT folks (which is basically
> > everything that is NOT MS Office...).
> >
> > Am I mistaken?  Isn't that THE BIG THING about the U3 drives?  That you
> > can run apps off them?
>
> For as long as I've been working with Rev, it's been doing a great job
> of enabling delivery of portable apps on any drive.
>
> U3 is just a clever way of using a Windows feature to launch a
> proprietary launcher.  When a locked volume is mounted on Windows, the
> OS will look for an autorun.inf file, and if present will look for the
> path to an app specified in that file and launch it if found.
>
> U3 drives use this by being partitioned, with one partition being
> flagged as "read only" so the OS will look for the autorun.inf file,
> which on U3 drives points to the proprietary launcher.
>
> Because it's dependent on a feature found only in Windows, the benefits
> of U3's dual-partitioned drives are only available on one OS -- Mac and
> Linux don't support anything like autorun (the last time Apple
> experimented with anything like it was more than a decade ago, and it
> was found to be a popular way to spread viruses so they discontinued the
> practice and aren't likely to resume it).
>
> So while U3 is Windows-only, all flash drives can be used on all OSes,
> and Rev can deliver portable apps to run on any of 'em.
>
> While we've heard about the large numbers of U3-compliant drives,
> remember that those still represent a minority of all flash drives --
> your choice for non-U3 drives is vast, and generally cheaper than U3
> drives because they're cheaper to manufacture.
>
> So if portability is your goal, as a Rev developer you can use any flash
> drive on the market.
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Managing Editor, revJournal
>   _______________________________________________________
>   Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon May 14 18:06:23 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:06:23 -0500
Subject: Tiny, but fast hardware for running Rev app
In-Reply-To: <4648D465.7050006@cogapp.com>
References: <4648D465.7050006@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705141506xb86c42at88995a4e4325b0f6@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/14/07, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:
>
>
> (We also tried installing Puppy Linux on one of the units and running
> that.
> This was fine except that we wanted to be able to mix and output several
> channels of audio, and Rev's Linux multimedia support is very backwards
> (please lend a vote to
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2290>).  This was
> unfortunate as we could have saved about GBP 5000 in Windows licenses, and
> led
> to a fight to keep Rev on the project as the alternative development
> technology didn't have this problem.  However Rev's other advantages won
> out.)


After all, you did give $10,000 to MS
For a project like that there are at least 2 other alternatives I can think
of-- other than using XP:

1) Hire an external developer to create the needed audio external or;
2) Pay RunRev to incorporate the feature ASAP into the next rev of Rev
They can be swayed by cash payments ;-)

-Chipp


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 14 18:18:06 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:18:06 -0500
Subject: mouseEnter-Leave conundrum
In-Reply-To: <04F4D987-CAA1-427C-8026-0856FF667E76@byu.edu>
References: <BBC9F1ED-D2EA-47E5-B1B8-98330AFB2B61@byu.edu>	<4648BA36.50308@hyperactivesw.com>	<08A241F0-A012-4E70-9429-735378570A17@byu.edu>	<92E320C0-B2E4-45E4-B34C-B4C8A064E6F9@byu.edu>	<4648C8D0.4090404@hyperactivesw.com>	<4648CE1F.5090304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<04F4D987-CAA1-427C-8026-0856FF667E76@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <4648E01E.7060306@hyperactivesw.com>

Devin Asay wrote:

> In turns out all you have to do is use the within() function. That looks 
> at the actual outline of the graphic instead of the rect. I didn't 
> realize until today that the 'is within' operator and the 'within()' 
> function have this subtle difference. Very cool.

Whoa, I didn't know that either! What a nice surprise. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon May 14 18:24:27 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:24:27 -0700
Subject: Tiny, but fast hardware for running Rev app
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705141506xb86c42at88995a4e4325b0f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4648D465.7050006@cogapp.com>
	<7aa52a210705141506xb86c42at88995a4e4325b0f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <490BFCCA-2554-438E-9CC4-00D5699476C9@canelasoftware.com>


On May 14, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> On 5/14/07, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> (We also tried installing Puppy Linux on one of the units and running
>> that.
>> This was fine except that we wanted to be able to mix and output  
>> several
>> channels of audio, and Rev's Linux multimedia support is very  
>> backwards
>> (please lend a vote to
>> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2290>).  This was
>> unfortunate as we could have saved about GBP 5000 in Windows  
>> licenses, and
>> led
>> to a fight to keep Rev on the project as the alternative development
>> technology didn't have this problem.  However Rev's other  
>> advantages won
>> out.)
>
>
> After all, you did give $10,000 to MS
> For a project like that there are at least 2 other alternatives I  
> can think
> of-- other than using XP:
>
> 1) Hire an external developer to create the needed audio external or;
> 2) Pay RunRev to incorporate the feature ASAP into the next rev of Rev
> They can be swayed by cash payments ;-)


I have high hopes that 2.9 is going to rectify this situation for  
future projects.


Best regards,
Mark Talluto

CANELA Software
31805 Hwy 79 S #791
Temecula, CA 92592
tel: (310) 483-9919
fax: (951) 302-0146
http://www.canelasoftware.com




From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Mon May 14 18:29:46 2007
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (ron)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:29:46 -0400
Subject: Intel crashing
In-Reply-To: <f1bpci$u4c$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <20070502170007.5E7EF489016@mail.runrev.com><4638D525.4070806@castandcrew.com><20070502154207338432.60c3b322@sonsothunder.com><463920D9.1040502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<20070502220926174957.7410f4db@sonsothunder.com>
	<f1bpci$u4c$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4b49ba195bab08e78e51e052051d238a@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Hi,

using 2.8.0 and OS 10.3.9

I have been making the transition from an iBook to a MacBook and run 
into a situation that results in a crash everytime. The app has menus 
in unicode and nonunicode chars. The File menu for example is 
nonunicode. Special menus that might have unicoded menuitems added to 
them, eg a 'Windows' menu, are unicoded. There are menubars in English 
and Japanese but lets just talk about the English.

When I opened the project in English, the nonunicode menu names were 
reversed. File was iFel followed by dEti followed by oTlos.

I tried to open the stack that contains the group of btns that form the 
menu and that immediately crashes Rev. I tried renaming the menus using 
the message box and then opening my menu stack and still crash.

Anybody else done this kind of stupid thing viz. combing unicode with 
nonunicode menus?

What I really need to know is what to do to open my stack so I can edit 
things and make them all unicode.

Thanks
Ron



From bvg at mac.com  Mon May 14 18:50:06 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 00:50:06 +0200
Subject: Intel crashing
In-Reply-To: <4b49ba195bab08e78e51e052051d238a@yhb.att.ne.jp>
References: <20070502170007.5E7EF489016@mail.runrev.com>
	<4638D525.4070806@castandcrew.com>
	<20070502154207338432.60c3b322@sonsothunder.com>
	<463920D9.1040502@hyperactivesw.com>
	<20070502220926174957.7410f4db@sonsothunder.com>
	<f1bpci$u4c$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<4b49ba195bab08e78e51e052051d238a@yhb.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <d71db845d7bcf502705aa65d37510495@mac.com>


On 15 May 2007, at 00:29, ron wrote:

> Hi,
>
> using 2.8.0 and OS 10.3.9

Are you 100% sure of using Mac OS 10.3.9 on a MacBook? I am pretty sure 
you need at least Mac OS 10.4.4 on intel machines.

As for your crash related to a menu: try to lock messages and set the 
"editMenus" of your stack to true. I also highly encourage you to 
submit your stack to the quality center, as crashes have the highest 
priority for fixing by RunRev.

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon May 14 18:54:41 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:54:41 -0700
Subject: Something to add to the Rev Docs
In-Reply-To: <4648E01E.7060306@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <BBC9F1ED-D2EA-47E5-B1B8-98330AFB2B61@byu.edu>	<4648BA36.50308@hyperactivesw.com>	<08A241F0-A012-4E70-9429-735378570A17@byu.edu>	<92E320C0-B2E4-45E4-B34C-B4C8A064E6F9@byu.edu>	<4648C8D0.4090404@hyperactivesw.com>	<4648CE1F.5090304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<04F4D987-CAA1-427C-8026-0856FF667E76@byu.edu>
	<4648E01E.7060306@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <2B7A6D02-FCE8-4E32-B598-640DC597062A@cox.net>

If the docs don't clearly spell this out, they should. Hopefully,  
this 2.9 with the Doc fixes can add something as "tiny", but  
important, as this.

Joe Wilkins

On May 14, 2007, at 3:18 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> In turns out all you have to do is use the within() function. That  
>> looks at the actual outline of the graphic instead of the rect. I  
>> didn't realize until today that the 'is within' operator and the  
>> 'within()' function have this subtle difference. Very cool.
>
> Whoa, I didn't know that either! What a nice surprise. :)
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon May 14 19:04:12 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 16:04:12 -0700
Subject: End of U3?
Message-ID: <4648EAEC.5020706@fourthworld.com>

Judy Perry write:
> Even though I am largely a Mac user, my students and my labs are largely
> PC and hence I need ways to get around being locked out of allowing
> downloads and installations of demos etc.
> 
> U3 *should* let me do that, right?

ANY removable drive will let you do that.

Whether an application requires installation on the hard drive isn't 
related to the drive, U3 or otherwise.  It depends on how the app is 
designed.

Traditionally, apps designed for installation on the hard drive may 
expect to write a preferences file on the drive, and may modify the 
registry to set up file type associations.  Those using VB or some other 
systems may also be dependent on any number of DLLs which will need to 
be installed in specific folders on the drive.

But an app can be designed not to need that stuff, to keep everything on 
the drive it's running on.  Since Rev standalones are self-contained, as 
long as they don't go out of their way to modify the system (prefs 
files, registry, etc.) they'll run from any removable media.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon May 14 19:06:40 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:06:40 -0600
Subject: Something to add to the Rev Docs
In-Reply-To: <2B7A6D02-FCE8-4E32-B598-640DC597062A@cox.net>
References: <BBC9F1ED-D2EA-47E5-B1B8-98330AFB2B61@byu.edu>	<4648BA36.50308@hyperactivesw.com>	<08A241F0-A012-4E70-9429-735378570A17@byu.edu>	<92E320C0-B2E4-45E4-B34C-B4C8A064E6F9@byu.edu>	<4648C8D0.4090404@hyperactivesw.com>	<4648CE1F.5090304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<04F4D987-CAA1-427C-8026-0856FF667E76@byu.edu>
	<4648E01E.7060306@hyperactivesw.com>
	<2B7A6D02-FCE8-4E32-B598-640DC597062A@cox.net>
Message-ID: <6E3CA896-D7E5-469B-8A00-2C4B68DED689@byu.edu>


On May 14, 2007, at 4:54 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> If the docs don't clearly spell this out, they should. Hopefully,  
> this 2.9 with the Doc fixes can add something as "tiny", but  
> important, as this.

Actually, in this case it was reading about 'within' in the docs (a  
term I probably haven't looked up since my HyperCard days) that  
tipped me off to this distinction. Who knew you could actually learn  
new stuff from the docs! ;-)

Devin

>
> On May 14, 2007, at 3:18 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> Devin Asay wrote:
>>
>>> In turns out all you have to do is use the within() function.  
>>> That looks at the actual outline of the graphic instead of the  
>>> rect. I didn't realize until today that the 'is within' operator  
>>> and the 'within()' function have this subtle difference. Very cool.
>>
>> Whoa, I didn't know that either! What a nice surprise. :)
>>
>> -- 
>> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>
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Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bvg at mac.com  Mon May 14 19:10:46 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 01:10:46 +0200
Subject: Something to add to the Rev Docs
In-Reply-To: <2B7A6D02-FCE8-4E32-B598-640DC597062A@cox.net>
References: <BBC9F1ED-D2EA-47E5-B1B8-98330AFB2B61@byu.edu>
	<4648BA36.50308@hyperactivesw.com>
	<08A241F0-A012-4E70-9429-735378570A17@byu.edu>
	<92E320C0-B2E4-45E4-B34C-B4C8A064E6F9@byu.edu>
	<4648C8D0.4090404@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4648CE1F.5090304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<04F4D987-CAA1-427C-8026-0856FF667E76@byu.edu>
	<4648E01E.7060306@hyperactivesw.com>
	<2B7A6D02-FCE8-4E32-B598-640DC597062A@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4c59a45b6218f298ab0dab08c7bb7977@mac.com>

On 15 May 2007, at 00:54, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> If the docs don't clearly spell this out, they should. Hopefully, this 
> 2.9 with the Doc fixes can add something as "tiny", but important, as 
> this.
>
> Joe Wilkins

They don't. Probably due to it always behaving like that, even in rev 
1.0 (dunno about hypercard). Yet, if you first read the "within" 
documentation, and then the "is within" documentation, you'll see that 
the differences are documented, there is just no explanation that they 
are not synonym, contrary to what most people would intuitively assume.
-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Mon May 14 20:14:16 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 01:14:16 +0100
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705141143i729c2937mb7e40997b0c8c471@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p062408a4c26cdfbae95a@192.168.1.101>
	<OFCB7E63D6.A885817B-ON852572DA.005A6838-852572DA.005B9C7F@sealedair.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131009o14071671xc246ed22cd7e2bf2@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705141103q5caf9bb7q95a96513112a0e49@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705141143i729c2937mb7e40997b0c8c471@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B659E118-4AE6-485D-8F02-188F2C766E5C@anachreon.co.uk>

Well, here are some that violate the Open Source GPL: http://gpl- 
violations.org/

Cheers,

Luis.



On 14 May 2007, at 19:43, David Bovill wrote:

> On 14/05/07, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>
>> Would that suppose we should never copy protect our applications  
>> as we can
>> use law to sue pirates? That said, I do agree with your 25 lines
>> restriction.
>
>
> Out of interest has anyone on this list had software pirated /
> re-engineered? I'd be interested to hear of any cases. End user  
> copying is
> very common - but I've not come across stories of someone or taking  
> an app
> and copying the code illegally to sell a derivative version, but  
> then I
> might just be being naive here? Go-on make me paranoid :)
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From katir at hindu.org  Mon May 14 20:18:28 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:18:28 -1000
Subject: Using Rev to Access MySql over the LAN
Message-ID: <4648FC54.5070309@hindu.org>

I am a dbase newbie and could use a little guidance.

Context: OSX Server (intel) and Intell Mac Book Pros on the LAN.

We are using Portfolio from Extensis for content management.
it builds a MySQL server and dbase on the back end on the
OSX serve we have and then remote clients on the LAN
talk to MySQL using OBDC which is running underneath
the Portfolio client app GUI.

We would like to build some GUI's in Rev
to talk directly to the same dbase on the server, for

a) some global operations (uploading data to records where the
Extensis UI is somewhat deficient)

b) some very specifically targeted GUI for reading data

I would normally just test access in a terminal session first
to see if things are working... but I don't know how.

our admin has SSH closed down... but I need a little
advice on how to make OSX serve, which has MySQL
running, set up to accept requests coming from
client machines on the LAN (I think that means
on the same subnet, but inside the firewall)

I'm not even sure if I am framing this query
clearly enough to get a clear answer :-)

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com




From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon May 14 20:47:03 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 17:47:03 -0700
Subject: Using Rev to Access MySql over the LAN
In-Reply-To: <4648FC54.5070309@hindu.org>
References: <4648FC54.5070309@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <p06240805c26ead5b7904@[192.168.1.103]>

Swami -- to see how MySQL works and to experiment, try the thin client

<http://www.versiontracker.com/php/dlpage.php?id=17838&db=mac&pid=34263&kind=&lnk=http%3A%2F%2Fcocoamysql.sourceforge.net%2Fbeta%2FCocoaMySQL_0.7b5.zip>CocoaMYSQL. 


http://www.versiontracker.com/php/dlpage.php?id=17838&db=mac&pid=34263&kind=&lnk=http%3A%2F%2Fcocoamysql.sourceforge.net%2Fbeta%2FCocoaMySQL_0.7b5.zip


this will help you get examine and change the data, if desired, as 
well as add extra tables. Also Import/export and SQL Dump and upload. 
And a window to directly enter SQL commands.

You could use a web based client, but I think this works better. The 
next level up for the mac would be thin client Navicat.

After getting the client installed, you can immediately play with the syntax.
There's a great documentation of MySQL at
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/index.html

REV
Sarah's stacks are most helpful to 'get' what's happening..
http://www.troz.net/Rev/tutorials.php

her stack MySQLtests.rev has some of the functionality of CocoaMySQL
and MySQL.rev is a simple command client, both built in Rev.



As far as working within Rev with MySQL - PLEASE check into Trevor's 
SQL library to save a lot of grief...

http://mangomultimedia.com/download/revolution/libDatabase/libDatabase_2.zip






>I am a dbase newbie and could use a little guidance.
>
>Context: OSX Server (intel) and Intell Mac Book Pros on the LAN.
>
>We are using Portfolio from Extensis for content management.
>it builds a MySQL server and dbase on the back end on the
>OSX serve we have and then remote clients on the LAN
>talk to MySQL using OBDC which is running underneath
>the Portfolio client app GUI.
>
>We would like to build some GUI's in Rev
>to talk directly to the same dbase on the server, for
>
>a) some global operations (uploading data to records where the
>Extensis UI is somewhat deficient)
>
>b) some very specifically targeted GUI for reading data
>
>I would normally just test access in a terminal session first
>to see if things are working... but I don't know how.
>
>our admin has SSH closed down... but I need a little
>advice on how to make OSX serve, which has MySQL
>running, set up to accept requests coming from
>client machines on the LAN (I think that means
>on the same subnet, but inside the firewall)
>
>I'm not even sure if I am framing this query
>clearly enough to get a clear answer :-)
>
>Sivakatirswami
>www.himalayanacademy.com

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -




From soapdog at mac.com  Mon May 14 21:02:24 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:02:24 -0300
Subject: Using Rev to Access MySql over the LAN
In-Reply-To: <4648FC54.5070309@hindu.org>
References: <4648FC54.5070309@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <A04D389F-07FE-4D9B-B422-5A851D1A5D9A@mac.com>

Aloha Swami,

why are you using ODBC at all, is portfolio forcing that? You can  
access mySQL with standard RevDB calls over socket connection.

Andre

On May 14, 2007, at 9:18 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> I am a dbase newbie and could use a little guidance.
>
> Context: OSX Server (intel) and Intell Mac Book Pros on the LAN.
>
> We are using Portfolio from Extensis for content management.
> it builds a MySQL server and dbase on the back end on the
> OSX serve we have and then remote clients on the LAN
> talk to MySQL using OBDC which is running underneath
> the Portfolio client app GUI.
>
> We would like to build some GUI's in Rev
> to talk directly to the same dbase on the server, for
>
> a) some global operations (uploading data to records where the
> Extensis UI is somewhat deficient)
>
> b) some very specifically targeted GUI for reading data
>
> I would normally just test access in a terminal session first
> to see if things are working... but I don't know how.
>
> our admin has SSH closed down... but I need a little
> advice on how to make OSX serve, which has MySQL
> running, set up to accept requests coming from
> client machines on the LAN (I think that means
> on the same subnet, but inside the firewall)
>
> I'm not even sure if I am framing this query
> clearly enough to get a clear answer :-)
>
> Sivakatirswami
> www.himalayanacademy.com
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon May 14 21:10:01 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 18:10:01 -0700
Subject: Using Rev to Access MySql over the LAN
In-Reply-To: <A04D389F-07FE-4D9B-B422-5A851D1A5D9A@mac.com>
References: <4648FC54.5070309@hindu.org>
	<A04D389F-07FE-4D9B-B422-5A851D1A5D9A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240806c26eb8ad2016@[192.168.1.103]>

Whoa, I didn't see the ODBC part! No, don't use ODBC!!! not needed.

sqb

>Aloha Swami,
>
>why are you using ODBC at all, is portfolio forcing that? You can 
>access mySQL with standard RevDB calls over socket connection.
>
>Andre
>
>On May 14, 2007, at 9:18 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>>I am a dbase newbie and could use a little guidance.
>>
>>Context: OSX Server (intel) and Intell Mac Book Pros on the LAN.
>>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From soapdog at mac.com  Mon May 14 22:04:27 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:04:27 -0300
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <B659E118-4AE6-485D-8F02-188F2C766E5C@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <p062408a4c26cdfbae95a@192.168.1.101>
	<OFCB7E63D6.A885817B-ON852572DA.005A6838-852572DA.005B9C7F@sealedair.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131009o14071671xc246ed22cd7e2bf2@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705141103q5caf9bb7q95a96513112a0e49@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705141143i729c2937mb7e40997b0c8c471@mail.gmail.com>
	<B659E118-4AE6-485D-8F02-188F2C766E5C@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <06251A56-2D56-4642-8E42-A3652E046C89@mac.com>

I had my first company (called macrowarp, silly name, I didn't choose  
it) bankrupt due to "piracy". It was a very specific case, we had a  
big contract for creating a web portal, it was very big so we devoted  
the whole company to it. We were going to earn about 25k USD, this  
was enough for the salaries and paying the financing of our machines  
and the rent. We used our reserves to keep floating while we  
fulfilled that contract. In the end, the contractor was trying to  
talk his way into paying less or paying later, one of our directors  
decided to try to show them a snapshot of the project so that they'd  
be happy with it and pay. They copied the snapshot, we never saw the  
money, portal went online and they hired a cheaper company owned by a  
relative of one of their employee to maintain it.

we were so broke that we didn't even had the money to sue. legal  
system in Brazil is so slow that can take many many years to solve  
something. We went bankrupt, closed the company. Weddings were  
cancelled, Universities abandoned. I was the one that suffered less,  
I just lost two computers and money. And the worst part was seeing  
the portal up and seeing my comments in the HTML.

This is not the standard case of piracy but it is piracy indeed. Most  
piracy of little sharewares don't hurt, they actually help to spread  
the product and if your software is good enough and priced right,  
even the pirates will buy it out of goodwill. This was big piracy... :-/

On the other hand, I was the first one to create a Blog client for  
the Macintosh, it was done in RB for MacOS 9. It was shareware and it  
sold well, never saw piracy but that would just give me more exposure  
I think.

andre



> On 14 May 2007, at 19:43, David Bovill wrote:
>
>> On 14/05/07, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Would that suppose we should never copy protect our applications  
>>> as we can
>>> use law to sue pirates? That said, I do agree with your 25 lines
>>> restriction.
>>
>>
>> Out of interest has anyone on this list had software pirated /
>> re-engineered? I'd be interested to hear of any cases. End user  
>> copying is
>> very common - but I've not come across stories of someone or  
>> taking an app
>> and copying the code illegally to sell a derivative version, but  
>> then I
>> might just be being naive here? Go-on make me paranoid :)
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon May 14 23:14:42 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:14:42 -0500
Subject: A challenge: adding months to a date?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705140504w59e9cc6ar8838619fe879f3e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705130819g4e595edcv73ccc48439d73db3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070513123807026145.a9795f3d@sonsothunder.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131106r7ca7203dg726502d9b7ec092c@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131118t4e457273pd760485e45a7c0fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070513151151926753.20da68e0@sonsothunder.com>
	<c1c5836b0705140440q5db9de3by17dd056e2cceda18@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705140504w59e9cc6ar8838619fe879f3e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070514221442179435.4d98238a@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 14 May 2007 13:04:49 +0100, David Bovill wrote:

> Does anyone know exactly what the convert is doing with the times? I
> modified Kens code so it also returns the best guess date as well as working
> out the month and year - that is if there is no exact match it return s the
> last day of that month....

All I can say is "don't worry about it"... As of Rev 2.8.1 if you 
convert a date without a time to a format that includes the time, it 
will always be 12:00 AM. Prior to 2.8.1, it was trying to take into 
account daylight savings time with a default time of 2:00am, 
adding/subtracting an hour to compensate. Glad that's gone in 2.8.1...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 15 03:41:00 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 00:41:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <4648EAEC.5020706@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705150037100.8963-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Yeah, I need apps that are designed to run around the end line, er,
whatever it's called.

I guess I've got all summer to try to figure it out :-D

As you say, I think I worry about the following:

> Traditionally, apps designed for installation on the hard drive may
> expect to write a preferences file on the drive, and may modify the
> registry to set up file type associations.  Those using VB or some other
> systems may also be dependent on any number of DLLs which will need to
> be installed in specific folders on the drive.

--Uhh, yeah.  I think that's what I'm worried about ;-)

> But an app can be designed not to need that stuff, to keep everything on
> the drive it's running on.  Since Rev standalones are self-contained, as
> long as they don't go out of their way to modify the system (prefs
> files, registry, etc.) they'll run from any removable media.

--but most don't, right??  Like, does Rev?  I have to admit that I never
tried; once I got the "no can do" dialogue from Win2K, I didn't go any
further.  My bad, I suppose.  I've got this week (read, tomorrow) to give
it the 'old college try'  ;-)

Judy




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue May 15 03:55:26 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:55:26 +0100
Subject: Has the Community Beta lost its way?
Message-ID: <200705150855.26611.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Just one observation:  as far as Linux users are concerned, it has not yet 
started.  Now, if you're on Mac or Windows, apart from the fairly small 
limitation of not being able to compile in 2.7 mode for Linux, you are 
basically OK.  You might have issues about quality, but you're getting 
updates.

If you're on Linux, you are not.  You are on 2.6.1 and you don't have the alt 
stuff.

I understand why, its a small organization and its doing what it can.  And 
maybe from a Windows or Mac user point of view its not an important issue.  
Maybe its just something the Linux people have to live with.

But in the context of, how are we doing as Rev, its getting to be a real 
quality issue.  As they used to say when I was in manufacturing:  change the 
output, or change the standard.  

The one thing you must not do is have standards which are different from your 
output...

Peter


From katir at hindu.org  Tue May 15 04:20:02 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 22:20:02 -1000
Subject: Using Rev to Access MySql over the LAN
In-Reply-To: <p06240806c26eb8ad2016@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <4648FC54.5070309@hindu.org>	<A04D389F-07FE-4D9B-B422-5A851D1A5D9A@mac.com>
	<p06240806c26eb8ad2016@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <46496D32.8080702@hindu.org>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> Whoa, I didn't see the ODBC part! No, don't use ODBC!!! not needed.


Extensis Portfolio client app is using ODBC.. but the MySQL dbase that
is built by the Extensis Portfolio server is just a standard MySQL dbase
and in theory we should be able to connect over the LAN on port
3306.

i.e yes. we  should be able to (and Extensis Tech Suppor confirms)
just connect directly with MySQL on the server directly without OBDC

And yes it's my intention to use a RevDB UI, but
the Varuna is not "listening" on that port.

I need to do some more testing.


> sqb
> 
>> Aloha Swami,
>>
>> why are you using ODBC at all, is portfolio forcing that? You can 
>> access mySQL with standard RevDB calls over socket connection.
>>
>> Andre
>>
>> On May 14, 2007, at 9:18 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>>
>>> I am a dbase newbie and could use a little guidance.
>>>
>>> Context: OSX Server (intel) and Intell Mac Book Pros on the LAN.
>>>
> 

-- 
Om shanti
(In  Peace)

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com

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From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Tue May 15 05:21:01 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:21:01 +0100
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [part 1]
Message-ID: <EFFCDE93-78A3-4517-8ACC-5A5A9E5B6BE7@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

Hi Ken,

(I'm going to address this to you, but obviously most of this is just  
aimed at a public debate).

> Mark Waddingham has personally responded to virtually all the  
> questions and
> bug-related posts on the Improve list

I put it to you that the love-fest to be found in the improve list  
might not be an experience shared by those who are not members of  
that group.    Kudos to Mark for being so responsive to you guys.

> But to say that
> the overall effort of the Community Beta has 'lost its way' primarily
> because a specific bug that most likely affects a very small  
> percentage
> of the Rev community is overstating things IMHO.

The point isn't that bug 3196 has not been fixed.  It's about a  
situation where a long-standing, reported, well-proven bug  was being  
allowed to remain, 6 months into a Beta test program that was  
specifically supposed to remove these long-standing bugs.  Trying to  
get the attention of the bug-squashing process met with a resounding  
silence -- exactly the situation that Bill Marriott was complaining  
about so loudly last October.

In the past few weeks I've written to the list about this bug,  
written to the relevant forum, written to the Bug-Meister himself,  
and updated the bug report in Bugzilla.  Until I 'overstated it', I  
got zero response.  That's a rather different experience to your  
experience.

It's great that Bill is collecting information about satisfaction  
levels from participants of the Community Beta.  However, if someone  
has already lost interest in the Beta and in Rev, are they really  
going to bother filling in Bill's survey?  In fact, I let that survey  
sit in my inbox for days before I bothered to complete it, because to  
me the whole thing has seemed like a futile, empty, time-wasting  
exercise.  And I'm one of the people who in the past has loudly  
challenged those who proclaimed that Rev was buggy but who were not  
going to take an active part in trying to make it better.

Tonight I had a look at who was the original poster of bug 3196, to  
see why they have been so quiet in all this.  In October 2006, a  
whole year after logging this bug, he wrote to the list to say he was  
going to stop using Rev because he was so dissatisfied.  And there  
have been no posts from him since, so I guess that means he followed  
through with that decision.  Don't you think that there might be  
quite a few others who would give up on Rev before they got so far as  
to 'overstate' things and get some attention?  Most dissatisfied  
customers will walk away rather than make a fuss

As to the "small percentage of the Rev community" affected by this  
bug: it affects any OS X user who needs to programmatically interact  
with the many Unix userland tools and applications found on their  
OS.   Searching my Rev mail list archive for the last 4 years brings  
up 99 posts related to "open process" on OS X, and the vast majority  
of these posts are from luminaries of this list.   Furthermore, I put  
it to you that there would have been even more posts concerning this,  
if people realised what it meant to have this working i.e. once they  
saw what people were doing with this technique.  (When I first  
brought up this long-standing bug on the list a few weeks ago, one of  
the best x-talkers wrote to me privately to ask for more information  
about what is possible using "write to process".  That makes me think  
it probable that there has not been much interest in this particular  
bug because most of the Mac Rev users have a history from Classic  
where "write to process" was quite alien.)  There might also have  
been more interest in this issue if the Dictionary didn't explicitly  
tell us that we shouldn't use "write to process" on OS X, and that we  
should use shell() instead.  In simple scenarios, shell() will work,  
but it is by no means an adequate substitute beyond the most simple  
cases. And unlike many other bugs, there is no workaround for this.   
It _is_ a blocker (and I'm _not_ the one who categorized it as such  
in Bugzilla - it's had that status for at least 18 months).

[part 2 to follow]




From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Tue May 15 05:21:10 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:21:10 +0100
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [part 2]
Message-ID: <0A60652A-6916-4EA1-9AB1-3DC941243C66@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

[continued]

I'm disappointed that people are focusing on how many people might  
have been affected by this particular bug, rather than wondering if  
perhaps the bug-squashing process is not going so well for those  
people outside of the Improve list.    Six months into what is being  
trumpeted as the best beta-process Runrev has ever had, should it  
really have taken upwards of 9 actions (and several hours of my  
time), just to get _any_ response to an 18-month-old bug report that  
was clearly receiving no attention?     Meanwhile in this blissful  
silence of non-communication, the Quality Manager is sending out  
emails saying they are "intending to shake out the last bugs prior to  
making this the official, retail version", which is "ready to ship  
[...] unless we find a [..] significant feature failure".   Earth  
calling Bill Marriott: Bug 3196 is a significant feature failure.

And bug 3196 is not the only one.

There are 50 other significant, outstanding, _confirmed_ bugs (i.e.  
those with a status of 'critical' or 'blocker').   It's true that  
Bugzilla lists 324 bugs which have been fixed since January 1st this  
year.  I'm very glad to see that so many bugs have been squashed.   
But by my estimation, a very significant minority of those bug-fixes  
are to do with the incorporation of the ex-Altuit products.  Of  
course, it is great for those users who had not previously bought  
those products, to now have them incorporated into 2.81.   But I  
maintain that it has been a distraction to have grouped the  
incorporation of those products into the Open Community Beta.

I'm not saying I expect every bug to have been fixed.  But I do think  
that this Beta has lost its way when the Quality Partner sends out  
multiple emails about removing the last few bugs and how there are no  
significant "feature failures", when there are still more than 50  
outstanding, confirmed, significant bugs.  Trying to draw his  
attention to one of these critical bugs was a total failure,  
consuming hours of my time.   Once again, it's a case of Runrev  
having no idea about how to set expectations -- all I got was more  
emails telling me how there are no more significant bugs, when  
staring me in the face was a bug, which at at the end of last year I  
had every reason to believe would have been fixed by now.

A few people have written lengthy emails to me in private, saying  
that they are glad that I brought up this issue.  To my surprise they  
are far more dissatisfied with the Community Beta than me, and some  
of them are seriously disenchanted with Revolution in general.  One  
of them has told me that he is part of a group of Rev users who are  
collectively in the process of looking at alternative development  
environments.  They must have their own reasons for not wanting to  
discuss these things on the list any longer.   I hope that my loud  
and dogged stance on this matter will give them some reason to stay  
and speak up.

I'm not saying that the release of 2.8.1 should be held up whilst the  
bug that particularly concerns me is fixed.  But I am saying that  
Runrev need to seriously address the ways in which they consistently  
mislead people -- Linux is coming in 2.7; no, it's coming in the  
2.7.5 beta; no, it's coming in the 2.9 beta; prove you have a bug,  
we'll fix it; there are no more significant feature failures; the  
Altuit products will be available in January 2007; version 2.7.5 will  
be a free update - no, it's version 2.9 that will be free  ....  I  
could go on and on.  I'm a huge fan of Revolution, but I'm frustrated  
by what seems to me to be a very poor management style.  If one sets  
expectations too high, one guarantees disappointment.

At the absolute minimum, there should have been a continually updated  
list showing the fixed bugs and the oustanding bugs, and explaining  
why decisions were made.  If by January I'd known that bug 3196 would  
require a total re-write of the OS X engine (maybe that is what is  
required), and that because of that requirement the bug had to wait  
until there were a group of bugs requiring that level of attention, I  
would have had my expectations properly set.   Such a list might have  
encouraged others to persist in making bug reports, knowing that the  
process was rational and measurable.


Regards

Bernard



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue May 15 05:14:46 2007
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:14:46 +0100
Subject: Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?
References: 464885B0.1030206@cogapp.com
Message-ID: <46497A06.2000201@cogapp.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Is it possible that ODBC support is being phased out on the Mac?

No, not at all.  There's plenty of ODBC software working on the Mac - it's
just more recent versions of Rev, at least in my experience, have this broken.
  This is why I'm unable to move most of my development work off Rev 2.6.1.

> Is there a point where upgrading the server might be more cost effective?
> Or is this something that you can't control?

I need to connect to client's database servers running SQL Server; and build
tools for Mac-using clients to connect to their organisation's SQL Server servers.

> The idea of "middleware" for database access always gave me the creeps...

As far as I know there are no direct drivers on the Mac for SQL Server; only
middleware (eg ODBC, JDBC).


Roger.E.Eller wrote:

> I haven't tried accessing MS-SQL from Rev since 2.6.x, but it worked after
> installing the "Actual" driver. It costs only $29.95 and worked quite well.
> You can try it for free, but it will only return 3 lines from a query until
> you acquire a license.

I did try the Actual drivers three years ago (since they're a third of the
cost of the openlink ones - not important for one installation, but if you're
client wants a dozen, it makes a difference).   I could make it work using the
  driver with various test apps, but not with Rev 2.2 (see bug Bugzilla #1557,
which on the basis of your experience must have been fixed).

Your suggestion inspired me to downlaod and try the current Actual drivers.
Unfortunately, after installing this, the Actual driver doesn't work at all
(even just in the ODBC Administrator) - and the installation seems to have
trashed my OpenLink setup!  Aaargh.

But thanks both for taking the time to reply.

Meanwhile, is there anybody out there connecting to SQL Server over ODBC using
any version of Rev since 2.7.1, succesfully or otherwise?

TIA,

- Ben




From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 15 05:42:43 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:42:43 +0100
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [part 2]
In-Reply-To: <0A60652A-6916-4EA1-9AB1-3DC941243C66@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
References: <0A60652A-6916-4EA1-9AB1-3DC941243C66@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <C4A0493C-AAB9-4F97-94AF-3C07A493877E@azurevision.co.uk>

I'm not going to comment on the rest as I don't have a strong opinion  
either way, but:

On 15 May 2007, at 10:21, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> version 2.7.5 will be a free update - no, it's version 2.9 that  
> will be free

 From what I remember of the renaming, version 2.9 *IS* what was  
previously called 2.7.5.

Ian


From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue May 15 05:51:32 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:51:32 +0200
Subject: Rotating fields?
Message-ID: <000a01c796d6$9fa29ab0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello,

I would like to have a field with non editable text rotated by 90, so that I
get vertical text.

As far as I've seen yet I can only rotate images. Is there any trick to
rotate a field?

The last workaround would be to create an image with the vertical text :(

Any other solutions out there?

Thank you

Tiemo

 

 

 



From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Tue May 15 05:52:22 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:52:22 +0200
Subject: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
Message-ID: <464982D0.9E5B5621@club-internet.fr>

 Hi list,

How do you guys play Flash movies in Rev players on Windows
without QT ?

Thanks,
JB



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 15 05:56:08 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:56:08 +0100
Subject: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
In-Reply-To: <464982D0.9E5B5621@club-internet.fr>
References: <464982D0.9E5B5621@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <448905B6-2FED-4487-B2A9-EE9DD631A22E@azurevision.co.uk>

altBrowser is probably your best bet.

Ian

On 15 May 2007, at 10:52, jbv wrote:

> How do you guys play Flash movies in Rev players on Windows
> without QT ?



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 15 06:01:55 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:01:55 +0100
Subject: Rotating fields?
In-Reply-To: <000a01c796d6$9fa29ab0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000a01c796d6$9fa29ab0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <C386E394-9099-4EF2-905F-53E06256DF60@azurevision.co.uk>


On 15 May 2007, at 10:51, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> I would like to have a field with non editable text rotated by 90,  
> so that I
> get vertical text.

> The last workaround would be to create an image with the vertical  
> text :(

Images and graphics only, as far as I know, so a snapshot of the  
field looks like it's your only bet. :-(

Ian


From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Tue May 15 06:13:14 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:13:14 +0200
Subject: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
References: <464982D0.9E5B5621@club-internet.fr>
	<448905B6-2FED-4487-B2A9-EE9DD631A22E@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <464987B3.646C6082@club-internet.fr>



Ian ,

> altBrowser is probably your best bet.
>

Mmmh... don't think so...

I'm asked to build a front end app that will launch flash movies
but "no QT installer" and "no browser" are the main requests...

JB



From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue May 15 06:13:53 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:13:53 +0200
Subject: AW: Rotating fields?
In-Reply-To: <C386E394-9099-4EF2-905F-53E06256DF60@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000f01c796d9$be649180$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks Ian, That's what I thought :(
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Ian Wood
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2007 12:02
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Rotating fields?
> 
> 
> On 15 May 2007, at 10:51, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > I would like to have a field with non editable text rotated by 90,
> > so that I
> > get vertical text.
> 
> > The last workaround would be to create an image with the vertical
> > text :(
> 
> Images and graphics only, as far as I know, so a snapshot of the
> field looks like it's your only bet. :-(
> 
> Ian
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 15 06:38:07 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:38:07 +0100
Subject: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
In-Reply-To: <464987B3.646C6082@club-internet.fr>
References: <464982D0.9E5B5621@club-internet.fr>
	<448905B6-2FED-4487-B2A9-EE9DD631A22E@azurevision.co.uk>
	<464987B3.646C6082@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <18B13D0A-53E8-4E55-AB67-980D2FFB9AB0@azurevision.co.uk>

On 15 May 2007, at 11:13, jbv wrote:

> Ian ,
>
>> altBrowser is probably your best bet.
>
> Mmmh... don't think so...
>
> I'm asked to build a front end app that will launch flash movies
> but "no QT installer" and "no browser" are the main requests...

Given that Rev has no native support for Flash files, QT or an  
embedded browser window are the only options I can think of. Not that  
QT would help for FLV files anyway...

You might be able to get some info from Jiro Harada (http://www.f- 
ab.net/) who wrote a Rev app using a custom Netscape plug-in.

Ian


From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 15 06:40:50 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:40:50 +1000
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [any part]
References: <EFFCDE93-78A3-4517-8ACC-5A5A9E5B6BE7@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <004501c796dd$837043e0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

Hi,

You know - this kind of thing really gets my goat.  I'm going to explain why 
presently and I'm going to give examples using other IDE's and compilers to 
support why it gets my goat, plus I'm going to ruffle some feathers, but I'm 
an Aussy and that's what we do best <vbg>.  From time to time on this list 
we see people having a go at RunRev yet I wonder how much they really know 
about what goes into writing and IDE and compiler let alone writing one to 
run on three major (and several minor) platforms?  I've found Rev to be a 
wonderful product.  It has flaws - heck so do I!  <g>  But all round it's 
pretty solid for the average developer doing the average developer "thing". 
Anybody fired up RealBasic (better named RealBugs IMHO) recently?  It's a 
total joke compared to the stability of Rev and I'm not even running the 
newest version of Rev I'm still on 2.6.1.

It has been a pleasure (and shall continue to be a pleasure) to associate 
with many of the wonderful people on this list and the people at RunRev as 
well.  Heather is an angel - I don't know how she keeps her cool and I'm a 
moderator on Usenet of ten years!  RunRev are also *incredibly* genorous, I 
can't (and will not) give details on some of their genourosty but that has 
been my experience of them.  When fellow developers ask (and I know over a 
thousand of them as a member of several associations) about cross platform 
tools I recommend Rev in an instant.  Sure it's a different paradigm than 
most are used to but compared to RB, Trolltech or the incredibly clumsy 
offerings from Apple (if you want to code in C++) it's a gem.

Having said that let's take a look at some of those examples of other IDE's 
that I work in on a weekly basis:

RealBasic - actually I know longer work in it because it is a total joke in 
my experience.

Borland Delphi - I've worked in Delphi since Beta 1 1994.  I love Object 
Pascal and Delphi - yet there are bugs that date to Version 2 that have 
*not* been fixed.  This is from a *huge* development company (compared to 
RunRev) and yet those bugs remain unfixed.  It's at version TEN!.  Why?  See 
further down.

Borland C++ Builder - same company and yep it's based on Delphi code and it 
inherits the bugs from Delphi 2.

Microsoft Access - to many bugs to list!!!!!!

Microsoft Visual Basic - pick a verison!!

Revolution.  I put it in the same experience as the one I've had for Delphi. 
If I want to do something straight forward and not low level I choose Rev. 
If I want to do something complex - like writing direct to the audio card 
then I'd choose Delphi or C++ Builder.  But for most projects these days Rev 
fits the bill because *it just works*.  I've been working on one project for 
two years and hope to bring it to conclusion this year and it's 100% Rev and 
it's lean and efficient despite it's use of 3D graphics and extensive audio. 
Rev gets the credit for this - not me.

Economic pragamatism - it applies to politics too.  You can please some of 
the people some of the time but generally you've got to keep your eye on the 
ball and the ball is where they dollars are and that's with general feature 
sets and tools that appeal and solve the problems of the average developer - 
simple.  How many of us developers (beyond those writing code in a corporate 
situation) add or fix bugs rarely used by our user base as a priority?  How 
many of use can justify doing this?  If one answers honestly in an 
application of reasonable complexity the answer is going to be very few. 
There simply isn't enough money or time to work on every one - so the most 
used or most requested (read desired) issues are worked on first.  Thinking 
that it should be any different - as commercial developers - is 100% 
unrealistic, unfair and down right mean spirited. Rather than blasting away 
on a list frequented potentially by people who are new to Rev and possibly 
development of software in general (and therefore easily scared off) is *no* 
answer to any problem.  If this was the software written by one of us here 
we'd be outraged that somebody would do such a thing to us - so why 
shouldn't the same measure be applied to RunRev?  Respect is earned and 
RunRev have certainly earned respect.   *None* of us are perfect and none of 
us live in an ideal bug free world.  The *only* solution to these kind of 
issues is direct with RunRev, IMHO any other form of reponse is amatuer at 
best and potentially damaging at worst to what is a respectable company 
worthy of our support and assistance where we can give it.

Flames can be directed to bitbucket at cdroo.com   Reasonable discussion of 
course is welcome.

Scott Kane



From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Tue May 15 06:42:19 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:42:19 +0100
Subject: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
Message-ID: <567EF642-2ACB-491F-B9DD-185DF1B4AB2D@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

You could search the archive for some posts by Jiro Harada.  He  
announced that he wrote an external to play Flash inside a Rev  
stack.  IIRC, it relied on Java being installed, and he reported it  
working on the Mac and Windows.

This is his URL:
http://www.f-ab.net/


Bernard


From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Tue May 15 08:38:59 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:38:59 +0100
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [any part]
Message-ID: <1409320B-7803-4B0C-8AFE-0DAE307A74C9@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

Well, Scott.  Thanks for sharing your experience of development  
environments with us.  How sad that you think you will be flamed.  I  
certainly don't want this to be a flame-fest.  I want to improve the  
way that Rev works.

I too have a wide experience of development tools - I have a degree  
in CS and I first started programming in Fortran on mainframes in  
1980. And for some tasks I choose Revolution, for others Python, for  
others Java.  When I decide that Rev is not the appropriate tool, I  
use a tool that is more appropriate.   For some things Rev is the  
only tool I currently have that will do the job.

> the most used or most requested (read desired) issues are worked on  
> first.

That's not quite true.  Hence my accusation that the Community Beta  
has lost its way.

I have been a member of this list for about 4 or 5 years, and I am  
NOT one of the people who has ranted on and on about bugs.   In fact,  
the last time I posted anything as long as this to the list, it was  
to object to someone who moaned endlessly about bugs, but wouldn't  
even bother to log them in Bugzilla.

Over the years I have experienced minor bugs in Rev - they have been  
irritations but almost without exception I've been able to work round  
them, and I wouldn't say that Rev has noticeably more bugs than any  
other development tool I use.   I have Studio licenses for OS X,  
Windows and Linux, paid up for the next 2 years in advance.   Unlike  
Runrev's Quality Control Partner, I do NOT think that the way to get  
Runrev to fix bugs is to starve them of funds.

The Open Community Beta was announced with great fanfare, and I  
publicly welcomed it.  It led me to expect that some long-standing  
bug-reports that I had been waiting to be fixed would finally receive  
treatment.  I patiently waited throughout the Open Community Beta,  
only to find that my most important blocking bug has been deemed not  
important enough, and it was probably bumped out by the introduction  
of the Altuit products, which already existed (and many of us --  
including me -- already owned licenses to them).

When something in Rev has not worked for four years, but has been  
shown to be a bug, and I cannot work round it, what am I supposed to  
do?  I can guarantee that if there was an ancient bug in Rev that  
stopped your 2 year project, and that bug had been shunted out of the  
way, you would be much less sanguine.  Or maybe not - you have  
multiple GUI toolkits to choose from.  I don't - Rev is my only GUI  
toolkit.

> Respect is earned and RunRev have certainly earned respect.

I think you mean "Respect is earned and RunRev have certainly earned  
MY respect."  You have some special individual circumstances that  
endear them to you.  The fact that you allude to this shows that  
really you know that you are in some kind of special relationship  
with them.  Clearly for you, they are doing something right.   I  
could mention the names of several long-time Rev/Metacard developers  
who want the absolute minimum to do with Runrev the company.   And  
then there are the other users who have slipped away more silently.

I'm suggesting to Runrev that they stop doing something that is wrong.

> The *only* solution to these kind of issues is direct with RunRev,  
> IMHO any other form of reponse is amatuer at best

Sometimes an organisation has to be publicly shamed before something  
is done.  But thanks for the insult anyway (maybe that's why you're  
expecting a flame fest).  My previous private communications with  
Runrev are precisely what has led me to have so little respect for  
them and their ability to set expectations.   And in case you haven't  
been paying attention - bug 3196 had received NO attention until I  
made this more generalized critique.  If there had been any feedback  
from Runrev at all during the last 6 months about which severe bugs  
they were deciding to ignore, I may have decided some months back to  
look into alternative tools.  I specifically recommended they do this  
so that people would have an idea of what to expect from this Beta.

Anyway, I'm not going to waste any more time on this.  I've learned  
the hard way to set my own expectations of Runrev, and sadly they are  
decidedly lower than they were 6 months ago.

Regards,

Bernard






From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 15 09:11:50 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:11:50 +1000
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [any part]
References: <1409320B-7803-4B0C-8AFE-0DAE307A74C9@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <00c101c796f2$9be61e30$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bernard Devlin" <revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 10:38 PM
Subject: Re: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [any part]


> Well, Scott.  Thanks for sharing your experience of development 
> environments with us.  How sad that you think you will be flamed.  I 
> certainly don't want this to be a flame-fest.  I want to improve the  way 
> that Rev works.

I suspect you missed the point of the list.  It's not about me it's about 
the tools.  AFA flaming goes - it's a joke that may have been obscure, 
though anybody who knows me on Usenet would probably get it.

> I too have a wide experience of development tools - I have a degree in CS 
> and I first started programming in Fortran on mainframes in  1980.

I did not intend this to be a "look at me" exercise.  I did not start in 
Fortran on mainframes in 1980.  I started in machine code (that and direct 
hex entry) in 1986 on the now gone National Semi-Conductor Datachecker DTS 
500 series terminals.  Before that I admit to use BASIC.   The point of the 
list was to show software that has bugs by *****huge**** companies and in 
one case from version 2 - 10 the same bugs exist.

<sigh>  Nothing like a developer to get all upity with the old ego.

>And for some tasks I choose Revolution, for others Python, for  others 
>Java.  When I decide that Rev is not the appropriate tool, I  use a tool 
>that is more appropriate.   For some things Rev is the only tool I 
>currently have that will do the job.

Which is pretty much what I was saying..........................

> That's not quite true.  Hence my accusation that the Community Beta has 
> lost its way.

No my statement is absolutely true of any development company who intends to 
stay in business.

> I have been a member of this list for about 4 or 5 years, and I am  NOT 
> one of the people who has ranted on and on about bugs.   In fact,  the 
> last time I posted anything as long as this to the list, it was  to object 
> to someone who moaned endlessly about bugs, but wouldn't  even bother to 
> log them in Bugzilla.

Well you have two years seniority on this list to me.  But that does not 
alter one bit the fact that it is bad form to dis' a company on a public 
email list.  If I can put it this way - on forums I run I've banned posters 
for less.  I have no influence here - but it illustrates how I feel about 
angry missives that accuse companies of henious crimes with very little if 
any justrification.

> Over the years I have experienced minor bugs in Rev - they have been 
> irritations but almost without exception I've been able to work round 
> them, and I wouldn't say that Rev has noticeably more bugs than any other 
> development tool I use.   I have Studio licenses for OS X,  Windows and 
> Linux, paid up for the next 2 years in advance.   Unlike  Runrev's Quality 
> Control Partner, I do NOT think that the way to get  Runrev to fix bugs is 
> to starve them of funds.

Another side swipe at Rev.  I can't see what part of "disrespect" you don't 
get.  I made a couple of spelling errors in my post (darn schpell chezcker) 
but I think the content was clear enough.

> The Open Community Beta was announced with great fanfare, and I  publicly 
> welcomed it.  It led me to expect that some long-standing  bug-reports 
> that I had been waiting to be fixed would finally receive  treatment.  I 
> patiently waited throughout the Open Community Beta,  only to find that my 
> most important blocking bug has been deemed not  important enough, and it 
> was probably bumped out by the introduction  of the Altuit products, which 
> already existed (and many of us --  including me -- already owned licenses 
> to them).

But is the public list the right place?  That is the thrust of my missive. 
I believe the name of this list is "How To Use Revolution".  Nowhere in the 
title have I seen "How to moan about Revolution".  I'm simply stating that 
this is not the right place.  On top of that I'm stating that it's 
unrealistic to expect any development company to fix every issue every user 
wants fixed, whether you are coding in Fortran on a mainframe or on a 
PC/Mac.

> When something in Rev has not worked for four years, but has been  shown 
> to be a bug, and I cannot work round it, what am I supposed to  do?  I can 
> guarantee that if there was an ancient bug in Rev that  stopped your 2 
> year project, and that bug had been shunted out of the  way, you would be 
> much less sanguine.  Or maybe not - you have   multiple GUI toolkits to 
> choose from.  I don't - Rev is my only GUI  toolkit.

I believe the channel has been pointed out to you, yet you still keep on 
about it here - tonight.  Hence my post.

> I think you mean "Respect is earned and RunRev have certainly earned  MY 
> respect."

No.  I wrote what I meant.

>You have some special individual circumstances that  endear them to you. 
>The fact that you allude to this shows that  really you know that you are 
>in some kind of special relationship  with them.  Clearly for you, they are 
>doing something right.   I  could mention the names of several long-time 
>Rev/Metacard developers  who want the absolute minimum to do with Runrev 
>the company.   And  then there are the other users who have slipped away 
>more silently.

Absolute total and complete rubbish.  I have no special relationship with 
anybody in RunRev.  In fact I have no special relationship with anybody in 
the RunRev community.  My point is this is a decent company and they are 
being treated indecently by you with your continued posts on this subject to 
this list.  It's pretty simple really.

> I'm suggesting to Runrev that they stop doing something that is wrong.

Maybe - but this is not the right forum.

> Sometimes an organisation has to be publicly shamed before something  is 
> done.

Oh right!  Yeah - that makes sense!  <ROFL >

> But thanks for the insult anyway (maybe that's why you're  expecting a 
> flame fest).

It's not actually an insult.  It's basic decency and what used to be termed 
good manners.

>My previous private communications with  Runrev are precisely what has led 
>me to have so little respect for  them and their ability to set 
>expectations.

And again a public list is not the place for it.  Even more so when it is 
after all their list.

>And in  case you haven't  been paying attention - bug 3196 had received NO 
>attention until I  made this more generalized critique.  If there had been 
>any feedback from Runrev at all during the last 6 months about which severe 
>bugs  they were deciding to ignore, I may have decided some months back to 
>look into alternative tools.  I specifically recommended they do this  so 
>that people would have an idea of what to expect from this Beta.

I would not call the bug you are referring to as necessary severe in terms 
of what most developers are doing with Rev.  While I do acknowledge it may 
be severe for what *you* are doing with the product.  We clearly are not 
going to see eye to eye on this however my main point is complex software 
has holes - this email list is not the place to use those holes as a weapon 
in a fit or rage, frustration or any other emotion.  It's for helping 
people - and most people here do just that.  Other issues should be directed 
to RR themselves - especially when they are somewhat heated in their content 
(i,e, accusatory)

> Anyway, I'm not going to waste any more time on this.  I've learned  the 
> hard way to set my own expectations of Runrev, and sadly they are 
> decidedly lower than they were 6 months ago.

I'd have to say, from what I've seen on this list, that you may well be in 
the minority in this....


Scott Kane
"There are two ways of being deceived.  One is to believe that which is not
true.  The other is to not believe that which is true." S?ren Aabye
Kierkegaard



From wjm at wjm.org  Tue May 15 09:48:35 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:48:35 -0400
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [any part]
References: <1409320B-7803-4B0C-8AFE-0DAE307A74C9@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <f2cdnd$sse$1@sea.gmane.org>

Bernard,

> My previous private communications with  Runrev are precisely what has led 
> me to have so little respect for  them and their ability to set 
> expectations.   And in case you haven't  been paying attention - bug 3196 
> had received NO attention until I  made this more generalized critique.

I find it increasingly ironic that the apparent trigger for this campaign of 
yours was a request from me to beta members to help identify remaining 
outstanding issues that needed special attention. Forget that such a request 
didn't have to be made. You replied to the request, and contrary to your 
claims it definitely got the "special attention" you wanted, as it is marked 
in a special internal field set up for the purpose in the RQCC and is in 
another database we're using to strategize/organize how to tackle those 
issues.

How is this is anything except you being upset about not getting the 
response you expected to a particular email on a single bug? 





From heather at runrev.com  Tue May 15 10:10:11 2007
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:10:11 +0100
Subject: 'Community Beta' has lost its way [any part]
In-Reply-To: <f2cdnd$sse$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <1409320B-7803-4B0C-8AFE-0DAE307A74C9@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
	<f2cdnd$sse$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <40011D16-EDCF-40CC-A9AC-9046AB4DCE56@runrev.com>

Ok folks, lets drop this now.

Bernard, we have heard and noted your feelings on this issue. Scott,  
Ken, Richard, Chipp, thanks for the good words. Its nice to get the  
odd word of praise when we are working so hard on something. Peter  
Alcibiades, yes, indeed, Linux is vital and is coming in 2.9. We'll  
get a beta for you to get your teeth into just as soon as we are able.

I'd like to end this thread on a note of appreciation. Without all  
your participation, Bills leadership, and the whole bag of tricks  
from all of you including criticism in measure, 2.8.1 would not be  
half as good as it is, and 2.9 would not have a hope of being the  
fantastic release it is going to be.

End of thread please.

Regards,

Heather

Wearing The Listmom Hat.

On 15 May 2007, at 14:48, Bill Marriott wrote:

> Bernard,
>
>> My previous private communications with  Runrev are precisely what  
>> has led
>> me to have so little respect for  them and their ability to set
>> expectations.   And in case you haven't  been paying attention -  
>> bug 3196
>> had received NO attention until I  made this more generalized  
>> critique.
>
> I find it increasingly ironic that the apparent trigger for this  
> campaign of
> yours was a request from me to beta members to help identify remaining
> outstanding issues that needed special attention. Forget that such  
> a request
> didn't have to be made. You replied to the request, and contrary to  
> your
> claims it definitely got the "special attention" you wanted, as it  
> is marked
> in a special internal field set up for the purpose in the RQCC and  
> is in
> another database we're using to strategize/organize how to tackle  
> those
> issues.
>
> How is this is anything except you being upset about not getting the
> response you expected to a particular email on a single bug?
>
>
>
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Heather Nagey
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Runtime Revolution Ltd
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Tue May 15 10:09:56 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:09:56 +0200
Subject: XMLHttpRequest object and Rev cgi
Message-ID: <4649BF32.3D9CBE63@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

Is it possible to use the XMLHttpRequest object in javascript (and
especially the xmlhttp.open() function) to get data from a Rev cgi
script (that returns XML data built on-the-fly) without facing a
"permission denied" problem ?

Thanks,
JB



From soapdog at mac.com  Tue May 15 10:15:43 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:15:43 -0300
Subject: XMLHttpRequest object and Rev cgi
In-Reply-To: <4649BF32.3D9CBE63@club-internet.fr>
References: <4649BF32.3D9CBE63@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <8E28BC20-B44F-46E4-A5F4-A1C829563440@mac.com>

JBV,

fetch my RevHTTP on http://www.andregarzia.com/RevHTTP.zip it has an  
ajax demo that does that. I am using the prototype library which in  
the end relies on XMLHttpRequest object, it works just fine

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/lexicon

Our lexicon works using that too and calling Rev CGI. I do think  
however that you can't open connection to a different server...

Andre


On May 15, 2007, at 11:09 AM, jbv wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> Is it possible to use the XMLHttpRequest object in javascript (and
> especially the xmlhttp.open() function) to get data from a Rev cgi
> script (that returns XML data built on-the-fly) without facing a
> "permission denied" problem ?
>
> Thanks,
> JB
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue May 15 10:51:28 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:51:28 -0700
Subject: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
In-Reply-To: <18B13D0A-53E8-4E55-AB67-980D2FFB9AB0@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <464982D0.9E5B5621@club-internet.fr>
	<448905B6-2FED-4487-B2A9-EE9DD631A22E@azurevision.co.uk>
	<464987B3.646C6082@club-internet.fr>
	<18B13D0A-53E8-4E55-AB67-980D2FFB9AB0@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240807c26f78f831b5@[192.168.1.103]>

What's the big deal about FLV? In my limited experience, the movies 
look like garbage next to Quicktime and they're LARGER. Horrible.

>On 15 May 2007, at 11:13, jbv wrote:
>
>>Ian ,
>>
>>>altBrowser is probably your best bet.
>>
>>Mmmh... don't think so...
>>
>>I'm asked to build a front end app that will launch flash movies
>>but "no QT installer" and "no browser" are the main requests...


-- 


stephen barncard
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Tue May 15 11:05:11 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:05:11 +0200
Subject: XMLHttpRequest object and Rev cgi
References: <4649BF32.3D9CBE63@club-internet.fr>
	<8E28BC20-B44F-46E4-A5F4-A1C829563440@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4649CC23.40CF615B@club-internet.fr>



Andre,

Many thanks for the quick response.

> . I do think
> however that you can't open connection to a different server...

And actually the source of my problem was that a mismatched
between relative URLs was considered as an attempt to connect
to a different server...

Thanks again for all the code examples,
JB



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue May 15 11:20:42 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 09:20:42 -0600
Subject: Rotating fields?
In-Reply-To: <000a01c796d6$9fa29ab0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000a01c796d6$9fa29ab0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <2EB2967F-F75D-4F48-A210-6F3A4E446323@byu.edu>


On May 15, 2007, at 3:51 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I would like to have a field with non editable text rotated by 90,  
> so that I
> get vertical text.
>
> As far as I've seen yet I can only rotate images. Is there any  
> trick to
> rotate a field?
>
> The last workaround would be to create an image with the vertical  
> text :(
>
> Any other solutions out there?

Last year Scott Rossi made available a typically amazing stack,  
called textSpinner, that does just what you want. It actually does  
create an image from the text on the fly and rotates it to an angle  
you choose. Get it by entering in the message box:

go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/textspinner.rev"

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From soapdog at mac.com  Tue May 15 11:23:47 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:23:47 -0300
Subject: XMLHttpRequest object and Rev cgi
In-Reply-To: <4649CC23.40CF615B@club-internet.fr>
References: <4649BF32.3D9CBE63@club-internet.fr>
	<8E28BC20-B44F-46E4-A5F4-A1C829563440@mac.com>
	<4649CC23.40CF615B@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <C8B49E44-B578-4245-B130-43BB4BD78EFF@mac.com>

JB,

just for the future, in case you need to fetch data from another  
server, you can make a simple cgi that will just pick a http request  
and forward to another server acting like a proxy. This way you'll be  
able to build mashups without dealing with cross browser security  
issues :-)

andre

On May 15, 2007, at 12:05 PM, jbv wrote:

>
>
> Andre,
>
> Many thanks for the quick response.
>
>> . I do think
>> however that you can't open connection to a different server...
>
> And actually the source of my problem was that a mismatched
> between relative URLs was considered as an attempt to connect
> to a different server...
>
> Thanks again for all the code examples,
> JB
>
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From robmann at gp-racing.com  Tue May 15 12:22:37 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:22:37 -0400
Subject: standalone revexternalLibrary error
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAA4XUqXqeKhEn5l1DWlvpTQBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

When I open the standalone I get this error

"Kernel_win32_Release.dll was not found"

 

 

 

I also have this in a preopenstack handler

 

IF the environment is not "development" THEN

         IF "Valentina for Revolution" is not among the lines of the
externalpackages of stack "revExternalLibrary" THEN

             answer "The Valentina external was not loaded by the runtime
engine."

           END IF

End if

 

Which is displaying?  The Valentina external was not loaded by the runtime
engine

 

In the standalone settings I have the following selected

Ask dialog checked

Answer dialog checked

Cursors checked

 

"Database"

Valentina2

Valventina

 

"script libraries"

Geometry

Printing

Valentina2

 

Remove all profiles on objects checked

 

What am I missing to get this standalone to run?

 

Thanks

Rob



From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Tue May 15 12:42:03 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:42:03 +0300
Subject: standalone revexternalLibrary error
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAA4XUqXqeKhEn5l1DWlvpTQBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <C26FBD8B.72F84%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 15/5/07 7:22 PM, "Robert Mann" <robmann at gp-racing.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

> When I open the standalone I get this error
> 
> "Kernel_win32_Release.dll was not found"

Have you follow this steps:

http://www.valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=paradigma:public:en:documen
tation:v4rev:manual:deployment:deployment


-- 
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VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue May 15 12:46:03 2007
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:46:03 +0100
Subject: Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?
Message-ID: <4649E3CB.30004@cogapp.com>

As an update, after reinstalling the OpenLink drivers, I now have both 
OpenLink and Actual DSNs working with Rev 2.6.1.  The Actual one also works in 
Rev 2.8.1; the OpenLink one does not.

So the problem is limited to Rev 2.7.2 or later, with the OpenLink driver.

(That's good, because there's a workaround.  It is unfortunate for the clients 
who I persuaded to pay three times as much per seat, for the OpenLink driver 
instead of the Actual one, because Rev 2.2 bombed using the Actual driver; who 
now, if I'm to use the latest Rev to update their app, would need to buy a new 
driver and go through the installation again on each machine.)

Anyway, thanks for the replies,

- Ben




From robmann at gp-racing.com  Tue May 15 12:49:15 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:49:15 -0400
Subject: standalone revexternalLibrary error
In-Reply-To: <C26FBD8B.72F84%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAABE/o+kVWvxCikCYSdnc/4YBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

Thank you forgot about this

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Ruslan
Zasukhin
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 12:42 PM
To: use-revolution
Subject: Re: standalone revexternalLibrary error

On 15/5/07 7:22 PM, "Robert Mann" <robmann at gp-racing.com> wrote:

Hi Robert,

> When I open the standalone I get this error
> 
> "Kernel_win32_Release.dll was not found"

Have you follow this steps:

http://www.valentina-db.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=paradigma:public:en:documen
tation:v4rev:manual:deployment:deployment


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue May 15 13:11:34 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:11:34 -0700
Subject: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
In-Reply-To: <464987B3.646C6082@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <C26F37D6.259C2%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, jbv wrote:

>> altBrowser is probably your best bet.
>> 
> 
> Mmmh... don't think so...
> 
> I'm asked to build a front end app that will launch flash movies
> but "no QT installer" and "no browser" are the main requests...

How does using altBrowser constitute using a browser when it is part of a
stack that you can design any way you want?  How would anyone know that
you're using a browser-based engine to display Flash content and why would
this matter anyway?  Last I checked, Flash is designed to run as a
standalone process (no player needed) or in a Web browser.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From toolbook at kestner.de  Tue May 15 13:11:56 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:11:56 +0200
Subject: AW: Rotating fields?
In-Reply-To: <2EB2967F-F75D-4F48-A210-6F3A4E446323@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <004101c79714$24b80bd0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks Devin, it's always amazing how simple good solutions can be!
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Devin Asay
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2007 17:21
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Rotating fields?
> 
> 
> On May 15, 2007, at 3:51 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I would like to have a field with non editable text rotated by 90,
> > so that I
> > get vertical text.
> >
> > As far as I've seen yet I can only rotate images. Is there any
> > trick to
> > rotate a field?
> >
> > The last workaround would be to create an image with the vertical
> > text :(
> >
> > Any other solutions out there?
> 
> Last year Scott Rossi made available a typically amazing stack,
> called textSpinner, that does just what you want. It actually does
> create an image from the text on the fly and rotates it to an angle
> you choose. Get it by entering in the message box:
> 
> go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/textspinner.rev"
> 
> Devin
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue May 15 13:26:59 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:26:59 +0200
Subject: applescript - do script
Message-ID: <0631DEFE-F89E-4F67-ADDF-77630F5091B6@ezpzapps.com>

I looked at the applescript dictionary for my Rev 2.7.4 application
and it had:
do script v : Execute Revolution script

So, I tried telling my application to do the following as a simple  
test from the
applescript script editor:

tell application "MyApp"
	activate
	do script  "quit"
end tell


When I run that applescript it complains with a syntax error about  
the word "script".

Can I write an applescript that will tell a Rev app script to run?
Anyone have an example or a tip for me?

tia,
sims





From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 15 13:33:26 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:33:26 +0100
Subject: applescript - do script
In-Reply-To: <0631DEFE-F89E-4F67-ADDF-77630F5091B6@ezpzapps.com>
References: <0631DEFE-F89E-4F67-ADDF-77630F5091B6@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <28F89525-B847-4FA5-B0F1-5A4A72CE1679@azurevision.co.uk>


On 15 May 2007, at 18:26, Jim Sims wrote:

> When I run that applescript it complains with a syntax error about  
> the word "script".
>
> Can I write an applescript that will tell a Rev app script to run?
> Anyone have an example or a tip for me?

There's an issue with some of the newer versions not including some  
package or other that allows the AppleScript commands to work.  
Copying the file form older apps was supposed to work.
I don't remember the exact details but it was discussed on the list  
about a year ago.

Ian


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 15 13:47:18 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 10:47:18 -0700
Subject: End of U3?
Message-ID: <4649F226.7040203@fourthworld.com>

Judy Perry wrote:
>> But an app can be designed not to need that stuff, to keep everything on
>> the drive it's running on.  Since Rev standalones are self-contained, as
>> long as they don't go out of their way to modify the system (prefs
>> files, registry, etc.) they'll run from any removable media.
> 
> --but most don't, right??  Like, does Rev?

That's a good question. I would imagine RunRev has a U3 version, and if 
they've done that much work it's far easier to make one that'll run on 
any flash drive.  I couldn't find either on the Download page, though -- 
anyone know if that's in the works?

For apps that are known to be portable, the directory at 
PortableApps.com is a good starting point:

<http://portableapps.com/apps>


-- 
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  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
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From soapdog at mac.com  Tue May 15 14:02:17 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:02:17 -0300
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <4649F226.7040203@fourthworld.com>
References: <4649F226.7040203@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <46709494-DF1E-49AE-BE1F-FB86DF47B848@mac.com>

>

portableapps.com always felt like a hack for me. It uses NDIS (or  
some other acronym) wrapper to hack around the folders tricking the  
enclosed executable to think it is writting to one place when it is  
actually writting to someplace else like the removable media folder.  
This solves some issues but it brings other problems.

Let us go to the important problems (IMHO):
* Removable media is slow. If your app does a lot of file juggling or  
is very disk based, you'll see performance penalty, specially if  
you're using cheap no brand pendrives.
* Limited writting life of flash drives. You can't write on them  
forever, they have a limit and they will fail. I don't think a  
pendrive can stand like a year of heavy use but some application that  
access the disk too much. I can't quote on the limits but they exist.

Good portable apps are designed to be portable from the start, not  
hacked afterward with some tricky folder-phantomizing-tool. Portable  
apps should load all data they need and run from RAM without touching  
the disk, or only touching the disk when it needs to save permanent  
data. This will not only save your precious pendrive but also run way  
faster than some disk happy tool.

And if you're designing your app to be portable from the start, you  
don't need U3. You can build your own launcher. You can join the U4  
yahoo group and help the efforts. U3 good side is not the technology  
but the marketing, it gave apps exposure and a portal that the user  
could navigate and find stuff. I don't like portableapps.com but it  
gives you exposure and lots of users, from a marketing standpoint it  
is cool, from a tech standpoint it feels like a hack to me.

also, their portableapps menu never worked on win98 or win2000 for me.

andre

> That's a good question. I would imagine RunRev has a U3 version,  
> and if they've done that much work it's far easier to make one  
> that'll run on any flash drive.  I couldn't find either on the  
> Download page, though -- anyone know if that's in the works?
>
> For apps that are known to be portable, the directory at  
> PortableApps.com is a good starting point:
>
> <http://portableapps.com/apps>
>
>
> -- 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue May 15 14:05:22 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:05:22 +0200
Subject: applescript - do script
In-Reply-To: <28F89525-B847-4FA5-B0F1-5A4A72CE1679@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <0631DEFE-F89E-4F67-ADDF-77630F5091B6@ezpzapps.com>
	<28F89525-B847-4FA5-B0F1-5A4A72CE1679@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <45DBA9B2-E374-4FF2-82DA-EF7DABE3B829@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

The issue mentioned by Ian should have been solved, as you can read  
here:

<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/90973>

I tried to run Jim's little AppleScript script and it appears that  
something is wrong with standalones. Revolution is able to run the  
syntax sent by the do script command, but a standalone is not.

I have reported the problem to QC. Please add your comments here:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4970>

Best,

Mark

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Op 15-mei-2007, om 19:33 heeft Ian Wood het volgende geschreven:

>
> On 15 May 2007, at 18:26, Jim Sims wrote:
>
>> When I run that applescript it complains with a syntax error about  
>> the word "script".
>>
>> Can I write an applescript that will tell a Rev app script to run?
>> Anyone have an example or a tip for me?
>
> There's an issue with some of the newer versions not including some  
> package or other that allows the AppleScript commands to work.  
> Copying the file form older apps was supposed to work.
> I don't remember the exact details but it was discussed on the list  
> about a year ago.
>
> Ian


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Tue May 15 14:20:55 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:20:55 -0400
Subject: Connect to SQL Server via ODBC on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <46497A06.2000201@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <OF007D9170.3857F9E0-ON852572DC.0062DAD8-852572DC.0063C47C@sealedair.com>

Ben Rubinstein wrote:
> Your suggestion inspired me to downlaod and try the current Actual
drivers.
> Unfortunately, after installing this, the Actual driver doesn't work at
all
> (even just in the ODBC Administrator) - and the installation seems to
have
> trashed my OpenLink setup!  Aaargh.
>
> But thanks both for taking the time to reply.
>
> Meanwhile, is there anybody out there connecting to SQL Server over ODBC
using
> any version of Rev since 2.7.1, succesfully or otherwise?
>
> TIA,
>
> - Ben

Ben, I am sorry that it trashed your setup. Thinking back, I believe we
were running Panther when we tried it. Even though it worked, the cost was
a factor too since we had 100+ users, so we went with MySQL instead.

Even MySQL access via Rev has been broken in versions newer than 2.6.1
(including the latest 2.8.x release candidates), so we haven't moved
foreward. One thing I have determined is that where the Rev MySQL queries
once were NOT case-sensitive for table names, etc., they now ARE. And of
course this breaks existing stacks that were working fine in 2.6.1 (even if
they shouldn't have been).

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue May 15 14:10:50 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:10:50 -0700
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <46709494-DF1E-49AE-BE1F-FB86DF47B848@mac.com>
References: <4649F226.7040203@fourthworld.com>
	<46709494-DF1E-49AE-BE1F-FB86DF47B848@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240809c26fa7ab23a9@[192.168.1.103]>

And there is a BIG difference between USB 1 and 2.. USB 2 can 
approach Firewire400 speeds...

>Let us go to the important problems (IMHO):
>* Removable media is slow. If your app does a lot of file juggling 
>or is very disk based, you'll see performance penalty, specially if 
>you're using cheap no brand pendrives.
>
>andre
>



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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 15 14:15:51 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:15:51 -0500
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <4649F226.7040203@fourthworld.com>
References: <4649F226.7040203@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4649F8D7.8060901@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Judy Perry wrote:
>>> But an app can be designed not to need that stuff, to keep everything on
>>> the drive it's running on.  Since Rev standalones are self-contained, as
>>> long as they don't go out of their way to modify the system (prefs
>>> files, registry, etc.) they'll run from any removable media.
>>
>> --but most don't, right??  Like, does Rev?
> 
> That's a good question. I would imagine RunRev has a U3 version, and if 
> they've done that much work it's far easier to make one that'll run on 
> any flash drive.  I couldn't find either on the Download page, though -- 
> anyone know if that's in the works?

Building a U3 app is part of the standalone builder, just tick a 
checkbox. There's no separate download.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Tue May 15 14:25:15 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:25:15 -0300
Subject: [OT] BRAZIL: HEAVEN OR HELL?
Message-ID: <4649FB0B.6010903@howsoft.com>

For those who have not read it, I would like to recommend once again my 
article at:-
http://www.bobsite.org/brazil/
- particularly the early section headed "*Alternative Perception" and 
the examples of simple dialogues where people very easily drive one 
another nuts through debate.

The point about the title is that Brazil is both heaven AND hell, just 
like Runtime Revolution: two contradictory perceptions of the same 
reality are present, and denial of either one of them leads to madness.

Personally, I am very happy to see alternative perceptions on this 
UR-List, and I am not at all upset when people demonstrate their 
emotions - positive or negative. For me, the recent debate about bugs 
was enormously enriching.

Bob



*


From soapdog at mac.com  Tue May 15 14:29:35 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:29:35 -0300
Subject: applescript - do script
In-Reply-To: <45DBA9B2-E374-4FF2-82DA-EF7DABE3B829@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <0631DEFE-F89E-4F67-ADDF-77630F5091B6@ezpzapps.com>
	<28F89525-B847-4FA5-B0F1-5A4A72CE1679@azurevision.co.uk>
	<45DBA9B2-E374-4FF2-82DA-EF7DABE3B829@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <227767FA-8FD2-4762-B4DC-AE1B60DC90CA@mac.com>

Lack of AETE resources or broken .plist inside the standalone bundle  
is my guess.

Probably the standalone is missing the .plist that binds the "do  
script" command with the internal routine.

I just checked and the script editor (the applescript editor) can't  
open the dictionary for revolution standalones, I think it is missing  
the AETE resource or whichever tech they use this days for setting  
the apple event terminology gizmo

I also checked with Sdef Editor (wonderful script terminology editor,  
freeware) and it can't find terminology/dictionary for standalones  
but it can find them for Revolution, so my guess is that it is  
missing from the standalone engine or it is not copied when the  
building is done.

just my two brazilian cents (which are measured in nanocents when  
relating to other currencies)


On May 15, 2007, at 3:05 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The issue mentioned by Ian should have been solved, as you can read  
> here:
>
> <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/90973>
>
> I tried to run Jim's little AppleScript script and it appears that  
> something is wrong with standalones. Revolution is able to run the  
> syntax sent by the do script command, but a standalone is not.
>
> I have reported the problem to QC. Please add your comments here:
>
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4970>
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk
> Consultancy and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store  
> software. Download at http://www.salery.biz
>
> Op 15-mei-2007, om 19:33 heeft Ian Wood het volgende geschreven:
>
>>
>> On 15 May 2007, at 18:26, Jim Sims wrote:
>>
>>> When I run that applescript it complains with a syntax error  
>>> about the word "script".
>>>
>>> Can I write an applescript that will tell a Rev app script to run?
>>> Anyone have an example or a tip for me?
>>
>> There's an issue with some of the newer versions not including  
>> some package or other that allows the AppleScript commands to  
>> work. Copying the file form older apps was supposed to work.
>> I don't remember the exact details but it was discussed on the  
>> list about a year ago.
>>
>> Ian
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 15 14:46:34 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:46:34 -0700
Subject: End of U3?
Message-ID: <464A000A.8080107@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

 > Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> Judy Perry wrote:
 >>...does Rev?
 >>
 >> That's a good question. I would imagine RunRev has a U3 version,
 >> and if they've done that much work it's far easier to make one
 >> that'll run on any flash drive.  I couldn't find either on the
 >> Download page, though -- anyone know if that's in the works?
 >
 > Building a U3 app is part of the standalone builder, just tick
 > a checkbox. There's no separate download.

I had the impression Judy was asking about Rev itself.

Does it run from a flash drive, or does it require installation on a 
hard drive?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May 15 14:53:02 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:53:02 -0500
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <46709494-DF1E-49AE-BE1F-FB86DF47B848@mac.com>
References: <4649F226.7040203@fourthworld.com>
	<46709494-DF1E-49AE-BE1F-FB86DF47B848@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705151153x13bfa6eic53732b5778f65f@mail.gmail.com>

>From a private email I sent to Lynn,

While I know that question wasn't directed at me, I thought I'd chime in
with an answer. I actually found the U3 spec, device and organization
difficult to work with. I started a dialog with them which never finished,
even after repeated requests to them.

As Richard says, Rev is already out of the box more capable than most in
creating portable apps. In fact, all my apps I release for clients and
Altuit are now 'portablized.' This means they can run and update themselves
including self-healing, all from a standard USB drive.

There are a number of difficulties with standard apps trying to become
'portable.'

1) They may have frequent disk access which can wear on a USB drive. Rev
doesn't typically have this problem as it is RAM based.

2) They require sophisticated installs including registry edits and special
files placed in special folders all over the place (Program Files, My
Documents, App folder, etc.). While Rev can access these file & folder
locations, it's not necessary for Rev to work. Rev has full support for
registry entry and removal.

3) They may require specific "Dynamic Linked Libraries" (DLLs) to run. This
is the case for VB, .NET, Flash and other RAD tools, but not necessary for
Rev.

The job over at portableapps.com is to remove many of these dependencies.
It's really not necessary to do so with Rev-- just a bit of smart thinking
up front.

best,
Chipp


From soapdog at mac.com  Tue May 15 14:56:48 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:56:48 -0300
Subject: [OT] BRAZIL: HEAVEN OR HELL?
In-Reply-To: <4649FB0B.6010903@howsoft.com>
References: <4649FB0B.6010903@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <B6001A6D-F38E-4EAB-819D-D47604DC8E89@mac.com>

Bob,

thanks for the essay, it's hard to come by texts that doesn't picture  
brazilians being carnival lovers, football dream players, cheaters in  
general, heavy coffee drinkers.

You go deep to think a problem that everyone knows and we all pretend  
it's not in there. And you live in dream lands (floripa!), situation  
in Rio is beyond warfare, Statistics show that in one single year in  
Rio and S?o Paulo more people are killed than in vietnam or something  
crazy like that.

I plan to move south too, where a person can still go out at night  
and trust he will come home later.

On the other side, there's nothing more creative than brazilians,  
solving problems by thinking outside of the box is the standard  
brazilian practice. In a country where careful planning and  
scientific thinking is shunned in favor of intuition and "let's try  
this way! where's your spirit of adventure!"-felling. Once I saw a  
guy in a jeep with a problem in the engine where not enough gas was  
being pumped into the thing when the car was on a cliff, the guy took  
the water of the windshield clearing thingy and inserted gasoline in  
that thing, cut the tube to the windshield and moved the tube to some  
other part of the engine, so when he was on the cliff and there was  
not enough gas, he could just "clean the windshield like a  
madman!!!!" and pump more casoline into the engine. He arrived safe  
home, he is viewed as a very smart guy and that is the standard  
brazilian way of solving things (hack around them).

he documented the procedure and put it online, it works for toyota  
jeeps from 1981, he own cumpliments of the jeep club for his  
"scientific achievement in favor of all jeep owners that were once  
stopped at a high cliff and the betterment of mankind" or something  
like that.

(my cs teacher used a stethoscope in old harddrives and machines to  
diagnose problems, but thats another history of brazilian ways)

andre


On May 15, 2007, at 3:25 PM, Bob Warren wrote:

> For those who have not read it, I would like to recommend once  
> again my article at:-
> http://www.bobsite.org/brazil/
> - particularly the early section headed "*Alternative Perception"  
> and the examples of simple dialogues where people very easily drive  
> one another nuts through debate.
>
> The point about the title is that Brazil is both heaven AND hell,  
> just like Runtime Revolution: two contradictory perceptions of the  
> same reality are present, and denial of either one of them leads to  
> madness.
>
> Personally, I am very happy to see alternative perceptions on this  
> UR-List, and I am not at all upset when people demonstrate their  
> emotions - positive or negative. For me, the recent debate about  
> bugs was enormously enriching.
>
> Bob
>
>
>
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From katir at hindu.org  Tue May 15 14:57:15 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:57:15 -1000
Subject: Grep -- How to match segment containing many lines
In-Reply-To: <20070512183744219491.c6f81ccc@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C26B36F1.45F5D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com> <46462D5B.7030401@hindu.org>
	<20070512183744219491.c6f81ccc@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <464A028B.20004@hindu.org>

I went into production with the script below where. The benchmark on this
I thought was impressive, so I thought to share it:

The fld "findChunk" has the grep string:

(?s)<div id="container">(.*?)<div id="intro">

the fileList has a list of paths already chosen for files to be operated on.
in this case 647  files.

Intel mac running the rev app over   100 baseT opening files
on an OSX intel server over the LAN.

Ok so I thought to myself "Hmmm replaceText... this is going to be slow...
If I do this in BBEdit, on a multi-file search and replace, I would go 
for tea...
let's see how Rev does on this new platform."

open, replaceText, save and close

647 interations, 22 seconds!

I had 3 other unique replacements to make on those files,
Job done in 1 min 20 seconds.

The longest part of the operation was running a script to
use FTP to upload all those to the web server... of course
that ran in the background.

next production job will be a complete update of the web design
at www.hinduismtoday.com  where the same operation
will be done on 3287 files...
-------

on mouseUp

## Warnings!
   answer "This is very dangerous! If you are unsure of yourself, stop 
now! do the S n R on a single file and check your work!" with "OK" or 
"Cancel"
   if it is  "Cancel" then exit to top
   put empty into fld "pau"
   if  (the hilight of btn "Use Result List" = "false") then put empty 
into fld "resultList"
   answer "Are you sure? This operation is irreversible."&cr&\
   "If you are nervous be sure to have a back up!" with "Yes, just do 
it!" or "No"
   if it is "No" then exit MouseUp
   set the cursor to busy

## Get find and replace strings

   put fld "findChunk" into tSearchString
   put fld "replaceChunk" into tReplaceString

## get paths to files

if the hilight  of btn "Use Result List" then
     put fld "resultList" into tFileList
   else
     put fld "fileList" into tFileList
   end if

## Read, do SnR, save

  repeat for each line y in tFileList
     put url ("file:"&y) into theFileData


   if the hilite of btn "Use Grep" then
      put fld "replaceChunk" into tReplaceString
       put fld "findChunk" into tFindString
      put replaceText(theFileData,tFindString,tReplaceString) into 
theFiledata
   else
     replace tSearchString with tReplaceString in theFileData
   end if

     put theFileData into  url ("file:"&y)

   end repeat
   put "Pau!" into fld "Pau"

end mouseUp



Ken Ray wrote:
>> does it... and I found the section in the BBEdit help on
>> "Perl-Style Pattern Extensions"  where all this is
>> explained...
>>
>> "s       allow. to match \r"
>>
>> Marvelous!  The unintuitive part is that this pattern
>> or "toggle" must begin the entire expression.
> 
> For more on how Rev handles it, go to www.pcre.org/man.txt, which is 
> the documentation on the PCRE library that Rev uses for regex handling.
> 

-- 
Om shanti
(In  Peace)

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com

Get Hinduism Today Digital Edition. It's Free!
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 15:09:02 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:09:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: HDV, DVD and other video formats . . .
Message-ID: <897516.1743.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well, before we are all drowned under a flood of
Blu-Ray discs and so forth:-

I had another of my midnight fantasies where I merrily
programmed (in RunRev) a front end for small children
to access selected bits of a DVD in either a local or
networked DVD drive . . .

So; presumably just now it cannot be done

[Hm, ripping the DVD ? legal quibbles, etc. ]

Discuss, Argue, Suggest!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

____________________________________________________________

A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle.
____________________________________________________________


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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue May 15 15:12:29 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:12:29 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [OT] BRAZIL: HEAVEN OR HELL?
Message-ID: <394560.74620.qm@web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Let me be the first to make the obvious pun about

BRAZIL NUTS

and let me also point out that variety of opinions,
shape, size, colour (Hey, my RunRev palettes have been
turned a nifty British Racing-Green!) and so on are
both the spice of life, and good, healthy debate and
SDLCs.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

____________________________________________________________

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____________________________________________________________


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From david at openpartnership.net  Tue May 15 15:34:12 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:34:12 +0100
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <06251A56-2D56-4642-8E42-A3652E046C89@mac.com>
References: <p062408a4c26cdfbae95a@192.168.1.101>
	<OFCB7E63D6.A885817B-ON852572DA.005A6838-852572DA.005B9C7F@sealedair.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131009o14071671xc246ed22cd7e2bf2@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705141103q5caf9bb7q95a96513112a0e49@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705141143i729c2937mb7e40997b0c8c471@mail.gmail.com>
	<B659E118-4AE6-485D-8F02-188F2C766E5C@anachreon.co.uk>
	<06251A56-2D56-4642-8E42-A3652E046C89@mac.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705151234g164b501cpef467ceb6f164f92@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks - if thats the right word Andre.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 15 15:34:35 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:34:35 -0700
Subject: End of U3?
Message-ID: <464A0B4B.5040604@fourthworld.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:

> And if you're designing your app to be portable from the start, you  
> don't need U3. You can build your own launcher. You can join the U4  
> yahoo group and help the efforts.

For those interested in contributing to the development of a universal 
flash drive launcher, the U4 Group is at:

<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/U4-Group/>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From heather at runrev.com  Tue May 15 15:50:06 2007
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:50:06 +0100
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1 now Available for Download
Message-ID: <42128069-C656-4291-B731-8791051F174C@runrev.com>

Dear List member,

I'm happy to announce the release of Revolution 2.8.1. If you have a  
current license you can go and download it here:

http://downloads.runrev.com/

and unlock it with your existing license. It could be beneficial to  
do a full install from the downloads page rather than using your  
update button inside the program, as this version corrects a number  
of issues with the installer/uninstaller, and you will not see the  
benefit of this unless you do a full installation.

If your license has lapsed, you will need to buy an update to access  
this release, it is a feature release. Those handy urls for updating  
your licenses:

http://www.runrev.com/buy/studio_update

and

http://www.runrev.com/buy/enterprise_update

Major changes with this release:

AltBrowser, altSQLite and altFont are now integrated with Revolution,  
and become revBrowser, revSQLite, and revFont respectively.

   - There is a new tabular split form (split/combine by row/column)
   - Private handler support is introduced
   - Date and time handling is revised and improved
   - Long file names are now supported on OS X
   - There are window layering improvements on Windows
   - There are fixes to printing (particularly on OS X)
   - There are fixes to buttons (particularly radio buttons)
   - There are fixes and improvements to menu accelerator dispatch
  - Over 240 other bug fixes and minor enhancements

Many other issues have been addressed, and the feedback from the beta  
test group is very positive - thank you all, your hard work in  
testing is much appreciated.

What are you waiting for? Go and download it now!

Warm Regards,

Heather



Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com





From david at openpartnership.net  Tue May 15 16:32:54 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:32:54 +0100
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <06251A56-2D56-4642-8E42-A3652E046C89@mac.com>
References: <p062408a4c26cdfbae95a@192.168.1.101>
	<OFCB7E63D6.A885817B-ON852572DA.005A6838-852572DA.005B9C7F@sealedair.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131009o14071671xc246ed22cd7e2bf2@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705141103q5caf9bb7q95a96513112a0e49@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705141143i729c2937mb7e40997b0c8c471@mail.gmail.com>
	<B659E118-4AE6-485D-8F02-188F2C766E5C@anachreon.co.uk>
	<06251A56-2D56-4642-8E42-A3652E046C89@mac.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705151332x405c68f5q1384ee17fddb6756@mail.gmail.com>

Andre - you made me think of the little guy versus big guy in law issue... I
have known a number of people with similar stories, and it makes me think
always of what to do in the age of the internet about these issues. And
every time I have this thought - so you have the evidence but not the money
to take them to court - so why not publish the story on the net and let them
sue you - so you get your chance to produce your evidence without the cost?
And then I think better of the idea.


From david at openpartnership.net  Tue May 15 16:44:12 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:44:12 +0100
Subject: Menus, fields and not activating a mouseUp?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705151344j774aa5a0k700315403c35760b@mail.gmail.com>

You have a field with a contextual menu - so when you control-click on the
field a popup menu apears (called in a mouseDown handler). If you do not use
the control key - but simply click the mouseUp handler does something
else...

So how do you prevent the mouseUp handler? Neither exit to top nor the
pending messages seem to help... so I have always set a flag in the menu
code and then checked this in the mouseUp code... still is there a better
way to prevent mouseUp messages from being sent?


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 15 16:45:28 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 15:45:28 -0500
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <464A000A.8080107@fourthworld.com>
References: <464A000A.8080107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <464A1BE8.9040107@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>  > Richard Gaskin wrote:
>  >> Judy Perry wrote:
>  >>...does Rev?
>  >>
>  >> That's a good question. I would imagine RunRev has a U3 version,
>  >> and if they've done that much work it's far easier to make one
>  >> that'll run on any flash drive.  I couldn't find either on the
>  >> Download page, though -- anyone know if that's in the works?
>  >
>  > Building a U3 app is part of the standalone builder, just tick
>  > a checkbox. There's no separate download.
> 
> I had the impression Judy was asking about Rev itself.
> 
> Does it run from a flash drive, or does it require installation on a 
> hard drive?
> 

Now *I'm* confused. :): I haven't tried running Rev itself from a flash 
drive. Can't think why it wouldn't though, with the possible exception 
of saving its prefs file or finding any custom plugins. If I get some 
time, I might experiment. If someone else experiments first, that'd be 
great.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue May 15 16:59:22 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 13:59:22 -0700
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1 now Available for Download
In-Reply-To: <42128069-C656-4291-B731-8791051F174C@runrev.com>
References: <42128069-C656-4291-B731-8791051F174C@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <49A9B98A-99D8-4D2C-8DB2-6BB0E7134EBF@canelasoftware.com>


On May 15, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Heather Nagey wrote:

> What are you waiting for? Go and download it now!

IMHO this is the very best release of Rev ever!  It is truly a major  
leap in reliability over any other released version thus far.  I can  
only imagine how cool 2.9 is going to be.

Thank you RunRev for all the hard work.  I would also like to thank  
Bill Marriott for all your hard work on keeping us all on track.


Best regards,
Mark Talluto

CANELA Software
31805 Hwy 79 S #791
Temecula, CA 92592
tel: (310) 483-9919
fax: (951) 302-0146
http://www.canelasoftware.com




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 15 17:12:09 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:12:09 -0700
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1 now Available for Download
Message-ID: <464A2229.7060603@fourthworld.com>

Heather Nagey wrote:
> I'm happy to announce the release of Revolution 2.8.1. If you have a  
> current license you can go and download it here:
> 
> http://downloads.runrev.com/

Congratulations to the team!  While only an incremental update, it's a 
significant step forward for both overall quality and the process for 
ensuring that quality.  Well done!

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Tue May 15 17:13:20 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:13:20 +0200
Subject: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
References: <C26F37D6.259C2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <464A2270.7B61C955@club-internet.fr>



Scott,

Well, I should probably update what I know about altBrowser...
I never really used it, only downloaded a demo a couple of years
ago...
According to your answer, the "browser window" can be integrated
in a stack and is transparent to the end user... if so, that's probably
what I'm looking for...

In the meantime, I was wondering if there could be any way to
convert flash files to some format that could be read in a player
via Windows Media Player... But I've been working 15 hrs in a
row and am probably just spacing out...

Best,
JB

> Recently, jbv wrote:
>
> >> altBrowser is probably your best bet.
> >>
> >
> > Mmmh... don't think so...
> >
> > I'm asked to build a front end app that will launch flash movies
> > but "no QT installer" and "no browser" are the main requests...
>
> How does using altBrowser constitute using a browser when it is part of a
> stack that you can design any way you want?  How would anyone know that
> you're using a browser-based engine to display Flash content and why would
> this matter anyway?  Last I checked, Flash is designed to run as a
> standalone process (no player needed) or in a Web browser.
>
>



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue May 15 18:07:14 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:07:14 -0500
Subject: applescript - do script
In-Reply-To: <0631DEFE-F89E-4F67-ADDF-77630F5091B6@ezpzapps.com>
References: <0631DEFE-F89E-4F67-ADDF-77630F5091B6@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <20070515170714306443.347b1019@sonsothunder.com>

On Tue, 15 May 2007 19:26:59 +0200, Jim Sims wrote:

> I looked at the applescript dictionary for my Rev 2.7.4 application
> and it had:
> do script v : Execute Revolution script
> 
> So, I tried telling my application to do the following as a simple 
> test from the
> applescript script editor:
> 
> tell application "MyApp"
> 	activate
> 	do script  "quit"
> end tell

BTW, this works perfectly fine in 2.8.1...

:-)

And if you want to give your apps custom AppleScript commands, take a 
look at this tip:

ascr006: Creating a Custom AppleScript Dictionary For a Revolution 
Application
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ascr006.htm

Enjoy!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May 15 18:10:33 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:10:33 -0500
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <464A1BE8.9040107@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <464A000A.8080107@fourthworld.com>
	<464A1BE8.9040107@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705151510m7354fd4fj59e1ff0dc5abfbdf@mail.gmail.com>

It would be great is someone ended up with a recipe on how to install Rev as
a portableapp. I'd love to have a Mac and PC copy on a Thumbdrive too!


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue May 15 18:16:20 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 00:16:20 +0200
Subject: applescript - do script
In-Reply-To: <20070515170714306443.347b1019@sonsothunder.com>
References: <0631DEFE-F89E-4F67-ADDF-77630F5091B6@ezpzapps.com>
	<20070515170714306443.347b1019@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <AF407542-F584-4935-9CE7-E0411A052A3D@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ken,

It doesn't work in 2.8.1 here.

Best,

Mark

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Op 16-mei-2007, om 0:07 heeft Ken Ray het volgende geschreven:


>
> BTW, this works perfectly fine in 2.8.1...
>
> :-)
>
> And if you want to give your apps custom AppleScript commands, take a
> look at this tip:
>
> ascr006: Creating a Custom AppleScript Dictionary For a Revolution
> Application
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ascr006.htm
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Ken Ray




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue May 15 18:53:57 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 00:53:57 +0200
Subject: Menus, fields and not activating a mouseUp?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705151344j774aa5a0k700315403c35760b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705151344j774aa5a0k700315403c35760b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2EE7F06-554D-479D-93E6-1A05D84DE36C@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear David,

on mouseUp
   if the controlkey is up then
     -- do your stuff
   end if
end mouseUp

Best regards,

Mark

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Op 15-mei-2007, om 22:44 heeft David Bovill het volgende geschreven:

> You have a field with a contextual menu - so when you control-click  
> on the
> field a popup menu apears (called in a mouseDown handler). If you  
> do not use
> the control key - but simply click the mouseUp handler does something
> else...
>
> So how do you prevent the mouseUp handler? Neither exit to top nor the
> pending messages seem to help... so I have always set a flag in the  
> menu
> code and then checked this in the mouseUp code... still is there a  
> better
> way to prevent mouseUp messages from being sent?




From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May 15 18:55:23 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:55:23 -0500
Subject: Understanding the long ID?
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705151555y2bb29c8bha4c45c535b99ea0f@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using the latest release of Rev 2.8.1

I create a new stack, add a single fld and a single button. In the button
script I add:

on mouseUp
  put the long ID of fld 1 into tID
  set the disabled of tID to not the disabled of tID
  put "fred" into tID
end mouseUp

When I press it, the field becomes disabled alternately (as expected). The
disabled is only here to show that tID is referenced correctly.

But, "fred" never gets put in the field? I wonder why? Is this a bug?

BTW, this does work:

set the text of tID to "fred"

hmmmmm.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue May 15 18:58:40 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 00:58:40 +0200
Subject: Menus, fields and not activating a mouseUp?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705151344j774aa5a0k700315403c35760b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705151344j774aa5a0k700315403c35760b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93097176-3674-40E4-B4F4-54C9C22E883C@economy-x-talk.com>

David,

On second thought, the user probably releases the control key right  
after the mousedown. So, you might want to use the mouseDown handler  
only.

on mouseDown
   if the controlKey is down then
     -- do stuff
   else
     wait 200 with messages
     if the mouse is up then
       -- run "mouseup" script
     end if
   end if
end mouseDown

This could be a better way to do it.

Alternatively, you can check out the flushEvents function. If you  
don't want the mouseUp to run after the mouseDown script finished,  
just execute

get flushEvents("mouseUp")

This is not always a good solution and I tend to avoid it.

Best,

Mark

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Op 15-mei-2007, om 22:44 heeft David Bovill het volgende geschreven:

> You have a field with a contextual menu - so when you control-click  
> on the
> field a popup menu apears (called in a mouseDown handler). If you  
> do not use
> the control key - but simply click the mouseUp handler does something
> else...
>
> So how do you prevent the mouseUp handler? Neither exit to top nor the
> pending messages seem to help... so I have always set a flag in the  
> menu
> code and then checked this in the mouseUp code... still is there a  
> better
> way to prevent mouseUp messages from being sent?




From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 15 18:59:00 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:59:00 +0100
Subject: applescript - do script
In-Reply-To: <AF407542-F584-4935-9CE7-E0411A052A3D@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <0631DEFE-F89E-4F67-ADDF-77630F5091B6@ezpzapps.com>
	<20070515170714306443.347b1019@sonsothunder.com>
	<AF407542-F584-4935-9CE7-E0411A052A3D@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <5BEC51DA-96B6-4099-9C08-63F56BA254C7@azurevision.co.uk>

It looks like Ken's trick of renaming the .rsrc file does the trick:

1. Open the standalone package.
2. Navigate to myappname.app/Contents/Resources/Revolution.rsrc
3. Change it to myappname.app/Contents/Resources/myappname.rsrc
4. Now trigger the Finder into updating it's list of scriptable  
applications, for instance by archiving the app, deleting the  
original (make sure to empty the Trash) and uncompressing it again.

I'm still getting some odd problems with having to relaunch Script  
Editor etc. but I suspect that's down to the Finder. :-(

I've added this to the bug report (#4970)

Ian


On 15 May 2007, at 23:16, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> It doesn't work in 2.8.1 here.

> Op 16-mei-2007, om 0:07 heeft Ken Ray het volgende geschreven:
>
>> BTW, this works perfectly fine in 2.8.1...
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> And if you want to give your apps custom AppleScript commands, take a
>> look at this tip:
>>
>> ascr006: Creating a Custom AppleScript Dictionary For a Revolution
>> Application
>> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ascr006.htm




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 15 19:03:46 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:03:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <4649F226.7040203@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705151603190.16068-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Thanks, Richard.

I'll have a look for next term.

Judy

On Tue, 15 May 2007, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> For apps that are known to be portable, the directory at
> PortableApps.com is a good starting point:
>
> <http://portableapps.com/apps>
>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue May 15 19:03:57 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 01:03:57 +0200
Subject: applescript - do script
In-Reply-To: <5BEC51DA-96B6-4099-9C08-63F56BA254C7@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <0631DEFE-F89E-4F67-ADDF-77630F5091B6@ezpzapps.com>
	<20070515170714306443.347b1019@sonsothunder.com>
	<AF407542-F584-4935-9CE7-E0411A052A3D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5BEC51DA-96B6-4099-9C08-63F56BA254C7@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A7E94A26-3E47-4DD2-8239-F9486730FFCD@economy-x-talk.com>

Restarting the script editor appears to be essential. Thanks Ian!

Mark

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Op 16-mei-2007, om 0:59 heeft Ian Wood het volgende geschreven:

> It looks like Ken's trick of renaming the .rsrc file does the trick:
>
> 1. Open the standalone package.
> 2. Navigate to myappname.app/Contents/Resources/Revolution.rsrc
> 3. Change it to myappname.app/Contents/Resources/myappname.rsrc
> 4. Now trigger the Finder into updating it's list of scriptable  
> applications, for instance by archiving the app, deleting the  
> original (make sure to empty the Trash) and uncompressing it again.
>
> I'm still getting some odd problems with having to relaunch Script  
> Editor etc. but I suspect that's down to the Finder. :-(
>
> I've added this to the bug report (#4970)
>
> Ian



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Tue May 15 19:05:00 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:05:00 -0700
Subject: Understanding the long ID?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705151555y2bb29c8bha4c45c535b99ea0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210705151555y2bb29c8bha4c45c535b99ea0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6625392C-C812-450D-A72F-17077226DA89@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 15, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> I'm using the latest release of Rev 2.8.1
>
> I create a new stack, add a single fld and a single button. In the  
> button
> script I add:
>
> on mouseUp
>  put the long ID of fld 1 into tID
>  set the disabled of tID to not the disabled of tID
>  put "fred" into tID
> end mouseUp

Hi Chipp,

You are using "put" with a variable so "fred" is put into the  
variable tID.
When using a variable to reference a field you need to:

set the text of tID to "fred"

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 15 19:06:44 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:06:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <46709494-DF1E-49AE-BE1F-FB86DF47B848@mac.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705151604240.16068-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Andre,

Of course, what I'm specifically looking to do (or, rather have my
students do) IS a hack -- of IT's iron-fisted grip on what software that
can be used in the classroom.

I did think about the speed issue... but our network's so crappy that
slow isn't going to strike the students as particularly odd :-/


Judy

On Tue, 15 May 2007, Andre Garzia wrote:

> >
>
> portableapps.com always felt like a hack for me. It uses NDIS (or
> some other acronym) wrapper to hack around the folders tricking the
> enclosed executable to think it is writting to one place when it is
> actually writting to someplace else like the removable media folder.
> This solves some issues but it brings other problems.
>
> Let us go to the important problems (IMHO):
> * Removable media is slow. If your app does a lot of file juggling or
> is very disk based, you'll see performance penalty, specially if
> you're using cheap no brand pendrives.
> * Limited writting life of flash drives. You can't write on them
> forever, they have a limit and they will fail. I don't think a
> pendrive can stand like a year of heavy use but some application that
> access the disk too much. I can't quote on the limits but they exist.
>
> Good portable apps are designed to be portable from the start, not
> hacked afterward with some tricky folder-phantomizing-tool. Portable
> apps should load all data they need and run from RAM without touching
> the disk, or only touching the disk when it needs to save permanent
> data. This will not only save your precious pendrive but also run way
> faster than some disk happy tool.
>
> And if you're designing your app to be portable from the start, you
> don't need U3. You can build your own launcher. You can join the U4
> yahoo group and help the efforts. U3 good side is not the technology
> but the marketing, it gave apps exposure and a portal that the user
> could navigate and find stuff. I don't like portableapps.com but it
> gives you exposure and lots of users, from a marketing standpoint it
> is cool, from a tech standpoint it feels like a hack to me.
>
> also, their portableapps menu never worked on win98 or win2000 for me.
>
> andre
>
> > That's a good question. I would imagine RunRev has a U3 version,
> > and if they've done that much work it's far easier to make one
> > that'll run on any flash drive.  I couldn't find either on the
> > Download page, though -- anyone know if that's in the works?
> >
> > For apps that are known to be portable, the directory at
> > PortableApps.com is a good starting point:
> >
> > <http://portableapps.com/apps>
> >
> >
> > --
> >  Richard Gaskin
> >  Managing Editor, revJournal
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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May 15 19:07:27 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:07:27 -0500
Subject: Understanding the long ID?
In-Reply-To: <6625392C-C812-450D-A72F-17077226DA89@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <7aa52a210705151555y2bb29c8bha4c45c535b99ea0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6625392C-C812-450D-A72F-17077226DA89@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705151607o43baf382w22b072bcce7d45a2@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Trevor,

duh.
I got it...just a bit confusing is all. I do/have used the 'set the text of'
for this.


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 15 19:10:23 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:10:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <464A000A.8080107@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705151607550.16068-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Exactly.

In the section on "reliability" I wanted them to experience "programming"
writ small by having them make their own little stack that did something
amusing.

But no way, no how is IT going to let us d/l the demo, and my department's
license is only for OS9 :-(  And, even if the students purchased Media,
they'd need me to hand-hold them through an introduction at least, which
gets me back to the chicken-egg conundrum.

Judy

On Tue, 15 May 2007, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I had the impression Judy was asking about Rev itself.
>
> Does it run from a flash drive, or does it require installation on a
> hard drive?



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 15 19:12:41 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:12:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <464A1BE8.9040107@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705151611560.16068-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Sounds like a job for "office hours"

;-)

But, of course, it's the end of the semester now, so I don't have any of
those.

Judy

On Tue, 15 May 2007, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> > Does it run from a flash drive, or does it require installation on a
> > hard drive?
> >
>
> Now *I'm* confused. :): I haven't tried running Rev itself from a flash
> drive. Can't think why it wouldn't though, with the possible exception
> of saving its prefs file or finding any custom plugins. If I get some
> time, I might experiment. If someone else experiments first, that'd be
> great.



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue May 15 19:17:44 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:17:44 -0700
Subject: Understanding the long ID?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705151555y2bb29c8bha4c45c535b99ea0f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210705151555y2bb29c8bha4c45c535b99ea0f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <667481E6-52A9-4A47-9C79-F0704766A015@canelasoftware.com>


On May 15, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> I'm using the latest release of Rev 2.8.1
>
> I create a new stack, add a single fld and a single button. In the  
> button
> script I add:
>
> on mouseUp
>  put the long ID of fld 1 into tID
>  set the disabled of tID to not the disabled of tID
>  put "fred" into tID
> end mouseUp
>
> When I press it, the field becomes disabled alternately (as  
> expected). The
> disabled is only here to show that tID is referenced correctly.
>
> But, "fred" never gets put in the field? I wonder why? Is this a bug?
>
> BTW, this does work:
>
> set the text of tID to "fred"


I think it is a bug.  I guess I have always worked around it with:

put "fred" into fld id (word 3 of tID)


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 15 19:27:17 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:27:17 -0500
Subject: Understanding the long ID?
In-Reply-To: <6625392C-C812-450D-A72F-17077226DA89@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <7aa52a210705151555y2bb29c8bha4c45c535b99ea0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6625392C-C812-450D-A72F-17077226DA89@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <464A41D5.8040302@hyperactivesw.com>

Trevor DeVore wrote:
> On May 15, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
> 
>> I'm using the latest release of Rev 2.8.1
>>
>> I create a new stack, add a single fld and a single button. In the button
>> script I add:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>  put the long ID of fld 1 into tID
>>  set the disabled of tID to not the disabled of tID
>>  put "fred" into tID
>> end mouseUp
> 
> Hi Chipp,
> 
> You are using "put" with a variable so "fred" is put into the variable tID.
> When using a variable to reference a field you need to:
> 
> set the text of tID to "fred"
> 

Or the dreaded "do":

   do "put" &&quote& "fred" &quote&& "into tID"

Setting the text is easier.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue May 15 19:29:11 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:29:11 -0500
Subject: Understanding the long ID?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705151607o43baf382w22b072bcce7d45a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210705151555y2bb29c8bha4c45c535b99ea0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6625392C-C812-450D-A72F-17077226DA89@mangomultimedia.com>
	<7aa52a210705151607o43baf382w22b072bcce7d45a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070515182911784804.cff860e3@sonsothunder.com>

On Tue, 15 May 2007 18:07:27 -0500, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Thanks Trevor,
> 
> duh.
> I got it...just a bit confusing is all. I do/have used the 'set the text of'
> for this.

I've done the same. But I started to put this rule into my head that I 
can manipulate properties with get/set/put on an object reference in a 
variable, but that anything else to do with that object (esp. 
"shorthand" stuff like "get field 1" instead of "get the text of field 
1") should be executed with "do":

  do "put" && quote & "Fred" & quote && "into" && tID

But I've tended to go the "property way" when using references because 
it's less typing (as you saw):

  set the text of tID to "Fred"



Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 15 19:44:26 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:44:26 -0700
Subject: Understanding the long ID?
Message-ID: <464A45DA.101@fourthworld.com>

Mark Talluto wrote:

> On May 15, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: 
>> I'm using the latest release of Rev 2.8.1
>> I create a new stack, add a single fld and a single button. In the  
>> button script I add:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>  put the long ID of fld 1 into tID
>>  set the disabled of tID to not the disabled of tID
>>  put "fred" into tID
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> When I press it, the field becomes disabled alternately (as  
>> expected). The disabled is only here to show that tID is 
>> referenced correctly.
>>
>> But, "fred" never gets put in the field? I wonder why? Is this a bug?
>>
>> BTW, this does work:
>>
>> set the text of tID to "fred"
> 
> 
> I think it is a bug.

If Rev variables were types and tID was typed as an object reference it 
might be a bug.

But as it is, Rev vars are just buckets into which you can put anything 
you want.  One minute you can store a string that refers to an object, 
the next minute you can store some arbitrary text -- how is Rev to know 
you mean otherwise?

Rev vars don't have properties, but objects do, so when you say:

   set the text of tID to "fred"

...it knows that you're setting a property so it first evaluates tID to 
get the object reference, then sets that object's property.

The ambiguity is -- once again -- HyperCard compatibility.  In most 
languages, properties are set in a consistent way, and in Rev the text 
property can be set using "set the text of...".

But HyperCard allowed the convenience of setting the text property 
without having to name the property by using "put <val> into <obj>".

While it's convenient to treat the text property of objects as an 
implied container, the ambiguity inherent in HyperTalk's design has led 
to a great many confusing moments for many people over the last couple 
decades.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Tue May 15 19:48:04 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:48:04 -0300
Subject: [OT] BRAZIL: HEAVEN OR HELL?
Message-ID: <464A46B4.3030102@howsoft.com>

Andre:

Thanks for that great complementary story and comments. If ever Brazil 
needed a trendy young ambassador, they need look no further. A little 
more "quebrando o galho" and "jeitinho" is what a lot of people need. 
But I'll leave you to explain what they are....

Richmond:

As one nutter to another, thanks once again for brightening up my day, 
and please don't ever stop.

Best regards,
Bob


From andrew.lian at andrewlian.com  Tue May 15 20:08:51 2007
From: andrew.lian at andrewlian.com (Professor Andrew Lian)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:08:51 -0500
Subject: Flash movies in Rev players on Windows ?
In-Reply-To: <464A2270.7B61C955@club-internet.fr>
References: <C26F37D6.259C2%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<464A2270.7B61C955@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <59f732040705151708i6a907599r2ebb9811a612be95@mail.gmail.com>

i Scott,

Try http://www/zmzar.com It is a website which transforms from one format to
another at no cost (it also does a host of other conversions).

Hope that helps
Andrew

On 5/15/07, jbv <jbv.silences at club-internet.fr> wrote:
>
>
>
> Scott,
>
> Well, I should probably update what I know about altBrowser...
> I never really used it, only downloaded a demo a couple of years
> ago...
> According to your answer, the "browser window" can be integrated
> in a stack and is transparent to the end user... if so, that's probably
> what I'm looking for...
>
> In the meantime, I was wondering if there could be any way to
> convert flash files to some format that could be read in a player
> via Windows Media Player... But I've been working 15 hrs in a
> row and am probably just spacing out...
>
> Best,
> JB
>
> > Recently, jbv wrote:
> >
> > >> altBrowser is probably your best bet.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Mmmh... don't think so...
> > >
> > > I'm asked to build a front end app that will launch flash movies
> > > but "no QT installer" and "no browser" are the main requests...
> >
> > How does using altBrowser constitute using a browser when it is part of
> a
> > stack that you can design any way you want?  How would anyone know that
> > you're using a browser-based engine to display Flash content and why
> would
> > this matter anyway?  Last I checked, Flash is designed to run as a
> > standalone process (no player needed) or in a Web browser.
> >
> >
>
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue May 15 20:20:56 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 17:20:56 -0700
Subject: Understanding the long ID?
In-Reply-To: <464A45DA.101@fourthworld.com>
References: <464A45DA.101@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7B15F690-B9A9-4723-BF4C-75DB0A783519@canelasoftware.com>


On May 15, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> If Rev variables were types and tID was typed as an object  
> reference it might be a bug.

I see the light.  Working with it has never slowed me down.  There  
are many ways as demonstrated to get that job done.  Rev is such a  
fast environment to work in that I never take the time to understand  
this situation completely.  In seconds one can try this or that and  
it just works.  After that you move on and never look back.  It is  
good to stop and smell the roses once in a while.  :)


Mark Talluto
-- 
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http://www.canelasoftware.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue May 15 20:41:55 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:41:55 -0500
Subject: applescript - do script
In-Reply-To: <AF407542-F584-4935-9CE7-E0411A052A3D@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <0631DEFE-F89E-4F67-ADDF-77630F5091B6@ezpzapps.com>
	<20070515170714306443.347b1019@sonsothunder.com>
	<AF407542-F584-4935-9CE7-E0411A052A3D@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <20070515194155263045.209b99ce@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 16 May 2007 00:16:20 +0200, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Ken,
> 
> It doesn't work in 2.8.1 here.

Whoops! Sorry, I was testing Revolution itself, not a standalone built 
with Rev 2.8.1. Ian has the right idea, though...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From revcompgeek at gmail.com  Tue May 15 21:45:29 2007
From: revcompgeek at gmail.com (Matt Peterson)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:45:29 -0600
Subject: Date Chooser
In-Reply-To: <C26C8583.32F77%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <D2BC6B07-8CC6-4888-8E01-B1B0F7D2D23A@gmail.com>
	<C26C8583.32F77%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <1c7cf1a70705151845u5cae0cffs698f46762a4c0c5b@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/13/07, Bill <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
>
> I am interested in your idea of combining both. I would also like to be
> able
> to change the format of the date returned easily.  (for example to
> yyyymmdd
> or sometimes mm/dd/yy
>
>
>
>
> On 5/12/07 4:45 PM, "Matthew" <revcompgeek at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> using Bjornke's stack, but I think I
> > like the calander better. I am going to try and combine both into a
> > date chooser stack and write a small handler for it. If anyone is
> > interested, I can post it later.
>
>
>
>
>
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The format it returns is the seconds format, and you could easily change
that by doing something like:

put choosedate(theseconds,thelabel) into thedate
convert thedate to short date -- or whatever

Any bugs found would be appreciated

-- 
Matthew Peterson
Programmer
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue May 15 22:41:10 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 04:41:10 +0200
Subject: applescript - do script
In-Reply-To: <5BEC51DA-96B6-4099-9C08-63F56BA254C7@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <0631DEFE-F89E-4F67-ADDF-77630F5091B6@ezpzapps.com>
	<20070515170714306443.347b1019@sonsothunder.com>
	<AF407542-F584-4935-9CE7-E0411A052A3D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<5BEC51DA-96B6-4099-9C08-63F56BA254C7@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AC516D03-6592-4202-A37B-6D4605E72A51@ezpzapps.com>


On May 16, 2007, at 12:59 AM, Ian Wood wrote:

> It looks like Ken's trick of renaming the .rsrc file does the trick:


Phew, am I relieved.

Thanks to everyone for looking at this!

Jim Sims
Custom Software Development
www.EZPZapps.com




From chipp at chipp.com  Wed May 16 01:01:57 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 00:01:57 -0500
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705151332x405c68f5q1384ee17fddb6756@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p062408a4c26cdfbae95a@192.168.1.101>
	<OFCB7E63D6.A885817B-ON852572DA.005A6838-852572DA.005B9C7F@sealedair.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131009o14071671xc246ed22cd7e2bf2@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705141103q5caf9bb7q95a96513112a0e49@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705141143i729c2937mb7e40997b0c8c471@mail.gmail.com>
	<B659E118-4AE6-485D-8F02-188F2C766E5C@anachreon.co.uk>
	<06251A56-2D56-4642-8E42-A3652E046C89@mac.com>
	<c1c5836b0705151332x405c68f5q1384ee17fddb6756@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705152201r4d2cdf8et3f984789f134828a@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/15/07, David Bovill <david at openpartnership.net> wrote:
>
> so why not publish the story on the net and let them
> sue you - so you get your chance to produce your evidence without the
> cost?



And exactly how does 'letting them sue you' save money? Lawyers cost money
no matter which side of a case they are on.


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Wed May 16 02:49:37 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 07:49:37 +0100 (BST)
Subject: File Browser
Message-ID: <601713.16971.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is a repost of mu message from the fag-end of
April as still looking for help :)

Just uploaded a primitive File Browser to RevOnline (
FILE POKER ) got a bit bogged down at one stage -
would be grateful if all willing could download, play
with, take to bits, criticise, reconstruct and
generally be helpful with it.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From cowhead at mac.com  Wed May 16 05:13:16 2007
From: cowhead at mac.com (www.MeltingPotBar.com)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 18:13:16 +0900
Subject: strange blending ink problem
In-Reply-To: <20070312155020.4A29B48905A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070312155020.4A29B48905A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C1F669CF-6F2D-42F7-97B5-A31FE4E60113@mac.com>

Thanks Marks for your replies.  It seems the ink of a few images was  
somehow altered from srcCopy to scrSomethingElse.  The buttons that  
were using these images as icons also had their ink switched.  It may  
have happened with a previous version of dreamcard player, but it  
seems to be stable now with both revMedia and revStudio.  It is also  
possible that it was not a bug but rather a cat...walking on the  
keyboard...sigh...

yet another Mark


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed May 16 12:03:49 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 10:03:49 -0600
Subject: Understanding the long ID?
In-Reply-To: <464A41D5.8040302@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <7aa52a210705151555y2bb29c8bha4c45c535b99ea0f@mail.gmail.com>
	<6625392C-C812-450D-A72F-17077226DA89@mangomultimedia.com>
	<464A41D5.8040302@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5F96B049-F687-4C74-B28E-DDE423D12EA5@byu.edu>


On May 15, 2007, at 5:27 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Trevor DeVore wrote:
>> On May 15, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>>> I'm using the latest release of Rev 2.8.1
>>>
>>> I create a new stack, add a single fld and a single button. In  
>>> the button
>>> script I add:
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>  put the long ID of fld 1 into tID
>>>  set the disabled of tID to not the disabled of tID
>>>  put "fred" into tID
>>> end mouseUp
>> Hi Chipp,
>> You are using "put" with a variable so "fred" is put into the  
>> variable tID.
>> When using a variable to reference a field you need to:
>> set the text of tID to "fred"
>
> Or the dreaded "do":
>
>   do "put" &&quote& "fred" &quote&& "into tID"
>
> Setting the text is easier.

Of course if you're dead set on putting the text, you could always do  
this:

on mouseUp
  put the long ID of fld 1 into tID
  set the disabled of tID to not the disabled of tID
  put "fred" into fld the short name of tID
  put tID
end mouseUp

;-)

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From david at openpartnership.net  Wed May 16 15:44:05 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 20:44:05 +0100
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705152201r4d2cdf8et3f984789f134828a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p062408a4c26cdfbae95a@192.168.1.101>
	<OFCB7E63D6.A885817B-ON852572DA.005A6838-852572DA.005B9C7F@sealedair.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131009o14071671xc246ed22cd7e2bf2@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705141103q5caf9bb7q95a96513112a0e49@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705141143i729c2937mb7e40997b0c8c471@mail.gmail.com>
	<B659E118-4AE6-485D-8F02-188F2C766E5C@anachreon.co.uk>
	<06251A56-2D56-4642-8E42-A3652E046C89@mac.com>
	<c1c5836b0705151332x405c68f5q1384ee17fddb6756@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705152201r4d2cdf8et3f984789f134828a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705161244y8e290fbocb5510fdda5a819f@mail.gmail.com>

Which is why I said "then I thought better of the idea."

On 16/05/07, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>
>
> And exactly how does 'letting them sue you' save money? Lawyers cost money
> no matter which side of a case they are on.


In reality though it would be a foolish company or individual to sue you if
they had absolutely no case, and if they did you could always represent
yourself, or better get a lawyer to defend you on a no-win-no-fee basis. If
you have the facts, ie the contract, the "comments in the code" etc and you
use conventional journalistic standards in reporting them, you should be on
fairly safe ground. Of course if you want to play really safe - you'd be
better taking it as a learning exercise - who to trust who not that sort of
thing.

On the other hand if as is often the case you really do not want people to
get away with that sort of thing, you are angry, and you want to forewarn
other people, simply letting it slide under the carpet may not be what you
are after. I still think there should be some sort of web site for
publishing these sort of stories. Companies and individuals would think
twice about ripping someone off, whereas as it is at the moment they know
they are likely to get away with it. The counter problem of course is
spurious claims - but these would be subject to libel in the normal way for
any publication.


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Wed May 16 16:58:11 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:58:11 -0500
Subject: ctrl-y does a paste on Mac?
Message-ID: <464B7063.2050603@siboneylg.com>

Why does ctrl-y do a paste on Mac OS X?  It appears pasteKey is NOT 
sent, but the system does a paste just the same.

Does anyone else see this?  This seems like a bug to me.

Thanks!

Peter Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed May 16 17:03:23 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:03:23 +0200
Subject: ctrl-y does a paste on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <464B7063.2050603@siboneylg.com>
References: <464B7063.2050603@siboneylg.com>
Message-ID: <4A70FDFB-5269-43FE-BAAC-E54F6F7E1A8B@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Peter,

Indeed, it does. I'd report it as a bug.

Best,

Mark

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Op 16-mei-2007, om 22:58 heeft Peter T. Evensen het volgende geschreven:

> Why does ctrl-y do a paste on Mac OS X?  It appears pasteKey is NOT  
> sent, but the system does a paste just the same.
>
> Does anyone else see this?  This seems like a bug to me.
>
> Thanks!



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed May 16 17:39:27 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 22:39:27 +0100
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <ff5186eb7189d90dc4db8d7b4037c0eb@wanadoo.fr>
References: <ff5186eb7189d90dc4db8d7b4037c0eb@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <9F27EC25-D144-4CC5-A697-CB6564DA46F9@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I have a File that is greater than 2GB in size. I am using:

read from file theFile at myFilePosition for myCount
put it into myFileData

It all works fine until myFilePosition is greater than 2GB. Is there  
a limit on the file position inside a file?

I Calculate the value for myFilePosition based on number of factors.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May 16 17:39:32 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 14:39:32 -0700
Subject: Getting Icon out of ResEdit doc
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D89379FE-0E8A-4DD5-BBFD-8DD695A2BDA3@cox.net>

Hi everyone,

I'm sure one of you has determined how to do this. I have an  
application written in FB. It uses a resource file that contains an  
Icon I'd like to now use for a Rev Standalone. I haven't the  
slightest idea as to how to approach this. I've not used a resource  
editor other than ResEdit, which appears not to work in OSX.

Thoughts would be appreciated. BTW, I just used 2.8.1 to compile the  
standalone. Worked flawlessly AFAIK.

TIA,

Joe Wilkins


From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Wed May 16 17:51:43 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:51:43 -0600
Subject: Getting Icon out of ResEdit doc
In-Reply-To: <D89379FE-0E8A-4DD5-BBFD-8DD695A2BDA3@cox.net>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
	<D89379FE-0E8A-4DD5-BBFD-8DD695A2BDA3@cox.net>
Message-ID: <9061F9F2-21E8-4BCF-8CAC-C21BF0CA5EA1@gmail.com>

Hello.

File Juicer might be your best bet. It's very handy for extracting  
files from any kind of file, and it doesn't have a problem with  
resource forks.

http://echoone.com/filejuicer/

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Christa McAulffe Space Education Center




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed May 16 17:56:46 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:56:46 +0200
Subject: Getting Icon out of ResEdit doc
In-Reply-To: <D89379FE-0E8A-4DD5-BBFD-8DD695A2BDA3@cox.net>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
	<D89379FE-0E8A-4DD5-BBFD-8DD695A2BDA3@cox.net>
Message-ID: <E5F56137-60BC-42D9-871C-10EBAEA1643B@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Joe,

In ResEdit, copy the icon the same way you always did. Use Apple's  
Icon Composer (which is installed with Apples Developer Tools) to  
create an icon. You can simple paste the icon in Icon Composer. Point  
the Standalone Settings to the icon file you have just created and  
you're ready.

This way, you will get an icon 32x32 pixels large, which is rather  
ugly. I'd recommend creating a new icon or, if that is not an option,  
use an image editor to increase the size of the icon to 128x128 as  
smoothly as possible.

Best,

Mark

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Op 16-mei-2007, om 23:39 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende  
geschreven:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm sure one of you has determined how to do this. I have an  
> application written in FB. It uses a resource file that contains an  
> Icon I'd like to now use for a Rev Standalone. I haven't the  
> slightest idea as to how to approach this. I've not used a resource  
> editor other than ResEdit, which appears not to work in OSX.
>
> Thoughts would be appreciated. BTW, I just used 2.8.1 to compile  
> the standalone. Worked flawlessly AFAIK.
>
> TIA,
>
> Joe Wilkins




From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May 16 17:59:32 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 14:59:32 -0700
Subject: Getting Icon out of ResEdit doc
In-Reply-To: <9061F9F2-21E8-4BCF-8CAC-C21BF0CA5EA1@gmail.com>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
	<D89379FE-0E8A-4DD5-BBFD-8DD695A2BDA3@cox.net>
	<9061F9F2-21E8-4BCF-8CAC-C21BF0CA5EA1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <70F920DE-8D0E-45B0-BFC3-1CCC9365678F@cox.net>

Thanks Brent. I'd never even heard of FileJuicer.

Joe Wilkins

On May 16, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Brent Anderson wrote:

> Hello.
>
> File Juicer might be your best bet. It's very handy for extracting  
> files from any kind of file, and it doesn't have a problem with  
> resource forks.
>
> http://echoone.com/filejuicer/
>
> Thanks,
> Brent Anderson
> Christa McAulffe Space Education Center
>
>
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May 16 18:20:03 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:20:03 -0700
Subject: Getting Icon out of ResEdit doc
In-Reply-To: <E5F56137-60BC-42D9-871C-10EBAEA1643B@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
	<D89379FE-0E8A-4DD5-BBFD-8DD695A2BDA3@cox.net>
	<E5F56137-60BC-42D9-871C-10EBAEA1643B@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C69F506F-947D-460B-8D7C-9D28C7EDD724@cox.net>

Thanks, Mark. I thought I remembered something like that. The  
FileJuicer that Brent suggested is  very interesting, but doesn't  
appear to work for Icons.

Joe Wilkins

On May 16, 2007, at 2:56 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> In ResEdit, copy the icon the same way you always did. Use Apple's  
> Icon Composer (which is installed with Apples Developer Tools) to  
> create an icon. You can simple paste the icon in Icon Composer.  
> Point the Standalone Settings to the icon file you have just  
> created and you're ready.
>
> This way, you will get an icon 32x32 pixels large, which is rather  
> ugly. I'd recommend creating a new icon or, if that is not an  
> option, use an image editor to increase the size of the icon to  
> 128x128 as smoothly as possible.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> --
>
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> Consultancy and Software Engineering
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>
> Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store  
> software. Download at http://www.salery.biz
>
> Op 16-mei-2007, om 23:39 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende  
> geschreven:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I'm sure one of you has determined how to do this. I have an  
>> application written in FB. It uses a resource file that contains  
>> an Icon I'd like to now use for a Rev Standalone. I haven't the  
>> slightest idea as to how to approach this. I've not used a  
>> resource editor other than ResEdit, which appears not to work in OSX.
>>
>> Thoughts would be appreciated. BTW, I just used 2.8.1 to compile  
>> the standalone. Worked flawlessly AFAIK.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>
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From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Wed May 16 18:26:50 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:26:50 -0600
Subject: Getting Icon out of ResEdit doc
In-Reply-To: <C69F506F-947D-460B-8D7C-9D28C7EDD724@cox.net>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
	<D89379FE-0E8A-4DD5-BBFD-8DD695A2BDA3@cox.net>
	<E5F56137-60BC-42D9-871C-10EBAEA1643B@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C69F506F-947D-460B-8D7C-9D28C7EDD724@cox.net>
Message-ID: <327882A2-B352-417D-BCE9-55CFA9170424@gmail.com>

Hello.

Sorry, for some reason I was thinking images. You're right that it  
doesn't touch icons, however images and sounds come out just fine  
(Assuming you use the full version). Mark's method should work just  
as well.

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed May 16 18:30:30 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 17:30:30 -0500
Subject: Script Limits in 2.8.0 [was Spreadsheet]
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705161244y8e290fbocb5510fdda5a819f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p062408a4c26cdfbae95a@192.168.1.101>
	<OFCB7E63D6.A885817B-ON852572DA.005A6838-852572DA.005B9C7F@sealedair.com>
	<c1c5836b0705131009o14071671xc246ed22cd7e2bf2@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705141103q5caf9bb7q95a96513112a0e49@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705141143i729c2937mb7e40997b0c8c471@mail.gmail.com>
	<B659E118-4AE6-485D-8F02-188F2C766E5C@anachreon.co.uk>
	<06251A56-2D56-4642-8E42-A3652E046C89@mac.com>
	<c1c5836b0705151332x405c68f5q1384ee17fddb6756@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705152201r4d2cdf8et3f984789f134828a@mail.gmail.com>
	<c1c5836b0705161244y8e290fbocb5510fdda5a819f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705161530o5337ad6aj34ef651572e665f8@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/16/07, David Bovill <david at openpartnership.net> wrote:
>
> Which is why I said "then I thought better of the idea."


Oh, sorry. Didn't see THAT :-)


From john at debraneys.com  Wed May 16 18:37:49 2007
From: john at debraneys.com (John Tregea)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 08:37:49 +1000
Subject: End of U3?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705151611560.16068-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705151611560.16068-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <464B87BD.50201@debraneys.com>

I remember downloading a version of Revolution that ran from a U3 drive. 
I was looking for a transportable, secure (protected) way to deliver a 
user interface and proprietary database.

It did work (at least for the term of the trial).

Cheers

JohnT

Judy Perry wrote:
> Sounds like a job for "office hours"
>
> ;-)
>
> But, of course, it's the end of the semester now, so I don't have any of
> those.
>
> Judy
>
> On Tue, 15 May 2007, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>   
>>> Does it run from a flash drive, or does it require installation on a
>>> hard drive?
>>>
>>>       
>> Now *I'm* confused. :): I haven't tried running Rev itself from a flash
>> drive. Can't think why it wouldn't though, with the possible exception
>> of saving its prefs file or finding any custom plugins. If I get some
>> time, I might experiment. If someone else experiments first, that'd be
>> great.
>>     
>
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May 16 18:44:06 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 15:44:06 -0700
Subject: Getting Icon out of ResEdit doc
In-Reply-To: <327882A2-B352-417D-BCE9-55CFA9170424@gmail.com>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
	<D89379FE-0E8A-4DD5-BBFD-8DD695A2BDA3@cox.net>
	<E5F56137-60BC-42D9-871C-10EBAEA1643B@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C69F506F-947D-460B-8D7C-9D28C7EDD724@cox.net>
	<327882A2-B352-417D-BCE9-55CFA9170424@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4181932E-33C7-42DD-AF1A-04444F43BAA6@cox.net>

Brent, just the same, it appears to be a very useful tool for anyone  
working with images. And the price is right, though not free. (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On May 16, 2007, at 3:26 PM, Brent Anderson wrote:

> Hello.
>
> Sorry, for some reason I was thinking images. You're right that it  
> doesn't touch icons, however images and sounds come out just fine  
> (Assuming you use the full version). Mark's method should work just  
> as well.
>
> Thanks,
> Brent Anderson
> Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed May 16 18:53:56 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:53:56 +0100
Subject: More - Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <ff5186eb7189d90dc4db8d7b4037c0eb@wanadoo.fr>
References: <ff5186eb7189d90dc4db8d7b4037c0eb@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <5515A214-2249-4724-9B07-9B02E275E730@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I managed to make it work by reading the difference between the  
current position and but it's *MUCH* slower! I'm dealing with 60GB+  
files!!!

Any ideas on how to make this work greatly appreciated.

All the Best
Dave

Hi,

I have a File that is greater than 2GB in size. I am using:

read from file theFile at myFilePosition for myCount
put it into myFileData

It all works fine until myFilePosition is greater than 2GB. Is there  
a limit on the file position inside a file?

I Calculate the value for myFilePosition based on number of factors.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed May 16 18:58:55 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:58:55 +0100
Subject: Getting Icon out of ResEdit doc
In-Reply-To: <4181932E-33C7-42DD-AF1A-04444F43BAA6@cox.net>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
	<D89379FE-0E8A-4DD5-BBFD-8DD695A2BDA3@cox.net>
	<E5F56137-60BC-42D9-871C-10EBAEA1643B@economy-x-talk.com>
	<C69F506F-947D-460B-8D7C-9D28C7EDD724@cox.net>
	<327882A2-B352-417D-BCE9-55CFA9170424@gmail.com>
	<4181932E-33C7-42DD-AF1A-04444F43BAA6@cox.net>
Message-ID: <104D703F-7AE9-4F77-8887-D66A46C96519@azurevision.co.uk>

Yeah, a superb little app, and the developer is very responsive. You  
can blame the AppleScript support on me - I requested it and he added  
it within the week!

Ian

On 16 May 2007, at 23:44, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Brent, just the same, it appears to be a very useful tool for  
> anyone working with images. And the price is right, though not  
> free. (smile)
>
> Joe Wilkins



From shari at gypsyware.com  Wed May 16 23:23:19 2007
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:23:19 -0400
Subject: Message Box
Message-ID: <a06020401c2717a847fcd@[192.168.2.38]>

Is it safe to remove the Message Box from a standalone?

On the occasions where an Execution Error has occurred, it shows the 
Execution Error stack (which is desireable) but also puts the info 
into the Message Box and shows it (which is undesireable).  At no 
time do I want a user to see the Message Box.

Shari
-- 
Gypsy King games for
MAC and WlND0WS
http://www.gypsyware.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 17 00:19:53 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:19:53 -0500
Subject: Message Box
In-Reply-To: <a06020401c2717a847fcd@[192.168.2.38]>
References: <a06020401c2717a847fcd@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <464BD7E9.8050208@hyperactivesw.com>

Shari wrote:
> Is it safe to remove the Message Box from a standalone?

Yes. Rev doesn't normally add it, so you may have done that in the MC 
IDE. Easiest way to get rid of it is to go back to MC, remove it there 
with the resource mover, save the stack, and then re-open it in Rev.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu May 17 02:06:56 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 23:06:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: ctrl-y does a paste on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <464B7063.2050603@siboneylg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705162305560.3191-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Haven't tried it, but doesn't cntl-y do a repeat of previous action in M$
Word?

I don't think it does anymore, but I have this dim recollection of having
previously used cntl-y alot...

Judy

On Wed, 16 May 2007, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> Why does ctrl-y do a paste on Mac OS X?  It appears pasteKey is NOT
> sent, but the system does a paste just the same.
>
> Does anyone else see this?  This seems like a bug to me.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Peter Evensen
> http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
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From scott at cdroo.com  Thu May 17 02:22:58 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:22:58 +1000
Subject: ctrl-y does a paste on Mac?
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705162305560.3191-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <016401c7984b$d390f490$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Judy Perry" <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: ctrl-y does a paste on Mac?


> Haven't tried it, but doesn't cntl-y do a repeat of previous action in M$ 
> Word?

Yep.

> I don't think it does anymore, but I have this dim recollection of having 
> previously used cntl-y alot...

Still does in Word for XP.  Haven't got Word 2003 or Word 2007 so I can't 
say for those, though I do not see any reason why it would change...

Scott Kane
"In painting a tiger you can paint the skin, but not the bones."  Confucius



From wjm at wjm.org  Thu May 17 02:49:40 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 02:49:40 -0400
Subject: More - Read File at > 2GB Problem
References: <ff5186eb7189d90dc4db8d7b4037c0eb@wanadoo.fr>
	<5515A214-2249-4724-9B07-9B02E275E730@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <f2gtuh$vpn$1@sea.gmane.org>

Between the current position and .... what? :)


"Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote in 
message news:5515A214-2249-4724-9B07-9B02E275E730 at looktowindward.com...
> Hi,
>
> I managed to make it work by reading the difference between the  current 
> position and but it's *MUCH* slower! I'm dealing with 60GB+  files!!!





From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu May 17 04:50:37 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 09:50:37 +0100
Subject: More - Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <f2gtuh$vpn$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <ff5186eb7189d90dc4db8d7b4037c0eb@wanadoo.fr>
	<5515A214-2249-4724-9B07-9B02E275E730@looktowindward.com>
	<f2gtuh$vpn$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <387AE747-C9EF-4E95-B9E5-BDAC82BEDA50@looktowindward.com>

> Between the current position and .... what? :)

The local I need to read data from!

e.g. if I want to position the file at 129654

I have to set the position to 1 (by doing a read at 1) then read  
(129654 - 2, -1 cos we already read 1 character and another -1 to  
position to just before the required position).

Is this *really* no way of accessing a file with Random >2GB in  
RunRev?????

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


On 17 May 2007, at 07:49, Bill Marriott wrote:

> Between the current position and .... what? :)
>
>
> "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote in
> message news: 
> 5515A214-2249-4724-9B07-9B02E275E730 at looktowindward.com...
>> Hi,
>>
>> I managed to make it work by reading the difference between the   
>> current
>> position and but it's *MUCH* slower! I'm dealing with 60GB+  files!!!
>
>
>
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu May 17 05:11:06 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:11:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Getting Icon out of ResEdit doc
Message-ID: <562250.85248.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Try this lot:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ResKnife

http://www.abbottsys.com/co.html  (Can Opener)

http://resfork.sourceforge.net/en/

http://www.mathemaesthetics.com/Res24Info.html

(resorcerer)


Mind you: if you have found an icon you like why not
just do a screenshot and fiddle around with GIMP or
'another' graphic editing programme?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From jc at spl21.net  Thu May 17 05:27:21 2007
From: jc at spl21.net (John Craig)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:27:21 +0100
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <9F27EC25-D144-4CC5-A697-CB6564DA46F9@looktowindward.com>
References: <ff5186eb7189d90dc4db8d7b4037c0eb@wanadoo.fr>
	<9F27EC25-D144-4CC5-A697-CB6564DA46F9@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <464C1FF9.50606@spl21.net>

Hi, Dave.  I just tried a 4GB file with Suse Linux and it was lightening 
fast.
I read from position 3,221,225,472 (3GB mark).

Maybe it depends on platform?

JC


Dave wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have a File that is greater than 2GB in size. I am using:
>
> read from file theFile at myFilePosition for myCount
> put it into myFileData
>
> It all works fine until myFilePosition is greater than 2GB. Is there a 
> limit on the file position inside a file?
>
> I Calculate the value for myFilePosition based on number of factors.
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu May 17 05:57:39 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:57:39 +0100
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <464C1FF9.50606@spl21.net>
References: <ff5186eb7189d90dc4db8d7b4037c0eb@wanadoo.fr>
	<9F27EC25-D144-4CC5-A697-CB6564DA46F9@looktowindward.com>
	<464C1FF9.50606@spl21.net>
Message-ID: <1E42ED8E-E49A-48DB-84EB-D88FA6FF349F@azurevision.co.uk>

I seem to remember something about most OSs not supporting file sizes  
 > 2GB, and that anything that appeared bigger was actually several  
2GB files joined together.
But my only experience of this was using iMovie some time ago, where  
imported DV footage was automatically broken down into 2GB chunks.

Ian

On 17 May 2007, at 10:27, John Craig wrote:

> Hi, Dave.  I just tried a 4GB file with Suse Linux and it was  
> lightening fast.
> I read from position 3,221,225,472 (3GB mark).
>
> Maybe it depends on platform?



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu May 17 06:35:18 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:35:18 +0100
Subject: revCopyFolder and long file names
Message-ID: <7389C655-746A-4F7A-8D64-68B0667A1FCF@azurevision.co.uk>

I knew all about the long file name problems on OS X with older  
versions, but it appears to still be present in revCopyFolder in  
2.8.1 build 470. :-(

If either the original folder or destination folder names contain >  
32 chars, revCopyFolder fails with 'execution error'.

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4984

Anyone else seeing this?

Ian


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu May 17 06:38:03 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:38:03 +0100
Subject: revCopyFolder and long file names
In-Reply-To: <7389C655-746A-4F7A-8D64-68B0667A1FCF@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <7389C655-746A-4F7A-8D64-68B0667A1FCF@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <99CBED26-C0E7-4BF0-9F0A-C2CB0B19A16F@azurevision.co.uk>

On 17 May 2007, at 11:35, Ian Wood wrote:

> If either the original folder or destination folder names contain >  
> 32 chars, revCopyFolder fails with 'execution error'.

P.S. Does anyone have a workaround for this? Other than forking the  
code and using AppleScript/terminal commands on OS X...

Ian


From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Thu May 17 06:40:10 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:40:10 +0200
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <1E42ED8E-E49A-48DB-84EB-D88FA6FF349F@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OF6DD2F50E.315393E1-ONC12572DE.003A3589-C12572DE.003A9C40@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi

As far as i know, win32 can handle files above 900 GBs (i've seen a zip 
file that big, imagine how big the
xml file compressed within was!)... Some video systems breakdown big files 
to make them easier to read 
and moving the viewer from chapters to chapter (but this is just a 
software limit)... 

I dont think any modern system would have such a ridiculous limit...
What is possible is that rev depends on a pointer to the file which would 
be a signed interger limited near
the size of 2GBs...

Regards,
Xavier

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 17/05/2007 11:57:39:

> I seem to remember something about most OSs not supporting file sizes 
>  > 2GB, and that anything that appeared bigger was actually several 
> 2GB files joined together.
> But my only experience of this was using iMovie some time ago, where 
> imported DV footage was automatically broken down into 2GB chunks.
> 
> Ian
> 
> On 17 May 2007, at 10:27, John Craig wrote:
> 
> > Hi, Dave.  I just tried a 4GB file with Suse Linux and it was 
> > lightening fast.
> > I read from position 3,221,225,472 (3GB mark).
> >
> > Maybe it depends on platform?
> 


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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu May 17 06:43:40 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 11:43:40 +0100
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <OF6DD2F50E.315393E1-ONC12572DE.003A3589-C12572DE.003A9C40@deutsche-boerse.com>
References: <OF6DD2F50E.315393E1-ONC12572DE.003A3589-C12572DE.003A9C40@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <D3412AAC-A9E9-4C55-8F0D-9DC9217A4251@azurevision.co.uk>

It could have been a bad memory from the days of OS 9...

Ian

On 17 May 2007, at 11:40, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote:

> I dont think any modern system would have such a ridiculous limit...
> What is possible is that rev depends on a pointer to the file which  
> would
> be a signed interger limited near
> the size of 2GBs...



From pepetoo at cox.net  Thu May 17 09:33:23 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 06:33:23 -0700
Subject: Getting Icon out of ResEdit doc
In-Reply-To: <562250.85248.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <562250.85248.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E1CACBF5-5612-43B4-8EFA-AFAEE879977A@cox.net>

Thanks, Richmond. That is more or less what I am doing.

Joe Wilkins

On May 17, 2007, at 2:11 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

>
> Mind you: if you have found an icon you like why not
> just do a screenshot and fiddle around with GIMP or
> 'another' graphic editing programme?
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu May 17 11:19:23 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:19:23 +0100
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <OF6DD2F50E.315393E1-ONC12572DE.003A3589-C12572DE.003A9C40@deutsche-boerse.com>
References: <OF6DD2F50E.315393E1-ONC12572DE.003A3589-C12572DE.003A9C40@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <0CB240B0-DBB5-45FE-B765-E7147466A2B0@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

There are Mac OS APIs that pass 64 Bit values for the File Position  
and Read/Write Size, I guess RunRev is still using the 32-Bit value.

So, that's it then. Dead in the water! RunRev doesn't support files >  
2 GB on the Mac Platform! What a Croc!

It really would be nice to have some warning about this in the docs!

I'm not sure what to do now, I'm writing an app that has to access >  
2GB, should I just tell them that RunRev is not up to this task? Is  
there any other way of reading files > 2 GB in RunRev?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


On 17 May 2007, at 11:40, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote:

> Hi
>
> As far as i know, win32 can handle files above 900 GBs (i've seen a  
> zip
> file that big, imagine how big the
> xml file compressed within was!)... Some video systems breakdown  
> big files
> to make them easier to read
> and moving the viewer from chapters to chapter (but this is just a
> software limit)...
>
> I dont think any modern system would have such a ridiculous limit...
> What is possible is that rev depends on a pointer to the file which  
> would
> be a signed interger limited near
> the size of 2GBs...
>
> Regards,
> Xavier
>
> use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 17/05/2007 11:57:39:
>
>> I seem to remember something about most OSs not supporting file sizes
>>> 2GB, and that anything that appeared bigger was actually several
>> 2GB files joined together.
>> But my only experience of this was using iMovie some time ago, where
>> imported DV footage was automatically broken down into 2GB chunks.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On 17 May 2007, at 10:27, John Craig wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Dave.  I just tried a 4GB file with Suse Linux and it was
>>> lightening fast.
>>> I read from position 3,221,225,472 (3GB mark).
>>>
>>> Maybe it depends on platform?
>>
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu May 17 11:25:18 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 08:25:18 -0700
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <0CB240B0-DBB5-45FE-B765-E7147466A2B0@looktowindward.com>
References: <OF6DD2F50E.315393E1-ONC12572DE.003A3589-C12572DE.003A9C40@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <0CB240B0-DBB5-45FE-B765-E7147466A2B0@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <p06240803c2722382e70e@[192.168.1.103]>

Dave, Have you contacted support for the final word? This is somewhat serious.

sqb

>Hi,
>
>There are Mac OS APIs that pass 64 Bit values for the File Position 
>and Read/Write Size, I guess RunRev is still using the 32-Bit value.
>
>So, that's it then. Dead in the water! RunRev doesn't support 
>files > 2 GB on the Mac Platform! What a Croc!
>
>It really would be nice to have some warning about this in the docs!
>
>I'm not sure what to do now, I'm writing an app that has to access > 
>2GB, should I just tell them that RunRev is not up to this task? Is 
>there any other way of reading files > 2 GB in RunRev?
>
>Thanks a lot
>All the Best
>Dave
>

-- 


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s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From runr at prismpole.com  Thu May 17 12:21:57 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:21:57 -0400
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Message-ID: <ac00b0a4714213953676f491d015a0a1@prismpole.com>

Hi everyone,

This is my first post to this list.  I'm new to Rev (but much hypercard 
experience).  I have just spent a couple of days figuring something out 
(it may be a bug) so I thought I'd share it.  I am developing with 
Studio 2.81 and testing on an mac ibook G4 running 10.3.9.

To demonstrate the bug:
Step 1) create a new main stack and call it "myApp".
Step 2) Put this handler into the stack script:

   on shutdownrequest
      answer "This stack: "& the name of this stack &cr& "Quit now?" 
with "Yes" or "No"
      if it is "Yes" then pass shutdownrequest
   end shutdownrequest

Step 3) Save myApp, and then save it as a mac OS X standalone.
Step 4) Launch the standalone.
Step 5) Quit (by menu or commandkey Q) and choose "No".  (the behavior 
is as expected)
Step 6) Quit again.  This time the bug is evident...

On my system, the second (and all subsequent) quit brings up a dialog 
box with an unexpected result: This stack: stack "answer dialog"

I discovered this bug in myBigComplexApp, and the bug there is a bit 
different.  The first time I quit myBigComplexApp, "This stack" is 
"revExternalLibrary".  On the second and all subsequent quits "this 
stack" is "answer dialog". (as in the example above)

This is a problem for me because when a user quits myBigComplexApp I 
need to validate data and offer the user a chance to save the changes.  
In order to do this I need to determine what data entry card the user 
is viewing when the quit request occurs:

    on shutdownrequest  -- this does not work as expected because of the 
bug
       if the short name of this cd is "dataEntry1" then
         validateData1
       else if the short name of this cd is "dataEntry2" then
         validateData2
       end if
       offerChanceToSave
    end shutdownrequest

My workaround for the bug is as follows:

    on shutdownrequest
       put line 1 of the recentcards of stack "myBigComplexApp" into 
whichcard
       if the short name of whichcard is "dataEntry1" then
         validateData1
       else if the short name of whichcard is "dataEntry2" then
         validateData2
       end if
       offerChanceToSave
    end shutdownrequest

I am not all that confident in my workaround because I am not confident 
that I understand the nature of the bug.  As I mentioned above, the bug 
in (simple) myApp is a bit different than in myBigComplexApp.

Do any of you have any thoughts on whether this is a bug, whether it 
occurs on other platforms, and whether my workaround could be improved?

thanks, in advance, for your responses
--Michael Binder



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu May 17 12:47:40 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:47:40 -0600
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <ac00b0a4714213953676f491d015a0a1@prismpole.com>
References: <ac00b0a4714213953676f491d015a0a1@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <2ED100D3-D71C-4297-A15F-46797BBF1DCA@byu.edu>

Hi Michael. Welcome to the list.

