From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar  1 00:30:05 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:30:05 -0600
Subject: like pass, but without ending the handler
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860702281959u3bc52d97jfc362ef764cac9f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C20A793E.22E93%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<20070228093316381684.258d4107@sonsothunder.com>
	<7aa52a210702281225q2b0fe55dr14bd555a2477ebb2@mail.gmail.com>
	<609B7D14-8DE9-4CB0-8EDA-672C34092B14@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7aa52a210702281319i68c2d6ha965e3e9729c32b9@mail.gmail.com>
	<59A6F7E4-0DC1-4EF9-A2A2-981B51745294@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7aa52a210702281429m3c73d95peb7272d0cc5c2c04@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E60FF7.1030200@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210702281622r11abf1c7qa6568661acaa0ab8@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860702281959u3bc52d97jfc362ef764cac9f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210702282130i2800b71dh4876e34b2e0f7548@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Sarah, will do.


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar  1 00:32:13 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:32:13 -0600
Subject: like pass, but without ending the handler
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210702282130i2800b71dh4876e34b2e0f7548@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C20A793E.22E93%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<7aa52a210702281225q2b0fe55dr14bd555a2477ebb2@mail.gmail.com>
	<609B7D14-8DE9-4CB0-8EDA-672C34092B14@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7aa52a210702281319i68c2d6ha965e3e9729c32b9@mail.gmail.com>
	<59A6F7E4-0DC1-4EF9-A2A2-981B51745294@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7aa52a210702281429m3c73d95peb7272d0cc5c2c04@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E60FF7.1030200@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210702281622r11abf1c7qa6568661acaa0ab8@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860702281959u3bc52d97jfc362ef764cac9f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210702282130i2800b71dh4876e34b2e0f7548@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210702282132q7753b4bq5d9f44557ba6bf98@mail.gmail.com>

So, for posterity's sake here's the final.

Here's what I ended up with..Seems to work fine and I don't see any
increase in processor usage on XP.

Script of btn 1 (the "test" button)

on mouseUp
  answer getThing()
end mouseUp

function getThing
 repeat forever
   wait 100 millisecs with messages
   if there is a file "C:/test.txt" then
     put URL ("file:C:/test.txt") into tResult
     if tResult is empty then next repeat
     delete file "C:/test.txt"
     beep
     exit repeat
   end if
 end repeat
  return tResult
end getThing

Script of btn 2 (the "stop now" button)

on mouseUp
  put "stop Now" into URL("file:C:/test.txt")
end mouseUp


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu Mar  1 00:58:32 2007
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 00:58:32 -0500
Subject: Site for sore eyes
Message-ID: <206c6a4dfc60aecf4051ad6314aa5b4b@wehostmacs.com>

> Good idea, but sadly one has to 'sign-up' for the site in order to
> comment. Bummer.

At least you don't need an account to just view the site



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar  1 01:35:55 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 00:35:55 -0600
Subject: ANN: StackRunner 1.6 Now Available
Message-ID: <20070301003555703202.2e9b163a@sonsothunder.com>

Just a quick note to let you know that a new version of StackRunner was 
released today. Version 1.6 is built on Revolution 2.8.0 and provides 
Universal Binary, PowerPC Only, Intel Only, and Windows builds. 

For more information, visit the StackRunner web page: 
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/StackRunner.htm

Thanks!

(Now, on to finish RevZilla... :-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar  1 02:07:24 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:07:24 -0800
Subject: ANN: StackRunner 1.6 Now Available
In-Reply-To: <20070301003555703202.2e9b163a@sonsothunder.com>
References: <20070301003555703202.2e9b163a@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <189189429705.20070228230724@ahsoftware.net>

Ken-

Wednesday, February 28, 2007, 10:35:55 PM, you wrote:

> Just a quick note to let you know that a new version of StackRunner was
> released today. Version 1.6 is built on Revolution 2.8.0 and provides
> Universal Binary, PowerPC Only, Intel Only, and Windows builds. 

Hooray!

> (Now, on to finish RevZilla... :-)

Otra vez Hooray!

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From signe.sanne at roman.uib.no  Thu Mar  1 03:38:53 2007
From: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:38:53 +0100
Subject: Umlaut--Success!
In-Reply-To: <D54B0AF3-3387-4901-B5FA-B2059FE0CE68@byu.edu>
References: <DF9BD56F-DD6A-4ED4-B174-72539BAA0F89@roman.uib.no>
	<D54B0AF3-3387-4901-B5FA-B2059FE0CE68@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <6504CB0E-F73A-4D2B-852F-9AF4D6AC1644@roman.uib.no>

Hello Devin,

I'm afraid none of the methods can be used. I have lots of texts in  
which I use "#" for the n with umlaut. These will be fed into fields  
on the fly appearing with the correct letter instead of the "#". So  
far I have used images for various text sizes which work reasonably  
well. My problem arose when I wanted to select a line in the text,  
then having to change the colour of the image as well. So I think  
I'll stick to the images, just double the sets of images with  
selection colours as well.  Thanks for all the help from you and Mark.

Signe Marie Sanne

Den 28. feb. 2007 kl. 18:57 skrev Devin Asay:
>  You *can* do this in Rev. Here's how I did it in OS X (I'm using  
> rev 2.8 in OSX 10.4.8):
>
> 1. Create a field and set its textfont to a unicode font:
>   set the textFont of fld "unistuff" to "Verdana,unicode"
>
> 2. Enable the Unicode Hex Input method in the International system  
> prefs under the input tab. This will cause the Unicode Hex Input  
> method to appear in the input menu (the one with the little flags  
> on the right side of the menubar.)
>
> 3. Position the insert cursor in the field, choose Unicode Hex  
> Input from the input menu, then type :
>   n (then, holding alt/option key down) 0308
>
>   the n with umlaut should appear.
>
> Sorry, don't know how to do this via direct input in Windows.  
> However, the following should work on either OS:
>
> 1. Create a UTF-8 encoded text file that includes the desired  
> character. I used BBedit, making sure I chose a font that supported  
> unicode (Tahoma or Lucida Grande should work) and that the document  
> encoding was set to UTF-8, then created the n-umlaut character just  
> as I described in #3 above.
>
> 2. Save the file to disk.
>
> 3. Read it in to your rev fld using the uniencode() function.
>
> I've created a stack that shows how to do this.
>
> go stack url "http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/testUnicode.rev"
>
> You may also want to download the utf-8 file from http:// 
> revolution.byu.edu/unicode/textUni.ut8. This is the file that the  
> sample stack reads from.
>
> HTH
>
> Devin
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Thu Mar  1 04:26:46 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 01:26:46 -0800
Subject: like pass, but without ending the handler
In-Reply-To: <45E60FF7.1030200@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C20BDC56.22F02%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 2/28/07 3:27 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> The important part is the "wait <time> with messages", which allows user
> input to occur simultaneously. That will allow you to put in a "stop"
> button. But while "wait with messages" does allow the messages to
> happen, it does not allow them to be acted on. They will pile up in a
> queue until the loop is exited. Some of them, anyway. I think some were
> just lost.

Jacque, could you please clarify this?  What's the difference between
happening and being acted on?  If Rev loses messages, I'd like to
understand, so I don't write code that's likely to fail and that cannot be
debugged.  

-- Dick




From mlange at widged.com  Thu Mar  1 04:33:14 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:33:14 +0000
Subject: like pass, but without ending the handler
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210702282132q7753b4bq5d9f44557ba6bf98@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C20A793E.22E93%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<7aa52a210702281225q2b0fe55dr14bd555a2477ebb2@mail.gmail.com>
	<609B7D14-8DE9-4CB0-8EDA-672C34092B14@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7aa52a210702281319i68c2d6ha965e3e9729c32b9@mail.gmail.com>
	<59A6F7E4-0DC1-4EF9-A2A2-981B51745294@economy-x-talk.com>
	<7aa52a210702281429m3c73d95peb7272d0cc5c2c04@mail.gmail.com>
	<45E60FF7.1030200@hyperactivesw.com>
	<7aa52a210702281622r11abf1c7qa6568661acaa0ab8@mail.gmail.com>
	<f99b52860702281959u3bc52d97jfc362ef764cac9f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210702282130i2800b71dh4876e34b2e0f7548@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210702282132q7753b4bq5d9f44557ba6bf98@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA91BB1D-1FD1-4212-AE41-44580F77D768@widged.com>

Thanks for asking the question, Dick and for keeping the flow going,  
Chipp, that was an highly informative thread. "wait [time] with  
messages" was a priceless find.

> So, for posterity's sake here's the final.

And for posterity... I have resumed a good habit and archived this  
thread at:
<http://codes.widged.com/?q=node/726>
code nicely colored, etc. etc.

Cheers,
Marielle




From mlange at widged.com  Thu Mar  1 05:01:01 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 10:01:01 +0000
Subject: like pass, but without ending the handler
In-Reply-To: <C20BDC56.22F02%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C20BDC56.22F02%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <A6928571-060E-46DF-91BA-40077C2E0E95@widged.com>

> Jacque, could you please clarify this?  What's the difference between
> happening and being acted on?  If Rev loses messages, I'd like to
> understand, so I don't write code that's likely to fail and that  
> cannot be
> debugged.
>
> -- Dick

Got a discussion on this with Mark on chatrev a fortnight ago... is  
this part of the dialogue any related to your question? (see the 2  
buttons situation below)

> Marielle: I tried creating a stack. One button.
> Marielle: Button script:
> Marielle: on mouseup .... lock messages ... answer "hi" ... end  
> mouseup
> Marielle: if I click over and over again on the button, I get to  
> see the dialog box
> Mark: of course, because lock messages doesn't stop the running  
> handler
> Mark: it only stops messages from being sent and thus prevents  
> "new" handlers from being run
> Marielle: not the current one. But if I am supposed to put xtalk in  
> a "I don't listen" mode, then this wouldn't work the second time.
> Mark: no, because messages are unlocked as soon as all handlers  
> have finished running
> Mark: d.w.z. all handlers that are called by the currently running  
> handler
> Marielle: okay
> Marielle: so that's just temporary.
> Marielle: okay, two buttons. First one, on mouseup ... answer  
> "hi"... end mouseup
> Marielle: second one, on mouseup .... set the lockmessages to  
> true ... send mouseup to button 1 ... end mouseup
> Marielle: I still see the dialog box
> Mark: do you mean, you see the dialog box twice?
> Mark: oh, two buttons
> Mark: ok
> Marielle: but if I send "click at the loc of button 1" then I don't  
> see it.
> Mark: so, that's normal, because you are calling a handler from an  
> already running handler
> Mark: right, because "click" makes the engine send the message
> Mark: and lock messages prevents the engine from sending these  
> messages
> Marielle: okay, I start to understand better
> Marielle: lock messages prevent messages triggered by onscreen  
> events from being listened to (forwarded is probably more exact)
> Marielle: flush events gets these messages created...accumulate  
> them.... then trash them.
> Mark: more exact would be to say that lock messages prevents the  
> engine from sending the messages, while you can still "send" them  
> yourself
> Marielle: yes, that's what I mean by "onscreen" events
> Marielle: (messages that are the results of user actions)
> Mark: flush events doesn't accumulate any messages, it just trashes  
> messages if they are waiting at that particular moment
> Mark: "waiting" meaning that they are in the queue
> Marielle: so messages get processed as they arrive. If messages  
> haven't been processed yet, they get trashed?
> Mark: sorry, in what kind of situation?
> Marielle: generic case (abstract level).... let's try to come up  
> with a situation.
> Marielle: I have a button. On click triggers a process that takes a  
> few computer cycles.
> Marielle: I have a user with problems who just decided to bang his  
> head on the keyboard. That slow process is triggered again and again.
> Marielle: the engine will do its best to process all request.
> Marielle: but a flushevents will just tell it "forget about it",  
> ignore all other requests in the queue?
> Marielle: is it something like this?


I paste below the rest the dialog, relevant to these issues, below  
this reveals my abysmal lack of mastery of any advanced concept.

I would be keen as well to have a good explanation on messages, when  
they can be skipped or left in the queue or discarded. flushevents vs  
lockmessages, when to use them, how to use them, etc.

> Marielle: related question. Lock messages... what is it for exactly?
> [...]
> Mark: lock messages just stops all messages from being sent
> Mark: all of them
> Mark: but the handler that is running keeps running of course
> Marielle: it's just that calls to any other handlers are not made  
> anymore?
> Mark: no
> Mark: I didn't say calls
> Mark: I said messages that are being sent
> Mark: you can still call handlers from another handler
> Marielle: so, what are messages exactly. UI events?
> Marielle: what's the difference between a user clicking on the  
> screen and doing "send mouseup" from within a script?
> Marielle: (I mean if lockmessages is set to true)
> Mark: the difference is that if the user clicks on the screen, it  
> is the engine that sends a new message
> Marielle: but lockmessages will have the same effect on both?
> Marielle: That engine part, newbies like me never had a chance to  
> understand how this works.
> Mark: I believe that the messages invoked by "send" will run  
> immediately
> Mark: that's just another way to call a handler
> Marielle: so, though you use the word "message", it will be "sent"  
> despite the fact lockmessages is set to true?
> Mark: yes, and yes it is logical ;-)
> Marielle: sure! Logical.
> Marielle: so if lockmessages doesn't prevent messages from being  
> sent, what does it do?
> Marielle: What is a "message", by the way?
> Mark: a message is what makes handlers run
> Mark: but they can be sent from another handler or by the engine
> Marielle: what triggers them?
> Mark: and lockmessages prevents the engine from sending them
> Marielle: how is message <> event?
> Mark: no events in xtalk languages
> Mark: we dont' call them events
> Marielle: so a message is the same as what others call events?
> Marielle: events -> message -> handler.
> Marielle: the logic would be that you can't block events (they are  
> things that the user do on the screen)
> Mark: I don't know, I don't know how other people define event
> Marielle: but in xtalk, you can block messages.
> Mark: I don't know what" things that user do" are
> Mark: yes you can
> Marielle: "things" = madly clicking all over the place with the mouse
> Mark: eventually, messages are sent as a result of user input,  
> including opening the programme
> Marielle: a mousedown is what I do with my mouse. xTalk cannot stop  
> me from doing it.
> Marielle: but xtalk can choose not to listen
> Mark: yes, if a user clicks with the mouse madly, there is user  
> input and messages are being sent, unless you lock messages
> Marielle: how long does the lock messages remain active? within the  
> handler it is in?
> Marielle: is it like itemdel, where the value is put back to the  
> default one when the handler exits?
>
> [part above]
>
> Mark: well, you'd have to flush many different messages
> Mark: maybe that command should have been called flushMessages :-)
> Marielle: :-D
> Mark: you'd have to flush keydown, rawkeydown, commandkeydown, and  
> many more messages
> Marielle: flushEvents("all")
> Marielle: okay, so again the doc is incomplete. I can flush more  
> events than listed there.
> Marielle: I could flush something specific like a commandkeydown?
> Mark: you can flush any message
> Mark: and I wouldn't expect the docs to list every single message
> Marielle: Although some of the eventTypes have the same names as  
> built-in Transcript messages, there is a distinction. For example,  
> the mouseDown event type is the operating system's response to the  
> user clicking the mouse button. When the operating system sends  
> this event to the application, Revolution sends a mouseDown message  
> to the target object. The expression flushEvents(mouseDown)  
> prevents the application from responding to any mouseDown events it  
> has received from the operating system, but has not yet processed.
> Mark: let me have a look myself
> Mark: I see they give a list of events
> Mark: yes :-D
> Mark: so, according to the docs, only particular events can be  
> flushed, I didn't know that
> Mark: after all, I used this only once
> Marielle: that's what the doc says. But it wouldn't be the first  
> time that what it says is not what it does.
> Mark: the docs may be right, give it a try
> Mark: do a repeat loop for a few seconds, then try flushEvents 
> ("mouseMove")
> Marielle: yeah, I was gonna write that mousemove is the easiest  
> case to test
> Mark: see if your mouseMove handler runs, if you put it in a field  
> and move over that field while the repeat loop is running
> Mark: yup
> Marielle: okay, will give it a try.
> Marielle: thanks... I start to get a better idea of what I need to  
> do to try and understand ;-)
> Mark: great
> Marielle: so this is revolution genius bar?
> Mark: nah
> Mark: not necessarily

Best,
Marielle



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 05:09:10 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:09:10 +0800
Subject: If statements vs case
In-Reply-To: <C20B979D.1A40%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <10c108ae7e20b5bd233adeb84d28d7b2@wehostmacs.com>
	<C20B979D.1A40%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703010209p6983b229y2945ce787bcf447d@mail.gmail.com>

As usual I'm late to the thread.

You might like to read a thread that covered this a while back. Search for:

Subject: switch case question
Date: 10/22/06
From: Mark Swindell

The thread includes some great detective work by Dar who figured out
occasions when switch will be faster than if-then.

Sorry I couldn't post a straight link but I can't figure out how to create a
link from Gmail to a list thread.

HTH


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Mar  1 06:37:27 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:37:27 +0000
Subject: If statements vs case
In-Reply-To: <45E2468E.7030901@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E2468E.7030901@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <200703011137.27865.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

This is perfect - clear succinct and very useful, and exactly what naive users  
mean when they find the documentation a little sketchy.  Its having to work 
out stuff like this by hand from the dictionary and then get it down in notes 
someplace.  Thanks.  

But... why not get it into the online help as well?

Peter

On Monday 26 February 2007 02:31, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Hershel Fisch wrote:
> > Hi every one, how would one put the differences between multiple if, else
> > if's vs. case's
>
> In many respects they're quite similar, and for many uses the choice of
> one over another can be a matter of stylistic preference.
>
> But there is at least one functional difference which may be worth
> keeping in mind; I don't use it often, but I'm grateful for it when I do:
>
> Case statements allow a fall-through option, so that each case need not
> be exclusive the way if-then is.
>
> For example, in this block:
>
> switch tVar
>    case "a"
>    case "b"
>      DoThing1
>      break
>    case "c"
>      DoThing2
>    case "d"
>      DoThing3
>      break
>    case "e"
>      DoThing4
> end switch
>
> ..the cases "a" and "b" both trigger "DoThing1", and the hit the break
> so they exit.
>
> But "c" and "d" both trigger "DoThing3", with "c" first triggering
> "DoThing2" before falling through to the next case.  It falls through
> because there is no "break" statement".   And because there is a "break"
> after "DoThing3", neither "c" nor "d" every triggers "DoThing4", since
> the "break" prevents the fall-through.
>
> With the multiple criteria exemplified by "a" and "b" above, and the
> fall-through of having no break between "c" and "d", you can see that
> case blocks offer a level of flexibility not found in if-thens.
>
> And for many uses, FWIW I often find case blocks easier to read.


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar  1 07:28:04 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:28:04 +0100
Subject: move file to trash on windows
Message-ID: <1A9ACA65-10E9-446C-BEC3-49B0A3A1DB73@major-k.de>

Hi friends,

anyone knows of a simple way to move a file to the trash with Rev on  
windows?

Executing a VBS script is not an option.
Using shell("del...") immediately removes the file like "delete  
file..." in Rev does.

I know there is a folder "DRIVELETTER:/RECYCLER" but there is another  
folder in it and I am not
sure if simply moving files to the first of these subfolder(s?) will  
do what I want:
rename file XYZ to "DRIVELETTER:/RECYCLER/(line 1 of the subfolder 
(s?) of RECYCLER)"
???

Looks like there is no specialfolderpath for the trash.

Any hints are very welcome!


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Mar  1 07:51:24 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:51:24 +0000
Subject: like pass, but without ending the handler
In-Reply-To: <C20BDC56.22F02%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C20BDC56.22F02%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <E749CA12-1553-4DAF-9486-A9F054D58AA6@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 1 Mar 2007, at 09:26, Dick Kriesel wrote:

> On 2/28/07 3:27 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>
>> The important part is the "wait <time> with messages", which  
>> allows user
>> input to occur simultaneously. That will allow you to put in a "stop"
>> button. But while "wait with messages" does allow the messages to
>> happen, it does not allow them to be acted on. They will pile up in a
>> queue until the loop is exited. Some of them, anyway. I think some  
>> were
>> just lost.
>
> Jacque, could you please clarify this?  What's the difference between
> happening and being acted on?  If Rev loses messages, I'd like to
> understand, so I don't write code that's likely to fail and that  
> cannot be
> debugged.

I don't know of any case of messages being lost. Generally, the  
approach outlined by Mark works fine. But there are a couple of  
things to watch out for.

1.  Be careful that you can't re-enter the original script. You could  
do this by disabling the button (if that's what's used) or setting a  
flag of some kind. (The example below disables the Start button.)  If  
you don't do this, it's hard to predict what will happen. Try  
disabling the "disable me" line below, and then click the Start  
button a few times. And then the Stop button.

If you do want the process to be re-enterable (doing many things in  
parallel), you'll need to keep track of the different "threads".  
Perhaps by using an array of some kind. (libUrl does this kind of  
thing with mutiple load requests.)

2. Be careful of placing other "wait .. with messages" commands  
before an earlier one has been "released". Again, in the example  
below, try uncommenting the marked line in the "processToWaitFor"  
handler. You'll see that it stops the repeat loop in mouseUp  
handler.  This can be a hidden problem if you bundle something in a  
library that runs asynchronously, and uses a callback to indicate it  
has finished.


## EXAMPLE based on Mark's earlier example, two buttons named "Start"  
and "Stop"

##script of button "Start"

local sProcessDone, sMessageID

on mouseUp
   disable me ## Point 1 stop re-entry
   put false into sProcessDone
   send "processToWaitFor" to me in 0 milliseconds

   put 0 into tCounter
   repeat until sProcessDone or tCounter >= 100
     wait for 100 milliseconds with messages
     add 1 to tCounter
     put tCounter
   end repeat
   put "DONE"
   enable me ## OK now
end mouseUp

on processToWaitFor
   ## simulated backgroun process
   send "processFinished" to me in 10 seconds
   put the result into sMessageID
   ##wait until sProcessDone with messages ## Point 2 CAREFUL

end processToWaitFor

on processFinished
   put true into sProcessDone
end processFinished

on stopButtonClicked
   cancel sMessageID
   put true into sProcessDone
end stopButtonClicked

##script of button "Stop"

on mouseUp
   send "stopButtonClicked" to button "Start"
end mouseUp

Cheers
Dave


From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Thu Mar  1 08:40:08 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:40:08 +0100
Subject: move file to trash on windows
In-Reply-To: <1A9ACA65-10E9-446C-BEC3-49B0A3A1DB73@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <OFC0BB732D.9FA8A5A7-ONC1257291.004AEB5E-C1257291.004B1600@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi Klaus,

the only possibility you'll find is this:
http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/shell/recyclebin.htm
(source code for a xcmd provided :)

There is no vbs or dos way i know of that i could find. But there is 
alternative which
is to move files to a tempTrash folder which you can later delete... This 
removes all
limitations of the recycle bin as it is just another folder...

Regards,
---------------------=---------------------
Xavier Bury



use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 01/03/2007 13:28:04:

> Hi friends,
> 
> anyone knows of a simple way to move a file to the trash with Rev on 
> windows?
> 
> Executing a VBS script is not an option.
> Using shell("del...") immediately removes the file like "delete 
> file..." in Rev does.
> 
> I know there is a folder "DRIVELETTER:/RECYCLER" but there is another 
> folder in it and I am not
> sure if simply moving files to the first of these subfolder(s?) will 
> do what I want:
> rename file XYZ to "DRIVELETTER:/RECYCLER/(line 1 of the subfolder 
> (s?) of RECYCLER)"
> ???
> 
> Looks like there is no specialfolderpath for the trash.
> 
> Any hints are very welcome!
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
> 
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar  1 08:43:09 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 13:43:09 +0000
Subject: Galaxy Questions?
In-Reply-To: <C20AFEC4.436D8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C20AFEC4.436D8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A89495C6-6C6B-43FA-AF30-2E0A535103D9@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Is there any place you can ask questions about Galaxy?

All the Best
Dave



From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Thu Mar  1 09:04:27 2007
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:04:27 -0600
Subject: Galaxy Questions?
In-Reply-To: <A89495C6-6C6B-43FA-AF30-2E0A535103D9@looktowindward.com>
References: <C20AFEC4.436D8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<A89495C6-6C6B-43FA-AF30-2E0A535103D9@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <5DBF1BF0-2E1C-46A2-A488-3DE428CAC891@daniels-mara.com>

Dave,

During the installation process there are several opportunities to  
get added to the Galaxy Support Site that uses Basecamp. If you are  
on it, then post questions, etc. there. If not, drop a note to  
support at daniels-mara.com indicating your desire.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Makers of Galaxy 1.5
http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm



On Mar 1, 2007, at 7:43 AM, Dave wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is there any place you can ask questions about Galaxy?
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar  1 09:05:21 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:05:21 +0100
Subject: move file to trash on windows
In-Reply-To: <OFC0BB732D.9FA8A5A7-ONC1257291.004AEB5E-C1257291.004B1600@deutsche-boerse.com>
References: <OFC0BB732D.9FA8A5A7-ONC1257291.004AEB5E-C1257291.004B1600@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <A3E4426E-0A7E-4C90-A93A-7BA4FBD17C02@major-k.de>

Bonjour mon ami, ca va bien?

> Hi Klaus,
>
> the only possibility you'll find is this:
> http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/shell/recyclebin.htm
> (source code for a xcmd provided :)
>
> There is no vbs or dos way i know of that i could find. But there is
> alternative which
> is to move files to a tempTrash folder which you can later  
> delete... This
> removes all
> limitations of the recycle bin as it is just another folder...

Ah, yes, I saw this (md "C:\Trash" etc...) when seraching the net for  
a solution.
But I'm afraid this will not work for our project.

Thanks a lot anyway :-)

> Regards,
> ---------------------=---------------------
> Xavier Bury

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar  1 09:10:52 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:10:52 +0000
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
Message-ID: <EF36831D-E60D-4B88-9E6C-B7DA9724C5F2@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Please see text from the RunRev 2.8.x Dictionary copied below. Is the  
line:

  delete global myArray[17] -- removes 17th element of that array

Correct? Does it remove the 17th element, rather the element with the  
Key that is "17" ?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


delete local tempVariable
delete global myArray[17] -- removes 17th element of that array

Description:
Use the delete variable command to free memory used by a large  
variable, or to clean up after using many variable names.

Parameters:
The variableName is the name of any local or global variable.

The arrayIndex is a key of an array variable. If an arrayIndex is  
specified instead of a variable name, the delete variable command  
removes that element of the array, without deleting the rest of the  
elements in the array.

Comments:
If you use the delete variable form, the variableName, global or  
local, is deleted.

The delete variable command not only removes the contents of the  
variable, but deletes it entirely from memory. If you delete a key  
from an array variable, that element of the array no longer exists as  
part of the variable.

   Note:  Local variables that are used within a handler are  
automatically deleted when the handler in which they are used exits.




From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Mar  1 09:31:18 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 11:31:18 -0300
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <EF36831D-E60D-4B88-9E6C-B7DA9724C5F2@looktowindward.com>
References: <EF36831D-E60D-4B88-9E6C-B7DA9724C5F2@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <B5B1CEB6-77BC-4ED8-A0BF-96F78CD6F071@mac.com>

Dave,

arrays are tricky. To delete array variables I use

delete variable myArray[myKey]

Andre

On Mar 1, 2007, at 11:10 AM, Dave wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Please see text from the RunRev 2.8.x Dictionary copied below. Is  
> the line:
>
>  delete global myArray[17] -- removes 17th element of that array
>
> Correct? Does it remove the 17th element, rather the element with  
> the Key that is "17" ?
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
>
> delete local tempVariable
> delete global myArray[17] -- removes 17th element of that array
>
> Description:
> Use the delete variable command to free memory used by a large  
> variable, or to clean up after using many variable names.
>
> Parameters:
> The variableName is the name of any local or global variable.
>
> The arrayIndex is a key of an array variable. If an arrayIndex is  
> specified instead of a variable name, the delete variable command  
> removes that element of the array, without deleting the rest of the  
> elements in the array.
>
> Comments:
> If you use the delete variable form, the variableName, global or  
> local, is deleted.
>
> The delete variable command not only removes the contents of the  
> variable, but deletes it entirely from memory. If you delete a key  
> from an array variable, that element of the array no longer exists  
> as part of the variable.
>
>   Note:  Local variables that are used within a handler are  
> automatically deleted when the handler in which they are used exits.
>
>
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From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Thu Mar  1 09:35:37 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:35:37 +0100
Subject: move file to trash on windows
In-Reply-To: <A3E4426E-0A7E-4C90-A93A-7BA4FBD17C02@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <OFC862F929.4D3C0099-ONC1257291.004FDC19-C1257291.00502A47@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hallo du!

All is well, though under immense pressure which MetaCard is relieving in 
half! ;)

Le travail c'est la sante, ne rien faire c'est la garder ;)

I decided to renew my Metacard license with the new 2.8 enterprise engine 
and haven't had 
the time to test it even! ;)

cheerios!

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 01/03/2007 15:05:21:

> Bonjour mon ami, ca va bien?
> 
> > Hi Klaus,
> >
> > the only possibility you'll find is this:
> > http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/shell/recyclebin.htm
> > (source code for a xcmd provided :)
> >
> > There is no vbs or dos way i know of that i could find. But there is
> > alternative which
> > is to move files to a tempTrash folder which you can later 
> > delete... This
> > removes all
> > limitations of the recycle bin as it is just another folder...
> 
> Ah, yes, I saw this (md "C:\Trash" etc...) when seraching the net for 
> a solution.
> But I'm afraid this will not work for our project.
> 
> Thanks a lot anyway :-)
> 
> > Regards,
> > ---------------------=---------------------
> > Xavier Bury
> 
> Regards
> 
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
> 
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar  1 09:44:52 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:44:52 +0000
Subject: Apathy Rules ok?  was Copy Paste update
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210702271036v146b9e74g361b70bc28734db0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45E46450.5050305@howsoft.com>
	<7aa52a210702271036v146b9e74g361b70bc28734db0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1BC9C79C-AA84-4D94-9322-554FE065B7B5@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

God it's sad isn't it that it really comes down to this?

How many major RunRev releases have there been ?

Up to 2.8.x now  and they still can't get it together to fix a simple  
thing like getting Cut and Paste and general Command/Control key  
handling to work correctly. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad.

They make and more importantly *sell* this product and yet they just  
leave stuff like this broken for literally years, even more  
inexcusable is the fact that you fixed it in such a short period of  
time,  just goes to show how much effort they (don't) put in and how  
much they (don't) care.

Of course their web site is fill of the glories of 2.8.x and their  
news letters are full of how wonderful it all is. No mention that you  
they can't be bothered to make Cut and Paste work (as well as god  
knows how many other problems they just can't be bothered to fix).

Beyond belief!

Take Care Ya'll and Thanks for this Chipp, at least *someone* cares!
All the Best
Dave

On 27 Feb 2007, at 18:36, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Check it out yourself. The frontscript is pretty easy to grok, so I
> imagine adding other key commands would be pretty easy...
>
> altCopyPasteFix.rev
>
> put in the messageBox and execute:
>
> go URL "http://www.gadgetplugins.com/altplugins/altCopyPasteFix.rev"
>
> If you don't use the altPluginToolbar, be sure and click on the upper
> left (just left of the checkbox) to palette it.
>
> It has a little 'noise' which helps you to know you're actually
> copying and pasting.
>
> best,
> Chipp
>
> On 2/27/07, Bob Warren <bobwarren at howsoft.com> wrote:
>> Chipp Walters wrote:
>>
>> >I've created a plugin which steps in front of Rev's frontscripts and
>> manages all Copy/Paste keyboard commands. Like some of our others,
>> it's very small, and is comprised of a simple checkbox to turn it on
>> and off, and an UPDATE button.
>>
>>
>> It's only tested on WinXP, but seems to work fine for me. Works with
>> altPluginToolbar. If you're interested in testing it out, give me a
>> shout and I'll send you the URL. I'll post it later after it's banged
>> on a bit more.
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------
>> Is it likely to work in Rev/Linux 2.6.1 or the pending 2.8?
>> If so, I would certainly be interested.
>> Using Ubuntu 6.06 Dapper Drake, copy/paste rarely, if ever, works  
>> at all using the keyboard!
>> Does (or will) your plugin include the CTRL+S and CTRL+A functions?
>> At the moment, I have to close the code editor and message box in  
>> order to save from the menu. Not exactly convenient!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Mar  1 09:45:49 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:45:49 +0000
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <EF36831D-E60D-4B88-9E6C-B7DA9724C5F2@looktowindward.com>
References: <EF36831D-E60D-4B88-9E6C-B7DA9724C5F2@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <41FF06F1-FD3E-4C6E-B0C7-145C266EBFBF@lacscentre.co.uk>

>
>  delete global myArray[17] -- removes 17th element of that array
>
> Correct? Does it remove the 17th element, rather the element with  
> the Key that is "17" ?

It deletes the key that is named "17". Try the following to check:

on mouseUp
   repeat with k = 1 to 20
      put "abc" into tArray[k * 2 + 1]
   end repeat

   delete variable tArray[17]
   put keys(tArray)
end mouseUp



Cheers
Dave


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu Mar  1 09:49:01 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:49:01 +0000
Subject: Complementary RGB Color Pairs
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c208b75389e6@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <45E2108D.1010107@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
	<p06240802c208b75389e6@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <45E6E7DD.3060006@anachreon.co.uk>

Just spotted this on the net, reminded me of this thread:

http://www.colorjack.com/sphere/

Cheers,

Luis.


Stephen Barncard wrote:
> Thanks to all who responded.
> I was turned onto a lot of information about color.
> 
> I guess the upshot is that a simple compliment - literally - will do 
> what I wanted - subtracting 255 from each part of the color array. This 
> is what I came up with:
> 
> FUNCTION complimentColor pTrio
>          REPEAT for each item tITEM in pTrio
>                   put abs(tITEM - 255) & comma after tOut
>          END REPEAT
>          delete last char of tOut
>          return tOut
> END complimentColor
> 
> 
> Obviously there are many color reference systems out there that can 
> provide great color combinations... especially the one at
> 
> http://wellstyled.com/tools/colorscheme2/index-en.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> For those who do not want to bother to download a big stack just for 
>> the matter of a few script lines
>> here is the script of btn "complementary colors" that at least gives 
>> you a hint how to proceed to find out
>> complementary color triplets:
>>
>> "on mouseUp
>>  set the cursor to watch
>>  put the milliseconds into Start
>>  put the imageData of image 2 into iData
>>  put 0 into counter
>>  repeat for each char C in idata
>>    add 1 to counter
>>    put numtochar(255 - chartonum(C)) into char counter of idata
>>  end repeat
>>  set the imageData of image 2 to iData
>>  put the milliseconds - Start into fld "test"
>> end mouseUp"
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Wilhelm Sanke
> 


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar  1 10:15:50 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:15:50 -0600
Subject: move file to trash on windows
In-Reply-To: <A3E4426E-0A7E-4C90-A93A-7BA4FBD17C02@major-k.de>
References: <OFC0BB732D.9FA8A5A7-ONC1257291.004AEB5E-C1257291.004B1600@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<A3E4426E-0A7E-4C90-A93A-7BA4FBD17C02@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <20070301091550106718.b9c65eea@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:05:21 +0100, Klaus Major wrote:

> Bonjour mon ami, ca va bien?
> 
>> Hi Klaus,
>> 
>> the only possibility you'll find is this:
>> http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/shell/recyclebin.htm
>> (source code for a xcmd provided :)
>> 
>> There is no vbs or dos way i know of that i could find. But there is
>> alternative which
>> is to move files to a tempTrash folder which you can later delete... This
>> removes all
>> limitations of the recycle bin as it is just another folder...
> 
> Ah, yes, I saw this (md "C:\Trash" etc...) when seraching the net for 
> a solution.
> But I'm afraid this will not work for our project.

Would using a custom DLL work for your project? If so, I'm sure someone 
can whip one up...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar  1 10:16:29 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:16:29 +0000
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <41FF06F1-FD3E-4C6E-B0C7-145C266EBFBF@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <EF36831D-E60D-4B88-9E6C-B7DA9724C5F2@looktowindward.com>
	<41FF06F1-FD3E-4C6E-B0C7-145C266EBFBF@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C0125F03-5D96-423A-8486-B58D2FF0D51B@looktowindward.com>

Yes, that's what I thought, so:

>> delete global myArray[17]

does not delete the 17th element, unless the key "17" just happens to  
the 17th element. The documentation is confusing on this point. Also  
the whole name "Array" for this datatype is confusing, a better name  
would be "table", since it doesn't behave like an array at all.

All the Best
Dave

On 1 Mar 2007, at 14:45, Dave Cragg wrote:

>>
>>  delete global myArray[17] -- removes 17th element of that array
>>
>> Correct? Does it remove the 17th element, rather the element with  
>> the Key that is "17" ?
>
> It deletes the key that is named "17". Try the following to check:
>
> on mouseUp
>   repeat with k = 1 to 20
>      put "abc" into tArray[k * 2 + 1]
>   end repeat
>
>   delete variable tArray[17]
>   put keys(tArray)
> end mouseUp
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Dave
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar  1 10:38:17 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:38:17 -0700
Subject: Umlaut--Success!
In-Reply-To: <6504CB0E-F73A-4D2B-852F-9AF4D6AC1644@roman.uib.no>
References: <DF9BD56F-DD6A-4ED4-B174-72539BAA0F89@roman.uib.no>
	<D54B0AF3-3387-4901-B5FA-B2059FE0CE68@byu.edu>
	<6504CB0E-F73A-4D2B-852F-9AF4D6AC1644@roman.uib.no>
Message-ID: <F221A2C0-9509-4E45-84FB-FBC336DB679E@byu.edu>

Signe,

You can still do it without one of these methods. Let's take your  
case as an example. Say you have a field "poundfield" that contains  
your text with # for each n-umlaut. Now create another field, say  
field "result", and set its textFont to a unicode font as in #1 of my  
first post, below. Now create a button with the following script:

on mouseUp
   get fld "poundfld"
   replace "#" with "n??" in it
   set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
end mouseUp

Barring any automatic Mac to PC character substitutions (by Rev or by  
your mail client,) this should result in the #'s in your poundfield  
being replaced by the character you want. If it doesn't work as  
posted here, the three characters in the 'with' part of the replace  
statement are ASCII-110 ASCII-204 ASCII-136. So you could generate  
them reliably by doing this:

on mouseUp
   get fld "poundfld"
   put numToChar(110) & numToChar(204) & numToChar(136) into tChars
   replace "#" with tChars in it
   set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
end mouseUp

Hope this saves you from a kludge. ;-)

Devin

On Mar 1, 2007, at 1:38 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:

> Hello Devin,
>
> I'm afraid none of the methods can be used. I have lots of texts in  
> which I use "#" for the n with umlaut. These will be fed into  
> fields on the fly appearing with the correct letter instead of the  
> "#". So far I have used images for various text sizes which work  
> reasonably well. My problem arose when I wanted to select a line in  
> the text, then having to change the colour of the image as well. So  
> I think I'll stick to the images, just double the sets of images  
> with selection colours as well.  Thanks for all the help from you  
> and Mark.
>
> Signe Marie Sanne
>
> Den 28. feb. 2007 kl. 18:57 skrev Devin Asay:
>>  You *can* do this in Rev. Here's how I did it in OS X (I'm using  
>> rev 2.8 in OSX 10.4.8):
>>
>> 1. Create a field and set its textfont to a unicode font:
>>   set the textFont of fld "unistuff" to "Verdana,unicode"
>>
>> 2. Enable the Unicode Hex Input method in the International system  
>> prefs under the input tab. This will cause the Unicode Hex Input  
>> method to appear in the input menu (the one with the little flags  
>> on the right side of the menubar.)
>>
>> 3. Position the insert cursor in the field, choose Unicode Hex  
>> Input from the input menu, then type :
>>   n (then, holding alt/option key down) 0308
>>
>>   the n with umlaut should appear.
>>
>> Sorry, don't know how to do this via direct input in Windows.  
>> However, the following should work on either OS:
>>
>> 1. Create a UTF-8 encoded text file that includes the desired  
>> character. I used BBedit, making sure I chose a font that  
>> supported unicode (Tahoma or Lucida Grande should work) and that  
>> the document encoding was set to UTF-8, then created the n-umlaut  
>> character just as I described in #3 above.
>>
>> 2. Save the file to disk.
>>
>> 3. Read it in to your rev fld using the uniencode() function.
>>
>> I've created a stack that shows how to do this.
>>
>> go stack url "http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/testUnicode.rev"
>>
>> You may also want to download the utf-8 file from http:// 
>> revolution.byu.edu/unicode/textUni.ut8. This is the file that the  
>> sample stack reads from.


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar  1 10:42:13 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:42:13 +0100
Subject: move file to trash on windows
In-Reply-To: <20070301091550106718.b9c65eea@sonsothunder.com>
References: <OFC0BB732D.9FA8A5A7-ONC1257291.004AEB5E-C1257291.004B1600@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<A3E4426E-0A7E-4C90-A93A-7BA4FBD17C02@major-k.de>
	<20070301091550106718.b9c65eea@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <521A0487-AA10-432B-9CA3-5B2C294EF0C8@major-k.de>

Hi Ken,

> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:05:21 +0100, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> Bonjour mon ami, ca va bien?
>>
>>> Hi Klaus,
>>>
>>> the only possibility you'll find is this:
>>> http://vbnet.mvps.org/index.html?code/shell/recyclebin.htm
>>> (source code for a xcmd provided :)
>>>
>>> There is no vbs or dos way i know of that i could find. But there is
>>> alternative which
>>> is to move files to a tempTrash folder which you can later  
>>> delete... This
>>> removes all
>>> limitations of the recycle bin as it is just another folder...
>>
>> Ah, yes, I saw this (md "C:\Trash" etc...) when seraching the net for
>> a solution.
>> But I'm afraid this will not work for our project.
>
> Would using a custom DLL work for your project? If so, I'm sure  
> someone
> can whip one up...

Sure, but I will have to ask my boss, if he wants to pay for that  
feature ;-)

> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar  1 11:17:19 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 08:17:19 -0800
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
Message-ID: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
>>> delete global myArray[17]
> 
> does not delete the 17th element, unless the key "17" just happens to  
> the 17th element. The documentation is confusing on this point. Also  
> the whole name "Array" for this datatype is confusing, a better name  
> would be "table", since it doesn't behave like an array at all.

It behaves perfectly well as the associative array it is.

True, most programming languages focus on numerically indexed arrays, so 
unless you're familiar with associative arrays Rev's implementation can 
be confusing at first.

But the flexibility of associative arrays makes them well suited for a 
much broader range of tasks than numeric arrays, since the keys aren't 
limited to numbers but can be any string.

It might be helpful if Rev also supported numeric arrays, but in my own 
experience I've not found a true need for them that associative arrays 
couldn't handle.

And having one type of array that does it all means there's only one 
rule to remember:  they key is a string.

If that string happens to be a number, you can use it pretty much like 
you would use a numeric array:

   repeat with i = 1 to 10
      put someData() into MyArray[i]
   end repeat

But being a string, you can also use non-numeric keys just as easily:

   repeat for each item tUser in "Dave,Ken,Richard"
     put SomeData() into MyArray[tUser]
   end repeat

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mlange at widged.com  Thu Mar  1 11:29:22 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:29:22 +0000
Subject: Software Wars! Making Pirates Work for You
Message-ID: <833A859A-EE0E-4753-B50C-1647814F3604@widged.com>

Software Wars! Making Pirates Work for You by Scott Kane
<http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/march/issue21/newsletter4.php>
Very nice article. Thanks Scott.

Marielle



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  1 11:33:15 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:33:15 -0600
Subject: like pass, but without ending the handler
In-Reply-To: <C20BDC56.22F02%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C20BDC56.22F02%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <45E7004B.8080907@hyperactivesw.com>

Dick Kriesel wrote:
> On 2/28/07 3:27 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> 
>> The important part is the "wait <time> with messages", which allows user
>> input to occur simultaneously. That will allow you to put in a "stop"
>> button. But while "wait with messages" does allow the messages to
>> happen, it does not allow them to be acted on. They will pile up in a
>> queue until the loop is exited. Some of them, anyway. I think some were
>> just lost.
> 
> Jacque, could you please clarify this?  What's the difference between
> happening and being acted on?  If Rev loses messages, I'd like to
> understand, so I don't write code that's likely to fail and that cannot be
> debugged.  

I've partly misstated this and you probably don't have anything to worry 
about. The script I wrote was from quite a while ago, so I had 
misremembered what was in there. In the example I gave, though, checking 
for "the mouseclick" does remove all mouse-related messages for that 
click from the queue; you get no mousedown, mousestilldown, mouseup. 
Just the act of checking for a mouseclick clears the message queue of 
that mouseclick's related events.

The difference between a message happening (I should have said, "being 
sent") and being acted on is probably simpler than my awkward wording 
implied. When a user generates an action, the engine sends a series of 
messages about that action (unless a script has set lockmessages to 
true.) If there are handlers in the stack that trap and act on those 
messages, the handlers will be executed ("acted on".)

I just did a test of what I wrote and I was wrong about messages piling 
up in the queue when "wait with messages" is in the loop; they execute 
fine as Chipp found out. I went back and looked at my original script 
and saw that in the repeat loop I did *not* "wait with messages" after 
all. In a loop without the "wait with messages" call, event messages do 
pile up and remain unexecuted. But the "with messages" line prevents 
that from happening and it does act very much like multi-threading.

I'm not sure I've made things any clearer. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  1 11:37:10 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:37:10 -0600
Subject: like pass, but without ending the handler
In-Reply-To: <A6928571-060E-46DF-91BA-40077C2E0E95@widged.com>
References: <C20BDC56.22F02%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<A6928571-060E-46DF-91BA-40077C2E0E95@widged.com>
Message-ID: <45E70136.1050507@hyperactivesw.com>

Marielle Lange wrote:

>> Marielle: I could flush something specific like a commandkeydown?

No. Only the messages listed in the docs can be flushed from the queue. 
  You can flush "all" messages, but other than that, choices are limited 
to the specific ones in the docs.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Thu Mar  1 11:38:39 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:38:39 -0800
Subject: RSS Feeds (Really Simple Syndication)
In-Reply-To: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7027F7C1-4854-4653-ABBA-C7DF1FEA6A30@Cox.Net>

Hi all,

If you don't know how to use "RSS" feeds, you need to read Matt  
Cone's tutorial that appears today at Macinstruct.com - click:

  <http://www.macinstruct.com/node/62> It'll be an eye-opener for you  
it is so "Really Simple" to use.

Joe Wilkins


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Mar  1 12:02:46 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:02:46 +0100
Subject: Umlaut--Success!
In-Reply-To: <F221A2C0-9509-4E45-84FB-FBC336DB679E@byu.edu>
References: <DF9BD56F-DD6A-4ED4-B174-72539BAA0F89@roman.uib.no>
	<D54B0AF3-3387-4901-B5FA-B2059FE0CE68@byu.edu>
	<6504CB0E-F73A-4D2B-852F-9AF4D6AC1644@roman.uib.no>
	<F221A2C0-9509-4E45-84FB-FBC336DB679E@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <DC09FCA8-5EAE-4FC3-9329-58DA0E28F43E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Devin,

This doesn't work for me (Mac OS X 10.4.8, Rev 2.7.8).

The # is replaced by n instead of n-umlaut.

Best,

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 1-mrt-2007, om 16:38 heeft Devin Asay het volgende geschreven:

> Signe,
>
> You can still do it without one of these methods. Let's take your  
> case as an example. Say you have a field "poundfield" that contains  
> your text with # for each n-umlaut. Now create another field, say  
> field "result", and set its textFont to a unicode font as in #1 of  
> my first post, below. Now create a button with the following script:
>
> on mouseUp
>   get fld "poundfld"
>   replace "#" with "n??" in it
>   set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
> end mouseUp
>
> Barring any automatic Mac to PC character substitutions (by Rev or  
> by your mail client,) this should result in the #'s in your  
> poundfield being replaced by the character you want. If it doesn't  
> work as posted here, the three characters in the 'with' part of the  
> replace statement are ASCII-110 ASCII-204 ASCII-136. So you could  
> generate them reliably by doing this:
>
> on mouseUp
>   get fld "poundfld"
>   put numToChar(110) & numToChar(204) & numToChar(136) into tChars
>   replace "#" with tChars in it
>   set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
> end mouseUp
>
> Hope this saves you from a kludge. ;-)
>
> Devin
>
> On Mar 1, 2007, at 1:38 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:



From mlange at widged.com  Thu Mar  1 12:19:50 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:19:50 +0000
Subject: like pass, but without ending the handler
In-Reply-To: <45E70136.1050507@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C20BDC56.22F02%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<A6928571-060E-46DF-91BA-40077C2E0E95@widged.com>
	<45E70136.1050507@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <3EB34ECE-5430-437B-947E-1FF4A63D4E5F@widged.com>

Hi Jacque,

> No. Only the messages listed in the docs can be flushed from the  
> queue.  You can flush "all" messages, but other than that, choices  
> are limited to the specific ones in the docs.

Thanks for making clear that though the events that can be flushed  
bear the same name as familiar messages, flushing events and locking  
messages are two very different things indeed. The text below that I  
pasted within the chat session is in fact from the doc. It makes that  
point clearly indeed.

> Marielle: "Although some of the eventTypes have the same names as  
> built-in Transcript messages, there is a distinction. For example,  
> the mouseDown event type is the operating system's response to the  
> user clicking the mouse button. When the operating system sends  
> this event to the application, Revolution sends a mouseDown message  
> to the target object. The expression flushEvents(mouseDown)  
> prevents the application from responding to any mouseDown events it  
> has received from the operating system, but has not yet  
> processed." [revdocs, flushevents entry]

I discussed flushevents very brielfy with Marcus (van Houdt). The  
recommendation was to stay away from using flushevents unless having  
a very good reason to use it.

I am a psycholinguist, I am a lot more comfortable with regular  
expressions than with lockmessages or flushevents constructs ;-). I  
would be interested in hearing about some recipes. When to consider  
using them? What to be careful about? (like the increase in CPU that  
was mentioned when attempts of multithreading are made).

If I receive enough input on this, I will write a tutorial  
summarizing the contributions on some wiki page of mine. There is  
nothing better than trying to explain to others to try and understand  
something ;-)

Marielle





From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 12:20:15 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:20:15 -0800
Subject: RSS Feeds (Really Simple Syndication)
In-Reply-To: <7027F7C1-4854-4653-ABBA-C7DF1FEA6A30@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C20C4B4F.437B0%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/1/07 8:38 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> If you don't know how to use "RSS" feeds, you need to read Matt
> Cone's tutorial that appears today at Macinstruct.com - click:
> 
>   <http://www.macinstruct.com/node/62> It'll be an eye-opener for you
> it is so "Really Simple" to use.
> 
Just go to RevOnline:Marielle:rssReader.rev
This is a working stack pre-wired for "Wired or OSX" feeds.

Just add your own to the popup and card script.

I am sure Marielle has other locations for this, or even better versions.
Since she did not 'sign' it, no one would know she did this little gem.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Mar  1 12:23:14 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:23:14 +0000
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <C0125F03-5D96-423A-8486-B58D2FF0D51B@looktowindward.com>
References: <EF36831D-E60D-4B88-9E6C-B7DA9724C5F2@looktowindward.com>
	<41FF06F1-FD3E-4C6E-B0C7-145C266EBFBF@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<C0125F03-5D96-423A-8486-B58D2FF0D51B@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <BAFAAA1C-D158-4D8D-B199-DB4C46C0689F@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 1 Mar 2007, at 15:16, Dave wrote:

> Yes, that's what I thought, so:
>
>>> delete global myArray[17]
>
> does not delete the 17th element, unless the key "17" just happens  
> to the 17th element. The documentation is confusing on this point.  
> Also the whole name "Array" for this datatype is confusing, a  
> better name would be "table", since it doesn't behave like an array  
> at all.

I agree this can be confusing. I haven't read the documentation  
recently, but I remember being caught out in the past when the docs  
implied that arrays could have "numerical" keys. I was under the  
impresson that deleting a key from such an array would re-order the  
key numbering, but, of course, it didn't.

I wouldn't like to get into a discussion about whether this is a  
"proper" array. The term "associative array" is pretty widely used,  
and it's an extremely useful tool. It would be nice to have standard  
arrays too, I guess, but if we can only have one type, I'll vote for  
what we have now.

Cheers
Dave


From mlange at widged.com  Thu Mar  1 12:29:21 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 17:29:21 +0000
Subject: RSS Feeds (Really Simple Syndication)
In-Reply-To: <7027F7C1-4854-4653-ABBA-C7DF1FEA6A30@Cox.Net>
References: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
	<7027F7C1-4854-4653-ABBA-C7DF1FEA6A30@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <EEA39E2B-FF5E-4D2F-AACC-84DCB8C8F9D7@widged.com>

Hi Joe,

This page is not linked to from anywhere:
<http://revolution.widged.com/stacks/listing.php>

But it contains a RSS reader written with Revolution. Well, this was  
one of the very first stacks I wrote with revolution. Feel free to  
build upon it. There is also a blog updater one, to simply post some  
blog content to your blogger account. Then in that category too, some  
stack that lets you run a search for google images on your desktop  
(be made aware this was done as a scripting exercise, anybody who  
intends to runs frequent queries on google should purchase an api  
account). Man, this was *very* early coding.

The Awk Script runner is something similar to what Chipp described.  
It is for running awk (rather than Python) scripts over the shell.  
There is no callback mechanism and the code was written at a time I  
was most unexperienced ;-). There is a nice little code editor  
included, though, with a nifty solution for code coloring.

Marielle



On 1 Mar 2007, at 16:38, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> If you don't know how to use "RSS" feeds, you need to read Matt  
> Cone's tutorial that appears today at Macinstruct.com - click:
>
>  <http://www.macinstruct.com/node/62> It'll be an eye-opener for  
> you it is so "Really Simple" to use.
>
> Joe Wilkins
> _______________________________________________
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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Best regards,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education







From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Thu Mar  1 12:47:19 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:47:19 -0800
Subject: RSS Feeds (Really Simple Syndication)
In-Reply-To: <EEA39E2B-FF5E-4D2F-AACC-84DCB8C8F9D7@widged.com>
References: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
	<7027F7C1-4854-4653-ABBA-C7DF1FEA6A30@Cox.Net>
	<EEA39E2B-FF5E-4D2F-AACC-84DCB8C8F9D7@widged.com>
Message-ID: <2C99BF4E-75CF-4FB8-962A-A62E6E750F92@Cox.Net>

Thanks, Marielle and Jim for the added info.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 1, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> This page is not linked to from anywhere:
> <http://revolution.widged.com/stacks/listing.php>
>
> But it contains a RSS reader written with Revolution. Well, this  
> was one of the very first stacks I wrote with revolution. Feel free  
> to build upon it. There is also a blog updater one, to simply post  
> some blog content to your blogger account. Then in that category  
> too, some stack that lets you run a search for google images on  
> your desktop (be made aware this was done as a scripting exercise,  
> anybody who intends to runs frequent queries on google should  
> purchase an api account). Man, this was *very* early coding.
>
> The Awk Script runner is something similar to what Chipp described.  
> It is for running awk (rather than Python) scripts over the shell.  
> There is no callback mechanism and the code was written at a time I  
> was most unexperienced ;-). There is a nice little code editor  
> included, though, with a nifty solution for code coloring.
>
> Marielle
>
>
>
> On 1 Mar 2007, at 16:38, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> If you don't know how to use "RSS" feeds, you need to read Matt  
>> Cone's tutorial that appears today at Macinstruct.com - click:
>>
>>  <http://www.macinstruct.com/node/62> It'll be an eye-opener for  
>> you it is so "Really Simple" to use.
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
>
> Best regards,
> Marielle
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
> Bite-size Applications for Education
>
>
>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar  1 12:49:46 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:49:46 -0800
Subject: like pass, but without ending the handler
Message-ID: <45E7123A.80909@fourthworld.com>

Marielle wrote:
> Thanks for making clear that though the events that can be flushed  
> bear the same name as familiar messages

Why is it that so many messages are excluded from use with flushEvents?

I could really use a returnInField flush in one of my apps...

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar  1 13:05:55 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:05:55 +0000
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <998E54D8-F7C4-4073-9395-1A1608526E52@looktowindward.com>


On 1 Mar 2007, at 16:17, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>>>> delete global myArray[17]
>> does not delete the 17th element, unless the key "17" just happens  
>> to  the 17th element. The documentation is confusing on this  
>> point. Also  the whole name "Array" for this datatype is  
>> confusing, a better name  would be "table", since it doesn't  
>> behave like an array at all.
>
> It behaves perfectly well as the associative array it is.

True, but address the 17th element makes no sense in this case, since  
you are not actually address element 17, but rather the element whose  
key is "17".

> True, most programming languages focus on numerically indexed  
> arrays, so unless you're familiar with associative arrays Rev's  
> implementation can be confusing at first.

I've used them in other languages for ages. In particular SNOBOL4 and  
SPTOBOL, there they are called "tables" and therefore are confusing  
to understand.

When I read the part quoted above in the documentation I thought for  
a moment that myArray[17] was some special usage and wasted times  
checking that it worked the way I thought it worked. There is really  
no point in describing the RunRev type of Array in these terms since  
there is no element 17 or any other numeric index. Whoever wrote the  
documentation didn't understand how Arrays in RunRev work. If they  
had been called something less confusing then the problem  would not  
have arisen and I wouldn't have wasted time!  That's my main point.

All the Best
Dave



From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar  1 13:06:19 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:06:19 +0100
Subject: RSS Feeds (Really Simple Syndication)
In-Reply-To: <EEA39E2B-FF5E-4D2F-AACC-84DCB8C8F9D7@widged.com>
References: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
	<7027F7C1-4854-4653-ABBA-C7DF1FEA6A30@Cox.Net>
	<EEA39E2B-FF5E-4D2F-AACC-84DCB8C8F9D7@widged.com>
Message-ID: <89B793C8-BCBE-4C05-8317-FCBB48B476BE@major-k.de>

Hi Marielle,

> Hi Joe,
>
> This page is not linked to from anywhere:
> <http://revolution.widged.com/stacks/listing.php>

I noticed that some of your pages, like the one above, take very long  
to load.

I saw in the "Activity" window of "Safari" that this URL "http:// 
lexicall.org/_admin/js/overlib_mini.js"
is causing the trouble and finally after the page has loaded I see in  
that window "Host not found" for this JS lib.

Could you take a look please?

> ...
> Best regards,
> Marielle
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
> Bite-size Applications for Education

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no  Thu Mar  1 13:10:14 2007
From: Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:10:14 +0100
Subject: Umlaut--Success!
In-Reply-To: <F221A2C0-9509-4E45-84FB-FBC336DB679E@byu.edu>
References: <DF9BD56F-DD6A-4ED4-B174-72539BAA0F89@roman.uib.no>
	<D54B0AF3-3387-4901-B5FA-B2059FE0CE68@byu.edu>
	<6504CB0E-F73A-4D2B-852F-9AF4D6AC1644@roman.uib.no>
	<F221A2C0-9509-4E45-84FB-FBC336DB679E@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <1172772614.45e71706953dc@webmail.uib.no>


Hello Devin,
Nor did it work on Mac 10.4 and Revolution 2.6. I've spent half a day making
images with n+umlaut for textsize 14 and 16 in ordinary colour and in my
selection colour. Thanks all the same.
Signe Marie

> Signe,
> 
> You can still do it without one of these methods. Let's take your  
> case as an example. Say you have a field "poundfield" that contains  
> your text with # for each n-umlaut. Now create another field, say  
> field "result", and set its textFont to a unicode font as in #1 of my  
> first post, below. Now create a button with the following script:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    get fld "poundfld"
>    replace "#" with "n??" in it
>    set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
> end mouseUp
> 
> Barring any automatic Mac to PC character substitutions (by Rev or by  
> your mail client,) this should result in the #'s in your poundfield  
> being replaced by the character you want. If it doesn't work as  
> posted here, the three characters in the 'with' part of the replace  
> statement are ASCII-110 ASCII-204 ASCII-136. So you could generate  
> them reliably by doing this:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    get fld "poundfld"
>    put numToChar(110) & numToChar(204) & numToChar(136) into tChars
>    replace "#" with tChars in it
>    set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
> end mouseUp
> 
> Hope this saves you from a kludge. ;-)
> 
> Devin
> 
> On Mar 1, 2007, at 1:38 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:
> 
> > Hello Devin,
> >
> > I'm afraid none of the methods can be used. I have lots of texts in  
> > which I use "#" for the n with umlaut. These will be fed into  
> > fields on the fly appearing with the correct letter instead of the  
> > "#". So far I have used images for various text sizes which work  
> > reasonably well. My problem arose when I wanted to select a line in  
> > the text, then having to change the colour of the image as well. So  
> > I think I'll stick to the images, just double the sets of images  
> > with selection colours as well.  Thanks for all the help from you  
> > and Mark.
> >
> > Signe Marie Sanne
> >
> > Den 28. feb. 2007 kl. 18:57 skrev Devin Asay:
> >>  You *can* do this in Rev. Here's how I did it in OS X (I'm using  
> >> rev 2.8 in OSX 10.4.8):
> >>
> >> 1. Create a field and set its textfont to a unicode font:
> >>   set the textFont of fld "unistuff" to "Verdana,unicode"
> >>
> >> 2. Enable the Unicode Hex Input method in the International system  
> >> prefs under the input tab. This will cause the Unicode Hex Input  
> >> method to appear in the input menu (the one with the little flags  
> >> on the right side of the menubar.)
> >>
> >> 3. Position the insert cursor in the field, choose Unicode Hex  
> >> Input from the input menu, then type :
> >>   n (then, holding alt/option key down) 0308
> >>
> >>   the n with umlaut should appear.
> >>
> >> Sorry, don't know how to do this via direct input in Windows.  
> >> However, the following should work on either OS:
> >>
> >> 1. Create a UTF-8 encoded text file that includes the desired  
> >> character. I used BBedit, making sure I chose a font that  
> >> supported unicode (Tahoma or Lucida Grande should work) and that  
> >> the document encoding was set to UTF-8, then created the n-umlaut  
> >> character just as I described in #3 above.
> >>
> >> 2. Save the file to disk.
> >>
> >> 3. Read it in to your rev fld using the uniencode() function.
> >>
> >> I've created a stack that shows how to do this.
> >>
> >> go stack url "http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/testUnicode.rev"
> >>
> >> You may also want to download the utf-8 file from http:// 
> >> revolution.byu.edu/unicode/textUni.ut8. This is the file that the  
> >> sample stack reads from.
> 
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  1 13:11:08 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:11:08 -0600
Subject: like pass, but without ending the handler
In-Reply-To: <45E7123A.80909@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E7123A.80909@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <45E7173C.3060002@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Marielle wrote:
>> Thanks for making clear that though the events that can be flushed  
>> bear the same name as familiar messages
> 
> Why is it that so many messages are excluded from use with flushEvents?
> 
> I could really use a returnInField flush in one of my apps...
> 

I guess Scott Raney didn't think we needed any others. Sounds like a 
feature request to me.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar  1 13:12:57 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:12:57 +0000
Subject: Externals Threading Question
In-Reply-To: <45E7123A.80909@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E7123A.80909@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1FC0D0A3-EED5-4911-A93D-A4D04F642A72@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I have an external that processes a movie file. When I call it from  
the RunRev Stack, it hogs the processor and they rest of RunRev  
doesn't get any time. I would like to be able to have RunRev carry on  
processing while External runs? I've only tried it running on the IDE  
so far, but assume it will be the same for a Standalone App.

I have tried putting the call to the External in a separate Command  
Handler and using it like so:

set the cpBusyFlag of me to true
send "ProcessMovie" to me in .1 seconds
repeat while the cpBusyFlag of me = true
wait 1 second with messages
end repeat

But this also locks out the RunRev Stack. Is there any way to give  
time RunRev while the External is running???

Thanks in Advance
All the Best
Dave



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  1 13:20:38 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:20:38 -0600
Subject: like pass, but without ending the handler
In-Reply-To: <3EB34ECE-5430-437B-947E-1FF4A63D4E5F@widged.com>
References: <C20BDC56.22F02%dick.kriesel@mail.com>	<A6928571-060E-46DF-91BA-40077C2E0E95@widged.com>	<45E70136.1050507@hyperactivesw.com>
	<3EB34ECE-5430-437B-947E-1FF4A63D4E5F@widged.com>
Message-ID: <45E71976.2020807@hyperactivesw.com>

Marielle Lange wrote:

> I discussed flushevents very brielfy with Marcus (van Houdt). The 
> recommendation was to stay away from using flushevents unless having a 
> very good reason to use it.
> 
> I am a psycholinguist, I am a lot more comfortable with regular 
> expressions than with lockmessages or flushevents constructs ;-). I 
> would be interested in hearing about some recipes. When to consider 
> using them? What to be careful about? (like the increase in CPU that was 
> mentioned when attempts of multithreading are made).

The reason to avoid them is because indiscriminate use can disrupt the 
message queue, as you might remove messages that your scripts expect to 
recieve.

I've found that flushEvents is hardly ever needed. It is usually 
sufficient to put a blocking handler in place so that the message stops 
as soon as it is sent. The most common usage for flushEvents is in 
software intended for young children or computer novices, where repeated 
mouse clicking is common. I have used flushEvents in software for 
special needs children who tend to click repeatedly on a button. These 
repeated clicks will accumulate and the button script will be executed 
many times. To prevent that, I cleared the queue of mouse events so that 
only the first click was executed.

Note that there is an old HyperCard trick that works in a similar way if 
all you need to clear are mouse messages:

   wait while the mouseclick


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar  1 13:33:02 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:33:02 -0800
Subject: like pass, but without ending the handler
Message-ID: <45E71C5E.80303@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Why is it that so many messages are excluded from use with flushEvents?
>> I could really use a returnInField flush in one of my apps... 
> 
> I guess Scott Raney didn't think we needed any others. Sounds like a 
> feature request to me.

Done:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/post_bug.cgi>


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar  1 13:40:06 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 10:40:06 -0800
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
Message-ID: <45E71E06.1070905@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:

> On 1 Mar 2007, at 16:17, Richard Gaskin wrote: 
>> Dave wrote:
>>>>> delete global myArray[17]
>>> does not delete the 17th element, unless the key "17" just happens  
>>> to  the 17th element. The documentation is confusing on this  
>>> point. Also  the whole name "Array" for this datatype is  
>>> confusing, a better name  would be "table", since it doesn't  
>>> behave like an array at all.
>>
>> It behaves perfectly well as the associative array it is.
> 
> True, but address the 17th element makes no sense in this case, since  
> you are not actually address element 17, but rather the element whose  
> key is "17".

But the syntax is the same for both associative and numeric arrays:

   get MyArray[17]
   put "SomeData" into MyArray[17]

You can also access them with variables for the key:

   put 10+7 into tMyKey
   get MyArray[tMyKey]

So in most respects associative arrays provide the benefits of numeric 
arrays, but with the additional benefit of not restricting the index 
type to integers only.

If you need to address them in index order you can get that benefit of 
numeric arrays too by just sorting the keys:

   put the keys of MyArray into tKeys
   sort lines of tKeys
   repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
      get MyArray[tKey]
   end repeat

Sure, it's two extra lines for that specific usage, but for all the 
other flexibility of associative arrays I don't mind.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From mlange at widged.com  Thu Mar  1 13:53:05 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:53:05 +0000
Subject: RSS Feeds (Really Simple Syndication)
In-Reply-To: <89B793C8-BCBE-4C05-8317-FCBB48B476BE@major-k.de>
References: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
	<7027F7C1-4854-4653-ABBA-C7DF1FEA6A30@Cox.Net>
	<EEA39E2B-FF5E-4D2F-AACC-84DCB8C8F9D7@widged.com>
	<89B793C8-BCBE-4C05-8317-FCBB48B476BE@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <859C8DBD-0AE7-4E87-8EB0-ED1A1350035A@widged.com>

Hi Klaus,

Thanks very much for this. Fixed.

Note that any delay about the hour + 1 minute is due to cron jobs.  
And, yes, the website is a bit too slow to my taste. I should move  
onto a dreamhost account, which offers better bandwidth than my  
current provider, but well, short of money for now.

Marielle

On 1 Mar 2007, at 18:06, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Marielle,
>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> This page is not linked to from anywhere:
>> <http://revolution.widged.com/stacks/listing.php>
>
> I noticed that some of your pages, like the one above, take very  
> long to load.
>
> I saw in the "Activity" window of "Safari" that this URL "http:// 
> lexicall.org/_admin/js/overlib_mini.js"
> is causing the trouble and finally after the page has loaded I see  
> in that window "Host not found" for this JS lib.
>
> Could you take a look please?
>




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  1 14:02:47 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:02:47 -0600
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <998E54D8-F7C4-4073-9395-1A1608526E52@looktowindward.com>
References: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
	<998E54D8-F7C4-4073-9395-1A1608526E52@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <45E72357.3040809@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:

> When I read the part quoted above in the documentation I thought for a 
> moment that myArray[17] was some special usage and wasted times checking 
> that it worked the way I thought it worked. There is really no point in 
> describing the RunRev type of Array in these terms since there is no 
> element 17 or any other numeric index.

Under "delete variable", the docs say: "The arrayIndex is a key of an 
array variable. If an arrayIndex is specified instead of a variable 
name, the delete variable command removes that element of the array, 
without deleting the rest of the elements in the array."

It seems pretty clear that the delete command will remove an array 
element with the key you specify. That's how associative arrays work.


> Whoever wrote the documentation 
> didn't understand how Arrays in RunRev work. 

That would be hard to believe. Jeanne DeVoto, who wrote most of the 
documentation, is one of the foremost documentation experts on xtalk 
scripting, starting with HyperCard, where she was one of the authors of 
the definitive reference book for that program. She has been working 
with the language for 20 years, and I'm certain she understands how 
arrays work in Revolution. But if you haven't worked much with 
associative arrays, I can see how it could be confusing.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar  1 14:19:26 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:19:26 -0700
Subject: Umlaut--Success!
In-Reply-To: <DC09FCA8-5EAE-4FC3-9329-58DA0E28F43E@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <DF9BD56F-DD6A-4ED4-B174-72539BAA0F89@roman.uib.no>
	<D54B0AF3-3387-4901-B5FA-B2059FE0CE68@byu.edu>
	<6504CB0E-F73A-4D2B-852F-9AF4D6AC1644@roman.uib.no>
	<F221A2C0-9509-4E45-84FB-FBC336DB679E@byu.edu>
	<DC09FCA8-5EAE-4FC3-9329-58DA0E28F43E@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <95777BD7-A6BC-4AE1-A589-611BA2712DE6@byu.edu>


On Mar 1, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Devin,
>
> This doesn't work for me (Mac OS X 10.4.8, Rev 2.7.8).
>
> The # is replaced by n instead of n-umlaut.

Right, after I sent this message, I discovered that the first # in  
the field does not get replaced by the n-umlaut, only an n. It works  
for every other # after the first one. (Go figure!) Here's a  
workaround that worked for me:

on mouseUp
   get "#"&fld "poundfld"
   put numToChar(110) & numToChar(204) & numToChar(136) into tChars
   replace "#" with tChars in it
   set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
   delete char 1 to 2 of fld "result"
end mouseUp

Does this work for you?

Thanks for keeping me honest!

Devin

>
>> Signe,
>>
>> You can still do it without one of these methods. Let's take your  
>> case as an example. Say you have a field "poundfield" that  
>> contains your text with # for each n-umlaut. Now create another  
>> field, say field "result", and set its textFont to a unicode font  
>> as in #1 of my first post, below. Now create a button with the  
>> following script:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   get fld "poundfld"
>>   replace "#" with "n??" in it
>>   set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> Barring any automatic Mac to PC character substitutions (by Rev or  
>> by your mail client,) this should result in the #'s in your  
>> poundfield being replaced by the character you want. If it doesn't  
>> work as posted here, the three characters in the 'with' part of  
>> the replace statement are ASCII-110 ASCII-204 ASCII-136. So you  
>> could generate them reliably by doing this:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   get fld "poundfld"
>>   put numToChar(110) & numToChar(204) & numToChar(136) into tChars
>>   replace "#" with tChars in it
>>   set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> Hope this saves you from a kludge. ;-)
>>
>> Devin
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2007, at 1:38 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar  1 15:00:11 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:00:11 -0600
Subject: Apathy Rules ok? was Copy Paste update
In-Reply-To: <1BC9C79C-AA84-4D94-9322-554FE065B7B5@looktowindward.com>
References: <45E46450.5050305@howsoft.com>
	<7aa52a210702271036v146b9e74g361b70bc28734db0@mail.gmail.com>
	<1BC9C79C-AA84-4D94-9322-554FE065B7B5@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703011200x7fbb1145g4a16f080365b3be@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, one of the best things about Rev, which I don't think you
can do with any other program I use, is modify it's code. That really
helps.

Upon further inspection, there are some special cases when even my
frontscript is not working. I'll update it when I get a moment to see
if I can improve it. Kevin has mentioned there's possibly an engine
modification which can also help.

One thing to keep in mind, there are few, very few, RAD tools which
use themselves to build their own IDE, and do it in a satisfactory
way. HyperCard never did, and SuperCard was only partially successful.
To my knowledge, RealBasic is having some problems implementing their
new 'selfmade' IDE as well. IOW, it's not an easy task.

On one hand, you have the robust yet ultra-simple and feature-sparse
MetaCard, a product even by it's own creator's admission was not up to
par with typical IDE's. Along came Revolution with the ambitions of
creating a much more feature-rich and up-to-date IDE. I expect they're
still trying their best to deliver on the promise.


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 15:00:16 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:00:16 -0800
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <45E71E06.1070905@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C20C70D0.437E6%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I agree with the versatility of associative arrays, but the conventional
array uses different functions, like in Flash, so the following may help a
new user who has experience in other programming languages.

(Forget for today abut 0-based versus 1-based array addressing)

Flash
Deleting imgArr[17] in an array of 29 elements would mean that there would
still be a 17th element, just a different content.  There would now be 28
elements.

Rev
In Rev, unless you work with a system for accessing associative arrays to
allow 'positional' references, the imgArr[17] notation won't get you where
you think.

However, in Rev, we use a natural language equivalent to the Flash array
style by referring to card 3 of this stack, line 23 of field 1 of card 9 of
this stack.  Think about what happens if you...

delete card 6 of this stack
set the name of card 6 of this stack to "User Notes"
delete card "User Notes" of this stack
put empty into line 10 of field "17"
--oops should not name fields by the numbering system, eh?  Which is it..
the 17th field or field named "17".  This is an example of positional vs
associative reference.

Most programs that use array access are like the Rev card-field-button
numbering, (1 to the number of buttons = 1 to the number of elements).
Delete button 17 on a card with 29 buttons, there are 28 buttons, and there
is a 17th button but it has a different id and probably a different name.

In Flash, using functions like pop, push, split, join to manipulate arrays
work on the basis of the 'order' in the array, rather than the 'key'.
Length(imgArr) is an important number for a programmer since it is an error
to refer to an element greater than the length of the array.  Just like
button 99 when there isn't one.

This leads to "associative and explicit confusion".  Flash has no
associative arrays, Rev has no 'positional' arrays.  You need to build your
loops and error checks differently.  Matrices, memory space in RAM and many
other operations are based on positional arrays.

I sure hope this helps someone...  It took me awhile to be able to 'get'
associative arrays.  To be fair about the documentation, it is difficult for
an experienced array user to suspend his previous concepts to absorb the
different way of thinking.  The documentation is correct, but the users
frame of reference is askew.  Kinda like the first-time TV viewer who
wonders how that person got inside such a small box.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar  1 15:21:07 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:21:07 -0600
Subject: move file to trash on windows
In-Reply-To: <521A0487-AA10-432B-9CA3-5B2C294EF0C8@major-k.de>
References: <OFC0BB732D.9FA8A5A7-ONC1257291.004AEB5E-C1257291.004B1600@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<A3E4426E-0A7E-4C90-A93A-7BA4FBD17C02@major-k.de>
	<20070301091550106718.b9c65eea@sonsothunder.com>
	<521A0487-AA10-432B-9CA3-5B2C294EF0C8@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <20070301142107559635.d921d6db@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:42:13 +0100, Klaus Major wrote:

>>> Ah, yes, I saw this (md "C:\Trash" etc...) when seraching the net for
>>> a solution.
>>> But I'm afraid this will not work for our project.
>> 
>> Would using a custom DLL work for your project? If so, I'm sure someone
>> can whip one up...
> 
> Sure, but I will have to ask my boss, if he wants to pay for that 
> feature ;-)

The reason I ask is that you mentioned you didn't want a VBS solution, 
but the easiest way to attach a "normal" (i.e. non-Rev) DLL to 
Revolution is through VBS... if you can use VBS for *this* purpose, it 
might be possible to find a public domain DLL that will do it that can 
be attached via VBS.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar  1 15:31:07 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:31:07 -0600
Subject: RSS Feeds (Really Simple Syndication)
In-Reply-To: <7027F7C1-4854-4653-ABBA-C7DF1FEA6A30@Cox.Net>
References: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
	<7027F7C1-4854-4653-ABBA-C7DF1FEA6A30@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 08:38:39 -0800, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> If you don't know how to use "RSS" feeds, you need to read Matt 
> Cone's tutorial that appears today at Macinstruct.com - click:
> 
>  <http://www.macinstruct.com/node/62> It'll be an eye-opener for you 
> it is so "Really Simple" to use.

Also if you are interested in parsing RSS feeds more easily, you could 
look into the XML Library with RSS Plugin:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm
  http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib_rssplugin.htm


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 16:01:48 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 21:01:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Key Speaker
Message-ID: <20070301210148.26497.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Having been fairly rude last month about:

http://alphaomega.software.free.fr/keystrokespronouncer/Keystrokes%20Pronouncer.html

I have now "finished" my take on this one:

KEY SPEAKER (new version) is now 'Up' at RevOnline.

Go on, I dare you, download it and play with it!

HOWEVER . . . cannot get rawKeyDown codes for F14 and
F15 (which seems odd considering I can get one for
F16) - this is a pain.

The other thing that is seriously silly about KEY
SPEAKER is that it just spits out English names for
Latin letters for the associated keys - when, for
instance, I change over to a Cyrillic keyboard
mapping, it continues to burble at me with the English
names.

Would also like to be able to do something about the
volume control
buttons and the media eject.

All ideas gratefully received.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

____________________________________________________________

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____________________________________________________________


		
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Mar  1 16:14:31 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 23:14:31 +0200 (FLE Standard Time)
Subject: RSS Feeds (Really Simple Syndication)
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>

does anybody know what fraction of web surfers care to subscribe to rss
feeds ? 
 
Viktoras


From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 16:57:09 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:57:09 -0700
Subject: RSS Feeds (Really Simple Syndication)
In-Reply-To: <45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>

Hello.


Considering that 67.2% of all statistics are made up on the spot,  
about 2% of your visitors will use your feed. =)

Seriously, the number of people subscribing to your feed will vary  
directly with who your audience is. Slashdot or Engadget are going to  
have a lot more subscribers than a site that provides content to the  
more technology-illiterate. RSS, however simple, is not something  
that a typical email/browser/word-processor user is going to know  
about, let alone use. It's like asking how many people subscribe to a  
newspaper? Responsible adults that want to be informed are your  
audience, not younger children or teenagers. If you want to get a  
message out to one of these audiences, then you need to change your  
delivery medium.

That being said, it would be wise to make your RSS feeds more  
intuitive than "RSS 2.0" or "ATOM 0.3" by labeling them "Subscribe to  
our news" or "Stay up to date on our latest products" and then, for  
the more technically savvy, labeling them with the feed type.

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center

On Mar 1, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Viktoras Didziulis wrote:

> does anybody know what fraction of web surfers care to subscribe to  
> rss
> feeds ?
>
> Viktoras
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Thu Mar  1 17:07:00 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 14:07:00 -0800
Subject: RSS Feeds (Really Simple Syndication)
In-Reply-To: <BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>

Brent,

Thank you for your observations. They certainly appear to be valid.  
I'm copying Matt with your suggestions.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 1, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Brent Anderson wrote:

> Hello.
>
>
> Considering that 67.2% of all statistics are made up on the spot,  
> about 2% of your visitors will use your feed. =)
>
> Seriously, the number of people subscribing to your feed will vary  
> directly with who your audience is. Slashdot or Engadget are going  
> to have a lot more subscribers than a site that provides content to  
> the more technology-illiterate. RSS, however simple, is not  
> something that a typical email/browser/word-processor user is going  
> to know about, let alone use. It's like asking how many people  
> subscribe to a newspaper? Responsible adults that want to be  
> informed are your audience, not younger children or teenagers. If  
> you want to get a message out to one of these audiences, then you  
> need to change your delivery medium.
>
> That being said, it would be wise to make your RSS feeds more  
> intuitive than "RSS 2.0" or "ATOM 0.3" by labeling them "Subscribe  
> to our news" or "Stay up to date on our latest products" and then,  
> for the more technically savvy, labeling them with the feed type.
>
> Thanks,
> Brent Anderson
> Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center
>
> On Mar 1, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Viktoras Didziulis wrote:
>
>> does anybody know what fraction of web surfers care to subscribe  
>> to rss
>> feeds ?
>>
>> Viktoras
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From wow at together.net  Thu Mar  1 18:13:42 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:13:42 -0700
Subject: Checking wireless connection
In-Reply-To: <E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>

I'm looking for suggestions on how best to check a wireless  
connection and, when it's momentarily down, re-establish the  
connection. Our entire system is dependent on a solid wireless  
connection, but even with a quality router and booster antennas,  
we're still finding the connection drops out briefly throughout a day.

Right now, our (client based) Rev app tries to transfer a very small  
file from the server to the client machine before initiating any  
download or upload actions. If the transfer fails (it's a simple....  
put url xxx into xxx ... function), it waits for a few seconds, then  
tries again. If that second attempt fails, it alerts the user that a  
problem exists.

Questions:

1) how many times should the download attempt be made before giving up?
2) how long should the interval be in between attempts?
3) does the socketTimeoutInterval function apply to "put url"  
requests or does the "put" request just try briefly and then return  
an error if unsuccessful?
4) does it make sense to use libURLresetALL in this process or is  
that just looking for trouble?

Any suggestions are most appreciated.

Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies




From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 00:24:06 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:24:06 +0800
Subject: Patch for Answer Dialog?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210702261512g485404f4uda5bba8d283f15df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210702261512g485404f4uda5bba8d283f15df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703012124n1417f96anbb41fc2707890027@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/27/07, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone have a patch for the answer dialog? It's cutting off characters
> which should be displayed.


Chipp would you kindly have a look at a stack I downloaded to RevOnline -
User Name Lan.K.C, stack name 'Dialog'. It shows some faulty dialog displays
I've experienced only under 2.8. Will your patch not only correct the
disappearing characters, but also the 'squeezed-too-tight' situation as
well, which I'm see far more often than the fore mentioned problem.

Thanks


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar  2 01:48:02 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 22:48:02 -0800
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <BAFAAA1C-D158-4D8D-B199-DB4C46C0689F@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <EF36831D-E60D-4B88-9E6C-B7DA9724C5F2@looktowindward.com>
	<41FF06F1-FD3E-4C6E-B0C7-145C266EBFBF@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<C0125F03-5D96-423A-8486-B58D2FF0D51B@looktowindward.com>
	<BAFAAA1C-D158-4D8D-B199-DB4C46C0689F@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <178274668442.20070301224802@ahsoftware.net>

Dave-

Thursday, March 1, 2007, 9:23:14 AM, you wrote:

> I agree this can be confusing. I haven't read the documentation
> recently, but I remember being caught out in the past when the docs
> implied that arrays could have "numerical" keys. I was under the  
> impresson that deleting a key from such an array would re-order the
> key numbering, but, of course, it didn't.

> I wouldn't like to get into a discussion about whether this is a  
> "proper" array. The term "associative array" is pretty widely used,
> and it's an extremely useful tool. It would be nice to have standard
> arrays too, I guess, but if we can only have one type, I'll vote for
> what we have now.

If I'm remembering this stuff correctly, the terms Hashtable and
Associative Array refer to the same thing. Which one you use depends
on how you were brought up. I suppose it may be simpler just to think
of them as unordered collections of key/value pairs...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From hibis.jmr1 at free.fr  Fri Mar  2 02:55:01 2007
From: hibis.jmr1 at free.fr (hibis.jmr1)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:55:01 +0100
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <52D398C7-C893-11DB-BF0C-0003938374A8@free.fr>

Hello everyone,

I would like to insert in my application a little music generated by 
code and not by recording it previously.

I remember, when using hyperCard (it was the good time), this was very 
simple, fo instance :
play "boing" "f#5w c#3e a#4w"

is there a way to do something like that with revolution (I have not 
found in the documentation)

Any suggestion to go this way ?

Thanks
Jean-Marc



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Mar  2 03:21:35 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:21:35 +0000
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <178274668442.20070301224802@ahsoftware.net>
References: <EF36831D-E60D-4B88-9E6C-B7DA9724C5F2@looktowindward.com>
	<41FF06F1-FD3E-4C6E-B0C7-145C266EBFBF@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<C0125F03-5D96-423A-8486-B58D2FF0D51B@looktowindward.com>
	<BAFAAA1C-D158-4D8D-B199-DB4C46C0689F@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<178274668442.20070301224802@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <DDCF59B3-8E08-44EC-A1A9-718F7C70420D@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 2 Mar 2007, at 06:48, Mark Wieder wrote:
> If I'm remembering this stuff correctly, the terms Hashtable and
> Associative Array refer to the same thing. Which one you use depends
> on how you were brought up. I suppose it may be simpler just to think
> of them as unordered collections of key/value pairs...

Interestingly (perhaps!!) is that ActionScript 3 (don't know about  
earlier versions) treats associative arrays and objects as equivalent  
things. From their docs: "Associative arrays are unordered  
collections of key and value pairs. " You don't write their docs, do  
you? :-) They can be instantiated by declaring either an array or an  
object.

It also allows the same syntax to refer to elements in standard  
(indexed?) arrays and objects (associative arrays). So myArray[4] is  
an index reference for an array, and myObject[someValue] can be used  
as a key reference for an object / associative array. So I guess  
someone coming from that environment might be understandably confused  
by Rev's behaviour.

Cheers
Dave


From Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no  Fri Mar  2 03:33:19 2007
From: Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:33:19 +0100
Subject: Umlaut--Success!
In-Reply-To: <95777BD7-A6BC-4AE1-A589-611BA2712DE6@byu.edu>
References: <DF9BD56F-DD6A-4ED4-B174-72539BAA0F89@roman.uib.no>
	<D54B0AF3-3387-4901-B5FA-B2059FE0CE68@byu.edu>
	<6504CB0E-F73A-4D2B-852F-9AF4D6AC1644@roman.uib.no>
	<F221A2C0-9509-4E45-84FB-FBC336DB679E@byu.edu>
	<DC09FCA8-5EAE-4FC3-9329-58DA0E28F43E@economy-x-talk.com>
	<95777BD7-A6BC-4AE1-A589-611BA2712DE6@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <1172824399.45e7e14f5f0f2@webmail.uib.no>

Good morning Devin
I have still got no success (on Mac10.4.8 and Rev 2.6)
The fld "result" is set to "verdana,unicode", but only n appears. Could it be
that I need Rev 2.8?

However, I have not tried your suggested settings with "Enable the Unicode Hex
Input method in the International system prefs under the input tab. This will
cause the Unicode Hex Input method to appear in the input menu (the one with the
little flags on the right side of the menubar.) First because my system is in
Norwegian and I did not find the input menu, and secondly because my potential
users cannot be bothered by doing this. (Or am I completely wrong? Is this
setting in Revolution somewhere?)

Signe Marie

Quoting Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu>:

> 
> On Mar 1, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
> 
> > Hi Devin,
> >
> > This doesn't work for me (Mac OS X 10.4.8, Rev 2.7.8).
> >
> > The # is replaced by n instead of n-umlaut.
> 
> Right, after I sent this message, I discovered that the first # in  
> the field does not get replaced by the n-umlaut, only an n. It works  
> for every other # after the first one. (Go figure!) Here's a  
> workaround that worked for me:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    get "#"&fld "poundfld"
>    put numToChar(110) & numToChar(204) & numToChar(136) into tChars
>    replace "#" with tChars in it
>    set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
>    delete char 1 to 2 of fld "result"
> end mouseUp
> 
> Does this work for you?
> 
> Thanks for keeping me honest!
> 
> Devin
> 
> >
> >> Signe,
> >>
> >> You can still do it without one of these methods. Let's take your  
> >> case as an example. Say you have a field "poundfield" that  
> >> contains your text with # for each n-umlaut. Now create another  
> >> field, say field "result", and set its textFont to a unicode font  
> >> as in #1 of my first post, below. Now create a button with the  
> >> following script:
> >>
> >> on mouseUp
> >>   get fld "poundfld"
> >>   replace "#" with "n??" in it
> >>   set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
> >> end mouseUp
> >>
> >> Barring any automatic Mac to PC character substitutions (by Rev or  
> >> by your mail client,) this should result in the #'s in your  
> >> poundfield being replaced by the character you want. If it doesn't  
> >> work as posted here, the three characters in the 'with' part of  
> >> the replace statement are ASCII-110 ASCII-204 ASCII-136. So you  
> >> could generate them reliably by doing this:
> >>
> >> on mouseUp
> >>   get fld "poundfld"
> >>   put numToChar(110) & numToChar(204) & numToChar(136) into tChars
> >>   replace "#" with tChars in it
> >>   set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
> >> end mouseUp
> >>
> >> Hope this saves you from a kludge. ;-)
> >>
> >> Devin
> >>
> >> On Mar 1, 2007, at 1:38 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
> 
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From runrev at animabit.de  Fri Mar  2 03:50:15 2007
From: runrev at animabit.de (runrev at animabit.de)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:50:15 +0000
Subject: Re-2: Umlaut -  set the unicodetext of field 1 to numtochar(68) &
 numtochar(1)
Message-ID: <DIIE.000001F900004B65@animabit.de>

Hello 
to the multilingual crowd hoping for runrev becoming 100 % unicode compliant. Yesterday I downloaded the new java netbeans IDE of sun and enjoyed it to be 100% unicode - the same VB.Net Express Edition.... I hope to enjoy this in runrev too in the near future.
We can not type the letter you wish directly in a runrev field, but we can use a wrapper (I hope this might help in the case you need it):
set the unicodetext of field 1 to numtochar(68) & numtochar(1)
This puts the unicode letter into the field.
use the following script to replace ?n to n with akut
put the unicodetext of field 1 into zeile
-- for getting the values:
--put chartonum(char 1 of the unicodetext of field 1) 
--put chartonum(char 1 of the unicodetext of field 1) 
-- these are the two byte of letter 1 of the field 1....
replace (numtochar(180) & numtochar(0) & numtochar(110) & numtochar(0)) with numtochar(68) & numtochar(1) in zeile
set the unicodetext of field 1 to zeile
This puts n into field 1 (just tested)
1. runrev seems not to be able to display letters and unicode diacritics (=2byte letter and 2 byte combining diacritical letter) together but can handle combined letters (2bytes) in the unicode standard with unicode fonts. I opened charmap.exe on win, searched for n (U-0144: Kleiner lateinischer Buchstabe N mit Akut) and copied it. Now it is important: If I copy this direct into runrev it fails. But if I copy it in notepad and from notepad into a field in runrev it is correct. I do not know why. The same is the case if I copy arabic, syriac etc. text from a webpage: After copiing it into notepad I can copy anything into a runrev field but not directly. Why?
2. You can create any letter in the unicode standard if you know the low byte and the high byte it exists of: 
n with akut for example is in the unicodestandard u-0144 hex
open your calc.exe in extended view, set to hex and put 44, change to decimal view and you will find 68, do the same with 01 which of course will be 01.
44 hex = 68 dezimal
01 hex = 01 dezimal
this means:
set the unicodetext of field 1 to numtochar(68) & numtochar(1)
creates this letter.
Hebrew Aleph is u-05d0
05 hex = 05 dec
c0 hex = 208 dec
set the unicodetext of field 1 to numtochar(208) & numtochar(5)& numtochar(209) & numtochar(5)
creates aleph and beth (but wrongly displays beth aleph according to the hebrew rtl direction).


Good luck

Regards, Franz B?hmisch

boehmisch at animabit.de
http://www.animabit.de
GF Animabit Multimedia Software GmbH
Am Sonnenhang 22
D-94136 Thyrnau
Tel +49 (0)8501-8538
Fax +49 (0)8501-8537


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 04:26:37 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:26:37 +0800
Subject: Well done by someone....!
In-Reply-To: <2887568016.20070227184942@ahsoftware.net>
References: <200702271403.59788.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<2887568016.20070227184942@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703020126p427045cdnbb165736865d065d@mail.gmail.com>

Pity the only prices mentioned are ?33 and ?666, although I guess if
someone's interested they'll quickly discover that Studio is ?266.


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Mar  2 05:10:58 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:10:58 +0100
Subject: move file to trash on windows
In-Reply-To: <20070301142107559635.d921d6db@sonsothunder.com>
References: <OFC0BB732D.9FA8A5A7-ONC1257291.004AEB5E-C1257291.004B1600@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<A3E4426E-0A7E-4C90-A93A-7BA4FBD17C02@major-k.de>
	<20070301091550106718.b9c65eea@sonsothunder.com>
	<521A0487-AA10-432B-9CA3-5B2C294EF0C8@major-k.de>
	<20070301142107559635.d921d6db@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <9EEDE3F2-3E5F-4861-87EE-8DB392E83A02@major-k.de>

Hi Ken,

> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:42:13 +0100, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>>>> Ah, yes, I saw this (md "C:\Trash" etc...) when seraching the  
>>>> net for
>>>> a solution. But I'm afraid this will not work for our project.
>>> Would using a custom DLL work for your project? If so, I'm sure  
>>> someone
>>> can whip one up...
>> Sure, but I will have to ask my boss, if he wants to pay for that  
>> feature ;-)
> The reason I ask is that you mentioned you didn't want a VBS solution,

Yep, I really dont want some anti-virus apps go berserk when I try to  
execute
a VBS script on the customers computer, this is a no-go :-)

> but the easiest way to attach a "normal" (i.e. non-Rev) DLL to
> Revolution is through VBS... if you can use VBS for *this* purpose, it
> might be possible to find a public domain DLL that will do it that can
> be attached via VBS.

What do you mean exactly?

Programmed in VBS and then compiled into a DLL?
Or to attach a ready DLL via a VBS? No way, see above ;-)

> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

Regard

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 05:34:41 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:34:41 +0800
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <998E54D8-F7C4-4073-9395-1A1608526E52@looktowindward.com>
References: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
	<998E54D8-F7C4-4073-9395-1A1608526E52@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703020234p1a3bf334m23b69056b692f7d9@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/2/07, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:

Whoever wrote the
> documentation didn't understand how Arrays in RunRev work. If they
> had been called something less confusing then the problem  would not
> have arisen and I wouldn't have wasted time!


Having neither programmed in SNOBOL4 of SPTOBOL I have no clue as to what
pitfalls await those who have when they come across to Rev, but you may wish
to take up the invitation on the very first page of the Rev Docs:

Please send all comments and feedback to:
userguide at runrev.com
All comments will be read and you will receive a reply.

>From my perspective I don't believe that changing the name from Array to
Table would solve much if the example still uses the number 17. If the
example was:

delete global myTable[seventeen] --removes the element whose key is
'seventeen' from the array

I believe would not have wasted your time, but then again I haven't come to
Rev with your background so I'll leave it up to you as to what send to
userguide at runrev.com to help others not fall into the same trap you have.


From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Fri Mar  2 06:38:25 2007
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 06:38:25 EST
Subject: Playing Boings (was: No subject)
Message-ID: <d5f.376f935.331966b1@aol.com>

Hi Jean-Marc

Check out beepPitch, beepDuration and beepLoudness. Not  exactly industrial 
strength MIDI, but then HC.boing wasn't either!

/H

>I would like to insert in my application a little music  generated by 
>code and not by recording it previously.
>
>I  remember, when using hyperCard (it was the good time), this was very  
>simple, fo instance :
>play "boing" "f#5w c#3e  a#4w"
>
>is there a way to do something like that with revolution (I  have not 
>found in the documentation)
>
>Any suggestion to go  this way ?
 
   


From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar  2 06:57:12 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:57:12 +0000
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <45E72357.3040809@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
	<998E54D8-F7C4-4073-9395-1A1608526E52@looktowindward.com>
	<45E72357.3040809@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <437F5791-BC46-4C17-8ECD-54A84CB1DA86@looktowindward.com>


On 1 Mar 2007, at 19:02, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
>> When I read the part quoted above in the documentation I thought  
>> for a moment that myArray[17] was some special usage and wasted  
>> times checking that it worked the way I thought it worked. There  
>> is really no point in describing the RunRev type of Array in these  
>> terms since there is no element 17 or any other numeric index.
>
> Under "delete variable", the docs say: "The arrayIndex is a key of  
> an array variable. If an arrayIndex is specified instead of a  
> variable name, the delete variable command removes that element of  
> the array, without deleting the rest of the elements in the array."
>
> It seems pretty clear that the delete command will remove an array  
> element with the key you specify. That's how associative arrays work.

The Documentation says:

delete global myArray[17] -- removes 17th element of that array

Does this delete the 17th element of the array? No (except if "17"  
just happens to be at position 17). Therefore it's wrong. It makes no  
sense at all to talk about numeric values to "index" into a RunRev  
based array. There is really no such thing as the 17th (or any other  
index) in an RunRev array.

The documentation is unclear. It should read:

delete global myArray[17] -- removes the array element whose key is  
"17".

note: the use of 17 here does not refer to a numeric index, but  
rather to a key that is used to look up the element in the array. It  
is possible to use the array in a similar fashion to the more  
traditional array found in languages such as C and Pascal since  
RunRev converts the numeric value to a string automatically.

Or something like that!

>> Whoever wrote the documentation didn't understand how Arrays in  
>> RunRev work.
>
> That would be hard to believe. Jeanne DeVoto, who wrote most of the  
> documentation, is one of the foremost documentation experts on  
> xtalk scripting, starting with HyperCard, where she was one of the  
> authors of the definitive reference book for that program. She has  
> been working with the language for 20 years, and I'm certain she  
> understands how arrays work in Revolution. But if you haven't  
> worked much with associative arrays, I can see how it could be  
> confusing.

Well he should have known better then!

Have a great weekend - I know I will!
All the Best
Dave





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Mar  2 08:50:01 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:50:01 +0100
Subject: Patches
Message-ID: <A5A6EA8C-716C-43FB-A028-A263D0EDFB25@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

By request, I have uploaded a stack to Rev Online. This stack fixes  
the following problems in rev 2.8

- Text may be cut off in Answer dialog (applying the patch posted by  
Chipp)
- Answer and Ask dialogs don't send resumeStack message
- Preferred font for script editor is not remembered

If you experience one of these issues in Rev 2.7, you can safely  
apply this patch. Before you apply the patch, always make a backup  
copy of the stacks revanswerdialog.rev, revaskdialog.rev and  
revpreferencesgui.rev (see ~/Applications/Revolution <your license>/ 
Toolset/).

The title of the entry in Rev Online is "Ask and Answer Dialogs and  
Preferences Patch". You can find it in the category Utilities or in  
the user space named Mark.

If you encounter problems with this patch, please let me know.

Best regards,

Mark

--

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Mar  2 08:52:25 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:52:25 +0100
Subject: Playing Boings (was: No subject)
In-Reply-To: <d5f.376f935.331966b1@aol.com>
References: <d5f.376f935.331966b1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D48C5246-8CEC-479D-B6E9-371EC6BB01DC@economy-x-talk.com>

BeepPitch etc work on Unix only.

--

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Op 2-mrt-2007, om 12:38 heeft FlexibleLearning at aol.com het volgende  
geschreven:

> Hi Jean-Marc
>
> Check out beepPitch, beepDuration and beepLoudness. Not  exactly  
> industrial
> strength MIDI, but then HC.boing wasn't either!
>
> /H




From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar  2 08:54:34 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:54:34 +0000
Subject: Drag and Drop Problem
In-Reply-To: <52D398C7-C893-11DB-BF0C-0003938374A8@free.fr>
References: <52D398C7-C893-11DB-BF0C-0003938374A8@free.fr>
Message-ID: <9E80D931-A2FD-48D2-B9DC-290563C42B26@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I have the following "drag" handlers in the Script of a field. It all  
works - mostly. The problem is that sometimes the field gets left  
with a blue border. If I pick up a file in the Finder and move it  
onto the border turns blue (most of the time) if I then move it out  
of the field it goes back to normal (most of the time). However  
sometimes it just doesn't receive the dragEnter/dragLeave message.  
This happens running under the IDE and as a Standalone.

Is this anything else I need to do in order to get this to work  
reliably? I am using an Intel Mac Pro, MacOS X 10.4.8 with god knows  
how much RAM and  1 Terabyte of  Hard Disk Space! Lucky me! lol

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-
--
--  dragStart
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-
on dragStart
end dragStart


------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-
--
--  dragEnter
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-
on dragEnter
   set the borderColor of me to "blue"
   set the threeD of me to false
   set the acceptDrop to true
end dragEnter



------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-
--
--  dragLeave
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-
on dragLeave
   set the borderColor of me to empty
   set the threeD of me to true
   set the acceptDrop to false
end dragLeave


----------------------------------------------------------------------
--
--  dragDrop
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
-
on dragDrop
   local myDropData
   local myMessageID
   local myMessageKind


   --
   --  Grab the Data
   --
   put the dragData["files"] into myDropData
   if myDropData = empty then
     beep
     pass dragDrop
   end if

   --
   --  Send the Add to Job Queue Message
   --
   put "HFPAJobControlMessageID"into myMessageID
   put "HFPAJobQueueAdd"into myMessageKind
   get ISMAppUtilsEncodeAndPutMessage 
(myMessageID,myMessageKind,"Volatile","String",myDropData & cr)

   --
   --  Tidy up and Return
   --
   dragLeave

   pass dragDrop
end dragDrop





From hibis.jmr1 at free.fr  Fri Mar  2 09:06:49 2007
From: hibis.jmr1 at free.fr (hibis.jmr1)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:06:49 +0100
Subject: Playing Boings (was: No subject)
In-Reply-To: <d5f.376f935.331966b1@aol.com>
References: <d5f.376f935.331966b1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4385C54C-C8C7-11DB-8B68-0003938374A8@free.fr>

Thanks    /H  for answering me

but beepPitch, beepDuration and beepLoudness are only available for 
unix, not for Mac nor Window
also, this properties are only  able to modulate "beep" which is a 
simple sound and not a complex one as "boing" was

Has someone explored the wave format and generated simple music with ?

Jean-Marc

Le 2 mars 2007, ? 12:38, FlexibleLearning at aol.com a ?crit :

> Hi Jean-Marc
>
> Check out beepPitch, beepDuration and beepLoudness. Not  exactly 
> industrial
> strength MIDI, but then HC.boing wasn't either!
>
> /H
>
>> I would like to insert in my application a little music  generated by
>> code and not by recording it previously.
>>
>> I  remember, when using hyperCard (it was the good time), this was 
>> very
>> simple, fo instance :
>> play "boing" "f#5w c#3e  a#4w"
>>
>> is there a way to do something like that with revolution (I  have not
>> found in the documentation)
>>
>> Any suggestion to go  this way ?
>
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar  2 09:41:17 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:41:17 +0000
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <437F5791-BC46-4C17-8ECD-54A84CB1DA86@looktowindward.com>
References: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
	<998E54D8-F7C4-4073-9395-1A1608526E52@looktowindward.com>
	<45E72357.3040809@hyperactivesw.com>
	<437F5791-BC46-4C17-8ECD-54A84CB1DA86@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <4BFD4A23-EEFF-4C12-99D9-92386998F65D@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Please see comment below regarding the documentation in RunRev.

All the Best
Dave

On 3/2/07, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:

Whoever wrote the

> documentation didn't understand how Arrays in RunRev work. If they
> had been called something less confusing then the problem  would not
> have arisen and I wouldn't have wasted time!
>


Having neither programmed in SNOBOL4 of SPTOBOL I have no clue as to  
what
pitfalls await those who have when they come across to Rev, but you  
may wish
to take up the invitation on the very first page of the Rev Docs:

Please send all comments and feedback to:
userguide at runrev.com
All comments will be read and you will receive a reply.


> From my perspective I don't believe that changing the name from  
> Array to
>
Table would solve much if the example still uses the number 17. If the
example was:

delete global myTable[seventeen] --removes the element whose key is
'seventeen' from the array

I believe would not have wasted your time, but then again I haven't  
come to
Rev with your background so I'll leave it up to you as to what send to
userguide at runrev.com to help others not fall into the same trap you  
have.
_______________________________________________
use-revolution mailing list
use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
subscription preferences:
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

On 2 Mar 2007, at 11:57, Dave wrote:

>
> On 1 Mar 2007, at 19:02, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> Dave wrote:
>>
>>> When I read the part quoted above in the documentation I thought  
>>> for a moment that myArray[17] was some special usage and wasted  
>>> times checking that it worked the way I thought it worked. There  
>>> is really no point in describing the RunRev type of Array in  
>>> these terms since there is no element 17 or any other numeric index.
>>
>> Under "delete variable", the docs say: "The arrayIndex is a key of  
>> an array variable. If an arrayIndex is specified instead of a  
>> variable name, the delete variable command removes that element of  
>> the array, without deleting the rest of the elements in the array."
>>
>> It seems pretty clear that the delete command will remove an array  
>> element with the key you specify. That's how associative arrays work.
>
> The Documentation says:
>
> delete global myArray[17] -- removes 17th element of that array
>
> Does this delete the 17th element of the array? No (except if "17"  
> just happens to be at position 17). Therefore it's wrong. It makes  
> no sense at all to talk about numeric values to "index" into a  
> RunRev based array. There is really no such thing as the 17th (or  
> any other index) in an RunRev array.
>
> The documentation is unclear. It should read:
>
> delete global myArray[17] -- removes the array element whose key is  
> "17".
>
> note: the use of 17 here does not refer to a numeric index, but  
> rather to a key that is used to look up the element in the array.  
> It is possible to use the array in a similar fashion to the more  
> traditional array found in languages such as C and Pascal since  
> RunRev converts the numeric value to a string automatically.
>
> Or something like that!
>
>>> Whoever wrote the documentation didn't understand how Arrays in  
>>> RunRev work.
>>
>> That would be hard to believe. Jeanne DeVoto, who wrote most of  
>> the documentation, is one of the foremost documentation experts on  
>> xtalk scripting, starting with HyperCard, where she was one of the  
>> authors of the definitive reference book for that program. She has  
>> been working with the language for 20 years, and I'm certain she  
>> understands how arrays work in Revolution. But if you haven't  
>> worked much with associative arrays, I can see how it could be  
>> confusing.
>
> Well he should have known better then!
>
> Have a great weekend - I know I will!
> All the Best
> Dave
>
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From wow at together.net  Fri Mar  2 09:55:29 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:55:29 -0700
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
Message-ID: <0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>

I'll ask my original question about wireless connections and file  
transferring a bit differently. Maybe this will spark some feedback.

Let's say our Rev app requests a file from the server (via a wireless  
connection). It does this via "put url x into z".

1) The server gets the request and attempts to send the file back,  
but the wireless connection drops out. How long does the "put"  
command wait for a response and what should the program do if nothing  
comes back? Also, what is the server's response to trying to send the  
file but not being successful due to the bad connection?

2) Alternately, what happens if the program tries to send the "put"  
command but the connection goes down then (i.e. it never reaches the  
server)? How should the program respond then?

And finally, is there any good / sane reason to use LibURLResetAll in  
the standalone or is that just looking for trouble.

Thanks.
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies


From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Mar  2 10:08:06 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:08:06 -0300
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
Message-ID: <8DA14F08-ABAA-45FC-A08F-E6D321B46D46@mac.com>

Richard,

check the libURLSocketTimeoutInterval from the docs ;-)

Cheers
andre

On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Richard Miller wrote:

> I'll ask my original question about wireless connections and file  
> transferring a bit differently. Maybe this will spark some feedback.
>
> Let's say our Rev app requests a file from the server (via a  
> wireless connection). It does this via "put url x into z".
>
> 1) The server gets the request and attempts to send the file back,  
> but the wireless connection drops out. How long does the "put"  
> command wait for a response and what should the program do if  
> nothing comes back? Also, what is the server's response to trying  
> to send the file but not being successful due to the bad connection?
>
> 2) Alternately, what happens if the program tries to send the "put"  
> command but the connection goes down then (i.e. it never reaches  
> the server)? How should the program respond then?
>
> And finally, is there any good / sane reason to use LibURLResetAll  
> in the standalone or is that just looking for trouble.
>
> Thanks.
> Richard Miller
> Imprinter Technologies
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Fri Mar  2 10:24:00 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:24:00 +0000
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
Message-ID: <2109646E-A630-4F04-AAD0-D07625B8A2D4@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 2 Mar 2007, at 14:55, Richard Miller wrote:
> Let's say our Rev app requests a file from the server (via a  
> wireless connection). It does this via "put url x into z".
>
> 1) The server gets the request and attempts to send the file back,  
> but the wireless connection drops out. How long does the "put"  
> command wait for a response and what should the program do if  
> nothing comes back? Also, what is the server's response to trying  
> to send the file but not being successful due to the bad connection?
>
> 2) Alternately, what happens if the program tries to send the "put"  
> command but the connection goes down then (i.e. it never reaches  
> the server)? How should the program respond then?

Richard, is this FTP file transfer, or a regualar file server?

If it's FTP ...

I'm going to assume losing a wireless connection is the same as  
losing a normal wired connection (same effect as pulling out the LAN  
cable). Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

If that's the case, 2 situations:

1.  The connection is down before making the request. In this case,  
you should get an immediate error in "the result" when you make the  
"put  ... into url ..." or "get url" request.

2.  If it goes down during the transfer, I'm seeing a socketTimeout  
error here, so it's not immeditae. This surprised me as I expected a  
socketError. (This is on OS X)

I'd expect something similar for regular file transfers.


>
> And finally, is there any good / sane reason to use LibURLResetAll  
> in the standalone or is that just looking for trouble.

I'd avoid it if you can. I've never included it in a standalone.

Cheers
Dave


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar  2 10:36:57 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 07:36:57 -0800
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <DDCF59B3-8E08-44EC-A1A9-718F7C70420D@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <EF36831D-E60D-4B88-9E6C-B7DA9724C5F2@looktowindward.com>
	<41FF06F1-FD3E-4C6E-B0C7-145C266EBFBF@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<C0125F03-5D96-423A-8486-B58D2FF0D51B@looktowindward.com>
	<BAFAAA1C-D158-4D8D-B199-DB4C46C0689F@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<178274668442.20070301224802@ahsoftware.net>
	<DDCF59B3-8E08-44EC-A1A9-718F7C70420D@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <56306403454.20070302073657@ahsoftware.net>

Dave-

Friday, March 2, 2007, 12:21:35 AM, you wrote:

> Interestingly (perhaps!!) is that ActionScript 3 (don't know about
> earlier versions) treats associative arrays and objects as equivalent
> things. From their docs: "Associative arrays are unordered  
> collections of key and value pairs. " You don't write their docs, do
> you? :-) They can be instantiated by declaring either an array or an
> object.

Well, if they agree with me they *must* be right... <g>

> It also allows the same syntax to refer to elements in standard  
> (indexed?) arrays and objects (associative arrays). So myArray[4] is
> an index reference for an array, and myObject[someValue] can be used
> as a key reference for an object / associative array. So I guess  
> someone coming from that environment might be understandably confused
> by Rev's behaviour.

I look forward to the day when we have true numeric arrays in rev for
speed as well as the associative ones, and then we can benefit from
the same sort of confusion over ordered vs unordered elements.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar  2 10:35:59 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:35:59 -0700
Subject: Umlaut--Success!
In-Reply-To: <1172824399.45e7e14f5f0f2@webmail.uib.no>
References: <DF9BD56F-DD6A-4ED4-B174-72539BAA0F89@roman.uib.no>
	<D54B0AF3-3387-4901-B5FA-B2059FE0CE68@byu.edu>
	<6504CB0E-F73A-4D2B-852F-9AF4D6AC1644@roman.uib.no>
	<F221A2C0-9509-4E45-84FB-FBC336DB679E@byu.edu>
	<DC09FCA8-5EAE-4FC3-9329-58DA0E28F43E@economy-x-talk.com>
	<95777BD7-A6BC-4AE1-A589-611BA2712DE6@byu.edu>
	<1172824399.45e7e14f5f0f2@webmail.uib.no>
Message-ID: <0AFBF170-D6D1-462B-8B46-1252517A11D1@byu.edu>

Signe,

On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:33 AM, Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no wrote:

> Good morning Devin
> I have still got no success (on Mac10.4.8 and Rev 2.6)
> The fld "result" is set to "verdana,unicode", but only n appears.  
> Could it be
> that I need Rev 2.8?

Indeed it does not work with Rev v. < 2.7. There were some  
enhancements to unicode for 2.7 that seem to be necessary to make  
this work.
>
> However, I have not tried your suggested settings with "Enable the  
> Unicode Hex
> Input method in the International system prefs under the input tab.  
> This will
> cause the Unicode Hex Input method to appear in the input menu (the  
> one with the
> little flags on the right side of the menubar.) First because my  
> system is in
> Norwegian and I did not find the input menu, and secondly because  
> my potential
> users cannot be bothered by doing this. (Or am I completely wrong?  
> Is this
> setting in Revolution somewhere?)

No, it's a Mac OS X setting. Open System Preferences, click on  
International, then Input Menu. As soon as you enable at least one of  
the items under Input Menu the input (flag menu, right next to the  
time on the right end of the menu bar) will become visible.

Do your users need to be able to type the n-with-umlaut into a field?  
If so, you could provide a button that inserted one, using the method  
I've described. If you decide to go that route I'd be happy to make a  
sample stack for you that does this.

Regards,

Devin
>
> Quoting Devin Asay <devin_asay at byu.edu>:
>
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2007, at 10:02 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Devin,
>>>
>>> This doesn't work for me (Mac OS X 10.4.8, Rev 2.7.8).
>>>
>>> The # is replaced by n instead of n-umlaut.
>>
>> Right, after I sent this message, I discovered that the first # in
>> the field does not get replaced by the n-umlaut, only an n. It works
>> for every other # after the first one. (Go figure!) Here's a
>> workaround that worked for me:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>    get "#"&fld "poundfld"
>>    put numToChar(110) & numToChar(204) & numToChar(136) into tChars
>>    replace "#" with tChars in it
>>    set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
>>    delete char 1 to 2 of fld "result"
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> Does this work for you?
>>
>> Thanks for keeping me honest!
>>
>> Devin
>>
>>>
>>>> Signe,
>>>>
>>>> You can still do it without one of these methods. Let's take your
>>>> case as an example. Say you have a field "poundfield" that
>>>> contains your text with # for each n-umlaut. Now create another
>>>> field, say field "result", and set its textFont to a unicode font
>>>> as in #1 of my first post, below. Now create a button with the
>>>> following script:
>>>>
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>   get fld "poundfld"
>>>>   replace "#" with "n??" in it
>>>>   set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
>>>> end mouseUp
>>>>
>>>> Barring any automatic Mac to PC character substitutions (by Rev or
>>>> by your mail client,) this should result in the #'s in your
>>>> poundfield being replaced by the character you want. If it doesn't
>>>> work as posted here, the three characters in the 'with' part of
>>>> the replace statement are ASCII-110 ASCII-204 ASCII-136. So you
>>>> could generate them reliably by doing this:
>>>>
>>>> on mouseUp
>>>>   get fld "poundfld"
>>>>   put numToChar(110) & numToChar(204) & numToChar(136) into tChars
>>>>   replace "#" with tChars in it
>>>>   set the unicodeText of fld "result" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
>>>> end mouseUp


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From wow at together.net  Fri Mar  2 10:37:12 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:37:12 -0700
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <8DA14F08-ABAA-45FC-A08F-E6D321B46D46@mac.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<8DA14F08-ABAA-45FC-A08F-E6D321B46D46@mac.com>
Message-ID: <883D3155-CB94-40A9-8A07-AE0102E89D32@together.net>

Andre,

I see SocketTimeoutInterval but not LibURLSocketTimeoutInterval. Is  
that documented in a version later than 2.7.3, and does it apply to  
"put" commands? I was under the impression socketTimeoutInterval did  
not. It's not apparent from the docs.

Thanks.
Richard


On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:08 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Richard,
>
> check the libURLSocketTimeoutInterval from the docs ;-)
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
> On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> I'll ask my original question about wireless connections and file  
>> transferring a bit differently. Maybe this will spark some feedback.
>>
>> Let's say our Rev app requests a file from the server (via a  
>> wireless connection). It does this via "put url x into z".
>>
>> 1) The server gets the request and attempts to send the file back,  
>> but the wireless connection drops out. How long does the "put"  
>> command wait for a response and what should the program do if  
>> nothing comes back? Also, what is the server's response to trying  
>> to send the file but not being successful due to the bad connection?
>>
>> 2) Alternately, what happens if the program tries to send the  
>> "put" command but the connection goes down then (i.e. it never  
>> reaches the server)? How should the program respond then?
>>
>> And finally, is there any good / sane reason to use LibURLResetAll  
>> in the standalone or is that just looking for trouble.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard Miller
>> Imprinter Technologies
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From wow at together.net  Fri Mar  2 10:40:18 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 08:40:18 -0700
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <2109646E-A630-4F04-AAD0-D07625B8A2D4@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<2109646E-A630-4F04-AAD0-D07625B8A2D4@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F10C1D83-9104-4FE8-9942-66865D105BA4@together.net>

Dave,

FTP transfers only.

Sounds like you are saying that if the connection goes down before  
the message reaches the server, "the result" would come back very  
quickly with an error, in which case the program should probably wait  
a couple of seconds and try again.

If it's a socketTimeout error, that would take as long as the  
interval was set for before that message came back, in which case the  
program should again wait a few seconds then try another attempt.

Is that about right?

Thanks.
Richard



On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:24 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:

>
> On 2 Mar 2007, at 14:55, Richard Miller wrote:
>> Let's say our Rev app requests a file from the server (via a  
>> wireless connection). It does this via "put url x into z".
>>
>> 1) The server gets the request and attempts to send the file back,  
>> but the wireless connection drops out. How long does the "put"  
>> command wait for a response and what should the program do if  
>> nothing comes back? Also, what is the server's response to trying  
>> to send the file but not being successful due to the bad connection?
>>
>> 2) Alternately, what happens if the program tries to send the  
>> "put" command but the connection goes down then (i.e. it never  
>> reaches the server)? How should the program respond then?
>
> Richard, is this FTP file transfer, or a regualar file server?
>
> If it's FTP ...
>
> I'm going to assume losing a wireless connection is the same as  
> losing a normal wired connection (same effect as pulling out the  
> LAN cable). Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> If that's the case, 2 situations:
>
> 1.  The connection is down before making the request. In this case,  
> you should get an immediate error in "the result" when you make the  
> "put  ... into url ..." or "get url" request.
>
> 2.  If it goes down during the transfer, I'm seeing a socketTimeout  
> error here, so it's not immeditae. This surprised me as I expected  
> a socketError. (This is on OS X)
>
> I'd expect something similar for regular file transfers.
>
>
>>
>> And finally, is there any good / sane reason to use LibURLResetAll  
>> in the standalone or is that just looking for trouble.
>
> I'd avoid it if you can. I've never included it in a standalone.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
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From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Mar  2 10:54:24 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:54:24 -0300
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <883D3155-CB94-40A9-8A07-AE0102E89D32@together.net>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<8DA14F08-ABAA-45FC-A08F-E6D321B46D46@mac.com>
	<883D3155-CB94-40A9-8A07-AE0102E89D32@together.net>
Message-ID: <5F1CA9A7-FC3A-4F76-ADE8-0EC55FA92F99@mac.com>

Richard,

my mistake, it is sockettimeoutinterval... I put the libURL before it  
because I woke up just 30 minutes ago and drunk a limonade, that  
always make me dizzy.

Andre

On Mar 2, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Richard Miller wrote:

> Andre,
>
> I see SocketTimeoutInterval but not LibURLSocketTimeoutInterval. Is  
> that documented in a version later than 2.7.3, and does it apply to  
> "put" commands? I was under the impression socketTimeoutInterval  
> did not. It's not apparent from the docs.
>
> Thanks.
> Richard
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:08 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Richard,
>>
>> check the libURLSocketTimeoutInterval from the docs ;-)
>>
>> Cheers
>> andre
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Richard Miller wrote:
>>
>>> I'll ask my original question about wireless connections and file  
>>> transferring a bit differently. Maybe this will spark some feedback.
>>>
>>> Let's say our Rev app requests a file from the server (via a  
>>> wireless connection). It does this via "put url x into z".
>>>
>>> 1) The server gets the request and attempts to send the file  
>>> back, but the wireless connection drops out. How long does the  
>>> "put" command wait for a response and what should the program do  
>>> if nothing comes back? Also, what is the server's response to  
>>> trying to send the file but not being successful due to the bad  
>>> connection?
>>>
>>> 2) Alternately, what happens if the program tries to send the  
>>> "put" command but the connection goes down then (i.e. it never  
>>> reaches the server)? How should the program respond then?
>>>
>>> And finally, is there any good / sane reason to use  
>>> LibURLResetAll in the standalone or is that just looking for  
>>> trouble.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Richard Miller
>>> Imprinter Technologies
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>
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From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Fri Mar  2 11:02:56 2007
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:02:56 +0000
Subject: Re-2: Playing Boings (was: No subject)
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000009800026F28@192.168.168.3>

Hi,

beepPitch and beepDuration do work here under Windows XP.
Only beepLoudness seems not to work.

Regards,

Matthias


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Playing Boings (was: No subject) (02-Mrz-2007 15:30)
From:    hibis.jmr1 <hibis.jmr1 at free.fr>
To:      use-revolution at lists.runrev.com

> Thanks    /H  for answering me
> 
> but beepPitch, beepDuration and beepLoudness are only available for 
> unix, not for Mac nor Window
> also, this properties are only  able to modulate "beep" which is a 
> simple sound and not a complex one as "boing" was
> 
> Has someone explored the wave format and generated simple music with ?
> 
> Jean-Marc
> 
> Le 2 mars 2007, ? 12:38, FlexibleLearning at aol.com a ?crit :
> 
> > Hi Jean-Marc
> >
> > Check out beepPitch, beepDuration and beepLoudness. Not  exactly 
> > industrial
> > strength MIDI, but then HC.boing wasn't either!
> >
> > /H
> >
> >> I would like to insert in my application a little music  generated by
> >> code and not by recording it previously.
> >>
> >> I  remember, when using hyperCard (it was the good time), this was 
> >> very
> >> simple, fo instance :
> >> play "boing" "f#5w c#3e  a#4w"
> >>
> >> is there a way to do something like that with revolution (I  have not
> >> found in the documentation)
> >>
> >> Any suggestion to go  this way ?
> >
> >
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar  2 11:04:42 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:04:42 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
Message-ID: <014A7EC9-BA6D-4C22-82AA-ED24262747DA@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

How do I move a File from one folder to another? I found  
revMoveFolder, but no Move File command.

Thanks in Advance
Have a Great Weekend - All the Best
Dave



From wow at together.net  Fri Mar  2 11:06:14 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:06:14 -0700
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <5F1CA9A7-FC3A-4F76-ADE8-0EC55FA92F99@mac.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<8DA14F08-ABAA-45FC-A08F-E6D321B46D46@mac.com>
	<883D3155-CB94-40A9-8A07-AE0102E89D32@together.net>
	<5F1CA9A7-FC3A-4F76-ADE8-0EC55FA92F99@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BC36DF35-E035-4A3F-B5C6-AD198835EFB9@together.net>

Same question, though. Does SocketTimeoutInterval apply to "put"  
commands?

Richard


On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Richard,
>
> my mistake, it is sockettimeoutinterval... I put the libURL before  
> it because I woke up just 30 minutes ago and drunk a limonade, that  
> always make me dizzy.
>
> Andre
>
> On Mar 2, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> Andre,
>>
>> I see SocketTimeoutInterval but not LibURLSocketTimeoutInterval.  
>> Is that documented in a version later than 2.7.3, and does it  
>> apply to "put" commands? I was under the impression  
>> socketTimeoutInterval did not. It's not apparent from the docs.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:08 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> check the libURLSocketTimeoutInterval from the docs ;-)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> andre
>>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Richard Miller wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll ask my original question about wireless connections and  
>>>> file transferring a bit differently. Maybe this will spark some  
>>>> feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Let's say our Rev app requests a file from the server (via a  
>>>> wireless connection). It does this via "put url x into z".
>>>>
>>>> 1) The server gets the request and attempts to send the file  
>>>> back, but the wireless connection drops out. How long does the  
>>>> "put" command wait for a response and what should the program do  
>>>> if nothing comes back? Also, what is the server's response to  
>>>> trying to send the file but not being successful due to the bad  
>>>> connection?
>>>>
>>>> 2) Alternately, what happens if the program tries to send the  
>>>> "put" command but the connection goes down then (i.e. it never  
>>>> reaches the server)? How should the program respond then?
>>>>
>>>> And finally, is there any good / sane reason to use  
>>>> LibURLResetAll in the standalone or is that just looking for  
>>>> trouble.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> Richard Miller
>>>> Imprinter Technologies
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
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>>>> subscription preferences:
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar  2 11:26:20 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:26:20 -0600
Subject: move file to trash on windows
In-Reply-To: <9EEDE3F2-3E5F-4861-87EE-8DB392E83A02@major-k.de>
References: <OFC0BB732D.9FA8A5A7-ONC1257291.004AEB5E-C1257291.004B1600@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<A3E4426E-0A7E-4C90-A93A-7BA4FBD17C02@major-k.de>
	<20070301091550106718.b9c65eea@sonsothunder.com>
	<521A0487-AA10-432B-9CA3-5B2C294EF0C8@major-k.de>
	<20070301142107559635.d921d6db@sonsothunder.com>
	<9EEDE3F2-3E5F-4861-87EE-8DB392E83A02@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <20070302102620913446.90d0155b@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:10:58 +0100, Klaus Major wrote:

>> The reason I ask is that you mentioned you didn't want a VBS solution,
> 
> Yep, I really dont want some anti-virus apps go berserk when I try to 
> execute a VBS script on the customers computer, this is a no-go :-)
> 
>> but the easiest way to attach a "normal" (i.e. non-Rev) DLL to
>> Revolution is through VBS... if you can use VBS for *this* purpose, it
>> might be possible to find a public domain DLL that will do it that can
>> be attached via VBS.
> 
> What do you mean exactly?
> 
> Programmed in VBS and then compiled into a DLL?
> Or to attach a ready DLL via a VBS? No way, see above ;-)

What I mean is that I ran into the same problem with "normal" VBS 
files, where it would trigger antivirus software (primarily because it 
was trying to do things with the FileSystem object and that is a 
no-no). However I discovered that if I created a "normal" DLL (in my 
case using Visual Basic 6.0) and then called it from a VBS script that 
only connected to the DLL, executed a function in there, and then 
returned the result to Rev, it wouldn't trigger virus software and it 
meant that virtually any DLL written in any language could be used with 
Rev.

Details are here:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ext002.htm

So my thought was that there might a public domain "normal" DLL out 
there that did what you wanted (or could be created if necessary) and 
then called from Rev through a VBS script wrapper.

Just a thought,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Mar  2 11:31:10 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:31:10 -0300
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <BC36DF35-E035-4A3F-B5C6-AD198835EFB9@together.net>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<8DA14F08-ABAA-45FC-A08F-E6D321B46D46@mac.com>
	<883D3155-CB94-40A9-8A07-AE0102E89D32@together.net>
	<5F1CA9A7-FC3A-4F76-ADE8-0EC55FA92F99@mac.com>
	<BC36DF35-E035-4A3F-B5C6-AD198835EFB9@together.net>
Message-ID: <614AD175-C137-4662-8DC7-F558CFBD18D4@mac.com>

Richard,

I think sockettimeoutinterval applies to anything using sockets, it  
don't apply to put command but to the URL keyword you're using with  
the put command. I think.

I use it with such structures here like:

  put URL <someUrl> into mySweetVariable

and I do set the socket timeout interval to something appropriate and  
it works.

Andre

On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Richard Miller wrote:

> Same question, though. Does SocketTimeoutInterval apply to "put"  
> commands?
>
> Richard
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:54 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Richard,
>>
>> my mistake, it is sockettimeoutinterval... I put the libURL before  
>> it because I woke up just 30 minutes ago and drunk a limonade,  
>> that always make me dizzy.
>>
>> Andre
>>
>> On Mar 2, 2007, at 12:37 PM, Richard Miller wrote:
>>
>>> Andre,
>>>
>>> I see SocketTimeoutInterval but not LibURLSocketTimeoutInterval.  
>>> Is that documented in a version later than 2.7.3, and does it  
>>> apply to "put" commands? I was under the impression  
>>> socketTimeoutInterval did not. It's not apparent from the docs.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:08 AM, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Richard,
>>>>
>>>> check the libURLSocketTimeoutInterval from the docs ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> andre
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 2, 2007, at 11:55 AM, Richard Miller wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'll ask my original question about wireless connections and  
>>>>> file transferring a bit differently. Maybe this will spark some  
>>>>> feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's say our Rev app requests a file from the server (via a  
>>>>> wireless connection). It does this via "put url x into z".
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) The server gets the request and attempts to send the file  
>>>>> back, but the wireless connection drops out. How long does the  
>>>>> "put" command wait for a response and what should the program  
>>>>> do if nothing comes back? Also, what is the server's response  
>>>>> to trying to send the file but not being successful due to the  
>>>>> bad connection?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) Alternately, what happens if the program tries to send the  
>>>>> "put" command but the connection goes down then (i.e. it never  
>>>>> reaches the server)? How should the program respond then?
>>>>>
>>>>> And finally, is there any good / sane reason to use  
>>>>> LibURLResetAll in the standalone or is that just looking for  
>>>>> trouble.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Richard Miller
>>>>> Imprinter Technologies
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From mlange at widged.com  Fri Mar  2 11:38:45 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:38:45 +0000
Subject: callbacks
Message-ID: <F9B41369-4337-45A3-83F5-319E63C24C34@widged.com>

As there was a discussion involving callbacks recently. When browsing  
my notes, I was reminded of the existence of this article:

Creating Rich Media Applications with Callbacks by Elanor Buchanan
<http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/july/issue4/newsletter3.html>

Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education







From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar  2 11:47:41 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 08:47:41 -0800
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
Message-ID: <45E8552D.5020406@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
> The documentation is unclear. It should read:
> 
> delete global myArray[17] -- removes the array element whose key is  
> "17".
> 
> note: the use of 17 here does not refer to a numeric index, but  
> rather to a key that is used to look up the element in the array. It  
> is possible to use the array in a similar fashion to the more  
> traditional array found in languages such as C and Pascal since  
> RunRev converts the numeric value to a string automatically.
> 
> Or something like that!

Good suggestion.  I've submitted your request for you:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4493>

But you needn't burden yourself with a dependence on me or anyone else 
here.  You can submit requests yourself at <http://quality.runrev.com>.


This is the type of thing where threads tend to go south here:

>>> Whoever wrote the documentation didn't understand how Arrays in  
>>> RunRev work.
>>
>> That would be hard to believe. Jeanne DeVoto, who wrote most of the  
>> documentation, is one of the foremost documentation experts on  
>> xtalk scripting, starting with HyperCard, where she was one of the  
>> authors of the definitive reference book for that program. She has  
>> been working with the language for 20 years, and I'm certain she  
>> understands how arrays work in Revolution. But if you haven't  
>> worked much with associative arrays, I can see how it could be  
>> confusing.
> 
> Well he should have known better then!

First, Jeanne is a woman.

Second, that a mistake is made in any product's documentation does not 
necessarily mean the author doesn't understand the concepts involved, 
nor does finding such a mistake mean the author is fair game for insults.

I'll be perfectly honest with you: the Rev documentation contains some 
errors and omissions.

And I hope you're sitting down for this next one, as it may shock your 
very core: Nearly all software products (certainly all that I've seen in 
20+ years) have errors and omissions in their documentation.

Sorry to have to break it to you, but the sooner you accept the 
complexity of shipping software products, the sooner you'll be able to 
deal with your own customers more effectively when they find errors and 
omissions in your product documentation.  I hope they report them to you 
in a way that doesn't insult your experience, since that would be as 
unnecessary as it is unproductive.

I don't know how many thousands of pages of documentation you've 
written, and I'll admit I've written fewer than 10,000 pages over my 
career thus far.  But through those modest efforts I've come to 
appreciate the difficulty of the task, and -- as with code -- I've come 
to accept that in this imperfect world products will be imperfect.

Fortunately with software, unlike cars and space shuttles, we get a 
second chance.  Commercial software is almost always delivered in a 
series of versions, and each new version offers an opportunity to 
address errors and omissions found in the last one.

So yes, you've found something in the docs which is technically in most 
cases an error.  Good job.  Your diligence is appreciated.

And now that I've submitted your request for you, and now that you 
understand that Rev's are associative arrays and how associative arrays 
work, may we get back on a productive track to address specifically how 
these arrays are causing a problem in your work?

There are a lot of people here who try to be helpful. For example, I've 
shown you twice now how the syntax for working with associative arrays 
in Rev is largely identical to how one might use numeric arrays, and how 
you can use the unrestricted types of keys in associative arrays for a 
broader range of solutions beyond what numeric arrays can support.

I'm confident that if you can share with us the specific problem you're 
facing with using associative arrays, some of the folks here can help 
you solve that problem.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  2 12:04:07 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:04:07 -0800
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <014A7EC9-BA6D-4C22-82AA-ED24262747DA@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <C20D9907.4384B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/2/07 8:04 AM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> How do I move a File from one folder to another? I found
> revMoveFolder, but no Move File command.
> 

You revCopyFile the file, then use 'delete'

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From linux at flippingdades.com  Fri Mar  2 12:08:02 2007
From: linux at flippingdades.com (Don Jungk)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:08:02 -0600
Subject: Tutorials
Message-ID: <200703021108.02250.linux@flippingdades.com>

Hi,
I've just started trying to work with Revolution. I have the PDF tutorials 
from the web site, but I can't find the actual projects for any of these 
tutorials. I'm looking now at the "Preference_Pane" tutorial and it has 
screen shots, but no actual code in it. If anyone knows where the projects 
are, would you send me the URL?

I am in a third world country with rather shaky dialup service and watching 
movies via the internet is not possible at this time.

Thank you for your time,
Don Jungk


From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Mar  2 12:10:09 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:10:09 +0100
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <014A7EC9-BA6D-4C22-82AA-ED24262747DA@looktowindward.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<014A7EC9-BA6D-4C22-82AA-ED24262747DA@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <22458099-2141-4A66-BFFD-174AFEACCFC1@major-k.de>

Hi Dave,

> Hi,
>
> How do I move a File from one folder to another? I found  
> revMoveFolder, but no Move File command.

have a close look at the "rename" command :-)

> Thanks in Advance
> Have a Great Weekend - All the Best
> Dave

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Mar  2 12:12:34 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:12:34 +0100
Subject: move file to trash on windows
In-Reply-To: <20070302102620913446.90d0155b@sonsothunder.com>
References: <OFC0BB732D.9FA8A5A7-ONC1257291.004AEB5E-C1257291.004B1600@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<A3E4426E-0A7E-4C90-A93A-7BA4FBD17C02@major-k.de>
	<20070301091550106718.b9c65eea@sonsothunder.com>
	<521A0487-AA10-432B-9CA3-5B2C294EF0C8@major-k.de>
	<20070301142107559635.d921d6db@sonsothunder.com>
	<9EEDE3F2-3E5F-4861-87EE-8DB392E83A02@major-k.de>
	<20070302102620913446.90d0155b@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <0F315D90-A182-4383-A1FF-EA9A96ECB8AB@major-k.de>

Hi Ken,

> On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:10:58 +0100, Klaus Major wrote:
>>> The reason I ask is that you mentioned you didn't want a VBS  
>>> solution,
>> Yep, I really dont want some anti-virus apps go berserk when I try to
>> execute a VBS script on the customers computer, this is a no-go :-)
>>> but the easiest way to attach a "normal" (i.e. non-Rev) DLL to
>>> Revolution is through VBS... if you can use VBS for *this*  
>>> purpose, it
>>> might be possible to find a public domain DLL that will do it  
>>> that can
>>> be attached via VBS.
>> What do you mean exactly?
>> Programmed in VBS and then compiled into a DLL?
>> Or to attach a ready DLL via a VBS? No way, see above ;-)
> What I mean is that I ran into the same problem with "normal" VBS
> files, where it would trigger antivirus software (primarily because it
> was trying to do things with the FileSystem object and that is a
> no-no). However I discovered that if I created a "normal" DLL (in my
> case using Visual Basic 6.0) and then called it from a VBS script that
> only connected to the DLL, executed a function in there, and then
> returned the result to Rev, it wouldn't trigger virus software and it
> meant that virtually any DLL written in any language could be used  
> with
> Rev.
>
> Details are here:
>
>   http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ext002.htm
>
> So my thought was that there might a public domain "normal" DLL out
> there that did what you wanted (or could be created if necessary) and
> then called from Rev through a VBS script wrapper.

AH, I see. This is definitively worth considering.

Thanks a lot for this very useful info!

> Just a thought,

But a good one :-)

> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

Best from germany

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From runrev at animabit.de  Fri Mar  2 12:16:39 2007
From: runrev at animabit.de (runrev at animabit.de)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:16:39 +0000
Subject: Test: live streaming 3d
Message-ID: <DIIE.000001FF00004B76@animabit.de>

Hello,

does anyone have the time for a short test (please not all at the same time !!! ;-)

http://animabit.de/multimedia/video_live.html
time: now from 18.30 to 19.00
video streaming of 3d rooms partially created with programs in runrev

Any suggestion to mailto:boehmisch at animabit.de 


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  2 12:29:18 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:29:18 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question 
Message-ID: <C20D9EEE.43852%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Given that Microsoft will discontinue support for WinXP at some point in the
future, what does this mean for those who setup to use virtuals (Boot Camp,
Parallels, etc)?

It sounds like Vista will be too demanding to be used on a Mac in a virtual
environ.  Since authorization is required for any install, it seems like the
future will be that we are forced to use pirated copies since MS will want
to force the upgrade to Vista.

One of my goals in my two businesses is to use the Parallels solution, but
this may have a short life expectancy.

Am I off-base in my thinking, and should just not worry about XP
disappearing in the next couple years?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Mar  2 12:59:13 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:59:13 -0600
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <C20D9EEE.43852%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C20D9EEE.43852%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45E865F1.9080905@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Jim Ault wrote:
> Given that Microsoft will discontinue support for WinXP at some point in the
> future, what does this mean for those who setup to use virtuals (Boot Camp,
> Parallels, etc)?

Though I'm just hoping, I imagine that Apple will be making Boot Camp 
compatible with Windows Vista.  It just may take a little time.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/





From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar  2 13:00:05 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:00:05 -0800
Subject: callbacks
In-Reply-To: <F9B41369-4337-45A3-83F5-319E63C24C34@widged.com>
References: <F9B41369-4337-45A3-83F5-319E63C24C34@widged.com>
Message-ID: <8E8E6717-0F5F-4945-B875-030A957F90F5@Cox.Net>

Do you guys and gals know how hard it is to get any real work done  
what with the interesting, insightful stuff that gets posted here  
every day and evening?

Keep it up! And thanks.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 2, 2007, at 8:38 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:

> As there was a discussion involving callbacks recently. When  
> browsing my notes, I was reminded of the existence of this article:
>
> Creating Rich Media Applications with Callbacks by Elanor Buchanan
> <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/july/issue4/newsletter3.html>
>
> Marielle
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
> Bite-size Applications for Education
>
>
>
>
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Mar  2 13:06:29 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 19:06:29 +0100
Subject: callbacks
In-Reply-To: <F9B41369-4337-45A3-83F5-319E63C24C34@widged.com>
References: <F9B41369-4337-45A3-83F5-319E63C24C34@widged.com>
Message-ID: <43298C44-B040-45D6-915A-82E9626E521E@major-k.de>

Hi Marielle and all,

> As there was a discussion involving callbacks recently. When  
> browsing my notes, I was reminded of the existence of this article:
>
> Creating Rich Media Applications with Callbacks by Elanor Buchanan
> <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/july/issue4/newsletter3.html>

I have a little stack on RevOnline with some info about and a cheesy  
example how to use callbacks :-)

"klausimausi" -> "Fun with callbacks"

> Marielle
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
> Bite-size Applications for Education

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar  2 13:10:02 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:10:02 -0700
Subject: XP and Vista question 
In-Reply-To: <C20D9EEE.43852%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C20D9EEE.43852%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EA02A979-E39B-4C3F-80C1-0F4954FE44D6@byu.edu>

Jim,

My sources tell me that Vista runs fine under Boot Camp. It's just  
not officially certified yet. Since Boot Camp is a true dual-boot  
solution, you would be running Vista natively, so there shouldn't be  
any trouble.

Reportedly, Parallels Desktop now supports Vista officially. I found  
a good mini-review here:

http://www.winplanet.com/article/3480-.htm

I don't think we'll have to worry about Vista support on Apple  
hardware going forward.

Regards,

Devin

On Mar 2, 2007, at 10:29 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Given that Microsoft will discontinue support for WinXP at some  
> point in the
> future, what does this mean for those who setup to use virtuals  
> (Boot Camp,
> Parallels, etc)?
>
> It sounds like Vista will be too demanding to be used on a Mac in a  
> virtual
> environ.  Since authorization is required for any install, it seems  
> like the
> future will be that we are forced to use pirated copies since MS  
> will want
> to force the upgrade to Vista.
>
> One of my goals in my two businesses is to use the Parallels  
> solution, but
> this may have a short life expectancy.
>
> Am I off-base in my thinking, and should just not worry about XP
> disappearing in the next couple years?
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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>

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar  2 13:19:10 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 10:19:10 -0800
Subject: Test: live streaming 3d
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.000001FF00004B76@animabit.de>
References: <DIIE.000001FF00004B76@animabit.de>
Message-ID: <77B185CE-13E1-4814-8D27-BC9365950370@Cox.Net>

Hi,

You didn't sign your message, but the results are VERY interesting.  
What programs in runrev did you use?

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 2, 2007, at 9:16 AM, runrev at animabit.de wrote:

> Hello,
>
> does anyone have the time for a short test (please not all at the  
> same time !!! ;-)
>
> http://animabit.de/multimedia/video_live.html
> time: now from 18.30 to 19.00
> video streaming of 3d rooms partially created with programs in runrev
>
> Any suggestion to mailto:boehmisch at animabit.de
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar  2 13:28:53 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 12:28:53 -0600
Subject: XP and Vista question 
In-Reply-To: <C20D9EEE.43852%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C20D9EEE.43852%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070302122853403598.aba6dd14@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:29:18 -0800, Jim Ault wrote:

> Given that Microsoft will discontinue support for WinXP at some point in the
> future, what does this mean for those who setup to use virtuals (Boot Camp,
> Parallels, etc)?
> 
> It sounds like Vista will be too demanding to be used on a Mac in a virtual
> environ.  Since authorization is required for any install, it seems like the
> future will be that we are forced to use pirated copies since MS will want
> to force the upgrade to Vista.

Actually it's kind of worse than that. Microsoft does not allow any of 
the Basic or Home versions to be used in virtualilzed environments. You 
need to purchase the Business or Ultimate version to allow for that 
(BTW, they're getting a lot of heat for that, which they *should* IMHO).

As to being too demanding, it really isn't. I was running Vista RC 1 in 
Parallels before the official release on my MacBook Pro and it was 
running pretty well. 
 
> One of my goals in my two businesses is to use the Parallels solution, but
> this may have a short life expectancy.
> 
> Am I off-base in my thinking, and should just not worry about XP
> disappearing in the next couple years?

I'd figure it's more like 4-5 years at least - according to reviews and 
personal experience, Vista just doesn't have enough going for it to 
make people upgrade. New computers, of course, will come with Vista by 
default, but existing XP computers may not be upgraded to Vista for a 
long time.

Just my 2 cents...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar  2 13:48:39 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:48:39 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <45E87187.2090606@fourthworld.com>

Ken Ray wrote:
> Microsoft does not allow any of the Basic or Home versions to be used
> in virtualilzed environments. You need to purchase the Business or
> Ultimate version to allow for that (BTW, they're getting a lot of heat
>  for that, which they *should* IMHO).

Disappointing, but sadly not surprising.

I've never seen a company work so hard to piss people off....

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar  2 13:50:41 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:50:41 -0600
Subject: (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <52D398C7-C893-11DB-BF0C-0003938374A8@free.fr>
References: <52D398C7-C893-11DB-BF0C-0003938374A8@free.fr>
Message-ID: <45E87201.5060101@hyperactivesw.com>

hibis.jmr1 wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I would like to insert in my application a little music generated by 
> code and not by recording it previously.
> 
> I remember, when using hyperCard (it was the good time), this was very 
> simple, fo instance :
> play "boing" "f#5w c#3e a#4w"
> 
> is there a way to do something like that with revolution (I have not 
> found in the documentation)
> 
> Any suggestion to go this way ?
>

You can't do it with Revolution directly, but there is a work-around here:

<http://hyperactivesw.com/shakobox.html>

Shakobox only works with QuickTime musical instruments, and is a bit 
easier on Macs than on Windows. On Windows, writing to a file works best 
(writing to console is broken, I think.) The original author is no 
longer supporting this, so it is now offered as-is.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Fri Mar  2 13:55:20 2007
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:55:20 -0800
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
Message-ID: <45E87318.3010200@castandcrew.com>

Context:

Windows XP.  Microsoft Office environment.

I'm creating a desktop REV app for customer self service.

The customer needs info currently housed in a database (to which they
have no direct access) in MS Excel format on an on going basis.  Right now
this has to be done manually for them each time, and then emailed.

The app will have the necessary parameters (start date, end date,
etc.) including a file name to create.  It will hit the database (oh yeah,
I've tried to use the Rev ODBC drivers to no avail) using an http "post"
over the net to a CGI that will in turn run SQL queries, return the output
to the app, and the app will write the local file on the users machine.

Problem:

This file will be "text" (fixed column width) which then has to be
"imported" into Excel.  That works fine but it's extra steps for the
user to go through the import process and set the column markers to do
the imports (there are a lot of columns!).

Solution:

Anyone know of a plugin or feature in REV that will let us write out
.xls files directly?



From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Fri Mar  2 14:09:48 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:09:48 -0500
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <OF4C25A714.5BCB80FC-ON85257292.006785DF@sealedair.com>

On 03/02/2007 at 1:28 PM, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
> Actually it's kind of worse than that. Microsoft does not allow any of 
> the Basic or Home versions to be used in virtualilzed environments. You 
> need to purchase the Business or Ultimate version to allow for that 
> (BTW, they're getting a lot of heat for that, which they *should* IMHO).

I love running virtual machines too, but how is this any different than 
what Apple is doing? I have discussed virtialization of OS X with 
representatives of Parallels. Their response is that they have the 
technology to do it but Apple just won't let them. If Apple can make a 
business decision to control virtialization of their OS, why can MS not do 
the same? I understand that Apple is a smaller company trying to increase 
market share -for hardware-, but they are doing so by making someone elses 
product work with their product. In all fairness, both companies have the 
legal right to prevent their product from working on a competitive 
architecture IMHO.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From geir.myrestrand at falconstor.com  Fri Mar  2 14:14:24 2007
From: geir.myrestrand at falconstor.com (Geir A. Myrestrand)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 14:14:24 -0500
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <45E87318.3010200@castandcrew.com>
References: <45E87318.3010200@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <45E87790.60505@falconstor.com>

Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:
> Context:
> 
> Windows XP.  Microsoft Office environment.
> 
> I'm creating a desktop REV app for customer self service.
> 
> The customer needs info currently housed in a database (to which they
> have no direct access) in MS Excel format on an on going basis.  Right now
> this has to be done manually for them each time, and then emailed.
> 
> The app will have the necessary parameters (start date, end date,
> etc.) including a file name to create.  It will hit the database (oh yeah,
> I've tried to use the Rev ODBC drivers to no avail) using an http "post"
> over the net to a CGI that will in turn run SQL queries, return the output
> to the app, and the app will write the local file on the users machine.
> 
> Problem:
> 
> This file will be "text" (fixed column width) which then has to be
> "imported" into Excel.  That works fine but it's extra steps for the
> user to go through the import process and set the column markers to do
> the imports (there are a lot of columns!).
> 
> Solution:
> 
> Anyone know of a plugin or feature in REV that will let us write out
> .xls files directly?

It is easier to create CSV files (comma separated values), and these can 
be easily imported into Excel (or virtually any other spreadsheet).

-- 

Geir A. Myrestrand


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar  2 14:20:38 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:20:38 -0600
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <OF4C25A714.5BCB80FC-ON85257292.006785DF@sealedair.com>
References: <OF4C25A714.5BCB80FC-ON85257292.006785DF@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <20070302132038003580.247e3120@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:09:48 -0500, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:

> On 03/02/2007 at 1:28 PM, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>> Actually it's kind of worse than that. Microsoft does not allow any of 
>> the Basic or Home versions to be used in virtualilzed environments. You 
>> need to purchase the Business or Ultimate version to allow for that 
>> (BTW, they're getting a lot of heat for that, which they *should* IMHO).
> 
> I love running virtual machines too, but how is this any different than 
> what Apple is doing? I have discussed virtialization of OS X with 
> representatives of Parallels. Their response is that they have the 
> technology to do it but Apple just won't let them. If Apple can make a 
> business decision to control virtialization of their OS, why can MS not do 
> the same?

Well, IMHO, it's because of precedent. Apple has NEVER allowed 
virtualization of their OS, or even "approved" emulation (you always 
needed a ROM from a purchased machine). Microsoft, on the other hand, 
has never said anything about virtualization or emulation of their OS 
until Vista (AFAIK), and from the articles I've read there's no real 
reason Microsoft should allow one form of Vista and not another, 
although they state:

"For production machines and everyday usage, virtualization is a fairly 
new technology, and one which we think is not mature enough for broad 
consumer adoption. Today, customers using this technology are primarily 
business customers addressing application compatibility needs or 
technology enthusiasts. For everyday usage, Windows Vista Home and Home 
Premium cannot be installed in any virtual machine technology, but 
Business and Ultimate versions can. Each virtual installation of 
Windows requires a new license just as it did for Windows XP."

For more on this, take a look at these articles:

http://weblog.infoworld.com/virtualization/archives/2006/10/the_truth_about.html
http://www.virtualizationdaily.com/archives/39_the-truth-about-vista-virtualization-licensing.html. 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar  2 14:22:09 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 13:22:09 -0600
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <20070302122853403598.aba6dd14@sonsothunder.com>
References: <C20D9EEE.43852%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<20070302122853403598.aba6dd14@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <45E87961.6010008@hyperactivesw.com>

Ken Ray wrote:

> I'd figure it's more like 4-5 years at least - according to reviews and 
> personal experience, Vista just doesn't have enough going for it to 
> make people upgrade. New computers, of course, will come with Vista by 
> default, but existing XP computers may not be upgraded to Vista for a 
> long time.

Not only that, but I've talked to several people who say they will 
refuse to install Vista for any reason because of its draconian DRM 
scheme. One guy told me, "Why should I do an expensive upgrade that will 
just limit the way I can use my computer?"

I expect the uptake will be slower than usual.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar  2 14:25:05 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:25:05 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <45E87A11.3080901@fourthworld.com>

Roger.E.Eller wrote;
> On 03/02/2007 at 1:28 PM, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>> Actually it's kind of worse than that. Microsoft does not allow any of 
>> the Basic or Home versions to be used in virtualilzed environments. You 
>> need to purchase the Business or Ultimate version to allow for that 
>> (BTW, they're getting a lot of heat for that, which they *should* IMHO).
> 
> I love running virtual machines too, but how is this any different than 
> what Apple is doing?

At least Apple has a business viability reason:  Apple sells computers, 
so if someone can run OS X on a non-Apple computer they lose a lot of money.

But Microsoft doesn't sell computers, only operating systems.  It 
doesn't affect them in any way whether I run my legally-purchased copy 
of Windows on a box made by Dell, or Gateway, Apple, or build my own 
with parts from Fry's.  Microsoft makes the same amount of money no 
matter where I run the OS.

I guess now that the dozens of class-action suits against MS have slowed 
down the company is feeling lonely and acting out to get attention. :)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Fri Mar  2 14:28:55 2007
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:28:55 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <45E87187.2090606@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E87187.2090606@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <448641AD-A50C-4E94-A1FD-BA96C6E613BB@cruzio.com>

Fantastic news.  I just ordered a Home Version of XP to use with  
Parallels.
Mark

On Mar 2, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Ken Ray wrote:
>> Microsoft does not allow any of the Basic or Home versions to be used
>> in virtualilzed environments. You need to purchase the Business or
>> Ultimate version to allow for that (BTW, they're getting a lot of  
>> heat
>>  for that, which they *should* IMHO).
>
> Disappointing, but sadly not surprising.
>
> I've never seen a company work so hard to piss people off....
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Fri Mar  2 14:32:57 2007
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:32:57 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <45E87187.2090606@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E87187.2090606@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B2234DEB-3453-4A71-87E2-4C02C9EB21B5@cruzio.com>

Hmmmm.  Is it just OEM Home versions that aren't supported?  Looking  
below it would seem that Home versions are supported.

Mark

 From the Parallels site:

Supported Guest Operating Systems

Microsoft Windows Guest Operating Systems:

? Windows Vista Business
? Windows Vista Enterprise
? Windows Vista Ultimate
? Windows 2003 Standard Edition SP0
? Windows 2003 Standard Edition SP1
? Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition SP0
? Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition SP1
? Windows 2003 Web Edition SP0
? Windows 2003 Web Edition SP1
? Windows XP SP2 Professional
? Windows XP SP2 Home
? Windows XP SP1 Professional
? Windows XP SP1 Home
? Windows XP SP0 Professional
? Windows XP SP0 Home
? Windows 2000 Professional Edition SP4
? Windows 2000 Server SP4
? Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4
? Windows NT Workstation 4.0 SP6 ? Windows NT Server 4.0 SP6
? Windows ME
? Windows 98
? Windows 95
? Windows 3.11
? Windows 3.1

On Mar 2, 2007, at 10:48 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Ken Ray wrote:
>> Microsoft does not allow any of the Basic or Home versions to be used
>> in virtualilzed environments. You need to purchase the Business or
>> Ultimate version to allow for that (BTW, they're getting a lot of  
>> heat
>>  for that, which they *should* IMHO).
>
> Disappointing, but sadly not surprising.
>
> I've never seen a company work so hard to piss people off....
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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>

"Many of life's failures are people who did not realize how close  
they were to success when they gave up."
-Thomas Edison





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar  2 14:39:14 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:39:14 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <45E87D62.1040007@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Ken Ray wrote:
> 
>> I'd figure it's more like 4-5 years at least - according to reviews and 
>> personal experience, Vista just doesn't have enough going for it to 
>> make people upgrade. New computers, of course, will come with Vista by 
>> default, but existing XP computers may not be upgraded to Vista for a 
>> long time.
> 
> Not only that, but I've talked to several people who say they will 
> refuse to install Vista for any reason because of its draconian DRM 
> scheme. One guy told me, "Why should I do an expensive upgrade that will 
> just limit the way I can use my computer?"
> 
> I expect the uptake will be slower than usual.

It's tragic for the entire computing world that the Linux community 
can't get its collective act together.  It can and should replace 
Windows, but with such a dizzying variety of distros most users just walk.

Some day, some day....

And when that day happens, when the Linux community standardizes on one 
distro universally regarded as THE consumer distro, Linux will take half 
of Microsoft's market share in under five years.

But with all of the attitudes preciousness surrounding each of the Linux 
distros, I can't begin to guess when that day will come.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  2 14:53:18 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:53:18 -0800
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <45E87790.60505@falconstor.com>
Message-ID: <C20DC0AE.43888%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

As far as I know, there is nothing in Rev that would easily allow an xls
format to be written, even with "binary" capability.  My solution would be
to generate the xls file on the source machine using Office and Rev plus
(AppleScript/Mac or VBS/Win), then distribute the xls file.

There are several ways to go about this, but your basic requirement is that
the customer recieves an xls workbook file.  The minor questions relate to
which version of Excel you distribute (XL8, etc.)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/2/07 11:14 AM, "Geir A. Myrestrand" <geir.myrestrand at falconstor.com>
wrote:

> Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:
>> Context:
>> 
>> Windows XP.  Microsoft Office environment.
>> 
>> I'm creating a desktop REV app for customer self service.
>> 
>> The customer needs info currently housed in a database (to which they
>> have no direct access) in MS Excel format on an on going basis.  Right now
>> this has to be done manually for them each time, and then emailed.
>> 
>> The app will have the necessary parameters (start date, end date,
>> etc.) including a file name to create.  It will hit the database (oh yeah,
>> I've tried to use the Rev ODBC drivers to no avail) using an http "post"
>> over the net to a CGI that will in turn run SQL queries, return the output
>> to the app, and the app will write the local file on the users machine.
>> 
>> Problem:
>> 
>> This file will be "text" (fixed column width) which then has to be
>> "imported" into Excel.  That works fine but it's extra steps for the
>> user to go through the import process and set the column markers to do
>> the imports (there are a lot of columns!).
>> 
>> Solution:
>> 
>> Anyone know of a plugin or feature in REV that will let us write out
>> .xls files directly?
> 
> It is easier to create CSV files (comma separated values), and these can
> be easily imported into Excel (or virtually any other spreadsheet).




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar  2 14:58:09 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 11:58:09 -0800
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
Message-ID: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>

Jim Ault wrote:
> As far as I know, there is nothing in Rev that would easily allow an xls
> format to be written, even with "binary" capability. 

I thought MS was using XML for Office formats these day, no?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From wow at together.net  Fri Mar  2 15:14:08 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:14:08 -0700
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <295D6C79-F6A6-45A0-AE7A-468C584780EE@together.net>

Will "lock messages" halt "pending messages" from occurring until an  
unlock messages command is sent?

I need to have all pending messages that relate to file transfers to  
wait until a foreground file transfer is complete. I'm thinking that  
"lock messages" will do that. If not, is there another way?

Thanks.
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  2 15:48:51 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:48:51 -0800
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C20DCDB3.43899%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/2/07 11:58 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Jim Ault wrote:
>> As far as I know, there is nothing in Rev that would easily allow an xls
>> format to be written, even with "binary" capability.
> 
> I thought MS was using XML for Office formats these day, no?

I think the original question is how to distribute a file that the user does
not have to do an extra step of importing, thus distribute a spreadsheet
format containing the data.  You are correct about XML being used,
especially working with address book entries where tags allow field, style,
format, etc to be included in the data file.

Text files( like CSV or tab delim, etc) can contain the raw data values and
possibly headers, but no formatting, etc.

Excel workbooks are saved as "myAccountingData.xls" and thus the XLS format
is the actual workbook (containing worksheets, macros, charts, pivot tables,
etc).  Rev does not have a way of creating an Excel workbook file.

I distribute web-extracted data (using Rev) to a text file that gets
imported into various workbooks, and I designed the workbooks to import and
format the data properly with one user click on the toolbar button "Refresh
All" on the external data tool bar.  The setup is a little tricky, but works
for the client.  I could go a bit further and make a VBA script that would
handle the import of the text file.

I hope this answers the original question, but I may have gotten the wrong
idea.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar  2 15:50:20 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 12:50:20 -0800
Subject: Pendingmessages
Message-ID: <45E88E0C.10908@fourthworld.com>

Richard Miller wrote:
> Will "lock messages" halt "pending messages" from occurring until an  
> unlock messages command is sent?

Pending messages are only sent at idle, and "lock messages" no longer 
has effect once idle hits should there should be no conflict.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar  2 16:00:10 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:00:10 -0600
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <B2234DEB-3453-4A71-87E2-4C02C9EB21B5@cruzio.com>
References: <45E87187.2090606@fourthworld.com>
	<B2234DEB-3453-4A71-87E2-4C02C9EB21B5@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <20070302150010339424.cd39dd71@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:32:57 -0800, Mark Swindell wrote:

> Hmmmm.  Is it just OEM Home versions that aren't supported?  Looking 
> below it would seem that Home versions are supported.
> 
> Mark
> 
> From the Parallels site:
> 
> Supported Guest Operating Systems
> 
> Microsoft Windows Guest Operating Systems:
> 
> ? Windows Vista Business
> ? Windows Vista Enterprise
> ? Windows Vista Ultimate

No, you see in your list you don't have Windows Vista Home Basic or 
Windows Vista Home Premium - these are not supported.

> ? Windows 2003 Standard Edition SP0
> ? Windows 2003 Standard Edition SP1
> ? Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition SP0
> ? Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition SP1
> ? Windows 2003 Web Edition SP0
> ? Windows 2003 Web Edition SP1
> ? Windows XP SP2 Professional
> ? Windows XP SP2 Home
> ? Windows XP SP1 Professional
> ? Windows XP SP1 Home
> ? Windows XP SP0 Professional
> ? Windows XP SP0 Home
> ? Windows 2000 Professional Edition SP4
> ? Windows 2000 Server SP4
> ? Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4
> ? Windows NT Workstation 4.0 SP6 ? Windows NT Server 4.0 SP6
> ? Windows ME
> ? Windows 98
> ? Windows 95
> ? Windows 3.11
> ? Windows 3.1

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar  2 16:02:41 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 15:02:41 -0600
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <295D6C79-F6A6-45A0-AE7A-468C584780EE@together.net>
References: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
	<295D6C79-F6A6-45A0-AE7A-468C584780EE@together.net>
Message-ID: <20070302150241631794.8be95253@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:14:08 -0700, Richard Miller wrote:

> Will "lock messages" halt "pending messages" from occurring until an 
> unlock messages command is sent?
> 
> I need to have all pending messages that relate to file transfers to 
> wait until a foreground file transfer is complete. I'm thinking that 
> "lock messages" will do that. If not, is there another way?

I don't think that lock messages will affect pending messages. Here's 
an approach I've used that works pretty well, so long as you don't have 
really complex messaging needs:

on PausePending pMsg
  global gPendingMessages
  put the pendingMessages into tPending
  if (pMsg <> "") and (pMsg <> "all") then filter tPending with "*," & 
pMsg & ",*"
  put tPending into gPendingMessages
  repeat for each line tMsg in tPending
    cancel item 1 of tMsg
  end repeat
end PausePending

on ResumePending pMsg
  global gPendingMessages
  put gPendingMessages into tPending
  if (pMsg <> "") and (pMsg <> "all") then 
    filter tPending with "*," & pMsg & ",*"
    filter gPendingMessages without "*," & pMsg & ",*"
  else
    delete global gPendingMessages
  end if

  -- Resend the messages
  repeat for each line tLine in tPending
    put item 3 of tLine into tCmd
    put item 4 of tLine into tTarget
    do "send" && quote & tCmd & quote && "to" && tTarget
  end repeat
end ResumePending

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Fri Mar  2 16:03:31 2007
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:03:31 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <20070302150010339424.cd39dd71@sonsothunder.com>
References: <45E87187.2090606@fourthworld.com>
	<B2234DEB-3453-4A71-87E2-4C02C9EB21B5@cruzio.com>
	<20070302150010339424.cd39dd71@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <991736C8-160E-47EF-9B06-77966CF0E57B@cruzio.com>

Ok.  That's the other maddening thing about the Windows lineup.  How  
many variants can there be?  How confusing can it get?  Jeez.
Mark

On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 11:32:57 -0800, Mark Swindell wrote:
>
>> Hmmmm.  Is it just OEM Home versions that aren't supported?  Looking
>> below it would seem that Home versions are supported.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> From the Parallels site:
>>
>> Supported Guest Operating Systems
>>
>> Microsoft Windows Guest Operating Systems:
>>
>> ? Windows Vista Business
>> ? Windows Vista Enterprise
>> ? Windows Vista Ultimate
>
> No, you see in your list you don't have Windows Vista Home Basic or
> Windows Vista Home Premium - these are not supported.
>
>> ? Windows 2003 Standard Edition SP0
>> ? Windows 2003 Standard Edition SP1
>> ? Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition SP0
>> ? Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition SP1
>> ? Windows 2003 Web Edition SP0
>> ? Windows 2003 Web Edition SP1
>> ? Windows XP SP2 Professional
>> ? Windows XP SP2 Home
>> ? Windows XP SP1 Professional
>> ? Windows XP SP1 Home
>> ? Windows XP SP0 Professional
>> ? Windows XP SP0 Home
>> ? Windows 2000 Professional Edition SP4
>> ? Windows 2000 Server SP4
>> ? Windows 2000 Advanced Server SP4
>> ? Windows NT Workstation 4.0 SP6 ? Windows NT Server 4.0 SP6
>> ? Windows ME
>> ? Windows 98
>> ? Windows 95
>> ? Windows 3.11
>> ? Windows 3.1
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From wow at together.net  Fri Mar  2 16:25:27 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 14:25:27 -0700
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <20070302150241631794.8be95253@sonsothunder.com>
References: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
	<295D6C79-F6A6-45A0-AE7A-468C584780EE@together.net>
	<20070302150241631794.8be95253@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <EBFF0F74-6DDB-4BA0-A9B8-AF64E85FCDCC@together.net>

Ken,

Yes, I was thinking of taking that approach, but if I understand  
Richard, he's saying that no pending messages could be effecting an  
ongoing ftp file transfer.... even if one of those pending messages  
was an ftp transfer scheduled for the same time as the ongoing transfer.

Am I understanding correctly?

Thanks.
Richard Miller


On Mar 2, 2007, at 2:02 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:14:08 -0700, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> Will "lock messages" halt "pending messages" from occurring until an
>> unlock messages command is sent?
>>
>> I need to have all pending messages that relate to file transfers to
>> wait until a foreground file transfer is complete. I'm thinking that
>> "lock messages" will do that. If not, is there another way?
>
> I don't think that lock messages will affect pending messages. Here's
> an approach I've used that works pretty well, so long as you don't  
> have
> really complex messaging needs:
>
> on PausePending pMsg
>   global gPendingMessages
>   put the pendingMessages into tPending
>   if (pMsg <> "") and (pMsg <> "all") then filter tPending with "*," &
> pMsg & ",*"
>   put tPending into gPendingMessages
>   repeat for each line tMsg in tPending
>     cancel item 1 of tMsg
>   end repeat
> end PausePending
>
> on ResumePending pMsg
>   global gPendingMessages
>   put gPendingMessages into tPending
>   if (pMsg <> "") and (pMsg <> "all") then
>     filter tPending with "*," & pMsg & ",*"
>     filter gPendingMessages without "*," & pMsg & ",*"
>   else
>     delete global gPendingMessages
>   end if
>
>   -- Resend the messages
>   repeat for each line tLine in tPending
>     put item 3 of tLine into tCmd
>     put item 4 of tLine into tTarget
>     do "send" && quote & tCmd & quote && "to" && tTarget
>   end repeat
> end ResumePending
>
> HTH,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From briany at qldlearning.com  Fri Mar  2 16:55:49 2007
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:55:49 -0800
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <20070302150241631794.8be95253@sonsothunder.com>
References: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
	<295D6C79-F6A6-45A0-AE7A-468C584780EE@together.net>
	<20070302150241631794.8be95253@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <63749CCA-8F47-4B09-BC28-70250880A182@qldlearning.com>

Ken,

Very clever... one question: how do you deal with the actual timing  
of those messages, or do these scripts assume that everything pending  
should be processed ASAP? Or am I confused (entirely possible!)?

- Brian

> I don't think that lock messages will affect pending messages. Here's
> an approach I've used that works pretty well, so long as you don't  
> have
> really complex messaging needs:
>
> on PausePending pMsg
>   global gPendingMessages
>   put the pendingMessages into tPending
>   if (pMsg <> "") and (pMsg <> "all") then filter tPending with "*," &
> pMsg & ",*"
>   put tPending into gPendingMessages
>   repeat for each line tMsg in tPending
>     cancel item 1 of tMsg
>   end repeat
> end PausePending
>
> on ResumePending pMsg
>   global gPendingMessages
>   put gPendingMessages into tPending
>   if (pMsg <> "") and (pMsg <> "all") then
>     filter tPending with "*," & pMsg & ",*"
>     filter gPendingMessages without "*," & pMsg & ",*"
>   else
>     delete global gPendingMessages
>   end if
>
>   -- Resend the messages
>   repeat for each line tLine in tPending
>     put item 3 of tLine into tCmd
>     put item 4 of tLine into tTarget
>     do "send" && quote & tCmd & quote && "to" && tTarget
>   end repeat
> end ResumePending


From calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ  Fri Mar  2 17:08:09 2007
From: calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ (Cal Horner)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:08:09 +1300 (New Zealand Daylight Time)
Subject: Bullit Points
Message-ID: <45E8A049.000003.01196@CALSBIGPC>

has anyone in the list been successful in putting bullet points into text
fields?

If so could you explain how you did this?

From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Fri Mar  2 17:11:02 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:11:02 -0600
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <20070302150241631794.8be95253@sonsothunder.com>
References: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
	<295D6C79-F6A6-45A0-AE7A-468C584780EE@together.net>
	<20070302150241631794.8be95253@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070302161013.02a88bf0@exchange.slg.com>

One problem here is that any parameters sent with the message will be lost, 
since pendingMessages does not contain parameter information.

At 03:02 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote:
>On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:14:08 -0700, Richard Miller wrote:
>
> > Will "lock messages" halt "pending messages" from occurring until an
> > unlock messages command is sent?
> >
> > I need to have all pending messages that relate to file transfers to
> > wait until a foreground file transfer is complete. I'm thinking that
> > "lock messages" will do that. If not, is there another way?
>
>I don't think that lock messages will affect pending messages. Here's
>an approach I've used that works pretty well, so long as you don't have
>really complex messaging needs:
>
>on PausePending pMsg
>   global gPendingMessages
>   put the pendingMessages into tPending
>   if (pMsg <> "") and (pMsg <> "all") then filter tPending with "*," &
>pMsg & ",*"
>   put tPending into gPendingMessages
>   repeat for each line tMsg in tPending
>     cancel item 1 of tMsg
>   end repeat
>end PausePending
>
>on ResumePending pMsg
>   global gPendingMessages
>   put gPendingMessages into tPending
>   if (pMsg <> "") and (pMsg <> "all") then
>     filter tPending with "*," & pMsg & ",*"
>     filter gPendingMessages without "*," & pMsg & ",*"
>   else
>     delete global gPendingMessages
>   end if
>
>   -- Resend the messages
>   repeat for each line tLine in tPending
>     put item 3 of tLine into tCmd
>     put item 4 of tLine into tTarget
>     do "send" && quote & tCmd & quote && "to" && tTarget
>   end repeat
>end ResumePending
>
>HTH,
>
>Ken Ray
>Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
>Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Mar  2 17:32:54 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 19:32:54 -0300
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20070302161013.02a88bf0@exchange.slg.com>
References: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
	<295D6C79-F6A6-45A0-AE7A-468C584780EE@together.net>
	<20070302150241631794.8be95253@sonsothunder.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070302161013.02a88bf0@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <9741C89E-9354-4F01-B659-99F284702DDB@mac.com>

I know it is a hack, but you can use a global and save/restore it's  
state when needed...

In case we had some nifty function, a cousin of the functiona  
'variableNames' that could access all the current variables in memory  
and their context, we could then freeze the engine state to some  
container and restore it or bits of it as we needed them.

This alone would give us means to create:
* continuations. (it would help  you to freeze a message from  
pendingMessage and restore it later)
* co-routines. (so we could have sort of cooperative threading in a  
single thread engine)

Cheers
andre


On Mar 2, 2007, at 7:11 PM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> One problem here is that any parameters sent with the message will  
> be lost, since pendingMessages does not contain parameter information.
>
> At 03:02 PM 3/2/2007, you wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:14:08 -0700, Richard Miller wrote:
>>
>> > Will "lock messages" halt "pending messages" from occurring  
>> until an
>> > unlock messages command is sent?
>> >
>> > I need to have all pending messages that relate to file  
>> transfers to
>> > wait until a foreground file transfer is complete. I'm thinking  
>> that
>> > "lock messages" will do that. If not, is there another way?
>>
>> I don't think that lock messages will affect pending messages. Here's
>> an approach I've used that works pretty well, so long as you don't  
>> have
>> really complex messaging needs:
>>
>> on PausePending pMsg
>>   global gPendingMessages
>>   put the pendingMessages into tPending
>>   if (pMsg <> "") and (pMsg <> "all") then filter tPending with  
>> "*," &
>> pMsg & ",*"
>>   put tPending into gPendingMessages
>>   repeat for each line tMsg in tPending
>>     cancel item 1 of tMsg
>>   end repeat
>> end PausePending
>>
>> on ResumePending pMsg
>>   global gPendingMessages
>>   put gPendingMessages into tPending
>>   if (pMsg <> "") and (pMsg <> "all") then
>>     filter tPending with "*," & pMsg & ",*"
>>     filter gPendingMessages without "*," & pMsg & ",*"
>>   else
>>     delete global gPendingMessages
>>   end if
>>
>>   -- Resend the messages
>>   repeat for each line tLine in tPending
>>     put item 3 of tLine into tCmd
>>     put item 4 of tLine into tTarget
>>     do "send" && quote & tCmd & quote && "to" && tTarget
>>   end repeat
>> end ResumePending
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Ken Ray
>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
>> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar  2 18:01:24 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:01:24 -0600
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <63749CCA-8F47-4B09-BC28-70250880A182@qldlearning.com>
References: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
	<295D6C79-F6A6-45A0-AE7A-468C584780EE@together.net>
	<20070302150241631794.8be95253@sonsothunder.com>
	<63749CCA-8F47-4B09-BC28-70250880A182@qldlearning.com>
Message-ID: <20070302170124452131.6eec5366@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:55:49 -0800, Brian Yennie wrote:

> Ken,
> 
> Very clever... one question: how do you deal with the actual timing 
> of those messages, or do these scripts assume that everything pending 
> should be processed ASAP? Or am I confused (entirely possible!)?

It assumes that everything pending should be processed immediately on 
ResumePending. Although it wouldn't be too hard to maintain some 
metadata for the "send in" interval, and subtract the actual amount of 
time elapsed just before pausing from that interval so that on Resume 
it would wait the remaining time and then execute...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From martinblackman at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 18:13:26 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 08:13:26 +0900
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <C20DCDB3.43899%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
	<C20DCDB3.43899%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70703021513k7acfc3edk8c467eab98936859@mail.gmail.com>

I've had good results working with Excel 2002 XML format.
You can get a comprehensive definition somewhere, but all I did was
'save as' from Excel on a few files into XML format and grok the
resulting XML files.  You can take the basics from one of those files
as a template for your file.

So what you need to do is write out your XML file from Rev but give
the file a '.xls' name, and then launch the document, works a charm.
One drawback to this method is that the file format doesn't cater for
images, charts or other objects. Hopefully the 2007 format will make
it easier to keep those features.

regards
Martin

On 03/03/07, Jim Ault <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 3/2/07 11:58 AM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
> > Jim Ault wrote:
> >> As far as I know, there is nothing in Rev that would easily allow an xls
> >> format to be written, even with "binary" capability.
> >
> > I thought MS was using XML for Office formats these day, no?
>
> I think the original question is how to distribute a file that the user does
> not have to do an extra step of importing, thus distribute a spreadsheet
> format containing the data.  You are correct about XML being used,
> especially working with address book entries where tags allow field, style,
> format, etc to be included in the data file.
>
> Text files( like CSV or tab delim, etc) can contain the raw data values and
> possibly headers, but no formatting, etc.
>
> Excel workbooks are saved as "myAccountingData.xls" and thus the XLS format
> is the actual workbook (containing worksheets, macros, charts, pivot tables,
> etc).  Rev does not have a way of creating an Excel workbook file.
>
> I distribute web-extracted data (using Rev) to a text file that gets
> imported into various workbooks, and I designed the workbooks to import and
> format the data properly with one user click on the toolbar button "Refresh
> All" on the external data tool bar.  The setup is a little tricky, but works
> for the client.  I could go a bit further and make a VBA script that would
> handle the import of the text file.
>
> I hope this answers the original question, but I may have gotten the wrong
> idea.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Mar  2 18:15:48 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 23:15:48 +0000
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <45E87D62.1040007@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E87D62.1040007@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <730F6A26-7468-4E63-8C4E-4B3633AC0EAC@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

A passing suggestion: Try Ubuntu 6.0.6 LTS. It now has installers for  
proprietary/'non-free' gfx card drivers, which used to be a bugbear  
withe some distros.
If you're looking for a little more eye candy then try Kubuntu.
All fits on one CD, and the Synaptic Package Manager is a breeze to  
use, although for the gfx drivers I used Envy from the terminal  
(Install Envy via Synaptic, logout, do a Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a  
terminal login. Login, run envy. Does ATI and Nvidia).
Running sweet on a 2 year old Dell.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 2 Mar 2007, at 19:39, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> Ken Ray wrote:
>>> I'd figure it's more like 4-5 years at least - according to  
>>> reviews and personal experience, Vista just doesn't have enough  
>>> going for it to make people upgrade. New computers, of course,  
>>> will come with Vista by default, but existing XP computers may  
>>> not be upgraded to Vista for a long time.
>> Not only that, but I've talked to several people who say they will  
>> refuse to install Vista for any reason because of its draconian  
>> DRM scheme. One guy told me, "Why should I do an expensive upgrade  
>> that will just limit the way I can use my computer?"
>> I expect the uptake will be slower than usual.
>
> It's tragic for the entire computing world that the Linux community  
> can't get its collective act together.  It can and should replace  
> Windows, but with such a dizzying variety of distros most users  
> just walk.
>
> Some day, some day....
>
> And when that day happens, when the Linux community standardizes on  
> one distro universally regarded as THE consumer distro, Linux will  
> take half of Microsoft's market share in under five years.
>
> But with all of the attitudes preciousness surrounding each of the  
> Linux distros, I can't begin to guess when that day will come.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar  2 18:21:28 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:21:28 -0600
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <45E87318.3010200@castandcrew.com>
References: <45E87318.3010200@castandcrew.com>
Message-ID: <20070302172128287685.09aecca4@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:55:20 -0800, Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:

> Problem:
> 
> This file will be "text" (fixed column width) which then has to be
> "imported" into Excel.  That works fine but it's extra steps for the
> user to go through the import process and set the column markers to do
> the imports (there are a lot of columns!).
> 
> Solution:
> 
> Anyone know of a plugin or feature in REV that will let us write out
> .xls files directly?

I tried this on a Mac and it worked well, so I'm hoping it works on XP 
as well:

Can you just write out your tab delimited data to a file with an 
extension of ".xls"? On a Mac, double-clicking it launches Excel and 
opens it as if it were a "true" Excel worksheet...

Give it a try and see if it works! If so, it's the easiest solution. :-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Fri Mar  2 18:26:05 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:26:05 -0600
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <20070302170124452131.6eec5366@sonsothunder.com>
References: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
	<295D6C79-F6A6-45A0-AE7A-468C584780EE@together.net>
	<20070302150241631794.8be95253@sonsothunder.com>
	<63749CCA-8F47-4B09-BC28-70250880A182@qldlearning.com>
	<20070302170124452131.6eec5366@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070302172457.03ed2b30@exchange.slg.com>

What I did was make a function that would cache a parameter for a 
message.  When I suspended messages, I calculated the renaming time, and 
when I resumed the messages, I used that as an offset from the current time 
to resend the messages, along with the parameter that I cached, if any, 
based on the message name.

At 05:01 PM 3/2/2007, Ken Ray wrote:
>On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 13:55:49 -0800, Brian Yennie wrote:
>
> > Ken,
> >
> > Very clever... one question: how do you deal with the actual timing
> > of those messages, or do these scripts assume that everything pending
> > should be processed ASAP? Or am I confused (entirely possible!)?
>
>It assumes that everything pending should be processed immediately on
>ResumePending. Although it wouldn't be too hard to maintain some
>metadata for the "send in" interval, and subtract the actual amount of
>time elapsed just before pausing from that interval so that on Resume
>it would wait the remaining time and then execute...
>
>
>Ken Ray
>Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
>Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar  2 18:33:05 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:33:05 -0700
Subject: Bullit Points
In-Reply-To: <45E8A049.000003.01196@CALSBIGPC>
References: <45E8A049.000003.01196@CALSBIGPC>
Message-ID: <BA28B64A-6D94-4A0C-9123-5290699FF752@byu.edu>

Cal,

On Mar 2, 2007, at 3:08 PM, Cal Horner wrote:

> has anyone in the list been successful in putting bullet points  
> into text
> fields?

I'm not sure if you're asking how to format the field or how to show  
the bullet character. Maybe this will help.
>
> If so could you explain how you did this?

A while back I was experimenting with processing HTML code and  
displaying it in fields (more robustly than Rev does natively.) I  
came up with the following snippet for replacing unordered list  
(<OL>) tags up to six nested levels. I had previously parsed through  
the HTML and figured out how deeply the <LI> tags were nested,  
temporarily replaced the LI tags with Ln, then replaced those with  
HTML encoded strings that included embedded unicode escape codes to  
represent the bulleted items in the lists.

   -- replace <li> tags with appropriate bullets
   put "&nbsp;&nbsp;" into padSp
   put "<font face=" & quote & "Osaka" & quote & " lang=" & quote &  
"ja" & quote & ">&#8226;</font> " into lev1Bullet
   put "<font face=" & quote & "Osaka" & quote & " lang=" & quote &  
"ja" & quote & ">&#9702;</font> " into lev2Bullet
   put "<font face=" & quote & "Osaka" & quote & " lang=" & quote &  
"ja" & quote & ">&#9642;</font> " into lev3Bullet
   replace "<l1>" with "<P>"&padSp&lev1Bullet in fixedHTML
   replace "<l2>" with "<P>"&padSp&padSp&lev2Bullet in fixedHTML
   replace "<12>" with "<P>"&padSp&"1. " in fixedHTML
   replace "<l3>" with "<P>"&padSp&padSp&padSp&lev3Bullet in fixedHTML
   replace "<l4>" with "<P>"&padSp&padSp&padSp&padSp&lev1bullet in  
fixedHTML
   replace "<l5>" with "<P>"&padSp&padSp&padSp&padSp&padSp&lev1bullet  
in fixedHTML
   replace "<l6>" with  
"<P>"&padSp&padSp&padSp&padSp&padSp&padSP&lev1bullet in fixedHTML

Once all of the replacements were made I set the htmltext of the  
display field to fixedHTML.

Kinda ugly, I know, but it was an interesting exercise.

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar  2 18:38:52 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:38:52 -0600
Subject: Bullit Points
In-Reply-To: <45E8A049.000003.01196@CALSBIGPC>
References: <45E8A049.000003.01196@CALSBIGPC>
Message-ID: <20070302173852370330.14c5ac76@sonsothunder.com>

On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:08:09 +1300 (New Zealand Daylight Time), Cal 
Horner wrote:

> has anyone in the list been successful in putting bullet points into text
> fields?

Is this manually, or from a script? Oh, and for what platform(s)?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Fri Mar  2 18:48:02 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:48:02 -0800
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <9741C89E-9354-4F01-B659-99F284702DDB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C20DF7B2.22FA6%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/2/07 2:32 PM, "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:

> In case we had some nifty function, a cousin of the functiona
> 'variableNames' that could access all the current variables in memory
> and their context, we could then freeze the engine state to some
> container and restore it or bits of it as we needed them.

Hi, Andre.

Capturing all the variables and their values from every context in the
executionContexts is doable, I think, but restoring the state of the engine
seems like magic.  Is thorough capturing and later restoring "bits" of it
sufficient, without trying to make the executionContexts function return
exactly the same value?

-- Dick




From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar  2 18:55:07 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:55:07 -0600
Subject: Patch for Answer Dialog?
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703012124n1417f96anbb41fc2707890027@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7aa52a210702261512g485404f4uda5bba8d283f15df@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160703012124n1417f96anbb41fc2707890027@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703021555l7db648b8t7102626bd4ee8dd1@mail.gmail.com>

Kay,

I believe it will, but I haven't yet checked it out on Mac's yet. It
works on PC's.

You can always try it and then undo your changes.

best,
Chipp


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  2 18:57:22 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:57:22 -0800
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <20070302172128287685.09aecca4@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <C20DF9E2.438C8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/2/07 3:21 PM, "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:>
> Can you just write out your tab delimited data to a file with an
> extension of ".xls"? On a Mac, double-clicking it launches Excel and
> opens it as if it were a "true" Excel worksheet...
> 
> Give it a try and see if it works! If so, it's the easiest solution. :-)

The only real catch I have found to the text file named as ".xls" is that
Excel insists on figuring out what you 'meant' to have imported and changes
are made to values.

Ken, I will have to admit that I am not using the latest Excel on my various
computers, so this may be the *real* gotcha for me.

When saved as a tab delimited file.xls, here are some examples of data
modifications I see:

a data point of "2-18" => date serial number of Feb 8th
sometimes dates have the year adjusted +/- 4 years
dates have their formats are re-adjusted but not always
leading '-' signs are interpreted as "this is a formula not a value"
leading '+' signs as indicators are removed
a "/" will be interpreted to be division
street addresses are changed depending on their content
embedded commas and quotes give unexpected results.
decimal values appear rounded to the default setting for Excel app

Things could be different now.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/2/07 3:21 PM, "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:55:20 -0800, Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote:
> 
>> Problem:
>> 
>> This file will be "text" (fixed column width) which then has to be
>> "imported" into Excel.  That works fine but it's extra steps for the
>> user to go through the import process and set the column markers to do
>> the imports (there are a lot of columns!).
>> 
>> Solution:
>> 
>> Anyone know of a plugin or feature in REV that will let us write out
>> .xls files directly?
> 
> I tried this on a Mac and it worked well, so I'm hoping it works on XP
> as well:
> 
> Can you just write out your tab delimited data to a file with an
> extension of ".xls"? On a Mac, double-clicking it launches Excel and
> opens it as if it were a "true" Excel worksheet...
> 
> Give it a try and see if it works! If so, it's the easiest solution. :-)
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar  2 18:58:07 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 15:58:07 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <45E8BA0F.5080607@fourthworld.com>

Luis wrote:
> A passing suggestion: Try Ubuntu 6.0.6 LTS. It now has installers for  
> proprietary/'non-free' gfx card drivers, which used to be a bugbear  
> withe some distros.
> If you're looking for a little more eye candy then try Kubuntu.
> All fits on one CD, and the Synaptic Package Manager is a breeze to  
> use, although for the gfx drivers I used Envy from the terminal  
> (Install Envy via Synaptic, logout, do a Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a  
> terminal login. Login, run envy. Does ATI and Nvidia).
> Running sweet on a 2 year old Dell.

Thanks to a recommendation from Phil Davis, I installed it two months 
ago and have been quite happy with it.  Much simpler and more well 
integrated than the Red Hat installation I used to use, and cheaper than 
my copy of Linspire.  Right now Ubuntu is my favorite Linux by far.

Now if only we can get some of the other distro builders to stop 
reinventing their wheels and contribute their resources to Ubuntu instead.

And when that happens (somewhere between the time pigs fly and when hell 
freezes over) we'll have to get the Gnome and KDE teams to integrate 
into a single fully kick-ass window manager.

When those two tasks are done, Linux will be well poised to kick 
Microsoft's butt on the desktop at least as effectively as they've done 
on the server.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar  2 19:00:38 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:00:38 -0600
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <45E87A11.3080901@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E87A11.3080901@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703021600m6b7b76b5v2d4b3edcb1b5917f@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/2/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> At least Apple has a business viability reason:  Apple sells computers,
> so if someone can run OS X on a non-Apple computer they lose a lot of money.

Hmmm.

Last I saw, Apple sold Operating systems...for even more than what I
pay for on Windows (XP Home OEM is < $99). I don't think they 'lose
money' when they sell their OS.

And please everyone, if you want to talk about draconian DRM issues
and proprietary (mis)dealings, you HAVE TO include Apple in THAT
discussion. For crying out loud, their getting their arses sued off in
Europe over the same issue.

I'm not defending MS's idiocy, but JEEZ.. fair is fair. Mac fanboys
not withstanding.


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar  2 19:08:19 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:08:19 -0600
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <2109646E-A630-4F04-AAD0-D07625B8A2D4@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<2109646E-A630-4F04-AAD0-D07625B8A2D4@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703021608u5a09d624ub5be506d925a7e91@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/2/07, Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:

> > And finally, is there any good / sane reason to use LibURLResetAll
> > in the standalone or is that just looking for trouble.
>
> I'd avoid it if you can. I've never included it in a standalone.

Dave, you certainly are the master (and inventor) of libURL..but,

I've been using resetAll for years now in my standalones.  When
requesting a file from a server, I enable a 'STOP' button and clicking
it will immediately kill the connection and reset the libURL settings
(callbacks etc..). I've never had any problems doing so. Is there
something I don't know?

TIA,
Chipp


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar  2 19:09:31 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2007 16:09:31 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <45E8BCBB.9060803@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:

> On 3/2/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
>> At least Apple has a business viability reason:  Apple sells computers,
>> so if someone can run OS X on a non-Apple computer they lose a lot of money.
> 
> Hmmm.
> 
> Last I saw, Apple sold Operating systems...for even more than what I
> pay for on Windows (XP Home OEM is < $99). I don't think they 'lose
> money' when they sell their OS.

Not directly, but since it's a key feature of their computers it does 
represent an opportunity cost.

In contrast, Microsoft doesn't sell computers at all.

> And please everyone, if you want to talk about draconian DRM issues
> and proprietary (mis)dealings, you HAVE TO include Apple in THAT
> discussion. For crying out loud, their getting their arses sued off in
> Europe over the same issue.

I hear you loud and clear on that one.  I have three MP3 players and 
none of them are from Apple (more features, lower price). I rarely buy 
anything through Apple store because they only sell in a proprietary format.

Here's the part I don't understand, though:  Steve Jobs has publicly 
said he would prefer to ditch the DRM, but that Apple does it because 
the record companies insist on it.  Why doesn't the EU take the record 
labels to court?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From briany at qldlearning.com  Fri Mar  2 19:14:01 2007
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:14:01 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210703021600m6b7b76b5v2d4b3edcb1b5917f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45E87A11.3080901@fourthworld.com>
	<7aa52a210703021600m6b7b76b5v2d4b3edcb1b5917f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36529DE5-EF7B-48D1-BA74-2DF25EC236CD@qldlearning.com>

> Last I saw, Apple sold Operating systems...for even more than what I
> pay for on Windows (XP Home OEM is < $99). I don't think they 'lose
> money' when they sell their OS.

I think the idea is that they make way more money off of the  
hardware. They could triple their OS market share, but if it cuts  
into their hardware sales they might actually be worse off.

Obviously they make money off of the OS, but de-coupling it from  
their hardware would be a net loss.

> And please everyone, if you want to talk about draconian DRM issues
> and proprietary (mis)dealings, you HAVE TO include Apple in THAT
> discussion. For crying out loud, their getting their arses sued off in
> Europe over the same issue.
>
> I'm not defending MS's idiocy, but JEEZ.. fair is fair. Mac fanboys
> not withstanding.

Agreed. It seems there is no good guy in the DRM world, just degrees  
of evil. Ugh.

Please, enough with "fanboy" though... it's an awfully condescending  
term for a pretty well-educated crowd, even if you do think some of  
us are nuts in this particular debate.

- Brian


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar  2 19:15:15 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:15:15 -0600
Subject: callbacks
In-Reply-To: <43298C44-B040-45D6-915A-82E9626E521E@major-k.de>
References: <F9B41369-4337-45A3-83F5-319E63C24C34@widged.com>
	<43298C44-B040-45D6-915A-82E9626E521E@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703021615j3f0db746kddea2bad9d9de522@mail.gmail.com>

You know, you can create callbacks in libraries, too. Just make sure
you know the control objID from which a library call was made, then
send a message back to the object after a handler is completed. This
is really handy for out of process stuff. Don't forget to have a
callback handler in your library to 'catch' the callback in case it
isn't handled by the calling object.

For instance, say you have a generic internet lib which has a bunch of
stuff in it to handle downloads, etc..

You might have a callback "ImBusy" sent to an object which is
downloading a file which has a script associated with it in the
originating object:

on ImBusy pBool,pMsg
   if pBool is true then
     (turn on animation gif)
   else
     (turn off animation gif)
   end if
   put pMsg into fld "theStatus"
end ImBusy

then in your library, you might have the same callback handled
differently, just in case your object didn't handle it.

on ImBusy pBool,pMsg
    (add pMsg to the logfile)
end ImBusy

-Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar  2 19:22:18 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:22:18 -0600
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <295D6C79-F6A6-45A0-AE7A-468C584780EE@together.net>
References: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
	<295D6C79-F6A6-45A0-AE7A-468C584780EE@together.net>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703021622q6366b842na868a809150c7547@mail.gmail.com>

Another nugget from Ken Ray's war chest involves canceling a pending
message. I find this helpful as a first statement after receiving and
starting to executecthe message. IOW, make sure and kill all pending
same messages so there's no 'backlog' which can create quite a
confusion when debugging!

Thanks Ken.

on CancelPending pWhat
  if pWhat = "" then put "all" into pWhat
  switch pWhat
  case "all"
    repeat with x = (the number of lines of the pendingmessages) down to 1
      cancel (item 1 of line x of the pendingMessages)
    end repeat
    break
  default
    repeat with x = (the number of lines of the pendingmessages) down to 1
      if line x of the pendingMessages contains ("," & pWhat & ",") then
        cancel (item 1 of line x of the pendingMessages)
      end if
    end repeat
    break
  end switch
end CancelPending


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar  2 19:52:11 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:52:11 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210703021600m6b7b76b5v2d4b3edcb1b5917f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45E87A11.3080901@fourthworld.com>
	<7aa52a210703021600m6b7b76b5v2d4b3edcb1b5917f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c20e76a8e253@[192.168.1.106]>

Chipp, how can you say this? You and I know Jobs has called for the 
end of DRM on music; "the labels made him do it"  -- and thank god 
there's no DRM on the OSX installations.



>
>And please everyone, if you want to talk about draconian DRM issues
>and proprietary (mis)dealings, you HAVE TO include Apple in THAT
>discussion. For crying out loud, their getting their arses sued off in
>Europe over the same issue.
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Mar  2 20:00:13 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 01:00:13 +0000
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <45E8BCBB.9060803@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E8BCBB.9060803@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CECDE3D6-67E5-44BD-AC76-73F671426A52@maseurope.net>



On 3 Mar 2007, at 00:09, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Here's the part I don't understand, though:  Steve Jobs has  
> publicly said he would prefer to ditch the DRM, but that Apple does  
> it because the record companies insist on it.  Why doesn't the EU  
> take the record labels to court?

Because the EU has no problem with DRM, as such, but it does with  
proprietary DRM such as Apples. The thrust of the case seems to be to  
force Apple to license its "Fairplay" DRM to other companies to allow  
interoperability - currently, songs bought from the iTunes Store are  
playable only in iTunes and on iPods.

The shame of it is that the EU has missed the opportunity to attack  
DRM in general. Still, on the bright side, the major labels are  
pretty much condemning themselves to becoming simple catalogue  
companies, so these things will probably work themselves out anyway.  
IMO, of course :)

Best,

Mark





From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar  2 21:57:19 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 20:57:19 -0600
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c20e76a8e253@192.168.1.106>
References: <45E87A11.3080901@fourthworld.com>
	<7aa52a210703021600m6b7b76b5v2d4b3edcb1b5917f@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240802c20e76a8e253@192.168.1.106>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703021857i2d8f4368j73fc50d2e44e7710@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/2/07, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
> Chipp, how can you say this? You and I know Jobs has called for the
> end of DRM on music; "the labels made him do it"  -- and thank god
> there's no DRM on the OSX installations

With Apple, there's no fair playing with other hardware. Buy Apple
software, be it music, applications, or even applications which run
only on Apple computers, and you're stuck with only Apple hardware. If
Jobs is so concerned about the end of DRM, why does he preclude anyone
else from playing (or licensing) his DRM? (Or licensing his Mac OSX?)

Hey, as I said, Apple's not the only bad guy in this. It's just I
can't get over how blindly patriotic Apple users are to the brand.
Brian, you're right about the term 'fanboy,' it is condescending, but
I don't know what else to use to describe it.

Even his latest invention, the iPhone has the same suite of problems.
>From what I hear, even developers can't write applications for it.
Sounds like the old TI-99 game console.

I suppose the reason is as Richard said, Apple has a decided economic
advantage by locking people into their standard. I
understand..capitalism at it's best. But, Stephen, just as long as we
aren't fooled into thinking there's any altruistic motives at play.


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar  2 22:20:45 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:20:45 -0600
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210703021857i2d8f4368j73fc50d2e44e7710@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45E87A11.3080901@fourthworld.com>
	<7aa52a210703021600m6b7b76b5v2d4b3edcb1b5917f@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240802c20e76a8e253@192.168.1.106>
	<7aa52a210703021857i2d8f4368j73fc50d2e44e7710@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703021920v6319b928x95fe28a34fa57be8@mail.gmail.com>

Just so no one thinks I *hate* Apple...

I own a ton of iPods, my Wife has 2, my daughter 1, and myself 2. They
just have the best design and software, hands down of anyone else. I
just never purchase music from their store. While I'm not all that
comfortable using a Mac, I own 2 of them, including a recent MacBook
which IMO is a screaming value at $1249. For the most part, I really
like the design as well, plus it works great with Bootcamp and
Parallels.

I think Apple and Sony still create the best designs for laptops.

Though, my Dad recently purchased a new HP Vista laptop today, and he
also got a great deal.

Intel Core 2 Duo Processor T5200, 1.6GHz, with Centrino Technology,
2GB RAM, 160GB Hard Drive, 17-inch WXGA+ TFT NVidia Display, 8X
DVD+/RW Drive, Windows Vista Home Premium -- Also $1249.

His is the 'very large' 17" one with full keyboard. Not really
portable, but luggable. Tested my apps on it today and for the most
part they all worked. It comes preconfigured for the primary user as
Admin-- which of course helps.


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar  2 23:03:02 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 22:03:02 -0600
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210703021622q6366b842na868a809150c7547@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
	<295D6C79-F6A6-45A0-AE7A-468C584780EE@together.net>
	<7aa52a210703021622q6366b842na868a809150c7547@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070302220302946083.3e0c91fc@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 18:22:18 -0600, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Another nugget from Ken Ray's war chest involves canceling a pending
> message. I find this helpful as a first statement after receiving and
> starting to executecthe message. IOW, make sure and kill all pending
> same messages so there's no 'backlog' which can create quite a
> confusion when debugging!
> 
> Thanks Ken.
> 
> on CancelPending pWhat
>  if pWhat = "" then put "all" into pWhat
>  switch pWhat
>  case "all"
>    repeat with x = (the number of lines of the pendingmessages) down to 1
>      cancel (item 1 of line x of the pendingMessages)
>    end repeat
>    break
>  default
>    repeat with x = (the number of lines of the pendingmessages) down to 1
>      if line x of the pendingMessages contains ("," & pWhat & ",") then
>        cancel (item 1 of line x of the pendingMessages)
>      end if
>    end repeat
>    break
>  end switch
> end CancelPending

Thanks, Chipp, but my warchest has a more compact, but just as 
efficient version of CancelPending:

on CancelPending pMsg
  put the pendingMessages into tPending
  if (pMsg <> "") and (pMsg <> "all") then filter tPending with "*," & 
pMsg & ",*"
  repeat for each line tMsg in tPending
    cancel item 1 of tMsg
  end repeat
end CancelPending

Ain't Rev great?  :-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From cszasz at mac.com  Sat Mar  3 00:06:33 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 00:06:33 -0500
Subject: Saving Question
Message-ID: <D403D469-EF8C-414C-A4AB-74C1D4E57F58@mac.com>

My program does math calculations. I know that you can save a set of  
cards. I want to be able to save a set of cards each time the user  
uses the program so that the user can open what was save in the  
program from a previous session or sessions. How can I do this?

Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar  3 00:32:38 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:32:38 -0800
Subject: Saving Question
In-Reply-To: <D403D469-EF8C-414C-A4AB-74C1D4E57F58@mac.com>
References: <D403D469-EF8C-414C-A4AB-74C1D4E57F58@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A8BE8198-5031-4199-9BDB-AB916A2E8BE5@Cox.Net>

Hi Charles,
This is what I am using in the File Menu of my newest stack:

case "Save..."
     ask "Enter Name to be saved as:" -- use whatever wording you  
want here.
     if it is empty then exit menuPick
     save this stack as the defaultFolder &"/"&it
     break
If you don't know where or what the default folder is, open the msg  
box and enter "put thedefaultFolder" into it and press return.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 2, 2007, at 9:06 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:

> My program does math calculations. I know that you can save a set  
> of cards. I want to be able to save a set of cards each time the  
> user uses the program so that the user can open what was save in  
> the program from a previous session or sessions. How can I do this?
>
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com
>
>
>
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From alex at harryscollar.com  Sat Mar  3 00:58:05 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 15:58:05 +1000
Subject: Transcript Language Module for UltraEdit
In-Reply-To: <A8BE8198-5031-4199-9BDB-AB916A2E8BE5@Cox.Net>
References: <D403D469-EF8C-414C-A4AB-74C1D4E57F58@mac.com>
	<A8BE8198-5031-4199-9BDB-AB916A2E8BE5@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <45E90E6D.9090305@harryscollar.com>

Hi

Does anyone have a copy of Xavier's old Transcript module for ultraedit 
or setup one themselves?

regards
alex



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  3 02:42:39 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 07:42:39 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Key Speaker
Message-ID: <20070303074239.77861.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just used RevOnline's nifty 'update' feature to 'Up'
the revised version of the 'Key Speaker' stack after
Glenn Fisher very kindly pointed out that "divide" was
not working:

Thanks Glenn!