On May 17, 2007, at 10:21 AM, Michael Binder wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> This is my first post to this list.  I'm new to Rev (but much  
> hypercard experience).  I have just spent a couple of days figuring  
> something out (it may be a bug) so I thought I'd share it.  I am  
> developing with Studio 2.81 and testing on an mac ibook G4 running  
> 10.3.9.
>
> To demonstrate the bug:
> Step 1) create a new main stack and call it "myApp".
> Step 2) Put this handler into the stack script:
>
>   on shutdownrequest
>      answer "This stack: "& the name of this stack &cr& "Quit now?"  
> with "Yes" or "No"
>      if it is "Yes" then pass shutdownrequest
>   end shutdownrequest
>
> Step 3) Save myApp, and then save it as a mac OS X standalone.
> Step 4) Launch the standalone.
> Step 5) Quit (by menu or commandkey Q) and choose "No".  (the  
> behavior is as expected)
> Step 6) Quit again.  This time the bug is evident...
>
> On my system, the second (and all subsequent) quit brings up a  
> dialog box with an unexpected result: This stack: stack "answer  
> dialog"

This is probably more an unexpected result than a bug. The problem  
seems to be caused by the nature of the message hierarchy. Every  
window in Rev is a stack, including the answer dialog, and every time  
you try to quit the Rev engine, a shutdownrequest will be sent to the  
current stack. If it's not handled by that stack it'll pass up the  
hierarchy until it finds a handler.

You might try this and see what happens:

   answer "This stack: " & the mainstack of this stack & cr & "Quit  
now?" etc.

You could also try putting one or more exceptions in your  
shutdownrequest handler:

   if the style of this stack is topLevel then -- would only execute  
if the stack receiving the shutdownrequest was non-modal.

   if the visible of this stack then -- would ensure shutdownrequest  
would only be handled in a visible stack

Or a combination of the above.
>
> I discovered this bug in myBigComplexApp, and the bug there is a  
> bit different.  The first time I quit myBigComplexApp, "This stack"  
> is "revExternalLibrary".  On the second and all subsequent quits  
> "this stack" is "answer dialog". (as in the example above)
>
> This is a problem for me because when a user quits myBigComplexApp  
> I need to validate data and offer the user a chance to save the  
> changes.  In order to do this I need to determine what data entry  
> card the user is viewing when the quit request occurs:
>
>    on shutdownrequest  -- this does not work as expected because of  
> the bug
>       if the short name of this cd is "dataEntry1" then
>         validateData1
>       else if the short name of this cd is "dataEntry2" then
>         validateData2
>       end if
>       offerChanceToSave
>    end shutdownrequest
>
> My workaround for the bug is as follows:
>
>    on shutdownrequest
>       put line 1 of the recentcards of stack "myBigComplexApp" into  
> whichcard
>       if the short name of whichcard is "dataEntry1" then
>         validateData1
>       else if the short name of whichcard is "dataEntry2" then
>         validateData2
>       end if
>       offerChanceToSave
>    end shutdownrequest
>
> I am not all that confident in my workaround because I am not  
> confident that I understand the nature of the bug.  As I mentioned  
> above, the bug in (simple) myApp is a bit different than in  
> myBigComplexApp.
>
> Do any of you have any thoughts on whether this is a bug, whether  
> it occurs on other platforms, and whether my workaround could be  
> improved?

Would it work to do data vaildation on closeStack instead of  
shutdownrequest?

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Thu May 17 13:00:01 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:00:01 -0500
Subject: Another "This should be easy but ... How do you edit a line?
Message-ID: <464C8A11.30609@crcom.net>

Sometimes it seems the simplest things are the hardest!!  I'm trying to 
draw a line on a card (which will be printed later) it's going to look 
like a spreadsheet when I'm done but I can't use the (useless) table 
fields from Rev.

My problem is that I can't get the lines straight (hor. or vert) and I 
can't figure out how to edit them in the property inspector (I'm using 
Galaxy by the way).  Every time I change one number (like upper left), 
all the other numbers adjust when I really want them to stay the way 
they were.  When I try and move the line, it changes the angle rather 
than the position.  Is there a way to draw (and move) simple vertical or 
horizontal lines?

len


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Thu May 17 13:28:40 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 13:28:40 -0400
Subject: Obtaining the hardware MacAddress ON WINDOWS
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705161530o5337ad6aj34ef651572e665f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <OF4D5AC800.07E344CE-ON852572DE.005EDD64-852572DE.005EFA8F@sealedair.com>

When you have Parallels or VMware installed on a Windows box, it created
multiple virtual NICs. Each one has its own MacAddress. I want to determine
the MacAddress of the REAL hosts NIC? It isn't in the registry, so how can
this be achieved? I have tried the following, but it returns all 4 NICs,
and you can't tell which one is real (and active):

function getWinMacAddress
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true
  put "net config rdr" into tShellCommand
  put shell(tShellCommand) into tNetInfo
  filter tNetInfo with "*NetBT_Tcpip*" -- last word is MacAddress
  put word -1 of line 1 of tNetInfo into tMacAddress
  return tMacAddress
end getWinMacAddress

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From shari at gypsyware.com  Thu May 17 13:26:11 2007
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 13:26:11 -0400
Subject: VirtualStore location
Message-ID: <a06020400c2723fdfc0fe@[192.168.2.38]>

Ken Ray had posted awhile back about Vista gotchas and the 
VirtualStore issue.  Is there a built in SpecialFolderPath to get the 
VirtualStore location without hardcoding it?  And if so, which engine 
did it come out in?

I'd like to be able to delete a file during uninstall if it has 
created one there.  (Or perhaps even Install, if a file already 
exists, to ensure the system doesn't launch an old file for a new 
download.)

Shari
-- 
Gypsy King games for
MAC and WlND0WS
http://www.gypsyware.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu May 17 13:28:24 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:28:24 +0100
Subject: Obtaining the hardware MacAddress ON WINDOWS
In-Reply-To: <OF4D5AC800.07E344CE-ON852572DE.005EDD64-852572DE.005EFA8F@sealedair.com>
References: <OF4D5AC800.07E344CE-ON852572DE.005EDD64-852572DE.005EFA8F@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <344BEA3B-CAD0-4719-9378-9204EE6E6E18@azurevision.co.uk>

Is the MAC address of the real hardware actually *visible* to the  
Windows install? I thought Parallels virtualised all network  
connections to the enclosed OS.

Ian

On 17 May 2007, at 18:28, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:

> When you have Parallels or VMware installed on a Windows box, it  
> created
> multiple virtual NICs. Each one has its own MacAddress. I want to  
> determine
> the MacAddress of the REAL hosts NIC?



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu May 17 13:34:57 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:34:57 -0300
Subject: End of U3?
Message-ID: <464C9241.5010809@howsoft.com>

My memory is failing me, and I haven't been following this thread very 
closely (I tend to get a bit lost in all this U3 stuff, since I don't 
use Windows anymore). Has anyone actually mentioned that Rev/Linux 2.6.1 
runs directly from a common pendrive with no problem at all? No setup. 
No hassle. Just copy it to the drive and run it.

All I hope is that the new Rev/Linux runs similarly with no hassle. Rev! 
Take care of it please!

[Sorry if I'm pointing out something that everybody knows already.]

Bob


From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu May 17 13:43:01 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:43:01 +0100
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c2722382e70e@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <OF6DD2F50E.315393E1-ONC12572DE.003A3589-C12572DE.003A9C40@deutsche-boerse
	.com> <0CB240B0-DBB5-45FE-B765-E7147466A2B0@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240803c2722382e70e@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <89A566F4-33C8-4239-AEBC-FF24960402BF@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I just sent them an email.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 17 May 2007, at 16:25, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Dave, Have you contacted support for the final word? This is  
> somewhat serious.
>
> sqb
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> There are Mac OS APIs that pass 64 Bit values for the File  
>> Position and Read/Write Size, I guess RunRev is still using the 32- 
>> Bit value.
>>
>> So, that's it then. Dead in the water! RunRev doesn't support  
>> files > 2 GB on the Mac Platform! What a Croc!
>>
>> It really would be nice to have some warning about this in the docs!
>>
>> I'm not sure what to do now, I'm writing an app that has to access  
>> > 2GB, should I just tell them that RunRev is not up to this task?  
>> Is there any other way of reading files > 2 GB in RunRev?
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 17 13:47:44 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:47:44 -0500
Subject: Another "This should be easy but ... How do you edit a line?
In-Reply-To: <464C8A11.30609@crcom.net>
References: <464C8A11.30609@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <464C9540.9070006@hyperactivesw.com>

Len Morgan wrote:
> Sometimes it seems the simplest things are the hardest!!  I'm trying to 
> draw a line on a card (which will be printed later) it's going to look 
> like a spreadsheet when I'm done but I can't use the (useless) table 
> fields from Rev.
> 
> My problem is that I can't get the lines straight (hor. or vert) and I 
> can't figure out how to edit them in the property inspector (I'm using 
> Galaxy by the way).  Every time I change one number (like upper left), 
> all the other numbers adjust when I really want them to stay the way 
> they were.  When I try and move the line, it changes the angle rather 
> than the position.  Is there a way to draw (and move) simple vertical or 
> horizontal lines?

Long-standing problem, but there are workarounds. To draw a straight 
line, hold down the shift key while dragging. To re-adjust the line with 
the mouse, select the line and choose "Reshape graphic" from the Object 
menu.

Or, in the property inspector, change the bottom location to the same 
number as the top location plus the height of the line (assuming a 
horizontal line; adjust the left/right for a vertical line.)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu May 17 13:49:44 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:49:44 -0700
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
Message-ID: <464C95B8.4050507@fourthworld.com>


While much slower, as a workaround in the meantime you could read the 
file in chunks until you get to the part you're interested in.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu May 17 13:55:54 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 10:55:54 -0700
Subject: Another "This should be easy but ... How do you edit a line?
Message-ID: <464C972A.3090103@fourthworld.com>

Len Morgan wrote:
> My problem is that I can't get the lines straight (hor. or vert) and I 
> can't figure out how to edit them in the property inspector (I'm using 
> Galaxy by the way).  Every time I change one number (like upper left), 
> all the other numbers adjust when I really want them to stay the way 
> they were.  When I try and move the line, it changes the angle rather 
> than the position.  Is there a way to draw (and move) simple vertical or 
> horizontal lines?

Jacque's recommendation will work in the IDE, but if you want to deliver 
a drawing environment to your users you'll want this addressed in the 
engine.

Please consider adding your votes to the 89 already logged here:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=624>

Also, when delivering a drawing environment the global nature of the 
tool property is problematic.  This request simplifies things 
tremendously, and opens up a wide range of application categories for Rev:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=623>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu May 17 14:14:31 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:14:31 +0100
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <464C95B8.4050507@fourthworld.com>
References: <464C95B8.4050507@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E55CB579-DEF9-4FCF-875C-0399C1EDABFA@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

That's what I'm doing, but it's *way* too slow and crashes if you  
read too much data. I've got a 60+ GB file and need to read at  
"random" positions in the file. Moving from somewhere near the start  
to somewhere near the end takes minutes! The ironic thing is that the  
data I want to read when I get there is quite small!

All the Best
Dave

On 17 May 2007, at 18:49, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> While much slower, as a workaround in the meantime you could read  
> the file in chunks until you get to the part you're interested in.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Thu May 17 14:43:35 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:43:35 -0400
Subject: Obtaining the hardware MacAddress ON WINDOWS
In-Reply-To: <344BEA3B-CAD0-4719-9378-9204EE6E6E18@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OF6867E4FB.D5BFF640-ON852572DE.00665E6C-852572DE.0065D61C@sealedair.com>

Ian Wood wrote:
> Is the MAC address of the real hardware actually *visible* to the
> Windows install? I thought Parallels virtualised all network
> connections to the enclosed OS.
>
> Ian

I need to determine the REAL MacAddress, NOT from within the enclosed
"guest" OS. Parallels is installed, but not running. However the virtual
NICs are still visible as if they were real. The results of the shell
command "net config rdr" returns all of them. All I am concerned with is
which one is real.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Thu May 17 14:38:22 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 12:38:22 -0600
Subject: Obtaining the hardware MacAddress ON WINDOWS
In-Reply-To: <OF6867E4FB.D5BFF640-ON852572DE.00665E6C-852572DE.0065D61C@sealedair.com>
References: <344BEA3B-CAD0-4719-9378-9204EE6E6E18@azurevision.co.uk>
	<OF6867E4FB.D5BFF640-ON852572DE.00665E6C-852572DE.0065D61C@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <35dd87520705171138l1517ec77h807f778cf7a42eb2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello.

Based on the details you've provied, you could compare the MAC address
of the real computer (found by typing "ifconfig en0" for Ethernet and
"ifconfig en1" into terminal or using "get shell([command here])" in
Revolution) to the MAC addresses in your guest OS from parallels
(shell command "net config rdr"). If any of the MAC Addresses match,
then that will take you a step closer to figuring out the "real" MAC
address.

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu May 17 14:43:58 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:43:58 +0100
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <E55CB579-DEF9-4FCF-875C-0399C1EDABFA@looktowindward.com>
References: <464C95B8.4050507@fourthworld.com>
	<E55CB579-DEF9-4FCF-875C-0399C1EDABFA@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <00887566-0E24-4C2E-A6F5-F977AD992A61@azurevision.co.uk>

Are you reading from the beginning of the file to the part you need,  
or going straight to the "random" position?

Ian

On 17 May 2007, at 19:14, Dave wrote:

> That's what I'm doing, but it's *way* too slow and crashes if you  
> read too much data. I've got a 60+ GB file and need to read at  
> "random" positions in the file. Moving from somewhere near the  
> start to somewhere near the end takes minutes! The ironic thing is  
> that the data I want to read when I get there is quite small!
>
> On 17 May 2007, at 18:49, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> While much slower, as a workaround in the meantime you could read  
>> the file in chunks until you get to the part you're interested in.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 17 14:44:11 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 13:44:11 -0500
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <E55CB579-DEF9-4FCF-875C-0399C1EDABFA@looktowindward.com>
References: <464C95B8.4050507@fourthworld.com>
	<E55CB579-DEF9-4FCF-875C-0399C1EDABFA@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <464CA27B.4060104@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> That's what I'm doing, but it's *way* too slow and crashes if you read 
> too much data. I've got a 60+ GB file and need to read at "random" 
> positions in the file. Moving from somewhere near the start to somewhere 
> near the end takes minutes! The ironic thing is that the data I want to 
> read when I get there is quite small!

There is a limit to the total addressable RAM space that Rev can use. 
It's 4 gigs on 32-bit systems, and 16P on 64-bit systems. I believe that 
Rev works with 64-bit systems (for two reasons: they said it would, and 
it is documented) so it may be that you are reaching one of the limits. 
However, my brain cannot process how large 16P is so I'm not sure. 
What's that in gigs?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu May 17 14:46:03 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:46:03 +0100
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <00887566-0E24-4C2E-A6F5-F977AD992A61@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <464C95B8.4050507@fourthworld.com>
	<E55CB579-DEF9-4FCF-875C-0399C1EDABFA@looktowindward.com>
	<00887566-0E24-4C2E-A6F5-F977AD992A61@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <31E93D50-CD6F-4D2E-9B02-543742BCC5C0@azurevision.co.uk>

Sorry, just read the original post again.

Ian

On 17 May 2007, at 19:43, Ian Wood wrote:

> Are you reading from the beginning of the file to the part you  
> need, or going straight to the "random" position?



From runr at prismpole.com  Thu May 17 16:18:59 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:18:59 -0400
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Message-ID: <59598354f2c9871498075f4ba0f86b8b@prismpole.com>

Devon Asay wrote:

> You might try this and see what happens:
>
>  if the style of this stack is topLevel then -- would only execute
> if the stack receiving the shutdownrequest was non-modal.
>
>    if the visible of this stack then -- would ensure shutdownrequest
> would only be handled in a visible stack

Hi Devon,
I don't think that is a solution.  The problem with your suggestion
is that "this stack" does not evaluate to "myApp".

Likewise, when I write:  "the short name of this cd", it never
evaluates to the name of the card that the user is quitting from.

Did you try to replicate the bug with the example I gave?

--Michael Binder



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu May 17 16:59:41 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:59:41 -0600
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <59598354f2c9871498075f4ba0f86b8b@prismpole.com>
References: <59598354f2c9871498075f4ba0f86b8b@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <258399D5-4670-48B6-BCBC-EAC1BCD30341@byu.edu>


On May 17, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Michael Binder wrote:

> Devon Asay wrote:
>
>> You might try this and see what happens:
>>
>>  if the style of this stack is topLevel then -- would only execute
>> if the stack receiving the shutdownrequest was non-modal.
>>
>>    if the visible of this stack then -- would ensure shutdownrequest
>> would only be handled in a visible stack
>
> Hi Devon,
> I don't think that is a solution.  The problem with your suggestion
> is that "this stack" does not evaluate to "myApp".

Did you try my other suggestion?

  answer "This stack: " & the mainstack of this stack & cr & "Quit  
now?" etc.
>
> Likewise, when I write:  "the short name of this cd", it never
> evaluates to the name of the card that the user is quitting from.
>
> Did you try to replicate the bug with the example I gave?

Yes I did try it and it did just what you said. And that may or may  
not be a bug. It seems more like a message hierarchy issue. It should  
do what you want if instead of 'this stack' you refer to 'the  
mainstack of this stack' or do a check like this:

on shutdownrequest
   if the short name of this stack = the short name of me then...
     etc.

It should only execute the statements in shutdownrequest if in fact  
this stack is stack "myApp".

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 17 17:02:40 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:02:40 -0500
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <59598354f2c9871498075f4ba0f86b8b@prismpole.com>
References: <59598354f2c9871498075f4ba0f86b8b@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <464CC2F0.50404@hyperactivesw.com>

Michael Binder wrote:
> Devon Asay wrote:
> 
>> You might try this and see what happens:
>>
>>  if the style of this stack is topLevel then -- would only execute
>> if the stack receiving the shutdownrequest was non-modal.
>>
>>    if the visible of this stack then -- would ensure shutdownrequest
>> would only be handled in a visible stack
> 
> Hi Devon,
> I don't think that is a solution.  The problem with your suggestion
> is that "this stack" does not evaluate to "myApp".
> 
> Likewise, when I write:  "the short name of this cd", it never
> evaluates to the name of the card that the user is quitting from.

Right, that's what Devin's suggestion evaluates -- whether the card or 
stack that gets the shutdownrequest message is yours or not. If the 
stack is not a toplevel stack or the stack isn't visible (assuming your 
standalone mainstack is always visible) then the stack that received the 
message isn't one you want to handle. You could also check this way:

   if the short name of this stack is the mainstack of this stack then...

which would be true if it's your stack and false if it's not. There are 
other tests you could devise if you have several stacks you want to 
respond to.

In any case, you'd only evaluate the data if the stack that is being 
closed is yours, and you'd just pass the closestackrequest message if it 
wasn't. For example:

on closeStackRequest
  if the short name of this stack is the mainstack of this stack then
    -- do your data evaluation, it's your stack
  end if
  pass closeStackRequest -- pass it in all cases
end closeStackRequest

I agree that you are probably seeing the effects of a multi-window 
environment (something HyperCard didn't have.) The stack you are looking 
at isn't necessarily the first recipient of a system message. (See 
"defaultstack" in the dictionary; it's a new concept for 
ex-HyperCarders.) Stacks can be at the front of the message hierarchy 
even while not being visible, or not being "physically" in front. Using 
the above technique, you bypass the problem by only responding to the 
message if the stack that receives it is yours.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Thu May 17 17:12:19 2007
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:12:19 +0200
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>

Dear Revolutionists,

A warm thank you very much to Runrev for having fixed more than 240  
bugs.

I would like to know how successfull is the open beta and what  
criterion have been defined at the beginning of the quality way last  
November. It would be interested to get the results of the last open  
beta anonymous survey.

With my background in scientific research let me try to present  
formally known data about Revolution bugs and make some comments  
carefully:

MOTIVATIONS AND OBJECTIVES:
- I have personally reported major or blocking bugs still unresolved  
nor closed (even more than a year old).
- Respectable persons were unfairly flamed for having objectively and  
politely requested about the quality work and to understand  
procedures transparently (that's ISO 9xxx quality management  
procedures, isn't it?).
- Public declarations, apologizes and/or promises not to repeat  
*exceptional* unhappy events from Runrev appeared to me a different  
story from facts reported by the rev-list and experiences.
- Actually I want to get a better picture of what's really the gain  
of the current quality step initiated by Runrev and then the future I  
can expect for my favorite IDE.

METHOD:
- Queries done today (2007-05-17) with the most recent version of  
stack "STSRevZilla".

RESULT:
- At the time of the queries RevZilla found that 1879 bugs are  
neither resolved, nor closed:
   580 are new, the oldest one was created on 2003-10-28
   129 are pending, the oldest one was created on 2003-10-24
   1079 are new, the oldest one was created on 2003-06-16
   53 are assigned, most are enhancement requests, 2 are major, 1  
minor, one norma, the oldest one was created on 2003-06-24
   37 are reopened, oldest created on 2003-08-12
  1 is verified, created on 2005-06-15.

- RevZilla found that 3067 bugs are either resolved or closed:
   2729 bugs are marked resolved.
   338 bugs are marked closed.

- Among the 1879 bugs that are neither resolved, nor closed today:
   227 has severity of "blocker", "critical" or "major" (126 bugs  
before 2006-11-10 and 103 bugs reported during the open beta process).
   821 has severity "enhancement".

- The Open Community Beta for 2.7.5 has been annonced on November  
10th 2006 (http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/ 
newsletter1.php).
- the first bug notified on 2006-11-10 is #3967 (concerning version  
2.6.1 it is now resolved/closed).
- the first bug notified on 2006-11-10 for version 2.7.5 is #3968  
(now closed/not a bug).
- since this opening date 1013 bugs have been notified and  
categorized as followed:
   345 bugs have been notified (created) and resolved.
    85 bugs have been notified and closed.
  584 bugs have been notified but still neither resolved nor closed.

COMMENTS:
- Remember that some of the bugs notified in revzilla are enhancement  
requests.
- Out of the 1879 remainging reported bugs 584 of them has been  
reported after the beginning of the open beta, i.e. 1295 bugs  
reported prior the beta are still uncovered.
- It is surprising that as many as 227 bugs marked as "blocker",  
"critical" or "major" have not been processed during this quality  
step. 45% of them have been reported during the open beta process  
(126 of them were known prior the begining of the open beta and 103  
has been reported during the process).
- Because stsRevzilla does not let us search the date a bug is closed  
or resolved then it is simply difficult to compare the results above  
with the past state of November 2006. This comparison would have been  
interested in order to answer if Runrev has actually made a progress  
and how much of its resources it has spent in fixing new bugs  
introduced during this Open Beta process. Of course you should study  
this with care because among the 1013 bugs notified since November  
some are bugs present but not reported in older releases or new bugs  
introduced between 2.7.4 and the 2.8.1. Have a look to the list of   
bugs (since #3967) to make your own opinion on the amount of wasted  
workload the open beta may have self generated.
- So, impossible to know how Runrev count the 240+ bugs fixed.
- Also a deeper study would be necessary to evaluate how bugs were  
prioritized in the fix: is priority choosen by severity, by reporter,  
by date, by vote count?

CONCLUSIONS:
I dont want to comment on the success of this Open Community Beta. Of  
course this is not my job but among the other reasons, by rereading  
the original newsletter article, the objectives are still imprecise  
to me. So I let you make your own conclusions, positives and  
negatives, if applicable for you, and in such a context (this is no  
scientific way) tightly bound to your own expectations I guess. Just  
a few remarks:

1.- I am thankful to Runrev for trying to make Revolution better  
quality and to ensure its future.

2.- I was happy to read so much excitements from major  
revolutionaries to applaude the 2.8.1 release on both the use and  
improve lists.

3.- But do they have so secret, quick and reliable benchmarking &  
quality control tools for testing the 2.8.1 in order to convince us  
that the quality is actually achieved, or is such excitement mostly  
emotional? Such a so early reactions speaks by itself to my  
understanding and I will look to the newly reported bugs next weeks.  
On the one way I can applaude together with the people who honor the  
hard work of Runrev in a difficult way - but on the other way when  
looking to the data results shown above I cannot say that Runrev has  
arrived to the top of the mountain and can take a break to enjoy the  
sunrise. Hopefully there are promises for a 2.9 soon. I wish Runrev  
not to have an additional 1013 reported bugs for this next step.

4.- I am not so sure that the integration of Altuit products is a  
major change for those who already got it. Consider that renewal fees  
will be higher for those who didn't need them and also for those who  
already got them. A major change, humm?

5.- I regret that persons like Bernard Devlin and some others have  
not been taken for serious on the essential background of their  
remarks and that people have been able to change the focus of such  
important discussions to specific problems, like some kind of  
peculiar bug, occulting truth and major issues professionals are  
facing today with the Revolution future. More users than the  
exceptions publicly trumpeted have experienced real issues. Dont mask  
your face!

6.- Please, before writing any reaction to my post, please, please,  
first read the facts and react objectively on data, not with unique  
emotions. My mother language is not english and I cannot render all  
the subtilities and nuances I would like to in my (preliminary)  
conclusions. Hopefully most of you will understand that when human  
beings like Bernard are despaired in a recurring situation then it is  
good that they react as sentinels to underline important issues in  
the strategy, the implementation of quality programs and the public  
relationship to customers' base. The motivation for such valuable  
sentinels is not to flame individual or company but to get solutions,  
better solutions to solve the issues customers are experiencing. It's  
an eternal and universal law that only the one (company or  
individual) who faces the truth and reacts appropriately stays alive  
for the long term and experiences a growth for the best. Remember  
what's happened to antic cities when citizens have not listened to  
their sentinels and had considered them with contempt!

Sincerely yours,
Joel





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu May 17 17:52:48 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:52:48 -0700
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
 remaining 1879?
Message-ID: <464CCEB0.6060103@fourthworld.com>

A well thought out and executed post, Joel.  Thanks for that.

I read your post twice, and maybe I'm just suffering from post-lunch lag 
but I couldn't figure out what you were proposing there.

What do you suggest?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu May 17 17:58:10 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:58:10 -0700
Subject: Volume Information?
Message-ID: <C2721E02.25CE9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hello List:

I'm wondering if anyone has any experience retrieving (what I believe is)
specific information about a volume, in this a USB stick: a product ID and a
vendor ID.

Anyone know where/how to retrieve this info from a system?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu May 17 17:59:13 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (mwieder)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:59:13 -0700
Subject: Using Rev to Access MySql over the LAN
References: <4648FC54.5070309@hindu.org>	<A04D389F-07FE-4D9B-B422-5A851D1A5D9A@mac.com><p06240806c26eb8ad2016@[192.168.1.103]>
	<46496D32.8080702@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <f2ij7n$67h$1@sea.gmane.org>


"Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org> wrote in 
message news:46496D32.8080702 at hindu.org...

> I need to do some more testing.

Since it's not clear to me that this got resolved, here are a couple of 
hints:

Make sure your database has the right privileges:
> sudo mysql
mysql> grant all on dbname to username;
mysql> flush privileges;
mysql> exit

I believe MySQL by default limits accesses to localhost. I'm not sure where 
the config files will be on your system, but on my Kubuntu system I've got

/etc/mysql/my.cnf

find the line "bind-address = 127.0.0.1"
comment it (place a # in front of it)
restart networking:
sudo /etc/init.d/mysql restart

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From simplsol at aol.com  Thu May 17 18:13:59 2007
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:13:59 -0400
Subject: Volume Information?
In-Reply-To: <C2721E02.25CE9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C2721E02.25CE9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <8C966E7CD807F6D-9C0-236F@mblk-d35.sysops.aol.com>

Scott,
Ask Phil Davis - before he goes on vacation.
Paul Looney

-----Original Message-----
From: scott at tactilemedia.com
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: Thu, 17 May 2007 2:58 PM
Subject: Volume Information?

   Hello List:

I'm wondering if anyone has any experience retrieving (what I believe 
is)
specific information about a volume, in this a USB stick: a product ID 
and a
vendor ID.

Anyone know where/how to retrieve this info from a system?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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From runr at prismpole.com  Thu May 17 18:14:48 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:14:48 -0400
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Message-ID: <6052f3ccad7b643e5d01cbfd502ac264@prismpole.com>

Hi Devon and Jacqueline,

Thanks for the suggestions, I have read them several times but I still
don't see how they help me.  Maybe Jacqueline is right about hypercard
interfering with my thought process.

Jacqueline wrote:
>  [snip]  You could also check this way:
>
>    if the short name of this stack is the mainstack of this stack 
> then...
>
> which would be true if it's your stack and false if it's not.

OK, suppose I use this code and find that "this stack" is not myApp.  
Then
what do I do?

myApp is a mainstack with no substacks.  myApp has several dataentry 
cards.
I need to know which dataentry card the user was editing at the time of
the quit request.

The code you have provided will tell me whether or not its my stack.  
The
user was certainly in my stack when she made the Quit request.  I need
to know where in my stack the user was when she quit.  Asking the engine
whether

> the short name of this stack is the mainstack of this stack

doesn't tell me what card the user was editing when the Quit request was
made, does it?  My workaround was to get line 1 of the recentcards of
myApp on the theory that the user must have been there when the Quit
request was made.

By the way, myApp worked as I expected it to in the development 
environment.
Only when it is in the standalone environment does it seem confused 
about
the name of "this card" or "this stack".

I appreciate your efforts to help me, but I must be pretty dense.  Could
you please try harder?

thanks, Michael Binder



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 17 18:30:42 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:30:42 -0500
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
 remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <464CD792.2050507@hyperactivesw.com>

Joel Guillod wrote:

> - Also a deeper study would be necessary to evaluate how bugs were 
> prioritized in the fix: is priority choosen by severity, by reporter, by 
> date, by vote count?

As I understand it, they decide based on a combination of many things, 
including all the above (though I don't think the person who reports it 
matters very much.) Crashing bugs are always high priority. Blockers are 
difficult to decide, I suspect. If only one person says something is a 
blocker but the thousands of other users don't, then it is hard to 
decide whether to give that bug a higher priority than another bug of 
less severity that affects many people. In this case, votes may help the 
decision. Also, it is likely that when fixing one segment of the code 
base, it is easy to fix related bugs at the same time; that means some 
relatively minor bugs may get fixed simply because the engineers are 
looking at that segment of code at the moment.

Another factor is whether the bugs affect a feature that is scheduled 
for a rewrite in the future. If a feature is scheduled for a rewrite, it 
isn't worth fixing related bugs because after the rewrite they won't be 
relevant any more.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 17 18:42:30 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:42:30 -0500
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <6052f3ccad7b643e5d01cbfd502ac264@prismpole.com>
References: <6052f3ccad7b643e5d01cbfd502ac264@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <464CDA56.70901@hyperactivesw.com>

Michael Binder wrote:
> Hi Devon and Jacqueline,
> 
> Thanks for the suggestions, I have read them several times but I still
> don't see how they help me.  Maybe Jacqueline is right about hypercard
> interfering with my thought process.

Believe me, I went through it. ;)

> 
> Jacqueline wrote:
>>  [snip]  You could also check this way:
>>
>>    if the short name of this stack is the mainstack of this stack then...
>>
>> which would be true if it's your stack and false if it's not.
> 
> OK, suppose I use this code and find that "this stack" is not myApp.  Then
> what do I do?

As in my example handler, just pass the message and don't act on it. If 
it isn't your stack, do nothing.

> 
> myApp is a mainstack with no substacks.  myApp has several dataentry cards.
> I need to know which dataentry card the user was editing at the time of
> the quit request.

Ah, I see. Okay. Then you want:

   put the id of this card of stack "myApp" into thisCd

Now "thisCd" contains the id of the card. Or you could ask for the short 
name of the card if that's easier and your cards are all named.


> 
> The code you have provided will tell me whether or not its my stack.  The
> user was certainly in my stack when she made the Quit request.  I need
> to know where in my stack the user was when she quit.  Asking the engine
> whether
> 
>> the short name of this stack is the mainstack of this stack
> 
> doesn't tell me what card the user was editing when the Quit request was
> made, does it?  My workaround was to get line 1 of the recentcards of
> myApp on the theory that the user must have been there when the Quit
> request was made.

That will work too I suppose; I'm trying to think if that could trip you 
up but nothing comes to mind. So you're probably good to go after all.

> I appreciate your efforts to help me, but I must be pretty dense.  Could
> you please try harder?

No, not dense at all. There's a learning curve. I've said before that I 
think us old HyperCarders have a harder time than others, because 
everything seems like it should be exactly the same -- and then when it 
isn't, it throws you for a loop. Been there. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From hershf at rgllc.us  Thu May 17 18:48:24 2007
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:48:24 -0400
Subject: Externals databasse
Message-ID: <C27253F8.27B9%hershf@rgllc.us>

Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could connect to
a database in a standalone (postgres in my case) is by manually coping the
standalone database library from version 2.7 into the database external
folder of the standalone application.
Thank you,
Hershel



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu May 17 19:57:16 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:57:16 -0700
Subject: ctrl-y does a paste on Mac?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705162305560.3191-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <C27239EC.4626A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

cmd-y *does* repeat most of the commands that are available in an MS app
(Excel & Word do).  I really think that all apps should have this feature,
especially one like Photoshop, where so many things are in sub-sub menus or
multi-tabbed dialog boxes.

I would like a "Recent Action" menu in many apps since I do the same series
of actions to many objects.

Actually, in Hypercard 1.0, one of the things that Kevin Altis created and I
(in my Portland, Oregon days) expanded on was a msg box and command history
menu.  Very cool to have the most recent commands in a menu that was easy to
maintain.

on domenu which
  --capture, store, format, update menu "History"
  pass domenu
end domenu


On 5/16/07 11:06 PM, "Judy Perry" <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:

> Haven't tried it, but doesn't cntl-y do a repeat of previous action in M$
> Word?
> 
> I don't think it does anymore, but I have this dim recollection of having
> previously used cntl-y alot...
> 
> Judy




From runr at prismpole.com  Thu May 17 19:57:26 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:57:26 -0400
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Message-ID: <0d76998ae91b8cbc2ef6f5a25524fb32@prismpole.com>

Hi Jacqueline,

You wrote:
> Ah, I see. Okay. Then you want:
>
>    put the id of this card of stack "myApp" into thisCd
>
> Now "thisCd" contains the id of the card. Or you could ask for the 
> short
> name of the card if that's easier and your cards are all named.

I don't think that works.  That is (more or less) what I originally
tried.  From my original post:

> on shutdownrequest  -- this does not work as expected
>    if the short name of this cd is "dataEntry1" then
>       validateData1
>     else if the short name of this cd is "dataEntry2" then
>        validateData2
>     end if
>       offerChanceToSave
> end shutdownrequest
>

What I have found is that "this stack" doesn't evaluate
to the stack that the user is looking at.  Also "this card"
doesn't evaluate to the name or the ID of the card that the
user is looking at. (How could the engine know what "this
card" is if it doesn't even know what "this stack" is?)

Two things make me think that that this is a bug:
1) it behaves differently in the development and standalone
    environments

2) in the standalone environment the first Quit request
    behaves differently than the second and subsequent
    requests.

I have searched the list archives for help with Quitting.
(Thanks, especially, to Ken Ray for his contributions).
I know that there are plenty of projects out there that
need to trap the Quit command and do various things.  How
do others manage to figure out where the user was when the
Quit command was issued?

__Michael Binder



From mark at maseurope.net  Thu May 17 20:10:30 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 01:10:30 +0100
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <0d76998ae91b8cbc2ef6f5a25524fb32@prismpole.com>
References: <0d76998ae91b8cbc2ef6f5a25524fb32@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <2DA521BE-FD2D-4E0E-8862-750B47A2A139@maseurope.net>

Michael, Jacques suggestion was

> put the id of this card of stack "myApp" into thisCd

The stack reference is explicit, and 'this cd' with an explicit stack  
reference will refer to the current card of the named stack, so  
should do what you need...


Best,

Mark

On 18 May 2007, at 00:57, Michael Binder wrote:

> Also "this card"
> doesn't evaluate to the name or the ID of the card that the
> user is looking at. (How could the engine know what "this
> card" is if it doesn't even know what "this stack" is?)



From michael.rr at mdmays.com  Thu May 17 20:26:50 2007
From: michael.rr at mdmays.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:26:50 -0500
Subject: How do I get dragStart message sent?
Message-ID: <C5EEA562-9749-46F6-86C0-8E10BD020E27@mdmays.com>

I have a locked field with the following handlers:

on mouseDown
   set the dragdata ["text"] to me
end mouseDown

on dragStart
    beep
   pass dragStart
end dragStart

I never get a beep. In the Message Watcher I see
mouseDown
dragLeave
dragEnter
dragMove

What do I do to get the dragStart to be sent?

(What are the numbers in parentheses at the end of each line in the  
Message Watcher?
What are the messages types and are they handled differently?)

Thanks,
Michael


From pepetoo at cox.net  Thu May 17 21:08:32 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:08:32 -0700
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <0d76998ae91b8cbc2ef6f5a25524fb32@prismpole.com>
References: <0d76998ae91b8cbc2ef6f5a25524fb32@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <058F226C-3090-4325-A164-9F77D298F4B8@cox.net>

Michael, isn't there a premenu msg that could be called before the  
Quit item is selected that might facilitate this? Of course, you'd  
also have to do a precommandkey. I don't know that there is such a  
critter in Rev, but we had it in FB and just thought...

Joe Wilkins

On May 17, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Michael Binder wrote:

> Hi Jacqueline,
>
> You wrote:
>> Ah, I see. Okay. Then you want:
>>
>>    put the id of this card of stack "myApp" into thisCd
>>
>> Now "thisCd" contains the id of the card. Or you could ask for the  
>> short
>> name of the card if that's easier and your cards are all named.
>
> I don't think that works.  That is (more or less) what I originally
> tried.  From my original post:
>
>> on shutdownrequest  -- this does not work as expected
>>    if the short name of this cd is "dataEntry1" then
>>       validateData1
>>     else if the short name of this cd is "dataEntry2" then
>>        validateData2
>>     end if
>>       offerChanceToSave
>> end shutdownrequest
>>
>
> What I have found is that "this stack" doesn't evaluate
> to the stack that the user is looking at.  Also "this card"
> doesn't evaluate to the name or the ID of the card that the
> user is looking at. (How could the engine know what "this
> card" is if it doesn't even know what "this stack" is?)
>
> Two things make me think that that this is a bug:
> 1) it behaves differently in the development and standalone
>    environments
>
> 2) in the standalone environment the first Quit request
>    behaves differently than the second and subsequent
>    requests.
>
> I have searched the list archives for help with Quitting.
> (Thanks, especially, to Ken Ray for his contributions).
> I know that there are plenty of projects out there that
> need to trap the Quit command and do various things.  How
> do others manage to figure out where the user was when the
> Quit command was issued?
>
> __Michael Binder
>
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Thu May 17 21:58:50 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 18:58:50 -0700
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <058F226C-3090-4325-A164-9F77D298F4B8@cox.net>
References: <0d76998ae91b8cbc2ef6f5a25524fb32@prismpole.com>
	<058F226C-3090-4325-A164-9F77D298F4B8@cox.net>
Message-ID: <029DB00E-71DF-4FB7-98F6-6196AED91D74@cox.net>

Obviously, I was all wet. At least I can't find any event such as I  
was presupposing might exist.

Joe Wilkins

On May 17, 2007, at 6:08 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Michael, isn't there a premenu msg that could be called before the  
> Quit item is selected that might facilitate this? Of course, you'd  
> also have to do a precommandkey. I don't know that there is such a  
> critter in Rev, but we had it in FB and just thought...
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On May 17, 2007, at 4:57 PM, Michael Binder wrote:
>
>> Hi Jacqueline,
>>
>> You wrote:
>>> Ah, I see. Okay. Then you want:
>>>
>>>    put the id of this card of stack "myApp" into thisCd
>>>
>>> Now "thisCd" contains the id of the card. Or you could ask for  
>>> the short
>>> name of the card if that's easier and your cards are all named.
>>
>> I don't think that works.  That is (more or less) what I originally
>> tried.  From my original post:
>>
>>> on shutdownrequest  -- this does not work as expected
>>>    if the short name of this cd is "dataEntry1" then
>>>       validateData1
>>>     else if the short name of this cd is "dataEntry2" then
>>>        validateData2
>>>     end if
>>>       offerChanceToSave
>>> end shutdownrequest
>>>
>>
>> What I have found is that "this stack" doesn't evaluate
>> to the stack that the user is looking at.  Also "this card"
>> doesn't evaluate to the name or the ID of the card that the
>> user is looking at. (How could the engine know what "this
>> card" is if it doesn't even know what "this stack" is?)
>>
>> Two things make me think that that this is a bug:
>> 1) it behaves differently in the development and standalone
>>    environments
>>
>> 2) in the standalone environment the first Quit request
>>    behaves differently than the second and subsequent
>>    requests.
>>
>> I have searched the list archives for help with Quitting.
>> (Thanks, especially, to Ken Ray for his contributions).
>> I know that there are plenty of projects out there that
>> need to trap the Quit command and do various things.  How
>> do others manage to figure out where the user was when the
>> Quit command was issued?
>>
>> __Michael Binder
>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 17 22:33:46 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:33:46 -0500
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <0d76998ae91b8cbc2ef6f5a25524fb32@prismpole.com>
References: <0d76998ae91b8cbc2ef6f5a25524fb32@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <464D108A.2000305@hyperactivesw.com>

Michael Binder wrote:
> Hi Jacqueline,
> 
> You wrote:
>> Ah, I see. Okay. Then you want:
>>
>>    put the id of this card of stack "myApp" into thisCd
>>
>> Now "thisCd" contains the id of the card. Or you could ask for the short
>> name of the card if that's easier and your cards are all named.
> 
> I don't think that works.  That is (more or less) what I originally
> tried.  From my original post:
> 
>> on shutdownrequest  -- this does not work as expected
>>    if the short name of this cd is "dataEntry1" then
>>       validateData1
>>     else if the short name of this cd is "dataEntry2" then
>>        validateData2
>>     end if
>>       offerChanceToSave
>> end shutdownrequest

Your way is a little different, the handler just asks for "this card". 
When there is no stack reference, the engine will assume you mean the 
current defaultstack and look there for the card. (Remember, the stack 
you are looking at is not necessarily the defaultstack.) The 
defaultstack is the one that will receive all messages first, and it 
changes depending on various events. In your app, some action (in one 
case, the "answer" command) is triggering another stack to become the 
defaultstack.

A sidenote: The answer dialog is not built into the engine the way it is 
in HyperCard. The dialog is just a regular stack, and receives messages 
like any other.

Note that the defaultstack doesn't matter at all if you provide a full 
stack reference. Adding "of stack <mystack>" to a card reference forces 
the engine to look in the stack you designate. All your original script 
needs is a little tweak:

if the short name of this cd of stack "myApp" is "dataEntry1" then...

> What I have found is that "this stack" doesn't evaluate
> to the stack that the user is looking at.

Right. It evaluates to the current defaultstack.

   Also "this card"
> doesn't evaluate to the name or the ID of the card that the
> user is looking at.

Same deal; it evaluates to the current card of the defaultstack.

> (How could the engine know what "this
> card" is if it doesn't even know what "this stack" is?)

The engine knows. Back in HyperCard, only one stack could be open at a 
time. Even after multiple windows were introduced, at the engine level 
there was really only one stack. Any stacks that weren't topmost were 
actually gone; only their image was left on screen. Because there was 
only one, "this stack" was always the one you were looking at.

In Revolution you can have many real stacks open at a time, and any of 
them can be "this stack" whether they are drawn at the front or not, or 
even if they are invisible. It's possible to set the defaultstack in a 
script, so that you can work with another stack as though it were "this 
stack" while leaving the original stack at the front. This is handy for 
doing all kinds of things in the background, while to the user the front 
stack never appears to change.

The engine tracks stacks several ways, two of which are "topstack" and 
"defaultstack". Sometimes they are the same thing, and often the stack 
that is visible and in front of all the others is both. But not always.

One extensive use of "defaultstack" is in the message box (which is also 
just another scripted stack.) When you put a command into the message 
box, its script sets the defaultstack before executing your command. 
That allows the commands you type to go to your stack instead of being 
sent to the message box stack.

> I know that there are plenty of projects out there that
> need to trap the Quit command and do various things.  How
> do others manage to figure out where the user was when the
> Quit command was issued?

The best way is the way you've done it -- ask the engine about the stack 
and branch the script behavior based on what you get back. All your 
original handler needs is a stack reference.

It might all come clear if you take a look at the dictionary entries for 
"topstack" and "defaultstack".

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 17 22:54:01 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:54:01 -0500
Subject: How do I get dragStart message sent?
In-Reply-To: <C5EEA562-9749-46F6-86C0-8E10BD020E27@mdmays.com>
References: <C5EEA562-9749-46F6-86C0-8E10BD020E27@mdmays.com>
Message-ID: <464D1549.6070807@hyperactivesw.com>

Michael D Mays wrote:
> 
> What do I do to get the dragStart to be sent?

I think text has to be selected. Is there a selection?

> 
> (What are the numbers in parentheses at the end of each line in the 
> Message Watcher?

Good question. Milliseconds? Some kind of timing I think, since it 
changes depending on how fast I move the mouse.

> What are the messages types and are they handled differently?)

Message types are primarily either command or function. It's 
informational only and has no impact on the MW. Types and object 
references are only displayed if "Handled" messages are not suppressed.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu May 17 22:55:44 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:55:44 -0500
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705171955x302dbd69u7fa2e70e871bebb@mail.gmail.com>

Joel,

I, too, read your dissertation, and like Richard couldn't quite grasp what
you are getting at. Perhaps a simple paragraph explaining what you're after
would help.

-Chipp


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 17 22:56:21 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 21:56:21 -0500
Subject: How do I get dragStart message sent?
In-Reply-To: <464D1549.6070807@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C5EEA562-9749-46F6-86C0-8E10BD020E27@mdmays.com>
	<464D1549.6070807@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <464D15D5.7090204@hyperactivesw.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Types and object 
> references are only displayed if "Handled" messages are not suppressed.
> 

I said that backwards. Handled messages *need* to be suppressed...or 
whatever it is when the checkbox is ticked. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bvg at mac.com  Fri May 18 00:03:12 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 06:03:12 +0200
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>

I guess his point is that he gathered some data, and that by that data 
the beta was not a huge success at increasing the resolved bugs, as 
claimed by some. I myself are inclined to agree, because of this:

1879 bugs are not handled
584 bugs of these where entered after the open beta was announced
3067 bugs are handled
430 of these handled bugs where entered after the open beta

So 3067 of total 4946 have been handled, that is a percentage of ca. 62%
However only 430 of 1014 bugs have been solved during the open beta, 
making it 42% percent.
So the percentage of solved bugs during the beta is actually worse then 
over all.

Another possible comparision:
The beta was only ca. 6 month's, and bug 1 was filled June 2003, or ca. 
35 months ago. Thus 88 bugs per month where solved overall vs. 72 per 
month during the beta.
This second comparison is a bit closer, but still unfavourable for the 
beta.

Of course with such small numbers, one can not really draw a conclusive 
decision, because if a person was sick for a month during January 2007 
(for example), then the beta would suffer a much bigger setback then 
the overall score.

Still, based on these numbers, stating that the beta was a huge success 
in solving bugs is certainly an unfounded one, even if it was a success 
based on other criterias (like the satisfaction poll mentioned by bill 
some days ago).

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 18 00:19:26 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:19:26 -0500
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
 remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
	<d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
Message-ID: <464D294E.7040904@hyperactivesw.com>

Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> Of course with such small numbers, one can not really draw a conclusive 
> decision,

I think any comparisons need to subtract all the "pending" bugs from any 
totals. Bugs that are pending can't be addressed until more information 
is gathered, they are in an indecisive state. Many of them may not 
really be bugs, but that can't be proven until more info is gathered 
from the reporter. Pending bugs are more like "maybe bugs".

I also think all enhancement requests should be removed from the totals.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri May 18 00:30:41 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:30:41 -0500
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
	<d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705172130q735a30ccqeb30da146e79499d@mail.gmail.com>

I may not know how to use the new quality control center website. I
just did a quick search to find all the outstanding bugs with 'major'
or 'critical' or 'blocker' assigned.

blocker bugs: 160 Resolved or Closed of 191
critical bugs:  195 Resolved or Closed of 244
major bugs:    398 Resolved or Closed of 546

This also doesn't count the unconfirmed bugs which make little to no
sense, such as this one listed as Major:
The table have strange memory effect if I use it with a database.

1) when I press the key "populate table" the correct data are putting
into the table field
2) I click into a cell and appears the old text that I had written
before, but I have written these data many
days before (during this time I have opened and closed Revolution and
the AltuitSQLite3 Db)
3) when i click out of the table field all the old data appear, after
if I press the "populate table" key the
correct data is put into the table.
I am sure that the database contains only those data why I have
controls them with SQLite Browser 1.2.1"

Heck, I wrote that demo and even I can't figure out what this guy is saying!

>From where I sit, it looks like they're doing a pretty good job. It's
just my opinion.


From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri May 18 00:41:46 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:41:46 -0500
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
 remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <464D2E8A.8040504@dreamscapesoftware.com>

And an even warmer thank you to RunRev for incorporating at least 100
new enhancements into the 2.9 release!

(FYI: that's not a slander or flame... it's my "hope" for the future)

I have to say that I was more happy with this open beta then the last
one.  The main reason, I was actually asked for a list of my top 5 bugs
that I want to see resolved.  That gave me a voice, and I didn't have to
spend my time trying to get people to vote for my bug.  AND, the #1 bug
on my list was resolved, again (long story).

I, personally, find that determining priority for bugs should not be
based on how many votes a bug or enhancement may have, and for this
specific reason (mind you, I'm in the USA):  If there were 1,879
candidates in an election, nearly all of the voters will be unhappy with
the elected candidate.

I would prefer that bugs and enhancements would be handled like this:

 - Bugs that are determined to be critical (like crashes and destroyed
data) would be handled first, and, resolved for free.

 - Bugs and Enhancements that are not critical would be taken care of on
a first come/first serve basis, with status reports at least once a month.

But other than that, I'm really liking the way things are going with
Rev.  Every year the program gets stronger, and I'm not unhappy with
that in the least.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com


Joel Guillod wrote:
> A warm thank you very much to Runrev for having fixed more than 240 bugs.


From scott at cdroo.com  Fri May 18 00:49:45 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:49:45 +1000
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about
	theremaining 1879?
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com><179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch><d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210705172130q735a30ccqeb30da146e79499d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <016401c79907$f741e4a0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com>

> Heck, I wrote that demo and even I can't figure out what this guy is 
> saying!

ROFLMHO!!  Best chuckle all week - thanks Chipp!!   :-)

 >From where I sit, it looks like they're doing a pretty good job. It's just 
my opinion.

It's mine too.

Scott Kane
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a 
little way past them into the impossible."
Arthur C Clarke 



From wjm at wjm.org  Fri May 18 01:36:51 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 01:36:51 -0400
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch><d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<464D294E.7040904@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f2je1h$4te$1@sea.gmane.org>

I'm not going to argue that there are still too many unresolved bugs. There 
are.

However, there are several facts that seem to be overlooked, ignored, 
discounted, or chosen selectively by some:

1) RQCC is not authoritative.

- There are many open reports that are fixed but not actually marked as 
such.
- There are many reports miscategorized. Such as those marked "critical" 
just because someone thought this would get more attention or was critical 
*for them* but are not actually critical in the sense of data loss or 
crashing.
- Not all bugs are created equal. Some affect most users; some affect only a 
small number of users. Choosing what to work on first is part of the quality 
improvement process.
- A substantial number bugs are discovered and fixed within the development 
process without ever being reported in RQCC.
- Human/time limitations have prevented 100% comprehensive logging of 
activity in the system. Engineers have looked at issues that are still 
marked "unconfirmed" for example. There is steady effort to improve on this 
aspect.

2) No one ever said we're done.

- The version is "2.8.1" not "2.9"
- Linux support has been going on quietly behind the scenes throughout the 
open beta period. Many bugs are caused by code which is specifically being 
targetted for Linux, and those will resolve with the new engine. It makes no 
sense to fix/test those changes twice.
- Many other "generic" bug fixes -- ones that do not depend on Linux 
specifically -- are still in process and will be seen over the next series 
of betas.
- Even when version 2.9 is released, it will still have bugs. Every product 
more complex than a coffee mug has bugs.
- Some bugs are next to inscrutable. All are submitted by users who do not 
have formal training in testing or bug reporting. Every report is a 
considerable effort to understand, reproduce, and research, even if it's 
written well. It's a significant effort to work through RQCC items no matter 
how you slice it.
- The pace of bug fixing may not please everyone, but it is proceeding 
slowly and steadily.

3) Revolution 2.8.1 is a marked improvement over previous versions.

- 240+, 430+, 753+ -- There have been a lot of numbers thrown around. 
Whatever number you choose for resolved/fixed bugs, it numbers in the 
hundreds. RunRev marketing materials use the most conservative number, by 
design.
- The effectiveness of the process is best demonstrated by the perceived 
quality as reported by users. This has been overwhelmingly positive.
- The surveys back it up in a more empirical way, with EVERY measurement 
showing a 15% to 20% improvement over the baseline Beta 1 survey, and in 
many cases far exceeding that.
- More users than ever before, a solid majority, rate 2.8.1 as preferred 
over 2.6.1 (which I think is fair to say was the previous standard of 
stability).
- The integration of the new externals, especially the Browser and Database 
facilities, addresses many enhancement requests and provides solutions to 
previously impossible needs. They are definitely about Quality.

4) The "Open Beta" process is working well and going in the right direction.

- We have more users than ever enrolled in the RQCC.
- Those users are more active than ever before, filing more reports and 
comments.
- We have more beta testers than we ever have. Nearly 550, with more 
applications coming in regularly.
- Those testers have had a longer test period -- nearly six months -- to 
work with the product than ever before.
- The overwhelming majority of survey respondents rate the beta test emails 
(96%) and thoroghness of communications (87%) as Good or Excellent.
- RunRev made a major investment of time/resources to dramatically improve 
the beta test experience with the release of the new RQCC at the beginning 
of the Open Beta.
- Far from being "secretive" the RQCC is open to everyone, whether they are 
a paying customer or not, enabling the kind of review of warts we're seeing 
in this thread.

5) It is worthwhile to participate, RunRev is listening.

- The RQCC is a friendly, usable system which essentially did not exist 
before Open Beta. (We had Bugzilla but that was virtually unusable.)
- Engineers are more engaged in the bug reporting, research, feedback, and 
fixing process than ever before.
- The "Open Beta" is an effective way to uncover problems in the software 
before major versions are shipped. It did not exist before November.
- The surveys measuring satisfaction have never been conducted before. The 
results from survey #1 were eye-opening. The results from survey #2 are 
vastly improved, but still not where they should be. There will be 
additional betas and additional opportunity for constructive feedback that 
is truly read and considered.
- We've never before asked a large group of users to submit their "Top Five" 
issues directly to a human without going through the bug reporting or voting 
rigmarole... but that's exactly what we did with the Open Beta group.
- It is RunRev itself that has shined the light on quality with these and 
other initiatives, both visible and behind-the-scenes.
- RunRev is still committed to a even-better Revolution 2.9 release, and the 
measures above are the best way to make it happen.





From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri May 18 02:25:57 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 23:25:57 -0700
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
 remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <464D294E.7040904@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
	<d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<464D294E.7040904@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <82EC297D-06CC-4BE9-BECC-3D3FE3B13062@canelasoftware.com>


On May 17, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

>
>
> Of course with such small numbers, one can not really draw a  
> conclusive decision,

I think the answer to how successful this release and any other  
release is will be very subjective.  I don't think it is reasonable  
to expect the bug count to change by a given percentage.  I was one  
of the people that gave this release rave reviews simply because I  
can see and feel the difference from this version and my previous  
reliable 2.7.4.

I still have bugs that are over 2 years old that have not been  
fixed.  I have bugs that were only days old that did get fixed.  In  
my very subjective measure, 2.8.1 is a huge step forward when I look  
at the projects I am working on and how they perform.  Everyone's  
mileage will vary when it comes to gaging how significant a given  
release is.

If I am able to produce the commercial projects I am working on then  
all is good from my perspective.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From tominjapan at excite.com  Fri May 18 02:52:55 2007
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 02:52:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Vista and Mac Universal backward compatibility
Message-ID: <20070518065255.D4F3637424@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>


Sorry if this has been discussed already. I've been off the list for a while...doing my day job...blah.

Will apps built with Rev 2.6 be useable with the new operating systems by Mirosoft and Apple?

I'm assuming they will be!
Many thanks,
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri May 18 03:10:58 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:10:58 +1000
Subject: Vista and Mac Universal backward compatibility
In-Reply-To: <20070518065255.D4F3637424@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>
References: <20070518065255.D4F3637424@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705180010o3c864a1chcba634a027922330@mail.gmail.com>

> Sorry if this has been discussed already. I've been off the list for a while...doing my day job...blah.
>
> Will apps built with Rev 2.6 be useable with the new operating systems by Mirosoft and Apple?
>

As far as Mac goes, I think Rev 2.7 was the first version to be able
to build Universal binaries i.e. standalones that run natively on both
PowerPC & Intel Macs.

At the moment, PowerPC apps will run on Intel Macs using Rosetta
emulation, but who knows how long Apple will keep that going.

For Vista, I think 2.8.0 was the version which introduced
Vista-compatibility. Standalones built with earlier versions may work
without looking quite right. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable than
me about Windows can chime in here.

HTH,
Sarah


From scott at cdroo.com  Fri May 18 03:22:01 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:22:01 +1000
Subject: Vista and Mac Universal backward compatibility
References: <20070518065255.D4F3637424@xprdmailfe14.nwk.excite.com>
Message-ID: <01a301c7991d$3dca5500$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Thomas McCarthy" <tominjapan at excite.com>

> Will apps built with Rev 2.6 be useable with the new operating systems by 
> Mirosoft and Apple?

2.6.1 does run on Vista (and so do standalones) however the window painting 
isn't fully implemented AFAICT so the support won't be everything that is 
possible on Vista.  However - it would seem to me that some Rev functions 
like copying files and folders (as an example) check the Windows version in 
order to carry out the shell command.  I've not tested these but they do 
return the OS version and the highest in 2.6.1 is going to be version 5 (XP) 
so I'm not sure what would happen when version 6 (Vista) is returned. 
Something worth checking on I should think.

Scott 



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Fri May 18 03:53:40 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:53:40 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
References: <82EC297D-06CC-4BE9-BECC-3D3FE3B13062@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <464D5B82.000001.02576@MAZYTIS>

Completely agree with you, Mark! 
 
As a relatively new user of Revolution 2 years (with a few software projects
completed during this time which would not be possible without Rev) I was
also extremely satisfied to see Altuit products eventually integrated into
the IDE. Now it is not anymore a buy-in-pieces-puzzle that was very
frustrating for me as a newcomer to Rev at that time. I see this as a major
quality and end users experience improvement for any newcomer ! 
 
Meanwhile I would like to attract few votes for bug 4677, or now it is
confirmed and marked as a duplicate of 441 which is partially solved for
some languages, but not for mine :-) The problem is that characters outside
of the standard Western European character set are not being translated
correctly during keyboard entry, therefore I can't do projects in my native
and a few other national languages... 
 
And bug 3992 - it is confirmed, and is still in the latest release candidate
of open beta. If briefly - property inspector loads file contents into wrong
unrelated text fields replacing their contents and thus damaging data. If
you are new to the IDE you may get deeply depressed after seeing this ;-),
later you learn and get used to put url "file:etc" into field "etc" and
forget that the problem is there. Nevertheless I think it is important.
 
I have also voted for bug 2498. It causes situation where 2 tabbed buttons
put on same card do interfere with each other on mouseover event. Not a big
tragedy but looks messy (e.g. in a spreadsheet which is a part of a larger
application with tabbed buttons)... 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Mark Talluto 
Date: 18/05/2007 09:26:11 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Re: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
remaining 1879? 
 
On May 17, 2007, at 9:19 PM, Bjrnke von Gierke wrote: 
 
> 
> 
> Of course with such small numbers, one can not really draw a 
> conclusive decision, 
 
I think the answer to how successful this release and any other 
release is will be very subjective. I don't think it is reasonable 
to expect the bug count to change by a given percentage. I was one 
of the people that gave this release rave reviews simply because I 
can see and feel the difference from this version and my previous 
reliable 2.7.4. 
 
I still have bugs that are over 2 years old that have not been 
fixed. I have bugs that were only days old that did get fixed. In 
my very subjective measure, 2.8.1 is a huge step forward when I look 
at the projects I am working on and how they perform. Everyone's 
mileage will vary when it comes to gaging how significant a given 
release is. 
 
If I am able to produce the commercial projects I am working on then 
all is good from my perspective. 
 
 
Mark Talluto 
-- 
CANELA Software 
http://www.canelasoftware.com 
 
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From david at openpartnership.net  Fri May 18 04:17:34 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:17:34 +0100
Subject: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705180117q774187cap86737135ff2b6c48@mail.gmail.com>

I have been testing/working with the new date fixes in 2.8.1 and have a
problem with english dates - which I cannot convert properly:

            put "20/4/02" into testDate
            -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
            convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
            put testDate

            put "20/4/02" into testDate
            -- convert testDate from system date to dateItems
            convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
            put testDate

            put "6/4/02" into testDate
            -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
            convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
            put testDate

            put "6/4/02" into testDate
            convert testDate from english date to seconds
            convert testDate to dateItems
            put testDate
            break

Is this a bug I should file? Either way how can convert the english dates
back - do I have to manually change the order of the items myself in a
script?


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri May 18 04:42:35 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:42:35 +0100 (BST)
Subject: 2.8.1: a necessary corrective.
Message-ID: <822117.35251.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Joel wrote a long, and fairly sesquedepelian,
disquisition on Bugs that were not fixed in 2.8.1.

On my lap just now I have:

"Modern Systems Analysis And Designs" by Hoffer,
George and Valacich - Prentice Hall, 2002 - ISBN
0-13-042363-7

This (extremely boring and tedious) book goes to great
lengths to explain that:

1. "perfection" is an illusion.

2. aim for 60% and then be happy when you get 80%.

3. Systems Development is a long, tedious and
iterative business.

(fairly good summary of whole book in three bullet
points).

This makes me think of F. Waismann (friend of Ludwig
Wittgenstein) who never wrote a book - when he died
somebody found a set of shoeboxes under his bed full
of record cards - from which they were able to
assemble 2 brilliant, mind-blowing books.

Now, we could wait for 25-40 years while RunRev
produce the App to blow away all other apps . . . but
I will be a doddering old f**t of 85 by then [there
is, of course, the theory that I am already a
doddering old f**t :) ].

Some of us would rather support a very good
'work-in-progress' than wait for the great day.

So Joel's long 'thing' about bugs is, to my mind,
rather naive and silly. 

I have been using Runtime Revolution for about 5-6
years - and have just had a look at RR 1.1.1 (lurking
on a hard drive somewhere) and realised just how far
the 'beast' has come. Hey, why not dig out Hypercard
and play with that?

RunRev should be 'nudged' continually about the bugs;
then in the next iteration a few more bugs will have
been ironed out - AND, inevitably, more bugs will crop
up as the feature set in expanded. I have had a lot of
fun "bashing the betas".

Played with a demo version of another RAD the other
day: it didn't have an "bugs" - the whole bl**dy thing
was a giant cockroach, and I spent 6 hours rescuing my
system after it had strutted its extremely funky
stuff.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri May 18 04:52:31 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:52:31 +0200
Subject: Externals databasse
In-Reply-To: <C27253F8.27B9%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C27253F8.27B9%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <EF008CA5-1CC1-42F0-AEF9-35EE0F3C753F@major-k.de>


Am 18.05.2007 um 00:48 schrieb Hershel Fisch:

> Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could  
> connect to
> a database in a standalone (postgres in my case) is by manually  
> coping the
> standalone database library from version 2.7 into the database  
> external
> folder of the standalone application.

Hmmm, maybe because the standalone builder did not copy these  
externals to your standalone?



:-)

This has been fixed for 2.8.1.

> Thank you,
> Hershel

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 05:09:35 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:09:35 +0100
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705172130q735a30ccqeb30da146e79499d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
	<d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210705172130q735a30ccqeb30da146e79499d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67D46667-9460-491C-9856-53B03384E6A7@anachreon.co.uk>

On 18 May 2007, at 05:30, Chipp Walters wrote:

>
> Heck, I wrote that demo and even I can't figure out what this guy  
> is saying!
>

Surely that's where two way communication comes in handy?

Cheers,

Luis.



From mark at maseurope.net  Fri May 18 05:10:15 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:10:15 +0100
Subject: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705180117q774187cap86737135ff2b6c48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705180117q774187cap86737135ff2b6c48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7295130-97AC-4A72-9A15-C2F70FE4F7DA@maseurope.net>

David, are you sure you've understood what "english" denotes in  
Revolution?
 From the docs:

english
Used with the date and time functions to specify a date or time in  
the format used in the United States.

So "20/4/02" is not an english date....

Best,

Mark

On 18 May 2007, at 09:17, David Bovill wrote:

> I have been testing/working with the new date fixes in 2.8.1 and  
> have a
> problem with english dates - which I cannot convert properly:
>
>            put "20/4/02" into testDate
>            -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
>            convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
>            put testDate
>
>            put "20/4/02" into testDate
>            -- convert testDate from system date to dateItems
>            convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
>            put testDate
>
>            put "6/4/02" into testDate
>            -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
>            convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
>            put testDate
>
>            put "6/4/02" into testDate
>            convert testDate from english date to seconds
>            convert testDate to dateItems
>            put testDate
>            break
>
> Is this a bug I should file? Either way how can convert the english  
> dates
> back - do I have to manually change the order of the items myself in a
> script?
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri May 18 05:11:36 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:11:36 +0100
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <464CA27B.4060104@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <464C95B8.4050507@fourthworld.com>
	<E55CB579-DEF9-4FCF-875C-0399C1EDABFA@looktowindward.com>
	<464CA27B.4060104@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D2723A26-6AE6-4085-9819-46E3DC388B90@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

We are talking about a Disk Address not a RAM address. I just want to  
read a small amount of data (say 100 bytes) from *anywhere* in a  
file. For instance:

read from file "myFile" at 2147483647 for 100 works, but

read from file "myFile" at 2147483648 for 100 doesn't!

(I haven't test this but I am assuming that this won't work. I can't  
test it today because I don't have access to the files).

To work stuff like this out, I usually go back to basics:

constant KILO=1024
constant MEGA=KILO * KILO
constant GIGA=MEGA * MEGA

32 Bits is 4 * GIGA which Unsigned allows numbers between 0 and  
4,294,967,295 and signed allows number between -2147483648 and +  
2147483647.


The capacity of 16 Bits is 65536
The capacity of 32 Bits is 4,294,967,296 (65536 * 65536)
The capacity of 64 Bits is 18,446,744,073,709,600,000 (4,294,967,296  
* 4,294,967,296)

So the number of Gigabytes in 64 Bits is  (4,294,967,296 *  
4,294,967,296) / GIGA

All the Best
Dave

On 17 May 2007, at 19:44, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> Hi,
>> That's what I'm doing, but it's *way* too slow and crashes if you  
>> read too much data. I've got a 60+ GB file and need to read at  
>> "random" positions in the file. Moving from somewhere near the  
>> start to somewhere near the end takes minutes! The ironic thing is  
>> that the data I want to read when I get there is quite small!
>
> There is a limit to the total addressable RAM space that Rev can  
> use. It's 4 gigs on 32-bit systems, and 16P on 64-bit systems. I  
> believe that Rev works with 64-bit systems (for two reasons: they  
> said it would, and it is documented) so it may be that you are  
> reaching one of the limits. However, my brain cannot process how  
> large 16P is so I'm not sure. What's that in gigs?
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri May 18 05:15:26 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:15:26 +0100
Subject: 2.8.1: a necessary corrective.
In-Reply-To: <822117.35251.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <822117.35251.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <639299A1-CEB9-4782-838E-58F24E478530@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

It's not that there are bugs, it's that the same bugs remain there  
release after release while new features were added (with their own  
set of new bugs, so the list got bigger) and we were expectws to pay  
for new versions over and over again with all the old problems still  
there!

All the Best
Dave


On 18 May 2007, at 09:42, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Joel wrote a long, and fairly sesquedepelian,
> disquisition on Bugs that were not fixed in 2.8.1.
>
> On my lap just now I have:
>
> "Modern Systems Analysis And Designs" by Hoffer,
> George and Valacich - Prentice Hall, 2002 - ISBN
> 0-13-042363-7
>
> This (extremely boring and tedious) book goes to great
> lengths to explain that:
>
> 1. "perfection" is an illusion.
>
> 2. aim for 60% and then be happy when you get 80%.
>
> 3. Systems Development is a long, tedious and
> iterative business.
>
> (fairly good summary of whole book in three bullet
> points).
>
> This makes me think of F. Waismann (friend of Ludwig
> Wittgenstein) who never wrote a book - when he died
> somebody found a set of shoeboxes under his bed full
> of record cards - from which they were able to
> assemble 2 brilliant, mind-blowing books.
>
> Now, we could wait for 25-40 years while RunRev
> produce the App to blow away all other apps . . . but
> I will be a doddering old f**t of 85 by then [there
> is, of course, the theory that I am already a
> doddering old f**t :) ].
>
> Some of us would rather support a very good
> 'work-in-progress' than wait for the great day.
>
> So Joel's long 'thing' about bugs is, to my mind,
> rather naive and silly.
>
> I have been using Runtime Revolution for about 5-6
> years - and have just had a look at RR 1.1.1 (lurking
> on a hard drive somewhere) and realised just how far
> the 'beast' has come. Hey, why not dig out Hypercard
> and play with that?
>
> RunRev should be 'nudged' continually about the bugs;
> then in the next iteration a few more bugs will have
> been ironed out - AND, inevitably, more bugs will crop
> up as the feature set in expanded. I have had a lot of
> fun "bashing the betas".
>
> Played with a demo version of another RAD the other
> day: it didn't have an "bugs" - the whole bl**dy thing
> was a giant cockroach, and I spent 6 hours rescuing my
> system after it had strutted its extremely funky
> stuff.
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
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>
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> Life Cycle.
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From mark at maseurope.net  Fri May 18 05:19:36 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:19:36 +0100
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <D2723A26-6AE6-4085-9819-46E3DC388B90@looktowindward.com>
References: <464C95B8.4050507@fourthworld.com>
	<E55CB579-DEF9-4FCF-875C-0399C1EDABFA@looktowindward.com>
	<464CA27B.4060104@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D2723A26-6AE6-4085-9819-46E3DC388B90@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <7CC7F9D6-5682-45E2-8994-35B6F242E4B4@maseurope.net>

In the context of computers, isn't it more normal for Giga to  
indicate Kilo * Mega?


Best,

Mark

On 18 May 2007, at 10:11, Dave wrote:

> constant GIGA=MEGA * MEGA



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri May 18 05:35:45 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:35:45 +0100 (BST)
Subject: 2.8.1: a necessary corrective.
Message-ID: <550359.87076.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dave wrote:

"It's not that there are bugs, it's that the same bugs
remain there  
release after release while new features were added
(with their own  
set of new bugs, so the list got bigger) and we were
expectws to pay  
for new versions over and over again with all the old
problems still  
there!"

I "still" use a 4 year-old computer (G4
dual-processor) for two very simple reasons:-

1. I don't have much money.
2. The Intel Macs look buggy just at the moment.

I "still" use DreamCard 2.6.1 for much the same
reason.

When Runtime Revolution produce a version of RR that
looks significantly more stable than 2.8.1 does I
shall scrape together the cash.

Nobody is "expecting" me to pay for anything - it is
entirely up to me. Why you imagine Runtime Revolution
expect you to pay beats me: undoubtedly they would
like you to pay to support their R & D - but whether
you decide to or not is up to you.

As I am strapped for cash, but see Runtime
Revolutionas an extremely good RAD I am supporting
them by Beta testing. However nobody from Runtime
Revolution has ever expected anything from me . . .
Err, Well . . . for a while they expected me to keep
my big, fat mouth shut - but I didn't :)

I would suppose that you, Dave, are a "big boy" and as
such nobody should be pushing you around - least of
all that "awful R*nt*m* R*v*l*t**n company" with their
constant demands for money :) Lighten Up!

Love, Richmond

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From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May 18 05:51:16 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 02:51:16 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705180117q774187cap86737135ff2b6c48@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705180117q774187cap86737135ff2b6c48@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF330A7E-94C4-48B3-948A-73044E2176A4@cox.net>

I see that 2.8.1 does not have a build for the Classic Mac platform  
at this time. My recollection was that 2.7.4 promised it would be  
available when 2.8 was released. Maybe "promised" is too strong.  
"Indicated", perhaps? Can we believe that it will definitely be part  
of the 2.9 release?

Joe Wilkins


From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri May 18 05:57:51 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:57:51 +0100
Subject: 2.8.1: a necessary corrective.
In-Reply-To: <550359.87076.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <550359.87076.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2525AF24-EE42-46AB-A9AC-01916BE3D53E@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

> Nobody is "expecting" me to pay for anything - it is
> entirely up to me. Why you imagine Runtime Revolution
> expect you to pay beats me: undoubtedly they would
> like you to pay to support their R & D - but whether
> you decide to or not is up to you.

Perhaps I could have used a better word then "expecting". What I  
meant was that I was told that the "new" version would be *so* much  
better, I fell for this a few times before I wised up! I now don't  
believe the hype and therefore I don't automatically get the latest  
update. A lot of other people felt the same way which is why they  
have embarked on the Beta program and will issue a free bug fix  
release. Which is a good thing and the least they could do!

> When Runtime Revolution produce a version of RR that
> looks significantly more stable than 2.8.1 does I
> shall scrape together the cash.

I agree, but I get it free anyway since we bought a version of 2.7.x

> Well . . . for a while they expected me to keep my big, fat mouth  
> shut - but I didn't :)

Good for you!

> I would suppose that you, Dave, are a "big boy" and as
> such nobody should be pushing you around - least of
> all that "awful R*nt*m* R*v*l*t**n company" with their
> constant demands for money :) Lighten Up!

God knows what that's all about! I'm as light as a light thing in a  
very light place!

All I want is a version whereby is doesn't look like it's been thrown  
together by a bunch of second rate hackers working out of a garage!

I have been using Intel Macs for quite a while now and they are very  
stable, more so than the PowerPC when it first took over from the 68K.

Take Care and Have a Great Weekend
All the Best
Dave



From mail at richard-hillen.de  Fri May 18 06:09:50 2007
From: mail at richard-hillen.de (R. Hillen)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:09:50 +0200
Subject: "Umlaute" in revmail - OSX, mail.app
Message-ID: <5774432C-9F09-495A-A3FC-E4CADF58C04F@richard-hillen.de>

Hello list,


1) if p = "schoen", the following statement will work:

revmail "me at you.de",,p,"textbody"

will work;

if p = "sch?n" (german umlaut for oe), no new mail appears.


2) if p = "test" and ttext = "hello, dear friends",

revmail "Me at you.de",,p,ttext  works,

if ttext = "h?llo, liebe Freunde!", there appears a new Window  
without textbody.


May you help?

(OS X 10.4.9, apple mail.app, Rev 2.8.1, also 2.7.4)

Thank you!
Richard.

From yoy at comcast.net  Fri May 18 06:20:13 2007
From: yoy at comcast.net (yoy)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 06:20:13 -0400
Subject: 2.8.1: a necessary corrective.
References: <550359.87076.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000501c79936$201550a0$6401a8c0@fatalerror>

Reminds me of the saying "There's never enough time to do it right, but 
always time to do it over."

Andy
RR 2.5.1


----- Original Message ----- 

> Dave wrote:
>
> "It's not that there are bugs, it's that the same bugs
> remain there
> release after release while new features were added
> (with their own
> set of new bugs, so the list got bigger) and we were
> expectws to pay
> for new versions over and over again with all the old
> problems still
> there!"

> Love, Richmond



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 06:35:10 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:35:10 +0100
Subject: Externals databasse
In-Reply-To: <C27253F8.27B9%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C27253F8.27B9%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <C8FE31E8-DB57-47F1-A8A5-BCEFAB46AB72@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Did you do a fresh install or an update from the 'Help/Check for  
Updates' menu?
I noticed some of the folders got re-jigged.

Cheers,

Luis.

On 17 May 2007, at 23:48, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could  
> connect to
> a database in a standalone (postgres in my case) is by manually  
> coping the
> standalone database library from version 2.7 into the database  
> external
> folder of the standalone application.
> Thank you,
> Hershel
>
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From robmann at gp-racing.com  Fri May 18 06:42:35 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 06:42:35 -0400
Subject: installer for app?
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAP/IkVqXQ+9Iq9ISw4cBeO4BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

I just completed my first rev app and would like to thank all from this list
for the help. 

I am looking for a program to create an installer of the new app what are
your recommendations?

 

Thanks

Rob 



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 06:45:45 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:45:45 +0100
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
Message-ID: <D12A74F9-A91C-4E5D-9FB2-62DFB4F20C27@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build  
470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE:

Went to the runrev.com site ok.
Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash.

Anyone seen this?

I'm on OS X 10.4.9

Cheers,

Luis.



From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Fri May 18 06:49:32 2007
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (00bioarchimed)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:49:32 +0200
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <D12A74F9-A91C-4E5D-9FB2-62DFB4F20C27@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <D12A74F9-A91C-4E5D-9FB2-62DFB4F20C27@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AD161342-3695-4322-9985-B9A2A20D86F3@free.fr>

Hi,

Le 18 mai 07 ? 12:45, Luis a ?crit :

> Hiya,
>
> Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build  
> 470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE:
>
> Went to the runrev.com site ok.
> Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash.
>
> Anyone seen this?
>
> I'm on OS X 10.4.9
>

Yep ! Same for me... big crash :-(

Regards,
Thierry

> Cheers,
> Luis.



From scott at cdroo.com  Fri May 18 07:05:42 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:05:42 +1000
Subject: installer for app?
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAP/IkVqXQ+9Iq9ISw4cBeO4BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <021201c7993c$7de3d840$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Robert Mann" <robmann at gp-racing.com>

>I just completed my first rev app and would like to thank all from this 
>list for the help.

Congratulations!!

> I am looking for a program to create an installer of the new app what are 
> your recommendations?

That depends on your intended platform.  If Windows only then INNO Setup is 
perfect

http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php     It's donation-ware and is 100% 
Vista friendly as well.

However if you're looking at Mac and Windows then:

http://downloads.runrev.com/stacks_apps/installgadget.php    might be the 
ticket.

There are manual ways of doing it but IMHO these are by far the easiest (and 
cheapest) options.

Scott Kane
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C Clarke 



From runr at prismpole.com  Fri May 18 07:13:36 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:13:36 -0400
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Message-ID: <da49929f20b4f725811918a9e0fbd081@prismpole.com>

Hi Jacqueline,

you wrote:
 > It might all come clear if you take a look at the dictionary
 > entries for  "topstack" and "defaultstack".

I have spent the night trying out your syntax and rereading
the dictionary.   First of all let me say that your approach:

 >> put the id of this card of stack "myApp" into thisCd

does work and I think it is a better approach than my "the recentcards"
approach.   Thanks for the big help.  Having reread the dictionary,
however, I am more convinced than ever your approach is a workaround
to a bug.  Let me explain:

Look up "this" in the dictionary:
    Use the this keyword to indicate the current card or
    current stack in an expression

Look up "current stack" in the dictionary:
     The stack that's being worked on, usually the active
     window. The current stack is specified by the
     defaultStack property.
     Also, the stack that contains the object whose script
     is currently executing.

Look up "defaultstack" in the dictionary:
     Revolution's message box and editing palettes set the
     defaultStack property to the value returned by the
     topStack function before performing a stack action.

Look up "topstack" in the dictionary:
     The topStack is the frontmost stack with the lowest mode.

By all of these definitions, in the simple example of myApp
(from my original post), "this stack" should have evaluated
to myApp.   At the time the quit command was issued myApp was
the topstack.  Even if rev puts up a dialog box, its mode
would not be lower than myApp, would it?  Therefore, myApp
should have remained the topstack after the quit command
was issued.

If myApp is the topstack, then myApp is the defaultstack.

If myApp is the defaultstack, then myApp is the current stack.

The dictionary (quoted above) also says that the "current
stack" is  the stack that contains the object whose script
is currently executing.  It was myApp's script that referred
to myApp as "this stack".

Thus: "this stack" should evaluate to myApp.

As I mentioned in a previous post, "this stack"  evaluates
differently in the development and standalone environments.

In the standalone environment "this stack" evaluates one way
after the first Quit request and a different way after the
second and subsequent Quit requests.

How could that not be a bug?

--Michael Binder (with bleary eyes)



From david at openpartnership.net  Fri May 18 07:20:33 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:20:33 +0100
Subject: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?
In-Reply-To: <C7295130-97AC-4A72-9A15-C2F70FE4F7DA@maseurope.net>
References: <c1c5836b0705180117q774187cap86737135ff2b6c48@mail.gmail.com>
	<C7295130-97AC-4A72-9A15-C2F70FE4F7DA@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705180420y4ef7b2e6gf5df9cee3c09e181@mail.gmail.com>

Ah - so that definitely is a bug :) Should be american date no? So there is
no way of taking a date in english - lets say Scottish format and converting
it as we cannot assume the user settings... ok so I guess I have to script
it. Funny I thought those yanks would of objected to being called english :)

On 18/05/07, Mark Smith <mark at maseurope.net> wrote:
>
> David, are you sure you've understood what "english" denotes in
> Revolution?
> From the docs:
>
> english
> Used with the date and time functions to specify a date or time in
> the format used in the United States.
>
> So "20/4/02" is not an english date....
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> On 18 May 2007, at 09:17, David Bovill wrote:
>
> > I have been testing/working with the new date fixes in 2.8.1 and
> > have a
> > problem with english dates - which I cannot convert properly:
> >
> >            put "20/4/02" into testDate
> >            -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
> >            convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
> >            put testDate
> >
> >            put "20/4/02" into testDate
> >            -- convert testDate from system date to dateItems
> >            convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
> >            put testDate
> >
> >            put "6/4/02" into testDate
> >            -- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
> >            convert testDate from short english date to dateItems
> >            put testDate
> >
> >            put "6/4/02" into testDate
> >            convert testDate from english date to seconds
> >            convert testDate to dateItems
> >            put testDate
> >            break
> >
> > Is this a bug I should file? Either way how can convert the english
> > dates
> > back - do I have to manually change the order of the items myself in a
> > script?
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 07:26:43 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:26:43 +0100
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <AD161342-3695-4322-9985-B9A2A20D86F3@free.fr>
References: <D12A74F9-A91C-4E5D-9FB2-62DFB4F20C27@anachreon.co.uk>
	<AD161342-3695-4322-9985-B9A2A20D86F3@free.fr>
Message-ID: <A26D19FA-4D19-46D1-9396-584A9AB9B23B@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Thanks for that. I've reported it: Bug 4991.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 18 May 2007, at 11:49, 00bioarchimed wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Le 18 mai 07 ? 12:45, Luis a ?crit :
>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build  
>> 470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE:
>>
>> Went to the runrev.com site ok.
>> Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash.
>>
>> Anyone seen this?
>>
>> I'm on OS X 10.4.9
>>
>
> Yep ! Same for me... big crash :-(
>
> Regards,
> Thierry
>
>> Cheers,
>> Luis.
>
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From rjb at robelko.com  Fri May 18 07:39:52 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:39:52 +0200
Subject: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705180420y4ef7b2e6gf5df9cee3c09e181@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705180117q774187cap86737135ff2b6c48@mail.gmail.com>
	<C7295130-97AC-4A72-9A15-C2F70FE4F7DA@maseurope.net>
	<c1c5836b0705180420y4ef7b2e6gf5df9cee3c09e181@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p062408e4c2734043f53f@[192.168.1.101]>

>Ah - so that definitely is a bug :) Should be american date no? So there is
>no way of taking a date in english - lets say Scottish format and converting
>it as we cannot assume the user settings... ok so I guess I have to script
>it. Funny I thought those yanks would of objected to being called english :)

The English date should be exactly the same regardless what the 
current system format is, so you can rely on it being always mm/dd/yy.

May be if people finally start commonly referring to English spoken 
in the US as American, the Rev keywords will be adjusted accordingly.

Robert


From eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr  Fri May 18 08:13:09 2007
From: eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_Miclo?=)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:13:09 +0200
Subject: "Umlaute" in revmail - OSX, mail.app
In-Reply-To: <5774432C-9F09-495A-A3FC-E4CADF58C04F@richard-hillen.de>
References: <5774432C-9F09-495A-A3FC-E4CADF58C04F@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <7409A712-6091-4454-86CC-5824B1B0D2AC@wanadoo.fr>

Hello,

That's bug # 3410 opened on 006-03-21 with a "normal" severity...

Perhaps will it be fixed it in the next version...

Regards,

?rIC


Le 18 mai 07 ? 12:09, R.Hillen a ?crit :

> Hello list,
>
>
> 1) if p = "schoen", the following statement will work:
>
> revmail "me at you.de",,p,"textbody"
>
> will work;
>
> if p = "sch?n" (german umlaut for oe), no new mail appears.
>
>
> 2) if p = "test" and ttext = "hello, dear friends",
>
> revmail "Me at you.de",,p,ttext  works,
>
> if ttext = "h?llo, liebe Freunde!", there appears a new Window  
> without textbody.
>
>
> May you help?
>
> (OS X 10.4.9, apple mail.app, Rev 2.8.1, also 2.7.4)
>
> Thank you!
> Richard._______________________________________________
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>

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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Fri May 18 08:39:26 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:39:26 -0400
Subject: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?
In-Reply-To: <p062408e4c2734043f53f@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <C27316BE.333D0%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

We call that sort of English the "gringo" English here but that is probably
also incorrect as I think the first use of gringo was for British soldiers.

 But convert dateitems to the "gringo date" would be cool.


On 5/18/07 7:39 AM, "Robert Brenstein" <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:

>> Ah - so that definitely is a bug :) Should be american date no? So there is
>> no way of taking a date in english - lets say Scottish format and converting
>> it as we cannot assume the user settings... ok so I guess I have to script
>> it. Funny I thought those yanks would of objected to being called english :)
> 
> The English date should be exactly the same regardless what the
> current system format is, so you can rely on it being always mm/dd/yy.
> 
> May be if people finally start commonly referring to English spoken
> in the US as American, the Rev keywords will be adjusted accordingly.
> 
> Robert
> _______________________________________________




From andre.bisseret at inria.fr  Fri May 18 09:59:49 2007
From: andre.bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:59:49 +0200
Subject: Are any possible commands on data in a field also possible in a
	variable ?
Message-ID: <10E96A3B-CB21-465A-B142-87EE16C6401A@inria.fr>

Hi,
I have a handler that transforms a table1 (that is placed in a  
variable) in another one, say table2 (that has to be placed in a field)

My aim is to convey the data of table1 into table2,  but displayed in  
another order.

The handler that transforms table1 into table2 involves (mainly)  2  
types of commands :
- a number of ? put such item of such line of table1 into such item  
of such line of table2
- and, a ? find such item in table2 ?
(all that in several repeat loops).

My handler works well when I use a field as a container for table2  
when conveying data from table1 to table2. But it is quite time  
consuming.
So, in order to gain millisecs (in fact seconds !), I tried to work  
with a variable as a container in which to install the data coming  
from table1 before to, at the end, put this variable into the field  
(that should be the final product of the handler).

In my handler, I only replace ? fld ? thisfld ? with a variable ?  
thisVar ? ; nothing else.
But when I do so, my handler does not works properly.

I hope I am not too unclear ! ?

My question is : are there commands that work on data in a field but  
not on data in a variable ? Specifically, does ? find ? works in a  
variable as well as in a field ?
Am I missing something evident ?

Thanks a lot in advance

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr? 


From heather at runrev.com  Fri May 18 10:14:27 2007
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:14:27 +0100
Subject: 2.8.1: a necessary corrective.
In-Reply-To: <550359.87076.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <550359.87076.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7E83D569-FDB0-45C3-9B99-8D600768B026@runrev.com>

Dear Richmond,

Thank you for illuminating my rather harassed Friday with laughter.

On 18 May 2007, at 10:35, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> As I am strapped for cash, but see Runtime
> Revolutionas an extremely good RAD I am supporting
> them by Beta testing. However nobody from Runtime
> Revolution has ever expected anything from me . . .
> Err, Well . . . for a while they expected me to keep
> my big, fat mouth shut - but I didn't :)

We never had such an unrealistic expectation of you...


> Played with a demo version of another RAD the other
> day: it didn't have an "bugs" - the whole bl**dy thing
> was a giant cockroach, and I spent 6 hours rescuing my
> system after it had strutted its extremely funky
> stuff.

I have such a wonderful image created by that description.

Richmond, we may have had our differences, but you enrich our  
community, stick around.

Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com





From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri May 18 10:18:06 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:18:06 +0200
Subject: Are any possible commands on data in a field also possible in a
	variable ?
In-Reply-To: <10E96A3B-CB21-465A-B142-87EE16C6401A@inria.fr>
References: <10E96A3B-CB21-465A-B142-87EE16C6401A@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <31A899AF-3C52-4713-884F-DFF1CCDE0643@sosmartsoftware.com>

Bonjour Andr?,

Le 18 mai 07 ? 15:59, Andr?.Bisseret a ?crit :

> Hi,
> I have a handler that transforms a table1 (that is placed in a  
> variable) in another one, say table2 (that has to be placed in a  
> field)
>
> My aim is to convey the data of table1 into table2,  but displayed  
> in another order.
>
> The handler that transforms table1 into table2 involves (mainly)  2  
> types of commands :
> - a number of ? put such item of such line of table1 into such item  
> of such line of table2
> - and, a ? find such item in table2 ?
> (all that in several repeat loops).
>
> My handler works well when I use a field as a container for table2  
> when conveying data from table1 to table2. But it is quite time  
> consuming.
> So, in order to gain millisecs (in fact seconds !), I tried to work  
> with a variable as a container in which to install the data coming  
> from table1 before to, at the end, put this variable into the field  
> (that should be the final product of the handler).
>
> In my handler, I only replace ? fld ? thisfld ? with a variable ?  
> thisVar ? ; nothing else.
> But when I do so, my handler does not works properly.
>
> I hope I am not too unclear ! ?
>
> My question is : are there commands that work on data in a field  
> but not on data in a variable ? Specifically, does ? find ? works  
> in a variable as well as in a field ?
> Am I missing something evident ?
>
> Thanks a lot in advance
>
> Best regards from Grenoble
> Andr?

In variables, Put will work as you expect it but Find will not:
Use instead, combined with wholeMatches and caseSensitive if needed,  
itemOffset and/or lineOffset:

'find such item in table2' will become something like 'put <some  
value> into item itemOffset(< such item>,<table2 var>) of  <table2 var>'
When all calculation will be done, just 'put <table2 var> into fld  
"Table2"
BTW working with variables is much faster because, mainly, the screen  
is refreshed only once :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
----------------------------------------------------------------




From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri May 18 10:21:34 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:21:34 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <464DB66E.3060008@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

The docs contain the following information about the detailed files:

> The detailed files form returns a list of files, one file per line. 
> Each line contains the following attributes, separated by commas:
>     * The file's name, URL-encoded
>     * The file's size in bytes (on Mac OS and OS X systems, the size 
> of the file's data fork)
>     * The resource fork size in bytes (Mac OS and OS X systems only)
>     * The file's creation date in seconds (Mac OS, OS X, and Windows 
> systems only)
>     * The file's modification date in seconds

etc.


While trying to add the creation date to the filename in a "thumbs" 
application I noticed that the creation date is actually item 5 of the 
detailed files rather than item 4, number 4 really containing the 
modification date.

Since the "detailed files" was introduced in Rev version 1.0 and 
modified in 1.1 nobody seems to have made use of the creation date over 
the last years?

-- Wilhelm Sanke   



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Fri May 18 10:38:26 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:38:26 +0200
Subject: Are any possible commands on data in a field also possible in a
	variable ?
In-Reply-To: <31A899AF-3C52-4713-884F-DFF1CCDE0643@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <10E96A3B-CB21-465A-B142-87EE16C6401A@inria.fr>
	<31A899AF-3C52-4713-884F-DFF1CCDE0643@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <AE7D1397-2361-4266-9D82-DA49DBC10303@inria.fr>


Le 18 mai 07 ? 16:18, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Bonjour Andr?,
>
> Le 18 mai 07 ? 15:59, Andr?.Bisseret a ?crit :
>>
>>
>> My question is : are there commands that work on data in a field  
>> but not on data in a variable ? Specifically, does ? find ? works  
>> in a variable as well as in a field ?
>> Am I missing something evident ?
>>
>> Thanks a lot in advance
>>
>> Best regards from Grenoble
>> Andr?
>
> In variables, Put will work as you expect it but Find will not:
> Use instead, combined with wholeMatches and caseSensitive if  
> needed, itemOffset and/or lineOffset:
>
> 'find such item in table2' will become something like 'put <some  
> value> into item itemOffset(< such item>,<table2 var>) of  <table2  
> var>'
> When all calculation will be done, just 'put <table2 var> into fld  
> "Table2"

Bonjour ?ric et merci beaucoup for your quick answer :-)
I am going to apply your advice.

> BTW working with variables is much faster because, mainly, the  
> screen is refreshed only once :-)

As for this point, what about an invisible field (getting visible  
only when all is done) ? does this remain slower than with a variable ?

Bonne soir?e
Andr?


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri May 18 10:42:56 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:42:56 -0600
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <f2je1h$4te$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch><d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<464D294E.7040904@hyperactivesw.com> <f2je1h$4te$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <A619F9DE-ECA3-46D3-8C71-E19ACE4AA39E@byu.edu>


On May 17, 2007, at 11:36 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:

> - Even when version 2.9 is released, it will still have bugs. Every  
> product
> more complex than a coffee mug has bugs.

Ahem! I beg to differ:

<groan>
http://www.collectorsconnection.com/imagesh1/39a308.jpg
</groan>

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May 18 10:43:19 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 07:43:19 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
Message-ID: <464DBB87.8040405@fourthworld.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> I see that 2.8.1 does not have a build for the Classic Mac platform  
> at this time. My recollection was that 2.7.4 promised it would be  
> available when 2.8 was released.

It might be helpful for RunRev to have some quantification of the 
projected audience size.

Do you have a feel for how many of your customers are still running OS 9?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri May 18 10:53:32 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:53:32 +0200
Subject: Are any possible commands on data in a field also possible in a
	variable ?
In-Reply-To: <AE7D1397-2361-4266-9D82-DA49DBC10303@inria.fr>
References: <10E96A3B-CB21-465A-B142-87EE16C6401A@inria.fr>
	<31A899AF-3C52-4713-884F-DFF1CCDE0643@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<AE7D1397-2361-4266-9D82-DA49DBC10303@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <550C49C2-20BD-42B6-8358-4DE49333144B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Andr?,

>> BTW working with variables is much faster because, mainly, the  
>> screen is refreshed only once :-)
>
> As for this point, what about an invisible field (getting visible  
> only when all is done) ? does this remain slower than with a  
> variable ?

Good practice could be:

1. If you can, always use variables:

local tData
-----
put field "Data" into tData
< data processing>
put tData into field "Data"

2. If using variables does not appear possible, always think of  
locking and unlocking the screen appropriately:

lock screen
   repeat 100
      CreateNewField -- custom handler
   end repeat
unlock screen

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
----------------------------------------------------------------




From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Fri May 18 11:03:04 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:03:04 +0200
Subject: Are any possible commands on data in a field also possible in a
	variable ?
In-Reply-To: <550C49C2-20BD-42B6-8358-4DE49333144B@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <10E96A3B-CB21-465A-B142-87EE16C6401A@inria.fr>
	<31A899AF-3C52-4713-884F-DFF1CCDE0643@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<AE7D1397-2361-4266-9D82-DA49DBC10303@inria.fr>
	<550C49C2-20BD-42B6-8358-4DE49333144B@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <7308C3A9-6268-4C20-A3F3-00CBBC8AADFF@inria.fr>

Ok, thanks a lot ?ric for this  good practice advices that I was not  
applying enough up to now. I think it is the first time I have a  
handler that takes so much time (several seconds !)


Cordiales salutations de Grenoble

Andr?

Le 18 mai 07 ? 16:53, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Hi Andr?,
>
>>> BTW working with variables is much faster because, mainly, the  
>>> screen is refreshed only once :-)
>>
>> As for this point, what about an invisible field (getting visible  
>> only when all is done) ? does this remain slower than with a  
>> variable ?
>
> Good practice could be:
>
> 1. If you can, always use variables:
>
> local tData
> -----
> put field "Data" into tData
> < data processing>
> put tData into field "Data"
>
> 2. If using variables does not appear possible, always think of  
> locking and unlocking the screen appropriately:
>
> lock screen
>   repeat 100
>      CreateNewField -- custom handler
>   end repeat
> unlock screen
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
> eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri May 18 11:07:19 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:07:19 -0600
Subject: installer for app?
In-Reply-To: <021201c7993c$7de3d840$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAP/IkVqXQ+9Iq9ISw4cBeO4BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
	<021201c7993c$7de3d840$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <41166F5F-1F58-43E2-8CB6-BBF3E9A088DE@byu.edu>


On May 18, 2007, at 5:05 AM, Scott Kane wrote:

> From: "Robert Mann" <robmann at gp-racing.com>
>
>> I just completed my first rev app and would like to thank all from  
>> this list for the help.
>
> Congratulations!!
>
>> I am looking for a program to create an installer of the new app  
>> what are your recommendations?
>
> That depends on your intended platform.  If Windows only then INNO  
> Setup is perfect
>
> http://www.jrsoftware.org/isinfo.php     It's donation-ware and is  
> 100% Vista friendly as well.

I second that! Even I, a relative Windows novice, am able to use it.
>
> However if you're looking at Mac and Windows then:
>
> http://downloads.runrev.com/stacks_apps/installgadget.php    might  
> be the ticket.

Another good option is to simply create a .dmg disk image file using  
the Disk Utility included with OS X. Mac users are very comfortable  
with simply downloading a dmg, mounting it, and then dragging the app  
to the desired directory, usually /Applications.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri May 18 11:37:54 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:37:54 -0600
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <D12A74F9-A91C-4E5D-9FB2-62DFB4F20C27@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <D12A74F9-A91C-4E5D-9FB2-62DFB4F20C27@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B4F32E1D-7CF7-4D8B-AB9C-52DF23CB8970@byu.edu>


On May 18, 2007, at 4:45 AM, Luis wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build  
> 470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE:
>
> Went to the runrev.com site ok.
> Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash.
>
> Anyone seen this?

Luis,

Sorry, I couldn't find a site bb.co.uk. Did you mean bbc.co.uk maybe?  
If so, it loads perfectly for me here, 2.8.1 build 470, OS X 10.4.9,  
intel.

Now, there are a few other bugs I notice with the browser, for which  
I'm starting a list. I'll post a bug report when I have the recipes  
nailed down.

devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 11:42:23 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:42:23 +0100
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <B4F32E1D-7CF7-4D8B-AB9C-52DF23CB8970@byu.edu>
References: <D12A74F9-A91C-4E5D-9FB2-62DFB4F20C27@anachreon.co.uk>
	<B4F32E1D-7CF7-4D8B-AB9C-52DF23CB8970@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <BA5E8F2B-CD56-48A9-8B51-138E4A0416AD@anachreon.co.uk>

Ooopsy, did mean bbc.co.uk

Cheers,

Luis.


On 18 May 2007, at 16:37, Devin Asay wrote:

>
> On May 18, 2007, at 4:45 AM, Luis wrote:
>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build  
>> 470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE:
>>
>> Went to the runrev.com site ok.
>> Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash.
>>
>> Anyone seen this?
>
> Luis,
>
> Sorry, I couldn't find a site bb.co.uk. Did you mean bbc.co.uk  
> maybe? If so, it loads perfectly for me here, 2.8.1 build 470, OS X  
> 10.4.9, intel.
>
> Now, there are a few other bugs I notice with the browser, for  
> which I'm starting a list. I'll post a bug report when I have the  
> recipes nailed down.
>
> devin
>
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri May 18 11:45:21 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:45:21 -0500
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <67D46667-9460-491C-9856-53B03384E6A7@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
	<d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210705172130q735a30ccqeb30da146e79499d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67D46667-9460-491C-9856-53B03384E6A7@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705180845v6e1c839es889229fc0d21f846@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/18/07, Luis <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 18 May 2007, at 05:30, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
> >
> > Heck, I wrote that demo and even I can't figure out what this guy
> > is saying!
> >
>
> Surely that's where two way communication comes in handy?

With Rev having hundreds of bugs to go through, anyone serious about
getting their bug fixed would be wise to create:

1) a clear explanation of the bug
2) a recipe for replcating it
3) if possible, a demo stack showing it

Furthermore, those who wish their bugs fixed can also do a bit of
research by contacting other developers here to confirm the bug before
posting it.

Typically, when I discover a bug in Rev, I try first to break it down
into it's simplest components and try and create the most
straightforward and basic recipe for repeating it. Then I create a
simple bug demo stack, post it online and ask others to verify it.
Once verified, I then post the bug, with the stack, to bugzilla. I
have found this methodology has enabled most all of my reported bugs
to be fixed in a very timely matter.


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 11:47:55 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:47:55 +0100
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <BA5E8F2B-CD56-48A9-8B51-138E4A0416AD@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <D12A74F9-A91C-4E5D-9FB2-62DFB4F20C27@anachreon.co.uk>
	<B4F32E1D-7CF7-4D8B-AB9C-52DF23CB8970@byu.edu>
	<BA5E8F2B-CD56-48A9-8B51-138E4A0416AD@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ED75F210-DBDA-46CE-B98B-C3BB2A3419E3@anachreon.co.uk>

It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple  
of seconds later boom!

Cheers,

Luis.


On 18 May 2007, at 16:42, Luis wrote:

> Ooopsy, did mean bbc.co.uk
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>
>
> On 18 May 2007, at 16:37, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>>
>> On May 18, 2007, at 4:45 AM, Luis wrote:
>>
>>> Hiya,
>>>
>>> Rummaging through the examples in a fresh install of 2.8.1 (Build  
>>> 470) I had a go at Browser Sampler in the IDE:
>>>
>>> Went to the runrev.com site ok.
>>> Went to bb.co.uk and then blammo! Crash.
>>>
>>> Anyone seen this?
>>
>> Luis,
>>
>> Sorry, I couldn't find a site bb.co.uk. Did you mean bbc.co.uk  
>> maybe? If so, it loads perfectly for me here, 2.8.1 build 470, OS  
>> X 10.4.9, intel.
>>
>> Now, there are a few other bugs I notice with the browser, for  
>> which I'm starting a list. I'll post a bug report when I have the  
>> recipes nailed down.
>>
>> devin
>>
>>
>> Devin Asay
>> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
>> Brigham Young University
>>
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May 18 11:48:04 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:48:04 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <464DBB87.8040405@fourthworld.com>
References: <464DBB87.8040405@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3AC5FD91-31E3-45BB-8A06-E44ED82F22E1@cox.net>

Pretty hard to tell, Richard; of course there is me - for testing at  
least (smile). As for the rest it could be huge or it could be zero,  
in-so-far as this will be a test app for the whole concept. It's been  
very slow coming together, but the publisher would like it to have as  
large a market as possible; and, since it is targeted as mostly a  
children's product, quite a number of them could still be using older  
Macs. My question was mainly aimed at the fact that the original PR  
was that Rev would be for all Mac OSs.

Joe  Wilkins

On May 18, 2007, at 7:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> I see that 2.8.1 does not have a build for the Classic Mac  
>> platform  at this time. My recollection was that 2.7.4 promised it  
>> would be  available when 2.8 was released.
>
> It might be helpful for RunRev to have some quantification of the  
> projected audience size.
>
> Do you have a feel for how many of your customers are still running  
> OS 9?



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri May 18 11:50:02 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:50:02 +0100
Subject: installer for app?
In-Reply-To: <41166F5F-1F58-43E2-8CB6-BBF3E9A088DE@byu.edu>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAP/IkVqXQ+9Iq9ISw4cBeO4BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
	<021201c7993c$7de3d840$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<41166F5F-1F58-43E2-8CB6-BBF3E9A088DE@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <1D0D7799-2C75-4A02-B00F-2653556B8FA8@azurevision.co.uk>

To take that a step further, you can put a symbolic link to the  
Applications folder in the DMG along with a hidden background image  
with a big arrow pointing from the app to the Applications folder.

Ian

On 18 May 2007, at 16:07, Devin Asay wrote:

> Another good option is to simply create a .dmg disk image file  
> using the Disk Utility included with OS X. Mac users are very  
> comfortable with simply downloading a dmg, mounting it, and then  
> dragging the app to the desired directory, usually /Applications.
>
> Devin



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 11:57:11 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:57:11 +0100
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705180845v6e1c839es889229fc0d21f846@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
	<d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210705172130q735a30ccqeb30da146e79499d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67D46667-9460-491C-9856-53B03384E6A7@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705180845v6e1c839es889229fc0d21f846@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32F5E540-05F6-4861-8891-6C432F88B416@anachreon.co.uk>

I understand what you're saying, but my statement was concerned with  
the fact that it was your demo: Not knowing what the demo was I opted  
for the general view that this was reported by a standard user, who  
is often naive, which I judged from the 'bug report'.
Most naive users do not understand the 'bug reporting process' and  
many do not want to be educated because they see no benefit to it:  
They just want to play the game (or whatever the app is).

Cheers,

Luis.


On 18 May 2007, at 16:45, Chipp Walters wrote:

> On 5/18/07, Luis <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 18 May 2007, at 05:30, Chipp Walters wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Heck, I wrote that demo and even I can't figure out what this guy
>> > is saying!
>> >
>>
>> Surely that's where two way communication comes in handy?
>
> With Rev having hundreds of bugs to go through, anyone serious about
> getting their bug fixed would be wise to create:
>
> 1) a clear explanation of the bug
> 2) a recipe for replcating it
> 3) if possible, a demo stack showing it
>
> Furthermore, those who wish their bugs fixed can also do a bit of
> research by contacting other developers here to confirm the bug before
> posting it.
>
> Typically, when I discover a bug in Rev, I try first to break it down
> into it's simplest components and try and create the most
> straightforward and basic recipe for repeating it. Then I create a
> simple bug demo stack, post it online and ask others to verify it.
> Once verified, I then post the bug, with the stack, to bugzilla. I
> have found this methodology has enabled most all of my reported bugs
> to be fixed in a very timely matter.
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From runr at prismpole.com  Fri May 18 12:10:16 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:10:16 -0400
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Message-ID: <8c3d1c49bc7d2bb0da75576a61333f07@prismpole.com>

Hi everyone,
after another round of research I have found that I am not the first to
stumble on this bug....

On Jan 19, 2006 at 10:35 PM Steve Wagenseller posted to the list:

> I'm trapping the Quit message from the menubar via a shutdownrequest
> handler, but in the standalone, something curious occurs. The first
> time I choose "Quit" I can get the trap script to run (basically, an
> "Are you sure?" prompt along with some save options). The second time
> I choose Quit from the menu, the trap is not implemented.
>
> I am not passing the handler along, it sits at the stack level, and I
> am using an "exit to top" to get out of the shutdownrequest handler
> when "Cancel" is chosen.
>
> Have any of you experienced this strange problem -- that the trap
> only works once -- and do you have suggestions?
>
> --Steve

I do wonder if this bug is more prevalent than just the two of us.
In order to find this bug you have to quit, cancel quit, and then quit
your standalone a second time.  You won't catch this bug in the
development environment.  How many standalone developers have actually
tested their apps in this way?  One more thing... I do not have
access to a windows system, so for all I know this bug is specific
to the mac.

--Michael Binder



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri May 18 12:21:17 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:21:17 -0500
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <32F5E540-05F6-4861-8891-6C432F88B416@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
	<d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210705172130q735a30ccqeb30da146e79499d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67D46667-9460-491C-9856-53B03384E6A7@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705180845v6e1c839es889229fc0d21f846@mail.gmail.com>
	<32F5E540-05F6-4861-8891-6C432F88B416@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705180921t40a3b1a8t64a6f1d04f857e56@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/18/07, Luis <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I understand what you're saying, but my statement was concerned with
> the fact that it was your demo: Not knowing what the demo was I opted
> for the general view that this was reported by a standard user, who
> is often naive, which I judged from the 'bug report'.
> Most naive users do not understand the 'bug reporting process' and
> many do not want to be educated because they see no benefit to it:
> They just want to play the game (or whatever the app is).



Reading an earlier message may have told you it had something to do with
altSQLite, which is no longer 'my demo,' other than the fact I wrote it
before selling it to RR. This was literally the FIRST bug I clicked on
marked "UNCONFIRMED", and not one I was looking at. I found it amusing it
had something to do with a product I wrote (and have had very few complaints
about.)

My point was to show all bugs are not created equal. How do you resolve a
bug which starts:

"RunRev doesn't work." --user
"What's the problem." --RR
"It's broken" -user
"How can I help?" --RR
"When I step on the pedal, it doesn't go forward!" -user
"That's the mouse, and you're not supposed to step on it" -RR

My only thought is I'd rather RR spend their valuable and precious
bug-resolving resources on bugs which are clearly delineated.


From SimPLsol at aol.com  Fri May 18 12:32:24 2007
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:32:24 EDT
Subject: Build for Classic
Message-ID: <d0d.10b4f12c.337f2f18@aol.com>

Joe,
All Macs shipped since 1998 can run OS X.
All Macs shipped since the installation of Intel CPUs can "only" run OS X.
OS 9 (a good friend of mine) is dead.
People who have not upgraded can not expect to get modern software for their 
OS 9 systemed computers - from you or anyone else. As for a children's market: 
most Macs shipped in a young child's lifetime had OS X installed. If a parent 
bought a Mac for a child, it is probably running OS X.
I, for one, would rather have the Rev team forget about OS 9 entirely and 
deploy the resources elsewhere.
Paul Looney


**************************************
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http://www.aol.com.


From mark at maseurope.net  Fri May 18 12:35:01 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:35:01 +0100
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <8c3d1c49bc7d2bb0da75576a61333f07@prismpole.com>
References: <8c3d1c49bc7d2bb0da75576a61333f07@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <8E93F517-EE2E-4D1F-A267-B801A65C3684@maseurope.net>

Michael, I certainly don't claim to have the ultimate wisdom  
regarding this, but if memory serves, there have been a number of  
discussions on this list regarding ambiguities in the use of 'me',  
'this', 'the target' and other words in Revolution.

I think the consensus has been that these ambiguities arise as a  
result of historical issues in xTalks (particularly Hypercard), and  
that there isn't much agreement on how, or even if, these ambiguities  
could or should be eliminated.

The solution is to use explicit references where these ambiguities  
arise, and though you may well be right in calling what you have  
encountered a bug, it does seem that there isn't an obvious or  
generally acceptable way to resolve these ambiguities - explicit  
references work well, so I can't see the situation changing very soon.

see http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3419

best,

Mark



On 18 May 2007, at 17:10, Michael Binder wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> after another round of research I have found that I am not the  
> first to
> stumble on this bug....
>
> On Jan 19, 2006 at 10:35 PM Steve Wagenseller posted to the list:
>
>> I'm trapping the Quit message from the menubar via a shutdownrequest
>> handler, but in the standalone, something curious occurs. The first
>> time I choose "Quit" I can get the trap script to run (basically, an
>> "Are you sure?" prompt along with some save options). The second time
>> I choose Quit from the menu, the trap is not implemented.
>>
>> I am not passing the handler along, it sits at the stack level, and I
>> am using an "exit to top" to get out of the shutdownrequest handler
>> when "Cancel" is chosen.
>>
>> Have any of you experienced this strange problem -- that the trap
>> only works once -- and do you have suggestions?
>>
>> --Steve
>
> I do wonder if this bug is more prevalent than just the two of us.
> In order to find this bug you have to quit, cancel quit, and then quit
> your standalone a second time.  You won't catch this bug in the
> development environment.  How many standalone developers have actually
> tested their apps in this way?  One more thing... I do not have
> access to a windows system, so for all I know this bug is specific
> to the mac.
>
> --Michael Binder
>
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May 18 12:39:55 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 09:39:55 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <d0d.10b4f12c.337f2f18@aol.com>
References: <d0d.10b4f12c.337f2f18@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4048935D-2423-4925-8F46-428CA1DBDE10@cox.net>

Paul, that's fine; perhaps we should change the standalone dialogs to  
reflect that fact. I'll still be using OS9 for most of my work until  
the day I die. Too much good stuff that works better on OS9 than OSX.  
And I can see it without all of that transparency baloney. Thanks. I  
don't suppose there is a way to turn off transparency with OSX. I  
thought not. One of NextStep's stupid brain-f##ts.

Joe Wilkins

On May 18, 2007, at 9:32 AM, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

> Joe,
> All Macs shipped since 1998 can run OS X.
> All Macs shipped since the installation of Intel CPUs can "only"  
> run OS X.
> OS 9 (a good friend of mine) is dead.
> People who have not upgraded can not expect to get modern software  
> for their
> OS 9 systemed computers - from you or anyone else. As for a  
> children's market:
> most Macs shipped in a young child's lifetime had OS X installed.  
> If a parent
> bought a Mac for a child, it is probably running OS X.
> I, for one, would rather have the Rev team forget about OS 9  
> entirely and
> deploy the resources elsewhere.
> Paul Looney
>
>
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From jeff at siphonophore.com  Fri May 18 13:09:12 2007
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:09:12 -0400
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <20070518164014.A56944894E2@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070518164014.A56944894E2@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9E71B84D-E3E3-4529-AC3A-DDC1ED7910A2@siphonophore.com>

Joe and Richard,

Dropping os9 is not a solution if you build for the K-6 education  
market. there are still gobs of system 9 (and even a good number of  
8x systems) out there and the publisher and distributors all want the  
stuff to be osx and os9 compatible. we even have had school district  
reps want to make sure products are os9 capable as they say they will  
not buy it unless it can run on all their systems.

macs have this nasty nack of hanging in there and with school  
software they dont upgrade that often so if it works and content is  
not out of date they just keep using the same system until it dies. I  
have even seen quite a few old IIcs and es running out there and my  
old basis108 was still running happily in a 2nd grade class on last  
report!

Even if a mac is osx capable upgrading is just not an option for most  
schools as the first thing to go with budget cuts are the tech people  
who do the upgrades, support, new software installs, and training.  
Without them you are left with teachers to do this work. if you get  
lucky you get a teacher in a school who picks this up, but in k-6 you  
tend to not draw the kinds of teachers with these skills like you  
might in higher grades.

Sorry, I know its dumb, but just a fact of life you have to live with  
if you make educational software, along with making the lowest wages  
you can possibly make doing software -- but it is very fun and  
rewarding!

I too was waiting on 2.7x for the classic standalone build then it  
was billed for 2.8 so i upgraded and now am still waiting. luckily we  
just dont use any features past 2.6, so i can keep authoring there,  
then use it to make the classic build and move it up to 2.8 to do the  
osx and windows builds, but is a bit of a pain and i know that murphy  
will come along and bit me with some sort of build specific bug when  
doing this sort of bifurcated build process...

I can understand most of the market has dropped os9 and its probably  
a royal pain to make the engine to support it, but if its promised  
then it should be delivered or at least not promised any more and  
some sort of apology given for not coming through. I have emailed rev  
and get no response lately on this issue. earlier emails said it was  
coming back in 2.7. 2.8 material does make it sound like classic is  
included and says it will be there soon in the 2.8.1 standalone builder.

I just want a clear picture of what they are going to do about all  
this so i can plan accordingly. I have 3 more applications in the  
tubes for this summer/fall and need to start figuring out how i will  
be approaching them.

cheers,

Jeffrey Reynolds



On May 18, 2007, at 12:40 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> Joe,
> All Macs shipped since 1998 can run OS X.
> All Macs shipped since the installation of Intel CPUs can "only"  
> run OS X.
> OS 9 (a good friend of mine) is dead.
> People who have not upgraded can not expect to get modern software  
> for their
> OS 9 systemed computers - from you or anyone else. As for a  
> children's market:
> most Macs shipped in a young child's lifetime had OS X installed.  
> If a parent
> bought a Mac for a child, it is probably running OS X.
> I, for one, would rather have the Rev team forget about OS 9  
> entirely and
> deploy the resources elsewhere.
> Paul Looney



From Camm29 at tesco.net  Fri May 18 13:14:19 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:14:19 +0100
Subject: WARNING ! Rev fails to Communicate
Message-ID: <001001c7996f$ffcaf860$0a01a8c0@workshop>

I have posted this topic before and reported a bug 4927 !

Just an update , 

I tried Sarah's SerialTest.rev as well , this hung the PC on pressing the Open Port Button.
Again , the only way out was to reboot the PC !  

Running Windows XP
Using IVT BlueSoleil (USB to Bluetooth Adapter)

Before anybody gets excited it's just a Virtual RS232 Com Port and works great with " C " written programs
without Revolution's Engine.

IT ONLY FAILS WITH REVOLUTION APPLICATIONS  !!!! 
I'm stuffed until this is fixed.

Help anybody ? It's seems there's a serious lack of Knowledge or Interest on Rev 's Communication I/O 
Engine at present !

Best Regards
Camm




From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May 18 13:17:24 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:17:24 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <9E71B84D-E3E3-4529-AC3A-DDC1ED7910A2@siphonophore.com>
References: <20070518164014.A56944894E2@mail.runrev.com>
	<9E71B84D-E3E3-4529-AC3A-DDC1ED7910A2@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <1E5AF9D2-E6AC-49CA-8060-DB9AF803E00D@cox.net>

Jeff,

That WAS my opinion too; so thanks for the back-up supporting my  
view. It IS really the schools rather than the parents who are buying  
new machines that keeps 0S9 alive.

Joe Wilkins

On May 18, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

> Joe and Richard,
>
> Dropping os9 is not a solution if you build for the K-6 education  
> market. there are still gobs of system 9 (and even a good number of  
> 8x systems) out there and the publisher and distributors all want  
> the stuff to be osx and os9 compatible. we even have had school  
> district reps want to make sure products are os9 capable as they  
> say they will not buy it unless it can run on all their systems.



From SimPLsol at aol.com  Fri May 18 13:23:05 2007
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:23:05 EDT
Subject: Build for Classic
Message-ID: <d21.a3daffd.337f3af9@aol.com>

Joe,
I found the transparency annoying as well.
But Apple has toned it down. I'm running 10.4.9 and all of my windows are 
appropriately solid.
I liked OS 7 and was disappointed when the initial OS 8 lacked some of the OS 
7 features. The original OS 9 did not work as well as OS 8.6 (especially the 
networking) but it got better. The initial OS X did not have a lot of the 
things we took for granted in OS 9 (labels, springloaded folders, etc.), for that 
matter the initial version could not even print!
At this point OS X does everything for me that OS 9 did - and a lot more.
OS 9 is dead. It will never run better. It will never run faster. It will be 
harder and harder to find computers that run it at all. Developers have less 
and less incentive to develop for it.
Meanwhile OS X gets better with each version. It runs faster because it runs 
on new computers with faster CPUs today. And tomorrow it will be running on 
even faster CPUs. It is the future.
Maybe, someday, I'll even learn to like the dock.
Paul Looney


**************************************
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http://www.aol.com.


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri May 18 13:25:12 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:25:12 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <464DBB87.8040405@fourthworld.com>
References: <464DBB87.8040405@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B05ED9C2-0617-4EC5-8A35-E00B8E5E92DD@canelasoftware.com>


On May 18, 2007, at 7:43 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Do you have a feel for how many of your customers are still running  
> OS 9?

Having served the education market for almost 11 years has taught me  
that it is slow to get rid of new technology.  Apple has forced  
everyone to be on the same page from a given date forward.  But good  
old educators hang on to their machines until they don't turn on any  
more.  Then they go into various closets until they don't fit any  
more.  Then they get transferred to other facilities.  Finally they  
are given to the neighborhood children.

OS 9 is still very much alive in this sector.  I hate to see Rev  
spend its time on OS 9.  But, those that develop education software  
will greatly appreciate at least one more update.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From cford at sc.edu  Fri May 18 13:25:55 2007
From: cford at sc.edu (Curt Ford)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 13:25:55 -0400
Subject: sending Unicode strings that include punctuation to search engines
	with revGoURL
Message-ID: <B9AD037B-3F39-4512-8597-7C9443E66596@sc.edu>

My app allows users to send a word to a search engine for more  
examples of usage. With help from the list I've gotten it to work  
with languages using the Latin alphabet, Russian, even Hindi..

It does fail, though, when I send a search string in Russian that  
includes any punctuation or space. For example, the search string for  
??! (a two-letter word followed by an exclamation mark) shows up in  
the engines as http://www.google.com/search?q=%04%1E%049! .

Does anyone have suggestions on how to tweak this so terms like  
'???-??' or '?????? ???' can be sent to the search  
engines?

Existing code:

When the user displays a new term, the word to search for is set up  
like this:

on changeWord
global gWord, gWordToSearch

   --use an invisible field so we can check its effectiveTextFont to  
see if it's Unicode
  set the HTMLText of fld "invisibleWordToSearch" to gWord

   set the useUnicode to true

   --if the field contains Unicode text..
   if the effective textFont of word 1 of field  
"invisibleWordToSearch" contains comma then
     --next line works for Russian
     put urlEncode(unidecode(fld "invisibleWordToSearch", utf8)) into  
gWordToSearch
   else
     --next line works for Roman alphabet
     put  fld "invisibleWordToSearch" into gWordToSearch
   end if

end changeWord

The 'search' button has this script:

on mouseUp
   global gWordToSearch

   revGoURL (the cSearchEngine of this stack & gWordToSearch)
end mouseUp


thanks

Curt

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May 18 13:32:09 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:32:09 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
Message-ID: <464DE319.4080608@fourthworld.com>

Jeff Reynolds wrote:

> Dropping os9 is not a solution if you build for the K-6 education  
> market.

I hear you on that.  I know a good many teachers, and it's tragic how 
low their budgets get prioritized, esp. when we consider so many other 
useless things the money gets spent for.

I think you hit on a key point here:

> luckily we just dont use any features past 2.6, so i can keep
> authoring there, then use it to make the classic build and move
> it up to 2.8 to do the  osx and windows builds, but is a bit of
> a pain and i know that murphy will come along and bit me with
> some sort of build specific bug when doing this sort of bifurcated
> build process...

It could be worse:  in the olden days I had clients who supported 
multiple platforms by developing the Mac version in SuperCard and the 
Windows version in ToolBook.  What a nightmare that was.

Most of the new features in v2.7 and v2.8 don't affect Classic at all, 
since they deal with things like Universal Binary, Vista, window buffer 
compositing, etc.

So your strategy of staying with v2.6 still keeps Rev a viable option at 
the modest cost of a little inconvenience at build time.  The one thing 
we know about Classic is that it's not a moving target. :)

Since RunRev did promise at least one more engine for Classic I agree 
they should do so, and the sooner they get it out of the way the better 
for them and everyone else.  As they continue to move the code base 
forward, we can't expect that a Classic build will get any easier.

But I think it's prudent for anyone who needs to deploy to Classic to 
expect that there probably won't be more than one new engine for that 
OS, so sooner or later they'll be in the same spot you're in now, 
building for modern OSes in one version and building for Classic in an 
older one.

With v2.9, v3.0, v4.0 and beyond, any version that includes Classic 
support will be short-lived, so the practice of using two versions of 
Rev will become the norm anyway not long after they release a new 
Classic engine.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May 18 13:47:53 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:47:53 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <d21.a3daffd.337f3af9@aol.com>
References: <d21.a3daffd.337f3af9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AC72CEEF-4B1D-469B-8E5A-2233E6E96D6A@cox.net>

Fortunately, I have one of the last and greatest G4s. It's about 8  
years old now - I think. So my only concern is whether the drives  
will continue to work forever. (smile) I tried to boot up my SE30 the  
other day and, probably because I had forgotten to keep it plugged in  
so that the battery didn't peter out, it just sat there with a blurry  
screen and nothing else. Some of the external hard drives I used with  
it are still alive, so all is not lost. Just my ability to run System 8.

Thanks for you empathy,

Joe Wilkins

On May 18, 2007, at 10:23 AM, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

> Joe,
> I found the transparency annoying as well.
> But Apple has toned it down. I'm running 10.4.9 and all of my  
> windows are
> appropriately solid.
> I liked OS 7 and was disappointed when the initial OS 8 lacked some  
> of the OS
> 7 features. The original OS 9 did not work as well as OS 8.6  
> (especially the
> networking) but it got better. The initial OS X did not have a lot  
> of the
> things we took for granted in OS 9 (labels, springloaded folders,  
> etc.), for that
> matter the initial version could not even print!
> At this point OS X does everything for me that OS 9 did - and a lot  
> more.
> OS 9 is dead. It will never run better. It will never run faster.  
> It will be
> harder and harder to find computers that run it at all. Developers  
> have less
> and less incentive to develop for it.
> Meanwhile OS X gets better with each version. It runs faster  
> because it runs
> on new computers with faster CPUs today. And tomorrow it will be  
> running on
> even faster CPUs. It is the future.
> Maybe, someday, I'll even learn to like the dock.
> Paul Looney



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri May 18 13:11:21 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 10:11:21 -0700
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about
 the 	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705180845v6e1c839es889229fc0d21f846@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
	<d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210705172130q735a30ccqeb30da146e79499d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67D46667-9460-491C-9856-53B03384E6A7@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705180845v6e1c839es889229fc0d21f846@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c27385ae523b@[192.168.1.103]>

Great advice, Chipp.

  As one who recently had two or three bugs fixed directly due to my 
efforts,  it really happens. What helped immensely was that I 
included a video clip to show events leading up to the problem, and a 
talking narrative at the same time.  Also the crash reports furnished 
by the operating systeme are invaluable. I always try to get a nice 
'package' together before making a report and it really pays off.

It took hours, but was well worth it.

On the mac, the shareware iShowU  is wonderful for this, and if you 
use the 'apple animation' codec, the files can be quite small.
http://www.shinywhitebox.com/home/home.html

  - it's $20 and with a $40 USB headset you can make pro quality 
how-to videos of any size. I found the audio out of the headset 
(logitech at Radioshack) was more appropriate and intelligible than 
any of my pro vintage microphones.

>
>With Rev having hundreds of bugs to go through, anyone serious about
>getting their bug fixed would be wise to create:
>
>1) a clear explanation of the bug
>2) a recipe for replcating it
>3) if possible, a demo stack showing it
>
>Furthermore, those who wish their bugs fixed can also do a bit of
>research by contacting other developers here to confirm the bug before
>posting it.
>
>Typically, when I discover a bug in Rev, I try first to break it down
>into it's simplest components and try and create the most
>straightforward and basic recipe for repeating it. Then I create a
>simple bug demo stack, post it online and ask others to verify it.
>Once verified, I then post the bug, with the stack, to bugzilla. I
>have found this methodology has enabled most all of my reported bugs
>to be fixed in a very timely matter.

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Fri May 18 14:02:08 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:02:08 -0400
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <ED75F210-DBDA-46CE-B98B-C3BB2A3419E3@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <OF2D0801D6.352FC136-ON852572DF.0062A4DF-852572DF.006209CB@sealedair.com>

> It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple
> of seconds later boom!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.

On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an error dialog
that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page, then it loads
and looks normal. Probably just badly formed javascript.

What platform is experiencing the crash?

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri May 18 14:13:16 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:13:16 +0100
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
Message-ID: <200705181913.16333.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Chipp, I think you may be drawing the wrong lesson.  Of course the bug you 
mention is not useful.  The problem is that the database contains it.  That 
tells you something.  Bill's remark, that the database contains lots of stuff 
that is already fixed also tells you something.  Its good news and bad news, 
its good about the bugs.  Its less good about the database.

People have enormous goodwill towards Rev.  They will accept realistic targets 
that are met, even if those targets are less than what they want, and less 
than what the Rev team wants to deliver.  I think part of what Joel is saying 
may be:  pick a quantified realistic goal, communicate it, and stick to it 
and deliver it.  Even if it not what people would have liked, they will like 
this approach to delivering a given quantity of work much better than any 
possible alternative.


Peter

> My point was to show all bugs are not created equal. How do you resolve a
> bug which starts:
>
> "RunRev doesn't work." --user
> "What's the problem." --RR
> "It's broken" -user
> "How can I help?" --RR
> "When I step on the pedal, it doesn't go forward!" -user
> "That's the mouse, and you're not supposed to step on it" -RR
>
> My only thought is I'd rather RR spend their valuable and precious
> bug-resolving resources on bugs which are clearly delineated.


From rjb at robelko.com  Fri May 18 13:59:39 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:59:39 +0200
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <d0d.10b4f12c.337f2f18@aol.com>
References: <d0d.10b4f12c.337f2f18@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p062408ecc27395fe7026@[192.168.1.101]>

>Joe,
>All Macs shipped since 1998 can run OS X.
>All Macs shipped since the installation of Intel CPUs can "only" run OS X.
>OS 9 (a good friend of mine) is dead.
>People who have not upgraded can not expect to get modern software for their
>OS 9 systemed computers - from you or anyone else. As for a children's market:
>most Macs shipped in a young child's lifetime had OS X installed. If a parent
>bought a Mac for a child, it is probably running OS X.
>I, for one, would rather have the Rev team forget about OS 9 entirely and
>deploy the resources elsewhere.
>Paul Looney

Paul, the dates and capabilities you quote are sort of irrelevant. 
Many of us would like to forget OS9 but it is still quite widely used 
in some market segments, like it or not. The fact that Chevy Impala 
is not produced for many years does not mean that everybody should 
stop producing parts for it. We discussed this so many times on the 
list, so let's not start that again.

Joe is talking about broken promises... RR's web site stated for long 
that "Revolution 2.7 for Mac OS 9 will be released soon".

Robert


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri May 18 14:29:57 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 19:29:57 +0100
Subject: Curse of the mystery tooltip...
Message-ID: <BBC1012A-9AD6-4BF1-B914-3EF810EA5100@azurevision.co.uk>

I was flipping between Mail, Safari and Rev 2.8.1, and saw a brief  
flash of a bizarre tooltip while the cursor was near the vertical  
scrollbar of a script window:

'Intelligent use of mouseControl' or something similar to that.

Did I just find an Easter egg?

Ian


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri May 18 14:47:52 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:47:52 -0700
Subject: WOW -New Features in 2.8.1
In-Reply-To: <BBC1012A-9AD6-4BF1-B914-3EF810EA5100@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <BBC1012A-9AD6-4BF1-B914-3EF810EA5100@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06240803c273a3eb6890@[192.168.1.103]>

I was just going over the new features article in the Rev newsletter.


Wow! Now I get how 'Private Handlers' and the 'split by row and 
column' features could really be useful..  speeeeeed..

very well done explanatory article. Thanks Marcus and Oliver. Nice to 
get details from the coder/designers!

http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue26/newsletter1.php
-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Fri May 18 14:56:51 2007
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ludovic_Th=E9bault?=)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 20:56:51 +0200
Subject: Protect a folder of pictures
Message-ID: <20070518205651720872.7ab763ec@laposte.net>

Hello,

I'll have to made a CDRom (Mac/Win) with a lot of pictures.
All pictures are in a folder beside the app.

How protect this folder ?

Thanks.

Rev. 2.6.1 for now


From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May 18 15:15:45 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:15:45 -0700
Subject: Protect a folder of pictures
In-Reply-To: <20070518205651720872.7ab763ec@laposte.net>
References: <20070518205651720872.7ab763ec@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <A312F1CE-A3EF-47CE-8E37-C954888039DE@cox.net>

Hi Ludovic,

I think you're wasting your time trying to protect pictures. If you  
use them, someone will find a way to copy them. Maybe you could come  
up with a scheme to scramble the pixels and then unscramble them in  
your program when you use them, but that is going to take a lot of  
effort and will really slow down the performance of the program at  
some point. I'd say you should just write a pretty threatening  
copyright notice and then make sure you follow up on it. That will  
scare most away. The others would take a baseball bat along side the  
head.

Just MHO,

Joe Wilkins

On May 18, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'll have to made a CDRom (Mac/Win) with a lot of pictures.
> All pictures are in a folder beside the app.
>
> How protect this folder ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Rev. 2.6.1 for now
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri May 18 15:41:50 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:41:50 -0700
Subject: Protect a folder of pictures
In-Reply-To: <A312F1CE-A3EF-47CE-8E37-C954888039DE@cox.net>
References: <20070518205651720872.7ab763ec@laposte.net>
	<A312F1CE-A3EF-47CE-8E37-C954888039DE@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4CA6130B-550B-4F61-A3C6-A38698C88C56@canelasoftware.com>


On May 18, 2007, at 12:15 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Hi Ludovic,
>
> I think you're wasting your time trying to protect pictures. If you  
> use them, someone will find a way to copy them. Maybe you could  
> come up with a scheme to scramble the pixels and then unscramble  
> them in your program when you use them, but that is going to take a  
> lot of effort and will really slow down the performance of the  
> program at some point. I'd say you should just write a pretty  
> threatening copyright notice and then make sure you follow up on  
> it. That will scare most away. The others would take a baseball bat  
> along side the head.
>
> Just MHO,
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On May 18, 2007, at 11:56 AM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I'll have to made a CDRom (Mac/Win) with a lot of pictures.
>> All pictures are in a folder beside the app.
>>
>> How protect this folder ?


I think it can be done.  I would look at Revs encryption features if  
you want to store them externally.  You could store them in custom  
properties in a substack as an alternative.  This method must take  
into account available RAM and the effect of storing/calling upon  
data in this manner.

The short of it is:  If is is truly necessary to protect the images  
you can provide a reasonable amount of protection.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Fri May 18 15:45:26 2007
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:45:26 -0700
Subject: What's new in Media?
Message-ID: <F4697F0A-9D8F-4600-96A2-AB14927537D8@doctorTimothyMiller.com>

Howdy,

I'm cautiously upgrading from DC 2.7.4 to Media version.... 2.7.4????

So, there's my first question. The similarity of the version numbers  
suggests this is an imaginary upgrade, though I'll have to pay for  
it, after 30 days? Is that true?

(I don't mind paying for it. The price is reasonable and I don't want  
to risk getting too far behind the upgrade curve. If my version of DC  
hasn't expired already, it will soon.)

So far, my stacks seems to work normally in Media. I've asked about  
possible gotchas before, and afaik, there won't be any problems. I  
don't use an external database.

Are there new features in Media I might want to know about? Like any  
of the Studio 2.8.1 new features? If so, where can I learn about  
them? The RR website remains somewhat non-obvious, intuitively speaking.

I'm somewhat unnerved to see that the documentation for Media  
includes a sample project called "Kiosk -- MySQL Front End" Last I  
heard, Media doesn't support MySQL. If that remains so, this sort of  
thing could cause distressing confusion. Should I prepare for other  
such difficulties with the documentation?


Cheers,


Tim


From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com  Fri May 18 15:49:24 2007
From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 12:49:24 -0700
Subject: Media Backward Compatible?
Message-ID: <670346EC-AEE2-4C6D-84EC-405CDC1106BD@doctorTimothyMiller.com>

Oops. Forgot to ask in previous post...

If I save my stacks in the current version of Media, will I still be  
able to open and run them in DC 2.7.4?

--also--

Does RR plan to bug-fix and upgrade Media, parallel to Studio?

Tim


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Fri May 18 16:14:13 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:14:13 -0400
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
Message-ID: <OF4B680141.9E4C892B-ON852572DF.006F0DAC-852572DF.006E21BD@sealedair.com>


> It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple
> of seconds later boom!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.

On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an error dialog
that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page, then it loads
and looks normal. Probably just badly formed javascript.

What platform is experiencing the crash?

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 18 16:34:26 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 15:34:26 -0500
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <8c3d1c49bc7d2bb0da75576a61333f07@prismpole.com>
References: <8c3d1c49bc7d2bb0da75576a61333f07@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <464E0DD2.1010104@hyperactivesw.com>

Michael Binder wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> after another round of research I have found that I am not the first to
> stumble on this bug....

Oops, I believe you now. ;) Sorry about all the long, tangential 
explanations.

I just did some tests and there is something weird going on. If a second 
answer dialog is executed immediately after the first, subsequent lines 
of code in my handler do not execute. What's odd, however, is that the 
"pass shutdownrequest" line at the very end of the handler *does* run -- 
but that seems to be the only thing.

To test, I created a new stack containing a single field. In the stack 
script, I put a single handler:

on shutdownrequest
   put the defaultstack & cr after fld 1
   answer "Quit?" with "Yes" or "No"
   put it into tChoice
   put "Test line is executing" & cr after fld 1
   if tChoice = "no" then
     put the defaultstack & cr after fld 1
   else
     pass shutdownrequest
   end if
end shutdownrequest

I created a standalone from this stack. The first time I try to quit 
(choosing "No" from the dialog), all lines execute. I see:

  stack "quitTest"
  Test line is executing
  stack "quitTest"


If I immediately try to quit again, I see nothing, no new lines are 
added to the field. I know the shutdownrequest message is being sent 
because the dialog appears, and if I choose "Yes" the app quits, which 
means it is being passed. But the commands in between do anything.

If I set the defaultstack specifically after the answer dialog:

on shutdownrequest
   put the defaultstack & cr after fld 1
   answer "Quit?" with "Yes" or "No"
   put it into tChoice
   set the defaultstack to "quitTest" -- ADDED THIS
   put "Test line is executing" & cr after fld 1
   if tChoice = "no" then
     put the defaultstack & cr after fld 1
   else
     pass shutdownrequest
   end if
end shutdownrequest

The problem is resolved, all lines execute, and you can run the handler 
repeatedly without any problem. It looks like an engine bug to me; the 
engine appears to lose track of the defaultstack after two repeated 
answer dialogs. It probably hasn't been noticed very often because so 
many other user actions will reset the defaultstack automatically, at 
which point the engine "knows" once again what it is.

Gotta thank Michael for being stubborn about this. Good catch.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri May 18 16:49:39 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 22:49:39 +0200
Subject: Protect a folder of pictures
In-Reply-To: <A312F1CE-A3EF-47CE-8E37-C954888039DE@cox.net>
References: <20070518205651720872.7ab763ec@laposte.net>
	<A312F1CE-A3EF-47CE-8E37-C954888039DE@cox.net>
Message-ID: <BCC2253B-46A0-477A-B8BE-6E0F68553001@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ludovic and Joe,

I fully agree with Joe. It is a waste of time to try to protect a  
folder. When your programme is running, the folder will be  
unprotected and people can copy the files. If people can't figure out  
how to copy files, they can still make a screenshot.

As an alternative, you can make your own format. For example, you can  
save the imagedata, mask data and alphadata of an image object to a  
file and use these instead of a complete picture. Or you can use  
normal PNG files but add a number of characters at the beginning and  
end of the file, which you will ignore when reading the file before  
you set the text of an image object. This is faster than completely  
scrambling a picture, but nothing will be as fast as setting the  
filename of an image object to the path to an unscrambled image.

You might be tempted to use encryption, but that takes a lot of CPU  
power and will strongly reduce performance of your application.

Just don't forget that one could always make screenshots.

Best,

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 18-mei-2007, om 21:15 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende  
geschreven:

> Hi Ludovic,
>
> I think you're wasting your time trying to protect pictures. If you  
> use them, someone will find a way to copy them. Maybe you could  
> come up with a scheme to scramble the pixels and then unscramble  
> them in your program when you use them, but that is going to take a  
> lot of effort and will really slow down the performance of the  
> program at some point. I'd say you should just write a pretty  
> threatening copyright notice and then make sure you follow up on  
> it. That will scare most away. The others would take a baseball bat  
> along side the head.
>
> Just MHO,
>
> Joe Wilkins



From scott at cdroo.com  Fri May 18 17:16:45 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 07:16:45 +1000
Subject: Build for Classic
References: <464DE319.4080608@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <003101c79991$db74efd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

 From: "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>


> With v2.9, v3.0, v4.0 and beyond, any version that includes Classic 
> support will be short-lived, so the practice of using two versions of Rev 
> will become the norm anyway not long after they release a new Classic 
> engine.

I didn't really get into the Mac side of the world until a few years ago as 
my career has me on Intel MS based machines since the 1980's and that's 
pretty much where I "lived".  However I was given a Wallstreet G3 a few 
years back from a Mac loving friend and discovered how delightful the Mac 
is.  My main machines are still Windows boxes (my old DOS boxes are long 
gone and I have one old Pentium II clunker running Ubuntu) and a Mac Mini. 
However - I can run Panther on the G3 Wallstreet.   A little shareware tool 
called AlPosto Facto (or some similar silly name) allows one to install it. 
With OS9 running you install this tool  and then boot into a Jaguar install 
CD, install Jaguar and then install Panther over the top.  So my little G3 
runs Panther happily.  I admit I don't use it all the time but it is quite 
responsive and great for doing simple stuff on  (like testing) even though I 
generally tend to use my Mac Mini.  My point is maybe this is an option OS9 
based schools could consider?

Scott Kane
"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is 
possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is 
impossible, he is very probably wrong."
Arthur C Clarke 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri May 18 17:30:56 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:30:56 -0500
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <464DB66E.3060008@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <464DB66E.3060008@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <464E1B10.3030303@hyperactivesw.com>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> While trying to add the creation date to the filename in a "thumbs" 
> application I noticed that the creation date is actually item 5 of the 
> detailed files rather than item 4, number 4 really containing the 
> modification date.
> 
> Since the "detailed files" was introduced in Rev version 1.0 and 
> modified in 1.1 nobody seems to have made use of the creation date over 
> the last years?

On my OS X machine, it's the way the docs say. What OS are you using?


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at cdroo.com  Fri May 18 17:36:11 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 07:36:11 +1000
Subject: WOW -New Features in 2.8.1
References: <BBC1012A-9AD6-4BF1-B914-3EF810EA5100@azurevision.co.uk>
	<p06240803c273a3eb6890@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <007301c79994$900b2ed0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Stephen Barncard" <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com>

> Wow! Now I get how 'Private Handlers' and the 'split by row and column' 
> features could really be useful..  speeeeeed..

Yes.  I just read about this.  Very cool!  'Private Handlers'  have 
incredible potential and the shortening of how arrays are handled in script 
is excellent too.

Scott Kane
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come."  Victor Hugo 



From calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ  Fri May 18 18:07:48 2007
From: calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ (Cal Horner)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:07:48 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time)
Subject: 2.8.1: a necessary corrective
Message-ID: <464E23B4.000003.02632@CALSBIGPC>

Richmond, I concur completely.

Just one thing though.

Don't you think that "Work Around" should become,e a reserved word, not only
in RR but all the RADs in use by our profession?

Cal

From chipp at chipp.com  Fri May 18 18:09:49 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:09:49 -0500
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <200705181913.16333.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200705181913.16333.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705181509i1ebe2793yf204baa925ee04a@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/18/07, Peter Alcibiades <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Chipp, I think you may be drawing the wrong lesson.  Of course the bug you
> mention is not useful.  The problem is that the database contains
> it.  That
> tells you something.  Bill's remark, that the database contains lots of
> stuff
> that is already fixed also tells you something.  Its good news and bad
> news,
> its good about the bugs.  Its less good about the database.


'That tells you something' -- perhaps I'm just slow, but I'm not sure what
that tells me?

'its good news and bad news-good about the bugs, less good about the
database'

-Again, completely confused at the point you're trying to make.

Just to be clear, I was advocating a responsible and logical approach for
submitting and/or reporting bugs which if used would create even more
integrity in the database.

People have enormous goodwill towards Rev.  They will accept realistic
> targets
> that are met, even if those targets are less than what they want, and less
> than what the Rev team wants to deliver.  I think part of what Joel is
> saying
> may be:  pick a quantified realistic goal, communicate it, and stick to it
> and deliver it.  Even if it not what people would have liked, they will
> like
> this approach to delivering a given quantity of work much better than any
> possible alternative.


Yeah, I know what you mean. I'm still upset about promises broke concerning
flying cars and Dick Tracy watches ;-)


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 19:05:49 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 00:05:49 +0100
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705180921t40a3b1a8t64a6f1d04f857e56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
	<d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210705172130q735a30ccqeb30da146e79499d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67D46667-9460-491C-9856-53B03384E6A7@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705180845v6e1c839es889229fc0d21f846@mail.gmail.com>
	<32F5E540-05F6-4861-8891-6C432F88B416@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705180921t40a3b1a8t64a6f1d04f857e56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E054676-FA3D-4A69-8102-F5FFD834DEBA@anachreon.co.uk>

On 18 May 2007, at 17:21, Chipp Walters wrote:

>
> My point was to show all bugs are not created equal. How do you  
> resolve a
> bug which starts:
>
> "RunRev doesn't work." --user
> "What's the problem." --RR
> "It's broken" -user
> "How can I help?" --RR
> "When I step on the pedal, it doesn't go forward!" -user
> "That's the mouse, and you're not supposed to step on it" -RR
>
> My only thought is I'd rather RR spend their valuable and precious
> bug-resolving resources on bugs which are clearly delineated.

Well, my idea would be to reply (this would be automated) to a bug  
email (must be sent to the bugs@ address) with a link to a page to  
fill in the details of the bug. This would constitute a web page with  
as many options as possible as pull downs, starting from the highest  
level (choose the software, choose the version) to as low as can fit  
on one page, so as to not appear a daunting task.
If they reach the bottom of the page they have the option to further  
detail the issue. The pull downs should whittle the chaff away from  
the problem so the bug reporter now has a better idea of what is  
required and can now detail the issue in his/her own words. Getting  
to this point should also assist with any issues regarding non-native  
speakers.

Cheers,

Luis.




From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri May 18 19:13:42 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:13:42 -0700
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
 remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <6E054676-FA3D-4A69-8102-F5FFD834DEBA@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
	<d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210705172130q735a30ccqeb30da146e79499d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67D46667-9460-491C-9856-53B03384E6A7@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705180845v6e1c839es889229fc0d21f846@mail.gmail.com>
	<32F5E540-05F6-4861-8891-6C432F88B416@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705180921t40a3b1a8t64a6f1d04f857e56@mail.gmail.com>
	<6E054676-FA3D-4A69-8102-F5FFD834DEBA@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CD7145BE-B839-4019-81EA-7930D2E0C503@canelasoftware.com>


On May 18, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Luis wrote:

> Well, my idea would be to reply (this would be automated) to a bug  
> email (must be sent to the bugs@ address) with a link to a page to  
> fill in the details of the bug. This would constitute a web page  
> with as many options as possible as pull downs, starting from the  
> highest level (choose the software, choose the version) to as low  
> as can fit on one page, so as to not appear a daunting task.
> If they reach the bottom of the page they have the option to  
> further detail the issue. The pull downs should whittle the chaff  
> away from the problem so the bug reporter now has a better idea of  
> what is required and can now detail the issue in his/her own words.  
> Getting to this point should also assist with any issues regarding  
> non-native speakers.


RevZilla by Ken Ray does pretty much that.  Have you given it a try?   
It runs right in Rev.
<http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm>


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 19:20:37 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 00:20:37 +0100
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <003101c79991$db74efd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <464DE319.4080608@fourthworld.com>
	<003101c79991$db74efd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <D28C52C6-9948-41C4-B955-2C2D3FECD2E1@anachreon.co.uk>

I haven't seen that many OS9 boxes around lately, except for my old  
iMac (I need it, I haven't finished The Journeyman Project yet).

Anyroad, if issues of workload are to be borne in mind regarding  
unsupported OSs the we should also ditch Windows 98. Although I  
wouldn't agree with it on the grounds that there are tonnes of these  
around (I even saw 3.1 'For Workgoups' on every machine in a  
government department not two years ago, pretty nippy on them  
Pentiums I must say!).

Cheers,

Luis.


On 18 May 2007, at 22:16, Scott Kane wrote:

> From: "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>
>
>> With v2.9, v3.0, v4.0 and beyond, any version that includes  
>> Classic support will be short-lived, so the practice of using two  
>> versions of Rev will become the norm anyway not long after they  
>> release a new Classic engine.
>
> I didn't really get into the Mac side of the world until a few  
> years ago as my career has me on Intel MS based machines since the  
> 1980's and that's pretty much where I "lived".  However I was given  
> a Wallstreet G3 a few years back from a Mac loving friend and  
> discovered how delightful the Mac is.  My main machines are still  
> Windows boxes (my old DOS boxes are long gone and I have one old  
> Pentium II clunker running Ubuntu) and a Mac Mini. However - I can  
> run Panther on the G3 Wallstreet.   A little shareware tool called  
> AlPosto Facto (or some similar silly name) allows one to install  
> it. With OS9 running you install this tool  and then boot into a  
> Jaguar install CD, install Jaguar and then install Panther over the  
> top.  So my little G3 runs Panther happily.  I admit I don't use it  
> all the time but it is quite responsive and great for doing simple  
> stuff on  (like testing) even though I generally tend to use my Mac  
> Mini.  My point is maybe this is an option OS9 based schools could  
> consider?
>
> Scott Kane
> "When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something  
> is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that  
> something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."
> Arthur C Clarke
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 19:26:36 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 00:26:36 +0100
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <OF4B680141.9E4C892B-ON852572DF.006F0DAC-852572DF.006E21BD@sealedair.com>
References: <OF4B680141.9E4C892B-ON852572DF.006F0DAC-852572DF.006E21BD@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <D14A02DF-D7E3-4D92-B118-03FAEE3F7418@anachreon.co.uk>

Oh Essex 10.4.9

Judging from Devin Asay's post this may point to a processor issue,  
as his worked ok on an Intel box, whereas Thierry's crashed too  
(assuming PowerPC as he didn't mention otherwise).

Cheers,

Luis.

On 18 May 2007, at 21:14, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:

>
>> It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple
>> of seconds later boom!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Luis.
>
> On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an error  
> dialog
> that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page, then  
> it loads
> and looks normal. Probably just badly formed javascript.
>
> What platform is experiencing the crash?
>
> Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 19:47:20 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 00:47:20 +0100
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <CD7145BE-B839-4019-81EA-7930D2E0C503@canelasoftware.com>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
	<d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210705172130q735a30ccqeb30da146e79499d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67D46667-9460-491C-9856-53B03384E6A7@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705180845v6e1c839es889229fc0d21f846@mail.gmail.com>
	<32F5E540-05F6-4861-8891-6C432F88B416@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705180921t40a3b1a8t64a6f1d04f857e56@mail.gmail.com>
	<6E054676-FA3D-4A69-8102-F5FFD834DEBA@anachreon.co.uk>
	<CD7145BE-B839-4019-81EA-7930D2E0C503@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <4FAC8268-4C8C-4E19-96A9-1876C9B15143@anachreon.co.uk>

Had a look at it, but still doesn't offer that many options to drill  
down the issue: I'm trying to avoid the bug reporter from having to  
type 'too much'.

For example for a graphics app (these would be spread across as well  
as down the page!):

* = Selected

Options/Pull downs

Your system
- OS 9
- OS X*
- W98
- W2K
- WXP

Select product
- PictureMe*
- PrintMe

Select version
- v1
- v2
- v3*

Problem on Startup or Quit?
- Yes
- No*

Problem with Menu?
- Yes
- No*

Problem with Tools?
- Yes*
- No

Etc, etc. I'd get them tailored to fit the page plus space for the  
comment (only writeable if the bug reporter has pulled down at least  
60% of the options to cater for non-obvious issues not included in  
the pull downs).
Pull downs are little effort, so if someone has bothered to at least  
report the bug, it shouldn't be too hard.
There are plenty of options in RRQC and RevZilla, but I'd rather use  
up all that screen space to ask as many questions as possible (ie:  
via the pull downs) to narrow down the issue.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 19 May 2007, at 0:13, Mark Talluto wrote:

>
> On May 18, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Luis wrote:
>
>> Well, my idea would be to reply (this would be automated) to a bug  
>> email (must be sent to the bugs@ address) with a link to a page to  
>> fill in the details of the bug. This would constitute a web page  
>> with as many options as possible as pull downs, starting from the  
>> highest level (choose the software, choose the version) to as low  
>> as can fit on one page, so as to not appear a daunting task.
>> If they reach the bottom of the page they have the option to  
>> further detail the issue. The pull downs should whittle the chaff  
>> away from the problem so the bug reporter now has a better idea of  
>> what is required and can now detail the issue in his/her own  
>> words. Getting to this point should also assist with any issues  
>> regarding non-native speakers.
>
>
> RevZilla by Ken Ray does pretty much that.  Have you given it a  
> try?  It runs right in Rev.
> <http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/ 
> RevZilla2.htm>
>
>
> Mark Talluto
> -- 
> CANELA Software
> http://www.canelasoftware.com
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri May 18 19:58:53 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 18:58:53 -0500
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <6E054676-FA3D-4A69-8102-F5FFD834DEBA@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
	<d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210705172130q735a30ccqeb30da146e79499d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67D46667-9460-491C-9856-53B03384E6A7@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705180845v6e1c839es889229fc0d21f846@mail.gmail.com>
	<32F5E540-05F6-4861-8891-6C432F88B416@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705180921t40a3b1a8t64a6f1d04f857e56@mail.gmail.com>
	<6E054676-FA3D-4A69-8102-F5FFD834DEBA@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705181658o3af69315x5b0e2d12c22098db@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/18/07, Luis <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, my idea would be to reply (this would be automated) to a bug
> email (must be sent to the bugs@ address) with a link to a page to
> fill in the details of the bug. This would constitute a web page with
> as many options as possible as pull downs, starting from the highest
> level (choose the software, choose the version) to as low as can fit
> on one page, so as to not appear a daunting task.
> If they reach the bottom of the page they have the option to further
> detail the issue. The pull downs should whittle the chaff away from
> the problem so the bug reporter now has a better idea of what is
> required and can now detail the issue in his/her own words. Getting
> to this point should also assist with any issues regarding non-native
> speakers.


Can you point me to such a system which is currently in use? Thanks.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May 18 20:13:11 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 17:13:11 -0700
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
 remaining 1879?
Message-ID: <464E4117.8050100@fourthworld.com>

Luis wrote:

 > On 19 May 2007, at 0:13, Mark Talluto wrote:
 >
 >> RevZilla by Ken Ray does pretty much that.  Have you given it a
 >> try?  It runs right in Rev.
 >
 > Had a look at it, but still doesn't offer that many options to drill
 > down the issue: I'm trying to avoid the bug reporter from having to
 > type 'too much'.
 >
 > For example for a graphics app (these would be spread across as well
 > as down the page!):
 >
 > * = Selected
 >
 > Options/Pull downs
 >
 > Your system
 > - OS 9
 > - OS X*
 > - W98
 > - W2K
 > - WXP
 >
 > Select product
 > - PictureMe*
 > - PrintMe
 >
 > Select version
 > - v1
 > - v2
 > - v3*
 >
 > Problem on Startup or Quit?
 > - Yes
 > - No*
 >
 > Problem with Menu?
 > - Yes
 > - No*
 >
 > Problem with Tools?
 > - Yes*
 > - No
 >
 > Etc, etc. I'd get them tailored to fit the page plus space for the
 > comment (only writeable if the bug reporter has pulled down at least
 > 60% of the options to cater for non-obvious issues not included in
 > the pull downs).
 > Pull downs are little effort, so if someone has bothered to at least
 > report the bug, it shouldn't be too hard.
 > There are plenty of options in RRQC and RevZilla, but I'd rather use
 > up all that screen space to ask as many questions as possible (ie:
 > via the pull downs) to narrow down the issue.

Revzilla's written in Rev, so you could make your UI as a wizard for it. 
  I'm sure Ken would be willing to add it to his web page as a Revzilla 
add-on.

Let us know when you have it done.  Sounds cool.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From scott at cdroo.com  Fri May 18 20:34:58 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:34:58 +1000
Subject: Build for Classic
References: <464DE319.4080608@fourthworld.com><003101c79991$db74efd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<D28C52C6-9948-41C4-B955-2C2D3FECD2E1@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <010401c799ad$89822c30$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk>

> Anyroad, if issues of workload are to be borne in mind regarding 
> unsupported OSs the we should also ditch Windows 98. Although I  wouldn't 
> agree with it on the grounds that there are tonnes of these  around (I 
> even saw 3.1 'For Workgoups' on every machine in a  government department 
> not two years ago, pretty nippy on them  Pentiums I must say!).

In some programs I refuse to support Win 9x and Millennium (for technical 
reasons related to some of the hardware problems in those OS').  However on 
the matter of Win 3.11 there are some parts of the QLD Education department 
who were still using that OS in relatively recent times.  At the time the 
reason was "because Win 95 has bugs" which while true was not really a valid 
reason in that Win 95 for all it's warts was generally more stable than Win 
3.11.  As you can imagine it created quite a problem with inter departmental 
documents written in various versions of Word, Access etc.

Scott Kane
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C Clarke 



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 20:51:37 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 01:51:37 +0100
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <010401c799ad$89822c30$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <464DE319.4080608@fourthworld.com><003101c79991$db74efd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<D28C52C6-9948-41C4-B955-2C2D3FECD2E1@anachreon.co.uk>
	<010401c799ad$89822c30$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <DB95C0D7-3657-4523-803F-8641613C7490@anachreon.co.uk>

I agree on Millenium Edition, I won't even touch the bargepole!

The reason they told me why they were still using 3.1 was the cost of  
the upgrade: In order to have all departments in sync they'd have to  
upgrade all their systems in one go.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 19 May 2007, at 1:34, Scott Kane wrote:

> From: "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk>
>
>> Anyroad, if issues of workload are to be borne in mind regarding  
>> unsupported OSs the we should also ditch Windows 98. Although I   
>> wouldn't agree with it on the grounds that there are tonnes of  
>> these  around (I even saw 3.1 'For Workgoups' on every machine in  
>> a  government department not two years ago, pretty nippy on them   
>> Pentiums I must say!).
>
> In some programs I refuse to support Win 9x and Millennium (for  
> technical reasons related to some of the hardware problems in those  
> OS').  However on the matter of Win 3.11 there are some parts of  
> the QLD Education department who were still using that OS in  
> relatively recent times.  At the time the reason was "because Win  
> 95 has bugs" which while true was not really a valid reason in that  
> Win 95 for all it's warts was generally more stable than Win 3.11.   
> As you can imagine it created quite a problem with inter  
> departmental documents written in various versions of Word, Access  
> etc.
>
> Scott Kane
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from  
> magic." Arthur C Clarke
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 20:52:40 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 01:52:40 +0100
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705181658o3af69315x5b0e2d12c22098db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070515225530.8F5F948944D@mail.runrev.com>
	<179B9E5D-A913-4DDC-A197-E2AD5E375AAF@net2000.ch>
	<d728d4b4088f6f7090d631128be53f99@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210705172130q735a30ccqeb30da146e79499d@mail.gmail.com>
	<67D46667-9460-491C-9856-53B03384E6A7@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705180845v6e1c839es889229fc0d21f846@mail.gmail.com>
	<32F5E540-05F6-4861-8891-6C432F88B416@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705180921t40a3b1a8t64a6f1d04f857e56@mail.gmail.com>
	<6E054676-FA3D-4A69-8102-F5FFD834DEBA@anachreon.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210705181658o3af69315x5b0e2d12c22098db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BA566C86-AC75-4172-84BB-6A7BDD9526BC@anachreon.co.uk>

Nope, it's in my head.

Cheers,

luis.

On 19 May 2007, at 0:58, Chipp Walters wrote:

> On 5/18/07, Luis <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, my idea would be to reply (this would be automated) to a bug
>> email (must be sent to the bugs@ address) with a link to a page to
>> fill in the details of the bug. This would constitute a web page with
>> as many options as possible as pull downs, starting from the highest
>> level (choose the software, choose the version) to as low as can fit
>> on one page, so as to not appear a daunting task.
>> If they reach the bottom of the page they have the option to further
>> detail the issue. The pull downs should whittle the chaff away from
>> the problem so the bug reporter now has a better idea of what is
>> required and can now detail the issue in his/her own words. Getting
>> to this point should also assist with any issues regarding non-native
>> speakers.
>
>
> Can you point me to such a system which is currently in use? Thanks.
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri May 18 20:54:07 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 01:54:07 +0100
Subject: Revolution 2.8.1: a 240+ bug fixes/improvements! What about the
	remaining 1879?
In-Reply-To: <464E4117.8050100@fourthworld.com>
References: <464E4117.8050100@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <6E019630-90E1-45EE-931F-0CCA8DC8FFD3@anachreon.co.uk>


On 19 May 2007, at 1:13, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> Revzilla's written in Rev, so you could make your UI as a wizard  
> for it.  I'm sure Ken would be willing to add it to his web page as  
> a Revzilla add-on.
>
> Let us know when you have it done.  Sounds cool.
>

I'll let it float around in my head for now, but thanks.

Cheers,

Luis.




From chipp at chipp.com  Fri May 18 23:18:48 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 22:18:48 -0500
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <d0d.10b4f12c.337f2f18@aol.com>
References: <d0d.10b4f12c.337f2f18@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705182018o498bffd3k91126213a1f32d1@mail.gmail.com>

All good points Paul. I'm sure ancient Macs, and Apple II's are still in use
in some schools (though my publicly schooled daughter's 5th grade has only
OSX Macs and WinXP PCs). Too bad Apple didn't use Intel processors, or you
could load up the computer  with a version of Linux which works just fine. I
know there used to be a version of Linux for PowerPCs, but don't know if it
ever ran on an Apple--even so if it did, I doubt there were many authoring
tools which could compile for it.

Nice to see Apple's finally come around to the Intel architecture of things,
thus not forcing the 'planned hardware obsolescence' issue which we now have
with 'Classic.' At least with PC's, they always provided you a software
upgrade path...and didn't force you to buy all new hardware. And Linux runs
on most all old Intel machines.

I'm with Richard on this one. I can't imagine any features in a post
2.6version of Rev you'd *NEED* for Classic. Of course, I may be
missing some.

best,
Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri May 18 23:25:13 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 22:25:13 -0500
Subject: Protect a folder of pictures
In-Reply-To: <20070518205651720872.7ab763ec@laposte.net>
References: <20070518205651720872.7ab763ec@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705182025x30b626abwb131f56eaa105ec7@mail.gmail.com>

Ludovic,

You can easily store an image,  or many images, in a custom property of a
stack or stacks. Then, it's a simple matter to open the stack invisibly,
grab the customProp and set the imageData of a 'blank' image on your 'main'
stack to it. Should be pretty fast as well. This will discourage the casual
pirate from grabbing your image. Of course there are always ways to
circumvent this process, but for the most part, it's fast, compact, and easy
to deploy.

Or another way to do this, is to just import the images into a stack, then
launch the stack invisibly, and copy the imagedata of the image you want to
the 'blank' image. Remember, if you put all 1000 images in a single stack,
opening the stack will take forever. You might consider putting 1 image per
stack. Should be easy to write a script to automate this and point it to a
folder of images.

-Chipp


From jeff at siphonophore.com  Sat May 19 01:14:59 2007
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 01:14:59 -0400
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <20070518234726.26973489522@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070518234726.26973489522@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0A1DC4B7-E72D-4D67-8AB7-FE54231CC431@siphonophore.com>

nope, a lot of schools wont do this unless folks like you with the  
savvy to figure out how to do this go in and volunteer to do it, you  
donate the money for the  the copies of osx for their computers, then  
you will have to come in and train the teachers how to use the osx,  
then you will have to support the new systems, then you will have to  
probably donate copies of the osx versions of newer software for them  
to use since they dont have the tech personnel or money to do any of  
this in many cases.

I dont worry at all about being osx only in the home market its the  
school market that is still holding on to os9. k-6 will be the last  
hold ons here as they usually get the lowest tech budgets and have  
the least tech savvy staffing to attempt rolling their own upgrades.

I know you would want to believe that most schools are in the 21st  
century with their technology, but lots of them are still twencen.  
the schools that need them most help educationally are usually in the  
worst shape technology wise also, but even some more affluent  
districts have slashed tech budgets since getting rid of a tech  
person is way more desirable than loosing an administrator type in  
the district. you can guess my feelings on that matter...

I know that as one of the richest countries in the world we want to  
believe we hold education in high regard, but you will find that in  
terms of what you pay the folks that actually educate (teachers,  
lesson writers, educational programmers, etc) its actually pretty low  
on the professional pay scales. I know i have been doing educational  
multimedia since 87 and except for the few years in the hay days of  
cdroms in the mid 90s Its pretty much the lowest money in the field  
and the poorest clients..

A small side story that illustrates the point:
I presented years ago at the baby bell's annual technology conference  
for all the big wigs of all the telcos when they were just starting  
to see the light that they could move data into the households and  
make some $$ on it. they thought that folks would spend huge $ to  
bring educational materials into their house holds and the could make  
huge profits. after showing them all sorts of cool and fun  
educational multimedia stuff (they were practically foaming at the  
mouth at this point) i decided to do some letting air out of the  
tires. I asked if everyone in the room was making above $200K (there  
were like 100 top execs there so i assume that they would laugh at  
this paltry sum and i was correct in the assumption), all hands went  
up (except for a few engineers there from the labs that were also  
presenting). i then asked those that had kids and about 90% of the  
hands went up. then asked them to total all the money they spent in a  
year on educational materials for their kids. i said it could be  
books, subscriptions, music, videos, software, trips to museums or  
other even semi educational events. i asked how many of them thought  
they spent over $1000, a few hands went up, then $500 a few more then  
$250 most of the hands were up, then surprisingly i asked under $100  
and probably 10 hands went up -- i was shocked they were willing to  
admit that. I then asked them what the average household income was  
that they would target to sell ed materials to and they said $40-80k.  
Then said so if most of you are willing to spend less than half a  
percent of your large salaries with lots of discretionary cash on  
software you might think that it would be a smaller percentage for  
the ave customer and they agreed. then said ok how about half what  
you do, ok then that works out to 0.25% or less of $40-80K or  
$100-200/year for the ave target family. Silence in the room. None of  
them had bothered to think this through. i was horrified. i asked if  
they thought the target families would be able and/or willing to  
transfer any more money out of other spending to pay for more cool  
new educational materials via their new (and expensive at that time)  
connections.

went on into a discussion of what this would then require is a  
rewiring of how much money we will spend on educational materials in  
our society if they wanted the pie to get bigger to take a slice  
from. Needless to say for the next two days i was was the target of  
very concerned discussions at every free moment in the conference. To  
their credit they really came around fast in realizing the missing  
step, but only to not go into the area, not to even think about  
trying to change things.

sorry for the rant, but this is the world i live in and the rest of  
the world has a very different impression of the education world and  
just asks why cant we do things like business does...

best thing i can say is go in and volunteer in a school and see what  
it takes to do education, its an eye opener!

cheers,

Jeffrey Reynolds


On May 18, 2007, at 7:47 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

> However - I can run Panther on the G3 Wallstreet.   A little  
> shareware tool
> called AlPosto Facto (or some similar silly name) allows one to  
> install it.
> With OS9 running you install this tool  and then boot into a Jaguar  
> install
> CD, install Jaguar and then install Panther over the top.  So my  
> little G3
> runs Panther happily.  I admit I don't use it all the time but it  
> is quite
> responsive and great for doing simple stuff on  (like testing) even  
> though I
> generally tend to use my Mac Mini.  My point is maybe this is an  
> option OS9
> based schools could consider?





From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Sat May 19 05:17:35 2007
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:17:35 +0200
Subject: exporting snapshot with cursor visible?
In-Reply-To: <20070518234725.66003489517@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070518234725.66003489517@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <148796E7-4F34-4B83-B5A2-B3B33F93ACBB@net2000.ch>

is there a way to make the cursor visible on the image with the  
<export snapshot with rect> command?



From rjb at robelko.com  Sat May 19 06:06:10 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 12:06:10 +0200
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705182018o498bffd3k91126213a1f32d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d0d.10b4f12c.337f2f18@aol.com>
	<7aa52a210705182018o498bffd3k91126213a1f32d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p062408efc274772b6d12@[192.168.1.101]>

>I'm with Richard on this one. I can't imagine any features in a post
>2.6version of Rev you'd *NEED* for Classic. Of course, I may be
>missing some.
>
>best,
>Chipp

It is not only about new features. What about having to keep two 
different versions of Rev as a developer? As Enterprise customer, I'd 
rather use the same version for all my development work instead of 
switching depending on the project. What about people who don't 
upgrade (and thus give money to RR) on that account? Have you noticed 
how many people mention staying still with 2.6.1 (makes me wonder how 
many more don't mention that).

RR kept saying that newer version for OS9 is coming, for whatever 
that is worth, but haven't delivered. Just like you want RR to fix 
your favorite bugs, Linux users want to get Linux version up to date, 
people who are stuck with OS9 want to get a newer version. The fact 
that my favorite bug does not affect you can't be a reason for RR 
ignoring it, and this is what some people seem to be saying.

Ending full OS9 support would be easier if RR did proper branching of 
their releases, so they could continue to fix critical bugs in 
whatever is the last OS9 release. But they do a single-trunk 
releases, so to get any bug fixes we have to upgrade. We don't expect 
RR to support OS9 for ever, but it is in RR's interest to leave it at 
a feature-rich and low-bug release, particularly if they stay with a 
single-trunk release model.

Robert


From runr at prismpole.com  Sat May 19 06:58:36 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 06:58:36 -0400
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Message-ID: <2d33be3f5534c04cec7fd27ad48940fc@prismpole.com>

Hi Jacqueline,
Nice work investigating this bug!  Now we have three types of
work-arounds, my "the recentcards" approach, your "explicit
stack reference" approach, and your "set the defaultstack"
approach. I have tested the latter in myBigComplexApp and it
seems to work. I most prefer your "defaultstack" approach.
Thank you so much!

Now, would you go one step further and agree that this bug
is very serious because it causes data loss?  Let me explain...

Jacqueline wrote:
 > If a second answer dialog is executed immediately after
 > the first, subsequent lines of code in my handler do not
 > execute. What's odd, however, is that the "pass
 > shutdownrequest" line at the very end of the handler *does*
 > run -- but that seems to be the only thing.

Upon Quitting myBigComplexApp, the user is offered a chance
to Save, Do Not Save, or Cancel.  If the user "Saves",
the only part of my handler that executes correctly is
the "pass shutdown request".  Thus the app quits without
saving the data.

One other thing... I do not feel that this bug has been
fully characterized.  In the simple example that I first
posted (and that Jacqueline tested), the bug crops up
only when the Quit dialog is cancelled and then called up
again.  In myBigComplexApp the bug occurs on the *FIRST*
Quit dialog.  That, by the way, is how I discovered this
bug (data loss upon quitting).   I doubt that I would
have discovered this bug if I had to Quit, Cancel, and Quit
again to elicit it.  I don't (yet) know why it behaves
differently in myBigComplexApp.  Until I do learn more
about it, I cannot be 100% confident that the work-arounds
will always work (but I am 99% confident in Jacqueline's
diagnosis and work-around.

And one last thought for today... upon rereading this
thread and rerereading the documentation I have an
hypothesis to try and test...

 From the dictionary: The topStack is the frontmost stack
with the lowest mode.

 From the documentation: A stack that is closed, but loaded
into memory has a mode property of Zero.

If the rev engine closes a dialog stack but fails to
remove it from memory, its mode would be zero.  I don't
see how it could also be frontmost if it is closed, but the
behavior of the bug (usually occurring on the second dialog),
suggests that the dialog must be loaded into memory once
before it can cause problems.  Perhaps when the dialog
is called a second time the engine makes it frontmost
*before* the engine changes its mode from 0 to 5.  In that
instant the dialog could become the topstack and the defaultstack.

--Michael Binder



From rev at armbase.com  Sat May 19 08:06:47 2007
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 13:06:47 +0100
Subject: WOW -New Features in 2.8.1
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c273a3eb6890@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <BBC1012A-9AD6-4BF1-B914-3EF810EA5100@azurevision.co.uk> 
	<p06240803c273a3eb6890@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <gemini.jiaezb005qp0a01og.rev@armbase.com>

You wrote:

> I was just going over the new features article in the Rev newsletter.
> 
> 
> Wow! Now I get how 'Private Handlers' and the 'split by row and column'
> features could really be useful..  speeeeeed..
> 
> very well done explanatory article. Thanks Marcus and Oliver. Nice to get
> details from the coder/designers!
> 
> http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/may/issue26/newsletter1.php

Double WOW!!!!!!!!!!

Okay this may seem as a VERY VERY good feature for experienced coders. And
it is.
Howerver, this is the one thing that will enable novices and intermediaries
like myself write apps a lot faster adn easier. 
Rather than have to declare things all over the place and wonmder if you
have missed something elsewher ethat may conflict. Simply make it private to
the object.

I've not done anything recently, however, I expect I'll be back in June and
hammering away and "grabbing rev by the privates". I know, I know, I couldnt
resist. :-)

Cheers
Bob; sunny Scotland


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sat May 19 08:52:11 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 14:52:11 +0200
Subject: Message box history menu (was: Re: ctrl-y does a paste on Mac?)
In-Reply-To: <C27239EC.4626A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C27239EC.4626A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B11CF3C1-4C3B-4270-8F79-B52D95A7E102@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jim,

Le 18 mai 07 ? 01:57, Jim Ault a ?crit :

> Actually, in Hypercard 1.0, one of the things that Kevin Altis  
> created and I
> (in my Portland, Oregon days) expanded on was a msg box and command  
> history
> menu.  Very cool to have the most recent commands in a menu that  
> was easy to
> maintain.

You might have a look at Message Box Picker: http:// 
www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution&l=en
Additional functionalities for the message box:
This utility reorganizes the message history and puts the messages  
into chronological order, deletes any doubles and installs in the  
message box a drop-down menu that can be completely personalized and  
that makes it possible to bring up or to send a message with one  
mouse click.
Bilingual utility (installer and uninstaller.) Help stack included.
:-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From christian.langers at education.lu  Sat May 19 09:13:30 2007
From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 15:13:30 +0200
Subject: problems with standalone maker in 2.8.1
Message-ID: <E8EA206B-CAAF-452E-BCCB-B7774C349888@education.lu>

Hi,

with that new release I have very annoying problems :

everytime I want to compile my project I get these warnings :

--> a stack "answer dialog" in file xxx is already in memory... etc.

then REV saves my project again with the "answer dialog" stack which  
I DO NOT have incorparated in my stack...

then REV continues the building process and comes up again with this  
message :

--> a stack "revMacCursors" (which I do not have included neither  
into my project) is already in memory....

same story as above : saving and continuing process...


...after the process I have my project modified : now these stacks  
mentioned above are in my project...

---------------------------

Another thing I remarked is that actions (here : like hiding objects)  
which work in the development environment don't in the standalone...  
very strange
(I tried to trace every action in the button script and it seemed  
that it stopped at the middle of the script wihtout reason... no  
there is  no "exit whatever"...)

I'll continue trying to find out what this is ; perhaps you have  
similar problems ?


Greets,

Christian


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat May 19 09:34:57 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 15:34:57 +0200
Subject: problems with standalone maker in 2.8.1
In-Reply-To: <E8EA206B-CAAF-452E-BCCB-B7774C349888@education.lu>
References: <E8EA206B-CAAF-452E-BCCB-B7774C349888@education.lu>
Message-ID: <7E753A9D-C197-41C3-910F-E178AE0EC01E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Christian,

I reported this bug before. Feel free to add your comments, including  
those concerning revMacCursors, I will change the summary  
accordingly. Don't forget to vote, if you have any votes left.

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3960>

The second problem sounds like an error in your script. You might  
want to post your script here.

Best,

Mark

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Consultancy and Software Engineering
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Op 19-mei-2007, om 15:13 heeft Christian Langers het volgende  
geschreven:

> Hi,
>
> with that new release I have very annoying problems :
>
> everytime I want to compile my project I get these warnings :
>
> --> a stack "answer dialog" in file xxx is already in memory... etc.
>
> then REV saves my project again with the "answer dialog" stack  
> which I DO NOT have incorparated in my stack...
>
> then REV continues the building process and comes up again with  
> this message :
>
> --> a stack "revMacCursors" (which I do not have included neither  
> into my project) is already in memory....
>
> same story as above : saving and continuing process...
>
>
> ...after the process I have my project modified : now these stacks  
> mentioned above are in my project...
>
> ---------------------------
>
> Another thing I remarked is that actions (here : like hiding  
> objects) which work in the development environment don't in the  
> standalone... very strange
> (I tried to trace every action in the button script and it seemed  
> that it stopped at the middle of the script wihtout reason... no  
> there is  no "exit whatever"...)
>
> I'll continue trying to find out what this is ; perhaps you have  
> similar problems ?
>
>
> Greets,
>
> Christian


From SimPLsol at aol.com  Sat May 19 09:38:04 2007
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:38:04 EDT
Subject: Build for Classic
Message-ID: <c1c.1627ffd3.338057bc@aol.com>

Chipp,
We had to make the OS 9/OS X decision on the business system we sell. We 
estimate there are about 500 OS 9 computers still in use by our customers. But we 
decided to support OS X only with the new version. The thought was: those who 
are satisfied with the old OS are satisfied with the old version of our 
software.
I suspect this is true in education as well. One could make an Apple II 
version of a program but even schools still using A IIs will be unlike to buy it.
All of the local schools, public and private, here in San Dimas use "modern" 
computers. Of course, with the exception of the Looney household, SD is an 
affluent community so it may not be typical.
Still, as a business person, I think it better to invest time, talent, and 
expertise in building software for those who are ready, willing, and able to buy 
it. And, in my experience, those who are running "really old" hardware and 
OSes are not looking to upgrade other software. There may be a lot of classic 
computers in education but that doesn't mean there is a big market for classic 
programs.
I, too, agree with Richard: OS 2.6.1 provides almost everything a classic 
programmer is likely to need. Let Rev deploy its resources elsewhere.
Paul Looney


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From david at openpartnership.net  Sat May 19 10:16:08 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 15:16:08 +0100
Subject: Private commands
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705190716g10419fa6t4259e6613eb099cd@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds kind of pornographic doesn't it :) Hope it doesn't get trapped in you
spam filters!

A little complex this one -  changing a command to a private command has
stopped a script working for a reason I can't work out. The situation is:

  1) I have a getprop handler "layout_Outline" that calls a...
  2) Recursive command
  3) The recursive command hander uses a call by reference parameter

Nothing else. No call to any other handlers inside or outside of the script.
Now it works as a straight command but not when changed to "private
command".

Does anyone know if "private command" handlers fail with either getprops,
recursive, or call-by-reference thingies ?


From christian.langers at education.lu  Sat May 19 10:30:39 2007
From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:30:39 +0200
Subject: problems with standalone maker in 2.8.1
In-Reply-To: <7E753A9D-C197-41C3-910F-E178AE0EC01E@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <E8EA206B-CAAF-452E-BCCB-B7774C349888@education.lu>
	<7E753A9D-C197-41C3-910F-E178AE0EC01E@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <9CA86683-DBFC-4C85-9756-52DBB0D15DB0@education.lu>

Hi Mark,

ok,

  I added my comments and addionnally this I forgot to mention :

< after the building process >
I do refresh the application browser and see that the revMacCursors  
stack is there as a main stack ; I remove it from memory and refresh  
the app browser again ; now it appears as a substack of my mainStack  
and additionnally there is a stack "revExternalLibrary" as a substack  
of my project ; so I delete these intruders and finally save my stack...


Christian



From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Sat May 19 10:46:20 2007
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:46:20 EDT
Subject: Ask & Answer dialogs
Message-ID: <d4e.97f5106.338067bc@aol.com>

Hi Everyone,

I?m always in the IDE of Revolution and I use Mac OSX. It seems to me that 
the ask and answer dialog boxes come up VERY slowly. Also, I can?t seem to get a 
beep to sound simultaneously with those dialogs. Is there a way to address 
this simply?

Joe in Orlando Florida


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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat May 19 11:56:55 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 08:56:55 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <p062408efc274772b6d12@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <d0d.10b4f12c.337f2f18@aol.com>
	<7aa52a210705182018o498bffd3k91126213a1f32d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<p062408efc274772b6d12@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <p06240804c274cd50c244@[192.168.1.103]>

Branching would require Rev to use an old, outdated compiler. Not 
gonna happen. The inclusion of OS9 at this time is depends on 
parallel development. Separate code for 9 would be a total waste of 
time.

>
>Ending full OS9 support would be easier if RR did proper branching 
>of their releases, so they could continue to fix critical bugs in 
>whatever is the last OS9 release. But they do a single-trunk 
>releases, so to get any bug fixes we have to upgrade. We don't 
>expect RR to support OS9 for ever, but it is in RR's interest to 
>leave it at a feature-rich and low-bug release, particularly if they 
>stay with a single-trunk release model.
>
>Robert

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat May 19 11:57:27 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:57:27 +0200
Subject: Ask & Answer dialogs
In-Reply-To: <d4e.97f5106.338067bc@aol.com>
References: <d4e.97f5106.338067bc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <F178C2BA-F6B2-470F-9A0A-941655D7B65A@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Joe,

I completely agree with you. The answer dialog comes up way too slow  
in Revolution, compared to e.g. AppleScript, SuperCard, or Apple's  
XCode.

Interesting is that the problem doesn't go away if I use a really  
fast Mac with a CPU speed of 2.5Ghz or thereabout. Also, if I make my  
own dialog window and show that window as a modeless stack using my  
own script, the problem doesn't occur.

I suspect that there are so many scripts executed to make the answer  
dialog look right, that slow down the disaply of the dialog in a  
noticeable way.

I did a test and noticed that Rev 2.0.3 does not have this problem,  
which means that it must be possible to solve this.

I have reported this as a bug. You can find the report here:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4999>

Best,

Mark

--

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Consultancy and Software Engineering
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Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 19-mei-2007, om 16:46 heeft LunchnMeets at aol.com het volgende  
geschreven:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I?m always in the IDE of Revolution and I use Mac OSX. It seems to  
> me that
> the ask and answer dialog boxes come up VERY slowly. Also, I can?t  
> seem to get a
> beep to sound simultaneously with those dialogs. Is there a way to  
> address
> this simply?
>
> Joe in Orlando Florida
>



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat May 19 11:56:51 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:56:51 -0500
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <2d33be3f5534c04cec7fd27ad48940fc@prismpole.com>
References: <2d33be3f5534c04cec7fd27ad48940fc@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <464F1E43.2030106@hyperactivesw.com>

Michael Binder wrote:
> Hi Jacqueline,
> Nice work investigating this bug!  Now we have three types of
> work-arounds, my "the recentcards" approach, your "explicit
> stack reference" approach, and your "set the defaultstack"
> approach. I have tested the latter in myBigComplexApp and it
> seems to work. I most prefer your "defaultstack" approach.
> Thank you so much!

No problem. I like that approach best too.

> 
> Now, would you go one step further and agree that this bug
> is very serious because it causes data loss? 

I've entered the bug into the Quality Control Center, but marked it as 
"minor". There are specific requirements listed for rating a bug's 
status, and if there is a work-around available (and we have three) then 
that's the correct rating.

If you would like to add your comments, you can do it here:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4994>

> 
> One other thing... I do not feel that this bug has been
> fully characterized.  In the simple example that I first
> posted (and that Jacqueline tested), the bug crops up
> only when the Quit dialog is cancelled and then called up
> again.  In myBigComplexApp the bug occurs on the *FIRST*
> Quit dialog.  That, by the way, is how I discovered this
> bug (data loss upon quitting).   I doubt that I would
> have discovered this bug if I had to Quit, Cancel, and Quit
> again to elicit it.  I don't (yet) know why it behaves
> differently in myBigComplexApp.  Until I do learn more
> about it, I cannot be 100% confident that the work-arounds
> will always work (but I am 99% confident in Jacqueline's
> diagnosis and work-around.

I'm pretty confident about it, I think you can implement the change 
without worry. I agree that my bug report, based on my tests, may not 
represent the full extent of the problem but I think it's probably 
enough for the engineers to see what's going on and fix it. If you have 
other examples though, it would be great if you could add them to the 
report.

> If the rev engine closes a dialog stack but fails to
> remove it from memory, its mode would be zero.  I don't
> see how it could also be frontmost if it is closed, but the
> behavior of the bug (usually occurring on the second dialog),
> suggests that the dialog must be loaded into memory once
> before it can cause problems.  Perhaps when the dialog
> is called a second time the engine makes it frontmost
> *before* the engine changes its mode from 0 to 5.  In that
> instant the dialog could become the topstack and the defaultstack.

Maybe, who knows what's going on in the engine. What I suspect is that 
the engine is losing track of the defaultstack, and it may be that the 
report you got about "this" stack was based on an earlier value which is 
no longer valid, or else the engine is just reporting a spurious result.

By the way, I was talking to Richard Gaskin about this and he noted that 
he'd seen a similar problem in his stacks with the answer dialog (not on 
quitting, just in general use.) It just cropped up recently; previously 
the same scripts worked fine. He thinks the bug was introduced when RR 
fixed a separate window layering problem. That makes sense and fits the 
data, including your observation that sometimes the problem occurs on 
the first iteration of the dialog.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sat May 19 12:27:05 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:27:05 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <464F2559.6050302@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Fri, 18 May 2007, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
>
> >> While trying to add the creation date to the filename in a "thumbs"
> >> application I noticed that the creation date is actually item 5 of the
> >> detailed files rather than item 4, number 4 really containing the
> >> modification date.
> >>
> >> Since the "detailed files" was introduced in Rev version 1.0 and
> >> modified in 1.1 nobody seems to have made use of the creation date 
> over
> >> the last years?
>
>
> On my OS X machine, it's the way the docs say. What OS are you using?
>
>
> -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive 
> Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com


I observed this while working on a WindowsXP machine, and I have now 
checked what happens on MacOS (still 10.3.9 on my G4 Powerbook).

For the testing I used two JPG-images, both taken on March 4 with a 
digital camera. I modfied one of these images today - May 19 - by 
changing the contrast with PaintshopPro 11 and saving the image under 
the same name. For purposes of comparison, let's call this image "M" for 
modification.
I did not touch or change the second image  in any way, let's call it 
"O" for original.

I copied both images to the Powerbook using an USB stick.

Looking at the EXIF data of the images (with PaintshopPro on Windows) I 
get this information:

Image M:  "date and time" : May 19
                "original date"   : March 4
                "digitalized":      : March 4

Image O:  "date and time" : March 4
                "original date"   : March 4
                "digitalized":      : March 4

Loading the two images into my "thumbs" application and using "the 
detailed files" I get

with item 5 of the detailed files

image M: "May 19", and for image O: "March 4".

With item 4 of the detailed files I get "March 15" for both images, 
which is apparently the date I transferred the images from my camera to 
the computer, a value not contained in the EXIF data.

On my Mac:  The photo information in "iTunes" reads

for image M: "created" ("aufgenommen" in German): March 4
                   "digitalized": March 4
                   "modified"  : March 4
                   "imported" : May 19

for image O: "created"    :March 4
                   "digitalized": March 4
                   "modified"  : March 4
                   "imported" : May 19

Now the corresponding image information in  the "thumbs" stack on the 
Powerbook:

With item 5 of the detailed files I get "May 19" for image M and "March 
4" for image O.

With item 4 of the detailed files I get "Jan 18, 2038" for both 
images!(?); maybe this is an effect of the USB stick? (The date 
information in the systems folder shows correctly the date of today "May 
19".)


Here is the script snippet I use to append the creation date to the 
image name field under the thumb:
   
   "put item 5 of line i of tdetfiles into Datum
    convert Datum from dateitems to long date
    put Tab&item 2 to 3 of Datum after fld Feld"

================================
Summary:

- "modification" and "creation" dates are not exactly corresponding to 
EXIF or iTunes information
- using item 4 of the detailed files which somehow returns a "transfer" 
date is not really useful. It probably only returns a "creation" date 
when an image was created on the computer and not transferred from 
elsewhere.

--
Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>




From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Sat May 19 12:35:05 2007
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (00bioarchimed)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:35:05 +0200
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <D14A02DF-D7E3-4D92-B118-03FAEE3F7418@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <OF4B680141.9E4C892B-ON852572DF.006F0DAC-852572DF.006E21BD@sealedair.com>
	<D14A02DF-D7E3-4D92-B118-03FAEE3F7418@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <89A1A917-4F95-4081-AA33-CA6583EECA38@free.fr>

Hi,


Le 19 mai 07 ? 01:26, Luis a ?crit :

> Oh Essex 10.4.9
>
> Judging from Devin Asay's post this may point to a processor issue,  
> as his worked ok on an Intel box, whereas Thierry's crashed too  
> (assuming PowerPC as he didn't mention otherwise).
>

I did try on MacBook  ( Intel Core 2 Duo ) / Mac OSX 10.4.9 / 2 GRam

Didn't do anything special, only walk through the Demo....
and stay playing  with the google link.... but it crashes quite  
quickly ( the last 2 pages )
Sorry, no time to investigate more precisely  at the moment.


Regards,
thierry


> Cheers,
> Luis.
>
>  Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:
>
>>
>>> It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a couple
>>> of seconds later boom!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Luis.
>>
>> On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an error  
>> dialog
>> that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page, then  
>> it loads
>> and looks normal. Probably just badly formed javascript.
>>
>> What platform is experiencing the crash?



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat May 19 12:45:19 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:45:19 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
Message-ID: <464F299F.6080804@fourthworld.com>

Robert Brenstein wrote:
> It is not only about new features. What about having to keep two 
> different versions of Rev as a developer?

Indeed, if they spent tens of thousands of dollars a handful of their 
customers could enjoy the relatively minor convenience of clicking one 
Build button rather than two.

But think about it:  Even if they gave us a Classic engine today, the 
feature parity would be short-lived.  Soon after there would be a new 
version of Rev, and we all understand they can't support forever an OS 
Apple themselves abandoned long ago.

Within weeks of any new Classic engine the parity convenience would be 
gone as the engine continues to move forward.


> RR kept saying that newer version for OS9 is coming, for whatever 
> that is worth, but haven't delivered. Just like you want RR to fix 
> your favorite bugs, Linux users want to get Linux version up to date, 
> people who are stuck with OS9 want to get a newer version.

I think the order you listed them makes good business sense. 
Fortunately that also seems to be the order in which they're being 
addressed.

> The fact that my favorite bug does not affect you can't be a reason
> for RR ignoring it, and this is what some people seem to be saying.

Stephen Barncard raised an interesting, perhaps definitive point:

   Branching would require Rev to use an old, outdated compiler.

I believe he's right:  AFAIK, there's no compiler which will let you 
build for both Intel Macs and Classic.  All modern compilers have 
abandoned Classic.  This would mean that not only would building for 
Classic require forking throughout the codebase, but would require 
forking every element in their process, and maintaining a separate set 
of outdated headers, some of which may be incompatible with modern 
replacements and require additional forking.

In short, an extremely costly mess.

And all to deliver 15 minutes of feature parity for people who can't 
really use most v2.7 and 2.8's new features in Classic anyway.

I hadn't thought about the compiler angle before, but if it's as hairy 
as I guess it would REALLY benefit RunRev to just have a frank 
discussion here about the disproportionate costs, encourage people to 
use v2.6.1 for Classic builds, and move on with their busy day.

> Ending full OS9 support would be easier if RR did proper branching of 
> their releases, so they could continue to fix critical bugs in 
> whatever is the last OS9 release.

We're currently seven years past Apple's kill date for OS 9.  Apple 
themselves no longer provides any patches for it, and haven't for more 
than half a decade.

Exactly how long do you feel it would be reasonable for a third-party 
vendor to exceed Apple's commitment to the OS they abandoned?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat May 19 12:49:02 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:49:02 -0500
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <464F2559.6050302@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <464F2559.6050302@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <464F2A7E.9070105@hyperactivesw.com>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
<snip>
> 
> with item 5 of the detailed files
> 
> image M: "May 19", and for image O: "March 4".

This is correct, yes?

> 
> With item 4 of the detailed files I get "March 15" for both images, 
> which is apparently the date I transferred the images from my camera to 
> the computer, a value not contained in the EXIF data.

I see that on my Mac sometimes too. It seems to happen when copying a 
file between volumes (like when you transfered the file from the USB stick.)

> 
> On my Mac:  The photo information in "iTunes" reads
> 
> for image M: "created" ("aufgenommen" in German): March 4
>                   "digitalized": March 4
>                   "modified"  : March 4
>                   "imported" : May 19
> 
> for image O: "created"    :March 4
>                   "digitalized": March 4
>                   "modified"  : March 4
>                   "imported" : May 19
> 
> Now the corresponding image information in  the "thumbs" stack on the 
> Powerbook:
> 
> With item 5 of the detailed files I get "May 19" for image M and "March 
> 4" for image O.

This also looks right to me. Item 5 is the modification date.

> 
> With item 4 of the detailed files I get "Jan 18, 2038" for both 
> images!(?); maybe this is an effect of the USB stick? (The date 
> information in the systems folder shows correctly the date of today "May 
> 19".)
> 
> 
> Here is the script snippet I use to append the creation date to the 
> image name field under the thumb:
>     "put item 5 of line i of tdetfiles into Datum
>    convert Datum from dateitems to long date
>    put Tab&item 2 to 3 of Datum after fld Feld"

Shouldn't line 2 be "convert Datum from seconds to long date"? Does it 
work if you change that line?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From runr at prismpole.com  Sat May 19 13:06:58 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 13:06:58 -0400
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
Message-ID: <bdddad01e9a2760d34edbc981acb4a85@prismpole.com>

Jacqueline wrote:
> I was talking to Richard Gaskin about this and he noted that
> he'd seen a similar problem in his stacks with the answer dialog (not 
> on
> quitting, just in general use.) It just cropped up recently; previously
> the same scripts worked fine. He thinks the bug was introduced when RR
> fixed a separate window layering problem.

How long ago does he think this bug was introduced?  If its the same
bug that Steve Wagenseller reported to this list on Jan 19, 2006 at
10:35, then its been around for a while:

> I'm trapping the Quit message from the menubar via a shutdownrequest
> handler, but in the standalone, something curious occurs. The first
> time I choose "Quit" I can get the trap script to run (basically, an
> "Are you sure?" prompt along with some save options). The second time
> I choose Quit from the menu, the trap is not implemented.
>
> I am not passing the handler along, it sits at the stack level, and I
> am using an "exit to top" to get out of the shutdownrequest handler
> when "Cancel" is chosen.
>
> Have any of you experienced this strange problem -- that the trap
> only works once -- and do you have suggestions?
>
> --Steve

Being only 6 weeks into revolution I don't have any old versions
of rev to test this bug on.

--Michael Binder
(who's ready to move on from this thread and try out some of these 
exciting new private commands)



From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sat May 19 15:49:49 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 21:49:49 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <464F54DD.3080305@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

 "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> >> Here is the script snippet I use to append the creation date to the
> >> image name field under the thumb:
> >>     "put item 5 of line i of tdetfiles into Datum
> >>    convert Datum from dateitems to long date
> >>    put Tab&item 2 to 3 of Datum after fld Feld"
>
>
> Shouldn't line 2 be "convert Datum from seconds to long date"? Does it
> work if you change that line?
>
> -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software



With "from seconds to long date" I get the same results as with 
"dateitems", namely March 15 for item 4 of the detailed files - which is 
the "transfer" date, i.e. *not* the creation date that is part of the 
EXIF information.

Same for item 5, "May 19", and "March 4" who could indeed be construed 
as modification dates.

But then, it seems there is no reliable procedure to get at the creation 
dates when you use "the detailed files" - meaning the docs are not fully 
correct here.

Like with the EXIF image information in PaintshopPro, Alex Tweedly's 
"libEXIF" stack correctly returns the creation dates of the same images 
in question, i.e. the very same images at the same place which return 
"transfer" dates when you use "the detailed files"
I will take a closer look at Alex's stack to see whether part of the 
functions could be incorporated into my "thumbs" stack to display 
reliable creation.data, depending, of course, on Alex's agreement.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>

 



From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Sat May 19 17:10:00 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:10:00 -0500
Subject: OT:  Descent FTP Client for Windows?
Message-ID: <464F67A8.4060402@dreamscapesoftware.com>

I'm looking for a descent FTP Client for Windows XP.  I loved Transmit
on the Mac, but I'm unable to find anything that compares to it's
ease-of-use.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

I'm looking for something that supports Drag & Drop, Queuing, and
Multiple Sockets.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software

____________________________________________
Compress photos easily with JPEGCompress
www.dreamscapesoftware.com




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat May 19 17:30:27 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 00:30:27 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: OT:  Descent FTP Client for Windows?
References: <464F67A8.4060402@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <464F6C72.000001.01352@MAZYTIS>

SmartFTP (http://www.smartftp.com/) ?.. 
 
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Derek Bump 
Date: 05/20/07 00:10:06 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: OT: Descent FTP Client for Windows? 
 
I'm looking for a descent FTP Client for Windows XP. I loved Transmit 
on the Mac, but I'm unable to find anything that compares to it's 
ease-of-use. 
 
Does anyone have any suggestions? 
 
I'm looking for something that supports Drag & Drop, Queuing, and 
Multiple Sockets. 
 
 
Derek Bump 
Dreamscape Software 
 
____________________________________________ 
Compress photos easily with JPEGCompress 
www.dreamscapesoftware.com 
 
 
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From chipp at chipp.com  Sat May 19 17:51:05 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:51:05 -0500
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <c1c.1627ffd3.338057bc@aol.com>
References: <c1c.1627ffd3.338057bc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705191451x7a162529j2375d7108bd00974@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/19/07, SimPLsol at aol.com <SimPLsol at aol.com> wrote:

> The thought was: those who
> are satisfied with the old OS are satisfied with the old version of our
> software.
<snip>
> I suspect this is true in education as well. One could make an Apple II
> version of a program but even schools still using A IIs will be unlike to buy it.
> There may be a lot of classic
> computers in education but that doesn't mean there is a big market for classic
> programs.

Excellent points Paul. I hadn't thought of it that way, but of course
you're right. If you're not interested in upgrading hardware, why
would you upgrade software?

-Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Sat May 19 17:53:29 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:53:29 -0500
Subject: OT: Descent FTP Client for Windows?
In-Reply-To: <464F6C72.000001.01352@MAZYTIS>
References: <464F67A8.4060402@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<464F6C72.000001.01352@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705191453r21bc8845v8e3eadb6879e0ad@mail.gmail.com>

I like portable FileZilla, which can be put on a thumbdrive (or
ANYWHERE on your computer) and does all that you're looking for...plus
it's free.

www.portableapps.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat May 19 18:06:05 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 15:06:05 -0700
Subject: Message box history menu (was: Re: ctrl-y does a paste on Mac?)
In-Reply-To: <B11CF3C1-4C3B-4270-8F79-B52D95A7E102@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C274C2DD.46389%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Excellent utility!
I find that with Rev I don't use the message box as often as I used to  (in
the HCard days)  I was much more into using stacks rather than creating
them.

I will check this out.
Thanks

Jim


On 5/19/07 5:52 AM, "Eric Chatonet" <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com>
wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> Le 18 mai 07 ? 01:57, Jim Ault a ?crit :
> 
>> Actually, in Hypercard 1.0, one of the things that Kevin Altis
>> created and I
>> (in my Portland, Oregon days) expanded on was a msg box and command
>> history
>> menu.  Very cool to have the most recent commands in a menu that
>> was easy to
>> maintain.
> 
> You might have a look at Message Box Picker: http://
> www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution&l=en
> Additional functionalities for the message box:
> This utility reorganizes the message history and puts the messages
> into chronological order, deletes any doubles and installs in the
> message box a drop-down menu that can be completely personalized and
> that makes it possible to bring up or to send a message with one
> mouse click.
> Bilingual utility (installer and uninstaller.) Help stack included.
> :-)
> 
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
> eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Sat May 19 18:27:24 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 23:27:24 +0100
Subject: OT: Descent FTP Client for Windows?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705191453r21bc8845v8e3eadb6879e0ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <464F67A8.4060402@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<464F6C72.000001.01352@MAZYTIS>
	<7aa52a210705191453r21bc8845v8e3eadb6879e0ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <464F79CC.4030400@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> I like portable FileZilla, which can be put on a thumbdrive (or
> ANYWHERE on your computer) and does all that you're looking for...plus
> it's free.
> 
> www.portableapps.com
>

Also of course there's a "regular" version of FileZilla which is at:

<http://sourceforge.net/projects/filezilla>

Martin Baxter



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat May 19 18:23:08 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:23:08 -0500
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <464F54DD.3080305@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <464F54DD.3080305@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <464F78CC.1060803@hyperactivesw.com>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> With "from seconds to long date" I get the same results as with 
> "dateitems", namely March 15 for item 4 of the detailed files - which is 
> the "transfer" date, i.e. *not* the creation date that is part of the 
> EXIF information.

I think Rev just makes a call to the OS to get the info. If the detailed 
file info matches the Finder (or the info in Windows Explorer) then I 
think the behavior is correct. Rev doesn't actually read any of the 
files itself, it just gets whatever the OS returns.

> 
> Same for item 5, "May 19", and "March 4" who could indeed be construed 
> as modification dates.
> 
> But then, it seems there is no reliable procedure to get at the creation 
> dates when you use "the detailed files" - meaning the docs are not fully 
> correct here.

See if they match what the OS thinks they should be. If they do, then I 
think it's working. If you need to read the stored EXIF data instead, 
then you'd need to use Alex's utility or something similar.

When I copy files to my Windows box, it too changes the creation date 
sometimes.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat May 19 18:26:44 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:26:44 -0500
Subject: Quitting standalone, is this a bug?
In-Reply-To: <bdddad01e9a2760d34edbc981acb4a85@prismpole.com>
References: <bdddad01e9a2760d34edbc981acb4a85@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <464F79A4.2030301@hyperactivesw.com>

Michael Binder wrote:
> Jacqueline wrote:
>> I was talking to Richard Gaskin about this and he noted that
>> he'd seen a similar problem in his stacks with the answer dialog (not on
>> quitting, just in general use.) It just cropped up recently; previously
>> the same scripts worked fine. He thinks the bug was introduced when RR
>> fixed a separate window layering problem.
> 
> How long ago does he think this bug was introduced?  If its the same
> bug that Steve Wagenseller reported to this list on Jan 19, 2006 at
> 10:35, then its been around for a while:

Can't remember when that was, maybe Richard does. I don't think it was 
as long ago as January 2006 though.

> Being only 6 weeks into revolution I don't have any old versions
> of rev to test this bug on.

Looks to me like you're doing a pretty good job after only 6 weeks.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May 19 19:03:59 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:03:59 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705191451x7a162529j2375d7108bd00974@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c.1627ffd3.338057bc@aol.com>
	<7aa52a210705191451x7a162529j2375d7108bd00974@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85FB2C7C-4244-4864-AEB6-9F3AAC8CCEB0@cox.net>

I hate to raise yet another point; but what about brand new,  
inexpensive software targeted specifically at young children with  
eduction more in mind than profit?

Joe Wilkins

On May 19, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> On 5/19/07, SimPLsol at aol.com <SimPLsol at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> The thought was: those who
>> are satisfied with the old OS are satisfied with the old version  
>> of our
>> software.
> <snip>
>> I suspect this is true in education as well. One could make an  
>> Apple II
>> version of a program but even schools still using A IIs will be  
>> unlike to buy it.
>> There may be a lot of classic
>> computers in education but that doesn't mean there is a big market  
>> for classic
>> programs.
>
> Excellent points Paul. I hadn't thought of it that way, but of course
> you're right. If you're not interested in upgrading hardware, why
> would you upgrade software?
>
> -Chipp
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From rjb at robelko.com  Sat May 19 18:57:57 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 00:57:57 +0200
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <464F299F.6080804@fourthworld.com>
References: <464F299F.6080804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p062408f4c275210b4694@[192.168.1.101]>

>But think about it:  Even if they gave us a Classic engine today, 
>the feature parity would be short-lived.  Soon after there would be 
>a new version of Rev, and we all understand they can't support 
>forever an OS Apple themselves abandoned long ago.

Richard, Chipp, Paul, and others

Those tirades for uselessness of OS9 and its support are missing the 
point. Nobody is arguing that effort in producing OS9 version could 
not be used "better", although whatever RR does, somebody won't be 
happy. It is a business decision of RR what they do.

Let me just remind that what started this thread was an innocent 
inquiry whether we can expect 2.8.1 for OS9 since 2.7 was "promised" 
but never materialized. This is along the same lines as the other 
thread discussing RR starting public beta for 2.7.5 but releasing 2.8 
and 2.8.1 instead. Inquiring minds want to know about OS9, but 
obviously this is a wrong forum to ask this, and thus this whole 
discussion is waste of time and electrons.

>I believe he's right:  AFAIK, there's no compiler which will let you 
>build for both Intel Macs and Classic.  All modern compilers have 
>abandoned Classic.  This would mean that not only would building for 
>Classic require forking throughout the codebase, but would require 
>forking every element in their process, and maintaining a separate 
>set of outdated headers, some of which may be incompatible with 
>modern replacements and require additional forking.

I don't know how Rev is building different releases, so there is no 
point to speculate as to what is involved and what stalled them from 
releasing 2.7 build for OS9.

>And all to deliver 15 minutes of feature parity for people who can't 
>really use most v2.7 and 2.8's new features in Classic anyway.

To be honest, feature parity is not it. If something makes no sense 
for OS9, there is no reason to have it included. There is no and has 
never been full feature parity for all platforms anyway. However, 
considering a decent number of fairly old bugs being fixed in 2.8.1, 
I suspect that many of these are present in 2.6.1, so it may be 
prudent for RR to make 2.8.x the end of life for Rev for OS9.

>We're currently seven years past Apple's kill date for OS 9.  Apple 
>themselves no longer provides any patches for it, and haven't for 
>more than half a decade.

Microsoft does not provide upgrades for W98 anymore, so by the same 
measure, you should also advocate for RR to abandon supporting 
Windows versions prior to XP. W98 is more buggy than OS9 I dare say.

>Exactly how long do you feel it would be reasonable for a 
>third-party vendor to exceed Apple's commitment to the OS they 
>abandoned?

As I said earlier, if RR announced in due time that 2.6.1 was the 
last OS9 version, we could have lived with that. The only thing I 
would expect of them would be to retain a capability to release a 
OS9-specific fix should any critical bugs (yes, critical not just any 
bugs) need addressing later on. That simply requires keeping one 
computer that can produce 2.6.2 build for OS9 from the 2.6.1 codebase 
(or whatever the last OS9 release is).

Robert


From wjm at wjm.org  Sat May 19 19:11:50 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 19:11:50 -0400
Subject: OT: Descent FTP Client for Windows?
References: <464F67A8.4060402@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<464F6C72.000001.01352@MAZYTIS><7aa52a210705191453r21bc8845v8e3eadb6879e0ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<464F79CC.4030400@harbourhosting.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f2o07i$2de$1@sea.gmane.org>

Whether you go for the standard or the portable edition, FileZilla is the 
best, bar none.

>> I like portable FileZilla, which can be put on a thumbdrive (or
>> ANYWHERE on your computer) and does all that you're looking for...plus
>> it's free.
>>
>> www.portableapps.com
>>
> Also of course there's a "regular" version of FileZilla which is at:
> <http://sourceforge.net/projects/filezilla>





From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May 19 19:15:58 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:15:58 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <p062408f4c275210b4694@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <464F299F.6080804@fourthworld.com>
	<p062408f4c275210b4694@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <89DE403B-B32B-480A-A5AF-814CC818F124@cox.net>

Thank you, Robert. You've got the essence, which I feel can be  
summarized with a single word: "predictability".

Joe Wilkins

On May 19, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> Richard, Chipp, Paul, and others
>
> Those tirades for uselessness of OS9 and its support are missing  
> the point. Nobody is arguing that effort in producing OS9 version  
> could not be used "better", although whatever RR does, somebody  
> won't be happy. It is a business decision of RR what they do.
>
> Let me just remind that what started this thread was an innocent  
> inquiry whether we can expect 2.8.1 for OS9 since 2.7 was  
> "promised" but never materialized. This is along the same lines as  
> the other thread discussing RR starting public beta for 2.7.5 but  
> releasing 2.8 and 2.8.1 instead. Inquiring minds want to know about  
> OS9, but obviously this is a wrong forum to ask this, and thus this  
> whole discussion is waste of time and electrons.
>
>> I believe he's right:  AFAIK, there's no compiler which will let  
>> you build for both Intel Macs and Classic.  All modern compilers  
>> have abandoned Classic.  This would mean that not only would  
>> building for Classic require forking throughout the codebase, but  
>> would require forking every element in their process, and  
>> maintaining a separate set of outdated headers, some of which may  
>> be incompatible with modern replacements and require additional  
>> forking.
>
> I don't know how Rev is building different releases, so there is no  
> point to speculate as to what is involved and what stalled them  
> from releasing 2.7 build for OS9.
>
>> And all to deliver 15 minutes of feature parity for people who  
>> can't really use most v2.7 and 2.8's new features in Classic anyway.
>
> To be honest, feature parity is not it. If something makes no sense  
> for OS9, there is no reason to have it included. There is no and  
> has never been full feature parity for all platforms anyway.  
> However, considering a decent number of fairly old bugs being fixed  
> in 2.8.1, I suspect that many of these are present in 2.6.1, so it  
> may be prudent for RR to make 2.8.x the end of life for Rev for OS9.
>
>> We're currently seven years past Apple's kill date for OS 9.   
>> Apple themselves no longer provides any patches for it, and  
>> haven't for more than half a decade.
>
> Microsoft does not provide upgrades for W98 anymore, so by the same  
> measure, you should also advocate for RR to abandon supporting  
> Windows versions prior to XP. W98 is more buggy than OS9 I dare say.
>
>> Exactly how long do you feel it would be reasonable for a third- 
>> party vendor to exceed Apple's commitment to the OS they abandoned?
>
> As I said earlier, if RR announced in due time that 2.6.1 was the  
> last OS9 version, we could have lived with that. The only thing I  
> would expect of them would be to retain a capability to release a  
> OS9-specific fix should any critical bugs (yes, critical not just  
> any bugs) need addressing later on. That simply requires keeping  
> one computer that can produce 2.6.2 build for OS9 from the 2.6.1  
> codebase (or whatever the last OS9 release is).
>
> Robert



From scott at cdroo.com  Sat May 19 19:26:20 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 09:26:20 +1000
Subject: Build for Classic
References: <c1c.1627ffd3.338057bc@aol.com>
	<7aa52a210705191451x7a162529j2375d7108bd00974@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005001c79a6d$1edad880$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com>

> Excellent points Paul. I hadn't thought of it that way, but of course 
> you're right. If you're not interested in upgrading hardware, why
> would you upgrade software?

Indeed!  It also applies to Windows.  In years past I used to survey my 
customers (who bought online) and of course read the server logs.  Most new 
customers came from OS versions current to one or two before.  According to 
developers of my acquaintance this has not changed with most clients buying 
(and we're talking 99% here) using currently XP and Win 2K (Vista is 
increasing but is still a small margin).  While the logs show Win 9x users 
visiting they are not buying.

Scott Kane
"Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start
today and make a new ending." -- Maria Robinson 



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Sat May 19 20:33:15 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 01:33:15 +0100
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <89A1A917-4F95-4081-AA33-CA6583EECA38@free.fr>
References: <OF4B680141.9E4C892B-ON852572DF.006F0DAC-852572DF.006E21BD@sealedair.com>
	<D14A02DF-D7E3-4D92-B118-03FAEE3F7418@anachreon.co.uk>
	<89A1A917-4F95-4081-AA33-CA6583EECA38@free.fr>
Message-ID: <A5B3F84C-CCA6-4335-971A-2E6BD6AB529C@anachreon.co.uk>

Well, that's that theory down the toilet!
Thanks for checking.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 19 May 2007, at 17:35, 00bioarchimed wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> Le 19 mai 07 ? 01:26, Luis a ?crit :
>
>> Oh Essex 10.4.9
>>
>> Judging from Devin Asay's post this may point to a processor  
>> issue, as his worked ok on an Intel box, whereas Thierry's crashed  
>> too (assuming PowerPC as he didn't mention otherwise).
>>
>
> I did try on MacBook  ( Intel Core 2 Duo ) / Mac OSX 10.4.9 / 2 GRam
>
> Didn't do anything special, only walk through the Demo....
> and stay playing  with the google link.... but it crashes quite  
> quickly ( the last 2 pages )
> Sorry, no time to investigate more precisely  at the moment.
>
>
> Regards,
> thierry
>
>
>> Cheers,
>> Luis.
>>
>>  Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a  
>>>> couple
>>>> of seconds later boom!
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Luis.
>>>
>>> On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an  
>>> error dialog
>>> that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page, then  
>>> it loads
>>> and looks normal. Probably just badly formed javascript.
>>>
>>> What platform is experiencing the crash?
>
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From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Sat May 19 22:34:02 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 21:34:02 -0500
Subject: OT: Descent FTP Client for Windows?
In-Reply-To: <f2o07i$2de$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <464F67A8.4060402@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<464F6C72.000001.01352@MAZYTIS><7aa52a210705191453r21bc8845v8e3eadb6879e0ad@mail.gmail.com>	<464F79CC.4030400@harbourhosting.co.uk>
	<f2o07i$2de$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <464FB39A.1030204@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Well, I just got done trying out both SmartFTP and FileZilla.  I have to
say that FileZilla is a little more of what I was looking for.  Still,
the presence of a "nice" looking client like Transmit is still absent
from the Windows platform.

Thanks to everyone for their suggestions.  I really appreciate it!


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/


Bill Marriott wrote:
> Whether you go for the standard or the portable edition, FileZilla is the 
> best, bar none.



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Sat May 19 23:59:32 2007
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 23:59:32 -0400
Subject: Private commands
Message-ID: <CFBF03EF-AE51-4813-9261-FF3033FF8020@wehostmacs.com>

"Sounds kind of pornographic doesn't it :)"

Nothing wrong with that ;-)  Take a look at the HTTP specs and the  
codes 416 "Requested Range Not Satisfiable" and 417 "Expectation  
Failed" almost looks like the women of the working group were making  
fun of the men on the working group ;-)


Anyways, back to the topic at hand.. I too attempted to use a  
"private command" with parameters passed by reference and was just  
given a 417 as well (see above for the joke)

I also came across another problem with the new "private command"  
feature and have detailed it in bug report 4997, but the basic gist  
of it is you can't use "private commands" for socket callback  
messages which is too bad because those are basically the ones I  
personally want to hide from the public API of the libraries *sigh*

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4997>


-Sean


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun May 20 03:08:12 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 00:08:12 -0700
Subject: Setting up an application's Icon
In-Reply-To: <3E102A91-E2E3-4B46-9F42-5D49C13128E3@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<20E2358F-1CF5-4185-8AAC-EF98FDA9A895@looktowindward.com>
	<95B03768-7457-4B7A-A66D-E29368FDD2DF@mac.com>
	<18D7A345-1958-4891-801C-008CFB99E087@looktowindward.com>
	<3E102A91-E2E3-4B46-9F42-5D49C13128E3@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D37C3CE0-6C39-4BC2-A436-D7B36C6A7E55@cox.net>

OK, I give up. I'm finally ready to wrap up my Coloring Book Program,  
but I can find nothing that tells me how to setup the Icon that I  
want to use for it. It's got to be simple, right?

Any help would be appreciated. The gRevAppIcon does nothing for me.

TIA,

Joe Wilkins



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sun May 20 04:52:16 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 09:52:16 +0100
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <p062408f4c275210b4694@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <464F299F.6080804@fourthworld.com>
	<p062408f4c275210b4694@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <180A7C19-EFE7-4238-BFD3-01CE8CE0F249@azurevision.co.uk>


On 19 May 2007, at 23:57, Robert Brenstein wrote:

> Let me just remind that what started this thread was an innocent  
> inquiry whether we can expect 2.8.1 for OS9 since 2.7 was  
> "promised" but never materialized. This is along the same lines as  
> the other thread discussing RR starting public beta for 2.7.5 but  
> releasing 2.8 and 2.8.1 instead.

It's worth bringing up the change in naming again:

'- Revolution 2.7.5 has been renamed to Revolution 2.9. Everything  
we've talked about in the past pertaining to 2.7.5 remains unchanged,  
except the version number will be "2.9."'

The 2.7 cycle as-was *is still in progress*, so there's no way of  
saying that things haven't materialised yet. 2.8 and 2.8.1 are  
intermediate releases, not 'instead'. This name change by Rev seems  
to have caused more perception problems than anything else they've  
done recently...


Maybe someone from RR could publicly state this again, and let us  
know what the status is for an updated Classic engine?

Ian


From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 20 05:07:39 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:07:39 +0100
Subject: Private commands
In-Reply-To: <CFBF03EF-AE51-4813-9261-FF3033FF8020@wehostmacs.com>
References: <CFBF03EF-AE51-4813-9261-FF3033FF8020@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705200207o476198e2p2859d060e6c35103@mail.gmail.com>

On 20/05/07, Shao Sean <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:
>
> Anyways, back to the topic at hand.. I too attempted to use a
> "private command" with parameters passed by reference and was just
> given a 417 as well (see above for the joke)


Have you filed it as a bug report - can't see it.

I also came across another problem with the new "private command"
> feature and have detailed it in bug report 4997, but the basic gist
> of it is you can't use "private commands" for socket callback
> messages which is too bad because those are basically the ones I
> personally want to hide from the public API of the libraries *sigh*


Yes. Same here there are two types of handlers that i use often which are of
no use to anyone except as a "private" handler that is repeatedly called by
one or more functions:

    1) A handler that needs to return multiple values - like a line parser

    2) A recursive handler that have params that are internal to its
recursive nature

Both of these need to use call-by-reference handlers - and both want to be
private handlers. It looks as if by some strange coincidence the handlers
that actually need to be private can't - maybe there will be way round it.


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sun May 20 05:58:41 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:58:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: "Easy to use"
Message-ID: <671938.77203.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I had a peep at the latest downloads on the Apple site
and there was Revolution Studio 2.8.1 which was
described as:

"easy-to-use and packed with features"

The "easy-to-use" surely only refers to a small subset
of the feature set (i.e. those that require little or
no coding).

Even the documentation can prove a bit opaque to new
users.

This is similar to claims that have been made about
the current cross-platform, cross-OS GUI: - but it is
not easy to use for people who have never used
computers before.

Working with an 11 year-old who had never done any
programming before RR was not "easy-to-use" at all.

By way of comparison we played with the OOO equivalent
of PowerPoint.

As the 11 year-old only wanted to bung together 25
images of trolls from the internet into an automatic
slideshow OOO won hands down.

When we moved on to try a calculator (+,-,/,* 
sophisticated stuff) we rapidly bogged down in the
child's lack of understanding of variables and
constants: we only got somewhere after sitting on the
floor (a long way away from the computer) with lots of
plastic cups and buttons - but I had to teach him.

Until somebody can cope with the following ideas, no
computer programming package (however O-O it may be)
will be easy to use:-

1.  A=A+1

2.  Looping

"We" (and by 'We' I include the staff of RunRev) have
"been at it" so long we have forgotten that.

4 Years ago I sat in a classroom in the University of
Abertay as part of what was passing itself off as a
MSc in Computers and IT while somebody tried to
explain these 2 fundamental concepts to students - as
I had the advanytage of having had them explained to
me 30 years earlier I fiddled with my double-sided
slide-rule - who just couldn't get to grips with this;
hence a comment:

"This is stupid, everybody knows that a number cannot
equal itself plus 1."

Somewhere down the line an extremely odd idea has
developed that anybody can program a computer without
learning first principles - this is seriously
misleading.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

____________________________________________________________

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____________________________________________________________


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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun May 20 06:20:17 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 11:20:17 +0100
Subject: "Easy to use"
In-Reply-To: <671938.77203.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <671938.77203.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D540528-894C-481E-8D8B-EFFA3D89254F@maseurope.net>

To be fair, the 'easy-to-use' description occurs in a list of  
downloadable development tools. It seems to me that in the context of  
that list (part of which is below), the phrase 'easy-to-use' seems a  
reasonable description of Revolution with regard to new programmers.



Best,

Mark


> Revolution Studio 2.8.1 Download  Staff Pick  05/18/2007 The user- 
> centric development tool for every major platform, easy-to-use and  
> packed with features. (Demo)
>
> iLingual 1.0.4 Download  05/18/2007 Very simple localization tool  
> for OS X applications. (Shareware)
>
> Visual Paradigm for UML (Enterprise Edition) 6.0 SP 2 Download   
> Staff Pick  05/14/2007 A model-code-deploy platform. (Demo)
>
> DB Visual ARCHITECT (Professional Edition) 4.0 SP2 Download  Staff  
> Pick  05/14/2007 Access database with object-oriented technology.  
> (Demo)
>
> BaseTen 1.0RC1 Download  05/09/2007 Open source Cocoa database  
> framework for PostgreSQL databases with familiar, Core Data-like  
> semantics and APIs. (Freeware)
>
> oXygen XML Editor 8.2 Download  05/07/2007 Oxygen is a Java-based  
> XML Editor and XSLT Debugger with support for XSD, DTD. (Shareware)
>
> Java EE SDK Update 2 Download  Staff Pick  05/07/2007 Implement  
> enterprise-class service-oriented architecture (SOA) and next- 
> generation web applications with Ajax, scripting, and more. (Freeware)
>
> Jar Inspector 1.0 Download  05/01/2007 Jar Inspector is an easy to  
> use yet powerful jar file editor. It allows you to effortlessly  
> view, edit and decompile the contents of jar files. (Freeware)


From scott at cdroo.com  Sun May 20 06:22:45 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:22:45 +1000
Subject: Setting up an application's Icon
References: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2><20E2358F-1CF5-4185-8AAC-EF98FDA9A895@looktowindward.com><95B03768-7457-4B7A-A66D-E29368FDD2DF@mac.com><18D7A345-1958-4891-801C-008CFB99E087@looktowindward.com><3E102A91-E2E3-4B46-9F42-5D49C13128E3@anachreon.co.uk>
	<D37C3CE0-6C39-4BC2-A436-D7B36C6A7E55@cox.net>
Message-ID: <000201c79ac8$d10b8bc0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> OK, I give up. I'm finally ready to wrap up my Coloring Book Program,  but 
> I can find nothing that tells me how to setup the Icon that I  want to use 
> for it. It's got to be simple, right?
>
> Any help would be appreciated. The gRevAppIcon does nothing for me.

Not sure if you mean how to tell Rev or how to create the icon.  There is a 
good tutorial here, but it assumes you know how to add the icon in Rev 
(which is really only a matter of going to the Standalone Settings).

< 
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/StandaloneBuilderTutorial/BuildingIconsforMacOSXandWindowsXP.htm >


Scott Kane
"Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start
today and make a new ending." -- Maria Robinson 



From scott at cdroo.com  Sun May 20 06:34:47 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:34:47 +1000
Subject: Build for Classic
References: <20070518234726.26973489522@mail.runrev.com>
	<0A1DC4B7-E72D-4D67-8AB7-FE54231CC431@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c79aca$80821af0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Jeff Reynolds" <jeff at siphonophore.com>

> nope, a lot of schools wont do this unless folks like you with the  savvy 
> to figure out how to do this go in and volunteer to do it, you  donate the 
> money for the  the copies of osx for their computers, then  you will have 
> to come in and train the teachers how to use the osx,  then you will have 
> to support the new systems, then you will have to  probably donate copies 
> of the osx versions of newer software for them  to use since they dont 
> have the tech personnel or money to do any of  this in many cases.

I do understand this and it's a darn shame.  I'm not in the USA but we have 
the same issues here none the less.  I hold a degree in teaching (Primary - 
what our USA friends call Elementary) and taught for - wait for it - just 
under 30 days before I quit in total disgust at the teachers I worked with 
(I met them on rounds during Uni (called Teachers College in those days) but 
naively believed it would be different when I was "one of them").    My wife 
happens also to be a teacher, though she shows heaps more sense than many of 
those I worked with.  Recently on TV there was a live audience debate with a 
panel of "experts" on technology (none of them were programmers or 
technicians but one guy "designed web sites").  One of the members of the 
panel was a teacher and she declared "Teachers know everything they need to 
know about computers."  With that attitude not much seems to have changed 
since I was there.  Sure there are budgetary constraints and huge problems 
with that but in my own experience there is also the element of the "know it 
all" who can't be told, knows everything worth knowing and that's the end of 
it.  Until that changes it won't matter how much money is thrown their way. 
It's a vicious circle - and yes I know there are lots of good teachers.  But 
there are just so many bad ones out there!  :-(

Scott Kane
"In painting a tiger you can paint the skin, but not the bones."  Confucius 



From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Sun May 20 06:51:57 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 11:51:57 +0100
Subject: "Easy to use"
In-Reply-To: <671938.77203.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <671938.77203.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4650284D.4010508@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> I had a peep at the latest downloads on the Apple site
> and there was Revolution Studio 2.8.1 which was
> described as:
> 
> "easy-to-use and packed with features"
> 
> The "easy-to-use" surely only refers to a small subset
> of the feature set (i.e. those that require little or
> no coding).
> 
> Even the documentation can prove a bit opaque to new
> users.
> 
> This is similar to claims that have been made about
> the current cross-platform, cross-OS GUI: - but it is
> not easy to use for people who have never used
> computers before.
> 
> Working with an 11 year-old who had never done any
> programming before RR was not "easy-to-use" at all.
> 
> By way of comparison we played with the OOO equivalent
> of PowerPoint.
> 
> As the 11 year-old only wanted to bung together 25
> images of trolls from the internet into an automatic
> slideshow OOO won hands down.
> 
> When we moved on to try a calculator (+,-,/,* 
> sophisticated stuff) we rapidly bogged down in the
> child's lack of understanding of variables and
> constants: we only got somewhere after sitting on the
> floor (a long way away from the computer) with lots of
> plastic cups and buttons - but I had to teach him.
> 
> Until somebody can cope with the following ideas, no
> computer programming package (however O-O it may be)
> will be easy to use:-
> 
> 1.  A=A+1
> 
> 2.  Looping
> 
> "We" (and by 'We' I include the staff of RunRev) have
> "been at it" so long we have forgotten that.
> 
> 4 Years ago I sat in a classroom in the University of
> Abertay as part of what was passing itself off as a
> MSc in Computers and IT while somebody tried to
> explain these 2 fundamental concepts to students - as
> I had the advanytage of having had them explained to
> me 30 years earlier I fiddled with my double-sided
> slide-rule - who just couldn't get to grips with this;
> hence a comment:
> 
> "This is stupid, everybody knows that a number cannot
> equal itself plus 1."
> 
> Somewhere down the line an extremely odd idea has
> developed that anybody can program a computer without
> learning first principles - this is seriously
> misleading.
> 

Welcome to "Marketing World"

Marketing World is easy to use, even for novices, yet delivers the power 
and flexibility normally only available in an entire solar system*.
Marketing World fits easily in your laptop bag or briefcase but provides 
ample space for your most ambitious projects*.
Tired of having sand kicked in your face? Want a larger bosom? 
Embarrassed by your unfashionable car or operating system version? 
Whatever your inferiority complex, Marketing World can promise you your 
dreams*.

*(exceptions may apply in your jurisdiction)

Martin Baxter ;-)


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sun May 20 07:13:28 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:13:28 +0100 (BST)
Subject: "Ease of use"
Message-ID: <20070520111328.2441.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Martin Baxter wrote:

"Welcome to "Marketing World"

Marketing World is easy to use, even for novices, yet
delivers the power 
and flexibility normally only available in an entire
solar system*.
Marketing World fits easily in your laptop bag or
briefcase but provides 
ample space for your most ambitious projects*.
Tired of having sand kicked in your face? Want a
larger bosom? 
Embarrassed by your unfashionable car or operating
system version? 
Whatever your inferiority complex, Marketing World can
promise you your 
dreams*.

*(exceptions may apply in your jurisdiction)"

could we possibly arrange a meeting so that I can have
a larger bosom?  :)

Very Well Put!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.

____________________________________________________________

A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle.
____________________________________________________________


		
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From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 20 08:25:21 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:25:21 +0100
Subject: Debugger fixes bug - expert advise needed!
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705200525y4aa03b95i8088b851497bc481@mail.gmail.com>

No - I am not trying to be cryptic - but this one is driving me nuts. The
problem I have is in a script that creates complex nested objects using
"copy something to group destination". The script first copied a template
group and then fills in the subgroups depending on the result wanted. All
works fine except sometimes :( And sometimes the group that has been
created, renamed and then positioned - well the controls within it do no
"exist()"!

I have come across this before, and the reason I am finding it so hard to
fix is that if I put a breakpoint before the offending line in order to
debug it - well it starts to work fine - the lines are as follows:

            put the object_FromReferencePath
["view_Object/right_View/header_View"] of topView     --  mistakenly results
in empty
            breakpoint
            put the object_FromReferencePath
["view_Object/right_View/header_View"] of topView     --  is now completely
fine

The script that does the work is simple:

getprop object_FromReferencePath [objectRefPath]
    put the long id of the target into someObject

    set the itemdelimiter to  "/"
    repeat for each item objectRef in objectRefPath
        if exists(someObject) is false then return empty
        put the objectRef of someObject into someObject
    end repeat
    return someObject
end object_FromReferencePath

So what could the debugger be doing to "fix" this? Is it to do with the way
the debugger evaluates a script line? I have spent 4 hours on this and well
frankly it is impossible to debug :)

I am trying to replicate it with a clean stack to file as a bug report, but
no joy yet...  it seems only to cause a problem at a certain level of
nesting or object creation. Clues anyone?


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun May 20 08:35:12 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:35:12 +0200
Subject: Debugger fixes bug - expert advise needed!
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705200525y4aa03b95i8088b851497bc481@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705200525y4aa03b95i8088b851497bc481@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77525167-CA0F-4A0A-8C16-F3C946631C85@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi David,

Could you first enlighten us:
Does topView contains a complete reference to an object?

Le 20 mai 07 ? 14:25, David Bovill a ?crit :

> No - I am not trying to be cryptic - but this one is driving me  
> nuts. The
> problem I have is in a script that creates complex nested objects  
> using
> "copy something to group destination". The script first copied a  
> template
> group and then fills in the subgroups depending on the result  
> wanted. All
> works fine except sometimes :( And sometimes the group that has been
> created, renamed and then positioned - well the controls within it  
> do no
> "exist()"!
>
> I have come across this before, and the reason I am finding it so  
> hard to
> fix is that if I put a breakpoint before the offending line in  
> order to
> debug it - well it starts to work fine - the lines are as follows:
>
>            put the object_FromReferencePath
> ["view_Object/right_View/header_View"] of topView     --   
> mistakenly results
> in empty
>            breakpoint
>            put the object_FromReferencePath
> ["view_Object/right_View/header_View"] of topView     --  is now  
> completely
> fine
>
> The script that does the work is simple:
>
> getprop object_FromReferencePath [objectRefPath]
>    put the long id of the target into someObject
>
>    set the itemdelimiter to  "/"
>    repeat for each item objectRef in objectRefPath
>        if exists(someObject) is false then return empty
>        put the objectRef of someObject into someObject
>    end repeat
>    return someObject
> end object_FromReferencePath
>
> So what could the debugger be doing to "fix" this? Is it to do with  
> the way
> the debugger evaluates a script line? I have spent 4 hours on this  
> and well
> frankly it is impossible to debug :)
>
> I am trying to replicate it with a clean stack to file as a bug  
> report, but
> no joy yet...  it seems only to cause a problem at a certain level of
> nesting or object creation. Clues anyone?


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 20 08:35:31 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:35:31 +0100
Subject: altID
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705200535h2d683a0bu8912d8afde34a593@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone got extensive experience of using altID? I am thinking of using
it - but not sure exactly how.

The scenario I have is to do with a library of components that get copied
all over the place, replace each other and need a good way of referring to
each other and their library equivalents. I cant to use ids as they change
when copied. I can't use names, because there may be other controls of the
same name, and i want to be able to rename them without affecting anything,
so... can I use altIDs?

For a while now I have been using custom properties like:

getprop title_Field
  return the long id of fld "Title" of me
end title_Field

Which works very well - put the title_Field of group "Outline" works.
Renaming can be handled using a look-up in the custom property and trapping
for the nameChanged message. The script is nicely organised as there is only
one place where a control is referred to.

That said could I be using altIDs or another technique?


From scott at cdroo.com  Sun May 20 08:50:47 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:50:47 +1000
Subject: altID
References: <c1c5836b0705200535h2d683a0bu8912d8afde34a593@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601c79add$7ecdb990$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Bovill" <david at openpartnership.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 10:35 PM
Subject: altID


> Has anyone got extensive experience of using altID? I am thinking of using 
> it - but not sure exactly how.

It's on my shopping list for this week as a matter of fact.  :-)   There's a 
good tutorial on Alt's website, as I've not used it I'm not able to give 
details but it seems to work with standard Rev objects and as such I would 
think you could pretty much do anything to those objects used with it that 
you cna do in Rev.

Scott Kane
Scott Kane
"There are two ways of being deceived.  One is to believe that which is not
true.  The other is to not believe that which is true." S?ren Aabye
Kierkegaard





From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun May 20 09:03:17 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:03:17 +0200
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705200535h2d683a0bu8912d8afde34a593@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705200535h2d683a0bu8912d8afde34a593@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E8FF4A3-E315-437C-B374-943E81BFF492@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi David,

AltID works perfectly as long as there is not yet another object with  
this ID:
Then always choose very high altIDs to avoid conflicts:

Set the altID of btn ID 1011 to 600000
put the long ID of btn ID 600000
 > button id 1011 of card id 1002 of stack <stack path>
:-)

Le 20 mai 07 ? 14:35, David Bovill a ?crit :

> Has anyone got extensive experience of using altID? I am thinking  
> of using
> it - but not sure exactly how.
>
> The scenario I have is to do with a library of components that get  
> copied
> all over the place, replace each other and need a good way of  
> referring to
> each other and their library equivalents. I cant to use ids as they  
> change
> when copied. I can't use names, because there may be other controls  
> of the
> same name, and i want to be able to rename them without affecting  
> anything,
> so... can I use altIDs?
>
> For a while now I have been using custom properties like:
>
> getprop title_Field
>  return the long id of fld "Title" of me
> end title_Field
>
> Which works very well - put the title_Field of group "Outline" works.
> Renaming can be handled using a look-up in the custom property and  
> trapping
> for the nameChanged message. The script is nicely organised as  
> there is only
> one place where a control is referred to.
>
> That said could I be using altIDs or another technique?

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Sun May 20 09:21:52 2007
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:21:52 -0300
Subject: Decoding a vCard...
In-Reply-To: <4640B140.6040806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C275D1C0.D6B5%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

Has anyone created a snippet that will decode a vCard?  I'd like to
selectively transfer certain contacts from Entourage to an in-house
browser-based app... Jim
-- 

HiringSmart Canada is a successful international end-to-end human resource
support business 
> providing science-based assessments and productivity tools to multi-branch
> businesses 
> where each branch, without the help of an HR professional, attracts, hires and
> engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
 
We Help You Attract, Hire and Keep the Right People.
www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca   www.KeepingTheBest.ca

HiringSmart Canada
23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139






From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 20 09:46:53 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 14:46:53 +0100
Subject: "Copy control" - is not copying now!
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705200646i468dff20p6868f564648fab8c@mail.gmail.com>

Still not got to the bottom of this - but what is happening is that the
previous "copy" has happened but is not being registered by the rev engine.
A breakpoint gives it time to catch up - though wait has no effect (perhaps
due to blocking). It is not to do with the way I am referencing the
controls:

Without adding a breakpoint for the following lines of code:

put rightView
> put the name of rightView
> put the number of controls of rightView
> put the name of control 1 of rightView
> put the name of control 2 of rightView
> put the long id of group 1 of rightView
>

I get:

group id 1992 of group id 1981 of card id 1002 of stack "Test Copy"
> group "_Right View"
> 2
> button "_Layout PlaceHolder"
> button "_Placeholder Menu"


with the script exiting on the last line because there is supposedly no
"group 1". Well there is! It has been copied there and the original controls
deleted. After teh script wrongly exits - they are there to see and refer to
with the same code.

If I put a breakpoint before the lines of code above and then "run" the same
code in the debugger:

breakpoint
>
put rightView
> put the name of rightView
> put the number of controls of rightView
> put the name of control 1 of rightView
> put the name of control 2 of rightView
> put the long id of group 1 of rightView


I get the following correct result:

group id 2083 of group id 2069 of card id 1002 of stack "Test Copy"
> group "_Right View"
> 12
> button "_Menu Button"
> button "_Header Divider"
> group id 2087 of group id 2083 of group id 2069 of card id 1002 of stack
> "Test Copy"


in other words  it has been created and is a group with 12 controls (one of
them a nested group) in it not the old simple place holder group.

Any idea how to force the engine to "catch up" - which must be what the
debugger is doing?


From mark at maseurope.net  Sun May 20 10:31:15 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:31:15 +0100
Subject: Decoding a vCard...
In-Reply-To: <C275D1C0.D6B5%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
References: <C275D1C0.D6B5%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <96636E7B-4691-402C-BE8A-E2F2AF80E146@maseurope.net>

Andre Garzia made a library for working with vObjects - I'm not sure  
where to find it, but if you search the list archives you should be  
able to find it.

Best,

Mark

On 20 May 2007, at 14:21, Jim Carwardine wrote:

> Has anyone created a snippet that will decode a vCard?  I'd like to
> selectively transfer certain contacts from Entourage to an in-house
> browser-based app... Jim
> -- 
>
> HiringSmart Canada is a successful international end-to-end human  
> resource
> support business
>> providing science-based assessments and productivity tools to  
>> multi-branch
>> businesses
>> where each branch, without the help of an HR professional,  
>> attracts, hires and
>> engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
>
> We Help You Attract, Hire and Keep the Right People.
> www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca   www.KeepingTheBest.ca
>
> HiringSmart Canada
> 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun May 20 10:38:31 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 07:38:31 -0700
Subject: Setting up an application's Icon
In-Reply-To: <000201c79ac8$d10b8bc0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2><20E2358F-1CF5-4185-8AAC-EF98FDA9A895@looktowindward.com><95B03768-7457-4B7A-A66D-E29368FDD2DF@mac.com><18D7A345-1958-4891-801C-008CFB99E087@looktowindward.com><3E102A91-E2E3-4B46-9F42-5D49C13128E3@anachreon.co.uk>
	<D37C3CE0-6C39-4BC2-A436-D7B36C6A7E55@cox.net>
	<000201c79ac8$d10b8bc0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <EC1F811D-A60A-4668-ADC5-FC50EB2E6E93@cox.net>

Hi Scott,

No, I have the icon completed. I've looked at the Standalone settings  
and the only reference I find is to the icon that is associated with  
the various dialogs. Also, nothing relevant in the docs. I'll check  
your links for this, but this is something that should be more  
clearly and VERY specifically documented. I also tried using the  
icon2image.demo and did not find it relevant. So??? I'll keep  
trying... Thanks!

Joe Wilkins

On May 20, 2007, at 3:22 AM, Scott Kane wrote:

>> OK, I give up. I'm finally ready to wrap up my Coloring Book  
>> Program,  but I can find nothing that tells me how to setup the  
>> Icon that I  want to use for it. It's got to be simple, right?
>>
>> Any help would be appreciated. The gRevAppIcon does nothing for me.
>
> Not sure if you mean how to tell Rev or how to create the icon.   
> There is a good tutorial here, but it assumes you know how to add  
> the icon in Rev (which is really only a matter of going to the  
> Standalone Settings).



From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 20 10:49:05 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 15:49:05 +0100
Subject: Debugger fixes bug - expert advise needed!
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705200525y4aa03b95i8088b851497bc481@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705200525y4aa03b95i8088b851497bc481@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705200749i65bacfb7s34887cde0902b3e2@mail.gmail.com>

Found it - the reason why the engine had not registered the new status of
the created objects is the following lines of code:

send "delete viewToReplace" to viewToReplace in 2 ticks    # in order to
> self delete if required.
>

The engine must be waiting until the delete occurs before updating its
records - even though a subsequent "copy" has already created the new
objects.

Changeing the line to:

delete viewToReplace
>

Fixes everything - phew! I am not sure if this is a bug or something that
should be put up with and put in the docs - but its filed:
    http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5038


From jeff at siphonophore.com  Sun May 20 10:51:21 2007
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:51:21 -0400
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <20070520123523.B619F489294@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070520123523.B619F489294@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EEB5506C-645D-4B2F-9FFD-36F067960FE4@siphonophore.com>

Sorry this is not so. They sitll have some small budgets for software  
and want to be able to run new stuff they buy on all the computers  
they can and in some case its only old computers they have.

Its not a huge market in the over all scheme of software, but in the  
education market, especially K-6 the publishers, distributers, and  
school buyers always asks and if you say no they will either say no  
thanks or at best grumble a lot.

Not having a classic app in this market still severely hurts your  
chance of getting published, distributed and bought. I have a feeling  
this will be a few more years till its dead enough to ignore.

I hear a lot of non education folks talking about how we should be  
developing for the ed market here. sorry you just have to go out and  
experience that market for a while to see whats there and how it  
operates, its very different from the markets/clients you are use to.  
Its a totally different world you cant change it with a few 'ideas'  
thrown in, it dictates what you have to do to it since its sooo much  
larger than anything we can control and has money political problems  
out the wazoo.

I also want to make it clear even if publishers and distributors  
didnt force me to develop the os9 versions for this market i would  
since so many folks out there still want to use the product on those  
computers (i know we have lots of educators come up to us at  
conferences) and the whole reason i take a huge pay cut to work on  
education stuff is so that it gets used and makes a difference. I  
could not sleep at night if i were to cut those folks off just  
because it was not making me much money to do so. We keep our  
products inexpensive enough that teachers even buy them out of their  
own pockets or get a parent who has offered to buy and donate things  
to the classroom, so they can buy these little pieces of software/ 
content, but not enough to buy a new computer. Yes we try to make a  
profit, but the profit we make is not something most folks would be  
happy with probably for a living.

I realize the rest of the rev group is not in this boat. Im fine with  
that, i just want to find out what the final say from rev is on the  
os9 issue. is it dead at 2.6.1, are they going to do one last try or  
what and then i will plan accordingly. I have just been trying to  
find out if the classic is really dead at 2.6.1 or if there is going  
to be one more round as promised in 2.7 and 2.8.

my only fear with developing in 2.6.1 and then using the later  
versions for creating the osx and pc apps is that some gotcha will  
show up in bringing the older stack into the newer system for app  
building. i think this is low risk, but it smacks of a murphy  
situation...

Please rev just tell us what the scoop is and ill be happy. I dont  
intend to stomp my feet and demand it or that there is the business  
justification for rev to do this. i just want a straight and final  
answer. I was not trying to start the debate if rev should be keeping  
classic, just defending why i had to keep developing classic from  
folks that do not understand the ed market I work in. i think you  
folks are right classic is dead in the larger markets and should be,  
but trying to kill it in ed by not developing for it is not helping  
education, just hurting it.

cheers,

Jeffrey Reynolds



On May 20, 2007, at 8:35 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

>> The thought was: those who
>> are satisfied with the old OS are satisfied with the old version  
>> of our
>> software.
> <snip>
>> I suspect this is true in education as well. One could make an  
>> Apple II
>> version of a program but even schools still using A IIs will be  
>> unlike to buy it.
>> There may be a lot of classic
>> computers in education but that doesn't mean there is a big market  
>> for classic
>> programs.
>
> Excellent points Paul. I hadn't thought of it that way, but of course
> you're right. If you're not interested in upgrading hardware, why
> would you upgrade software?
>
> -Chipp



From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun May 20 10:56:47 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 07:56:47 -0700
Subject: Setting up an application's Icon
In-Reply-To: <EC1F811D-A60A-4668-ADC5-FC50EB2E6E93@cox.net>
References: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2><20E2358F-1CF5-4185-8AAC-EF98FDA9A895@looktowindward.com><95B03768-7457-4B7A-A66D-E29368FDD2DF@mac.com><18D7A345-1958-4891-801C-008CFB99E087@looktowindward.com><3E102A91-E2E3-4B46-9F42-5D49C13128E3@anachreon.co.uk>
	<D37C3CE0-6C39-4BC2-A436-D7B36C6A7E55@cox.net>
	<000201c79ac8$d10b8bc0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<EC1F811D-A60A-4668-ADC5-FC50EB2E6E93@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1E5FDCAE-DDE7-4BD2-A676-18B833AAA7AC@cox.net>

Hi again, Scott,

It was a long time ago that I explored all of the Standalone  
settings, and had forgotten the icon settings are on the Platform  
cards, not the General card. So this should no longer be a problem. I  
hope. Thanks again,

Joe Wilkins

On May 20, 2007, at 7:38 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Hi Scott,
>
> No, I have the icon completed. I've looked at the Standalone  
> settings and the only reference I find is to the icon that is  
> associated with the various dialogs. Also, nothing relevant in the  
> docs. I'll check your links for this, but this is something that  
> should be more clearly and VERY specifically documented. I also  
> tried using the icon2image.demo and did not find it relevant. So???  
> I'll keep trying... Thanks!
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On May 20, 2007, at 3:22 AM, Scott Kane wrote:
>
>>> OK, I give up. I'm finally ready to wrap up my Coloring Book  
>>> Program,  but I can find nothing that tells me how to setup the  
>>> Icon that I  want to use for it. It's got to be simple, right?
>>>
>>> Any help would be appreciated. The gRevAppIcon does nothing for me.
>>
>> Not sure if you mean how to tell Rev or how to create the icon.   
>> There is a good tutorial here, but it assumes you know how to add  
>> the icon in Rev (which is really only a matter of going to the  
>> Standalone Settings).



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun May 20 11:37:11 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 16:37:11 +0100
Subject: VirtualStore location
In-Reply-To: <a06020400c2723fdfc0fe@[192.168.2.38]>
References: <a06020400c2723fdfc0fe@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <20070520163711441763.bcc582d5@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 17 May 2007 13:26:11 -0400, Shari wrote:

> Ken Ray had posted awhile back about Vista gotchas and the 
> VirtualStore issue.  Is there a built in SpecialFolderPath to get the 
> VirtualStore location without hardcoding it?  And if so, which engine 
> did it come out in?

Not that I'm aware of, Shari... I posted all the Vista special folder 
paths at my site:
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/file010.htm

You could use specialFolderPath(28) and then append the 
VirtualStore/.../... folder path after it.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From Camm29 at tesco.net  Sun May 20 12:09:14 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 17:09:14 +0100
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
Message-ID: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop>

 have posted this topic before and reported a bug 4927 !

Just an update , 

I tried Sarah's SerialTest.rev as well , this hung the PC on pressing the Open Port Button.
Again , the only way out was to reboot the PC !  

Running Windows XP
Using IVT BlueSoleil (USB to Bluetooth Adapter)

Before anybody gets excited it's just a Virtual RS232 Com Port and works great with " C " written programs
without Revolution's Engine.

IT ONLY FAILS WITH REVOLUTION APPLICATIONS  !!!! 
I'm stuffed until this is fixed.

Help anybody ? It's seems there's a serious lack of Knowledge or Interest on Rev 's Communication I/O 
Engine at present !

Best Regards
Camm


From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Sun May 20 12:22:34 2007
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:22:34 EDT
Subject: How do I mimic dialog boxes?
Message-ID: <bea.111b5898.3381cfca@aol.com>

Hi Everyone,

Since ?Ask? and ?Answer? dialog boxes come up too slow how can I mimic 
those boxes without using those commands? I?m using Mac OSX if it matters.

Joe in Orlando Florida


**************************************
 See what's free 
at http://www.aol.com.


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sun May 20 12:43:15 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 09:43:15 -0700
Subject: How do I mimic dialog boxes?
In-Reply-To: <bea.111b5898.3381cfca@aol.com>
References: <bea.111b5898.3381cfca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <99C08078-FBEB-4FA1-BE6A-6A8D0052556B@cox.net>

Joe,

I just tried "simple" ask and answer calls from the message box. They  
were acceptably fast; so I must conclude that such things as using  
your own Icon and complex parameters must be the source of the  
apparent slowness you are seeing. I wouldn't give up on the standard  
calls yet. The Ask and Answer Dialogs are too intrinsic to not be  
optimized. Maybe we get too elaborate with them sometimes. I recall  
having used some extremely convoluted Ask and Answer Dialogs in my HC  
days. They were as fast as you could want.

Instead of using stacks for them, perhaps we can use hidden images  
with buttons and text fields that get shown and then hidden. This  
should be very fast I would think. Just a matter of creating them in  
the background for a stack. This would also allow for some fairly  
unusual/fancy Dialog appearances. Just a thought. Maybe hair-brained?

Joe Wilkins

On May 20, 2007, at 9:22 AM, LunchnMeets at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> Since ?Ask? and ?Answer? dialog boxes come up too slow how can I mimic
> those boxes without using those commands? I?m using Mac OSX if it  
> matters.
>
> Joe in Orlando Florida
>
>
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sun May 20 12:54:56 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:54:56 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <46507D60.1000101@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Sat, 19 May 2007, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> I think Rev just makes a call to the OS to get the info. If the detailed
> file info matches the Finder (or the info in Windows Explorer) then I
> think the behavior is correct. Rev doesn't actually read any of the
> files itself, it just gets whatever the OS returns.
> (snip)
>
> >> But then, it seems there is no reliable procedure to get at the 
> creation
> >> dates when you use "the detailed files" - meaning the docs are not 
> fully
> >> correct here.
>
>
> See if they match what the OS thinks they should be. If they do, then I
> think it's working. If you need to read the stored EXIF data instead,
> then you'd need to use Alex's utility or something similar.
>
> When I copy files to my Windows box, it too changes the creation date
> sometimes.
>
> -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive 
> Software | 


Am I right to assume that what he OS thinks can be seen when you open a 
folder in the "details" view (Windows XP), where the modification and 
creation dates (interestingly in this order) are displayed?

If this is the case then it is also safe to assume that the "detailed 
files" function of Rev never looks at these internal OS data, and only 
in rare cases comes up with matching data. Otherwise it is not 
comprehensible that creation dates are not retrieved from the OS (by the 
detailed files of Rev) when they in fact could easily be inspected in 
the folder/file information of the OS - and,  as I already pointed out, 
sometimes you get sort of "transfer" data through the detailed files 
that cannot be found among the OS information.

I have got one image folder here, where the OS clearly shows different 
modification and creation dates, but on using the "detailed files" of 
Rev only the modification dates are shown both with item 4 and item 5 of 
the detailed files.

Concerning MacOS the internal image file data can most probably be 
inspected using a Mac application like "iTunes". As I reported in my 
first post of May 19, image "M" ( the one I slightly modified by 
changing the contrast, but saved with the same name) shows the following 
data in iTunes:

> On my Mac:  The photo information in "iTunes" reads
>
> for image M: "created" ("aufgenommen" in German): March 4
>                    "digitalized": March 4
>                    "modified"  : March 4
>                    "imported" : May 19
>
> for image O: "created"    :March 4
>                    "digitalized": March 4
>                    "modified"  : March 4
>                    "imported" : May 19


Image "M" was indeed modified by me on May 19 in the way described 
above, but apparently this modification (by keeping the name and only 
changing the contrast) is not recognized as a "modification" by the Mac 
OS. But the detailed files display the "imported" date as modification 
(or "creation") in the case of image "M", but not in the case of the 
unmodified image "O", although the latter was also imported on May 19.

So much for the reliability of the "detailed files" and the 
correspondence with OS information.

The detailed-files function of Rev appears to be extremely "buggy", and 
the Rev team should take a close look both at the function itself and 
the corresponding information in the docs.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun May 20 13:01:39 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:01:39 -0700
Subject: How do I mimic dialog boxes?
In-Reply-To: <99C08078-FBEB-4FA1-BE6A-6A8D0052556B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C275CD03.2608F%scott@tactilemedia.com>

> Since ?Ask? and ?Answer? dialog boxes come up too slow how can I mimic
> those boxes without using those commands? I?m using Mac OSX if it
> matters.

I once asked this as well as was told that the slowness is not present in
standalones, only in the IDE.  Might be worth testing on your end if your
final project is a standalone.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Sun May 20 13:16:44 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:16:44 +0100
Subject: How do I mimic dialog boxes?
In-Reply-To: <bea.111b5898.3381cfca@aol.com>
References: <bea.111b5898.3381cfca@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4650827C.4000201@harbourhosting.co.uk>

LunchnMeets at aol.com wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> Since ?Ask? and ?Answer? dialog boxes come up too slow how can I mimic 
> those boxes without using those commands? I?m using Mac OSX if it matters.
> 
> Joe in Orlando Florida
> 

These are both ordinary stacks that are opened as modal. There's no big 
secret to it other than that. You have to arrange to pass any needed 
parameters before you open it, and to receive back the user's input.

The built in ones are convenient but, IMO it is worth taking the time to 
roll your own, it gives you more control.

see the docs for modal and dialogdata

Of course if your problem is related in some way to the modal command 
itself, that won't help, but perhaps it is caused by something specific 
to rev's own ask and answer dialogs. In that case making your own could 
solve it.

Martin Baxter



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 20 13:40:28 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 10:40:28 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <EEB5506C-645D-4B2F-9FFD-36F067960FE4@siphonophore.com>
References: <20070520123523.B619F489294@mail.runrev.com>
	<EEB5506C-645D-4B2F-9FFD-36F067960FE4@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <18859877419.20070520104028@ahsoftware.net>

Jeff-

Sunday, May 20, 2007, 7:51:21 AM, you wrote:

> find out if the classic is really dead at 2.6.1 or if there is going

(not trying to single you out in particular, but...)

I confess to not having read most of the posts in this discussion, not
having a driving interest in this subject, but I'm a bit mystified
about why people expect a new Classic version.

The web site no longer mentions an upcoming version and the installer
talks about deploying for various platforms, not one of which is
Classic. The 2.61 Classic build *is* available for download. That's
far from "dead" if you need to go that route.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sun May 20 13:57:49 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:57:49 +0100 (BST)
Subject: An apology!
Message-ID: <912005.49371.qm@web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I would like to apologise for spelling:

"sesquipedalian" wrongly!

Please show your appreciation of my full and frank
apology by using "sesquipedalian" as often as possible
in all forms of communication :)

Love and muffled noises, Richmond Mathewson

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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun May 20 14:05:40 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 11:05:40 -0700
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
In-Reply-To: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop>
References: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <17761388602.20070520110540@ahsoftware.net>

Camm29-

Sunday, May 20, 2007, 9:09:14 AM, you wrote:

>  have posted this topic before and reported a bug 4927 !

Yes you have. Not sure why you're posting this again.
And I see you mean 4972.
And by the way, "Hangs PC, cannot End Program, Power down only Option"
is not a very useful bug summary.

> Before anybody gets excited it's just a Virtual RS232 Com Port

There's no "just" when you're talking about a virtual driver. Unless
it's something you've written yourself, you're talking to a black box
that's pretending to be a COM port. That's quite different from the
real thing.

>From looking at your bug report,

Open Driver "COM5:"
Write "Hello" & eol to Driver "COM5:"
Read from Driver "COM5:"
Close Driver "COM5:"

1. You're not specifying an open mode. You need "update" here. I'm not
sure what the default mode is, but I wouldn't expect both read and
write to work unless I was explicit about this.

2. You're not checking for errors. Did the "open" work? Did the
"write" work?

3. The "read" command allows you to specify a timeout in case
something goes wrong. You're not specifying one.

4. Do you really mean "only option is Reboot!"? You can't even bring
up the task manager to kill the process?

>IT ONLY FAILS WITH REVOLUTION APPLICATIONS  !!!!
>I'm stuffed until this is fixed.

If you've got this working in C, why not just make a shim function as
a C external and call that? Seems like the easy way out if you can't
figure out how to make the rev calls work...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mark at maseurope.net  Sun May 20 14:19:46 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 19:19:46 +0100
Subject: An apology!
In-Reply-To: <912005.49371.qm@web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <912005.49371.qm@web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E4578E1E-BB30-418A-9B18-77466B444D7F@maseurope.net>

Actually, I think you might also apologise for the redundancy in your  
original post:

>  wrote a long, and fairly sesquedepelian

Outside of chemistry (where it indicates a ratio of 3 to 2),  
sesquipidalian simply means 'long', from the Latin for 'a foot and a  
half'.

:)

Best,

Mark


On 20 May 2007, at 18:57, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I would like to apologise for spelling:
>
> "sesquipedalian" wrongly!
>
> Please show your appreciation of my full and frank
> apology by using "sesquipedalian" as often as possible
> in all forms of communication :)
>
> Love and muffled noises, Richmond Mathewson
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development  
> Life Cycle.
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>
>
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From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 20 14:20:20 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 19:20:20 +0100
Subject: Debugger fixes bug - expert advise needed!
In-Reply-To: <77525167-CA0F-4A0A-8C16-F3C946631C85@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705200525y4aa03b95i8088b851497bc481@mail.gmail.com>
	<77525167-CA0F-4A0A-8C16-F3C946631C85@sosmartsoftware.com>
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Yes it contains the long id.

I always put the long id into a variable and use that for references. I
store references differently so the moving folders on the hard disk does not
change things.


From Camm29 at tesco.net  Sun May 20 14:36:07 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 19:36:07 +0100
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
References: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<17761388602.20070520110540@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <000401c79b0d$c2ffe9a0$0a01a8c0@workshop>

Mark , Thank you for a reply !


>> 1. You're not specifying an open mode. You need "update" here. I'm not
>> sure what the default mode is, but I wouldn't expect both read and
>> write to work unless I was explicit about this.

I thought update was the default , its works fine normally !
I will  try though !

>> 2. You're not checking for errors. Did the "open" work? Did the
>> "write" work?

On my script , open works and write , hangs pc on read i think !
On Sarah's script it hangs pc on Open !


>>>3. The "read" command allows you to specify a timeout in case
>>> something goes wrong. You're not specifying one.

I do have a timeout in reality , makes no difference !!!


>> 4. Do you really mean "only option is Reboot!"? You can't even bring
>> up the task manager to kill the process?

You bet ! no ctrl break , no task manager kill process , no nothing !!!
Only Reboot for my script and Sarah's !!


>IT ONLY FAILS WITH REVOLUTION APPLICATIONS  !!!!
>I'm stuffed until this is fixed.

>>> If you've got this working in C, why not just make a shim function as
>>> a C external and call that? Seems like the easy way out if you can't
>>> figure out how to make the rev calls work...

Well , that's why i use Rev , so i don't have to program in C any more.
What I mean in "C" based programs are programs like Hyperterminal and other
third party
Serial Port Monitors.
These all work perfect with the Virtual Device/Driver , so as far as
pretending to be a Com Port
it's okay on all programs except REV !!

I think it's a Rev issue that needs addressing URGENTLY !!

Best Regards
Camm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate


> Camm29-
>
> Sunday, May 20, 2007, 9:09:14 AM, you wrote:
>
> >  have posted this topic before and reported a bug 4927 !
>
> Yes you have. Not sure why you're posting this again.
> And I see you mean 4972.
> And by the way, "Hangs PC, cannot End Program, Power down only Option"
> is not a very useful bug summary.
>
> > Before anybody gets excited it's just a Virtual RS232 Com Port
>
> There's no "just" when you're talking about a virtual driver. Unless
> it's something you've written yourself, you're talking to a black box
> that's pretending to be a COM port. That's quite different from the
> real thing.
>
> >From looking at your bug report,
>
> Open Driver "COM5:"
> Write "Hello" & eol to Driver "COM5:"
> Read from Driver "COM5:"
> Close Driver "COM5:"
>
> 1. You're not specifying an open mode. You need "update" here. I'm not
> sure what the default mode is, but I wouldn't expect both read and
> write to work unless I was explicit about this.
>
> 2. You're not checking for errors. Did the "open" work? Did the
> "write" work?
>
> 3. The "read" command allows you to specify a timeout in case
> something goes wrong. You're not specifying one.
>
> 4. Do you really mean "only option is Reboot!"? You can't even bring
> up the task manager to kill the process?
>
> >IT ONLY FAILS WITH REVOLUTION APPLICATIONS  !!!!
> >I'm stuffed until this is fixed.
>
> If you've got this working in C, why not just make a shim function as
> a C external and call that? Seems like the easy way out if you can't
> figure out how to make the rev calls work...
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun May 20 14:51:48 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:51:48 -0500
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <46507D60.1000101@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <46507D60.1000101@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <465098C4.109@hyperactivesw.com>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> The detailed-files function of Rev appears to be extremely "buggy", and 
> the Rev team should take a close look both at the function itself and 
> the corresponding information in the docs.

I can't reproduce any problems with it at all. Here is a test I did. 
Create a stack with a single field and one button. The button script:

on mouseUp
   answer folder "Choose a folder:"
   set the directory to it
   put the detailed files into fld 1
   repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in in fld 1
     get item 4 of line x of fld 1
     convert it to short date and time
     put it into item 4 of line x of fld 1
     get item 5 of line x of fld 1
     convert it to short date and time
     put it into item 5 of line x of fld 1
   end repeat
end mouseUp

This will give you a list of detailed files with the creation and 
modification dates converted so they are easier to read.

I ran this script on several folders in OS X and then compared the 
results in the field to the info the Finder gives me when I "get info" 
on each file. The creation and modification dates and times matched 
exactly in all cases.

Some of the files had been copied to my hard drive from another volume. 
Those files showed a creation date that was the day I copied them, not 
the day of their original creation on the original volume. The OS does 
that. But in all cases, the "detailed files" always returned the same 
results that the Finder gives in its "Get Info" information.

Then I opened the same stack in WinXP and got identical results. The 
creation and modification dates on each file matched the ones given in 
the Properties dialog for each file. A few files -- which had been 
copied from a Mac volume to Windows -- gave strange dates where the 
modification date was earlier than the creation date. But when I looked 
at the Properties for those files in WinXP, Windows listed the same odd 
dates in its dialogs.

This seems to show that that Rev is retrieving the information from the 
OS, as expected, and that any unusual results are due to the OS rather 
than to Revolution.

Do you get similar results if you run the above script?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sun May 20 15:16:08 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:16:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: An apology!
Message-ID: <20070520191608.26874.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mark Smith wrote:

"Actually, I think you might also apologise for the
redundancy in your original post:

>  wrote a long, and fairly sesquedepelian

Outside of chemistry (where it indicates a ratio of 3
to 2), sesquipidalian simply means 'long', from the
Latin for 'a foot and a half'."

I, of course :) need to make no further apologies
because I was unable to ascertain, when Joel was
writing, whether he adhered to the English or the
Roman foot. As a Scot I adhere to neither and
naturally favour the Scots Ell.

I did, however, use "sesquidepelian" its more modern
meaning of:

polysyllabic

Now you will have to accept that a text can be long
and not polysyllabic (some folk I know talk at length
in monosyllables), short and polysyllabic, or both
long and polysyllabic. 

Go and read Lewis Carroll's 'Alice' :

http://www.sundials.org/about/humpty.htm

and have a jolly good Sunday night.

Love and more muffled noises, Richmond Mathewson

However as I acknowledge His Majesty King Francis II,
King of Scots as my monarch:

http://www.defendersofscotland.org/monarch.htm

and he is a direct descendent of Pharaoh Akhenkeres of
Egypt I may find myself obliged to use cubits :)

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From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 20 15:18:13 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:18:13 +0100
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <0E8FF4A3-E315-437C-B374-943E81BFF492@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705200535h2d683a0bu8912d8afde34a593@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E8FF4A3-E315-437C-B374-943E81BFF492@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705201218v56f6fb57ma4cb344727a047e4@mail.gmail.com>

I just did a test and unfortunately I cannot use them as I need to have
multiple copies of the same template on the same card - the syntax btn id
6000000 of group 1 does not work for altids :(

On 20/05/07, Eric Chatonet <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> AltID works perfectly as long as there is not yet another object with
> this ID:
> Then always choose very high altIDs to avoid conflicts:
>
> Set the altID of btn ID 1011 to 600000
> put the long ID of btn ID 600000
> > button id 1011 of card id 1002 of stack <stack path>
> :-)
>
> Le 20 mai 07 ? 14:35, David Bovill a ?crit :
>
> > Has anyone got extensive experience of using altID? I am thinking
> > of using
> > it - but not sure exactly how.
> >
> > The scenario I have is to do with a library of components that get
> > copied
> > all over the place, replace each other and need a good way of
> > referring to
> > each other and their library equivalents. I cant to use ids as they
> > change
> > when copied. I can't use names, because there may be other controls
> > of the
> > same name, and i want to be able to rename them without affecting
> > anything,
> > so... can I use altIDs?
> >
> > For a while now I have been using custom properties like:
> >
> > getprop title_Field
> >  return the long id of fld "Title" of me
> > end title_Field
> >
> > Which works very well - put the title_Field of group "Outline" works.
> > Renaming can be handled using a look-up in the custom property and
> > trapping
> > for the nameChanged message. The script is nicely organised as
> > there is only
> > one place where a control is referred to.
> >
> > That said could I be using altIDs or another technique?
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
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From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Sun May 20 15:47:22 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:47:22 +0100
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <18859877419.20070520104028@ahsoftware.net>
References: <20070520123523.B619F489294@mail.runrev.com>	<EEB5506C-645D-4B2F-9FFD-36F067960FE4@siphonophore.com>
	<18859877419.20070520104028@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <4650A5CA.80908@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Jeff-
> 
> Sunday, May 20, 2007, 7:51:21 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> find out if the classic is really dead at 2.6.1 or if there is going
> 
> (not trying to single you out in particular, but...)
> 
> I confess to not having read most of the posts in this discussion, not
> having a driving interest in this subject, but I'm a bit mystified
> about why people expect a new Classic version.
> 
> The web site no longer mentions an upcoming version and the installer
> talks about deploying for various platforms, not one of which is
> Classic. The 2.61 Classic build *is* available for download. That's
> far from "dead" if you need to go that route.
> 

By Jingo you're right. I wonder when that was removed. Did anybody ever 
get a notification? Steve Jobs and the famous B******T remark comes to 
mind for some reason.

Martin Baxter


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun May 20 16:17:21 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:17:21 +0200
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705201218v56f6fb57ma4cb344727a047e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705200535h2d683a0bu8912d8afde34a593@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E8FF4A3-E315-437C-B374-943E81BFF492@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<c1c5836b0705201218v56f6fb57ma4cb344727a047e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB6DD586-705F-419B-BD51-E5677C76A03C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi David,

I thought that alt IDs could be set in the same range than IDs.
Actually, it seems that altIDs can be set higher than 2^16 (65535).
If you respect this limit, it works well.
Sorry for my wrong example.

Le 20 mai 07 ? 21:18, David Bovill a ?crit :

> I just did a test and unfortunately I cannot use them as I need to  
> have
> multiple copies of the same template on the same card - the syntax  
> btn id
> 6000000 of group 1 does not work for altids :(

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun May 20 16:20:41 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:20:41 +0200
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <CB6DD586-705F-419B-BD51-E5677C76A03C@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705200535h2d683a0bu8912d8afde34a593@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E8FF4A3-E315-437C-B374-943E81BFF492@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<c1c5836b0705201218v56f6fb57ma4cb344727a047e4@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB6DD586-705F-419B-BD51-E5677C76A03C@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <44109562-3E2A-4894-A807-E9A00195C222@sosmartsoftware.com>

Sorry for the typo:
Actually, it seems that altIDs CAN'T be set higher than 2^16 (65535).

Le 20 mai 07 ? 22:17, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Hi David,
>
> I thought that alt IDs could be set in the same range than IDs.
> Actually, it seems that altIDs can be set higher than 2^16 (65535).
> If you respect this limit, it works well.
> Sorry for my wrong example.
>
> Le 20 mai 07 ? 21:18, David Bovill a ?crit :
>
>> I just did a test and unfortunately I cannot use them as I need to  
>> have
>> multiple copies of the same template on the same card - the syntax  
>> btn id
>> 6000000 of group 1 does not work for altids :(


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sun May 20 17:41:57 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:41:57 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <4650C0A5.4010706@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

J. Landman Gay jacque at hyperactivesw.com  wrote today:

 >Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
 >
 >> The detailed-files function of Rev appears to be extremely "buggy", and
 >> the Rev team should take a close look both at the function itself and
 >> the corresponding information in the docs.
 >
 >I can't reproduce any problems with it at all. Here is a test I did.
 >Create a stack with a single field and one button. The button script:
 >
 >on mouseUp
 >   answer folder "Choose a folder:"
 >   set the directory to it
 >   put the detailed files into fld 1
 >   repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in in fld 1
 >     get item 4 of line x of fld 1
 >     convert it to short date and time
 >     put it into item 4 of line x of fld 1
 >     get item 5 of line x of fld 1
 >     convert it to short date and time
 >     put it into item 5 of line x of fld 1
 >   end repeat
 >end mouseUp
 >
 >This will give you a list of detailed files with the creation and
 >modification dates converted so they are easier to read.
 >
 >(snip)
 >
 >Then I opened the same stack in WinXP and got identical results. The
 >creation and modification dates on each file matched the ones given in
 >the Properties dialog for each file. A few files -- which had been
 >copied from a Mac volume to Windows -- gave strange dates where the
 >modification date was earlier than the creation date. But when I looked
 >at the Properties for those files in WinXP, Windows listed the same odd
 >dates in its dialogs.
 >
 >This seems to show that that Rev is retrieving the information from the
 >OS, as expected, and that any unusual results are due to the OS rather
 >than to Revolution.
 >
 >Do you get similar results if you run the above script?

Nope, I am sorry.

I do not rule out that the OS data and the detailed files data might 
match under circumstances I cannot define.

The results I get here using your script are exactly the same as with my 
slightly different script (Indeed I had hoped that it could be a script 
issue  - in which case the syntactic recommendations of the docs how to 
convert the items of the detailed files would have been in question)

For the folder I mentioned in my last post - where the WindowsXP OS 
information clearly shows different dates for modification and creation 
- with your script I get the same results as before: Only the 
modification date is shown both in item 4 and item 5 of the detailed files.

For the "M" - modified - and "O" images - not modified - on MacOS I also 
get the same results as before:

Item 4 displays the mentioned phantastic date of "Jan 18, 2038" - which 
is probably the USB-stick transfer date - in item 5  with image "M" the 
"imported" date "May 19" is shown, while the iTunes data show "March 4 " 
as the creation date. For image "O" - the not-modified image - item 4 
shows "Jan 18, 2038" and item 5 "March 4", not using here the "imported" 
date "March 19" of  iTunes.-

Maybe my two main computers are infected with a special "detailed-files 
virus". If this is not the case then I have to repeat my statements that

The detailed-files function of Rev appears to be extremely "buggy", and 
the Rev team should take a close look both at the function itself and 
the corresponding information in the docs.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>





From hershf at rgllc.us  Sun May 20 17:43:26 2007
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 17:43:26 -0400
Subject: Externals databasse
In-Reply-To: <C8FE31E8-DB57-47F1-A8A5-BCEFAB46AB72@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C276393E.2876%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 5/18/07 6:35 AM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:

> Hiya,
> 
> Did you do a fresh install or an update from the 'Help/Check for
> Updates' menu?

Yes, I'll try to fresh download.
Thanks, Hershel
> I noticed some of the folders got re-jigged.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 
> On 17 May 2007, at 23:48, Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could
>> connect to
>> a database in a standalone (postgres in my case) is by manually
>> coping the
>> standalone database library from version 2.7 into the database
>> external
>> folder of the standalone application.
>> Thank you,
>> Hershel
>> 
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From hershf at rgllc.us  Sun May 20 17:43:59 2007
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 17:43:59 -0400
Subject: Externals databasse
In-Reply-To: <EF008CA5-1CC1-42F0-AEF9-35EE0F3C753F@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <C276395F.2877%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 5/18/07 4:52 AM, "Klaus Major" <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:

> 
> Am 18.05.2007 um 00:48 schrieb Hershel Fisch:
> 
>> Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could
>> connect to
>> a database in a standalone (postgres in my case) is by manually
>> coping the
>> standalone database library from version 2.7 into the database
>> external
>> folder of the standalone application.
> 
> Hmmm, maybe because the standalone builder did not copy these
> externals to your standalone?
> 
> 
> 
> :-)
> 
> This has been fixed for 2.8.1.
That?s exactly where I have the problems.
Hershel
> 
>> Thank you,
>> Hershel
> 
> Best
> 
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
> 
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From scott at cdroo.com  Sun May 20 17:53:06 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 07:53:06 +1000
Subject: altID
References: <c1c5836b0705200535h2d683a0bu8912d8afde34a593@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005501c79b29$421bc8b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

David,  apologies, but  I answered thinking we were on the same page and we 
were not.  I was referring to Alt ID which is a totally different thing and 
is a product from Altuit.  Sorry to waste your time.

Scott Kane
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a 
little way past them into the impossible."
Arthur C Clarke 



From hershf at rgllc.us  Sun May 20 18:23:15 2007
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:23:15 -0400
Subject: Externals databasse
In-Reply-To: <C8FE31E8-DB57-47F1-A8A5-BCEFAB46AB72@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C2764293.287A%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 5/18/07 6:35 AM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:

Down loaded a clean new download 2.8.1 and it doesn't work. The most
interesting thing is that the report it gives that it doesn't find the
oracle and the valentina driver and the postgres doesn?t work.
Hershel

> Hiya,
> 
> Did you do a fresh install or an update from the 'Help/Check for
> Updates' menu?
> I noticed some of the folders got re-jigged.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 
> On 17 May 2007, at 23:48, Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could
>> connect to
>> a database in a standalone (postgres in my case) is by manually
>> coping the
>> standalone database library from version 2.7 into the database
>> external
>> folder of the standalone application.
>> Thank you,
>> Hershel
>> 
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun May 20 18:43:24 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:43:24 +0100
Subject: An apology!
In-Reply-To: <20070520191608.26874.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070520191608.26874.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <22F833BE-3CA4-4D44-ADF9-66A44A02571A@maseurope.net>


On 20 May 2007, at 20:16, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>

> I did, however, use "sesquidepelian" its more modern
> meaning of:
>
> polysyllabic
>
> Now you will have to accept that a text can be long
> and not polysyllabic (some folk I know talk at length
> in monosyllables), short and polysyllabic, or both
> long and polysyllabic.
>
> Go and read Lewis Carroll's 'Alice' :
>
> http://www.sundials.org/about/humpty.htm
>
> and have a jolly good Sunday night.

Fair point. And a good night to you, too.

Mark

This small text is all monosyllabic...damn!


From shari at gypsyware.com  Sun May 20 18:54:12 2007
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:54:12 -0400
Subject: VirtualStore location
In-Reply-To: <20070520163711441763.bcc582d5@sonsothunder.com>
References: <a06020400c2723fdfc0fe@[192.168.2.38]>
	<20070520163711441763.bcc582d5@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <a06020400c27681e6e50a@[192.168.2.38]>

>Not that I'm aware of, Shari... I posted all the Vista special folder
>paths at my site:
>http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/file010.htm
>
>You could use specialFolderPath(28) and then append the
>VirtualStore/.../... folder path after it.

That's worth a try.  Thanks.  I think this is a good one for the 
Feature Request list :-)

Shari
-- 
Gypsy King games for
MAC and WlND0WS
http://www.gypsyware.com


From rjearp at hotmail.com  Sun May 20 19:08:24 2007
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 16:08:24 -0700
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
Message-ID: <BAY106-W213C2E78AB9AB291F86492D1300@phx.gbl>

Cam,Unfortunately I cannot answer your question but I am monitoring your post as I too am VERY interested in  communicating from Rev.  Specifically, I'm building aircraft cabin simulators using a PLC for the basic control and wishing to use Rev to design an instructors interface (and editor) on either a OSX or Windoze platform.  What I need to do is communicate bi-directionally with the PLC via Ethernet. If I hear of anything interesting I'll let you know.best, Bob...~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Message: 12Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 17:09:14 +0100From: "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net>Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to CommunicateTo: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>Message-ID: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0 at workshop>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"  have posted this topic before and reported a bug 4927 ! Just an update ,  I tried Sarah's SerialTest.rev as well , this hung the PC on pressing the Open Port Button.Again , the only way out was to reboot the PC !   Running Windows XPUsing IVT BlueSoleil (USB to Bluetooth Adapter) Before anybody gets excited it's just a Virtual RS232 Com Port and works great with " C " written programswithout Revolution's Engine. IT ONLY FAILS WITH REVOLUTION APPLICATIONS  !!!! I'm stuffed until this is fixed. Help anybody ? It's seems there's a serious lack of Knowledge or Interest on Rev 's Communication I/O Engine at present ! Best RegardsCamm
_________________________________________________________________
News, entertainment and everything you care about at Live.com. Get it now!
http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx

From wjm at wjm.org  Sun May 20 20:10:49 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:10:49 -0400
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
References: <BAY106-W213C2E78AB9AB291F86492D1300@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <f2qo3d$64b$1@sea.gmane.org>

Exchanging packets over Ethernet is likely to be a completely different 
animal than sending bits to a virtual serial device.

>>>
Specifically, I'm building aircraft cabin simulators using a PLC for the 
basic control and wishing to use Rev to design an instructors interface (and 
editor) on either a OSX or Windoze platform.  What I need to do is 
communicate bi-directionally with the PLC via Ethernet.
<<<





From martinblackman at gmail.com  Sun May 20 21:17:37 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 09:17:37 +0800
Subject: exporting snapshot with cursor visible?
In-Reply-To: <148796E7-4F34-4B83-B5A2-B3B33F93ACBB@net2000.ch>
References: <20070518234725.66003489517@mail.runrev.com>
	<148796E7-4F34-4B83-B5A2-B3B33F93ACBB@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70705201817m448bdf14n543b1a448d5142e9@mail.gmail.com>

You could use the free program 'screenhunter' from www.wisdom-soft.com

On 19/05/07, Joel Guillod <joel.guillod at net2000.ch> wrote:
> is there a way to make the cursor visible on the image with the
> <export snapshot with rect> command?
>
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From martinblackman at gmail.com  Sun May 20 21:19:15 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 09:19:15 +0800
Subject: VirtualStore location
In-Reply-To: <a06020400c27681e6e50a@192.168.2.38>
References: <a06020400c2723fdfc0fe@192.168.2.38>
	<20070520163711441763.bcc582d5@sonsothunder.com>
	<a06020400c27681e6e50a@192.168.2.38>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70705201819v3dca1ba4w7bc9048d5ba700b8@mail.gmail.com>

You try and write there and it will probably get put into the virtual
virtual folder :)

> >
> >You could use specialFolderPath(28) and then append the
> >VirtualStore/.../... folder path after it.
>


From scott at cdroo.com  Sun May 20 21:38:19 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:38:19 +1000
Subject: VirtualStore location
References: <a06020400c2723fdfc0fe@[192.168.2.38]><20070520163711441763.bcc582d5@sonsothunder.com>
	<a06020400c27681e6e50a@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <000e01c79b48$b82aed00$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Shari" <shari at gypsyware.com>

> That's worth a try.  Thanks.  I think this is a good one for the Feature 
> Request list :-)

Actually....   It's a can of worms.  AFAIKT if a user has UAC turned on the 
virtual storage will activate.  If the user turns UAC off they can no longer 
get the reference to the file.  If they then turn UAC back on they get an 
entirely different virtual storage file.  Micro$oft provide the virtual 
storage purely for legacy software so it doesn't "break".  However it is a 
band aid and there are no guarantees it will be there in future Windows 
versions.  Better to use the designated folders such as provided by the 
SpecialFolderPath function.  Even writing to the root directory 
(C:\MyProgramsName) is no longer recommended as it is suggested it is the 
next place Microsoft will "lock down".    This is the price we Windows users 
pay for using a system that was never designed to be secure.

Scott Kane
"In painting a tiger you can paint the skin, but not the bones."  Confucius 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun May 20 22:04:36 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 21:04:36 -0500
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <4650C0A5.4010706@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4650C0A5.4010706@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <4650FE34.4030309@hyperactivesw.com>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> 
> The results I get here using your script are exactly the same as with my 
> slightly different script 

I think we need to find out why we're getting different results. A 
search in bugzilla gives two related bugs, both now fixed:

4293 The detailed files doesn't return correct creation date f...
4474 Detailed Files Always Returns 0 for Last Modified and 000...

The first one involves only files with long file names on OS X. The 
second doesn't match your results (you aren't getting 0, you are getting 
real dates.) But maybe you could read these two and see if either apply 
to your situation.

My own results are correct in both XP and OS X, so I don't know what 
else to say. It would be great if others could do some checking. Maybe 
that would give us a clue what the differences are between your results 
and mine. There isn't much to go on so far.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun May 20 22:20:32 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:20:32 +0800
Subject: "Easy to use"
In-Reply-To: <4650284D.4010508@harbourhosting.co.uk>
References: <671938.77203.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4650284D.4010508@harbourhosting.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f73a98160705201920u46495bdax5aecfb129d9c8341@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/20/07, Martin Baxter <mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Marketing World can promise you your dreams*.



Vote for Pedro ;-)


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun May 20 23:32:30 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:32:30 +0800
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <4650A5CA.80908@harbourhosting.co.uk>
References: <20070520123523.B619F489294@mail.runrev.com>
	<EEB5506C-645D-4B2F-9FFD-36F067960FE4@siphonophore.com>
	<18859877419.20070520104028@ahsoftware.net>
	<4650A5CA.80908@harbourhosting.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f73a98160705202032v6cb6e7fbxa806cce973c7455a@mail.gmail.com>

The month of May must be the 'death of OS9'  month as I notice at this time
last year there was a thread entitled 'The End of OS9 Development'. Back
then I offered my own prediction of when OS9 Development would cease and I
offer it again, updated:

<q>
As one who is constantly amazed at the continual flow of HyperCard refugees
that popup on this list I provide my own calculation of when the death of
OS9 will be:

When you see the last reference on this list of someone who is looking for a
HC alternative or 'converting' a HC stack then punch the stop watch. Then
count the years,days and minutes to the last HC release - 1995 some time I
think.

With the result, add it to some time in 2002 - the year the QuickSilver G4's
came out. The early ones came with OS9, the later ones came with OSX.

So no earlier than 2014 if today was the last HC reference day.

</q>

Actually the last person seeking assistance with HC conversion only happened
in Apr07 :-)

On a slight tangent I notice Dan Shafer posted some opinions on the topic
back then - I haven't seen Dan on the list for quite some time.... Is he OK?


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 00:39:13 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 21:39:13 -0700
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <4650FE34.4030309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C2767081.463F6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I have little experience with virus systems or other defenses against
macros, but could it be possible that files may be 'quarantined' or marked
or symbolized in such a way that a security system might interfere with file
info?

Wilhelm: if you run an Applescript that gets the same info during the same
handler, does this return the matching value?

I wrote these in about 30 minutes so you might want to refine them to do a
better job (they work on my OSX)

You need to have the front window in the Finder showing the folder of files
you want.  This list will include folders and show the flag as the last col.

----- start copy here > paste into a Rev field "asScriptModDates"
try
    tell application "Finder" to set the source_folder to (folder of the
front window) as alias
on error -- no open folder windows
    set the source_folder to path to desktop folder as alias
end try

set the item_list to list folder source_folder without invisibles
set source_folder to source_folder as string --conversion
set outputList to {}
repeat with i from 1 to number of items in the item_list
    set this_item to item i of the item_list
    set this_item to (source_folder & this_item) as alias
    set this_info to info for this_item
    
    copy "NewLine" to end of outputList
    copy the name of this_info to end of outputList
    copy the creation date of this_info to end of outputList
    copy the modification date of this_info to end of outputList
    copy the folder of this_info to end of outputList
    
end repeat
return outputList
-------------------- end copy of Applescript

run this handler to get the dates into columns
------ start copy here > paste into stack script
on mousedoubleup
  set the cursor to busy
  put fld "asScriptModDates" into cmd
  do cmd as applescript
  put the result into ans
  put char 2 to -2 of ans into ans
  put quote into q
  put comma into c
  replace (q&"NewLine") with cr in ans
  replace (q&c) with tab in ans
  replace ("date "&q) with empty in ans
  replace (tab &" "&q) with empty in ans

  put ans into msg
  set the clipboarddata to ans
  --now paste into Excel to see in columns
end mousedoubleup
---------- end copy

Hope this helps dial in on the inaccuracies.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 5/20/07 7:04 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
> 
>> 
>> The results I get here using your script are exactly the same as with my
>> slightly different script
> 
> I think we need to find out why we're getting different results. A
> search in bugzilla gives two related bugs, both now fixed:
> 
> 4293 The detailed files doesn't return correct creation date f...
> 4474 Detailed Files Always Returns 0 for Last Modified and 000...
> 
> The first one involves only files with long file names on OS X. The
> second doesn't match your results (you aren't getting 0, you are getting
> real dates.) But maybe you could read these two and see if either apply
> to your situation.
> 
> My own results are correct in both XP and OS X, so I don't know what
> else to say. It would be great if others could do some checking. Maybe
> that would give us a clue what the differences are between your results
> and mine. There isn't much to go on so far.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 21 01:07:55 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 00:07:55 -0500
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <C2767081.463F6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2767081.463F6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4651292B.80504@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Ault wrote:
> I have little experience with virus systems or other defenses against
> macros, but could it be possible that files may be 'quarantined' or marked
> or symbolized in such a way that a security system might interfere with file
> info?
> 
> Wilhelm: if you run an Applescript that gets the same info during the same
> handler, does this return the matching value?

Jim, would you be willing to run the script I wrote to see what results 
you get on your own machine? (Or anyone else?) This thing has me curious 
now. Does the output of the detailed files on your Mac match what the 
Finder says?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon May 21 01:11:12 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:11:12 -0700
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
In-Reply-To: <000401c79b0d$c2ffe9a0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
References: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<17761388602.20070520110540@ahsoftware.net>
	<000401c79b0d$c2ffe9a0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <61101320931.20070520221112@ahsoftware.net>

Camm29-

Sunday, May 20, 2007, 11:36:07 AM, you wrote:

>>> 4. Do you really mean "only option is Reboot!"? You can't even bring
>>> up the task manager to kill the process?

> You bet ! no ctrl break , no task manager kill process , no nothing !!!
> Only Reboot for my script and Sarah's !!

Yikes!

> I think it's a Rev issue that needs addressing URGENTLY !!

Could well be that you've found something here. It's been a little
while since I've had to fiddle with the serial ports. Last thing I
remember was filing bug #1703, giving up on rev, and coding in C.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 01:39:54 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:39:54 -0700
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
In-Reply-To: <61101320931.20070520221112@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C2767EBA.463FC%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Can't you open the app " Activity Monitor" in the utilities folder before
encountering the crash and perhaps get an idea of what happens/doesn't ?

Certainly outside my area of expertise.

Jim Ault


On 5/20/07 10:11 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:

> Camm29-
> 
> Sunday, May 20, 2007, 11:36:07 AM, you wrote:
> 
>>>> 4. Do you really mean "only option is Reboot!"? You can't even bring
>>>> up the task manager to kill the process?
> 
>> You bet ! no ctrl break , no task manager kill process , no nothing !!!
>> Only Reboot for my script and Sarah's !!
> 
> Yikes!
> 
>> I think it's a Rev issue that needs addressing URGENTLY !!
> 
> Could well be that you've found something here. It's been a little
> while since I've had to fiddle with the serial ports. Last thing I
> remember was filing bug #1703, giving up on rev, and coding in C.




From mark at maseurope.net  Mon May 21 03:51:03 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:51:03 +0100
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <4650FE34.4030309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4650C0A5.4010706@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<4650FE34.4030309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0E15B81B-390E-4D8B-80EF-AA124CB500F8@maseurope.net>

Ran the script here, on Mac 10.4.9, Rev 2.8.1 - all detailed files  
info matched the finder....


Best,

Mark

On 21 May 2007, at 03:04, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
>
>> The results I get here using your script are exactly the same as  
>> with my slightly different script
>
> I think we need to find out why we're getting different results. A  
> search in bugzilla gives two related bugs, both now fixed:
>
> 4293 The detailed files doesn't return correct creation date f...
> 4474 Detailed Files Always Returns 0 for Last Modified and 000...
>
> The first one involves only files with long file names on OS X. The  
> second doesn't match your results (you aren't getting 0, you are  
> getting real dates.) But maybe you could read these two and see if  
> either apply to your situation.
>
> My own results are correct in both XP and OS X, so I don't know  
> what else to say. It would be great if others could do some  
> checking. Maybe that would give us a clue what the differences are  
> between your results and mine. There isn't much to go on so far.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon May 21 04:01:08 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:01:08 +0200
Subject: Where is the difference with Umlaute on Win versus Mac?
Message-ID: <002001c79b7e$31937380$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello,

I am a little puzzled, but probably it's a Rev beginner question.

I have text fields with german text, including Umlaute and "sz". On Win (IDE
and standalone) everything looks quite normal with Umlaute. But the
standalone on a Mac doesn't shows the Umlaute and sz. It replaces them with
any special signs.  From Webdesign I know this topic and differences
depending on setting the charset like e.g. charset=iso-8859-1. I know
differences between browsers, etc. but where is the difference between Win
and Mac with showing Character Sets? Can I assign a charset to a field or
something like this? I didn't find anything.
 
Any help appreciated
Tiemo

 

 

 

 



From revolution at jaedworks.com  Mon May 21 04:32:32 2007
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 01:32:32 -0700
Subject: Curse of the mystery tooltip...
In-Reply-To: <BBC1012A-9AD6-4BF1-B914-3EF810EA5100@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <BBC1012A-9AD6-4BF1-B914-3EF810EA5100@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <p06210273c27708ca3fcf@[66.93.39.98]>

At 7:29 PM +0100 5/18/2007, Ian Wood wrote:
>I was flipping between Mail, Safari and Rev 2.8.1, and saw a brief 
>flash of a bizarre tooltip while the cursor was near the vertical 
>scrollbar of a script window:
>
>'Intelligent use of mouseControl' or something similar to that.
>
>Did I just find an Easter egg?


Nope. You had your pointer over the third-from-right button in the 
message box, "Intelligence acts on mouseControl". What it does is 
make property names typed into the message box act on the object 
under the mouse. For example, if you type in "name" and hit 
Return/Enter, the message box tells you the name of the object the 
mouse pointer is over.

The other setting is "Intelligence acts on selectedObject", which 
does what you'd expect.
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon May 21 04:51:49 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 09:51:49 +0100
Subject: Curse of the mystery tooltip...
In-Reply-To: <p06210273c27708ca3fcf@[66.93.39.98]>
References: <BBC1012A-9AD6-4BF1-B914-3EF810EA5100@azurevision.co.uk>
	<p06210273c27708ca3fcf@[66.93.39.98]>
Message-ID: <CC64CB62-16C5-474C-9F6F-4F652198F105@azurevision.co.uk>


On 21 May 2007, at 09:32, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> Nope. You had your pointer over the third-from-right button in the  
> message box, "Intelligence acts on mouseControl". What it does is  
> make property names typed into the message box act on the object  
> under the mouse. For example, if you type in "name" and hit Return/ 
> Enter, the message box tells you the name of the object the mouse  
> pointer is over.
>
> The other setting is "Intelligence acts on selectedObject", which  
> does what you'd expect.

Thanks!

Shows how much I've investigated the buttons on the message box,  
other than single- v. multi-line...

Ian


From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Mon May 21 05:22:33 2007
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:22:33 +0200
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <A5B3F84C-CCA6-4335-971A-2E6BD6AB529C@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <OF4B680141.9E4C892B-ON852572DF.006F0DAC-852572DF.006E21BD@sealedair.com>
	<D14A02DF-D7E3-4D92-B118-03FAEE3F7418@anachreon.co.uk>
	<89A1A917-4F95-4081-AA33-CA6583EECA38@free.fr>
	<A5B3F84C-CCA6-4335-971A-2E6BD6AB529C@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6DFFB25A-1ABF-4F0F-85FA-68333FFF5ED3@free.fr>

Hi,


> Well, that's that theory down the toilet!
> Cheers,
> Luis.

GOOD NEWS !

Did a second try to the Browser Sampler this morning .....
  and now It works !
So, no more crash ( half an hour of intensive Internet navigation )
and did nothing specific consciously to make it work ?????

Regards,
Thierry


>>> Oh Essex 10.4.9
>>>
>>> Judging from Devin Asay's post this may point to a processor  
>>> issue, as his worked ok on an Intel box, whereas Thierry's  
>>> crashed too (assuming PowerPC as he didn't mention otherwise).
>>>
>>
>> I did try on MacBook  ( Intel Core 2 Duo ) / Mac OSX 10.4.9 / 2 GRam
>>
>> Didn't do anything special, only walk through the Demo....
>> and stay playing  with the google link.... but it crashes quite  
>> quickly ( the last 2 pages )
>> Sorry, no time to investigate more precisely  at the moment.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> thierry
>>
>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Luis.
>>>
>>>  Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a  
>>>>> couple
>>>>> of seconds later boom!
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Luis.
>>>>
>>>> On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an  
>>>> error dialog
>>>> that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page,  
>>>> then it loads
>>>> and looks normal. Probably just badly formed javascript.
>>>>
>>>> What platform is experiencing the crash?


From supote.songthammawat at gmail.com  Mon May 21 07:01:51 2007
From: supote.songthammawat at gmail.com (supote songthammawat)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:01:51 +0700
Subject: Can I use runrev (any version) send or receive data from any device
	by USB Com Port?
Message-ID: <680dfa960705210401k33916fcaya5b99ad077b19a06@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Everybody

         I 'd like to know can I use runrev (any version) send or receive
data from any device by USB Com Port. Yes or No? If yes pls suggest or guide
me how to do.

         Thank you very much.


Best Regard,
Supote


From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Mon May 21 08:06:06 2007
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:06:06 EDT
Subject: How do I make the top stack ignore the others?
Message-ID: <d1b.9f431eb.3382e52e@aol.com>

Hi Everyone,

I want to open a smaller sized stack on top of a larger one. This stack needs 
to be dominant so that clicks to the stacks showing underneath are ignored. 
Is there a way to accomplish this?

What I?m trying to accomplish is making a dialog box instead of using the 
built in ask and answer commands.

With that in mind, I also need to know how to make a script delay its 
execution for the input to this custom dialog box.

Joe in Orlando


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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon May 21 08:10:15 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:10:15 +0100
Subject: How do I make the top stack ignore the others?
In-Reply-To: <d1b.9f431eb.3382e52e@aol.com>
References: <d1b.9f431eb.3382e52e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AADE0284-14D6-47B6-8170-6BDFB4092096@azurevision.co.uk>

On 21 May 2007, at 13:06, LunchnMeets at aol.com wrote:

> I want to open a smaller sized stack on top of a larger one. This  
> stack needs
> to be dominant so that clicks to the stacks showing underneath are  
> ignored.
> Is there a way to accomplish this?

modal stack "whatever"

> With that in mind, I also need to know how to make a script delay its
> execution for the input to this custom dialog box.

I'd set a global or a custom property to false in the script, set it  
to true in the modal stack, and then use the form:

wait until gNameoftheprop is true with messages

in the delayed script.

Ian


From Jacques.Hausser at unil.ch  Mon May 21 08:37:42 2007
From: Jacques.Hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:37:42 +0200
Subject: combine by column crashes
Message-ID: <80740FE1-6E21-4F8F-A638-ABD32FFE0F0B@unil.ch>

Hello everybody

2.8.1 new features: I noticed that "combine by column" works only  
when the array variables contain the same number of lines, and no  
empty lines...
if you have an empty line, RunRev simply crashes...
By contrast, "split by column seems" to work OK, even with empty  
cells in the table.
As it is quite frequent to have empty lines (i.e. empty cells in the  
original splitted and then recombined table) "combine by row |  
column" seem far less attractive at second view...
Classical question: it's a bug or a feature ?

Jacques

************************************************
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Department of Ecology and Evolution
Biophore / Sorge (formerly Biology building...)
University of Lausanne
CH - 1015 Lausanne

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From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Mon May 21 10:26:12 2007
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:26:12 -0300
Subject: Decoding a vCard...
In-Reply-To: <96636E7B-4691-402C-BE8A-E2F2AF80E146@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <C2773254.D715%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

I used Mark Weider's archive search but didn't come up with any hits on
vObject or vCard.  Does that search work or is there a better one?  His
looks pretty good... Jim


on 5/20/07 11:31 AM, Mark Smith wrote:

> Andre Garzia made a library for working with vObjects - I'm not sure
> where to find it, but if you search the list archives you should be
> able to find it.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 20 May 2007, at 14:21, Jim Carwardine wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone created a snippet that will decode a vCard?  I'd like to
>> selectively transfer certain contacts from Entourage to an in-house
>> browser-based app... Jim
>> -- 
>> 
>> HiringSmart Canada is a successful international end-to-end human
>> resource
>> support business
>>> providing science-based assessments and productivity tools to
>>> multi-branch
>>> businesses
>>> where each branch, without the help of an HR professional,
>>> attracts, hires and
>>> engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
>> 
>> We Help You Attract, Hire and Keep the Right People.
>> www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca   www.KeepingTheBest.ca
>> 
>> HiringSmart Canada
>> 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
>> Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139
>> 
>> 
>> 
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support business 
> providing science-based assessments and productivity tools to multi-branch
> businesses 
> where each branch, without the help of an HR professional, attracts, hires and
> engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
 
We Help You Attract, Hire and Keep the Right People.
www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca   www.KeepingTheBest.ca

HiringSmart Canada
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Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139






From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon May 21 10:36:30 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:36:30 +0200
Subject: Decoding a vCard...
In-Reply-To: <C2773254.D715%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
References: <C2773254.D715%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <13454561-57F5-4871-888D-C4135226EF80@ezpzapps.com>


On May 21, 2007, at 4:26 PM, Jim Carwardine wrote:

> I used Mark Weider's archive search but didn't come up with any  
> hits on
> vObject or vCard.  Does that search work or is there a better one?   
> His
> looks pretty good... Jim

http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=use-revolution% 
40lists.runrev.com&q=vcard

29 hits on "vcard"



Jim Sims
Custom Software Development
www.EZPZapps.com




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon May 21 11:10:45 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 09:10:45 -0600
Subject: Where is the difference with Umlaute on Win versus Mac?
In-Reply-To: <002001c79b7e$31937380$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <002001c79b7e$31937380$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <C51ABE1A-DBD0-458E-9701-119048424086@byu.edu>


On May 21, 2007, at 2:01 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am a little puzzled, but probably it's a Rev beginner question.
>
> I have text fields with german text, including Umlaute and "sz". On  
> Win (IDE
> and standalone) everything looks quite normal with Umlaute. But the
> standalone on a Mac doesn't shows the Umlaute and sz. It replaces  
> them with
> any special signs.  From Webdesign I know this topic and differences
> depending on setting the charset like e.g. charset=iso-8859-1. I know
> differences between browsers, etc. but where is the difference  
> between Win
> and Mac with showing Character Sets? Can I assign a charset to a  
> field or
> something like this? I didn't find anything.

Tiemo,
There are several ways to approach it. You are right that it is a  
character set issue. Check out the ISOtoMac and MacToISO functions in  
the dictionary. They will allow you to translate upper ASCII  
characters between ISO 8859 and MacRoman character sets.

You could also import UTF8 files into your stack, but this might be  
overkill for what you're doing.

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Mon May 21 11:32:42 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:32:42 +0100
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <6DFFB25A-1ABF-4F0F-85FA-68333FFF5ED3@free.fr>
References: <OF4B680141.9E4C892B-ON852572DF.006F0DAC-852572DF.006E21BD@sealedair.com>
	<D14A02DF-D7E3-4D92-B118-03FAEE3F7418@anachreon.co.uk>
	<89A1A917-4F95-4081-AA33-CA6583EECA38@free.fr>
	<A5B3F84C-CCA6-4335-971A-2E6BD6AB529C@anachreon.co.uk>
	<6DFFB25A-1ABF-4F0F-85FA-68333FFF5ED3@free.fr>
Message-ID: <34658B99-011F-4C9C-9001-F8ADDA86CDB9@anachreon.co.uk>

That's weird. Weird, weird, weird...!

Cheers,

Luis.


On 21 May 2007, at 10:22, Thierry wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>> Well, that's that theory down the toilet!
>> Cheers,
>> Luis.
>
> GOOD NEWS !
>
> Did a second try to the Browser Sampler this morning .....
>  and now It works !
> So, no more crash ( half an hour of intensive Internet navigation )
> and did nothing specific consciously to make it work ?????
>
> Regards,
> Thierry
>
>
>>>> Oh Essex 10.4.9
>>>>
>>>> Judging from Devin Asay's post this may point to a processor  
>>>> issue, as his worked ok on an Intel box, whereas Thierry's  
>>>> crashed too (assuming PowerPC as he didn't mention otherwise).
>>>>
>>>
>>> I did try on MacBook  ( Intel Core 2 Duo ) / Mac OSX 10.4.9 / 2 GRam
>>>
>>> Didn't do anything special, only walk through the Demo....
>>> and stay playing  with the google link.... but it crashes quite  
>>> quickly ( the last 2 pages )
>>> Sorry, no time to investigate more precisely  at the moment.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> thierry
>>>
>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Luis.
>>>>
>>>>  Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a  
>>>>>> couple
>>>>>> of seconds later boom!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Luis.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an  
>>>>> error dialog
>>>>> that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page,  
>>>>> then it loads
>>>>> and looks normal. Probably just badly formed javascript.
>>>>>
>>>>> What platform is experiencing the crash?
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Mon May 21 11:37:19 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:37:19 +0100
Subject: Externals databasse
In-Reply-To: <C2764293.287A%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C2764293.287A%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <FE1249CB-F5D0-416F-829A-3D5B67C0B008@anachreon.co.uk>

I've brought my project into the current build, and I can connect to  
PostgreSQL fine.

Which version of PostgreSQL are you using?
I'm using: http://www.postgresqlformac.com (if you decide to go this  
route, backup your db and uninstall it, then install PostgreSQL for  
Mac).

Have you moved the db? Can you connect to it with any other client?  
Have you changed the port?

Cheers,

Luis.


On 20 May 2007, at 23:23, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> On 5/18/07 6:35 AM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Down loaded a clean new download 2.8.1 and it doesn't work. The most
> interesting thing is that the report it gives that it doesn't find the
> oracle and the valentina driver and the postgres doesn?t work.
> Hershel
>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> Did you do a fresh install or an update from the 'Help/Check for
>> Updates' menu?
>> I noticed some of the folders got re-jigged.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Luis.
>>
>> On 17 May 2007, at 23:48, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could
>>> connect to
>>> a database in a standalone (postgres in my case) is by manually
>>> coping the
>>> standalone database library from version 2.7 into the database
>>> external
>>> folder of the standalone application.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Hershel
>>>
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Mon May 21 11:49:07 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:49:07 -0500
Subject: How do I make the top stack ignore the others?
In-Reply-To: <AADE0284-14D6-47B6-8170-6BDFB4092096@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <d1b.9f431eb.3382e52e@aol.com>
	<AADE0284-14D6-47B6-8170-6BDFB4092096@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4651BF73.8070709@siboneylg.com>

Won't *modal stack "whatever"* pause the current script and wait for the 
modal dialog to be dismissed?   I believe that is how it works, so you 
don't need the global property and wait listed below.