Feedback is what good, collaborative programming is
all about.

By-the-way: after the messages about Switch versus IF
loops I changed the 'Key Speaker' routines (and there
is a lot of them - 95% of the keyboard!) to Switch and
it does seem marginally more efficient - although that
is an impressionistic statement.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Mar  3 04:00:52 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 09:00:52 +0000
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <45E87187.2090606@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E87187.2090606@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <200703030900.52691.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

I doubt whether the restrictions on virtualisation are valid and legally 
enforceable.

If you have bought a retail copy of Vista, I believe MS will have no legal 
authority to tell you what you can and cannot run it on.  This is because, at 
least in the EU, post sales restrictions on use are anti-competitive and thus 
unenforceable.

However, MS can certainly tell you not to run more than one copy at once, 
because to do that would violate copyright.   So if you do run it in virtual 
mode, that copy must be the only copy.  They can also make it detect a 
virtual environment and refuse to boot, if that is technically possible.  But 
to stop a use purely by post sales restrictions on use, where that use is 
technically possible - its very dubious.

I believe that whatever the EULA says on this is immaterial, not because EULA 
conditions are not binding.  They may be, depending on what they are.  But 
because these particular conditions cannot be binding whether in a EULA or 
anything else.

In the same way, a car company cannot forbid you to use the car you have 
bought for hire, or to drive in Spain, or to use with tires other than a 
certain brand.  They can of course void your warranty if you do some things 
which have reasonable bearing on warranties.  But they can't forbid it.  A CD 
company cannot make you buy a particular brand of player to be legally able 
to play their CDs.  Tesco cannot force you to use their herbs with the steaks 
they sell, or only grill them in Tesco pans.  Or never share one 
labelled 'one dinner' between two.   And so on.

The position is similar with MacOS.  I don't believe Apple, purely by a post 
sales restriction on use, can get enforceable ability to stop you running X 
on whatever machine you want, as long as you do not violate copyright.  There 
may be other ways in which they can stop you.  And they can 'persuade' 
companies like Parallels not to support virtualisation of X.

The same is also true of Office:  I believe MS cannot prevent you from running 
it under Wine, and cannot insist you run it under a copy of Windows.

I also believe that when you buy a retail copy of any of these things, you 
have participated in a sale, and have not met the legal conditions of simply 
licensing the product.  Just as when you buy a steak.  No, you didn't license 
a one time use of that steak, you bought it.

If considering getting involved in court proceedings on this one, please take 
expert legal advice and do research first, don't rely on the above.   This is 
just lay opinion.  But also, don't assume without checking that every EULA 
clause is enforceable in every jurisdiction.  They may not be.  And just 
because a company calls it a license, don't assume automatically it is not 
legally a sale.  It may be.  Its a minefield out there, and it all needs 
checking, and you cannot confidently take a supplier's word for what your 
rights are or are not without making sure he is not pulling a fast one.

Peter


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Mar  3 04:16:34 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 09:16:34 +0000
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E881D1.5080904@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <200703030916.35045.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307021

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/288215

It evidently can be done.  

On Friday 02 March 2007 19:58, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Jim Ault wrote:
> > As far as I know, there is nothing in Rev that would easily allow an xls
> > format to be written, even with "binary" capability.
>
> I thought MS was using XML for Office formats these day, no?


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sat Mar  3 04:33:35 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 09:33:35 +0000
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210703021608u5a09d624ub5be506d925a7e91@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<2109646E-A630-4F04-AAD0-D07625B8A2D4@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210703021608u5a09d624ub5be506d925a7e91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7A240CE6-F2A9-43AB-8ABA-1E1BB42BBB59@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 3 Mar 2007, at 00:08, Chipp Walters wrote:

> On 3/2/07, Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> > And finally, is there any good / sane reason to use LibURLResetAll
>> > in the standalone or is that just looking for trouble.
>>
>> I'd avoid it if you can. I've never included it in a standalone.
>
> Dave, you certainly are the master (and inventor) of libURL..but,

Not the inventor. Fixer and sometime feature-adder, perhaps. :-)

>
> I've been using resetAll for years now in my standalones.  When
> requesting a file from a server, I enable a 'STOP' button and clicking
> it will immediately kill the connection and reset the libURL settings
> (callbacks etc..). I've never had any problems doing so. Is there
> something I don't know?

Probably not. :-)

It does two things:

1.  It closes *all* open sockets. This could be a problem if you have  
sockets open for other reasons.

2. It deletes all its own scipt local variables. This includes any  
urlCache content. This shouldn't be a problem, but a few problems  
have been reported when libUrlResetAll is called and then, in the  
same handler, a subsequent url call will fail. It's as if the engine  
doesn't delete the script locals synchronously, but decides to wipe  
them out just when the next url call sets them.

In most cases, neither of these will be a problem. Your Stop button  
example should be fine. (Except for any lost cache data.)

Cheers
Dave


From martinblackman at gmail.com  Sat Mar  3 04:43:33 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 18:43:33 +0900
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <20070302172128287685.09aecca4@sonsothunder.com>
References: <45E87318.3010200@castandcrew.com>
	<20070302172128287685.09aecca4@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70703030143v6b3ff908s1d55cf6a6bac48ec@mail.gmail.com>

Ken
I see there's a nice example of writing to Excel on your website using
vbscript. Is this the sort of thing that might trigger anti-virus
programs ? I just tried it on 2 machines successfully with no
anti-virus problems myself.
Would you be good enough to expand on that example to setting/getting
data from named cells or ranges ?

regards
Martin

>
> Give it a try and see if it works! If so, it's the easiest solution. :-)
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sat Mar  3 04:58:15 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 09:58:15 +0000
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <200703030900.52691.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45E87187.2090606@fourthworld.com>
	<200703030900.52691.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9AC64318-96AE-4C95-B7CA-36225051396C@lacscentre.co.uk>

Hi

One for the lawyers...

I read a lot about this restriction of using some editions of Vista  
with virtual systems, but is it absolutely clear this use is  
restricted? The following is the sentence from the EULA that I have  
seen quoted in many places:


?USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may not use the software  
installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise  
emulated) hardware system.?

I've never seen this placed in the wider context of the entire  
license, but I wonder what the phrase "licensed device" refers to. Is  
the device in this case the disk that contains Vista? If so, then it  
seems clear you can't use it on a virtual system (legal challenges  
notwithstanding). But the wording sounds to me more like an OEM  
license, where "licensed device" is the computer you bought which  
already had Vista installed. In that case, I don't think it's so  
different from existing OEM licensing of Windows.

Can anyone clear this up?

Cheers
Dave

From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Sat Mar  3 05:23:45 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 10:23:45 +0000
Subject: Transcript Language Module for UltraEdit
In-Reply-To: <45E90E6D.9090305@harryscollar.com>
References: <D403D469-EF8C-414C-A4AB-74C1D4E57F58@mac.com>	<A8BE8198-5031-4199-9BDB-AB916A2E8BE5@Cox.Net>
	<45E90E6D.9090305@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <45E94CB1.2030904@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Alex Shaw wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Does anyone have a copy of Xavier's old Transcript module for ultraedit 
> or setup one themselves?
> 
> regards
> alex
> 

Sent offlist. Xavier still lurks here and posts occasionally, and he may 
perhaps have a newer version.

Martin Baxter


From livfoss at mac.com  Sat Mar  3 05:33:41 2007
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:33:41 +0100
Subject: Printing and previewing
Message-ID: <500E9897-2EA9-48AD-8979-02C0EB16739D@mac.com>

Folks, I'm faced with the problem of providing a printing routine to  
print one or more pages of text (the number of pages is not known in  
advance) on a PC, and also being able to offer an on-screen preview  
facility. Logically, I want the user to press a 'Print' button and  
get a printout, or a 'Preview' button and get a preview of the page 
(s) **exactly as they will appear on the physical printout**; this  
second mode would also allow the user to go on to print. I might  
relax on the "exactly" if I could ensure that the same amount of text  
appeared both on the preview and the printout, and the line breaks  
came in the same places: but it's second best really if the type  
doesn't look the same in both cases.

With the aid of Dan Shafer's e-book on Printing in Revolution  
(thanks, Dan), I think I understand the issue revolving around the  
formatForPrinting property, in that I have to set up my printing  
stack with this property set to true and somehow create the fields  
with the text in - one card per page - without editing them (this  
seems something of a contradiction, but I'm experimenting...):  
however it appears to me that if I show these cards as previews, I  
will get an anomalous result, because the fonts the Rev system uses  
will not be ones intended for screen display, and therefore (we are  
warned) will look 'wrong'. If I do use the ones intended for screen  
display, I run into the danger that they won't look like the  
printout, and might even end up with different numbers of lines per  
page.

Would anyone who has already tackled this be prepared to share their  
approach?

TIA

Graham

PS It's a helluva lot easier on a Mac, where Preview is built in to  
the OS and fonts are WYSIWYG anyway. But my customers have PCs.



----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Mar  3 09:45:47 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 15:45:47 +0100
Subject: Tutorials
In-Reply-To: <200703021108.02250.linux@flippingdades.com>
References: <200703021108.02250.linux@flippingdades.com>
Message-ID: <E5A04AD3-26D9-4FB4-8569-9353C88FB0E3@economy-x-talk.com>

Don,

Open the docs, click Getting Started. Six categories appear, click on  
Sample Projects. The subject you are looking for is the first in the  
list. Click on this subject if it is not selected. The buttons in the  
lower-right of the window let you start the video or launch the stack 
(s).

Mark

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Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 2-mrt-2007, om 18:08 heeft Don Jungk het volgende geschreven:

> Hi,
> I've just started trying to work with Revolution. I have the PDF  
> tutorials
> from the web site, but I can't find the actual projects for any of  
> these
> tutorials. I'm looking now at the "Preference_Pane" tutorial and it  
> has
> screen shots, but no actual code in it. If anyone knows where the  
> projects
> are, would you send me the URL?
>
> I am in a third world country with rather shaky dialup service and  
> watching
> movies via the internet is not possible at this time.
>
> Thank you for your time,
> Don Jungk




From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Sat Mar  3 10:59:00 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 07:59:00 -0800
Subject: Drag and Drop Problem
In-Reply-To: <9E80D931-A2FD-48D2-B9DC-290563C42B26@looktowindward.com>
References: <52D398C7-C893-11DB-BF0C-0003938374A8@free.fr>
	<9E80D931-A2FD-48D2-B9DC-290563C42B26@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <EFE02560-F6C4-40D6-86A3-45F38F903D78@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 2, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Dave wrote:

> I have the following "drag" handlers in the Script of a field. It  
> all works - mostly. The problem is that sometimes the field gets  
> left with a blue border. If I pick up a file in the Finder and move  
> it onto the border turns blue (most of the time) if I then move it  
> out of the field it goes back to normal (most of the time). However  
> sometimes it just doesn't receive the dragEnter/dragLeave message.  
> This happens running under the IDE and as a Standalone.
>
> Is this anything else I need to do in order to get this to work  
> reliably? I am using an Intel Mac Pro, MacOS X 10.4.8 with god  
> knows how much RAM and  1 Terabyte of  Hard Disk Space! Lucky me! lol

Drag and drop messages in Revolution are not always balanced meaning  
you won't always received a dragLeave even though you received a  
dragEnter.  In my testing this behavior seems worse when working with  
grouped controls.

Also, events are not always received in the right order:

<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3599>

Personally I have stopped providing visual feedback on objects for  
drag/drop events until the engine behavior is fixed (Rev is aware of  
it).  It is too easy to break and end up with objects that are always  
highlighted (or visual feedback that does not reflect the actual  
operation that will be performed when the drop occurs).

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  3 11:24:16 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 08:24:16 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <9AC64318-96AE-4C95-B7CA-36225051396C@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C20EE130.43909%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Microsoft owns, sells and ships VirtualPC that includes a copy of XP.  How
can they say you are not allowed to run it with Vista ( as a licensee,
owner, renter, whatever..) ?

Is their exclusion principle that you can only run it with their
virtualization software?  Or only the high-end Vista products?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/3/07 1:58 AM, "Dave Cragg" <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> One for the lawyers...
> 
> I read a lot about this restriction of using some editions of Vista
> with virtual systems, but is it absolutely clear this use is
> restricted? The following is the sentence from the EULA that I have
> seen quoted in many places:
> 
> 
> ?USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may not use the software
> installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise
> emulated) hardware system.?
> 
> I've never seen this placed in the wider context of the entire
> license, but I wonder what the phrase "licensed device" refers to. Is
> the device in this case the disk that contains Vista? If so, then it
> seems clear you can't use it on a virtual system (legal challenges
> notwithstanding). But the wording sounds to me more like an OEM
> license, where "licensed device" is the computer you bought which
> already had Vista installed. In that case, I don't think it's so
> different from existing OEM licensing of Windows.
> 
> Can anyone clear this up?




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  3 11:26:56 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 08:26:56 -0800
Subject: Drag and Drop Problem
In-Reply-To: <EFE02560-F6C4-40D6-86A3-45F38F903D78@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <C20EE1D0.4390A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I think Chipp did some work about 18 months ago with the missing message
interaction.  Can't remember the details, but it involved button user
interface and the mouseLeave.  Perhaps someone will remember and add to this
thread.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/3/07 7:59 AM, "Trevor DeVore" <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:

> On Mar 2, 2007, at 5:54 AM, Dave wrote:
> 
>> I have the following "drag" handlers in the Script of a field. It
>> all works - mostly. The problem is that sometimes the field gets
>> left with a blue border. If I pick up a file in the Finder and move
>> it onto the border turns blue (most of the time) if I then move it
>> out of the field it goes back to normal (most of the time). However
>> sometimes it just doesn't receive the dragEnter/dragLeave message.
>> This happens running under the IDE and as a Standalone.
>> 
>> Is this anything else I need to do in order to get this to work
>> reliably? I am using an Intel Mac Pro, MacOS X 10.4.8 with god
>> knows how much RAM and  1 Terabyte of  Hard Disk Space! Lucky me! lol
> 
> Drag and drop messages in Revolution are not always balanced meaning
> you won't always received a dragLeave even though you received a
> dragEnter.  In my testing this behavior seems worse when working with
> grouped controls.
> 
> Also, events are not always received in the right order:
> 
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3599>
> 
> Personally I have stopped providing visual feedback on objects for
> drag/drop events until the engine behavior is fixed (Rev is aware of
> it).  It is too easy to break and end up with objects that are always
> highlighted (or visual feedback that does not reflect the actual
> operation that will be performed when the drop occurs).




From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sat Mar  3 11:33:57 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 13:33:57 -0300
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <45E9A375.30109@howsoft.com>



Luis wrote:

> > A passing suggestion: Try Ubuntu 6.0.6 LTS. It now has installers for  
> > proprietary/'non-free' gfx card drivers, which used to be a bugbear  
> > withe some distros.
> > If you're looking for a little more eye candy then try Kubuntu.
> > All fits on one CD, and the Synaptic Package Manager is a breeze to  
> > use, although for the gfx drivers I used Envy from the terminal  
> > (Install Envy via Synaptic, logout, do a Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to a  
> > terminal login. Login, run envy. Does ATI and Nvidia).
> > Running sweet on a 2 year old Dell.
>   
Richard wrote:

>Thanks to a recommendation from Phil Davis, I installed it two months 
ago and have been quite happy with it.  Much simpler and more well 
integrated than the Red Hat installation I used to use, and cheaper than 
my copy of Linspire.  Right now Ubuntu is my favorite Linux by far.

Now if only we can get some of the other distro builders to stop 
reinventing their wheels and contribute their resources to Ubuntu instead.

And when that happens (somewhere between the time pigs fly and when hell 
freezes over) we'll have to get the Gnome and KDE teams to integrate 
into a single fully kick-ass window manager.

When those two tasks are done, Linux will be well poised to kick 
Microsoft's butt on the desktop at least as effectively as they've done 
on the server.

------------------------------------------------------------

My own understanding is helped by a linguistic model. Some time ago people had the idea of taking what they considered to be the "best" characteristics of the world's languages and rolling them together into a single optimized form, and what emerged was "Esperanto". It failed miserably. One reason for this could be the fact that it was not a "natural" language and that the scientists did not appreciate the complexity of linguistic mechanisms. For example, natural languages are biological products, and as such they are necessarily only half logical.

If you asked speakers of Portuguese or Bulgarian to stop wasting their 
time and to speak another language instead, they would probably get 
around to doing it when pigs fly or hell freezes over. But asking them 
to speak a "second" language is a different matter. When I asked a taxi 
driver in Amsterdam why everybody's English was so fantastically good, 
he answered me with a question: "What's the use of Dutch?" Yet Dutch 
shows no signs of dying in Holland.

No, a "natural" language (English) has become the second language of the 
world. This was helped by the fairly large number of native speakers, 
but above all it was helped by the enormously diverse distribution in 
different places. (More people speak Chinese for example, but the 
distribution of Chinese extends little beyond China itself.)

Ubuntu is perhaps poised to become the world's second operating system, 
and it is quite well distributed already. The Ubuntu company (Canonical) 
have the professionalism, the ethics and the clout. Does that mean that 
Red Hat, Linspire, Puppy and the KDE interface need to die? Far from it. 
I see no reason why they should not maintain their followers, their 
peculiarities, and their dignity, and to continue to make their valuable 
contributions and innovations. They are doing their thing! "Live and let 
live" is the lemma we need to practise in my opinion.

The very last thing we want to see is another monster like Microsoft, 
but such a situation could well arise again if we do not maintain the 
very mechanisms Linux was designed to neutralize. I'm talking about 
freedom, openness, diversity (multiple perception), clean competition, 
ethics, and the like.

Talking is easy, particularly since I am not a professional programmer 
with professional responsibilities. I can do what I like, when I like, 
without suffering any serious consequences. But even taking into account 
the much more difficult situation of the professional programmer and the 
dependency he/she suffers, there is something of a drug culture 
associated with the continuing usage of Windows and the enormous 
reluctance to change for the better. Yes, Microsoft gained a monopoly 
because Windows was the first and only operating system for PCs on the 
market, but that does not totally explain the momentum of their monopoly 
nowadays. Drugs pretend to be our friend, but in fact they are 
unfailingly our enemy, and in they end they can even kill us. Yet when 
we are dependent on a drug, even if we have the motivation to change in 
some way, actually doing it is the most difficult thing in the world, 
unless we have some idea of how to achieve it. In the final analysis, I 
think the general secret in all of this is to stop thinking in terms of 
"either/or" and to start thinking in terms of "both-and". Nobody needs 
to leave Windows entirely in order to use Linux, so why use the "cold 
turkey" method in alleviating oneself of this drug we call "Windows"? 
No, keep it around to do the little things it is really useful for (i.e. 
"exploit" it), but also investigate the exciting and creative aspects of 
the promising new world known collectively as "Linux"!

Sorry, you pressed my button...


By the way, Ubuntu is entirely free. If you cannot manage to download 
it, they will even send you a CD free of charge.

Bob



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar  3 12:01:49 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 11:01:49 -0600
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <200703030900.52691.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45E87187.2090606@fourthworld.com>
	<200703030900.52691.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <45E9A9FD.90305@hyperactivesw.com>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> If you have bought a retail copy of Vista, I believe MS will have no legal 
> authority to tell you what you can and cannot run it on.  This is because, at 
> least in the EU, post sales restrictions on use are anti-competitive and thus 
> unenforceable.
> 
> However, MS can certainly tell you not to run more than one copy at once, 
> because to do that would violate copyright.   So if you do run it in virtual 
> mode, that copy must be the only copy.  They can also make it detect a 
> virtual environment and refuse to boot, if that is technically possible. 

Well, that's the deal, I think. I believe (but am not certain) that all 
Parallels users will have very similar hardware configurations, since 
the hardware is emulated and identical in every installation. The 
hardware configuration is what MS uses to "identify" your machine when 
it calls home for validation. All they need to do is check whether your 
"hardware" is the same as that shipped by Parallels and refuse to 
validate your copy. Without validation, Vista won't run.

Speculation, of course, I don't have a copy yet. I did read somewhere 
though that there are no software incompatibilies with installing home 
versions of Vista on Parallels; it works fine. The restriction is in the 
license, not the capability.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar  3 12:12:39 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 09:12:39 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <C20EE130.43909%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C20EE130.43909%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAB81510-9794-4821-859B-346A7DE4B759@Cox.Net>

Good morning, Jim,

Obviously, whatever makes them the most money and their customers the  
most discomfort. (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 3, 2007, at 8:24 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Microsoft owns, sells and ships VirtualPC that includes a copy of  
> XP.  How
> can they say you are not allowed to run it with Vista ( as a licensee,
> owner, renter, whatever..) ?
>
> Is their exclusion principle that you can only run it with their
> virtualization software?  Or only the high-end Vista products?
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> On 3/3/07 1:58 AM, "Dave Cragg" <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> One for the lawyers...
>>
>> I read a lot about this restriction of using some editions of Vista
>> with virtual systems, but is it absolutely clear this use is
>> restricted? The following is the sentence from the EULA that I have
>> seen quoted in many places:
>>
>>
>> ?USE WITH VIRTUALIZATION TECHNOLOGIES. You may not use the software
>> installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise
>> emulated) hardware system.?
>>
>> I've never seen this placed in the wider context of the entire
>> license, but I wonder what the phrase "licensed device" refers to. Is
>> the device in this case the disk that contains Vista? If so, then it
>> seems clear you can't use it on a virtual system (legal challenges
>> notwithstanding). But the wording sounds to me more like an OEM
>> license, where "licensed device" is the computer you bought which
>> already had Vista installed. In that case, I don't think it's so
>> different from existing OEM licensing of Windows.
>>
>> Can anyone clear this up?
>
>
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sat Mar  3 12:25:28 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:25:28 -0300
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <45E9AF88.6090200@howsoft.com>

I said:

 >The very last thing we want to see is another monster like Microsoft, 
but such a situation could well arise again if we do not maintain the 
very mechanisms Linux was designed to neutralize.

------------------------------------------
That would have read more correctly as:

The very last thing we want to see is another monster like Microsoft, 
but such a situation could well arise again if we do not maintain the 
neutralizing mechanisms that Linux was designed to promote.

Bob



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar  3 12:32:58 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 09:32:58 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <45E9A375.30109@howsoft.com>
References: <45E9A375.30109@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <0BD27198-B6DF-474E-9080-5AC7F8486A5E@Cox.Net>

Bob, I'm going to ask an apparently stupid question. Since I've been  
a diehard Mac user since the Lisa, and it has always let me get so  
much of my work done that I never even thought about looking at  
anything else, will you please, as succinctly as possible, let "us"  
know how this thing called Linux, in all of it's various flavors?  
works. How can something as enormous as this potentially is, be  
coordinated to the point that something truly useful emerges? I find  
it pretty bewildering, and cannot see how it can fit into my  
computing life. Keep in mind that I was over 50 when I undertook the  
mastering of a new tool and didn't even know what a "k" was at that  
point.

Many TIA,

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 3, 2007, at 8:33 AM, Bob Warren wrote:

>
>
> Luis wrote:
>
>> > A passing suggestion: Try Ubuntu 6.0.6 LTS. It now has  
>> installers for  > proprietary/'non-free' gfx card drivers, which  
>> used to be a bugbear  > withe some distros.
>> > If you're looking for a little more eye candy then try Kubuntu.
>> > All fits on one CD, and the Synaptic Package Manager is a breeze  
>> to  > use, although for the gfx drivers I used Envy from the  
>> terminal  > (Install Envy via Synaptic, logout, do a Ctrl+Alt+F1  
>> to get to a  > terminal login. Login, run envy. Does ATI and Nvidia).
>> > Running sweet on a 2 year old Dell.
>>
> Richard wrote:
>
>> Thanks to a recommendation from Phil Davis, I installed it two months
> ago and have been quite happy with it.  Much simpler and more well  
> integrated than the Red Hat installation I used to use, and cheaper  
> than my copy of Linspire.  Right now Ubuntu is my favorite Linux by  
> far.
>
> Now if only we can get some of the other distro builders to stop  
> reinventing their wheels and contribute their resources to Ubuntu  
> instead.
>
> And when that happens (somewhere between the time pigs fly and when  
> hell freezes over) we'll have to get the Gnome and KDE teams to  
> integrate into a single fully kick-ass window manager.
>
> When those two tasks are done, Linux will be well poised to kick  
> Microsoft's butt on the desktop at least as effectively as they've  
> done on the server.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> My own understanding is helped by a linguistic model. Some time ago  
> people had the idea of taking what they considered to be the "best"  
> characteristics of the world's languages and rolling them together  
> into a single optimized form, and what emerged was "Esperanto". It  
> failed miserably. One reason for this could be the fact that it was  
> not a "natural" language and that the scientists did not appreciate  
> the complexity of linguistic mechanisms. For example, natural  
> languages are biological products, and as such they are necessarily  
> only half logical.
>
> If you asked speakers of Portuguese or Bulgarian to stop wasting  
> their time and to speak another language instead, they would  
> probably get around to doing it when pigs fly or hell freezes over.  
> But asking them to speak a "second" language is a different matter.  
> When I asked a taxi driver in Amsterdam why everybody's English was  
> so fantastically good, he answered me with a question: "What's the  
> use of Dutch?" Yet Dutch shows no signs of dying in Holland.
>
> No, a "natural" language (English) has become the second language  
> of the world. This was helped by the fairly large number of native  
> speakers, but above all it was helped by the enormously diverse  
> distribution in different places. (More people speak Chinese for  
> example, but the distribution of Chinese extends little beyond  
> China itself.)
>
> Ubuntu is perhaps poised to become the world's second operating  
> system, and it is quite well distributed already. The Ubuntu  
> company (Canonical) have the professionalism, the ethics and the  
> clout. Does that mean that Red Hat, Linspire, Puppy and the KDE  
> interface need to die? Far from it. I see no reason why they should  
> not maintain their followers, their peculiarities, and their  
> dignity, and to continue to make their valuable contributions and  
> innovations. They are doing their thing! "Live and let live" is the  
> lemma we need to practise in my opinion.
>
> The very last thing we want to see is another monster like  
> Microsoft, but such a situation could well arise again if we do not  
> maintain the very mechanisms Linux was designed to neutralize. I'm  
> talking about freedom, openness, diversity (multiple perception),  
> clean competition, ethics, and the like.
>
> Talking is easy, particularly since I am not a professional  
> programmer with professional responsibilities. I can do what I  
> like, when I like, without suffering any serious consequences. But  
> even taking into account the much more difficult situation of the  
> professional programmer and the dependency he/she suffers, there is  
> something of a drug culture associated with the continuing usage of  
> Windows and the enormous reluctance to change for the better. Yes,  
> Microsoft gained a monopoly because Windows was the first and only  
> operating system for PCs on the market, but that does not totally  
> explain the momentum of their monopoly nowadays. Drugs pretend to  
> be our friend, but in fact they are unfailingly our enemy, and in  
> they end they can even kill us. Yet when we are dependent on a  
> drug, even if we have the motivation to change in some way,  
> actually doing it is the most difficult thing in the world, unless  
> we have some idea of how to achieve it. In the final analysis, I  
> think the general secret in all of this is to stop thinking in  
> terms of "either/or" and to start thinking in terms of "both-and".  
> Nobody needs to leave Windows entirely in order to use Linux, so  
> why use the "cold turkey" method in alleviating oneself of this  
> drug we call "Windows"? No, keep it around to do the little things  
> it is really useful for (i.e. "exploit" it), but also investigate  
> the exciting and creative aspects of the promising new world known  
> collectively as "Linux"!
>
> Sorry, you pressed my button...
>
>
> By the way, Ubuntu is entirely free. If you cannot manage to  
> download it, they will even send you a CD free of charge.
>
> Bob
>
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From wow at together.net  Sat Mar  3 12:43:03 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 10:43:03 -0700
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210703021608u5a09d624ub5be506d925a7e91@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<2109646E-A630-4F04-AAD0-D07625B8A2D4@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210703021608u5a09d624ub5be506d925a7e91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E687904-1D21-47B4-BB87-5009A7D90ECE@together.net>

This question is related to my prior questions on file transferring.

I'm using the "put url to url" method to ftp a file from client to  
server via a wired connection. I pull the ethernet cable from the  
computer, killing the connection mid-stream. What do I need to do to  
re-send that file? When I try using "put" again, I get numerous kinds  
of error messages... mostly socket related, but sometimes "error 550,  
Command failed for unknown reasons". I've tried resetall. I've tried  
asking for the socket ID so I could close it. Nothing seems to work.

Thanks.
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies


From Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no  Sat Mar  3 12:59:22 2007
From: Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:59:22 +0100
Subject: Bullit Points
In-Reply-To: <45E8A049.000003.01196@CALSBIGPC>
References: <45E8A049.000003.01196@CALSBIGPC>
Message-ID: <1172944762.45e9b77ad6c9f@webmail.uib.no>

Quoting Cal Horner <calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ>:

> has anyone in the list been successful in putting bullet points into text
> fields?

> 
> If so could you explain how you did this?

Maybe this will help:

put the numtochar of 165 into fld MyField

Signe Marie Sanne


From mlange at widged.com  Sat Mar  3 13:13:49 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 18:13:49 +0000
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <3E687904-1D21-47B4-BB87-5009A7D90ECE@together.net>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<2109646E-A630-4F04-AAD0-D07625B8A2D4@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210703021608u5a09d624ub5be506d925a7e91@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E687904-1D21-47B4-BB87-5009A7D90ECE@together.net>
Message-ID: <7C7C0183-898C-4C8A-88D4-13B1CAF036FD@widged.com>

> "put url to url"

In case this is not a typo, note that the correct syntax is
put URL ("file:" & tPath) into URL tURL
put URL tURL into URL ("file:" & tPath)

where tURL is  something like "http://my.domain.com/folder/file.ext"  
and tPath is something like "/Users/myname/folder/file.ext" (on a  
mac) or "c:/folder/file.ext" (on a pc -- well I leave pc users  
correct me on this)

Marielle




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Mar  3 13:30:52 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 12:30:52 -0600
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70703030143v6b3ff908s1d55cf6a6bac48ec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45E87318.3010200@castandcrew.com>
	<20070302172128287685.09aecca4@sonsothunder.com>
	<79d1bee70703030143v6b3ff908s1d55cf6a6bac48ec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070303123052763325.92cc862e@sonsothunder.com>

On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 18:43:33 +0900, Martin Blackman wrote:

> Ken
> I see there's a nice example of writing to Excel on your website using
> vbscript. Is this the sort of thing that might trigger anti-virus
> programs ? I just tried it on 2 machines successfully with no
> anti-virus problems myself.

It depends on the level of sensitivity of the antivirus software. Most 
(all?) will not stop all vbscript executions, but look for things like 
access to the file system in the code to be run to determine whether to 
bring up a warning or not. Since the Excel example is just for 
communications with Excel, it is very unlikely that it would trigger 
antivirus software (unless there is a generic "Don't allow VBScript 
files to run" option in the AV software that's turned on).

> Would you be good enough to expand on that example to setting/getting
> data from named cells or ranges ?

Sure... this is based on modifying the "put ... into tScript" portion 
of the SendToXL handler that is described on the Tip page 
(http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/iac001.htm). The 
relevant portion is copied below:

  on mouseUp
    SendToXL "500","B3"
  end mouseUp

  on SendToXL pWhat,pCell
    put "Dim ObjXL" & cr & \
      "Set ObjXL = GetObject(," & q("Excel.Application") & ")" & cr & \
      "ObjXL.Range(" & q(pCell) & ").Value =" && q(pWhat) into tScript

    -- Put the script into a file on disk
    put "C:\VBSTemp.vbs" into tFile
    put tScript into url("file:" & tFile)

    -- Run the file
    set the hideConsoleWindows to true
    get shell("cscript.exe //nologo" && tFile)

    -- Now, delete the file; best way is to give it 1 second to complete
    -- before deleting, so I'll use the "send in " method to
    -- do this:
    send "delete file" && q(tFile) to me in 1 second
  end SendToXL

If you have a named cell, all you need to do is pass in the name of the 
cell in the pCell parameter, so you could name a cell "MyNamedCell" and 
then execute:

  SendToXL "500","MyNamedCell"

To get data from a cell, all you need to do is modify the SendToXL 
handler to return a result using WScript.Echo. Here's a "GetFromXL" 
handler that will retrieve the data from a specific cell (using A1, 
R1C1, or named cell format) - I removed the comments to make it more 
compact:

  function GetFromXL pCell
    put "Dim ObjXL" & cr & \
      "Set ObjXL = GetObject(," & q("Excel.Application") & ")" & cr & \
      "WScript.Echo ObjXL.Range(" & q(pCell) & ").Value" into tScript

    put "C:\VBSTemp.vbs" into tFile
    put tScript into url("file:" & tFile)
    set the hideConsoleWindows to true
    get shell("cscript.exe //nologo" && tFile)
    send "delete file" && q(tFile) to me in 1 second
    return it
  end GetFromXL

So you could do this:  

  put GetFromXL("MyNamedCell") into tVar  -- tVar now has "500" in it

To get or set a multi-cell range requires a bit more work - you 
basically need to loop through all the cells in the range, which is 
several more lines of VBScript code. Here's a modified "GetFromXL" 
function that will do the trick (and still keep backward compatibility):

  function GetFromXL pRangeRef
 
    put "Dim ObjXL,tNumRows,tNumCols,tRetVal,tRow,tCol" & cr & \
      "Set ObjXL = GetObject(," & q("Excel.Application") & ")" & cr & \
      "tNumRows = ObjXL.Range(" & q(pRangeRef) & ").Rows.Count" & cr & \
      "tNumCols = ObjXL.Range(" & q(pRangeRef) & ").Columns.Count" into 
tScript

    put tScript & cr & "For tRow = 1 To tNumRows" & cr & \
      "For tCol = 1 to tNumCols" & cr & \
      "If tCol <> tNumCols Then" & cr & \
      "tRetVal = tRetVal & ObjXL.Range(" & q(pRangeRef) & 
").Cells(tRow,tCol).Value & vbTab" & cr &  \
      "Else" & cr & \
      "tRetVal = tRetVal & ObjXL.Range(" & q(pRangeRef) & 
").Cells(tRow,tCol).Value & vbCrLf" & cr & \
      "End If" & cr & "Next" & cr & "Next" into tScript

    put tScript & cr & "tRetVal = Left(tRetVal,Len(tRetVal) - 2)" & cr 
& \
      "WScript.Echo tRetVal" into tScript


    put "C:\VBSTemp.vbs" into tFile
    put tScript into url("file:" & tFile)
    set the hideConsoleWindows to true
    get shell("cscript.exe //nologo" && tFile)
    send "delete file" && q(tFile) to me in 1 second
    if char -1 of it is CR then delete char -1 of it  -- strip any 
trailing CR
    return it
  end GetFromXL

So now you can do any of these:

   put GetFromXL("A1:D4") into tTable
   put GetFromXL("MyNamedRange") into tTable
   put GetFromXL("MyNamedCell") into tCell
   put GetFromXL("A1") into tCell

Setting a range is basically the same, but goes in the opposite 
direction. Here's a new replacement "SendToXL" handler that will handle 
individual cells and ranges in the same way that GetFromXL does above:

on SendToXL pWhat,pRangeRef
  -- assumes a tab & CR delimited set of data
  set the itemDel to tab
  put the number of items of line 1 of pWhat into tNumCols
  put the number of lines of pWhat into tNumRows
  
  put "Dim ObjXL,tRetVal,tRow,tCol" & cr & \
      "Dim tDataA(" & tNumCols & "," & tNumRows & ")" & cr & \
      "Set ObjXL = GetObject(," & q("Excel.Application") & ")" into 
tScript
  repeat with x = 1 to tNumCols
    repeat with y = 1 to tNumRows
      put tScript & cr & "tDataA(" & x & "," & y & ") = " & q(item x of 
line y of pWhat) into tScript
    end repeat
  end repeat
  put tScript & cr & "For tRow = 1 To" && tNumRows & cr & \
      "For tCol = 1 to" && tNumCols & cr & \
      "ObjXL.Range(" & q(pRangeRef) & ").Cells(tRow,tCol).Value = 
tDataA(tCol,tRow)" & cr &  \
      "Next" & cr & "Next" into tScript
   
  put "C:\VBSTemp.vbs" into tFile
  put tScript into url("file:" & tFile)
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true
  get shell("cscript.exe //nologo" && tFile)
  send "delete file" && q(tFile) to me in 1 second
end SendToXL

So something like:

  put "Hello" & tab & "there" & cr & "From" & tab & "Ken" into tData
  SendToXL tData,"A1:B2"

Have fun!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From wow at together.net  Sat Mar  3 13:32:59 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:32:59 -0700
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <7C7C0183-898C-4C8A-88D4-13B1CAF036FD@widged.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<2109646E-A630-4F04-AAD0-D07625B8A2D4@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210703021608u5a09d624ub5be506d925a7e91@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E687904-1D21-47B4-BB87-5009A7D90ECE@together.net>
	<7C7C0183-898C-4C8A-88D4-13B1CAF036FD@widged.com>
Message-ID: <7FC5CBB7-9B0F-4869-9A82-FD6EBE95F97B@together.net>

Yes.... I was just shortening it up for the email. I do know the  
correct syntax. The url is transferring fine. That's not the issue.

Thanks anyway.
Richard

On Mar 3, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:

>> "put url to url"
>
> In case this is not a typo, note that the correct syntax is
> put URL ("file:" & tPath) into URL tURL
> put URL tURL into URL ("file:" & tPath)
>
> where tURL is  something like "http://my.domain.com/folder/ 
> file.ext" and tPath is something like "/Users/myname/folder/ 
> file.ext" (on a mac) or "c:/folder/file.ext" (on a pc -- well I  
> leave pc users correct me on this)
>
> Marielle
>
>
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Mar  3 13:35:43 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 12:35:43 -0600
Subject: Transcript Language Module for UltraEdit
In-Reply-To: <45E94CB1.2030904@harbourhosting.co.uk>
References: <D403D469-EF8C-414C-A4AB-74C1D4E57F58@mac.com>
	<A8BE8198-5031-4199-9BDB-AB916A2E8BE5@Cox.Net>
	<45E90E6D.9090305@harryscollar.com>
	<45E94CB1.2030904@harbourhosting.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20070303123543855529.8293f39c@sonsothunder.com>

On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 10:23:45 +0000, Martin Baxter wrote:

> Alex Shaw wrote:
>> Hi
>> 
>> Does anyone have a copy of Xavier's old Transcript module for 
>> ultraedit or setup one themselves?
>> 
>> regards
>> alex
>> 
> 
> Sent offlist. Xavier still lurks here and posts occasionally, and he 
> may perhaps have a newer version.

Martin, could you please send me a copy as well? (Or Xavier, if you're 
listening?) I'd like to add that to the stsMLXEditor module files 
listing. For those who don't know, you can use an external text editor 
like UltraEdit, BBEdit, TextMate, etc. to edit scripts by using the 
stsMLXEditor plugin. Here's the DL location:

  
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/stsMLXEditor.htm


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From mlange at widged.com  Sat Mar  3 14:04:37 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:04:37 +0000
Subject: Transcript Language Module for UltraEdit
In-Reply-To: <20070303123543855529.8293f39c@sonsothunder.com>
References: <D403D469-EF8C-414C-A4AB-74C1D4E57F58@mac.com>
	<A8BE8198-5031-4199-9BDB-AB916A2E8BE5@Cox.Net>
	<45E90E6D.9090305@harryscollar.com>
	<45E94CB1.2030904@harbourhosting.co.uk>
	<20070303123543855529.8293f39c@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <67C3AE6E-2EDD-461C-BECF-3BA2BA5E260F@widged.com>

> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/ 
> stsMLXEditor.htm

And this is really a great plugin. I have come to completely depend  
on it ;-).

Maybe you could consider notetab, as well, on PC <http:// 
www.notetab.com/>. This was my favorite editor when I was mostly a PC  
user (well a few years back).

Marielle



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sat Mar  3 14:19:45 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 16:19:45 -0300
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <45E9CA51.4010503@howsoft.com>

Joe wrote:

>Bob, I'm going to ask an apparently stupid question. Since I've been  
a diehard Mac user since the Lisa, and it has always let me get so  
much of my work done that I never even thought about looking at  
anything else, will you please, as succinctly as possible, let "us"  
know how this thing called Linux, in all of it's various flavors?  
works. How can something as enormous as this potentially is, be  
coordinated to the point that something truly useful emerges? I find  
it pretty bewildering, and cannot see how it can fit into my  
computing life. Keep in mind that I was over 50 when I undertook the  
mastering of a new tool and didn't even know what a "k" was at that  
point.

--------------------------------------------------------
Hi Joe!

No, that's not a stupid question, and even at the age of 62 I'm not sure I know how to answer you adequately, but I'll try.

If I didn't live in Brazil where economic life is difficult, it is possible that I would have bought myself a Macintosh and never looked back. But because of the expense, the general public never use Macs in Brazil, only PCs. What's more, Windows and accompanying software are invariably pirated, not on account of the inherent dishonesty of Brazilians, but because it has been the only way that they could participate in computer usage: almost nobody in Brazil has even 10% of the money required to use software legally.

Such pirating will probably come to an end with the protective mechanisms of Windows Vista. (Personally, I think that this marks the beginning of the end of Microsoft. Allowing a certain amount of piracy was part of the secret of their success, related to the essential characteristic of wide distribution and fame.) So in countries that are not rich, the use of Linux - the only cheap alternative - becomes not so much an option as a necessity. The Linux operating system has now been adopted officially by the Brazilian government.

Linux is what it is, and we need to deal with it. When faced with a question that appears to be enormously complex, we often feel intimidated. But there is sometimes a simple answer. What I tried to point out in my post is that from a personal point of view we don't need to solve the "Linux problem" at all, we just need to back the apparent winner among the distros (Ubuntu) and to be happy with that. That is, unless the situation changes and another leader emerges later on.

I don't know how this thing called Linux, in all of its various flavours, works. Nor do I want to know. I don't have the brains to deal with the enormous variety and technical complexity presented by around 300 different distributions of the Linux system. But I do need to be practical in my programming, and catering for usage on more than one platform or distribution at a time is a very difficult thing to do. If it involves the usage of the peculiarities of the computer's file system to any real degree, the idea of "cross-distro" or "cross-platform" programming becomes totally unviable.

If you live in the US and you are happy with your Macintosh, and your programs have a satisfactory market, why the hell should you start mucking about with Linux? I cannot think of any good reason, except perhaps curiosity, and the fact that you can do it very easily through the use of a Live CD or pendrive. Linux exists as a direct response to the sins committed by Microsoft throughout the world, and no other reason. The neutralizing effect of its diversity is also a direct consequence of the behaviour of Microsoft. The fact that it is not a single company and that it belongs to everybody but nobody in particular is the only way that it can defend itself against annihilation. It was the only answer, and it is certainly a very good one.

Succinctly, something truly useful has emerged: Ubuntu.

Regards,
Bob




From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Sat Mar  3 14:22:47 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 19:22:47 +0000
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <45E9AF88.6090200@howsoft.com>
References: <45E9AF88.6090200@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <5BCED2C5-7A66-4F0C-B8AC-32B1CEF07D57@anachreon.co.uk>

He he!! Thanks for that, after the first read I thought 'Set your  
Linux to stun!"

Cheers,

Luis.


On 3 Mar 2007, at 17:25, Bob Warren wrote:

> I said:
>
> >The very last thing we want to see is another monster like  
> Microsoft, but such a situation could well arise again if we do not  
> maintain the very mechanisms Linux was designed to neutralize.
>
> ------------------------------------------
> That would have read more correctly as:
>
> The very last thing we want to see is another monster like  
> Microsoft, but such a situation could well arise again if we do not  
> maintain the neutralizing mechanisms that Linux was designed to  
> promote.
>
> Bob
>
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sat Mar  3 15:06:59 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:06:59 +0000
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <3E687904-1D21-47B4-BB87-5009A7D90ECE@together.net>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<2109646E-A630-4F04-AAD0-D07625B8A2D4@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210703021608u5a09d624ub5be506d925a7e91@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E687904-1D21-47B4-BB87-5009A7D90ECE@together.net>
Message-ID: <B4B14918-0E36-46D5-9254-655EE033B4A6@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 3 Mar 2007, at 17:43, Richard Miller wrote:

> This question is related to my prior questions on file transferring.
>
> I'm using the "put url to url" method to ftp a file from client to  
> server via a wired connection. I pull the ethernet cable from the  
> computer, killing the connection mid-stream. What do I need to do  
> to re-send that file? When I try using "put" again, I get numerous  
> kinds of error messages... mostly socket related, but sometimes  
> "error 550, Command failed for unknown reasons". I've tried  
> resetall. I've tried asking for the socket ID so I could close it.  
> Nothing seems to work.

Sorry, Richard. I don't have a good answer. I tried here, and things  
worked as expected.

-- Unplugged during the transfer, and get a socketTimeout.

-- Tried again while still unplugged, and get a "Can't connect to  
host" error.

-- Plug in again, and the transfer takes place with no problems.

The 550 error looks like an FTP error, usually for "file not found"  
or "no access to file/folder". But I wouldn't expect it when  
uploading. You usually this when downloading non-existent files or  
files with the wrong permissions.

I guess the consequeces of pulling the cable may vary from network to  
network.

Also, there may be differences between FTP servers about how they  
behave when a transfer is interrupted. I tested with pure-FTP server  
on OS X.

Cheers
Dave


From wow at together.net  Sat Mar  3 15:11:13 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:11:13 -0700
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <B4B14918-0E36-46D5-9254-655EE033B4A6@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<2109646E-A630-4F04-AAD0-D07625B8A2D4@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210703021608u5a09d624ub5be506d925a7e91@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E687904-1D21-47B4-BB87-5009A7D90ECE@together.net>
	<B4B14918-0E36-46D5-9254-655EE033B4A6@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1069F26A-CDD7-42F2-B237-DD3E552584A9@together.net>

Dave,

Thanks for the feedback. The response I am getting from the server is  
not nearly as friendly. On that note, we're currently using a MacMini  
for the server (ftp serving only). We've been testing Rumpus. Any  
thoughts on the best OSX ftp server software to use?

Thanks.
Richard


On Mar 3, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Dave Cragg wrote:

>
> On 3 Mar 2007, at 17:43, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> This question is related to my prior questions on file transferring.
>>
>> I'm using the "put url to url" method to ftp a file from client to  
>> server via a wired connection. I pull the ethernet cable from the  
>> computer, killing the connection mid-stream. What do I need to do  
>> to re-send that file? When I try using "put" again, I get numerous  
>> kinds of error messages... mostly socket related, but sometimes  
>> "error 550, Command failed for unknown reasons". I've tried  
>> resetall. I've tried asking for the socket ID so I could close it.  
>> Nothing seems to work.
>
> Sorry, Richard. I don't have a good answer. I tried here, and  
> things worked as expected.
>
> -- Unplugged during the transfer, and get a socketTimeout.
>
> -- Tried again while still unplugged, and get a "Can't connect to  
> host" error.
>
> -- Plug in again, and the transfer takes place with no problems.
>
> The 550 error looks like an FTP error, usually for "file not found"  
> or "no access to file/folder". But I wouldn't expect it when  
> uploading. You usually this when downloading non-existent files or  
> files with the wrong permissions.
>
> I guess the consequeces of pulling the cable may vary from network  
> to network.
>
> Also, there may be differences between FTP servers about how they  
> behave when a transfer is interrupted. I tested with pure-FTP  
> server on OS X.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  3 15:55:53 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 20:55:53 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: KEY NAMER
Message-ID: <40718.82082.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have just uploaded a revised version of my "KEY
NAMER" stack to RevOnline: it now returns the unicode
number of the key typed as well as the key number.

Those of you who have looked at my "KEY SPEAKER" and
read my last few postings will be able to work out the
direction I am heading in: - my only restrictions, at
present, are the limitations of the MacInTalk voices -
however, little birds

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlainTalk

tell me that Mac OS 10.5 will have better voices -
which will not be before time!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar  3 16:47:46 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:47:46 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <45E9CA51.4010503@howsoft.com>
References: <45E9CA51.4010503@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <4AA5FC12-5127-499D-B8C3-7986C621156D@Cox.Net>

Bob,

Thanks for your perspective. Way back in the 80s, when M$ was still  
doing their DOS thing and Windows was just beginning to emerge as its  
replacement, I predicted that there would one day be three systems  
that would dominate the computer world. I believed that Macintosh  
would be on top of the mountain, that something that the DOS people  
were contriving and a third whose origin I knew would happen, but  
hadn't the slightest idea what it would be, would constitute this  
triumvirate. Of course, the Mac people made some really bad marketing  
decisions that allowed Gates to claw his way to the top of the heap.  
My vision of things can still come to pass, baring some more bad  
decisions, seeing as how the 800 lb. gorilla seems to be in the  
process of shooting itself in the foot. With a few more countries  
doing as Brazil has done, and Linux may eventually either challenge  
or replace Windows. Since Apple has seen fit to make their hardware  
Linux friendly, this whole thing can really happen - to my delight.

I just hope I live to see that come to pass. (smile)

Brazil has always been something of an enigma in the eyes of most of  
us here in the States. It's probably one of the places I'd like to  
visit one day, having lived in Colombia for a few many years ago.  
Thanks for being part of this RevList. We appreciate your input.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 3, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Bob Warren wrote:

> Joe wrote:
>
>> Bob, I'm going to ask an apparently stupid question. Since I've been
> a diehard Mac user since the Lisa, and it has always let me get so   
> much of my work done that I never even thought about looking at   
> anything else, will you please, as succinctly as possible, let  
> "us"  know how this thing called Linux, in all of it's various  
> flavors?  works. How can something as enormous as this potentially  
> is, be  coordinated to the point that something truly useful  
> emerges? I find  it pretty bewildering, and cannot see how it can  
> fit into my  computing life. Keep in mind that I was over 50 when I  
> undertook the  mastering of a new tool and didn't even know what a  
> "k" was at that  point.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Hi Joe!
>
> No, that's not a stupid question, and even at the age of 62 I'm not  
> sure I know how to answer you adequately, but I'll try.
>
> If I didn't live in Brazil where economic life is difficult, it is  
> possible that I would have bought myself a Macintosh and never  
> looked back. But because of the expense, the general public never  
> use Macs in Brazil, only PCs. What's more, Windows and accompanying  
> software are invariably pirated, not on account of the inherent  
> dishonesty of Brazilians, but because it has been the only way that  
> they could participate in computer usage: almost nobody in Brazil  
> has even 10% of the money required to use software legally.
>
> Such pirating will probably come to an end with the protective  
> mechanisms of Windows Vista. (Personally, I think that this marks  
> the beginning of the end of Microsoft. Allowing a certain amount of  
> piracy was part of the secret of their success, related to the  
> essential characteristic of wide distribution and fame.) So in  
> countries that are not rich, the use of Linux - the only cheap  
> alternative - becomes not so much an option as a necessity. The  
> Linux operating system has now been adopted officially by the  
> Brazilian government.
>
> Linux is what it is, and we need to deal with it. When faced with a  
> question that appears to be enormously complex, we often feel  
> intimidated. But there is sometimes a simple answer. What I tried  
> to point out in my post is that from a personal point of view we  
> don't need to solve the "Linux problem" at all, we just need to  
> back the apparent winner among the distros (Ubuntu) and to be happy  
> with that. That is, unless the situation changes and another leader  
> emerges later on.
>
> I don't know how this thing called Linux, in all of its various  
> flavours, works. Nor do I want to know. I don't have the brains to  
> deal with the enormous variety and technical complexity presented  
> by around 300 different distributions of the Linux system. But I do  
> need to be practical in my programming, and catering for usage on  
> more than one platform or distribution at a time is a very  
> difficult thing to do. If it involves the usage of the  
> peculiarities of the computer's file system to any real degree, the  
> idea of "cross-distro" or "cross-platform" programming becomes  
> totally unviable.
>
> If you live in the US and you are happy with your Macintosh, and  
> your programs have a satisfactory market, why the hell should you  
> start mucking about with Linux? I cannot think of any good reason,  
> except perhaps curiosity, and the fact that you can do it very  
> easily through the use of a Live CD or pendrive. Linux exists as a  
> direct response to the sins committed by Microsoft throughout the  
> world, and no other reason. The neutralizing effect of its  
> diversity is also a direct consequence of the behaviour of  
> Microsoft. The fact that it is not a single company and that it  
> belongs to everybody but nobody in particular is the only way that  
> it can defend itself against annihilation. It was the only answer,  
> and it is certainly a very good one.
>
> Succinctly, something truly useful has emerged: Ubuntu.
>
> Regards,
> Bob
>
>
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From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Sat Mar  3 16:58:28 2007
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:58:28 -0800
Subject: Printing and previewing
In-Reply-To: <500E9897-2EA9-48AD-8979-02C0EB16739D@mac.com>
References: <500E9897-2EA9-48AD-8979-02C0EB16739D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <844F7F0C-3231-44B2-BE08-6BD675E6E473@elementarysoftware.com>

Graham,
    I tackled this task a while back.  Here is an outline of my  
approach:

First, I use a separate "printing stack" for laying out the text,  
adding page numbers, headers etc.  I took the block of text I wanted  
to print (unknown size) and broke it up into page size chunks,  
placing text into a field on the "printing stack" and creating a new  
card in the "printing stack" for each new page-sized chunk of text  
until all the original text had been placed into the "printing  
stack".  Techniques for doing this have been discussed on this list  
more than once.  (I've included a script scrap below which was  
developed from advice offered here.)

Once you have a mechanism for knowing where the page breaks occur,  
this same routine can be used for putting text into a series of  
fields inside a scrolling "preview" group that the user can examine.   
I still use the "printing stack" with format for printing to  
determine each page break and then copy the text off of each card and  
place it into a normally formatted (and visible to the user) stack,  
each card of the "printing stack" going into a separate "page-o-text"  
field. I put a field that displays the page number in between each  
"page-o-text" field.  If this is all in a scrolling group then the  
user can scroll through and see the number of pages and exactly where  
each page break will occur.
HTH

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com


----------------  script scrap for breaking a text block into page  
sized chunks --------------------
-- assumes a stack "PrintComments" with a field  "bigComment"  (sized  
appropriately)
-- assumes a source field "bigComment" of a source stack  
<lPrintJobStackName> ... so that the htmlText can be used
-- watch for line wraps --

  -- copy the styled text off the report field into the field of a  
specially formatted substack, "PrintComments"
   set the htmlText of fld "bigComment" of cd 1 to  tMySourceText --  
the htmlText of fld "bigComment" of cd pThisStudent of stack  
lPrintJobStackName
   -- the text needs to be broken into page size chunks
   put 1 into tCardCounter
   put the number of chars of fld "bigComment" of cd tCardCounter  
into tNumOfChars
   put the formattedHeight of char 1 to tNumOfChars of fld  
"bigComment" of cd tCardCounter into tCharHeight
   put (the height of fld "bigComment" of cd tCardCounter) into  
tFieldHeight
   REPEAT until tFieldHeight >= tCharHeight
     put the number of chars of fld "bigComment" of cd tCardCounter  
of stack "PrintComments" into tNumOfChars
     put the formattedHeight of char 1 to tNumOfChars of fld  
"bigComment" of cd tCardCounter of stack "PrintComments" into  
tCharHeight
     -- remove extra characters and put the remaining into a new  
field on a new card
     REPEAT with c = 1 to tNumOfChars
       IF  the formattedHeight of char 1 to c of fld "bigComment" of  
cd tCardCounter of stack "PrintComments" >= tFieldHeight - 24 THEN  
--  24 is wiggle room
         put the htmlText of char c to -1 of fld "bigComment" of cd  
tCardCounter of stack "PrintComments" into tHtmlText
         delete char c to -1 of fld "bigComment" of cd tCardCounter  
of stack "PrintComments"
         clone cd tCardCounter of stack "PrintComments"
         put tCardCounter + 1 into tCardCounter
         set the htmlText of fld "bigComment" of cd tCardCounter of  
stack "PrintComments" to tHtmlText -- put the text that didn't fit,  
into the new field
         put "page" && tCardCounter into fld "footer" of cd  
tCardCounter of stack "PrintComments" -- update the page number
         exit REPEAT
       END IF
     END REPEAT -- remove extra characters and put the remaining into  
a new field
   END REPEAT -- text in the last field fits
   set the formatForPrinting of stack "PrintComments" to true
   close stack "PrintComments"
   set the loc of stack "PrintComments" to -9999,-9999
   set the vis of stack "PrintComments" to false
   go cd 1 of stack "PrintComments"
   print stack "PrintComments"
   -- delete any extra cards in the "PrintComments" stack
   -- and generally clean up
   put the num of cds of stack "PrintComments" into tCardsToDelete
   REPEAT with x = tCardsToDelete down to 2
     delete cd x of stack "PrintComments"
   END REPEAT

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On Mar 3, 2007, at 2:33 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> Folks, I'm faced with the problem of providing a printing routine  
> to print one or more pages of text (the number of pages is not  
> known in advance) on a PC, and also being able to offer an on- 
> screen preview facility. Logically, I want the user to press a  
> 'Print' button and get a printout, or a 'Preview' button and get a  
> preview of the page(s) **exactly as they will appear on the  
> physical printout**; this second mode would also allow the user to  
> go on to print. I might relax on the "exactly" if I could ensure  
> that the same amount of text appeared both on the preview and the  
> printout, and the line breaks came in the same places: but it's  
> second best really if the type doesn't look the same in both cases.
>
> With the aid of Dan Shafer's e-book on Printing in Revolution  
> (thanks, Dan), I think I understand the issue revolving around the  
> formatForPrinting property, in that I have to set up my printing  
> stack with this property set to true and somehow create the fields  
> with the text in - one card per page - without editing them (this  
> seems something of a contradiction, but I'm experimenting...):  
> however it appears to me that if I show these cards as previews, I  
> will get an anomalous result, because the fonts the Rev system uses  
> will not be ones intended for screen display, and therefore (we are  
> warned) will look 'wrong'. If I do use the ones intended for screen  
> display, I run into the danger that they won't look like the  
> printout, and might even end up with different numbers of lines per  
> page.
>
> Would anyone who has already tackled this be prepared to share  
> their approach?
>
> TIA
>
> Graham
>
> PS It's a helluva lot easier on a Mac, where Preview is built in to  
> the OS and fonts are WYSIWYG anyway. But my customers have PCs.
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------
> Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sat Mar  3 17:13:29 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 22:13:29 +0000
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <1069F26A-CDD7-42F2-B237-DD3E552584A9@together.net>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<2109646E-A630-4F04-AAD0-D07625B8A2D4@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210703021608u5a09d624ub5be506d925a7e91@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E687904-1D21-47B4-BB87-5009A7D90ECE@together.net>
	<B4B14918-0E36-46D5-9254-655EE033B4A6@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<1069F26A-CDD7-42F2-B237-DD3E552584A9@together.net>
Message-ID: <BFFE17DD-CCD3-4AEE-B34B-65FC97CCAB9E@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 3 Mar 2007, at 20:11, Richard Miller wrote:
> Any thoughts on the best OSX ftp server software to use?

No help there either. It's not something I do much of. I have the  
pure-ftp server for something I was testing a long time back. (It  
allows easy set up of ftp accounts without creating a full user  
account on OS X.)

Dave


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Mar  3 18:50:31 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 23:50:31 +0000
Subject: XP and Vista Question
Message-ID: <200703032350.31426.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Joe, go to www.distrowatch.com for more enlightenment.

I'm less enthusiastic about Ubuntu than Richard, preferring the Debian that it 
is based on.  Some distributions:

When you know what you want:  Debian.  
For beginners - PCLinux
For minimalists or those wanting to learn Linux in detail:  Slackware
For slower machines:  Zenwalk or Vector (slackware based)
For very slow machines:  Fluxbuntu, Puppy or DSL
If you want it to look like a mac:  Dreamlinux (Brazillian) or Bagheera for 
KDE on any distro
If you like doing things the hard way: Gentoo.  If you want to get the results 
of the hard way but with a short cut:  Sabayon.
For something completely different:  elive

Any of them will run Rev just fine.  Or as fine as Rev runs on Linux, which is 
a different story....

Best books:
How Linux Works, by Ward
Anything Carla Schroder writes, esp the Cookbook
Pocket linux guide from O'Reilly
Linux Phrasebook
Sobell, Practical Guide (detailed)

Peter


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sat Mar  3 18:55:36 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 07:55:36 +0800
Subject: Transcript Language Module for UltraEdit
In-Reply-To: <20070303123543855529.8293f39c@sonsothunder.com>
References: <D403D469-EF8C-414C-A4AB-74C1D4E57F58@mac.com>
	<A8BE8198-5031-4199-9BDB-AB916A2E8BE5@Cox.Net>
	<45E90E6D.9090305@harryscollar.com>
	<45E94CB1.2030904@harbourhosting.co.uk>
	<20070303123543855529.8293f39c@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703031555m172bbe38p9eb719ace9fbc3a9@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/4/07, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>
> For those who don't know, you can use an external text editor
> like UltraEdit, BBEdit, TextMate, etc. to edit scripts by using the
> stsMLXEditor plugin.


For those who don't know Trevor's excellent Transcipt Module (language
plugin in BBEdit speak)  for BBEdit broke with the move to Mactel, well at
least it did on my MacBook  Pro :-(

OSX 10.4.8
Studio 2.8 gm3
BBEdit 8.2.6
TextWrangler 2.2


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sat Mar  3 19:17:46 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 21:17:46 -0300
Subject: [ANN] Version 2 of File/Picture Chooser Widgets for Ubuntu released
Message-ID: <45EA102A.5020409@howsoft.com>

Colleagues:

I have released Version 2 of my File/Picture Chooser Widgets for Ubuntu.
A new demo pack has been provided.

Downloads and pictures can be found at:

http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/stacks.htm

Improvements over #1 of these widgets are as follows:

1) Ubuntu have changed their method of detecting and mounting floppy 
diskettes, and #2 of the widgets now restores their correct functioning.

2) Instead of using "+" and "--" to represent the folder nodes of the 
disk tree, folder images (closed or open) have now been provided. You 
can change the colour of these folder images.

3) The previous widgets were only suitable for "Load" or "Open" 
functions in your program. This version also makes them suitable for 
"Save As" functions.

Regards to all,
Bob Warren


From martinblackman at gmail.com  Sat Mar  3 19:18:30 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:18:30 +0900
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <20070303123052763325.92cc862e@sonsothunder.com>
References: <45E87318.3010200@castandcrew.com>
	<20070302172128287685.09aecca4@sonsothunder.com>
	<79d1bee70703030143v6b3ff908s1d55cf6a6bac48ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070303123052763325.92cc862e@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70703031618s7f41148bj86042e6eb0570002@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a bunch Ken for taking the time and sharing that !  This will
help me to work with spreadsheets with images /charts.

One little worry is the possibility of overwriting the wrong
spreadsheet, if the user has another spreadsheet open.  I suppose if I
launch a .xls file then that will become topmost and the script will
apply to it, I will check it out anyway.

regards
Martin


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar  3 19:52:56 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 16:52:56 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista Question
In-Reply-To: <200703032350.31426.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200703032350.31426.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <80AD430C-F692-4B91-AFD6-467409E68125@Cox.Net>

Thank you Peter, my future free time has just expired! (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 3, 2007, at 3:50 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> Joe, go to www.distrowatch.com for more enlightenment.
>
> I'm less enthusiastic about Ubuntu than Richard, preferring the  
> Debian that it
> is based on.  Some distributions:
>
> When you know what you want:  Debian.
> For beginners - PCLinux
> For minimalists or those wanting to learn Linux in detail:  Slackware
> For slower machines:  Zenwalk or Vector (slackware based)
> For very slow machines:  Fluxbuntu, Puppy or DSL
> If you want it to look like a mac:  Dreamlinux (Brazillian) or  
> Bagheera for
> KDE on any distro
> If you like doing things the hard way: Gentoo.  If you want to get  
> the results
> of the hard way but with a short cut:  Sabayon.
> For something completely different:  elive
>
> Any of them will run Rev just fine.  Or as fine as Rev runs on  
> Linux, which is
> a different story....
>
> Best books:
> How Linux Works, by Ward
> Anything Carla Schroder writes, esp the Cookbook
> Pocket linux guide from O'Reilly
> Linux Phrasebook
> Sobell, Practical Guide (detailed)
>
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar  3 21:04:37 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 20:04:37 -0600
Subject: Transcript Language Module for UltraEdit
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703031555m172bbe38p9eb719ace9fbc3a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D403D469-EF8C-414C-A4AB-74C1D4E57F58@mac.com>	<A8BE8198-5031-4199-9BDB-AB916A2E8BE5@Cox.Net>	<45E90E6D.9090305@harryscollar.com>	<45E94CB1.2030904@harbourhosting.co.uk>	<20070303123543855529.8293f39c@sonsothunder.com>
	<f73a98160703031555m172bbe38p9eb719ace9fbc3a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45EA2935.7090509@hyperactivesw.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:
> On 3/4/07, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>>
>> For those who don't know, you can use an external text editor
>> like UltraEdit, BBEdit, TextMate, etc. to edit scripts by using the
>> stsMLXEditor plugin.
> 
> 
> For those who don't know Trevor's excellent Transcipt Module (language
> plugin in BBEdit speak)  for BBEdit broke with the move to Mactel, well at
> least it did on my MacBook  Pro :-(

Funny you should mention that, I noticed the same thing last week. I 
think it broke with BBEdit 8's universal binary. So I wrote Trevor about 
it, and he responded almost instantly with a new one. He said he'd put 
it online pretty soon, but I bet if you ask him for it he'd send it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Mar  4 01:26:03 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 00:26:03 -0600
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70703031618s7f41148bj86042e6eb0570002@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45E87318.3010200@castandcrew.com>
	<20070302172128287685.09aecca4@sonsothunder.com>
	<79d1bee70703030143v6b3ff908s1d55cf6a6bac48ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070303123052763325.92cc862e@sonsothunder.com>
	<79d1bee70703031618s7f41148bj86042e6eb0570002@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070304002603273582.931b664f@sonsothunder.com>

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 09:18:30 +0900, Martin Blackman wrote:

> Thanks a bunch Ken for taking the time and sharing that !  This will
> help me to work with spreadsheets with images /charts.
> 
> One little worry is the possibility of overwriting the wrong
> spreadsheet, if the user has another spreadsheet open.  I suppose if I
> launch a .xls file then that will become topmost and the script will
> apply to it, I will check it out anyway.

There are ways to direct the data to a specifically named worksheet (or 
the active one), so if you're interested in that, let me know.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Mar  4 01:42:56 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 16:42:56 +1000
Subject: Drag and Drop Problem
In-Reply-To: <EFE02560-F6C4-40D6-86A3-45F38F903D78@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <52D398C7-C893-11DB-BF0C-0003938374A8@free.fr>
	<9E80D931-A2FD-48D2-B9DC-290563C42B26@looktowindward.com>
	<EFE02560-F6C4-40D6-86A3-45F38F903D78@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703032242o69b31f8csd7e93e4e024d89fd@mail.gmail.com>

> Personally I have stopped providing visual feedback on objects for
> drag/drop events until the engine behavior is fixed (Rev is aware of
> it).  It is too easy to break and end up with objects that are always
> highlighted (or visual feedback that does not reflect the actual
> operation that will be performed when the drop occurs).
>

I think the problem is increased if the objects are near the edge of
the window or near other objects. A workaround is to make sure they
have blank space all around them. This looks clunky and I don't think
it is a complete solution, but it does improve it.

Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Mar  4 02:00:38 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:00:38 +1000
Subject: File transferring
In-Reply-To: <1069F26A-CDD7-42F2-B237-DD3E552584A9@together.net>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<2109646E-A630-4F04-AAD0-D07625B8A2D4@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<7aa52a210703021608u5a09d624ub5be506d925a7e91@mail.gmail.com>
	<3E687904-1D21-47B4-BB87-5009A7D90ECE@together.net>
	<B4B14918-0E36-46D5-9254-655EE033B4A6@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<1069F26A-CDD7-42F2-B237-DD3E552584A9@together.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703032300l448ea711x258a58fca8fef52b@mail.gmail.com>

> Thanks for the feedback. The response I am getting from the server is
> not nearly as friendly. On that note, we're currently using a MacMini
> for the server (ftp serving only). We've been testing Rumpus. Any
> thoughts on the best OSX ftp server software to use?
>

Do you need any FTP server software for OS X? If you go to the Sharing
section of the System Prefs, there is a checkbox to turn on FTP
access.

Cheers,
Sarah


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar  4 02:06:15 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 23:06:15 -0800
Subject: Drag and Drop Problem
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703032242o69b31f8csd7e93e4e024d89fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <52D398C7-C893-11DB-BF0C-0003938374A8@free.fr>
	<9E80D931-A2FD-48D2-B9DC-290563C42B26@looktowindward.com>
	<EFE02560-F6C4-40D6-86A3-45F38F903D78@mangomultimedia.com>
	<f99b52860703032242o69b31f8csd7e93e4e024d89fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F9AF556-22CA-4ADC-BB9F-326C6BD44DCC@Cox.Net>

Regarding visual feedback: Apple started doing stuff like the "rubber  
band" thing because it was kind of "trick". It was impressive that  
something like that could be done; but, frankly, I think it has been  
carried too far. Maybe when computers were as slow as they were back  
then, something like that was needed to "show off"; but now, with our  
much faster machines, we don't need to do things like that any more.  
It is much more important to just get things done as fast as our  
machines and programmers can let them be done. I'm in favor of just  
having things appear and disappear really fast.

This should be good for some major controversy on a really slow evening.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 3, 2007, at 10:42 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> Personally I have stopped providing visual feedback on objects for
>> drag/drop events until the engine behavior is fixed (Rev is aware of
>> it).  It is too easy to break and end up with objects that are always
>> highlighted (or visual feedback that does not reflect the actual
>> operation that will be performed when the drop occurs).
>>
>
> I think the problem is increased if the objects are near the edge of
> the window or near other objects. A workaround is to make sure they
> have blank space all around them. This looks clunky and I don't think
> it is a complete solution, but it does improve it.
>
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Mar  4 04:35:57 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:35:57 +0800
Subject: Transcript Language Module for UltraEdit
In-Reply-To: <45EA2935.7090509@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <D403D469-EF8C-414C-A4AB-74C1D4E57F58@mac.com>
	<A8BE8198-5031-4199-9BDB-AB916A2E8BE5@Cox.Net>
	<45E90E6D.9090305@harryscollar.com>
	<45E94CB1.2030904@harbourhosting.co.uk>
	<20070303123543855529.8293f39c@sonsothunder.com>
	<f73a98160703031555m172bbe38p9eb719ace9fbc3a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<45EA2935.7090509@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703040135j31acd16se19987c6fb410479@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/4/07, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>
>
> Funny you should mention that, I noticed the same thing last week. I
> think it broke with BBEdit 8's universal binary. So I wrote Trevor about
> it, and he responded almost instantly with a new one. He said he'd put
> it online pretty soon, but I bet if you ask him for it he'd send it.
>


You're probably right. With my G4 PB I didn't see a need to download bloated
UBs but when I got the MBP I downloaded UBs of my must have software so I
was probably running a PPC version of BBEdit on my old PB.

Glad you have the connection with Trevor. I downloaded the BBEdit Language
Plugin SDK and took one look at the syntax and thought 'this is exactly why
I use Rev' :-) If I'm not willing to do it myself I can't bring myself to
ask someone else to go through the pain:-)

Trevor, I know your busy, I'm in no dire need, I'm sure you'll make an on
List announcement when it's on you site for download. I'll wait till then.


From liamlambert at mac.com  Sun Mar  4 08:00:59 2007
From: liamlambert at mac.com (Liam Lambert)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 13:00:59 +0000
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
Message-ID: <EF584D4B-3F42-43B5-8BEE-2FD15D9A0851@mac.com>

 >There are ways to direct the data to a specifically named worksheet  
(or
 >the active one), so if you're interested in that, let me know.

Ken I have been watching this thread with great interest it has been  
a great help to
me, it would be very useful to me to be able to direct the data to a  
specifically named worksheet

Liam

IRELAND
liamlambert at mac.com





From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sun Mar  4 13:44:49 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 15:44:49 -0300
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <45EB13A1.2030404@howsoft.com>

Joe Wilkins wrote:
 >Bob,
Thanks for your perspective. Way back in the 80s, when M$ was still

doing their DOS thing and Windows was just beginning to emerge as its  
replacement, I predicted that there would one day be three systems  
that would dominate the computer world. I believed that Macintosh  
would be on top of the mountain, that something that the DOS people  
were contriving and a third whose origin I knew would happen, but  
hadn't the slightest idea what it would be, would constitute this  
triumvirate. Of course, the Mac people made some really bad marketing  
decisions that allowed Gates to claw his way to the top of the heap.  
My vision of things can still come to pass, baring some more bad  
decisions, seeing as how the 800 lb. gorilla seems to be in the  
process of shooting itself in the foot. With a few more countries  
doing as Brazil has done, and Linux may eventually either challenge  
or replace Windows. Since Apple has seen fit to make their hardware  
Linux friendly, this whole thing can really happen - to my delight.

I just hope I live to see that come to pass. (smile)

Brazil has always been something of an enigma in the eyes of most of  
us here in the States. It's probably one of the places I'd like to  
visit one day, having lived in Colombia for a few many years ago.  
Thanks for being part of this RevList. We appreciate your input.

-----------------------------------------------
What a thoroughly nice reply. Thank you very much Joe.
If you do manage to visit Brazil one day, come to Santa Catarina Island (Florianopolis). You'll never regret it.

Best regards,
Bob






From livfoss at mac.com  Sun Mar  4 15:43:24 2007
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:43:24 +0100
Subject: Printing and previewing
Message-ID: <1CC957D5-62E5-4EFE-B34E-DA40A735EA81@mac.com>

On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 13:58:28 -0800, Scott Morrow  
<scott at elementarysoftware.com> wrote:

> Graham,
>     I tackled this task a while back.  Here is an outline of my
> approach:
>
> First, I use a separate "printing stack" for laying out the text,
> adding page numbers, headers etc.  I took the block of text I wanted
> to print (unknown size) and broke it up into page size chunks,
> placing text into a field on the "printing stack" and creating a new
> card in the "printing stack" for each new page-sized chunk of text
> until all the original text had been placed into the "printing
> stack".  Techniques for doing this have been discussed on this list
> more than once.  (I've included a script scrap below which was
> developed from advice offered here.)
>
> Once you have a mechanism for knowing where the page breaks occur,
> this same routine can be used for putting text into a series of
> fields inside a scrolling "preview" group that the user can examine.
> I still use the "printing stack" with format for printing to
> determine each page break and then copy the text off of each card and
> place it into a normally formatted (and visible to the user) stack,
> each card of the "printing stack" going into a separate "page-o-text"
> field. I put a field that displays the page number in between each
> "page-o-text" field.  If this is all in a scrolling group then the
> user can scroll through and see the number of pages and exactly where
> each page break will occur.
> HTH
>
> -Scott Morrow

[snip]

Scott, thanks a lot - I was using a separate "printing stack", but  
the idea of copying back the text which had been formatted for  
printing, so as to know where the page breaks were for the preview,  
had not occurred to me at all. Brilliant! I feel a lot more confident  
about tackling this now.

Thanks again

Graham


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar  4 16:21:33 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 13:21:33 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <45EB13A1.2030404@howsoft.com>
References: <45EB13A1.2030404@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <4413399E-FA43-4A89-9597-A3C36DE44F2E@Cox.Net>

You can count on it!

Thanks for the suggestion.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 4, 2007, at 10:44 AM, Bob Warren wrote:

> Joe Wilkins wrote:
> >Bob,
> Thanks for your perspective. Way back in the 80s, when M$ was still
>
> doing their DOS thing and Windows was just beginning to emerge as  
> its  replacement, I predicted that there would one day be three  
> systems  that would dominate the computer world. I believed that  
> Macintosh  would be on top of the mountain, that something that the  
> DOS people  were contriving and a third whose origin I knew would  
> happen, but  hadn't the slightest idea what it would be, would  
> constitute this  triumvirate. Of course, the Mac people made some  
> really bad marketing  decisions that allowed Gates to claw his way  
> to the top of the heap.  My vision of things can still come to  
> pass, baring some more bad  decisions, seeing as how the 800 lb.  
> gorilla seems to be in the  process of shooting itself in the foot.  
> With a few more countries  doing as Brazil has done, and Linux may  
> eventually either challenge  or replace Windows. Since Apple has  
> seen fit to make their hardware  Linux friendly, this whole thing  
> can really happen - to my delight.
>
> I just hope I live to see that come to pass. (smile)
>
> Brazil has always been something of an enigma in the eyes of most  
> of  us here in the States. It's probably one of the places I'd like  
> to  visit one day, having lived in Colombia for a few many years  
> ago.  Thanks for being part of this RevList. We appreciate your input.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> What a thoroughly nice reply. Thank you very much Joe.
> If you do manage to visit Brazil one day, come to Santa Catarina  
> Island (Florianopolis). You'll never regret it.
>
> Best regards,
> Bob
>
>
>
>
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Sun Mar  4 17:55:55 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:55:55 +0100
Subject: strage things happening with Rev cgi 2.5
Message-ID: <45EB4E67.2468EBFB@club-internet.fr>

I think I have already posted on this topic a few weeks ago,
but didn't get any reply.

I have a Rev cgi script that runs fine on a Linux RH server.
the script is about 400 lines long.

In that script, I have a couple of lines that creates a path file in
a directory on the server, opens the file, writes the content
of a couple of variables in it and then closes the file.
something very simple that I'm using for debugging.

When my script is OK, I comment those few lines (with --
at the beginning of each line) because I don't need them anymore.

And right after that I get a systematic error 500 when running the
script. If I uncomment the same lines, the script runs fine again.
If I delete those lines, error 500 again...

I'm puzzled because I have plenty of other comments in the same
script, that have no effect on it...

This problem seems to happen now and then on some scripts only...

Any idea ?

Thanks,
JB



From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Mar  4 18:54:04 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:54:04 -0600
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <4413399E-FA43-4A89-9597-A3C36DE44F2E@Cox.Net>
References: <45EB13A1.2030404@howsoft.com>
	<4413399E-FA43-4A89-9597-A3C36DE44F2E@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703041554j40274618ia83de8813e281ec8@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

There's no way Mac can be #1 unless they allow others to sell
hardware. Too many companies can't rely on a single-source hardware
solution.

I spent a good bit of time messing around with Vista today on my Dad's
computer. Setting up printers, network connections, firewalls, etc..
It appears while Vista is still not yet ready for primetime, it is a
worthwhile effort, and I imagine will be the standard in the near
future. Especially, considering you can only buy machines with Vista
(not XP) on them at retail these days.

One of the interesting things was the annoying 'allow or deny' dialog.
At first it was very disconcerting, but then I started remembering the
same sort of dialog on Mac, where you had to enter your admin password
everytime you wanted to install drivers or tweak a system setting
which only admins could. The Macs version, IMO was even more of a
hassle as it required entering in a password rather than just clicking
an "Allow" button. Though granted, the password technique appears more
secure.

I think there are probably more "Allow or Deny" situations in Vista
than on the Mac. Overall, I found Vista a very usable OS-- Allow or
Deny not withstanding.


From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Mar  4 18:57:01 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:57:01 -0600
Subject: Printing and previewing
In-Reply-To: <1CC957D5-62E5-4EFE-B34E-DA40A735EA81@mac.com>
References: <1CC957D5-62E5-4EFE-B34E-DA40A735EA81@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703041557k5011b0e6r1c9a5690d95f0df0@mail.gmail.com>

I use pretty much the same technique, except that I typically capture
the report stack window full size off screen, resize it 50% and save
it as an accurate preview image, which can then be displayed in my own
Print Preview window.


From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Mar  4 19:37:14 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 21:37:14 -0300
Subject: strage things happening with Rev cgi 2.5
In-Reply-To: <45EB4E67.2468EBFB@club-internet.fr>
References: <45EB4E67.2468EBFB@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <170F6E03-70E2-44D7-B6DD-85B425DF6293@mac.com>

jbv,

in my cookbook, weird bugs need weird solutions, try using another  
commenting scheme... if you're using -- try using ## or /* */

let us see was happen, skipping couple newlines also helps with the  
poltergeists.

Andre

On Mar 4, 2007, at 7:55 PM, jbv wrote:

> I think I have already posted on this topic a few weeks ago,
> but didn't get any reply.
>
> I have a Rev cgi script that runs fine on a Linux RH server.
> the script is about 400 lines long.
>
> In that script, I have a couple of lines that creates a path file in
> a directory on the server, opens the file, writes the content
> of a couple of variables in it and then closes the file.
> something very simple that I'm using for debugging.
>
> When my script is OK, I comment those few lines (with --
> at the beginning of each line) because I don't need them anymore.
>
> And right after that I get a systematic error 500 when running the
> script. If I uncomment the same lines, the script runs fine again.
> If I delete those lines, error 500 again...
>
> I'm puzzled because I have plenty of other comments in the same
> script, that have no effect on it...
>
> This problem seems to happen now and then on some scripts only...
>
> Any idea ?
>
> Thanks,
> JB
>
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sun Mar  4 21:09:58 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 23:09:58 -0300
Subject: Version 2 of File/Picture Chooser Widgets for Ubuntu CORRECTION
Message-ID: <45EB7BF6.50203@howsoft.com>

If anyone has actually downloaded Version 2.0 of my File/Picture Chooser 
Widgets for Ubuntu, please accept my apologies and download #2.01.

The was an itsy-bitsy teeny-weeny titchy little buggy-wuggy in it, but 
now it has been corrected.

Regards,
Bob



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Mar  4 21:45:57 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 20:45:57 -0600
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <EF584D4B-3F42-43B5-8BEE-2FD15D9A0851@mac.com>
References: <EF584D4B-3F42-43B5-8BEE-2FD15D9A0851@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20070304204557702513.be0de28e@sonsothunder.com>

On Sun, 4 Mar 2007 13:00:59 +0000, Liam Lambert wrote:

>>There are ways to direct the data to a specifically named worksheet (or
>>the active one), so if you're interested in that, let me know.
> 
> Ken I have been watching this thread with great interest it has been 
> a great help to
> me, it would be very useful to me to be able to direct the data to a 
> specifically named worksheet

Well, basically you change the VBScript that says:

   ObjXL.Range(<range>).Value

to either:

   ObjXL.ActiveWorkbook.ActiveSheet.Range(<range>).Value

if you want the currently displayed worksheet in the currently 
displayed workbook ("file"), or for a specific worksheet in a specific 
workbook, you can do:

   
ObjXL.Workbooks.Item(<shortDocumentName>).Worksheets.Item(<sheetName>).Range(<range>).Value

So to get the data from cell B3 of the worksheet "Sheet3" of the 
document "Financials.xls", you'd use:

   
ObjXL.Workbooks.Item("Financials.xls").Worksheets.Item("Sheet3").Range("B3").Value

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Sun Mar  4 22:14:50 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:14:50 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question 
In-Reply-To: <C20D9EEE.43852%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C20D9EEE.43852%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c75ed4$7001c3b0$6601a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

> Am I off-base in my thinking, and should just not worry about 
> XP disappearing in the next couple years?

I don't see XP disappearing for quite some time. MS cannot afford to walk
away from yesterday's operating system (or even the day before yesterday) -
they are in a totally different boat from Apple. Apple doesn't have the
incentive (they are incentivized in the opposite direction!) to keep
supporting older operating systems - their business model seems totally
built around constantly moving their user base forward, making it much more
attractive to simply keep buying new hardware from...Apple.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com
 



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar  4 22:28:06 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 19:28:06 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question 
In-Reply-To: <000b01c75ed4$7001c3b0$6601a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <C20D9EEE.43852%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<000b01c75ed4$7001c3b0$6601a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <ACE69D0F-F703-42E5-9087-658E7ADAA724@Cox.Net>

When one produces a product as good as the Mac, what with the  
dramatic improvements in speed and capacity, it is actually a service  
to the customers that they be hurled toward buying something better.  
I still have three, but could be 5 or 6 if I hadn't given the others  
away, quite serviceable Macs; and would probably have kept using  
them, to my own detriment, were it not for the OS changes. Each time  
I have, somewhat reluctantly, "upgraded", the cost of the new system  
has usually been less than what I paid for the slower, lower capacity  
previous setup; and I usually recouped the new expense within the  
year by way of improved productivity. Based on what I have seen in  
the Window's world, such is much less dramatically observable. So, GO  
Apple!

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 4, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

>> Am I off-base in my thinking, and should just not worry about
>> XP disappearing in the next couple years?
>
> I don't see XP disappearing for quite some time. MS cannot afford  
> to walk
> away from yesterday's operating system (or even the day before  
> yesterday) -
> they are in a totally different boat from Apple. Apple doesn't have  
> the
> incentive (they are incentivized in the opposite direction!) to keep
> supporting older operating systems - their business model seems  
> totally
> built around constantly moving their user base forward, making it  
> much more
> attractive to simply keep buying new hardware from...Apple.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> Worldwide Business Operations
> Runtime Revolution Ltd
> http://www.runrev.com
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar  4 23:01:09 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 22:01:09 -0600
Subject: strage things happening with Rev cgi 2.5
In-Reply-To: <45EB4E67.2468EBFB@club-internet.fr>
References: <45EB4E67.2468EBFB@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <45EB9605.50101@hyperactivesw.com>

jbv wrote:
> I think I have already posted on this topic a few weeks ago,
> but didn't get any reply.
> 
> I have a Rev cgi script that runs fine on a Linux RH server.
> the script is about 400 lines long.
> 
> In that script, I have a couple of lines that creates a path file in
> a directory on the server, opens the file, writes the content
> of a couple of variables in it and then closes the file.
> something very simple that I'm using for debugging.
> 
> When my script is OK, I comment those few lines (with --
> at the beginning of each line) because I don't need them anymore.
> 
> And right after that I get a systematic error 500 when running the
> script. If I uncomment the same lines, the script runs fine again.
> If I delete those lines, error 500 again...
> 
> I'm puzzled because I have plenty of other comments in the same
> script, that have no effect on it...
> 
> This problem seems to happen now and then on some scripts only...

I'm thinking this has to be a script error. The error 500 almost always 
is. The best thing to do would be to look in your system error log and 
see what it says. There will often be a pointer there that tells you 
which line of script is causing the error.

I don't think it is a commenting error. I've never had any trouble 
adding comments to cgi scripts, and your script has other commented 
lines that work. I think it is more likely that something else is 
happening, like a line that refers to a variable which was declared in 
the commented line. Look for something like that.

If the system error log doesn't tell you much, then you can start adding 
bits of code to your script to try and find the problem. This is usually 
a tedious process, but sometimes it is the only way. Add commands to the 
script that write to the browser any info you want to track. For 
example, have it send back the values of different variables at 
scattered intervals throughout the script.

An easier way, if it is possible, is to just run your script from within 
a stack in the IDE. Walking through it with the debugger will usually 
give you lots of info.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Sun Mar  4 23:30:59 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 01:30:59 -0300
Subject: strage things happening with Rev cgi 2.5
In-Reply-To: <45EB9605.50101@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45EB4E67.2468EBFB@club-internet.fr>
	<45EB9605.50101@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <8A60CF1A-47D6-4E92-8D48-A22B33A1F3BF@mac.com>

running it from ssh will tell him the error line number for him to  
check...

I had errors with commenting before, but they were very strange and  
related to the script editor completelly confusing the color schemes,  
like coloring comments and purplerizing code...

andre

On Mar 5, 2007, at 1:01 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> jbv wrote:
>> I think I have already posted on this topic a few weeks ago,
>> but didn't get any reply.
>> I have a Rev cgi script that runs fine on a Linux RH server.
>> the script is about 400 lines long.
>> In that script, I have a couple of lines that creates a path file in
>> a directory on the server, opens the file, writes the content
>> of a couple of variables in it and then closes the file.
>> something very simple that I'm using for debugging.
>> When my script is OK, I comment those few lines (with --
>> at the beginning of each line) because I don't need them anymore.
>> And right after that I get a systematic error 500 when running the
>> script. If I uncomment the same lines, the script runs fine again.
>> If I delete those lines, error 500 again...
>> I'm puzzled because I have plenty of other comments in the same
>> script, that have no effect on it...
>> This problem seems to happen now and then on some scripts only...
>
> I'm thinking this has to be a script error. The error 500 almost  
> always is. The best thing to do would be to look in your system  
> error log and see what it says. There will often be a pointer there  
> that tells you which line of script is causing the error.
>
> I don't think it is a commenting error. I've never had any trouble  
> adding comments to cgi scripts, and your script has other commented  
> lines that work. I think it is more likely that something else is  
> happening, like a line that refers to a variable which was declared  
> in the commented line. Look for something like that.
>
> If the system error log doesn't tell you much, then you can start  
> adding bits of code to your script to try and find the problem.  
> This is usually a tedious process, but sometimes it is the only  
> way. Add commands to the script that write to the browser any info  
> you want to track. For example, have it send back the values of  
> different variables at scattered intervals throughout the script.
>
> An easier way, if it is possible, is to just run your script from  
> within a stack in the IDE. Walking through it with the debugger  
> will usually give you lots of info.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  5 00:31:50 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 21:31:50 -0800
Subject: strage things happening with Rev cgi 2.5
In-Reply-To: <170F6E03-70E2-44D7-B6DD-85B425DF6293@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C210EB46.43983%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I agree with Andre.
But why not try deleting the lines instead of commenting... see if that
makes a difference.

I have gotten into the habit of commenting out handlers the following way:

--xon
--   put the short name of me
--xend

since the "--on" still fools the script interpreter most of the time.  One
indicator of being fooled is that clicking on the listed handler names on
the left of the script editor window will jump the cursor, but not highlight
the handler name, except for the ones a the top of the script editor.

Little things that need a bit of experimentation.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/4/07 4:37 PM, "Andre Garzia" <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:

> jbv,
> 
> in my cookbook, weird bugs need weird solutions, try using another
> commenting scheme... if you're using -- try using ## or /* */
> 
> let us see was happen, skipping couple newlines also helps with the
> poltergeists.
> 
> Andre
> 
> On Mar 4, 2007, at 7:55 PM, jbv wrote:
> 
>> I think I have already posted on this topic a few weeks ago,
>> but didn't get any reply.
>> 
>> I have a Rev cgi script that runs fine on a Linux RH server.
>> the script is about 400 lines long.
>> 
>> In that script, I have a couple of lines that creates a path file in
>> a directory on the server, opens the file, writes the content
>> of a couple of variables in it and then closes the file.
>> something very simple that I'm using for debugging.
>> 
>> When my script is OK, I comment those few lines (with --
>> at the beginning of each line) because I don't need them anymore.
>> 
>> And right after that I get a systematic error 500 when running the
>> script. If I uncomment the same lines, the script runs fine again.
>> If I delete those lines, error 500 again...
>> 
>> I'm puzzled because I have plenty of other comments in the same
>> script, that have no effect on it...
>> 
>> This problem seems to happen now and then on some scripts only...
>> 
>> Any idea ?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> JB
>> 
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon Mar  5 04:20:32 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:20:32 +0100
Subject: AW: strage things happening with Rev cgi 2.5
In-Reply-To: <45EB4E67.2468EBFB@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

JB,
I have made once the experience of a corrupted script or object. When
compiling the script it gave me always an error, where definatly no error
was. My solution was to copy the script into a txt file, delete the object
with its script, create a new object and paste the script again into the new
object. Now the same script was compiled without any error.
My two cents
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von jbv
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 4. M?rz 2007 23:56
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: strage things happening with Rev cgi 2.5
> 
> I think I have already posted on this topic a few weeks ago,
> but didn't get any reply.
> 
> I have a Rev cgi script that runs fine on a Linux RH server.
> the script is about 400 lines long.
> 
> In that script, I have a couple of lines that creates a path file in
> a directory on the server, opens the file, writes the content
> of a couple of variables in it and then closes the file.
> something very simple that I'm using for debugging.
> 
> When my script is OK, I comment those few lines (with --
> at the beginning of each line) because I don't need them anymore.
> 
> And right after that I get a systematic error 500 when running the
> script. If I uncomment the same lines, the script runs fine again.
> If I delete those lines, error 500 again...
> 
> I'm puzzled because I have plenty of other comments in the same
> script, that have no effect on it...
> 
> This problem seems to happen now and then on some scripts only...
> 
> Any idea ?
> 
> Thanks,
> JB
> 
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From liamlambert at mac.com  Mon Mar  5 07:07:24 2007
From: liamlambert at mac.com (Liam Lambert)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 12:07:24 +0000
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
Message-ID: <3C90A284-D37F-4AAB-B888-7E76ABA31622@mac.com>

Thank you Ken
Liam
IRELAND
liamlambert at mac.com





From wow at together.net  Mon Mar  5 07:28:06 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 05:28:06 -0700
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <45E88E0C.10908@fourthworld.com>
References: <45E88E0C.10908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <D96200E4-448B-4686-A95C-E5D1FC294A78@together.net>

Richard,

We discovered that the pending messages were the source of our file  
transferring problem. I don't know what the doc's say or when these  
messages are supposed to be sent, but I do know they greatly effected  
our file transferring routine, interrupting it at seemingly random  
times. When we paused them (using a variation on Key Ray's  
suggestion), the transfer process began working reliably. Perhaps  
this is a fault in the pending messages system that should be looked  
into.

Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies


On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Richard Miller wrote:
>> Will "lock messages" halt "pending messages" from occurring until  
>> an  unlock messages command is sent?
>
> Pending messages are only sent at idle, and "lock messages" no  
> longer has effect once idle hits should there should be no conflict.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Mar  5 08:08:41 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:08:41 -0300
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
Message-ID: <45EC1659.3050905@howsoft.com>

I have already reported this bug to Ubuntu and also informed Rev (Kevin) 
about it, so this thread is just for the record or for your participation.

Here is the original text of my report:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
In previous versions of Ubuntu, Runtime Revolution programs can be run 
directly from a pendrive by double-clicking on their icon.

In Feisty Fawn Flight 4, this does not happen. Instead, the following 
message is given:

"Cannot open /media/KINGSTON/revapp
No application suitable for automatic installation is available for 
handling this kind of file"

If it is a bug, I hope to see it fixed. If it is a new "feature", I 
don't want it. Runtime Revolution apps can still be run in this manner 
from the Desktop, and I see no reason why they should not run in a 
similar manner directly from a common pendrive.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
By mistake, I referred to "Flight" 4 when in fact it should now be 
"Herd". They both mean "Beta".

So far, Ubuntu have only asked me to supply a Rev standalone app for 
testing, which I have done. There are no further reports yet. If you 
would like to follow, or participate in, the progress of this bug (which 
I sincerely hope is not supposed to be an intended feature), navigate to:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/88229

You might also like to note how simple and client-friendly their bug 
reporting system is...

Bob




From soapdog at mac.com  Mon Mar  5 09:14:40 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:14:40 -0300
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
In-Reply-To: <45EC1659.3050905@howsoft.com>
References: <45EC1659.3050905@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <4B80810D-D098-4736-83B3-532F7A429514@mac.com>

Bob,

did you try running revolution.x86 from an xterm?

Andre

On Mar 5, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Bob Warren wrote:

> I have already reported this bug to Ubuntu and also informed Rev  
> (Kevin) about it, so this thread is just for the record or for your  
> participation.
>
> Here is the original text of my report:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> -------
> In previous versions of Ubuntu, Runtime Revolution programs can be  
> run directly from a pendrive by double-clicking on their icon.
>
> In Feisty Fawn Flight 4, this does not happen. Instead, the  
> following message is given:
>
> "Cannot open /media/KINGSTON/revapp
> No application suitable for automatic installation is available for  
> handling this kind of file"
>
> If it is a bug, I hope to see it fixed. If it is a new "feature", I  
> don't want it. Runtime Revolution apps can still be run in this  
> manner from the Desktop, and I see no reason why they should not  
> run in a similar manner directly from a common pendrive.
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> -------
> By mistake, I referred to "Flight" 4 when in fact it should now be  
> "Herd". They both mean "Beta".
>
> So far, Ubuntu have only asked me to supply a Rev standalone app  
> for testing, which I have done. There are no further reports yet.  
> If you would like to follow, or participate in, the progress of  
> this bug (which I sincerely hope is not supposed to be an intended  
> feature), navigate to:
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/88229
>
> You might also like to note how simple and client-friendly their  
> bug reporting system is...
>
> Bob
>
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar  5 09:15:26 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:15:26 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
Message-ID: <163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

How do I move a File from one folder to another? I found  
revMoveFolder, but no Move File command.

Thanks in Advance
Have a Great Weekend - All the Best
Dave

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From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar  5 09:19:57 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:19:57 +0000
Subject: How to create PDF files?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <20E2358F-1CF5-4185-8AAC-EF98FDA9A895@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Are there any products available to create PDF files in RunRev? I  
need to be able to create a simple PDF file for a Demo this week. I  
need it to be working for Friday. It looks like Quartum would do it  
but it's not available for sale as yet and I can't get figure out how  
to include the public beta into my project. I posted to the Quartum  
list but have had no answer as yet and I need to get something as a  
fall back in just in case they don't respond or I can't include it in  
my project.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From soapdog at mac.com  Mon Mar  5 09:25:17 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:25:17 -0300
Subject: How to create PDF files?
In-Reply-To: <20E2358F-1CF5-4185-8AAC-EF98FDA9A895@looktowindward.com>
References: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<20E2358F-1CF5-4185-8AAC-EF98FDA9A895@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <95B03768-7457-4B7A-A66D-E29368FDD2DF@mac.com>

Dave,

jan's pdf library and report tool are the best thing you can have. I  
recommend sticking to Quartam library, you can ask him if you can  
include it in your app by paying the license beforehand or something  
like that.

Andre

On Mar 5, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Are there any products available to create PDF files in RunRev? I  
> need to be able to create a simple PDF file for a Demo this week. I  
> need it to be working for Friday. It looks like Quartum would do it  
> but it's not available for sale as yet and I can't get figure out  
> how to include the public beta into my project. I posted to the  
> Quartum list but have had no answer as yet and I need to get  
> something as a fall back in just in case they don't respond or I  
> can't include it in my project.
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar  5 09:32:47 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:32:47 +0000
Subject: How to create PDF files?
In-Reply-To: <95B03768-7457-4B7A-A66D-E29368FDD2DF@mac.com>
References: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<20E2358F-1CF5-4185-8AAC-EF98FDA9A895@looktowindward.com>
	<95B03768-7457-4B7A-A66D-E29368FDD2DF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <18D7A345-1958-4891-801C-008CFB99E087@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I have asked, but had no reply as yet, but I need to get *something*  
ready now and if he doesn't reply or doesn't want to release it then  
I can't do the demo  and I need to let them know ASAP! So if there's  
anything out there that will do what I want NOW, I'll use it!

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:25, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Dave,
>
> jan's pdf library and report tool are the best thing you can have.  
> I recommend sticking to Quartam library, you can ask him if you can  
> include it in your app by paying the license beforehand or  
> something like that.
>
> Andre
>
> On Mar 5, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Are there any products available to create PDF files in RunRev? I  
>> need to be able to create a simple PDF file for a Demo this week.  
>> I need it to be working for Friday. It looks like Quartum would do  
>> it but it's not available for sale as yet and I can't get figure  
>> out how to include the public beta into my project. I posted to  
>> the Quartum list but have had no answer as yet and I need to get  
>> something as a fall back in just in case they don't respond or I  
>> can't include it in my project.
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>
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From mlange at widged.com  Mon Mar  5 09:44:59 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:44:59 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>

Hi Dave,

Have a try with "revCopyFile"

Examples from the doc:
revCopyFile "/Disk/myfile","/Disk/Folder/"
revCopyFile "data/settings.txt","olddata"
revCopyFile the sourceFile of this card, it

Best,
Marielle

> Hi,
>
> How do I move a File from one folder to another? I found  
> revMoveFolder, but no Move File command.




From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar  5 09:47:25 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:47:25 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
Message-ID: <9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>

Hi Marielle,

The files are in excess of 3 GB and some can be be as large as 200  
GB! I don't think that will work very well!!!

I need a native "move" command! Don't tell me there isn't one!?!?

All the Best
Dave


On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:44, Marielle Lange wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Have a try with "revCopyFile"
>
> Examples from the doc:
> revCopyFile "/Disk/myfile","/Disk/Folder/"
> revCopyFile "data/settings.txt","olddata"
> revCopyFile the sourceFile of this card, it
>
> Best,
> Marielle
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> How do I move a File from one folder to another? I found  
>> revMoveFolder, but no Move File command.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 09:53:59 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 07:53:59 -0700
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <AAA8F2C9-1DAB-4155-A2B0-BA0F00353265@gmail.com>

Hello.

I don't think there is a native move file command. You will probably  
get more mileage calling a shell command to move what you need to  
(such as "mv" on *nix).

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center

On Mar 5, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Dave wrote:

> Hi Marielle,
>
> The files are in excess of 3 GB and some can be be as large as 200  
> GB! I don't think that will work very well!!!
>
> I need a native "move" command! Don't tell me there isn't one!?!?
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
>
> On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:44, Marielle Lange wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Have a try with "revCopyFile"
>>
>> Examples from the doc:
>> revCopyFile "/Disk/myfile","/Disk/Folder/"
>> revCopyFile "data/settings.txt","olddata"
>> revCopyFile the sourceFile of this card, it
>>
>> Best,
>> Marielle
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> How do I move a File from one folder to another? I found  
>>> revMoveFolder, but no Move File command.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Mar  5 09:54:10 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:54:10 +0100
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>

Hi Dave,

> Hi Marielle,
>
> The files are in excess of 3 GB and some can be be as large as 200  
> GB! I don't think that will work very well!!!
> I need a native "move" command! Don't tell me there isn't one!?!?

here is my post from three days ago, which is still valid...

> All the Best
> Dave

#####################

> Hi Dave,
>
>> Hi,
>> How do I move a File from one folder to another? I found  
>> revMoveFolder, but no Move File command.

!!!!

> have a close look at the "rename" command :-)

!!!!

>> Thanks in Advance
>> Have a Great Weekend - All the Best
>> Dave

####################

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de




From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar  5 10:01:48 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:01:48 +0000
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703020234p1a3bf334m23b69056b692f7d9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45E6FC8F.4040903@fourthworld.com>
	<998E54D8-F7C4-4073-9395-1A1608526E52@looktowindward.com>
	<f73a98160703020234p1a3bf334m23b69056b692f7d9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3DF333F3-3397-43F9-B9BF-A623E3A4BF0B@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

> This is the type of thing where threads tend to go south here:
>
> >>> Whoever wrote the documentation didn't understand how Arrays in
> >>> RunRev work.
> >>
> >> That would be hard to believe. Jeanne DeVoto, who wrote most of the
> >> documentation, is one of the foremost documentation experts on
> >> xtalk scripting, starting with HyperCard, where she was one of the
> >> authors of the definitive reference book for that program. She has
> >> been working with the language for 20 years, and I'm certain she
> >> understands how arrays work in Revolution. But if you haven't
> >> worked much with associative arrays, I can see how it could be
> >> confusing.
> >
> > Well he should have known better then!
>
> First, Jeanne is a woman.
>

Just a typing error, didn't meant to imply otherwise.

> Second, that a mistake is made in any product's documentation does not
> necessarily mean the author doesn't understand the concepts involved,
> nor does finding such a mistake mean the author is fair game for  
> insults.
>

There were no insults made and are you 100% sure that Jeanne *did*  
write that particular piece of  documentation?

> I'll be perfectly honest with you: the Rev documentation contains some
> errors and omissions.
>
> And I hope you're sitting down for this next one, as it may shock your
> very core: Nearly all software products (certainly all that I've  
> seen in
> 20+ years) have errors and omissions in their documentation.

Agree, have never said otherwise.

>
> Sorry to have to break it to you, but the sooner you accept the
> complexity of shipping software products, the sooner you'll be able to
> deal with your own customers more effectively when they find errors  
> and
> omissions in your product documentation.  I hope they report them  
> to you
> in a way that doesn't insult your experience, since that would be as
> unnecessary as it is unproductive.
>

I am very effective in dealing with my own customers. If there are  
problems I fix them quickly and don't leave things like this hanging  
around for years. I have never insulted anyone's experience and I  
hope you don't think that I do or have.

> I don't know how many thousands of pages of documentation you've
> written, and I'll admit I've written fewer than 10,000 pages over my
> career thus far.  But through those modest efforts I've come to
> appreciate the difficulty of the task, and -- as with code -- I've  
> come
> to accept that in this imperfect world products will be imperfect.
>

I've no idea how many I have written. At a guess I'd say 10,000 or so  
like yourself. I've been programming since 1978 I think.

> Fortunately with software, unlike cars and space shuttles, we get a
> second chance.  Commercial software is almost always delivered in a
> series of versions, and each new version offers an opportunity to
> address errors and omissions found in the last one.

This hasn't been the case in RunRev, especially in the IDE and  
documentation. I have reported loads of things and none of them have  
been changed or updated in over 3 years. I've now reported this one.  
Anyone care to to bet me some money that it will get fixed any time  
soon?

> So yes, you've found something in the docs which is technically in  
> most
> cases an error.  Good job.  Your diligence is appreciated.

Thank you.

One thing on this list is that when you do mention something like  
this, a few people immediately jump to the defensive as if the person  
doing the mentioning is attacking their baby or kid sister and make  
all kinds of excuses or come up with all kinds of reasons why what  
the mentioner has mentioned is somehow incorrect or point to other  
places in the documentation where what has been mentioned incorrectly  
is mentioned there correctly as if this somehow justifies or makes  
lessens the original problem.

> And now that I've submitted your request for you, and now that you
> understand that Rev's are associative arrays and how associative  
> arrays
> work, may we get back on a productive track to address specifically  
> how
> these arrays are causing a problem in your work?

I understood them perfectly before I looked up "delete". The  
documentation then threw me for a bit since it was incorrect.

> There are a lot of people here who try to be helpful. For example,  
> I've
> shown you twice now how the syntax for working with associative arrays
> in Rev is largely identical to how one might use numeric arrays,  
> and how
> you can use the unrestricted types of keys in associative arrays for a
> broader range of solutions beyond what numeric arrays can support.

I understood that before. My point was that the documentation was  
incorrect and led me to think that the use of a numeric key (17) was  
a special case whereby it turned it back into a normally index type  
array. Which was not the case.

>
> I'm confident that if you can share with us the specific problem  
> you're
> facing with using associative arrays, some of the folks here can help
> you solve that problem.

I do not have a specific problem with arrays in RunRev. The  
documentation threw me is all.

Take Care and All the Best
Dave



From mlange at widged.com  Mon Mar  5 10:03:12 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:03:12 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <828EE29F-447F-4D7C-A17A-A900BF705879@widged.com>

Hi Dave,

What about using the shell? Impossible to consider at all?

Marielle

The obstacle is the path.
--Zen Proverb

On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:47, Dave wrote:

> Hi Marielle,
>
> The files are in excess of 3 GB and some can be be as large as 200  
> GB! I don't think that will work very well!!!
>
> I need a native "move" command! Don't tell me there isn't one!?!?
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
>
> On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:44, Marielle Lange wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Have a try with "revCopyFile"
>>
>> Examples from the doc:
>> revCopyFile "/Disk/myfile","/Disk/Folder/"
>> revCopyFile "data/settings.txt","olddata"
>> revCopyFile the sourceFile of this card, it
>>
>> Best,
>> Marielle
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> How do I move a File from one folder to another? I found  
>>> revMoveFolder, but no Move File command.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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Best regards,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education







From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Mon Mar  5 10:05:59 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:05:59 +0000
Subject: How to create PDF files?
In-Reply-To: <18D7A345-1958-4891-801C-008CFB99E087@looktowindward.com>
References: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<20E2358F-1CF5-4185-8AAC-EF98FDA9A895@looktowindward.com>
	<95B03768-7457-4B7A-A66D-E29368FDD2DF@mac.com>
	<18D7A345-1958-4891-801C-008CFB99E087@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <3E102A91-E2E3-4B46-9F42-5D49C13128E3@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

I ran a check on some links I had to do with converting to PDF:

http://www.lowagie.com/iText/
http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/
http://jasperforge.org/sf/projects/jasperreports
http://www.pdflib.com/products/platforms/     Not cheap!

I've used iText from a Java app, pulling it in through Terminal app.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:32, Dave wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have asked, but had no reply as yet, but I need to get  
> *something* ready now and if he doesn't reply or doesn't want to  
> release it then I can't do the demo  and I need to let them know  
> ASAP! So if there's anything out there that will do what I want  
> NOW, I'll use it!
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
>
> On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:25, Andre Garzia wrote:
>
>> Dave,
>>
>> jan's pdf library and report tool are the best thing you can have.  
>> I recommend sticking to Quartam library, you can ask him if you  
>> can include it in your app by paying the license beforehand or  
>> something like that.
>>
>> Andre
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Are there any products available to create PDF files in RunRev? I  
>>> need to be able to create a simple PDF file for a Demo this week.  
>>> I need it to be working for Friday. It looks like Quartum would  
>>> do it but it's not available for sale as yet and I can't get  
>>> figure out how to include the public beta into my project. I  
>>> posted to the Quartum list but have had no answer as yet and I  
>>> need to get something as a fall back in just in case they don't  
>>> respond or I can't include it in my project.
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot
>>> All the Best
>>> Dave
>>>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar  5 10:08:37 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:08:37 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Sorry, my mailer is playing up, I lost quite a few emails over the  
weekend.

Thanks a lot for that. Just didn't think of looking at the rename  
command. The documentation really is all over the place. If you look  
up revMoveFolder, revCopyFile or revCopyFolder is doesn't say to  
"also look at" rename, but if you look up "rename" is does say to  
"also look at" revCopyFile etc.

Thanks again
All the Best
Dave

On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:54, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
>> Hi Marielle,
>>
>> The files are in excess of 3 GB and some can be be as large as 200  
>> GB! I don't think that will work very well!!!
>> I need a native "move" command! Don't tell me there isn't one!?!?
>
> here is my post from three days ago, which is still valid...
>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>
> #####################
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> How do I move a File from one folder to another? I found  
>>> revMoveFolder, but no Move File command.
>
> !!!!
>
>> have a close look at the "rename" command :-)
>
> !!!!
>
>>> Thanks in Advance
>>> Have a Great Weekend - All the Best
>>> Dave
>
> ####################
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Mon Mar  5 10:12:47 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:12:47 +0000
Subject: How to create PDF files? Part II
In-Reply-To: <3E102A91-E2E3-4B46-9F42-5D49C13128E3@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<20E2358F-1CF5-4185-8AAC-EF98FDA9A895@looktowindward.com>
	<95B03768-7457-4B7A-A66D-E29368FDD2DF@mac.com>
	<18D7A345-1958-4891-801C-008CFB99E087@looktowindward.com>
	<3E102A91-E2E3-4B46-9F42-5D49C13128E3@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B421B9A6-7C69-4892-BF0F-90D00DB85081@anachreon.co.uk>

Don''t know what platform you're on, but I would assume that on OS X  
you could pipe it to TextEdit and get it to save it as a PDF  
(AppleScript triggers). For fancier stuff then it could be piped to  
Pages (part of iWork).

Cheers,

Luis.



On 5 Mar 2007, at 15:05, Luis wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> I ran a check on some links I had to do with converting to PDF:
>
> http://www.lowagie.com/iText/
> http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/
> http://jasperforge.org/sf/projects/jasperreports
> http://www.pdflib.com/products/platforms/     Not cheap!
>
> I've used iText from a Java app, pulling it in through Terminal app.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>
>
> On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:32, Dave wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have asked, but had no reply as yet, but I need to get  
>> *something* ready now and if he doesn't reply or doesn't want to  
>> release it then I can't do the demo  and I need to let them know  
>> ASAP! So if there's anything out there that will do what I want  
>> NOW, I'll use it!
>>
>> Thanks a lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:25, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>
>>> Dave,
>>>
>>> jan's pdf library and report tool are the best thing you can  
>>> have. I recommend sticking to Quartam library, you can ask him if  
>>> you can include it in your app by paying the license beforehand  
>>> or something like that.
>>>
>>> Andre
>>>
>>> On Mar 5, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Are there any products available to create PDF files in RunRev?  
>>>> I need to be able to create a simple PDF file for a Demo this  
>>>> week. I need it to be working for Friday. It looks like Quartum  
>>>> would do it but it's not available for sale as yet and I can't  
>>>> get figure out how to include the public beta into my project. I  
>>>> posted to the Quartum list but have had no answer as yet and I  
>>>> need to get something as a fall back in just in case they don't  
>>>> respond or I can't include it in my project.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks a lot
>>>> All the Best
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Mar  5 10:13:49 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:13:49 +0100
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>
	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>

Hi Dave,

> Hi,
>
> Sorry, my mailer is playing up, I lost quite a few emails over the  
> weekend.
>
> Thanks a lot for that. Just didn't think of looking at the rename  
> command. The documentation really is all over the place. If you  
> look up revMoveFolder, revCopyFile or revCopyFolder is doesn't say  
> to "also look at" rename, but if you look up "rename" is does say  
> to "also look at" revCopyFile etc.

in the older days we did not even have "revMoveFolder", "revCopyFile"  
nor "revWhatEver"! ;-)

> Thanks again
> All the Best
> Dave

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar  5 10:27:45 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:27:45 +0000
Subject: How to create PDF files? Part II
In-Reply-To: <B421B9A6-7C69-4892-BF0F-90D00DB85081@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<20E2358F-1CF5-4185-8AAC-EF98FDA9A895@looktowindward.com>
	<95B03768-7457-4B7A-A66D-E29368FDD2DF@mac.com>
	<18D7A345-1958-4891-801C-008CFB99E087@looktowindward.com>
	<3E102A91-E2E3-4B46-9F42-5D49C13128E3@anachreon.co.uk>
	<B421B9A6-7C69-4892-BF0F-90D00DB85081@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <85BBAF5D-FD3D-468A-9A44-E12DDA613590@looktowindward.com>

Hi Luis,

Yes, I'm on MacOS X. I looked at doing that, but it seems like a lot  
of work and it is fairly fancy and so would need "pages" and I can't  
guarantee that they will have this on their system. If I can't use  
the Quartum library or something like it then I'll probably write my  
own External Command Module that uses the Apple PDF Development Kit,  
(you never know I might even be able to sell it separately!!). I'm  
going to leave it for a bit and if I don't hear anything I'll have to  
cancel the demo!

Thanks a lot for your help,
All the Best
Dave

On 5 Mar 2007, at 15:12, Luis wrote:

> Don''t know what platform you're on, but I would assume that on OS  
> X you could pipe it to TextEdit and get it to save it as a PDF  
> (AppleScript triggers). For fancier stuff then it could be piped to  
> Pages (part of iWork).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>
>
>
> On 5 Mar 2007, at 15:05, Luis wrote:
>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> I ran a check on some links I had to do with converting to PDF:
>>
>> http://www.lowagie.com/iText/
>> http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/
>> http://jasperforge.org/sf/projects/jasperreports
>> http://www.pdflib.com/products/platforms/     Not cheap!
>>
>> I've used iText from a Java app, pulling it in through Terminal app.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Luis.
>>
>>
>> On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:32, Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have asked, but had no reply as yet, but I need to get  
>>> *something* ready now and if he doesn't reply or doesn't want to  
>>> release it then I can't do the demo  and I need to let them know  
>>> ASAP! So if there's anything out there that will do what I want  
>>> NOW, I'll use it!
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot
>>> All the Best
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5 Mar 2007, at 14:25, Andre Garzia wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dave,
>>>>
>>>> jan's pdf library and report tool are the best thing you can  
>>>> have. I recommend sticking to Quartam library, you can ask him  
>>>> if you can include it in your app by paying the license  
>>>> beforehand or something like that.
>>>>
>>>> Andre
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 5, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Are there any products available to create PDF files in RunRev?  
>>>>> I need to be able to create a simple PDF file for a Demo this  
>>>>> week. I need it to be working for Friday. It looks like Quartum  
>>>>> would do it but it's not available for sale as yet and I can't  
>>>>> get figure out how to include the public beta into my project.  
>>>>> I posted to the Quartum list but have had no answer as yet and  
>>>>> I need to get something as a fall back in just in case they  
>>>>> don't respond or I can't include it in my project.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks a lot
>>>>> All the Best
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar  5 10:32:00 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 07:32:00 -0800
Subject: Pendingmessages
Message-ID: <45EC37F0.8090501@fourthworld.com>

Richard Miller wrote:

 > On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
 >> Pending messages are only sent at idle, and "lock messages" no
 >> longer has effect once idle hits should there should be no conflict.
 >>
 > We discovered that the pending messages were the source of our file
 > transferring problem. I don't know what the doc's say or when these
 > messages are supposed to be sent, but I do know they greatly effected
 > our file transferring routine, interrupting it at seemingly random
 > times. When we paused them (using a variation on Key Ray's
 > suggestion), the transfer process began working reliably. Perhaps
 > this is a fault in the pending messages system that should be looked
 > into.

Possibly, or the root cause may lie with libURL, or with the way libURL 
is used.

While some libURL calls are blocking, most are asynchronous. If you were 
using any of the non-blocking calls all bets are off with regard to 
pendingMessages, since messages from libURL may easily become 
interleaved with your own.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From wow at together.net  Mon Mar  5 10:34:47 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 08:34:47 -0700
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <45EC37F0.8090501@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EC37F0.8090501@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <0B3D0012-A9C4-4C50-BA24-539B0CA2CE03@together.net>

Yes.... that was exactly it. We were using a non-blocking transfer,  
and pending messages did interfere with it.
Richard


On Mar 5, 2007, at 8:32 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Richard Miller wrote:
>
> > On Mar 2, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> >> Pending messages are only sent at idle, and "lock messages" no
> >> longer has effect once idle hits should there should be no  
> conflict.
> >>
> > We discovered that the pending messages were the source of our file
> > transferring problem. I don't know what the doc's say or when these
> > messages are supposed to be sent, but I do know they greatly  
> effected
> > our file transferring routine, interrupting it at seemingly random
> > times. When we paused them (using a variation on Key Ray's
> > suggestion), the transfer process began working reliably. Perhaps
> > this is a fault in the pending messages system that should be looked
> > into.
>
> Possibly, or the root cause may lie with libURL, or with the way  
> libURL is used.
>
> While some libURL calls are blocking, most are asynchronous. If you  
> were using any of the non-blocking calls all bets are off with  
> regard to pendingMessages, since messages from libURL may easily  
> become interleaved with your own.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar  5 10:36:58 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:36:58 -0600
Subject: How to create PDF files? Part II
In-Reply-To: <85BBAF5D-FD3D-468A-9A44-E12DDA613590@looktowindward.com>
References: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<20E2358F-1CF5-4185-8AAC-EF98FDA9A895@looktowindward.com>
	<95B03768-7457-4B7A-A66D-E29368FDD2DF@mac.com>
	<18D7A345-1958-4891-801C-008CFB99E087@looktowindward.com>
	<3E102A91-E2E3-4B46-9F42-5D49C13128E3@anachreon.co.uk>
	<B421B9A6-7C69-4892-BF0F-90D00DB85081@anachreon.co.uk>
	<85BBAF5D-FD3D-468A-9A44-E12DDA613590@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <20070305093658343878.6cbdf890@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:27:45 +0000, Dave wrote:

> Hi Luis,
> 
> Yes, I'm on MacOS X. I looked at doing that, but it seems like a lot 
> of work and it is fairly fancy and so would need "pages" and I can't 
> guarantee that they will have this on their system. If I can't use 
> the Quartum library or something like it then I'll probably write my 
> own External Command Module that uses the Apple PDF Development Kit, 
> (you never know I might even be able to sell it separately!!). I'm 
> going to leave it for a bit and if I don't hear anything I'll have to 
> cancel the demo!

If they're plain text files (might even work with RTF), you can pipe it 
to the 'convert' application in the shell on OS X:

function stsMakePDF pSrcPath,pDestPath
  switch (the platform)
  case "MacOS"
    if isOSX() then
      set the cursor to watch
      put "/System/Library/Printers/Libraries/convert" into tConvertApp
      get shell(tConvertApp && "-f" && q(pSrcPath) && "-o" && 
q(pDestPath) && "-j application/pdf")
      if it = "" then
        return "OK"
      else
        return "Error : " & it
      end if
    else
      return "Error : stsMakePDF only works on Mac OS X."
    end if
    break
  default
    return "Error : stsMakePDF only works on Mac OS X."
    break
  end switch
end stsMakePDF

Other than that, can't you simply print it and in the print dialog 
choose "Save as PDF..." from the PDF dropdown menu in the Print dialog?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Mar  5 10:38:47 2007
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 07:38:47 -0800
Subject: How to create PDF files? Part II
In-Reply-To: <B421B9A6-7C69-4892-BF0F-90D00DB85081@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
	<20E2358F-1CF5-4185-8AAC-EF98FDA9A895@looktowindward.com>
	<95B03768-7457-4B7A-A66D-E29368FDD2DF@mac.com>
	<18D7A345-1958-4891-801C-008CFB99E087@looktowindward.com>
	<3E102A91-E2E3-4B46-9F42-5D49C13128E3@anachreon.co.uk>
	<B421B9A6-7C69-4892-BF0F-90D00DB85081@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B0018771735@SATURN.pon.net>

All,

>Don''t know what platform you're on, but I would assume that on OS X
>you could pipe it to TextEdit and get it to save it as a PDF

If Rev is running on OS X, "open printing with dialog" opens the OS X 
print dialog, which includes a "Save as PDF" option.


Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)



From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar  5 11:04:08 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:04:08 +0000
Subject: How to create PDF files? Part II
In-Reply-To: <B0018771735@SATURN.pon.net>
References: <000d01c75f07$8c749990$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
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	<B0018771735@SATURN.pon.net>
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Hi,

Basically I need the following:

Page 1 - Title Page has 2 Images at top left and top right of the  
page, then a list of statistics about the movie file that has been  
analyzed.

Page 2 to End, has two (html like) tables side by side with 6 columns  
across. The first 5 contain Text data, the 6th contains a small image.

e.g.

Time Code   RED  SPAT  LUM    X
00:00:01:00  0.0    0.0       0.3      2.1      IMAGE
00:00:01:01  0.0    0.0       0.4      2.1      M
00:00:01:01  0.0    0.0       0.4      2.1      A
00:00:01:01  0.0    0.0       0.4      2.1      G
00:00:01:01  0.0    0.0       0.4      2.1      E


The data is basically the time code of the movie and data about that  
section, the image is a thumbnail of the frame in the movie and  
covers all 5 vertical entries.

I'm not sure if I can do this just using native RunRev and the tools  
mentioned so far can do this and I don't want to waste time finding  
out. I looked at the Quartum Library and I reasonably sure it could  
do it, so it's worth a try.


All the Best
Dave


On 5 Mar 2007, at 15:38, Rob Cozens wrote:

> All,
>
>> Don''t know what platform you're on, but I would assume that on OS X
>> you could pipe it to TextEdit and get it to save it as a PDF
>
> If Rev is running on OS X, "open printing with dialog" opens the OS  
> X print dialog, which includes a "Save as PDF" option.
>
>
> Rob Cozens
> CCW, Serendipity Software Company
>
> "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
> Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
>
> from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar  5 11:22:13 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:22:13 -0800
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
Message-ID: <45EC43B5.9090601@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:

>> > Well he should have known better then!
>>
>> First, Jeanne is a woman.
> 
> Just a typing error, didn't meant to imply otherwise.

No problem. Errors happen.

>> Second, that a mistake is made in any product's documentation does not
>> necessarily mean the author doesn't understand the concepts involved,
>> nor does finding such a mistake mean the author is fair game for  
>> insults.
> 
> There were no insults made and are you 100% sure that Jeanne *did*  
> write that particular piece of  documentation?

The latter is a good question, considering the number of people who have 
contributed to the documentation.  But given the age of that token and 
who was doing what when, it seems likely that entry was written by Jeanne.

But regardless who wrote it, "should have known better" implies 
incompetence.

>> Fortunately with software, unlike cars and space shuttles, we get a
>> second chance.  Commercial software is almost always delivered in a
>> series of versions, and each new version offers an opportunity to
>> address errors and omissions found in the last one.
> 
> This hasn't been the case in RunRev, especially in the IDE and  
> documentation. I have reported loads of things and none of them have  
> been changed or updated in over 3 years. I've now reported this one.  
> Anyone care to to bet me some money that it will get fixed any time  
> soon?

Hard to say.  No release will have 100% of errors and omissions 
corrected, and of the hundred or so addressed in the latest release this 
one wasn't among them.  It was, however, confirmed this morning by 
RunRev staff, so at least they're aware of it.

As far as bugs go, this one is pretty minor. As you noted, it hasn't 
even caused any problem in your own work, and since the syntax as shown 
in the docs is fully functional and nearly identical to what one would 
expect for using numeric arrays, it's not likely to be any bigger 
problem for others than it has been thus far.

> One thing on this list is that when you do mention something like  
> this, a few people immediately jump to the defensive as if the person  
> doing the mentioning is attacking their baby or kid sister and make  
> all kinds of excuses or come up with all kinds of reasons why what  
> the mentioner has mentioned is somehow incorrect or point to other  
> places in the documentation where what has been mentioned incorrectly  
> is mentioned there correctly as if this somehow justifies or makes  
> lessens the original problem.

Those are two separate issues, and attempting to merge them may mislead 
  newcomers here.

The reader here will find hundreds of posts relating to problem-solving, 
some of them relating to working around bugs. I've contributed both 
bug-verification requests, and suggestions for working around bugs to 
help folks find what they need to keep moving their work forward.

In this case I acknowledged that this is a problem, submitted the bug 
report for you, and thanked you for identifying it.  Hard to be clearer 
or more supportive than that.

As a completely separate matter I noted that implying incompetence with 
the author of the documentation is unnecessary and counterproductive.

The severity of a bug is inherent in the bug itself:  it either causes 
problems or it doesn't.  When it does, the first thing to do is log the 
bug, and once that's done the most productive course is it to find an 
alternate solution while the fix is pending.

This bug is considered minor not by anything I wrote, but by your own 
description of how it's affected your work:

> I do not have a specific problem with arrays in RunRev.

Glad to hear it.

Peace and productivity -

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar  5 11:25:15 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 08:25:15 -0800
Subject: Pendingmessages
Message-ID: <45EC446B.2020103@fourthworld.com>

Richard Miller wrote:

 >>> We discovered that the pending messages were the source of our file
 >>> transferring problem. I don't know what the doc's say or when these
 >>> messages are supposed to be sent, but I do know they greatly
 >>> effected our file transferring routine, interrupting it at seemingly
 >>> random times. When we paused them (using a variation on Key Ray's
 >>> suggestion), the transfer process began working reliably. Perhaps
 >>> this is a fault in the pending messages system that should be looked
 >>> into.
 >>
 >> Possibly, or the root cause may lie with libURL, or with the way
 >> libURL is used.
 >>
 >> While some libURL calls are blocking, most are asynchronous. If you
 >> were using any of the non-blocking calls all bets are off with
 >> regard to pendingMessages, since messages from libURL may easily
 >> become interleaved with your own.
 >
 > Yes.... that was exactly it. We were using a non-blocking transfer,
 > and pending messages did interfere with it.

There's a blocking form for uploading and downloading available in 
libURL, and in the last several versions includes callbacks so one can 
update a progress indicator or do other minor housekeeping.  Would that 
help your situation?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Mar  5 11:35:06 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:35:06 -0300
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <45EC46BA.8040009@howsoft.com>

Chipp wrote:

 >Bob,

There's no way Mac can be #1 unless they allow others to sell
hardware. Too many companies can't rely on a single-source hardware
solution.

------------------------------------
Hey Chipp, I think you're getting me mixed up with Joe.
Leaving hopes on one side, my own prediction for the state of the computer world's pecking order within the next few years is:

1. Microsoft
2. Linux (Ubuntu?)
3. Macintosh

If the Microsoft market share does (continue to) retract, it'll probably end up being used mainly by the richer sectors of the first-world countries (i.e. a minority of the world's computer users), but even that wouldn't happen overnight.

Bob




From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Mar  5 11:41:04 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:41:04 -0300
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
Message-ID: <45EC4820.6090808@howsoft.com>

Andre wrote:

 >Bob,
did you try running revolution.x86 from an xterm?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
No I didn't, but it would be a good thing to try.

At this very moment I'm downloading Herd 5. I'll see whether they've 
already done anything about the problem, try running from an xterm if 
necessary, and let you know.

Thanks for the suggestion.

Bob


From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar  5 11:57:58 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:57:58 +0000
Subject: Delete an Array Entry?
In-Reply-To: <45EC43B5.9090601@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EC43B5.9090601@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <2F077871-FCF4-43A1-9483-8441564DEA8E@looktowindward.com>

Hi Richard,

On 5 Mar 2007, at 16:22, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
>>> > Well he should have known better then!
>>>
>>> First, Jeanne is a woman.
>> Just a typing error, didn't meant to imply otherwise.
>
> No problem. Errors happen.

Yes and as long as they are addressed in a timely manner there is  
little harm in them, it's when something goes unattended for a long  
time that the real harm begins to set in.

>>> Second, that a mistake is made in any product's documentation  
>>> does not
>>> necessarily mean the author doesn't understand the concepts  
>>> involved,
>>> nor does finding such a mistake mean the author is fair game for   
>>> insults.
>> There were no insults made and are you 100% sure that Jeanne  
>> *did*  write that particular piece of  documentation?
>
> The latter is a good question, considering the number of people who  
> have contributed to the documentation.  But given the age of that  
> token and who was doing what when, it seems likely that entry was  
> written by Jeanne.
>
> But regardless who wrote it, "should have known better" implies  
> incompetence.

I disagree. I don't think that it implies incompetence at all. To me,  
"should have known better" means just that, and, once addressed, it  
shows that you do know better. However, whether or not Jeanne wrote  
it or not and whether she should have known better or not and whether  
she is incompetent or not is beside the point (not that I think she  
is). She did not build RunRev and she does not sell the product and  
so is not responsible for it, so any remark made about her has no  
real bearing as far as this and other problems are concerned, which  
is why I thought is funny that her name was brought up.

>>> Fortunately with software, unlike cars and space shuttles, we get a
>>> second chance.  Commercial software is almost always delivered in a
>>> series of versions, and each new version offers an opportunity to
>>> address errors and omissions found in the last one.
>> This hasn't been the case in RunRev, especially in the IDE and   
>> documentation. I have reported loads of things and none of them  
>> have  been changed or updated in over 3 years. I've now reported  
>> this one.  Anyone care to to bet me some money that it will get  
>> fixed any time  soon?
>
> Hard to say.  No release will have 100% of errors and omissions  
> corrected, and of the hundred or so addressed in the latest release  
> this one wasn't among them.  It was, however, confirmed this  
> morning by RunRev staff, so at least they're aware of it.
>
> As far as bugs go, this one is pretty minor. As you noted, it  
> hasn't even caused any problem in your own work, and since the  
> syntax as shown in the docs is fully functional and nearly  
> identical to what one would expect for using numeric arrays, it's  
> not likely to be any bigger problem for others than it has been  
> thus far.

It is very minor, I agree, but the solution would take very little  
effort to implement. Less time than has been spent talking about it  
on this list in fact. There are a lot of things like this in RunRev  
that just don't seem to get fixed even though they would take so  
little time to actually put right.
>
>> One thing on this list is that when you do mention something like   
>> this, a few people immediately jump to the defensive as if the  
>> person  doing the mentioning is attacking their baby or kid sister  
>> and make  all kinds of excuses or come up with all kinds of  
>> reasons why what  the mentioner has mentioned is somehow incorrect  
>> or point to other  places in the documentation where what has been  
>> mentioned incorrectly  is mentioned there correctly as if this  
>> somehow justifies or makes  lessens the original problem.
>
> Those are two separate issues, and attempting to merge them may  
> mislead  newcomers here.

Not sure what you mean? I wasn't referring to you in that paragraph,  
I don't think you have ever indulged in this kind of behavour.

> The reader here will find hundreds of posts relating to problem- 
> solving, some of them relating to working around bugs. I've  
> contributed both bug-verification requests, and suggestions for  
> working around bugs to help folks find what they need to keep  
> moving their work forward.

Yes, you have contributed a lot, and I personally thank you for  
helping me in the past.

> In this case I acknowledged that this is a problem, submitted the  
> bug report for you, and thanked you for identifying it.  Hard to be  
> clearer or more supportive than that.

Thanks again.

> As a completely separate matter I noted that implying incompetence  
> with the author of the documentation is unnecessary and  
> counterproductive.

I wasn't referring to you in that remark, and, I didn't imply  
incompetence, that was the last thing in my mind when I wrote it. in  
my opinion mentioning the author by name in the first place was the  
mistake. What was the need for it? Once mentioned by name, anything  
said would be very likely to be taken personally even if it wasn't  
meant that way.

> The severity of a bug is inherent in the bug itself:  it either  
> causes problems or it doesn't.  When it does, the first thing to do  
> is log the bug, and once that's done the most productive course is  
> it to find an alternate solution while the fix is pending.

I agree.

> This bug is considered minor not by anything I wrote, but by your  
> own description of how it's affected your work:
>
>> I do not have a specific problem with arrays in RunRev.
>
> Glad to hear it.
>
> Peace and productivity -

Live Long and Prosper!

All the Best
Dave



From kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com  Mon Mar  5 11:56:25 2007
From: kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com (Kirill Pekarov)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:56:25 +0200
Subject: Build external on Linux
Message-ID: <1934907741.20070305185625@valentina-db.com>

Hi, List.

Is anyone has successful build plugin under Linux?

Is anywhere present documentation or may be worked example where
used Revolution SDK and Linux?

In root RunRevExternalSDK present Makefile, but it is not build
nothing, just errors I have here.

Thanks!

-- 
Best regards, 

Kirill Pekarov
Software Engineer Associate
Paradigma Software, Inc
Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database
http://www.valentina-db.com



From chris at altuit.com  Mon Mar  5 12:34:44 2007
From: chris at altuit.com (chris bohnert)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:34:44 -0600
Subject: Build external on Linux
In-Reply-To: <1934907741.20070305185625@valentina-db.com>
References: <1934907741.20070305185625@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <2e0cf4750703050934u1de8ea1eobaee36ebf4e7a3d@mail.gmail.com>

Kirill,

  The xcmdGlue code has been around for awhile.  I haven't been able to
compile it out of the box since about gcc 2.95.  You are more than likely
using a much newer gcc.  You might try adding the -fpermissive flag to see
if that helps or change to an earlier gcc version.

Its also worth noting that a Linux external is an executable that should
contain a "main" for loading the Xtable...as opposed to the mac and windows
externals which are shared objects.

--
cb

On 3/5/07, Kirill Pekarov <kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, List.
>
> Is anyone has successful build plugin under Linux?
>
> Is anywhere present documentation or may be worked example where
> used Revolution SDK and Linux?
>
> In root RunRevExternalSDK present Makefile, but it is not build
> nothing, just errors I have here.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Kirill Pekarov
> Software Engineer Associate
> Paradigma Software, Inc
> Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database
> http://www.valentina-db.com
>
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From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon Mar  5 12:41:10 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:41:10 +0100
Subject: AW: How to create PDF files?
In-Reply-To: <95B03768-7457-4B7A-A66D-E29368FDD2DF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <003901c75f4d$7891a580$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

Hello,
I am too interested in creating pdfs on Win and Mac. I didn't find any link
to quartum in google. Can anyone provide a link?
Someone posted to just use the print dialog on mac. Is a pdf printer
standard on mac? On win it is not.
Thank you
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia
> Gesendet: Montag, 5. M?rz 2007 15:25
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: How to create PDF files?
> 
> Dave,
> 
> jan's pdf library and report tool are the best thing you can have. I
> recommend sticking to Quartam library, you can ask him if you can
> include it in your app by paying the license beforehand or something
> like that.
> 
> Andre
> 
> On Mar 5, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Are there any products available to create PDF files in RunRev? I
> > need to be able to create a simple PDF file for a Demo this week. I
> > need it to be working for Friday. It looks like Quartum would do it
> > but it's not available for sale as yet and I can't get figure out
> > how to include the public beta into my project. I posted to the
> > Quartum list but have had no answer as yet and I need to get
> > something as a fall back in just in case they don't respond or I
> > can't include it in my project.
> >
> > Thanks a lot
> > All the Best
> > Dave
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Mar  5 12:46:26 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:46:26 +0000
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <45EC446B.2020103@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EC446B.2020103@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5892873F-5CFF-46A7-ADCF-1A5961C05A7F@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 5 Mar 2007, at 16:25, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> There's a blocking form for uploading and downloading available in  
> libURL, and in the last several versions includes callbacks so one  
> can update a progress indicator or do other minor housekeeping.   
> Would that help your situation?

I haven't quite grasped Richard's problem of the pendingMessages. But  
I doubt it would make a difference whether using "blocking" or non- 
blocking url routines. The so-called blocking routines are only  
"script-blocking". i.e. they block the currently executing handler,  
but will allow other asynchronous activity. (For example, clicking on  
an active button during a download, or presumably executing anything  
put on the pendingMessages queue before the "blocking" routine was  
called.)

Generally, anything on the pendingMessages queue will execute during  
an FTP file transfer, if it's due to be run at that time. Depending  
on the message, it might interfere with the transfer. For example, a  
long repeat that exceeds the socketTimeout interval.

Cheers
Dave



From mark_powell at symantec.com  Mon Mar  5 12:50:13 2007
From: mark_powell at symantec.com (Mark Powell)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 09:50:13 -0800
Subject: How to create PDF files?
References: <003901c75f4d$7891a580$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C703FC57A7@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>

Google quartam (with an a) and you will find it.

www.quartam.com 


-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Tiemo Hollmann TB
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 10:41 AM
To: 'How to use Revolution'
Subject: AW: How to create PDF files?

Hello,
I am too interested in creating pdfs on Win and Mac. I didn't find any link to quartum in google. Can anyone provide a link?
Someone posted to just use the print dialog on mac. Is a pdf printer standard on mac? On win it is not.
Thank you
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution- 
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia
> Gesendet: Montag, 5. M?rz 2007 15:25
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: Re: How to create PDF files?
> 
> Dave,
> 
> jan's pdf library and report tool are the best thing you can have. I 
> recommend sticking to Quartam library, you can ask him if you can 
> include it in your app by paying the license beforehand or something 
> like that.
> 
> Andre
> 
> On Mar 5, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > Are there any products available to create PDF files in RunRev? I 
> > need to be able to create a simple PDF file for a Demo this week. I 
> > need it to be working for Friday. It looks like Quartum would do it 
> > but it's not available for sale as yet and I can't get figure out 
> > how to include the public beta into my project. I posted to the 
> > Quartum list but have had no answer as yet and I need to get 
> > something as a fall back in just in case they don't respond or I 
> > can't include it in my project.
> >
> > Thanks a lot
> > All the Best
> > Dave
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> > subscription preferences:
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From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Mar  5 12:50:23 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:50:23 +0100
Subject: AW: How to create PDF files?
In-Reply-To: <003901c75f4d$7891a580$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <003901c75f4d$7891a580$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <37D78415-405F-4FFF-8FBE-310BC312AD98@major-k.de>

Hi Tiemo,

> Hello,
> I am too interested in creating pdfs on Win and Mac. I didn't find  
> any link
> to quartum in google. Can anyone provide a link?

No wonder, the name is QUARTAM :-)

Check this page: http://www.quartam.com/

> Someone posted to just use the print dialog on mac. Is a pdf  
> printer standard on mac?

Standard on Mac OS X only!

> On win it is not.

Sure it isn't ;-)

> Thank you
> Tiemo

Regards and Gr??e

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From toolbook at kestner.de  Mon Mar  5 12:55:44 2007
From: toolbook at kestner.de (Tiemo Hollmann TB)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:55:44 +0100
Subject: AW: How to create PDF files?
In-Reply-To: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C703FC57A7@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c75f4f$80334fd0$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>

No wonder, even with google, you should be able to spell ;-)
Thanks Mark and Klaus
Tiemo

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Mark Powell
> Gesendet: Montag, 5. M?rz 2007 18:50
> An: How to use Revolution
> Betreff: RE: How to create PDF files?
> 
> Google quartam (with an a) and you will find it.
> 
> www.quartam.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Tiemo Hollmann TB
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 10:41 AM
> To: 'How to use Revolution'
> Subject: AW: How to create PDF files?
> 
> Hello,
> I am too interested in creating pdfs on Win and Mac. I didn't find any
> link to quartum in google. Can anyone provide a link?
> Someone posted to just use the print dialog on mac. Is a pdf printer
> standard on mac? On win it is not.
> Thank you
> Tiemo
> 
> > -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
> > bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia
> > Gesendet: Montag, 5. M?rz 2007 15:25
> > An: How to use Revolution
> > Betreff: Re: How to create PDF files?
> >
> > Dave,
> >
> > jan's pdf library and report tool are the best thing you can have. I
> > recommend sticking to Quartam library, you can ask him if you can
> > include it in your app by paying the license beforehand or something
> > like that.
> >
> > Andre
> >
> > On Mar 5, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Are there any products available to create PDF files in RunRev? I
> > > need to be able to create a simple PDF file for a Demo this week. I
> > > need it to be working for Friday. It looks like Quartum would do it
> > > but it's not available for sale as yet and I can't get figure out
> > > how to include the public beta into my project. I posted to the
> > > Quartum list but have had no answer as yet and I need to get
> > > something as a fall back in just in case they don't respond or I
> > > can't include it in my project.
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot
> > > All the Best
> > > Dave
> > >
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From jamesjrichards at lineone.net  Mon Mar  5 12:53:02 2007
From: jamesjrichards at lineone.net (James Richards)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:53:02 +0000
Subject: How to create PDF files?
In-Reply-To: <003901c75f4d$7891a580$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
References: <003901c75f4d$7891a580$18b2a8c0@TiemoPC2>
Message-ID: <4def347e2032192e9a7afdc2c575577c@lineone.net>

Try here: http://www.quartam.com/

:)

James
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Tel. +44 (0)15394 43063
On 5 Mar, 2007, at 17:41, Tiemo Hollmann TB wrote:

> Hello,
> I am too interested in creating pdfs on Win and Mac. I didn't find any 
> link
> to quartum in google. Can anyone provide a link?
> Someone posted to just use the print dialog on mac. Is a pdf printer
> standard on mac? On win it is not.
> Thank you
> Tiemo
>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com [mailto:use-revolution-
>> bounces at lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Andre Garzia
>> Gesendet: Montag, 5. M?rz 2007 15:25
>> An: How to use Revolution
>> Betreff: Re: How to create PDF files?
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> jan's pdf library and report tool are the best thing you can have. I
>> recommend sticking to Quartam library, you can ask him if you can
>> include it in your app by paying the license beforehand or something
>> like that.
>>
>> Andre
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Are there any products available to create PDF files in RunRev? I
>>> need to be able to create a simple PDF file for a Demo this week. I
>>> need it to be working for Friday. It looks like Quartum would do it
>>> but it's not available for sale as yet and I can't get figure out
>>> how to include the public beta into my project. I posted to the
>>> Quartum list but have had no answer as yet and I need to get
>>> something as a fall back in just in case they don't respond or I
>>> can't include it in my project.
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot
>>> All the Best
>>> Dave
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription preferences:
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From FlexibleLearning at aol.com  Mon Mar  5 13:30:40 2007
From: FlexibleLearning at aol.com (FlexibleLearning at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:30:40 EST
Subject: How to create PDF files? 
Message-ID: <c8c.9b8e25d.331dbbd0@aol.com>

General obvious point: If you have "Acrobat PDF  Writer" as one of your print 
options, it works a treat on Windows. I don't know  if Acrobat for OSX comes 
with a similar printer driver.

/H  

   


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon Mar  5 13:34:44 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 12:34:44 -0600
Subject: Changing a Field's contents when a global variable is changed
Message-ID: <45EC62C4.8030204@crcom.net>

Is there a way to have the contents of a field on a card change when a 
global variable (in this case an array variable) is changed?

I have a multiple card application that I'm converting from Tcl.  One of 
the things I like about Tcl is that a field has a parameter called 
-textvariable) that points to a location that holds the contents to be 
displayed in that field.  If you change the contents of the field, what 
you are really changing is the global variable and vis-versa.  This 
allows me to put a field on several cards (in different locations on 
each card) and when I read a new record, I just put the results into a 
global array.  I'd like to try and do the same thing in Rev if it's 
possible.

I'd like to avoid writing a script in the "readrecord" function that has 
to know the names of every field on every card that needs to show that 
information, and then looping through and setting the text of each of 
those fields to the contents of the global variable.  This seems like it 
would be very hard to maintain system.

Thanks,

Len Morgan


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Mar  5 13:57:23 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:57:23 +0000
Subject: How to create PDF files? 
In-Reply-To: <c8c.9b8e25d.331dbbd0@aol.com>
References: <c8c.9b8e25d.331dbbd0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <61BCC020-1385-40E6-B2B9-C3AB19DDC8FB@azurevision.co.uk>


On 5 Mar 2007, at 18:30, FlexibleLearning at aol.com wrote:

> General obvious point: If you have "Acrobat PDF  Writer" as one of  
> your print
> options, it works a treat on Windows. I don't know  if Acrobat for  
> OSX comes
> with a similar printer driver.

All print dialog boxes on OS X have an option to print to PDF as part  
of the OS. If you install Acrobat you then get a PDF writer turning  
up as a printer as well, but with more options.

Ian


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Mar  5 14:02:14 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 16:02:14 -0300
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
Message-ID: <45EC6936.7040809@howsoft.com>

Andre:

I have tried running Rev from my pendrive using xterm in Feisty Fawn 
Flight 5 on a live CD. Here is the result:

ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86
bash: /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86: Permission denied
ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ sudo /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86
sudo: unable to execute /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86: 
Permission denied
ubuntu at ubuntu:~$

Since I had never tried this from xterm in 6.06 LTS Dapper Drake that I 
have installed, I then did it to compare results. Without using sudo, 
Rev ran OK, but it gave me the following guff:

bob at bob-desktop:~$ /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86
Could not open libgdk-x11-2.0.so: libgobject-2.0.so: cannot open shared 
object file: No such file or directory
bob at bob-desktop:~$

Being the very clever young fellow you are, perhaps you can deduce 
something from this. I can't.

One other interesting thing in Herd5 - not connected with the above - is 
the fact that the beautiful new control panel for preferences and 
administration that was present in Herd4 has now disappeared! We're back 
to the old menus again...


Regards,
Bob



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar  5 16:21:54 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:21:54 -0800
Subject: Print to PDF on Win?
Message-ID: <45EC89F2.4010905@fourthworld.com>


Which freeware solution would you recommend for printing to PDF from 
Windows?

I have a lot of printing tests to do, so I prefer a virtual printer.

TIA -

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Mon Mar  5 16:29:02 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:29:02 -0300
Subject: Print to PDF on Win?
In-Reply-To: <45EC89F2.4010905@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EC89F2.4010905@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C7F23D9A-E8A4-49A7-98CA-C1C75B6FF850@mac.com>

Richard,

there is a free one called "pdf995" which is hosted at pdf995, I've  
used once some years ago and it worked for me.

Cheers
andre

On Mar 5, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> Which freeware solution would you recommend for printing to PDF  
> from Windows?
>
> I have a lot of printing tests to do, so I prefer a virtual printer.
>
> TIA -
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Mon Mar  5 16:54:47 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 16:54:47 -0500
Subject: AW: How to create PDF files?
Message-ID: <OFEB871B91.46E8D901-ON85257295.0077D593@sealedair.com>

"Tiemo Hollmann TB" wrote:
> Hello,
> I am too interested in creating pdfs on Win and Mac. I didn't find any 
link
> to quartum in google. Can anyone provide a link?
> Someone posted to just use the print dialog on mac. Is a pdf printer
> standard on mac? On win it is not.
> Thank you
> Tiemo

On win it is not... correct.  But there is a FREE alternative.  CutePDF 
Writer is absolutely FREE. It utilizes GPL Ghostscript 8.15 as the PDF 
engine.  I use it allot, and it works great.  Hey, did I mention that it 
is FREE?  :-)

http://www.cutepdf.com/Products/CutePDF/writer.asp

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  5 16:52:38 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 13:52:38 -0800
Subject: Changing a Field's contents when a global variable is changed
In-Reply-To: <45EC62C4.8030204@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <C211D126.439EC%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


On 3/5/07 10:34 AM, "Len Morgan" <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:

> Is there a way to have the contents of a field on a card change when a
> global variable (in this case an array variable) is changed?
> 
> I have a multiple card application that I'm converting from Tcl.  One of
> the things I like about Tcl is that a field has a parameter called
> -textvariable) that points to a location that holds the contents to be
> displayed in that field.  If you change the contents of the field, what
> you are really changing is the global variable and vis-versa.  This
> allows me to put a field on several cards (in different locations on
> each card) and when I read a new record, I just put the results into a
> global array.  I'd like to try and do the same thing in Rev if it's
> possible.
> 
> I'd like to avoid writing a script in the "readrecord" function that has
> to know the names of every field on every card that needs to show that
> information, and then looping through and setting the text of each of
> those fields to the contents of the global variable.  This seems like it
> would be very hard to maintain system.

It sounds like you are using different field names on each card, and not
using groups to work with layouts.  Also, it sounds like you are using each
card to be a different layout for the user benefit. If this is the case,
then......

There are ways of doing the task you outline very efficiently, but not using
the same simple mode of Tc1, which is similar to several Excel formulas
linking one value to may locations.

First part - You can use a single global for each value, but better to use a
list format for all of your record fields.  My preference would be to read
the data record into an array variable, set the customproperties of this
stack to that array variable. (see why below)

The basic handlers you would write to make updating automatic are in the
stack script:

on populateAllRecordFlds
  put the customproperties of this stack into tempList
  combine tempList using cr and tab
  --now you have a table of property names and values
  --eg.  (where ^ is the tab char)
  --rcdTime^2:49 PM
  --rcdDate^2/20/07
  --rcdDescription^Last update session
  --rcdTitle^Planning Meeting Notes
  --updateTimeStamp^11223441232
  
  filter tempList with "rcd*"
   --now you only  have the values
   --you care to update
   
   replace "rcd" with empty in tempList
  set the itemdel to tab
  repeat for every line LNN in tempList
    --LNN is a var that contains the entire line
    put item 1 of LNN into fldName
    do "put "& item 2 of LNN & " into fld "& fldName
  end repeat
  
end populateAllRecordFlds

--then you can
on opencard
  --for this card only
  populateAllRecordFlds
end opencard

on retrieveRecord
  --do the retrieve stuff here
  populateAllRecordFlds
end retrieveRecord

on closefield
    --update Array
end closefield

My preferred method would be to use a stack custom property since globals
are actually global to the Rev environ, not just the stack.  The same global
name used by any other stack would declare and update the same global.

Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Mon Mar  5 17:02:53 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:02:53 -0500
Subject: Print to PDF on Win?
Message-ID: <OF8187DCCE.BD8ABB0C-ON85257295.0078A72B@sealedair.com>

> Richard,
> 
> there is a free one called "pdf995" which is hosted at pdf995, I've 
> used once some years ago and it worked for me.
> 
> Cheers
> andre
> 
> On Mar 5, 2007, at 6:21 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>>
>> Which freeware solution would you recommend for printing to PDF 
>> from Windows?
>>
>> I have a lot of printing tests to do, so I prefer a virtual printer.
>>
>> TIA -
>>
>> -- 
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Media Corporation

I have also tested "pdf995".  It has allot of batch conversion capability. 
 It also produces nice quality PNG and JPG files from a PDF source. 
"pdf995" also uses Ghostscript as its conversion engine.  As a general 
purpose PDF virtual printer though, you can't beat CutePDF Writer.

http://www.cutepdf.com/Products/CutePDF/writer.asp

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Mon Mar  5 17:12:16 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 18:12:16 -0400
Subject: Database query fields
In-Reply-To: <C202447A.2E3AD%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <C2120E00.2F16D%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Hi

I know how to manually set database properties (
cRevGeneral["databaseQueryObject"] ) using the property inspector
But I would like to go through about thirty fields with a script and set the
name of the 
Linkcolumn to the same as the fld name
Set the queryobject to "bgnd "Connect"
And set the update after editing to true.

>From the name of the property it looks like I am changing values in an
array.

Can someone send me some simple script suggestions for this?

Bill




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Mar  5 18:34:41 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:34:41 -0800
Subject: Print to PDF on Win?
In-Reply-To: <45EC89F2.4010905@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EC89F2.4010905@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <45ECA911.5010506@pdslabs.net>

Hi Richard,

After some testing, I installed PDFCreator on our 3 Windows computers here and 
have since recommended it to others. It works great.

    http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/

Even my wife, a seriously technology-disinclined person, uses it successfully.

Phil Davis



Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> Which freeware solution would you recommend for printing to PDF from 
> Windows?
> 
> I have a lot of printing tests to do, so I prefer a virtual printer.
> 
> TIA -
> 


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Mar  5 18:37:45 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 00:37:45 +0100
Subject: Print to PDF on Win?
In-Reply-To: <45EC89F2.4010905@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EC89F2.4010905@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1CE4BA08-AF7A-4383-9A5A-A7DC7502005B@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richard,

I'm using an open-source tool PDFCreator, which works very nicely  
once you know how to use it. It can also serve as a printer server  
for Mac OS X while running on Windows and can run from the command  
line while it also has a complete GIU (for converting files and  
monitoring progress, not for composing PDFs). It can also e-mail the  
resulting file or save it to a particular folder. See <http:// 
www.pdfforge.org/products/pdfcreator> for more info.

Best,

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 5-mrt-2007, om 22:21 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven:

>
> Which freeware solution would you recommend for printing to PDF  
> from Windows?
>
> I have a lot of printing tests to do, so I prefer a virtual printer.
>
> TIA -
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com




From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 19:57:24 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 17:57:24 -0700
Subject: BinaryDecode
Message-ID: <A75CC7F7-0B65-4AD2-B15F-8BC5B3453F44@gmail.com>

Hello.

I'm working with a helper application to process some video data.  
It's passing in int32 and float32 parameters as binary data and I  
need to convert them into actual integers and floating point values.  
I've been trying to use BinaryDecode to accomplish this, however it  
just isn't working. If anyone can spare a minute, here is the  
base64encoded version of my data.

AAE+uaSzPyPAv0CVBg==

According to their API, there are two int32's at the front and eight  
floating point values on the end.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
The Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center

From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar  5 20:20:24 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:20:24 -0800
Subject: Print to PDF on Win?
Message-ID: <45ECC1D8.3030501@fourthworld.com>

Mark Schonewille wrote:
> I'm using an open-source tool PDFCreator, which works very nicely  
> once you know how to use it. It can also serve as a printer server  
> for Mac OS X while running on Windows and can run from the command  
> line while it also has a complete GIU (for converting files and  
> monitoring progress, not for composing PDFs). It can also e-mail the  
> resulting file or save it to a particular folder. See <http:// 
> www.pdfforge.org/products/pdfcreator> for more info.

Thanks, Mark.  Easy to install, a treat to use.  Perfect.


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  5 20:35:42 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:35:42 -0700
Subject: BinaryDecode
In-Reply-To: <A75CC7F7-0B65-4AD2-B15F-8BC5B3453F44@gmail.com>
References: <A75CC7F7-0B65-4AD2-B15F-8BC5B3453F44@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8F79FF06-6245-45DB-AEEF-B44A88DC5735@gmail.com>

Correction: The base 64 version of the data is this:

AAAAAj9b6Lo+qptlQJfA8wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHA==


On Mar 5, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Brent Anderson wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I'm working with a helper application to process some video data.  
> It's passing in int32 and float32 parameters as binary data and I  
> need to convert them into actual integers and floating point  
> values. I've been trying to use BinaryDecode to accomplish this,  
> however it just isn't working. If anyone can spare a minute, here  
> is the base64encoded version of my data.
>
> AAE+uaSzPyPAv0CVBg==
>
> According to their API, there are two int32's at the front and  
> eight floating point values on the end.
>
> Any help would be very much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Brent Anderson
> The Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Mar  5 22:35:27 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:35:27 -0800
Subject: Code like a girl...
Message-ID: <34608713423.20070305193527@ahsoftware.net>

All-

http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/03/code_like_a_gir.html

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Mon Mar  5 22:35:02 2007
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:35:02 +1100
Subject: Odd issue with compress
In-Reply-To: <20070301180005.915BC488ED6@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C2132C96.1566%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

I've come up against a bit of an odd problem...

I'm doing some data modelling that requires me to create long encoded
strings using the md5digest function - by long I mean tens of thousands of
characters long. I then do a comparison of the strings using a distance
metric based on the individual and combined lengths of the strings after
they have been compressed using Rev's compress function.

This all seems to work nicely until the combined length of the strings
exceeds 65000 characters whereupon the compression fails. By fails, I mean
that if I concatenate two identical encoded strings of 32400 characters and
compress them I get a compressed length of a bit over 32400 but if the
strings are 32500 each the compressed length is a bit over 65000.

I've tried doing this with non-encoded strings and it seems to work fine so
I'm guessing it has something to do with the fact the the individual encoded
strings have very little internal redundancy (if that makes sense).

Does anyone have any idea what might be causing this 'problem'?

Cheers,

Terry...



From john at debraneys.com  Mon Mar  5 22:41:46 2007
From: john at debraneys.com (john at debraneys.com)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 03:41:46 +0000
Subject: Code like a girl...
Message-ID: <W5230428495127931173152506@webmail8>

Mark,
One of the best compliments I ever got about a software program that I had written was from another programmer. After watching me demo the software interface he looked at me kinda strange and said "this may sound weird, but that looks somehow, beautiful". 
As we were talking about maritime security, data encryption etc. at the time I was rather chuffed...
Regards
John T

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Wieder [mailto:mwieder at ahsoftware.net]
>Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 10:35 PM
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Subject: Code like a girl...
>
>All-
>
>http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/03/code_like_a_gir.html
>
>-- 
>-Mark Wieder
> mwieder at ahsoftware.net
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From soapdog at mac.com  Mon Mar  5 23:09:26 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 01:09:26 -0300
Subject: Code like a girl...
In-Reply-To: <34608713423.20070305193527@ahsoftware.net>
References: <34608713423.20070305193527@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <6F48CD6F-444E-4110-8FF2-AA4D6DA6EB95@mac.com>

Mark,

you know, I do think like that too. My little list function, a silly  
function I built out of necessity is the very best and most elegant  
function I ever wrote.

function list
     local tList
     repeat with x = 1 to paramcount()
       put param(x) & cr after tList
     end repeat
     delete char -1 of tList
     return tList
end list

  It does a simple thing, it picks an arbitrary number of parameters  
and return them as a cr delimited list, very good for looping things  
such as years. I don't know if that classifies as "girl code" but I  
think that function is at least cute.

sometimes I read code by some luminaries here on the list that look  
so fine that I want to print them and stack them on my wall... I  
actually did that once with some scheme code which was the only time  
I understood what call/cc did.

Cheers
andre




On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:35 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> All-
>
> http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/03/ 
> code_like_a_gir.html
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar  5 23:27:22 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 20:27:22 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <45ECEDAA.6070203@fourthworld.com>

On the question of whether it's technically possible to run Vista under
virtualization, this author at Macworld.com of course never actually
tried, but notes that he had a "dream" about doing so, and reports what
happened in that dream:

<http://www.macworld.com/2007/02/firstlooks/vistamac/index.php>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Mar  6 00:21:10 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:21:10 -0800
Subject: Windows crash logs
Message-ID: <A22247E5-542A-48F3-B2FF-3578335BC6B6@canelasoftware.com>

I am getting a repeatable crash on Windows, but do not know where to  
go for the new internal crash logs.  Would someone please point me in  
the right direction?  Thanks.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Mar  6 00:26:11 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:26:11 -0800
Subject: Windows crash logs
In-Reply-To: <A22247E5-542A-48F3-B2FF-3578335BC6B6@canelasoftware.com>
References: <A22247E5-542A-48F3-B2FF-3578335BC6B6@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <7B287F5A-85A7-43AE-B6DF-22823ADAA7BC@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 5, 2007, at 9:21 PM, Mark Talluto wrote:

> I am getting a repeatable crash on Windows, but do not know where  
> to go for the new internal crash logs.  Would someone please point  
> me in the right direction?  Thanks.
>
>
> Mark Talluto


I found it on the forums.  Now off to BZ.

C:\Documents and Settings\{Your Name}\Application Data\Runtime  
Revolution\{Your Version of Revolution}\Crash Logs


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Mar  6 02:31:16 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 01:31:16 -0600
Subject: Print to PDF on Win?
In-Reply-To: <45ECC1D8.3030501@fourthworld.com>
References: <45ECC1D8.3030501@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703052331g6cbd0cdr8492c25011b52d18@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.cutepdf.com/Products/CutePDF/writer.asp
I've used it for years


From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Mar  6 03:24:16 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:24:16 +0000
Subject: BinaryDecode
In-Reply-To: <8F79FF06-6245-45DB-AEEF-B44A88DC5735@gmail.com>
References: <A75CC7F7-0B65-4AD2-B15F-8BC5B3453F44@gmail.com>
	<8F79FF06-6245-45DB-AEEF-B44A88DC5735@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EEC967CC-8F80-4FCB-B43F-2F25FA5313B2@maseurope.net>

Brent, you need to use the base64Decode function:

put base64Decode(tData) into tBinaryData

then the binaryDecode functions should do what you need.

Best,

Mark

On 6 Mar 2007, at 01:35, Brent Anderson wrote:

> Correction: The base 64 version of the data is this:
>
> AAAAAj9b6Lo+qptlQJfA8wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHA==
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Brent Anderson wrote:
>
>> Hello.
>>
>> I'm working with a helper application to process some video data.  
>> It's passing in int32 and float32 parameters as binary data and I  
>> need to convert them into actual integers and floating point  
>> values. I've been trying to use BinaryDecode to accomplish this,  
>> however it just isn't working. If anyone can spare a minute, here  
>> is the base64encoded version of my data.
>>
>> AAE+uaSzPyPAv0CVBg==
>>
>> According to their API, there are two int32's at the front and  
>> eight floating point values on the end.
>>
>> Any help would be very much appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Brent Anderson
>> The Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar  6 04:14:33 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:14:33 +0000
Subject: Code like a girl...
In-Reply-To: <34608713423.20070305193527@ahsoftware.net>
References: <34608713423.20070305193527@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <85EE5022-C55D-48E6-B790-9745F217A66D@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

This used to be a bit like Mac verses PC! The Mac looked (and still  
does, to me anyway) much more elegant and beautiful than the PC. I  
think the hardware led for the development of much more beautiful  
software, such as QuicktTime and ColorSync!

Great Article!

All the Best
Dave

On 6 Mar 2007, at 03:35, Mark Wieder wrote:

> All-
>
> http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/03/ 
> code_like_a_gir.html
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr  Tue Mar  6 05:11:12 2007
From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:11:12 +0100
Subject: Code like a girl...
References: <34608713423.20070305193527@ahsoftware.net>
	<85EE5022-C55D-48E6-B790-9745F217A66D@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <45ED3E3E.3D5BCDF4@club-internet.fr>


Hi,

Have you ever read "Microserfs" by Douglas Coupland ?
I loved the part where one of the nerds falls in love with a
girl just because of the way she writes code...

JB



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 05:31:14 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:31:14 +0800
Subject: Code like a girl...
In-Reply-To: <45ED3E3E.3D5BCDF4@club-internet.fr>
References: <34608713423.20070305193527@ahsoftware.net>
	<85EE5022-C55D-48E6-B790-9745F217A66D@looktowindward.com>
	<45ED3E3E.3D5BCDF4@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703060231j2c8bf44dg55743774bacef71a@mail.gmail.com>

>From the article:

Things that aren't just functional, but easy to read, elegantly
> maintainable, easier--and more joyful--to use, and sometimes flat-out sexy.
>

Yes, Apple has made some highly desirable hardware, the outward appearance
of a program can be downright gorgeous - some of Scott Rossi's come to mind.
Rev code is much easier on my brain than any other, BUT if I were ever to
meet a person who looked at the underlying code and described it as 'sexy' I
could only assume they missed a few key point in 'birds n bees' 101 ;-)


From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar  6 05:42:46 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:42:46 +0000
Subject: Code like a girl...
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703060231j2c8bf44dg55743774bacef71a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <34608713423.20070305193527@ahsoftware.net>
	<85EE5022-C55D-48E6-B790-9745F217A66D@looktowindward.com>
	<45ED3E3E.3D5BCDF4@club-internet.fr>
	<f73a98160703060231j2c8bf44dg55743774bacef71a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D4EFF135-D593-4A94-84FC-0BB7A9FD2C45@looktowindward.com>


On 6 Mar 2007, at 10:31, Kay C Lan wrote:

>> From the article:
>
> Things that aren't just functional, but easy to read, elegantly
>> maintainable, easier--and more joyful--to use, and sometimes flat- 
>> out sexy.
>>
>
> Yes, Apple has made some highly desirable hardware, the outward  
> appearance
> of a program can be downright gorgeous - some of Scott Rossi's come  
> to mind.
> Rev code is much easier on my brain than any other, BUT if I were  
> ever to
> meet a person who looked at the underlying code and described it as  
> 'sexy' I
> could only assume they missed a few key point in 'birds n bees'  
> 101 ;-)

Yeah! There isn't much about code that turns me on either!!! Mind you  
I've seen some really horrendous code in my time. One such example  
was a single C function that spanned 5 pages, used (and re-used)  
single character local variables. It was coded by someone who's first  
language was French (mine is English) and used French Abbreviations  
for the few structures it accessed and had but one comment which was  
right at the end. The line read:

return(-1);  /* merde */

Cheers
Dave



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Mar  6 05:36:37 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:36:37 +0000
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <45ECEDAA.6070203@fourthworld.com>
References: <45ECEDAA.6070203@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <200703061036.37847.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

In my own dream, I did it too, and a few days later MS showed up with a writ 
summoning me to court for my crimes and misdemeanors.  I publicized the event 
massively.  There was a huge groundswell of support which bought me the most 
expensive lawyers in the EC, and when the case came to trial it was thrown 
out amid massive publicity, on the grounds that it was an attempt to enforce 
unlawful and anti-competitive post sales restrictions on use.  The Commission 
published press releases applauding the result.  I was famous.

The result was that Eulas everywhere in the EC had to be rewritten and the 
rights of the purchaser to use the software as he liked were publicly 
affirmed.

In my dream I now seemed to have become clairvoyant, because I could see all 
the way to California and Seattle.  I saw Bill Gates and Steve Jobs on the 
phone to each other.  Jobs was saying to Gates "why did you have to prosecute 
the bum, you knew you would lose, and now you have ruined it for all of us".

Then I woke up.


On Tuesday 06 March 2007 04:27, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> On the question of whether it's technically possible to run Vista under
> virtualization, this author at Macworld.com of course never actually
> tried, but notes that he had a "dream" about doing so, and reports what
> happened in that dream:
>
> <http://www.macworld.com/2007/02/firstlooks/vistamac/index.php>


From wow at together.net  Tue Mar  6 06:29:11 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 04:29:11 -0700
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <5892873F-5CFF-46A7-ADCF-1A5961C05A7F@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <45EC446B.2020103@fourthworld.com>
	<5892873F-5CFF-46A7-ADCF-1A5961C05A7F@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3A7BFE2D-C99F-4035-A71C-6F103D113810@together.net>

Here is from our experience. I can't explain why this is happening,  
but repeated tests show that it does.

1) Using the blocking form (put url xx into url yy), we experienced  
that a foreground file transfer that might take 30 seconds would be  
effected by a pendingmessage file transfer scheduled to occur  
sometime during the time frame of that foreground transfer

2) Using the non-blocking form (libURLFTPupload or download), in  
concert with a "wait until messages" line thereafter, would also be  
effected by pending messages.

Canceling all pending messages, then resending them after the  
transfers, helped a great deal. Keep in mind all of these transfers  
are occurring under strained wireless conditions outdoors over a  
distance of up to 500 feet, with a signal that can drop briefly at  
any time. We have to structure all of our transfers with considerable  
robustness to repeat the transfer over and over again until it is  
successful.

We've also discovered that the built-in Rev file transferring methods  
(both blocking and non-blocking) cannot simply be immediately  
repeated if one fails during a transfer attempt... at least not with  
Rumpus ftp server software and OSX. The server (under its default  
settings) rejects subsequent attempts unless we unload the url, send  
a QUIT command, and wait some period of time before starting the next  
attempt. We're still trying to come up with a reliable approach to  
guarantee any downloads or uploads work every time, even if it takes  
five attempts.

Richard


On Mar 5, 2007, at 10:46 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:

>
> On 5 Mar 2007, at 16:25, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>>
>> There's a blocking form for uploading and downloading available in  
>> libURL, and in the last several versions includes callbacks so one  
>> can update a progress indicator or do other minor housekeeping.   
>> Would that help your situation?
>
> I haven't quite grasped Richard's problem of the pendingMessages.  
> But I doubt it would make a difference whether using "blocking" or  
> non-blocking url routines. The so-called blocking routines are only  
> "script-blocking". i.e. they block the currently executing handler,  
> but will allow other asynchronous activity. (For example, clicking  
> on an active button during a download, or presumably executing  
> anything put on the pendingMessages queue before the "blocking"  
> routine was called.)
>
> Generally, anything on the pendingMessages queue will execute  
> during an FTP file transfer, if it's due to be run at that time.  
> Depending on the message, it might interfere with the transfer. For  
> example, a long repeat that exceeds the socketTimeout interval.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
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From kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com  Tue Mar  6 06:31:18 2007
From: kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com (Kirill Pekarov)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:31:18 +0200
Subject: Build external on Linux
In-Reply-To: <2e0cf4750703050934u1de8ea1eobaee36ebf4e7a3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1934907741.20070305185625@valentina-db.com>
	<2e0cf4750703050934u1de8ea1eobaee36ebf4e7a3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1684699.20070306133118@valentina-db.com>

Hi, chris.

You wrote 05.03.2007, 19:34:44:

> You might try adding the -fpermissive flag to see
> if that helps or change to an earlier gcc version.
Yes this flag help resolve some problems.

> Its also worth noting that a Linux external is an executable that should
> contain a "main" for loading the Xtable...as opposed to the mac and windows
> externals which are shared objects.
I don't understand, what exactly must be in the main function?

Thanks a lot!

-- 
Best regards,

Kirill Pekarov
Software Engineer Associate
Paradigma Software, Inc
Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database
http://www.valentina-db.com



From briany at qldlearning.com  Tue Mar  6 07:24:51 2007
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 04:24:51 -0800
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <3A7BFE2D-C99F-4035-A71C-6F103D113810@together.net>
References: <45EC446B.2020103@fourthworld.com>
	<5892873F-5CFF-46A7-ADCF-1A5961C05A7F@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<3A7BFE2D-C99F-4035-A71C-6F103D113810@together.net>
Message-ID: <EE762F72-6CC0-448E-8454-7C18C1FCA558@qldlearning.com>

Richard,

If you're uneasy about your current workaround, here are a couple of  
ideas that might help:

1) You could use a blocking shell() command to do the uploads and  
avoid libURL for this particular task.

Example: get shell("curl -T uploadfile -u user:passwd ftp:// 
ftp.upload.com/myfile")

2) Assuming you wrap the upload in a handler, you could possibly  
track the number of uploads running and avoid running more than one  
at a time. If one is already running, another could retry in 10  
second (or whatever interval):

global numUploads
on uploadFile tFile
         if (numUploads > 0) then
            send "uploadFile tFile" to me in 10 seconds
         else
             add 1 to numUploads
             put ... into url ...
             if (success) then subtract 1 from numLoads
         end if
end if

HTH,
Brian

> Here is from our experience. I can't explain why this is happening,  
> but repeated tests show that it does.
>
> 1) Using the blocking form (put url xx into url yy), we experienced  
> that a foreground file transfer that might take 30 seconds would be  
> effected by a pendingmessage file transfer scheduled to occur  
> sometime during the time frame of that foreground transfer
>
> 2) Using the non-blocking form (libURLFTPupload or download), in  
> concert with a "wait until messages" line thereafter, would also be  
> effected by pending messages.
>
> Canceling all pending messages, then resending them after the  
> transfers, helped a great deal. Keep in mind all of these transfers  
> are occurring under strained wireless conditions outdoors over a  
> distance of up to 500 feet, with a signal that can drop briefly at  
> any time. We have to structure all of our transfers with  
> considerable robustness to repeat the transfer over and over again  
> until it is successful.
>
> We've also discovered that the built-in Rev file transferring  
> methods (both blocking and non-blocking) cannot simply be  
> immediately repeated if one fails during a transfer attempt... at  
> least not with Rumpus ftp server software and OSX. The server  
> (under its default settings) rejects subsequent attempts unless we  
> unload the url, send a QUIT command, and wait some period of time  
> before starting the next attempt. We're still trying to come up  
> with a reliable approach to guarantee any downloads or uploads work  
> every time, even if it takes five attempts.
>
> Richard
>
>
> On Mar 5, 2007, at 10:46 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:
>
>>
>> On 5 Mar 2007, at 16:25, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> There's a blocking form for uploading and downloading available  
>>> in libURL, and in the last several versions includes callbacks so  
>>> one can update a progress indicator or do other minor  
>>> housekeeping.  Would that help your situation?
>>
>> I haven't quite grasped Richard's problem of the pendingMessages.  
>> But I doubt it would make a difference whether using "blocking" or  
>> non-blocking url routines. The so-called blocking routines are  
>> only "script-blocking". i.e. they block the currently executing  
>> handler, but will allow other asynchronous activity. (For example,  
>> clicking on an active button during a download, or presumably  
>> executing anything put on the pendingMessages queue before the  
>> "blocking" routine was called.)
>>
>> Generally, anything on the pendingMessages queue will execute  
>> during an FTP file transfer, if it's due to be run at that time.  
>> Depending on the message, it might interfere with the transfer.  
>> For example, a long repeat that exceeds the socketTimeout interval.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Mar  6 08:03:24 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:03:24 +0000
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <3A7BFE2D-C99F-4035-A71C-6F103D113810@together.net>
References: <45EC446B.2020103@fourthworld.com>
	<5892873F-5CFF-46A7-ADCF-1A5961C05A7F@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<3A7BFE2D-C99F-4035-A71C-6F103D113810@together.net>
Message-ID: <8EFFFDCE-D936-4401-824F-99EE8EA89879@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 6 Mar 2007, at 11:29, Richard Miller wrote:

> Here is from our experience. I can't explain why this is happening,  
> but repeated tests show that it does.
>
> 1) Using the blocking form (put url xx into url yy), we experienced  
> that a foreground file transfer that might take 30 seconds would be  
> effected by a pendingmessage file transfer scheduled to occur  
> sometime during the time frame of that foreground transfer


I see a potential problem here, but it depends what you're doing in  
the file transfer pendingMessage handler. When using blocking calls  
(get url, put ... into url) only one transfer can be processed at a  
time by libUrl. If you attempt to start another transfer before the  
previous one completes, you will get an error in the result.  
Depending on how your file transfer handler handles errors (Can it  
dstinguish between an error in a currently uploading transfer and one  
that has been called before the previous one completes?) it could get  
messy.

I don't think using the pendingMessages queue to schedule blocking  
transfers is the best approach. Typically, you would wait until one  
transfer completes, and then start the next one.

If you know the files to be transferred when you start the procedure,  
I would do something like this (error checking points only indicated):

on fileTransfer pFileList

  repeat for each line tFile in pFileList
     put <whatever> into tUrl ## your url setting routine here
     put url ("binfile:" & pFile) into tData
     ## check the result here in case of local file error
     repeat 5 times ## or however many times you want to try
        put false into tFailed
        put tData into url tUrl
        if the result is empty then
          exit repeat
        else
          put true into tFailed
        end if
      end repeat
      if tFailed then
         ## perhaps record the file name
         ## and show a list of failed uploads later
      end if
  end repeat

end fileTransfer

If you don't know the files in advance, then I'd add them to a queue  
(perhaps a custom property or global or script local variable. Then  
have the transfer routine check the queue when it finshes a transfer.

local sFileQ

on startTransferRoutine ## called only once, perhas at startup
      send tranferFile to me in 0 milliseconds
end startTransferRoutine

on qFile pFile ## adds file to queue
     if pFile <> empty then
	put line 1 of pFile & cr after sFileQ
     end if
end qFile

on transferFile
   if the number of lines of sFileQ > 0 then
     repeat until tFile <> empty
       put line 1 of sFileQ into tFile
       delete line 1 of tFile
     end repeat
     put <whatever> into tUrl ## your url setting routine here
     put url ("binfile:" & pFile) into tData
     ## check the result here in case of local file error
     repeat 5 times ## or however many times you want to try
        put false into tFailed
        put tData into url tUrl
        if the result is empty then
          exit repeat
        else
          put true into tFailed
        end if
      end repeat
      if tFailed then
         ## perhaps record the file name
         ## and show a list of failed uploads later
      end if
   end if
   send transferFile to me in 1000 milliseconds
end transferFile


> The server (under its default settings) rejects subsequent attempts  
> unless we unload the url,

For non-blocking calls, you must unload the url, even after an error.


> send a QUIT command, and wait some period of time before starting  
> the next attempt.

That doesn't sound too good.

Cheers
Dave


From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar  6 08:30:45 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 13:30:45 +0000
Subject: New Platform for RunRev?
In-Reply-To: <8EFFFDCE-D936-4401-824F-99EE8EA89879@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <45EC446B.2020103@fourthworld.com>
	<5892873F-5CFF-46A7-ADCF-1A5961C05A7F@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<3A7BFE2D-C99F-4035-A71C-6F103D113810@together.net>
	<8EFFFDCE-D936-4401-824F-99EE8EA89879@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <65298208-6E5E-4647-8EDA-70E4F349B6AF@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I think that RunRev ought to be ported to this wonderful new platform!

http://www-scf.usc.edu/~cfenton/laptop.htm

Talk about State of the Art!

All the Best
Dave



From wow at together.net  Tue Mar  6 08:55:11 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 06:55:11 -0700
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <8EFFFDCE-D936-4401-824F-99EE8EA89879@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <45EC446B.2020103@fourthworld.com>
	<5892873F-5CFF-46A7-ADCF-1A5961C05A7F@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<3A7BFE2D-C99F-4035-A71C-6F103D113810@together.net>
	<8EFFFDCE-D936-4401-824F-99EE8EA89879@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F79B0588-7D6E-48B4-B1C8-4968A82D60FF@together.net>

One of the problems we've encountered is that in the pending  
messages, we need to regularly check a directory on the server. That  
procedure is, I believe, always a blocking call. I haven't figured  
out a way to do it as a non-blocking call. So that short process  
itself interferes with current blocking FTP transfers (unless I  
cancel that pending message and re-schedule it for immediately after  
the current transfer).

Another issue we've encountered is that transferring very small text  
files (a line or two of text) via the wireless connection seems less  
stable and more difficult to verify when using the non-blocking ftp  
calls rather than a simple "put url xx into url yy" form. I've also  
found it difficult to reliably compare file sizes of the original  
file to the received file for these very small files.

Tied into this is that getting a directory from the server is  
obviously just as prone to failure as getting any file from the  
server since it's all a wireless call either way and the signal could  
drop at any time. What's the most reliable way to verify that the  
directory call went through correctly? Seems the only way is to check  
"the result", since the contents of a given directory could be empty  
to begin with (meaning we can't compare the value that comes back to  
see if it is empty, since it might have been empty to start with).  
It's unclear of the issues we are encountering in repeatedly trying  
to get a directory if prior attempts fail. Can/should a directory ftp  
call be unloaded (i.e. via unload URL) before trying a second time?

Thanks for the feedback below Dave.

Richard



On Mar 6, 2007, at 6:03 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:

>
> On 6 Mar 2007, at 11:29, Richard Miller wrote:
>
>> Here is from our experience. I can't explain why this is  
>> happening, but repeated tests show that it does.
>>
>> 1) Using the blocking form (put url xx into url yy), we  
>> experienced that a foreground file transfer that might take 30  
>> seconds would be effected by a pendingmessage file transfer  
>> scheduled to occur sometime during the time frame of that  
>> foreground transfer
>
>
> I see a potential problem here, but it depends what you're doing in  
> the file transfer pendingMessage handler. When using blocking calls  
> (get url, put ... into url) only one transfer can be processed at a  
> time by libUrl. If you attempt to start another transfer before the  
> previous one completes, you will get an error in the result.  
> Depending on how your file transfer handler handles errors (Can it  
> dstinguish between an error in a currently uploading transfer and  
> one that has been called before the previous one completes?) it  
> could get messy.
>
> I don't think using the pendingMessages queue to schedule blocking  
> transfers is the best approach. Typically, you would wait until one  
> transfer completes, and then start the next one.
>
> If you know the files to be transferred when you start the  
> procedure, I would do something like this (error checking points  
> only indicated):
>
> on fileTransfer pFileList
>
>  repeat for each line tFile in pFileList
>     put <whatever> into tUrl ## your url setting routine here
>     put url ("binfile:" & pFile) into tData
>     ## check the result here in case of local file error
>     repeat 5 times ## or however many times you want to try
>        put false into tFailed
>        put tData into url tUrl
>        if the result is empty then
>          exit repeat
>        else
>          put true into tFailed
>        end if
>      end repeat
>      if tFailed then
>         ## perhaps record the file name
>         ## and show a list of failed uploads later
>      end if
>  end repeat
>
> end fileTransfer
>
> If you don't know the files in advance, then I'd add them to a  
> queue (perhaps a custom property or global or script local  
> variable. Then have the transfer routine check the queue when it  
> finshes a transfer.
>
> local sFileQ
>
> on startTransferRoutine ## called only once, perhas at startup
>      send tranferFile to me in 0 milliseconds
> end startTransferRoutine
>
> on qFile pFile ## adds file to queue
>     if pFile <> empty then
> 	put line 1 of pFile & cr after sFileQ
>     end if
> end qFile
>
> on transferFile
>   if the number of lines of sFileQ > 0 then
>     repeat until tFile <> empty
>       put line 1 of sFileQ into tFile
>       delete line 1 of tFile
>     end repeat
>     put <whatever> into tUrl ## your url setting routine here
>     put url ("binfile:" & pFile) into tData
>     ## check the result here in case of local file error
>     repeat 5 times ## or however many times you want to try
>        put false into tFailed
>        put tData into url tUrl
>        if the result is empty then
>          exit repeat
>        else
>          put true into tFailed
>        end if
>      end repeat
>      if tFailed then
>         ## perhaps record the file name
>         ## and show a list of failed uploads later
>      end if
>   end if
>   send transferFile to me in 1000 milliseconds
> end transferFile
>
>
>> The server (under its default settings) rejects subsequent  
>> attempts unless we unload the url,
>
> For non-blocking calls, you must unload the url, even after an error.
>
>
>> send a QUIT command, and wait some period of time before starting  
>> the next attempt.
>
> That doesn't sound too good.
>
> Cheers
> Dave
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From soapdog at mac.com  Tue Mar  6 09:01:12 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:01:12 -0300
Subject: New Platform for RunRev?
In-Reply-To: <65298208-6E5E-4647-8EDA-70E4F349B6AF@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EC446B.2020103@fourthworld.com>
	<5892873F-5CFF-46A7-ADCF-1A5961C05A7F@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<3A7BFE2D-C99F-4035-A71C-6F103D113810@together.net>
	<8EFFFDCE-D936-4401-824F-99EE8EA89879@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<65298208-6E5E-4647-8EDA-70E4F349B6AF@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <25DBE4D8-3BAF-45D6-9546-6892D89B36BA@mac.com>

Dave,

he cheated, he is using PIC CPU instead of a generic one, that thing  
knows basic from the start... :-)

Andre

On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Dave wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I think that RunRev ought to be ported to this wonderful new platform!
>
> http://www-scf.usc.edu/~cfenton/laptop.htm
>
> Talk about State of the Art!
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar  6 09:18:38 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 14:18:38 +0000
Subject: New Platform for RunRev?
In-Reply-To: <25DBE4D8-3BAF-45D6-9546-6892D89B36BA@mac.com>
References: <45EC446B.2020103@fourthworld.com>
	<5892873F-5CFF-46A7-ADCF-1A5961C05A7F@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<3A7BFE2D-C99F-4035-A71C-6F103D113810@together.net>
	<8EFFFDCE-D936-4401-824F-99EE8EA89879@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<65298208-6E5E-4647-8EDA-70E4F349B6AF@looktowindward.com>
	<25DBE4D8-3BAF-45D6-9546-6892D89B36BA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <AC3D539B-7C22-4BCD-AAD1-5DC2B81FD319@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Found this on slashdot!

Sender 1:

Building a laptop from scratch :

Step 1: You're going to need some Silicon. A lot of people would say  
"Just melt some rock" at this point. But that pre-supposes the  
existence of ready made rock, which would be cheating. So first we're  
going to induce a supernova in a suitable star.

...

Step 51,985: You need some plastic. Plastic is made from oil. Scour  
one of the planets you created in Steps 9 - 23,492 for aquatic micro- 
organisms. Once you've found a sufficient quantity of the little  
bastards, you're going to need to crush them hard. No, really hard.  
Now leave to stand for around 250 million years.

Etc....

Sender 2:

So you're just using an off-the-shelf star then? ;)

ROFL!!!

All the Best
Dave


On 6 Mar 2007, at 14:01, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Dave,
>
> he cheated, he is using PIC CPU instead of a generic one, that  
> thing knows basic from the start... :-)
>
> Andre
>
> On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Dave wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I think that RunRev ought to be ported to this wonderful new  
>> platform!
>>
>> http://www-scf.usc.edu/~cfenton/laptop.htm
>>
>> Talk about State of the Art!
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
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From alex at harryscollar.com  Tue Mar  6 09:40:47 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 00:40:47 +1000
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <F79B0588-7D6E-48B4-B1C8-4968A82D60FF@together.net>
References: <45EC446B.2020103@fourthworld.com>	<5892873F-5CFF-46A7-ADCF-1A5961C05A7F@lacscentre.co.uk>	<3A7BFE2D-C99F-4035-A71C-6F103D113810@together.net>	<8EFFFDCE-D936-4401-824F-99EE8EA89879@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<F79B0588-7D6E-48B4-B1C8-4968A82D60FF@together.net>
Message-ID: <45ED7D6F.7080703@harryscollar.com>

Hi Richard

You could try retrieving the directory through a cgi process that also 
returns a meta info related to the event.

regards
alex

Richard Miller wrote:
> Tied into this is that getting a directory from the server is obviously 
> just as prone to failure as getting any file from the server since it's 
> all a wireless call either way and the signal could drop at any time. 
> What's the most reliable way to verify that the directory call went 
> through correctly? Seems the only way is to check "the result", since 
> the contents of a given directory could be empty to begin with (meaning 
> we can't compare the value that comes back to see if it is empty, since 
> it might have been empty to start with). It's unclear of the issues we 
> are encountering in repeatedly trying to get a directory if prior 
> attempts fail. Can/should a directory ftp call be unloaded (i.e. via 
> unload URL) before trying a second time?


From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar  6 10:13:06 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:13:06 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>
	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>
	<E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

One thing to note here is that:

rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
FolderX/"

Does not work!

In order to make this work you have to use:

rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
FolderX/FileX.xxx"

All the Best
Dave

On 5 Mar 2007, at 15:13, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sorry, my mailer is playing up, I lost quite a few emails over the  
>> weekend.
>>
>> Thanks a lot for that. Just didn't think of looking at the rename  
>> command. The documentation really is all over the place. If you  
>> look up revMoveFolder, revCopyFile or revCopyFolder is doesn't say  
>> to "also look at" rename, but if you look up "rename" is does say  
>> to "also look at" revCopyFile etc.
>
> in the older days we did not even have "revMoveFolder",  
> "revCopyFile" nor "revWhatEver"! ;-)
>
>> Thanks again
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Mar  6 10:18:45 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:18:45 +0000
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <F79B0588-7D6E-48B4-B1C8-4968A82D60FF@together.net>
References: <45EC446B.2020103@fourthworld.com>
	<5892873F-5CFF-46A7-ADCF-1A5961C05A7F@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<3A7BFE2D-C99F-4035-A71C-6F103D113810@together.net>
	<8EFFFDCE-D936-4401-824F-99EE8EA89879@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<F79B0588-7D6E-48B4-B1C8-4968A82D60FF@together.net>
Message-ID: <92F59807-3E71-4977-9D3F-6EF8F3A932F5@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 6 Mar 2007, at 13:55, Richard Miller wrote:
>  Can/should a directory ftp call be unloaded (i.e. via unload URL)  
> before trying a second time?


Only if it's obtained with a non-blocking call. (e.g. load url)  
There's no need to use unload with any blocking call (get url, put ..  
into url).

Cheers
Dave


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Mar  6 10:23:48 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:23:48 -0600
Subject: This should be simple!!!
Message-ID: <45ED8784.6080105@crcom.net>

In my now 3 year long quest to write just ONE useable Rev program, I was 
close but ran into something that I just can't figure out.  I have a 
checkbutton on a configuration stack (separate from the main stack) and 
a global variable that I set the hilite of the button to (mostly so I 
don't need long convoluted descriptions to get to the state from the 
main stack).

When it comes time to check the button state, I "put" the global 
variable and it says it's true.  The very next line is:

if gSaveInputPath then
    -- save the path to the file just used for next time
end if

This FAILS every time (I added an else clause to display "not saving 
path" just to make sure I was actually getting to the code).  I also tried

if gSaveInputPath is true then....   and that fails too.  If I check my 
global variables, it is in fact showing "true" so I can't figure out 
what's (not) going on.

Len

PS: Thanks to Jim Ault for you response on the field question.  You were 
right that I'm not using groups on various cards/stacks to display the 
same information in different places.  I'll give your suggestions a shot 
as soon as I get this (hopefully simpler) problem resolved.




From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Mar  6 10:26:42 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:26:42 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>
	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>
	<E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>
	<DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <D2C9CE21-DF26-49CE-B03E-40344D299473@azurevision.co.uk>

Which makes sense, otherwise you'd be renaming the file as a  
folder... ;-)

Ian

On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:13, Dave wrote:

> Hi,
>
> One thing to note here is that:
>
> rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
> FolderX/"
>
> Does not work!
>
> In order to make this work you have to use:
>
> rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
> FolderX/FileX.xxx"
>
> All the Best
> Dave



From soapdog at mac.com  Tue Mar  6 10:28:48 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:28:48 -0300
Subject: This should be simple!!!
In-Reply-To: <45ED8784.6080105@crcom.net>
References: <45ED8784.6080105@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <3C2F5727-823B-4362-8C98-7A7E435B3E81@mac.com>

Len,

globals must be declared to be used.
You need to declare that global in both the script that sets the  
hilite and also the script that has that if clause. In situations  
like this, the debugger is your friend and it's good to use it to  
explore variable values.

just go to the top line in the object script that contains those two  
pieces of code and add

global gSaveInputPath

if this is not the case, then you're probably failing to set the  
global in the first place, assure yourself with an answer call or the  
debugger that the global is actually a global and that its value is  
correct.

Andre


On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:23 PM, Len Morgan wrote:

> In my now 3 year long quest to write just ONE useable Rev program,  
> I was close but ran into something that I just can't figure out.  I  
> have a checkbutton on a configuration stack (separate from the main  
> stack) and a global variable that I set the hilite of the button to  
> (mostly so I don't need long convoluted descriptions to get to the  
> state from the main stack).
>
> When it comes time to check the button state, I "put" the global  
> variable and it says it's true.  The very next line is:
>
> if gSaveInputPath then
>    -- save the path to the file just used for next time
> end if
>
> This FAILS every time (I added an else clause to display "not  
> saving path" just to make sure I was actually getting to the  
> code).  I also tried
>
> if gSaveInputPath is true then....   and that fails too.  If I  
> check my global variables, it is in fact showing "true" so I can't  
> figure out what's (not) going on.
>
> Len
>
> PS: Thanks to Jim Ault for you response on the field question.  You  
> were right that I'm not using groups on various cards/stacks to  
> display the same information in different places.  I'll give your  
> suggestions a shot as soon as I get this (hopefully simpler)  
> problem resolved.
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue Mar  6 10:33:16 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:33:16 -0400
Subject: Database query fields
In-Reply-To: <C2120E00.2F16D%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <C21301FC.2F252%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Still trying to figure out how to set the properties of fields with a "for
each" script.

I just found out that Galaxy has a property editor which I've never tried
because my version of Galaxy is "Lite". I emailed them about an upgrade as
maybe their property editor will solve my problem.

I found in the docs how to copy the properties of one field to many others
so that is close to what I am trying to do except that the name of the
column in each field will be the same as the name of the field.

Bill


On 3/5/07 6:12 PM, "Bill" <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> I know how to manually set database properties (
> cRevGeneral["databaseQueryObject"] ) using the property inspector
> But I would like to go through about thirty fields with a script and set the
> name of the 
> Linkcolumn to the same as the fld name
> Set the queryobject to "bgnd "Connect"
> And set the update after editing to true.
> 
>> From the name of the property it looks like I am changing values in an
> array.
> 
> Can someone send me some simple script suggestions for this?
> 
> Bill
> 
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar  6 10:39:29 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:39:29 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <D2C9CE21-DF26-49CE-B03E-40344D299473@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
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	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
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	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>
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	<DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>
	<D2C9CE21-DF26-49CE-B03E-40344D299473@azurevision.co.uk>
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True, but I'm NOT renaming the file at all!!! It's name stays the  
same! So it kinda don't make sense in the first place!!

All the Best
Dave

On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:26, Ian Wood wrote:

> Which makes sense, otherwise you'd be renaming the file as a  
> folder... ;-)
>
> Ian
>
> On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:13, Dave wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> One thing to note here is that:
>>
>> rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
>> FolderX/"
>>
>> Does not work!
>>
>> In order to make this work you have to use:
>>
>> rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
>> FolderX/FileX.xxx"
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>
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From soapdog at mac.com  Tue Mar  6 10:47:36 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:47:36 -0300
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <51024FB3-37BE-45AB-96B3-F818D0023F3E@looktowindward.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>
	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>
	<E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>
	<DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>
	<D2C9CE21-DF26-49CE-B03E-40344D299473@azurevision.co.uk>
	<51024FB3-37BE-45AB-96B3-F818D0023F3E@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <0119AA03-F3AD-4945-B37E-C56C4DA624BD@mac.com>

Dave,

in unix, moving a file is the same thing as renaming... ;-)

Cheers
andre

On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Dave wrote:

> True, but I'm NOT renaming the file at all!!! It's name stays the  
> same! So it kinda don't make sense in the first place!!
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:26, Ian Wood wrote:
>
>> Which makes sense, otherwise you'd be renaming the file as a  
>> folder... ;-)
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:13, Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> One thing to note here is that:
>>>
>>> rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
>>> FolderX/"
>>>
>>> Does not work!
>>>
>>> In order to make this work you have to use:
>>>
>>> rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
>>> FolderX/FileX.xxx"
>>>
>>> All the Best
>>> Dave
>>
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From wow at together.net  Tue Mar  6 10:51:30 2007
From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 08:51:30 -0700
Subject: Pendingmessages
In-Reply-To: <45ED7D6F.7080703@harryscollar.com>
References: <45EC446B.2020103@fourthworld.com>	<5892873F-5CFF-46A7-ADCF-1A5961C05A7F@lacscentre.co.uk>	<3A7BFE2D-C99F-4035-A71C-6F103D113810@together.net>	<8EFFFDCE-D936-4401-824F-99EE8EA89879@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<F79B0588-7D6E-48B4-B1C8-4968A82D60FF@together.net>
	<45ED7D6F.7080703@harryscollar.com>
Message-ID: <0B237E2A-AAC0-4727-ABEE-A790464402EE@together.net>

Great idea. Thanks Alex.

Richard


On Mar 6, 2007, at 7:40 AM, Alex Shaw wrote:

> Hi Richard
>
> You could try retrieving the directory through a cgi process that  
> also returns a meta info related to the event.
>
> regards
> alex
>
> Richard Miller wrote:
>> Tied into this is that getting a directory from the server is  
>> obviously just as prone to failure as getting any file from the  
>> server since it's all a wireless call either way and the signal  
>> could drop at any time. What's the most reliable way to verify  
>> that the directory call went through correctly? Seems the only way  
>> is to check "the result", since the contents of a given directory  
>> could be empty to begin with (meaning we can't compare the value  
>> that comes back to see if it is empty, since it might have been  
>> empty to start with). It's unclear of the issues we are  
>> encountering in repeatedly trying to get a directory if prior  
>> attempts fail. Can/should a directory ftp call be unloaded (i.e.  
>> via unload URL) before trying a second time?
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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Tue Mar  6 10:54:18 2007
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:54:18 -0600
Subject: Database query fields
In-Reply-To: <C21301FC.2F252%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <C21301FC.2F252%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <3363C21B-C8C0-4073-AF58-094A2A590D58@daniels-mara.com>

Bill,

I'm not sure you need Galaxy to do the scripting you mention. But,  
could it hurt? I don't think so.

repeat for each line thePropDatum in thePropData
     put item 1 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropName
     put item 2 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropValue
     do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote &&  
"to theCustomPropValue"
end repeat

See if that helps.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Makers of Galaxy 1.5
http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm



On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Bill wrote:

> Still trying to figure out how to set the properties of fields with  
> a "for
> each" script.
>
> I just found out that Galaxy has a property editor which I've never  
> tried
> because my version of Galaxy is "Lite". I emailed them about an  
> upgrade as
> maybe their property editor will solve my problem.
>
> I found in the docs how to copy the properties of one field to many  
> others
> so that is close to what I am trying to do except that the name of the
> column in each field will be the same as the name of the field.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On 3/5/07 6:12 PM, "Bill" <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> I know how to manually set database properties (
>> cRevGeneral["databaseQueryObject"] ) using the property inspector
>> But I would like to go through about thirty fields with a script  
>> and set the
>> name of the
>> Linkcolumn to the same as the fld name
>> Set the queryobject to "bgnd "Connect"
>> And set the update after editing to true.
>>
>>> From the name of the property it looks like I am changing values  
>>> in an
>> array.
>>
>> Can someone send me some simple script suggestions for this?
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar  6 11:07:30 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:07:30 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <0119AA03-F3AD-4945-B37E-C56C4DA624BD@mac.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
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	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
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	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
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	<D2C9CE21-DF26-49CE-B03E-40344D299473@azurevision.co.uk>
	<51024FB3-37BE-45AB-96B3-F818D0023F3E@looktowindward.com>
	<0119AA03-F3AD-4945-B37E-C56C4DA624BD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <01E497D3-386D-4A9D-8DC0-E9D23C8BFE4B@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

But:

a)  I'm not running Unix!

b)  In  the Unix the Command is "mv" (for move) and, AFAIR you can  
say: mv /FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/Filex.xxx /FolderA/FolderB/FolderX/  
which is what I was doing in the first place!

I just don't get it, you take the Unix "move" command, call it  
"rename" and then stop it working like "move". ROFL! Makes no sense  
at all to me! It's a crazy world!

All the Best
Dave

On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:47, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Dave,
>
> in unix, moving a file is the same thing as renaming... ;-)
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
> On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Dave wrote:
>
>> True, but I'm NOT renaming the file at all!!! It's name stays the  
>> same! So it kinda don't make sense in the first place!!
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:26, Ian Wood wrote:
>>
>>> Which makes sense, otherwise you'd be renaming the file as a  
>>> folder... ;-)
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>> On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:13, Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> One thing to note here is that:
>>>>
>>>> rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
>>>> FolderX/"
>>>>
>>>> Does not work!
>>>>
>>>> In order to make this work you have to use:
>>>>
>>>> rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
>>>> FolderX/FileX.xxx"
>>>>
>>>> All the Best
>>>> Dave
>>>
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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Tue Mar  6 11:12:58 2007
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:12:58 -0600
Subject: Database query fields
In-Reply-To: <3363C21B-C8C0-4073-AF58-094A2A590D58@daniels-mara.com>
References: <C21301FC.2F252%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<3363C21B-C8C0-4073-AF58-094A2A590D58@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <F05B9472-8947-4314-92FD-59F1741B183B@daniels-mara.com>

Correction:

do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote & "] to  
theCustomPropValue"

-JD


On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:

> Bill,
>
> I'm not sure you need Galaxy to do the scripting you mention. But,  
> could it hurt? I don't think so.
>
> repeat for each line thePropDatum in thePropData
>     put item 1 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropName
>     put item 2 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropValue
>     do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote  
> && "to theCustomPropValue"
> end repeat
>
> See if that helps.
>
> Best,
>
> Jerry Daniels
>
> Makers of Galaxy 1.5
> http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm
>
>
>
> On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Bill wrote:
>
>> Still trying to figure out how to set the properties of fields  
>> with a "for
>> each" script.
>>
>> I just found out that Galaxy has a property editor which I've  
>> never tried
>> because my version of Galaxy is "Lite". I emailed them about an  
>> upgrade as
>> maybe their property editor will solve my problem.
>>
>> I found in the docs how to copy the properties of one field to  
>> many others
>> so that is close to what I am trying to do except that the name of  
>> the
>> column in each field will be the same as the name of the field.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
>> On 3/5/07 6:12 PM, "Bill" <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I know how to manually set database properties (
>>> cRevGeneral["databaseQueryObject"] ) using the property inspector
>>> But I would like to go through about thirty fields with a script  
>>> and set the
>>> name of the
>>> Linkcolumn to the same as the fld name
>>> Set the queryobject to "bgnd "Connect"
>>> And set the update after editing to true.
>>>
>>>> From the name of the property it looks like I am changing values  
>>>> in an
>>> array.
>>>
>>> Can someone send me some simple script suggestions for this?
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
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>>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
>> -------\                   /--------- http:// 
>> www.bluewatermaritime.com
>>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>>        ^^^^      ^^^
>>
>> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
>> fax: (787) 809-8426
>>
>> Blue Water Maritime
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>>
>>
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue Mar  6 11:23:45 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:23:45 -0400
Subject: Database query fields
In-Reply-To: <3363C21B-C8C0-4073-AF58-094A2A590D58@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <C2130DD1.2F25C%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Thanks

Could the set fld property line look more like this?

do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote &&
"to theCustomPropValue"] in fld theFieldName


On 3/6/07 11:54 AM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:

> Bill,
> 
> I'm not sure you need Galaxy to do the scripting you mention. But,
> could it hurt? I don't think so.
> 
> repeat for each line thePropDatum in thePropData
>      put item 1 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropName
>      put item 2 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropValue
>      do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote &&
> "to theCustomPropValue"
> end repeat
> 
> See if that helps.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jerry Daniels
> 
> Makers of Galaxy 1.5
> http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Bill wrote:
> 
>> Still trying to figure out how to set the properties of fields with
>> a "for
>> each" script.
>> 
>> I just found out that Galaxy has a property editor which I've never
>> tried
>> because my version of Galaxy is "Lite". I emailed them about an
>> upgrade as
>> maybe their property editor will solve my problem.
>> 
>> I found in the docs how to copy the properties of one field to many
>> others
>> so that is close to what I am trying to do except that the name of the
>> column in each field will be the same as the name of the field.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/5/07 6:12 PM, "Bill" <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> I know how to manually set database properties (
>>> cRevGeneral["databaseQueryObject"] ) using the property inspector
>>> But I would like to go through about thirty fields with a script
>>> and set the
>>> name of the
>>> Linkcolumn to the same as the fld name
>>> Set the queryobject to "bgnd "Connect"
>>> And set the update after editing to true.
>>> 
>>>> From the name of the property it looks like I am changing values
>>>> in an
>>> array.
>>> 
>>> Can someone send me some simple script suggestions for this?
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
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>> 
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>>          )____)____)_____)\\
>>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
>> -------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
>>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>>        ^^^^      ^^^
>> 
>> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
>> fax: (787) 809-8426
>> 
>> Blue Water Maritime
>> P.O. Box 2087
>> Rio Grande, PR 00745
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue Mar  6 11:25:14 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:25:14 -0400
Subject: Database query fields
In-Reply-To: <F05B9472-8947-4314-92FD-59F1741B183B@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <C2130E2A.2F261%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Thanks for the correction. I should check my email more often.
Because I am setting the custom property value of many fields would the line

be

do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote & "] to
> theCustomPropValue" for fld theFldName

????