Ian Wood wrote:
> On 21 May 2007, at 13:06, LunchnMeets at aol.com wrote:
>
>> I want to open a smaller sized stack on top of a larger one. This 
>> stack needs
>> to be dominant so that clicks to the stacks showing underneath are 
>> ignored.
>> Is there a way to accomplish this?
>
> modal stack "whatever"
>
>> With that in mind, I also need to know how to make a script delay its
>> execution for the input to this custom dialog box.
>
> I'd set a global or a custom property to false in the script, set it 
> to true in the modal stack, and then use the form:
>
> wait until gNameoftheprop is true with messages
>
> in the delayed script.
>
> Ian
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 11:59:05 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:59:05 -0700
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <C2767081.463F6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C2770FD9.46423%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Improved version of the modification date handler in Rev.

This version will parse and deliver the dates and times in separate columns
to make it easier to do comparisons.  That's all the time I have for now, so
hopefully this will help soomeone track what's happening

--------replace the previous script
on mousedoubleup
  set the cursor to busy
  put fld "asScriptModDates" into cmd
  do cmd as applescript
  put the result into ans
  put char 2 to -2 of ans into ans
  put quote into q
  put comma into c
  
  replace comma with cr in ans
  filter ans without "*sunday"
  filter ans without "*monday"
  filter ans without "*tuesday"
  filter ans without "*wednesday"
  filter ans without "*thursday"
  filter ans without "*friday"
  filter ans without "*saturday"
  replace cr with comma in ans
  
  replace (q&"NewLine") with cr in ans
  replace (q&c) with tab in ans
  replace ("date "&q) with empty in ans
  replace (tab &" "&q) with empty in ans
  set the itemdel to tab
  repeat for each line LNN in ans
    put item 1 of LNN & tab after newAns
    put word 1 to 3 of item 2 of LNN & tab after newAns
    put word 4 to -1 of item 2 of LNN & tab after newAns
    put word 1 to 3 of item 3 of LNN & tab after newAns
    put word 4 to -1 of item 3 of LNN & tab after newAns
    put item 4 to -1 of LNN & cr after newAns
  end repeat
  
  put newAns into msg
  set the clipboarddata to newAns
  --now paste into Excel to see in columns
end mousedoubleup
-----------------------------------


On 5/20/07 9:39 PM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have little experience with virus systems or other defenses against
> macros, but could it be possible that files may be 'quarantined' or marked
> or symbolized in such a way that a security system might interfere with file
> info?
> 
> Wilhelm: if you run an Applescript that gets the same info during the same
> handler, does this return the matching value?
> 
> I wrote these in about 30 minutes so you might want to refine them to do a
> better job (they work on my OSX)
> 
> You need to have the front window in the Finder showing the folder of files
> you want.  This list will include folders and show the flag as the last col.
> 
> ----- start copy here > paste into a Rev field "asScriptModDates"
> try
>     tell application "Finder" to set the source_folder to (folder of the
> front window) as alias
> on error -- no open folder windows
>     set the source_folder to path to desktop folder as alias
> end try
> 
> set the item_list to list folder source_folder without invisibles
> set source_folder to source_folder as string --conversion
> set outputList to {}
> repeat with i from 1 to number of items in the item_list
>     set this_item to item i of the item_list
>     set this_item to (source_folder & this_item) as alias
>     set this_info to info for this_item
>     
>     copy "NewLine" to end of outputList
>     copy the name of this_info to end of outputList
>     copy the creation date of this_info to end of outputList
>     copy the modification date of this_info to end of outputList
>     copy the folder of this_info to end of outputList
>     
> end repeat
> return outputList
> -------------------- end copy of Applescript
> 
> run this handler to get the dates into columns
> ------ start copy here > paste into stack script
> on mousedoubleup
>   set the cursor to busy
>   put fld "asScriptModDates" into cmd
>   do cmd as applescript
>   put the result into ans
>   put char 2 to -2 of ans into ans
>   put quote into q
>   put comma into c
>   replace (q&"NewLine") with cr in ans
>   replace (q&c) with tab in ans
>   replace ("date "&q) with empty in ans
>   replace (tab &" "&q) with empty in ans
> 
>   put ans into msg
>   set the clipboarddata to ans
>   --now paste into Excel to see in columns
> end mousedoubleup
> ---------- end copy
> 
> Hope this helps dial in on the inaccuracies.
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> On 5/20/07 7:04 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
>> Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> The results I get here using your script are exactly the same as with my
>>> slightly different script
>> 
>> I think we need to find out why we're getting different results. A
>> search in bugzilla gives two related bugs, both now fixed:
>> 
>> 4293 The detailed files doesn't return correct creation date f...
>> 4474 Detailed Files Always Returns 0 for Last Modified and 000...
>> 
>> The first one involves only files with long file names on OS X. The
>> second doesn't match your results (you aren't getting 0, you are getting
>> real dates.) But maybe you could read these two and see if either apply
>> to your situation.
>> 
>> My own results are correct in both XP and OS X, so I don't know what
>> else to say. It would be great if others could do some checking. Maybe
>> that would give us a clue what the differences are between your results
>> and mine. There isn't much to go on so far.
> 
> 
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon May 21 12:07:10 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:07:10 +0200
Subject: AW: Where is the difference with Umlaute on Win versus Mac?
In-Reply-To: <C51ABE1A-DBD0-458E-9701-119048424086@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <004101c79bc2$19454800$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks Robert and Devin,
I still have to learn better searching :) Up to now, I only have used goolge
to search the list, but now I have seen, that the archive search brings
completely other results. But even without you very helpful link, I didn't
found your link with my search criteria :( I couldn't test it yet, but your
link seems to be the solution, because my whole text is also stored in
custom properties and is put into fields at runtime. That seems to be it.
Thanks
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Devin Asay
> Gesendet: Montag, 21. Mai 2007 17:11
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Where is the difference with Umlaute on Win versus Mac?
> 
> 
> On May 21, 2007, at 2:01 AM, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am a little puzzled, but probably it's a Rev beginner question.
> >
> > I have text fields with german text, including Umlaute and "sz". On
> > Win (IDE
> > and standalone) everything looks quite normal with Umlaute. But the
> > standalone on a Mac doesn't shows the Umlaute and sz. It replaces
> > them with
> > any special signs.  From Webdesign I know this topic and differences
> > depending on setting the charset like e.g. charset=iso-8859-1. I know
> > differences between browsers, etc. but where is the difference
> > between Win
> > and Mac with showing Character Sets? Can I assign a charset to a
> > field or
> > something like this? I didn't find anything.
> 
> Tiemo,
> There are several ways to approach it. You are right that it is a
> character set issue. Check out the ISOtoMac and MacToISO functions in
> the dictionary. They will allow you to translate upper ASCII
> characters between ISO 8859 and MacRoman character sets.
> 
> You could also import UTF8 files into your stack, but this might be
> overkill for what you're doing.
> 
> Devin
> 
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Mon May 21 12:37:52 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:37:52 +0100
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
References: <BAY106-W213C2E78AB9AB291F86492D1300@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000801c79bc6$669773e0$0a01a8c0@workshop>

Bob ,

Yeah , I have done much the same thing !
To date no problems with Ethernet ! using IP addresses etc

But RS232 is a must for other projects and at present this bug (4972) is
preventing anymore development !

Waitng to see how good the Run Rev team are ??????????????

Regards
Camm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Earp" <rjearp at hotmail.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate


Cam,Unfortunately I cannot answer your question but I am monitoring your
post as I too am VERY interested in  communicating from Rev.  Specifically,
I'm building aircraft cabin simulators using a PLC for the basic control and
wishing to use Rev to design an instructors interface (and editor) on either
a OSX or Windoze platform.  What I need to do is communicate
bi-directionally with the PLC via Ethernet. If I hear of anything
interesting I'll let you know.best,
Bob...~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Message: 12Date: Sun,
20 May 2007 17:09:14 +0100From: "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net>Subject: WARNING
BUG ! Rev fails to CommunicateTo:
<use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>Message-ID:
<000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0 at workshop>Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"  have posted this topic before and reported a bug 4927
! Just an update ,  I tried Sarah's SerialTest.rev as well , this hung the
PC on pressing the Open Port Button.Again , the only way out was to reboot
the PC !   Running Windows XPUsing IVT BlueSoleil (USB to Bluetooth Adapter)
Before anybody gets excited it's just a Virtual RS232 Com Port and works
great with " C " written programswithout Revolution's Engine. IT ONLY FAILS
WITH REVOLUTION APPLICATIONS  !!!! I'm stuffed until this is fixed. Help
anybody ? It's seems there's a serious lack of Knowledge or Interest on Rev
's Communication I/O Engine at present ! Best RegardsCamm
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Mon May 21 12:41:34 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:41:34 +0100
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
References: <C2767EBA.463FC%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c79bc6$e5fa3b40$0a01a8c0@workshop>

Jim ,

>>> " Activity Monitor" in the utilities folder

Where is it ????
Windows XP

Camm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate


> Can't you open the app " Activity Monitor" in the utilities folder before
> encountering the crash and perhaps get an idea of what happens/doesn't ?
>
> Certainly outside my area of expertise.
>
> Jim Ault
>
>
> On 5/20/07 10:11 PM, "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>
> > Camm29-
> >
> > Sunday, May 20, 2007, 11:36:07 AM, you wrote:
> >
> >>>> 4. Do you really mean "only option is Reboot!"? You can't even bring
> >>>> up the task manager to kill the process?
> >
> >> You bet ! no ctrl break , no task manager kill process , no nothing !!!
> >> Only Reboot for my script and Sarah's !!
> >
> > Yikes!
> >
> >> I think it's a Rev issue that needs addressing URGENTLY !!
> >
> > Could well be that you've found something here. It's been a little
> > while since I've had to fiddle with the serial ports. Last thing I
> > remember was filing bug #1703, giving up on rev, and coding in C.
>
>
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Mon May 21 12:43:11 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:43:11 +0100
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
References: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop><17761388602.20070520110540@ahsoftware.net><000401c79b0d$c2ffe9a0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<61101320931.20070520221112@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <001801c79bc7$202855e0$0a01a8c0@workshop>

Mark ,

Is Rev that bad , for fixing bugs ?

Regards
Camm
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate


> Camm29-
>
> Sunday, May 20, 2007, 11:36:07 AM, you wrote:
>
> >>> 4. Do you really mean "only option is Reboot!"? You can't even bring
> >>> up the task manager to kill the process?
>
> > You bet ! no ctrl break , no task manager kill process , no nothing !!!
> > Only Reboot for my script and Sarah's !!
>
> Yikes!
>
> > I think it's a Rev issue that needs addressing URGENTLY !!
>
> Could well be that you've found something here. It's been a little
> while since I've had to fiddle with the serial ports. Last thing I
> remember was filing bug #1703, giving up on rev, and coding in C.
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 21 12:46:49 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:46:49 -0500
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <0E15B81B-390E-4D8B-80EF-AA124CB500F8@maseurope.net>
References: <4650C0A5.4010706@hrz.uni-kassel.de>	<4650FE34.4030309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<0E15B81B-390E-4D8B-80EF-AA124CB500F8@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <4651CCF9.5070300@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Smith wrote:
> Ran the script here, on Mac 10.4.9, Rev 2.8.1 - all detailed files info 
> matched the finder....

Thanks for checking, Mark. It's puzzling why we're getting different 
results than Wilhelm. Any XP users who feel like running the script? 
Here it is again:

on mouseUp
   answer folder "Choose a folder:"
   set the directory to it
   put the detailed files into fld 1
   repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in in fld 1
     get item 4 of line x of fld 1
     convert it to short date and time
     put it into item 4 of line x of fld 1
     get item 5 of line x of fld 1
     convert it to short date and time
     put it into item 5 of line x of fld 1
   end repeat
end mouseUp

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 21 12:48:53 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:48:53 -0500
Subject: combine by column crashes
In-Reply-To: <80740FE1-6E21-4F8F-A638-ABD32FFE0F0B@unil.ch>
References: <80740FE1-6E21-4F8F-A638-ABD32FFE0F0B@unil.ch>
Message-ID: <4651CD75.3010906@hyperactivesw.com>

Jacques Hausser wrote:
> Hello everybody
> 
> 2.8.1 new features: I noticed that "combine by column" works only when 
> the array variables contain the same number of lines, and no empty lines...
> if you have an empty line, RunRev simply crashes...
> By contrast, "split by column seems" to work OK, even with empty cells 
> in the table.
> As it is quite frequent to have empty lines (i.e. empty cells in the 
> original splitted and then recombined table) "combine by row | column" 
> seem far less attractive at second view...
> Classical question: it's a bug or a feature ?

All crashes are bugs and should be reported. You can do that here:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/>

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Mon May 21 13:51:43 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:51:43 +0200
Subject: AW: Where is the difference with Umlaute on Win versus Mac?
In-Reply-To: <004101c79bc2$19454800$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <004101c79bc2$19454800$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <20C3B5C0-678B-44E8-81AE-C8ADE6F62BAB@major-k.de>

Hi Tiemo,

> Thanks Robert and Devin,
> I still have to learn better searching :) Up to now, I only have  
> used goolge
> to search the list, but now I have seen, that the archive search  
> brings
> completely other results. But even without you very helpful link, I  
> didn't
> found your link with my search criteria :( I couldn't test it yet,  
> but your
> link seems to be the solution, because my whole text is also stored in
> custom properties and is put into fields at runtime. That seems to  
> be it.

Yes, custom properties are NOT tranlated from one chartset ot another
when switching platforms, fields GET translated.

> Thanks
> Tiemo

Regards and Gr??e :-)

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon May 21 14:21:19 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:21:19 +0200
Subject: AW: AW: Where is the difference with Umlaute on Win versus Mac?
In-Reply-To: <20C3B5C0-678B-44E8-81AE-C8ADE6F62BAB@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <004901c79bd4$d4d3c990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks for the Gr??e WITH Umlaut :)

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Klaus Major
> Gesendet: Montag, 21. Mai 2007 19:52
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: AW: Where is the difference with Umlaute on Win versus Mac?
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> > Thanks Robert and Devin,
> > I still have to learn better searching :) Up to now, I only have
> > used goolge
> > to search the list, but now I have seen, that the archive search
> > brings
> > completely other results. But even without you very helpful link, I
> > didn't
> > found your link with my search criteria :( I couldn't test it yet,
> > but your
> > link seems to be the solution, because my whole text is also stored in
> > custom properties and is put into fields at runtime. That seems to
> > be it.
> 
> Yes, custom properties are NOT tranlated from one chartset ot another
> when switching platforms, fields GET translated.
> 
> > Thanks
> > Tiemo
> 
> Regards and Gr??e :-)
> 
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
> 
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From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com  Mon May 21 14:34:19 2007
From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:34:19 -0700
Subject: "Easy to use"
In-Reply-To: <671938.77203.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <671938.77203.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4be051070705211134n49ecc095ye614fd73d934837a@mail.gmail.com>

I suppose it depends upon the audience you are targetting.

Variables shouldn't be a mystery for anyone who's had 7th grade
algebra.  Thus, yes, an 11 y.o. might well need a bit of on-the-side
counseling, but a 13 or 14 y.o. theoretically should, with perhaps a
little support work, grasp the concept.  And, again, here would be the
ideal opportunity to include little, *meaningful,* proof-of-concept
stacks to use, reuse, and educate (I must admit I've not had the time
yet to d/l 2.8, so maybe they're in there, after all).

Rev's claim seems fair enough when compared with just about anything
else that is comparable (in terms of what can be created with the
language), no?

As for 'anyone who hasn't used computers before,' well, I suspect that
they're also not out there looking on the internet for programming
environments.

Judy



On 5/20/07, Richmond Mathewson <geradamas at yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
> "easy-to-use and packed with features"
<snip>
> This is similar to claims that have been made about
> the current cross-platform, cross-OS GUI: - but it is
> not easy to use for people who have never used
> computers before.
>
> Working with an 11 year-old who had never done any
> programming before RR was not "easy-to-use" at all.


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon May 21 14:42:55 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:42:55 +0100
Subject: "Easy to use"
In-Reply-To: <4be051070705211134n49ecc095ye614fd73d934837a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <671938.77203.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4be051070705211134n49ecc095ye614fd73d934837a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5B855A5-DE5B-4954-9031-D069FD2A92F9@azurevision.co.uk>


On 21 May 2007, at 19:34, Judy Perry wrote:

> As for 'anyone who hasn't used computers before,' well, I suspect that
> they're also not out there looking on the internet for programming
> environments.

++

Someone who hasn't used a computer before is going to have enough  
trouble with the idea of folders, documents and all that stuff  
without getting anywhere near programming, even fully-drag-n-drop  
stuff like Apple's Automator or LEGO's NXT-G.

Ian


From chris at altuit.com  Mon May 21 14:44:35 2007
From: chris at altuit.com (chris bohnert)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:44:35 -0500
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
In-Reply-To: <001801c79bc7$202855e0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
References: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<17761388602.20070520110540@ahsoftware.net>
	<000401c79b0d$c2ffe9a0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<61101320931.20070520221112@ahsoftware.net>
	<001801c79bc7$202855e0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <2e0cf4750705211144n62ba92f1gb23399514847ae82@mail.gmail.com>

Camm,

Your bug report hasn't really given them a lot to go on.  You should include
information like the version of the BlueSoleil drivers you're using.  Their
driver change logs are littered with entries like "doesn't work with some
virtual com ports ".  So knowing what version you're using will be an
important first step in diagnosing the problem.

You also never mention what your DCE device is..its possible that it is
doing something with the DTR/DSR that rev isn't expecting..or vice versa.

Throw some code in your report too.  The more you can include to clearly
demonstrate where the problem is happening the more you can expect to see a
positive outcome.

--
cb

On 5/21/07, Camm29 <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:
>
> Mark ,
>
> Is Rev that bad , for fixing bugs ?
>
> Regards
> Camm
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:11 AM
> Subject: Re: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
>
>
> > Camm29-
> >
> > Sunday, May 20, 2007, 11:36:07 AM, you wrote:
> >
> > >>> 4. Do you really mean "only option is Reboot!"? You can't even bring
> > >>> up the task manager to kill the process?
> >
> > > You bet ! no ctrl break , no task manager kill process , no nothing
> !!!
> > > Only Reboot for my script and Sarah's !!
> >
> > Yikes!
> >
> > > I think it's a Rev issue that needs addressing URGENTLY !!
> >
> > Could well be that you've found something here. It's been a little
> > while since I've had to fiddle with the serial ports. Last thing I
> > remember was filing bug #1703, giving up on rev, and coding in C.
> >
> > --
> > -Mark Wieder
> >  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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> >
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Mon May 21 15:00:59 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:00:59 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <4651EC6B.7070800@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

First  a word of thanks to Jacqueline and Jim Ault for their patience 
with which they try to help finding out what is going on behind the scenes.

I think I know now where Rev is looking for date information with the 
detailed files on WindowsXP.

There are fours kinds of date data with image files, and three for all 
other non-image files.

For image files they are:

- date of taking the photo
- creation of file
-  modification of the file
- date of last access to the file

If you customize your folder accordingly, the date informations are 
displayed in the following order: Modification, photo taken, created, 
last access.

The date when the photo was taken is also displayed in the tooltip when 
you move the mouse cursor over the image file. Then you have a 
properties pane for each file which you open with right-click on the 
file. From this pane you can inspect the EXIF data - if there are any - 
and also look at creation, modification, and last-access dates.

 From these 4 categories of date information the detailed files access 
two, namely creation of file and modification of the file.

Now, one important aspect of the date informations is how they are 
related to each other. This is where some difficulties of understanding 
may arise - as in my case.

When a photo is taken, it gets a modification date at the same time, 
although it is - as it were - only modified out of non-existence.
The creation date is generated when the image arrives on the computer, 
and a new creation date is generated each time the image is saved or 
copied. Simply "moving" an image to another folder does *not* change the 
creation date.

This leads to the at first glance puzzling effect that the creation date 
is normally a later date than the modification date, the latter of which 
may even still be identical with the date the photo was taken, i.e. when 
it was really created as a photo.

Thus in the majority of cases, what passes as modification date in the 
detailed files  is the nearest you can get to the date the photo was taken.
Creation date and date of photo taken can only be identical  when the 
picture is transferred from the camera to the computer on the same day 
the photo was taken.-

This all holds for WindowsXP and probably to some extent for MacOS, too. 
But this does not explain the "phantastic" date of "Jan 18, 2038" which 
I got for the creation date - item four of the detailed files - when I 
transferred files to my Powerbook with an USB stick.--

What should the Rev "quality team" do in this matter? At least explain 
in the docs that the detailed files make no use of the EXIF data (which 
would  indeed be accessible on WindowsXP) and describe in some plain 
words the specific nature of  the "creation" and "modification" dates 
retrieved by the detailed files.

The best way of course would be to add the real-photo-creation date from 
the EXIF data to the detailed files, such an additional item of the 
detailed files could then return empty when no EXIF data are available - 
as in the case of other items when no information matches such an item.

I think I should submit an enhancement request, and for the time being I 
will use the modification date in my thumbs stack.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>







From kevin at runrev.com  Mon May 21 15:01:52 2007
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:01:52 +0100
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c274cd50c244@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <C277AB30.4E27A%kevin@runrev.com>

Hi folks,

A quite note on this one.

There is no measurable marketing benefit to us for continuing to promote
support for OS 9 at this stage. We are not maintaining this information for
marketing reasons, rather we promised one final classic version to our users
some time ago. ?2.7.5 was the version this was to be in and this has been
renamed to 2.9. We didn't promise this within a specific timescale and we
made a public announcement to the effect that 2.7.5 has been renamed 2.9.

It remains our intention to do a classic build with 2.9. That was the last
public statement we made on this.

There is a caveat with the classic build. We have encountered technical
problems working with the classic port we didn't expect when we made the
original announcement. We looked at this not too long ago and because of
changes we have made its become much more difficult to update the port.  So
there is a risk that when we work on classic for 2.9, it will prove
impossible. We are unable to devote weeks of engineering to resolving any
"impossible" problem relating to this port.

I can promise you though that will make a solid attempt to produce a
workable classic version for 2.9 within a reasonable engineering timeframe.
If we can't, it will be because the engineering issues have become
insurmountable since the point at which we resolved to do this.  In which
case we would make an announcement of that with a full explanation at the
time. Hopefully though the engineers will be able to resolve this issue
within a reasonable period of time and we will do a successful final build,
fulfill our obligation and move on.

Until we have looked at it further I don't have any more information to give
the community as I simply don't know any more. I hope this clarifies our
position a little.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools



From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Mon May 21 15:08:58 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:08:58 +0100
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <4651CCF9.5070300@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4650C0A5.4010706@hrz.uni-kassel.de>	<4650FE34.4030309@hyperactivesw.com>	<0E15B81B-390E-4D8B-80EF-AA124CB500F8@maseurope.net>
	<4651CCF9.5070300@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4651EE4A.3020008@harbourhosting.co.uk>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Mark Smith wrote:
>> Ran the script here, on Mac 10.4.9, Rev 2.8.1 - all detailed files 
>> info matched the finder....
> 
> Thanks for checking, Mark. It's puzzling why we're getting different 
> results than Wilhelm. Any XP users who feel like running the script? 
> Here it is again:
> 
> on mouseUp
>   answer folder "Choose a folder:"
>   set the directory to it
>   put the detailed files into fld 1
>   repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines in in fld 1
>     get item 4 of line x of fld 1
>     convert it to short date and time
>     put it into item 4 of line x of fld 1
>     get item 5 of line x of fld 1
>     convert it to short date and time
>     put it into item 5 of line x of fld 1
>   end repeat
> end mouseUp
> 

My (linewrapped) results on XP look like this:

altindex.php,10225,,5/16/07 11:15 AM,5/20/07 4:18 PM,1179771621,0,0,0,666,

The dates are OK, although the result does deviate from what the docs 
tell you to expect in that items 3 and 11 (unsupported on windows) are 
supposed to therefore contain zero, according to the docs, in the same 
way as items 7,8,9. But are in fact empty. Unlikely to cause any real 
trouble I would think, but you never know.

Martin Baxter


From Camm29 at tesco.net  Mon May 21 15:04:30 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:04:30 +0100
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
References: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop><17761388602.20070520110540@ahsoftware.net><000401c79b0d$c2ffe9a0$0a01a8c0@workshop><61101320931.20070520221112@ahsoftware.net><001801c79bc7$202855e0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<2e0cf4750705211144n62ba92f1gb23399514847ae82@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401c79bda$f13a15c0$0a01a8c0@workshop>

Okay , some good points I , will add them to the report !

For Info......

IVT BlueSoleil USB to Bluetooth Driver 1.6

My DCE is a Modem using standard AT Commands  , No requirement for any
Handshaking !

Sarah's "SerialTest.rev" is a well known working example on Com Ports !
This is a good script to test on , ( It also Hangs PC with this driver)

Windows XP

Tested the driver with most commonly available Serial Data Monitors etc ,
works with no
problems.

Only fails with Run Rev !

Regards
Camm

----- Original Message -----
From: "chris bohnert" <chris at altuit.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate


> Camm,
>
> Your bug report hasn't really given them a lot to go on.  You should
include
> information like the version of the BlueSoleil drivers you're using.
Their
> driver change logs are littered with entries like "doesn't work with some
> virtual com ports ".  So knowing what version you're using will be an
> important first step in diagnosing the problem.
>
> You also never mention what your DCE device is..its possible that it is
> doing something with the DTR/DSR that rev isn't expecting..or vice versa.
>
> Throw some code in your report too.  The more you can include to clearly
> demonstrate where the problem is happening the more you can expect to see
a
> positive outcome.
>
> --
> cb
>
> On 5/21/07, Camm29 <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:
> >
> > Mark ,
> >
> > Is Rev that bad , for fixing bugs ?
> >
> > Regards
> > Camm
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> > To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:11 AM
> > Subject: Re: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
> >
> >
> > > Camm29-
> > >
> > > Sunday, May 20, 2007, 11:36:07 AM, you wrote:
> > >
> > > >>> 4. Do you really mean "only option is Reboot!"? You can't even
bring
> > > >>> up the task manager to kill the process?
> > >
> > > > You bet ! no ctrl break , no task manager kill process , no nothing
> > !!!
> > > > Only Reboot for my script and Sarah's !!
> > >
> > > Yikes!
> > >
> > > > I think it's a Rev issue that needs addressing URGENTLY !!
> > >
> > > Could well be that you've found something here. It's been a little
> > > while since I've had to fiddle with the serial ports. Last thing I
> > > remember was filing bug #1703, giving up on rev, and coding in C.
> > >
> > > --
> > > -Mark Wieder
> > >  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/807 - Release Date:
> > 16/05/2007
> > 18:05
> > >
> > >
> >
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18:05
>
>



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon May 21 15:15:40 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:15:40 +0100
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <4651EC6B.7070800@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4651EC6B.7070800@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <3D1D1435-D5A2-4DB0-955A-94A6B8FC8EA6@azurevision.co.uk>


On 21 May 2007, at 20:00, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> When a photo is taken, it gets a modification date at the same  
> time, although it is - as it were - only modified out of non- 
> existence.
> The creation date is generated when the image arrives on the  
> computer, and a new creation date is generated each time the image  
> is saved or copied. Simply "moving" an image to another folder does  
> *not* change the creation date.

FWIW, that's NOT true on OS X. At least when downloading images using  
Image Capture, iPhoto or Aperture, the creation date allocated to the  
file is the time that the file was saved to the memory card.

The time it was downloaded does not appear in the file info in any  
way. The creation date sometimes gets altered as you describe when  
uploaded and downloading, but copying and/or saving doesn't alter it.

I've not tested it to be sure, but suspect that OS X is keeping the  
proper creation date as long as the file is on an HFS volume.

Ian


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 15:17:56 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:17:56 -0700
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
In-Reply-To: <001501c79bc6$e5fa3b40$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <C2773E74.4643A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 5/21/07 9:41 AM, "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:

> Jim ,
> 
>>>> " Activity Monitor" in the utilities folder
> 
> Where is it ????
> Windows XP
> 
There is a tab in the task manager window that lets you see the processes
and their useage dynamically.   I believe there is also a network activity
window.  These could provide clues to a process that stops 'responding' or
becomes static.

 On OSX this functionality is done in  a more detailed way by Activity
Monitor.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From chris at altuit.com  Mon May 21 15:31:31 2007
From: chris at altuit.com (chris bohnert)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:31:31 -0500
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
In-Reply-To: <000401c79bda$f13a15c0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
References: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<17761388602.20070520110540@ahsoftware.net>
	<000401c79b0d$c2ffe9a0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<61101320931.20070520221112@ahsoftware.net>
	<001801c79bc7$202855e0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<2e0cf4750705211144n62ba92f1gb23399514847ae82@mail.gmail.com>
	<000401c79bda$f13a15c0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <2e0cf4750705211231n4a2df830j9e02a8c10c82f790@mail.gmail.com>

Camm,

Here's a snippet from one of BlueSoleil's change logs.

The following significant changes have been made to BlueSoleil 2.1.2 since
it is build 2.1.1
EDR:
? Support online purchase of new versions of BlueSoleil.
? Bug fix: Some applications sometimes hang when trying to use virtual COM
port.

Sounds like it might be worth a try to upgrade to somewhere near 2.1.2.

--
cb

On 5/21/07, Camm29 <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:
>
> Okay , some good points I , will add them to the report !
>
> For Info......
>
> IVT BlueSoleil USB to Bluetooth Driver 1.6
>
> My DCE is a Modem using standard AT Commands  , No requirement for any
> Handshaking !
>
> Sarah's "SerialTest.rev" is a well known working example on Com Ports !
> This is a good script to test on , ( It also Hangs PC with this driver)
>
> Windows XP
>
> Tested the driver with most commonly available Serial Data Monitors etc ,
> works with no
> problems.
>
> Only fails with Run Rev !
>
> Regards
> Camm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "chris bohnert" <chris at altuit.com>
> To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 7:44 PM
> Subject: Re: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
>
>
> > Camm,
> >
> > Your bug report hasn't really given them a lot to go on.  You should
> include
> > information like the version of the BlueSoleil drivers you're using.
> Their
> > driver change logs are littered with entries like "doesn't work with
> some
> > virtual com ports ".  So knowing what version you're using will be an
> > important first step in diagnosing the problem.
> >
> > You also never mention what your DCE device is..its possible that it is
> > doing something with the DTR/DSR that rev isn't expecting..or vice
> versa.
> >
> > Throw some code in your report too.  The more you can include to clearly
> > demonstrate where the problem is happening the more you can expect to
> see
> a
> > positive outcome.
> >
> > --
> > cb
> >
> > On 5/21/07, Camm29 <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mark ,
> > >
> > > Is Rev that bad , for fixing bugs ?
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Camm
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
> > > To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 6:11 AM
> > > Subject: Re: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
> > >
> > >
> > > > Camm29-
> > > >
> > > > Sunday, May 20, 2007, 11:36:07 AM, you wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>> 4. Do you really mean "only option is Reboot!"? You can't even
> bring
> > > > >>> up the task manager to kill the process?
> > > >
> > > > > You bet ! no ctrl break , no task manager kill process , no
> nothing
> > > !!!
> > > > > Only Reboot for my script and Sarah's !!
> > > >
> > > > Yikes!
> > > >
> > > > > I think it's a Rev issue that needs addressing URGENTLY !!
> > > >
> > > > Could well be that you've found something here. It's been a little
> > > > while since I've had to fiddle with the serial ports. Last thing I
> > > > remember was filing bug #1703, giving up on rev, and coding in C.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -Mark Wieder
> > > >  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > > subscription preferences:
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/807 - Release Date:
> > > 16/05/2007
> > > 18:05
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> 16/05/2007
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From Camm29 at tesco.net  Mon May 21 15:44:49 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:44:49 +0100
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
References: <C2773E74.4643A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000401c79be0$8db557c0$0a01a8c0@workshop>

Jim ,

I'm with you now !

Thanks !

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate


> On 5/21/07 9:41 AM, "Camm29" <Camm29 at tesco.net> wrote:
>
> > Jim ,
> >
> >>>> " Activity Monitor" in the utilities folder
> >
> > Where is it ????
> > Windows XP
> >
> There is a tab in the task manager window that lets you see the processes
> and their useage dynamically.   I believe there is also a network activity
> window.  These could provide clues to a process that stops 'responding' or
> becomes static.
>
>  On OSX this functionality is done in  a more detailed way by Activity
> Monitor.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/807 - Release Date: 16/05/2007
18:05
>
>



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 21 15:46:21 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:46:21 -0500
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <4651EE4A.3020008@harbourhosting.co.uk>
References: <4650C0A5.4010706@hrz.uni-kassel.de>	<4650FE34.4030309@hyperactivesw.com>	<0E15B81B-390E-4D8B-80EF-AA124CB500F8@maseurope.net>	<4651CCF9.5070300@hyperactivesw.com>
	<4651EE4A.3020008@harbourhosting.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4651F70D.8000001@hyperactivesw.com>

Martin Baxter wrote:


> The dates are OK, although the result does deviate from what the docs 
> tell you to expect in that items 3 and 11 (unsupported on windows) are 
> supposed to therefore contain zero, according to the docs, in the same 
> way as items 7,8,9. But are in fact empty. Unlikely to cause any real 
> trouble I would think, but you never know.

Thanks for running the check, it's been an interesting thread. When I 
was reseraching it in bugzilla I saw there's a bug report about the lack 
of zeros on unsupported Windows items (bug #606.) It's marked as "minor" 
but you could add comments to it if you think it's important. A 
workaround for now is to have scripts check for "> 0" rather than zero 
itself. That way both zero and empty would evaluate the same way.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 21 15:50:26 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:50:26 -0500
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <4651EC6B.7070800@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4651EC6B.7070800@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <4651F802.1040801@hyperactivesw.com>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> When a photo is taken, it gets a modification date at the same time, 
> although it is - as it were - only modified out of non-existence.
> The creation date is generated when the image arrives on the computer, 
> and a new creation date is generated each time the image is saved or 
> copied. Simply "moving" an image to another folder does *not* change the 
> creation date.

Wow, that sure doesn't seem right. I wonder if the editing app you are 
using is saving the files by creating copies and then deleting the 
originals? That might explain it. I know the Mac doesn't change creation 
dates when just saving a file, and I haven't noticed it on XP either -- 
though I admit I do very little editing on that OS. Most of my image 
editors are on the Mac.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon May 21 15:54:32 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:54:32 -0500
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <4651EC6B.7070800@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4651EC6B.7070800@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <4651F8F8.7070601@hyperactivesw.com>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> But this does not explain the "phantastic" date of "Jan 18, 2038" which 
> I got for the creation date - item four of the detailed files - when I 
> transferred files to my Powerbook with an USB stick.--

Oops, forgot to address this point. It would be interesting to see what 
the creation date is on the USB stick, before the transfer. I wonder if 
something about USB is munging the date somehow when the file is copied 
(I think you suspected this too at some point.) After you've copied the 
file to the hard drive, does the creation date listed in the properties 
dialog on XP match the unusual year as well?


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon May 21 16:13:41 2007
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:13:41 -0400
Subject: Private commands
Message-ID: <DFB55B2D-0E52-463B-9D7B-3DA329F7B530@wehostmacs.com>

I was just going to bug report this and wrote a small sample to show  
the bug, but it seems to work using passed by referenced parameters  
(even though I did see it not work the other day). Put the following  
code in a button and see if it works:

on mouseUp
   local t1="turkey", t2, t3
   repeat 50
     mooCow t1, t2, t3
     put t1, t2, t3
   end repeat
end mouseUp

private command mooCow p1, @p2, @p3
   put the seconds into p2
   put "moo" into p3
end mooCow


I'll go back to my other code and change it to a private command  
again and see if it works or not.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon May 21 16:20:51 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (mwieder)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:20:51 -0700
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
References: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop><17761388602.20070520110540@ahsoftware.net><000401c79b0d$c2ffe9a0$0a01a8c0@workshop><61101320931.20070520221112@ahsoftware.net>
	<001801c79bc7$202855e0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <f2suv4$8e1$1@sea.gmane.org>

Camm29 -

> Mark ,
>
> Is Rev that bad , for fixing bugs ?

Not at all. I had a particular and esoteric bug which, unfortunately for me, 
was a blocker. Fortunately the app I was working on didn't have much GUI 
interaction, and proved to be a quick write in C. The other work I've done 
with serial ports in rev has worked out just fine, and being able to cobble 
together a GUI frontend in rev allowed me to get my debugging done in close 
to no time at all.

I'd agree with Chris here that your problems are probably more on the driver 
end of things than on the rev engine side. Hanging the computer is a pretty 
serious symptom, especially if you've got a timeout callback implemented, so 
I think it's worth the bug report you filed.

But I'd also try unplugging the serial device when the system hangs to see 
if that brings it back to life before trying the power cycle.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon May 21 16:33:23 2007
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:33:23 +0100
Subject: Two video inputs?
Message-ID: <46520213.7070801@cogapp.com>

Can the Rev Video library be used to preview, capture, or otherwise work with 
more than one video source?

On the face of it there's no obvious way.  If you have one video source, 
that's it.  Plug an external iSight into a Mac with an internal iSight, and 
the external camera becomes the default.   revVideoGrabDialog can be used to 
select between sources.  But is there any way to use both at once?

TIA,

- Ben



From benr at cogapp.com  Mon May 21 16:36:38 2007
From: benr at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:36:38 +0100
Subject: Inspect video settings
Message-ID: <465202D6.4040503@cogapp.com>

[apologies for previous empty email - Thunderbird has some mysterious command 
key shortcuts that keeps sending my emails before I wanted it to.]

Is there a way to inspect the settings or attributes of the current video 
source, eg after invoking revVideoGrabDialog?

I'd like to know things like the name of the currently selected source, and 
the native resolution.

TIA,

- Ben




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon May 21 16:34:23 2007
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:34:23 +0100
Subject: Inspect video settings
Message-ID: <4652024F.4020601@cogapp.com>

Ben


From rjb at robelko.com  Mon May 21 16:31:50 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:31:50 +0200
Subject: Build for Classic - thank you
In-Reply-To: <C277AB30.4E27A%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C277AB30.4E27A%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080dc277ae1e2cdb@[192.168.1.101]>

>I can promise you though that will make a solid attempt to produce a
>workable classic version for 2.9 within a reasonable engineering timeframe.
>If we can't, it will be because the engineering issues have become
>insurmountable since the point at which we resolved to do this.  In which
>case we would make an announcement of that with a full explanation at the
>time. Hopefully though the engineers will be able to resolve this issue
>within a reasonable period of time and we will do a successful final build,
>fulfill our obligation and move on.
>
>Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
>Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools

Thank you, Kevin. We read you loud and clear and it is good to know 
where we are standing. I truly hope that the technical issues get 
resolved since it would make a nice finish. Personally, though, I 
don't care whether the last OS9 build is 2.9 or 2.7.5 or 2.8.2. By 
this I mean that if there are real problems to make a proper 2.9 
version, you could still consider releasing a build which is not 
quite on par with 2.9 but packs as many relevant bug fixes as 
possible and becomes the dead-end branch of OS9. The only thing I beg 
for is that you retain a capability to build a further fix version 
should any critical bugs (yes, critical not just any bugs) surface in 
that release within reasonable time. It should be possible for RR to 
keep one computer with the latest OS9 codebase and its compilation 
environment.

Robert Brenstein


From Camm29 at tesco.net  Mon May 21 17:12:05 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:12:05 +0100
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate 
References: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop><17761388602.20070520110540@ahsoftware.net><000401c79b0d$c2ffe9a0$0a01a8c0@workshop><61101320931.20070520221112@ahsoftware.net><001801c79bc7$202855e0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<f2suv4$8e1$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <000d01c79bec$b09db0a0$0132a8c0@workshop>

Well , thanks to all that gave comments/advice on this topic !

Firstly . I have given myself a Big Kick !

Always install the latest driver if available !! kick
Always install the latest driver if available !! kick
Always install the latest driver if available !! kick
Always install the latest driver if available !! kick
Always install the latest driver if available !! kick

Just a reminder ...................................................kick ,
kick

Rev no longer hangs with the latest driver (2.3.0) ! suprise !
The only issue I have is that the hardware vendor only has a licence for
hanging version 1.6 , that's why I still have a problem.
But REV seems to be in the clear , sort of !!!

Should Rev have locked up in that way ?? , other applications did not ?
Shall I remove the report ???

Best Regards
Camm

----- Original Message -----
From: "mwieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate


> Camm29 -
>
> > Mark ,
> >
> > Is Rev that bad , for fixing bugs ?
>
> Not at all. I had a particular and esoteric bug which, unfortunately for
me,
> was a blocker. Fortunately the app I was working on didn't have much GUI
> interaction, and proved to be a quick write in C. The other work I've done
> with serial ports in rev has worked out just fine, and being able to
cobble
> together a GUI frontend in rev allowed me to get my debugging done in
close
> to no time at all.
>
> I'd agree with Chris here that your problems are probably more on the
driver
> end of things than on the rev engine side. Hanging the computer is a
pretty
> serious symptom, especially if you've got a timeout callback implemented,
so
> I think it's worth the bug report you filed.
>
> But I'd also try unplugging the serial device when the system hangs to see
> if that brings it back to life before trying the power cycle.
>
> --
>  Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
>
>
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Mon May 21 17:22:02 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:22:02 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <46520D7A.8000707@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Ian Wood, revlist at azurevision.co.uk wrote:

> > The creation date is generated when the image arrives on the
> > computer, and a new creation date is generated each time the image
>
> > is saved or copied. Simply "moving" an image to another folder does 
> > *not* change the creation date.
>
> FWIW, that's NOT true on OS X. At least when downloading images using 
> Image Capture, iPhoto or Aperture, the creation date allocated to the 
> file is the time that the file was saved to the memory card.
>
> The time it was downloaded does not appear in the file info in any 
> way. The creation date sometimes gets altered as you describe when 
> uploaded and downloading, but copying and/or saving doesn't alter it.


I occured to me immediately after I sent the post that what I said about 
"arriving on the computer"
 reflects my habit to "copy" the photo files from the memory card to the 
computer.

I usually use memory cards of 1 and 2 GB  and firstly *copy* the photos 
for safety reasons - it could happen that during the transfer something 
goes awry - and because I like to keep the photos on the cards  for a 
certain time to copy them elsewhere or have them ready for display on a 
TV or for simply looking through them on the camera.

Wilhelm Sanke

<http://www.sanke.org/MeaMedia>



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon May 21 18:03:28 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:03:28 -0700
Subject: Two video inputs?
In-Reply-To: <46520213.7070801@cogapp.com>
References: <46520213.7070801@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <2DECCC1F-6FB3-432F-8829-869ED7B6A60E@mangomultimedia.com>

On May 21, 2007, at 1:33 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> Can the Rev Video library be used to preview, capture, or otherwise  
> work with more than one video source?
>
> On the face of it there's no obvious way.  If you have one video  
> source, that's it.  Plug an external iSight into a Mac with an  
> internal iSight, and the external camera becomes the default.    
> revVideoGrabDialog can be used to select between sources.  But is  
> there any way to use both at once?

Maybe try working with two copies of the external. Assign each  
external to a different stack in your program. Each instance of the  
external might be able to work with a different camera.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From RGould8 at aol.com  Mon May 21 18:05:45 2007
From: RGould8 at aol.com (RGould8 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:05:45 EDT
Subject: Embedding font in downloaded .rev stack
Message-ID: <c95.104f3d44.338371b9@aol.com>

Say, has anyone created a demo stack of how one goes about embedding and 
displaying a font in a .rev file that's downloaded by a separate standalone 
executible.   

I've seen demos of loading and unloading font files, but I haven't seen a 
successful example of embedding a font (particularly in a stack that's downloaded 
from another stack, and used)


**************************************
 See 
what's free at http://www.aol.com.


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon May 21 18:16:17 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:16:17 +0100
Subject: Obtaining the hardware MacAddress ON WINDOWS
In-Reply-To: <OF4D5AC800.07E344CE-ON852572DE.005EDD64-852572DE.005EFA8F@sealedair.com>
References: <OF4D5AC800.07E344CE-ON852572DE.005EDD64-852572DE.005EFA8F@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <20070521231617803770.9ae5fb0d@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 17 May 2007 13:28:40 -0400, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:

> When you have Parallels or VMware installed on a Windows box, it created
> multiple virtual NICs. Each one has its own MacAddress. I want to determine
> the MacAddress of the REAL hosts NIC? It isn't in the registry, so how can
> this be achieved? I have tried the following, but it returns all 4 NICs,
> and you can't tell which one is real (and active):
> 
> function getWinMacAddress
>   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>   put "net config rdr" into tShellCommand
>   put shell(tShellCommand) into tNetInfo
>   filter tNetInfo with "*NetBT_Tcpip*" -- last word is MacAddress
>   put word -1 of line 1 of tNetInfo into tMacAddress
>   return tMacAddress
> end getWinMacAddress

How about the tip:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/env001.htm

Does that work for you?


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon May 21 18:17:46 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:17:46 +0100
Subject: How do I make the top stack ignore the others?
In-Reply-To: <4651BF73.8070709@siboneylg.com>
References: <d1b.9f431eb.3382e52e@aol.com>
	<AADE0284-14D6-47B6-8170-6BDFB4092096@azurevision.co.uk>
	<4651BF73.8070709@siboneylg.com>
Message-ID: <20070521231746150417.43aabf4e@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 21 May 2007 10:49:07 -0500, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> Won't *modal stack "whatever"* pause the current script and wait for 
> the modal dialog to be dismissed?   I believe that is how it works, 
> so you don't need the global property and wait listed below.

Unless you use the trick outlined here:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/scrp008.htm


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon May 21 18:38:23 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:38:23 -0700
Subject: Multi-CD installer
Message-ID: <46521F5F.5020401@fourthworld.com>

I may need to write a multi-CD installer, which leaves me with two question:

1. How do I eject the first CD on Windows?

2. Anyone know if there will be a problem trying to remove the first CD 
since that's the one the app is running from?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From shari at gypsyware.com  Mon May 21 18:56:23 2007
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:56:23 -0400
Subject: VirtualStore location
In-Reply-To: <000e01c79b48$b82aed00$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <a06020400c2723fdfc0fe@[192.168.2.38]><20070520163711441763.bcc582d5@sonso
	thunder.com>	<a06020400c27681e6e50a@[192.168.2.38]>
	<000e01c79b48$b82aed00$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <a06020400c277d289cb1b@[192.168.2.38]>

>Actually....   It's a can of worms.  AFAIKT if a user has UAC turned 
>on the virtual storage will activate.  If the user turns UAC off 
>they can no longer get the reference to the file.  If they then turn 
>UAC back on they get an entirely different virtual storage file. 
>Micro$oft provide the virtual storage purely for legacy software so 
>it doesn't "break".  However it is a band aid and there are no 
>guarantees it will be there in future Windows versions.  Better to 
>use the designated folders such as provided by the SpecialFolderPath 
>function.  Even writing to the root directory (C:\MyProgramsName) is 
>no longer recommended as it is suggested it is the next place 
>Microsoft will "lock down".    This is the price we Windows users 
>pay for using a system that was never designed to be secure.
>
>Scott Kane

Scott,

Actually I didn't want to write to it, but to delete any VirtualStore 
files that MS created if a user decides to uninstall my software 
using my custom built (Rev menu item) uninstaller.  Right now, the 
Uninstaller looks for files the game may have created outside the 
game folder, and if they exist, deletes them.

With Windows becoming more and more nitpicky about what files you can 
update, my next release won't create or update any files or stacks in 
the program's folder any more.  All files, including stacks that get 
updated, will be installed in a hopefully writeable location.  During 
initial launch, it will check several SpecialFolderPath() options to 
see if they exist, and the first hit it finds, that's where the files 
will go.    But it means more files to Uninstall.....

Mac is so clean.  I have so few troubles on Macs.  Microsnot is a bugger :-)

Shari
-- 
Gypsy King games for
MAC and WlND0WS
http://www.gypsyware.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon May 21 18:59:10 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:59:10 +0100
Subject: revCopyFolder and long file names
In-Reply-To: <99CBED26-C0E7-4BF0-9F0A-C2CB0B19A16F@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <7389C655-746A-4F7A-8D64-68B0667A1FCF@azurevision.co.uk>
	<99CBED26-C0E7-4BF0-9F0A-C2CB0B19A16F@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20070521235910511341.9632ff97@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 17 May 2007 11:38:03 +0100, Ian Wood wrote:

> On 17 May 2007, at 11:35, Ian Wood wrote:
> 
>> If either the original folder or destination folder names contain > 
>> 32 chars, revCopyFolder fails with 'execution error'.
> 
> P.S. Does anyone have a workaround for this? Other than forking the 
> code and using AppleScript/terminal commands on OS X...

Actually the 'revCopyFolder' command uses AppleScript under the hood to 
do its business, and this is why you get an 'execution error'. The 
problem is that Rev doesn't maintain the long file name as it is, but 
in its "hashed" state. This is something Rev can work with and not have 
a problem with (which was the bugs that were fixed). The problem is 
that when the hashed path is put into an AppleScript statement, 
AppleScript chokes. So I'd suggest using my handy-dandy 
"stsLongFilePath" function:

function stsLongFilePath pPath
  switch (the platform)
  case "MacOS"  -- assumes OS X
    put "set tPath to" && quote & pPath & quote & cr & \
        "set tPath to (POSIX file tPath) as string" & cr & \
        "POSIX path of tPath" into tScript
    do tScript as "AppleScript"
    return (char 2 to -2 of the result)  -- strips quotes
    break
  case "Win32"
    return the longFilePath of pPath
    break
  end switch
end stsLongFilePath

So you can then do:

  revCopyFolder stsLongFilePath(tSrc),stsLongFilePath(tDest)

And all should be well...  :-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From hershf at rgllc.us  Mon May 21 19:50:04 2007
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:50:04 -0400
Subject: Externals database
In-Reply-To: <FE1249CB-F5D0-416F-829A-3D5B67C0B008@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C277A86C.28C2%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 5/21/07 11:37 AM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:

Hi and thanks,

> I've brought my project into the current build, and I can connect to
> PostgreSQL fine.
> 
> Which version of PostgreSQL are you using?

my PostgreSQL is from http://www.entropy.ch/home/welcome.php
For mac precompiled.

> I'm using: http://www.postgresqlformac.com (if you decide to go this
> route, backup your db and uninstall it, then install PostgreSQL for
> Mac).
> 
> Have you moved the db? Can you connect to it with any other client?
> Have you changed the port?

Ok, it works with RR ide without a problem but if I build a standalone it
doesn't connect unless I paste the runtime file copied from version 2.7.1
into the standalone. This is the current path which doesn't work..

AT4Re.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/database_drivers/"all database
drivers.Bundle"

And this is the addition that I copied and pasted
"dbpostgresql/Contents/MacOS/dbpostgresql"

Total path of folders and files

AT4Re.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/database_drivers/dbpostgresql/Contents/Ma
cOS/dbpostgresql

Looks like something is wrong just don?t know what.
Hershel
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 
> 
> On 20 May 2007, at 23:23, Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
>> On 5/18/07 6:35 AM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Down loaded a clean new download 2.8.1 and it doesn't work. The most
>> interesting thing is that the report it gives that it doesn't find the
>> oracle and the valentina driver and the postgres doesn?t work.
>> Hershel
>> 
>>> Hiya,
>>> 
>>> Did you do a fresh install or an update from the 'Help/Check for
>>> Updates' menu?
>>> I noticed some of the folders got re-jigged.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Luis.
>>> 
>>> On 17 May 2007, at 23:48, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could
>>>> connect to
>>>> a database in a standalone (postgres in my case) is by manually
>>>> coping the
>>>> standalone database library from version 2.7 into the database
>>>> external
>>>> folder of the standalone application.
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Hershel
>>>> 
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From wjm at wjm.org  Mon May 21 19:50:39 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:50:39 -0400
Subject: Multi-CD installer
References: <46521F5F.5020401@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <f2tb8e$u5a$1@sea.gmane.org>

Richard,

> 1. How do I eject the first CD on Windows?

I think it's MCISendString...

http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/multimed/htm/_win32_multimedia_commands.asp

aka

http://tinyurl.com/34fcam

I think the command to send is "MCI_SET_DOOR_OPEN" but the syntax and 
whatnot I'm not sure about. Hope this gives you a start... 





From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Mon May 21 20:02:45 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 01:02:45 +0100
Subject: Multi-CD installer
In-Reply-To: <46521F5F.5020401@fourthworld.com>
References: <46521F5F.5020401@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <8DC83A76-D990-4351-A7E7-FBAF37E2A27E@anachreon.co.uk>

I'd opt for a pop-up asking the user to eject the CD manually or  
click 'OK' to eject the CD, you never know where that's going to pop  
out!
I've heard of a side mounted PC where the CD rolled off into the bin,  
closely followed by the coffee (startled or attempt to catch CD?).
Of course, the CD survived, but that's not the point...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 21 May 2007, at 23:38, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I may need to write a multi-CD installer, which leaves me with two  
> question:
>
> 1. How do I eject the first CD on Windows?
>
> 2. Anyone know if there will be a problem trying to remove the  
> first CD since that's the one the app is running from?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From scott at cdroo.com  Mon May 21 20:30:33 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:30:33 +1000
Subject: Multi-CD installer
References: <46521F5F.5020401@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <001701c79c08$6afff820$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>

>I may need to write a multi-CD installer, which leaves me with two 
>question:
>
> 1. How do I eject the first CD on Windows?

Not Rev code, but maybe you can adapt it 
http://www.efg2.com/Lab/Library/UseNet/1999/0305a.txt

> 2. Anyone know if there will be a problem trying to remove the first CD 
> since that's the one the app is running from?

I would have thought the app would be in RAM (have not tried this) and 
therefore quite capable of continuing.  However - why not just copy the 
installer to the Windows Temp folder and then clean up when you are 
finished?

Scott Kane
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a 
little way past them into the impossible."
Arthur C Clarke 



From scott at cdroo.com  Mon May 21 20:43:10 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:43:10 +1000
Subject: VirtualStore location
References: <a06020400c2723fdfc0fe@[192.168.2.38]><20070520163711441763.bcc582d5@sonsothunder.com>	<a06020400c27681e6e50a@[192.168.2.38]><000e01c79b48$b82aed00$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<a06020400c277d289cb1b@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <002801c79c0a$2e02f420$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Shari" <shari at gypsyware.com>

> Actually I didn't want to write to it, but to delete any VirtualStore 
> files that MS created if a user decides to uninstall my software using my 
> custom built (Rev menu item) uninstaller.  Right now, the Uninstaller 
> looks for files the game may have created outside the game folder, and if 
> they exist, deletes them.

Ah - I see.  Well it's going to be a tough job to achieve it. <g>   I know 
some people who may know something alon these lines in the ASP.  I'll ask in 
their technical newsgroup and see what it said.  May take a few days though, 
and know promises of success.  ;-)

> With Windows becoming more and more nitpicky about what files you can 
> update, my next release won't create or update any files or stacks in the 
> program's folder any more.  All files, including stacks that get updated, 
> will be installed in a hopefully writeable location.  During initial 
> launch, it will check several SpecialFolderPath() options to see if they 
> exist, and the first hit it finds, that's where the files will go.    But 
> it means more files to Uninstall.....

That's the best way to go.  Which reminds me of something that I'll ask in 
another thread "Code Signing".

> Mac is so clean.  I have so few troubles on Macs.  Microsnot is a bugger 
> :-)

LOL!   I understand your feelings.  XP drops my ADSL connection as and when 
it feels like it, quite random.  My Mac connects and never gives me a 
problem. :-)

Scott Kane
Scott Kane
"There are two ways of being deceived.  One is to believe that which is not
true.  The other is to not believe that which is true." S?ren Aabye
Kierkegaard




From scott at cdroo.com  Mon May 21 20:54:21 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:54:21 +1000
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
Message-ID: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

This pertains to people using Rev to build Windows Stand Alones.....

In XP SP2 Microsoft started warning you that a download may be unsafe and in 
the dialog box you get when you open the downloaded file you are warned that 
it's probably not a good idea to use software from suppliers who are not 
"Trusted"   If you haven't seen it has a big red icon shield telling you the 
software has no digital signature and tells you it is from an "unknown" 
publisher.  It's quite threatening.  If the file is signed then you get a 
nice yellow shield, some warnings but the companies information is displayed 
(the software company from whom you downloaded the file from) in summary and 
it all looks much safer.  Now - some claim this is just a "Microsoft Tax" as 
they license the signing technology to the likes of Verisign (of whom they 
own a large chunk) and Comodo etc.  However in Vista the messages look even 
nastier and I am pretty sure that this will become even uglier in SP's of 
Vista yet to come.

I sign my executables (installers and program or stand alones) having 
purchased a certificate.  My question is how many people here sign there 
executables?  Would you be interested in an article in the Revolution 
newsletter about code signing (and how to get a hefty discount on your 
certificate....) ?

Scott Kane
"Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start
today and make a new ending." -- Maria Robinson 



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Mon May 21 21:32:23 2007
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:32:23 -0400
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
Message-ID: <A3B30BBE-C762-447A-9522-DF655FD365C1@wehostmacs.com>

Start writing the article :-)


From shari at gypsyware.com  Mon May 21 21:43:01 2007
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:43:01 -0400
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <a06020400c277fa9a2f34@[192.168.2.38]>

>I sign my executables (installers and program or stand alones) 
>having purchased a certificate.  My question is how many people here 
>sign there executables?  Would you be interested in an article in 
>the Revolution newsletter about code signing (and how to get a hefty 
>discount on your certificate....) ?
>
>Scott Kane

I have not yet taken the leap.  Pretty much figured that for the 
moment, most Winfolk recognize it for what it is.  Most of my sales 
have come from Macfolk.  Though I must confess, Winsales have dropped 
a lot these past few months.  Connection?  Dunno.

I guess this means I need to sign up for the Rev newsletter if I want 
to read the article ;-)

Shari
-- 
Gypsy King games for
MAC and WlND0WS
http://www.gypsyware.com


From shari at gypsyware.com  Mon May 21 22:02:31 2007
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:02:31 -0400
Subject: VirtualStore location
In-Reply-To: <002801c79c0a$2e02f420$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <a06020400c2723fdfc0fe@[192.168.2.38]><20070520163711441763.bcc582d5@sonso
	thunder.com>
	<a06020400c27681e6e50a@[192.168.2.38]><000e01c79b48$b82aed00$0201010a@esbg
	di9s3atqpx>	<a06020400c277d289cb1b@[192.168.2.38]>
	<002801c79c0a$2e02f420$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <a06020402c277fd00bf2e@[192.168.2.38]>

>Ah - I see.  Well it's going to be a tough job to achieve it. <g> 
>I know some people who may know something alon these lines in the 
>ASP.  I'll ask in their technical newsgroup and see what it said. 
>May take a few days though, and know promises of success.  ;-)

No hurry.  My next update will take a bit more than a few days to finish :-)

It isn't a critical issue, except that I've prided my software in the 
ability to fully uninstall itself, even the parts that the OS 
creates.  Not nice leaving garbage behind.

I didn't know you were a Rev user.  I recognize you from the best 
shareware newsgroup on the net.  I visit there sometimes, though not 
nearly often enough.

So a double hello to you, Scott :-)

Shari
-- 
Gypsy King games for
MAC and WlND0WS
http://www.gypsyware.com


From scott at cdroo.com  Mon May 21 22:08:30 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:08:30 +1000
Subject: VirtualStore location
References: <a06020400c2723fdfc0fe@[192.168.2.38]><20070520163711441763.bcc582d5@sonsothunder.com><a06020400c27681e6e50a@[192.168.2.38]><000e01c79b48$b82aed00$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>	<a06020400c277d289cb1b@[192.168.2.38]><002801c79c0a$2e02f420$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<a06020402c277fd00bf2e@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <00a801c79c16$1a64b690$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Shari" <shari at gypsyware.com>

> No hurry.  My next update will take a bit more than a few days to finish 
> :-)

I certainly can identify with that!  :-)

> It isn't a critical issue, except that I've prided my software in the 
> ability to fully uninstall itself, even the parts that the OS creates. 
> Not nice leaving garbage behind.

Yes.  It's become trickier to achieve this.

> I didn't know you were a Rev user.  I recognize you from the best 
> shareware newsgroup on the net.  I visit there sometimes, though not 
> nearly often enough.
>
> So a double hello to you, Scott :-)

Which one?  <g>   There's alt.comp.shareware,  comp.software.shareware.* 
(where I'm moderator),  the ASP, AISIP, the OISV <g>

Scott Kane
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C Clarke 



From scott at cdroo.com  Mon May 21 22:08:54 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:08:54 +1000
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
References: <A3B30BBE-C762-447A-9522-DF655FD365C1@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <00ab01c79c16$286db340$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> Start writing the article :-)

OK.  Sounds like a plan.  :-)

Scott Kane
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a 
little way past them into the impossible."
Arthur C Clarke 



From scott at cdroo.com  Mon May 21 22:11:20 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:11:20 +1000
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<a06020400c277fa9a2f34@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <00ac01c79c16$7f67a160$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Shari" <shari at gypsyware.com>

> I have not yet taken the leap.  Pretty much figured that for the moment, 
> most Winfolk recognize it for what it is.  Most of my sales have come from 
> Macfolk.  Though I must confess, Winsales have dropped a lot these past 
> few months.  Connection?  Dunno.

I doubt signing is killing your sales markedly (if at all) yet.  But I do 
believe that in time it will because MS seem hell bent on "making it so".

> I guess this means I need to sign up for the Rev newsletter if I want to 
> read the article ;-)

The articles are stored online on RR's site.  But I really do recommend 
subscribing.  They always have something cool that is Rev related and you 
can't have to much Rev related information.  :-)

Scott Kane
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come."  Victor Hugo 



From wjm at wjm.org  Mon May 21 23:29:33 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:29:33 -0400
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org>

Scott,

> I sign my executables (installers and program or stand alones) having 
> purchased a certificate.  My question is how many people here sign there 
> executables?  Would you be interested in an article in the Revolution 
> newsletter about code signing (and how to get a hefty discount on your 
> certificate....) ?

The topic of code signing has come up multiple times before, so I would have 
to say, "Yes!" 





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon May 21 23:56:09 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:56:09 -0700
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
Message-ID: <465269D9.4060406@fourthworld.com>

Shari wrote:
>> I sign my executables (installers and program or stand alones) 
>> having purchased a certificate.  My question is how many people here 
>> sign there executables?  Would you be interested in an article in 
>> the Revolution newsletter about code signing (and how to get a hefty 
>> discount on your certificate....) ?
>>
>> Scott Kane
> 
> I have not yet taken the leap.  Pretty much figured that for the 
> moment, most Winfolk recognize it for what it is.  Most of my sales 
> have come from Macfolk.  Though I must confess, Winsales have dropped 
> a lot these past few months.  Connection?  Dunno.
> 
> I guess this means I need to sign up for the Rev newsletter if I want 
> to read the article ;-)

Or maybe he'd consider adding it to the revJournal repository:

<http://www.revjournal.com>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 22 00:27:31 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:27:31 -0500
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <46527133.4020003@hyperactivesw.com>

Bill Marriott wrote:
> Scott,
> 
>> I sign my executables (installers and program or stand alones) having 
>> purchased a certificate.  My question is how many people here sign there 
>> executables?  Would you be interested in an article in the Revolution 
>> newsletter about code signing (and how to get a hefty discount on your 
>> certificate....) ?
> 
> The topic of code signing has come up multiple times before, so I would have 
> to say, "Yes!" 

Since all our apps are made with the same engine, I wonder if it would 
be possible for RR to get a certificate and let all of us use it. Would 
MS go for that? Maybe this could be a perk for Enterprise users or a 
small fee for Studio users.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue May 22 00:54:51 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:54:51 -0700
Subject: Calculating Numbers
Message-ID: <C277C5AB.2626E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Being math challenged as I am, I'm wondering if any of the math experts out
there can explain how to increase the value of a variable by a progressively
decreasing amount.  I believe this might be referred to as logarithmic
change(?).

In any event, I want to start with a base number, say 75, and add
progressively decreasing values to the base in a specified number of steps
until I reach 255.
For example (maybe about 20 steps):

75
-- 18
93
-- 17
110
-- 16
126
-- 15
141
-- 14
154
-- 13
. . .
. . .
. . .
240
-- 5
245
-- 4
249
-- 3
252
-- 2
254
-- 1
255

I'm sure there's a formula for this but it's been years for me...  Thanks
for any suggestions.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May 22 01:04:52 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:04:52 -0700
Subject: Decoding a vCard...
In-Reply-To: <C2773254.D715%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
References: <C2773254.D715%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <37187341362.20070521220452@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

Monday, May 21, 2007, 7:26:12 AM, you wrote:

> I used Mark Weider's archive search but didn't come up with any hits on
> vObject or vCard.  Does that search work or is there a better one?  His
> looks pretty good... Jim

Thanks. Are you using the latest version? What search engines did you
have selected (under prefs)? I'd suggest ignoring google - their
search engine has gotten pretty dismal at dealing with the archives.

...and it seems that lately gmane has changed their interface, so I'll
probably have to craft a new version to keep up with it. But if you
select Nabble and/or MailArchive you should get pretty good results.
I'm handing off searches to search engines, so I can't give any better
results than they give me.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May 22 01:14:28 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:14:28 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <C277AB30.4E27A%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <C277AB30.4E27A%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <168187916699.20070521221428@ahsoftware.net>

Kevin-

I want to add my thanks for clearing this up as well. As I've
mentioned, OS9 support isn't on the list of things I need, but I
certainly note the interest of others here. I think one of the main
things that would benefit folks who need to deploy to OS9 would be
support for the "new" file format, which would enable one to work on a
single code base instead of having to maintain two or convert.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May 22 01:22:54 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:22:54 -0700
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
In-Reply-To: <000d01c79bec$b09db0a0$0132a8c0@workshop>
References: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop><17761388602.20070520110540@ahsoftware.net><000401c79b0d$c2ffe9a0$0a01a8c0@workshop><61101320931.20070520221112@ahsoftware.net><001801c79bc7$202855e0$0a01a8c0@workshop>
	<f2suv4$8e1$1@sea.gmane.org> <000d01c79bec$b09db0a0$0132a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <132188423088.20070521222254@ahsoftware.net>

Camm29-

Monday, May 21, 2007, 2:12:05 PM, you wrote:

> Should Rev have locked up in that way ?? , other applications did not ?
> Shall I remove the report ???

Well, here's my two cents:

My guess is that the lockup was in the virtual driver rather than in
tha calling code, so I'd close this one as resolved | not a bug, but
I'd also put a comment in as to what the problem really was and what
you did to solve it. That way when someone searches through the bug
database in the future after stumbling on something similar (don't
worry - it'll happen) the note will be there and provide some guidance
for solving their problem.

I still want more control over the serial port settings, but that's
another matter entirely...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From bvlahos at mac.com  Tue May 22 01:23:51 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:51 -0700
Subject: Decoding a vCard...
In-Reply-To: <C275D1C0.D6B5%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
References: <C275D1C0.D6B5%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <FBD60589-426B-4896-B36B-5EDB643563BC@mac.com>

I have a working vCARD import and export but it isn't in a form I can  
easily post at the moment. It isn't too difficult to do but it is  
tedious. I have it working with the Address Books on both Mac and  
Windows but I have not tried it with any other program that does  
vCARDs yet. Note that Apple uses v3 of the vCARD format while  
Microsoft uses version 2 for XP and earlier (I have not looked at  
Vista's version). Even though Windows uses version 2 it appears to be  
able to import version 3 so that is what I export.

Since vCARDs are just text files it is pretty simple to see how they  
are constructed.

I hope to release a sample stack after I release this new product I'm  
working on but that probably won't happen for a few months.

Andre's stack is pretty elegant and it contains a great reference to  
what the vCARD and vCAL standard formats are.
http://www.soapdog.org/vObjectPackage.rev

Bill Vlahos

On May 20, 2007, at 6:21 AM, Jim Carwardine wrote:

> Has anyone created a snippet that will decode a vCard?  I'd like to
> selectively transfer certain contacts from Entourage to an in-house
> browser-based app... Jim
> -- 
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>> engages THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
>
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From kee at kagi.com  Tue May 22 01:26:58 2007
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:26:58 -0700
Subject: Calculating Numbers
In-Reply-To: <C277C5AB.2626E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C277C5AB.2626E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <BFA44D3D-F9A3-48FC-9EAD-53217F1CD249@kagi.com>

When you say

>
> start with a base number, say 75, and add

You mean base as in the starting number and not base as in base16 or  
base24 or base75?

If that's the case:

put 75 into theNum
repeat with x = 18 down to 1
    add x to theNum
    if theNum > 254 then
       exit repeat
    end if
end repeat
put theNum

Kee


From revolution at jaedworks.com  Mon May 21 19:04:46 2007
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:04:46 -0700
Subject: New date stuff: am I doing something wrong?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705180420y4ef7b2e6gf5df9cee3c09e181@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705180117q774187cap86737135ff2b6c48@mail.gmail.com>
	<C7295130-97AC-4A72-9A15-C2F70FE4F7DA@maseurope.net>
	<c1c5836b0705180420y4ef7b2e6gf5df9cee3c09e181@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06210278c277d5cd4c6d@[66.93.39.98]>

At 12:20 PM +0100 5/18/2007, David Bovill wrote:
>Ah - so that definitely is a bug :) Should be american date no? So there is
>no way of taking a date in english - lets say Scottish format and converting
>it as we cannot assume the user settings... ok so I guess I have to script
>it. Funny I thought those yanks would of objected to being called english :)


It's for historical reasons: HyperCard called that format the english 
date. (Probably because the engineers were thinking in terms of 
English versus other languages such as Spanish - that is, localized 
systems - instead of in terms of England versus the US.)
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue May 22 01:49:19 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:49:19 -0700
Subject: Calculating Numbers
In-Reply-To: <BFA44D3D-F9A3-48FC-9EAD-53217F1CD249@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <C277D26F.2628E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, kee nethery wrote:

>> start with a base number, say 75, and add
> 
> You mean base as in the starting number and not base as in base16 or
> base24 or base75?

Yes, a starting number.  Thanks for helping me clarify what I'm after.  I
looking to calculate the value to be added in each step to get from 75 to
255 in a predetermined number of steps.


> put 75 into theNum
> repeat with x = 18 down to 1
>     add x to theNum
>     if theNum > 254 then
>        exit repeat
>     end if
> end repeat
> put theNum

Unfortunately, this won't work as the goal is to end at a specified value
(in this case 255) and having the final step value equal to 1.  The number
of steps could change.

In other words, say I start with 75 and I know I want to have 30 steps
between 75 and 255 that get progressively smaller down to 1. How I determine
the value of each step?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue May 22 03:18:19 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:18:19 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <4652993B.000001.02912@MAZYTIS>

I'm interested. Write it, please :-). 
 
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Scott Kane 
Date: 05/22/07 03:54:20 
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com 
Subject: Code Signing Anyone? 
 
This pertains to people using Rev to build Windows Stand Alones..... 
 
In XP SP2 Microsoft started warning you that a download may be unsafe and in

the dialog box you get when you open the downloaded file you are warned that

it's probably not a good idea to use software from suppliers who are not 
"Trusted" If you haven't seen it has a big red icon shield telling you the 
software has no digital signature and tells you it is from an "unknown" 
publisher. It's quite threatening. If the file is signed then you get a 
nice yellow shield, some warnings but the companies information is displayed

(the software company from whom you downloaded the file from) in summary and

it all looks much safer. Now - some claim this is just a "Microsoft Tax" as 
they license the signing technology to the likes of Verisign (of whom they 
own a large chunk) and Comodo etc. However in Vista the messages look even 
nastier and I am pretty sure that this will become even uglier in SP's of 
Vista yet to come. 
 
I sign my executables (installers and program or stand alones) having 
purchased a certificate. My question is how many people here sign there 
executables? Would you be interested in an article in the Revolution 
newsletter about code signing (and how to get a hefty discount on your 
certificate....) ? 
 
Scott Kane 
"Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start 
today and make a new ending." -- Maria Robinson 
 
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From martinblackman at gmail.com  Tue May 22 03:33:00 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:33:00 +0800
Subject: Calculating Numbers
In-Reply-To: <C277D26F.2628E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <BFA44D3D-F9A3-48FC-9EAD-53217F1CD249@kagi.com>
	<C277D26F.2628E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70705220033ke513ab5xc64b30c3cdfef14e@mail.gmail.com>

Simplest suggestion is an arithmetic series
Each term of the series increases (or decreases) by a constant amount

You need the series to sum to 180 (to go from 75 to 255)
For n terms the sum is 0.5*n*(a[1]+a[n])
Therefore for 30 terms, a[30]=12-a[1]
Also, a[n]=a[1]+d*(n-1) where d is the constant increment
Therefore a[30]=a[1]+29*d
and thus d=(12-2*a[1])/29

There is an infinite variety of starting numbers and increments to get
you to the final destination.  For example, pick a[1]=11, then d=
-0.3448. Or pick d=-1, then a[1]=20.5.  But there is a caveat in that
your terms can go negative, I presume you want to keep them positive
so you need to have
a[30]=12-a[1]>0
ie, a[1]<12

regards,
Martin

P.S., mathworld.wolfram.com is your friend for anything like this


>
> In other words, say I start with 75 and I know I want to have 30 steps
> between 75 and 255 that get progressively smaller down to 1. How I determine
> the value of each step?


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 03:39:06 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 00:39:06 -0700
Subject: Calculating Numbers
In-Reply-To: <C277C5AB.2626E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C277EC2A.46482%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

my first thoughts would be
---how often is this ocurring?
---is it tied to a user-feedback event (eg. mouse move, scroll change)
---do you have to keep changing it in the design process
---are you limited to integers or can there be real numbers

Your example describes a linear "arithmetic progression", but you might want
a logarithmic one instead (like easing in a bead movement :-) in a cool
stack that someone wrote... gee I wonder who.)

If your desire is linear, are you trying to determine the number of
increments of a fixed size to get to the goal, or the size of the increment
to use 20 steps?

If your desire is logarithmic, then the size of the increment keeps changing
until the goal is met (in your case, gets smaller) so you need to determine
the rate of change.

Of course a simplistic approach is to do

put 75 into totalAmt
put 18 into startVal
put 255 into endVal

repeat with val = 18 down to 1
   add val to totalAmt
   if totalAmt >= endVal then
      put endVal into totalAmt
     exit repeat
   end if
   --do something with this new totalAmt
end repeat
if totalAmt < endVal then
   answer "not enough marbles to get to the goal"
end if
-->we have reached the endVal
--nothing more to do


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/21/07 9:54 PM, "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Being math challenged as I am, I'm wondering if any of the math experts out
> there can explain how to increase the value of a variable by a progressively
> decreasing amount.  I believe this might be referred to as logarithmic
> change(?).
> 
> In any event, I want to start with a base number, say 75, and add
> progressively decreasing values to the base in a specified number of steps
> until I reach 255.
> For example (maybe about 20 steps):
> 
> 75
> -- 18
> 93
> -- 17
> 110
> -- 16
> 126
> -- 15
> 141
> -- 14
> 154
> -- 13
> . . .
> . . .
> . . .
> 240
> -- 5
> 245
> -- 4
> 249
> -- 3
> 252
> -- 2
> 254
> -- 1
> 255
> 
> I'm sure there's a formula for this but it's been years for me...  Thanks
> for any suggestions.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> 
> 
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Tue May 22 04:58:09 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:58:09 +0100
Subject: Browser Sampler: Crashing on 2.8.1 in the IDE
In-Reply-To: <34658B99-011F-4C9C-9001-F8ADDA86CDB9@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <OF4B680141.9E4C892B-ON852572DF.006F0DAC-852572DF.006E21BD@sealedair.com>
	<D14A02DF-D7E3-4D92-B118-03FAEE3F7418@anachreon.co.uk>
	<89A1A917-4F95-4081-AA33-CA6583EECA38@free.fr>
	<A5B3F84C-CCA6-4335-971A-2E6BD6AB529C@anachreon.co.uk>
	<6DFFB25A-1ABF-4F0F-85FA-68333FFF5ED3@free.fr>
	<34658B99-011F-4C9C-9001-F8ADDA86CDB9@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B50FC673-102C-4945-B764-835787B10C1C@anachreon.co.uk>

Tried it out again and it works, no crash.

I still have the crash log, I hope this is not an intermittent issue!

Cheers,

Luis.


On 21 May 2007, at 16:32, Luis wrote:

> That's weird. Weird, weird, weird...!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>
>
> On 21 May 2007, at 10:22, Thierry wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>> Well, that's that theory down the toilet!
>>> Cheers,
>>> Luis.
>>
>> GOOD NEWS !
>>
>> Did a second try to the Browser Sampler this morning .....
>>  and now It works !
>> So, no more crash ( half an hour of intensive Internet navigation )
>> and did nothing specific consciously to make it work ?????
>>
>> Regards,
>> Thierry
>>
>>
>>>>> Oh Essex 10.4.9
>>>>>
>>>>> Judging from Devin Asay's post this may point to a processor  
>>>>> issue, as his worked ok on an Intel box, whereas Thierry's  
>>>>> crashed too (assuming PowerPC as he didn't mention otherwise).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did try on MacBook  ( Intel Core 2 Duo ) / Mac OSX 10.4.9 / 2  
>>>> GRam
>>>>
>>>> Didn't do anything special, only walk through the Demo....
>>>> and stay playing  with the google link.... but it crashes quite  
>>>> quickly ( the last 2 pages )
>>>> Sorry, no time to investigate more precisely  at the moment.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> thierry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Luis.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It loads ok, but then crashes: It renders the page and then a  
>>>>>>> couple
>>>>>>> of seconds later boom!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Luis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Windows XP, the page begins to load, but then presents an  
>>>>>> error dialog
>>>>>> that says there is a problem executing scripts on this page,  
>>>>>> then it loads
>>>>>> and looks normal. Probably just badly formed javascript.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What platform is experiencing the crash?
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Tue May 22 05:57:24 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:57:24 +0100
Subject: Externals database
In-Reply-To: <C277A86C.28C2%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C277A86C.28C2%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <D4EF1CE0-971C-42ED-A90C-FD129F21F21D@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Have you tried messing with:

revSetDatabaseDriverPath "../drivers/"
revSetDatabaseDriverPath the defaultFolder

My current setup for the driver is: Revolution Studio/2.8.1-gm-1/ 
Externals/Database Drivers whilst in the IDE, I haven't run the new  
version on my current project as a standalone yet, I've got quite a  
bit of debugging to do.

I did create a  separate db as a standalone, and I get the following  
errors:

1	MacOS, database driver file not found: "/Applications/Revolution  
Studio/2.8.1-gm-1/Runtime/Mac OS X/Universal/Externals/Database  
Drivers/dboracle.bundle"
2	MacOS, database driver file not found: "/Applications/Revolution  
Studio/2.8.1-gm-1/Runtime/Mac OS X/Universal/Externals/Database  
Drivers/VXCMD_macho.bundle"

This saves ok and is not an issue as I don't plan on using those  
databases.

Ran a test and it connects ok.

Any changes on your end?

Cheers,

Luis.



On 22 May 2007, at 00:50, Hershel Fisch wrote:

> On 5/21/07 11:37 AM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi and thanks,
>
>> I've brought my project into the current build, and I can connect to
>> PostgreSQL fine.
>>
>> Which version of PostgreSQL are you using?
>
> my PostgreSQL is from http://www.entropy.ch/home/welcome.php
> For mac precompiled.
>
>> I'm using: http://www.postgresqlformac.com (if you decide to go this
>> route, backup your db and uninstall it, then install PostgreSQL for
>> Mac).
>>
>> Have you moved the db? Can you connect to it with any other client?
>> Have you changed the port?
>
> Ok, it works with RR ide without a problem but if I build a  
> standalone it
> doesn't connect unless I paste the runtime file copied from version  
> 2.7.1
> into the standalone. This is the current path which doesn't work..
>
> AT4Re.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/database_drivers/"all database
> drivers.Bundle"
>
> And this is the addition that I copied and pasted
> "dbpostgresql/Contents/MacOS/dbpostgresql"
>
> Total path of folders and files
>
> AT4Re.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/database_drivers/dbpostgresql/ 
> Contents/Ma
> cOS/dbpostgresql
>
> Looks like something is wrong just don?t know what.
> Hershel
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Luis.
>>
>>
>> On 20 May 2007, at 23:23, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/18/07 6:35 AM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Down loaded a clean new download 2.8.1 and it doesn't work. The most
>>> interesting thing is that the report it gives that it doesn't  
>>> find the
>>> oracle and the valentina driver and the postgres doesn?t work.
>>> Hershel
>>>
>>>> Hiya,
>>>>
>>>> Did you do a fresh install or an update from the 'Help/Check for
>>>> Updates' menu?
>>>> I noticed some of the folders got re-jigged.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Luis.
>>>>
>>>> On 17 May 2007, at 23:48, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could
>>>>> connect to
>>>>> a database in a standalone (postgres in my case) is by manually
>>>>> coping the
>>>>> standalone database library from version 2.7 into the database
>>>>> external
>>>>> folder of the standalone application.
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Hershel
>>>>>
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From jc at spl21.net  Tue May 22 06:21:32 2007
From: jc at spl21.net (John Craig)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:21:32 +0100
Subject: Calculating Numbers
In-Reply-To: <C277C5AB.2626E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C277C5AB.2626E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <4652C42C.6050703@spl21.net>

The following might be of some use - or even tweakable;

go stack URL "http://www.molekular.co.uk/tmp/seriesTest.rev"

JC


Scott Rossi wrote:
> Being math challenged as I am, I'm wondering if any of the math experts out
> there can explain how to increase the value of a variable by a progressively
> decreasing amount.  I believe this might be referred to as logarithmic
> change(?).
>
> In any event, I want to start with a base number, say 75, and add
> progressively decreasing values to the base in a specified number of steps
> until I reach 255.
> For example (maybe about 20 steps):
>
> 75
> -- 18
> 93
> -- 17
> 110
> -- 16
> 126
> -- 15
> 141
> -- 14
> 154
> -- 13
> . . .
> . . .
> . . .
> 240
> -- 5
> 245
> -- 4
> 249
> -- 3
> 252
> -- 2
> 254
> -- 1
> 255
>
> I'm sure there's a formula for this but it's been years for me...  Thanks
> for any suggestions.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
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>   




From shari at gypsyware.com  Tue May 22 06:57:38 2007
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 06:57:38 -0400
Subject: VirtualStore location
In-Reply-To: <00a801c79c16$1a64b690$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <a06020400c2723fdfc0fe@[192.168.2.38]><20070520163711441763.bcc582d5@sonso
	thunder.com><a06020400c27681e6e50a@[192.168.2.38]><000e01c79b48$b82aed00$0
	201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<a06020400c277d289cb1b@[192.168.2.38]><002801c79c0a$2e02f420$0201010a@esbg
	di9s3atqpx>	<a06020402c277fd00bf2e@[192.168.2.38]>
	<00a801c79c16$1a64b690$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <a06020400c2787ce7b936@[192.168.2.38]>

>Which one?  <g>   There's alt.comp.shareware, 
>comp.software.shareware.* (where I'm moderator),  the ASP, AISIP, 
>the OISV <g>
>
>Scott Kane

comp.software.shareware.*

Though I've been to alt as well.

Shari
-- 
Gypsy King games for
MAC and WlND0WS
http://www.gypsyware.com


From wjm at wjm.org  Tue May 22 07:02:27 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:02:27 -0400
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<46527133.4020003@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f2uik1$bo$1@sea.gmane.org>

Jacqui,

> Since all our apps are made with the same engine, I wonder if it would be 
> possible for RR to get a certificate and let all of us use it. Would MS go 
> for that? Maybe this could be a perk for Enterprise users or a small fee 
> for Studio users.

That's neither possible nor desirable.

It's not possible because the code signing takes into account a checksum for 
the whole .exe (along with other factors) and that is different with every 
application created, even though the embedded engine is the same.

It's not desirable because then any miscreant could download a trial copy of 
Rev, write the next great trojan horse virus malware spybot and it would 
appear to have been "signed" by Runtime Rev.

In Windows XP, unsigned applications aren't so bad. But the end user 
experience gets much worse under Windows Vista, especially with limited 
accounts and UAC active. Signing applications is something anyone who 
distributes on Windows should know about. I hope Scott writes up the 
article.

- Bill 





From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue May 22 07:31:43 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:31:43 +0100
Subject: [OT] Anyone heard anything about the Quartam???
In-Reply-To: <d4e.97f5106.338067bc@aol.com>
References: <d4e.97f5106.338067bc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <222631BF-E913-4D1F-A53B-598423E26948@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

We got the Beta Version Quartam of the PDF Library and having found  
it was good for our purposes, contacted Jan Schenkel and offered to  
buy the license right then. He said we'd have to wait until March for  
it to be released and extended the license.  He said he'd continue to  
extend the license until such times as it was released. We got a new  
library/license at the end April. Now's it May and it's expired again  
and I've been emailing Jan for a new license but he doesn't reply. We  
have a product to ship and the PDF section now obviously doesn't work!

So,if Jan read this or if anyone knows Jan's whereabouts or knows  
what has happened to him I'd be really grateful if you would contact me!

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue May 22 07:35:08 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:35:08 +0100
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <464CA27B.4060104@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <464C95B8.4050507@fourthworld.com>
	<E55CB579-DEF9-4FCF-875C-0399C1EDABFA@looktowindward.com>
	<464CA27B.4060104@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3304C621-5552-445D-B8E4-13DB9271D6D8@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I've been experimenting on and off with various work-arounds. So I  
thought I'd mention that "seek" has the same problem, you can't seek  
past the 2GB mark of the file.

All the Best
Dave

On 17 May 2007, at 19:44, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> Hi,
>> That's what I'm doing, but it's *way* too slow and crashes if you  
>> read too much data. I've got a 60+ GB file and need to read at  
>> "random" positions in the file. Moving from somewhere near the  
>> start to somewhere near the end takes minutes! The ironic thing is  
>> that the data I want to read when I get there is quite small!
>
> There is a limit to the total addressable RAM space that Rev can  
> use. It's 4 gigs on 32-bit systems, and 16P on 64-bit systems. I  
> believe that Rev works with 64-bit systems (for two reasons: they  
> said it would, and it is documented) so it may be that you are  
> reaching one of the limits. However, my brain cannot process how  
> large 16P is so I'm not sure. What's that in gigs?
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From shari at gypsyware.com  Tue May 22 07:37:30 2007
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:37:30 -0400
Subject: "Easy to use"
In-Reply-To: <4be051070705211134n49ecc095ye614fd73d934837a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <671938.77203.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4be051070705211134n49ecc095ye614fd73d934837a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a06020401c2787e6612e9@[192.168.2.38]>

One of the things that sold me on entering the computer world was the 
ability to create things.  I had absolutely no computer experience or 
knowledge, but a friend convinced me to buy a Mac and told me about 
Hypercard, and I wanted to try it.  The language being virtually the 
same through Hypercard, Metacard and now Revolution, yes..... it is 
easy to use.

Before migrating from Hypercard to Metacard I looked into the 
standard C languages and Pascal.  I bought several C language books 
and the best compiler available.  But in the end, ditched all the C 
stuff and bought Metacard, and now Revolution.  I didn't want to 
learn a new non-English language.  I liked the plain English of this 
language, where the code made sense.

on mouseUp.... highly understandable :-)  Sentences made up of 
non-alpha characters and non-English words did not appeal to me.

Yes, there's a lot to learn.  But compared to the alternatives, it is 
very easy.  Does it still stump me?  Lordy yes!  Do I still get 
gotchas that take days to unravel?  Lordy yes!  But if it were C... 
those days would likely be months.

:-)

Shari


>I suppose it depends upon the audience you are targetting.
>
>Variables shouldn't be a mystery for anyone who's had 7th grade
>algebra.  Thus, yes, an 11 y.o. might well need a bit of on-the-side
>counseling, but a 13 or 14 y.o. theoretically should, with perhaps a
>little support work, grasp the concept.  And, again, here would be the
>ideal opportunity to include little, *meaningful,* proof-of-concept
>stacks to use, reuse, and educate (I must admit I've not had the time
>yet to d/l 2.8, so maybe they're in there, after all).
>
>Rev's claim seems fair enough when compared with just about anything
>else that is comparable (in terms of what can be created with the
>language), no?
>
>As for 'anyone who hasn't used computers before,' well, I suspect that
>they're also not out there looking on the internet for programming
>environments.
>
>Judy


-- 
Gypsy King games for
MAC and WlND0WS
http://www.gypsyware.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 22 07:52:52 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:52:52 +0100
Subject: Controlling Rev apps from the command line?
Message-ID: <9CE02F7B-3C05-46B8-AD2E-D327728870AD@azurevision.co.uk>

Later this year I'll be adding batch processing to one of my  
applications. On OS X this will be via Ken's excellent custom AS  
Dictionary tip (http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ 
ascr006.htm).

Is there a similar way to control Rev standalones from the command  
line on OS X and Windows?

Ian


From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 22 08:11:53 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:11:53 +1000
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org><46527133.4020003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f2uik1$bo$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <00a001c79c6a$652a5cd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

Hi Bill, Jacqui and all,

> That's neither possible nor desirable.

Indeed.  It would be grounds for a cert to be pulled by the authenticator.

> It's not possible because the code signing takes into account a checksum 
> for the whole .exe (along with other factors) and that is different with 
> every application created, even though the embedded engine is the same.

Yep.  That's exactly right.  If it were even possible then every IDE 
developer on the planet would be issueing their programmer customers with 
cert's and that would make the cert's useless.  The whole point is to make 
each application unique, identifiable and trackable (a cert can be pulled by 
Microsoft or their authorized issuer which brings up an even nastier dialog 
box).  Each cert' applicant is verified manually (by a human) with human 
readable documentation.

> It's not desirable because then any miscreant could download a trial copy 
> of Rev, write the next great trojan horse virus malware spybot and it 
> would appear to have been "signed" by Runtime Rev.

Which is the whole point of the cert' as Bill rightly says.

> In Windows XP, unsigned applications aren't so bad. But the end user 
> experience gets much worse under Windows Vista, especially with limited 
> accounts and UAC active. Signing applications is something anyone who 
> distributes on Windows should know about. I hope Scott writes up the 
> article.

Judging by the reaction I'd say writing it is a go and I'm going to enquire 
about getting a special price for RR customers but I can't guarantee that so 
don't hold me to it as it will probably depend on the number of potential 
customers.   I'll get onto it this week and submit it to Heather etc and 
hopefully they'll publish it in the near future.  :-)

Scott Kane
"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is 
possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is 
impossible, he is very probably wrong."
Arthur C Clarke 



From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 22 08:23:55 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:23:55 +1000
Subject: "Easy to use"
References: <671938.77203.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com><4be051070705211134n49ecc095ye614fd73d934837a@mail.gmail.com>
	<a06020401c2787e6612e9@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <00a501c79c6c$12cb41a0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> One of the things that sold me on entering the computer world was the 
> ability to create things.  I had absolutely no computer experience or 
> knowledge, but a friend convinced me to buy a Mac and told me about 
> Hypercard, and I wanted to try it.  The language being virtually the same 
> through Hypercard, Metacard and now Revolution, yes..... it is easy to 
> use.

For me it was the one code base across multiple platforms.  I'd have been 
just as happy with C++, Pascal etc if the IDE's objects and code linked 
together at design time.  To be honest (and I think a lot of programmers 
coming from "traditional" languages and IDE's would find/feel the same) the 
whole concept stumped me.  The simplicity was so simple I couldn't get it 
and even until recently (after working on Windows stuff for six months in 
Delphi) I could not grok Rev as I was unacustomed to a whole different 
approach to problem solving and expression.  Then it hit me and suddenly it 
all came together and the stuff I write works first time (pretty much). 
There's stuff I'd like Rev to have that it doesn't have, but over time I've 
learned it can be made to do many of those things by thinking outside the 
box. Plus there are the excellent citizens on this email list. :-)

> Yes, there's a lot to learn.  But compared to the alternatives, it is very 
> easy.  Does it still stump me?  Lordy yes!  Do I still get gotchas that 
> take days to unravel?  Lordy yes!  But if it were C... those days would 
> likely be months.

That does depend on how much time you spend typing and compiling it. <g> 
Many years ago when DOS stood for Disk Operating System and not Denial of 
Service there was a little IDE called "Layout".  It produced the tiniest of 
binary program files (exe's), had the ability to use dll type libraries 
before Windows did and it was totally graphical (looked like Windows 3.1). 
There was *no code*.  It was done with objects and you connected them like a 
flowchart.  Objects where either "Black boxes" that were functions and 
procedures that you poked varialbles into or variables of types.  It was 
billed as the ultimate in easy to use - and it was once you "got it'. Sadly 
it disapeared when Windows 95 came out.

Scott Kane
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come."  Victor Hugo 



From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 22 08:25:31 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:25:31 +1000
Subject: VirtualStore location
References: <a06020400c2723fdfc0fe@[192.168.2.38]><20070520163711441763.bcc582d5@sonsothunder.com><a06020400c27681e6e50a@[192.168.2.38]><000e01c79b48$b82aed00$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><a06020400c277d289cb1b@[192.168.2.38]><002801c79c0a$2e02f420$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>	<a06020402c277fd00bf2e@[192.168.2.38]><00a801c79c16$1a64b690$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<a06020400c2787ce7b936@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <00ae01c79c6c$4c5972c0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> comp.software.shareware.*

Ah - you have taste.  :-)
 
> Though I've been to alt as well.

Yes.  But we shan't speak of that particular maelstrom! <g>

Scott Kane
"Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start 
today and make a new ending." -- Maria Robinson


From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 22 08:27:33 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:27:33 +1000
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
References: <465269D9.4060406@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <00b901c79c6c$95860da0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>

> Or maybe he'd consider adding it to the revJournal repository:
>
> <http://www.revjournal.com>

Hi Richard,

I'll do this one for RR if they accept it. However I have an idea for an 
article on RevJournal in mind and will get back to you privately.




From robmann at gp-racing.com  Tue May 22 09:40:17 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:40:17 -0400
Subject: printing two card same page?
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAL/vD7hml0pHhd/vnVCVhEoBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

I am trying to get two card printed on the same page one on top of page one
on bottom of page each in a rectangle "468,288" 6.5 x4

 

I can get each card printed out on own page but not able to figure out how
to print both on same page?

 

 



From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May 22 10:02:17 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:02:17 -0700
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <00a001c79c6a$652a5cd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org><46527133.4020003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f2uik1$bo$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<00a001c79c6a$652a5cd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <FA26FF9E-F1C2-4605-9F68-4509CAFDB492@cox.net>

So, right this minute, without a "cert", if I distribute an  
application for Windows on a CD or download from a website, what is  
the user's experience? Seems like just another one of M$'s ploys to  
make money on everything that goes into a Window's computer; but many  
times over. Rather astute strategy I should think. Just one more  
reason to dislike the Window's platform.

Joe Wilkins

On May 22, 2007, at 5:11 AM, Scott Kane wrote:

> Hi Bill, Jacqui and all,
>
>> That's neither possible nor desirable.
>
> Indeed.  It would be grounds for a cert to be pulled by the  
> authenticator.
>
>> It's not possible because the code signing takes into account a  
>> checksum for the whole .exe (along with other factors) and that is  
>> different with every application created, even though the embedded  
>> engine is the same.
>
> Yep.  That's exactly right.  If it were even possible then every  
> IDE developer on the planet would be issueing their programmer  
> customers with cert's and that would make the cert's useless.  The  
> whole point is to make each application unique, identifiable and  
> trackable (a cert can be pulled by Microsoft or their authorized  
> issuer which brings up an even nastier dialog box).  Each cert'  
> applicant is verified manually (by a human) with human readable  
> documentation.
>
>> It's not desirable because then any miscreant could download a  
>> trial copy of Rev, write the next great trojan horse virus malware  
>> spybot and it would appear to have been "signed" by Runtime Rev.
>
> Which is the whole point of the cert' as Bill rightly says.
>
>> In Windows XP, unsigned applications aren't so bad. But the end  
>> user experience gets much worse under Windows Vista, especially  
>> with limited accounts and UAC active. Signing applications is  
>> something anyone who distributes on Windows should know about. I  
>> hope Scott writes up the article.
>
> Judging by the reaction I'd say writing it is a go and I'm going to  
> enquire about getting a special price for RR customers but I can't  
> guarantee that so don't hold me to it as it will probably depend on  
> the number of potential customers.   I'll get onto it this week and  
> submit it to Heather etc and hopefully they'll publish it in the  
> near future.  :-)
>
> Scott Kane
> "When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something  
> is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that  
> something is impossible, he is very probably wrong."
> Arthur C Clarke
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From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 22 10:12:18 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 00:12:18 +1000
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org><46527133.4020003@hyperactivesw.com><f2uik1$bo$1@sea.gmane.org><00a001c79c6a$652a5cd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<FA26FF9E-F1C2-4605-9F68-4509CAFDB492@cox.net>
Message-ID: <00f001c79c7b$37b8d900$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> So, right this minute, without a "cert", if I distribute an  application 
> for Windows on a CD or download from a website, what is  the user's 
> experience? Seems like just another one of M$'s ploys to  make money on 
> everything that goes into a Window's computer; but many  times over. 
> Rather astute strategy I should think. Just one more  reason to dislike 
> the Window's platform.

They are intructed that the app is from and "unknown author" and are warned 
to be careful. It may well be a tax,   but I've already been aksed about it 
fom novies trying to install and getting the warning.  It's only matter  of 
time...

Scott Kane
"Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start
today and make a new ending." -- Maria Robinson 



From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May 22 10:23:14 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:23:14 -0700
Subject: printing two card same page?
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAL/vD7hml0pHhd/vnVCVhEoBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAL/vD7hml0pHhd/vnVCVhEoBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <0B9B4A92-C778-4849-9D07-4F6145ED6D1D@cox.net>

Robert, I'd create a temporary card onto which I could copy and paste  
each of the other cards, arranged so that they fit on a single page;  
then print the temp card; or some such tom-foolery. I'm doing  
something such as that right now, though I'm using images that  
replace the original contents of the card at print time, but I'm not  
having to provide enough area to accommodate the contents of two  
cards. It's just a matter of hiding and showing stuff at the right  
time. You could even use a temp or "print" stack with different size  
cards. Not extremely simple, but very doable in a short amount of time.

Joe Wilkins

On May 22, 2007, at 6:40 AM, Robert Mann wrote:

> I am trying to get two card printed on the same page one on top of  
> page one
> on bottom of page each in a rectangle "468,288" 6.5 x4
>
>
>
> I can get each card printed out on own page but not able to figure  
> out how
> to print both on same page?
>
>
>
>
>
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue May 22 11:30:52 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:30:52 -0500
Subject: printing two card same page?
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAL/vD7hml0pHhd/vnVCVhEoBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAL/vD7hml0pHhd/vnVCVhEoBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <46530CAC.6010900@siboneylg.com>

You can set the printGutters to specify how to arrange the two cards.

You need then do (warning, untested Revolution script):

*open printing (with dialog)
print card 1
print card 2
close printing*

You could also use

*open printing
print card 1 into /pageRect/
print card 2 into /pageRect/
close printing*

instead of using the printGutter to specify the exact rectangle into 
which to print each card.

Robert Mann wrote:
> I am trying to get two card printed on the same page one on top of page one
> on bottom of page each in a rectangle "468,288" 6.5 x4
>
>  
>
> I can get each card printed out on own page but not able to figure out how
> to print both on same page?
>
>  
>
>  
>
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From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue May 22 11:40:39 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:40:39 -0500
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <46530EF7.8020405@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Scott,

An article would be wonderful and greatly appreciated.  Especially if
you can show how to get a discount (as I'm sure the price is quite hefty
considering VeriSign's typically high prices).


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software

____________________________________________
Compress photos easily with JPEGCompress
www.dreamscapesoftware.com




Scott Kane wrote:
> This pertains to people using Rev to build Windows Stand Alones.....
> 
> In XP SP2 Microsoft started warning you that a download may be unsafe
> and in the dialog box you get when you open the downloaded file you are
> warned that it's probably not a good idea to use software from suppliers
> who are not "Trusted"   If you haven't seen it has a big red icon shield
> telling you the software has no digital signature and tells you it is
> from an "unknown" publisher.  It's quite threatening.  If the file is
> signed then you get a nice yellow shield, some warnings but the
> companies information is displayed (the software company from whom you
> downloaded the file from) in summary and it all looks much safer.  Now -
> some claim this is just a "Microsoft Tax" as they license the signing
> technology to the likes of Verisign (of whom they own a large chunk) and
> Comodo etc.  However in Vista the messages look even nastier and I am
> pretty sure that this will become even uglier in SP's of Vista yet to come.
> 
> I sign my executables (installers and program or stand alones) having
> purchased a certificate.  My question is how many people here sign there
> executables?  Would you be interested in an article in the Revolution
> newsletter about code signing (and how to get a hefty discount on your
> certificate....) ?
> 
> Scott Kane
> "Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start
> today and make a new ending." -- Maria Robinson
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 11:55:13 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 08:55:13 -0700
Subject: printing two card same page?
In-Reply-To: <0B9B4A92-C778-4849-9D07-4F6145ED6D1D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C2786071.464A9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

In a printing project I had to do with Rev I made a sub stack called "Print
Buddy" that held all the formatting and graphics needed, but not the
content.  My handlers merely gathered the content from the stack the users
saw, loaded the printing card in Print Buddy, adjusted positions, printed,
then returned to the main stack.

In my case, I achieved higher resolution placement of graphics by setting
the print scale to 50% and working on a card in 2x sizes.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




On 5/22/07 7:23 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> Robert, I'd create a temporary card onto which I could copy and paste
> each of the other cards, arranged so that they fit on a single page;
> then print the temp card; or some such tom-foolery. I'm doing
> something such as that right now, though I'm using images that
> replace the original contents of the card at print time, but I'm not
> having to provide enough area to accommodate the contents of two
> cards. It's just a matter of hiding and showing stuff at the right
> time. You could even use a temp or "print" stack with different size
> cards. Not extremely simple, but very doable in a short amount of time.
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 
> On May 22, 2007, at 6:40 AM, Robert Mann wrote:
> 
>> I am trying to get two card printed on the same page one on top of
>> page one
>> on bottom of page each in a rectangle "468,288" 6.5 x4
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I can get each card printed out on own page but not able to figure
>> out how
>> to print both on same page?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 12:12:39 2007
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:12:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Anyone heard anything about the Quartam???
In-Reply-To: <222631BF-E913-4D1F-A53B-598423E26948@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <100755.19920.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

Just a quick note that this was resolved off-list.
A full release announcement is around the corner.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


 
____________________________________________________________________________________
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Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV.
http://tv.yahoo.com/


From soapdog at mac.com  Tue May 22 12:58:53 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:58:53 -0300
Subject: [OT] Anyone heard anything about the Quartam???
In-Reply-To: <100755.19920.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <100755.19920.qm@web60519.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <825A9254-2F12-4B73-B989-9E342108715E@mac.com>

Jan,

again, thanks for the library, I think it is one of the best  
additions to the Rev communities ever!!!

:D
andre

On May 22, 2007, at 1:12 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Just a quick note that this was resolved off-list.
> A full release announcement is around the corner.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jan Schenkel.
>
> Quartam Reports for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
>
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same  
> time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
>
>
>
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From herndogy at sbcglobal.net  Tue May 22 13:06:24 2007
From: herndogy at sbcglobal.net (Dave Herndon)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:06:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Printing question
Message-ID: <95321.4134.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi, 
I am having an interesting problem.  Recently one of the computers on my network started getting a "Sorry for the Inconveniance but Revolution must shut down." message while attempting to execute the print code shown below on several printers available from that workstation.  The print job worked fine for the 6 months prior. The print process works fine on the computer in the adjacent work station on each of the available computers.  A reboot and closing all open applications does not help.  We are printing from a standalone built in rev 2.7.3 on windows PC's.  What do you think guys?  

answer printer
set the printmargins to 20,20,20,20 -- 2" on top and bottom
set the printScale to .75
print this card

I am stumped.
Dave

From Camm29 at tesco.net  Tue May 22 13:14:43 2007
From: Camm29 at tesco.net (Camm29)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:14:43 +0100
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
References: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop><17761388602.20070520110540@ahsoftware.net><000401c79b0d$c2ffe9a0$0a01a8c0@workshop><61101320931.20070520221112@ahsoftware.net><001801c79bc7$202855e0$0a01a8c0@workshop><f2suv4$8e1$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<000d01c79bec$b09db0a0$0132a8c0@workshop>
	<132188423088.20070521222254@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <001101c79c94$b40fb690$0a01a8c0@workshop>

Thank's that seems fair !

Camm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate


> Camm29-
>
> Monday, May 21, 2007, 2:12:05 PM, you wrote:
>
> > Should Rev have locked up in that way ?? , other applications did not ?
> > Shall I remove the report ???
>
> Well, here's my two cents:
>
> My guess is that the lockup was in the virtual driver rather than in
> tha calling code, so I'd close this one as resolved | not a bug, but
> I'd also put a comment in as to what the problem really was and what
> you did to solve it. That way when someone searches through the bug
> database in the future after stumbling on something similar (don't
> worry - it'll happen) the note will be there and provide some guidance
> for solving their problem.
>
> I still want more control over the serial port settings, but that's
> another matter entirely...
>
> --
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/807 - Release Date: 16/05/2007
18:05
>



From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue May 22 13:51:42 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 18:51:42 +0100
Subject: Send question???
In-Reply-To: <C2786071.464A9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2786071.464A9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D5D46CFB-02BE-4A23-B823-67A9A12BF942@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I've been looking through the docs for ages and I can't find how to  
do this simple thing!!!

All I want to do is to store the ID that is returned from the "send"  
command, e.g.

send "mouseUp" to me in 5 seconds

Where is the ID stored??

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue May 22 13:53:54 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:53:54 -0700
Subject: Send question???
In-Reply-To: <D5D46CFB-02BE-4A23-B823-67A9A12BF942@looktowindward.com>
References: <C2786071.464A9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<D5D46CFB-02BE-4A23-B823-67A9A12BF942@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c278de769d2f@[192.168.1.103]>

SEND whatever
put the result into pID

>Hi,
>
>I've been looking through the docs for ages and I can't find how to 
>do this simple thing!!!
>
>All I want to do is to store the ID that is returned from the "send" 
>command, e.g.
>
>send "mouseUp" to me in 5 seconds
>
>Where is the ID stored??
>
>Thanks a lot
>All the Best
>Dave

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue May 22 13:58:26 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:58:26 +0200
Subject: Send question???
In-Reply-To: <D5D46CFB-02BE-4A23-B823-67A9A12BF942@looktowindward.com>
References: <C2786071.464A9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<D5D46CFB-02BE-4A23-B823-67A9A12BF942@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <DEE3B6B2-795A-40A2-AB6A-A6EAB8BA8E70@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

Send "mouseUp" to me in 5 seconds
put the result into lCancelMouseUpID

Set lCancelID as a script local variable and if necessary:

   cancel lCancelMouseUpID
   -- will cancel the "mouseUp" pending message

Le 22 mai 07 ? 19:51, Dave a ?crit :

> Hi,
>
> I've been looking through the docs for ages and I can't find how to  
> do this simple thing!!!
>
> All I want to do is to store the ID that is returned from the  
> "send" command, e.g.
>
> send "mouseUp" to me in 5 seconds
>
> Where is the ID stored??
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
----------------------------------------------------------------




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 22 14:04:03 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:04:03 -0500
Subject: Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <3304C621-5552-445D-B8E4-13DB9271D6D8@looktowindward.com>
References: <464C95B8.4050507@fourthworld.com>	<E55CB579-DEF9-4FCF-875C-0399C1EDABFA@looktowindward.com>	<464CA27B.4060104@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3304C621-5552-445D-B8E4-13DB9271D6D8@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <46533093.1090103@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've been experimenting on and off with various work-arounds. So I 
> thought I'd mention that "seek" has the same problem, you can't seek 
> past the 2GB mark of the file.

Right. As I mentioned in the support note you sent (thanks for writing, 
by the way, it's the appropriate channel,) I'm waiting for Mark W. to 
come back so I can ask him. He's the only one who would know how the 
engine is reading large files. I've got your ticket open in the queue 
though so I can get back to you.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jeff at siphonophore.com  Tue May 22 14:34:10 2007
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:34:10 -0400
Subject: Answer dialog focus on OSX using mousedown call
In-Reply-To: <20070521225943.462F9489254@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070521225943.462F9489254@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9264E7F2-CE62-472B-8177-713F4E1CFCE0@siphonophore.com>

If i call and ask dialog from a mousedown handler, the ask dialog  
buttons in the dialog box does not appear to have the screen focus  
when its brought up so it takes two clicks to activate a button (ie  
one to bring the window into focus and the second to activate the  
button.) if i do the same call from a mouseup the ask dialog comes up  
with the proper focus.

any ideas of how to work around this so that it can be called from  
the mousedown handler? tried a lot of fiddles, but only calling the  
ask from a mouseup will make it work 100% of the time. appears to be  
something with the mouseup message from the button the ask dialog was  
called from stealing focus or the ask window after its brought up.

found this in 2.6.1, but apps built with 2.8 also do it.

cheers,

Jeffrey Reynolds



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May 22 14:43:56 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:43:56 -0700
Subject: WARNING BUG ! Rev fails to Communicate
References: <000e01c79af9$3dd37170$0a01a8c0@workshop><17761388602.20070520110540@ahsoftware.net><000401c79b0d$c2ffe9a0$0a01a8c0@workshop><61101320931.20070520221112@ahsoftware.net><001801c79bc7$202855e0$0a01a8c0@workshop><f2suv4$8e1$1@sea.gmane.org><000d01c79bec$b09db0a0$0132a8c0@workshop><132188423088.20070521222254@ahsoftware.net>
	<001101c79c94$b40fb690$0a01a8c0@workshop>
Message-ID: <f2vdlk$ce8$1@sea.gmane.org>

Camm29-

> Thank's that seems fair !


Your experience can always serve as a warning to others...

Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.
-- Jim Horning

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 22 14:56:47 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 19:56:47 +0100
Subject: revCopyFolder and long file names
In-Reply-To: <20070521235910511341.9632ff97@sonsothunder.com>
References: <7389C655-746A-4F7A-8D64-68B0667A1FCF@azurevision.co.uk>
	<99CBED26-C0E7-4BF0-9F0A-C2CB0B19A16F@azurevision.co.uk>
	<20070521235910511341.9632ff97@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <2599030C-3763-4FEE-9775-2C380E73E6CF@azurevision.co.uk>


On 21 May 2007, at 23:59, Ken Ray wrote:

> Actually the 'revCopyFolder' command uses AppleScript under the  
> hood to
> do its business, and this is why you get an 'execution error'. The
> problem is that Rev doesn't maintain the long file name as it is, but
> in its "hashed" state. This is something Rev can work with and not  
> have
> a problem with (which was the bugs that were fixed). The problem is
> that when the hashed path is put into an AppleScript statement,
> AppleScript chokes. So I'd suggest using my handy-dandy
> "stsLongFilePath" function:

This is with Rev 2.8.1, I've already got the long file name - your  
handler is returning exactly the same path that was passed to it, and  
revCopyFolder is still failing with an execution error. :-(

For now I'm using the shell workaround that Sean has added to the bug  
report.

Ian

> function stsLongFilePath pPath
>   switch (the platform)
>   case "MacOS"  -- assumes OS X
>     put "set tPath to" && quote & pPath & quote & cr & \
>         "set tPath to (POSIX file tPath) as string" & cr & \
>         "POSIX path of tPath" into tScript
>     do tScript as "AppleScript"
>     return (char 2 to -2 of the result)  -- strips quotes
>     break
>   case "Win32"
>     return the longFilePath of pPath
>     break
>   end switch
> end stsLongFilePath
>
> So you can then do:
>
>   revCopyFolder stsLongFilePath(tSrc),stsLongFilePath(tDest)
>
> And all should be well...  :-)


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 22 15:02:07 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:02:07 +0100
Subject: Answer dialog focus on OSX using mousedown call
In-Reply-To: <9264E7F2-CE62-472B-8177-713F4E1CFCE0@siphonophore.com>
References: <20070521225943.462F9489254@mail.runrev.com>
	<9264E7F2-CE62-472B-8177-713F4E1CFCE0@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <C26EE3C8-1B6D-46F4-9C67-B580879C09FD@azurevision.co.uk>

 From a GUI point of view, I'd be surprised if you could change focus  
like that during a mouseDown handler - when would you expect a dialog  
box to appear *before* releasing the mouse?

Ian

On 22 May 2007, at 19:34, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

> If i call and ask dialog from a mousedown handler, the ask dialog  
> buttons in the dialog box does not appear to have the screen focus  
> when its brought up so it takes two clicks to activate a button (ie  
> one to bring the window into focus and the second to activate the  
> button.)



From wjm at wjm.org  Tue May 22 15:23:31 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:23:31 -0400
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org><46527133.4020003@hyperactivesw.com><f2uik1$bo$1@sea.gmane.org><00a001c79c6a$652a5cd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<FA26FF9E-F1C2-4605-9F68-4509CAFDB492@cox.net>
Message-ID: <f2vfvh$lt4$1@sea.gmane.org>

Interesting theory, except Microsoft doesn't make any money off the process. 
The only cost associated with code signing is paying for the secure 
certificate, and that money goes to Verisign. It's no more of a money-making 
scheme than secure (https://) sites. The certificate simply ensures the 
source of the binary is who it says it is. Without certs, there is nothing 
to prevent you from making a download that says it's from Microsoft but 
actually wreaks havoc with an end-user's system.


"Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote in message 
news:FA26FF9E-F1C2-4605-9F68-4509CAFDB492 at cox.net...
> Seems like just another one of M$'s ploys to  make money on everything 
> that goes into a Window's computer; but many  times over. Rather astute 
> strategy I should think. Just one more  reason to dislike the Window's 
> platform.





From soapdog at mac.com  Tue May 22 15:34:03 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:34:03 -0300
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <f2vfvh$lt4$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org> <46527133.4020003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f2uik1$bo$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<00a001c79c6a$652a5cd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<FA26FF9E-F1C2-4605-9F68-4509CAFDB492@cox.net>
	<f2vfvh$lt4$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <A884A408-608A-459B-AD66-2572E185F6B7@mac.com>

can't we generate our own certs using openssl?

sorry, I don't understand much about this.

andre

On May 22, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:

> Interesting theory, except Microsoft doesn't make any money off the  
> process.
> The only cost associated with code signing is paying for the secure
> certificate, and that money goes to Verisign. It's no more of a  
> money-making
> scheme than secure (https://) sites. The certificate simply ensures  
> the
> source of the binary is who it says it is. Without certs, there is  
> nothing
> to prevent you from making a download that says it's from Microsoft  
> but
> actually wreaks havoc with an end-user's system.
>
>
> "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote in message
> news:FA26FF9E-F1C2-4605-9F68-4509CAFDB492 at cox.net...
>> Seems like just another one of M$'s ploys to  make money on  
>> everything
>> that goes into a Window's computer; but many  times over. Rather  
>> astute
>> strategy I should think. Just one more  reason to dislike the  
>> Window's
>> platform.
>
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May 22 15:35:54 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:35:54 -0700
Subject: Decoding a vCard...
References: <96636E7B-4691-402C-BE8A-E2F2AF80E146@maseurope.net>
	<C2773254.D715%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <f2vgmt$oph$1@sea.gmane.org>

Jim-

In addition, you can use the builtin search tool to open a browser window to 
search the archives at gmane.

Select "Documentation" from the "Help" menu,
click on "Search" and select the "gmane" icon.

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net 





From herz at ucsd.edu  Tue May 22 16:06:09 2007
From: herz at ucsd.edu (Richard K. Herz)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:06:09 -0700
Subject: Calculating Numbers
Message-ID: <46534D31.5060504@ucsd.edu>

Scott, See stack "ease255" on RevOnline under user "ReactorLab" - a 
variation of the old "ease in" stack for graphics. Rich


From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May 22 16:43:18 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:43:18 -0700
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <f2vfvh$lt4$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org><46527133.4020003@hyperactivesw.com><f2uik1$bo$1@sea.gmane.org><00a001c79c6a$652a5cd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<FA26FF9E-F1C2-4605-9F68-4509CAFDB492@cox.net>
	<f2vfvh$lt4$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <B65D7BA3-3817-4323-912F-CBA5F56C4E28@cox.net>

Bill, thanks for the clarification; though I can't imagine M$ doing  
ANYTHING without scooping up some lucre from it. Has to be some  
hidden protocol involved.

Joe Wilkins

On May 22, 2007, at 12:23 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:

> Interesting theory, except Microsoft doesn't make any money off the  
> process.
> The only cost associated with code signing is paying for the secure
> certificate, and that money goes to Verisign. It's no more of a  
> money-making
> scheme than secure (https://) sites. The certificate simply ensures  
> the
> source of the binary is who it says it is. Without certs, there is  
> nothing
> to prevent you from making a download that says it's from Microsoft  
> but
> actually wreaks havoc with an end-user's system.
>
>
> "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote in message
> news:FA26FF9E-F1C2-4605-9F68-4509CAFDB492 at cox.net...
>> Seems like just another one of M$'s ploys to  make money on  
>> everything
>> that goes into a Window's computer; but many  times over. Rather  
>> astute
>> strategy I should think. Just one more  reason to dislike the  
>> Window's
>> platform.
>
>
>
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Tue May 22 16:44:43 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:44:43 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <4653563B.90109@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

I am not intending to continue this thread endlessly, but I think the 
last contributions and questions of Ian Wood and Jacqueline deserve 
another response.

I had written:

> When a photo is taken, it gets a modification date at the same time, 
> although it is - as it were - only modified out of non-existence.
> The creation date is generated when the image arrives on the computer, 
> and a new creation date is generated each time the image is saved or 
> copied. Simply "moving" an image to another folder does *not* change 
> the creation date.


This holds for Windows and Ian had pointed out that the situation might 
be different for MacOS. I had responded that for various reasons I am in 
the habit of *copying" the files from the memory card to the computer. 
For that purpose I use an USB card reader.
I have now tested simply "moving" the files from the memory card, and in 
this case the creation dates are indeed preserved.
But copying/pasting of files to another folder or volume changes the 
creation date, as does "save as" under a different name, but in all 
these cases the EXIF-creation date - which is not taken into account by 
the detailed files function - remains unchanged.

Jacqueline had commented:

> I know the Mac doesn't change creation
> dates when just saving a file, and I haven't noticed it on XP either --
> though I admit I do very little editing on that OS. Most of my image
> editors are on the Mac.

What about "saved as"?-

As I don't have a card reader for the Mac (or could not get it 
configured for lack of a drivers disk) today I imported images directly 
from the camera via USB,

once transferring the images directly from the camera by "dragging" the 
files from the memory card folder to a folder on the Mac desktop.
The detailed files show the "phantastic" date of "Jan 18, 2038" as the 
creation date, whereas the modification date is correct.
When I open the folder in "column" view and click on a file name, I get 
the information that the creation date is "empty".
However, the correct EXIF creation date is still connected with the file 
and can be inspected with EXIF tools like Alex's "libEXIF" stack.

Then I used "iPhoto" to *import" the same files into the iPhoto Library: 
Now the detailed files show May 22 (today) both for the creation and the 
modification date.
The information directly from the library folder in "column" view is the 
same. Apparently the iPhoto import function works in the same way I copy 
the images from the memory card to the computer on WindowsXP.

Jaqueline again:

> >> But this does not explain the "phantastic" date of "Jan 18, 2038" 
> which
> >> I got for the creation date - item four of the detailed files - when I
> >> transferred files to my Powerbook with an USB stick.--
>
> Oops, forgot to address this point. It would be interesting to see what
> the creation date is on the USB stick, before the transfer. I wonder if
> something about USB is munging the date somehow when the file is copied
> (I think you suspected this too at some point.) After you've copied the
> file to the hard drive, does the creation date listed in the properties
> dialog on XP match the unusual year as well?


The creation date on the USB stick - after having copied the images 
there from my Windows computer and inspecting them there still from 
WindowsXP - show the "actualized" creation dates because they have been 
copied at the same date.
But read from the Mac with the detailed files, we get "Jan 18, 2038", 
and "empty" for the creation date when looking at the file information 
in the Mac folder.
The EXIF data are intact in this case, too, which read May 5th as the 
correct creation date in this case.

I tried three other USB sticks and always get the same phantastic 
creation date. When I connect an old Mac harddisk via USB with my 
Powerbook, the phantastic date does *not* appear.--

I repeat my recommendation to add the ability to read EXIF data with the 
detailed files function:
EXIFdata seem to be really reliable data, survive most transfer 
procedures, and spare you the trouble to remember in which way you have 
transferred image files from one volume or folder to another or which 
special photo tool you used to transfer the images. And they survive 
even when the image file is "saved as" under a different name. They will 
disappear only when you make major changes to the image contents - like 
manipulating the imagedata.

Regards,
Wilhelm Sanke

<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>




From wjm at wjm.org  Tue May 22 16:46:35 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:46:35 -0400
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<46527133.4020003@hyperactivesw.com><f2uik1$bo$1@sea.gmane.org><00a001c79c6a$652a5cd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><FA26FF9E-F1C2-4605-9F68-4509CAFDB492@cox.net><f2vfvh$lt4$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<A884A408-608A-459B-AD66-2572E185F6B7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f2vkr9$94a$1@sea.gmane.org>

Andre,

> can't we generate our own certs using openssl?

No. Code signing certs are similar to, but not exactly like SSL certs. A 
cert used for code signing must actually verify you or your organization's 
real-world identity. If just anyone could make a cert any time that would 
defeat the purpose. As far as I know, Verisign is the only entity that can 
issue certs valid for code signing on Windows. 





From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue May 22 16:50:36 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:50:36 +0100
Subject: Send question???
In-Reply-To: <DEE3B6B2-795A-40A2-AB6A-A6EAB8BA8E70@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <C2786071.464A9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<D5D46CFB-02BE-4A23-B823-67A9A12BF942@looktowindward.com>
	<DEE3B6B2-795A-40A2-AB6A-A6EAB8BA8E70@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <D3C3AF26-AB4D-47BA-9129-A826F8F40C6D@looktowindward.com>

Thanks Eric and Stephen,

As far as I can see it's not in the dictionary.

Cheers
Dave

On 22 May 2007, at 18:58, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Send "mouseUp" to me in 5 seconds
> put the result into lCancelMouseUpID
>
> Set lCancelID as a script local variable and if necessary:
>
>   cancel lCancelMouseUpID
>   -- will cancel the "mouseUp" pending message
>
> Le 22 mai 07 ? 19:51, Dave a ?crit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've been looking through the docs for ages and I can't find how  
>> to do this simple thing!!!
>>
>> All I want to do is to store the ID that is returned from the  
>> "send" command, e.g.
>>
>> send "mouseUp" to me in 5 seconds
>>
>> Where is the ID stored??
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
> eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 22 16:53:19 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 06:53:19 +1000
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<46527133.4020003@hyperactivesw.com><f2uik1$bo$1@sea.gmane.org><00a001c79c6a$652a5cd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><FA26FF9E-F1C2-4605-9F68-4509CAFDB492@cox.net><f2vfvh$lt4$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<A884A408-608A-459B-AD66-2572E185F6B7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <003401c79cb3$3ce10f50$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com>

> can't we generate our own certs using openssl?

No.  It must come from a an approved issuer and AFAICT Microsoft hold at the 
very least the license if not the algo.

> sorry, I don't understand much about this.

No need to apologise.  It's not  a widely explained process.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Multi-Media Music
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come."  Victor Hugo 



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue May 22 16:57:05 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:57:05 -0700
Subject: Send question???
In-Reply-To: <D3C3AF26-AB4D-47BA-9129-A826F8F40C6D@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <C278A731.26395%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Dave wrote:

> As far as I can see it's not in the dictionary.

send
Type: command
Syntax: send message [to object] [in time [seconds | ticks | milliseconds]]

If you specify a time, the message is sent to the object after the specified
time has elapsed. The message is added to the pendingMessages function. The
ID of the message is returned by the result function. To cancel the message,
use the cancel command with this ID.


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 22 16:57:38 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 06:57:38 +1000
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org><46527133.4020003@hyperactivesw.com><f2uik1$bo$1@sea.gmane.org><00a001c79c6a$652a5cd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><FA26FF9E-F1C2-4605-9F68-4509CAFDB492@cox.net><f2vfvh$lt4$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<B65D7BA3-3817-4323-912F-CBA5F56C4E28@cox.net>
Message-ID: <003b01c79cb3$d73ee1d0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> Bill, thanks for the clarification; though I can't imagine M$ doing 
> ANYTHING without scooping up some lucre from it. Has to be some  hidden 
> protocol involved.

I'm pretty sure (have not checked personally) that MS do have a good stake 
in shares in Verisign.  In fact the "Vista Certification" logo can only be 
achieved with a Verisign Cert (amongst the other requirements).

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Orginal Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"In painting a tiger you can paint the skin, but not the bones."  Confucius 



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue May 22 16:58:10 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:58:10 +0200
Subject: Send question???
In-Reply-To: <D3C3AF26-AB4D-47BA-9129-A826F8F40C6D@looktowindward.com>
References: <C2786071.464A9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<D5D46CFB-02BE-4A23-B823-67A9A12BF942@looktowindward.com>
	<DEE3B6B2-795A-40A2-AB6A-A6EAB8BA8E70@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<D3C3AF26-AB4D-47BA-9129-A826F8F40C6D@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <513E0694-06DE-4AEE-90EB-F2001B32758A@major-k.de>

Hi Dave,

> Thanks Eric and Stephen,
>
> As far as I can see it's not in the dictionary.

Wipe your glasses 8-)

 From the docs about "send":
...
f you specify a time, the message is sent to the object after the  
specified time has elapsed.
The message is added to the pendingMessages function.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The ID of the message is returned by the result function.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To cancel the message, use the cancel command with this ID.
...

> Cheers
> Dave

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 22 16:59:59 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 06:59:59 +1000
Subject: Printing question
References: <95321.4134.qm@web81808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c79cb4$2ae33c50$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Dave Herndon" <herndogy at sbcglobal.net>

Dave

> I am having an interesting problem.  Recently one of the computers on my 
> network started getting a "Sorry for the Inconveniance but Revolution must 
> shut
>  down." message while attempting to execute the print code shown below on 
> several printers available from that workstation.  The print job worked 
> fine for the 6
> months prior. The print process works fine on the computer in the adjacent 
> work station on each of the available computers.  A reboot and closing all 
> open
> applications does not help.  We are printing from a standalone built in 
> rev 2.7.3 on windows PC's.  What do you think guys?

Sorry if it's the bleeding obvious but can other app's print from this 
machine?  Have the printer drivers been updated lately?  Has the machine had 
a service pack update recently?  If the last two are possibles then maybe 
it's a driver issue...

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Orginal Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a 
little way past them into the impossible."
Arthur C Clarke 



From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue May 22 17:01:39 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:01:39 +0100
Subject: Tricky Problem
In-Reply-To: <46533093.1090103@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <464C95B8.4050507@fourthworld.com>	<E55CB579-DEF9-4FCF-875C-0399C1EDABFA@looktowindward.com>	<464CA27B.4060104@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3304C621-5552-445D-B8E4-13DB9271D6D8@looktowindward.com>
	<46533093.1090103@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AAB448DA-6FB3-42CF-B311-DF6C3921D390@looktowindward.com>






HI All,

I have a problem and it's either tricky or I have been sitting in  
front of this keyboard for far too long!

I have a time-out value, it it fires it calls  
"HandleMessageTimeOutControl" (as well as other handlers). If the  
user clicks in the button, then I want to cancel the timeout (by  
sending a "HandleMessageTimeOutControl"). The code in Case 1 below  
works ok, except if contained in a Modal stack, if it is, then the  
modal fails to work after the first call. I'm guessing it's because  
the "OK" button did not get pressed. In case 2, the message gets sent  
twice which causes the dialog to skip on multiple calls.

What I really want is a way of tell if the mouseUp handler has been  
called by the user pressing the mouse or if it's via the "send" command.

Any ideas?

All the Best
Dave

Case 1:

on HandleMessageTimeOutControl  
theMessageID,theMessageKind,theMessageData
   local myMessageData

   put ISMAppUtilsDecodeMessage(theMessageData,"String,") into  
myMessageData

   switch theMessageKind
   case "LTW_TimeOutComplete"
     save this stack
     close this stack

     break
   end switch
end HandleMessageTimeOutControl


on mouseUp
   local myMessageID
   local myMessageKind

   set the destroyStack of this stack to true
   put the cpControlMID_TimeOutControl of me into myMessageID
   put the cpControlMK_TimeOutCompleteCommand of me into myMessageKind
   get ISMAppUtilsEncodeAndPutMessage 
(myMessageID,myMessageKind,"volatile","String",empty)
end mouseUp



Case 2:

on HandleMessageTimeOutControl  
theMessageID,theMessageKind,theMessageData
   local myMessageData

   put ISMAppUtilsDecodeMessage(theMessageData,"String,") into  
myMessageData

   switch theMessageKind
   case "LTW_TimeOutComplete"
     send "mouseUp" to me in 1 tick
     break
   end switch
end HandleMessageTimeOutControl


on mouseUp
   local myMessageID
   local myMessageKind

   set the destroyStack of this stack to true
   put the cpControlMID_TimeOutControl of me into myMessageID
   put the cpControlMK_TimeOutCompleteCommand of me into myMessageKind
   get ISMAppUtilsEncodeAndPutMessage 
(myMessageID,myMessageKind,"volatile","String",empty)

    save this stack
     close this stack
end mouseUp




From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue May 22 17:02:09 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:02:09 +0100
Subject: Send question???
In-Reply-To: <C278A731.26395%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C278A731.26395%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <16A8E534-FD59-4685-A758-C8F32AB8CFDA@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Guess I just couldn't see it for looking!

All the Best
Dave

On 22 May 2007, at 21:57, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Dave wrote:
>
>> As far as I can see it's not in the dictionary.
>
> send
> Type: command
> Syntax: send message [to object] [in time [seconds | ticks |  
> milliseconds]]
>
> If you specify a time, the message is sent to the object after the  
> specified
> time has elapsed. The message is added to the pendingMessages  
> function. The
> ID of the message is returned by the result function. To cancel the  
> message,
> use the cancel command with this ID.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
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From mark at maseurope.net  Tue May 22 17:02:17 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:02:17 +0100
Subject: Send question???
In-Reply-To: <D3C3AF26-AB4D-47BA-9129-A826F8F40C6D@looktowindward.com>
References: <C2786071.464A9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<D5D46CFB-02BE-4A23-B823-67A9A12BF942@looktowindward.com>
	<DEE3B6B2-795A-40A2-AB6A-A6EAB8BA8E70@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<D3C3AF26-AB4D-47BA-9129-A826F8F40C6D@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <E3F86EA6-379B-44CA-BB14-CEE2182D347F@maseurope.net>

To get a fuller picture, have a look at 'the pendingMessages'. (The  
doc entry for 'send' does refer to both the pendingMessages and  
cancel under 'see also').


Best,

Mark

On 22 May 2007, at 21:50, Dave wrote:

> Thanks Eric and Stephen,
>
> As far as I can see it's not in the dictionary.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>




From klaus at major-k.de  Tue May 22 17:03:53 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 23:03:53 +0200
Subject: Send question???
In-Reply-To: <16A8E534-FD59-4685-A758-C8F32AB8CFDA@looktowindward.com>
References: <C278A731.26395%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<16A8E534-FD59-4685-A758-C8F32AB8CFDA@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <972DF86A-614E-4989-A924-98B15E2680AE@major-k.de>


Am 22.05.2007 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:

> Hi,
>
> Guess I just couldn't see it for looking!

Wouldn't have been the first time...

> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 22 May 2007, at 21:57, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> Recently, Dave wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I can see it's not in the dictionary.
>>
>> send
>> Type: command
>> Syntax: send message [to object] [in time [seconds | ticks |  
>> milliseconds]]
>>
>> If you specify a time, the message is sent to the object after the  
>> specified
>> time has elapsed. The message is added to the pendingMessages  
>> function. The
>> ID of the message is returned by the result function. To cancel  
>> the message,
>> use the cancel command with this ID.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 22 17:09:55 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:09:55 -0500
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <4653563B.90109@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4653563B.90109@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <46535C23.5070404@hyperactivesw.com>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> I repeat my recommendation to add the ability to read EXIF data with the 
> detailed files function:

I don't know if I'd like that. To read the EXIF data, every file would 
have to be opened and read individually, which would be very 
time-consuming. As it is now, a single call to the OS returns all the 
information without having to open (or even acknowledge) any files at 
all. Reading a lot of files in a folder, just to see if they have EXIF 
data, and if so, retrieve that data, would really slow down the detailed 
files function for people who aren't working with image files.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 17:21:21 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 14:21:21 -0700
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <46535C23.5070404@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C278ACE1.464ED%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 5/22/07 2:09 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
> 
>> I repeat my recommendation to add the ability to read EXIF data with the
>> detailed files function:
> 
> I don't know if I'd like that. To read the EXIF data, every file would
> have to be opened and read individually, which would be very
> time-consuming. As it is now, a single call to the OS returns all the
> information without having to open (or even acknowledge) any files at
> all. Reading a lot of files in a folder, just to see if they have EXIF
> data, and if so, retrieve that data, would really slow down the detailed
> files function for people who aren't working with image files.

And beyond that, EXIF data is not part of all image files, mostly only those
files from a device such as a camera.

If you have iPhoto open, you can use AppleScript to tell iPhoto to return
the EXIF data in an image file in its library.  The same will work for
Photoshop and Graphic Converter.  I don't believe the OSX Finder app will
read this part of an image file, and the Rev 'detailed files' returns info
by asking the Finder to get it.  I could be wrong about this.  Try it and
see.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue May 22 17:22:48 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 22:22:48 +0100
Subject: Send question???
In-Reply-To: <972DF86A-614E-4989-A924-98B15E2680AE@major-k.de>
References: <C278A731.26395%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<16A8E534-FD59-4685-A758-C8F32AB8CFDA@looktowindward.com>
	<972DF86A-614E-4989-A924-98B15E2680AE@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <D3137D42-D8BB-4512-8592-F5F50FA20785@looktowindward.com>


On 22 May 2007, at 22:03, Klaus Major wrote:

>
> Am 22.05.2007 um 23:02 schrieb Dave:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Guess I just couldn't see it for looking!
>
> Wouldn't have been the first time...

Nor the last I doubt...

All the Best
Dave




From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 22 17:28:55 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 07:28:55 +1000
Subject: Code Signing Anyone?
References: <003001c79c0b$bdf323b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><f2to2r$1mv$1@sea.gmane.org><46527133.4020003@hyperactivesw.com><f2uik1$bo$1@sea.gmane.org><00a001c79c6a$652a5cd0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><FA26FF9E-F1C2-4605-9F68-4509CAFDB492@cox.net><f2vfvh$lt4$1@sea.gmane.org><A884A408-608A-459B-AD66-2572E185F6B7@mac.com>
	<f2vkr9$94a$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <00d401c79cb8$36041060$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> No. Code signing certs are similar to, but not exactly like SSL certs. A 
> cert used for code signing must actually verify you or your organization's 
> real-world identity. If just anyone could make a cert any time that would 
> defeat the purpose. As far as I know, Verisign is the only entity that can 
> issue certs valid for code signing on Windows.

No, Comodo can do it and both Verisign and Comodo have dealers as well.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Orginal Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"In painting a tiger you can paint the skin, but not the bones."  Confucius 



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 18:16:16 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:16:16 -0700
Subject: Tricky Problem
In-Reply-To: <AAB448DA-6FB3-42CF-B311-DF6C3921D390@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <C278B9C0.464F9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

 Here is one way, amoung others

send " doTheMouseupThing fromMseUp" to me in 1 tick


> on mouseUp
      doTheMouseupThing
> end mouseUp

on doTheMouseupThing msgg
    if msgg is empty then --the user did the click
>    local myMessageID
>    local myMessageKind
> 
>    set the destroyStack of this stack to true
>    put the cpControlMID_TimeOutControl of me into myMessageID
>    put the cpControlMK_TimeOutCompleteCommand of me into myMessageKind
>    get ISMAppUtilsEncodeAndPutMessage
> (myMessageID,myMessageKind,"volatile","String",empty)
> 
>     save this stack
>      close this stack
end doTheMouseupThing


On 5/22/07 2:01 PM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> HI All,
> 
> I have a problem and it's either tricky or I have been sitting in
> front of this keyboard for far too long!
> 
> I have a time-out value, it it fires it calls
> "HandleMessageTimeOutControl" (as well as other handlers). If the
> user clicks in the button, then I want to cancel the timeout (by
> sending a "HandleMessageTimeOutControl"). The code in Case 1 below
> works ok, except if contained in a Modal stack, if it is, then the
> modal fails to work after the first call. I'm guessing it's because
> the "OK" button did not get pressed. In case 2, the message gets sent
> twice which causes the dialog to skip on multiple calls.
> 
> What I really want is a way of tell if the mouseUp handler has been
> called by the user pressing the mouse or if it's via the "send" command.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
> Case 1:
> 
> on HandleMessageTimeOutControl
> theMessageID,theMessageKind,theMessageData
>    local myMessageData
> 
>    put ISMAppUtilsDecodeMessage(theMessageData,"String,") into
> myMessageData
> 
>    switch theMessageKind
>    case "LTW_TimeOutComplete"
>      save this stack
>      close this stack
> 
>      break
>    end switch
> end HandleMessageTimeOutControl
> 
> 
> on mouseUp
>    local myMessageID
>    local myMessageKind
> 
>    set the destroyStack of this stack to true
>    put the cpControlMID_TimeOutControl of me into myMessageID
>    put the cpControlMK_TimeOutCompleteCommand of me into myMessageKind
>    get ISMAppUtilsEncodeAndPutMessage
> (myMessageID,myMessageKind,"volatile","String",empty)
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> 
> Case 2:
> 
> on HandleMessageTimeOutControl
> theMessageID,theMessageKind,theMessageData
>    local myMessageData
> 
>    put ISMAppUtilsDecodeMessage(theMessageData,"String,") into
> myMessageData
> 
>    switch theMessageKind
>    case "LTW_TimeOutComplete"
>      send "mouseUp" to me in 1 tick
>      break
>    end switch
> end HandleMessageTimeOutControl
> 
> 
> on mouseUp
      doTheMouseupThing
> end mouseUp

on doTheMouseupThing msgg

if msgg is empty then --the user did the click
>    local myMessageID
>    local myMessageKind
> 
>    set the destroyStack of this stack to true
>    put the cpControlMID_TimeOutControl of me into myMessageID
>    put the cpControlMK_TimeOutCompleteCommand of me into myMessageKind
>    get ISMAppUtilsEncodeAndPutMessage
> (myMessageID,myMessageKind,"volatile","String",empty)
> 
>     save this stack
>      close this stack
end doTheMouseupThing
> 
> 
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From rjb at robelko.com  Tue May 22 18:14:17 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 00:14:17 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <4653563B.90109@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4653563B.90109@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <p0624082ac2791afdffc5@[192.168.1.101]>

>I repeat my recommendation to add the ability to read EXIF data with 
>the detailed files function:
>EXIFdata seem to be really reliable data, survive most transfer 
>procedures, and spare you the trouble to remember in which way you 
>have transferred image files from one volume or folder to another or 
>which special photo tool you used to transfer the images. And they 
>survive even when the image file is "saved as" under a different 
>name. They will disappear only when you make major changes to the 
>image contents - like manipulating the imagedata.
>
>Regards,
>Wilhelm Sanke
>

I am not sure why you would want an operating system to look into the 
file content to fetch a date. After all, EXIF data is file content. I 
think that detailed files reports correctly file data as seen by the 
operating system.

Robert


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May 22 18:27:26 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:27:26 +1000
Subject: Tricky Problem
In-Reply-To: <AAB448DA-6FB3-42CF-B311-DF6C3921D390@looktowindward.com>
References: <464C95B8.4050507@fourthworld.com>
	<E55CB579-DEF9-4FCF-875C-0399C1EDABFA@looktowindward.com>
	<464CA27B.4060104@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3304C621-5552-445D-B8E4-13DB9271D6D8@looktowindward.com>
	<46533093.1090103@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AAB448DA-6FB3-42CF-B311-DF6C3921D390@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705221527td2c4bbck9ca8c46a27f8b2e2@mail.gmail.com>

> What I really want is a way of tell if the mouseUp handler has been
> called by the user pressing the mouse or if it's via the "send" command.

Without going into the details of your script, one way to do this is
with a parameter e.g.

on mouseUp
  myHandler "mouse"
end mouseUp

on otherHandler
  send "myHandler send" to me in 5 seconds
end otherHandler

on myHandler pWhere
  if pWhere = "mouse" then
   -- called from mouse click
  else if pWhere = "send" then
  -- called by a send
  end if
end myHandler

HTH,
Sarah


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Tue May 22 18:30:41 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 00:30:41 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <46536F11.9040605@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:  

> Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
> > I repeat my recommendation to add the ability to read EXIF data with 
> the
> > detailed files function:
>
> I don't know if I'd like that. To read the EXIF data, every file would
> have to be opened and read individually, which would be very
> time-consuming. As it is now, a single call to the OS returns all the
> information without having to open (or even acknowledge) any files at
> all. Reading a lot of files in a folder, just to see if they have EXIF
> data, and if so, retrieve that data, would really slow down the detailed
> files function for people who aren't working with image files.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software         


and Jim Ault from sunny Las Vegas wrote:

> And beyond that, EXIF data is not part of all image files, mostly only 
> those
> files from a device such as a camera.
>
> If you have iPhoto open, you can use AppleScript to tell iPhoto to return
> the EXIF data in an image file in its library.  The same will work for
> Photoshop and Graphic Converter.  I don't believe the OSX Finder app will
> read this part of an image file, and the Rev 'detailed files' returns info
> by asking the Finder to get it.  I could be wrong about this.  Try it and
> see.

These are indeed valid arguments that have to be considered .

As far as I know, however, the situation may be at least different for 
Windows and MacOS. I do not know if the OSX finder could access EXIF 
data automatically, but WindowsXP surely does.

The EXIF creation date of a camera image is automatically read by 
WindowsXP, as can be seen in the file information when you configure the 
folder setting accordingly. So there would be no slowdown of any kind 
when incorporating this information in the detailed files.
I am not really sure what the OSX finder does. If in fact it should be 
able to access such data, then I would repeat my recommendation for the 
detailed files.

If not, then - as the main purpose of this discussion was about 
including valid creation date information  in Metacard/Revolution 
applications - we should tweak Alex Tweedly's "libEXIF" stack to produce 
a handy function to include a reliable creation date information  in our 
stacks if needed.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke

<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May 22 18:37:35 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:37:35 +1000
Subject: Error report emails
Message-ID: <f99b52860705221537x71fcc79dof0c0a28ffa1edd69@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone use the email error reporting feature in standalones?  It
used to work fine but recently, I have got a few reports that say
this:

Executing at 2:58:29 PM
Type	
Object	card id 1002
Line	put 'Object' & tab & the short name of tObject & cr after tErrorString
Hint	preOpenCard

That line of script does not appear in any of my code, so I assume
there is an error in the error reporting. Has anyone else experienced
this? I'm not even sure what version of Revolution it is. It won't be
2.8.1 but it could be 2.6.x, 2.7.x or 2.8.0

Related to this, it would be really good if there was a way to add
some more data to these reports e.g. the version number of the
software, the platform, the engine number etc. If I bugzilla the
erroneous error report, I might add an enhancement request for this.
Does anyone have any other suggestions that they would like added at
the same time?

Cheers,
Sarah


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue May 22 18:44:28 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:44:28 -0700
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <46536F11.9040605@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <C278C05C.46502%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 5/22/07 3:30 PM, "Wilhelm Sanke" <sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de> wrote:

> As far as I know, however, the situation may be at least different for
> Windows and MacOS. I do not know if the OSX finder could access EXIF
> data automatically, but WindowsXP surely does.

A glimpse of why cross-platform can be difficult or impossible.  Parameters
dispersed, formatted and gathered in so many ways.  Of course, those
companies never change how they do things, so, thankfully, the "moving
target challenge" is not a factor.

(I am leaving out the possibility that an OS could have bugs in it, since
OS'es are not released before thorough beta testing.  All these updates for
OSX are merely cosmetic or to improve your iTunes Store shopping
experience.)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May 22 18:46:39 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:46:39 +1000
Subject: Answer dialog focus on OSX using mousedown call
In-Reply-To: <9264E7F2-CE62-472B-8177-713F4E1CFCE0@siphonophore.com>
References: <20070521225943.462F9489254@mail.runrev.com>
	<9264E7F2-CE62-472B-8177-713F4E1CFCE0@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705221546j7fb2b4fev5c6712823f59147e@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/23/07, Jeff Reynolds <jeff at siphonophore.com> wrote:
> If i call and ask dialog from a mousedown handler, the ask dialog
> buttons in the dialog box does not appear to have the screen focus
> when its brought up so it takes two clicks to activate a button (ie
> one to bring the window into focus and the second to activate the
> button.) if i do the same call from a mouseup the ask dialog comes up
> with the proper focus.
>
> any ideas of how to work around this so that it can be called from
> the mousedown handler? tried a lot of fiddles, but only calling the
> ask from a mouseup will make it work 100% of the time. appears to be
> something with the mouseup message from the button the ask dialog was
> called from stealing focus or the ask window after its brought up.


You may be able to use a variation of this trick. Normally, when you
do an "ask" with some default text, the complete text is selected. I
wanted to have the cursor after the text as I knew the required prefix
but needed the user to add to it. I used a "send" to alter the
selection just after the dialog appeared.

on mouseUp
        -- other script

        send "selectAfterAskText" to me in 1 tick
        ask info "Enter the barcode:" with tDefault

       -- other script
end mouseUp

on selectAfterAskText
    select after text of fld id 1119 of stack "Ask Dialog"
end selectAfterAskText


You could possibly alter this to change the focus to the default
button on the answer dialog.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May 22 18:53:10 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:53:10 +1000
Subject: Another "This should be easy but ... How do you edit a line?
In-Reply-To: <464C8A11.30609@crcom.net>
References: <464C8A11.30609@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705221553p77473697o4f153603d91b2980@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/18/07, Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
> Sometimes it seems the simplest things are the hardest!!  I'm trying to
> draw a line on a card (which will be printed later) it's going to look
> like a spreadsheet when I'm done but I can't use the (useless) table
> fields from Rev.
>
> My problem is that I can't get the lines straight (hor. or vert) and I
> can't figure out how to edit them in the property inspector (I'm using
> Galaxy by the way).  Every time I change one number (like upper left),
> all the other numbers adjust when I really want them to stay the way
> they were.  When I try and move the line, it changes the angle rather
> than the position.  Is there a way to draw (and move) simple vertical or
> horizontal lines?

Check out "the points" of your graphic. I drew a diagonal line and
"the points" of that line are:
92,62
260,150

If I change this to
92,62
260,62
I get a horizontal line.

If I change it to
92,62
92,150
I get a vertical line.

HTH,
Sarah


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Tue May 22 19:04:40 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:04:40 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <46537708.5010009@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Robert Brenstein rjb at robelko.com wrote:
 

> I am not sure why you would want an operating system to look into the
> file content to fetch a date. After all, EXIF data is file content. I
> think that detailed files reports correctly file data as seen by the
> operating system.
>
> Robert



Robert,

one of the points we investigated in this long thread was that the 
detailed-files information can come up with up to *four* different 
"creation dates" for the same image file, depending on how the files 
were transferred from the camera to the computer, which OS  and what 
special photo tool was used, and if the files had been moved or copied 
or saved from one volume or folder to another.

The term "creation date" is misleading here, because what the detailed 
files retrieves is basically different from the real "creation date" of 
a camera image. Only in some cases is the detailed-files creation date 
identical with the creation date of the photo.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke

<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 22 19:45:24 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:45:24 +1000
Subject: Error report emails
References: <f99b52860705221537x71fcc79dof0c0a28ffa1edd69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011401c79ccb$470320f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>

Sarah,

> That line of script does not appear in any of my code, so I assume  there 
> is an error in the error reporting. Has anyone else experienced
> this? I'm not even sure what version of Revolution it is. It won't be 
> 2.8.1 but it could be 2.6.x, 2.7.x or 2.8.0

I get this with 2.6.1.  It makes that rather nice facility unusable for me 
so I've coded a routine to save a log best I can.

> Related to this, it would be really good if there was a way to add some 
> more data to these reports e.g. the version number of the
> software, the platform, the engine number etc. If I bugzilla the erroneous 
> error report, I might add an enhancement request for this.
> Does anyone have any other suggestions that they would like added at
> the same time?

With 2.6.1 it exits the stand alone after showing the error.  It'd be nice 
if it did not do this, though this may well have been fixed in later 
versions of Rev. Probably something I should check with the latest beta.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Orginal Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start
today and make a new ending." -- Maria Robinson 



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue May 22 19:53:49 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:53:49 -0700
Subject: Send question???
In-Reply-To: <972DF86A-614E-4989-A924-98B15E2680AE@major-k.de>
References: <C278A731.26395%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<16A8E534-FD59-4685-A758-C8F32AB8CFDA@looktowindward.com>
	<972DF86A-614E-4989-A924-98B15E2680AE@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <p06240801c27931b51fc8@[192.168.1.103]>

anyone learning about working with send and messages should try Dar 
Scott's excellent "Message Mechanics" stack that can be found at
http://www.swcp.com/dsc/revstacks.html
-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May 22 19:56:42 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:56:42 -0700
Subject: Another "This should be easy but ... How do you edit a line?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705221553p77473697o4f153603d91b2980@mail.gmail.com>
References: <464C8A11.30609@crcom.net>
	<f99b52860705221553p77473697o4f153603d91b2980@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F1AFED2-1B3A-42DA-BC23-0D66EFB97F7A@cox.net>

Len,

I've done several programs similar to spreadsheets. In every case,  
instead of drawing lines, I draw the grid lines in a drawing program,  
MacDraft, where I have greater control of the appearance; then I save  
the drawing as a JPG and use that to create an image which I can  
display on the cards, placing transparent text fields over the image.  
It could also be saved in a number of other graphic formats. I  
haven't tried this when the "spreadsheet" is larger than the screen  
and needs to be scrolled, but I suspect I could work out something  
that would work, possibly by paging the data instead of scrolling it  
line by line; or by partially paging by half or quarter pages, using  
buttons instead of scroll bars. I just love to use drawings. (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On May 22, 2007, at 3:53 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On 5/18/07, Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
>> Sometimes it seems the simplest things are the hardest!!  I'm  
>> trying to
>> draw a line on a card (which will be printed later) it's going to  
>> look
>> like a spreadsheet when I'm done but I can't use the (useless) table
>> fields from Rev.
>>
>> My problem is that I can't get the lines straight (hor. or vert)  
>> and I
>> can't figure out how to edit them in the property inspector (I'm  
>> using
>> Galaxy by the way).  Every time I change one number (like upper  
>> left),
>> all the other numbers adjust when I really want them to stay the way
>> they were.  When I try and move the line, it changes the angle rather
>> than the position.  Is there a way to draw (and move) simple  
>> vertical or
>> horizontal lines?
>
> Check out "the points" of your graphic. I drew a diagonal line and
> "the points" of that line are:
> 92,62
> 260,150
>
> If I change this to
> 92,62
> 260,62
> I get a horizontal line.
>
> If I change it to
> 92,62
> 92,150
> I get a vertical line.
>
> HTH,
> Sarah
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Tue May 22 20:24:40 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 20:24:40 -0400
Subject: Obtaining the hardware MacAddress ON WINDOWS
In-Reply-To: <20070521231617803770.9ae5fb0d@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <OF8C4483F8.1E6E5B3C-ON852572E4.00017219-852572E4.0001375D@sealedair.com>

> How about the tip:
>
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/env001.htm
>
> Does that work for you?
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.

It appears to be a good all xplatform script, however the Windows part
suffers from the same problem that my script does.

> put shell("ipconfig /all") into temp
> get matchText(temp,"Physical Address[\. ]*: ([A-Z0-9-]*)",retVal)

This returns the 'first occurance' of the line containing "Physical
Address". There are 5 of these on my system; each with an address. It was
luck of the draw that my wireless connection was first in the list and I
was using wireless when I ran your script. If I switch to wired LAN,
ipconfig still shows the same address for wireless first in the list.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From rjb at robelko.com  Tue May 22 19:56:22 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:56:22 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <46537708.5010009@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <46537708.5010009@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <p0624082cc279313ad703@[192.168.1.101]>

>The term "creation date" is misleading here, because what the 
>detailed files retrieves is basically different from the real 
>"creation date" of a camera image. Only in some cases is the 
>detailed-files creation date identical with the creation date of the 
>photo.
>
>Regards,
>
>Wilhelm Sanke

I can see that in case of photos, it would be nice to have a direct 
access to the date the photo was taken, but I think it is still 
correct that file creation date can but must not be the same as photo 
(image = content) creation date, which is what you seemed to have 
been asking for. May be one day the content creation date will become 
another file attribute.

Robert


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Tue May 22 20:40:04 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:40:04 +0100
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <4653563B.90109@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4653563B.90109@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <AECD9543-BF0A-4C77-B189-9782CA9FC4A8@anachreon.co.uk>

Could the 2038 date be set on the camera? By mistake of course...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 22 May 2007, at 21:44, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> I am not intending to continue this thread endlessly, but I think  
> the last contributions and questions of Ian Wood and Jacqueline  
> deserve another response.
>
> I had written:
>
>> When a photo is taken, it gets a modification date at the same  
>> time, although it is - as it were - only modified out of non- 
>> existence.
>> The creation date is generated when the image arrives on the  
>> computer, and a new creation date is generated each time the image  
>> is saved or copied. Simply "moving" an image to another folder  
>> does *not* change the creation date.
>
>
> This holds for Windows and Ian had pointed out that the situation  
> might be different for MacOS. I had responded that for various  
> reasons I am in the habit of *copying" the files from the memory  
> card to the computer. For that purpose I use an USB card reader.
> I have now tested simply "moving" the files from the memory card,  
> and in this case the creation dates are indeed preserved.
> But copying/pasting of files to another folder or volume changes  
> the creation date, as does "save as" under a different name, but in  
> all these cases the EXIF-creation date - which is not taken into  
> account by the detailed files function - remains unchanged.
>
> Jacqueline had commented:
>
>> I know the Mac doesn't change creation
>> dates when just saving a file, and I haven't noticed it on XP  
>> either --
>> though I admit I do very little editing on that OS. Most of my image
>> editors are on the Mac.
>
> What about "saved as"?-
>
> As I don't have a card reader for the Mac (or could not get it  
> configured for lack of a drivers disk) today I imported images  
> directly from the camera via USB,
>
> once transferring the images directly from the camera by "dragging"  
> the files from the memory card folder to a folder on the Mac desktop.
> The detailed files show the "phantastic" date of "Jan 18, 2038" as  
> the creation date, whereas the modification date is correct.
> When I open the folder in "column" view and click on a file name, I  
> get the information that the creation date is "empty".
> However, the correct EXIF creation date is still connected with the  
> file and can be inspected with EXIF tools like Alex's "libEXIF" stack.
>
> Then I used "iPhoto" to *import" the same files into the iPhoto  
> Library: Now the detailed files show May 22 (today) both for the  
> creation and the modification date.
> The information directly from the library folder in "column" view  
> is the same. Apparently the iPhoto import function works in the  
> same way I copy the images from the memory card to the computer on  
> WindowsXP.
>
> Jaqueline again:
>
>> >> But this does not explain the "phantastic" date of "Jan 18,  
>> 2038" which
>> >> I got for the creation date - item four of the detailed files -  
>> when I
>> >> transferred files to my Powerbook with an USB stick.--
>>
>> Oops, forgot to address this point. It would be interesting to see  
>> what
>> the creation date is on the USB stick, before the transfer. I  
>> wonder if
>> something about USB is munging the date somehow when the file is  
>> copied
>> (I think you suspected this too at some point.) After you've  
>> copied the
>> file to the hard drive, does the creation date listed in the  
>> properties
>> dialog on XP match the unusual year as well?
>
>
> The creation date on the USB stick - after having copied the images  
> there from my Windows computer and inspecting them there still from  
> WindowsXP - show the "actualized" creation dates because they have  
> been copied at the same date.
> But read from the Mac with the detailed files, we get "Jan 18,  
> 2038", and "empty" for the creation date when looking at the file  
> information in the Mac folder.
> The EXIF data are intact in this case, too, which read May 5th as  
> the correct creation date in this case.
>
> I tried three other USB sticks and always get the same phantastic  
> creation date. When I connect an old Mac harddisk via USB with my  
> Powerbook, the phantastic date does *not* appear.--
>
> I repeat my recommendation to add the ability to read EXIF data  
> with the detailed files function:
> EXIFdata seem to be really reliable data, survive most transfer  
> procedures, and spare you the trouble to remember in which way you  
> have transferred image files from one volume or folder to another  
> or which special photo tool you used to transfer the images. And  
> they survive even when the image file is "saved as" under a  
> different name. They will disappear only when you make major  
> changes to the image contents - like manipulating the imagedata.
>
> Regards,
> Wilhelm Sanke
>
> <http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>
>
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May 22 21:02:23 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:02:23 +1000
Subject: Error report emails
In-Reply-To: <011401c79ccb$470320f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <f99b52860705221537x71fcc79dof0c0a28ffa1edd69@mail.gmail.com>
	<011401c79ccb$470320f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705221802g35b6ed0dpa5ef3fc3ceb1091d@mail.gmail.com>

> > That line of script does not appear in any of my code, so I assume  there
> > is an error in the error reporting. Has anyone else experienced
> > this? I'm not even sure what version of Revolution it is. It won't be
> > 2.8.1 but it could be 2.6.x, 2.7.x or 2.8.0
>
> I get this with 2.6.1.  It makes that rather nice facility unusable for me
> so I've coded a routine to save a log best I can.

Thanks for giving me a Rev version number to match. I'll have to do
some tests to see if this still happens on 2.8.1 then update the app.

> > > Related to this, it would be really good if there was a way to add some
> > more data to these reports e.g. the version number of the
> > software, the platform, the engine number etc. If I bugzilla the erroneous
> > error report, I might add an enhancement request for this.
> > Does anyone have any other suggestions that they would like added at
> > the same time?
>
> With 2.6.1 it exits the stand alone after showing the error.  It'd be nice
> if it did not do this, though this may well have been fixed in later
> versions of Rev. Probably something I should check with the latest beta.

I agree. In Rev errors are very rarely fatal, so the app should not
need to quit. Once I've checked whether this bug still happens in
2.8.1, I'll add an enhancement request and include this.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May 22 21:28:03 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:28:03 +1000
Subject: Error report emails
In-Reply-To: <011401c79ccb$470320f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <f99b52860705221537x71fcc79dof0c0a28ffa1edd69@mail.gmail.com>
	<011401c79ccb$470320f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705221828q23a77e31uca2af8f5d102fc0d@mail.gmail.com>

> > That line of script does not appear in any of my code, so I assume  there
> > is an error in the error reporting. Has anyone else experienced
> > this? I'm not even sure what version of Revolution it is. It won't be
> > 2.8.1 but it could be 2.6.x, 2.7.x or 2.8.0
>
> I get this with 2.6.1.  It makes that rather nice facility unusable for me
> so I've coded a routine to save a log best I can.

I have now tested a stack with an error built using with 2.6.1, 2.7.0,
2.8.0 & 2.8.1 and none of them have any trouble with the error
reporting email. They all show the exact error.

So either this is Windows only (I'm using Mac and my app only runs on
Mac & Windows) or it depends on the error. I'll have to see what the
people reporting the false errors are using.

> > Related to this, it would be really good if there was a way to add some
> > more data to these reports e.g. the version number of the
> > software, the platform, the engine number etc. If I bugzilla the erroneous
> > error report, I might add an enhancement request for this.
> > Does anyone have any other suggestions that they would like added at
> > the same time?
>
> With 2.6.1 it exits the stand alone after showing the error.  It'd be nice
> if it did not do this, though this may well have been fixed in later
> versions of Rev. Probably something I should check with the latest beta.

I don't get this either. The standalone still runs fine after
displaying the error dialog, whether you email the report or not.
Again, maybe this is platform-specific. What are you using Scott?

Cheers,
Sarah


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 22 22:06:22 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:06:22 -0500
Subject: Error report emails
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705221828q23a77e31uca2af8f5d102fc0d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860705221537x71fcc79dof0c0a28ffa1edd69@mail.gmail.com>	<011401c79ccb$470320f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<f99b52860705221828q23a77e31uca2af8f5d102fc0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4653A19E.8060001@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> > That line of script does not appear in any of my code, so I assume  
>> there
>> > is an error in the error reporting.

It looks a little like the error reporting script can't identify the 
object that failed.


> I have now tested a stack with an error built using with 2.6.1, 2.7.0,
> 2.8.0 & 2.8.1 and none of them have any trouble with the error
> reporting email. They all show the exact error.
> 
> So either this is Windows only (I'm using Mac and my app only runs on
> Mac & Windows) or it depends on the error.

I'd suspect the error. I've been using the email-myself error reporting 
feature ever since you clued us onto it, it's been invaluable. I haven't 
ever seen any problems, so it's working okay here.

>> > Related to this, it would be really good if there was a way to add some
>> > more data to these reports e.g. the version number of the
>> > software, the platform, the engine number etc. If I bugzilla the 
>> erroneous
>> > error report, I might add an enhancement request for this.
>> > Does anyone have any other suggestions that they would like added at
>> > the same time?

Make it do logging, so if we don't want to send ourselves an email we 
can just read a log somewhere. Even better, allow a global property that 
turns logging on and off. Then I could write a startup handler that 
checks for a keypress or something ("if the shiftkey is down then...") 
that would set the global logging variable to true. Ergo, startup with 
shiftkey down makes a log.

Some of us have written this stuff, but I'd love to see it just built in.

>>
>> With 2.6.1 it exits the stand alone after showing the error.  It'd be 
>> nice
>> if it did not do this, though this may well have been fixed in later
>> versions of Rev. Probably something I should check with the latest beta.
> 
> I don't get this either. The standalone still runs fine after
> displaying the error dialog, whether you email the report or not.
> Again, maybe this is platform-specific. What are you using Scott?

Maybe Scott doesn't mean "quit" but means the script exits? That would 
be normal. Handlers abort if there's a scripting error. If it really 
does abnormally quit, that might be a crash and should be reported.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 22 22:13:48 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:13:48 +1000
Subject: Error report emails
References: <f99b52860705221537x71fcc79dof0c0a28ffa1edd69@mail.gmail.com><011401c79ccb$470320f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<f99b52860705221828q23a77e31uca2af8f5d102fc0d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002201c79ce0$01e969b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>

> Again, maybe this is platform-specific. What are you using Scott?

XP Service Pack 2.  But it does it for me on Win 2000 and Vista as well. 
Have tried it in different stacks (read app's) doing different things.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Orginal Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"In painting a tiger you can paint the skin, but not the bones."  Confucius 



From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 22 22:15:01 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:15:01 +1000
Subject: Error report emails
References: <f99b52860705221537x71fcc79dof0c0a28ffa1edd69@mail.gmail.com>	<011401c79ccb$470320f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><f99b52860705221828q23a77e31uca2af8f5d102fc0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4653A19E.8060001@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <002501c79ce0$2d7a8500$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>


> Maybe Scott doesn't mean "quit" but means the script exits? That would be 
> normal. Handlers abort if there's a scripting error. If it really does 
> abnormally quit, that might be a crash and should be reported.

For me it kills the app.  I'll try it on my Mac's though and see what 
happens.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Orginal Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"There are two ways of being deceived.  One is to believe that which is not
true.  The other is to not believe that which is true." S?ren Aabye
Kierkegaard



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 22 22:19:17 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 21:19:17 -0500
Subject: Error report emails
In-Reply-To: <002201c79ce0$01e969b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <f99b52860705221537x71fcc79dof0c0a28ffa1edd69@mail.gmail.com><011401c79ccb$470320f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>	<f99b52860705221828q23a77e31uca2af8f5d102fc0d@mail.gmail.com>
	<002201c79ce0$01e969b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <4653A4A5.5090500@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott Kane wrote:
> From: "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com>
> 
>> Again, maybe this is platform-specific. What are you using Scott?
> 
> XP Service Pack 2.  But it does it for me on Win 2000 and Vista as well. 
> Have tried it in different stacks (read app's) doing different things.

Do you mean quit, as in the app shuts down? Does Windows throw an error?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 22 22:49:01 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:49:01 +1000
Subject: Error report emails
References: <f99b52860705221537x71fcc79dof0c0a28ffa1edd69@mail.gmail.com><011401c79ccb$470320f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>	<f99b52860705221828q23a77e31uca2af8f5d102fc0d@mail.gmail.com><002201c79ce0$01e969b0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<4653A4A5.5090500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c79ce4$ef4b8950$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>

> Do you mean quit, as in the app shuts down? Does Windows throw an error?

App shuts down (closes completely).  I would expect a Windows "Access 
Violation" here but do not get one, which leads me to suspect that it's 
because Rev is relatively free from the cacophony of dll's that other 
compilers depend on by default within the code they write to the executable.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Orginal Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
What a waste of thumbs that are opposable
to make machines that are disposable  -Ani DiFranco 



From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Wed May 23 03:04:37 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 00:04:37 -0700
Subject: Tricky Problem
In-Reply-To: <AAB448DA-6FB3-42CF-B311-DF6C3921D390@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <C2793595.24831%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 5/22/07 2:01 PM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:

> What I really want is a way of tell if the mouseUp handler has been
> called by the user pressing the mouse or if it's via the "send" command.
> 
> Any ideas?

Hi, Dave.  Another way uses the executionContexts, even though it's not
supported or documented.  It is simpler than passing parameters and
distinguishing them.

<script>
if word 1 of line -2 of the executionContexts is "button" then
</script>

You can check for a particular button as well as distinguish mouseUp from
mouseDown, if you want.

<script>
if item 1 to 2 of line -2 of the executionContexts is /
    the long id of button "foo","mouseUp" then
</script>
 
-- Dick




From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed May 23 04:17:04 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:17:04 +0100
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <46536F11.9040605@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <46536F11.9040605@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <5EB82167-84D7-4257-B0C5-5A9A9D934530@azurevision.co.uk>


On 22 May 2007, at 23:30, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> These are indeed valid arguments that have to be considered .
>
> As far as I know, however, the situation may be at least different  
> for Windows and MacOS. I do not know if the OSX finder could access  
> EXIF data automatically, but WindowsXP surely does.

> The EXIF creation date of a camera image is automatically read by  
> WindowsXP, as can be seen in the file information when you  
> configure the folder setting accordingly. So there would be no  
> slowdown of any kind when incorporating this information in the  
> detailed files.
> I am not really sure what the OSX finder does. If in fact it should  
> be able to access such data, then I would repeat my recommendation  
> for the detailed files.

'Get Info' in the Finder (at least on 10.4.9) shows the manufacturer,  
model, colour space, profile, focal length and shutter speed for  
images with EXIF info. Spotlight allows you to search by lots of  
other EXIF tags, although I've not seen an EXIF creation date in the  
list.

However, you can *never* assume that EXIF data is present in an image  
file - many photographers use special EXIF-stripping utilities before  
uploading files to webservers if for some reason they don't want the  
client to know things like the time the shot was taken.
Obviously this isn't a problem for images that have been 'saved as'  
with the EXIF data stripped out because they will have a new valid  
creation date being new files, but people do it to original files as  
well (or copies if they know what's good for them...).

> If not, then - as the main purpose of this discussion was about  
> including valid creation date information  in Metacard/Revolution  
> applications - we should tweak Alex Tweedly's "libEXIF" stack to  
> produce a handy function to include a reliable creation date  
> information  in our stacks if needed.

It's not as trivial as it may sound.
I work with a lot of programs that deal with EXIF data, and many of  
them store it differently, especially when it comes to images that  
started off as RAW files. Plus you'd have to try and decode the two  
gazzillion different RAW formats that are the result of a different  
file format for *every* camera model of *every* manufacturer...


I'm probably coming across as really negative, but EXIF data is  
nowhere near as straightforward a topic as it first appears. :-(

Ian


From huthaifa_alqeisi at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 04:53:55 2007
From: huthaifa_alqeisi at yahoo.com (huthaifa alqeisi)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 01:53:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Tricky Problem
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705221527td2c4bbck9ca8c46a27f8b2e2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <338878.3823.qm@web51910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

dear 
  could you please remove my e-mail from your data base
  bcz i reseave alot of emails from you and you team
  regards

Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:
  > What I really want is a way of tell if the mouseUp handler has been
> called by the user pressing the mouse or if it's via the "send" command.

Without going into the details of your script, one way to do this is
with a parameter e.g.

on mouseUp
myHandler "mouse"
end mouseUp

on otherHandler
send "myHandler send" to me in 5 seconds
end otherHandler

on myHandler pWhere
if pWhere = "mouse" then
-- called from mouse click
else if pWhere = "send" then
-- called by a send
end if
end myHandler

HTH,
Sarah
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From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 23 05:18:58 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 19:18:58 +1000
Subject: Tricky Problem
References: <338878.3823.qm@web51910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009501c79d1b$66debe20$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> dear
>  could you please remove my e-mail from your data base
>  bcz i reseave alot of emails from you and you team
>  regards


No can do.  However you can do it yourself using this link

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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed May 23 06:52:38 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 11:52:38 +0100
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <5EB82167-84D7-4257-B0C5-5A9A9D934530@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <46536F11.9040605@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<5EB82167-84D7-4257-B0C5-5A9A9D934530@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CADC2294-9E1C-4ED1-8119-34031FBAECE9@azurevision.co.uk>


On 23 May 2007, at 09:17, Ian Wood wrote:

> Obviously this isn't a problem for images that have been 'saved as'  
> with the EXIF data stripped out because they will have a new valid  
> creation date being new files, but people do it to original files  
> as well (or copies if they know what's good for them...).

Wilhelm - out of curiosity, what would you regard as the 'correct'  
creation date for an image that has been opened, edited and saved to  
a new file?

Ian


From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed May 23 07:38:42 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:38:42 +0200
Subject: Where do I find Trevors Enhanced QT Externals?
Message-ID: <001101c79d2e$ecbf6090$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi all,

I have read some points in the list about Trevors great Enhanced QT
Externals, but didn't find any link where to get them.

Can anyone point me to them?

Thanks Tiemo

 

 

 



From michael at mdizz.com  Wed May 23 07:59:11 2007
From: michael at mdizz.com (michael at mdizz.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 06:59:11 -0500
Subject: Where do I find Trevors Enhanced QT Externals?
References: <001101c79d2e$ecbf6090$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <002001c79d31$c8a2f6b0$4301a8c0@upthe>

This may be what your looking for..
http://www.mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tiemo Hollmann TB" <toolbook at kestner.de>
To: "Revolution mailing list" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:38 AM
Subject: Where do I find Trevors Enhanced QT Externals?


> Hi all,
>
> I have read some points in the list about Trevors great Enhanced QT
> Externals, but didn't find any link where to get them.
>
> Can anyone point me to them?
>
> Thanks Tiemo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed May 23 08:02:48 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:02:48 +0200
Subject: AW: Where do I find Trevors Enhanced QT Externals?
In-Reply-To: <002001c79d31$c8a2f6b0$4301a8c0@upthe>
Message-ID: <002201c79d32$492b2b40$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks Michael, that's what I was looking for
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von michael at mdizz.com
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007 13:59
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Where do I find Trevors Enhanced QT Externals?
> 
> This may be what your looking for..
> http://www.mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tiemo Hollmann TB" <toolbook at kestner.de>
> To: "Revolution mailing list" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 6:38 AM
> Subject: Where do I find Trevors Enhanced QT Externals?
> 
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have read some points in the list about Trevors great Enhanced QT
> > Externals, but didn't find any link where to get them.
> >
> > Can anyone point me to them?
> >
> > Thanks Tiemo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed May 23 08:43:21 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:43:21 +0200
Subject: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find Trevors
	Enhanced QT Externals?)
In-Reply-To: <001101c79d2e$ecbf6090$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <001101c79d2e$ecbf6090$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <5C621E52-4C76-4950-93E3-7D2395E2E19B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Tiemo and all,

It seems like many of us do not know the Rev Search engine (Rev 2.7  
or later) you can access by clicking on the last tab in Rev help.
And I don't say that only because I wrote it ;-)

In Tiemo case:

1. Bring up the Search engine.
2. Select 'Web Database' pane in the tool bar.
3. Type for instance: 'enh' (three first chars of 'Enhanced QT')
4. You get instantly three results and among them: Mango  
Multimedia_T. DeVore
5. Just click on it and and http://mangomultimedia.com/developer/ 
revolution/ is open in your default browser.

The Rev Search engine allows to do many search types: docs, mailing  
lists, users groups and a web database you may customize that comes  
with links to the following Revolution expert web sites:
Xavier Bury, Geoff Canyon, Alejandro Tejada Capellan, Eric Chatonet,  
Bjoernkes Corner, Jerry Daniels, Trevor DeVore, Andre Garzia, Richard  
Gaskin, Jacqueline Landman Gay, Monte Goulding, Jim Hurley, Marielle  
Lange, Klaus Major, Ken Ray, Sarah Reichelt, Alex Rice, Frederic  
Rinaldi, Scott Rossi, Wilhelm Sanke, Jan Schenkel, Shao Sean, Hugh  
Senior, Dan Shafer, Chipp Walters and Mark Wieder!

All stuff you need is there :-)

Le 23 mai 07 ? 13:38, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :

> Hi all,
>
> I have read some points in the list about Trevors great Enhanced QT
> Externals, but didn't find any link where to get them.
>
> Can anyone point me to them?
>
> Thanks Tiemo

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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----------------------------------------------------------------




From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May 23 09:20:54 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 06:20:54 -0700
Subject: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find Trevors
	Enhanced QT Externals?)
In-Reply-To: <5C621E52-4C76-4950-93E3-7D2395E2E19B@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <001101c79d2e$ecbf6090$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<5C621E52-4C76-4950-93E3-7D2395E2E19B@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <05FC60B0-9A55-4F97-9688-5C9C2CA61300@cox.net>

Eric,

I just tried the Search Engine you mentioned. There appears to be a  
very serious flaw to the Search engine - causing Revolution to  
unexpectedly quit and probably doing other damage as well, since my  
only recourse was to reboot. Even the dock was unresponsive. If I  
tried to reopen Rev, it appeared to reopen with the startup Rev  
Splash screen, but then was nowhere to be found. I realize I'm not  
being very specific, but this all was caused (twice) by clicking in  
the small black (color selection) box that appears in the upper right  
portion of the Search results window, the one that says it lets you  
select a color for keywords. As soon as the color selection dialog  
appeared and I attempted to change the color, Rev quit and the other  
things I mention occurred requiring that I reboot.

Just thought you'd like to know, since you say you wrote that part of  
the docs.

I'm running Rev 2.8.1 on OS 10.4.9 with an Intel Mac Dual Core. The  
first time it happened I had Isolator 1.0 turned on. The second time,  
I did not. Neither time did I have any other applications open;  
running  Safari as the web browser.

Joe Wilkins
On May 23, 2007, at 5:43 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Tiemo and all,
>
> It seems like many of us do not know the Rev Search engine (Rev 2.7  
> or later) you can access by clicking on the last tab in Rev help.
> And I don't say that only because I wrote it ;-)
>
> In Tiemo case:
>
> 1. Bring up the Search engine.
> 2. Select 'Web Database' pane in the tool bar.
> 3. Type for instance: 'enh' (three first chars of 'Enhanced QT')
> 4. You get instantly three results and among them: Mango  
> Multimedia_T. DeVore
> 5. Just click on it and and http://mangomultimedia.com/developer/ 
> revolution/ is open in your default browser.
>
> The Rev Search engine allows to do many search types: docs, mailing  
> lists, users groups and a web database you may customize that comes  
> with links to the following Revolution expert web sites:
> Xavier Bury, Geoff Canyon, Alejandro Tejada Capellan, Eric  
> Chatonet, Bjoernkes Corner, Jerry Daniels, Trevor DeVore, Andre  
> Garzia, Richard Gaskin, Jacqueline Landman Gay, Monte Goulding, Jim  
> Hurley, Marielle Lange, Klaus Major, Ken Ray, Sarah Reichelt, Alex  
> Rice, Frederic Rinaldi, Scott Rossi, Wilhelm Sanke, Jan Schenkel,  
> Shao Sean, Hugh Senior, Dan Shafer, Chipp Walters and Mark Wieder!
>
> All stuff you need is there :-)
>
> Le 23 mai 07 ? 13:38, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have read some points in the list about Trevors great Enhanced QT
>> Externals, but didn't find any link where to get them.
>>
>> Can anyone point me to them?
>>
>> Thanks Tiemo
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
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> eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
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>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed May 23 09:20:06 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:20:06 +0200
Subject: AW: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find
	TrevorsEnhanced QT Externals?)
In-Reply-To: <5C621E52-4C76-4950-93E3-7D2395E2E19B@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <002701c79d3d$1bf25260$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Shame on me Eric, good point, thank you!
I'm just not used to all the sources of informations
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Mai 2007 14:43
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find
> TrevorsEnhanced QT Externals?)
> 
> Hi Tiemo and all,
> 
> It seems like many of us do not know the Rev Search engine (Rev 2.7
> or later) you can access by clicking on the last tab in Rev help.
> And I don't say that only because I wrote it ;-)
> 
> In Tiemo case:
> 
> 1. Bring up the Search engine.
> 2. Select 'Web Database' pane in the tool bar.
> 3. Type for instance: 'enh' (three first chars of 'Enhanced QT')
> 4. You get instantly three results and among them: Mango
> Multimedia_T. DeVore
> 5. Just click on it and and http://mangomultimedia.com/developer/
> revolution/ is open in your default browser.
> 
> The Rev Search engine allows to do many search types: docs, mailing
> lists, users groups and a web database you may customize that comes
> with links to the following Revolution expert web sites:
> Xavier Bury, Geoff Canyon, Alejandro Tejada Capellan, Eric Chatonet,
> Bjoernkes Corner, Jerry Daniels, Trevor DeVore, Andre Garzia, Richard
> Gaskin, Jacqueline Landman Gay, Monte Goulding, Jim Hurley, Marielle
> Lange, Klaus Major, Ken Ray, Sarah Reichelt, Alex Rice, Frederic
> Rinaldi, Scott Rossi, Wilhelm Sanke, Jan Schenkel, Shao Sean, Hugh
> Senior, Dan Shafer, Chipp Walters and Mark Wieder!
> 
> All stuff you need is there :-)
> 
> Le 23 mai 07 ? 13:38, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have read some points in the list about Trevors great Enhanced QT
> > Externals, but didn't find any link where to get them.
> >
> > Can anyone point me to them?
> >
> > Thanks Tiemo
> 
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
> eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Wed May 23 09:39:46 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:39:46 -0400
Subject: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find
 Trevors	Enhanced QT Externals?)
In-Reply-To: <5C621E52-4C76-4950-93E3-7D2395E2E19B@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <OF9B387BFC.2FED3AF3-ON852572E4.004A6E00-852572E4.004A018C@sealedair.com>

Eric Chatonet wrote:
> Hi Tiemo and all,
>
> It seems like many of us do not know the Rev Search engine (Rev 2.7
> or later) you can access by clicking on the last tab in Rev help.
> And I don't say that only because I wrote it ;-)

The new Rev Search engine is nice, but like Rev Online and Rev Net, it has
never worked for me (while at work - where it is needed most), but works
fine from home. At work, there is a corporate firewall that requires
authentication for outgoing connections to the internet. Web browsers
prompt for user/pass, but Rev just sits and looks at me funny. I am willing
to work with you off-list to help figure out the problem if you have some
time.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed May 23 09:33:32 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:33:32 +0200
Subject: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find Trevors
	Enhanced QT Externals?)
In-Reply-To: <05FC60B0-9A55-4F97-9688-5C9C2CA61300@cox.net>
References: <001101c79d2e$ecbf6090$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<5C621E52-4C76-4950-93E3-7D2395E2E19B@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<05FC60B0-9A55-4F97-9688-5C9C2CA61300@cox.net>
Message-ID: <E9384945-5166-4176-93D2-AAA1031EE4E0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Joe,

Thanks for the report.
Same Rev and same OS here but not Intel and no problem.
Could you be more specific: did you get the color dialog or not ie  
when did the crash occurred?
Have you tried the answer color command that might fail with Intel  
Mac Dual Core?
Thanks for your time and sorry for your frights :-)

Le 23 mai 07 ? 15:20, Joe Lewis Wilkins a ?crit :

> Eric,
>
> I just tried the Search Engine you mentioned. There appears to be a  
> very serious flaw to the Search engine - causing Revolution to  
> unexpectedly quit and probably doing other damage as well, since my  
> only recourse was to reboot. Even the dock was unresponsive. If I  
> tried to reopen Rev, it appeared to reopen with the startup Rev  
> Splash screen, but then was nowhere to be found. I realize I'm not  
> being very specific, but this all was caused (twice) by clicking in  
> the small black (color selection) box that appears in the upper  
> right portion of the Search results window, the one that says it  
> lets you select a color for keywords. As soon as the color  
> selection dialog appeared and I attempted to change the color, Rev  
> quit and the other things I mention occurred requiring that I reboot.
>
> Just thought you'd like to know, since you say you wrote that part  
> of the docs.
>
> I'm running Rev 2.8.1 on OS 10.4.9 with an Intel Mac Dual Core. The  
> first time it happened I had Isolator 1.0 turned on. The second  
> time, I did not. Neither time did I have any other applications  
> open; running  Safari as the web browser.


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
----------------------------------------------------------------




From liamlambert at mac.com  Wed May 23 09:47:48 2007
From: liamlambert at mac.com (Liam Lambert)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:47:48 +0100
Subject: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find Trevors
	Enhanced QT Externals?)
Message-ID: <A4E5CCF6-C990-4929-A574-0874E5FCC9AF@mac.com>

I am using Rev 2.8.1 on OS 10.4.9 with an Intel Mac Dual Core.
No problem here.

IRELAND
liamlambert at mac.com





From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May 23 09:57:51 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 06:57:51 -0700
Subject: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find Trevors
	Enhanced QT Externals?)
In-Reply-To: <E9384945-5166-4176-93D2-AAA1031EE4E0@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <001101c79d2e$ecbf6090$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<5C621E52-4C76-4950-93E3-7D2395E2E19B@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<05FC60B0-9A55-4F97-9688-5C9C2CA61300@cox.net>
	<E9384945-5166-4176-93D2-AAA1031EE4E0@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <22B59526-8425-4CE9-A5E5-7DDC562BFD4F@cox.net>

Well, I don't know why, but this time there was no problem. First I  
tried [answer color] from the message box. That worked OK. Then I did  
the same as the other two times and everything worked as expected.  
I'll try it again from time to time; though perhaps calling it from  
the msg box may have fixed something, since when I opened the Search  
Engine, and did a search as before, the color was not black as it had  
been when I first had the problem. Lord, who knows! Anyway, sorry for  
the scare. Gotta shake you guys up now and then! (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On May 23, 2007, at 6:33 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> Thanks for the report.
> Same Rev and same OS here but not Intel and no problem.
> Could you be more specific: did you get the color dialog or not ie  
> when did the crash occurred?
> Have you tried the answer color command that might fail with Intel  
> Mac Dual Core?
> Thanks for your time and sorry for your frights :-)
>
> Le 23 mai 07 ? 15:20, Joe Lewis Wilkins a ?crit :
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> I just tried the Search Engine you mentioned. There appears to be  
>> a very serious flaw to the Search engine - causing Revolution to  
>> unexpectedly quit and probably doing other damage as well, since  
>> my only recourse was to reboot. Even the dock was unresponsive. If  
>> I tried to reopen Rev, it appeared to reopen with the startup Rev  
>> Splash screen, but then was nowhere to be found. I realize I'm not  
>> being very specific, but this all was caused (twice) by clicking  
>> in the small black (color selection) box that appears in the upper  
>> right portion of the Search results window, the one that says it  
>> lets you select a color for keywords. As soon as the color  
>> selection dialog appeared and I attempted to change the color, Rev  
>> quit and the other things I mention occurred requiring that I reboot.
>>
>> Just thought you'd like to know, since you say you wrote that part  
>> of the docs.
>>
>> I'm running Rev 2.8.1 on OS 10.4.9 with an Intel Mac Dual Core.  
>> The first time it happened I had Isolator 1.0 turned on. The  
>> second time, I did not. Neither time did I have any other  
>> applications open; running  Safari as the web browser.
>
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
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From howard.bornstein at gmail.com  Wed May 23 10:05:14 2007
From: howard.bornstein at gmail.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 10:05:14 -0400
Subject: More - Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260705230704r6c470020y744c99e408293ca8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200705162255.l4GMt2Q1020132@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260705230704r6c470020y744c99e408293ca8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3f07cc260705230705v3c2fbbbeod00a582f45449f83@mail.gmail.com>

I have what I think is a related problem. I've written a simple file-joiner
program that joins file segments together. I've run into a problem where it
chokes on joining files when the total file size is about 2 GB. I'm simply
reading in the segments and writing them out consecutively to a single file.
Is Rev completely unable to deal with files greater than about 2 GB?

On 5/16/07, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have a File that is greater than 2GB in size. I am using:
>
> read from file theFile at myFilePosition for myCount
> put it into myFileData
>
> It all works fine until myFilePosition is greater than 2GB. Is there
> a limit on the file position inside a file?
>
> I Calculate the value for myFilePosition based on number of factors.
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave


-- 
Regards,

Howard Bornstein
-----------------------
www.designeq.com


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed May 23 10:09:15 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 07:09:15 -0700
Subject: More - Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260705230705v3c2fbbbeod00a582f45449f83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200705162255.l4GMt2Q1020132@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>
	<3f07cc260705230704r6c470020y744c99e408293ca8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f07cc260705230705v3c2fbbbeod00a582f45449f83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c279fb6af08d@[192.168.1.103]>

I think we're waiting for an answer from Kevin about this....

sqb

>I have what I think is a related problem. I've written a simple file-joiner
>program that joins file segments together. I've run into a problem where it
>chokes on joining files when the total file size is about 2 GB. I'm simply
>reading in the segments and writing them out consecutively to a single file.
>Is Rev completely unable to deal with files greater than about 2 GB?
>

-- 


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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May 23 11:03:52 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:03:52 -0700
Subject: How to find amazing stuff - Kudos to Eric!
Message-ID: <465457D8.5070704@fourthworld.com>

Eric Chatonet wrote:
> It seems like many of us do not know the Rev Search engine (Rev 2.7  
> or later) you can access by clicking on the last tab in Rev help.
> And I don't say that only because I wrote it ;-)
> 
> In Tiemo case:
> 
> 1. Bring up the Search engine.
> 2. Select 'Web Database' pane in the tool bar.
> 3. Type for instance: 'enh' (three first chars of 'Enhanced QT')
> 4. You get instantly three results and among them: Mango  
> Multimedia_T. DeVore
> 5. Just click on it and and http://mangomultimedia.com/developer/ 
> revolution/ is open in your default browser.
> 
> The Rev Search engine allows to do many search types: docs, mailing  
> lists, users groups and a web database you may customize that comes  
> with links to the following Revolution expert web sites:
> Xavier Bury, Geoff Canyon, Alejandro Tejada Capellan, Eric Chatonet,  
> Bjoernkes Corner, Jerry Daniels, Trevor DeVore, Andre Garzia, Richard  
> Gaskin, Jacqueline Landman Gay, Monte Goulding, Jim Hurley, Marielle  
> Lange, Klaus Major, Ken Ray, Sarah Reichelt, Alex Rice, Frederic  
> Rinaldi, Scott Rossi, Wilhelm Sanke, Jan Schenkel, Shao Sean, Hugh  
> Senior, Dan Shafer, Chipp Walters and Mark Wieder!
> 
> All stuff you need is there :-)

This is a tremendous resource.  Many thanks to Eric for the hard work he 
put into building and maintaining this useful masterpiece.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Wed May 23 11:12:54 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:12:54 -0300
Subject: How to find amazing stuff - Kudos to Eric!
In-Reply-To: <465457D8.5070704@fourthworld.com>
References: <465457D8.5070704@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <56005C59-5A55-4434-8379-82E0962A8002@mac.com>

Eric,

can you tell me which URL you're indexing from my site, I am  
rebuilding it and I could make it easier to find stuff. :-)

(you know I use that tool almost every day! Thanks for making it)
andre

On May 23, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Eric Chatonet wrote:
>> It seems like many of us do not know the Rev Search engine (Rev  
>> 2.7  or later) you can access by clicking on the last tab in Rev  
>> help.
>> And I don't say that only because I wrote it ;-)
>> In Tiemo case:
>> 1. Bring up the Search engine.
>> 2. Select 'Web Database' pane in the tool bar.
>> 3. Type for instance: 'enh' (three first chars of 'Enhanced QT')
>> 4. You get instantly three results and among them: Mango   
>> Multimedia_T. DeVore
>> 5. Just click on it and and http://mangomultimedia.com/developer/  
>> revolution/ is open in your default browser.
>> The Rev Search engine allows to do many search types: docs,  
>> mailing  lists, users groups and a web database you may customize  
>> that comes  with links to the following Revolution expert web sites:
>> Xavier Bury, Geoff Canyon, Alejandro Tejada Capellan, Eric  
>> Chatonet,  Bjoernkes Corner, Jerry Daniels, Trevor DeVore, Andre  
>> Garzia, Richard  Gaskin, Jacqueline Landman Gay, Monte Goulding,  
>> Jim Hurley, Marielle  Lange, Klaus Major, Ken Ray, Sarah Reichelt,  
>> Alex Rice, Frederic  Rinaldi, Scott Rossi, Wilhelm Sanke, Jan  
>> Schenkel, Shao Sean, Hugh  Senior, Dan Shafer, Chipp Walters and  
>> Mark Wieder!
>> All stuff you need is there :-)
>
> This is a tremendous resource.  Many thanks to Eric for the hard  
> work he put into building and maintaining this useful masterpiece.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed May 23 11:25:45 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:25:45 +0200
Subject: How to find amazing stuff - Kudos to Eric!
In-Reply-To: <56005C59-5A55-4434-8379-82E0962A8002@mac.com>
References: <465457D8.5070704@fourthworld.com>
	<56005C59-5A55-4434-8379-82E0962A8002@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4529C33B-B455-42E7-8E67-8EFD4A04C382@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Andre,

LOL
Have you lost your suitcase again?

Default settings for Soap Dog Studio_Andre Garzia lead to http:// 
homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default? 
user=soapdog&templatefn=FileSharing12.html&xmlfn=TKDocument. 
12.xml&sitefn=RootSite.xml&aff=consumer&cty=US&lang=en

You would have found it directly by selecting the 'Go to/Soap Dog  
Studio_Andre Garzia' menu item in the contextual menu from the Web  
database pane of the Rev Search Engine :-)
But this page no longer exists as a file sharing page.

I take the opportunity to tell to all that it would be a good idea to  
inform me when urls change...
Even if anybody can reassign manually a new url to any link, add or  
remove all what he/she wants.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Le 23 mai 07 ? 17:12, Andre Garzia a ?crit :

> Eric,
>
> can you tell me which URL you're indexing from my site, I am  
> rebuilding it and I could make it easier to find stuff. :-)
>
> (you know I use that tool almost every day! Thanks for making it)
> andre
>
> On May 23, 2007, at 12:03 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Eric Chatonet wrote:
>>> It seems like many of us do not know the Rev Search engine (Rev  
>>> 2.7  or later) you can access by clicking on the last tab in Rev  
>>> help.
>>> And I don't say that only because I wrote it ;-)
>>> In Tiemo case:
>>> 1. Bring up the Search engine.
>>> 2. Select 'Web Database' pane in the tool bar.
>>> 3. Type for instance: 'enh' (three first chars of 'Enhanced QT')
>>> 4. You get instantly three results and among them: Mango   
>>> Multimedia_T. DeVore
>>> 5. Just click on it and and http://mangomultimedia.com/developer/  
>>> revolution/ is open in your default browser.
>>> The Rev Search engine allows to do many search types: docs,  
>>> mailing  lists, users groups and a web database you may customize  
>>> that comes  with links to the following Revolution expert web sites:
>>> Xavier Bury, Geoff Canyon, Alejandro Tejada Capellan, Eric  
>>> Chatonet,  Bjoernkes Corner, Jerry Daniels, Trevor DeVore, Andre  
>>> Garzia, Richard  Gaskin, Jacqueline Landman Gay, Monte Goulding,  
>>> Jim Hurley, Marielle  Lange, Klaus Major, Ken Ray, Sarah  
>>> Reichelt, Alex Rice, Frederic  Rinaldi, Scott Rossi, Wilhelm  
>>> Sanke, Jan Schenkel, Shao Sean, Hugh  Senior, Dan Shafer, Chipp  
>>> Walters and Mark Wieder!
>>> All stuff you need is there :-)
>>
>> This is a tremendous resource.  Many thanks to Eric for the hard  
>> work he put into building and maintaining this useful masterpiece.
>>
>> -- 
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>>  _______________________________________________________
>>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
>> _______________________________________________

----------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
----------------------------------------------------------------




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May 23 11:59:09 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 08:59:09 -0700
Subject: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find Trevors
 Enhanced QT Externals?)
Message-ID: <465464CD.1090007@fourthworld.com>

Roger.E.Eller wrote:
> The new Rev Search engine is nice, but like Rev Online and Rev Net, it has
> never worked for me (while at work - where it is needed most), but works
> fine from home. At work, there is a corporate firewall that requires
> authentication for outgoing connections to the internet. Web browsers
> prompt for user/pass, but Rev just sits and looks at me funny. I am willing
> to work with you off-list to help figure out the problem if you have some
> time.

If your network setup is affecting all of these tools, I wonder if it 
may be best to go straight to the source and see if libURL could be 
enhanced to support what you need.

Dave Cragg, any thoughts on this?  Is there perhaps something we could 
be doing to accommodate Roger's network with what's in libURL now?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Wed May 23 12:04:33 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:04:33 -0300
Subject: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find Trevors
	Enhanced QT Externals?)
In-Reply-To: <465464CD.1090007@fourthworld.com>
References: <465464CD.1090007@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C4B2995C-9AD0-4588-8040-AEF9F6115FEA@mac.com>

it could be proxy support. Maybe it's not a firewall issue but his  
corporate network uses proxies and he hasn't setup one with Rev.

andre

On May 23, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Roger.E.Eller wrote:
>> The new Rev Search engine is nice, but like Rev Online and Rev  
>> Net, it has
>> never worked for me (while at work - where it is needed most), but  
>> works
>> fine from home. At work, there is a corporate firewall that requires
>> authentication for outgoing connections to the internet. Web browsers
>> prompt for user/pass, but Rev just sits and looks at me funny. I  
>> am willing
>> to work with you off-list to help figure out the problem if you  
>> have some
>> time.
>
> If your network setup is affecting all of these tools, I wonder if  
> it may be best to go straight to the source and see if libURL could  
> be enhanced to support what you need.
>
> Dave Cragg, any thoughts on this?  Is there perhaps something we  
> could be doing to accommodate Roger's network with what's in libURL  
> now?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From soapdog at mac.com  Wed May 23 12:08:55 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:08:55 -0300
Subject: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find Trevors
	Enhanced QT Externals?)
In-Reply-To: <C4B2995C-9AD0-4588-8040-AEF9F6115FEA@mac.com>
References: <465464CD.1090007@fourthworld.com>
	<C4B2995C-9AD0-4588-8040-AEF9F6115FEA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FAB28C27-A5A2-47BF-8894-ABD555A3474B@mac.com>

oops... forget about that... I just saw the part about login.

if you login from the web browser, can you use rev online after that  
procedure?

andre

On May 23, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> it could be proxy support. Maybe it's not a firewall issue but his  
> corporate network uses proxies and he hasn't setup one with Rev.
>
> andre
>
> On May 23, 2007, at 12:59 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Roger.E.Eller wrote:
>>> The new Rev Search engine is nice, but like Rev Online and Rev  
>>> Net, it has
>>> never worked for me (while at work - where it is needed most),  
>>> but works
>>> fine from home. At work, there is a corporate firewall that requires
>>> authentication for outgoing connections to the internet. Web  
>>> browsers
>>> prompt for user/pass, but Rev just sits and looks at me funny. I  
>>> am willing
>>> to work with you off-list to help figure out the problem if you  
>>> have some
>>> time.
>>
>> If your network setup is affecting all of these tools, I wonder if  
>> it may be best to go straight to the source and see if libURL  
>> could be enhanced to support what you need.
>>
>> Dave Cragg, any thoughts on this?  Is there perhaps something we  
>> could be doing to accommodate Roger's network with what's in  
>> libURL now?
>>
>> -- 
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>>  _______________________________________________________
>>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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From bvg at mac.com  Wed May 23 12:24:04 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:24:04 +0200
Subject: Embedding font in downloaded .rev stack
In-Reply-To: <c95.104f3d44.338371b9@aol.com>
References: <c95.104f3d44.338371b9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7a1327a1ca0ebc109cdf3465b9fcb5ff@mac.com>

http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=775

On 22 May 2007, at 00:05, RGould8 at aol.com wrote:

> Say, has anyone created a demo stack of how one goes about embedding 
> and
> displaying a font in a .rev file that's downloaded by a separate 
> standalone
> executible.
>
> I've seen demos of loading and unloading font files, but I haven't 
> seen a
> successful example of embedding a font (particularly in a stack that's 
> downloaded
> from another stack, and used)
>
>
> **************************************
>  See
> what's free at http://www.aol.com.
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Wed May 23 13:08:47 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 18:08:47 +0100 (BST)
Subject: HyperStudio - Flushed Away?
Message-ID: <468263.63376.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Mooching about on the internet - as one does - noticed
that HyperStudio still sitteth at 4.5:

http://www.hyperstudio.com/

no sign of a Mac OS X version 5 years (6 ?) after Mac
OS x's release.

nothing about Microsoft Vista.

looks dead to me.

Why would I pay for this?

Now, re my earlier posting about Ease-of-use, if
RunRev made a little bit more effort, they might be
able to take over HyperStudio's niche: mind you, if
they use a foul dachshund as a marketing ploy you
won't get me recommending them.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 23 14:04:34 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:04:34 -0500
Subject: More - Read File at > 2GB Problem
In-Reply-To: <3f07cc260705230705v3c2fbbbeod00a582f45449f83@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200705162255.l4GMt2Q1020132@ms-smtp-01.rdc-nyc.rr.com>	<3f07cc260705230704r6c470020y744c99e408293ca8@mail.gmail.com>
	<3f07cc260705230705v3c2fbbbeod00a582f45449f83@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46548232.5000205@hyperactivesw.com>

Howard Bornstein wrote:
> I have what I think is a related problem. I've written a simple file-joiner
> program that joins file segments together. I've run into a problem where it
> chokes on joining files when the total file size is about 2 GB. I'm simply
> reading in the segments and writing them out consecutively to a single 
> file.
> Is Rev completely unable to deal with files greater than about 2 GB?

Mark Waddingham verified today that there is a limitation on files 
larger than 2 gigs. I've written up a bug report, #5078, and he says it 
will be fixed in the next release.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Wed May 23 15:30:42 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:30:42 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: how to do .import with revdb_execute (sqlite)?
References: <20070521231617803770.9ae5fb0d@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <46549661.000001.01100@MAZYTIS>

revdb_execute(dbID,".import '" & myFile & "' 'Lookup'") throws an error:
near "." syntax error. Same command works from shell with external sqlite
installation or from commandline. Is there any other way to import tab
delimited file into database table directly through revdb_execute ? Are
there any alternative recipes? SQL INSERTs are so much slower, therefore I
would prefer .import... 
 
Thanks in advance! 
Viktoras


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Wed May 23 17:44:31 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 23:44:31 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <4654B5BF.6070602@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On 23 May 2007, at 09:17, Ian Wood wrote:

> >> Obviously this isn't a problem for images that have been 'saved as'  
> >> with the EXIF data stripped out because they will have a new valid  
> >> creation date being new files, but people do it to original files  
> >> as well (or copies if they know what's good for them...).
>
> Wilhelm - out of curiosity, what would you regard as the 'correct'  
> creation date for an image that has been opened, edited and saved to  
> a new file?
>
> Ian


First of all, I would like to have a correct creation date - the day the 
photo was taken - for all images whose contents remain unchanged 
although they may have been copied, transferred to another volume, or 
saved under they original or even a new name. As we have seen, this is 
not guaranteed, and the detailed-files function does not help much here.

For an "edited" image this is a question to what extent changes were 
made, e.g. if only basic properties like contrast, color balance etc. 
were edited then I would prefer to keep the original creation date. If 
you more or less produce a new picture on the basis of the original one, 
it seems obvious that one should choose the modification date as the new 
creation date.

The best alternative would be to have a choice: There are even tools 
that allow you to save the EXIF data before editing and then add them 
again after the image has been changed, like "Exifer" for Windows.-

Another remark concerning my request to add the EXIF creation date to 
the detailed files: I see that the detailed-files function also collects 
platform-specific information, where the information is simply left out 
for the corresponding item when it does not apply for a platform. The 
arguments of  Jim and Jaqueline need of course to be considered, 
especially the possible slowdown of data retrieval, but the extent of a 
decreased speed could be tested in practice.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May 23 17:54:26 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 14:54:26 -0700
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <4654B812.6000306@fourthworld.com>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
> The best alternative would be to have a choice: There are even tools 
> that allow you to save the EXIF data before editing and then add them 
> again after the image has been changed, like "Exifer" for Windows.-
> 
> Another remark concerning my request to add the EXIF creation date to 
> the detailed files: I see that the detailed-files function also collects 
> platform-specific information, where the information is simply left out 
> for the corresponding item when it does not apply for a platform. The 
> arguments of  Jim and Jaqueline need of course to be considered, 
> especially the possible slowdown of data retrieval, but the extent of a 
> decreased speed could be tested in practice.

Right now Rev uses the OS APIs to get the file info, so it's about as 
efficient as it can be.

I can see the benefit of using EXIF, but since this requires additional 
work and processing time, and only applies to a subset of a very small 
number of file tyes, this sounds like an excellent candidate for an 
external.

Anyone here interested in writing it?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From philip at accentonrugs.com  Wed May 23 18:31:25 2007
From: philip at accentonrugs.com (Phil Brouwer)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:31:25 -0700
Subject: Vector illustrations in Revolution
Message-ID: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>

Hello

Exploring Revolution...here is my first question that I did not find readily
in the docs.

How do I import vector based graphic files.  My ideal would be to use
Illustrator files that are layered.  I want to create a coloring book...each
layer responding to input.

I see that vector is supported in the descriptions, but I have tried
creating an illustrator file..and exported it in a couple formats...but
Revolution does not recognize.  I am able to import jpg easily.

What vector formats can be imported into Rev?

Thanks in advance for any initial help.

PS... I am looking to move from iShell to Revolution.  I really admire the
ease of building apps that look correct on each platform.  My primary
project built in iShell is a coloring book on steroids.  Biggest downside of
iShell that appears to be more problematic with Vista is its reliance on
Quicktime.  So I am looking at moving on.

Thanks

Phil Brouwer



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed May 23 18:36:47 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:36:47 -0500
Subject: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find Trevors
	Enhanced QT Externals?)
In-Reply-To: <FAB28C27-A5A2-47BF-8894-ABD555A3474B@mac.com>
References: <465464CD.1090007@fourthworld.com>
	<C4B2995C-9AD0-4588-8040-AEF9F6115FEA@mac.com>
	<FAB28C27-A5A2-47BF-8894-ABD555A3474B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705231536l6d67b5e6i6dc5771b1a2dd4d6@mail.gmail.com>

It sounds like a proxy server issue. Richard, libURL does have support
for some different types  of authentication. Basic Authentication
comes with it. Chris here at Altuit developed an NTLM authentication
external for Windows which worked well with libURL as well.

Authentication via proxy is a very complicated issue, and for now it's
best to have an administrator provide a 'pinprick' through the
firewall for the requested ipAddress/domain.

best,
Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed May 23 18:38:00 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:38:00 -0500
Subject: Embedding font in downloaded .rev stack
In-Reply-To: <7a1327a1ca0ebc109cdf3465b9fcb5ff@mac.com>
References: <c95.104f3d44.338371b9@aol.com>
	<7a1327a1ca0ebc109cdf3465b9fcb5ff@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705231538i73d85737mcaf05e5abee9eac1@mail.gmail.com>

You can check out the article at RevCentral:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number6/default.htm


From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May 23 18:44:23 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:44:23 -0700
Subject: Vector illustrations in Revolution
In-Reply-To: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
References: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
Message-ID: <F4B58066-FF3F-450B-8776-8947533DA180@cox.net>

Hi Phil,

I've just completed a coloring book using Rev. The original artwork  
for it was actually drawn on paper. At some point the sketches were  
scanned and eventually after going through a number of metamorphoses  
ended up as jpgs. But I also cleaned up some of them with a drawing  
program called MacDraft, which is able to save in a number of  
different formats. MD is a vector program, so you could easily copy  
from whatever it is you're using now and paste the drawings into MD;  
then save as jpgs for use in Rev. With Rev. these may either be  
imported or pasted to individual cards. Once they are on the cards,  
you can use the paint bucket (brush) tool to paint areas with  
different colors. I don't use Illustrator, but I should think it  
would also be able to save as jpg files. No?

Joe Wilkins

On May 23, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Phil Brouwer wrote:

> Hello
>
> Exploring Revolution...here is my first question that I did not  
> find readily
> in the docs.
>
> How do I import vector based graphic files.  My ideal would be to use
> Illustrator files that are layered.  I want to create a coloring  
> book...each
> layer responding to input.
>
> I see that vector is supported in the descriptions, but I have tried
> creating an illustrator file..and exported it in a couple  
> formats...but
> Revolution does not recognize.  I am able to import jpg easily.
>
> What vector formats can be imported into Rev?
>
> Thanks in advance for any initial help.
>
> PS... I am looking to move from iShell to Revolution.  I really  
> admire the
> ease of building apps that look correct on each platform.  My primary
> project built in iShell is a coloring book on steroids.  Biggest  
> downside of
> iShell that appears to be more problematic with Vista is its  
> reliance on
> Quicktime.  So I am looking at moving on.
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil Brouwer
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From philip at accentonrugs.com  Wed May 23 18:49:56 2007
From: philip at accentonrugs.com (Phil Brouwer)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 15:49:56 -0700
Subject: Vector illustrations in Revolution
In-Reply-To: <F4B58066-FF3F-450B-8776-8947533DA180@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C27A1324.76BF%philip@accentonrugs.com>

Joe

I am a bit confused here.  I thought it was possible to use Vector files in
Revolution.  Ideally I want vector, so I am not dependant on bitmap size.

My current iShell project is photoshop layer based...with alpha channels for
good but not great resolution.  My ideal would be vector, so the prints
would have much higher resolution.

Is this not possible in Revolution?

Thanks

Phil

> Hi Phil,
> 
> I've just completed a coloring book using Rev. The original artwork
> for it was actually drawn on paper. At some point the sketches were
> scanned and eventually after going through a number of metamorphoses
> ended up as jpgs. But I also cleaned up some of them with a drawing
> program called MacDraft, which is able to save in a number of
> different formats. MD is a vector program, so you could easily copy
> from whatever it is you're using now and paste the drawings into MD;
> then save as jpgs for use in Rev. With Rev. these may either be
> imported or pasted to individual cards. Once they are on the cards,
> you can use the paint bucket (brush) tool to paint areas with
> different colors. I don't use Illustrator, but I should think it
> would also be able to save as jpg files. No?
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 
> On May 23, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Phil Brouwer wrote:
> 
>> Hello
>> 
>> Exploring Revolution...here is my first question that I did not
>> find readily
>> in the docs.
>> 
>> How do I import vector based graphic files.  My ideal would be to use
>> Illustrator files that are layered.  I want to create a coloring
>> book...each
>> layer responding to input.
>> 
>> I see that vector is supported in the descriptions, but I have tried
>> creating an illustrator file..and exported it in a couple
>> formats...but
>> Revolution does not recognize.  I am able to import jpg easily.
>> 
>> What vector formats can be imported into Rev?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any initial help.
>> 
>> PS... I am looking to move from iShell to Revolution.  I really
>> admire the
>> ease of building apps that look correct on each platform.  My primary
>> project built in iShell is a coloring book on steroids.  Biggest
>> downside of
>> iShell that appears to be more problematic with Vista is its
>> reliance on
>> Quicktime.  So I am looking at moving on.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Phil Brouwer
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
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From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Wed May 23 18:50:31 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:50:31 -0600
Subject: Vector illustrations in Revolution
In-Reply-To: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
References: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
Message-ID: <1EBB9621-106E-4F98-8AD2-855F917A4AED@gmail.com>

Hello.

I'm not entirely sure how one would go about working with layered  
vector graphics in Revolution. The claim to Vector graphics is  
referring to graphic objects created in revolution - You can custom  
draw lines and shapes, but it's nowhere near as powerful as a *real*  
vector graphic. You can import EPS files, however, and those do  
support vector graphics. You might have more luck with those.

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center



From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May 23 19:03:45 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:03:45 -0700
Subject: Vector illustrations in Revolution
In-Reply-To: <C27A1324.76BF%philip@accentonrugs.com>
References: <C27A1324.76BF%philip@accentonrugs.com>
Message-ID: <A8D4E43A-C9AA-4801-86E9-8DA82F93D16F@cox.net>

I think Brent explained things pretty much as I understand them as  
well; but I haven't found the resolution of the jpgs objectionable,  
even when printed out. Of course, I actually wanted the appearance to  
be somewhat crude as with hand drawn pictures. Your requirements may  
be more acute, wanting things to appear more polished.

Joe Wilkins

On May 23, 2007, at 3:49 PM, Phil Brouwer wrote:

> Joe
>
> I am a bit confused here.  I thought it was possible to use Vector  
> files in
> Revolution.  Ideally I want vector, so I am not dependant on bitmap  
> size.
>
> My current iShell project is photoshop layer based...with alpha  
> channels for
> good but not great resolution.  My ideal would be vector, so the  
> prints
> would have much higher resolution.
>
> Is this not possible in Revolution?
>
> Thanks
>
> Phil
>
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> I've just completed a coloring book using Rev. The original artwork
>> for it was actually drawn on paper. At some point the sketches were
>> scanned and eventually after going through a number of metamorphoses
>> ended up as jpgs. But I also cleaned up some of them with a drawing
>> program called MacDraft, which is able to save in a number of
>> different formats. MD is a vector program, so you could easily copy
>> from whatever it is you're using now and paste the drawings into MD;
>> then save as jpgs for use in Rev. With Rev. these may either be
>> imported or pasted to individual cards. Once they are on the cards,
>> you can use the paint bucket (brush) tool to paint areas with
>> different colors. I don't use Illustrator, but I should think it
>> would also be able to save as jpg files. No?
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>> On May 23, 2007, at 3:31 PM, Phil Brouwer wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> Exploring Revolution...here is my first question that I did not
>>> find readily
>>> in the docs.
>>>
>>> How do I import vector based graphic files.  My ideal would be to  
>>> use
>>> Illustrator files that are layered.  I want to create a coloring
>>> book...each
>>> layer responding to input.
>>>
>>> I see that vector is supported in the descriptions, but I have tried
>>> creating an illustrator file..and exported it in a couple
>>> formats...but
>>> Revolution does not recognize.  I am able to import jpg easily.
>>>
>>> What vector formats can be imported into Rev?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any initial help.
>>>
>>> PS... I am looking to move from iShell to Revolution.  I really
>>> admire the
>>> ease of building apps that look correct on each platform.  My  
>>> primary
>>> project built in iShell is a coloring book on steroids.  Biggest
>>> downside of
>>> iShell that appears to be more problematic with Vista is its
>>> reliance on
>>> Quicktime.  So I am looking at moving on.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Phil Brouwer
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription
>> preferences:
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>>
>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed May 23 19:08:12 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:08:12 -0700
Subject: Vector illustrations in Revolution
In-Reply-To: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
Message-ID: <C27A176C.26505%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Phil Brouwer wrote:

> I see that vector is supported in the descriptions, but I have tried
> creating an illustrator file..and exported it in a couple formats...but
> Revolution does not recognize.  I am able to import jpg easily.
> 
> What vector formats can be imported into Rev?

Revolution has it's own vector format, but currently doesn't support
importing of any common vector formats for editing. There is also no
subpixel positioning of points, which can make display of vector objects
somewhat coarse at times.

However, Alejandro Tejada has built some tools for importing rudimentary
Illustrator vectors into Rev.  You must use a version 7 or 8 generated
Illustrator file and I believe special effects/fills (?) are not supported,
though this may have changed.  Some links:

http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/mcEpsImportV03p.zip
http://www.geocities.com/capellan2000/Eps_Import_V04.zip

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Thu May 24 00:06:16 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 00:06:16 -0400
Subject: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find
 Trevors	Enhanced QT Externals?)
In-Reply-To: <FAB28C27-A5A2-47BF-8894-ABD555A3474B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <OFD7AB8A01.BFD0522D-ON852572E5.00149BCE-852572E5.0015808D@sealedair.com>

Andre Garzia wrote:
> it could be proxy support. Maybe it's not a firewall issue but his
> corporate network uses proxies and he hasn't setup one with Rev.

But my proxy prefs are set.

> oops... forget about that... I just saw the part about login.
>
> if you login from the web browser, can you use rev online after that
> procedure?
>
> andre

No, the web browser authentication has no affect on Rev Online.

Chip Walters wrote:
> Authentication via proxy is a very complicated issue, and for now it's
> best to have an administrator provide a 'pinprick' through the
> firewall for the requested ipAddress/domain.

Hahahaha! Administrators will never go for that idea. Besides, the new rev
search area seems to be contacting multiple resources with many
ipAddresses/domains.

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> If your network setup is affecting all of these tools, I wonder if
> it may be best to go straight to the source and see if libURL
> could be enhanced to support what you need.
>
> Dave Cragg, any thoughts on this?  Is there perhaps something we
> could be doing to accommodate Roger's network with what's in
> libURL now?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin

Good idea!  Dave, please ask Hal what he thinks. ;-)  "I'm sorry Dave, but
accomodating the one user that has this problem could negatively affect the
remaining hundreds of users that are not using a proxy server." <big
smiley>

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu May 24 00:41:10 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 21:41:10 -0700
Subject: Vector illustrations in Revolution
In-Reply-To: <F4B58066-FF3F-450B-8776-8947533DA180@cox.net>
References: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
	<F4B58066-FF3F-450B-8776-8947533DA180@cox.net>
Message-ID: <p06240801c27ac28b9c32@[192.168.1.103]>

I've been a MacDraft user since 1988. It can export in a few formats, 
but the only one that it saves or exports that directly imports into 
Rev is Enhanced PICT Export from MacDraft and that's a bitmap 
graphic, not vector.

On import Rev will ask if you want to import as a PNG (cross 
platform) or PICT (not cross platform).

Another approach would be to save out of MacDraft as DXF (a vector 
based text format description language) . Anybody up for a a 
DXF-to-Rev object translator?

sqb


>Hi Phil,
>
>I've just completed a coloring book using Rev. The original artwork 
>for it was actually drawn on paper. At some point the sketches were 
>scanned and eventually after going through a number of metamorphoses 
>ended up as jpgs. But I also cleaned up some of them with a drawing 
>program called MacDraft, which is able to save in a number of 
>different formats. MD is a vector program, so you could easily copy 
>from whatever it is you're using now and paste the drawings into MD; 
>then save as jpgs for use in Rev. With Rev. these may either be 
>imported or pasted to individual cards. Once they are on the cards, 
>you can use the paint bucket (brush) tool to paint areas with 
>different colors. I don't use Illustrator, but I should think it 
>would also be able to save as jpg files. No?
>
>Joe Wilkins

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From pepetoo at cox.net  Thu May 24 01:29:07 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:29:07 -0700
Subject: Vector illustrations in Revolution
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c27ac28b9c32@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
	<F4B58066-FF3F-450B-8776-8947533DA180@cox.net>
	<p06240801c27ac28b9c32@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <ECF6D4A6-8AC9-4096-83D6-6E4B48AE9F6B@cox.net>

Me too, Stephen; maybe even a year or so earlier; but I keep an OS 9  
version around since it exports in a lot of formats that MD seems to  
have dumped with their OSX version; however, they are all - as you  
said  - bitmapped rather than vector, though the MD drawings  
themselves are vector. I rarely use the OSX version because of its  
transparency.

Joe Wilkins

On May 23, 2007, at 9:41 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> I've been a MacDraft user since 1988. It can export in a few  
> formats, but the only one that it saves or exports that directly  
> imports into Rev is Enhanced PICT Export from MacDraft and that's a  
> bitmap graphic, not vector.
>
> On import Rev will ask if you want to import as a PNG (cross  
> platform) or PICT (not cross platform).
>
> Another approach would be to save out of MacDraft as DXF (a vector  
> based text format description language) . Anybody up for a a DXF-to- 
> Rev object translator?
>
> sqb
>
>
>> Hi Phil,
>>
>> I've just completed a coloring book using Rev. The original  
>> artwork for it was actually drawn on paper. At some point the  
>> sketches were scanned and eventually after going through a number  
>> of metamorphoses ended up as jpgs. But I also cleaned up some of  
>> them with a drawing program called MacDraft, which is able to save  
>> in a number of different formats. MD is a vector program, so you  
>> could easily copy from whatever it is you're using now and paste  
>> the drawings into MD; then save as jpgs for use in Rev. With Rev.  
>> these may either be imported or pasted to individual cards. Once  
>> they are on the cards, you can use the paint bucket (brush) tool  
>> to paint areas with different colors. I don't use Illustrator, but  
>> I should think it would also be able to save as jpg files. No?
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>
>
>
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu May 24 01:44:51 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:44:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NTLK] Macworld: Feature: Apple's greatest hits: 30 significant
 products (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705232243520.26276-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

This, from the Newton-Talk list.

Sorry if it is seriously redundant, but Hypercard comes in at No. 24:

http://www.macworld.com/products/anniversary/Hypercard.php

Judy



From chipp at chipp.com  Thu May 24 01:46:45 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 00:46:45 -0500
Subject: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find Trevors
	Enhanced QT Externals?)
In-Reply-To: <OFD7AB8A01.BFD0522D-ON852572E5.00149BCE-852572E5.0015808D@sealedair.com>
References: <FAB28C27-A5A2-47BF-8894-ABD555A3474B@mac.com>
	<OFD7AB8A01.BFD0522D-ON852572E5.00149BCE-852572E5.0015808D@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705232246s5f6f96b6o4612de2649caa62c@mail.gmail.com>

Roger,

Just because your proxy prefs are set _for your browser_ does not mean
Rev can use them. Yes, you are correct, your admin won't want to
create umpteen hundred 'pin pricks,' but it is a solution for 'single
ip address' type issues.


From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu May 24 02:56:36 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:56:36 +0200
Subject: Mysteroius rev ghost buttons
Message-ID: <002601c79dd0$b132bfc0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello,

I have a very strange phenomenon. After some time (10-30 clicks), using my
standalone on Mac (created on Win) 3 rev buttons appear somewhere in the
upper third of my application. The labels of the 3 buttons are:
"revGeometryBack" "revCommon" and "revLibURL" Using the standalone on Win,
they don't appear. I realy don't know what strange phenomenon this is and
what I can do to prevent it. Has anyone ever seen these three buttons?

Any hint appreciated!

Tiemo

 

 

 



From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Thu May 24 04:16:15 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:16:15 +0200
Subject: Vector illustrations in Revolution
References: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
Message-ID: <465549CE.8E8FA555@club-internet.fr>



Phil,

>
> What vector formats can be imported into Rev?

Have you tried the pdf option ?

Illustrator can export vector files as pdf.
AFAIR pdf files can be displayed in Rev players on MacOSX
and it should be also possible on Windows using altBrowser...

JB



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu May 24 04:25:14 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:25:14 +0100
Subject: How to find amazing stuff (was: Re: Where do I find Trevors
	Enhanced QT Externals?)
In-Reply-To: <465464CD.1090007@fourthworld.com>
References: <465464CD.1090007@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0F7B175F-3D62-443C-896E-712D577C6CED@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 23 May 2007, at 16:59, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Roger.E.Eller wrote:
>> The new Rev Search engine is nice, but like Rev Online and Rev  
>> Net, it has
>> never worked for me (while at work - where it is needed most), but  
>> works
>> fine from home. At work, there is a corporate firewall that requires
>> authentication for outgoing connections to the internet. Web browsers
>> prompt for user/pass, but Rev just sits and looks at me funny. I  
>> am willing
>> to work with you off-list to help figure out the problem if you  
>> have some
>> time.
>
> If your network setup is affecting all of these tools, I wonder if  
> it may be best to go straight to the source and see if libURL could  
> be enhanced to support what you need.
>
> Dave Cragg, any thoughts on this?  Is there perhaps something we  
> could be doing to accommodate Roger's network with what's in libURL  
> now?

Absolutely maybe.

As others have pointed out, it's probably a proxy issue.

If users are being prompted for name and password in their browsers,  
there's a fair chance (not guaranteed) it is using Basic  
authentication. If so, you're in luck.

I see the docs aren't complete about the support that libUrl  
provides. Take a look here for more details:

http://www.lacscentre.co.uk/liburl/liburldoc.html#libUrlSetAuthCallback

It has a simple example for handling Basic authentication.

If you find you need NTLM support, you can contact me off list. I  
have the external that Chipp mentioned, and some sample scripts.

Cheers
Dave


From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu May 24 04:44:03 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:44:03 +0100
Subject: Externals and Memory Leaks???
In-Reply-To: <ECF6D4A6-8AC9-4096-83D6-6E4B48AE9F6B@cox.net>
References: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
	<F4B58066-FF3F-450B-8776-8947533DA180@cox.net>
	<p06240801c27ac28b9c32@[192.168.1.103]>
	<ECF6D4A6-8AC9-4096-83D6-6E4B48AE9F6B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <269CA2B4-B371-4D9C-9FC6-48CC8728BA28@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I have a Stack that uses two functions from an external:

XGetData("myTempData")
XProcessData(myTempData,"myNewData")

XGetData() Gets the data into the correct format and stores it in the  
RunRev variable "myTempData".

XProcessData() takes the data in "myTempData", processes it and puts  
the results into "myNewData".

This all works well and produces good results, the only problem is  
that memory seems to be leaking by quite a lot and the two data  
buffers here are quite large.

In the external, I use malloc() to allocate the buffers and then use  
"SetVariableEx()" to pass it back to RunRev. My question is, who is  
responsible for freeing the data?

I am guessing that the on each subsequent call to the External  
Functions causes a new block to be allocated and overwrites the  
contents of the old RunRev "ExternalString" structure without first  
freeing it. How should I handle this? Do I need to check if the  
variable passed into my external already has data allocated and if so  
either free or re-use the data (the block sizes are likely to be the  
same).

Any advice or help on this greatly appreciated.

All the Best
Dave

PS

I set the External Variable using the following function:


OSStatus LTWLibraryUtilsSetExternalVariablePtr(	char*				 
theVariableNamePtr,
												const char*			theVariablePtr,
												long				theVariableSize)
{
ExternalString				myExternalVariableInfo;
int							myRunRevStatus;

//**
//**	Get the External Variable
//**
myExternalVariableInfo.buffer = theVariablePtr;
myExternalVariableInfo.length = theVariableSize;
SetVariableEx 
(theVariableNamePtr,"",&myExternalVariableInfo,&myRunRevStatus);
if (myRunRevStatus == EXTERNAL_FAILURE)
	return(kRunRevVariableNotDefined);
	
//**
//**	Good Return
//**
return(noErr);
}



From david at openpartnership.net  Thu May 24 04:53:39 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 09:53:39 +0100
Subject: Can't quit Rev - things to look for?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705240153n7b3ab9fegcfb2ee517465818c@mail.gmail.com>

I am addicted I confess! Try as I might - I just can't quit. It's not just a
case of will power - most usually I leave the computer sleeping and Rev open
and make a regular svn backup of everything before I go to bed - or watch
Liverpool loose.... but recently I have been taking the precaution of
actually shutting down the computer - only to find that my beloved
Revolution will not let me quit?

I can work, save do everything but quit. Is this a plot by RunRev I here you
ask, to make us all do nothing other than use their IDE? No.... I think I
have done something wrong, and am being punished for it. Most likely it is
an external loaded, which won't let the stack close until it is unloaded....
but where and which one? It seems that manually opening each stack and
closing it allows me to quit, but I got very, very bored after the 30th
stack and still not able to quit.

Perhaps I need to write a script to run through the open stacks and find out
where the problem is? There can be anywhere between 25 and 50 in memory.
While I am on the question can someone help me with the difference between
an external package, and an externals... etc. Bundles OK - but what is a
package?


From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu May 24 05:28:45 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:28:45 +0100
Subject: Getting Started in XML
In-Reply-To: <4654B812.6000306@fourthworld.com>
References: <4654B812.6000306@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <421FD82F-00C0-4FC7-9396-33ECD17CA248@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I need to generate a fairly simple XML file. I started looking at the  
revXMLxxx functions but can't seem to get started. Is there any  
Simple Sample Code that generates an XML file I could look at?

Thanks a Lot
All the Best
Dave



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Thu May 24 05:36:24 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 10:36:24 +0100
Subject: Getting Started in XML
In-Reply-To: <421FD82F-00C0-4FC7-9396-33ECD17CA248@looktowindward.com>
References: <4654B812.6000306@fourthworld.com>
	<421FD82F-00C0-4FC7-9396-33ECD17CA248@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <A8575ED3-60C2-4F19-AFD6-5430DB5B3875@azurevision.co.uk>

Sarah's tutorial is a good start: <http://www.troz.net/Rev/ 
tutorials.php>.

Ian

On 24 May 2007, at 10:28, Dave wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I need to generate a fairly simple XML file. I started looking at  
> the revXMLxxx functions but can't seem to get started. Is there any  
> Simple Sample Code that generates an XML file I could look at?
>
> Thanks a Lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 24 05:57:26 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:57:26 +1000
Subject: Mysteroius rev ghost buttons
In-Reply-To: <002601c79dd0$b132bfc0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <002601c79dd0$b132bfc0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705240257j5266afb1w2a8250c5a05c268@mail.gmail.com>

> I have a very strange phenomenon. After some time (10-30 clicks), using my
> standalone on Mac (created on Win) 3 rev buttons appear somewhere in the
> upper third of my application. The labels of the 3 buttons are:
> "revGeometryBack" "revCommon" and "revLibURL" Using the standalone on Win,
> they don't appear. I realy don't know what strange phenomenon this is and
> what I can do to prevent it. Has anyone ever seen these three buttons?
>

These 3 buttons include some of the standard Rev libraries and so are
included in standalones whenever needed. Usually they are invisible,
so it may be that you have a script that makes them visible. If you
loop throught buttons making them all visible, then check for button
names starting with "rev" and exclude them from any processing.

Cheers,
Sarah


From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu May 24 06:19:31 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:19:31 +0200
Subject: AW: Mysteroius rev ghost buttons
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705240257j5266afb1w2a8250c5a05c268@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003201c79ded$076d92e0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi Sarah,
that's interesting. Though I don't have any loops showing buttons, nore
showing them explicit, I have a hint, where these ghosts come from! If I
won't find any explanation why they appear, I can at least hide them
everytime I click any other button :) no real solution, but perhaps it
prevents them to appear again.
Thanks
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Sarah Reichelt
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Mai 2007 11:57
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Mysteroius rev ghost buttons
> 
> > I have a very strange phenomenon. After some time (10-30 clicks), using
> my
> > standalone on Mac (created on Win) 3 rev buttons appear somewhere in the
> > upper third of my application. The labels of the 3 buttons are:
> > "revGeometryBack" "revCommon" and "revLibURL" Using the standalone on
> Win,
> > they don't appear. I realy don't know what strange phenomenon this is
> and
> > what I can do to prevent it. Has anyone ever seen these three buttons?
> >
> 
> These 3 buttons include some of the standard Rev libraries and so are
> included in standalones whenever needed. Usually they are invisible,
> so it may be that you have a script that makes them visible. If you
> loop throught buttons making them all visible, then check for button
> names starting with "rev" and exclude them from any processing.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From revolution at derbrill.de  Thu May 24 07:25:22 2007
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 13:25:22 +0200
Subject: Can't quit Rev - things to look for?
In-Reply-To: <20070226173541.69FB84891D9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070226173541.69FB84891D9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1D3E4E31-208E-445E-89ED-0ACAF2391AC6@derbrill.de>

Hi David,

any timers running? Did you try lock messages before quitting?
Check if the pendingmessages are empty.

All the best,

Malte


From alptex2 at orwell.net  Thu May 24 08:23:50 2007
From: alptex2 at orwell.net (Tim Ponn)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:23:50 -0400
Subject: Vector illustrations in Revolution
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c27ac28b9c32@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
	<F4B58066-FF3F-450B-8776-8947533DA180@cox.net>
	<p06240801c27ac28b9c32@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <D0FE967D-6613-4F54-A6B0-1F144F973008@orwell.net>


On May 24, 2007, at 12:41 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Anybody up for a a DXF-to-Rev object translator?


The good news...I've got a project going that I call "chatCAD".   
Scenario: two engineers chatting on aim, yahoo, whatever...exchanging  
design ideas via a "whiteboard" of sorts.  However, the results from  
a typical whiteboard app is freehand/bitmap and not very usable in  
any CAD program when the "skill-pooping" session is done.  Besides,  
"freehanding" something drives most engineers nuts...we'd rather  
define endpoints of lines, etc., to achieve usable accuracy.  So,  
chatCAD will use a stripped down dxf-like document to exchange  
graphic ideas during the session and then be fully importable to a  
CAD program afterwards.  I will also (this is the "hopefully" part),  
make it 3D wireframe with help from Derbrill's "AnimationEngine".

The bad news...this is a spare-time project, so it's not likely to be  
complete anytime soon.

I can offer this...I've written many "DXF" utilities that we use in  
house to communicate between CAD and our home grown CNC micro- 
driller.  As a result, I've had to read, manipulate and write DXF  
files many times.  DXF file interpretation can get very ugly.  It's  
not as universal as you would think.


Best Regards,

Timothy R. Ponn





From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Thu May 24 08:37:54 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:37:54 +0200
Subject: altBrowser question
Message-ID: <46558719.78E3DDA5@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

This might sound like a dumb question, but where can I
download / buy a copy of altBrowser to be used with an
old Rev 2.5 for Windows ?

Thanks,
JB



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu May 24 09:24:34 2007
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 14:24:34 +0100
Subject: Accessing USB webcams in Rev  on Mac
Message-ID: <46559212.9000204@cogapp.com>

Using the revVideoGrab... functions  Rev 2.8.1 on Mac OS X, I can access an 
external firewire iSight camera; the 'Sources' tab on the dialog invoked by 
revVideoGrabSettings  also gives me a choice, greyed out, of a DV source.  On 
a machine with a built-in iSight camera, and an external one plugged in, I get 
to choose between the two cameras, and the disabled option of the DV source is 
still noted.

I plugged a USB webcam into my PowerBook, and installed macam with the 
quicktime component as a driver.  Now various apps that I've tried offer this 
as a source option.

But in the otherwise identical dialog presented in Rev, that option just 
doesn't appear in the 'Sources' tab.

The reason I wanted to use the inferior USB webcam was because I need to 
present, in my Rev stack, a video feed from 'the other direction' (the camera 
is point down at a table).  I don't have a long enough cable for my external 
iSight to put it on the other side of the table; but I do have a 16ft USB 
extension cable that would allow me to place a USB webcam appropriately.  But 
I couldn't make the USB cam work in Rev, though it worked in everything else. 
  Having failed to use the USB webcam, I then found a solution: to turn the 
feed from the iSight upside down.  This turned out to be achievable by making 
a quartz composer patch, exporting it as a QT movie, and then importing that 
movie into Rev.  That worked great.

But thinking about this, I thought I must have stumbled on a way to use the 
USB webcam anyway - use the same trick, so Rev just thinks it's playing a 
movie.   I tried it with my existing movie - no dice.  I then verified that 
Quartz Composer, like every other app apart from Rev, could see the USB 
webcam; made a new patch using it, and with a framerate display as well; 
exported to movie, imported to Rev.   When this new movie was started, the 
framerate display became active; but there was no image.  With iSight and USB 
webcam plugged in, it worked, but showed the image from the iSight.

So it would seem that whatever the problem is, it's perhaps rather indirect - 
Rev somehow disabling the USB webcam at a lower level rather than just not 
being prepared to use it.

(Extra input; I say every other app can see the USB cam; actually, with the QC 
movies, viewing them in QuickTime player shows USB or iSight feed; but doing 
'preview' in the Finder works like Rev: with the iSight plugged in, the feed 
appears; without it there's just the framerate display.)

Quelle bizarre.

Has anyone else had success (or failure) using Rev to access USB webcams on Mac?

TIA

- Ben



From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Thu May 24 10:08:17 2007
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 16:08:17 +0200
Subject: Severe crash with Rev 2.8.1 under MacOSX 10.4.9 (was: How to find
	amazing stuff)
In-Reply-To: <20070523170013.5EE1C488F1A@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070523170013.5EE1C488F1A@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DC8B95FD-3CCC-4B87-A9DB-F96D0803FA64@net2000.ch>

May be the crash Joe reported is NOT due to the RR Search engine!!!  
Read more...

This afternoon I have experienced two unexpectedly exits from  
Revolution and I restarted my machine. And then I had a very severe  
crash during a normal development session. I had no problem under Rev  
2.7.4 for the same business. Before the crash the only "unusual"  
thing I made is printing a few cards and the print actually occured.  
But then when I exited Revolution the session has unexpectedly closed  
and I spent much time to be able to restart MacOSX (10.4.9 PPC). The  
Preview application was the only one opened apart from Revolution  
(and Finder of course) and I have not worked with any other  
applications during this user session.

If some other one experienced such a behavior, think about filling a  
bug before some catastrophic event happens... with 2.8.1.

Joel


> I just tried the Search Engine you mentioned. There appears to be a  
> very serious flaw to the Search engine - causing Revolution to  
> unexpectedly quit and probably doing other damage as well, since my  
> only recourse was to reboot. Even the dock was unresponsive. If I  
> tried to reopen Rev, it appeared to reopen with the startup Rev  
> Splash screen, but then was nowhere to be found. I realize I'm not  
> being very specific, but this all was caused (twice) by clicking in  
> the small black (color selection) box that appears in the upper  
> right portion of the Search results window, the one that says it  
> lets you select a color for keywords. As soon as the color  
> selection dialog appeared and I attempted to change the color, Rev  
> quit and the other things I mention occurred requiring that I reboot.
>
> Just thought you'd like to know, since you say you wrote that part  
> of the docs.
>
> I'm running Rev 2.8.1 on OS 10.4.9 with an Intel Mac Dual Core. The  
> first time it happened I had Isolator 1.0 turned on. The second  
> time, I did not. Neither time did I have any other applications  
> open; running  Safari as the web browser.
>
> Joe Wilkins



From chris at altuit.com  Thu May 24 10:58:27 2007
From: chris at altuit.com (chris bohnert)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:58:27 -0600
Subject: Externals and Memory Leaks???
In-Reply-To: <269CA2B4-B371-4D9C-9FC6-48CC8728BA28@looktowindward.com>
References: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
	<F4B58066-FF3F-450B-8776-8947533DA180@cox.net>
	<p06240801c27ac28b9c32@192.168.1.103>
	<ECF6D4A6-8AC9-4096-83D6-6E4B48AE9F6B@cox.net>
	<269CA2B4-B371-4D9C-9FC6-48CC8728BA28@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <2e0cf4750705240758w65ffb5acw9c7aa60211c7fe5d@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,

Yep..when you use SetVariableEx you're responsible for managing the memory.
Normally I handle this by building a SafeAlloc function in C or by creating
my own  new/delete in c++.

This will let you store your allocs in a list and handle their release as
necessary.  In my experience, releasing only what I know I have allocated is
much safer than trying to free random memory blocks coming back from rev.

hope that helps.

--
cb

On 5/24/07, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a Stack that uses two functions from an external:
>
> XGetData("myTempData")
> XProcessData(myTempData,"myNewData")
>
> XGetData() Gets the data into the correct format and stores it in the
> RunRev variable "myTempData".
>
> XProcessData() takes the data in "myTempData", processes it and puts
> the results into "myNewData".
>
> This all works well and produces good results, the only problem is
> that memory seems to be leaking by quite a lot and the two data
> buffers here are quite large.
>
> In the external, I use malloc() to allocate the buffers and then use
> "SetVariableEx()" to pass it back to RunRev. My question is, who is
> responsible for freeing the data?
>
> I am guessing that the on each subsequent call to the External
> Functions causes a new block to be allocated and overwrites the
> contents of the old RunRev "ExternalString" structure without first
> freeing it. How should I handle this? Do I need to check if the
> variable passed into my external already has data allocated and if so
> either free or re-use the data (the block sizes are likely to be the
> same).
>
> Any advice or help on this greatly appreciated.
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> PS
>
> I set the External Variable using the following function:
>
>
> OSStatus LTWLibraryUtilsSetExternalVariablePtr( char*
> theVariableNamePtr,
>                                                                                                 const
> char*                     theVariablePtr,
>
>                                                                                                 long                            theVariableSize)
> {
> ExternalString                          myExternalVariableInfo;
> int                                                     myRunRevStatus;
>
> //**
> //**    Get the External Variable
> //**
> myExternalVariableInfo.buffer = theVariablePtr;
> myExternalVariableInfo.length = theVariableSize;
> SetVariableEx
> (theVariableNamePtr,"",&myExternalVariableInfo,&myRunRevStatus);
> if (myRunRevStatus == EXTERNAL_FAILURE)
>         return(kRunRevVariableNotDefined);
>
> //**
> //**    Good Return
> //**
> return(noErr);
> }
>
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From shari at gypsyware.com  Thu May 24 11:27:51 2007
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:27:51 -0400
Subject: beepLoudness
Message-ID: <a06020400c27b5ccc32cf@[192.168.2.38]>

Eons ago (pre- the Rev/Metacard merger) there was a bug, where 
somehow the beepLoudness got balled up.  I think this was OSX only. 
The fix was to reset the beepLoudness and then make it beep.  I don't 
remember how long ago this bug began, or if and when it ended.  But 
the fix was simple:

on fixSoundLevel
   global gSoundLevel # the beepLoudness when the app was launched
   set the beepLoudness to 10
   beep
   set the beepLoudness to gSoundLevel
end fixSoundLevel

This code has lived in my app for many years.  But I suspect it is 
now causing difficulties.  Because almost every time I run the app, 
my system beep level gets reset to the lowest possible setting where 
I can't hear it.

So it is time to re-evaluate this piece of code.  I searched both the 
Metacard and Revolution archives, and there is no mention of the 
probably long-squashed bug.  Not even a tidbit.

Does anybody remember this issue?  I am assuming I no longer need 
this workaround as I found no mention anywhere.

Interestingly, if I get the beepLoudness from the msg box, it shows 
as 16777472.  According to the docs, it should be 0-100 or not work 
at all.

Shari


-- 
Gypsy King games for
MAC and WlND0WS
http://www.gypsyware.com

From david at openpartnership.net  Thu May 24 12:08:16 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:08:16 +0100
Subject: Can't quit Rev - things to look for?
In-Reply-To: <1D3E4E31-208E-445E-89ED-0ACAF2391AC6@derbrill.de>
References: <20070226173541.69FB84891D9@mail.runrev.com>
	<1D3E4E31-208E-445E-89ED-0ACAF2391AC6@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705240908m2aac5221v7bb5b5469e66450e@mail.gmail.com>

Yes - lockmessages allows me to quit - but I cant debug very easlily. No
timers are running and while there is a pending message its from Galaxy -
which I doubt is the problem - I think its an external - just wandering how
to debug it?

On 24/05/07, Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> any timers running? Did you try lock messages before quitting?
> Check if the pendingmessages are empty.
>
> All the best,
>
> Malte
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu May 24 12:40:01 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 17:40:01 +0100
Subject: Externals and Memory Leaks???
In-Reply-To: <2e0cf4750705240758w65ffb5acw9c7aa60211c7fe5d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
	<F4B58066-FF3F-450B-8776-8947533DA180@cox.net>
	<p06240801c27ac28b9c32@192.168.1.103>
	<ECF6D4A6-8AC9-4096-83D6-6E4B48AE9F6B@cox.net>
	<269CA2B4-B371-4D9C-9FC6-48CC8728BA28@looktowindward.com>
	<2e0cf4750705240758w65ffb5acw9c7aa60211c7fe5d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56014B5F-374C-4B88-A5FA-F88DA1C31176@looktowindward.com>

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the information, but I'm a bit confused! In the RunRev  
script I have the following code:

local myBuffer
local myNewData

repeat until <some_condition>
  get XGetData("myTempData")
XProcessData(myTempData,"myNewData")
end repeat

In my externals I allocate a new buffer each time it's called, should  
I check if the variable already has something allocated to it and  
free it if so? I am guessing this is what you mean when you say store  
the Allocations in a list? So before allocating a new buffer check if  
the variable has a buffer assigned and then free it if (and only if)  
it's in the list?

Thanks again
All the Best
Dave

On 24 May 2007, at 15:58, chris bohnert wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Yep..when you use SetVariableEx you're responsible for managing the  
> memory.
> Normally I handle this by building a SafeAlloc function in C or by  
> creating
> my own  new/delete in c++.
>
> This will let you store your allocs in a list and handle their  
> release as
> necessary.  In my experience, releasing only what I know I have  
> allocated is
> much safer than trying to free random memory blocks coming back  
> from rev.
>
> hope that helps.
>
> --
> cb
>
> On 5/24/07, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have a Stack that uses two functions from an external:
>>
>> XGetData("myTempData")
>> XProcessData(myTempData,"myNewData")
>>
>> XGetData() Gets the data into the correct format and stores it in the
>> RunRev variable "myTempData".
>>
>> XProcessData() takes the data in "myTempData", processes it and puts
>> the results into "myNewData".
>>
>> This all works well and produces good results, the only problem is
>> that memory seems to be leaking by quite a lot and the two data
>> buffers here are quite large.
>>
>> In the external, I use malloc() to allocate the buffers and then use
>> "SetVariableEx()" to pass it back to RunRev. My question is, who is
>> responsible for freeing the data?
>>
>> I am guessing that the on each subsequent call to the External
>> Functions causes a new block to be allocated and overwrites the
>> contents of the old RunRev "ExternalString" structure without first
>> freeing it. How should I handle this? Do I need to check if the
>> variable passed into my external already has data allocated and if so
>> either free or re-use the data (the block sizes are likely to be the
>> same).
>>
>> Any advice or help on this greatly appreciated.
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> PS
>>
>> I set the External Variable using the following function:
>>
>>
>> OSStatus LTWLibraryUtilsSetExternalVariablePtr( char*
>> theVariableNamePtr,
>>                                                                       
>>                            const
>> char*                     theVariablePtr,
>>
>>                                                                       
>>                            long                             
>> theVariableSize)
>> {
>> ExternalString                          myExternalVariableInfo;
>> int                                                      
>> myRunRevStatus;
>>
>> //**
>> //**    Get the External Variable
>> //**
>> myExternalVariableInfo.buffer = theVariablePtr;
>> myExternalVariableInfo.length = theVariableSize;
>> SetVariableEx
>> (theVariableNamePtr,"",&myExternalVariableInfo,&myRunRevStatus);
>> if (myRunRevStatus == EXTERNAL_FAILURE)
>>         return(kRunRevVariableNotDefined);
>>
>> //**
>> //**    Good Return
>> //**
>> return(noErr);
>> }
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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From chris at altuit.com  Thu May 24 13:18:44 2007
From: chris at altuit.com (chris bohnert)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:18:44 -0500
Subject: Externals and Memory Leaks???
In-Reply-To: <56014B5F-374C-4B88-A5FA-F88DA1C31176@looktowindward.com>
References: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
	<F4B58066-FF3F-450B-8776-8947533DA180@cox.net>
	<p06240801c27ac28b9c32@192.168.1.103>
	<ECF6D4A6-8AC9-4096-83D6-6E4B48AE9F6B@cox.net>
	<269CA2B4-B371-4D9C-9FC6-48CC8728BA28@looktowindward.com>
	<2e0cf4750705240758w65ffb5acw9c7aa60211c7fe5d@mail.gmail.com>
	<56014B5F-374C-4B88-A5FA-F88DA1C31176@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <2e0cf4750705241018g689dba09gdf8f4b56ab4fe37d@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,

To my knowledge, Rev. makes a copy of the buffer when you do the SetVariable
call.  So in instances where you're making successive calls like this you
should never expect rev to send back a ptr that you've already
allocated..its probably safe enough to do something like this in your
external code

myExternalVariableInfo.buffer = theVariablePtr;
myExternalVariableInfo.length = theVariableSize;
SetVariableEx
(theVariableNamePtr,"",&myExternalVariableInfo,&myRunRevStatus);
if (myRunRevStatus == EXTERNAL_FAILURE)
       return(kRunRevVariableNotDefined);

 // added explicit free here as rev should have copied the buff in the
SetVariable Call
if( theVariable!=NULL)
  free theVariable;


In instances where you have allocated memory that needs to be persisted over
a long period of time in the external ( image buffer, multiple instances of
browser object and the like) you'll want to track them similar to previous
description.

--
cb

On 5/24/07, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> Thanks for the information, but I'm a bit confused! In the RunRev
> script I have the following code:
>
> local myBuffer
> local myNewData
>
> repeat until <some_condition>
>   get XGetData("myTempData")
> XProcessData(myTempData,"myNewData")
> end repeat
>
> In my externals I allocate a new buffer each time it's called, should
> I check if the variable already has something allocated to it and
> free it if so? I am guessing this is what you mean when you say store
> the Allocations in a list? So before allocating a new buffer check if
> the variable has a buffer assigned and then free it if (and only if)
> it's in the list?
>
> Thanks again
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 24 May 2007, at 15:58, chris bohnert wrote:
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > Yep..when you use SetVariableEx you're responsible for managing the
> > memory.
> > Normally I handle this by building a SafeAlloc function in C or by
> > creating
> > my own  new/delete in c++.
> >
> > This will let you store your allocs in a list and handle their
> > release as
> > necessary.  In my experience, releasing only what I know I have
> > allocated is
> > much safer than trying to free random memory blocks coming back
> > from rev.
> >
> > hope that helps.
> >
> > --
> > cb
> >
> > On 5/24/07, Dave < dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> I have a Stack that uses two functions from an external:
> >>
> >> XGetData("myTempData")
> >> XProcessData(myTempData,"myNewData")
> >>
> >> XGetData() Gets the data into the correct format and stores it in the
> >> RunRev variable "myTempData".
> >>
> >> XProcessData() takes the data in "myTempData", processes it and puts
> >> the results into "myNewData".
> >>
> >> This all works well and produces good results, the only problem is
> >> that memory seems to be leaking by quite a lot and the two data
> >> buffers here are quite large.
> >>
> >> In the external, I use malloc() to allocate the buffers and then use
> >> "SetVariableEx()" to pass it back to RunRev. My question is, who is
> >> responsible for freeing the data?
> >>
> >> I am guessing that the on each subsequent call to the External
> >> Functions causes a new block to be allocated and overwrites the
> >> contents of the old RunRev "ExternalString" structure without first
> >> freeing it. How should I handle this? Do I need to check if the
> >> variable passed into my external already has data allocated and if so
> >> either free or re-use the data (the block sizes are likely to be the
> >> same).
> >>
> >> Any advice or help on this greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >> All the Best
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> PS
> >>
> >> I set the External Variable using the following function:
> >>
> >>
> >> OSStatus LTWLibraryUtilsSetExternalVariablePtr( char*
> >> theVariableNamePtr,
> >>
> >>                            const
> >> char*                     theVariablePtr,
> >>
> >>
> >>                            long
> >> theVariableSize)
> >> {
> >> ExternalString                          myExternalVariableInfo;
> >> int
> >> myRunRevStatus;
> >>
> >> //**
> >> //**    Get the External Variable
> >> //**
> >> myExternalVariableInfo.buffer = theVariablePtr;
> >> myExternalVariableInfo.length = theVariableSize;
> >> SetVariableEx
> >> (theVariableNamePtr,"",&myExternalVariableInfo,&myRunRevStatus);
> >> if (myRunRevStatus == EXTERNAL_FAILURE)
> >>         return(kRunRevVariableNotDefined);
> >>
> >> //**
> >> //**    Good Return
> >> //**
> >> return(noErr);
> >> }
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> use-revolution mailing list
> >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> subscription preferences:
> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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>


From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu May 24 13:58:34 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 18:58:34 +0100
Subject: Externals and Memory Leaks???
In-Reply-To: <2e0cf4750705241018g689dba09gdf8f4b56ab4fe37d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C27A0ECD.76B6%philip@accentonrugs.com>
	<F4B58066-FF3F-450B-8776-8947533DA180@cox.net>
	<p06240801c27ac28b9c32@192.168.1.103>
	<ECF6D4A6-8AC9-4096-83D6-6E4B48AE9F6B@cox.net>
	<269CA2B4-B371-4D9C-9FC6-48CC8728BA28@looktowindward.com>
	<2e0cf4750705240758w65ffb5acw9c7aa60211c7fe5d@mail.gmail.com>
	<56014B5F-374C-4B88-A5FA-F88DA1C31176@looktowindward.com>
	<2e0cf4750705241018g689dba09gdf8f4b56ab4fe37d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E110AA48-44EA-4B51-85AD-EFE577064F10@looktowindward.com>

Hi Again,

Thanks a lot!  Here is my whole function again with the added "free"  
is this what you mean?

All the Best
Dave


OSStatus LTWLibraryUtilsSetExternalVariablePtr(	char*				 
theVariableNamePtr,
												const char*			theVariablePtr,
												long				theVariableSize)
{
ExternalString				myExternalVariableInfo;
int							myRunRevStatus;

//**
//**	Get the External Variable
//**
GetVariableEx 
(theVariableNamePtr,"",&myExternalVariableInfo,&myRunRevStatus);
if (myRunRevStatus == EXTERNAL_FAILURE)
	return(kRunRevVariableNotDefined);

//**
//**	Get the External Variable
//**
myExternalVariableInfo.buffer = theVariablePtr;
myExternalVariableInfo.length = theVariableSize;
SetVariableEx 
(theVariableNamePtr,"",&myExternalVariableInfo,&myRunRevStatus);
if (myRunRevStatus == EXTERNAL_FAILURE)
	return(kRunRevVariableNotDefined);
if (theVariablePtr != null) 	
	free(theVariablePtr);
	
//**
//**	Good Return
//**
return(noErr);
}


On 24 May 2007, at 18:18, chris bohnert wrote:

> Dave,
>
> To my knowledge, Rev. makes a copy of the buffer when you do the  
> SetVariable
> call.  So in instances where you're making successive calls like  
> this you
> should never expect rev to send back a ptr that you've already
> allocated..its probably safe enough to do something like this in your
> external code
>
> myExternalVariableInfo.buffer = theVariablePtr;
> myExternalVariableInfo.length = theVariableSize;
> SetVariableEx
> (theVariableNamePtr,"",&myExternalVariableInfo,&myRunRevStatus);
> if (myRunRevStatus == EXTERNAL_FAILURE)
>       return(kRunRevVariableNotDefined);
>
> // added explicit free here as rev should have copied the buff in the
> SetVariable Call
> if( theVariable!=NULL)
>  free theVariable;
>
>
> In instances where you have allocated memory that needs to be  
> persisted over
> a long period of time in the external ( image buffer, multiple  
> instances of
> browser object and the like) you'll want to track them similar to  
> previous
> description.
>
> --
> cb
>
> On 5/24/07, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Thanks for the information, but I'm a bit confused! In the RunRev
>> script I have the following code:
>>
>> local myBuffer
>> local myNewData
>>
>> repeat until <some_condition>
>>   get XGetData("myTempData")
>> XProcessData(myTempData,"myNewData")
>> end repeat
>>
>> In my externals I allocate a new buffer each time it's called, should
>> I check if the variable already has something allocated to it and
>> free it if so? I am guessing this is what you mean when you say store
>> the Allocations in a list? So before allocating a new buffer check if
>> the variable has a buffer assigned and then free it if (and only if)
>> it's in the list?
>>
>> Thanks again
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> On 24 May 2007, at 15:58, chris bohnert wrote:
>>
>> > Dave,
>> >
>> > Yep..when you use SetVariableEx you're responsible for managing the
>> > memory.
>> > Normally I handle this by building a SafeAlloc function in C or by
>> > creating
>> > my own  new/delete in c++.
>> >
>> > This will let you store your allocs in a list and handle their
>> > release as
>> > necessary.  In my experience, releasing only what I know I have
>> > allocated is
>> > much safer than trying to free random memory blocks coming back
>> > from rev.
>> >
>> > hope that helps.
>> >
>> > --
>> > cb
>> >
>> > On 5/24/07, Dave < dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi All,
>> >>
>> >> I have a Stack that uses two functions from an external:
>> >>
>> >> XGetData("myTempData")
>> >> XProcessData(myTempData,"myNewData")
>> >>
>> >> XGetData() Gets the data into the correct format and stores it  
>> in the
>> >> RunRev variable "myTempData".
>> >>
>> >> XProcessData() takes the data in "myTempData", processes it and  
>> puts
>> >> the results into "myNewData".
>> >>
>> >> This all works well and produces good results, the only problem is
>> >> that memory seems to be leaking by quite a lot and the two data
>> >> buffers here are quite large.
>> >>
>> >> In the external, I use malloc() to allocate the buffers and  
>> then use
>> >> "SetVariableEx()" to pass it back to RunRev. My question is,  
>> who is
>> >> responsible for freeing the data?
>> >>
>> >> I am guessing that the on each subsequent call to the External
>> >> Functions causes a new block to be allocated and overwrites the
>> >> contents of the old RunRev "ExternalString" structure without  
>> first
>> >> freeing it. How should I handle this? Do I need to check if the
>> >> variable passed into my external already has data allocated and  
>> if so
>> >> either free or re-use the data (the block sizes are likely to  
>> be the
>> >> same).
>> >>
>> >> Any advice or help on this greatly appreciated.
>> >>
>> >> All the Best
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >> PS
>> >>
>> >> I set the External Variable using the following function:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> OSStatus LTWLibraryUtilsSetExternalVariablePtr( char*
>> >> theVariableNamePtr,
>> >>
>> >>                            const
>> >> char*                     theVariablePtr,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>                            long
>> >> theVariableSize)
>> >> {
>> >> ExternalString                          myExternalVariableInfo;
>> >> int
>> >> myRunRevStatus;
>> >>
>> >> //**
>> >> //**    Get the External Variable
>> >> //**
>> >> myExternalVariableInfo.buffer = theVariablePtr;
>> >> myExternalVariableInfo.length = theVariableSize;
>> >> SetVariableEx
>> >> (theVariableNamePtr,"",&myExternalVariableInfo,&myRunRevStatus);
>> >> if (myRunRevStatus == EXTERNAL_FAILURE)
>> >>         return(kRunRevVariableNotDefined);
>> >>
>> >> //**
>> >> //**    Good Return
>> >> //**
>> >> return(noErr);



From david at openpartnership.net  Thu May 24 15:03:11 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:03:11 +0100
Subject: Filling in PDF forms
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705241203p5c5694aar9f11c34ae1801d@mail.gmail.com>

I've had a quick search regarding the ability to auto fill in PDF forms -
that is not creating PDF's from databases - but lets say you have an
existing PDF that you need to fill out many many times from your data -
software that does this for you. It seems possible in that you can import
the PDF into Adobe Acrobat and then name the fields in such a way that you
can connect them to a database - which makes me think that you should be
able to do this with Rev - has anyone done this? I guess it would require an
external?


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Thu May 24 15:47:10 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:47:10 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <4655EBBE.7010805@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

On Wed, 23 May 2007,Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Right now Rev uses the OS APIs to get the file info, so it's about as
> efficient as it can be.
>
> I can see the benefit of using EXIF, but since this requires additional
> work and processing time, and only applies to a subset of a very small
> number of file tyes, this sounds like an excellent candidate for an
> external.
>
> Anyone here interested in writing it?
>
> -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation



I do not know if he is interested and would have the time, but I think 
Alex Tweedly, author of the wonderful "libEXIF" stack, would be the 
ideal candidate.

I have tried to "tweak" his stack a little to retrieve the "original 
dates" from all image files of a folder. Execution time per image file 
is from 13 to 40 milliseconds depending on what amount of date I get 
from the "original date" line of Alex's variable "alltags" (i.e. only 
the "original date" or with filename and/or seconds etc.).

I left the stack script intact and edited only the "test" button to get 
only the original-date lines. This means that the stack - as before - 
first retrieves *all* EXIF data in the stack script before only the date 
line is accessed from the changed button script.

Would Alex rewrite his stack script to concentrate on the "original 
date", I believe the execution speed per image file would be only about 
5 milliseconds or even less. An external based on his algorithms would 
surely be astonishingly fast.

Best regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu May 24 18:41:42 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:41:42 +0100
Subject: Getting Started in XML
In-Reply-To: <A8575ED3-60C2-4F19-AFD6-5430DB5B3875@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <4654B812.6000306@fourthworld.com>
	<421FD82F-00C0-4FC7-9396-33ECD17CA248@looktowindward.com>
	<A8575ED3-60C2-4F19-AFD6-5430DB5B3875@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <68F49240-1732-4138-8AE4-96E155BD2274@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Great! Downloaded and busy coding now! One thing, I'm guessing that  
the use of fields in the example is just that - for example. I will  
need to store the XML data in local variables - will this be a problem?

Thanks a Lot - and Special Thanks to Sarah - really good example.
All the Best
Dave


On 24 May 2007, at 10:36, Ian Wood wrote:

> Sarah's tutorial is a good start: <http://www.troz.net/Rev/ 
> tutorials.php>.
>
> Ian
>
> On 24 May 2007, at 10:28, Dave wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I need to generate a fairly simple XML file. I started looking at  
>> the revXMLxxx functions but can't seem to get started. Is there  
>> any Simple Sample Code that generates an XML file I could look at?
>>
>> Thanks a Lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> subscription preferences:
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu May 24 18:44:18 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 23:44:18 +0100
Subject: Mysteroius rev ghost buttons
In-Reply-To: <002601c79dd0$b132bfc0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <002601c79dd0$b132bfc0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <FB420EC6-8E45-430A-9C59-223CD5DF5738@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I've seen the IDE go beswick and store objects from the IDE in User  
Stacks.

Open the stack in the IDE and check the Application Browser to see if  
there are any objects present that you can't see.

You may have to check library stacks too.

Hope this Helps
All the Best
Dave


On 24 May 2007, at 07:56, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I have a very strange phenomenon. After some time (10-30 clicks),  
> using my
> standalone on Mac (created on Win) 3 rev buttons appear somewhere  
> in the
> upper third of my application. The labels of the 3 buttons are:
> "revGeometryBack" "revCommon" and "revLibURL" Using the standalone  
> on Win,
> they don't appear. I realy don't know what strange phenomenon this  
> is and
> what I can do to prevent it. Has anyone ever seen these three buttons?
>
> Any hint appreciated!
>
> Tiemo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 24 19:21:20 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:21:20 +1000
Subject: Getting Started in XML
In-Reply-To: <68F49240-1732-4138-8AE4-96E155BD2274@looktowindward.com>
References: <4654B812.6000306@fourthworld.com>
	<421FD82F-00C0-4FC7-9396-33ECD17CA248@looktowindward.com>
	<A8575ED3-60C2-4F19-AFD6-5430DB5B3875@azurevision.co.uk>
	<68F49240-1732-4138-8AE4-96E155BD2274@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705241621m326d7bc8rc21ff1113f2d7b5f@mail.gmail.com>

> Great! Downloaded and busy coding now! One thing, I'm guessing that
> the use of fields in the example is just that - for example. I will
> need to store the XML data in local variables - will this be a problem?

Once you have created an XML tree, the XML data is stored internally
in it's tree and accessed using the tree's ID number. In the example
stack, I display the text version of the XML data in a field for
demonstration purposes only, there is no need to do this at all. Just
store the ID number in a global, custom property, field or script
local and use it whenever you need to get or set the XML data.

Cheers,
Sarah


From bvlahos at mac.com  Thu May 24 22:42:16 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 19:42:16 -0700
Subject: Save stack with different extension
Message-ID: <DABE10B9-0112-1000-A7A1-B3B82D278D4A-Webmail-10018@mac.com>

I would like to use a stack as my document file that is used by my main stack. This "data stack" doesn't have any UI nor do I want the user to open it directly.

I would like it to have a unique .extension to identify it as my program not Revolution's.

However, whenever I save in (in the IDE so far) it puts a .rev extension on it anyway. Eventually my executable will be saving data to it and even renaming it.

How do I keep my extension instead of .rev?

Bill Vlahos


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu May 24 22:48:10 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:48:10 -0500
Subject: Save stack with different extension
In-Reply-To: <DABE10B9-0112-1000-A7A1-B3B82D278D4A-Webmail-10018@mac.com>
References: <DABE10B9-0112-1000-A7A1-B3B82D278D4A-Webmail-10018@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705241948t442de09eua366259ee9bd9fc8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bill,

Make sure your prefs are set to not add the .rev to your extension.
When you first SAVE the stack, it will add the extension regardless.
So after saving, close Rev. Then change the name of your stack to
whatever you want, then launch Rev and open the stack. Now all saves
should use the exact same name as the stack which you opened.

best,
Chipp


From bvlahos at mac.com  Thu May 24 23:43:38 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:43:38 -0700
Subject: Save stack with different extension
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705241948t442de09eua366259ee9bd9fc8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DABE10B9-0112-1000-A7A1-B3B82D278D4A-Webmail-10018@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210705241948t442de09eua366259ee9bd9fc8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <141FDDB9-0112-1000-A170-BCAD59F3064D-Webmail-10011@mac.com>

That got it but it took me a few times to get it right.

Thanks Chipp.
Bill
 
On Thursday, May 24, 2007, at 07:48PM, "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>Hi Bill,
>
>Make sure your prefs are set to not add the .rev to your extension.
>When you first SAVE the stack, it will add the extension regardless.
>So after saving, close Rev. Then change the name of your stack to
>whatever you want, then launch Rev and open the stack. Now all saves
>should use the exact same name as the stack which you opened.
>
>best,
>Chipp
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From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Fri May 25 00:00:57 2007
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 22:00:57 -0600
Subject: Color of Drawer
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0705242100r11598578k2839cd7d3a86d75f@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,
  Is it possible to set the color of the border around a drawered stack?
Right now it is the default white with pinstripes that is common on OS X.  I
have tried changing the backgroundcolor of the drawer stack and the parent
stack, but it did not change anything.  I am hoping to make it black.  Is
this possible, or would it be breaking the "Apple Human Interface
Guidelines?"  Also, this is my first time trying out drawers, are there any
gotchas that I should worry about?  Looking back at the user list, there was
some issues with dragging windows on different versions of OS X.  Is this
still an issue?

  Thank You,
    Bridger Maxwell
    www.FieryFerret.com


From supote.songthammawat at gmail.com  Fri May 25 01:18:22 2007
From: supote.songthammawat at gmail.com (supote songthammawat)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:18:22 +0700
Subject: Urgently!!!! Can I make Runrev (any version) able to use Pop-port
	USB or Bluetooth for exchange data?
Message-ID: <680dfa960705242218v6a06f373sf82127dcf6443c5f@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Everybody,

           I 'd like to know Can I make Runrev (any version) able to use
Pop-port USB or Bluetooth for exchange data? If possible how to do. Pls
guide or suggest me.

           Thks.

Best Regard,
Supote


From supote.songthammawat at gmail.com  Fri May 25 01:24:19 2007
From: supote.songthammawat at gmail.com (Supote Gmail)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:24:19 +0700
Subject: Urgently!!!! Can I make Runrev (any version) able to use Pop-port
 USB or Bluetooth for exchange data between devices? 
Message-ID: <46567303.7020202@gmail.com>

Dear Everybody,

           I 'd like to know Can I make Runrev (any version) able to use 
Pop-port USB or Bluetooth for exchange data between devices? If possible 
how to do. Pls guide or suggest me.

           Thks.

Best Regard,


From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri May 25 02:38:11 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 08:38:11 +0200
Subject: AW: Mysteroius rev ghost buttons
In-Reply-To: <FB420EC6-8E45-430A-9C59-223CD5DF5738@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <001901c79e97$44873370$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks Dave
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Dave
> Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 00:44
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Mysteroius rev ghost buttons
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've seen the IDE go beswick and store objects from the IDE in User
> Stacks.
> 
> Open the stack in the IDE and check the Application Browser to see if
> there are any objects present that you can't see.
> 
> You may have to check library stacks too.
> 
> Hope this Helps
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
> 
> On 24 May 2007, at 07:56, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a very strange phenomenon. After some time (10-30 clicks),
> > using my
> > standalone on Mac (created on Win) 3 rev buttons appear somewhere
> > in the
> > upper third of my application. The labels of the 3 buttons are:
> > "revGeometryBack" "revCommon" and "revLibURL" Using the standalone
> > on Win,
> > they don't appear. I realy don't know what strange phenomenon this
> > is and
> > what I can do to prevent it. Has anyone ever seen these three buttons?
> >
> > Any hint appreciated!
> >
> > Tiemo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri May 25 03:57:48 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:57:48 +0200
Subject: Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ?
Message-ID: <002301c79ea2$63b3b240$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello,

I want to use with 2.8.1 the now integrated sqlite db and stumbled over two
different sets of db functions. The first one start with revdb_, like
revdb_connect and the other ones have names like revOpenDatabases. I have
found examples for both, but probably one is "old fashioned" and one is new
and for the future? Can someone explain the difference ( concerning the use
of sqlite) and which set of functions is the "state of the art" using rev
today?

Thanks for any explanation

Tiemo

 

 

 



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri May 25 06:03:12 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:03:12 +1000
Subject: Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ?
In-Reply-To: <002301c79ea2$63b3b240$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <002301c79ea2$63b3b240$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705250303l7b739e62hbcee137592c998da@mail.gmail.com>

> I want to use with 2.8.1 the now integrated sqlite db and stumbled over two
> different sets of db functions. The first one start with revdb_, like
> revdb_connect and the other ones have names like revOpenDatabases. I have
> found examples for both, but probably one is "old fashioned" and one is new
> and for the future? Can someone explain the difference ( concerning the use
> of sqlite) and which set of functions is the "state of the art" using rev
> today?

As you thought, the "revdb" set are older and the "rev" ones are the
more modern equivalents. You can use either but you need to be careful
because in some cases one will be a function and the equivalent will
be a command. This means that they are not always completely
interchangeable.

I prefer using the "rev" ones but that is just my preference - there
is nothing wrong with using the "revdb" options.

Cheers,
Sarah


From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri May 25 06:07:16 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:07:16 +0200
Subject: AW: Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705250303l7b739e62hbcee137592c998da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901c79eb4$79b2a080$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks for clarifying that for me Sarah!
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Sarah Reichelt
> Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 12:03
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ?
> 
> > I want to use with 2.8.1 the now integrated sqlite db and stumbled over
> two
> > different sets of db functions. The first one start with revdb_, like
> > revdb_connect and the other ones have names like revOpenDatabases. I
> have
> > found examples for both, but probably one is "old fashioned" and one is
> new
> > and for the future? Can someone explain the difference ( concerning the
> use
> > of sqlite) and which set of functions is the "state of the art" using
> rev
> > today?
> 
> As you thought, the "revdb" set are older and the "rev" ones are the
> more modern equivalents. You can use either but you need to be careful
> because in some cases one will be a function and the equivalent will
> be a command. This means that they are not always completely
> interchangeable.
> 
> I prefer using the "rev" ones but that is just my preference - there
> is nothing wrong with using the "revdb" options.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri May 25 06:13:05 2007
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 03:13:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ?
In-Reply-To: <002301c79ea2$63b3b240$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <217890.61286.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I want to use with 2.8.1 the now integrated sqlite
> db and stumbled over two
> different sets of db functions. The first one start
> with revdb_, like
> revdb_connect and the other ones have names like
> revOpenDatabases. I have
> found examples for both, but probably one is "old
> fashioned" and one is new
> and for the future? Can someone explain the
> difference ( concerning the use
> of sqlite) and which set of functions is the "state
> of the art" using rev
> today?
> 
> Thanks for any explanation
> 
> Tiemo
> 

Hi Tiemo,

Originally, there were only the 'revdb_' commands and
functions. In Revolution 2.0, a number of synonyms
were added to make them easier to recognize and
understand.
The good news is that they're interchangeable: for
instance, if you have a database connection opened
with 'revdb_connect', you can use this connection ID
with the 'revDataFromQuery' function. The same goes
for all functions and commands that have to do with
cursors.
The not-so-good news is that this can cause some
confusion, as users aren't quite sure if one set is
deprecated and will go away in the future. And there
are some subtle differences where the 'revdb_' syntax
is a function, but the 'revXYZ' syntax is a command.

Personally, I still use the 'revdb_' set as I find it
easier to recognize that I'm doing something with the
database library external.
Maybe someday we'll get a proper namespacing feature
in the language and then there will be less confusion
- or just different confusion, as the case may be ;-)

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri May 25 06:18:16 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:18:16 +0200
Subject: AW: Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ?
In-Reply-To: <217890.61286.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c79eb6$0348af00$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Thanks Jan for your explanations
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Jan Schenkel
> Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 12:13
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: Difference between revdb_connect and revOpenDatabases ?
> 
> --- Tiemo Hollmann TB <toolbook at kestner.de> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I want to use with 2.8.1 the now integrated sqlite
> > db and stumbled over two
> > different sets of db functions. The first one start
> > with revdb_, like
> > revdb_connect and the other ones have names like
> > revOpenDatabases. I have
> > found examples for both, but probably one is "old
> > fashioned" and one is new
> > and for the future? Can someone explain the
> > difference ( concerning the use
> > of sqlite) and which set of functions is the "state
> > of the art" using rev
> > today?
> >
> > Thanks for any explanation
> >
> > Tiemo
> >
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> Originally, there were only the 'revdb_' commands and
> functions. In Revolution 2.0, a number of synonyms
> were added to make them easier to recognize and
> understand.
> The good news is that they're interchangeable: for
> instance, if you have a database connection opened
> with 'revdb_connect', you can use this connection ID
> with the 'revDataFromQuery' function. The same goes
> for all functions and commands that have to do with
> cursors.
> The not-so-good news is that this can cause some
> confusion, as users aren't quite sure if one set is
> deprecated and will go away in the future. And there
> are some subtle differences where the 'revdb_' syntax
> is a function, but the 'revXYZ' syntax is a command.
> 
> Personally, I still use the 'revdb_' set as I find it
> easier to recognize that I'm doing something with the
> database library external.
> Maybe someday we'll get a proper namespacing feature
> in the language and then there will be less confusion
> - or just different confusion, as the case may be ;-)
> 
> Hope this helped,
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> 
> Quartam Reports for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
> 
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."
> (La Rochefoucauld)
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________________________________
> __________
> Get your own web address.
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From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Fri May 25 07:12:25 2007
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:12:25 EDT
Subject: Suspend script execution.
Message-ID: <c12.18195c0a.33881e99@aol.com>

Hi Everyone,

I?m trying to create my own ask and answer dialog boxes. In order to do that 
I must be able to suspend a script awaiting my custom dialog box input. Then I 
want to continue the same script. I tried using the wait command, but that won
?t allow any input while waiting. All suggestions are appreciated.

Joe


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From mark at maseurope.net  Fri May 25 07:21:15 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:21:15 +0100
Subject: Suspend script execution.
In-Reply-To: <c12.18195c0a.33881e99@aol.com>
References: <c12.18195c0a.33881e99@aol.com>
Message-ID: <782A43C8-2714-4D5B-89D1-2972B89EAB6C@maseurope.net>

Joe, the  'modal' command is what you want, I think.

on mouseUp
   modal stack "someDialog"
   doSomething with the dialogData
   put "someMessage"
end mouseUp

Assuming you have a substack "someDialog", executing the above in a  
btn script should open the dialog, wait for it to be closed, and then  
continue.

Best,

Mark

On 25 May 2007, at 12:12, LunchnMeets at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I?m trying to create my own ask and answer dialog boxes. In order  
> to do that
> I must be able to suspend a script awaiting my custom dialog box  
> input. Then I
> want to continue the same script. I tried using the wait command,  
> but that won
> ?t allow any input while waiting. All suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Joe
>
>
> **************************************
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> http://www.aol.com.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri May 25 07:22:03 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:22:03 +0200
Subject: Suspend script execution.
In-Reply-To: <c12.18195c0a.33881e99@aol.com>
References: <c12.18195c0a.33881e99@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BDFE4A1A-D36F-4534-A02A-C0575336C1D4@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Joe,

Just modal your stack and use the dialogData property. For instance:

set the dialogData to <data>
-- preparing the dialog
modal stack "MyAnsdwerDialog"
-- use the dialogData in MyAnsdwerDialog preopenStack to set the  
dialog as you wish: prompt, labels, etc.
-- execution will stop here until MyAnsdwerDialog is closed (a Rev  
feature)
-- change the contents of the the dialogdata from MyAnsdwerDialog  
stack when the user clicks on a button or another and closes the stack
-- then execution starts again:
if the dialogdata contains, is, etc. then <act accordingly>

See modal command and dialogdata property in the docs :-)

Le 25 mai 07 ? 13:12, LunchnMeets at aol.com a ?crit :

> I?m trying to create my own ask and answer dialog boxes. In order  
> to do that
> I must be able to suspend a script awaiting my custom dialog box  
> input. Then I
> want to continue the same script. I tried using the wait command,  
> but that won
> ?t allow any input while waiting. All suggestions are appreciated.
>
> Joe

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Fri May 25 09:21:27 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:21:27 +0200
Subject: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
Message-ID: <4656E2D7.9ABD91F7@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular
shapes
on a large background image ?
I've tried transparent graphics, and also a "mousemove" handler in the
card
script, but nothing seems to work really well...

thanks,
JB



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri May 25 09:45:08 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:45:08 +0200
Subject: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
In-Reply-To: <4656E2D7.9ABD91F7@club-internet.fr>
References: <4656E2D7.9ABD91F7@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <C4C06BB1-6FD7-4225-85BF-43496C62E42A@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi JB,

As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse  
messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the trick:
Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use and  
erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as a png.
Hotspots are now very precise :-)
Put both images onto a card, the modified one on top:
Now mousedowns, mouseUps, etc. will only bee sent when done in hot  
spots.
If you have many hot spots, you can ensure the process by adding  
rough invisible graphics including each hotspot and test in addition  
in which graphic the mouse is within.
Note that you can set the blendlevel of the modified image to 100, it  
will be invisible but all will go on to work :-)

Le 25 mai 07 ? 15:21, jbv a ?crit :

>
> What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular
> shapes
> on a large background image ?
> I've tried transparent graphics, and also a "mousemove" handler in the
> card
> script, but nothing seems to work really well...
>
> thanks,
> JB

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri May 25 10:05:04 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:05:04 +0200
Subject: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
In-Reply-To: <C4C06BB1-6FD7-4225-85BF-43496C62E42A@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <4656E2D7.9ABD91F7@club-internet.fr>
	<C4C06BB1-6FD7-4225-85BF-43496C62E42A@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <D67C99A9-94E8-4925-A572-5D8065694FAB@sosmartsoftware.com>

Additional tip:

In the modified image (see below), you can replace all hotspots with  
a solid color: the resulting png will be very light.
In such a case, the blend level of the image will be set to 100 but  
can be changed to another well chosen value to show hotspots if needed.

Le 25 mai 07 ? 15:45, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Hi JB,
>
> As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse  
> messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the trick:
> Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use  
> and erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as  
> a png.
> Hotspots are now very precise :-)
> Put both images onto a card, the modified one on top:
> Now mousedowns, mouseUps, etc. will only bee sent when done in hot  
> spots.
> If you have many hot spots, you can ensure the process by adding  
> rough invisible graphics including each hotspot and test in  
> addition in which graphic the mouse is within.
> Note that you can set the blendlevel of the modified image to 100,  
> it will be invisible but all will go on to work :-)
>
> Le 25 mai 07 ? 15:21, jbv a ?crit :
>
>>
>> What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular
>> shapes
>> on a large background image ?
>> I've tried transparent graphics, and also a "mousemove" handler in  
>> the
>> card
>> script, but nothing seems to work really well...
>>
>> thanks,
>> JB
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From rcozens at pon.net  Fri May 25 10:15:53 2007
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:15:53 -0700
Subject: Filling in PDF forms
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705241203p5c5694aar9f11c34ae1801d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705241203p5c5694aar9f11c34ae1801d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0000047487@titan.pon.net>

Hi David,

>I've had a quick search regarding the ability to auto fill in PDF forms -
>that is not creating PDF's from databases - but lets say you have an
>existing PDF that you need to fill out many many times from your data -
>software that does this for you.

FWIW, the US IRS distributes fill-in tax forms in PDF 
format.  Acrobat Reader allows the reader to fill in the boxes but 
not change any form text.  The completed form(s) can then be saved as 
a separate document.

Rob  



From toolbook at kestner.de  Fri May 25 10:40:38 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:40:38 +0200
Subject: AW: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
In-Reply-To: <C4C06BB1-6FD7-4225-85BF-43496C62E42A@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <000801c79eda$b273c860$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi Eric, because it's also interesting for me I add a question. Assuming you
have 50 hotspots on the bg image, where 50 different actions have to take
place (e.g. showing another image for each hotspot), how can you address the
different non transparent hotspots on the png? With 50 irregular shapes,
each with another name its no problem, but this way?

JB, what was the problem with the irregular shapes for you?

Thanks Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet
> Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 15:45
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
> 
> Hi JB,
> 
> As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse
> messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the trick:
> Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use and
> erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as a png.
> Hotspots are now very precise :-)
> Put both images onto a card, the modified one on top:
> Now mousedowns, mouseUps, etc. will only bee sent when done in hot
> spots.
> If you have many hot spots, you can ensure the process by adding
> rough invisible graphics including each hotspot and test in addition
> in which graphic the mouse is within.
> Note that you can set the blendlevel of the modified image to 100, it
> will be invisible but all will go on to work :-)
> 
> Le 25 mai 07 ? 15:21, jbv a ?crit :
> 
> >
> > What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular
> > shapes
> > on a large background image ?
> > I've tried transparent graphics, and also a "mousemove" handler in the
> > card
> > script, but nothing seems to work really well...
> >
> > thanks,
> > JB
> 
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Fri May 25 10:51:01 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:51:01 +0200
Subject: AW: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
References: <000801c79eda$b273c860$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <4656F7D3.621606F1@club-internet.fr>



Tiemo,

my problem with irregular shapes was to define the boundaries of each
shape... I guess that in most cases, Eric's method allows to "virtually"
enclose each shape in a rectangular bounding box, and thus define a
different action when cursor enters each shape...
the only limitation I can see is overlapping bounding boxes...

JB

> Hi Eric, because it's also interesting for me I add a question. Assuming you
> have 50 hotspots on the bg image, where 50 different actions have to take
> place (e.g. showing another image for each hotspot), how can you address the
> different non transparent hotspots on the png? With 50 irregular shapes,
> each with another name its no problem, but this way?
>
> JB, what was the problem with the irregular shapes for you?
>
> Thanks Tiemo
>
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet
> > Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 15:45
> > An: How to use Revolution
> > Betreff: Re: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
> >
> > Hi JB,
> >
> > As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse
> > messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the trick:
> > Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use and
> > erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as a png.
> > Hotspots are now very precise :-)
> > Put both images onto a card, the modified one on top:
> > Now mousedowns, mouseUps, etc. will only bee sent when done in hot
> > spots.
> > If you have many hot spots, you can ensure the process by adding
> > rough invisible graphics including each hotspot and test in addition
> > in which graphic the mouse is within.
> > Note that you can set the blendlevel of the modified image to 100, it
> > will be invisible but all will go on to work :-)
> >
> > Le 25 mai 07 ? 15:21, jbv a ?crit :
> >
> > >
> > > What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular
> > > shapes
> > > on a large background image ?
> > > I've tried transparent graphics, and also a "mousemove" handler in the
> > > card
> > > script, but nothing seems to work really well...
> > >
> > > thanks,
> > > JB
> >
> > Best regards from Paris,
> > Eric Chatonet.
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
> > eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
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From bvg at mac.com  Fri May 25 11:06:37 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:06:37 +0200
Subject: Can I make Runrev (any version) able to use Pop-port	USB or
	Bluetooth for exchange data?
In-Reply-To: <680dfa960705242218v6a06f373sf82127dcf6443c5f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <680dfa960705242218v6a06f373sf82127dcf6443c5f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a1ca69c27ab20e754221dca9a7d87c1c@mac.com>

No need to add urgent to your subject line, as you see, that just makes 
most people ignore it...

As for your question:
USB: external
Bluetooth: Maybe the serial interface that bluetooth has, otherwise 
external

Wikipedia says pop-port is just a proprietary plug by nokia for usb.

have fun


On 25 May 2007, at 07:18, supote songthammawat wrote:

> Dear Everybody,
>
>           I 'd like to know Can I make Runrev (any version) able to use
> Pop-port USB or Bluetooth for exchange data? If possible how to do. Pls
> guide or suggest me.
>
>           Thks.
>
> Best Regard,
> Supote
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri May 25 12:23:05 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 09:23:05 -0700
Subject: Windows DLLs and path
Message-ID: <5FE0C7B8-0112-1000-B4BC-82A1DC0CBDC4-Webmail-10017@mac.com>

I use SSL libraries in my application. For Windows Rev creates a couple of dlls that I need to include with my standalone. My application is portable in that all the files (executables and data) are in a folder. If the dlls are at the same level as the executables then it works fine but clutters the file system window with files a user doesn't need to deal with.

I'd like to make a folder at the same level as the executables and put the dlls there. However, when I do this they are no longer in the path and don't work.

Is there a way to tell the standalone they are in a subfolder?

Thanks,
Bill Vlahos


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri May 25 12:30:26 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 18:30:26 +0200
Subject: AW: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
In-Reply-To: <000801c79eda$b273c860$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000801c79eda$b273c860$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <B804C1FC-C51B-4D24-AF29-C1240FB0C83B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Tiemo,

You have many ways: it depends on the fact you have many hotspots  
close from each other or not.
For instance if your hotspots are able to be conformed in a virtual  
grid you can test the mouseLoc within this grid.
If it does not appear possible, adding invisible graphics should work.
You get the mouse events only on real hotspots using the png and a  
loop allows you to know how to act:
For instance:
In the script of the png image:

on mouseUp
   repeat with i = 1 to the number of graphics
     if the mouseloc is within the rect of graphic i then
       Action the short name of graphic i -- see below
       exit repeat
     end if
   end repeat
end mouseUp
----------------------------------
on Action pObjName
   switch pObjName
   case "bottle of wine"
etc.

;-)

Le 25 mai 07 ? 16:40, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :

> Hi Eric, because it's also interesting for me I add a question.  
> Assuming you
> have 50 hotspots on the bg image, where 50 different actions have  
> to take
> place (e.g. showing another image for each hotspot), how can you  
> address the
> different non transparent hotspots on the png? With 50 irregular  
> shapes,
> each with another name its no problem, but this way?
>
> JB, what was the problem with the irregular shapes for you?
>
> Thanks Tiemo
>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 25. Mai 2007 15:45
>> An: How to use Revolution
>> Betreff: Re: best way to define clickable areas with irregular  
>> shapes ?
>>
>> Hi JB,
>>
>> As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse
>> messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the  
>> trick:
>> Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use and
>> erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as a png.
>> Hotspots are now very precise :-)
>> Put both images onto a card, the modified one on top:
>> Now mousedowns, mouseUps, etc. will only bee sent when done in hot
>> spots.
>> If you have many hot spots, you can ensure the process by adding
>> rough invisible graphics including each hotspot and test in addition
>> in which graphic the mouse is within.
>> Note that you can set the blendlevel of the modified image to 100, it
>> will be invisible but all will go on to work :-)
>>
>> Le 25 mai 07 ? 15:21, jbv a ?crit :
>>
>>>
>>> What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular
>>> shapes
>>> on a large background image ?
>>> I've tried transparent graphics, and also a "mousemove" handler  
>>> in the
>>> card
>>> script, but nothing seems to work really well...
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> JB
>>
>> Best regards from Paris,
>> Eric Chatonet.
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>> http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
>> eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Fri May 18 11:40:28 2007
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:40:28 -0400
Subject: How to release a library to the list/world
Message-ID: <A2C630C5-E179-4F92-9D43-B799734FA079@comcast.net>

Dear fellow revolutionaries,

It has been a while since I have been able to post on the list. I  
have been very busy getting some software completed and also  
personally I have been dealing with a lot of issues, some good and  
some not so good. As a result I have been re-evaluating my goals and  
the projects I have been working on. One in particular is a project I  
had been working on with some passion and then all of a sudden I had  
to drop.

I have been working on a library of commands and functions for a  
project of mine that has grown out of control - not the project but  
rather the library has grown out of control. Anyway, I would like to  
release the library to this wonderful group of people who have helped  
me so much over these past 4 years.

Is there a preferred method of doing this?

The library is incomplete but I would say it is around 90%  
accomplished. I would like to benefit from the help of others to see  
this go to 100%. But I do not have the time available to participate  
heavily in this process. If I had the time I would have finished it  
myself. At the same time I don't want to have to overly explain some  
of the problems or solutions etc. in this library.

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated,


Regards

Tom McGrath


From alex at tweedly.org  Fri May 25 06:17:54 2007
From: alex at tweedly.org (Alex Tweedly)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:17:54 +0100
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
In-Reply-To: <4655EBBE.7010805@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4655EBBE.7010805@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <4656B7D2.4020503@tweedly.org>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
> On Wed, 23 May 2007,Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Right now Rev uses the OS APIs to get the file info, so it's about as
>> efficient as it can be.
>>
>> I can see the benefit of using EXIF, but since this requires additional
>> work and processing time, and only applies to a subset of a very small
>> number of file tyes, this sounds like an excellent candidate for an
>> external.
>>
>> Anyone here interested in writing it?
>>
>> -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation
>
>
>
> I do not know if he is interested and would have the time, but I think 
> Alex Tweedly, author of the wonderful "libEXIF" stack, would be the 
> ideal candidate.
>
I'd certainly be interested. I *should* have time.
> I have tried to "tweak" his stack a little to retrieve the "original 
> dates" from all image files of a folder. Execution time per image file 
> is from 13 to 40 milliseconds depending on what amount of date I get 
> from the "original date" line of Alex's variable "alltags" (i.e. only 
> the "original date" or with filename and/or seconds etc.).
>
> I left the stack script intact and edited only the "test" button to 
> get only the original-date lines. This means that the stack - as 
> before - first retrieves *all* EXIF data in the stack script before 
> only the date line is accessed from the changed button script.
>
> Would Alex rewrite his stack script to concentrate on the "original 
> date", I believe the execution speed per image file would be only 
> about 5 milliseconds or even less. An external based on his algorithms 
> would surely be astonishingly fast.
>
I'll have a look at it, probably over the weekend. I haven't actually 
looked at the EXIF stack for quite a while, so it will be interesting to 
see just how poor my code documentation was :-)

-- Alex.


From soapdog at mac.com  Fri May 25 12:55:31 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:55:31 -0300
Subject: How to release a library to the list/world
In-Reply-To: <A2C630C5-E179-4F92-9D43-B799734FA079@comcast.net>
References: <A2C630C5-E179-4F92-9D43-B799734FA079@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CA306FBF-EDA0-4EE4-A7A7-85DB542169A3@mac.com>

Hello Thomas,

easiest way, put it on RevOnline, write a little email about the lib  
and let it flow...

:D

andre

On May 18, 2007, at 12:40 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> Dear fellow revolutionaries,
>
> It has been a while since I have been able to post on the list. I  
> have been very busy getting some software completed and also  
> personally I have been dealing with a lot of issues, some good and  
> some not so good. As a result I have been re-evaluating my goals  
> and the projects I have been working on. One in particular is a  
> project I had been working on with some passion and then all of a  
> sudden I had to drop.
>
> I have been working on a library of commands and functions for a  
> project of mine that has grown out of control - not the project but  
> rather the library has grown out of control. Anyway, I would like  
> to release the library to this wonderful group of people who have  
> helped me so much over these past 4 years.
>
> Is there a preferred method of doing this?
>
> The library is incomplete but I would say it is around 90%  
> accomplished. I would like to benefit from the help of others to  
> see this go to 100%. But I do not have the time available to  
> participate heavily in this process. If I had the time I would have  
> finished it myself. At the same time I don't want to have to overly  
> explain some of the problems or solutions etc. in this library.
>
> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated,
>
>
> Regards
>
> Tom McGrath
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May 25 13:02:28 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:02:28 -0700
Subject: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
In-Reply-To: <C4C06BB1-6FD7-4225-85BF-43496C62E42A@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C27C64B4.2670C%scott@tactilemedia.com>

>> What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular
>> shapes on a large background image ?

> As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse
> messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the trick:
> Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use and
> erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as a png.
> Hotspots are now very precise :-)

It's worth noting that with the introduction of version 2.7 (I believe)
graphic objects will detect the mouse only within filled area they occupy,
instead of their rects, which makes them quite suitable for irregular click
regions.  It's no longer necessary to use images for this purpose.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Fri May 25 13:24:04 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:24:04 -0400
Subject: Filling in PDF forms
In-Reply-To: <B0000047487@titan.pon.net>
Message-ID: <OFDF096574.E015696D-ON852572E6.005E776F-852572E6.005E8933@sealedair.com>

David wrote:
>>I've had a quick search regarding the ability to auto fill in PDF forms -
>>that is not creating PDF's from databases - but lets say you have an
>>existing PDF that you need to fill out many many times from your data -
>>software that does this for you.

Rob Cozens wrote:
> FWIW, the US IRS distributes fill-in tax forms in PDF
> format.  Acrobat Reader allows the reader to fill in the boxes but
> not change any form text.  The completed form(s) can then be saved as
> a separate document.
>
> Rob

The XML below was saved out of a PDF form that I created in Acrobat 7 Pro.
You can also write XML using Rev as long as the field tags corespond to the
field names designated in the PDF form. This XML can be imported into the
fields of the PDF form.

? <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" ?>
    - <form1>
      - <Test_PDF_file>
        ? <JOB>82321</JOB>
        ? <TYPE>1</TYPE>
        ? <QTY_X>10</QTY_X>
        ? <QTY_Y>3</QTY_Y>
        ? <TOTAL>13</TOTAL>
    ? </Test_PDF_file>
  ? </form1>

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May 25 13:17:48 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:17:48 -0700
Subject: Popping up stacks
Message-ID: <46571A3C.2000001@fourthworld.com>

There are two ways to use stacks as popup menus, and these can be useful 
as grids and galleries.  But sadly each method has its weaknesses, and 
neither seems to allow users to interact with scrolling groups 
gracefully if at all.

I've put together a sample stack at:

   go url "http://www.fourthworldlabs.com/PopupTest.mc"

If you have time and interest, I'd appreciate any tips on how one might 
get scrolling groups to work within popup stacks.  If there isn't a way 
to do it now I'll post a BZ request.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri May 25 13:19:47 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 19:19:47 +0200
Subject: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
In-Reply-To: <C27C64B4.2670C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C27C64B4.2670C%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <278A51DE-1680-4D5D-9E2B-678708B1F926@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Scott,

Yes you are right about graphics but I find a lot easier to create  
very precise hotspot outlines using Photoshop.
Rev graphic tools are HC legacy, not more :-)

Le 25 mai 07 ? 19:02, Scott Rossi a ?crit :

>>> What is the best way to define clickable maps / areas with irregular
>>> shapes on a large background image ?
>
>> As png images with transparency (alpha channel) receive mouse
>> messages only in non transparent areas, here is a way to do the  
>> trick:
>> Open your original image in PhotoShop or any image editor you use and
>> erase all non hotspots places then save this modified image as a png.
>> Hotspots are now very precise :-)
>
> It's worth noting that with the introduction of version 2.7 (I  
> believe)
> graphic objects will detect the mouse only within filled area they  
> occupy,
> instead of their rects, which makes them quite suitable for  
> irregular click
> regions.  It's no longer necessary to use images for this purpose.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
----------------------------------------------------------------




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May 25 13:26:01 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:26:01 -0700
Subject: Popping up stacks
In-Reply-To: <46571A3C.2000001@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C27C6A39.2671A%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> There are two ways to use stacks as popup menus, and these can be useful
> as grids and galleries.  But sadly each method has its weaknesses, and
> neither seems to allow users to interact with scrolling groups
> gracefully if at all.

Each of these solutions is using a stack as a menu -- is there a reason you
can't display a palette or system window at the desired location?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May 25 13:47:34 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:47:34 -0700
Subject: Popping up stacks
Message-ID: <46572136.4060008@fourthworld.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> There are two ways to use stacks as popup menus, and these can
 >> be useful as grids and galleries.  But sadly each method has
 >> its weaknesses, and neither seems to allow users to interact
 >> with scrolling groups gracefully if at all.
 >
 > Each of these solutions is using a stack as a menu -- is there
 > a reason you can't display a palette or system window at the
 > desired location?

My first approach on this was to try the built-in methods for popping up 
a stack.

If there's no magic combination of property settings to make either of 
those work, using a palette would be the next step.

But this is not without its own challenges, as I'd need to carefully 
trap messages to dismiss the palette whenever anything else is clicked 
on, when the Escape key is pressed, etc.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May 25 14:01:36 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:01:36 -0700
Subject: Popping up stacks
In-Reply-To: <46572136.4060008@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C27C7290.26725%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>> Each of these solutions is using a stack as a menu -- is there
>> a reason you can't display a palette or system window at the
>> desired location?

> If there's no magic combination of property settings to make either of
> those work, using a palette would be the next step.
> 
> But this is not without its own challenges, as I'd need to carefully
> trap messages to dismiss the palette whenever anything else is clicked
> on, when the Escape key is pressed, etc.

Well at first glance, you may not have many other options available to you.
Since I assume the panel is supposed to open above another stack, you could
temporarily a transparent graphic in the under-stack to catch all non-popup
mouseclicks.

Are you replicating some behavior/feature in an existing application?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May 25 14:39:04 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 11:39:04 -0700
Subject: Popping up stacks
Message-ID: <46572D48.3030708@fourthworld.com>

Scott Rossi wrote:
 > Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >
 >>> Each of these solutions is using a stack as a menu -- is there
 >>> a reason you can't display a palette or system window at the
 >>> desired location?
 >
 >> If there's no magic combination of property settings to make
 >> either of those work, using a palette would be the next step.
 >>
 >> But this is not without its own challenges, as I'd need to carefully
 >> trap messages to dismiss the palette whenever anything else is
 >> clicked on, when the Escape key is pressed, etc.
 >
 > Well at first glance, you may not have many other options available
 > to you.

So it seems.


 > Since I assume the panel is supposed to open above another stack,
 > you could temporarily a transparent graphic in the under-stack to
 > catch all non-popup mouseclicks.

That would help for those, but then there's suspend and other messages 
that need to be trapped.


 > Are you replicating some behavior/feature in an existing application?

I'm not sure I understand the question, but I won't let that stop me 
from answering it. :)

If you mean, "Where did you see that before?", we have a few flavors.

Going way back, HyperCard had nifty tear-off menus with selection grids 
(though all controls were visible and didn't require a scrollbar).

More recently, as part of Microsoft's "Ribbons" UI in Office 12 they 
have Galleries, popup panes to select from a range of presets, sometimes 
with collections large enough to require scrolling:

<http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/archive/2005/09/19/471123.aspx>

Of course with the Mac menu bar we can't popup from there, but we can 
from a toolbar, which for this design is really what we're looking for.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri May 25 14:55:03 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:55:03 +0200
Subject: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
Message-ID: <46573107.4050709@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Scott Rossi scott at tactilemedia.com wrote:

> It's worth noting that with the introduction of version 2.7 (I believe)
> graphic objects will detect the mouse only within filled area they occupy,
> instead of their rects, which makes them quite suitable for irregular 
> click
> regions.  It's no longer necessary to use images for this purpose.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


and

Eric Chatonet eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com wrote:

> Hi Scott,
>
> Yes you are right about graphics but I find a lot easier to create  
> very precise hotspot outlines using Photoshop.
> Rev graphic tools are HC legacy, not more :-)



To my knowledge graphic objects were able to detect the mouse inside 
their filled area - instead of their rects - long before 2.7.
I have got a several years old educational sample stack where this is 
implemented and where most graphics in the image overlap each other.

<http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImageAndWords.zip>

And - while the possibilities of Photoshop and other photo tools surely 
surpass those of Rev in their specific field - I think it to be 
relatively easy to superimpose irregular polygons on images to catch 
mouse events in defined hotspot areas.
Changing the inks of the graphics on mouseenter and mouseleave is 
another variant to "hilite" specific irregular areas in an image.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri May 25 15:33:11 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:33:11 -0400
Subject: Windows DLLs and path
In-Reply-To: <5FE0C7B8-0112-1000-B4BC-82A1DC0CBDC4-Webmail-10017@mac.com>
References: <5FE0C7B8-0112-1000-B4BC-82A1DC0CBDC4-Webmail-10017@mac.com>
Message-ID: <465739F7.9000306@pdslabs.net>

Bill Vlahos wrote:
> I use SSL libraries in my application. For Windows Rev creates a couple of dlls that I need to include with my standalone. My application is portable in that all the files (executables and data) are in a folder. If the dlls are at the same level as the executables then it works fine but clutters the file system window with files a user doesn't need to deal with.
>
> I'd like to make a folder at the same level as the executables and put the dlls there. However, when I do this they are no longer in the path and don't work.
>
> Is there a way to tell the standalone they are in a subfolder?
>
> Thanks,
> Bill Vlahos

Hi Bill,

Have you tried setting the defaultFolder to the DLL folder (or maybe 
doing a shell("cd <path>")) just before issuing a command handled by 
them? It's a shot in the dark but might work.

Phil Davis


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri May 25 16:05:57 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 15:05:57 -0500
Subject: Popping up stacks
In-Reply-To: <46571A3C.2000001@fourthworld.com>
References: <46571A3C.2000001@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705251305t747440cey8c2ffd33b0624ca9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Richard,

Why don't you use a modal dialog for this? You can script it so your code
accesses it 'in process' for a handler, which makes your job pretty easy.

Check out:
"Creating a reusable dialog box" at
http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number7/default.htm

for a quicky type solution which shows an 'in process' use of a modal
dialog.

best,

Chipp


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May 25 16:11:56 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:11:56 -0700
Subject: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
In-Reply-To: <46573107.4050709@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <C27C911C.26740%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:

> To my knowledge graphic objects were able to detect the mouse inside
> their filled area - instead of their rects - long before 2.7.

Detecting the mouse, yes, always.  But within an irregular polygon shape,
the mouse would be detected using the entire rect of the graphic, regardless
of any concave or convex regions.  I (and Eric Chatonet I assume) spent many
years working around this limitation by using images with transparent
regions.  But this is now irrelevant as graphics detect the mouse using only
the area they occupy as expected.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May 25 16:29:33 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:29:33 -0700
Subject: Popping up stacks
Message-ID: <4657472D.8060507@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Why don't you use a modal dialog for this? You can script it so your code
> accesses it 'in process' for a handler, which makes your job pretty easy.
> 
> Check out:
> "Creating a reusable dialog box" at
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number7/default.htm
> 
> for a quicky type solution which shows an 'in process' use of a modal
> dialog.

Thanks, Chipp.  Yes, I've made a few dialogs over the years, and about 
half of them were generalized into reusable libraries.  Modals are 
useful, but they're, well, modal.

This is a subtle distinction, but in practice it affects the feel of a 
program's flow.

To use an extreme example, imagine if HyperCard's toolbox was a modal 
dialog.  Sure, it'd only be an extra click to use it, but it would feel 
more like a separate thing, less integrated with the flow.

In Office 12, the new Galleries could probably have been modals as well, 
as similar features were in earlier versions.

But there's something very immediate-feeling about having a gallery pop 
up from the toolbar.  And while a modal requires an explicit gesture to 
dismiss it, menus are dismissed by doing anything outside of it, 
allowing the busy user to move on to do something else if the mood 
strikes them, and the menu politely gets out of their way and lets them 
do it.

There are a lot of niceties like that in Office 12.  I've been reading 
Jensen Harris' blog on its design ever since Dan Shafer first turned me 
on to it:
<http://blogs.msdn.com/jensenh/>

This analysis from Nielsen helps lend some perspective:
<http://www.useit.com/alertbox/wysiwyg.html>

I share Neilsen's opinion that Ribbons represent one of the few truly 
new things in UIs since the standardization on the WIMP model (Windows, 
Icons, Menus, Pointer).  While we're not moving our UIs to a full 
Ribbons model, on a couple apps we're leaning in that direction with 
smarter and more complete toolbars.  Galleries as popup panes work well 
within that model, and they feel more "flowy", so over time I suspect 
many things which had been dialogs in our apps will migrate over time to 
popup panes.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri May 25 16:38:30 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 13:38:30 -0700
Subject: Popping up stacks
In-Reply-To: <4657472D.8060507@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C27C9756.26748%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I've made a few dialogs over the years, and about
> half of them were generalized into reusable libraries.  Modals are
> useful, but they're, well, modal.
> 
> This is a subtle distinction, but in practice it affects the feel of a
> program's flow.
> 
> To use an extreme example, imagine if HyperCard's toolbox was a modal
> dialog.  Sure, it'd only be an extra click to use it, but it would feel
> more like a separate thing, less integrated with the flow.

Perhaps you could build a fake sheet implementation (fake so that it works
crossplatform).  If you want something more "integrated with the flow", this
is pretty good IMO, and offers a little bit of eye candy with in/out
animation.  Not sure if having controls reside within the stack is drawback
for you (as opposed to stored in an external stack).

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From david at openpartnership.net  Fri May 25 16:45:04 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:45:04 +0100
Subject: Filling in PDF forms
In-Reply-To: <B0000047487@titan.pon.net>
References: <c1c5836b0705241203p5c5694aar9f11c34ae1801d@mail.gmail.com>
	<B0000047487@titan.pon.net>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705251345yf622731ma7f847334421667@mail.gmail.com>

Same in the UK Rob - which is actually the application I am thinking of. So
the question is what is the best way to take the IRS documents and get Rev
to fill in the forms from the accounts database? Read the XML? Or is there
another way????