On 3/6/07 12:12 PM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:

> Correction:
> 
> do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote & "] to
> theCustomPropValue"
> 
> -JD
> 
> 
> On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Jerry Daniels wrote:
> 
>> Bill,
>> 
>> I'm not sure you need Galaxy to do the scripting you mention. But,
>> could it hurt? I don't think so.
>> 
>> repeat for each line thePropDatum in thePropData
>>     put item 1 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropName
>>     put item 2 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropValue
>>     do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote
>> && "to theCustomPropValue"
>> end repeat
>> 
>> See if that helps.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Jerry Daniels
>> 
>> Makers of Galaxy 1.5
>> http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Bill wrote:
>> 
>>> Still trying to figure out how to set the properties of fields
>>> with a "for
>>> each" script.
>>> 
>>> I just found out that Galaxy has a property editor which I've
>>> never tried
>>> because my version of Galaxy is "Lite". I emailed them about an
>>> upgrade as
>>> maybe their property editor will solve my problem.
>>> 
>>> I found in the docs how to copy the properties of one field to
>>> many others
>>> so that is close to what I am trying to do except that the name of
>>> the
>>> column in each field will be the same as the name of the field.
>>> 
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/5/07 6:12 PM, "Bill" <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi
>>>> 
>>>> I know how to manually set database properties (
>>>> cRevGeneral["databaseQueryObject"] ) using the property inspector
>>>> But I would like to go through about thirty fields with a script
>>>> and set the
>>>> name of the
>>>> Linkcolumn to the same as the fld name
>>>> Set the queryobject to "bgnd "Connect"
>>>> And set the update after editing to true.
>>>> 
>>>>> From the name of the property it looks like I am changing values
>>>>> in an
>>>> array.
>>>> 
>>>> Can someone send me some simple script suggestions for this?
>>>> 
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>             |    |    |
>>>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>>>           )___))___))___)\
>>>          )____)____)_____)\\
>>>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
>>> -------\                   /--------- http://
>>> www.bluewatermaritime.com
>>>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>>>        ^^^^      ^^^
>>> 
>>> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
>>> fax: (787) 809-8426
>>> 
>>> Blue Water Maritime
>>> P.O. Box 2087
>>> Rio Grande, PR 00745
>>> 
>>> 
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           )_)  )_)  )_)
          )___))___))___)\
         )____)____)_____)\\
       _____|____|____|____\\\__
-------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
 ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
       ^^^^      ^^^

24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
fax: (787) 809-8426

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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Tue Mar  6 11:28:52 2007
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:28:52 -0600
Subject: Database query fields
In-Reply-To: <C2130DD1.2F25C%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <C2130DD1.2F25C%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <5B1EA1BF-1A73-4C66-95EF-83E842F865A0@daniels-mara.com>

of fld theFldName

On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Bill wrote:

> Thanks
>
> Could the set fld property line look more like this?
>
> do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote &&
> "to theCustomPropValue"] in fld theFieldName
>
>
> On 3/6/07 11:54 AM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>>
>> I'm not sure you need Galaxy to do the scripting you mention. But,
>> could it hurt? I don't think so.
>>
>> repeat for each line thePropDatum in thePropData
>>      put item 1 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropName
>>      put item 2 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropValue
>>      do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote &&
>> "to theCustomPropValue"
>> end repeat
>>
>> See if that helps.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>>
>> Makers of Galaxy 1.5
>> http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>> Still trying to figure out how to set the properties of fields with
>>> a "for
>>> each" script.
>>>
>>> I just found out that Galaxy has a property editor which I've never
>>> tried
>>> because my version of Galaxy is "Lite". I emailed them about an
>>> upgrade as
>>> maybe their property editor will solve my problem.
>>>
>>> I found in the docs how to copy the properties of one field to many
>>> others
>>> so that is close to what I am trying to do except that the name  
>>> of the
>>> column in each field will be the same as the name of the field.
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/5/07 6:12 PM, "Bill" <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> I know how to manually set database properties (
>>>> cRevGeneral["databaseQueryObject"] ) using the property inspector
>>>> But I would like to go through about thirty fields with a script
>>>> and set the
>>>> name of the
>>>> Linkcolumn to the same as the fld name
>>>> Set the queryobject to "bgnd "Connect"
>>>> And set the update after editing to true.
>>>>
>>>>> From the name of the property it looks like I am changing values
>>>>> in an
>>>> array.
>>>>
>>>> Can someone send me some simple script suggestions for this?
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription
>>>> preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>>             |    |    |
>>>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>>>           )___))___))___)\
>>>          )____)____)_____)\\
>>>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
>>> -------\                   /--------- http:// 
>>> www.bluewatermaritime.com
>>>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>>>        ^^^^      ^^^
>>>
>>> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
>>> fax: (787) 809-8426
>>>
>>> Blue Water Maritime
>>> P.O. Box 2087
>>> Rio Grande, PR 00745
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>             |    |    |
>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>           )___))___))___)\
>          )____)____)_____)\\
>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
> -------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>        ^^^^      ^^^
>
> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
> fax: (787) 809-8426
>
> Blue Water Maritime
> P.O. Box 2087
> Rio Grande, PR 00745
>
>
>
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From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 11:31:12 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:31:12 -0700
Subject: BinaryDecode
In-Reply-To: <EEC967CC-8F80-4FCB-B43F-2F25FA5313B2@maseurope.net>
References: <A75CC7F7-0B65-4AD2-B15F-8BC5B3453F44@gmail.com>
	<8F79FF06-6245-45DB-AEEF-B44A88DC5735@gmail.com>
	<EEC967CC-8F80-4FCB-B43F-2F25FA5313B2@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <0C311B16-42A2-4547-AE5F-4C834097EBA6@gmail.com>

Hello.

Thanks for the reply. I put the data in the email in base 64 since I  
don't trust email to carry binary values very well. I also solved the  
problem: The bytes were in reverse order. Once I had flipped each  
four byte chunk, binaryDecode worked perfectly.

Thanks,
Brent Anderson


On Mar 6, 2007, at 1:24 AM, Mark Smith wrote:

> Brent, you need to use the base64Decode function:
>
> put base64Decode(tData) into tBinaryData
>
> then the binaryDecode functions should do what you need.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> On 6 Mar 2007, at 01:35, Brent Anderson wrote:
>
>> Correction: The base 64 version of the data is this:
>>
>> AAAAAj9b6Lo+qptlQJfA8wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHA==
>>
>>
>> On Mar 5, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Brent Anderson wrote:
>>
>>> Hello.
>>>
>>> I'm working with a helper application to process some video data.  
>>> It's passing in int32 and float32 parameters as binary data and I  
>>> need to convert them into actual integers and floating point  
>>> values. I've been trying to use BinaryDecode to accomplish this,  
>>> however it just isn't working. If anyone can spare a minute, here  
>>> is the base64encoded version of my data.
>>>
>>> AAE+uaSzPyPAv0CVBg==
>>>
>>> According to their API, there are two int32's at the front and  
>>> eight floating point values on the end.
>>>
>>> Any help would be very much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Brent Anderson
>>> The Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center
>>
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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue Mar  6 11:32:24 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:32:24 -0400
Subject: Database query fields
In-Reply-To: <5B1EA1BF-1A73-4C66-95EF-83E842F865A0@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <C2130FD8.2F269%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

tried:

     do "set the cRevGeneral["Linkcolumn"] of fld theFldName to theFldName"

Still trying...


On 3/6/07 12:28 PM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:

> of fld theFldName
> 
> On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Bill wrote:
> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Could the set fld property line look more like this?
>> 
>> do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote &&
>> "to theCustomPropValue"] in fld theFieldName
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/6/07 11:54 AM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Bill,
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure you need Galaxy to do the scripting you mention. But,
>>> could it hurt? I don't think so.
>>> 
>>> repeat for each line thePropDatum in thePropData
>>>      put item 1 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropName
>>>      put item 2 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropValue
>>>      do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote &&
>>> "to theCustomPropValue"
>>> end repeat
>>> 
>>> See if that helps.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Jerry Daniels
>>> 
>>> Makers of Galaxy 1.5
>>> http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Still trying to figure out how to set the properties of fields with
>>>> a "for
>>>> each" script.
>>>> 
>>>> I just found out that Galaxy has a property editor which I've never
>>>> tried
>>>> because my version of Galaxy is "Lite". I emailed them about an
>>>> upgrade as
>>>> maybe their property editor will solve my problem.
>>>> 
>>>> I found in the docs how to copy the properties of one field to many
>>>> others
>>>> so that is close to what I am trying to do except that the name
>>>> of the
>>>> column in each field will be the same as the name of the field.
>>>> 
>>>> Bill
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/5/07 6:12 PM, "Bill" <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> 
>>>>> I know how to manually set database properties (
>>>>> cRevGeneral["databaseQueryObject"] ) using the property inspector
>>>>> But I would like to go through about thirty fields with a script
>>>>> and set the
>>>>> name of the
>>>>> Linkcolumn to the same as the fld name
>>>>> Set the queryobject to "bgnd "Connect"
>>>>> And set the update after editing to true.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From the name of the property it looks like I am changing values
>>>>>> in an
>>>>> array.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can someone send me some simple script suggestions for this?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bill
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription
>>>>> preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>> 
>>>>             |    |    |
>>>>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>>>>           )___))___))___)\
>>>>          )____)____)_____)\\
>>>>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
>>>> -------\                   /--------- http://
>>>> www.bluewatermaritime.com
>>>>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>>>>        ^^^^      ^^^
>>>> 
>>>> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
>>>> fax: (787) 809-8426
>>>> 
>>>> Blue Water Maritime
>>>> P.O. Box 2087
>>>> Rio Grande, PR 00745
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
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>>             |    |    |
>>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>>           )___))___))___)\
>>          )____)____)_____)\\
>>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
>> -------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
>>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>>        ^^^^      ^^^
>> 
>> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
>> fax: (787) 809-8426
>> 
>> Blue Water Maritime
>> P.O. Box 2087
>> Rio Grande, PR 00745
>> 
>> 
>> 
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           )_)  )_)  )_)
          )___))___))___)\
         )____)____)_____)\\
       _____|____|____|____\\\__
-------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
 ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
       ^^^^      ^^^

24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
fax: (787) 809-8426

Blue Water Maritime
P.O. Box 2087
Rio Grande, PR 00745





From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar  6 11:34:23 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 16:34:23 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <0119AA03-F3AD-4945-B37E-C56C4DA624BD@mac.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
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	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>
	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>
	<E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>
	<DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>
	<D2C9CE21-DF26-49CE-B03E-40344D299473@azurevision.co.uk>
	<51024FB3-37BE-45AB-96B3-F818D0023F3E@looktowindward.com>
	<0119AA03-F3AD-4945-B37E-C56C4DA624BD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A4001369-8E1B-4CB1-9161-1E6F98EA29B0@looktowindward.com>

Oh, and BEWARE!!!

If you have two files:

/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx
/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileY.xxx


rename /FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx to /FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/ 
FileY.xxx

You will end up with one file called FileY.xxx! IOW, if the file  
exists in the destination path it will quite happily OVERWRITE it!

In the documentation it says:

Caution!  This command can be used to rename or move files and  
folders your stack did not create. Of course, a stack should not  
rename or move files and folders it didn't create without obtaining  
explicit confirmation from the user.

However it doesn't say *anything* about overwriting files!

It just gets worse!

All the Best
Dave

************************************************************************
Hi,

But:

a)  I'm not running Unix!

b)  In  the Unix the Command is "mv" (for move) and, AFAIR you can  
say: mv /FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/Filex.xxx /FolderA/FolderB/FolderX/  
which is what I was doing in the first place!

I just don't get it, you take the Unix "move" command, call it  
"rename" and then stop it working like "move". ROFL! Makes no sense  
at all to me! It's a crazy world!

All the Best
Dave

On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:47, Andre Garzia wrote:

> Dave,
>
> in unix, moving a file is the same thing as renaming... ;-)
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
> On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Dave wrote:
>
>> True, but I'm NOT renaming the file at all!!! It's name stays the  
>> same! So it kinda don't make sense in the first place!!
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>> On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:26, Ian Wood wrote:
>>
>>> Which makes sense, otherwise you'd be renaming the file as a  
>>> folder... ;-)
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
>>> On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:13, Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> One thing to note here is that:
>>>>
>>>> rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
>>>> FolderX/"
>>>>
>>>> Does not work!
>>>>
>>>> In order to make this work you have to use:
>>>>
>>>> rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
>>>> FolderX/FileX.xxx"
>>>>
>>>> All the Best
>>>> Dave
>>>
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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Tue Mar  6 11:36:45 2007
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:36:45 -0600
Subject: Database query fields
In-Reply-To: <C2130FD8.2F269%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <C2130FD8.2F269%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <7C3B8782-D52F-4E6D-B7D6-2096F5B1C45B@daniels-mara.com>

You don't need the "do" stuff if your property name is a literal.

On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Bill wrote:

> tried:
>
>      do "set the cRevGeneral["Linkcolumn"] of fld theFldName to  
> theFldName"
>
> Still trying...
>
>
> On 3/6/07 12:28 PM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:
>
>> of fld theFldName
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Bill wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Could the set fld property line look more like this?
>>>
>>> do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote &&
>>> "to theCustomPropValue"] in fld theFieldName
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/6/07 11:54 AM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bill,
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure you need Galaxy to do the scripting you mention. But,
>>>> could it hurt? I don't think so.
>>>>
>>>> repeat for each line thePropDatum in thePropData
>>>>      put item 1 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropName
>>>>      put item 2 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropValue
>>>>      do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName &  
>>>> quote &&
>>>> "to theCustomPropValue"
>>>> end repeat
>>>>
>>>> See if that helps.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Jerry Daniels
>>>>
>>>> Makers of Galaxy 1.5
>>>> http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Still trying to figure out how to set the properties of fields  
>>>>> with
>>>>> a "for
>>>>> each" script.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just found out that Galaxy has a property editor which I've  
>>>>> never
>>>>> tried
>>>>> because my version of Galaxy is "Lite". I emailed them about an
>>>>> upgrade as
>>>>> maybe their property editor will solve my problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> I found in the docs how to copy the properties of one field to  
>>>>> many
>>>>> others
>>>>> so that is close to what I am trying to do except that the name
>>>>> of the
>>>>> column in each field will be the same as the name of the field.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/5/07 6:12 PM, "Bill" <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know how to manually set database properties (
>>>>>> cRevGeneral["databaseQueryObject"] ) using the property inspector
>>>>>> But I would like to go through about thirty fields with a script
>>>>>> and set the
>>>>>> name of the
>>>>>> Linkcolumn to the same as the fld name
>>>>>> Set the queryobject to "bgnd "Connect"
>>>>>> And set the update after editing to true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the name of the property it looks like I am changing values
>>>>>>> in an
>>>>>> array.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can someone send me some simple script suggestions for this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>>> subscription
>>>>>> preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>>
>>>>>             |    |    |
>>>>>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>>>>>           )___))___))___)\
>>>>>          )____)____)_____)\\
>>>>>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
>>>>> -------\                   /--------- http://
>>>>> www.bluewatermaritime.com
>>>>>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>>>>>        ^^^^      ^^^
>>>>>
>>>>> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
>>>>> fax: (787) 809-8426
>>>>>
>>>>> Blue Water Maritime
>>>>> P.O. Box 2087
>>>>> Rio Grande, PR 00745
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>             |    |    |
>>>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>>>           )___))___))___)\
>>>          )____)____)_____)\\
>>>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
>>> -------\                   /--------- http:// 
>>> www.bluewatermaritime.com
>>>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>>>        ^^^^      ^^^
>>>
>>> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
>>> fax: (787) 809-8426
>>>
>>> Blue Water Maritime
>>> P.O. Box 2087
>>> Rio Grande, PR 00745
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>> subscription
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>
>             |    |    |
>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>           )___))___))___)\
>          )____)____)_____)\\
>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
> -------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>        ^^^^      ^^^
>
> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
> fax: (787) 809-8426
>
> Blue Water Maritime
> P.O. Box 2087
> Rio Grande, PR 00745
>
>
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Mar  6 11:38:41 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:38:41 -0600
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <0119AA03-F3AD-4945-B37E-C56C4DA624BD@mac.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>
	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>
	<E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>
	<DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>
	<D2C9CE21-DF26-49CE-B03E-40344D299473@azurevision.co.uk>
	<51024FB3-37BE-45AB-96B3-F818D0023F3E@looktowindward.com>
	<0119AA03-F3AD-4945-B37E-C56C4DA624BD@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080dc21346cbfbd5@[192.168.1.101]>

Yes, in reality, The files don't really move around. It only works 
when both locations are on the same volume. Just the references 
change.  'rename' makes sense viewed this way.

from the docs:
The rename command can be used to change a file's or folder's 
location only if the old and new locations are both on the same 
volume.


>Dave,
>
>in unix, moving a file is the same thing as renaming... ;-)
>
>Cheers
>andre

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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue Mar  6 11:43:10 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:43:10 -0400
Subject: Database query fields
In-Reply-To: <7C3B8782-D52F-4E6D-B7D6-2096F5B1C45B@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <C213125E.2F273%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Thanks -- I got it:

        set the cREVDatabase["Linkcolumn"] of fld theFldName to theFldName


You know it is fun when this stuff works.


On 3/6/07 12:36 PM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:

> You don't need the "do" stuff if your property name is a literal.
> 
> On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:32 AM, Bill wrote:
> 
>> tried:
>> 
>>      do "set the cRevGeneral["Linkcolumn"] of fld theFldName to
>> theFldName"
>> 
>> Still trying...
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/6/07 12:28 PM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> of fld theFldName
>>> 
>>> On Mar 6, 2007, at 10:23 AM, Bill wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Could the set fld property line look more like this?
>>>> 
>>>> do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName & quote &&
>>>> "to theCustomPropValue"] in fld theFieldName
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 3/6/07 11:54 AM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Bill,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure you need Galaxy to do the scripting you mention. But,
>>>>> could it hurt? I don't think so.
>>>>> 
>>>>> repeat for each line thePropDatum in thePropData
>>>>>      put item 1 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropName
>>>>>      put item 2 of thePropDatum into theCustomPropValue
>>>>>      do "set the cRevGeneral[" & quote & theCustomPropName &
>>>>> quote &&
>>>>> "to theCustomPropValue"
>>>>> end repeat
>>>>> 
>>>>> See if that helps.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jerry Daniels
>>>>> 
>>>>> Makers of Galaxy 1.5
>>>>> http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 6, 2007, at 9:33 AM, Bill wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Still trying to figure out how to set the properties of fields
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> a "for
>>>>>> each" script.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I just found out that Galaxy has a property editor which I've
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> tried
>>>>>> because my version of Galaxy is "Lite". I emailed them about an
>>>>>> upgrade as
>>>>>> maybe their property editor will solve my problem.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I found in the docs how to copy the properties of one field to
>>>>>> many
>>>>>> others
>>>>>> so that is close to what I am trying to do except that the name
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> column in each field will be the same as the name of the field.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 3/5/07 6:12 PM, "Bill" <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I know how to manually set database properties (
>>>>>>> cRevGeneral["databaseQueryObject"] ) using the property inspector
>>>>>>> But I would like to go through about thirty fields with a script
>>>>>>> and set the
>>>>>>> name of the
>>>>>>> Linkcolumn to the same as the fld name
>>>>>>> Set the queryobject to "bgnd "Connect"
>>>>>>> And set the update after editing to true.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> From the name of the property it looks like I am changing values
>>>>>>>> in an
>>>>>>> array.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Can someone send me some simple script suggestions for this?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>>>> subscription
>>>>>>> preferences:
>>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>             |    |    |
>>>>>>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>>>>>>           )___))___))___)\
>>>>>>          )____)____)_____)\\
>>>>>>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
>>>>>> -------\                   /--------- http://
>>>>>> www.bluewatermaritime.com
>>>>>>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>>>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>>>>>>        ^^^^      ^^^
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
>>>>>> fax: (787) 809-8426
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Blue Water Maritime
>>>>>> P.O. Box 2087
>>>>>> Rio Grande, PR 00745
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>> subscription
>>>>> preferences:
>>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>> 
>>>>             |    |    |
>>>>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>>>>           )___))___))___)\
>>>>          )____)____)_____)\\
>>>>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
>>>> -------\                   /--------- http://
>>>> www.bluewatermaritime.com
>>>>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>>>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>>>>        ^^^^      ^^^
>>>> 
>>>> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
>>>> fax: (787) 809-8426
>>>> 
>>>> Blue Water Maritime
>>>> P.O. Box 2087
>>>> Rio Grande, PR 00745
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>> subscription
>>> preferences:
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
>>             |    |    |
>>            )_)  )_)  )_)
>>           )___))___))___)\
>>          )____)____)_____)\\
>>        _____|____|____|____\\\__
>> -------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
>>  ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>   ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
>>        ^^^^      ^^^
>> 
>> 24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
>> fax: (787) 809-8426
>> 
>> Blue Water Maritime
>> P.O. Box 2087
>> Rio Grande, PR 00745
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> subscription preferences:
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>> 
> 
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            |    |    |
           )_)  )_)  )_)
          )___))___))___)\
         )____)____)_____)\\
       _____|____|____|____\\\__
-------\                   /--------- http://www.bluewatermaritime.com
 ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^      ^^^^     ^^^    ^^
       ^^^^      ^^^

24 hour cell: (787) 378-6190
fax: (787) 809-8426

Blue Water Maritime
P.O. Box 2087
Rio Grande, PR 00745





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar  6 12:16:58 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:16:58 -0800
Subject: Moving a File
Message-ID: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
> In the documentation it says:
> 
> Caution!  This command can be used to rename or move files and  
> folders your stack did not create. Of course, a stack should not  
> rename or move files and folders it didn't create without obtaining  
> explicit confirmation from the user.
> 
> However it doesn't say *anything* about overwriting files!

I'll vote for that enhancement request for the docs.
What's the BZ# of the request you filed?

You can check the existence of a file with the "there is" operator:

   if there is a file tMyFile then

-- 
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  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Mar  6 12:31:11 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:31:11 -0600
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080fc213548332f4@[192.168.1.101]>

I'm sure glad that rev gives us the primitives so we can check for 
overwriting ourselves. Sometimes we want to.

>>However it doesn't say *anything* about overwriting files!
>
>

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From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar  6 12:51:15 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:51:15 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <p0624080fc213548332f4@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<p0624080fc213548332f4@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <DC0530D8-7DF9-4820-99A4-610FC2270BF6@looktowindward.com>

Me too! I really couldn't believe it when it actually deleted the  
file though. I test everything to do with files *throughly* on a  
separate system, cos you can't trust the documents and some of the  
commands do some *really* strange things and not what their names  
imply at all!

I just can't see how the original programmers thought processes  
worked on this one. Lets make a command called "rename" that can be  
used as a "move" command and allow it to delete the destination file.  
Why? What possible reason could there be for this? Especially since  
there are commands already that specifically delete files. Then to  
not let the person that was doing documentation know that it could  
overwrite files? What's that all about? It's just beyond me!

Take Care
All the Best
Dave

On 6 Mar 2007, at 17:31, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> I'm sure glad that rev gives us the primitives so we can check for  
> overwriting ourselves. Sometimes we want to.
>
>>> However it doesn't say *anything* about overwriting files!
>>
>>
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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>
>
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar  6 12:54:42 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:54:42 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I can't BZ it cos I'm working away in wilds of Kent and I can't log  
on for some reason.

Do you really think it's worth reporting it? I mean nothing else ever  
seems to get fixed, so really what's the point. I know about it now  
and have protected myself by making "Move" and "Rename" functions  
that do all the checking the base command should do.

Take Care and All the Best
Dave

On 6 Mar 2007, at 17:16, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> In the documentation it says:
>> Caution!  This command can be used to rename or move files and   
>> folders your stack did not create. Of course, a stack should not   
>> rename or move files and folders it didn't create without  
>> obtaining  explicit confirmation from the user.
>> However it doesn't say *anything* about overwriting files!
>
> I'll vote for that enhancement request for the docs.
> What's the BZ# of the request you filed?
>
> You can check the existence of a file with the "there is" operator:
>
>   if there is a file tMyFile then
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Mar  6 13:07:19 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:07:19 -0800
Subject: This should be simple!!!
In-Reply-To: <45ED8784.6080105@crcom.net>
References: <45ED8784.6080105@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <45EDADD7.8020605@pdslabs.net>

Hi Len,

Did you declare 'gSaveInputPath' in the script where you're checking it, in or 
above* the handler in question? If it's not declared there, your handler treats 
it as a temp variable whose scope and lifespan are limited to the handler where 
you check it.

Not that I've *ever* done that myself... I just know someone who did it... 
(trying to keep a straight face).

Phil Davis


* If declared above the handler in question, it must be declared outside all 
handlers for this handler to have access to it. If declared in a handler, no 
other handlers can use it even though it's a global.



Len Morgan wrote:
> In my now 3 year long quest to write just ONE useable Rev program, I was 
> close but ran into something that I just can't figure out.  I have a 
> checkbutton on a configuration stack (separate from the main stack) and 
> a global variable that I set the hilite of the button to (mostly so I 
> don't need long convoluted descriptions to get to the state from the 
> main stack).
> 
> When it comes time to check the button state, I "put" the global 
> variable and it says it's true.  The very next line is:
> 
> if gSaveInputPath then
>    -- save the path to the file just used for next time
> end if
> 
> This FAILS every time (I added an else clause to display "not saving 
> path" just to make sure I was actually getting to the code).  I also tried
> 
> if gSaveInputPath is true then....   and that fails too.  If I check my 
> global variables, it is in fact showing "true" so I can't figure out 
> what's (not) going on.
> 
> Len
> 
> PS: Thanks to Jim Ault for you response on the field question.  You were 
> right that I'm not using groups on various cards/stacks to display the 
> same information in different places.  I'll give your suggestions a shot 
> as soon as I get this (hopefully simpler) problem resolved.


From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar  6 13:21:03 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 19:21:03 +0100
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>
	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>
	<E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>
	<DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <CDA200DA-68C6-4E35-B178-540C9954D53B@major-k.de>

Hi Dave,

> Hi,
>
> One thing to note here is that:
> rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
> FolderX/"
>
> Does not work!

In these cases (unsure about syntax) the docs DO help ;-)

> In order to make this work you have to use:
> rename "/FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx" to "FolderA/FolderB/ 
> FolderX/FileX.xxx"

I knew that!

> All the Best
> Dave

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Mar  6 13:21:21 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 19:21:21 +0100
Subject: This should be simple!!!
In-Reply-To: <45ED8784.6080105@crcom.net>
References: <45ED8784.6080105@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <74E7BADF-ED97-4863-95B1-6990CDE9F2A3@economy-x-talk.com>

Dear Len,

Are you sure that the code between "if gSaveInputPath then" and "end  
if" doesn't run at all? What if you put "beep" right after the if  
statement? Make sure tu check the result after saving your file. If  
the file can't be opened and you don't check the result, no  
exectution error occurs and you may never know that something went  
wrong.

Best,

Mark

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Op 6-mrt-2007, om 16:23 heeft Len Morgan het volgende geschreven:

> In my now 3 year long quest to write just ONE useable Rev program,  
> I was close but ran into something that I just can't figure out.  I  
> have a checkbutton on a configuration stack (separate from the main  
> stack) and a global variable that I set the hilite of the button to  
> (mostly so I don't need long convoluted descriptions to get to the  
> state from the main stack).
>
> When it comes time to check the button state, I "put" the global  
> variable and it says it's true.  The very next line is:
>
> if gSaveInputPath then
>    -- save the path to the file just used for next time
> end if
>
> This FAILS every time (I added an else clause to display "not  
> saving path" just to make sure I was actually getting to the  
> code).  I also tried
>
> if gSaveInputPath is true then....   and that fails too.  If I  
> check my global variables, it is in fact showing "true" so I can't  
> figure out what's (not) going on.
>
> Len
>
> PS: Thanks to Jim Ault for you response on the field question.  You  
> were right that I'm not using groups on various cards/stacks to  
> display the same information in different places.  I'll give your  
> suggestions a shot as soon as I get this (hopefully simpler)  
> problem resolved.



From klaus at major-k.de  Tue Mar  6 13:28:02 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 19:28:02 +0100
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <AE14F043-F3EA-4E27-B3AB-626777906071@major-k.de>

Hi Dave,

> Hi,
>
> I can't BZ it cos I'm working away in wilds of Kent and I can't log  
> on for some reason.
> Do you really think it's worth reporting it?

YOU posted 6 or 7 mails about this one, so I think it's up to you to  
decide.

> I mean nothing else ever seems to get fixed, so really what's the  
> point.

In that case you should also stop complaining here on this list. :-)

> I know about it now and have protected myself by making "Move" and  
> "Rename" functions that do all the checking the base command should  
> do.
>
> Take Care and All the Best
> Dave

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar  6 13:57:35 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 10:57:35 -0800
Subject: Moving a File
Message-ID: <45EDB99F.8070908@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
> Do you really think it's worth reporting it? 

You've already reported it here.  Might as well report it where it can 
make a difference.

> I mean nothing else ever seems to get fixed

Ever read the change logs included with each version?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar  6 13:57:40 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 12:57:40 -0600
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <A4001369-8E1B-4CB1-9161-1E6F98EA29B0@looktowindward.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>	<E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>	<DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>	<D2C9CE21-DF26-49CE-B03E-40344D299473@azurevision.co.uk>	<51024FB3-37BE-45AB-96B3-F818D0023F3E@looktowindward.com>	<0119AA03-F3AD-4945-B37E-C56C4DA624BD@mac.com>
	<A4001369-8E1B-4CB1-9161-1E6F98EA29B0@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <45EDB9A4.5060307@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:
> Oh, and BEWARE!!!
> 
> If you have two files:
> 
> /FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx
> /FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileY.xxx
> 
> 
> rename /FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx to 
> /FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileY.xxx
> 
> You will end up with one file called FileY.xxx! IOW, if the file exists 
> in the destination path it will quite happily OVERWRITE it!

Brace yourself, because the "url" syntax will do the same thing:

   put myData into url ("file:"&tURL)

If the file already exists, it is overwritten. Hopefully this will save 
you some frustration.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Mar  6 14:30:38 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:30:38 -0600
Subject: This should be simple!
Message-ID: <45EDC15E.4070107@crcom.net>

Andre,

I wish it was that simple but I have the globals defined in both the handler and the function that is checking it.  That was my first problem because I did not have them declared in one place.  After I fixed that, I still had the problem.  What made it strange was I used a put statement just before the if to see if it was "true" just before I was going to test it.  It was but it still executed the else part as if it was false.  Just to make sure, the syntax I used was:

if gSaveInputPath then
....

I also tried:

if gSaveInputPath is true then
...

Both gave me the same result.



Len,

globals must be declared to be used.
You need to declare that global in both the script that sets the  
hilite and also the script that has that if clause. In situations  
like this, the debugger is your friend and it's good to use it to  
explore variable values.

just go to the top line in the object script that contains those two  
pieces of code and add

global gSaveInputPath

if this is not the case, then you're probably failing to set the  
global in the first place, assure yourself with an answer call or the  
debugger that the global is actually a global and that its value is  
correct.

Andre


On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:23 PM, Len Morgan wrote:


> > In my now 3 year long quest to write just ONE useable Rev program,  
> > I was close but ran into something that I just can't figure out.  I  
> > have a checkbutton on a configuration stack (separate from the main  
> > stack) and a global variable that I set the hilite of the button to  
> > (mostly so I don't need long convoluted descriptions to get to the  
> > state from the main stack).
> >
> > When it comes time to check the button state, I "put" the global  
> > variable and it says it's true.  The very next line is:
> >
> > if gSaveInputPath then
> >    -- save the path to the file just used for next time
> > end if
> >
> > This FAILS every time (I added an else clause to display "not  
> > saving path" just to make sure I was actually getting to the  
> > code).  I also tried
> >
> > if gSaveInputPath is true then....   and that fails too.  If I  
> > check my global variables, it is in fact showing "true" so I can't  
> > figure out what's (not) going on.
> >
> > Len
> >
> > PS: Thanks to Jim Ault for you response on the field question.  You  
> > were right that I'm not using groups on various cards/stacks to  
> > display the same information in different places.  I'll give your  
> > suggestions a shot as soon as I get this (hopefully simpler)  
> > problem resolved.
> >
> >
> > 


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar  6 14:36:17 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 13:36:17 -0600
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <45EDC2B1.5060704@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:

> 
> Do you really think it's worth reporting it?

It depends on whether you want to vent (in which case, posting to the 
list is okay) or get it fixed (in which case, only a Bugzilla report 
will do.) The engineers don't read the list to find bugs. They only look 
for bugs in Bugzilla. If your report isn't in there, they won't know 
about it.

> I mean nothing else ever 
> seems to get fixed, so really what's the point.

A quick scan shows 2583 bugs fixed or resolved. That seems like more 
than "nothing". The most recent release, version 2.8, fixed over 50 IDE 
bugs and several engine bugs.

Note that 2.8 is an interim release, primarily intended to help 
developers build for their customers who use Vista. The next release is 
intended as a huge bug fix release, and getting your report into 
Bugzilla now will give it a better chance of inclusion when the big 
bug-bust happens.

> I know about it now and 
> have protected myself by making "Move" and "Rename" functions that do 
> all the checking the base command should do.

You should probably mark your report as a documentation bug, as the 
functionality most likely won't change. It's been in use for many years, 
and is well established usage in lots of stacks.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Mar  6 14:39:43 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:39:43 -0800
Subject: This should be simple!
In-Reply-To: <45EDC15E.4070107@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <C213037F.20B17%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Len Morgan wrote:

> I wish it was that simple but I have the globals defined in both the handler
> and the function that is checking it.  That was my first problem because I did
> not have them declared in one place.  After I fixed that, I still had the
> problem.  What made it strange was I used a put statement just before the if
> to see if it was "true" just before I was going to test it.

Len:

There's probably something else going on in your script.  When I place the
following in a button, I get the result I believe you want:

global gSaveInputPath
on mouseUp
   put true into gSaveInputPath
   send "testValue" to me in 1 second
end mouseUp

on testValue
  if gSaveInputPath then
    answer "Yes, it's true"
  else answer "Something's wrong"
end testValue

Checking gSaveInputPath from the message box also shows true.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 14:44:47 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 11:44:47 -0800
Subject: This should be simple!!!
In-Reply-To: <45ED8784.6080105@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <C21304AF.43A80%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Try these variations to see if your variable contains
--spaces, tabs, cr, or even multiple lines that are not visible in the
variable watcher unless you click.  You might be assuming that there are
only 4 chars in gSaveInputPath

-------------------------------
answer " length(gSaveInputPath) = " &  length(gSaveInputPath)
if gSaveInputPath = "true" then answer "test is indeed TRUE"

if word 1 of gSaveInputPath is "true" then

if gSaveInputPath contains "true" then
if not(gSaveInputPath contains "false") then

replace "true" with empty in gSaveInputPath
answer " length(gSaveInputPath) = " &  length(gSaveInputPath)

Different tests for different conditions

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/6/07 7:23 AM, "Len Morgan" <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:

> In my now 3 year long quest to write just ONE useable Rev program, I was
> close but ran into something that I just can't figure out.  I have a
> checkbutton on a configuration stack (separate from the main stack) and
> a global variable that I set the hilite of the button to (mostly so I
> don't need long convoluted descriptions to get to the state from the
> main stack).
> 
> When it comes time to check the button state, I "put" the global
> variable and it says it's true.  The very next line is:
> 
> if gSaveInputPath then
>     -- save the path to the file just used for next time
> end if
> 
> This FAILS every time (I added an else clause to display "not saving
> path" just to make sure I was actually getting to the code).  I also tried
> 
> if gSaveInputPath is true then....   and that fails too.  If I check my
> global variables, it is in fact showing "true" so I can't figure out
> what's (not) going on.
> 
> Len
> 
> PS: Thanks to Jim Ault for you response on the field question.  You were
> right that I'm not using groups on various cards/stacks to display the
> same information in different places.  I'll give your suggestions a shot
> as soon as I get this (hopefully simpler) problem resolved.
> 
> 
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From hughesmike2 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  6 15:09:41 2007
From: hughesmike2 at hotmail.com (Mike Hughes)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 20:09:41 +0000
Subject: 2 standalone build-related questions (OS X)
Message-ID: <BAY107-F33C23DEEC701BA5DD7EECCF37B0@phx.gbl>

Could anyone kindly assist me with the following two questions?

1.  When building a standalone on OS X, how can I get rid of the 
"Preferences" menuItem from the Application menu? I don't have a Preferences 
item coded into my Edit menu but it still appears under my Application menu.

2.  I have selected an icon to be a part of my "Answer" dialogs but in the 
standalone, the icon shows up towards the bottom of the "Answer" dialog, 
looks small, and is quite off-center. It appears that I am limited to a 
32x32 icon when selecting said icon in the standalone settings.

Many thanks.

Mike

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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Tue Mar  6 15:28:57 2007
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:28:57 +0100
Subject: RRRREEEEPPPPIIIITTTTIIIIOOOONNNN
Message-ID: <38c656319400ea0686d9883dcd4486b8@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

This is not the first time I launch into this area. But I will continue 
until you understand, because my time (and yours, I hope !) is precious 
!

I go through this forum religiously, every day, hoping to pick up some 
vital tit-bit of information which will make me BETTER. Some of you 
guys make me feel like I am a beginner, but I am still eager to learn 
(I obviously wasn't as good as I thought over my 40 years of 
programming). Some of the subjects do not concern me in the slightest, 
but then, this is part of the fun - scanning the different mails to 
find the pearl which I personally can use, and make my programming that 
much more efficient. And when I find it, I save it, and feel that the 
day has brought me something positive. And I use it and thank 
(sometimes by thought waves) the guy who gave me the idea. And I love 
this forum !

HOWEVER, and I am not pointing any accusing fingers, and I am not 
naming names, some participants, probably because they don't realize 
what they are doing, sometimes take up 30, 40, even 50 percent of the 
mail volume of the day, when they include ALL of their previous 
exchanges in each mail - sometimes indenting to the seventh and even 
eighth level. This includes their logos, their personal mail addresses, 
their telephone numbers, and their life history, sometimes generating 
more than 200 lines of repeated text, for an earth-shatteringl 1 line 
message, such as "Yeah - this is so much fun when it works  !"

Think about the others who have to plough through this rubbish to get 
to the next message. Select WITH DISCRIMINATION, the text that you 
think should be repeated.
And never forget, with a single keystroke on your computer, you can 
send an ENORMOUS amount of b******t !

'Nuff Said !

-Francis



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Mar  6 15:35:38 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:35:38 +0000
Subject: This should be simple!!!
In-Reply-To: <45ED8784.6080105@crcom.net>
References: <45ED8784.6080105@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <1D09A8D9-1962-41A2-80AC-95310D0FE17A@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 6 Mar 2007, at 15:23, Len Morgan wrote:
> When it comes time to check the button state, I "put" the global  
> variable and it says it's true.

Is it possible there is a space or some other character attached to  
the "true" that you see in the message box.

Instead of this:

   put gSaveInputPath

try this

   put gSaveInputPath is true


Cheers
Dave


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar  6 15:47:08 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:47:08 -0600
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <01E497D3-386D-4A9D-8DC0-E9D23C8BFE4B@looktowindward.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>	<E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>	<DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>	<D2C9CE21-DF26-49CE-B03E-40344D299473@azurevision.co.uk>	<51024FB3-37BE-45AB-96B3-F818D0023F3E@looktowindward.com>	<0119AA03-F3AD-4945-B37E-C56C4DA624BD@mac.com>
	<01E497D3-386D-4A9D-8DC0-E9D23C8BFE4B@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <45EDD34C.7050903@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:
> 
> a)  I'm not running Unix!

Revolution was originally created for Unix only, and many of its 
commands and syntax structures mirror that. For example, we use forward 
slashes ("/"), a unix convention, in all file paths regardless of the OS 
the engine is running on. The original engine, MetaCard, ran exclusively 
on unix systems for many years before a port to Windows was created, and 
a couple more years after that before it moved to Macintosh. You will 
find many commands in the documentation that are unix-only and have no 
effect in other operating systems. All these reflect the original 
MetaCard roots of the engine.


> b)  In  the Unix the Command is "mv" (for move) and, AFAIR you can say: 
> mv /FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/Filex.xxx /FolderA/FolderB/FolderX/ which is 
> what I was doing in the first place!

I decided to look this up. The man entry for mv shows two forms of 
syntax. The first form, which is the assumed default, is the one that 
Revolution uses, and requires a file path for both parameters. The 
second form is similar to the one you quote, but your method would 
produce an error. The man entry says "It is an error for either the 
source operand or the destination path to specify a directory unless 
both do." The second form is apparently intended to move the file 
contents of whole directories from one folder to another.

> 
> I just don't get it, you take the Unix "move" command, call it "rename" 
> and then stop it working like "move".

That doesn't seem to be the case. Revolution's rename command (which 
doesn't exist in unix) is mapped to the mv command (which does) and uses 
the first form, which is also the default form. I see below that there 
are several flags which affect whether the mv command will prompt before 
overwriting a file. I assume that to keep things simple, MetaCard used 
no flags in its interpretation of the mv command and assumed the 
developer would handle fie duplicates in scripts.

Here's the first part of the man entry, for reference:

SYNOPSIS
      mv [-f | -i | -n] [-v] source target
      mv [-f | -i | -n] [-v] source ... directory

DESCRIPTION
      In its first form, the mv utility renames the file named by the source
      operand to the destination path named by the target operand.  This 
form
      is assumed when the last operand does not name an already existing 
directory.

      In its second form, mv moves each file named by a source operand to a
      destination file in the existing directory named by the directory 
operand.  The destination path for each operand is the pathname produced by
      the concatenation of the last operand, a slash, and the final pathname
      component of the named file.

      The following options are available:

      -f      Do not prompt for confirmation before overwriting the 
destination
              path.  (The -f option overrides any previous -i or -n 
options.)

      -i      Cause mv to write a prompt to standard error before moving 
a file
              that would overwrite an existing file.  If the response 
from the
              standard input begins with the character `y' or `Y', the 
move is
              attempted.  (The -i option overrides any previous -f or -n
              options.)

      -n      Do not overwrite an existing file.  (The -n option 
overrides any
              previous -f or -i options.)

      -v      Cause mv to be verbose, showing files after they are moved.

      It is an error for either the source operand or the destination 
path to
      specify a directory unless both do.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar  6 16:06:03 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:06:03 -0600
Subject: 2 standalone build-related questions (OS X)
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-F33C23DEEC701BA5DD7EECCF37B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY107-F33C23DEEC701BA5DD7EECCF37B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <45EDD7BB.1070008@hyperactivesw.com>

Mike Hughes wrote:
> Could anyone kindly assist me with the following two questions?
> 
> 1.  When building a standalone on OS X, how can I get rid of the 
> "Preferences" menuItem from the Application menu? I don't have a 
> Preferences item coded into my Edit menu but it still appears under my 
> Application menu.

I'm afraid you can't. Mac OS X puts it there automatically (along with 
the Help menu, too) and the application doesn't have much to say about 
it. I've been able to disable the menu item after the standalone 
launches, though.

> 2.  I have selected an icon to be a part of my "Answer" dialogs but in 
> the standalone, the icon shows up towards the bottom of the "Answer" 
> dialog, looks small, and is quite off-center. It appears that I am 
> limited to a 32x32 icon when selecting said icon in the standalone 
> settings.

See gRevAppIcon and gRevSmallAppIcon in the docs. The size for the first 
should be 64x64 and the second is 32x32. The smaller image is used in 
addition to the standard image when you specify an icon type for the 
dialogs (i.e., "ask warning" or "answer question".) If you don't specify 
an icon type, the larger image is used alone.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Mar  6 16:10:52 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 15:10:52 -0600
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <200703061036.37847.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45ECEDAA.6070203@fourthworld.com>
	<200703061036.37847.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703061310g398c791evaf529e2614ab8ccd@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,

Sorry to interrupt your dream, but according to this page:
http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/os/

Running Vista under Parallels is supported.

-Chipp

On 3/6/07, Peter Alcibiades <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> In my own dream, I did it too, and a few days later MS showed up with a writ
> summoning me to court for my crimes and misdemeanors.  I publicized the event
> massively.  There was a huge groundswell of support which bought me the most
> expensive lawyers in the EC, and when the case came to trial it was thrown
> out amid massive publicity, on the grounds that it was an attempt to enforce
> unlawful and anti-competitive post sales restrictions on use.  The Commission
> published press releases applauding the result.  I was famous.
>
> The result was that Eulas everywhere in the EC had to be rewritten and the
> rights of the purchaser to use the software as he liked were publicly
> affirmed.
>
> In my dream I now seemed to have become clairvoyant, because I could see all
> the way to California and Seattle.  I saw Bill Gates and Steve Jobs on the
> phone to each other.  Jobs was saying to Gates "why did you have to prosecute
> the bum, you knew you would lose, and now you have ruined it for all of us".
>
> Then I woke up.


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 16:21:56 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:21:56 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: 2 standalone build-related questions (OS X)
Message-ID: <337874.24968.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Answer dialogues . . .

Funny-sized, misplaced icons . . .

There is not much freedom of movement here; personally
I make my own dialogues using substacks - in this way
I can make them look just exactly the way I want them.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue Mar  6 16:22:13 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:22:13 -0400
Subject: RRRREEEEPPPPIIIITTTTIIIIOOOONNNN
In-Reply-To: <38c656319400ea0686d9883dcd4486b8@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <C21353C5.2F2CA%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Sorry, I will try to keep it to one line. Do you read your email on a
blackberry or something like that?


On 3/6/07 4:28 PM, "Francis Nugent Dixon" <effendi at wanadoo.fr> wrote:

> Yeah - this is so much fun when it works  !




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Mar  6 16:24:14 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:24:14 +0100
Subject: 2 standalone build-related questions (OS X)
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-F33C23DEEC701BA5DD7EECCF37B0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY107-F33C23DEEC701BA5DD7EECCF37B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CE663773-6E78-4022-BE90-9373FDB986B3@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi MIke,

If you delete the Edit menu entirely, there won't be a Preferences  
menu item. Maybe you can create a menu Edit & space instead.

Best,

Mark

--

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Op 6-mrt-2007, om 21:09 heeft Mike Hughes het volgende geschreven:

<snip>
>
> 2.  I have selected an icon to be a part of my "Answer" dialogs but  
> in the standalone, the icon shows up towards the bottom of the  
> "Answer" dialog, looks small, and is quite off-center. It appears  
> that I am limited to a 32x32 icon when selecting said icon in the  
> standalone settings.
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Mike



From geir.myrestrand at falconstor.com  Tue Mar  6 16:43:29 2007
From: geir.myrestrand at falconstor.com (Geir A. Myrestrand)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 16:43:29 -0500
Subject: Print to PDF on Win?
In-Reply-To: <45EC89F2.4010905@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EC89F2.4010905@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <45EDE081.9050101@falconstor.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
> Which freeware solution would you recommend for printing to PDF from 
> Windows?
> 
> I have a lot of printing tests to do, so I prefer a virtual printer.
> 
> TIA -
> 

http://www.dopdf.com/


-- 

Geir A. Myrestrand


From rjb at robelko.com  Tue Mar  6 16:57:02 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:57:02 +0100
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45EDD34C.7050903@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>
	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>
	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>
	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>
	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>
	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>
	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>
	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>
	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>
	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>
	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>
	<E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>
	<DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>
	<D2C9CE21-DF26-49CE-B03E-40344D299473@azurevision.co.uk>
	<51024FB3-37BE-45AB-96B3-F818D0023F3E@looktowindward.com>
	<0119AA03-F3AD-4945-B37E-C56C4DA624BD@mac.com>
	<01E497D3-386D-4A9D-8DC0-E9D23C8BFE4B@looktowindward.com>
	<45EDD34C.7050903@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06240814c2139066323d@[192.168.1.101]>

>>
>>I just don't get it, you take the Unix "move" command, call it 
>>"rename" and then stop it working like "move".
>
>That doesn't seem to be the case. Revolution's rename command (which 
>doesn't exist in unix) is mapped to the mv command (which does) and 
>uses the first form, which is also the default form. I see below 
>that there are several flags which affect whether the mv command 
>will prompt before overwriting a file. I assume that to keep things 
>simple, MetaCard used no flags in its interpretation of the mv 
>command and assumed the developer would handle fie duplicates in 
>scripts.
>

May be the relation of renaming to mv makes more sense if one 
realizes that renaming files in Unix is done using the mv, yes, the 
move command.

It makes as much sense as using rename to move ;-)

I gather the primary use of mv from MetaCard's perspective was to 
support renaming files, and the capability to actually move them came 
as bonus.

One could write wrapper functions, one to move and another to rename, 
each checking whether filenames and paths are changed or not changed 
as expected, and checking for existence of files that can be 
overwritten with a parameter controlling whether it is ok to do it. 
These could be added to IDE as revMoveFile and revRenameFile and 
leave the original rename for the brave ones :)

Robert


From david at openpartnership.net  Tue Mar  6 17:17:36 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:17:36 +0100
Subject: Anyone got experience with the XMLRPC libraries?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703061417k50def40fy7090f09040aac226@mail.gmail.com>

The documentation is a bit sparse :)

In particular I need to authenticate the XMLRPC call using the normal
basic authentication - and I can find no way of doing it? Setting the
host to:

   username:password at www.example.com

does not work.

I've asked before but got no reply - is anyone actually using it ???


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 17:30:54 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:30:54 +1000
Subject: 2 standalone build-related questions (OS X)
In-Reply-To: <CE663773-6E78-4022-BE90-9373FDB986B3@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <BAY107-F33C23DEEC701BA5DD7EECCF37B0@phx.gbl>
	<CE663773-6E78-4022-BE90-9373FDB986B3@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703061430n3de1394es9b4c7b3e93905126@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/7/07, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
> Hi MIke,
>
> If you delete the Edit menu entirely, there won't be a Preferences
> menu item. Maybe you can create a menu Edit & space instead.
>

There will still be a Preferences menu item because OS X puts it
there, but it will be disabled. My way around this is to call the Edit
menu something else and set it's label to "Edit". That way it looks
right, but doesn't get treated like an Edit menu by the system.

Cheers,
Sarah


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Mar  6 17:37:18 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:37:18 +0100
Subject: 2 standalone build-related questions (OS X)
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703061430n3de1394es9b4c7b3e93905126@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BAY107-F33C23DEEC701BA5DD7EECCF37B0@phx.gbl>
	<CE663773-6E78-4022-BE90-9373FDB986B3@economy-x-talk.com>
	<f99b52860703061430n3de1394es9b4c7b3e93905126@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD72B41B-2990-45CB-8C0B-891274A2729D@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Sarah,

That's exactly what I meant. Thanks for explaining it.

Mark

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Op 6-mrt-2007, om 23:30 heeft Sarah Reichelt het volgende geschreven:

> On 3/7/07, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>> Hi MIke,
>>
>> If you delete the Edit menu entirely, there won't be a Preferences
>> menu item. Maybe you can create a menu Edit & space instead.
>>
>
> There will still be a Preferences menu item because OS X puts it
> there, but it will be disabled. My way around this is to call the Edit
> menu something else and set it's label to "Edit". That way it looks
> right, but doesn't get treated like an Edit menu by the system.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar  6 17:47:22 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:47:22 -0800
Subject: 2 standalone build-related questions (OS X)
Message-ID: <45EDEF7A.6030501@fourthworld.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On 3/7/07, Mark Schonewille <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com> wrote:
>> If you delete the Edit menu entirely, there won't be a Preferences
>> menu item. Maybe you can create a menu Edit & space instead.
> 
> There will still be a Preferences menu item because OS X puts it
> there, but it will be disabled. My way around this is to call the Edit
> menu something else and set it's label to "Edit". That way it looks
> right, but doesn't get treated like an Edit menu by the system.

Does OS X put it there, or does the Rev engine for OS X put it there?

I've found that renaming "Edit" makes the "Preferences" item disabled, 
but I haven't found a way to get rid of it altogether.

I haven't delved into this in XCode, but my hunch is that Apple provides 
a way to write applications that don't have a "Preferences" item, no?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar  6 17:55:47 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:55:47 -0800
Subject: 2 standalone build-related questions (OS X)
Message-ID: <45EDF173.5050801@fourthworld.com>

Earlier I wrote:

> Does OS X put it there, or does the Rev engine for OS X put it there?
> 
> I've found that renaming "Edit" makes the "Preferences" item disabled, 
> but I haven't found a way to get rid of it altogether.
> 
> I haven't delved into this in XCode, but my hunch is that Apple provides 
> a way to write applications that don't have a "Preferences" item, no?

I've since discovered that Apple's Stickies doesn't include a 
"Preferences" item, so this looks like the work of the engine.

I've updated a related enhancement request to include this:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3044>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 18:01:00 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:01:00 -0800
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <p06240814c2139066323d@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <C21332AC.43A9F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

you should also check to see if the move/rename was successful.  There are
reasons why this may not be possible (permissions, invalid chars, typos)

function moveFile Apath, Bpath

   return (there is a file Bpath)  -- => should be true
end moveFile

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/6/07 1:57 PM, "Robert Brenstein" <rjb at robelko.com> wrote:

>>> 
>>> I just don't get it, you take the Unix "move" command, call it
>>> "rename" and then stop it working like "move".
>> 
>> That doesn't seem to be the case. Revolution's rename command (which
>> doesn't exist in unix) is mapped to the mv command (which does) and
>> uses the first form, which is also the default form. I see below
>> that there are several flags which affect whether the mv command
>> will prompt before overwriting a file. I assume that to keep things
>> simple, MetaCard used no flags in its interpretation of the mv
>> command and assumed the developer would handle fie duplicates in
>> scripts.
>> 
> 
> May be the relation of renaming to mv makes more sense if one
> realizes that renaming files in Unix is done using the mv, yes, the
> move command.
> 
> It makes as much sense as using rename to move ;-)
> 
> I gather the primary use of mv from MetaCard's perspective was to
> support renaming files, and the capability to actually move them came
> as bonus.
> 
> One could write wrapper functions, one to move and another to rename,
> each checking whether filenames and paths are changed or not changed
> as expected, and checking for existence of files that can be
> overwritten with a parameter controlling whether it is ok to do it.
> These could be added to IDE as revMoveFile and revRenameFile and
> leave the original rename for the brave ones :)
> 
> Robert
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From chris at altuit.com  Tue Mar  6 18:45:27 2007
From: chris at altuit.com (chris bohnert)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:45:27 -0600
Subject: Build external on Linux
In-Reply-To: <1684699.20070306133118@valentina-db.com>
References: <1934907741.20070305185625@valentina-db.com>
	<2e0cf4750703050934u1de8ea1eobaee36ebf4e7a3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1684699.20070306133118@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <2e0cf4750703061545g6dc5a077m8873b87b86a8172a@mail.gmail.com>

Kirill,

Something along the lines of:

#ifdef X11
int main(int argc, char *argv[], char *envp[])
{
  int retval;
  if (!X_init(argc, argv, envp, Xtable, Xname))
    exit(-1);
  X_main_loop();
  retval = X_close();
  return(retval);
}
#endif

should do the trick.  Without this your external will compile..but when you
try 'put the externalCommands' or 'put the externalFunctions' they'll both
be empty.

Also, you'll want to be sure to include a -I/(the path to your X11 include
dir for your distro)

-HTH

--
cb

On 3/6/07, Kirill Pekarov <kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, chris.
>
> You wrote 05.03.2007, 19:34:44:
>
> > You might try adding the -fpermissive flag to see
> > if that helps or change to an earlier gcc version.
> Yes this flag help resolve some problems.
>
> > Its also worth noting that a Linux external is an executable that should
> > contain a "main" for loading the Xtable...as opposed to the mac and
> windows
> > externals which are shared objects.
> I don't understand, what exactly must be in the main function?
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
> --
> Best regards,
>
> Kirill Pekarov
> Software Engineer Associate
> Paradigma Software, Inc
> Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database
> http://www.valentina-db.com
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Tue Mar  6 20:03:36 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 17:03:36 -0800
Subject: RRRREEEEPPPPIIIITTTTIIIIOOOONNNN
In-Reply-To: <38c656319400ea0686d9883dcd4486b8@wanadoo.fr>
References: <38c656319400ea0686d9883dcd4486b8@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <BDF3A54E-A0E0-4462-8743-88699A05CBB3@Cox.Net>

How did you do that Francis? I was just writing to say "Amen"!

Joe Wilins

On Mar 6, 2007, at 12:28 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> b******t !



From hughesmike2 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar  6 20:07:04 2007
From: hughesmike2 at hotmail.com (Mike Hughes)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 01:07:04 +0000
Subject: 2 standalone build-related questions (OS X)
In-Reply-To: <45EDF173.5050801@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BAY107-F13AF3826D843E917770021F37A0@phx.gbl>

Thanks -- you guys have been a great help. Richard, yes in xCode you can 
choose not to include a "Preferences" item so you are correct in your 
assertion that this is a Rev engine issue.

Have any of you perhaps developed a nice "hand" cursor thats a full hand and 
not just one pointer finger as in the Rev default cursor? I drew what I 
think is a nice black and white one but can't seem to get Revolution to 
render it correctly.

Thanks,

Mike


>From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
>Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Subject: Re: 2 standalone build-related questions (OS X)
>Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:55:47 -0800
>
>Earlier I wrote:
>
>>Does OS X put it there, or does the Rev engine for OS X put it there?
>>
>>I've found that renaming "Edit" makes the "Preferences" item disabled, but 
>>I haven't found a way to get rid of it altogether.
>>
>>I haven't delved into this in XCode, but my hunch is that Apple provides a 
>>way to write applications that don't have a "Preferences" item, no?
>
>I've since discovered that Apple's Stickies doesn't include a "Preferences" 
>item, so this looks like the work of the engine.
>
>I've updated a related enhancement request to include this:
><http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3044>
>
>--
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>  Fourth World Media Corporation
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From jeff at siphonophore.com  Tue Mar  6 20:25:15 2007
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:25:15 -0500
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <20070307010708.7D1EA48908E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070307010708.7D1EA48908E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C1150C18-279A-4BA2-80E8-A9C65C3BE8DC@siphonophore.com>

I wonder how long MS will continue to sell XP home and pro now that  
Vista is out... I guess there is still gobs of old equipment out  
there that is not up to vista that could still be upgraded to XP and  
make some $$, so i hope it will be around a while...

cheers,

jeff


Jeffrey Reynolds



From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Tue Mar  6 20:59:05 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:59:05 -0400
Subject: Database query fields
In-Reply-To: <C213125E.2F273%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <C21394A9.2F313%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I spoke to soon. This does set the correct field property but it seems that
in order for the fld to work with the database query it can only be set
manually using the GUI. I can see the property set correctly when calling it
but the GUI doesn't and it doesn't work with the query manager.

I ended up setting each field manually as I ran out of time trying to do it
the fast way. 


On 3/6/07 12:43 PM, "Bill" <bill at bluewatermaritime.com> wrote:

> Thanks -- I got it:
> 
>         set the cREVDatabase["Linkcolumn"] of fld theFldName to theFldName
> 




From rjb at robelko.com  Tue Mar  6 20:47:16 2007
From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:47:16 +0100
Subject: RRRREEEEPPPPIIIITTTTIIIIOOOONNNN
Message-ID: <p06240808c213c9e5379c@[192.168.1.101]>

Seems that people who have their mail programs set to insert their 
reply text on top are more prone to this problem.


From msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu  Tue Mar  6 22:11:54 2007
From: msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu (Marc Siskin)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:11:54 -0500
Subject: I need a script to ...
Message-ID: <7A276D11-C2EC-4CBC-90D7-34CDA1EE6AC3@andrew.cmu.edu>

I am working on a stack with 4 sections each section has more than 20  
cards.   I need to limit the time spent on each section (e.g. 20  
minutes for section 1).  When the time is up I need to have the user  
taken the end of that section.

I would appreciate script samples that will set the duration for a  
group of cards and no matter where in that group skip to the end of  
the group of cards when the time is up.

Any help would greatly appreciated.

Thank you,
Marc

---------------
Marc Siskin
Manager, Modern Language Resource Center
Carnegie Mellon University
msiskin at andrew.cmu.edu





From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Mar  6 23:18:18 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:18:18 -0600
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>

Again, I don't see that big a reason for complaining and I don't 
think it's a bug. I would have a hard time with a function that might 
give me a dialog asking me if it's ok to overwrite or not. I would 
rather have the primitive and do the dialog and checking myself, as 
you have.

You're right in saying the docs could reflect more about this, 
however. And the naming conventions -- don't get me started -- look 
at "destroystack". That's the most misleading.

cool ......  "The Wilds of Kent".



>Hi,
>
>I can't BZ it cos I'm working away in wilds of Kent and I can't log 
>on for some reason.
>
>Do you really think it's worth reporting it? I mean nothing else 
>ever seems to get fixed, so really what's the point. I know about it 
>now and have protected myself by making "Move" and "Rename" 
>functions that do all the checking the base command should do.
>
>Take Care and All the Best
>Dave

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Mar  6 23:27:14 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:27:14 -0600
Subject: RRRREEEEPPPPIIIITTTTIIIIOOOONNNN
In-Reply-To: <38c656319400ea0686d9883dcd4486b8@wanadoo.fr>
References: <38c656319400ea0686d9883dcd4486b8@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <p06240803c213eeb519c4@[192.168.1.101]>

Yes, you are quite right and we have to remind folks once in a while 
that multiple levels of quoting  is not only unnecessary on a 
listserv, it is annoying, especially on digests. This habit probably 
comes from the old office habit of multi-level-quoting personal 
emails, but has no place here, unless it helps to make a point.



>Hi from Paris,


>they include ALL of their previous exchanges in each mail - 
>sometimes indenting to the seventh and even eighth level. This 
>includes their logos, their personal mail addresses, their telephone 
>numbers, and their life history, sometimes generating more than 200 
>lines of repeated text, for an earth-shatteringl 1 line message, 
>such as "Yeah - this is so much fun when it works  !"
>
>Think about the others who have to plough through this rubbish to 
>get to the next message. Select WITH DISCRIMINATION, the text that 
>you think should be repeated.
>And never forget, with a single keystroke on your computer, you can 
>send an ENORMOUS amount of b******t !
>
>'Nuff Said !
>
>-Francis

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Mar  7 00:13:34 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:13:34 -0800
Subject: I need a script to ...
In-Reply-To: <7A276D11-C2EC-4CBC-90D7-34CDA1EE6AC3@andrew.cmu.edu>
References: <7A276D11-C2EC-4CBC-90D7-34CDA1EE6AC3@andrew.cmu.edu>
Message-ID: <45EE49FE.9010002@pdslabs.net>

Hi Marc,

Marc Siskin wrote:
> I am working on a stack with 4 sections each section has more than 20 
> cards.   I need to limit the time spent on each section (e.g. 20 minutes 
> for section 1).  When the time is up I need to have the user taken the 
> end of that section.
> 
> I would appreciate script samples that will set the duration for a group 
> of cards and no matter where in that group skip to the end of the group 
> of cards when the time is up.
> 
> Any help would greatly appreciated.


Whenever you have a time limit like the ones you describe, you can use the timer 
built into one form of Rev's "send" command. For example, when a section is 
started, a handler somewhere could issue this command:

    send "moveToNextSection" to this stack in (20*60) seconds

That would cause the "moveToNextSection" handler to be executed in 20 minutes.

If a student finishes a section in less than 20 minutes, you probably want to 
cancel the command. here's how:


local vSectionTimer -- declared outside and above all handlers

on sectionStart
    send "moveToNextSection" to this stack in (20*60) seconds
    put the result into vSectionTimer -- the ID of this pendingMessage
end sectionStart


on sectionEnd -- student finished section in less than 20 min
    cancel vSectionTimer
end sectionEnd


on moveToNextSection
    go to last card of grp "Section1"
end moveToNextSection


You can trigger the Start and End handlers with openCard and closeCard handlers, 
and there are probably some other ways.

Take a look at 'the pendingMessages' also.

Hope this helps.
Phil Davis


From rishi at puredata.com.au  Wed Mar  7 00:15:57 2007
From: rishi at puredata.com.au (Rishi Viner)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:15:57 +1100
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
In-Reply-To: <45EC6936.7040809@howsoft.com>
References: <45EC6936.7040809@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <200703071615.57738.rishi@puredata.com.au>

On Tuesday 06 March 2007 06:02, Bob Warren wrote:
>
> I have tried running Rev from my pendrive using xterm in Feisty Fawn
> Flight 5 on a live CD. Here is the result:
>
> ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86
> bash: /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86: Permission denied
> ubuntu at ubuntu:~$ sudo /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86
> sudo: unable to execute /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86:
> Permission denied
> ubuntu at ubuntu:~$

Hmmm, has ubuntu changed the default permissions given to pendrives when they 
are mounted? Do you have executable rights on that file? (ls -la) If not, try 
changing the permissions on the file on the pendrive and try again. If this 
is the problem, you will have to dig deeper and change the defaults for 
mounting pendrives so that you do have executable rights. 

Hope this helps, 

Rishi.



From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 00:32:33 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:32:33 -0700
Subject: Simulated mouse messages
Message-ID: <850D2806-031C-4200-8C9B-2E02A2228A20@gmail.com>

Hello.

I'm working on simulating mouse messages and am hung up on how to  
simulate mouseDown, mouseStillDown, and mouseUp messages from script  
(specifically, network messages). Any thoughts?

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Wed Mar  7 01:53:56 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:53:56 -0800
Subject: Simulated mouse messages
In-Reply-To: <850D2806-031C-4200-8C9B-2E02A2228A20@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C213A184.23131%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

Check the dictionary for "send."

send "mouseUp" to button 1

-- Dick


On 3/6/07 9:32 PM, "Brent Anderson" <brentj84062 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> I'm working on simulating mouse messages and am hung up on how to
> simulate mouseDown, mouseStillDown, and mouseUp messages from script
> (specifically, network messages). Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brent Anderson
> Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Mar  7 02:05:49 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 23:05:49 -0800
Subject: Simulated mouse messages
In-Reply-To: <850D2806-031C-4200-8C9B-2E02A2228A20@gmail.com>
References: <850D2806-031C-4200-8C9B-2E02A2228A20@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45EE644D.4040604@pdslabs.net>

Hi Brent,

When you say 'network messages' are you talking about sockets-related callback 
messages like this one?

    open socket <socketDescription> with message "<callbackMessage>"

Or do you mean something else?

Dick K was right - you can just say 'send "mouseUp" to btn 1' in a handler, or 
even just 'mouseUp' on a line of its own if you want the message to move 
normally along the message path.

Phil Davis



Brent Anderson wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> I'm working on simulating mouse messages and am hung up on how to 
> simulate mouseDown, mouseStillDown, and mouseUp messages from script 
> (specifically, network messages). Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brent Anderson
> Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center


From livfoss at mac.com  Wed Mar  7 03:25:43 2007
From: livfoss at mac.com (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:25:43 +0100
Subject: RRRREEEEPPPPIIIITTTTIIIIOOOONNNN
Message-ID: <30B98CB7-5FF3-44B3-B919-DC60127EB86B@mac.com>

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:22:13 -0400, Bill <bill at bluewatermaritime.com>  
wrote:

> Do you read your email on ablackberry or something like that?

If he's anything like me, he reads the Digest and is fed up with the  
amount of scrolling he has to do, even on an ordinary computer  
screen. Me too.


----------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK and France



From gwills at ozemail.com.au  Wed Mar  7 03:45:31 2007
From: gwills at ozemail.com.au (Greg Wills)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:15:31 +0930
Subject: Sorting text
In-Reply-To: <200309212215.SAA18765@www.runrev.com>
References: <200309212215.SAA18765@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3d8823b13fe5a6d2e1f8b02b3b2b358d@ozemail.com.au>

Hi All

Has been ages since I have joined this discussion. I am writing a small 
program for a student with Cerebral Palsy who accesses his computer via 
a trackball. He is about to commence a literacy program and I was going 
to knock up a program to enable him to participate.

My plan was to shuffle a sentence and get him to click on words to 
paste the word into another text box in the correct order.

Two questions
1. Does anyone have a similar program - seems no point in reinventing 
the wheel (apart from the fun of it) - that they would like to share.

2. Sorting. I am using the "sort" command to sort the words in a 
container from the text field, but they are not sorting. If I  use a 
few lines of text, then these get sorted, but I was under the 
impression that if the line "sort items of holder" (holder as a 
variable) is used, then the words in a container would be sorted. But 
it is not.

Any suggestions or comments will be greatly received.

cheers

Greg Wills


From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar  7 04:19:51 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:19:51 +0100
Subject: Sorting text
In-Reply-To: <3d8823b13fe5a6d2e1f8b02b3b2b358d@ozemail.com.au>
References: <200309212215.SAA18765@www.runrev.com>
	<3d8823b13fe5a6d2e1f8b02b3b2b358d@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <96BEE605-A621-4893-914A-D8FD37326297@maseurope.net>

Greg, you can certainly sort items, but what an item is depends on  
what the global property "the itemDelimiter" is (it defaults to comma).

So if you want to sort the words in a container, you might try

set the itemDelimiter to space
sort items of tContainer

You can sort lines and items, but I don't think you can sort words.

Best,

Mark


On 7 Mar 2007, at 09:45, Greg Wills wrote:

>
> 2. Sorting. I am using the "sort" command to sort the words in a  
> container from the text field, but they are not sorting. If I  use  
> a few lines of text, then these get sorted, but I was under the  
> impression that if the line "sort items of holder" (holder as a  
> variable) is used, then the words in a container would be sorted.  
> But it is not.
>



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 04:27:26 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:27:26 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>


On 7 Mar 2007, at 04:18, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Again, I don't see that big a reason for complaining and I don't  
> think it's a bug.

Well, it's not really a complaint (well a bit I suppose!) but really  
I was posting because I was shocked and thought that it might save  
some poor soul loss of a file or worse still their job/contract!

> I would have a hard time with a function that might give me a  
> dialog asking me if it's ok to overwrite or not. I would rather  
> have the primitive and do the dialog and checking myself, as you have.

I agree I wouldn't want a dialog box either, but it would be good if  
it either just refused to delete the file silently, returned an error  
code and/or threw an an exception that could be "caught".

> You're right in saying the docs could reflect more about this,  
> however. And the naming conventions -- don't get me started -- look  
> at "destroystack". That's the most misleading.
>

Yeah, I know there are lots of places where the documentation could  
be so much better and it could be done so easily. Take this problem  
for example, if the online documentation had a note warning that   
file could be overwritten it would be something at least. Especially  
since when you consider that the documentation does have this to say  
about rename:

Caution!  This command can be used to rename or move files and  
folders your stack did not create. Of course, a stack should not  
rename or move files and folders it didn't create without obtaining  
explicit confirmation from the user.

I don't know about you but most of my Apps access files that are not  
created by my stack. I can't see what the problem is with this and  
why the author would think to caution us about it, especially when it  
will actually delete files!!!!!  A fact which they are quiet about!  
It's a bit like saying:

Caution: Being near an H Bomb Explosion can cause slight discomfort!

The whole system just seems crazy to me. It would literally take  
someone 5 minutes to change the documentation in this case (and in  
the case of the "array" entry) , but you have to fill in a bug report  
etc. all if which takes longer that just changing the docs! I'm not  
saying that filling in a bug report is wrong, just that if for things  
like this that are easy to fix and just affect the docs it would be  
good if the change could go into quickly rather than waiting for the  
next release where it might or might not be fixed.

> cool ......  "The Wilds of Kent".

It is nice here, I'm near the River Medway and there is a Cold War  
Russian Submarine complete with a hammer and sickle moored nearby  
where I am staying!

All the Best
Dave





From simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk  Wed Mar  7 04:41:52 2007
From: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk (Simon HARPER)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:41:52 +0000
Subject: Sorting text
In-Reply-To: <96BEE605-A621-4893-914A-D8FD37326297@maseurope.net>
References: <200309212215.SAA18765@www.runrev.com>
	<3d8823b13fe5a6d2e1f8b02b3b2b358d@ozemail.com.au>
	<96BEE605-A621-4893-914A-D8FD37326297@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <1D7C1341-8EC6-416D-B5B5-E85C4DCD6ED9@manchester.ac.uk>

Hi there,
As an addition to this does the sorting machinery allow frequency  
counts for words in a text field?


Cheers
Si.

====
Simon Harper
2.44 Kilburn Building
University of Manchester (UK)

Pri: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk
Alt: sharper at cs.man.ac.uk


On 7 Mar 2007, at 09:19, Mark Smith wrote:

> Greg, you can certainly sort items, but what an item is depends on  
> what the global property "the itemDelimiter" is (it defaults to  
> comma).
>
> So if you want to sort the words in a container, you might try
>
> set the itemDelimiter to space
> sort items of tContainer
>
> You can sort lines and items, but I don't think you can sort words.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
>
> On 7 Mar 2007, at 09:45, Greg Wills wrote:
>
>>
>> 2. Sorting. I am using the "sort" command to sort the words in a  
>> container from the text field, but they are not sorting. If I  use  
>> a few lines of text, then these get sorted, but I was under the  
>> impression that if the line "sort items of holder" (holder as a  
>> variable) is used, then the words in a container would be sorted.  
>> But it is not.
>>
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 04:41:18 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:41:18 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45EDB9A4.5060307@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>	<E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>	<DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>	<D2C9CE21-DF26-49CE-B03E-40344D299473@azurevision.co.uk>	<51024FB3-37BE-45AB-96B3-F818D0023F3E@looktowindward.com>	<0119AA03-F3AD-4945-B37E-C56C4DA624BD@mac.com>
	<A4001369-8E1B-4CB1-9161-1E6F98EA29B0@looktowindward.com>
	<45EDB9A4.5060307@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <6538C606-1C33-4B47-8F25-6C5DCA59FDCB@looktowindward.com>


On 6 Mar 2007, at 18:57, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> Oh, and BEWARE!!!
>> If you have two files:
>> /FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx
>> /FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileY.xxx
>> rename /FolderA/FolderB/FolderC/FileX.xxx to /FolderA/FolderB/ 
>> FolderC/FileY.xxx
>> You will end up with one file called FileY.xxx! IOW, if the file  
>> exists in the destination path it will quite happily OVERWRITE it!
>
> Brace yourself, because the "url" syntax will do the same thing:
>
>   put myData into url ("file:"&tURL)
>
> If the file already exists, it is overwritten. Hopefully this will  
> save you some frustration.

Thanks, that was my main intention when I posted. However this is  
nearly as bad since this command is not pretending to be a "rename"  
command. At least here it would reasonable to consider that the file  
might be overwritten.

All the Best
Dave




From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 04:51:53 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:51:53 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45EDB99F.8070908@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EDB99F.8070908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5615684A-6ECD-4707-A615-3D83E9501BA7@looktowindward.com>


On 6 Mar 2007, at 18:57, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> Do you really think it's worth reporting it?
>
> You've already reported it here.  Might as well report it where it  
> can make a difference.

Well, I will if and when I can log on.


>
>> I mean nothing else ever seems to get fixed
>
> Ever read the change logs included with each version?

Yes, usually, however I have been using 2.6.6.152 mostly because of  
all the problems with 2.7.x. I started using 2.8.x recently and I  
took a quick look, unfortunately the very first I tried from the  
"fixed" list was still broken - well broken in a different way:

Bug 4066: Dictionary entry for ">=". The cross platform warning in  
this document was formatted incorrectly and failed to display a Mac  
OS X only synonym for the operator.

if you select ">=" from the dictionary it now displays nothing,  
although ">" and others are ok!

The second one I looked at was the Copy/Paste stuff, this doesn't  
work very well (if at all) either!

I just gave up after that, since I was really busy!

All the Best
Dave




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Mar  7 04:55:29 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:55:29 +0100
Subject: 2 standalone build-related questions (OS X)
In-Reply-To: <BAY107-F13AF3826D843E917770021F37A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY107-F13AF3826D843E917770021F37A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <9C6E5CA8-63D0-45DA-8F52-E45E2DBC42E9@economy-x-talk.com>

Mike,

In the developers section of the Economy-x-Talk homepage, you will  
find a dragging hand cursor as it was called and nice set of cursors  
by Steve Goldberg.

Best regards,

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 7-mrt-2007, om 2:07 heeft Mike Hughes het volgende geschreven:

> Thanks -- you guys have been a great help. Richard, yes in xCode  
> you can choose not to include a "Preferences" item so you are  
> correct in your assertion that this is a Rev engine issue.
>
> Have any of you perhaps developed a nice "hand" cursor thats a full  
> hand and not just one pointer finger as in the Rev default cursor?  
> I drew what I think is a nice black and white one but can't seem to  
> get Revolution to render it correctly.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 04:59:25 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:59:25 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45EDC2B1.5060704@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<45EDC2B1.5060704@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <532EA043-C3F5-414A-9376-18DE502CF6B2@looktowindward.com>


On 6 Mar 2007, at 19:36, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
>> Do you really think it's worth reporting it?
>
> It depends on whether you want to vent (in which case, posting to  
> the list is okay) or get it fixed (in which case, only a Bugzilla  
> report will do.) The engineers don't read the list to find bugs.  
> They only look for bugs in Bugzilla. If your report isn't in there,  
> they won't know about it.
>
>> I mean nothing else ever seems to get fixed, so really what's the  
>> point.
>
> A quick scan shows 2583 bugs fixed or resolved. That seems like  
> more than "nothing". The most recent release, version 2.8, fixed  
> over 50 IDE bugs and several engine bugs.

It's probably just (un) luck but the ones I quickly from that list  
were still broken or broken in different ways!

> Note that 2.8 is an interim release, primarily intended to help  
> developers build for their customers who use Vista. The next  
> release is intended as a huge bug fix release, and getting your  
> report into Bugzilla now will give it a better chance of inclusion  
> when the big bug-bust happens.
>
>> I know about it now and have protected myself by making "Move" and  
>> "Rename" functions that do all the checking the base command  
>> should do.


>
> You should probably mark your report as a documentation bug, as the  
> functionality most likely won't change. It's been in use for many  
> years, and is well established usage in lots of stacks.

IMO, it should be deprecated in favour of:

revRenameFile
revRenameFolder
revMoveFile
revMoveFolder

as well as any other file system functions that do not have a "rev"  
counterpart. e.g. for some commands you have a "rev" function and  
others you . They should be made into "rev" functions and made to  
work consistently.

All the Best
Dave



From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar  7 05:12:08 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:12:08 +0100
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <6538C606-1C33-4B47-8F25-6C5DCA59FDCB@looktowindward.com>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>	<E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>	<DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>	<D2C9CE21-DF26-49CE-B03E-40344D299473@azurevision.co.uk>	<51024FB3-37BE-45AB-96B3-F818D0023F3E@looktowindward.com>	<0119AA03-F3AD-4945-B37E-C56C4DA624BD@mac.com>
	<A4001369-8E1B-4CB1-9161-1E6F98EA29B0@looktowindward.com>
	<45EDB9A4.5060307@hyperactivesw.com>
	<6538C606-1C33-4B47-8F25-6C5DCA59FDCB@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <EB9148B1-8D96-4718-976C-CD1D25C7E58E@maseurope.net>

Well, not to belabour the point (much), but since it's quite clear  
from the docs that the rename command can move a file to a new  
location, it seems pretty reasonable to expect that a developer would  
consider checking for the existence of a similarly named file in the  
target location and deciding what to do about it before going ahead...

Best,

Mark

On 7 Mar 2007, at 10:41, Dave wrote:

> Thanks, that was my main intention when I posted. However this is  
> nearly as bad since this command is not pretending to be a "rename"  
> command. At least here it would reasonable to consider that the  
> file might be overwritten.



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 05:36:26 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:36:26 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <EB9148B1-8D96-4718-976C-CD1D25C7E58E@maseurope.net>
References: <20070301143107996737.12842537@sonsothunder.com>	<45E74236.000009.03728@MAZYTIS>	<BE2C2B9B-EEA6-4479-8E47-C0BA79BE7041@gmail.com>	<E9957825-7DB4-4B63-86C0-D07A969938C5@Cox.Net>	<5B4074AF-E1FD-492E-921A-39022C103F88@together.net>	<0547A844-7691-4AA0-B650-75669D8D234B@together.net>	<163A6209-B66A-49C7-9D38-8257FEC269BC@looktowindward.com>	<BE5546D9-1453-4BA3-A356-66CBF16659C6@widged.com>	<9B1B575D-75D6-469F-B831-F839B322F716@looktowindward.com>	<06E4AB3E-0A6E-4BA3-A544-CA913291CFD0@major-k.de>	<3D86057D-6F03-4FD8-AFDD-B179DA245971@looktowindward.com>	<E02497C3-79C8-4AC5-A4EC-BDB9E1CD5E6C@major-k.de>	<DCB4C0CC-32DC-45A5-86D3-44A57D469270@looktowindward.com>	<D2C9CE21-DF26-49CE-B03E-40344D299473@azurevision.co.uk>	<51024FB3-37BE-45AB-96B3-F818D0023F3E@looktowindward.com>	<0119AA03-F3AD-4945-B37E-C56C4DA624BD@mac.com>
	<A4001369-8E1B-4CB1-9161-1E6F98EA29B0@looktowindward.com>
	<45EDB9A4.5060307@hyperactivesw.com>
	<6538C606-1C33-4B47-8F25-6C5DCA59FDCB@looktowindward.com> 
	<EB9148B1-8D96-4718-976C-CD1D25C7E58E@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <C798F2B0-5DE7-460D-A870-B87D31C84CDD@looktowindward.com>


On 7 Mar 2007, at 10:12, Mark Smith wrote:

> Well, not to belabour the point (much), but since it's quite clear  
> from the docs that the rename command can move a file to a new  
> location, it seems pretty reasonable to expect that a developer  
> would consider checking for the existence of a similarly named file  
> in the target location and deciding what to do about it before  
> going ahead...

Yes, sort of, but when you consider this comment:

  Caution!  This command can be used to rename or move files and  
folders your stack did not create. Of course, a stack should not  
rename or move files and folders it didn't create without obtaining  
explicit confirmation from the user.

One would think that if they have gone to all the trouble of pointing  
this out, there would also be a warning about files being deleted!  
Especially when you also consider that under the "delete" command, it  
reads:

  Caution!  This command cannot be undone, so be very certain before  
you use it. The delete file command removes the file completely from  
the user's system. It does not place the file in the Trash or Recycle  
Bin.

And this is on the "delete" command where is is *obvious* that a file  
*could* be deleted as apposed to being moved to the trash.

All the Best
Dave






From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Wed Mar  7 05:35:09 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:35:09 +0000
Subject: Anyone got experience with the XMLRPC libraries?
Message-ID: <814CFC91-4470-4781-926A-E6615FC5165E@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

David, I've only done some simple tests, but I can get basic  
authentication working like this:

> put revxmlrpc_createrequest() into myrequest
>
>
> revxmlrpc_sethost myrequest,"myUsername:myPassword at localhost"
> revxmlrpc_setport myrequest,"8080"
> revxmlrpc_setpath myrequest,"/"
>
> revxmlrpc_setmethod myrequest,"undo_log"
> put revxmlrpc_execute(myrequest) into myresponse
> if myresponse is a number then
>     answer revxmlrpc_getparam(myresponse,1,"string")
>     revxmlrpc_free myresponse
> else answer myresponse
> revxmlrpc_free myrequest

When you say it is not working, what kind of response are you getting?

Bernard



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 06:18:15 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:18:15 +0000
Subject: This should be simple!!!
In-Reply-To: <C21304AF.43A80%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C21304AF.43A80%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A67B7814-4030-4EE7-A341-4D135799FCB3@looktowindward.com>

If all this still hasn't fixed your problem, then try using a Custom  
Property instead. They are less tricky to set up then Globals.

Access it like this:

set the cpSaveInputPath of this stack to true

if  the cpSaveInputPath of this stack = true then

You may want to reset it in the preOpenStack handler, like so:

on preOpenStack
set the cpSaveInputPath of this stack to false
end preOpenStackl

You can then check it by looking in the Custom Properties panel of  
the Property Inspector.

All the Best
Dave

On 6 Mar 2007, at 19:44, Jim Ault wrote:

> Try these variations to see if your variable contains
> --spaces, tabs, cr, or even multiple lines that are not visible in the
> variable watcher unless you click.  You might be assuming that  
> there are
> only 4 chars in gSaveInputPath
>
> -------------------------------
> answer " length(gSaveInputPath) = " &  length(gSaveInputPath)
> if gSaveInputPath = "true" then answer "test is indeed TRUE"
>
> if word 1 of gSaveInputPath is "true" then
>
> if gSaveInputPath contains "true" then
> if not(gSaveInputPath contains "false") then
>
> replace "true" with empty in gSaveInputPath
> answer " length(gSaveInputPath) = " &  length(gSaveInputPath)
>
> Different tests for different conditions
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> On 3/6/07 7:23 AM, "Len Morgan" <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
>
>> In my now 3 year long quest to write just ONE useable Rev program,  
>> I was
>> close but ran into something that I just can't figure out.  I have a
>> checkbutton on a configuration stack (separate from the main  
>> stack) and
>> a global variable that I set the hilite of the button to (mostly so I
>> don't need long convoluted descriptions to get to the state from the
>> main stack).
>>
>> When it comes time to check the button state, I "put" the global
>> variable and it says it's true.  The very next line is:
>>
>> if gSaveInputPath then
>>     -- save the path to the file just used for next time
>> end if
>>
>> This FAILS every time (I added an else clause to display "not saving
>> path" just to make sure I was actually getting to the code).  I  
>> also tried
>>
>> if gSaveInputPath is true then....   and that fails too.  If I  
>> check my
>> global variables, it is in fact showing "true" so I can't figure out
>> what's (not) going on.
>>
>> Len
>>
>> PS: Thanks to Jim Ault for you response on the field question.   
>> You were
>> right that I'm not using groups on various cards/stacks to display  
>> the
>> same information in different places.  I'll give your suggestions  
>> a shot
>> as soon as I get this (hopefully simpler) problem resolved.
>>
>>
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From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar  7 06:32:11 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:32:11 +0000
Subject: Sorting text
In-Reply-To: <3d8823b13fe5a6d2e1f8b02b3b2b358d@ozemail.com.au>
References: <200309212215.SAA18765@www.runrev.com>
	<3d8823b13fe5a6d2e1f8b02b3b2b358d@ozemail.com.au>
Message-ID: <076D6FF4-E579-43E7-AE34-4E9F824D0929@widged.com>

Hi Greg,

> 1. Does anyone have a similar program

If you download SoSmartSoftware excellent revonline picker:
<http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution&l=en>
You can look for "user movable fields" or look for "Troutfoot" on  
revonline.

> My plan was to shuffle a sentence and get him to click on words to  
> paste the word into another text box in the correct order.

Feel free to contact me on list or privately if you need any help on  
this (send me a copy if you post on list as I don't always have the  
time to check out each post on the list).

That's an exercise I need to add to my exercist collection:
<http://projects.widged.com/exercist/drupal/?q=node/610>

To get a better idea of what you are after, in the collection at:   
<http://projects.widged.com/exercist/gallery/>
What is the closest to what you have in mind:  (1) Unscrambel (2)  
Unscramble the sentence  (3) Sentence Reconstruction (4) Mixed-up  
Sentence (5) Fridge Magnets... or something different?


> 2. Sorting. I am using the "sort" command to sort the words in a  
> container from the text field, but they are not sorting. If I  use  
> a few lines of text, then these get sorted, but I was under the  
> impression that if the line "sort items of holder" (holder as a  
> variable) is used, then the words in a container would be sorted.  
> But it is not.

<code>
on mouseup
   put the text of field 1 into tText
   put replacetext(tText, "[^\w\s]", "") into tText
   put replacetext(tText, "\b\d+\b", "") into tText
   put replacetext(tText, "\s+", " ") into tText
   set the itemdel to " "
   sort items of tText by word 1 of each
   put tText
   put cr & "---" & cr & deleteDuplicates(tText, true) after message
   put cr & "---" & cr & deleteDuplicates(tText, false) after message
end mouseup

function deleteDuplicates pText, pCaseSensitive
   if pText is empty then return empty
   ----
   if pCaseSensitive is true then
     set the casesensitive to true
   else
     -- set the casesensitive to false
     put tolower(pText) into pText
   end if
   ----
   set the itemdel to " "
   repeat with x = the number of items in pText down to 2
       if item x of pText = item (x-1) of pText then delete item x of  
pText
   end repeat
   return pText
end deleteDuplicates

</code>

The first replacetext will get rid of stuff like "?.:," (\w = word  
character, \s = spacing character; [^xy] = any character but x or y).  
You may want it or not, up to you to see. The second one will get rid  
of any number or sequence of digits on their own (\b = word boundary,  
\d = digit). The third one will replace any sequence of spaces, tabs  
or any other spacing characters with a single space.

You may have or not some use of the second function, to delete  
duplicates within the sorted text (useful to avoid mutiple instances  
of "the", "in", etc.)

Best,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education




From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar  7 06:44:26 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:44:26 +0000
Subject: Simulated mouse messages
In-Reply-To: <850D2806-031C-4200-8C9B-2E02A2228A20@gmail.com>
References: <850D2806-031C-4200-8C9B-2E02A2228A20@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E4DA7A72-DC74-4FE9-91BE-3E995D473019@widged.com>

Hi Brent,

> I'm working on simulating mouse messages and am hung up on how to  
> simulate mouseDown, mouseStillDown, and mouseUp messages from  
> script (specifically, network messages). Any thoughts?

Send is the obvious solution. Another one is "call". Another one is  
"click".

Send:  "All object references in the message are evaluated *relative  
to the target object*, not to the object whose script issued the send  
command. "
Call: "handler you call are treated *relative to the object whose  
script issued the call command*, not relative to the object you specify.
Click: "Use the click command to simulate the action of a click,  
instead of sending a mouseDown or mouseUp message--for example, to  
create a graphic or image with a handler."

A better way, however, is to write your script to work independent of  
the specific controls on the interface

on mouseup
	doWhateverNeedsToBeDoneOnMouseup
end mouseup

on doWhateverNeedsToBeDoneOnMouseup
  	... processing ...
end doWhateverNeedsToBeDoneOnMouseup

and call "doWhateverNeedsToBeDoneOnMouseup" rather than "mouseup"

Best,
Marielle
------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education







From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 06:54:34 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:54:34 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
Message-ID: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk>

 From the RunRev front page:

'Revolution 2.9 Open Community Beta Test Program - Runtime Revolution is 
pleased to embark on a new community beta test program starting with 
Revolution 2.9. For more information read our newsletter article 
(http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/issue13/newsletter1.php) or 
sign up today!'

The newsletter article refers to 2.7.5...

Left hand: 'Hey, right hand, where are ya?!'
Right hand: '...'

Cheers,

Luis.


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Wed Mar  7 06:57:36 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:57:36 -0400
Subject: RRRREEEEPPPPIIIITTTTIIIIOOOONNNN
In-Reply-To: <30B98CB7-5FF3-44B3-B919-DC60127EB86B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C21420F0.2F37E%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

I stopped using the digest for that reason years ago and completely forgot
why I ever used it. It's so much better to have the emails all go to one
category, archive the ones you don't want to refer to later and be able to
search on the ones you found interesting at any time. Gmail also nests
everything by thread which is useful too.

> 
> If he's anything like me, he reads the Digest and is fed up with the
> amount of scrolling he has to do, even on an ordinary computer
> screen. Me too.
> 




From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar  7 07:03:08 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:03:08 +0000
Subject: Sorting text -- frequency count addition
In-Reply-To: <1D7C1341-8EC6-416D-B5B5-E85C4DCD6ED9@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <200309212215.SAA18765@www.runrev.com>
	<3d8823b13fe5a6d2e1f8b02b3b2b358d@ozemail.com.au>
	<96BEE605-A621-4893-914A-D8FD37326297@maseurope.net>
	<1D7C1341-8EC6-416D-B5B5-E85C4DCD6ED9@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <7CDE1018-F4F0-4411-884D-CDA6D0151618@widged.com>

> Hi there,
> As an addition to this does the sorting machinery allow frequency  
> counts for words in a text field?

<code>
on mouseup
   put the text of field 1 into tText
   put replacetext(tText, "[^\w\s]", "") into tText
   put replacetext(tText, "\b\d+\b", "") into tText
   put replacetext(tText, "\s+", " ") into tText
   set the itemdel to " "
   sort items of tText by word 1 of each
   put tText
   put frequencyCount(tText, true) into message
end mouseup

function frequencyCount pText, pCaseSensitive
   if pText is empty then return empty
   --------
   if pCaseSensitive is true then
     put tolower(pText) into pText
    end if
    --------
   set the itemdel to " "
   repeat with x = 1 to the number of items in pText
     put item x of pText into tWord
     if tWord is empty then next repeat
     if aWordFreq[tWord] is empty then
       put 1 into aWordFreq[tWord]
     else
       put aWordFreq[tWord] + 1 into aWordFreq[tWord]
        end if
     end repeat
     put the keys of aWordFreq into tKeys
     put empty into tList
     repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
       put tKey && "(" & aWordFreq[tKey] & ")" & cr after tList
     end repeat
     sort lines of tList by item 1 of each
    -- replace cr with "  " in tList
     return tList
   end frequencyCount
</code>

Both the sorting and the frequency count functions were typed in 2  
minutes, you may have to tweak them a little to ensure a correct  
behavior.

Best,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education







From kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com  Wed Mar  7 07:05:13 2007
From: kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com (Kirill Pekarov)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:05:13 +0200
Subject: Build external on Linux
In-Reply-To: <2e0cf4750703061545g6dc5a077m8873b87b86a8172a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1934907741.20070305185625@valentina-db.com>
	<2e0cf4750703050934u1de8ea1eobaee36ebf4e7a3d@mail.gmail.com>
	<1684699.20070306133118@valentina-db.com>
	<2e0cf4750703061545g6dc5a077m8873b87b86a8172a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <694291441.20070307140513@valentina-db.com>

Hi, chris.

You wrote 07.03.2007, 1:45:27:

> Something along the lines of:
> should do the trick.  Without this your external will compile..but when you

Thank you very much! Now it works.


-- 
Best regards,

Kirill Pekarov
Software Engineer Associate
Paradigma Software, Inc
Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database
http://www.valentina-db.com



From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar  7 07:12:42 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:12:42 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
In-Reply-To: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>

Hi Luis,

> From the RunRev front page:
>
> 'Revolution 2.9 Open Community Beta Test Program - Runtime  
> Revolution is pleased to embark on a new community beta test  
> program starting with Revolution 2.9. For more information read our  
> newsletter article (http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/november/ 
> issue13/newsletter1.php) or sign up today!'
>
> The newsletter article refers to 2.7.5...

I believe they did refer to that article because it provides basic  
information on beta testing. For instance:

> What You Can Do for Revolution
>
> Now is the time to make the next version of Revolution the best it  
> can be:
>
> * Please go here to request that we send you the pre-release  
> version of Revolution 2.7.5 today  [obviously, update with a more  
> recent version]
> * Visit http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase and become familiar  
> with BugZilla, the tracking mechanism we use for bug reports
> * Join us at http://forums.runrev.com to see the new discussion  
> boards we?ve set up exclusively for beta testers. This is the  
> official venue for all communication about the beta.
>
> If you?re not already a user of BugZilla or the forums, please  
> register so that you can participate. Bill will be posting new  
> information about the pre-release versions, testing tips, bug- 
> reporting tips, and special testing requests throughout the beta test.
>
> You depend on us for a great development platform, and we depend on  
> you for feedback on how we?re doing. Please log in to the forums  
> above and give us as much information about your system setup and  
> as much detail as you can about the bugs you find. We need to hear  
> from you! If you don?t report it we can?t fix it.
>
> Bill is bringing his enormous experience to bear to make Revolution  
> 2.7.5 the best it can be. Will you?
More information at:

Welcome to the Revolution 2.7.5 Open Community Beta: <http:// 
forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=390>

Testing Tools and Tips: <http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/ 
viewtopic.php?t=388>

How to Report Bugs: <http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php? 
t=389>


The information published in the context of 2.7.5 are still relevant.

That the beta effort has survived 2.7.5 and has gone forward up to  
2.9 is rather an excellent news. This is in great part due to Bill's  
dedication (thanks Bill) and user taking these beta exercises seriously.

Best,
Marielle


From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar  7 07:20:54 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:20:54 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>

> I agree I wouldn't want a dialog box either, but it would be good  
> if it either just refused to delete the file silently, returned an  
> error code and/or threw an an exception that could be "caught".

if there is a file tTargetFile then
	throw "the file already exists" -- replace by a more appropriate  
error message
else
	rename file tSourceFile to tTargetFile
end if

I expect you to tell me: If this is that simple, why didn't they code  
it like this? Because sometimes you want the ability to overwrite the  
file without an error to be thrown. The responsibility to check for  
file existence is therefore left to the programmer so to give him  
more flexibility.

Sure, a warning in the docs of the like "if the file exists, it will  
be overwitten" could be added.

Marielle



From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar  7 07:29:26 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:29:26 +0000
Subject: 2 standalone build-related questions (OS X)
In-Reply-To: <9C6E5CA8-63D0-45DA-8F52-E45E2DBC42E9@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <BAY107-F13AF3826D843E917770021F37A0@phx.gbl>
	<9C6E5CA8-63D0-45DA-8F52-E45E2DBC42E9@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <AB09F903-E8D5-4B66-B349-59B7B40FECDE@widged.com>

Hi Mike,

>> Have any of you perhaps developed a nice "hand" cursor thats a  
>> full hand and not just one pointer finger as in the Rev default  
>> cursor?

You have nice collections of cursors at Gnome as well:
<http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=36>
Beware, however, that most of the time, the licenses don't allow you  
to use them in commercial software. Always check the terms carefully.

You have full hands in most collections.
For instance:
<http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=27913>
<http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31480>
<http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=28310>
<http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=52027>
<http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=32627>
<http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=38459>

Some of them come with a png version, others don't. On a mac, you can  
use graphicconverter to edit svg files.

Best,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education







From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 07:49:00 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:49:00 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
In-Reply-To: <87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk>
	<87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>
Message-ID: <45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

I would have expected an announcement on this list at least, but there 
isn't even mention of it in the Forums.

Marielle Lange wrote:

> I believe they did refer to that article because it provides basic 
> information on beta testing. For instance:

To a new comer this might be offputting.

>> Bill is bringing his enormous experience to bear to make Revolution 
>> 2.7.5 the best it can be. Will you?

If I'm kept informed, that would be a good start from THEM too.

Cheers,

Luis.



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 08:16:30 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:16:30 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
Message-ID: <A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

On 7 Mar 2007, at 12:20, Marielle Lange wrote:

>> I agree I wouldn't want a dialog box either, but it would be good  
>> if it either just refused to delete the file silently, returned an  
>> error code and/or threw an an exception that could be "caught".
>
> if there is a file tTargetFile then
> 	throw "the file already exists" -- replace by a more appropriate  
> error message
> else
> 	rename file tSourceFile to tTargetFile
> end if

Well that will work unless of course the target file just happens to  
be a Mac OS X bundle file. Then of course it won't work at all.

Also note that the "file" keyword above is incorrect. The "rename"  
command does not follow the same syntax as "delete file" and since  
rename works on folders too you'd have to use the a "folder" keyword  
for folders.
>
> I expect you to tell me: If this is that simple,

It's not that simple to do in RunRev, see above, it would much  
simpler and straight forward implemented inside RunRev.

> why didn't they code it like this?

God Knows! But I have a clue. See below!

> Because sometimes you want the ability to overwrite the file  
> without an error to be thrown.

Why would you want to do this when there is a delete file function?  
Also it's just as simple (or not so simple) to do this:

if there is a file tTargetFile then
    delete file iTargetFile
else
   rename tSourceFile to tTargetFile
end if

This way if you don't explicitly delete the file you will get an  
error. This is a much safer and better way of doing things.

> The responsibility to check for file existence is therefore left to  
> the programmer so to give him more flexibility.

I disagree. It doesn't give any more flexibility since there are  
other ways to do it that are far less dangerous. But I really don't  
think that "flexibility" had anything to do with how this command  
works. I think it was one or more of the following:

1.  They couldn't be bothered to do it properly.
2.  They didn't have enough time to do it properly
3.  They thought that the so called purity of Unix Commands should be  
brought into RunRev or whatever it was called then.
4.  It was easier to do it like this.
5.  They didn't realize it did overwrite the file.

> Sure, a warning in the docs of the like "if the file exists, it  
> will be overwitten" could be added.

I agree, at the very least this should be done.

Are you seriously telling us that you believe that the way that the  
"rename" works is a good way to implement a "rename" function in a  
high level programming environment aimed at novice programers?

All the Best
Dave



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 08:25:02 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:25:02 +0000
Subject: 2.8.0.350 Weirdness?
In-Reply-To: <45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk>
	<87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>
	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <79F372CC-D180-4FFF-BE77-8C842D21C198@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I'm running on a Mac Pro under Mac OS X 10.4.8 and using RunRev  
2.8.0.350, and something really weird just happened:

I left a stack I was working in Browse Mode while working in another  
App. When I had finished this I clicked in the stack I was working  
and the RunRev tool bar came to the front, but the main menu bar  
stayed in the app I had been working in earlier. In this case XCode.  
I clicked back and forth between RunRev and XCode and XCode stayed in  
the menu bar. I eventually got back to RunRev by selecting it from  
the Dock. I've tried to reproduce it with no luck so far.

Wondered if anyone else had seem this? I'm not sure if it's a Mac OS  
X, XCode or RunRev problem.

All the Best
Dave



From wjm at wjm.org  Wed Mar  7 08:33:32 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:33:32 -0500
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk><87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>
	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <esmevd$heg$1@sea.gmane.org>

You are missing the email to beta testers and newsletter to everyone else 
which discussed the renaming of 2.7.5 to 2.9:

http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/february/issue20/newsletter1.php


"Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:45EEB4BC.7040009 at anachreon.co.uk...
> Hiya,
>
> I would have expected an announcement on this list at least, but there 
> isn't even mention of it in the Forums.
>
> Marielle Lange wrote:
>
>> I believe they did refer to that article because it provides basic 
>> information on beta testing. For instance:
>
> To a new comer this might be offputting.
>
>>> Bill is bringing his enormous experience to bear to make Revolution 
>>> 2.7.5 the best it can be. Will you?
>
> If I'm kept informed, that would be a good start from THEM too.





From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar  7 09:06:29 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:06:29 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>

Hi Dave,

> Are you seriously telling us that you believe that the way that the  
> "rename" works is a good way to implement a "rename" function in a  
> high level programming environment aimed at novice programers?

I don't disagree with the criticisms being made. I fully agree that  
more consistent naming conventions should be adopted. I also agree  
that if a function is introduced that bears the same name as a  
function very familiar to users, then the same behavior should be  
implemented to avoid confusions.

However, what I know from my own life experience is that if you give  
as feedback to a person (or company in this context) that they are  
completely incompetent... do it again and again... and you will be  
confirmed in your belief.

They have set up a quality center as well as a Beta exercise that  
directly involves any user who wish to participate. Bill is putting a  
lot of his time and effort into this. What I heard from Revolution  
(Marcus, who I met at the last user group in Edinburgh) is that his  
work is highly valued and put to good use to try and kill bugs one by  
one.

Something that has been said from time to time is that an important  
problem they have is that the code as it is written for now hasn't  
been written in a way that allow for easy tracking and bashing of the  
bugs. Because of this, they have to go through important rewrite and  
reorganisation of the code, at engine level (well, you will have to  
ask somebody more knowledgeable than me for details). They have been  
working on this, in parallel to these partial bug fixes and XP  
release. Only a part of their team works on bug fixes while the other  
part of the team works on 2.9.

Many criticisms you made are valid. However, as far as I can tell,  
they are doing the right thing.

As I have evidence that they are doing the right thing and that the  
reports filled in the quality center are processed and acted upon, it  
wouldn't be the best use of my time to clarify on this list what I  
think of that rename function or the absence of warning in the doc on  
this list.  If you enter a report in the quality center and provide  
the link to it on this list, I will take the time to comment it... on  
the quality center. You may  have the happy surprise to discover that  
most users on this list in fact approve of the content of many of  
your comments.

Marielle





From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Mar  7 09:14:09 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:14:09 +0100
Subject: 2.8.0.350 Weirdness?
In-Reply-To: <79F372CC-D180-4FFF-BE77-8C842D21C198@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk>
	<87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>
	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk>
	<79F372CC-D180-4FFF-BE77-8C842D21C198@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <B5EC80D2-3801-4C48-85E3-148E8AD7369E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Dave,

I see this quite often, particularly with applications that may  
become unresponsive for a few seconds.

Best regards,

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 7-mrt-2007, om 14:25 heeft Dave het volgende geschreven:

> Hi All,
>
> I'm running on a Mac Pro under Mac OS X 10.4.8 and using RunRev  
> 2.8.0.350, and something really weird just happened:
>
> I left a stack I was working in Browse Mode while working in  
> another App. When I had finished this I clicked in the stack I was  
> working and the RunRev tool bar came to the front, but the main  
> menu bar stayed in the app I had been working in earlier. In this  
> case XCode. I clicked back and forth between RunRev and XCode and  
> XCode stayed in the menu bar. I eventually got back to RunRev by  
> selecting it from the Dock. I've tried to reproduce it with no luck  
> so far.
>
> Wondered if anyone else had seem this? I'm not sure if it's a Mac  
> OS X, XCode or RunRev problem.
>
> All the Best
> Dave




From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 09:18:05 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:18:05 +0000
Subject: 2.8.0.350 Weirdness?
In-Reply-To: <B5EC80D2-3801-4C48-85E3-148E8AD7369E@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk>
	<87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>
	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk>
	<79F372CC-D180-4FFF-BE77-8C842D21C198@looktowindward.com>
	<B5EC80D2-3801-4C48-85E3-148E8AD7369E@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <A0357F3C-1BC3-4833-A116-3AB62AFBB0A9@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Yes, that's it. My RunRev apps processes a movie file for several  
minutes before finishing.

Is this a problem do you think? I'm really not sure what is causing  
it and it will be hard to track down I would imagine.

All the Best
Dave

On 7 Mar 2007, at 14:14, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> I see this quite often, particularly with applications that may  
> become unresponsive for a few seconds.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk
> Consultancy and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store  
> software. Download at http://www.salery.biz
>
> Op 7-mrt-2007, om 14:25 heeft Dave het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I'm running on a Mac Pro under Mac OS X 10.4.8 and using RunRev  
>> 2.8.0.350, and something really weird just happened:
>>
>> I left a stack I was working in Browse Mode while working in  
>> another App. When I had finished this I clicked in the stack I was  
>> working and the RunRev tool bar came to the front, but the main  
>> menu bar stayed in the app I had been working in earlier. In this  
>> case XCode. I clicked back and forth between RunRev and XCode and  
>> XCode stayed in the menu bar. I eventually got back to RunRev by  
>> selecting it from the Dock. I've tried to reproduce it with no  
>> luck so far.
>>
>> Wondered if anyone else had seem this? I'm not sure if it's a Mac  
>> OS X, XCode or RunRev problem.
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>
>
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Wed Mar  7 09:20:11 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 06:20:11 -0800
Subject: Piracy
In-Reply-To: <D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
Message-ID: <7CD2FA15-0F92-4E31-8B0E-3E713436BEF4@Cox.Net>

Hi all,

Back at the beginning of the new millennium I wrote an article  
entitled "Blue Beard and Captain Kidd" for the original  
Macinstruct.com. Following a similar theme with an article this past  
week on the  Runtime Revolution Newsletter, I was prompted to reprint  
my earlier effort. It should be recommended reading to all who write  
and use software on any platform.

<http://www.macinstruct.com/node/67>

Enjoy,

Joe Wilkins 

From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed Mar  7 09:38:12 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:38:12 -0600
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
In-Reply-To: <esmevd$heg$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk><87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widg
	ed.com>	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk> <esmevd$heg$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p0624080fc2147ea6d648@[192.168.1.101]>

Bill, I'm already signed up for the earlier beta...do I have to re-sign up?


sqb
-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed Mar  7 09:43:17 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:43:17 -0600
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <p06240810c2147f57ffaf@[192.168.1.101]>

Dave, please let it go. It is not gonna change. You are the only guy 
in the Rev universe I hear complaining.

And watch out who you call NOVICE. I have a big problem with the last 
sentence and its implications.


>
>Are you seriously telling us that you believe that the way that the 
>"rename" works is a good way to implement a "rename" function in a 
>high level programming environment aimed at novice programers?
>
>All the Best
>Dave

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 09:57:01 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:57:01 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <p06240810c2147f57ffaf@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240810c2147f57ffaf@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <58105EAD-34CB-419E-9259-47C06E285D30@looktowindward.com>


On 7 Mar 2007, at 14:43, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Dave, please let it go. It is not gonna change. You are the only  
> guy in the Rev universe I hear complaining.

I wasn't complaining.
>
> And watch out who you call NOVICE. I have a big problem with the  
> last sentence and its implications.

What do you think I'm implying?

>> Are you seriously telling us that you believe that the way that  
>> the "rename" works is a good way to implement a "rename" function  
>> in a high level programming environment aimed at novice programers?
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 09:58:13 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 14:58:13 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
Message-ID: <FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>


On 7 Mar 2007, at 14:06, Marielle Lange wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
>> Are you seriously telling us that you believe that the way that  
>> the "rename" works is a good way to implement a "rename" function  
>> in a high level programming environment aimed at novice programers?
>
> I don't disagree with the criticisms being made. I fully agree that  
> more consistent naming conventions should be adopted. I also agree  
> that if a function is introduced that bears the same name as a  
> function very familiar to users, then the same behavior should be  
> implemented to avoid confusions.

Good then we are in agreement, however your post did not say that.

> However, what I know from my own life experience is that if you  
> give as feedback to a person (or company in this context) that they  
> are completely incompetent... do it again and again... and you will  
> be confirmed in your belief.

I have never said they are completely incompetent, nor I do I believe  
they are completely incompetent. I have never even mentioned the word  
on this list before yesterday and I only mentioned it then and I only  
mention it now because it was used in reply to one of my posts.

If people think that I am implying or stating outright that RunRev is  
incompetent then they are mistaken. All I did was to state what I had  
found and make suggestions on how it should be improved.

> They have set up a quality center as well as a Beta exercise that  
> directly involves any user who wish to participate. Bill is putting  
> a lot of his time and effort into this. What I heard from  
> Revolution (Marcus, who I met at the last user group in Edinburgh)  
> is that his work is highly valued and put to good use to try and  
> kill bugs one by one.

That's great. But why do you feel the need to tell me this? I just  
commented on what I saw as a nasty flaw in the system. I really can't  
understand why people get so upset when I (or others) point out  
things that are wrong with RunRev. It's just a piece of code! If it  
didn't exist then the Sun would keep on shining and the the Moon  
wouldn't fall out of orbit! Why defend something that is obviously  
flawed? When I made this suggestion, you posted:

>> I expect you to tell me: If this is that simple, why didn't they  
>> code it like this? Because sometimes you want the ability to  
>> overwrite the file without an error to be thrown. The  
>> responsibility to check for file existence is therefore left to  
>> the programmer so to give him more flexibility.

Which is obviously dismissing the problem and making it sound like I  
am wasting my time by posting my suggestions and warnings on the  
list. Then when I explain more fully, I am accused of calling them  
"completely incompetent"!

> Something that has been said from time to time is that an important  
> problem they have is that the code as it is written for now hasn't  
> been written in a way that allow for easy tracking and bashing of  
> the bugs. Because of this, they have to go through important  
> rewrite and reorganisation of the code, at engine level (well, you  
> will have to ask somebody more knowledgeable than me for details).  
> They have been working on this, in parallel to these partial bug  
> fixes and XP release. Only a part of their team works on bug fixes  
> while the other part of the team works on 2.9.
>
> Many criticisms you made are valid. However, as far as I can tell,  
> they are doing the right thing.

All I know is that it has been well over three years and still the  
old bugs are there while at the same time the level of support has  
dropped and the price has risen. There have been so many promises  
made, like I seem to remember that 2.7 was going to be the one true  
release, we are now on 2.8 and still the bugs are there. In short  
they have broken too many promises for me to trust them very much  
now. That is not to say that I think their product is all bad, in  
fact I think it's a very good product else I wouldn't use it and I  
certainly wouldn't waste my time posting to this list. I am willing  
to change my mind and as soon as they start delivering on their  
promises then I will become more positive. Do you really think I  
enjoy finding out that the "rename" command deletes files with not a  
word of warning in the docs? For one, I recommended the sale of the  
2.8 license I am using for the current project. If one of the people  
here starts to use RunRev, uses "rename" and deletes 300 GB worth of  
data, who do you think this will reflect on? Because of all the silly  
bugs and inconsistencies like this I have to spend a lot of extra  
time checking and rechecking critical functions (such as this one). I  
found that it deletes files and now I can warn anyone here that may  
need to "rename" files to use my utility function instead. I thought  
to post it on the list so anyone in a similar position could act now  
and perhaps save face or a file or two!!!

I don't know if they are doing the right thing or not, I hope they  
are, but from first hand experience I am not counting on it.

> As I have evidence that they are doing the right thing and that the  
> reports filled in the quality center are processed and acted upon,  
> it wouldn't be the best use of my time to clarify on this list what  
> I think of that rename function

But you did in your last post.

> or the absence of warning in the doc on this list.  If you enter a  
> report in the quality center and provide the link to it on this  
> list, I will take the time to comment it... on the quality center.  
> You may  have the happy surprise to discover that most users on  
> this list in fact approve of the content of many of your comments.

I think that RunRev is in general a good product. I also think that  
RunRev as a company is generally good at the development work and in  
coming up with new ideas. I also think RunRev as a company is  
terrible at:

1.  QA.
2.  Release control.
3.  Developer/Customer relations.
4.  Support.

You say that this is changing, well I hope you are right. I will  
believe it when I see it!

All the Best
Dave










From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Mar  7 10:02:00 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 07:02:00 -0800
Subject: Warnings: (was) Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <6745289673.20070307070200@ahsoftware.net>

Dave-

Wednesday, March 7, 2007, 1:27:26 AM, you wrote:

> Caution: Being near an H Bomb Explosion can cause slight discomfort!

I just bought a new French press coffee pot this weekend, and one of
the warnings inscribed on it is "children and hot liquids should be
kept apart"...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 10:02:26 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:02:26 +0000
Subject: Warnings: (was) Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <6745289673.20070307070200@ahsoftware.net>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<6745289673.20070307070200@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <216B7D2F-FE9D-4FFF-925D-94F53091B16D@looktowindward.com>


On 7 Mar 2007, at 15:02, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Dave-
>
> Wednesday, March 7, 2007, 1:27:26 AM, you wrote:
>
>> Caution: Being near an H Bomb Explosion can cause slight discomfort!
>
> I just bought a new French press coffee pot this weekend, and one of
> the warnings inscribed on it is "children and hot liquids should be
> kept apart"...

ROFL! That's why it's so hard to get them in the bath!!!

Cheers
Dave




From david at openpartnership.net  Wed Mar  7 10:11:22 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:11:22 +0100
Subject: Dates: ISO 8601
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703070711v170e63c2wc4094a6041d7df67@mail.gmail.com>

I need a handler to convert a Rev date into ISO 8601?

>From my library I have a rough and ready one to go the other way round:

on date_Convert8601 @revisionDate
    -- was "date_ConvertT"
    replace "T" with return in revisionDate
    put line 1 of revisionDate into someDate

    put line 2 of revisionDate into someTime
    put last char of someTime into timeZoneThing
    delete last char of someTime

    replace "-" with comma in someDate

    set the itemdelimiter to "."
    put item 1 of someTime into colonTime
    put item 2 of someTime into colonSeconds
    replace ":" with comma in colonTime

    set the itemdelimiter to comma
    put someDate into someDateItems
    put colonTime into item 4 of someDateItems

    put 0 into item 7 of someDateItems

    convert someDateItems to internet date
    delete word -1 of someDateItems
    convert someDateItems to internet date
    put someDateItems into revisionDate
end date_Convert8601

But seem to have lost the other side of the equation ")


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 10:13:14 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:13:14 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
In-Reply-To: <esmevd$heg$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk><87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk>
	<esmevd$heg$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <45EED68A.4070200@anachreon.co.uk>

Hmm... Even though I'm signed up to receive them...

Cheers,

Luis.


Bill Marriott wrote:
> You are missing the email to beta testers and newsletter to everyone else 
> which discussed the renaming of 2.7.5 to 2.9:
> 
> http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/february/issue20/newsletter1.php
> 
> 
> "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:45EEB4BC.7040009 at anachreon.co.uk...
>> Hiya,
>>
>> I would have expected an announcement on this list at least, but there 
>> isn't even mention of it in the Forums.
>>
>> Marielle Lange wrote:
>>
>>> I believe they did refer to that article because it provides basic 
>>> information on beta testing. For instance:
>> To a new comer this might be offputting.
>>
>>>> Bill is bringing his enormous experience to bear to make Revolution 
>>>> 2.7.5 the best it can be. Will you?
>> If I'm kept informed, that would be a good start from THEM too.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 


From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar  7 10:16:26 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:16:26 +0100
Subject: Dates: ISO 8601
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0703070711v170e63c2wc4094a6041d7df67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0703070711v170e63c2wc4094a6041d7df67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B21090C-BACF-4140-85CB-2DCAA29E6D81@major-k.de>

Hi David,

> I need a handler to convert a Rev date into ISO 8601?
>
>> From my library I have a rough and ready one to go the other way  
>> round:
>
> on date_Convert8601 @revisionDate
>    -- was "date_ConvertT"
>    replace "T" with return in revisionDate
>    put line 1 of revisionDate into someDate
>
>    put line 2 of revisionDate into someTime
>    put last char of someTime into timeZoneThing
>    delete last char of someTime
>
>    replace "-" with comma in someDate
>
>    set the itemdelimiter to "."
>    put item 1 of someTime into colonTime
>    put item 2 of someTime into colonSeconds
>    replace ":" with comma in colonTime
>
>    set the itemdelimiter to comma
>    put someDate into someDateItems
>    put colonTime into item 4 of someDateItems
>
>    put 0 into item 7 of someDateItems
>
>    convert someDateItems to internet date
>    delete word -1 of someDateItems
>    convert someDateItems to internet date
>    put someDateItems into revisionDate
> end date_Convert8601
>
> But seem to have lost the other side of the equation ")

a little example on how a date should look according to ISO 8601  
MIGHT help
us to help you faster  ;-)


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From wjm at wjm.org  Wed Mar  7 10:20:47 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:20:47 -0500
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk><87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk><esmevd$heg$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<45EED68A.4070200@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <esml8i$9i5$1@sea.gmane.org>

No, no re-signup is necessary.

"Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:45EED68A.4070200 at anachreon.co.uk...
> Hmm... Even though I'm signed up to receive them...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>
>
> Bill Marriott wrote:
>> You are missing the email to beta testers and newsletter to everyone else 
>> which discussed the renaming of 2.7.5 to 2.9:





From kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com  Wed Mar  7 10:24:00 2007
From: kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com (Kirill Pekarov)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:24:00 +0200
Subject: Revolution, Linux and Valentina
Message-ID: <958078649.20070307172400@valentina-db.com>

Hi, All.

We almost done creating externals for Revolution under Linux.

I must say special thank to Chris Bohnert<chris at altuit.com> and
Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> for the help.

But, what next do with it?

Current Revolution 2.7.4 can't build a binaries for the Linux platform
from Mac or Windows, or may be I'm wrong?

Under Linux current release is 2.6.1, that not compatible
with 2.7 by stack-file format.

The questions is next:
   Is in this list present developers that develop for all three
platforms(Mac, Linux, Windows)?

   And how you resolve version differences of Revolution?
Use 2.6 on all platforms and build application on Linux by move stack
file to it? Or just work in the Linux?

The next questions to the Revolution team:
    When you planed release 2.7( or already 2.8 ) under Linux?
    
    Is in the 2.8 will be possibility to build standalone for Linux
    from Mac or Win?


Thank!


-- 
Best regards, 

Kirill Pekarov
Software Engineer Associate
Paradigma Software, Inc
Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database
http://www.valentina-db.com



From wjm at wjm.org  Wed Mar  7 10:24:52 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:24:52 -0500
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk><87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk><esmevd$heg$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<45EED68A.4070200@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <esmlg4$ah2$1@sea.gmane.org>

Luis,

I've confirmed that you are on the distribution list and that you were sent 
the Feb 7 mail about the version renaming, entitled "Revolution Beta Test 
Update." The mails come from bill.marriott at runrev.com so please be sure this 
is on your "white list."

- Bill

"Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:45EED68A.4070200 at anachreon.co.uk...
> Hmm... Even though I'm signed up to receive them...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>
>
> Bill Marriott wrote:
>> You are missing the email to beta testers and newsletter to everyone else 
>> which discussed the renaming of 2.7.5 to 2.9:





From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar  7 10:41:13 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:41:13 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>

> Which is obviously dismissing the problem and making it sound like  
> I am wasting my time by posting my suggestions and warnings on the  
> list.

Right, that's exactly the message I tried to convey: You are wasting  
your time  ;-).

Indeed, it is good practice to check with the list that what others  
think of an issue. But once you get to the point where you are  
convinced that there is a problem that needs to be fixed, if you want  
your comments / criticisms / recommendations / suggestions /  
complaints to be heard and more importantly, to be acted upon, this  
is not the right place to voice them.

>>  it wouldn't be the best use of my time to clarify on this list  
>> what I think of that rename function
>
> But you did in your last post.

This was to reassure you that I didn't dismiss the content of your  
comments, which I don't. ;-).

To be honest, on bad days, at times where stress is peaking, I can  
get infuriated at stuff like the ones you pointed at. But I don't  
feel in the mood to infuriate myself today ;-).

As expressed in my previous email, if you take the time to report of  
the problem in the quality center <http://quality.runrev.com/>, I  
will take the time to support your report :-D

Marielle



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 10:52:50 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:52:50 +0000
Subject: Revolution, Linux and Valentina
In-Reply-To: <958078649.20070307172400@valentina-db.com>
References: <958078649.20070307172400@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <200703071552.50736.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Yes, good questions all!   It would be really nice to have some communication, 
if only of the form, its difficult, and we are thinking what to do about 
Linux.  

You don't have to have a Linux version.  It would be quite understandable not 
to. It doesn't have to be exactly in step either.  But if you are going to 
have one at all, you do have to let people know something about where you are 
going, even if where you are going is, puzzled and uncertain.

Peter


From wjm at wjm.org  Wed Mar  7 10:52:30 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:52:30 -0500
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk><87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk><esmevd$heg$1@sea.gmane.org><45EED68A.4070200@anachreon.co.uk>
	<esmlg4$ah2$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <esmn3v$h5n$1@sea.gmane.org>

That's "bill.marriott(at)runrev.com" if the original post had it obfuscated.

"Bill Marriott" <wjm at wjm.org> wrote in message 
news:esmlg4$ah2$1 at sea.gmane.org...
> The mails come from bill.marriott at runrev.com 
> so please be sure this is on your "white list."





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar  7 10:54:09 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:54:09 -0800
Subject: Warnings: (was) Moving a File
Message-ID: <45EEE021.4040204@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> I just bought a new French press coffee pot this weekend, and one of
> the warnings inscribed on it is "children and hot liquids should be
> kept apart"...

My favorite warning is at the Grand Canyon, on a sign at the edge of the 
canyon above a 2000-foot drop. Next to an icon of a falling person is 
this text:

"Those who have died here have crossed this point."

Simple, informative, and makes no demands.  The user can choose to cross 
that point or live, as they prefer.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 10:53:53 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:53:53 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
In-Reply-To: <esmlg4$ah2$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk><87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk><esmevd$heg$1@sea.gmane.org>	<45EED68A.4070200@anachreon.co.uk>
	<esmlg4$ah2$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <45EEE011.4080900@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Not received in my Inbox.
I don't run a spam filter.
If the message has bounced (check YOUR Inbox) then the runrev.com Domain 
is on my ISP blacklist, which is highly doubtful as I am receiving the 
list emails.
Last email I received from runrev.com proper was from jo@ regarding the 
Edinburgh get together, received 23/2/07 15:59.

Cheers,

Luis.


Bill Marriott wrote:
> Luis,
> 
> I've confirmed that you are on the distribution list and that you were sent 
> the Feb 7 mail about the version renaming, entitled "Revolution Beta Test 
> Update." The mails come from bill.marriott at runrev.com so please be sure this 
> is on your "white list."
> 
> - Bill
> 
> "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:45EED68A.4070200 at anachreon.co.uk...
>> Hmm... Even though I'm signed up to receive them...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Luis.
>>
>>
>> Bill Marriott wrote:
>>> You are missing the email to beta testers and newsletter to everyone else 
>>> which discussed the renaming of 2.7.5 to 2.9:
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar  7 11:03:56 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:03:56 -0800
Subject: Moving a File
Message-ID: <45EEE26C.3000103@fourthworld.com>

FWIW, I think the rename command is just fine exactly as it is.  It lets 
you rename any part of a file's complete path name, which metaphorically 
may also change the "location" of the file (for whatever that really 
means in the bowels of a file system).  It's simple to use and quite robust.

And I also find it convenient that it will faithfully execute even when 
another file already exists at that location, since we have the "exists" 
function and "there is" operators to make a determination in cases where 
we may need to do something different.

That said, I agree that it should be considered an error of omission 
that the overwriting behavior is not included in the docs.

Which leads us to this central question:

Dave, what is the Bugzilla number for the request you filed for this 
suggestion?

That will let us vote for it, so it'll help those of us who agree with 
you to better support your desire for this change.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 11:05:48 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:05:48 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>
	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>
Message-ID: <573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>


On 7 Mar 2007, at 15:41, Marielle Lange wrote:

>> Which is obviously dismissing the problem and making it sound like  
>> I am wasting my time by posting my suggestions and warnings on the  
>> list.
>
> Right, that's exactly the message I tried to convey: You are  
> wasting your time  ;-).

But you didn't say that, you said it was that was because it was more  
flexible!

You may think so, but I don't! Whether I actually am or not may never  
be known. But if just one person reads this and avoids deleting a  
file by accident then it won't be a waste of time as far as I am  
concerned.
>
> Indeed, it is good practice to check with the list that what others  
> think of an issue. But once you get to the point where you are  
> convinced that there is a problem that needs to be fixed, if you  
> want your comments / criticisms / recommendations / suggestions /  
> complaints to be heard and more importantly, to be acted upon, this  
> is not the right place to voice them.

Well, we are obviously talking at cross purposes here. Read my  
initial post. I asked how to move a file. I was pointed at the  
"rename" command. After a lot of testing I found the command and the  
documentation were flawed, so I posted pointing out what I thought  
was wrong and how I think it should be fixed. I also pointed out that  
I can't log on to BZ at the moment since I am working away and can't  
long on.

Since then I've taken part in a number of discussions on the subject,  
some of which sought to justify the way it is implemented. I replied  
stating my case. If no one had replied or if the replies had been,  
yes, it's a really bad implementation then that would have been the  
end of it. But to seek to justify the way it is will just cause me to  
reply (well, not always, but in this case I decided I would).

>>>  it wouldn't be the best use of my time to clarify on this list  
>>> what I think of that rename function
>>
>> But you did in your last post.
>
> This was to reassure you that I didn't dismiss the content of your  
> comments, which I don't. ;-).

Look, I am not being rude, but you sought to say that the reason the  
rename command worked the way it does was to make it more flexible. I  
disagreed and pointed out why I thought this was not the case.

> To be honest, on bad days, at times where stress is peaking, I can  
> get infuriated at stuff like the ones you pointed at. But I don't  
> feel in the mood to infuriate myself today ;-).

Actually I am really not infuriated or feeling any bad feeling at  
all. I really just state the fact and try to keep the emotion down to  
zero. When I make a comment it's because that's the way it is as I  
see it, not because I am fed up or stressed out. I suppose I am  
exasperated sometimes! But it's more in fun than in anger! I rarely  
lose my temper or get upset over computer programs and I never take  
lists like this that seriously. Which is why I get so surprised when  
people accuse me of thinking others are incompetent!

> As expressed in my previous email, if you take the time to report  
> of the problem in the quality center <http://quality.runrev.com/>,  
> I will take the time to support your report :-D

Thanks, I will when I get home at the weekend unless I can get it to  
work from here.

All the Best
Dave




From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 11:06:33 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:06:33 +0000
Subject: Warnings: (was) Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45EEE021.4040204@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EEE021.4040204@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <45EEE309.1000201@anachreon.co.uk>

Is that point over the 'i'?

Cheers,

Luis.


Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Mark Wieder wrote:
>> I just bought a new French press coffee pot this weekend, and one of
>> the warnings inscribed on it is "children and hot liquids should be
>> kept apart"...
> 
> My favorite warning is at the Grand Canyon, on a sign at the edge of the 
> canyon above a 2000-foot drop. Next to an icon of a falling person is 
> this text:
> 
> "Those who have died here have crossed this point."
> 
> Simple, informative, and makes no demands.  The user can choose to cross 
> that point or live, as they prefer.
> 


From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 11:12:43 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:12:43 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45EEE26C.3000103@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EEE26C.3000103@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <170DD93F-935E-4001-9115-5FE7AA8D38D5@looktowindward.com>


On 7 Mar 2007, at 16:03, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> FWIW, I think the rename command is just fine exactly as it is.  It  
> lets you rename any part of a file's complete path name, which  
> metaphorically may also change the "location" of the file (for  
> whatever that really means in the bowels of a file system).  It's  
> simple to use and quite robust.
>
> And I also find it convenient that it will faithfully execute even  
> when another file already exists at that location, since we have  
> the "exists" function and "there is" operators to make a  
> determination in cases where we may need to do something different.
>
> That said, I agree that it should be considered an error of  
> omission that the overwriting behavior is not included in the docs.
>
> Which leads us to this central question:
>
> Dave, what is the Bugzilla number for the request you filed for  
> this suggestion?
>
> That will let us vote for it, so it'll help those of us who agree  
> with you to better support your desire for this change.

I can't log on to BZ to report at the moment!

Actually I don't really mind if "rename" stays as is as long as the  
docs are updated. However it's really swings and roundabouts, since  
you can just as easily use deleteFile and rename to achieve the same  
thing.

However, I really do think that:

revMoveFile
revMoveFolder  (already exists)
revRenameFile
revRenameFolder

as well as a full set "rev" prefixed file functions should be added,  
these should perform the correct level of checking.

All the Best
Dave




From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar  7 11:29:47 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:29:47 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>
	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>
	<573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>

>> As expressed in my previous email, if you take the time to report  
>> of the problem in the quality center <http://quality.runrev.com/>,  
>> I will take the time to support your report :-D
>
> Thanks, I will when I get home at the weekend unless I can get it  
> to work from here.

That would be great. Thanks :-)

Marielle



From wjm at wjm.org  Wed Mar  7 11:34:11 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:34:11 -0500
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk><87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk><esmevd$heg$1@sea.gmane.org>	<45EED68A.4070200@anachreon.co.uk><esmlg4$ah2$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<45EEE011.4080900@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <esmpi3$s7k$1@sea.gmane.org>

Nope, you for sure didn't bounce. People who bounce are sent an email from a 
different email address and completely unrelated mail server asking them to 
whitelist, contact their ISP, etc. If they don't respond to that, they are 
removed. I check this after each/every mailing.

Perhaps you would like to set up a different email for beta mailings. If so, 
please contact me off-list or re-signup for the beta at

http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php

"Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote in message 
news:45EEE011.4080900 at anachreon.co.uk...
> Hiya,
>
> Not received in my Inbox.
> I don't run a spam filter.
> If the message has bounced (check YOUR Inbox) then the runrev.com Domain 
> is on my ISP blacklist, which is highly doubtful as I am receiving the 
> list emails.
> Last email I received from runrev.com proper was from jo@ regarding the 
> Edinburgh get together, received 23/2/07 15:59.





From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 11:44:13 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:44:13 +0000
Subject: Warnings: (was) Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <6745289673.20070307070200@ahsoftware.net>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<6745289673.20070307070200@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <45EEEBDD.6070401@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Dave-
> 
> Wednesday, March 7, 2007, 1:27:26 AM, you wrote:
> 
>> Caution: Being near an H Bomb Explosion can cause slight discomfort!
> 
> I just bought a new French press coffee pot this weekend, and one of
> the warnings inscribed on it is "children and hot liquids should be
> kept apart"...
> 

It's nice to see a product warning that has a measured and human tone.

Compare with the box of matches in my kitchen...

STORE IN A DRY PLACE
KEEP AWAY FROM CHILDREN

Storing in a dry place is a good idea in most cases I would imagine, but 
only a small minority of children are too dangerous to approach.

Martin Baxter


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 11:40:54 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:40:54 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
In-Reply-To: <esmpi3$s7k$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk><87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk><esmevd$heg$1@sea.gmane.org>	<45EED68A.4070200@anachreon.co.uk><esmlg4$ah2$1@sea.gmane.org>	<45EEE011.4080900@anachreon.co.uk>
	<esmpi3$s7k$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <45EEEB16.4000908@anachreon.co.uk>

What, and leave me without something else to gripe about? Again? Nah, 
I'll skip it this time.

Cheers,

Luis.


Bill Marriott wrote:
> Nope, you for sure didn't bounce. People who bounce are sent an email from a 
> different email address and completely unrelated mail server asking them to 
> whitelist, contact their ISP, etc. If they don't respond to that, they are 
> removed. I check this after each/every mailing.
> 
> Perhaps you would like to set up a different email for beta mailings. If so, 
> please contact me off-list or re-signup for the beta at
> 
> http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php
> 
> "Luis" <luis at anachreon.co.uk> wrote in message 
> news:45EEE011.4080900 at anachreon.co.uk...
>> Hiya,
>>
>> Not received in my Inbox.
>> I don't run a spam filter.
>> If the message has bounced (check YOUR Inbox) then the runrev.com Domain 
>> is on my ISP blacklist, which is highly doubtful as I am receiving the 
>> list emails.
>> Last email I received from runrev.com proper was from jo@ regarding the 
>> Edinburgh get together, received 23/2/07 15:59.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> 


From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 11:55:45 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:55:45 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>
	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>
	<573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>
	<29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>
Message-ID: <37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>


On 7 Mar 2007, at 16:29, Marielle Lange wrote:

>>> As expressed in my previous email, if you take the time to report  
>>> of the problem in the quality center <http://quality.runrev.com/ 
>>> >, I will take the time to support your report :-D
>>
>> Thanks, I will when I get home at the weekend unless I can get it  
>> to work from here.
>
> That would be great. Thanks :-)

No problem, but don't you really think this is silly? I mean no one  
in their right minds would vote not to change the docs to update  
this. It would take less than 5 minutes to do the work, yet we have  
to go though the whole routine of logging on to BZ, working out how  
to fill in the form, then people have to vote on it then finally (if  
we are lucky) it *might* get fixed!

For things like this that do not affect the operation of the program  
why can't we just email someone have have them just do it?

It's as bad as the EEC!

All the Best
Dave



From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar  7 11:59:24 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:59:24 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
In-Reply-To: <45EEE011.4080900@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk><87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk><esmevd$heg$1@sea.gmane.org>	<45EED68A.4070200@anachreon.co.uk>
	<esmlg4$ah2$1@sea.gmane.org> <45EEE011.4080900@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <966F29F9-0EBA-4DCF-9B8F-07362B8BF129@widged.com>

> Last email I received from runrev.com proper was from jo@ regarding  
> the Edinburgh get together, received 23/2/07 15:59.

You live in Central Scotland?

Marielle



From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar  7 12:06:59 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:06:59 +0000
Subject: Warnings: (was) Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45EEEBDD.6070401@harbourhosting.co.uk>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<6745289673.20070307070200@ahsoftware.net>
	<45EEEBDD.6070401@harbourhosting.co.uk>
Message-ID: <29DB4B14-6B5F-41AB-8BF3-AA1E7D0A5CED@looktowindward.com>


On 7 Mar 2007, at 16:44, Martin Baxter wrote:
> It's nice to see a product warning that has a measured and human tone.
>
> Compare with the box of matches in my kitchen...
>
> STORE IN A DRY PLACE
> KEEP AWAY FROM CHILDREN
>
> Storing in a dry place is a good idea in most cases I would  
> imagine, but only a small minority of children are too dangerous to  
> approach.
>
> Martin Baxter

Of course there's warning that can be found in quite a few of the  
older English Pubs, on a low ceiling beam or door:

"Duck or Grouse"

Dave





From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 12:27:33 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:27:33 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.9 Beta Test Program?
In-Reply-To: <966F29F9-0EBA-4DCF-9B8F-07362B8BF129@widged.com>
References: <45EEA7FA.60603@anachreon.co.uk><87CBE983-5F7D-44B4-B7F4-6610D265BB33@widged.com>	<45EEB4BC.7040009@anachreon.co.uk><esmevd$heg$1@sea.gmane.org>	<45EED68A.4070200@anachreon.co.uk>	<esmlg4$ah2$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<45EEE011.4080900@anachreon.co.uk>
	<966F29F9-0EBA-4DCF-9B8F-07362B8BF129@widged.com>
Message-ID: <45EEF605.9030003@anachreon.co.uk>

Nope, London.

Marielle Lange wrote:
>> Last email I received from runrev.com proper was from jo@ regarding 
>> the Edinburgh get together, received 23/2/07 15:59.
> 
> You live in Central Scotland?
> 
> Marielle
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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> 
> 


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed Mar  7 12:43:33 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:43:33 -0300
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
Message-ID: <45EEF9C5.7030203@howsoft.com>

Rishi wrote:

 >Hmmm, has ubuntu changed the default permissions given to pendrives 
when they are mounted? Do you have executable rights on that file? (ls 
-la) If not, try changing the permissions on the file on the pendrive 
and try again. If this is the problem, you will have to dig deeper and 
change the defaults for mounting pendrives so that you do have 
executable rights.

Hope this helps, 

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks Rishi.

Using a right mouse click on the program's icon to access the file 
properties, this is the situation in Dapper Drake (where Rev progs 
execute from the pendrive OK):

               Read   Write   Execute
Owner    Yes      Yes      Yes
Group     No       No       No
Others    No       No       No

In Feisty Fawn Herd5, this is the layout:

               Read    Write
Owner    Yes       Yes
Group     No        No
Others    No        No

Execute * Allow executing file as program [set to NO]

------------------------------------------------------------------
As you can see, executable permission has now become independent of the 
user. If you try changing this option when the program is on the 
pendrive itself, it won't work. I tried copying the program to the 
Desktop and altering the executable permission there. It works. But if 
you copy the program back to the pendrive, the executable permission is 
removed.

I don't know how to alter the permissions of Rev progs on pendrives from 
the terminal. At this stage, I am not sure whether it would be better to 
try and find out, or to simply wait and see whether Ubuntu intend to do 
anything about it before releasing Feisty Fawn on April 19th. Their 
initial response to my bug report was almost immediate, but time is 
passing and they don't seem to have done anything beyond asking me to 
supply a Rev standalone for them to test.

Bob







From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 12:56:10 2007
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:56:10 -0700
Subject: make Rev standalone wait for external app
Message-ID: <1FF689BF-3617-4C41-AB81-E790A75F333E@gmail.com>

On OS X 10.4.8, Rev 2.8 gm3. I need to launch an external app  
(installer) from my Rev standalone. I need my standalone to wait for  
the app to close before continuing. What's the best way to do this?  
I've tried several different things including using the launch  
command, using the shell() function, and using the "open application"  
command via AppleScript. Nothing seems to work. My standalone  
continues on immediately following the code to open the external app.

Is there some other way? Or will it be necessary to just sit in a  
repeat loop, watching for the application to quit. Any help is  
appreciated.

Thanks,
Chris

------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------





From david at openpartnership.net  Wed Mar  7 12:59:16 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:59:16 +0100
Subject: Dates: ISO 8601
In-Reply-To: <0B21090C-BACF-4140-85CB-2DCAA29E6D81@major-k.de>
References: <c1c5836b0703070711v170e63c2wc4094a6041d7df67@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B21090C-BACF-4140-85CB-2DCAA29E6D81@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703070959q4c44c980rb30849d2457fdbf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Klaus - I was just thinking someone out there must have a ready made
handler as it is real common format on the internet. I've given a go below -
I include some info for reference:

A common use could be [YYYY]-[MM]-[DD]T[hh]:[mm]:[ss]?[hh]:[mm].
> "1981-04-05T14:30:30-05:00", for example.


Two good references:

   1. http://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-datetime
   2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Combined_representations

So it's basically dateitems with dashes a "T" in the middle and a "Z" or bit
from the internet time (UTC) at the end - not too clear on the timezone
stuff.

> UTC
>
> If the time is in UTC<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time>,
> it is very easy to show this. Simply add a 'Z' directly after the time,
> without a space. "09:30 UTC" is therefore represented as "09:30Z" or
> "0930Z". "14:45:15 UTC" would be "14:45:15Z" or "144515Z".
>
> [edit<http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=ISO_8601&action=edit&section=12>
> ] Other time zones
>
> Other time zones are specified by their *offset* from UTC, in the format
> ?[hh]:[mm], ?[hh][mm] or ?[hh]. So if the time being described is one hour
> ahead of UTC (such as the time in Berlin<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin>during the winter) the offset would be "+01:00", "+0100" or simply "+01".
> This is appended to the time in the same way that 'Z' was above. Note that
> the offset is the actual offset from UTC, and does not include any
> information on daylight saving time<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time>.
> Times expressed in local time for a user in Chicago<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago>would be "-06:00" for the winter (Central
> Standard Time <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Standard_Time_Zone>)
> and "-05:00" for the summer (Central Daylight Time<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Daylight_Time_Zone>).
> The following times all refer to the same moment: "18:30Z", "22:30+04",
> "1130-0700" and "15:00-03:30".
>
So this seems to work:

function date_Construct8601 someDate
    -- ie "1981-04-05T14:30:30-05:00"
    convert someDate to internet date
    put word -1 of somedate into utcOffset
    convert someDate to dateItems
    put item 1 to 3 of someDate into dateBit
    replace comma with "-" in dateBit
    put item 3 to 6 of somedate into timeBit
    replace comma with ":" in timeBit

    return dateBit & "T" & timeBit & utcOffset
end date_Construct8601


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 13:00:04 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:00:04 +0000
Subject: prevent too fast typing, how to?
Message-ID: <200703071800.04781.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

I'd like to do the following.  If 000 is typed at superhuman speed, only the 
first 0 should make it into a field.  But if 000 is typed at normal human 
rates, all three should.

Can you think of any way to do this?

The problem is a keypad with a 000 key right next to the 0 key.  All it does 
is keypress followed by keyrelease, superfast, three times.  I know the users 
are going to press it by mistake, and then they are going to get very 
flustered when they see their amounts in thousands not tens.  So I'd like 
some way to make it just result in one 0 being entered.

Grateful as ever for any hints!

Peter


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  7 13:10:19 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:10:19 -0800
Subject: prevent too fast typing, how to?
In-Reply-To: <200703071800.04781.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C214400B.43B4A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Try trapping the 'rawkey down' code for the '000' and see if you can just
substitute the '0'

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/7/07 10:00 AM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> I'd like to do the following.  If 000 is typed at superhuman speed, only the
> first 0 should make it into a field.  But if 000 is typed at normal human
> rates, all three should.
> 
> Can you think of any way to do this?
> 
> The problem is a keypad with a 000 key right next to the 0 key.  All it does
> is keypress followed by keyrelease, superfast, three times.  I know the users
> are going to press it by mistake, and then they are going to get very
> flustered when they see their amounts in thousands not tens.  So I'd like
> some way to make it just result in one 0 being entered.
> 
> Grateful as ever for any hints!
> 
> Peter
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  7 13:14:31 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:14:31 -0600
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>	<573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>	<29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>
	<37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <45EF0107.9070908@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:

> For things like this that do not affect the operation of the program why 
> can't we just email someone have have them just do it?

You can. RR allows you to send email to support if you don't want to 
deal with Bugzilla (though the Quality Control center is very much 
easier than the old one.) Send your report to <support(at)runrev.com> 
and someone on the support team will manually enter it for you.

Note that this doesn't change anything -- bug reports are simply not 
read or acted on unless they are formally entered into the bug database. 
But the support team will help you do that if you like.

One advantage to entering the report yourself is that you will get 
emails as your bug progresses through the system so that you are kept 
informed. If an RR employee enters the bug for for you, they will get 
the emails instead. Another reason to enter it yourself is that the 
report will be filed immediately. If the support team does it for you, 
it may wait in a queue until someone has time to enter it. Eventually it 
will get entered though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From soapdog at mac.com  Wed Mar  7 13:17:26 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:17:26 -0300
Subject: prevent too fast typing, how to?
In-Reply-To: <C214400B.43B4A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C214400B.43B4A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <79297D45-B543-4D14-9390-B6358287B751@mac.com>

Peter,

I don't think that is wise. What if the user intentionally pressed  
the 000 key. I know people that really use that key, specially people  
dealing with money. If they really press 000 and end up with a single  
0, they will me pissed.

Andre
On Mar 7, 2007, at 3:10 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> On 3/7/07 10:00 AM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to do the following.  If 000 is typed at superhuman  
>> speed, only the
>> first 0 should make it into a field.  But if 000 is typed at  
>> normal human
>> rates, all three should.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  7 13:23:10 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:23:10 -0600
Subject: Sorting text
In-Reply-To: <1D7C1341-8EC6-416D-B5B5-E85C4DCD6ED9@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <200309212215.SAA18765@www.runrev.com>	<3d8823b13fe5a6d2e1f8b02b3b2b358d@ozemail.com.au>	<96BEE605-A621-4893-914A-D8FD37326297@maseurope.net>
	<1D7C1341-8EC6-416D-B5B5-E85C4DCD6ED9@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <45EF030E.6070105@hyperactivesw.com>

Simon HARPER wrote:

> As an addition to this does the sorting machinery allow frequency counts 
> for words in a text field?

The old MetaCard IDE shipped with a very efficient word-counting script 
as one of its examples. Here it is with superfluous stuff removed and 
reformatted as a function:

function wordCount pText
   repeat for each word w in pText
     add 1 to wordCount[w]
   end repeat
   put keys(wordCount) into keyWords
   sort keyWords -- optional
   repeat for each line l in keyWords
     put l & tab & wordCount[l] & return after tResult
   end repeat
   return tResult
end wordCount

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar  7 13:35:03 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:35:03 -0600
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45EF0107.9070908@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>
	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>
	<573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>
	<29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>
	<37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
	<45EF0107.9070908@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703071035o5640edfbmf3d60971a4c4f1dd@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,
I agree with Richard, RENAME works fine for me, too. There are
certainly bigger fish to fry and if you're convinced this is a big
problem, then post it to the bug list. Anyone who's willing to spend
time typing 22 messages for this thread, should have enough time to
write a bug report.


From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar  7 13:47:11 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 18:47:11 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>
	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>
	<573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>
	<29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>
	<37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <AE34501F-FF42-4519-8F6A-04D9C7C47F43@widged.com>

>> That would be great. Thanks :-)
>
> No problem, but don't you really think this is silly?

Since I became involved in software development myself, I came to  
think that no, this isn't silly at all.

Take this little game:

<http://www.widged.com/portfolio/index.php?entry=Images/games/ 
kytoto_geometry.jpg>

This was done in a bit of a hurry to meet a deadline (they were  
announcing a competition and this stack was to help persons create a  
graphic for that competititon).

Somebody made me very valuable comments on how I can improve it.  
Implementing the comments wouldn't take me more than 1 hour of work.  
But implementing these changes won't bring me any direct benefit. So,  
it's not on the top of my priority list. If I was doing just that,  
rapidly react to some input I receive, I would never be finishing  
anything that is on top of my priority list. The comments have been  
written down in a log book and will stay there until I have time to  
dedicate to this project.

*Everything* is systematically written in my log book and/or some  
feature and bug tracking web-based software similar to Bugzilla. It  
takes a bit of discipline, but I find it a far more efficient way to  
go than act on the spur of the moment. Another advantage of keeping  
everything written down is that once or twice a year, I can run an  
analysis of the problems that have been reported (along with the time  
of notification and the time for fixing them). Reflect on them and  
rethink my strategy or my work habits.

In a book on successful work habits that point was made very nicely.  
It went something like this. If you take a vase and a bunch of  
stones, all of different sizes. If you try and put the small stones  
first, then at some point you won't be able to put the big ones in  
anymore. However, if you go the other way around, start with the big  
stones, you would be surprised at how many stones you can put in your  
vase.

> then finally (if we are lucky) it *might* get fixed!

If you want a faster route, here is what I propose. I made available  
a library of file processing functions at: <http:// 
revolution.widged.com/libraries/lib_fileprocessing_v0.3.txt>. I  
recently fixed various problems with the documentation of each function.

As you can see, the "rename" function is marked as "TBD" (to be  
done). If you provide me with the function of your dreams as well as  
adequate documentation for this function, I will add it to that  
file :-).

And if you come up with suggestions on how to improve the function, I  
promise, I will write them down and take them into account... but  
probably not act on them immediately ;-).

Best regards,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education







From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 14:33:49 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 12:33:49 -0700
Subject: Simulated mouse messages
In-Reply-To: <E4DA7A72-DC74-4FE9-91BE-3E995D473019@widged.com>
References: <850D2806-031C-4200-8C9B-2E02A2228A20@gmail.com>
	<E4DA7A72-DC74-4FE9-91BE-3E995D473019@widged.com>
Message-ID: <A8580867-AB48-4A18-9068-47C701407D2D@gmail.com>

Hello.

Sorry I didn't clarify: I've got the mouseDown and mouseUp messages  
taken care of, but I need to be able to simulate mouseStillDown as a  
message constantly sent between those messages.

Thanks,
Brent Anderson


From briany at qldlearning.com  Wed Mar  7 14:37:12 2007
From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 11:37:12 -0800
Subject: Simulated mouse messages
In-Reply-To: <A8580867-AB48-4A18-9068-47C701407D2D@gmail.com>
References: <850D2806-031C-4200-8C9B-2E02A2228A20@gmail.com>
	<E4DA7A72-DC74-4FE9-91BE-3E995D473019@widged.com>
	<A8580867-AB48-4A18-9068-47C701407D2D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A9A67B19-B428-4361-BA5A-85CE57CE1520@qldlearning.com>

Brent,

Supposing you already have the mouseDown message triggered, you could  
try something like:

send "mouseDown" to xxx
repeat while (the mouse is down and the mouseLoc is within the rect  
of xxx)
    send "mouseStillDown" to xxx
    wait zzz seconds with messages
end repeat

HTH,
Brian

> Hello.
>
> Sorry I didn't clarify: I've got the mouseDown and mouseUp messages  
> taken care of, but I need to be able to simulate mouseStillDown as  
> a message constantly sent between those messages.
>
> Thanks,
> Brent Anderson
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar  7 14:52:01 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:52:01 -0600
Subject: make Rev standalone wait for external app
In-Reply-To: <1FF689BF-3617-4C41-AB81-E790A75F333E@gmail.com>
References: <1FF689BF-3617-4C41-AB81-E790A75F333E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070307135201232879.73c6c982@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:56:10 -0700, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> On OS X 10.4.8, Rev 2.8 gm3. I need to launch an external app 
> (installer) from my Rev standalone. I need my standalone to wait for 
> the app to close before continuing. What's the best way to do this? 
> I've tried several different things including using the launch 
> command, using the shell() function, and using the "open application" 
> command via AppleScript. Nothing seems to work. My standalone 
> continues on immediately following the code to open the external app.
> 
> Is there some other way? Or will it be necessary to just sit in a 
> repeat loop, watching for the application to quit. Any help is 
> appreciated.

Well, theoretically if you launch the installer with "open process", 
you can continually check the openProcesses in a loop until the process 
disappears from the openProcesses... haven't tried it myself, but 
theoretically should work.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 15:24:18 2007
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:24:18 -0700
Subject: make Rev standalone wait for external app
In-Reply-To: <20070307135201232879.73c6c982@sonsothunder.com>
References: <1FF689BF-3617-4C41-AB81-E790A75F333E@gmail.com>
	<20070307135201232879.73c6c982@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <B1CB8725-BD0E-48FB-8A73-98810DD559AA@gmail.com>

Hi Ken,

This is what I ended up doing. Seems to work just find. On the  
Windows side, launching the app with the shell seems to automatically  
wait until it's finished. I was just hoping I could do the same thing  
on the Mac side. Doesn't seem to be the case though.

Thanks,
Chris

On Mar 7, 2007, at 12:52 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> Well, theoretically if you launch the installer with "open process",
> you can continually check the openProcesses in a loop until the  
> process
> disappears from the openProcesses... haven't tried it myself, but
> theoretically should work.

------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 15:29:32 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 20:29:32 +0000
Subject: prevent too fast typing, how to?
In-Reply-To: <C214400B.43B4A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C214400B.43B4A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200703072029.32836.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

On Wednesday 07 March 2007 18:10, Jim Ault wrote:
> Try trapping the 'rawkey down' code for the '000' and see if you can just
> substitute the '0'

This is my problem, I can't figure how to do this.  Because I've used xev to 
find the keycodes, and what is happening is, 0 sends 90, and 000 sends 90 
three times.  Its a very rapid sequence of keypress and keyrelease, three 
times.

So I can't trap the keycode.  Sarah Reichelt had posted something a while back 
which allowed you to trap cases where the key repeats, so she set a flag and 
then caught the second sending of (eg) 0 on a key still down, without a key 
release in between.  I can't do that, because the sequence is 
keypress+keyrelease, keypress+keyrelease, keypress+keyrelease.  It seems like 
the only distinguishing thing is the speed with which it happens.

Yes, understand Andre's reservations, and I would never do it in a general 
purpose application, but in this particular case no-one is ever going to want 
to key in 000.  The pad will be used by computer-phobic older volunteers to 
key in numbers smaller than 20.  I am absolutely certain that anytime key 000 
is used, its going to be in error for the zero.  But I still feel a bit 
squeamish about putting the entry into a variable and then reformatting it to 
take out all 000s!  Something tells me, you have to make it possible to enter 
three zeros, just not using the 000 key.  Instinct!

Maybe there is no way, and we just have to deal with it in training.  It would 
be neat if we didn't have to, though.

Peter


From david at openpartnership.net  Wed Mar  7 15:42:16 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:42:16 +0100
Subject: XMLRPC Time problem
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703071242k75db9e63ma1f0dbbe6a57e815@mail.gmail.com>

I am not sure if this is a problem with the XMLRPC library but I cannot send
a time to the web service which expects ISO

'time data did not match format:  data=2007-03-07T21:28:44Z UTC
> fmt=%Y%m%dT%H:%M:%S %Z'
>

And while the above is the correct ISO_8601 time I also tried the following
based on the error codes returned:

20070307T21:26:41 Z
20070307T21:25:14Z
2007-03-07T21:27:38 Z
20070307T213142Z

All give the same result. however the error includes the letters "UTC" and
from the docs:

The type is the type of data contained in the value parameter.
The supported types are:
    * dateTime.iso8601: the value is an Internet date

Which makes me wander if the library is sending the internet time followed
by "UTC"? Or can someone help me with what the format response is asking for
if it is not in one of the above. Stuck here.

NB there was a bug in the function I posted -this is the one I am using at
the moment:

function date_Construct8601 someDate, useDateDelim, useTimeDelim
    -- 1981-04-05T14:30:30-05:00

    if useDateDelim is not false then put "-" into dateDelim
    if useTimeDelim is not false then put ":" into timeDelim

    convert someDate to internet date
    put word -1 of somedate into utcOffset
    put char 2 to 3 of utcOffset into extraHours
    put char 4 to 5 of utcOffset into extraMin

    convert someDate to dateItems
    if char 1 of utcOffset is "+" then
        add extraHours to item 4 of someDate
        add extraMin to item 5 of someDate
    else
        subtract extraHours from item 4 of someDate
        subtract extraMin from item 5 of someDate
    end if
    convert someDate to dateItems

    set the numberformat to "00"
    put item 1 of someDate & dateDelim into fDate
    put (item 2 of someDate + 0) & dateDelim after fDate
    put (item 3 of someDate + 0) after fDate
    put "T" after fDate

    put (item 4 of someDate + 0) & timeDelim after fDate
    put (item 5 of someDate + 0) & timeDelim after fDate
    put (item 6 of someDate + 0) & "Z" after fDate

    return fDate
end date_Construct8601


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  7 15:44:35 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 12:44:35 -0800
Subject: prevent too fast typing, how to?
In-Reply-To: <200703072029.32836.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C2146433.43B67%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

trap the keystrokes, then set a global, test the new ticks...
global mm

on rawKeyDown whichKey
get the ticks - gTicksLastGoodKey
if it < gMinKeyDelay -- too short, don't pass the keystroke
else
 put the ticks into gTicksLastGoodKey
pass rawkeydown
end if
end rawkd

Jim Ault
Las Vegas



On 3/7/07 12:29 PM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> On Wednesday 07 March 2007 18:10, Jim Ault wrote:
>> Try trapping the 'rawkey down' code for the '000' and see if you can just
>> substitute the '0'
> 
> This is my problem, I can't figure how to do this.  Because I've used xev to
> find the keycodes, and what is happening is, 0 sends 90, and 000 sends 90
> three times.  Its a very rapid sequence of keypress and keyrelease, three
> times.
> 
> So I can't trap the keycode.  Sarah Reichelt had posted something a while back
> which allowed you to trap cases where the key repeats, so she set a flag and
> then caught the second sending of (eg) 0 on a key still down, without a key
> release in between.  I can't do that, because the sequence is
> keypress+keyrelease, keypress+keyrelease, keypress+keyrelease.  It seems like
> the only distinguishing thing is the speed with which it happens.
> 
> Yes, understand Andre's reservations, and I would never do it in a general
> purpose application, but in this particular case no-one is ever going to want
> to key in 000.  The pad will be used by computer-phobic older volunteers to
> key in numbers smaller than 20.  I am absolutely certain that anytime key 000
> is used, its going to be in error for the zero.  But I still feel a bit
> squeamish about putting the entry into a variable and then reformatting it to
> take out all 000s!  Something tells me, you have to make it possible to enter
> three zeros, just not using the 000 key.  Instinct!
> 
> Maybe there is no way, and we just have to deal with it in training.  It would
> be neat if we didn't have to, though.




From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed Mar  7 16:11:55 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:11:55 -0600
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>
	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>
	<573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>
	<29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>
	<37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <p06240818c214da785b94@[192.168.1.101]>

Looks like major complaining to me. Now you're griping about having 
to report to bugzilla. Can we drop this stupid thread?

Email won't fix it. An organized bug database can. May we leave it at 
that? Please??


>
>No problem, but don't you really think this is silly? I mean no one 
>in their right minds would vote not to change the docs to update 
>this. It would take less than 5 minutes to do the work, yet we have 
>to go though the whole routine of logging on to BZ, working out how 
>to fill in the form, then people have to vote on it then finally (if 
>we are lucky) it *might* get fixed!
>
>For things like this that do not affect the operation of the program 
>why can't we just email someone have have them just do it?
>
>It's as bad as the EEC!
>
>All the Best
>Dave
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From david at openpartnership.net  Wed Mar  7 16:25:46 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 22:25:46 +0100
Subject: Anyone got experience with the XMLRPC libraries?
In-Reply-To: <814CFC91-4470-4781-926A-E6615FC5165E@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
References: <814CFC91-4470-4781-926A-E6615FC5165E@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703071325v22cbfcdexb4580cd50a77801d@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Bernard - I tracked down the problem based on your advice. It is that
there was an Apache redirect on the server and while without authentication
the url works fine with the XMLRPC library - turn on authentication and it
does not work - switching to alternate non-redirected url allows
authenticated XMLRPC access. I guess that is a bug?

On 07/03/07, Bernard Devlin <revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com> wrote:
>
> David, I've only done some simple tests, but I can get basic
> authentication working like this:
>
> > put revxmlrpc_createrequest() into myrequest
> >
> >
> > revxmlrpc_sethost myrequest,"myUsername:myPassword at localhost"
> > revxmlrpc_setport myrequest,"8080"
> > revxmlrpc_setpath myrequest,"/"
> >
> > revxmlrpc_setmethod myrequest,"undo_log"
> > put revxmlrpc_execute(myrequest) into myresponse
> > if myresponse is a number then
> >     answer revxmlrpc_getparam(myresponse,1,"string")
> >     revxmlrpc_free myresponse
> > else answer myresponse
> > revxmlrpc_free myrequest
>
> When you say it is not working, what kind of response are you getting?
>
> Bernard
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar  7 17:21:26 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:21:26 -0800
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
Message-ID: <45EF3AE6.7040807@fourthworld.com>


What is Windows doing with my network when I'm not looking?

Here's the scenario:

I have XP running in Parallels on my MacBook, and I'm monitoring network 
activity with Interarchy.  As long as I don't run Mac net apps and have 
the Internet connection turned off in Parallels, Interarchy shows now 
net activity.

But as soon as I turn on the network connection with Parallels, 
something in Windows insists on having lengthy conversations with a 
server in Houston (location derived from dropping the IP in this handy 
tool: <http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation>).

I've reviewed all of the currently active processes in Windows Task 
Manager, and except for Revolution all processes come from EXEs stored 
in /System32/, so I don't suspect trojan horses or viruses at this time.

Any clues as to what in my XP system needs to keep chatting it up with 
some server in Houston?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar  7 17:32:36 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 16:32:36 -0600
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <45EF3AE6.7040807@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EF3AE6.7040807@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703071432y4a469e65t80bf0d7c1ac249e8@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds like you have the "Houston, we have a problem" virus. Don't
worry, it can be fixed with healthy amounts of federal funding and
some better gasket materials.

You may be doing some Windows auto updates. Check the Control Panel ->
System  and Automatic Updates tab.

best,
Chipp


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar  7 17:38:45 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 14:38:45 -0800
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
Message-ID: <45EF3EF5.7060302@fourthworld.com>

Chipp Walters wrote:
> You may be doing some Windows auto updates. Check the Control Panel ->
> System  and Automatic Updates tab.

I turned it off earlier when I started monitoring.

On the one hand, Interarchy's logs show some of the accesses to be 
through this domain:

au.download.windowsupdate.com

But why would Microsoft attempt to update after I've told it not to?
And how did that domain wind up with an IP assigned to an entity in Houston?

Mysterious....

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From david at openpartnership.net  Wed Mar  7 18:22:32 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 00:22:32 +0100
Subject: AltBrowser Crash
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703071522r39c28cd5kb773a99ee255b0f0@mail.gmail.com>

I have a problem I can't track down that causes a reproducible crash with
altBrowser external on OSX (intel). It is a strange one to me as the browser
is initiated, and it resizes fine - plus my scripts can set the url. However
clicking on absolutely any link causes the crash.

Now this does not happen with the demo stack. I am starting to use the
browser id - so I can have multiple windows open - but in fact I only have
the one, and well I am lost. There are no mouse handlers in the normal
hierarchy - though I could try to look at the front and back scripts... any
ideas? What should I check for?


From rishi at puredata.com.au  Wed Mar  7 18:36:52 2007
From: rishi at puredata.com.au (Rishi Viner)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:36:52 +1100
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
In-Reply-To: <45EEF9C5.7030203@howsoft.com>
References: <45EEF9C5.7030203@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <200703081036.53450.rishi@puredata.com.au>

On Thursday 08 March 2007 04:43, Bob Warren wrote:
> As you can see, executable permission has now become independent of the
> user. If you try changing this option when the program is on the
> pendrive itself, it won't work. I tried copying the program to the
> Desktop and altering the executable permission there. It works. But if
> you copy the program back to the pendrive, the executable permission is
> removed.

It looks like they are trying to improve security for removable drives... 
shame they are crippling such important functionality! I can't imagine that 
they would do this without some way for the user to manually fix this for a 
program they specifically want to run. Make lots of noise on the ubuntu 
forums and see if you can get an answer. 

> I don't know how to alter the permissions of Rev progs on pendrives from
> the terminal. 

As root user on terminal you could try: 
chmod +x /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86
or
chmod 777 /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86

Good luck, 

Rishi.


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 18:53:18 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:53:18 +0800
Subject: Warnings: (was) Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <29DB4B14-6B5F-41AB-8BF3-AA1E7D0A5CED@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@192.168.1.101>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<6745289673.20070307070200@ahsoftware.net>
	<45EEEBDD.6070401@harbourhosting.co.uk>
	<29DB4B14-6B5F-41AB-8BF3-AA1E7D0A5CED@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703071553n573823c0r9a687ea7f8eabca5@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/07, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:

> Of course there's warning that can be found in quite a few of the
> older English Pubs, on a low ceiling beam or door:
>
> "Duck or Grouse"
>
> Dave


I like the sign I spotted in a Gun Shop in Honolulu:

Trespassers will be shot.
Survivors will be shot again!


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar  7 19:00:14 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:00:14 -0600
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <45EF3EF5.7060302@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EF3EF5.7060302@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <45EF520E.1040301@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> On the one hand, Interarchy's logs show some of the accesses to be 
> through this domain:

As long as we're talking about this, does anyone know of a (preferably 
free) OS X packet monitor for those who don't have Interarchy? I've read 
that the built-in OS X firewall can be adjusted to log outgoing as well 
as incoming packets but the instructions for doing that in Terminal are 
too scary for me.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 19:11:25 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:11:25 +1000
Subject: make Rev standalone wait for external app
In-Reply-To: <1FF689BF-3617-4C41-AB81-E790A75F333E@gmail.com>
References: <1FF689BF-3617-4C41-AB81-E790A75F333E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703071611u5b5edc96rf228767918fbf74d@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/07, Chris Sheffield <cmsheffield at gmail.com> wrote:
> On OS X 10.4.8, Rev 2.8 gm3. I need to launch an external app
> (installer) from my Rev standalone. I need my standalone to wait for
> the app to close before continuing. What's the best way to do this?
> I've tried several different things including using the launch
> command, using the shell() function, and using the "open application"
> command via AppleScript. Nothing seems to work. My standalone
> continues on immediately following the code to open the external app.
>
> Is there some other way? Or will it be necessary to just sit in a
> repeat loop, watching for the application to quit. Any help is
> appreciated.
>

I think you have already solved your problem, but here is the handler
I use on OS X to determine whether an application is running:

function isAppRunning pAppName
  put "tell application " & quote & "System Events" & quote & cr into tScript
  put "return (exists application process " & quote & pAppname & quote
& ")" & cr after tScript
  put "end tell" after tScript
  do tScript as AppleScript
  return the result
end isAppRunning

(watch for line-wraps)

Cheers,
Sarah


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 19:29:01 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:29:01 +0800
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>
	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>
	<573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>
	<29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>
	<37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703071629x1b9f6b7di7e4168bff38082ab@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/07, Dave <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>
>
> For things like this that do not affect the operation of the program
> why can't we just email someone have have them just do it?


I believe this will be the second time I'll point out that you can. At the
front of the User Guide:

Please send all comments and feedback to:
userguide at runrev.com
All comments will be read and you will receive a reply.

Of course this relates to corrections, omissions, clarifications or
inclusions; which you clearly have identified. As far as your desire for new
functions, that is clearly for Bugzilla.


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 19:33:42 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 00:33:42 +0000
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <45EF520E.1040301@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45EF3EF5.7060302@fourthworld.com>
	<45EF520E.1040301@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D8108CC9-3158-49A1-B12E-D9FD8EDB484D@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 8 Mar 2007, at 00:00, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> As long as we're talking about this, does anyone know of a  
> (preferably free) OS X packet monitor for those who don't have  
> Interarchy? I've read that the built-in OS X firewall can be  
> adjusted to log outgoing as well as incoming packets but the  
> instructions for doing that in Terminal are too scary for me.

For free, and with enough screenfuls of changing data to make sci-fi  
movies and get some respect from the kids, try typing "sudo tcpdump"  
in a Terminal window. Type Control-c to stop.

Then try "man tcpdump" to see how you might take charge of this. :-)

Cheers
Dave


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 19:42:00 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:42:00 +0800
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <D8108CC9-3158-49A1-B12E-D9FD8EDB484D@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <45EF3EF5.7060302@fourthworld.com>
	<45EF520E.1040301@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D8108CC9-3158-49A1-B12E-D9FD8EDB484D@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703071642w4f014b5er96b788bc90f887ce@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/07, Dave Cragg <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
> For free, and with enough screenfuls of changing data to make sci-fi
> movies and get some respect from the kids, try typing "sudo tcpdump"
> in a Terminal window. Type Control-c to stop.


Thanks Dave. Just tried it and was half expecting an inundation but was
reassuringly met with a very slow trickle of data to and from 'google' ( I
am on gmail). I'll keep this on up the sleeve for those times when I'm sure
something funny is going on.

Thanks


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 19:45:26 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 00:45:26 +0000
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
In-Reply-To: <200703081036.53450.rishi@puredata.com.au>
References: <45EEF9C5.7030203@howsoft.com>
	<200703081036.53450.rishi@puredata.com.au>
Message-ID: <8E96CECC-A20C-4D6B-ACA2-B488B86B476C@anachreon.co.uk>

This reminded me of something on OS X: If you do a 'Get Info' on an  
attached storage device there is the option (tick box) to ignore the  
ownership permissions on the device. There may be a general setting  
for attached storage devices in Ubuntu, or similar option on one of  
the property tabs once the device is attached.
Gnome has been enhanced with added management features, so this may  
be one of them.
Might need to look see if plugdev has group membership.

Can you get it to work as root?

In fstab, is it mounted with 'auto' or does it display the correct  
filesystem type?

Does it work in 6.0.6 LTS? I've had some issues with 6.10 and USB...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 7 Mar 2007, at 23:36, Rishi Viner wrote:

> On Thursday 08 March 2007 04:43, Bob Warren wrote:
>> As you can see, executable permission has now become independent  
>> of the
>> user. If you try changing this option when the program is on the
>> pendrive itself, it won't work. I tried copying the program to the
>> Desktop and altering the executable permission there. It works.  
>> But if
>> you copy the program back to the pendrive, the executable  
>> permission is
>> removed.
>
> It looks like they are trying to improve security for removable  
> drives...
> shame they are crippling such important functionality! I can't  
> imagine that
> they would do this without some way for the user to manually fix  
> this for a
> program they specifically want to run. Make lots of noise on the  
> ubuntu
> forums and see if you can get an answer.
>
>> I don't know how to alter the permissions of Rev progs on  
>> pendrives from
>> the terminal.
>
> As root user on terminal you could try:
> chmod +x /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86
> or
> chmod 777 /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rishi.
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 19:49:40 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 00:49:40 +0000
Subject: prevent too fast typing, how to?
In-Reply-To: <C2146433.43B67%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2146433.43B67%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5A047345-3D5F-4869-9DE6-7C1C740782F3@anachreon.co.uk>

Why not glue the key firmly in place? And draw an 'N' just before the  
first '0'...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 7 Mar 2007, at 20:44, Jim Ault wrote:

> trap the keystrokes, then set a global, test the new ticks...
> global mm
>
> on rawKeyDown whichKey
> get the ticks - gTicksLastGoodKey
> if it < gMinKeyDelay -- too short, don't pass the keystroke
> else
>  put the ticks into gTicksLastGoodKey
> pass rawkeydown
> end if
> end rawkd
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
> On 3/7/07 12:29 PM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday 07 March 2007 18:10, Jim Ault wrote:
>>> Try trapping the 'rawkey down' code for the '000' and see if you  
>>> can just
>>> substitute the '0'
>>
>> This is my problem, I can't figure how to do this.  Because I've  
>> used xev to
>> find the keycodes, and what is happening is, 0 sends 90, and 000  
>> sends 90
>> three times.  Its a very rapid sequence of keypress and  
>> keyrelease, three
>> times.
>>
>> So I can't trap the keycode.  Sarah Reichelt had posted something  
>> a while back
>> which allowed you to trap cases where the key repeats, so she set  
>> a flag and
>> then caught the second sending of (eg) 0 on a key still down,  
>> without a key
>> release in between.  I can't do that, because the sequence is
>> keypress+keyrelease, keypress+keyrelease, keypress+keyrelease.  It  
>> seems like
>> the only distinguishing thing is the speed with which it happens.
>>
>> Yes, understand Andre's reservations, and I would never do it in a  
>> general
>> purpose application, but in this particular case no-one is ever  
>> going to want
>> to key in 000.  The pad will be used by computer-phobic older  
>> volunteers to
>> key in numbers smaller than 20.  I am absolutely certain that  
>> anytime key 000
>> is used, its going to be in error for the zero.  But I still feel  
>> a bit
>> squeamish about putting the entry into a variable and then  
>> reformatting it to
>> take out all 000s!  Something tells me, you have to make it  
>> possible to enter
>> three zeros, just not using the 000 key.  Instinct!
>>
>> Maybe there is no way, and we just have to deal with it in  
>> training.  It would
>> be neat if we didn't have to, though.
>
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 19:58:30 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 00:58:30 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>
	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>
	<573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>
	<29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>
	<37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <51139399-53A6-472B-919E-FF63D129A7CD@anachreon.co.uk>

I agree with Dave totally: The current implementation is not logical.  
'Rename' does not equal 'Delete'.

On 7 Mar 2007, at 18:47, Marielle Lange wrote:
>
> In a book on successful work habits that point was made very  
> nicely. It went something like this. If you take a vase and a bunch  
> of stones, all of different sizes. If you try and put the small  
> stones first, then at some point you won't be able to put the big  
> ones in anymore. However, if you go the other way around, start  
> with the big stones, you would be surprised at how many stones you  
> can put in your vase.

Analogies, as comforting as they are at times, also have exceptions:  
Driving down a narrow road, ahead of you are two obstacles, one LARGE  
empty cardboard box and one SMALL glass bottle, which one do you avoid?

Cheers,

Luis.




From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 20:02:34 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 01:02:34 +0000
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <45EF3AE6.7040807@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EF3AE6.7040807@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <F76628CD-72B6-4011-81A5-C98B9B7F2882@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Probably attempting to grab your locale to localise Windows Updates.
You might turn Windows Update off but that's just for show.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 7 Mar 2007, at 22:21, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> What is Windows doing with my network when I'm not looking?
>
> Here's the scenario:
>
> I have XP running in Parallels on my MacBook, and I'm monitoring  
> network activity with Interarchy.  As long as I don't run Mac net  
> apps and have the Internet connection turned off in Parallels,  
> Interarchy shows now net activity.
>
> But as soon as I turn on the network connection with Parallels,  
> something in Windows insists on having lengthy conversations with a  
> server in Houston (location derived from dropping the IP in this  
> handy tool: <http://www.geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm?GetLocation>).
>
> I've reviewed all of the currently active processes in Windows Task  
> Manager, and except for Revolution all processes come from EXEs  
> stored in /System32/, so I don't suspect trojan horses or viruses  
> at this time.
>
> Any clues as to what in my XP system needs to keep chatting it up  
> with some server in Houston?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 20:16:39 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:16:39 +0800
Subject: prevent too fast typing, how to?
In-Reply-To: <C2146433.43B67%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <200703072029.32836.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<C2146433.43B67%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703071716w7e42ba2ge7a9eb47293d9863@mail.gmail.com>

Here's another option which doesn't worry about try to figure out what the
right time is. All it does it checks to see if you are trying to type 0 more
than once. In this case it will beep if you press the '000' key or press '0'
more than once.

-------
local lMyDuplicate

ON rawKeyDown theNumber
 SWITCH
  CASE ((theNumber = 90) AND (lMyDuplicate = 0))
   put 1 into lMyDuplicate
   pass rawKeydown
   break
  CASE ((theNumber = 90) AND (lMyDuplicate = 1))
   beep
   break
  CASE (theNumber <> 90)
   put 0 into lMyDuplicate
   pass rawKeydown
   break
 END SWITCH
END rawKeyDown

-------

HTH


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 20:19:35 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 01:19:35 +0000
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <45EF520E.1040301@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45EF3EF5.7060302@fourthworld.com>
	<45EF520E.1040301@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5F0845CD-D5C8-4FB9-81EE-65EFB77BE1B3@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

MenuMeters give you an overview: http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/ 
menumeters/

Net Monitor is extremely good and cheap: http://homepage.mac.com/ 
rominar/net.html

Or you can go all out on this freebie: http://www.nagios.org/about/ 
screenshots.php
And sprinkle with a little of this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/ 
nageographer

Cheers,

Luis


On 8 Mar 2007, at 0:00, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> On the one hand, Interarchy's logs show some of the accesses to be  
>> through this domain:
>
> As long as we're talking about this, does anyone know of a  
> (preferably free) OS X packet monitor for those who don't have  
> Interarchy? I've read that the built-in OS X firewall can be  
> adjusted to log outgoing as well as incoming packets but the  
> instructions for doing that in Terminal are too scary for me.
>
> -- 
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 20:20:41 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:20:41 +0800
Subject: prevent too fast typing, how to?
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703071716w7e42ba2ge7a9eb47293d9863@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200703072029.32836.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<C2146433.43B67%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<f73a98160703071716w7e42ba2ge7a9eb47293d9863@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703071720j13b8e401l2fd143dbf326fade@mail.gmail.com>

Ooops. forgot to mention that on my Mac the 0 rawKeyDown code is 48. I don't
know why this should be different on different platforms but you allow for
that with these simple amendments.

>
>
> -------
> local lMyDuplicate
>
> ON rawKeyDown theNumber
>  SWITCH


CASE ((theNumber = 48) AND (lMyDuplicate = 0))

  CASE ((theNumber = 90) AND (lMyDuplicate = 0))
>    put 1 into lMyDuplicate
>    pass rawKeydown
>    break
>   CASE ((theNumber = 90) AND (lMyDuplicate = 1))
>    beep
>    break
>   CASE (theNumber <> 90)
>    put 0 into lMyDuplicate
>    pass rawKeydown
>    break
>  END SWITCH
> END rawKeyDown
>
> -------
>
> HTH
>


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar  7 20:25:05 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:25:05 +0800
Subject: prevent too fast typing, how to?
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703071720j13b8e401l2fd143dbf326fade@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200703072029.32836.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<C2146433.43B67%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<f73a98160703071716w7e42ba2ge7a9eb47293d9863@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160703071720j13b8e401l2fd143dbf326fade@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703071725i522b5624g499775284bc5dec3@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, pressed the wrong key. Here is the full script:

------
local lMyDuplicate

ON rawKeyDown theNumber
 SWITCH
  CASE ((theNumber = 48) AND (lMyDuplicate = 0))
  CASE ((theNumber = 90) AND (lMyDuplicate = 0))
   put 1 into lMyDuplicate
   pass rawKeydown
   break
  CASE ((theNumber = 48) AND (lMyDuplicate = 1))
  CASE ((theNumber = 90) AND (lMyDuplicate = 1))
   beep
   break
  CASE ((theNumber <> 48) AND (theNumber <> 90))
   put 0 into lMyDuplicate
   pass rawKeydown
   break
  END SWITCH
END rawKeyDown
--------

HTH


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar  7 20:59:20 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 01:59:20 +0000
Subject: prevent too fast typing, how to?
In-Reply-To: <C2146433.43B67%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2146433.43B67%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200703080159.20520.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Many thanks guys - I'll have a try with these!  And yes, if all else fails 
there is always a dab of epoxy...

Peter


On Wednesday 07 March 2007 20:44, Jim Ault wrote:
> trap the keystrokes, then set a global, test the new ticks...
> global mm
>
> on rawKeyDown whichKey
> get the ticks - gTicksLastGoodKey
> if it < gMinKeyDelay -- too short, don't pass the keystroke
> else
>  put the ticks into gTicksLastGoodKey
> pass rawkeydown
> end if
> end rawkd
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
> On 3/7/07 12:29 PM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
>
> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 07 March 2007 18:10, Jim Ault wrote:
> >> Try trapping the 'rawkey down' code for the '000' and see if you can
> >> just substitute the '0'
> >
> > This is my problem, I can't figure how to do this.  Because I've used xev
> > to find the keycodes, and what is happening is, 0 sends 90, and 000 sends
> > 90 three times.  Its a very rapid sequence of keypress and keyrelease,
> > three times.
> >
> > So I can't trap the keycode.  Sarah Reichelt had posted something a while
> > back which allowed you to trap cases where the key repeats, so she set a
> > flag and then caught the second sending of (eg) 0 on a key still down,
> > without a key release in between.  I can't do that, because the sequence
> > is
> > keypress+keyrelease, keypress+keyrelease, keypress+keyrelease.  It seems
> > like the only distinguishing thing is the speed with which it happens.
> >
> > Yes, understand Andre's reservations, and I would never do it in a
> > general purpose application, but in this particular case no-one is ever
> > going to want to key in 000.  The pad will be used by computer-phobic
> > older volunteers to key in numbers smaller than 20.  I am absolutely
> > certain that anytime key 000 is used, its going to be in error for the
> > zero.  But I still feel a bit squeamish about putting the entry into a
> > variable and then reformatting it to take out all 000s!  Something tells
> > me, you have to make it possible to enter three zeros, just not using the
> > 000 key.  Instinct!
> >
> > Maybe there is no way, and we just have to deal with it in training.  It
> > would be neat if we didn't have to, though.
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Wed Mar  7 22:03:49 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 21:03:49 -0600
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <45EF520E.1040301@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45EF3EF5.7060302@fourthworld.com>
	<45EF520E.1040301@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06240820c2152cf1afef@[192.168.1.101]>

IPNetmonitor is the Swiss army knife of net tools. I've use it for years.
not free, but reasonable, from a foremost authority on IP networks, 
Peter Sichel.

http://www.sustworks.com/site/prod_ipmonitor.html

>Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>>On the one hand, Interarchy's logs show some of the accesses to be 
>>through this domain:
>
>As long as we're talking about this, does anyone know of a 
>(preferably free) OS X packet monitor for those who don't have 
>Interarchy? I've read that the built-in OS X firewall can be 
>adjusted to log outgoing as well as incoming packets but the 
>instructions for doing that in Terminal are too scary for me.
>
>--
>Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -




From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed Mar  7 22:12:39 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:12:39 -0300
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
Message-ID: <45EF7F27.9040805@howsoft.com>

Luis and Rishi:

Please excuse my quick/generic answers: I'm tired, it's late, and I 
still have work to do...

Luis wrote:

>This reminded me of something on OS X: If you do a 'Get Info' on an  
attached storage device there is the option (tick box) to ignore the  
ownership permissions on the device. There may be a general setting  
for attached storage devices in Ubuntu, or similar option on one of  
the property tabs once the device is attached.
Gnome has been enhanced with added management features, so this may  
be one of them.
Might need to look see if plugdev has group membership.

Can you get it to work as root?

In fstab, is it mounted with 'auto' or does it display the correct  
filesystem type?

Does it work in 6.0.6 LTS? I've had some issues with 6.10 and USB...

------------------------------------
1. Wherever I find options for changing permissions, if I set them they get turned off.
2. "Plugdev"? That one's got me.
3. Root doesn't help.
4. Nothing appears in fstab at all!
5. 6.0.6 is fine. The trouble is with Feisty Fawn Herd 5 - running from the Live CD.
-----------------------------------

Rishi wrote:

>As root user on terminal you could try: 
chmod +x /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86
or
chmod 777 /media/KINGSTON/Revolution/revolution.x86

-----------------------------------
No luck I'm afraid.

This bug (?) has been assigned to someone in Ubuntu. I'll send him an e-mail tomorrow.

Nighty-night.

Bob





From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Wed Mar  7 23:28:25 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 20:28:25 -0800
Subject: make Rev standalone wait for external app
In-Reply-To: <B1CB8725-BD0E-48FB-8A73-98810DD559AA@gmail.com>
References: <1FF689BF-3617-4C41-AB81-E790A75F333E@gmail.com>
	<20070307135201232879.73c6c982@sonsothunder.com>
	<B1CB8725-BD0E-48FB-8A73-98810DD559AA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <11593674877.20070307202825@ahsoftware.net>

Chris-

Wednesday, March 7, 2007, 12:24:18 PM, you wrote:

> This is what I ended up doing. Seems to work just find. On the
> Windows side, launching the app with the shell seems to automatically
> wait until it's finished. I was just hoping I could do the same thing
> on the Mac side. Doesn't seem to be the case though.

You might try setting a variable from the external side when you're
done, using SetVariable(). Then on the Transcript side just sit there
polling the variable until it's set.

put empty into tDone
DoTheExternalThing
repeat while tDone is empty
end repeat

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  8 00:14:29 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:14:29 -0600
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <D8108CC9-3158-49A1-B12E-D9FD8EDB484D@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <45EF3EF5.7060302@fourthworld.com>	<45EF520E.1040301@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D8108CC9-3158-49A1-B12E-D9FD8EDB484D@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <45EF9BB5.9080807@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:

> For free, and with enough screenfuls of changing data to make sci-fi 
> movies and get some respect from the kids, try typing "sudo tcpdump" in 
> a Terminal window. Type Control-c to stop.
> 
> Then try "man tcpdump" to see how you might take charge of this. :-)

Wow, it's all in there, isn't it? I was overwhelmed with output. Then I 
read the man page and figured out how to limit the output to only stuff 
going in and out of my desktop machine. That's pretty cool, in spite of 
how your eyes can glaze over after reading 831 entries.

I bet it would be possible to build a Rev interface and have a 
customized monitor window. ;) Thinkety thinkety...

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  8 00:17:03 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:17:03 -0600
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <5F0845CD-D5C8-4FB9-81EE-65EFB77BE1B3@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <45EF3EF5.7060302@fourthworld.com>	<45EF520E.1040301@hyperactivesw.com>
	<5F0845CD-D5C8-4FB9-81EE-65EFB77BE1B3@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <45EF9C4F.50400@hyperactivesw.com>

Luis wrote:
> Hiya,
> 
> MenuMeters give you an overview: 
> http://www.ragingmenace.com/software/menumeters/
> 
> Net Monitor is extremely good and cheap: 
> http://homepage.mac.com/rominar/net.html
> 
> Or you can go all out on this freebie: 
> http://www.nagios.org/about/screenshots.php
> And sprinkle with a little of this: 
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/nageographer

Thanks Luis. These sound much easier than reading the tcpdump output. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 00:54:30 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 21:54:30 -0800
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <45EF9BB5.9080807@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C214E516.43BB3%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


On 3/7/07 9:14 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>> ... try typing "sudo tcpdump" in
>> a Terminal window. Type Control-c to stop.
> Wow, it's all in there, isn't it? I was overwhelmed with output. Then I
> read the man page and figured out how to limit the output to only stuff
> going in and out of my desktop machine. That's pretty cool, in spite of
> how your eyes can glaze over after reading 831 entries.

All I get is:

tcpdump: WARNING: en0: no IPv4 address assigned
tcpdump: listening on en0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96
bytes
^C
0 packets captured
0 packets received by filter
0 packets dropped by kernel
[jimaultscomputer:~] jault%


so I must be in a pretty quiet part of the internet.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas






> Dave Cragg wrote:
> 
>> For free, and with enough screenfuls of changing data to make sci-fi
>> movies and get some respect from the kids, try typing "sudo tcpdump" in
>> a Terminal window. Type Control-c to stop.
>> 
>> Then try "man tcpdump" to see how you might take charge of this. :-)
> 

> 
> I bet it would be possible to build a Rev interface and have a
> customized monitor window. ;) Thinkety thinkety...




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar  8 01:01:10 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 22:01:10 -0800
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
Message-ID: <45EFA6A6.7010309@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I bet it would be possible to build a Rev interface and have a 
> customized monitor window. ;) Thinkety thinkety...

GMTA:
<http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2110>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  8 01:02:00 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:02:00 -0600
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <C214E516.43BB3%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C214E516.43BB3%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45EFA6D8.4080403@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Ault wrote:
> On 3/7/07 9:14 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>>> ... try typing "sudo tcpdump" in
>>> a Terminal window. Type Control-c to stop.
>> Wow, it's all in there, isn't it? I was overwhelmed with output. Then I
>> read the man page and figured out how to limit the output to only stuff
>> going in and out of my desktop machine. That's pretty cool, in spite of
>> how your eyes can glaze over after reading 831 entries.
> 
> All I get is:
> 
> tcpdump: WARNING: en0: no IPv4 address assigned
> tcpdump: listening on en0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture size 96
> bytes
> ^C
> 0 packets captured
> 0 packets received by filter
> 0 packets dropped by kernel
> [jimaultscomputer:~] jault%
> 
> 
> so I must be in a pretty quiet part of the internet.

Are you on a network? I was seeing everything -- communications with the 
router, my email client auto-checking with my provider for email, the 
other machines on the network broadcasting their presence, my router 
asking for machine data, etc. etc. I got over 800 entries in under 5 
minutes. Then I went to a few web sites while the log was still running, 
and saw every interaction with the remote sites. Try starting the dump 
and then getting your mail, or visiting a web site. If you are just 
sitting idle and there are no other active machines on the network, then 
you probably aren't generating any activity.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Mar  8 03:05:19 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:05:19 +0000
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <C214E516.43BB3%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C214E516.43BB3%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <36620B2D-BBB7-4A7E-8BED-24D59E6B4915@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 8 Mar 2007, at 05:54, Jim Ault wrote:

>
> On 3/7/07 9:14 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>>> ... try typing "sudo tcpdump" in
>>> a Terminal window. Type Control-c to stop.
> All I get is:
>
> tcpdump: WARNING: en0: no IPv4 address assigned
> tcpdump: listening on en0, link-type EN10MB (Ethernet), capture  
> size 96
> bytes
> ^C
> 0 packets captured
> 0 packets received by filter
> 0 packets dropped by kernel
> [jimaultscomputer:~] jault%
>
>
> so I must be in a pretty quiet part of the internet.

Are you on a wireless connection? Try the following to get a list of  
interfaces:

sudo tcpdump -D
Password:

On my machine, this produces the following:

1.en0
2.fw0
3.wlt1
4.lo0

Assuming wlt1 is the wireless interface,

sudo tcpdump -i 3

Which produces the following here:

tcpdump: WARNING: wlt1: no IPv4 address assigned
tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol  
decode
listening on wlt1, link-type IEEE802_11_RADIO (802.11 plus BSD radio  
information header), capture size 96 bytes

But will presumably give results if wi-fi is enabled.

Cheers
Dave


From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar  8 04:19:53 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:19:53 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45EF0107.9070908@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>	<573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>	<29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>
	<37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
	<45EF0107.9070908@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <178B6B91-070B-40CF-8EDD-A6586B1C2EC0@looktowindward.com>


On 7 Mar 2007, at 18:14, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> One advantage to entering the report yourself is that you will get  
> emails as your bug progresses through the system so that you are  
> kept informed. If an RR employee enters the bug for for you, they  
> will get the emails instead. Another reason to enter it yourself is  
> that the report will be filed immediately. If the support team does  
> it for you, it may wait in a queue until someone has time to enter  
> it. Eventually it will get entered though.

I'll enter it as soon as I can log on. My point is that for a 5  
minute job of changing the docs is greatly extended thus wasting  
resources.

All the Best
Dave




From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar  8 04:23:18 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:23:18 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <51139399-53A6-472B-919E-FF63D129A7CD@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>
	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>
	<573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>
	<29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>
	<37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
	<51139399-53A6-472B-919E-FF63D129A7CD@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <24037326-70AC-474F-90A2-3B93E849E585@looktowindward.com>


On 8 Mar 2007, at 00:58, Luis wrote:

> I agree with Dave totally: The current implementation is not  
> logical. 'Rename' does not equal 'Delete'.
>
> On 7 Mar 2007, at 18:47, Marielle Lange wrote:
>>
>> In a book on successful work habits that point was made very  
>> nicely. It went something like this. If you take a vase and a  
>> bunch of stones, all of different sizes. If you try and put the  
>> small stones first, then at some point you won't be able to put  
>> the big ones in anymore. However, if you go the other way around,  
>> start with the big stones, you would be surprised at how many  
>> stones you can put in your vase.
>
> Analogies, as comforting as they are at times, also have  
> exceptions: Driving down a narrow road, ahead of you are two  
> obstacles, one LARGE empty cardboard box and one SMALL glass  
> bottle, which one do you avoid?

Yes, but if you grind *huge* stones down into sand, you will get even  
more into the vase and it takes less time.

I like analogies too!

All the Best
Dave




From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar  8 04:30:42 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:30:42 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <p06240818c214da785b94@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
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	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>
	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>
	<573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>
	<29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>
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	<p06240818c214da785b94@[192.168.1.101]>
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On 7 Mar 2007, at 21:11, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Looks like major complaining to me. Now you're griping about having  
> to report to bugzilla.
>

Looks can be deceiving! I'm NOT complaining about having to report it  
into BZ, I've said I will do it when I can log on.

You are complaining about someone else complaining, which strikes me  
as an even sillier use of time, but I don't mind and won't ask you to  
stop. After all it's a free world and people are entitled to complain  
if they like!

Cheers and have a nice day!
All the Best
Dave



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu Mar  8 04:56:30 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 09:56:30 +0000
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
In-Reply-To: <45EF7F27.9040805@howsoft.com>
References: <45EF7F27.9040805@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <45EFDDCE.1090205@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

See inline replies.

Bob Warren wrote:
> Luis and Rishi:
> 
> Please excuse my quick/generic answers: I'm tired, it's late, and I 
> still have work to do...

Try 4 hours kip a night for 5 years... :) Ok, maybe an extra 2 on a 
friday night.

> 
> ------------------------------------
> 1. Wherever I find options for changing permissions, if I set them they 
> get turned off.
> 2. "Plugdev"? That one's got me.

That's the group for plugabble devices, it has a set of specific 
permissions. If your logon is part of that group also then it inherits 
those permissions.

> 3. Root doesn't help.

I've seen that happen on 6.10.

> 4. Nothing appears in fstab at all!

Now that's odd, but not necessarily bad.

> 5. 6.0.6 is fine. The trouble is with Feisty Fawn Herd 5 - running from 
> the Live CD.

Yup, figured that might be the case: It's pointing the the new USB 
subsystem in the newer kernels.

Try this: sudo mount -a
Although with no entries in fstab, hmmm... let me know if it does anything.

Out of curiosity: If you have a second USB flash drive, and you plug 
that in as well, does it make any difference?

> This bug (?) has been assigned to someone in Ubuntu. I'll send him an 
> e-mail tomorrow.
> 
> Nighty-night.
> 
> Bob

Spotted this bug in the Ubuntu support, is it the same one you're 
referring to? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/2436

Cheers,

Luis.






From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu Mar  8 05:03:13 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:03:13 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <24037326-70AC-474F-90A2-3B93E849E585@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>	<573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>	<29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>	<37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>	<51139399-53A6-472B-919E-FF63D129A7CD@anachreon.co.uk>
	<24037326-70AC-474F-90A2-3B93E849E585@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <45EFDF61.8020200@anachreon.co.uk>

I prefer metaphor, interpretations vary per person, mood, time of day, 
etc. Metaphors fit the moment, analogies fit the theory.

Cheers,

Luis.


Dave wrote:
> 
> On 8 Mar 2007, at 00:58, Luis wrote:
> 
>> I agree with Dave totally: The current implementation is not logical. 
>> 'Rename' does not equal 'Delete'.
>>
>> On 7 Mar 2007, at 18:47, Marielle Lange wrote:
>>>
>>> In a book on successful work habits that point was made very nicely. 
>>> It went something like this. If you take a vase and a bunch of 
>>> stones, all of different sizes. If you try and put the small stones 
>>> first, then at some point you won't be able to put the big ones in 
>>> anymore. However, if you go the other way around, start with the big 
>>> stones, you would be surprised at how many stones you can put in your 
>>> vase.
>>
>> Analogies, as comforting as they are at times, also have exceptions: 
>> Driving down a narrow road, ahead of you are two obstacles, one LARGE 
>> empty cardboard box and one SMALL glass bottle, which one do you avoid?
> 
> Yes, but if you grind *huge* stones down into sand, you will get even 
> more into the vase and it takes less time.
> 
> I like analogies too!
> 
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar  8 05:16:44 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 10:16:44 +0000
Subject: prevent too fast typing, how to?
In-Reply-To: <200703071800.04781.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200703071800.04781.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2E7A4052-BCEA-4EC3-BB4E-10EC54727949@looktowindward.com>

I know a really good way to do this but it will require a  
modification to your hardware.

You just wire up the "000" key to an electric shock generator which  
increases in voltage the more times it is pressed. Should do the  
trick nicely!

All the Best
Dave

On 7 Mar 2007, at 18:00, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> I'd like to do the following.  If 000 is typed at superhuman speed,  
> only the
> first 0 should make it into a field.  But if 000 is typed at normal  
> human
> rates, all three should.
>
> Can you think of any way to do this?
>
> The problem is a keypad with a 000 key right next to the 0 key.   
> All it does
> is keypress followed by keyrelease, superfast, three times.  I know  
> the users
> are going to press it by mistake, and then they are going to get very
> flustered when they see their amounts in thousands not tens.  So  
> I'd like
> some way to make it just result in one 0 being entered.
>
> Grateful as ever for any hints!
>
> Peter
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From gwills at ozemail.com.au  Thu Mar  8 05:20:18 2007
From: gwills at ozemail.com.au (Greg Wills)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 19:50:18 +0930
Subject: Sorting Text
In-Reply-To: <20070307122009.616E64890C4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070307122009.616E64890C4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <168083d184ff572a0e98507c134c0428@ozemail.com.au>

Ahh, this list amazes me with peoples generosity and knowledge. Thank 
you to those who provided an answer. It is much appreciated. I will put 
your suggestions to use in the next few days.

cheers

Greg


From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Thu Mar  8 06:20:44 2007
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 12:20:44 +0100
Subject: shell() in a separate thread with callback message at exit?
In-Reply-To: <20070216043334.4836B489015@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070216043334.4836B489015@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <609CCAD4-DEE7-4893-93C6-D6F12C9EE8CB@net2000.ch>

How can I implement the following features:

- invoque a shell command in a separate thread, i.e. a non blocking  
shell during execution of the command;
- receive a callback message with the output and the error result  
when the thread exits?

This would be some function similar to the load command, i.e.:

    shellExecute commandLine [with message callbackMessage]

where
   The commandLine is a string or an expression that evaluates to a  
string.
   The callbackMessage is the name of a message to send after the  
shell exited.

The callbackMessage signature would be:

   on <callbackMessage> pCmdOutput,pCmdError,pShellError

where
   - pCmdOutput is the value returned by the shell function, i.e. the  
result of the sdtout commandLine, including any error messages the  
commandLine generates.
   - pCmdError is the error the command generate (sdterr under unix).
   - pShellError is the shell command's exit code.


If I remember well the externals API allows for such threading and  
callback but I am not a C expert. Could anyone give me refs/pointers  
to a solution? I need a multiplatform solution.

Thanks a lot !  Jo?l




From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar  8 06:31:19 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 11:31:19 +0000
Subject: shell() in a separate thread with callback message at exit?
In-Reply-To: <609CCAD4-DEE7-4893-93C6-D6F12C9EE8CB@net2000.ch>
References: <20070216043334.4836B489015@mail.runrev.com>
	<609CCAD4-DEE7-4893-93C6-D6F12C9EE8CB@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <630D8812-5AFC-4015-AE3C-3F2AD2F8C7A1@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

What platforms are you supporting?

If it is Mac only then I think you can achieve this using an  
AppleScript and AppleEvents.

Let me know and I'll let you have more details.

All the Best
Dave

On 8 Mar 2007, at 11:20, Joel Guillod wrote:

> How can I implement the following features:
>
> - invoque a shell command in a separate thread, i.e. a non blocking  
> shell during execution of the command;
> - receive a callback message with the output and the error result  
> when the thread exits?
>
> This would be some function similar to the load command, i.e.:
>
>    shellExecute commandLine [with message callbackMessage]
>
> where
>   The commandLine is a string or an expression that evaluates to a  
> string.
>   The callbackMessage is the name of a message to send after the  
> shell exited.
>
> The callbackMessage signature would be:
>
>   on <callbackMessage> pCmdOutput,pCmdError,pShellError
>
> where
>   - pCmdOutput is the value returned by the shell function, i.e.  
> the result of the sdtout commandLine, including any error messages  
> the commandLine generates.
>   - pCmdError is the error the command generate (sdterr under unix).
>   - pShellError is the shell command's exit code.
>
>
> If I remember well the externals API allows for such threading and  
> callback but I am not a C expert. Could anyone give me refs/ 
> pointers to a solution? I need a multiplatform solution.
>
> Thanks a lot !  Jo?l
>
>
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From mlange at widged.com  Thu Mar  8 07:28:54 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 12:28:54 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <24037326-70AC-474F-90A2-3B93E849E585@looktowindward.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<FF59A24A-4CFF-4868-A2D8-293E56EF68F8@looktowindward.com>
	<F35D0B20-7760-452A-B09D-8505ED26526C@widged.com>
	<573E2882-E4E8-48A9-9E3E-0595D9163E4C@looktowindward.com>
	<29DBE416-7572-48CE-9051-6FB3F86EF3B3@widged.com>
	<37AC4F9D-87F0-44A4-8480-F1C66865BFC8@looktowindward.com>
	<51139399-53A6-472B-919E-FF63D129A7CD@anachreon.co.uk>
	<24037326-70AC-474F-90A2-3B93E849E585@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <467A14B0-B473-44E8-990F-836C3B0A6CF1@widged.com>

> Yes, but if you grind *huge* stones down into sand, you will get  
> even more into the vase and it takes less time.
>
> I like analogies too!

Things are not what they seem to be, nor are they otherwise... --  
Lankavatarasutra

:-D
Marielle



From nickp at didata.bw  Thu Mar  8 08:12:36 2007
From: nickp at didata.bw (Nic Prioleau)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 15:12:36 +0200
Subject: memory leak
Message-ID: <001601c76183$70cbe850$480aa8c0@didata.bw>

Hi,
 
I have an app that uses as auto update stack which is also compiled as my standalone. It launches "mainstack" stack that connects to mySQL. I have put my externals reference into the "mainStack" as follows:
 
Put sys_appPath(true) & "/data/externals/revxml.dll" &cr after tExternals
Put sys_appPath(true) & "/data/externals/dbMysql.dll" &cr after tExternals (and so on)

Set the externals of this stack to tExternals
Put sys_AppPath(true) & "/data/externals/" into theDrivers
RevSetDatabaseDriverPath theDrivers
 
This actually works fine with no errors or anything but when I CLOSE my standalone app, I am getting an error "mcDummy - the instruction at ..... Referenced memory at ..... The memory could no be read"
 
I really am stumped here coz this was never happening before and I obviously changed something without realising and have not been able to get rid of this problem. I do know that when I remove the "data" directory, I no longer have the problem but then I cannot connect to my DB!!
 
Any suggestions??
 
Thanks
Regards
Nic
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From mlange at widged.com  Thu Mar  8 08:42:47 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:42:47 +0000
Subject: image flipping problem -- bug entry?
Message-ID: <12E4328A-BBFE-4F07-9842-4BFA994697F3@widged.com>

Somebody mentioned an issue with image flipping on the list but I  
cannot find a report in quality center. I have a little demo stack  
ready to upload there. A search on flip doesn't return any  
appropriate entry.

If there is one, let me know, otherwise, I will enter one.

The problem is: when flipping images that contain graded alpha values  
(typically a png image), the image is reduced to one with categorical  
alpha (either fully transparent either fully opaque). A second issue  
is that on first flipping, a small dashed border may appear. 2.8,  
build 360, MacOSX.

Best regards,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education







From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Thu Mar  8 09:28:22 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 06:28:22 -0800
Subject: Something handy
In-Reply-To: <7CD2FA15-0F92-4E31-8B0E-3E713436BEF4@Cox.Net>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<7CD2FA15-0F92-4E31-8B0E-3E713436BEF4@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <369E4E6F-6A78-4724-B9E6-04270D707819@Cox.Net>

Hi all,

One of the other lists to which I subscribe had the following hint  
that you may find useful in OSX.

I'm just wondering if everyone else is aware of something I find very  
handy. When an app  hangs, you can usually force quit by clicking and  
holding its icon in the dock... A menu will pop up offering "Force  
quit," and choosing it will do so without asking for confirmation or  
leaving behind a window you must dismiss. I find it much more  
convenient than cmd-opt-esc.

Also, the cmd-opt-esc may not apply to Rev; I've never tried either  
one. My thanks to Jay Reeve for his insight.

Cheers,

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 7, 2007, at 6:20 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Back at the beginning of the new millennium I wrote an article  
> entitled "Blue Beard and Captain Kidd" for the original  
> Macinstruct.com. Following a similar theme with an article this  
> past week on the  Runtime Revolution Newsletter, I was prompted to  
> reprint my earlier effort. It should be recommended reading to all  
> who write and use software on any platform.
>
> <http://www.macinstruct.com/node/67>
>
> Enjoy,
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Mar  8 10:08:26 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:08:26 -0600
Subject: Something handy
In-Reply-To: <369E4E6F-6A78-4724-B9E6-04270D707819@Cox.Net>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<7CD2FA15-0F92-4E31-8B0E-3E713436BEF4@Cox.Net>
	<369E4E6F-6A78-4724-B9E6-04270D707819@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <p06240802c215d6994dc7@[192.168.1.101]>

After a hang, there is a FORCE QUIT item in the OSX dock icon menu. 
Clicking and holding will reveal the menu. It's been there for a 
while. Are you sure you didnn't just get lucky with the right menu 
item or does it work without selecting one of the items??

>Hi all,
>
>One of the other lists to which I subscribe had the following hint 
>that you may find useful in OSX.
>
>I'm just wondering if everyone else is aware of something I find 
>very handy. When an app  hangs, you can usually force quit by 
>clicking and holding its icon in the dock... A menu will pop up 
>offering "Force quit," and choosing it will do so without asking for 
>confirmation or leaving behind a window you must dismiss. I find it 
>much more convenient than cmd-opt-esc.
>
>Also, the cmd-opt-esc may not apply to Rev; I've never tried either 
>one. My thanks to Jay Reeve for his insight.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Joe Wilkins

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Mar  8 10:14:39 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 12:14:39 -0300
Subject: Something handy
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c215d6994dc7@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<7CD2FA15-0F92-4E31-8B0E-3E713436BEF4@Cox.Net>
	<369E4E6F-6A78-4724-B9E6-04270D707819@Cox.Net>
	<p06240802c215d6994dc7@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <EE981C2A-A261-430D-B3CB-9F5B737D83B7@mac.com>

you can also select force quit from the apple menu...

or kill the process from the terminal...

the tricky thing is when a process hang while you're shutting down  
the machine and you can't use the mouse or keyboard anymore...

On Mar 8, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> After a hang, there is a FORCE QUIT item in the OSX dock icon menu.  
> Clicking and holding will reveal the menu. It's been there for a  
> while. Are you sure you didnn't just get lucky with the right menu  
> item or does it work without selecting one of the items??
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> One of the other lists to which I subscribe had the following hint  
>> that you may find useful in OSX.
>>
>> I'm just wondering if everyone else is aware of something I find  
>> very handy. When an app  hangs, you can usually force quit by  
>> clicking and holding its icon in the dock... A menu will pop up  
>> offering "Force quit," and choosing it will do so without asking  
>> for confirmation or leaving behind a window you must dismiss. I  
>> find it much more convenient than cmd-opt-esc.
>>
>> Also, the cmd-opt-esc may not apply to Rev; I've never tried  
>> either one. My thanks to Jay Reeve for his insight.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar  8 10:37:13 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 07:37:13 -0800
Subject: Moving a File
Message-ID: <45F02DA9.80705@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
> On 7 Mar 2007, at 18:14, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> One advantage to entering the report yourself is that you will get  
>> emails as your bug progresses through the system so that you are  
>> kept informed. If an RR employee enters the bug for for you, they  
>> will get the emails instead. Another reason to enter it yourself is  
>> that the report will be filed immediately. If the support team does  
>> it for you, it may wait in a queue until someone has time to enter  
>> it. Eventually it will get entered though.
> 
> I'll enter it as soon as I can log on. My point is that for a 5  
> minute job of changing the docs is greatly extended thus wasting  
> resources.

It took me less than a minute to copy-and-paste your last suggestions 
into a new BZ report.

Anything beyond that, like the hour+ you've spent here on this one, is 
your own choice.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 11:00:59 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 08:00:59 -0800
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <36620B2D-BBB7-4A7E-8BED-24D59E6B4915@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C215733B.43C02%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I am on a wireless router and this worked.  Thanks for saving me the weekend
curled up with the man pages for tcpdump.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/8/07 12:05 AM, "Dave Cragg" <dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:

> Are you on a wireless connection? Try the following to get a list of
> interfaces:
> 
> sudo tcpdump -D
> Password:
> 
> On my machine, this produces the following:
> 
> 1.en0
> 2.fw0
> 3.wlt1
> 4.lo0
> 
> Assuming wlt1 is the wireless interface,
> 
> sudo tcpdump -i 3
> 
> Which produces the following here:
> 
> tcpdump: WARNING: wlt1: no IPv4 address assigned
> tcpdump: verbose output suppressed, use -v or -vv for full protocol
> decode
> listening on wlt1, link-type IEEE802_11_RADIO (802.11 plus BSD radio
> information header), capture size 96 bytes
> 
> But will presumably give results if wi-fi is enabled.
> 




From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar  8 11:09:15 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:09:15 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45F02DA9.80705@fourthworld.com>
References: <45F02DA9.80705@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <476B06DE-3AEE-4B7A-B059-65931BE61971@looktowindward.com>


On 8 Mar 2007, at 15:37, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> On 7 Mar 2007, at 18:14, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>> One advantage to entering the report yourself is that you will  
>>> get  emails as your bug progresses through the system so that you  
>>> are  kept informed. If an RR employee enters the bug for for you,  
>>> they  will get the emails instead. Another reason to enter it  
>>> yourself is  that the report will be filed immediately. If the  
>>> support team does  it for you, it may wait in a queue until  
>>> someone has time to enter  it. Eventually it will get entered  
>>> though.
>> I'll enter it as soon as I can log on. My point is that for a 5   
>> minute job of changing the docs is greatly extended thus wasting   
>> resources.
>
> It took me less than a minute to copy-and-paste your last  
> suggestions into a new BZ report.
>

I wasn't so much thinking how long it would take me to fill in the  
report, as I've said over and over again I'll fill it out once I get  
home at the weekend.

I was more thinking about the others that would waste time  
considering whether or not to vote for it, plus the wasted time for  
the people at RunRev to look at it in the database and schedule it in  
or whatever they do, when in this and other cases like it (of which  
there are quite a few) where all that is needed is a few lines added  
to a text file and it doesn't affect the main RR application then it  
could just be done there are then, thus cutting out a lot of needless  
red tape. This would also have the benefit that the online help would  
more helpful more quickly and also help to show that things were  
improving.

> Anything beyond that, like the hour+ you've spent here on this one,  
> is your own choice.

Yes, I agree, my own choice and thank you for recognizing that choice.

All the Best
Dave




From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Thu Mar  8 11:57:05 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 08:57:05 -0800
Subject: Something handy
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c215d6994dc7@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<7CD2FA15-0F92-4E31-8B0E-3E713436BEF4@Cox.Net>
	<369E4E6F-6A78-4724-B9E6-04270D707819@Cox.Net>
	<p06240802c215d6994dc7@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <8EFD9DF2-34C6-4DBC-B84E-89BB94A26619@Cox.Net>

Stephen,

I was just passing on some information. As I said, I haven't used it  
myself so I don't know the exact details.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 8, 2007, at 7:08 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> After a hang, there is a FORCE QUIT item in the OSX dock icon menu.  
> Clicking and holding will reveal the menu. It's been there for a  
> while. Are you sure you didnn't just get lucky with the right menu  
> item or does it work without selecting one of the items??
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> One of the other lists to which I subscribe had the following hint  
>> that you may find useful in OSX.
>>
>> I'm just wondering if everyone else is aware of something I find  
>> very handy. When an app  hangs, you can usually force quit by  
>> clicking and holding its icon in the dock... A menu will pop up  
>> offering "Force quit," and choosing it will do so without asking  
>> for confirmation or leaving behind a window you must dismiss. I  
>> find it much more convenient than cmd-opt-esc.
>>
>> Also, the cmd-opt-esc may not apply to Rev; I've never tried  
>> either one. My thanks to Jay Reeve for his insight.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  8 12:48:07 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:48:07 -0600
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <476B06DE-3AEE-4B7A-B059-65931BE61971@looktowindward.com>
References: <45F02DA9.80705@fourthworld.com>
	<476B06DE-3AEE-4B7A-B059-65931BE61971@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <45F04C57.8070003@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:

> I was more thinking about the others that would waste time considering 
> whether or not to vote for it, plus the wasted time for the people at 
> RunRev to look at it in the database and schedule it in or whatever they 
> do, 

I hate to continue this thread, but just for clarification, votes have 
no weight at all in "bugs" like this one. Any bug report about a crash, 
or a documentation error, or anything similar will be fixed without 
regard to votes at all. In general, voting only has weight when 
relatively minor bugs are being considered (or feature requests) and the 
team members want to get an idea of how many people think the issue is 
important. Even then, votes are only one of many considerations that 
apply when they choose what to work on. Documentation errors require no 
votes at all, nor should they. Crashes are always fixed with top priority.

Regarding the team "wasting time" reading Bugzilla: the team uses the 
database as a checklist, and it actually saves them a great deal of time 
because it provides a consolidated list for them to consult. They don't 
have time to monitor the mailing list for issues. If your issue isn't on 
the checklist, they won't see it. That's all there is to it.

Someone on the team looks at the database daily. I understand that it 
takes some effort to enter issues into the database, and the team is 
very grateful to those who do. If something is important to you, the one 
and only way to bring it to their attention is to get it onto that 
checklist somehow; you can do that by entering a report yourself or by 
writing to either of the email addresses that have been mentioned here.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From tekne at gruppoparentesi.it  Thu Mar  8 12:52:18 2007
From: tekne at gruppoparentesi.it (TEKNE informatica & comunicazione)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:52:18 +0100
Subject: MySQL has gone away
Message-ID: <C2160BE2.16082%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>

Do you know if there is a relationship between the socket timeout and the
connection to a MySQL server with the revOpenDatabase function?
When I am connected to a remote server machine and I don't send a query for
more than 5 minutes, I obtain the error  "MySQL has gone away".
PS
I have tuned the server system variables in order to have a good connection
(wait_timeout, max_allowad_packets, etc.).
If I make the connection from the LAN I don't have this error!

Thank you for your suggestions.

Riccardo



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  8 12:52:49 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:52:49 -0600
Subject: Something handy
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c215d6994dc7@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>	<CA725DB5-97A3-42B7-AADE-53C93C6CCA4C@looktowindward.com>	<p06240801c213e86bc260@[192.168.1.101]>	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>	<7CD2FA15-0F92-4E31-8B0E-3E713436BEF4@Cox.Net>	<369E4E6F-6A78-4724-B9E6-04270D707819@Cox.Net>
	<p06240802c215d6994dc7@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <45F04D71.8010906@hyperactivesw.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:
> After a hang, there is a FORCE QUIT item in the OSX dock icon menu. 
> Clicking and holding will reveal the menu. 

Even better, you can get the "force quit" menu item even for an app that 
isn't hung. This is handy when you know your app is in a loop but the OS 
hasn't figured that out yet, or when you know your standalone is about 
to do something destructive and you need to intervene immediately. To 
force a "force quit", hold down on the Dock item until the menu appears, 
and then depress the Option key. The "Quit" menu item will change to 
"Force Quit" and you are out of there instantly.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar  8 13:08:07 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 12:08:07 -0600
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <45EFA6A6.7010309@fourthworld.com>
References: <45EFA6A6.7010309@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <45F05107.1040908@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> I bet it would be possible to build a Rev interface and have a 
>> customized monitor window. ;) Thinkety thinkety...
> 
> GMTA:
> <http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/2110>
> 

Cool. Shouldn't take long to modify that. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar  8 13:12:48 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 15:12:48 -0300
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
Message-ID: <45F05220.5030801@howsoft.com>

Just quickly Luis:

>Out of curiosity: If you have a second USB flash drive, and you plug 
that in as well, does it make any difference?

My wife tried to buy me a 2nd pendrive last week, but the max size they 
had was 1GB. I'm looking for a 2GB drive so that perhaps I can run 
Ubuntu from it later on. Sorry, no go at the moment.

 >Spotted this bug in the Ubuntu support, is it the same one you're 
referring to? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/2436

No, the report I put in myself is this one:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/88229

I have the awful feeling this really is supposed to be a feature. If you 
try to execute a Rev app from the pendrive it comes up with a message 
saying that there is no available software for its installation. What 
worries me is the possibility that soon it will also be impossible to 
run Rev standalone apps from the Desktop or anywhere else for that 
matter without a setup procedure. There are perhaps security 
considerations involved here, but in practical terms it would be a 
disaster for the portability of Rev apps (and possibly Rebol apps too).

To me, this is an extremely important issue. I have informed Kevin about 
it and I have tried to take it up with Ubuntu, but so far nobody has 
demonstrated any interest. I am beginning to wonder why I should bother 
to bust my own guts over it. Que sera sera???

Bob



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu Mar  8 16:59:37 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 21:59:37 +0000
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
In-Reply-To: <45F05220.5030801@howsoft.com>
References: <45F05220.5030801@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <7693E4C9-3008-4BB9-BA58-84A0EBD734DD@anachreon.co.uk>


On 8 Mar 2007, at 18:12, Bob Warren wrote:
>
> >Spotted this bug in the Ubuntu support, is it the same one you're  
> referring to? https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/2436
>
> No, the report I put in myself is this one:
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/88229

Oh yes, I remember reading that one.

>
> I have the awful feeling this really is supposed to be a feature.  
> If you try to execute a Rev app from the pendrive it comes up with  
> a message saying that there is no available software for its  
> installation. What worries me is the possibility that soon it will  
> also be impossible to run Rev standalone apps from the Desktop or  
> anywhere else for that matter without a setup procedure. There are  
> perhaps security considerations involved here, but in practical  
> terms it would be a disaster for the portability of Rev apps (and  
> possibly Rebol apps too).
>
> To me, this is an extremely important issue. I have informed Kevin  
> about it and I have tried to take it up with Ubuntu, but so far  
> nobody has demonstrated any interest. I am beginning to wonder why  
> I should bother to bust my own guts over it. Que sera sera???

:) From what I gather, from the little snippets here and there, that  
they are working on it: It looks like something in the new USB  
subsystem has not been initialised properly. There is a workaround,  
but I can't find it now... :(  The next big release is due out soon.  
Other than that I'd try installing 6.0.6 LTS and upgrading to 6.10 to  
see if it works.
I might have the chance to do this at the weekend, but I gotta figure  
why the box doesn't start now...

>
> Bob
>

Cheers,

Luis.




From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 17:01:28 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:01:28 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: First Steps with RunRev . . .
Message-ID: <889503.78580.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have recently been approached by a student at the
University of Hull (England) with a couple of
"bog-basic" requests for programming help:

1. A simple picture importer and movie displayer,

2. A simple text-styler.

These are, supposedly, part of this student's final
work at university - but, frankly, I wouldn't give
anybody a degree for this sort of pedestrian stuff.

The other thing I don't completely understand is that
this student claims to have worked quite extensively
with VB and C++, yet cannot do this sort of "lesson 1"
stuff.

Notwithstanding I am posting the 2 files (for other
people who think that they might be of some use) to
RevOnline:

TEXTRASAUR

and

IMPORT X

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

____________________________________________________________

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From mlange at widged.com  Thu Mar  8 17:01:42 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:01:42 +0000
Subject: image flipping problem -- bug entry?
Message-ID: <B9C12103-5A2C-49E6-98F5-86A1BA29EA61@widged.com>

The loss of quality of an image upon flipping has been reported as:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4512>

A visual illustration of the problem is provided at:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/attachment.cgi?id=627>
or you can try it for yourself using the demonstration stack
go url "http://revolution.widged.com/bugs/image_flipping_pb.rev"

related bug: 4098. Rotation looses the quality+transparency of the  
image, which has been confirmed on 2.8 by runrev staff yesterday  
(hey, they go through the list of bugs ;-) ).

A work around for this problem is to first parse the alphadata to  
replace all values under 15 by a value of 0 and all values over 240  
by a value of 255. Some code for manipulating the alphadata of a  
picture was provided at:
<http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=418>

Best,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 17:22:59 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 14:22:59 -0800
Subject: First Steps with RunRev . . .
In-Reply-To: <889503.78580.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C215CCC3.43C68%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Sounds like the degree is in 'finding others to do the work for you"

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/8/07 2:01 PM, "Richmond Mathewson" <geradamas at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I have recently been approached by a student at the
> University of Hull (England) with a couple of
> "bog-basic" requests for programming help:
> 
> 1. A simple picture importer and movie displayer,
> 
> 2. A simple text-styler.
> 
> These are, supposedly, part of this student's final
> work at university - but, frankly, I wouldn't give
> anybody a degree for this sort of pedestrian stuff.
> 
> The other thing I don't completely understand is that
> this student claims to have worked quite extensively
> with VB and C++, yet cannot do this sort of "lesson 1"
> stuff.
> 
> Notwithstanding I am posting the 2 files (for other
> people who think that they might be of some use) to
> RevOnline:
> 
> TEXTRASAUR
> 
> and
> 
> IMPORT X
> 




From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu Mar  8 17:35:01 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:35:01 +0000
Subject: First Steps with RunRev . . .
In-Reply-To: <C215CCC3.43C68%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C215CCC3.43C68%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7373F248-6A3D-438B-9E73-DC5D3F8B8E0A@anachreon.co.uk>

Management Degree? :P

Cheers,

Luis.


On 8 Mar 2007, at 22:22, Jim Ault wrote:

> Sounds like the degree is in 'finding others to do the work for you"
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On 3/8/07 2:01 PM, "Richmond Mathewson" <geradamas at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I have recently been approached by a student at the
>> University of Hull (England) with a couple of
>> "bog-basic" requests for programming help:
>>
>> 1. A simple picture importer and movie displayer,
>>
>> 2. A simple text-styler.
>>
>> These are, supposedly, part of this student's final
>> work at university - but, frankly, I wouldn't give
>> anybody a degree for this sort of pedestrian stuff.
>>
>> The other thing I don't completely understand is that
>> this student claims to have worked quite extensively
>> with VB and C++, yet cannot do this sort of "lesson 1"
>> stuff.
>>
>> Notwithstanding I am posting the 2 files (for other
>> people who think that they might be of some use) to
>> RevOnline:
>>
>> TEXTRASAUR
>>
>> and
>>
>> IMPORT X
>>
>
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Mar  8 17:47:08 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:47:08 -0600
Subject: MySQL has gone away
In-Reply-To: <C2160BE2.16082%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
References: <C2160BE2.16082%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
Message-ID: <p06240803c2164229834b@[192.168.1.101]>

this is more likely about the SQL server timeouts -- the server end, 
not your end. Some ISPs put short timeouts on their servers.

Even Dreamhost will drop after a few hours. I built a 'send in time' 
routine to ping the server every 3600 seconds to keep it alive. It 
basically calls itself forever until the app stops or it is told to 
stop. Works great.


>Do you know if there is a relationship between the socket timeout and the
>connection to a MySQL server with the revOpenDatabase function?
>When I am connected to a remote server machine and I don't send a query for
>more than 5 minutes, I obtain the error  "MySQL has gone away".
>PS
>I have tuned the server system variables in order to have a good connection
>(wait_timeout, max_allowad_packets, etc.).
>If I make the connection from the LAN I don't have this error!
>
>Thank you for your suggestions.
>
>Riccardo
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu Mar  8 17:51:35 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 22:51:35 +0000
Subject: iGame3D Rev External
Message-ID: <ACD728BC-F4CD-4AEF-B2D3-86AA422C0DF8@anachreon.co.uk>

http://www.igame3d.com/wordpress/?page_id=8

That ought to get some juices flowing...

Cheers,

Luis.




From userev at canelasoftware.com  Thu Mar  8 20:17:56 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:17:56 -0800
Subject: image flipping problem -- bug entry?
In-Reply-To: <12E4328A-BBFE-4F07-9842-4BFA994697F3@widged.com>
References: <12E4328A-BBFE-4F07-9842-4BFA994697F3@widged.com>
Message-ID: <48A4DC29-BF7D-4863-940E-3E4D68969F5F@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 8, 2007, at 5:42 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:

> Somebody mentioned an issue with image flipping on the list but I  
> cannot find a report in quality center. I have a little demo stack  
> ready to upload there. A search on flip doesn't return any  
> appropriate entry.
>
> If there is one, let me know, otherwise, I will enter one.
>
> The problem is: when flipping images that contain graded alpha  
> values (typically a png image), the image is reduced to one with  
> categorical alpha (either fully transparent either fully opaque). A  
> second issue is that on first flipping, a small dashed border may  
> appear. 2.8, build 360, MacOSX.


Hello Marielle,

I reported bug:  <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi? 
id=4499>
Its main focus was on a crash.  It does mention the strange grey  
dots, but may not get proper notice.  I think your post is important  
to get their attention on that bug.  I have seen the grey dotted line  
thing on both Macs and Win systems.  I have also seen that when  
flipping 10 images that have a resolution of 1800 x 1200 and  
displaying/hiding them quickly, Rev 2.8 gm3 crashes.  I am working on  
a full recipe for this.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Mar  8 20:23:24 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:23:24 -0800
Subject: image flipping problem -- bug entry?
In-Reply-To: <B9C12103-5A2C-49E6-98F5-86A1BA29EA61@widged.com>
Message-ID: <C215F70C.20DD3%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Marielle Lange wrote:

> The loss of quality of an image upon flipping has been reported as:
> <http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4512>

You can work around this by flipping alpha and imagedata.  I posted an
example stack that shows how.  Execute the following in your message box:

 go url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/flipimage.rev"

It's not as instantaneous as having the fix in the engine, but it should
provide better results, for the time being.  See the button script for
details.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com




From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Mar  9 01:19:13 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 00:19:13 -0600
Subject: iGame3D Rev External
In-Reply-To: <ACD728BC-F4CD-4AEF-B2D3-86AA422C0DF8@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <ACD728BC-F4CD-4AEF-B2D3-86AA422C0DF8@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <45F0FC61.4090209@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Though you may want to check your HTML... The link for the PC version is 
not correct.

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



Luis wrote:
> http://www.igame3d.com/wordpress/?page_id=8
> 
> That ought to get some juices flowing...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.
> 
> 
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From nickp at didata.bw  Fri Mar  9 01:51:10 2007
From: nickp at didata.bw (Nic Prioleau)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 08:51:10 +0200
Subject: Memory Leak
References: <ACD728BC-F4CD-4AEF-B2D3-86AA422C0DF8@anachreon.co.uk>
	<45F0FC61.4090209@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <005801c76217$5220ce40$480aa8c0@didata.bw>

I am experiencing problems with memory issues in a standalone app and it 
seems to have something to do with referencing externals (such as 
libmysql.dll, dbmysql.dll).

I use a standalone executable which acts as my "updater" and it launches the 
main app. Everything works perfectly ok but when I close down the app, I get 
that memory error. "The istruction at "0x01883da' referenced memory at 
'0x01513868'. The memory could not be "read""

Please can someone help coz this only started recently and I have never had 
this issue before.

Thanks
Nic 


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From nickp at didata.bw  Fri Mar  9 02:36:31 2007
From: nickp at didata.bw (Nic Prioleau)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:36:31 +0200
Subject: Memory Leak
References: <ACD728BC-F4CD-4AEF-B2D3-86AA422C0DF8@anachreon.co.uk><45F0FC61.4090209@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<005801c76217$5220ce40$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
Message-ID: <006101c7621d$a7b0e470$480aa8c0@didata.bw>

Nic Wrote
----- Original Message ----- 
>I am experiencing problems with memory issues in a standalone app and it 
>seems to have something to do with referencing externals (such as 
>libmysql.dll, dbmysql.dll).
>
> I use a standalone executable which acts as my "updater" and it launches 
> the main app. Everything works perfectly ok but when I close down the app, 
> I get that memory error. "The istruction at "0x01883da' referenced memory 
> at '0x01513868'. The memory could not be "read""
>
> Please can someone help coz this only started recently and I have never 
> had this issue before.
>
> Thanks
> Nic

Nic replies self:
I managed to fix this...

for anyone that may experience similar problems, I was not disconnecting my 
session with the database properly.

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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar  9 04:09:06 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:09:06 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45F04C57.8070003@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45F02DA9.80705@fourthworld.com>
	<476B06DE-3AEE-4B7A-B059-65931BE61971@looktowindward.com>
	<45F04C57.8070003@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D4ABEE96-8F81-4CD6-AA33-408231DF89F6@looktowindward.com>


On 8 Mar 2007, at 17:48, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
>> I was more thinking about the others that would waste time  
>> considering whether or not to vote for it, plus the wasted time  
>> for the people at RunRev to look at it in the database and  
>> schedule it in or whatever they do,
>
> I hate to continue this thread,

Why exactly?

> but just for clarification, votes have no weight at all in "bugs"  
> like this one. Any bug report about a crash, or a documentation  
> error, or anything similar will be fixed without regard to votes at  
> all. In general, voting only has weight when relatively minor bugs  
> are being considered (or feature requests) and the team members  
> want to get an idea of how many people think the issue is  
> important. Even then, votes are only one of many considerations  
> that apply when they choose what to work on. Documentation errors  
> require no votes at all, nor should they. Crashes are always fixed  
> with top priority.

Then why did people say they would vote for it if I entered it? If  
votes don't count as you say, then there is even less reason to enter  
it into the database in the first place!

> Regarding the team "wasting time" reading Bugzilla: the team uses  
> the database as a checklist, and it actually saves them a great  
> deal of time because it provides a consolidated list for them to  
> consult. They don't have time to monitor the mailing list for  
> issues. If your issue isn't on the checklist, they won't see it.  
> That's all there is to it.
> Someone on the team looks at the database daily. I understand that  
> it takes some effort to enter issues into the database, and the  
> team is very grateful to those who do. If something is important to  
> you, the one and only way to bring it to their attention is to get  
> it onto that checklist somehow; you can do that by entering a  
> report yourself or by writing to either of the email addresses that  
> have been mentioned here.

Exactly, if it were just "fixed" it wouldn't need to go into the  
database and they would have N less entries to look at.

All the Best
Dave



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 05:24:09 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:24:09 +0800
Subject: Something handy
In-Reply-To: <45F04D71.8010906@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45EDA20A.1080504@fourthworld.com>
	<p06240801c213e86bc260@192.168.1.101>
	<2479EFA9-D9BD-4CFA-9C39-E44F1612080D@looktowindward.com>
	<0533707E-617D-46B2-96F6-5AF4924655D2@widged.com>
	<A955547C-E598-4BBC-9197-D96834BEEE78@looktowindward.com>
	<D951CBD2-34F1-4397-A4F2-C57E29C668B9@widged.com>
	<7CD2FA15-0F92-4E31-8B0E-3E713436BEF4@Cox.Net>
	<369E4E6F-6A78-4724-B9E6-04270D707819@Cox.Net>
	<p06240802c215d6994dc7@192.168.1.101>
	<45F04D71.8010906@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703090224j2dc890bfoa0a5773833e436e3@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/9/07, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>
> To
> force a "force quit", hold down on the Dock item until the menu appears,
> and then depress the Option key. The "Quit" menu item will change to
> "Force Quit" and you are out of there instantly.
>
> Sometimes, not always, I find that in Rev in an infinite loop, if I can
get something other than my self induced faulty stack front most, ie, a
script window, or the online Docs, and I select "Quit" from the Dock, Rev
will ask me if I want to Save, I select yes and it then gracefully Quits.
Can sometimes save the last half dozen lines of code I've been pouring over.

Unfortunately sometimes Force Quit is the only option, but I now always try
the Dock's Quit first.

HTH


From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Fri Mar  9 07:03:10 2007
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 08:03:10 -0400
Subject: [OT] Just Something Fun...
In-Reply-To: <ACD728BC-F4CD-4AEF-B2D3-86AA422C0DF8@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C216C53E.B5B0%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

Something to lighten everyone's day... Jim

http://www.newportharbor.us/computerworks.htm
-- 

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<http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com>

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Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139







From wjm at wjm.org  Fri Mar  9 07:18:24 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 07:18:24 -0500
Subject: [OT] Just Something Fun...
References: <ACD728BC-F4CD-4AEF-B2D3-86AA422C0DF8@anachreon.co.uk>
	<C216C53E.B5B0%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <esrjah$smq$1@sea.gmane.org>

Reminds me of the xTalk message hierarchy :)

Jim Carwardine wrote:

> Something to lighten everyone's day... Jim
>
> http://www.newportharbor.us/computerworks.htm





From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Mar  9 08:05:24 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 13:05:24 +0000
Subject: iGame3D Rev External
In-Reply-To: <45F0FC61.4090209@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <ACD728BC-F4CD-4AEF-B2D3-86AA422C0DF8@anachreon.co.uk>
	<45F0FC61.4090209@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <45F15B94.3020705@anachreon.co.uk>

That'd be him, not me...

Cheers,

Luis.


Derek Bump wrote:
> Though you may want to check your HTML... The link for the PC version is 
> not correct.
> 
> Derek Bump
> Dreamscape Software
> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/
> 
> 
> 
> Luis wrote:
>> http://www.igame3d.com/wordpress/?page_id=8
>>
>> That ought to get some juices flowing...
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Luis.
>>
>>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar  9 08:38:33 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:38:33 +0000
Subject: [OT] Just Something Fun...
In-Reply-To: <C216C53E.B5B0%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
References: <C216C53E.B5B0%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <F3E681B6-DAE4-4BF3-999D-63AE52C7E75D@looktowindward.com>

Hi Jim,

Really Cool! Thanks for sharing!

All the Best
Dave

On 9 Mar 2007, at 12:03, Jim Carwardine wrote:

> Something to lighten everyone's day... Jim
>
> http://www.newportharbor.us/computerworks.htm
> -- 
>
> www.TalentSeeker.ca   www.HiringSmart.ca/ns   www.KeepingTheBest.ca/ns
> <http://www.OwnYourFuture-net.com>
>
> Own Your Future Consulting,
> 23 Shoal Cove Road, Seabright, Nova Scotia, Canada.  B3Z 3A9
> Phone: 902-823-2339. Fax: 902-823-2139
>



From alptex2 at orwell.net  Fri Mar  9 09:55:32 2007
From: alptex2 at orwell.net (Tim Ponn)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:55:32 -0500
Subject: Reading OSX mail attachments
Message-ID: <06C5F0B8-31D1-4D1C-83F7-B9CFE2C5CE2E@orwell.net>

Hello all,

I have a situation where customer orders come to me via email with a  
photo attachment.  It occurred to me that I could use rev to create a  
db front end that could be pointed at the appropriate mailbox folder  
and then have it extract each message.  Then, each message becomes a  
record in my db.

Extracting the data is a piece o cake.  Then I come to the  
attachment.  Apple apparently uses a compression technique to store  
the image (jpg, bmp, whatever) within each individual message.  Has  
anybody fiddled with reading and displaying these attachments?  Any  
thoughts?  Ideas?  Laughs? ;=)

Thanks in advance!

Best Regards,

Timothy R. Ponn




From mlange at widged.com  Fri Mar  9 10:25:53 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 15:25:53 +0000
Subject: image flipping problem -- bug entry?
In-Reply-To: <C215F70C.20DD3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C215F70C.20DD3%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <9139B4E0-6F48-4646-A460-42CC030CF876@widged.com>

Thanks Mark and Scott,

I have added the info you provided on the bug report.
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4512>

Note that, as I had marked the bug as major, the bug was confirmed  
yesterday by Oliver.

Marielle



From mlange at widged.com  Fri Mar  9 10:30:56 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 15:30:56 +0000
Subject: users in Central Scotland? 
Message-ID: <F513E342-4460-4ECA-B82D-4D63997D33DB@widged.com>

Dear Scottish users,

At the first meeting in Edinburgh, a bit less than a month ago, users  
present had asked to have Runrev be kind enough to forward an email  
for us to users in Scotland. Well rather than do that they proposed a  
meeting of their own, with a fee and guest speaker... and well that  
meeting was due to happen yesterday. Well this didn't happen.

If there are users who live in Central Scotland and are interested in  
regular join up together, please take contact with me and I will try  
and organize something.

Best regards,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education




From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar  9 10:31:50 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:31:50 -0300
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
Message-ID: <45F17DE6.4070005@howsoft.com>

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/88229

*Re: [Bug 88229] Re: Runtime Revolution progs do not run directly from 
pendrive in Feisty Herd 4* 
<https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/88229/comments/3> from Bob 
Warren <https://bugs.launchpad.net/%7Ewarren-howsoft> at 2007-03-09 
15:18:26 UTC

The inability to run Runtime Revolution standalone apps directly from
the pendrive in Feisty Herd 4 also applies to Rebol standalone apps. The
message given by Feisty is:

"Cannot open /media/KINGSTON/userapp
No application suitable for automatic installation is available for
handling this kind of file"

Such Runtime Revolution and Rebol apps are called "standalones" because
that is what they are meant to be: they do not at present require any
kind of installation and they can be run directly from any location in
the file system, including from media such as pendrives. Setup utilites
are not provided by Runtime Revolution or by Rebol simply because they
are not required, and as far as I know there is no such thing as a
general purpose setup utility provided by Ubuntu themselves.

If this is a new "feature" rather than a bug, will it later be extended
to other locations in the file system such as the Desktop or the User
Home folder? And if it is a "feature", what are its motives? Under this
scenario, existing applications written in RunRev or Rebol would be
completely clobbered!

Time has passed, April 19th is getting closer, and still there is no
report from Ubuntu as to whether this is a bug or a feature has appeared.

It should be understood that this is potentially a very serious matter
that perhaps requires treatment at the very highest level, and for this
reason I have sent copies of this post to Mr Kevin Miller of Runtime
Revolution and Mr Carl Sassenrath of Rebol Technologies.

Bob Warren




From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar  9 10:36:04 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 15:36:04 +0000
Subject: Neat Trick!
In-Reply-To: <C216C53E.B5B0%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
References: <C216C53E.B5B0%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <E67BA4A8-E453-470E-B467-1660990EE257@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I was trying to make a Generic Menubar Stack, but had the old problem  
that the text changes depending on the name of the application, e.g.  
"About thisApp",  "About thatApp", ""About theOtherApp". Anyway, I  
tried the following code and it worked! I hadn't realized before that  
a parameter to a "case" clause can be a variable, which really makes  
it a lot more powerful.

Just thought I'd share!

All the Best
Dave

---------------------------------------------------------------
--
--  menuPick
--
---------------------------------------------------------------
on menuPick theItemSelected
   local myMenuItemNumber
   local myAboutMenuItemText
   local myAboutBoxStackLongName

   --
   --  Pull out the Text for the About Box Item
   --
   put line -1 of the text of me into myAboutMenuItemText
   delete char 1 of myAboutMenuItemText
   switch theItemSelected
   case myAboutMenuItemText

     --
     --  Go to the About Window
     --
     put ISMGetStackForService(kAppServiceAboutBox) into  
myAboutBoxStackLongName
     if myAboutBoxStackLongName <> empty then
       go to stack myAboutBoxStackLongName
     end if
     break

   case "Help"
     break

   end switch
end menuPick




From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Mar  9 10:36:24 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 15:36:24 +0000
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
In-Reply-To: <45F17DE6.4070005@howsoft.com>
References: <45F17DE6.4070005@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <45F17EF8.3050300@anachreon.co.uk>

You should be making baseball bats... :)

Cheers,

Luis.


Bob Warren wrote:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/88229
> 
> *Re: [Bug 88229] Re: Runtime Revolution progs do not run directly from 
> pendrive in Feisty Herd 4* 
> <https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/88229/comments/3> from Bob 
> Warren <https://bugs.launchpad.net/%7Ewarren-howsoft> at 2007-03-09 
> 15:18:26 UTC
> 
> The inability to run Runtime Revolution standalone apps directly from
> the pendrive in Feisty Herd 4 also applies to Rebol standalone apps. The
> message given by Feisty is:
> 
> "Cannot open /media/KINGSTON/userapp
> No application suitable for automatic installation is available for
> handling this kind of file"
> 
> Such Runtime Revolution and Rebol apps are called "standalones" because
> that is what they are meant to be: they do not at present require any
> kind of installation and they can be run directly from any location in
> the file system, including from media such as pendrives. Setup utilites
> are not provided by Runtime Revolution or by Rebol simply because they
> are not required, and as far as I know there is no such thing as a
> general purpose setup utility provided by Ubuntu themselves.
> 
> If this is a new "feature" rather than a bug, will it later be extended
> to other locations in the file system such as the Desktop or the User
> Home folder? And if it is a "feature", what are its motives? Under this
> scenario, existing applications written in RunRev or Rebol would be
> completely clobbered!
> 
> Time has passed, April 19th is getting closer, and still there is no
> report from Ubuntu as to whether this is a bug or a feature has appeared.
> 
> It should be understood that this is potentially a very serious matter
> that perhaps requires treatment at the very highest level, and for this
> reason I have sent copies of this post to Mr Kevin Miller of Runtime
> Revolution and Mr Carl Sassenrath of Rebol Technologies.
> 
> Bob Warren
> 
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Fri Mar  9 10:40:40 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 16:40:40 +0100
Subject: Neat Trick!
In-Reply-To: <E67BA4A8-E453-470E-B467-1660990EE257@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <OF0E5474B3.BD3CA887-ONC1257299.0056030B-C1257299.00561F07@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi Dave,

you can always do this too:

on mousedown
  put "About" && the short name of this stack into last line of me
  pass mousedown
end mousedown

This way you always have the right about menu ;)

Cheers
---------------------=---------------------
Xavier Bury

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 09/03/2007 16:36:04:

> Hi All,
> 
> I was trying to make a Generic Menubar Stack, but had the old problem 
> that the text changes depending on the name of the application, e.g. 
> "About thisApp",  "About thatApp", ""About theOtherApp". Anyway, I 
> tried the following code and it worked! I hadn't realized before that 
> a parameter to a "case" clause can be a variable, which really makes 
> it a lot more powerful.
> 
> Just thought I'd share!
> 
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> --  menuPick
> --
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> on menuPick theItemSelected
>    local myMenuItemNumber
>    local myAboutMenuItemText
>    local myAboutBoxStackLongName
> 
>    --
>    --  Pull out the Text for the About Box Item
>    --
>    put line -1 of the text of me into myAboutMenuItemText
>    delete char 1 of myAboutMenuItemText
>    switch theItemSelected
>    case myAboutMenuItemText
> 
>      --
>      --  Go to the About Window
>      --
>      put ISMGetStackForService(kAppServiceAboutBox) into 
> myAboutBoxStackLongName
>      if myAboutBoxStackLongName <> empty then
>        go to stack myAboutBoxStackLongName
>      end if
>      break
> 
>    case "Help"
>      break
> 
>    end switch
> end menuPick
> 
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From ronald_zellner at mac.com  Thu Mar  8 14:49:31 2007
From: ronald_zellner at mac.com (Ronald Zellner)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 13:49:31 -0600
Subject: Basic SQL database question
Message-ID: <4782C10D-347F-4528-A7C3-6D287867D41F@mac.com>

I saw the response about using raw SQL, and I wasn't sure exactly  
what that meant.  Would it be essentially the same as the PHP code in  
a web-based file?  I found a lot of information on SQL queries, but I  
can't find much on creating new records.  Is there more information  
or an example available?

Thanks,
Ron Zellner


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Fri Mar  9 11:18:04 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:18:04 +0100
Subject: Basic SQL database question
In-Reply-To: <4782C10D-347F-4528-A7C3-6D287867D41F@mac.com>
References: <4782C10D-347F-4528-A7C3-6D287867D41F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <987A12F5-714A-46D1-9D4C-847F53E60EC6@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ronald,

You probably want to read this first:

<http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/tutorial.html>

Then read everything about the databases and sql in the Rev docs.

A useful tip: whenever you want to get data from the SQL server, even  
if you are only asking for a constant or a list of tables, use  
revDataFromQuery. To give the SQL server a command that shouldn't  
return data, use revExecuteSQL.

It is easiest to set up the server with a database and a table,  
first. You can create new tables from within Revolution, but it would  
be pretty hard to create new databases as well.

After installing MySQL, make sure to use old style password  
configuration, like this:

  set password for "tempUser" <at> "localhost"=OLD_PASSWORD("mypass");

also see: <http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.ide.revolution.user/ 
64012/match=password+mysql>

Best regards,

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 8-mrt-2007, om 20:49 heeft Ronald Zellner het volgende geschreven:

> I saw the response about using raw SQL, and I wasn't sure exactly  
> what that meant.  Would it be essentially the same as the PHP code  
> in a web-based file?  I found a lot of information on SQL queries,  
> but I can't find much on creating new records.  Is there more  
> information or an example available?
>
> Thanks,
> Ron Zellner
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar  9 11:47:33 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:47:33 -0600
Subject: Neat Trick!
In-Reply-To: <E67BA4A8-E453-470E-B467-1660990EE257@looktowindward.com>
References: <C216C53E.B5B0%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
	<E67BA4A8-E453-470E-B467-1660990EE257@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <20070309104733299131.9b0cf783@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 15:36:04 +0000, Dave wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I was trying to make a Generic Menubar Stack, but had the old problem 
> that the text changes depending on the name of the application, e.g. 
> "About thisApp",  "About thatApp", ""About theOtherApp". Anyway, I 
> tried the following code and it worked! I hadn't realized before that 
> a parameter to a "case" clause can be a variable, which really makes 
> it a lot more powerful.

Sweet! Thanks for sharing, Dave!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar  9 11:51:04 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:51:04 -0600
Subject: Reading OSX mail attachments
In-Reply-To: <06C5F0B8-31D1-4D1C-83F7-B9CFE2C5CE2E@orwell.net>
References: <06C5F0B8-31D1-4D1C-83F7-B9CFE2C5CE2E@orwell.net>
Message-ID: <20070309105104967891.1471552a@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:55:32 -0500, Tim Ponn wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I have a situation where customer orders come to me via email with a 
> photo attachment.  It occurred to me that I could use rev to create a 
> db front end that could be pointed at the appropriate mailbox folder 
> and then have it extract each message.  Then, each message becomes a 
> record in my db.
> 
> Extracting the data is a piece o cake.  Then I come to the 
> attachment.  Apple apparently uses a compression technique to store 
> the image (jpg, bmp, whatever) within each individual message.  Has 
> anybody fiddled with reading and displaying these attachments?  Any 
> thoughts?  Ideas?  Laughs? ;=)

Well, as a last resort you could leave it in Mail, and then use 
AppleScript to get at the message and its attachments. Barring that, I 
haven't had to read embedded mail attachments directly, but I'd assume 
they are either BinHexed or AppleDouble encoded...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar  9 12:06:54 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:06:54 -0600
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <D4ABEE96-8F81-4CD6-AA33-408231DF89F6@looktowindward.com>
References: <45F02DA9.80705@fourthworld.com>	<476B06DE-3AEE-4B7A-B059-65931BE61971@looktowindward.com>	<45F04C57.8070003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D4ABEE96-8F81-4CD6-AA33-408231DF89F6@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <45F1942E.1060607@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave asked:

> If votes 
> don't count as you say, then there is even less reason to enter it into 
> the database in the first place!

in reply to my statement:

>> the team uses the 
>> database as a checklist, and it actually saves them a great deal of 
>> time because it provides a consolidated list for them to consult. They 
>> don't have time to monitor the mailing list for issues.

I'm just not sure how to make it any clearer. If you have an issue you 
want addressed, put it into the checklist the team consults.

I'm done with this.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Mar  9 12:11:29 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 09:11:29 -0800
Subject: [OT] Interesting Vector API
Message-ID: <C216D541.20E6A%scott@tactilemedia.com>

OpenVG -- API for hardware accelerated two-dimensional vector and raster
graphics.  Might be worth watching due to cross-platform/cross-device goals.

http://www.khronos.org/openvg/

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Fri Mar  9 12:21:01 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:21:01 -0800
Subject: [OT] Just Something Fun...
In-Reply-To: <esrjah$smq$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <ACD728BC-F4CD-4AEF-B2D3-86AA422C0DF8@anachreon.co.uk><C216C53E.B5B0%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
	<esrjah$smq$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <004501c7626f$4fe99af0$6601a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

> Reminds me of the xTalk message hierarchy :)
> 
> Jim Carwardine wrote:
> 
> > Something to lighten everyone's day... Jim
> >
> > http://www.newportharbor.us/computerworks.htm

Reminds me of shipping products internationally, except its missing the half
dead donkey home delivery at the end (and the final death rattle that
happens .25 km prior to destination) :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com
 



From tekne at gruppoparentesi.it  Fri Mar  9 12:22:32 2007
From: tekne at gruppoparentesi.it (TEKNE informatica & comunicazione)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 18:22:32 +0100
Subject: MySQL has gone away
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c2164229834b@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <C2175668.160D7%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>

I have tried with a ping in a 'send in time' script but I get the same error
after a few minutes.
The mysql server is on my LAN; the server has also a WAN static IP.
When I am connected from the LAN to the server local IP, I don't get errors.
But if I am connected to the server WAN IP, after a few minutes of
inactivity, I get the error 'MySQL has gone away'



> Da: Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com>
> Risposta: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Data: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:47:08 -0600
> A: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Oggetto: Re: MySQL has gone away
> 
> this is more likely about the SQL server timeouts -- the server end,
> not your end. Some ISPs put short timeouts on their servers.
> 
> Even Dreamhost will drop after a few hours. I built a 'send in time'
> routine to ping the server every 3600 seconds to keep it alive. It
> basically calls itself forever until the app stops or it is told to
> stop. Works great.
> 
> 
>> Do you know if there is a relationship between the socket timeout and the
>> connection to a MySQL server with the revOpenDatabase function?
>> When I am connected to a remote server machine and I don't send a query for
>> more than 5 minutes, I obtain the error  "MySQL has gone away".
>> PS
>> I have tuned the server system variables in order to have a good connection
>> (wait_timeout, max_allowad_packets, etc.).
>> If I make the connection from the LAN I don't have this error!
>> 
>> Thank you for your suggestions.
>> 
>> Riccardo
>> 
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> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
> 
> 
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar  9 12:22:34 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:22:34 -0300
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
Message-ID: <45F197DA.1060000@howsoft.com>

When I get emotional, my grammar goes to the dogs. I should have said
this in my last post:

"Time has passed, April 19th (the date for launching Ubuntu Feisty Fawn)
is getting closer, and still there is no report from Ubuntu as to
whether this is a bug or a feature."

Now the next question. Would Rev/Linux apps run from a U3 Smart Drive? I
don't know nuffin about the subject, but I am about to acquire a 2GB
drive in the near future, and I would like to make sure it is
appropriate for my purposes.

And now the next question. If Rev apps no longer ran directly from the
Desktop in Ubuntu Feisty Fawn (Live CD), I might find it easy to believe
that some kind of security considerations were involved with this issue,
but that is not the case. They still run from the HD with no problems.
So if they actually do run from a U3 Smart Drive, is this whole thing
more related to security issues, or to the promotion of U3 drives in
preference to common ones? Or both?

No doubt those of you with more experience of these things can throw a
little light on the subject.

Bob




From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Mar  9 12:30:45 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:30:45 +0000
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
In-Reply-To: <45F197DA.1060000@howsoft.com>
References: <45F197DA.1060000@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <45F199C5.5090604@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Quickie before I head out: U3 is Windows only.

Cheers,

Luis.


Bob Warren wrote:
> When I get emotional, my grammar goes to the dogs. I should have said
> this in my last post:
> 
> "Time has passed, April 19th (the date for launching Ubuntu Feisty Fawn)
> is getting closer, and still there is no report from Ubuntu as to
> whether this is a bug or a feature."
> 
> Now the next question. Would Rev/Linux apps run from a U3 Smart Drive? I
> don't know nuffin about the subject, but I am about to acquire a 2GB
> drive in the near future, and I would like to make sure it is
> appropriate for my purposes.
> 
> And now the next question. If Rev apps no longer ran directly from the
> Desktop in Ubuntu Feisty Fawn (Live CD), I might find it easy to believe
> that some kind of security considerations were involved with this issue,
> but that is not the case. They still run from the HD with no problems.
> So if they actually do run from a U3 Smart Drive, is this whole thing
> more related to security issues, or to the promotion of U3 drives in
> preference to common ones? Or both?
> 
> No doubt those of you with more experience of these things can throw a
> little light on the subject.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar  9 12:40:53 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:40:53 -0300
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
Message-ID: <45F19C25.30003@howsoft.com>

Luis wrote:

 >The next big release is due out soon. Other than that I'd try 
installing 6.0.6 LTS and upgrading to 6.10 to see if it works.

----------------------
I have 6.06.1 installed. I don't want to upgrade to 6.10 because there 
are some things that do not work, and perhaps it was not such a hot 
release. But the next big release (Feisty) looks very promising, and if 
we can get the most important bugs out of the way well before April 
19th, so much the better. Hence, my tendency to use baseball bats...

Bob


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar  9 13:23:50 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 15:23:50 -0300
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
Message-ID: <45F1A636.2060509@howsoft.com>


Brian Murray wrote:
Re: [Bug 88229] Re: Runtime Revolution progs do not run directly from    
pendrive in Feisty Herd 4
> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 87627 ***
>
> Thanks for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make Ubuntu
> better.  However, this bug is a duplicate of bug 87627 and is being
> marked as such. That bug deals with USB devices being mounted noexec
> (with no execute permissions) as opposed to exec which is the way they
> used to be.  An update to gnome-mount has been released and that should
> resolve your issue.  Feel free to submit any future bugs you may find.
>
> ** Changed in: Ubuntu
>      Assignee: Brian Murray => (unassigned)
>        Status: Needs Info => Fix Released
>
> ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 87627
>    removable partitions are mounted noexec by default
>
>   
--------------------------------------------------------
OK, thank you very much Brian.
Now I can sleep at night!

Best regards,
Bob Warren
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually, I think I'll take up the manufacture of baseball bats, it's 
probably less frustrating than trying to program computers!





From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Mar  9 13:36:13 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:36:13 -0600
Subject: iGame3D Rev External
In-Reply-To: <45F15B94.3020705@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <ACD728BC-F4CD-4AEF-B2D3-86AA422C0DF8@anachreon.co.uk>	<45F0FC61.4090209@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<45F15B94.3020705@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <45F1A91D.4080404@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Luis wrote:
> That'd be him, not me...
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Luis.

Ah, sorry. :)  BTW:  I did get the PC version to download, but 
Revolution throws up error messages every time I try to run it (even 
with the externals in the Revolution folder).


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/






From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk  Fri Mar  9 15:22:11 2007
From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 20:22:11 +0000
Subject: Bluetooth physiological data acquisition
In-Reply-To: <20070308180005.6CC70489059@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070308180005.6CC70489059@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <875cde9846546387a61ccdd0d96b3d02@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>

Revvers,

Every now and then I have raised this on the list, but at last seem to 
be getting somewhere.  I have found some portable bluetooth 
physiological equipment which seems to be very flexible regarding ways 
of acquiring the data.  The most simple involves an invisible process 
writing 80 bytes to a single line file just about once a millisecond 
(overwriting the previous data).  My Rev application only needs to read 
relevant (2 to 4) bytes of that as often as I need (maybe 10-20 times a 
second for around half an hour ), and append that to a second file, 
which I can then parse and analyse later.  I estimate that the final 
result will be about 18,000 to 36,000 lines of data.

I plan to time it all with a 'send doit  to me in tmills milliseconds' 
but I go a bit vague beyond that.  Any suggestions about how to do the 
read-append as efficiently as possible?   Should I try to read the 
specific bytes I want, or read and append the lot, then pick out the 
parts I want later?  It may be a dumb question, but if the source file 
is in the same directory as the growing destination file, is it quicker 
than if the destination file is 'way over there' buried 6 deep in a 
different directory?  Does an append get slower the larger the 
destination file becomes? Finally, what is the most efficient way of 
making the data read conditional?  I had thought about putting a 
'repeat while' somewhere, but I am not sure where.

Best Wishes,

David Glasgow
Carlton Glasgow Partnership

http://www.i-psych.co.uk

From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Mar  9 15:22:00 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:22:00 -0800
Subject: iGame3D Rev External
In-Reply-To: <45F1A91D.4080404@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <ACD728BC-F4CD-4AEF-B2D3-86AA422C0DF8@anachreon.co.uk>
	<45F0FC61.4090209@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<45F15B94.3020705@anachreon.co.uk>
	<45F1A91D.4080404@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <7CD6A920-AB69-493F-9408-B2B560CF2397@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 9, 2007, at 10:36 AM, Derek Bump wrote:

> Luis wrote:
>> That'd be him, not me...
>> Cheers,
>> Luis.
>
> Ah, sorry. :)  BTW:  I did get the PC version to download, but  
> Revolution throws up error messages every time I try to run it  
> (even with the externals in the Revolution folder).

I had a great time playing the Ants game.  Nice demo for the technology.

-Mark


From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Mar  9 16:34:13 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:34:13 +0100
Subject: Bluetooth physiological data acquisition
In-Reply-To: <875cde9846546387a61ccdd0d96b3d02@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
References: <20070308180005.6CC70489059@mail.runrev.com>
	<875cde9846546387a61ccdd0d96b3d02@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DBDC47FB-3DD7-4DFD-BE12-5DC61A4D9F2F@maseurope.net>

I think I would have script locals to hold the names of source and  
destination files, and then simply write to the destination file each  
time new data is read, closing it only when finished:

local sSourceFile
local sDestFile

on run
   open file sDestFile for update
   nextUpdate
end run

on nextUpdate
   put char 5 to 8 (or whatever) of URL("file:" &  sSourceFile) into  
tData
   write tData to file sDestFile
   if (your exit condition) then
     endProcess
   else
     send "nextUpdate" to me in 300 milliseconds
  end if
end nextUpdate

on endProcess
   close file sDestFile
end endProcess


You get the idea...


Best,

Mark

On 9 Mar 2007, at 21:22, David Glasgow wrote:

> I plan to time it all with a 'send doit  to me in tmills  
> milliseconds' but I go a bit vague beyond that.  Any suggestions  
> about how to do the read-append as efficiently as possible?    
> Should I try to read the specific bytes I want, or read and append  
> the lot, then pick out the parts I want later?  It may be a dumb  
> question, but if the source file is in the same directory as the  
> growing destination file, is it quicker than if the destination  
> file is 'way over there' buried 6 deep in a different directory?   
> Does an append get slower the larger the destination file becomes?  
> Finally, what is the most efficient way of making the data read  
> conditional?  I had thought about putting a 'repeat while'  
> somewhere, but I am not sure where.



From mlange at widged.com  Fri Mar  9 17:02:30 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:02:30 +0000
Subject: iGame3D Rev External
In-Reply-To: <45F1A91D.4080404@dreamscapesoftware.com>
References: <ACD728BC-F4CD-4AEF-B2D3-86AA422C0DF8@anachreon.co.uk>	<45F0FC61.4090209@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<45F15B94.3020705@anachreon.co.uk>
	<45F1A91D.4080404@dreamscapesoftware.com>
Message-ID: <B7D5795C-CA26-4541-BFC4-7F82DFB9CD70@widged.com>

Hi Derek,

> Ah, sorry. :)  BTW:  I did get the PC version to download, but  
> Revolution throws up error messages every time I try to run it  
> (even with the externals in the Revolution folder).

Note that it doesn't go in the externals folder but in the Revolution  
folder itself. For instance, it is in the folder "2.7.4-gm-1" itself  
on my computer.

For those who want to see before trying, check out the screencast:
<http://www.igame3d.com/wordpress/?page_id=12>

Marielle



From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 16:52:18 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:52:18 -0700
Subject: Reading OSX mail attachments
In-Reply-To: <20070309105104967891.1471552a@sonsothunder.com>
References: <06C5F0B8-31D1-4D1C-83F7-B9CFE2C5CE2E@orwell.net>
	<20070309105104967891.1471552a@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <EFB69F69-121F-4C7A-9E2B-B6B55132CC98@gmail.com>

Hello.

I've done something similar with audio clips and those were in base  
64 format. A quick base64decode function call should do the trick.

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center

On Mar 9, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:55:32 -0500, Tim Ponn wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I have a situation where customer orders come to me via email with a
>> photo attachment.  It occurred to me that I could use rev to create a
>> db front end that could be pointed at the appropriate mailbox folder
>> and then have it extract each message.  Then, each message becomes a
>> record in my db.
>>
>> Extracting the data is a piece o cake.  Then I come to the
>> attachment.  Apple apparently uses a compression technique to store
>> the image (jpg, bmp, whatever) within each individual message.  Has
>> anybody fiddled with reading and displaying these attachments?  Any
>> thoughts?  Ideas?  Laughs? ;=)
>
> Well, as a last resort you could leave it in Mail, and then use
> AppleScript to get at the message and its attachments. Barring that, I
> haven't had to read embedded mail attachments directly, but I'd assume
> they are either BinHexed or AppleDouble encoded...
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Mar  9 17:44:57 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 14:44:57 -0800
Subject: Bluetooth physiological data acquisition
In-Reply-To: <DBDC47FB-3DD7-4DFD-BE12-5DC61A4D9F2F@maseurope.net>
References: <20070308180005.6CC70489059@mail.runrev.com>	<875cde9846546387a61ccdd0d96b3d02@dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk>
	<DBDC47FB-3DD7-4DFD-BE12-5DC61A4D9F2F@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <45F1E369.5020601@pdslabs.net>

Hi David,

Here's another approach:

To avoid spending time on file overhead during the data collection period, you 
could collect the data into a variable. Then when data collection is finished, 
write the variable (or put it into a local URL.)

Doing it this way also means the speed of putting the file in whatever location 
you choose is a non-issue.

Of course it could be that the amount of time needed to write to a file is 
negligible. In that case, I would probably use Mark's approach myself, since it 
leaves data on the HD if the app dies during the collection process.

HTH -
Phil Davis



Mark Smith wrote:
> I think I would have script locals to hold the names of source and 
> destination files, and then simply write to the destination file each 
> time new data is read, closing it only when finished:
> 
> local sSourceFile
> local sDestFile
> 
> on run
>   open file sDestFile for update
>   nextUpdate
> end run
> 
> on nextUpdate
>   put char 5 to 8 (or whatever) of URL("file:" &  sSourceFile) into tData
>   write tData to file sDestFile
>   if (your exit condition) then
>     endProcess
>   else
>     send "nextUpdate" to me in 300 milliseconds
>  end if
> end nextUpdate
> 
> on endProcess
>   close file sDestFile
> end endProcess
> 
> 
> You get the idea...
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 9 Mar 2007, at 21:22, David Glasgow wrote:
> 
>> I plan to time it all with a 'send doit  to me in tmills milliseconds' 
>> but I go a bit vague beyond that.  Any suggestions about how to do the 
>> read-append as efficiently as possible?   Should I try to read the 
>> specific bytes I want, or read and append the lot, then pick out the 
>> parts I want later?  It may be a dumb question, but if the source file 
>> is in the same directory as the growing destination file, is it 
>> quicker than if the destination file is 'way over there' buried 6 deep 
>> in a different directory?  Does an append get slower the larger the 
>> destination file becomes? Finally, what is the most efficient way of 
>> making the data read conditional?  I had thought about putting a 
>> 'repeat while' somewhere, but I am not sure where.


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Mar  9 18:39:58 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 23:39:58 +0000
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
In-Reply-To: <45F1A636.2060509@howsoft.com>
References: <45F1A636.2060509@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <6AF54881-7776-4E14-BA93-6190588B1236@anachreon.co.uk>

Just make sure they're not made of foam...!

Cheers,

Luis.


On 9 Mar 2007, at 18:23, Bob Warren wrote:

>
> Brian Murray wrote:
> Re: [Bug 88229] Re: Runtime Revolution progs do not run directly  
> from    pendrive in Feisty Herd 4
>> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 87627 ***
>>
>> Thanks for taking the time to report this bug and helping to make  
>> Ubuntu
>> better.  However, this bug is a duplicate of bug 87627 and is being
>> marked as such. That bug deals with USB devices being mounted noexec
>> (with no execute permissions) as opposed to exec which is the way  
>> they
>> used to be.  An update to gnome-mount has been released and that  
>> should
>> resolve your issue.  Feel free to submit any future bugs you may  
>> find.
>>
>> ** Changed in: Ubuntu
>>      Assignee: Brian Murray => (unassigned)
>>        Status: Needs Info => Fix Released
>>
>> ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 87627
>>    removable partitions are mounted noexec by default
>>
>>
> --------------------------------------------------------
> OK, thank you very much Brian.
> Now I can sleep at night!
>
> Best regards,
> Bob Warren
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ------------------------------
> Actually, I think I'll take up the manufacture of baseball bats,  
> it's probably less frustrating than trying to program computers!
>
>
>
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 19:24:39 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:24:39 +0800
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45F1942E.1060607@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45F02DA9.80705@fourthworld.com>
	<476B06DE-3AEE-4B7A-B059-65931BE61971@looktowindward.com>
	<45F04C57.8070003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D4ABEE96-8F81-4CD6-AA33-408231DF89F6@looktowindward.com>
	<45F1942E.1060607@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703091624mdbd2e00j47ba5923a89ae0c7@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/10/07, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>
> I'm just not sure how to make it any clearer.


Yes, puts into perspective how difficult it is to write technical
documentation when something so basic has been so thoroughly explained and
still some people don't understand.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar  9 20:25:39 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:25:39 -0800
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
In-Reply-To: <45F05220.5030801@howsoft.com>
References: <45F05220.5030801@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <11883144825.20070309172539@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Thursday, March 8, 2007, 10:12:48 AM, you wrote:

> My wife tried to buy me a 2nd pendrive last week, but the max size they
> had was 1GB. I'm looking for a 2GB drive so that perhaps I can run 
> Ubuntu from it later on. Sorry, no go at the moment.

Don't know about you, but I have been unable to install kubuntu onto a
2GB u3 drive. The installer doesn't recognize it as a device that can
be a candidate for installing (hard disk or cdrom device). I have
tried this with both 6.06 and 7.04. It doesn't appear to be a matter
of the u3 firmware, since that shouldn't affect a non-Windows system,
but rather that ubuntu doesn't seem to allow installing onto usb
devices at all.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From josh at dvcreators.net  Fri Mar  9 20:47:18 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 17:47:18 -0800
Subject: MySQL has gone away
In-Reply-To: <C2175668.160D7%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
References: <C2175668.160D7%tekne@gruppoparentesi.it>
Message-ID: <F3601C17-521E-4CCD-AE4C-3C302394AE8D@dvcreators.net>

The same thing happens here, my plan was to write an error handler  
that resetAll and initiated a new fresh connection to the MySQL server.

In our case it is our new MySQL server that falls asleep every day or  
two and refuses to process requests for several seconds due to an  
unknown problem. (The old one was more reliable!)


On Mar 9, 2007, at 9:22 AM, TEKNE informatica & comunicazione wrote:

> I have tried with a ping in a 'send in time' script but I get the  
> same error
> after a few minutes.
> The mysql server is on my LAN; the server has also a WAN static IP.
> When I am connected from the LAN to the server local IP, I don't  
> get errors.
> But if I am connected to the server WAN IP, after a few minutes of
> inactivity, I get the error 'MySQL has gone away'
>
>
>
>> Da: Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com>
>> Risposta: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Data: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 16:47:08 -0600
>> A: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>> Oggetto: Re: MySQL has gone away
>>
>> this is more likely about the SQL server timeouts -- the server end,
>> not your end. Some ISPs put short timeouts on their servers.
>>
>> Even Dreamhost will drop after a few hours. I built a 'send in time'
>> routine to ping the server every 3600 seconds to keep it alive. It
>> basically calls itself forever until the app stops or it is told to
>> stop. Works great.
>>
>>
>>> Do you know if there is a relationship between the socket timeout  
>>> and the
>>> connection to a MySQL server with the revOpenDatabase function?
>>> When I am connected to a remote server machine and I don't send a  
>>> query for
>>> more than 5 minutes, I obtain the error  "MySQL has gone away".
>>> PS
>>> I have tuned the server system variables in order to have a good  
>>> connection
>>> (wait_timeout, max_allowad_packets, etc.).
>>> If I make the connection from the LAN I don't have this error!
>>>
>>> Thank you for your suggestions.
>>>
>>> Riccardo
>>>
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>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>> stephen barncard
>> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
>> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>>
>>
>>
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 21:00:10 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:00:10 +0800
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <C215733B.43C02%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <36620B2D-BBB7-4A7E-8BED-24D59E6B4915@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<C215733B.43C02%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703091800o7da56da0oa12dcfd217fe5937@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/9/07, Jim Ault <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>  Thanks for saving me the weekend
> curled up with the man pages for tcpdump.


Not a great user of Widgets but like reading Man pages in Terminal even
less. For OSX users this Widget makes reading Man pages a little more
pleasant:

https://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/reference/nixmanual.html

Unfortunately it suffers one major drawback, you need to already know the
command whose man page you're looking for. That's why I like ManOpen which
has a great 'Apropos' feature which allows you to type in something like
'tcp' and it will list all Man pages with a match. You'll find it here:

http://www.clindberg.org/projects/ManOpen.htm

HTH


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 21:35:13 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:35:13 +0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <45E9CA51.4010503@howsoft.com>
References: <45E9CA51.4010503@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703091835j5fb4eebfw9f82e51c31def353@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/4/07, Bob Warren <bobwarren at howsoft.com> wrote:
>
> Such pirating will probably come to an end with the protective mechanisms
> of Windows Vista. (Personally, I think that this marks the beginning of the
> end of Microsoft. Allowing a certain amount of piracy was part of the secret
> of their success, related to the essential characteristic of wide
> distribution and fame.)


Was falling into that same dream that Vista had ended piracy and that would
bring the PC world to a watershed moment of deciding to Buy or go Unix. Was
bought back to reality just yesterday when talking to a work colleague who
mentioned he was on Vista. The first 'real' Vista user I've met. He was
enjoying it and only had a couple of compatibility problems. When I asked
him if he thought it was going to markedly reduce the piracy in the local
computer malls, he just smiled. Turns out he's been using a pirated copy of
Vista since day 1!

So apart from the 'developers' on this List who I assume are using legal
copies, 100% of the 'home users' I've met using Vista are using Pirated
copies (you can argue anything with statistics;-)


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 10 00:31:53 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:31:53 -0600
Subject: OT: Windows net traffic
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703091800o7da56da0oa12dcfd217fe5937@mail.gmail.com>
References: <36620B2D-BBB7-4A7E-8BED-24D59E6B4915@lacscentre.co.uk>	<C215733B.43C02%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<f73a98160703091800o7da56da0oa12dcfd217fe5937@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F242C9.2060009@hyperactivesw.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:
> That's why I like ManOpen which
> has a great 'Apropos' feature which allows you to type in something like
> 'tcp' and it will list all Man pages with a match. You'll find it here:
> 
> http://www.clindberg.org/projects/ManOpen.htm

Wish I'd known about this yesterday when I was buried in man pages. I 
just installed manopen, it's great. Thanks very much for the link.

(BTW, it's "html" on the end of the url.)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl  Sat Mar 10 02:32:35 2007
From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 08:32:35 +0100
Subject: Tables trouble
Message-ID: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>

Hi all,

Although I use RunRev a lot, table fields are new to me. There was no  
need for me to explore the possibilities of these before. Until now.  
So the problems I run into might be stupid beginners mistakes...

I figured out I can fill the table with tab delimited lines. So I  
populated the table with a 'put this into fld "table"' script. But as  
soon as I edit one of the cells, the entire table content is erased.  
 From then on, I can add as many cells as I like (manually) without  
erasing anything I typed before. But everything I enter using a  
script is bound to be erased after the first manual modification. Why?

Also, why is the textheight of a table field empty if a script tries  
to obtain it?

And why is the table field not responding like a normal field when I  
set the locktext to true?
I was hoping to make a table in which cells in certain columns act  
like checkboxes; I click on the cell and a dot or checkmark appears -  
I click on it again and it is toggled off. But although the locktext  
is true, the table remains editable and no mouseup event is sent to  
the field. Do I need to have a transparent button over the table to  
handle the mouseup events? Or is there some other clever solution to  
do this?

Terry


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Mar 10 06:37:57 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:37:57 +0100
Subject: Tables trouble
In-Reply-To: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Terry,

There are a lot of bugs in table objects. I'd recommend making your own.

Best,

Mark

--

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Consultancy and Software Engineering
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Op 10-mrt-2007, om 8:32 heeft Terry Vogelaar het volgende geschreven:

> Hi all,
>
> Although I use RunRev a lot, table fields are new to me. There was  
> no need for me to explore the possibilities of these before. Until  
> now. So the problems I run into might be stupid beginners mistakes...
<snip>



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sat Mar 10 10:40:59 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:40:59 -0300
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
Message-ID: <45F2D18B.6030302@howsoft.com>

In order to close this thread (since the problem has apparently been 
resolved), I would like to explain why I felt it necessary to use my 
baseball bat against Ubuntu.

There is an "anti-standalone" movement in the Linux community. How 
strong it is, I am not sure. This is what I said to Kevin on 21st Feb:

"This issue is a potential point of conflict between Rev and the Linux 
producers. When I suggested the use of standalones to the maker of 
Gambas, he gave me a very reasonable answer as to why he was totally 
against it. The point is that if apps depend on system libraries as they 
usually do in Windows, patches and security fixes to the libraries are 
automatically applicable to the apps. That would be fine if app 
installation in Linux (including Gambas) was not such a headache as it 
is currently. All we see at present is a state of total anarchy, 
complication and failure in this respect."

In fact, I am still not entirely convinced that this issue really began 
life in Feisty (/Gnome) as a bug or accident. Whatever, baseball bat 
being necessary or not, the situation seems to have come to a happy 
conclusion, at least for now.

Bob




From wjm at wjm.org  Sat Mar 10 11:06:52 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:06:52 -0500
Subject: Tables trouble
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>
	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>

> There are a lot of bugs in table objects. I'd recommend making your own.

While I agree that table objects are extremely limited, "making your own" is 
non-trivial and not something I would recommend unless you have a decent 
block of time to devote to it. The fact that we've never seen a 100% 
complete implementation of a custom table object from the community speaks 
to the difficulty of doing it. Most people who "roll their own" implement 
only the two or three aspects of a table they "really need" such as 
right-justification of "cells" or resizable columns.

> I figured out I can fill the table with tab delimited lines. So I 
> populated the table with a 'put this into fld "table"' script. But as 
> soon as I edit one of the cells, the entire table content is erased.  From 
> then on, I can add as many cells as I like (manually) without  erasing 
> anything I typed before. But everything I enter using a  script is bound 
> to be erased after the first manual modification. Why?

The answer here is to leave the "table object" check box UNCHECKED and 
simply use the "Vertical Grid" option. The reason why things disappear is 
that the "table object" option is basically causing the field to work a 
little differently than usual, creating a parallel data structure that is 
erased when the table is adjusted later on. There are a whole bunch of 
undocumented commands for working with tables that put things into cells and 
are supposed to handle things like number formatting, etc.

If what you're really trying to do is to line up numbers that you're loading 
via tab-delimited text, the "table object" isn't needed. Just use the 
vertical grid part and values won't disappear on you. 





From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 10 12:25:24 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:25:24 -0800
Subject: Having a Dialog Spoken
In-Reply-To: <esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>
	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>
	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>

Hi Everyone,

I should imagine there is a special way of having the contents of a  
Dialog spoken, though I don't readily find it.

TIA,

Joe Wilkins


From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Mar 10 12:26:06 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:26:06 +0100
Subject: how to get a list fleld whithout any hilitedLine (before user
	chooses one)
Message-ID: <4E8DAB21-E6AC-43E7-8D59-9A2673FBF175@inria.fr>

Hello,
I have fields set to ?  list behavior ?. They are including phrases  
on different topics (one topic per field).
These fields are hidden but the users can call them (one at a time)  
so that they be able to click on phrases to add them to, say, a  
?composing field?.

When these list fields appear, one of the lines is hilited.
I am trying, for at least one hour now, to get rid of that without  
any success: I would like that when such a list field is shown, none  
of its lines be hilited.

What?s the way to do that (if there is one) ?
Thanks a lot in advance for any help

Best regards from Grenoble
Andr?


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Mar 10 12:46:11 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:46:11 -0600
Subject: Tables trouble
In-Reply-To: <esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>
	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>
	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p06240802c2189b44386f@[192.168.1.101]>

There is one person on this list that got deep into the Rev tables, 
got them to sorta work and came up with a library of routines to deal 
with them.

go here
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution_didacticiels&l=en


and download TUTORIALS PICKER 2.0. The tutorials are often updated 
and the app checks every time on startup.

Or you can download just one tutorial at a time.
Here's the one for table fields:
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=telecharger&l=en&arch=tutorials/Managing%20Table%20Fields.rev.zip

  Eric Chatonet has a lot of great tools on his site, and knows his 
stuff. It's also the only place on earth you can get much info at all 
about Rev fields. However Eric has admitted that table fields are a 
PIA as currently offered, and incomplete and buggy. Just plain weird. 
I'm sure he did what he could

I'm sure Rev will have something better soon with the new engine 
already ready to go. For now, however, Eric's stack gives a lot of 
clues


If it is useful to you please leave a donation for Eric, because he's 
given a lot back to the Rev community.
-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Mar 10 12:48:09 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:48:09 -0600
Subject: Having a Dialog Spoken
In-Reply-To: <FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>
	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>
	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>

Make your own dialog and use revspeak( inside.
One could make a better answer and ask right away with better 
features, like auto selection of text as an option, etc. I made up 
some 'super' dialogs with scrolling lists, extra buttons and other 
options and it wasn't that hard.


sqb


>Hi Everyone,
>
>I should imagine there is a special way of having the contents of a 
>Dialog spoken, though I don't readily find it.
>
>TIA,
>
>Joe Wilkins

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 10 12:52:54 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:52:54 -0800
Subject: Having a Dialog Spoken
In-Reply-To: <p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>
	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>
	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>
	<p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>

Thanks, Stephen. I suspected that was my only option. Of course, that  
also  lets me do some other things I wanted to do, like colorize some  
of the text.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 10, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Make your own dialog and use revspeak( inside.
> One could make a better answer and ask right away with better  
> features, like auto selection of text as an option, etc. I made up  
> some 'super' dialogs with scrolling lists, extra buttons and other  
> options and it wasn't that hard.
>
>
> sqb
>
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I should imagine there is a special way of having the contents of  
>> a Dialog spoken, though I don't readily find it.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 13:04:24 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 18:04:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Word-Processor Icons
Message-ID: <534051.20894.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It Must Be The Weather . . . 

Having been 'suckered' to write somebody else's
software I prepared some images to use as icons in
Word-Processor ToolBars:

WP ICONS

at RevOnline

but FREE for those of you who do have morals about
pinching other people's work, time and effort!

Love, Abuse and "its nice to give as well as recieve",
Richmond Mathewson

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From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Sat Mar 10 13:34:37 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:34:37 -0600
Subject: iGame3D Rev External
In-Reply-To: <B7D5795C-CA26-4541-BFC4-7F82DFB9CD70@widged.com>
References: <ACD728BC-F4CD-4AEF-B2D3-86AA422C0DF8@anachreon.co.uk>	<45F0FC61.4090209@dreamscapesoftware.com>	<45F15B94.3020705@anachreon.co.uk>	<45F1A91D.4080404@dreamscapesoftware.com>
	<B7D5795C-CA26-4541-BFC4-7F82DFB9CD70@widged.com>
Message-ID: <45F2FA3D.4070300@dreamscapesoftware.com>

Marielle Lange wrote:
> Note that it doesn't go in the externals folder but in the Revolution 
> folder itself. For instance, it is in the folder "2.7.4-gm-1" itself on 
> my computer.

I tried that as well, and Revolution still threw up errors during startup.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/





From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Mar 10 13:40:10 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:40:10 -0800
Subject: how to get a list fleld whithout any hilitedLine (before user
 chooses one)
In-Reply-To: <4E8DAB21-E6AC-43E7-8D59-9A2673FBF175@inria.fr>
References: <4E8DAB21-E6AC-43E7-8D59-9A2673FBF175@inria.fr>
Message-ID: <45F2FB8A.3020607@pdslabs.net>

Hi Andr?,

Try something like this:

on showField pFieldName
   lock screen
   show fld pFieldName
   set the hilitedLines of fld pFieldName to empty
   unlock screen
end showField

This might not work because showing the field may give the field the focus, and 
that may trigger the hiliting of a line, thus undoing what 'set the 
hilitedLines...' did. But 'set the hilitedLines of fld x to empty' does work.

Phil Davis


Andr?.Bisseret wrote:
> Hello,
> I have fields set to ?  list behavior ?. They are including phrases on 
> different topics (one topic per field).
> These fields are hidden but the users can call them (one at a time) so 
> that they be able to click on phrases to add them to, say, a ?composing 
> field?.
> 
> When these list fields appear, one of the lines is hilited.
> I am trying, for at least one hour now, to get rid of that without any 
> success: I would like that when such a list field is shown, none of its 
> lines be hilited.
> 
> What?s the way to do that (if there is one) ?
> Thanks a lot in advance for any help
> 
> Best regards from Grenoble
> Andr?


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Mar 10 13:55:58 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:55:58 -0600
Subject: Having a Dialog Spoken
In-Reply-To: <7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>
	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>
	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>
	<p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>
	<7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <p06240804c218aec5cac7@[192.168.1.101]>

yes, you will be glad you did. The rev dialogs are very 'Bare bones'

Check out

Modal

  and

dialogData

in the docs

you can even do them as a command, like answer and get the result instead of it

>Thanks, Stephen. I suspected that was my only option. Of course, 
>that also  lets me do some other things I wanted to do, like 
>colorize some of the text.
>
>Joe Wilkins

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Sat Mar 10 14:18:13 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 20:18:13 +0100
Subject: how to get a list fleld whithout any hilitedLine (before user
	chooses one)
In-Reply-To: <45F2FB8A.3020607@pdslabs.net>
References: <4E8DAB21-E6AC-43E7-8D59-9A2673FBF175@inria.fr>
	<45F2FB8A.3020607@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <0AD3A67A-60A6-4CB9-BA56-8C0C567C9C84@inria.fr>

Hi Phil,
Among a lot of things, I think I tried "put empty into the  
hilitedLines of fld "theField" which did not work

Now, thanks to you, I show the field first and then I "set the  
hilitedLines of fld "theField" to empty
and it works nicely !
Thanks a lot, Phil, I am far more confortable now :-) and I can run  
forward :-))

all the best
Andr?

Le 10 mars 07 ? 19:40, Phil Davis a ?crit :

> Hi Andr?,
>
> Try something like this:
>
> on showField pFieldName
>   lock screen
>   show fld pFieldName
>   set the hilitedLines of fld pFieldName to empty
>   unlock screen
> end showField
>
> This might not work because showing the field may give the field  
> the focus, and that may trigger the hiliting of a line, thus  
> undoing what 'set the hilitedLines...' did. But 'set the  
> hilitedLines of fld x to empty' does work.
>
> Phil Davis
>
>




From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 10 14:31:15 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:31:15 -0800
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c218aec5cac7@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>
	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>
	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>
	<p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>
	<7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>
	<p06240804c218aec5cac7@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <45B26205-59B3-4606-80AF-FD33F640C3CC@Cox.Net>

Hi y'all,

Is there a known bug when trying to build a composite string  
(concatenating) using the ampersand? I've had to do a lengthy  
workaround for something that should have been very elementary.  It  
has to do with building a field name and putting it in quotes.

Joe Wilkins



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Mar 10 14:46:02 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:46:02 -0800
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <45B26205-59B3-4606-80AF-FD33F640C3CC@Cox.Net>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>	<p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>	<7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>	<p06240804c218aec5cac7@[192.168.1.101]>
	<45B26205-59B3-4606-80AF-FD33F640C3CC@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <45F30AFA.6020308@pdslabs.net>

Hi Joe -

Show us your code! We'll show you 6 different ways to fix it!  :o)

Phil Davis


Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Hi y'all,
> 
> Is there a known bug when trying to build a composite string 
> (concatenating) using the ampersand? I've had to do a lengthy workaround 
> for something that should have been very elementary.  It has to do with 
> building a field name and putting it in quotes.
> 
> Joe Wilkins


From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Sat Mar 10 15:00:33 2007
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:00:33 +0100
Subject: shell() in a separate thread with callback message at exit?
In-Reply-To: <20070308153745.4096F489089@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070308153745.4096F489089@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <FC7B7E17-C286-4339-B40F-D8D6DE8E4897@net2000.ch>

> What platforms are you supporting?
>
> If it is Mac only then I think you can achieve this using an  
> AppleScript and AppleEvents.
>
> Let me know and I'll let you have more details.

Yes, I would be very pleased to get the details for MacOSX. Also I  
need to support this feature under Windows but let us start with the  
Mac solution.

Thanks a lot,
Joel


> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 8 Mar 2007, at 11:20, Joel Guillod wrote:
>
>> How can I implement the following features:
>>
>> - invoque a shell command in a separate thread, i.e. a non  
>> blocking shell during execution of the command;
>> - receive a callback message with the output and the error result  
>> when the thread exits?
>>
>> This would be some function similar to the load command, i.e.:
>>
>>    shellExecute commandLine [with message callbackMessage]
>>
>> where ...



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 10 15:13:51 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 12:13:51 -0800
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <45F30AFA.6020308@pdslabs.net>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>	<p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>	<7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>	<p06240804c218aec5cac7@[192.168.1.101]>
	<45B26205-59B3-4606-80AF-FD33F640C3CC@Cox.Net>
	<45F30AFA.6020308@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <F64938C0-F556-4291-9124-77F301E0F94A@Cox.Net>

OK, Phil. I wasted about an hour fiddling with this. It just wouldn't  
compile. The result was always lineNumH instead of "1H" for the first  
line when it is clicked on.

-- I have a scrolling field with a bunch of numbered phrases. 
on mouseup
   put word one of the value of the clickline into lineNum --  
provides number w/ a periof
   delete last char of lineNum -- deletes the period
   put quote & "lineNum"&"H"&quote into fldName -- creates a field  
name such as "1H"
   send mouseup to field fldName -- sends the mouseup to the  
appropriate field

Good luck and TIA,

Joe wilkins

On Mar 10, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Phil Davis wrote:

> Hi Joe -
>
> Show us your code! We'll show you 6 different ways to fix it!  :o)
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> Hi y'all,
>> Is there a known bug when trying to build a composite string  
>> (concatenating) using the ampersand? I've had to do a lengthy  
>> workaround for something that should have been very elementary.   
>> It has to do with building a field name and putting it in quotes.
>> Joe Wilkins
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 16:04:51 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:04:51 -0800
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <F64938C0-F556-4291-9124-77F301E0F94A@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C2185D73.43D28%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


On 3/10/07 12:13 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> on mouseup
>    put word one of the value of the clickline into lineNum --
> provides number w/ a periof
>    delete last char of lineNum -- deletes the period
>    put quote & "lineNum"&"H"&quote into fldName -- creates a field
> name such as "1H"
>    send mouseup to field fldName -- sends the mouseup to the
> appropriate field


Not to steal Phil's chance, but here is my take on the situation.
I will offer 4 separate solutions, each shorter than the previous

on mouseup
  put word one of the value of the clickline into lineNum --  provides
number w/ a period
  delete last char of lineNum -- deletes the period
  
  put quote & "lineNum"&"H"&quote into fldName -- creates a field  name such
as "1H"
  --prev line looks like it uses the literal "lineNum"----
  --I think you want-----------------------------
  put  lineNum &"H" into fldName
  send mouseup to field fldName -- sends the mouseup to the  appropriate
field
  -- or ----------------------------------
  get lineNum &"H"
  send mouseup to field (it) -- sends the mouseup to the  appropriate field
   

   -- or  the whole script coud be a    3 liner------------------
   get word one of the value of the clickline
   put "H" into the last char of it
   send mouseup to field (it)
   
   -- or  the whole script coud be a    2 liner---------------------
   set the itemdel to "."
   send mouseup to field (item one of value(the clickline) &"H")

end mouseup


By the way, if the number of line that is clicked is always the same as the
number (eg line 20 has "20." as the first word, then you could use:

put word 2 of the clickline --which is word 2 of "line 20 of fld 3"


Hope this helps


Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 10 16:19:30 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:19:30 -0800
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <C2185D73.43D28%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2185D73.43D28%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4D4F9845-995E-44BE-B7D8-50F91515435A@Cox.Net>

Hi Jim,

Of course this also goes around the ampersand problem I was  
encountering, though your comment about the literal may have been the  
problem. I diddled with it so much that I'm not sure whether I had  
that problem earlier, or not.

I like your two liner, which had never occurred to me. The numbers  
ARE different, so your last thought won't work.

Thanks, Dave too!

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 10, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> set the itemdel to "."
>    send mouseup to field (item one of value(the clickline) &"H")



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 16:47:10 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 13:47:10 -0800
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <4D4F9845-995E-44BE-B7D8-50F91515435A@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C218675E.43D2D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/10/07 1:19 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> Of course this also goes around the ampersand problem I was
> encountering, though your comment about the literal may have been the
> problem. I diddled with it so much that I'm not sure whether I had
> that problem earlier, or not.
> 
> I like your two liner, which had never occurred to me. The numbers
> ARE different, so your last thought won't work.
> 
> On Mar 10, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
>> set the itemdel to "."
>>    send mouseup to field (item one of value(the clickline) &"H")
Joe,

The only time you need to worry about references being surrounded by quotes
is if there is ambiguity about the name...
 examples >>
fld, btn, group, image, graphic

--avoid using a reserved Rev word as a name
--   btn "image", fld "buttons", grc "btn"

instead use something like
--> btn image01, fld buttonsAll, grc btnA

avoid naming any card or object with just a number, since Rev may think

put "Day light savings this weekend" into fld "4"
--> could be the 4th field, even if it is not named "4"

The advantage of this in what you are doing in your original question with
building the field name from components is that you can avoid the need for
quote&variable&quote  syntax so your code stays cleaner and more readable.

When I have to build component strings, One trick I use is to use multiple
lines so I can see all the steps in the debugger.

put "rainy day" into var01
get var01
get it & space & quote & the short name of this card & quote & quote
get it & cr & "Time to do more Rev"
put it into msg

-- now stopping in the debugger will let you
-- examine the result of all of this and make corrections
breakpoint
get "fld" & space
get it & quote
get it & var02 & quote

this is easier to inspect all of the amp's until you get used to doing it in
your head.  The code runs just as fast as you will need it to go.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas









From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 10 17:22:30 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:22:30 -0800
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <C218675E.43D2D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C218675E.43D2D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B33C2F0C-6DB2-4220-B352-114D329FF97B@Cox.Net>

Appreciate the suggestions, Jim.

Joe Wilkins


From cszasz at mac.com  Sat Mar 10 23:33:01 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:33:01 -0500
Subject: Moving a checkbox
Message-ID: <D90C1C05-3244-441B-8AB9-F61DB01DDF6B@mac.com>

The following script works:
set the location of button "check6" to the location of this card

But when I add a condition such as a if statement it does not work.

Does anybody have a suggestion?


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Mar 10 23:35:10 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:35:10 -0600
Subject: Moving a checkbox
In-Reply-To: <D90C1C05-3244-441B-8AB9-F61DB01DDF6B@mac.com>
References: <D90C1C05-3244-441B-8AB9-F61DB01DDF6B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c219373ac622@[192.168.1.101]>

This is vague. We can't see the context. Could you post the code?


>The following script works:
>set the location of button "check6" to the location of this card
>
>But when I add a condition such as a if statement it does not work.
>
>Does anybody have a suggestion?
>
>
>Charles Szasz
>cszasz at mac.com

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sat Mar 10 23:52:45 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 01:52:45 -0300
Subject: Potential disaster for Rev/Linux pendrive apps
Message-ID: <45F38B1D.2040006@howsoft.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

>Don't know about you, but I have been unable to install kubuntu onto a
2GB u3 drive. The installer doesn't recognize it as a device that can
be a candidate for installing (hard disk or cdrom device). I have
tried this with both 6.06 and 7.04. It doesn't appear to be a matter
of the u3 firmware, since that shouldn't affect a non-Windows system,
but rather that ubuntu doesn't seem to allow installing onto usb
devices at all.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You're more advanced than I am, because I have not even bought my 2GB 
pendrive yet, let alone trying to install Ubuntu on it. But while I was 
browsing on the Internet the other day, I came across reports of people 
who had actually done it, and I even seem to remember finding 
instructions for doing the installation of Ubuntu. Unfortunately, I 
didn't keep a note of the sites. It seemed a bit complicated, and that 
was enough to put me off for the present. Hopefully, later, it will 
become as simple as it is with Puppy Linux, although that might not 
really materialize in view of the fact that Puppy runs 100% from memory, 
a very different structure to that of Ubuntu. Anyway, if I manage to 
find that info again, I'll let you know.

Bob



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sun Mar 11 00:30:11 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 02:30:11 -0300
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <45F393E3.1040504@howsoft.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:

>Was falling into that same dream that Vista had ended piracy and that would
bring the PC world to a watershed moment of deciding to Buy or go Unix. Was
bought back to reality just yesterday when talking to a work colleague who
mentioned he was on Vista. The first 'real' Vista user I've met. He was
enjoying it and only had a couple of compatibility problems. When I asked
him if he thought it was going to markedly reduce the piracy in the local
computer malls, he just smiled. Turns out he's been using a pirated copy of
Vista since day 1!

So apart from the 'developers' on this List who I assume are using legal
copies, 100% of the 'home users' I've met using Vista are using Pirated
copies (you can argue anything with statistics;-)

------------------------------------------------------
Oh dear, that IS bad news. Of course, it all depends on what Microsoft decide to do about it in the future. Will they allow pirating of Vista or not? All they have to do is to get in through the Internet and disable it - and they can probably do it "legally". I know this can happen because I've seen it done with somebody's XP. Of course, the facility in pirating Windows itself says nothing about how easy or difficult it will be to pirate other software under Vista. But I don't suppose it will be too difficult for those with the expertise and motivation to achieve it.

Perhaps in the end, though, this is a healthier situation for Linux. People need to migrate because Linux is a better system than Windows, not only because it is cheaper. So now the Linux people have to try even harder to prove its superiority beyond doubt. Personally, the fact that I am totally free of all those horrible viruses and spyware is sufficient for me to prefer Linux, and I doubt whether the new sooper dooper security arrangements of Vista will be sufficient to hold back the flood for long.

Bob




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sun Mar 11 00:38:40 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:38:40 -0800
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <B33C2F0C-6DB2-4220-B352-114D329FF97B@Cox.Net>
References: <C218675E.43D2D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<B33C2F0C-6DB2-4220-B352-114D329FF97B@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <45F395E0.9020206@pdslabs.net>

I've been gone all day since my first post on this thread and, well, I see I 
should leave more often. ;o)

Phil Davis



Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Appreciate the suggestions, Jim.
> 
> Joe Wilkins


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 11 00:41:58 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 21:41:58 -0800
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <45F395E0.9020206@pdslabs.net>
References: <C218675E.43D2D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<B33C2F0C-6DB2-4220-B352-114D329FF97B@Cox.Net>
	<45F395E0.9020206@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <D40DE75C-A6C7-480A-9268-104DB3308E50@Cox.Net>

That's OK, Dave. I'm sure you'll get another chance. (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 10, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

> I've been gone all day since my first post on this thread and,  
> well, I see I should leave more often. ;o)
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
>
> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> Appreciate the suggestions, Jim.
>> Joe Wilkins
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sun Mar 11 01:01:11 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 03:01:11 -0300
Subject: No printing of foreign symbols in 2.6.1 Linux?
Message-ID: <45F39B27.9060305@howsoft.com>

I don't do much programming involving Portuguese, but some time ago I 
knocked up a simple program in Rev/Windows 2.6.1 to print out my 
supermarket list (in Portuguese of course). It worked like a charm. But 
since nowadays I prefer to leave my Windows computer just sitting there 
like a moron doing nothing at all, I decided to compile the program in 
Linux (Ubuntu). It refused to print directly to the printer, and when I 
tried producing a postscript file instead it seemed to be corrupted in 
some way and I couldn't even display it successfully (except in Gedit). 
After a lot of tinkering around, I discovered the cause of the trouble: 
the use of letters with accents, i.e. non-English characters in the 
fields of my stack. I experimented and read the Rev Help quite a lot, 
and I came to the conclusion that printing non-English symbols in 
Rev/Linux 2.6.1 is probably impossible. Am I right or am I a nitwit?

Bob


From david at openpartnership.net  Sun Mar 11 06:53:17 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:53:17 +0100
Subject: shell() in a separate thread with callback message at exit?
In-Reply-To: <FC7B7E17-C286-4339-B40F-D8D6DE8E4897@net2000.ch>
References: <20070308153745.4096F489089@mail.runrev.com>
	<FC7B7E17-C286-4339-B40F-D8D6DE8E4897@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703110353u4b59575fydf7a6829c00c132a@mail.gmail.com>

This is an important feature request - no?

I am not sure how to do this - I have suspected you may be able to do this
with some clever shell scripting - but not cracked it for things that you
need results from. You can put a shell into the background using "&" ie
think, and you could look into the "screen" command, but the only ways I
figured on doing this properly is to have a separate program running and
executing the shell. This program can then talk to Rev using sockets or some
other technique.

On 10/03/07, Joel Guillod <joel.guillod at net2000.ch> wrote:
>
> > What platforms are you supporting?
> >
> > If it is Mac only then I think you can achieve this using an
> > AppleScript and AppleEvents.
> >
> > Let me know and I'll let you have more details.
>
> Yes, I would be very pleased to get the details for MacOSX. Also I
> need to support this feature under Windows but let us start with the
> Mac solution.
>
> Thanks a lot,
> Joel
>
>
> > All the Best
> > Dave
> >
> > On 8 Mar 2007, at 11:20, Joel Guillod wrote:
> >
> >> How can I implement the following features:
> >>
> >> - invoque a shell command in a separate thread, i.e. a non
> >> blocking shell during execution of the command;
> >> - receive a callback message with the output and the error result
> >> when the thread exits?
> >>
> >> This would be some function similar to the load command, i.e.:
> >>
> >>    shellExecute commandLine [with message callbackMessage]
> >>
> >> where ...
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Mar 11 12:26:41 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:26:41 +0100
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <F64938C0-F556-4291-9124-77F301E0F94A@Cox.Net>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>	<p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>	<7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>	<p06240804c218aec5cac7@[192.168.1.101]>
	<45B26205-59B3-4606-80AF-FD33F640C3CC@Cox.Net>
	<45F30AFA.6020308@pdslabs.net>
	<F64938C0-F556-4291-9124-77F301E0F94A@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <AE153340-8B1B-40C7-9CCA-E77ACA5B50D0@major-k.de>

Hi Joe,

> OK, Phil. I wasted about an hour fiddling with this. It just  
> wouldn't compile. The result was always lineNumH instead of "1H"  
> for the first line when it is clicked on.
>
> -- I have a scrolling field with a bunch of numbered phrases.on  
> mouseup
>   put word one of the value of the clickline into lineNum --  
> provides number w/ a periof
>   delete last char of lineNum -- deletes the period
>   put quote & "lineNum"&"H"&quote into fldName -- creates a field  
> name such as "1H"
>   send mouseup to field fldName -- sends the mouseup to the  
> appropriate field

I might be a bit late, but anyway, try this:

## in case this is a list field you can could also use:
## put word one of the selectedtext of fld "xyz" into lineNum
   put word one of the value of the clickline into lineNum --  
provides number w/ a periof
   delete last char of lineNum -- deletes the period

## sometimes brackets are highly recommended, especially when creating
## object names with variables!
   put (lineNum &"H") into fldName

## creates a field name such as "1H" and DOES now :-)
   send mouseup to field fldName -- sends the mouseup to the  
appropriate field

> Good luck and TIA,
>
> Joe wilkins

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 11 12:44:23 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:44:23 -0700
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <AE153340-8B1B-40C7-9CCA-E77ACA5B50D0@major-k.de>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>	<p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>	<7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>	<p06240804c218aec5cac7@[192.168.1.101]>
	<45B26205-59B3-4606-80AF-FD33F640C3CC@Cox.Net>
	<45F30AFA.6020308@pdslabs.net>
	<F64938C0-F556-4291-9124-77F301E0F94A@Cox.Net>
	<AE153340-8B1B-40C7-9CCA-E77ACA5B50D0@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <7330822F-2592-4E4D-94D4-3CEF123816BA@Cox.Net>

Thanks Klaus. Even though one of the suggestions that Jim made worked  
"once", it didn't continue to work and I've reverted back to my less  
"eloquent" workaround, which I may eventually need anyway to  
implement a more varied response based on the specific fields to  
which the mouseup is sent. There are obviously some Rev issues with  
building names. I suspect your comment regarding the use of  
parenthesis is probably relevant. It was with HyperCard and I've long  
been in the habit of "over using" them for clarity if nothing else.
This raises another item: I found that a mouseup that I wanted  
"caught" by the card script was being passed on to the stack script  
upon completion. When I encountered this with HC I would insert an  
exit to HyperCard statement. I thought I had tried an exit to Rev or  
Revolution statement once before and it didn't work; so I just used  
the exit to HyperCard statement. To my surprise it worked!

Again, thanks, Joe Wilkins

On Mar 11, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
>> OK, Phil. I wasted about an hour fiddling with this. It just  
>> wouldn't compile. The result was always lineNumH instead of "1H"  
>> for the first line when it is clicked on.
>>
>> -- I have a scrolling field with a bunch of numbered phrases.on  
>> mouseup
>>   put word one of the value of the clickline into lineNum --  
>> provides number w/ a periof
>>   delete last char of lineNum -- deletes the period
>>   put quote & "lineNum"&"H"&quote into fldName -- creates a field  
>> name such as "1H"
>>   send mouseup to field fldName -- sends the mouseup to the  
>> appropriate field
>
> I might be a bit late, but anyway, try this:
>
> ## in case this is a list field you can could also use:
> ## put word one of the selectedtext of fld "xyz" into lineNum
>   put word one of the value of the clickline into lineNum --  
> provides number w/ a periof
>   delete last char of lineNum -- deletes the period
>
> ## sometimes brackets are highly recommended, especially when creating
> ## object names with variables!
>   put (lineNum &"H") into fldName
>
> ## creates a field name such as "1H" and DOES now :-)
>   send mouseup to field fldName -- sends the mouseup to the  
> appropriate field
>
>> Good luck and TIA,
>>
>> Joe wilkins
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Mar 11 12:59:32 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:59:32 +0100
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <7330822F-2592-4E4D-94D4-3CEF123816BA@Cox.Net>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>	<p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>	<7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>	<p06240804c218aec5cac7@[192.168.1.101]>
	<45B26205-59B3-4606-80AF-FD33F640C3CC@Cox.Net>
	<45F30AFA.6020308@pdslabs.net>
	<F64938C0-F556-4291-9124-77F301E0F94A@Cox.Net>
	<AE153340-8B1B-40C7-9CCA-E77ACA5B50D0@major-k.de>
	<7330822F-2592-4E4D-94D4-3CEF123816BA@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <8602BB69-C868-4A8C-AD2D-BBC22CEA166A@major-k.de>

Hi Joe,

> Thanks Klaus. Even though one of the suggestions that Jim made  
> worked "once", it didn't continue to work and I've reverted back to  
> my less "eloquent" workaround, which I may eventually need anyway  
> to implement a more varied response based on the specific fields to  
> which the mouseup is sent. There are obviously some Rev issues with  
> building names. I suspect your comment regarding the use of  
> parenthesis is probably relevant. It was with HyperCard and I've  
> long been in the habit of "over using" them for clarity if nothing  
> else.
> This raises another item: I found that a mouseup that I wanted  
> "caught" by the card script was being passed on to the stack script  
> upon completion. When I encountered this with HC I would insert an  
> exit to HyperCard statement. I thought I had tried an exit to Rev  
> or Revolution statement once before and it didn't work; so I just  
> used the exit to HyperCard statement. To my surprise it worked!

:-)

Yep, for compatibility reasons you can also:
exit to metacard
exit to supercard

Or just:
exit to top

But you CANNOT:
exit to revolution

:-D

> Again, thanks, Joe Wilkins

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 11 13:13:18 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:13:18 -0700
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <8602BB69-C868-4A8C-AD2D-BBC22CEA166A@major-k.de>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>	<p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>	<7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>	<p06240804c218aec5cac7@[192.168.1.101]>
	<45B26205-59B3-4606-80AF-FD33F640C3CC@Cox.Net>
	<45F30AFA.6020308@pdslabs.net>
	<F64938C0-F556-4291-9124-77F301E0F94A@Cox.Net>
	<AE153340-8B1B-40C7-9CCA-E77ACA5B50D0@major-k.de>
	<7330822F-2592-4E4D-94D4-3CEF123816BA@Cox.Net>
	<8602BB69-C868-4A8C-AD2D-BBC22CEA166A@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <9C0E019C-039B-4B76-869B-610F97B54553@Cox.Net>

Which raises another point of interest: it appears that Rev has no  
"Home" stack. My earlier experiences with this have just caused the  
stack to quit. Am I missing something here?

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 11, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
> Yep, for compatibility reasons you can also:
> exit to metacard
> exit to supercard
>
> Or just:
> exit to top
>
> But you CANNOT:
> exit to revolution
>
> :-D



From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Mar 11 13:18:04 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:18:04 +0100
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <9C0E019C-039B-4B76-869B-610F97B54553@Cox.Net>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>	<p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>	<7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>	<p06240804c218aec5cac7@[192.168.1.101]>
	<45B26205-59B3-4606-80AF-FD33F640C3CC@Cox.Net>
	<45F30AFA.6020308@pdslabs.net>
	<F64938C0-F556-4291-9124-77F301E0F94A@Cox.Net>
	<AE153340-8B1B-40C7-9CCA-E77ACA5B50D0@major-k.de>
	<7330822F-2592-4E4D-94D4-3CEF123816BA@Cox.Net>
	<8602BB69-C868-4A8C-AD2D-BBC22CEA166A@major-k.de>
	<9C0E019C-039B-4B76-869B-610F97B54553@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <ADEC4ADB-CA99-4464-AB40-D56354008A94@major-k.de>

Hi Joe.

> Which raises another point of interest: it appears that Rev has no  
> "Home" stack. My earlier experiences with this have just caused the  
> stack to quit. Am I missing something here?

Rev does have in fact a protected HOME stack.

Check the Application Browser!
(You may have to select "Revolution UI elements in Lists" in the  
"View" menu)

> Joe Wilkins
> On Mar 11, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>> Yep, for compatibility reasons you can also:
>> exit to metacard
>> exit to supercard
>>
>> Or just:
>> exit to top
>>
>> But you CANNOT:
>> exit to revolution
>>
>> :-D

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 11 13:46:34 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 10:46:34 -0700
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <ADEC4ADB-CA99-4464-AB40-D56354008A94@major-k.de>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>	<p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>	<7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>	<p06240804c218aec5cac7@[192.168.1.101]>
	<45B26205-59B3-4606-80AF-FD33F640C3CC@Cox.Net>
	<45F30AFA.6020308@pdslabs.net>
	<F64938C0-F556-4291-9124-77F301E0F94A@Cox.Net>
	<AE153340-8B1B-40C7-9CCA-E77ACA5B50D0@major-k.de>
	<7330822F-2592-4E4D-94D4-3CEF123816BA@Cox.Net>
	<8602BB69-C868-4A8C-AD2D-BBC22CEA166A@major-k.de>
	<9C0E019C-039B-4B76-869B-610F97B54553@Cox.Net>
	<ADEC4ADB-CA99-4464-AB40-D56354008A94@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <5AF1B99F-14DA-415E-93CF-ECDFD6EB5638@Cox.Net>

Thanks for the added info, Klaus, but I don't see how checking that  
item in the View Menu does anything. It was already checked. I tried  
go home at that point from the msg and it just closed the current  
stack. Except for the scripting that was possible in the HC home  
stack, I can see that the Rev Preferences are, for the most part, a  
substitution for the various things we would do with the HC home  
stack; and, I suppose we could actually create our own home stack as  
a start using stack with all of the HC features to which we were  
accustomed. Perhaps one of you has already done this?

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 11, 2007, at 10:18 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Joe.
>
>> Which raises another point of interest: it appears that Rev has no  
>> "Home" stack. My earlier experiences with this have just caused  
>> the stack to quit. Am I missing something here?
>
> Rev does have in fact a protected HOME stack.
>
> Check the Application Browser!
> (You may have to select "Revolution UI elements in Lists" in the  
> "View" menu)



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 11 14:20:12 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:20:12 -0500
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <5AF1B99F-14DA-415E-93CF-ECDFD6EB5638@Cox.Net>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>	<p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>	<7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>	<p06240804c218aec5cac7@[192.168.1.101]>	<45B26205-59B3-4606-80AF-FD33F640C3CC@Cox.Net>	<45F30AFA.6020308@pdslabs.net>	<F64938C0-F556-4291-9124-77F301E0F94A@Cox.Net>	<AE153340-8B1B-40C7-9CCA-E77ACA5B50D0@major-k.de>	<7330822F-2592-4E4D-94D4-3CEF123816BA@Cox.Net>	<8602BB69-C868-4A8C-AD2D-BBC22CEA166A@major-k.de>	<9C0E019C-039B-4B76-869B-610F97B54553@Cox.Net>	<ADEC4ADB-CA99-4464-AB40-D56354008A94@major-k.de>
	<5AF1B99F-14DA-415E-93CF-ECDFD6EB5638@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <45F4485C.6060803@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Thanks for the added info, Klaus, but I don't see how checking that item 
> in the View Menu does anything. It was already checked.

It allows Rev's IDE stacks to appear in the Application Browser. You'll 
need to open the app browser to see the stacks. However:

> I tried go home 
> at that point from the msg and it just closed the current stack. Except 
> for the scripting that was possible in the HC home stack, I can see that 
> the Rev Preferences are, for the most part, a substitution for the 
> various things we would do with the HC home stack; and, I suppose we 
> could actually create our own home stack as a start using stack with all 
> of the HC features to which we were accustomed. Perhaps one of you has 
> already done this?

There is little need for a customized Home stack in Revolution, and "go 
home" won't do anything in the IDE. (In a standalone, it does  go to the 
standalone's main stack.) The purpose of the Home stack in HC was 
generally twofold: to 1) store custom handlers in the message hierarchy, 
and 2) provide a hub for a navigation system.

Inserting handlers into the message path is done in several ways in 
Revolution. One common way is via the use of plugins. Plugins are just 
standard stacks written to support particular capabilities, one of which 
can be to insert a script into the hierarchy when the stack opens. Once 
you've written a stack that does what you want, just drop it into the 
Plugins folder in the Documents/My Revolution/Plugins folder (you may 
have to create this folder) and the plugin will load automatically every 
time you launch Rev. You can adjust the plugin behavior using the Plugin 
Settings menu item in the Development/Plugins menu. Revolution ships 
with several of its own plugins.

For navigation, you'll need to write your own stack. I have one that 
just presents a card containing a number of buttons scripted to open my 
most commonly-accessed stacks. I keep it in the Plugins folder, and set 
it to open automatically when Rev launches (using the Plugin Settings 
item as per above.)

Note that Rev tracks the most recently opened stacks, so in many cases 
you won't need a navigation hub at all. Everywhere you've been recently 
is listed in the File menu.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 11 14:49:46 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:49:46 -0700
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <45F4485C.6060803@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>	<p06240803c2189f7a3516@[192.168.1.101]>	<7584988B-0156-4646-A42E-034F74B38CE8@Cox.Net>	<p06240804c218aec5cac7@[192.168.1.101]>	<45B26205-59B3-4606-80AF-FD33F640C3CC@Cox.Net>	<45F30AFA.6020308@pdslabs.net>	<F64938C0-F556-4291-9124-77F301E0F94A@Cox.Net>	<AE153340-8B1B-40C7-9CCA-E77ACA5B50D0@major-k.de>	<7330822F-2592-4E4D-94D4-3CEF123816BA@Cox.Net>	<8602BB69-C868-4A8C-AD2D-BBC22CEA166A@major-k.de>	<9C0E019C-039B-4B76-869B-610F97B54553@Cox.Net>	<ADEC4ADB-CA99-4464-AB40-D56354008A94@major-k.de>
	<5AF1B99F-14DA-415E-93CF-ECDFD6EB5638@Cox.Net>
	<45F4485C.6060803@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <731D6873-2D02-43FB-AC5A-B26C8E3CBA33@Cox.Net>

Hi Jacque,

I'm sure all of this is located somewhere in the documentation, but  
I'm sure the newbies are profiting from these Gems as much as I am. I  
just wish I had more time to spend. Another problem is my eyes. The  
really small font sizes on some of Rev's stuff that appears as if it  
can't be upsized really causes me headaches (literally). I'm having  
to take a hiatus from my column for a couple of weeks, but hope to  
get back with a collection of "newbie" gems when I next appear.  
Thanks, for all of your guidance. This means EVERYONE!

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 11, 2007, at 11:20 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> Thanks for the added info, Klaus, but I don't see how checking  
>> that item in the View Menu does anything. It was already checked.
>
> It allows Rev's IDE stacks to appear in the Application Browser.  
> You'll need to open the app browser to see the stacks. However:
>
>> I tried go home at that point from the msg and it just closed the  
>> current stack. Except for the scripting that was possible in the  
>> HC home stack, I can see that the Rev Preferences are, for the  
>> most part, a substitution for the various things we would do with  
>> the HC home stack; and, I suppose we could actually create our own  
>> home stack as a start using stack with all of the HC features to  
>> which we were accustomed. Perhaps one of you has already done this?
>
> There is little need for a customized Home stack in Revolution, and  
> "go home" won't do anything in the IDE. (In a standalone, it does   
> go to the standalone's main stack.) The purpose of the Home stack  
> in HC was generally twofold: to 1) store custom handlers in the  
> message hierarchy, and 2) provide a hub for a navigation system.
>
> Inserting handlers into the message path is done in several ways in  
> Revolution. One common way is via the use of plugins. Plugins are  
> just standard stacks written to support particular capabilities,  
> one of which can be to insert a script into the hierarchy when the  
> stack opens. Once you've written a stack that does what you want,  
> just drop it into the Plugins folder in the Documents/My Revolution/ 
> Plugins folder (you may have to create this folder) and the plugin  
> will load automatically every time you launch Rev. You can adjust  
> the plugin behavior using the Plugin Settings menu item in the  
> Development/Plugins menu. Revolution ships with several of its own  
> plugins.
>
> For navigation, you'll need to write your own stack. I have one  
> that just presents a card containing a number of buttons scripted  
> to open my most commonly-accessed stacks. I keep it in the Plugins  
> folder, and set it to open automatically when Rev launches (using  
> the Plugin Settings item as per above.)
>
> Note that Rev tracks the most recently opened stacks, so in many  
> cases you won't need a navigation hub at all. Everywhere you've  
> been recently is listed in the File menu.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 15:51:09 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:51:09 -0800
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <5AF1B99F-14DA-415E-93CF-ECDFD6EB5638@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C2199DAD.43D55%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


On 3/11/07 9:46 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> Thanks for the added info, Klaus, but I don't see how checking that
> item in the View Menu does anything. It was already checked. I tried
> go home at that point from the msg and it just closed the current
> stack. Except for the scripting that was possible in the HC home
> stack, I can see that the Rev Preferences are, for the most part, a
> substitution for the various things we would do with the HC home
> stack; and, I suppose we could actually create our own home stack as
> a start using stack with all of the HC features to which we were
> accustomed. Perhaps one of you has already done this?
> 
> Joe Wilkins 

I was thinking of contacting an architect or someone good with layout work
to show the parallels in diagram form.   It could show the differences (eg.
how the Home stack is replaced by other functions/features/stacks in Rev) +
the equivalent way of scripting.

One gotcha is that I would have to find someone who knew Hypercard and be
willing to do this beginner level sort of thing.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas  (smile)




From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 11 15:00:08 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 12:00:08 -0700
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <C2199DAD.43D55%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2199DAD.43D55%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9058C4FC-8D0C-45F6-B277-42E205B7F326@Cox.Net>

Gee Whiz, Jim. I can't imagine who might help you out with this!  
Actually, that might be something that we can collaborate on. It'd  
make a great article(s) for my column too. If you want to send me  
your thoughts, I'd be more than happy to put some time in on it - if  
I ever get any of that free stuff people are always talking about.  
(really big smile)

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 11, 2007, at 12:51 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
>
> On 3/11/07 9:46 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the added info, Klaus, but I don't see how checking that
>> item in the View Menu does anything. It was already checked. I tried
>> go home at that point from the msg and it just closed the current
>> stack. Except for the scripting that was possible in the HC home
>> stack, I can see that the Rev Preferences are, for the most part, a
>> substitution for the various things we would do with the HC home
>> stack; and, I suppose we could actually create our own home stack as
>> a start using stack with all of the HC features to which we were
>> accustomed. Perhaps one of you has already done this?
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>
> I was thinking of contacting an architect or someone good with  
> layout work
> to show the parallels in diagram form.   It could show the  
> differences (eg.
> how the Home stack is replaced by other functions/features/stacks  
> in Rev) +
> the equivalent way of scripting.
>
> One gotcha is that I would have to find someone who knew Hypercard  
> and be
> willing to do this beginner level sort of thing.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas  (smile)
\


From lynnp333 at aol.com  Sun Mar 11 16:51:14 2007
From: lynnp333 at aol.com (Lynn Marie Peterson)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 13:51:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [OT] Moving a checkbox
In-Reply-To: <D90C1C05-3244-441B-8AB9-F61DB01DDF6B@mac.com>
References: <D90C1C05-3244-441B-8AB9-F61DB01DDF6B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9424669.post@talk.nabble.com>



Charles Szasz wrote:
> 
> The following script works:
> set the location of button "check6" to the location of this card
> 
> But when I add a condition such as a if statement it does not work.
> 
> Does anybody have a suggestion?
> 
> 
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com
> 
> 
Hi Charles ~

Either of these forms work (if or if-else). I put these in a button for an
example:

on mouseUp
  if the hilight of button "check6" is true
  then
    set the location of button "check6" to the location of this card
  end if
end mouseUp

OR

on mouseUp
  if the hilight of button "check6" is true then
    set the location of button "check6" to the location of this card
  else
    answer "Sorry, I can't do that because the checkbox is not checked."
with "OK"
  end if
end mouseUp

Lynn P.
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From david at openpartnership.net  Sun Mar 11 16:53:06 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:53:06 +0100
Subject: Copy and paste in altBrowser
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703111353p22fbb0f6h9e75618480553fda@mail.gmail.com>

A quick question: anyone know how to copy and paste from Rev to an html form
field in an altBrowser window?


From john at debraneys.com  Sun Mar 11 16:59:15 2007
From: john at debraneys.com (john at debraneys.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:59:15 +0000
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
Message-ID: <W4661829944234791173646755@webmail12>

Hi, 

I haven't read all the replies on this one but did notice in your script fragment

>> put quote & "lineNum"&"H"&quote into fldName -- creates a field 

that lineNum is quoted eg "lineNum". That will always put the literal string lineNum into the container rather than the value of lineNum. Just drop the quotes and the concatenation should work.

Regards

John T

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Klaus Major [mailto:klaus at major-k.de]
>Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:26 PM
>To: 'How to use Revolution'
>Subject: Re: concatenating with the ampersand
>
>Hi Joe,
>
>> OK, Phil. I wasted about an hour fiddling with this. It just 
>> wouldn't compile. The result was always lineNumH instead of "1H" 
>> for the first line when it is clicked on.
>>
>> -- I have a scrolling field with a bunch of numbered phrases.on 
>> mouseup
>> put word one of the value of the clickline into lineNum -- 
>> provides number w/ a periof
>> delete last char of lineNum -- deletes the period
>> put quote & "lineNum"&"H"&quote into fldName -- creates a field 
>> name such as "1H"
>> send mouseup to field fldName -- sends the mouseup to the 
>> appropriate field
>
>I might be a bit late, but anyway, try this:
>
>## in case this is a list field you can could also use:
>## put word one of the selectedtext of fld "xyz" into lineNum
> put word one of the value of the clickline into lineNum -- 
>provides number w/ a periof
> delete last char of lineNum -- deletes the period
>
>## sometimes brackets are highly recommended, especially when creating
>## object names with variables!
> put (lineNum &"H") into fldName
>
>## creates a field name such as "1H" and DOES now :-)
> send mouseup to field fldName -- sends the mouseup to the 
>appropriate field
>
>> Good luck and TIA,
>>
>> Joe wilkins
>
>Regards
>
>Klaus Major
>klaus at major-k.de
>http://www.major-k.de
>
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 11 17:22:06 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:22:06 -0700
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <W4661829944234791173646755@webmail12>
References: <W4661829944234791173646755@webmail12>
Message-ID: <22DF4123-A732-4B52-A0F3-E03AF641A578@Cox.Net>

Hi John,

Thanks. Jim observed the same thing a little earlier; but, as I  
mentioned then, I'm pretty sure I had tried it "correctly" earlier  
on, and just messed up while diddling around. Though there may have  
been some other problems, since my touch typing doesn't always  
produce exactly what I think it should, though I've now pumped up the  
font size for my scripts so that these problems won't continue to  
occur. It's easy to get frustrated when things like that happen. I  
appreciate the patience and attention from all of the listers. The  
error feedback COULD BE a bit more helpful. Sometimes you almost have  
to be a mind reader. (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:59 PM, john at debraneys.com wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I haven't read all the replies on this one but did notice in your  
> script fragment
>
>>> put quote & "lineNum"&"H"&quote into fldName -- creates a field
>
> that lineNum is quoted eg "lineNum". That will always put the  
> literal string lineNum into the container rather than the value of  
> lineNum. Just drop the quotes and the concatenation should work.
>
> Regards
>
> John T
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Klaus Major [mailto:klaus at major-k.de]
>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:26 PM
>> To: 'How to use Revolution'
>> Subject: Re: concatenating with the ampersand
>>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>>> OK, Phil. I wasted about an hour fiddling with this. It just
>>> wouldn't compile. The result was always lineNumH instead of "1H"
>>> for the first line when it is clicked on.
>>>
>>> -- I have a scrolling field with a bunch of numbered phrases.on 
>>> mouseup
>>> put word one of the value of the clickline into lineNum --
>>> provides number w/ a periof
>>> delete last char of lineNum -- deletes the period
>>> put quote & "lineNum"&"H"&quote into fldName -- creates a field
>>> name such as "1H"
>>> send mouseup to field fldName -- sends the mouseup to the
>>> appropriate field
>>
>> I might be a bit late, but anyway, try this:
>>
>> ## in case this is a list field you can could also use:
>> ## put word one of the selectedtext of fld "xyz" into lineNum
>> put word one of the value of the clickline into lineNum --
>> provides number w/ a periof
>> delete last char of lineNum -- deletes the period
>>
>> ## sometimes brackets are highly recommended, especially when  
>> creating
>> ## object names with variables!
>> put (lineNum &"H") into fldName
>>
>> ## creates a field name such as "1H" and DOES now :-)
>> send mouseup to field fldName -- sends the mouseup to the
>> appropriate field
>>
>>> Good luck and TIA,
>>>
>>> Joe wilkins
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Klaus Major
>> klaus at major-k.de
>> http://www.major-k.de
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From john at debraneys.com  Sun Mar 11 17:50:30 2007
From: john at debraneys.com (john at debraneys.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:50:30 +0000
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
Message-ID: <W496501101739141173649830@webmail28>

Hi Joe,

Mind reading would be a useful skill, but it is my own mind that is causing most of the problems (sigh). 

I did see an earlier comment about using brackets to delineate the concatenated string and I have found that cuts most of my problems in this area. Maybe because I have to be clearer about what I am doing or maybe because the interpreter likes it better. 
Cheers

John T

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Lewis Wilkins [mailto:pepetoo at Cox.Net]
>Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 05:22 PM
>To: 'How to use Revolution'
>Subject: Re: concatenating with the ampersand
>
>Hi John,
>
>Thanks. Jim observed the same thing a little earlier; but, as I 
>mentioned then, I'm pretty sure I had tried it "correctly" earlier 
>on, and just messed up while diddling around. Though there may have 
>been some other problems, since my touch typing doesn't always 
>produce exactly what I think it should, though I've now pumped up the 
>font size for my scripts so that these problems won't continue to 
>occur. It's easy to get frustrated when things like that happen. I 
>appreciate the patience and attention from all of the listers. The 
>error feedback COULD BE a bit more helpful. Sometimes you almost have 
>to be a mind reader. (smile)
>
>Joe Wilkins
>
>On Mar 11, 2007, at 1:59 PM, john at debraneys.com wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I haven't read all the replies on this one but did notice in your 
>> script fragment
>>
>>>> put quote & "lineNum"&"H"&quote into fldName -- creates a field
>>
>> that lineNum is quoted eg "lineNum". That will always put the 
>> literal string lineNum into the container rather than the value of 
>> lineNum. Just drop the quotes and the concatenation should work.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> John T
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Klaus Major [mailto:klaus at major-k.de]
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 12:26 PM
>>> To: 'How to use Revolution'
>>> Subject: Re: concatenating with the ampersand
>>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>>
>>>> OK, Phil. I wasted about an hour fiddling with this. It just
>>>> wouldn't compile. The result was always lineNumH instead of "1H"
>>>> for the first line when it is clicked on.
>>>>
>>>> -- I have a scrolling field with a bunch of numbered phrases.on 
>>>> mouseup
>>>> put word one of the value of the clickline into lineNum --
>>>> provides number w/ a periof
>>>> delete last char of lineNum -- deletes the period
>>>> put quote & "lineNum"&"H"&quote into fldName -- creates a field
>>>> name such as "1H"
>>>> send mouseup to field fldName -- sends the mouseup to the
>>>> appropriate field
>>>
>>> I might be a bit late, but anyway, try this:
>>>
>>> ## in case this is a list field you can could also use:
>>> ## put word one of the selectedtext of fld "xyz" into lineNum
>>> put word one of the value of the clickline into lineNum --
>>> provides number w/ a periof
>>> delete last char of lineNum -- deletes the period
>>>
>>> ## sometimes brackets are highly recommended, especially when 
>>> creating
>>> ## object names with variables!
>>> put (lineNum &"H") into fldName
>>>
>>> ## creates a field name such as "1H" and DOES now :-)
>>> send mouseup to field fldName -- sends the mouseup to the
>>> appropriate field
>>>
>>>> Good luck and TIA,
>>>>
>>>> Joe wilkins
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Klaus Major
>>> klaus at major-k.de
>>> http://www.major-k.de
>>>
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>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>>> subscription preferences:
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>>
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From david at openpartnership.net  Sun Mar 11 17:53:50 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:53:50 +0100
Subject: Copy and paste in altBrowser
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0703111353p22fbb0f6h9e75618480553fda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0703111353p22fbb0f6h9e75618480553fda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703111453h713b27adu8941d54e3162f45a@mail.gmail.com>

OK - i have been experimenting and am stuck. On OSX if I try to copy text
from an altBrowser window I cannot. If I use XBrowser_Get("selected",
browserID)" I can if I am lucky get some text onto the clipboard but ony if
there is a div tag - and this wont hep with pasting.

Is it possible? I want to generate some text in Rev and make it easy to
paste into html forms - the only thing I can think of doing is parsing the
HTML which is exactly what I am trying to avoid. Anyone help me with a
simple copy and paste solution?


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 17:59:48 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 07:59:48 +1000
Subject: Having a Dialog Spoken
In-Reply-To: <FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>
	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>
	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703111459g32185132ic156c9657af7f702@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/11/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I should imagine there is a special way of having the contents of a
> Dialog spoken, though I don't readily find it.
>
>

If you are just using a Mac, then you can just turn this on in the
Speech section of the System Prefs.

Cheers,
Sarah


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Mar 11 17:59:17 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:59:17 -0500
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <W496501101739141173649830@webmail28>
References: <W496501101739141173649830@webmail28>
Message-ID: <p06240804c21a2a4be48f@[192.168.1.101]>

I would use the term 'parentheses'            get shmengie(200+56)

not 'brackets'.

Yes, very useful for clarity, defining order of execution, and 
reducing confusion for the compiler.

Brackets [ ] are used to define array keys        shmengie[item1]

array keys cannot be evaluated inside the brackets

  shmengie[200+2]   won't work correctly

this might work but be hard to trace.


  shmengie[(200+2)] but I haven't tested.

sqb


>Hi Joe,
>
>Mind reading would be a useful skill, but it is my own mind that is 
>causing most of the problems (sigh).
>
>I did see an earlier comment about using brackets to delineate the 
>concatenated string and I have found that cuts most of my problems 
>in this area. Maybe because I have to be clearer about what I am 
>doing or maybe because the interpreter likes it better.
>Cheers
>
>John T
>
>


-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 18:02:15 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:02:15 +1000
Subject: how to get a list fleld whithout any hilitedLine (before user
	chooses one)
In-Reply-To: <45F2FB8A.3020607@pdslabs.net>
References: <4E8DAB21-E6AC-43E7-8D59-9A2673FBF175@inria.fr>
	<45F2FB8A.3020607@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703111502p53f46a4jbf432d1380141a4c@mail.gmail.com>

If you set the traversalOn of the field to false, this avoids the
problem Phil mentions. It will also stop the field getting a hilite if
the stack is resumed with no other clickable field available.

Cheers,
Sarah



On 3/11/07, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:
> Hi Andr?,
>
> Try something like this:
>
> on showField pFieldName
>    lock screen
>    show fld pFieldName
>    set the hilitedLines of fld pFieldName to empty
>    unlock screen
> end showField
>
> This might not work because showing the field may give the field the focus, and
> that may trigger the hiliting of a line, thus undoing what 'set the
> hilitedLines...' did. But 'set the hilitedLines of fld x to empty' does work.
>
> Phil Davis
>
>
> Andr?.Bisseret wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I have fields set to ?  list behavior ?. They are including phrases on
> > different topics (one topic per field).
> > These fields are hidden but the users can call them (one at a time) so
> > that they be able to click on phrases to add them to, say, a ?composing
> > field?.
> >
> > When these list fields appear, one of the lines is hilited.
> > I am trying, for at least one hour now, to get rid of that without any
> > success: I would like that when such a list field is shown, none of its
> > lines be hilited.
> >


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 11 18:04:41 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:04:41 -0700
Subject: Having a Dialog Spoken
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703111459g32185132ic156c9657af7f702@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>
	<6852B207-4FA1-4E75-81F4-AC7BF6CC0A28@economy-x-talk.com>
	<esul64$fa6$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<FA791C9B-2A89-4E16-8802-30C4C4B0BED6@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703111459g32185132ic156c9657af7f702@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <718863F7-E516-4A04-A2CB-F2425E89399E@Cox.Net>

No such luck with Windows? I was aware of the Mac feature and this is  
for both.

Thanks, Joe

On Mar 11, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On 3/11/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I should imagine there is a special way of having the contents of a
>> Dialog spoken, though I don't readily find it.
>>
>>
>
> If you are just using a Mac, then you can just turn this on in the
> Speech section of the System Prefs.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 11 18:08:33 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:08:33 -0700
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c21a2a4be48f@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <W496501101739141173649830@webmail28>
	<p06240804c21a2a4be48f@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <0E9F6BC8-D91F-484B-ABEA-5DC079D39A4C@Cox.Net>

Thanks, Stephen. I assumed he probably meant parenthesis, but under  
most contexts you may use them interchangeably; certainly in  
mathematical calculations. Doing so makes these even more readable as  
well.

Joe

On Mar 11, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> I would use the term 'parentheses'            get shmengie(200+56)
>
> not 'brackets'.
>
> Yes, very useful for clarity, defining order of execution, and  
> reducing confusion for the compiler.
>
> Brackets [ ] are used to define array keys        shmengie[item1]
>
> array keys cannot be evaluated inside the brackets
>
>  shmengie[200+2]   won't work correctly
>
> this might work but be hard to trace.
>
>
>  shmengie[(200+2)] but I haven't tested.
>
> sqb
>
>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> Mind reading would be a useful skill, but it is my own mind that  
>> is causing most of the problems (sigh).
>>
>> I did see an earlier comment about using brackets to delineate the  
>> concatenated string and I have found that cuts most of my problems  
>> in this area. Maybe because I have to be clearer about what I am  
>> doing or maybe because the interpreter likes it better.
>> Cheers
>>
>> John T
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>
>
>
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> subscription preferences:
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 18:15:40 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:15:40 +1000
Subject: shell() in a separate thread with callback message at exit?
In-Reply-To: <609CCAD4-DEE7-4893-93C6-D6F12C9EE8CB@net2000.ch>
References: <20070216043334.4836B489015@mail.runrev.com>
	<609CCAD4-DEE7-4893-93C6-D6F12C9EE8CB@net2000.ch>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703111515t55ab68a3n53478c6bd388a31@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/8/07, Joel Guillod <joel.guillod at net2000.ch> wrote:
> How can I implement the following features:
>
> - invoque a shell command in a separate thread, i.e. a non blocking
> shell during execution of the command;
> - receive a callback message with the output and the error result
> when the thread exits?
>
> This would be some function similar to the load command, i.e.:
>
>     shellExecute commandLine [with message callbackMessage]
>
> where
>    The commandLine is a string or an expression that evaluates to a
> string.
>    The callbackMessage is the name of a message to send after the
> shell exited.
>
> The callbackMessage signature would be:
>
>    on <callbackMessage> pCmdOutput,pCmdError,pShellError
>
> where
>    - pCmdOutput is the value returned by the shell function, i.e. the
> result of the sdtout commandLine, including any error messages the
> commandLine generates.
>    - pCmdError is the error the command generate (sdterr under unix).
>    - pShellError is the shell command's exit code.


Hi Joel,

This isn't exactly what you described, but here is how I do it. Start
the shell command running in the background but directing it's output
to a text file. Then have a loop to check for this text file until it
appears or until a time out period has elapsed.

Here is an example script that does a ping. The handler includes the
post-processing of the result, but you can just ignore that.

function checkPing pIP
    put specialFolderPath("Desktop") & "/ping.txt" into tFileName
    if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName

    put "ping -c1 -n "  & pIP into tShellCmd
    put " > " & tFileName & " 2>&1 &" after tShellCmd
    get shell(tShellCmd)

    put 0 into timeCheck
    repeat 50 times
        wait 1 tick with messages
        if there is a file tFileName then
            put URL ("file:" & tFileName) into tRes
            if tRes is empty then next repeat  -- file created but no result yet

            put wordOffset("loss", tRes) into tWord
            if tWord = 0 then next repeat -- file created but result
not complete

             put word tWord-2 of tRes into tPercent
            if tPercent = "0%" then return true
            else return false
        end if
    end repeat

    if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName
    return false
end checkPing

Cheers,
Sarah


From john at debraneys.com  Sun Mar 11 18:20:07 2007
From: john at debraneys.com (john at debraneys.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:20:07 +0000
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
Message-ID: <W510098561104181173651607@webmail4>

hi guys,

I meant these thingies ( )

: )

if I had a local or temp variable called tLocalCount which currently had the value 4, I would do this

put ("Label_" & tLocalCount) into gSaveObject

Then the variable gSaveObject would contain Label_4

I have also observed that I get more consistent results if I first put any values that come from element descriptions into variables then concatenate the variables rather than concatenating the element descriptions. eg
put the short name of the target into tWhichField

put word 1 of the clickLine into tWhichLine
put ( tWhichField & "_" & tWhichLine) into gStartedHere

rather than

put (the short name of the target & "_" & word 1 of the clickLine) into gStartedHere

Cheers
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe Lewis Wilkins [mailto:pepetoo at Cox.Net]
>Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 06:08 PM
>To: 'How to use Revolution'
>Subject: Re: concatenating with the ampersand
>
>Thanks, Stephen. I assumed he probably meant parenthesis, but under 
>most contexts you may use them interchangeably; certainly in 
>mathematical calculations. Doing so makes these even more readable as 
>well.
>
>Joe
>
>On Mar 11, 2007, at 2:59 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>> I would use the term 'parentheses' get shmengie(200+56)
>>
>> not 'brackets'.
>>
>> Yes, very useful for clarity, defining order of execution, and 
>> reducing confusion for the compiler.
>>
>> Brackets [ ] are used to define array keys shmengie[item1]
>>
>> array keys cannot be evaluated inside the brackets
>>
>> shmengie[200+2] won't work correctly
>>
>> this might work but be hard to trace.
>>
>>
>> shmengie[(200+2)] but I haven't tested.
>>
>> sqb
>>
>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>>
>>> Mind reading would be a useful skill, but it is my own mind that 
>>> is causing most of the problems (sigh).
>>>
>>> I did see an earlier comment about using brackets to delineate the 
>>> concatenated string and I have found that cuts most of my problems 
>>> in this area. Maybe because I have to be clearer about what I am 
>>> doing or maybe because the interpreter likes it better.
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> John T
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>> stephen barncard
>> s a n f r a n c i s c o
>> - - - - - - - - - - - -
>>
>>
>>
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>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>> subscription preferences:
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From r.venzl-schubert at t-online.de  Sun Mar 11 18:52:42 2007
From: r.venzl-schubert at t-online.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:52:42 +0100
Subject: How to deinstall rev 2.8.0 on a mac?
Message-ID: <CCAE604E-466A-4240-9429-FBCD53EF28F4@t-online.de>

Hi!

With rev 2.8.0 my learningprogram do not connect to the SQLite Datebase.
Therefore I deleted rev 2.8.0 to use rev 2.7.4 again.
But when I start my program (it is not a standalone) I get a error.
I think my mac is looking for the deleted rev 2.8.0.
How can I tell my mac to start my program with rev 2.7.4 as before.

Thanks
Reinhold


From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 11 19:01:48 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:01:48 +0100
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c21a2a4be48f@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <W496501101739141173649830@webmail28>
	<p06240804c21a2a4be48f@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <34CB9BFE-F9D5-4E52-8BBE-984FBDB315EE@maseurope.net>


On 11 Mar 2007, at 22:59, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> I would use the term 'parentheses'            get shmengie(200+56)
>
> not 'brackets'.


Well, to be pedantic, "parentheses" refers to any kind of brackets,  
while "brackets" usually means round brackets for Brits and square  
brackets for North Americans. So for clarity it's probably best to  
use "round brackets" ( ), "square brackets" [ ], "curly brackets" { }  
and "angle brackets" < >, or one of the many descriptive variations  
of these.

Best,

Mark


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Sun Mar 11 19:13:38 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:13:38 -0400
Subject: How to deinstall rev 2.8.0 on a mac?
In-Reply-To: <CCAE604E-466A-4240-9429-FBCD53EF28F4@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <C21A0562.2F8D7%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Hi Reinhold

I had some problems when I upgraded maybe you have the same?

Did you move your SQLite database to the new folder which is named
2.8.0-gm-2 and put it beside the new copy of runrev there?


Did you also change the file path for the connect scripts??

  put "/Applications/Revolution Studio/2.8.0-gm-2/shipping.db" into
tDBA["FilePath"]


None of this is automatic when you upgrade.

Bill


On 3/11/07 6:52 PM, "Reinhold Venzl-Schubert" <r.venzl-schubert at t-online.de>
wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> With rev 2.8.0 my learningprogram do not connect to the SQLite Datebase.
> Therefore I deleted rev 2.8.0 to use rev 2.7.4 again.
> But when I start my program (it is not a standalone) I get a error.
> I think my mac is looking for the deleted rev 2.8.0.
> How can I tell my mac to start my program with rev 2.7.4 as before.
> 
> Thanks
> Reinhold
> _______________________________________________




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 19:14:49 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:14:49 +1000
Subject: How to deinstall rev 2.8.0 on a mac?
In-Reply-To: <CCAE604E-466A-4240-9429-FBCD53EF28F4@t-online.de>
References: <CCAE604E-466A-4240-9429-FBCD53EF28F4@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703111614g389b40d7q6cdf9118574fa771@mail.gmail.com>

> With rev 2.8.0 my learningprogram do not connect to the SQLite Datebase.
> Therefore I deleted rev 2.8.0 to use rev 2.7.4 again.
> But when I start my program (it is not a standalone) I get a error.
> I think my mac is looking for the deleted rev 2.8.0.
> How can I tell my mac to start my program with rev 2.7.4 as before.

In your Applications folder, you will see a folder called "Revolution
Studio" or "Revolution Enterprise". In there are the sub-folders for
each version e.g. "2.8.0-gm-3", some folders used by all versions and
an alias to the version of the application you are currently using.
Maybe the alias is pointing to the wrong application, in which case
you can delete it and create a new one.

Or, if Revolution starts OK but the problem occurs in your stack, then
maybe you have hard-wired a path into a script in your stack. If you
could email in a copy of the error message, we might have some more
detailed suggestions.

Cheers,
Sarah


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Mar 11 21:37:47 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:37:47 -0800
Subject: XP and Vista question
In-Reply-To: <45F393E3.1040504@howsoft.com>
References: <45F393E3.1040504@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <93106385804.20070311173747@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Saturday, March 10, 2007, 9:30:11 PM, you wrote:

> Perhaps in the end, though, this is a healthier situation for
> Linux. People need to migrate because Linux is a better system than
> Windows, not only because it is cheaper. So now the Linux people
> have to try even harder to prove its superiority beyond doubt.

The end may draweth nigh:

http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197700789
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197800480
http://gyaku.jp/en/index.php?cmd=contentview&pid=000112
http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS4958455863.html

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 21:16:45 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:16:45 +0800
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <W510098561104181173651607@webmail4>
References: <W510098561104181173651607@webmail4>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703111816v535a368bp66557d8db7446b07@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/12/07, john at debraneys.com <john at debraneys.com> wrote:
>
> put word 1 of the clickLine into tWhichLine
> put ( tWhichField & "_" & tWhichLine) into gStartedHere
>
> rather than
>
> put (the short name of the target & "_" & word 1 of the clickLine) into
> gStartedHere


Jim put me onto the 'merge()' function, check it out in the docs. Actually
I'm surprised it hasn't already mentioned here as it pretty well eliminates
the need for & or && in most cases.

put merge("[[the short name of the target]]_[[word 1 of the clickLine]]")
into gStartedHere

As for the initial problem, I wouldn't use merge() for this but it could be:
put merge("[[quote]][[lineNum]]H[[quote]]") into fldName

When initially used the double square brackets can be a little confusing but
once you're use to it it can make code more readable and compact.

put "Name1:" & tab & var1 & "." & cr \
    & "Name2:" & tab & var2 & "." & cr \
    etc etc
    & "Name10:" & tab & var10 & "." \
    into field "listsVars"

put merge("Name1:[[tab]][[var1]].[[cr]] \
           Name2:[[tab]][[var2]].[[cr]] \
           etc etc
           Name10:[[tab]][[var10]].") \
           into field "listsVars"

I generally find it easiest to just write it the way I want it (no spaces
unless required), then put the square brackets around what needs to be
evaluated into a string:

Namea:tabvara.cr
Name[[a]]:[[tab]]var[[a]].[[cr]]

Of course the other beauty of merge() is that merge() inside a merge()
allows you to build dynamic variables and evaluate them, such as in a repeat
loop. The following does the same as above, just a lot less code.

repeat for each item a in listOfTen
put merge("Name[[a]]:[[tab]][[" & merge("[[var&a]]") & "]].[[cr]]") after
field "listsVars"
end repeat

HTH


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 21:37:34 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:37:34 +0800
Subject: [DOCs] Missing Definition for backslash
Message-ID: <f73a98160703111837l39fd0616r38afdfb051130847@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

before I write to userguide at runrev.com and indicate that there is no entry
for '\' I just want to confirm that I'm not missing anything. There are
plenty of code examples that run on to the second line but I just can't see
anywhere where it spells out that that is what \ is used for.

Also in the electronic DOCs Dictionary. You can do a search for \, but
clicking on it, I don't get anything.

If someone else can confirm, I'll submit.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Mar 11 22:53:34 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:53:34 -0800
Subject: [DOCs] Missing Definition for backslash
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703111837l39fd0616r38afdfb051130847@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160703111837l39fd0616r38afdfb051130847@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <142110932832.20070311185334@ahsoftware.net>

Kay-

Sunday, March 11, 2007, 5:37:34 PM, you wrote:

> If someone else can confirm, I'll submit.

This is already BZ #3065. I just updated the version info - you might
want to add a comment.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 11 22:09:33 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:09:33 -0700
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703111816v535a368bp66557d8db7446b07@mail.gmail.com>
References: <W510098561104181173651607@webmail4>
	<f73a98160703111816v535a368bp66557d8db7446b07@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CDF65E67-ED48-4B84-B7DE-83B10E50467B@Cox.Net>

Hi Kay, Jim, etc.,

Would something like the following work? I find  the one liner very  
confusing; Hard to see exactly what is being merged. The brackets  
(square) seem to melt everything into a confusing mess, but  
separating each item that is being merged onto a separate line makes  
it very readable.

put merge("\
[[the short name of the target]]_\
[[word 1 of the clickline]]\
")\ --end merge
into gStartHere --The destination of the string

It would also be conducive to a form whereby if one typed the phrase  
"merge 3", the script editor could replace it with a skeleton  
something like:

put merge("\
[[ ]]\
[[ ]]\
[[ ]]\
")\
into    --The destination of the string

Which can easily be completed. Does this make sense? Since I have yet  
to look at the documentation on "merge", this may be foolish.

Joe Wilkins


On Mar 11, 2007, at 6:16 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On 3/12/07, john at debraneys.com <john at debraneys.com> wrote:
>>
>> put word 1 of the clickLine into tWhichLine
>> put ( tWhichField & "_" & tWhichLine) into gStartedHere
>>
>> rather than
>>
>> put (the short name of the target & "_" & word 1 of the clickLine)  
>> into
>> gStartedHere
>
>
> Jim put me onto the 'merge()' function, check it out in the docs.  
> Actually
> I'm surprised it hasn't already mentioned here as it pretty well  
> eliminates
> the need for & or && in most cases.
>
> put merge("[[the short name of the target]]_[[word 1 of the  
> clickLine]]")
> into gStartedHere
>
> As for the initial problem, I wouldn't use merge() for this but it  
> could be:
> put merge("[[quote]][[lineNum]]H[[quote]]") into fldName
>
> When initially used the double square brackets can be a little  
> confusing but
> once you're use to it it can make code more readable and compact.
>
> put "Name1:" & tab & var1 & "." & cr \
>    & "Name2:" & tab & var2 & "." & cr \
>    etc etc
>    & "Name10:" & tab & var10 & "." \
>    into field "listsVars"
>
> put merge("Name1:[[tab]][[var1]].[[cr]] \
>           Name2:[[tab]][[var2]].[[cr]] \
>           etc etc
>           Name10:[[tab]][[var10]].") \
>           into field "listsVars"
>
> I generally find it easiest to just write it the way I want it (no  
> spaces
> unless required), then put the square brackets around what needs to be
> evaluated into a string:
>
> Namea:tabvara.cr
> Name[[a]]:[[tab]]var[[a]].[[cr]]
>
> Of course the other beauty of merge() is that merge() inside a merge()
> allows you to build dynamic variables and evaluate them, such as in  
> a repeat
> loop. The following does the same as above, just a lot less code.
>
> repeat for each item a in listOfTen
> put merge("Name[[a]]:[[tab]][[" & merge("[[var&a]]") & "]].[[cr]]")  
> after
> field "listsVars"
> end repeat
>
> HTH
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 22:27:44 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:27:44 +0800
Subject: [DOCs] Missing Definition for backslash
In-Reply-To: <142110932832.20070311185334@ahsoftware.net>
References: <f73a98160703111837l39fd0616r38afdfb051130847@mail.gmail.com>
	<142110932832.20070311185334@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703111927k358f97cdi3f1826f869d46335@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/12/07, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>
>
> This is already BZ #3065. I just updated the version info - you might
> want to add a comment.


Thanks Mark. I tried using RevZilla 2.0.8 to search for appropriate bugs,
but had some problems. Even when I enter 3065, I get and answer dialog:There
were problems extracting data for this bug. Please try again." Doesn't
matter how many tries, nothing. I went to the STS website but it's titled
RevZilla 1.1.2.???

Ken, what is the latest version of RevZilla and where do I get it?

mark, are you accessing BugZilla with RevZilla, and if so, what version. If
not I guess I'll use the Browser interface.

Thanks,

Rev. 2.8.0 build 360
OSX 10.4.8
MacTel
RevZilla 2.0.8


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Mar 11 22:42:58 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:42:58 -0500
Subject: [DOCs] Missing Definition for backslash
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703111927k358f97cdi3f1826f869d46335@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160703111837l39fd0616r38afdfb051130847@mail.gmail.com>
	<142110932832.20070311185334@ahsoftware.net>
	<f73a98160703111927k358f97cdi3f1826f869d46335@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070311214258920226.1197ffc0@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:27:44 +0800, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On 3/12/07, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This is already BZ #3065. I just updated the version info - you might
>> want to add a comment.
> 
> 
> Thanks Mark. I tried using RevZilla 2.0.8 to search for appropriate bugs,
> but had some problems. Even when I enter 3065, I get and answer dialog:There
> were problems extracting data for this bug. Please try again." Doesn't
> matter how many tries, nothing. I went to the STS website but it's titled
> RevZilla 1.1.2.???
> 
> Ken, what is the latest version of RevZilla and where do I get it?

The latest release version is 2.08, but it only worked with the old Rev 
Bugzilla site, so no one is currently using RevZilla to log bugs. I am 
working on a release 2.1, which is about 80% finished - I am hoping to 
have it in beta early this week, but in the meantime you'll have to use 
the Rev web site.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 22:45:26 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:45:26 +0800
Subject: [DOCs] Missing Definition for backslash
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703111927k358f97cdi3f1826f869d46335@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160703111837l39fd0616r38afdfb051130847@mail.gmail.com>
	<142110932832.20070311185334@ahsoftware.net>
	<f73a98160703111927k358f97cdi3f1826f869d46335@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703111945q6389e100j12748355d86eba75@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/12/07, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:

> I went to the STS website but it's titled RevZilla 1.1.2.???
>

Just to clarify, in RevZilla, I clicked on the 'About RevZilla' tab and then
clicked on the little ? question mark icon. That took me to:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla.htm

which is the old v1.1.2.
Going to the STS page and navigating to the downloads gets you to:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm

which is the latest version of RevZilla. Note the 2 at the end.

Sorry for any confusion.

Rev. 2.8.0 build 360
OSX 10.4.8
MacTel
RevZilla 2.0.8

>


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 22:51:55 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:51:55 +0800
Subject: [DOCs] Missing Definition for backslash
In-Reply-To: <20070311214258920226.1197ffc0@sonsothunder.com>
References: <f73a98160703111837l39fd0616r38afdfb051130847@mail.gmail.com>
	<142110932832.20070311185334@ahsoftware.net>
	<f73a98160703111927k358f97cdi3f1826f869d46335@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070311214258920226.1197ffc0@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703111951k4e3c035fi6fecf7a84da0a433@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/12/07, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>
> The latest release version is 2.08, but it only worked with the old Rev
> Bugzilla site, so no one is currently using RevZilla to log bugs.


Ah, that would explain it:-)

Thanks, look forward to 2.1.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Mar 11 23:14:20 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:14:20 -0700
Subject: Having a Dialog Spoken
Message-ID: <45F4C58C.5020008@fourthworld.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On 3/11/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>> I should imagine there is a special way of having the contents of a
>> Dialog spoken, though I don't readily find it.
> 
> If you are just using a Mac, then you can just turn this on in the
> Speech section of the System Prefs.

I haven't been successful getting any standard screen reader on any 
platform to work with my Rev apps.  What's the trick?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 23:15:29 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:15:29 +0800
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <CDF65E67-ED48-4B84-B7DE-83B10E50467B@Cox.Net>
References: <W510098561104181173651607@webmail4>
	<f73a98160703111816v535a368bp66557d8db7446b07@mail.gmail.com>
	<CDF65E67-ED48-4B84-B7DE-83B10E50467B@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703112015k6faa887foba734b3c04106759@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/12/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Kay, Jim, etc.,
>
> Would something like the following work?
>
> put merge("\
> [[the short name of the target]]_\
> [[word 1 of the clickline]]\
> ")\ --end merge
> into gStartHere --The destination of the string


Looks good to me:-)

It would also be conducive to a form whereby if one typed the phrase
> "merge 3", the script editor could replace it with a skeleton
> something like:
>
> put merge("\
> [[ ]]\
> [[ ]]\
> [[ ]]\
> ")\
> into    --The destination of the string
>
> Which can easily be completed. Does this make sense? Since I have yet
> to look at the documentation on "merge", this may be foolish.


Also looks like a sensible way to go. Of course you're unlikely to see your
Script Editor enhancement in the near future so you're probably just going
to have to create your own sheet of skeletons that you can copy and paste.
As agreed, those double square brackets do throw you, but like Rev itself,
once you've used them a bit it becomes very easy.


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 11 23:24:41 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 20:24:41 -0700
Subject: concatenating with the ampersand
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703112015k6faa887foba734b3c04106759@mail.gmail.com>
References: <W510098561104181173651607@webmail4>
	<f73a98160703111816v535a368bp66557d8db7446b07@mail.gmail.com>
	<CDF65E67-ED48-4B84-B7DE-83B10E50467B@Cox.Net>
	<f73a98160703112015k6faa887foba734b3c04106759@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3D38109B-655C-4671-9FB0-5588A302366F@Cox.Net>

Kay, That's encouraging. Maybe a little research will help me know  
what I'm trying to do. (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 11, 2007, at 8:15 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On 3/12/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Kay, Jim, etc.,
>>
>> Would something like the following work?
>>
>> put merge("\
>> [[the short name of the target]]_\
>> [[word 1 of the clickline]]\
>> ")\ --end merge
>> into gStartHere --The destination of the string
>
>
> Looks good to me:-)
>
> It would also be conducive to a form whereby if one typed the phrase
>> "merge 3", the script editor could replace it with a skeleton
>> something like:
>>
>> put merge("\
>> [[ ]]\
>> [[ ]]\
>> [[ ]]\
>> ")\
>> into    --The destination of the string
>>
>> Which can easily be completed. Does this make sense? Since I have yet
>> to look at the documentation on "merge", this may be foolish.
>
>
> Also looks like a sensible way to go. Of course you're unlikely to  
> see your
> Script Editor enhancement in the near future so you're probably  
> just going
> to have to create your own sheet of skeletons that you can copy and  
> paste.
> As agreed, those double square brackets do throw you, but like Rev  
> itself,
> once you've used them a bit it becomes very easy.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 12 00:00:19 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:00:19 -0500
Subject: Having a Dialog Spoken
In-Reply-To: <45F4C58C.5020008@fourthworld.com>
References: <45F4C58C.5020008@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <45F4D053.3010501@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> 
>> On 3/11/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>>> I should imagine there is a special way of having the contents of a
>>> Dialog spoken, though I don't readily find it.
>>
>> If you are just using a Mac, then you can just turn this on in the
>> Speech section of the System Prefs.
> 
> I haven't been successful getting any standard screen reader on any 
> platform to work with my Rev apps.  What's the trick?
> 

I don't think the OS auto-speech works with Rev dialogs, because they 
aren't real OS dialogs, they are just stacks.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 12 00:07:39 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:07:39 -0500
Subject: [DOCs] Missing Definition for backslash
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703111945q6389e100j12748355d86eba75@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f73a98160703111837l39fd0616r38afdfb051130847@mail.gmail.com>
	<142110932832.20070311185334@ahsoftware.net>
	<f73a98160703111927k358f97cdi3f1826f869d46335@mail.gmail.com>
	<f73a98160703111945q6389e100j12748355d86eba75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070311230739334286.bb71a0b2@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:45:26 +0800, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On 3/12/07, Kay C Lan <lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I went to the STS website but it's titled RevZilla 1.1.2.???
>> 
> 
> Just to clarify, in RevZilla, I clicked on the 'About RevZilla' tab and then
> clicked on the little ? question mark icon. That took me to:
> 
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla.htm
> 
> which is the old v1.1.2.
> Going to the STS page and navigating to the downloads gets you to:
> 
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/RevZilla2.htm
> 
> which is the latest version of RevZilla. Note the 2 at the end.

Whoops! Thanks for the catch, Kay... I'll fix that in the next 
version...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Mar 12 00:35:38 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 01:35:38 -0300
Subject: XP and Vista question
Message-ID: <45F4D89A.8020204@howsoft.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

 >The end may draweth nigh: 
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197700789 
http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197800480 
http://gyaku.jp/en/index.php?cmd=contentview&pid=000112 
http://desktoplinux.com/news/NS4958455863.html

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Those articles really did make my weekend. Thanks very much Mark!

Hopefully, Microsoft not only shot themselves in the foot with Vista, 
but the bullet hit something slightly more precious on its way down!

Onward Christian soldiers!

Bob


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar 12 00:42:27 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:42:27 -0700
Subject: Having a Dialog Spoken
Message-ID: <45F4DA33.5060808@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> 
>>> On 3/11/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>>>> I should imagine there is a special way of having the contents of a
>>>> Dialog spoken, though I don't readily find it.
>>>
>>> If you are just using a Mac, then you can just turn this on in the
>>> Speech section of the System Prefs.
>> 
>> I haven't been successful getting any standard screen reader on any 
>> platform to work with my Rev apps.  What's the trick?
>> 
> 
> I don't think the OS auto-speech works with Rev dialogs, because they 
> aren't real OS dialogs, they are just stacks.

Why must stacks be "just stacks"?  Why can't they be rendered using 
enough of the OS to enable things like screen readers?

My blind customers have had to walk from my wares in favor of competing 
products that use normal OS operations. :(

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Mon Mar 12 00:52:35 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:52:35 -0700
Subject: Having a Dialog Spoken
In-Reply-To: <45F4DA33.5060808@fourthworld.com>
References: <45F4DA33.5060808@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <554DC397-980C-4AC3-8620-E2EBF0592E91@Cox.Net>

Richard,

Even though my earlier questions to the list about Externals has been  
pretty much: "with Rev's features you just don't need them"; perhaps  
this is a case in which we do need some externals. So, if we have  
compiled commands which would handle this, how would we call them  
from Rev? Or maybe I should have said, can we call them from Rev? And  
on all platforms?

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 11, 2007, at 9:42 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>>> On 3/11/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>> I should imagine there is a special way of having the contents  
>>>>> of a
>>>>> Dialog spoken, though I don't readily find it.
>>>>
>>>> If you are just using a Mac, then you can just turn this on in the
>>>> Speech section of the System Prefs.
>>> I haven't been successful getting any standard screen reader on  
>>> any platform to work with my Rev apps.  What's the trick?
>> I don't think the OS auto-speech works with Rev dialogs, because  
>> they aren't real OS dialogs, they are just stacks.
>
> Why must stacks be "just stacks"?  Why can't they be rendered using  
> enough of the OS to enable things like screen readers?
>
> My blind customers have had to walk from my wares in favor of  
> competing products that use normal OS operations. :(
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Mar 12 01:12:54 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 00:12:54 -0500
Subject: Having a Dialog Spoken
In-Reply-To: <45F4DA33.5060808@fourthworld.com>
References: <45F4DA33.5060808@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <p06240800c21a9138392a@[192.168.1.101]>

surely an external package could be written to use toolbox calls for 
standard ask, answer, and others like the TEXT/font dialog many apps 
use. At least for MacOSX.

>
>My blind customers have had to walk from my wares in favor of 
>competing products that use normal OS operations. :(
>
>--
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar 12 02:25:45 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 23:25:45 -0700
Subject: Having a Dialog Spoken
Message-ID: <45F4F269.8020207@fourthworld.com>

Stephen Barncard wrote:

 >> Richard wrote:
 >> My blind customers have had to walk from my wares in favor
 >> of competing products that use normal OS operations. :(
 >
 > surely an external package could be written to use toolbox calls for
 > standard ask, answer, and others like the TEXT/font dialog many apps
 > use. At least for MacOSX.

For all the things about OS X, making the first screen reader available 
only with Tiger put them about 10 years behind Windows.  All programs 
that use standard Win API calls to display windows, menus, and controls 
on Win95 forward can be used with a common screen reader.  Most blind 
users I know prefer Win for its more mature support for the blind.

Externals are good for a great many things, but support for screen 
readers isn't a function that's called as much as a fundamental change 
to how controls are rendered.

Once upon a time all controls were emulated to look like native 
controls, but as emulations they didn't reflect any changes to the 
environment, always keeping our Rev apps looking just a bit odd in a 
context of truly native apps.

In more recent years the Rev engine has undergone significant change to 
use native APIs for rendering controls, so our programs now look fully 
integrated with the OS.

If the method by which Rev draws controls were taken a step forward, 
we'd have no only native appearances, but also more native behaviors. 
Screen reader support would only be a happy by-product....

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From fischer.th at aon.at  Mon Mar 12 03:24:23 2007
From: fischer.th at aon.at (Thomas Fischer)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 08:24:23 +0100
Subject: Compiling externals: strcasestr etc.
In-Reply-To: <gemini.ijfgrc00ix3nw02hc.rev@armbase.com>
References: <web-334192947@mail.maclaunch.com>
	<gemini.ijfgrc00ix3nw02hc.rev@armbase.com>
Message-ID: <B865E883-F2BD-46F2-9689-1CF36E9EC7F1@aon.at>

Hello,

while compiling one external using Mac OS 10.4.8, XCode 2.4.1 and the  
"ExternalsEnvironmentV2" provided by the newsletter
I obtained the error:
  error: `strcasestr' undeclared (first use this function)
Can anybody explain this? strstr works without a problem, and the  
external compiles in an older setting of of the XCode environment too.

 From a related problem an additional question:
LowercaseText has been deprecated, but the Unicode-savvy alternative  
CFStringLowercase with a CFMutableString seems pretty complicated.  
Does anybody know a simple method to make parameters like "AND" or  
"even" case-insensitive in an external functions?

Best regards
Thomas Fischer





From fischer.th at aon.at  Mon Mar 12 04:07:52 2007
From: fischer.th at aon.at (Thomas Fischer)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:07:52 +0100
Subject: Compiling externals: infrequent crash
In-Reply-To: <gemini.ijfgrc00ix3nw02hc.rev@armbase.com>
References: <web-334192947@mail.maclaunch.com>
	<gemini.ijfgrc00ix3nw02hc.rev@armbase.com>
Message-ID: <747F7F56-2E4D-4EF1-BB4E-1D746DC1F92C@aon.at>

Hello,

I have compiled an external which crashes Revolution with one  
particular set of parameters (sometimes only after the second or  
third try). The result usually looks like

EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x77777736

Thread 0 Crashed:
0    szone_malloc + 4048
1    malloc + 632
2    0x1000 + 1716868
3    0x1000 + 1716788
4    0x1000 + 1095296
5    0x1000 + 53916
6    0x1000 + 1063632
7    0x1000 + 929736
8    0x1000 + 794376
9    0x1000 + 804988

I tried to look at this in the debugger, but the function itself  
(extracting lines out of a text) always reaches the end without  
problems, the crash happens when the function returns to Revolution.  
(Dreamcard 2.7.2 and Revolution 2.8.0-dp-2 tested).
After the crash I have to tell Revolution twice to quit immediately  
(in the dock) before it finally stops.

The only problem I could make out is that I use the original data  
handle to return the results. I used this on HyperCard externals with  
no problem (that I am aware of), but is this somehow disallowed in  
Revolution? For large amounts of data it seems economical to use the  
existing pointer to write the return values to (admittedly more of a  
concern with my former Mac Plus with 4Mb RAM). I rewrote the external  
with using a copy of the original parameters to return the data and  
haven't had a crash since, but would really like to know if there is  
a general rule.

Best regards
Thomas Fischer



From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr  Mon Mar 12 04:53:31 2007
From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:53:31 +0100
Subject: how to get a list fleld whithout any hilitedLine (before user
	chooses one)
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703111502p53f46a4jbf432d1380141a4c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E8DAB21-E6AC-43E7-8D59-9A2673FBF175@inria.fr>
	<45F2FB8A.3020607@pdslabs.net>
	<f99b52860703111502p53f46a4jbf432d1380141a4c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0D890732-B823-4ED0-B604-0B2D238A36E0@inria.fr>


Le 11 mars 07 ? 23:02, Sarah Reichelt a ?crit :

> If you set the traversalOn of the field to false, this avoids the
> problem Phil mentions. It will also stop the field getting a hilite if
> the stack is resumed with no other clickable field available.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
Nice advice, Sarah ; works well;  thank you very much

Best regards
Andr?


From benr at cogapp.com  Mon Mar 12 05:50:18 2007
From: benr at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:50:18 +0000
Subject: XCMD -> Revolution External shim kit?
Message-ID: <45F5225A.1020403@cogapp.com>

I know - and I agree - most of the XCMDs one used to use can be recoded in 
Transcript, often with no loss of speed, sometimes even an increase, and 
obviously with a gain in portability.

But I am left with a couple of XCMDs that I don't want to be ported to 
transcript, because their value is that they share code with applications 
written in C/C++, and I want to be sure that the XCMD produces exactly the 
same behaviour as the application.  When I switched to Revolution, they 
crashed until I understood that Rev supports v1 of the HC external interface, 
not v2; so I added a bit of shim code for the missing function that this 
external happened to be calling (StrToRect).  Unfortunately, when Rev 2.0 
arrived, these were orphaned; I've been hanging on to these with the app in 
Rev 1.1 but now I really need to move the code into a Revolution external, so 
I can bring the whole shebang up to date.

Looking at the code, there are a lot of functions passing the XCmdPtr around, 
so that callbacks can be made, and results returned.  Of course it would be 
perfectly possible to sit down and rewrite the whole code to avoid all this. 
But it looks to me as if it would be approximately the same effort - perhaps 
even slightly less - to instead extend the shim, so it implements the HC v1 
callbacks that are missing, translates the HC Set/Get global functions into 
the Rev equivalents, and converts the input arguments and parameters.

The result would be a shell Revolution External project, into which one could 
drop the code from an old HC external, and make it available to modern 
versions of Rev with very little effort.

I don't imagine that I'm the first person to have the need to convert an old 
external... so has anyone else produced such a shim kit?   If not, is there 
anyone else who has code that would benefit from it?

- Ben



From mlange at widged.com  Mon Mar 12 07:22:46 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:22:46 +0000
Subject: Word-Processor Icons
In-Reply-To: <534051.20894.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <534051.20894.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F3CF73D1-BB90-40B3-B5AA-D9A0DA317651@widged.com>

Hi Richmond,

Thanks for the contribution. Looks good.

A very nice collection, free of use (attribution license -- link back  
mentioned as a nice gesture) <http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/silk/ 
 >. Limited to small-sized icons, though.

Best,
Marielle

On 10 Mar 2007, at 18:04, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> It Must Be The Weather . . .
>
> Having been 'suckered' to write somebody else's
> software I prepared some images to use as icons in
> Word-Processor ToolBars:
>
> WP ICONS
>
> at RevOnline




From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar 12 08:31:40 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:31:40 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <45F1942E.1060607@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45F02DA9.80705@fourthworld.com>	<476B06DE-3AEE-4B7A-B059-65931BE61971@looktowindward.com>	<45F04C57.8070003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D4ABEE96-8F81-4CD6-AA33-408231DF89F6@looktowindward.com>
	<45F1942E.1060607@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <94ECDB6E-C53A-4C50-B49D-464AF83FBABD@looktowindward.com>


On 9 Mar 2007, at 17:06, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>
>>> the team uses the database as a checklist, and it actually saves  
>>> them a great deal of time because it provides a consolidated list  
>>> for them to consult. They don't have time to monitor the mailing  
>>> list for issues.
>
> I'm just not sure how to make it any clearer. If you have an issue  
> you want addressed, put it into the checklist the team consults.
>
> I'm done with this.

Well, be done with it then! No one forced you to take part in the  
discussion it was your choice. All I am saying that for these small  
changes that only affect the online docs, it would make much more  
sense to just do them, rather than add them to a list. The reason I  
say this is from recent experience:

A couple of months ago one of my customers contacted me about the  
content of one of the fields in an information dialog. The text was  
worded such that it was possible misunderstand what was being said  
and that could lead to records by being deleted by mistake from a  
database. I corrected it there and then and had a new version for  
them within an hour. I could do this since I knew it would not affect  
any other part of the system since it was just displayed text and  
contained no logic and was not referenced by any other part of the  
system. It was so like the case of the "rename" and "delete array  
item" documentation gliches that it sprang to mind immediately. The  
benefits of this approach are:

1.  There is no need to waste time adding it to a database.
2.  There is no need to waste time checking the database.
3.  The customer is impressed with the speedy response and this in  
turn generates a feeling of "being looked after" and customer loyalty.
4.   It is one less thing to worry about.

Of course I can understand the need to have a database to track  
problems that contain logic and implication else where in the system.  
But for simple things like the cases I mention is it a lot better to  
just do them.

Can't you see the sense in this?

All the Best
Dave



From mlange at widged.com  Mon Mar 12 10:01:08 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:01:08 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <94ECDB6E-C53A-4C50-B49D-464AF83FBABD@looktowindward.com>
References: <45F02DA9.80705@fourthworld.com>	<476B06DE-3AEE-4B7A-B059-65931BE61971@looktowindward.com>	<45F04C57.8070003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D4ABEE96-8F81-4CD6-AA33-408231DF89F6@looktowindward.com>
	<45F1942E.1060607@hyperactivesw.com>
	<94ECDB6E-C53A-4C50-B49D-464AF83FBABD@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <4940160F-759F-4913-B664-C722EF861BA5@widged.com>

Dave,

> Can't you see the sense in this?

The recommendations made to you to add an entry to the database are  
not because we believe your recommendations are any inappropriate.

If you take me, for instance, in complete contradiction with what I  
told you (the big and small stone), when recently Klaus signaled me a  
problem with a broken link on my webpage, I went on to fix it  
immediately. In fact, I even toke the opportunity to run a full check  
and correct all other errors on that page. Toke me 10 minutes.

It's not that you are not right. It's that other persons believe that  
an approach different than the one you recommend is a better fit to  
them.

What we tried to tell you is that if you want your comments to be  
taken into account, there is only one way... add an entry to the  
database. It's not guaranteed the change will be implemented any  
soon. What is guaranteed, however, is that problems that are signaled  
on this list won't be taken into account.

Marielle

On 12 Mar 2007, at 12:31, Dave wrote:

> Well, be done with it then! No one forced you to take part in the  
> discussion it was your choice. All I am saying that for these small  
> changes that only affect the online docs, it would make much more  
> sense to just do them, rather than add them to a list. The reason I  
> say this is from recent experience:
>
> A couple of months ago one of my customers contacted me about the  
> content of one of the fields in an information dialog. The text was  
> worded such that it was possible misunderstand what was being said  
> and that could lead to records by being deleted by mistake from a  
> database. I corrected it there and then and had a new version for  
> them within an hour. I could do this since I knew it would not  
> affect any other part of the system since it was just displayed  
> text and contained no logic and was not referenced by any other  
> part of the system. It was so like the case of the "rename" and  
> "delete array item" documentation gliches that it sprang to mind  
> immediately. The benefits of this approach are:
>
> 1.  There is no need to waste time adding it to a database.
> 2.  There is no need to waste time checking the database.
> 3.  The customer is impressed with the speedy response and this in  
> turn generates a feeling of "being looked after" and customer loyalty.
> 4.   It is one less thing to worry about.
>
> Of course I can understand the need to have a database to track  
> problems that contain logic and implication else where in the  
> system. But for simple things like the cases I mention is it a lot  
> better to just do them.
>
> Can't you see the sense in this?
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
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Best regards,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education







From alptex2 at orwell.net  Mon Mar 12 10:15:59 2007
From: alptex2 at orwell.net (Tim Ponn)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:15:59 -0400
Subject: Reading OSX mail attachments
In-Reply-To: <EFB69F69-121F-4C7A-9E2B-B6B55132CC98@gmail.com>
References: <06C5F0B8-31D1-4D1C-83F7-B9CFE2C5CE2E@orwell.net>
	<20070309105104967891.1471552a@sonsothunder.com>
	<EFB69F69-121F-4C7A-9E2B-B6B55132CC98@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A90049E-1FA8-47A2-918D-DF4C59CB01D6@orwell.net>

Hello,

Thanks for your help, but I'm still having problems displaying the  
image correctly.  This snippet from the .eml file says it's base 64:

--FTG_BOUNDRY
Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="Pool Table.jpg"
Content-disposition: attachment
Content-transfer-encoding: base64

But, when I open the file within rev...strip out all the text ahead  
of the attachment...strip out all the junk past the end of the  
attachment...then set the image data of an image to base64Decode 
(theattachment)...I get mostly a black image with a sliver of hash on  
the left side.

I have got to be missing something basic here!


On Mar 9, 2007, at 4:52 PM, Brent Anderson wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I've done something similar with audio clips and those were in base  
> 64 format. A quick base64decode function call should do the trick.
>
> Thanks,
> Brent Anderson
> Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center
>
> On Mar 9, 2007, at 9:51 AM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:55:32 -0500, Tim Ponn wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I have a situation where customer orders come to me via email with a
>>> photo attachment.  It occurred to me that I could use rev to  
>>> create a
>>> db front end that could be pointed at the appropriate mailbox folder
>>> and then have it extract each message.  Then, each message becomes a
>>> record in my db.
>>>
>>> Extracting the data is a piece o cake.  Then I come to the
>>> attachment.  Apple apparently uses a compression technique to store
>>> the image (jpg, bmp, whatever) within each individual message.  Has
>>> anybody fiddled with reading and displaying these attachments?  Any
>>> thoughts?  Ideas?  Laughs? ;=)
>>
>> Well, as a last resort you could leave it in Mail, and then use
>> AppleScript to get at the message and its attachments. Barring  
>> that, I
>> haven't had to read embedded mail attachments directly, but I'd  
>> assume
>> they are either BinHexed or AppleDouble encoded...
>>
>>
>> Ken Ray
>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.



Best Regards,

Timothy R. Ponn






From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 12 10:51:35 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 09:51:35 -0500
Subject: Reading OSX mail attachments
In-Reply-To: <5A90049E-1FA8-47A2-918D-DF4C59CB01D6@orwell.net>
References: <06C5F0B8-31D1-4D1C-83F7-B9CFE2C5CE2E@orwell.net>
	<20070309105104967891.1471552a@sonsothunder.com>
	<EFB69F69-121F-4C7A-9E2B-B6B55132CC98@gmail.com>
	<5A90049E-1FA8-47A2-918D-DF4C59CB01D6@orwell.net>
Message-ID: <20070312095135601328.9bdf41ea@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:15:59 -0400, Tim Ponn wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Thanks for your help, but I'm still having problems displaying the 
> image correctly.  This snippet from the .eml file says it's base 64:
> 
> --FTG_BOUNDRY
> Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="Pool Table.jpg"
> Content-disposition: attachment
> Content-transfer-encoding: base64
> 
> But, when I open the file within rev...strip out all the text ahead 
> of the attachment...strip out all the junk past the end of the 
> attachment...then set the image data of an image to 
> base64Decode(theattachment)...I get mostly a black image with a 
> sliver of hash on the left side.
> 
> I have got to be missing something basic here!

Do you know ahead of time the size of the image? Because before you set 
the imageData of an image, you need to have the rect of the image be 
correct otherwise you'll get garbage. I would suggest pumping the 
base64Decode(theattachment) to a binary file called "Pool Table.jpg" 
and then importing that image from disk (or set the filename of an 
empty image to the file path).

Just my 2 cents,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From alptex2 at orwell.net  Mon Mar 12 11:12:40 2007
From: alptex2 at orwell.net (Tim Ponn)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:12:40 -0400
Subject: Reading OSX mail attachments
In-Reply-To: <20070312095135601328.9bdf41ea@sonsothunder.com>
References: <06C5F0B8-31D1-4D1C-83F7-B9CFE2C5CE2E@orwell.net>
	<20070309105104967891.1471552a@sonsothunder.com>
	<EFB69F69-121F-4C7A-9E2B-B6B55132CC98@gmail.com>
	<5A90049E-1FA8-47A2-918D-DF4C59CB01D6@orwell.net>
	<20070312095135601328.9bdf41ea@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4C6CA7DF-5D71-4117-BB50-18FC74BDE1F8@orwell.net>

Ken,

Yes, I do have the image in my rev stack set to the same as the  
original jpeg image..in this case 350 x 232.

For what it's worth, once I isolate (theAttachment), I also put  
base64Decode(theAttachment) into a field.  I then opened the original  
Pool Table.jpg with a text editor.  They look identical and they are  
the same length...well...the jpg file has 3 extra bytes, but I would  
attribute this to eof.

Because the slice of hash is about 1/16 the width of the image that I  
end up with (the balance being black), is it possible that  
base64Decode is actually hex, and not binary?  Maybe coincidence?

On Mar 12, 2007, at 10:51 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 10:15:59 -0400, Tim Ponn wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Thanks for your help, but I'm still having problems displaying the
>> image correctly.  This snippet from the .eml file says it's base 64:
>>
>> --FTG_BOUNDRY
>> Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="Pool Table.jpg"
>> Content-disposition: attachment
>> Content-transfer-encoding: base64
>>
>> But, when I open the file within rev...strip out all the text ahead
>> of the attachment...strip out all the junk past the end of the
>> attachment...then set the image data of an image to
>> base64Decode(theattachment)...I get mostly a black image with a
>> sliver of hash on the left side.
>>
>> I have got to be missing something basic here!
>
> Do you know ahead of time the size of the image? Because before you  
> set
> the imageData of an image, you need to have the rect of the image be
> correct otherwise you'll get garbage. I would suggest pumping the
> base64Decode(theattachment) to a binary file called "Pool Table.jpg"
> and then importing that image from disk (or set the filename of an
> empty image to the file path).
>
> Just my 2 cents,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>

Best Regards,

Timothy R. Ponn





From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Mar 12 11:23:16 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:23:16 +0000
Subject: Reading OSX mail attachments
In-Reply-To: <5A90049E-1FA8-47A2-918D-DF4C59CB01D6@orwell.net>
References: <06C5F0B8-31D1-4D1C-83F7-B9CFE2C5CE2E@orwell.net>
	<20070309105104967891.1471552a@sonsothunder.com>
	<EFB69F69-121F-4C7A-9E2B-B6B55132CC98@gmail.com>
	<5A90049E-1FA8-47A2-918D-DF4C59CB01D6@orwell.net>
Message-ID: <E6570929-0F57-4F0C-911A-C597944B0CC5@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 12 Mar 2007, at 14:15, Tim Ponn wrote:
> But, when I open the file within rev...strip out all the text ahead  
> of the attachment...strip out all the junk past the end of the  
> attachment...then set the image data of an image to base64Decode 
> (theattachment)...I get mostly a black image with a sliver of hash  
> on the left side.


When you say "set the image data of an image" do you mean the  
imageData property. I don't think this will work with jpeg data. The  
imageData format is an iternal pixel by pixel format used by Rev with  
no compression. Instead, try something like this:

   put base64Decode(theattachment) into image "myImage"

Cheers
Dave


From alptex2 at orwell.net  Mon Mar 12 11:37:47 2007
From: alptex2 at orwell.net (Tim Ponn)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 11:37:47 -0400
Subject: Reading OSX mail attachments
In-Reply-To: <E6570929-0F57-4F0C-911A-C597944B0CC5@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <06C5F0B8-31D1-4D1C-83F7-B9CFE2C5CE2E@orwell.net>
	<20070309105104967891.1471552a@sonsothunder.com>
	<EFB69F69-121F-4C7A-9E2B-B6B55132CC98@gmail.com>
	<5A90049E-1FA8-47A2-918D-DF4C59CB01D6@orwell.net>
	<E6570929-0F57-4F0C-911A-C597944B0CC5@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EC4C0358-9407-402A-8E92-A0BDC418F5A6@orwell.net>

Dave,

Thanks, but that didn't work either.  What I get now is a completely  
white image, and when I look at it's imageData it's zero length.


On Mar 12, 2007, at 11:23 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:

> put base64Decode(theattachment) into image "myImage"




Best Regards,

Timothy R. Ponn





From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar 12 11:49:31 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:49:31 +0000
Subject: Moving a File
In-Reply-To: <4940160F-759F-4913-B664-C722EF861BA5@widged.com>
References: <45F02DA9.80705@fourthworld.com>	<476B06DE-3AEE-4B7A-B059-65931BE61971@looktowindward.com>	<45F04C57.8070003@hyperactivesw.com>
	<D4ABEE96-8F81-4CD6-AA33-408231DF89F6@looktowindward.com>
	<45F1942E.1060607@hyperactivesw.com>
	<94ECDB6E-C53A-4C50-B49D-464AF83FBABD@looktowindward.com>
	<4940160F-759F-4913-B664-C722EF861BA5@widged.com>
Message-ID: <88785450-54EA-47C3-AF9C-F4DB3CE257C3@looktowindward.com>

Hi Marielle,

Thank you for taking the time to explain what you meant, if has made  
things a lot easier for me to understand.

I guess it's all down to your background and experience. I am used to  
working for and having my own company that is customer and quality  
focused, as well as dealing with companies that provide this kind of  
service level. Whereas I suppose if you come from a more academic  
background and/or are not used to and don't have the experience in  
providing good developer/customer relations you will have a totally  
different way of doing things.

Thanks again, that really did make all the difference in  
understanding the thought processes/reasoning behind a lot of things  
that go on in the wonderful world of RunRev!

Take Care and All the Best
Dave

On 12 Mar 2007, at 14:01, Marielle Lange wrote:

> Dave,
>
>> Can't you see the sense in this?
>
> The recommendations made to you to add an entry to the database are  
> not because we believe your recommendations are any inappropriate.
>
> If you take me, for instance, in complete contradiction with what I  
> told you (the big and small stone), when recently Klaus signaled me  
> a problem with a broken link on my webpage, I went on to fix it  
> immediately. In fact, I even toke the opportunity to run a full  
> check and correct all other errors on that page. Toke me 10 minutes.
>
> It's not that you are not right. It's that other persons believe  
> that an approach different than the one you recommend is a better  
> fit to them.
>
> What we tried to tell you is that if you want your comments to be  
> taken into account, there is only one way... add an entry to the  
> database. It's not guaranteed the change will be implemented any  
> soon. What is guaranteed, however, is that problems that are  
> signaled on this list won't be taken into account.
>
> Marielle
>
> On 12 Mar 2007, at 12:31, Dave wrote:
>
>> Well, be done with it then! No one forced you to take part in the  
>> discussion it was your choice. All I am saying that for these  
>> small changes that only affect the online docs, it would make much  
>> more sense to just do them, rather than add them to a list. The  
>> reason I say this is from recent experience:
>>
>> A couple of months ago one of my customers contacted me about the  
>> content of one of the fields in an information dialog. The text  
>> was worded such that it was possible misunderstand what was being  
>> said and that could lead to records by being deleted by mistake  
>> from a database. I corrected it there and then and had a new  
>> version for them within an hour. I could do this since I knew it  
>> would not affect any other part of the system since it was just  
>> displayed text and contained no logic and was not referenced by  
>> any other part of the system. It was so like the case of the  
>> "rename" and "delete array item" documentation gliches that it  
>> sprang to mind immediately. The benefits of this approach are:
>>
>> 1.  There is no need to waste time adding it to a database.
>> 2.  There is no need to waste time checking the database.
>> 3.  The customer is impressed with the speedy response and this in  
>> turn generates a feeling of "being looked after" and customer  
>> loyalty.
>> 4.   It is one less thing to worry about.
>>
>> Of course I can understand the need to have a database to track  
>> problems that contain logic and implication else where in the  
>> system. But for simple things like the cases I mention is it a lot  
>> better to just do them.
>>
>> Can't you see the sense in this?
>>
>> All the Best
>
> Best regards,
> Marielle



From joel.guillod at net2000.ch  Mon Mar 12 11:50:10 2007
From: joel.guillod at net2000.ch (Joel Guillod)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:50:10 +0100
Subject: shell() in a separate thread with callback message at exit?
In-Reply-To: <20070312013741.18223488FEE@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070312013741.18223488FEE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4C2852BC-74DE-448A-B90A-92E6CF5F711C@net2000.ch>

> Here is an example script that does a ping. The handler includes the
> post-processing of the result, but you can just ignore that.
>
> function checkPing pIP
> ...
>    put "ping -c1 -n "  & pIP into tShellCmd
>    put " > " & tFileName & " 2>&1 &" after tShellCmd

Thank you a lot Sarah. Your code let me discover the "wait .. with  
messages" which I have never been aware of (the old Hypercard  
practice?). This can actually do the job I am searching for. Also,  
your example raises two questions:

1.- Is there somewhere some documentation on synchronous/asynchronos  
parallel/threaded Transcript execution? I would like to learn about  
other such great features native in Transcript...

2.- I understand the shell command you wrote up to "ping -c1 -n  
192.168.0.1" and even the "&" mandatory for executing the shell in a  
separate thread but I dont understand the "2>&1 &". Could you  
explain? Do you have a good MacOSX/Un*x tutorial on the shell commands?

Best to you,

Jo?l

From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar 12 12:23:16 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:23:16 +0000
Subject: Ideas and Suggestions on Generating Frames for a Movie
In-Reply-To: <5A90049E-1FA8-47A2-918D-DF4C59CB01D6@orwell.net>
References: <06C5F0B8-31D1-4D1C-83F7-B9CFE2C5CE2E@orwell.net>
	<20070309105104967891.1471552a@sonsothunder.com>
	<EFB69F69-121F-4C7A-9E2B-B6B55132CC98@gmail.com>
	<5A90049E-1FA8-47A2-918D-DF4C59CB01D6@orwell.net>
Message-ID: <1722D5B9-9EBF-4EA8-AC01-2E329F94BF7F@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

I have a new project coming up in two weeks or so. It's to generate  
test movies for use in the analysis of TV, Film and Video Game  
equipment.

The type of thing that is needed is to allow the user to set a Frame  
Size and rate (Frames Per Second), specify a background color, shapes  
that fit within the Frame (Rectangles, Circles, Polygons, etc), the  
movement of the shapes and the number of frames that this should last  
for. For example:

The User sets a frame size of 1024 x 768 and 25 FPS.

The User sets the Background color to white.

The User sets a Rectangle of 256 x 256 and a color of black, starting  
at the top left of the frame.

The User sets the number of frames to 100 and starts the movie. This  
should then generate a 4 second movie that white except for a black  
rectangle covering just over 25% of the picture.

This is a very simple case, a slight more complicated one would be  
the same as above, but the 256 x 256 rectangle should change color  
from/to black to red every 5 frames.

To add some more complexity the rectangle should move back and forth  
between position 0,0 and 500, 300 every 5 frames.

And so on..........................

I know how to do most of this. I have an external command module that  
can generate QuickTime movies and I know how to  create rectangles  
etc and move them around the frame. However I am not sure how to  
render everything inside the frame, e.g. what I would like to be able  
to do is it put the background pixels into a pixel buffer, then the  
pixels of each object in the frame into a the same pixel buffer  
(overwriting the background) and then pass this buffer to an external  
command that would write one frame of the QuickTime movie. After  
writing a frame, it would then change the colors of the objects,  
perform any movement or size change and render out the next frame.

The movie doesn't have to be written in "real time", it really  
doesn't matter if it takes 30 seconds to generate 10 a second movie.

Not sure if this can be done in RunRev?

All the Best
Dave



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Mar 12 12:56:54 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:56:54 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45F58656.4010302@howsoft.com>

For various reasons I won't attempt to discuss now, the UR-List Linux 
sub-community is smaller than it should be. With a large community, if 
one person doesn't know the answer to a technical problem, probably 
another person does. But when you have only a handful of people, the 
chances of getting a technical question answered are considerably 
reduced. I have asked two technical questions on-List recently which 
have not been answered. I actually need answers to my questions, 
otherwise I wouldn't have asked them. These 2 questions could probably 
be answered by a Rev engineer in a jiffy:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. In Rev Linux 2.6.1, can foreign symbols (with accents) be printed on 
the printer or not?

2. Why doesn't the following work?

 put "smbclient\ \\\\john\\c\ mount" into procToDo
 open process procToDo for update
 write "dir" to process procToDo   [or "dir" & return]
 read from process procToDo until eof
 put it into field "test"
 quit
 close process  procToDo

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, for various reasons I won't attempt to discuss now, Mark 
Waddingham and others no longer participate on the UR-List. The person 
at the gateway of Rev technical support nowadays seems to be Jacque more 
or less exclusively, so I suppose the suggestion I am about to make is 
addressed to her. (But I am making it publicly so that other Linux users 
can benefit from the answer.) Jacque does a splendid job, but naturally 
her experience with Linux is less than it is with Macintosh and Windows. 
As I learned from my last contact with Rev technical support, she 
doesn't even have access to a Linux machine, so for example, instead of 
verifying a reported Linux bug in a couple of seconds, she needs to 
exchange a number of e-mails with the Linux user in order to adequately 
understand the problem.

My question is, can something be done about this? Jacque: If you see 
that a simple Linux-specific question doesn't get answered on-List, is 
there a way that some kind of answer can be extracted from the Rev 
engineers?

Bob




From runrev at animabit.de  Mon Mar 12 13:11:38 2007
From: runrev at animabit.de (runrev at animabit.de)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:11:38 +0000
Subject: Re-2: iGame3D Rev External
Message-ID: <DIIE.0000023A000051E6@animabit.de>

Hi, Mark

I got igame3d to work on win
but where can I find the Ants game?

> 
> I had a great time playing the Ants game.  Nice demo for the technology.
> 
> -Mark
> _______________________________________________

Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Franz B?hmisch

boehmisch at animabit.de
http://www.animabit.de
GF Animabit Multimedia Software GmbH
Am Sonnenhang 22
D-94136 Thyrnau
Tel +49 (0)8501-8538
Fax +49 (0)8501-8537

From bleiler at buffalo.edu  Mon Mar 12 13:09:35 2007
From: bleiler at buffalo.edu (Tim Bleiler)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:09:35 -0400
Subject: Menu Font on Windows
Message-ID: <7D7EF9B4-8966-4E71-9F88-B91B9AD38A89@buffalo.edu>

Hi,

I'd like my application to respect the user settings for fonts etc.  
in the windows menu bar that I create.
I've queried the registry for the user font information but I can't  
figure out where the font size and font color information is stored.

Anyone know how to do this?

Thanks,
Tim Bleiler
Instructional Designer, University at Buffalo


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 12 13:44:50 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:44:50 -0500
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <45F58656.4010302@howsoft.com>
References: <45F58656.4010302@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <45F59192.9030901@hyperactivesw.com>

Bob Warren wrote:

> The person 
> at the gateway of Rev technical support nowadays seems to be Jacque more 
> or less exclusively, so I suppose the suggestion I am about to make is 
> addressed to her.

Pretty much true for technical questions. Heather fields everything 
else, but if it involves scripting or engine behavior, the question gets 
placed into my queue. I work a couple of hours every morning (my local 
US time) and clear my queue daily. For non-US residents, that's often 
late afternoon or sometimes evening.

> (But I am making it publicly so that other Linux users 
> can benefit from the answer.) Jacque does a splendid job, but naturally 
> her experience with Linux is less than it is with Macintosh and Windows. 
> As I learned from my last contact with Rev technical support, she 
> doesn't even have access to a Linux machine, so for example, instead of 
> verifying a reported Linux bug in a couple of seconds, she needs to 
> exchange a number of e-mails with the Linux user in order to adequately 
> understand the problem.

Again, true. I have to ask someone on the team to verify and answer. 
There are a couple of people there who can do that, but they are not 
directly involved in tech support (nor should they be.) So you are 
right, I need to find someone to ask. On the other hand, I'm developing 
a list of common questions that I can now answer with boilerplate -- but 
if it isn't something pretty basic, I need to forward the question to a 
team member (and your stuff isn't basic. ;)) Due to the differences in 
time zones, they usually don't even see my request until the next day so 
there is an unavoidable lag which doesn't help either.

> My question is, can something be done about this? Jacque: If you see 
> that a simple Linux-specific question doesn't get answered on-List, is 
> there a way that some kind of answer can be extracted from the Rev 
> engineers?

Well, technically it would have to come through the support queue if you 
want to make sure I see it. I don't always read questions about things 
I'm not familiar with, I just assume someone else will answer. I do 
usually catch my own name though, so if you specifically ask me on the 
list I'll try to find out. I can't guarantee an immediate response, 
since it will depend on the availability of the people I need to ask, 
what time of day I see your question, and whether anyone on the team is 
around. But I'll forward to them when I see it.

One note of hope is that the whole unix engine is being rewritten and it 
is likely that much of what's broken now will be fixed soon. Or at 
least, that's the idea.

I am sympathetic to your position, if that helps. And I do intend to 
install some version of 'nix and get going with it when I get a chance. 
That can only help my own business, as well as the level of support I 
can provide to RR customers. I found Peter's recent list of distros very 
helpful in making a decision.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Mon Mar 12 14:51:23 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:51:23 -0500
Subject: Printing Japanese text
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312134837.0aa608f0@exchange.slg.com>

Hopefully I am overlooking something simple.  I have a card with Japanese 
text.  When I print it, the text is replaced with a black bar.  This is on 
a Mac, printing to an HP LJ4050.

I set the textFont of the field to "Osaka,Japanese".  I set the 
formatForPrinting to true.

I've print Japanese on this printer, from this Mac in Word.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588 



From index at kenjikojima.com  Mon Mar 12 15:15:55 2007
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:15:55 -0400
Subject: Printing Japanese text
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312134837.0aa608f0@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312134837.0aa608f0@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <B6A2896B-657E-47E9-8361-0512F0F5DD67@kenjikojima.com>

Peter,

I think you cannot print Japanese text field.
But it works.
print this cd from the topLeft of fld 1 to the bottomRight of fld 1

--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/




On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> Hopefully I am overlooking something simple.  I have a card with  
> Japanese text.  When I print it, the text is replaced with a black  
> bar.  This is on a Mac, printing to an HP LJ4050.
>
> I set the textFont of the field to "Osaka,Japanese".  I set the  
> formatForPrinting to true.
>
> I've print Japanese on this printer, from this Mac in Word.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Peter T. Evensen
> http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
> 314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Mon Mar 12 16:05:23 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:05:23 -0500
Subject: Printing Japanese text
In-Reply-To: <B6A2896B-657E-47E9-8361-0512F0F5DD67@kenjikojima.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312134837.0aa608f0@exchange.slg.com>
	<B6A2896B-657E-47E9-8361-0512F0F5DD67@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312150239.0ae68c50@exchange.slg.com>

Hello Kojima-san

I tried what you wrote and it doesn't work here.  I just get a solid black 
bar where my text is.  This happens if I do a Print This Card from the ID 
and click Preview, so it isn't a printer issue.

I am using Revolution 2.8.0.  I haven't tried another version of Revolution 
yet.

Any other ideas?

At 02:15 PM 3/12/2007, you wrote:
>Peter,
>
>I think you cannot print Japanese text field.
>But it works.
>print this cd from the topLeft of fld 1 to the bottomRight of fld 1
>
>--
>Kenji Kojima
>http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>
>
>
>
>On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>
>>Hopefully I am overlooking something simple.  I have a card with
>>Japanese text.  When I print it, the text is replaced with a black
>>bar.  This is on a Mac, printing to an HP LJ4050.
>>
>>I set the textFont of the field to "Osaka,Japanese".  I set the
>>formatForPrinting to true.
>>
>>I've print Japanese on this printer, from this Mac in Word.
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Peter T. Evensen
>>http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
>>314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588
>>_______________________________________________
>>use-revolution mailing list
>>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>subscription preferences:
>>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>_______________________________________________
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>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>subscription preferences:
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Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588 



From jiml at netrin.com  Mon Mar 12 16:24:25 2007
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:24:25 -0700
Subject: Ideas and Suggestions on Generating Frames for a Movie
In-Reply-To: <20070312170003.D91E448901D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070312170003.D91E448901D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <264d3c33740c6de82315917537ce900f@netrin.com>

> what I would like to be able
> to do is it put the background pixels into a pixel buffer, then the
> pixels of each object in the frame into a the same pixel buffer
> (overwriting the background) and then pass this buffer to an external
> command that would write one frame of the QuickTime movie.

Import snapshot would give you an image of the current frame.
Depending on the capabilities of your QuickTime thingy you might be 
able to pass the imagedata of that image directly to it.
Or,
export snapshot to create a numbered series of JPEGs which is then 
post-processed by your QuickTime thingy into a movie.

Jim Lambert



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 12 17:06:05 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:06:05 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Major Windows DST Bug
Message-ID: <20070312160605644387.af07be39@sonsothunder.com>

I have uncovered a Major (BLOCKER) Windows bug related to the most 
recent change in Daylight Savings Time for the United States. 
Revolution will overcompensate for the DST by adding and additional 
hour to the time whenever you execute 'convert'. To see what I mean, 
make sure you have "Automatically adjust clock for Daylight Savings 
Time" turned on in your Date/Time prefs, launch Rev (or MC) under at 
least XP Pro or Vista Home Premium (the two systems I tested), and type:

  put the time into x;convert x to long time;put x

You should see that the time you get back is one more hour ahead of 
your current time. So if it is currently 2:05 PM without the DST 
adjustment, and you have the checkbox checked, Windows will show that 
it is 3:05 PM (correct). But if you run the code above, x will be 
"4:05:00 PM".

I can only assume that when Rev asks the OS for the time it gets two 
factors the non-adjusted time, and a flag whether DST is currently 
applied. In the past, Windows would have handed over "2:05" and "True" 
(in the example above), and Rev would have adjusted the time 
accordingly. But the latest Windows XP/Vista DST patch seems to be 
handing over the ADJUSTED time, and the flag, so it would hand over 
"3:05" and "True", so Rev is over-adjusting by another hour.

There is no easy scripted fix other than finding every location where 
'convert' is used and parsing strings into chunks.... yechh!

I have logged this into Bugzilla as bug #4526.

This is a MAJOR BLOCKER problem and is going to hit a LOT of people, so 
forwarned is forearmed...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr  Mon Mar 12 17:27:29 2007
From: thierry.arbellot at wanadoo.fr (Thierry Arbellot)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:27:29 +0100
Subject: Compiling externals: strcasestr etc.
In-Reply-To: <B865E883-F2BD-46F2-9689-1CF36E9EC7F1@aon.at>
References: <web-334192947@mail.maclaunch.com>
	<gemini.ijfgrc00ix3nw02hc.rev@armbase.com>
	<B865E883-F2BD-46F2-9689-1CF36E9EC7F1@aon.at>
Message-ID: <0ED49285-09DF-4421-B307-CFB9A7094990@wanadoo.fr>

Hi Thomas,

Here is a C function to change the case of a text.

void		myLowercaseText(
	char	*text)
{
	CFStringRef	theString;
	
	theString = CFStringCreateWithCString 
(kCFAllocatorDefault,text,kCFStringEncodingMacRoman);
	if( theString ) {
		CFStringLowercase((CFMutableStringRef)theString,NULL);
		CFStringGetCString(theString,text,strlen(text) 
+1,kCFStringEncodingMacRoman);
		CFRelease(theString);
	}

	return;
}

Hope it helps
Thierry

On 2007, Mar 12, at 08:24, Thomas Fischer wrote:

> Hello,
>
> while compiling one external using Mac OS 10.4.8, XCode 2.4.1 and  
> the "ExternalsEnvironmentV2" provided by the newsletter
> I obtained the error:
>  error: `strcasestr' undeclared (first use this function)
> Can anybody explain this? strstr works without a problem, and the  
> external compiles in an older setting of of the XCode environment too.
>
> From a related problem an additional question:
> LowercaseText has been deprecated, but the Unicode-savvy  
> alternative CFStringLowercase with a CFMutableString seems pretty  
> complicated. Does anybody know a simple method to make parameters  
> like "AND" or "even" case-insensitive in an external functions?
>
> Best regards
> Thomas Fischer




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Mar 12 17:30:58 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:30:58 -0600
Subject: [ANN] Major Windows DST Bug
In-Reply-To: <20070312160605644387.af07be39@sonsothunder.com>
References: <20070312160605644387.af07be39@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <F6F7A090-7A18-426A-BCDC-0E3F4794C244@byu.edu>


On Mar 12, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> I have uncovered a Major (BLOCKER) Windows bug related to the most
> recent change in Daylight Savings Time for the United States.
> Revolution will overcompensate for the DST by adding and additional
> hour to the time whenever you execute 'convert'. To see what I mean,
> make sure you have "Automatically adjust clock for Daylight Savings
> Time" turned on in your Date/Time prefs, launch Rev (or MC) under at
> least XP Pro or Vista Home Premium (the two systems I tested), and  
> type:
>
>   put the time into x;convert x to long time;put x
>
> You should see that the time you get back is one more hour ahead of
> your current time. So if it is currently 2:05 PM without the DST
> adjustment, and you have the checkbox checked, Windows will show that
> it is 3:05 PM (correct). But if you run the code above, x will be
> "4:05:00 PM".
>
> I can only assume that when Rev asks the OS for the time it gets two
> factors the non-adjusted time, and a flag whether DST is currently
> applied. In the past, Windows would have handed over "2:05" and "True"
> (in the example above), and Rev would have adjusted the time
> accordingly. But the latest Windows XP/Vista DST patch seems to be
> handing over the ADJUSTED time, and the flag, so it would hand over
> "3:05" and "True", so Rev is over-adjusting by another hour.
>
> There is no easy scripted fix other than finding every location where
> 'convert' is used and parsing strings into chunks.... yechh!
>
> I have logged this into Bugzilla as bug #4526.
>
> This is a MAJOR BLOCKER problem and is going to hit a LOT of  
> people, so
> forwarned is forearmed...