On 25/05/07, Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> >I've had a quick search regarding the ability to auto fill in PDF forms -
> >that is not creating PDF's from databases - but lets say you have an
> >existing PDF that you need to fill out many many times from your data -
> >software that does this for you.
>
> FWIW, the US IRS distributes fill-in tax forms in PDF
> format.  Acrobat Reader allows the reader to fill in the boxes but
> not change any form text.  The completed form(s) can then be saved as
> a separate document.
>
> Rob
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Fri May 25 16:47:40 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:47:40 +0200
Subject: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
References: <C27C911C.26740%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <46574B6C.33401288@club-internet.fr>



> Recently, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
>
> > To my knowledge graphic objects were able to detect the mouse inside
> > their filled area - instead of their rects - long before 2.7.
>

yep, and thus the trick is actually straightforward : irregular polygonal shapes
are made with opaque graphics, and those are positioned under the background
image.
Then this very simple script can ve used in the card or background image :

on mousemove
  repeat with i=1 to number of grcs of this card
    if within(grc i,the mouseloc) then
      -- do something
      exit repeat
    end if
  end repeat
end mousemove

Best,
JB



From katir at hindu.org  Fri May 25 16:51:24 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 10:51:24 -1000
Subject: Severe crash with Rev 2.8.1 under MacOSX 10.4.9
In-Reply-To: <DC8B95FD-3CCC-4B87-A9DB-F96D0803FA64@net2000.ch>
References: <20070523170013.5EE1C488F1A@mail.runrev.com>
	<DC8B95FD-3CCC-4B87-A9DB-F96D0803FA64@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <46574C4C.7060507@hindu.org>

Joel Guillod wrote:
> May be the crash Joe reported is NOT due to the RR Search engine!!! Read 
> more...
> 
> This afternoon I have experienced two unexpectedly exits from Revolution 
> and I restarted my machine. And then I had a very severe crash during a 
> normal development session. I had no problem under Rev 2.7.4 for the 
> same business. Before the crash the only "unusual" thing I made is 
> printing a few cards and the print actually occured. But then when I 
> exited Revolution the session has unexpectedly closed and I spent much 
> time to be able to restart MacOSX (10.4.9 PPC). The Preview application 
> was the only one opened apart from Revolution (and Finder of course) and 
> I have not worked with any other applications during this user session.
> 
> If some other one experienced such a behavior, think about filling a bug 
> before some catastrophic event happens... with 2.8.1.


I've had a couple of these also...(same platform)
  but the requirement to identify
a reproducible recipe has made it difficult to consider posting a
bug. interestingly, when this happens, my

on closestack
    save this stack
end closestack

seem, to fire and I haven't really lost any work.
And I've never had to restart my machine.

i had a couple of such crashes on close stacks
that were open over the network (the stack is actually
on the server in another room)...

But, true: 2.7.4 was more stable.

but to keep things in perspective:

2.8.1  is still more stable than Adobe Acrobat Professional 8.0
which unexpectedly quits on me quit regularly (from the new
CS3 Suite)

Go figure (smile)




> Joel
> 
> 
>> I just tried the Search Engine you mentioned. There appears to be a 
>> very serious flaw to the Search engine - causing Revolution to 
>> unexpectedly quit and probably doing other damage as well, since my 
>> only recourse was to reboot. Even the dock was unresponsive. If I 
>> tried to reopen Rev, it appeared to reopen with the startup Rev Splash 
>> screen, but then was nowhere to be found. I realize I'm not being very 
>> specific, but this all was caused (twice) by clicking in the small 
>> black (color selection) box that appears in the upper right portion of 
>> the Search results window, the one that says it lets you select a 
>> color for keywords. As soon as the color selection dialog appeared and 
>> I attempted to change the color, Rev quit and the other things I 
>> mention occurred requiring that I reboot.
>>
>> Just thought you'd like to know, since you say you wrote that part of 
>> the docs.
>>
>> I'm running Rev 2.8.1 on OS 10.4.9 with an Intel Mac Dual Core. The 
>> first time it happened I had Isolator 1.0 turned on. The second time, 
>> I did not. Neither time did I have any other applications open; 
>> running  Safari as the web browser.
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
> 
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Fri May 25 17:05:48 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:05:48 -0500
Subject: Popping up stacks
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705251305t747440cey8c2ffd33b0624ca9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46571A3C.2000001@fourthworld.com>
	<7aa52a210705251305t747440cey8c2ffd33b0624ca9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46574FAC.4030806@siboneylg.com>

I don't believe you can specify a position for a modal dialog (without 
using tricks like specifying a larger window size and a windowshape).

Chipp Walters wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> Why don't you use a modal dialog for this? You can script it so your code
> accesses it 'in process' for a handler, which makes your job pretty easy.
>
> Check out:
> "Creating a reusable dialog box" at
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number7/default.htm
>
> for a quicky type solution which shows an 'in process' use of a modal
> dialog.
>
> best,
>
> Chipp
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri May 25 17:09:26 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:09:26 +0200
Subject: Popping up stacks
In-Reply-To: <46574FAC.4030806@siboneylg.com>
References: <46571A3C.2000001@fourthworld.com>
	<7aa52a210705251305t747440cey8c2ffd33b0624ca9@mail.gmail.com>
	<46574FAC.4030806@siboneylg.com>
Message-ID: <0DC278F0-7BF4-4756-B486-053F7096ED3A@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Peter,

Just set the loc of such a stack in its preOpenStack :-)

Le 25 mai 07 ? 23:05, Peter T. Evensen a ?crit :

> I don't believe you can specify a position for a modal dialog  
> (without using tricks like specifying a larger window size and a  
> windowshape).
>
> Chipp Walters wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Why don't you use a modal dialog for this? You can script it so  
>> your code
>> accesses it 'in process' for a handler, which makes your job  
>> pretty easy.
>>
>> Check out:
>> "Creating a reusable dialog box" at
>> http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number7/default.htm
>>
>> for a quicky type solution which shows an 'in process' use of a modal
>> dialog.
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Chipp


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri May 25 17:23:18 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:23:18 -0700
Subject: Popping up stacks
In-Reply-To: <46571A3C.2000001@fourthworld.com>
References: <46571A3C.2000001@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c27d03141af3@[192.168.1.103]>

Richard, If it's a dialog that can stay within the window, have you 
considered using groups instead of a new stack? I've found that 
'dialogs' created out of a group is quite effective, very fast, and 
is easy to create a very attractive interface. I mean really fast. 
hiding and showing.

sqb


>There are two ways to use stacks as popup menus, and these can be 
>useful as grids and galleries.  But sadly each method has its 
>weaknesses, and neither seems to allow users to interact with 
>scrolling groups gracefully if at all.
>
>I've put together a sample stack at:
>
>   go url "http://www.fourthworldlabs.com/PopupTest.mc"
>
>If you have time and interest, I'd appreciate any tips on how one 
>might get scrolling groups to work within popup stacks.  If there 
>isn't a way to do it now I'll post a BZ request.
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri May 25 17:26:45 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 14:26:45 -0700
Subject: Popping up stacks
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c27d03141af3@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <46571A3C.2000001@fourthworld.com>
	<p06240801c27d03141af3@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <p06240802c27d04d78491@[192.168.1.103]>

Never mind. I think I missed some details in the original post...'toolbar'

>Richard, If it's a dialog that can stay within the window, have you 
>considered using groups instead of a new stack? I've found that 
>'dialogs' created out of a group is quite effective, very fast, and 
>is easy to create a very attractive interface. I mean really fast. 
>hiding and showing.
>
>sqb
>
>>There are two ways to use stacks as popup menus, and these can be 
>>useful as grids and galleries.  But sadly each method has its 
>>weaknesses, and neither seems to allow users to interact with 
>>scrolling groups gracefully if at all.
>>
>>I've put together a sample stack at:
>>
>>   go url "http://www.fourthworldlabs.com/PopupTest.mc"
>>
>>If you have time and interest, I'd appreciate any tips on how one 
>>might get scrolling groups to work within popup stacks.  If there 
>>isn't a way to do it now I'll post a BZ request.
>>
>>--
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Fri May 25 17:57:33 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 23:57:33 +0200
Subject: best way to define clickable areas with irregular shapes ?
Message-ID: <46575BCD.70602@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Scott Rossi scott at tactilemedia.com wrote:

> Recently, Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
>
> > To my knowledge graphic objects were able to detect the mouse inside
> > their filled area - instead of their rects - long before 2.7.
>
> Detecting the mouse, yes, always.  But within an irregular polygon shape,
> the mouse would be detected using the entire rect of the graphic, 
> regardless
> of any concave or convex regions.  I (and Eric Chatonet I assume) 
> spent many
> years working around this limitation by using images with transparent
> regions.  But this is now irrelevant as graphics detect the mouse 
> using only
> the area they occupy as expected.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

Maybe I cannot grasp exactly what you and Eric were trying to achieve . 
Things seem to be different here.

The educational sample stack I referred to 
(<http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImageAndWords.zip>) was originally 
created in April 2003.  Within its irregular polygon shapes, the mouse 
would be detected only in the proper graphic area and *not* in the 
entire rect of the graphic.

Have a look at the stack and run it with a Metacard of Revolution 
version prior to 2.5. Look for instance at the exercise "Move and Click".

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke

<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>




From pepetoo at cox.net  Fri May 25 19:09:20 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:09:20 -0700
Subject: Popping up stacks
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c27d04d78491@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <46571A3C.2000001@fourthworld.com>
	<p06240801c27d03141af3@[192.168.1.103]>
	<p06240802c27d04d78491@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <703B71C1-6F75-41D1-B04F-69F0C675C05E@cox.net>

Stephen, I hate to say this, particularly since this list is very  
helpful and no doubt extremely talented and experienced in many  
areas, but sometimes I don't think most are as creative as they could  
be. I know it's a trite expression, but they need to think outside  
the box more often. Your suggestion is exactly what one of mine, made  
several days ago, would have led to. I didn't carry the ball any  
further than just suggesting an approach, but I was sure it would  
work and be easily accomplished. I got no response from that  
suggestion. Of course it had to do with Answer and Ask dialogs using  
images in the background; more or less the same thing.

So, have a pleasant Memorial Day weekend.

Joe Wilkins

On May 25, 2007, at 2:26 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Never mind. I think I missed some details in the original  
> post...'toolbar'
>
>> Richard, If it's a dialog that can stay within the window, have  
>> you considered using groups instead of a new stack? I've found  
>> that 'dialogs' created out of a group is quite effective, very  
>> fast, and is easy to create a very attractive interface. I mean  
>> really fast. hiding and showing.
>>
>> sqb
>>
>>> There are two ways to use stacks as popup menus, and these can be  
>>> useful as grids and galleries.  But sadly each method has its  
>>> weaknesses, and neither seems to allow users to interact with  
>>> scrolling groups gracefully if at all.
>>>
>>> I've put together a sample stack at:
>>>
>>>   go url "http://www.fourthworldlabs.com/PopupTest.mc"
>>>
>>> If you have time and interest, I'd appreciate any tips on how one  
>>> might get scrolling groups to work within popup stacks.  If there  
>>> isn't a way to do it now I'll post a BZ request.
>>>
>>> --
>>>  Richard Gaskin
>>>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>>
>>
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May 25 19:27:53 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 16:27:53 -0700
Subject: Popping up stacks
Message-ID: <465770F9.9010803@fourthworld.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> Richard, If it's a dialog that can stay within the window, have you 
> considered using groups instead of a new stack? I've found that 
> 'dialogs' created out of a group is quite effective, very fast, and 
> is easy to create a very attractive interface. I mean really fast. 
> hiding and showing.

Thanks for the suggestion -- good idea.  I use groups in a lot of ways 
throughout the UI, but these galleries they really need to be separate 
windows, as the document window they appear over is resizable and may be 
smaller than the gallery popup.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri May 25 20:10:29 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:10:29 -0700
Subject: Relative folder paths
Message-ID: <B1E7BAB9-0112-1000-B470-63B572F54FB3-Webmail-10006@mac.com>

I can't seem to refer to folders via relative paths.

Lets say I have a folder containing a standalone, Data folder, and Preference folder all at the same level. The defaultFolder would be the folder at the level of the standalone.

If I change the defaultFolder to "DataFileFolder" I can then just "put the files into vFilesList" to get a listing of the files. However, this resets the defaultFolder value so I can't get to things in the Preference folder.

How would I get a listing of files in the defaultFolder/DataFileFolder?

Thanks,
Bill Vlahos


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May 25 20:17:01 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:17:01 -0700
Subject: Relative folder paths
Message-ID: <46577C7D.70504@fourthworld.com>

Bill Vlahos wrote:

 > Lets say I have a folder containing a standalone, Data folder,
 > and Preference folder all at the same level. The defaultFolder
 > would be the folder at the level of the standalone.
 >
 > If I change the defaultFolder to "DataFileFolder" I can then
 > just "put the files into vFilesList" to get a listing of the
 > files. However, this resets the defaultFolder value so I can't
 > get to things in the Preference folder.
 >
 > How would I get a listing of files in the
 > defaultFolder/DataFileFolder?

Just move up one with "../":

   set the directory to "../DataFileFolder/"


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri May 25 22:09:07 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 19:09:07 -0700
Subject: Relative folder paths
In-Reply-To: <46577C7D.70504@fourthworld.com>
References: <46577C7D.70504@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4F2BEFBA-0112-1000-AF04-57F39DB4ED69-Webmail-10021@mac.com>

Richard,

This doesn't seem to do anything useful to me.

How would I get a list of files in the "DataFileFolder" and then get a list of files in the "Preferences" folder?

Bill
 
On Friday, May 25, 2007, at 05:17PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>Bill Vlahos wrote:
>
> > Lets say I have a folder containing a standalone, Data folder,
> > and Preference folder all at the same level. The defaultFolder
> > would be the folder at the level of the standalone.
> >
> > If I change the defaultFolder to "DataFileFolder" I can then
> > just "put the files into vFilesList" to get a listing of the
> > files. However, this resets the defaultFolder value so I can't
> > get to things in the Preference folder.
> >
> > How would I get a listing of files in the
> > defaultFolder/DataFileFolder?
>
>Just move up one with "../":
>
>   set the directory to "../DataFileFolder/"
>
>
>-- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
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From bvg at mac.com  Fri May 25 22:17:15 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 04:17:15 +0200
Subject: Relative folder paths
In-Reply-To: <4F2BEFBA-0112-1000-AF04-57F39DB4ED69-Webmail-10021@mac.com>
References: <46577C7D.70504@fourthworld.com>
	<4F2BEFBA-0112-1000-AF04-57F39DB4ED69-Webmail-10021@mac.com>
Message-ID: <fa8d0bc583a65cbc9584f3f2cbb5d077@mac.com>


On 26 May 2007, at 04:09, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> How would I get a list of files in the "DataFileFolder" and then get a 
> list of files in the "Preferences" folder?

Assuming your "DataFileFolder" contains your "Preferences" folder, and 
is the current defaultfolder:

Put the defaultfolder into temp
set the defaultfolder to temp & "/Preferences"
put the files
set the defaultfolder to temp
put the files

-- 

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http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From bvlahos at mac.com  Fri May 25 22:51:11 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 19:51:11 -0700
Subject: Relative folder paths
In-Reply-To: <fa8d0bc583a65cbc9584f3f2cbb5d077@mac.com>
References: <46577C7D.70504@fourthworld.com>
	<4F2BEFBA-0112-1000-AF04-57F39DB4ED69-Webmail-10021@mac.com>
	<fa8d0bc583a65cbc9584f3f2cbb5d077@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E46250B9-0112-1000-B80F-7FF753539A4D-Webmail-10023@mac.com>

Bj?rnke,

That's very helpful.

So you can't really do anything with relative paths. You just have to keep redefining what the defaultFolder is.

I can do that.

Thanks,
Bill

On Friday, May 25, 2007, at 07:17PM, "Bj?rnke von Gierke" <bvg at mac.com> wrote:
>
>On 26 May 2007, at 04:09, Bill Vlahos wrote:
>
>> How would I get a list of files in the "DataFileFolder" and then get a 
>> list of files in the "Preferences" folder?
>
>Assuming your "DataFileFolder" contains your "Preferences" folder, and 
>is the current defaultfolder:
>
>Put the defaultfolder into temp
>set the defaultfolder to temp & "/Preferences"
>put the files
>set the defaultfolder to temp
>put the files
>
>-- 
>
>official ChatRev page:
>http://chatrev.bjoernke.com
>
>Chat with other RunRev developers:
>go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"
>
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From scott at cdroo.com  Fri May 25 23:06:06 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 13:06:06 +1000
Subject: Windows DLLs and path
References: <5FE0C7B8-0112-1000-B4BC-82A1DC0CBDC4-Webmail-10017@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000601c79f42$cf6b92a0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Bill Vlahos" <bvlahos at mac.com>

> Is there a way to tell the standalone they are in a subfolder?

Possibly in Rev - but I've not tried it.  However...  It's normal practice 
to place them in the standalone (executable) directory.  Placing them in the 
path can cause dll hell in that another application uses a dll of the same 
name or even a newer or older dll that your app can not handle.  So avoid 
the path for this stuff.  In terms of the dll being in the same folder as 
the standalone (executable) why not do something like this (providing you're 
not installing into c:\Program Files which will cause problems in Vista):

Put you dll into your standalone as a binary custom property.  When the app 
executes unpack it to a file (.dll) and when your program exits delete the 
dll.  This is pretty much what happens with some static linking programs 
like C++, Delphi, VB etc.  You'd have to be sure to free the dll before 
deletion.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  &Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come."  Victor Hugo 



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri May 25 23:31:13 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 22:31:13 -0500
Subject: Popping up stacks
In-Reply-To: <4657472D.8060507@fourthworld.com>
References: <4657472D.8060507@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705252031o8f5ed0pfbbe09e6c765b5da@mail.gmail.com>

> In Office 12, the new Galleries could probably have been modals as well,
> as similar features were in earlier versions.

I'm not as all crazy about 'Ribbons' as the rest. The take up a lot of
screen real estate, and in many cases require significant processing
resources (WYSIWYG font settings for instance). While they are
certainly great for some things, I'm not all that stoked about them
for all interface needs. And, they aren't as easy to figure out as one
might think. I believe we've already argued the plus/minus of them in
past threads.

> But there's something very immediate-feeling about having a gallery pop
> up from the toolbar.  And while a modal requires an explicit gesture to
> dismiss it, menus are dismissed by doing anything outside of it,
> allowing the busy user to move on to do something else if the mood
> strikes them, and the menu politely gets out of their way and lets them
> do it.

Of course there's always the issue of how to dismiss them (cancel
them). If you click outside the window, but on a different button or
ribbon, does it instantly popup? Or is the click  captured only as a
dismissal? And what about accidental clicking outside the window, or
switching to another app?


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri May 25 23:51:48 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 20:51:48 -0700
Subject: Popping up stacks
Message-ID: <4657AED4.4000902@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:

>> In Office 12, the new Galleries could probably have been modals as well,
>> as similar features were in earlier versions.
> 
> I'm not as all crazy about 'Ribbons' as the rest. The take up a lot of
> screen real estate, and in many cases require significant processing
> resources (WYSIWYG font settings for instance). While they are
> certainly great for some things, I'm not all that stoked about them
> for all interface needs. And, they aren't as easy to figure out as one
> might think. I believe we've already argued the plus/minus of them in
> past threads.

It'll be interesting to see how things evolve.  GUIs have pretty much 
done without significant revision for more than a decade, so it seems 
we're about due for something to shake things up, if not Ribbons then 
something else.

And both MS and I hear you about real-estate:  the smart toolbar can be 
shown or hidden with a single keystroke.


>> But there's something very immediate-feeling about having a gallery pop
>> up from the toolbar.  And while a modal requires an explicit gesture to
>> dismiss it, menus are dismissed by doing anything outside of it,
>> allowing the busy user to move on to do something else if the mood
>> strikes them, and the menu politely gets out of their way and lets them
>> do it.
> 
> Of course there's always the issue of how to dismiss them (cancel
> them). If you click outside the window, but on a different button or
> ribbon, does it instantly popup? Or is the click  captured only as a
> dismissal? And what about accidental clicking outside the window, or
> switching to another app?

Ideally all popup menus would work identically, whether they're 
text-only or use graphical elements.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From bvlahos at mac.com  Sat May 26 00:21:10 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 21:21:10 -0700
Subject: Windows DLLs and path
In-Reply-To: <000601c79f42$cf6b92a0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <5FE0C7B8-0112-1000-B4BC-82A1DC0CBDC4-Webmail-10017@mac.com>
	<000601c79f42$cf6b92a0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <6A8791BA-0112-1000-B317-25AF2BD31F86-Webmail-10025@mac.com>

 Scott,

That's very clever to put them in a custom property and unpack when needed. I'm not installing into c:\Program Files so that should not be a problem.

How do you "free the dll"? Other than the dlls would still be there, is there a problem if a user uses the Task Manager to kill the program as it won't free the dlls?

Thanks,
Bill Vlahos

On Friday, May 25, 2007, at 08:06PM, "Scott Kane" <scott at cdroo.com> wrote:
>From: "Bill Vlahos" <bvlahos at mac.com>
>
>> Is there a way to tell the standalone they are in a subfolder?
>
>Possibly in Rev - but I've not tried it.  However...  It's normal practice 
>to place them in the standalone (executable) directory.  Placing them in the 
>path can cause dll hell in that another application uses a dll of the same 
>name or even a newer or older dll that your app can not handle.  So avoid 
>the path for this stuff.  In terms of the dll being in the same folder as 
>the standalone (executable) why not do something like this (providing you're 
>not installing into c:\Program Files which will cause problems in Vista):
>
>Put you dll into your standalone as a binary custom property.  When the app 
>executes unpack it to a file (.dll) and when your program exits delete the 
>dll.  This is pretty much what happens with some static linking programs 
>like C++, Delphi, VB etc.  You'd have to be sure to free the dll before 
>deletion.
>
>Scott Kane
>CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  &Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
>Music
>"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come."  Victor Hugo 
>
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From scott at cdroo.com  Sat May 26 00:51:51 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 14:51:51 +1000
Subject: Windows DLLs and path
References: <5FE0C7B8-0112-1000-B4BC-82A1DC0CBDC4-Webmail-10017@mac.com><000601c79f42$cf6b92a0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<6A8791BA-0112-1000-B317-25AF2BD31F86-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c79f51$95e5a110$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Bill Vlahos" <bvlahos at mac.com>

> That's very clever to put them in a custom property and unpack when 
> needed. I'm not installing into c:\Program Files so that should not be a 
> problem.

It's an old trick with other IDE's.  :-)

> How do you "free the dll"? Other than the dlls would still be there, is 
> there a problem if a user uses the Task Manager to kill the program as it 
> won't free the dlls?

AFAICT using a dll's in Rev requires implicity loading (intializing them) 
and then unloading them (from samples of externals I've seen, though I could 
be wrong here).  However generally, all things being equal, Windows will 
unload the dll when it is no longer being used.  So....  The best way to 
arrive at the correct solution here is to give it a try and see if you get 
any Windows error messages doing it.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  &Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come."  Victor Hugo 



From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sat May 26 03:13:02 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 00:13:02 -0700
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705200535h2d683a0bu8912d8afde34a593@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C27D2C0E.2490D%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 5/20/07 5:35 AM, "David Bovill" <david at openpartnership.net> wrote:

> Has anyone got extensive experience of using altID? I am thinking of using
> it - but not sure exactly how.
> 
> The scenario I have is to do with a library of components that get copied
> all over the place, replace each other and need a good way of referring to
> each other and their library equivalents. I cant to use ids as they change
> when copied. I can't use names, because there may be other controls of the
> same name, and i want to be able to rename them without affecting anything,
> so... can I use altIDs?

Hi, David.  Yes, you can use altIDs, as in the following example:

<script>
on mouseUp
  create stack
  go to it
  create group "aTemplate"
  create field in it
  set altID of it to 1
  set text of it to "template"
  clone group "aTemplate"
  set name of it to "aClone"
  put "clone" into field id 1 of group "aClone"
  put field id 1 of group "aTemplate" && field id 1 of group "aClone"
end mouseUp
</script>

Watch out for using an altID that Rev uses as a primary id.  You could
create a thousand clones in one stack using the above technique without
clashing with Rev's ids.  If you need ten thousand, you can set the id of
the stack up by ten thousand, and used the skipped Rev ids for your altIDs.

Watch out also for the upper limit on altIDs, which is 65535.

Does that work for you?

-- Dick




From david at openpartnership.net  Sat May 26 06:51:23 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:51:23 +0100
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <C27D2C0E.2490D%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705200535h2d683a0bu8912d8afde34a593@mail.gmail.com>
	<C27D2C0E.2490D%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705260351v204c86ddi9b4007b33d6c6766@mail.gmail.com>

On 26/05/07, Dick Kriesel <dick.kriesel at mail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Watch out also for the upper limit on altIDs, which is 65535.


Didn't know that - will do!

Does that work for you?


 I don't think it does. I like the idea of being able to copy a template
into a stack and still refer to the object by its altID - so everything
keeps working. The aim is not to have to rename anything in a script as this
gets messy in a general case.

But if I copy 10 versions to the same stack it won't work with altIDs
because they would all have the same id and as (unlike the case with normal
ids) - you cant use a syntax like "group id 65535 of card 1" there is no way
to distinguish them without renaming them.


From klaus at major-k.de  Sat May 26 07:22:42 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 13:22:42 +0200
Subject: Open HC stacks in Rev
Message-ID: <7C56B88A-2F7D-4B6B-AEB5-EBE341697FB2@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

I have no experience in opening HC stacks in Rev and actually don't  
have to :-)
But a friend of mine tried it and got this error: "File is not a stack!"

Any hints? Thanks in advance.


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Sat May 26 07:49:50 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 13:49:50 +0200
Subject: Open HC stacks in Rev
In-Reply-To: <7C56B88A-2F7D-4B6B-AEB5-EBE341697FB2@major-k.de>
References: <7C56B88A-2F7D-4B6B-AEB5-EBE341697FB2@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <36B54D70-94F0-4F5E-967D-3EBA2B2E82CB@major-k.de>

Hi there,

> Hi friends,
>
> I have no experience in opening HC stacks in Rev and actually don't  
> have to :-)
> But a friend of mine tried it and got this error: "File is not a  
> stack!"
>
> Any hints? Thanks in advance.

We already found the answer!
It was just the "Open" dialog that only lets you open Rev "*.rev"  
documents!

With an "answer file "Yadda"; go stack it" in the msg it works as  
exspected.


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sat May 26 14:37:31 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:37:31 -0700
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705260351v204c86ddi9b4007b33d6c6766@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C27DCC7B.24916%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 5/26/07 3:51 AM, "David Bovill" <david at openpartnership.net> wrote:

> I like the idea of being able to copy a template
> into a stack and still refer to the object by its altID - so everything
> keeps working. The aim is not to have to rename anything in a script as this
> gets messy in a general case.
> 
> But if I copy 10 versions to the same stack it won't work with altIDs
> because they would all have the same id and as (unlike the case with normal
> ids) - you cant use a syntax like "group id 65535 of card 1" there is no way
> to distinguish them without renaming them.

If you make ten copies of a template, you need to distinguish each of the
ten somehow.  Since you'd rather not rename them "copy1" through "copy10"
you can identify each copy in a custom property set of the object that
contains them.

<script>
function copyTemplate pTemplateName,pLibraryName,pTarget
  put the uTemplateCopies of pTarget into tTemplateCopies
  put the keys of tTemplateCopies into tKeys
  filter tKeys with pTemplateName,pLibraryName,"*"
  put number of lines in tKeys + 1 into tCopyNumber
  copy group pTemplateName of stack pLibraryName to pTarget
  set the uTemplate of it to pTemplateName,pLibraryName
  set the uCopies of group pTemplateName of stack pLibraryName to \
    the long id of it
  set the uTemplateCopies of pTarget to tTemplateCopies \
    & pTemplateName,pLibraryName,tCopyNumber & cr
  return tCopyNumber
end copyTemplate
</script>

Then each template knows its copies, each copy knows its template, and each
target knows which copies of which templates it contains. Your code can
refer to a control in any of the copies using an "of group id" clause to
disambiguate the altIDs.

<script>
  put the text of control id tAltID of group id \
    the uTemplateCopies[tTemplateName,tLibraryName,tCopyNumber] of tTarget
</script>

Please note that the above code is a suggestion typed into an email, rather
than tested code copied from a working app.  Does the suggestion work for
you?  If you improve the code somehow, please share your results.

-- Dick




From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May 26 14:55:23 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:55:23 -0700
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <C27DCC7B.24916%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C27DCC7B.24916%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <EE9A0675-0CA9-4C8A-9C35-C6573EA4D2E8@cox.net>

Dick,

I admire in cleverness of all this, but the code is even worse to  
comprehend than assembly language. Seems to me we're going backwards.  
Can't we just keep things simple; like with put and get and  
meaningful names?

Seems to me we're defeating the whole purpose of Rev.

Just MHO,

Joe Wilkins

On May 26, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Dick Kriesel wrote:

> On 5/26/07 3:51 AM, "David Bovill" <david at openpartnership.net> wrote:
>
>> I like the idea of being able to copy a template
>> into a stack and still refer to the object by its altID - so  
>> everything
>> keeps working. The aim is not to have to rename anything in a  
>> script as this
>> gets messy in a general case.
>>
>> But if I copy 10 versions to the same stack it won't work with altIDs
>> because they would all have the same id and as (unlike the case  
>> with normal
>> ids) - you cant use a syntax like "group id 65535 of card 1" there  
>> is no way
>> to distinguish them without renaming them.
>
> If you make ten copies of a template, you need to distinguish each  
> of the
> ten somehow.  Since you'd rather not rename them "copy1" through  
> "copy10"
> you can identify each copy in a custom property set of the object that
> contains them.
>
> <script>
> function copyTemplate pTemplateName,pLibraryName,pTarget
>   put the uTemplateCopies of pTarget into tTemplateCopies
>   put the keys of tTemplateCopies into tKeys
>   filter tKeys with pTemplateName,pLibraryName,"*"
>   put number of lines in tKeys + 1 into tCopyNumber
>   copy group pTemplateName of stack pLibraryName to pTarget
>   set the uTemplate of it to pTemplateName,pLibraryName
>   set the uCopies of group pTemplateName of stack pLibraryName to \
>     the long id of it
>   set the uTemplateCopies of pTarget to tTemplateCopies \
>     & pTemplateName,pLibraryName,tCopyNumber & cr
>   return tCopyNumber
> end copyTemplate
> </script>
>
> Then each template knows its copies, each copy knows its template,  
> and each
> target knows which copies of which templates it contains. Your code  
> can
> refer to a control in any of the copies using an "of group id"  
> clause to
> disambiguate the altIDs.
>
> <script>
>   put the text of control id tAltID of group id \
>     the uTemplateCopies[tTemplateName,tLibraryName,tCopyNumber] of  
> tTarget
> </script>
>
> Please note that the above code is a suggestion typed into an  
> email, rather
> than tested code copied from a working app.  Does the suggestion  
> work for
> you?  If you improve the code somehow, please share your results.
>
> -- Dick
>
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat May 26 15:07:51 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 12:07:51 -0700
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <EE9A0675-0CA9-4C8A-9C35-C6573EA4D2E8@cox.net>
References: <C27DCC7B.24916%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<EE9A0675-0CA9-4C8A-9C35-C6573EA4D2E8@cox.net>
Message-ID: <p06240803c27e35c8837d@[192.168.1.103]>

True, but IDs  are global, and faster as a lookup is not required.

>Dick,
>
>I admire in cleverness of all this, but the code is even worse to 
>comprehend than assembly language. Seems to me we're going 
>backwards. Can't we just keep things simple; like with put and get 
>and meaningful names?
>
>Seems to me we're defeating the whole purpose of Rev.
>
>Just MHO,
>
>Joe Wilkins
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sat May 26 15:16:10 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 12:16:10 -0700
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <EE9A0675-0CA9-4C8A-9C35-C6573EA4D2E8@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C27DD58A.2491D%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 5/26/07 11:55 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> I admire in cleverness of all this, but the code is even worse to
> comprehend than assembly language. Seems to me we're going backwards.
> Can't we just keep things simple; like with put and get and
> meaningful names?
> 
> Seems to me we're defeating the whole purpose of Rev.

Rev's purpose, as I see it, stops short of making it easy to use libraries
of custom controls.  The topic has come up on use-rev quite a few times, but
it's never seemed easy or simple.

Naming things is difficult.

If you can simplify the logic and/or improve the names, please post your
code.  I'm all for simplicity and meaningful names.  I just haven't seen a
better way to serve this purpose.

-- Dick




From david at openpartnership.net  Sat May 26 15:16:25 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 20:16:25 +0100
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <C27DCC7B.24916%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705260351v204c86ddi9b4007b33d6c6766@mail.gmail.com>
	<C27DCC7B.24916%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705261216n359b3058j21674e5394f7e0b2@mail.gmail.com>

On 26/05/07, Dick Kriesel <dick.kriesel at mail.com> wrote:

> Then each template knows its copies, each copy knows its template, and
> each
> target knows which copies of which templates it contains. Your code can
> refer to a control in any of the copies using an "of group id" clause to
> disambiguate the altIDs.
>
> <script>
>   put the text of control id tAltID of group id \
>     the uTemplateCopies[tTemplateName,tLibraryName,tCopyNumber] of tTarget
> </script>



Yes - but the problem is you cannot use "control id tAltID of group id" -
thats why it does not work. If it did I could use altID and in cases where i
had several copies - just use the "control id tAltID of group id" syntax.
For now it looks like using "names" is the only way to go. The technique I
have been using for a while is to use getprop handlers for a layer of
abstraction - any call to a component refers to "the tree_View of someView -
with "getprop tree-View" returning a long id. In special case where you want
to be able to rename an object you can use "group 2 of me" syntax or use the
type of custom property look up you mention above.


From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May 26 15:18:18 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 12:18:18 -0700
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c27e35c8837d@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <C27DCC7B.24916%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<EE9A0675-0CA9-4C8A-9C35-C6573EA4D2E8@cox.net>
	<p06240803c27e35c8837d@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <A2CC5C97-0B57-47F7-B4D0-05225EF665D6@cox.net>

And assembly language beats the socks off of everything, and I  
suppose, with Apple's transition to Intel chips, would also be cross  
platform. Of course I've never done any for X86 chips; but a lot for  
6800; and, even with the 8 and 16 mhz machines of the day, it was  
blazing, eye-popping fast. Not proposing; just commenting. (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On May 26, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> True, but IDs  are global, and faster as a lookup is not required.
>
>> Dick,
>>
>> I admire in cleverness of all this, but the code is even worse to  
>> comprehend than assembly language. Seems to me we're going  
>> backwards. Can't we just keep things simple; like with put and get  
>> and meaningful names?
>>
>> Seems to me we're defeating the whole purpose of Rev.
>>
>> Just MHO,
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>
>
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From david at openpartnership.net  Sat May 26 15:23:08 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 20:23:08 +0100
Subject: Mobile Names
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705261223o5a9b753dm543942d3521e8168@mail.gmail.com>

On the topic of names of things - I have developed a technique for creating
names that are as mobile as possible - the best form seems to be as follows:

  button "Test" of stack "Mobile"

Seems simple? I wish it was easier to create these names in Rev or am I
missing something - the long names give the file path and the short names
omit the stack bit - deconstructing and reconstructing a name is what i do -
but it is a real pitty that there is no built in way of getting this?

NB - the point of this is that if you copy the folder around  the references
still work.


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sat May 26 15:30:38 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 12:30:38 -0700
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0705261216n359b3058j21674e5394f7e0b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C27DD8EE.24924%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 5/26/07 12:16 PM, "David Bovill" <david at openpartnership.net> wrote:

> the problem is you cannot use "control id tAltID of group id" -
> thats why it does not work

That construct works for me.  Here's a working example, derived from the
first script I posted yesterday.

on mouseUp
  create stack
  go to it
  create group "aTemplate"
  put the id of it into tGroupID1
  create field in it
  set altid of it to 1
  set text of it to "template"
  clone group "aTemplate"
  put the id of it into tGroupID2
  set the text of field id 1 of it to "clone"
  put field id 1 of group id tGroupID1 && field id 1 of group id tGroupID2
end mouseUp

What makes you think the construct doesn't work?

-- Dick




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat May 26 16:14:10 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 13:14:10 -0700
Subject: altID
Message-ID: <46589512.6090207@fourthworld.com>

Though I've rarely used altIDs, when I did some testing on this a while 
back I found that they could be used in just about any syntax in which 
the ID could be used, e.g.:

    get the loc of btn id tMyAltID of grp id tMyTrueID

IIRC from those tests, the engine does the lookup in object order, 
checking first the true ID and if no match is found then it looks for a 
match on the altID.

This means of course that you could potentially have a conflict if you 
try to use an altID in the range of true IDs in use.

The range of numbers for altIDs goes up to 65535, and if you start with
a number well above the number of objects in your stack plus a few
thousand you should never have a conflict.

Built-in IDs start at 1001 and all objects are apparently incremented
from the same counter, so a new card will be 1002, a button added there
will be 1003, etc.

So if you know the sum of all objects will be fewer than 9000 (that
would be a hefty project), you could safely start your altIDs at 10000, 
giving you a range of more than 55,000 custom IDs.

BZ#3089 is a request to extend the range of altIDs to match the limits 
of true IDs - you can add your votes to it here:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3089>

Thanks to Dick Kriesel for bringing that to my attention.


I agree with the assessment that there's much that could be done to make 
it easier to create and manage custom controls in Rev.  For example, if 
we had some sort of locked property for groups we could select them as 
if they were a single object, regardless of the current state of the 
selectGroupedControls global property:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=2144>

But while it could be easier, I haven't seen anything yet which makes 
such gadgets prohibitively difficult in Rev today.

As one example I have a table object I use in a number of apps, and a 
couple other developers have used it in their work as well. (If my 
client work ever slows down enough I hope to get around to packaging 
that for public consumption).  I don't bother with IDs at all there, 
custom or otherwise.

Each grouped table object only contains the barest code needed to call 
handlers in a shared library.  Table settings (header names, column 
widths, list contents, etc.) are all set through custom properties, and 
the library contains getProp and setProp handlers to drive the behavior 
in the target object.  This minimizes replicated code, and allows me to 
make changes to just one library to address bugs and extend behaviors 
across all instances in any project.

By using properties to drive the control, the getProp and setProp 
handlers just refer to "the target" to find the object being acted on, 
so there's no need to hard-wire IDs anywhere in the scripts.

This property-driven method also feels more or less "natural", given 
that most of the basic appearances and behaviors in Rev's own native 
controls are driven by properties.

I'm sure there are cases where writing hard-wired IDs in scripts could 
be useful, but I can't say I've ever needed to do so in my own work.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From katir at hindu.org  Sat May 26 16:30:04 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 10:30:04 -1000
Subject: Abode Tools Died  -- > Back To RunRev!
Message-ID: <465898CC.1040300@hindu.org>

It seems with the upgrade to CS3, as some are saying over at the Adobe 
forums,

"we have paid for a downgrade"

Specifically, Adobe dropped ImageReady and it is no longer possible to
create and share droplets for photo processing. Sure you can buy
Fireworks and learn it's powerful batch processing methods, but
then we would need to spend another $2,000 to purchase 20 seats
just to let other process photos. (Photoshop's droplets, are still
deficient... end of the actions will *not* let you over write existing files
without asking...)

OK, so, I'm back to Revolution to do what I've wanted to do for years:

Process the photos right inside Run Rev.

Downsizing, rotating,  setting the image data of a new image to the 
scaled image
and saving as jpeg... all works fine...

But, I would like to build into the process a few discreet filters

I know about the macho photo processing stack that  I think
(was it Klaus, or some other Big Rev Brain in Europe)  made

but  the interface was a maze of things I would never use
(I don't need to turn real photos into Van Gogh! however
cool that might be...)

What we need is to  extract specific filters as discreet tools.
right now, all I want is:
-- auto levels
-- unsharp mask with a specific preset setting.

Has anyone done that yet? Extracted such
filters as discreet handlers?


Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sat May 26 16:29:58 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 21:29:58 +0100
Subject: Enhanced QT external problems on WinXP
Message-ID: <145D9827-6DA8-4FB6-B669-D36A1A0007F4@azurevision.co.uk>

Hi all,

Could you help find out if I'm going insane or not... On a Windows  
standalone as soon as I call 'qtInitialize' to start Trevor's  
external the standalone crashes with the standard Windows 'do you  
want to send a message' dialog.

Here's the test stack:

http://www.ianjameswood.co.uk/temp/QTexternal_test_win.rev

Load the stack, build it as a standalone, copy the QT external  
across. In the standalone, click 'external' to load the external and  
'qtInitialize' to call the external. Immediate crash every time for me.

I've tried the following combinations:
Build from 2.8.1 on OS X.
Build from 2.8.0 on OS X.
Build from 2.7.4 on OS X.
Build from 2.7.4 on Windows XP SP2 (via Parallels).
Build from 2.8.1 on Windows XP SP2 (via Parallels).

Downloaded the external again.

Run on:
Windows XP SP2 in Parallels, first with QT 7.1.3 then with QT 7.1.6.
Windows XP SP2 on an Acer desktop, just in case something was screwed  
up with the Parallels install.

Help!

Ian


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat May 26 16:42:42 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 22:42:42 +0200
Subject: Enhanced QT external problems on WinXP
In-Reply-To: <145D9827-6DA8-4FB6-B669-D36A1A0007F4@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <145D9827-6DA8-4FB6-B669-D36A1A0007F4@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0FBC4FAF-13BF-45FC-A012-E39E29558C89@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ian,

I had a similar problem. Probably, the best thing you can do is to  
write Trevor privately and hope he will find the time to solve the  
problem.

Best,

Mark

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Op 26-mei-2007, om 22:29 heeft Ian Wood het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
>
> Could you help find out if I'm going insane or not... On a Windows  
> standalone as soon as I call 'qtInitialize' to start Trevor's  
> external the standalone crashes with the standard Windows 'do you  
> want to send a message' dialog.
>
> Here's the test stack:
>
> http://www.ianjameswood.co.uk/temp/QTexternal_test_win.rev
>
> Load the stack, build it as a standalone, copy the QT external  
> across. In the standalone, click 'external' to load the external  
> and 'qtInitialize' to call the external. Immediate crash every time  
> for me.
>
> I've tried the following combinations:
> Build from 2.8.1 on OS X.
> Build from 2.8.0 on OS X.
> Build from 2.7.4 on OS X.
> Build from 2.7.4 on Windows XP SP2 (via Parallels).
> Build from 2.8.1 on Windows XP SP2 (via Parallels).
>
> Downloaded the external again.
>
> Run on:
> Windows XP SP2 in Parallels, first with QT 7.1.3 then with QT 7.1.6.
> Windows XP SP2 on an Acer desktop, just in case something was  
> screwed up with the Parallels install.
>
> Help!
>
> Ian


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sat May 26 16:46:05 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 21:46:05 +0100
Subject: Enhanced QT external problems on WinXP
In-Reply-To: <0FBC4FAF-13BF-45FC-A012-E39E29558C89@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <145D9827-6DA8-4FB6-B669-D36A1A0007F4@azurevision.co.uk>
	<0FBC4FAF-13BF-45FC-A012-E39E29558C89@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <65EFB6E8-5877-4C34-B4DF-DDF4C83C9A04@azurevision.co.uk>


On 26 May 2007, at 21:42, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> I had a similar problem. Probably, the best thing you can do is to  
> write Trevor privately and hope he will find the time to solve the  
> problem.

Thanks, I just wanted to see if it was something specific to me  
before contacting Trevor directly, as I can't see any changes from  
similar standalones built a couple of months ago using the same  
install of Rev and the same copy of the external. ?!?

Ian


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat May 26 18:32:41 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 01:32:41 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: Abode Tools Died  -- > Back To RunRev!
References: <465898CC.1040300@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4658B589.000001.02452@MAZYTIS>

ImageMagick 
http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php 
 
It would be nice to have a direct interface from Rev. However it is also
possible to use in batch mode and command line, accessible from many other
programing languages and environments (Perl, Python, etc...). 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Sivakatirswami 
Date: 26/05/2007 23:30:04 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Abode Tools Died -- > Back To RunRev! 
 
It seems with the upgrade to CS3, as some are saying over at the Adobe 
forums, 
 
"we have paid for a downgrade" 
 
Specifically, Adobe dropped ImageReady and it is no longer possible to 
create and share droplets for photo processing. Sure you can buy 
Fireworks and learn it's powerful batch processing methods, but 
then we would need to spend another $2,000 to purchase 20 seats 
just to let other process photos. (Photoshop's droplets, are still 
deficient... end of the actions will *not* let you over write existing files

without asking...) 
 
OK, so, I'm back to Revolution to do what I've wanted to do for years: 
 
Process the photos right inside Run Rev. 
 
Downsizing, rotating, setting the image data of a new image to the 
scaled image 
and saving as jpeg... all works fine... 
 
But, I would like to build into the process a few discreet filters 
 
I know about the macho photo processing stack that I think 
(was it Klaus, or some other Big Rev Brain in Europe) made 
 
but the interface was a maze of things I would never use 
(I don't need to turn real photos into Van Gogh! however 
cool that might be...) 
 
What we need is to extract specific filters as discreet tools. 
right now, all I want is: 
-- auto levels 
-- unsharp mask with a specific preset setting. 
 
Has anyone done that yet? Extracted such 
filters as discreet handlers? 
 
 
Sivakatirswami 
www.himalayanacademy.com 
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Sat May 26 20:42:34 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 17:42:34 -0700
Subject: Stack version?
Message-ID: <5E9D51BA-0112-1000-BE36-1BC104393EF4-Webmail-10025@mac.com>

I was wondering how others deal with versionioning their stacks. I don't mean the standalones which already have version information but regular stacks.

I have a stack that is opened by a standalone stub. The standalone won't change much but the program stack that is opened will. I want to be able to do updates from the Internet that essentially replaces the stack.

To do this I need to standardize on a way to code a version number in the stack and then compare the version the user has with that on the web server. If the web server version is newer I want to give the user the ability to download the new version which would replace the old version.

I can come up with a way to do this but I'm pretty sure there are more experienced Revolutionaries on this list have have thought this over already.

Bill Vlahos


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat May 26 20:48:49 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 10:48:49 +1000
Subject: Stack version?
In-Reply-To: <5E9D51BA-0112-1000-BE36-1BC104393EF4-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
References: <5E9D51BA-0112-1000-BE36-1BC104393EF4-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705261748o3f92c084me0c9e3e7980060e7@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/27/07, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:
> I was wondering how others deal with versionioning their stacks. I don't mean the standalones which already have version information but regular stacks.
>
> I have a stack that is opened by a standalone stub. The standalone won't change much but the program stack that is opened will. I want to be able to do updates from the Internet that essentially replaces the stack.
>
> To do this I need to standardize on a way to code a version number in the stack and then compare the version the user has with that on the web server. If the web server version is newer I want to give the user the ability to download the new version which would replace the old version.


Bill, I use a standard custom property i.e. for one project each of
the stacks have a custom property called efVersion. I can check this
for every stack. On my web site, I upload the new stacks with the
version number as a part of the file name, so version 1.23 of the
efChart stack will be uploaded with the name "efChart.123.rev.gz". The
updater stack then checks the list of files on the FTP site and checks
the efVersion of the stacks it already has and downloads any that need
updating.

I have an uploading stack that sets the version property, cleans out
the development properties, compresses the stack, renames it and
uploads it.

Cheers,
Sarah


From soapdog at mac.com  Sat May 26 20:54:53 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 21:54:53 -0300
Subject: Stack version?
In-Reply-To: <5E9D51BA-0112-1000-BE36-1BC104393EF4-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
References: <5E9D51BA-0112-1000-BE36-1BC104393EF4-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C2814BA2-3051-4C0C-8817-B526CBDBDB60@mac.com>

Bill,

I use Magic Carpet by Altuit <http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/ 
MagicCarpetCover/default.htm>, this allows me to work in groups and  
maintain previous versions in sane places. Also I usually have a  
hidden field called "vers" in the stack that shows the version info  
if opened in the IDE.

most of my work is CGI and network related so having a field in a  
stack is no issue since the user will never see it.

Andre


On May 26, 2007, at 9:42 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:

> I was wondering how others deal with versionioning their stacks. I  
> don't mean the standalones which already have version information  
> but regular stacks.
>
> I have a stack that is opened by a standalone stub. The standalone  
> won't change much but the program stack that is opened will. I want  
> to be able to do updates from the Internet that essentially  
> replaces the stack.
>
> To do this I need to standardize on a way to code a version number  
> in the stack and then compare the version the user has with that on  
> the web server. If the web server version is newer I want to give  
> the user the ability to download the new version which would  
> replace the old version.
>
> I can come up with a way to do this but I'm pretty sure there are  
> more experienced Revolutionaries on this list have have thought  
> this over already.
>
> Bill Vlahos
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Sat May 26 21:21:02 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:21:02 -0700
Subject: Stack version?
In-Reply-To: <C2814BA2-3051-4C0C-8817-B526CBDBDB60@mac.com>
References: <5E9D51BA-0112-1000-BE36-1BC104393EF4-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
	<C2814BA2-3051-4C0C-8817-B526CBDBDB60@mac.com>
Message-ID: <90955A41-2C64-41C6-8231-40A7C28F9A00@cox.net>

> Bill, in my HC days, I made it a point to have a copyright field/ 
> announcement on the first card of every stack that I released to  
> others; that, when clicked on, provided an answer dialog with all  
> of my version info. Of course I wasn't distributing my stacks over  
> a very broad user base, and every time I made a modification to a  
> stack I updated the version number by merely command/shift/option/ 
> clicking on the copyright field. If the date was different than the  
> one stored in the field, the version number was incremented and the  
> date changed; otherwise it did nothing. If I wanted a major version  
> change I did that one by hand. Not very sophisticated, but it  
> worked well for me. Plus it was quite visible. If there were  
> multiple stacks involved, the change was scripted and posted to  
> them as well, though sometimes not visibly. This enabled me to do  
> lots of things, even checking on authorized (not licensed) users in  
> some cases.

Joe Wilkins

> On May 26, 2007, at 9:42 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:
>
>> I was wondering how others deal with versionioning their stacks. I  
>> don't mean the standalones which already have version information  
>> but regular stacks.
>>
>> I have a stack that is opened by a standalone stub. The standalone  
>> won't change much but the program stack that is opened will. I  
>> want to be able to do updates from the Internet that essentially  
>> replaces the stack.
>>
>> To do this I need to standardize on a way to code a version number  
>> in the stack and then compare the version the user has with that  
>> on the web server. If the web server version is newer I want to  
>> give the user the ability to download the new version which would  
>> replace the old version.
>>
>> I can come up with a way to do this but I'm pretty sure there are  
>> more experienced Revolutionaries on this list have have thought  
>> this over already.
>>
>> Bill Vlahos
>> _______________________________________________


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat May 26 21:31:51 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 18:31:51 -0700
Subject: Stack version?
Message-ID: <4658DF87.5060309@fourthworld.com>

Bill Vlahos wrote:
 > I was wondering how others deal with versionioning their stacks.
 > I don't mean the standalones which already have version information
 > but regular stacks.

The ECMI spec at the Rev Interoperability Project (RIP) has addressed this:

<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>


 > I have a stack that is opened by a standalone stub. The standalone
 > won't change much but the program stack that is opened will. I want
 > to be able to do updates from the Internet that essentially replaces
 > the stack.

There's also support for that sort of thing in the same RIP spec.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Sat May 26 22:14:47 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 21:14:47 -0500
Subject: Stack version?
In-Reply-To: <5E9D51BA-0112-1000-BE36-1BC104393EF4-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
References: <5E9D51BA-0112-1000-BE36-1BC104393EF4-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705261914h6fdd6258kb18657cc8328bdee@mail.gmail.com>

Bill,

You already have MagicCarpet, so you can use our system if you like.
Contact me offlist and I'll help.

best,
Chipp

On 5/26/07, Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com> wrote:
> I was wondering how others deal with versionioning their stacks. I don't mean the standalones which already have version information but regular stacks.
>
> I have a stack that is opened by a standalone stub. The standalone won't change much but the program stack that is opened will. I want to be able to do updates from the Internet that essentially replaces the stack.
>
> To do this I need to standardize on a way to code a version number in the stack and then compare the version the user has with that on the web server. If the web server version is newer I want to give the user the ability to download the new version which would replace the old version.
>
> I can come up with a way to do this but I'm pretty sure there are more experienced Revolutionaries on this list have have thought this over already.
>
> Bill Vlahos
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From rgould8 at aol.com  Sat May 26 22:34:54 2007
From: rgould8 at aol.com (rgould8 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 22:34:54 -0400
Subject: Trying to control OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer
Message-ID: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>

Say, I'm writing an app for a company that prints shipping paperwork on a 24-pin OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer.? I've started off by getting my hands on some working Excel spreadsheets that print to the printer, with the correct character positioning and spacing to fix exactly in the right spaces on the page printout.

My questions are:

1)? Is there a way I can somehow detect the character positioning that spits of out Excel, so that I can replicate it in Revolution and print to the printer?

and 

2)? I'm also toying with the idea of making the printout entirely web-browser based - - - if I did that, I'd still need to work on getting the exact character-positioning for the printer.? Any drawbacks?

and

3)? In the event that regular ol' HTML browser text doesn't work, anyone know of I can somehow dynamically create a PDF document from a web-server that could be printed that would do the same thing?



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From bvlahos at mac.com  Sat May 26 22:35:27 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:35:27 -0700
Subject: Stack version?
In-Reply-To: <C2814BA2-3051-4C0C-8817-B526CBDBDB60@mac.com>
References: <5E9D51BA-0112-1000-BE36-1BC104393EF4-Webmail-10025@mac.com>
	<C2814BA2-3051-4C0C-8817-B526CBDBDB60@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BA8C53BA-0112-1000-B726-DC8E4CB86FFA-Webmail-10006@mac.com>

I use Magic Carpet too and it is great.

However, this is something I want to make available to my users.

Bill 
On Saturday, May 26, 2007, at 05:55PM, "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>Bill,
>
>I use Magic Carpet by Altuit <http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/ 
>MagicCarpetCover/default.htm>, this allows me to work in groups and  
>maintain previous versions in sane places. Also I usually have a  
>hidden field called "vers" in the stack that shows the version info  
>if opened in the IDE.
>
>most of my work is CGI and network related so having a field in a  
>stack is no issue since the user will never see it.
>
>Andre
>
>
>On May 26, 2007, at 9:42 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote:
>
>> I was wondering how others deal with versionioning their stacks. I  
>> don't mean the standalones which already have version information  
>> but regular stacks.
>>
>> I have a stack that is opened by a standalone stub. The standalone  
>> won't change much but the program stack that is opened will. I want  
>> to be able to do updates from the Internet that essentially  
>> replaces the stack.
>>
>> To do this I need to standardize on a way to code a version number  
>> in the stack and then compare the version the user has with that on  
>> the web server. If the web server version is newer I want to give  
>> the user the ability to download the new version which would  
>> replace the old version.
>>
>> I can come up with a way to do this but I'm pretty sure there are  
>> more experienced Revolutionaries on this list have have thought  
>> this over already.
>>
>> Bill Vlahos
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Sat May 26 22:37:37 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 19:37:37 -0700
Subject: Stack version?
In-Reply-To: <4658DF87.5060309@fourthworld.com>
References: <4658DF87.5060309@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BA8C53BA-0112-1000-B736-DC8E4CB86FFA-Webmail-10006@mac.com>

 Richard,

That's great.

I don't seem to be able to see any files. Do I need to be a member to get at it (I really hate Yahoo Groups).

Bill

On Saturday, May 26, 2007, at 06:32PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>Bill Vlahos wrote:
> > I was wondering how others deal with versionioning their stacks.
> > I don't mean the standalones which already have version information
> > but regular stacks.
>
>The ECMI spec at the Rev Interoperability Project (RIP) has addressed this:
>
><http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>
>
>
> > I have a stack that is opened by a standalone stub. The standalone
> > won't change much but the program stack that is opened will. I want
> > to be able to do updates from the Internet that essentially replaces
> > the stack.
>
>There's also support for that sort of thing in the same RIP spec.
>
>-- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sat May 26 23:26:03 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 04:26:03 +0100
Subject: Abode Tools Died  -- > Back To RunRev!
In-Reply-To: <4658B589.000001.02452@MAZYTIS>
References: <465898CC.1040300@hindu.org> <4658B589.000001.02452@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <4B668E52-1AB6-43C4-827F-5686D6DCF3FA@maseurope.net>

This is really good - and really quite easy to do basic stuff with  
shell calls.
Thanks for posting it.

Best,

Mark

On 26 May 2007, at 23:32, Viktoras Didziulis wrote:

> ImageMagick
> http://www.imagemagick.org/script/index.php
>
> It would be nice to have a direct interface from Rev. However it is  
> also
> possible to use in batch mode and command line, accessible from  
> many other
> programing languages and environments (Perl, Python, etc...).
>
> All the best!
> Viktoras



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun May 27 02:23:41 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 23:23:41 -0700
Subject: Trying to control OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer
In-Reply-To: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@[192.168.1.103]>

Pour through the manual and see if you can find anything about how 
the printer uses tabs. Also try and select a monospaced font.

A Web browser would make a lousy print layout tool.

Your workflow description is not clear; what exactly are you trying 
to accomplish?



>Say, I'm writing an app for a company that prints shipping paperwork 
>on a 24-pin OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer.? I've started off by 
>getting my hands on some working Excel spreadsheets that print to 
>the printer, with the correct character positioning and spacing to 
>fix exactly in the right spaces on the page printout.
>
>My questions are:
>
>1)? Is there a way I can somehow detect the character positioning 
>that spits of out Excel, so that I can replicate it in Revolution 
>and print to the printer?
>
>and
>
>2)? I'm also toying with the idea of making the printout entirely 
>web-browser based - - - if I did that, I'd still need to work on 
>getting the exact character-positioning for the printer.? Any 
>drawbacks?
>
>and
>
>3)? In the event that regular ol' HTML browser text doesn't work, 
>anyone know of I can somehow dynamically create a PDF document from 
>a web-server that could be printed that would do the same thing?
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From klaus at major-k.de  Sun May 27 06:07:10 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:07:10 +0200
Subject: Abode Tools Died  -- > Back To RunRev!
In-Reply-To: <465898CC.1040300@hindu.org>
References: <465898CC.1040300@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4A972270-683C-4AE7-BDD4-65F5C897B098@major-k.de>

Hi Swami,

> It seems with the upgrade to CS3, as some are saying over at the  
> Adobe forums,
>
> "we have paid for a downgrade"
>
> Specifically, Adobe dropped ImageReady and it is no longer possible to
> create and share droplets for photo processing. Sure you can buy
> Fireworks and learn it's powerful batch processing methods, but
> then we would need to spend another $2,000 to purchase 20 seats
> just to let other process photos. (Photoshop's droplets, are still
> deficient... end of the actions will *not* let you over write  
> existing files
> without asking...)
>
> OK, so, I'm back to Revolution to do what I've wanted to do for years:
>
> Process the photos right inside Run Rev.
>
> Downsizing, rotating,  setting the image data of a new image to the  
> scaled image
> and saving as jpeg... all works fine...
>
> But, I would like to build into the process a few discreet filters
>
> I know about the macho photo processing stack that  I think
> (was it Klaus, or some other Big Rev Brain in Europe)  made

Thank you VERY much for flattering! :-)

But you surely mean Wilhelm Sanke's "Image filter Gallery" here:
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/index.html>

> but  the interface was a maze of things I would never use
> (I don't need to turn real photos into Van Gogh! however
> cool that might be...)
>
> What we need is to  extract specific filters as discreet tools.
> right now, all I want is:
> -- auto levels
> -- unsharp mask with a specific preset setting.
>
> Has anyone done that yet? Extracted such
> filters as discreet handlers?

Viktoras already told you about ImageMagick, which might be the
best tool for your needs, since Rev can easily be used to control
commandline tools in batchmode.

> Sivakatirswami
> www.himalayanacademy.com

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From rev at armbase.com  Sun May 27 06:35:51 2007
From: rev at armbase.com (Bob Hartley)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:35:51 +0100
Subject: Relative folder paths
Message-ID: <gemini.jip43r00658hc032g.rev@armbase.com>

On 26/05/2007 03:09:07, Bill Vlahos (bvlahos at mac.com) wrote:
> Richard,
> 
> This
> doesn't seem to do anything useful to me.
> 
> How would I get a list of files in the "DataFileFolder" and then get a
list of files in the "Preferences" folder?

Hi Billl

Have a look on  my rev user space under nijinsky (I need to reregister to
use this so I cant check myself (never understood this requirement from
within the IDE)> Anyway. If you cant  see it there go to
www.gla.ac.uk/~rh82p and look for Bob's file finder. This is posibly more
than you need but it should get you on the way.

It have a directory walk routine with filters for filetypes. For all
filessimply use *.*

Cheers
Bob
> 
> Bill
> 
> On Friday, May 25, 2007, at 05:17PM, "Richard Gaskin"
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> >Bill Vlahos wrote:
> >
> > > Lets say I have a folder containing a standalone, Data folder,
> > > and Preference folder all at the same level. The defaultFolder
> > > would be the folder at the level of the standalone.
> > >
> > > If I change the defaultFolder to "DataFileFolder" I can then
> > > just "put the files into vFilesList" to get a listing of the
> > > files. However, this resets the defaultFolder value so I can't
> > > get to things in the Preference folder.
> > >


From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 27 06:45:11 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:45:11 +0100
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <C27DD8EE.24924%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0705261216n359b3058j21674e5394f7e0b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<C27DD8EE.24924%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705270345y1df09e2aj36e5389ef0b63079@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmm.... Ill have to do another test - when I tried it last week it failed?

On 26/05/07, Dick Kriesel <dick.kriesel at mail.com> wrote:
>
>   put the id of it into tGroupID2



Will get back.


From david at openpartnership.net  Sun May 27 06:56:31 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:56:31 +0100
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <46589512.6090207@fourthworld.com>
References: <46589512.6090207@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705270356q55b44265r26b28774717e7d6@mail.gmail.com>

I agree Richard

On 26/05/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
>
> But while it could be easier, I haven't seen anything yet which makes
> such gadgets prohibitively difficult in Rev today.
>
> As one example I have a table object I use in a number of apps, and a
> couple other developers have used it in their work as well. (If my
> client work ever slows down enough I hope to get around to packaging
> that for public consumption).  I don't bother with IDs at all there,
> custom or otherwise.


I'd like a look Richard - I've been doing a little more work on tables and
the new array stuff from Rev help there.

By using properties to drive the control, the getProp and setProp
> handlers just refer to "the target" to find the object being acted on,
> so there's no need to hard-wire IDs anywhere in the scripts


I've found that I've had to be very careful about using "the target" for
groups that nest, and can share the same name> It only works in a general
case when you use "the long id of the target"

.This property-driven method also feels more or less "natural", given
> that most of the basic appearances and behaviors in Rev's own native
> controls are driven by properties.
>

Yes it would be great to be able to write your own global properties as well
as sometimes these make for a more consitent sytax than using function
calls.

I'm sure there are cases where writing hard-wired IDs in scripts could
> be useful, but I can't say I've ever needed to do so in my own work.


 Me neither - just trying to explore it - it would seem that if it is
possible for a group to refer to its own controls using "btn id latID of me"
syntax - this would be better than the alternatives as it would allow the
end user to rename things?


From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Sun May 27 07:44:42 2007
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 07:44:42 EDT
Subject: Ask & Answer
Message-ID: <cf8.e9c242d.338ac92a@aol.com>

Hi everyone,

I put the following script in the button of another stack.

on mouseUp
 show stack "Test"
 modeless stack "Test"
 toplevel stack "Test"
 beep
end mouseUp

I thought the beep shouldn?t sound in this case, but it does. I?m trying to 
make my own custom ask and answer dialog boxes in a separate stack. I want the 
beep to sound after I?m finished with stack ?Test?. Obviously, I?m going 
about this wrong.

I never leave the IDE and I?m on Mac OSX.

Joe


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From bvg at mac.com  Sun May 27 08:39:15 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 14:39:15 +0200
Subject: Ask & Answer
In-Reply-To: <cf8.e9c242d.338ac92a@aol.com>
References: <cf8.e9c242d.338ac92a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <b982e25e93bab2d3dd19ff5ae69fc736@mac.com>

You want "modal" not "modeless". But before you do that, make sure that 
there is a button on your "test" stack that closes it, otherwise you're 
stuck.

On 27 May 2007, at 13:44, LunchnMeets at aol.com wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I put the following script in the button of another stack.
>
> on mouseUp
>  show stack "Test"
>  modeless stack "Test"
>  toplevel stack "Test"
>  beep
> end mouseUp
>
> I thought the beep shouldn?t sound in this case, but it does. I?m 
> trying to
> make my own custom ask and answer dialog boxes in a separate stack. I 
> want the
> beep to sound after I?m finished with stack ?Test?. Obviously, I?m 
> going
> about this wrong.
>
> I never leave the IDE and I?m on Mac OSX.
>
> Joe
>
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun May 27 10:19:35 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:19:35 +0200
Subject: How to dismiss a modal dialog (was: Re: Ask & Answer)
In-Reply-To: <b982e25e93bab2d3dd19ff5ae69fc736@mac.com>
References: <cf8.e9c242d.338ac92a@aol.com>
	<b982e25e93bab2d3dd19ff5ae69fc736@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C822123A-609F-4295-99BD-184992BC3CBA@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Bj?rnke,

You can always use the IDE contextual menu (ctrl+ shift click on Win  
and Command+ctrl+ shift click on Mac) and toplevel the window by  
changing its style in this menu.
So you are never stuck :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Le 27 mai 07 ? 14:39, Bj?rnke von Gierke a ?crit :

> You want "modal" not "modeless". But before you do that, make sure  
> that there is a button on your "test" stack that closes it,  
> otherwise you're stuck.
>
> On 27 May 2007, at 13:44, LunchnMeets at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I put the following script in the button of another stack.
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>  show stack "Test"
>>  modeless stack "Test"
>>  toplevel stack "Test"
>>  beep
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> I thought the beep shouldn?t sound in this case, but it does. I?m  
>> trying to
>> make my own custom ask and answer dialog boxes in a separate  
>> stack. I want the
>> beep to sound after I?m finished with stack ?Test?. Obviously, I?m  
>> going
>> about this wrong.
>>
>> I never leave the IDE and I?m on Mac OSX.
>>
>> Joe

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From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Sun May 27 11:01:18 2007
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:01:18 EDT
Subject: How to dismiss a modal dialog (was: Re: Ask & Answer)
Message-ID: <bbf.f4890cd.338af73e@aol.com>

Hi again everyone,

OK, so I?ve created a modal stack that ignores everything else. That?s good. 
Now how do I transfer data from that modal stack to the continuing script 
that opened the modal stack? Maybe dialogData has something to do with that but I 
don?t understand that command.

Joe


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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Sun May 27 11:02:03 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:02:03 +0200
Subject: How to rotate an oval graphic ?
Message-ID: <46599D68.5E4F3BD2@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,,

I've tried every possible way to do that, but no luck...
Any help would be greatly apreciated...

Thanks in advance,
JB



From klaus at major-k.de  Sun May 27 11:12:36 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:12:36 +0200
Subject: How to dismiss a modal dialog (was: Re: Ask & Answer)
In-Reply-To: <bbf.f4890cd.338af73e@aol.com>
References: <bbf.f4890cd.338af73e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9061AE2B-908A-44D5-A072-69EBCBC883F8@major-k.de>

Hi Joe,

> Hi again everyone,
>
> OK, so I?ve created a modal stack that ignores everything else.  
> That?s good.
> Now how do I transfer data from that modal stack to the continuing  
> script
> that opened the modal stack? Maybe dialogData has something to do  
> with that but I
> don?t understand that command.

"the dialogdata" is a built-in global variable, so no need to declare  
it.

In your modal stack you can fill this variable when closing the modal  
stack
and tehn retireve this variable in the following lines of your script.

Example:
In your modal stack "yourmodalstack" you have a field "field 1" where  
the user can enter something.
Then you can put this into your "OK" (or whatever button closes your  
modal stack) button script:

on mouseup
   set the dialogdata to fld "field 1"
   close this stack
end mouseup


In your script that opens the modal stack:

on mouseUp
   modal stack "yourmodalstack"
   ## now you can check "the dialogdata"
  answer the dialogdata
  ## or whatever...
end mouseUp

You get the picture .-)

> Joe

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From tn at nul.se  Sun May 27 11:13:06 2007
From: tn at nul.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F6rn_Nordlindh?=)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:13:06 +0200
Subject: Character set conversion from/to MySQL
Message-ID: <6CF8CE88-D745-43C4-AE3C-3F4215F60A78@nul.se>

Hi,

I'm going to make a database browser/editor for my MySQL databases.

All my MySQL databases and tables are set up to use UTF-8 only. Still  
everything is delivered in ISO-8859-1 when I read data into  
Revolution (2.8.1).

I can't find how to tell Revolution what character set it should use  
in communication with MySQL.

Right now I have to do something like this:

if the platform contains "Mac" then
     put ISOToMac(theText) into theText
end if

and the opposite before I want to write to the database.

I expected the database driver to follow the character set as defined  
in MySQL field, table or database.


Torbj?rn



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun May 27 11:14:39 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:14:39 +0200
Subject: How to dismiss a modal dialog (was: Re: Ask & Answer)
In-Reply-To: <bbf.f4890cd.338af73e@aol.com>
References: <bbf.f4890cd.338af73e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <64531F65-7F27-49B3-9567-543F46DE5A8E@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Joe,

Le 27 mai 07 ? 17:01, LunchnMeets at aol.com a ?crit :

> OK, so I?ve created a modal stack that ignores everything else.  
> That?s good.
> Now how do I transfer data from that modal stack to the continuing  
> script
> that opened the modal stack? Maybe dialogData has something to do  
> with that but I
> don?t understand that command.

DialogData is not a command but a property that can be considered as  
a global property since you may change its contents from any script.
For instance:

put "OK" into tBtn1
put "Cancel" into tBtn2
put "Are we going to the cellar?" into tPrompt
set the dialogData to tBtn1 & cr & tBtn2 & cr & tPrompt
modal stack "MyAsnwer" -- this will trigger preOpenStack in MyAnwser:  
see below
if the dialogData then doAction -- see btn scripts below that have  
changed the contents of the dialogData in the meantime :-)
etc.

on preOpenStack
   set the label of btn "OK" to line 1 of the dialogData
   set the label of btn "Cancel" to line 2 of the dialogData
   put line 3 of the dialogData into fld "Prompt"
   -- your dialog is now customized
   etc.

on mouseUp -- btn "Cancel"
   set the dialogData to false
   close this stack
end mouseUp

on mouseUp -- btn "OK"
   set the dialogData to true
   close this stack
end mouseUp

Hope this helps
Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From mail at richard-hillen.de  Sun May 27 11:22:43 2007
From: mail at richard-hillen.de (R. Hillen)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:22:43 +0200
Subject: OSAX: Scripting Additions OSX
Message-ID: <A5B7B594-640B-4A94-B1E9-95FBB73EFDB7@richard-hillen.de>

Hello list,

there are AppleScript scripting-additions called "OSAX", XMAIL.osax  
for instance; is it possible to use OSAXes from Revolution on OSX  
(and how)?

Thank you for your help.
Richard


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun May 27 12:08:58 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:08:58 +0200
Subject: OSAX: Scripting Additions OSX
In-Reply-To: <A5B7B594-640B-4A94-B1E9-95FBB73EFDB7@richard-hillen.de>
References: <A5B7B594-640B-4A94-B1E9-95FBB73EFDB7@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <D7373BA6-2008-4B49-877E-7298C36ADA57@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richard,

You can use OSAXen exactly the same way you do with AppleScript. They  
have to be installed to be available.

Best,

Mark

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Op 27-mei-2007, om 17:22 heeft R. Hillen het volgende geschreven:

> Hello list,
>
> there are AppleScript scripting-additions called "OSAX", XMAIL.osax  
> for instance; is it possible to use OSAXes from Revolution on OSX  
> (and how)?
>
> Thank you for your help.
> Richard




From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sun May 27 12:21:27 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:21:27 +0200
Subject: Error in docs about "file creation date"
Message-ID: <FB3965E9-37F8-43F5-A95E-EC843B5728A8@ezpzapps.com>

> On 23 May 2007, at 09:17, Ian Wood wrote:
>
> Obviously this isn't a problem for images that have been 'saved as'  
> with the EXIF data stripped out because they will have a new valid  
> creation date being new files, but people do it to original files  
> as well (or copies if they know what's good for them...).


Not exactly what you are looking for perhaps, but you might find this  
interesting...

You can shell mdfind & mdls via a Rev application and get lots of  
info *if* the metadata is available.

I used Rev to grab this metadata  from an image Cloe's camera took.
Ummm... she's never set the date/time in the camera
-----------------

/Users/jimsims/Pictures/images_/sims_Rome.JPG -------------
AcquisitionMake         = "FUJIFILM"
AcquisitionModel        = "FinePix F10    "
Aperture                = 4.6
AttributeChangeDate     = 2007-03-21 07:08:12 +0100
BitsPerSample           = 32
ColorSpace              = "RGB"
ContentCreationDate     = 1904-01-01 01:00:00 +0100
ContentModificationDate = 2006-05-26 02:53:17 +0200
ContentType             = "public.jpeg"
ContentTypeTree         = ("public.jpeg", "public.image",  
"public.data", "public.item", "public.content")
Creator                 = "Digital Camera FinePix F10     Ver1.02"
DisplayName             = "sims_Rome.JPG"
EXIFVersion             = "2.2"
ExposureMode            = 0
ExposureTimeSeconds     = 0.001818182
FlashOnOff              = 1
FocalLength             = 8
ContentChangeDate     = 2006-05-26 02:53:17 +0200
CreationDate          = 2006-05-26 02:53:17 +0200
CreatorCode           = 0
FinderFlags           = 0
Invisible             = 0
IsExtensionHidden     = 0
Label                 = 0
Name                  = "sims_Rome.JPG"
NodeCount             = 0
OwnerGroupID          = 501
OwnerUserID           = 501
Size                  = 1635497
TypeCode              = 0
HasAlphaChannel         = 0
ID                      = 5352438
Kind                    = "JPEG Image"
LastUsedDate            = 2007-03-21 07:08:12 +0100
Orientation             = 1
PixelHeight             = 2136
PixelWidth              = 2848
RedEyeOnOff             = 0
ResolutionHeightDPI     = 72
ResolutionWidthDPI      = 72
UsedDates               = (
     2006-05-26 02:53:17 +0200,
     2006-06-05 02:00:00 +0200,
     2006-06-06 02:00:00 +0200,
     2007-03-21 01:00:00 +0100
)
WhiteBalance            = 0


Jim Sims
Custom Software Development
www.EZPZapps.com




From mark at maseurope.net  Sun May 27 12:35:12 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:35:12 +0100
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
Message-ID: <84AE3765-BE83-4D19-8F6A-7B97F93474FC@maseurope.net>

I've got a new version of id3lib working that writes id3 tags as well  
as reads them.

It doesn't yet have all the features that I want it to, but the basic  
writing of text frames is covered, and support for picture and  
comment frames is coming 'rsn'.

You can download it from

http://www.futility.co.uk/futsoft/revolutionstuff.html


All comments, curses, suggestions and advice welcome.

Best,

Mark


From klaus at major-k.de  Sun May 27 12:38:50 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:38:50 +0200
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
In-Reply-To: <84AE3765-BE83-4D19-8F6A-7B97F93474FC@maseurope.net>
References: <84AE3765-BE83-4D19-8F6A-7B97F93474FC@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <068CAE53-FA60-49F4-85E7-0539A1D5C4F6@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> I've got a new version of id3lib working that writes id3 tags as  
> well as reads them.
> It doesn't yet have all the features that I want it to, but the  
> basic writing of text frames is covered, and support for picture  
> and comment frames is coming 'rsn'.
> You can download it from
> http://www.futility.co.uk/futsoft/revolutionstuff.html
> All comments, curses, suggestions and advice welcome.

thank you very much, this is a wonderful and very useful stack!

> Best,
>
> Mark

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sun May 27 13:21:04 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 13:21:04 -0400
Subject: Character set conversion from/to MySQL
In-Reply-To: <6CF8CE88-D745-43C4-AE3C-3F4215F60A78@nul.se>
Message-ID: <C27F3640.33AA6%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Check out Trevor's library of database functions for this as I remember
seeing lots of UTF conversion functions there that I ignored.


On 5/27/07 11:13 AM, "Torbj?rn Nordlindh" <tn at nul.se> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm going to make a database browser/editor for my MySQL databases.
> 
> All my MySQL databases and tables are set up to use UTF-8 only. Still
> everything is delivered in ISO-8859-1 when I read data into
> Revolution (2.8.1).
> 
> I can't find how to tell Revolution what character set it should use
> in communication with MySQL.
> 
> Right now I have to do something like this:
> 
> if the platform contains "Mac" then
>      put ISOToMac(theText) into theText
> end if
> 
> and the opposite before I want to write to the database.
> 
> I expected the database driver to follow the character set as defined
> in MySQL field, table or database.
> 
> 
> Torbj?rn
> 
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From rgould8 at aol.com  Sun May 27 14:55:57 2007
From: rgould8 at aol.com (rgould8 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 14:55:57 -0400
Subject: Trying to control OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>


 Well, what I'm trying to do is create a tool that allows a shipping company to print their shipping forms, but use data from a host-based database.

I would have thought that Microsoft Excel would be a lousey print-formatting tool too, but somehow they use it.? If I can create a tool that can do this and bypass Excel, then it's a win-win.

The goal would be to allow a user to enter data via a nice GUI front-end, and then allow the user to select that data record at any point in time and print the shipping form to the dot-matrix printer.


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com>
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sun, 27 May 2007 1:23 am
Subject: Re: Trying to control OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer









Pour through the manual and see if you can find anything about how 
the printer uses tabs. Also try and select a monospaced font.?
?

A Web browser would make a lousy print layout tool.?
?

Your workflow description is not clear; what exactly are you trying 
to accomplish??
?

?

>Say, I'm writing an app for a company that prints shipping paperwork 
>on a 24-pin OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer.? I've started off by 
>getting my hands on some working Excel spreadsheets that print to 
>the printer, with the correct character positioning and spacing to 
>fix exactly in the right spaces on the page printout.?

>?

>My questions are:?

>?

>1)? Is there a way I can somehow detect the character positioning 
>that spits of out Excel, so that I can replicate it in Revolution 
>and print to the printer??

>?

>and?

>?

>2)? I'm also toying with the idea of making the printout entirely 
>web-browser based - - - if I did that, I'd still need to work on 
>getting the exact character-positioning for the printer.? Any 
>drawbacks??

>?

>and?

>?

>3)? In the event that regular ol' HTML browser text doesn't work, 
>anyone know of I can somehow dynamically create a PDF document from 
>a web-server that could be printed that would do the same thing??

>?
?

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From bvlahos at mac.com  Sun May 27 18:37:16 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 15:37:16 -0700
Subject: Compact Stack
Message-ID: <4366C2B9-0112-1000-CA39-2D52DECBC564-Webmail-10025@mac.com>

The dictionary entry for compact stack says it is used to reclaim space when a card is deleted. I'll be making plenty of changes to the content of data stacks but won't be changed the number of cards in them.

Is this function only usefull for card deletions or is it also generally useful for other types of changes?

Bill Vlahos


From Jacques.Hausser at unil.ch  Sun May 27 18:37:24 2007
From: Jacques.Hausser at unil.ch (Jacques Hausser)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 00:37:24 +0200
Subject: How to rotate an oval graphic ?
In-Reply-To: <20070527170005.A469F48907F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070527170005.A469F48907F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <71AA17A2-4E16-4C26-A057-5089705DDA7B@unil.ch>

>
> Hi list,,
>
> I've tried every possible way to do that, but no luck...
> Any help would be greatly apreciated...
>
> Thanks in advance,
> JB

Hi JB

Would be nice actually...
I had the same problem, and I made my oval
myself, on a preexisting graphic, style polygon (which can be rotated)
something like:

on ellipse a,b,alpha
   put the loc of graphic "Ellipse" into laloc
   repeat with i = 0 to 180
     put round(a*sin(2*i*pi/180)), round(b*cos(2*i*pi/180)) into line  
i of thepoints
   end repeat
   set the points of graphic "Ellipse" to thepoints
   set the loc of graphic "Ellipse" to laloc
   revrotatepoly the name of graphic "ellipse",alpha
end ellipse

a and b are half the length of each axes (x and y axes before  
rotation), alpha is the rotation angle.
I tried several number of points i (from 90 to 720) to avoid jagged  
borders, but the result is not fully convincing...

good luck anyway !

Jacques

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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun May 27 19:07:43 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 09:07:43 +1000
Subject: Problems extracting files from a zip archive
Message-ID: <f99b52860705271607h58848faew415ec474354baec2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I've been experimenting with the revZip commands, mostly successfully.
However I have found that once a zip archive file has been edited
either by adding or deleting a file, I am unable to extract any files
from it, either to a file or to a variable,

Extracting to a file creates the file OK, but it is empty and then I
just get spodded and have to force-quit Rev. Extracting to a variable
gives a rather strange 'error': "ziperr,No error" and returns an empty
variable.

It works fine if I just create a new archive file either using the
standard OS X "Create Archive" or using the revZip commands, but if I
later add a file or delete a file, then the archive no longer allows
me to extract anything. Trying to open it in Finder gives the error
"Unable to unarchive "Archive.zip" into "Desktop". (Error 2 - No such
file or directory.)"

Oddly enough, I use exactly the same script to add files initially as
to add them later, so it works fine if the file is empty, but not if
the file already contains anything. I use "revZipAddItemWithFile" to
add files and "revZipDeleteItem" to delete files, opening & closing
the archive each time. Neither of these commands gives any error, but
they corrupt the archive. I can still use "revZipEnumerateItems" to
see what is in the archive.

One further clue is that whenever I add or delete items to or from an
existing archive file, the file size reduces to a ridiculous number.
e.g. i I have a 30K zip file and add  10 K file, the resulting zip
file drops to 1.6K. If I have the sme 30K file and delete a 1K file,
the size drops to 700 bytes.

Unless anyone has any suggestions, I'll bugzilla this one.

Cheers,
Sarah


From scott at cdroo.com  Sun May 27 22:36:11 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:36:11 +1000
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
References: <84AE3765-BE83-4D19-8F6A-7B97F93474FC@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <00b301c7a0d0$f6885500$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Mark Smith" <mark at maseurope.net>

> I've got a new version of id3lib working that writes id3 tags as well  as 
> reads them.
>
> It doesn't yet have all the features that I want it to, but the basic 
> writing of text frames is covered, and support for picture and  comment 
> frames is coming 'rsn'.

Mark, this is extremely good, thank you for making it available!

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  &Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come."  Victor Hugo



From tn at nul.se  Sun May 27 23:22:04 2007
From: tn at nul.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Torbj=F6rn_Nordlindh?=)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 05:22:04 +0200
Subject: Character set conversion from/to MySQL
In-Reply-To: <C27F3640.33AA6%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <C27F3640.33AA6%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <7F5973A1-2800-47A5-9DDB-1C9EA677C410@nul.se>

On 2007-05-27 19:21+02:00 Bill wrote:

> Check out Trevor's library of database functions for this as I  
> remember
> seeing lots of UTF conversion functions there that I ignored.

I have, and it works with some tweaking but it seems to be even more  
overhead compared to what I've already done.

What I wanted to know was if there was a way to make the built-in  
MySQL drivers to either use the character encoding specified in the  
database or to use a specific encoding defined when opening the  
database connection.

Another thing I don't understand, is why Revolution is using native  
character encoding and tries to convert field content between  
platforms. Why not use Unicode all the way through?

It also seems like when I set the unicodeText of a field, Revolution  
translates it into native code and puts that into the visible part of  
the field. Maybe I've got that wrong?

The reason for all this is that I want my application to handle any  
character without transation back and forth between different  
encodings because all encodings does not have every character and  
there is a risk of characters getting replaced or even lost.

Torbj?rn



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun May 27 23:45:12 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:45:12 -0700
Subject: Stack version?
Message-ID: <465A5048.1030003@fourthworld.com>

Bill Vlahos wrote:

 > On Saturday, May 26, 2007, at 06:32PM, "Richard Gaskin" wrote:
 >>Bill Vlahos wrote:
 >> > I was wondering how others deal with versionioning their stacks.
 >> > I don't mean the standalones which already have version information
 >> > but regular stacks.
 >>
 >>The ECMI spec at the Rev Interoperability Project (RIP) has
 >> addressed this:
 >><http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>
 >>
 >> > I have a stack that is opened by a standalone stub. The standalone
 >> > won't change much but the program stack that is opened will. I want
 >> > to be able to do updates from the Internet that essentially
 >> > replaces the stack.
 >>
 >>There's also support for that sort of thing in the same RIP spec.
 >
 > I don't seem to be able to see any files. Do I need to be a member to
 > get at it (I really hate Yahoo Groups).

Sorry to hear that.  They're free, take less than a minute to subscribe 
to, and once you're subscribed there are more than a dozen Rev- and 
XTalk-related lists there at Yahoo.  Many find it worth the minute for 
the free sign-up.

As an additional convenience I also provide a RIP mirror at revJournal:
<http://www.revjournal.com/features/rip/>

The revJournal mirror isn't complete and does suffer from a lag time in 
which the files there may not always be the most recent.  Anyone who 
wants to volunteer to maintain that mirror, or any other part of 
revJournal, is welcome to.

-- 
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  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun May 27 23:52:22 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 20:52:22 -0700
Subject: altID
Message-ID: <465A51F6.7050002@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:
>> By using properties to drive the control, the getProp and setProp
>> handlers just refer to "the target" to find the object being acted on,
>> so there's no need to hard-wire IDs anywhere in the scripts
>
> I've found that I've had to be very careful about using "the target" for
> groups that nest, and can share the same name> It only works in a general
> case when you use "the long id of the target"

Same here -- works a treat in every case I've needed it.

>> I'm sure there are cases where writing hard-wired IDs in scripts could
>> be useful, but I can't say I've ever needed to do so in my own work.
> 
>  Me neither - just trying to explore it - it would seem that if it is
> possible for a group to refer to its own controls using "btn id latID of me"
> syntax - this would be better than the alternatives as it would allow the
> end user to rename things?

If you're referring to sub-components within a group which is acting as 
a custom control, do you really want users to be able to rename those? 
If there's a need, would it make more sense to do so as a property 
setting of the containing group, where it could be managed?

As for the "custom control" group itself, yes, it should be renamable, 
and that should be easy to accommodate.

-- 
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  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Mon May 28 03:49:13 2007
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 01:49:13 -0600
Subject: External Writing Help
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0705280049s7de621a7ief550c2bb0f3a3e9@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,
  I am trying to get my feet wet with writing externals for Revolution, and
I must admit I am a little stuck.  I read the newsletter articles on writing
externals, and found them extremely helpful.  However, I only have a very
basic understanding of C++ and I need some help.  There is a framework I
would like to use that would enable me to communicate with a Bluetooth
device, but it is written in Objective-C.  From the newsletter, I only have
the C++ "glue" code that allows the external to bind with Revolution.  Is
there an Objective-C build environment I can use, or is it possible to
invoke the functions in the Objective-C framework from my C++ code?  This is
for OS X, and I am using XCode.  I am in above my head, and any help would
be greatly appreciated.

   Thank You,
     Bridger Maxwell
     www.FieryFerret.com


From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Mon May 28 06:04:14 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:04:14 +0200
Subject: How to open web pages in the default browser ?
Message-ID: <465AA91D.6984CCB4@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

I have a button on a Rev stack, and when users click that button,
an online webpage is supposed to open in the default browser
window (on Windows). How can this be done ? via a shell
command ? if yes, which one ?

Thanks in advance,
JB



From klaus at major-k.de  Mon May 28 06:12:44 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:12:44 +0200
Subject: How to open web pages in the default browser ?
In-Reply-To: <465AA91D.6984CCB4@club-internet.fr>
References: <465AA91D.6984CCB4@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <1B03CAF1-6D6B-4D33-AF9F-CF9E97CF0FB1@major-k.de>

Hi JB (Jim Beam? ;-),

> Hi list,
>
> I have a button on a Rev stack, and when users click that button,
> an online webpage is supposed to open in the default browser
> window (on Windows). How can this be done ? via a shell
> command ? if yes, which one ?

That's pretty easy:

revgourl "http://XXXX.XXX.COM"

:-)

> Thanks in advance,
> JB

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From scott at cdroo.com  Mon May 28 06:15:42 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:15:42 +1000
Subject: How to open web pages in the default browser ?
References: <465AA91D.6984CCB4@club-internet.fr>
	<1B03CAF1-6D6B-4D33-AF9F-CF9E97CF0FB1@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <011101c7a111$27fd5be0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Klaus Major" <klaus at major-k.de>

> That's pretty easy:
>
> revgourl "http://XXXX.XXX.COM"

So is the default email client:

revgourl  "mailto:scott at cdroo.com?"

or even

revgourl "mailto:scott at cdroo.com?Subject=Hello World"

etc

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  &Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come."  Victor Hugo 



From scott at cdroo.com  Mon May 28 06:20:16 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:20:16 +1000
Subject: How to open web pages in the default browser ?
References: <465AA91D.6984CCB4@club-internet.fr><1B03CAF1-6D6B-4D33-AF9F-CF9E97CF0FB1@major-k.de>
	<011101c7a111$27fd5be0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <011601c7a111$cbb4fae0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> revgourl  "mailto:scott at cdroo.com?"

My bad.  There should not be a quesiton mark [?] in that first one.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a 
little way past them into the impossible."
Arthur C Clarke 



From klaus at major-k.de  Mon May 28 06:24:16 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:24:16 +0200
Subject: How to open web pages in the default browser ?
In-Reply-To: <011101c7a111$27fd5be0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <465AA91D.6984CCB4@club-internet.fr>
	<1B03CAF1-6D6B-4D33-AF9F-CF9E97CF0FB1@major-k.de>
	<011101c7a111$27fd5be0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <4D361FC1-C4CE-4E7D-B3C0-132A357E7C6C@major-k.de>

Hi Scott

> From: "Klaus Major" <klaus at major-k.de>
>
>> That's pretty easy:
>> revgourl "http://XXXX.XXX.COM"
>
> So is the default email client:
> revgourl  "mailto:scott at cdroo.com?"
>
> or even
> revgourl "mailto:scott at cdroo.com?Subject=Hello World"

Or even shorter:

revmail "scott at cdroo.com"

:-)

> etc
>
> Scott Kane
> CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  &Original Game and Royalty Free Multi- 
> Media Music
> "Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come."  Victor Hugo

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Mon May 28 06:28:03 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:28:03 +0200
Subject: How to open web pages in the default browser ?
References: <465AA91D.6984CCB4@club-internet.fr>
	<1B03CAF1-6D6B-4D33-AF9F-CF9E97CF0FB1@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <465AAEB2.C21A9EFC@club-internet.fr>



Klaus,

>
> That's pretty easy:
>
> revgourl "http://XXXX.XXX.COM"
>
> :-)

Of course !

I spend so much time with cgi, javascript and other stuff that I sometimes
forget how simple things can be in Rev...

Thanks a bunch,
JB



From scott at cdroo.com  Mon May 28 06:49:30 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:49:30 +1000
Subject: How to open web pages in the default browser ?
References: <465AA91D.6984CCB4@club-internet.fr><1B03CAF1-6D6B-4D33-AF9F-CF9E97CF0FB1@major-k.de><011101c7a111$27fd5be0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<4D361FC1-C4CE-4E7D-B3C0-132A357E7C6C@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <011f01c7a115$e13599c0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> Or even shorter:
>
> revmail "scott at cdroo.com"

Yep.  Though I tend to type them implicit as my tired old eyes can see the 
code better.  :-)

Best

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
What a waste of thumbs that are opposable
to make machines that are disposable  -Ani DiFranco 



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Mon May 28 06:53:41 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 11:53:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: "Around the house with RR"
Message-ID: <149317.1290.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I recently put together a program for children to
practise the past forms of the verb to "BE":

programmed it in 2.8.1 RC,

saved it in legacy format,

took it downstairs (to my schoolroom) to build with RR
2.2.1 Linux,

the file made RR 2.2.1 try to download engines for Mac
OS and Windows! and, because it could not download
those engines did not build the desired Linux
standalone.

went upstairs again and went back to original fle in
2.8.1 and opened the StandaloneSettings window;

unchecked Mac OS and Windows builds,

resaved in legacy format,
took it downstairs and built a standalone with no
trouble at all.

SO . . .

obviously RR 2.8.1 stores information related to
projected / potential standalone builds in the
individual stack.

Pretty Crummy!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon May 28 07:05:14 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:05:14 +0100
Subject: "Around the house with RR"
In-Reply-To: <149317.1290.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <149317.1290.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FF1DA6BF-D7A0-4E6B-B01F-FE0487C94CB3@azurevision.co.uk>


On 28 May 2007, at 11:53, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> obviously RR 2.8.1 stores information related to
> projected / potential standalone builds in the
> individual stack.
>
> Pretty Crummy!

I must be missing something, or you missed something out of your  
description. Why is it crummy to save settings in the stack file?

If the settings weren't saved in the stack file you'd have to re- 
enter all the settings whenever you moved a stack from one computer  
to another.
Given the number of times I copy stacks around between two computers  
and a copy of Parallels this would be an absolute nightmare.

Ian


From scott at cdroo.com  Mon May 28 07:14:34 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:14:34 +1000
Subject: "Around the house with RR"
References: <149317.1290.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<FF1DA6BF-D7A0-4E6B-B01F-FE0487C94CB3@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <012601c7a119$61cd7e60$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Ian Wood" <revlist at azurevision.co.uk>

> If the settings weren't saved in the stack file you'd have to re- enter 
> all the settings whenever you moved a stack from one computer  to another. 
> Given the number of times I copy stacks around between two computers  and 
> a copy of Parallels this would be an absolute nightmare.

I'd have to agree with Ian.  I certainly would not want Rev to dump the 
standalone settings.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"In painting a tiger you can paint the skin, but not the bones."  Confucius 



From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Mon May 28 07:14:50 2007
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 07:14:50 EDT
Subject: In Appreciation
Message-ID: <bc1.145b0d37.338c13aa@aol.com>

Hi Everyone,

I sincerely apologize for taking advantage of Eric, Klaus, Jacque, Ian and 
the other people that have enriched my runrev experience. Without your generous 
and unselfish assistance I could have easily given up in this wonderful 
program. As is usual, with any group such as this one, there is always a small core 
group of people that devote a disproportionate effort to making it a success. 
Then there the others such as myself that constantly take advantage of them. 
In my experience there aren?t many software applications that have experts like 
this that all of us depend on so much. I really appreciate their invaluable 
continuing help and I have been remiss in not saying so in the past. Please 
keep up the good work.

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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon May 28 07:32:04 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:32:04 +0200
Subject: In Appreciation
In-Reply-To: <bc1.145b0d37.338c13aa@aol.com>
References: <bc1.145b0d37.338c13aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <15F78C78-C40C-4A78-A51B-59A9718C5EA1@major-k.de>

Hi Joe,

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I sincerely apologize for taking advantage of Eric, Klaus, Jacque,  
> Ian and
> the other people that have enriched my runrev experience. Without  
> your generous
> and unselfish assistance I could have easily given up in this  
> wonderful
> program. As is usual, with any group such as this one, there is  
> always a small core
> group of people that devote a disproportionate effort to making it  
> a success.
> Then there the others such as myself that constantly take advantage  
> of them.
> In my experience there aren?t many software applications that have  
> experts like
> this that all of us depend on so much. I really appreciate their  
> invaluable
> continuing help and I have been remiss in not saying so in the  
> past. Please
> keep up the good work.
>
> Joe

It's all in a day's work for Confuse-a-Cat erm.. I mean a Rev Pro :-)


Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon May 28 07:38:34 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:38:34 +0100
Subject: In Appreciation
In-Reply-To: <15F78C78-C40C-4A78-A51B-59A9718C5EA1@major-k.de>
References: <bc1.145b0d37.338c13aa@aol.com>
	<15F78C78-C40C-4A78-A51B-59A9718C5EA1@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <44B8691B-265D-44D5-9258-10484FAE3A50@azurevision.co.uk>


On 28 May 2007, at 12:32, Klaus Major wrote:

>> Please keep up the good work.
>
> It's all in a day's work for Confuse-a-Cat erm.. I mean a Rev Pro :-)

I was a bit surprised to see my name in that list, but a huge chunk  
of my Rev skills come from the list - it's only polite to contribute  
back to it when posssible... :-)

Ian


From programmer711 at gmail.com  Mon May 28 08:46:59 2007
From: programmer711 at gmail.com (Brad Sampson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 06:46:59 -0600
Subject: How to rotate an oval graphic ?
In-Reply-To: <46599D68.5E4F3BD2@club-internet.fr>
References: <46599D68.5E4F3BD2@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <72bdb4b20705280546s2ce820a5n90e352e9db9ae944@mail.gmail.com>

You could always make a script that screenshots your oval, then
rotates the image and puts that on top of the oval.
Ok, just kidding, maybe that's not the most practical...
Brad


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Mon May 28 09:13:17 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 14:13:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject: "Around the house with RR"
Message-ID: <990218.54927.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The point of my message is that when I discovered that
my stack had been set to build Mac OS and Windows
standalones those were not settings I had set for that
specific stack, but settings for a thing I was using
for beta-testing. In fact, as I intended to buiold for
Linux on the Linux boxes themselves, I had made a
point of not opening the standalone settings as I
could see no reason to. Once installed on the Linux
boxes and opened in RR 2.2.1 I would build my
Linux-only standalones.

Therefore RR 2.8.1 had just transferred settings
across to my new stack. This sounds a bit like all
those other software companies who assume they know
what is best for their clients

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon May 28 09:56:10 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 14:56:10 +0100
Subject: "Around the house with RR"
In-Reply-To: <990218.54927.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <990218.54927.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <028F4042-3885-45E3-B3F2-81AE7223649D@azurevision.co.uk>

Rev (on OS X and presumably on Windows) has defaulted to 'build for  
OS X & Win' in the standalone settings since the start of the 2.7  
cycle. No transferral of settings between stacks going on, just the  
default settings for new stacks.

I can understand those defaults being annoying, especially as there  
doesn't seem to be a setting the prefs to change it.

Ian


On 28 May 2007, at 14:13, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Therefore RR 2.8.1 had just transferred settings
> across to my new stack. This sounds a bit like all
> those other software companies who assume they know
> what is best for their clients



From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon May 28 10:34:39 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 07:34:39 -0700
Subject: "Around the house with RR"
In-Reply-To: <149317.1290.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <149317.1290.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A6BF007A-2260-437E-836B-1A66069ADA2D@cox.net>

Richmond,

At least you're getting a lot of exercise you would be getting  
otherwise. (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On May 28, 2007, at 3:53 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I recently put together a program for children to
> practise the past forms of the verb to "BE":
>
> programmed it in 2.8.1 RC,
>
> saved it in legacy format,
>
> took it downstairs (to my schoolroom) to build with RR
> 2.2.1 Linux,
>
> the file made RR 2.2.1 try to download engines for Mac
> OS and Windows! and, because it could not download
> those engines did not build the desired Linux
> standalone.
>
> went upstairs again and went back to original fle in
> 2.8.1 and opened the StandaloneSettings window;
>
> unchecked Mac OS and Windows builds,
>
> resaved in legacy format,
> took it downstairs and built a standalone with no
> trouble at all.
>
> SO . . .
>
> obviously RR 2.8.1 stores information related to
> projected / potential standalone builds in the
> individual stack.
>
> Pretty Crummy!
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
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> Life Cycle.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon May 28 10:43:55 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 16:43:55 +0200
Subject: "Around the house with RR"
In-Reply-To: <149317.1290.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <149317.1290.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <95BE0E84-C6D4-4128-A244-5C55B797605C@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Richmond,

When you set standalone settings, Rev implements or modify  
accordingly a 'cRevStandaloneSettings' custom property set in the  
concerned stack.
In this set you'll find more than 70 custom properties.
As Ian pointed it out, this allows the settings dialog to be  
'defaulted' to the last settings you set for THIS stack.
This sounds good to me. Even really desirable ;-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Le 28 mai 07 ? 12:53, Richmond Mathewson a ?crit :

> I recently put together a program for children to
> practise the past forms of the verb to "BE":
>
> programmed it in 2.8.1 RC,
>
> saved it in legacy format,
>
> took it downstairs (to my schoolroom) to build with RR
> 2.2.1 Linux,
>
> the file made RR 2.2.1 try to download engines for Mac
> OS and Windows! and, because it could not download
> those engines did not build the desired Linux
> standalone.
>
> went upstairs again and went back to original fle in
> 2.8.1 and opened the StandaloneSettings window;
>
> unchecked Mac OS and Windows builds,
>
> resaved in legacy format,
> took it downstairs and built a standalone with no
> trouble at all.
>
> SO . . .
>
> obviously RR 2.8.1 stores information related to
> projected / potential standalone builds in the
> individual stack.
>
> Pretty Crummy!
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Mon May 28 10:51:05 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:51:05 +0100
Subject: sqlite question
Message-ID: <200705281551.05670.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Hi all,

I have created an sqlite database with that wonderful tool, sqlitebrowser, and 
got my data into it by hacking it into a csv import with regular expressions. 
So far so good. 

 Now, how do I connect to it from rev?  The revdb commands only seem to work 
with Mysql.  Do I have to go out to the shell for everything and pass sqlite 
commands to it?  Is there any documentation on this stuff anyplace?

Note that this is Linux, so there is no altsqlite available nor query 
builder - this is 2.6.1.   

Thanks in advance for any hints, however cryptic, 

Peter


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Mon May 28 11:12:14 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 16:12:14 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [OT] naming one's software package.
Message-ID: <20070528151214.55631.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have used Richard Bannister's Mac Os X port of the
HORIZON BBC emulator for quite a long time now. Its
great for keeping one's BBC BASIC up to scratch -
which we all need to do for when the bomb goes off and
we have to go back to steam-driven computers :)

Now, I noticed a completely different program called
HORIZON:

http://lucernesys.com/

this could prove confusing (especially as I was going
to call my next great thing HORIZON - ERR, only
joking).

So . . .

A web search is just plain confusing . . .

Thoughts, abusive comments, and so forth welcome.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From david at openpartnership.net  Mon May 28 12:38:44 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 17:38:44 +0100
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <465A51F6.7050002@fourthworld.com>
References: <465A51F6.7050002@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0705280938u2be0b947tb601f99a287203f3@mail.gmail.com>

On 28/05/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> If you're referring to sub-components within a group which is acting as
> a custom control, do you really want users to be able to rename those?
> If there's a need, would it make more sense to do so as a property
> setting of the containing group, where it could be managed?


 An example for me would my my "tree view", or your "table view" - a user
may place a couple of these on a card and then want to script them easily.
Yes, they can refer to "the tree_Field of group 1". But this is forcing the
user to use a new form of syntax which they may not be used to - so I'd like
them to be able to rename the field to whatever they like - now the field is
part of a group with a title with drop down menus and context menu for the
lines... - that group is called the "tree view". For the last few years i
have been using name abstraction in the form a look-up table (custom
property) in the group -trapping for the nameChanged message to allow this
functonality. My thought now is that I can use the altID to the same effect.

As for the "custom control" group itself, yes, it should be renamable,
> and that should be easy to accommodate.


Yes users can always re-name the top-groups so you can have "the tree_Field
of group "First Tree" - that bit is easy - it gets harder when you want to
be able to allow arbitrary levels of nesting - for instance a tree view
inside of an outline view inside of a layout view.
Then if you can name a component (I use the word "view"), you should be able
to rename a sub-component.


From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Mon May 28 13:43:56 2007
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:43:56 EDT
Subject: Still having trouble
Message-ID: <ccd.12776750.338c6edc@aol.com>

Hi everyone,

I was hoping the following script would wait for a button to be selected in 
the ?Test? stack before beeping. I was unsuccessful. What am I missing?

on mouseUp
  modal stack "Test"
  topLevel stack "Test"
  go stack "Test"
  show stack "Test"
   beep
end mouseUp

In the script of the pushed button of the ?Test? stack I wanted to get the 
name of the button for further use in the above script. I can?t figure it out? 
Should I use a palette stack instead perhaps? Thanks for your continuing 
support.

Joe


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From mark at maseurope.net  Mon May 28 13:52:08 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 18:52:08 +0100
Subject: Still having trouble
In-Reply-To: <ccd.12776750.338c6edc@aol.com>
References: <ccd.12776750.338c6edc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9E19DEEA-462F-45E0-BC1C-B759AF67FA66@maseurope.net>

Why are you opening the stack as modal, then changing it to topLevel?  
The 2 lines following the topLevel are surely redundant?

on mouseup
   modal stack "Test"
   beep
end mouseUp

Does this not work?

Best,

Mark

On 28 May 2007, at 18:43, LunchnMeets at aol.com wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I was hoping the following script would wait for a button to be  
> selected in
> the ?Test? stack before beeping. I was unsuccessful. What am I  
> missing?
>
> on mouseUp
>   modal stack "Test"
>   topLevel stack "Test"
>   go stack "Test"
>   show stack "Test"
>    beep
> end mouseUp
>
> In the script of the pushed button of the ?Test? stack I wanted to  
> get the
> name of the button for further use in the above script. I can?t  
> figure it out?
> Should I use a palette stack instead perhaps? Thanks for your  
> continuing
> support.
>
> Joe
>
>
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From LunchnMeets at aol.com  Mon May 28 14:28:56 2007
From: LunchnMeets at aol.com (LunchnMeets at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 14:28:56 EDT
Subject: Problem FINALLY solved
Message-ID: <cac.117d7657.338c7968@aol.com>

Hi again everyone,

I truly appreciate all your patience in putting up with my recent batch of 
emails. My problem was solved by removing the conflict of toplevel and modal. I 
also discovered modal has to be the last command. My new script:

on mouseUp
? go stack "Test"
? show stack "Test"
? modal stack "Test"
? beep
end mouseUp

seems to work fine so far at least.

Joe


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http://www.aol.com.


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Mon May 28 14:31:56 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:31:56 +0200
Subject: Problem FINALLY solved
In-Reply-To: <cac.117d7657.338c7968@aol.com>
References: <cac.117d7657.338c7968@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3B2D40CE-C4E0-4204-AC73-6C89553C26E5@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Joe,

Le 28 mai 07 ? 20:28, LunchnMeets at aol.com a ?crit :

> Hi again everyone,
>
> I truly appreciate all your patience in putting up with my recent  
> batch of
> emails. My problem was solved by removing the conflict of toplevel  
> and modal. I
> also discovered modal has to be the last command. My new script:
>
> on mouseUp
>   go stack "Test"
>   show stack "Test"
>   modal stack "Test"
>   beep
> end mouseUp
>
> seems to work fine so far at least.
>
> Joe

Try:

on mouseUp
   modal stack "Test"
   beep
end mouseUp

It should be enough :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon May 28 16:50:05 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:50:05 -0700
Subject: altID
Message-ID: <465B407D.1050404@fourthworld.com>

David Bovill wrote:

 > On 28/05/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
 >> If you're referring to sub-components within a group which is acting
 >> as a custom control, do you really want users to be able to rename
 >> those? If there's a need, would it make more sense to do so as a
 >> property setting of the containing group, where it could be managed?
 >
 >  An example for me would my my "tree view", or your "table view" -
 > a user may place a couple of these on a card and then want to script
 > them easily.
 >
 > Yes, they can refer to "the tree_Field of group 1". But this is
 > forcing the user to use a new form of syntax which they may not be
 > used to - so I'd like them to be able to rename the field to whatever
 > they like - now the field is part of a group with a title with drop
 > down menus and context menu for the lines... - that group is called
 > the "tree view".

A matter of preference I suppose.  Built-in compound objects like 
scrolling fields don't let you name the scrollbar control, but instead 
have you set a property of the field which in turn affects its attached 
scrollbar.

But if you find it easier to let the user address subcomponents 
directly, I see no harm in it.

For myself, when I make a compound custom control I treat it as a black 
box as much as possible, providing an API for its use and leaving what 
goes on under the hood up to the object.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Lead Programmer, ResearchWare Inc.
  __________________________________
  richard at researchware.com



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon May 28 18:08:46 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:08:46 -0700
Subject: Free size of different volume?
Message-ID: <465B52EE.1070804@fourthworld.com>


The diskSpace function returns the free space of the drive the app is 
running from.  I have an installer that runs from a CD, and I need to 
get the avialable size of the destination volume.

Any built-in way to do this, or am I stuck with hunting down shell calls?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon May 28 18:18:53 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:18:53 -0700
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
In-Reply-To: <84AE3765-BE83-4D19-8F6A-7B97F93474FC@maseurope.net>
References: <84AE3765-BE83-4D19-8F6A-7B97F93474FC@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <p06240801c28105a2a56b@[192.168.1.103]>

GREAT JOB Mark, this works as advertised. Thanks!

sqb

>I've got a new version of id3lib working that writes id3 tags as 
>well as reads them.
>
>
>
>Mark

-- 


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From bvlahos at mac.com  Mon May 28 18:19:42 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:19:42 -0700
Subject: Download file from a web server
Message-ID: <9F1442B9-0112-1000-D766-ED952E34A971-Webmail-10014@mac.com>

When I try to download a Rev stack from my web server it downloads only a 377 byte file. The actual file is a Rev stack but I've changed the extension to .ifw. If I download it with a .rev extension it works.

Here is the command (not a real server):
put URL ("http://www.someserver.com/Datafile.ifw") into URL "binfile:Datafile.ifw"

Any idea what's going on?

Bill Vlahos


From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Mon May 28 18:40:24 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 16:40:24 -0600
Subject: External Writing Help
In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0705280049s7de621a7ief550c2bb0f3a3e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86ae76bb0705280049s7de621a7ief550c2bb0f3a3e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD11E8DA-35C9-4168-B0E9-E9D50347B0D4@gmail.com>

Hello.

Here is a quick followup to this message, in case anyone is  
interested. After digging through Apple and Revolution Mailing lists  
and learning Objective-C basics, we discovered that the only way to  
link an Objective-C framework to a Revolution application is through  
the use of C++ (A footnote in a newsletter found here: http:// 
www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/newsletter5.php).  
Fortunately, Objective-C interoperates rather well with C++, so this  
won't be too difficult to achieve. A great article on this can be  
found here:

http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ObjectiveC/ 
Articles/chapter_4_section_10.html

Although we haven't tested it (yet) we have been able to successfully  
build the Revolution external when compiled using the Objective-C++  
compiler. From there, all we have to do is link the Framework in  
question with our xcode project, write up the "glue" interface from  
Revolution to C++ to Objective C, and then start interfacing with the  
Framework from within Revolution. In a nutshell, use .mm as the  
extension to glue Objective C to C++, include your referencing code  
inside that, and build your external as you would normally. I think  
it might be possible to write up an Objective-C Framework to External  
maker since the process seems relatively straightforward, however I'm  
not up to that challenge at the moment.

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
www.FieryFerret.com
www.SpaceCampUtah.org


From livfoss at mac.com  Mon May 28 18:47:09 2007
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:47:09 +0100
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
Message-ID: <3D3B2DD5-CC1B-4908-A460-61FAC683C152@mac.com>

This is pure vulgar curiosity, but what is an id3 tag, and indeed  
what field of endeavour does it belong in? I followed the link but  
still didn't get it.

Ignorantly

Graham

On Sun, 27 May 2007 17:35:12 +0100, Mark Smith <mark at maseurope.net>  
wrote:
>
> I've got a new version of id3lib working that writes id3 tags as well
> as reads them.
>
> It doesn't yet have all the features that I want it to, but the basic
> writing of text frames is covered, and support for picture and
> comment frames is coming 'rsn'.
>
> You can download it from
>
> http://www.futility.co.uk/futsoft/revolutionstuff.html
>
>
> All comments, curses, suggestions and advice welcome.
>


--------------------------------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France




From hershf at rgllc.us  Mon May 28 18:55:30 2007
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 18:55:30 -0400
Subject: Externals database
In-Reply-To: <D4EF1CE0-971C-42ED-A90C-FD129F21F21D@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C280D622.29F5%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 5/22/07 5:57 AM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
Thanks, sorry for the delayed response.

> Hiya,
> 
> Have you tried messing with:
> 
> revSetDatabaseDriverPath "../drivers/"
> revSetDatabaseDriverPath the defaultFolder
Where do I put this command?
Hershel.
> 
> My current setup for the driver is: Revolution Studio/2.8.1-gm-1/
> Externals/Database Drivers whilst in the IDE, I haven't run the new
> version on my current project as a standalone yet, I've got quite a
> bit of debugging to do.
> 
> I did create a  separate db as a standalone, and I get the following
> errors:
> 
> 1    MacOS, database driver file not found: "/Applications/Revolution
> Studio/2.8.1-gm-1/Runtime/Mac OS X/Universal/Externals/Database
> Drivers/dboracle.bundle"
> 2    MacOS, database driver file not found: "/Applications/Revolution
> Studio/2.8.1-gm-1/Runtime/Mac OS X/Universal/Externals/Database
> Drivers/VXCMD_macho.bundle"
> 
> This saves ok and is not an issue as I don't plan on using those
> databases.
> 
> Ran a test and it connects ok.
> 
> Any changes on your end?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 
> 
> 
> On 22 May 2007, at 00:50, Hershel Fisch wrote:
> 
>> On 5/21/07 11:37 AM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi and thanks,
>> 
>>> I've brought my project into the current build, and I can connect to
>>> PostgreSQL fine.
>>> 
>>> Which version of PostgreSQL are you using?
>> 
>> my PostgreSQL is from http://www.entropy.ch/home/welcome.php
>> For mac precompiled.
>> 
>>> I'm using: http://www.postgresqlformac.com (if you decide to go this
>>> route, backup your db and uninstall it, then install PostgreSQL for
>>> Mac).
>>> 
>>> Have you moved the db? Can you connect to it with any other client?
>>> Have you changed the port?
>> 
>> Ok, it works with RR ide without a problem but if I build a
>> standalone it
>> doesn't connect unless I paste the runtime file copied from version
>> 2.7.1
>> into the standalone. This is the current path which doesn't work..
>> 
>> AT4Re.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/database_drivers/"all database
>> drivers.Bundle"
>> 
>> And this is the addition that I copied and pasted
>> "dbpostgresql/Contents/MacOS/dbpostgresql"
>> 
>> Total path of folders and files
>> 
>> AT4Re.app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/database_drivers/dbpostgresql/
>> Contents/Ma
>> cOS/dbpostgresql
>> 
>> Looks like something is wrong just don?t know what.
>> Hershel
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Luis.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 20 May 2007, at 23:23, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 5/18/07 6:35 AM, "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Down loaded a clean new download 2.8.1 and it doesn't work. The most
>>>> interesting thing is that the report it gives that it doesn't
>>>> find the
>>>> oracle and the valentina driver and the postgres doesn?t work.
>>>> Hershel
>>>> 
>>>>> Hiya,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Did you do a fresh install or an update from the 'Help/Check for
>>>>> Updates' menu?
>>>>> I noticed some of the folders got re-jigged.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Luis.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 17 May 2007, at 23:48, Hershel Fisch wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all, I'm wondering why since version 2.8 the only way I could
>>>>>> connect to
>>>>>> a database in a standalone (postgres in my case) is by manually
>>>>>> coping the
>>>>>> standalone database library from version 2.7 into the database
>>>>>> external
>>>>>> folder of the standalone application.
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Hershel
>>>>>> 
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon May 28 19:01:14 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 16:01:14 -0700
Subject: Trying to control OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer
In-Reply-To: <8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@[192.168.1.103]>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c2810637c841@[192.168.1.103]>

Depending on your expansion plans, you have a lot of choices, 
starting with the simplest.

You could use a tab-delimited database system using text files.

You could use a custom-property based database system in a stack. 
These could be turned into speedy arrays directly for quick access.

You could use the limited SQL set in the included altSQLlite in REV 2.8.1

(It's a small subset of MySQL but it works for some situations. But 
that locks you into a single-user based system.)

The next step is multiuser, and installing and setting up a local or 
remote server. With Valentina, MySQL, or PostGresql, these all can be 
expanded to multiuser server use with no code changes.

My current fave is MySQL; my ISP Dreamhost offers it free with my 
account and it's very inexpensive, especially when there's a need for 
a web site anyway. And you can run MySQL in localhost mode on your 
machine - I'm not saying it's free, but the software is available at 
the http://mysql.org site. the 5.0.2 version absolutely rocks.


If you need more versatility and performance than MySQL offers, check 
out Valentina. I think they have limited-record trial versions and 
packages for all size projects. http://www.valentina-db.com/

Finally, there are free open source softwares including at the top Postgresql.
http://www.postgresql.org/download/

All of these can be translated between, dumped and more easily 
utilized in Transcript using Trevor's DB library.
http://mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/

For accessing and uploading data there's CocoaMySQL for the Mac. Many 
others for PC.
new beta http://cocoamysql.sourceforge.net/beta/CocoaMySQL_0.7b5.zip

sqb


>  Well, what I'm trying to do is create a tool that allows a shipping 
>company to print their shipping forms, but use data from a 
>host-based database.
>
>I would have thought that Microsoft Excel would be a lousey 
>print-formatting tool too, but somehow they use it.? If I can create 
>a tool that can do this and bypass Excel, then it's a win-win.
>
>The goal would be to allow a user to enter data via a nice GUI 
>front-end, and then allow the user to select that data record at any 
>point in time and print the shipping form to the dot-matrix printer.
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon May 28 19:08:27 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:08:27 +1000
Subject: Externals database
In-Reply-To: <C280D622.29F5%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <D4EF1CE0-971C-42ED-A90C-FD129F21F21D@anachreon.co.uk>
	<C280D622.29F5%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705281608p37e84250xaf0e638abe39ac28@mail.gmail.com>

Could people please take the few extra seconds needed to strip their
emails before sending them. The previous email in this thread came in
at 171 lines which included the list subscription info 7 times! By my
reckoning, the necessary part of the email was all in the first 11
lines.

Thank you,
Sarah


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon May 28 19:28:34 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 16:28:34 -0700
Subject: Free size of different volume?
In-Reply-To: <465B52EE.1070804@fourthworld.com>
References: <465B52EE.1070804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2B027760-34A2-4188-89F0-BBAA89958036@canelasoftware.com>


On May 28, 2007, at 3:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Any built-in way to do this, or am I stuck with hunting down shell  
> calls?

You could have your installer install a basic app on the intended  
drive, have it run, and report back the results, and then delete the  
temp app.  Shell calls may be easier though.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon May 28 19:38:02 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 16:38:02 -0700
Subject: Download file from a web server
In-Reply-To: <9F1442B9-0112-1000-D766-ED952E34A971-Webmail-10014@mac.com>
References: <9F1442B9-0112-1000-D766-ED952E34A971-Webmail-10014@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240803c28116bfa811@[192.168.1.103]>

have you examined what's in the file? Is it a 404 error message?
perhaps you need to add the suffix to your server. Use .htaccess for this.

>When I try to download a Rev stack from my web server it downloads 
>only a 377 byte file. The actual file is a Rev stack but I've 
>changed the extension to .ifw. If I download it with a .rev 
>extension it works.
>
>Here is the command (not a real server):
>put URL ("http://www.someserver.com/Datafile.ifw") into URL 
>"binfile:Datafile.ifw"
>
>Any idea what's going on?
>
>Bill Vlahos

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From scott at cdroo.com  Mon May 28 20:51:33 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:51:33 +1000
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
References: <3D3B2DD5-CC1B-4908-A460-61FAC683C152@mac.com>
Message-ID: <007c01c7a18b$82fe79f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at mac.com>

G'day Graham,

> This is pure vulgar curiosity, but what is an id3 tag, and indeed  what 
> field of endeavour does it belong in? I followed the link but  still 
> didn't get it.

id3 tags are (patented) tags inside an MP3 file (the MP3 music format file) 
that allow a program to read them to determine defining information about 
that file such as the song name, artist, genre etc.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"In painting a tiger you can paint the skin, but not the bones."  Confucius




From katir at hindu.org  Mon May 28 21:13:46 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 15:13:46 -1000
Subject: Resources Picker Build Database Broken?
Message-ID: <465B7E4A.7040703@hindu.org>

I installed 2.8.1 and when to Eric's Resources Picker... it asked to
build the database... i click "Build" and it begins,  ut the dialog  box
keeps returning, again and again. if you click "Cancel" the build is
hung on 1/40 begin with Alexandro's site...


??

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com

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http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/


From katir at hindu.org  Mon May 28 22:35:55 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 16:35:55 -1000
Subject: Passing Params to Handlers -- Did it Change?
Message-ID: <465B918B.1080104@hindu.org>

Either my memory is bonkers, something changed or there is a bug

I have this in a top script, that picks up an file name on a loop:

global gCurrentFolder

on mouseUp

   put fld "fileList" into tImages

   repeat for each line tImage in tImages
     put (gCurrentFolder& tImage ) into tNextImage
     set the filename of image "currentImage" to tNextImage
     scaleImageToWidth(360, tImage)
   end repeat
end mouseUp

as a test I have, in the stack script:

on scaleImageToWidth pWidth, tImage
   put pWidth; exit to top

end scaleImageToWidth

And, to my surprise, the params passed to the handler are not being 
parsed...

I get this result for the first param "pWidth"

360,DSCF0347.JPG

Is this not correct syntax for for passing several values to a handler?:

   scaleImageToWidth(360, tImage)

I thought this always worked before.. i must be missing something here.

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon May 28 22:41:17 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 19:41:17 -0700
Subject: Passing Params to Handlers -- Did it Change?
In-Reply-To: <465B918B.1080104@hindu.org>
References: <465B918B.1080104@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <p06240804c28142cdfb6b@[192.168.1.103]>

DON'T use the parentheses with a command; it indicates a function to 
the compiler.

I think values within parentheses used to work with commands, but not 
recently. I've been caught by this myself.

>Either my memory is bonkers, something changed or there is a bug
>
>I have this in a top script, that picks up an file name on a loop:

...

>And, to my surprise, the params passed to the handler are not being parsed...
>
>I get this result for the first param "pWidth"
>
>360,DSCF0347.JPG
>
>Is this not correct syntax for for passing several values to a handler?:
>
>   scaleImageToWidth(360, tImage)
>
>I thought this always worked before.. i must be missing something here.
>
>Sivakatirswami
>www.himalayanacademy.com

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon May 28 22:54:54 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 19:54:54 -0700
Subject: Passing Params to Handlers -- Did it Change?
In-Reply-To: <465B918B.1080104@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <C280E40E.467A7%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Stephen is correct

get lastCharOfStr(str)

function lastCharOfStr str
put char -1 of str into lastChar
return lastChar
end lastCharOfStr
--------------
OR
------------------
lastCharOfStr str
get the result

on lastCharOfStr str
put char -1 of str into lastChar
return lastChar
end lastCharOfStr

Memory switch back "on"  :-)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
On 5/28/07 7:35 PM, "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> Either my memory is bonkers, something changed or there is a bug
> 
> I have this in a top script, that picks up an file name on a loop:
> 
> global gCurrentFolder
> 
> on mouseUp
> 
>    put fld "fileList" into tImages
> 
>    repeat for each line tImage in tImages
>      put (gCurrentFolder& tImage ) into tNextImage
>      set the filename of image "currentImage" to tNextImage
>      scaleImageToWidth(360, tImage)
>    end repeat
> end mouseUp
> 
> as a test I have, in the stack script:
> 
> on scaleImageToWidth pWidth, tImage
>    put pWidth; exit to top
> 
> end scaleImageToWidth
> 
> And, to my surprise, the params passed to the handler are not being
> parsed...
> 
> I get this result for the first param "pWidth"
> 
> 360,DSCF0347.JPG
> 
> Is this not correct syntax for for passing several values to a handler?:
> 
>    scaleImageToWidth(360, tImage)
> 
> I thought this always worked before.. i must be missing something here.
> 
> Sivakatirswami
> www.himalayanacademy.com
> 
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From chipp at chipp.com  Mon May 28 23:09:44 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 22:09:44 -0500
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <EE9A0675-0CA9-4C8A-9C35-C6573EA4D2E8@cox.net>
References: <C27DCC7B.24916%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<EE9A0675-0CA9-4C8A-9C35-C6573EA4D2E8@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705282009v1f7a2410y126b54446b44da2b@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/26/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
> Dick,
>
> I admire in cleverness of all this, but the code is even worse to
> comprehend than assembly language.

Not really. Joe, once you've been programming Rev as long as Dick has,
this stuff is just plain english.

Dick, nice job on the 'stream of consciousness' code writing. You seem
to always have some of the slickest and most novel approaches to code
snippets. I try and never miss one of your posts. ;-)


From runr at prismpole.com  Mon May 28 23:15:41 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:15:41 -0400
Subject: Cannot exit to top in modal
Message-ID: <7cd4573d9e9a60a527e978033f20bb23@prismpole.com>

Hi everyone,
Would some kind soul explain what I am doing wrong?

I have a mainstack "myApp" and a substack "myModals".

The mainstack has a button:

on mouseup
   open stack "myModals" as modal
   doSomeThings -- unless the user cancels the modal
end mouseup

The modal substack has a "Cancel" button:

on mouseup
   close stack "myModals"
   exit to top
end mouseup

If the user cancels the modal substack, I do not want
doSomeThings to execute.  But despite the "Exit To Top"
control structure, doSomeThings does execute.  Why is that?

I do realize that I can get the results I desire by setting
a global or a custom property in the substack and testing
for it in the mainstack.  But I don't understand why "Exit
to Top" doesn't work.

Thanks, in advance,
Michael Binder



From pepetoo at cox.net  Mon May 28 23:40:53 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:40:53 -0700
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705282009v1f7a2410y126b54446b44da2b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C27DCC7B.24916%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<EE9A0675-0CA9-4C8A-9C35-C6573EA4D2E8@cox.net>
	<7aa52a210705282009v1f7a2410y126b54446b44da2b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC3279F2-CD76-413F-9092-79B95DE1EDF8@cox.net>

Chipp,

If Rev could only be done in this manner, I'd run from it as fast as  
I could. Why do you think I liked HC? I spent years trying out all  
the other languages, from Fortran thru Assembler to VisualBasic and  
FutureBasic. The latter two were acceptably useful, but still not as  
good as HC. Even the Externals written using CompileIt were pretty  
much pure HC, with slight sidesteps; very useful and generated very  
fast code. The only reason I'm not still using HC is the obvious one.  
Apple dropped supporting and extending it to meet the new demands of  
our current systems.

So, I still think, though I'm sure you are right that Dick has done  
and does a remarkable job; it's not my piece of cake. If this is the  
evolving direction of Rev, it is the wrong one. Just MHO.

Joe Wilkins

On May 28, 2007, at 8:09 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> On 5/26/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>> Dick,
>>
>> I admire in cleverness of all this, but the code is even worse to
>> comprehend than assembly language.
>
> Not really. Joe, once you've been programming Rev as long as Dick has,
> this stuff is just plain english.
>
> Dick, nice job on the 'stream of consciousness' code writing. You seem
> to always have some of the slickest and most novel approaches to code
> snippets. I try and never miss one of your posts. ;-)
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 29 00:29:54 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:29:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <464DBB87.8040405@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705282127290.12646-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Chiming in late in the game, but...

regrettably...

my audience is among them.

Not that that means Rev should maintain  Classic just for laggers like my
department :-/

Judy

On Fri, 18 May 2007, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> > I see that 2.8.1 does not have a build for the Classic Mac platform
> > at this time. My recollection was that 2.7.4 promised it would be
> > available when 2.8 was released.
>
> It might be helpful for RunRev to have some quantification of the
> projected audience size.
>
> Do you have a feel for how many of your customers are still running OS 9?
>
> --
>   Richard Gaskin
>   Fourth World Media Corporation
>   ___________________________________________________________
>   Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 29 00:33:34 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:33:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <1E5AF9D2-E6AC-49CA-8060-DB9AF803E00D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705282132100.12646-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Yup... 'cuz,

"if it ain't broke, no cents in fixing it" ;-)

er, sense...  whatever.

Judy

On Fri, 18 May 2007, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> That WAS my opinion too; so thanks for the back-up supporting my
> view. It IS really the schools rather than the parents who are buying
> new machines that keeps 0S9 alive.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 29 00:39:46 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:39:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <AC72CEEF-4B1D-469B-8E5A-2233E6E96D6A@cox.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705282136480.12646-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

My Mac][ ran waaayyy longer than I needed it to ;-)

My QuickSilver dual G4 runs still... as does my Cube.  And, of course, my
Newton 2100 & eMate @;-)  Just bought another one...  Waayyy cool
technology.  Sans color, of course.

Judy

On Fri, 18 May 2007, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Fortunately, I have one of the last and greatest G4s. It's about 8
> years old now - I think. So my only concern is whether the drives
> will continue to work forever. (smile) I tried to boot up my SE30 the
> other day and, probably because I had forgotten to keep it plugged in
> so that the battery didn't peter out, it just sat there with a blurry
> screen and nothing else. Some of the external hard drives I used with
> it are still alive, so all is not lost. Just my ability to run System 8.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 29 00:48:36 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:48:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <0A1DC4B7-E72D-4D67-8AB7-FE54231CC431@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705282148130.12646-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Yup.

& Amen.

Judy

On Sat, 19 May 2007, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

> nope, a lot of schools wont do this unless folks like you with the
> savvy to figure out how to do this go in and volunteer to do it, you
> donate the money for the  the copies of osx for their computers, then
> you will have to come in and train the teachers how to use the osx,
> then you will have to support the new systems, then you will have to
> probably donate copies of the osx versions of newer software for them
> to use since they dont have the tech personnel or money to do any of
> this in many cases.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 29 00:54:57 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:54:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <85FB2C7C-4244-4864-AEB6-9F3AAC8CCEB0@cox.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705282152070.12646-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

This has always been one of my personal pet peeves:

software aimed at really young children (think sippy cups and really bad
hand-eye coordination) that requires the latest and greatest hardware.

Like anybody's gonna let their 3-y.o. drooling, inept, sippy-laden child
to "play" on mommy's latest'n'greatest (insert hardware config or choice).

didn't think so...

Judy

On Sat, 19 May 2007, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> I hate to raise yet another point; but what about brand new,
> inexpensive software targeted specifically at young children with
> eduction more in mind than profit?



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 29 00:58:04 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 21:58:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <000f01c79aca$80821af0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705282156540.12646-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Yep.

YIKES!!!  I recently made this part of my rant against PPT for a
presentation at ED-MEDIA.. and, surprisingly, they went for it.

Go figure.

Judy

On Sun, 20 May 2007, Scott Kane wrote:

> I do understand this and it's a darn shame.  I'm not in the USA but we have
> the same issues here none the less.  I hold a degree in teaching (Primary -
> what our USA friends call Elementary) and taught for - wait for it - just
> under 30 days before I quit in total disgust at the teachers I worked with
> (I met them on rounds during Uni (called Teachers College in those days) but
> naively believed it would be different when I was "one of them").    My wife
> happens also to be a teacher, though she shows heaps more sense than many of
> those I worked with.  Recently on TV there was a live audience debate with a
> panel of "experts" on technology (none of them were programmers or
> technicians but one guy "designed web sites").  One of the members of the
> panel was a teacher and she declared "Teachers know everything they need to
> know about computers."





From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Tue May 29 02:09:09 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:09:09 +0300
Subject: Trying to control OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c2810637c841@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <C2819E35.73FEF%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 29/5/07 2:01 AM, "Stephen Barncard" <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com>
wrote:

Hi Stephen,

> If you need more versatility and performance than MySQL offers, check
> out Valentina. I think they have limited-record trial versions and
> packages for all size projects. http://www.valentina-db.com/

correction:
    we do not limit demo by records, or by table or any other numbers.


* we offer ADKs DEMO as 10 minutes per start
    
    Valentina can build table with 100K records in about 2-3 seconds
    so 10 min usually is more than enough.
    

* Valentina Server DEMO
    
    has NO any limits.
    you can use it nonstop 24*7 until first day of next month.
    Then download newer demo license file and continue for the 0next month.


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 29 02:48:44 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 23:48:44 -0700
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
Message-ID: <465BCCCC.20802@fourthworld.com>

Scott Kane wrote:
> id3 tags are (patented) tags inside an MP3 file (the MP3 music format file) 
> that allow a program to read them to determine defining information about 
> that file such as the song name, artist, genre etc.

Patented, eh?  Does the patent holder explicitly allow third parties to 
read and write to that part of the proprietary MP3 file format, or can 
we expect them to pull a bait-and-switch down the road like CompuServe 
did with GIF?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 29 03:10:23 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:10:23 +1000
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
References: <465BCCCC.20802@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <00bd01c7a1c0$6f44ef90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>

> Patented, eh?  Does the patent holder explicitly allow third parties to 
> read and write to that part of the proprietary MP3 file format, or can we 
> expect them to pull a bait-and-switch down the road like CompuServe did 
> with GIF?

They are already pulling.  MS, Apple etc pay them royalties now and anybody 
reading and writing to and from the file is expected to do the same.  They 
have attempted to go after some of the freeware tools and have gone after 
several smaller commercial developers.

Take a look here:

http://www.chillingeffects.org/patent/notice.cgi?NoticeID=464

and here:

http://mp3licensing.com/

Note that this covers tags and playing and the creation of MP3 files.  Ogg 
is a good substitute though Thompson GMBH have turned their attention to 
that as well several times in that they suggest Ogg *may* infringe on their 
compression patent.  Another company in the USA had Microsoft in court in 
February as they also claim to own a patent on MP3 (not sure of details of 
the actual patent held) and wanted mega bucks for use.   They won and MS are 
appealing.  The tags are covered by the Thompson patent but getting precise 
details requires you contact their lawyers.  Having done that once I'd not 
recommend it - they are creeps. <g>

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  &Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"There are two ways of being deceived.  One is to believe that which is not
true.  The other is to not believe that which is true." S?ren Aabye 
Kierkegaard



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue May 29 03:13:04 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:13:04 +0200
Subject: Resources Picker Build Database Broken?
In-Reply-To: <465B7E4A.7040703@hindu.org>
References: <465B7E4A.7040703@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <030E364A-DB17-4869-8E88-CD811BB48C3B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Sivakatirswami,

Le 29 mai 07 ? 03:13, Sivakatirswami a ?crit :

> I installed 2.8.1 and when to Eric's Resources Picker... it asked to
> build the database... i click "Build" and it begins,  ut the  
> dialog  box
> keeps returning, again and again. if you click "Cancel" the build is
> hung on 1/40 begin with Alexandro's site...

Did you use the Resources plugin from my website or the Rev Search  
Engine shipped with 2.8?
Anyway, try it again: it may be a connection problem...
And let me know off-list if needed :-)

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue May 29 03:20:20 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:20:20 +0200
Subject: Cannot exit to top in modal
In-Reply-To: <7cd4573d9e9a60a527e978033f20bb23@prismpole.com>
References: <7cd4573d9e9a60a527e978033f20bb23@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <77907553-FAD9-4398-9E18-35B7F7827D73@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Michael,

Le 29 mai 07 ? 05:15, Michael Binder a ?crit :

> Hi everyone,
> Would some kind soul explain what I am doing wrong?
>
> I have a mainstack "myApp" and a substack "myModals".
>
> The mainstack has a button:
>
> on mouseup
>   open stack "myModals" as modal
>   doSomeThings -- unless the user cancels the modal
> end mouseup
>
> The modal substack has a "Cancel" button:
>
> on mouseup
>   close stack "myModals"
>   exit to top
> end mouseup
>
> If the user cancels the modal substack, I do not want
> doSomeThings to execute.  But despite the "Exit To Top"
> control structure, doSomeThings does execute.  Why is that?
>
> I do realize that I can get the results I desire by setting
> a global or a custom property in the substack and testing
> for it in the mainstack.  But I don't understand why "Exit
> to Top" doesn't work.
>
> Thanks, in advance,
> Michael Binder

You might take advantage of the dialogData property.
For instance, from a recent post:

put "OK" into tBtn1
put "Cancel" into tBtn2
put "Are we going to the cellar?" into tPrompt
set the dialogData to tBtn1 & cr & tBtn2 & cr & tPrompt
modal stack "MyAsnwer" -- this will trigger preOpenStack in MyAnwser:  
see below
if the dialogData then doSomething -- see btn scripts below that have  
changed the contents of the dialogData in the meantime :-)
etc.

on preOpenStack
   set the label of btn "OK" to line 1 of the dialogData
   set the label of btn "Cancel" to line 2 of the dialogData
   put line 3 of the dialogData into fld "Prompt"
   -- your dialog is now customized
   etc.

on mouseUp -- btn "Cancel"
   set the dialogData to false
   close this stack
end mouseUp

on mouseUp -- btn "OK"
   set the dialogData to true
   close this stack
end mouseUp

Hope this helps
Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Tue May 29 04:20:04 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:20:04 +0100
Subject: Cannot exit to top in modal
In-Reply-To: <7cd4573d9e9a60a527e978033f20bb23@prismpole.com>
References: <7cd4573d9e9a60a527e978033f20bb23@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <465BE234.3000404@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Michael Binder wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Would some kind soul explain what I am doing wrong?
> 
> I have a mainstack "myApp" and a substack "myModals".
> 
> The mainstack has a button:
> 
> on mouseup
>   open stack "myModals" as modal
>   doSomeThings -- unless the user cancels the modal
> end mouseup
> 
> The modal substack has a "Cancel" button:
> 
> on mouseup
>   close stack "myModals"
>   exit to top
> end mouseup
> 
> If the user cancels the modal substack, I do not want
> doSomeThings to execute.  But despite the "Exit To Top"
> control structure, doSomeThings does execute.  Why is that?
> 
> I do realize that I can get the results I desire by setting
> a global or a custom property in the substack and testing
> for it in the mainstack.  But I don't understand why "Exit
> to Top" doesn't work.
> 
> Thanks, in advance,
> Michael Binder
> 

Hi Michael,

You are right that passing data back from the closing modal to the 
calling handler and having the latter make the decision about what to do 
next is the usual or recommended way to work with modals.

The behaviour you note is interesting though as in normal stacks, the 
handler should run to the end. It seems that this is not the case in a 
modal stack, and any statements after the close stack command are 
ignored. Whether this is a bug or by design I can't say. I couldn't find 
anything in the dictionary that would lead me to expect this behaviour.

Martin Baxter



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Tue May 29 05:01:16 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:01:16 +0100
Subject: [OT] naming one's software package.
In-Reply-To: <20070528151214.55631.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070528151214.55631.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CDDE809E-5025-45E7-B441-AD938256D09B@anachreon.co.uk>

I can't believe they're applying for a patent for that.
The new rules being brought in ought to prevent that request from  
going through, not to mention that there's prior art.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 28 May 2007, at 16:12, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I have used Richard Bannister's Mac Os X port of the
> HORIZON BBC emulator for quite a long time now. Its
> great for keeping one's BBC BASIC up to scratch -
> which we all need to do for when the bomb goes off and
> we have to go back to steam-driven computers :)
>
> Now, I noticed a completely different program called
> HORIZON:
>
> http://lucernesys.com/
>
> this could prove confusing (especially as I was going
> to call my next great thing HORIZON - ERR, only
> joking).
>
> So . . .
>
> A web search is just plain confusing . . .
>
> Thoughts, abusive comments, and so forth welcome.
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development  
> Life Cycle.
> ____________________________________________________________
>
>
> 		
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> address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ 
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue May 29 05:15:03 2007
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:15:03 +0100
Subject: Abode Tools Died  -- > Back To RunRev!
References: 465898CC.1040300@hindu.org
Message-ID: <465BEF17.6040909@cogapp.com>

You might also be interested in throwing some comments or votes towards:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3055>

-Ben




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue May 29 05:23:40 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:23:40 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: sqlite question
References: <200705281551.05670.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <465BF11A.000003.03488@MAZYTIS>

Hi Peter, 
 
go to http://www.sqlite.org/sqlite.html . At the very end of this page there
are instructions on "using sqlite3 in a shell script". Some time ago I
successfully applied these to query my own sqlite3 databases like this: 
 
on mouseUp 
local cSQL 
local tmpTab 
 
put "sqlite3 my.db" && quote & field "fSQL" & quote into cSQL 
replace return with " " in cSQL 
set the itemdelimiter to "|" 
set the hideconsolewindows to true 
put shell(cSQL) into tmpTab 
replace "|" with tab in tmpTab 
put tmpTab into fld "fOut" #here the results go into text field with grids
 
put empty into tmpTab 
end mouseUp
 
All the best! 
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Peter Alcibiades 
Date: 28/05/2007 17:51:09 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: sqlite question 
 
Hi all, 
 
I have created an sqlite database with that wonderful tool, sqlitebrowser,
and 
got my data into it by hacking it into a csv import with regular expressions
 
So far so good. 
 
Now, how do I connect to it from rev? The revdb commands only seem to work 
with Mysql. Do I have to go out to the shell for everything and pass sqlite 
commands to it? Is there any documentation on this stuff anyplace? 
 
Note that this is Linux, so there is no altsqlite available nor query 
builder - this is 2.6.1. 
 
Thanks in advance for any hints, however cryptic, 
 
Peter 
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue May 29 05:37:07 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:37:07 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: sqlite in-memory databases
References: <465BF11A.000003.03488@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <465BF442.000005.03488@MAZYTIS>

Hi, 
 
does anyone know if after I create an in-RAM database using 
sqlite3 memory 
and then do for any stored database file: 
ATTACH db_file AS db_ram 
 
does it also load the attached database into RAM or continues to query the
attached database as it is (e.g. disk file) ? Any experiences with this?
 
Best wishes 
Viktoras 
 
 


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue May 29 05:53:31 2007
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:53:31 +0100
Subject: Cannot exit to top in modal
References: 7cd4573d9e9a60a527e978033f20bb23@prismpole.com
Message-ID: <465BF81B.8070901@cogapp.com>

Martin Baxter wrote:
> The behaviour you note is interesting though as in normal stacks, the 
> handler should run to the end. It seems that this is not the case in a 
> modal stack, and any statements after the close stack command are 
> ignored. Whether this is a bug or by design I can't say. I couldn't find 
> anything in the dictionary that would lead me to expect this behaviour.

This is a real problem.  Although we normally say that Rev doesn't do 
threading, effectively there is a kind of threading going on with modal 
stacks, such that 'exit to top' exits the processing going on in the open 
modal stack - but doesn't affect the processing of the 'underneath' script 
that was suspended when it executed the 'modal' statement.

I think that 'exit to top' should exit everything.   This has been listed as 
an enhancement for almost four years.  My guess is that it's not an easy 
change to make.  But please add your comments/votes to:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=294>

if you think it would be an important improvement.   Meanwhile, the workaround 
you noted in your original post is your only option.

- Ben



From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue May 29 06:10:40 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:10:40 +0100
Subject: XML Confusion?
In-Reply-To: <990218.54927.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <990218.54927.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <483FD261-2063-4734-B919-6A8F3C84A6A1@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I am confused as to how to the use revXMLxxx Command to add the XML  
data copied below.


How do I use revAddXMLNode and revSetXMLAttribute (or any other  
RevXMLxxx commands) to add the data to an XML tree?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<fpasvc>
     <header>
         <fpasvc version="2105" />
         <file name="TestSequence2.avi" />
         <video framerate="25.00" width="720" height="576" />
         <analysis totalframes="00:02:14:15" />
         <analysis endframe="00:02:14:15" />
     </header>

     <summary analyser="fpaanalyser" version="1310"  
analysis_standard="OfCOM(ITC)" mode="PAL" scan="Interlaced"  
status="Failed" error="">
         <item type="luminanceflash_failures" count="178" />
         <item type="luminanceflash_warnings" count="488" />
         <item type="redflash_failures" count="0" />
         <item type="redflash_warnings" count="66" />
         <item type="spatialpattern_failures" count="0" />
         <item type="spatialpattern_warnings" count="103" />
         <item type="extended_failures" count="46" />
     </summary>

     <results analyser="fpaanalyser">
       <failsequence startframe="00:01:29:02">
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:02" flash="0.5" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="7" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:03" flash="0.5" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="7" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
       </failsequence>

       fail<failsequence startframe="00:01:29:10">
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:10" flash="0.6" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="7" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:11" flash="0.8" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="8" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:12" flash="0.8" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="8" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:13" flash="0.6" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="7" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
       </failsequence>

    </results>
</fpasvc>



From katir at hindu.org  Tue May 29 06:31:34 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 00:31:34 -1000
Subject: Passing Params to Handlers -- Did it Change?
In-Reply-To: <C280E40E.467A7%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C280E40E.467A7%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <465C0106.6010108@hindu.org>

Jim Ault wrote:
> Stephen is correct
> 
> get lastCharOfStr(str)
> 
> function lastCharOfStr str
> put char -1 of str into lastChar
> return lastChar
> end lastCharOfStr
> --------------
> OR
> ------------------
> lastCharOfStr str
> get the result
> 
> on lastCharOfStr str
> put char -1 of str into lastChar
> return lastChar
> end lastCharOfStr
> 
> Memory switch back "on"  :-)
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> On 5/28/07 7:35 PM, "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
> 
>> Either my memory is bonkers, something changed or there is a bug
>>

confirmed:

on mouseup
   scaleImageToWidth 360, tImage
end mouseup

on  scaleImageToWidth pWidth, pImage
   put pWidth
end scaleImageToWidth

--> 360

on  scaleImageToWidth pWidth, pImage
   put pWidth && "|" && pImage
end scaleImageToWidth

--> 360 | DSC04328.jpg

Grey cells recharged

Thanks!

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com


From mark at maseurope.net  Tue May 29 06:44:16 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:44:16 +0100
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
In-Reply-To: <00bd01c7a1c0$6f44ef90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <465BCCCC.20802@fourthworld.com>
	<00bd01c7a1c0$6f44ef90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <FCEF810D-4D46-48FD-830A-C4BEB09A6ADD@maseurope.net>

Scott, can you point to anything specific about id3 patents? I've had  
a good poke around the links you provided, and could find nothing...I  
did find this, on http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/ 
fdd000108.shtml

> Disclosure
> Fully documented. Developed by Martin Nilsson and colleagues; see  
> ID3.org web site.
>
> Documentation
> Documentation and specifications for all subversions and addenda at  
> the ID3.org developer's page.
>
> Adoption
> Very widely adopted for World Wide Web dissemination and playback  
> on specialized devices.
>
> Licensing and patent claims
> None, except use of the copyrighted logo is licensed by Martin  
> Nilsson at no cost.

Which makes sense, since the ID3 standards were created by Martin  
Nilsson, and maintained by him.
There's nothing I could find on id3.org to suggest that Alcatel/ 
Lucent have anything at all to do with id3 tags.

Best,

Mark


On 29 May 2007, at 08:10, Scott Kane wrote:

> Note that this covers tags and playing and the creation of MP3  
> files.  Ogg is a good substitute though Thompson GMBH have turned  
> their attention to that as well several times in that they suggest  
> Ogg *may* infringe on their compression patent.  Another company in  
> the USA had Microsoft in court in February as they also claim to  
> own a patent on MP3 (not sure of details of the actual patent held)  
> and wanted mega bucks for use.   They won and MS are appealing.   
> The tags are covered by the Thompson patent but getting precise  
> details requires you contact their lawyers.  Having done that once  
> I'd not recommend it - they are creeps. <g>



From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 29 06:51:54 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:51:54 +1000
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
References: <465BCCCC.20802@fourthworld.com><00bd01c7a1c0$6f44ef90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<FCEF810D-4D46-48FD-830A-C4BEB09A6ADD@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <004501c7a1df$61208a90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Mark Smith" <mark at maseurope.net>

Hi Mark,

> Scott, can you point to anything specific about id3 patents? I've had   a 
> good poke around the links you provided, and could find nothing...I  did 
> find this, on 
> http://www.digitalpreservation.gov/formats/fdd/fdd000108.shtml

> Which makes sense, since the ID3 standards were created by Martin 
> Nilsson, and maintained by him.  There's nothing I could find on id3.org 
> to suggest that Alcatel/ Lucent have anything at all to do with id3 tags.

I have Sony Acid Pro and Sonar Producer.  Each of these required me to 
purchase a license from the respective companies to work with MP3 files.  I 
asked Sony and Cakewalk about claims that I would need an additional license 
to actually distribute these files (as claimed by an audio technical group 
I'm a member of).  Both Sony and Cakewalk told me to contact Thompson. 



From hershf at rgllc.us  Tue May 29 06:55:55 2007
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 06:55:55 -0400
Subject: Externals database
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705281608p37e84250xaf0e638abe39ac28@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2817EFB.2A15%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 5/28/07 7:08 PM, "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:

> Could people please take the few extra seconds needed to strip their
> emails before sending them. The previous email in this thread came in
> at 171 lines which included the list subscription info 7 times! By my
> reckoning, the necessary part of the email was all in the first 11
> lines.
> 
Sorry about that.
> Thank you,
> Sarah
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From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 29 06:56:57 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:56:57 +1000
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
References: <465BCCCC.20802@fourthworld.com><00bd01c7a1c0$6f44ef90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><FCEF810D-4D46-48FD-830A-C4BEB09A6ADD@maseurope.net>
	<004501c7a1df$61208a90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <004a01c7a1e0$156c16e0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> I have Sony Acid Pro and Sonar Producer.  Each of these required me to 
> purchase a license from the respective companies to work with MP3 files. 
> I asked Sony and Cakewalk about claims that I would need an additional 
> license to actually distribute these files (as claimed by an audio 
> technical group I'm a member of).  Both Sony and Cakewalk told me to 
> contact Thompson.

Sorry I hit send to accidentally!  <g>

Anyway Thompson informed me that yes I would need to purchase a separate 
license to distribute in this format.  I then asked, as a software 
developer, if that meant I could read and write to and from an MP3 file in 
my own software.  They stated that I could not and would need a separate 
license to do that.  I asked directly what that license allowed and they 
told me it included the right to write the audio data, tags and to read both 
back.  Like you I was surprised by this.  I enquired further about their 
ownership of that tags (as I had found the same information as you) and they 
told me that as I am writing and reading from their format *anything* not 
pertaining to performance rights (that the label or artist owns) is their 
property as specified by their patent.  As I said in my first post they are 
total creeps.  The entire series of emails was very curt and at times 
totally condescending.

Scott 



From runr at prismpole.com  Tue May 29 06:58:08 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 06:58:08 -0400
Subject: Cannot exit to top in modal
Message-ID: <6f3b680c934b3f03b8404a7bd05fbc09@prismpole.com>

Ben Rubinstein wrote:
 > I think that 'exit to top' should exit everything.   This has
 > been listed as an enhancement for almost four years.  My guess
 > is that it's not an easy change to make.  But please add your
 > comments/votes to:
 >   <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=294>

Hi Ben,
I too expected 'exit to top' to exit everything.  I just read
bug/enhancement report #294.  I would never have guessed that
report was the same issue.  As I read the report, it is a
request to have 'command-period' or 'esc' trigger an 'exit to
top'.

In my case, I explicitly called 'exit to top' in a script.
Issue #294 may well be the same issue that I am describing,
but that wasn't clear to me from reading it.

Also, from report #294:
 > If you press command-period or esc while an answer dialog box
 > is up, the dialog is dismissed but the handler isn't aborted.

In my example, 'command-period' does not dismiss my custom modal,
but I didn't expect it to since I haven't yet tried to code that
into my project.  Maybe I shouldn't bother trying since 'exit to
top' doesn't seem to function.

--Michael Binder



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 29 07:10:15 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:10:15 +0100
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
In-Reply-To: <004a01c7a1e0$156c16e0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <465BCCCC.20802@fourthworld.com><00bd01c7a1c0$6f44ef90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><FCEF810D-4D46-48FD-830A-C4BEB09A6ADD@maseurope.net>
	<004501c7a1df$61208a90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<004a01c7a1e0$156c16e0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <D8FD9AF4-A873-4747-A34A-BD84CF32895D@azurevision.co.uk>

Did they give you the patent number at any time? Otherwise it sounds  
suspiciously like someone trying it on. :-(

A quick look through via Google patent search doesn't appear to show  
anything covering MP3 ID3 tags themselves, just some of the potential  
*uses* of them.

<http://www.google.com/patents?lr=&q=mp3+id3&sa=N&start=0>

Ian

On 29 May 2007, at 11:56, Scott Kane wrote:

>  I enquired further about their ownership of that tags (as I had  
> found the same information as you) and they told me that as I am  
> writing and reading from their format *anything* not pertaining to  
> performance rights (that the label or artist owns) is their  
> property as specified by their patent.



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 29 07:12:33 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:12:33 +0100
Subject: Cannot exit to top in modal
In-Reply-To: <6f3b680c934b3f03b8404a7bd05fbc09@prismpole.com>
References: <6f3b680c934b3f03b8404a7bd05fbc09@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <BDB2B76A-60C8-4CFF-8A46-11A545733406@azurevision.co.uk>


On 29 May 2007, at 11:58, Michael Binder wrote:

>  I just read
> bug/enhancement report #294.  I would never have guessed that
> report was the same issue.

Same here.

It's also worth bearing in mind that this is the default behaviour on  
OS X - Command-. or escape is the same as clicking the Cancel button  
in any dialog box.

Ian


From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 29 07:24:53 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:24:53 +1000
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
References: <465BCCCC.20802@fourthworld.com><00bd01c7a1c0$6f44ef90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><FCEF810D-4D46-48FD-830A-C4BEB09A6ADD@maseurope.net><004501c7a1df$61208a90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><004a01c7a1e0$156c16e0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<D8FD9AF4-A873-4747-A34A-BD84CF32895D@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <005b01c7a1e3$fcb1b020$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Ian Wood" <revlist at azurevision.co.uk>

> Did they give you the patent number at any time? Otherwise it sounds 
> suspiciously like someone trying it on. :-(

I have some stuff on my work machine.  I'll check tomorrow and get back to 
you.  I hold the correct licenses and the legal drivel would make any lawyer 
proud.

> A quick look through via Google patent search doesn't appear to show 
> anything covering MP3 ID3 tags themselves, just some of the potential 
> *uses* of them.
>
> <http://www.google.com/patents?lr=&q=mp3+id3&sa=N&start=0>

Yup.  Ogg doesn't use any MP3 technology either - but Thompson lawyers have 
repeated several times that they think it *might*.   I'm assuming they 
reckon any format that compresses audio inside a file *might* be theirs - I 
really don't think the legal staff even know what compression actually is.

Scott 



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue May 29 07:47:24 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:47:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Build for Classic
Message-ID: <774881.17889.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Judy!

Your answers to the 'Build for Classic' posts are not
too late:

in fact, until lots of people stop using the following
operating systems we need to keep hammering ar
RunRev's doors:

Mac "Classic" - meaning Mac OS 6 thru 9

Windows "Classic" - meaning 95 thru XP

I do not adhere to the "endlessly upward" and "chuck
out perfectly good machines every six months because I
am dripping with money" cults.

I have clients who use my tiddly-widdly programs for
improving their English pronunciation - most of them
are using Windows 98 and ME (Yuck) - same game as Mac
Classic.

Now, with the exception of the millionaires who fool
around with RR just for the fun of it, most of us have
to produce software that runs on all those "cranky old
computers" which use operating systems that are below
the notice of the demi-gods in Edinburgh. So, we
should vote, agitate, barrack and so on by harping on
about the incredibly important need for RR to be
backwards compatible for a very, very long time to
come.

Or (Heather Nagey - I hope you are paying attention
here!) release an earlier version of Runtime
Revolution at a reduced price, crippled so that it
will only build for the systems "we know and love"
mentioned above . . . now, there's a thought!

Sincerely, Richmond "Classic" Mathewson

PS. I am a "Classic" as my Operating system was
installed in 1962 - still running, no new hard-drive,
no new RAM, and seriously aggressively Scots :)

PPS. For those who need to build for Classic I find it
hard to believe that:

a. you have deleted all the earlier versions of RR you
have had on your hard-disks.

b. the recently introduced new features are so vital
that you cannot live without them for your Classic
builds.

Personally, on the rare occasions I neeed to build for
Mac Classic I just use RR 2.0.1 to cope with a stack I
have authored with a later version - not rocket
science, but it does the trick.

Not, that this in any way justifies Runtime
Revolution's supposition that users of operating
system that are more than 5 minutes old are dead on
the ground :)



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From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue May 29 08:04:50 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:04:50 +0100
Subject: More XML Confusion?
In-Reply-To: <990218.54927.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <990218.54927.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <65229FB9-E798-433E-BBFC-270A3426C6A6@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I've been playing around and got to the point where I can add nodes  
etc. However I need to generate lots of "Failure" nodes. When I run  
the following code, only the second node gets added. How can I add  
multiple nodes?

  --
   --  Add Failure Node
   --
   put myRootNode & "/results/failsequence/failure" into myCurrentNode
   get UtilXMLNewElement(myXMLDocumentID,myRootNode & "/results/ 
failsequence","failure",empty)
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"timecode","00:01:29:02")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"flash","0.5")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"red","0.0")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"spatial","0.0")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"extended","0.0")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"reddiag","0.0")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"flashdiag","7")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"spatialraw","0.0")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"flashraw","0.0")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"redraw","0.0")

   -------

   get UtilXMLNewElement(myXMLDocumentID,myRootNode & "/results/ 
failsequence","failure",empty)
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"timecode","00:01:29:03")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"flash","0.5")

.0")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"spatial","0.0")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"extended","0.0")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"reddiag","0.0")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"flashdiag","7")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"spatialraw","0.0")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute 
(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"flashraw","0.0")
   get UtilXMLNewAttribute(myXMLDocumentID,myCurrentNode,"redraw","0.0")

This is what I was expecting:
    <results analyser="fpaanalyser">
       <failsequence startframe="00:01:29:02">
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:02" flash="0.5" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="7" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:03" flash="0.5" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="7" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
       </failsequence>

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

Hi All,

I am confused as to how to the use revXMLxxx Command to add the XML  
data copied below.


How do I use revAddXMLNode and revSetXMLAttribute (or any other  
RevXMLxxx commands) to add the data to an XML tree?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<fpasvc>
     <header>
         <fpasvc version="2105" />
         <file name="TestSequence2.avi" />
         <video framerate="25.00" width="720" height="576" />
         <analysis totalframes="00:02:14:15" />
         <analysis endframe="00:02:14:15" />
     </header>

     <summary analyser="fpaanalyser" version="1310"  
analysis_standard="OfCOM(ITC)" mode="PAL" scan="Interlaced"  
status="Failed" error="">
         <item type="luminanceflash_failures" count="178" />
         <item type="luminanceflash_warnings" count="488" />
         <item type="redflash_failures" count="0" />
         <item type="redflash_warnings" count="66" />
         <item type="spatialpattern_failures" count="0" />
         <item type="spatialpattern_warnings" count="103" />
         <item type="extended_failures" count="46" />
     </summary>

     <results analyser="fpaanalyser">
       <failsequence startframe="00:01:29:02">
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:02" flash="0.5" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="7" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:03" flash="0.5" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="7" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
       </failsequence>

       fail<failsequence startframe="00:01:29:10">
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:10" flash="0.6" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="7" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:11" flash="0.8" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="8" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:12" flash="0.8" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="8" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
         <failure timecode="00:01:29:13" flash="0.6" red="0.0"  
spatial="0.0" extended="0" reddiag="0" flashdiag="7" spatialraw="0"  
flashraw="0" redraw="0" />
       </failsequence>

    </results>
</fpasvc>

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From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Tue May 29 08:20:29 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:20:29 +0100
Subject: Cannot exit to top in modal
In-Reply-To: <6f3b680c934b3f03b8404a7bd05fbc09@prismpole.com>
References: <6f3b680c934b3f03b8404a7bd05fbc09@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <465C1A8D.80406@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Michael Binder wrote:
> Ben Rubinstein wrote:
>  > I think that 'exit to top' should exit everything.   This has
>  > been listed as an enhancement for almost four years.  My guess
>  > is that it's not an easy change to make.  But please add your
>  > comments/votes to:
>  >   <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=294>
> 
> Hi Ben,
> I too expected 'exit to top' to exit everything.  I just read
> bug/enhancement report #294.  I would never have guessed that
> report was the same issue.  As I read the report, it is a
> request to have 'command-period' or 'esc' trigger an 'exit to
> top'.
> 
> In my case, I explicitly called 'exit to top' in a script.
> Issue #294 may well be the same issue that I am describing,
> but that wasn't clear to me from reading it.
> 

Michael,

Are you finding that it is only "exit to top" that is ignored? In my 
(quick) test here I found that in the modal, no statements after close 
stack were executed, as if close stack, when encountered in a modal, 
immediately stops execution of the running handler.

Martin Baxter


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 29 08:16:37 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:16:37 +0100
Subject: More XML Confusion?
In-Reply-To: <65229FB9-E798-433E-BBFC-270A3426C6A6@looktowindward.com>
References: <990218.54927.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<65229FB9-E798-433E-BBFC-270A3426C6A6@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <F017FCB3-D279-43D3-A3B8-4449117CDD03@azurevision.co.uk>


On 29 May 2007, at 13:04, Dave wrote:

> I've been playing around and got to the point where I can add nodes  
> etc. However I need to generate lots of "Failure" nodes. When I run  
> the following code, only the second node gets added. How can I add  
> multiple nodes?

What is "UtilXMLNewElement"? I'm assuming that it's some function of  
your own, as it's not a Rev function.

I've successfully used the following inside a repeat structure, where  
treeID is the ID of the XML tree:

====================================

revAddXMLNode treeID,  tAssetsNode, "asset", ""
put the result into tItemNode
checkforerror tItemNode
revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "id_number", char 2 to 4 of  
numAssets
revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "main_title", the main_title of  
tControl
revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "asset_path", the asset_path of  
tControl
revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "artist_name", the artist_name  
of tControl
revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "x", text of fld "x" of stack  
"position"
revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "y", text of fld "y" of stack  
"position"
revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "wall", text of fld "wall" of  
stack "position"
revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "pan", text of fld "pan" of  
stack "position"
revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "hFOV", text of fld "hFOV" of  
stack "position"
revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "hOffset", text of fld  
"hOffset" of stack "position"
revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "vOffset", text of fld  
"vOffset" of stack "position"

====================================

Ian


From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue May 29 08:34:13 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:34:13 +0100
Subject: More XML Confusion?
In-Reply-To: <F017FCB3-D279-43D3-A3B8-4449117CDD03@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <990218.54927.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<65229FB9-E798-433E-BBFC-270A3426C6A6@looktowindward.com>
	<F017FCB3-D279-43D3-A3B8-4449117CDD03@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <986D4F52-B642-4D8A-BC00-8F69AF93E295@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Here are the two functions (adapted from Sarah's stack), sorry, I  
should have copied them before. When I run my code I get a "failure"  
node that's ok and a "failure" more that's empty - the second call  
overwrites the data of the first.

Any idea's?

Thanks a lot for your time
All the Best
Dave

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-----
--
--  UtilXMLNewElement
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-----
function UtilXMLNewElement theDocumentID,theParent,theTag,theData
   local mySubNode
   local myTag

   put UtilXMLCheckTag(theTag) into myTag
   revAddXMLNode theDocumentID,theParent,myTag,theData
   put the result into mySubNode
   if word 1 of mySubNode contains "xmlErr" then return false

   return true
end UtilXMLNewElement



------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-----
--
--  UtilXMLNewAttribute
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-----
function UtilXMLNewAttribute theDocumentID,theParent,theTag,theData
   local mySubNode
   local myTag

   put UtilXMLCheckTag(theTag) into myTag
   revSetXMLAttribute theDocumentID,theParent,myTag,theData
   put the result into mySubNode
   if word 1 of mySubNode contains "xmlErr" then return false

   return true
end UtilXMLNewAttribute



On 29 May 2007, at 13:16, Ian Wood wrote:

>
> On 29 May 2007, at 13:04, Dave wrote:
>
>> I've been playing around and got to the point where I can add  
>> nodes etc. However I need to generate lots of "Failure" nodes.  
>> When I run the following code, only the second node gets added.  
>> How can I add multiple nodes?
>
> What is "UtilXMLNewElement"? I'm assuming that it's some function  
> of your own, as it's not a Rev function.
>
> I've successfully used the following inside a repeat structure,  
> where treeID is the ID of the XML tree:
>
> ====================================
>
> revAddXMLNode treeID,  tAssetsNode, "asset", ""
> put the result into tItemNode
> checkforerror tItemNode
> revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "id_number", char 2 to 4 of  
> numAssets
> revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "main_title", the main_title  
> of tControl
> revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "asset_path", the asset_path  
> of tControl
> revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "artist_name", the  
> artist_name of tControl
> revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "x", text of fld "x" of stack  
> "position"
> revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "y", text of fld "y" of stack  
> "position"
> revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "wall", text of fld "wall" of  
> stack "position"
> revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "pan", text of fld "pan" of  
> stack "position"
> revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "hFOV", text of fld "hFOV" of  
> stack "position"
> revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "hOffset", text of fld  
> "hOffset" of stack "position"
> revSetXMLAttribute treeID, tItemNode, "vOffset", text of fld  
> "vOffset" of stack "position"
>
> ====================================
>
> Ian
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From mark at maseurope.net  Tue May 29 08:42:52 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:42:52 +0100
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
In-Reply-To: <D8FD9AF4-A873-4747-A34A-BD84CF32895D@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <465BCCCC.20802@fourthworld.com>
	<00bd01c7a1c0$6f44ef90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<FCEF810D-4D46-48FD-830A-C4BEB09A6ADD@maseurope.net>
	<004501c7a1df$61208a90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<004a01c7a1e0$156c16e0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<D8FD9AF4-A873-4747-A34A-BD84CF32895D@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EA4BB369-9B3F-420F-B837-0818B84266BA@maseurope.net>

My guess is exactly that they're trying it on. The list of patents  
they have on their page doesn't seem to cover anything to do with  
meta-data - it's all to do with audio compression and so-on. ID3 is  
actually nothing at all to do with MP3, was developed independently  
of MP3, and anyway, if they come after me I'll just throw a spare 1.5  
billion dollars at them. :)


On 29 May 2007, at 12:10, Ian Wood wrote:

> Did they give you the patent number at any time? Otherwise it  
> sounds suspiciously like someone trying it on. :-(
>
> A quick look through via Google patent search doesn't appear to  
> show anything covering MP3 ID3 tags themselves, just some of the  
> potential *uses* of them.
>



From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 29 08:45:35 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:45:35 +1000
Subject: [ANN] id3libv1.0.0
References: <465BCCCC.20802@fourthworld.com><00bd01c7a1c0$6f44ef90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><FCEF810D-4D46-48FD-830A-C4BEB09A6ADD@maseurope.net><004501c7a1df$61208a90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><004a01c7a1e0$156c16e0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><D8FD9AF4-A873-4747-A34A-BD84CF32895D@azurevision.co.uk>
	<EA4BB369-9B3F-420F-B837-0818B84266BA@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <007401c7a1ef$434353d0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> My guess is exactly that they're trying it on. The list of patents  they 
> have on their page doesn't seem to cover anything to do with  meta-data - 
> it's all to do with audio compression and so-on. ID3 is  actually nothing 
> at all to do with MP3, was developed independently  of MP3, and anyway, if 
> they come after me I'll just throw a spare 1.5  billion dollars at them. 
> :)

LOL.  Yeah - I know what you mean, but in my case I had to have the 
clearance to get artist clients listed on the bigger MP3 directories.

Scott 



From runr at prismpole.com  Tue May 29 08:47:00 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:47:00 -0400
Subject: Cannot exit to top in modal
Message-ID: <0862a4ec9fdf1f332a233b5a6dcd1eae@prismpole.com>

Hi Martin,

 > Are you finding that it is only "exit to top" that is ignored?
 > In my (quick) test here I found that in the modal, no statements
 > after close stack were executed, as if close stack, when
 > encountered in a modal, immediately stops execution of the
 > running handler.

interesting... I just checked again.  Statements after the
'close stack' statement do execute.  But once the handler
gets to 'exit to top' no further statements in *that*
handler execute.  Unfortunately, statements in the handler
that called the modal do continue to execute.

--Michael Binder



From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue May 29 08:58:28 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:58:28 +0100
Subject: More XML Confusion?
In-Reply-To: <986D4F52-B642-4D8A-BC00-8F69AF93E295@looktowindward.com>
References: <990218.54927.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<65229FB9-E798-433E-BBFC-270A3426C6A6@looktowindward.com>
	<F017FCB3-D279-43D3-A3B8-4449117CDD03@azurevision.co.uk>
	<986D4F52-B642-4D8A-BC00-8F69AF93E295@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <C772F0CF-086C-485A-987C-4F9BDB75A93A@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Found it! I was passing in a hard-wired "parent" node instead of  
using the one returned by revAddXMLNode. The path name gets changed  
when you add multiple Nodes so that it becomes "failure[1]", "failure 
[2]", etc.

Thanks a lot for your Help
All the Best
Dave





From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue May 29 09:00:14 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:00:14 +0200
Subject: Free size of different volume?
In-Reply-To: <465B52EE.1070804@fourthworld.com>
References: <465B52EE.1070804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <20070529150014451276.4bfb5b4f@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 28 May 2007 15:08:46 -0700, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> 
> The diskSpace function returns the free space of the drive the app is 
> running from.  I have an installer that runs from a CD, and I need to 
> get the avialable size of the destination volume.

Actually, the docs say that it gets the free space of where the 
defaultFolder is, so I assume if you point the defaultFolder to the 
other drive and ask for diskSpace you'll get the right values.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue May 29 09:04:27 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:04:27 +0200
Subject: revSpeak with 2.8.1 
Message-ID: <7739B8D7-05C9-473F-BFBA-25AB5FF7CBB0@ezpzapps.com>

I just made a very simple standalone to test revSpeak on WIndows
(Same stack tested and works fine on OS X).

I made sure it included the revspeech.dll option when building the  
standalone,
it was in the Externals folder.

Has two buttons...

on mouseUp
revSpeak "Hello world"
end mouseUp

another that stops speech & unloads.


This WIndows machine works with revspeak on Rev 2.6.1
Does not work with Rev 2.8.1


Does anyone have a Rev 2.8.1 WIndows standalone that does revSpeak?

Maybe this is a new bug?

Jim Sims
Custom Software Development
www.EZPZapps.com




From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Tue May 29 09:14:26 2007
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:14:26 +0000
Subject: revSpeak with 2.8.1
Message-ID: <0002910E.465C4351@192.168.168.3>

Hi,

i tested here with Studio 2.81 build 470 under Windows XP. Standalone works with revspeak.

Matthias


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: revSpeak with 2.8.1 (29-Mai-2007 15:06)
From:    Jim Sims <sims at ezpzapps.com>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> I just made a very simple standalone to test revSpeak on WIndows
> (Same stack tested and works fine on OS X).
> 
> I made sure it included the revspeech.dll option when building the  
> standalone,
> it was in the Externals folder.
> 
> Has two buttons...
> 
> on mouseUp
> revSpeak "Hello world"
> end mouseUp
> 
> another that stops speech & unloads.
> 
> 
> This WIndows machine works with revspeak on Rev 2.6.1
> Does not work with Rev 2.8.1
> 
> 
> Does anyone have a Rev 2.8.1 WIndows standalone that does revSpeak?
> 
> Maybe this is a new bug?
> 
> Jim Sims
> Custom Software Development
> www.EZPZapps.com
> 
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Tue May 29 09:44:47 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:44:47 -0400
Subject: revSpeak with 2.8.1
In-Reply-To: <7739B8D7-05C9-473F-BFBA-25AB5FF7CBB0@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <OF0239A6A8.94E16740-ON852572EA.004B43CA-852572EA.004A73BA@sealedair.com>

Jim Sims wrote:
> Does anyone have a Rev 2.8.1 WIndows standalone that does revSpeak?
> Maybe this is a new bug?
>
> Jim Sims

I copied and pasted your simple revSpeak "Hello World" into a button. I
then built a standalone with 2.8.1. It works on my machine (WinXP SP2).

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Tue May 29 09:40:23 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:40:23 +0200
Subject: revSpeak with 2.8.1 
In-Reply-To: <7739B8D7-05C9-473F-BFBA-25AB5FF7CBB0@ezpzapps.com>
References: <7739B8D7-05C9-473F-BFBA-25AB5FF7CBB0@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <245DB6EB-5EF5-4B46-BBBE-999D35E1E76E@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Sims,

Some dlls with 2.8 *must* be in the exe folder to run (it is the case  
with libeay and ssleay but should not with revSpeak...)
Have you tried to test the result (answer the result): it could you  
give a clue:
 From the docs: If text to speech is not available on the current  
system, the revSpeak command sets the result function to an error  
message.
  ;-)

Le 29 mai 07 ? 15:04, Jim Sims a ?crit :

> I just made a very simple standalone to test revSpeak on WIndows
> (Same stack tested and works fine on OS X).
>
> I made sure it included the revspeech.dll option when building the  
> standalone,
> it was in the Externals folder.


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
----------------------------------------------------------------




From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue May 29 09:59:18 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:59:18 +0200
Subject: revSpeak with 2.8.1 
Message-ID: <18D44FD1-0C7A-423A-8C4F-6C71D671F894@ezpzapps.com>

Thanks all who answered.

Looks like I am back to user machine problems.   ;-)

sims

On May 29, 2007, at 4:00 PM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:


>> Also, if you would, please try this for me:
>>
>> http://ezpzapps.com/WindowsSpeakText.zip
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> sims
>>
>
> "I was riding on the mayflower..."  It speaks just fine.
> However, unless I click your "Stop Speak Text" button -TWICE-, it  
> will not
> speak again.
>
> Thanks.
> ~Roger




From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Tue May 29 10:26:05 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:26:05 +0100
Subject: Cannot exit to top in modal
In-Reply-To: <0862a4ec9fdf1f332a233b5a6dcd1eae@prismpole.com>
References: <0862a4ec9fdf1f332a233b5a6dcd1eae@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <465C37FD.7030503@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Michael Binder wrote:
> Hi Martin,
> 
>  > Are you finding that it is only "exit to top" that is ignored?
>  > In my (quick) test here I found that in the modal, no statements
>  > after close stack were executed, as if close stack, when
>  > encountered in a modal, immediately stops execution of the
>  > running handler.
> 
> interesting... I just checked again.  Statements after the
> 'close stack' statement do execute.  But once the handler
> gets to 'exit to top' no further statements in *that*
> handler execute.  Unfortunately, statements in the handler
> that called the modal do continue to execute.
> 
> --Michael Binder
> 

Well, I checked again and there was a flaw in my previous test, so I now 
see exactly the same as you report above. Basically the modal stack 
itself seems to be the boundary of the universe as far as "exit to top" 
is concerned. This sounds like what Ben Rubinstein was referring to 
earlier when he described modals as akin to separate threads.

Ben Rubinstein wrote:
> This is a real problem. Although we normally say that Rev doesn't do 
> threading, effectively there is a kind of threading going on with
> modal stacks, such that 'exit to top' exits the processing going on
> in the open modal stack - but doesn't affect the processing of the
> 'underneath' script that was suspended when it executed the 'modal'
> statement.

Martin Baxter


From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Tue May 29 10:40:21 2007
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:40:21 -0400
Subject: shell command problem
Message-ID: <017B34E9-65D1-49FD-A69A-81A6C13B9FAE@comcast.net>

Can someone guide me in the correct use of the shell command on OSX.

I have an app called "iRed" which comes with a command line  
application that I copied to the bin folder on my machine and from a  
terminal window I can execute the following "ired -send "Robosapien  
V2" "D" which works great. iRed is a program that can send IR codes  
via a USB device called "irTrans" to my Robosapien V2 robot.

Everything works fine from within iRed controlling the robot.
Everything works fine from the terminal window.
Everything also works fine using an applescript:
try
	tell application "iRed" to send ir Code "D" of RC "Robosapien V2"
on error
	beep
end try

& Everything also works storing the applescript in a custom prop in  
REV and then DOing the applescript.

The only thing I can't seem to figure out is how to run a command  
line directly from within REV. The docs say if I am having trouble to  
try the command line directly in a terminal window and it does indeed  
work fine.

----

I have tried to set the shellcommand to "/bin/ired" with no result.

This is my script:
ON mouseUp
     put field "myControl2" into tControl
     IF tControl is not "" THEN
         put the shellcommand into tShellPath
         set the shellcommand to "/bin/ired"
         shell (field "myControl2")
         -- put quote & "ired - send " & quote & "Robosapien V2" &  
quote & " " & Quote & "D" & Quote into tred
         -- shell (tred)
         set the shellcommand to tShellPath
     ELSE
         revspeak "OH OH"
     END IF
END mouseUp


This is the error I keep getting:
Tue, 29 May 2007 10:37:43 -0400

Chunk: can't set property
Object: button id 1043 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/iRed/ 
Robosapien.rev"
location: Line 943 Char 24

Object: does not have this property
Object: button id 1043 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/iRed/ 
Robosapien.rev"
location: Line 943 Char 13

put: error in expression
Object: button id 1043 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/iRed/ 
Robosapien.rev"
location: Line 943 Char 1
Processing: mouseUp

Chunk: can't set property
Object: button id 1043 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/iRed/ 
Robosapien.rev"
location: Line 943 Char 24

Object: does not have this property
Object: button id 1043 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/iRed/ 
Robosapien.rev"
location: Line 943 Char 13

put: error in expression
Object: button id 1043 of card id 1002 of stack "/Applications/iRed/ 
Robosapien.rev"
location: Line 943 Char 1




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 29 10:50:07 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 07:50:07 -0700
Subject: Free size of different volume?
Message-ID: <465C3D9F.5050706@fourthworld.com>

Ken Ray wrote:

> On Mon, 28 May 2007 15:08:46 -0700, Richard Gaskin wrote: 
>> The diskSpace function returns the free space of the drive the app is 
>> running from.  I have an installer that runs from a CD, and I need to 
>> get the avialable size of the destination volume.
> 
> Actually, the docs say that it gets the free space of where the 
> defaultFolder is, so I assume if you point the defaultFolder to the 
> other drive and ask for diskSpace you'll get the right values.

Or so I had thought, but I can't seem to get that to work - here's a test:

on mouseUp
   put the defaultFolder into tDir
   set the defaultfolder to "/Volumes/util/"
   if the result is not empty then
     answer the result
     exit to top
   end if
   get the diskspace
   put it &cr& the defaultFolder
end mouseUp


When I run this I get the amount of free space on the drive the app is 
running from, even though the defaultFolder shows the path to the other 
volume as I'd expect.

If someone will verify that I'll file a bug report.

In the meantime, anyone have the shell calls handy to get this info?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue May 29 10:54:52 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:54:52 -0500
Subject: revSpeak with 2.8.1
In-Reply-To: <7739B8D7-05C9-473F-BFBA-25AB5FF7CBB0@ezpzapps.com>
References: <7739B8D7-05C9-473F-BFBA-25AB5FF7CBB0@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <465C3EBC.9090503@siboneylg.com>

What version of Windows are you running?  What version of TTS on 
Windows?  Microsoft, in their infinite wisdom, changed the Speech API 
between 4 and 5.  Revolution currently defaults to version 5.  If you 
don't have version 5 installed, you need to replace revspeech.dll with 
revspeechsapi4.dll (renamed to revspeech.dll), or upgrade to TTS version 5.

revspeechsapi4.dll can be found in Runtime\Windows\x86-32\Externals in 
version prior to 2.8.1.

Jim Sims wrote:
> I just made a very simple standalone to test revSpeak on WIndows
> (Same stack tested and works fine on OS X).
>
> I made sure it included the revspeech.dll option when building the 
> standalone,
> it was in the Externals folder.
>
> Has two buttons...
>
> on mouseUp
> revSpeak "Hello world"
> end mouseUp
>
> another that stops speech & unloads.
>
>
> This WIndows machine works with revspeak on Rev 2.6.1
> Does not work with Rev 2.8.1
>
>
> Does anyone have a Rev 2.8.1 WIndows standalone that does revSpeak?
>
> Maybe this is a new bug?
>
> Jim Sims
> Custom Software Development
> www.EZPZapps.com
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Tue May 29 10:59:57 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:59:57 +0200
Subject: Free size of different volume?
In-Reply-To: <465C3D9F.5050706@fourthworld.com>
References: <465C3D9F.5050706@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <6F1D7700-3866-4FA3-B394-99B19CD982E5@ezpzapps.com>


On May 29, 2007, at 4:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> In the meantime, anyone have the shell calls handy to get this info?

This help?


On OS X I used  df -k -l

Jim-Sims-Computer:~ jimsims$ df -k -l
Filesystem   1K-blocks     Used    Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/disk0s3  78019632 36487456 41276176    47%    /
Jim-Sims-Computer:~ jimsims$


ciao,
sims





From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May 29 11:06:10 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:06:10 -0500
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <CC3279F2-CD76-413F-9092-79B95DE1EDF8@cox.net>
References: <C27DCC7B.24916%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<EE9A0675-0CA9-4C8A-9C35-C6573EA4D2E8@cox.net>
	<7aa52a210705282009v1f7a2410y126b54446b44da2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<CC3279F2-CD76-413F-9092-79B95DE1EDF8@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705290806u3a81633dv998f461606958859@mail.gmail.com>

Joe,

One of the great things about Rev, is you can program at whatever
complexity level you feel comfortable with.

I have a number of 'black box' functions and handlers, that even I
can't easily make sense of as they were programmed years ago and do
layers of image compositing and pixel offsetting to create my own
bitmapped fonts. Since they are encapsulated in functions, I can use
them with a simple call. In fact, I have quite a few libraries like
this, which are basically 'wrappers' around much more complicated
code.

That's the beauty of it all. You can use a handler or function in such
a way you don't need to understand the inner workings of it, only how
it's called--and what it returns.

In fact Ken Ray has such a library available now for public
consumption. It's called Revolution stdLib and has some simple and not
so simple handlers and functions. The full list of functions/commands
is at the following Wiki page on the Sons of Thunder web
site:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.RevolutionStdLib

Even though you may not understand the how of the functions, I imagine
you would be able to use them.

Another great example is libURL which comes with Rev and is written
entirely with Transcript. It allows you to connect to the internet and
access web and ftp servers. I doubt many can fully understand the
genius which Dave Cragg has created there, but we all use it every
day.

-Chipp

On 5/28/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:

> If this is the
> evolving direction of Rev, it is the wrong one. Just MHO.


From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 29 11:07:37 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 01:07:37 +1000
Subject: Free size of different volume?
References: <465C3D9F.5050706@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <00ba01c7a203$1a448c10$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> on mouseUp
>   put the defaultFolder into tDir
>   set the defaultfolder to "/Volumes/util/"
>   if the result is not empty then
>     answer the result
>     exit to top
>   end if
>   get the diskspace
>   put it &cr& the defaultFolder
> end mouseUp

It's working here for 2.70 on XP SP 2.   I specify D:/Downloads and get the 
correct free space in bytes for the drive.

Scott 



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 29 11:18:21 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:18:21 -0700
Subject: Build for Classic
Message-ID: <465C443D.9080601@fourthworld.com>

Richmond wrote:

 > in fact, until lots of people stop using the following
 > operating systems we need to keep hammering ar
 > RunRev's doors

It seems the hammer has already made sufficient noise; perhaps Judy 
missed Kevin's post on this from the 21st:

    ...we promised one final classic version to our users
    some time ago.  2.7.5 was the version this was to be
    in and this has been renamed to 2.9. We didn't promise
    this within a specific timescale and we made a public
    announcement to the effect that 2.7.5 has been renamed 2.9.

    It remains our intention to do a classic build with 2.9.
    That was the last public statement we made on this.

    There is a caveat with the classic build. We have encountered
    technical problems working with the classic port we didn't
    expect when we made the original announcement. We looked at
    this not too long ago and because of changes we have made
    its become much more difficult to update the port.  So there
    is a risk that when we work on classic for 2.9, it will prove
    impossible. We are unable to devote weeks of engineering to
    resolving any "impossible" problem relating to this port.

    I can promise you though that will make a solid attempt to
    produce a workable classic version for 2.9 within a
    reasonable engineering timeframe.

    If we can't, it will be because the engineering issues have
    become insurmountable since the point at which we resolved
    to do this.  In which case we would make an announcement of
    that with a full explanation at the time. Hopefully though
    the engineers will be able to resolve this issue within a
    reasonable period of time and we will do a successful final
    build, fulfill our obligation and move on.

The full text of his post is available at:
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-May/098188.html>

Whether or not RunRev is able to deliver a new build for Classic, to 
their credit they have updated their Classic engine more recently than 
Apple has updated that OS itself.

The one thing we know about Classic is that it's not a moving target. 
It's frozen in time, and if the Rev Classic engine became frozen as well 
the v2.6.1 engine would continue to run there in perpetuity.

Many of the features added since v2.6.1 involve things that aren't 
relevant to Classic anyway, relating to compositing, Vista, Universal 
Binary, etc.  And even if a new Classic build becomes available, it 
won't be but a few weeks until the version after that, meaning we'll be 
back where we are right now, using an older version for Classic and the 
current one for everything else.

So looking at the big picture, where we are at the moment is close to 
the very best we might expect for the future, and not all that bad.  The 
last Rev engine for Classic continues to run there, and will as long as 
the OS does.

Some have expressed a desire to see at least some bug fixes implemented 
for the Classic engine, and while that's certainly a healthy goal the 
v2.6.1 engine was among the most solid builds the company ever product 
so the bug count is relatively low, and we have yet to hear of how any 
specific bugs are affecting specific projects.

If there are specific issues affecting delivery in Classic, it would be 
helpful to note them here so the folks on this list can help find 
alternate solutions to keep these projects on track.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May 29 11:22:45 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:22:45 -0700
Subject: altID
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705290806u3a81633dv998f461606958859@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C27DCC7B.24916%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<EE9A0675-0CA9-4C8A-9C35-C6573EA4D2E8@cox.net>
	<7aa52a210705282009v1f7a2410y126b54446b44da2b@mail.gmail.com>
	<CC3279F2-CD76-413F-9092-79B95DE1EDF8@cox.net>
	<7aa52a210705290806u3a81633dv998f461606958859@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A89D5609-7EF7-44F4-9DC1-2972593A7C0B@cox.net>

Chipp,

Of course, you're right. Even in Assembler we used functions and,  
dare I call them APIs, the ROM calls in the original Macs to do a  
whole host of things that were far beyond most of us who ventured  
into the mysteries of programming; but I think that kind of stuff  
should remain as "black box" things into which we normal human beings  
need not dip, or really understand, except for the Interface - the  
results and the parameters.

We really need to keep Rev, as used by most of us, "simple" and fully  
comprehensible.

Thanks for your time and consideration,

Joe Wilkins

On May 29, 2007, at 8:06 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Joe,
>
> One of the great things about Rev, is you can program at whatever
> complexity level you feel comfortable with.
>
> I have a number of 'black box' functions and handlers, that even I
> can't easily make sense of as they were programmed years ago and do
> layers of image compositing and pixel offsetting to create my own
> bitmapped fonts. Since they are encapsulated in functions, I can use
> them with a simple call. In fact, I have quite a few libraries like
> this, which are basically 'wrappers' around much more complicated
> code.
>
> That's the beauty of it all. You can use a handler or function in such
> a way you don't need to understand the inner workings of it, only how
> it's called--and what it returns.
>
> In fact Ken Ray has such a library available now for public
> consumption. It's called Revolution stdLib and has some simple and not
> so simple handlers and functions. The full list of functions/commands
> is at the following Wiki page on the Sons of Thunder web
> site:
>
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.RevolutionStdLib
>
> Even though you may not understand the how of the functions, I imagine
> you would be able to use them.
>
> Another great example is libURL which comes with Rev and is written
> entirely with Transcript. It allows you to connect to the internet and
> access web and ftp servers. I doubt many can fully understand the
> genius which Dave Cragg has created there, but we all use it every
> day.
>
> -Chipp
>
> On 5/28/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> If this is the
>> evolving direction of Rev, it is the wrong one. Just MHO.
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 29 11:35:21 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 08:35:21 -0700
Subject: Free size of different volume?
Message-ID: <465C4839.6090103@fourthworld.com>

Scott Kane wrote:

>> on mouseUp
>>   put the defaultFolder into tDir
>>   set the defaultfolder to "/Volumes/util/"
>>   if the result is not empty then
>>     answer the result
>>     exit to top
>>   end if
>>   get the diskspace
>>   put it &cr& the defaultFolder
>> end mouseUp
> 
> It's working here for 2.70 on XP SP 2.   I specify D:/Downloads and get the 
> correct free space in bytes for the drive.

Indeed it does.  So this issue seems to affect OS X only.

If someone here will be kind enough to verify the bug in OS X I'll post 
the bug report.

Thanks in advance -

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From 00bioarchimed at free.fr  Tue May 29 11:48:45 2007
From: 00bioarchimed at free.fr (Thierry)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:48:45 +0200
Subject: shell command problem
In-Reply-To: <017B34E9-65D1-49FD-A69A-81A6C13B9FAE@comcast.net>
References: <017B34E9-65D1-49FD-A69A-81A6C13B9FAE@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3B428740-AFA0-4095-9A50-F0568509264A@free.fr>


Hi  Thomas ,

You have to read the result of the shell() function.

get shell(...) or
put shell(...) into x

HTH
Thierry

> Can someone guide me in the correct use of the shell command on OSX.
>
>
> I have tried to set the shellcommand to "/bin/ired" with no result.
>
> This is my script:
> ON mouseUp
>     put field "myControl2" into tControl
>     IF tControl is not "" THEN
>         put the shellcommand into tShellPath
>         set the shellcommand to "/bin/ired"
>         shell (field "myControl2")
>         -- put quote & "ired - send " & quote & "Robosapien V2" &  
> quote & " " & Quote & "D" & Quote into tred
>         -- shell (tred)
>         set the shellcommand to tShellPath
>     ELSE
>         revspeak "OH OH"
>     END IF
> END mouseUp
>



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 29 11:51:56 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:51:56 +0100
Subject: Free size of different volume?
In-Reply-To: <465C4839.6090103@fourthworld.com>
References: <465C4839.6090103@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3D57CDD5-4946-4595-A1EE-D2E5FD489C9D@azurevision.co.uk>

On 29 May 2007, at 16:35, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Indeed it does.  So this issue seems to affect OS X only.
>
> If someone here will be kind enough to verify the bug in OS X I'll  
> post the bug report.

I can confirm that it's returning the free space on the volume  
containing the app, *not* the volume containing the defaultfolder.

Rev 2.8.1, OS X 10.4.8 PPC.

Ian


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue May 29 12:34:02 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:34:02 -0700
Subject: MP3 Patents, was id3libv1.0.0
In-Reply-To: <00bd01c7a1c0$6f44ef90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <465BCCCC.20802@fourthworld.com>
	<00bd01c7a1c0$6f44ef90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <p06240801c28200ffa0ee@[192.168.1.103]>

The below "chilling effects" link was from 1998. Those guys wanted to 
charge a hefty per-song fee as well then. Yeah, right.

  That was a long time ago, and there are a lot more shareware out 
there still using MP3 encoding. What about LAME?

Also if Fraunhoffer patented the process in the 80's or 90's, 
remember that patents granted before 1995 only have 17 years before 
expiring, which could be Real Soon Now.

Interestingly, Fraunhoffer are giving away music and CROSS PLATFORM 
(including LINUX) players for 5.1 SURROUND!! SDKs, too. Their 
encoding software is all command-line (therefore a possible Rev 
project!).

http://www.all4mp3.com/





>From: "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>
>>Patented, eh?  Does the patent holder explicitly allow third 
>>parties to read and write to that part of the proprietary MP3 file 
>>format, or can we expect them to pull a bait-and-switch down the 
>>road like CompuServe did with GIF?
>
>They are already pulling.  MS, Apple etc pay them royalties now and 
>anybody reading and writing to and from the file is expected to do 
>the same.  They have attempted to go after some of the freeware 
>tools and have gone after several smaller commercial developers.
>
>Take a look here:
>
>http://www.chillingeffects.org/patent/notice.cgi?NoticeID=464
>
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue May 29 12:53:29 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:53:29 +0200
Subject: shell command problem
In-Reply-To: <017B34E9-65D1-49FD-A69A-81A6C13B9FAE@comcast.net>
References: <017B34E9-65D1-49FD-A69A-81A6C13B9FAE@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A1F08C18-E87C-4EAF-9BD5-8F5D94ED3FA5@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Thomas,

I get "handler not found" instead of "can't set property". At which  
line exactly does the error occur? Why don't you have hints in your  
error message? The hint line contains important information about the  
cause of the problem.

Have you tried executing the foloowing line?

put shell("/bin/iRed" && fld "myControl2")

If this doesn't work, either the command line utility is not where  
you think you have put it or the contents of the field is incorrect.  
If it does work, something is wrong with your script.

Best,

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 29-mei-2007, om 16:40 heeft Thomas McGrath III het volgende  
geschreven:

> Can someone guide me in the correct use of the shell command on OSX.
>
> I have an app called "iRed" which comes with a command line  
> application that I copied to the bin folder on my machine and from  
> a terminal window I can execute the following "ired -send  
> "Robosapien V2" "D" which works great. iRed is a program that can  
> send IR codes via a USB device called "irTrans" to my Robosapien V2  
> robot.
>
> Everything works fine from within iRed controlling the robot.
> Everything works fine from the terminal window.
> Everything also works fine using an applescript:
> try
> 	tell application "iRed" to send ir Code "D" of RC "Robosapien V2"
> on error
> 	beep
> end try
>
> & Everything also works storing the applescript in a custom prop in  
> REV and then DOing the applescript.
>
> The only thing I can't seem to figure out is how to run a command  
> line directly from within REV. The docs say if I am having trouble  
> to try the command line directly in a terminal window and it does  
> indeed work fine.

<snip script & errors>



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue May 29 13:07:03 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:07:03 -0700
Subject: Free size of different volume?
In-Reply-To: <3D57CDD5-4946-4595-A1EE-D2E5FD489C9D@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C281ABC7.26BD1%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Ian Wood wrote:

>> If someone here will be kind enough to verify the bug in OS X I'll
>> post the bug report.
> 
> I can confirm that it's returning the free space on the volume
> containing the app, *not* the volume containing the defaultfolder.

Like Ken, I assumed changing the defaultfolder would change the result, but
it doesn't.  Seems to be the same issue here.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Tue May 29 13:14:07 2007
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:14:07 +0000
Subject: Sorting lines 
Message-ID: <00029112.465C7B7E@192.168.168.3>

Hi, 

i have textfile, which contains data. Each line of this text file contains serveral values, which are separated by ;.
Each line has the  same number of values. My problems is, that i have to sort the lines by one of the values, in this case by the value of the 4th field.


My textfile looks something like this. There are about 42 fields per line.

320;4999;219,Peter;329;366
1000;999;10101;Mark;211;555
2;214;25;Peter;212:667
2;213;13;Josh;215;666
3;23;14;Mark;0;0
and so on


I have to sort the textfile by the 4th value (the names). I need all lines with the same name in field4 one below the other - similar like this:

2;213;13;Josh;215;666
3;23;14;Mark;0;0
1000;999;10101;Mark;211;555
2;214;25;Peter;212:667
320;4999;219,Peter;329;366

How should i solve this? 

I hope i described it a little understandable.

Regards,

Matthias




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue May 29 13:17:59 2007
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:17:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sorting lines 
In-Reply-To: <00029112.465C7B7E@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <211717.46531.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com>

--- runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
> Hi, 
> 
> i have textfile, which contains data. Each line of
> this text file contains serveral values, which are
> separated by ;.
> Each line has the  same number of values. My
> problems is, that i have to sort the lines by one of
> the values, in this case by the value of the 4th
> field.
> 
> 
> My textfile looks something like this. There are
> about 42 fields per line.
> 
> 320;4999;219,Peter;329;366
> 1000;999;10101;Mark;211;555
> 2;214;25;Peter;212:667
> 2;213;13;Josh;215;666
> 3;23;14;Mark;0;0
> and so on
> 
> 
> I have to sort the textfile by the 4th value (the
> names). I need all lines with the same name in
> field4 one below the other - similar like this:
> 
> 2;213;13;Josh;215;666
> 3;23;14;Mark;0;0
> 1000;999;10101;Mark;211;555
> 2;214;25;Peter;212:667
> 320;4999;219,Peter;329;366
> 
> How should i solve this? 
> 
> I hope i described it a little understandable.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 

Hi Matthias,

Try the following:
##
set the itemDelimiter to ";"
sort lines of tVariable by item 4 of each
##

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From got at mindspring.com  Tue May 29 13:22:34 2007
From: got at mindspring.com (Gordon Tillman)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:22:34 -0500
Subject: Sorting lines 
In-Reply-To: <00029112.465C7B7E@192.168.168.3>
References: <00029112.465C7B7E@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <FB675C46-5E68-4016-BB5B-093ABA8BC667@mindspring.com>

Howdy Matthias,


On May 29, 2007, at 12:14, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i have textfile, which contains data. Each line of this text file  
> contains serveral values, which are separated by ;.
> Each line has the  same number of values. My problems is, that i  
> have to sort the lines by one of the values, in this case by the  
> value of the 4th field.
>
>
> My textfile looks something like this. There are about 42 fields  
> per line.
>
> 320;4999;219,Peter;329;366
> 1000;999;10101;Mark;211;555
> 2;214;25;Peter;212:667
> 2;213;13;Josh;215;666
> 3;23;14;Mark;0;0
> and so on
>
>
> I have to sort the textfile by the 4th value (the names). I need  
> all lines with the same name in field4 one below the other -  
> similar like this:

just read the contents of the file into a variable.  then do  
something like this (suppose the variable "tlines" has the data from  
the file):

set the itemDelimiter to ";"
sort lines of tlines by item 4 of each

Then write it back out to the file.

--gordy



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 29 13:23:22 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:23:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Build for Classic
In-Reply-To: <465C443D.9080601@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705291021400.28916-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hi Richard,

Well, my intention was not to hammer etc. but simply to respond (late as
it was).

Yes, I had seen Kevin's encouraging post, but not by the time of my
chiming in (as I read my bulk of messages in earliest -> latest mode).

Judy

On Tue, 29 May 2007, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Richmond wrote:
>
>  > in fact, until lots of people stop using the following
>  > operating systems we need to keep hammering ar
>  > RunRev's doors
>
> It seems the hammer has already made sufficient noise; perhaps Judy
> missed Kevin's post on this from the 21st:



From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Tue May 29 13:43:15 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:43:15 -0400
Subject: Free size of different volume?
In-Reply-To: <465C4839.6090103@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <OF90D79896.EFBF48FE-ON852572EA.006084A2-852572EA.0060488B@sealedair.com>

First, Scott Kane wrote:
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   put the defaultFolder into tDir
>>>   set the defaultfolder to "/Volumes/util/"

Then, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> It's working here for 2.70 on XP SP 2.   I specify D:/Downloads and get
the
>> correct free space in bytes for the drive.
>
> Indeed it does.  So this issue seems to affect OS X only.
>
> If someone here will be kind enough to verify the bug in OS X I'll post
> the bug report.

Are we certain that this is abnormal behavior? On OS X, /Volumes/util/ is
still on the SAME 'DRIVE' as other /Volumes/places/. Sure they show up as
different disks, but they aren't really. On Windows, Drive C: and Drive
<any other letter>: really are different physical devices (unless they are
network shares mapped to a drive letter).

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Tue May 29 13:39:05 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:39:05 +0100
Subject: Sorting lines
In-Reply-To: <211717.46531.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <211717.46531.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <465C6539.6080907@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Jan Schenkel wrote:
> --- runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
>> Hi, 
>>
>> i have textfile, which contains data. Each line of
>> this text file contains serveral values, which are
>> separated by ;.
>> Each line has the  same number of values. My
>> problems is, that i have to sort the lines by one of
>> the values, in this case by the value of the 4th
>> field.
>>
>>
>> My textfile looks something like this. There are
>> about 42 fields per line.
>>
>> 320;4999;219,Peter;329;366
>> 1000;999;10101;Mark;211;555
>> 2;214;25;Peter;212:667
>> 2;213;13;Josh;215;666
>> 3;23;14;Mark;0;0
>> and so on
>>
>>
>> I have to sort the textfile by the 4th value (the
>> names). I need all lines with the same name in
>> field4 one below the other - similar like this:
>>
>> 2;213;13;Josh;215;666
>> 3;23;14;Mark;0;0
>> 1000;999;10101;Mark;211;555
>> 2;214;25;Peter;212:667
>> 320;4999;219,Peter;329;366
>>
>> How should i solve this? 
>>
>> I hope i described it a little understandable.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Matthias
>>
> 
> Hi Matthias,
> 
> Try the following:
> ##
> set the itemDelimiter to ";"
> sort lines of tVariable by item 4 of each
> ##
> 
> Hope this helped,
> 
> Jan Schenkel.

Erm, this doesn't seem to work here in 2.8.1 on win XP. The 
itemdelimiter appears to be ignored.

Martin Baxter


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 29 13:56:11 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:56:11 -0700
Subject: Free size of different volume?
Message-ID: <465C693B.9000904@fourthworld.com>

Roger.E.Eller wrote:
> First, Scott Kane wrote:
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>   put the defaultFolder into tDir
>>>>   set the defaultfolder to "/Volumes/util/"
> 
> Then, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> It's working here for 2.70 on XP SP 2.   I specify D:/Downloads and get
> the
>>> correct free space in bytes for the drive.
>>
>> Indeed it does.  So this issue seems to affect OS X only.
>>
>> If someone here will be kind enough to verify the bug in OS X I'll post
>> the bug report.
> 
> Are we certain that this is abnormal behavior? On OS X, /Volumes/util/ is
> still on the SAME 'DRIVE' as other /Volumes/places/. Sure they show up as
> different disks, but they aren't really. On Windows, Drive C: and Drive
> <any other letter>: really are different physical devices (unless they are
> network shares mapped to a drive letter).

That's a good thought.  In the case I'd first tested, "util" is indeed a 
partition rather than a separate physical device.

While not a different physical drive, "util" is a separate volume and 
has its own separate disk space, so I feel it should still be recognized 
and have its disk space returned when the defaultFolder is set to it.

But in the interest of sleuthing this to completion I also mounted one 
of my FireWire drives, and got the same result.

This has now been logged to BZ for your voting pleasure:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5091>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue May 29 13:59:24 2007
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:59:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sorting lines
In-Reply-To: <465C6539.6080907@harbourhosting.co.uk>
Message-ID: <510016.83946.qm@web60524.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Martin Baxter <mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk>
wrote:
> > Hi Matthias,
> > 
> > Try the following:
> > ##
> > set the itemDelimiter to ";"
> > sort lines of tVariable by item 4 of each
> > ##
> > 
> > Hope this helped,
> > 
> > Jan Schenkel.
> 
> Erm, this doesn't seem to work here in 2.8.1 on win
> XP. The 
> itemdelimiter appears to be ignored.
> 
> Martin Baxter
> 

Hi Martin,

As the itemDelimiter is a local propert and thus gets
reset at the end of a running handler, you have to run
both lines together from a script, or in the
multi-line section of the message box.

I tested it on MacOSX in Rev 2.6.1 and 2.8.1, and it
worked in both:
- I pasted the example text into a field:
##
320;4999;219;Peter;329;366
3;23;14;Mark;0;0
2;213;13;Josh;215;666
1000;999;10101;Mark;211;555
2;214;25;Peter;212:667
##
- And added a button with the following script:
##
on mouseUp
  put field 1 into tVariable
  sort lines of tVariable by random(10000)
  set the itemDelimiter to ";"
  sort lines of tVariable by item 4 of each
  put tVariable into field 1
end mouseUp
##

When clicking a few times, you may end up with
different results, but the 'Josh', 'Mark' and 'Peter'
lines are still lumped together.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 29 14:00:08 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:00:08 +0100
Subject: Free size of different volume?
In-Reply-To: <OF90D79896.EFBF48FE-ON852572EA.006084A2-852572EA.0060488B@sealedair.com>
References: <OF90D79896.EFBF48FE-ON852572EA.006084A2-852572EA.0060488B@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <AB99557E-0604-4D58-AB31-0F197BA5A5A7@azurevision.co.uk>


On 29 May 2007, at 18:43, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:

> On OS X, /Volumes/util/ is
> still on the SAME 'DRIVE' as other /Volumes/places/. Sure they show  
> up as
> different disks, but they aren't really.

I tried it with different physical drives, not just Volumes/util/.

Ian


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue May 29 14:09:09 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:09:09 +0200
Subject: Free size of different volume?
In-Reply-To: <465B52EE.1070804@fourthworld.com>
References: <465B52EE.1070804@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <FFC26F86-DA83-4B0A-9BF5-65541B702AA2@major-k.de>

Hi Richard,

> The diskSpace function returns the free space of the drive the app  
> is running from.

 From the current volume!

> I have an installer that runs from a CD, and I need to get the  
> avialable size of the destination volume.
>
> Any built-in way to do this, or am I stuck with hunting down shell  
> calls?

...
set the folder to "any folder on or even target volume itself"
put diskspace into its_free
...

works for me :-)

> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Tue May 29 14:26:54 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:26:54 +0100
Subject: Sorting lines
In-Reply-To: <510016.83946.qm@web60524.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <510016.83946.qm@web60524.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <465C706E.8020308@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Jan Schenkel wrote:
> --- Martin Baxter <mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk>
> wrote:
>>> Hi Matthias,
>>>
>>> Try the following:
>>> ##
>>> set the itemDelimiter to ";"
>>> sort lines of tVariable by item 4 of each
>>> ##
>>>
>>> Hope this helped,
>>>
>>> Jan Schenkel.
>> Erm, this doesn't seem to work here in 2.8.1 on win
>> XP. The 
>> itemdelimiter appears to be ignored.
>>
>> Martin Baxter
>>
> 
> Hi Martin,
> 
> As the itemDelimiter is a local propert and thus gets
> reset at the end of a running handler, you have to run
> both lines together from a script, or in the
> multi-line section of the message box.
> 
> I tested it on MacOSX in Rev 2.6.1 and 2.8.1, and it
> worked in both:
> - I pasted the example text into a field:
> ##
> 320;4999;219;Peter;329;366
> 3;23;14;Mark;0;0
> 2;213;13;Josh;215;666
> 1000;999;10101;Mark;211;555
> 2;214;25;Peter;212:667
> ##
> - And added a button with the following script:
> ##
> on mouseUp
>   put field 1 into tVariable
>   sort lines of tVariable by random(10000)
>   set the itemDelimiter to ";"
>   sort lines of tVariable by item 4 of each
>   put tVariable into field 1
> end mouseUp
> ##
> 
> When clicking a few times, you may end up with
> different results, but the 'Josh', 'Mark' and 'Peter'
> lines are still lumped together.
> 
> Hope this helped,
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> 

Hi Jan,

That's essentially what I did, but I tested it using Matthias' data from 
his email, which I hadn't noticed has a typo in line 1 - a comma instead 
of a semicolon.

# compounded operator errors ;-)

# mystery solved anyhow,

Martin Baxter


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 29 14:24:33 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 11:24:33 -0700
Subject: Free size of different volume?
Message-ID: <465C6FE1.6030003@fourthworld.com>

Klaus Major wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> 
>> The diskSpace function returns the free space of the drive the app  
>> is running from.
> 
>  From the current volume!
> 
>> I have an installer that runs from a CD, and I need to get the  
>> avialable size of the destination volume.
>>
>> Any built-in way to do this, or am I stuck with hunting down shell  
>> calls?
> 
> ...
> set the folder to "any folder on or even target volume itself"
> put diskspace into its_free
> ...
> 
> works for me :-)

Which OS?

So far readers here have reported that it works well on Windows, but on 
OSX only returns the info for the drive the app is running from.

If you have a way to get this working on OS X I'd love to learn how.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue May 29 14:37:28 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:37:28 +0200
Subject: Free size of different volume?
In-Reply-To: <465C6FE1.6030003@fourthworld.com>
References: <465C6FE1.6030003@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4C40DB18-71F7-481F-AF9A-5E098DC75E29@major-k.de>

Hi Richard,

> Klaus Major wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>>> The diskSpace function returns the free space of the drive the  
>>> app  is running from.
>>  From the current volume!
>>> I have an installer that runs from a CD, and I need to get the   
>>> avialable size of the destination volume.
>>>
>>> Any built-in way to do this, or am I stuck with hunting down  
>>> shell  calls?
>> ...
>> set the folder to "any folder on or even target volume itself"
>> put diskspace into its_free
>> ...
>> works for me :-)
>
> Which OS?
>
> So far readers here have reported that it works well on Windows,  
> but on OSX only returns the info for the drive the app is running  
> from.
>
> If you have a way to get this working on OS X I'd love to learn how.

Ah, yes, now that you say it...

I tried at work where the app starts on an OS X volume but the  
diskspace it retrieved from
the server which is a windows volume

Strange enough!???

> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue May 29 15:19:12 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:19:12 +0200
Subject: Sorting lines
In-Reply-To: <465C6539.6080907@harbourhosting.co.uk>
References: <211717.46531.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com>
	<465C6539.6080907@harbourhosting.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20070529211912507167.3ddadd68@sonsothunder.com>

On Tue, 29 May 2007 18:39:05 +0100, Martin Baxter wrote:

>>> 2;213;13;Josh;215;666
>>> 3;23;14;Mark;0;0
>>> 1000;999;10101;Mark;211;555
>>> 2;214;25;Peter;212:667
>>> 320;4999;219,Peter;329;366
>>> 
>> set the itemDelimiter to ";"
>> sort lines of tVariable by item 4 of each
> 
> Erm, this doesn't seem to work here in 2.8.1 on win XP. The 
> itemdelimiter appears to be ignored.

Well, I tried it here with the sample above and I got the same result. 
But then I noticd that in the last line, the fourth "item" has a comma 
between "219" and "Peter" instead of a semicolon. When I replaced the 
comma with a semicolon, it sorted properly.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue May 29 15:33:24 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:33:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Hammering on RunRev's door . . .
Message-ID: <129153.78496.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thank you Richard Gaskin for making all extremely
clear.

I would, however, like to make one small point [err .
. . this guy never knows when to shut up :) ]:-

The fact about the post-2.6.1 features being largely
irrelevant to Mac Classic is well-put.

Newcomers to RunRev, at the moment at least, are
unable to build standalones for Mac Classic.

Therefore, I would like to reiterate my suggestion
that RR release 2.6.1 again, at a reduced price,
crippled in such a way that it can build standalones
only for Classic.

This would be a most handsome guesture that would
allow anybody who wished to build for Mac Classic for
a small extra fee.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson 

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From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Tue May 29 15:58:33 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:58:33 +0100
Subject: Sorting lines
In-Reply-To: <20070529211912507167.3ddadd68@sonsothunder.com>
References: <211717.46531.qm@web60516.mail.yahoo.com>	<465C6539.6080907@harbourhosting.co.uk>
	<20070529211912507167.3ddadd68@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <465C85E9.2060906@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Ken Ray wrote:
> On Tue, 29 May 2007 18:39:05 +0100, Martin Baxter wrote:
> 
>>>> 2;213;13;Josh;215;666
>>>> 3;23;14;Mark;0;0
>>>> 1000;999;10101;Mark;211;555
>>>> 2;214;25;Peter;212:667
>>>> 320;4999;219,Peter;329;366
>>>>
>>> set the itemDelimiter to ";"
>>> sort lines of tVariable by item 4 of each
>> Erm, this doesn't seem to work here in 2.8.1 on win XP. The 
>> itemdelimiter appears to be ignored.
> 
> Well, I tried it here with the sample above and I got the same result. 
> But then I noticd that in the last line, the fourth "item" has a comma 
> between "219" and "Peter" instead of a semicolon. When I replaced the 
> comma with a semicolon, it sorted properly.

Oh yeah, now that I wipe the grease from my visor, all is clear. ;-)

Martin Baxter


From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May 29 15:53:58 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 12:53:58 -0700
Subject: Hammering on RunRev's door . . .
In-Reply-To: <129153.78496.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <129153.78496.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EA99B38D-75F8-4C91-995B-F1AFF736DA05@cox.net>

Hey, Richmond,

I think that anyone who has an RR license should be entitled to that  
for free, since the current PR is that RR can do that. It's only when  
you dig into it that you find out it can't - at least for NOW!

Joe Wilkins

On May 29, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Thank you Richard Gaskin for making all extremely
> clear.
>
> I would, however, like to make one small point [err .
> . . this guy never knows when to shut up :) ]:-
>
> The fact about the post-2.6.1 features being largely
> irrelevant to Mac Classic is well-put.
>
> Newcomers to RunRev, at the moment at least, are
> unable to build standalones for Mac Classic.
>
> Therefore, I would like to reiterate my suggestion
> that RR release 2.6.1 again, at a reduced price,
> crippled in such a way that it can build standalones
> only for Classic.
>
> This would be a most handsome guesture that would
> allow anybody who wished to build for Mac Classic for
> a small extra fee.
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson


From katir at hindu.org  Tue May 29 16:16:05 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:16:05 -1000
Subject: Photo Processing in Rev
Message-ID: <465C8A05.5050108@hindu.org>

I changed the subject thread on this one, since, while ImageMagick
looks very powerful, it would require installation on any machine
using these tools, where as the goal is portability, and a standalone
REv stack becomes a virtual "droplet" requiring no additional engines.
(ImageReady was installed by default in most machines in our shop...
but not any more....) and Wilhelm Sanke's  tools seem to be
constrained to specific images sizes (I have to be able to
handle any incoming rect)

So, I proceeded with a really basic handler
  for simple scaling and rotation. Which is all we really need.
a lean machine -- nothing artsy or complicated....

It works quite well.
I wasn't sure if imagedata was dependent on display
but just took a shot at it with lock screen and it still
works and really speeds it up a lot. I know lots
of you are already doing this, but perhaps some lurkers
might like my "baby xTalk," approach.
if there was some interest in a "really, really simple
photo processor" I will put my stack on line...
I also have rotation and previewing....

see framework and script below. Quality was
excellent, though a little unsharp mask always
helps to punch out these small jpegs.. and we don't get
that here...(if anyone knows how to add that as a discreet
filter to any rect...please jump in!)

Caveat: to my surprise, the resulting file on disk
retains the resource fork, which includes a thumbnail
of the image and I suspect some IDCS camera data..
i.e the file size of the result was 72K... OK so I upload
this with my ftp client to our linux web server
(guaranteed to strip the resource fork) and it drops
to 20 K.  So we're carrying 52K of metadata across
the processing. Maybe some might want that... I don't.

I could have sworn in my tests yesterday that the
resource fork was being stripped but it's not today.

any ideas on how to drop that baggage from
the export?

==========

UI has a field with file names (inserted with other butten tools)
  and two images "CurrentImage" and "NewImage"

this particular application for our web blog wants photos to be 360 wide
by * tall...

I have this button (width value is hard coded now, but
  later i will make it a pref setting in the UI and
pass it down as a param)

global gCurrentFolder

on mouseUp
   lock screen
   put fld "fileList" into tImages
   repeat for each line tImage in tImages
     put tImage into fld "CurrentImage"
     put (gCurrentFolder& tImage ) into tNextImage
     set the filename of image "currentImage" to tNextImage
     scaleImageToWidth 360, tImage
   end repeat
   beep
end mouseUp

and this in the stack script

on scaleImageToWidth pWidth, tImage
   set the resizeQuality of img "currentImage" to "best"
   put the width of img "CurrentImage" into tOrigWidth
   put the height of img "CurrentImage" into tOrigHeight
   set the width of img "CurrentImage" to pWidth
   set the height of img "CurrentImage" to ((tOrigHeight*pWidth)/tOrigWidth)

# imagedata only transfers across two equal rects:
   set the rect of img "newImage" to the rect of  img "CurrentImage"

     # just to see them side by side:
   set the left of image "newImage" to the (the right of image
"CurrentImage" + 100)
   set the imagedata of img "newImage" to the imageData of img
"CurrentImage"

    set the JPEGQuality to (fld "jpegSetting") # set to 75
    export image "newImage" to file gCurrentFolder & tImage as JPEG

# surpise! resource fork intact in resulting image?

end scaleImageToWidth


its a start....

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com

btw... someone was wondering what happened to Dan Schafer? I suspect he
fearlessly put
on browser scuba gear (and you need all kinds of torches, welding
eqiupment, etc.
and special rigging, safety gear etc. just to get a tinsy bit of content
out the door...)
and dove into an ocean of AJAX, Java script and web apps. (I'm seeing if
this might spark a response from our old friend and once strong Rev
Advocate and Mentor)



From mfstuart at cox.net  Tue May 29 16:17:58 2007
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:17:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Closing substack, closes RunRev and the application
Message-ID: <10861822.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi all,
While in edit mode of my application, I opened a substack and added a script
to a button. I saved the application with the File > Save - so far no
problem. But when I clicked on the substacks X (Close) button, it closed the
complete application and exited Run Rev.
Can someone explain what I'm doing wrong here?

Thanx,
Mark
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From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Tue May 29 16:17:38 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:17:38 -0600
Subject: Shell and rsync
Message-ID: <59D83FEA-D70A-4701-8CC4-AF27D8A51CF4@gmail.com>

Hello.

I'm looking into a way to execute rsync on Mac OS X from Revolution  
via shell. One of the rsync targets will be a remote server. The  
problem I'm facing here is that I can't pass a password to access the  
server from rsync. Although I could use public key authentication, I  
don't want to have to worry about handling the certificates outside  
of Revolution.

In short, how does one pass a password into rsync so that Revolution  
can properly use it?

Thanks,
Brent Anderson


From rjearp at hotmail.com  Tue May 29 16:18:12 2007
From: rjearp at hotmail.com (Bob Earp)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:18:12 -0700
Subject: Relative folder paths
Message-ID: <BAY106-W185A32098C77F7A38758CD12F0@phx.gbl>

Bill,We needed to use relative paths for audio and video clips, plus graphics in our CBT engine some time ago, and came upon the same problems as you.  Particularly as sometimes the projects were distributed via CD or DVD and we had no control over what drive letter/name was being used.  I'm not sure if our solution will help you but I'm totally gob smacked to be able to offer something to this group instead of continuing to be a leach on the Rev society !!We overcame it by calling an initPaths handler (see below) called from an openStack handler.  We then wrote our own video and audio handlers that refer to those globals.  The graphics are handled by making sure we refer to just the file name (not the path) in the Name property of the Image control, which is a bit weird as  sometimes it is displayed in the Property Inspector including the current path and file name.You'll note that we had to deal with the paths differently for MacOS vs Windoze.  If you'd like the audio and video handlers (which include the ability to stop the media via an ESC key press), I'd be happy to upload them.  They're very small. I seem to remember that Rev was saying that relative paths were a new feature, but I haven't looked into it recently as what we did solved our problem.HTH, Bob...on InitPaths  -- get and save the project path    if the platform = "MacOS" then -- this is required for Mac platforms only due to differences in file path reporting    set the itemDelimiter to "/"    put the effective fileName of this stack into gProjectPath    delete the last item of gProjectPath  else    set the itemDelimiter to "/"    put item 1 to -2 of the effective filename of this stack into gProjectPath  end if      -- setup the audio folder path  put gProjectPath & "/Audio" into gAudioPath    -- set up the video folder path  put gProjectPath & "/Video" into gVideoPath    -- set up the graphics path for image controls  set the defaultFolder to gProjectPath & "/Graphics/"  end InitPaths~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 17:10:29 -0700From: Bill Vlahos <bvlahos at mac.com>Subject: Relative folder pathsTo: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>Message-ID:<B1E7BAB9-0112-1000-B470-63B572F54FB3-Webmail-10006 at mac.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1I can't seem to refer to folders via relative paths.Lets say I have a folder containing a standalone, Data folder, and Preference folder all at the same level. The defaultFolder would be the folder at the level of the standalone.If I change the defaultFolder to "DataFileFolder" I can then just "put the files into vFilesList" to get a listing of the files. However, this resets the defaultFolder value so I can't get to things in the Preference folder.How would I get a listing of files in the defaultFolder/DataFileFolder?Thanks,Bill Vlahos~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Robert J. Earp - PresidentAshford Technologies Inc.#8 5965 205A Street, LangleyBritish Columbia.  V3A 8C4t: +1 604 539 1662f: +1 604 541 1686
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Tue May 29 16:37:58 2007
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:37:58 -0400
Subject: shell command problem
In-Reply-To: <3B428740-AFA0-4095-9A50-F0568509264A@free.fr>
References: <017B34E9-65D1-49FD-A69A-81A6C13B9FAE@comcast.net>
	<3B428740-AFA0-4095-9A50-F0568509264A@free.fr>
Message-ID: <BD853273-8BED-419D-ABAB-707A0019D48D@comcast.net>

Hi Thierry,

Yes thanks, it looks like I was forgetting that the shell evals to a  
string. I fixed this and now I am not getting the error anymore but  
the command is still not executing.

I am getting the intro text that pops up when the iRed command  
application runs, you know, (ired Version 2.0  usage: ired -send  
etc.) which tells me I am communicating with it but not getting any  
result.

Any ideas???

Thanks again,

Tom

On May 29, 2007, at 11:48 AM, Thierry wrote:

>
> Hi  Thomas ,
>
> You have to read the result of the shell() function.
>
> get shell(...) or
> put shell(...) into x
>
> HTH
> Thierry
>
>> Can someone guide me in the correct use of the shell command on OSX.
>>
>>
>> I have tried to set the shellcommand to "/bin/ired" with no result.
>>
>> This is my script:
>> ON mouseUp
>>     put field "myControl2" into tControl
>>     IF tControl is not "" THEN
>>         put the shellcommand into tShellPath
>>         set the shellcommand to "/bin/ired"
>>         shell (field "myControl2")
>>         -- put quote & "ired - send " & quote & "Robosapien V2" &  
>> quote & " " & Quote & "D" & Quote into tred
>>         -- shell (tred)
>>         set the shellcommand to tShellPath
>>     ELSE
>>         revspeak "OH OH"
>>     END IF
>> END mouseUp
>>
>
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Tue May 29 16:41:17 2007
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:41:17 -0400
Subject: shell command problem
In-Reply-To: <A1F08C18-E87C-4EAF-9BD5-8F5D94ED3FA5@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <017B34E9-65D1-49FD-A69A-81A6C13B9FAE@comcast.net>
	<A1F08C18-E87C-4EAF-9BD5-8F5D94ED3FA5@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <829C9D2C-8437-471D-B6D0-D0450933D028@comcast.net>

Mark,

Thanks I tried combining the path and command and am now getting the  
iRed app to respond but not execute the command.

I can get this to work directly from the terminal application.

I will mess around with this tonight.

Thanks Mark,


Tom

On May 29, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Thomas,
>
> I get "handler not found" instead of "can't set property". At which  
> line exactly does the error occur? Why don't you have hints in your  
> error message? The hint line contains important information about  
> the cause of the problem.
>
> Have you tried executing the foloowing line?
>
> put shell("/bin/iRed" && fld "myControl2")
>
> If this doesn't work, either the command line utility is not where  
> you think you have put it or the contents of the field is  
> incorrect. If it does work, something is wrong with your script.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> --
>
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> Op 29-mei-2007, om 16:40 heeft Thomas McGrath III het volgende  
> geschreven:
>
>> Can someone guide me in the correct use of the shell command on OSX.
>>
>> I have an app called "iRed" which comes with a command line  
>> application that I copied to the bin folder on my machine and from  
>> a terminal window I can execute the following "ired -send  
>> "Robosapien V2" "D" which works great. iRed is a program that can  
>> send IR codes via a USB device called "irTrans" to my Robosapien  
>> V2 robot.
>>
>> Everything works fine from within iRed controlling the robot.
>> Everything works fine from the terminal window.
>> Everything also works fine using an applescript:
>> try
>> 	tell application "iRed" to send ir Code "D" of RC "Robosapien V2"
>> on error
>> 	beep
>> end try
>>
>> & Everything also works storing the applescript in a custom prop  
>> in REV and then DOing the applescript.
>>
>> The only thing I can't seem to figure out is how to run a command  
>> line directly from within REV. The docs say if I am having trouble  
>> to try the command line directly in a terminal window and it does  
>> indeed work fine.
>
> <snip script & errors>
>
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From chris at altuit.com  Tue May 29 16:58:45 2007
From: chris at altuit.com (chris bohnert)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:58:45 -0600
Subject: Shell and rsync
In-Reply-To: <59D83FEA-D70A-4701-8CC4-AF27D8A51CF4@gmail.com>
References: <59D83FEA-D70A-4701-8CC4-AF27D8A51CF4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2e0cf4750705291358v7d0947a7s1ff19fb3ce6456d9@mail.gmail.com>

Brent,

Rsync will use ssh by default.  If you're stuck with just using the ssh
transport (similar to doing an scp) then you should try 'Open Process'
followed by 'write to process'.  But  this bug,
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3196, may get in your
way.

If you can put rsyncd on the remote server then you have one of two
options.  You can use the "--password-file" option on the command line or
you can try setting the environment variable 'RSYNC_PASSWORD'.

--
cb

On 5/29/07, Brent Anderson <brentj84062 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hello.
>
> I'm looking into a way to execute rsync on Mac OS X from Revolution
> via shell. One of the rsync targets will be a remote server. The
> problem I'm facing here is that I can't pass a password to access the
> server from rsync. Although I could use public key authentication, I
> don't want to have to worry about handling the certificates outside
> of Revolution.
>
> In short, how does one pass a password into rsync so that Revolution
> can properly use it?
>
> Thanks,
> Brent Anderson
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 29 16:58:57 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:58:57 -0700
Subject: Hammering on RunRev's door . . .
Message-ID: <465C9411.7070003@fourthworld.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> I think that anyone who has an RR license should be entitled to that  
> for free, since the current PR is that RR can do that. It's only when  
> you dig into it that you find out it can't - at least for NOW!

That may not be a bad idea.  If RunRev gave away licenses for their 
Classic product, it's not like they'd be losing any serious sales but it 
would generate some additional interest.

Hmmmm....

-- 
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  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
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From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Tue May 29 17:16:19 2007
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:16:19 -0400
Subject: shell command problem
In-Reply-To: <829C9D2C-8437-471D-B6D0-D0450933D028@comcast.net>
References: <017B34E9-65D1-49FD-A69A-81A6C13B9FAE@comcast.net>
	<A1F08C18-E87C-4EAF-9BD5-8F5D94ED3FA5@economy-x-talk.com>
	<829C9D2C-8437-471D-B6D0-D0450933D028@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F840BF78-B995-499B-91A3-E360BE63D535@comcast.net>

Correct method found!!!

ON mouseUp
     put field "myControl2" into tControl
     IF tControl is not "" THEN
         put shell("/bin/iRed" && fld "myControl2")
     ELSE
         revspeak "OH OH"
	-- other error correction here
     END IF
END mouseUp

with

  -send "Robosapien V2" "square"

in field "myControl2" instead of ( iRed -send "Robosapien V2"  
"square"). Apparently using the path and command works and then the  
iRed is not needed before the command.


It now works and I am using Revolution to completely control the  
"Robosapien V2" Robot from Sharper image and also the "Alive  
Chimpanzee" as well. This opens up the option to have a Chimp alert  
me to new email or other environmental controls as well as to create  
software to allow or give the impression of "Artificial Personality".  
I prefer AP over AI since the personality is the better part for most  
people any way and not the intelligence.

I had already figured out how to control the robot via speech  
recognition and Applescript as well as using a USB keypad (iKeys) and  
iCal for timed events etc. but I wanted to accomplish it with having  
to have the iRed application open and since they provided the  
CommandLine app version of iRed that seemed the best way to go. Now  
it is running smoothly and I need to put it all together and finalize  
the interface.

Once I am finished putting this all together I will upload to my user  
area with details on how to accomplish this wonderful treat.


Thanks Mark and Thierry.


Tom


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Tue May 29 17:18:17 2007
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:18:17 +0000
Subject: Re-2: Sorting lines
Message-ID: <00029114.465CB4B9@192.168.168.3>

Hi,

a big thanks  for the quick help. I was sure, i can do that with Revolution. But, as allways, i did not know how. ;-)

All the best,

Matthias




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue May 29 17:27:31 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:27:31 -0600
Subject: Closing substack, closes RunRev and the application
In-Reply-To: <10861822.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <10861822.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <712ED503-A7E3-4CEE-982E-0038D18A1B76@byu.edu>


On May 29, 2007, at 2:17 PM, mfstuart wrote:

>
> Hi all,
> While in edit mode of my application, I opened a substack and added  
> a script
> to a button. I saved the application with the File > Save - so far no
> problem. But when I clicked on the substacks X (Close) button, it  
> closed the
> complete application and exited Run Rev.
> Can someone explain what I'm doing wrong here?

Mark,

If your mainstack (which becomes the executable when saved as  
standalone) has an closeStack handler that issues a quit command,  
then any substack that does not have its own closeStack handler would  
automatically pass closeStack up to the mainstack, triggering the quit.

Just a guess, but this has happened to me before.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From revcompgeek at gmail.com  Tue May 29 17:32:08 2007
From: revcompgeek at gmail.com (Matthew)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:32:08 -0600
Subject: image in field
Message-ID: <46FA739F-EE37-47B8-867F-D313698EBA13@gmail.com>

What is the easiest way to put an image into a field? I have seen it  
before, but I cant remember how.
-- 
Matthew Peterson
Programmer
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center




From 3mcgrath at comcast.net  Tue May 29 17:38:20 2007
From: 3mcgrath at comcast.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 17:38:20 -0400
Subject: shell command problem
In-Reply-To: <F840BF78-B995-499B-91A3-E360BE63D535@comcast.net>
References: <017B34E9-65D1-49FD-A69A-81A6C13B9FAE@comcast.net>
	<A1F08C18-E87C-4EAF-9BD5-8F5D94ED3FA5@economy-x-talk.com>
	<829C9D2C-8437-471D-B6D0-D0450933D028@comcast.net>
	<F840BF78-B995-499B-91A3-E360BE63D535@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3099E616-9DF8-4EC0-9098-D86F775FB73B@comcast.net>

Actually without the iRed application being open I can not get this  
to work via the command line. With the app open I can get it to work  
with both the command line and with applescript. I don't see the  
benefit of one over the other.

I have sent iRed an email to find out what their iRed commandline  
version is capable of.

Thanks for the help,

Tom McGrath


On May 29, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

> ON mouseUp
>     put field "myControl2" into tControl
>     IF tControl is not "" THEN
>         put shell("/bin/iRed" && fld "myControl2")
>     ELSE
>         revspeak "OH OH"
> 	-- other error correction here
>     END IF
> END mouseUp
>
> with
>
>  -send "Robosapien V2" "square"
>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue May 29 17:50:09 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:50:09 +0200
Subject: image in field
In-Reply-To: <46FA739F-EE37-47B8-867F-D313698EBA13@gmail.com>
References: <46FA739F-EE37-47B8-867F-D313698EBA13@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C45A575B-32D2-495A-A963-5E08D6A7E815@economy-x-talk.com>

Matthew,

set the imagesource of char 123 of fld 1 to 1234

There are more examples in the docs.

Best,

Mark

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Op 29-mei-2007, om 23:32 heeft Matthew het volgende geschreven:

> What is the easiest way to put an image into a field? I have seen  
> it before, but I cant remember how.
> -- 
> Matthew Peterson
> Programmer
> Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center



From mfstuart at cox.net  Tue May 29 17:56:26 2007
From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 14:56:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Closing substack, closes RunRev and the application
In-Reply-To: <712ED503-A7E3-4CEE-982E-0038D18A1B76@byu.edu>
References: <10861822.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<712ED503-A7E3-4CEE-982E-0038D18A1B76@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <10863468.post@talk.nabble.com>


Yes, that's exactly what my situation is Devin.
Thanx a million.
But what would I add to each substacks on closeStack? Nothing? I'm not sure.
-Mark



Devin Asay wrote:
> 
> 
> On May 29, 2007, at 2:17 PM, mfstuart wrote:
> 
>>
>> Hi all,
>> While in edit mode of my application, I opened a substack and added  
>> a script
>> to a button. I saved the application with the File > Save - so far no
>> problem. But when I clicked on the substacks X (Close) button, it  
>> closed the
>> complete application and exited Run Rev.
>> Can someone explain what I'm doing wrong here?
> 
> Mark,
> 
> If your mainstack (which becomes the executable when saved as  
> standalone) has an closeStack handler that issues a quit command,  
> then any substack that does not have its own closeStack handler would  
> automatically pass closeStack up to the mainstack, triggering the quit.
> 
> Just a guess, but this has happened to me before.
> 
> Devin
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue May 29 18:01:30 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:01:30 +0100
Subject: Closing substack, closes RunRev and the application
In-Reply-To: <10863468.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <10861822.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<712ED503-A7E3-4CEE-982E-0038D18A1B76@byu.edu>
	<10863468.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <6ED537A9-9B58-491B-9D14-9BD99CF3CDED@azurevision.co.uk>


On 29 May 2007, at 22:56, mfstuart wrote:

> But what would I add to each substacks on closeStack? Nothing? I'm  
> not sure.

In the mainstack closeStack handler you could add something like:

if the short name of this stack is "foobar" then
-- do all the mainstack stuff
end if

This means that closestack requests from the substacks won't actually  
do anything.

Ian


From simplsol at aol.com  Tue May 29 18:14:37 2007
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:14:37 -0400
Subject: Closing a field by clicking a button -OS X
Message-ID: <8C97055E12151BF-18E4-9A61@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>

I need to set a flag in on a card when the contents of any of the 
fields on that card change.

This almost works:

on closeField
    setTheFlag
end closeField

The problem occurs when the user clicks a button, or uses the menu to 
leave the card. On OS X the closeField command is not sent when leaving 
a field under these circumstances - the field never loses focus.

Is there a good way to send a message (like closeField) when the user 
edits a field then clicks elsewhere?

We tried:

on mouseDown
   if the tool is "browse tool"  and (word 1 of the name of the target 
is not "field") then select empty
  pass mouseDown
end mouseDown

but it broke under version 2.8.1 - no more copy and paste!

Perhaps there is a way to remove focus from all controls on a card???

I appreciate your help, thanks in advance.
Paul Looney
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue May 29 18:12:48 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 00:12:48 +0200
Subject: Closing substack, closes RunRev and the application
In-Reply-To: <10863468.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <10861822.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<712ED503-A7E3-4CEE-982E-0038D18A1B76@byu.edu>
	<10863468.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20070530001248363783.cb91ed45@sonsothunder.com>

On Tue, 29 May 2007 14:56:26 -0700 (PDT), mfstuart wrote:

> 
> Yes, that's exactly what my situation is Devin.
> Thanx a million.
> But what would I add to each substacks on closeStack? Nothing? I'm not sure.

Since messages go to the card, and the "owner" of the card is its 
stack, I generally put this in the stack script:

on closeStack
  if the owner of the target is me then
    -- do stuff for *this* stack only
  else
    pass closeStack
  end if
end closeStack

Other people have similar approaches...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue May 29 18:16:07 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:16:07 -0600
Subject: Closing substack, closes RunRev and the application
In-Reply-To: <10863468.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <10861822.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<712ED503-A7E3-4CEE-982E-0038D18A1B76@byu.edu>
	<10863468.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <86964E61-08CB-4F54-9AF4-0AEFD65E2A97@byu.edu>

On May 29, 2007, at 3:56 PM, mfstuart wrote:

>
> Yes, that's exactly what my situation is Devin.
> Thanx a million.
> But what would I add to each substacks on closeStack? Nothing? I'm  
> not sure.

You can approach it one of two ways:

1 - Limit the mainstack's closeStack to affect only the mainstack:

# In the mainstack's stack script
on closeStack
   if the short name of this stack = the short name of me then
     # anything here will only affect the mainstack
     quit
   end if
end closeStack

2 - Block each substack's closeStack message from passing up the  
hierarchy:

# In each substack's stack script
on closeStack
   # just an empty handler will prevent passing the message
   # be sure not to pass closeStack
end closeStack

>
> Devin Asay wrote:
>>
>>
>> On May 29, 2007, at 2:17 PM, mfstuart wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> While in edit mode of my application, I opened a substack and added
>>> a script
>>> to a button. I saved the application with the File > Save - so  
>>> far no
>>> problem. But when I clicked on the substacks X (Close) button, it
>>> closed the
>>> complete application and exited Run Rev.
>>> Can someone explain what I'm doing wrong here?
>>
>> Mark,
>>
>> If your mainstack (which becomes the executable when saved as
>> standalone) has an closeStack handler that issues a quit command,
>> then any substack that does not have its own closeStack handler would
>> automatically pass closeStack up to the mainstack, triggering the  
>> quit.
>>
>> Just a guess, but this has happened to me before.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue May 29 18:24:29 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:24:29 -0700
Subject: Closing a field by clicking a button -OS X
In-Reply-To: <8C97055E12151BF-18E4-9A61@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C281F62D.4684F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

are you sure the 'closefield' is never sent?
turn on the message watcher  and see if it gets sent to the card before is
closes.  I am not very familiar with user interface control, but focus and
message passing is probably the real answer here.

eg. on closecard, if the focused object is a field, then deal with it before
leaving, etc.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 5/29/07 3:14 PM, "simplsol at aol.com" <simplsol at aol.com> wrote:

> I need to set a flag in on a card when the contents of any of the
> fields on that card change.
> 
> This almost works:
> 
> on closeField
>     setTheFlag
> end closeField
> 
> The problem occurs when the user clicks a button, or uses the menu to
> leave the card. On OS X the closeField command is not sent when leaving
> a field under these circumstances - the field never loses focus.
> 
> Is there a good way to send a message (like closeField) when the user
> edits a field then clicks elsewhere?
> 
> We tried:
> 
> on mouseDown
>    if the tool is "browse tool"  and (word 1 of the name of the target
> is not "field") then select empty
>   pass mouseDown
> end mouseDown
> 
> but it broke under version 2.8.1 - no more copy and paste!
> 
> Perhaps there is a way to remove focus from all controls on a card???
> 
> I appreciate your help, thanks in advance.
> Paul Looney
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue May 29 19:01:38 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:01:38 -0500
Subject: Closing a field by clicking a button -OS X
In-Reply-To: <8C97055E12151BF-18E4-9A61@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C97055E12151BF-18E4-9A61@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <465CB0D2.8080204@hyperactivesw.com>

simplsol at aol.com wrote:
> I need to set a flag in on a card when the contents of any of the fields 
> on that card change.
> 
> This almost works:
> 
> on closeField
>    setTheFlag
> end closeField
> 
> The problem occurs when the user clicks a button, or uses the menu to 
> leave the card. On OS X the closeField command is not sent when leaving 
> a field under these circumstances - the field never loses focus.
> 
> Is there a good way to send a message (like closeField) when the user 
> edits a field then clicks elsewhere?

This has caught me too. Try something like this in the card or stack script:

on mousedown
   get the selectedfield
   if it <> "" then send "closefield" to it
end mousedown

This doesn't test whether a field has changed and so should really get a 
closefield message, but depending on your stack that may not matter.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sundown at nwrain.net  Tue May 29 19:06:18 2007
From: sundown at nwrain.net (-= JB =-)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:06:18 -0700
Subject: stdLib 1.0b1
Message-ID: <85c08c5a90bc4fc05a650231a074984f@nwrain.net>

Hi,

In some earlier post the stack stdLib 1.0b1
was mentioned.  I used the link to go to the
stack and download it but the only thing I
could find was a description of things to do
in the future.

Will someone please tell me where I can
download the stack stdLib 1.0b1.

thanks in advance,
-=>JB<=-



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue May 29 19:15:45 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:15:45 -0700
Subject: stdLib 1.0b1
Message-ID: <465CB421.4060900@fourthworld.com>

-= JB =- wrote:
> Will someone please tell me where I can
> download the stack stdLib 1.0b1.

stdLib is part of the Rev Interoperability Project -- you can find it in 
the Files section at:
<http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/revInterop/>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 29 19:34:08 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:34:08 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Hammering on RunRev's door . . .
In-Reply-To: <465C9411.7070003@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705291633080.7843-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Maybe this would be a nice thing to hand out at the ED-MEDIA conference
next month in Vancouver, no?

Judy

On Tue, 29 May 2007, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> That may not be a bad idea.  If RunRev gave away licenses for their
> Classic product, it's not like they'd be losing any serious sales but it
> would generate some additional interest.
>
> Hmmmm....



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue May 29 19:38:24 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 16:38:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Showing off stuff at ED-MEDIA
In-Reply-To: <465C9411.7070003@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705291634140.7843-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

As alluded to in my previous message, I will be co-presenting a paper and
poster session next month at the annual ED-MEDIA conference, a project of
the Association for the Advancement of Computing in Education.

The thrust of the paper is to persuade educators that not only CAN they go
beyond PowerPoint in creating interactive educational content, but that
they SHOULD, and that Rev is an ideal tool for so doing.

I'm going to try to have CDs for distribution that contain the 30-day demo
products but would also like to be able to have on that CD nice little
showpieces that are either real stunners or good tutorial matter.

If anyone has anything they'd like to have included please contact me
off-list and let me know where I can find your showcase materials.

Kindest thanks,

Judy




From simplsol at aol.com  Tue May 29 19:42:20 2007
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:42:20 -0400
Subject: Closing a field by clicking a button -OS X
In-Reply-To: <465CB0D2.8080204@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8C97055E12151BF-18E4-9A61@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>
	<465CB0D2.8080204@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8C9706222765E31-C44-A058@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com>

Jacque,
Thanks for your (very prompt) response.
Unfortunately it does matter in this situation. setting the flag for 
unchanged fields will create unnecessary network traffic.
We need something that will not send the "closeField" unless the field 
has changed.
Another approach would be to "defocus" all fields after one has been 
edited but I don't know anyway to remove focus from all objects.
Of course the very best would be something that removed focus and sent 
closeField or exitField messages when other card/stack objects are 
selected.
PL


-----Original Message-----
From: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, 29 May 2007 4:01 pm
Subject: Re: Closing a field by clicking a button -OS X

simplsol at aol.com wrote:?
> I need to set a flag in on a card when the contents of any of the 
fields
> on that card change.?
>
> This almost works:?
>
> on closeField?
>    setTheFlag?
> end closeField?
>
> The problem occurs when the user clicks a button, or uses the menu to
> leave the card. On OS X the closeField command is not sent when 
leaving
> a field under these circumstances - the field never loses focus.?
>
> Is there a good way to send a message (like closeField) when the user
> edits a field then clicks elsewhere??

This has caught me too. Try something like this in the card or stack 
script:?
?
on mousedown?
? get the selectedfield?
? if it <> "" then send "closefield" to it?
end mousedown?

This doesn't test whether a field has changed and so should really get 
a
closefield message, but depending on your stack that may not matter.?
?
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com?

HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com?

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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Tue May 29 19:58:16 2007
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:58:16 +0000
Subject: Re-2: Sorting lines
Message-ID: <0002916C.465CDA38@192.168.168.3>

Hi again,

played a little bit with sorting a few text files.

The following code works fine for my previous given example:

set the itemDelimiter to ";"
sort lines of field "Field" by item 4 of each

tried also 
set the itemDelimiter to ";"
sort lines of tVariable by item 4 of each
put tVariable into fld "Field"

With the above code i tried to sort a text file with about 2900 lines.
Sorting this file by item 2, which contains just numbers, works fine.

Sorting the same file by item 37, which cotains alpha-numeric characters , does not work.
I get blocks of sorted lines. For example, I get some lines sorted by "Notebook", then i get some lines sorted by whatever, and then there are again lines sorted by "Notebook", and so on. The same with other entries in item 38.

Any idea?

Matthias Rebbe






From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Tue May 29 20:02:54 2007
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 00:02:54 +0000
Subject: Re-3: Sorting lines
Message-ID: <0002916D.465CDB4D@192.168.168.3>

Of course it should be

The same with other entries in item 37.

>The same with other entries in 
> item 38.
> 
> Any idea?
> 
> Matthias Rebbe
> 
> 
> 
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From runr at prismpole.com  Tue May 29 20:06:44 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:06:44 -0400
Subject: Closing a field by clicking a button -OS X
Message-ID: <6bffe30341c9cdcfc80e93dc08f7a9c2@prismpole.com>

Hi Paul,

you wrote:
> The problem occurs when the user clicks a button, or
> uses the menu to leave the card. On OS X the closeField
> command is not sent when leaving a field under these
> circumstances - the field never loses focus.

Your "problem" is an important feature!  When you
click a button or a menu, you often need to know what
the selected text is so that you can do something with
it (e.g. make it bold or italic).  There is a simple
solution:  just put the following line in a mousedown,
mouseup, or menupick handler:

   select empty

When you 'select empty' a closefield will be sent to
the field with the selected text if the contents of
the field have changed.

--Michael Binder



From simplsol at aol.com  Tue May 29 20:19:27 2007
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:19:27 -0400
Subject: Closing a field by clicking a button -OS X
In-Reply-To: <6bffe30341c9cdcfc80e93dc08f7a9c2@prismpole.com>
References: <6bffe30341c9cdcfc80e93dc08f7a9c2@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <8C97067517FCF96-8D0-A1B2@mblk-d49.sysops.aol.com>

Michael,
Thanks for you suggestion but "select empty" was actually my first 
attempt. It worked in version 2.7.2.
In 2.8.1 it prevents copying and pasting.  I presume the selection is 
lost between the time it is copied and the time it is pasted.
Paul Looney


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Binder <runr at prismpole.com>
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: Tue, 29 May 2007 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: Closing a field by clicking a button -OS X

Hi Paul,?

you wrote:?

> The problem occurs when the user clicks a button, or?

> uses the menu to leave the card. On OS X the closeField?

> command is not sent when leaving a field under these?

> circumstances - the field never loses focus.?
?

Your "problem" is an important feature!  When you?

click a button or a menu, you often need to know what?

the selected text is so that you can do something with?

it (e.g. make it bold or italic).  There is a simple?

solution:  just put the following line in a mousedown,?

mouseup, or menupick handler:?
?

? select empty?
?

When you 'select empty' a closefield will be sent to?

the field with the selected text if the contents of?

the field have changed.?
?

--Michael Binder?
?

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From runr at prismpole.com  Tue May 29 20:54:11 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:54:11 -0400
Subject: Closing a field by clicking a button -OS X
Message-ID: <8fbf46d64c74815b5d66b0bfc17ba56d@prismpole.com>

Paul, you wrote:
> Thanks for you suggestion but "select empty" was actually
> my first attempt. It worked in version 2.7.2.
> In 2.8.1 it prevents copying and pasting.  I presume the
> selection is lost between the time it is copied and the
> time it is pasted.

What you need to do is put the 'select empty' only in the
scripts of buttons/menus that leave the card.  You cannot
cut or paste unless there is a selection.  I can't
imagine how you could cut or paste in 2.7.2 after
selecting empty.

--Michael



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May 29 21:06:33 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:06:33 +1000
Subject: Custom property set
Message-ID: <f99b52860705291806r2ef17230l896954bebf29f03d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Having a total brain freeze here and can't work out how to get the
keys of an array which is a custom property set.

I have a custom property array: cStoredData[whatever] with about 12
blocks of data stored in this array e.g. cStoredData["Temperature"],
cStoredData["pH"] etc.
How do I get a list of the keys i.e. Temperature, pH etc.?

I've tried:
    put the keys of the cStoredData of this stack
but that won't compile.

TIA,
Sarah


From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 29 21:37:08 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:37:08 +1000
Subject: MP3 Patents, was id3libv1.0.0
References: <465BCCCC.20802@fourthworld.com><00bd01c7a1c0$6f44ef90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<p06240801c28200ffa0ee@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <00fc01c7a25b$10be9e80$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

> The below "chilling effects" link was from 1998. Those guys wanted to 
> charge a hefty per-song fee as well then. Yeah, right.

Yup.  They haven't been short on ideas for charging out fees.

>  That was a long time ago, and there are a lot more shareware out there 
> still using MP3 encoding. What about LAME?

They took several swipes at LAME.  They may yet take another.

> Also if Fraunhoffer patented the process in the 80's or 90's, remember 
> that patents granted before 1995 only have 17 years before expiring, which 
> could be Real Soon Now.

2011 I believe.

> Interestingly, Fraunhoffer are giving away music and CROSS PLATFORM 
> (including LINUX) players for 5.1 SURROUND!! SDKs, too. Their encoding 
> software is all command-line (therefore a possible Rev project!).

On one programming audio library site run by a small author it has been 
suggested that using licensed versions on the OS to call MP3 may negate the 
need to have a license.  Dunno.  But given that a huge majority of software 
(shareware) and hardware for the MP3 format is coming from countries who are 
not Berne signatories (though Patents are not covered by a Berne agreement I 
believe) makes it very hard for them to enforce and collect on those 
products.  For example China is manufacturing MP3 players and pays zero for 
any patents.   Here in Australia some MP3 player shipments from China have 
been seized at customs due to this - but I never heard anything about the 
eventual outcome of the seizure.  Patent law really needs an overhaul, 
especially as it relates to software.

On another note.  After looking at my doc's (licenses) today I can state 
categorically that Thompson supplied zero evidence to me within those doc's 
and licenses of an actual statement covering tags in MP3 files.  There is 
stuff on file format and compression but nothing on tags *at all*.  So from 
this I can only conclude that if you discuss an issue with their legal 
department they'll claim anything as theirs if they think they can get away 
with it.

Scott 



From soapdog at mac.com  Tue May 29 21:44:21 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:44:21 -0300
Subject: Custom property set
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705291806r2ef17230l896954bebf29f03d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860705291806r2ef17230l896954bebf29f03d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F57B085C-D5ED-46D4-AB05-E8245C28FFF5@mac.com>

Hello Sarah,

first set the custompropertyset to "cStoredData"

then get  the customkeys of the stack.

it's not the keys, it's the customkeys! :D

PS: I do think you need to change the set, you can only get the  
customkeys of the current set of the stack...

cheers
andre

On May 29, 2007, at 10:06 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Having a total brain freeze here and can't work out how to get the
> keys of an array which is a custom property set.
>
> I have a custom property array: cStoredData[whatever] with about 12
> blocks of data stored in this array e.g. cStoredData["Temperature"],
> cStoredData["pH"] etc.
> How do I get a list of the keys i.e. Temperature, pH etc.?
>
> I've tried:
>    put the keys of the cStoredData of this stack
> but that won't compile.
>
> TIA,
> Sarah
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue May 29 21:47:09 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:47:09 +0800
Subject: Trying to control OKI Microline 590 24-pin printer
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
Message-ID: <f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/29/07, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
>
>
> For accessing and uploading data there's CocoaMySQL for the Mac. Many
> others for PC. new beta


http://cocoamysql.sourceforge.net/beta/CocoaMySQL_0.7b5.zip


I've been using CocoaMySQL-SBG 0.7.1 and love it. Don't know what the SBG is
about so downloaded the above to see which is the latest and discovered a
HUGE BUG in 0.7b5.

0.7b5 is 'more up to date' than SBG 0.7.1, it's got more colour, has extra
features and the data presentation is way more efficient; BUT if you have
any VARCHAR columns (haven't tested anything else) larger than 100 char you
risk having your data truncated to 100 char and the data in other columns
mangled!

You may need to download CocoaMySQL-SBG 0.7.1 or some other data viewing app
to test this:

http://www.theonline.org/cocoamysql/

To test, COPY an existing DB that has VARCHAR >100 column. DO NOT USE A
WORKING DB!!!!!!!!!!

I'm going to assume the VARCHAR column is called "remarks"

1) In 0.7b5 view the 'remarks' column. To start with you'll note that the
initial data is displayed with a ellipsis [three dots which is a single
char] at the end. Widen the column as much as possible. The data will now be
displayed with (...) [not an ellipsis but three periods enclosed in
brackets] at the end, even though there might be space at the right side of
the column to display more text. ie char 101 to 105 is (...)

2) Add a new row. Type in data where necessary, and in the remarks column
make sure you exceed 105 char. Tab out of the column and it will be
truncated with (...). If you have to add data to other columns in your DB,
do so, BUT DO NOT GO BACK to the 'remarks' column. Once you've entered all
the data click in another row so that you know the row has been written and
there are no errors.

3) Quit 0.7b5 and Open SBG 0.7.1. Go to the last row in your DB and widen
the remarks column and you'll see all the data is displayed correctly and
can be edited if necessary. Quit SBG 0.7.1

4) Open 0.7b5 and go to your DB and the last row. Tab through the field to
the 'remarks' column as if you wanted to edit it. Note that your data ends
with (...), and hasn't been replace with the full data. Click another row so
that you haven't changed any data in the last row.

5) Quit 0.7b5 and Open SBG 0.7.1. Go to the last row in your DB and you'll
see that the remarks column now ends with (...). Your data is GONE!

ALSO, check other columns, in my case columns 2 thru 5, which in my case are
decimal columns of various sizes, were overwritten with 99.9 thru
99999.9depending on the max size of the column.

I'd steer way clear of 0.7b5.

I'm using this on:
MacBook Pro Intel CD 2GHz 1GB RAM
OSX 10.4.9
MySQL 5.0.27
No problems with CocoaMySQL-SBG 0.7.1


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May 29 22:05:37 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:05:37 +1000
Subject: Custom property set
In-Reply-To: <F57B085C-D5ED-46D4-AB05-E8245C28FFF5@mac.com>
References: <f99b52860705291806r2ef17230l896954bebf29f03d@mail.gmail.com>
	<F57B085C-D5ED-46D4-AB05-E8245C28FFF5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705291905i61a4e3d9p11a98d363eb286be@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andre,

I knew there was a way :-)
For the benefit of anyone else struggling with this, here is what I
ended up with:

    set the custompropertyset of this stack to "cStoredData"
    put the customkeys of this stack into tKeys
    set the custompropertyset of this stack to ""

Setting the customPropertySet to empty puts it back to the default.

Cheers,
Sarah


On 5/30/07, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
> Hello Sarah,
>
> first set the custompropertyset to "cStoredData"
>
> then get  the customkeys of the stack.
>
> it's not the keys, it's the customkeys! :D
>
> PS: I do think you need to change the set, you can only get the
> customkeys of the current set of the stack...
>
> cheers
> andre
>
> On May 29, 2007, at 10:06 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Having a total brain freeze here and can't work out how to get the
> > keys of an array which is a custom property set.
> >
> > I have a custom property array: cStoredData[whatever] with about 12
> > blocks of data stored in this array e.g. cStoredData["Temperature"],
> > cStoredData["pH"] etc.
> > How do I get a list of the keys i.e. Temperature, pH etc.?
> >
> > I've tried:
> >    put the keys of the cStoredData of this stack
> > but that won't compile.
> >
> > TIA,
> > Sarah


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue May 29 22:11:28 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:11:28 -0700
Subject: Hammering on RunRev's door . . .
In-Reply-To: <465C9411.7070003@fourthworld.com>
References: <465C9411.7070003@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3129261365.20070529191128@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 1:58:57 PM, you wrote:

> That may not be a bad idea.  If RunRev gave away licenses for their
> Classic product, it's not like they'd be losing any serious sales but it
> would generate some additional interest.

> Hmmmm....

Well, I like the idea at first glance. But I see two different ways to
go here, each of which has its own problems.

If runrev were to update the engine to the 2.8.1 level and give away
the restricted Classic version (run only on Classic, deploy only to
Classic), there's a lot of development time they'd be throwing away
working on the code base. I'm sure they'd rather put their time into
something that's got a better ROI, and personally I'd rather see their
efforts go into other things.

On the other hand, releasing the 2.6.1 Classic build with the same
restrictions wouldn't be much of an effort, but we'd still have the
same complaints as now about the Classic version being behind all the
other builds. Nonetheless, that would be the direction I'd take if it
were up to me. Package it up pretty much the way it is, build in the
restrictions, remove the licensing requirement, turn it loose, and not
have to think about it any more...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May 29 22:34:23 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:34:23 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>

Hi all,

Guess I'm going to start up another great controversy. Again I'm  
hearkening back to my HC days. When it was first released, one of its  
main claims to fame was the question as to whether or not it WAS a  
database. Certainly, it had all of the attributes and features of  
one. Even with SE30s as a machine; and, with some 2,000 records/ 
cards, HC performed acceptably fast considering the simplicity of its  
implementation and subsequent use. So, my question is: has RR done  
such a poor job at duplicating this functionality that we cannot get  
along without specialty DBs in MOST instances? If it has, then at  
what record level must we consider using these other DBs? I realize  
that there ARE many applications that will need a greater capacity,  
but not the average one created by the "average" Rev user. I'd sure  
like to know.

TIA,

Joe Wilkins


From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 29 22:49:37 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:49:37 +1000
Subject: Hammering on RunRev's door . . .
References: <465C9411.7070003@fourthworld.com>
	<3129261365.20070529191128@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <010d01c7a265$2b76efc0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Mark Wieder" <mwieder at ahsoftware.net>

> Package it up pretty much the way it is, build in the restrictions, remove 
> the licensing requirement, turn it loose, and not
> have to think about it any more...

In principle I think this looks fine (Borland have done it with old versions 
of C++ Builder and Delphi) but they'd need to add to those restrictions a 
disclaiming of support.  Zero support would be the only financially logical 
policy on the Classic package.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  &Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"There are two ways of being deceived.  One is to believe that which is not
true.  The other is to not believe that which is true." S?ren Aabye
Kierkegaard



From soapdog at mac.com  Tue May 29 22:50:52 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:50:52 -0300
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7F4CC63A-0037-49F8-9D10-B4158B38B0E3@mac.com>

Joe,

check http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/lexicon it is a  
lexicon for those interested in Hinduism. It not only performs  
searches but it has cross-references between words. For example  
search for "karma" or "vedas", if you want to see a quick query just  
search for "a" this will give all the words starting with "a". try  
clicking on the related words and see some AJAX routines fetching  
data and displaying it to you. All this web app is Revolution  
powered. The database stack has more than 3.000 records, one by card.  
You can see it is pretty fast, the delay is usually the network  
latency not the search.

I like using revolution as a database, I just move to SQL database  
servers when I need complex queries or concurrent access (or to store  
millions records, but I never needed that).

cheers
andre



On May 29, 2007, at 11:34 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Guess I'm going to start up another great controversy. Again I'm  
> hearkening back to my HC days. When it was first released, one of  
> its main claims to fame was the question as to whether or not it  
> WAS a database. Certainly, it had all of the attributes and  
> features of one. Even with SE30s as a machine; and, with some 2,000  
> records/cards, HC performed acceptably fast considering the  
> simplicity of its implementation and subsequent use. So, my  
> question is: has RR done such a poor job at duplicating this  
> functionality that we cannot get along without specialty DBs in  
> MOST instances? If it has, then at what record level must we  
> consider using these other DBs? I realize that there ARE many  
> applications that will need a greater capacity, but not the average  
> one created by the "average" Rev user. I'd sure like to know.
>
> TIA,
>
> Joe Wilkins
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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May 29 22:52:47 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:52:47 -0500
Subject: Hammering on RunRev's door . . .
In-Reply-To: <465C9411.7070003@fourthworld.com>
References: <465C9411.7070003@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705291952g5dd29a96g910c991d4cf71c39@mail.gmail.com>

Can't existing users with a license download 2.6.1 free of charge? I
would think so.

-Chipp


From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 29 22:54:04 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:54:04 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
Message-ID: <011001c7a265$cb0e5820$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at cox.net>

> Guess I'm going to start up another great controversy.

I shouldn't think.  This is a very interesting discussion AFA I am concerned 
at any rate.

> Again I'm  hearkening back to my HC days. When it was first released, one 
> of its main claims to fame was the question as to whether or not it WAS a 
> database. Certainly, it had all of the attributes and features of  one. 
> Even with SE30s as a machine; and, with some 2,000 records/ cards, HC 
> performed acceptably fast considering the simplicity of its 
> implementation and subsequent use. So, my question is: has RR done  such a 
> poor job at duplicating this functionality that we cannot get  along 
> without specialty DBs in MOST instances? If it has, then at  what record 
> level must we consider using these other DBs? I realize  that there ARE 
> many applications that will need a greater capacity,  but not the average 
> one created by the "average" Rev user. I'd sure  like to know.

So would I.  I'd love to hear how big a record set (per stack of cards, per 
stack file etc) people have achieved and gotten acceptable performance.  I 
have built applications using both altSQL in the past and using Stacks of 
cards.  A project I'm considering would benefit immensely from this 
discussion.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a 
little way past them into the impossible."
Arthur C Clarke 



From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 29 22:58:13 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:58:13 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
	<7F4CC63A-0037-49F8-9D10-B4158B38B0E3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <012101c7a266$5f5ea2f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com>

> check http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/lexicon it is a

Very impressive!

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C Clarke 



From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May 29 22:58:56 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:58:56 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <7F4CC63A-0037-49F8-9D10-B4158B38B0E3@mac.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
	<7F4CC63A-0037-49F8-9D10-B4158B38B0E3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2899802F-2C77-4E1B-93C9-F59B9D218C7A@cox.net>

Andre,

Thanks, you've confirmed my suspicions. So most of us don't really  
need to be concerned with "other" DBs.

Joe Wilkins

On May 29, 2007, at 7:50 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Joe,
>
> check http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/lexicon it is a  
> lexicon for those interested in Hinduism. It not only performs  
> searches but it has cross-references between words. For example  
> search for "karma" or "vedas", if you want to see a quick query  
> just search for "a" this will give all the words starting with "a".  
> try clicking on the related words and see some AJAX routines  
> fetching data and displaying it to you. All this web app is  
> Revolution powered. The database stack has more than 3.000 records,  
> one by card. You can see it is pretty fast, the delay is usually  
> the network latency not the search.
>
> I like using revolution as a database, I just move to SQL database  
> servers when I need complex queries or concurrent access (or to  
> store millions records, but I never needed that).
>
> cheers
> andre
>
>
>
> On May 29, 2007, at 11:34 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Guess I'm going to start up another great controversy. Again I'm  
>> hearkening back to my HC days. When it was first released, one of  
>> its main claims to fame was the question as to whether or not it  
>> WAS a database. Certainly, it had all of the attributes and  
>> features of one. Even with SE30s as a machine; and, with some  
>> 2,000 records/cards, HC performed acceptably fast considering the  
>> simplicity of its implementation and subsequent use. So, my  
>> question is: has RR done such a poor job at duplicating this  
>> functionality that we cannot get along without specialty DBs in  
>> MOST instances? If it has, then at what record level must we  
>> consider using these other DBs? I realize that there ARE many  
>> applications that will need a greater capacity, but not the  
>> average one created by the "average" Rev user. I'd sure like to know.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Joe Wilkins


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue May 29 23:07:47 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:07:47 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>

> Guess I'm going to start up another great controversy. Again I'm
> hearkening back to my HC days. When it was first released, one of its
> main claims to fame was the question as to whether or not it WAS a
> database. Certainly, it had all of the attributes and features of
> one. Even with SE30s as a machine; and, with some 2,000 records/
> cards, HC performed acceptably fast considering the simplicity of its
> implementation and subsequent use. So, my question is: has RR done
> such a poor job at duplicating this functionality that we cannot get
> along without specialty DBs in MOST instances? If it has, then at
> what record level must we consider using these other DBs? I realize
> that there ARE many applications that will need a greater capacity,
> but not the average one created by the "average" Rev user. I'd sure
> like to know.


HyperCard excelled at the on-card-per-record sytle of data storage.
Revolution is not so good at that. However there are many other
options before you need to consider using an external database.

I like having a hidden stack with my data in fields on the stack.
If the fields are going to hold a very large amount of data, then
consider using custom properties or text files.

One good way of transferring a HyperCard database to Rev is to export
the data from each card into a text file with each card's data taking
one line of the export. Pick some delimiter to separate the fields and
if your data contains linefeeds or tabs, replace them with some other
symbol. Then Rev can read this file into memory and operate on it at
great speed. Coming from HC, you will love the filter command :-)

Cheers,
Sarah


From soapdog at mac.com  Tue May 29 23:15:27 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 00:15:27 -0300
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <012101c7a266$5f5ea2f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
	<7F4CC63A-0037-49F8-9D10-B4158B38B0E3@mac.com>
	<012101c7a266$5f5ea2f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <EC77CB83-880B-4F5E-9087-F8A229430B2E@mac.com>

Scott,

Thanks, many people were involved in bringing this resource to life,  
I belive we all smile when someone likes it! Don't we all love when  
it works! :-)

remember for each query you do, Apache has to start the revolution  
engine, load the stack, load the database stack, perform the  
operations, build the response and shut everything down. This all  
happens very quickly.

Coding databases in Rev is not like doing SQL databases at all, you  
need to code your software in smart ways, like build indexes and  
really think about your search and cross-reference routines. If  
possible the heavy duty job should be done on database insert/removal/ 
modification. Like when something changes the database, you  
recalculate all kinds of things to speed up your queries. Usually a  
database has more queries than it has modifications so if you make  
the modifications slower (due to extra computation) to make the  
queries faster, people will be happy.

Cheers
andre




On May 29, 2007, at 11:58 PM, Scott Kane wrote:

> From: "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com>
>
>> check http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/lexicon it is a
>
> Very impressive!
>
> Scott Kane
> CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi- 
> Media Music
> "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from  
> magic." Arthur C Clarke
> _______________________________________________
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May 29 23:17:05 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:17:05 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
	<f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <25D470E3-04B6-421F-B5F2-DDD0212E2474@cox.net>

Curiously, Sarah,

That was a method I used to archive HC records, rather than just  
saving the entire stack with all of it's overhead. That would be a  
good idea for archiving Rev records as well. In the HC days I did it  
because I was archiving data on 3.5" 400k or 800k floppy disks. It  
was mandatory. Now it just makes good sense.
Thanks for the reminder,

Joe Wilkins

On May 29, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> Guess I'm going to start up another great controversy. Again I'm
>> hearkening back to my HC days. When it was first released, one of its
>> main claims to fame was the question as to whether or not it WAS a
>> database. Certainly, it had all of the attributes and features of
>> one. Even with SE30s as a machine; and, with some 2,000 records/
>> cards, HC performed acceptably fast considering the simplicity of its
>> implementation and subsequent use. So, my question is: has RR done
>> such a poor job at duplicating this functionality that we cannot get
>> along without specialty DBs in MOST instances? If it has, then at
>> what record level must we consider using these other DBs? I realize
>> that there ARE many applications that will need a greater capacity,
>> but not the average one created by the "average" Rev user. I'd sure
>> like to know.
>
>
> HyperCard excelled at the on-card-per-record sytle of data storage.
> Revolution is not so good at that. However there are many other
> options before you need to consider using an external database.
>
> I like having a hidden stack with my data in fields on the stack.
> If the fields are going to hold a very large amount of data, then
> consider using custom properties or text files.
>
> One good way of transferring a HyperCard database to Rev is to export
> the data from each card into a text file with each card's data taking
> one line of the export. Pick some delimiter to separate the fields and
> if your data contains linefeeds or tabs, replace them with some other
> symbol. Then Rev can read this file into memory and operate on it at
> great speed. Coming from HC, you will love the filter command :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue May 29 23:21:47 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:21:47 -0500
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
	<f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>
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For small databases, (like the simple Address Book sample), the
embedded database/biz logic works pretty well.

But for larger projects, and especially projects where you need to be
able to provide support to many users, it's imperative to separate the
business logic from the data. You can still do this using RunRev
stacks, just have the stacks hold only the data, and you move it from
card to main interface stack. Once this separation is achieved, it's
much simpler to choose whatever format you would like to store your
data in, be it cards, custom props, text file, SQL server, MySQL,
altSQLite, Valentina, etc.

One huge advantage of using an external databsase like SQLite is the
ability to store data outside of RAM. HyperCard used to use a non-RAM
based design, but Rev stores everything in RAM. So, if you have an
address book which has 100,000 records in a single stack, then all the
records would need to be stored in RAM simultaneously, creating
performance problems.

Plus, there are a number of huge advantages of using real databases.
Concurrent users, real transaction management, stored procs, etc..


From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 29 23:29:44 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:29:44 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>
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From: "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com>

> One huge advantage of using an external databsase like SQLite is the 
> ability to store data outside of RAM. HyperCard used to use a non-RAM
> based design, but Rev stores everything in RAM. So, if you have an address 
> book which has 100,000 records in a single stack, then all the
> records would need to be stored in RAM simultaneously, creating 
> performance problems.
>
> Plus, there are a number of huge advantages of using real databases. 
> Concurrent users, real transaction management, stored procs, etc..

Nail on the head, of course.  I'd be curious to know why RR decided to 
change the behaviour of how stacks are read (from file as opposed to loaded 
fully into RAM).  I suspect it would be possible to work around this, I 
believe Rob Cozens does something of the sought with Serendipity, but the 
question is whether it's really worth while given it's all there already 
with a "real" database.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
What a waste of thumbs that are opposable
to make machines that are disposable  -Ani DiFranco 



From scott at cdroo.com  Tue May 29 23:33:40 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:33:40 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><7F4CC63A-0037-49F8-9D10-B4158B38B0E3@mac.com><012101c7a266$5f5ea2f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
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From: "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com>

Hi Andre,

> Thanks, many people were involved in bringing this resource to life,  I 
> belive we all smile when someone likes it! Don't we all love when  it 
> works! :-)

Indeed!   I love finding stuff out about other cultures, too.

> remember for each query you do, Apache has to start the revolution 
> engine, load the stack, load the database stack, perform the  operations, 
> build the response and shut everything down. This all  happens very 
> quickly.

Yes.  I was pleasantly surprised.

> Coding databases in Rev is not like doing SQL databases at all, you  need 
> to code your software in smart ways, like build indexes and  really think 
> about your search and cross-reference routines. If  possible the heavy 
> duty job should be done on database insert/removal/ modification. Like 
> when something changes the database, you  recalculate all kinds of things 
> to speed up your queries. Usually a  database has more queries than it has 
> modifications so if you make  the modifications slower (due to extra 
> computation) to make the  queries faster, people will be happy.

That's quite interesting.  The project I'm considering presently needs to be 
cross-platform and I'd rather not have to worry about shelling (in *nix) or 
using MySQL or similar that require the user to setup the database. 
Normally I'd just go for altSQL as it's a perfect solution - but not so much 
for *nix.  I may well change how I see this but in the meantime your 
comments have given me considerable food for thought.  The index idea is 
very cool.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a 
little way past them into the impossible."
Arthur C Clarke 



From soapdog at mac.com  Tue May 29 23:40:30 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 00:40:30 -0300
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
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	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
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	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
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Chipp,

don't you fear stored procs? (does SQLite has stored procs?)

Yes, the RAM issue is very important. When we built the lexicon, we  
started with a 9 megabytes stack (due to a mistake with a background  
group by yours trully), we wondered about RAM issues. We optmized the  
stack and now I think it has couple megabytes. It's all very fast and  
we keep checking memory and cpu use on the server, we're not  
experiencing any trouble.

On the other hand, for another project we have for collecting  
statistics on multiple clients to a central server where we will use  
complex query to make sense out of raw data, we use postgreSQL.


andre


On May 30, 2007, at 12:21 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> For small databases, (like the simple Address Book sample), the
> embedded database/biz logic works pretty well.
>
> But for larger projects, and especially projects where you need to be
> able to provide support to many users, it's imperative to separate the
> business logic from the data. You can still do this using RunRev
> stacks, just have the stacks hold only the data, and you move it from
> card to main interface stack. Once this separation is achieved, it's
> much simpler to choose whatever format you would like to store your
> data in, be it cards, custom props, text file, SQL server, MySQL,
> altSQLite, Valentina, etc.
>
> One huge advantage of using an external databsase like SQLite is the
> ability to store data outside of RAM. HyperCard used to use a non-RAM
> based design, but Rev stores everything in RAM. So, if you have an
> address book which has 100,000 records in a single stack, then all the
> records would need to be stored in RAM simultaneously, creating
> performance problems.
>
> Plus, there are a number of huge advantages of using real databases.
> Concurrent users, real transaction management, stored procs, etc..
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From jsng at wayoflife.org  Tue May 29 23:36:45 2007
From: jsng at wayoflife.org (Jesse Sng)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:36:45 +0800
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <p06240805c2829ff0a955@[192.168.0.153]>


>One huge advantage of using an external databsase like SQLite is the
>ability to store data outside of RAM. HyperCard used to use a non-RAM
>based design, but Rev stores everything in RAM. So, if you have an
>address book which has 100,000 records in a single stack, then all the
>records would need to be stored in RAM simultaneously, creating
>performance problems.
>
>Plus, there are a number of huge advantages of using real databases.
>Concurrent users, real transaction management, stored procs, etc..

What I can't understand is the given the huge difference in hw 
performance since the days of HC, we should at least expect to have 
something that performs reasonably well and on par with whatever we 
had back then.

But we've gone through all the reasons and I understand, not posting 
this to gripe.


Jesse Sng


From pepetoo at cox.net  Tue May 29 23:57:55 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:57:55 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <p06240805c2829ff0a955@[192.168.0.153]>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
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	<p06240805c2829ff0a955@[192.168.0.153]>
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Jesse,

In case you don't know. HyperCard was written by a genius in assembly  
language. Here I'm going to make an assumption (with all of the known  
dangers of doing so), Rev was written by a "good" programmer;  
probably in a high or higher level language. Big difference. Then Rev  
has to do so much more as well.

Joe Wilkins

On May 29, 2007, at 8:36 PM, Jesse Sng wrote:

>
>> One huge advantage of using an external databsase like SQLite is the
>> ability to store data outside of RAM. HyperCard used to use a non-RAM
>> based design, but Rev stores everything in RAM. So, if you have an
>> address book which has 100,000 records in a single stack, then all  
>> the
>> records would need to be stored in RAM simultaneously, creating
>> performance problems.
>>
>> Plus, there are a number of huge advantages of using real databases.
>> Concurrent users, real transaction management, stored procs, etc..
>
> What I can't understand is the given the huge difference in hw  
> performance since the days of HC, we should at least expect to have  
> something that performs reasonably well and on par with whatever we  
> had back then.
>
> But we've gone through all the reasons and I understand, not  
> posting this to gripe.
>
>
> Jesse Sng
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 30 00:06:35 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:06:35 -0500
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
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Scott Kane wrote:
> I'd be curious to know why RR decided to 
> change the behaviour of how stacks are read (from file as opposed to 
> loaded fully into RAM). 

They didn't; the engine has always worked that way since its original 
MetaCard incarnation. Scott Raney, the creator, wanted speed and so 
wrote the engine to load everything into RAM. The trade-off is that you 
need as much RAM as the size of your stack -- which is one reason why a 
dedicated database is more suitable for huge data sets.

Raney's standard suggestion was that databases larger than 5,000 cards 
should be moved to a "real" external database. Stacks under that number 
perform acceptably well. I have pushed it to 10,000 or so without any 
particular indexing or special efforts, but it does slow down, 
especially if you use the "find" command to locate content. HyperCard 
had its wickedly fast "hint bits" search that Rev doesn't have. When Rev 
searches, it has to look through the text of every field which is much 
slower. However, if you create an index and the scripts reference cards 
by ID (the fastest way) you can increase the number of cards without too 
much lag.

I wrote a database with over 40,000 records, and for that one I loaded a 
text file into RAM and then used a 1-card display stack to show the 
desired record. This method requires that you write all your own 
navigation and search handlers, but it was about as fast as HC when I 
was done.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 30 00:14:20 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:14:20 -0500
Subject: Closing a field by clicking a button -OS X
In-Reply-To: <8C9706222765E31-C44-A058@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com>
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simplsol at aol.com wrote:
> Jacque,
> Thanks for your (very prompt) response.
> Unfortunately it does matter in this situation. setting the flag for 
> unchanged fields will create unnecessary network traffic.
> We need something that will not send the "closeField" unless the field 
> has changed.

Hm. In a very limited test (like, one try) this seemed to work:

on closefield
   put the ticks -- or "setTheFlag" in your script
end closefield

on mousedown
   focus on the target
end mousedown

Not exactly stress-tested though. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Wed May 30 00:14:44 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 01:14:44 -0300
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
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On our lexicon stack we have each card name being the word it stores,  
we use a combination of filters and RegEx to search the data, this  
way, I don't need to loop the cards, I just need to iterate over the  
cardnames, thats why it is fast. I think if you create smart indexes  
and use clever regular expressions to find stuff in this index,  
revolution performs very well.

so in the end, we have our storage in a stack database, but our  
search routines use indexes to find stuff. Still everything is on RAM  
and RAM is faster than disk access.

andre



On May 30, 2007, at 1:06 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Scott Kane wrote:
>> I'd be curious to know why RR decided to change the behaviour of  
>> how stacks are read (from file as opposed to loaded fully into RAM).
>
> They didn't; the engine has always worked that way since its  
> original MetaCard incarnation. Scott Raney, the creator, wanted  
> speed and so wrote the engine to load everything into RAM. The  
> trade-off is that you need as much RAM as the size of your stack --  
> which is one reason why a dedicated database is more suitable for  
> huge data sets.
>
> Raney's standard suggestion was that databases larger than 5,000  
> cards should be moved to a "real" external database. Stacks under  
> that number perform acceptably well. I have pushed it to 10,000 or  
> so without any particular indexing or special efforts, but it does  
> slow down, especially if you use the "find" command to locate  
> content. HyperCard had its wickedly fast "hint bits" search that  
> Rev doesn't have. When Rev searches, it has to look through the  
> text of every field which is much slower. However, if you create an  
> index and the scripts reference cards by ID (the fastest way) you  
> can increase the number of cards without too much lag.
>
> I wrote a database with over 40,000 records, and for that one I  
> loaded a text file into RAM and then used a 1-card display stack to  
> show the desired record. This method requires that you write all  
> your own navigation and search handlers, but it was about as fast  
> as HC when I was done.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 30 00:22:19 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:22:19 -0500
Subject: Getting around the 2 gig limit
Message-ID: <465CFBFB.40906@hyperactivesw.com>

I actually got the following in my mailbox last week but was out of town 
for the weekend and I'm just catching up now. This is from Mark Waddingham:

> I haven't had a chance to check this but something like the
 > following might work (as a workaround):
> 
> on readFrom64 tFile, tFilePosition, tCount, @rData
>     local tResult
>     if tFilePosition <= 2147483647 then
>         read from file tFile at tFilePosition for tCount
>         put the result into tResult
>         put it into rData
>     else
>         seek to 2147483647 in file tFile
>         seek rel tFilePosition - 2147483647 in file tFile
>         read from file tFile for tCount
>         put the result into tResult
>         put it into rData
>     end if
>     return tResult
> end readFrom64
> 
> (mutatis mutandem for writeTo64) 

You gotta love a programmer who gives instructions in Latin. :)

Dave, heads up. You might want to try this.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From alex at harryscollar.com  Wed May 30 00:26:12 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:26:12 +1000
Subject: revBrowser OS X refresh problem
In-Reply-To: <012101c7a266$5f5ea2f0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>	<7F4CC63A-0037-49F8-9D10-B4158B38B0E3@mac.com>
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Hi

Scott Kane wrote:
 > From: "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com>
 >
 >> check http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/lexicon
 >
 > Very impressive!

btw Very nice site!

I just happened to be playing with revBrowser on OS X & plugged the url 
into the Browser Sampler. The site comes up ok but when you type a 
letter and click search the revBrowser window doesn't seem to refresh 
itself completely. In particular the section where the "ajax" magic 
happens. ie. The "Searching..." text appears briefly then is replaced by 
only one line of the results. I then have to manually scroll the 
revbrowser window to initiate a refresh & see the complete results. This 
does not appear to happen on XP. Anyone else confirm this odd behaviour 
on OS X?

Another issue I've noticed is I can't seem to call embedded javascript 
functions with revBrowser on OS X. Again using the above website as an 
example, if you create a rev button with the command:

ON mouseUp
     revBrowserSet the altBrowserId of this stack, "url", 
"javascript:lexiconSearch('a',1);"
     pass mouseUp
END mouseUp

Clicking this button on XP will trigger the javascript function in the 
page and display the results in the revBrowser window. Just like 
normally entering "a" & pressing search on the page or typing 
"javascript:lexiconSearch('a',1);" into a normal browser address bar. 
Again this does not seem to function with revBrowser on OS X. You can 
test this with the Browser Sampler stack by adding the above button or 
removing the source line in the "abLoadURL" function which prepends 
"http://"

This really limits the possibilities of revBrowser on OS X.

I'm having trouble accessing rev's qacenter at the moment so will add a 
report later if one doesn't already exist.

regards
alex






From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May 30 00:26:37 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:26:37 -0700
Subject: Getting around the 2 gig limit
In-Reply-To: <465CFBFB.40906@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <465CFBFB.40906@hyperactivesw.com>
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Hey, Jacque, I thought it was Greek! (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On May 29, 2007, at 9:22 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I actually got the following in my mailbox last week but was out of  
> town for the weekend and I'm just catching up now. This is from  
> Mark Waddingham:
>
>> I haven't had a chance to check this but something like the
> > following might work (as a workaround):
>> on readFrom64 tFile, tFilePosition, tCount, @rData
>>     local tResult
>>     if tFilePosition <= 2147483647 then
>>         read from file tFile at tFilePosition for tCount
>>         put the result into tResult
>>         put it into rData
>>     else
>>         seek to 2147483647 in file tFile
>>         seek rel tFilePosition - 2147483647 in file tFile
>>         read from file tFile for tCount
>>         put the result into tResult
>>         put it into rData
>>     end if
>>     return tResult
>> end readFrom64
>> (mutatis mutandem for writeTo64)
>
> You gotta love a programmer who gives instructions in Latin. :)
>
> Dave, heads up. You might want to try this.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May 30 00:28:42 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:28:42 -0700
Subject: List archives crippled?
Message-ID: <465CFD7A.8030202@fourthworld.com>

Does anyone else find that searching the archives for this list is 
returning ever less useful results in recent weeks?

Is Google broken, or RunRev, or me?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 30 00:42:18 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:42:18 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com><013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
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From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>

> They didn't; the engine has always worked that way since its original 
> MetaCard incarnation. Scott Raney, the creator, wanted speed and so wrote 
> the engine to load everything into RAM. The trade-off is that you need as 
> much RAM as the size of your stack -- which is one reason why a dedicated 
> database is more suitable for huge data sets.

Ah - I see.  Got it.

> Raney's standard suggestion was that databases larger than 5,000 cards 
> should be moved to a "real" external database. Stacks under that number 
> perform acceptably well. I have pushed it to 10,000 or so without any 
> particular indexing or special efforts, but it does slow down, especially 
> if you use the "find" command to locate content. HyperCard had its 
> wickedly fast "hint bits" search that Rev doesn't have. When Rev searches, 
> it has to look through the text of every field which is much slower. 
> However, if you create an index and the scripts reference cards by ID (the 
> fastest way) you can increase the number of cards without too much lag.

Interesting.

> I wrote a database with over 40,000 records, and for that one I loaded a 
> text file into RAM and then used a 1-card display stack to show the 
> desired record. This method requires that you write all your own 
> navigation and search handlers, but it was about as fast as HC when I was 
> done.

Was this on a Windows box though?  My experience with large text files on 
Windows has been that it can really choke.  IIRC this is different under 
*nix style OS'.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is 
possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is 
impossible, he is very probably wrong."
Arthur C Clarke 



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed May 30 00:43:34 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:43:34 -0500
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
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	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
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Probably Richard, Jacque or Ken will jump in here and correct me if
I'm wrong. But, as I recall, the primary reason for writing MetaCard
as a total RAM based product was it made it lightning fast. And to
this day, it is still a very fast programming environment. In many
ways, significantly faster than HyperCard.

Remember, the first platforms MetaCard ran on were UNIX based, which
had virtual memory, so there wasn't a big problem regarding having too
little memory. Also, having  RAM based stacks virtually eliminated the
dreaded stack corruption so prevalent in HC and SC. How many times did
any of us lose data to that particular problem!

While Bill Atkinson certainly was a very talented programmer, and
HyperCard at that time probably demanded a disk-based and Assembly
programmed effort, it was probably not the best choice for programming
languages concerning serviceability. SuperCard, which came later, was
based on a bit easier to maintain language, and while not quite as
fast as HC, was very respectable in terms of performance.

I have as much respect...if not more, for Scott Raney's efforts taking
the best parts of HC, speeding them up significantly and architecting
a solution for multiple platforms. You only need be around during the
MC days to recall what a perfectionist and stickler for details (esp
bugs) he was. His journey and product has lasted much longer than
HC's, partly because of architecture, partly because of business
savvy, and mostly because it solved problems in ways no other software
did.

Also, let's not forget, before the Mac there was Xerox PARC, and their
own 'lamer' version of MacPaint. Before HyperTalk, there was
SmallTalk. I only mention this because in some way or another, all
software is derivative. Don't get me wrong. Andy and Bill were two of
the brightest lights ever to program.

On 5/29/07, Scott Kane <scott at cdroo.com> wrote:

> I'd be curious to know why RR decided to
> change the behaviour of how stacks are read (from file as opposed to loaded
> fully into RAM).  I suspect it would be possible to work around this, I
> believe Rob Cozens does something of the sought with Serendipity, but the
> question is whether it's really worth while given it's all there already
> with a "real" database.


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed May 30 00:45:20 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:45:20 -0500
Subject: List archives crippled?
In-Reply-To: <465CFD7A.8030202@fourthworld.com>
References: <465CFD7A.8030202@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705292145r8dbfde5nb582047e25de61f0@mail.gmail.com>

Google's broken. Try Gmane.


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 30 00:46:37 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:46:37 -0500
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <D1583CBF-2927-4710-9C67-650DC3163E07@mac.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>	<f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>	<013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>	<465CF84B.5060507@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D1583CBF-2927-4710-9C67-650DC3163E07@mac.com>
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Andre Garzia wrote:
> On our lexicon stack we have each card name being the word it stores, we 
> use a combination of filters and RegEx to search the data, this way, I 
> don't need to loop the cards, I just need to iterate over the cardnames, 
> thats why it is fast.

I wonder if you indexed the card IDs to each card name, it'd be even 
faster. Scott Raney said that IDs were the fastest way to reference data 
from or go to a card.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 30 00:49:12 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:49:12 -0500
Subject: Closing a field by clicking a button -OS X
In-Reply-To: <465CFA1C.3090304@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8C97055E12151BF-18E4-9A61@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>	<465CB0D2.8080204@hyperactivesw.com>	<8C9706222765E31-C44-A058@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com>
	<465CFA1C.3090304@hyperactivesw.com>
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J. Landman Gay wrote:
> simplsol at aol.com wrote:
>> Jacque,
>> Thanks for your (very prompt) response.
>> Unfortunately it does matter in this situation. setting the flag for 
>> unchanged fields will create unnecessary network traffic.
>> We need something that will not send the "closeField" unless the field 
>> has changed.
> 
> Hm. In a very limited test (like, one try) this seemed to work:
> 
> on closefield
>   put the ticks -- or "setTheFlag" in your script
> end closefield
> 
> on mousedown
>   focus on the target
> end mousedown
> 
> Not exactly stress-tested though. ;)
> 

So I did it a second time and found out you need something like this:

  on mousedown
    if the target contains "button" then focus on the target
  end mousedown

Because otherwise, clicking on the card gives an error about it not 
being a valid control.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 30 00:54:13 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:54:13 -0500
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <017201c7a274$e9c5d130$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com><013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>	<465CF84B.5060507@hyperactivesw.com>
	<017201c7a274$e9c5d130$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <465D0375.9080002@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott Kane wrote:
> From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
>> I wrote a database with over 40,000 records, and for that one I loaded 
>> a text file into RAM and then used a 1-card display stack to show the 
>> desired record. This method requires that you write all your own 
>> navigation and search handlers, but it was about as fast as HC when I 
>> was done.
> 
> Was this on a Windows box though?  My experience with large text files 
> on Windows has been that it can really choke.  IIRC this is different 
> under *nix style OS'.

Mac OS X. It was very fast loading the text file. But each record was 
fairly small, so 40,000 of them wasn't as large as one might think. It 
was measured in megs rather than gigs, but I don't remember exactly how 
big it was.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed May 30 01:03:01 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:03:01 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705292143m1a8605d4gf13e2c95c881302d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2825395.26CA7%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Chipp Walters wrote:

> I have as much respect...if not more, for Scott Raney's efforts taking
> the best parts of HC, speeding them up significantly and architecting
> a solution for multiple platforms. You only need be around during the
> MC days to recall what a perfectionist and stickler for details (esp
> bugs) he was. His journey and product has lasted much longer than
> HC's, partly because of architecture, partly because of business
> savvy, and mostly because it solved problems in ways no other software
> did.

While you wax poetic, you need to make mention of his inhuman commitment to
support, which is unmatched to this day.  I still look back in amazement at
the times he provided special builds of the engine to work around some last
minute issue I would run into.  The guy was just unbelievable.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 30 01:07:01 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:07:01 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com><7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com><013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com>

> Probably Richard, Jacque or Ken will jump in here and correct me if I'm 
> wrong. But, as I recall, the primary reason for writing MetaCard
> as a total RAM based product was it made it lightning fast. And to this 
> day, it is still a very fast programming environment. In many
> ways, significantly faster than HyperCard.

Thanks, Chipp.

> Remember, the first platforms MetaCard ran on were UNIX based, which had 
> virtual memory, so there wasn't a big problem regarding having too
> little memory. Also, having  RAM based stacks virtually eliminated the 
> dreaded stack corruption so prevalent in HC and SC. How many times did
> any of us lose data to that particular problem!

I've read about this from time to time.  As I know you'll be aware we have 
this problem on Windows no matter what we do to the file or the file 
type -but it's become a heck of a lot better since Windows 2000 and up.

> While Bill Atkinson certainly was a very talented programmer, and 
> HyperCard at that time probably demanded a disk-based and Assembly
> programmed effort, it was probably not the best choice for programming 
> languages concerning serviceability. SuperCard, which came later, was
> based on a bit easier to maintain language, and while not quite as fast as 
> HC, was very respectable in terms of performance.

I see.

> I have as much respect...if not more, for Scott Raney's efforts taking the 
> best parts of HC, speeding them up significantly and architecting
> a solution for multiple platforms. You only need be around during the MC 
> days to recall what a perfectionist and stickler for details (esp
> bugs) he was. His journey and product has lasted much longer than HC's, 
> partly because of architecture, partly because of business
> savvy, and mostly because it solved problems in ways no other software 
> did.

The latter is what makes Rev so facinatning to me.  It does stuff I could do 
in other languages but the time and effort involved in doing it outways the 
usability of Rev.

> Also, let's not forget, before the Mac there was Xerox PARC, and their own 
> 'lamer' version of MacPaint. Before HyperTalk, there was
> SmallTalk. I only mention this because in some way or another, all 
> software is derivative. Don't get me wrong. Andy and Bill were two of
> the brightest lights ever to program.

Haven't heard reference to Xerox PARC for several years now.  I agree, 
software is without doubt derivative.  Coming to transcript relatively 
recently (only a few years and admittedly grocking it properly even more 
recently) was both surprising, initially alarming and incredibly refreshing. 
My own experience of programming has never been anything like transcript. 
I'm sure other people using other IDE's and compilers would agree.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"Nobody can go back and start a new beginning, but anyone can start
today and make a new ending." -- Maria Robinson 



From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 30 01:10:39 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:10:39 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com><013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>	<465CF84B.5060507@hyperactivesw.com><017201c7a274$e9c5d130$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<465D0375.9080002@hyperactivesw.com>
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----- Original Message ----- 

> Mac OS X. It was very fast loading the text file. But each record was 
> fairly small, so 40,000 of them wasn't as large as one might think. It was 
> measured in megs rather than gigs, but I don't remember exactly how big it 
> was.

The original data I'm looking at importing is well and truly over one 
million records.  Naturally I don't expect to bring this into *any* single 
file format complete and would be breaking it down into to sub categories of 
sub categories.  The text files on a *nix system take around 3 Gig unpacked. 
On Windows this is increased to a factor of four (70% of which is slack 
space).  So I'm indeed valuing the input I'm seeing here from HC etc vets.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C Clarke 



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May 30 01:19:16 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:19:16 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
Message-ID: <465D0954.9040903@fourthworld.com>

Scott Kane wrote:

> I'd be curious to know why RR decided to change the behaviour of how
> stacks are read (from file as opposed to loaded fully into RAM).

Everything in computing involves tradeoffs.  The question of HC's 
storage vs. Rev's is about paging:

HC is constantly picking up and putting down small portions of stack 
files, hoping to keep accurate track of which piece it left where when. 
  This paging adds tremendous complexity to the management of such data, 
and even in the hands of experienced developers such methods are 
inherently prone to corruption.  Error 5454 was a popular experience for 
HC folks, and note that FileMaker, which also uses a paging scheme, 
solved the problem only by putting an item in the File menu specifically 
for rebuilding files that have been corrupted, it happens so often. 
With unusual care it was possible to have an unusually low number of 
corrupted stacks in HC, but I never met a HyperCard developer who didn't 
get a 5454 at least once.

And for all that complexity and fragility, we still have a system whose 
inventor made it clear more than once that he felt it was not a 
substitute for a database (popular usage conflicting with his 
recommendation notwithstanding).

Raney took Aktinson's advice and built a system optimized to favor that 
wisdom:  if it's not a database, why create the fragile illusion that it 
should be used as one, when there's a whole world of both performance 
enhancement and developer control available.

The latter is an interesting point:  HC always saved, whenever it wanted 
to, and you had no control over that.  But in the rest of the world 
users are in control of what gets saved, what gets discarded, what gets 
reverted, etc.  With Rev, you're in the driver's seat.  If you want to 
save, then just save, and if not then don't.  You can implement 
traditional document behaviors with Rev which just weren't possible in 
HC-based apps.

Extra bonus points: Since Rev stacks are written to disk as a single 
operation, true corruption of the stack file is a very rare thing.  In 
more than a decade with the product I've only seen one true case or 
corruption, and only heard of maybe two others which might possibly have 
been corruption.  That brings the failure rate due to the memory 
management scheme down from HC by several orders of magnitude.


> I suspect it would be possible to work around this, I believe Rob Cozens
> does something of the sought with Serendipity, but the question is
> whether it's really worth while given it's all there already with a
> "real" database.

What is "real"?

A "database" could be seen more generically as a "data store", which may 
help us appreciate the differences between a simple flat-file like HC 
and a full-blown RDBMS, with its relationality, data types, and other 
features which aren't part of the HC model.

So think about it:  if all you need is rows and columns, why not just 
use rows and columns?

Why bother with the overhead of storing the data in fields on cards, 
when you can easily parse item and line chunks of a single block of data 
so very efficiently?

I've been using simple tab-delimited tables for a wide range of 
application data for years, and have found it reasonably efficient for 
data sets of up to 50,000 records, sometimes more.  Even HC bogs down 
with 50,000 cards, and putting my records into HC fields and cards would 
bloat the storage size by several MBs with all the unnecessary object 
overhead.

I started out writing these tables to text files, but inevitably I found 
I wanted multiple tables, metadata, and a lot more.  So instead I just 
started tucking these tables into custom properties, and today my 
favorite data file format is the stack file once again -- but rather 
than using fields on a large number of cards, I store entire tables in a 
single custom property, along with anything else I want in any other 
properties, all easily and robustly accessible using native Rev commands.

And think about it:  since every Rev object has multiple property sets, 
and a stack can have any number of cards, and cards can have groups, 
etc. -- all this means you can have richly hierarchically-ordered data 
sets using just custom properties.   Hierarchies reflect much of the 
world's taxonomy, and were not gracefully done with HC.

So in brief, while Rev does ask developers to think about the needs of 
their data more carefully, it also provides many rich ways to work with 
that data very efficiently, all with native commands.  For any project 
with fewer than 50,000 records per table (probably about 80-90% of all 
projects <g>), you may find you can do everything you need without a 
single database connection.  And as your needs grow, Rev provides those too.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed May 30 01:55:20 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:55:20 -0700
Subject: Getting around the 2 gig limit
Message-ID: <465D11C8.6010501@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I actually got the following in my mailbox last week but was out of town 
> for the weekend and I'm just catching up now. This is from Mark Waddingham:
> 
>> I haven't had a chance to check this but something like the
>  > following might work (as a workaround):
>> 
>> on readFrom64 tFile, tFilePosition, tCount, @rData
>>     local tResult
>>     if tFilePosition <= 2147483647 then
>>         read from file tFile at tFilePosition for tCount
>>         put the result into tResult
>>         put it into rData
>>     else
>>         seek to 2147483647 in file tFile
>>         seek rel tFilePosition - 2147483647 in file tFile
>>         read from file tFile for tCount
>>         put the result into tResult
>>         put it into rData
>>     end if
>>     return tResult
>> end readFrom64

So after all the sturm und drang it turns out the the seek command still 
works on larger files?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From simplsol at aol.com  Wed May 30 02:18:25 2007
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 02:18:25 -0400
Subject: Closing a field by clicking a button -OS X
In-Reply-To: <465D0248.80907@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8C97055E12151BF-18E4-9A61@mblk-d43.sysops.aol.com>	<465CB0D2.8080204@hyperactivesw.com>	<8C9706222765E31-C44-A058@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com>	<465CFA1C.3090304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<465D0248.80907@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8C9709977422420-1C48-A749@mblk-d45.sysops.aol.com>

Jacque,
You are certainly keeping "programmer hours" - it's late even out here 
in LA.
I had tried the focus trick and, like you, discovered a lot of things 
"focused on" return the not valid control error (I got it with 
graphics, backgrounds, etc.)
The problem with confining the script to buttons clicked is that it 
makes no provision for menus clicked. Or does it? Menus are buttons in 
Rev. I'll check.
And, again, thank you.
Paul Looney


-----Original Message-----
From: J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tue, 29 May 2007 9:49 pm
Subject: Re: Closing a field by clicking a button -OS X

J. Landman Gay wrote:?
> simplsol at aol.com wrote:?
>> Jacque,?
>> Thanks for your (very prompt) response.?
>> Unfortunately it does matter in this situation. setting the flag for
>> unchanged fields will create unnecessary network traffic.?
>> We need something that will not send the "closeField" unless the 
field
>> has changed.?
>
> Hm. In a very limited test (like, one try) this seemed to work:?
>
> on closefield?
>   put the ticks -- or "setTheFlag" in your script?
> end closefield?
>
> on mousedown?
>   focus on the target?
> end mousedown?
>
> Not exactly stress-tested though. ;)?
> ?
So I did it a second time and found out you need something like this:?

?on mousedown?
?  if the target contains "button" then focus on the target?
?end mousedown??

Because otherwise, clicking on the card gives an error about it not
being a valid control.?
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com?

HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com?
________________________________________________________________________
AOL now offers free email to everyone.  Find out more about what's free 
from AOL at AOL.com.
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed May 30 02:29:34 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:29:34 -0700
Subject: Custom property set
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705291905i61a4e3d9p11a98d363eb286be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860705291806r2ef17230l896954bebf29f03d@mail.gmail.com>
	<F57B085C-D5ED-46D4-AB05-E8245C28FFF5@mac.com>
	<f99b52860705291905i61a4e3d9p11a98d363eb286be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2344746572.20070529232934@ahsoftware.net>

Sarah-

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 7:05:37 PM, you wrote:

>     set the custompropertyset of this stack to "cStoredData"
>     put the customkeys of this stack into tKeys
>     set the custompropertyset of this stack to ""

I find that saving and restoring the original set saves me from the
Law of Unforseen Consequences... normally it's empty to start with
anyway, but you never know...

     put the custompropertyset of this stack into tOldSet
     set the custompropertyset of this stack to "cStoredData"
     put the customkeys of this stack into tKeys
     set the custompropertyset of this stack to tOldSet

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From revolution at jaedworks.com  Wed May 30 02:05:10 2007
From: revolution at jaedworks.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:05:10 -0700
Subject: Custom property set
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860705291905i61a4e3d9p11a98d363eb286be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860705291806r2ef17230l896954bebf29f03d@mail.gmail.com>
	<F57B085C-D5ED-46D4-AB05-E8245C28FFF5@mac.com>
	<f99b52860705291905i61a4e3d9p11a98d363eb286be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0621028bc282c4693916@[66.93.39.98]>

At 12:05 PM +1000 5/30/2007, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>For the benefit of anyone else struggling with this, here is what I
>ended up with:
>
>    set the custompropertyset of this stack to "cStoredData"
>    put the customkeys of this stack into tKeys
>    set the custompropertyset of this stack to ""
>
>Setting the customPropertySet to empty puts it back to the default.


There's actually an even easier way:

   put the customKeys["cStoredData"] of this stack into tKeys
-- 
jeanne a. e. devoto ~ revolution at jaedworks.com
http://www.jaedworks.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed May 30 02:33:22 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 23:33:22 -0700
Subject: List archives crippled?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705292145r8dbfde5nb582047e25de61f0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <465CFD7A.8030202@fourthworld.com>
	<7aa52a210705292145r8dbfde5nb582047e25de61f0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9344975501.20070529233322@ahsoftware.net>

Chipp-

Tuesday, May 29, 2007, 9:45:20 PM, you wrote:

> Google's broken. Try Gmane.

Gmane, Nabble, Mail Archive. Google's been broken for over a year now.
Somebody probably didn't pay a high enough bribe to be indexed.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 30 02:52:48 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:52:48 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <465D0954.9040903@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <01cf01c7a287$24ad2480$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>

Richard,

> Everything in computing involves tradeoffs.  The question of HC's storage 
> vs. Rev's is about paging:

Indeed.  Makes sense.

> With unusual care it was possible to have an unusually low number of 
> corrupted stacks in HC, but I never met a HyperCard developer who didn't 
> get a 5454 at least once.

I see.  Interesting stuff.  Thanks.

> And for all that complexity and fragility, we still have a system whose 
> inventor made it clear more than once that he felt it was not a substitute 
> for a database (popular usage conflicting with his recommendation 
> notwithstanding).

LOL.

> Raney took Aktinson's advice and built a system optimized to favor that 
> wisdom:  if it's not a database, why create the fragile illusion that it 
> should be used as one, when there's a whole world of both performance 
> enhancement and developer control available.

Hmm.  Makes sense.  Though I can see how people would get the incorrect 
impression, his recommendation or not.  <g>

> What is "real"?

OK.  I was trying very hard to avoid that line, but it slipped in. <g>

> A "database" could be seen more generically as a "data store", which may 
> help us appreciate the differences between a simple flat-file like HC and 
> a full-blown RDBMS, with its relationality, data types, and other features 
> which aren't part of the HC model.

Yep.

> So think about it:  if all you need is rows and columns, why not just use 
> rows and columns?

Agreed.  Though in my own case - not committed yet - to a particular project 
it's still pretty hefty a load to lift.  Though custom prop's are something 
I've been giving considerable thought to in relation to resolving it.

> Why bother with the overhead of storing the data in fields on cards, when 
> you can easily parse item and line chunks of a single block of data so 
> very efficiently?

I have to say that I'd not come across something that makes handling arrays 
so easy until I met Rev.