Talk about timing! I was just this minute debugging a Rev-based  
scheduling app that is working fine on my Mac, but on XP the time  
returned when I request a certain time on the schedule are *2 hours  
ahead* of what they should be. (I have the "Automatically adjust"  
flag set to true in Windows.) Oy! I use convert heavily in this app,  
too.

This seems like a problem with the windows DST patch, not Rev. So  
shouldn't Microsoft fix it? Surely Rev isn't the only application  
affected by it.

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 12 17:34:45 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:34:45 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Major Windows DST Bug
In-Reply-To: <F6F7A090-7A18-426A-BCDC-0E3F4794C244@byu.edu>
References: <20070312160605644387.af07be39@sonsothunder.com>
	<F6F7A090-7A18-426A-BCDC-0E3F4794C244@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <20070312163445843246.c2c3d721@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:30:58 -0600, Devin Asay wrote:


> This seems like a problem with the windows DST patch, not Rev. So 
> shouldn't Microsoft fix it? Surely Rev isn't the only application 
> affected by it.

Agreed - though having it on RunRev's bug list may help in spurring 
communication with MS to get this fixed... at least they can provide 
the technical details of what they're asking for and what they're 
getting (I am only speculating as to the reason this is happening).


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 12 17:39:36 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:39:36 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Major Windows DST Bug
In-Reply-To: <20070312160605644387.af07be39@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <C21B16A8.43E07%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/12/07 2:06 PM, "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

> I have uncovered a Major (BLOCKER) Windows bug related to the most
> recent change in Daylight Savings Time for the United States.
> Revolution will overcompensate for the DST by adding and additional
> hour to the time whenever you execute 'convert'.
(full text below)

Yes, Ken, we have already discovered the Windows XP bug but weren't sure
what was going on until your email.  My networking apps (9 of them) are
clobbered.  That means our business is dead in the water until I can do a
rewrite, but that is not a simple task for us.  Fortunately,  most of our
computers are OSX and don't have to be fixed... at this time.

For us, timing is critical to-the-second, so I am going to build a
time-stamp-message system so we don't have to rely on a Rev function, or one
of the operating systems/platforms in any of the countries we operate.

Very expensive so far, since the core engine has to run on WinXP.  Looks
like a compatibility switch needs to be added to apps to test DST+WinXP+
greater than 2006+(?)+(?).  And what about virtual machines?  Does XP
running in Parallels send the "2:05" rather than "3:05"?

Jim Ault


On 3/12/07 2:06 PM, "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

> I have uncovered a Major (BLOCKER) Windows bug related to the most
> recent change in Daylight Savings Time for the United States.
> Revolution will overcompensate for the DST by adding and additional
> hour to the time whenever you execute 'convert'. To see what I mean,
> make sure you have "Automatically adjust clock for Daylight Savings
> Time" turned on in your Date/Time prefs, launch Rev (or MC) under at
> least XP Pro or Vista Home Premium (the two systems I tested), and type:
> 
>   put the time into x;convert x to long time;put x
> 
> You should see that the time you get back is one more hour ahead of
> your current time. So if it is currently 2:05 PM without the DST
> adjustment, and you have the checkbox checked, Windows will show that
> it is 3:05 PM (correct). But if you run the code above, x will be
> "4:05:00 PM".
> 
> I can only assume that when Rev asks the OS for the time it gets two
> factors the non-adjusted time, and a flag whether DST is currently
> applied. In the past, Windows would have handed over "2:05" and "True"
> (in the example above), and Rev would have adjusted the time
> accordingly. But the latest Windows XP/Vista DST patch seems to be
> handing over the ADJUSTED time, and the flag, so it would hand over
> "3:05" and "True", so Rev is over-adjusting by another hour.
> 
> There is no easy scripted fix other than finding every location where
> 'convert' is used and parsing strings into chunks.... yechh!
> 
> I have logged this into Bugzilla as bug #4526.
> 
> This is a MAJOR BLOCKER problem and is going to hit a LOT of people, so
> forwarned is forearmed...
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Mon Mar 12 17:50:27 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:50:27 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Major Windows DST Bug
In-Reply-To: <C21B16A8.43E07%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C21B16A8.43E07%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <55C6376C-F67C-41D6-B283-626439B50988@Cox.Net>

Would this problem have occurred if DLST had occurred at the usual  
time? I should think so; meaning that XP hasn't been working  
correctly for some time???

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> On 3/12/07 2:06 PM, "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>
>> I have uncovered a Major (BLOCKER) Windows bug related to the most
>> recent change in Daylight Savings Time for the United States.
>> Revolution will overcompensate for the DST by adding and additional
>> hour to the time whenever you execute 'convert'.
> (full text below)
>
> Yes, Ken, we have already discovered the Windows XP bug but weren't  
> sure
> what was going on until your email.  My networking apps (9 of them)  
> are
> clobbered.  That means our business is dead in the water until I  
> can do a
> rewrite, but that is not a simple task for us.  Fortunately,  most  
> of our
> computers are OSX and don't have to be fixed... at this time.
>
> For us, timing is critical to-the-second, so I am going to build a
> time-stamp-message system so we don't have to rely on a Rev  
> function, or one
> of the operating systems/platforms in any of the countries we operate.
>
> Very expensive so far, since the core engine has to run on WinXP.   
> Looks
> like a compatibility switch needs to be added to apps to test DST 
> +WinXP+
> greater than 2006+(?)+(?).  And what about virtual machines?  Does XP
> running in Parallels send the "2:05" rather than "3:05"?
>
> Jim Ault
>
>
> On 3/12/07 2:06 PM, "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>
>> I have uncovered a Major (BLOCKER) Windows bug related to the most
>> recent change in Daylight Savings Time for the United States.
>> Revolution will overcompensate for the DST by adding and additional
>> hour to the time whenever you execute 'convert'. To see what I mean,
>> make sure you have "Automatically adjust clock for Daylight Savings
>> Time" turned on in your Date/Time prefs, launch Rev (or MC) under at
>> least XP Pro or Vista Home Premium (the two systems I tested), and  
>> type:
>>
>>   put the time into x;convert x to long time;put x
>>
>> You should see that the time you get back is one more hour ahead of
>> your current time. So if it is currently 2:05 PM without the DST
>> adjustment, and you have the checkbox checked, Windows will show that
>> it is 3:05 PM (correct). But if you run the code above, x will be
>> "4:05:00 PM".
>>
>> I can only assume that when Rev asks the OS for the time it gets two
>> factors the non-adjusted time, and a flag whether DST is currently
>> applied. In the past, Windows would have handed over "2:05" and  
>> "True"
>> (in the example above), and Rev would have adjusted the time
>> accordingly. But the latest Windows XP/Vista DST patch seems to be
>> handing over the ADJUSTED time, and the flag, so it would hand over
>> "3:05" and "True", so Rev is over-adjusting by another hour.
>>
>> There is no easy scripted fix other than finding every location where
>> 'convert' is used and parsing strings into chunks.... yechh!
>>
>> I have logged this into Bugzilla as bug #4526.
>>
>> This is a MAJOR BLOCKER problem and is going to hit a LOT of  
>> people, so
>> forwarned is forearmed...
>>
>> Ken Ray
>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
>> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From index at kenjikojima.com  Mon Mar 12 17:56:44 2007
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:56:44 -0400
Subject: Printing Japanese text
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312150239.0ae68c50@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312134837.0aa608f0@exchange.slg.com>
	<B6A2896B-657E-47E9-8361-0512F0F5DD67@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070312150239.0ae68c50@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <E89725E8-7536-49F1-BC12-3868ABD2340E@kenjikojima.com>

Evensen-san,

>> print this cd from the topLeft of fld 1 to the bottomRight of fld 1

I am using Revolution 2.8, MacOSX 10.4.8. It works here.
Did you try English?

--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/



On Mar 12, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:

> Hello Kojima-san
>
> I tried what you wrote and it doesn't work here.  I just get a  
> solid black bar where my text is.  This happens if I do a Print  
> This Card from the ID and click Preview, so it isn't a printer issue.
>
> I am using Revolution 2.8.0.  I haven't tried another version of  
> Revolution yet.
>
> Any other ideas?
>
> At 02:15 PM 3/12/2007, you wrote:
>> Peter,
>>
>> I think you cannot print Japanese text field.
>> But it works.
>> print this cd from the topLeft of fld 1 to the bottomRight of fld 1
>>
>> --
>> Kenji Kojima
>> http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>>
>>> Hopefully I am overlooking something simple.  I have a card with
>>> Japanese text.  When I print it, the text is replaced with a black
>>> bar.  This is on a Mac, printing to an HP LJ4050.
>>>
>>> I set the textFont of the field to "Osaka,Japanese".  I set the
>>> formatForPrinting to true.
>>>
>>> I've print Japanese on this printer, from this Mac in Word.
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Peter T. Evensen
>>> http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
>>> 314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 12 18:05:41 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:05:41 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Major Windows DST Bug
In-Reply-To: <55C6376C-F67C-41D6-B283-626439B50988@Cox.Net>
References: <C21B16A8.43E07%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<55C6376C-F67C-41D6-B283-626439B50988@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <20070312170541419710.d2abb4ff@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:50:27 -0700, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Would this problem have occurred if DLST had occurred at the usual 
> time? I should think so; meaning that XP hasn't been working 
> correctly for some time???

No, I believe it had to do with the latest Windows DST patch. We didn't 
have problems like this over the last several years in XP with the 
"normal" DST.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 12 18:08:15 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:08:15 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Major Windows DST Bug
In-Reply-To: <C21B16A8.43E07%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C21B16A8.43E07%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070312170815654839.a7468df7@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:39:36 -0700, Jim Ault wrote:

> On 3/12/07 2:06 PM, "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
> 
>> I have uncovered a Major (BLOCKER) Windows bug related to the most
>> recent change in Daylight Savings Time for the United States.
>> Revolution will overcompensate for the DST by adding and additional
>> hour to the time whenever you execute 'convert'.
> (full text below)
> 
> Yes, Ken, we have already discovered the Windows XP bug but weren't sure
> what was going on until your email.  My networking apps (9 of them) are
> clobbered.  That means our business is dead in the water until I can do a
> rewrite, but that is not a simple task for us.  Fortunately,  most of our
> computers are OSX and don't have to be fixed... at this time.
> 
> For us, timing is critical to-the-second, so I am going to build a
> time-stamp-message system so we don't have to rely on a Rev function, or one
> of the operating systems/platforms in any of the countries we operate.
> 
> Very expensive so far, since the core engine has to run on WinXP.  Looks
> like a compatibility switch needs to be added to apps to test DST+WinXP+
> greater than 2006+(?)+(?).  And what about virtual machines?  Does XP
> running in Parallels send the "2:05" rather than "3:05"?

I would assume it would have the same problem since it is virtualized 
to the processor, so the OS is really Windows (even though it's on a 
Mac). Sarah Reichelt posted a fix that can be used in the meantime - 
apparently the cue is that if the "hour" slot in a dateItems conversion 
is "3" instead of "2", you subtract 3600 from the seconds (an hour) and 
then run a normal convert to get the right time.

It's still a systemic problem to fixed IMHO, however, no matter what 
workarounds we might come up with.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Mar 12 18:17:20 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:17:20 -0700
Subject: Windows CPU or OS serial number?
Message-ID: <45F5D170.5070007@pdslabs.net>

I'm looking for a way to positively ID a Windows machine apart from the MAC address.

On Athlon and newer Pentium CPUs, is there a CPU serial number that can be 
retrieved by software?

If not, is there a Windows OS serial number?

If any of the above exist, is there a shell() command that would give it to me?

Many thanks -
Phil Davis


From programmer711 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 12 18:23:16 2007
From: programmer711 at gmail.com (Brad Sampson)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:23:16 -0700
Subject: Printing Japanese text
In-Reply-To: <E89725E8-7536-49F1-BC12-3868ABD2340E@kenjikojima.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312134837.0aa608f0@exchange.slg.com>
	<B6A2896B-657E-47E9-8361-0512F0F5DD67@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070312150239.0ae68c50@exchange.slg.com>
	<E89725E8-7536-49F1-BC12-3868ABD2340E@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <72bdb4b20703121523i14ba7d37ka160b19ff4485eb4@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,
if you're desperate, screenshot the field, and put a picture of the
field on top of the actual field, then print.
Brad Sampson
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Mar 12 18:43:30 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:43:30 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Major Windows DST Bug
In-Reply-To: <F6F7A090-7A18-426A-BCDC-0E3F4794C244@byu.edu>
References: <20070312160605644387.af07be39@sonsothunder.com>
	<F6F7A090-7A18-426A-BCDC-0E3F4794C244@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <p06240802c21b87b5866f@[192.168.1.101]>

Just before the time change Sunday CNN reporters were glibly 
predicting this one to be another Y2K.

>On Mar 12, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
>>I have uncovered a Major (BLOCKER) Windows bug related to the most
>>recent change in Daylight Savings Time for the United States.

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Mon Mar 12 18:50:19 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:50:19 -0700
Subject: [ANN] Major Windows DST Bug
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c21b87b5866f@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <20070312160605644387.af07be39@sonsothunder.com>
	<F6F7A090-7A18-426A-BCDC-0E3F4794C244@byu.edu>
	<p06240802c21b87b5866f@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <6CF435D1-CBB9-4657-A151-6BBA29BD550E@Cox.Net>

I think everyone who is affected by this and has to put in a fix,  
should bill M$ - big time; whether they cough up or not is  
immaterial. Just the hundreds of thousands of letters should be  
enough to stroke their fires! There mailing address for something  
like this needs to be put up on the internet.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 12, 2007, at 3:43 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Just before the time change Sunday CNN reporters were glibly  
> predicting this one to be another Y2K.
>
>> On Mar 12, 2007, at 3:06 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>>
>>> I have uncovered a Major (BLOCKER) Windows bug related to the most
>>> recent change in Daylight Savings Time for the United States.
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>
>
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From thien at unimelb.edu.au  Mon Mar 12 19:05:51 2007
From: thien at unimelb.edu.au (Nicholas Thieberger)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:05:51 +1100
Subject: unicode and regex
In-Reply-To: <20070122180006.A5FE54891B8@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070122180006.A5FE54891B8@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a06240504c21b8c5fb5b9@[128.250.86.175]>

I have a RR stack (Audiamus) that I distribute for free, allowing 
users to interact with a body of media via its transcript, importing 
the time-aligned transcripts. I would like to add two functions to 
the stack but can't figure out how to do it. They are (1) fixing the 
fields to all be Unicode compliant  and (2) building a regular 
expression search tool within the application to search the 
collection of texts. Suggestions for how to do both of these things, 
or offers of how much it would cost one of you wizzkids to do it 
would be gratefully received.

Nick

-- 

Project Manager
PARADISEC
Pacific And Regional Archive for Digital Sources in Endangered Cultures
http://paradisec.org.au


nicholas.thieberger at paradisec.org.au
Department of Linguistics and Applied Linguistics
University of Melbourne
Vic 3010
Australia

Ph 61 (0)3 8344 5185


From linux at flippingdades.com  Mon Mar 12 21:23:25 2007
From: linux at flippingdades.com (Don Jungk)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:23:25 -0600
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <45F58656.4010302@howsoft.com>
References: <45F58656.4010302@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <200703121923.25331.linux@flippingdades.com>

On Monday 12 March 2007 10:56 am, Bob Warren wrote:

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>-- 1. In Rev Linux 2.6.1, can foreign symbols (with accents) be printed on
> the printer or not?
>
Hi Bob,
I may not be of much help, I have two ideas.
I downloaded the 30 day trial of Rev for Linux, but have not had time yet to 
work with it. If you want to send me the stack, I will try to run it and 
print to my HP Laser printer.

Second idea - If Rev sends a Postscript file to the printer (and not a bitmap 
of the page) can you write the PS to disk and look at the file in a text 
editor. You may be able to see if the problem is in the string of text in the 
file or in the font encoding part of the PS file.

I actually downloaded Rev because of Linux printing problems with REALBasic, 
which I have used for 5 years. And I live in a Spanish speaking country, so 
printing with accents is of interest to me also.

Don Jungk


From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Mon Mar 12 22:01:23 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:01:23 -0400
Subject: [ANN] Major Windows DST Bug
Message-ID: <OFFFFC70AC.AE9AA49A-ON8525729D.000A5DC8@sealedair.com>

On 3/12/2007 at --WHO KNOWS WHEN?--, Ken Ray wrote:
> Sarah Reichelt posted a fix that can be used in the [meantime]...

I know this is a serious bug, but your wording in the sentence above just 
made me chuckle. <silliness off>

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Mar 12 23:17:25 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:17:25 -0800
Subject: XCMD -> Revolution External shim kit?
In-Reply-To: <45F5225A.1020403@cogapp.com>
References: <45F5225A.1020403@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <114198762996.20070312191725@ahsoftware.net>

Ben-

Monday, March 12, 2007, 1:50:18 AM, you wrote:

> I don't imagine that I'm the first person to have the need to convert an old
> external... so has anyone else produced such a shim kit?   If not, is there
> anyone else who has code that would benefit from it?

If you feel the need then I'd say go ahead and code it. But it seems
to me that there's very little to be gained. You'd have to go through
the original code with a fine-toothed comb in any event to locate and
pull out and/or recode the OS9 system calls.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Mon Mar 12 23:21:36 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:21:36 -0800
Subject: Vista, Speech Wreckognition, and perl
Message-ID: <1199014407.20070312192136@ahsoftware.net>

!!!-

Warning - I laughed for ten minutes solid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Mar 12 23:02:31 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:02:31 -0600
Subject: Vista, Speech Wreckognition, and perl
In-Reply-To: <1199014407.20070312192136@ahsoftware.net>
References: <1199014407.20070312192136@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703122002r78705253gf380c1dbe4c3b96c@mail.gmail.com>

Great,now we can program Rev using our voice!

I'm sure he's doing all this on purpose, if not he's got a lower IQ
than the computer!


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 03:49:28 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:49:28 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Naive as usual . . .
Message-ID: <524158.20028.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I signed up for the RR Beta program - and spent quite
some time messing about trying to find problems with
the 2 betas I have been sent. I didn't find any, but
not for lack of trying.

Just revisited the Beta bit of the RR website where I
read the following:

"The most exciting news of all: Revolution 2.7.5 will
be a free update. If you had an active Revolution
maintenance plan as of February 1, 2006, or if you
purchased any version of Revolution 2.7, you will
receive Revolution 2.7.5 at no charge."

Jolly exciting (especially as I own RRMedia 2.7.1) -
but I haven't been sent "Revolution 2.7.5 at no
charge" . . . I wonder why?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Mar 13 04:20:42 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:20:42 +0000
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <45F59192.9030901@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45F58656.4010302@howsoft.com> <45F59192.9030901@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <200703130820.43017.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

A lot of the problem is communication.  

Linux is still on 2.6.1, unable to open current format stacks, no altsqlite, 
no altbrowser or altfont.  No Valentina of course.  No Media. Meanwhile the 
other platforms have moved on a couple of releases.  The last post on the 
forums was November, saying the beta for Linux (that was 2.7.x) was coming 
soon.  Since then silence.

There may be very reasonable explanations, but the worry which the total lack 
of communication raises is that this could turn into an orphaned platform.

So please, guys, tell us what is going on!  If it is only to say, this is all 
far more difficult than we had thought, and we really don't know what to do 
next, and we can't give any dates right now.  I hope it isn't as bad as that, 
but if it is, it it would be preferable to know.

Peter


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Mar 13 04:47:02 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 08:47:02 +0000
Subject: Naive as usual . . .
In-Reply-To: <524158.20028.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <524158.20028.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <73860E41-B545-407D-8ADB-0EB84B1AA5C1@azurevision.co.uk>

You missed the bit where the versions were renamed - what was 2.7.5  
is now one of those betas you just tested...

Ian

On 13 Mar 2007, at 07:49, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Jolly exciting (especially as I own RRMedia 2.7.1) -
> but I haven't been sent "Revolution 2.7.5 at no
> charge" . . . I wonder why?



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue Mar 13 04:49:45 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 10:49:45 +0200 (FLE Standard Time)
Subject: Tables trouble
References: <E74A6032-C78E-4F83-86B5-57829E435BFB@de-mare.nl>
Message-ID: <45F665A8.000007.04004@MAZYTIS>

Hi! 
 
I have seen Tables object fixed in the previous beta release of the
Revolution... Still, if you need just an elementary table to display or edit
tab delimited data with earlier versions of Rev, then this is your way to
start with: 
1) use ordinary text field 
or 
select your table, click property inspector, go to table section, disable
(uncheck) table object, 
2) leave or check Horizontal grid and Vertical grid 
3) adjust cells width with Tab stops (e.g. smthng like 200,300, 500 etc...) 
4) put these scripts into the text field to force it to behave more like
table:
#This will prevent deletion of cell or table row with delete key
on deleteKey 
if the selectedText is not empty then 
pass deleteKey 
else 
answer "Select text to delete" 
exit deleteKey 
end if 
end deleteKey 
 
#This will prevent deletion of cell or table row with backspace key
on backspaceKey 
if the selectedText is not empty then 
pass backspaceKey 
else 
answer "Select text to delete" 
exit backspaceKey 
end if 
end backspaceKey 
 
#This won't alow to spoil table layout with return key
on returnInField 
 
end returnInField 
 
#This won't alow to spoil table layout with enter key
on enterInField 
 
end enterInField
 
All the best!
Viktoras
 


From sunshine at public.kherson.ua  Tue Mar 13 06:54:52 2007
From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:54:52 +0200
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <200703130820.43017.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C21C4F9C.6DA47%sunshine@public.kherson.ua>

On 13/3/07 10:20 AM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> A lot of the problem is communication.
> 
> Linux is still on 2.6.1, unable to open current format stacks, no altsqlite,
> no altbrowser or altfont.  No Valentina of course.

Good news.

We put on site 
    Valentina for Revolution 3.0 beta 1 (Linux)


> No Media. Meanwhile the
> other platforms have moved on a couple of releases.  The last post on the
> forums was November, saying the beta for Linux (that was 2.7.x) was coming
> soon.  Since then silence.
> 
> There may be very reasonable explanations, but the worry which the total lack
> of communication raises is that this could turn into an orphaned platform.
> 
> So please, guys, tell us what is going on!  If it is only to say, this is all
> far more difficult than we had thought, and we really don't know what to do
> next, and we can't give any dates right now.  I hope it isn't as bad as that,
> but if it is, it it would be preferable to know.
> 
> Peter


-- 
Best regards,

Ruslan Zasukhin
VP Engineering and New Technology
Paradigma Software, Inc

Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

[I feel the need: the need for speed]




From mlange at widged.com  Tue Mar 13 07:10:30 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 11:10:30 +0000
Subject: Naive as usual . . .
In-Reply-To: <524158.20028.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <524158.20028.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3572E420-24D8-4AA4-8D04-2D0A22EFD325@widged.com>

Hi Richmond,

This means that they consider you didn't have an active "Revolution  
maintenance plan". I agree, the wording is most ambiguous. They wrote  
"any version of Revolution" and the page at: "http://www.runrev.com/"  
has Revolution Media on one side and Revolution Studio on the other.  
However, when it comes to legal issues,  you always have to check up  
every single word. It says "free update". I assume they don't  
consider a revolution studio version to be an update for a revolution  
media license.

Marielle

> "The most exciting news of all: Revolution 2.7.5 will
> be a free update. If you had an active Revolution
> maintenance plan as of February 1, 2006, or if you
> purchased any version of Revolution 2.7, you will
> receive Revolution 2.7.5 at no charge."




From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 08:13:46 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:13:46 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Naive as usual . . .
Message-ID: <20070313121346.98402.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"UMM" says Richmond, biting his lip a bit . . .

Ian Wood wrote:

"You missed the bit where the versions were renamed -
what was 2.7.5  
is now one of those betas you just tested..."

so, presumably, I can carry on using that Beta (
2.8.0-dp-2 ) to produce all sorts of things without
incurring the legal wrath of the folks at Runtime
Revolution?

Marielle Lange wrote:

"I agree, the wording is most ambiguous."

Yes it is! Autres meurs, autres fois!

Dvizhdane ot Bulgaria, Richmond.


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From mlange at widged.com  Tue Mar 13 08:34:34 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:34:34 +0000
Subject: Naive as usual . . .
In-Reply-To: <20070313121346.98402.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070313121346.98402.qmail@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3E9285EF-A774-428E-942E-3B8E9CB50156@widged.com>

Hi Richmond,

> Yes it is! Autres meurs, autres fois!

I am more familiar with the quote "autre m?urs, autre ?poque"

As you set to cultivate this list, let me follow your lead and let  
non french speakers get a chance to seize the meaning of this. ;-D

Moeurs is sometimes translated by morals. However, it has a more  
general meaning of customs, trends, ways of life that characterize a  
set period in history, good and bad ;-).  "c'est entr? dans les  
moeurs" for instance, means "it has become the way of doing of the  
majority".

Epoque just means set period of time in history. "Belle ?poque" for  
instance "was a period in French history that began during the late  
19th Century and lasted until World War" <http://en.wikipedia.org/ 
wiki/Belle_?poque>


For the license, best would be to clarify this with support.

Marielle


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Mar 13 10:26:44 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:26:44 -0700
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <200703130820.43017.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45F58656.4010302@howsoft.com> <45F59192.9030901@hyperactivesw.com>
	<200703130820.43017.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <010501c7657b$a07e6810$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

> Linux is still on 2.6.1, unable to open current format 
> stacks, no altsqlite, no altbrowser or altfont.  No Valentina 
> of course.  No Media. Meanwhile the other platforms have 
> moved on a couple of releases.  The last post on the forums 
> was November, saying the beta for Linux (that was 2.7.x) was 
> coming soon.  Since then silence.

Keep your eyes on the list regarding Valentina :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
President
Paradigma Software
http://www.paradigmasoft.com

Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server 




From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Mar 13 10:42:30 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 07:42:30 -0700
Subject: Paradigma Software Announces Beta 1 of Valentina for Linux
Message-ID: <011601c7657d$d421c9d0$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

Paradigma Software Announces Beta 1 of Valentina Server for Linux

FIRST VALENTINA DEVELOPER SOLUTION FREE BETA AVAILABLE

March 13, 2007. Beaverton, Oregon-based Paradigma Software, Inc, the
developers of the ultra-fast database Valentina, announces the availability
of Valentina  Server Linux Edition beta 1 for immediate download.

Valentina is a pioneering database system that, built on a unique
object-relational model, outperforms almost all commercially available
database servers - disk based or RAM based. Recent customer provided data
compares equivalent search operations with mySQL server at five minutes to
complete, down to five seconds with Valentina Server. Hours become minutes,
minutes become seconds with Valentina.

Valentina database products, available on Windows and MacOS X, are based on
the unique Valentina database engine - an object-relational database engine
known for extreme speed. When porting to Valentina, hours become minutes,
minutes become seconds when it comes to storing, retrieving and querying
databases. Valentina supports all modern standards - native Unicode, XML
import/export and ODBC connectivity.

Technology beta 1 of Valentina for Linux includes: Valentina C++ application
developer kit, Valentina Embedded Server on Linux, Valentina for Revolution
(Linux) and Valentina for REALbasic (Linux). Valentina Developer Network
Platform Edition includes a set of tools for all supported operating systems
of one development environment - and allows deployment of Valentina Embedded
Database Server by developers, royalty free, VDN Platform Edition sells for
$599.

Valentina C++ Application Developer Kit for Linux includes a local runtime
and supporting header files for building C++ based applications for
deployment on x86-based Linux distributions with gcc 4.0.2 and libstdc++
4.0.2. Both SuSE Desktop and Red Hat distributions will be officially
supported. Other distributions may be supported on release, as time allows.

Valentina Office Server for Linux is also under development. Valentina
Office Server is business ready and supports all modern standards, including
XML import/export with easy conversion from mySQL, native Unicode, secure
SSL connections, ODBC connectivity and more. It also supports advanced
features such as encrypted, compressed, packet based communications, built
in picture compression, and easy management through the included visual
browsing and administration tool, Valentina Studio. Valentina Office Server
has built in support for PHP 4/5 scripting and the Ruby on Rails framework.
Valentina Office Server SMB costs only $299.

Valentina ADKs and VDN on Windows and MacOS X are available for most
development tools on those platforms, including Runtime Revolution, Adobe
Director, Cocoa/Objective-C, C++ (xCode, MS Visual Studio), REALbasic, .net
framework, COM, PHP, Ruby and ODBC. 

About Paradigma Software, Inc

Founded in 1998, Beaverton, Oregon-based Paradigma Software, Inc is the
leading provider of incredibly fast and robust database solutions for
business and development. Valentina 2 technology powers solutions as diverse
as graphics applications from major Japanese electronics companies to
solutions supporting US public schools. Paradigma Software solutions are
available for every major development environment on the Windows and
Macintosh platforms.

Contact

Paradigma Software
Ph. (503) 574-2776
http://www.paradigmasoft.com



From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Tue Mar 13 10:41:12 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:41:12 +0000
Subject: Vista, Speech Wreckognition, and perl
Message-ID: <10856D66-121B-4E07-B7A0-9308D55E89FC@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

The in-built speech recognition of Vista is also something of a  
johnny-come-lately.

IBM's OS/2 had voice type and speech navigation built-in.... back in  
1996.  Yep, more than a decade before Vista.  I tried out the speech  
recognition on OS/2 at the time, running on a P5 133mhz machine with  
32mb of RAM.   The performance might have been slightly slower than  
in that video, but it was also much more accurate than was  
demonstrated in the Perl programming example (and I'm talking about  
accuracy out of the box - I never did any coaching for the speech  
recognition engine in OS/2).

Ten years later, and so little progress.  OS/2 had an object-oriented  
desktop back in version 2.0 (1992).   Microsoft still haven't  
produced the object-oriented OS (Cairo) that they talked up back then  
-- it was obviously just FUD, another way to kill any competition  
(just like the punishment they meted out to any OEM that would pre- 
load OS/2 instead of Windows).


Bernard

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc




From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue Mar 13 13:14:27 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:14:27 -0500
Subject: Printing Japanese text
In-Reply-To: <E89725E8-7536-49F1-BC12-3868ABD2340E@kenjikojima.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312134837.0aa608f0@exchange.slg.com>
	<B6A2896B-657E-47E9-8361-0512F0F5DD67@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070312150239.0ae68c50@exchange.slg.com>
	<E89725E8-7536-49F1-BC12-3868ABD2340E@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070313121206.10ec1170@exchange.slg.com>

If I have non-Japanese text in the field, that text prints fine.

If I bring the stack over to Windows and print, it prints out (although 
some of my fields wouldn't show the Japanese text on Windows, and I 
couldn't figure out why.  I finally duplicated the field that did work and 
the text showed up and printed OK on Windows).

I'm on 10.4.8 as well.  If you would like, I could send you my stack to see 
if it works on your machine (just print the first card).

At 04:56 PM 3/12/2007, you wrote:
>Evensen-san,
>
>>>print this cd from the topLeft of fld 1 to the bottomRight of fld 1
>
>I am using Revolution 2.8, MacOSX 10.4.8. It works here.
>Did you try English?
>
>--
>Kenji Kojima
>http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>
>
>
>On Mar 12, 2007, at 4:05 PM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>
>>Hello Kojima-san
>>
>>I tried what you wrote and it doesn't work here.  I just get a
>>solid black bar where my text is.  This happens if I do a Print
>>This Card from the ID and click Preview, so it isn't a printer issue.
>>
>>I am using Revolution 2.8.0.  I haven't tried another version of
>>Revolution yet.
>>
>>Any other ideas?
>>
>>At 02:15 PM 3/12/2007, you wrote:
>>>Peter,
>>>
>>>I think you cannot print Japanese text field.
>>>But it works.
>>>print this cd from the topLeft of fld 1 to the bottomRight of fld 1
>>>
>>>--
>>>Kenji Kojima
>>>http://www.kenjikojima.com/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Mar 12, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Peter T. Evensen wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hopefully I am overlooking something simple.  I have a card with
>>>>Japanese text.  When I print it, the text is replaced with a black
>>>>bar.  This is on a Mac, printing to an HP LJ4050.
>>>>
>>>>I set the textFont of the field to "Osaka,Japanese".  I set the
>>>>formatForPrinting to true.
>>>>
>>>>I've print Japanese on this printer, from this Mac in Word.
>>>>
>>>>Any ideas?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>Peter T. Evensen
>>>>http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
>>>>314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>use-revolution mailing list
>>>>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>>>>subscription preferences:
>>>>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
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>>>subscription preferences:
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>>
>>Peter T. Evensen
>>http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
>>314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588
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>>subscription preferences:
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>
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Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588 



From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue Mar 13 13:16:19 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:16:19 -0500
Subject: Printing Japanese text
In-Reply-To: <72bdb4b20703121523i14ba7d37ka160b19ff4485eb4@mail.gmail.co
 m>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312134837.0aa608f0@exchange.slg.com>
	<B6A2896B-657E-47E9-8361-0512F0F5DD67@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070312150239.0ae68c50@exchange.slg.com>
	<E89725E8-7536-49F1-BC12-3868ABD2340E@kenjikojima.com>
	<72bdb4b20703121523i14ba7d37ka160b19ff4485eb4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070313121437.10edbe20@exchange.slg.com>

I'm not that desperate.  What I am doing is making a board game and trying 
print out cards on card-stock.  It seems much easier for me to put the 
contents in a text file and then write a Revolution program to read the 
content, build the cards in a stack, and then print out the cards.  This 
looks like it will work a lot better than trying to do the cards in Word or 
something.

At 05:23 PM 3/12/2007, you wrote:
>Hey,
>if you're desperate, screenshot the field, and put a picture of the
>field on top of the actual field, then print.
>Brad Sampson
>Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center
>_______________________________________________
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>subscription preferences:
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Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588 



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 13 13:26:23 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:26:23 -0500
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <200703130820.43017.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <45F58656.4010302@howsoft.com> <45F59192.9030901@hyperactivesw.com>
	<200703130820.43017.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <45F6DEBF.8030501@hyperactivesw.com>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> A lot of the problem is communication.  
> 
> Linux is still on 2.6.1, unable to open current format stacks, no altsqlite, 
> no altbrowser or altfont.  No Valentina of course.  No Media. Meanwhile the 
> other platforms have moved on a couple of releases.  The last post on the 
> forums was November, saying the beta for Linux (that was 2.7.x) was coming 
> soon.  Since then silence.
> 
> There may be very reasonable explanations, but the worry which the total lack 
> of communication raises is that this could turn into an orphaned platform.

No, not orphaned. In fact, a major priority right now. Are you on the 
beta test list? A full explanation went out to those folks.

> 
> So please, guys, tell us what is going on!  If it is only to say, this is all 
> far more difficult than we had thought, and we really don't know what to do 
> next, and we can't give any dates right now.  I hope it isn't as bad as that, 
> but if it is, it it would be preferable to know.

A brief summary: The 'nix engine is in full development swing. As you 
suspect, the rewrite is taking longer than expected. Once the very old 
code was examined in detail it was found that it required far more 
extensive rewriting than was originally thought and release dates had to 
be extended. The rewrite is underway. Support for the unix engine is not 
going away; exactly the opposite -- it is being improved, expanded, and 
modernized.

If you haven't joined the beta test group I urge you to do so. That 
group gets updates on progress as it occurs. The target release for unix 
has been renumbered to 2.7.9 to allow for the interim Vista tweaks, but 
otherwise nothing has changed. You will see a vastly modernized and 
improved product when it is done.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk  Tue Mar 13 13:34:12 2007
From: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk (Simon HARPER)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:34:12 +0000
Subject: While this may be heresy
Message-ID: <944E35F5-4884-49C3-9D43-FF689230C97D@manchester.ac.uk>

Hi there,

While I understand this may be heresy, how does Revolution stack up  
to RealBasic, especially when it comes to thinks like richness of the  
interface (such as hierarchical Listboxs)?


Cheers
Si.

====
Simon Harper
2.44 Kilburn Building
University of Manchester (UK)

Pri: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk
Alt: sharper at cs.man.ac.uk




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Mar 13 13:37:15 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 18:37:15 +0100
Subject: Printing Japanese text
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20070313121206.10ec1170@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312134837.0aa608f0@exchange.slg.com>
	<B6A2896B-657E-47E9-8361-0512F0F5DD67@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070312150239.0ae68c50@exchange.slg.com>
	<E89725E8-7536-49F1-BC12-3868ABD2340E@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070313121206.10ec1170@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <ED957143-5841-45E4-9D40-9BBB4D850FCE@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Peter,

I am currently trying to print a field with unicodetext, too. Just  
like you, I am using 10.4.8. If I print a field to PDF, it becomes  
binary text. I wonder if this is a bug or me. Feel free to send me  
the stack. Maybe we can help each other or at least find out what is  
going wrong.

Best,

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
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Op 13-mrt-2007, om 18:14 heeft Peter T. Evensen het volgende geschreven:

> If I have non-Japanese text in the field, that text prints fine.
>
> If I bring the stack over to Windows and print, it prints out  
> (although some of my fields wouldn't show the Japanese text on  
> Windows, and I couldn't figure out why.  I finally duplicated the  
> field that did work and the text showed up and printed OK on Windows).
>
> I'm on 10.4.8 as well.  If you would like, I could send you my  
> stack to see if it works on your machine (just print the first card).



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 15:03:50 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:03:50 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: While this may be heresy
Message-ID: <20070313190351.32196.qmail@web37502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Unfortunately I cannot answer Simon Harper's question,
but I can make a point about "heresy":

When adherence to a programming language, IDE or OS
becomes as bigoted and as self-destructive as various
religious and political  groupings have done from
time-to-time, it is time to move elsewhere.

So the word 'heresy' should not be necessary - and, I
at least, would like to think of the RR Use-List
members as constituing a "Very Broad Church"
indeed, with nobody giving out anathemas and so forth.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

____________________________________________________________

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Mar 13 15:41:52 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:41:52 +0100
Subject: Printing Japanese text
In-Reply-To: <ED957143-5841-45E4-9D40-9BBB4D850FCE@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312134837.0aa608f0@exchange.slg.com>
	<B6A2896B-657E-47E9-8361-0512F0F5DD67@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070312150239.0ae68c50@exchange.slg.com>
	<E89725E8-7536-49F1-BC12-3868ABD2340E@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070313121206.10ec1170@exchange.slg.com>
	<ED957143-5841-45E4-9D40-9BBB4D850FCE@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <294668A4-7420-4E8B-A50F-FE67DAC3EB6F@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Peter and others,

I have just tried to print Peter's stack, by executing

open printing with dialog; print this cd; close printing

from the message box. This appeared to work fine in Rev 2.8-gm-3.

Best regards,

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 13-mrt-2007, om 18:37 heeft Mark Schonewille het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Peter,
>
> I am currently trying to print a field with unicodetext, too. Just  
> like you, I am using 10.4.8. If I print a field to PDF, it becomes  
> binary text. I wonder if this is a bug or me. Feel free to send me  
> the stack. Maybe we can help each other or at least find out what  
> is going wrong.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>


From developer at positivepractices.com  Tue Mar 13 15:53:00 2007
From: developer at positivepractices.com (Joseph Martinez)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:53:00 -0700
Subject: Detecting Browser Page on Windows/Linux
Message-ID: <C21C4F2C.3093%developer@positivepractices.com>

Greetings,

I know to use AppleScript on a Mac to detect what URL page the currently
open browser is displaying.  Is there is a way for Windows and Linux to
perform this same function? Thanks,

Joseph



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Tue Mar 13 15:57:59 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:57:59 -0700
Subject: Re-2: iGame3D Rev External
In-Reply-To: <DIIE.0000023A000051E6@animabit.de>
References: <DIIE.0000023A000051E6@animabit.de>
Message-ID: <E5BAFC63-6B24-4083-9FC7-2274C5D7A3CD@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 12, 2007, at 10:11 AM, runrev at animabit.de wrote:

> Hi, Mark
>
> I got igame3d to work on win
> but where can I find the Ants game?
>
>>
>> I had a great time playing the Ants game.  Nice demo for the  
>> technology.
>>
>> -Mark

The game is called Antack.
<http://www.igame3d.com/wordpress/?page_id=4>

Have fun!


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Tue Mar 13 16:35:01 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 15:35:01 -0500
Subject: Printing Japanese text
In-Reply-To: <294668A4-7420-4E8B-A50F-FE67DAC3EB6F@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312134837.0aa608f0@exchange.slg.com>
	<B6A2896B-657E-47E9-8361-0512F0F5DD67@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070312150239.0ae68c50@exchange.slg.com>
	<E89725E8-7536-49F1-BC12-3868ABD2340E@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070313121206.10ec1170@exchange.slg.com>
	<ED957143-5841-45E4-9D40-9BBB4D850FCE@economy-x-talk.com>
	<294668A4-7420-4E8B-A50F-FE67DAC3EB6F@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070313152527.11220ad0@exchange.slg.com>

Evidently it is just my Mac.  I wonder what is up with my machine; I even 
rebooted and everything.  I will have to try it on some other Macs here to 
see if I get the same thing.

Thanks, everyone, for all your help.   (If anyone has any suggestions on 
what I should look at on my Mac...)

At 02:41 PM 3/13/2007, Mark Schonewille wrote:
>Hi Peter and others,
>
>I have just tried to print Peter's stack, by executing
>
>open printing with dialog; print this cd; close printing
>
>from the message box. This appeared to work fine in Rev 2.8-gm-3.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Mark
>
>--
>
>Economy-x-Talk
>Consultancy and Software Engineering
>http://economy-x-talk.com
>http://www.salery.biz
>
>Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.
>Download at http://www.salery.biz
>
>Op 13-mrt-2007, om 18:37 heeft Mark Schonewille het volgende geschreven:
>
>>Hi Peter,
>>
>>I am currently trying to print a field with unicodetext, too. Just
>>like you, I am using 10.4.8. If I print a field to PDF, it becomes
>>binary text. I wonder if this is a bug or me. Feel free to send me
>>the stack. Maybe we can help each other or at least find out what
>>is going wrong.
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Mark
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
>subscription preferences:
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Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588 



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Mar 13 20:22:54 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:22:54 +0100
Subject: Printing Japanese text
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20070313152527.11220ad0@exchange.slg.com>
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Hi Peter,

It is not your machine! I was trying to work around a unicode bug in  
Revolution which causes Rev to crash. I can now avoid the crash, but  
get black bars instead.

Mark

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Op 13-mrt-2007, om 21:35 heeft Peter T. Evensen het volgende geschreven:

> Evidently it is just my Mac.  I wonder what is up with my machine;  
> I even rebooted and everything.  I will have to try it on some  
> other Macs here to see if I get the same thing.
>
> Thanks, everyone, for all your help.   (If anyone has any  
> suggestions on what I should look at on my Mac...)
>


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Tue Mar 13 20:27:09 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:27:09 -0300
Subject: Linux questions for Jacque
Message-ID: <45F7415D.7000607@howsoft.com>

Jacque:

First of all, please excuse my delay in replying. We've had no Internet 
(or cable TV) for the last day or so. How terrible!

Second, thanks for your very nice post. You are an example of the kind 
of communicative and helpful spirit that Rev needs more of.

-----------------------------------------------------
 >
I don't always read questions about things

I'm not familiar with, I just assume someone else will answer. I do 
usually catch my own name though, so if you specifically ask me on the 
list I'll try to find out. I can't guarantee an immediate response, 
since it will depend on the availability of the people I need to ask, 
what time of day I see your question, and whether anyone on the team is 
around. But I'll forward to them when I see it.

--------------------------------------
Could we kick off with the 2 questions I couldn't find answers to? Here they are:

1. In Rev Linux 2.6.1, can foreign symbols (with accents) be printed on 
the printer or not?

2. Why doesn't the following work?

put "smbclient\ \\\\john\\c\ mount" into procToDo
open process procToDo for update
write "dir" to process procToDo   [or "dir" & return]
read from process procToDo until eof
put it into field "test"
quit
close process  procToDo

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
One note of hope is that the whole unix engine is being rewritten and it 
is likely that much of what's broken now will be fixed soon. Or at 
least, that's the idea.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well put. I'll refrain from elaborating..... In all fairness though, it can't be an easy job. Let's hope that Rev's revised production procedures shine through on the next much-awaited release.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
I am sympathetic to your position, if that helps.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
It does, believe me.
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>
And I do intend to install some version of 'nix and get going with it when I get a chance. 
That can only help my own business, as well as the level of support I 
can provide to RR customers. I found Peter's recent list of distros very 
helpful in making a decision.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Great stuff! Why not kick off with a few live CDs before installing something? It's a fine method of evaluation.

Best regards,
Bob




From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Tue Mar 13 20:37:14 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:37:14 -0300
Subject: Printing Japanese text
Message-ID: <45F743BA.7050502@howsoft.com>

Brad Sampson wrote:

 >Hey,

if you're desperate, screenshot the field, and put a picture of the
field on top of the actual field, then print.

------------------------------------------------------------
With regard to a similar problem I have in printing Portuguese text in 
Rev/Linux, I'll pretend I didn't see that suggestion!

Bob




From JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com  Tue Mar 13 22:08:40 2007
From: JimCarwardine at OwnYourFuture-net.com (Jim Carwardine)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:08:40 -0400
Subject: [OT]  SheepShaver
In-Reply-To: <1199014407.20070312192136@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <C21CD168.B7E8%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>

Hi Ken Ray... Quick question regarding SheepShaver.  I've installed a
version of OS 9 into SheepShaver.  Now, I have a need to install OS 8.5 to
run an obscure app that won't run in OS 9.  Can I install a second copy of
SheepShaver containing the older OS and keep my original installation which
contains files?  Do I use the same procedure as the first time?  Thanks...
Jim

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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Tue Mar 13 21:14:58 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:14:58 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45F74C92.8020505@howsoft.com>

Don Jungk wrote:

>Hi Bob,
I may not be of much help, I have two ideas.
I downloaded the 30 day trial of Rev for Linux, but have not had time yet to 
work with it. If you want to send me the stack, I will try to run it and 
print to my HP Laser printer.

Second idea - If Rev sends a Postscript file to the printer (and not a bitmap 
of the page) can you write the PS to disk and look at the file in a text 
editor. You may be able to see if the problem is in the string of text in the 
file or in the font encoding part of the PS file.

I actually downloaded Rev because of Linux printing problems with REALBasic, 
which I have used for 5 years. And I live in a Spanish speaking country, so 
printing with accents is of interest to me also.

--------------------------------------------
Hi Don,
Welcome to Rev!
Thanks for the offer, but I've already tried what you suggested. I don't know bananas about Postscript files, but examination in the text editor seems to tell me that my example file is valid in format (??), but contains nothing it should regarding the Portuguese character set. And from what I read in the Help, I got the impression (though it's difficult to believe) that Rev/Linux 2.6.1. means English only! Here is an extract from my Postscript file:

--------------------------
%!PS-Adobe-3.0
%%Creator: MetaCard 2.6.6
%%DocumentData: Clean8Bit
%%MCOrientation Portrait
%%BoundingBox: 72 72 540 720
%%EndComments
%%BeginProlog
        /isolatin1encoding [ /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /space /exclam
        /quotedbl /numbersign /dollar /percent /ampersand /quoteright
        /parenleft /parenright /asterisk /plus /comma /minus /period /slash
        /zero /one /two /three /four /five /six /seven /eight /nine /colon
        /semicolon /less /equal /greater /question /at /A /B /C /D /E /F /G /H
        /I /J /K /L /M /N /O /P /Q /R /S /T /U /V /W /X /Y /Z /bracketleft
        /backslash /bracketright /asciicircum /underscore /quoteleft /a /b /c
        /d /e /f /g /h /i /j /k /l /m /n /o /p /q /r /s /t /u /v /w /x /y /z
        /braceleft /bar /braceright /asciitilde /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /space /exclamdown /cent /sterling /currency /yen
        /brokenbar /section /dieresis /copyright /ordfeminine /guillemotleft
        /logicalnot /hyphen /registered /macron /degree /plusminus
        /twosuperior /threesuperior /acute /mu /paragraph /periodcentered
        /cedilla /onesuperior /ordmasculine /guillemotright /onequarter
        /onehalf /threequarters /questiondown /Agrave /Aacute /Acircumflex
        /Atilde /Adieresis /Aring /AE /Ccedilla /Egrave /Eacute /Ecircumflex
        /Edieresis /Igrave /Iacute /Icircumflex /Idieresis /Eth /Ntilde
        /Ograve /Oacute /Ocircumflex /Otilde /Odieresis /multiply /Oslash
        /Ugrave /Uacute /Ucircumflex /Udieresis /Yacute /Thorn /germandbls
        /agrave /aacute /acircumflex /atilde /adieresis /aring /ae /ccedilla
/egrave /eacute /ecircumflex /edieresis /igrave /iacute /icircumflex
        /idieresis /eth /ntilde /ograve /oacute /ocircumflex /otilde
        /odieresis /divide /oslash /ugrave /uacute /ucircumflex /udieresis
        /yacute /thorn /ydieresis ] def
        
        /symbolencoding [ /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /space /exclam
        /universal /numbersign /existential /percent /ampersand /suchthat
        /parenleft /parenright /asteriskmath /plus /comma /minus /period
        /slash /zero /one /two /three /four /five /six /seven /eight /nine
        /colon /semicolon /less /equal /greater /question /congruent /Alpha
        /Beta /Chi /Delta /Epsilon /Phi /Gamma /Eta /Iota /theta1 /Kappa
        /Lambda /Mu /Nu /Omicron /Pi /Theta /Rho /Sigma /Tau /Upsilon /sigma1
        /Omega /Xi /Psi /Zeta /bracketleft /therefore /bracketright
        /perpendicular /underscore /radicalex /alpha /beta /chi /delta
        /epsilon /phi /gamma /eta /iota /phi1 /kappa /lambda /mu /nu /omicron
        /pi /theta /rho /sigma /tau /upsilon /omega1 /omega /xi /psi /zeta
        /braceleft /bar /braceright /similar /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
        /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /Upsilon1 /minute /lessequal /fraction
        /infinity /florin /club /diamond /heart /spade /arrowboth /arrowleft
        /arrowup /arrowright /arrowdown /degree /plusminus /second
        /greaterequal /multiply /proportional /partialdiff /bullet /divide
        /notequal /equivalence /approxequal /ellipsis /arrowvertex
        /arrowhorizex /carriagereturn /aleph /Ifraktur /Rfraktur /weierstrass

etc.
etc.
etc.

14 /_Helvetica-Bold setFont
0 0 0 setrgbcolor
6 55 (Limpeza) 49 55 AT
grestore
gsave
91 20 9 53 CLP
grestore
gsave
91 20 9 53 CLP
grestore
grestore
grestore
showpage
%%EOF
--------------------------
As I said, I don't know bananas about this, but there seems to be a lot of "notdef" to me.
In Ubuntu, if you double-click on a Postscript file with only English text in it, the image is shown successfully by the Evince utility. But if you do the same thing with a Postscript file that has Portuguese in it, it is not shown successfully by Evince, and the program just hangs, apparently trying and not succeeding to display the file.

My logic is that Evince cannot even display the image of the Postscript file as usual, it is even less likely that the printer can print it.

However, if there IS a workaround, or my impression is incorrect, I would like to know about it.

Bob






From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Mar 13 21:31:57 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 02:31:57 +0100
Subject: Printing Japanese text
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It appears that the text that I was printing had the font set to  
"Font Name,Japanese" instead of "Font Name,UTF8".

Peter, my guess is that there is a bug in Revolution that affects  
printing Japanese fonts.

Best regards,

Mark

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Op 14-mrt-2007, om 1:22 heeft Mark Schonewille het volgende geschreven:

> Hi Peter,
>
> It is not your machine! I was trying to work around a unicode bug  
> in Revolution which causes Rev to crash. I can now avoid the crash,  
> but get black bars instead.
>
> Mark
>
>
> Op 13-mrt-2007, om 21:35 heeft Peter T. Evensen het volgende  
> geschreven:
>
>> Evidently it is just my Mac.  I wonder what is up with my machine;  
>> I even rebooted and everything.  I will have to try it on some  
>> other Macs here to see if I get the same thing.
>>
>> Thanks, everyone, for all your help.   (If anyone has any  
>> suggestions on what I should look at on my Mac...)



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 13 21:39:49 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 20:39:49 -0500
Subject: [OT]  SheepShaver
In-Reply-To: <C21CD168.B7E8%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
References: <C21CD168.B7E8%JimCarwardine@OwnYourFuture-net.com>
Message-ID: <20070313203949812283.15f7ae89@sonsothunder.com>

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 22:08:40 -0400, Jim Carwardine wrote:

> Hi Ken Ray... Quick question regarding SheepShaver.  I've installed a
> version of OS 9 into SheepShaver.  Now, I have a need to install OS 8.5 to
> run an obscure app that won't run in OS 9.  Can I install a second copy of
> SheepShaver containing the older OS and keep my original installation which
> contains files?  Do I use the same procedure as the first time?  Thanks...

My understanding is that you definitely can do this. You'll just need 
to manage the loaded volumes in SheepShaver GUI so that the right one 
is being used for booting.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Mar 13 23:12:03 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:12:03 -0800
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <45F58656.4010302@howsoft.com>
References: <45F58656.4010302@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <100284841790.20070313191203@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Monday, March 12, 2007, 8:56:54 AM, you wrote:

> 2. Why doesn't the following work?

>  put "smbclient\ \\\\john\\c\ mount" into procToDo
>  open process procToDo for update
>  write "dir" to process procToDo   [or "dir" & return]
>  read from process procToDo until eof
>  put it into field "test"
>  quit
>  close process  procToDo

Well, for one, "mount" doesn't appear to be a valid command to
smbclient. You should try this in a shell window first, get it
working, then try it from rev. My guess is you'll also have to put
username%password info into the commandline as well. Try smbclient -?
for the available options.

Secondly, I don't really think smbclient is something that you'd want
running as a process, unless you've got something really wild in mind.
I'm not an expert on this by any means, but my understanding is that
"open process" is for something you want running in the background, as
on a server, as a daemon for other processes to communicate with. If
you just want to grab a directory listing or file off an smb server
then try the shell() function instead.

put "smbclient \\\\john\\c -Wworkgroup -Uuser%password -cdir" into \
procToDo
put shell(procToDo) into field "test"

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 13 22:23:23 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:23:23 -0500
Subject: Detecting Browser Page on Windows/Linux
In-Reply-To: <C21C4F2C.3093%developer@positivepractices.com>
References: <C21C4F2C.3093%developer@positivepractices.com>
Message-ID: <20070313212323855852.092be054@sonsothunder.com>

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Joseph Martinez wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I know to use AppleScript on a Mac to detect what URL page the currently
> open browser is displaying.  Is there is a way for Windows and Linux to
> perform this same function? Thanks,

Joseph, I have some VBScript that can work in WIndows to give you ther 
URL of all currently open web browser documents (or tabs), but at the 
moment, I don't have a way to know which one is currently displaying. 
If there's only one document open and only one web page, then I can get 
*that* if that would be useful. If so, let me know.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 14 00:02:53 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:02:53 -0500
Subject: Linux questions for Jacque
In-Reply-To: <45F7415D.7000607@howsoft.com>
References: <45F7415D.7000607@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <45F773ED.9030206@hyperactivesw.com>

Bob Warren wrote:
> Jacque:
> 
> First of all, please excuse my delay in replying. We've had no Internet 
> (or cable TV) for the last day or so. How terrible!

A couple of years ago, my email went out for five days. I thought I'd go 
insane. It felt like solitary confinement.

> 
> Second, thanks for your very nice post. You are an example of the kind 
> of communicative and helpful spirit that Rev needs more of.

Thanks. Hopefully you didn't just catch me on a good day. ;)

> Could we kick off with the 2 questions I couldn't find answers to? Here 
> they are:
> 
> 1. In Rev Linux 2.6.1, can foreign symbols (with accents) be printed on 
> the printer or not?

I'll try to find out.

> 
> 2. Why doesn't the following work?
> 
> put "smbclient\ \\\\john\\c\ mount" into procToDo
> open process procToDo for update
> write "dir" to process procToDo   [or "dir" & return]
> read from process procToDo until eof
> put it into field "test"
> quit
> close process  procToDo

Since Mark Wieder was good enough to reply, could you see if his 
suggestion works? If it doesn't I'll ask. I'd like to try solving as 
much here on the list as possible before bugging the team. They're 
really busy.

> In all fairness though, it 
> can't be an easy job. Let's hope that Rev's revised production 
> procedures shine through on the next much-awaited release.

I guess it was far harder than anyone anticipated. The original engine 
code was written exlusively for unix, so one would think it wouldn't be 
that hard to update. But the bulk of the code base is fairly old and a 
lot has changed since it was first written. Mark Waddingham said it was 
like pulling a thread out of a sweater -- everything he fixes unravels 
something else. Once he started pulling it apart, the complexity of the 
task became apparent.

-- 
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HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From krj at insightbb.com  Wed Mar 14 01:06:08 2007
From: krj at insightbb.com (Karen Jones)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:06:08 -0400
Subject: Stadalone Icons
Message-ID: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>

Hello Everyone,

I am a newcomer to Revolution and the list. I am making small drill  
standalones for my computer lab. I have looked and searched for  
instructions on how to make the standalone app display a custom made  
icon, but can't seem to find it. I have created the icon files in  
PhotoShop using IconBuilder.

Is there a website anyone would recomend that addresses this or could  
someone please help me with this.

I would really appreciate the help.

Thank You
Karen J.


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 01:59:48 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:59:48 +1000
Subject: Stadalone Icons
In-Reply-To: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>

> I am a newcomer to Revolution and the list. I am making small drill
> standalones for my computer lab. I have looked and searched for
> instructions on how to make the standalone app display a custom made
> icon, but can't seem to find it. I have created the icon files in
> PhotoShop using IconBuilder.
>
> Is there a website anyone would recomend that addresses this or could
> someone please help me with this.

Hi Karen,

Welcome to the Revolution!

I don't use Photoshop so I can't give you any advice about it's
plugin, but I use a shareware program called Iconographer (I see you
are on a Mac): <http://www.mscape.com/products/iconographer.html>.

Import your Photoshop icon or image into Iconographer, generate the
mask if needed, then "Complete Icon" to fill in all the other sizes.
If you save as a .icns file, that will work for Mac OS X applications.
Save as a .ico file for Windows.

In your stacks Standalone Settings, find the icons section for the
particular platform and select the icon file you just saved. On OS X,
when you build the app, it won' tlook as if it has the real icon. Copy
the app to another folder or zip & unzip it to make the icon appear.

Hope this helps,
Sarah


From scott at elementarysoftware.com  Wed Mar 14 02:30:34 2007
From: scott at elementarysoftware.com (Scott Morrow)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:30:34 -0700
Subject: Stadalone Icons
In-Reply-To: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <0C6E1FB5-778F-4527-8674-AE29DF28B2B9@elementarysoftware.com>

Hello Karen,
In the Standalone Applications Settings window there is a place to  
select the application icon.

In OSX I find that the icon resource(s) (.icns file that you should  
have created with iconBuilder) is not always placed into the bundle  
when the standalone is built. They are easy to copy in by hand,  
fortunately.

Right (Control) click the application bundle and choose "Show Package  
Contents"

Open the "Contents" folder  and copy your .icns file into the  
"Resources" folder.

In order to make the Operating System update the icon I find the  
easiest method is to "Duplicate" the application in the "Finder" and  
the duplicate will then have the correct icon.

If you aren't building for OSX then let us know what platform.

-Scott Morrow

Elementary Software
(Now with 20% less chalk dust !)
web     http://elementarysoftware.com/
email   scott at elementarysoftware.com

-----------------------------------------------------------------

On Mar 13, 2007, at 10:06 PM, Karen Jones wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am a newcomer to Revolution and the list. I am making small drill  
> standalones for my computer lab. I have looked and searched for  
> instructions on how to make the standalone app display a custom  
> made icon, but can't seem to find it. I have created the icon files  
> in PhotoShop using IconBuilder.
>
> Is there a website anyone would recomend that addresses this or  
> could someone please help me with this.
>
> I would really appreciate the help.
>
> Thank You
> Karen J.
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed Mar 14 02:46:17 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 03:46:17 -0300
Subject: Linux File Chooser Correction
Message-ID: <45F79A39.40506@howsoft.com>

A surprising number of you (to me at least) downloaded Demo Pack #2.01 
of my File and Picture Chooser Widgets for Ubuntu. For that reason, I 
must apologise for the necessity of another small correction.

Line 14 of the _file_chooser.ini (or _picture_chooser.ini) can now 
contain a suggested file name for use in SaveAs functions, so unless the 
operator chooses another file, the selected folder can be used with the 
suggested file name to form the whole path. Previously, the OK button 
was disabled until the operator chose a file name from the rightmost 
column, since the widget only functioned for Load or Open operations. 
Now, changing the selected folder on the left should no longer disable 
the OK button, because the operator does not necessarily need to 
actually select a file at all - he can use the suggested file name (or 
type a new one).

A corrected version of the File Chooser is available at:

http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/downloads/_file_chooser_correction.zip

Just substitute it for the one found in the Demo Pack.
The Picture Chooser does not suffer this problem.

Very soon, the Demo Pack itself will be updated with this correction.

Another refinement I need to introduce soon is perhaps to make it 
impossible for the widgets to carry forward filenames such as "*.*" 
which are perfectly acceptable as suggested filenames in the INI file 
and on widget display.
If this does happen with the current version, all you have to do is to 
capture it with your calling program, and re-show the widget. Not 
elegant, but it might do for now.

The next version of the widgets will allow you to show a pure folder 
chooser if you wish, just by adjusting the values in the INI files**. 
For this, the layout of the File Chooser would be changed. The rightmost 
column (containing file names) would no longer be present: the operator 
would simply navigate to his chosen folder in the tree in the leftmost 
(now only) column, and click on OK. In the case of the Picture Chooser, 
the layout would be exactly the same as it is now (allowing image 
previews of the contents of the selected folders), but only the folder 
path (and not any kind of filename) would be transmitted by the widget 
out to the _picture_chooser_choice.txt .

**Perhaps something as simple as allowing the special word "folder" or 
"*folder" in line 14 of the INI file (where the suggested file name is 
usually specified).

Clear as mud?

Regards to all,
Bob



From otto at larshansenphoto.com  Wed Mar 14 03:46:22 2007
From: otto at larshansenphoto.com (ottothecow)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 00:46:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: 2 dimensional Arrays
Message-ID: <9469753.post@talk.nabble.com>


I have a two dimensional array in my program and I am having some trouble
getting values to come out of it.

The array is keyed in both dimentions by entries such as "s1","s1" "s1","s2"
etc. (the quotes are included in the key for various reasons but they could
potentially be removed)

the values in the array are either empty or 1

if I call for a value using something like:
answer myArray["s1","s2"]
I will get the value returned to me but if I try to use variables it doesnt
work right.  
If I have a variable leftVar that contains "s1" and rightVar that contains
"s2" (both with quotes) and I say
answer myArray[leftVar,rightVar]
I get returned an empty message.

I dont seem to have this problem when calling a single dimension array, only
in my 2-dimension one.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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From henk at iglow-media.nl  Wed Mar 14 04:24:16 2007
From: henk at iglow-media.nl (Henk van der Velden)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:24:16 +0100
Subject: 2 dimensional Arrays
In-Reply-To: <20070312170003.82597488FF4@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070312170003.82597488FF4@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <09A6FBE1-D0D5-4F6A-8D7D-226EA191FABA@iglow-media.nl>

Hi Otto,

Rev doesn't support 2 dimensional arrays, so you have to kind of fake  
them. That can be done by naming the keys the way you do. But if you  
want to get the value of a specific  key, you should use:
myArray["x" & comma & "y"]
instead of
myArray["x","y"]

Hope this helps.

You can also take a look at
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/arry001.htm

Kind regards,

Henk
--------------------------
Henk v.d. Velden
iGlow Media
Magda Janssenslaan 36
3584 GR  UTRECHT
Netherlands

0031 (0)6 16 024 337
www.iglow-media.nl


> I have a two dimensional array in my program and I am having some  
> trouble
> getting values to come out of it.
>
> The array is keyed in both dimentions by entries such as "s1","s1"  
> "s1","s2"
> etc. (the quotes are included in the key for various reasons but  
> they could
> potentially be removed)
>
> the values in the array are either empty or 1
>
> if I call for a value using something like:
> answer myArray["s1","s2"]
> I will get the value returned to me but if I try to use variables  
> it doesnt
> work right.
> If I have a variable leftVar that contains "s1" and rightVar that  
> contains
> "s2" (both with quotes) and I say
> answer myArray[leftVar,rightVar]
> I get returned an empty message.
>
> I dont seem to have this problem when calling a single dimension  
> array, only
> in my 2-dimension one.
>






From otto at larshansenphoto.com  Wed Mar 14 04:33:28 2007
From: otto at larshansenphoto.com (Otto Hansen)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 03:33:28 -0500
Subject: 2 dimensional Arrays
In-Reply-To: <09A6FBE1-D0D5-4F6A-8D7D-226EA191FABA@iglow-media.nl>
References: <20070312170003.82597488FF4@mail.runrev.com>
	<09A6FBE1-D0D5-4F6A-8D7D-226EA191FABA@iglow-media.nl>
Message-ID: <45F7B358.3010603@larshansenphoto.com>

Thanks for that, the site made rev's arrays a little more understandable.

the method you sent me didn't seem to work but I managed to hack 
together some code that works:
put character 2 to the length of leftVar - 1 of leftVar into L
put character 2 to the length of rightVar - 1 of rightVar into R
answer myArray[L,R]

This just strips away the quotation marks from leftVar and rightVar 
which after seeing that I site I realized to be the problem

Thanks,
Otto


Henk van der Velden wrote:
> Hi Otto,
>
> Rev doesn't support 2 dimensional arrays, so you have to kind of fake 
> them. That can be done by naming the keys the way you do. But if you 
> want to get the value of a specific  key, you should use:
> myArray["x" & comma & "y"]
> instead of
> myArray["x","y"]
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> You can also take a look at
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/arry001.htm
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Henk
> --------------------------
> Henk v.d. Velden
> iGlow Media
> Magda Janssenslaan 36
> 3584 GR  UTRECHT
> Netherlands
>
> 0031 (0)6 16 024 337
> www.iglow-media.nl
>
>
>> I have a two dimensional array in my program and I am having some 
>> trouble
>> getting values to come out of it.
>>
>> The array is keyed in both dimentions by entries such as "s1","s1" 
>> "s1","s2"
>> etc. (the quotes are included in the key for various reasons but they 
>> could
>> potentially be removed)
>>
>> the values in the array are either empty or 1
>>
>> if I call for a value using something like:
>> answer myArray["s1","s2"]
>> I will get the value returned to me but if I try to use variables it 
>> doesnt
>> work right.
>> If I have a variable leftVar that contains "s1" and rightVar that 
>> contains
>> "s2" (both with quotes) and I say
>> answer myArray[leftVar,rightVar]
>> I get returned an empty message.
>>
>> I dont seem to have this problem when calling a single dimension 
>> array, only
>> in my 2-dimension one.
>>
>
>
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> subscription preferences:
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From barryb at libero.it  Wed Mar 14 04:57:38 2007
From: barryb at libero.it (barryb at libero.it)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:57:38 +0100
Subject: Vista, Speech Wreckognition, and perl (Mark Wieder)
Message-ID: <JEVY82$3992B39B9BEB4C0D7AC2F931B7DBBD56@libero.it>



Mark Weider wrote Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:21:36 -0800 :-

>!!!-
>Warning - I laughed for ten minutes solid...
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyLqUf4cdwc
>mwieder at ahsoftware.net

Great! 
It reminds me of a report many years ago in MacFormat Magazine.
It went something ike this; The MS team had worked for months on the development of a new Handwriting  Recognition software. Satisfied with their efforts they proudly presented it to Mr W.Gates who immediately tried it, by writing a phrase, and got no results!
The developers had forgotten that their boss is left handed!!

ADDENDUM
 My belated apologies for not thanking those who offered comments to my post on transparent images but I wanted to research further on this theme and we 'hobbyists' are not so assiduous as many of you on this list ;)
Thank you all for being 'out there'.

Cheers Barry 





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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Mar 14 05:37:27 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:37:27 +0100
Subject: Stadalone Icons
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A66B3D6B-CC68-477C-B4E1-588B6BF7C750@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Karen and Sarah,

If you are creating icons for Windows, you don't want to use  
IconoGrapher. It creates an ugly mask that is visible in all  
transparent areas of the icon. If you are creating icons for Mac OS X  
and Mac OS 9 only, IconoGrapher is a great tool. I tried contacting  
the author to ask when an update will become available, but didn't  
get an answer.

For Mac, there is Apple's Icon Composer. You will find this in  
folder /Developer/Applications/Utilities, after installing Apple's  
Developer Tools, which you can obtain for free from Apple Developer  
Connection or is included with your system software.

For Windows, there is an excellent freeware tool, called IconFX,  
which creates icons for Windows 98, ME, 2000, XP and Vista. Download  
it from <http://icofx.xhost.ro/>.

Best regards,

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 14-mrt-2007, om 6:59 heeft Sarah Reichelt het volgende geschreven:

>
> Hi Karen,
>
> Welcome to the Revolution!
>
> I don't use Photoshop so I can't give you any advice about it's
> plugin, but I use a shareware program called Iconographer (I see you
> are on a Mac): <http://www.mscape.com/products/iconographer.html>.
>
> Import your Photoshop icon or image into Iconographer, generate the
> mask if needed, then "Complete Icon" to fill in all the other sizes.
> If you save as a .icns file, that will work for Mac OS X applications.
> Save as a .ico file for Windows.
>
> In your stacks Standalone Settings, find the icons section for the
> particular platform and select the icon file you just saved. On OS X,
> when you build the app, it won' tlook as if it has the real icon. Copy
> the app to another folder or zip & unzip it to make the icon appear.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Sarah


From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar 14 05:38:28 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:38:28 +0000
Subject: [OT] Digital Outlook Report
Message-ID: <1B735A01-F50B-4501-A2E1-0DA6479F0D45@widged.com>

Found on Guy Kawasaki's blog <http://blog.guykawasaki.com/>

"Avenue A Razorfish recently published the 2007 Digital Outlook  
Report (6230.6K). This report examines trends in the way consumers,  
publishers, and advertisers employ digital media to have a  
conversation with each other."

http://guykawasaki.typepad.com/DMOR_FINAL_reduced.pdf

Best,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education




From supote.songthammawat at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 05:41:56 2007
From: supote.songthammawat at gmail.com (supote songthammawat)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 16:41:56 +0700
Subject: Can Runrev 2.5.1 build website ??
Message-ID: <680dfa960703140241j50e6de7cted9cd0603ed81d36@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everybody,

     I want to know runrev v.2.5.1 can build website as PHP, Html.
Please tell or suggest me. And if can do how to build website by use runrev?

    Thank you.

Best Regard,
Supote


From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar 14 05:57:16 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:57:16 +0000
Subject: Can Runrev 2.5.1 build website ??
In-Reply-To: <680dfa960703140241j50e6de7cted9cd0603ed81d36@mail.gmail.com>
References: <680dfa960703140241j50e6de7cted9cd0603ed81d36@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D18DBD6-3023-4F5B-8616-0CD4D1DCE5AA@widged.com>

Dear Supote,

A few tutorials on building CGI's with revolution have appeared in  
runrev's newsletters:

Part 1. <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/july/issue4/newsletter2.html>
Part 2. <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/july/issue5/newsletter2.html>
Part 3. <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/august/issue6/ 
newsletter2.html>
Part 4. <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/august/issue7/newsletter2.php>
Part 5. <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/august/issue8/newsletter2.php>
Part 6. <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/september/issue9/ 
newsletter2.php>

Best,
Marielle

On 14 Mar 2007, at 09:41, supote songthammawat wrote:

> Hi everybody,
>
>     I want to know runrev v.2.5.1 can build website as PHP, Html.
> Please tell or suggest me. And if can do how to build website by  
> use runrev?
>
>    Thank you.
>
> Best Regard,
> Supote




From nickp at didata.bw  Wed Mar 14 07:03:08 2007
From: nickp at didata.bw (Nic Prioleau)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:03:08 +0200
Subject: Dimensional Arrays
References: <1B735A01-F50B-4501-A2E1-0DA6479F0D45@widged.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c76628$591c9980$480aa8c0@didata.bw>

I appologise in advance for what may seem like simple programming logic to 
some, but I'm not really a programmer and I've been staring at this problem 
for 5 hours now and can't seem to figure it out. I have 3 multi-dimensional 
arrays which I need to get "grouped" information out of:-

tArray1["Data",1,"regNo"] = "B123ABC"
tArray1["Data,1,"tLitres"] = "500"
tArray1["Data",1,"month"] = 2
tArray1["Data",2,"regNo"] = "B123ABC"
tArray1["Data,2,"tLitres"] = "300"
tArray1["Data",2,"month"] = 3
tArray1["Data",3,"regNo"] = "B456ABC"
tArray1["Data,3,"tLitres"] = "200"
tArray1["Data",3,"month"] = 4

tArray2["Data",1,"regNo"] = "B123ABC"
tArray2["Data",1,"tLitres"] = "1000"
tArray2["Data",1,"tKM"] = "2500"
tArray2["Data",1,"month"] = 2
tArray2["Data",2,"regNo"] = "B123ABC"
tArray2["Data,2,"tLitres"] = "150"
tArray2["Data",2,"tKM"] = "3000"
tArray2["Data",2,"month"] = 3
tArray2["Data",3,"regNo"] = "B456ABC"
tArray2["Data,3,"tLitres"] = "150"
tArray2["Data",3,"tKM"] = "3000"
tArray2["Data",3,"month"] = 4

AND....
tArray3["Data",1,"regNo"] = "B123ABC"
tArray3["Data",1,"tLitres"] = "350"
tArray3["Data",1,"tKM"] = "800"
tArray3["Data",1,"month"] = 2
tArray3["Data",2,"regNo"] = "B123ABC"
tArray3["Data,2,"tLitres"] = "250"
tArray3["Data",2,"tKM"] = "600"
tArray3["Data",2,"month"] = 3
tArray3["Data",3,"regNo"] = "B456ABC"
tArray3["Data,3,"tLitres"] = "250"
tArray3["Data",3,"tKM"] = "100"
tArray3["Data",3,"month"] = 4

what I need to end up with is data from these 3 arrays which will end up 
looking something like this:

regNo "B123ABC" used 1850Ltrs and did 3300 km in month 2
regNo "B123ABC" used 700Ltrs and did 3600 km in month 3
regNo "B456ABC" used 500Ltrs and did 3100 km in month 4

Can anyone explain how I might be able to do this. I basically got the info 
by doing 3 'grouped' select statements from 3 different tables. This info 
gets stored in the arrays above but when it comes time to writing a report 
or doing calculations, I need to add them all up. It's probably staring me 
in the face but I have 'arc eye' from staring at the screen for so long!

Mighty appreciative! 


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From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar 14 07:13:09 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:13:09 +0000
Subject: 2 dimensional Arrays
In-Reply-To: <45F7B358.3010603@larshansenphoto.com>
References: <20070312170003.82597488FF4@mail.runrev.com>
	<09A6FBE1-D0D5-4F6A-8D7D-226EA191FABA@iglow-media.nl>
	<45F7B358.3010603@larshansenphoto.com>
Message-ID: <6E3E9044-BE1F-499D-A26B-A722D875AB2E@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

The problem is that "arrays" in RunRev are not "arrays" in the same  
sense as in languages like C/C++ or Pascal etc. They are really look  
up tables. In RunRev instead of passing an index (or indexes) to  
retrieve the data for an entry you pass a key. You can fake the way  
Arrays work in languages like C/C++ etc, by passing key values such  
as "1,5", but this is actually passing a three character key of "1"  
"," "2".

I've found that if you are using the key section in a non-trivial way  
(like in the 2D array example) it's better to use a function that  
returns your munged key for you, e.g. something like this:

function Get2DArrayKey theIndex1,theIndex2

return theIndex1 & "," & theIndex2
end

and to use:

put "xxxx" into my2DArray[Get2DArrayKey(1,5) ]

or

put  my2DArray[Get2DArrayKey(1,5)] into myValue


If you *ALWAYS* use this function, you will always get consistent  
keys, otherwise you may have the problem you described where it's  
starts to get confusing because of extra quote characters, etc.

Hope this Helps
Dave


On 14 Mar 2007, at 08:33, Otto Hansen wrote:

> Thanks for that, the site made rev's arrays a little more  
> understandable.
>
> the method you sent me didn't seem to work but I managed to hack  
> together some code that works:
> put character 2 to the length of leftVar - 1 of leftVar into L
> put character 2 to the length of rightVar - 1 of rightVar into R
> answer myArray[L,R]
>
> This just strips away the quotation marks from leftVar and rightVar  
> which after seeing that I site I realized to be the problem
>
> Thanks,
> Otto
>
>
> Henk van der Velden wrote:
>> Hi Otto,
>>
>> Rev doesn't support 2 dimensional arrays, so you have to kind of  
>> fake them. That can be done by naming the keys the way you do. But  
>> if you want to get the value of a specific  key, you should use:
>> myArray["x" & comma & "y"]
>> instead of
>> myArray["x","y"]
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> You can also take a look at
>> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/arry001.htm
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Henk
>> --------------------------
>> Henk v.d. Velden
>> iGlow Media
>> Magda Janssenslaan 36
>> 3584 GR  UTRECHT
>> Netherlands
>>
>> 0031 (0)6 16 024 337
>> www.iglow-media.nl
>>
>>
>>> I have a two dimensional array in my program and I am having some  
>>> trouble
>>> getting values to come out of it.
>>>
>>> The array is keyed in both dimentions by entries such as  
>>> "s1","s1" "s1","s2"
>>> etc. (the quotes are included in the key for various reasons but  
>>> they could
>>> potentially be removed)
>>>
>>> the values in the array are either empty or 1
>>>
>>> if I call for a value using something like:
>>> answer myArray["s1","s2"]
>>> I will get the value returned to me but if I try to use variables  
>>> it doesnt
>>> work right.
>>> If I have a variable leftVar that contains "s1" and rightVar that  
>>> contains
>>> "s2" (both with quotes) and I say
>>> answer myArray[leftVar,rightVar]
>>> I get returned an empty message.
>>>
>>> I dont seem to have this problem when calling a single dimension  
>>> array, only
>>> in my 2-dimension one.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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From mark_powell at symantec.com  Wed Mar 14 08:48:55 2007
From: mark_powell at symantec.com (Mark Powell)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:48:55 -0700
Subject: Detecting Browser Page on Windows/Linux
References: <C21C4F2C.3093%developer@positivepractices.com>
	<20070313212323855852.092be054@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C70401D445@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>


> Ken Ray wrote
> I have some VBScript that can work in WIndows to give you ther URL of
all currently open web browser documents (or tabs)...

Hi Ken:

Can your script send a force-refresh to a named browser window?
(Windows OS)

Mark





From nickp at didata.bw  Wed Mar 14 09:02:20 2007
From: nickp at didata.bw (Nic Prioleau)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:02:20 +0200
Subject: strange code problem
References: <20070312170003.82597488FF4@mail.runrev.com><09A6FBE1-D0D5-4F6A-8D7D-226EA191FABA@iglow-media.nl><45F7B358.3010603@larshansenphoto.com>
	<6E3E9044-BE1F-499D-A26B-A722D875AB2E@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <007001c76639$00793160$480aa8c0@didata.bw>

Can anyone tell me why the code in red will work if I "Step" through it but as soon as I let it run normally I will get blank results??
It seems to "skip" the second repeat but if I put an answer msg in it, it reaches the answer msg!????

put "truckRegNo,totalFuel,totalKM,month" into tHeadings
  split tHeadings with comma
  put "1,2,3,4" into tColumns
  split tColumns with comma
  put the number of lines in thisOne into sRecordCount -- "thisOne" is a variable which contains comma seperated values like:- B456ADF,1000,2500,2
  put 0 into x
  answer thisOne
  repeat for each line thisLine in thisOne
    split thisLine with comma
    --answer x
    add 1 to x
    repeat for each element thisE in tColumns
      put tHeadings[thisE] into tHeader
      put thisLine[thisE] into tDetail[x,tHeader]
      --answer sColumn[thisLine,tHeader]
    end repeat
 end repeat

Any help appreciated!!!
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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Wed Mar 14 08:57:27 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:57:27 +0000
Subject: Ideas and Suggestions on Generating Frames for a Movie
In-Reply-To: <264d3c33740c6de82315917537ce900f@netrin.com>
References: <20070312170003.D91E448901D@mail.runrev.com>
	<264d3c33740c6de82315917537ce900f@netrin.com>
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On 12 Mar 2007, at 20:24, Jim Lambert wrote:

>> what I would like to be able
>> to do is it put the background pixels into a pixel buffer, then the
>> pixels of each object in the frame into a the same pixel buffer
>> (overwriting the background) and then pass this buffer to an external
>> command that would write one frame of the QuickTime movie.
>
> Import snapshot would give you an image of the current frame.
> Depending on the capabilities of your QuickTime thingy you might be  
> able to pass the imagedata of that image directly to it.
> Or,
> export snapshot to create a numbered series of JPEGs which is then  
> post-processed by your QuickTime thingy into a movie.

I've uploaded a demo stack to RevOnline (user: Ian Wood) showing the  
old and new syntaxes for exporting from areas and objects, in  
sequential manner.

Your external sounds interesting, I've been messing around with  
Trevor DeVore's QT external to do something similar but it required a  
few hacks and is a bit unstable because of that.

Ian


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 14 09:14:33 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:14:33 -0500
Subject: While this may be heresy
In-Reply-To: <944E35F5-4884-49C3-9D43-FF689230C97D@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <944E35F5-4884-49C3-9D43-FF689230C97D@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20070314081433535838.b86cdde1@sonsothunder.com>

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 17:34:12 +0000, Simon HARPER wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> While I understand this may be heresy, how does Revolution stack up 
> to RealBasic, especially when it comes to thinks like richness of the 
> interface (such as hierarchical Listboxs)?

It's not heresy, it's a reasonable question. :-) 

However it's a question that could take a long time to answer, 
depending on how specific you want a comparison. They both have their 
strengths and weaknesses, and at one time a member of this list (Geoff 
Canyon) wrote up a comparison between the two, but this was several 
versions ago for both products, so only a portion of that treatise  is 
relevant anymore.

However, my opinion is that in relation to the "richness of the 
interface", it's a tie. RealBasic has more built in interface objects 
than Rev, but Rev has more control over its interface objects than 
RealBasic. So in my opinion for this specific issue, it's a toss-up. Of 
course you can create your own custom objects in both programs to fill 
any gaps.

But the power of Revolution isn't centered in the expansiveness of its 
built-in controls; it's in the language itself. If you are interested, 
I wrote an unpublished paper that walked through the RealBasic tutorial 
document, examined it, and compared it with how you'd do things in 
Revolution. As an overview, in about 80% of the code comparisons, 
Revolution took less lines of code to accomplish the same task than did 
RealBasic. If you're interested in having a look, contact me offlist.

There is (obviously) a lot more to compare the two products, but 
hopefully this will help get you started...


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From markgreenberg at cox.net  Wed Mar 14 09:13:08 2007
From: markgreenberg at cox.net (Mark Greenberg)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:13:08 -0700
Subject: Launching the Calculator
Message-ID: <688BF314-7329-4658-BD7B-211866299204@cox.net>

Two students of mine are building a stack to give learners some  
practice with the concepts of mean, median, mode, quartiles, and  
range.  They asked me whether they could have a button in their stack  
that launches the calculator that comes with windows (chiefly so the  
students can add and divide for mean).  So I'm asking the list  
members.  Keep in mind that these students have less than 2 hours so  
far of programming experience whatsoever, so shell commands and  
externals would be too much for them.  They are working on Windows XP  
to compile for Windows.

An alternative would be for them to create their own calculator  
within the stack or as a substack.  They only have three weeks to  
finish this project, so I was hoping to avoid that rout.

Thanks in advance,

	Mark Greenberg


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 14 09:18:37 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:18:37 -0500
Subject: Detecting Browser Page on Windows/Linux
In-Reply-To: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C70401D445@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
References: <C21C4F2C.3093%developer@positivepractices.com>
	<20070313212323855852.092be054@sonsothunder.com>
	<E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C70401D445@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
Message-ID: <20070314081837315109.9a400b3f@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:48:55 -0700, Mark Powell wrote:

> 
>> Ken Ray wrote
>> I have some VBScript that can work in WIndows to give you ther URL of
> all currently open web browser documents (or tabs)...
> 
> Hi Ken:
> 
> Can your script send a force-refresh to a named browser window?
> (Windows OS)

Sort of - you can force a refresh to a browser window that is 
displaying a specific (known) URL. Will that work for you?


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From klaus at major-k.de  Wed Mar 14 09:23:36 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:23:36 +0100
Subject: Launching the Calculator
In-Reply-To: <688BF314-7329-4658-BD7B-211866299204@cox.net>
References: <688BF314-7329-4658-BD7B-211866299204@cox.net>
Message-ID: <400E95A9-EE42-430B-837D-9AFA61F1D338@major-k.de>

Hi Mark,

> Two students of mine are building a stack to give learners some  
> practice with the concepts of mean, median, mode, quartiles, and  
> range.  They asked me whether they could have a button in their  
> stack that launches the calculator that comes with windows (chiefly  
> so the students can add and divide for mean).  So I'm asking the  
> list members.  Keep in mind that these students have less than 2  
> hours so far of programming experience whatsoever, so shell  
> commands and externals would be too much for them.  They are  
> working on Windows XP to compile for Windows.
>
> An alternative would be for them to create their own calculator  
> within the stack or as a substack.  They only have three weeks to  
> finish this project, so I was hoping to avoid that rout.

Check the "launch" command, that should do the trick.

...
launch "C:/omplete/path/to the app to be launched/ here.exe"
...

Remember to provide the complete filepath in REV (UNIX) notation with  
slashes!

> Thanks in advance,
>
> 	Mark Greenberg

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 14 09:30:00 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:30:00 -0500
Subject: Launching the Calculator
In-Reply-To: <688BF314-7329-4658-BD7B-211866299204@cox.net>
References: <688BF314-7329-4658-BD7B-211866299204@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20070314083000903620.c76da313@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:13:08 -0700, Mark Greenberg wrote:

> Two students of mine are building a stack to give learners some 
> practice with the concepts of mean, median, mode, quartiles, and 
> range.  They asked me whether they could have a button in their stack 
> that launches the calculator that comes with windows (chiefly so the 
> students can add and divide for mean).  So I'm asking the list 
> members.  Keep in mind that these students have less than 2 hours so 
> far of programming experience whatsoever, so shell commands and 
> externals would be too much for them.  They are working on Windows XP 
> to compile for Windows.

    launch "C:/Windows/Notepad.exe"

However if for some reason the main Windows folder was renamed (some 
people do this on install), you can get the path to the current Windows 
folder using specialFolderPath:

    put specialFolderPath("system") into tWindowsDir
    launch (tWindowsDir & "/Notepad.exe")

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar 14 09:35:26 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:35:26 +0000
Subject: Launching the Calculator
In-Reply-To: <688BF314-7329-4658-BD7B-211866299204@cox.net>
References: <688BF314-7329-4658-BD7B-211866299204@cox.net>
Message-ID: <45F7FA1E.30405@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

This should work:

launch "C:\\WINDOWS\System32\calc.exe"

Unless you've renamed your System Root directory, so just rename
'WINDOWS" to whatever your System Root is.

Cheers,

Luis.


Mark Greenberg wrote:
> Two students of mine are building a stack to give learners some practice 
> with the concepts of mean, median, mode, quartiles, and range.  They 
> asked me whether they could have a button in their stack that launches 
> the calculator that comes with windows (chiefly so the students can add 
> and divide for mean).  So I'm asking the list members.  Keep in mind 
> that these students have less than 2 hours so far of programming 
> experience whatsoever, so shell commands and externals would be too much 
> for them.  They are working on Windows XP to compile for Windows.
> 
> An alternative would be for them to create their own calculator within 
> the stack or as a substack.  They only have three weeks to finish this 
> project, so I was hoping to avoid that rout.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
>     Mark Greenberg
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> subscription preferences:
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 14 09:36:07 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:36:07 -0500
Subject: strange code problem
In-Reply-To: <007001c76639$00793160$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
References: <20070312170003.82597488FF4@mail.runrev.com>
	<09A6FBE1-D0D5-4F6A-8D7D-226EA191FABA@iglow-media.nl>
	<45F7B358.3010603@larshansenphoto.com>
	<6E3E9044-BE1F-499D-A26B-A722D875AB2E@looktowindward.com>
	<007001c76639$00793160$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
Message-ID: <20070314083607230102.909d100c@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:02:20 +0200, Nic Prioleau wrote:

> Can anyone tell me why the code in red will work if I "Step" through 
> it but as soon as I let it run normally I will get blank results??

Sorry, Nic, but I don't see the red text in my email client (it's just 
all normal text). Can you repost with comments or other indicators so 
that those of us without color can help?

Thanks,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 09:43:53 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:43:53 +0800
Subject: strange code problem
In-Reply-To: <007001c76639$00793160$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
References: <20070312170003.82597488FF4@mail.runrev.com>
	<09A6FBE1-D0D5-4F6A-8D7D-226EA191FABA@iglow-media.nl>
	<45F7B358.3010603@larshansenphoto.com>
	<6E3E9044-BE1F-499D-A26B-A722D875AB2E@looktowindward.com>
	<007001c76639$00793160$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703140643y42093c74o5c8f3333d4af2f0f@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/14/07, Nic Prioleau <nickp at didata.bw> wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me why the code in red will work if I "Step" through it
> but as soon as I let it run normally I will get blank results??
> It seems to "skip" the second repeat but if I put an answer msg in it, it
> reaches the answer msg!????


I can't really tell because it's not apparent whether this code is launched
within a Function Handler or a mouseUp handler, but I notice that inside the
second repeat loops your variables are prefixed with a 't' which normally
means they are temporary. If this was inside a mouseUp handler everything
would disappear on completion.

If you 'step' past your answer msg, and keep stepping until the very end, ie
past your 'end mouseUp' handler or whatever, does everything disappear?


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 14 09:54:56 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:54:56 -0500
Subject: Dimensional Arrays
In-Reply-To: <004e01c76628$591c9980$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
References: <1B735A01-F50B-4501-A2E1-0DA6479F0D45@widged.com>
	<004e01c76628$591c9980$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
Message-ID: <20070314085456899071.ac9f3886@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:03:08 +0200, Nic Prioleau wrote:

> I appologise in advance for what may seem like simple programming 
> logic to some, but I'm not really a programmer and I've been staring 
> at this problem for 5 hours now and can't seem to figure it out. I 
> have 3 multi-dimensional arrays which I need to get "grouped" 
> information out of:-
> 
> tArray1["Data",1,"regNo"] = "B123ABC"
> tArray1["Data,1,"tLitres"] = "500"
> tArray1["Data",1,"month"] = 2
> tArray1["Data",2,"regNo"] = "B123ABC"
> tArray1["Data,2,"tLitres"] = "300"
> tArray1["Data",2,"month"] = 3
> tArray1["Data",3,"regNo"] = "B456ABC"
> tArray1["Data,3,"tLitres"] = "200"
> tArray1["Data",3,"month"] = 4
> 
> tArray2["Data",1,"regNo"] = "B123ABC"
> tArray2["Data",1,"tLitres"] = "1000"
> tArray2["Data",1,"tKM"] = "2500"
> tArray2["Data",1,"month"] = 2
> tArray2["Data",2,"regNo"] = "B123ABC"
> tArray2["Data,2,"tLitres"] = "150"
> tArray2["Data",2,"tKM"] = "3000"
> tArray2["Data",2,"month"] = 3
> tArray2["Data",3,"regNo"] = "B456ABC"
> tArray2["Data,3,"tLitres"] = "150"
> tArray2["Data",3,"tKM"] = "3000"
> tArray2["Data",3,"month"] = 4
> 
> AND....
> tArray3["Data",1,"regNo"] = "B123ABC"
> tArray3["Data",1,"tLitres"] = "350"
> tArray3["Data",1,"tKM"] = "800"
> tArray3["Data",1,"month"] = 2
> tArray3["Data",2,"regNo"] = "B123ABC"
> tArray3["Data,2,"tLitres"] = "250"
> tArray3["Data",2,"tKM"] = "600"
> tArray3["Data",2,"month"] = 3
> tArray3["Data",3,"regNo"] = "B456ABC"
> tArray3["Data,3,"tLitres"] = "250"
> tArray3["Data",3,"tKM"] = "100"
> tArray3["Data",3,"month"] = 4
> 
> what I need to end up with is data from these 3 arrays which will end 
> up looking something like this:
> 
> regNo "B123ABC" used 1850Ltrs and did 3300 km in month 2
> regNo "B123ABC" used 700Ltrs and did 3600 km in month 3
> regNo "B456ABC" used 500Ltrs and did 3100 km in month 4
> 
> Can anyone explain how I might be able to do this. I basically got 
> the info by doing 3 'grouped' select statements from 3 different 
> tables. This info gets stored in the arrays above but when it comes 
> time to writing a report or doing calculations, I need to add them 
> all up. It's probably staring me in the face but I have 'arc eye' 
> from staring at the screen for so long!

No problem, although the structure of the arrays you have is a little 
odd (although it works fine). That is, if the key of an array has 
multiple quoted strings in it, it "collapses" to a single quoted 
string. For example:

   tArray3["Data",3,"month"]=4

is the same as:

   tArray3["Data,3,month"]=4

Honestly, I didn't know you could have multiple quoted strings in a key 
and have it work (learn something new every day!). However to grab your 
data you could do this:

-- If you have a fixed set of 3 arrays which have the same keys:
put "B123ABC" into tRegNo
put "2" into tMonth
put "" into tReport
repeat for each line tKey in (the keys of tArray1)
  if item 3 of tKey is "month" then
    put tArray1[tKey] into tMonth
    put item 2 of tKey into tRecNo  -- this is the record number (I'm 
assuming)
    put tArray1["Data," & tRecNo & ",regNo"] into tRegNo
    
    put tArray1["Data," & tRecNo & ",tKM"] into tKM1
    put tArray2["Data," & tRecNo & ",tKM"] into tKM2
    put tArray3["Data," & tRecNo & ",tKM"] into tKM3
    put tArray1["Data," & tRecNo & ",tLitres"] into tLitres1
    put tArray2["Data," & tRecNo & ",tLitres"] into tLitres2
    put tArray3["Data," & tRecNo & ",tLitres"] into tLitres3
    put "regNo" && quote & tRegNo & quote && "used" && \
       (tLitres1+tLitres2+tLitres3) & "Ltrs and did" && \
       (tKM1+tKM2+tKM3) && "km in month" && tMonth & \
       CR after tReport
end repeat
delete char -1 of tReport -- removes trailing CR
put tReport into field 1

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar 14 09:55:30 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:55:30 +0000
Subject: While this may be heresy
In-Reply-To: <944E35F5-4884-49C3-9D43-FF689230C97D@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <944E35F5-4884-49C3-9D43-FF689230C97D@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <8A9C6B8C-4FEC-47F3-BD5E-D9B5C3EE7C78@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Well, in my opinion straight out of the box they are about the same.  
If you are used to other more traditional programming languages like  
C/C++, Pascal or Basic then you will probably have a harder time  
getting your head around the way that RunRev works. This is made even  
harder since the documentation for RunRev isn't that good and because  
there are silly problems that can bite you.

However, once you get into RunRev and start developing your own way  
of doing things (for instance I have my own Message Manager and  
Application Framework), then RunRev *really* starts to pay off. You  
can get things done really quickly, I'd say probably 50% faster than  
in  RealBasic.

Hope this Helps.

All the Best
Dave

On 13 Mar 2007, at 17:34, Simon HARPER wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> While I understand this may be heresy, how does Revolution stack up  
> to RealBasic, especially when it comes to thinks like richness of  
> the interface (such as hierarchical Listboxs)?
>
>
> Cheers
> Si.
>
> ====
> Simon Harper
> 2.44 Kilburn Building
> University of Manchester (UK)
>
> Pri: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk
> Alt: sharper at cs.man.ac.uk
>
>
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 14 09:59:25 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:59:25 -0500
Subject: Ideas and Suggestions on Generating Frames for a Movie
In-Reply-To: <1722D5B9-9EBF-4EA8-AC01-2E329F94BF7F@looktowindward.com>
References: <06C5F0B8-31D1-4D1C-83F7-B9CFE2C5CE2E@orwell.net>
	<20070309105104967891.1471552a@sonsothunder.com>
	<EFB69F69-121F-4C7A-9E2B-B6B55132CC98@gmail.com>
	<5A90049E-1FA8-47A2-918D-DF4C59CB01D6@orwell.net>
	<1722D5B9-9EBF-4EA8-AC01-2E329F94BF7F@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <20070314085925009683.0ffc1a52@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:23:16 +0000, Dave wrote:

> I know how to do most of this. I have an external command module that 
> can generate QuickTime movies and I know how to  create rectangles 
> etc and move them around the frame. However I am not sure how to 
> render everything inside the frame, e.g. what I would like to be able 
> to do is it put the background pixels into a pixel buffer, then the 
> pixels of each object in the frame into a the same pixel buffer 
> (overwriting the background) and then pass this buffer to an external 
> command that would write one frame of the QuickTime movie. After 
> writing a frame, it would then change the colors of the objects, 
> perform any movement or size change and render out the next frame.

Well, there's a property called "imagePixmapID" that is *supposed* to 
provide the handle to pixMap in an image object; perhaps that can be 
used? I personally haven't used it, so I don't know if it works, but 
give it a shot...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From P.Jimmieson at csc.liv.ac.uk  Wed Mar 14 10:03:23 2007
From: P.Jimmieson at csc.liv.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:03:23 +0000
Subject: strange code problem
In-Reply-To: <007001c76639$00793160$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
References: <20070312170003.82597488FF4@mail.runrev.com><09A6FBE1-D0D5-4F6A-8D7D-226EA
	191FABA@iglow-media.nl><45F7B358.3010603@larshansenphoto.com>
	<6E3E9044-BE1F-499D-A26B-A722D875AB2E@looktowindward.com>
	<007001c76639$00793160$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
Message-ID: <a06240805c21dafad1ac1@[10.50.4.4]>

>Can anyone tell me why the code in red will work if I "Step" through 
>it but as soon as I let it run normally I will get blank results??
>It seems to "skip" the second repeat but if I put an answer msg in 
>it, it reaches the answer msg!????

Hi Nic,
I don't think you're allowed to use split with a "for each"variable - 
you're not allowed to modify the contents of a "for each" variable 
yourself, and split effectively munges it into an array, which causes 
all sorts of weird problems. This has hit me before in my own code. 
Try the modified code below:

>
>put "truckRegNo,totalFuel,totalKM,month" into tHeadings
>   split tHeadings with comma
>   put "1,2,3,4" into tColumns
>   split tColumns with comma
>   put the number of lines in thisOne into sRecordCount -- "thisOne" 
>is a variable which contains comma seperated values like:- 
>B456ADF,1000,2500,2
>   put 0 into x
>   answer thisOne
>   repeat for each line thisLine in thisOne

put thisLine into workingline --use a copy of thisLine
  split workingline with comma

>     --answer x
>     add 1 to x
>     repeat for each element thisE in tColumns
>       put tHeadings[thisE] into tHeader

  put workingline[thisE] into tDetail[x,tHeader]

>       --answer sColumn[thisLine,tHeader]
>     end repeat
>  end repeat

-- 
Phil Jimmieson  phil at csc.liv.ac.uk  (UK) 0151 795 4236
Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton Street
Liverpool L69 3BX              http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/
   I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this ointment.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Mar 14 10:06:09 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:06:09 +0100
Subject: Launching the Calculator
In-Reply-To: <688BF314-7329-4658-BD7B-211866299204@cox.net>
References: <688BF314-7329-4658-BD7B-211866299204@cox.net>
Message-ID: <2082E2CE-6F4E-4056-8E3C-497AF9B687B2@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Mark,

There is a calculator available in RevOnline and there was one  
included with Revolution 2.0. You might download 2.0 from  
ftp.runrev.com and pull out the stack.

Best,

Mark

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Op 14-mrt-2007, om 14:13 heeft Mark Greenberg het volgende geschreven:


>
> An alternative would be for them to create their own calculator  
> within the stack or as a substack.  They only have three weeks to  
> finish this project, so I was hoping to avoid that rout.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> 	Mark Greenberg




From geradamas at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 14 10:16:16 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:16:16 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Launching the Calculator
Message-ID: <547699.28630.qm@web37512.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just have your students "steal" my calculator stack
from:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/RRRStudents/

(in 'Files")

they can use it, abuse it, pull it apart and make it
better!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar 14 10:34:37 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:34:37 -0600
Subject: Stadalone Icons
In-Reply-To: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <B2AA37DC-0F2F-41EA-B5AA-9FC37B1462E4@byu.edu>


On Mar 13, 2007, at 11:06 PM, Karen Jones wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I am a newcomer to Revolution and the list. I am making small drill  
> standalones for my computer lab. I have looked and searched for  
> instructions on how to make the standalone app display a custom  
> made icon, but can't seem to find it. I have created the icon files  
> in PhotoShop using IconBuilder.
>
> Is there a website anyone would recomend that addresses this or  
> could someone please help me with this.

Karen,

Be sure to visit Chipp Walter's tutorial on standalone building at  
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Tutorials.htm . It contains  
a good section on creating application icons.

Several people her, including me use a PhotoShop plugin called  
IconBuilder, which gives excellent results. You should also be aware  
that on OS X there is a little quirk with Rev standalone app icons,  
in which the icon doesn't appear immediately, even when the icon has  
been properly placed into the app bundle Resources folder. What I  
always do is launch the new standalone--you'll notice that the proper  
icon does appear in the dock, even though it's not yet visible in the  
Finder. Then quit the standalone, click its icon in the Finder and  
open the Get Info window. Then click on the icon in the info window  
and press the delete key. The new icon will appear.

HTH

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar 14 10:43:00 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:43:00 +0000
Subject: open stacks gallery updates
Message-ID: <3550F645-3307-4D10-A445-0503B2533EED@widged.com>

The open stacks gallery has been updated with nice stacks spotted on  
revOnline.
<http://revolution.widged.com/stacks/>

If you would like your work to be shown there, simply send me an  
email with information about your stack. Your stack don't need to be  
on revOnline for me to link to it. It can be on your own website or I  
happily host a local copy of it.

Best,
Marielle

PS. if at any point you would like me to stop linking to one of your  
stack, let me know as well.

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education







From david at openpartnership.net  Wed Mar 14 10:43:23 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:43:23 +0100
Subject: OSX - copy and paste in altBrowser?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703140743s25662ea7n26331bed5736bca7@mail.gmail.com>

I still cannot figure out how to get copy and paste work between RunRev and
altBrowser?

Is this not possible? Or is it a case of being an OSX focus issue, whcih can
be got round with some scripting? I'd like to be able to transfer text
generated in RunRev or copied from another application to a form shown in an
altBrowser window. No go or am I missing something?


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar 14 10:53:12 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:53:12 -0600
Subject: Stadalone Icons
In-Reply-To: <B2AA37DC-0F2F-41EA-B5AA-9FC37B1462E4@byu.edu>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<B2AA37DC-0F2F-41EA-B5AA-9FC37B1462E4@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <E212AA3A-4748-4033-B3C3-C4DC85653AF3@byu.edu>


On Mar 14, 2007, at 8:34 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

>
> On Mar 13, 2007, at 11:06 PM, Karen Jones wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I am a newcomer to Revolution and the list. I am making small  
>> drill standalones for my computer lab. I have looked and searched  
>> for instructions on how to make the standalone app display a  
>> custom made icon, but can't seem to find it. I have created the  
>> icon files in PhotoShop using IconBuilder.
>>
>> Is there a website anyone would recomend that addresses this or  
>> could someone please help me with this.
>
> Karen,
>
> Be sure to visit Chipp Walter's tutorial on standalone building at  
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Tutorials.htm . It  
> contains a good section on creating application icons.
>
> Several people her, including me use a PhotoShop plugin called  
> IconBuilder, which gives excellent results. You should also be  
> aware that on OS X there is a little quirk with Rev standalone app  
> icons, in which the icon doesn't appear immediately, even when the  
> icon has been properly placed into the app bundle Resources folder.  
> What I always do is launch the new standalone--you'll notice that  
> the proper icon does appear in the dock, even though it's not yet  
> visible in the Finder. Then quit the standalone, click its icon in  
> the Finder and open the Get Info window. Then click on the icon in  
> the info window and press the delete key. The new icon will appear.

Forgot to mention that this quirk only happens on the machine you  
build the standalone on. If you copy it to another Mac the icon shows  
up immediately.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Wed Mar 14 10:54:04 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:54:04 +0100
Subject: More clipboard problems
In-Reply-To: <B2AA37DC-0F2F-41EA-B5AA-9FC37B1462E4@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <OFCB9A8FC3.F1D4AA26-ONC125729E.00509F3F-C125729E.0051DA90@deutsche-boerse.com>

Gee, i reported this in the year 2000 to MC support, again later i filed a 
bugzilla...

Pasting a path with backslashes "\\server\share-name" pastes "\\\name" in 
metacard 2.x... 

Runrev 2.8 still gets it wrong!

Except when i copy the path from rev, then it works! But no other program 
in win32 gets it wrong other than rev!

Anyone know if this will be fixed some day in the near or far future?

//test/test2 works of course... But with the backslashes, it's just not 
windows friendly...
And all paths in Win32 use backslashes of course... And i use these paths 
all day long too!

The nightmare of copy-paste in rev continues... :(


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From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar 14 10:58:21 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:58:21 +0000
Subject: Launching the Calculator
In-Reply-To: <688BF314-7329-4658-BD7B-211866299204@cox.net>
References: <688BF314-7329-4658-BD7B-211866299204@cox.net>
Message-ID: <A0357C9B-C669-4F35-9EDE-89CA909567AE@widged.com>

Hello Mark,

You will find runrev calculator stacks on the stacks gallery <http:// 
revolution.widged.com/stacks/index.php?category=widgets_ecards>,  
under calculator as well as on revOnline under IanMcK.

Best,
Marielle


On 14 Mar 2007, at 13:13, Mark Greenberg wrote:

> An alternative would be for them to create their own calculator  
> within the stack or as a substack.  They only have three weeks to  
> finish this project, so I was hoping to avoid that rout.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> 	Mark Greenberg




From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed Mar 14 11:02:10 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:02:10 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45F80E72.7050107@howsoft.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

 >

Well, for one, "mount" doesn't appear to be a valid command to
smbclient. You should try this in a shell window first, get it
working, then try it from rev. My guess is you'll also have to put
username%password info into the commandline as well. Try smbclient -?
for the available options.

----------------------------------------
This is what I reported in my post on 18th February (see the "Samba lessons needed" thread):

In the Ubuntu terminal, the following works perfectly and I get a 
listing of my Windows drive:

smbclient \\\\john\\c mount
dir
(CTRL+Z exits Samba) - QUIT works too.

So if "mount" isn't a valid command, somebody had better tell smbclient!
Possibly, smbclient -? for the available options is out of date.

---------------------------------------------------------
 >Secondly, I don't really think smbclient is something that you'd want
running as a process, unless you've got something really wild in mind.
I'm not an expert on this by any means, but my understanding is that
"open process" is for something you want running in the background, as
on a server, as a daemon for other processes to communicate with. If
you just want to grab a directory listing or file off an smb server
then try the shell() function instead.
---------------------------------------------------------
No, all I want to do is to grab a directory listing off my smb server.

---------------------------------------------------------
 >put "smbclient \\\\john\\c -Wworkgroup -Uuser%password -cdir" into \
procToDo
put shell(procToDo) into field "test"
---------------------------------------------------------
Naturally, I tried SHELL first, but couldn't get it to work. Of course, 
the fact that I am almost entirely ignorant of how to do anything 
through the terminal probably doesn't help! (It smells too much like DOS 
for my taste.) Anyway, here goes with your suggested 
experiment.................:

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Just to let you see the beauty of it, that's my drive listing. 
Congratulations!
(Try to ignor the various flavours of "shit" in the directories).
QED, and thank you very much indeed!

_________________________________
Hopefully, another technical wizard will be able to tell me whether it 
is possible or not to print Portuguese text from Rev/Linux 2.6.1. The 
question is simple enough anyway!

Jacque: It was indeed tempting to comment on the pun contained in your 
idea of trying to avoid "bugging" the Rev techies if possible, but at 
this stage of the proceedings I'm too afraid even to joke about it!

Bob





From nickp at didata.bw  Wed Mar 14 11:11:36 2007
From: nickp at didata.bw (Nic Prioleau)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:11:36 +0200
Subject: Dimensional Arrays
References: <1B735A01-F50B-4501-A2E1-0DA6479F0D45@widged.com><004e01c76628$591c9980$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
	<20070314085456899071.ac9f3886@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <00ab01c7664b$0f406fd0$480aa8c0@didata.bw>

Hi Kev,

Thanks for your feedback however, I managed to get something like this:

regNo,totalFuel,totalKM,month
B456TRF,1000,0,2
B456TRF,150,0,3
B456TRF,0,376,3
B444AAA,50,0,3
B444AAA,340,3000,3
B444AAA,0,600,3

into a variable from my selects... Could you tell me how I can achieve the 
same result as I was trying to get before as I have now eliminated the other 
arrays I had. It was too messy and because they did not have the same keys, 
it was difficult to get an accurate result.

thanks muchly
Nic

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Dimensional Arrays


> Honestly, I didn't know you could have multiple quoted strings in a key
> and have it work (learn something new every day!). However to grab your
> data you could do this:
>
> -- If you have a fixed set of 3 arrays which have the same keys:
> put "B123ABC" into tRegNo
> put "2" into tMonth
> put "" into tReport
> repeat for each line tKey in (the keys of tArray1)
>  if item 3 of tKey is "month" then
>    put tArray1[tKey] into tMonth
>    put item 2 of tKey into tRecNo  -- this is the record number (I'm
> assuming)
>    put tArray1["Data," & tRecNo & ",regNo"] into tRegNo
>
>    put tArray1["Data," & tRecNo & ",tKM"] into tKM1
>    put tArray2["Data," & tRecNo & ",tKM"] into tKM2
>    put tArray3["Data," & tRecNo & ",tKM"] into tKM3
>    put tArray1["Data," & tRecNo & ",tLitres"] into tLitres1
>    put tArray2["Data," & tRecNo & ",tLitres"] into tLitres2
>    put tArray3["Data," & tRecNo & ",tLitres"] into tLitres3
>    put "regNo" && quote & tRegNo & quote && "used" && \
>       (tLitres1+tLitres2+tLitres3) & "Ltrs and did" && \
>       (tKM1+tKM2+tKM3) && "km in month" && tMonth & \
>       CR after tReport
> end repeat
> delete char -1 of tReport -- removes trailing CR
> put tReport into field 1
>
> HTH,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Wed Mar 14 11:18:03 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:18:03 -0500
Subject: Printing Japanese text
In-Reply-To: <EFC6F368-54FD-49C4-9E99-36F2FBA0EA5C@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312134837.0aa608f0@exchange.slg.com>
	<B6A2896B-657E-47E9-8361-0512F0F5DD67@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070312150239.0ae68c50@exchange.slg.com>
	<E89725E8-7536-49F1-BC12-3868ABD2340E@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070313121206.10ec1170@exchange.slg.com>
	<ED957143-5841-45E4-9D40-9BBB4D850FCE@economy-x-talk.com>
	<294668A4-7420-4E8B-A50F-FE67DAC3EB6F@economy-x-talk.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070313152527.11220ad0@exchange.slg.com>
	<12619F44-4301-4D4E-94F7-88D9D4C2CE6D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<EFC6F368-54FD-49C4-9E99-36F2FBA0EA5C@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070314101728.12c0de20@exchange.slg.com>

The odd this is, I discovered it I printed it once, I got the black 
bars.  If I tried printing a second time, the Japanese printed fine.  Very 
strange.

I can't wait for more Unicode in Rev.

At 08:31 PM 3/13/2007, you wrote:
>It appears that the text that I was printing had the font set to
>"Font Name,Japanese" instead of "Font Name,UTF8".
>
>Peter, my guess is that there is a bug in Revolution that affects
>printing Japanese fonts.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Mark
>
>--
>
>Economy-x-Talk
>Consultancy and Software Engineering
>http://economy-x-talk.com
>http://www.salery.biz
>
>Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.
>Download at http://www.salery.biz
>
>Op 14-mrt-2007, om 1:22 heeft Mark Schonewille het volgende geschreven:
>
>>Hi Peter,
>>
>>It is not your machine! I was trying to work around a unicode bug
>>in Revolution which causes Rev to crash. I can now avoid the crash,
>>but get black bars instead.
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>
>>Op 13-mrt-2007, om 21:35 heeft Peter T. Evensen het volgende
>>geschreven:
>>
>>>Evidently it is just my Mac.  I wonder what is up with my machine;
>>>I even rebooted and everything.  I will have to try it on some
>>>other Macs here to see if I get the same thing.
>>>
>>>Thanks, everyone, for all your help.   (If anyone has any
>>>suggestions on what I should look at on my Mac...)
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 14 11:32:33 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:32:33 -0700
Subject: While this may be heresy
Message-ID: <45F81591.3000307@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
> Well, in my opinion straight out of the box they are about the same.  
> If you are used to other more traditional programming languages like  
> C/C++, Pascal or Basic then you will probably have a harder time  
> getting your head around the way that RunRev works. This is made even  
> harder since the documentation for RunRev isn't that good and because  
> there are silly problems that can bite you.
> 
> However, once you get into RunRev and start developing your own way  
> of doing things (for instance I have my own Message Manager and  
> Application Framework), then RunRev *really* starts to pay off. You  
> can get things done really quickly, I'd say probably 50% faster than  
> in  RealBasic.

I'd say that's a generally fair assessment as far as the programs 
themselves go, but regarding documentation errors and omissions it's 
worth noting that a review of their mailing list and forum archives 
shows that RealBASIC isn't immune from such things.

Given that errors and omissions are common to nearly every product 
that's ever shipped, that's not surprising nor necessarily a bad mark 
against RB.  But neither has it prevented many folks from getting real 
work done in Rev.  All languages have pitfalls and gotchas, and when 
learning any new language nothing can help more than participating in a 
forum of its experienced users.

The productivity gain of 50% seems reasonable given the amount of 
platform-specific code one is asked to write in RB, the absence of chunk 
expressions, and the generally lower-level nature of the language (see 
Osterhout, <http://www.tcl.tk/doc/scripting.html>).

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Mar 14 11:33:47 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:33:47 -0700
Subject: Ideas and Suggestions on Generating Frames for a Movie
In-Reply-To: <CFAF3C2E-6F7E-4644-9267-183128152451@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <20070312170003.D91E448901D@mail.runrev.com>
	<264d3c33740c6de82315917537ce900f@netrin.com>
	<CFAF3C2E-6F7E-4644-9267-183128152451@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4C09ACA4-3F9F-4C38-9C05-AA7A631D3458@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 14, 2007, at 5:57 AM, Ian Wood wrote:

> Your external sounds interesting, I've been messing around with  
> Trevor DeVore's QT external to do something similar but it required  
> a few hacks and is a bit unstable because of that.

Yeah, I don't have a proper handler that takes an image and adds it  
to a movie using a given fps.  One of these days...

I did create an example stack the other day that shows how you can  
use the existing API to create movies from still images at a given  
fps.  More work then it should be but it has been reliable in my  
tests so far.  It isn't ready for general consumption yet but if  
anyone wanted to take a look at it just email me.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From mark_powell at symantec.com  Wed Mar 14 11:42:07 2007
From: mark_powell at symantec.com (Mark Powell)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:42:07 -0700
Subject: Detecting Browser Page on Windows/Linux
References: <C21C4F2C.3093%developer@positivepractices.com><20070313212323855852.092be054@sonsothunder.com><E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C70401D445@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
	<20070314081837315109.9a400b3f@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C70401D467@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>

Yes, even better!  Is it up on your site? 

> Ken Ray wrote
> I have some VBScript that can work in WIndows to give you ther URL of
> all currently open web browser documents (or tabs)...
> 
> Mark Powell wrote
> Can your script send a force-refresh to a named browser window?
> (Windows OS)

> Ken Ray wrote
> Sort of - you can force a refresh to a browser window that 
> is displaying a specific (known) URL. Will that work for you?




From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed Mar 14 12:48:42 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:48:42 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45F8276A.1020001@howsoft.com>

In fact, it is not necessary to expose your password when accessing a 
network drive in Linux. I cut this out of Mark's suggested command line. 
On my network/machines, the following worked perfectly:

put "smbclient \\\\john\\c -Wmshome -cdir" into procToDo
put shell(procToDo) into field "test"

Bob


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 14 12:52:45 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:52:45 -0500
Subject: Linux questions for Jacque
In-Reply-To: <45F7415D.7000607@howsoft.com>
References: <45F7415D.7000607@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <45F8285D.6020104@hyperactivesw.com>

Bob Warren wrote:

> 1. In Rev Linux 2.6.1, can foreign symbols (with accents) be printed on 
> the printer or not?

I asked about this. It raised more questions. In general, there 
shouldn't be any problem. Portuguese is a standard western Linux font 
and it should print correctly. If you are having trouble, they'd need to 
know:

How are you printing? Are you printing the card using "open printing", 
"print", "close printing", or are you using revPrintField or revPrintText?

Does the text in the field display correctly? (I told them I assumed so.)

What is the name of the font you are using?

Are you setting the unicodeText of the field or just putting the text in 
normally?

How is the printout corrupted? When you do a print job, in what way is 
it incorrect?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 14 12:54:34 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 09:54:34 -0700
Subject: 2 dimensional Arrays
Message-ID: <45F828CA.6040002@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
> The problem is that "arrays" in RunRev are not "arrays" in the same  
> sense as in languages like C/C++ or Pascal etc. They are really look  
> up tables. 

For the benefit of newcomers here, it may be worth noting that 
associative arrays are hardly an invention of Rev's:

<http://www.google.com/search?q=associative+arrays>

So while it's true that Rev's arrays are associative rather than 
numerically indexed (and a request has been submitted to make that more 
self-evident in the docs), it's not like Rev invented some novel form of 
array.  As the 800,000 hits at that link show, associative arrays are a 
common feature of a great many languages.

The upside of associative arrays is that the syntax for using them is 
pretty much identical to how one would expect to use a 
single-dimensional numeric array, while also allowing non-numeric keys.

The downside occurs in those cases where a multi-dimensional numeric 
array is desired, which your function addresses well:

> In RunRev instead of passing an index (or indexes) to  
> retrieve the data for an entry you pass a key. You can fake the way  
> Arrays work in languages like C/C++ etc, by passing key values such  
> as "1,5", but this is actually passing a three character key of "1"  
> "," "2".
> 
> I've found that if you are using the key section in a non-trivial way  
> (like in the 2D array example) it's better to use a function that  
> returns your munged key for you, e.g. something like this:
> 
> function Get2DArrayKey theIndex1,theIndex2
> 
> return theIndex1 & "," & theIndex2
> end
> 
> and to use:
> 
> put "xxxx" into my2DArray[Get2DArrayKey(1,5) ]
> 
> or
> 
> put  my2DArray[Get2DArrayKey(1,5)] into myValue
> 
> 
> If you *ALWAYS* use this function, you will always get consistent  
> keys, otherwise you may have the problem you described where it's  
> starts to get confusing because of extra quote characters, etc.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Mar 14 13:00:28 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:00:28 -0500
Subject: Detecting Browser Page on Windows/Linux
In-Reply-To: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C70401D467@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
References: <C21C4F2C.3093%developer@positivepractices.com>
	<20070313212323855852.092be054@sonsothunder.com>
	<E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C70401D445@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
	<20070314081837315109.9a400b3f@sonsothunder.com>
	<E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C70401D467@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
Message-ID: <20070314120028618036.8b23f34a@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 08:42:07 -0700, Mark Powell wrote:

> Yes, even better!  Is it up on your site? 

Well, the 'stsDoVBS' function that executes raw VBScript is on my site 
at:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ext002.htm

(go to near the bottom of the page)

And here's the VBS code to execute:

Set objApps = CreateObject("Shell.Application")
For Each objApp in objApps.Windows
  If (objApp.Name = "Windows Internet Explorer") or 
(objApp.Name="Microsoft Internet Explorer") then
    IF objApp.LocationURL = "http://www.sonsothunder.com/home/home.htm" 
Then
      objApp.Refresh
    End If
  End If
Next 

The reason we need to test for both "Windows Internet Explorer" as well 
as "Microsoft Internet Explorer" is that in Vista it's "Windows 
<everything>", and in XP and earlier it's "Microsoft <everything>".

Have fun!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar 14 13:10:43 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:10:43 +0000
Subject: 2 dimensional Arrays
In-Reply-To: <45F828CA.6040002@fourthworld.com>
References: <45F828CA.6040002@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E3AA3052-C5CA-49A3-9398-1148AA4B72DA@looktowindward.com>


On 14 Mar 2007, at 16:54, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> The problem is that "arrays" in RunRev are not "arrays" in the  
>> same  sense as in languages like C/C++ or Pascal etc. They are  
>> really look  up tables.
>
> For the benefit of newcomers here, it may be worth noting that  
> associative arrays are hardly an invention of Rev's:

Yes, I started using them in 1970's in the SNOBOL4/SPITBOL languages,  
where they are called "tables". As far as I know this was the first  
general implementation of of this kind of "array".

All the Best
Dave



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed Mar 14 13:27:55 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:27:55 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45F8309B.90205@howsoft.com>

Sorry to pollute the UR-List with tidbits of info - I'll stop now.

In Ubuntu, as I said, if you don't specify a password in the command 
line for accessing a network drive, it still works. But note the 
"Password:" at the beginning of the report:
---------------------------------------------------------------
Password:
Domain=[JOHN] OS=[Windows 5.1] Server=[Windows 2000 LAN Manager]
  Animated GIFs                       D        0  Thu Nov  9 15:52:31 2006
  Arrows ico                          D        0  Thu Sep 21 18:40:06 2006
etc.
etc.
--------------------------------------------------------------

So now, I've been more ambitious and cut out the name of the network:

  put "smbclient \\\\john\\c -cdir" into procToDo
  put shell(procToDo) into field "test"

The result is the same as above. It works.

Just thought you might like to know.

Bob



From markgreenberg at cox.net  Wed Mar 14 14:11:24 2007
From: markgreenberg at cox.net (Mark Greenberg)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:11:24 -0700
Subject: Launching the Calculator
In-Reply-To: <20070314150206.7738648909E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070314150206.7738648909E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <12B151E9-06B8-4AC9-BEA8-8B8A30862A95@cox.net>

Marielle, Richmond, Klaus, Ken, and Luis,

Thanks for the quick and helpful solutions.  I will present these  
options to the students and let them decide.  I like the French  
calculator, but I think the students will go for the Lauch command if  
they can get it to work.  (They are working under several layers of  
security and don't have Windows permissions to do much.)  Richmond, I  
was not able to get to your calculator because the "files" link is  
only available to members of that yahoo group.

Thanks again. This list is great!

	Mark Greenberg


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed Mar 14 14:56:26 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:56:26 -0300
Subject: Linux questions for Jacque
Message-ID: <45F8455A.5060709@howsoft.com>

Thanks Jacque, please see my answers below.

Bob Warren wrote:

> > 1. In Rev Linux 2.6.1, can foreign symbols (with accents) be printed on 
> >> the printer or not?
>   
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>I asked about this. It raised more questions. In general, there 
shouldn't be any problem. Portuguese is a standard western Linux font 
and it should print correctly. If you are having trouble, they'd need to 
know:

How are you printing? Are you printing the card using "open printing", 
"print", "close printing", or are you using revPrintField or revPrintText?

-----------------------------
I am printing a card as in the following example:

on mouseUp  
  --set the printCommand to "lp %s" --(Prints to default printer over network in Ubuntu)   
  set the printCommand to "mv %s /home/bob/Desktop/output_print_file.ps" -- puts output in a file
  open printing
  print card "Card1"
  close printing  
end mouseUp


When there are no Portuguese symbols in the fields on this card, both methods (printing directly to the printer or producing a Postscript file) work OK. Also, if I double-click on the Postscript file, the program "Evince" displays the image of the card correctly in Ubuntu.

However, if the fields on my card DO contain Portuguese symbols, neither method of printing works sucessfully. If I double-click on the Postscript file, "Evince" cannot display it. (It just shows the message "Loading" and just continues trying forever.)

----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Does the text in the field display correctly? (I told them I assumed so.)

----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, it does.
But please note that I cannot type any text with accents into my card's fields in Rev. I have to paste it from another source.
I am using an Ubuntu that has been installed in English. To type letters with accents, I need to use a special keyboard sequence. This does of course work fine in programs other than Rev.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>What is the name of the font you are using?

----------------------------------------------------------------------
I was originally using the Arial font in my fields, since the stack was imported from Windows. But now I am using a simple test program, and making changes to see what happens. I have tried not specifying a font at all for the single field and 2 buttons in my test program (i.e. the default font is presumed). I have just tried defining the font as Courier for these 3 controls. The result is always the same. If there are only English characters in the field, Evince displays the image of the Postscript file. If I paste characters with accents into the field, Evince can no longer display the image of the Postscript file.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Are you setting the unicodeText of the field or just putting the text in 
normally?

----------------------------------------------------------------------

I am just putting the text in normally. After reading the Help, I tried playing around with unicodeText, but since I don't really know anything about the subject, I gave up. Nothing worked.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

>How is the printout corrupted? When you do a print job, in what way is 
it incorrect?

----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't get a printout unless I use English characters only. Then, it's perfect. I can print directly to the printer on paper, and I can produce a Postscript file which displays perfectly in the Evince program and can be printed afterwards.

If I include characters with accents in the field of my test program, nothing doing. The printer just sits there like an idiot, and the Evince program goes around in circles, failing to display the Postscript file.




From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed Mar 14 14:57:52 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:57:52 -0700
Subject: Windows Vista Free!
Message-ID: <9516D1EA-2BF5-43E9-A89F-0FEBC3B406B7@canelasoftware.com>

Rev is running a really amazing promo as most of you have probably  
seen.  Just thought I would point out that there is an option to get  
Windows Vista Free with a Revolution upgrade everyone needs to  
probably get anyways.  That is an incredible deal!  What are you  
waiting for?  Go get it!
<http://www.runrev.com/offers/vista/>


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From mlange at widged.com  Wed Mar 14 15:09:36 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:09:36 +0000
Subject: Windows Vista Free!
In-Reply-To: <9516D1EA-2BF5-43E9-A89F-0FEBC3B406B7@canelasoftware.com>
References: <9516D1EA-2BF5-43E9-A89F-0FEBC3B406B7@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <A715E1D7-39C5-4741-9337-556B501F89D3@widged.com>

And Parallels for free for mac users :-D.

Marielle

On 14 Mar 2007, at 18:57, Mark Talluto wrote:

> Rev is running a really amazing promo as most of you have probably  
> seen.  Just thought I would point out that there is an option to  
> get Windows Vista Free with a Revolution upgrade everyone needs to  
> probably get anyways.  That is an incredible deal!  What are you  
> waiting for?  Go get it!
> <http://www.runrev.com/offers/vista/>
>
>
> Mark Talluto




From geradamas at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 14 15:54:44 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:54:44 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Windows Vista Free!
Message-ID: <20070314195444.66040.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Gosh! Wow! Jolly-Hockey-Sticks!

And, Windows Vista comes with lots of hidden extras
that crop up just when you need them; they're called
Viruses, Torojans, Malware and Spyware.

For some 'funny' reason none of my Pentium IIIs 700
MHz "warhorses" can cope with Windows Vista - and,
oddly enough, that doesn't matter because they do a
wonderful job running Ubuntu.

Guess I'll just stick with my Dear "old" (i.e. 4
years) G4 Dual Mirror Door Wind-Tunnel (Hey, now
that's a groovy moniker for a computer), the PPC
Mac-Mini (I had to move quickly!) and the warhorses -
minimal maintenance both in terms of time and money.
When Apple stop support for PPC I will, either
continue with the last PPC version of the Mac OS or
swap over to a PPC version of Linux.

Here, in Bulgaria, folks are either sticking with
their pirate versions of Win 98, 2000, 2003 or XP, or
(when the police start breathing down their necks)
stumping up the $$$ for a legal version fo XP. Nobody,
but nobody, has the money to buy a PC capable of
coping with the high demands of Vista. A very few have
changed over to Linux; no doubt more will.

Please do not think I am belittling Runtime Revolution
(the company); but I am belittling the baby that spent
far too long in the womb and now suffers from all the
faults of its ancestors, plus a few more.

Certainly, were I the owner of an Intel Mac (which I
suppose I will become one of these days - not for a
while though) I would be interested in the Parallels
offer. As it is at the moment I am fairly well off
with the last Connectix version of Virtual PC running
Win98.

I believe that PARALLELS WILL NOT RUN VISTA although I
would not swear to it.

While I'm on a "rant" I will sound off about N***le
breakfast cereals:

The other day I bought a box of 'chocolate balls' (I
can't remember what they are called) that my children
eat to guarantee hyper-activity, and noticed it came
with a CD computer-game which would only function on
Windows (3 hours later, puffing and blowing, I got it
running on WINE!) Luckily my children are as daft as
their father so did not start the inevitable "I wanna
Windows box" whine - but the manipulative intent of
this kind of "freebie" is clear to anybody but the
Epsilon semi-morons.

Its been a long day and its "my time of the month"
(i.e. when I grow hairs on the palms of my hands). . .
:)

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

____________________________________________________________

A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle.
____________________________________________________________


	
	
		
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed Mar 14 16:04:55 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:04:55 -0300
Subject: Linux questions for Jacque
Message-ID: <45F85567.9030001@howsoft.com>

Jacque:

I have just made another little test program so that I can type into the 
field. My wife's Ubuntu is in Portuguese, and she has an ABNT keyboard.

Of course, when she uses any program other than Rev (Word, Text Editor), 
everything is 100%.

On her computer, if I try typing Portuguese symbols into the field of 
the test stack, I get nothing but junk (pairs of symbols). The 
characters that correspond to English ones come out OK.

If I paste Portuguese text into the test field, it displays perfectly, 
but when trying to print, the result is the same as on my computer.

Bob



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Wed Mar 14 16:13:07 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:13:07 -0700
Subject: Windows Vista Free!
In-Reply-To: <20070314195444.66040.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070314195444.66040.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56D33837-79E7-4D5C-9A5F-39F9AD7C0922@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 14, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I believe that PARALLELS WILL NOT RUN VISTA although I
> would not swear to it.

Vista Business edition runs fine in Parallels on my machine.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems - http://www.bluemangolearning.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 16:15:38 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 14:15:38 -0600
Subject: Windows Vista Free!
In-Reply-To: <20070314195444.66040.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20070314195444.66040.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F4C4C18E-434A-47B8-A3F6-20EBBA0DB5FA@gmail.com>

Parallels does support Vista, however M$'s EULA restricts  
virtualizing to only the Business and Ultimate versions.

Ah, the wonders of confusing software version structures. Isn't it  
amazing that pretty much every other vendor (At least, anyone worth  
speaking of) offers one version of their Operating System? That  
doesn't include Server Versions, of course, but anyone interested in  
actually buying a computer for day to day use isn't going to look at  
that as an option, are they?


On Mar 14, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Gosh! Wow! Jolly-Hockey-Sticks!
>
> And, Windows Vista comes with lots of hidden extras
> that crop up just when you need them; they're called
> Viruses, Torojans, Malware and Spyware.
>
> For some 'funny' reason none of my Pentium IIIs 700
> MHz "warhorses" can cope with Windows Vista - and,
> oddly enough, that doesn't matter because they do a
> wonderful job running Ubuntu.
>
> Guess I'll just stick with my Dear "old" (i.e. 4
> years) G4 Dual Mirror Door Wind-Tunnel (Hey, now
> that's a groovy moniker for a computer), the PPC
> Mac-Mini (I had to move quickly!) and the warhorses -
> minimal maintenance both in terms of time and money.
> When Apple stop support for PPC I will, either
> continue with the last PPC version of the Mac OS or
> swap over to a PPC version of Linux.
>
> Here, in Bulgaria, folks are either sticking with
> their pirate versions of Win 98, 2000, 2003 or XP, or
> (when the police start breathing down their necks)
> stumping up the $$$ for a legal version fo XP. Nobody,
> but nobody, has the money to buy a PC capable of
> coping with the high demands of Vista. A very few have
> changed over to Linux; no doubt more will.
>
> Please do not think I am belittling Runtime Revolution
> (the company); but I am belittling the baby that spent
> far too long in the womb and now suffers from all the
> faults of its ancestors, plus a few more.
>
> Certainly, were I the owner of an Intel Mac (which I
> suppose I will become one of these days - not for a
> while though) I would be interested in the Parallels
> offer. As it is at the moment I am fairly well off
> with the last Connectix version of Virtual PC running
> Win98.
>
> I believe that PARALLELS WILL NOT RUN VISTA although I
> would not swear to it.
>
> While I'm on a "rant" I will sound off about N***le
> breakfast cereals:
>
> The other day I bought a box of 'chocolate balls' (I
> can't remember what they are called) that my children
> eat to guarantee hyper-activity, and noticed it came
> with a CD computer-game which would only function on
> Windows (3 hours later, puffing and blowing, I got it
> running on WINE!) Luckily my children are as daft as
> their father so did not start the inevitable "I wanna
> Windows box" whine - but the manipulative intent of
> this kind of "freebie" is clear to anybody but the
> Epsilon semi-morons.
>
> Its been a long day and its "my time of the month"
> (i.e. when I grow hairs on the palms of my hands). . .
> :)
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development  
> Life Cycle.
> ____________________________________________________________
>
>
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From developer at positivepractices.com  Wed Mar 14 16:56:12 2007
From: developer at positivepractices.com (Joseph Martinez)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:56:12 -0700
Subject: Detecting Browser Page on Windows/Linux
In-Reply-To: <20070313212323855852.092be054@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <C21DAF7C.30E1%developer@positivepractices.com>

That's great, thanks.  I will take me a bit to wrap my brain around this but
my understanding is then that you use a rev script to activate the VBS
script that resides in a text document, and that returns a list of URLs.
Would it also return the names/titles of the open pages?

Joseph

On 3/13/07 7:23 PM, "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 12:53:00 -0700, Joseph Martinez wrote:
> 
>> Greetings,
>> 
>> I know to use AppleScript on a Mac to detect what URL page the currently
>> open browser is displaying.  Is there is a way for Windows and Linux to
>> perform this same function? Thanks,
> 
> Joseph, I have some VBScript that can work in WIndows to give you ther
> URL of all currently open web browser documents (or tabs), but at the
> moment, I don't have a way to know which one is currently displaying.
> If there's only one document open and only one web page, then I can get
> *that* if that would be useful. If so, let me know.
> 
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Wed Mar 14 16:58:32 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:58:32 -0500
Subject: Windows Vista Free!
In-Reply-To: <F4C4C18E-434A-47B8-A3F6-20EBBA0DB5FA@gmail.com>
References: <20070314195444.66040.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<F4C4C18E-434A-47B8-A3F6-20EBBA0DB5FA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070314155740.0bdcdc50@exchange.slg.com>

This discussion brought to mind:

http://homepage.mac.com/mercutio2/MacHouse/page1/page1.html

http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyimages/915.gif

At 03:15 PM 3/14/2007, you wrote:
>Parallels does support Vista, however M$'s EULA restricts
>virtualizing to only the Business and Ultimate versions.
>
>Ah, the wonders of confusing software version structures. Isn't it
>amazing that pretty much every other vendor (At least, anyone worth
>speaking of) offers one version of their Operating System? That
>doesn't include Server Versions, of course, but anyone interested in
>actually buying a computer for day to day use isn't going to look at
>that as an option, are they?
>
>
>On Mar 14, 2007, at 1:54 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>>Gosh! Wow! Jolly-Hockey-Sticks!
>>
>>And, Windows Vista comes with lots of hidden extras
>>that crop up just when you need them; they're called
>>Viruses, Torojans, Malware and Spyware.
>>
>>For some 'funny' reason none of my Pentium IIIs 700
>>MHz "warhorses" can cope with Windows Vista - and,
>>oddly enough, that doesn't matter because they do a
>>wonderful job running Ubuntu.
>>
>>Guess I'll just stick with my Dear "old" (i.e. 4
>>years) G4 Dual Mirror Door Wind-Tunnel (Hey, now
>>that's a groovy moniker for a computer), the PPC
>>Mac-Mini (I had to move quickly!) and the warhorses -
>>minimal maintenance both in terms of time and money.
>>When Apple stop support for PPC I will, either
>>continue with the last PPC version of the Mac OS or
>>swap over to a PPC version of Linux.
>>
>>Here, in Bulgaria, folks are either sticking with
>>their pirate versions of Win 98, 2000, 2003 or XP, or
>>(when the police start breathing down their necks)
>>stumping up the $$$ for a legal version fo XP. Nobody,
>>but nobody, has the money to buy a PC capable of
>>coping with the high demands of Vista. A very few have
>>changed over to Linux; no doubt more will.
>>
>>Please do not think I am belittling Runtime Revolution
>>(the company); but I am belittling the baby that spent
>>far too long in the womb and now suffers from all the
>>faults of its ancestors, plus a few more.
>>
>>Certainly, were I the owner of an Intel Mac (which I
>>suppose I will become one of these days - not for a
>>while though) I would be interested in the Parallels
>>offer. As it is at the moment I am fairly well off
>>with the last Connectix version of Virtual PC running
>>Win98.
>>
>>I believe that PARALLELS WILL NOT RUN VISTA although I
>>would not swear to it.
>>
>>While I'm on a "rant" I will sound off about N***le
>>breakfast cereals:
>>
>>The other day I bought a box of 'chocolate balls' (I
>>can't remember what they are called) that my children
>>eat to guarantee hyper-activity, and noticed it came
>>with a CD computer-game which would only function on
>>Windows (3 hours later, puffing and blowing, I got it
>>running on WINE!) Luckily my children are as daft as
>>their father so did not start the inevitable "I wanna
>>Windows box" whine - but the manipulative intent of
>>this kind of "freebie" is clear to anybody but the
>>Epsilon semi-morons.
>>
>>Its been a long day and its "my time of the month"
>>(i.e. when I grow hairs on the palms of my hands). . .
>>:)
>>
>>sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>>
>>____________________________________________________________
>>
>>A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development
>>Life Cycle.
>>____________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>___________________________________________________________
>>New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find
>>out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win
>>prizes.
>>http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk
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>>subscription preferences:
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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Wed Mar 14 17:35:50 2007
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:35:50 +1100
Subject: OSX - copy and paste in altBrowser?
In-Reply-To: <20070314150206.4D78648909B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C21EB5E6.1CA2%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

> From: David Bovill <david at openpartnership.net>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:43:23 +0100
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: OSX - copy and paste in altBrowser?
> 
> I still cannot figure out how to get copy and paste work between RunRev and
> altBrowser?
> 
> Is this not possible? Or is it a case of being an OSX focus issue, whcih can
> be got round with some scripting? I'd like to be able to transfer text
> generated in RunRev or copied from another application to a form shown in an
> altBrowser window. No go or am I missing something?

David - looks to me like this just doesn't work on OSX (works just fine
under Windows). You might be able to come up with some sort of horrible hack
that involves one or other of the altBrowser callbacks (e.g. XBrowser_click
elementID,browserID) and setting the htmlText of the browser directly but it
won't be much fun to either implement or use.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

Regards,

Terry...

-- 
Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA

61-3 8344 0187



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 14 18:11:33 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:11:33 -0700
Subject: Windows Vista Free!
Message-ID: <45F87315.4030506@fourthworld.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I believe that PARALLELS WILL NOT RUN VISTA although I
> would not swear to it.

Depends on whether you're a dreamer:
<http://www.macworld.com/2007/02/firstlooks/vistamac/index.php>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 14 18:13:51 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:13:51 -0500
Subject: Linux questions for Jacque
In-Reply-To: <45F85567.9030001@howsoft.com>
References: <45F85567.9030001@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <45F8739F.5020504@hyperactivesw.com>

Bob Warren wrote:
> Jacque:
> 
> I have just made another little test program so that I can type into the 
> field. My wife's Ubuntu is in Portuguese, and she has an ABNT keyboard.
> 
> Of course, when she uses any program other than Rev (Word, Text Editor), 
> everything is 100%.
> 
> On her computer, if I try typing Portuguese symbols into the field of 
> the test stack, I get nothing but junk (pairs of symbols). The 
> characters that correspond to English ones come out OK.
> 
> If I paste Portuguese text into the test field, it displays perfectly, 
> but when trying to print, the result is the same as on my computer.

This sounds suspiciously like a unicode issue to me. What does the 
message box tell you if you type:

   put the textfont of fld <whatever>

If the text isn't all one font, you should see "mixed". When you paste 
unicode text into a field, the textfont will change to a unicode font 
for the pasted chunk. If you can calculate it, try getting the text 
offsets for a pasted chunk and ask the message box this:

  the textfont of char <x> to <y> of fld <whatever>

What do you get back? Is it just something like "Ariel" or is two words 
separated by a comma?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Wed Mar 14 18:37:00 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:37:00 -0500
Subject: Putting mixed text into a field (Japanese + English)
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070314173445.146f1d20@exchange.slg.com>

I was having trouble putting mixed text into a field, that is, a string of 
Japanese text followed by a string of regular 8-bit text.

It works if I copy and paste, but if I use put, it either loses the 
Japanese script or converts the 8-bit into Kanji.

I tried uniEncode and setting the unicodeText of the field, and that didn't 
work.

Any suggestions?

I wound up doing a copy and paste, which isn't the optimal, but it works.

Thanks!

Peter T. Evensen
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com
314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588 



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Mar 14 18:59:39 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:59:39 -0700
Subject: Windows Vista Free!
In-Reply-To: <45F87315.4030506@fourthworld.com>
References: <45F87315.4030506@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <02bd01c7668c$7225e850$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

> > I believe that PARALLELS WILL NOT RUN VISTA although I 
> would not swear 
> > to it.
> 
> Depends on whether you're a dreamer:
> <http://www.macworld.com/2007/02/firstlooks/vistamac/index.php>


We had some discussion about this with Parallels some time ago when Vista
support was in beta. They have a very impressive lists of supported OS's now
here:

http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop/os/

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com
 



From wjm at wjm.org  Wed Mar 14 19:10:14 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:10:14 -0400
Subject: Windows Vista Free!
References: <20070314195444.66040.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <et9vcn$2ka$2@sea.gmane.org>

Richmond,

> Gosh! Wow! Jolly-Hockey-Sticks!

If you purchase Revolution Enterprise (or extend your maintenance term) I'll 
be happy to send you a free copy of Ubuntu instead! ;)

- Bill 





From wjm at wjm.org  Wed Mar 14 19:07:50 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:07:50 -0400
Subject: Windows Vista Free!
References: <20070314195444.66040.qmail@web37503.mail.mud.yahoo.com><F4C4C18E-434A-47B8-A3F6-20EBBA0DB5FA@gmail.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070314155740.0bdcdc50@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <et9vcm$2ka$1@sea.gmane.org>

And here I thought

"Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate UPGRADE Limited Numbered Signature 
Edition"

was a joke!


"Peter T. Evensen" <pevensen at siboneylg.com> wrote 
in message news:6.2.1.2.2.20070314155740.0bdcdc50 at exchange.slg.com...
> This discussion brought to mind:
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/mercutio2/MacHouse/page1/page1.html
>
> http://www.joyoftech.com/joyoftech/joyimages/915.gif





From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar 14 20:10:49 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:10:49 -0600
Subject: PNG format: 8-bit or 24?
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703141710y3ac81c1bjbb1400e2db977fc@mail.gmail.com>

I seem to remember going around this awhile back and thought someone might
remember if there is a solution.

If I create a grayscale (or any image) and it has fewer than 257 colors in
it (by default grayscale images do), is there a way I can force the export
image command to save it as 24-bit and not 8-bit? For some reason, the
export image uses 8-bit when exporting images with fewer than 257 colors,
and 24-bit for images greater than 256.

Anyone have a header rewrite or other hack to force the save in 24?

TIA,
Chipp


From robmann at gp-racing.com  Wed Mar 14 20:46:03 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:46:03 -0400
Subject: getting cgi running on linux server
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAKkcYtF7YyBBgsvI+jOEHNYBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

I am trying to get cgi's working on my web server

I created the hello.cgi from Jacque's article using metapad which allows me
to set the correct line endings for unix. 

Jacque sent me a link to download the linux engine I then used winzip to
extract I only got one file so I tried powerarchiver and that also gave me
one file should I be getting more than one file from the
<http://downloads.runrev.com/revolution/distributions/2.5.1/linux.tgz>

I put this file in the cgi-bin changed the permissions but I still get a 500
error

I am working on a windows xp machine locally

 

Anyone have any ideas as to shat I need to do to get this working?

 

Thanks

Rob



From linux at flippingdades.com  Wed Mar 14 21:09:20 2007
From: linux at flippingdades.com (Don Jungk)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 19:09:20 -0600
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <45F74C92.8020505@howsoft.com>
References: <45F74C92.8020505@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <200703141909.20567.linux@flippingdades.com>

On Tuesday 13 March 2007 7:14 pm, Bob Warren wrote:
> --------------------------
> %!PS-Adobe-3.0

> /threequarters /questiondown /Agrave /Aacute /Acircumflex /Atilde
> /Adieresis /Aring /AE /Ccedilla /Egrave /Eacute /Ecircumflex /Edieresis
> /Igrave /Iacute /Icircumflex /Idieresis /Eth /Ntilde /Ograve /Oacute
> /Ocircumflex /Otilde /Odieresis /multiply /Oslash /Ugrave /Uacute
> /Ucircumflex /Udieresis /Yacute /Thorn /germandbls /agrave /aacute
> /acircumflex /atilde /adieresis /aring /ae /ccedilla /egrave /eacute
> /ecircumflex /edieresis /igrave /iacute /icircumflex /idieresis /eth
> /ntilde /ograve /oacute /ocircumflex /otilde /odieresis /divide /oslash
> /ugrave /uacute /ucircumflex /udieresis /yacute /thorn /ydieresis ] def

>
> 14 /_Helvetica-Bold setFont
> 0 0 0 setrgbcolor

> --------------------------

> However, if there IS a workaround, or my impression is incorrect, I would
> like to know about it.
>
> Bob
Hi Bob,
OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears they are just 
in the wrong place. This code that I will paste in here is something I use 
when I have to re-encode a Macintosh font to work on my Linux computer. This 
should be put after all of the original encoding because it is going to 
change it. This list includes all of the characters that I need for Spanish. 
Put this in one of your PS files and see if it makes the letters ?. ?, ?, ?, 
?, ?, ? appear correctly. If it does, we can add the others that you need.

****************************************
%Start Font Re-encoding Procedure
/reencsmalldict 12 dict def
/ReEncodeSmall
{ reencsmalldict begin
/newcodesandnames exch def
/newfontname exch def
/basefontname exch def
/basefontdict basefontname findfont def
/newfont basefontdict maxlength dict def
basefontdict
{ exch dup/FID ne
{ dup /Encoding eq
{ exch dup length array copy
newfont 3 1 roll put }
{ exch newfont 3 1 roll put }
ifelse
}
{ pop pop }
ifelse
} forall
newfont /FontName newfontname put
newcodesandnames aload pop
newcodesandnames length 2 idiv
{ newfont /Encoding get 3 1 roll put}
repeat
newfontname newfont definefont pop
end
} def
/spanvec[
8#341 /iacute
8#351 /eacute
8#355 /iacute
8#363 /oacute
8#372 /uacute
8#374 /udieresis
8#301 /Aacute
8#311 /Eacute
8#315 /Iacute
8#323 /Oacute
8#332 /Uacute
8#334 /Udieresis
8#361 /ntilde
8#321 /Ntilde
] def
%End Font Re-encoding Procedure
************************

After you have defined the re-encoding procedure, you have to apply it. This 
is what i use to re-encode Helvetica, Times and Courier in one of mine:

*********
%start Font Re-encoding
/Helvetica /Helvetica-Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
/Helvetica-Bold /Helvetica-Bold-Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
/Helvetica-Italic /Helvetica-Italic-Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
/Times-Roman /Times-Roman-Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
/Times-Bold /Times-Bold-Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
/Times-Italic /Times-Italic-Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
/Courier /Courier.Span spanvec
ReEncodeSmall
%End Font Re-encoding
***************

The last step is to change the line that names the font in the code. It is 
usually a line like:

/Helvetica findfont 14 setfont

But I see you have "14 /_Helvetica-Bold setfont" I think this means they have 
defined a procedure earlier for the findfont step. Probably you can just 
change the word Helvetica-Bold to Helvetica-Bold-Span

The suffix "-Span" is what I named my newly encoded font. You just add it to 
what ever font you are going to change.

I hope some of this works for you,

Don


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Mar 14 21:39:10 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:39:10 -0700
Subject: PNG format: 8-bit or 24?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210703141710y3ac81c1bjbb1400e2db977fc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C21DF1CE.213F7%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Chipp Walters wrote:

> If I create a grayscale (or any image) and it has fewer than 257 colors in
> it (by default grayscale images do), is there a way I can force the export
> image command to save it as 24-bit and not 8-bit? For some reason, the
> export image uses 8-bit when exporting images with fewer than 257 colors,
> and 24-bit for images greater than 256.
> 
> Anyone have a header rewrite or other hack to force the save in 24?

Just a thought: what if you added a bogus alpha channel (alphaData) to the
image?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com




From bvg at mac.com  Wed Mar 14 21:47:43 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 02:47:43 +0100
Subject: getting cgi running on linux server
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAKkcYtF7YyBBgsvI+jOEHNYBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAKkcYtF7YyBBgsvI+jOEHNYBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <e9a61c62798f09e8ae94c4864b38c97d@mac.com>

Hi Robert

You might try to check some of these things:

1. Does the Server/Host allow the use of third party CGI engines?
2. Does your Hello.cgi file also have execute permissions?
3. Is the first line of your Hello.cgi text file correct? (Should be 
"#!something" if your executable's name is "something")
4. The link you mentioned creates a tar file, which is a way to allow 
multiple files inside one tgz (unlike zip, which can contain many 
files). You need a program to untar the files. However, that is the 
full Linux distribution, and you only want the engine, so I would 
suggest you check out the following link:
ftp://ftp.runrev.com/pub/revolution/downloads/engines
Some engines won't work, if i remember correctly the 2.5.1 version did 
run for me when i tried it a long time ago. So I would suggest you try 
that one first.

I think these should keep you covered. As for me, this reminds me once 
again of the glaring lack of proper documentation/ressources by RunRev 
regarding CGI scripting.
I wrote a short explanation of CGI's myself, of course it can't match 
Jacque's article, but if you want to read it, you can find it here:
http://bjoernke.com/runrev/cgi.php
In addition to the content on her companies webpage, there's also three 
newsletter entries about CGI's by Jacqueline:
http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/july/issue4/newsletter2.html
http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/july/issue5/newsletter2.html
http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/august/issue6/newsletter2.html

Have a nice Revolution
Bj?rnke

On Mar 15 2007, at 01:46, Robert Mann wrote:

> I am trying to get cgi's working on my web server
>
> I created the hello.cgi from Jacque's article using metapad which 
> allows me
> to set the correct line endings for unix.
>
> Jacque sent me a link to download the linux engine I then used winzip 
> to
> extract I only got one file so I tried powerarchiver and that also 
> gave me
> one file should I be getting more than one file from the
> <http://downloads.runrev.com/revolution/distributions/2.5.1/linux.tgz>
>
> I put this file in the cgi-bin changed the permissions but I still get 
> a 500
> error
>
> I am working on a windows xp machine locally
>
>
>
> Anyone have any ideas as to shat I need to do to get this working?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
>
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>



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 14 21:57:11 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:57:11 -0500
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <200703141909.20567.linux@flippingdades.com>
References: <45F74C92.8020505@howsoft.com>
	<200703141909.20567.linux@flippingdades.com>
Message-ID: <45F8A7F7.7000703@hyperactivesw.com>

Don Jungk wrote:

> Hi Bob,
> OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears they are just 
> in the wrong place. This code that I will paste in here is something I use 
> when I have to re-encode a Macintosh font to work on my Linux computer. This 
> should be put after all of the original encoding because it is going to 
> change it. 

<snip>

Wow. That's just...wow. The level of expertise on this list never ceases 
to amaze me.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 22:39:06 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:39:06 +1000
Subject: getting cgi running on linux server
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAKkcYtF7YyBBgsvI+jOEHNYBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAKkcYtF7YyBBgsvI+jOEHNYBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703141939v7501e67cvf04f82c4862f6068@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/15/07, Robert Mann <robmann at gp-racing.com> wrote:
> I am trying to get cgi's working on my web server
>
> I created the hello.cgi from Jacque's article using metapad which allows me
> to set the correct line endings for unix.
>
> Jacque sent me a link to download the linux engine I then used winzip to
> extract I only got one file so I tried powerarchiver and that also gave me
> one file should I be getting more than one file from the
> <http://downloads.runrev.com/revolution/distributions/2.5.1/linux.tgz>
>
> I put this file in the cgi-bin changed the permissions but I still get a 500
> error
>
> I am working on a windows xp machine locally

To add to Bj?rnke's excellent advice, the engines that work with CGI
use the old stack file format, so make sure you save your cgi stacks
using the legacy save option.

Cheers,
Sarah


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 22:40:16 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:40:16 +1000
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <45F8A7F7.7000703@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45F74C92.8020505@howsoft.com>
	<200703141909.20567.linux@flippingdades.com>
	<45F8A7F7.7000703@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703141940l1fc57ccap188eba73d46f8579@mail.gmail.com>

> > OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears they are just
> > in the wrong place. This code that I will paste in here is something I use
> > when I have to re-encode a Macintosh font to work on my Linux computer. This
> > should be put after all of the original encoding because it is going to
> > change it.
>
> <snip>
>
> Wow. That's just...wow. The level of expertise on this list never ceases
> to amaze me.
>

I'm sure you were just about to suggest that Jacque :-)


From supote.songthammawat at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 22:45:24 2007
From: supote.songthammawat at gmail.com (supote songthammawat)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:45:24 +0700
Subject: Thank for suggest to build website by runrev.
Message-ID: <680dfa960703141945r456c8235jce02e0ebc7edc9c@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Marielle Lange,

         Thank so much for suggestion. If I have problem about runrev I will
ask u again. Bye Bye.

Best,
Supote

On 3/14/07, Marielle Lange <mlange at widged.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Supote,
>
> A few tutorials on building CGI's with revolution have appeared in
> runrev's newsletters:
>
> Part 1. <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/july/issue4/newsletter2.html>
> Part 2. <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/july/issue5/newsletter2.html>
> Part 3. <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/august/issue6/
> newsletter2.html>
> Part 4. <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/august/issue7/newsletter2.php>
> Part 5. <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/august/issue8/newsletter2.php>
> Part 6. <http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/september/issue9/
> newsletter2.php>
>
> Best,
> Marielle
>
> On 14 Mar 2007, at 09:41, supote songthammawat wrote:
>
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> >     I want to know runrev v.2.5.1 can build website as PHP, Html.
> > Please tell or suggest me. And if can do how to build website by
> > use runrev?
> >
> >    Thank you.
> >
> > Best Regard,
> > Supote
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 15 00:48:00 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:48:00 -0800
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <45F8276A.1020001@howsoft.com>
References: <45F8276A.1020001@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <751154409.20070314204800@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 8:48:42 AM, you wrote:

> In fact, it is not necessary to expose your password when accessing a
> network drive in Linux. I cut this out of Mark's suggested command line.
> On my network/machines, the following worked perfectly:

> put "smbclient \\\\john\\c -Wmshome -cdir" into procToDo
> put shell(procToDo) into field "test"

That will only work if the username of the loggedin user (environment
variable $USER) matches a valid username on the windows computer (and
workgroup if there's a server on the network). And smbclient should
ask you for a password if you don't supply one on the command line,
even if none is required.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 15 00:53:03 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:53:03 -0800
Subject: 2 dimensional Arrays
In-Reply-To: <45F828CA.6040002@fourthworld.com>
References: <45F828CA.6040002@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1631457435.20070314205303@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 8:54:34 AM, you wrote:

> So while it's true that Rev's arrays are associative rather than
> numerically indexed (and a request has been submitted to make that more
> self-evident in the docs), it's not like Rev invented some novel form of
> array.  As the 800,000 hits at that link show, associative arrays are a
> common feature of a great many languages.

Aw, that's nothin' - I got 2,360,000 hits from Google looking up
Hashtable, which is another way of saying "associative arrray".

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 15 00:55:05 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 20:55:05 -0800
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <45F80E72.7050107@howsoft.com>
References: <45F80E72.7050107@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <1671578790.20070314205505@ahsoftware.net>

Bob-

Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 7:02:10 AM, you wrote:

> So if "mount" isn't a valid command, somebody had better tell smbclient!
> Possibly, smbclient -? for the available options is out of date.

Well, smbclient on my Ubuntu installation happily ignores "mount" as
well. Or "scrabble". Or any other non-option directive. Were you
trying to perform an smbmount at the same time as your smbclient call?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 15 00:49:34 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:49:34 -0500
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703141940l1fc57ccap188eba73d46f8579@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45F74C92.8020505@howsoft.com>	<200703141909.20567.linux@flippingdades.com>	<45F8A7F7.7000703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860703141940l1fc57ccap188eba73d46f8579@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45F8D05E.6050306@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>> > OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears 
>> they are just
>> > in the wrong place. This code that I will paste in here is something 
>> I use
>> > when I have to re-encode a Macintosh font to work on my Linux 
>> computer. This
>> > should be put after all of the original encoding because it is going to
>> > change it.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> Wow. That's just...wow. The level of expertise on this list never ceases
>> to amaze me.
>>
> 
> I'm sure you were just about to suggest that Jacque :-)

Um, sure. Right after I finished reading up on postscript, and just 
before I start studying neurosurgery. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 15 03:02:45 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:02:45 -0800
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <45F8A7F7.7000703@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45F74C92.8020505@howsoft.com>
	<200703141909.20567.linux@flippingdades.com>
	<45F8A7F7.7000703@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <139238704.20070314230245@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 5:57:11 PM, you wrote:

> Wow. That's just...wow. The level of expertise on this list never ceases
> to amaze me.

...my thoughts exactly...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 15 02:05:36 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:05:36 -0500
Subject: Detecting Browser Page on Windows/Linux
In-Reply-To: <C21DAF7C.30E1%developer@positivepractices.com>
References: <C21DAF7C.30E1%developer@positivepractices.com>
Message-ID: <20070315010536352187.7cc42eca@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:56:12 -0700, Joseph Martinez wrote:

> That's great, thanks.  I will take me a bit to wrap my brain around this but
> my understanding is then that you use a rev script to activate the VBS
> script that resides in a text document, and that returns a list of URLs.
> Would it also return the names/titles of the open pages?

Sure!

Here's the VBS:

Set objApps = CreateObject("Shell.Application")
tReturnVal = ""
For Each objApp in objApps.Windows
  If (objApp.Name = "Windows Internet Explorer") or 
(objApp.Name="Microsoft Internet Explorer") then
    If objApp.LocationURL <> "" Then
      If tReturnVal = "" Then
         tReturnVal = objApp.LocationName
      Else
         tReturnVal = tReturnVal & vbCrLf & objApp.LocationName
      End If
    End If
  End If
Next
WScript.Echo tReturnVal

After you call it using my tip, the returned value from the function 
stsDoVBS() will contain your data...

Enjoy!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 15 02:11:11 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:11:11 -0500
Subject: Dimensional Arrays
In-Reply-To: <00ab01c7664b$0f406fd0$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
References: <1B735A01-F50B-4501-A2E1-0DA6479F0D45@widged.com>
	<004e01c76628$591c9980$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
	<20070314085456899071.ac9f3886@sonsothunder.com>
	<00ab01c7664b$0f406fd0$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
Message-ID: <20070315011111541826.b980395c@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:11:36 +0200, Nic Prioleau wrote:

> Hi Kev,
> 
> Thanks for your feedback however, I managed to get something like this:
> 
> regNo,totalFuel,totalKM,month
> B456TRF,1000,0,2
> B456TRF,150,0,3
> B456TRF,0,376,3
> B444AAA,50,0,3
> B444AAA,340,3000,3
> B444AAA,0,600,3
> 
> into a variable from my selects... Could you tell me how I can 
> achieve the same result as I was trying to get before as I have now 
> eliminated the other arrays I had. It was too messy and because they 
> did not have the same keys, it was difficult to get an accurate 
> result.

Basically the same thing, but it's actually easier in this case - you 
can take the variable and filter on the regNo (put an asterisk after 
the regno so there'll be a match):

  filter tData with "B444AAA*"

And then loop through the resulting filtered lines, extract the items 
you're looking for an add them up:

put 0 into tLitres
put 0 into tKMs
repeat for each line tLine in tData
  add (item 2 of tLine) to tLitres
  add (item 3 of tLine) to tKMs
end repeat

HTH,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Mar 15 03:13:39 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:13:39 +0200 (FLE Standard Time)
Subject: Putting mixed text into a field (Japanese + English)
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20070314173445.146f1d20@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <45F8F222.000001.02348@MAZYTIS>

OK. Can anyone explain why the Unicode/National characters stuff works with
copy/paste and doesn't otherwise (it's exactly the same behavior with
characters of my native Language)? Would it work with clipboarddata and
copy/paste if implemented in script. Then what should be copied and what
pasted ? As a few people on this list keep noticing - some languages fail to
print correctly to the field using keyboard, but works fine if printed
outside Revolution (e.g. notepad, whatever...) and then pasted into the
field. There is something in it that holds the "secret solution" of this
problem, but what ?.. 
 
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Peter T. Evensen 
Date: 03/15/07 01:03:53 
To: use-revolution-lists.runrev.com 
Subject: Putting mixed text into a field (Japanese + English) 
 
I was having trouble putting mixed text into a field, that is, a string of 
Japanese text followed by a string of regular 8-bit text. 
 
It works if I copy and paste, but if I use put, it either loses the 
Japanese script or converts the 8-bit into Kanji. 
 
I tried uniEncode and setting the unicodeText of the field, and that didn't 
work. 
 
Any suggestions? 
 
I wound up doing a copy and paste, which isn't the optimal, but it works. 
 
Thanks! 
 
Peter T. Evensen 
http://www.PetersRoadToHealth.com 
314-629-5248 or 888-682-4588 
 
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 04:15:12 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 01:15:12 -0700
Subject: Dimensional Arrays
In-Reply-To: <20070315011111541826.b980395c@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <C21E4EA0.43FB9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

A little refinement can get you tallys and averages for reporting:

Ken's example with the following added:
 
get tData
filter it with ("B444AAA,*,*,2" -- only month 2
put sumFuelKM(it, collectedValues) into collectedValues
-------------------------------------

put  "B444AAA" into tRegNo
put 2 into tMonth
get tData
filter it with ( tRegNo&",*,*, "& tMonth) -- only month 2
put sumFuelKM(it, collectedValues) into collectedValues
--see the sumFuelKM function below

get line 1 of collectedValues
put sum(it) into tTotalLiters
put (tTotalLitres/the number of items init) into tAvgLitres

get line 2 of collectedValues
put sum(it) into tTotalKMs
put ( tTotalKMs/the number of items init) into tAvgKMs

get tTotalLitres && tAvgLitres && tTotalKMs && tAvgKMs
put it into line tMonth

--> repeat for each month, then
put empty into collectedValues
put 3 into tMonth
get tData
filter it with ( tRegNo&",*,*, "& tMonth)  -- only month 3
put sumFuelKM(it, collectedValues) into collectedValues

--------------------

function sumFuelKM pListOfRegNos, collectedValues
   repeat for each line tLine in pListOfRegNos
     put comma & tLiters after line 1 of collectedValues
     put comma & tKMs after line 2 of collectedValues
   end repeat
   return ( collectedValues)
 end sumFuelKM 
-----------
** caution **
get tData
filter it with "B444AAA,*,*,1*" -- month 1, 10, 11, 12

Sounds like you are headed for report building and cross-tabulation :-)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/14/07 11:11 PM, "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:11:36 +0200, Nic Prioleau wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kev,
>> 
>> Thanks for your feedback however, I managed to get something like this:
>> 
>> regNo,totalFuel,totalKM,month
>> B456TRF,1000,0,2
>> B456TRF,150,0,3
>> B456TRF,0,376,3
>> B444AAA,50,0,3
>> B444AAA,340,3000,3
>> B444AAA,0,600,3
>> 
>> into a variable from my selects... Could you tell me how I can
>> achieve the same result as I was trying to get before as I have now
>> eliminated the other arrays I had. It was too messy and because they
>> did not have the same keys, it was difficult to get an accurate
>> result.
> 
> Basically the same thing, but it's actually easier in this case - you
> can take the variable and filter on the regNo (put an asterisk after
> the regno so there'll be a match):
> 
>   filter tData with "B444AAA*"
> 
> And then loop through the resulting filtered lines, extract the items
> you're looking for an add them up:
> 
> put 0 into tLitres
> put 0 into tKMs
> repeat for each line tLine in tData
>   add (item 2 of tLine) to tLitres
>   add (item 3 of tLine) to tKMs
> end repeat
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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From nickp at didata.bw  Thu Mar 15 05:26:21 2007
From: nickp at didata.bw (Nic Prioleau)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:26:21 +0200
Subject: Dimensional Arrays
References: <C21E4EA0.43FB9%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <016b01c766e3$fe710ea0$480aa8c0@didata.bw>

Ah thanks Ken & Jim, got it work just perfectly with your help... it always 
looks so simple when someone else does it!!!

Much appreciated!!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
To: "How to use Revolution" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Dimensional Arrays


>A little refinement can get you tallys and averages for reporting:
>
> Ken's example with the following added:
>
> get tData
> filter it with ("B444AAA,*,*,2" -- only month 2
> put sumFuelKM(it, collectedValues) into collectedValues
> -------------------------------------
>
> put  "B444AAA" into tRegNo
> put 2 into tMonth
> get tData
> filter it with ( tRegNo&",*,*, "& tMonth) -- only month 2
> put sumFuelKM(it, collectedValues) into collectedValues
> --see the sumFuelKM function below
>
> get line 1 of collectedValues
> put sum(it) into tTotalLiters
> put (tTotalLitres/the number of items init) into tAvgLitres
>
> get line 2 of collectedValues
> put sum(it) into tTotalKMs
> put ( tTotalKMs/the number of items init) into tAvgKMs
>
> get tTotalLitres && tAvgLitres && tTotalKMs && tAvgKMs
> put it into line tMonth
>
> --> repeat for each month, then
> put empty into collectedValues
> put 3 into tMonth
> get tData
> filter it with ( tRegNo&",*,*, "& tMonth)  -- only month 3
> put sumFuelKM(it, collectedValues) into collectedValues
>
> --------------------
>
> function sumFuelKM pListOfRegNos, collectedValues
>   repeat for each line tLine in pListOfRegNos
>     put comma & tLiters after line 1 of collectedValues
>     put comma & tKMs after line 2 of collectedValues
>   end repeat
>   return ( collectedValues)
> end sumFuelKM
> -----------
> ** caution **
> get tData
> filter it with "B444AAA,*,*,1*" -- month 1, 10, 11, 12
>
> Sounds like you are headed for report building and cross-tabulation :-)
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
> On 3/14/07 11:11 PM, "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:11:36 +0200, Nic Prioleau wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kev,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your feedback however, I managed to get something like this:
>>>
>>> regNo,totalFuel,totalKM,month
>>> B456TRF,1000,0,2
>>> B456TRF,150,0,3
>>> B456TRF,0,376,3
>>> B444AAA,50,0,3
>>> B444AAA,340,3000,3
>>> B444AAA,0,600,3
>>>
>>> into a variable from my selects... Could you tell me how I can
>>> achieve the same result as I was trying to get before as I have now
>>> eliminated the other arrays I had. It was too messy and because they
>>> did not have the same keys, it was difficult to get an accurate
>>> result.
>>
>> Basically the same thing, but it's actually easier in this case - you
>> can take the variable and filter on the regNo (put an asterisk after
>> the regno so there'll be a match):
>>
>>   filter tData with "B444AAA*"
>>
>> And then loop through the resulting filtered lines, extract the items
>> you're looking for an add them up:
>>
>> put 0 into tLitres
>> put 0 into tKMs
>> repeat for each line tLine in tData
>>   add (item 2 of tLine) to tLitres
>>   add (item 3 of tLine) to tKMs
>> end repeat
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> Ken Ray
>> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
>> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
>> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>> subscription
>> preferences:
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>
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From martinblackman at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 05:32:42 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:32:42 +0900
Subject: Printing and previewing
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210703041557k5011b0e6r1c9a5690d95f0df0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CC957D5-62E5-4EFE-B34E-DA40A735EA81@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210703041557k5011b0e6r1c9a5690d95f0df0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70703150232q26a55ff4x55383b187bb71015@mail.gmail.com>

I have been fooling around with this idea using another of the handy
tips on Sons of Thunder's Rev page,
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/imag007.htm
 but am running in to an error with this line:
set the imagepixmapid of last image to (the pixmapid of stack pStackPath)
I get a 'cant set this property' error in Rev 2.7 & 2.8 on Win XP.
The docs say that pixmapID is not supported in 2.7.  Are you keeping
with 2.6 for your screen captures Chipp ?


On 05/03/07, Chipp Walters <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
> I use pretty much the same technique, except that I typically capture
> the report stack window full size off screen, resize it 50% and save
> it as an accurate preview image, which can then be displayed in my own
> Print Preview window.
> _______________________________________________


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 15 05:36:56 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 03:36:56 -0600
Subject: Printing and previewing
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70703150232q26a55ff4x55383b187bb71015@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CC957D5-62E5-4EFE-B34E-DA40A735EA81@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210703041557k5011b0e6r1c9a5690d95f0df0@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150232q26a55ff4x55383b187bb71015@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703150236q5330ab8fi25c57e147e73eb35@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Martin,

Yep, I'm using 2.6. pixMapID doesn't work in 2.7. I need to rewrite that
part of my code. You might be able to try export image and see if it doesn't
work with offscreen images in 2.7...I seem to think that might work.

-Chipp


From signe.sanne at roman.uib.no  Thu Mar 15 06:23:45 2007
From: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:23:45 +0100
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
Message-ID: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no>

Hello to the list

After having used MetaCard since 1989 I'm now retiring from my job  
and there is no one to follow up my work.  Both I and the institute  
are worried about further usage of the educational programs I have  
developed for various foreign languages at our University. Many of  
the programs are purely textual, whereas some make use of QuickTime  
(only on Mac) and Microsoft Multimedia Tools for sound and graphic  
files.

So far I have used MetaCard and engine 2.6.6. The programs make use  
of a portal stack (thanks to Sivakatirswami) which downloads/opens  
the various educational programs. This downloading is done by http.

My questions to the group:
If the institute and the students are happy with the programs as  
they  are with no urgent need to change anything,  for how many years  
can we count on their functioning? 5? 10?

Should I convert them all to latest version of Revolution? Would this  
secure a longer life for them?

Can we  count on a contiuous existence of QuickTime and Microsoft  
Multimedia Tools when new systems arrive?

I would be happy to hear your opions.

Signe Marie Sanne






From robmann at gp-racing.com  Thu Mar 15 06:27:44 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 06:27:44 -0400
Subject: getting cgi running on linux server
In-Reply-To: <e9a61c62798f09e8ae94c4864b38c97d@mac.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAJhDCd2p209MqyvHHiU6xW8BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

Thanks so much for all the help from everyone on this, two things I had
wrong needed the Linux engine only, and then I needed to change the first
line of code to #!Linux not #!Revolution 
 
Now off to try and get my stack working as a cgi

Thanks
Rob




From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 15 07:10:07 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:10:07 +0000
Subject: 2 dimensional Arrays
In-Reply-To: <1631457435.20070314205303@ahsoftware.net>
References: <45F828CA.6040002@fourthworld.com>
	<1631457435.20070314205303@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <F3E436E8-459D-4F61-A5A5-725F56414039@looktowindward.com>


On 15 Mar 2007, at 04:53, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Richard-
>
> Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 8:54:34 AM, you wrote:
>
>> So while it's true that Rev's arrays are associative rather than
>> numerically indexed (and a request has been submitted to make that  
>> more
>> self-evident in the docs), it's not like Rev invented some novel  
>> form of
>> array.  As the 800,000 hits at that link show, associative arrays  
>> are a
>> common feature of a great many languages.
>
> Aw, that's nothin' - I got 2,360,000 hits from Google looking up
> Hashtable, which is another way of saying "associative arrray".

Yes, it's really all down to implementation. For instance SNOBOL4/ 
SPITBOL implements Both Arrays and Associative Arrays (called tables)  
as so:

Both "[]" and "<>" can be used to hold the array index or table key.  
By convention "[]" is used for Arrays and "<>" is used for tables.

A Table (Associative Array) is setup as so:

   myTable = table(100,50)

Which creates a table with 100 pre-allocated entries and when this is  
full, will extend the table by 50 entries.

A table is accessed as so:

   myValue = myTable<"key">

  myTable<"key"> = myValue


An Array (Bounded Index Array) is setup as so:

   myArray = array("-100:100,200:900")

Which creates a 2D array with indexes 200 entries in X (addressed as  
-100 to +100) and 700 entries in Y (addresses as +200 to +900).

An Array is accessed as so:

  myValue = myArray[-7,489)

myArray[-7,489) = myValue

If an attempt is made to access an out of bounds item a run-time  
error occurs (an exception is thrown).

There are functions to convert between Arrays and Tables, such as:

myArray = convert(myTable,"array")   Which creates a 2D array from  
myTable

myTable = convert(myArray,"table")   Which creates a Table from the  
first two dimensions of an array.

There are more specialized functions too, such as:

myArrayA = sort(myArrayB,index)  Which sorts an array into another  
array using the dimension specified by index as the sort field.

myArray = sort(myTable,index) Which sorts a table into an array using  
either the key or the data field as the sort field.

This allows both data types to co-exist and work together and believe  
me it's Super-Powerful!

If Index type arrays were implemented in RunRev, I'm not sure how the  
syntax would work, how would the compiler/interpreter know that:

myArray[1,2] didn't mean key "1,2" or vice versa, also how would the  
bounds of the array be checked?

All the Best
Dave














From martinblackman at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 07:31:31 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:31:31 +0900
Subject: Printing and previewing
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210703150236q5330ab8fi25c57e147e73eb35@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CC957D5-62E5-4EFE-B34E-DA40A735EA81@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210703041557k5011b0e6r1c9a5690d95f0df0@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150232q26a55ff4x55383b187bb71015@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210703150236q5330ab8fi25c57e147e73eb35@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70703150431i313289abq780d52b49039e88b@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately when the stack is offscreen I get the following error
with export snapshot:
export: no image selected, or image not open

> ... You might be able to try export image and see if it doesn't
> work with offscreen images in 2.7...I seem to think that might work.
>


From mark_powell at symantec.com  Thu Mar 15 07:34:57 2007
From: mark_powell at symantec.com (Mark Powell)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 04:34:57 -0700
Subject: Detecting Browser Page on Windows/Linux
References: <C21DAF7C.30E1%developer@positivepractices.com>
	<20070315010536352187.7cc42eca@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C7040718FB@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>


  If (objApp.Name = "Windows Internet Explorer") or
(objApp.Name="Microsoft Internet Explorer") then


Hi Ken:

Does this signify that the VB will not work with browsers other than IE?

Mark

 


From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar 15 07:36:44 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:36:44 +0100
Subject: Printing and previewing
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70703150431i313289abq780d52b49039e88b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CC957D5-62E5-4EFE-B34E-DA40A735EA81@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210703041557k5011b0e6r1c9a5690d95f0df0@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150232q26a55ff4x55383b187bb71015@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210703150236q5330ab8fi25c57e147e73eb35@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150431i313289abq780d52b49039e88b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E7E00E4E-B44D-475F-8BC5-B421E742E538@major-k.de>

Hi Matrin,

> Unfortunately when the stack is offscreen I get the following error
> with export snapshot:
> export: no image selected, or image not open

sounds like a syntax problem. Could you post your code?

>> ... You might be able to try export image and see if it doesn't
>> work with offscreen images in 2.7...I seem to think that might work.

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 15 07:59:10 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:59:10 +0000
Subject: Passing by Reference?
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAJhDCd2p209MqyvHHiU6xW8BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAJhDCd2p209MqyvHHiU6xW8BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <D85845FE-3D2C-4DB2-BE4C-348D63F4220D@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Please take a look at the function below. Basically I was trying to  
make a flexible utility function that returned two values either as a  
List in the return value or as individual (X, Y or X and Y) values.

It could then used as so:

  get PDFGetXY(theDocumentRef,myXValue,myYValue)

or

  get PDFGetXY(theDocumentRef,myXValue,empty)

or

  get PDFGetXY(theDocumentRef,empty, myYValue)

or

  put PDFGetXY(theDocumentRef,empty, empty) & cr after myXYList

However this doesn't seem to work, since it looks like there is no  
way to tell if you are passing "empty" as apposed to a value that is  
empty, e.g.

put empty into myXValue
put empty into myYValue
  get PDFGetXY(theDocumentRef,myXValue,myYValue)

is the same as:

  get PDFGetXY(theDocumentRef,empty, empty)

Does anyone know away around this or do I have to abandon my idea and  
have two separate GetXY functions?

All the Best
Dave


------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
------------
--
--  PDFGetXY
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
------------
function PDFGetXY theDocumentRef, at theXValue, at theYValue
   local myXValue
   local myYValue

   put qrtPDF_GetX(theDocumentRef) into myXValue
   put qrtPDF_GetY(theDocumentRef) into myYValue

   if theXValue <> empty then
     put myXValue into theXValue
   end if

   if theYValue <> empty then
     put myYValue into theYValue
   end if

   return myXValue & "," & myYValue
end PDFGetXY





From wjm at wjm.org  Thu Mar 15 08:56:05 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:56:05 -0400
Subject: Thank for suggest to build website by runrev.
References: <680dfa960703141945r456c8235jce02e0ebc7edc9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etbfp4$feu$1@sea.gmane.org>

Supote,

Also, just because it can be used as a CGI doesn't mean this is the only way 
to use Rev to build a website. You can write a desktop-based content 
management system in Rev that uploads static HTML files via FTP, for 
example. And many other possibilities.


"supote songthammawat" 
<supote.songthammawat at gmail.com> wrote in 
message news:680dfa960703141945r456c8235jce02e0ebc7edc9c at mail.gmail.com...
>         Thank so much for suggestion. If I have problem about runrev I 
> will
> ask u again. Bye Bye.
>
> On 3/14/07, Marielle Lange 
> <mlange at widged.com> wrote:
>> A few tutorials on building CGI's with revolution have appeared in
>> runrev's newsletters:





From martinblackman at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 09:36:02 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:36:02 +0900
Subject: Printing and previewing
In-Reply-To: <E7E00E4E-B44D-475F-8BC5-B421E742E538@major-k.de>
References: <1CC957D5-62E5-4EFE-B34E-DA40A735EA81@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210703041557k5011b0e6r1c9a5690d95f0df0@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150232q26a55ff4x55383b187bb71015@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210703150236q5330ab8fi25c57e147e73eb35@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150431i313289abq780d52b49039e88b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7E00E4E-B44D-475F-8BC5-B421E742E538@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70703150636m3eec96aew4bda8e8a0896435d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Klaus,
thanks for your interest. The following are the pertinent lines. If I
set the left of stack "Printstack" to say 250, it is onscreen and the
capture works OK (but this requires the printstack to be visible and
hence is not presenting a polished result for a print preview). If I
set to 2500 I get the previously mentioned error. If I set to part on
screen, part off I get only the on-screen portion. (I think this
behaviour has been discussed on the list before)

set the left of stack "printstack" to 2500  --off screen
put the windowid of stack "PrintStack" into tWinID
put "0,0,"& the width of stack "printstack" & comma & the height of
stack "printstack" into trect
set the rect of the templateimage to trect
create invisible image imgname in group "Pages" of stack "PrintPreview"
export snapshot from rect trect of window tWinID to pictvar as JPEG
put pictvar into image imgname of stack "PrintPreview"


> sounds like a syntax problem. Could you post your code?
>
> >> ... You might be able to try export image and see if it doesn't
> >> work with offscreen images in 2.7...I seem to think that might work.
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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From martinblackman at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 09:56:24 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:56:24 +0900
Subject: Printing and previewing
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70703150636m3eec96aew4bda8e8a0896435d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CC957D5-62E5-4EFE-B34E-DA40A735EA81@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210703041557k5011b0e6r1c9a5690d95f0df0@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150232q26a55ff4x55383b187bb71015@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210703150236q5330ab8fi25c57e147e73eb35@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150431i313289abq780d52b49039e88b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7E00E4E-B44D-475F-8BC5-B421E742E538@major-k.de>
	<79d1bee70703150636m3eec96aew4bda8e8a0896435d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70703150656x7b25f073hdbd91c3e6b10171c@mail.gmail.com>

I think I've just found the answer to my problem. Export snapshot DOES
work with offscreen OBJECTS, not stacks. It even works with groups, so
in my example I can group all the objects on my printstack and change
the export line to :

export snapshot from rect trect of grp "PrintGrp" to pictvar as JPEG

regards
Martin

>
> set the left of stack "printstack" to 2500  --off screen
> put the windowid of stack "PrintStack" into tWinID
> put "0,0,"& the width of stack "printstack" & comma & the height of
> stack "printstack" into trect
> set the rect of the templateimage to trect
> create invisible image imgname in group "Pages" of stack "PrintPreview"
> export snapshot from rect trect of window tWinID to pictvar as JPEG
> put pictvar into image imgname of stack "PrintPreview"
>


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 15 10:17:12 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:17:12 -0500
Subject: Detecting Browser Page on Windows/Linux
In-Reply-To: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C7040718FB@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
References: <C21DAF7C.30E1%developer@positivepractices.com>
	<20070315010536352187.7cc42eca@sonsothunder.com>
	<E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C7040718FB@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
Message-ID: <20070315091712445874.426d28aa@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 04:34:57 -0700, Mark Powell wrote:

> 
>   If (objApp.Name = "Windows Internet Explorer") or
> (objApp.Name="Microsoft Internet Explorer") then
> 
> 
> Hi Ken:
> 
> Does this signify that the VB will not work with browsers other than IE?

Well, *technically*, yes, but the non-IE browser would need to support 
VBScript (which you'd have to check on).


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Mar 15 10:23:37 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:23:37 -0700
Subject: Passing by Reference?
In-Reply-To: <D85845FE-3D2C-4DB2-BE4C-348D63F4220D@looktowindward.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAJhDCd2p209MqyvHHiU6xW8BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
	<D85845FE-3D2C-4DB2-BE4C-348D63F4220D@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <AFF43454-3B0D-48C6-B079-471C6AF683EC@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:59 AM, Dave wrote:

> Does anyone know away around this or do I have to abandon my idea  
> and have two separate GetXY functions?

I suppose you could pass false instead of empty and check for that.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar 15 10:23:55 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:23:55 +0100
Subject: Printing and previewing
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70703150636m3eec96aew4bda8e8a0896435d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CC957D5-62E5-4EFE-B34E-DA40A735EA81@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210703041557k5011b0e6r1c9a5690d95f0df0@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150232q26a55ff4x55383b187bb71015@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210703150236q5330ab8fi25c57e147e73eb35@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150431i313289abq780d52b49039e88b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7E00E4E-B44D-475F-8BC5-B421E742E538@major-k.de>
	<79d1bee70703150636m3eec96aew4bda8e8a0896435d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A9B847BC-194A-4569-94CC-FFDBC2E42E0B@major-k.de>

Hi Martin,

> Hi Klaus,
> thanks for your interest. The following are the pertinent lines. If I
> set the left of stack "Printstack" to say 250, it is onscreen and the
> capture works OK (but this requires the printstack to be visible and
> hence is not presenting a polished result for a print preview). If I
> set to 2500 I get the previously mentioned error. If I set to part on
> screen, part off I get only the on-screen portion. (I think this
> behaviour has been discussed on the list before)
>
> set the left of stack "printstack" to 2500  --off screen
> put the windowid of stack "PrintStack" into tWinID
> put "0,0,"& the width of stack "printstack" & comma & the height of
> stack "printstack" into trect
> set the rect of the templateimage to trect
> create invisible image imgname in group "Pages" of stack  
> "PrintPreview"
> export snapshot from rect trect of window tWinID to pictvar as JPEG
> put pictvar into image imgname of stack "PrintPreview"
>
>
>> sounds like a syntax problem. Could you post your code?
>>
>> >> ... You might be able to try export image and see if it doesn't
>> >> work with offscreen images in 2.7...I seem to think that might  
>> work.

i created 2 teststacks, modified your script a little bit for these  
stacks and ended
with a nice, correct yet invisible screenshot of the "printstack"s  
content!

on mouseUp
   put the loc of stack "printstack" into altloc
   set the left of stack "printstack" to 2500  --off screen
   put the windowid of stack "PrintStack" into tWinID
   put "0,0,"& the width of stack "printstack" & comma & the height  
of stack "printstack" into trect
   set the rect of the templateimage to trect
   create invisible image imgname
   export snapshot from rect trect of window tWinID to pictvar as JPEG
   put pictvar into image imgname of this stack
   SHOW img imgname of this stack
   ## optional, but looks better ;-)
   set the loc of stack "printstack" to altloc
end mouseUp

Did I miss something?


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 15 10:32:29 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:32:29 -0500
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
In-Reply-To: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no>
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no>
Message-ID: <20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:23:45 +0100, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:

> So far I have used MetaCard and engine 2.6.6. The programs make use 
> of a portal stack (thanks to Sivakatirswami) which downloads/opens 
> the various educational programs. This downloading is done by http.
> 
> My questions to the group:
> If the institute and the students are happy with the programs as 
> they  are with no urgent need to change anything,  for how many years 
> can we count on their functioning? 5? 10?

Well, that would depend on how often the computers they're running on 
get upgraded with new operating systems, etc. If they never get 
upgraded, they will last as long as the computer can last at the 
institute. Unfortunately, if they *do* get upgraded, there's no way to 
tell whether something in a new OS will cause a program to fail - for 
example, the latest post about the Daylight Savings Time bug would 
cause date-oriented applications to fail unless they are patched to 
work. 

> Should I convert them all to latest version of Revolution? Would this 
> secure a longer life for them?

Well, for *Macs*, I'd say you should upgrade them. The reason is that 
2.6.6 is not Intel or Universal Binary, so it's currently running under 
Rosetta. Eventually Apple will discontinue Rosetta support (much as it 
discontinued Classic support), so if you upgrade to the latest Rev you 
will at least be sure that if Rosetta goes away it won't affect your 
program.
 
> Can we  count on a contiuous existence of QuickTime and Microsoft 
> Multimedia Tools when new systems arrive?

Once again, it's hard to project too far into the future, but I'd have 
to say that Apple has such a strategic investment in QuickTime, so that 
would indicate to me that QT will be here for a LONG time. As to 
Microsoft Multimedia Tools - that's anyone's guess. If you're talking 
specifically about Windows Media Player, I would say based on past 
history that some form of WMP will be around for a long time as well.

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 15 10:35:26 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 09:35:26 -0500
Subject: Passing by Reference?
In-Reply-To: <D85845FE-3D2C-4DB2-BE4C-348D63F4220D@looktowindward.com>
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On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:59:10 +0000, Dave wrote:

> However this doesn't seem to work, since it looks like there is no 
> way to tell if you are passing "empty" as apposed to a value that is 
> empty, e.g.

Sorry, Dave, but I don't see the difference... did you want to have 
some different action performed if the constant "empty" is passed vs. 
an empty variable? If so, what are the two different actions?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From linux at flippingdades.com  Thu Mar 15 10:41:12 2007
From: linux at flippingdades.com (Don Jungk)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:41:12 -0600
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <45F74C92.8020505@howsoft.com>
References: <45F74C92.8020505@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <200703150841.12380.linux@flippingdades.com>

Hi Bob,
I just realized there is an easier way that should work for you. I was 
re-encoding fonts that are resident in the printer, but you have the entire 
encoding in your PS file.  After the line "/isolatin1encoding [" you have a 
list of 228 character definitions. The numbering starts at 0. You have 32 
undefined non-printing characters, then the space, exclamation mark, etc.

So, find out what ascii code your program is sending for the accented 
characters, then you can either change the PS to put the character defs in 
the right place. (? is aacute, ? is Eacute, etc.) or change the output text 
to have the correct ascii codes for your font encoding. The encoding that you 
have in this font would be correct for me, with my system set to UTF-8 and my 
HP printer.

Don

> %%BeginProlog
>         /isolatin1encoding [ /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
>         /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
>         /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
>         /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
>         /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /space
> /exclam /quotedbl /numbersign /dollar /percent /ampersand /quoteright
> /parenleft /parenright /asterisk /plus /comma /minus /period /slash /zero
> /one /two /three /four /five /six /seven /eight /nine /colon /semicolon
> /less /equal /greater /question /at /A /B /C /D /E /F /G /H /I /J /K /L /M
> /N /O /P /Q /R /S /T /U /V /W /X /Y /Z /bracketleft /backslash
> /bracketright /asciicircum /underscore /quoteleft /a /b /c /d /e /f /g /h
> /i /j /k /l /m /n /o /p /q /r /s /t /u /v /w /x /y /z /braceleft /bar
> /braceright /asciitilde /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
> /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
> /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
> /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef
> /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /.notdef /space /exclamdown /cent /sterling
> /currency /yen /brokenbar /section /dieresis /copyright /ordfeminine
> /guillemotleft /logicalnot /hyphen /registered /macron /degree /plusminus
> /twosuperior /threesuperior /acute /mu /paragraph /periodcentered /cedilla
> /onesuperior /ordmasculine /guillemotright /onequarter /onehalf
> /threequarters /questiondown /Agrave /Aacute /Acircumflex /Atilde
> /Adieresis /Aring /AE /Ccedilla /Egrave /Eacute /Ecircumflex /Edieresis
> /Igrave /Iacute /Icircumflex /Idieresis /Eth /Ntilde /Ograve /Oacute
> /Ocircumflex /Otilde /Odieresis /multiply /Oslash /Ugrave /Uacute
> /Ucircumflex /Udieresis /Yacute /Thorn /germandbls /agrave /aacute
> /acircumflex /atilde /adieresis /aring /ae /ccedilla /egrave /eacute
> /ecircumflex /edieresis /igrave /iacute /icircumflex /idieresis /eth
> /ntilde /ograve /oacute /ocircumflex /otilde /odieresis /divide /oslash
> /ugrave /uacute /ucircumflex /udieresis /yacute /thorn /ydieresis ] def
>


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar 15 10:51:42 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:51:42 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45F95D7E.1090702@howsoft.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

Bob-
Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 8:48:42 AM, you wrote:

>  In fact, it is not necessary to expose your password when accessing a
> > network drive in Linux. I cut this out of Mark's suggested command line.
> > On my network/machines, the following worked perfectly:
>   
> > put "smbclient \\\\john\\c -Wmshome -cdir" into procToDo
> > put shell(procToDo) into field "test"
>   

That will only work if the username of the loggedin user (environment
variable $USER) matches a valid username on the windows computer (and
workgroup if there's a server on the network). And smbclient should
ask you for a password if you don't supply one on the command line,
even if none is required.

---------------------------------------
Perhaps it should, but through Rev it didn't. More practical!
Thanks very much indeed for the qualification, Mark.
Bob





From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 15 10:58:02 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:58:02 +0000
Subject: Passing by Reference?
In-Reply-To: <20070315093526845348.996b3a8f@sonsothunder.com>
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On 15 Mar 2007, at 14:35, Ken Ray wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:59:10 +0000, Dave wrote:
>
>> However this doesn't seem to work, since it looks like there is no
>> way to tell if you are passing "empty" as apposed to a value that is
>> empty, e.g.
>
> Sorry, Dave, but I don't see the difference... did you want to have
> some different action performed if the constant "empty" is passed vs.
> an empty variable? If so, what are the two different actions?

Well look at the function:

------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
------------
--
--  PDFGetXY
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
------------
function PDFGetXY theDocumentRef, at theXValue, at theYValue
   local myXValue
   local myYValue

   put qrtPDF_GetX(theDocumentRef) into myXValue
   put qrtPDF_GetY(theDocumentRef) into myYValue

   if theXValue <> empty then
     put myXValue into theXValue
   end if

   if theYValue <> empty then
     put myYValue into theYValue
   end if

   return myXValue & "," & myYValue
end PDFGetXY

If I just want the discrete Y value I'd like to be able to do this:

get PDFGetXY(theDocumentRef,empty,myYValue)

if I want just discrete X, then I'd like to be able to do:

get PDFGetXY(theDocumentRef, myXValue, empty)


if I want X and Y as two discrete values, then I'd like to be able to  
do:

get PDFGetXY(theDocumentRef, myXValue, myYValue)

if I want X and Y as a List, I'd like to be able to do:

put PDFGetXY(theDocumentRef, empty, empty) & cr after myXYList


All the Best
Dave






From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 15 11:00:33 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:00:33 +0000
Subject: Passing by Reference?
In-Reply-To: <AFF43454-3B0D-48C6-B079-471C6AF683EC@mangomultimedia.com>
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On 15 Mar 2007, at 14:23, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:59 AM, Dave wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know away around this or do I have to abandon my idea  
>> and have two separate GetXY functions?
>
> I suppose you could pass false instead of empty and check for that.

I don't think this would work either. Wouldn't :

get GetXY(theDocRef,false,myYValue)

by the same as:

put false into myXValue
get GetXY(theDocRef, myXValue,myYValue)

?????

All the Best
Dave



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar 15 11:09:33 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:09:33 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45F961AD.8040301@howsoft.com>

This is the text in Portuguese that was contained by the field of my 
test program that produced an incorrect PS file. I hope it displays OK here!

Bob

----------------------------------------

bom ar [1]
bom-bril [1]
carv?o [1]
desinfetante [1]
desodorante [1]
detergente [1]
esponja [1]
Finish l?quido [1]
Finish sab?o [1]
f?sforos [1 pac]
gel p/ cabelo [1]
guardanapos [2]
inseticida [1]
limpa tapete [1]
limpa vidros [1]
limpador forno [1]
palha a?o [1]
palitos [1]
pano ch?o [1]



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Mar 15 11:19:12 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 08:19:12 -0700
Subject: Passing by Reference?
In-Reply-To: <D42B7AFF-FAAC-4128-ACF4-B47BEDCA53B2@looktowindward.com>
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	<D85845FE-3D2C-4DB2-BE4C-348D63F4220D@looktowindward.com>
	<AFF43454-3B0D-48C6-B079-471C6AF683EC@mangomultimedia.com>
	<D42B7AFF-FAAC-4128-ACF4-B47BEDCA53B2@looktowindward.com>
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On Mar 15, 2007, at 8:00 AM, Dave wrote:

> On 15 Mar 2007, at 14:23, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>
>> On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:59 AM, Dave wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know away around this or do I have to abandon my idea  
>>> and have two separate GetXY functions?
>>
>> I suppose you could pass false instead of empty and check for that.
>
> I don't think this would work either. Wouldn't :
>
> get GetXY(theDocRef,false,myYValue)
>
> by the same as:
>
> put false into myXValue
> get GetXY(theDocRef, myXValue,myYValue)

What I was thinking is that you can pass false for theXValue/ 
theYValue if you wanted the function to act as if those parameters  
weren't passed.  Passing empty would mean you passed in an empty  
value.  With Rev you have to pass a variable as the parameter when  
passing by reference.  Looking at your first post it doesn't even  
look like the get code

get PDFGetXY(theDocumentRef,empty, empty)

would execute without an error.  Does it work on your end?

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar 15 11:27:07 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:27:07 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45F965CB.3030006@howsoft.com>

Don:

Although I am pushed for time today, I couldn't resist trying to carry 
out your suggestion immediately. I followed your instructions as best I 
could, but the result was a PS file that still didn't display in the 
Evince utility.

However, since I have sent the whole original PS file created by Rev, 
and also the text in Portuguese I am trying to display, perhaps you 
could help me (us) correct it directly.

Thanks.

Bob


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar 15 11:38:57 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:38:57 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45F96891.2070801@howsoft.com>

Your mail to 'use-revolution' with the subject

    Re: Linux-specific technical problems

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

    Message body is too big: 15832 bytes with a limit of 15 KB

-----------------------------------------------------------------
It's only a few bytes over the top.

Are you the "moderator" Jacque? 
If so, I suggest letting it through if you think that it wouldn't upset disinterested parties too much.

Bob



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 15 11:42:20 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:42:20 -0500
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <200703150841.12380.linux@flippingdades.com>
References: <45F74C92.8020505@howsoft.com>
	<200703150841.12380.linux@flippingdades.com>
Message-ID: <45F9695C.3030109@hyperactivesw.com>

Don Jungk wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> I just realized there is an easier way that should work for you. I was 
> re-encoding fonts that are resident in the printer, but you have the entire 
> encoding in your PS file. 

I'm a little lost in postscript, but...does this mean that if Bob were 
to replace the font he uses, things would automatically work?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar 15 11:47:51 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:47:51 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45F96AA7.4030306@howsoft.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

Bob- Wednesday, March 14, 2007, 7:02:10 AM, you wrote:

>  So if "mount" isn't a valid command, somebody had better tell smbclient!
> > Possibly, smbclient -? for the available options is out of date.
>   
>Well, smbclient on my Ubuntu installation happily ignores "mount" as
well. Or "scrabble". Or any other non-option directive. Were you
trying to perform an smbmount at the same time as your smbclient call?

-----------------------------------------------------------
Don't overestimate my intelligence!
I just wanted to display the contents of the drive, and I thought that I would have to mount it in some way before that could be done, that's all. Turns out I was wrong.

Thanks.

Bob





From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar 15 11:58:06 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:58:06 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45F96D0E.2090401@howsoft.com>

Don Jungk wrote:

Hi Bob,
I just realized there is an easier way that should work for you.

-----------------------------------------
Phew! Thank God for that. Perhaps Jacque can give me a little of the brain surgery I need, then I'll try again later.

Thanks for now.

Bob




From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 15 12:00:36 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:00:36 +0000
Subject: Passing by Reference?
In-Reply-To: <11445C35-3EF9-49E5-B3F4-BD02CE4FE1F3@mangomultimedia.com>
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	<D42B7AFF-FAAC-4128-ACF4-B47BEDCA53B2@looktowindward.com>
	<11445C35-3EF9-49E5-B3F4-BD02CE4FE1F3@mangomultimedia.com>
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On 15 Mar 2007, at 15:19, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Mar 15, 2007, at 8:00 AM, Dave wrote:
>
>> On 15 Mar 2007, at 14:23, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:59 AM, Dave wrote:
>>>
>>>> Does anyone know away around this or do I have to abandon my  
>>>> idea and have two separate GetXY functions?
>>>
>>> I suppose you could pass false instead of empty and check for that.
>>
>> I don't think this would work either. Wouldn't :
>>
>> get GetXY(theDocRef,false,myYValue)
>>
>> by the same as:
>>
>> put false into myXValue
>> get GetXY(theDocRef, myXValue,myYValue)
>
> What I was thinking is that you can pass false for theXValue/ 
> theYValue if you wanted the function to act as if those parameters  
> weren't passed.  Passing empty would mean you passed in an empty  
> value.  With Rev you have to pass a variable as the parameter when  
> passing by reference.  Looking at your first post it doesn't even  
> look like the get code
>
> get PDFGetXY(theDocumentRef,empty, empty)
>
> would execute without an error.  Does it work on your end?

Ahh, ok, I didn't get that far since it didn't work on the case where  
I passed two variables into it. I've abandoned the idea now. I've  
been coding in C this afternoon and I guessed some of that rubbed off  
when I switched back to RunRev. In C you'd pass NULL to the function  
or &myXValue. In function you'd check the value for <> NULL and if so  
store the value. This is a standard way of doing things in C and I  
thought I could use a similar technique in RunRev, it turns out I  
can't. Doesn't really matter,

Thanks a lot for taking the time to look at this
All the Best
Dave



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar 15 12:23:25 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:23:25 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45F972FD.1000302@howsoft.com>

In case my previous post does not get through the moderator on account 
of its length, here is the first part of it again with a link to the PS 
file in question:

Don Jungk wrote:

>  Hi Bob,
> > OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears 
> they are just > in the wrong place. This code that I will paste in 
> here is something I use > when I have to re-encode a Macintosh font to 
> work on my Linux computer. This > should be put after all of the 
> original encoding because it is going to > change it.   
Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:
<snip>

Wow. That's just...wow. The level of expertise on this list never ceases 
to amaze me.

-----------------------------------------------------
And if that's your reaction, imagine mine! It's the first time I've even 
seen a Postscript file.
OK Don, thanks very much. I'll sit down calmly and see if I can manage 
to implement your suggestion, and when inevitably I have problems I'll 
get back to you. Tell you what, I'll include the whole PS file that does 
NOT work below. I did think of uploading it to my site, but in the end I 
decided that perhaps other users could more easily benefit from your 
explanations with the file in front of them. Perhaps some users will 
complain about the length of it, so I apologise in advance.

Jacque:

Thanks for your further suggested experiments. I'll come back with the 
answers, but it might take a little time because I have quite a lot of 
non-programming work to do over the next few days.

----------------------------------------------------------
THE FOLLOWING POSTSCRIPT FILE DOES NOT DISPLAY CORRECTLY USING THE 
EVINCE UTILITY IN UBUNTU:
----------------------------------------------------------
http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/output_print_file_NOT_OK.ps





From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Mar 15 12:50:34 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:50:34 +0200 (FLE Standard Time)
Subject: Printing Japanese text
References: <EFC6F368-54FD-49C4-9E99-36F2FBA0EA5C@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <45F9795A.000001.03052@MAZYTIS>

Revolution 2.8: 
Bug 1955: The revPrintText and revPrintField commands did not work correctly
for a field with unicode text, this has been fixed... 
 
Seems like the most recent Studio release should print Unicode correctly... 
 
All the best 
Viktoras 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Mark Schonewille 
Date: 03/14/07 03:32:20 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Re: Printing Japanese text 
 
It appears that the text that I was printing had the font set to 
"Font Name,Japanese" instead of "Font Name,UTF8". 
 
Peter, my guess is that there is a bug in Revolution that affects 
printing Japanese fonts. 
 
Best regards, 
 
Mark 


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar 15 13:03:26 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:03:26 -0600
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
In-Reply-To: <20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com>
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no>
	<20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu>


On Mar 15, 2007, at 8:32 AM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:23:45 +0100, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:
>
>> So far I have used MetaCard and engine 2.6.6. The programs make use
>> of a portal stack (thanks to Sivakatirswami) which downloads/opens
>> the various educational programs. This downloading is done by http.
>>
>> My questions to the group:
>> If the institute and the students are happy with the programs as
>> they  are with no urgent need to change anything,  for how many years
>> can we count on their functioning? 5? 10?
>
> Well, that would depend on how often the computers they're running on
> get upgraded with new operating systems, etc. If they never get
> upgraded, they will last as long as the computer can last at the
> institute. Unfortunately, if they *do* get upgraded, there's no way to
> tell whether something in a new OS will cause a program to fail - for
> example, the latest post about the Daylight Savings Time bug would
> cause date-oriented applications to fail unless they are patched to

I agree with Ken. It would not hurt and would probably help to update  
your materials to the newest version of rev. At a minimum, you should  
re-build the "portal" standalone with the latest rev engine. In my  
view that would help legacy stacks survive longer.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 15 13:08:09 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:08:09 -0500
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <45F96891.2070801@howsoft.com>
References: <45F96891.2070801@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <45F97D79.1060106@hyperactivesw.com>

Bob Warren wrote:
> Your mail to 'use-revolution' with the subject
> 
>    Re: Linux-specific technical problems
> 
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> 
> The reason it is being held:
> 
>    Message body is too big: 15832 bytes with a limit of 15 KB
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> It's only a few bytes over the top.
> 
> Are you the "moderator" Jacque? If so, I suggest letting it through if 
> you think that it wouldn't upset disinterested parties too much.

No, Heather's the moderator. I don't have any access to the control 
functions of the list. It might be faster to just post a link to the 
file somewhere so that people can get it that way.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dave at westcomp.co.uk  Thu Mar 15 13:19:49 2007
From: dave at westcomp.co.uk (Dave Ingledew - WCS)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:19:49 -0700
Subject: Filling Combo Box from Database
Message-ID: <002901c76726$24f877b0$65c809c0@DavesAcer>

Hi All, 

Please be patient with me, I started programming (exploring) Revolution a few days ago. I'm not an inexperienced programmer, nearly 30 years with C, Informix, SQL WIndows, PHP and a bit of VB. But I'm still finding some of Revolutions syntax a bit strange. I love it though and I hope to use it lots in the future.

I'm trying to fill the menu or list items of a ComboBox with items selected from a database.
I've sorted out the database connection, opening the database, executing the SQL that selects the data and then using a While - Repeat loop to step through the dataset and displaying the data a record at a time with answer. So far so good but how on earth do I get this data into the ComboBox.

The best indication I found lurking in the description of the ComboBox was to use the "Text" property.

I've trawled the email Archive back to last August and though I've found a few ideas, which are going to be very helpful, nothing that helps with this.

If anybody can help I would be most grateful

Dave Ingledew
dave at westcomp.co.uk
www.westcomp.co.uk

From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 13:42:04 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 10:42:04 -0700
Subject: Passing by Reference?
In-Reply-To: <7A9368D4-F09A-43FD-A1BD-BFB22DBC1F2A@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <C21ED37C.43FF3%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Just a quick note... you can pass NULL in Rev, and use it as a character in
a string.  This may not solve your particular of multiple param passing.

Jim Ault


On 3/15/07 9:00 AM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:

> 
> On 15 Mar 2007, at 15:19, Trevor DeVore wrote:
> 
>> On Mar 15, 2007, at 8:00 AM, Dave wrote:
>> 
>>> On 15 Mar 2007, at 14:23, Trevor DeVore wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:59 AM, Dave wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone know away around this or do I have to abandon my
>>>>> idea and have two separate GetXY functions?
>>>> 
>>>> I suppose you could pass false instead of empty and check for that.
>>> 
>>> I don't think this would work either. Wouldn't :
>>> 
>>> get GetXY(theDocRef,false,myYValue)
>>> 
>>> by the same as:
>>> 
>>> put false into myXValue
>>> get GetXY(theDocRef, myXValue,myYValue)
>> 
>> What I was thinking is that you can pass false for theXValue/
>> theYValue if you wanted the function to act as if those parameters
>> weren't passed.  Passing empty would mean you passed in an empty
>> value.  With Rev you have to pass a variable as the parameter when
>> passing by reference.  Looking at your first post it doesn't even
>> look like the get code
>> 
>> get PDFGetXY(theDocumentRef,empty, empty)
>> 
>> would execute without an error.  Does it work on your end?
> 
> Ahh, ok, I didn't get that far since it didn't work on the case where
> I passed two variables into it. I've abandoned the idea now. I've
> been coding in C this afternoon and I guessed some of that rubbed off
> when I switched back to RunRev. In C you'd pass NULL to the function
> or &myXValue. In function you'd check the value for <> NULL and if so
> store the value. This is a standard way of doing things in C and I
> thought I could use a similar technique in RunRev, it turns out I
> can't. Doesn't really matter,
> 
> Thanks a lot for taking the time to look at this
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar 15 13:51:53 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:51:53 -0600
Subject: Filling Combo Box from Database
In-Reply-To: <002901c76726$24f877b0$65c809c0@DavesAcer>
References: <002901c76726$24f877b0$65c809c0@DavesAcer>
Message-ID: <77D1B841-8FFD-4923-8025-1BA658320960@byu.edu>


On Mar 15, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Dave Ingledew - WCS wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Please be patient with me, I started programming (exploring)  
> Revolution a few days ago. I'm not an inexperienced programmer,  
> nearly 30 years with C, Informix, SQL WIndows, PHP and a bit of VB.  
> But I'm still finding some of Revolutions syntax a bit strange. I  
> love it though and I hope to use it lots in the future.
>
> I'm trying to fill the menu or list items of a ComboBox with items  
> selected from a database.
> I've sorted out the database connection, opening the database,  
> executing the SQL that selects the data and then using a While -  
> Repeat loop to step through the dataset and displaying the data a  
> record at a time with answer. So far so good but how on earth do I  
> get this data into the ComboBox.
>
> The best indication I found lurking in the description of the  
> ComboBox was to use the "Text" property.
>
> I've trawled the email Archive back to last August and though I've  
> found a few ideas, which are going to be very helpful, nothing that  
> helps with this.
>
> If anybody can help I would be most grateful

Dave,

Welcome to the Revolution!

Try:
put variableThatHasYourDataInIt into button "YourComboBox"

Supplying the proper variable name and button name, of course.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 14:00:07 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:00:07 -0700
Subject: Filling Combo Box from Database
In-Reply-To: <002901c76726$24f877b0$65c809c0@DavesAcer>
Message-ID: <C21ED7B7.43FF7%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/15/07 10:19 AM, "Dave Ingledew - WCS" <dave at westcomp.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi All, 
> 
> Please be patient with me, I started programming (exploring) Revolution a few
> days ago. I'm not an inexperienced programmer, nearly 30 years with C,
> Informix, SQL WIndows, PHP and a bit of VB. But I'm still finding some of
> Revolutions syntax a bit strange. I love it though and I hope to use it lots
> in the future.
> 
> I'm trying to fill the menu or list items of a ComboBox with items selected
> from a database.
> I've sorted out the database connection, opening the database, executing the
> SQL that selects the data and then using a While - Repeat loop to step through
> the dataset and displaying the data a record at a time with answer. So far so
> good but how on earth do I get this data into the ComboBox.
> 
> The best indication I found lurking in the description of the ComboBox was to
> use the "Text" property.
> 
> I've trawled the email Archive back to last August and though I've found a few
> ideas, which are going to be very helpful, nothing that helps with this.
> 
> If anybody can help I would be most grateful

---------------------------------------------------
In general, you should go to the Rev page
http://support.runrev.com/

Also click on the button a the left "Online Confrences" which has a
collection of expert explanations, and in your case, #9 is by Jeanne DeVoto,
and it does not get much better than that.  She wrote a lot of the docs.
--------------------------------------
Specifically:
Try the following steps to see what's up

change to pointer mode
make a new mainstack
use Object:New Control:Combo Box Menu to put one on the card
double-click on the Combo Box Menu control

study the inspector palette

now type into the message box
"put the text of control 1"
--this works since there is only one control on the card at the moment

To get a better understanding, check out "menus in the docs, and do an
archive search for the "menupick" message that is sent by Rev to the control
whenever the user makes a menu choice (pick).

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar 15 14:04:03 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:04:03 +0100
Subject: Filling Combo Box from Database
In-Reply-To: <002901c76726$24f877b0$65c809c0@DavesAcer>
References: <002901c76726$24f877b0$65c809c0@DavesAcer>
Message-ID: <61524C32-A2E0-4BD9-8840-5E34DA6FBFE5@major-k.de>

Hi Dave,

> Hi All,
>
> Please be patient with me, I started programming (exploring)  
> Revolution a few days ago. I'm not an inexperienced programmer,  
> nearly 30 years with C, Informix, SQL WIndows, PHP and a bit of VB.  
> But I'm still finding some of Revolutions syntax a bit strange. I  
> love it though and I hope to use it lots in the future.
>
> I'm trying to fill the menu or list items of a ComboBox with items  
> selected from a database.
> I've sorted out the database connection, opening the database,  
> executing the SQL that selects the data and then using a While -  
> Repeat loop to step through the dataset and displaying the data a  
> record at a time with answer. So far so good but how on earth do I  
> get this data into the ComboBox.
>
> The best indication I found lurking in the description of the  
> ComboBox was to use the "Text" property.
>
> I've trawled the email Archive back to last August and though I've  
> found a few ideas, which are going to be very helpful, nothing that  
> helps with this.
>
> If anybody can help I would be most grateful

take care that the data you want to put into a menu are in CR  
delimited list format,
one "menu item" per line. Then you can simply "put" the data into the  
button!

...
put my_formatted_DB_data into btn "my combobox"
...

That's it :-)

> Dave Ingledew
> dave at westcomp.co.uk
> www.westcomp.co.uk

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From pevensen at siboneylg.com  Thu Mar 15 14:45:32 2007
From: pevensen at siboneylg.com (Peter T. Evensen)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:45:32 -0500
Subject: Printing Japanese text
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20070314101728.12c0de20@exchange.slg.com>
References: <6.2.1.2.2.20070312134837.0aa608f0@exchange.slg.com>
	<B6A2896B-657E-47E9-8361-0512F0F5DD67@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070312150239.0ae68c50@exchange.slg.com>
	<E89725E8-7536-49F1-BC12-3868ABD2340E@kenjikojima.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070313121206.10ec1170@exchange.slg.com>
	<ED957143-5841-45E4-9D40-9BBB4D850FCE@economy-x-talk.com>
	<294668A4-7420-4E8B-A50F-FE67DAC3EB6F@economy-x-talk.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070313152527.11220ad0@exchange.slg.com>
	<12619F44-4301-4D4E-94F7-88D9D4C2CE6D@economy-x-talk.com>
	<EFC6F368-54FD-49C4-9E99-36F2FBA0EA5C@economy-x-talk.com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20070314101728.12c0de20@exchange.slg.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20070315134452.19d70360@exchange.slg.com>

Now with my final stack it isn't printing at all on the Mac.  I'm giving up 
and printing on Windows :(.  I am using 2.8.0.

At 10:18 AM 3/14/2007, you wrote:
>The odd this is, I discovered it I printed it once, I got the black 
>bars.  If I tried printing a second time, the Japanese printed fine.  Very 
>strange.
>
>I can't wait for more Unicode in Rev.
>
>At 08:31 PM 3/13/2007, you wrote:
>>It appears that the text that I was printing had the font set to
>>"Font Name,Japanese" instead of "Font Name,UTF8".
>>
>>Peter, my guess is that there is a bug in Revolution that affects
>>printing Japanese fonts.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Mark
>>
>>--
>>
>>Economy-x-Talk
>>Consultancy and Software Engineering
>>http://economy-x-talk.com
>>http://www.salery.biz
>>
>>Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.
>>Download at http://www.salery.biz
>>
>>Op 14-mrt-2007, om 1:22 heeft Mark Schonewille het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>>Hi Peter,
>>>
>>>It is not your machine! I was trying to work around a unicode bug
>>>in Revolution which causes Rev to crash. I can now avoid the crash,
>>>but get black bars instead.
>>>
>>>Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>Op 13-mrt-2007, om 21:35 heeft Peter T. Evensen het volgende
>>>geschreven:
>>>
>>>>Evidently it is just my Mac.  I wonder what is up with my machine;
>>>>I even rebooted and everything.  I will have to try it on some
>>>>other Macs here to see if I get the same thing.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks, everyone, for all your help.   (If anyone has any
>>>>suggestions on what I should look at on my Mac...)
>>
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From linux at flippingdades.com  Thu Mar 15 15:00:19 2007
From: linux at flippingdades.com (Don Jungk)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:00:19 -0600
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <45F9695C.3030109@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45F74C92.8020505@howsoft.com>
	<200703150841.12380.linux@flippingdades.com>
	<45F9695C.3030109@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <200703151300.19450.linux@flippingdades.com>

On Thursday 15 March 2007 9:42 am, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I'm a little lost in postscript, but...does this mean that if Bob were
> to replace the font he uses, things would automatically work?

I don't think so. The fonts he is using seem to have all the correct 
characters. I'm not an expert in Postscript, but I have had to learn a 
little. (since REALBasic's print functions don't work with Linux and I have 
to write Postscript "by hand") When a font is embedded in a PS file, the 
shapes of the letters are there in a big bunch of binary code. The mapping 
which links a particular ascii code to each letter shape is the encoding that 
we're dealing with here. With some printers, if the string of text characters 
includes a non-defined ascii number, the print job aborts. Others will go 
ahead and print the rest of the page.

I've just started looking at the demo version of Revolution, so I can't help 
too much with how to determine what ascii codes are in the text string that 
the Rev ps that is being sent to the printer (other than reading them with a 
hex editor after the ps is written). But it should be able to send any set of 
codes that you need. If these match the PS file's text encoding chart it 
should print correctly. The encoding chart is the part with things 
like /aacute /plus /period /.... etc.

If he is opening the ps file in a text editor, he might want to check what 
text encoding the editor is using. He probably needs it to be set to 
WindowsLatin1 or Western European 8859-1 or Western European 1250. These all 
seem to work for me, but his system and printer may be different.

Don



From linux at flippingdades.com  Thu Mar 15 15:04:09 2007
From: linux at flippingdades.com (Don Jungk)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 13:04:09 -0600
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
In-Reply-To: <45F965CB.3030006@howsoft.com>
References: <45F965CB.3030006@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <200703151304.09735.linux@flippingdades.com>

On Thursday 15 March 2007 9:27 am, Bob Warren wrote:
> Don:
>
> Although I am pushed for time today, I couldn't resist trying to carry
> out your suggestion immediately. I followed your instructions as best I
> could, but the result was a PS file that still didn't display in the
> Evince utility.
>
> However, since I have sent the whole original PS file created by Rev,
> and also the text in Portuguese I am trying to display, perhaps you
> could help me (us) correct it directly.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob

Bob,
Send the file directly to me, but if you can, zip it first to prevent any 
encoding changes by the email program.

As I told Jacqueline, I'm not an expert, but I have had some success. Fonts 
are definitely the hardest part.

Don


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Mar 15 19:59:57 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:59:57 -0700
Subject: OK to pass big data in 'the result'?
Message-ID: <45F9DDFD.30609@pdslabs.net>

Is anyone aware of any drawbacks in using 'the result' as a container for 
passing, say, a bunch of records from one handler to another? Like this:


on processRecords
   getRecords
   put the result into tRecordList
   repeat for each line tLine in it
     -- your code here
   end repeat
end processRecords


on getRecords
   put the uBigList of stack "XYZ" into tList
   delete stack "XYZ" -- to remove it from memory
   return tList
end getRecords


Any drawbacks? Speed or memory or other issues?

I realize there are clearer, cleaner ways to do this... in a new dev (read 
"perfect") world at least. But I'm not in that world at the moment.

Thanks -
Phil Davis


From mark at maseurope.net  Thu Mar 15 20:23:10 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:23:10 +0000
Subject: OK to pass big data in 'the result'?
In-Reply-To: <45F9DDFD.30609@pdslabs.net>
References: <45F9DDFD.30609@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <15F15708-FF65-4E3B-8671-F1339E3A3158@maseurope.net>

If the data is really big (which i guess is relative to how much RAM  
you have), then you're duplicating it, which could be quite  
inefficient ie. noticeably slow.

Unless there's some other reason not to, I might do

on processRecords
   repeat for each line tLine in the uBigList of stack "XYZ"
     --your code here
   end repeat
   delete stack "XYZ"
end processRecords

Having said that, I don't think there's any reason that 'the result'  
would be any better or worse than an ordinary variable in terms of  
speed/memory use.

Best,

Mark

On 15 Mar 2007, at 23:59, Phil Davis wrote:

> Is anyone aware of any drawbacks in using 'the result' as a  
> container for passing, say, a bunch of records from one handler to  
> another? Like this:
>
>
> on processRecords
>   getRecords
>   put the result into tRecordList
>   repeat for each line tLine in it
>     -- your code here
>   end repeat
> end processRecords
>
>
> on getRecords
>   put the uBigList of stack "XYZ" into tList
>   delete stack "XYZ" -- to remove it from memory
>   return tList
> end getRecords
>
>
> Any drawbacks? Speed or memory or other issues?
>
> I realize there are clearer, cleaner ways to do this... in a new  
> dev (read "perfect") world at least. But I'm not in that world at  
> the moment.
>
> Thanks -
> Phil Davis
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 20:38:16 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:38:16 +1000
Subject: OK to pass big data in 'the result'?
In-Reply-To: <45F9DDFD.30609@pdslabs.net>
References: <45F9DDFD.30609@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703151738n5d84601fnc1acfccc2f103376@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/16/07, Phil Davis <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:
> Is anyone aware of any drawbacks in using 'the result' as a container for
> passing, say, a bunch of records from one handler to another? Like this:
>
>
> on processRecords
>    getRecords
>    put the result into tRecordList
>    repeat for each line tLine in it
>      -- your code here
>    end repeat
> end processRecords
>
>
> on getRecords
>    put the uBigList of stack "XYZ" into tList
>    delete stack "XYZ" -- to remove it from memory
>    return tList
> end getRecords

I don't see any problems with this Phil. So long as the data is in
variables and not in fields, then access is extremely fast almost
regardless of size. As a matter of style, I would make getRecords a
function - as a general rule, if a handler has to return data, then
use a function.

So here is my version:

on processRecords
  put getRecords() into tRecordList
  -- other processing
end processRecords

function getRecords
  put the uBigList of stack "XYZ" into tList
  delete stack "XYZ" -- to remove it from memory
  return tList
end getRecords

Note the parentheses after the call to getRecord - with a function,
you have to have these and they would enclose any parameters if you
needed to send any.

Regards,
Sarah


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Thu Mar 15 20:40:54 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:40:54 -0700
Subject: OK to pass big data in 'the result'?
In-Reply-To: <45F9DDFD.30609@pdslabs.net>
References: <45F9DDFD.30609@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <p06240808c21f9669145d@[192.168.1.103]>

I don't think it's any different than returning from a 
function..although I haven't done it this way much. I'm not sure if 
you can pass arrays this way for instance but that could just be 
converted into a return-delimited table.

This would be useful for a custom Answer or Ask dialog that would 
work the same way with the same params.


>Is anyone aware of any drawbacks in using 'the result' as a 
>container for passing, say, a bunch of records from one handler to 
>another? Like this:
>
>
>on processRecords
>   getRecords
>   put the result into tRecordList
>   repeat for each line tLine in it
>     -- your code here
>   end repeat
>end processRecords
>
>
>on getRecords
>   put the uBigList of stack "XYZ" into tList
>   delete stack "XYZ" -- to remove it from memory
>   return tList
>end getRecords
>
>
>Any drawbacks? Speed or memory or other issues?
>
>I realize there are clearer, cleaner ways to do this... in a new dev 
>(read "perfect") world at least. But I'm not in that world at the 
>moment.
>
>Thanks -
>Phil Davis

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 15 21:21:42 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:21:42 -0500
Subject: OK to pass big data in 'the result'?
In-Reply-To: <15F15708-FF65-4E3B-8671-F1339E3A3158@maseurope.net>
References: <45F9DDFD.30609@pdslabs.net>
	<15F15708-FF65-4E3B-8671-F1339E3A3158@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <20070315202142425992.c5a8fc1f@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 00:23:10 +0000, Mark Smith wrote:

> If the data is really big (which i guess is relative to how much RAM 
> you have), then you're duplicating it, which could be quite 
> inefficient ie. noticeably slow.

Good point, Mark... although it might be more of an issue with RAM than 
speed. Perhaps better would be to use pass-by-reference variables so 
the data isn't duplicated:

on processRecords
  getRecords tRecordList
  repeat for each line tLine in tRecordList
    -- your code here
  end repeat
end processRecords

on getRecords @pVar
  put the uBigList of stack "XYZ" into pVar
  delete stack "XYZ" -- to remove it from memory
end getRecords


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Thu Mar 15 21:28:07 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:28:07 -0700
Subject: OK to pass big data in 'the result'?
In-Reply-To: <p06240808c21f9669145d@[192.168.1.103]>
References: <45F9DDFD.30609@pdslabs.net>
	<p06240808c21f9669145d@[192.168.1.103]>
Message-ID: <45F9F2A7.5020308@pdslabs.net>

Thanks everyone for the responses.


Stephen Barncard wrote:
> I don't think it's any different than returning from a 
> function..although I haven't done it this way much. I'm not sure if you 
> can pass arrays this way for instance but that could just be converted 
> into a return-delimited table.
> 
> This would be useful for a custom Answer or Ask dialog that would work 
> the same way with the same params.

Hi Stephen,

You could also use 'the dialogData' in that scenario.

Phil


> 
> 
>> Is anyone aware of any drawbacks in using 'the result' as a container 
>> for passing, say, a bunch of records from one handler to another? Like 
>> this:
>>
>>
>> on processRecords
>>   getRecords
>>   put the result into tRecordList
>>   repeat for each line tLine in it
>>     -- your code here
>>   end repeat
>> end processRecords
>>
>>
>> on getRecords
>>   put the uBigList of stack "XYZ" into tList
>>   delete stack "XYZ" -- to remove it from memory
>>   return tList
>> end getRecords
>>
>>
>> Any drawbacks? Speed or memory or other issues?
>>
>> I realize there are clearer, cleaner ways to do this... in a new dev 
>> (read "perfect") world at least. But I'm not in that world at the moment.
>>
>> Thanks -
>> Phil Davis
> 


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 21:29:47 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:29:47 -0700
Subject: OK to pass big data in 'the result'?
In-Reply-To: <45F9DDFD.30609@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <C21F411B.44049%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

> Is anyone aware of any drawbacks in using 'the result' as a container for
> passing, say, a bunch of records from one handler to another? Like this:
> 
You might want to pass "by reference", rather than duplication, but no
drawbacks I know of either way.
----------------------  2 examples (1 procedure + 1 function) ---------
on trythisON
  put "" into tRecordList
  combineVars tRecordList
  put tRecordList
end trythisON

on combineVars  @anyNameWeWant
  --this handler will work on -- tRecordList -- directly
  --anyNameWeWant is a pointer that "points to" the original var address
  --no passing involved
  --names don't have to be the same in each handler
  put "sand and seawater" into bucket
  put "sun glasses" into pocket
  put  bucket && pocket into anyNameWeWant
end combineVars

now type " trythisON" into the message box and press Enter

--------------------------------
--copy into a stack script container
on trythisFUNCTION
  put "sand and seawater" into bucket
  put "sun glasses" into pocket
  put "" into ans
  get combinedVars(bucket,pocket,ans)
  put ans
end trythisFUNCTION


function combinedVars @aaa, @bbb, @ccc
  --this function will work on the variables directly
  --no passing involved
  --names don't have to be the same in each handler
  
  answer "the 'aaa' var name = " & aaa
  put aaa && bbb into ccc
  return ""
end combinedVars
---- end copy
now type " trythisFUNCTION" into the message box and press Enter

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/15/07 4:59 PM, "Phil Davis" <revdev at pdslabs.net> wrote:

> Is anyone aware of any drawbacks in using 'the result' as a container for
> passing, say, a bunch of records from one handler to another? Like this:
> 
> 
> on processRecords
>    getRecords
>    put the result into tRecordList
>    repeat for each line tLine in it
>      -- your code here
>    end repeat
> end processRecords
> 
> 
> on getRecords
>    put the uBigList of stack "XYZ" into tList
>    delete stack "XYZ" -- to remove it from memory
>    return tList
> end getRecords
> 
> 
> Any drawbacks? Speed or memory or other issues?
> 
> I realize there are clearer, cleaner ways to do this... in a new dev (read
> "perfect") world at least. But I'm not in that world at the moment.
> 
> Thanks -
> Phil Davis
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar 15 21:45:04 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 22:45:04 -0300
Subject: Linux questions for Jacque
Message-ID: <45F9F6A0.3000409@howsoft.com>

Jacque:

Please see my answers below.

Bob Warren wrote:

> > Jacque:
> > 
> > I have just made another little test program so that I can type into the 
> > field. My wife's Ubuntu is in Portuguese, and she has an ABNT keyboard.
> > 
> > Of course, when she uses any program other than Rev (Word, Text Editor), 
> > everything is 100%.
> > 
> > On her computer, if I try typing Portuguese symbols into the field of 
> > the test stack, I get nothing but junk (pairs of symbols). The 
> > characters that correspond to English ones come out OK.
> > 
> > If I paste Portuguese text into the test field, it displays perfectly, 
> > but when trying to print, the result is the same as on my computer.
>   

Jacque wrote:

>This sounds suspiciously like a unicode issue to me. What does the 
message box tell you if you type:

   put the textfont of fld <whatever>

------------------------------------------------
I have no font set (in the properties) for the field in my test project, so it returns empty. However, I have tried setting the field's font to "courier" and the size to 14 for example. Trying that again now, it still produces an incorrect PS file of course, but "put the textfont of fld <whatever>" correctly returns "courier". The appearance of the field is correct (courier 14).
------------------------------------------------

>If the text isn't all one font, you should see "mixed".

------------------------------------------------
The text is all one font.

------------------------------------------------
>When you paste 
unicode text into a field, the textfont will change to a unicode font 
for the pasted chunk. If you can calculate it, try getting the text 
offsets for a pasted chunk and ask the message box this:

  the textfont of char <x> to <y> of fld <whatever>

What do you get back? Is it just something like "Ariel" or is two words 
separated by a comma?

------------------------------------------------
put the length of field "test" >> 290
put the textfont of char 1 to 290 of field "test" >> EMPTY!!!!!!
put the textfont of char 2 to 3 of field "test" >> EMPTY

Aha!



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 15 22:28:17 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:28:17 -0500
Subject: Linux questions for Jacque
In-Reply-To: <45F9F6A0.3000409@howsoft.com>
References: <45F9F6A0.3000409@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <45FA00C1.7080301@hyperactivesw.com>

Bob Warren wrote:

> put the length of field "test" >> 290
> put the textfont of char 1 to 290 of field "test" >> EMPTY!!!!!!
> put the textfont of char 2 to 3 of field "test" >> EMPTY
> 
> Aha!

Actually, this is probably correct. Fields can have a textfont property 
independent of the text chunks inside it. That allows you to have a 
field's textfont set to Courier and a text chunk in the same field set 
to something else. If you haven't specifically set the textfont of char 
1 to 290, then it will be empty and instead it will inherit the field's 
font.

What this tells me though is that it is most likely not a unicode issue. 
I was wondering if your problem might be related to the printing failure 
of Japanese fonts that popped up in another thread. Guess not.

One more thing to try: instead of pasting the accented characters from 
another app, try putting them in using numToChar(). Your fonts may 
differ from the ones I have on my Mac, but in Courier, for example, the 
two accented "e"s are numToChar(142) and numToChar(143). I could insert 
these into a field without pasting by saying:

   put numToChar(143) into char 1 of fld 1

I wonder if doing it this way would produce characters that Rev can 
print. Maybe there is something about pasting from another program that 
is making a difference.

If that doesn't work, then a short, 1-card stack with a sample field 
that fails to print would be a good thing to submit to the QC Center. It 
should print, RR has verified that, so if it doesn't it needs fixing.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From martinblackman at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 23:36:41 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 12:36:41 +0900
Subject: Printing and previewing
In-Reply-To: <A9B847BC-194A-4569-94CC-FFDBC2E42E0B@major-k.de>
References: <1CC957D5-62E5-4EFE-B34E-DA40A735EA81@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210703041557k5011b0e6r1c9a5690d95f0df0@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150232q26a55ff4x55383b187bb71015@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210703150236q5330ab8fi25c57e147e73eb35@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150431i313289abq780d52b49039e88b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7E00E4E-B44D-475F-8BC5-B421E742E538@major-k.de>
	<79d1bee70703150636m3eec96aew4bda8e8a0896435d@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9B847BC-194A-4569-94CC-FFDBC2E42E0B@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70703152036l6b422f0q20e9311071ec32f6@mail.gmail.com>

When you say invisible do you mean you can see the image by using 'show image'?
There could be platform / rev version differences at play.

>
> i created 2 teststacks, modified your script a little bit for these
> stacks and ended
> with a nice, correct yet invisible screenshot of the "printstack"s
> content!
>
>
>
> Did I miss something?
>
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Mar 16 00:19:05 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 21:19:05 -0700
Subject: Linux questions for Jacque
In-Reply-To: <45FA00C1.7080301@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45F9F6A0.3000409@howsoft.com> <45FA00C1.7080301@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <45FA1AB9.1070604@pdslabs.net>

I haven't been following this thread very closely, but I've used the htmlText to 
correctly display Arabic (after reversing the order of the entities). There's 
more to it than that, but... If you can manage the display of Arabic using the 
htmlText field property, maybe something similar could work for Japanese.

Food for thought...
Phil Davis


J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Bob Warren wrote:
> 
>> put the length of field "test" >> 290
>> put the textfont of char 1 to 290 of field "test" >> EMPTY!!!!!!
>> put the textfont of char 2 to 3 of field "test" >> EMPTY
>>
>> Aha!
> 
> Actually, this is probably correct. Fields can have a textfont property 
> independent of the text chunks inside it. That allows you to have a 
> field's textfont set to Courier and a text chunk in the same field set 
> to something else. If you haven't specifically set the textfont of char 
> 1 to 290, then it will be empty and instead it will inherit the field's 
> font.
> 
> What this tells me though is that it is most likely not a unicode issue. 
> I was wondering if your problem might be related to the printing failure 
> of Japanese fonts that popped up in another thread. Guess not.
> 
> One more thing to try: instead of pasting the accented characters from 
> another app, try putting them in using numToChar(). Your fonts may 
> differ from the ones I have on my Mac, but in Courier, for example, the 
> two accented "e"s are numToChar(142) and numToChar(143). I could insert 
> these into a field without pasting by saying:
> 
>   put numToChar(143) into char 1 of fld 1
> 
> I wonder if doing it this way would produce characters that Rev can 
> print. Maybe there is something about pasting from another program that 
> is making a difference.
> 
> If that doesn't work, then a short, 1-card stack with a sample field 
> that fails to print would be a good thing to submit to the QC Center. It 
> should print, RR has verified that, so if it doesn't it needs fixing.
> 


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 00:30:09 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:30:09 +1000
Subject: Switching screen res on OS X
Message-ID: <f99b52860703152130v710405fu14a0cb45fb09ead2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Several times people have asked how to change screen resolution
programmatically. I usually recommended the Terminal command "cscreen"
but it is no longer under development and it does not handle all
resolutions especially the "stretched" ones.

I have now found another option called SwitchResX
<http://www.switchres.info/html/SRX/About.html>. It is not free, but
it is a lot more powerful and as it is AppleScriptable, you can use it
in your scripts once it is installed.

Cheers,
Sarah


From Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no  Fri Mar 16 03:25:17 2007
From: Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:25:17 +0100
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
In-Reply-To: <64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu>
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no>
	<20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com>
	<64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>


> I agree with Ken. It would not hurt and would probably help to update  
> your materials to the newest version of rev. At a minimum, you should  
> re-build the "portal" standalone with the latest rev engine. In my  
> view that would help legacy stacks survive longer.
> 
> Devin
> 
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University

Good morning and thanks to both Ken Ray and you for your advice. When you say
the latest rev engine, do you mean 2.8? I have only 2.7, if I bought 2.8 would I
have to install Vista? What about testing on Window XP then? Can both systems be
present at the same time?

Signe Marie


From wjm at wjm.org  Fri Mar 16 05:14:51 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:14:51 -0400
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
Message-ID: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi everyone,

I'm helping to prepare some data sheets for RunRev on the topics of 
FileMaker, SuperCard, and Visual Basic. Basically, trying to understand how 
Revolution compares with those products in real-world usage. The result 
would be some narrative, concrete examples, and a comparison chart for each.

If you have knowledge using these other products I would very much 
appreciate talking with you about your experiences and in which situations 
you would use either Rev or the other product. Please contact me off-list 
at:

bill.marriott(at)runrev.com

Thanks in advance!

- Bill 





From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Mar 16 05:17:55 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:17:55 +0100
Subject: Printing and previewing
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70703152036l6b422f0q20e9311071ec32f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1CC957D5-62E5-4EFE-B34E-DA40A735EA81@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210703041557k5011b0e6r1c9a5690d95f0df0@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150232q26a55ff4x55383b187bb71015@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210703150236q5330ab8fi25c57e147e73eb35@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150431i313289abq780d52b49039e88b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7E00E4E-B44D-475F-8BC5-B421E742E538@major-k.de>
	<79d1bee70703150636m3eec96aew4bda8e8a0896435d@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9B847BC-194A-4569-94CC-FFDBC2E42E0B@major-k.de>
	<79d1bee70703152036l6b422f0q20e9311071ec32f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <485FDA15-3D5D-41F1-805C-82AF2240889E@major-k.de>

Hi Martin

> When you say invisible do you mean you can see the image by using  
> 'show image'?

"invisible" means "invisible", since that was in YOUR code:

...
> create invisible image imgname in group "Pages" of stack  
> "PrintPreview"
> export snapshot from rect trect of window tWinID to pictvar as JPEG
> put pictvar into image imgname of stack "PrintPreview"
...

> There could be platform / rev version differences at play.

"invisible" is in fact crossversion and crossplatform ;-)


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From klaus at major-k.de  Fri Mar 16 05:20:39 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:20:39 +0100
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
In-Reply-To: <1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no>
	<20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com>
	<64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu>
	<1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>
Message-ID: <F8878BA9-D8EC-43E0-A954-D9454D3B2046@major-k.de>

Hello Signe Marie,

>
>> I agree with Ken. It would not hurt and would probably help to update
>> your materials to the newest version of rev. At a minimum, you should
>> re-build the "portal" standalone with the latest rev engine. In my
>> view that would help legacy stacks survive longer.
>>
>> Devin
>>
>> Devin Asay
>> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
>> Brigham Young University
>
> Good morning and thanks to both Ken Ray and you for your advice.  
> When you say
> the latest rev engine, do you mean 2.8? I have only 2.7, if I  
> bought 2.8 would I
> have to install Vista? What about testing on Window XP then? Can  
> both systems be
> present at the same time?

No no, you don't have to install VISTA to use 2.8, have mercy!!!! :-D

2.8 is the latest Rev (or MC engine) release and is now compatible  
with Windows VISTA, that's all.

> Signe Marie

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From mark_powell at symantec.com  Fri Mar 16 08:21:54 2007
From: mark_powell at symantec.com (Mark Powell)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 05:21:54 -0700
Subject: Bkgnd process that returns immediately
Message-ID: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C704071BA7@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>

A 2005 thread (from Brian, Xavier, Chipp, et. al) talked about
re-direction to achieve a non-blocking shell call, using 

 get shell("mycommand > mylogfile.log &")

My brain cannot get this to work.  Let's say I want Rev to start
"C:\blah.html" using shell(), and then continue executing downstream Rev
handlers.  I've tried variations of

 get shell("start > C:\blah.html &")

and

 get shell("start > C:\shellTemp.txt &")

      where shellTemp.text contains 
       C:\blah.html
      among other variations

but nothing works.  The following 

  get shell("start C:\blah.html &")

does work, but it is blocking.

I understand the ampersand performs a handoff but am ignorant of the
overall sequence of events.  What am I doing wrong?  

Mark



From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Fri Mar 16 08:52:29 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:52:29 +0100
Subject: Bkgnd process that returns immediately
In-Reply-To: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C704071BA7@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
Message-ID: <OFD2AFAB85.AB399D20-ONC12572A0.00468C52-C12572A0.0046B950@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi Mark,

I just dont use the ampersand and it works like a charm...

cheers
---------------------=---------------------
Xavier

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 16/03/2007 13:21:54:

> A 2005 thread (from Brian, Xavier, Chipp, et. al) talked about
> re-direction to achieve a non-blocking shell call, using 
> 
>  get shell("mycommand > mylogfile.log &")
> 
> My brain cannot get this to work.  Let's say I want Rev to start
> "C:\blah.html" using shell(), and then continue executing downstream Rev
> handlers.  I've tried variations of
> 
>  get shell("start > C:\blah.html &")
> 
> and
> 
>  get shell("start > C:\shellTemp.txt &")
> 
>       where shellTemp.text contains 
>        C:\blah.html
>       among other variations
> 
> but nothing works.  The following 
> 
>   get shell("start C:\blah.html &")
> 
> does work, but it is blocking.
> 
> I understand the ampersand performs a handoff but am ignorant of the
> overall sequence of events.  What am I doing wrong? 
> 
> Mark
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 16 11:12:46 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:12:46 -0700
Subject: Thank for suggest to build website by runrev.
Message-ID: <45FAB3EE.9010108@fourthworld.com>

Bill Marriott wrote:
> Also, just because it can be used as a CGI doesn't mean this is the only way 
> to use Rev to build a website. You can write a desktop-based content 
> management system in Rev that uploads static HTML files via FTP, for 
> example. And many other possibilities.

Indeed:

<http://www.macworld.com/2003/03/reviews/reviewsinbrief03/>
<http://www.fourthworld.com/products/webmerge/gallery.html>

:)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From david at openpartnership.net  Fri Mar 16 11:24:34 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:24:34 +0100
Subject: altBrowser: copy and paste does not work on OSX !
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703160824u497164ebq358528f4ca7dcfca@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks - good to know. And better to know it works on Windows :)

On 14/03/07, Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>
> > From: David Bovill <david at openpartnership.net>
> > Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:43:23 +0100
> > To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Subject: OSX - copy and paste in altBrowser?
> >
> > I still cannot figure out how to get copy and paste work between RunRev
> and
> > altBrowser?
> >
> > Is this not possible? Or is it a case of being an OSX focus issue, whcih
> can
> > be got round with some scripting? I'd like to be able to transfer text
> > generated in RunRev or copied from another application to a form shown
> in an
> > altBrowser window. No go or am I missing something?
>
> David - looks to me like this just doesn't work on OSX (works just fine
> under Windows). You might be able to come up with some sort of horrible
> hack
> that involves one or other of the altBrowser callbacks (e.g.
> XBrowser_click
> elementID,browserID) and setting the htmlText of the browser directly but
> it
> won't be much fun to either implement or use.
>
> Sorry I can't be more helpful.
>
> Regards,
>
> Terry...
>
> --
> Dr Terry Judd
> Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
> Biomedical Multimedia Unit
> Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
> The University of Melbourne
> Parkville VIC 3052
> AUSTRALIA
>
> 61-3 8344 0187
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From mark_powell at symantec.com  Fri Mar 16 11:52:36 2007
From: mark_powell at symantec.com (Mark Powell)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:52:36 -0700
Subject: Bkgnd process that returns immediately
References: <OFD2AFAB85.AB399D20-ONC12572A0.00468C52-C12572A0.0046B950@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C704071BFA@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>

> Xavier wrote:
> I just dont use the ampersand and it works like a charm...

Which one of the literal examples works for you?

  get shell("start > C:\blah.html")
  get shell("start > C:\shellTemp.txt")

If the second, then what is in the targeted file?



From david at openpartnership.net  Fri Mar 16 11:54:26 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:54:26 +0100
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
In-Reply-To: <1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no>
	<20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com>
	<64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu>
	<1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703160854q97ef3ddl3f9d0bc5845e83e7@mail.gmail.com>

Signe - while I'd agree with the purely technical advice given, I'd have to
be frank and say that I would never advise the University to do this. It
would be a waisted effort in my opinion for you or the university to spend
any further resources on software that neither has an internal developer
available or proper external support. They have in my opinion three options:

 1) Redevelop the software using standard web technology for which there are
many developers available.
 2) Buy a commercial package
 3) Adopt a mixed open source strategy

The first 2 will involve a significant up front cost, and most likely result
in limited (perhaps severely limited) functionality compared with a RunRev
approach, but will work out in the longer run. Either of these are the "safe
bet".

The last approach means a painstaking and somewhat risky attempt to share
development resources with other similar institutions and members of this
community (you mentioned Sivakatirswami). Unfortunately the present
community is not set up to develop open source projects where there is not a
strong vested interest (the Metacard IDE). This will I believe and hope will
change for the better in the near future. It has the advantage of costing
only time - but that is a cost. It also has no guarantee of success, but
putting more time into upgrading RunRev based software - without the
likelihood of gaining another dedicated developer is not going to work
either.

If you think you would like to explore the latter (3), my guess is you may
get a few people on this list interested enough to look at how we could host
and develop shared code for use in Educational environments (you can include
me) - if there is a will within the University and it matches a similar need
outside - then you have an open source project. That backed with a little
petty cash to pay developers (not me :) from this list and your in business.
If not I'd advise against using Rev and go for 1) or 2).

Hope that doesn't put a downer on things.

On 16/03/07, Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no <Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no> wrote:
>
>
> > I agree with Ken. It would not hurt and would probably help to update
> > your materials to the newest version of rev. At a minimum, you should
> > re-build the "portal" standalone with the latest rev engine. In my
> > view that would help legacy stacks survive longer.
> >
> > Devin
> >
> > Devin Asay
> > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> > Brigham Young University
>
> Good morning and thanks to both Ken Ray and you for your advice. When you
> say
> the latest rev engine, do you mean 2.8? I have only 2.7, if I bought 2.8would I
> have to install Vista? What about testing on Window XP then? Can both
> systems be
> present at the same time?
>
> Signe Marie
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 16 12:18:55 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:18:55 +0000
Subject: Export Snapshot question
In-Reply-To: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <0D1372C2-B189-4EC5-B65B-EEAEA8C12B85@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I need to export a snapshot in a non-compressed format, from looking  
at the documentation I can export in the following formats:

JPEG
GIF
PNG
PBM
PGM
PPM

JPEG is no good for what I want since it is lossy. GIF is no good  
because it only supports 8 bit color and I need 24 bit (if not 32 bit  
with Alpha Channel) I'm not sure what PBM, PGM or PPM are? Which  
leaves PNG which uses lossless compression, however what are the  
defaults for the image? (Pixel Size, Component Size etc.). Also, is  
there a way to specify the settings?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From wjm at wjm.org  Fri Mar 16 13:02:06 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:02:06 -0400
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <eteiid$q5p$1@sea.gmane.org>

Oh, and add to the list, RealBASIC and Director

"Bill Marriott" <wjm at wjm.org> wrote in message 
news:etdn6u$l10$1 at sea.gmane.org...
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm helping to prepare some data sheets for RunRev on the topics of 
> FileMaker, SuperCard, and Visual Basic. Basically, trying to understand 
> how Revolution compares with those products in real-world usage. The 
> result would be some narrative, concrete examples, and a comparison chart 
> for each.
>
> If you have knowledge using these other products I would very much 
> appreciate talking with you about your experiences and in which situations 
> you would use either Rev or the other product. Please contact me off-list 
> at:
>
> bill.marriott(at)runrev.com
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> - Bill





From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar 16 13:06:38 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:06:38 -0300
Subject: Linux questions for Jacque
Message-ID: <45FACE9E.9040509@howsoft.com>

Jacque:

I'll try the experiment you suggest, but I think your last suggestion is 
probably the best one. I'll do it over the weekend if I can. And don't 
forget that I said I couldn't even TYPE accented characters correctly 
into a field. That applies not only on my own computer where Ubuntu is 
installed in English and I need a special key-sequence for the accented 
chars on my American International Keyboard, it also applies to my 
wife's machine where she has Ubuntu installed in Portuguese and she uses 
an ABNT keyboard.

Whatever is wrong with Rev/Linux 2.6.1 in this respect won't of course 
get fixed, but it would be a good idea to try and make sure as far as 
possible that none of this difficulty appears in the next release.

When I send Technical Support a copy of my test program, if you REALLY 
wanted to, i.e. you are dying of curiosity,  you could see what I am 
talking about yourself simply by copying Rev/Linux and my example 
project to the Desktop of a running Ubuntu Live CD. It's as simple as 
that: no installation of Linux or Rev is necessary. Just a thought...

[I'd just like to see someone do that with Windows!!!]

Bob

Bob Warren wrote:

>  put the length of field "test" >> 290
> > put the textfont of char 1 to 290 of field "test" >> EMPTY!!!!!!
> > put the textfont of char 2 to 3 of field "test" >> EMPTY
> > 
> > Aha!
>   
Jacque wrote:

>Actually, this is probably correct. Fields can have a textfont property 
independent of the text chunks inside it. That allows you to have a 
field's textfont set to Courier and a text chunk in the same field set 
to something else. If you haven't specifically set the textfont of char 
1 to 290, then it will be empty and instead it will inherit the field's 
font.

What this tells me though is that it is most likely not a unicode issue. 
I was wondering if your problem might be related to the printing failure 
of Japanese fonts that popped up in another thread. Guess not.

One more thing to try: instead of pasting the accented characters from 
another app, try putting them in using numToChar(). Your fonts may 
differ from the ones I have on my Mac, but in Courier, for example, the 
two accented "e"s are numToChar(142) and numToChar(143). I could insert 
these into a field without pasting by saying:

   put numToChar(143) into char 1 of fld 1

I wonder if doing it this way would produce characters that Rev can 
print. Maybe there is something about pasting from another program that 
is making a difference.

If that doesn't work, then a short, 1-card stack with a sample field 
that fails to print would be a good thing to submit to the QC Center. It 
should print, RR has verified that, so if it doesn't it needs fixing.





From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Mar 16 13:12:08 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:12:08 -0700
Subject: Export Snapshot question
In-Reply-To: <0D1372C2-B189-4EC5-B65B-EEAEA8C12B85@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <C2201DF8.215C8%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Dave wrote:

> I need to export a snapshot in a non-compressed format, from looking
> at the documentation I can export in the following formats:
> 
> JPEG
> GIF
> PNG
> PBM
> PGM
> PPM
> 
> JPEG is no good for what I want since it is lossy. GIF is no good
> because it only supports 8 bit color and I need 24 bit (if not 32 bit
> with Alpha Channel) I'm not sure what PBM, PGM or PPM are?

I believe these are formats for Unix but someone else may know better.

> Which  
> leaves PNG which uses lossless compression, however what are the
> defaults for the image? (Pixel Size, Component Size etc.).

Not sure what you mean by 'defaults' but if you have a 400 x 300 image, it
will export with those dimensions at (I believe) the native display
resolution.  I don't believe there are any configurable settings for PNG.

Also, you may not want to rule out JPEG.  Depending on what your app does, a
JPEG image with minimum compression (JPEGQuality = 100) should have very
minimal loss.  If you need alpha channel support, however, PNG is your only
option.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com




From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 16 13:25:19 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:25:19 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <0D1372C2-B189-4EC5-B65B-EEAEA8C12B85@looktowindward.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<0D1372C2-B189-4EC5-B65B-EEAEA8C12B85@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <3BF7DD6A-B878-49C4-9B80-DEF18AEBC10B@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

Please take a look at the handler copied below. This is an adaptation  
of Ian Wood's "export snapshot.rev" stack that can be downloaded from  
Rev Online.

I have changed in to use .png files instead of JPEG file, changed the  
counter rectangle graphic object to have an all green background (RGB  
= 0,255,0), I then select 500 iterations and press the "export from  
snapshot from object" button, this writes 288 files and then gives an  
execution error:

"export can't write to file, mask file or container  289.png"

  export snapshot from grp "counter" to file tDest as PNG

I also tried this without setting the background color and this does  
write all 500 files, but RunRev crashes  (unexpectedly quits) doing  
something unrelated a short while later. Also when this is running,  
the first 50 to 100 files go quite quickly but after that it starts  
to slow down.

Has anyone else seen this? I'm running on a Mac Pro, Mac OS 10.4.9  
RunRev 2.8.0.350.

I really need to get this to work correctly as I have do another demo  
next week and this is 90% of it!

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave


on doExport tType
   local tNum
   local twID
   local tFol
   local tDest

   put text of fld "number" into tNum
   put the windowID of this stack into twID
   put text of fld "export folder" into tFol
   if there is not a folder tFol then
     answer "Export folder not found!"
     exit to top
   end if
   set the defaultfolder to tFol

   repeat with x = 1 to tNum
     if the mouse is down then
       exit to top
     end if
     put x & ".png" into tDest

     --> do all your animation etc. here
     put x into fld "counter" of grp "counter"

     --> now export the file
     --> if using rev 2.7 and above you can use the 'object' syntax  
where the image will not be affected by other objects or windows on  
top of the object
     if tType is "object" then
       export snapshot from grp "counter" to file tDest as PNG
     end if

     --> If using Rev 2.6 or below, you will have to do use the older  
syntax and makes sure this is the frontmost window!
     if tType is "area" then
       export snapshot from rect (rect of grp "counter") of window  
twID to file tDest as PNG
     end if
   end repeat
   answer "Done!"
end doExport



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar 16 13:31:42 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:31:42 -0300
Subject: Linux questions for Jacque
Message-ID: <45FAD47E.3090501@howsoft.com>

Phil Davis wrote:

>I haven't been following this thread very closely, but I've used the htmlText to 
correctly display Arabic (after reversing the order of the entities). There's 
more to it than that, but... If you can manage the display of Arabic using the 
htmlText field property, maybe something similar could work for Japanese.

Food for thought...

---------------------------
I've also tried mucking around with htmlText myself in an attempt to find a workaround (in Portuguese that is). No luck so far.

Bob 



From mlange at widged.com  Fri Mar 16 13:33:03 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:33:03 +0000
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>

One thought bringing another.

Various persons have complained about the absence of good resources  
for newbies... well, all tools are there to create these resources.  
If on wikibooks, anybody has the opportunity to correct anything at  
anytime.

Joe, any way some of the material you wrote at:
<http://www.macinstruct.com/codemojo>

Or Devin, the excellent material at:
<http://revolution.byu.edu/chum281.001/schedule.html>
<http://revolution.byu.edu/chum381/schedule.php>

Could be used to create a revolution programming textbook on wikibooks:
<http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ruby_Programming>
<http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Non-Programmer%27s_Tutorial_for_Python/ 
Hello%2C_World>

Any other material out there we may have the right to re-use if we  
were to start a few pages on revolution programming there?

Best regards,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education







From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Fri Mar 16 13:38:05 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:38:05 +0200 (FLE Standard Time)
Subject: image resize syntax in rev 2.8
References: <0D1372C2-B189-4EC5-B65B-EEAEA8C12B85@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <45FAD5FD.000001.03916@MAZYTIS>

Hi, 
 
Somehow I am not able to find description of image resize function in
dictionary of revstudio 2.8. I think it is implemented in rev 2.8 (quite
recently have seen it advertised somewhere, just can't remember where..),
but can't find any usage instructions... Would be much grateful for any hint
on syntax of this function. 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras


From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 16 13:43:29 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 17:43:29 +0000
Subject: Export Snapshot question
In-Reply-To: <C2201DF8.215C8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C2201DF8.215C8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <349B636D-D9C2-45D1-ADB3-C896F9948A68@looktowindward.com>


On 16 Mar 2007, at 17:12, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, Dave wrote:
>
>> I need to export a snapshot in a non-compressed format, from looking
>> at the documentation I can export in the following formats:
>>
>> JPEG
>> GIF
>> PNG
>> PBM
>> PGM
>> PPM
>>
>> JPEG is no good for what I want since it is lossy. GIF is no good
>> because it only supports 8 bit color and I need 24 bit (if not 32 bit
>> with Alpha Channel) I'm not sure what PBM, PGM or PPM are?
>
> I believe these are formats for Unix but someone else may know better.
>
>> Which
>> leaves PNG which uses lossless compression, however what are the
>> defaults for the image? (Pixel Size, Component Size etc.).
>
> Not sure what you mean by 'defaults' but if you have a 400 x 300  
> image, it
> will export with those dimensions at (I believe) the native display
> resolution.  I don't believe there are any configurable settings  
> for PNG.
>
> Also, you may not want to rule out JPEG.  Depending on what your  
> app does, a
> JPEG image with minimum compression (JPEGQuality = 100) should have  
> very
> minimal loss.  If you need alpha channel support, however, PNG is  
> your only
> option.
>
> Regards,

Thanks Scott, this for TV broadcast equipment and 100% cannot have  
any loss of data. For the PNG option I meant what is the Pixel Size  
for the PNG file? 8 Bit, 24 Bit or 32 Bit? The documentation says it  
will output an alpha channel but I not sure how it decides to do this?

All the Best
Dave




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 16 13:44:53 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:44:53 -0700
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
Message-ID: <45FAD795.4060306@fourthworld.com>

Marielle Lange wrote:
> Any other material out there we may have the right to re-use if we  
> were to start a few pages on revolution programming there?

I'm not sure it's necessary to replicate content, but you're welcome to 
link to any of the fine articles community members have contributed to 
revJournal over the years:

<http://www.revjournal.com/>

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar 16 13:58:08 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:58:08 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45FADAB0.2080103@howsoft.com>

Don wrote:

>If he is opening the ps file in a text editor, he might want to check what 
text encoding the editor is using. He probably needs it to be set to 
WindowsLatin1 or Western European 8859-1 or Western European 1250. These all 
seem to work for me, but his system and printer may be different.

------------------------------------------------
Before copying the Portuguese text from the Ubuntu Text Editor into the field of the Rev stack, I have tried altering the "Set Language" option (Text Editor) by changing from English (American) to Portuguese (Brazilian). The appearance of the text in the Rev field is exactly the same, and it still fails to produce a correct PS file.

-----------------------------------------------
>Bob,
Send the file directly to me, but if you can, zip it first to prevent any 
encoding changes by the email program.

As I told Jacqueline, I'm not an expert, but I have had some success. Fonts 
are definitely the hardest part.

----------------------------------------------------------------
DONE. Thanks very much for your interest, Don.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 16 13:59:34 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 10:59:34 -0700
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
Message-ID: <45FADB06.1070306@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
> Please take a look at the handler copied below. This is an adaptation  
> of Ian Wood's "export snapshot.rev" stack that can be downloaded from  
> Rev Online.
> 
> I have changed in to use .png files instead of JPEG file, changed the  
> counter rectangle graphic object to have an all green background (RGB  
> = 0,255,0), I then select 500 iterations and press the "export from  
> snapshot from object" button, this writes 288 files and then gives an  
> execution error:
> 
> "export can't write to file, mask file or container  289.png"
> 
>   export snapshot from grp "counter" to file tDest as PNG
> 
> I also tried this without setting the background color and this does  
> write all 500 files, but RunRev crashes  (unexpectedly quits) doing  
> something unrelated a short while later. Also when this is running,  
> the first 50 to 100 files go quite quickly but after that it starts  
> to slow down.
> 
> Has anyone else seen this? I'm running on a Mac Pro, Mac OS 10.4.9  
> RunRev 2.8.0.350.

I simplified the script to make it easier to set up here, and since 
you're using v2.8 I removed the portion for earlier versions:


on mouseUp
   local tNum
   local twID
   local tFol
   local tDest

   put 500 into tNum
   put the windowID of this stack into twID
   put "/Users/rg/Desktop/untitled folder/" into tFol
   set the defaultfolder to tFol

   repeat with x = 1 to tNum
     if the mouse is down then
       exit to top
     end if
     put x & ".png" into tDest
     put x into fld "counter"
     export snapshot from grp 1 to file tDest as PNG
   end repeat
   answer "Done!"
end mouseUp

Running this script twice in both MC and Rev completed without error, 
and afterwards the memory allocation for each was roughly the same as 
before.

What suggests this crash is specifically a memory leak?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Mar 16 14:02:23 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:02:23 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <3BF7DD6A-B878-49C4-9B80-DEF18AEBC10B@looktowindward.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<0D1372C2-B189-4EC5-B65B-EEAEA8C12B85@looktowindward.com>
	<3BF7DD6A-B878-49C4-9B80-DEF18AEBC10B@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <47B0F5DC-09C4-458B-97BA-2DDDD6569CC5@azurevision.co.uk>


On 16 Mar 2007, at 17:25, Dave wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Please take a look at the handler copied below. This is an  
> adaptation of Ian Wood's "export snapshot.rev" stack that can be  
> downloaded from Rev Online.

Oops.

What I *hadn't* said about the stack is that it was put together as  
part of a bug-hunting exercise which I haven't yet reported on  
Bugzilla. :-(

Export snapshot appears not to release RAM once it has been used an  
unknown number of times. BUT - it's only in the IDE as standalones  
are fine. This is with 10.4.8, Rev 2.7.4 & 2.8.0.

How did I find this out? Running a soak test on my QTVR to video app,  
only to come back later and find that a G5 with 4GB RAM was running  
out of memory...

Ian


From mlange at widged.com  Fri Mar 16 14:08:02 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:08:02 +0000
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <45FAD795.4060306@fourthworld.com>
References: <45FAD795.4060306@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4C4D8C70-1191-41B1-86B4-038ED11521E1@widged.com>

> Marielle Lange wrote:
>> Any other material out there we may have the right to re-use if  
>> we  were to start a few pages on revolution programming there?
>
> I'm not sure it's necessary to replicate content, but you're  
> welcome to link to any of the fine articles community members have  
> contributed to revJournal over the years:
>
> <http://www.revjournal.com/>

Thanks for this, Richard. I am against replication as well... more  
trying to find a way to integrate all different resources into one  
good manual ;-).

Marielle




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 16 14:13:17 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:13:17 -0700
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <3BF7DD6A-B878-49C4-9B80-DEF18AEBC10B@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <C2202C4D.440B7%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/16/07 10:25 AM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:

> Please take a look at the handler copied below. This is an adaptation
> of Ian Wood's "export snapshot.rev" stack that can be downloaded from
> Rev Online.

> I also tried this without setting the background color and this does
> write all 500 files, but RunRev crashes  (unexpectedly quits) doing
> something unrelated a short while later. Also when this is running,
> the first 50 to 100 files go quite quickly but after that it starts
> to slow down.
> 
> Has anyone else seen this? I'm running on a Mac Pro, Mac OS 10.4.9
> RunRev 2.8.0.350.
> 
> I really need to get this to work correctly as I have do another demo
> next week and this is 90% of it!
I don't do much of this, but there are a couple bug reports dealing with
import, export and images.  You might check this out before building too
much on something that is not fixed yet.

The slow down part is probably related to the Mac Finder and the HD maint.
I see the same type of  speed change writing text files on WinXP.

You might see if 
-- adding a slight wait of 30 milliseconds helps Rev
-- exporting from a substack that you close out of Rev memory and thus maybe
purge a dangling heap address in the subStack (possible cause of a crash)

--re-think the demo as a beta that runs slower
--run as a slower-timed background process

--does the crash occur if tested by exporting to a single variable
repeatedly, thus not dealing with the hard drive file writing

Of course, there may be a more robust way of doing this with an AppleScript
app as an agent.

Hope this helps

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Fri Mar 16 14:19:22 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:19:22 +0100
Subject: Bkgnd process that returns immediately
In-Reply-To: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C704071BFA@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
Message-ID: <OFE5008645.37E3E90D-ONC12572A0.00636207-C12572A0.0064A68B@deutsche-boerse.com>

Hi Mark,

actually neither of those will do anything... you forgot to put in a 
command between start and the '>' redirect command...


for example:
(diruse gets you the size of a folder for example)

get shell("diruse /m" && thisshare & "findstr /i sub-total")  -- retrieves 
the size of a share on a server which can take lots of time!

works but blocks ya waiting for an answer...

so what you should do is 

put "diruse /m,* \\buffet\mysharename > 
\\buffet\spacelogs$\diruse\bufduser20061127.log" into mycommand
get  "start cmd /c"  && quote & mycommand & quote
get shell(it) 

this will do what you want!

as simple and stupid as you think DOS can be, there's always more to learn 
and remember which may not always be so intuitive!!

cheers
Xavier

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 16/03/2007 16:52:36:

> > Xavier wrote:
> > I just dont use the ampersand and it works like a charm...
> 
> Which one of the literal examples works for you?
> 
>   get shell("start > C:\blah.html")
>   get shell("start > C:\shellTemp.txt")
> 
> If the second, then what is in the targeted file?
> 
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 16 14:21:09 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:21:09 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <45FADB06.1070306@fourthworld.com>
References: <45FADB06.1070306@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <66CCCD48-B50E-4FAC-9CB9-5935FBC3CE79@looktowindward.com>


On 16 Mar 2007, at 17:59, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> I simplified the script to make it easier to set up here, and since  
> you're using v2.8 I removed the portion for earlier versions:
>
> on mouseUp
>   local tNum
>   local twID
>   local tFol
>   local tDest
>
>   put 500 into tNum
>   put the windowID of this stack into twID
>   put "/Users/rg/Desktop/untitled folder/" into tFol
>   set the defaultfolder to tFol
>
>   repeat with x = 1 to tNum
>     if the mouse is down then
>       exit to top
>     end if
>     put x & ".png" into tDest
>     put x into fld "counter"
>     export snapshot from grp 1 to file tDest as PNG
>   end repeat
>   answer "Done!"
> end mouseUp
>
> Running this script twice in both MC and Rev completed without  
> error, and afterwards the memory allocation for each was roughly  
> the same as before.
>
> What suggests this crash is specifically a memory leak?

Hi,

Just a guess really, I have had this kind of problem when my external  
commands (not being used in this test) had a memory leak and the  
performance went right down and RunRev acted in a similar way.

Not really sure if it is a leak, just seems like the most likely.  
It's interesting that it works on you setup though. What version of  
Mac OS are you using?

All the Best
Dave










From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 16 14:24:25 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:24:25 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <47B0F5DC-09C4-458B-97BA-2DDDD6569CC5@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<0D1372C2-B189-4EC5-B65B-EEAEA8C12B85@looktowindward.com>
	<3BF7DD6A-B878-49C4-9B80-DEF18AEBC10B@looktowindward.com>
	<47B0F5DC-09C4-458B-97BA-2DDDD6569CC5@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <01098A14-1B17-42A8-8035-A659FC244AF2@looktowindward.com>


On 16 Mar 2007, at 18:02, Ian Wood wrote:

>
> On 16 Mar 2007, at 17:25, Dave wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Please take a look at the handler copied below. This is an  
>> adaptation of Ian Wood's "export snapshot.rev" stack that can be  
>> downloaded from Rev Online.
>
> Oops.
>
> What I *hadn't* said about the stack is that it was put together as  
> part of a bug-hunting exercise which I haven't yet reported on  
> Bugzilla. :-(
>
> Export snapshot appears not to release RAM once it has been used an  
> unknown number of times. BUT - it's only in the IDE as standalones  
> are fine. This is with 10.4.8, Rev 2.7.4 & 2.8.0.
>
> How did I find this out? Running a soak test on my QTVR to video  
> app, only to come back later and find that a G5 with 4GB RAM was  
> running out of memory...

Ok, thanks for this. I only have 2GB of RAM so it hits the problem  
sooner.

Richard reports that it works ok on his system, - Richard did you set  
the Fill Color of the Graphic to Green? Actually any color seems to  
cause it.

All the Best
Dave




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 16 14:25:41 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:25:41 -0700
Subject: Anyone see this same ?bug?
Message-ID: <C2202F35.440BC%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Seems to be a bug, or just an inconsistency.  Am I missing something about
Rev?

Error =   if: missing 'then'

  if "Version Alpha" is among the lines of the cardnames then
        answer "This has already been linked to a card"
        exit to top
 end if

This version works by adding parens

  if "Version Alpha" is among the lines of (the cardnames) then
        answer "This has already been linked to a card"
        exit to top
 end if

Mac OSX 10.4.7, Rev 2.7.2  IDEnvironment

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From wjm at wjm.org  Fri Mar 16 14:26:46 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:26:46 -0400
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no><20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com><64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu><1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>
	<c1c5836b0703160854q97ef3ddl3f9d0bc5845e83e7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etenh5$dbs$1@sea.gmane.org>

David,

> 1) Redevelop the software using standard web technology for which there 
> are
> many developers available.
> 2) Buy a commercial package
> 3) Adopt a mixed open source strategy

Unfortunately I cannot agree with you on *ANY* of these recommendations.

There's no guarantee (and I would argue, little potential) that these paths 
are going to ensure better long-term survivability than a Rev-based 
application that is running just fine on Windows Vista and Mac OS X today.

Regarding #1)

- So-called "standard web technology" is a moving target, faster-moving even 
than operating systems.
- It's a lot of development work and testing to get something approaching 
interactive multimedia on all major browser platforms today.
- When you do so, you're still relying on underlying multimedia libraries
- Revolution out-of-the-box provides superior capabilities for the end-user 
experience.

Regarding #2)

- There's very likely no such animal as an existing off-the-shelf product 
that does exactly what the existing solution does.
- Shoe-horning the solution into a product that might be "close enough" is 
simply trading one set of problems for another.
- Commercial products ain't free

Regarding #3)
- This is typical pie-in-the-sky "open source solves everything" wishful 
thinking and hand-waving
- Most of the issues that pertain to #2 and #3 apply here
- Anyone who's worked with open source knows it has its own bugs, issues and 
traps

Now, at BEST what you are saying is that you should spend significant 
time/effort/money NOW to solve a problem that may not occur for several 
years, if at all. Why? For all we know, the solution works fine as-is on 
current operating systems. If for some reason it doesn't (I suppose Vista is 
the most vulnerable) then, just grab Revolution 2.8 and re-save the 
standalone. Voila, you've just added 5 to 10 years of compatibility.

At WORST you are saying you should throw out perfectly good work for dubious 
returns with little guarantee that the end result will have the same 
functions and user experience... "just because."

Vista just came out "yesterday" and Intel-based Macs are not that much 
older. Do you really think a new generation of operating systems is going to 
be released imminently -- OSes that will somehow by default and unavoidably 
break hundreds of existing applications? And that large organizations are 
going to adopt that new paradigm, replace their hardware, and sacrifice 
their software infrastructure ... overnight?

Now a meta-comment:

If you really believe this, why the heck are you using Rev at all? These 
arguments could be used against any desktop application built with Rev, and 
undermine anyone trying to sell software based on the Rev platform.

For what it's worth, when I was testing Windows Vista I ran a standalone I 
created in July 2003 with Rev without recompiling. It worked just great. Of 
course I wasn't doing tricky stuff like registry edits but then again, how 
many standalones do that, and what is the chance an educational solution 
does so?

The truth is, Rev is the one development platform that "just works" across a 
vast array of operating systems and versions. You can run it on Windows 98. 
You can run it on Mac OS X 10.4.9. Yeah, I know there are glitches here and 
there, and you have to use 2.6.1 for Linux and Mac Classic (that will 
change). But understand that it DOES work and is remarkably robust. I'm not 
sure if MetaCard was available in 1997, but for all intents and purposes, 
those stacks still work fine a DECADE later, on both Windows 98 and Vista.

As for "resources" there are thousands of users of Rev, more each day, and 
I'm sure any of them would appreciate a referral for consulting should that 
dark day arrive when the apps finally, really do have to be updated or 
replaced. THAT is the time to worry about putting the train on different 
tracks... not today. (The Aztecs seem to think it's all over in 2012. 
Whatever comes first -- Rev apps breaking or the end of the world.)

I think for all practical purposes the answer to the original poster is: 
Find a Vista machine and try your stuff out. If for some reason it doesn't 
work, try re-building the standalone with Rev 2.8. It will undoubtedly work 
great and continue to do so for the forseeable future.

I'f I'm somehow misunderstanding you, please help clarify.

- Bill 





From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 16 14:27:54 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:27:54 -0700
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>
Message-ID: <BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>

Hi Marielle,

A few weeks back I broached that very issue. Or, maybe, even more  
ambitiously, about the total scope of available resources for RunRev.  
It had become pretty obvious to me that there are just tons and tons  
of materials, suggestions, approaches, et. out there, but the newbie  
to Rev has got to be bewildered. When I was working heavily with  
FutureBasic, I was pushing for the design of a few really good  
templates to be used by newbies of FB a starting point. We even did a  
few; and, except for its Mac only capabilities, FB is the best,  
fastest and easiest there is. Lots of it are in assembly language,  
and like this list, the FB lists are impressive, though not as  
"hurried".

Were it not for the fact that I am now simply swamped with  
architectural commitments, I thoroughly intended to pursue the  
template concept of Macinstruct.com;but it turns out that I'm  
actually having to take an hiatus from my column on Revolution there;  
perhaps for as long as a couple of months. Frankly, templates make  
less sense with Rev, because the interface design is so simple to  
begin with; meaning that an evaluation of the available resource when  
pursuing a specific type of design, plus a heads up with respect to  
the potential gotchas, is probably a better approach. Break down the  
kinds of things that might be attempted by someone, and they outline  
an approach that they might use to achieve those ends. I don't think  
there is a lot of new ground that would have to be broken, just  
guidance as to where to look for an specific challenge; since you can  
spend a lifetime reading all the stuff that is available, but not  
really find the things that a person might need at the time. I'm just  
running off at the mouth, so excuse me. I know you understand,  
probably far better than I do.

With FB, I tried to recruit a team to work with me on the "template"  
approach, and got a few takers, but ended up doing most of it myself.  
I assume it would be the same here, and I don't currently have the  
free time to take somethng like this on. Much as I would love the  
challenge.

Joe Wilkins


On Mar 16, 2007, at 10:33 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:

> One thought bringing another.
>
> Various persons have complained about the absence of good resources  
> for newbies... well, all tools are there to create these resources.  
> If on wikibooks, anybody has the opportunity to correct anything at  
> anytime.
>
> Joe, any way some of the material you wrote at:
> <http://www.macinstruct.com/codemojo>
>
> Or Devin, the excellent material at:
> <http://revolution.byu.edu/chum281.001/schedule.html>
> <http://revolution.byu.edu/chum381/schedule.php>
>
> Could be used to create a revolution programming textbook on  
> wikibooks:
> <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ruby_Programming>
> <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Non-Programmer% 
> 27s_Tutorial_for_Python/Hello%2C_World>
>
> Any other material out there we may have the right to re-use if we  
> were to start a few pages on revolution programming there?
>
> Best regards,
> Marielle



From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 16 14:36:34 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 18:36:34 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <C2202C4D.440B7%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2202C4D.440B7%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E43EE83D-56C0-43BF-8544-DD15360E9F3F@looktowindward.com>


On 16 Mar 2007, at 18:13, Jim Ault wrote:

> On 3/16/07 10:25 AM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>
>> Please take a look at the handler copied below. This is an adaptation
>> of Ian Wood's "export snapshot.rev" stack that can be downloaded from
>> Rev Online.
>
>> I also tried this without setting the background color and this does
>> write all 500 files, but RunRev crashes  (unexpectedly quits) doing
>> something unrelated a short while later. Also when this is running,
>> the first 50 to 100 files go quite quickly but after that it starts
>> to slow down.
>>
>> Has anyone else seen this? I'm running on a Mac Pro, Mac OS 10.4.9
>> RunRev 2.8.0.350.
>>
>> I really need to get this to work correctly as I have do another demo
>> next week and this is 90% of it!
> I don't do much of this, but there are a couple bug reports dealing  
> with
> import, export and images.  You might check this out before  
> building too
> much on something that is not fixed yet.
>
> The slow down part is probably related to the Mac Finder and the HD  
> maint.
> I see the same type of  speed change writing text files on WinXP.
>
> You might see if
> -- adding a slight wait of 30 milliseconds helps Rev
> -- exporting from a substack that you close out of Rev memory and  
> thus maybe
> purge a dangling heap address in the subStack (possible cause of a  
> crash)
>
> --re-think the demo as a beta that runs slower
> --run as a slower-timed background process
>
> --does the crash occur if tested by exporting to a single variable
> repeatedly, thus not dealing with the hard drive file writing
>
> Of course, there may be a more robust way of doing this with an  
> AppleScript
> app as an agent.
>
> Hope this helps

Thanks Jim, I am doing some playing around now. I'm sure one of your  
suggestions will help.

Have a Great Weekend.
All the Best
Dave







From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 16 14:46:28 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:46:28 -0700
Subject: Implications of limited writes to flash drives
Message-ID: <45FAE604.3010206@fourthworld.com>


Flash memory has an inherent limitation on the number of reliable write 
operations.  Unfortunately, that number is measured not in millions, but 
in thousands:

   Like all flash memory devices, flash drives can sustain only
   a limited number of write and erase cycles before failure.
   Mid-range flash drives under normal conditions will support
   several hundred thousand cycles, although write operations
   will gradually slow as the device ages. This should be a
   consideration when using a flash drive to run application
   software or an operating system.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive#Strengths_and_weaknesses>

The implications for applications are significant, esp. those which 
might seek the user convenience of an auto-save feature.

Have any of you had a flash drive fail on writes?
How serious do you think this limitation is in practical use?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From mark at maseurope.net  Fri Mar 16 15:51:26 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 19:51:26 +0000
Subject: Export Snapshot question
In-Reply-To: <349B636D-D9C2-45D1-ADB3-C896F9948A68@looktowindward.com>
References: <C2201DF8.215C8%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<349B636D-D9C2-45D1-ADB3-C896F9948A68@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <BD934ED3-9FA4-4C08-9781-3B6216652CC3@maseurope.net>

Just FYI, PPM is a very simple non-compressed format which can be  
binary ( filesize about that of TIFF) or ASCII text (file size  
several times bigger).

http://netpbm.sourceforge.net/doc/ppm.html

Best,

Mark

On 16 Mar 2007, at 17:43, Dave wrote:

>
>
> Thanks Scott, this for TV broadcast equipment and 100% cannot have  
> any loss of data. For the PNG option I meant what is the Pixel Size  
> for the PNG file? 8 Bit, 24 Bit or 32 Bit? The documentation says  
> it will output an alpha channel but I not sure how it decides to do  
> this?
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar 16 16:31:07 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:31:07 -0600
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
In-Reply-To: <1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no>
	<20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com>
	<64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu>
	<1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>
Message-ID: <BE5DD29C-E75B-4BFB-931C-82DE4F5EE150@byu.edu>


On Mar 16, 2007, at 1:25 AM, Signe.Sanne at roman.uib.no wrote:

>
>> I agree with Ken. It would not hurt and would probably help to update
>> your materials to the newest version of rev. At a minimum, you should
>> re-build the "portal" standalone with the latest rev engine. In my
>> view that would help legacy stacks survive longer.
>>
>> Devin
>>
>> Devin Asay
>> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
>> Brigham Young University
>
> Good morning and thanks to both Ken Ray and you for your advice.  
> When you say
> the latest rev engine, do you mean 2.8? I have only 2.7, if I  
> bought 2.8 would I
> have to install Vista? What about testing on Window XP then? Can  
> both systems be
> present at the same time?

I can't answer all your Windows question with authority, but let me  
just point out that if you have Rev 2.7 already, 2.8 is a free  
upgrade, as 2.9 will be.

The comments of others indicate that chances are very high that Rev  
apps and stacks will just work on Vista.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From wjm at wjm.org  Fri Mar 16 16:32:45 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:32:45 -0400
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
References: <45FAD795.4060306@fourthworld.com>
	<4C4D8C70-1191-41B1-86B4-038ED11521E1@widged.com>
Message-ID: <eteutd$7cn$1@sea.gmane.org>

> [various comments about the wealth of resources available for Rev newbies]

I do appreciate there's a lot of good stuff out there. As a not-so-newbie I 
still find it bewildering where to look, and the landscape is constantly 
changing. It seems even a mere directory of these is a daunting challenge.

It's my opinion that we (you can consider that "we" the company, or the 
community, or both) need to develop a ore complete library of self-contained 
"starter" kits for various tasks that Revolution is well-suited for. A kit 
being: narrative; code snippets; sample stacks, etc.

That library should be at runrev.com, and actively maintained. They should 
all

- share the same look-and-feel in stacks
- use consistent style-sheets/templates for documentation
- meet standards of professionalism
- be dead-simple for the newcomer (no weird xTalk tricks or fancy-shmancy 
footwork)

I think a good example currently is the XML stack. Anyone who's tried to 
understand the revXML library is familiar with it. Many of the newsletter 
articles we've seen over the past few months are candidates. I'm curious 
about what some other kits might consist of. Email client? Media organizer?

What does the community think the topics should be? And is there anyone 
interested in writing them? 





From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar 16 16:38:07 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:38:07 -0600
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
In-Reply-To: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no>
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no>
Message-ID: <201BE2A8-36E0-4674-B088-A99468923C1A@byu.edu>

On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:23 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:
> So far I have used MetaCard and engine 2.6.6. The programs make use  
> of a portal stack (thanks to Sivakatirswami) which downloads/opens  
> the various educational programs. This downloading is done by http.

Signe,

I'd be interested in hearing more about this. I'm developing a  
similar approach with Rev, which I'm calling the Learning Web. You  
can take a look at it by downloading the beta version at

Mac OS X: http://asay.byu.edu/LW_MacOSX.dmg
Windows: http://asay.byu.edu/LW_setup.exe

A couple of people on the list have allowed me to link to stacks  
they've created as a demonstration of the concept. There are also  
links to a couple of stacks I've created and one that one of my  
students did.

We ought to explore the creation of a repository of web-based  
instructional stacks that could be run in this way.

Tell me what you think.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From cszasz at mac.com  Fri Mar 16 16:40:04 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:40:04 -0400
Subject: Unusual Problem
Message-ID: <938C8DB0-B924-4A86-8D69-EB2858E223F9@mac.com>

I am using Rev. 2.7.4 Studio for the Mac with OS 10.4.8.

I set up my printing routine to print three pages that are marked.  
Based on the user's responses, there is an optional fourth page or  
card that can be printed if additional scores are entered by the user  
with the other three pages at the same time. I used the Switch  
command to include the fourth page if there is or is not something to  
be printed. The routine works beautfiul  but here are my two questions:

1. When the printing is completed that has four pages or cards, the  
user is on the fourth screen that has the optional page that was  
printed. The print button is located on the third page where the user  
started the printing. This occurs on both XP and OS X standalones. I  
am using the print card command with Open Printing. Why is the user  
not returned to the third card where the print button is after  
printing is completed?

2. Why are pages that are printed not in collated order?  On both XP  
and OS X, the page are printed with pages numbered page 3, page 1,  
page 2 and page 4 in this order. This occurs in both the IDE and  
standalones. I know I don't give the user to choose collation as an  
option but you would think that the marked pages would be printed in  
the same order (1,2,3) which coincides with the marked order of the  
cards.

These are small quirks but I am curious why this happens?


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 16 16:58:54 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:58:54 -0500
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <eteutd$7cn$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <45FAD795.4060306@fourthworld.com>	<4C4D8C70-1191-41B1-86B4-038ED11521E1@widged.com>
	<eteutd$7cn$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <45FB050E.6050701@hyperactivesw.com>

Bill Marriott wrote:

> It's my opinion that we (you can consider that "we" the company, or the 
> community, or both) need to develop a ore complete library of self-contained 
> "starter" kits for various tasks that Revolution is well-suited for. A kit 
> being: narrative; code snippets; sample stacks, etc.
> 
> That library should be at runrev.com, and actively maintained. They should 
> all
> 
> - share the same look-and-feel in stacks
> - use consistent style-sheets/templates for documentation
> - meet standards of professionalism
> - be dead-simple for the newcomer (no weird xTalk tricks or fancy-shmancy 
> footwork)

These meet all the above requirements for basic newcomer info:
  </http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/>

They are not specifically task-related, though; they are more 
concept-related. They do contain sections for narrative, code snippets, 
and example stacks, all wrapped in a consistent interface. The goal in 
producing these tutorial stacks was to provide a consistent library of 
basic instruction, located on Runtime's site.

I'd be happy to make the template stack accessible to anyone who wants 
to use it for task-specific tutorials. The template stack has already 
been standardized for branding, appearance, and presentation.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 16 16:59:47 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:59:47 -0700
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
Message-ID: <45FB0543.1050507@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:

>> What suggests this crash is specifically a memory leak?
> 
> Just a guess really, I have had this kind of problem when my external  
> commands (not being used in this test) had a memory leak and the  
> performance went right down and RunRev acted in a similar way.
> 
> Not really sure if it is a leak, just seems like the most likely.  
> It's interesting that it works on you setup though. What version of  
> Mac OS are you using?

Mac OS X 10.4.8, MacBook Pro 2.16GHz Core Duo, 2GB RAM


> Richard reports that it works ok on his system, - Richard did you set  
> the Fill Color of the Graphic to Green? Actually any color seems to  
> cause it.

I just added a line to set the color of the group to a random color -- 
works just as well:

on mouseUp
   local tNum
   local twID
   local tFol
   local tDest

   put the colorNames into tColors  --< NEW

   put 500 into tNum
   put the windowID of this stack into twID
   put "/Users/rg/Desktop/untitled folder/" into tFol
   set the defaultfolder to tFol

   repeat with x = 1 to tNum
     if the mouse is down then
       exit to top
     end if
     put x & ".png" into tDest
     put x into fld "counter"
     set the backgroundColor of grp 1 to  any line of tColors --< NEW
     export snapshot from grp 1 to file tDest as PNG
   end repeat
   answer "Done!"
end mouseUp


Then I added a graphic in case there was something specific to that 
object type, changing the color of the graphic instead of the group. 
Same good result.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar 16 17:00:09 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:00:09 -0600
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <eteutd$7cn$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <45FAD795.4060306@fourthworld.com>
	<4C4D8C70-1191-41B1-86B4-038ED11521E1@widged.com>
	<eteutd$7cn$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <66F7C23B-F144-4AD3-909D-7B71DAE220F1@byu.edu>


On Mar 16, 2007, at 2:32 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:

>> [various comments about the wealth of resources available for Rev  
>> newbies]
>
> I do appreciate there's a lot of good stuff out there. As a not-so- 
> newbie I
> still find it bewildering where to look, and the landscape is  
> constantly
> changing. It seems even a mere directory of these is a daunting  
> challenge.
>
> It's my opinion that we (you can consider that "we" the company, or  
> the
> community, or both) need to develop a ore complete library of self- 
> contained
> "starter" kits for various tasks that Revolution is well-suited  
> for. A kit
> being: narrative; code snippets; sample stacks, etc.
>
> That library should be at runrev.com, and actively maintained. They  
> should
> all
>
> - share the same look-and-feel in stacks
> - use consistent style-sheets/templates for documentation
> - meet standards of professionalism
> - be dead-simple for the newcomer (no weird xTalk tricks or fancy- 
> shmancy
> footwork)
>
> I think a good example currently is the XML stack. Anyone who's  
> tried to
> understand the revXML library is familiar with it. Many of the  
> newsletter
> articles we've seen over the past few months are candidates. I'm  
> curious
> about what some other kits might consist of. Email client? Media  
> organizer?
>
> What does the community think the topics should be? And is there  
> anyone
> interested in writing them?

Aren't there already a lot of these out there? I've done several  
myself for my classes. The Online chat tutorials that Jacque  
moderated a few months back have same great tutorial stacks. You're  
right Bill. It ought to be shepherded by runrev and kept in a  
consistently-maintained repository at runrev.com. That's gonna be  
stop 1 for newbies looking for online help with Rev.

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 16 17:24:39 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:24:39 -0500
Subject: Unusual Problem
In-Reply-To: <938C8DB0-B924-4A86-8D69-EB2858E223F9@mac.com>
References: <938C8DB0-B924-4A86-8D69-EB2858E223F9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <45FB0B17.2020409@hyperactivesw.com>

Charles Szasz wrote:

> 1. When the printing is completed that has four pages or cards, the user 
> is on the fourth screen that has the optional page that was printed. The 
> print button is located on the third page where the user started the 
> printing. This occurs on both XP and OS X standalones. I am using the 
> print card command with Open Printing. Why is the user not returned to 
> the third card where the print button is after printing is completed?

Your script probably goes to each card to print it, so you are left on 
the last card that was sent to the printer. Just add a line after the 
printing routine that goes back to card 3.

> 
> 2. Why are pages that are printed not in collated order?  On both XP and 
> OS X, the page are printed with pages numbered page 3, page 1, page 2 
> and page 4 in this order. This occurs in both the IDE and standalones. I 
> know I don't give the user to choose collation as an option but you 
> would think that the marked pages would be printed in the same order 
> (1,2,3) which coincides with the marked order of the cards.

Are your cards in logical order, so that the third card the user sees is 
really card 3 in the stack? When Rev prints marked cards, it does them 
in the stack order. If the card that the user sees as the second card is 
really in the stack's fourth position, it will be printed fourth.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar 16 17:42:13 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:42:13 -0600
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <45FB050E.6050701@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <45FAD795.4060306@fourthworld.com>	<4C4D8C70-1191-41B1-86B4-038ED11521E1@widged.com>
	<eteutd$7cn$1@sea.gmane.org> <45FB050E.6050701@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F989C108-4927-443B-9E12-0675CB976DD8@byu.edu>


On Mar 16, 2007, at 2:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Bill Marriott wrote:
>
>> It's my opinion that we (you can consider that "we" the company,  
>> or the community, or both) need to develop a ore complete library  
>> of self-contained "starter" kits for various tasks that Revolution  
>> is well-suited for. A kit being: narrative; code snippets; sample  
>> stacks, etc.
>> That library should be at runrev.com, and actively maintained.  
>> They should all
>> - share the same look-and-feel in stacks
>> - use consistent style-sheets/templates for documentation
>> - meet standards of professionalism
>> - be dead-simple for the newcomer (no weird xTalk tricks or fancy- 
>> shmancy footwork)
>
> These meet all the above requirements for basic newcomer info:
>  </http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/>
>
> They are not specifically task-related, though; they are more  
> concept-related. They do contain sections for narrative, code  
> snippets, and example stacks, all wrapped in a consistent  
> interface. The goal in producing these tutorial stacks was to  
> provide a consistent library of basic instruction, located on  
> Runtime's site.
>
> I'd be happy to make the template stack accessible to anyone who  
> wants to use it for task-specific tutorials. The template stack has  
> already been standardized for branding, appearance, and presentation.

Thanks, Jacque for that reminder--I took the chance to revisit some  
of the scripting conference stacks, and was reminded again how well- 
done they are. It seems like this series could be easily adapted and  
extended beyond just the scripting conference. I'd be happy, for  
instance, to contribute a unicode tutorial.

Some of the comments here have been right on target--there is plenty  
of material out there; it just isn't obvious to the newcomer what the  
best source is. In fact, I admit myself that I'm a bit bewildered at  
the amount of good material out there.

Happy St. Paddy's Day, everyone!

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bridgeyman at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 18:48:31 2007
From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:48:31 -0600
Subject: Anyone see this same ?bug?
In-Reply-To: <C2202F35.440BC%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2202F35.440BC%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <86ae76bb0703161548i704909c2vd7238f7dcd6077d8@mail.gmail.com>

I get the same error every once in a while, but I just rearrange it, or add
parentheses and then it works again.  It has only happened two or three
times, and has always been fairly easy to solve, but I never am able to see
why it is throwing an error.  Good to know I am not the only one.

  TTFN
    Bridger
    Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center

On 3/16/07, Jim Ault <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Seems to be a bug, or just an inconsistency.  Am I missing something about
> Rev?
>
> Error =   if: missing 'then'
>
>   if "Version Alpha" is among the lines of the cardnames then
>         answer "This has already been linked to a card"
>         exit to top
> end if
>
> This version works by adding parens
>
>   if "Version Alpha" is among the lines of (the cardnames) then
>         answer "This has already been linked to a card"
>         exit to top
> end if
>
> Mac OSX 10.4.7, Rev 2.7.2  IDEnvironment
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
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From userev at canelasoftware.com  Fri Mar 16 19:09:45 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:09:45 -0700
Subject: Switching screen res on OS X
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703152130v710405fu14a0cb45fb09ead2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860703152130v710405fu14a0cb45fb09ead2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B37D17C-F4AB-49A6-870F-77CB3CEF4C53@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 15, 2007, at 9:30 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Several times people have asked how to change screen resolution
> programmatically. I usually recommended the Terminal command "cscreen"
> but it is no longer under development and it does not handle all
> resolutions especially the "stretched" ones.
>
> I have now found another option called SwitchResX
> <http://www.switchres.info/html/SRX/About.html>. It is not free, but
> it is a lot more powerful and as it is AppleScriptable, you can use it
> in your scripts once it is installed.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah


Good info Sarah.  Thanks!


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From mdswindell at cruzio.com  Fri Mar 16 19:55:52 2007
From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:55:52 -0700
Subject: OT Adobe Serial/Ethical Question
Message-ID: <AA0C3549-133F-414F-B591-28DED38912F7@cruzio.com>

Ethics and logistics question:

I just bought a used iMac with GoLive CS installed on it.  It didn't  
come with the install disks, but the program is authorized for the  
computer.  I'm wondering if I technically have the right to use it?

If the answer is yes, then do I have the right to move it to another  
HD/CPU and delete the original?

Of course, I don't know how to access the serial number on the iMac  
to authorize the copied program, but I'm curious if I should even  
wonder about it, or just dump it.

Ideally, I'd like to be able to move the program to my main computer,  
and reformat the iMac and give it to my mom... the original plan.  If  
I'm being a scurvy dog, I can just dump the CS version and continue  
to use my purchased copy of GoLive in Classic mode.  But I'm curious...

Thanks
Mark


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar 16 20:43:53 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:43:53 -0300
Subject: Implications of limited writes to flash drives
Message-ID: <45FB39C9.3050509@howsoft.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

  >Like all flash memory devices, flash drives can sustain only
   a limited number of write and erase cycles before failure.
   Mid-range flash drives under normal conditions will support
   several hundred thousand cycles, although write operations
   will gradually slow as the device ages. This should be a
   consideration when using a flash drive to run application
   software or an operating system.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive#Strengths_and_weaknesses>

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Interestingly, the maker of Puppy Linux has attempted to minimize this 
problem, since the operating system itself as well as application 
software can be run totally from a flash drive. How successful he has 
actually been I am not yet in a position to evaluate.

Bob



From martinblackman at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 21:17:31 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:17:31 +0900
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <20070304002603273582.931b664f@sonsothunder.com>
References: <45E87318.3010200@castandcrew.com>
	<20070302172128287685.09aecca4@sonsothunder.com>
	<79d1bee70703030143v6b3ff908s1d55cf6a6bac48ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070303123052763325.92cc862e@sonsothunder.com>
	<79d1bee70703031618s7f41148bj86042e6eb0570002@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070304002603273582.931b664f@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70703161817h67b1a078kf003dc8334690632@mail.gmail.com>

Just continuing down the path which Ken helped put me on, I thought
I'd share my little routine which uses vbscript to get the Names in an
Excel workbook and the ranges to which they refer:

function getXLNames
   put "Dim ObjXL,tRetVal,tName" & cr & \
         "Set ObjXL = GetObject(," & q("Excel.Application") & ")" into tScript
   put cr& "For Each tName In ObjXL.ActiveWorkbook.Names" & cr & \
         "tRetVal = tRetVal & tName.Name  & tName.RefersTo & vbCrLf" &
cr & "Next" after tScript
   put cr & "tRetVal = Left(tRetVal,Len(tRetVal) - 2)" & cr & \
         "WScript.Echo tRetVal" after tScript
   put tmpfolder&"/VBSTemp.vbs" into tFile  --tmpfolder is a global
var holding a path
   put tScript into url("file:" & tFile)
   set the hideconsolewindows to true
   get shell("cscript.exe //nologo" && tFile)
   send "delete file" && q(tFile) to me in 1 second
   if char -1 of it is cr then delete char -1 of it
   return it
end getXLNames


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Mar 16 21:24:03 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:24:03 +0000
Subject: Implications of limited writes to flash drives
In-Reply-To: <45FB39C9.3050509@howsoft.com>
References: <45FB39C9.3050509@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <7CB27C69-B979-4247-84CE-9967FF83B59A@anachreon.co.uk>

Probably just keeps settings on the stick and runs the rest in RAM.  
Some 'Live' CD distros do the same onto the HD.

Cheers,

Luis.


On 17 Mar 2007, at 0:43, Bob Warren wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>  >Like all flash memory devices, flash drives can sustain only
>   a limited number of write and erase cycles before failure.
>   Mid-range flash drives under normal conditions will support
>   several hundred thousand cycles, although write operations
>   will gradually slow as the device ages. This should be a
>   consideration when using a flash drive to run application
>   software or an operating system.
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ 
> USB_flash_drive#Strengths_and_weaknesses>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 
> ---------
> Interestingly, the maker of Puppy Linux has attempted to minimize  
> this problem, since the operating system itself as well as  
> application software can be run totally from a flash drive. How  
> successful he has actually been I am not yet in a position to  
> evaluate.
>
> Bob
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From pkcrossley at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 16 21:32:16 2007
From: pkcrossley at earthlink.net (Pamela Crossley)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:32:16 -0400
Subject: baltic fonts not supported ?..
In-Reply-To: <4593AC16.000001.01744@MAZYTIS>
References: <0CE214EC-D654-4D95-BCF8-1AC1D8649E26@mac.com>
	<4593AC16.000001.01744@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <B437CC48-E645-4DDB-BCFE-C4FB0B6B1B2B@earthlink.net>

hi viktoras, how about this:

1) write the text outside (notepad or whatever)
2) paste into the text field
3) get the textFont of the field

then see if you can set the textFont to that field permanently and  
get better results?

i use macintosh so have no clever ideas. i also don't know any  
lithuanian. but when i used my text input on the macintosh to input  
in unicode lithuanian (just romanization of english words, alas), and  
converted it to HTML, it returned the font "Gnveva CE" (for Central  
European). Is there such a font on uour machine?


On Dec 28, 2006, at 6:35 AM, Viktoras Didziulis wrote:

> Windows XP, Rev Studio 2.6. Can't type Baltic (Lithuanian) fonts  
> into text
> field. Yes, regional settings and keyboard's language bar selection  
> are
> correct and working for any other app except for Rev... No problems  
> with
> typing Cyrillic (Russian) text or Japanese, but when I try typing  
> my native
> language it prints accented characters instead. It seems that the  
> only way
> to get Lithuanian text into that field is to print it outside Rev (in
> Notepad, or any other text editor) and then copy/paste it into the  
> field.
> Tried many combinations of set the textFont of fld "fText" to "Verdana
> Baltic", then "Lucida Sans Unicode,Unicode" and even "Times New Roman
> Lithuanian" (and here the studio crashed :-)). Is there anything  
> left that
> could do the trick?.. Otherwise it seems my programs are limited to  
> foreign
> market only, when there are ~3 500 000 of us :-)
>
> Best wishes
> Viktoras
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From bvg at mac.com  Fri Mar 16 22:12:25 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 03:12:25 +0100
Subject: date and time entry group/stack
Message-ID: <1c7e6d9eca4f59b83a245c7403a6204b@mac.com>

Hi folks

I made a little date and time entry group. It's based on a stack by 
Marty Knapp from revOnline (thanks Marty!). You can find my stack on 
revOnline (as "Calendar date and time selector by BvG"), or on my 
Homepage:

http://bjoernke.com/runrev/stacks.php

Detailed documentation within the stack.
If you have questions or suggestions, don't hesitate to join chatrev, 
or mail me.

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Mar 17 00:17:48 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:17:48 -0800
Subject: Implications of limited writes to flash drives
In-Reply-To: <45FAE604.3010206@fourthworld.com>
References: <45FAE604.3010206@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <97172142367.20070316201748@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Friday, March 16, 2007, 10:46:28 AM, you wrote:

> Have any of you had a flash drive fail on writes?
> How serious do you think this limitation is in practical use?

Sheesh. You're worried about "several hundred thousand" write cycles?
I don't write to flash drives all that often - read cycles are much
more prevalent. I think more to the point is that I've outgrown my
smaller flash drives and had to move to newer and bigger ones.

There's a wonderful tradition that started many years ago when monks
began transcribing manuscripts. I believe they called it backups. I
don't have *anything* on a flash drive that I don't have backed up
somewhere safe. Usually multiple copies. But then that's just me being
paranoid that my media might self-destruct some day.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Mar 17 00:22:34 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:22:34 -0800
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <85172428609.20070316202234@ahsoftware.net>

Bill-

Here's my VB-to-xtalk cheat sheet. Hope you find something useful in
it. The formatting looks all wonky to me today for some reason. I'm
not sure why. Everything used to line up nicely, but now it all seems
staggered. Let me know if you have trouble with it and I'll try to
reformat it again into something more useful.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net
-------------- next part --------------
Visual Basic-to-xTalk Cheat Sheet:

XTalk languages follow a natural-language approach. In general, statements are of the imperative form in which there is an implied second-person subject of the statement (you) and the verb is the first word of the line: "put value into container", "add 1 to someVariable", etc.

Thus the VB syntax in which some statements have an implied verb ("X=4" instead of "LET X=4") must be translated to xTalk syntax "put 4 into x".

lblTemperature.Text = 98.6		put 98.6 into field "lblTemperature"
xyz = xyz + 1				add 1 to xyz
let x = 3.14					put 3.14 into x

In most cases a direct translation of VB to xTalk is not the best way to code any given problem. As with any programming language, there are many ways to accomplish any task. Direct translation will provide the fastest way to get a project converted, but from there out a rethinkng of the code will provide code that executes faster in fewer lines, is more readable and maintainable, and may offer new insights into how to solve a problem.

Arrays: Arrays in xTalk are associative - the index may be, but does not need to be, numeric in order to access array elements. The VB array syntax arrayName(index) is replaced by arrayName[index]. There is no VB equivalent for a non-numeric array index.

arrayName(4) = "hello"			put "hello" into arrayName[4]
						put "hello" into arrayName["greeting"]
						put "bonjour" into arrayName["greeting",tCurrentLanguage]

The odd VB syntax of returning a value from a function (procedure) by assigning the value to the name of the procedure is replaced in xTalk by the more standard return keyword.

PROCNAME = someValue		return someValue

Similarities: xTalk, like VB, is not case-specific: somevariable is the same as someVariable, as are SOMEVARIABLE and sOmEvArIAblE. Unless explicitVars is set to true (enable variable checking in the menu) variables do not need to be declared before use. This is similar to VB's OPTION EXPLICIT. In xTalk single-word string literals should be, but in general do not have to be (unless explicitVars is true), quoted:

put red into tCurrentColor
put "black" into tCurrentColor
answer hello
answer "hello, sailor"

The following are not necessary in xTalk:
REDIM
LET
PI is already defined as a constant

The following VB constants map directly to the following xTalk keywords:

vbCRLF					return
vbKeyReturn				return
vbNewLine					cr
vbKeyBack					8
vbOKOnly					"OK"
vbNullString					empty
vbBlack					"black"
vbWhite					"white"
vbRed					"red"
vbBlue					"blue"
vbGreen					"green"
vbYellow					"yellow"
vbMagenta					"magenta"
vbCyan					"cyan"

more direct mapping:

' (comment indicator)			"--" or "#"
DIM X AS INTEGER			local x or global x
PROCEDURE SomeProc			function SomeProc
DO						repeat
WHILE					repeat while
WEND						end while
LOOP						end while
SELECT CASE				switch (use break statement between cases)
END SELECT				end switch
CASE ELSE					default
OPEN fileName as "x"			open file fileName
CLOSE "x"					close file fileName
OPTION EXPLICIT				explictVars
TRIM(SomeString)			word 1 to -1 of SomeString

The following VB keywords have no mapping:
ON ERROR					(use try/catch construct)

The following constructs have no direct equivalent:
WITH
END WITH
label:
GOTO label
dot notation:
	instead of "lblMyLabel.Height" use "the height of field "MyLabel"
Timer controls
	possibly use invisible buttons with "send 'Timer' to me in the interval of me milliseconds"
System and ActiveX controls in external libraries

VB screen coordinates are in Twips rather than in pixels. There are usually 15 twips per pixel, although this can vary depending on display characteristics.

SELECT CASE/CASE/CASE ELSE/END SELECT constructs are represented by the switch construct in xTalk The biggest difference is that individual case statements need "break" statements to separate them (as in C or java) and to keep the code from falling through into the next case. In VB different case items that should execute the same code are placed on the same line; in xTalk they are placed on separate lines.

	VB							xTalk
SELECT CASE tValue				switch tValue
  CASE 1						  case 1
    routine1						    routine1
							    break
  CASE 2, CASE 3					  case 2
							  case 3
    routine2						    routine2
							    break
  CASE ELSE					  default
    routine3						    routine3
END SELECT					end switch

From martyknapp at comcast.net  Fri Mar 16 23:38:37 2007
From: martyknapp at comcast.net (Marty Knapp)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:38:37 -0700
Subject: date and time entry group/stack
In-Reply-To: <1c7e6d9eca4f59b83a245c7403a6204b@mac.com>
References: <1c7e6d9eca4f59b83a245c7403a6204b@mac.com>
Message-ID: <45FB62BD.80102@comcast.net>

Hey Bj?rnke,

You're welcome! Glad that you could use my stack. It actually started 
life as a WindowScript (anybody remember that?) window in Hypercard, way 
back when.

Marty Knapp

> Hi folks
>
> I made a little date and time entry group. It's based on a stack by 
> Marty Knapp from revOnline (thanks Marty!). You can find my stack on 
> revOnline (as "Calendar date and time selector by BvG"), or on my 
> Homepage:
>
> http://bjoernke.com/runrev/stacks.php
>
> Detailed documentation within the stack.
> If you have questions or suggestions, don't hesitate to join chatrev, 
> or mail me.
>



From wjm at wjm.org  Sat Mar 17 01:56:57 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:56:57 -0400
Subject: Implications of limited writes to flash drives
References: <45FAE604.3010206@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <etg0ar$o3c$2@sea.gmane.org>

Richard,

> How serious do you think this limitation is in practical use?

The thing that comes to mind immediately for me is Vista's "ReadyBoost" 
feature, which could easily reach that number of writes in a short period of 
time! 





From wjm at wjm.org  Sat Mar 17 01:40:25 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:40:25 -0400
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no><20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com><64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu><1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>
	<BE5DD29C-E75B-4BFB-931C-82DE4F5EE150@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <etg0ap$o3c$1@sea.gmane.org>

> I can't answer all your Windows question with authority, but let me  just 
> point out that if you have Rev 2.7 already, 2.8 is a free  upgrade, as 2.9 
> will be.

- Revolution 2.8 is free to users who had an active license as of its 
release on February 19, 2007, per the usual licensing arrangement.

- Revolution 2.9 will be free to anyone who had an active license as of 
February 1, 2006, or purchased any version after that date.

Thus, there are some customers for whom 2.9 will be free, but 2.8 is not. 





From mlange at widged.com  Sat Mar 17 05:39:42 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:39:42 +0000
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <66F7C23B-F144-4AD3-909D-7B71DAE220F1@byu.edu>
References: <45FAD795.4060306@fourthworld.com>
	<4C4D8C70-1191-41B1-86B4-038ED11521E1@widged.com>
	<eteutd$7cn$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<66F7C23B-F144-4AD3-909D-7B71DAE220F1@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <30ED1DD7-E94A-4636-9A49-2FD1B5D05F17@widged.com>

Devin,

In theory I approve. However (1) we have been asking for this for  
more than 3 years and this hasn't happened and (2) Revolution never  
shows himself keen on a structure where contributions can easily be  
made.

The scripting conference success was to a huge extent thanks to the  
work, time, dedication that Jacque did put into that.

Apart for Bill (the resident bug chaser) and Lynn (the principal  
revdeveloper editor), I don't see much evidence of this.

On the revdeveloper wiki, there is now a copy of the Revolution user  
guide.
<http://www.revdeveloper.com/include/wiki/rev/doku.php? 
id=en:documentation:revolutionuserguide:revolutionuserguide>

There is also some text according to which : "The wiki version of the  
Revolution User?s Guide will differ from the printed documentation.  
The wiki will include additional headings and a Wiki Notes footer at  
the bottom of each page. This will include any important notes from  
the wiki editor. The wiki version may also contain user supplied  
notes, comments and addendums. These may be incorporated into the  
printed guide at some time in the future." [funny, in my latin  
classes, I learned that the plural of addendum was addenda... however  
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/styleguide/page/0,,184844,00.html>  
proposes addendums as the form to adopt... though the addenda form  
obviously exists <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/addenda>]

But I have been discussing off list months ago, to ask and how things  
could be set to make it possible for members of the community to make  
contributions. Though I have been told that there was interest in  
this on runrev side, no progress whatsoever has been made.

As I said. That's 3 years that this request has been made. In terms  
of time available on runrev side, I don't see anybody who can take  
responsibility for this. Unless Bill comes up with a description of a  
structure that makes it realistic for things to start to happen, a  
wikibook seems the best way to go.

You may enjoy the reading of this excellent article
"How I Learned To Stop Worrying and Relinquish Control"
<http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000501.php>
Control = nothing ever happens.

I don't mind it being on a runrev website, but provided that's in a  
zone where users have some ability to change and update the  
content... eventually via some edition process by which the changes  
are not shown to the public before the content has been approved by  
an editor in charge.

Best,
Marielle


On 16 Mar 2007, at 21:00, Devin Asay wrote:

> You're right Bill. It ought to be shepherded by runrev and kept in  
> a consistently-maintained repository at runrev.com. That's gonna be  
> stop 1 for newbies looking for online help with Rev.
>
> Devin




From mlange at widged.com  Sat Mar 17 06:57:28 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:57:28 +0000
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>
	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>

Hi Joe,

> A few weeks back I broached that very issue. Or, maybe, even more  
> ambitiously, about the total scope of available resources for RunRev.

Can you point me to this post... I am afraid, I don't find the time  
to read each single post on this list.

> It had become pretty obvious to me that there are just tons and  
> tons of materials, suggestions, approaches, et. out there, but the  
> newbie to Rev has got to be bewildered.

I do my best to provide such a list at:
<http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php? 
page=RevolutionWebsites>
<http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=TutorialsExample>
<http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php? 
page=RevolutionSnippetStacks>

there is dmoz directory, where persons can add mention of their website
<http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/>
Richard has a similar list:
<http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/links.html>

And oh, as pointed by mblackman on the forums:
"There is a good list of sites in the documentation but it doesn't  
pop out at you.
Go to documentation, click on the Search button at the right hand  
side, in the window that pops up click on 'web database' which pops  
up a menu, choose 'Go to' and presto there's a list. Maybe they  
should make this easier to find !"

Then the problem I experienced is that if a link gets outdated, they  
don't get changed. I signaled that the lexicall.org link was not  
valid a while ago (replaced by widged.com about a year ago). I was  
told that the change would take place in the next version. The next  
version comes. No change.

I don't mind the place where this information appears being  
revolution. What I do mind however is that this is a place where  
information can be kept up to date, with the responsibility for this  
being shared by various persons rather than it being a single person  
effort.

> When I was working heavily with FutureBasic, I was pushing for the  
> design of a few really good templates to be used by newbies of FB a  
> starting point. We even did a few; and, except for its Mac only  
> capabilities, FB is the best, fastest and easiest there is. Lots of  
> it are in assembly language, and like this list, the FB lists are  
> impressive, though not as "hurried".

You see, the big problem is that I am about to reply to this post on  
the forums <http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=650>
"Help! I've built an application in Enterprise (2.7.1 build 236)  
booting up in OSX on an external drive - everything is fine,  
including the custom Image Library I created to hold about thirty  
icons used by my application's buttons. "

I have already replied to this type of question 3-5 times over the  
past 2 years. That's really a "classical one".

> meaning that an evaluation of the available resource when pursuing  
> a specific type of design, plus a heads up with respect to the  
> potential gotchas, is probably a better approach. Break down the  
> kinds of things that might be attempted by someone, and they  
> outline an approach that they might use to achieve those ends. I  
> don't think there is a lot of new ground that would have to be  
> broken, just guidance as to where to look for an specific  
> challenge; since you can spend a lifetime reading all the stuff  
> that is available, but not really find the things that a person  
> might need at the time. I'm just running off at the mouth, so  
> excuse me. I know you understand, probably far better than I do.

That was expressed far better than I would have been able to ;-).

Various things I was thinking about :

-------------------------
1. Book formats
-------------------------

Wicked cool?

Demo chapter for Wicked java
<http://assets.devx.com/download/17813.pdf>
Wicked cool shell scripts
<http://www.intuitive.com/wicked/>
Wicked cool perl scripts
<http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1593270623/>

Phrase Book?

PHP Phrasebook (Sample Chapters)
<http://www.samspublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=417718&rl=1>

Hacks?

PHP Hacks (Sample Hacks)
<http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/phphks/chapter/index.html>

-------------------------
2. Design Patterns
-------------------------

Design Patterns / Interface Design?

Ajax Design Patterns (Sample chapter, pdf)
<http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/ajaxdp/chapter/ch10.pdf>

Designing Interfaces
<http://designinginterfaces.com/>

-----------------------------
3. Benchmarking data
-----------------------------

See this forum post by Richard,
<http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=571&start=15>
as an excellent example.

> I'm actually having to take an hiatus from my column on Revolution  
> there; perhaps for as long as a couple of months.

That's the same for me. I can contribute time and effort. However, I  
cannot do that continuously over a year period. Hence the idea of  
going for a structure which allows for different persons to take  
responsibility for this.

> With FB, I tried to recruit a team to work with me on the  
> "template" approach, and got a few takers, but ended up doing most  
> of it myself. I assume it would be the same here, and I don't  
> currently have the free time to take somethng like this on. Much as  
> I would love the challenge.

Well, that has been my experience of open source and community  
initiatives so far. Many persons are interested in benefitting of the  
result of your work. Many persons are enthusiastic at the start. But  
well, with time, you end up being the one paying for the webserver  
and doing all the work yourself ;-).

Of interest. I am having a parallel discussion with Bill Griffin, of  
igames3D. I will take the time to describe the outcome of this  
discussion in more details next week.

We are thinking of creating a website to support persons interested  
in games (serious gaming, advergaming, games for learning). One of  
the idea I have had in that context is to set up some section "rent  
an elearning developer" and "rent an animator". More generally, what  
I am keen on is building bridges so to allow faster and easier access  
to the huge amount of resources that already exist for both teachers  
and learners.

The big problem, however, is the one highlighted above. If I start  
this, I will have plenty of persons very enthusiastic about this and  
encouraging me to go ahead. But in 3-6 months time, I will be mostly  
alone to take care of everything.

I am trying to find ways to secure the participation of persons, to  
give them a reason to contribute (good visibility in some tutorial  
section is good credentials when persons have to decide whether to  
hire you as a developer".

Persons who would be interested in discussing this kind of idea in  
order to get something started that would be sustainable and  
successful are invited to take contact with me.

Rather than go madly on all fronts, I would prefer to select a few  
number of initiatives or to associate with persons who are ready to  
take responsibility for a given sector/area... such that again, we  
avoid the duplication of resources and efforts.

Marielle



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 07:00:51 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:00:51 +0800
Subject: OT Adobe Serial/Ethical Question
In-Reply-To: <AA0C3549-133F-414F-B591-28DED38912F7@cruzio.com>
References: <AA0C3549-133F-414F-B591-28DED38912F7@cruzio.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703170400m3105546ck4f237afd1fd3a52@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/17/07, Mark Swindell <mdswindell at cruzio.com> wrote:
>
> Ethics and logistics question:
>
> I just bought a used iMac with GoLive CS installed on it.  It didn't
> come with the install disks, but the program is authorized for the
> computer.  I'm wondering if I technically have the right to use it?


I'll save myself the need to answer the  logistics question by saying No to
the ethics question. Really this is how the pirate industry works. Buy one
legal copy and distribute it on everything they make. This video is old, but
little has changed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_4IERiD0rc

I'm not saying that the person who sold you the computer was intentionally
pirating software. I'd say your choice is simple, contact the seller and ask
them for the original GoLive install discs. If they indicate that they are
still using the program then it's pretty clear you shouldn't be. If they no
longer use the program and send you the discs, great, if they say they 'no
longer use the program but can't find the discs' then, and this is purely my
opinion, I'd reckon a legal eagle for the software companies would still say
you can't use it, but  for me personally, you've made sure (as best you can)
that only one person is using the program so then you can deal with your
logistics problem:-) You never know, when you contact them they might be
able to give you the serial No and so solve your logistics problem.

HTH


From mlange at widged.com  Sat Mar 17 07:23:31 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:23:31 +0000
Subject: more info
Message-ID: <430B7202-14AF-4753-819E-8002B14B6097@widged.com>


Bill Marriott wrote:
> That library should be at runrev.com, and actively maintained.

I guess this information is a useful one to give.

I had signed a community partner agreement with runrev about two  
months ago, with the view of helping things *LIKE THIS* to happen.

I tried. I asked what was possible or not with respect to stuff like  
this. I received no information. I was invited to share the  
information I had collected at BETT (British Education Trade Show,  
the biggest inthe UK). I did so. No interest was shown in the  
information or ideas I exposed. I was proposed to become a vendor,  
lobby a given school to persuade them to buy a few licenses and get  
my cut out of the deal.

I signaled I was not interested in this. I asked what else was  
possible. I didn't receive any clear answer. As it was too unclear to  
me what my role was supposed to be and what room for action I had in  
that role, I have come to choose to resign from it, a bit more than a  
week ago.

I am still keen on taking up a role with runrev which would allow me  
to do something positive for the education community but would  
refrain from doing so till things become clearer.

In particular, in my interactions with runrev it became clear to me  
that due to already great time pressure on staff, other priorities,  
or I don't know what, it wouldn't be possible to set up a structure  
where (1) things would be created and (2) things will be actively  
maintained.

A structure exists where things can be created and be actively  
maintained. This structure is called wikibooks.

Best,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education





From kee at kagi.com  Sat Mar 17 11:58:08 2007
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:58:08 -0700
Subject: answer file of type ... ?
In-Reply-To: <BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>
	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>
	<BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
Message-ID: <C0141190-2C6E-4491-A6F7-F9A4AE901234@kagi.com>

I have some iCal export files I want to select with the answer file  
command. I'd like to limit the answer file selection to just the iCal  
export files.

Two questions:

What are the scripts I would use on MacOSX, Windows, and Unix to  
limit the selection in answer file to be just the iCal export files?

How did you determine the file type or filter with parameters to use  
for each of the answer file scripts?


The docs imply there are different answer file scripts required for  
each OS but the examples are not marked as OS specific. The docs show  
types and filters but for the types, they don't tell you how to  
obtain the desired type or filter information from a path specified  
file. Filters do not appear to work on Mac OS X (or there is some  
magic that I'm just not performing to get a simple .ics filter to work).

Thanks in advance.

Kee Nethery


From kee at kagi.com  Sat Mar 17 12:02:13 2007
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:02:13 -0700
Subject: Unicode?
In-Reply-To: <BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>
	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>
	<BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
Message-ID: <C8A18178-7117-48BD-AFD1-1A39BDF8E0DF@kagi.com>

I have to delve into the world of Unicode. Is there a sample stack or  
set of sample stacks that people would recommend that I start with?

In specific I'll grab unicode from a database via HTTP POST, display  
it in a field, allow it to be edited, and then save the results back  
into the database using HTTP POST.

I get the feeling from all I have read on this list that unicode is a  
mind field of things that do not work as expected or as documented.

Thanks,

Kee Nethery


From kee at kagi.com  Sat Mar 17 12:20:42 2007
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:20:42 -0700
Subject: answer file of type ... ?
In-Reply-To: <BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>
	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>
	<BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
Message-ID: <3BEE800D-8F06-41C5-AFE5-DADD9B9C5441@kagi.com>

> I have some iCal export files I want to select with the answer file  
> command. I'd like to limit the answer file selection to just the  
> iCal export files.
>
> Two questions:
>
> What are the scripts I would use on MacOSX, Windows, and Unix to  
> limit the selection in answer file to be just the iCal export files?
>
> How did you determine the file type or filter with parameters to  
> use for each of the answer file scripts?


I found a format that works on Mac OS X.

answer file "select the .ics file" with type "iCal file|ics"

that is "iCal file" then a pipe "|" then the file suffix without the  
dot "ics"

"iCal file" can be seen as the "Kind" of file in the Mac OS X finder  
window with the files in a list. The file suffix is visible as part  
of the file name. The example I pulled this from had a file type as  
the third element "iCal file|ics|RCSK" where "RCSK" would be the  
Finder File Type but this appears to be optional.

This is not an example displayed in the "answer file command" docs.  
The pipe as a separator is not in any example in the answer file  
command docs and the examples there imply that you need wildcard dot  
before the file suffix "*.ics" versus just "ics"

My questions above still remain but at least now I have a way to  
select specific file suffixes on the Mac.

Thanks,

Kee Nethery


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 17 12:45:48 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 11:45:48 -0500
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <F989C108-4927-443B-9E12-0675CB976DD8@byu.edu>
References: <45FAD795.4060306@fourthworld.com>	<4C4D8C70-1191-41B1-86B4-038ED11521E1@widged.com>	<eteutd$7cn$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<45FB050E.6050701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F989C108-4927-443B-9E12-0675CB976DD8@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <45FC1B3C.2010809@hyperactivesw.com>

Devin Asay wrote:

> Thanks, Jacque for that reminder--I took the chance to revisit some of 
> the scripting conference stacks, and was reminded again how well-done 
> they are. It seems like this series could be easily adapted and extended 
> beyond just the scripting conference. I'd be happy, for instance, to 
> contribute a unicode tutorial.

That would be *very* useful. I'll try to find out what RR thinks about 
expanding the conference stack library (I'm pretty sure they'll like the 
idea) and then, if approved, I'll put the template stack online so that 
others can use it.

I'll let the list know how this pans out in a few days.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 17 13:12:11 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:12:11 -0700
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>
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Hi Marielle,

I'm amazed at your fluency with the English language. I should do  
even half as well. I fully appreciate your dilemma and would love to  
collaborate with you and some others; but, as mentioned previously,  
I'm really swamped right now, and don't see things clearing up until  
the end of June. I'm working on my various projects 7/16 with little  
time to spare. I don't even read most of the RunRev posts. I've set  
up a folder for yours so I can go back and check on things like the  
one you asked me about. I don't clutter my email folders any more  
than necessary, so it is long gone I suspect. I could probably do a  
Spotlight search if I could think of a good keyword for which to  
search. This is just to let you know that I'm not going to be able to  
help anytime soon. Thanks for all your efforts. They do not go  
unappreciated - at least not by me. (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 17, 2007, at 3:57 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
>> A few weeks back I broached that very issue. Or, maybe, even more  
>> ambitiously, about the total scope of available resources for RunRev.
>
> Can you point me to this post... I am afraid, I don't find the time  
> to read each single post on this list.
>
>> It had become pretty obvious to me that there are just tons and  
>> tons of materials, suggestions, approaches, et. out there, but the  
>> newbie to Rev has got to be bewildered.
>
> I do my best to provide such a list at:
> <http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php? 
> page=RevolutionWebsites>
> <http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php? 
> page=TutorialsExample>
> <http://revolution.widged.com/wiki/tiki-index.php? 
> page=RevolutionSnippetStacks>
>
> there is dmoz directory, where persons can add mention of their  
> website
> <http://dmoz.org/Computers/Programming/Languages/Transcript/>
> Richard has a similar list:
> <http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/links.html>
>
> And oh, as pointed by mblackman on the forums:
> "There is a good list of sites in the documentation but it doesn't  
> pop out at you.
> Go to documentation, click on the Search button at the right hand  
> side, in the window that pops up click on 'web database' which pops  
> up a menu, choose 'Go to' and presto there's a list. Maybe they  
> should make this easier to find !"
>
> Then the problem I experienced is that if a link gets outdated,  
> they don't get changed. I signaled that the lexicall.org link was  
> not valid a while ago (replaced by widged.com about a year ago). I  
> was told that the change would take place in the next version. The  
> next version comes. No change.
>
> I don't mind the place where this information appears being  
> revolution. What I do mind however is that this is a place where  
> information can be kept up to date, with the responsibility for  
> this being shared by various persons rather than it being a single  
> person effort.
>
>> When I was working heavily with FutureBasic, I was pushing for the  
>> design of a few really good templates to be used by newbies of FB  
>> a starting point. We even did a few; and, except for its Mac only  
>> capabilities, FB is the best, fastest and easiest there is. Lots  
>> of it are in assembly language, and like this list, the FB lists  
>> are impressive, though not as "hurried".
>
> You see, the big problem is that I am about to reply to this post  
> on the forums <http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=650>
> "Help! I've built an application in Enterprise (2.7.1 build 236)  
> booting up in OSX on an external drive - everything is fine,  
> including the custom Image Library I created to hold about thirty  
> icons used by my application's buttons. "
>
> I have already replied to this type of question 3-5 times over the  
> past 2 years. That's really a "classical one".
>
>> meaning that an evaluation of the available resource when pursuing  
>> a specific type of design, plus a heads up with respect to the  
>> potential gotchas, is probably a better approach. Break down the  
>> kinds of things that might be attempted by someone, and they  
>> outline an approach that they might use to achieve those ends. I  
>> don't think there is a lot of new ground that would have to be  
>> broken, just guidance as to where to look for an specific  
>> challenge; since you can spend a lifetime reading all the stuff  
>> that is available, but not really find the things that a person  
>> might need at the time. I'm just running off at the mouth, so  
>> excuse me. I know you understand, probably far better than I do.
>
> That was expressed far better than I would have been able to ;-).
>
> Various things I was thinking about :
>
> -------------------------
> 1. Book formats
> -------------------------
>
> Wicked cool?
>
> Demo chapter for Wicked java
> <http://assets.devx.com/download/17813.pdf>
> Wicked cool shell scripts
> <http://www.intuitive.com/wicked/>
> Wicked cool perl scripts
> <http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/1593270623/>
>
> Phrase Book?
>
> PHP Phrasebook (Sample Chapters)
> <http://www.samspublishing.com/articles/article.asp?p=417718&rl=1>
>
> Hacks?
>
> PHP Hacks (Sample Hacks)
> <http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/phphks/chapter/index.html>
>
> -------------------------
> 2. Design Patterns
> -------------------------
>
> Design Patterns / Interface Design?
>
> Ajax Design Patterns (Sample chapter, pdf)
> <http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/ajaxdp/chapter/ch10.pdf>
>
> Designing Interfaces
> <http://designinginterfaces.com/>
>
> -----------------------------
> 3. Benchmarking data
> -----------------------------
>
> See this forum post by Richard,
> <http://forums.runrev.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=571&start=15>
> as an excellent example.
>
>> I'm actually having to take an hiatus from my column on Revolution  
>> there; perhaps for as long as a couple of months.
>
> That's the same for me. I can contribute time and effort. However,  
> I cannot do that continuously over a year period. Hence the idea of  
> going for a structure which allows for different persons to take  
> responsibility for this.
>
>> With FB, I tried to recruit a team to work with me on the  
>> "template" approach, and got a few takers, but ended up doing most  
>> of it myself. I assume it would be the same here, and I don't  
>> currently have the free time to take somethng like this on. Much  
>> as I would love the challenge.
>
> Well, that has been my experience of open source and community  
> initiatives so far. Many persons are interested in benefitting of  
> the result of your work. Many persons are enthusiastic at the  
> start. But well, with time, you end up being the one paying for the  
> webserver and doing all the work yourself ;-).
>
> Of interest. I am having a parallel discussion with Bill Griffin,  
> of igames3D. I will take the time to describe the outcome of this  
> discussion in more details next week.
>
> We are thinking of creating a website to support persons interested  
> in games (serious gaming, advergaming, games for learning). One of  
> the idea I have had in that context is to set up some section "rent  
> an elearning developer" and "rent an animator". More generally,  
> what I am keen on is building bridges so to allow faster and easier  
> access to the huge amount of resources that already exist for both  
> teachers and learners.
>
> The big problem, however, is the one highlighted above. If I start  
> this, I will have plenty of persons very enthusiastic about this  
> and encouraging me to go ahead. But in 3-6 months time, I will be  
> mostly alone to take care of everything.
>
> I am trying to find ways to secure the participation of persons, to  
> give them a reason to contribute (good visibility in some tutorial  
> section is good credentials when persons have to decide whether to  
> hire you as a developer".
>
> Persons who would be interested in discussing this kind of idea in  
> order to get something started that would be sustainable and  
> successful are invited to take contact with me.
>
> Rather than go madly on all fronts, I would prefer to select a few  
> number of initiatives or to associate with persons who are ready to  
> take responsibility for a given sector/area... such that again, we  
> avoid the duplication of resources and efforts.
>
> Marielle
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 17 13:25:00 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:25:00 -0500
Subject: answer file of type ... ?
In-Reply-To: <3BEE800D-8F06-41C5-AFE5-DADD9B9C5441@kagi.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>	<BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
	<3BEE800D-8F06-41C5-AFE5-DADD9B9C5441@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <45FC246C.9020304@hyperactivesw.com>

kee nethery wrote:

> I found a format that works on Mac OS X.
> 
> answer file "select the .ics file" with type "iCal file|ics"
> 
> that is "iCal file" then a pipe "|" then the file suffix without the dot 
> "ics"
> 
> "iCal file" can be seen as the "Kind" of file in the Mac OS X finder 
> window with the files in a list. The file suffix is visible as part of 
> the file name. The example I pulled this from had a file type as the 
> third element "iCal file|ics|RCSK" where "RCSK" would be the Finder File 
> Type but this appears to be optional.
> 
> This is not an example displayed in the "answer file command" docs. 

It has its own entry listed under "answer file with type". The entry is 
also listed as a "see also" under the older "answer file" command entry. 
The new format was introduced in Rev 2.6 and will work cross-platform. 
If  you use the older "answer file" syntax, you need to branch the 
"answer" command depending on platform. The newer entry works with the 
same command everywhere.

An example of the newer syntax is:

answer files "Select images:" with type "JPEG Images|jpg|JPEG"

The types you use should be a return-delimited list of values of the 
form "tag|extensions|filetypes". This lets you list Windows extensions 
in the second piped item and Mac file types in the last one. If you omit 
the last string (which you say works okay) then I'm guessing the command 
may only look at file name extensions and may not include any files of 
the correct type that don't have extensions in their names. I haven't 
tested that though.

Regarding discovery of Mac file types, another way to find out what 
these are is to get the "detailed files" of a folder that contains a 
file whose type you want to know. (See the "files" entry in the docs.) 
The last item of each line in the list will be the Mac creator and type 
codes, provided you are on a Mac when you do it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Mar 17 14:33:39 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:33:39 -0800
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <85172428609.20070316202234@ahsoftware.net>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<85172428609.20070316202234@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <125352436.20070317103339@ahsoftware.net>


Interesting. I thought I was sending this off-list, but it had been a
long day at work and I wasn't paying attention. Hope someone finds
this useful anyway.

I thought the list software didn't handle attachments, but I guess
that's not quite true... good to know.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 17 14:26:14 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 13:26:14 -0500
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <125352436.20070317103339@ahsoftware.net>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>	<85172428609.20070316202234@ahsoftware.net>
	<125352436.20070317103339@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <45FC32C6.2000509@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:
> Interesting. I thought I was sending this off-list, but it had been a
> long day at work and I wasn't paying attention. Hope someone finds
> this useful anyway.

I did, it it helps.

> 
> I thought the list software didn't handle attachments, but I guess
> that's not quite true... good to know.
> 

It doesn't, but your attachment was an inline text file so the listbot 
apparently thought it was just a text entry.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From david at openpartnership.net  Sat Mar 17 15:36:55 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:36:55 +0100
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
In-Reply-To: <etenh5$dbs$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no>
	<20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com>
	<64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu>
	<1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>
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On 16/03/07, Bill Marriott <wjm at wjm.org> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> > 1) Redevelop the software using standard web technology for which there
> > are
> > many developers available.
> > 2) Buy a commercial package
> > 3) Adopt a mixed open source strategy
>
> Unfortunately I cannot agree with you on *ANY* of these recommendations.


Strange I agree with most of yours!

If you really believe this, why the heck are you using Rev at all?


It's my prefered development platform. I can do pretty well anything I need
with it, more reliably and faster than with any other platform.

These
> arguments could be used against any desktop application


 Which is why rightly or wrongly desktop apps are moving increasingly to web
based apps. For apps that can oly be delivered on the desktop your arguments
hold strong - it may be that this is true for Signe's app - but there are
less justifications now than there used to be for Desktop apps.

I think for all practical purposes the answer to the original poster is:
> Find a Vista machine and try your stuff out. If for some reason it doesn't
> work, try re-building the standalone with Rev 2.8. It will undoubtedly
> work
> great and continue to do so for the forseeable future.


Could well be. I'd find it hard to think of an application in a University
setting that has that sort of requirements stability - which is why I'd
stand by going with the people and not the technology - maybe an app will
not technically need updating over the next 3 years - but most University
applications I come across need annual updates because the requirements
change - new teachers demand new things - and courses evolve pretty fast
(with some exceptions). Perhaps this is the case for Signe - I can't picture
it in the courses I know about.

I'f I'm somehow misunderstanding you, please help clarify.


3) is a bit of a shorthand, and I'd agree with your caution. I tried to word
what I said without promising it to be an easy path. Most open source
projects are a have for bugs and truly shoddy work. The larger communities
are pretty solid by now though - personally i find Firefox rock solid and
upgrading basic installations of MediaWiki or WordPress are in the main done
for you with a one click upgrade in many hosting set-ups - its the custom
bits and small projects that cause the problems. Again this says to me - go
with the people not the technology (both WordPress and MediaWiki are not
strong technically) - as the upgrades come for free.

A main reason to stick with Rev is this community and the help given - the
time taken with your reply is no exception. My advice was to stick with a
human centered approach - if there is a Rev developer or a teacher that
wants to learn stick with that - if not don't encourage the university to
put more resources into an application without the human resources to mange
the inevitable change in requirements.


From jc at spl21.net  Sat Mar 17 17:19:05 2007
From: jc at spl21.net (John Craig)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:19:05 +0000
Subject: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
In-Reply-To: <45FAE604.3010206@fourthworld.com>
References: <45FAE604.3010206@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <45FC5B49.1030306@spl21.net>

My current flash drive got washed at 40 degrees when I accidentally left 
it in my jeans pocket - still seems to work perfectly, but be warned;
Like all flash memory devices, flash drives can sustain only a limited 
number of wash and rinse cycles before failure.




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Mar 17 17:29:29 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 14:29:29 -0700
Subject: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
Message-ID: <45FC5DB9.2060208@fourthworld.com>

John Craig wrote:
> My current flash drive got washed at 40 degrees when I accidentally left 
> it in my jeans pocket - still seems to work perfectly, but be warned;
> Like all flash memory devices, flash drives can sustain only a limited 
> number of wash and rinse cycles before failure.

I'll keep that in mind. :)

I haven't run that test myself, but I have run some durability tests: 
I've dropped mine many times while backpacking and hiking, watched it 
tumble over rocks, sand, and cactus, and this lightweight full-featured 
(yes, with voice recording -- sorry, Apple) unit just keeps on working 
like a champ.


My main interest in the original thread about writes was less about my 
own usage than the viability of delivering such devices with my app 
pre-installed to customers as a bundle.  I've found some great outlets 
that do custom logos and replication, and the prices are unbelievably 
low (sorry, Apple).

But if I encourage customers to run their stuff from the flash drive, 
I'll want to do so in a way that gives them some lifespan.  At a minimum 
this means turning off any auto-save features, or at least turning down 
the save interval over what we have in the desktop version.

If anyone here has had experiences with failing devices it would be good 
to know about to help determine the viability of such bundling.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Sat Mar 17 17:49:13 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:49:13 -0500
Subject: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
In-Reply-To: <45FC5DB9.2060208@fourthworld.com>
References: <45FC5DB9.2060208@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703171449heeea5afj4598de9a00b6071a@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,

I've used them from the beginning, and have yet to have one fail. I keep one
or two in my pocket at all times. I suspect they're a bit like Plasma
screens. A lot of talk about the shelf-life, but when you actually figure
out how much you're using it, you see it will last for years and years.

-Chipp


From kee at kagi.com  Sat Mar 17 18:20:24 2007
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:20:24 -0700
Subject: answer file of type ... ?
In-Reply-To: <45FC246C.9020304@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>	<BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
	<3BEE800D-8F06-41C5-AFE5-DADD9B9C5441@kagi.com>
	<45FC246C.9020304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5755D9DD-F77E-4F96-BBF1-8C340018BACD@kagi.com>

you are truly a goddess! thanks.

To the runrev powers that be, in the docs,

1. when the search is "answer file", please have "answer file with  
type command" appear in the search results
2. in the "answer file" entry, please include the notation that this  
format is being depreciated and that "answer file with type command"  
is recommended for new code.
3. in the "answer file with type command" add Jacgue's note:  
Regarding discovery of Mac file types, another way to find out what  
these are is to get the "detailed files" of a folder that contains a  
file whose type you want to know. (See the "files" entry in the  
docs.) The last item of each line in the list will be the Mac creator  
and type codes, provided you are on a Mac when you do it.

Kee


On Mar 17, 2007, at 10:25 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> kee nethery wrote:
>
>> I found a format that works on Mac OS X.
>> answer file "select the .ics file" with type "iCal file|ics"
>> that is "iCal file" then a pipe "|" then the file suffix without  
>> the dot "ics"
>> "iCal file" can be seen as the "Kind" of file in the Mac OS X  
>> finder window with the files in a list. The file suffix is visible  
>> as part of the file name. The example I pulled this from had a  
>> file type as the third element "iCal file|ics|RCSK" where "RCSK"  
>> would be the Finder File Type but this appears to be optional.
>> This is not an example displayed in the "answer file command" docs.
>
> It has its own entry listed under "answer file with type". The  
> entry is also listed as a "see also" under the older "answer file"  
> command entry. The new format was introduced in Rev 2.6 and will  
> work cross-platform. If  you use the older "answer file" syntax,  
> you need to branch the "answer" command depending on platform. The  
> newer entry works with the same command everywhere.
>
> An example of the newer syntax is:
>
> answer files "Select images:" with type "JPEG Images|jpg|JPEG"
>
> The types you use should be a return-delimited list of values of  
> the form "tag|extensions|filetypes". This lets you list Windows  
> extensions in the second piped item and Mac file types in the last  
> one. If you omit the last string (which you say works okay) then  
> I'm guessing the command may only look at file name extensions and  
> may not include any files of the correct type that don't have  
> extensions in their names. I haven't tested that though.
>
> Regarding discovery of Mac file types, another way to find out what  
> these are is to get the "detailed files" of a folder that contains  
> a file whose type you want to know. (See the "files" entry in the  
> docs.) The last item of each line in the list will be the Mac  
> creator and type codes, provided you are on a Mac when you do it.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Sat Mar 17 18:37:58 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:37:58 +0000
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
In-Reply-To: <etg0ap$o3c$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no><20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com><64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu><1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>
	<BE5DD29C-E75B-4BFB-931C-82DE4F5EE150@byu.edu>
	<etg0ap$o3c$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <86CF26B7-AFE0-4BB9-91D5-B59A0B52FFA9@anachreon.co.uk>

Is it just me or is that as clear as Ribena?

Cheers,

Luis.


On 17 Mar 2007, at 5:40, Bill Marriott wrote:

>> I can't answer all your Windows question with authority, but let  
>> me  just
>> point out that if you have Rev 2.7 already, 2.8 is a free   
>> upgrade, as 2.9
>> will be.
>
> - Revolution 2.8 is free to users who had an active license as of its
> release on February 19, 2007, per the usual licensing arrangement.
>
> - Revolution 2.9 will be free to anyone who had an active license  
> as of
> February 1, 2006, or purchased any version after that date.
>
> Thus, there are some customers for whom 2.9 will be free, but 2.8  
> is not.
>
>
>
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Mar 17 18:44:54 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:44:54 -0700
Subject: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
In-Reply-To: <45FC5DB9.2060208@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C221BD76.21724%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> But if I encourage customers to run their stuff from the flash drive,
> I'll want to do so in a way that gives them some lifespan.  At a minimum
> this means turning off any auto-save features, or at least turning down
> the save interval over what we have in the desktop version.

Not the answer to your original question but how about encouraging initial
backup on the user's drive at first launch, or providing backup as an
automatic feature?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com




From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sat Mar 17 18:49:46 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 15:49:46 -0700
Subject: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210703171449heeea5afj4598de9a00b6071a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C221BE9A.21726%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Chipp Walters wrote:

> I've used them from the beginning, and have yet to have one fail.

You know those thumb drives from the first RevCon?  ALL the data on the
drive I received became corrupt at some point, without my using it.  Just
popped it into a USB port one day, and while I could see all the files, non
would open or decompress.  I was able to reformat the drive, and it has
worked since, but the experience has made me a tiny bit leery of the
hardware.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com




From wjm at wjm.org  Sat Mar 17 19:09:46 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:09:46 -0400
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no><20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com><64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu><1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no><BE5DD29C-E75B-4BFB-931C-82DE4F5EE150@byu.edu><etg0ap$o3c$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<86CF26B7-AFE0-4BB9-91D5-B59A0B52FFA9@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <ethsjl$pm9$1@sea.gmane.org>

Luis,

> Is it just me or is that as clear as Ribena?

I'm not sure what's unclear about what I wrote. Maybe you mean, it's unusual 
to charge for an update when a future one will be free. But that's the way 
it is.

>> - Revolution 2.8 is free to users who had an active license as of its
>> release on February 19, 2007, per the usual licensing arrangement.
>>
>> - Revolution 2.9 will be free to anyone who had an active license  as of 
>> February 1, 2006, or purchased any version after that date.
>>
>> Thus, there are some customers for whom 2.9 will be free, but 2.8  is 
>> not.





From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 17 19:17:48 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:17:48 -0700
Subject: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
In-Reply-To: <C221BE9A.21726%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C221C52C.44153%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

A little poem flashed into my head...

Not to be trusted,
especially when rusted.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/17/07 3:49 PM, "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

> Recently, Chipp Walters wrote:
> 
>> I've used them from the beginning, and have yet to have one fail.
> 
> You know those thumb drives from the first RevCon?  ALL the data on the
> drive I received became corrupt at some point, without my using it.  Just
> popped it into a USB port one day, and while I could see all the files, non
> would open or decompress.  I was able to reformat the drive, and it has
> worked since, but the experience has made me a tiny bit leery of the
> hardware.




From wjm at wjm.org  Sat Mar 17 19:27:17 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:27:17 -0400
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no><20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com><64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu><1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no><c1c5836b0703160854q97ef3ddl3f9d0bc5845e83e7@mail.gmail.com><etenh5$dbs$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<c1c5836b0703171236i576bbb19m491701f959251681@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ethtkg$s63$1@sea.gmane.org>

> Strange I agree with most of yours!

That's the power of logic for you ;)

> Could well be. I'd find it hard to think of an application in a University
> setting that has that sort of requirements stability - which is why I'd
> stand by going with the people and not the technology - maybe an app will
> not technically need updating over the next 3 years - but most University
> applications I come across need annual updates because the requirements
> change - new teachers demand new things - and courses evolve pretty fast
> (with some exceptions). Perhaps this is the case for Signe - I can't 
> picture
> it in the courses I know about.

The point about updating the content is valid; however if there is a 
facility, or front-end, for doing this with the app(s) in question, that may 
not be a consideration. I'm sure there's a wide range of universities... 
dynamic ones like Brigham Young and perhaps more conservative ones. But 
let's say that Signe's is one of the faster-moving ones and it would need to 
be updated based on changing requirements....

> A main reason to stick with Rev is this community and the help given [...]
> My advice was to stick with a human centered approach - if there is a Rev 
> developer or a teacher that wants to learn stick with that - if not don't 
> encourage the university to put more resources into an application without 
> the human resources to mange the inevitable change in requirements.

I'd wager that a first-year comp sci undergraduate with no prior knowledge 
of xTalk could be sat down in front of the typical Revolution stack and make 
any updates required in the time it took for the other three routes to get 
past the research/requirements phase. That's the great strength of our 
beloved platform.

> I can do pretty well anything I need with [Revolution], more reliably and 
> faster than with any other platform.

Ah, maybe we agree after all!

- Bill 





From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Mar 17 19:39:22 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:39:22 -0400
Subject: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
In-Reply-To: <C221BE9A.21726%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C221BE9A.21726%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c2222c4af9bd@[192.168.0.110]>

That REVCON drive didn't work very well when I got it. I had to 
reformat right away. Also PC formatted drives on Macs seem to be a 
bad idea in general if you don't have to.

>Recently, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>>  I've used them from the beginning, and have yet to have one fail.
>
>You know those thumb drives from the first RevCon?  ALL the data on the
>drive I received became corrupt at some point, without my using it.  Just
>popped it into a USB port one day, and while I could see all the files, non
>would open or decompress.  I was able to reformat the drive, and it has
>worked since, but the experience has made me a tiny bit leery of the
>hardware.
>
>Regards,
>
>Scott Rossi

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From jiml at netrin.com  Sat Mar 17 19:43:06 2007
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 16:43:06 -0700
Subject: Unusual Problem
In-Reply-To: <20070317171339.4077D488F5F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070317171339.4077D488F5F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7ad12601958b98d65b208623e78599de@netrin.com>

> Why is the user not returned to
> the third card where the print button is after printing is completed?

Push and Pop could be handy here.

Jim Lambert 



From wjm at wjm.org  Sat Mar 17 19:42:30 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:42:30 -0400
Subject: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
References: <7aa52a210703171449heeea5afj4598de9a00b6071a@mail.gmail.com>
	<C221BE9A.21726%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <ethuh1$ui2$1@sea.gmane.org>

You know, thumb drives are getting cheaper and cheaper. TigerDirect has 
512MB models from Kingston and Memorex for $9.95, no rebate required. And a 
PNY 128MB one for $4.99 after rebate. NewEgg has a 256 MB one for $6.99, 
free 3-day shipping:

http://tinyurl.com/36xkbg

Would be easy enough to write a stack to determine how long a stick can 
sustain constant writes and the performance curve of those writes. 





From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Mar 17 20:58:26 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:58:26 -0400
Subject: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
In-Reply-To: <ethuh1$ui2$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <7aa52a210703171449heeea5afj4598de9a00b6071a@mail.gmail.com>
	<C221BE9A.21726%scott@tactilemedia.com> <ethuh1$ui2$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <p06240803c2223ed852f0@[192.168.0.110]>

The 2Gig drives are now $49 at CompUSA - two different companies.
It's fast enough to write 44.1k stereo audio in real time.

>You know, thumb drives are getting cheaper and cheaper. TigerDirect has
>512MB models from Kingston and Memorex for $9.95, no rebate required. And a
>PNY 128MB one for $4.99 after rebate. NewEgg has a 256 MB one for $6.99,
>free 3-day shipping:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/36xkbg
>
>Would be easy enough to write a stack to determine how long a stick can
>sustain constant writes and the performance curve of those writes.
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sat Mar 17 22:00:42 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:00:42 -0400
Subject: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
Message-ID: <OF553967A0.AED07939-ON852572A2.00096B5F@sealedair.com>

> The 2Gig drives are now $49 at CompUSA - two different companies.
> It's fast enough to write 44.1k stereo audio in real time.

You can even get an 8Gig drive for $79 at TigerDirect.com. It comes with 
excellent backup software for PC. This is not a U3 drive, so you don't 
have to use the included software. I have used it to backup all of my Rev 
stack files on my PC at the end of each day. It synchronizes to any 
folders I have configured, and does so very quickly. Currently, I 
reformatted it and have OS X installed on it (including Revolution and a 
few other apps) with 2Gig to spare. A MacPro can boot from USB drives as 
well as Firewire (not sure about other models). OMG! I have a pocket Mac! 
(almost anyway) lol

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2749424&sku=T555-1112

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 22:32:56 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:32:56 +1000
Subject: Mouse messages while down
Message-ID: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>

I'm having a blank moment here and I can't work out how to solve what
should be a simple problem.

I have a grid of about 400 buttons and I have a mouseDown handler in
the card script to detect which of these buttons is clicked first.

Then I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around and I want to
detect which button is under the pointer when the mouse is released.
Ideally, I want to detect which button is under the pointer at all
times while the mouse is down.

The problem is that no other messages seem to be sent while the mouse
is down (mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseStillDown etc). I can detect
mouseRelease but "the target" is my original button so it doesn't tell
me where the mouse is now. Checking "the mouseControl" in the
mouseRelease handler also gives the original target.

It's looking as if I may have to do some continuous polling, but I
know that is generally frowned upon, so I would be grateful for any
other suggestions.

Thanks,
Sarah


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 17 22:50:40 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:50:40 -0700
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C221F710.44166%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

how about:
Use the within function to determine whether a point is inside the specified
object.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/17/07 7:32 PM, "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm having a blank moment here and I can't work out how to solve what
> should be a simple problem.
> 
> I have a grid of about 400 buttons and I have a mouseDown handler in
> the card script to detect which of these buttons is clicked first.
> 
> Then I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around and I want to
> detect which button is under the pointer when the mouse is released.
> Ideally, I want to detect which button is under the pointer at all
> times while the mouse is down.
> 
> The problem is that no other messages seem to be sent while the mouse
> is down (mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseStillDown etc). I can detect
> mouseRelease but "the target" is my original button so it doesn't tell
> me where the mouse is now. Checking "the mouseControl" in the
> mouseRelease handler also gives the original target.
> 
> It's looking as if I may have to do some continuous polling, but I
> know that is generally frowned upon, so I would be grateful for any
> other suggestions.




From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 17 23:06:11 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 20:06:11 -0700
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>

Sarah,

I don't  fully understand what you're trying to do, but something  
like the following should get you continuous x,y that you should be  
able to use in some manner or another to determine which button is  
affected:

on mousedown
   repeat while the mouse is down
     get the mouseloc
     -- do something with it
   end repeat
end mousedown

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> I'm having a blank moment here and I can't work out how to solve what
> should be a simple problem.
>
> I have a grid of about 400 buttons and I have a mouseDown handler in
> the card script to detect which of these buttons is clicked first.
>
> Then I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around and I want to
> detect which button is under the pointer when the mouse is released.
> Ideally, I want to detect which button is under the pointer at all
> times while the mouse is down.
>
> The problem is that no other messages seem to be sent while the mouse
> is down (mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseStillDown etc). I can detect
> mouseRelease but "the target" is my original button so it doesn't tell
> me where the mouse is now. Checking "the mouseControl" in the
> mouseRelease handler also gives the original target.
>
> It's looking as if I may have to do some continuous polling, but I
> know that is generally frowned upon, so I would be grateful for any
> other suggestions.
>
> Thanks,
> Sarah
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 23:22:34 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:22:34 +1000
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jim & Joe,

That works OK, using a "repeat while the mouse is down loop" and then
checking the mouseLoc to see whether it is within the rect of any of
my 400 buttons each time.

I thought this sort of polling was not considered a good idea. It
seems fine on my 2GHz Intel Mac, but I'm not sure how it would go on
slower machines.

It still seems odd that I can't get the data I need without having to do this.

Cheers,
Sarah



On 3/18/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
> Sarah,
>
> I don't  fully understand what you're trying to do, but something
> like the following should get you continuous x,y that you should be
> able to use in some manner or another to determine which button is
> affected:
>
> on mousedown
>    repeat while the mouse is down
>      get the mouseloc
>      -- do something with it
>    end repeat
> end mousedown
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
> > I'm having a blank moment here and I can't work out how to solve what
> > should be a simple problem.
> >
> > I have a grid of about 400 buttons and I have a mouseDown handler in
> > the card script to detect which of these buttons is clicked first.
> >
> > Then I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around and I want to
> > detect which button is under the pointer when the mouse is released.
> > Ideally, I want to detect which button is under the pointer at all
> > times while the mouse is down.
> >
> > The problem is that no other messages seem to be sent while the mouse
> > is down (mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseStillDown etc). I can detect
> > mouseRelease but "the target" is my original button so it doesn't tell
> > me where the mouse is now. Checking "the mouseControl" in the
> > mouseRelease handler also gives the original target.
> >
> > It's looking as if I may have to do some continuous polling, but I
> > know that is generally frowned upon, so I would be grateful for any
> > other suggestions.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sarah
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
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From wjm at wjm.org  Sat Mar 17 23:58:25 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:58:25 -0400
Subject: Mouse messages while down
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com><23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <etidd1$ujj$1@sea.gmane.org>

Sarah,

Try this script in the card:

--
global trackMouse

on mouseDown
    put true into trackMouse
end mouseDown

on mouseMove
    if trackMouse = true then
        put "mouseMove" && the target & return after fld 1
        pass mouseMove
    end if
end mouseMove

on mouseRelease
    if trackMouse = true then
        put "mouseRelease" && the target & return after fld 1
        pass mouseRelease
    end if
end mouseRelease

on mouseLeave
    if trackMouse = true then
        put "mouseLeave" && the target & return after fld 1
        pass mouseLeave
    end if
end mouseLeave


on mouseEnter
    if trackMouse = true then
        put "mouseEnter" && the target & return after fld 1
        put false into trackMouse
        pass mouseEnter
    end if
end mouseEnter
--

I think you will find that once you press the mouse button:

- mouse down is sent to the original button
- mouseMoves are continually sent to the original button wherever you move 
the mouse
- when you release, you get a mouseRelease sent to the original button
- then a mouseMove is sent to the button you released over,
- then a mouseLeave sent to the original button,
- then a mouseEnter sent to the button you released over

- Bill

"Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> 
wrote in message 
news:f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158 at mail.gmail.com...
> Thanks Jim & Joe,
>
> That works OK, using a "repeat while the mouse is down loop" and then
> checking the mouseLoc to see whether it is within the rect of any of
> my 400 buttons each time.
>
> I thought this sort of polling was not considered a good idea. It
> seems fine on my 2GHz Intel Mac, but I'm not sure how it would go on
> slower machines.
>
> It still seems odd that I can't get the data I need without having to do 
> this.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
>
>
> On 3/18/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> 
> wrote:
>> Sarah,
>>
>> I don't  fully understand what you're trying to do, but something
>> like the following should get you continuous x,y that you should be
>> able to use in some manner or another to determine which button is
>> affected:
>>
>> on mousedown
>>    repeat while the mouse is down
>>      get the mouseloc
>>      -- do something with it
>>    end repeat
>> end mousedown
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>
>> > I'm having a blank moment here and I can't work out how to solve what
>> > should be a simple problem.
>> >
>> > I have a grid of about 400 buttons and I have a mouseDown handler in
>> > the card script to detect which of these buttons is clicked first.
>> >
>> > Then I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around and I want to
>> > detect which button is under the pointer when the mouse is released.
>> > Ideally, I want to detect which button is under the pointer at all
>> > times while the mouse is down.
>> >
>> > The problem is that no other messages seem to be sent while the mouse
>> > is down (mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseStillDown etc). I can detect
>> > mouseRelease but "the target" is my original button so it doesn't tell
>> > me where the mouse is now. Checking "the mouseControl" in the
>> > mouseRelease handler also gives the original target.
>> >
>> > It's looking as if I may have to do some continuous polling, but I
>> > know that is generally frowned upon, so I would be grateful for any
>> > other suggestions.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Sarah
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-revolution mailing list
>> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> > subscription preferences:
>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Mar 18 00:03:28 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:03:28 -0400
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240804c22268721310@[192.168.0.110]>

Jerry figured it out a while ago -- Galaxy always shows the object 
name and path of the object it is hovering above. I think mousemove 
may be part of it.

from the docs: "Sent periodically while the mouse button is being held down."



this gets close to what you want I think.

ON mouseMove
          put the target
END mouseMove



>It still seems odd that I can't get the data I need without having to do this.
>
>Cheers,
>Sarah
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 18 00:05:04 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:05:04 -0700
Subject: Mouse messages while down
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References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
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Sarah,

By and large, I would not put this in the category of "polling";  
since nothing can be done while the mouse is down anyway. That's just  
the way it is. Now, if this repeat loop was being used in a mouseup  
handler, then it would be "polling" because all sorts of things can  
take place once the mouse button is released. So, I wouldn't feel  
badly about using this. Even fairly slow machines are going to react  
in exactly the same manner. They're just waiting for the user to make  
up her mind. (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 17, 2007, at 8:22 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Thanks Jim & Joe,
>
> That works OK, using a "repeat while the mouse is down loop" and then
> checking the mouseLoc to see whether it is within the rect of any of
> my 400 buttons each time.
>
> I thought this sort of polling was not considered a good idea. It
> seems fine on my 2GHz Intel Mac, but I'm not sure how it would go on
> slower machines.
>
> It still seems odd that I can't get the data I need without having  
> to do this.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
>
>
> On 3/18/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>> Sarah,
>>
>> I don't  fully understand what you're trying to do, but something
>> like the following should get you continuous x,y that you should be
>> able to use in some manner or another to determine which button is
>> affected:
>>
>> on mousedown
>>    repeat while the mouse is down
>>      get the mouseloc
>>      -- do something with it
>>    end repeat
>> end mousedown
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>
>> > I'm having a blank moment here and I can't work out how to solve  
>> what
>> > should be a simple problem.
>> >
>> > I have a grid of about 400 buttons and I have a mouseDown  
>> handler in
>> > the card script to detect which of these buttons is clicked first.
>> >
>> > Then I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around and I  
>> want to
>> > detect which button is under the pointer when the mouse is  
>> released.
>> > Ideally, I want to detect which button is under the pointer at all
>> > times while the mouse is down.
>> >
>> > The problem is that no other messages seem to be sent while the  
>> mouse
>> > is down (mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseStillDown etc). I can detect
>> > mouseRelease but "the target" is my original button so it  
>> doesn't tell
>> > me where the mouse is now. Checking "the mouseControl" in the
>> > mouseRelease handler also gives the original target.
>> >
>> > It's looking as if I may have to do some continuous polling, but I
>> > know that is generally frowned upon, so I would be grateful for any
>> > other suggestions.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Sarah
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 18 00:15:38 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:15:38 -0500
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45FCBCEA.3060404@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> Thanks Jim & Joe,
> 
> That works OK, using a "repeat while the mouse is down loop" and then
> checking the mouseLoc to see whether it is within the rect of any of
> my 400 buttons each time.
> 
> I thought this sort of polling was not considered a good idea. It
> seems fine on my 2GHz Intel Mac, but I'm not sure how it would go on
> slower machines.
> 
> It still seems odd that I can't get the data I need without having to do 
> this.

Yeah, bad idea. At least, according to Mr. Raney. Sometimes it's the 
only way though.

A more politically correct way is to use a mousemove handler. Set a 
script local when the mouse goes down or up. Then use mousemove to check 
whether the variable flag is set. If not, pass mousemove. If so, check 
the mouse location. Off the top of my head:

local sFlag

on mouseDown
  put true into sFlag -- or you could use the button ID as the flag
end mouseDown

on mouseUp
  put false into sFlag
end mouseUp

on mouseMove x,y
  if sFlag <> true then pass mouseMove
  repeat with n = 1 to the number of btns
   if x,y is within the rect of btn n then
     put n into tTarget
     exit repeat
   end if
  end repeat
end mouseMove

I use this method in my Klondike game.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kee at kagi.com  Sun Mar 18 00:19:58 2007
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:19:58 -0700
Subject: Revolution and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <45FC246C.9020304@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>	<BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
	<3BEE800D-8F06-41C5-AFE5-DADD9B9C5441@kagi.com>
	<45FC246C.9020304@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <6F39E17A-05A5-4BE8-AD1F-F62BEADE4617@kagi.com>

My primary problem is that I need to access a web page that is UTF8,  
and convert it to unicode so that I can edit it and save it out as a  
file of unicode. There are a few good examples of how to deal with  
unicode in revolution but so far no examples of using get URL  
"http:// ..." to obtain the UTF8 web page and convert it to unicode.


Here are things I have learned about revolution and unicode after  
many hours of searching:

The DVD from Revcon 2006 has the talk by Devin Asay on unicode and it  
covers lots of the gotchas on using Unicode.
<http://www.runrev.com/offers/conference_dvd.php>

Devin has a web page with some similar content
<http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/unicodeInRev.html>

His stack from the Revcon 2006 presentation has the example scripts  
that he referred to and although I have a copy from the conference, I  
cannot find any references to it online to provide a url.

The name revolution is terrible when doing google searches because it  
is so generic. The hits on Revolution and Unicode rarely discuss  
runtime revolution and it's unicode capabilities.

The thing that does seem useful is searching in google with this:
unicode url site:lists.runrev.com

and the closest entries to the problem I am running into are:
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-June/037825.html>
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2004-June/037848.html>

If this is hopeless using
get URL "http:// ..."
to grab utf8 and convert it to unicode it would be great to know that  
now.

Thanks in advance,
Kee Nethery


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Mar 18 00:22:38 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:22:38 -0400
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <66BD6EC9-BD82-4BA0-AA9F-0E786BD6E3D4@Cox.Net>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
	<66BD6EC9-BD82-4BA0-AA9F-0E786BD6E3D4@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <p06240805c2226e4d7277@[192.168.0.110]>

Sorry Joe, polling is just plain bad practice and could interfere 
with other messaging code. Rev gives plenty of ways to deal with 
messages that one should never have to use idle.

You still have your hypercard hat on. Untie the chains!

sqb

>Sarah,
>
>By and large, I would not put this in the category of "polling"; 
>since nothing can be done while the mouse is down anyway. That's 
>just the way it is. Now, if this repeat loop was being used in a 
>mouseup handler, then it would be "polling" because all sorts of 
>things can take place once the mouse button is released. So, I 
>wouldn't feel badly about using this. Even fairly slow machines are 
>going to react in exactly the same manner. They're just waiting for 
>the user to make up her mind. (smile)
>
>Joe Wilkins

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 18 00:54:00 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 21:54:00 -0700
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <p06240805c2226e4d7277@[192.168.0.110]>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
	<66BD6EC9-BD82-4BA0-AA9F-0E786BD6E3D4@Cox.Net>
	<p06240805c2226e4d7277@[192.168.0.110]>
Message-ID: <2351D2DC-A5AD-4AF7-97B2-A446EF5A7F52@Cox.Net>

Stephen,

So you're saying that with Rev, when the Mouse is Down, other  
messages can still be sent/received "unless" a repeat loop of the  
nature I suggested is invoked, so that it IS polling in the sense  
that it interrupts the normal flow? I guess things have gotten more  
complicated than I think they should. Of course, that's mostly  
because I'm content to do one thing at a time. Guess you could say  
I'm a stick in the mud! Thank for the observations, nonetheless.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 17, 2007, at 9:22 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Sorry Joe, polling is just plain bad practice and could interfere  
> with other messaging code. Rev gives plenty of ways to deal with  
> messages that one should never have to use idle.
>
> You still have your hypercard hat on. Untie the chains!
>
> sqb
>
>> Sarah,
>>
>> By and large, I would not put this in the category of "polling";  
>> since nothing can be done while the mouse is down anyway. That's  
>> just the way it is. Now, if this repeat loop was being used in a  
>> mouseup handler, then it would be "polling" because all sorts of  
>> things can take place once the mouse button is released. So, I  
>> wouldn't feel badly about using this. Even fairly slow machines  
>> are going to react in exactly the same manner. They're just  
>> waiting for the user to make up her mind. (smile)
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>
>
>
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From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sun Mar 18 02:09:42 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:09:42 -0800
Subject: [OFF] Input/Info Requested
In-Reply-To: <45FC32C6.2000509@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<85172428609.20070316202234@ahsoftware.net>
	<125352436.20070317103339@ahsoftware.net>
	<45FC32C6.2000509@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4047114997.20070317220942@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Saturday, March 17, 2007, 10:26:14 AM, you wrote:

>> I thought the list software didn't handle attachments, but I guess
>> that's not quite true... good to know.
>> 

> It doesn't, but your attachment was an inline text file so the listbot
> apparently thought it was just a text entry.

It's not, actually. It's a text file attached to a text message.
That's two different MIME encodings. IF you look at the message
header, the message part gets a 7bit tag and the text file is
base64-encoded with a Content-Disposition of attachment.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 18 01:17:07 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 22:17:07 -0700
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <2351D2DC-A5AD-4AF7-97B2-A446EF5A7F52@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C2221963.44177%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

> On Mar 17, 2007, at 9:22 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:
> 
>> Sorry Joe, polling is just plain bad practice and could interfere
>> with other messaging code. Rev gives plenty of ways to deal with
>> messages that one should never have to use idle.
>> 
>> You still have your hypercard hat on. Untie the chains!
On 3/17/07 9:54 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> Stephen,
> 
> So you're saying that with Rev, when the Mouse is Down, other
> messages can still be sent/received "unless" a repeat loop of the
> nature I suggested is invoked, so that it IS polling in the sense
> that it interrupts the normal flow? I guess things have gotten more
> complicated than I think they should. Of course, that's mostly
> because I'm content to do one thing at a time. Guess you could say
> I'm a stick in the mud! Thank for the observations, nonetheless.

The Hypercard way of doing this was to use a repeat loop checking for
mouseStillDown...
but mouseMove is better since Rev sends this to the card of the topmost
stack all the time, unless blocked, even when you are not checking for it.
Yep, all the time, but only when the cursor is within a Rev stack window,
which makes sense, since it sends the x,y with the message.

 Now you can have each button receive the messages:
mouseEnter
mouseLeave
which are sent by Rev.  Blocking means the buttons will not "see" them.

Malte is an expert at this stuff.  Chipp found a bug about a year ago in the
mouseLeave sequence with buttons and posted a fix, but I cannot remember the
details.

Hope this helps you Sarah.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sun Mar 18 02:04:34 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 03:04:34 -0300
Subject: Mouse messages while down
Message-ID: <45FCD672.7070707@howsoft.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
I want the user to be able to drag the mouse around....

Mouse messages while down: SQUEAK! (poor thing)



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Mar 18 03:12:18 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:12:18 +1000
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <45FCBCEA.3060404@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
	<45FCBCEA.3060404@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703180012l455428fev21843be60e685599@mail.gmail.com>

> > I thought this sort of polling was not considered a good idea. It
> > seems fine on my 2GHz Intel Mac, but I'm not sure how it would go on
> > slower machines.
> >
> > It still seems odd that I can't get the data I need without having to do
> > this.
>
> Yeah, bad idea. At least, according to Mr. Raney. Sometimes it's the
> only way though.
>
> A more politically correct way is to use a mousemove handler. Set a
> script local when the mouse goes down or up. Then use mousemove to check
> whether the variable flag is set. If not, pass mousemove. If so, check
> the mouse location. Off the top of my head:
>

The top of your head worked fine thanks Jacque :-)

I'm now doing the politically correct mouseMove instead of using
repeat while mouse is down. But it still leaves me having to check the
location all the time to see whether it is inside one of my 400
buttons. It seems that the mouseControl should be able to report where
the mouse is without me having to check it manually. But mouseControl
gets stuck when you click down and never changes until the mouse comes
up again.

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and suggestions.

Cheers,
Sarah


From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 18 03:26:33 2007
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 00:26:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: buttons move from group rect to the twilight zone
Message-ID: <977245.13459.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

When my buttons move outside the rect of their group,
they disappear! Pixel by pixel. On the other hand,
setting the locations brings the group rect along to the new location. 
The groups are needed because there is a new card for each"event" 
(tX ,tY , tIcon etc.) allowing graphics at any point.
 
Got way behind on Rev coding while working with real dancers and 
videos to YouTube. We are working on using teenage students to 
make tutorials, then letting the students take over the whole job.
 
Folkloric dance (like square dancing) is a great way for kids to
have fun in a safe place while learning to work with people.
 
A Rev stack that models the choreography has some advantages over
straight video in getting the information across.
 
I tried scripting a huge rect for each group
and got some weird results...
"send in time" and "move in time" seem to involve some kind of voodoo.
 
Any ideas on the vanishing group buttons?
 
Thanks,
 
Erik Hansen
 
on andale
set the lockMoves to true
repeat with i = pStart to pEnd -- lockup
  add 1 to tCtr
  put ((tCtr-1) * tMillis) into tSpeed 
  if theMooseKlee then
    wait until the mouseClick
    setDancers i
    unlock screen
  else if theEvery then
    send "setDancers i" to button "bAndale" of stack "Andale" in tSpeed milliSeconds
  else if theDrag then 
    send "moveDancers i" to button "bAndale" of stack "Andale" in (tSpeed) milliSeconds
end if 
end repeat
set the lockMoves to false
end Andale

on setDancers --WORKS FINE
repeat with j = 1 to gTot
          ...
          set the location of button pCon to (item 1 of tEvent),(item 2 of tEvent)
          ...
     end repeat
end setDancers

on moveDancers i -- BUTTONS DISAPPEAR
put (the text of field "Milliseconds Per Move" of stack "Andale") into tMillis
put (the text of field "Guy Events" of stack "Editt") into pGuyEvents
put (the text of field "Doll Events" of stack "Editt") into pDollEvents
go card i of stack "choreographer"
set the lockMoves to true
put (line i-1 of pGuyEvents) into tPrevEvents
if (i=1) then put (line 1 of pGuyEvents) into tPrevEvents
put line i of pGuyEvents into tEvents
put (the uGuyTot of stack "choreographer") into gTot
repeat with j = 1 to gTot
put ("Guy" & j) into pCon
put (word j of tPrevEvents) into tPrevEvent
put (word j of tEvents) into tEvent
put (item 1 of tPrevEvent) & comma into tPrevXY
if (item 3 of tEvent) = 0 
then put (item 2 of (word j of (line i-1 of pDollEvents)))+24 after tPrevXY 
else put (item 2 of tPrevEvent) after tPrevXY
put (item 1 of tEvent),(item 2 of tEvent) into tXY
-- SKIP TO HERE
move button pCon to tXY in tMillis milliseconds without waiting -- from "tPrevXY" has no effect 
end moveDancers
erik at erikhansen.org 
http://www.erikhansen.org 
http://www.geocities.com/erikhans08/Video.html 
-- 
/


 
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Mar 18 04:05:04 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:05:04 +0000
Subject: scrollbars on disabled fields
Message-ID: <200703180805.04376.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

How do you make a scrollbar work on a disabled field?  The user should be able 
to scroll up and down to review the contents, which are periodically updated 
from another part of the wood, but not be able to select or edit them.  But 
it seems that picking disabled from properties prevents this.

Peter


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sun Mar 18 04:08:41 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:08:41 -0700
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703180012l455428fev21843be60e685599@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2224199.234BC%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/18/07 12:12 AM, "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:

<snip>
> But it still leaves me having to check the
> location all the time to see whether it is inside one of my 400
> buttons.
<snip/>

Hi, Sarah.  You could build an array using points as keys, so that when you
look up any x,y pair you get the control id.  If that would use too much
memory, you could build two arrays, one for x and one for y.  If the x array
identifies for each value of x the controls that share that value of x, any
the y array is analogous, then intersecting of the values for the current x
with the values for the current y would yield the current control id. For
buttons in a simple arrangement, you could probably use even less memory.
Whichever design you choose, you could store the arrays as custom property
sets of the card, so your user could never perceive the delay even for a
huge number of buttons.  Of course you'd need to rebuild the arrays if you
move a button.  Do you feel the need the speed enough to write the code?

-- Dick




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Mar 18 04:17:38 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:17:38 +0000
Subject: scrollbars on disabled fields
In-Reply-To: <200703180805.04376.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200703180805.04376.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200703180817.38414.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

On Sunday 18 March 2007 08:05, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> How do you make a scrollbar work on a disabled field? 

Sorry, very silly question.  You do it by lock text property and enabling the 
field of course....  

Peter


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Sun Mar 18 04:35:01 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 01:35:01 -0700
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703180012l455428fev21843be60e685599@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C22247C5.21794%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> It seems that the mouseControl should be able to report where
> the mouse is without me having to check it manually. But mouseControl
> gets stuck when you click down and never changes until the mouse comes
> up again.

You may not be able to check the mouseControl while the mouse is pressed,
but you *can* check the mouse position on mouseMove while the mouse is down.

The main reason to avoid polling is because you have 400 objects to check --
it could be demanding and possibly prevent stuff from executing.  But you
could establish a coordinate grid defined by the rects of the buttons, and
monitor the X,Y in a mouseMove handler.

Assume a grid of btns on a card:

a1 b1 c1 d1
a2 b2 c2 d2
a3 b3 c3 d3


Put the following in the card script (actual mouseMove code would be more
efficient):

local W,H,L,T,gridRect,checkPos
on mouseDown
  put width of btn 1 into W
  put height of btn 1 into H
  put left of btn 1 into L
  put top of btn 1 into T
  put L,T,(L+4*W),(T+3*H) into gridRect
  put true into checkPos
end mouseDown

on mouseMove X,Y
  if not checkPos then pass mouseMove
  if not (X,Y is within gridRect) then
    put ""
    pass mouseMove
  end if
  if X < (L+4*W) then put "d" into btnX
  if X < (L+3*W) then put "c" into btnX
  if X < (L+2*W) then put "b" into btnX
  if X < (L + W) then put "a" into btnX
  #
  if Y < (T+3*H) then put 3 into btnY
  if Y < (T+2*H) then put 2 into btnY
  if Y < (T + H) then put 1 into btnY
  put "Mouse is within button" && btnX & btnY
end MouseMove

on mouseUp
  endCheck
end mouseUp

on mouseRelease
  endCheck
end mouseRelease

on endCheck
  put false into checkPos
  put ""
end endCheck

This should monitor the mouse position relative to each button.
Hope this helps.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com




From wjm at wjm.org  Sun Mar 18 05:18:25 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 05:18:25 -0400
Subject: Mouse messages while down
References: <f99b52860703180012l455428fev21843be60e685599@mail.gmail.com>
	<C22247C5.21794%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <etj051$47t$1@sea.gmane.org>

There's another fly in the ointment. Using "within" works reliably only if 
no buttons are overlapping (it doesn't respect layering like messages 
would), and the coordinate approach only works if the buttons are in a grid. 
If you have a more involved setup like using irregular graphics for the 
regions, invisible or disabled objects, etc it can get complicated.

The DragDrop family of messages would seem ideal; but those only work with 
text. :/ 





From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Sun Mar 18 06:10:58 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:10:58 +0000
Subject: Implications of limited wash to flash drives
In-Reply-To: <45FC5B49.1030306@spl21.net>
References: <45FAE604.3010206@fourthworld.com> <45FC5B49.1030306@spl21.net>
Message-ID: <CBBC157A-9CF6-4AD7-A00B-4FC0FA868488@anachreon.co.uk>

You wash your darks at 40?!

On 17 Mar 2007, at 21:19, John Craig wrote:

> My current flash drive got washed at 40 degrees when I accidentally  
> left it in my jeans pocket - still seems to work perfectly, but be  
> warned;
> Like all flash memory devices, flash drives can sustain only a  
> limited number of wash and rinse cycles before failure.
>
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 18 08:09:36 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 12:09:36 +0000
Subject: Revolution and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <6F39E17A-05A5-4BE8-AD1F-F62BEADE4617@kagi.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>
	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>
	<BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
	<3BEE800D-8F06-41C5-AFE5-DADD9B9C5441@kagi.com>
	<45FC246C.9020304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<6F39E17A-05A5-4BE8-AD1F-F62BEADE4617@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <0C426224-46E2-4740-86D6-0BD1FC12E794@maseurope.net>

Does

get URL "http://...."
put uniencode(it,"UTF8") into fld blah

not work?

Best,

Mark

On 18 Mar 2007, at 04:19, kee nethery wrote:

>
> If this is hopeless using
> get URL "http:// ..."
> to grab utf8 and convert it to unicode it would be great to know  
> that now.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Kee Nethery
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Mar 18 08:25:55 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:25:55 +0100
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703180012l455428fev21843be60e685599@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
	<45FCBCEA.3060404@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860703180012l455428fev21843be60e685599@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C9BFBF03-2CB4-4C09-A1FA-51D0C96A4145@economy-x-talk.com>

Sarah,

400 individual buttons is bad design. Draw a grid and use a mouseDown  
handler if you want to store the clicked location. Use the  
mouseRelease handler to get the new location. Calculate in which  
rectangle the new mouseLoc is, without a repeat loop. I am sure you  
can do this.

Best regards,

Mark

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Op 18-mrt-2007, om 8:12 heeft Sarah Reichelt het volgende geschreven:

> The top of your head worked fine thanks Jacque :-)
>
> I'm now doing the politically correct mouseMove instead of using
> repeat while mouse is down. But it still leaves me having to check the
> location all the time to see whether it is inside one of my 400
> buttons. It seems that the mouseControl should be able to report where
> the mouse is without me having to check it manually. But mouseControl
> gets stuck when you click down and never changes until the mouse comes
> up again.
>
> Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and suggestions.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah




From mark_powell at symantec.com  Sun Mar 18 08:26:28 2007
From: mark_powell at symantec.com (Mark Powell)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 05:26:28 -0700
Subject: Mouse messages while down
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C704071E1E@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>

Hi Sarah:

Depending on the arrangement and characteristics of your 400 controls,
you could take the approach of putting mouse detection in an image above
your buttons instead of in a card script below:  Create a one-bit
mask...with areas in the image that register with buttons being made
opaque, other areas being transparent.  In Rev set the blendlevel of the
image to 100.  The entire image will be visually transparent, but mouse
clicks will respect *original* opacity/transparency.  Therefore in the
script of the image you could have something like this:

on mouseDown	
  --detectable in opaque areas only	
  put BtnBelowAtMouseDown() into gBtnDown  	
  set the hilite of btn gBtnDown to true	
end mouseDown	
	
on mouseRelease	
  set the hilite of btn gBtnDown to false	
end mouseRelease	

on mouseUp	
  set the hilite of btn gBtnDown to false	
  send mouseUp to btn gBtnDown  -- if needed	
end mouseUp	
	
on mouseMove	
  put BtnBelowAtHover() into tBtnHovered	
  ...	
end mouseMove	


The BtnBelowAtMouseDown and BtnBelowAtHover algorithms depend a lot on
card design.  I have done something similar, but with 4 underlying
controls instead of 400 so I am not sure about performance and the
efficiency of those two algorithms in your particular case.  A
compelling feature of this approach is that the creation of the mask
itself could be scriptable...using snapshot, button rects, alphadata,
etc...though I have never done it.

Mark


From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Sun Mar 18 09:46:54 2007
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 08:46:54 -0500
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c22268721310@[192.168.0.110]>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240804c22268721310@[192.168.0.110]>
Message-ID: <F1C8FB07-F6FF-4D74-A8BD-8912AD7C1932@daniels-mara.com>

I prefer the method Bill Marriott suggested:

set a global (or a script local) on a mouseDown event and then track  
the coordinates via mouseMove.

You can theoretically track the location of the mouse (pointer)  
during mouseMove without using a local or global in a mouseDown  
handler, but then you have to use "the mouse is down" to test within  
the mouseMove handler, and that can be problematic as it tends to  
"eat" the mouseUp message and is generally inefficient, in my  
experience.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Makers of Galaxy 1.5
http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm



On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Jerry figured it out a while ago -- Galaxy always shows the object  
> name and path of the object it is hovering above. I think mousemove  
> may be part of it.
>
> from the docs: "Sent periodically while the mouse button is being  
> held down."
>
>
>
> this gets close to what you want I think.
>
> ON mouseMove
>          put the target
> END mouseMove
>
>
>
>> It still seems odd that I can't get the data I need without having  
>> to do this.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
>>
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
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From kee at kagi.com  Sun Mar 18 09:53:00 2007
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 06:53:00 -0700
Subject: Revolution and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <0C426224-46E2-4740-86D6-0BD1FC12E794@maseurope.net>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>
	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>
	<BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
	<3BEE800D-8F06-41C5-AFE5-DADD9B9C5441@kagi.com>
	<45FC246C.9020304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<6F39E17A-05A5-4BE8-AD1F-F62BEADE4617@kagi.com>
	<0C426224-46E2-4740-86D6-0BD1FC12E794@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <54AF1A1F-AC3A-4988-AC72-D58634008B62@kagi.com>


On Mar 18, 2007, at 5:09 AM, Mark Smith wrote:

> Does
>
> get URL "http://...."
> put uniencode(it,"UTF8") into fld blah
>
> not work?

It does not work. It was not a combination I had tried previously so  
thanks for suggesting it. The unicode characters on screen and in  
view source from the browser do not display correctly in the field.
Kee Nethery



From mark_powell at symantec.com  Sun Mar 18 09:56:20 2007
From: mark_powell at symantec.com (Mark Powell)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 06:56:20 -0700
Subject: Bkgnd process that returns immediately
References: <OFE5008645.37E3E90D-ONC12572A0.00636207-C12572A0.0064A68B@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C704071E1F@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>

Xavier:  

Thanks for the additional info on the redirect technique.  I have
adapted it to the following

 put "start /MAX C:\foo.html > C:\foo.txt" into MyCom	
 set the hideConsoleWindows to true	
 get  "start cmd /c"  && quote & MyCom & quote	
 get shell(it)	

and have further questions...

-1-
This does seem to open foo.html without blocking.  However, the console
window flashes despite setting hideConsoleWindows to true. Do you have
that same behavior?  Is this due to the redirect, or is there something
else I can include to keep the console window invisible.

-2-
Suppose I wanted to close the window foo.html via shell.  What would the
text be on the first line before >?

-3-
Can I put multiple lines into mycommand so that shell will run commands
in sequence?

Thanks very much.

Mark



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Mar 18 10:25:19 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 15:25:19 +0100
Subject: AltFont for Mac Intel
Message-ID: <439CC90C-1619-4F2F-B2C4-923BD6D495C8@economy-x-talk.com>

Hello,

Could someone please confirm that Revolution's AltFont now works fine  
on Mac Intel?

Thanks,

Mark

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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Sun Mar 18 10:56:34 2007
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 09:56:34 -0500
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c22268721310@[192.168.0.110]>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240804c22268721310@[192.168.0.110]>
Message-ID: <C6A44198-ACEA-45A2-B33E-E32BC499155B@daniels-mara.com>

  > Galaxy always shows the object name and path of the object it is  
hovering above. I think mousemove may be part of it.

This is an interesting topic to me. One that doesn't necessarily deal  
with Sarah's original question, but for the sake of accuracy--and  
possible interest--I want to report how Galaxy has has in the past  
and is presently figuring out "what object is beneath the pointer?"

The "cursory" inspection that Galaxy 1.5 has done to detect what  
object you're "over" came from Galaxy's "pinging"  or sending out  
periodic messages constantly. Why not just use mouseMove? We pinged  
so that Galaxy could also detect when you were above the title bar of  
a stack and then report the stack name and path in the status fields  
of Galaxy Bar. The mouseMove tracking would not report when the  
pointer was in the title bar of a stack.

We also used the "ping method" so users could hold down command +  
option to then edit of the script of an object. This is only needed  
because Rev running on the Mac cannot detect the depression of the  
modifier keys (command, option, shift, control) without also  
depressing a "typeable" key. But even on Windows, it is sometimes  
difficult to get Revolution to report a keydown if there isn't an  
editable field around in an open stack.

You'll notice I am using the past tense in describing the ping method  
of object inspection. We switched over to a new approach to solving  
this problem because "pinging" was very inefficient, especially on  
older, slower machines.

The more recent versions of Galaxy 1.5 use the "pepper ping"  
approach. With this method, cursory and in-depth inspection occurs  
only when the mouse is moving AND up to 5 seconds after the mouse  
stops moving. When the mouse stops moving, Galaxy "peppers" the  
object beneath the pointer with a series of pings (send  
"glxInspectObject" in 250 millisecs) over a period of 5 seconds to  
see if you're going to hold down some modifier keys and also in case  
you moved the pointer to the title bar of a stack.

How does one detect if the mouse has stopped moving? By canceling  
messages! (See script below.)

The "pepper" method (invented after drinking a Dr. Pepper soft  
drink?) results is far less system activity, near instant reporting  
of the object name and path in Galaxy Bar, and very snappy in-depth  
inspection that leads to editing the object. The only time a veteran  
user of Galaxy might notice our change in methods is when using no- 
click inspection to edit the script of an object, and mouse has been  
stationary for longer than 5 seconds--something that doesn't seem to  
happen as often as one would think.

Here is the crucial code from our front script (distilled for our  
purposes here) that does does the pepper ping thing:

on mouseMove theH,theV
     put the cGlxInspect of stack "revGalaxy inspector" into doInspect
     if doInspect is true then
         glxSendStaggeredInspectMsg
     end IF
     pass mouseMove
end mouseMove

on glxSendStaggeredInspectMsg
     -- get rid of lingering messages for efficiency...
     -- and to detect if mouse has stopped moving:
     glxCancelPendingInspectMsgs
     -- respond right away:
     send "glxInspectObject" to me in 10 millisecs
     -- begin the "peppering":
     put 0 into theNoMillisecs
     put 250 into theInterval
     repeat for 19
         add theInterval to theNoMillisecs
         send "glxInspectObject" to me in theNoMillisecs millisecs
     end repeat
end glxSendStaggeredInspectMsg

on glxCancelPendingInspectMsgs
     -- luckily, Rev does all this very fast, indeed:
     put the pendingmessages into thePendingMessages
     filter thePendingMessages with "*,glxScriptEdit,*"
     repeat for each line thePendingMessage in thePendingMessages
         -- use token and don't worry about itemDel:
         put token 1 of thePendingMessage into theMsgID
         cancel theMsgID
     end repeat
end glxCancelPendingInspectMsgs

on glxInspectObject
     -- get long id of object, even if pointer is in title bar:
     put glxGetObjectBeneathPointer() into theObjectID
     edit the script of theObjectID
end glxInspectObject

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Makers of Galaxy 1.5
http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm



On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Jerry figured it out a while ago -- Galaxy always shows the object  
> name and path of the object it is hovering above. I think mousemove  
> may be part of it.
>
> from the docs: "Sent periodically while the mouse button is being  
> held down."
>
>
>
> this gets close to what you want I think.
>
> ON mouseMove
>          put the target
> END mouseMove
>
>
>
>> It still seems odd that I can't get the data I need without having  
>> to do this.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Sarah
>>
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>
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From david at openpartnership.net  Sun Mar 18 11:18:40 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:18:40 +0100
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
In-Reply-To: <ethtkg$s63$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no>
	<20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com>
	<64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu>
	<1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>
	<c1c5836b0703160854q97ef3ddl3f9d0bc5845e83e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<etenh5$dbs$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<c1c5836b0703171236i576bbb19m491701f959251681@mail.gmail.com>
	<ethtkg$s63$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703180818l77088fffg39a06b1ff4ea063a@mail.gmail.com>

On 18/03/07, Bill Marriott <wjm at wjm.org> wrote:
>
> I'd wager that a first-year comp sci undergraduate with no prior knowledge
> of xTalk could be sat down in front of the typical Revolution stack and
> make
> any updates required in the time it took for the other three routes to get
> past the research/requirements phase. That's the great strength of our
> beloved platform.


 True. In my experience truth has little to do with this though :( The
problem is that human beings and institutional structures get in the way of
that. The real world logic goes to often like this:

  1) A university department without a dedicated in house coder defers to
the IT Department for advice and support.
  2) The IT department unless it has a Rev convert will recommend a
commercial solution if it does not have available software engineers (most
common), or if it does either industry standard (Java / Micorsoft) or open
source solutions.
  3) The University department is reliant on the rubber stamp from the IT
Department to gain the required project funding

The relative merits of the technology have little to do with the decision -
again the human factors are more important. Remove a student or department
from this catch-22 and they would often choose Rev - otherwise they go for
an industry standard or open source solution for "career" or "ideological"
reasons.


From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 18 12:09:16 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:09:16 +0000
Subject: Revolution and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <54AF1A1F-AC3A-4988-AC72-D58634008B62@kagi.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>
	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>
	<BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
	<3BEE800D-8F06-41C5-AFE5-DADD9B9C5441@kagi.com>
	<45FC246C.9020304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<6F39E17A-05A5-4BE8-AD1F-F62BEADE4617@kagi.com>
	<0C426224-46E2-4740-86D6-0BD1FC12E794@maseurope.net>
	<54AF1A1F-AC3A-4988-AC72-D58634008B62@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <7F528CEC-4EF4-4DAC-A945-6CBE339A76C1@maseurope.net>

I meant to write
set the unicodeText of fld "blah" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")

although I wonder if the page content also needs to be urlDecoded?

Best,

Mark

On 18 Mar 2007, at 13:53, kee nethery wrote:

>
> On Mar 18, 2007, at 5:09 AM, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> Does
>>
>> get URL "http://...."
>> put uniencode(it,"UTF8") into fld blah
>>
>> not work?
>
> It does not work. It was not a combination I had tried previously  
> so thanks for suggesting it. The unicode characters on screen and  
> in view source from the browser do not display correctly in the field.
> Kee Nethery
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From david at openpartnership.net  Sun Mar 18 12:40:37 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 17:40:37 +0100
Subject: Flash and Rev question....
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703180940y7341cady264e726bd262549@mail.gmail.com>

My understanding is that QuickTime as used in Rev applications can handle
Flash tracks - but only Flash 5 tracks? Also there was a problem with the
fact that as of last September Flash track support was turned of by default
and needed to be manually reset by the user (ot sure if this is still the
case)....

My question is directed at swf movies such as those commonly found on the
internet that cannot be played currently by QuickTime.... is it possible to
create a player in Flash 5 format? I guess not, but if so cannot that player
be used as a Falsh QuickTime track so that we can play these movies in Rev?


From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Sun Mar 18 12:51:10 2007
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:51:10 +0000
Subject: label filed properties
Message-ID: <000278D0.45FD7C0C@192.168.168.3>

Hi,

until now i used Revolution just for manipulationg files (reading and writing lines and so on).

Now i want to create a special app with serveral forms in it. I am using only text and label fields. I want to place a reset-button on to the card, which resets all text fields. If i use the following script

on mouseUp
  put "" into field "number"
  put "" into field "name"
  put "" into field "description"
end mouseUp

it works fine. But i have to include a line for each field.

If i use

on mouseUp
put "" into any field 
end mouseUp

I have to click serveral times, until all fields are resetted. But not only the text fields, also the label fields are resetted.

How can i reset all textfields with one click, without having the label fields modified? Maybe a simple question, but i dont know the answer.

Regards,

Matthias






From klaus at major-k.de  Sun Mar 18 13:01:00 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:01:00 +0100
Subject: Flash and Rev question....
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0703180940y7341cady264e726bd262549@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0703180940y7341cady264e726bd262549@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA1CDDC7-EC87-4C7E-B757-3B305B17CE9C@major-k.de>

Hi David,

> My understanding is that QuickTime as used in Rev applications can  
> handle
> Flash tracks - but only Flash 5 tracks? Also there was a problem  
> with the
> fact that as of last September Flash track support was turned of by  
> default
> and needed to be manually reset by the user (ot sure if this is  
> still the
> case)....
>
> My question is directed at swf movies such as those commonly found  
> on the
> internet that cannot be played currently by QuickTime.... is it  
> possible to
> create a player in Flash 5 format? I guess not, but if so cannot  
> that player
> be used as a Falsh QuickTime track so that we can play these movies  
> in Rev?

Hint:
Use the altBrowser external with your stack and display them ALL***  
inside of Rev! ;-)

***As long your user does have all necessary internet plugins installed,
which is true in most of the cases!


Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From wjm at wjm.org  Sun Mar 18 13:30:08 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:30:08 -0400
Subject: buttons move from group rect to the twilight zone
References: <977245.13459.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <etjsv1$scj$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi Erik,

We'll need to look into this to determine whether it's an error in the move 
command or an error in the documentation for the boundingRect of groups, and 
what is the most desireable resolution.

According to the docs, "If a group's boundingRect is empty and its 
lockLocation is false, when you drag an object toward the boundary of the 
group, the group automatically expands, resizing itself to fit. If the 
lockLocation is true, the object is clipped to the group's rectangle."

This happens as described when setting the location of a control; but not 
when an object's position is adjusted with the move command.

You can work around this behavior by setting the rect of the group either 
prior to or just after the move, depending on the effect desired.

I've filed a report in the Quality Control Center on your behalf:

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4549

Please feel free to add comments on it. 





From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 18 13:33:41 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 10:33:41 -0700
Subject: label filed properties
In-Reply-To: <000278D0.45FD7C0C@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <C222C605.441A4%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

There are several ways that you could approach this.
Assuming each field has a different name

repeat with x = 1 to the number of fields
   if the short name of fld x is among the words of  \
      "number name description" then
       put empty into fld x
   end if
end repeat

Hope this helps.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/18/07 9:51 AM, "runrev260805 at m-r-d.de" <runrev260805 at m-r-d.de> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> until now i used Revolution just for manipulationg files (reading and writing
> lines and so on).
> 
> Now i want to create a special app with serveral forms in it. I am using only
> text and label fields. I want to place a reset-button on to the card, which
> resets all text fields. If i use the following script
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put "" into field "number"
>   put "" into field "name"
>   put "" into field "description"
> end mouseUp
> 
> it works fine. But i have to include a line for each field.
> 
> If i use
> 
> on mouseUp
> put "" into any field
> end mouseUp
> 
> I have to click serveral times, until all fields are resetted. But not only
> the text fields, also the label fields are resetted.
> 
> How can i reset all textfields with one click, without having the label fields
> modified? Maybe a simple question, but i dont know the answer.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Matthias
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
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From wjm at wjm.org  Sun Mar 18 13:35:44 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:35:44 -0400
Subject: AltFont for Mac Intel
References: <439CC90C-1619-4F2F-B2C4-923BD6D495C8@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <etjt9g$tfo$1@sea.gmane.org>

Mark,

> Could someone please confirm that Revolution's AltFont now works fine  on 
> Mac Intel?

Actually, I have not been able to get it to work. I should have filed a 
report on this a long time ago. Doing so right now.

- Bill 





From wjm at wjm.org  Sun Mar 18 13:43:29 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 13:43:29 -0400
Subject: AltFont for Mac Intel
References: <439CC90C-1619-4F2F-B2C4-923BD6D495C8@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <etjto1$uu4$1@sea.gmane.org>

Bug #4550

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4550 





From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Mar 18 14:13:51 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:13:51 -0400
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <C6A44198-ACEA-45A2-B33E-E32BC499155B@daniels-mara.com>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240804c22268721310@[192.168.0.110]>
	<C6A44198-ACEA-45A2-B33E-E32BC499155B@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080bc22330b59d43@[192.168.0.110]>

Jerry, would this explain the 'flickering' that I've seen in your 
tooltips field in earlier versions of Galaxy? This would only happen 
when Galaxy was kept running for hours and days... Restarting Rev 
always fixed it.


>The "cursory" inspection that Galaxy 1.5 has done to detect what 
>object you're "over" came from Galaxy's "pinging"  or sending out 
>periodic messages constantly. Why not just use mouseMove? We pinged 
>so that Galaxy could also detect when you were above the title bar 
>of a stack and then report the stack name and path in the status 
>fields of Galaxy Bar. The mouseMove tracking would not report when 
>the pointer was in the title bar of a stack.
>
>
>Jerry Daniels
>
>Makers of Galaxy 1.5
>http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm
>
>
>
>On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>>Jerry figured it out a while ago -- Galaxy always shows the object 
>>name and path of the object it is hovering above. I think mousemove 
>>may be part of it.
>>
>>from the docs: "Sent periodically while the mouse button is being held down."

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Sun Mar 18 15:16:56 2007
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:16:56 +0000
Subject: Re-2: label filed properties
Message-ID: <000278D2.45FD9E36@192.168.168.3>

Thanks, that will help.

Matthias




-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: label filed properties (18-Mrz-2007 18:45)
From:    Jim Ault <JimAultWins at yahoo.com>
To:      use-revolution at lists.runrev.com

> There are several ways that you could approach this.
> Assuming each field has a different name
> 
> repeat with x = 1 to the number of fields
>    if the short name of fld x is among the words of  \
>       "number name description" then
>        put empty into fld x
>    end if
> end repeat
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>




From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 18 15:24:20 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:24:20 +0000
Subject: label filed properties
In-Reply-To: <000278D0.45FD7C0C@192.168.168.3>
References: <000278D0.45FD7C0C@192.168.168.3>
Message-ID: <DD4DDD54-8454-4028-8573-1A1A8FCEE531@maseurope.net>

Matthias, if you haven't named the label fields, then this should work:

repeat with n = 1 to the number of fields in this card
   if "label" is not in the name of fld n of this card then put empty  
into fld n of this card
end repeat


best,

Mark


On 18 Mar 2007, at 16:51, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:

> Hi,
>
> until now i used Revolution just for manipulationg files (reading  
> and writing lines and so on).
>
> Now i want to create a special app with serveral forms in it. I am  
> using only text and label fields. I want to place a reset-button on  
> to the card, which resets all text fields. If i use the following  
> script
>
> on mouseUp
>   put "" into field "number"
>   put "" into field "name"
>   put "" into field "description"
> end mouseUp
>
> it works fine. But i have to include a line for each field.
>
> If i use
>
> on mouseUp
> put "" into any field
> end mouseUp
>
> I have to click serveral times, until all fields are resetted. But  
> not only the text fields, also the label fields are resetted.
>
> How can i reset all textfields with one click, without having the  
> label fields modified? Maybe a simple question, but i dont know the  
> answer.
>
> Regards,
>
> Matthias
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Sun Mar 18 16:50:30 2007
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:50:30 +0000
Subject: Re-2: label filed properties
Message-ID: <000278D3.45FDB425@192.168.168.3>

Mark,

thanks to you, also.

Regards,

Matthias


-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: label filed properties (18-Mrz-2007 20:46)
From:    Mark Smith <mark at maseurope.net>
To:      use-revolution at lists.runrev.com

> Matthias, if you haven't named the label fields, then this should work:
> 
> repeat with n = 1 to the number of fields in this card
>    if "label" is not in the name of fld n of this card then put empty  
> into fld n of this card
> end repeat
> 
> 
> best,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 




From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Sun Mar 18 17:31:01 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 14:31:01 -0700
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <C6A44198-ACEA-45A2-B33E-E32BC499155B@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <C222FDA5.234DE%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/18/07 7:56 AM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:

<snip>
> on glxInspectObject
>      -- get long id of object, even if pointer is in title bar:
>      put glxGetObjectBeneathPointer() into theObjectID
>      edit the script of theObjectID
> end glxInspectObject
<snip/>

Hi, Jerry.  How does glxGetObjectBeneathPointer() work?  I searched the
Galaxy scripts and didn't find it.

-- Dick




From bryan at deepfoo.com  Sun Mar 18 19:12:01 2007
From: bryan at deepfoo.com (Bryan McCormick)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:12:01 -0400
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
Message-ID: <45FDC741.4040508@deepfoo.com>

Folks,

I have been given a batch of text files that have had their delimiters 
stripped off (by accident) leaving a single string of text to parse back 
into record delimited form. And yes, of course, there is no back-up so 
it is the strings or nothing.

I really know very little about using RegEx, but I presume this could at 
least in part solve the problem.

Basically the only good news is that each record was originally 
delimited in the form of "24-Jan-02" so that as long as each date could 
be plucked out of the string it ought to be possible to grab the offset 
and then introduce a return before the next date occurrence. As in the 
text is 06-Mar-92therewasamangledbitoftexttodealwith02-Apr-92therest...

I cannot seem to get the MatchText to work properly to identify these, 
but I guess really the problem is I still need to find an offset for 
each. Is MatchText even the right thing to use? Can I use it in 
conjunction with 
offset(MatchText(myVar,[0-9]-(Jan|Feb|Mar...|Dec)-[0-9],someVar)) to 
find each one?

Or is this a case where the string has to be brute forced?

Any ideas on how to proceed? Any ideas, snippets would be greatly 
appreciated.


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Mar 18 19:19:07 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 00:19:07 +0100
Subject: AltFont for Mac Intel
In-Reply-To: <etjto1$uu4$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <439CC90C-1619-4F2F-B2C4-923BD6D495C8@economy-x-talk.com>
	<etjto1$uu4$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <51D230B1-E8D6-453A-8C24-87357F89FBF3@economy-x-talk.com>

Thanks, Bill. I will vote for this bug.

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 18-mrt-2007, om 18:43 heeft Bill Marriott het volgende geschreven:

> Bug #4550
>
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4550



From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Sun Mar 18 19:35:48 2007
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:35:48 -0500
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <C222FDA5.234DE%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C222FDA5.234DE%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <6A7696B3-08D0-48F5-851A-CFB31CF6A1C4@daniels-mara.com>

Dick,

I indicated in my posting that I had distilled portions for  
simplicity. Look at the glxScriptEdit handler in the inspection  
folder in the frontScript. I't s quite large and has barnacles on it.  
You'll see how I determine the long id of the object below the  
pointer--including stacks.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

-------------- next part --------------


Tool makers for the 21st century
http://www.daniels-mara.com

Voice: 512.879.6286
Skype: jerry.daniels





On Mar 18, 2007, at 4:31 PM, Dick Kriesel wrote:

> On 3/18/07 7:56 AM, "Jerry Daniels" <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> on glxInspectObject
>>      -- get long id of object, even if pointer is in title bar:
>>      put glxGetObjectBeneathPointer() into theObjectID
>>      edit the script of theObjectID
>> end glxInspectObject
> <snip/>
>
> Hi, Jerry.  How does glxGetObjectBeneathPointer() work?  I searched  
> the
> Galaxy scripts and didn't find it.
>
> -- Dick
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Sun Mar 18 19:36:58 2007
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 18:36:58 -0500
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <p0624080bc22330b59d43@[192.168.0.110]>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240804c22268721310@[192.168.0.110]>
	<C6A44198-ACEA-45A2-B33E-E32BC499155B@daniels-mara.com>
	<p0624080bc22330b59d43@[192.168.0.110]>
Message-ID: <1CFECF98-E6B0-4089-8468-1C83285A2EB2@daniels-mara.com>

Stephen,

The flicker we used to see was related, i believe, to a mouseWithin  
message gone bad.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Makers of Galaxy 1.5
http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm



On Mar 18, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Jerry, would this explain the 'flickering' that I've seen in your  
> tooltips field in earlier versions of Galaxy? This would only  
> happen when Galaxy was kept running for hours and days...  
> Restarting Rev always fixed it.
>
>
>> The "cursory" inspection that Galaxy 1.5 has done to detect what  
>> object you're "over" came from Galaxy's "pinging"  or sending out  
>> periodic messages constantly. Why not just use mouseMove? We  
>> pinged so that Galaxy could also detect when you were above the  
>> title bar of a stack and then report the stack name and path in  
>> the status fields of Galaxy Bar. The mouseMove tracking would not  
>> report when the pointer was in the title bar of a stack.
>>
>>
>> Jerry Daniels
>>
>> Makers of Galaxy 1.5
>> http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>>
>>> Jerry figured it out a while ago -- Galaxy always shows the  
>>> object name and path of the object it is hovering above. I think  
>>> mousemove may be part of it.
>>>
>>> from the docs: "Sent periodically while the mouse button is being  
>>> held down."
>
> -- 
>
>
> stephen barncard
> s a n  f r a n c i s c o
> - - -  - - - - - - - - -
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 18 19:37:41 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 16:37:41 -0700
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
In-Reply-To: <45FDC741.4040508@deepfoo.com>
Message-ID: <C2231B55.441C4%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

A simplistic approach would be to find the "-mth-" string and work from
there

on untested
  put "-Jan- -Feb- -Mar-" into mthStrings
  repeat for each word MTH in mthStrings
    put 1 into pos
    repeat until pos = 0
      put offset(mth, textBlock, pos+2) into pos
      put cr into char pos - 2 of textBlock
    end repeat
    
  end repeat
  --now textBlock should have cr's in the right spots
end untested

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/18/07 4:12 PM, "Bryan McCormick" <bryan at deepfoo.com> wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> I have been given a batch of text files that have had their delimiters
> stripped off (by accident) leaving a single string of text to parse back
> into record delimited form. And yes, of course, there is no back-up so
> it is the strings or nothing.
> 
> I really know very little about using RegEx, but I presume this could at
> least in part solve the problem.
> 
> Basically the only good news is that each record was originally
> delimited in the form of "24-Jan-02" so that as long as each date could
> be plucked out of the string it ought to be possible to grab the offset
> and then introduce a return before the next date occurrence. As in the
> text is 06-Mar-92therewasamangledbitoftexttodealwith02-Apr-92therest...
> 
> I cannot seem to get the MatchText to work properly to identify these,
> but I guess really the problem is I still need to find an offset for
> each. Is MatchText even the right thing to use? Can I use it in
> conjunction with 
> offset(MatchText(myVar,[0-9]-(Jan|Feb|Mar...|Dec)-[0-9],someVar)) to
> find each one?
> 
> Or is this a case where the string has to be brute forced?
> 
> Any ideas on how to proceed? Any ideas, snippets would be greatly
> appreciated.
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription
> preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Mar 18 20:50:00 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:50:00 -0500
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <C221F710.44166%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C221F710.44166%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070318195000496627.a6a99e33@sonsothunder.com>

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 19:50:40 -0700, Jim Ault wrote:

>> The problem is that no other messages seem to be sent while the mouse
>> is down (mouseEnter, mouseLeave, mouseStillDown etc). I can detect
>> mouseRelease but "the target" is my original button so it doesn't tell
>> me where the mouse is now. Checking "the mouseControl" in the
>> mouseRelease handler also gives the original target.
>> 
>> It's looking as if I may have to do some continuous polling, but I
>> know that is generally frowned upon, so I would be grateful for any
>> other suggestions.