> I've been using simple tab-delimited tables for a wide range of 
> application data for years, and have found it reasonably efficient for 
> data sets of up to 50,000 records, sometimes more.  Even HC bogs down with 
> 50,000 cards, and putting my records into HC fields and cards would bloat 
> the storage size by several MBs with all the unnecessary object overhead.

Yep.  I can see that.

> I started out writing these tables to text files, but inevitably I found I 
> wanted multiple tables, metadata, and a lot more.  So instead I just 
> started tucking these tables into custom properties, and today my favorite 
> data file format is the stack file once again -- but rather than using 
> fields on a large number of cards, I store entire tables in a single 
> custom property, along with anything else I want in any other properties, 
> all easily and robustly accessible using native Rev commands.

This is where Chipp's point makes sense too.  Seperation of the business 
logic from the UI.

> And think about it:  since every Rev object has multiple property sets, 
> and a stack can have any number of cards, and cards can have groups, 
> etc. -- all this means you can have richly hierarchically-ordered data 
> sets using just custom properties.   Hierarchies reflect much of the 
> world's taxonomy, and were not gracefully done with HC.

Oh I've been taking advantage of exactly that for some time now.  :-)

> So in brief, while Rev does ask developers to think about the needs of 
> their data more carefully, it also provides many rich ways to work with 
> that data very efficiently, all with native commands.  For any project 
> with fewer than 50,000 records per table (probably about 80-90% of all 
> projects <g>), you may find you can do everything you need without a 
> single database connection.  And as your needs grow, Rev provides those 
> too.

Yep.  As I say my curiosity is to see how far the paradigm can be pushed. 
As I suspected there are some limitations there that make huge datasets a 
challenge, but certainly not insurmountable.

Thanks for your points (all of them) I really appreciate it!

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  &Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"There are two ways of being deceived.  One is to believe that which is not
true.  The other is to not believe that which is true." S?ren Aabye
Kierkegaard



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May 30 03:30:45 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:30:45 +0100
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
Message-ID: <200705300830.45779.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

"And think about it:  since every Rev object has multiple property sets, 
and a stack can have any number of cards, and cards can have groups, 
etc. -- all this means you can have richly hierarchically-ordered data 
sets using just custom properties.   Hierarchies reflect much of the 
world's taxonomy, and were not gracefully done with HC."

Guys, if this is such a great feature of Revolution  - and I believe it, the 
description is suggestive, promising, interesting  -  possibly someone with 
the good of the platform at heart should consider writing a tutorial and 
example on it?  

Richard speaks with authority and has done the work to prove it.  But trying 
to do it with just this as a guide just looks like hours of frustration 
trying to make something work that one has only a sketchy idea of.

Sqlite may well be overkill for what DS called the 'inventive user', and 
Python probably still more so.  But you can connect to sqlite from Python 
using the wrappers in two lines.  You can make yourself a one table sqlite 
database in 20 seconds using the sqlitebrowser gui.  And its all documented.  
Your inventive user doesn't end up sitting there for hours trying one thing 
after another struggling with ODBC, the shell, iODBC, DSN...and so on.   He 
just looks it up, does it, and it works....  

Yes, he still has to learn Python.  Believe me, there are times when that can 
seem like it would be light relief!

Just a thought,

Peter


From toolbook at kestner.de  Wed May 30 03:49:55 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:49:55 +0200
Subject: All this talk about DataBases - but how to select?
Message-ID: <000201c7a28f$1e5e5470$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Now I have to get into this very interesting thread as a rev novice too.

Storing data is one thing and the possibilities of rev are really perfect.
But how do you get a good performance accesing the however stored datas in a
stack (cards / properties / properties loaded into arrays)?

Saying I want a simple "find all records including / starting with a search
string and some other filters"  a simple "SQL SELECT WHERE" does all the
work for me in a very good performance. Storing the datas in whatever self
made rev structures I have to go with REPEAT LOOPS thru all records, using
perhaps LINEOFFSET() and some IF THEN comparisons. For my experience yet it
is not that performant as SQL with say 10,000 records. But probably I am
still missing some sophisticated indexing technics which I don't see yet.
Anyone willing to share your search / find technology with properties or
arrays?

Thank you

Tiemo

 

 

 



From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 30 03:59:48 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:59:48 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <200705300830.45779.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01e401c7a290$80883930$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>

> Guys, if this is such a great feature of Revolution  - and I believe it, 
> the description is suggestive, promising, interesting  -  possibly someone 
> with
> the good of the platform at heart should consider writing a tutorial and 
> example on it?

Dan Shaefer has a fairly good eBook that gets one started.  From there I 
think the answer, as it always tends to be, is experience handling Rev.

> Richard speaks with authority and has done the work to prove it.  But 
> trying to do it with just this as a guide just looks like hours of 
> frustration
> trying to make something work that one has only a sketchy idea of.

While I'd not be at all adverse to seeing some examples people with the kind 
of background and experience, Richard, has, I think Dan's book is a good 
starting point.


Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  &Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come."  Victor Hugo 



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed May 30 04:28:03 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 03:28:03 -0500
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <018701c7a278$5d518fb0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
	<f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<7aa52a210705292143m1a8605d4gf13e2c95c881302d@mail.gmail.com>
	<018701c7a278$5d518fb0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705300128x46eff00em7be1ddd797cc3f69@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/30/07, Scott Kane <scott at cdroo.com> wrote:

> I've read about this from time to time.  As I know you'll be aware we have
> this problem on Windows no matter what we do to the file or the file
> type -but it's become a heck of a lot better since Windows 2000 and up.

Hi Scott,

Are you saying you have Rev stack corruption problems on Windows?
Since I started using MetaCard and Rev, I've never..not
once..encountered a stack corruption error. As you know, I've
delivered several commercial apps, for Altuit and other customers, and
to my knowledge have never had a report of a corrupted data stack
either.

AFAIK, the RAM architecture Raney designed early on, is working extremely well!

-Chipp


From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed May 30 04:39:28 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:39:28 +0100
Subject: Getting around the 2 gig limit
In-Reply-To: <465CFBFB.40906@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <465CFBFB.40906@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <74BC7B09-72A1-4CF5-BDA9-E5CDB8406A47@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

It's ok now, I just wrote some external commands that use the 64 Bit  
Interface to do it. I reckon it would have been quicker to just  
change the code to use 64 bits in the Read/Write etc. routines then  
come up with the solution below!

All the Best
Dave

On 30 May 2007, at 05:22, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I actually got the following in my mailbox last week but was out of  
> town for the weekend and I'm just catching up now. This is from  
> Mark Waddingham:
>
>> I haven't had a chance to check this but something like the
> > following might work (as a workaround):
>> on readFrom64 tFile, tFilePosition, tCount, @rData
>>     local tResult
>>     if tFilePosition <= 2147483647 then
>>         read from file tFile at tFilePosition for tCount
>>         put the result into tResult
>>         put it into rData
>>     else
>>         seek to 2147483647 in file tFile
>>         seek rel tFilePosition - 2147483647 in file tFile
>>         read from file tFile for tCount
>>         put the result into tResult
>>         put it into rData
>>     end if
>>     return tResult
>> end readFrom64
>> (mutatis mutandem for writeTo64)




From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 30 05:02:55 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:02:55 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com><7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com><013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><7aa52a210705292143m1a8605d4gf13e2c95c881302d@mail.gmail.com><018701c7a278$5d518fb0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<7aa52a210705300128x46eff00em7be1ddd797cc3f69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <020401c7a299$51e8b650$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com>

G'day Chipp,

> Are you saying you have Rev stack corruption problems on Windows?

One person had problems on Win 98 with one of my stacks.  Repeatedly.  I 
took the same application to another machine (running Win 2K) and there was 
not a single error.  Their HD checked out, RAM was minimal but adequate for 
the task, but it kept failing.  Could not reproduce the error even in a VM 
with Win 98 as the client.  So I came to the conclusion it was the vagaries 
of Win98. It didn't bother me much as I've found Win 98 users don't tend to 
buy new software much anyway (though they sure like the free stuff and 
demand that that runs <g>).

> Since I started using MetaCard and Rev, I've never..not  once..encountered 
> a stack corruption error. As you know, I've
> delivered several commercial apps, for Altuit and other customers, and to 
> my knowledge have never had a report of a corrupted data stack
> either.

I might have been unlucky, but I've seen Access do the same thing along with 
Paradox, dBase and all the other flatfile db's - yet work flawlessly with 
Win2K and above.  Fat32 never was "robust".  ;)

> AFAIK, the RAM architecture Raney designed early on, is working extremely 
> well!

Indeed and I'm certainly not complaining or trying to give the impression of 
anything other than that.  I don't have any respect for Win95, 98 or Mil 
however.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  &Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"There are two ways of being deceived.  One is to believe that which is not
true.  The other is to not believe that which is true." S?ren Aabye
Kierkegaard



From heather at runrev.com  Wed May 30 05:48:40 2007
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:48:40 +0100
Subject: Hammering on RunRev's door . . .
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705291952g5dd29a96g910c991d4cf71c39@mail.gmail.com>
References: <465C9411.7070003@fourthworld.com>
	<7aa52a210705291952g5dd29a96g910c991d4cf71c39@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <385B263E-A6B4-4DE9-BCC0-8A78BE86F80B@runrev.com>

Certainly can.

Anybody who has a need to build for Mac Classic, and doesn't have an  
old 2.6.1 license hanging around, is welcome to write to support and  
request access to 2.6.1. I'll happily supply.

Regards,

Heather


On 30 May 2007, at 03:52, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Can't existing users with a license download 2.6.1 free of charge? I
> would think so.
>
> -Chipp
> _______________________________________________
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com





From sims at ezpzapps.com  Wed May 30 05:55:27 2007
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:55:27 +0200
Subject: Showing off stuff at ED-MEDIA
In-Reply-To: <11644496091.20070529232523@ahsoftware.net>
References: <11644496091.20070529232523@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <A3C28F8B-61B5-4A54-9DF6-ADBED420F35B@ezpzapps.com>


On May 30, 2007, at 8:25 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> sims-
>
> Might I suggest that your Ganesha stack would be a good candidate here
> of something simple and splashy you can do without powerpoint?

Sure, I just uploaded the stack - use it however you wish. There are two
small buttons in the bottom corners when it opens - turn your sound  
volume
up when you play  ;-)  There is a wav sound file in it, I compressed  
the sound
a bit as I am on dial-up here, on the sister island Gozo.

Contains brain-dead, appropriately enough for me, scripts. Anyone can  
make it.

http://www.ezpzapps.com/BigGanesh.rev.zip

I made this as an 'easter egg' for one of my project. When Andre was  
visiting
and building a server we had five Ganeshes on the work bench... just  
in case  ;-)

Jim Sims
Custom Software Development
www.EZPZapps.com




From geradamas at yahoo.com  Wed May 30 09:59:06 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:59:06 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Hammering on RunRev's door . . .
Message-ID: <395446.1050.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The 2 reasons why this is a problem are:

1. because the way engines are packaged in 2.8.1.

I replaced revStandaloneSettings.rev (2.8.1) with its
older brother from 2.6.1 and it merrily came up with
the choice of 3 types of Mac Classic builds (What do
we now call 68K Mac; "Veteran" ?) - and then had a
problem downloading the engine.

2. That people can't be bothered to crack open a
pre-2.7 version of RR and use that.

Now what I suggested was NOT an earlier version of RR
that ran ONLY on Classic and built ONLY for Classic:
but versions of 2.6.1 for ALL platforms that built
ONLY for Classic.

Although, as I have pointed out several times on this
list; the "Free" (10-line restricted) version 2.0.1
does a fine job building for Classic - and were RR to
rerelease that (Um, possibly Free) with the Classic
engine that was current when it was initially released
only picky types would be dissatisfied.

However, rereleasing 2.0.1 as a Free, restricted
version may conflict with RR's marketing strategy.

Some of us "out here" would argue that rereleasing
2.0.1 would act as a taster that would incentivise
people to stump up the money for the more "Whizz-Bang"
later versions [although, a niggling voice in my head
keeps asking just how much more W-B the newer versions
really are].

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson 

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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed May 30 10:04:26 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 15:04:26 +0100
Subject: Hammering on RunRev's door . . .
In-Reply-To: <395446.1050.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <395446.1050.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B29CCFEB-7F48-4559-A992-47819D72200A@azurevision.co.uk>


On 30 May 2007, at 14:59, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> The 2 reasons why this is a problem are:

It's not at ALL clear who you are answering. Heather saying that  
2.6.1 is available to everyone with a newer licence?

Ian


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed May 30 10:28:44 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:28:44 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>
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> But for larger projects, and especially projects where you 
> need to be able to provide support to many users, it's 
> imperative to separate the business logic from the data. You 
> can still do this using RunRev stacks, just have the stacks 
> hold only the data, and you move it from card to main 
> interface stack. Once this separation is achieved, it's much 
> simpler to choose whatever format you would like to store 
> your data in, be it cards, custom props, text file, SQL 
> server, MySQL, altSQLite, Valentina, etc.
> 
> One huge advantage of using an external databsase like SQLite 
> is the ability to store data outside of RAM. HyperCard used 
> to use a non-RAM based design, but Rev stores everything in 
> RAM. So, if you have an address book which has 100,000 
> records in a single stack, then all the records would need to 
> be stored in RAM simultaneously, creating performance problems.
> 
> Plus, there are a number of huge advantages of using real databases.
> Concurrent users, real transaction management, stored procs, etc..

I strongly agree with Chipp - of course I have some interest in databases
with Valentina. An application development environment really has to be able
to do everything, yet it cannot be good at everything. By storing data in a
database, you can leverage capabilities that offer greater protection,
speed, implementation options and sophistication specific to the storage of
data. This has little to do with the actual development tool in particular -
xCode, Visual Studio, Revolution, or whatever.

Isolating you data from your GUI means you have much greater control over
how your data is interacted with - reducing the opportunity for mishap. A
lot of corporate IT departments view this as common sense.

Later you might want to further isolate the business logic as well in such a
way that it makes it easier to modify, improve, replace - making your
applications much smarter and scalable. This is an area where I know folks
like Chipp and Jerry have a lot of experience so they probably have more
real life examples of the hows and whys.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 30 10:35:22 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:35:22 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com><7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <001c01c7a2c7$c4c8bcf0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Lynn Fredricks" <lfredricks at proactive-intl.com>

> I strongly agree with Chipp - of course I have some interest in databases
> with Valentina. An application development environment really has to be 
> able
> to do everything, yet it cannot be good at everything. By storing data in 
> a
> database, you can leverage capabilities that offer greater protection,
> speed, implementation options and sophistication specific to the storage 
> of
> data. This has little to do with the actual development tool in 
> particular -
> xCode, Visual Studio, Revolution, or whatever.

Yes indeed.  I do this as a matter of course in Delphi, but I guess I was 
curious how far one could push the stack/card paradigm (no pun intended 
<g>).

> Isolating you data from your GUI means you have much greater control over
> how your data is interacted with - reducing the opportunity for mishap. A
> lot of corporate IT departments view this as common sense.

It makes sense for code reuse as well of course.

> Later you might want to further isolate the business logic as well in such 
> a
> way that it makes it easier to modify, improve, replace - making your
> applications much smarter and scalable. This is an area where I know folks
> like Chipp and Jerry have a lot of experience so they probably have more
> real life examples of the hows and whys.

Yes.  Absolutely.  Self healing of applications is certainly a very smart 
idea.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"In painting a tiger you can paint the skin, but not the bones."  Confucius 



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed May 30 11:42:58 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:42:58 +0100
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <A4932944-0FD4-4136-8063-9424A0105230@cox.net>
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On 30 May 2007, at 04:57, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Jesse,
>
> In case you don't know. HyperCard was written by a genius in  
> assembly language. Here I'm going to make an assumption (with all  
> of the known dangers of doing so), Rev was written by a "good"  
> programmer; probably in a high or higher level language. Big  
> difference. Then Rev has to do so much more as well.

You're courting controversy here, Joe. :-)

As others have mentioned, Metacard was written to be RAM-based. One  
advantage is that most things are much faster than Hypercard. The  
downside is that for large data storage, some kind of external  
storage is needed.

One of the first tasks I ever tried to do in Hypercard was create a  
"word frequency" routine that counted the number of occurrences of  
separate words in a large text file. (1MB +) It was so slow that I  
took the trouble to learn C so that I could make an external. Years  
later, when I first used Metacard, I could use the "repeat for each"  
routine to do it as fast as the external. I know who I thought was  
the genius at the time. :-)

Cheers
Dave



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed May 30 11:55:36 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:55:36 +0100
Subject: Checking if a file has copied completly
In-Reply-To: <001c01c7a2c7$c4c8bcf0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com><7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<01cf01c7a2c6$d4102280$6601a8c0@GATEWAY>
	<001c01c7a2c7$c4c8bcf0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <CD8004A0-8801-4530-8D2B-A9647E382B3B@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I have an App that scan a "hot" folder looking for input files. This  
works fine if the file being dragged into the folder is on the local  
machine (since it just does a move of the file). However if a file is  
dragged from another machine on the LAN (and it's Copied), the App  
sees the file as soon as it appears in the Folder and starts  
processing a partial file.

My question is:

Is there anyway in RunRev to check if the file has been completely  
copied?

Any other suggestions on how to get around this problem would be  
greatly appreciated.

All the Best
Dave



From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed May 30 11:59:02 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:59:02 -0500
Subject: Checking if a file has copied completly
In-Reply-To: <CD8004A0-8801-4530-8D2B-A9647E382B3B@looktowindward.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com><7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>	<01cf01c7a2c6$d4102280$6601a8c0@GATEWAY>	<001c01c7a2c7$c4c8bcf0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<CD8004A0-8801-4530-8D2B-A9647E382B3B@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <465D9F46.3060105@dreamscapesoftware.com>

> Is there anyway in RunRev to check if the file has been completely copied?

I'm unaware of any specific command to do what you want, but what you
may try is to have your app check the size of the file over a duration
of time, like 5 or 10 seconds, to see if it's file size changes.  If it
does change, then the file is still being copied.  If it doesn't, then
it should be done.

Granted, this doesn't account for network lag time, but it should do the
trick.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software

____________________________________________
Compress photos easily with JPEGCompress
www.dreamscapesoftware.com




Dave wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have an App that scan a "hot" folder looking for input files. This
> works fine if the file being dragged into the folder is on the local
> machine (since it just does a move of the file). However if a file is
> dragged from another machine on the LAN (and it's Copied), the App sees
> the file as soon as it appears in the Folder and starts processing a
> partial file.
> 
> My question is:
> 
> Is there anyway in RunRev to check if the file has been completely copied?
> 
> Any other suggestions on how to get around this problem would be greatly
> appreciated.
> 
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed May 30 12:00:01 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:00:01 +0100
Subject: Checking if a file has copied completly
In-Reply-To: <CD8004A0-8801-4530-8D2B-A9647E382B3B@looktowindward.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com><7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<01cf01c7a2c6$d4102280$6601a8c0@GATEWAY>
	<001c01c7a2c7$c4c8bcf0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
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Message-ID: <21661965-67BC-4174-8661-7D7966B47CB3@azurevision.co.uk>

If it's on OS X, I'd suggest using a folder action and alerting your  
app via AppleScript - this shouldn't trigger until the file is fully  
copied.

Otherwise (and if building an AS dictionary is too much of a pain)  
I'm not really sure and was wondering myself. Maybe a loop which  
watches the file size until it's been constant for a long enough  
period? A bit unpredictable, though.

Ian

On 30 May 2007, at 16:55, Dave wrote:

> However if a file is dragged from another machine on the LAN (and  
> it's Copied), the App sees the file as soon as it appears in the  
> Folder and starts processing a partial file.
>
> Is there anyway in RunRev to check if the file has been completely  
> copied?




From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May 30 12:09:02 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:09:02 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <7B67A877-C70E-42E5-A981-6B562A50F383@lacscentre.co.uk>
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Hey Dave,

My first comment when I started this thread was "another great  
controversy" (smile). No question but what HC had its limitations.  
Without CompileIt I would have been real discouraged back then; but  
as the machines got faster, particularly with my externals written in  
native HyperTalk and compiled with CompileIt, I was able to do some  
pretty great things. At least my clients were happy. (most of the  
time). These really weren't the issues that I hoped would - and DID -  
surface on this great list. I'd try a summary at this point, but  
doubt that I would do most of it real justice. AND if I just had the  
time. Besides, Richard did a pretty darned good job of that already.

Thanks to each and everyone of you who contributed to this Q&A about  
Data Bases. I think it has been very valuable; whether or not it has  
changed any minds.  It has certainly given me some ideas and  
approaches that would not have had otherwise. Fortunately, for the  
kinds of things I, personally, will be doing, I will find Rev's  
capabilities more than adequate, as will most of Rev's users.

Joe Wilkins


On May 30, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:

>
> On 30 May 2007, at 04:57, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>
>> Jesse,
>>
>> In case you don't know. HyperCard was written by a genius in  
>> assembly language. Here I'm going to make an assumption (with all  
>> of the known dangers of doing so), Rev was written by a "good"  
>> programmer; probably in a high or higher level language. Big  
>> difference. Then Rev has to do so much more as well.
>
> You're courting controversy here, Joe. :-)
>
> As others have mentioned, Metacard was written to be RAM-based. One  
> advantage is that most things are much faster than Hypercard. The  
> downside is that for large data storage, some kind of external  
> storage is needed.
>
> One of the first tasks I ever tried to do in Hypercard was create a  
> "word frequency" routine that counted the number of occurrences of  
> separate words in a large text file. (1MB +) It was so slow that I  
> took the trouble to learn C so that I could make an external. Years  
> later, when I first used Metacard, I could use the "repeat for  
> each" routine to do it as fast as the external. I know who I  
> thought was the genius at the time. :-)
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
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From rcozens at pon.net  Wed May 30 12:32:51 2007
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:32:51 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
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Scott, Joe, et al:

>I believe Rob Cozens does something of the sought [partially load a 
>db stack] with Serendipity, but the question is whether it's really 
>worth while given it's all there already with a "real" database.

I've followed this thread this far wondering "should I bother to 
mention SDB, considering the underwhelming response it has received 
from the RunRun community?"

Scott & Andre might offer some insight in this regard, as both have 
at least looked at SDB.  I've had eConversations with others who said 
they would look at SDB; but no followup questions, suggestions, or 
complaints.  So I don't know if folks found it unsuitable or 
incomprehensible (Paul L., Our issues were different: you wanted SDB 
to work like EpsiTalk, which it could not do due to the issue Scott 
noted above--the entire database stack _is_ loaded in RAM & must be 
updated when one record changes.)

If a "real" database must by definition only partially load to RAM, 
then SDB is not a "real" db.  OTOH, SDB supports multiuser 
client/server access with both automatic & programatic record 
locking  and multiple record search & retrieval via binary searches 
of indexed records in a Revolution db stack.   But compared to a 
"real" database, once the db stack is opened, 0 disk accesses are 
required to retrieve any record.   And note that in a client/server 
setup, only the server app sees the entire db stack, while the client 
front end stacks deal with data on a record-by-record basis.  Also 
since SDB is 100% native Transcript, it is 100% cross platform 
compatible and requires no externals.  I'll cut my promo short and 
note SDB is open source and free of royalty charges.

For some time Andre Garzia graciously provided download access to 
Serendipity Library (which includes SDB) at wecode.org.  Andre and I 
have had some discussions about reinstating the download site once I 
was ready to release SDB II (which supports binary data  in addition 
to text); but lacking any expression of interest from the RunRev 
community and faced with emerging issues (CA Marine Life Protection 
Act implementation, wave energy generation, and marine aquaculture) 
in my other area of focus, SDB II testing isn't high on my list.

As always, the source code, utilities, and example db stacks are 
available, and I'd certainly have more interest in working on it if 
someone else found it useful.


Rob Cozens, Staff Conservator
Mendonoma Marine Life Conservancy



From rcozens at pon.net  Wed May 30 12:32:06 2007
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:32:06 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <465D0954.9040903@fourthworld.com>
References: <465D0954.9040903@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B0000052466@titan.pon.net>

Richard, et al:

>Why bother with the overhead of storing the data in fields on cards, 
>when you can easily parse item and line chunks of a single block of 
>data so very efficiently?

This is basically how SDB handles non-binary data.  The field 
delimiter character for each record type is specified by the developer.

Rob 



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed May 30 12:53:27 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:53:27 +0100
Subject: Checking if a file has copied completly
In-Reply-To: <21661965-67BC-4174-8661-7D7966B47CB3@azurevision.co.uk>
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	<CD8004A0-8801-4530-8D2B-A9647E382B3B@looktowindward.com>
	<21661965-67BC-4174-8661-7D7966B47CB3@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <31EBEB45-5845-476F-AD9E-28FC36BB791E@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

The file size *may* work but as you say it's not very robust. One  
thing I have noticed is that if you start to copy a big file (like  
a .mov) and then before it's complete, double-click it so that  
QuickTime Player is launched then you get a message saying the file  
is being used by Mac OS X. If there was a way to perform the same  
check that would probably do the trick.

All the Best
Dave


On 30 May 2007, at 17:00, Ian Wood wrote:

> If it's on OS X, I'd suggest using a folder action and alerting  
> your app via AppleScript - this shouldn't trigger until the file is  
> fully copied.
>
> Otherwise (and if building an AS dictionary is too much of a pain)  
> I'm not really sure and was wondering myself. Maybe a loop which  
> watches the file size until it's been constant for a long enough  
> period? A bit unpredictable, though.
>
> Ian
>
> On 30 May 2007, at 16:55, Dave wrote:
>
>> However if a file is dragged from another machine on the LAN (and  
>> it's Copied), the App sees the file as soon as it appears in the  
>> Folder and starts processing a partial file.
>>
>> Is there anyway in RunRev to check if the file has been completely  
>> copied?
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Wed May 30 13:21:52 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:21:52 +0200
Subject: Free size of different volume?
In-Reply-To: <4C40DB18-71F7-481F-AF9A-5E098DC75E29@major-k.de>
References: <465C6FE1.6030003@fourthworld.com>
	<4C40DB18-71F7-481F-AF9A-5E098DC75E29@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <D5A7E80E-8506-4D81-B7FE-AB93C0E0E88E@major-k.de>

Hi Richard,

> Hi Richard,
>
>> Klaus Major wrote:
>>> Hi Richard,
>>>> The diskSpace function returns the free space of the drive the  
>>>> app  is running from.
>>>  From the current volume!
> ...
> Ah, yes, now that you say it...
> I tried at work where the app starts on an OS X volume but the  
> diskspace it retrieved from
> the server which is a windows volume
>
> Strange enough!???

CORRECTION!!! We switched to 2.8.1 a couple of days before and my  
tests were with 2.8.0!

>> -- 
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>>  ___________________________________________________________
>>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed May 30 13:23:33 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 10:23:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Showing off stuff at ED-MEDIA
In-Reply-To: <A3C28F8B-61B5-4A54-9DF6-ADBED420F35B@ezpzapps.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705301023100.26477-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Thanks, Jim!

Somehow, I missed Mark's suggestion below...

Thank you again for your help.

Judy

On Wed, 30 May 2007, Jim Sims wrote:

>
> On May 30, 2007, at 8:25 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
>
> > sims-
> >
> > Might I suggest that your Ganesha stack would be a good candidate here
> > of something simple and splashy you can do without powerpoint?
>
> Sure, I just uploaded the stack - use it however you wish. There are two
> small buttons in the bottom corners when it opens - turn your sound
> volume
> up when you play  ;-)  There is a wav sound file in it, I compressed
> the sound
> a bit as I am on dial-up here, on the sister island Gozo.
>
> Contains brain-dead, appropriately enough for me, scripts. Anyone can
> make it.
>
> http://www.ezpzapps.com/BigGanesh.rev.zip
>
> I made this as an 'easter egg' for one of my project. When Andre was
> visiting
> and building a server we had five Ganeshes on the work bench... just
> in case  ;-)
>
> Jim Sims
> Custom Software Development
> www.EZPZapps.com
>
>
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From katir at hindu.org  Wed May 30 13:26:59 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:26:59 -1000
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
Message-ID: <465DB3E3.1040204@hindu.org>

I would like to include some really light weight audio in stacks. Midi
would be ideal for certain kinds of games sounds, transition sounds,
opening splash screen sounds. As soon as you start doing aiff and  wav,
otherwise lean stacsk (100-150K) starts to bloat (400-500K)

since these are downloaded on demand from the internet, one wants a fast
download. I could use http to call sounds,
but also looking to keep the framework simple.
Also, you can't be waiting for a sound to download if you want it to
play when the stack opens...

Has anyone tried saving midi files in a custom prop, then writing those
to disk and playing them in an off screen player? I wonder the system
is going to block the write to disk. I don't think you can just pass 
data directly
from a custom prop to a variable to a player (that would be great!)

I'm open to any and all other strategies as this is something new for
us. Looking for "best practice" based on your experience.

Again, quick download of modular component stacks is a base requirement.
Obviously if you are delivering on CDs the size constraints are not an 
issue.

If anyone cares to share "here's what I do and it works for me.." we
will be all ears.

Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com



From katir at hindu.org  Wed May 30 13:36:05 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 07:36:05 -1000
Subject: Showing off stuff at ED-MEDIA
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705301023100.26477-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705301023100.26477-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <465DB605.9020008@hindu.org>

Judy Perry wrote:

If your audience will not gasp at culture-religion specific content,
I have a few old edu things I did several years ago that are still
popular and get lots of downloads, even today...

1) on the "Yamas and Niyamas"  (Hindu Guidelines for Good Conduct)

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/children/yamas_niyamas/

(three age levels in this one... all data is in custom props and 
displayed on
3-4 cards)

2) and  Dancing with Siva Youth Course:

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/children/dws_youth/

(lots of cool artwork in this one...)

3) and a more straight forward e-book

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/multimedia/sutras/

(this latter is probably not suitable... but... it's there)

If anyone would like the actual rev Stacks (these are standalones) to
tear apart, email me off list.. but frankly, you probably will shudder
at my baby xTalk... but it works... which is, i would say the really
powerful thing about Revolution... someone  who is not a "professional"
programmer, can still easily write code that will get the job done.


Sivakatirswami
www.himalayanacademy.com


From katir at hindu.org  Wed May 30 14:02:00 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 08:02:00 -1000
Subject: Ed-Media/AACE CFP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0701162019590.8760-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0701162019590.8760-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <465DBC18.7090502@hindu.org>

Judy. here is another fun thing for K-12 market

(actually some adults told me the secretly used it... too...)

go stack URL 
"http://www.himalayanacademy.com/studyhall/mystic_mouse/mysticms.rev"

I did this in 1999-2000 originally in metacard.
when I really did not know what I was doing!
So the UI really is pretty bad... but

Amazingly.. that thing it still works...

check out the neat action:
gets GIF from the internet. kids can open up the paint tools color swatches
and dump colors into enclosed areas.  I only discovered this by accident
years ago (that you could fill colors into enclosed bit map areas)

it's a lot of fun it you are into coloring....

I had some kids tell me this was the *only* thing their mom would allow them
to access on the internet. I took it off line because I never really 
finished it.. and
it was a bit ahead of it's time (in 1999, when I said around here that 
it would
be neat to deploy digital edu tools via the net, everyone would must 
blink at me.
Today, the idea is coming of age)

I really should update this thing.. I've been told by one child educator 
expert
that  it has a lot of potential... just no time here...

But if you want to show something that makes it really obvious that
powerpoint is simply "soooo 1980's" this might help..

Sivakatirswami


Judy Perry wrote:
> Okay.
> 
> I guess I'll throw something together and send it up the proverbial
> flagpole to see who, if anyone, salutes.
> 
> I'll let you know...
> 
> Judy
> 
> On Sun, 14 Jan 2007, David Bovill wrote:
> 
>> Possibly Judy - we are looking to do some presentations with Internet 2, Re
>> software and some EU and US universities... so keep us in touch?
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 30 14:24:02 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:24:02 -0500
Subject: Getting around the 2 gig limit
In-Reply-To: <74BC7B09-72A1-4CF5-BDA9-E5CDB8406A47@looktowindward.com>
References: <465CFBFB.40906@hyperactivesw.com>
	<74BC7B09-72A1-4CF5-BDA9-E5CDB8406A47@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <465DC142.6030907@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> It's ok now, I just wrote some external commands that use the 64 Bit 
> Interface to do it. I reckon it would have been quicker to just change 
> the code to use 64 bits in the Read/Write etc. routines then come up 
> with the solution below!

I'm sure RR's done that already, they said it would be fixed for the 
next release. The sample script is just to hold you until 2.9 comes out. 
But if you've already got another workaround, you're set.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 30 14:41:38 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:41:38 -0500
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <465DB3E3.1040204@hindu.org>
References: <465DB3E3.1040204@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <465DC562.6030303@hyperactivesw.com>

Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Has anyone tried saving midi files in a custom prop, then writing those
> to disk and playing them in an off screen player? I wonder the system
> is going to block the write to disk. I don't think you can just pass 
> data directly
> from a custom prop to a variable to a player (that would be great!)

I haven't done it with midi files but I've done lots of that with movies 
and audio. It should work just fine. Write your file to the official 
temporary location on the OS (use specialFolderPath("temporary")) and it 
should work anywhere. When you are done using it, just delete the file.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed May 30 14:43:19 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:43:19 -0700
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <465DB3E3.1040204@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <C28313D7.26D98%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> I would like to include some really light weight audio in stacks. Midi
> would be ideal for certain kinds of games sounds, transition sounds,
> opening splash screen sounds.
 
> Has anyone tried saving midi files in a custom prop, then writing those
> to disk and playing them in an off screen player? I wonder the system
> is going to block the write to disk.

Just tried it and it seems to work fine.  Using MIDI file imported as binary
property (uSnd):

  put the tempName into tPath
  set itemDel to "/"
  put "muzac.mid" into last item of tPath
  put the uSnd of this stack into url ("binfile:"&tPath)
  set filename of player 1 to tPath

But with MIDI files being so small, I'm not sure you would need to do this
unless you want your app to run offline.

 
> I'm open to any and all other strategies as this is something new for
> us. Looking for "best practice" based on your experience.

AFAIK, MIDI playback requires QT be present on the system.  If this is OK
for you, then playing MIDI files should be no more trouble than assigning a
filename to a player.  Try it:

set filename of player 1 to \
      "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/battle.mid"

If you're not happy with the quality of MIDI music, or you can't rely on QT,
you can always play a small sound file and/or animation while downloading a
stack of sounds or individual sounds to the local machine.  If QT is OK and
you have control over the sound encoding, you can create the sounds as
streaming QT files and stream playback, allowing for playback before the
download is complete.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 30 14:46:53 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:46:53 -0500
Subject: Checking if a file has copied completly
In-Reply-To: <31EBEB45-5845-476F-AD9E-28FC36BB791E@looktowindward.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com><7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>	<01cf01c7a2c6$d4102280$6601a8c0@GATEWAY>	<001c01c7a2c7$c4c8bcf0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>	<CD8004A0-8801-4530-8D2B-A9647E382B3B@looktowindward.com>	<21661965-67BC-4174-8661-7D7966B47CB3@azurevision.co.uk>
	<31EBEB45-5845-476F-AD9E-28FC36BB791E@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <465DC69D.3040104@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> The file size *may* work but as you say it's not very robust. One thing 
> I have noticed is that if you start to copy a big file (like a .mov) and 
> then before it's complete, double-click it so that QuickTime Player is 
> launched then you get a message saying the file is being used by Mac OS 
> X. If there was a way to perform the same check that would probably do 
> the trick.

I think the OS sets the file flag as "busy" during a write (at least on 
Macs, and I assume on Windows too.) So all you should need to do is try 
opening the file and then check the result. If it's busy, you'll get the 
appropriate error. Keep trying until the file opens.

You need to use the form "open file" rather than the URL syntax:

  open file <filepath>
  get the result
  if it is empty then
    -- whatever you need to do here
  end if

Put that in a repeat loop or a repeating pending message that exits if 
the result is empty, or times out after a specified amount of time.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 30 14:48:11 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:48:11 -0500
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <018a01c7a278$df86d800$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com><013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>	<465CF84B.5060507@hyperactivesw.com><017201c7a274$e9c5d130$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>	<465D0375.9080002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<018a01c7a278$df86d800$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
Message-ID: <465DC6EB.6090504@hyperactivesw.com>

Scott Kane wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> Mac OS X. It was very fast loading the text file. But each record was 
>> fairly small, so 40,000 of them wasn't as large as one might think. It 
>> was measured in megs rather than gigs, but I don't remember exactly 
>> how big it was.
> 
> The original data I'm looking at importing is well and truly over one 
> million records. 

I think that pretty much requires an external database. If you dump that 
much data into a stack I don't think you'll like the results.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mark at maseurope.net  Wed May 30 14:55:02 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 19:55:02 +0100
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <465DC6EB.6090504@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
	<f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<465CF84B.5060507@hyperactivesw.com>
	<017201c7a274$e9c5d130$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<465D0375.9080002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<018a01c7a278$df86d800$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<465DC6EB.6090504@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B02BF31A-8902-4288-B247-8E2CA379EC62@maseurope.net>

On the other hand (and I'm not actually advocating it, since I've  
never tried it), it would also be possible to build indexes of the  
data that are kept in memory, while keeping the actual data in a  
collection of many stack files which are then loaded and unloaded as  
required.

As I say, I've never tried this (or needed to), but it might be an  
interesting experiment sometime.

Best,

Mark
On 30 May 2007, at 19:48, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>
>> The original data I'm looking at importing is well and truly over  
>> one million records.
>
> I think that pretty much requires an external database. If you dump  
> that much data into a stack I don't think you'll like the results.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 30 14:56:16 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 13:56:16 -0500
Subject: Getting around the 2 gig limit
In-Reply-To: <465D11C8.6010501@fourthworld.com>
References: <465D11C8.6010501@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <465DC8D0.8080606@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> So after all the sturm und drang it turns out the the seek command still 
> works on larger files?

Well, he said he hadn't actually checked his script yet but that the 
engine code indicated it should work. Note that it isn't a plain old 
"seek". It first moves the pointer to the 2-gig mark, then seeks 
relative to that position (minus the 2 gig chunk.) Apparently you have 
to seek in amounts less than 2 gigs.

>     else
>         seek to 2147483647 in file tFile
>         seek rel tFilePosition - 2147483647 in file tFile
>         read from file tFile for tCount
>         put the result into tResult
>         put it into rData
>     end if 

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Wed May 30 15:03:46 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:03:46 -0300
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <B02BF31A-8902-4288-B247-8E2CA379EC62@maseurope.net>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
	<f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<465CF84B.5060507@hyperactivesw.com>
	<017201c7a274$e9c5d130$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<465D0375.9080002@hyperactivesw.com>
	<018a01c7a278$df86d800$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<465DC6EB.6090504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<B02BF31A-8902-4288-B247-8E2CA379EC62@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <4C0E7B97-2A95-46DB-99AC-9FFC1749EE04@mac.com>

I'd go for SQLite or Valentina.

trying to make sense out of 1 million records, you need a good query  
language, one that is able to do more than one "operation" with a  
single query. Just imagine looping your indexes over and over again  
trying to find the cross-references you're looking for. Using a  
"real" database in this case will save you time and effort.

Andre


On May 30, 2007, at 3:55 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> On the other hand (and I'm not actually advocating it, since I've  
> never tried it), it would also be possible to build indexes of the  
> data that are kept in memory, while keeping the actual data in a  
> collection of many stack files which are then loaded and unloaded  
> as required.
>
> As I say, I've never tried this (or needed to), but it might be an  
> interesting experiment sometime.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
> On 30 May 2007, at 19:48, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>>
>>> The original data I'm looking at importing is well and truly over  
>>> one million records.
>>
>> I think that pretty much requires an external database. If you  
>> dump that much data into a stack I don't think you'll like the  
>> results.
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed May 30 15:03:07 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:03:07 -0700
Subject: Showing off stuff at ED-MEDIA
References: <A3C28F8B-61B5-4A54-9DF6-ADBED420F35B@ezpzapps.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.33.0705301023100.26477-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <f3khpf$imb$1@sea.gmane.org>

Judy-

> Thanks, Jim!
>
> Somehow, I missed Mark's suggestion below...

... that's because it was off-list... <g>

-- 
 Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net





From mail at richard-hillen.de  Wed May 30 15:16:45 2007
From: mail at richard-hillen.de (R. Hillen)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:16:45 +0200
Subject: set filename in Applescript from RunRev, OSX
Message-ID: <8D370922-378B-457D-BCD3-E125B96CF0FD@richard-hillen.de>

Hello list,

in an AS-example of scripting mail.app on Mac OSX I found:

...
set theAttachment to choose file
...
make new attachement with properties {file:theAttachment} at after  
the last paragraph
...

I want to choose the file in a Revolution-Script  and use the choosen  
FilePath in the AS-Script by replacing "TheAttachement" with the  
FilePath:

So I put the AS-script into a field "MyScript" :

...
make new attachement with properties {file:theAttachment} at after  
the last paragraph
...

and wrote

answer file "what file to attach?"
put it into AttachFileName
replace theAttachment with AttachFileName in field "MyScript"
do field MyScript as Applescript

But it doesn?t work and I suspect, is is because a wrong form of the  
filepath.

May you help?

Thank you, Richard.




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 30 15:18:31 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:18:31 -0500
Subject: All this talk about DataBases - but how to select?
In-Reply-To: <000201c7a28f$1e5e5470$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000201c7a28f$1e5e5470$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <465DCE07.7060706@hyperactivesw.com>

Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Now I have to get into this very interesting thread as a rev novice too.
> 
> Storing data is one thing and the possibilities of rev are really perfect.
> But how do you get a good performance accesing the however stored datas in a
> stack (cards / properties / properties loaded into arrays)?
> 
> Saying I want a simple "find all records including / starting with a search
> string and some other filters"  a simple "SQL SELECT WHERE" does all the
> work for me in a very good performance. Storing the datas in whatever self
> made rev structures I have to go with REPEAT LOOPS thru all records, using
> perhaps LINEOFFSET() and some IF THEN comparisons. For my experience yet it
> is not that performant as SQL with say 10,000 records. But probably I am
> still missing some sophisticated indexing technics which I don't see yet.
> Anyone willing to share your search / find technology with properties or
> arrays?

With that much data, a SQL database is better. For smaller databases, 
you can create one card per record and use the "mark" command to flag 
the cards that match. For example:

   mark cards by finding "my string"

or:

   mark cards by finding whole "my string" in field 2

or:

   mark cards where the hilite of btn 1 is true

or:

   mark cards where field 1 contains "my string" and field 3 = "true"

Then you loop through the marked cards to get the information you want. 
This isn't as fast as a dedicated database but is often good enough for 
small data sets. You can use any variation of the "find" command (find 
string, find words, find whole, etc.) to mark the cards. This way you 
don't need to loop through all the cards. When you are done, unmark all 
cards.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed May 30 15:21:08 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:21:08 -0700
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <465DB3E3.1040204@hindu.org>
References: <465DB3E3.1040204@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <p06240801c28376832bcc@[192.168.1.103]>

Swami,

think about a simple download/cache scheme that saves the sounds 
somewhere in a special folder. I use a folder created in 
specialFolderPath("docs")

don't use 'documents' as described in the documentation, it won't 
work. Use 'docs'... The complete list of special folders is on Ken 
Ray's site.

[psudeocode]
---------

select a sound

if there is no folder yet in specialFolderPath("docs")
then
    create a folder there
If the desired sound doesn't exist in local folder when called,
then
     download the audio file from the net, updating library
end if
end if

load adr of local file
start the audio file

---------

after a couple of uses, the needed sounds just run.
On a good connection the time difference between loading and playing 
and playing local is negligible, even with little videos. this works 
much better and is more efficient than http streaming. This works 
really well and uses the least amount of bandwidth and disk space. 
And your data is separate from your business logic.


>I would like to include some really light weight audio in stacks. Midi
>would be ideal for certain kinds of games sounds, transition sounds,
>opening splash screen sounds. As soon as you start doing aiff and  wav,
>otherwise lean stacsk (100-150K) starts to bloat (400-500K)

creative trimming and downsampling can save a ton of room with audio. 
11kc samples at 16 bits can sound pretty good. Instead of letting a 
sound trail off too much (unless needed for effect), use a fade to 
gracefully and quickly stop a sound and tightly trim the top. Use 
mono instead of stereo.

>
>
>If anyone cares to share "here's what I do and it works for me.." we
>will be all ears.
>
>Sivakatirswami
>www.himalayanacademy.com
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -




From klaus at major-k.de  Wed May 30 15:26:57 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:26:57 +0200
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c28376832bcc@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <465DB3E3.1040204@hindu.org>
	<p06240801c28376832bcc@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <93E19BBD-7772-49E1-810E-74663DC11BB1@major-k.de>

Hi Swami,

> Swami,
>
> think about a simple download/cache scheme that saves the sounds  
> somewhere in a special folder. I use a folder created in  
> specialFolderPath("docs")
>
> ...
>> I would like to include some really light weight audio in stacks.  
>> Midi
>> would be ideal for certain kinds of games sounds, transition sounds,
>> opening splash screen sounds. As soon as you start doing aiff and   
>> wav,
>> otherwise lean stacsk (100-150K) starts to bloat (400-500K)
>
> creative trimming and downsampling can save a ton of room with  
> audio. 11kc samples at 16 bits can sound pretty good. Instead of  
> letting a sound trail off too much (unless needed for effect), use  
> a fade to gracefully and quickly stop a sound and tightly trim the  
> top. Use mono instead of stereo.

AND use the very compact AU format, which can be used with "play ac  
xyz"!

>> ...
>> If anyone cares to share "here's what I do and it works for me.." we
>> will be all ears.
>>
>> Sivakatirswami
>> www.himalayanacademy.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed May 30 15:40:08 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:40:08 +0100
Subject: Getting around the 2 gig limit
In-Reply-To: <465DC8D0.8080606@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <465D11C8.6010501@fourthworld.com>
	<465DC8D0.8080606@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <EB582D3C-EA58-4763-9905-5244CFD3C930@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Will it work with files >4 GB? The files I am processing are 30+ GB!

All the Best
Dave

On 30 May 2007, at 19:56, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> So after all the sturm und drang it turns out the the seek command  
>> still works on larger files?
>
> Well, he said he hadn't actually checked his script yet but that  
> the engine code indicated it should work. Note that it isn't a  
> plain old "seek". It first moves the pointer to the 2-gig mark,  
> then seeks relative to that position (minus the 2 gig chunk.)  
> Apparently you have to seek in amounts less than 2 gigs.
>
>>     else
>>         seek to 2147483647 in file tFile
>>         seek rel tFilePosition - 2147483647 in file tFile
>>         read from file tFile for tCount
>>         put the result into tResult
>>         put it into rData
>>     end if
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed May 30 15:45:14 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:45:14 +0100
Subject: set filename in Applescript from RunRev, OSX
In-Reply-To: <8D370922-378B-457D-BCD3-E125B96CF0FD@richard-hillen.de>
References: <8D370922-378B-457D-BCD3-E125B96CF0FD@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <593264A1-674E-442E-B6AA-A55582258100@azurevision.co.uk>


On 30 May 2007, at 20:16, R. Hillen wrote:

> answer file "what file to attach?"
> put it into AttachFileName
> replace theAttachment with AttachFileName in field "MyScript"
> do field MyScript as Applescript

replace theAttachment with revMacFromUnixPath(AttachFileName) in  
field "MyScript"

revMacFromUnixPath will convert Rev's Unix-style internal paths into  
the colon-delimited paths that AppleScript and Classic understand.

You can go back the other way with revUnixFromMacpath.

Ian


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed May 30 15:48:04 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:48:04 -0500
Subject: Getting around the 2 gig limit
In-Reply-To: <EB582D3C-EA58-4763-9905-5244CFD3C930@looktowindward.com>
References: <465D11C8.6010501@fourthworld.com>	<465DC8D0.8080606@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EB582D3C-EA58-4763-9905-5244CFD3C930@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <465DD4F4.5020502@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Will it work with files >4 GB? The files I am processing are 30+ GB!

I'm not sure, I guess you'd have to try it. If it doesn't work as-is, 
try seeking in 2-gig chunks to move the pointer forward in increments 
until you get close to the place you need to read. Or use the 
work-around you've already made until 2.9 comes out.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Wed May 30 15:58:42 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:58:42 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Hammering on RunRev's door . . .
Message-ID: <892609.39734.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I wrote my last posting under this heading for the
benefit of those who might need to run off a
standalone right now, rather than wait for things to
take their time.It was not answering anyone.

and Ian Wood; the fact that something is not clear to
you does not necessarily mean it is unclear to others.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

____________________________________________________________

A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle.
____________________________________________________________


      ___________________________________________________________
Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it
now.
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ 


From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed May 30 16:04:20 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:04:20 +0100
Subject: Getting around the 2 gig limit
In-Reply-To: <465DD4F4.5020502@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <465D11C8.6010501@fourthworld.com>	<465DC8D0.8080606@hyperactivesw.com>
	<EB582D3C-EA58-4763-9905-5244CFD3C930@looktowindward.com>
	<465DD4F4.5020502@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C01D7EDC-8CCE-4FBD-8CC8-F39DDC3425A6@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Ok, I wasn't planning on changing what I have now, just curious!

To be honest I got such a speed boost my using an external command  
that I think I'll use it from now on. The only draw-back is that its  
Mac only at present, guess I could check the OS and if Windows use  
RunRev - That way the Mac would be faster <big grin> (Not that it  
isn't anyway!!!)

All the Best
Dave

On 30 May 2007, at 20:48, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Will it work with files >4 GB? The files I am processing are 30+ GB!
>
> I'm not sure, I guess you'd have to try it. If it doesn't work as- 
> is, try seeking in 2-gig chunks to move the pointer forward in  
> increments until you get close to the place you need to read. Or  
> use the work-around you've already made until 2.9 comes out.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From jason at polydiam.com  Wed May 30 17:36:26 2007
From: jason at polydiam.com (Jason Kapadia)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:36:26 +0100
Subject: Color Palette
Message-ID: <002501c7a302$956e62d0$c04b2870$@com>

Is there anyway that I am able to bring up the windows color palette? Like
the one shown in the property inspector when you click on the
backgroundcolor box?

 

Thanks in advance

 

Jason



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed May 30 17:41:59 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 14:41:59 -0700
Subject: Color Palette
In-Reply-To: <002501c7a302$956e62d0$c04b2870$@com>
Message-ID: <C2833DB7.26DDF%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Jason Kapadia wrote:

> Is there anyway that I am able to bring up the windows color palette? Like
> the one shown in the property inspector when you click on the
> backgroundcolor box?

Do you mean like scripting "answer color" ?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From jason at polydiam.com  Wed May 30 18:39:49 2007
From: jason at polydiam.com (Jason Kapadia)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:39:49 +0100
Subject: Color Palette
Message-ID: <000001c7a30b$702bb9b0$50832d10$@com>

Wow, I can't believe I missed that one.

 

Thank you!

 

 

> Do you mean like scripting "answer color" ?

 

> Regards,

 

> Scott Rossi

> Creative Director

> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

 

>>Recently, Jason Kapadia wrote:

 

>> Is there anyway that I am able to bring up the windows color palette?
Like

>> the one shown in the property inspector when you click on the

>> backgroundcolor box?

 

 



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed May 30 19:17:05 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:17:05 +0100
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <B0000052465@titan.pon.net>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
	<f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<B0000052465@titan.pon.net>
Message-ID: <76E34457-2A23-4F73-B56C-D6B801E74207@anachreon.co.uk>

<looks around> Am I the only one to have just heard of SDB?
More infos? Links?

Cheers,

Luis.


On 30 May 2007, at 17:32, Rob Cozens wrote:

> Scott, Joe, et al:
>
>> I believe Rob Cozens does something of the sought [partially load  
>> a db stack] with Serendipity, but the question is whether it's  
>> really worth while given it's all there already with a "real"  
>> database.
>
> I've followed this thread this far wondering "should I bother to  
> mention SDB, considering the underwhelming response it has received  
> from the RunRun community?"
>
> Scott & Andre might offer some insight in this regard, as both have  
> at least looked at SDB.  I've had eConversations with others who  
> said they would look at SDB; but no followup questions,  
> suggestions, or complaints.  So I don't know if folks found it  
> unsuitable or incomprehensible (Paul L., Our issues were different:  
> you wanted SDB to work like EpsiTalk, which it could not do due to  
> the issue Scott noted above--the entire database stack _is_ loaded  
> in RAM & must be updated when one record changes.)
>
> If a "real" database must by definition only partially load to RAM,  
> then SDB is not a "real" db.  OTOH, SDB supports multiuser client/ 
> server access with both automatic & programatic record locking  and  
> multiple record search & retrieval via binary searches of indexed  
> records in a Revolution db stack.   But compared to a "real"  
> database, once the db stack is opened, 0 disk accesses are required  
> to retrieve any record.   And note that in a client/server setup,  
> only the server app sees the entire db stack, while the client  
> front end stacks deal with data on a record-by-record basis.  Also  
> since SDB is 100% native Transcript, it is 100% cross platform  
> compatible and requires no externals.  I'll cut my promo short and  
> note SDB is open source and free of royalty charges.
>
> For some time Andre Garzia graciously provided download access to  
> Serendipity Library (which includes SDB) at wecode.org.  Andre and  
> I have had some discussions about reinstating the download site  
> once I was ready to release SDB II (which supports binary data  in  
> addition to text); but lacking any expression of interest from the  
> RunRev community and faced with emerging issues (CA Marine Life  
> Protection Act implementation, wave energy generation, and marine  
> aquaculture) in my other area of focus, SDB II testing isn't high  
> on my list.
>
> As always, the source code, utilities, and example db stacks are  
> available, and I'd certainly have more interest in working on it if  
> someone else found it useful.
>
>
> Rob Cozens, Staff Conservator
> Mendonoma Marine Life Conservancy
>
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From pepetoo at cox.net  Wed May 30 19:28:44 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:28:44 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <76E34457-2A23-4F73-B56C-D6B801E74207@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
	<f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<B0000052465@titan.pon.net>
	<76E34457-2A23-4F73-B56C-D6B801E74207@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8B6BC6EC-DFBD-40D6-A9FF-EB92684445A4@cox.net>

No, Luis, you're not. A brief intro to SDB would be appreciated by  
all of us new guys on the block.

Joe Wilkins

On May 30, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Luis wrote:

> <looks around> Am I the only one to have just heard of SDB?
> More infos? Links?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.



From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 30 19:44:46 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:44:46 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com><7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com><013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<B0000052465@titan.pon.net>
Message-ID: <009901c7a314$8365aaa0$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Rob Cozens" <rcozens at pon.net>

Hi Rob,

> I've followed this thread this far wondering "should I bother to mention 
> SDB, considering the underwhelming response it has received from the 
> RunRun community?"

No disrespect meant by my reference to Serendipity.

> Scott & Andre might offer some insight in this regard, as both have at 
> least looked at SDB.  I've had eConversations with others who said they 
> would look at SDB; but no followup questions, suggestions, or complaints. 
> So I don't know if folks found it unsuitable or incomprehensible (Paul L., 
> Our issues were different: you wanted SDB to work like EpsiTalk, which it 
> could not do due to the issue Scott noted above--the entire database stack 
> _is_ loaded in RAM & must be updated when one record changes.)

This wasn't necessarily a problem for me.

> If a "real" database must by definition only partially load to RAM, then 
> SDB is not a "real" db.  OTOH, SDB supports multiuser client/server access 
> with both automatic & programatic record locking  and multiple record 
> search & retrieval via binary searches of indexed records in a Revolution 
> db stack.   But compared to a "real" database, once the db stack is 
> opened, 0 disk accesses are required to retrieve any record.   And note 
> that in a client/server setup, only the server app sees the entire db 
> stack, while the client front end stacks deal with data on a 
> record-by-record basis.  Also since SDB is 100% native Transcript, it is 
> 100% cross platform compatible and requires no externals.  I'll cut my 
> promo short and note SDB is open source and free of royalty charges.

Serendipity is indeed very clever.  I was very much impressed.  My only 
issue at that time was the implementation at a stage when Rev and all things 
transcript were totally new to me.

> For some time Andre Garzia graciously provided download access to 
> Serendipity Library (which includes SDB) at wecode.org.  Andre and I have 
> had some discussions about reinstating the download site once I was ready 
> to release SDB II (which supports binary data  in addition to text); but 
> lacking any expression of interest from the RunRev community and faced 
> with emerging issues (CA Marine Life Protection Act implementation, wave 
> energy generation, and marine aquaculture) in my other area of focus, SDB 
> II testing isn't high on my list.

Understandable.

> As always, the source code, utilities, and example db stacks are 
> available, and I'd certainly have more interest in working on it if 
> someone else found it useful.

You've encouraged me to take a fresh look at it.  I've got it backed up and 
will have a play....  :-)

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"In painting a tiger you can paint the skin, but not the bones."  Confucius 



From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 30 19:46:54 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:46:54 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com><013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>	<465CF84B.5060507@hyperactivesw.com><017201c7a274$e9c5d130$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>	<465D0375.9080002@hyperactivesw.com><018a01c7a278$df86d800$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<465DC6EB.6090504@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <009c01c7a314$cfd95a30$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>

> I think that pretty much requires an external database. If you dump that 
> much data into a stack I don't think you'll like the results.

Indeed and I would never dream, normally, of anything less.  But I was 
curious to see how far I could push the stack/card paradigm.  I was 99% sure 
this was over the top but one never knows, as we've seen from some of the 
"hard core" transcript people here there are many alternatives to one 
problem.  :-)

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a 
little way past them into the impossible."
Arthur C Clarke 



From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 30 19:48:46 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:48:46 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com><p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103><8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com><p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103><f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com><3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net><f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com><7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com><013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><465CF84B.5060507@hyperactivesw.com><017201c7a274$e9c5d130$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><465D0375.9080002@hyperactivesw.com><018a01c7a278$df86d800$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx><465DC6EB.6090504@hyperactivesw.com><B02BF31A-8902-4288-B247-8E2CA379EC62@maseurope.net>
	<4C0E7B97-2A95-46DB-99AC-9FFC1749EE04@mac.com>
Message-ID: <00a301c7a315$12750c90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com>

> I'd go for SQLite or Valentina.
>
> trying to make sense out of 1 million records, you need a good query 
> language, one that is able to do more than one "operation" with a  single 
> query. Just imagine looping your indexes over and over again  trying to 
> find the cross-references you're looking for. Using a  "real" database in 
> this case will save you time and effort.

Yup.  I'm absolutely sure of this and agree.  Solving it as a Win/Mac/Linux 
solution will be a little more work or a little more expensive.  :-)

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a 
little way past them into the impossible."
Arthur C Clarke 



From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 30 19:51:41 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:51:41 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases - but how to select?
References: <000201c7a28f$1e5e5470$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<465DCE07.7060706@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <00aa01c7a315$7aa9af50$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>

G'day Jacqueline,

> With that much data, a SQL database is better. For smaller databases, you 
> can create one card per record and use the "mark" command to flag the 
> cards that match. For example:

<snip helpfule pseudo code>

> Then you loop through the marked cards to get the information you want. 
> This isn't as fast as a dedicated database but is often good enough for 
> small data sets. You can use any variation of the "find" command (find 
> string, find words, find whole, etc.) to mark the cards. This way you 
> don't need to loop through all the cards. When you are done, unmark all 
> cards.

Yes indeed and it's one of the things that I really like about the 
stack/card paradigm.  I have no doubt how I will have to handle the final 
data but it's fascinating to read peoples musings on Rev stack handling.

Scott Kane
CD Too - Voice Overs Artist  & Original Game and Royalty Free Multi-Media 
Music
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
Arthur C Clarke 



From SimPLsol at aol.com  Wed May 30 20:37:55 2007
From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:37:55 EDT
Subject: Solution for closeField problem
Message-ID: <ca6.101866c5.338f72e3@aol.com>

Jacque,
Thank you, again, for your help last night. I was about to give up on this 
when your email arrived. It inspired me to try a little harder (like all night, 
all morning, and most of the afternoon). I believe I now have a solution to 
closing fields on OS X without moving to other fields.

Here is all of the code (with many of the non-working attempts commented out 
- but retained for reference):

-- This was written because
-- OS X does not send a closeField
-- to the last (perhaps "only") field edited
-- if a button was clicked after the field was changed
-- (buttons do not get focus in OS X, so the field retains it);

on mouseDown
  if (the tool is "browse tool") \
       and ("Editor.ahm" is in the filename of this stack) \
      and (word 1 of the focusedObject is "field") \
       and (word 1 of the target is "button")
      --and (word 1 of the name of the target is not "field") -- use "button" 
only
   then
     --put the selectedField into vTempSelectedField
     --put the focusedObject into vTempField
    --put the short name of vTempSelectedField into vSelectedName
    --put the short name of vTempField into vTempName
     --send "closeField" to vTempField -- caused too much recursion
     
     --put the selection into vSelectionHolder -- preserve the selection
    focus on graphic "Floating Rectangle" -- removes the selection
     --put the selection into vSelectionHolder2
     
     --focus on ""
     --focus on empty
    --focus on btn "Lock Status"
    --set the traversalOn of vTempField to false
    --set the traversalOn of vTempField to true
    --defocus vTempField
    --deselect vTempField
     --       setTheEditorLockStatusTo "!"
  end if
   pass mouseDown
end mouseDown

The two secrets are:
1. trigger this when the focusedObject is a field and the target is a button 
(buttons only)
2. focus on a graphic (rather than a button or field)

So far, it seems to do everything as desired:
1. sends a "closeField" when a field is edited and a button is clicked
2. does not send the "closeField" if the field was focused but not edited
3. does not send any "closeField"s if a series of buttons are clicked
4. does not interfere with copy and paste.

Paul Looney


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 See what's free at 
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From sundown at nwrain.net  Wed May 30 20:53:45 2007
From: sundown at nwrain.net (-= JB =-)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:53:45 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <465DCE07.7060706@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <000201c7a28f$1e5e5470$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<465DCE07.7060706@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <19935226694c2957319f7f9aa3622700@nwrain.net>

I have never used Valentina or the other database
mentioned but here is a question if I decide to use
one I make in Revolution.

One user said he was working with one million or
more files so lets use that as an example.  If I were
to make a text file with one million card ids in item
one and the user name in item two and then put it
into a variable and perform a search for the id and
retrieve the name:

1.  What is the speed comparison to a database
2.  Is there a limit where this would not work or
would be too slow in Revolution and why.  If the
Revolution search is too slow could a person
write a faster search as an external.

thanks,
-=>JB<=-



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Wed May 30 20:56:44 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 17:56:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Showing off stuff at ED-MEDIA
In-Reply-To: <465DB605.9020008@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0705301755170.5706-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

That sounds great!

And I'd love the stacks -- remember that for this audience, baby xTalk is
probably better/more comprehendible than would be tight, optimized code!

Thanks!

Judy

On Wed, 30 May 2007, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Judy Perry wrote:
>
> If your audience will not gasp at culture-religion specific content,
> I have a few old edu things I did several years ago that are still
> popular and get lots of downloads, even today...
>
> 1) on the "Yamas and Niyamas"  (Hindu Guidelines for Good Conduct)
>
> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/children/yamas_niyamas/
>
> (three age levels in this one... all data is in custom props and
> displayed on
> 3-4 cards)
>
> 2) and  Dancing with Siva Youth Course:
>
> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/children/dws_youth/
>
> (lots of cool artwork in this one...)
>
> 3) and a more straight forward e-book
>
> http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/multimedia/sutras/
>
> (this latter is probably not suitable... but... it's there)
>
> If anyone would like the actual rev Stacks (these are standalones) to
> tear apart, email me off list.. but frankly, you probably will shudder
> at my baby xTalk... but it works... which is, i would say the really
> powerful thing about Revolution... someone  who is not a "professional"
> programmer, can still easily write code that will get the job done.
>
>
> Sivakatirswami
> www.himalayanacademy.com
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From chipp at chipp.com  Wed May 30 21:10:40 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:10:40 -0500
Subject: Hammering on RunRev's door . . .
In-Reply-To: <892609.39734.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <892609.39734.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210705301810p31911f4bwd45a606f24dabb25@mail.gmail.com>

On 5/30/07, Richmond Mathewson <geradamas at yahoo.com> wrote:

> and Ian Wood; the fact that something is not clear to
> you does not necessarily mean it is unclear to others.

OK, I'll bite. Richmond, for some reasons your posts never seem to
'thread' properly. Don't know  if it's your email client or the fact
you don't use the REPLY button, but in most instances, it's difficult
to see (for me) who you're replying to and what the threaded subject
is.

-C


From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 30 21:49:59 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:49:59 +1000
Subject: Hammering on RunRev's door . . .
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	<7aa52a210705301810p31911f4bwd45a606f24dabb25@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001801c7a326$02312b50$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com>

> OK, I'll bite. Richmond, for some reasons your posts never seem to 
> 'thread' properly. Don't know  if it's your email client or the fact
> you don't use the REPLY button, but in most instances, it's difficult to 
> see (for me) who you're replying to and what the threaded subject
> is.

I concur.  In addition I'd add that Richmond seems to have a real problem 
with "software companies" which makes for weary reading.  I don't think RR 
should take his comments personally - I don't think the problem he has is 
with RR (despite a recent swipe at their supposed "knowing better than their 
customers" which shows an incredible lack of insight into the business of 
software) I think it's with "whomever" and I'd not pay to much mind to such 
rantings.

Scott Kane 



From scott at cdroo.com  Wed May 30 21:59:05 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:59:05 +1000
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
References: <000201c7a28f$1e5e5470$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2><465DCE07.7060706@hyperactivesw.com>
	<19935226694c2957319f7f9aa3622700@nwrain.net>
Message-ID: <001b01c7a327$46d9f650$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>


From: "-= JB =-" <sundown at nwrain.net>

> One user said he was working with one million or more files so lets use 
> that as an example.  If I were to make a text file with one million card 
> ids in item
> one and the user name in item two and then put it into a variable and 
> perform a search for the id and
> retrieve the name:

Please keep in mind that my example is pretty extreme <g> and it's in text 
file format because it is stored originally on a *nix system which handles 
such volumes of text files far better than Windows does.  Even still I 
believe the original designer of the "text file database" in this instance 
was not only "lame" but had rocks in his head.

> 1.  What is the speed comparison to a database

A database with correctly optimized queries would handle most data lifting 
in under the 1 second mark - more according to how much data.  The example 
above would probably still have a bit of a delay, but implemented as Rev 
stacks and cards (for each record) it'd be at a minimum three to four 
seconds if not a great deal more.  This of course does not consider 
multi-user issues, how much RAM is consumed and how well queries are 
optimized which on some systems would make it difficult if not impossible to 
operate using the stack/card paradigm.  Even the design of the actual 
database plays a crucial role in efficiency.

> 2.  Is there a limit where this would not work or would be too slow in 
> Revolution and why.  If theR evolution search is too slow could a person
> write a faster search as an external.

The conclusion I've come to is that Rev can pretty much handle small data 
sets - beyond the 10,000 record mark (and I suspect the definition of how 
many and what type of fields are involved, what processes, calculations etc 
are in place) pretty much is the limit in practical terms.  For most small 
systems this might be fine, for more complex or larger systems a system 
(database) that is designed for the purpose is a better choice.

Scott 



From katir at hindu.org  Wed May 30 22:15:59 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 16:15:59 -1000
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <93E19BBD-7772-49E1-810E-74663DC11BB1@major-k.de>
References: <465DB3E3.1040204@hindu.org>	<p06240801c28376832bcc@[192.168.1.103]>
	<93E19BBD-7772-49E1-810E-74663DC11BB1@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <465E2FDF.7090005@hindu.org>

Klaus Major wrote:
> Hi Swami,
> 
>> Swami,
>>
>> think about a simple download/cache scheme that saves the sounds 
>> somewhere in a special folder. I use a folder created in 
>> specialFolderPath("docs")
>>
>> ...
>>> I would like to include some really light weight audio in stacks. Midi
>>> would be ideal for certain kinds of games sounds, transition sounds,
>>> opening splash screen sounds. As soon as you start doing aiff and  wav,
>>> otherwise lean stacsk (100-150K) starts to bloat (400-500K)
>>
>> creative trimming and downsampling can save a ton of room with audio. 
>> 11kc samples at 16 bits can sound pretty good. Instead of letting a 
>> sound trail off too much (unless needed for effect), use a fade to 
>> gracefully and quickly stop a sound and tightly trim the top. Use mono 
>> instead of stereo.
> 
> AND use the very compact AU format, which can be used with "play ac xyz"!
> 



Thanks for the tips... This has yet to include any transtion audio, this 
is a small start:

go stack decompress (url 
"http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/htde_media-player.rev.gz")

(enjoy some nice scenes from our all stone temple in Hawaii)

I'll see about adding some sound at the opening splash screen.

Note the model still expects files to be downloaded but, hopes that
the fast start headers will registered and users can start playing.

Later we will build a more robust interface that gives more feedback
on what's happening (as well as access to all past media in past issues)

Right now if you click on some of the start or go to buttons, you
might a delay as Revolution seems to want to try to
immediately connect with the remote URL for a player, even
before you have started it.

At least I think this is working better by putting each  piece
on its own card, with it's own player, rathe than what I was
doing before which was to drive all the media thru a single
player object (resetting the URL by script)  but that had
lots of problems...

all feedback welcome... I'm just feeling my way here.


Sivakatirswami



>>> If anyone cares to share "here's what I do and it works for me.." we
>>> will be all ears.
>>>
>>> Sivakatirswami
>>> www.himalayanacademy.com
> 
> Regards
> 
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
> 


From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed May 30 23:52:01 2007
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 20:52:01 -0700
Subject: Relative folder paths
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-W185A32098C77F7A38758CD12F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY106-W185A32098C77F7A38758CD12F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <918458CD-06E6-437F-859C-EBCB84618428@mac.com>

Bob,

Thanks for the info. This sounds like a good solution if the problem  
is complicated.

Fortunately, in my case there are only  a couple of locations I need  
to find and they are all relative to the standalone. What I did was  
to simply put the defaultFolder into and invisible field on openStack  
so it would be saved somewhere. I then just keep changing the  
defaultFolder when needed because I know where the files are supposed  
to be.

Bill

On May 29, 2007, at 1:18 PM, Bob Earp wrote:

> Bill,We needed to use relative paths for audio and video clips,  
> plus graphics in our CBT engine some time ago, and came upon the  
> same problems as you.  Particularly as sometimes the projects were  
> distributed via CD or DVD and we had no control over what drive  
> letter/name was being used.  I'm not sure if our solution will help  
> you but I'm totally gob smacked to be able to offer something to  
> this group instead of continuing to be a leach on the Rev society !! 
> We overcame it by calling an initPaths handler (see below) called  
> from an openStack handler.  We then wrote our own video and audio  
> handlers that refer to those globals.  The graphics are handled by  
> making sure we refer to just the file name (not the path) in the  
> Name property of the Image control, which is a bit weird as   
> sometimes it is displayed in the Property Inspector including the  
> current path and file name.You'll note that we had to deal with the  
> paths differently for MacOS vs Windoze.  If you'd like the audio  
> and video handlers (which include the ability to stop the media via  
> an ESC key press), I'd be happy to upload them.  They're very  
> small. I seem to remember that Rev was saying that relative paths  
> were a new feature, but I haven't looked into it recently as what  
> we did solved our problem.HTH, Bob...on InitPaths  -- get and save  
> the project path    if the platform = "MacOS" then -- this is  
> required for Mac platforms only due to differences in file path  
> reporting    set the itemDelimiter to "/"    put the effective  
> fileName of this stack into gProjectPath    delete the last item of  
> gProjectPath  else    set the itemDelimiter to "/"    put item 1 to  
> -2 of the effective filename of this stack into gProjectPath  end  
> if      -- setup the audio folder path  put gProjectPath & "/Audio"  
> into gAudioPath    -- set up the video folder path  put  
> gProjectPath & "/Video" into gVideoPath    -- set up the graphics  
> path for image controls  set the defaultFolder to gProjectPath & "/ 
> Graphics/"  end InitPaths~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Date: Fri,  
> 25 May 2007 17:10:29 -0700From: Bill Vlahos  
> <bvlahos at mac.com>Subject: Relative folder pathsTo: How to use  
> Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>Message- 
> ID:<B1E7BAB9-0112-1000-B470-63B572F54FB3- 
> Webmail-10006 at mac.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1I  
> can't seem to refer to folders via relative paths.Lets say I have a  
> folder containing a standalone, Data folder, and Preference folder  
> all at the same level. The defaultFolder would be the folder at the  
> level of the standalone.If I change the defaultFolder to  
> "DataFileFolder" I can then just "put the files into vFilesList" to  
> get a listing of the files. However, this resets the defaultFolder  
> value so I can't get to things in the Preference folder.How would I  
> get a listing of files in the defaultFolder/DataFileFolder? 
> Thanks,Bill Vlahos~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Robert J. Earp -  
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu May 31 00:02:26 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 21:02:26 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <B0000052465@titan.pon.net>
References: <8C96E1EBE33C445-12C0-3C80@webmail-mf05.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240804c27ed2ef8f50@192.168.1.103>
	<8C96EA7CB376C6D-1648-4862@webmail-de13.sysops.aol.com>
	<p06240802c2810637c841@192.168.1.103>
	<f73a98160705291847p2e762d2ocd8557293067911a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3C26A364-0E5B-44EF-BA9C-3433CC2056C0@cox.net>
	<f99b52860705292007g6bc38b6cx6bf7a4146f1e8129@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210705292021mbcec205re1adf925e8b0f1a7@mail.gmail.com>
	<013401c7a26a$c66d8d90$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>
	<B0000052465@titan.pon.net>
Message-ID: <139122319115.20070530210226@ahsoftware.net>

Rob-

Wednesday, May 30, 2007, 9:32:51 AM, you wrote:

> I've followed this thread this far wondering "should I bother to
> mention SDB, considering the underwhelming response it has received 
> from the RunRun community?"

Interesting. From my end of things, I think the "underwhelming
response" is probably due to the unavailability of sdb for
downloading. I stopped referring people to sdb once your web site
dried up and disappeared. Best I could say was "well, there used to be
this nice library but now you can't get it anymore..." I actually
wasn't aware that Andre was now hosting the download.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 01:36:24 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 06:36:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Threading and Software Companies
Message-ID: <642031.2152.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

1. Threading.

I access my e-mail account via a standard web-browser,
not via an e-mail client; and I suppose this is why my
messages don't thread.

2. Software Companies.

I don't have a problem with software companies as
such.

However I am confused as to how much, and how Runtime
Revolution interacts with its customers and/or users.

In the recent thread ("Hammering . . .") Heather Nagey
reacted extremely swiftly to an idea that was
initiated by myself - and that is really super.

[The reason for my subsequently posting a list of
other ways that the 'problem' with Classic builds
could be coped with was because I felt that they were
worth sharing]

I also find it odd that my recent posting was
interpreted as a "rant" - it was nothing of the sort;
it was a comment on how I felt RR was working on a
basis that its customers would not require to go on
developing software for semi-obsolete operating
systems. I believe that Runtime Revolution would be
unwise to alienate customers who wish to develop for
those OSes - and they have responded (through Heather
Nagey) in a way which demonstrates that they agree.

For those who find rants interesting all they really
have to do is look at some postings I made in about
2002/3  -I would have thought that the difference
between those and my current postings was obvious.

Scott Kane has a small 'problem' which is that he is
not very keen on Richmond's "tone of voice". Well, the
feeling is fairly mutual; but as we are both adults we
ought to be sensible about this and avoid ruffling
each other's feathers. If the RR use-list only
supported one point of view and one style of writing
it would be worthless.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu May 31 02:04:28 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:04:28 +0200
Subject: Solution for closeField problem
In-Reply-To: <ca6.101866c5.338f72e3@aol.com>
References: <ca6.101866c5.338f72e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20070531080428315043.2451d21f@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 30 May 2007 20:37:55 EDT, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

> Jacque,
> Thank you, again, for your help last night. I was about to give up on this 
> when your email arrived. It inspired me to try a little harder (like 
> all night, 
> all morning, and most of the afternoon). I believe I now have a solution to 
> closing fields on OS X without moving to other fields.

Wow - never noticed this before. You can also just do "select empty" 
which will cause a closeField to trigger as well:

on mouseDown
  select empty
  -- rest of your mouseDown script
end mouseDown

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From scott at cdroo.com  Thu May 31 02:15:32 2007
From: scott at cdroo.com (Scott Kane)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:15:32 +1000
Subject: Threading and Software Companies
References: <642031.2152.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004401c7a34b$1b87fc80$0201010a@esbgdi9s3atqpx>

From: "Richmond Mathewson" <geradamas at yahoo.com>


> I access my e-mail account via a standard web-browser, not via an e-mail 
> client; and I suppose this is why my messages don't thread.

No.  That doesn't cause it at all.  What causes a lack of threading is that 
you don't quote what you are responding to and then your replies tend to, or 
even **appear**, to be off the thread.

> I don't have a problem with software companies as such.

Well....  Fair enough.  But I don't buy it....

> However I am confused as to how much, and how Runtime Revolution interacts 
> with its customers and/or users.

They seem to respond pretty well AFAICS

> In the recent thread ("Hammering . . .") Heather Nagey reacted extremely 
> swiftly to an idea that was initiated by myself - and that is really 
> super.

Indeed.

> [The reason for my subsequently posting a list of other ways that the 
> 'problem' with Classic builds could be coped with was because I felt that 
> they were
> worth sharing]

I can't speak for anybody else, but I don't doubt the integrity of your 
desire to share your opionion and would never seek to interfere with that. 
It's more down to the issue that, after two years here, albeit not as long 
as yourself,  all I've really heard you do is complain.  That does become a 
matter of "oh dear... not again."  Of course I could ignore you when you 
start a rant - and to be brutally honest I do - it is all the same 
frustrating.

> I also find it odd that my recent posting was interpreted as a "rant" - it 
> was nothing of the sort; it was a comment on how I felt RR was working on 
> a
> basis that its customers would not require to go on developing software 
> for semi-obsolete operating ystems.

Actually...  What you actually said is:

> Now, with the exception of the millionaires who fool around with RR just 
> for the fun of it, most of us have to produce software that runs on all 
> those "cranky old
> computers" which use operating systems that are below the notice of the 
> demi-gods in Edinburgh.

Which is indeed rather unecessary and pretty much a wasted expression.  By 
your logic anybody other than those that agree with you are millionaires and 
fools.  I'd love to give that statement to a high school "clear thinking" 
class for analysis.

You also said in another related post:

> This sounds a bit like all those other software companies who assume they 
> know what is best for their clients

Also an unecessary swipe and from where I'm standing representitive of a 
chip on the shoulder in respect of  "all those other software companies" 
who, after years of struggle and pain and effort and money often indeed know 
better than their clients, what is best for them, based on experience, 
trends and a good deal of know-how.

> Scott Kane has a small 'problem' which is that he is not very keen on 
> Richmond's "tone of voice". Well, the feeling is fairly mutual; but as we 
> are both adults we
> ought to be sensible about this and avoid ruffling each other's feathers. 
> If the RR use-list only supported one point of view and one style of 
> writing
> it would be worthless.

I must admit I do indeed dislike your "tone of voice" in many of your posts. 
Though generally I disregard them as a little noise in amongst hundreds of 
valuable insights shared on this list.  What I'm really on about is that 
there are ways to get attention without resorting to rhetoric that makes you 
seem to be as spiky as an echidna.

Scott Kane 


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From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu May 31 02:39:09 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:39:09 +0200
Subject: AW: All this talk about DataBases - but how to select?
In-Reply-To: <465DCE07.7060706@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <000001c7a34e$65f0b980$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hi Jacqueline,
thanks for sharing your approach. I tested to store the datas in user
properties and load them into arrays and read them with repeat structures up
to 20,000 records. It worked, but not as fast as SQL and the code was not
that nice and compact as with SQL. MARK CARDS I have never thought about to
access my datas. Perhaps a try next time.
Thanks
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von J. Landman Gay
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Mai 2007 21:19
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: All this talk about DataBases - but how to select?
> 
> Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> > Now I have to get into this very interesting thread as a rev novice too.
> >
> > Storing data is one thing and the possibilities of rev are really
> perfect.
> > But how do you get a good performance accesing the however stored datas
> in a
> > stack (cards / properties / properties loaded into arrays)?
> >
> > Saying I want a simple "find all records including / starting with a
> search
> > string and some other filters"  a simple "SQL SELECT WHERE" does all the
> > work for me in a very good performance. Storing the datas in whatever
> self
> > made rev structures I have to go with REPEAT LOOPS thru all records,
> using
> > perhaps LINEOFFSET() and some IF THEN comparisons. For my experience yet
> it
> > is not that performant as SQL with say 10,000 records. But probably I am
> > still missing some sophisticated indexing technics which I don't see
> yet.
> > Anyone willing to share your search / find technology with properties or
> > arrays?
> 
> With that much data, a SQL database is better. For smaller databases,
> you can create one card per record and use the "mark" command to flag
> the cards that match. For example:
> 
>    mark cards by finding "my string"
> 
> or:
> 
>    mark cards by finding whole "my string" in field 2
> 
> or:
> 
>    mark cards where the hilite of btn 1 is true
> 
> or:
> 
>    mark cards where field 1 contains "my string" and field 3 = "true"
> 
> Then you loop through the marked cards to get the information you want.
> This isn't as fast as a dedicated database but is often good enough for
> small data sets. You can use any variation of the "find" command (find
> string, find words, find whole, etc.) to mark the cards. This way you
> don't need to loop through all the cards. When you are done, unmark all
> cards.
> 
> --
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu May 31 02:55:08 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:55:08 -0700
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <465E2FDF.7090005@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <C283BF5C.26E64%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Thanks for the tips... This has yet to include any transtion audio, this
> is a small start:
> 
> go stack decompress (url
> "http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/htde_media-player.rev.gz")

If you'll forgive the shameless plug, you might want to take a look at our
tm|audio collection of royalty free sound effects for Revolution.  You get
almost 900 professionally recorded sounds, including transitions, as well as
beeps, buttons, switches, musical hits, notifications and even vocals, in
both male and female voices.  For folks concerned about download times, all
sounds are provided in low and hi res versions. The collection comes with a
free audition stack that lets you easily preview and manage the sounds --
import to stack or copy to disk.

You can visit the MEDIA section of our site if you'd like more info.

Best Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 31 03:02:13 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:02:13 +0100
Subject: Threading and Software Companies
Message-ID: <200705310802.13772.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Maybe silly question, but is there any way to do threading properly if you are 
reading the list from the archive?  I've been unable to get the list mailings 
through my ISPs spam filter, so read the archive on the web.  But when you 
respond, even if you use the right subject header, or put re in the subject, 
it always seems to start up a new thread.

As far as the personalities are concerned, everyone can't like everyone. 
Everyone can however be polite to everyone.  And absolutely everyone can keep 
off personalities.

Peter


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 31 03:34:10 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:34:10 +0100
Subject: All this talk about DataBases - but how to select?
Message-ID: <200705310834.10523.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Well first of all, thanks yet again to Jacque for Find and Mark and Scroll 
through - wonderful, thanks!  Another of these things which are totally 
obvious the minute you read them, and which you would never have found for 
yourself. 

Here is what I don't get though about Richard's approach.  Obviously it works, 
but I can't see how to do it.  Two cases, maybe will beg for help on the 
second one later.  Case one is a data set of about 3000 records, each with 
about 40 fields. Some of the fields are a few lines of text.

There seem to be three ways of doing this:  

(1)  put the lot into one field on one card with the records one per line and 
the values separated by tabs   This is Richard's approach, yes?  Except that 
sometimes he puts them in custom properties also.

(2) put each record in one field on a separate card, ie 3000 cards each with 
one field on.  This is Jacque's?

(3) put each record on one card, and have one field per value, or 3000 cards 
and 40 fields on each.  This seemed to be the approach that Richard was 
criticising as being too much overhead? 

The object of it all would be to allow searches, then bring up the records 
with a given chunk of text in them and allow scrolling through them.  Display 
them with labels for the values, appropriately styled and pretty - for 
instance a grey rectangle around the legend 'condition', followed by some 
statement of the condition, which would be the value.  Also to allow editing 
of the values and allow adding to them.

I can see how to do this by method (3) fairly readily.  I can't really see how 
to do the layouts in the other ways.  Do I have to read in the data as 
chunks, and create a temporary card with artwork for every record found, and 
fields for the values?  In that case why not go the whole hog and right away 
to (3), it wouldn't be much more work.  In fact, it would be less - there'd 
be no creating cards on the fly and then deleting them.

Find and Mark will evidently let you produce a scrollable set of cards very 
nicely in case (3)

Its the kind of thing which would take me all of an hour in Filemaker complete 
with the csv import - but alas, it don't come for this OS.  But as I start 
thinking about how to do it, its hard to avoid the reflection that anything 
except (3) is going to involve writing a flat file database complete with 
form creation for search and edit and add records, from scratch.  Or is there 
something else obvious like Find and Mark that I'm missing?

I have DS's book by the way, and it fell to bits early on from beng read.... 
Its great, as far as it goes.  But its not helping much with this!

Peter


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu May 31 04:11:00 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:11:00 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Threading and Software Companies
Message-ID: <294086.54487.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't know how threading "is done", and I also
wonder how the "timing" works with the RR Use-List.

Some series of postings unfold as embedded threads
beautifully on the list; and some don't.

Obviously, it would be really super if all the threads
were threaded (Oh, Gosh, that was almost stylistic
suicide); and once everybody understands how to do it
we might be in with an even chance of getting it
working properly.

The "timing" seems to make no sense at all - this is
probably because we all live in different timezones.

It would be really wonderful if somebody in the know
could explain threading (even if the only reason is so
I can not rub Scott Kane up the wrong way quite so
much :) Hi, Scott!).

Personalities: Quite!

Software Companies: They are a bit like dentists -
don't know whether to love them or hate them, but
dependent upon them nevertheless.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Thu May 31 07:27:55 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:27:55 +0200
Subject: Is it possible to clone a stack and the user does not see anything ?
Message-ID: <1D94E9AE-7F7A-4BEF-A338-0BE0EDB93DE4@inria.fr>

Hi,
In a handler I am cloning a stack, say, ? substackModel ?
Something like :
------
lock screen
clone stack "subStackModel"
   close stack "copy of subStackModel" -- to minimize the time it is  
visible
   set the name of stack "copy of subStackModel" to suchName
   set the mainStack of stack suchName to ?thisMainStack ?
   etc ...
-------
Despites the ? lock screen ? and the second line which close the new  
stack as soon as it has been created, the new created stack appears  
for a while.

Is it possible to do that invisibly  ?

Any advice ?
Thanks a lot in advance

Best regards from Grenoble (surrounded by white moutains for two days  
now !! :-)))
Andr?


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu May 31 07:53:56 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:53:56 +0200
Subject: Is it possible to clone a stack and the user does not see
	anything ?
In-Reply-To: <1D94E9AE-7F7A-4BEF-A338-0BE0EDB93DE4@inria.fr>
References: <1D94E9AE-7F7A-4BEF-A338-0BE0EDB93DE4@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <5B433BD2-2626-4AC7-AD0D-D56F0A934225@sosmartsoftware.com>

Bonjour Andr?,

This flicker problem has been solved two years ago by Sarah:
http://www.nabble.com/Cloning-stacks-invisibly--tf183329.html#a511158
:-)

A good trick!

Le 31 mai 07 ? 13:27, Andr?.Bisseret a ?crit :

> Hi,
> In a handler I am cloning a stack, say, ? substackModel ?
> Something like :
> ------
> lock screen
> clone stack "subStackModel"
>   close stack "copy of subStackModel" -- to minimize the time it is  
> visible
>   set the name of stack "copy of subStackModel" to suchName
>   set the mainStack of stack suchName to ?thisMainStack ?
>   etc ...
> -------
> Despites the ? lock screen ? and the second line which close the  
> new stack as soon as it has been created, the new created stack  
> appears for a while.
>
> Is it possible to do that invisibly  ?
>
> Any advice ?
> Thanks a lot in advance
>
> Best regards from Grenoble (surrounded by white moutains for two  
> days now !! :-)))
> Andr?

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu May 31 07:59:17 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:59:17 +0200
Subject: Is it possible to clone a stack and the user does not see
	anything ?
In-Reply-To: <5B433BD2-2626-4AC7-AD0D-D56F0A934225@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <1D94E9AE-7F7A-4BEF-A338-0BE0EDB93DE4@inria.fr>
	<5B433BD2-2626-4AC7-AD0D-D56F0A934225@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <AA1894D0-4005-4886-9840-29CD888736C8@sosmartsoftware.com>

Re,

Here is a simpler version of Sarah method that might help you:
In the card/stack script of the template stack, just insert:

on preopenStack
   if "copy" is in the short name of this stack then
     go invisible to this stack
   else
     <template stack regular preopenStack>
   end if
end preopenStack

Hope this helps.

Le 31 mai 07 ? 13:53, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Bonjour Andr?,
>
> This flicker problem has been solved two years ago by Sarah:
> http://www.nabble.com/Cloning-stacks-invisibly--tf183329.html#a511158
> :-)
>
> A good trick!
>
> Le 31 mai 07 ? 13:27, Andr?.Bisseret a ?crit :
>
>> Hi,
>> In a handler I am cloning a stack, say, ? substackModel ?
>> Something like :
>> ------
>> lock screen
>> clone stack "subStackModel"
>>   close stack "copy of subStackModel" -- to minimize the time it  
>> is visible
>>   set the name of stack "copy of subStackModel" to suchName
>>   set the mainStack of stack suchName to ?thisMainStack ?
>>   etc ...
>> -------
>> Despites the ? lock screen ? and the second line which close the  
>> new stack as soon as it has been created, the new created stack  
>> appears for a while.
>>
>> Is it possible to do that invisibly  ?
>>
>> Any advice ?
>> Thanks a lot in advance
>>
>> Best regards from Grenoble (surrounded by white moutains for two  
>> days now !! :-)))
>> Andr?
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Thu May 31 08:37:14 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:37:14 +0200
Subject: Is it possible to clone a stack and the user does not see
	anything ?
In-Reply-To: <AA1894D0-4005-4886-9840-29CD888736C8@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <1D94E9AE-7F7A-4BEF-A338-0BE0EDB93DE4@inria.fr>
	<5B433BD2-2626-4AC7-AD0D-D56F0A934225@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<AA1894D0-4005-4886-9840-29CD888736C8@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <62145F83-9471-476F-A626-5ED15B6857B8@inria.fr>

Bonjour ?ric et merci ;
This version is working nicely :-))

Andr?


Le 31 mai 07 ? 13:59, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Re,
>
> Here is a simpler version of Sarah method that might help you:
> In the card/stack script of the template stack, just insert:
>
> on preopenStack
>   if "copy" is in the short name of this stack then
>     go invisible to this stack
>   else
>     <template stack regular preopenStack>
>   end if
> end preopenStack
>
> Hope this helps.
>




From simplsol at aol.com  Thu May 31 08:50:47 2007
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:50:47 -0400
Subject: Solution for closeField problem
In-Reply-To: <20070531080428315043.2451d21f@sonsothunder.com>
References: <ca6.101866c5.338f72e3@aol.com>
	<20070531080428315043.2451d21f@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <8C9719971E1D82C-410-400@WEBMAIL-RD18.sysops.aol.com>

Ken,
I originally used "select empty" - with 2.7.2. It created some problems 
(such as deselecting text) but mostly it worked.
But it broke copy and paste in 2.8.1.
Paul Looney


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From: Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com>
To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:04 pm
Subject: Re: Solution for closeField problem


On Wed, 30 May 2007 20:37:55 EDT, SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:

> Jacque,
> Thank you, again, for your help last night. I was about to give up on 
this
> when your email arrived. It inspired me to try a little harder (like
> all night,
> all morning, and most of the afternoon). I believe I now have a 
solution to
> closing fields on OS X without moving to other fields.

Wow - never noticed this before. You can also just do "select empty"
which will cause a closeField to trigger as well:

on mouseDown
  select empty
  -- rest of your mouseDown script
end mouseDown

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

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From runr at prismpole.com  Thu May 31 09:16:57 2007
From: runr at prismpole.com (Michael Binder)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:16:57 -0400
Subject: Solution for closeField problem
Message-ID: <2ae47507892f727cc56fa18c6d42f170@prismpole.com>

Ken Ray wrote:
> You can also just do "select empty"
> which will cause a closeField to trigger as well:
>
> on mouseDown
>   select empty
>   -- rest of your mouseDown script
> end mouseDown
>
> Ken Ray

Paul Looney wrote:
> I originally used "select empty" - with 2.7.2. It created
> some problems (such as deselecting text) but mostly it
> worked.  But it broke copy and paste in 2.8.1.
> Paul Looney

Hello Paul and Ken,

I made the 'select empty' suggestion a couple of days
ago in Paul's previous thread:  "Closing a field by
clicking a button -OS X"

Paul, there must be something else going on in your stack
if 'select empty' does not work for you.  It works
fine for me in Rev 2.8.1.  If it really broke for you
under 2.8.1 then perhaps you have stumbled on a new
bug that crops up in your environment but not mine.
I am working on a mac ibook G4, OS 10.3.9.
--Michael Binder



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Thu May 31 09:18:56 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:18:56 -0400
Subject: All this talk about DataBases - but how to select?
In-Reply-To: <200705310834.10523.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C2844380.33D98%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I was wondering about the speed of using filemaker with a RunRev front end
in comparison to using RunRev with SQLite or Valentina.

I have been using SQLite and don't have very many records but do some
convoluted SQL that is fairly slow (many joins). I also use SQLitemanager in
conjunction with my RunRev front end as it saves me from writing a lot of
stuff that the SQLitemanager already does well. It is also excellent for
testing SQL.

I would like to try Valentina and compare but have been unable to import my
SQLite database into Valentina's demo for testing. It always chokes on
something in my data that it doesn't like.

I have also been thinking about using filemaker with the RunRev frontend
because filemaker has lots of stuff already done for me (much more than the
SQLitemanager) so using it in conjunction with RunRev might be a really
powerful solution.

EXCEPT

I haven't tested the speed of accessing filemaker databases through RunRev
yet. Anyone done this?


On 5/31/07 3:34 AM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> Its the kind of thing which would take me all of an hour in Filemaker complete
> with the csv import

            |    |    |






From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu May 31 10:28:32 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:28:32 +0200
Subject: why does focus on fld doesn't focus the field?
Message-ID: <002401c7a38f$f7f57d20$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello,

I have a scrolling field "foo", where I loose the focus when clicking into
field "foo", selecting the clicked line and calling some handlers and
filling other fields. My first idea was to focus on field "foo" at the end
of mouseUp to get the focus on field "foo" again in case the focus get lost
somewhere in the other handlers. But keyUp and keyDown don't work, the
cursor just stays on the same line. Additionally to the focus I have to
select line x of field "foo". (select line word 2 of the selectedline of fld
"foo"  of fld "foo") Now KeyUp and KeyDown work again. My question is: why
do you need a select line additionally to the focus to get the keys work
again? Even if actually a line still was selected. Is it a bug or just rev
logic or just a knot in my brain?

Thanks Tiemo

 

 

 



From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu May 31 10:31:51 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 09:31:51 -0500
Subject: why does focus on fld doesn't focus the field?
In-Reply-To: <002401c7a38f$f7f57d20$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <002401c7a38f$f7f57d20$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <465EDC57.4020102@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Tiemo,

I'm not sure if I'm understand what you are doing, but the following
should select the line and give the field the focus...

  set the selectedLine of fld "myField" to "1"

      - or -

  set the selectedLine of fld "myField" to (word 2 of the selectedLine
of fld "myField)  -- For purposes of re-selecting the line.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software

____________________________________________
Compress photos easily with JPEGCompress
www.dreamscapesoftware.com




Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have a scrolling field "foo", where I loose the focus when clicking into
> field "foo", selecting the clicked line and calling some handlers and
> filling other fields. My first idea was to focus on field "foo" at the end
> of mouseUp to get the focus on field "foo" again in case the focus get lost
> somewhere in the other handlers. But keyUp and keyDown don't work, the
> cursor just stays on the same line. Additionally to the focus I have to
> select line x of field "foo". (select line word 2 of the selectedline of fld
> "foo"  of fld "foo") Now KeyUp and KeyDown work again. My question is: why
> do you need a select line additionally to the focus to get the keys work
> again? Even if actually a line still was selected. Is it a bug or just rev
> logic or just a knot in my brain?
> 
> Thanks Tiemo
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu May 31 10:33:33 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:33:33 +0200
Subject: why does focus on fld doesn't focus the field?
In-Reply-To: <002401c7a38f$f7f57d20$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <002401c7a38f$f7f57d20$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <242D3FB5-710F-42CE-A4D1-B756486E1295@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Tiemo,

I am not sure to understand completely your problem but I am assume  
you have an editable field (unlocked) and a button to perform some  
action on the selected text in this field.
Set the traversalOn of the button to false and it will not get the  
focus :-)
Hope this helps.

Le 31 mai 07 ? 16:28, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :

> Hello,
>
> I have a scrolling field "foo", where I loose the focus when  
> clicking into
> field "foo", selecting the clicked line and calling some handlers and
> filling other fields. My first idea was to focus on field "foo" at  
> the end
> of mouseUp to get the focus on field "foo" again in case the focus  
> get lost
> somewhere in the other handlers. But keyUp and keyDown don't work, the
> cursor just stays on the same line. Additionally to the focus I  
> have to
> select line x of field "foo". (select line word 2 of the  
> selectedline of fld
> "foo"  of fld "foo") Now KeyUp and KeyDown work again. My question  
> is: why
> do you need a select line additionally to the focus to get the keys  
> work
> again? Even if actually a line still was selected. Is it a bug or  
> just rev
> logic or just a knot in my brain?
>
> Thanks Tiemo


Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
----------------------------------------------------------------




From toolbook at kestner.de  Thu May 31 10:41:12 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:41:12 +0200
Subject: AW: why does focus on fld doesn't focus the field?
In-Reply-To: <242D3FB5-710F-42CE-A4D1-B756486E1295@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <002901c7a391$bc8dbf20$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Sorry, my field is not editable and the select line or set the selected line
works. It was more of a understanding problem, because in my understanding
"focus" should have done the job and I was surprised to have to use "select"
Thanks Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Eric Chatonet
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 31. Mai 2007 16:34
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: why does focus on fld doesn't focus the field?
> 
> Hi Tiemo,
> 
> I am not sure to understand completely your problem but I am assume
> you have an editable field (unlocked) and a button to perform some
> action on the selected text in this field.
> Set the traversalOn of the button to false and it will not get the
> focus :-)
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Le 31 mai 07 ? 16:28, Tiemo Hollmann TB a ?crit :
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > I have a scrolling field "foo", where I loose the focus when
> > clicking into
> > field "foo", selecting the clicked line and calling some handlers and
> > filling other fields. My first idea was to focus on field "foo" at
> > the end
> > of mouseUp to get the focus on field "foo" again in case the focus
> > get lost
> > somewhere in the other handlers. But keyUp and keyDown don't work, the
> > cursor just stays on the same line. Additionally to the focus I
> > have to
> > select line x of field "foo". (select line word 2 of the
> > selectedline of fld
> > "foo"  of fld "foo") Now KeyUp and KeyDown work again. My question
> > is: why
> > do you need a select line additionally to the focus to get the keys
> > work
> > again? Even if actually a line still was selected. Is it a bug or
> > just rev
> > logic or just a knot in my brain?
> >
> > Thanks Tiemo
> 
> 
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
> eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Thu May 31 10:42:51 2007
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic THEBAULT)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:42:51 +0200
Subject: Qt Externals and long filename
Message-ID: <69151D23-4B5B-42B8-A17B-33B93F4439DB@laposte.net>

Hello,

Qt external seem to not work with filename > 32 chars (MacOS X)

"qterr,Unable to open movie" (with qtSaveMovieSnapShotToFile)

But perhaps there is a workaround ?

I want to display thumbnails from a folder of pictures and with QT  
external this is faster than do the same with Revolution only.

Thanks.

Rev. 2.6.1 - MacOS X 10.4



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu May 31 10:51:23 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 16:51:23 +0200
Subject: Solution for closeField problem
In-Reply-To: <8C9719971E1D82C-410-400@WEBMAIL-RD18.sysops.aol.com>
References: <ca6.101866c5.338f72e3@aol.com>
	<20070531080428315043.2451d21f@sonsothunder.com>
	<8C9719971E1D82C-410-400@WEBMAIL-RD18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20070531165123355800.c78c4069@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 31 May 2007 08:50:47 -0400, simplsol at aol.com wrote:

> Ken,
> I originally used "select empty" - with 2.7.2. It created some 
> problems (such as deselecting text) but mostly it worked.
> But it broke copy and paste in 2.8.1.

Well, I can't think of a time when you'd get a closeField message and 
still have text selected (I'd be interested to hear the scenario where 
this happened). And when you say it broke copy and paste, what 
situation are you thinking of?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From rcozens at pon.net  Thu May 31 11:41:53 2007
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 08:41:53 -0700
Subject: A Brief Introduction to SDB
Message-ID: <B0000053951@titan.pon.net>

 From the Database chapter of the Serendipity Reference stack (which 
is, itself, an SDB front end).:

Database handlers are used to create, access, and maintain stacks 
created in the Serendipity Database--Binary (SDB) format.

SDBs databases support:

* single-user exclusive update access with multi-user read-only access.
* client-server exclusive update, shared update & read-only access.
* multiple record types
* variable-length records, fields, & keys
* access by
	* Exact or approximate key
	* Relative position (first,prev,next,last)
	* Record Id (SDB card Id)
	* Raw record number (SDB card #-3)
	* Inverted key fields
* update & retrieval of individual fields
* selection based on field contents

In general, data is passed between the calling stack & SDB via two 
buffer areas, referred to in examples as "sdbBuffer" and 
"binaryBuffer".  The contents of sdbBuffer can change from operation 
to operation; but the general format for reads & writes places the 
record type in word 1 of line 1, followed by the record key.  Lines 2 
to -1 contain the record data (or a portion thereof).

BinaryBuffer is used to file or retrieve binary data which cannot be 
stored in a Transcript field.

Both buffers are passed by reference.  For example, the calling 
handler would place the record type & key in sdbBuffer* before 
calling getSDBRecord, and it would find the actual record type & key 
in line 1 of sdbBuffer followed by the record content after 
successful completion of the call.  If the record includes binary 
data, it is returned in binaryBuffer.  Since binaryBuffer is passed 
by reference, it must be initialized to empty even if no binary data 
is sent or received.
	
SDB record types are a maximum of 4 characters, and cannot contain 
leading or embedded blanks.  Record types are case sensitive.

There are six predefined record types:

* "0" designates that word 2 of sdbBuffer contains the SDB record id 
(ie: the Revolution card id) instead of a key.

* "#" designates that word 2 of sdbBuffer contains the raw SDB record 
number (ie: the Revolution card number - 3) instead of a key.

* "+" designates the next record (of the same record type) relative 
to the user's current position.

* "-" designates the previous record (of the same record type) 
relative to the user's current position.

* "DICT" designates the SDB Data Dictionary Record.

* "INVX" designates the SDB Inverted Field Index Record.
	
SDB records are delimited lists of fields (items).  The field 
delimiter used is specified by the calling handler.  IMPORTANT: 
Num-to-char(30), End of Record, is used by SDB Utilities for database 
backup & restore; thus its use in user data or as a field delimiter 
is prohibited. Also, although SDB accepts any field delimiter values 
from 1 to 256, it is recommended that a delimiter < 128 be used to 
avoid potential conflicts when running cross-platform in client/server mode.

All SDB commands return true or false in word 1 of the result.  If 
word 1 is true, an error occurred,	and the error description is in 
line 2.  Otherwise the result (for reads & writes) returns the record 
number in word 2, the record count in word 3, and the Revolution card 
id for the record in word 4.  Note the record number and record count 
are specific to the record type; so do not confuse the returned 
record number with the raw SDB record number.

The checkSDBResult command, when called immediately after a database 
handler call, will sound an alert, display an error message, and 
return true if the call generated an error.  If the original call was 
successful, checkSDBResult returns the original result.
	
The SDB handlers determine what database to access by referencing 
Library stack local variable, sdbDbId, which is returned by 
openSDBFile.  A user stack can have more than one SDB database open 
at the same time and maintain a current position in each; however it 
is the responsibility of the user stack to maintain a table of the 
ids of all open databases and to set the id of the correct database 
before each call [see getSDBDbId & setSDBDbId].

SDB includes three template stacks to be used to build standalone 
applications:  SDB_Utilities.rev, SDB_Server.rev, and SDB_Test_Client.rev.

SDB_Utilities.rev, is used to build a standalone application to 
create, open, backup, & restore SDB Database files, and to serve as 
the application to open an SDB databse if the user double-clicks on 
it instead of opening it from your application.  DO NOT use the stack 
itself, but build a standalone for your platform using SDB 
Utilities.rev, optionally including Revolution's animation 
library.  If you are building for Mac OS, set the creator code for 
the standalone to "sDIP".

SDB_Server.rev is used to build the SDB Server application for use in 
client/server mode.

SDB_Test_Client.rev is used to build an exemplar of SDB syntax and 
client application handlers

SDB also includes sdbTools.rev, a developers' plugIn including 
Windows registry set up and data dictionary access along with the 
utility functions available in SDB Utilities, and reVise.rev,a 
template stack for building a drag-and-drop application for 
compressing/expanding files/folders.
	
SDB Files are of four types:

*Databases created by SDB Utilities, sdbTools, and the createSDBFile 
handler are file type "sdb0" and end in ".sb0".

*Compressed database backups created by SDB Utilities and sdbTools 
are file type "sdb1" and end in ".sb1".

*Compressed gzip files created by reVise, SDB Utilities, and sdbTools 
are file type "sdb2" and end in ".sb2".

*Compressed gzip archives created by reVise, SDB Utilities, and 
sdbTools are file type "sdb3" and end in ".sb3"

Apple creator code is "sDIP".

In addition to documenting Library handlers and menus, this Reference 
serves as an exemplar of the use of an SDB database.  Check the 
scripts throughout this stack for database-related handlers, and use 
SDB Utilities to open English Reference Text.sb0.  Click on the file 
cabinet key and enter a valid password  ("Browse" or "Edit").  This 
enables the Edit menu and/or the Browse menuItem of the File menu.

The following commands and functions provide developer-level access to SDB:

addSDBComments
changeSDBRecord
checkSDBResult
closeSDBFile
createSDBFile
deleteSDBRecord
fileSDBRecord
findSDBRecord
getFirstSDBRecord
getLastSDBRecord
getSDBClientId
getSDBComments
getSDBDbId
getSDBRecord
logInSDBClient
logOutSDBClient
openSDBFile
preOpenSDBFiles
setSDBComments
setSDBClientId
setSDBDbId
theSDBRecordIndex
unlockSDBRecord

Questions and comments are werlcomed.

Rob Cozens, CCW
Resident Foole



From soapdog at mac.com  Thu May 31 12:05:50 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 13:05:50 -0300
Subject: A Brief Introduction to SDB
In-Reply-To: <B0000053951@titan.pon.net>
References: <B0000053951@titan.pon.net>
Message-ID: <6E701C7C-1B06-4BB1-B27D-7F58A5360ED0@mac.com>

Rob,

I really like serendipty library, I haven't used it in any project  
but I've played with it.

I can host your files if you choose to put them up again. :-D

Cheers
andre


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Thu May 31 12:38:21 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:38:21 +0300
Subject: All this talk about DataBases - but how to select?
In-Reply-To: <C2844380.33D98%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <C284D4AD.74418%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 31/5/07 4:18 PM, "Bill" <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:

Hi Bill,

> I was wondering about the speed of using filemaker with a RunRev front end
> in comparison to using RunRev with SQLite or Valentina.
> 
> I have been using SQLite and don't have very many records but do some
> convoluted SQL that is fairly slow (many joins). I also use SQLitemanager in
> conjunction with my RunRev front end as it saves me from writing a lot of
> stuff that the SQLitemanager already does well. It is also excellent for
> testing SQL.
> 
> I would like to try Valentina and compare but have been unable to import my
> SQLite database into Valentina's demo for testing. It always chokes on
> something in my data that it doesn't like.

1) you can read Valentina users testimonials, many of which contains
information about comparing Valentina speed to this or that DB.
Look here please:  
    http://www.valentina-db.com/en/testimonials


2) if you still want get your data into Valentina and need help you can
contact me off list, or even better subscribe to Valentina lists from our
SUPPORT page.

3) I wonder if you have try to use Valentina Studio -- this is
Valentina-based DBMS with GUI.

 
> I have also been thinking about using filemaker with the RunRev frontend
> because filemaker has lots of stuff already done for me (much more than the
> SQLitemanager) so using it in conjunction with RunRev might be a really
> powerful solution.
> 
> EXCEPT
> 
> I haven't tested the speed of accessing filemaker databases through RunRev
> yet. Anyone done this?

I can say that Valentina did win FileMaker/4D in 100-1000 times in benches
depending on queries.

Valentina wins SqlLite average at 30 times rate, and again sometimes can hit
up to 100 times win.

Valentina vs mySQL -- just few weeks ago was new switcher from mySQL which
have report that some his query that work in mySQL 5 min in Valentina works
5 seconds. I.e. 60 times win. And he reports that in mode of tons SMALL
selects to Valentina Server, Valentina wins about 25%.

Valentina vs Postgre ... Well, most people I have hear say that Postgre is
much slower of mySQL. Only once I have here opinion that in some special
case with computer in 100 CPUs and 1000 users around Postgre was faster of
mySQL.

Another switcher on Windows, from VistaDB (C# based db) have report that his
app start work 50 times faster with Valentina...

And so on...


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Thu May 31 13:14:58 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:14:58 +0200
Subject: weird altBrowser problem
Message-ID: <465F0290.9C6852CD@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

I am struggling with a problem involving altBrowser on Windows.

I have a standalone that uses altBrowser to display local html files
that include swf files. On each html file I have included the
client-side
flash plug-in detection script fund on the Adobe website.

When the standalone runs on my HD, everything works fine.
But when it runs on a CD-Rom, sometimes (and only sometimes), when
loading the local html file (also on the CD-Rom), altBrowser briefly
displays an error message (the kind of message you get online when
your browser can't access an url), and then loads the html + swf files
correctly..
This problem occurs only seldom, and on some Win boxes only...

I'm using the standard revBrowserOpen( windowId, url) found in the
docs.

Does anyone know what can cause this ? Is it related to the delay
needed for loading the files on the CD-Rom ? Is there a way to avoid it
?

Thanks in advance,

JB



From soapdog at mac.com  Thu May 31 13:30:05 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:30:05 -0300
Subject: weird altBrowser problem
In-Reply-To: <465F0290.9C6852CD@club-internet.fr>
References: <465F0290.9C6852CD@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <5EBB3096-BDAB-43E9-98C7-09C24ECE1A4E@mac.com>

JBV,

I think you have an IE engine or flash plugin problem and not an  
altBrowser problem, and those we can't really fix.

you can try refining your HTMLText to use better urls, like absolute  
urls pointing to the cd-rom file, not relative urls.


Cheers
andre

On May 31, 2007, at 2:14 PM, jbv wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I am struggling with a problem involving altBrowser on Windows.
>
> I have a standalone that uses altBrowser to display local html files
> that include swf files. On each html file I have included the
> client-side
> flash plug-in detection script fund on the Adobe website.
>
> When the standalone runs on my HD, everything works fine.
> But when it runs on a CD-Rom, sometimes (and only sometimes), when
> loading the local html file (also on the CD-Rom), altBrowser briefly
> displays an error message (the kind of message you get online when
> your browser can't access an url), and then loads the html + swf files
> correctly..
> This problem occurs only seldom, and on some Win boxes only...
>
> I'm using the standard revBrowserOpen( windowId, url) found in the
> docs.
>
> Does anyone know what can cause this ? Is it related to the delay
> needed for loading the files on the CD-Rom ? Is there a way to  
> avoid it
> ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> JB
>
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Thu May 31 13:34:14 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:34:14 +0200
Subject: weird altBrowser problem
References: <465F0290.9C6852CD@club-internet.fr>
	<5EBB3096-BDAB-43E9-98C7-09C24ECE1A4E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <465F0713.6389E1E@club-internet.fr>



Andre,

Thanks for your reply.

Actually I'm already using absolute urls...

JB

>
> you can try refining your HTMLText to use better urls, like absolute
> urls pointing to the cd-rom file, not relative urls.



From bvg at mac.com  Thu May 31 14:02:20 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:02:20 +0200
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <C283BF5C.26E64%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C283BF5C.26E64%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <6e601a358b30b22bfb3a999f1846ff6b@mac.com>

On 31 May 2007, at 08:55, Scott Rossi wrote:

> If you'll forgive the shameless plug, you might want to take a look at 
> our
> tm|audio collection of royalty free sound effects for Revolution.
> ...
>
> You can visit the MEDIA section of our site if you'd like more info.

I visited <http://tactilemedia.com> and did not find any royalty free 
sound collection there. The only one I saw was sold for more then 70 
USD. Can you point the free one out to me?

Thanks
Bj?rnke

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu May 31 14:22:26 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:22:26 +0200
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <6e601a358b30b22bfb3a999f1846ff6b@mac.com>
References: <C283BF5C.26E64%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<6e601a358b30b22bfb3a999f1846ff6b@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5814AAFC-BE0F-435B-A54C-D786C9C64269@major-k.de>

Hi Bj?rnke,

> On 31 May 2007, at 08:55, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> If you'll forgive the shameless plug, you might want to take a  
>> look at our
>> tm|audio collection of royalty free sound effects for Revolution.
>> ...
>> You can visit the MEDIA section of our site if you'd like more info.
> I visited <http://tactilemedia.com> and did not find any royalty  
> free sound collection there. The only one I saw was sold for more  
> then 70 USD. Can you point the free one out to me?

Well, check your english dictionary for "royalty" :-D

royalty free <> free!

> Thanks
> Bj?rnke
>
> -- 
>
> official ChatRev page:
> http://chatrev.bjoernke.com
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu May 31 14:29:11 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:29:11 -0700
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <6e601a358b30b22bfb3a999f1846ff6b@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C2846207.26F08%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Guten Tag Bj?rnke:

> I visited <http://tactilemedia.com> and did not find any royalty free
> sound collection there. The only one I saw was sold for more then 70
> USD. Can you point the free one out to me?

"Royalty Free" means no licensing required (unlimited use).  Here in the
USA, some stock media requires licensing for specific time periods and/or
the type of use.  The tm|audio package does not have these restrictions.

And yes, the tm|audio sound collection sells for US$79.

If you are looking for free sounds, you can search the Web for 'free sound
effects' and you will find some clips posted online.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From bvg at mac.com  Thu May 31 14:37:16 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:37:16 +0200
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <C2846207.26F08%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C2846207.26F08%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <57fba638fccb34e172f6ee3deff87610@mac.com>


On 31 May 2007, at 20:29, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Guten Tag Bj?rnke:
>
>> I visited <http://tactilemedia.com> and did not find any royalty free
>> sound collection there. The only one I saw was sold for more then 70
>> USD. Can you point the free one out to me?
>
> "Royalty Free" means no licensing required (unlimited use).  Here in 
> the
> USA, some stock media requires licensing for specific time periods 
> and/or
> the type of use.  The tm|audio package does not have these 
> restrictions.
>
> And yes, the tm|audio sound collection sells for US$79.

Ah, so royalty free is not free at all... Corporate speak is funny :D



From barryb at libero.it  Thu May 31 14:38:38 2007
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:38:38 +0200
Subject: MP3 Patents, was id3libv1.0.0 (Barry Barber)
Message-ID: <JIX54E$C1C10C00306654164A56B09BECC4152E@libero.it>

For the experts in the field who took part 

in this thread may I refer this article 

which might, if you havnt already seen it, 

be pertinent to your work:

http://www.fsf.org/news/playogg.html

All the best
Barry


------------------------------------------------------
Passa a Infostrada. ADSL e Telefono senza limiti e senza canone Telecom
http://click.libero.it/infostrada




From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu May 31 14:43:11 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:43:11 -0700
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <57fba638fccb34e172f6ee3deff87610@mac.com>
References: <C2846207.26F08%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<57fba638fccb34e172f6ee3deff87610@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c284c71f16f0@[192.168.1.103]>

Not strange at all. This is common language for companies that sell 
digital assets to describe what intellectual property rights you are 
buying.

>
>Ah, so royalty free is not free at all... Corporate speak is funny :D

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From klaus at major-k.de  Thu May 31 14:47:08 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:47:08 +0200
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <57fba638fccb34e172f6ee3deff87610@mac.com>
References: <C2846207.26F08%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<57fba638fccb34e172f6ee3deff87610@mac.com>
Message-ID: <59E63E59-3541-491C-8751-AA9CE4E37F08@major-k.de>


Am 31.05.2007 um 20:37 schrieb Bj?rnke von Gierke:

>
> On 31 May 2007, at 20:29, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> Guten Tag Bj?rnke:
>>
>>> I visited <http://tactilemedia.com> and did not find any royalty  
>>> free
>>> sound collection there. The only one I saw was sold for more then 70
>>> USD. Can you point the free one out to me?
>>
>> "Royalty Free" means no licensing required (unlimited use).  Here  
>> in the
>> USA, some stock media requires licensing for specific time periods  
>> and/or
>> the type of use.  The tm|audio package does not have these  
>> restrictions.
>>
>> And yes, the tm|audio sound collection sells for US$79.
>
> Ah, so royalty free is not free at all... Corporate speak is funny :D

This is plain english, mon ami :-)


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From bvg at mac.com  Thu May 31 14:55:56 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:55:56 +0200
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c284c71f16f0@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <C2846207.26F08%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<57fba638fccb34e172f6ee3deff87610@mac.com>
	<p06240801c284c71f16f0@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <fbc56aea7fe075f6b97480187cc52f29@mac.com>


On 31 May 2007, at 20:43, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Not strange at all. This is common language for companies...
>
>> Ah, so royalty free is not free at all... Corporate speak is funny :D

Hehe, stop it, you guys are killing me!

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu May 31 15:15:13 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:15:13 +0200
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <fbc56aea7fe075f6b97480187cc52f29@mac.com>
References: <C2846207.26F08%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<57fba638fccb34e172f6ee3deff87610@mac.com>
	<p06240801c284c71f16f0@[192.168.1.103]>
	<fbc56aea7fe075f6b97480187cc52f29@mac.com>
Message-ID: <042737EB-FB59-40F7-AE0B-8E6F0F9E64E2@major-k.de>

Am 31.05.2007 um 20:55 schrieb Bj?rnke von Gierke:

> On 31 May 2007, at 20:43, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>> Not strange at all. This is common language for companies...
>>
>>> Ah, so royalty free is not free at all... Corporate speak is  
>>> funny :D
>
> Hehe, stop it, you guys are killing me!

Hey, YOU started it ;-)

> -- 
>
> official ChatRev page:
> http://chatrev.bjoernke.com
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From ccondit at geo.umass.edu  Thu May 31 15:52:19 2007
From: ccondit at geo.umass.edu (Chris Condit)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:52:19 -0400
Subject: USB or Bluetooth GPS
Message-ID: <p06240801c284d1e410da@[172.30.22.132]>

Revolutionaries-

I've been working on making what I call "Dynamic Digital Maps"  using 
Rev  (you're welcome to piggy-back using my DDM-Template to make your 
own, see URL below).  The DDM allows one to open jpeg map images in 
the DDM, and supply georeference information on the image, it so you 
can get latitude-longitude read outs as you scroll the mouse over the 
image.  Now that classes are out, I'd like to take some time this 
summer to build in the capability to track your location from a GPS 
system as you are viewing the map (that is, to have the GPS signal 
drive the cursor location instead of having the mouse do it).

I've been looking over various GPS devices, and see a couple that 
might work that use either USB or supply "Communication with Host 
platform Via Bluetooth Serial Port Profile" and wonder if anyone can 
give me a pointer as to which, if either I might be able to use with 
Revolution.

In January this year, Sarah Reichelt allowed that:
"The [...] problem is that Rev cannot talk directly to a USB port. 
For all the interface things that I do, I use serial ports and I 
connect them to my Mac using a USB to serial adapter. Once you 
install the driver for such a device, Rev sees it as a serial device 
even though it is connected via USB, so then the standard serial 
commands work fine."

I can get a Keyspan serial adapter to hook up to a GPS, but that 
seems like a more cumbersome way to go than straight USB or 
Bluetooth.  Especially so, since USGlobalSat has two GPS that are 
WAAS enabled (for higher accuracy), one that uses a USB (for $80), 
and the other that uses Bluetooth for $160.

Appreciate any help
cheers
Chris
-- 
Dr. Christopher D. Condit,  Associate Prof.,  Dept. of Geosciences    
Univ. Massachusetts,  611 North Pleasant St., Amherst, MA, 01003-9297
ccondit at geo.umass.edu  413-545-0272
My Web Page:  http://www.geo.umass.edu/faculty/condit.htm
Revolution Dynamic Digital Maps: http://ddm.geo.umass.edu



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 31 16:02:30 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:02:30 -0500
Subject: Solution for closeField problem
In-Reply-To: <ca6.101866c5.338f72e3@aol.com>
References: <ca6.101866c5.338f72e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <465F29D6.9020206@hyperactivesw.com>

SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
 > Jacque,
 > Thank you, again, for your help last night. I was about to give up on 
this
 > when your email arrived. It inspired me to try a little harder (like 
all night,
 > all morning, and most of the afternoon). I believe I now have a 
solution to
 > closing fields on OS X without moving to other fields.

You're welcome, though really you did all the work yourself. But like 
Ken, I'm curious when you'd need to retain a selection after a 
closefield message. It isn't the norm.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bvg at mac.com  Thu May 31 16:02:07 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:02:07 +0200
Subject: USB or Bluetooth GPS
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c284d1e410da@[172.30.22.132]>
References: <p06240801c284d1e410da@[172.30.22.132]>
Message-ID: <0070fd201e24d24458b7b70a1826646a@mac.com>

Hi Chris

Theoretically you should be able to talk to the Bluetooth serial port 
like to any other serial port. I know that they get a COM descriptor on 
Windows (at least my adapter does), and should thus behave like any 
other serial port. However, how it would work on other platforms I do 
not know.

If you get it to work, I'm sure others would be thrilled to know how, 
and with which devices.

cheers
Bj?rnke

On 31 May 2007, at 21:52, Chris Condit wrote:

> ...
> I've been looking over various GPS devices, and see a couple that 
> might work that use either USB or supply "Communication with Host 
> platform Via Bluetooth Serial Port Profile" and wonder if anyone can 
> give me a pointer as to which, if either I might be able to use with 
> Revolution.
> ...

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From pepetoo at cox.net  Thu May 31 14:27:09 2007
From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:27:09 -0700
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <6e601a358b30b22bfb3a999f1846ff6b@mac.com>
References: <C283BF5C.26E64%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<6e601a358b30b22bfb3a999f1846ff6b@mac.com>
Message-ID: <71DA376C-6EAF-4906-95EA-F2D791191080@cox.net>

I'm pretty sure what he meant was that you can use the items without  
paying additional fees, but you have to buy them yourself, or  
ourselves, if we want to use them.

Joe Wilkins

On May 31, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> On 31 May 2007, at 08:55, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> If you'll forgive the shameless plug, you might want to take a  
>> look at our
>> tm|audio collection of royalty free sound effects for Revolution.
>> ...
>>
>> You can visit the MEDIA section of our site if you'd like more info.
>
> I visited <http://tactilemedia.com> and did not find any royalty  
> free sound collection there. The only one I saw was sold for more  
> then 70 USD. Can you point the free one out to me?
>
> Thanks
> Bj?rnke
>
> -- 
>
> official ChatRev page:
> http://chatrev.bjoernke.com
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 31 16:55:26 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:55:26 -0500
Subject: All this talk about DataBases - but how to select?
In-Reply-To: <200705310834.10523.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200705310834.10523.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <465F363E.1020507@hyperactivesw.com>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> Here is what I don't get though about Richard's approach.  Obviously it works, 
> but I can't see how to do it.  Two cases, maybe will beg for help on the 
> second one later.  Case one is a data set of about 3000 records, each with 
> about 40 fields. Some of the fields are a few lines of text.
> 
> There seem to be three ways of doing this:  
> 
> (1)  put the lot into one field on one card with the records one per line and 
> the values separated by tabs   This is Richard's approach, yes?  Except that 
> sometimes he puts them in custom properties also.

Or you could store it in a text file and just read that in. In any case, 
it's all the same approach; store the data as a single text variable. 
With this method, you use offset() or lineoffset() to find the record(s) 
you want, and use a display card to load in each record as needed. The 
display card  would have the same number of fields as record items (40 
in your case) and parse out the record data to fill each field 
appropriately. You need to write your own navigation commands with this 
method, re-filling the fields with the next or previous line of data on 
demand. When the user changes cards, you need a closeCard handler that 
gathers the field data, inserts appropriate item delimiters, and writes 
it back to the correct line in the text variable.

This is the method I used for a 40,000 record data set. The data was 
stored in a text file on disk and the application was only a single card 
that displayed the current record. This has the advantage of keeping the 
data separate from the interface, and the client only needed to backup 
the text file.

> 
> (2) put each record in one field on a separate card, ie 3000 cards each with 
> one field on.  This is Jacque's?

No, I use (3) usually. I don't see much advantage to this approach, 
except that the "mark" and "find" commands would bring you to the 
appropriate card easily. But you'd still need to parse the record into a 
display card if you wanted a nice display and easy user editing. You 
would also still need to collect modified data and write it back to your 
storage field. And if you don't want the user to see the data storage 
field, you'd have to do some lockscreen juggling to bypass the raw 
display and show the data on the user-friendly card.

> 
> (3) put each record on one card, and have one field per value, or 3000 cards 
> and 40 fields on each.  This seemed to be the approach that Richard was 
> criticising as being too much overhead? 

This is what I do if I am going to use a stack-based database. It has 
some overhead, but with 3,000 records I don't think that would be a 
problem. Make sure you use a group with background behavior when 
creating cards; that will keep the overhead to a minimum. This approach 
allows the find and mark commands to work well, and editing is automatic 
because each of the 40 fields can be editable as-is. You don't have to 
write any navigation or display scripts and everything "just works."

The disadvantage is that the data and interface are all together, and if 
you ever make changes to the stack and redistribute it to others, you 
will need to create export scripts to move the data out of the old stack 
and import scripts to move it back into the new stack. If the stack is 
only for your own use, then you won't have to do that, of course, 
because you'll probably just rescript your original. I have a lot of 
personal databases written this way and they work fine, but I'm the only 
one using them.

> Find and Mark will evidently let you produce a scrollable set of cards very 
> nicely in case (3)

Right, though note that to navigate marked cards, you need to use "go 
next marked card" rather than plain "go next". And if you want a list of 
all marked cards, you'll have to loop through them and grab the IDs or 
names (i.e., "repeat with x = 1 to the number of marked cds").

I think for a small data set like you describe, method 3 is the easiest 
and most versatile. It will allow you to do the most with the least 
scripting.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Thu May 31 16:57:58 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:57:58 +0200
Subject: OT : Flash / Swift 3D question
Message-ID: <465F36D6.9DAE9D1F@club-internet.fr>

Hi list,

I haven't used Flash in yeas and am asked to develop
some interactive 3D bar-charts to be displayed in html
pages, from xml data generated once a day with Rev cgi.

So anyone with some experience in interactive 3D in Flash
please contact me off-list for advice on the best tool and best
working method...

Thanks,
JB



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu May 31 17:48:34 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 14:48:34 -0700
Subject: Solution for closeField problem
In-Reply-To: <465F29D6.9020206@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <ca6.101866c5.338f72e3@aol.com>
	<465F29D6.9020206@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <465F42B2.7070707@pdslabs.net>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> SimPLsol at aol.com wrote:
>  > Jacque,
>  > Thank you, again, for your help last night. I was about to give up on 
> this
>  > when your email arrived. It inspired me to try a little harder (like 
> all night,
>  > all morning, and most of the afternoon). I believe I now have a 
> solution to
>  > closing fields on OS X without moving to other fields.
> 
> You're welcome, though really you did all the work yourself. But like 
> Ken, I'm curious when you'd need to retain a selection after a 
> closefield message. It isn't the norm.

But Paul isn't normal!

;o)

Phil Davis
(developer serving Paul and others)


From jeff at siphonophore.com  Thu May 31 17:51:49 2007
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:51:49 -0400
Subject: missing mousedowns mystery
In-Reply-To: <20070530234857.C99C8489257@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070530234857.C99C8489257@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <202B35A0-5A51-4B32-AFCA-0A745BD7D5D2@siphonophore.com>

I have a touch screen application where i trigger all events via  
mousedowns (works best for that type of interface).

The problem is once and a while a mouse down event is not caught by  
revolution. it appears to usually happen after clicking on a button  
that brings up a different group and then when you quickly try to  
click on one of the newly visible group's buttons quickly the  
mousedown is not captured on the object that is clicked on (like a  
transparent button). the mousedown message does go onto the card  
level though. why would a button that was clicked on not get the  
mousedown, but the card get it? it seems a bit time dependent, as  
this does not occur if i wait a second or two before hitting the  
second button. it is almost like the group is not really there yet  
even though you can see it and the mousedown script appears to be over.

It does appear that all the other handlers are getting the proper  
message since the same button that appears not go grab the mousedown  
does get the mouseenter message.

I am also finding that the mousedown is automatically passed to the  
card from a button mousedown if the group the button is on is hidden  
as part of the button's script. if the group is not hidden as part of  
the button's mousedown script the mousedown is not passed. this seems  
odd to me.

This happens in both standalone and authoring environments. so far i  
have only been dealing with this on the mac os. same behavior in both  
rev 2.6 and 2.8.

I think this particular stack is the only time i have seen this  
behavior as i have used mousedowns a lot in other stacks and never  
found them to similar missing mousedown catches in objects.

cheers,

Jeffrey Reynolds



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu May 31 17:57:14 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 07:57:14 +1000
Subject: missing mousedowns mystery
In-Reply-To: <202B35A0-5A51-4B32-AFCA-0A745BD7D5D2@siphonophore.com>
References: <20070530234857.C99C8489257@mail.runrev.com>
	<202B35A0-5A51-4B32-AFCA-0A745BD7D5D2@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860705311457o786e34fay2c0de28c38c856ee@mail.gmail.com>

> The problem is once and a while a mouse down event is not caught by
> revolution. it appears to usually happen after clicking on a button
> that brings up a different group and then when you quickly try to
> click on one of the newly visible group's buttons quickly the
> mousedown is not captured on the object that is clicked on (like a
> transparent button). the mousedown message does go onto the card
> level though.

I don't know why the problem occurs, but if you get the mouseDown
message at the card level, what is "the target" at that stage? If "the
target" is actually the button you wanted to click, you could use that
to trigger the correct script.

Another possibility would be to set a flag when mouseDown was handled
and if a mouseUp or mouseStillDown message arrived without the
mouseDown having happened, you could send the mouseDown directly.

Cheers,
Sarah


From hershf at rgllc.us  Thu May 31 18:01:08 2007
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:01:08 -0400
Subject: Connecting to postgres
Message-ID: <C284BDE4.2B05%hershf@rgllc.us>

Hi all, I'm trying to connect to postgres remotely osx without success.
Any help?

Port number?
Pg_hba.config settings ?


Thanks, Hershel Fisch



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu May 31 18:01:54 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:01:54 -0700
Subject: Jukebox Test
Message-ID: <C28493E2.26F4D%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Hello List:

While working with players and online files, I recently ran into some issues
involved with the latest version of QuickTime (7) that I've been trying to
figure out/work around.  Apparently QT caches all its downloads, even when
called from Revolution.  During my testing, I wound up updating an online
jukebox music player of mine that several of you are already familiar with
(holiday jukebox).  If any of you has a free moment, perhaps you can try out
the jukebox on your end and see if the downloading works properly.

The jukebox requires Rev 2.7 or later, QuickTime, and Trevor DeVore's
EnhancedQT external, which is available here:
http://www.bluemangolearning.com/download/revolution/enhancedqt/EnhancedQT.z
ip
The external simply needs to be placed in the Externals folder in your
Revolution application folder (or the Externals folder of the My Revolution
Enterprise folder of enterprise users) and then restart Rev, of course.

The music accessed by the jukebox is the same, and the stack design has not
changed (aside from a deep mask, which is much nicer than when the jukebox
was first built), but I've had to update the routines for managing tracks.
To run the stack (did you remember Trevor's external?), execute the
following in your Revolution message box:

go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/jukebox.rev"

If you run into any problems, please let me know offlist.

Thanks for your time.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu May 31 18:10:27 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:10:27 -0700
Subject: missing mousedowns mystery
In-Reply-To: <202B35A0-5A51-4B32-AFCA-0A745BD7D5D2@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <C28495E3.26F54%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Jeff Reynolds wrote:

> I have a touch screen application where i trigger all events via
> mousedowns (works best for that type of interface).
> 
> The problem is once and a while a mouse down event is not caught by
> revolution.

On a related note, it is sometimes possible to click "through" a stack that
has a deep mask applied to it, thus sending you to the desktop.  This is
very disconcerting, but unrelated to your problem.

I don't have an answer for 'why' the problem is happening, but as a
workaround, I'm wondering if you can add a trap mechanism to your stack to
see if the mouse is within the button's region while the group is visible,
perhaps at the card level.  Something like a mouseDown handler in the card
that tests the mouse's position in conjunction with the visibility of the
group; if true, send mouseDown to the problem button (or trigger the problem
button's script).

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From shari at gypsyware.com  Thu May 31 18:11:01 2007
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:11:01 -0400
Subject: Delete directory
Message-ID: <a06020400c284f5bd5fbf@[192.168.2.38]>

It goes thru and deletes all files in the directory before attempting 
to delete the directory.  The file deletions are successful, but the 
directory itself remains stubbornly in existance.  The failure is on 
OSX.  Any suggestions?

       if there is a directory myDir then
         delete directory myDir
         if the result is not empty then
           if gPlat is "X" then
             get shell("rm -rf" && q(myDir))
           else if gPlat is "W" then
             set the itemDel to "/"
             put item -1 of myDir into tFile
             put "\/:*?" & quote & "<>|" into tSpecialChars
             repeat for each char tChar in tSpecialChars
               replace tChar with ("-") in tFile
             end repeat
             put tFile into item -1 of myDir
             replace "/" with "\" in myDir
             if char 1 of word 2 of the systemVersion = "5" then
               get shell ("rmdir /s /q" && q(myDir,"Win32"))
             else
               get shell ("deltree /Y" && q(myDir,"Win32"))
             end if
           end if
         end if
       end if

function q pWhat
    return quote & pWhat & quote
end q

gPlat of course denotes the platform.

-- 
Windows and Macintosh shareware games
BIackjack Gold
http://www.gypsyware.com


From mark at maseurope.net  Thu May 31 18:11:27 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 23:11:27 +0100
Subject: Jukebox Test
In-Reply-To: <C28493E2.26F4D%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C28493E2.26F4D%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <55560751-19EF-4A89-A1AD-416900021C91@maseurope.net>

Seem to work perfectly here...

Mac PB G4 OS 10.4.9

Mark

On 31 May 2007, at 23:01, Scott Rossi wrote:

> go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/jukebox.rev"



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 31 18:21:09 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:21:09 -0500
Subject: Delete directory
In-Reply-To: <a06020400c284f5bd5fbf@[192.168.2.38]>
References: <a06020400c284f5bd5fbf@[192.168.2.38]>
Message-ID: <465F4A55.5090007@hyperactivesw.com>

Shari wrote:
> It goes thru and deletes all files in the directory before attempting to 
> delete the directory.  The file deletions are successful, but the 
> directory itself remains stubbornly in existance.

The "delete folder" command will only delete empty folders. You'll need 
to remove all the files first. Just put the "delete directory" command 
at the end of your handler instead of at the top.

Revolution has a "revDeleteFolder" command that does it all in one line, 
whether it contains files or not.

The Rev docs are much more thorough than the old MC docs, so I'd suggest 
using the MC transcript dictionary plugin to import all the Rev docs (I 
forget where I found that; is it at the IDE Yahoo group?) I rarely 
consult the MC docs any more, they're so terse. The above info was from 
the Rev docs.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 31 18:23:19 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:23:19 -0500
Subject: Solution for closeField problem
In-Reply-To: <465F42B2.7070707@pdslabs.net>
References: <ca6.101866c5.338f72e3@aol.com>	<465F29D6.9020206@hyperactivesw.com>
	<465F42B2.7070707@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <465F4AD7.1090905@hyperactivesw.com>

Phil Davis wrote:

> But Paul isn't normal!
> 
> ;o)
> 
> Phil Davis
> (developer serving Paul and others)

Now he'll either cut your pay for saying that, or be so flattered you'll 
get a raise. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From shari at gypsyware.com  Thu May 31 18:42:01 2007
From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 18:42:01 -0400
Subject: Delete directory
In-Reply-To: <465F4A55.5090007@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <a06020400c284f5bd5fbf@[192.168.2.38]>
	<465F4A55.5090007@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <a06020401c284fefd8ab1@[192.168.2.38]>

>The "delete folder" command will only delete empty folders. You'll 
>need to remove all the files first. Just put the "delete directory" 
>command at the end of your handler instead of at the top.
>
>Revolution has a "revDeleteFolder" command that does it all in one 
>line, whether it contains files or not.

I did delete all the files first, and put the "delete directory" 
command at the end of the handler, unless hidden OS-created files are 
a problem, too?  Let me try something.....

Shari
-- 
Windows and Macintosh shareware games
BIackjack Gold
http://www.gypsyware.com


From sundown at nwrain.net  Thu May 31 18:56:33 2007
From: sundown at nwrain.net (-= JB =-)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 15:56:33 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases
In-Reply-To: <465F363E.1020507@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <200705310834.10523.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<465F363E.1020507@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <e065e3566baa53c8872b2d9dad3a7c57@nwrain.net>


On May 31, 2007, at 1:55 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
> Or you could store it in a text file and just read that in. In any 
> case, it's all the same approach; store the data as a single text 
> variable. With this method, you use offset() or lineoffset() to find 
> the record(s) you want, and use a display card to load in each record 
> as needed. The display card  would have the same number of fields as 
> record items (40 in your case) and parse out the record data to fill 
> each field appropriately. You need to write your own navigation 
> commands with this method, re-filling the fields with the next or 
> previous line of data on demand. When the user changes cards, you need 
> a closeCard handler that gathers the field data, inserts appropriate 
> item delimiters, and writes it back to the correct line in the text 
> variable.
>
> This is the method I used for a 40,000 record data set. The data was 
> stored in a text file on disk and the application was only a single 
> card that displayed the current record. This has the advantage of 
> keeping the data separate from the interface, and the client only 
> needed to backup the text file.
>
    I am very new at using Revolution but I am a long time HyperCard 
user & still use it.
    Like you said the data could be stored in a text file.  In HyperCard 
one problem with
    storing the data in a field was the field had a limit of around 
32,000 chars.  But this
    could be overcome by creating new fields as the database grew and 
deleting them
    if it decreased.  The find command from hypercard would do the job 
pretty fast.

    My question about Revolution concerns field limits.  I haven't read 
anything about
    a character limit.  Is there a character limit in Revolution Fields. 
  If there isn't one
    that is actual is there one that is practical.  At what point doe 
the find command get
    too slow while searching a field or other things like sorting etc.

thanks,
-=>JB<=-



From simplsol at aol.com  Thu May 31 20:02:03 2007
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:02:03 -0400
Subject: Solution for closeField problem
In-Reply-To: <2ae47507892f727cc56fa18c6d42f170@prismpole.com>
References: <2ae47507892f727cc56fa18c6d42f170@prismpole.com>
Message-ID: <8C971F738172726-D8-23FF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com>

Michael, Ken, Jacque,
In my original post I said I'd already used "select empty".
It worked under 2.7.2 from July of last year.
When we made a new standalone (from the same original Rev stack) using 
2.8.1, copy and paste ceased to work.
There may be something in my code that affects this (code was attached 
to a previous email) but it is really quite simple and appears to be 
clean. We have been testing the new code today and, so far, it is 
working as desired. If "select empty" works for you, that is fine. If 
you need my workaround, you are welcome to it; I hope it helps.
Paul Looney

PS Jacque, I can't afford to pay Phil what he's worth, let alone give 
him a raise and I wouldn't dare give him a demotion. Besides you've met 
me, you KNOW he's right about this "normal" thing...


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Binder <runr at prismpole.com>
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: Thu, 31 May 2007 6:16 am
Subject: Re: Solution for closeField problem

Ken Ray wrote:?
> You can also just do "select empty"?
> which will cause a closeField to trigger as well:?
>?
> on mouseDown?
>   select empty?
>   -- rest of your mouseDown script?
> end mouseDown?
>?
> Ken Ray?
?

Paul Looney wrote:?

> I originally used "select empty" - with 2.7.2. It created?
> some problems (such as deselecting text) but mostly it?
> worked.  But it broke copy and paste in 2.8.1.?
> Paul Looney?
?

Hello Paul and Ken,?
I made the 'select empty' suggestion a couple of days?
ago in Paul's previous thread:  "Closing a field by?
clicking a button -OS X"?
Paul, there must be something else going on in your stack?
if 'select empty' does not work for you.  It works?
fine for me in Rev 2.8.1.  If it really broke for you?
under 2.8.1 then perhaps you have stumbled on a new?
bug that crops up in your environment but not mine.?
I am working on a mac ibook G4, OS 10.3.9.?

--Michael Binder?
?

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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu May 31 20:18:20 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 01:18:20 +0100
Subject: weird altBrowser problem
In-Reply-To: <465F0290.9C6852CD@club-internet.fr>
References: <465F0290.9C6852CD@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <C726CB53-B51C-42BE-80AA-D3CA4A9437EA@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

I'd say it's a spin-up issue. Insert a delay and see if that stops it  
from happening. Or: Prior to the URL fetch ask it to read in a small  
text file from the CD to get it going and then fetch the URL. Or: Get  
the volume info OF THE CD. Essentially they are just different ways  
to get the drive to spin-up.
I've found 'fast' old drives take longer to spin-up.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 31 May 2007, at 18:14, jbv wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I am struggling with a problem involving altBrowser on Windows.
>
> I have a standalone that uses altBrowser to display local html files
> that include swf files. On each html file I have included the
> client-side
> flash plug-in detection script fund on the Adobe website.
>
> When the standalone runs on my HD, everything works fine.
> But when it runs on a CD-Rom, sometimes (and only sometimes), when
> loading the local html file (also on the CD-Rom), altBrowser briefly
> displays an error message (the kind of message you get online when
> your browser can't access an url), and then loads the html + swf files
> correctly..
> This problem occurs only seldom, and on some Win boxes only...
>
> I'm using the standard revBrowserOpen( windowId, url) found in the
> docs.
>
> Does anyone know what can cause this ? Is it related to the delay
> needed for loading the files on the CD-Rom ? Is there a way to  
> avoid it
> ?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> JB
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu May 31 20:22:12 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 01:22:12 +0100
Subject: On Board Sound -- Midi in Custom Props
In-Reply-To: <6e601a358b30b22bfb3a999f1846ff6b@mac.com>
References: <C283BF5C.26E64%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<6e601a358b30b22bfb3a999f1846ff6b@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6D8D3F0D-4C67-4331-BA4E-3C99C242134D@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Try here: http://creativecommons.org/audio/

Cheers,

Luis.


On 31 May 2007, at 19:02, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> On 31 May 2007, at 08:55, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>> If you'll forgive the shameless plug, you might want to take a  
>> look at our
>> tm|audio collection of royalty free sound effects for Revolution.
>> ...
>>
>> You can visit the MEDIA section of our site if you'd like more info.
>
> I visited <http://tactilemedia.com> and did not find any royalty  
> free sound collection there. The only one I saw was sold for more  
> then 70 USD. Can you point the free one out to me?
>
> Thanks
> Bj?rnke
>
> -- 
>
> official ChatRev page:
> http://chatrev.bjoernke.com
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"
>
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From sundown at nwrain.net  Thu May 31 22:11:00 2007
From: sundown at nwrain.net (-= JB =-)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 19:11:00 -0700
Subject: All this talk about DataBases - Valentina
In-Reply-To: <e065e3566baa53c8872b2d9dad3a7c57@nwrain.net>
References: <200705310834.10523.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<465F363E.1020507@hyperactivesw.com>
	<e065e3566baa53c8872b2d9dad3a7c57@nwrain.net>
Message-ID: <8e599cb1496a27e5ab2190b47f57c3c0@nwrain.net>


On May 31, 2007, at 3:56 PM, -= JB =- wrote:

>
> On May 31, 2007, at 1:55 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>
>> Or you could store it in a text file and just read that in. In any 
>> case, it's all the same approach; store the data as a single text 
>> variable. With this method, you use offset() or lineoffset() to find 
>> the record(s) you want, and use a display card to load in each record 
>> as needed. The display card  would have the same number of fields as 
>> record items (40 in your case) and parse out the record data to fill 
>> each field appropriately. You need to write your own navigation 
>> commands with this method, re-filling the fields with the next or 
>> previous line of data on demand. When the user changes cards, you 
>> need a closeCard handler that gathers the field data, inserts 
>> appropriate item delimiters, and writes it back to the correct line 
>> in the text variable.
>>
>> This is the method I used for a 40,000 record data set. The data was 
>> stored in a text file on disk and the application was only a single 
>> card that displayed the current record. This has the advantage of 
>> keeping the data separate from the interface, and the client only 
>> needed to backup the text file.
>>
>    I am very new at using Revolution but I am a long time HyperCard 
> user & still use it.
>    Like you said the data could be stored in a text file.  In 
> HyperCard one problem with
>    storing the data in a field was the field had a limit of around 
> 32,000 chars.  But this
>    could be overcome by creating new fields as the database grew and 
> deleting them
>    if it decreased.  The find command from hypercard would do the job 
> pretty fast.
>
>    My question about Revolution concerns field limits.  I haven't read 
> anything about
>    a character limit.  Is there a character limit in Revolution 
> Fields.  If there isn't one
>    that is actual is there one that is practical.  At what point doe 
> the find command get
>    too slow while searching a field or other things like sorting etc.
>
> thanks,
> -=>JB<=-

    Revolution explains Databases and when it is more efficient to use 
one in
    Chapters 2 and 8 of the Revolution docs.  It appears they suggest 
using a
    database after 2,000 records.

    I have read some about Valentina.  They say it is fast and can be 
used with
    the Studio version of Rev.  Oracle needs the higher version of Rev.

    I tried to read the license to learn about any royalties I would 
need to pay
    with Valentina but I really didn't find the answer.

    Does Valentina require any royalties with software I sell if I 
decide to use
    it as my chosen database.

    What features does Oracle have that would make me consider using it
    instead of Valentina or vice versa.

    I am assuming if I choose Valentina I need the Developers Kit if I 
am going
    to market the software.  Any info about Valentina and Revolution 
good or
    bad would be nice to know.  I have been to the website already.

thanks,
-=>JB<=-



From jeff at siphonophore.com  Thu May 31 22:49:58 2007
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:49:58 -0400
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 44, Issue 67
In-Reply-To: <20070601021302.1911448949F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070601021302.1911448949F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <E3BF7911-8567-4B3E-BB2A-51C4C2287F1D@siphonophore.com>

Thanks Sarah and Scott,

I have tried in the past to trap the missed mousedown when they go  
through, but its a real pain since there are a lot of possible  
buttons it may have been intended for and i need to go through the  
list of them to see if the clickloc was with each to find who should  
get the mousedown message sent to it again.

If i cant figure out whats causing this i amy have to resort to this  
work around. this one is puzzling. no clear pattern other than  
timing. never seems to happen if a couple of seconds elapses between  
clicks. this one is frustrating! i have tried moving the sequence of  
what goes on to bring up the group with the buttons that then miss a  
quick mousedown event, flushing events, etc to no avail.

cheers,

jeff


Jeffrey Reynolds


On May 31, 2007, at 10:13 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

>> The problem is once and a while a mouse down event is not caught by
>> revolution. it appears to usually happen after clicking on a button
>> that brings up a different group and then when you quickly try to
>> click on one of the newly visible group's buttons quickly the
>> mousedown is not captured on the object that is clicked on (like a
>> transparent button). the mousedown message does go onto the card
>> level though.
>
> I don't know why the problem occurs, but if you get the mouseDown
> message at the card level, what is "the target" at that stage? If "the
> target" is actually the button you wanted to click, you could use that
> to trigger the correct script.
>
> Another possibility would be to set a flag when mouseDown was handled
> and if a mouseUp or mouseStillDown message arrived without the
> mouseDown having happened, you could send the mouseDown directly.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu May 31 23:09:41 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:09:41 -0500
Subject: Solution for closeField problem
In-Reply-To: <8C971F738172726-D8-23FF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com>
References: <2ae47507892f727cc56fa18c6d42f170@prismpole.com>
	<8C971F738172726-D8-23FF@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <465F8DF5.4010801@hyperactivesw.com>

simplsol at aol.com wrote:

> In my original post I said I'd already used "select empty".
> It worked under 2.7.2 from July of last year.
> When we made a new standalone (from the same original Rev stack) using 
> 2.8.1, copy and paste ceased to work.

I wonder if this has to do with the changes that were made to keyboard 
shortcuts in 2.8.1 rather than a failure of "select empty". I'm not sure 
how, but maybe the problem is a copy/paste issue rather than a 
closefield one. The deal is, the change was supposed to fix keystroke 
issues, not break them (and usually it does fix it.)

> PS Jacque, I can't afford to pay Phil what he's worth, let alone give 
> him a raise and I wouldn't dare give him a demotion. Besides you've met 
> me, you KNOW he's right about this "normal" thing...

Yeah, you're two of a kind. :) I've met Phil too and he isn't normal 
either...he's psychic. He walks up to me out of the blue in an airport, 
a total stranger, and says, "are you Jacque Gay?" I'm like...whoa.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu May 31 23:23:02 2007
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 13:23:02 +1000
Subject: weird altBrowser problem
In-Reply-To: <20070601021301.BFCBD48905B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C285CE36.252C%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Luis' suggestion to load a small local file first is a good one (a blank
page works fine). I've had to do it a few times.

Terry...

> Hiya,
> 
> I'd say it's a spin-up issue. Insert a delay and see if that stops it
> from happening. Or: Prior to the URL fetch ask it to read in a small
> text file from the CD to get it going and then fetch the URL. Or: Get
> the volume info OF THE CD. Essentially they are just different ways
> to get the drive to spin-up.
> I've found 'fast' old drives take longer to spin-up.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 
> 
> On 31 May 2007, at 18:14, jbv wrote:
> 
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> I am struggling with a problem involving altBrowser on Windows.
>> 
>> I have a standalone that uses altBrowser to display local html files
>> that include swf files. On each html file I have included the
>> client-side
>> flash plug-in detection script fund on the Adobe website.
>> 
>> When the standalone runs on my HD, everything works fine.
>> But when it runs on a CD-Rom, sometimes (and only sometimes), when
>> loading the local html file (also on the CD-Rom), altBrowser briefly
>> displays an error message (the kind of message you get online when
>> your browser can't access an url), and then loads the html + swf files
>> correctly..
>> This problem occurs only seldom, and on some Win boxes only...
>> 
>> I'm using the standard revBrowserOpen( windowId, url) found in the
>> docs.
>> 
>> Does anyone know what can cause this ? Is it related to the delay
>> needed for loading the files on the CD-Rom ? Is there a way to
>> avoid it
>> ?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> JB

-- 
Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA

61-3 8344 0187