Here's what worked for me (put this in the card script):

global gDragging

on mouseDown
  if word 1 of the name of the target is "button" then
    put true into gDragging
  else
    pass mouseDown 
  end if
end mouseDown

on mouseMove
  if gDragging and the mouse is up then
    send "GetTarget" to me in 20 milliseconds
    put false into gDragging
  end if
  pass mouseMove
end mouseMove

on GetTarget
  try
    put the short name of the mouseControl  -- or anything else you 
want to do with it
  catch tError
    -- it would get here if you released over the card itself
  end try
end GetTarget

Hope this works for you...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Mar 18 20:51:30 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 19:51:30 -0500
Subject: Can REV create Excel files?
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70703161817h67b1a078kf003dc8334690632@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45E87318.3010200@castandcrew.com>
	<20070302172128287685.09aecca4@sonsothunder.com>
	<79d1bee70703030143v6b3ff908s1d55cf6a6bac48ec@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070303123052763325.92cc862e@sonsothunder.com>
	<79d1bee70703031618s7f41148bj86042e6eb0570002@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070304002603273582.931b664f@sonsothunder.com>
	<79d1bee70703161817h67b1a078kf003dc8334690632@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070318195130313389.7b494816@sonsothunder.com>

On Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:17:31 +0900, Martin Blackman wrote:

> Just continuing down the path which Ken helped put me on, I thought
> I'd share my little routine which uses vbscript to get the Names in an
> Excel workbook and the ranges to which they refer:
> 
> function getXLNames
>   put "Dim ObjXL,tRetVal,tName" & cr & \
>         "Set ObjXL = GetObject(," & q("Excel.Application") & ")" into 
> tScript
>   put cr& "For Each tName In ObjXL.ActiveWorkbook.Names" & cr & \
>         "tRetVal = tRetVal & tName.Name  & tName.RefersTo & vbCrLf" &
> cr & "Next" after tScript
>   put cr & "tRetVal = Left(tRetVal,Len(tRetVal) - 2)" & cr & \
>         "WScript.Echo tRetVal" after tScript
>   put tmpfolder&"/VBSTemp.vbs" into tFile  --tmpfolder is a global
> var holding a path
>   put tScript into url("file:" & tFile)
>   set the hideconsolewindows to true
>   get shell("cscript.exe //nologo" && tFile)
>   send "delete file" && q(tFile) to me in 1 second
>   if char -1 of it is cr then delete char -1 of it
>   return it
> end getXLNames

Very nice, Martin! Looks good to me...

:-)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Mar 18 21:03:33 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:03:33 +1000
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <C9BFBF03-2CB4-4C09-A1FA-51D0C96A4145@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>
	<45FCBCEA.3060404@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f99b52860703180012l455428fev21843be60e685599@mail.gmail.com>
	<C9BFBF03-2CB4-4C09-A1FA-51D0C96A4145@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703181803y2ed303c4qb9c97ad2411a8195@mail.gmail.com>

> 400 individual buttons is bad design. Draw a grid and use a mouseDown
> handler if you want to store the clicked location. Use the
> mouseRelease handler to get the new location. Calculate in which
> rectangle the new mouseLoc is, without a repeat loop. I am sure you
> can do this.

It's not something I would normally do, but in this particular case,
it works very well and allows great flexibility in selection and
display. However the buttons are all non-overlapping and in a
rectangular grid - not completely regular but nearly so. While
checking each rect against the mouse loc works fine on my computer, to
allow for slower ones I should put the effort into an algorithm to
calculate the correct button instead.

Since I originally asked my question, I have progressed to needing to
track the button underneath the mouse at all times while the mouse is
down, so Jacque's technique is working really well for that. Unlike
Jerry's Galaxy scripts, I only need to do this checking while the
mouse is down, so it doesn't have to be able to operate while other
things are happening.

Cheers,
Sarah


From kee at kagi.com  Sun Mar 18 23:23:47 2007
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:23:47 -0700
Subject: Revolution and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <7F528CEC-4EF4-4DAC-A945-6CBE339A76C1@maseurope.net>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>
	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>
	<BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
	<3BEE800D-8F06-41C5-AFE5-DADD9B9C5441@kagi.com>
	<45FC246C.9020304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<6F39E17A-05A5-4BE8-AD1F-F62BEADE4617@kagi.com>
	<0C426224-46E2-4740-86D6-0BD1FC12E794@maseurope.net>
	<54AF1A1F-AC3A-4988-AC72-D58634008B62@kagi.com>
	<7F528CEC-4EF4-4DAC-A945-6CBE339A76C1@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <BD2924FE-414A-4F72-8D70-79609219862E@kagi.com>

that appears to have worked. Excellent. I'm guessing that "it" is  
special in some way.
I am pretty sure I had tied

put URL "dodah" into thedata
set the unicodeText of fld "blah" to uniencode(thedata,"UTF8")

and that did not work. But perhaps this is a combo I did not try.  
thanks!
Kee


On Mar 18, 2007, at 9:09 AM, Mark Smith wrote:

> I meant to write
> set the unicodeText of fld "blah" to uniencode(it,"UTF8")
>
> although I wonder if the page content also needs to be urlDecoded?
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> On 18 Mar 2007, at 13:53, kee nethery wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2007, at 5:09 AM, Mark Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Does
>>>
>>> get URL "http://...."
>>> put uniencode(it,"UTF8") into fld blah
>>>
>>> not work?
>>
>> It does not work. It was not a combination I had tried previously  
>> so thanks for suggesting it. The unicode characters on screen and  
>> in view source from the browser do not display correctly in the  
>> field.
>> Kee Nethery
>>
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From list at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Mar 19 01:11:53 2007
From: list at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 00:11:53 -0500
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703181803y2ed303c4qb9c97ad2411a8195@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860703171932u67dfcc4ai65d69ecf7d2412c8@mail.gmail.com>	<23B2F745-AF83-47E0-915C-37F9197A3D72@Cox.Net>	<f99b52860703172022v513a165clb8bd9b67ffd8b158@mail.gmail.com>	<45FCBCEA.3060404@hyperactivesw.com>	<f99b52860703180012l455428fev21843be60e685599@mail.gmail.com>	<C9BFBF03-2CB4-4C09-A1FA-51D0C96A4145@economy-x-talk.com>
	<f99b52860703181803y2ed303c4qb9c97ad2411a8195@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45FE1B99.1050506@dreamscapesoftware.com>

I just wanted to throw in my two cents on this thread.  When I was 
working on Pixelution (which is still available on RevOnline) I ran into 
the problem of figuring out what button the mouse was hovering over when 
the mouse was down.

My troubles lead me to post BugZilla # 3668 
(http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3668) but also lead 
to a solution that worked well considering that the script would handle 
polling 1,024 buttons within a group quite efficiently (but nowhere as 
efficiently as the fulfillment of bug #3668.

To solve the problem, I used a combination of a variable containing all 
of the ID's of the buttons within the group, and a mouseMove handler 
that would check to see if the mouse was within each button ID when the 
handler was issued.  Also, since the mouse could only be within 1 button 
in my grid, I had the repeat handler stop polling as soon as it found a 
button that the mouse was within.

Like I said though, it works, but is very limited by the speed of the 
computer.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Mar 19 01:18:12 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 02:18:12 -0300
Subject: Installing Ubuntu or other Linuxes
Message-ID: <45FE1D14.60801@howsoft.com>

I have written a short article of simple, practical (layman's) advice 
for those considering the possibility of trying Linux (or my favourite, 
Ubuntu) and Rev/Linux 2.6.1 for the first time.

Although it is short, it was a bit big to display directly on the 
UR-List, so I have uploaded it to my site at:

http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/downloads/installing_ubuntu_or_other_linuxes.txt

It is a text file, so I suggest opening it in your text editing program.

As I said in the article itself, if anyone would like to add or subtract 
from what I said, please feel free.

Bob

<http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/downloads/installing_ubuntu_or_other_linuxes.txt> 



From xavier.bury at clearstream.com  Mon Mar 19 02:35:08 2007
From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:35:08 +0100
Subject: Bkgnd process that returns immediately
In-Reply-To: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C704071E1F@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
Message-ID: <OF1F02A75E.BFCDA77B-ONC12572A3.00240822-C12572A3.00242D73@deutsche-boerse.com>

1 - use "start /b" to hide the window. See "start /?" for more options
2 - you'd have to kill the process - or check "start /?" for more 
options...
3 - yes as many as you want.

cheers
Xavier

use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 18/03/2007 14:56:20:

> Xavier: 
> 
> Thanks for the additional info on the redirect technique.  I have
> adapted it to the following
> 
>  put "start /MAX C:\foo.html > C:\foo.txt" into MyCom 
>  set the hideConsoleWindows to true 
>  get  "start cmd /c"  && quote & MyCom & quote 
>  get shell(it) 
> 
> and have further questions...
> 
> -1-
> This does seem to open foo.html without blocking.  However, the console
> window flashes despite setting hideConsoleWindows to true. Do you have
> that same behavior?  Is this due to the redirect, or is there something
> else I can include to keep the console window invisible.
> 
> -2-
> Suppose I wanted to close the window foo.html via shell.  What would the
> text be on the first line before >?
> 
> -3-
> Can I put multiple lines into mycommand so that shell will run commands
> in sequence?
> 
> Thanks very much.
> 
> Mark
> 
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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Mon Mar 19 06:38:14 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 03:38:14 -0700
Subject: Mouse messages while down
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703180012l455428fev21843be60e685599@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C223B626.234FA%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/18/07 12:12 AM, "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm now doing the politically correct mouseMove instead of using
> repeat while mouse is down. But it still leaves me having to check the
> location all the time to see whether it is inside one of my 400
> buttons. It seems that the mouseControl should be able to report where
> the mouse is without me having to check it manually. But mouseControl
> gets stuck when you click down and never changes until the mouse comes
> up again.

Here's another technique for identifying the object at the mouseLoc. This
technique is different because it works with no repeat loop, no checking the
visible or the rect of any object, no formulas based on the mouseLoc, and no
reference to the mouseControl.

Create a button named "mouseObject" with the following script:

-- <script>
local sMouseObject

on mouseObject
  if line 1 of the frontscripts is not long id of me then
    insert script of me into front
    lock screen
    click at the mouseloc
    unlock screen
    remove script of me from front
    return sMouseObject
  end if
end mouseObject

on mousedown
end mousedown

on mouseUp
  put long id of the target into sMouseObject
end mouseUp
-- <script/>

Then to test it, put the following handler into the stack script:

-- <script>
on mouseMove
  call "mouseObject" of button "mouseObject" of me
  put the result
end mouseMove
-- <script/>

The technique passed my tests.  Does it work for you?

-- Dick




From david at openpartnership.net  Mon Mar 19 08:59:16 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:59:16 +0100
Subject: Flash and Rev question....
In-Reply-To: <CA1CDDC7-EC87-4C7E-B757-3B305B17CE9C@major-k.de>
References: <c1c5836b0703180940y7341cady264e726bd262549@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA1CDDC7-EC87-4C7E-B757-3B305B17CE9C@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703190559l2768bc34h973d78f1baa595a6@mail.gmail.com>

Yes - but I have two problems with that. Apart from not manageing yet to be
able to copy and paste text into an altBrowser window on Mac (still think
this should be possible by scripting focus issues) is that I can't  do
transitions between movies. If somene has knowledge of how to do this inside
Flash - ie play lists of FLV files then I can either do something server
side to pass the playlist to Flash or if it is possible in Flash 5 I could
even use the player - but I doubt Flash 5 supports FLV - I think FLV came in
with Falsh 7?

On 18/03/07, Klaus Major <klaus at major-k.de> wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
> > My understanding is that QuickTime as used in Rev applications can
> > handle
> > Flash tracks - but only Flash 5 tracks? Also there was a problem
> > with the
> > fact that as of last September Flash track support was turned of by
> > default
> > and needed to be manually reset by the user (ot sure if this is
> > still the
> > case)....
> >
> > My question is directed at swf movies such as those commonly found
> > on the
> > internet that cannot be played currently by QuickTime.... is it
> > possible to
> > create a player in Flash 5 format? I guess not, but if so cannot
> > that player
> > be used as a Falsh QuickTime track so that we can play these movies
> > in Rev?
>
> Hint:
> Use the altBrowser external with your stack and display them ALL***
> inside of Rev! ;-)
>
> ***As long your user does have all necessary internet plugins installed,
> which is true in most of the cases!
>
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klaus at major-k.de
> http://www.major-k.de
>
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From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Mar 19 09:07:04 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:07:04 -0300
Subject: Installing Ubuntu or other Linuxes
Message-ID: <45FE8AF8.3050608@howsoft.com>

In my last post, I recommended a short article of simple, practical 
(layman's) advice for those considering the possibility of trying Linux 
(or my favourite, Ubuntu) and Rev/Linux 2.6.1 for the first time.

It has now been properly presented, and you can view it at the following 
URL if you are interested:

http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/installing_ubuntu_or_other_linuxes.htm

There is one other simple piece of advice I would like to offer in 
addition to that given in the article. After downloading ISO files from 
Ubuntu or any other source, CHECK THE BYTE COUNT IS CORRECT before 
burning your CD or attempting to install.

Bob


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Mar 19 09:28:17 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:28:17 -0400
Subject: Flash and Rev question....
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0703190559l2768bc34h973d78f1baa595a6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0703180940y7341cady264e726bd262549@mail.gmail.com>
	<CA1CDDC7-EC87-4C7E-B757-3B305B17CE9C@major-k.de>
	<c1c5836b0703190559l2768bc34h973d78f1baa595a6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240803c2243ea6b005@[192.168.0.110]>



Dreamhost supports the streaming of FLV files. they also offer an 
online file converter to FLV. Can't answer the question about 
transitions.

example
http://www.burnoutworld.com/cgi-bin/emAlbum.cgi?c=show_thumbs;p=Cars/Car%20Burnout%20Videos

http://dreamhost.com


>Yes - but I have two problems with that. Apart from not manageing yet to be
>able to copy and paste text into an altBrowser window on Mac (still think
>this should be possible by scripting focus issues) is that I can't  do
>transitions between movies. If somene has knowledge of how to do this inside
>Flash - ie play lists of FLV files then I can either do something server
>side to pass the playlist to Flash or if it is possible in Flash 5 I could
>even use the player - but I doubt Flash 5 supports FLV - I think FLV came in
>with Falsh 7?
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Mar 19 09:38:53 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:38:53 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45FE926D.3050303@howsoft.com>

A few days back I had 2 outstanding Rev/Linux questions that I hadn't 
managed to clear up on-List. One of them was elegantly solved by Mark 
Wieder. The other did not have an immediate answer:

In Rev Linux 2.6.1, can foreign symbols (with accents) be printed on the 
printer or not?

Some discussion has taken place off-List between myself, Technical 
Support (Jacque) and Don Jungk who has been extremely helpful.

The short answer to the question appears to be "No, not in #2.6.1".

The first thing to note is the following extract from the Rev Help 
(Print command) in this respect:

"Cross-platform note:  On Mac OS and Windows systems, the print command 
uses the current printer. On Unix systems, the print command creates a 
PostScript file and runs the program specified in the printCommand 
property, with the file as input."

The trouble is that as far as any of us have discovered, there is no way 
that Rev can create a correctly formatted PS file when attempting to 
print a whole card. If the text contained by the fields is entirely in 
English, then there is no problem, but if it contains accented 
characters, Rev gets its knickers in a twist and produces a file which 
cannot even be displayed, let alone printed.

Our colleague Don is so well up on the question of PS files, that he has 
diagnosed the problem in the format of the PS file produced by Rev under 
these circumstances and corrected it! The version he produced displays 
and prints perfectly!

Technical support are therefore registering it as a bug, and although it 
might not have a workaround in Rev 2.6.1, it is to be hoped that this 
difficulty will be fixed before the next Rev/Linux release.

Bob



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Mar 19 09:49:53 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:49:53 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45FE9501.7020503@howsoft.com>

Two other morsels of info about the problem of printing accented 
characters from a card in Rev/Linux 2.6.1:

Rev's performance has only been tested using Ubuntu 6.06.1 and Mepis 6.0.1.

Technical Support now have an Ubuntu computer available, so queries to 
them about Rev/Linux (or at least Rev/Ubuntu) can now be quickly 
understood without exchanging too many e-mails.

Progress!

Bob


From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar 19 10:01:47 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:01:47 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <3BF7DD6A-B878-49C4-9B80-DEF18AEBC10B@looktowindward.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<0D1372C2-B189-4EC5-B65B-EEAEA8C12B85@looktowindward.com>
	<3BF7DD6A-B878-49C4-9B80-DEF18AEBC10B@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <22A30BDE-2590-4808-9820-3CCD02CD4E23@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

> Mac OS X 10.4.8, MacBook Pro 2.16GHz Core Duo, 2GB RAM

Ok, are you using the standard RunRev IDE and not running anything  
other that the standard RunRev stuff?

I set the fill color via the Property Inspector, not via a script,  
not sure if that would make a difference. I have removed all fill  
colors and I still get the error when writing file number 289. I've  
also tried making the object/rectangle smaller, still stops on file 289.

Then I tried adding a wait .25 seconds after the export operation,  
same problem.

I then replaced the repeat statement like this:

   repeat with x =  (1 + 288 to (tNum + 288)

And it still gave an error on 289!

I then tried (300) to (tNum + 300) and got the error on file 608!
Then 290 to (tNum  + 290), the error occurred on file 298.

This is very strange problem! It happens every time on my system and  
Ian appears to have had the same problem too. would be good to track  
why it works ok on yours.

All the Best
Dave

> on mouseUp
>   local tNum
>   local twID
>   local tFol
>   local tDest
>
>   put the colorNames into tColors  --< NEW
>
>   put 500 into tNum
>   put the windowID of this stack into twID
>   put "/Users/rg/Desktop/untitled folder/" into tFol
>   set the defaultfolder to tFol
>
>   repeat with x = 1 to tNum
>     if the mouse is down then
>       exit to top
>     end if
>     put x & ".png" into tDest
>     put x into fld "counter"
>     set the backgroundColor of grp 1 to  any line of tColors --< NEW
>     export snapshot from grp 1 to file tDest as PNG
>   end repeat
>   answer "Done!"
> end mouseUp
>
>
> Then I added a graphic in case there was something specific to that  
> object type, changing the color of the graphic instead of the  
> group. Same good result.



From cszasz at mac.com  Mon Mar 19 10:13:57 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:13:57 -0400
Subject: Unusual Problems
Message-ID: <6271F0E1-BC8B-4B10-A87D-A246FCD43E92@mac.com>

Actually, the first four cards were created in a 1-2-3-4 sequence.  
This was done after I had completed an earlier version of the program  
that had 20 cards. So, I decided to do a revision of the program to  
reduce the number of cards and to correct the printing problem. Since  
I had run into this problem with the first revision, I decided to  
create the first four cards in sequence to see it would correct this  
problem. The first three cards are marked but the fourth card is not  
marked.

I will go ahead and try Jim's suggestion of push and pop, which I am  
not unfamiliar with. In the meantime any other suggestions?


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Mar 19 10:23:15 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 08:23:15 -0600
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
In-Reply-To: <etg0ap$o3c$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no><20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com><64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu><1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>
	<BE5DD29C-E75B-4BFB-931C-82DE4F5EE150@byu.edu>
	<etg0ap$o3c$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <6D8CE146-2573-4BC1-969A-7F61AF025A2A@byu.edu>

Thanks for correcting my misunderstanding, Bill.

Devin

On Mar 16, 2007, at 11:40 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:

>> I can't answer all your Windows question with authority, but let  
>> me  just
>> point out that if you have Rev 2.7 already, 2.8 is a free   
>> upgrade, as 2.9
>> will be.
>
> - Revolution 2.8 is free to users who had an active license as of its
> release on February 19, 2007, per the usual licensing arrangement.
>
> - Revolution 2.9 will be free to anyone who had an active license  
> as of
> February 1, 2006, or purchased any version after that date.
>
> Thus, there are some customers for whom 2.9 will be free, but 2.8  
> is not.
>
>
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar 19 10:41:33 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:41:33 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <3BF7DD6A-B878-49C4-9B80-DEF18AEBC10B@looktowindward.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<0D1372C2-B189-4EC5-B65B-EEAEA8C12B85@looktowindward.com>
	<3BF7DD6A-B878-49C4-9B80-DEF18AEBC10B@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <D910B616-CEA6-4B27-B311-E3DBC7299956@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Some more information on this.

If I delete the Text counter object from the group that gets exported  
the it will output many more images (once it actually did all 500)  
before stopping. Doing this it will just continue forever, e.g. Most  
of the time I don't get the error dialog and mouseUp handler never  
exits.

I looked at the system activity monitor and found that 1.68 GB OUT of  
my 2 GB was allocated to RunRev, so I guess it really is leaking!

I also tried storing the image into a variable instead of a file and  
get the same problems.

Not sure what else to try? Would be interesting to find out why it  
works on your system and not mine or Ian's. Anyone what to try this  
on their system? Haven't tried this at all under Windows.

Thanks a lot and All the Best
Dave

Hi,

> Mac OS X 10.4.8, MacBook Pro 2.16GHz Core Duo, 2GB RAM

Ok, are you using the standard RunRev IDE and not running anything  
other that the standard RunRev stuff?

I set the fill color via the Property Inspector, not via a script,  
not sure if that would make a difference. I have removed all fill  
colors and I still get the error when writing file number 289. I've  
also tried making the object/rectangle smaller, still stops on file 289.

Then I tried adding a wait .25 seconds after the export operation,  
same problem.

I then replaced the repeat statement like this:

   repeat with x =  (1 + 288 to (tNum + 288)

And it still gave an error on 289!

I then tried (300) to (tNum + 300) and got the error on file 608!
Then 290 to (tNum  + 290), the error occurred on file 298.

This is very strange problem! It happens every time on my system and  
Ian appears to have had the same problem too. would be good to track  
why it works ok on yours.

All the Best
Dave

> on mouseUp
>   local tNum
>   local twID
>   local tFol
>   local tDest
>
>   put the colorNames into tColors  --< NEW
>
>   put 500 into tNum
>   put the windowID of this stack into twID
>   put "/Users/rg/Desktop/untitled folder/" into tFol
>   set the defaultfolder to tFol
>
>   repeat with x = 1 to tNum
>     if the mouse is down then
>       exit to top
>     end if
>     put x & ".png" into tDest
>     put x into fld "counter"
>     set the backgroundColor of grp 1 to  any line of tColors --< NEW
>     export snapshot from grp 1 to file tDest as PNG
>   end repeat
>   answer "Done!"
> end mouseUp
>
>
> Then I added a graphic in case there was something specific to that  
> object type, changing the color of the graphic instead of the  
> group. Same good result.

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar 19 10:48:31 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:48:31 -0700
Subject: Installing Ubuntu or other Linuxes
Message-ID: <45FEA2BF.8020304@fourthworld.com>

Bob Warren wrote:
> In my last post, I recommended a short article of simple, practical 
> (layman's) advice for those considering the possibility of trying Linux 
> (or my favourite, Ubuntu) and Rev/Linux 2.6.1 for the first time.
> 
> It has now been properly presented, and you can view it at the following 
> URL if you are interested:
> 
> http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/installing_ubuntu_or_other_linuxes.htm

Thanks for that, Bob.  One thing I love about Ubuntu, and which bodes 
well for its broad adoption, is that they have probably the easiest, 
most convenient, one-CD-image install I've seen.  Your article makes it 
even easier.  Good work.

> There is one other simple piece of advice I would like to offer in 
> addition to that given in the article. After downloading ISO files from 
> Ubuntu or any other source, CHECK THE BYTE COUNT IS CORRECT before 
> burning your CD or attempting to install.

Providing checksums seems a relatively common practice these days, but 
it raises a question:  if a hacker can replace the download, what's to 
prevent them from also replacing the checksum string?

I've had a few customers from large organizations ask me to provide a 
checksum for WebMerge, and when I've asked them that question they've 
had no answer.  Any insight into what I'm overlooking on this would be 
appreciated.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar 19 10:56:53 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:56:53 -0700
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
Message-ID: <45FEA4B5.1030407@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
> Some more information on this.
> 
> If I delete the Text counter object from the group that gets exported  
> the it will output many more images (once it actually did all 500)  
> before stopping. Doing this it will just continue forever, e.g. Most  
> of the time I don't get the error dialog and mouseUp handler never  
> exits.
> 
> I looked at the system activity monitor and found that 1.68 GB OUT of  
> my 2 GB was allocated to RunRev, so I guess it really is leaking!

Is that physical memory or virtual? On OS X I've seen seemingly small 
apps take up a surprising amount of virtual memory, but operate in a 
much smaller physical space.

Although FWIW I've not seen my Rev usage climb that high while running 
these tests.  Are there plugins or other stacks running which may play a 
role here?


> I also tried storing the image into a variable instead of a file and  
> get the same problems.
> 
> Not sure what else to try? Would be interesting to find out why it  
> works on your system and not mine or Ian's. Anyone what to try this  
> on their system? Haven't tried this at all under Windows.
> 
> Thanks a lot and All the Best
> Dave
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> Mac OS X 10.4.8, MacBook Pro 2.16GHz Core Duo, 2GB RAM
> 
> Ok, are you using the standard RunRev IDE and not running anything  
> other that the standard RunRev stuff?

I did the test both in Rev with only the default installaton, and in 
MetaCard loaded up with several megs of my own tools.  Same good result 
with each.

> I set the fill color via the Property Inspector, not via a script,  
> not sure if that would make a difference. I have removed all fill  
> colors and I still get the error when writing file number 289. I've  
> also tried making the object/rectangle smaller, still stops on file 289.

In theory it should make no difference, since the Inspector is setting 
the same property I set in script.  If anything, one might expect the 
script to do a better job of exposing any issue with that since it's 
working harder, setting the color over and over with each iteration.

Unfortunately this week I'm up to my gills in client work, so I won't be 
able to run another test on this.  It may be helpful to submit a test 
stack which reproduces the problem reliably on your system to 
support at runrev.com, so they can reproduce it there.  With their 
low-level debugging tools I'm sure that if they can reproduce it they'll 
be able to fix it in short order.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Mar 19 11:14:29 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:14:29 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <45FEA4B5.1030407@fourthworld.com>
References: <45FEA4B5.1030407@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1552BACA-CB89-4E38-A969-2448CE94027D@azurevision.co.uk>


On 19 Mar 2007, at 14:56, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Is that physical memory or virtual? On OS X I've seen seemingly  
> small apps take up a surprising amount of virtual memory, but  
> operate in a much smaller physical space.
>
> Although FWIW I've not seen my Rev usage climb that high while  
> running these tests.  Are there plugins or other stacks running  
> which may play a role here

When I tried it, Rev was grabbing 3.5GB of physical RAM (out of 4GB),  
and quite a bit of virtual RAM as well.

Ian


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Mar 19 11:19:08 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:19:08 -0600
Subject: Revolution and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <6F39E17A-05A5-4BE8-AD1F-F62BEADE4617@kagi.com>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>	<BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
	<3BEE800D-8F06-41C5-AFE5-DADD9B9C5441@kagi.com>
	<45FC246C.9020304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<6F39E17A-05A5-4BE8-AD1F-F62BEADE4617@kagi.com>
Message-ID: <63524AD5-7E0D-4F72-B31C-0B8266BC4C81@byu.edu>


On Mar 17, 2007, at 10:19 PM, kee nethery wrote:

> My primary problem is that I need to access a web page that is  
> UTF8, and convert it to unicode so that I can edit it and save it  
> out as a file of unicode. There are a few good examples of how to  
> deal with unicode in revolution but so far no examples of using get  
> URL "http:// ..." to obtain the UTF8 web page and convert it to  
> unicode.
>
>
> Here are things I have learned about revolution and unicode after  
> many hours of searching:
>
> The DVD from Revcon 2006 has the talk by Devin Asay on unicode and  
> it covers lots of the gotchas on using Unicode.
> <http://www.runrev.com/offers/conference_dvd.php>
>
> Devin has a web page with some similar content
> <http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/unicodeInRev.html>
>
> His stack from the Revcon 2006 presentation has the example scripts  
> that he referred to and although I have a copy from the conference,  
> I cannot find any references to it online to provide a url.

Kee,

Try: go stack URL "http://revolution.byu.edu/unicodeInRev.rev"
and: go stack URL "http://revolution.byu.edu/unicodeExamples.rev"

> If this is hopeless using
> get URL "http:// ..."
> to grab utf8 and convert it to unicode it would be great to know  
> that now.

Both of these stack show examples of how to read and write utf-8 files.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar 19 11:34:29 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:34:29 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <1552BACA-CB89-4E38-A969-2448CE94027D@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <45FEA4B5.1030407@fourthworld.com>
	<1552BACA-CB89-4E38-A969-2448CE94027D@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6A83B1BB-9C07-43CB-B273-FC627E816DC8@looktowindward.com>


On 19 Mar 2007, at 15:14, Ian Wood wrote:

>
> On 19 Mar 2007, at 14:56, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Is that physical memory or virtual? On OS X I've seen seemingly  
>> small apps take up a surprising amount of virtual memory, but  
>> operate in a much smaller physical space.
>>
>> Although FWIW I've not seen my Rev usage climb that high while  
>> running these tests.  Are there plugins or other stacks running  
>> which may play a role here
>
> When I tried it, Rev was grabbing 3.5GB of physical RAM (out of  
> 4GB), and quite a bit of virtual RAM as well.
>
> Ian

Yes, I've just verified it again, it takes 1.8 GB and never gives it  
back. If I put the counter field back, it stops at file 289 with a  
write error, if I don't have the counter (or if the counter is pushed  
behind the rectangle (which is filled with "red")) then it writes a  
lot more files before it hangs. Did you try this on Windows or just  
on the Mac?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Mar 19 11:42:22 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:42:22 -0600
Subject: Revolution and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <63524AD5-7E0D-4F72-B31C-0B8266BC4C81@byu.edu>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>	<BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
	<3BEE800D-8F06-41C5-AFE5-DADD9B9C5441@kagi.com>
	<45FC246C.9020304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<6F39E17A-05A5-4BE8-AD1F-F62BEADE4617@kagi.com>
	<63524AD5-7E0D-4F72-B31C-0B8266BC4C81@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <F4661F50-1028-4AE2-BABF-B5A7E8E43C6B@byu.edu>


On Mar 19, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

>> Devin has a web page with some similar content
>> <http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/unicodeInRev.html>
>>
>> His stack from the Revcon 2006 presentation has the example  
>> scripts that he referred to and although I have a copy from the  
>> conference, I cannot find any references to it online to provide a  
>> url.
>
> Kee,
>
> Try: go stack URL "http://revolution.byu.edu/unicodeInRev.rev"
> and: go stack URL "http://revolution.byu.edu/unicodeExamples.rev"

Oooops! That should be:

go stack URL "http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/unicodeInRev.rev"
go stack URL "http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/unicodeExamples.rev"

>
>> If this is hopeless using
>> get URL "http:// ..."
>> to grab utf8 and convert it to unicode it would be great to know  
>> that now.
>
> Both of these stack show examples of how to read and write utf-8  
> files.
>
> Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From cszasz at mac.com  Mon Mar 19 11:59:59 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:59:59 -0400
Subject: OS X Standalone Icon Problems
Message-ID: <DEA02187-1865-4477-9CCE-BC79EB20AABB@mac.com>

I have completed my standalones for windows and OS X. The icons that  
I used for windows in the standalone worked fine. I was able to  
assign my application icons  to use in dialogs for my OS X  
application but I have not had any success with OS X standalones. I  
cannot replace the generic application icon. Maybe it is wrong size  
of the OS X application icon. What is the icon size for OS X  
applications?

I have tried opening the information for the application and deleting  
the icon but that has not worked. Any suggestions?


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From cszasz at mac.com  Sat Mar 10 14:31:17 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 14:31:17 -0500
Subject: Moving a button
Message-ID: <07A38C6C-E827-4659-B985-4799A5AE7AF7@mac.com>

I have tried to move a button based on the properties of two buttons  
but this does not work. Here is the script:

on preopenCard

   if the label of button "check3" is not visible and the label of  
button "check6" is visible
   then
     set the location of button "check6" to the location of this card
   end if

end preopenCard

If I just type set the location of button "check6" to the location of  
this card in the message box, it works. But with the if statement the  
above does not work.

Any suggestions?


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From cszasz at mac.com  Sun Mar 11 08:48:13 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 08:48:13 -0400
Subject: Moving Checkbox
Message-ID: <B7322781-9108-4CC2-A613-F4035168082D@mac.com>

I have tried to move a button based on the properties of two buttons  
but this does not work. Here is the script:

on preopenCard

   if the label of button "check3" is not visible and the label of  
button "check6" is visible
   then
     set the location of button "check6" to the location of this card
   end if

end preopenCard

If I just type set the location of button "check6" to the location of  
this card in the message box, it works. But with the if statement the  
above does not work.

Any suggestions?



Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar 15 10:39:24 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:39:24 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45F95A9C.9020004@howsoft.com>

Don Jungk wrote:

>  Hi Bob,
> > OK, your PS file does have accented characters in it. It appears they are just 
> > in the wrong place. This code that I will paste in here is something I use 
> > when I have to re-encode a Macintosh font to work on my Linux computer. This 
> > should be put after all of the original encoding because it is going to 
> > change it. 
>   
Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:
<snip>

Wow. That's just...wow. The level of expertise on this list never ceases 
to amaze me.

-----------------------------------------------------
And if that's your reaction, imagine mine! It's the first time I've even seen a Postscript file.
OK Don, thanks very much. I'll sit down calmly and see if I can manage to implement your suggestion, and when inevitably I have problems I'll get back to you. Tell you what, I'll include the whole PS file that does NOT work below. I did think of uploading it to my site, but in the end I decided that perhaps other users could more easily benefit from your explanations with the file in front of them. Perhaps some users will complain about the length of it, so I apologise in advance.

Jacque:

Thanks for your further suggested experiments. I'll come back with the answers, but it might take a little time because I have quite a lot of non-programming work to do over the next few days.

----------------------------------------------------------
THE FOLLOWING POSTSCRIPT FILE DOES NOT DISPLAY CORRECTLY USING THE EVINCE UTILITY IN UBUNTU:
----------------------------------------------------------

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        } forall
        } if pop
        currentdict dup end end
        /FontName get exch definefont pop
        } bind def
        
        %usage: width height LLx LLy FR  Fill-Rectangle
        /FR { %def
        gsave
        newpath
        moveto
        1 index 0 rlineto
        0 exch rlineto
        neg 0 rlineto
        closepath fill
        grestore
        } bind def
        
%usage: width height LLx LLy R    Rectangle routine
        /R { %def
        gsave
        newpath
        moveto 
        1 index 0 rlineto
        0 exch rlineto
        neg 0 rlineto
        closepath
        stroke
        grestore
        } bind def
        
        %usage: topLeftx, topLefty, width, height, radius  FRR
        /FRR { %def  (tlx tly w h r --)  Fill Rounded Rectangle
        gsave
        matrix currentmatrix
        newpath 6 1 roll 5 -2 roll translate
        dup 0 exch neg moveto
        mark 0 3 index neg 5 index 5 index neg 5 index arcto cleartomark
        mark 3 index 3 index neg 5 index 0 5 index arcto cleartomark
        mark 3 index 0 0 0 5 index arcto cleartomark
        mark 0 0 0 5 index neg 5 index arcto cleartomark
        closepath pop pop pop fill setmatrix
        grestore
        } bind def
        
        %usage: topLeftx, topLefty, width, height, radius  RR
        /RR { %def  (tlx tly w h r --)  Draw Rounded Rectangle
        gsave
        matrix currentmatrix
        newpath 6 1 roll 5 -2 roll translate
        dup 0 exch neg moveto
        mark 0 3 index neg 5 index 5 index neg 5 index arcto cleartomark
        mark 3 index 3 index neg 5 index 0 5 index arcto cleartomark
        mark 3 index 0 0 0 5 index arcto cleartomark
        mark 0 0 0 5 index neg 5 index arcto cleartomark
        closepath  pop pop pop  stroke setmatrix
        grestore
        } bind def
        
        %usage: width height LLx LLy CLP  set clipping rectangle
        /CLP { %def 
        newpath moveto
        1 index 0 rlineto
        0 exch rlineto
        neg 0 rlineto
        closepath clip
        } bind def
        
        %usage: tx ty fx fy L
        /L { %def
        gsave newpath
        moveto lineto stroke
        grestore
        } bind def
        
        %usage: pn.x pn.y ... p1.x p1.y Count  LS %%print a line w/points 
        /LS { %def Draws connected line segments
        gsave newpath
        3 1 roll
        moveto
        {lineto} repeat stroke
        grestore
        } bind def
        
%usage: pn.x pn.y ... p1.x p1.y Count  CLS %%print a line w/points 
        /CLS { %def Draws connected line segments AND CLOSE path
        gsave newpath
        3 1 roll
        moveto
        {lineto} repeat 
        closepath
        stroke
        grestore
        } bind def
        
        %usage: (Hello!) 72 512 T
        /T { %def
        gsave moveto show
        grestore
        } bind def
        
        %parameters: # of char -1, ScreenTextWidth, string, x, y, AT(Ajusted Text)
        %usage: 120 8 (Hello!) 72 512 AT
        /AT { %def
        gsave moveto
        dup                        %duplicate a copy of the String
        4 1 roll                   %move one copy of string to the bottom of stack
        stringwidth pop            %get PS string width and pop the Height out(no need)
        sub 
        exch
        div 
        0 3 2 roll ashow
        grestore
        } bind def
        
        %usage: 10 /Times-Roman setFont
        %if findfont command failed, we substitue with Helvetica default font
        %if findfont command does not failed, it may substitute the font specified with
        %system own default, we want to replace it with Helvetica too.
        /setFont { %def
        dup
        { findfont } stopped 
        { %execution stopped if can't find specified font
        pop pop /_Helvetica findfont exch scalefont setfont %replace with Helvetica
        }
        { %found the font specified or replace with a system font
        dup                      %dup the font dictionary
        4 1 roll 
        /FontName get eq         %compare font name with the font name specified
        {                    %if they are the same, go ahead and set the font
        scalefont setfont
        }
        {      %not the same, system substitued with a font, set our own font
        /_Helvetica findfont exch scalefont setfont pop
        }ifelse
        } ifelse
        } bind def
        
        %usage: 10 /Times-Roman F
        /F { %def
        findfont exch scalefont setfont
        } bind def
        
%usage: radius startAngle arcAngle yScale centerX centerY FA 
        %this routine fills an Arc
        /FA { %def
        gsave newpath
        translate 1 scale
        0 0 moveto
        0 0 5 2 roll arc
        closepath fill grestore
        } bind def
        
        %usage: invyscale 0 0 radius starAngle arcAngle yScale centerX centerY DA 
        %this routine draws and an Arc
        /DA { %def
        gsave newpath
        translate 1 scale
        arc 1 scale stroke grestore
        } bind def
        
        /BeginEPSF { %def
        /b4_Inc_state save def
        /dict_count countdictstack def
        /op_count count 1 sub def
        userdict begin
        /showpage {} def
        /exitserver {} def
        /product (none) def
        /jobname (none) def
        /revision 1 def
        /version 1 def
        /languagelevel 1 def
        /serialnumber 1 def
        /manualfeedtimeout 0 def
        /setjobtimeout {pop} bind def
        /waittimeout 0  def
        /setdefaulttimeouts {pop pop pop} bind def
        /setrealdevice {pop pop} bind def
        /checkpassword {pop true} bind def
        /manualfeed false def
        0 setgray 0 setlinecap
        1 setlinewidth 0 setlinejoin
        10 setmiterlimit [] 0 setdash newpath
        /languagelevel where
        {pop languagelevel
        1 ne
        {false setstrokeadjust false setoverprint
        } if
        } if
        } bind def
        
        /EndEPSF { %def
        count op_count sub {pop} repeat
        countdictstack dict_count sub {end} repeat
        b4_Inc_state restore
        } bind def
        
        %usage: width, height, 8 rlecmapimage 
        %un-RLE image, then convert colormap entries to RGB values
        /rlecmapimage {
        /buffer 1 string def
        /rgbval 3 string def
        /block 384 string def
        { currentfile buffer readhexstring pop
        /bcount exch 0 get store
        bcount 128 ge
        {
        0 1 bcount 128 sub
        { currentfile buffer readhexstring pop pop
        /rgbval cmap buffer 0 get 3 mul 3 getinterval store
        block exch 3 mul rgbval putinterval
        } for
        block 0 bcount 127 sub 3 mul getinterval
        }
        {
        currentfile buffer readhexstring pop pop
        /rgbval cmap buffer 0 get 3 mul 3 getinterval store
        0 1 bcount { block exch 3 mul rgbval putinterval} for
        block 0 bcount 1 add 3 mul getinterval
        } ifelse
        }
        false 3 colorimage
        } bind def
        %%EndProlog
%%Page: MC 1
1.3 setlinewidth
gsave
72 620 translate
1 1 scale
1.0 setgray
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100 100 0 0 FR
gsave
92 100 8 0 CLP
gsave
92 100 8 0 CLP
0.996109 0.996109 0.996109 setrgbcolor
9 1 142 1 L
142 1 142 99 L
10 2 141 2 L
141 2 141 98 L
0.67451 0.67451 0.67451 setrgbcolor
8 1 8 100 L
8 100 142 100 L
9 2 9 99 L
9 99 141 99 L
grestore
gsave
90 96 10 2 CLP
0.862745 0.862745 0.862745 setrgbcolor
90 96 10 2 FR
isolatin1encoding /_Helvetica /Helvetica RE
10 /_Helvetica setFont
0 0 0 setrgbcolor
9 47 (bom ar [1]) 12 90 AT
11 53 (bom-bril [1]) 12 77 AT
9 46 (15 72 (desinfetante [1]) 12 51 AT
14 73 (desodorante [1]) 12 38 AT
13 65 (detergente [1]) 12 25 AT
10 50 (esponja [1]) 12 12 AT
17 74 (grestore
gsave
92 100 8 0 CLP
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gsave
92 100 8 0 CLP
grestore
grestore
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92 32 8 68 CLP
gsave
92 32 8 68 CLP
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gsave
92 32 8 68 CLP
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18 /_Helvetica-Bold setFont
0 0 0 setrgbcolor
5 77 (MASTER) 37 78 AT
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92 32 8 68 CLP
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92 32 8 68 CLP
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91 20 9 53 CLP
gsave
91 20 9 53 CLP
grestore
gsave
91 20 9 53 CLP
14 /_Helvetica-Bold setFont
0 0 0 setrgbcolor
6 55 (Limpeza) 49 55 AT
grestore
gsave
91 20 9 53 CLP
grestore
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91 20 9 53 CLP
grestore
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showpage
%%EOF






From lynn at paradigmasoft.com  Sun Mar 18 14:11:19 2007
From: lynn at paradigmasoft.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 11:11:19 -0700
Subject: Did you notice a change in the forums?
Message-ID: <010101c76988$d4e3b4f0$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

Anyone notice any changes in the forums? :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com
 



From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar 19 12:21:49 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:21:49 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <45FEA4B5.1030407@fourthworld.com>
References: <45FEA4B5.1030407@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A3DFA2A5-9428-4A4D-909C-61F689DE7AD9@looktowindward.com>


On 19 Mar 2007, at 14:56, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> Some more information on this.
>> If I delete the Text counter object from the group that gets  
>> exported  the it will output many more images (once it actually  
>> did all 500)  before stopping. Doing this it will just continue  
>> forever, e.g. Most  of the time I don't get the error dialog and  
>> mouseUp handler never  exits.
>> I looked at the system activity monitor and found that 1.68 GB OUT  
>> of  my 2 GB was allocated to RunRev, so I guess it really is leaking!
>
> Is that physical memory or virtual? On OS X I've seen seemingly  
> small apps take up a surprising amount of virtual memory, but  
> operate in a much smaller physical space.

Real Memory, I can watch free memory drop and get allocated to RunRev  
until around 1.7 GB level then thing start to slow way down and I  
either get the error dialog, RunRev hangs or it manages to finish ok.  
When it does finish ok, if I run it again Free Memory continues to  
shrink until it reaches the point where I get the error dialog or it  
hangs. If I close the stack it still doesn't get de-allocated, the  
only thing that appears to cause it to be de-allocated is quitting  
RunRev.

> Although FWIW I've not seen my Rev usage climb that high while  
> running these tests.  Are there plugins or other stacks running  
> which may play a role here?

The only plug-in I have loaded is the stackFormat plugin, other than  
that it's a Standard RunRev Install. I have tried it with the  
stackFileVersion property set to 2.4 and 2.7.

>
>> I also tried storing the image into a variable instead of a file  
>> and  get the same problems.
>> Not sure what else to try? Would be interesting to find out why  
>> it  works on your system and not mine or Ian's. Anyone what to try  
>> this  on their system? Haven't tried this at all under Windows.
>> Thanks a lot and All the Best
>> Dave
>> Hi,
>>> Mac OS X 10.4.8, MacBook Pro 2.16GHz Core Duo, 2GB RAM
>> Ok, are you using the standard RunRev IDE and not running  
>> anything  other that the standard RunRev stuff?
>
> I did the test both in Rev with only the default installaton, and  
> in MetaCard loaded up with several megs of my own tools.  Same good  
> result with each.
>
>> I set the fill color via the Property Inspector, not via a  
>> script,  not sure if that would make a difference. I have removed  
>> all fill  colors and I still get the error when writing file  
>> number 289. I've  also tried making the object/rectangle smaller,  
>> still stops on file 289.
>
> In theory it should make no difference, since the Inspector is  
> setting the same property I set in script.  If anything, one might  
> expect the script to do a better job of exposing any issue with  
> that since it's working harder, setting the color over and over  
> with each iteration.
>
> Unfortunately this week I'm up to my gills in client work, so I  
> won't be able to run another test on this.  It may be helpful to  
> submit a test stack which reproduces the problem reliably on your  
> system to support at runrev.com, so they can reproduce it there.  With  
> their low-level debugging tools I'm sure that if they can reproduce  
> it they'll be able to fix it in short order.

Ok will do.

All the Best
Dave




From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Mar 19 12:27:57 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:27:57 +0100
Subject: Did you notice a change in the forums?
In-Reply-To: <010101c76988$d4e3b4f0$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <010101c76988$d4e3b4f0$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <5374424B-D7D0-4323-A36E-6461CDEF2CEE@major-k.de>

Hi Lynn,

> Anyone notice any changes in the forums? :-)

No :-)

> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> Worldwide Business Operations
> Runtime Revolution Ltd
> http://www.runrev.com

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Mar 19 12:28:18 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:28:18 +0000
Subject: Moving a button
In-Reply-To: <07A38C6C-E827-4659-B985-4799A5AE7AF7@mac.com>
References: <07A38C6C-E827-4659-B985-4799A5AE7AF7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C7268BFC-EDF1-4E4E-B57E-BBD7BD27A60B@maseurope.net>

Charles, the label of a button is a property of that button and does  
not have properties of it's own. I think what you need to test for is  
the showName property of the button itself.

if the showName of button "check3" is not true and the showName of  
button "check6" is true
   then
     set the location of button "check6" to the location of this card
   end if


Best,

Mark

On 10 Mar 2007, at 19:31, Charles Szasz wrote:

> I have tried to move a button based on the properties of two  
> buttons but this does not work. Here is the script:
>
> on preopenCard
>
>   if the label of button "check3" is not visible and the label of  
> button "check6" is visible
>   then
>     set the location of button "check6" to the location of this card
>   end if
>
> end preopenCard
>
> If I just type set the location of button "check6" to the location  
> of this card in the message box, it works. But with the if  
> statement the above does not work.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com
>
>
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar 19 12:29:49 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:29:49 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <1552BACA-CB89-4E38-A969-2448CE94027D@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <45FEA4B5.1030407@fourthworld.com>
	<1552BACA-CB89-4E38-A969-2448CE94027D@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FD5E6A11-8188-4112-8C2A-619F437FC6C4@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Some more information:

I built a standalone, this writes 288 files but I don't get the error  
dialog and it doesn't complete correctly, e.g. I don't get the  
"Done!" dialog at the end.

Looking at the System Activity Monitor it only grabs around 35 MB of  
real memory 377 MB of virtual - it doesn't allocate the Gigabytes as  
it does while running under the IDE.

Anyone got *any* ideas how to work around this? I am working on a  
demo and need this to work ASAP, otherwise I may as well just stop  
work on it now.

All the Best
Dave

On 19 Mar 2007, at 15:14, Ian Wood wrote:

>
> On 19 Mar 2007, at 14:56, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Is that physical memory or virtual? On OS X I've seen seemingly  
>> small apps take up a surprising amount of virtual memory, but  
>> operate in a much smaller physical space.
>>
>> Although FWIW I've not seen my Rev usage climb that high while  
>> running these tests.  Are there plugins or other stacks running  
>> which may play a role here
>
> When I tried it, Rev was grabbing 3.5GB of physical RAM (out of  
> 4GB), and quite a bit of virtual RAM as well.
>
> Ian

Yes, I've just verified it again, it takes 1.8 GB and never gives it  
back. If I put the counter field back, it stops at file 289 with a  
write error, if I don't have the counter (or if the counter is pushed  
behind the rectangle (which is filled with "red")) then it writes a  
lot more files before it hangs. Did you try this on Windows or just  
on the Mac?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Mon Mar 19 12:32:08 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:32:08 -0700
Subject: Moving a button
In-Reply-To: <07A38C6C-E827-4659-B985-4799A5AE7AF7@mac.com>
References: <07A38C6C-E827-4659-B985-4799A5AE7AF7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8A3BFFAA-C2AE-4B81-BAC4-1C3FE123B4F4@Cox.Net>

Yes, Charles. I'd put a couple of beeps into your script, or some  
puts to msg, so that you know the various parts of the script are  
even being called. I suspect your "ifs" are blocking the flow for  
some reason. Also, your naming of buttons may not be exactly correct.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 10, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Charles Szasz wrote:

> I have tried to move a button based on the properties of two  
> buttons but this does not work. Here is the script:
>
> on preopenCard
>
>   if the label of button "check3" is not visible and the label of  
> button "check6" is visible
>   then
>     set the location of button "check6" to the location of this card
>   end if
>
> end preopenCard
>
> If I just type set the location of button "check6" to the location  
> of this card in the message box, it works. But with the if  
> statement the above does not work.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
>
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From klaus at major-k.de  Mon Mar 19 12:32:49 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:32:49 +0100
Subject: Moving Checkbox
In-Reply-To: <B7322781-9108-4CC2-A613-F4035168082D@mac.com>
References: <B7322781-9108-4CC2-A613-F4035168082D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F42FABD5-80A3-4D9D-8540-B3F2973DBA66@major-k.de>

Hi Charles,

> I have tried to move a button based on the properties of two  
> buttons but this does not work. Here is the script:
>
> on preopenCard
>   if the label of button "check3" is not visible and the label of  
> button "check6" is visible
>   then
>     set the location of button "check6" to the location of this card
>   end if
> end preopenCard
>
> If I just type set the location of button "check6" to the location  
> of this card in the message box, it works. But with the if  
> statement the above does not work.
> Any suggestions?

What exactly do you mean?

"the label of btn xyz" is a string that is displayed instead of the  
button's name
and does not have a property "visible" per se!

Showing/hiding a LABEL (the name) only works by setting the "showname  
of btn xyz" to true or false.
Maybe this is what you are after?

...
   if the showname of button "check3" = false and the showname of  
button "check6" = true then
      set the location of button "check6" to the location of this card
   end if
...

> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Mar 19 12:41:09 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:41:09 -0600
Subject: Did you notice a change in the forums?
In-Reply-To: <5374424B-D7D0-4323-A36E-6461CDEF2CEE@major-k.de>
References: <010101c76988$d4e3b4f0$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
	<5374424B-D7D0-4323-A36E-6461CDEF2CEE@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <3BADCEB0-7732-40FB-BF99-410AEA7ED567@byu.edu>


On Mar 19, 2007, at 10:27 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> Hi Lynn,
>
>> Anyone notice any changes in the forums? :-)
>
> No :-)

I think he means that you no longer have to log in to read the forums  
(fora?). Only to post.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mark_powell at symantec.com  Mon Mar 19 12:53:36 2007
From: mark_powell at symantec.com (Mark Powell)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:53:36 -0700
Subject: Bkgnd process that returns immediately
References: <OF1F02A75E.BFCDA77B-ONC12572A3.00240822-C12572A3.00242D73@deutsche-boerse.com>
Message-ID: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C704071EFA@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>

  put "start /MAX C:\foo.html > C:\foo.txt" into MyCom	
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true	
  get  "start cmd /c"  && quote & MyCom & quote	
  get shell(it)

To keep the console window from flashing in the snippet above, Xavier
responded


  use "start /b" to hide the window.


I have tried this, in both line 1 and line 3, and in various ordering.
But the console still flashes.  What am I doing wrong?  

What is the entire single line of script with the /b in the recommended
position?

Gratefully,

Mark


From bryan at deepfoo.com  Mon Mar 19 13:24:22 2007
From: bryan at deepfoo.com (Bryan McCormick)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:24:22 -0400
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
Message-ID: <45FEC746.8060306@deepfoo.com>

Jim,

Thanks for the script snippet. It didn't quite work as shown, but it did 
get me to think about the problem more carefully. I came up with this:

put 
"-Jan-,-Feb-,-Mar-,-Apr-,-May-,-Jun-,-Jul-,-Aug-,-Sep-,-Oct-,-Nov-,-Dec-" 
into mthStrings


-- i seemed to need to separate the routine here, running it with the 
loops as shown didn't function as expected.


  repeat for each item mth in mthStrings
      put makeOffsets(mth,textBlock) after varOffsets
   end repeat

sorts line of varOffsets numeric

-- note that i added a third param in case i need to "force" the routine 
to start elsewhere. it is set to 0 when i run this on the string in 
question (which by the way is about 5000 chars long)

function makeOffsets mth,textBlock,posStart
   if posStart = empty then
     put 0 into pos
   else
     put posStart into pos
   end if
   repeat until varOffset = 0
     put offset(mth, textBlock, pos) into varOffset
     if varOffset <> 0 and varOffset <> posStart then
       if pos  <> 0 then
         put pos&return after newText
       end if
       add varoffset+length(mth)+1 to pos
     else
       exit repeat
     end if
   end repeat
   return newText
end makeOffsets



There is another routine that then does some manipulation on the 
returned offsets since I need to put the return in BEFORE the date and 
as luck would have it the day part of the date (format is 
day-month-year) is not always two characters so I had to add in a 
routine to check for numerics back from the offset position.

Here is the odd thing though. As far as I can see the script should work 
perfectly on a string without any delims and a bunch of dates in it. 
Oddly this is not the case.

It mostly works (which means I've made a mistake or the file isn't quite 
as neat as I think it is) but gets thrown off and does not find offsets 
that it should. It does not seem to matter how long or short the record 
is nor does it happen consistently in the same place. But it always 
happens. I've looked for possible length errors (did I overshoot a 
record) but that does not seem possible or the whole thing would be broken.

What happens is, randomly it seems, some lines contain multiple records 
in a single string.

Thoughts greatly appreciated.

I could (and probably will) write another routine for expediency to walk 
through the lines of the partially correct records to see if there is 
another date line item in it, but I have to say I am stumped as to how 
it could be skipping over some records and then finding them just fine 
after the error occurs.

I checked for random oddball chars and confirmed that the dates not 
found are in fact properly formatted as x or xx-JAN-xx.

And oh yes, I am able to find the offset("-Nov-", fld 1) in the field 
that the resulting partially recovered list is placed in. So it does not 
appear to be an offset bug, not one that I can see anyway.



From dave at looktowindward.com  Mon Mar 19 13:34:31 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:34:31 +0000
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
In-Reply-To: <45FEC746.8060306@deepfoo.com>
References: <45FEC746.8060306@deepfoo.com>
Message-ID: <CDA24C5D-FA63-4C63-BC3B-A32342994ACE@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Not 100% sure, but should you start from 1? e.g.

>     put 0 into pos

should be:

  put 1 into pos

All the Best
Dave

On 19 Mar 2007, at 17:24, Bryan McCormick wrote:

>
> -- note that i added a third param in case i need to "force" the  
> routine to start elsewhere. it is set to 0 when i run this on the  
> string in question (which by the way is about 5000 chars long)
>
> function makeOffsets mth,textBlock,posStart
>   if posStart = empty then
>     put 0 into pos
>   else
>     put posStart into pos
>   end if
>   repeat until varOffset = 0
>     put offset(mth, textBlock, pos) into varOffset
>     if varOffset <> 0 and varOffset <> posStart then
>       if pos  <> 0 then
>         put pos&return after newText
>       end if
>       add varoffset+length(mth)+1 to pos
>     else
>       exit repeat
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   return newText
> end makeOffsets
>



From kee at kagi.com  Mon Mar 19 13:44:59 2007
From: kee at kagi.com (kee nethery)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:44:59 -0700
Subject: Revolution and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <F4661F50-1028-4AE2-BABF-B5A7E8E43C6B@byu.edu>
References: <etdn6u$l10$1@sea.gmane.org>	<27DC7072-844D-42DE-BC37-BB019D18F9CE@widged.com>	<BE057F12-99BE-4DC1-8BA6-FBC7DE2E88B8@Cox.Net>	<BC2CCADE-4203-4C32-8744-0F7712F3943B@widged.com>
	<3BEE800D-8F06-41C5-AFE5-DADD9B9C5441@kagi.com>
	<45FC246C.9020304@hyperactivesw.com>
	<6F39E17A-05A5-4BE8-AD1F-F62BEADE4617@kagi.com>
	<63524AD5-7E0D-4F72-B31C-0B8266BC4C81@byu.edu>
	<F4661F50-1028-4AE2-BABF-B5A7E8E43C6B@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <D86ED8AF-1C67-4E69-957A-00D685AD3B61@kagi.com>

>
> Oooops! That should be:
>
> go stack URL "http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/unicodeInRev.rev"
> go stack URL "http://revolution.byu.edu/unicode/unicodeExamples.rev"

Thanks, these were the stacks I had from the conference and simple as  
they are, they are extremely useful (probably because they are  
simple). Thanks for providing the links (and of course for building  
them).
Kee




From bryan at deepfoo.com  Mon Mar 19 13:49:34 2007
From: bryan at deepfoo.com (Bryan McCormick)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:49:34 -0400
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
Message-ID: <45FECD2E.1020001@deepfoo.com>

Dave,

Sadly it does not impact the outcome. Mind you I tried it just in case.

I have played with all the vars that I can think of and it does nothing. 
It does not even appear to matter (as I thought) if there are multiple 
months (i.e "-Jan-") of the same type in a row (thought it might be 
finding the first and missing the others somehow, but no), it doesn't 
matter if the date is of xx-Month-xx, or x-Month-XX, nor does it matter 
the order or how often these appear in the string and it doesn't seem to 
matter how long or short the record or the file happens to be.

It should work as far as I can see. I am stumped at this point. It is an 
error for sure (on my end) it is just really subtle it seems. Or it will 
be until someone points the magic finger and says "here it is you idiot"!



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Mar 19 15:36:47 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:36:47 -0300
Subject: Installing Ubuntu or other Linuxes
Message-ID: <45FEE64F.2000909@howsoft.com>

Bob Warren wrote:

> > In my last post, I recommended a short article of simple, practical 
> > (layman's) advice for those considering the possibility of trying Linux 
> > (or my favourite, Ubuntu) and Rev/Linux 2.6.1 for the first time.
> > 
> > It has now been properly presented, and you can view it at the following 
> > URL if you are interested:
> > 
> > http://www.howsoft.com/runrev/installing_ubuntu_or_other_linuxes.htm
>   

Richard Gaskin wrote:

>Thanks for that, Bob.  One thing I love about Ubuntu, and which bodes 
well for its broad adoption, is that they have probably the easiest, 
most convenient, one-CD-image install I've seen.  Your article makes it 
even easier.  Good work.


> > There is one other simple piece of advice I would like to offer in 
> > addition to that given in the article. After downloading ISO files from 
> > Ubuntu or any other source, CHECK THE BYTE COUNT IS CORRECT before 
> > burning your CD or attempting to install.
>   

Providing checksums seems a relatively common practice these days, but 
it raises a question:  if a hacker can replace the download, what's to 
prevent them from also replacing the checksum string?

I've had a few customers from large organizations ask me to provide a 
checksum for WebMerge, and when I've asked them that question they've 
had no answer.  Any insight into what I'm overlooking on this would be 
appreciated.

--------------------------------------------------- Thank you, and 
you're welcome. Any flashes of insight will be immediately transmitted. 
In general terms, perhaps the reliability of the source of the download 
is the main defence. I've never thought of a checksum as being anything 
other than a guide to the reliability of the download. In fact, I know 
absolutely nothing about checksums nowadays, but thinking back to about 
35 years ago when I used to work professionally in the computer field, I 
remember that a checksum was far more than a simple byte count. If the 
checksum of the file in one's possession did not correspond to the 
checksum at the source, then it had been altered in some way. So for 
example, two different files with the same byte counts could certainly 
be distinguished by their checksums. The most important thing is that 
the CHECKSUM itself (i.e. a pure number) should be received from a 
reliable source: the file can therefore be put in the hands of a 
potentially UNreliable source. But how does one view or calculate the 
checksum of a file anyway? I don't even know how to do that. It must 
depend on the TYPE of checksum, i.e. the algorithm used to calculate it. 
The algorithm needs to guarantee that a unique number is produced for 
the file, and if a single byte is replaced, the checksum is different. 
You can probably invent your own algorithm which produces a private 
style of checksum. Whatever, it remains that the number itself needs to 
be received from a reliable source, otherwise, nothing doing. If the 
calculated checksum of the file does not correspond to the number you 
have been given independently, then it has been hacked. I think that the 
answer to your question is that if you do not protect your information 
about this precious little number and provide a reliable source for 
transmitting it to the person who is going to receive the file, there is 
no way you can protect your file, wherever it is. I've deliberately let 
myself rave on like a lunatic, talking a lot of rubbish. Such things can 
sometimes provoke the creative flash of insight you are looking for. Bob



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 19 15:47:28 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:47:28 -0700
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
In-Reply-To: <45FECD2E.1020001@deepfoo.com>
Message-ID: <C22436E0.44257%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/19/07 10:49 AM, "Bryan McCormick" <bryan at deepfoo.com> wrote:

> Dave,
> 
> Sadly it does not impact the outcome. Mind you I tried it just in case.
> 
> I have played with all the vars that I can think of and it does nothing.
> It does not even appear to matter (as I thought) if there are multiple
> months (i.e "-Jan-") of the same type in a row (thought it might be
> finding the first and missing the others somehow, but no), it doesn't
> matter if the date is of xx-Month-xx, or x-Month-XX, nor does it matter
> the order or how often these appear in the string and it doesn't seem to
> matter how long or short the record or the file happens to be.
> 
> It should work as far as I can see. I am stumped at this point. It is an
> error for sure (on my end) it is just really subtle it seems. Or it will
> be until someone points the magic finger and says "here it is you idiot"!

A couple ideas 

-1--- make sure that you are not changing the length of the textBlock with
replacements.  This could accumulate to a significant offset error,
depending on how you build your loops.

-2--- test for null chars [00  ascii] used in some file formats
put length(textBlock) into origCharCnt
replace null with empty
answer  length(textBlock) - origCharCnt

-3--- do inspections to see if something is creating a false hit or false
miss....

put the number of lines in textBlock into foundMth

repeat <for each month string, -Jan-, -Feb-, etc.>
   replace "-Jan-" with cr &"Jan-" in textBlock
   get the number of lines in textBlock - sum(foundMth)
   put it &","after foundMth
   breakpoint
--now inspect the textBlock & foundMth for any odd occurrences

-- optional is to    filter textBlock without "*Jan-" thus purging as you go

end repeat


Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Mar 19 15:54:33 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:54:33 -0600
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
In-Reply-To: <45FEC746.8060306@deepfoo.com>
References: <45FEC746.8060306@deepfoo.com>
Message-ID: <BC1A1E63-072A-4CC3-B113-E8E5B32F6C45@byu.edu>


On Mar 19, 2007, at 11:24 AM, Bryan McCormick wrote:

> Jim,
>
> Thanks for the script snippet. It didn't quite work as shown, but  
> it did get me to think about the problem more carefully. I came up  
> with this:
>
> put "-Jan-,-Feb-,-Mar-,-Apr-,-May-,-Jun-,-Jul-,-Aug-,-Sep-,-Oct-,- 
> Nov-,-Dec-" into mthStrings

Bryan,

Is it possible that the original text string is not using hyphens  
consistently? Could there perhaps be en-dash and/or em-dash  
characters there, which look just like hyphens in monospaced fonts.  
If the original text was created in MS Word, for example, it often  
auto-substitutes en- or em-dashes for hyphens.

Just a thought.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Mar 19 15:55:54 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:55:54 -0300
Subject: Linux-specific technical problems
Message-ID: <45FEEACA.5010305@howsoft.com>

Sorry about that last enormous post under this thread which has polluted 
the list and is out of sequence.

It was held up by the moderator because it was a little over the maximum 
length allowed for the UR-List, but now it seems that it has finally 
been released! Way back, I substituted it with a shorter message and a 
link to the PS info concerned.

Just ignor it if you can!

Bob



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Mar 19 15:58:00 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:58:00 -0600
Subject: OS X Standalone Icon Problems
In-Reply-To: <DEA02187-1865-4477-9CCE-BC79EB20AABB@mac.com>
References: <DEA02187-1865-4477-9CCE-BC79EB20AABB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <71A698A6-9341-4AB0-8AE5-8C9080E2BE6B@byu.edu>

Charles,

Finder icons (and Windows application icons) must be in a specific  
format to work. How are you creating your icons?

Devin

On Mar 19, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Charles Szasz wrote:

> I have completed my standalones for windows and OS X. The icons  
> that I used for windows in the standalone worked fine. I was able  
> to assign my application icons  to use in dialogs for my OS X  
> application but I have not had any success with OS X standalones. I  
> cannot replace the generic application icon. Maybe it is wrong size  
> of the OS X application icon. What is the icon size for OS X  
> applications?
>
> I have tried opening the information for the application and  
> deleting the icon but that has not worked. Any suggestions?
>
>
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com
>
>
>
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Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Mar 19 16:17:46 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:17:46 -0700
Subject: Bkgnd process that returns immediately
In-Reply-To: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C704071EFA@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
References: <OF1F02A75E.BFCDA77B-ONC12572A3.00240822-C12572A3.00242D73@deutsche-boerse.com>
	<E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C704071EFA@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
Message-ID: <45FEEFEA.9080409@pdslabs.net>

Hi Mark,

One thing you might find helpful is the 'start' Help info. Open a command line 
(aka "DOS") window and at the prompt type:

help start

... or if you want to have the info in a text file type:

help start > my-start-help.txt

(the file will be created in the directory indicated on the prompt line)

HTH -
Phil Davis




Mark Powell wrote:
>   put "start /MAX C:\foo.html > C:\foo.txt" into MyCom	
>   set the hideConsoleWindows to true	
>   get  "start cmd /c"  && quote & MyCom & quote	
>   get shell(it)
> 
> To keep the console window from flashing in the snippet above, Xavier
> responded
> 
> 
>   use "start /b" to hide the window.
> 
> 
> I have tried this, in both line 1 and line 3, and in various ordering.
> But the console still flashes.  What am I doing wrong?  
> 
> What is the entire single line of script with the /b in the recommended
> position?
> 
> Gratefully,
> 
> Mark


From bryan at deepfoo.com  Mon Mar 19 16:40:17 2007
From: bryan at deepfoo.com (Bryan McCormick)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:40:17 -0400
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
Message-ID: <45FEF531.9070700@deepfoo.com>

Dave and Jim,

Thanks for the suggestions. I think I have now exhausted all but the 
ugly walk through by hand and find the errors/solutions. For the record:

1) The textBlock length is not changing since I am not deleting anything 
from the block (or adding). I am using pos to advance the search ahead 
in the string so that removal is not necessary. Or at least it should 
not be. This is confirmed.

2) Did the test for nulls. Nuttin' honey. Good idea though I had 
forgotten what a pain those can be. I am nonetheless flushing all the 
text before processing by removing nulls if they exists (they don't so 
far but that is not to say they might not happen in one or two of the 
files so it won't hurt).

3) Because these records are very simple and do not contain a whole lot, 
I was able to blow off any ascii below 32 and above 127. Doing this 
confirmed that the hyphens all appear to be hyphens. That was a good 
idea though, it could easily have been an oddball character.

4) Just to double check (it's more than double now but you get the 
drift) I checked to see if I could find known values in the suspect strings:

for example I searched for "5-Jan-99" explicitly because it is one of 
the errors. here is a fragment of the string it is in.

form5-Jan-99War


And yes, it is there when I type in "put offset("form5-Jan-99War", fld 
1)" into the msg box. Finds the offset without issue.

So the good news is at least the text is not getting munged in some 
awful way.

Unfortunately that means that there is just something brain-dead obvious 
yet hidden in the script.

I am going to take a rest before I have a melt and come back to it in a 
little while.

The better news is at least there are lines that can be checked now. 
Remember these were single long strings before this stage so if I have 
to do the ugly and go line by line, at least now I have have lines.



From bryan at deepfoo.com  Mon Mar 19 16:42:49 2007
From: bryan at deepfoo.com (Bryan McCormick)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:42:49 -0400
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
Message-ID: <45FEF5C9.2000808@deepfoo.com>

Sorry Devin, I did mean Devin not Dave in that last lengthy note. 
Definitely time to give it a rest.


From mark_powell at symantec.com  Mon Mar 19 16:53:27 2007
From: mark_powell at symantec.com (Mark Powell)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:53:27 -0700
Subject: Bkgnd process that returns immediately
References: <OF1F02A75E.BFCDA77B-ONC12572A3.00240822-C12572A3.00242D73@deutsche-boerse.com><E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C704071EFA@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
	<45FEEFEA.9080409@pdslabs.net>
Message-ID: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C704071FC7@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>

> Phil Davis wrote:
> One thing you might find helpful is the 'start' Help info. 

Yes, I have done that.  What it indicates is that /B is an optional
argument to start that starts an application without creating a new
window.  But what is not clear is, which of the two lines where 'start'
is used actually get the argument, and how is the full line supposed to
read.

>>   put "start /MAX C:\foo.html > C:\foo.txt" into MyCom	
>>   set the hideConsoleWindows to true	
>>   get  "start cmd /c"  && quote & MyCom & quote	
>>   get shell(it)

Some things I have tried for line 1 that do not work
put "start /B /MAX C:\foo.html > C:\foo.txt" into MyCom
put "start /MAX /B C:\foo.html > C:\foo.txt" into MyCom
put "start C:\foo.html  /MAX /B > C:\foo.txt" into MyCom	
put "start /b /MAX C:\foo.html > C:\foo.txt" into MyCom
put "start /MAX /b C:\foo.html > C:\foo.txt" into MyCom
put "start C:\foo.html  /MAX /b > C:\foo.txt" into MyCom	

and some attempts at line 3
get  "start cmd /c /b"  && quote & MyCom & quote
get  "start cmd /b /c"  && quote & MyCom & quote
get  "start cmd /c /B"  && quote & MyCom & quote
get  "start cmd /B /c"  && quote & MyCom & quote

As you can tell, I am aimlessly trying to pin a tail on the donkey.



From revcompgeek at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 17:08:45 2007
From: revcompgeek at gmail.com (Matt)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:08:45 -0600
Subject: Bluetooth
Message-ID: <1c7cf1a70703191408r25492a30o8d4867b87c3461a5@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know of the way that I could use BlueTooth to connect to my Palm
Pilot through Revolution? I am on a PowerBook G4 and would use the built in
Bluetooth. I know that i would have to use something like open socket, but I
don't know which socket to open.

The purposes of this is that I would like to have a program that would make
the computer act like an external keyboard.

-- 
Matthew Peterson
Programmer
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 17:10:28 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:10:28 +1000
Subject: OS X Standalone Icon Problems
In-Reply-To: <DEA02187-1865-4477-9CCE-BC79EB20AABB@mac.com>
References: <DEA02187-1865-4477-9CCE-BC79EB20AABB@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703191410l1a77e186y6ebf3dd7d12adef6@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/20/07, Charles Szasz <cszasz at mac.com> wrote:
> I have completed my standalones for windows and OS X. The icons that
> I used for windows in the standalone worked fine. I was able to
> assign my application icons  to use in dialogs for my OS X
> application but I have not had any success with OS X standalones. I
> cannot replace the generic application icon. Maybe it is wrong size
> of the OS X application icon. What is the icon size for OS X
> applications?
>
> I have tried opening the information for the application and deleting
> the icon but that has not worked. Any suggestions?


I find that trick to be unreliable. Try zipping & unzipping the
application or copying (not moving) the app to another folder. If the
icon is correcttly formatted but not displaying, that should fix it.

Cheers,
Sarah


From bryan at deepfoo.com  Mon Mar 19 17:50:32 2007
From: bryan at deepfoo.com (Bryan McCormick)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:50:32 -0400
Subject: Sending Web Queries to Excel
Message-ID: <45FF05A8.80706@deepfoo.com>

I have been looking at Ken Ray's scripts for exchanging data from a 
worksheet to and from RunRev and Excel.

I also see that Gary Rathbone had a tutorial on Web Queries and Excel 
but I cannot find that information anywhere on it (Gary site appears to 
be gone). Does anyone have any idea where this is?

I'd appreciate guidance on how to send the query in VB form to Excel. I 
can see how to get the data back once it is on a sheet, so that isn't an 
  issue.

The reason for needing to send the query in script form is that there is 
a requirement to do a large batch. I could do it all in Excel, but as it 
turns out munging the data is actually a lot easier once it is in RunRev.

Thanks so much.


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Mar 19 17:54:50 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:54:50 -0700
Subject: OS X Standalone Icon Problems
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703191410l1a77e186y6ebf3dd7d12adef6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DEA02187-1865-4477-9CCE-BC79EB20AABB@mac.com>
	<f99b52860703191410l1a77e186y6ebf3dd7d12adef6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E39AA02C-8E28-48BD-93D7-3744E2F456F2@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 19, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On 3/20/07, Charles Szasz <cszasz at mac.com> wrote:
>> I have completed my standalones for windows and OS X. The icons that
>> I used for windows in the standalone worked fine. I was able to
>> assign my application icons  to use in dialogs for my OS X
>> application but I have not had any success with OS X standalones. I
>> cannot replace the generic application icon. Maybe it is wrong size
>> of the OS X application icon. What is the icon size for OS X
>> applications?
>>
>> I have tried opening the information for the application and deleting
>> the icon but that has not worked. Any suggestions?
>
>
> I find that trick to be unreliable. Try zipping & unzipping the
> application or copying (not moving) the app to another folder. If the
> icon is correcttly formatted but not displaying, that should fix it.

The two techniques I use lately are:

1.  If you have PathFinder installed, you can touch the file and it  
will set the icon up for you.
2.  You can option drag the application and it will copy it with the  
icon in place on the copy.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 19 18:05:44 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:05:44 -0500
Subject: Bluetooth
In-Reply-To: <1c7cf1a70703191408r25492a30o8d4867b87c3461a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c7cf1a70703191408r25492a30o8d4867b87c3461a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070319170544675204.96cbaf69@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:08:45 -0600, Matt wrote:

> Does anyone know of the way that I could use BlueTooth to connect to my Palm
> Pilot through Revolution? I am on a PowerBook G4 and would use the built in
> Bluetooth. I know that i would have to use something like open socket, but I
> don't know which socket to open.
> 
> The purposes of this is that I would like to have a program that would make
> the computer act like an external keyboard.

Sorry, Matt... I don't know what port you need either. Shame you're on 
a Mac... there's a Windows program called TapSmart KeyLink for PCs that 
does exactly what you are asking for:

  http://www.mobilityware.com/KeyLink/KeyLinkProduct.htm

Rated 5 stars on PalmGear.com from the couple dozen people who reviewed 
it. Maybe this works through Parallels?


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Mon Mar 19 18:18:20 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:18:20 -0500
Subject: Stackrunner and Databases
Message-ID: <45FF0C2C.1090901@crcom.net>

Hello all!

I'm trying to do two things at once that may not be possible - at least 
I haven't figured out how yet.

I want to use stackRunner to load and run a stack from a URL.  This 
stack needs to access a PostreSQL database on the same server as the 
stack will come from.  The stack works fine in the IDE but when I try to 
run it from stackRunner with a URL, I get a database error (wrong 
database type).  My question is where do I need to put the database 
drivers?  Can I keep them on the same server as the stacks?  I want to 
have the minimum "footprint" on the client machines and using a shared 
or network drive is not a viable option.

Any ideas?

Len Morgan


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Mar 19 18:35:17 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:35:17 -0700
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

Hello all,

Im wearing my Paradigma hat here (hey, if you can to RevCon 2005 you could
have had one too!) but I also have my Runtime kilt handy.

It seems that, in the span of the last two years, Ubuntu has come out of
nowhere to achieve an unprecidented popularity. Paradigma is finalizing
V4REV Linux and well, Linux you know is something on the minds of folks at
Runtime too.

Of you running on Linux, how many are using Rev with Ubuntu? Knowing the
level of interest in Ubuntu usage would be helpful for both companies.

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com
 



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Mon Mar 19 18:46:40 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:46:40 -0700
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <E4D7818B-462A-423A-AF9B-E0A1B3A18AB9@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 19, 2007, at 3:35 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Im wearing my Paradigma hat here (hey, if you can to RevCon 2005  
> you could
> have had one too!) but I also have my Runtime kilt handy.
>
> It seems that, in the span of the last two years, Ubuntu has come  
> out of
> nowhere to achieve an unprecidented popularity. Paradigma is  
> finalizing
> V4REV Linux and well, Linux you know is something on the minds of  
> folks at
> Runtime too.
>
> Of you running on Linux, how many are using Rev with Ubuntu?  
> Knowing the
> level of interest in Ubuntu usage would be helpful for both companies.


I Ubuntu with my CANELA Software hat on all the time.  It is great fun!


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 19 18:48:58 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:48:58 -0500
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <20070319174858226063.5af669f5@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:35:17 -0700, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Im wearing my Paradigma hat here (hey, if you can to RevCon 2005 you could
> have had one too!) but I also have my Runtime kilt handy.
> 
> It seems that, in the span of the last two years, Ubuntu has come out of
> nowhere to achieve an unprecidented popularity. Paradigma is finalizing
> V4REV Linux and well, Linux you know is something on the minds of folks at
> Runtime too.
> 
> Of you running on Linux, how many are using Rev with Ubuntu? Knowing the
> level of interest in Ubuntu usage would be helpful for both companies.

I use it sporadically with Ubuntu and Kubuntu.... the only other distro 
I have loaded on a machine here is Red Hat, but I haven't used that in 
quite a long time...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From rishi at puredata.com.au  Mon Mar 19 19:00:07 2007
From: rishi at puredata.com.au (Rishi Viner)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:00:07 +1100
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <200703201000.07273.rishi@puredata.com.au>

Occasional use of Ubuntu and Kubuntu (you really need things to work with both 
Gnome and KDE desktops). Mainly SuSE with KDE as our standard environment 
here. Agree though, that Ubuntu is making lots of waves for all the right 
reasons. Cheers,

Rishi.

On Tuesday 20 March 2007 09:35, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Im wearing my Paradigma hat here (hey, if you can to RevCon 2005 you could
> have had one too!) but I also have my Runtime kilt handy.
>
> It seems that, in the span of the last two years, Ubuntu has come out of
> nowhere to achieve an unprecidented popularity. Paradigma is finalizing
> V4REV Linux and well, Linux you know is something on the minds of folks at
> Runtime too.
>
> Of you running on Linux, how many are using Rev with Ubuntu? Knowing the
> level of interest in Ubuntu usage would be helpful for both companies.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> Worldwide Business Operations
> Runtime Revolution Ltd
> http://www.runrev.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> subscription preferences:
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


From brentj84062 at gmail.com  Mon Mar 19 19:12:03 2007
From: brentj84062 at gmail.com (Brent Anderson)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:12:03 -0600
Subject: Do You Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <F0417ECE-8120-486C-8C9B-EAF88CC36A4B@gmail.com>

Hello.

I primarily use Mac, but my Linux distro of choice is Ubuntu. Last  
fall I researched all the major distros (Suse, Red Hat, FreeBSD) and  
it fell at the top (Although Red Hat did come close behind).

Thanks,
Brent Anderson
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 19 19:17:46 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:17:46 -0500
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <45FF1A1A.4040607@hyperactivesw.com>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Of you running on Linux, how many are using Rev with Ubuntu?

Me, as of yesterday. I'm not sure that counts yet, but it probably will 
eventually.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Mar 19 19:32:15 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:32:15 -0700
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <45FF1D7F.6070002@pdslabs.net>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Of you running on Linux, how many are using Rev with Ubuntu?

Me too, mostly out of curiosity more than need right now. I want to be ready 
with a Linux option when my clients start looking into it.

Phil Davis


From wjm at wjm.org  Mon Mar 19 19:46:35 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:46:35 -0400
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
References: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <etn7cr$mcr$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi Lynn,

> Of you running on Linux, how many are using Rev with Ubuntu? Knowing the
> level of interest in Ubuntu usage would be helpful for both companies.

I used to be pretty huge on Debian-based Linspire as the best Linux flavor 
for complete technophobes/newbies. Then I learned that Linspire just 
partnered with Ubuntu to share technologies. The Linspire operating system 
will transition to using Ubuntu as their baseline. Linspire will do their 
Click-And-Run thing for Ubuntu.

Ubuntu is clearly the flavor-of-the-month. 





From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Mon Mar 19 19:56:02 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:56:02 -0700
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <etn7cr$mcr$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
	<etn7cr$mcr$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <011401c76a82$26b8b380$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

> > Of you running on Linux, how many are using Rev with 
> Ubuntu? Knowing 
> > the level of interest in Ubuntu usage would be helpful for 
> both companies.
> 
> I used to be pretty huge on Debian-based Linspire as the best 
> Linux flavor for complete technophobes/newbies. Then I 
> learned that Linspire just partnered with Ubuntu to share 
> technologies. The Linspire operating system will transition 
> to using Ubuntu as their baseline. Linspire will do their 
> Click-And-Run thing for Ubuntu.
> 
> Ubuntu is clearly the flavor-of-the-month. 

Hmmm, sounds like I should give Linspire a call again :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com
 



From jerry at hytext.com  Mon Mar 19 22:27:52 2007
From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 20:27:52 -0600
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <45FF46A8.3080703@hytext.com>

Lynn Fredricks wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Im wearing my Paradigma hat here (hey, if you can to RevCon 2005 you could
> have had one too!) but I also have my Runtime kilt handy.
> 
> It seems that, in the span of the last two years, Ubuntu has come out of
> nowhere to achieve an unprecidented popularity. Paradigma is finalizing
> V4REV Linux and well, Linux you know is something on the minds of folks at
> Runtime too.
> 
> Of you running on Linux, how many are using Rev with Ubuntu? Knowing the
> level of interest in Ubuntu usage would be helpful for both companies.
> 

I'm on Ubuntu, laptop and bigbox, Gnome. Every time the system gets up 
on its hind legs and runs out to update various software components, all 
on its own, I get goosebumps.

---- Jerry


From alex at harryscollar.com  Mon Mar 19 21:28:09 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:28:09 +1000
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <etn7cr$mcr$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
	<etn7cr$mcr$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <45FF38A9.2000301@harryscollar.com>


Bill Marriott wrote:
> Ubuntu is clearly the flavor-of-the-month. 

As far as I can remember it has number one on the distrowatch.com list 
for a few years now :)

Out of the dozen or so distros I've installed over the years.. Xubuntu 
is my favourite and have had no problems.

Got a new rack unit to setup so I am keen to play around with RHEL 5 (or 
the centos version when ported) and investigate some of the new features 
they're touting.

regards
alex


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Mar 19 21:33:22 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 18:33:22 -0700
Subject: Bug with token chunk type?
Message-ID: <45FF39E2.8050200@fourthworld.com>

This:

    put token 1 of "s800"

...returns "s800", but this:

    put token 1 of "800s"

...returns "800".

bug?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Mar 19 21:41:25 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 01:41:25 +0000
Subject: Bug with token chunk type?
In-Reply-To: <45FF39E2.8050200@fourthworld.com>
References: <45FF39E2.8050200@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <5DEEE723-4CA3-42F2-8253-1D590206FEBC@maseurope.net>

And put token 1 of "s800s" returns "s800s"....

The docs say: 'Use the token keyword to parse a Revolution  
statement.' (I assume that means a transcript statement, in the old  
parlance).

So maybe these strings don't count as Revolution statements?

Best,

Mark



On 20 Mar 2007, at 01:33, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> This:
>
>    put token 1 of "s800"
>
> ...returns "s800", but this:
>
>    put token 1 of "800s"
>
> ...returns "800".
>
> bug?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From wjm at wjm.org  Mon Mar 19 23:03:52 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 23:03:52 -0400
Subject: Bug with token chunk type?
References: <45FF39E2.8050200@fourthworld.com>
	<5DEEE723-4CA3-42F2-8253-1D590206FEBC@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <etniuo$ml5$1@sea.gmane.org>

It appears that only the letters a,b,c,d,e,f, and x operate the way you are 
expecting.

on mouseUp
    repeat for each char x in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
    put "111" & x into wholeThing
    put ">" & token 1 of wholeThing & "<" & return after fld 1
    end repeat
end mouseUp


>>    put token 1 of "s800"
>> ...returns "s800", but this:
>>
>>    put token 1 of "800s"
>> ...returns "800".
>>
>> bug?





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 19 23:48:25 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:48:25 -0500
Subject: Bug with token chunk type?
In-Reply-To: <etniuo$ml5$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <45FF39E2.8050200@fourthworld.com>	<5DEEE723-4CA3-42F2-8253-1D590206FEBC@maseurope.net>
	<etniuo$ml5$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <45FF5989.30804@hyperactivesw.com>

Bill Marriott wrote:
> It appears that only the letters a,b,c,d,e,f, and x operate the way you are 
> expecting.
> 
> on mouseUp
>     repeat for each char x in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
>     put "111" & x into wholeThing
>     put ">" & token 1 of wholeThing & "<" & return after fld 1
>     end repeat
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
>>>    put token 1 of "s800"
>>> ...returns "s800", but this:
>>>
>>>    put token 1 of "800s"
>>> ...returns "800".

So it's hex. Not sure where the "x" fits in though.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From wjm at wjm.org  Tue Mar 20 00:04:03 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 00:04:03 -0400
Subject: Bug with token chunk type?
References: <45FF39E2.8050200@fourthworld.com>	<5DEEE723-4CA3-42F2-8253-1D590206FEBC@maseurope.net><etniuo$ml5$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<45FF5989.30804@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <etnmfj$unt$1@sea.gmane.org>

Jacqueline,

> So it's hex. Not sure where the "x" fits in though.

Ah, brilliant. The "x" is also used in Hex notation. For example, see the 
Windows CSIDL values at

http://tinyurl.com/7hei





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 20 01:47:29 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:47:29 -0700
Subject: Bug with token chunk type?
Message-ID: <45FF7571.2050702@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Bill Marriott wrote:
>> It appears that only the letters a,b,c,d,e,f, and x operate the way you are 
>> expecting.
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>     repeat for each char x in "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz"
>>     put "111" & x into wholeThing
>>     put ">" & token 1 of wholeThing & "<" & return after fld 1
>>     end repeat
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>>>    put token 1 of "s800"
>>>> ...returns "s800", but this:
>>>>
>>>>    put token 1 of "800s"
>>>> ...returns "800".
> 
> So it's hex. Not sure where the "x" fits in though.

If it's hex, then the number really isn't a separate part of the string. 
  So I can see why those are treated differently, but I don't believe 
they're treated correctly.

Why should "s" be parsed as a separate "token" from the numeric portion 
  if it trails or is anywhere in the middle, but only if it's at the 
beginning then it's considered a part of the alphanumeric string? :\

Unless someone can come up with a good reason why this is what one 
should expect I'll log it as a bug tomorrow.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Mar 20 02:54:32 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:54:32 -0800
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <205031134.20070319225432@ahsoftware.net>

Lynn-

I've got a Kubuntu box at home and we're changing our red hat machines
at work over to Kubuntu as well.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Tue Mar 20 02:59:26 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:59:26 -0800
Subject: Did you notice a change in the forums?
In-Reply-To: <3BADCEB0-7732-40FB-BF99-410AEA7ED567@byu.edu>
References: <010101c76988$d4e3b4f0$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
	<5374424B-D7D0-4323-A36E-6461CDEF2CEE@major-k.de>
	<3BADCEB0-7732-40FB-BF99-410AEA7ED567@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <1275324816.20070319225926@ahsoftware.net>

Devin-

Monday, March 19, 2007, 8:41:09 AM, you wrote:

> I think he means that you no longer have to log in to read the forums
> (fora?). Only to post.

...and it took how many months of us (well, me at any rate) carping
about why this should be done?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Tue Mar 20 03:16:46 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:16:46 +0200 (FLE Standard Time)
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
References: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <45FF8A5D.000001.01320@MAZYTIS>

Hi Lynn, 
 
I do use Ubuntu for testing my apps for Linux and for other works
occasionally. Few years earlier used Red Hat, Fedora Core 3, Scientific
Linux (based on Red Hat) but Ubuntu now is my favorite. 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Lynn Fredricks 
Date: 20/03/2007 00:34:35 
To: 'How to use Revolution' 
Cc: guy.jones at runrev.com 
Subject: Do you Ubuntu? 
 
Hello all, 
 
Im wearing my Paradigma hat here (hey, if you can to RevCon 2005 you could 
have had one too!) but I also have my Runtime kilt handy. 
 
It seems that, in the span of the last two years, Ubuntu has come out of 
nowhere to achieve an unprecidented popularity. Paradigma is finalizing 
V4REV Linux and well, Linux you know is something on the minds of folks at 
Runtime too. 
 
Of you running on Linux, how many are using Rev with Ubuntu? Knowing the 
level of interest in Ubuntu usage would be helpful for both companies. 
 
Best regards, 
 
Lynn Fredricks 
Worldwide Business Operations 
Runtime Revolution Ltd 
http://www.runrev.com 
 
 
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Mar 20 03:25:12 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:25:12 +0000
Subject: Bug with token chunk type?
In-Reply-To: <45FF7571.2050702@fourthworld.com>
References: <45FF7571.2050702@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <25F331F7-29FD-489C-8D41-7C3A1E095742@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 20 Mar 2007, at 05:47, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> Why should "s" be parsed as a separate "token" from the numeric  
> portion  if it trails or is anywhere in the middle, but only if  
> it's at the beginning then it's considered a part of the  
> alphanumeric string? :\
>
> Unless someone can come up with a good reason why this is what one  
> should expect I'll log it as a bug tomorrow.

Does there need to be a good reason? From the docs, "The token chunk  
is jmplemented for the Transcript language, and probably isn't  
suitable for use in a general-purpose language parser."

I've always taken this to mean that "token" is the engine's private  
property, and we have no basis for questionning how it works. We can  
guess, but we can also expect to be surprised.

Cheers
Dave


From signe.sanne at roman.uib.no  Tue Mar 20 03:41:56 2007
From: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:41:56 +0100
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
In-Reply-To: <etenh5$dbs$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no><20070315093229210738.97581cbd@sonsothunder.com><64152350-88BA-47B6-A7C3-5A53A6FC84F7@byu.edu><1174029917.45fa465dab9e2@webmail.uib.no>
	<c1c5836b0703160854q97ef3ddl3f9d0bc5845e83e7@mail.gmail.com>
	<etenh5$dbs$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <3F5FE046-A7B0-4A96-8AB9-AD0C29AA9CE8@roman.uib.no>

Many thanks to Bill, David and Devin for your comments.
Since there seems to be no willingness (or resources) from our  
faculty to engage a new person to replace me, I'll stick to Bill's  
advice and update the programs to 2.8.
I do this because I think the contents of many of the programs may  
still be valid for a decade. for instance phonetical transcription of  
English, the terminology used in analysis of poems, grammatical  
exercises (even if the grammar terminology as such tends to change  
more often than I like) etc.

The programs have been developed for the study of English, French,  
Italian, Spanish, German, Boruca, Norwegian as a second language. In  
some of the programs, however, there are descriptions, translations  
of sentences in Norwegian, so they can be only used by Norwegians.

The most eager ones to make use of the programs have been the  
distance learning students, they are mostly more mature people than  
our regular students.

I'll probably be back with questions concerning the upgrading. Thank  
you again.

Signe Marie Sanne

Den 16. mar. 2007 kl. 19:26 skrev Bill Marriott:

>
> I think for all practical purposes the answer to the original  
> poster is:
> Find a Vista machine and try your stuff out. If for some reason it  
> doesn't
> work, try re-building the standalone with Rev 2.8. It will  
> undoubtedly work
> great and continue to do so for the forseeable future.
>
> I'f I'm somehow misunderstanding you, please help clarify.
>
> - Bill
>
>
>
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Tue Mar 20 03:44:24 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:44:24 +0000
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <200703200744.24298.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

No, I use Debian  (and Mandriva 2006 on end user machines, though come upgrade 
time I'll probably move them to PCLinux).

Tried Ubuntu without being impressed.  But it depends what you are looking 
for - Ubuntu gives you the end user commercial OS experience - take it out of 
the box and they have given you wnat they know is good for you.  

Since that is exactly what I can't stand about OSX and  XP, I prefer to roll 
my own....

Peter


From signe.sanne at roman.uib.no  Tue Mar 20 04:29:01 2007
From: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:29:01 +0100
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
In-Reply-To: <201BE2A8-36E0-4674-B088-A99468923C1A@byu.edu>
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no>
	<201BE2A8-36E0-4674-B088-A99468923C1A@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <F067B83F-3E1D-4A02-8D75-C81479476E1C@roman.uib.no>

Devin,
Since there seems to be scarce interest on behalf of our faculty to  
support the programs I have developed through 20 years, perhaps I  
should give them away free, at least to Revolution's educational  
community. All the time I have worked firmly convinced that they may  
prove most useful for the learning. This has been confirmed by some  
of the students, but most part of them seem not to have worked with  
them. However, in recent years I have no idea about how much  they  
have worked with the programs, since the link to downloading the  
portal stack is available in their students' network (or whatever it  
is called) and they probably work with them at home.

I still think the way they are distributed is fabulous, just one  
downloading of the portal stack (which I call the menu stack). If you  
want to have a look at the Italian programs, here is the link: http:// 
www.hf.uib.no/mlab/ItaMP/mcIta.html. User: studita  Password: itafj

As to a repository, isn't that what Marielle is trying to do  
something about?

Signe Marie

Den 16. mar. 2007 kl. 21:38 skrev Devin Asay:

> On Mar 15, 2007, at 4:23 AM, Signe Marie Sanne wrote:
>> So far I have used MetaCard and engine 2.6.6. The programs make  
>> use of a portal stack (thanks to Sivakatirswami) which downloads/ 
>> opens the various educational programs. This downloading is done  
>> by http.
>
> Signe,
>
> I'd be interested in hearing more about this. I'm developing a  
> similar approach with Rev, which I'm calling the Learning Web. You  
> can take a look at it by downloading the beta version at
>
> Mac OS X: http://asay.byu.edu/LW_MacOSX.dmg
> Windows: http://asay.byu.edu/LW_setup.exe
>
> A couple of people on the list have allowed me to link to stacks  
> they've created as a demonstration of the concept. There are also  
> links to a couple of stacks I've created and one that one of my  
> students did.
>
> We ought to explore the creation of a repository of web-based  
> instructional stacks that could be run in this way.
>
> Tell me what you think.
>
> Devin
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From psahores at free.fr  Tue Mar 20 05:09:09 2007
From: psahores at free.fr (Pierre Sahores)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:09:09 +0100
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <39E1F221-7175-472A-9131-D01E3FBCFF4C@free.fr>

Hi Lynn,

Ubuntu is probably one of the best Debian distributions avalaibles  
for the rest of us ! I used Suse 5 to 10 for years but Ubuntu is yet  
my favorite Linux platform.

I had to setup a Rev client (Windows+MacOSX) able to connect OSX/ 
Linux/Solaris+Apache+PHP+Rev app server+Oracle 9i/10g server  
solutions some months ago. Ubuntu 6.10 + Rev 2.2.1 were used  
successfully to provide the linux way of the build.

As long as Rev is not needed as a front-end app on the Linux x86,  
Solaris x86 or Solaris SPARC (Rev 2.1.2 only available for SPARC)  
platforms, all works, with some workarounds, as expected...

Perhaps would it be helpfull to have the Linux and Solaris rev  
engines updated to recent Rev issues...

Best Regards,


Le 19 mars 07 ? 23:35, Lynn Fredricks a ?crit :

> Hello all,
>
> Im wearing my Paradigma hat here (hey, if you can to RevCon 2005  
> you could
> have had one too!) but I also have my Runtime kilt handy.
>
> It seems that, in the span of the last two years, Ubuntu has come  
> out of
> nowhere to achieve an unprecidented popularity. Paradigma is  
> finalizing
> V4REV Linux and well, Linux you know is something on the minds of  
> folks at
> Runtime too.
>
> Of you running on Linux, how many are using Rev with Ubuntu?  
> Knowing the
> level of interest in Ubuntu usage would be helpful for both companies.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> Worldwide Business Operations
> Runtime Revolution Ltd
> http://www.runrev.com
>
>
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From P.Jimmieson at csc.liv.ac.uk  Tue Mar 20 05:23:36 2007
From: P.Jimmieson at csc.liv.ac.uk (Phil Jimmieson)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:23:36 +0000
Subject: Bug with token chunk type?
In-Reply-To: <45FF39E2.8050200@fourthworld.com>
References: <45FF39E2.8050200@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <a06240800c22557b085e4@[10.50.4.4]>

>This:
>
>    put token 1 of "s800"
>
>...returns "s800", but this:
>
>    put token 1 of "800s"
>
>...returns "800".
>
>bug?

Hi Richard,
Variables or commands/function names have to start with a letter, 
though they can contain numbers. Numbers can't contain letters 
(except for the hex variety). Parsing the string "s800" gives a valid 
variable/command/function name. Parsing "800s" gives a valid number, 
with an "s" left over.
Does that sound like a reasonable explanation for the behaviour?

-- 
Phil Jimmieson  phil at csc.liv.ac.uk  (UK) 0151 795 4236  (Mobile) 07976 983164
Computer Science Dept., Liverpool University, Ashton Building, Ashton Street
Liverpool L69 3BX              http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/~phil/
   I used to sit on a special medical board... ...but now I use this ointment.


From bryan at deepfoo.com  Tue Mar 20 06:12:55 2007
From: bryan at deepfoo.com (Bryan McCormick)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 06:12:55 -0400
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
Message-ID: <45FFB3A7.5050809@deepfoo.com>

Jim, Dave, Devin

Thanks for your help in making me think harder about this. I literally 
woke up out of a dream this morning and knew right away what was wrong 
with the script. There was one error that would have persistently been a 
problem that I have fixed now.

In the interests of anyone else who encounters a similar horrible string 
task, the solution is provided below.

One more thing. You all get credit for making me think harder about what 
else was in the files that might have been a random char throwing things 
off.

Now, I did go and change the script to make it simpler. I realized I 
only needed to find the hyphen at the start of the date and simply 
advance forward past the next hyphen in the date string. Since we were 
dealing with fixed length records forward from the first hyphen (three 
char month, hyphen, two char year) this was the simplest way.

Genius? I thought so.

As luck would happen I had hit upon the few records that were problem 
children right off the bat.

It turned out that a few of the records had the word "in-line" with a 
hyphen which threw off the whole thing. So there is a separate script 
when the file is read in that checks now for nulls, odd-ball ascii 
codes, and our friend "in-line". I was lucky in this case that the 
records were so simple. The alternative would have been to keep the 
"-Jan-...-Dec-" chunks and walk through the file 12 times. No big deal I 
suppose and it could always be done that way if one had different chunks 
to search for.

Anyway, here is the finished script with comments. I hope it helps 
others who might have similar issues. I have over 5000 of these files to 
do which will now take about ten minutes versus the agony (and days) I'd 
have had to endure if there had been no community here to draw upon for 
help and if rev was not so darn handy.

By the way the script that adds the return character also puts in a 
comma in the right place after the date so that I have another delimiter 
to work with and the record in the end is comma delimited with a return 
character as the record marker. Much better than the ugly long single 
string I started out with.

Thanks All.

------------------------------------------


on mouseUp
   put fld 1 into textBlock
   put makeOffsets("-",textBlock,1) into varOffsets
   sort lines of varOffsets numeric descending
   -- this is the only way it works as otherwise the char count gets thrown
   -- off. essentially we are working up from the end of the string forward
   repeat for each line varRecord in varOffsets
     put char varRecord-2 to varRecord-1 of textBlock into eval
     if char 1 of eval is a number and char 2 of eval is a number  then
       put comma after char varRecord+6 of textBlock
       put cr  before char varRecord-2 of textBlock
     else
       if char 1 of eval is  not a  number and char 2 of eval is a 
number   then
         put comma after char varRecord+6 of textBlock
         put cr before char varRecord-1 of textBlock
       end if
     end if
   end repeat
   put textBlock into fld 1
end mouseUp

function makeOffsets varChunk,textBlock,posStart
   if posStart = empty then
     put 1 into pos
   else
     put posStart into pos
   end if
   repeat until varOffset = 0
     put offset(varChunk, textBlock, pos) into varOffset
     if varOffset <>0 then
       put varOffset+pos&return after newText
       -- this was what was mucked-up in the original script
       -- have to add the prior pos to the new one since we
       -- are using the "skip chars" option and need to add
       -- add the prior position to the new relative pos
       add varOffset+length(varChunk)+6 to pos
       -- i could get away with adding a fixed number in this
       -- case since the date was never going to be shorter than
       -- six chars + the found offset + chunk, ("-") in this case
     else
       exit repeat
     end if
   end repeat
   return newText
end makeOffsets


From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 06:18:58 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:18:58 +0000
Subject: Bug with token chunk type?
In-Reply-To: <etnmfj$unt$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <45FF39E2.8050200@fourthworld.com>	<5DEEE723-4CA3-42F2-8253-1D590206FEBC@maseurope.net><etniuo$ml5$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<45FF5989.30804@hyperactivesw.com> <etnmfj$unt$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <A1C1B32C-3F4E-42D7-8606-CFE4F24C076A@looktowindward.com>


On 20 Mar 2007, at 04:04, Bill Marriott wrote:

> Jacqueline,
>
>> So it's hex. Not sure where the "x" fits in though.
>
> Ah, brilliant. The "x" is also used in Hex notation. For example,  
> see the
> Windows CSIDL values at
>
> http://tinyurl.com/7hei

Well, it's used in "C" to denote a hex value as in:

0xA13C

But it's the "0x" that is valid, not just the "x", e.g. xA13C will  
refer to a variable called xA13C not a hex number. But why is "x"  
recognized at all?

All the Best
Dave



From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 06:20:00 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:20:00 +0000
Subject: Bug with token chunk type?
In-Reply-To: <a06240800c22557b085e4@[10.50.4.4]>
References: <45FF39E2.8050200@fourthworld.com>
	<a06240800c22557b085e4@[10.50.4.4]>
Message-ID: <A56A634B-91EE-4900-BA22-87C0C15BEF93@looktowindward.com>


On 20 Mar 2007, at 09:23, Phil Jimmieson wrote:

>> This:
>>
>>    put token 1 of "s800"
>>
>> ...returns "s800", but this:
>>
>>    put token 1 of "800s"
>>
>> ...returns "800".
>>
>> bug?
>
> Hi Richard,
> Variables or commands/function names have to start with a letter,  
> though they can contain numbers. Numbers can't contain letters  
> (except for the hex variety). Parsing the string "s800" gives a  
> valid variable/command/function name. Parsing "800s" gives a valid  
> number, with an "s" left over.
> Does that sound like a reasonable explanation for the behaviour?

That's what I was going to say!

All the Best
Dave




From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 07:28:59 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:28:59 +0000
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
Message-ID: <C1AD531B-9FB9-44A9-B304-3333D6E63C91@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Anyone got any idea while the following code doesn't work?

     put the windowID of this stack into myWindowID
     put globalLoc(the topLeft of group "GroupCounter") into myFrameRect
     put "," and globalLoc(the bottomRight of group "GroupCounter")  
after myFrameRect
     export snapshot from rect myFrameRect of window myWindowID to  
file myFileName as PNG

When I run it I get an error:

"export no image selected or image not open"

Thanks in advance
All the Best
Dave



From bryan at deepfoo.com  Tue Mar 20 07:51:38 2007
From: bryan at deepfoo.com (Bryan McCormick)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:51:38 -0400
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
Message-ID: <45FFCACA.5010002@deepfoo.com>

Dave,

Oddly the code only worked when I removed the "of window myWindowID" 
reference. Then it was fine. Otherwise I got the same error that you 
did. I am not sure if this is a bug or if export won't take a window id 
param for some reason.


From wjm at wjm.org  Tue Mar 20 07:58:29 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:58:29 -0400
Subject: Duration of non supported applications
References: <AA2032DC-E5CE-41BF-9DCF-E33138B26C31@roman.uib.no><201BE2A8-36E0-4674-B088-A99468923C1A@byu.edu>
	<F067B83F-3E1D-4A02-8D75-C81479476E1C@roman.uib.no>
Message-ID: <etoi95$676$1@sea.gmane.org>

Nice work, Signe!

> I still think the way they are distributed is fabulous, just one 
> downloading of the portal stack (which I call the menu stack). If you 
> want to have a look at the Italian programs, here is the link: http:// 
> www.hf.uib.no/mlab/ItaMP/mcIta.html.

- Bill 





From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 07:59:28 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:59:28 +0000
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
In-Reply-To: <45FFCACA.5010002@deepfoo.com>
References: <45FFCACA.5010002@deepfoo.com>
Message-ID: <9406AB39-1C26-47A9-9B3D-CCDA2187F905@looktowindward.com>

Hi,


On 20 Mar 2007, at 11:51, Bryan McCormick wrote:
> Dave,
>
> Oddly the code only worked when I removed the "of window  
> myWindowID" reference. Then it was fine. Otherwise I got the same  
> error that you did. I am not sure if this is a bug or if export  
> won't take a window id param for some reason.


I was just going by the documentation (copied below). Interestingly  
syntax line(at the top) has changed since Version 2.6.6.152, but it's  
still mentioned later on:

If you specify a windowID, the rectangle's coordinates are relative  
to the top left corner of the window you specify. However, if the  
window is partly overlapped by another window, whatever is visible on  
the screen within that rectangle is placed in the snapshot. In other  
words, you cannot take a snapshot of a part of a window that is  
hidden by another overlapping window.

This now begs another question, if it doesn't work with a Window ID  
now, how can I get the coordinates of an object I want to export.  
Also does it still grab a part of the screen? IOW, if the user covers  
this window with another window will it still output the window  
contents or will it output whatever happens to be at the location  
specified?

All the Best
Dave



export snapshot

Type: command

Syntax:
export snapshot [from rect[angle] rectangle] [of object] to {file  
filePath |container} [as format] [with mask maskFile]

See Also: export command, import snapshot command, rectangle  
property, screenRect function, windowID property

Introduced: 2.1

Changed: 2.1

Platform Support:

Summary:
Creates a picture file from a portion of the screen.

Examples:
export snapshot to file "Test.ppm"
export snapshot from rect "0,0,200,200" to file "Nav.jpg" as JPEG
export snapshot to pictVariable as GIF


Use the export snapshot command to export a screenshot to a file or  
container.

Parameters:
The rectangle specifies the edges of the rectangle to be imported,  
separated by commas, in the same order as the rectangle property  
(left, top, right, bottom).

   Important!  If a window, stack or object is specified, the  
rectangle is given in relative (window) coordinates; otherwise, it is  
given in absolute coordinates.

The filePath specifies the name and location of the file you want to  
export to. If you specify a name but not a location, the file is  
created in the defaultFolder.
The container is a reference to a container, usually an image or a URL.
The format is one of the following: paint, JPEG, GIF, or PNG.
The maskFile specifies the name and location of a file to export as  
an image mask. You can use a maskFile only when exporting in PBM  
format (paint).

To export a snapshot for a portion of a stack you use the form:
export snapshot from rect[angle]  of window windowId to ...
Where windowId is the windowId property of the required stack.
To export a snapshot of a specific (non-stack) object, use the form:
export snapshot from [rect[angle] ] of chunk to ...
Where chunk is any chunk expression resolving to a control, or any  
expression evaluating to a control reference.

Comments:
If you use the form export format to..., the selected image is exported.
The export snapshot...as paint form exports the image as a PBM, PGM,  
or PPM file, depending on the screen depth. (Optionally, you can  
specify a location for the mask file.) The export snapshot...as JPEG  
form exports as a JPEG file, and the export snapshot...as PNG form  
exports as a PNG file. If you don't specify a format, the file is  
exported as PBM, PGM, or PPM.

   Tip:  If the image has an alpha channel, the export snapshot...as  
PNG form creates a 32-bit PNG file.
If taking a snapshot of an object, the rectangle's coordinates are  
relative to the top left corner of the card containing the object.  
The object is rendered into an image as if no other objects existed  
around it, the snapshot is taken without applying the object's  
blendlevel or ink. You can take a snapshot of an object regardless of  
its visibility or open status - in particular, snapshots can be taken  
of objects that are not on the current card or in stacks that are not  
open.

If you don't specify a rectangle, Revolution displays a crosshairs  
cursor. Click at one corner of the rectangle to be imported and drag  
to the opposite corner to select the area.

If you specify a windowID, the rectangle's coordinates are relative  
to the top left corner of the window you specify. However, if the  
window is partly overlapped by another window, whatever is visible on  
the screen within that rectangle is placed in the snapshot. In other  
words, you cannot take a snapshot of a part of a window that is  
hidden by another overlapping window.











From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 08:04:14 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:04:14 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <1552BACA-CB89-4E38-A969-2448CE94027D@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <45FEA4B5.1030407@fourthworld.com>
	<1552BACA-CB89-4E38-A969-2448CE94027D@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <621D4AD4-1C72-4D12-967F-BD017F5A82F6@looktowindward.com>

Yet more information, I tried running it under 2.6.6.152 (using the  
older screen rectangle command syntax) and I got it to export 2000  
image files. It ran a *lot* slower but it didn't leak memory, so the  
problem must have been introduced in version 2.7.x.

I can't see that this could have been tested past a cursory glance  
before releasing it.

All the Best
Dave

Hi,

Some more information:

I built a standalone, this writes 288 files but I don't get the error  
dialog and it doesn't complete correctly, e.g. I don't get the  
"Done!" dialog at the end.

Looking at the System Activity Monitor it only grabs around 35 MB of  
real memory 377 MB of virtual - it doesn't allocate the Gigabytes as  
it does while running under the IDE.

Anyone got *any* ideas how to work around this? I am working on a  
demo and need this to work ASAP, otherwise I may as well just stop  
work on it now.

All the Best
Dave

On 19 Mar 2007, at 15:14, Ian Wood wrote:

>
> On 19 Mar 2007, at 14:56, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Is that physical memory or virtual? On OS X I've seen seemingly  
>> small apps take up a surprising amount of virtual memory, but  
>> operate in a much smaller physical space.
>>
>> Although FWIW I've not seen my Rev usage climb that high while  
>> running these tests.  Are there plugins or other stacks running  
>> which may play a role here
>
> When I tried it, Rev was grabbing 3.5GB of physical RAM (out of  
> 4GB), and quite a bit of virtual RAM as well.
>
> Ian

Yes, I've just verified it again, it takes 1.8 GB and never gives it  
back. If I put the counter field back, it stops at file 289 with a  
write error, if I don't have the counter (or if the counter is pushed  
behind the rectangle (which is filled with "red")) then it writes a  
lot more files before it hangs. Did you try this on Windows or just  
on the Mac?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

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From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 08:10:46 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:10:46 +0000
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
In-Reply-To: <45FFCACA.5010002@deepfoo.com>
References: <45FFCACA.5010002@deepfoo.com>
Message-ID: <98428322-D8A0-46A9-B09C-9A84384F995D@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

What syntax did you use? Using the following:

     export snapshot from rect myFrameRect to file myFileName as PNG

I get the same error message.

All the Best
Dave


On 20 Mar 2007, at 11:51, Bryan McCormick wrote:

> Dave,
>
> Oddly the code only worked when I removed the "of window  
> myWindowID" reference. Then it was fine. Otherwise I got the same  
> error that you did. I am not sure if this is a bug or if export  
> won't take a window id param for some reason.
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From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Mar 20 08:12:04 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:12:04 +0000
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
In-Reply-To: <C1AD531B-9FB9-44A9-B304-3333D6E63C91@looktowindward.com>
References: <C1AD531B-9FB9-44A9-B304-3333D6E63C91@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <0907B72F-C7AC-45BE-A0AE-44E66191EC17@maseurope.net>

Shouldn't you be using relative points for the rect?


 From the docs (2.8) :If a window, stack or object is specified, the  
rectangle is given in relative (window) coordinates; otherwise, it is  
given in absolute coordinates.

So:

put the windowID of this stack into tWindowID
put the rect of grp "GroupCounter" into tFrameRect
export snapshot from rect tFrameRect of window tWindowID to file  
tFileName as PNG

Best,

Mark

On 20 Mar 2007, at 11:28, Dave wrote:

>
>     put the windowID of this stack into myWindowID
>     put globalLoc(the topLeft of group "GroupCounter") into  
> myFrameRect
>     put "," and globalLoc(the bottomRight of group "GroupCounter")  
> after myFrameRect
>     export snapshot from rect myFrameRect of window myWindowID to  
> file myFileName as PNG



From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 08:37:31 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:37:31 +0000
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
In-Reply-To: <0907B72F-C7AC-45BE-A0AE-44E66191EC17@maseurope.net>
References: <C1AD531B-9FB9-44A9-B304-3333D6E63C91@looktowindward.com>
	<0907B72F-C7AC-45BE-A0AE-44E66191EC17@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <9E9AAE9D-8631-4A23-92E9-E1A968512D92@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Thanks Mark.

Ok I tried that (without the globalLoc call) and it worked, but it  
still leaked memory big time, I guess that in that form, it is  
basically the same as just exporting the group object and therefore  
hits the bug. I was trying to use the older form and hoping that it  
doesn't leak memory, at least that way I'd be able to put together  
something together for my demo.

Ok, I used the older form, to do that you DO NOT specify the Window  
ID, if you specify the Window ID then it assume you want the New  
Object based version of the command.

However if I use the older form:

> put the rect of grp "GroupCounter" into tFrameRect
> export snapshot from rect tFrameRect to file tFileName as PNG

Then the rectangle dumped is not the object "GroupCounter" but some  
other part of the window. If I do this:

put globalLoc(the topLeft of group "GroupCounter") into myFrameRect
put "," and globalLoc(the bottomRight of group "GroupCounter") after  
myFrameRect
export snapshot from rect myFrameRect to file myFileName as PNG

Then I get the "no image" error!

 From my earlier test that dumped the wrong rectangle contents, I  
managed to get it to spit out 1000 frames, it still leaked memory but  
not as much memory!!!! Jeez, it's weird when you start feeling good  
because something bad is not as bad as something else!

All the Best
Dave

On 20 Mar 2007, at 12:12, Mark Smith wrote:

> Shouldn't you be using relative points for the rect?
>
>
> From the docs (2.8) :If a window, stack or object is specified, the  
> rectangle is given in relative (window) coordinates; otherwise, it  
> is given in absolute coordinates.
>
> So:
>
> put the windowID of this stack into tWindowID
> put the rect of grp "GroupCounter" into tFrameRect
> export snapshot from rect tFrameRect of window tWindowID to file  
> tFileName as PNG
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> On 20 Mar 2007, at 11:28, Dave wrote:
>
>>
>>     put the windowID of this stack into myWindowID
>>     put globalLoc(the topLeft of group "GroupCounter") into  
>> myFrameRect
>>     put "," and globalLoc(the bottomRight of group "GroupCounter")  
>> after myFrameRect
>>     export snapshot from rect myFrameRect of window myWindowID to  
>> file myFileName as PNG
>
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From martinblackman at gmail.com  Tue Mar 20 08:41:57 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:41:57 +0900
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
In-Reply-To: <0907B72F-C7AC-45BE-A0AE-44E66191EC17@maseurope.net>
References: <C1AD531B-9FB9-44A9-B304-3333D6E63C91@looktowindward.com>
	<0907B72F-C7AC-45BE-A0AE-44E66191EC17@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70703200541u128471bdj2f49f5a52e735f4@mail.gmail.com>

Dave
Take a look at recent posts titled 'Printing and previewing' where I
mentioned same problem and my work around

regds
Martin Blackman


From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 09:08:49 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:08:49 +0000
Subject: Printing and previewing
In-Reply-To: <A9B847BC-194A-4569-94CC-FFDBC2E42E0B@major-k.de>
References: <1CC957D5-62E5-4EFE-B34E-DA40A735EA81@mac.com>
	<7aa52a210703041557k5011b0e6r1c9a5690d95f0df0@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150232q26a55ff4x55383b187bb71015@mail.gmail.com>
	<7aa52a210703150236q5330ab8fi25c57e147e73eb35@mail.gmail.com>
	<79d1bee70703150431i313289abq780d52b49039e88b@mail.gmail.com>
	<E7E00E4E-B44D-475F-8BC5-B421E742E538@major-k.de>
	<79d1bee70703150636m3eec96aew4bda8e8a0896435d@mail.gmail.com>
	<A9B847BC-194A-4569-94CC-FFDBC2E42E0B@major-k.de>
Message-ID: <34885037-A809-4470-931C-47DAE8BF7C4E@looktowindward.com>


On 15 Mar 2007, at 14:23, Klaus Major wrote:
> i created 2 teststacks, modified your script a little bit for these  
> stacks and ended
> with a nice, correct yet invisible screenshot of the "printstack"s  
> content!
>
> on mouseUp
>   put the loc of stack "printstack" into altloc
>   set the left of stack "printstack" to 2500  --off screen
>   put the windowid of stack "PrintStack" into tWinID
>   put "0,0,"& the width of stack "printstack" & comma & the height  
> of stack "printstack" into trect
>   set the rect of the templateimage to trect
>   create invisible image imgname
>   export snapshot from rect trect of window tWinID to pictvar as JPEG
>   put pictvar into image imgname of this stack
>   SHOW img imgname of this stack
>   ## optional, but looks better ;-)
>   set the loc of stack "printstack" to altloc
> end mouseUp
>
> Did I miss something?

Do you experience memory leaks when you are running this?

All the Best
Dave




From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 09:14:04 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:14:04 +0000
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70703200541u128471bdj2f49f5a52e735f4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C1AD531B-9FB9-44A9-B304-3333D6E63C91@looktowindward.com>
	<0907B72F-C7AC-45BE-A0AE-44E66191EC17@maseurope.net>
	<79d1bee70703200541u128471bdj2f49f5a52e735f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DBA506E7-EE7A-40AD-A222-243D953347A8@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I don't have access to all of those posts as I'm working away at the  
moment. I have two main problems:

1.  The export snapshot command leaks memory like it's going out of  
fashion.

2.  The export snapshot when used in the context of a rectangle still  
leaks memory but not as badly as the other form, however I can't seem  
to get the correct rectangle coordinates for the portion of the  
window I want to dump.

 From looking at the posts you mention (the ones I can access), I  
found the following:

> on mouseUp
>   put the loc of stack "printstack" into altloc
>   set the left of stack "printstack" to 2500  --off screen
>   put the windowid of stack "PrintStack" into tWinID
>   put "0,0,"& the width of stack "printstack" & comma & the height  
> of stack "printstack" into trect
>   set the rect of the templateimage to trect
>   create invisible image imgname
>   export snapshot from rect trect of window tWinID to pictvar as JPEG
>   put pictvar into image imgname of this stack
>   SHOW img imgname of this stack
>   ## optional, but looks better ;-)
>   set the loc of stack "printstack" to altloc
> end mouseUp

Is this the code you mean? From looking at it, I assume that it too  
will leak memory?

All the Best
Dave

On 20 Mar 2007, at 12:41, Martin Blackman wrote:

> Dave
> Take a look at recent posts titled 'Printing and previewing' where I
> mentioned same problem and my work around
>
> regds
> Martin Blackman
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From martinblackman at gmail.com  Tue Mar 20 09:43:04 2007
From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:43:04 +0900
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
In-Reply-To: <DBA506E7-EE7A-40AD-A222-243D953347A8@looktowindward.com>
References: <C1AD531B-9FB9-44A9-B304-3333D6E63C91@looktowindward.com>
	<0907B72F-C7AC-45BE-A0AE-44E66191EC17@maseurope.net>
	<79d1bee70703200541u128471bdj2f49f5a52e735f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<DBA506E7-EE7A-40AD-A222-243D953347A8@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <79d1bee70703200643g3e88b100o5ddcdf597585a667@mail.gmail.com>

I ended up using this form

export snapshot from rect trect of grp "PrintGrp" to pictvar as JPEG

Not sure if it leaks memory I'm only doing a few pages at a time

>
> Is this the code you mean? From looking at it, I assume that it too
> will leak memory?
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>


From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 09:49:17 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:49:17 +0000
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70703200643g3e88b100o5ddcdf597585a667@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C1AD531B-9FB9-44A9-B304-3333D6E63C91@looktowindward.com>
	<0907B72F-C7AC-45BE-A0AE-44E66191EC17@maseurope.net>
	<79d1bee70703200541u128471bdj2f49f5a52e735f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<DBA506E7-EE7A-40AD-A222-243D953347A8@looktowindward.com>
	<79d1bee70703200643g3e88b100o5ddcdf597585a667@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC37826A-847F-4B4E-A30F-FE110EB5AF25@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Ok thanks a lot, it probably is leaking memory then. Since you are  
using a JPEG image and not writing to a file it probably doesn't notice.

However, after a random number of times your App may crash, hang or  
just quit, I'm not sure if this is because memory gets full or  
whether some kind of memory corruption causes it.

Oh, BTW, What platform are you running on/developing for?

All the Best
Dave

On 20 Mar 2007, at 13:43, Martin Blackman wrote:

> I ended up using this form
>
> export snapshot from rect trect of grp "PrintGrp" to pictvar as JPEG
>
> Not sure if it leaks memory I'm only doing a few pages at a time
>
>>
>> Is this the code you mean? From looking at it, I assume that it too
>> will leak memory?
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>>
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From dave at crystalpiersw.com  Tue Mar 20 09:59:45 2007
From: dave at crystalpiersw.com (Dave Beck)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:59:45 -0300
Subject: consistent fatal error in 2.8
In-Reply-To: <20070308180005.AC9DF489092@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070308180005.AC9DF489092@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <000001c76af8$05aebd80$110c3880$@com>

I upgraded to Rev 2.8 a few days ago and have already had a number of
crashes.

Yesterday the program crashed when pasting a large amount of text into a
script. It reminded me of the crash that would happen every 10 minutes in
the short lived 2.7.3 (?) release on Win XP when pasting text.  

Today I discovered a completely reproducible fatal error that 100%
consistently happens on a "send" command in one of my stacks. The exact same
script does not crash in 2.7.4. I am using WinXP sp2.

What is the best way to have this quickly addressed?

I know you guys are working on quality control but I must say this is
disappointing.

David



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 20 10:14:04 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:14:04 -0700
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
Message-ID: <45FFEC2C.1040704@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
> Yet more information, I tried running it under 2.6.6.152 (using the  
> older screen rectangle command syntax) and I got it to export 2000  
> image files. It ran a *lot* slower but it didn't leak memory, so the  
> problem must have been introduced in version 2.7.x.

FWIW, last night I experienced crashes in one of my apps built with v2.8 
that has never crashes before.  This app is different from most others I 
work on mainly because of the number and frequency of file-writing 
operations.  There may be a connection to what you're seeing, or 
something else.  If I find a pattern I'll get back to you.

> I can't see that this could have been tested past a cursory glance  
> before releasing it.

While RunRev has had a history of some of the shorted Beta cycles I've 
ever seen, in this case the time between v2.6 and the current v2.8 spans 
more than a year and during most of that time this issue eluded a 
recipe.  That this is being seen now and a recipe is being honed in on 
is a good thing, but I'd hate to see RunRev err too far the other 
direction with Beta cycles extending longer than a year. Some bugs are 
not immediately evident, and will take time to discover amidst the 
nearly infinite combination of tokens that can be executed.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 10:23:19 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:23:19 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <45FFEC2C.1040704@fourthworld.com>
References: <45FFEC2C.1040704@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <6BB18439-8951-4E9D-B4F2-5E03900B8F09@looktowindward.com>


On 20 Mar 2007, at 14:14, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> Yet more information, I tried running it under 2.6.6.152 (using  
>> the  older screen rectangle command syntax) and I got it to export  
>> 2000  image files. It ran a *lot* slower but it didn't leak  
>> memory, so the  problem must have been introduced in version 2.7.x.
>
> FWIW, last night I experienced crashes in one of my apps built with  
> v2.8 that has never crashes before.  This app is different from  
> most others I work on mainly because of the number and frequency of  
> file-writing operations.  There may be a connection to what you're  
> seeing, or something else.  If I find a pattern I'll get back to you.
>
>> I can't see that this could have been tested past a cursory  
>> glance  before releasing it.
>
> While RunRev has had a history of some of the shorted Beta cycles  
> I've ever seen, in this case the time between v2.6 and the current  
> v2.8 spans more than a year and during most of that time this issue  
> eluded a recipe.  That this is being seen now and a recipe is being  
> honed in on is a good thing, but I'd hate to see RunRev err too far  
> the other direction with Beta cycles extending longer than a year.  
> Some bugs are not immediately evident, and will take time to  
> discover amidst the nearly infinite combination of tokens that can  
> be executed.

All I know is that if I were to write something like this (a file/ 
image data exporter) then once I'd got it working past the the point  
where I could write an image file in all the different formats then  
I'd run a soak test on it and let it run for *loads* of (like 10,000 
+) of iterations and I would have checked that memory was being  
released. In fact I wrote an external command module that does  
something similar (it analyzes movie frames) and I *did* soak test it  
and I *did* find memory leaks.

For me, this is software engineering 101.

All the Best
Dave




From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Mar 20 10:26:02 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:26:02 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <621D4AD4-1C72-4D12-967F-BD017F5A82F6@looktowindward.com>
References: <45FEA4B5.1030407@fourthworld.com>
	<1552BACA-CB89-4E38-A969-2448CE94027D@azurevision.co.uk>
	<621D4AD4-1C72-4D12-967F-BD017F5A82F6@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <B312DA72-46F2-4554-A1E5-3D9B8B9A3725@maseurope.net>

on mouseUp
   set the directory to "/Users/marksmith/Desktop/xpics/"

   repeat with x = 1 to 1000
     if the mouse is down then
       exit to top
     end if
     put x & ".png" into tDest
     set the backgroundColor of grp "counter" to any item of "red,blue"
     set the backgroundColor of fld "counter" to any item of  
"green,yellow"

     put x into fld "counter" of grp "counter"

     export snapshot from grp "counter" to file tDest as PNG
     wait 1 millisec
   end repeat
end mouseUp



Weird...I set this up earlier and was finding that it would stop with  
an error, at various points, but usually at the 256th iteration, and  
never later.
The error was something along the lines of 'could not write to file....'

However, if I changed <put x into fld "counter" of grp "counter"> to
<put "x=" & x into fld "counter" of grp "counter">, it completed  
without problem every time.

Activity Monitor (I'm on a G4 mac laptop, Rev 2.8.0) reported only a  
tiny increase in real and virtual memory use.

I had to go out, and quit Revolution. Now I've come back, the same  
stack works correctly whatever I put in the <put x into...> line.

Best,

Mark


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Mar 20 10:27:57 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:27:57 -0500
Subject: Opening a new stack from the current stack
Message-ID: <45FFEF6D.6010107@crcom.net>

I have a program I'm working on the has an "authorization" stack where a 
username and password are entered and then if they are ok, will load 
another stack that has the actual application.  I think I got it to work 
once (in other words, it loaded and brought to the front) but haven't 
been able to do it again.  This is failing in the IDE.  Eventually I 
want to run the authorization app with stackRunner but right now, I 
can't get SR to connect to the database of usernames/passwords/profiles.

The other little issue I have is that the one time the "big" app loaded 
the authorization stack (which is very small) stayed on (behind the new 
stack).  Is there anyway I can close the authorization stack once the 
new main app stack is open?  I understand that the auth stack is what's 
loading the app stack so getting rid of it could cause problems because 
when the app is done, it has nowhere to return to.

One last little hitch, I'm trying to load all of my stacks via URLs.  
They are not going to be local to the workstations.  Only stackRunner 
will be loaded on the workstations.

Thanks for any guidance!

len morgan


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Tue Mar 20 10:39:13 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:39:13 -0300
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <45FFF211.4050107@howsoft.com>

These are my choices, and the reasons for them:

1. Ubuntu (Gnome), because of its importance and popularity, and also 
because of its social aspirations.

2. Linspire or Freespire (KDE), because of its "impurity" regarding 
free/open software (i.e. its moderate acceptance of commercialization), 
its CNR installation system, and its recent partnership with Ubuntu in 
this respect.

3. Puppy, because of its competence and above all its portability.

Bob


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 20 10:50:16 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:50:16 -0700
Subject: Bug with token chunk type?
Message-ID: <45FFF4A8.7060303@fourthworld.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2007, at 05:47, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> Why should "s" be parsed as a separate "token" from the numeric  
>> portion  if it trails or is anywhere in the middle, but only if  
>> it's at the beginning then it's considered a part of the  
>> alphanumeric string? :\
>>
>> Unless someone can come up with a good reason why this is what one  
>> should expect I'll log it as a bug tomorrow.
> 
> Does there need to be a good reason?

I'm one of those old-fashioned guys who still believes computers are 
deterministic systems. :)

It's possible to discover bugs in software, even Rev.  When this one was 
discovered it was unknown whether this was a bug or not; to some degree 
the question still remains open, but I have too much to do to explore 
this further so I'm willing to accept the guesses provided here and move 
on to simply replace the use of the token chunk type in my code.

As with any seemingly anomalous behavior, if a definitive answer can't 
be arrived at by the readers here it can be helpful to bring it to the 
attention of the development team.  Bugs happen.

> From the docs, "The token chunk is jmplemented for the Transcript
> language, and probably isn't suitable for use in a general-purpose
> language parser."
> 
> I've always taken this to mean that "token" is the engine's private  
> property, and we have no basis for questionning how it works. We can  
> guess, but we can also expect to be surprised.

When I'm delivering a product I try to avoid guessing. :)

"Token" is a documented keyword which is useful for a great many 
solutions, as evidenced by the frequency with which it's used in 
handlers provided by readers of this list.   While its main benefit is 
for those of us who write IDEs and IDE tools, its value extends to 5GLs 
and a great many other uses as well.  It can be really handy.

Phil Jimmieson's suggestion that this issue may be related to how the 
parser scans for variable names may be the clue that's needed, and Bill 
Marriott's observation that differences in interpreting strings appear 
to be limited to those which might be valid hex symbols appears to cinch it.

So don't worry, I won't pollute Bugzilla with yet another non-bug report 
(last time I reviewed the bugs there it seems about a third were junk, 
either duplicates or just not reading the docs).  I tend to be somewhat 
cautious about entering bug reports there, which is why I brought the 
issue here first.

Thanks to all who helped pin this down. Last night I rewrote the handler 
that used this which had resulted in a bug report from one of my 
customers, and while the current solution is a tad slower the rewrite 
was a good exercise as the new version is clearer and easier to maintain 
and enhance.

There is a cautionary lesson here for those who use the "token" chunk 
type:  Test thoroughly, and expect things that may seem anomalous at 
first in light of the many different needs of the engine's parser. 
Given the testing requirements implied by being unable to anticipate all 
possible behaviors, it may be best to avoid using the "token" chunk type 
except as a last resort when no other solution is available, or in the 
small subset of uses where such anomalies aren't likely to affect outcomes.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 20 10:52:50 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 07:52:50 -0700
Subject: consistent fatal error in 2.8
Message-ID: <45FFF542.7000002@fourthworld.com>

Dave Beck wrote:
> Today I discovered a completely reproducible fatal error that 100%
> consistently happens on a "send" command in one of my stacks. The exact same
> script does not crash in 2.7.4. I am using WinXP sp2.
> 
> What is the best way to have this quickly addressed?

Find a recipe and include that in a bug report with the crash log at 
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/>.

If you comment out the "send" statement to the errors stop?
If you change what's being sent do the errors stop?
What is being sent?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 20 11:17:13 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:17:13 -0700
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
Message-ID: <45FFFAF9.5000308@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
> All I know is that if I were to write something like this (a file/ 
> image data exporter) then once I'd got it working past the the point  
> where I could write an image file in all the different formats then  
> I'd run a soak test on it and let it run for *loads* of (like 10,000 
> +) of iterations and I would have checked that memory was being  
> released. In fact I wrote an external command module that does  
> something similar (it analyzes movie frames) and I *did* soak test it  
> and I *did* find memory leaks.
> 
> For me, this is software engineering 101.

And it turns out that you did write an image exporter, and did run it 
through a soak test.  Good job.

I'm glad you recognize that it's up to us to test the specific 
implementations we use Rev for.  The combinatorial explosion of all 
possible uses would make it impossible for RunRev to do that.

RunRev can help by having Beta cycles whose length is more in keeping 
with industry norms, but the actual testing can't be done by them; there 
are just too many possibilities.

What was the final recipe for this error (I was unable to reproduce the 
last one), and what's the BZ #?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 11:27:45 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:27:45 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <45FFFAF9.5000308@fourthworld.com>
References: <45FFFAF9.5000308@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E5D6FD59-D249-4624-B60E-1B98CF2417E5@looktowindward.com>


On 20 Mar 2007, at 15:17, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> All I know is that if I were to write something like this (a file/  
>> image data exporter) then once I'd got it working past the the  
>> point  where I could write an image file in all the different  
>> formats then  I'd run a soak test on it and let it run for *loads*  
>> of (like 10,000 +) of iterations and I would have checked that  
>> memory was being  released. In fact I wrote an external command  
>> module that does  something similar (it analyzes movie frames) and  
>> I *did* soak test it  and I *did* find memory leaks.
>> For me, this is software engineering 101.
>
> And it turns out that you did write an image exporter, and did run  
> it through a soak test.  Good job.

Better to do it before anyone else find the problem and the best time  
to do that it right after you have finished coding it. That way it  
still fresh in your mind.

> I'm glad you recognize that it's up to us to test the specific  
> implementations we use Rev for.  The combinatorial explosion of all  
> possible uses would make it impossible for RunRev to do that.

Where does it say this in their product advertising? I must have  
missed that bit.

> RunRev can help by having Beta cycles whose length is more in  
> keeping with industry norms, but the actual testing can't be done  
> by them; there are just too many possibilities.

I'd be happy to test it for them. How much are they paying?

> What was the final recipe for this error (I was unable to reproduce  
> the last one), and what's the BZ #?

Jacque is looking into it at the moment and will report it. I will  
let you know the BZ # when I get it.

All the Best
Dave




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 11:29:48 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 08:29:48 -0700
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
In-Reply-To: <45FFB3A7.5050809@deepfoo.com>
Message-ID: <C2254BFC.442E8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

> Jim, Dave, Devin
> 
> Thanks for your help in making me think harder about this. I literally
> woke up out of a dream this morning and knew right away what was wrong
> with the script. There was one error that would have persistently been a
> problem that I have fixed now.

Glad it worked out so well.  Data mining is a tricky business, especially if
the originator allows delimiters to also be content (such as commas and
hyphens).  The one change I would make in your routine is the use of a tab
instead of a comma as a delim, since this is a common character, but that
depends on your data set.  I assume that are not encountering and commas in
the data.

I love the mornings when I wake up and realize the answer to a programming
puzzle.  No matter what the weather, it is a sunny day for me :-)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/20/07 3:12 AM, "Bryan McCormick" <bryan at deepfoo.com> wrote:

> Jim, Dave, Devin
> 
> Thanks for your help in making me think harder about this. I literally
> woke up out of a dream this morning and knew right away what was wrong
> with the script. There was one error that would have persistently been a
> problem that I have fixed now.
> 
> In the interests of anyone else who encounters a similar horrible string
> task, the solution is provided below.
> 
> One more thing. You all get credit for making me think harder about what
> else was in the files that might have been a random char throwing things
> off.
> 
> Now, I did go and change the script to make it simpler. I realized I
> only needed to find the hyphen at the start of the date and simply
> advance forward past the next hyphen in the date string. Since we were
> dealing with fixed length records forward from the first hyphen (three
> char month, hyphen, two char year) this was the simplest way.
> 
> Genius? I thought so.
> 
> As luck would happen I had hit upon the few records that were problem
> children right off the bat.
> 
> It turned out that a few of the records had the word "in-line" with a
> hyphen which threw off the whole thing. So there is a separate script
> when the file is read in that checks now for nulls, odd-ball ascii
> codes, and our friend "in-line". I was lucky in this case that the
> records were so simple. The alternative would have been to keep the
> "-Jan-...-Dec-" chunks and walk through the file 12 times. No big deal I
> suppose and it could always be done that way if one had different chunks
> to search for.
> 
> Anyway, here is the finished script with comments. I hope it helps
> others who might have similar issues. I have over 5000 of these files to
> do which will now take about ten minutes versus the agony (and days) I'd
> have had to endure if there had been no community here to draw upon for
> help and if rev was not so darn handy.
> 
> By the way the script that adds the return character also puts in a
> comma in the right place after the date so that I have another delimiter
> to work with and the record in the end is comma delimited with a return
> character as the record marker. Much better than the ugly long single
> string I started out with.
> 
> Thanks All.
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> on mouseUp
>    put fld 1 into textBlock
>    put makeOffsets("-",textBlock,1) into varOffsets
>    sort lines of varOffsets numeric descending
>    -- this is the only way it works as otherwise the char count gets thrown
>    -- off. essentially we are working up from the end of the string forward
>    repeat for each line varRecord in varOffsets
>      put char varRecord-2 to varRecord-1 of textBlock into eval
>      if char 1 of eval is a number and char 2 of eval is a number  then
>        put comma after char varRecord+6 of textBlock
>        put cr  before char varRecord-2 of textBlock
>      else
>        if char 1 of eval is  not a  number and char 2 of eval is a
> number   then
>          put comma after char varRecord+6 of textBlock
>          put cr before char varRecord-1 of textBlock
>        end if
>      end if
>    end repeat
>    put textBlock into fld 1
> end mouseUp
> 
> function makeOffsets varChunk,textBlock,posStart
>    if posStart = empty then
>      put 1 into pos
>    else
>      put posStart into pos
>    end if
>    repeat until varOffset = 0
>      put offset(varChunk, textBlock, pos) into varOffset
>      if varOffset <>0 then
>        put varOffset+pos&return after newText
>        -- this was what was mucked-up in the original script
>        -- have to add the prior pos to the new one since we
>        -- are using the "skip chars" option and need to add
>        -- add the prior position to the new relative pos
>        add varOffset+length(varChunk)+6 to pos
>        -- i could get away with adding a fixed number in this
>        -- case since the date was never going to be shorter than
>        -- six chars + the found offset + chunk, ("-") in this case
>      else
>        exit repeat
>      end if
>    end repeat
>    return newText
> end makeOffsets




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 20 11:42:43 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:42:43 -0500
Subject: Stackrunner and Databases
In-Reply-To: <45FF0C2C.1090901@crcom.net>
References: <45FF0C2C.1090901@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <20070320104243462812.40bc2b8e@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:18:20 -0500, Len Morgan wrote:

> Hello all!
> 
> I'm trying to do two things at once that may not be possible - at 
> least I haven't figured out how yet.
> 
> I want to use stackRunner to load and run a stack from a URL.  This 
> stack needs to access a PostreSQL database on the same server as the 
> stack will come from.  The stack works fine in the IDE but when I try 
> to run it from stackRunner with a URL, I get a database error (wrong 
> database type).  My question is where do I need to put the database 
> drivers?  Can I keep them on the same server as the stacks?  

No, the drivers have to be accessible as a file path (AFAIK).

> I want 
> to have the minimum "footprint" on the client machines and using a 
> shared or network drive is not a viable option.

What platform(s) do you need this for?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 11:43:03 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 15:43:03 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <752461.60063.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

No, I "Mint"

( http://linuxmint.com/ )

for the following reasons:-

1. It is Ubuntu-based ( see Bob Warren's # 1 ),

2. It is "impure" (this means:

installing stuff like Real Player (which is Free, but
not open-source) is not a pain in the b*tt*m.

I have successfully run 17 different window managers
on Ubuntu so the
KDE/Gnome thingy doesn't really bother me:

I favour:-

Fluxbox or XFCE for programmers

and Enlightenment for people who "get off" on
eye-candy,

with Gnome for the vast majority of end-users.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson.




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From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Mar 20 11:43:56 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:43:56 -0500
Subject: Opening a new stack from the current stack
Message-ID: <4600013C.2050301@crcom.net>

Nevermind.  :-(  I forgot the "URL" in the command.

Len


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Mar 20 11:45:41 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:45:41 -0500
Subject: Stackrunner and Databases
Message-ID: <460001A5.4050805@crcom.net>

Nevermind on this one either.  I had the database drivers in the 
Externals folder, not the Externals/Database Drivers folder (which 
didn't exist).  Now that I've moved things to where they are supposed to 
be, it's all working fine.

len


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Mar 20 11:48:52 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:48:52 -0500
Subject: Default button behavior
Message-ID: <46000264.9030809@crcom.net>

In my little authorization stack, I've to two fields and two buttons. 
(Username, password, Login and Cancel).  The Login button has the 
default property set to true.  The problem is when I tab out of the 
password field, it skips over the Login button and makes the Cancel 
button the default (indicated by the ring around the button text).  I'd 
like the user to be able to enter a username, press Tab, enter a 
password, press Tab, then hit Return to log in.  What's happening now is 
the program closes after the second Tab and Return because Cancel 
becomes the default.  What am I doing wrong?

len


From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 12:05:58 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:05:58 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <B312DA72-46F2-4554-A1E5-3D9B8B9A3725@maseurope.net>
References: <45FEA4B5.1030407@fourthworld.com>
	<1552BACA-CB89-4E38-A969-2448CE94027D@azurevision.co.uk>
	<621D4AD4-1C72-4D12-967F-BD017F5A82F6@looktowindward.com>
	<B312DA72-46F2-4554-A1E5-3D9B8B9A3725@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <34C35656-D023-44F6-86D5-1F9E9A4D942B@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

This is the kind of thing I was experiencing. I think there may be  
two related problems, although one may cause the other. When I tested  
it, it would run up to file 288 and not write file 289. I then  
started it at file 289 and it would go wrong on the first file.
e.g. change your loop to read like this:

put   <WHATEVER>  into myStartOffset
repeat with x =  (1 + myStartOffset) to (1000 + myStartOffset)

and see what happens.

With my image I see 1.8 GB allocated to RunRev over 1000 iterations.  
I am only running at a quarter of the frame size needed in the real  
app so my limit is going to be around 250 frames, this is not good  
enough for my demo where I am going to need 3000 frames minimum.

I've just tried it on a PowerPC (Mac Mini) Running Panther and it  
still leaks. I am just installing Tiger on that machine and will see  
what happens then.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 20 Mar 2007, at 14:26, Mark Smith wrote:

> on mouseUp
>   set the directory to "/Users/marksmith/Desktop/xpics/"
>
>   repeat with x = 1 to 1000
>     if the mouse is down then
>       exit to top
>     end if
>     put x & ".png" into tDest
>     set the backgroundColor of grp "counter" to any item of "red,blue"
>     set the backgroundColor of fld "counter" to any item of  
> "green,yellow"
>
>     put x into fld "counter" of grp "counter"
>
>     export snapshot from grp "counter" to file tDest as PNG
>     wait 1 millisec
>   end repeat
> end mouseUp
>
>
>
> Weird...I set this up earlier and was finding that it would stop  
> with an error, at various points, but usually at the 256th  
> iteration, and never later.
> The error was something along the lines of 'could not write to  
> file....'
>
> However, if I changed <put x into fld "counter" of grp "counter"> to
> <put "x=" & x into fld "counter" of grp "counter">, it completed  
> without problem every time.
>
> Activity Monitor (I'm on a G4 mac laptop, Rev 2.8.0) reported only  
> a tiny increase in real and virtual memory use.
>
> I had to go out, and quit Revolution. Now I've come back, the same  
> stack works correctly whatever I put in the <put x into...> line.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
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From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Mar 20 12:20:03 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:20:03 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <34C35656-D023-44F6-86D5-1F9E9A4D942B@looktowindward.com>
References: <45FEA4B5.1030407@fourthworld.com>
	<1552BACA-CB89-4E38-A969-2448CE94027D@azurevision.co.uk>
	<621D4AD4-1C72-4D12-967F-BD017F5A82F6@looktowindward.com>
	<B312DA72-46F2-4554-A1E5-3D9B8B9A3725@maseurope.net>
	<34C35656-D023-44F6-86D5-1F9E9A4D942B@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <CE642566-70AF-4462-A81B-C8B4B8BCCDBA@maseurope.net>

Dave, as I said, it's now working as you would hope, and I can't  
reproduce the problem.

Just out of interest, in view of what was happening here before, have  
you tried putting "x=" & x into fld "counter", rather than just x?

Best,

Mark

On 20 Mar 2007, at 16:05, Dave wrote:

> This is the kind of thing I was experiencing. I think there may be  
> two related problems, although one may cause the other. When I  
> tested it, it would run up to file 288 and not write file 289. I  
> then started it at file 289 and it would go wrong on the first file.
> e.g. change your loop to read like this:
>
> put   <WHATEVER>  into myStartOffset
> repeat with x =  (1 + myStartOffset) to (1000 + myStartOffset)
>
> and see what happens.



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Mar 20 12:42:02 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:42:02 -0600
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
In-Reply-To: <C2254BFC.442E8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2254BFC.442E8%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F6C9F7FB-78E7-4478-8C68-D174E7073866@byu.edu>


On Mar 20, 2007, at 9:29 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

>>
>> On Mar 20, 2007, at 4:12 AM, Bryan McCormick wrote:
>> Jim, Dave, Devin
>>
>> Thanks for your help in making me think harder about this. I  
>> literally
>> woke up out of a dream this morning and knew right away what was  
>> wrong
>> with the script. There was one error that would have persistently  
>> been a
>> problem that I have fixed now.

Glad I was able to help jostle some brain cells.
>
> I love the mornings when I wake up and realize the answer to a  
> programming
> puzzle.

Amen!

> No matter what the weather, it is a sunny day for me :-)

Wait, when is it ever *not* sunny in Las Vegas? ;-)

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 12:53:23 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:53:23 -0700
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
In-Reply-To: <F6C9F7FB-78E7-4478-8C68-D174E7073866@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <C2255F93.44309%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/20/07 9:42 AM, "Devin Asay" <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:

> Wait, when is it ever *not* sunny in Las Vegas? ;-)
Very seldom.  About twice a year we will have 3 days in a row of cloudy
weather.

Jim




From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Tue Mar 20 13:05:59 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:05:59 -0400
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <OF46FF48FC.D8F4A25B-ON852572A4.005C8BFF@sealedair.com>

> I used to be pretty huge on Debian-based Linspire as the best Linux 
flavor 
> for complete technophobes/newbies. Then I learned that Linspire just 
> partnered with Ubuntu to share technologies. The Linspire operating 
system 
> will transition to using Ubuntu as their baseline. Linspire will do 
their 
> Click-And-Run thing for Ubuntu.
> 
> Ubuntu is clearly the flavor-of-the-month. 

I have tried Ubuntu, but prefer Fedora Core 6. I use Revolution on FC6 all 
the time. I have tried Linspire waaay back, and was put off by the 
subscription fee for accessing the CNR service. Now that CNR will be free 
for ALL MAJOR DISTROS (not just Linspire and Ubuntu), I will most likely 
use it on my Fedora box.

I choose Fedora over Ubuntu because you get more useful software 
immediately. I also prefer RPMs for installing software. What I dislike is 
that Fedora (Red Hat) has stripped out everything media related so they 
cannot be held responsible for any misuse of DRM protected media files.
 
---- <snip from http://www.cnr.com> ----
"Utilizing 5 years of CNR development in one-click software delivery, 
CNR.com will provide a standardized process for finding, evaluating, 
installing, and updating desktop software for the most popular Linux 
distributions, both Debian and RPM based."

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From dave at looktowindward.com  Tue Mar 20 12:59:10 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:59:10 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <CE642566-70AF-4462-A81B-C8B4B8BCCDBA@maseurope.net>
References: <45FEA4B5.1030407@fourthworld.com>
	<1552BACA-CB89-4E38-A969-2448CE94027D@azurevision.co.uk>
	<621D4AD4-1C72-4D12-967F-BD017F5A82F6@looktowindward.com>
	<B312DA72-46F2-4554-A1E5-3D9B8B9A3725@maseurope.net>
	<34C35656-D023-44F6-86D5-1F9E9A4D942B@looktowindward.com>
	<CE642566-70AF-4462-A81B-C8B4B8BCCDBA@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <D7496E7C-D1A7-4307-A422-3E18F61750B8@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I have got it working so I don't get the file name problem (giving an  
error at file N) but it still leaks like there is no tomorrow. I have  
tried doing the "x  = " trick as well as well as taking out the  
counter field altogether and it still leaks. I can't get it to work  
beyond 2000 images and that is at one quarter size, if I make them  
full size then I will have no chance!

I've tried this on Intel and PowerPC Under Tiger and Panther and I  
get the leak on both machines and both versions of the OS.

When you run the stack, do you have the system activity monitor  
running? If so after 1000 images how much RAM is allocated to RunRev  
(Real and Physical) ? For me:

Real Memory    Virtual Memory
887.14 MB                1.25 GB                        1000 Images
1.68 GB                     2.07 GB                        2000 Images

At this point the system becomes unusable and RunRev will either quit  
itself or you will have to quit or force quit.

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 20 Mar 2007, at 16:20, Mark Smith wrote:

> Dave, as I said, it's now working as you would hope, and I can't  
> reproduce the problem.
>
> Just out of interest, in view of what was happening here before,  
> have you tried putting "x=" & x into fld "counter", rather than  
> just x?
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> On 20 Mar 2007, at 16:05, Dave wrote:
>
>> This is the kind of thing I was experiencing. I think there may be  
>> two related problems, although one may cause the other. When I  
>> tested it, it would run up to file 288 and not write file 289. I  
>> then started it at file 289 and it would go wrong on the first file.
>> e.g. change your loop to read like this:
>>
>> put   <WHATEVER>  into myStartOffset
>> repeat with x =  (1 + myStartOffset) to (1000 + myStartOffset)
>>
>> and see what happens.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Tue Mar 20 13:05:02 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 11:05:02 -0600
Subject: Default button behavior
In-Reply-To: <46000264.9030809@crcom.net>
References: <46000264.9030809@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <F64042DC-2C95-4530-B60D-FFBD670B2E4B@byu.edu>


On Mar 20, 2007, at 9:48 AM, Len Morgan wrote:

> In my little authorization stack, I've to two fields and two  
> buttons. (Username, password, Login and Cancel).  The Login button  
> has the default property set to true.  The problem is when I tab  
> out of the password field, it skips over the Login button and makes  
> the Cancel button the default (indicated by the ring around the  
> button text).  I'd like the user to be able to enter a username,  
> press Tab, enter a password, press Tab, then hit Return to log in.   
> What's happening now is the program closes after the second Tab and  
> Return because Cancel becomes the default.  What am I doing wrong?

Len,

The controls are probably in the wrong order. Check the layer  
property for all your controls; that will determine the tab order.  
They should be in this order:

field "username" -- layer 1
field "password" -- layer 2
button "login"   -- layer 3
button "cancel"  -- layer 4

You also need to make sure that the traversalOn property is true for  
all controls you want to tab to (see the property inspector; it's  
labeled "Focus with keyboard".)

BTW, you could save a keystroke by adding  returnInField and  
enterInField handlers to the password field:

on returnInField
   click at the loc of btn "login"
end returnInField

on enterInField
   click at the loc of btn "login"
end enterInField

This should not interfere with tabbing.

HTH

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Mar 20 13:28:51 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:28:51 -0500
Subject: Stackrunner and Databases
Message-ID: <460019D3.6020609@crcom.net>

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 17:18:20 -0500, Len Morgan wrote:


> > Hello all!
> > 
> > I'm trying to do two things at once that may not be possible - at 
> > least I haven't figured out how yet.
> > 
> > I want to use stackRunner to load and run a stack from a URL.  This 
> > stack needs to access a PostreSQL database on the same server as the 
> > stack will come from.  The stack works fine in the IDE but when I try 
> > to run it from stackRunner with a URL, I get a database error (wrong 
> > database type).  My question is where do I need to put the database 
> > drivers?  Can I keep them on the same server as the stacks?  
>   

> No, the drivers have to be accessible as a file path (AFAIK).


> > I want 
> > to have the minimum "footprint" on the client machines and using a 
> > shared or network drive is not a viable option.
>   

> What platform(s) do you need this for?

Ken - thanks for the reply in a message I sent that probably crossed yous, I fixed the problem.  I didn't have the "Database Drivers" folder on the workstation.  Since those are unlikely to ever change (unlike my stacks) I don't have a problem including them with the stackRunner installation.

The platform is Windows by the way and that brought up another question: Do they externals have to be truly external because Windows won't look for them in the exe file?  Would it not be possible (and I'm not suggesting that you try this) to include zipped dlls in the exe and if they are not found at run time, unzip them into whatever folder stackrunner was started in?  If they are already there, this step could be skipped.  I know that Tcl "starpacks" do this but their stackRunner.exe equivalent has a virtual file system built in that makes all the included libraries and dlls look like they are on another "hard drive."  It just happens to be in the same file as the exe.

While I've got you, since you seem to know a lot about the internals of Rev, do you know if it's possible for an external to do drawing in the Rev window?  The reason I ask is because I've been waiting for almost 3 years for Rev to do a table field that is at least somewhat useful (i.e., editable at the cell level for color, alignment, font, etc).  There is a great table package for Tcl that is available as C source, it's cross platform, completely open source.  As long as it is allowed to "draw" in Rev windows, it should be a simple matter to get this working as a Rev external.

Just thought I'd ask...



From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Mar 20 13:41:13 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 17:41:13 +0000
Subject: Bug with token chunk type?
In-Reply-To: <45FFF4A8.7060303@fourthworld.com>
References: <45FFF4A8.7060303@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <FC0441CF-612A-49FE-8493-38140D784AA3@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 20 Mar 2007, at 14:50, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
>> From the docs, "The token chunk is jmplemented for the Transcript
>> language, and probably isn't suitable for use in a general-purpose
>> language parser."
>> I've always taken this to mean that "token" is the engine's  
>> private  property, and we have no basis for questionning how it  
>> works. We can  guess, but we can also expect to be surprised.
>
> When I'm delivering a product I try to avoid guessing. :)

Me too. Which is why I avoid using "token" in my scripts. :-) But as  
usual, I suspect we agree on this. My point was that the docs state  
that "token" isn't suitable for general-purpose language parsing.  
That sounds to me like "use at your own risk".

Cheers
Dave


From wjm at wjm.org  Tue Mar 20 14:26:38 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:26:38 -0400
Subject: consistent fatal error in 2.8
References: <20070308180005.AC9DF489092@mail.runrev.com>
	<000001c76af8$05aebd80$110c3880$@com>
Message-ID: <etp90u$6r7$1@sea.gmane.org>

Dave,

> What is the best way to have this quickly addressed?

If you have a 100% reproducible crasher that is something that definitely 
needs to be addressed. The best way to report problems is via the Quality 
Control Center:

http://quality.runrev.com

Feel free to add bill.marriott(at)runrev.com to the CC: list.

Bill 





From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Mar 20 14:29:00 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:29:00 -0500
Subject: Stackrunner and Databases
In-Reply-To: <460019D3.6020609@crcom.net>
References: <460019D3.6020609@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <20070320132900922446.ef26a4c5@sonsothunder.com>

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 12:28:51 -0500, Len Morgan wrote:

> Ken - thanks for the reply in a message I sent that probably crossed 
> yous, I fixed the problem.  I didn't have the "Database Drivers" 
> folder on the workstation.  Since those are unlikely to ever change 
> (unlike my stacks) I don't have a problem including them with the 
> stackRunner installation.

This is actually a good thing, Len... I am going to be adding the 
Database Drivers folder to the StackRunner installation with a note 
about database access so that others won't have to figure out what you 
had to figure out.
 
> The platform is Windows by the way and that brought up another 
> question: Do they externals have to be truly external because Windows 
> won't look for them in the exe file?  

Yes.

> Would it not be possible (and 
> I'm not suggesting that you try this) to include zipped dlls in the 
> exe and if they are not found at run time, unzip them into whatever 
> folder stackrunner was started in?  If they are already there, this 
> step could be skipped.  I know that Tcl "starpacks" do this but their 
> stackRunner.exe equivalent has a virtual file system built in that 
> makes all the included libraries and dlls look like they are on 
> another "hard drive."  It just happens to be in the same file as the 
> exe.

Hmm... well, I certainly *could* do it, but one of the things about 
StackRunner is that it is to be generic in nature; if I were to bundle 
in the database DLLs with it, it would include a bunch of stuff that 
others not using SR wouldn't need. However perhaps I should make two 
"editions" - a databse edition with the DLLs in it, and one without... 
I'd have to check with RunRev first though to see if that's OK...
 
> While I've got you, since you seem to know a lot about the internals 
> of Rev, do you know if it's possible for an external to do drawing in 
> the Rev window?  

Yes; in fact the altBrowser DLL does just that - it draws to a region 
on a card.

> The reason I ask is because I've been waiting for 
> almost 3 years for Rev to do a table field that is at least somewhat 
> useful (i.e., editable at the cell level for color, alignment, font, 
> etc).  There is a great table package for Tcl that is available as C 
> source, it's cross platform, completely open source.  As long as it 
> is allowed to "draw" in Rev windows, it should be a simple matter to 
> get this working as a Rev external.

You might want to check with Chipp Walters about this -  to see if 
there's something special that needs to be done.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Mar 20 16:34:21 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 13:34:21 -0700
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <4600454D.2000606@fourthworld.com>

I have Ubuntu installed under Parallels, and until I run Rev it's pretty 
great.  Then I run Rev, and the whole system stops accepting input, both 
keyboard and mouse.

Jacque tells me she has the same issue.

Anyone else see this?  Know of a solution?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Mar 20 16:44:02 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:44:02 -0400
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <E5D6FD59-D249-4624-B60E-1B98CF2417E5@looktowindward.com>
References: <45FFFAF9.5000308@fourthworld.com>
	<E5D6FD59-D249-4624-B60E-1B98CF2417E5@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c225e915d6d7@[192.168.1.31]>

>>Dave wrote:
>
>Where does it say this in their product advertising? I must have 
>missed that bit.


you know  very well they wouldn't say that, neither would you.

>
>>RunRev can help by having Beta cycles whose length is more in 
>>keeping with industry norms, but the actual testing can't be done 
>>by them; there are just too many possibilities.
>
>I'd be happy to test it for them. How much are they paying?

Unless you are trying to be funny, that sounds like you still don't 
get what Rev and this support community is about. Of course they 
can't pay you - why are you saying this? You know they only have x 
amount of resources - for me this support model really rocks - much 
better than other methods...

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 20 17:02:16 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:02:16 -0500
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
In-Reply-To: <9E9AAE9D-8631-4A23-92E9-E1A968512D92@looktowindward.com>
References: <C1AD531B-9FB9-44A9-B304-3333D6E63C91@looktowindward.com>	<0907B72F-C7AC-45BE-A0AE-44E66191EC17@maseurope.net>
	<9E9AAE9D-8631-4A23-92E9-E1A968512D92@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <46004BD8.4030000@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:
> If I do this:
> 
> put globalLoc(the topLeft of group "GroupCounter") into myFrameRect
> put "," and globalLoc(the bottomRight of group "GroupCounter") after 
> myFrameRect
> export snapshot from rect myFrameRect to file myFileName as PNG
> 
> Then I get the "no image" error!

It's a typo. Use "&" rather than "and":

  put "," & globalLoc(the botttomRight of grp "groupcounter") after 
myframerect

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 20 17:20:22 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:20:22 -0500
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
In-Reply-To: <DBA506E7-EE7A-40AD-A222-243D953347A8@looktowindward.com>
References: <C1AD531B-9FB9-44A9-B304-3333D6E63C91@looktowindward.com>	<0907B72F-C7AC-45BE-A0AE-44E66191EC17@maseurope.net>	<79d1bee70703200541u128471bdj2f49f5a52e735f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<DBA506E7-EE7A-40AD-A222-243D953347A8@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <46005016.2050005@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I don't have access to all of those posts as I'm working away at the 
> moment. I have two main problems:
> 
> 1.  The export snapshot command leaks memory like it's going out of 
> fashion.
> 
> 2.  The export snapshot when used in the context of a rectangle still 
> leaks memory but not as badly as the other form, however I can't seem to 
> get the correct rectangle coordinates for the portion of the window I 
> want to dump.

Richard and I have been looking at this offlist. I've written Dave 
privately, but just to update everyone here, this is what we found:

1. There is a problem with PNGs for some reason. The export command 
fails after a certain number of itertations. In Dave's stack, this is 
#289. If you change the export type to GIF or JPEG (or maybe some of the 
others we didn't try) then there is no error after any number of iterations.

2. The memory leak is significant, but it only occurs in the IDE. It 
isn't an engine problem.  When running the same script in the MC IDE or 
as a standalone, there is no memory leak.

Therefore, Dave can probably work around the issue by changing his 
export format to something other than PNG, and limiting his tests in the 
IDE to fewer repetitions. When run as a standalone, it should be fully 
functional without any leaks for any number of iterations.

I have submitted a bug report for Dave about this, and will update it 
with this info. The bug number is #4558. Gotta thank Richard for some 
heavy-duty sleuthing on this one.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From john at debraneys.com  Tue Mar 20 17:23:02 2007
From: john at debraneys.com (john at debraneys.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:23:02 +0000
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <W257312917779751174425782@webmail28>


>Anyone else see this? Know of a solution?

Buy another computer ? 

 : )



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 17:36:48 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 14:36:48 -0700
Subject: [TIP} co-sort variable 1 based on values in variable 2
Message-ID: <C225A200.4434F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

This specific technique can be used to branch to the one that will work for
you.  The basic idea is to sort varB by the values in varA using a temporary
array.

Restrictions:  
varA and varB have the same number of items to be sorted
varA has unique values
varB has unique values

-------------
   put varA into varAoriginal
   set the itemdel to "^"
    repeat with x = 1 to the number of items in varA --before sorting
      put x into tempArrayOfVarA[item x of varA]
    end repeat
    sort items of varA descending
    repeat with x = 1 to the number of items in varA  --now sorted
      --now we find the orignal 'x' before sorting
      put tempArrayOfVarA[item x of varA] into k
      put item k of varB & "^" after varNewB
    end repeat
    delete the last char of varNewB
    put varNewB into varB

and now we could use
varAoriginal, or varA, but in either case varB is in new sort order,
-------------
Also will work with
sort lines

I could not find an easy way to get "sort by each" to handle this, unless it
built a script local or global to hold the original 'x', so I just used an
array.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Tue Mar 20 18:12:37 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:12:37 +0000
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
In-Reply-To: <46005016.2050005@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C1AD531B-9FB9-44A9-B304-3333D6E63C91@looktowindward.com>	<0907B72F-C7AC-45BE-A0AE-44E66191EC17@maseurope.net>	<79d1bee70703200541u128471bdj2f49f5a52e735f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<DBA506E7-EE7A-40AD-A222-243D953347A8@looktowindward.com>
	<46005016.2050005@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <0B7508FE-98F2-455A-B2B7-C904BD1D40F5@azurevision.co.uk>

On 20 Mar 2007, at 21:20, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> 2. The memory leak is significant, but it only occurs in the IDE.  
> It isn't an engine problem.  When running the same script in the MC  
> IDE or as a standalone, there is no memory leak.

That's exactly what I found, which was why I hadn't got around to  
doing a proper report. Having my broadband connection go down over  
the last few days hasn't helped...

> I have submitted a bug report for Dave about this, and will update  
> it with this info. The bug number is #4558. Gotta thank Richard for  
> some heavy-duty sleuthing on this one.

Thanks to both of you!

Ian


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 18:24:31 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:24:31 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Do You Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <516051.81119.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"Anyone else see this? "

No, BUT, maybe because my experience with RunRev and
Ubuntu is restricted to running the Novell RR Free
version (2.2.1), and, for a short while, the DreamCard
2.6.1 Demo no "real" Pentium 3 machines.

HOWEVER:-

on my G4 "Wind Tunnel", my G4 Macmini, and Ubuntu the
response to key-commands is 'patchy' and seems to be
largely irrational - or, put it a more accurate way: I
haven't had the patience, time and inclination to
settle down to a major session to work out when and
when not key-commands work. What is also odd is, that
when key-commands are not working it is still possible
to type into the script-editor and text-fields.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Tue Mar 20 19:34:56 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 16:34:56 -0700
Subject: [TIP} co-sort variable 1 based on values in variable 2
In-Reply-To: <C225A200.4434F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C225BDB0.2359F%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/20/07 2:36 PM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I could not find an easy way to get "sort by each" to handle this, unless it
> built a script local or global to hold the original 'x', so I just used an
> array.

Hi, Jim.  Here's a way:

split varB by comma
sort items of varA descending by varB[itemOffset(each,varA)]

-- Dick




From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Mar 20 20:16:01 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:16:01 -0600
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c225e915d6d7@192.168.1.31>
References: <45FFFAF9.5000308@fourthworld.com>
	<E5D6FD59-D249-4624-B60E-1B98CF2417E5@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240802c225e915d6d7@192.168.1.31>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703201716v246051ffpccaff6014893f80b@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,

Yeah, I'm with Stephen about your *attitude*.

But, here's what I would suggest you trying:

Insert a wait 1 second with messages into your loop.

See if you're just not giving Rev enough time to garbage collect.

If it stops leaking, then you can adjust the time to wait. Don't forget the
"with messages" part!

-Chipp


From mark at maseurope.net  Tue Mar 20 15:52:05 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 19:52:05 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <D7496E7C-D1A7-4307-A422-3E18F61750B8@looktowindward.com>
References: <45FEA4B5.1030407@fourthworld.com>
	<1552BACA-CB89-4E38-A969-2448CE94027D@azurevision.co.uk>
	<621D4AD4-1C72-4D12-967F-BD017F5A82F6@looktowindward.com>
	<B312DA72-46F2-4554-A1E5-3D9B8B9A3725@maseurope.net>
	<34C35656-D023-44F6-86D5-1F9E9A4D942B@looktowindward.com>
	<CE642566-70AF-4462-A81B-C8B4B8BCCDBA@maseurope.net>
	<D7496E7C-D1A7-4307-A422-3E18F61750B8@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <49522C7A-8F2B-4324-9289-23CF0E388B43@maseurope.net>

On my machine it's showing Real:30-40 MB  VM:200-300 MB. It doesn't  
seem to change from beginning to end of the 1000 iterations...however  
many times I run it.

Rev 2.8.0, Mac 10.4.8, 1.5 Mhz G4 PB with 768 MB RAM. Standard Rev  
Studio installation with a few plugins loaded.

Mysterious.

Mark

On 20 Mar 2007, at 16:59, Dave wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have got it working so I don't get the file name problem (giving  
> an error at file N) but it still leaks like there is no tomorrow. I  
> have tried doing the "x  = " trick as well as well as taking out  
> the counter field altogether and it still leaks. I can't get it to  
> work beyond 2000 images and that is at one quarter size, if I make  
> them full size then I will have no chance!
>
> I've tried this on Intel and PowerPC Under Tiger and Panther and I  
> get the leak on both machines and both versions of the OS.
>
> When you run the stack, do you have the system activity monitor  
> running? If so after 1000 images how much RAM is allocated to  
> RunRev (Real and Physical) ? For me:
>
> Real Memory    Virtual Memory
> 887.14 MB                1.25 GB                        1000 Images
> 1.68 GB                     2.07 GB                        2000 Images
>
> At this point the system becomes unusable and RunRev will either  
> quit itself or you will have to quit or force quit.
>
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
>
> On 20 Mar 2007, at 16:20, Mark Smith wrote:
>
>> Dave, as I said, it's now working as you would hope, and I can't  
>> reproduce the problem.
>>
>> Just out of interest, in view of what was happening here before,  
>> have you tried putting "x=" & x into fld "counter", rather than  
>> just x?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 20 Mar 2007, at 16:05, Dave wrote:
>>
>>> This is the kind of thing I was experiencing. I think there may  
>>> be two related problems, although one may cause the other. When I  
>>> tested it, it would run up to file 288 and not write file 289. I  
>>> then started it at file 289 and it would go wrong on the first file.
>>> e.g. change your loop to read like this:
>>>
>>> put   <WHATEVER>  into myStartOffset
>>> repeat with x =  (1 + myStartOffset) to (1000 + myStartOffset)
>>>
>>> and see what happens.
>>
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Tue Mar 20 20:43:40 2007
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:43:40 -0400
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <OF638721BE.E2E7FC5D-ON852572A5.00034EE1@sealedair.com>

On 03/20/2007 at 03:34 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> I have Ubuntu installed under Parallels, and until I run Rev it's pretty 

> great.  Then I run Rev, and the whole system stops accepting input, both 

> keyboard and mouse.
> 
> Jacque tells me she has the same issue.
> 
> Anyone else see this?  Know of a solution?

I haven't used any Linux distro in Parallels for Mac, but I use it allot 
in Parallels for Windows, and I never see the behavior you describe with 
Rev. Suggestion: Try a Fedora Core 6 LiveCD. You will be pleasantly 
surprised that it is just as easy and fun as Ubuntu. :-)  Since the LiveCD 
boots into RAM, you can actually install Revolution and try it. Of course 
it will be gone when you reboot.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>



From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Tue Mar 20 21:15:41 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:15:41 -0700
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <45FF1A1A.4040607@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <00d301c76a76$dee54100$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
	<45FF1A1A.4040607@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <042a01c76b56$71cf50c0$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

> > Of you running on Linux, how many are using Rev with Ubuntu?
> 
> Me, as of yesterday. I'm not sure that counts yet, but it 
> probably will eventually.

Im sure everyone is compiling those technical questions already :-)

Best regards,

Lynn Fredricks
Worldwide Business Operations
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com
 



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 20 21:35:06 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 18:35:06 -0700
Subject: [TIP} co-sort variable 1 based on values in variable 2
In-Reply-To: <C225BDB0.2359F%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <C225D9DA.44382%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/20/07 4:34 PM, "Dick Kriesel" <dick.kriesel at mail.com> wrote:
> On 3/20/07 2:36 PM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I could not find an easy way to get "sort by each" to handle this, unless it
>> built a script local or global to hold the original 'x', so I just used an
>> array.
> Hi, Jim.  Here's a way:
> split varB by comma
> sort items of varA descending by varB[itemOffset(each,varA)]
> 
Great tip!!!
Far better than the variations that I was constructing.
Again, unique values need to be in each list, but that can work so many
places.  
One way of checking for this condition is to make your wonderful 2-liner
into ....

put the number of items in varB into iCount
>split varB by comma
put the number of lines in the keys of varB into kCount
if iCount <> kCount then
answer "duplicate varA item(s) found"
exit to top
end if

put the number of items in varA into iCount
get varA
split it by comma
put the number of lines in the keys of it into kCount
if iCount <> kCount then
answer "duplicate varA item(s) found"
exit to top
end if
> sort items of varA descending by varB[itemOffset(each,varA)]


Thanks!  and this is going in my scrapbook.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From wjm at wjm.org  Tue Mar 20 22:33:16 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:33:16 -0400
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
References: <4600454D.2000606@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <etq5hd$32k$1@sea.gmane.org>

Richard,

> I have Ubuntu installed under Parallels, and until I run Rev it's pretty 
> great.  Then I run Rev, and the whole system stops accepting input, both 
> keyboard and mouse.

Ubuntu is really flaky on the latest version of Parallels. Sorry but it's 
true. Rev worked more or less okay on earlier Parallels with Ubuntu. Still 
trying to get naked Ubuntu working on build 3188 of Parallels.

Ask them why they don't have a drop-down option for Ubuntu when setting up a 
virtual machine. I've tried both "Debian" and "Other 2.6 Kernel" with it and 
I get errors while booting the Live CD and can't even shut down reliably. 





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 20 22:47:52 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:47:52 -0500
Subject: [TIP} co-sort variable 1 based on values in variable 2
In-Reply-To: <C225A200.4434F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C225A200.4434F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46009CD8.5010206@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Ault wrote:

>  The basic idea is to sort varB by the values in varA using a temporary
> array.

Do you need to use an array? Would this do?:

   sort items of varB by itemOffset(each,varA)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Tue Mar 20 23:06:38 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 20:06:38 -0700
Subject: [TIP} co-sort variable 1 based on values in variable 2
In-Reply-To: <C225D9DA.44382%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C225EF4E.235AA%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/20/07 6:35 PM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks!  and this is going in my scrapbook.

You're welcome, Jim.  By the way, duplicates in your varB don't matter, so
you can do without checking for them.

-- Dick




From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Mar 20 23:15:05 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:15:05 -0600
Subject: Did you notice a change in the forums?
In-Reply-To: <1275324816.20070319225926@ahsoftware.net>
References: <010101c76988$d4e3b4f0$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
	<5374424B-D7D0-4323-A36E-6461CDEF2CEE@major-k.de>
	<3BADCEB0-7732-40FB-BF99-410AEA7ED567@byu.edu>
	<1275324816.20070319225926@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703202015h6811dfcetcd1e7d2989ed65aa@mail.gmail.com>

I guess it's either half-full or half-empty.

On 3/20/07, Mark Wieder <mwieder at ahsoftware.net> wrote:
>
> Devin-
>
> Monday, March 19, 2007, 8:41:09 AM, you wrote:
>
> > I think he means that you no longer have to log in to read the forums
> > (fora?). Only to post.
>
> ...and it took how many months of us (well, me at any rate) carping
> about why this should be done?
>
>


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 20 23:39:18 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 22:39:18 -0500
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <etq5hd$32k$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <4600454D.2000606@fourthworld.com> <etq5hd$32k$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <4600A8E6.2030909@hyperactivesw.com>

Bill Marriott wrote:

> Ubuntu is really flaky on the latest version of Parallels. Sorry but it's 
> true. Rev worked more or less okay on earlier Parallels with Ubuntu. Still 
> trying to get naked Ubuntu working on build 3188 of Parallels.
> 
> Ask them why they don't have a drop-down option for Ubuntu when setting up a 
> virtual machine. I've tried both "Debian" and "Other 2.6 Kernel" with it and 
> I get errors while booting the Live CD and can't even shut down reliably. 

I have the shutdown problem too, it hangs at "will halt now" and that's 
that. Then I just have to manually hit the Stop button. Otherwise it 
works semi-okay except after launching Rev or MC. The stacks actually 
run fine for a while, but the whole system becomes unresponsive soon 
after. The mouse moves, but no mouse or keyboard input is accepted.

Instructions I found on the web say to install on Parallels using "Other 
2.6 Kernel" so that's what I did. I also had problems with installation 
and had to build a couple of packages manually after rebooting.

I wish I had not updated to Parallels 3188 -- the older version was rock 
solid. I have had my WinXP image crash Parallels repeatedly too (even if 
I never launch Rev.) I sent them a handful of logs yesterday.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 21 00:19:09 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:19:09 -0700
Subject: [TIP} co-sort variable 1 based on values in variable 2
In-Reply-To: <C225EF4E.235AA%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <C226004D.4438F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Yes, your are correct.  as I typed my reply, I was thinking of my particular
situation where dups are not good, but the itemoffset only is applied to the
varA.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/20/07 8:06 PM, "Dick Kriesel" <dick.kriesel at mail.com> wrote:

> On 3/20/07 6:35 PM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks!  and this is going in my scrapbook.
> 
> You're welcome, Jim.  By the way, duplicates in your varB don't matter, so
> you can do without checking for them.




From wjm at wjm.org  Wed Mar 21 00:47:28 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:47:28 -0400
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
References: <4600454D.2000606@fourthworld.com> <etq5hd$32k$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<4600A8E6.2030909@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <etqdd5$qf$1@sea.gmane.org>

> I wish I had not updated to Parallels 3188 -- the older version was rock 
> solid. I have had my WinXP image crash Parallels repeatedly too (even if I 
> never launch Rev.) I sent them a handful of logs yesterday.

Yup, you're exactly right. Hopefully they'll mop up the spill in aisle 3188 
quickly. I have a feeling that most Rev users who venture into Linux will be 
doing so on their Intel Macs, running Ubuntu via Parallels.

My 2GB RAM upgrade -- $149.99 via NewEgg -- should arrive tomorrow. Planning 
to give the virtual machines a little more elbow room on my MacBook. 





From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 21 00:52:10 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:52:10 -0700
Subject: [TIP} co-sort variable 1 based on values in variable 2
In-Reply-To: <46009CD8.5010206@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C226080A.44394%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/20/07 7:47 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Jim Ault wrote:
>>  The basic idea is to sort varB by the values in varA using a temporary
>> array.
> Do you need to use an array? Would this do?:
>         sort items of varB by itemOffset(each,varA)

No.
The reason for the array is that we need to reorder the varA items by
sorting (descending) --> thus varB gets reordered accordingly.
 
In your example, the itemoffset(each,varA) will = 0 unless there is an item
in varA that matches one in varB.

Dick's version says (step-by-step)
itemoffset(each,varB) -- the position of the item in its own variable
varA[1] --return the item in varA that is in the same position
now sort by the returned values from varA

thus
  put "car,bike,VWvan,glider" into varA
  put "key,helmet,rubberband,hang" into of varB

split varA using cr and comma:
[1] car
[2] bike
[3] VWVan
[4] glider

then Rev builds the lists
itemoffset("key",varB) => 1 => varA[1] => car
itemoffset("helmet",varB) => 2 => varA[2] => bike
itemoffset("rubberband",varB) => 3 => varA[3] => VWVan
itemoffset("hang",varB) => 4 => varA[4] => glider

now Rev sorts by the returned values, descending text...
bike, car, glider,VWVan  <-- after sorting
thus 
helmet, key,hang, rubberband  --is the correct order

(a rubberband can be used as a fan belt in the VW)
the others make sense :-)
------
My version would build the varA array the long way
My version would not take advantage of using "each"
My version worked, but it ain't as good as Dick's, not even close.


Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 21 01:20:54 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:20:54 -0500
Subject: [TIP} co-sort variable 1 based on values in variable 2
In-Reply-To: <C226080A.44394%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C226080A.44394%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4600C0B6.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Ault wrote:

> In your example, the itemoffset(each,varA) will = 0 unless there is an item
> in varA that matches one in varB.

Right, I thought that's what you were after. Guess not. I think I still 
haven't groked what you are trying to do, but that's okay -- you 
understand it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bvg at mac.com  Wed Mar 21 02:22:44 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:22:44 +0100
Subject: RSS aggregator stack
Message-ID: <8c72f481c14c8316462929ecaaf36ba3@mac.com>

I made this stack as celebration for the RunRev company forums (fora?) 
finally being opened to the public (after one year of elitarism).
Bonus: I learned some XML in the process!
I adjusted it to work (somewhat) with wordpress based blog's (as I use 
that), and of course the forum of runrev.
Use at your own risk. Sadly, there's no documentation at all.

http://bjoernke.com/runrev/stacks.php
http://bjoernke.com/stacks/rss_reader.rev


-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 21 03:54:08 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 00:54:08 -0700
Subject: [TIP} co-sort variable 1 based on values in variable 2
In-Reply-To: <4600C0B6.1070500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C22632B0.4439C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/20/07 10:20 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Jim Ault wrote:
>> In your example, the itemoffset(each,varA) will = 0 unless there is an item
>> in varA that matches one in varB.
> 
> Right, I thought that's what you were after. Guess not. I think I still
> haven't groked what you are trying to do, but that's okay -- you
> understand it.

It is pretty simple actually, and here is an example.

Let's say one list you have last names, in another, their telephone numbers
in the same order.  You need to keep two separate lists, but you would like
both sorted to the same order, according to the last names.

In my program, building the lists does not occur in the final desired order,
so a final sort of both lists is required.  The catch is getting the phone
numbers to sort according to the same order as the names.
--this works--
put lastNames into tempNames
split tempNames by cr
sort lines of phNums by tempNames[lineoffset(each,phNums)]
sort lastNames
--now both are in the same order

or in my case, items on a single line in both variables:

split tempNames by comma
sort items of phNums by tempNames [itemoffset(each,phNums)]

Not that you wanted to know,
but the variables in my Rev app are actually two double-nested arrays that
need to be synchronized so that when they become Flash variables, the user
interface performs smoothly and accurately.  "Sort Items" works perfectly.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From r.venzl-schubert at t-online.de  Wed Mar 21 04:29:20 2007
From: r.venzl-schubert at t-online.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:29:20 +0100
Subject: How to deinstall rev 2.8.0 on a mac?
In-Reply-To: <20070312013741.869CA488FFE@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070312013741.869CA488FFE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3FB46673-4D00-4581-AA58-F657A96F4C01@t-online.de>

Hi Bill

> I had some problems when I upgraded maybe you have the same?
>
> Did you move your SQLite database to the new folder which is named
> 2.8.0-gm-2 and put it beside the new copy of runrev there?
>
>
> Did you also change the file path for the connect scripts??
>
>   put "/Applications/Revolution Studio/2.8.0-gm-2/shipping.db" into
> tDBA["FilePath"]
>
>
> None of this is automatic when you upgrade.

My SQLite database is in an own folder.
In the stackscript of my program I wrote this script:

   put the effective filename of this stack into genCardPath
   set the itemdel to slash
   delete last item of genCardPath
   set the directory to genCardPath

I connect the program to the database with the cardscript. It uses  
the directory.
Maybe rev 2.8.0 do not understand this code!?

I did not try to change my code. I threw rev 2.8.0 in the wastebasket  
instantly.
Better waiting for 2.8.3 than changing code I worked for month on ;-)

But when I installed rev 2.8.0 I was asked if I want to use the new  
version and I agreed.

When I launch rev 2.7.4 first I can open my program without trouble  
with "Open Recent File".
I also can drag the icon of my program onto the icon of rev 2.7.4.
But when I doubleclick my program I get the error message:
(my translation for german)

   The process could not be finished
   An unknown error has occurred (error - 10660)

I think when I deleted rev 2.8.0 I deleted the signpost for MacOS  
inadvertently.
I tried to change it in MacOS but it did not help :-(

Reinhold

Am 12.03.2007 um 02:37 schrieb use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com:

> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 19:13:38 -0400
> From: Bill <bill at bluewatermaritime.com>
> Subject: Re: How to deinstall rev 2.8.0 on a mac?
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Message-ID: <C21A0562.2F8D7%bill at bluewatermaritime.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi Reinhold
>
>
> Bill
>
>
> On 3/11/07 6:52 PM, "Reinhold Venzl-Schubert" <r.venzl-schubert at t- 
> online.de>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> With rev 2.8.0 my learningprogram do not connect to the SQLite  
>> Datebase.
>> Therefore I deleted rev 2.8.0 to use rev 2.7.4 again.
>> But when I start my program (it is not a standalone) I get a error.
>> I think my mac is looking for the deleted rev 2.8.0.
>> How can I tell my mac to start my program with rev 2.7.4 as before.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Reinhold
>> _______________________________________________
>



From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar 21 04:32:42 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:32:42 +0000
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
Message-ID: <200703210832.43172.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Can you do it with a text editor and regular expressions?  I'm genuinely 
diffident about asking, because you all have so much more experience that if 
it were this easy, you'd have suggested it.  But anyway, is there something 
wrong with the following?

I made up a fragment of a file like this in the form
02-Mar-92sometext01-Sep-04somemore text........and a few more entries of the 
same sort.

Then opened it in Kate (but presumably all programming editors have similar 
functionality?)

Then did a match with regular expressions in the Find part of the menu.  It 
helped construct the following expression:

[\d][\d]-[\D][\D][\D]-[\d][\d]

which really would not have been so very hard to figure out unaided - a 
classic case of the obligatory gui getting in the way of your typing.  This 
picks up all dates and it obviously misses other hyphenated expressions.

Then in the replace section I put

Enter\0

It uses the \0 as backwards reference, so to include all the found string in 
the replacement.

The only hard part, all of ten seconds, was that I didn't seem able to enter a 
line feed character directly, like by \n for instance, but I just copied and 
pasted one and bingo, it worked fine.  I ended up with a bunch of lines like 
this:

02-Mar-92sometext
01-Sep-04somemore text..    and so on.

Was that what was wanted?

This was almost instant.  I guess if I'd a lot to do, I would think of an awk 
one liner, but have forgotten how to do backward references in awk.  And it 
would be even more embarrassing to have both got the above all wrong and to 
also cite duff awk scripts!

Peter


From r.venzl-schubert at t-online.de  Wed Mar 21 04:45:47 2007
From: r.venzl-schubert at t-online.de (Reinhold Venzl-Schubert)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:45:47 +0100
Subject: How to deinstall rev 2.8.0 on a mac?
In-Reply-To: <20070312013741.869CA488FFE@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070312013741.869CA488FFE@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <615DB1DA-181F-4219-82CB-1BF60EE0A8EA@t-online.de>

Hi Sarah,

>> With rev 2.8.0 my learningprogram do not connect to the SQLite  
>> Datebase.
>> Therefore I deleted rev 2.8.0 to use rev 2.7.4 again.
>> But when I start my program (it is not a standalone) I get a error.
>> I think my mac is looking for the deleted rev 2.8.0.
>> How can I tell my mac to start my program with rev 2.7.4 as before.
>
> In your Applications folder, you will see a folder called "Revolution
> Studio" or "Revolution Enterprise". In there are the sub-folders for
> each version e.g. "2.8.0-gm-3", some folders used by all versions and
> an alias to the version of the application you are currently using.
> Maybe the alias is pointing to the wrong application, in which case
> you can delete it and create a new one.

There was no alias at all. But when I reinstalled 2.7.4 I saw it.

> Or, if Revolution starts OK but the problem occurs in your stack, then
> maybe you have hard-wired a path into a script in your stack. If you
> could email in a copy of the error message, we might have some more
> detailed suggestions.

Now it works well.

Thank you
Reinhold


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 21 04:57:18 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 01:57:18 -0700
Subject: FormattedText and Unicode
Message-ID: <4600F36E.9080309@fourthworld.com>

How does one get the formattedText of a field that contains Unicode?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar 21 05:03:06 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:03:06 +0000
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <4600A8E6.2030909@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4600454D.2000606@fourthworld.com> <etq5hd$32k$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<4600A8E6.2030909@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <200703210903.06596.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

The problem with running on MacIntels in Parallels is, that virtualisation on 
Macs cannot be the future Linux market for Rev.  The market has to be, 
assuming it exists,  people running Linux on off-the-shelf PCs.

So I would get a cheap base unit and a kvm, and put a few distros on in 
multiboot mode - Suse, Fedora, Debian proper, Ubuntu, a Slackware derivative 
like Zenwalk or Slackware itself.  I agree with Richmond in finding Puppy 
very impressive, but wonder how many people are really using it in anger.

My own experience is, there are significant differences running Rev on 
Mandriva 32 and on Debian.  Not all the fonts work properly on Debian.  And 
on Debian, both 32 bit on a laptop and 64 bit on desktop, though not on 
Mandriva, I get periodic extreme slowdowns in both the script editor and the 
dictionary.  Haven't been able to track down why.

Peter


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 21 05:27:03 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:27:03 -0700
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
In-Reply-To: <200703210832.43172.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C2264877.443A5%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/21/07 1:32 AM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> Can you do it with a text editor and regular expressions?  I'm genuinely
> diffident about asking, because you all have so much more experience that if
> it were this easy, you'd have suggested it.
<full text below>

My basic approach for this kind of question is to assume that users have
very little experience with regular expressions combined with knowing very
little about the data set they are mining.

Also, the question they actually ask on the list is just one part of the
over-all task.  Given these three things, I like to propose tools that let
them "see" some of the pit falls that making incorrect assumptions about the
date can create.  One pit fall is assuming all occurrences of the date
string will be correctly formatted and intact.

I guess I look at it as 'what will help them build a tool they can trust'.

Don't get me wrong, I like and use regEx in a few of my apps for effectively
extracting clean data from a variety of web sites. I like its power and
flexibility.

As you say, if the user already knew some of the simpler regEx, the question
probably would not have appeared on the list.

I cannot speak for others on the list, but it seems that those who venture
into regEx only occasionally, get frustrated and are better off using the
chunking expressions of Rev.  Even when presented with a good regEx answer,
they are not sure what they are looking at.

By the way, nulls will make MatchText, etc fail, so "replace null with empty
in textBlock" needs to be part of the process for unknown data sources.

As far as using a text editor, that is usually my first step.  I like BBEdit
on an OSX platform, so I agree with your basic premise, start simple and
build up.

Nice to know you are paying attention to the big picture  :-)
Good post.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/21/07 1:32 AM, "Peter Alcibiades" <palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

> Can you do it with a text editor and regular expressions?  I'm genuinely
> diffident about asking, because you all have so much more experience that if
> it were this easy, you'd have suggested it.  But anyway, is there something
> wrong with the following?
> 
> I made up a fragment of a file like this in the form
> 02-Mar-92sometext01-Sep-04somemore text........and a few more entries of the
> same sort.
> 
> Then opened it in Kate (but presumably all programming editors have similar
> functionality?)
> 
> Then did a match with regular expressions in the Find part of the menu.  It
> helped construct the following expression:
> 
> [\d][\d]-[\D][\D][\D]-[\d][\d]
> 
> which really would not have been so very hard to figure out unaided - a
> classic case of the obligatory gui getting in the way of your typing.  This
> picks up all dates and it obviously misses other hyphenated expressions.
> 
> Then in the replace section I put
> 
> Enter\0
> 
> It uses the \0 as backwards reference, so to include all the found string in
> the replacement.
> 
> The only hard part, all of ten seconds, was that I didn't seem able to enter a
> line feed character directly, like by \n for instance, but I just copied and
> pasted one and bingo, it worked fine.  I ended up with a bunch of lines like
> this:
> 
> 02-Mar-92sometext
> 01-Sep-04somemore text..    and so on.
> 
> Was that what was wanted?
> 
> This was almost instant.  I guess if I'd a lot to do, I would think of an awk
> one liner, but have forgotten how to do backward references in awk.  And it
> would be even more embarrassing to have both got the above all wrong and to
> also cite duff awk scripts!
> 
> Peter




From jmyepes at mac.com  Wed Mar 21 05:46:55 2007
From: jmyepes at mac.com (Josep)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 02:46:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Sending Web Queries to Excel
In-Reply-To: <45FF05A8.80706@deepfoo.com>
References: <45FF05A8.80706@deepfoo.com>
Message-ID: <9590469.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi list,

Thanks Bryan for sending the link and thanks Ken to build and offer these
cool pieces of code. :) 
The script to exchange data Rev <> Excel is great.

Thanks again,
Josep



Bryan McCormick wrote:
> 
> I have been looking at Ken Ray's scripts for exchanging data from a 
> worksheet to and from RunRev and Excel.
> 
> I also see that Gary Rathbone had a tutorial on Web Queries and Excel 
> but I cannot find that information anywhere on it (Gary site appears to 
> be gone). Does anyone have any idea where this is?
> 
> I'd appreciate guidance on how to send the query in VB form to Excel. I 
> can see how to get the data back once it is on a sheet, so that isn't an 
>   issue.
> 
> The reason for needing to send the query in script form is that there is 
> a requirement to do a large batch. I could do it all in Excel, but as it 
> turns out munging the data is actually a lot easier once it is in RunRev.
> 
> Thanks so much.
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Wed Mar 21 06:10:08 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:10:08 +0100
Subject: FormattedText and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <4600F36E.9080309@fourthworld.com>
References: <4600F36E.9080309@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <159745C1-3697-41C4-A3F6-FE201ECCACDF@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richard,

When you examin the formattedText, some characters will appear to  
have lost the neighbouring NULLs. Check these characters and add the  
NULLs to get the original unicodeText. Now you can set the  
unicodeText of another field or save your data to a file.

There are other possibilities, each of them taking their own tricks.  
Feel free to contact me off-list about that.

Best,

Mark

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Op 21-mrt-2007, om 9:57 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven:

> How does one get the formattedText of a field that contains Unicode?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar 21 06:24:13 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:24:13 +0000
Subject: MatchText, MatchChunk and the needle in the haystack
In-Reply-To: <C2264877.443A5%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2264877.443A5%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200703211024.13690.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

There is a wonderful book I just found for this sort of thing, and am working 
through:  Minimal Perl, by Tim Maher.  

Awk is great, terse, powerful, but a bit opaque.  And more up to date people 
always seem to talk about using Perl for what awk always was used for.  Well, 
if you ever felt you too should come up to date, got tired of pitying looks 
when you mentioned awk, took up some materials on Perl and then threw up your 
hands in despair, get Minimal Perl.  Clear, practical, easy, and with a focus 
on one liners of exactly the sort that you'd use in the situation on this 
thread. 

You could call it 'Perl for the rest of us'....  Text manipulation without 
tears.

Peter


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 21 07:27:29 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:27:29 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Do You Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <854954.41040.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry, Peter, it is Bob Warren who finds Puppy
impressive.

I played around with Puppy about 2 years ago when I
"went for Linux" and downloaded about 25 different
distros and put an old Pentium 3 through a weekly
reformat until it choked! At the time I was not
particulalrly taken with Puppy - but, as we are all
aware; a week is a long time in the software world,
and 2 years is a hell of a long time.

When I have to use internet cafes (like the last time
I popped down to Istanbul) I boot the machine up with
"Wanderer" so none of the pimply Herberts who
generally run internet cafes can "suck" out my
passwords and so forth after I have left. I carry a
CDR of Wanderer around in my pocket; it is also useful
for testing out clients' internet connexions without
having to muck up their settings before it is clear
what the problem is.

I, also, follow Damn Small Linux quite closely,
although it is a bit of a coterie distro.

As I stated before, I rather like Flux-box (hence DSL)
and XFCE ( so, at present fooling around with Ubuntu
with XFCE slapped on top - which, to my mind is better
than Xubuntu straight off the disk ).

I noticed several remarks about Red Hat, Slackware and
so forth - however, my focus (and, it should always be
remembered that everybody's opinion about Linux is
going to be heavily coloured by what they want to do
with it) is small businesses who run 1 to 5 PCs and
their workers who no nothing about PCs and just want
"a box with 'Office' and an internet browser".

Having said the above I should also like to make a
point which has wasted a lot of my time in the past:

I always ask a client what s/he wants their PC to do -
and they give me a fairly basic list - I then install
the system - they then tell me they want digital
certificates for banking,card readers, blah, blah,
blah - and, why didn't I install all this at the start
- I shout at them - they shout at me - I spend 3 more
days poodling around shoving WINE and IE for Linux on
their system, 57 more code libraries - and they don't
feel they have to pay me for the extra work - I shout
at them - they shout at me - and so on . . .

So my new policy is to spend 2 - 3 hours 'playing'
with their existing Windows system (i.e. the one I am
about to replace) and seeing what is there - because
clients are rather like patients who go to the doctor
and say they have a pain in the back - but have
something else, somewhere else, which causes that
symptom.

Oh, My God, its that time of the month again, I'm up
on my soap-box!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Wed Mar 21 08:26:17 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 12:26:17 +0000
Subject: waiting 5 months for Monterey DVD
Message-ID: <AA3A4978-50D2-4DF9-96CF-0966BCEB29A3@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

In October 2006 RunRev had a promotional offer - renew your license  
and get the Monterey DVD for half-price.  Because of my back problem,  
it's hard for me to travel, and I'd been considering buying that DVD  
for a while.  So I took them up on the offer, even though my license  
for Revolution did not expire until March 2007.

After 10 weeks of waiting (and numerous emails), I gave up on  
receiving the DVD and asked for a refund.  I was told they would give  
me a refund for the cost of the DVD, but another four weeks passed  
and I still didn't receive the DVD or the refund, so I asked a second  
time for a refund.  The refund eventually took place and by way of  
apology, I was told I would receive the DVD anyway in a week or so.   
That was 5 weeks ago, and still no DVD.

I remember some years ago there was some disaster with users  
purchasing printed docs that took months to arrive, and there have  
been other printing let-downs.  I specifically decided against buying  
the printed docs following those disasters.  But I fail to see how  
any of the excuses made for printing disasters in the past can apply  
to the copying of a DVD.  Even worse, runrev seem to have no ability  
to set customers' expectations about delays - not once did they take  
the initiative and inform me that there was going to be some delay.   
In the same 5 month period I've bought over 20 items online from  
different suppliers - some even being sent from the US to the UK.   
All were received within the time specified, and in every case the  
communications were faultless.  It looks to me like Runrev are so  
used to money just rolling in from license renewals that they give no  
consideration to maintaining good customer relations.  A couple of  
times during this period I emailed the CEO to let him know how  
disastrous their customer relations are.  It didn't make any  
difference, although one time he was kind enough to actually reply.

I've given up on the empty promises from runrev, so I'm writing to  
see if others share my experience.  Am I the only person to be  
waiting 5 months for this DVD?

It's a shame.  The value of Revolution as a development tool and the  
amazing assistance of the users of this group is marred by the  
incompetence of Runrev the company.   Whilst I've been waiting for  
this DVD, Runrev invited me to pay for and endure an 800 mile round- 
trip to visit their offices to attend a user group, but they can't  
get their basic customer relations right.   Clearly their priorities  
are totally off-course.   And if they can't copy and mail a DVD, I  
don't think anyone should expect them to be able to organize any  
future RevCon.

Bernard


From kevin at runrev.com  Wed Mar 21 09:17:01 2007
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:17:01 +0000
Subject: waiting 5 months for Monterey DVD
In-Reply-To: <AA3A4978-50D2-4DF9-96CF-0966BCEB29A3@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <C226E0CD.4B464%kevin@runrev.com>

Hi Bernard,

I'm sorry that we let you down.  We did have several problems with these
DVDs at various stages including initially getting a version that was
suitable to ship, they have since been sent out.  I appreciate this service
was unacceptable and so we issued refunds to anyone who asked for one.  I
have personally checked that your DVD was sent.  I'm sure its of little
consolation on this occasion but the person who was responsible for shipping
in our company is no longer with us.

If you or anyone else affected wants to continue this discussion, please
feel free to contact me directly.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller ~ kevin at runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools



From 3mcgrath at adelphia.net  Wed Mar 21 09:24:20 2007
From: 3mcgrath at adelphia.net (Thomas McGrath III)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:24:20 -0400
Subject: Did you notice a change in the forums?
In-Reply-To: <010101c76988$d4e3b4f0$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
References: <010101c76988$d4e3b4f0$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <13C5F323-E962-4801-BE08-365B91C4FC7A@adelphia.net>


On Mar 18, 2007, at 2:11 PM, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Anyone notice any changes in the forums? :-)

There are forums? ;=)

>
> Best regards,
>
> Lynn Fredricks
> Worldwide Business Operations
> Runtime Revolution Ltd

Thomas J McGrath III
3mcgrath at adelphia.net

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From henk at iglow-media.nl  Wed Mar 21 10:35:23 2007
From: henk at iglow-media.nl (Henk van der Velden)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:35:23 +0100
Subject: unknown software exception
Message-ID: <4721A705-87DC-4C9A-89CD-3A09830BBDF0@iglow-media.nl>

Good day all,

Currently we are testing a new application on a couple of schools. On  
some of these schools we get a system error (Win XP):

unknown software exception (0xc0000094) has occurred on location  
0X004d453d

I thought maybe I could trap a handler or function that causes the  
bug. Strange thing is handlers seem to run nicely even though the  
system has thrown up this error message??

Searching the internet didn't help me much. Although the error has  
1000 hits on Google, there is no clear answer as to what causes this  
error or how to fix it.

So my question to the list:
- is anyone acquainted with this specific error? Any tips?
- what's the best way to go on from here? Is there any general advice  
as to how this sort of error can be debugged (remember these are  
school computers, so messing up with the configuration is no option)?

Kind regards,

Henk
--------------------------
Henk v.d. Velden
iGlow Media
Magda Janssenslaan 36
3584 GR  UTRECHT
Netherlands

0031 (0)6 16 024 337
www.iglow-media.nl





From wdesmet at wanadoo.nl  Wed Mar 21 10:38:29 2007
From: wdesmet at wanadoo.nl (William de Smet)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:38:29 +0100
Subject: unknown software exception
In-Reply-To: <4721A705-87DC-4C9A-89CD-3A09830BBDF0@iglow-media.nl>
References: <4721A705-87DC-4C9A-89CD-3A09830BBDF0@iglow-media.nl>
Message-ID: <b016f13e0703210738i6e64a96ay541eac25d2a98786@mail.gmail.com>

Hi  Henk,

Maybe it's related to Explorer 7.
We had the same thing with an application.
Re-installing Explorer 7 solved the problem.

greetings,

WIlliam de Smet

2007/3/21, Henk van der Velden <henk at iglow-media.nl>:
> Good day all,
>
> Currently we are testing a new application on a couple of schools. On
> some of these schools we get a system error (Win XP):
>
> unknown software exception (0xc0000094) has occurred on location
> 0X004d453d
>
> I thought maybe I could trap a handler or function that causes the
> bug. Strange thing is handlers seem to run nicely even though the
> system has thrown up this error message??
>
> Searching the internet didn't help me much. Although the error has
> 1000 hits on Google, there is no clear answer as to what causes this
> error or how to fix it.
>
> So my question to the list:
> - is anyone acquainted with this specific error? Any tips?
> - what's the best way to go on from here? Is there any general advice
> as to how this sort of error can be debugged (remember these are
> school computers, so messing up with the configuration is no option)?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Henk
> --------------------------
> Henk v.d. Velden
> iGlow Media
> Magda Janssenslaan 36
> 3584 GR  UTRECHT
> Netherlands
>
> 0031 (0)6 16 024 337
> www.iglow-media.nl
>
>
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar 21 10:38:53 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:38:53 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c225e915d6d7@[192.168.1.31]>
References: <45FFFAF9.5000308@fourthworld.com>
	<E5D6FD59-D249-4624-B60E-1B98CF2417E5@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240802c225e915d6d7@[192.168.1.31]>
Message-ID: <62A0F132-080A-45F0-9234-5E98192F815A@looktowindward.com>


On 20 Mar 2007, at 20:44, Stephen Barncard wrote:

>>> Dave wrote:
>>
>> Where does it say this in their product advertising? I must have  
>> missed that bit.
>
>
> you know  very well they wouldn't say that, neither would you.

Not sure what you mean here, but I thought it important to to make  
this crystal clear.

If I were selling a product like RunRev and I did not have the  
resources to test it on all the Platforms it shipped on, then I would  
say that in all my advertising and on my web site etc. etc. etc. What  
I wouldn't do is to not say a word anywhere and continue to advertise  
like all platforms are fully tested. To me that is dishonest and  
unprofessional.

>>> RunRev can help by having Beta cycles whose length is more in  
>>> keeping with industry norms, but the actual testing can't be done  
>>> by them; there are just too many possibilities.
>>
>> I'd be happy to test it for them. How much are they paying?
>
> Unless you are trying to be funny, that sounds like you still don't  
> get what Rev and this support community is about. Of course they  
> can't pay you - why are you saying this? You know they only have x  
> amount of resources - for me this support model really rocks - much  
> better than other methods...

Ok, if they don't have enough money to pay me now, then they can owe  
it to me, and, *if* and when they do make lots of money they can pay  
me then. How does that sound? I would charge ?15.00 per hour, that's  
a lot cheaper than they are advertising their consultancy services  
for! Presumably the people at RunRev are getting paid a good salary  
or if not are being rewarded in terms of shares and/or the promise of  
money if and when they hit the big time.

All the Best
Dave







From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 21 10:44:10 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:44:10 -0700
Subject: [OT] John Backus, 1924-2007
Message-ID: <460144BA.6060100@fourthworld.com>


John Backus, whose development of the Fortran programming language in 
the 1950s changed how people interacted with computers and paved the way 
for modern software, has died. He was 82.

Backus died Saturday in Ashland, Ore., according to IBM Corp., where he 
spent his career.

Prior to Fortran, computers had to be meticulously "hand-coded" ? 
programmed in the raw strings of digits that triggered actions inside 
the machine. Fortran was a "high-level" language because it abstracted 
that work ? it let programmers enter commands in a more intuitive 
system, which the computer would translate into machine code on its own.

"It was just a quantum leap. It changed the game in a way that has only 
happened two or three times in the computer industry," said Jim Horning, 
a longtime programmer who co-chairs the Association for Computing 
Machinery's award committee.

That organization gave Backus its 1977 Turing Award, one of the 
industry's highest accolades. Backus also won a National Medal of 
Science in 1975 and got the 1993 Charles Stark Draper Prize, the top 
honor from the National Academy of Engineering.

"Much of my work has come from being lazy," Backus told Think, the IBM 
employee magazine, in 1979. "I didn't like writing programs, and so, 
when I was working on the IBM 701 (an early computer), writing programs 
for computing missile trajectories, I started work on a programming 
system to make it easier to write programs."
...
Known as a maverick who preferred jeans to IBM's buttoned-up, 
conservative style, Backus stayed with the company until his retirement 
in 1991. Among his other important contributions was a method for 
describing the particular grammar of computer languages. The system came 
to be known as Backus-Naur Form.

<http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/obit_backus;_ylt=AkZnB6duPP4XzG_.f8TAK0YDW7oF>

-- 
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  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 21 10:55:47 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 07:55:47 -0700
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <46014773.4020801@fourthworld.com>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:
> The problem with running on MacIntels in Parallels is, that virtualisation on 
> Macs cannot be the future Linux market for Rev.  The market has to be, 
> assuming it exists,  people running Linux on off-the-shelf PCs.

Virtualization isn't so much a market-shifter as a convenience for those 
who need to run multiple operating systems, such as us Rev developers, 
Web developers, and folks stuck in old-world offices that have 
"standardized" on a particular OS.

The market for virtualization will always be relatively small, since 
we're looking at a fairly small subset of users who need to run multiple 
OSes frequently enough that such convenience matters.

So of course if Linux is to gain marketshare it'll have to do so by 
focusing on physical installations.  But since those who benefit most 
from virtualization are developers who port between platforms, it 
benefits the Linux community to assist Parallels in accomplishing this 
smoothly.  Happy developers means more apps, and more apps mean happy 
end-users.

The true problem with running Linux in Parallels seems like merely a 
small technical glitch that can likely be fixed soon after it gets the 
attention of the engineers at Parallels Inc.

Since the input issue seems related to Rev, there may be something the 
folks at RunRev might do to help that along.

Anyone know if the input has been posted to BZ?

I was going to do so, but frankly since I installed the latest release 
of Parallels I'm no longer seeing that issue, only the one in which the 
VM won't shut down fully.

If one of you have a reliable recipe for the input issue I'll gladly 
vote for it.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From heather at runrev.com  Wed Mar 21 10:55:58 2007
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:55:58 +0000
Subject: waiting 5 months for Monterey DVD
Message-ID: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>

Dear Bernard,

I'm very sorry that things reached such a pass that you felt it  
necessary to vent your feelings on the list. Normally the best  
channel for this type of complaint would be via support, we take all  
such communications seriously and act on them. Here is how we have  
acted on your previous complaints via support:

Since this is now a list topic, I'd like to take this opportunity to  
let you all know that we are currently setting up a dedicated  
shipping department, precisely because the shipping of the DVD became  
such a saga. It became very clear that we need a complete, integrated  
solution for shipping any item we may require, in a timely and  
accountable manner, and this is exactly what we are going to have. I  
anticipate that we will have this solution up and running within a  
few weeks, and this kind of poor service will never happen again.

Historically, we have focussed on items that shipped via direct  
download. Physical shipping has not been a core part of our business.  
As we have grown, that has gradually changed, and we are now at the  
point where we need a dedicated service. That is what we are going to  
provide.

I'd like to think that we always have been a responsive, responsible  
company, that we have always listened to our customers, that we  
continue to listen to our customers, and that the service we provide  
continues to improve over time. Yes, we make mistakes. Yes, we  
screwed up over this DVD. When that happens, we take action and  
things change.

Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com





From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar 21 11:11:14 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:11:14 +0000
Subject: Export Snapshot PNG Workaround
In-Reply-To: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
References: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <733CCFC0-AC2E-489F-BB6B-F799EE3B4D47@looktowindward.com>

Hi All,

Thought I'd share the workaround.

With a lot of help from Jacque I have managed to figure out a work  
around. There were actually three separate problems and acted  
together to make it hard to figure out what the problem is.

Problem 1.

The following statement will cause an error after an unknown number  
of files have been written.

     export snapshot from group "GroupCounter" to file myFileName as PNG

The work around is to use this form instead:

      put the windowID of this stack into myWindowID
      put the rect of "myGroup" into myRect
      export snapshot from rect myRect of window myWindowID to file  
myFileName as PNG

This stops the error occurring and allows you to move on to the next  
problem.

Problem 2.

Using the export snapshot command under the IDE results in memory  
being leaked on each image exported.

The work around is to Compile the App into a Standalone and test  
using a smaller number of files.


Problem 3.

RunRev does not garbage collect until after a handler returns.

The work around is to have two handers and use the timed send command  
process a smaller number of images at time.

Once you put all three of these together, you can write lots of images.

Thanks a lot to everyone that helped on this.
All the Best
Dave



From bvg at mac.com  Wed Mar 21 11:17:29 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:17:29 +0100
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <62A0F132-080A-45F0-9234-5E98192F815A@looktowindward.com>
References: <45FFFAF9.5000308@fourthworld.com>
	<E5D6FD59-D249-4624-B60E-1B98CF2417E5@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240802c225e915d6d7@[192.168.1.31]>
	<62A0F132-080A-45F0-9234-5E98192F815A@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <dde34b9b3b4036f5dfae0aa03d9c221f@mac.com>

On 21 Mar 2007, at 15:38, Dave wrote:

>
> On 20 Mar 2007, at 20:44, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>>>> Dave wrote:
>>>> RunRev can help by having Beta cycles whose length is more in 
>>>> keeping with industry norms, but the actual testing can't be done 
>>>> by them; there are just too many possibilities.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to test it for them. How much are they paying?
>>
>> Unless you are trying to be funny, that sounds like you still don't 
>> get what Rev and this support community is about. Of course they 
>> can't pay you - why are you saying this? You know they only have x 
>> amount of resources - for me this support model really rocks - much 
>> better than other methods...
>
> Ok, if they don't have enough money to pay me now, then they can owe 
> it to me, and, *if* and when they do make lots of money they can pay 
> me then. How does that sound? I would charge ?15.00 per hour, that's a 
> lot cheaper than they are advertising their consultancy services for! 
> Presumably the people at RunRev are getting paid a good salary or if 
> not are being rewarded in terms of shares and/or the promise of money 
> if and when they hit the big time.

I do agree with Dave's general direction (if not with the way he 
expresses it). We all pay RunRev money so they can produce a good 
product. It's not our duty nor our responsibility to do any testing on 
their behave. Actually it should be the other way around. If there's a 
bug we should get an easy accessible list of workarounds, until the bug 
is fixed with the next release of Rev, of course in addition to every 
Feature anyone requested.

On the other hand there's the open source approach. Users don't pay to 
use software, they commit time and effort to make the product better, 
so their own stuff based on the open source software gets better. Every 
user always puts equal effort into the open source foundation as into 
his own project. Bugs are fixed within minutes of their discovery, and 
every feature a user needs is implemented by that same user within even 
less time.

But alas this world is not perfection wonderland, bugs are hard to find 
and to track down, feature additions make a product complicated, and 
aggravate people who are used to the old way. RunRev is walking a 
middle ground here. In my opinion, it's crucial for their future to not 
adopt the worst of both the commercial way and the open source way, but 
to work out a methodic to get the strengths of both worlds. That is not 
easy for such a small company, but if they have a clear vision about 
how they want to interact with their customers, then it is possible.

Specifically, Bugzilla is a workaround for having no clue where bugs 
come from. Customers that find a bug are asked to make an effort to 
increase the product they paid for, and these bugs could linger for 
years due to time constrains. Unfortunately for everyone involved, 
that's how RunRev's software currently works.
The existing system does not rock in any way. It's a patch on reality 
forced upon everyone by legacy, money and priority management, not more 
and not less.

In hopes for a constructive discussion
Bj?rnke von Gierke

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 21 11:28:01 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:28:01 -0700
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
Message-ID: <46014F01.8080406@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:
> If I were selling a product like RunRev and I did not have the  
> resources to test it on all the Platforms it shipped on, then I would  
> say that in all my advertising and on my web site etc. etc. etc. What  
> I wouldn't do is to not say a word anywhere and continue to advertise  
> like all platforms are fully tested. To me that is dishonest and  
> unprofessional.

I suppose it would be, but that has nothing to do with what I wrote.

Let me refresh your memory:

    I'm glad you recognize that it's up to us to test
    the specific implementations we use Rev for.  The
    combinatorial explosion of all possible uses would
    make it impossible for RunRev to do that.

I never said Rev doesn't test on the platforms they deploy to. That's 
just silly.  I said that it's not possible to test the nearly infinite 
variety of things that can be done with a tool so flexible.

Only the most trivial applications make it possible for the vendor to
test all possible uses firsthand.

My WebMerge product has a modest 5GL with fewer than two dozen tokens,
and yet even with that the combinatorial explosion means that only a
subset are able to be tested here before release.  All others rely on
Beta testing.  Since our support costs are less than a fourth of 
industry average we must be doing something right, but still from time 
to time we have valid bug reports come on from customers for scenarios 
we hadn't tested.  My recent thread on the "token" token came from one, 
but it's worth noting that the bug hadn't been evidenced in any 
real-world workflow for more than five years.

Imagine how disappointed my customers would be if I held back the 
benefits my software delivers while I attempt to test all possible usage 
scenarios.

The same goes with any software.


Your comment about expecting payment for testing was equally snarky:

>> RunRev can help by having Beta cycles whose length is more in  
>> keeping with industry norms, but the actual testing can't be done  
>> by them; there are just too many possibilities.
>>
> I'd be happy to test it for them. How much are they paying?

If you pay all of your Beta testers please let us know the URL for your 
products so some of the folks here can help out with that.  It might 
even be helpful for the rest of us, as I'm sure there's much we can all 
learn from uncommonly successful products built with such unusually high 
standards.

More commonly software publishers rely on volunteer Beta testers.  Many,
myself included, also pay professionals for specific types of testing 
during the Beta phase, but the bulk of workflow testing in real-world 
scenarios happens at volunteer Beta sites.

Over the last 20 years I've been a beta tester for companies bigger and 
smaller than Rev, including Adobe, Oracle, Microsoft, and a dozen 
others, and not one of them ever suggested they might pay beta testers.

Which companies gave you the impression that it's in any way 
conventional to expect payment for beta testing?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com  Wed Mar 21 11:42:09 2007
From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:42:09 -0700
Subject: Runtime Revolution Partners with Audio Companies Mojo Audio and
	Meshbox Music
Message-ID: <017d01c76bcf$7ce233f0$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 21 11:42:04 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:42:04 -0700
Subject: Export Snapshot PNG Workaround
Message-ID: <4601524C.7030802@fourthworld.com>

Dave wrote:

> Problem 2.
> 
> Using the export snapshot command under the IDE results in memory  
> being leaked on each image exported.
> 
> The work around is to Compile the App into a Standalone and test  
> using a smaller number of files.

To clarify, this issue appears to be limited to the Rev IDE only, and is 
not evident in my testing with a standalone, with the MetaCard IDE, or 
my own custom fork of MC.  Also, it doesn't appear limited to the 
"snapshot" option, but is evident with all uses of the export command I 
tested.

When testing in Rev I even purged all front- and backScripts, and still 
the leak is evident.  So it seems fairly safe at this point to suggest 
that there is no problem with the engine or any of the IDE stacks. 
Standalones should be fine.

What does that leave us with?

The only other difference between Rev and MC that I can think of offhand 
is that Rev loads a lot of externals when it launches.  How the 
initialization of an external could affect the memory space used by the 
engine's export command is a mystery to me, but if someone has the time 
to try these tests removing one external after another from the install 
we could at least either pin down the culprit or rule out the role of 
externals in this altogether.


> Problem 3.
> 
> RunRev does not garbage collect until after a handler returns.
> 
> The work around is to have two handers and use the timed send command  
> process a smaller number of images at time.

I think this one may have been a misunderstanding of early test results. 
  When I run the same test under MC or in a standalone, I see the memory 
fluctuate a bit but never by very much (a MB or two), and while it's 
still running the allocation goes back down to roughly its original value.

This suggests that garbage collection is done even before idle, at least 
with the statements used in the test script you submitted to Support. 
There may be other circumstances where garbage collection must wait for 
idle, but I haven't seen any yet.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar 21 12:01:32 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:01:32 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <46014F01.8080406@fourthworld.com>
References: <46014F01.8080406@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <F83AFFAE-049A-4385-B1FE-16FC97920E43@looktowindward.com>


On 21 Mar 2007, at 15:28, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>> If I were selling a product like RunRev and I did not have the   
>> resources to test it on all the Platforms it shipped on, then I  
>> would  say that in all my advertising and on my web site etc. etc.  
>> etc. What  I wouldn't do is to not say a word anywhere and  
>> continue to advertise  like all platforms are fully tested. To me  
>> that is dishonest and  unprofessional.
>
> I suppose it would be, but that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
>
> Let me refresh your memory:
>
>    I'm glad you recognize that it's up to us to test
>    the specific implementations we use Rev for.  The
>    combinatorial explosion of all possible uses would
>    make it impossible for RunRev to do that.

We are talking at cross purposes. Let me refresh your memory:

> Dave wrote:
>
>> All I know is that if I were to write something like this (a file/  
>> image data exporter) then once I'd got it working past the the  
>> point  where I could write an image file in all the different  
>> formats then  I'd run a soak test on it and let it run for *loads*  
>> of (like 10,000 +) of iterations and I would have checked that  
>> memory was being  released. In fact I wrote an external command  
>> module that does  something similar (it analyzes movie frames) and  
>> I *did* soak test it  and I *did* find memory leaks.
>> For me, this is software engineering 101.
>>
>
> Richard wrote:
> And it turns out that you did write an image exporter, and did run  
> it through a soak test.  Good job.
>

  You are talking about beta testing, I was talking about testing  
your code after developing it. As an example:

I wrote a module that does things with movies and/or images. There  
are two parts to this, the RunRev "Test" Script and the C/C++  
External. Since I am working with Movies and Images, this means there  
is a lot of memory being allocated and therefore a chance that a  
memory leak will occur. Over a period of a day or two I develop the C/ 
C++ code and the Test Script together. At some point I get to the  
stage where I am Read/Writing/Analyzing a Movie/Image. As soon as I  
get to this stage, I then soak test the C/C++ Command Handler. I do  
this by testing it processing many thousands (like 10,000+) of Movies/ 
Files.

What I was saying is that the code I wrote was very similar to the  
"export snapshot" command both in terms of usage (it uses a lot RAM)  
and in terms of development both have a C/C++ core and a RunRev script.

Obviously this type of testing wasn't performed on the export  
snapshot command. That was what I meant. In my case it was for Mac  
only, but in the past I have developed both for Mac and Windows and  
in the case I would soak test it on Mac and at least one version of  
Windows before checking it in and before it even got as far as QA and  
Beta Testing.


> Your comment about expecting payment for testing was equally snarky:
>
>>> RunRev can help by having Beta cycles whose length is more in   
>>> keeping with industry norms, but the actual testing can't be  
>>> done  by them; there are just too many possibilities.
>>>
>> I'd be happy to test it for them. How much are they paying?

Not sure what snarky means!

As I said I wasn't talking about beta testing, I was talking about  
first level soak testing after you have got a part of your code  
working. In the case where I don't have enough time to do this myself  
I employ someone I trust and have worked with in the past to do it.

All the Best
Dave



From rabit at dimensionB.de  Wed Mar 21 12:06:10 2007
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:06:10 +0100
Subject: error in function handler revPaletteObjects
In-Reply-To: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
References: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>

Hi,

as I didn't find anything related despite extensive search,
would anybody be so kind to test the following, it is done in seconds:

Save a stack with an editable field as standalone in any 2.8 version  
IDE.
Now check what happens when you try to open the standalone.


I get the following error no matter if it is a Win standalone or
a Mac standalone:

Type: Function: error in function handler
Object: button "revTable" of group "revLibraries" of card id 1002 of  
stack ...
Line: set the cCurrentObject of the target to revPaletteObjects()
Line Num: 50
Hint: revPaletteObjects

This happens as soon, as the field gets the openField message


The same test works with version 2.7.4 but ...

If, in version 2.7.4, I place an editable table field onto the stack
I get an error as follows in the standalone as soon as I click onto  
the table:

Type: Handler: can't find handler
Object: button "revTable" of group "revLibraries" of card id 1002 of  
stack ...
Line: send "revUpdateDatabase pObject,txcell,tycell,tNewText" to pObject
Line Num: 451
Hint: revUpdateDatabase


Can anybody confirm this? If yes, is there a known workaround?

This subject bothers me since several hours and the deadline for
a meeting with the client is coming close. I don't dare thinking
about the case, that this can not be solved. Sure, I could avoid
using fields in the application file and open external stacks within the
standalone, but in my special case I have good reasons for not to do so.

Thanks for your attention!

Ralf Bitter






From bvg at mac.com  Wed Mar 21 12:24:43 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:24:43 +0100
Subject: error in function handler revPaletteObjects
In-Reply-To: <CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>
References: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
	<CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <3b540a5b39e2eff0aa007b69c71cc5b8@mac.com>

For table fields to work you need to include the table library. Rev 
should do this automatically for you, but often that feature is missing 
in action.  Often it's enough to open the "standalone application 
settings..." then change some value, save the stack, set the value back 
to what it was, and then save again. Some times you need to do it more 
manually:

To do it manually:
1. Go to the "standalone application settings..." in the file menu.
2. Select the first button at the top: "general"
3. Activate the "Select inclusions for the standalone application" 
option button.
4. Select all the Stuff your app needs, the fields can have several 
entries selected. (In this case, make sure the "table" entry in the 
"Script libraries" field is highlighted.)
5. Save your stack
6. Make a standalone

If that doesn't help, then there's probably a more serious bug.

On an additional note, here (mac os x 10.9.3, rev 2.8) it all works 
fine, even without any of the steps taken above, just by doing this:
1. open rev
2. make a stack with a table field
3. save stack
4. build application
5. the application runs, no errors, table field works as expected.

I hope this helped
Bj?rnke von Gierke

On 21 Mar 2007, at 17:06, Ralf Bitter wrote:

> Hi,
>
> as I didn't find anything related despite extensive search,
> would anybody be so kind to test the following, it is done in seconds:
>
> Save a stack with an editable field as standalone in any 2.8 version 
> IDE.
> Now check what happens when you try to open the standalone.
>
>
> I get the following error no matter if it is a Win standalone or
> a Mac standalone:
>
> Type: Function: error in function handler
> Object: button "revTable" of group "revLibraries" of card id 1002 of 
> stack ...
> Line: set the cCurrentObject of the target to revPaletteObjects()
> Line Num: 50
> Hint: revPaletteObjects
>
> This happens as soon, as the field gets the openField message
>
>
> The same test works with version 2.7.4 but ...
>
> If, in version 2.7.4, I place an editable table field onto the stack
> I get an error as follows in the standalone as soon as I click onto 
> the table:
>
> Type: Handler: can't find handler
> Object: button "revTable" of group "revLibraries" of card id 1002 of 
> stack ...
> Line: send "revUpdateDatabase pObject,txcell,tycell,tNewText" to 
> pObject
> Line Num: 451
> Hint: revUpdateDatabase
>
>
> Can anybody confirm this? If yes, is there a known workaround?
>
> This subject bothers me since several hours and the deadline for
> a meeting with the client is coming close. I don't dare thinking
> about the case, that this can not be solved. Sure, I could avoid
> using fields in the application file and open external stacks within 
> the
> standalone, but in my special case I have good reasons for not to do 
> so.
>
> Thanks for your attention!
>
> Ralf Bitter
>
>
>
>
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From rabit at dimensionB.de  Wed Mar 21 13:37:45 2007
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 18:37:45 +0100
Subject: error in function handler revPaletteObjects
In-Reply-To: <3b540a5b39e2eff0aa007b69c71cc5b8@mac.com>
References: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
	<CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>
	<3b540a5b39e2eff0aa007b69c71cc5b8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <715BF39C-20EF-4364-BBEE-09C2FF8E8FAA@dimensionB.de>

Hi Bj?rnke,

the table field problem, I mentioned, was specific to version 2.7.4
not to the current version 2.8.
And sure, I selected manually the table library in my test with no  
success.

Actually I only discovered the version 2.7.4 problem, as I didn't  
find a way to
solve the described problem with editable fields in version 2.8  
standalones.
I thought, as a temporary workaround, I could go back to version 2.7.4.
But then I found out, that there table fields produce an error.  
Fields work fine.
In version 2.8 it is the other way:
Tables work fine, fields trigger the said revPaletteObjects error.
Tested on Intel Mac, PowerPC and the Win standalone on XP.
In the IDE all is fine.

I downloaded a Revolution trial version for Windows.
The test result is even more strange. In addition to the editable
field, there has to be an editable table field to reproduce the  
revPaletteObjects  error.
And sure, I selected manually the table library in the standalone  
settings,
saved the stack and saved the standalone.

Unfortunately  fields and table fields are exactly what I need in my  
standalone.



On 21. Mrz 2007, at 17:24, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> For table fields to work you need to include the table library. Rev  
> should do this automatically for you, but often that feature is  
> missing in action.  Often it's enough to open the "standalone  
> application settings..." then change some value, save the stack,  
> set the value back to what it was, and then save again. Some times  
> you need to do it more manually:
>
> To do it manually:
> 1. Go to the "standalone application settings..." in the file menu.
> 2. Select the first button at the top: "general"
> 3. Activate the "Select inclusions for the standalone application"  
> option button.
> 4. Select all the Stuff your app needs, the fields can have several  
> entries selected. (In this case, make sure the "table" entry in the  
> "Script libraries" field is highlighted.)
> 5. Save your stack
> 6. Make a standalone
>
> If that doesn't help, then there's probably a more serious bug.
>
> On an additional note, here (mac os x 10.9.3, rev 2.8) it all works  
> fine, even without any of the steps taken above, just by doing this:
> 1. open rev
> 2. make a stack with a table field
> 3. save stack
> 4. build application
> 5. the application runs, no errors, table field works as expected.
>
> I hope this helped
> Bj?rnke von Gierke
>
> On 21 Mar 2007, at 17:06, Ralf Bitter wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> as I didn't find anything related despite extensive search,
>> would anybody be so kind to test the following, it is done in  
>> seconds:
>>
>> Save a stack with an editable field as standalone in any 2.8  
>> version IDE.
>> Now check what happens when you try to open the standalone.
>>
>>
>> I get the following error no matter if it is a Win standalone or
>> a Mac standalone:
>>
>> Type: Function: error in function handler
>> Object: button "revTable" of group "revLibraries" of card id 1002  
>> of stack ...
>> Line: set the cCurrentObject of the target to revPaletteObjects()
>> Line Num: 50
>> Hint: revPaletteObjects
>>
>> This happens as soon, as the field gets the openField message
>>
>>
>> The same test works with version 2.7.4 but ...
>>
>> If, in version 2.7.4, I place an editable table field onto the stack
>> I get an error as follows in the standalone as soon as I click  
>> onto the table:
>>
>> Type: Handler: can't find handler
>> Object: button "revTable" of group "revLibraries" of card id 1002  
>> of stack ...
>> Line: send "revUpdateDatabase pObject,txcell,tycell,tNewText" to  
>> pObject
>> Line Num: 451
>> Hint: revUpdateDatabase
>>
>>
>> Can anybody confirm this? If yes, is there a known workaround?
>>
>> This subject bothers me since several hours and the deadline for
>> a meeting with the client is coming close. I don't dare thinking
>> about the case, that this can not be solved. Sure, I could avoid
>> using fields in the application file and open external stacks  
>> within the
>> standalone, but in my special case I have good reasons for not to  
>> do so.
>>
>> Thanks for your attention!
>>
>> Ralf Bitter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar 21 13:47:11 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:47:11 +0000
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <dde34b9b3b4036f5dfae0aa03d9c221f@mac.com>
References: <45FFFAF9.5000308@fourthworld.com>
	<E5D6FD59-D249-4624-B60E-1B98CF2417E5@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240802c225e915d6d7@[192.168.1.31]>
	<62A0F132-080A-45F0-9234-5E98192F815A@looktowindward.com>
	<dde34b9b3b4036f5dfae0aa03d9c221f@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4A6AE781-286E-45DD-8CBF-A4BBC81267B9@looktowindward.com>


On 21 Mar 2007, at 15:17, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

>>
>> Ok, if they don't have enough money to pay me now, then they can  
>> owe it to me, and, *if* and when they do make lots of money they  
>> can pay me then. How does that sound? I would charge ?15.00 per  
>> hour, that's a lot cheaper than they are advertising their  
>> consultancy services for! Presumably the people at RunRev are  
>> getting paid a good salary or if not are being rewarded in terms  
>> of shares and/or the promise of money if and when they hit the big  
>> time.
>
> I do agree with Dave's general direction (if not with the way he  
> expresses it).
> We all pay RunRev money so they can produce a good product. It's  
> not our duty nor our responsibility to do any testing on their  
> behave. Actually it should be the other way around. If there's a  
> bug we should get an easy accessible list of workarounds, until the  
> bug is fixed with the next release of Rev, of course in addition to  
> every Feature anyone requested.
>
> On the other hand there's the open source approach. Users don't pay  
> to use software, they commit time and effort to make the product  
> better, so their own stuff based on the open source software gets  
> better. Every user always puts equal effort into the open source  
> foundation as into his own project. Bugs are fixed within minutes  
> of their discovery, and every feature a user needs is implemented  
> by that same user within even less time.
>
> But alas this world is not perfection wonderland, bugs are hard to  
> find and to track down, feature additions make a product  
> complicated, and aggravate people who are used to the old way.  
> RunRev is walking a middle ground here. In my opinion, it's crucial  
> for their future to not adopt the worst of both the commercial way  
> and the open source way, but to work out a methodic to get the  
> strengths of both worlds. That is not easy for such a small  
> company, but if they have a clear vision about how they want to  
> interact with their customers, then it is possible.
>
> Specifically, Bugzilla is a workaround for having no clue where  
> bugs come from. Customers that find a bug are asked to make an  
> effort to increase the product they paid for, and these bugs could  
> linger for years due to time constrains. Unfortunately for everyone  
> involved, that's how RunRev's software currently works.
> The existing system does not rock in any way. It's a patch on  
> reality forced upon everyone by legacy, money and priority  
> management, not more and not less.
>

Actually we started the discussion at cross purposes I think. I was  
talking about first level soak (stress) testing in the development  
process before the code is checked in, before it goes to QA and *way*  
before it gets to beta stage.

> In hopes for a constructive discussion

Sounds good to me!

> Bj?rnke von Gierke

There are more ways of paying for something than money!  Even if you  
only got a free T-Shirt or free hard copy of the manual it would be  
something. There really is no such thing as a free lunch.

Having said that, I really wouldn't mind doing the beta testing for  
free on a volunteer basis, but not as an expectation!

I signed up for the Beta Program a while back, but I heard nothing  
for months, then a short while ago I was contacted with the details,  
unfortunately I don't have enough time now. When I signed up I could  
have put aside a couple of hours a day.

All the Best
Dave



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 21 14:20:14 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:20:14 -0500
Subject: [TIP} co-sort variable 1 based on values in variable 2
In-Reply-To: <C22632B0.4439C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C22632B0.4439C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4601775E.9060205@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Ault wrote:

> It is pretty simple actually, and here is an example.
> 
> Let's say one list you have last names, in another, their telephone numbers
> in the same order.  You need to keep two separate lists, but you would like
> both sorted to the same order, according to the last names.

After getting some sleep, I realized you were talking about parallel 
sorts. Dick's way is much cooler than what I've always done, which uses 
a custom sort function:

** Parallel sort ***

local lKeyData, lLineCounter

on sortBy keyField -- parallel sorting of linked flds
   put fld keyField into lKeyData
   put "data1,data2,data3" into dataFields -- fill in your fld names here
   repeat with i = 1 to the number of items of dataFields
     put 0 into lLineCounter
     sort lines of fld (item i of dataFields) by key()
   end repeat
end sortBy

function key
   add 1 to lLineCounter
   return line lLineCounter of lKeyData
end key

This sorts lines, but the idea is the same. I like Dick's better.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed Mar 21 14:27:15 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:27:15 -0300
Subject: Do You Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <46017903.2070101@howsoft.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:

>Sorry, Peter, it is Bob Warren who finds Puppy
impressive.

I played around with Puppy about 2 years ago when I
"went for Linux" and downloaded about 25 different
distros and put an old Pentium 3 through a weekly
reformat until it choked! At the time I was not
particulalrly taken with Puppy - but, as we are all
aware; a week is a long time in the software world,
and 2 years is a hell of a long time.

----------------------------------------------
Puppy has made great strides. In its current state, I would never use DSL in preference, for example. I even read about some Brazilians on the Internet who were so impressed with it, they ripped out their Ubuntus in order to install it! (But that's unnecessary, since Puppy runs perfectly from a pendrive, and its incredibly easy to set up in this way.)

Bob







From bvg at mac.com  Wed Mar 21 14:29:43 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:29:43 +0100
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <4A6AE781-286E-45DD-8CBF-A4BBC81267B9@looktowindward.com>
References: <45FFFAF9.5000308@fourthworld.com>
	<E5D6FD59-D249-4624-B60E-1B98CF2417E5@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240802c225e915d6d7@[192.168.1.31]>
	<62A0F132-080A-45F0-9234-5E98192F815A@looktowindward.com>
	<dde34b9b3b4036f5dfae0aa03d9c221f@mac.com>
	<4A6AE781-286E-45DD-8CBF-A4BBC81267B9@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <355edf82740793c8f69a5a4120eaf7ac@mac.com>


On 21 Mar 2007, at 18:47, Dave wrote:

>
> On 21 Mar 2007, at 15:17, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
> ...

> Actually we started the discussion at cross purposes I think. I was 
> talking about first level soak (stress) testing in the development 
> process before the code is checked in, before it goes to QA and *way* 
> before it gets to beta stage.

I know where you started, I'm neither knowledgeable nor interested 
enough to comment on your low level techniques.

> ...
> Having said that, I really wouldn't mind doing the beta testing for 
> free on a volunteer basis, but not as an expectation!

The mentioned expectation of forcing people to be beta tester hugely 
depends on three things:

First, there's the expectation from the community, which can be 
perceived this or that way. For me there are some community members (as 
in any community) who want you to do as they would want to do 
themselves. Mostly I ignore those. However, If the most verbose members 
of a community expect the rest of the community to change according to 
their own ideals, the community will rupture, dwindle, die. So we as a 
community of Rev users must watch out for that.

Secondly there's the expectation of RunRev to deliver meaningful bug 
reports, if you make any. Also before that they want you to look if the 
bug is already reported. I have no problem with that whatsoever.

The last and most important part of this is How you perceive a message 
of a demand. This of course depends on the tone of the demand, and how 
strongly it correlates with your own expectation.
Imagine someone demanding from you to breathe. In most situations you'd 
greatly agree, as you yourself deem breathing (vitally) important. Now 
imagine someone telling you not to breathe. In most situations that 
would run counter your own experience and principles, and you would 
declare him stupid.
The problem is that not all concepts are as all-encompassing for every 
human as breathing. So what's one persons breathing bugs is another 
persons not breathing bugs.

Note: I don't want to say you belong to either of the breathing/non 
breathing people. No one does. Almost every one is somewhere in between 
these two extremes. As are you, or the people that demand the filing of 
bugs of you.

> I signed up for the Beta Program a while back, but I heard nothing for 
> months, then a short while ago I was contacted with the details, 
> unfortunately I don't have enough time now. When I signed up I could 
> have put aside a couple of hours a day.

See, you breathe "make beta's immediately after announcing them", and 
someone else doesn't. You shouldn't ask yourself how to force the other 
person to breathe what you breathe. If the situation bothers you, you 
should try to find a form of breathing of which you think that both can 
agree upon, and propose that to the other person. Of course that person 
might still put you down, but the likelihood is probably  quite a lot 
smaller.

Don't let the non-breather keep you down
Bj?rnke von Gierke

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Wed Mar 21 14:32:00 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:32:00 -0300
Subject: Do You Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <46017A20.9080108@howsoft.com>

Anybody would think you Mac guys were hard up! Don't you have an old PC 
stashed away in a corner somewhere? You might not be able to run Vista 
on it, but Ubuntu should give you no trouble.

Bob


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 21 14:35:55 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:35:55 -0500
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <46014773.4020801@fourthworld.com>
References: <46014773.4020801@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <46017B0B.4070706@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I was going to do so, but frankly since I installed the latest release 
> of Parallels I'm no longer seeing that issue, only the one in which the 
> VM won't shut down fully.

Which latest release? Is there one newer than 3188?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 21 14:37:12 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:37:12 -0700
Subject: Do You Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <46017B58.8020706@fourthworld.com>

Bob Warren wrote:
> Anybody would think you Mac guys were hard up! Don't you have an old PC 
> stashed away in a corner somewhere?

I have three, but I don't take them on the subway with me.

Convenience = productivity.
Productivity = shipping apps.
Shipping apps = Linux evangelism.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 21 14:45:53 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 11:45:53 -0700
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
Message-ID: <46017D61.8040708@fourthworld.com>

J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote: 
>> I was going to do so, but frankly since I installed the latest release 
>> of Parallels I'm no longer seeing that issue, only the one in which the 
>> VM won't shut down fully.
> 
> Which latest release? Is there one newer than 3188?

Nope, that's the one.  Since I updated I've only put in a couple hours 
with it, but haven't yet seen the input freeze.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From len-morgan at crcom.net  Wed Mar 21 15:27:41 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:27:41 -0500
Subject: Switching from one stack to another
Message-ID: <4601872D.4040109@crcom.net>

Hello again.  I've run into another little stumbling block as I build 
this application.

As I have mentioned before, I have an authorization stack which does 
just what it says.  Once a user is authorized, I want to launch the 
"real" stack and get rid of the authorization stack.

So far I seem to be able to "go stack URL "http....." which opens up the 
new (bigger) application.  The problem is the authorization stack is 
still there in the background (and on the taskbar).  I thought I would 
get smart and open the new stack in the window of the authorization 
stack.  The problem here is that the stack doesn't expand (and I can't 
seem to expand it with script).  Also the title bar reflects the name of 
the authorization stack, not the application stack.  It also seems that 
any stack references are to the authorization stack, not the app stack 
that is running INSIDE the auth stack.

Can someone explain what happens when you open one stack in the window 
of another.  Is this the right approach or should I open the new stack 
and then somehow kill the calling stack from there?

Thanks as always!

Len Morgan



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 21 15:32:58 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:32:58 -0500
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <46017D61.8040708@fourthworld.com>
References: <46017D61.8040708@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <4601886A.1000908@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> I was going to do so, but frankly since I installed the latest 
>>> release of Parallels I'm no longer seeing that issue, only the one in 
>>> which the VM won't shut down fully.
>>
>> Which latest release? Is there one newer than 3188?
> 
> Nope, that's the one.  Since I updated I've only put in a couple hours 
> with it, but haven't yet seen the input freeze.
> 

That's where I saw it, so I think it's still there.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From cszasz at mac.com  Wed Mar 21 15:36:54 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:36:54 -0400
Subject: Exporting to Word
Message-ID: <07B97C8B-2C56-48D0-B6EA-71DC425E2C74@mac.com>

How do you script to export content from a standalone to Word?


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 21 15:59:23 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 14:59:23 -0500
Subject: error in function handler revPaletteObjects
In-Reply-To: <CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>
References: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
	<CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <46018E9B.2030208@hyperactivesw.com>

Ralf Bitter wrote:

> I get the following error no matter if it is a Win standalone or
> a Mac standalone:
> 
> Type: Function: error in function handler
> Object: button "revTable" of group "revLibraries" of card id 1002 of 
> stack ...
> Line: set the cCurrentObject of the target to revPaletteObjects()
> Line Num: 50
> Hint: revPaletteObjects
> 
> This happens as soon, as the field gets the openField message
> 
> 
> The same test works with version 2.7.4 but ...
> 
> If, in version 2.7.4, I place an editable table field onto the stack
> I get an error as follows in the standalone as soon as I click onto the 
> table:
> 
> Type: Handler: can't find handler
> Object: button "revTable" of group "revLibraries" of card id 1002 of 
> stack ...
> Line: send "revUpdateDatabase pObject,txcell,tycell,tNewText" to pObject
> Line Num: 451
> Hint: revUpdateDatabase
> 
> 
> Can anybody confirm this? If yes, is there a known workaround?

I've seen this once before but I can't remember where. There is a 
missing handler in the current implementation of the revCommon library, 
if I remember right. For now, try putting this into your stack script:

function revPaletteObjects
  return empty
end revPaletteObjects

I think this works. It shouldn't affect your stack or table fields, 
because it is just making a call to an IDE handler that your standalone 
shouldn't need.

This fix is for Rev 2.8. I haven't investigated the error you mention 
for 2.7.4.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed Mar 21 16:49:37 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 13:49:37 -0700
Subject: Do you Ubuntu?
In-Reply-To: <4601886A.1000908@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <46017D61.8040708@fourthworld.com>
	<4601886A.1000908@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <56766403-FCC4-4AFD-AC8B-C48C5FF03A21@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 21, 2007, at 12:32 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>> Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>>> I was going to do so, but frankly since I installed the latest  
>>>> release of Parallels I'm no longer seeing that issue, only the  
>>>> one in which the VM won't shut down fully.
>>>
>>> Which latest release? Is there one newer than 3188?
>> Nope, that's the one.  Since I updated I've only put in a couple  
>> hours with it, but haven't yet seen the input freeze.
>
> That's where I saw it, so I think it's still there.

I just had the freeze problem happen to me with a fully updated  
Ubuntu, parallels, and rev.  Reset was my only option.  I am not sure  
it was Rev related though.  I think it happened while deleting a file  
from a folder with a right click starting the problem.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar 21 17:18:16 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 15:18:16 -0600
Subject: Exporting to Word
In-Reply-To: <07B97C8B-2C56-48D0-B6EA-71DC425E2C74@mac.com>
References: <07B97C8B-2C56-48D0-B6EA-71DC425E2C74@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5B85C587-B43B-4E95-A45D-49E2E06DA8B9@byu.edu>

One easy way is to save a field's rtfText to an external file. See  
the dictionary under RTFText.

Devin

On Mar 21, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:

> How do you script to export content from a standalone to Word?
>
>
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com
>
>
>
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Brigham Young University



From rabit at dimensionB.de  Wed Mar 21 17:28:47 2007
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:28:47 +0100
Subject: error in function handler revPaletteObjects
In-Reply-To: <46018E9B.2030208@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
	<CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>
	<46018E9B.2030208@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <5C595C93-1984-4993-AC80-9AB00925DEEE@dimensionB.de>

Jacqueline,

you are a lifesaver.
It makes sense, after all I have investigated, to bypass
the IDE function, although I didn't dare to do that as I thought
all handlers in the IDE are more or less needed.

Thank you very much, I was about to go crazy, as with my last
tests I couldn't reproduce the error at all. But I kept error stacks  
of prior tests,
so that I can confirm now, that your solution works.

Thanks again for your quick answer!


On 21. Mrz 2007, at 20:59, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Ralf Bitter wrote:
>
>> I get the following error no matter if it is a Win standalone or
>> a Mac standalone:
>> Type: Function: error in function handler
>> Object: button "revTable" of group "revLibraries" of card id 1002  
>> of stack ...
>> Line: set the cCurrentObject of the target to revPaletteObjects()
>> Line Num: 50
>> Hint: revPaletteObjects
>> This happens as soon, as the field gets the openField message
>> The same test works with version 2.7.4 but ...
>> If, in version 2.7.4, I place an editable table field onto the stack
>> I get an error as follows in the standalone as soon as I click  
>> onto the table:
>> Type: Handler: can't find handler
>> Object: button "revTable" of group "revLibraries" of card id 1002  
>> of stack ...
>> Line: send "revUpdateDatabase pObject,txcell,tycell,tNewText" to  
>> pObject
>> Line Num: 451
>> Hint: revUpdateDatabase
>> Can anybody confirm this? If yes, is there a known workaround?
>
> I've seen this once before but I can't remember where. There is a  
> missing handler in the current implementation of the revCommon  
> library, if I remember right. For now, try putting this into your  
> stack script:
>
> function revPaletteObjects
>  return empty
> end revPaletteObjects
>
> I think this works. It shouldn't affect your stack or table fields,  
> because it is just making a call to an IDE handler that your  
> standalone shouldn't need.
>
> This fix is for Rev 2.8. I haven't investigated the error you  
> mention for 2.7.4.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Wed Mar 21 18:48:06 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:48:06 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Preview Gallery for "Imagedate Toolkit 3"
Message-ID: <4601B626.9050906@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

I have uploaded a preview gallery for the forthcoming "Imagedata Toolkit 
3" at

<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/PreviewToolkit3.htm>

An interim version of toolkit 3 will be released during the next week.

What's new in  interim version 3?

While the focus of the "imagedata toolkit 2" was on "hues", toolkit 3 
concentrates both on median-despeckle filters and the distortion and 
deformation of images to achieve various kinds of "painting" effects. 
Both filter categories have to be used in conjunction to produce such 
effects.

There are 12 such median-despeckle filters, the most powerful of them is 
"despeckle extreme", which does not only remove noise, but also minor 
details, thus achieving larger color areas in an image.
I have discarded the "Kuwahara" filter of "Imagedata Toolkit 2". While 
it was a fine exercise to port this known filter to Revolution, it was 
really the slowest of my adapted scripted filters and much less powerful 
than my "despeckle extreme" filter, which is also 3 times faster.

The distortion/deformation filters comprise:

- various kinds of multi-pixel noise
- solid and blended rects of different sizes
- the dissolution of images by shapes of various sizes (ovals, 
rectangles, regular polynoms - triangles, rectangles, pentagons -, and 
the application of this dissolution either at random or in a systematic 
fashion - dissolving the image with vertical columns of shapes.

Other improvements of interim version 3:

- the slight color shift when using the "jitter" filter has been fixed 
(there was a one-char typo)

- a "wet paint" filter has been added to "jitter and noise"

- the scripted "blur" filters (as opposed to matrix filters) now 
comprise "progressive blurs" with pixel distances vertically and 
horizontally from 2 to 8 and for "extreme blurs" with pixel distances 
from 10 to 60. These blur filters with their precise and powerful 
effects are genuinely new and nowhere else to be found.

- a "venetian mirror" option has been added under "mirrors": reflections 
of any size can be added inside the images horizontally and/or 
vertically, which also provides the possibility to produce 
kaleidoskop-like pictures.

- special "max" and "min" effects have been added as a variation of the 
despeckle-median filters (using the median algorithms, but substituting 
the median function by minimum and maximum), which then need another - 
despeckle or lithography - filter to achieve worth-while effects.

- images can be exported both as JPEG and PNG.--

The final "Imagedata Toolkit 3", which probably will be released in a 
month, will also have the following additional features:

- adding horizontal, vertical, and diagonal "gradient noise"

- replacing colors: selecting a color-to-be-replaced by clicking on the 
image and choosing a replace-color by either also clicking on the image 
or a color wheel. This color replacement can be implemented for a 
specific color or a selected color range with the additional option to 
choose a computed gray-average as the basis for replacement

- simplifying colors: similar procedure as above: the selected color 
will replace a defined color range
?
- adding transparency to selected areas of an image, implemented also in 
a similar fashion as with replacing and simplifying colors (see above). 
As the one of the main features of the Imagedata Toolkit are two 
superimposed images, the underlying image will appear in the transparent 
areas, thus producing a new image that can then be saved or exported as 
a new non-transparent image.-

The current "Imagedata Toolkit 2" is still available - for those 
interested to experiment with structures and colors in images and photos 
in the meantime until Imagedata Toolkit 3 will be released -  at

<http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImagedataToolkit.zip>

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>




From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar 21 18:53:41 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 16:53:41 -0600
Subject: [ANN] Preview Gallery for "Imagedate Toolkit 3"
In-Reply-To: <4601B626.9050906@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4601B626.9050906@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703211553r3b3bc66ew7f25707959b7b3c@mail.gmail.com>

Wow Wilhelm, those images look marvelous. Sounds like very worthy
additions!!!

best,
Chipp


From revolution at derbrill.de  Wed Mar 21 18:53:51 2007
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:53:51 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Preview Gallery for "Imagedate Toolkit 3"
In-Reply-To: <20070121180005.7D7534891B5@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070121180005.7D7534891B5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <9E1F23E5-10C0-40ED-BEA9-AB8843475DB8@derbrill.de>

Hallo Wilhelm,

very impressive. How long does rendering the results take for a  
reasonably sized image? Results look way kewl. Please keep up the  
good work.

All the best,

Malte


From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Wed Mar 21 19:40:42 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:40:42 +0000
Subject: Memory Leak on export png????
In-Reply-To: <F83AFFAE-049A-4385-B1FE-16FC97920E43@looktowindward.com>
References: <46014F01.8080406@fourthworld.com>
	<F83AFFAE-049A-4385-B1FE-16FC97920E43@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <66BD71FC-2635-4F9D-B299-A478124E97BA@anachreon.co.uk>

That implies that the release of the purchased versions of RunRev  
were betas...

Cheers,

Luis.


On 21 Mar 2007, at 16:01, Dave wrote:

>
> On 21 Mar 2007, at 15:28, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>> Dave wrote:
>>> If I were selling a product like RunRev and I did not have the   
>>> resources to test it on all the Platforms it shipped on, then I  
>>> would  say that in all my advertising and on my web site etc.  
>>> etc. etc. What  I wouldn't do is to not say a word anywhere and  
>>> continue to advertise  like all platforms are fully tested. To me  
>>> that is dishonest and  unprofessional.
>>
>> I suppose it would be, but that has nothing to do with what I wrote.
>>
>> Let me refresh your memory:
>>
>>    I'm glad you recognize that it's up to us to test
>>    the specific implementations we use Rev for.  The
>>    combinatorial explosion of all possible uses would
>>    make it impossible for RunRev to do that.
>
> We are talking at cross purposes. Let me refresh your memory:
>
>> Dave wrote:
>>
>>> All I know is that if I were to write something like this (a  
>>> file/ image data exporter) then once I'd got it working past the  
>>> the point  where I could write an image file in all the different  
>>> formats then  I'd run a soak test on it and let it run for  
>>> *loads* of (like 10,000 +) of iterations and I would have checked  
>>> that memory was being  released. In fact I wrote an external  
>>> command module that does  something similar (it analyzes movie  
>>> frames) and I *did* soak test it  and I *did* find memory leaks.
>>> For me, this is software engineering 101.
>>>
>>
>> Richard wrote:
>> And it turns out that you did write an image exporter, and did run  
>> it through a soak test.  Good job.
>>
>
>  You are talking about beta testing, I was talking about testing  
> your code after developing it. As an example:
>
> I wrote a module that does things with movies and/or images. There  
> are two parts to this, the RunRev "Test" Script and the C/C++  
> External. Since I am working with Movies and Images, this means  
> there is a lot of memory being allocated and therefore a chance  
> that a memory leak will occur. Over a period of a day or two I  
> develop the C/C++ code and the Test Script together. At some point  
> I get to the stage where I am Read/Writing/Analyzing a Movie/Image.  
> As soon as I get to this stage, I then soak test the C/C++ Command  
> Handler. I do this by testing it processing many thousands (like  
> 10,000+) of Movies/Files.
>
> What I was saying is that the code I wrote was very similar to the  
> "export snapshot" command both in terms of usage (it uses a lot  
> RAM) and in terms of development both have a C/C++ core and a  
> RunRev script.
>
> Obviously this type of testing wasn't performed on the export  
> snapshot command. That was what I meant. In my case it was for Mac  
> only, but in the past I have developed both for Mac and Windows and  
> in the case I would soak test it on Mac and at least one version of  
> Windows before checking it in and before it even got as far as QA  
> and Beta Testing.
>
>
>> Your comment about expecting payment for testing was equally snarky:
>>
>>>> RunRev can help by having Beta cycles whose length is more in   
>>>> keeping with industry norms, but the actual testing can't be  
>>>> done  by them; there are just too many possibilities.
>>>>
>>> I'd be happy to test it for them. How much are they paying?
>
> Not sure what snarky means!
>
> As I said I wasn't talking about beta testing, I was talking about  
> first level soak testing after you have got a part of your code  
> working. In the case where I don't have enough time to do this  
> myself I employ someone I trust and have worked with in the past to  
> do it.
>
> All the Best
> Dave
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 21 20:40:42 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:40:42 -0500
Subject: [ANN] Preview Gallery for "Imagedate Toolkit 3"
In-Reply-To: <4601B626.9050906@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4601B626.9050906@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <4601D08A.9040703@hyperactivesw.com>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
 > I have uploaded a preview gallery for the forthcoming "Imagedata Toolkit
 > 3" at
 >
 > <http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/PreviewToolkit3.htm>

Amazing, and all done with Rev. Wow.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Mar 21 20:43:19 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:43:19 -0500
Subject: Switching from one stack to another
In-Reply-To: <4601872D.4040109@crcom.net>
References: <4601872D.4040109@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <4601D127.8020003@hyperactivesw.com>

Len Morgan wrote:
> Hello again.  I've run into another little stumbling block as I build 
> this application.
> 
> As I have mentioned before, I have an authorization stack which does 
> just what it says.  Once a user is authorized, I want to launch the 
> "real" stack and get rid of the authorization stack.

I wouldn't open the second stack in the same window. Instead, just open 
the second one and have the next line of your handler close the first 
one. Something like this:

go stack url "http://whatever.com"
close stack "authorization"

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Wed Mar 21 21:18:02 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 01:18:02 +0000
Subject: [ANN] Preview Gallery for "Imagedate Toolkit 3"
Message-ID: <F8502D18-95F2-427A-A2E2-797AAA25BA5B@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

Wilhelm,

was the original of AutumnColors a photograph?  If so, it is even  
more amazing to think that such painterly effects could be done with  
Rev.

Bernard


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 23:09:12 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:39:12 +0530
Subject: error in function handler revPaletteObjects
In-Reply-To: <CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>
References: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
	<CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703212009t582c2ac4lb796f4fba56ba9d1@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/21/07, Ralf Bitter <rabit at dimensionb.de> wrote:
>
> Line: set the cCurrentObject of the target to revPaletteObjects()


Off topic to this thread, but it's interesting that you see something for
the 'first time' and suddenly you see it everywhere.

In my case it's 'cCurrentObject' which I accidentally came across. I
probably don't really want to know what it is and why it's there - hey I'm a
Mac user, so long as it works it's OK by me - but I have this foreboding
feeling that this is going to come back and bite me.

I usually start my Rev day by duplicating my stack and giving it a new
version-name. I do this because 'Save as...' doesn't work like it should:-(
In the case of yesterday I then needed to add some custom properties to some
editable fields. It is here that I saw 'cCurrentObject' as a custom property
and most interestingly it contained the file path to the 'original' file,
not the current duplicate file.

So I wonder to myself.
I didn't add cCurrentObject - verified by the fact it is appearing in other
peoples stacks. So if rev put it there then why isn't it an inbuilt
property?
Should I be worried that it is referring to an old stack - admittedly I'm
assuming it'll update itself to the new stack filepath at the appropriate
time, I just can't check now as I'm not on my computer but a Business Centre
mule:-(

Thanks


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 22 00:25:18 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:25:18 -0600
Subject: waiting 5 months for Monterey DVD
In-Reply-To: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
References: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703212125p605a9d8r8fa7b1d6c2ae508f@mail.gmail.com>

Well Bernard,

You do have to admit, that does show the company cares about it's
customers-- though perhaps too little too late. The CEO of RunRev did take
his time to direct an answer. That's a pretty strong first step, I'd say.


From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 01:55:13 2007
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:55:13 +0900
Subject: unicodeText problem with Japanese
References: <20060206034101.16751.qmail@web60618.mail.yahoo.com>
	<43E6EA97.2070107@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00bb01c76c46$a9f53b40$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

In trying to import Japanese text into a field using:

  set the unicodeText of field "fKanji" to url "binfile:yek/AAA.txt"

I am encountering a compound problem.

The letters themselves of the Japanese text appear, 
but not the end of line markers, i.e., it's all one long 
line with cr's replaced by a blank -- which, using
charToNumber seems to be the cr marker. (In
addition, an unrecognizable character appears
in the very first character position of the field, but
that's a problem I can resolve with the "delete" 
function.)

I tried cr and lf with my Japanese text editor(s), as
well as different unicode encodings, but neither 
end-of-line marker is handled properly by the 
unicodeText function. 

So, as a workaround solution, I first used a text editor 
to substitute all cr's (or lr's) in the original text file with 
a unique Japanese character. Then, after importing 
that modified text with the unicodeText function, I used 
the "replace" function to replace all instances of that 
unique character with cr.

This almost worked, i.e. the text was divided into lines.
Only, one of the Japanese characters in the original text 
disappears after the "replace with", and, in its stead,
a blank line appear.

I would try a workaround for that, but there might be
other Japanese characters that are likewise deleted
or altered.

Maybe this is a bug?

--
Nicolas Cueto


From rabit at dimensionB.de  Thu Mar 22 05:10:11 2007
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:10:11 +0100
Subject: error in function handler revPaletteObjects
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703212009t582c2ac4lb796f4fba56ba9d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
	<CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>
	<f73a98160703212009t582c2ac4lb796f4fba56ba9d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <98288B4B-F6E1-4B98-BB3F-9FEA013F3D53@dimensionB.de>

Hi Kay,

the cCurrentObject  property is set on openField.
If you make a copy of your stack and move it to
another directory the property will not be updated
because of the following line in the revPaletteObjects function:

"if the cCurrentObject of the target is not empty then return the  
cCurrentObject of the target"

Ralf Bitter



On 22. Mrz 2007, at 04:09, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On 3/21/07, Ralf Bitter <rabit at dimensionb.de> wrote:
>>
>> Line: set the cCurrentObject of the target to revPaletteObjects()
>
>
> Off topic to this thread, but it's interesting that you see  
> something for
> the 'first time' and suddenly you see it everywhere.
>
> In my case it's 'cCurrentObject' which I accidentally came across. I
> probably don't really want to know what it is and why it's there -  
> hey I'm a
> Mac user, so long as it works it's OK by me - but I have this  
> foreboding
> feeling that this is going to come back and bite me.
>
> I usually start my Rev day by duplicating my stack and giving it a new
> version-name. I do this because 'Save as...' doesn't work like it  
> should:-(
> In the case of yesterday I then needed to add some custom  
> properties to some
> editable fields. It is here that I saw 'cCurrentObject' as a custom  
> property
> and most interestingly it contained the file path to the 'original'  
> file,
> not the current duplicate file.
>
> So I wonder to myself.
> I didn't add cCurrentObject - verified by the fact it is appearing  
> in other
> peoples stacks. So if rev put it there then why isn't it an inbuilt
> property?
> Should I be worried that it is referring to an old stack -  
> admittedly I'm
> assuming it'll update itself to the new stack filepath at the  
> appropriate
> time, I just can't check now as I'm not on my computer but a  
> Business Centre
> mule:-(
>
> Thanks
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar 22 10:38:16 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 08:38:16 -0600
Subject: unicodeText problem with Japanese
In-Reply-To: <00bb01c76c46$a9f53b40$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
References: <20060206034101.16751.qmail@web60618.mail.yahoo.com>
	<43E6EA97.2070107@comcast.net>
	<00bb01c76c46$a9f53b40$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>
Message-ID: <761703DE-D807-4479-BD9D-1E416C4C5447@byu.edu>


On Mar 21, 2007, at 11:55 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> In trying to import Japanese text into a field using:
>
>   set the unicodeText of field "fKanji" to url "binfile:yek/AAA.txt"
>
> I am encountering a compound problem.
>
> The letters themselves of the Japanese text appear,
> but not the end of line markers, i.e., it's all one long
> line with cr's replaced by a blank -- which, using
> charToNumber seems to be the cr marker. (In
> addition, an unrecognizable character appears
> in the very first character position of the field, but
> that's a problem I can resolve with the "delete"
> function.)

I think what you are seeing here is a byte order map. To my knowledge  
Revolution doesn't handle BOMs, so for now it seems your approach, to  
just delete them is the right one.
>
> I tried cr and lf with my Japanese text editor(s), as
> well as different unicode encodings, but neither
> end-of-line marker is handled properly by the
> unicodeText function.
>
> So, as a workaround solution, I first used a text editor
> to substitute all cr's (or lr's) in the original text file with
> a unique Japanese character. Then, after importing
> that modified text with the unicodeText function, I used
> the "replace" function to replace all instances of that
> unique character with cr.
>
> This almost worked, i.e. the text was divided into lines.
> Only, one of the Japanese characters in the original text
> disappears after the "replace with", and, in its stead,
> a blank line appear.
>
> I would try a workaround for that, but there might be
> other Japanese characters that are likewise deleted
> or altered.

Have you tried replacing the cr character with a unicode-encoded  
return char? Something like this (not tested):

get the unicodeText of fld "fKanji"
replace cr with uniencode(cr,"ANSI") in it
set the unicodeText of fld "FKanji" to it

I've also sometimes had good luck with things like this by getting  
the htmlText of flds with unicode text in them and doing the replace  
on the htmlText.

Let us know what you find out.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Thu Mar 22 10:51:27 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:51:27 -0500
Subject: Start using problem
Message-ID: <460297EF.30304@crcom.net>

I'm trying to load a library stack using a URL reference.  Is this 
possible?  It keeps telling me that it can't find the stack.  In the 
very next line I have a go stack URL .. that works fine and the two 
files are right next to each other on the server and I use the same path 
variable to point to them.

CAN you load a library stack with a URL?

Len Morgan


From stevex64 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 21 20:59:40 2007
From: stevex64 at yahoo.com (stevex64)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:59:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Collaborative development?
Message-ID: <9604688.post@talk.nabble.com>


Hi List,

In VB it's relatively easy to develop collaboratively using modules and
forms. Can you work in a similar manner in Revolution? Is there anything
like modules in Rev development? And this question isn't just about mods,
I'm asking for any ideas about collaborative development in Revolution.

Thanks,

Steve Ralston 
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Thu Mar 22 10:54:14 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 15:54:14 +0100
Subject: Start using problem
In-Reply-To: <460297EF.30304@crcom.net>
References: <460297EF.30304@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <E9961A29-6AE1-41B8-B236-502BEF519ECA@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Len,

go stack URL "http://www.domain.com/stack.rev"
start using stack <short name of stack stack.rev>

Best,

Mark

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Consultancy and Software Engineering
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Op 22-mrt-2007, om 15:51 heeft Len Morgan het volgende geschreven:

> I'm trying to load a library stack using a URL reference.  Is this  
> possible?  It keeps telling me that it can't find the stack.  In  
> the very next line I have a go stack URL .. that works fine and the  
> two files are right next to each other on the server and I use the  
> same path variable to point to them.
>
> CAN you load a library stack with a URL?
>
> Len Morgan




From len-morgan at crcom.net  Thu Mar 22 12:32:41 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:32:41 -0500
Subject: I'm having a "group" problem
Message-ID: <4602AFA9.5040208@crcom.net>

I'm sorry to keep coming back with what must seem like stupid 
questions.  This one has me really confused.

I've created a group that contains summary information in a small band 
that goes on each card.  I have set the behavior to "background."  There 
is a field filled in on the first card (where I created the group in the 
first place).

When I created a second card, the group does get added to the card but 
when I switch between the two cards, the summary data on each card 
(which is part of the group) is different!  I thought the group (when 
set to act like a background) would not only carry the design of the 
group but the contents of the fields too.  Is this not correct?

Len Morgan


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Thu Mar 22 12:40:33 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:40:33 -0700
Subject: I'm having a "group" problem
In-Reply-To: <4602AFA9.5040208@crcom.net>
References: <4602AFA9.5040208@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <A3A80053-31BD-44C5-A020-D0FAEDBC72B8@Cox.Net>

Len,

I'm pretty sure that you need to check the shared property of the  
field for its contents  to appear on all cards.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 22, 2007, at 9:32 AM, Len Morgan wrote:

> I'm sorry to keep coming back with what must seem like stupid  
> questions.  This one has me really confused.
>
> I've created a group that contains summary information in a small  
> band that goes on each card.  I have set the behavior to  
> "background."  There is a field filled in on the first card (where  
> I created the group in the first place).
>
> When I created a second card, the group does get added to the card  
> but when I switch between the two cards, the summary data on each  
> card (which is part of the group) is different!  I thought the  
> group (when set to act like a background) would not only carry the  
> design of the group but the contents of the fields too.  Is this  
> not correct?
>
> Len Morgan
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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar 22 12:43:33 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:43:33 +0100
Subject: I'm having a "group" problem
In-Reply-To: <4602AFA9.5040208@crcom.net>
References: <4602AFA9.5040208@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <76BE35EF-497A-4D47-A8E1-3B471398DF96@major-k.de>

Hi Len,

> I'm sorry to keep coming back with what must seem like stupid  
> questions.  This one has me really confused.
>
> I've created a group that contains summary information in a small  
> band that goes on each card.  I have set the behavior to  
> "background."  There is a field filled in on the first card (where  
> I created the group in the first place).
>
> When I created a second card, the group does get added to the card  
> but when I switch between the two cards, the summary data on each  
> card (which is part of the group) is different!  I thought the  
> group (when set to act like a background) would not only carry the  
> design of the group but the contents of the fields too.  Is this  
> not correct?

Make sure that the "sharedtext" property of these fileds is checked!

Grouped fields can have different content on different cards if there  
"sharedtext" prop
is NOT checked, which is the default for most fields!

Same applies to buttons (checkboxes and radiobuttons), see the  
"sharedhilite" property.

> Len Morgan

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 22 12:46:49 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:46:49 -0700
Subject: I'm having a "group" problem
In-Reply-To: <4602AFA9.5040208@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <C2280109.444A5%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/22/07 9:32 AM, "Len Morgan" <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:

> I'm sorry to keep coming back with what must seem like stupid
> questions.  This one has me really confused.
> 
> I've created a group that contains summary information in a small band
> that goes on each card.  I have set the behavior to "background."  There
> is a field filled in on the first card (where I created the group in the
> first place).
> 
> When I created a second card, the group does get added to the card but
> when I switch between the two cards, the summary data on each card
> (which is part of the group) is different!  I thought the group (when
> set to act like a background) would not only carry the design of the
> group but the contents of the fields too.  Is this not correct?
> 
Fields are like records in a database.
Fields on a card usually contains different information.
Setting the 'shared text ' for a field will mean that the same text will
show in all instances of the field, whether on a card, or in a group on a
card.

I think that the text that will be shared is the current instance of the
field when set to true.  This means that if you forget to set to true, add
text to several cards, then set to true, the current card value is used on
all cards.  Setting to false again, will show the individual values again.
I don't have much experience with this.

Label fields have the shared set to true.
Be careful of setting the shared to true, then false, then later back to
true, you might lose data.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 22 12:56:16 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:56:16 +0000
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <355edf82740793c8f69a5a4120eaf7ac@mac.com>
References: <45FFFAF9.5000308@fourthworld.com>
	<E5D6FD59-D249-4624-B60E-1B98CF2417E5@looktowindward.com>
	<p06240802c225e915d6d7@[192.168.1.31]>
	<62A0F132-080A-45F0-9234-5E98192F815A@looktowindward.com>
	<dde34b9b3b4036f5dfae0aa03d9c221f@mac.com>
	<4A6AE781-286E-45DD-8CBF-A4BBC81267B9@looktowindward.com>
	<355edf82740793c8f69a5a4120eaf7ac@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0335780B-43F6-4D29-A3E2-32C0152AF00E@looktowindward.com>


On 21 Mar 2007, at 18:29, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

>
> On 21 Mar 2007, at 18:47, Dave wrote:
>
>>
>> On 21 Mar 2007, at 15:17, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
>> ...
>
>> Actually we started the discussion at cross purposes I think. I  
>> was talking about first level soak (stress) testing in the  
>> development process before the code is checked in, before it goes  
>> to QA and *way* before it gets to beta stage.
>
> I know where you started, I'm neither knowledgeable nor interested  
> enough to comment on your low level techniques.
>
>> ...
>> Having said that, I really wouldn't mind doing the beta testing  
>> for free on a volunteer basis, but not as an expectation!
>
> The mentioned expectation of forcing people to be beta tester  
> hugely depends on three things:
>
> First, there's the expectation from the community, which can be  
> perceived this or that way. For me there are some community members  
> (as in any community) who want you to do as they would want to do  
> themselves. Mostly I ignore those. However, If the most verbose  
> members of a community expect the rest of the community to change  
> according to their own ideals, the community will rupture, dwindle,  
> die. So we as a community of Rev users must watch out for that.
>
> Secondly there's the expectation of RunRev to deliver meaningful  
> bug reports, if you make any. Also before that they want you to  
> look if the bug is already reported. I have no problem with that  
> whatsoever.
>
> The last and most important part of this is How you perceive a  
> message of a demand. This of course depends on the tone of the  
> demand, and how strongly it correlates with your own expectation.
> Imagine someone demanding from you to breathe. In most situations  
> you'd greatly agree, as you yourself deem breathing (vitally)  
> important. Now imagine someone telling you not to breathe. In most  
> situations that would run counter your own experience and  
> principles, and you would declare him stupid.
> The problem is that not all concepts are as all-encompassing for  
> every human as breathing. So what's one persons breathing bugs is  
> another persons not breathing bugs.
>
> Note: I don't want to say you belong to either of the breathing/non  
> breathing people. No one does. Almost every one is somewhere in  
> between these two extremes. As are you, or the people that demand  
> the filing of bugs of you.
>
>> I signed up for the Beta Program a while back, but I heard nothing  
>> for months, then a short while ago I was contacted with the  
>> details, unfortunately I don't have enough time now. When I signed  
>> up I could have put aside a couple of hours a day.
>
> See, you breathe "make beta's immediately after announcing them",  
> and someone else doesn't.

I really don't care if they are made available immediately or not.  
Would have been nice to have known what was going on, but after a few  
days and hearing nothing I forgot all about until it I got the  
message a week or so ago. If I have time I will do some testing, I  
had time then and I don't have time now. No problem, for me anyway. I  
only mentioned it since we were on the subject of being paid to do  
beta testing.

> You shouldn't ask yourself how to force the other person to breathe  
> what you breathe. If the situation bothers you, you should try to  
> find a form of breathing of which you think that both can agree  
> upon, and propose that to the other person. Of course that person  
> might still put you down, but the likelihood is probably  quite a  
> lot smaller.

I really don't want to force anyone to do anything! Most situations  
don't bother me! I found a horrible problem in RunRev that prevented  
me doing something. I spent 1.5 days trying to find a work around. A  
few people from this list also took a look at the problem. I am  
guessing that the whole thing probably took around 3 man days, Once I  
had found a work around I commented that stress testing at the  
development stage would have saved this time, the discussion then  
drifted into "beta" testing.

I suppose my point is that in order to have a beta test, you need to  
have gone thru the steps to get there. It's no good producing  
mountains of code, doing little or no testing at the development  
phase and then throwing that out for beta.

Another problem here is that people may have different ideas on what  
"Beta" means and I haven't seen it defined in terms of RunRev. One  
company I worked for defined it as meaning "Feature Complete, No  
Known Crashing Bugs".

To me. the three main stages of development are:

Development - Non feature complete may crash at any time.
Alpha - Not Feature Complete, with any known crashing bugs documented  
and workarounds for other problems.
Beta - Feature Complete, No Known Crashing bugs.

If a crashing bug is found in the Beta stage, then it reverts back to  
Alpha.

It would obviously be good to know what "Beta" means in terms of RunRev.

All the Best
Dave
















From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 22 13:16:19 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:16:19 -0500
Subject: Collaborative development?
In-Reply-To: <9604688.post@talk.nabble.com>
References: <9604688.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <20070322121619023506.05a5072c@sonsothunder.com>

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 17:59:40 -0700 (PDT), stevex64 wrote:

> 
> Hi List,
> 
> In VB it's relatively easy to develop collaboratively using modules and
> forms. Can you work in a similar manner in Revolution? Is there anything
> like modules in Rev development? And this question isn't just about mods,
> I'm asking for any ideas about collaborative development in Revolution.

Well, you can share stack files in a similar way as you can share forms 
in VB; and you can create code libraries that can be "attached" with 
the "start using" command that are similar to VB code modules. Altuit 
has a Rev-based check-in/check-out program called Magic Carpet, and 
several of us (myself included) have created much simpler version 
control systems to support collaboration. 

The only real "gotcha" (AFAIK) is if you decide to use substacks; in 
that situation it is much more difficult to collaborate as the 
substacks are in the same stack file as the main stack, so if you want 
to have one person work on Substack A while another works on Substack 
B, it takes a bit more to detach and reattach the substack(s) being 
worked on. 

My recommendation would be to:
   (a) move all generic code (the type you'd generally put in VB code 
modules) into libraries
   (b) try as best as possible to use individual stacks (the "forms" 
part of the app) and stay away from substacks if you can
   (c) use a "stub" or "splash app" approach to development (that is, 
turn a very simple stack with basic loading instructions into the 
standalone and leave everything else as stack files)
   (d) use a version control system like Subversion or Magic Carpet for 
check-in/check-out

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 22 14:29:18 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:29:18 -0700
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
Message-ID: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>

Dave continued:

> I suppose my point is that in order to have a beta test, you need to  
> have gone thru the steps to get there. It's no good producing  
> mountains of code, doing little or no testing at the development  
> phase and then throwing that out for beta.

With 20/20 hindsight it's easy to suggest that stress testing would have 
found this leak, and indeed it might well have.  But I don't think it 
would be a cost-effective practice for RunRev to adopt across this product.

In the ten years I've been working with this engine this is the first 
verified leak I've seen.  Let's be generous and say that maybe one or 
two others might have been discovered in that time.  Even then, over a 
decade that's really quite good -- and accomplished without automated 
stress testing.

The export command appears to work well when run once or even a dozen 
times.  Unit testing should always be done, and in this case would yield 
a good result.  Only a sustained test with a great many iterations will 
expose this specific problem, and only in the Rev IDE.  The leak doesn't 
exist in a standalone or in other IDEs, and since some issues may be 
specific to standalones it would be necessary to run any soak tests in 
at least those two environments.

And because Rev supports multiple operating systems, each with differing 
APIs and idiosyncrasies, each of those two tests would need to be run on 
all supported OSes.  Here we already have a combinatorial explosion of 
test scenarios:  2 engines X Win 98, Win2K, WinME, WinXP, Vista, Mac OS 
9, OS X 10.2, OS X 10.3, OS X 10.4, at least one Linux, and for anything 
that involves QT multiply 9 of those by the number of supported QT 
versions.  That's 20 tests without QT, and just for one command.

Now let's look at what needs to be tested.  With the export command 
alone, its various options would introduce maybe 8 tests.
8 permutations X 2 engines X 10 OSes = 160 tests.

With hindsight we can limit the tokens to be tested to just those which 
have been worked on, but given the complexity of the engine and the 
interaction between tokens we'd want to test as many tokens as possible, 
ideally all of them.  Looking at commands alone, not accounting for 
functions and various options for each command, we have 134.

134 commands X 2 engines X 10 OSes = 2680 tests, give or take a few.

At a minimum we'd want to run each test for at least one hour....

See where this is going?

Consider all the effort to design, build, and run these tests, release 
after release, year after year, and after a decade of that we might turn 
up a leak or two and maybe a relative handful of other errors of the 
sort which can be exposed through that specific form of testing.


There are many methods by which a company can improve the quality of 
their work, of which stress testing is only one.  There's also code 
review, unit testing, Beta testing, and more.  Each has its strengths 
and weaknesses, and each is better at exposing certain types of errors 
than the others.

Choosing the right mix of QA options for a given product at a given 
stage will take into account a great many factors, not the least of 
which is ROI.

For a limited subset of features, stress testing can be very useful. 
But it isn't practical to design, build, and run stress tests for every 
feature, and I know of no vendor who does.

That leaves us with the fine art of deciding which features get 
stress-tested and which ones don't.  I know RunRev has stress-tested 
some features, but I don't know how they decide which ones they do.  I'm 
pretty sure this one will be stress-tested now that it's been identified 
as a leak.


Bringing this all back home, the leak you've discovered might well be 
the only one of its kind in more than a decade, and in less than two 
days since it was first reported an alternative solution was found that 
achieves the same result without error.  A bug report has been filed, 
you're back to work, and all is well, in a fraction of the time one 
might expect with similar issues in a great many products.

So looking at the minimal real-world impact of leak issues in Rev, I 
wouldn't be able to arrive at a cost justification for the type of 
stress testing which might have exposed this issue before Beta.

But I'll meet you halfway:

For a software as complex as Rev and which is used in so many very 
different circumstances,  and one which appeals to a relatively slender 
audience (those who enjoy programming are such a small slice of the gene 
pool), the nature of the product will require a strong dependence on 
Beta testing.

Historically, RunRev has often had Beta test cycles shorter than 
industry norms, and for a product with more complexity than average.  So 
while I can't justify stress testing across the product, I would suggest 
that lengthening the Beta cycles to something closer to, and ideally 
exceeding, industry norms would likely improve product quality well 
above the cost of doing so.


> Another problem here is that people may have different ideas on what  
> "Beta" means and I haven't seen it defined in terms of RunRev. One  
> company I worked for defined it as meaning "Feature Complete, No  
> Known Crashing Bugs".

That's the ideal, but I've known no company that ships every Beta in a 
state that meets that definition.

I've participated in tests for Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, and 
others who have shipped Betas while still developing new features.


That you're able to run stress tests on all features and identify 100% 
of requirements to complete satisfaction before your first Beta is quite 
an accomplishment, and we look forward to URLs of the products you ship 
so we can all learn how to improve the quality of our own work.

--
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Thu Mar 22 15:06:29 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:06:29 +0100
Subject: [ANN] Preview Gallery for "Imagedate Toolkit 3"
Message-ID: <4602D3B5.1050803@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

Thanks to all for their positive feedback!

Two questions were asked in this context:

> "Was the original of AutumnColors a photograph?" (Bernard Devlin)


Yes, and that holds for the other images, too, with the exception of the 
"LaqueredPattern"

Here is the original "AutumnColors" photo

<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/AutumnColors.jpg>

and

> " How long does rendering the results take for a  
> reasonably sized image?" (Malte Brill)

Some more words to answer this:

The images of the present public Imagedata Toolkit have a fixed size of 
640x480. Images that differ from this size will be resized to that 
format on importing.
Primarily, this is a matter of convenience, because it makes the effort 
of development of the toolkit a lot easier. One of the technical reasons 
is that for a number of scripts - e.g. for determining gradient widths, 
sections of the image to mirror or duplicate, size of distortion 
graphics etc. - I use absolute numbers instead of relative proportions.
That of course can be changed, but as there are at present about 200 
"scripted" effects (i.e. as opposed to the matrix filters), these would 
need to be updated for variable image sizes. I also use a "private" 
version of the toolkit for variable image sizes, mostly for testing 
purposes and with a limited number of effects.

Another more important reason is that with photo tools like Photoshop, 
Gimp, PaintshopPro etc. you can work with decreased-size images, but the 
achieved effects are there without loss when the image is reverted to 
its original size. This is not possible with Revolution because of the 
nature of "imagedata".
Working on reduced-size images like in other photo tools provides the 
possibility to arrange both image and processing environment (buttons, 
palettes etc.) together on the screen.
A solution for Revolution, which I am considering to implement, would be 
to display only part of a larger image in a group with scrollbars, 
coupled with a preview function that then displays the full image on the 
screen without the environment components.

The images of the Preview Gallery are downsized versions of the original 
640x480 images. They were processed in that original size. I compared 
the processing times for four effects for images 640x480 and 1024x768 on 
my main 2 GHz computer (using Rev engine 2.6.1 and Metacard IDE 2.6.6. 
Using engine 2.8 is about 20% slower for a substantial number of 
effects. Using the Rev IDE causes a further slight slowdown.)

- Derek Bump's "convolve.dll" Windows external for the 3x3 matrix effects:

   180 milliseconds (640x480) vs. 434 milliseconds (1024x768)

- no-external scripted convolve filter for 3x3 matrix effects (including 
my hybrid filters simulating 5x5 up to 11x11 matrices):

  7 seconds (640x480) vs. 19 seconds (1024x768)

- "duplicate colors":

 1570 milliseconds (640x480) vs. 3700 milliseconds (1024x768)

 A great number of effects are in this range.

- "despeckle extreme quick":

  9 seconds (640x480) vs. 23 seconds (1024x768).

Producing image "Van Gogh's Grove - Night Scene" of the Preview Gallery 
- compare again the gallery

 <http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/PreviewToolkit3.htm> -

 took a total of 18 secs and 180 milliseconds: Twice applying "despeckle 
extreme quick" with 9 seconds each and then using the matrix filter 
"colorful lithography" with 180 milliseconds.

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>
 



From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Thu Mar 22 15:50:39 2007
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:50:39 +0100
Subject: Revolution File Suffix
Message-ID: <672211fea0b312c9bad176e10857b523@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I develop my stacks on a Mac and then move them
to a PC (Windows XP Pro). The .rev files display as
RAR Recovery Volume files (I did install WINRAR
on my PC). Is there a confusion between WINRAR
files and Revolution files ? What can I do to solve the
problem ?

In actual fact I don't use WINRAR, so I could sacrifice
it, because I would like to double-click on a Revolution
stack and immediately execute it (is this possible ?)

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 22 16:06:39 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:06:39 -0600
Subject: Collaborative development?
In-Reply-To: <20070322121619023506.05a5072c@sonsothunder.com>
References: <9604688.post@talk.nabble.com>
	<20070322121619023506.05a5072c@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703221306u8596044q5d6d8cfcab615db6@mail.gmail.com>

You can also use MagicCarpet as a plugin for Revolution as a way to manage
version controls.
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/MagicCarpetCover/default.htm

best,
Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 22 16:17:57 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 14:17:57 -0600
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>
References: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703221317x4991975bpd2c32cdcc095839c@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,

I typically hate to post 'me too' posts, but I have to agree with your most
thorough analysis of this problem. While I haven't used the engine yet for
10 years, I have logged quite a number of hours and commercial project
releases with it. I've never had a problem with memory leaks. I believe I do
have some of the more graphical applications in development. ButtonGadget
and ButtonGaget2, close to 5 years old and 1000's of commercial sales on
both Mac and PC, has never had a single report of memory leakage-- nor for
that matter random crashing.

Hemingway PC, our content management system, stays open for weeks at a time
without any problems. Same is true for our Enterprise development apps. We
recently finished a product which was shipped in over 1 million devices and
we expect no problems. I could go on and on, but you get my point.

I'd *MUCH RATHER* RunRev focus their efforts on know bugs, feature additions
and customer support than start running down this particular rabbit trail.

Thanks for your eloquent post on this subject.

best,
Chipp


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 22 16:27:14 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:27:14 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: defaultFolder . . .
Message-ID: <862649.10450.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

So I pop the following into a button:

on mouseUp
  create folder "FUZZ"
  set the defaultFolder to it
end mouseUp

and, when I subsequently export a txt file it does NOT
end up inside "FUZZ"

so try the following:

on mouseUp
  create folder "FUZZ"
  set the defaultFolder to "/FUZZ"
end mouseUp

still no joy

obviously I am going wrong somewhere!

where?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From klaus at major-k.de  Thu Mar 22 16:39:51 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 21:39:51 +0100
Subject: defaultFolder . . .
In-Reply-To: <862649.10450.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <862649.10450.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E4EDF416-3E9B-4D18-856A-960199A8B788@major-k.de>

Hi Richmond,

> So I pop the following into a button:
>
> on mouseUp
>   create folder "FUZZ"
>   set the defaultFolder to it
> end mouseUp
>
> and, when I subsequently export a txt file it does NOT
> end up inside "FUZZ"
>
> so try the following:
>
> on mouseUp
>   create folder "FUZZ"
>   set the defaultFolder to "/FUZZ"
> end mouseUp
>
> still no joy
>
> obviously I am going wrong somewhere!
>
> where?

I think that IT will only hold the name of created controls inside of  
Rev!
"create folder XXX" is another beast ;-)

Try:
on mouseUp
   create folder "FUZZ"
   ## since you did not specify an absolute path
   ## the folder will be created in the current directory

   set the folder to (the folder & "/FUZZ")
   ## less characters to type ;-)

   ## the folder = the directory = the defaultfolder
end mouseUp

> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

Regards

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 22 16:43:43 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:43:43 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: defaultFolder . . . 2
Message-ID: <18350.72426.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wow, my mind is going!

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2006-June/083626.html

and, may be, just may be, some other minds have been
distracted?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From wjm at wjm.org  Thu Mar 22 17:04:20 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:04:20 -0400
Subject: Revolution File Suffix
References: <672211fea0b312c9bad176e10857b523@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <etur0j$nrj$1@sea.gmane.org>

Francis,

> I develop my stacks on a Mac and then move them
> to a PC (Windows XP Pro). The .rev files display as
> RAR Recovery Volume files (I did install WINRAR
> on my PC). Is there a confusion between WINRAR
> files and Revolution files ? What can I do to solve the
> problem ?

You should be able to change the file association by right-clicking a .rev 
file and using the "Open with..." command. Additionally, you should check to 
see if WinRAR has an option to control what extensions it tries to take 
over.

> In actual fact I don't use WINRAR, so I could sacrifice
> it, because I would like to double-click on a Revolution
> stack and immediately execute it (is this possible ?)

I highly recommend 7zip as an alternative to WinRAR. It is much cleaner 
about Explorer integration, handles the major compression formats, and so 
on. 





From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 22 17:19:17 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:19:17 -0500
Subject: Revolution File Suffix
In-Reply-To: <672211fea0b312c9bad176e10857b523@wanadoo.fr>
References: <672211fea0b312c9bad176e10857b523@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <20070322161917149825.7d410ad8@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:50:39 +0100, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote:

> Hi from Paris,
> 
> I develop my stacks on a Mac and then move them
> to a PC (Windows XP Pro). The .rev files display as
> RAR Recovery Volume files (I did install WINRAR
> on my PC). Is there a confusion between WINRAR
> files and Revolution files ? What can I do to solve the
> problem ?

Yes - both Rev and WinRAR uses the ".rev" extension. 

> In actual fact I don't use WINRAR, so I could sacrifice
> it, because I would like to double-click on a Revolution
> stack and immediately execute it (is this possible ?)

Yes, you should be able to right-clck a .rev file and choose "Open 
with..." and select Revolution. Then in the dialog there should be a 
checkbox that says something like "Always use the selected program to 
open this kind of file". Make sure this is checked and click OK.

That should do it.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 22 18:18:24 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:18:24 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: ScreenSnap
Message-ID: <476718.14967.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In light of recent messages on this use-list I have
just uploaded to RevOnline a "ScreenSnap" stack - does
the standard snapshot trick and can also export a
sequence of JPEGS at 5 per second for a set time for
processing in a movie-making utility.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Mar 22 19:22:31 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:22:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Did you notice a change in the forums?
In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210703202015h6811dfcetcd1e7d2989ed65aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0703221622160.2423-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

As long as it's not half-baked...

;-)

Judy

On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, Chipp Walters wrote:

> I guess it's either half-full or half-empty.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Mar 22 19:34:27 2007
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:34:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Runtime Revolution Partners with Audio Companies Mojo Audio and
 Meshbox Music
In-Reply-To: <017d01c76bcf$7ce233f0$6401a8c0@YOUR68B8D1092F>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0703221633520.2423-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

This sounds like really great news!

Judy

On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Lynn Fredricks wrote:

> Runtime Revolution Partners with Audio Companies Mojo Audio and Meshbox
> Music
>
> Leading Interactive Media Company to Promote Royalty Free Content
>
> Edinburgh, Scotland. Runtime Revolution Ltd, the leader in multi-platform
> rich media and application development tools for the Microsoft Vista and
> MacOS X platforms, announces partnerships with professional audio studios
> Mojo Audio and Meshbox Music.
>
> Runtime Revolution is the developer of the Runtime Revolution cross-platform
> rapid application and media project development tool. Runtime Revolution can
> compile to the following platforms: Microsoft Windows (98SE, 2000 Pro, XP,
> Vista), Mac OS X PPC, Mac OS X Intel, Linux and Solaris - giving full
> ability to develop, test and debug cross-platform applications.
>
> Mojo Audio (http://www.mojoaudio.com), based in Eugene, Oregon and Meshbox
> Design's Music division (http://www.meshbox.com) are both developers of
> professional audio content for the game industry. Mojo Audio specializes in
> high quality special effects for game production. Meshbox Design's Music
> division licenses royalty free soundtracks primarily to the game and
> animation industries.
>
> "Professional games - even casual games - are utterly transformed by high
> quality audio and special sound effects. We are interested in making high
> quality content available to our customers who deploy interactive projects
> and games on MacOS X and Windows," said Kevin Miller, CEO of Runtime
> Revolution.
>
> The audio products are available through the RevSelect section of the
> Runtime Revolution online store, with selected collections discounted
> through the end of March 2007.
>
> Revolution is a development environment of firsts: it is the first non-Apple
> rapid application development environment with true, Universal binary
> compilation. It is also the first and only development environment with
> direct, native compilation for the highly secure U3 smart drive platform.
> Revolution can also run directly off of a secure U3 compatible drive. U3 is
> a wholly owned subsidiary of SanDisk.
>
> Revolution Enterprise 2.8 has a USSRP of $999. Purchasers of Revolution
> Studio ($399 and higher through March 2007 can also receive a free copy of
> the wildly popular virtualization software - Parallels.
>
>
> About Runtime Revolution
>
> Founded in 1997, Runtime Revolution focuses on bringing user-centric
> software development to all major platforms: Windows, Macintosh, Linux, and
> Unix. The company is based in Edinburgh, Scotland. For more information on
> Runtime Revolution, please visit the company on the web at
> http://www.runrev.com or http://www.tenthumbstypingtutor.com.
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Thu Mar 22 19:58:47 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:58:47 +0000
Subject: Runtime Revolution Partners with Audio Companies Mojo Audio and
	Meshbox Music
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0703221633520.2423-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0703221633520.2423-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <67FFEA25-9E8C-4F9D-804D-521609FD0A02@anachreon.co.uk>

He he... 'sounds like'... he he... :)

Cheers,

Luis.


On 22 Mar 2007, at 23:34, Judy Perry wrote:

> This sounds like really great news!
>
> Judy
>
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Lynn Fredricks wrote:
>
>> Runtime Revolution Partners with Audio Companies Mojo Audio and  
>> Meshbox
>> Music
>>
>> Leading Interactive Media Company to Promote Royalty Free Content
>>
>> Edinburgh, Scotland. Runtime Revolution Ltd, the leader in multi- 
>> platform
>> rich media and application development tools for the Microsoft  
>> Vista and
>> MacOS X platforms, announces partnerships with professional audio  
>> studios
>> Mojo Audio and Meshbox Music.
>>
>> Runtime Revolution is the developer of the Runtime Revolution  
>> cross-platform
>> rapid application and media project development tool. Runtime  
>> Revolution can
>> compile to the following platforms: Microsoft Windows (98SE, 2000  
>> Pro, XP,
>> Vista), Mac OS X PPC, Mac OS X Intel, Linux and Solaris - giving full
>> ability to develop, test and debug cross-platform applications.
>>
>> Mojo Audio (http://www.mojoaudio.com), based in Eugene, Oregon and  
>> Meshbox
>> Design's Music division (http://www.meshbox.com) are both  
>> developers of
>> professional audio content for the game industry. Mojo Audio  
>> specializes in
>> high quality special effects for game production. Meshbox Design's  
>> Music
>> division licenses royalty free soundtracks primarily to the game and
>> animation industries.
>>
>> "Professional games - even casual games - are utterly transformed  
>> by high
>> quality audio and special sound effects. We are interested in  
>> making high
>> quality content available to our customers who deploy interactive  
>> projects
>> and games on MacOS X and Windows," said Kevin Miller, CEO of Runtime
>> Revolution.
>>
>> The audio products are available through the RevSelect section of the
>> Runtime Revolution online store, with selected collections discounted
>> through the end of March 2007.
>>
>> Revolution is a development environment of firsts: it is the first  
>> non-Apple
>> rapid application development environment with true, Universal binary
>> compilation. It is also the first and only development environment  
>> with
>> direct, native compilation for the highly secure U3 smart drive  
>> platform.
>> Revolution can also run directly off of a secure U3 compatible  
>> drive. U3 is
>> a wholly owned subsidiary of SanDisk.
>>
>> Revolution Enterprise 2.8 has a USSRP of $999. Purchasers of  
>> Revolution
>> Studio ($399 and higher through March 2007 can also receive a free  
>> copy of
>> the wildly popular virtualization software - Parallels.
>>
>>
>> About Runtime Revolution
>>
>> Founded in 1997, Runtime Revolution focuses on bringing user-centric
>> software development to all major platforms: Windows, Macintosh,  
>> Linux, and
>> Unix. The company is based in Edinburgh, Scotland. For more  
>> information on
>> Runtime Revolution, please visit the company on the web at
>> http://www.runrev.com or http://www.tenthumbstypingtutor.com.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
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From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Thu Mar 22 21:12:37 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 01:12:37 +0000
Subject: must externals be written in only in  C/C++ ?
Message-ID: <B70E52A1-3514-4908-9091-9A719D44E622@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

I'm just wondering if they can be written e.g. using FreePascal (it  
seems to have performance lying in the range between C and C++ and it  
is cross-platform).

Bernard


From niconiko at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 22:03:10 2007
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:03:10 +0900
Subject: unicodeText problem with Japanese
Message-ID: <1e91b2b70703221903j1cad1055w9874e0e148e26e61@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you to Devin for the replace with
uniencode idea, but after trying it out
the result was that a large portion of the
original text disappeared.

However, my bigger problem is not the
end-of-line character, but rather what to
do about the effect one particular Japanese
kanji is having on the text.

Namely, that though I can see the line
bearing that kanji as one line in the field,
to scripting functions such as htmlText
or unicodeText or even "number of lines"
treat that one line as if it were two. The
result being that the problematic line
gets cut into two at that particular kanji's
position, and the kanji itself becoming
transformed into another character.

And yet, all the lines before and after that
particular line work fine, though.

My worry is not how to fix this, but rather
not knowing if there are other particular
kanji that might result in a similar effect.

Incidentally, the final goal is to retrieve
the Japanese text file over a network
(rather than from a local pc). Are there
unicode issues involved in this too? I'm
hoping that using "write data to socket"
won't affect the text file itself.

Cheers,

Nicolas Cueto


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Mar 22 22:30:05 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 20:30:05 -0600
Subject: unknown software exception
In-Reply-To: <4721A705-87DC-4C9A-89CD-3A09830BBDF0@iglow-media.nl>
References: <4721A705-87DC-4C9A-89CD-3A09830BBDF0@iglow-media.nl>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703221930x5df35d66j18b82c45cbd4f9fe@mail.gmail.com>

Henk,

It's not clear from your post whether it's a RunRev app which is throwing
the error or not. If it is , then I would suggest you try and first create a
recipe for reproducing the error. If you can, you should be able to debug
inside the IDE. If you can't, then next I'd suggest you consider writing and
appending a log file every few seconds, to see if you can't determine what
was happening BEFORE the crash. That should help you figure out what the
problem is.

best,
Chipp


From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Thu Mar 22 23:41:19 2007
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:41:19 -0400
Subject: must externals be written in only in C/C++ ?
Message-ID: <9b48101c41f7e4e949a935362d220afe@wehostmacs.com>

I believe the language they're written in isn't important, but the 
hooks that get exported need to be in a certain format and usually only 
C/C++ compilers do it.. I might also be lacking sleep ;-)

-Sean



From katir at hindu.org  Thu Mar 22 23:46:03 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:46:03 -1000
Subject: Bug in "the folders"?
Message-ID: <46034D7B.6010106@hindu.org>

2.8 mac osx 10.4.9

I think I hit a bug .. "the folders" is skipping any folder that begins
with a space.
this is something new (our team tends to put spaces at the beginning of
folder names
to force to the top. Whether this is "best practice" or not is a
separate issue.

The following "old" directory walker I have use for "decades" from Ken Ray.

Suddenly it is skipping any folders that start with a space.





on directoryWalk gMainFolder

   set the itemDel to "/"
   set the directory to gMainFolder
   put the files into  tFiles
put the files into temp

put fld "ID"  into tID
set the itemdel to "_"
repeat for each line x in temp
   if item 1 of x = tID then put x & cr after tHits
end repeat

   sort temp
   repeat for each line x in temp
     if x is not empty then
       put gMainFolder & "/" & x & cr after gHierList
     end if
   end repeat
   put the folders into tDirList # any folder that begin with space are
not returned here.
   sort tDirList
   delete line 1 of tDirList
   repeat for each line x in tDirList
     if x = ".."  then next repeat
     directoryWalk (gMainFolder & "/" & x)
   end repeat
end directoryWalk


Can someone confirm?

Sivakatirswami



From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 01:39:39 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:39:39 +1000
Subject: Bug in "the folders"?
In-Reply-To: <46034D7B.6010106@hindu.org>
References: <46034D7B.6010106@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703222239u1acaf57ak65328e07aa6a62b0@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/23/07, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
> 2.8 mac osx 10.4.9
>
> I think I hit a bug .. "the folders" is skipping any folder that begins
> with a space.
> this is something new (our team tends to put spaces at the beginning of
> folder names
> to force to the top. Whether this is "best practice" or not is a
> separate issue.
>

It works fine for me, but I'm on a PPC Mac. Maybe it's an Intel problem?

Sarah


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar 23 01:55:38 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 02:55:38 -0300
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on USB pendrive
Message-ID: <46036BDA.5040600@howsoft.com>

If anyone really has the patience (not me), Ubuntu themselves provide 
instructions for installing the operating system on a USB pendrive at:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent

Bob


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar 23 02:19:47 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 03:19:47 -0300
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on USB pendrive
Message-ID: <46037183.7070807@howsoft.com>

If you would like Ubuntu on a pendrive, there's no need to install it 
yourself. You can get one (1GB) for $31.99 at:

http://store.madtux.org/product_info.php?products_id=252&osCsid=36ecf0

Bob


From alex at harryscollar.com  Fri Mar 23 04:46:33 2007
From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:46:33 +1000
Subject: Bug in "the folders"?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703222239u1acaf57ak65328e07aa6a62b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <46034D7B.6010106@hindu.org>
	<f99b52860703222239u1acaf57ak65328e07aa6a62b0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <460393E9.9070608@harryscollar.com>

hi

On XP I just noticed you cannot even create a folder with a preceding 
space char thru the desktop (it gets removed) but can create them with 
rev.. learn something new every day :)

regards
alex


Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On 3/23/07, Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:
>> 2.8 mac osx 10.4.9
>>
>> I think I hit a bug .. "the folders" is skipping any folder that begins
>> with a space.
>> this is something new (our team tends to put spaces at the beginning of
>> folder names
>> to force to the top. Whether this is "best practice" or not is a
>> separate issue.
>>
> 
> It works fine for me, but I'm on a PPC Mac. Maybe it's an Intel problem?


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 23 05:14:06 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:14:06 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Bug in "the folders"?
Message-ID: <882455.93446.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Dear Sivakatirswami

For what its worth:

On Mac OS X all sorts of things go wrong when one uses
folders with spaces (either leading or otherwise) in
their names.

It was impossible to install the RunRev Beta tests
into any folders with spaces in their names (Mac OS
10.4.8)

So, how much of this is RunRev in itself, and how much
this is something to do with the operating system I
wouldn't like to say.

Having said that, I just made a stack with one button
with the script:

on mouseUp
  create folder "   THREESPACES"
  set the defaultFolder to (the defaultFolder & "/" &
"   THREESPACES")
  export snapShot to file "Test.jpg" as JPEG
end mouseUp

AND, surprise, surprise:

it made me a folder inside my RR folder called "  
THREESPACES"
and after I selected my area to be "snapped" it saved
the "Test.jpg" inside that folder!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

____________________________________________________________

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From kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com  Fri Mar 23 05:16:19 2007
From: kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com (Kirill Pekarov)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:16:19 +0200
Subject: Auto scaling image object.
Message-ID: <1597626424.20070323111619@valentina-db.com>

Hi, All.

  I have image object, and set image by text property (set the text of
  image). But size of image object changes to size of source image.

  How can I set the source image auto scale to size of image object?

  Thanks!
  
-- 
Best regards, 

Kirill Pekarov
Software Engineer Associate
Paradigma Software, Inc
Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database
http://www.valentina-db.com



From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Fri Mar 23 05:22:49 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:22:49 +0000
Subject: Bug in "the folders"?
In-Reply-To: <882455.93446.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <882455.93446.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <181E0227-1F33-4F2C-9994-208E2E981AF7@azurevision.co.uk>


On 23 Mar 2007, at 09:14, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> For what its worth:
>
> On Mac OS X all sorts of things go wrong when one uses
> folders with spaces (either leading or otherwise) in
> their names.

For what it's worth, the only time I've ever had problems with spaces  
in folder names on OS X is forgetting to escape them in shell commands.

Ian


From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 23 05:43:42 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:43:42 +0000
Subject: must externals be written in only in  C/C++ ?
In-Reply-To: <B70E52A1-3514-4908-9091-9A719D44E622@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
References: <B70E52A1-3514-4908-9091-9A719D44E622@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <FB228B8F-7D34-432A-B924-5B99EB751DCF@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

If you can get the header generated so that it can be identified  
correctly then it should  work in any language. The project I am  
working on uses a library that is written in Pascal. I used  
FreePascal to compile it then included it into a C/C++ Wrapper XCode  
Project. The C/C++ layer just coverts the parametesr received from  
RunRev and calsl the appropriate function(s) in the Pascal Library.  
This works pretty well although it's harder to Debug, but a lot  
better option than converting the Library from Pascal to C/C++.

All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2007, at 01:12, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> I'm just wondering if they can be written e.g. using FreePascal (it  
> seems to have performance lying in the range between C and C++ and  
> it is cross-platform).
>
> Bernard
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Mar 23 05:57:50 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:57:50 +0000
Subject: Bug in "the folders"?
In-Reply-To: <181E0227-1F33-4F2C-9994-208E2E981AF7@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <882455.93446.qm@web37509.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<181E0227-1F33-4F2C-9994-208E2E981AF7@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4603A49E.3060606@anachreon.co.uk>

What about using '_' to force them to the top? Don't use '.' as it's 
reserved for System files/folders.
Other than that there's prefixing them with numbers, like '001'. I use 
something like to trace folder dates from their names.

Cheers,

Luis.


Ian Wood wrote:
> 
> On 23 Mar 2007, at 09:14, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> 
>> For what its worth:
>>
>> On Mac OS X all sorts of things go wrong when one uses
>> folders with spaces (either leading or otherwise) in
>> their names.
> 
> For what it's worth, the only time I've ever had problems with spaces in 
> folder names on OS X is forgetting to escape them in shell commands.
> 
> Ian
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Mar 23 06:04:45 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:04:45 +0000
Subject: Installing Ubuntu on USB pendrive
In-Reply-To: <46037183.7070807@howsoft.com>
References: <46037183.7070807@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <4603A63D.7000702@anachreon.co.uk>

If anyone's into heavy data transfer, or has a large database attached 
to their USB boot OS app, I've found a shop here in London (YoYo Tech, 
in Windmill Street, just off Tottenham Court Road) that does 16GB USB 
sticks (Corsair brand) for ?101. Website is www.yoyotech.co.uk
Remember to reformat the drives before use.

Cheers,

Luis.


Bob Warren wrote:
> If you would like Ubuntu on a pendrive, there's no need to install it 
> yourself. You can get one (1GB) for $31.99 at:
> 
> http://store.madtux.org/product_info.php?products_id=252&osCsid=36ecf0
> 
> Bob
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Mar 23 07:22:39 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:22:39 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.8.0 gm4 is out!
Message-ID: <4603B87F.50505@anachreon.co.uk>

Thought I'd let you know.

Cheers,

Luis.



From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 23 07:40:30 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:40:30 +0000
Subject: Auto scaling image object.
In-Reply-To: <1597626424.20070323111619@valentina-db.com>
References: <1597626424.20070323111619@valentina-db.com>
Message-ID: <73C2327B-CC9F-4C90-A7A9-C551E41BACF9@looktowindward.com>

Just check the Lock Size checkbox in the size and position panel in  
the Property Inspector for the image object.

Hope this Helps
All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2007, at 09:16, Kirill Pekarov wrote:

> Hi, All.
>
>   I have image object, and set image by text property (set the text of
>   image). But size of image object changes to size of source image.
>
>   How can I set the source image auto scale to size of image object?
>
>   Thanks!
>
> -- 
> Best regards,
>
> Kirill Pekarov
> Software Engineer Associate
> Paradigma Software, Inc
> Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database
> http://www.valentina-db.com
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 23 07:41:50 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:41:50 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.8.0 gm4 is out!
In-Reply-To: <4603B87F.50505@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <4603B87F.50505@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2A39C107-5EF2-4771-B5BB-CA4D7599AA4B@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Is this a regular download, e.g. just from the www.runrev.com  
download web page?

Oh and do you know how can you check the version number before you  
install it?

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2007, at 11:22, Luis wrote:

> Thought I'd let you know.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Mar 23 07:55:07 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:55:07 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.8.0 gm4 is out!
In-Reply-To: <2A39C107-5EF2-4771-B5BB-CA4D7599AA4B@looktowindward.com>
References: <4603B87F.50505@anachreon.co.uk>
	<2A39C107-5EF2-4771-B5BB-CA4D7599AA4B@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <4603C01B.4090505@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

I got it by checking for updates within RunRev.
It gives you the version (2.8.0 gm4). After installing it asks you 
whether you want to make it the default version.
I'd then recommend restarting it.

Cheers,

Luis.


Dave wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is this a regular download, e.g. just from the www.runrev.com download 
> web page?
> 
> Oh and do you know how can you check the version number before you 
> install it?
> 
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
> On 23 Mar 2007, at 11:22, Luis wrote:
> 
>> Thought I'd let you know.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Luis.
>>
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From jc at spl21.net  Fri Mar 23 08:08:16 2007
From: jc at spl21.net (John Craig)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:08:16 +0000
Subject: group horizontal scrollbar movement
Message-ID: <4603C330.2040003@spl21.net>

Anyone know if there is a reason why clicking on the arrows on a 
horizontal scrollbar on a group moves the thumb AWAY from the arrow you 
clicked on?  (Windows + Rev 2.8)

JC




From kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com  Fri Mar 23 08:11:29 2007
From: kirill_pekarov at valentina-db.com (Kirill Pekarov)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:11:29 +0200
Subject: Auto scaling image object.
In-Reply-To: <73C2327B-CC9F-4C90-A7A9-C551E41BACF9@looktowindward.com>
References: <1597626424.20070323111619@valentina-db.com>
	<73C2327B-CC9F-4C90-A7A9-C551E41BACF9@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <1209525627.20070323141129@valentina-db.com>

Hi, Dave.

> Just check the Lock Size checkbox in the size and position panel in
> the Property Inspector for the image object.

> Hope this Helps

Yes, thank a lot!

-- 
Best regards,

Kirill Pekarov
Software Engineer Associate
Paradigma Software, Inc
Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database
http://www.valentina-db.com



From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 23 08:35:22 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:35:22 +0000
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>
References: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E441D0CD-2D85-43FC-B7F2-565A7C33B263@looktowindward.com>


On 22 Mar 2007, at 18:29, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dave continued:
>
>> I suppose my point is that in order to have a beta test, you need  
>> to  have gone thru the steps to get there. It's no good producing   
>> mountains of code, doing little or no testing at the development   
>> phase and then throwing that out for beta.
>
> With 20/20 hindsight it's easy to suggest that stress testing would  
> have found this leak, and indeed it might well have.  But I don't  
> think it would be a cost-effective practice for RunRev to adopt  
> across this product.
>
> In the ten years I've been working with this engine this is the  
> first verified leak I've seen.  Let's be generous and say that  
> maybe one or two others might have been discovered in that time.   
> Even then, over a decade that's really quite good -- and  
> accomplished without automated stress testing.

There were three problems, the leak was just one of them.

> The export command appears to work well when run once or even a  
> dozen times.  Unit testing should always be done, and in this case  
> would yield a good result.  Only a sustained test with a great many  
> iterations will expose this specific problem, and only in the Rev  
> IDE.  The leak doesn't exist in a standalone or in other IDEs, and  
> since some issues may be specific to standalones it would be  
> necessary to run any soak tests in at least those two environments.

Not really if you were to write files 1 to 300 you would hit it at  
288 and I had it happen earlier than that to start with. In fact the  
memory leak would be visible straight away, all you have to do is run  
once it and look at the memory allocations.

> And because Rev supports multiple operating systems, each with  
> differing APIs and idiosyncrasies, each of those two tests would  
> need to be run on all supported OSes.  Here we already have a  
> combinatorial explosion of test scenarios:  2 engines X Win 98,  
> Win2K, WinME, WinXP, Vista, Mac OS 9, OS X 10.2, OS X 10.3, OS X  
> 10.4, at least one Linux, and for anything that involves QT  
> multiply 9 of those by the number of supported QT versions.  That's  
> 20 tests without QT, and just for one command.

Agreed. To test it all those platforms would be hard. But in this  
case it just needed to be tested on the development machine of the  
person doing the coding and stressed for a lot of  operations. I do  
this automatically without even thinking about it.

I agree that you'd have to run it under the IDE and as a Standalone.  
To start with you just run it in the IDE, then at some point when you  
feel the time is right you build a standalone. To build a standalone  
for Mac and Windows takes literally seconds and in the case of the  
export snapshot the tests take 2 minutes to run.
>
> Consider all the effort to design, build, and run these tests,  
> release after release, year after year, and after a decade of that  
> we might turn up a leak or two and maybe a relative handful of  
> other errors of the sort which can be exposed through that specific  
> form of testing.

Took me 10 minutes to build the test for the export snapshot command  
and 2 minutes to run it. On the first part I was working on (last  
week) it took me 30 minutes to build the tests and about the same to  
run the tests. I then ran it at least once a day (after I'd added/ 
changed things) to make sure I hadn't broken something.
>
>> Another problem here is that people may have different ideas on  
>> what  "Beta" means and I haven't seen it defined in terms of  
>> RunRev. One  company I worked for defined it as meaning "Feature  
>> Complete, No  Known Crashing Bugs".
>
> That's the ideal, but I've known no company that ships every Beta  
> in a state that meets that definition.
>

Well, I've beta tested Photoshop and I AFAIK there were no known  
crashing bugs and AFAIR it was feature complete.
> I've participated in tests for Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, and  
> others who have shipped Betas while still developing new features.
>

"Feature Complete" was just the way that company did it, I've also  
seen that beta versions that still being developed. I was trying to  
find out what "beta" meant in the wonderful world of RunRev.

>
> That you're able to run stress tests on all features and identify  
> 100% of requirements to complete satisfaction before your first  
> Beta is quite an accomplishment,

Could you tell me where I said that? I run Stress Tests while  
developing my software as for requirements and when Beta testing is  
performed is up to the company I am working for in this case. In the  
past I have worked where this was the case though.

However stress testing is not an accomplishment at all it's really  
easy, that's why I really can't see why you are going on about it, I  
do it without even thinking about it! In fact I was absolutely  
gobsmacked that you were surprised that this was my way of working.

> and we look forward to URLs of the products you ship so we can all  
> learn how to improve the quality of our own work.

Now you're just being silly!  How will looking at the products I have  
worked on help you learn how to improve the quality of your own work?  
Besides which unless you just happen to have ?50,000+ worth of video  
equipment lying around it wouldn't do you much good!

And Apart from all that - I've told you how to do it already!

Take Care and All the Best
Dave



From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 23 08:36:33 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:36:33 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.8.0 gm4 is out!
In-Reply-To: <4603C01B.4090505@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <4603B87F.50505@anachreon.co.uk>
	<2A39C107-5EF2-4771-B5BB-CA4D7599AA4B@looktowindward.com>
	<4603C01B.4090505@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4621F147-7B4F-4768-8F4B-C37E64273EE4@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I can't seem to find the "Check for Updates" command! Where does it  
live??

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2007, at 11:55, Luis wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> I got it by checking for updates within RunRev.
> It gives you the version (2.8.0 gm4). After installing it asks you  
> whether you want to make it the default version.
> I'd then recommend restarting it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>
>
> Dave wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Is this a regular download, e.g. just from the www.runrev.com  
>> download web page?
>> Oh and do you know how can you check the version number before you  
>> install it?
>> Thanks a lot
>> All the Best
>> Dave
>> On 23 Mar 2007, at 11:22, Luis wrote:
>>> Thought I'd let you know.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Luis.
>>>
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From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Fri Mar 23 08:55:34 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:55:34 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.8.0 gm4 is out!
In-Reply-To: <4621F147-7B4F-4768-8F4B-C37E64273EE4@looktowindward.com>
References: <4603B87F.50505@anachreon.co.uk>	<2A39C107-5EF2-4771-B5BB-CA4D7599AA4B@looktowindward.com>	<4603C01B.4090505@anachreon.co.uk>
	<4621F147-7B4F-4768-8F4B-C37E64273EE4@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <4603CE46.9000800@anachreon.co.uk>

Hiya,

Mine's in the top menu dropdown 'Help/Check for Updates...' on OS X.

Cheers,

Luis.


Dave wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I can't seem to find the "Check for Updates" command! Where does it live??
> 
> Thanks a lot
> All the Best
> Dave
> 
> On 23 Mar 2007, at 11:55, Luis wrote:
> 
>> Hiya,
>>
>> I got it by checking for updates within RunRev.
>> It gives you the version (2.8.0 gm4). After installing it asks you 
>> whether you want to make it the default version.
>> I'd then recommend restarting it.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Luis.
>>
>>
>> Dave wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> Is this a regular download, e.g. just from the www.runrev.com 
>>> download web page?
>>> Oh and do you know how can you check the version number before you 
>>> install it?
>>> Thanks a lot
>>> All the Best
>>> Dave
>>> On 23 Mar 2007, at 11:22, Luis wrote:
>>>> Thought I'd let you know.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Luis.
>>>>
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 09:14:10 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:14:10 +0800
Subject: error in function handler revPaletteObjects
In-Reply-To: <98288B4B-F6E1-4B98-BB3F-9FEA013F3D53@dimensionB.de>
References: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
	<CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>
	<f73a98160703212009t582c2ac4lb796f4fba56ba9d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<98288B4B-F6E1-4B98-BB3F-9FEA013F3D53@dimensionB.de>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703230614n35f960d1g3b077a596e69710a@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/22/07, Ralf Bitter <rabit at dimensionb.de> wrote:
>
> the cCurrentObject  property is set on openField.
> If you make a copy of your stack and move it to
> another directory the property will not be updated
> because of the following line in the revPaletteObjects function:
>
> "if the cCurrentObject of the target is not empty then return the
> cCurrentObject of the target"


Thanks Ralf for taking the time to reply.

It still begs the question as to what are the likely ramifications of having
cCurrentObject store the 'old' file path rather than the current file path?
I notice 'archiving' features in programs such as Galaxy don't seem to do
anything special, all the current 'archives' I have the cCurrentObject
doesn't point to the archive file, but to the 'working' file.

Also, my assumption that at some stage cCurrentObject must be updated at
some stage (have no idea when) is based on the fact that, as mentioned
earlier I start my scripting day by duplicating the project I'm working on
and giving it a new version number. As I look back at some of those, most,
but not all have cCurrentObject that reflect their proper file path.

I wouldn't normally worry too much about this as my stacks are working fine,
but I'm just starting to see some strange behaviour in the Variable Watcher
since 2.8.0 gm3.

Thanks


From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 23 09:34:52 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:34:52 +0000
Subject: Rev 2.8.0 gm4 is out!
In-Reply-To: <4603CE46.9000800@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <4603B87F.50505@anachreon.co.uk>	<2A39C107-5EF2-4771-B5BB-CA4D7599AA4B@looktowindward.com>	<4603C01B.4090505@anachreon.co.uk>
	<4621F147-7B4F-4768-8F4B-C37E64273EE4@looktowindward.com>
	<4603CE46.9000800@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <27A11878-E948-4B5D-BC53-8679B1863522@looktowindward.com>

Thanks, found it now.

Cheers
Dave

On 23 Mar 2007, at 12:55, Luis wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> Mine's in the top menu dropdown 'Help/Check for Updates...' on OS X.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Fri Mar 23 11:08:03 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:08:03 -0800
Subject: Runtime Revolution Partners with Audio Companies Mojo Audio and
	Meshbox Music
In-Reply-To: <67FFEA25-9E8C-4F9D-804D-521609FD0A02@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0703221633520.2423-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
	<67FFEA25-9E8C-4F9D-804D-521609FD0A02@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6146236855.20070323070803@ahsoftware.net>

Luis-

Thursday, March 22, 2007, 3:58:47 PM, you wrote:

> He he... 'sounds like'... he he... :)

<groan>

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar 23 10:26:35 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:26:35 -0600
Subject: unicodeText problem with Japanese
In-Reply-To: <1e91b2b70703221903j1cad1055w9874e0e148e26e61@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e91b2b70703221903j1cad1055w9874e0e148e26e61@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <90DD15E6-A6F2-427D-82E7-4FB5B4A824E7@byu.edu>

Nicolas,

I'm not sure what's causing your problems. Could it be related to  
this bug?

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3614

Kenji Kojima is the expert in unicode kanji issues. You might try  
contacting him--his email address is in the bug report. He also hangs  
out on the list from time to time. If anyone can help you solve your  
problem Kenji can.

Devin


On Mar 22, 2007, at 8:03 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote:

> Thank you to Devin for the replace with
> uniencode idea, but after trying it out
> the result was that a large portion of the
> original text disappeared.
>
> However, my bigger problem is not the
> end-of-line character, but rather what to
> do about the effect one particular Japanese
> kanji is having on the text.
>
> Namely, that though I can see the line
> bearing that kanji as one line in the field,
> to scripting functions such as htmlText
> or unicodeText or even "number of lines"
> treat that one line as if it were two. The
> result being that the problematic line
> gets cut into two at that particular kanji's
> position, and the kanji itself becoming
> transformed into another character.
>
> And yet, all the lines before and after that
> particular line work fine, though.
>
> My worry is not how to fix this, but rather
> not knowing if there are other particular
> kanji that might result in a similar effect.
>
> Incidentally, the final goal is to retrieve
> the Japanese text file over a network
> (rather than from a local pc). Are there
> unicode issues involved in this too? I'm
> hoping that using "write data to socket"
> won't affect the text file itself.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Nicolas Cueto
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 23 10:37:14 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:37:14 -0400
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <E441D0CD-2D85-43FC-B7F2-565A7C33B263@looktowindward.com>
References: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>
	<E441D0CD-2D85-43FC-B7F2-565A7C33B263@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080bc229962e2d84@[192.168.1.31]>

ARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!

MAKE IT STOP, PLEASE!



>
>>Dave continued:
>
>However stress testing is not an accomplishment 
>at all it's really easy, that's why I really 
>can't see why you are going on about it, I do it 
>without even thinking about it! In fact I was 
>absolutely gobsmacked that you were surprised 
>that this was my way of working.
>
>>and we look forward to URLs of the products you 
>>ship so we can all learn how to improve the 
>>quality of our own work.
>
>Now you're just being silly!  How will looking 
>at the products I have worked on help you learn 
>how to improve the quality of your own work? 
>Besides which unless you just happen to have 
>?50,000+ worth of video equipment lying around 
>it wouldn't do you much good!
>
>And Apart from all that - I've told you how to do it already!
>
>Take Care and All the Best
>Dave
>

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 23 11:00:21 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 08:00:21 -0700
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
Message-ID: <4603EB85.3050908@fourthworld.com>

Dave persisted:
> On 22 Mar 2007, at 18:29, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>> In the ten years I've been working with this engine this is the  
>> first verified leak I've seen.  Let's be generous and say that  
>> maybe one or two others might have been discovered in that time.   
>> Even then, over a decade that's really quite good -- and  
>> accomplished without automated stress testing.
> 
> There were three problems, the leak was just one of them.

The third "problem" (garbage collection appearing to only be done at 
idle) was based on a misunderstanding of results and turned out to have 
no supporting evidence in this case, as I noted earlier:
<http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-March/095651.html>

That leaves only two, both of which require multiple iterations to be 
evident.

>> The export command appears to work well when run once or even a  
>> dozen times.  Unit testing should always be done, and in this case  
>> would yield a good result.  Only a sustained test with a great many  
>> iterations will expose this specific problem, and only in the Rev  
>> IDE.  The leak doesn't exist in a standalone or in other IDEs, and  
>> since some issues may be specific to standalones it would be  
>> necessary to run any soak tests in at least those two environments.
> 
> Not really if you were to write files 1 to 300 you would hit it at  
> 288 and I had it happen earlier than that to start with. 

Agreed:  more than 288 iterations would be needed to see that problem.

> In fact the memory leak would be visible straight away, all you
> have to do is run once it and look at the memory allocations.

That memory fluctuates while a program is running is normal.  The 
cumulative effect in which some of that memory isn't released is only 
evident with multiple iterations.

>> Consider all the effort to design, build, and run these tests,  
>> release after release, year after year, and after a decade of that  
>> we might turn up a leak or two and maybe a relative handful of  
>> other errors of the sort which can be exposed through that specific  
>> form of testing.
> 
> Took me 10 minutes to build the test for the export snapshot command  
> and 2 minutes to run it. On the first part I was working on (last  
> week) it took me 30 minutes to build the tests and about the same to  
> run the tests. I then ran it at least once a day (after I'd added/ 
> changed things) to make sure I hadn't broken something.

Hindsight.  I'm sure you're aware that good soak tests commonly run far 
longer than 2 minutes, and in most cases for good reason.

That this one isolated case was discoverable in less is as much of an 
anomaly as the rarity of the bug itself.

>>> Another problem here is that people may have different ideas on  
>>> what  "Beta" means and I haven't seen it defined in terms of  
>>> RunRev. One  company I worked for defined it as meaning "Feature  
>>> Complete, No  Known Crashing Bugs".
>>
>> That's the ideal, but I've known no company that ships every Beta  
>> in a state that meets that definition.
> 
> Well, I've beta tested Photoshop and I AFAIK there were no known  
> crashing bugs and AFAIR it was feature complete.

You wrote "Known" crashing bugs. That would require a level of testing 
rarely if ever possible in commercial application development.  In fact 
other apps from Adobe (and other large companies as well) have been 
delivered to Beta with bugs which were discovered to cause crashes, and 
crashing issues sometimes even survive undetected into final builds.

>> I've participated in tests for Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, and  
>> others who have shipped Betas while still developing new features.
> 
> "Feature Complete" was just the way that company did it, I've also  
> seen that beta versions that still being developed. I was trying to  
> find out what "beta" meant in the wonderful world of RunRev.

It seems their definition is in keeping with industry norms.

>> That you're able to run stress tests on all features and identify  
>> 100% of requirements to complete satisfaction before your first  
>> Beta is quite an accomplishment,
> 
> Could you tell me where I said that?

The sum of your posts suggest an expectation for other developers of 
that level of effort.  It would seem reasonable that such expectations 
are at least met in your own shop.

> I run Stress Tests while developing my software

Great.  Another 10,000 function points and your work will begin to 
approach the complexity of Rev.

> However stress testing is not an accomplishment at all it's really  
> easy

...for small programs, or with selective testing possible only with 
hindsight.

> that's why I really can't see why you are going on about it

You might review your posts to see where this ongoing discussion of 
stress testing originated.  You're welcome to stop going on about it at 
any time.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar 23 11:10:40 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 09:10:40 -0600
Subject: group horizontal scrollbar movement
In-Reply-To: <4603C330.2040003@spl21.net>
References: <4603C330.2040003@spl21.net>
Message-ID: <B3E7B72E-F7A8-424F-BFA2-9713B237B970@byu.edu>

On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:08 AM, John Craig wrote:

> Anyone know if there is a reason why clicking on the arrows on a  
> horizontal scrollbar on a group moves the thumb AWAY from the arrow  
> you clicked on?  (Windows + Rev 2.8)

John,

Do you have the latest version of 2.8? I seem to recall reading about  
a scrollbar bug that sounds a lot like this that was fixed in a later  
version. I can't find it in the bug list just now, however.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From heather at runrev.com  Fri Mar 23 11:11:23 2007
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:11:23 +0000
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <p0624080bc229962e2d84@[192.168.1.31]>
References: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>
	<E441D0CD-2D85-43FC-B7F2-565A7C33B263@looktowindward.com>
	<p0624080bc229962e2d84@[192.168.1.31]>
Message-ID: <58F65CDC-F4FE-42BA-83C4-917C0C97AFD7@runrev.com>

:) ok....

Guys... you heard the man...

I think you've both made your point/s, as thoroughly as is reasonably  
possible. Its been an interesting discussion. Let this be the last  
data point, please. Shake hands and agree to differ amicably.

Warm Regards,

Heather

Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager and Listmom
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com

On 23 Mar 2007, at 14:37, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> ARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!
>
> MAKE IT STOP, PLEASE!
>
>
>
>>
>>> Dave continued:
>>
>> However stress testing is not an accomplishment at all it's really  
>> easy, that's why I really can't see why you are going on about it,  
>> I do it without even thinking about it! In fact I was absolutely  
>> gobsmacked that you were surprised that this was my way of working.
>>
>>> and we look forward to URLs of the products you ship so we can  
>>> all learn how to improve the quality of our own work.
>>
>> Now you're just being silly!  How will looking at the products I  
>> have worked on help you learn how to improve the quality of your  
>> own work? Besides which unless you just happen to have ?50,000+  
>> worth of video equipment lying around it wouldn't do you much good!
>>
>> And Apart from all that - I've told you how to do it already!
>>
>> Take Care and All the Best
>> Dave
>>
>
> --

Heather Nagey
Customer Services Manager
Runtime Revolution Ltd
http://www.runrev.com





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 23 11:38:53 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:38:53 -0500
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <E441D0CD-2D85-43FC-B7F2-565A7C33B263@looktowindward.com>
References: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>
	<E441D0CD-2D85-43FC-B7F2-565A7C33B263@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <4603F48D.5030407@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:

> Took me 10 minutes to build the test for the export snapshot command and 
> 2 minutes to run it.

And, as it turns out, we were all wrong. There is a leak, and they will 
fix it, but the reason there is a leak makes perfect sense.

The bug I posted about this problem only a day or two ago has already 
been verified and answered. This is a *strong* recommendation that those 
of you who don't want to submit reports should change your mind. Since I 
was the submitter, the respone came directly to my inbox. If Dave had 
submitted, he'd have received the response instead.

Here is what they said, and now that I think of it, I'm almost 
embarrassed that I didn't think of the reason myself:

> The memory leak that has been observed here occurs for all forms of 'export
> snapshot' and any image format - however, it *only* occurs if the alwaysBuffer
> of the templateImage is set to true.
> 
> To eliminate the leak:
>   set the alwaysBuffer of the templateImage to false
> Before using the export command.
> 
> The setting of this property is set differently in the Revolution and MC IDE's
> and in standalones (and on Mac OS X and Windows) - explaining the difficulty in
> reproducing it for some people.

While I admit the leak needs to be fixed, the reason for it become 
obvious; alwaysbuffer reserves memory space for the image in an 
offscreen buffer. The bug does not show up on some platforms, and the 
alwaysbuffer setting varies from one IDE to another. It would be 
difficult to stress-test this bug; it only seems to occur in one very 
specific circumstance, in only one IDE, and only on one OS.

Dave, your original script should work just fine if you change the 
alwaysbuffer of the templateimage to false.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 23 11:49:42 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:49:42 +0000
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <4603EB85.3050908@fourthworld.com>
References: <4603EB85.3050908@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <7CAE310A-2E18-42E8-80D0-835103946941@looktowindward.com>


On 23 Mar 2007, at 15:00, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Dave persisted:
>> On 22 Mar 2007, at 18:29, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>> In the ten years I've been working with this engine this is the   
>>> first verified leak I've seen.  Let's be generous and say that   
>>> maybe one or two others might have been discovered in that  
>>> time.   Even then, over a decade that's really quite good -- and   
>>> accomplished without automated stress testing.
>> There were three problems, the leak was just one of them.
>
> The third "problem" (garbage collection appearing to only be done  
> at idle) was based on a misunderstanding of results and turned out  
> to have no supporting evidence in this case, as I noted earlier:
> <http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-March/ 
> 095651.html>
>
> That leaves only two, both of which require multiple iterations to  
> be evident.
>
>>> The export command appears to work well when run once or even a   
>>> dozen times.  Unit testing should always be done, and in this  
>>> case  would yield a good result.  Only a sustained test with a  
>>> great many  iterations will expose this specific problem, and  
>>> only in the Rev  IDE.  The leak doesn't exist in a standalone or  
>>> in other IDEs, and  since some issues may be specific to  
>>> standalones it would be  necessary to run any soak tests in at  
>>> least those two environments.
>> Not really if you were to write files 1 to 300 you would hit it  
>> at  288 and I had it happen earlier than that to start with.
>
> Agreed:  more than 288 iterations would be needed to see that problem.

Not necessarily. For instance others have reported it happening at less.
>
>> In fact the memory leak would be visible straight away, all you
>> have to do is run once it and look at the memory allocations.
>
> That memory fluctuates while a program is running is normal.  The  
> cumulative effect in which some of that memory isn't released is  
> only evident with multiple iterations.

Not if the memory allocated is large as is the case of images and  
movies.

>
>>> Consider all the effort to design, build, and run these tests,   
>>> release after release, year after year, and after a decade of  
>>> that  we might turn up a leak or two and maybe a relative handful  
>>> of  other errors of the sort which can be exposed through that  
>>> specific  form of testing.
>> Took me 10 minutes to build the test for the export snapshot  
>> command  and 2 minutes to run it. On the first part I was working  
>> on (last  week) it took me 30 minutes to build the tests and about  
>> the same to  run the tests. I then ran it at least once a day  
>> (after I'd added/ changed things) to make sure I hadn't broken  
>> something.
>
> Hindsight.  I'm sure you're aware that good soak tests commonly run  
> far longer than 2 minutes, and in most cases for good reason.
>
> That this one isolated case was discoverable in less is as much of  
> an anomaly as the rarity of the bug itself.

I agree, but the




>
>>>> Another problem here is that people may have different ideas on   
>>>> what  "Beta" means and I haven't seen it defined in terms of   
>>>> RunRev. One  company I worked for defined it as meaning  
>>>> "Feature  Complete, No  Known Crashing Bugs".
>>>
>>> That's the ideal, but I've known no company that ships every  
>>> Beta  in a state that meets that definition.
>> Well, I've beta tested Photoshop and I AFAIK there were no known   
>> crashing bugs and AFAIR it was feature complete.
>
> You wrote "Known" crashing bugs. That would require a level of  
> testing rarely if ever possible in commercial application  
> development.  In fact other apps from Adobe (and other large  
> companies as well) have been delivered to Beta with bugs which were  
> discovered to cause crashes, and crashing issues sometimes even  
> survive undetected into final builds.

Ok, this is just a language problem. By "known", what I meant was  
that if a crashing bug was reported, it would be fixed before the  
next beta was released.

>
>>> I've participated in tests for Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, Oracle,  
>>> and  others who have shipped Betas while still developing new  
>>> features.
>> "Feature Complete" was just the way that company did it, I've  
>> also  seen that beta versions that still being developed. I was  
>> trying to  find out what "beta" meant in the wonderful world of  
>> RunRev.
>
> It seems their definition is in keeping with industry norms.

Where is that defined?
>
>>> That you're able to run stress tests on all features and  
>>> identify  100% of requirements to complete satisfaction before  
>>> your first  Beta is quite an accomplishment,
>> Could you tell me where I said that?
>
> The sum of your posts suggest an expectation for other developers  
> of that level of effort.  It would seem reasonable that such  
> expectations are at least met in your own shop.

I was referring to requirements and beta testing.

>> I run Stress Tests while developing my software
>
> Great.  Another 10,000 function points and your work will begin to  
> approach the complexity of Rev.

And if RunRev stress tested while developing they would have a much  
more solid product.

>
>> However stress testing is not an accomplishment at all it's  
>> really  easy
>
> ...for small programs, or with selective testing possible only with  
> hindsight.

All programs are made up of lots of small pieces. You stress test  
each piece.

>> that's why I really can't see why you are going on about it
>
> You might review your posts to see where this ongoing discussion of  
> stress testing originated.  You're welcome to stop going on about  
> it at any time.

By "going on about it" I was surprised that you didn't think that  
stress testing was worth the effort and that you were surprised that  
I did it as "normal" practice. I really do just take it for granted  
and had thought that almost everyone else would too. For instance,  
the biggest software company I have worked for (Apple) the practice  
of Stress Testing was taken for granted.

All the Best
Dave











From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 23 11:53:05 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:53:05 -0500
Subject: error in function handler revPaletteObjects
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703230614n35f960d1g3b077a596e69710a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>	<CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>	<f73a98160703212009t582c2ac4lb796f4fba56ba9d1@mail.gmail.com>	<98288B4B-F6E1-4B98-BB3F-9FEA013F3D53@dimensionB.de>
	<f73a98160703230614n35f960d1g3b077a596e69710a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4603F7E1.6060904@hyperactivesw.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:
> 
> It still begs the question as to what are the likely ramifications of 
> having
> cCurrentObject store the 'old' file path rather than the current file path?

I haven't traced the whole IDE for this, but I think cCurrentObject 
simply stores the object that was last selected. This allows the IDE to 
set up the property inpsector correctly when you open it, for example. 
It won't have any bearing on your own stack, it isn't used anywhere 
except in the IDE. If you select a different object, the property will 
update itself according to rules I have no idea about. In other words, 
you could delete this custom property entirely and it would make no 
difference; if the IDE needs it again, it will simply re-create it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 23 11:56:42 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:56:42 +0000
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <4603F48D.5030407@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>
	<E441D0CD-2D85-43FC-B7F2-565A7C33B263@looktowindward.com>
	<4603F48D.5030407@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <46489F21-CF0C-4D72-B1BF-13EAE0AB4E33@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Here is the original script:

on doExport
   local tNum
   local twID
   local tFol
   local tDest
   local myImageData

   put text of fld "number" into tNum
   put the windowID of this stack into twID
   put text of fld "export folder" into tFol
   if there is not a folder tFol then
     answer "Export folder not found!"
     exit to top
   end if
   set the defaultfolder to tFol

   repeat with x = 1 to (0 + tNum)
     put "F-" & x & ".png" into tDest

     put x into field "FieldCounter" of group "GroupCounter"

     set the alwaysBuffer of the templateImage to false
	
     --export snapshot from group "GroupCounter" to file tDest as PNG

     export snapshot from group "GroupCounter" to myImageData as PNG
   end repeat

   answer "Done!"
end doExport

I still get the error at file 289, is this what you thought would  
happen?

Thanks a lot for this
All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2007, at 15:38, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
>> Took me 10 minutes to build the test for the export snapshot  
>> command and 2 minutes to run it.
>
> And, as it turns out, we were all wrong. There is a leak, and they  
> will fix it, but the reason there is a leak makes perfect sense.
>
> The bug I posted about this problem only a day or two ago has  
> already been verified and answered. This is a *strong*  
> recommendation that those of you who don't want to submit reports  
> should change your mind. Since I was the submitter, the respone  
> came directly to my inbox. If Dave had submitted, he'd have  
> received the response instead.

It's not that I don't want to, it's that I can't log on from here and  
when I get home at the weekends I am so tired and busy catching up  
with "home" stuff that it's hard to find the time.
>
> Here is what they said, and now that I think of it, I'm almost  
> embarrassed that I didn't think of the reason myself:
>
>> The memory leak that has been observed here occurs for all forms  
>> of 'export
>> snapshot' and any image format - however, it *only* occurs if the  
>> alwaysBuffer
>> of the templateImage is set to true.
>> To eliminate the leak:
>>   set the alwaysBuffer of the templateImage to false
>> Before using the export command.
>> The setting of this property is set differently in the Revolution  
>> and MC IDE's
>> and in standalones (and on Mac OS X and Windows) - explaining the  
>> difficulty in
>> reproducing it for some people.
>
> While I admit the leak needs to be fixed, the reason for it become  
> obvious; alwaysbuffer reserves memory space for the image in an  
> offscreen buffer. The bug does not show up on some platforms, and  
> the alwaysbuffer setting varies from one IDE to another. It would  
> be difficult to stress-test this bug; it only seems to occur in one  
> very specific circumstance, in only one IDE, and only on one OS.
>
> Dave, your original script should work just fine if you change the  
> alwaysbuffer of the templateimage to false.





From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 23 12:06:03 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:06:03 +0000
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <58F65CDC-F4FE-42BA-83C4-917C0C97AFD7@runrev.com>
References: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>
	<E441D0CD-2D85-43FC-B7F2-565A7C33B263@looktowindward.com>
	<p0624080bc229962e2d84@[192.168.1.31]>
	<58F65CDC-F4FE-42BA-83C4-917C0C97AFD7@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F40572ED-0E06-4AD5-A3EA-3D8E09597DF3@looktowindward.com>

We're only having a bit of fun! None of it is meant with any real  
venom well not on my part anyway and I'd be shocked if Richard felt  
differently!

Take Care and Have a Great Weekend!

All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2007, at 15:11, Heather Nagey wrote:

> :) ok....
>
> Guys... you heard the man...
>
> I think you've both made your point/s, as thoroughly as is  
> reasonably possible. Its been an interesting discussion. Let this  
> be the last data point, please. Shake hands and agree to differ  
> amicably.
>
> Warm Regards,
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Nagey
> Customer Services Manager and Listmom
> Runtime Revolution Ltd
> http://www.runrev.com
>
> On 23 Mar 2007, at 14:37, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>> ARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!
>>
>> MAKE IT STOP, PLEASE!
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> Dave continued:
>>>
>>> However stress testing is not an accomplishment at all it's  
>>> really easy, that's why I really can't see why you are going on  
>>> about it, I do it without even thinking about it! In fact I was  
>>> absolutely gobsmacked that you were surprised that this was my  
>>> way of working.
>>>
>>>> and we look forward to URLs of the products you ship so we can  
>>>> all learn how to improve the quality of our own work.
>>>
>>> Now you're just being silly!  How will looking at the products I  
>>> have worked on help you learn how to improve the quality of your  
>>> own work? Besides which unless you just happen to have ?50,000+  
>>> worth of video equipment lying around it wouldn't do you much good!
>>>
>>> And Apart from all that - I've told you how to do it already!
>>>
>>> Take Care and All the Best
>>> Dave
>>>
>>
>> --
>
> Heather Nagey
> Customer Services Manager
> Runtime Revolution Ltd
> http://www.runrev.com
>
>
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 23 12:21:00 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:21:00 -0400
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <F40572ED-0E06-4AD5-A3EA-3D8E09597DF3@looktowindward.com>
References: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>
	<E441D0CD-2D85-43FC-B7F2-565A7C33B263@looktowindward.com>
	<p0624080bc229962e2d84@[192.168.1.31]>
	<58F65CDC-F4FE-42BA-83C4-917C0C97AFD7@runrev.com>
	<F40572ED-0E06-4AD5-A3EA-3D8E09597DF3@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080ec229ae763747@[192.168.1.31]>

>We're only having a bit of fun!

fun for you, obviously. Annoying for most of us.

>  None of it is meant with any real venom well not on my part anyway 
>and I'd be shocked if Richard felt differently!
>
>Take Care and Have a Great Weekend!
>
>All the Best
>Dave

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Fri Mar 23 12:32:25 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:32:25 +0000
Subject: must externals be written only in  C/C++ ?
Message-ID: <01EC34DC-E0A9-4828-A70A-3DEEBE27AF1C@knowledgeworks.plus.com>

Thanks to Shao Sean and Dave for those pointers.  I had hoped that  
that was the answer.

I'm looking at how I would extend both Python and Rev apps with  
externals.  In both cases C is the assumed default, but I had thought  
it should be possible in principle to use FreePascal instead.

Bernard


From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 23 12:35:26 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:35:26 +0000
Subject: group horizontal scrollbar movement
In-Reply-To: <4603C330.2040003@spl21.net>
References: <4603C330.2040003@spl21.net>
Message-ID: <A5EF8919-AA15-461E-82C2-70BFBF9CA76E@looktowindward.com>

This is fixed in the latest version according to the update list.

All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2007, at 12:08, John Craig wrote:

> Anyone know if there is a reason why clicking on the arrows on a  
> horizontal scrollbar on a group moves the thumb AWAY from the arrow  
> you clicked on?  (Windows + Rev 2.8)
>
> JC
>
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 23 12:36:03 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:36:03 +0000
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <p0624080ec229ae763747@[192.168.1.31]>
References: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>
	<E441D0CD-2D85-43FC-B7F2-565A7C33B263@looktowindward.com>
	<p0624080bc229962e2d84@[192.168.1.31]>
	<58F65CDC-F4FE-42BA-83C4-917C0C97AFD7@runrev.com>
	<F40572ED-0E06-4AD5-A3EA-3D8E09597DF3@looktowindward.com>
	<p0624080ec229ae763747@[192.168.1.31]>
Message-ID: <FA50BC08-5DE4-45EE-AE14-4D19B544267F@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I really don't understand why you get so upset, if you don't like the  
subject just don't read it. There are loads of topics on this list I  
don't read them all. Most of them in fact stay unread.

All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2007, at 16:21, Stephen Barncard wrote:

>> We're only having a bit of fun!
>
> fun for you, obviously. Annoying for most of us.
>
>>  None of it is meant with any real venom well not on my part  
>> anyway and I'd be shocked if Richard felt differently!
>>
>> Take Care and Have a Great Weekend!
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar 23 12:54:55 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:54:55 -0600
Subject: group horizontal scrollbar movement
In-Reply-To: <B3E7B72E-F7A8-424F-BFA2-9713B237B970@byu.edu>
References: <4603C330.2040003@spl21.net>
	<B3E7B72E-F7A8-424F-BFA2-9713B237B970@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <F9BE8BAB-3A22-4245-825A-984CA6A9B82B@byu.edu>


On Mar 23, 2007, at 9:10 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:08 AM, John Craig wrote:
>
>> Anyone know if there is a reason why clicking on the arrows on a  
>> horizontal scrollbar on a group moves the thumb AWAY from the  
>> arrow you clicked on?  (Windows + Rev 2.8)
>
> John,
>
> Do you have the latest version of 2.8? I seem to recall reading  
> about a scrollbar bug that sounds a lot like this that was fixed in  
> a later version. I can't find it in the bug list just now, however.

Found it. In Engine Change Log for 2.8.0-gm-3:

<quote>
Bug: In 2.8.0-gm-2, horizontal scrollbars move the wrong way on Windows
~~~~
   Fixed.
</quote>

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 13:03:44 2007
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:03:44 -0600
Subject: "unknown publisher" under Windows Vista
Message-ID: <4A204E90-863E-4DF3-8E1B-784350BE63A4@gmail.com>

After building my standalone, which is sort of a launcher app for my  
main installer, and running it under Windows Vista, I get the  
security warning that tells me the publisher for the exe is unknown.  
Anyone know how I can make it "known"? As far as I can tell, I've  
filled in all the pertinent information in the standalone builder,  
but nothing seems to take care of the problem. I noticed that Rev's  
latest installer does not produce this warning, as the publisher  
appears to be "known". I've looked at the properties for my exe and  
for the Rev installer and, as far as I can tell, they've both got the  
same information. Theirs produces the normal "A program needs your  
permissions to continue" dialog, while mean produces a "An  
unidentified program wants access to your computer" dialog.

Anyone run into this? I get this warning with other applications I  
use, mostly those that are older and haven't yet been updated for Vista.

Thanks,
Chris


------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar 23 13:17:46 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:17:46 -0600
Subject: "unknown publisher" under Windows Vista
In-Reply-To: <4A204E90-863E-4DF3-8E1B-784350BE63A4@gmail.com>
References: <4A204E90-863E-4DF3-8E1B-784350BE63A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7B5DEBAD-889A-4B60-8F93-146B3D1A63B3@byu.edu>


On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> After building my standalone, which is sort of a launcher app for  
> my main installer, and running it under Windows Vista, I get the  
> security warning that tells me the publisher for the exe is  
> unknown. Anyone know how I can make it "known"? As far as I can  
> tell, I've filled in all the pertinent information in the  
> standalone builder, but nothing seems to take care of the problem.  
> I noticed that Rev's latest installer does not produce this  
> warning, as the publisher appears to be "known". I've looked at the  
> properties for my exe and for the Rev installer and, as far as I  
> can tell, they've both got the same information. Theirs produces  
> the normal "A program needs your permissions to continue" dialog,  
> while mean produces a "An unidentified program wants access to your  
> computer" dialog.
>
> Anyone run into this? I get this warning with other applications I  
> use, mostly those that are older and haven't yet been updated for  
> Vista.

"You are pointing out Vista's flaws. Cancel or Allow?"

Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)

DNA


From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Fri Mar 23 13:23:51 2007
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:23:51 +0100
Subject: Revolution File Suffix
Message-ID: <ed2a1a456408417e05ee719bbed4e026@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

> Yes, you should be able to right-click a .rev file and choose "Open
> with..." and select Revolution. Then in the dialog there should be a
> checkbox that says something like "Always use the selected program to
> open this kind of file". Make sure this is checked and click OK.
>
> That should do it.
>
Well, I tried that - and when I browse to the StackRunner program,
it just DOESN'T allow me to use it.

I knew that SOMEWHERE on the PC there was a list of file extensions,
with control on the program that is used to open files of each 
extension.
I just didn't know how to find it (20 years on a Mac gives little 
experience
of PC's !).

I finally found the list :

                     Control Panel -> Folder Options -> File Types

........ went to the .REV entry and used the "Advanced" option to define
the program to open .rev files. NOW, I am a happy bunny !

Thanks Bill and Ken for their suggestions. I uninstalled WINRAR, and
downloaded 7zip, which I will test out when I get some free time.

-Francis




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 23 13:30:37 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:30:37 -0500
Subject: having to help Rev
In-Reply-To: <46489F21-CF0C-4D72-B1BF-13EAE0AB4E33@looktowindward.com>
References: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>	<E441D0CD-2D85-43FC-B7F2-565A7C33B263@looktowindward.com>	<4603F48D.5030407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<46489F21-CF0C-4D72-B1BF-13EAE0AB4E33@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <46040EBD.5020107@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:

> I still get the error at file 289, is this what you thought would happen?

I forgot to ask about that. That looks like a separate issue. Is your 
memory leak gone though?

I'll add to the bug report and mention the numbering issue. If I 
remember right, the numbering error only happens with PNGs.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bill at bluewatermaritime.com  Fri Mar 23 13:42:33 2007
From: bill at bluewatermaritime.com (Bill)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:42:33 -0400
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <FA50BC08-5DE4-45EE-AE14-4D19B544267F@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <C22989C9.3070C%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>

Hi

I found out from a complaint about one of my posts that some of the readers
of this list get it in digest form instead of individual emails and it is
difficult for them to ignore posts by headings (they have to scroll through
them). So that might be why they're complaining. After I got the complaint
about my post if made me very reluctant to post again as there were about
three post immediately after agreeing with how annoying my posts were.

Bill


On 3/23/07 12:36 PM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:

> I really don't understand why you get so upset, if you don't like the
> subject just don't read it. There are loads of topics on this list I
> don't read them all. Most of them in fact stay unread.




From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 13:43:49 2007
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:43:49 -0600
Subject: "unknown publisher" under Windows Vista
In-Reply-To: <7B5DEBAD-889A-4B60-8F93-146B3D1A63B3@byu.edu>
References: <4A204E90-863E-4DF3-8E1B-784350BE63A4@gmail.com>
	<7B5DEBAD-889A-4B60-8F93-146B3D1A63B3@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <A5FD9A72-E051-4AB6-9E77-01633A44B776@gmail.com>

I know. It drives me nuts! Unfortunately my company has to support  
it, or I probably wouldn't even bother.

On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:17 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

>
> On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote:
>
>> After building my standalone, which is sort of a launcher app for  
>> my main installer, and running it under Windows Vista, I get the  
>> security warning that tells me the publisher for the exe is  
>> unknown. Anyone know how I can make it "known"? As far as I can  
>> tell, I've filled in all the pertinent information in the  
>> standalone builder, but nothing seems to take care of the problem.  
>> I noticed that Rev's latest installer does not produce this  
>> warning, as the publisher appears to be "known". I've looked at  
>> the properties for my exe and for the Rev installer and, as far as  
>> I can tell, they've both got the same information. Theirs produces  
>> the normal "A program needs your permissions to continue" dialog,  
>> while mean produces a "An unidentified program wants access to  
>> your computer" dialog.
>>
>> Anyone run into this? I get this warning with other applications I  
>> use, mostly those that are older and haven't yet been updated for  
>> Vista.
>
> "You are pointing out Vista's flaws. Cancel or Allow?"
>
> Sorry, couldn't resist. :-)
>
> DNA
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Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
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From wjm at wjm.org  Fri Mar 23 13:46:16 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:46:16 -0400
Subject: "unknown publisher" under Windows Vista
References: <4A204E90-863E-4DF3-8E1B-784350BE63A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eu13p8$h71$1@sea.gmane.org>

Chris,

> After building my standalone, which is sort of a launcher app for my  main 
> installer, and running it under Windows Vista, I get the  security warning 
> that tells me the publisher for the exe is unknown.

Unfortunately, applications you author with Rev cannot simply "inherit" the 
signature. Rev's installer is "known" because it is digitally "signed" by 
Revolution in accordance with Microsoft's guidelines. Your standalone is a 
brand-new program as far as Vista is concerned. And rightly so, because 
anyone could use a programming tool like Rev to write a program that wreaks 
havoc.

In order to sign your code, you need to have a digital certificate from 
Verisign, and then you need to go through the code signing process as 
outlined here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/security/authcode/signing.asp





From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 13:52:37 2007
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:52:37 -0600
Subject: "unknown publisher" under Windows Vista
In-Reply-To: <eu13p8$h71$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <4A204E90-863E-4DF3-8E1B-784350BE63A4@gmail.com>
	<eu13p8$h71$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <57CC110E-FDA6-4468-8D5F-3106574B1609@gmail.com>

Ah, good info Bill. Thanks.

On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Bill Marriott wrote:

> Chris,
>
>> After building my standalone, which is sort of a launcher app for  
>> my  main
>> installer, and running it under Windows Vista, I get the  security  
>> warning
>> that tells me the publisher for the exe is unknown.
>
> Unfortunately, applications you author with Rev cannot simply  
> "inherit" the
> signature. Rev's installer is "known" because it is digitally  
> "signed" by
> Revolution in accordance with Microsoft's guidelines. Your  
> standalone is a
> brand-new program as far as Vista is concerned. And rightly so,  
> because
> anyone could use a programming tool like Rev to write a program  
> that wreaks
> havoc.
>
> In order to sign your code, you need to have a digital certificate  
> from
> Verisign, and then you need to go through the code signing process as
> outlined here:
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/security/authcode/signing.asp
>
>
>
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> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
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Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 23 13:59:02 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:59:02 +0000
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <C22989C9.3070C%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
References: <C22989C9.3070C%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
Message-ID: <7621100D-EE79-405E-B5FB-93A0ACEAED2A@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Sounds like a good excuse to write a "filter" application - in RunRev  
of course!

I don't think that Stephen receives the list via digest though.

All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2007, at 17:42, Bill wrote:

> Hi
>
> I found out from a complaint about one of my posts that some of the  
> readers
> of this list get it in digest form instead of individual emails and  
> it is
> difficult for them to ignore posts by headings (they have to scroll  
> through
> them). So that might be why they're complaining. After I got the  
> complaint
> about my post if made me very reluctant to post again as there were  
> about
> three post immediately after agreeing with how annoying my posts were.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On 3/23/07 12:36 PM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>
>> I really don't understand why you get so upset, if you don't like the
>> subject just don't read it. There are loads of topics on this list I
>> don't read them all. Most of them in fact stay unread.



From dave at looktowindward.com  Fri Mar 23 14:03:08 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:03:08 +0000
Subject: having to help Rev
In-Reply-To: <46040EBD.5020107@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>	<E441D0CD-2D85-43FC-B7F2-565A7C33B263@looktowindward.com>	<4603F48D.5030407@hyperactivesw.com>
	<46489F21-CF0C-4D72-B1BF-13EAE0AB4E33@looktowindward.com>
	<46040EBD.5020107@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <FD0A8011-40EB-4B1E-8F57-EC67BD953B4F@looktowindward.com>

Hi Jacque,

Ok, I was confused about the two problems again for a second and  
misunderstood what was being said. So just to make is clear:

1.  If you set the alwaysBuffer flag of the templateImage to false  
the memory leak goes away in the IDE. It also slows down a bit, is  
this to be expected?

2. the alwaysBuffer has no effect on the "magic" number of files  
written. It still goes wrong in file 289.

Thanks a lot for the Help
All the Best
Dave

On 23 Mar 2007, at 17:30, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Dave wrote:
>
>> I still get the error at file 289, is this what you thought would  
>> happen?
>
> I forgot to ask about that. That looks like a separate issue. Is  
> your memory leak gone though?
>
> I'll add to the bug report and mention the numbering issue. If I  
> remember right, the numbering error only happens with PNGs.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 23 14:25:19 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:25:19 -0500
Subject: having to help Rev
In-Reply-To: <FD0A8011-40EB-4B1E-8F57-EC67BD953B4F@looktowindward.com>
References: <4602CAFE.7020200@fourthworld.com>	<E441D0CD-2D85-43FC-B7F2-565A7C33B263@looktowindward.com>	<4603F48D.5030407@hyperactivesw.com>	<46489F21-CF0C-4D72-B1BF-13EAE0AB4E33@looktowindward.com>	<46040EBD.5020107@hyperactivesw.com>
	<FD0A8011-40EB-4B1E-8F57-EC67BD953B4F@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <46041B8F.3020409@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave wrote:

> 1.  If you set the alwaysBuffer flag of the templateImage to false the 
> memory leak goes away in the IDE. It also slows down a bit, is this to 
> be expected?

No. But I noticed that you are setting the property inside the repeat 
loop, which might add some time. It only has to be set once, so you 
could do it outside the loop.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From rp011s7075 at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Mar 23 14:41:49 2007
From: rp011s7075 at blueyonder.co.uk (Marielle Lange)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 18:41:49 +0000
Subject: kicked out
Message-ID: <14396498-2C8A-44B1-A427-2367A1599C37@blueyonder.co.uk>

I have been unsubscribed from the use-revolution list, the improve- 
list, and the education list (well, given the present context, I  
should add "to the best of my knowledge"). I have now received the  
email below. No further comments. Obviously, you won't see me around  
anymore.

Marielle

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Michael McLaughlin" <mmclaughlin at biggartbaillie.co.uk>
> Date: 23 March 2007 17:54:52 GMT
> To: <mlange at widged.com>
> Subject: Runtime Revolution
>
> Dear Ms Lange,
>
> We have been instructed by Runtime Revolution.   We understand that  
> you have threatened to send to Runtime's clients an email making  
> derogatory and untrue remarks about the company.   If you carry out  
> this threat we have standing instuctions to instigate interdict and  
> damages proceedings against you.  You should desist from making any  
> contact with Runtime's clients immediately.
>
> Without Prejudice
>
> Yours faithfully
>
> Biggart Baillie
>


------------------------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

Widged                                                                   
http://widged.com/
Easy access to lexical databases                    http:// 
lexicall.widged.com/
Supporting Education Technologists              http:// 
revolution.widged.com/wiki/





------------------------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist

Widged                                                                   
http://widged.com/
Easy access to lexical databases                    http:// 
lexicall.widged.com/
Supporting Education Technologists              http:// 
revolution.widged.com/wiki/






From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar 23 14:49:50 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:49:50 -0300
Subject: Family punchups
Message-ID: <4604214E.2090507@howsoft.com>

All the best families have their occasional punchups, and in fact 
without them, they wouldn't be the best families. They just have to stop 
well short of murder, that's all, and that's obvious. I haven't seen 
anything on the UR-List that approaches murder for a long time now. 
There is such a thing as free speech, you know.... Just because somebody 
complains, that shouldn't be an excuse for the police to move in. In 
real life, that often happens because they are itching to do it anyway, 
or because they are afraid and too "up tight".

That said, all conflicts that escalate schismogenetically into a war 
usually happen because the 2 sides are symetrically similar to one 
another, and there are no 3rd parties present to create "impurities" and 
more complementary relationships. That is not the case of the UR-List, 
especially nowadays. Obviously, ListMom is a little afraid that things 
will get out of hand, as they have sometimes done in the past. So the 
logic that "nipping it in the bud" seems to apply and be a practical 
solution. But I don't think it is. This is an ongoing situation of 
learning, and personally, I have seen that the UR-List is perfectly 
capable of regulating itself - and very well - most of the time.

I DO hope this is not considered to be a taboo subject or a challenge to 
authority in any way, because it is not meant to be. I think we should 
all remember that "being provocative" is one of the most essential 
elements in creativity. For example, I was very grateful that Richard 
accidentally "pressed my button" a little bit the other day, and I think 
it led to results which from my point of view (and possibly from his 
too) were highly positive.

I now suggest that those of you who are much better at humour than I am  
step in and do your job!  Let's lighten it up folks!  Live and LET LIVE 
(and don't forget the 2nd part of the saying)!

Bob



From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Mar 23 14:51:40 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:51:40 -0300
Subject: OT: I am now a CS Student...
Message-ID: <9D8889FD-B40A-4754-AF4A-9D11BED4556E@mac.com>

Hi Folks,

I've been silent but is just because I am busy, I am pleased to  
announce that since last week I am now a Computer Science student. I  
am about to graduate on the film school as a BA, looking to the  
future, I see that having a degree onm CS will be important for me,  
so I am now a student on a cheap medium university here, planning to  
transfer next year to a better one. I am learning what a byte is and  
how to code in C using TurboC from 1990... my classmates are happy,  
ignorance is bliss...

PS: the university is a Microsoft partner and a Cisco System partner,  
meaning that the desktops work half of the time and the network works  
half of the time, on rare astrological conditions, they even work  
together...

cheers
Andre


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 23 15:06:38 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:06:38 -0700
Subject: Family punchups
Message-ID: <4604253E.4020604@fourthworld.com>

Bob Warren wrote:

 > I was very grateful that Richard accidentally "pressed my button"
 > a little bit the other day, and I think it led to results which
 > from my point of view (and possibly from his too) were highly
 > positive.

My apologies if I'd "pushed a button", but as far as any Linux 
discussion goes I'd say you had a quite positive effect here:

Seeing that Ubuntu is at last doing what I'd hoped a distro could do, 
focusing on the consumer experience to achieve a market dominance that 
helps simplify the decision for potential new users to get on board, I 
decided to take the next step.

Usability is central to desktop adoption of Linux, and as a developer 
who prefers high-level tools to bit-counting, it's one of the few areas 
where I make make a contribution.

Since Ubuntu is becoming the clear desktop leader in the Linux world, 
and since the default window manager for their main product is Gnome, 
I've subscribed to the Gnome Usability list:
<http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability>

I've just been lurking for now like a good newbie, getting a feel for 
what's on the agenda and who the players are.  But I suspect over time I 
may be able to contribute a few things, possibly writing portions of a 
future Gnome HIG.

So yes indeed, some very positive results came from that exchange.  I 
very much appreciate your passion for Linux -- it's contagious!. :)

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de  Fri Mar 23 15:18:49 2007
From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:18:49 +0000
Subject: kicked out
Message-ID: <00027AC9.46043627@192.168.168.3>

Dont know whats that all about,

but does Runrev need to react in such an extrem way?

I for myself dont want to forgo Marielles postings.


Regards,

Matthias Rebbe



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: kicked out (23-Mrz-2007 19:42)
From:    Marielle Lange <rp011s7075 at blueyonder.co.uk>
To:      runrev260805 at m-r-d.de

> I have been unsubscribed from the use-revolution list, the improve- 
> list, and the education list (well, given the present context, I  
> should add "to the best of my knowledge"). I have now received the  
> email below. No further comments. Obviously, you won't see me around  
> anymore.
> 
> Marielle
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> > From: "Michael McLaughlin" <mmclaughlin at biggartbaillie.co.uk>
> > Date: 23 March 2007 17:54:52 GMT
> > To: <mlange at widged.com>
> > Subject: Runtime Revolution
> >
> > Dear Ms Lange,
> >
> > We have been instructed by Runtime Revolution.   We understand that  
> > you have threatened to send to Runtime's clients an email making  
> > derogatory and untrue remarks about the company.   If you carry out  
> > this threat we have standing instuctions to instigate interdict and  
> > damages proceedings against you.  You should desist from making any  
> > contact with Runtime's clients immediately.
> >
> > Without Prejudice
> >
> > Yours faithfully
> >
> > Biggart Baillie
> >
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist
> 
> Widged                                                                   
> http://widged.com/
> Easy access to lexical databases                    http:// 
> lexicall.widged.com/
> Supporting Education Technologists              http:// 
> revolution.widged.com/wiki/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Marielle Lange (PhD),  Psycholinguist
> 
> Widged                                                                   
> http://widged.com/
> Easy access to lexical databases                    http:// 
> lexicall.widged.com/
> Supporting Education Technologists              http:// 
> revolution.widged.com/wiki/
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 23 15:47:48 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:47:48 -0700
Subject: kicked out
Message-ID: <46042EE4.6080803@fourthworld.com>

runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote:
> Dont know whats that all about, 
> but does Runrev need to react in such an extrem way?
> I for myself dont want to forgo Marielles postings.

The nature of her posts vary.  If they didn't include the types of 
things which appear to have given rise to this circumstance, there would 
be more of the good ones.

I don't know the backstory nor do I need to.  That's between her and RunRev.

 From the personal correspondence Marielle chose to post publicly, it 
seems that all they asked her to do was stop.  If their claims are true 
it seems very generous of them.  And if they're not, it should be easy 
to comply with a request to not do something that wasn't done anyway.
Doesn't seem all that onerous to me.

Can we please not let this personal matter between these two parties not 
become an issue for us here?

Please address comments about this issue to the parties involved.

Let's try to keep this list about using Rev.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Mar 23 15:58:58 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:58:58 +0000
Subject: Family punchups
In-Reply-To: <4604253E.4020604@fourthworld.com>
References: <4604253E.4020604@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <200703231958.58655.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

I do understand Richard's point of view about Linux, though without sharing 
it, but if you all are not Linux users, but increasingly perhaps write for 
them, you should be aware that there is a very distinctly different point of 
view among a large section of them.

This point of view feels that if there is one thing they don't care for about 
Ubuntu, it is the apparent desire to "focus.. on the consumer experience to 
achieve a market dominance".  What we really like about Linux (as distinct 
from Ubuntu) is that you are not handed an expertly packaged user experience, 
and we are increasingly bothered by the perception of Ubuntu as the answer, 
when it is in fact only one of half a dozen equally valid answers.

This tendency has a positive abhorrence for Human Interface Guidlines, which 
it sees as misplaced authoritarianism, and that's one of the things that 
makes us very uneasy about Gnome, and makes us absolutely detest MacOS and 
Windows.  We can't understand why people really want to have all their 
applications look and feel the same.  We happily mix KDE and Gnome apps and 
don't even notice their different skins.  We often do not even use either 
Gnome or KDE, but something much more minimal like Fluxbox.  We don't think 
one size fits all in user interfaces.  We would say with Blake:

"One law for the lion and the ox is oppression".

Now, before you dismiss this as just behind the times silliness, consider 
this.  This is why Linux exists at all today in its present form.  This is 
also broadly the difference between Gnome, with its roots in Apple type HIGs, 
and KDE, with its roots in 'let them do whatever they want with it'.    

If you want to see this in action, fire up Debian or whatever in native mode, 
(not for goodness sake on a MacIntel under Parallels) and try Enlightenment, 
Fluxbox, FVWM.  Try Crux.  Try Slackware.  Consider that there are people who 
genuinely prefer these and find them easier to work with.  These people are 
your customers too.

So don't, whatever you do, think that all you have to do to support Linux or 
get it, is run Ubuntu.  Especially not virtually.  You will be missing the 
heart of the matter.

Peter


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 23 16:03:12 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:03:12 -0500
Subject: Family punchups
In-Reply-To: <4604253E.4020604@fourthworld.com>
References: <4604253E.4020604@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <46043280.1080709@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin wrote:

> So yes indeed, some very positive results came from that exchange.  I 
> very much appreciate your passion for Linux -- it's contagious!. :)
> 

Bob badgered me into installing Ubuntu. He made some persuasive points 
about tech support needing to run the OS (others on the team already do 
use Linux, but I'm first tier and should have been.) I'd been meaning to 
take the step for ages but didn't do it until he got pushy about it. Now 
I'm glad. Thanks Bob. :)

Oh, and also, after we corresponded for a while, we got to be friends. 
Funny how these things work out.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From simplsol at aol.com  Fri Mar 23 16:17:18 2007
From: simplsol at aol.com (simplsol at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:17:18 -0400
Subject: OT: I am now a CS Student...
In-Reply-To: <9D8889FD-B40A-4754-AF4A-9D11BED4556E@mac.com>
References: <9D8889FD-B40A-4754-AF4A-9D11BED4556E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8C93B9F63B489D9-1DC0-670C@FWM-D21.sysops.aol.com>

Andre,
Best wishes, I'm sure you will do well!
Paul Looney

-----Original Message-----
From: soapdog at mac.com
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Sent: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:51 AM
Subject: OT: I am now a CS Student...

   Hi Folks,?
?
  I've been silent but is just because I am busy, I am pleased to 
announce that since last week I am now a Computer Science student. I am 
about to graduate on the film school as a BA, looking to the future, I 
see that having a degree onm CS will be important for me, so I am now a 
student on a cheap medium university here, planning to transfer next 
year to a better one. I am learning what a byte is and how to code in C 
using TurboC from 1990... my classmates are happy, ignorance is 
bliss...?
?
  PS: the university is a Microsoft partner and a Cisco System partner, 
meaning that the desktops work half of the time and the network works 
half of the time, on rare astrological conditions, they even work 
together...?
?
 cheers?
 Andre?
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 23 16:18:03 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:18:03 -0500
Subject: Family punchups
In-Reply-To: <200703231958.58655.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <4604253E.4020604@fourthworld.com>
	<200703231958.58655.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <460435FB.70504@hyperactivesw.com>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> What we really like about Linux (as distinct 
> from Ubuntu) is that you are not handed an expertly packaged user experience, 
> and we are increasingly bothered by the perception of Ubuntu as the answer, 
> when it is in fact only one of half a dozen equally valid answers.

I can understand this. But it does pose a problem for those who want to 
release apps for Linux. What, in general, should the Rev developer aim 
for? For example, I just ran one of my stacks in Ubuntu and the fonts 
I'd assigned were all wrong. If every Linux user is running a different 
distro, are there any ways to make our stacks look at least somewhat 
decent on anyone's machine? Any suggestions about this?

> So don't, whatever you do, think that all you have to do to support Linux or 
> get it, is run Ubuntu.  Especially not virtually.  You will be missing the 
> heart of the matter.

Except for the crashing, where Parallels goes down in flames, the distro 
seems to run idenically as it would on a non-virtualized box. I'm not 
sure what would be different (but maybe you know.)

I get your point about not equating Ubuntu with Linux though. That does 
make sense.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Fri Mar 23 16:34:38 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:34:38 -0700
Subject: OT: I am now a CS Student...
In-Reply-To: <9D8889FD-B40A-4754-AF4A-9D11BED4556E@mac.com>
References: <9D8889FD-B40A-4754-AF4A-9D11BED4556E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <460439DE.4030208@pdslabs.net>

Congratulations Andre! I think...
Phil Davis


Andre Garzia wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I've been silent but is just because I am busy, I am pleased to announce 
> that since last week I am now a Computer Science student. I am about to 
> graduate on the film school as a BA, looking to the future, I see that 
> having a degree onm CS will be important for me, so I am now a student 
> on a cheap medium university here, planning to transfer next year to a 
> better one. I am learning what a byte is and how to code in C using 
> TurboC from 1990... my classmates are happy, ignorance is bliss...
> 
> PS: the university is a Microsoft partner and a Cisco System partner, 
> meaning that the desktops work half of the time and the network works 
> half of the time, on rare astrological conditions, they even work 
> together...
> 
> cheers
> Andre


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar 23 17:30:03 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:30:03 -0500
Subject: OT: I am now a CS Student...
In-Reply-To: <9D8889FD-B40A-4754-AF4A-9D11BED4556E@mac.com>
References: <9D8889FD-B40A-4754-AF4A-9D11BED4556E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20070323163003078676.6163362d@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:51:40 -0300, Andre Garzia wrote:

> I am learning what a byte is and 
> how to code in C using TurboC from 1990... my classmates are happy, 
> ignorance is bliss...

Nothing like being on the bleeding edge! 

;-)

But seriously, Andre, congratulations! May it go smoothly and 
successfully! :-)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 23 17:35:32 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:35:32 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: kicked out
Message-ID: <337680.35016.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nothing new here!

been there, been kicked out twice!

some people don't grow up (and I do not mean Dr
Lange).

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 23 17:35:17 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:35:17 -0500
Subject: OT: I am now a CS Student...
In-Reply-To: <20070323163003078676.6163362d@sonsothunder.com>
References: <9D8889FD-B40A-4754-AF4A-9D11BED4556E@mac.com>
	<20070323163003078676.6163362d@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <46044815.9070401@hyperactivesw.com>

Ken Ray wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:51:40 -0300, Andre Garzia wrote:
> 
>> I am learning what a byte is and 
>> how to code in C using TurboC from 1990... my classmates are happy, 
>> ignorance is bliss...
> 
> Nothing like being on the bleeding edge! 
> 
> ;-)
> 
> But seriously, Andre, congratulations! May it go smoothly and 
> successfully! :-)

If he is that good an xtalker before he gets his degree, what's he going 
to be like when he's done? :)

Good going, Andre.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Fri Mar 23 17:36:44 2007
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:36:44 -0500
Subject: OT: I am now a CS Student...
In-Reply-To: <20070323163003078676.6163362d@sonsothunder.com>
References: <9D8889FD-B40A-4754-AF4A-9D11BED4556E@mac.com>
	<20070323163003078676.6163362d@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <4583C0B4-2CF0-44B9-8622-7895703E2324@earthlink.net>

You're not already a CS student? Could have fooled me, Andre.   
Congratulations!

Marian





From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 23 17:38:16 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:38:16 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Family punchups
Message-ID: <360519.56657.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Why do I have a "funny feeling" that as Ubuntu seems
to gain Linux dominance it also seems to be acquiring
some rather unpleasant facets previously only seen
with commercial operating system?

It has "climbed into bed with Google" - who next we
wonder ?

All you lovers of liberty and non-conformity, methinks
tis time to move on elsewhere!

Love, Richmond

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From tariel at mac.com  Fri Mar 23 17:36:33 2007
From: tariel at mac.com (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:36:33 -0400
Subject: Another Export Snapshot Problem
In-Reply-To: <20070321083253.181A54891ED@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070321083253.181A54891ED@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <02f0138833025a50f6e28bf6271cd36e@mac.com>


On Mar 21, 2007, at 4:32 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>
> Richard and I have been looking at this offlist. I've written Dave
> privately, but just to update everyone here, this is what we found:
>
> 1. There is a problem with PNGs for some reason. The export command
> fails after a certain number of itertations. In Dave's stack, this is
> #289. If you change the export type to GIF or JPEG (or maybe some of 
> the
> others we didn't try) then there is no error after any number of 
> iterations.
>
> 2. The memory leak is significant, but it only occurs in the IDE. It
> isn't an engine problem.  When running the same script in the MC IDE or
> as a standalone, there is no memory leak.
>
> Therefore, Dave can probably work around the issue by changing his
> export format to something other than PNG, and limiting his tests in 
> the
> IDE to fewer repetitions. When run as a standalone, it should be fully
> functional without any leaks for any number of iterations.
>
> I have submitted a bug report for Dave about this, and will update it
> with this info. The bug number is #4558. Gotta thank Richard for some
> heavy-duty sleuthing on this one.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>


It's a shot in the dark but could this memory leak be somehow related 
to the fact that the PaintCompression property in Rev IDE is set to 
"PNG" while in MC IDE and in bare engine it's set to "RLE" ?

If you still have the "testing" handler that exposes the memory leak 
this can be easily tested by setting PaintCompression to "RLE" in Rev 
IDE.


best regards
Tariel



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Mar 23 17:59:40 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:59:40 -0500
Subject: Family punchups
In-Reply-To: <200703231958.58655.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <4604253E.4020604@fourthworld.com>
	<200703231958.58655.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20070323165940513980.a582408b@sonsothunder.com>

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:58:58 +0000, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

Peter, first of all let me say "thank you" for bringing up this 
perspective about Linux and its distros. I would venture to say that 
most people on this list either haven't used any distro of Linux at 
all, have only done so to address a specific Linux distro to which they 
are targeting, or have one or two distros that are used pretty 
exclusively for just seeing how the cross-platform apps look in an 
environment other than Mac or Windows.

And I am squarely in that camp as well. For example, when I developed 
the Linux version of StackRunner, I only tested it and adjusted the 
interface so it would look good on Ubuntu and Red Hat Linux and no 
other distros. As Jacque pointed out, it makes those of us in this camp 
wonder about Linux and how to distirbute apps to one or more of the 
distros. So perhaps you can answer a few questions:

> I do understand Richard's point of view about Linux, though without sharing 
> it, but if you all are not Linux users, but increasingly perhaps write for 
> them, you should be aware that there is a very distinctly different 
> point of view among a large section of them.

Any idea how large this section is? I mean what percent (about) would 
you say that is?

> This tendency has a positive abhorrence for Human Interface 
> Guidlines, which 
> it sees as misplaced authoritarianism, and that's one of the things that 
> makes us very uneasy about Gnome, and makes us absolutely detest MacOS and 
> Windows.  We can't understand why people really want to have all their 
> applications look and feel the same.  We happily mix KDE and Gnome apps and 
> don't even notice their different skins.  We often do not even use either 
> Gnome or KDE, but something much more minimal like Fluxbox.  We don't think 
> one size fits all in user interfaces.  We would say with Blake:
> 
> "One law for the lion and the ox is oppression".

So does this mean that we shouldn't be too wrapped up about how our 
apps look on different Linux distros? Or should we tweak the look for a 
couple of distros and for the rest "let the chips fall where they may"?

> So don't, whatever you do, think that all you have to do to support 
> Linux or get it, is run Ubuntu.  Especially not virtually.  You will be 
missing the 
> heart of the matter.

Understood. It would be really great to get some good advice on 
"developing for Linux" (however you interpret that) using Revolution... 
any suggestions you have would be great.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Fri Mar 23 18:02:16 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:02:16 -0600
Subject: Family punchups
In-Reply-To: <360519.56657.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <360519.56657.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0D196DD2-4E29-48B0-92F3-2CB61FAB462E@byu.edu>


On Mar 23, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Why do I have a "funny feeling" that as Ubuntu seems
> to gain Linux dominance it also seems to be acquiring
> some rather unpleasant facets previously only seen
> with commercial operating system?
>
> It has "climbed into bed with Google" - who next we
> wonder ?
>
> All you lovers of liberty and non-conformity, methinks
> tis time to move on elsewhere!

And while we're at it...

I should be able to drive on whatever bl***y side of the street I  
want to.
I want to be surprised when I turn on one of the water faucets in the  
shower.
I don't care if the > button on my video player goes forward,  
backward, stops or records.
I should be able to say "Goodbye" when I answer the phone and expect  
the person on the other end not to be confused.
I want my mouse cursor to move to the right when I move it away from me.

;-)

Seriously folks, let's not confuse conformity with convention. For  
the vast majority of computer users standardized interfaces is a  
productivity multiplier. There simply will not be widespread adoption  
of Linux (or any other OS) without a well designed, widely-used GUI  
with consistently applied conventions. And do you really believe that  
all other Linux flavors will wither away? To me the emergence of a  
dominant Linux distro is a win-win for everybody. More users = more  
support for the underlying OS.

Full disclosure: I haven't installed Linux (yet). But when I do I'll  
probably go with Ubuntu, with nary an ill thought for users of other  
distros.

Cheers.

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 23 18:17:22 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:17:22 -0600
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <7621100D-EE79-405E-B5FB-93A0ACEAED2A@looktowindward.com>
References: <C22989C9.3070C%bill@bluewatermaritime.com>
	<7621100D-EE79-405E-B5FB-93A0ACEAED2A@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703231517g2e6f3e33n1f87e3fee356e333@mail.gmail.com>

This is a test. I'm sure it's imperative Dave 'get in' the last word. So,
let's see.


From tariel at mac.com  Fri Mar 23 19:31:10 2007
From: tariel at mac.com (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:31:10 -0400
Subject: Bug in "the folders"?
In-Reply-To: <20070323114158.83263488FED@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070323114158.83263488FED@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <d63ee0f0480b9ed13e1eb0a9de56f3e8@mac.com>


On Mar 23, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> ... snip..

> The following "old" directory walker I have use for "decades" from Ken 
> Ray.
> Suddenly it is skipping any folders that start with a space.


>
> on directoryWalk gMainFolder
>
>    set the itemDel to "/"
>    set the directory to gMainFolder
>    put the files into  tFiles
>   put the files into temp
>
> put fld "ID"  into tID
> set the itemdel to "_"
> repeat for each line x in temp
>    if item 1 of x = tID then put x & cr after tHits
> end repeat
>
>    sort temp
>    repeat for each line x in temp
>      if x is not empty then
>        put gMainFolder & "/" & x & cr after gHierList
>      end if
>    end repeat


>    put the folders into tDirList # any folder that begin with space 
> are not returned here.


Interesting, because even if it would return folder with leading space 
here it would be deleted after next two lines.


>    sort tDirList
>    delete line 1 of tDirList

delete line 1 of tDirList is here to delete ".." but if there is a 
folder with leading space it sorts before the ".." and gets deleted.

So, may be you should try to toggle above two lines?

best regards
Tariel



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar 23 20:56:12 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:56:12 -0300
Subject: Family punchups
Message-ID: <4604772C.6040302@howsoft.com>

Richard wrote:
>My apologies if I'd "pushed a button",

--------------------------------------
Absolutely none necessary: it was nothing more than a slight philosophical difference in relation to your "creatively provocative" statements about Linux and Microsoft. We both made it positive, because we both trust the basic intentions of the other. That's exactly how it should be.

--------------------------------------

>So yes indeed, some very positive results came from that exchange.  I 
very much appreciate your passion for Linux -- it's contagious!.  :) 

----------------------------------------------------
And that was the best thing someone has told me for a long time. Thank you!

Bob


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar 23 20:57:01 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:57:01 -0300
Subject: Family punchups
Message-ID: <4604775D.8000109@howsoft.com>

Jacque wrote:

>Bob badgered me into installing Ubuntu. He made some persuasive points 
about tech support needing to run the OS (others on the team already do 
use Linux, but I'm first tier and should have been.) I'd been meaning to 
take the step for ages but didn't do it until he got pushy about it. Now 
I'm glad. Thanks Bob.  :) 

Oh, and also, after we corresponded for a while, we got to be friends. 
Funny how these things work out.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
There are so many nice things being said on this List today, that I 
really don't know what to do with myself! Thanks Jacque.

And don't think that because Ubuntu is my first choice that I don't give 
value to the different perceptions put forward by Richard, Richmond, 
Peter, Ken, Devin, etc. NOTHING is simple in this world! Nor should it be.

Bob



From jhj at jhj.com  Fri Mar 23 20:58:32 2007
From: jhj at jhj.com (Jerry J)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 17:58:32 -0700
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export 	png????)
In-Reply-To: <20070323233430.5378D48923B@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070323233430.5378D48923B@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <2F3797D6-0062-45C3-A2D6-B408E7847C01@jhj.com>

> From: Dave <dave at looktowindward.com>

> Hi,
>
> Sounds like a good excuse to write a "filter" application - in RunRev
> of course!
>
> I don't think that Stephen receives the list via digest though.

I do read the list as a digest. I would have expressed my annoyance  
if Stephen hadn't beaten me to it.

Jerry Jensen



From shaosean at wehostmacs.com  Fri Mar 23 21:02:34 2007
From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 21:02:34 -0400
Subject: sneak peak - "Panes" the Inspector modifier
Message-ID: <d75855b1c9fdc1326d668adcf0e67cb1@wehostmacs.com>

For anyone who has written add-ons for Rev and would have loved to been 
able to use Rev's built-in Inspector to allow for easy configuration of 
your add-on then Panes is for you.

Panes non-destructively patches the IDE to allow for you to quickly and 
easily add new Inspector panes without having to worry about how to do 
it. [see note]

If you're curious about what it looks like, follow these links:
Inspector menu - http://shaosean.wehostmacs.com/_ccount/click.php?id=17
Panes Info pane - http://shaosean.wehostmacs.com/_ccount/click.php?id=18

If you're interested in perhaps writing one or two to shipped with it 
when it gets released, please feel free to contact me.

-Sean


note:  Panes runs as a front script and intercepts certain messages 
that are handled by the Inspector palette and when Panes is turned off 
there is no trace of it ever running.



From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Fri Mar 23 21:09:07 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:09:07 -0300
Subject: OT: I am now a CS Student...
Message-ID: <46047A33.4060804@howsoft.com>

Andre wrote:

 >Hi Folks,
I've been silent but is just because I am busy, I am pleased to

announce that since last week I am now a Computer Science student. I  
am about to graduate on the film school as a BA, looking to the  
future, I see that having a degree onm CS will be important for me,  
so I am now a student on a cheap medium university here, planning to  
transfer next year to a better one. I am learning what a byte is and  
how to code in C using TurboC from 1990... my classmates are happy,  
ignorance is bliss...

--------------------------------------------
There is no end to the nice things on this List today!
(Except for the amount of "engolir sapo" that you will have to do for a while.)
>From a fellow countryman (well, almost), CONGRATULATIONS!
You will undoubtedly go very far.

Bob




From soapdog at mac.com  Fri Mar 23 21:27:59 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 22:27:59 -0300
Subject: sneak peak - "Panes" the Inspector modifier
In-Reply-To: <d75855b1c9fdc1326d668adcf0e67cb1@wehostmacs.com>
References: <d75855b1c9fdc1326d668adcf0e67cb1@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <05D92E28-EC4E-4CE5-99C1-EF5C83849310@mac.com>

Shao Sean,

this is marvelous, I could really use it for the CGI stuff and  
network stuff.
congratulations

Cheers
andre

On Mar 23, 2007, at 10:02 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> For anyone who has written add-ons for Rev and would have loved to  
> been able to use Rev's built-in Inspector to allow for easy  
> configuration of your add-on then Panes is for you.
>
> Panes non-destructively patches the IDE to allow for you to quickly  
> and easily add new Inspector panes without having to worry about  
> how to do it. [see note]
>
> If you're curious about what it looks like, follow these links:
> Inspector menu - http://shaosean.wehostmacs.com/_ccount/click.php? 
> id=17
> Panes Info pane - http://shaosean.wehostmacs.com/_ccount/click.php? 
> id=18
>
> If you're interested in perhaps writing one or two to shipped with  
> it when it gets released, please feel free to contact me.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> note:  Panes runs as a front script and intercepts certain messages  
> that are handled by the Inspector palette and when Panes is turned  
> off there is no trace of it ever running.
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 23 22:03:40 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:03:40 -0600
Subject: OT: I am now a CS Student...
In-Reply-To: <46047A33.4060804@howsoft.com>
References: <46047A33.4060804@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703231903j6d546fd1se05e87bcb2215253@mail.gmail.com>

Wow Andre, a professional student! Soon you'll have a Phd and then no one
can talk to you ;-)
I have a great idea, why don't you make a film of your computer science
experiences. With you directing and starring, it could be quite funny, and
insightful, too.

Seriously, I doubt you'll find anyone smarter than you at school. I used to
be on the Advisory board for a local university here in Austin, and the CS
profs had a very hard time keeping up. They tried, but always had too much
to do to keep up with each/every new thing which comes along. Having
students like you always helped everyone, as they can take some of the load
off teachers by helping others. Good luck!

-Chipp


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Mar 23 22:06:45 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:06:45 -0600
Subject: Family punchups
In-Reply-To: <4604775D.8000109@howsoft.com>
References: <4604775D.8000109@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703231906r6be50116w544195cd5e3bb7da@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

Nice post. Where'd you find "schismogenetically" ??  ;-)


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 23 22:13:02 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:13:02 -0700
Subject: Bug in "the folders"?
In-Reply-To: <d63ee0f0480b9ed13e1eb0a9de56f3e8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C229D73E.445BF%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

A better way of deleting the unwanted is the one line

filter tDirList without ".*"

any file beginning with a period
no need to sort, or wonder which file is at the top
or how many "." files you have.


filter tDirList with " *" --isolate any beginning with spaces

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/23/07 4:31 PM, "Tariel Gogoberidze" <tariel at mac.com> wrote:

> 
> On Mar 23, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
> 
>> ... snip..
> 
>> The following "old" directory walker I have use for "decades" from Ken
>> Ray.
>> Suddenly it is skipping any folders that start with a space.
> 
> 
>> 
>> on directoryWalk gMainFolder
>> 
>>    set the itemDel to "/"
>>    set the directory to gMainFolder
>>    put the files into  tFiles
>>   put the files into temp
>> 
>> put fld "ID"  into tID
>> set the itemdel to "_"
>> repeat for each line x in temp
>>    if item 1 of x = tID then put x & cr after tHits
>> end repeat
>> 
>>    sort temp
>>    repeat for each line x in temp
>>      if x is not empty then
>>        put gMainFolder & "/" & x & cr after gHierList
>>      end if
>>    end repeat
> 
> 
>>    put the folders into tDirList # any folder that begin with space
>> are not returned here.
> 
> 
> Interesting, because even if it would return folder with leading space
> here it would be deleted after next two lines.
> 
> 
>>    sort tDirList
>>    delete line 1 of tDirList
> 
> delete line 1 of tDirList is here to delete ".." but if there is a
> folder with leading space it sorts before the ".." and gets deleted.
> 
> So, may be you should try to toggle above two lines?
> 
> best regards
> Tariel
> 
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From niconiko at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 22:48:25 2007
From: niconiko at gmail.com (Nicolas Cueto)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:48:25 +0900
Subject: unicodeText problem with Japanese
References: <20070323170010.9F198489210@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <003801c76dbe$e62581a0$0b01a8c0@niconiko04zbtb>

Devin Asay wrote:

> I'm not sure what's causing your problems. Could it be related to  
> this bug?
> 
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3614


Yes, that's it exactly!!

Thank you.

--
Nicolas Cueto


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Mar 24 00:57:16 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:57:16 -0800
Subject: must externals be written only in  C/C++ ?
In-Reply-To: <01EC34DC-E0A9-4828-A70A-3DEEBE27AF1C@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
References: <01EC34DC-E0A9-4828-A70A-3DEEBE27AF1C@knowledgeworks.plus.com>
Message-ID: <14995989816.20070323205716@ahsoftware.net>

Bernard-

Friday, March 23, 2007, 8:32:25 AM, you wrote:

> I'm looking at how I would extend both Python and Rev apps with
> externals.  In both cases C is the assumed default, but I had thought
> it should be possible in principle to use FreePascal instead.

In principle, yes. How much control do you have over dll formatting in
FreePascal? My experience has been that Pascal compilers generate
uppercase exported symbols. You'll have to export mixed-case symbols
to work with rev's engine. And I believe, but I'm not sure, that
FreePascal allows you to set the calling protocol to stdcall rather
than the Pascal one (which I can't remember off the top of my head).
At any rate, it's documented in the sdk.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Mar 24 00:59:43 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 20:59:43 -0800
Subject: OT: I am now a CS Student...
In-Reply-To: <46044815.9070401@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <9D8889FD-B40A-4754-AF4A-9D11BED4556E@mac.com>
	<20070323163003078676.6163362d@sonsothunder.com>
	<46044815.9070401@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <10796137358.20070323205943@ahsoftware.net>

Jacque-

Friday, March 23, 2007, 1:35:17 PM, you wrote:

> If he is that good an xtalker before he gets his degree, what's he going
> to be like when he's done? :)

Dumbed down like the rest of us?

...although it's kind of scary to think of turning Andre loose on C
and Pascal...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sat Mar 24 03:25:24 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 15:25:24 +0800
Subject: error in function handler revPaletteObjects
In-Reply-To: <4603F7E1.6060904@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>
	<CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>
	<f73a98160703212009t582c2ac4lb796f4fba56ba9d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<98288B4B-F6E1-4B98-BB3F-9FEA013F3D53@dimensionB.de>
	<f73a98160703230614n35f960d1g3b077a596e69710a@mail.gmail.com>
	<4603F7E1.6060904@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703240025u6fed5364t9a9d0badf776f26f@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/23/07, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>
>
> I haven't traced the whole IDE for this, but I think cCurrentObject
> simply stores the object that was last selected. This allows the IDE to
> set up the property inpsector correctly when you open it, for example.


Then why is it only* in editable fields, not label fields, buttons etc. *I
haven't checked every object, but the Property Inspector seems to do OK with
label fields yet they don't have cCurrentObject.


> It won't have any bearing on your own stack, it isn't used anywhere
> except in the IDE. If you select a different object, the property will
> update itself according to rules I have no idea about.


This is what I'm banking on. I've spent far too much time (and now some
other peoples valuable time) on something that simply didn't need to be
worried about.

Thanks all, and now back to productive scripting :-)


From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Mar 24 03:31:57 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:31:57 +0000
Subject: Family punchups
In-Reply-To: <460435FB.70504@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <4604253E.4020604@fourthworld.com>
	<200703231958.58655.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<460435FB.70504@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <200703240731.58440.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Yes, fonts are an issue.  In rev itself, on Debian, fonts don't seem to work 
completely properly.  But yet they work just fine on Mandriva.  I don't know 
why.  Its not surprising there is an issue with compiled applications in some 
distros.

My own little app, its written on Debian and then moved to Mandriva because 
that's what the users have.  It works just fine (not that it is very 
demanding).  In fact it works identically which is a relief.  But the objects 
aren't aligned in quite the same way.  For instance, two side by side fields 
that fit perfectly on Debian seem to overlap just a bit on Mandriva.  Even 
the button legends in the same standard font seem to vary a bit in size.  
I've started leaving more space than really seems necessary around objects, 
but don't know how to handle the font issue other than again making the 
objects a bit bigger. 

Possibly Jacque's font problem could be caused by some Linux installs not 
having the fonts you're using, and doing substitution?  For instance, you 
can't assume they have the MS fonts - tahoma and so on.  Many people will 
install them after installing the distro, but none will come with them out of 
the box for licensing reasons.  Maybe you have to restrict the range of fonts 
used to ones you can be sure they have?  There may also be an issue about 
paths.  If you supply fonts, but the place where you put your fonts is not on 
the path of your user for fonts, then your app won't find them.  A general 
recipe for fixing this in Rev is going to need someone more expert than me 
though.

If doing this for a living, the solution has to be multi-boot for testing.  
Its not very hard.  Just start out with a clean big disk.  Then partition it 
for the first install to leave a lot of free space, and have the second and 
later installs use free space.  Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, Suse, Slackware.  
Maybe Mandriva, though reports vary on 2007.  You can pick which you want to 
boot from at startup.  A bit like making sure you're OK on Tiger as well as 
Leopard, or XP SP1 as well as SP2.  Or now, Vista.   Then tell your users it 
is tested on XYZ.  

I'll write a longer post on Rev on Linux in a day or so.  But do remember, 
this is an amateur at programming and at Rev writing.  Its what Dan Shafer 
calls an inventive user.  Its not a real Linux guru/sysadmin.  You have been 
warned!

Peter

Jacque wrote:
>For example, I just ran one of my stacks in Ubuntu and the fonts
> I'd assigned were all wrong. If every Linux user is running a different
> distro, are there any ways to make our stacks look at least somewhat
> decent on anyone's machine? Any suggestions about this?


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sat Mar 24 04:14:34 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:14:34 +0800
Subject: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
In-Reply-To: <2F3797D6-0062-45C3-A2D6-B408E7847C01@jhj.com>
References: <20070323233430.5378D48923B@mail.runrev.com>
	<2F3797D6-0062-45C3-A2D6-B408E7847C01@jhj.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703240114s29ab905dxc0b40380455d81b9@mail.gmail.com>

As there has been talk of 'thorough testing' and in light of the recent
posts trying to steer this thread into a different direction I thought I'd
share my own recent tests. Not really Rev related, but as I'm sure everyone
here does regular and thorough backups this may be of interest to one or two
others. Also I'm waiting for Rev to download gm-4:-)

For a while I've had this impression that my FW400 2.5" 5400rpm portable HD
backed up faster than my USB2 3.5" 7200rpm External HD so I finally got
around to actually sitting down and timing it and was extremely surprised.

My test was 'real world' but not fair in that I 'Carbon Copy Cloned' one
partition on my MacBook Pro to the FW400 2.5" and a different partition to
the USB2 3.5" and used Activity Monitor to record the time at 1GB write
intervals plus total time vs total GBs written. Of course there is a host of
reasons why one partition may backup faster than another, but the results
were so disparate (in favour of FW400) that I decided I needed a proper
test.

So using Drive Genius' 'Benchmark' facility I set about testing my 3.5"
External HD which has both FW400 and USB2 connections. I've been using the
USB2 connection because the advertised speed is suppose to be 120% that of
FW400.

Sustained Read Speeds
measures how many times single-block reads can be performed in one second.
This test is affected by read caching (the larger the read cache, the faster
the performance).

Data    FW400        USB2        FW/USB
32K        32.653 MB/s    10.390 MB/s    314%
64K        36.364 MB/s    15.534 MB/s    234%
128K    38.095 MB/s    20.779 MB/s    183%
256K    39.024 MB/s    21.477 MB/s    182%
0.5M    39.506 MB/s    21.333 MB/s    185%
1M        40.000 MB/s    21.192 MB/s    189%
2M        40.000 MB/s    20.915 MB/s    191%
4M        39.506 MB/s    21.769 MB/s    181%
8M        39.506 MB/s    21.769 MB/s    181%
16M        39.025 MB/s    22.535 MB/s    173%

Sustained Write Speeds
measures how many times single-block writes can be performed in 1 second.
This test is affected by write caching (the larger the write cache, the
faster the performance).

32K        17.978 MB/s    7.805 MB/s    230%
64K        30.769 MB/s    12.500 MB/s    246%
128K    32.323 MB/s    17.297 MB/s    187%
0.5M    33.333 MB/s    17.204 MB/s    194%
1M        33.684 MB/s    17.297 MB/s    195%
2M        33.684 MB/s    17.391 MB/s    194%
4M        33.684 MB/s    17.204 MB/s    196%
8M        33.684 MB/s    17.680 MB/s    191%
16M        33.684 MB/s    17.204 MB/s    196%

Random Read
measures drive performance for reads of blocks of data from 2 kilobytes to
16 megabytes.
For small block sizes, seek time and rotational latency are weighted more
heavily. For large block sizes, the transfer rate is weighted more heavily.

32K        5.624 MB/s    4.552 MB/s    124%
64K        9.143 MB/s    8.020 MB/s    114%
128K    15.920 MB/s    12.749 MB/s    125%
256K    22.857 MB/s    15.610 MB/s    146%
0.5M    26.891 MB/s    17.978 MB/s    150%
1M        32.653 MB/s    19.632 MB/s    166%
2M        35.165 MB/s    20.915 MB/s    168%
4M        37.647 MB/s    21.333 MB/s    176%
8M        39.024 MB/s    21.333 MB/s    183%
16M        39.024 MB/s    21.192 MB/s    184%

Random Write
measures drive performance for writes of blocks of data from 2 kilobytes to
16 megabytes.
For small block sizes, seek time and rotational latency are weighted more
heavily. For large block sizes, the transfer rate is weighted more heavily.

32K        10.561 MB/s    5.964 MB/s    177%
64K        15.842 MB/s    9.846 MB/s    161%
128K    23.358 MB/s    15.385 MB/s    152%
256K    30.476 MB/s    16.410 MB/s    186%
0.5M    32.990 MB/s    16.842 MB/s    196%
1M        33.684 MB/s    17.021 MB/s    198%
2M        33.684 MB/s    17.021 MB/s    198%
4M        33.684 MB/s    16.754 MB/s    201%
8M        33.684 MB/s    17.297 MB/s    195%
16M        33.684 MB/s    17.486 MB/s    193%

The Drive Genius guff about each of the tests and what effects the speed is
irrelevant in my case as the HD is the same, the only 'variables' are the
bus controllers, the bus and the wire between them.

Interestingly, although theoretically USB2 is suppose to be 120% FW400 my
results are the exact opposite, FW400 only once fell below 120% the speed of
USB2 and consistently ran at close to 200%.

Guess I'll be disconnecting the USB2 and going with FW400:-)

I'm assuming that my 3.5" HD must have a cheap and 'speed challenged' USB2
controller because if every other USB2 drive produced these kind of results
I'm sure there'd be an uproar. I just wish I'd gone with my 'gut feeling'
earlier and gone with FW400, I'd have saved myself half the time waiting for
backups to complete:-(


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 24 04:14:57 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:14:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Family punchups
Message-ID: <991635.81534.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Devi Asay wrote:

"I should be able to drive on whatever bl***y side of
the street I  
want to.
I want to be surprised when I turn on one of the water
faucets in the  
shower.
I don't care if the > button on my video player goes
forward,  
backward, stops or records"

Well, Yes, there have to be some rules, otherwise we
end up in some sort of unproductive anarchic chaos.

Microsoft and Apple produce operating systems that are
conventional (despite the silly advertising films
currently being bandied around by Apple) and they
would be extremely happy if they could force
conformity as well.

There is nothing wrong with conformity as such, as
long as one never loses sight of the fact that
throughout history what has constituted conformity has
repeatedly changed. If everybody became "locked in" to
a rigid, inflexible conformity creativity and new
ideas would be stifled.

My previous message, where I stated:

"All you lovers of liberty and non-conformity,
methinks
tis time to move on elsewhere!"

was not addressed to everyone; but to those who prefer
to take some, potentially, creative risks.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Mar 24 05:11:15 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:11:15 +0000
Subject: developing on linux part 1
Message-ID: <200703240911.16221.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

I was emboldened to write this by Ken Ray's post - otherwise I'd have felt I 
was teaching my grandmother....  Hope it helps anyone who is sophisicated in 
rev but naive in Linux.

Peter

______________________________________________________________

The thing to understand first is the environment in which almost all the other 
applications on a Linux system have been written.  

They will almost all, unlike yours, be Open Source.  Many will have been 
written in either the Gnome or the KDE development environments.  Even if 
written in other environments, they will use open source components.  If 
written in Python or other popular languages they will probably use the KDE 
or Gnome bindings.  They will then often take their look and feel from the 
Gnome or KDE desktop settings.  They will also have access to all the shared 
libraries, and will use them. OpenSource means that the source code is 
available, and that exotic distributions with exotic sorts of repository 
management can be ignored for packaging purposes, since people running them 
can be asked to compile their own.  See below for packaging.

The environment in which they run is highly layered and structured.  The 
window manager is distinct from the desktop environment, and distinct from 
the log-in manager, and they all are interchangeable and communicate via 
structured protocols.  Unlike either Windows or MacOS, you can choose 
independently:

-- which distribution you will use (Ubuntu, Fedora, Mandriva....)
-- which login manager you use (xdm, kdm, gdm, wdm....)
-- which window manager you will use (metacity, kwin, ICE, openbox, 
Fluxbox...)
-- which desktop environment you will use (KDE, Gnome, Xfce....)
-- which theme you want to use for your desktop environment (Crystal, 
Redmond....)
-- and then, which applications you want (Open Office, KOffice, Gnumeric, 
Abiword...)

Some things are windowmanagers but have functionality now associated with full 
desktop environments.  FVWM, WindowMaker and Enlightenment are in this 
category. 

So, you might choose a theme (icon set and colors) for KDE that makes it look 
just like Gnome.  It will look the same, but will of course still have all 
the KDE menus and default selections.  There are innumerable themes, 
including ones that emulate or approximate Mac and Windows styles.  There is 
no particular way that any distro looks, or even that most Desktop 
Environments look.  OSNews some time ago had a discussion in which people 
were invited to post their desktops.  There were hundreds of posts, and 
screenshots, and almost all were wildly different, even when based on KDE.

This gives rise to the common cry among Mac users encountering Linux for the 
first time:  all this choice is bad for me and makes me unhappy!  Well, 
horses for courses.

Almost all applications will have been packaged for the distro in which they 
are included, and will be available for download from the distribution's 
repositories.  For instance, they will be debian packages, or rpm packages or 
slackware packages.  They will carry indications of what libraries they need, 
and the installer will check for the presence of these and then add them 
automatically if not found during installation. Here are the requirements for 
xfe, a file manager:  
- Xfe is written in C++ and built using the FOX graphical toolkit library, 
therefore:
- For versions of Xfe prior to 0.70, you need the FOX library 1.0.x.
- For versions of Xfe prior to 0.80, you need the FOX library 1.2.x.
- For versions of Xfe prior to 0.98, you need the FOX library 1.4.x.
- For versions 0.98+, you need the FOX library 1.6.x.

Install xfe on Debian or Mandriva, and you'll find that the right Fox toolkit 
comes with it.  You'll also likely find that an entry is made in the KDE and 
Gnome menus, and that your alternative window manager picks up the Gnome and 
KDE menu entries and uses them, even if you are not running either.  
Incidentally, xfe illustrates the rule that if there is one application for 
something on Linux, there are probably ten where he came from.  Gnome uses 
Nautilus, KDE Konqueror.  Or Krusader. And probably someplace there is 
another kxxx being worked on as we write.  You can see why, when Mac people 
complain about the Finder, our eyes start to glaze over....

You can assume, unlike when you write apps for Windows or Mac users, that the 
user already has a huge number of applications preinstalled or can install 
them very easily free.  These will include Office packages, contact managers, 
personal finance and accounting managers, image viewers of all sorts, 
specialist packages like project management, personal catalogue packages for 
books and records and recipes, little toolkits to do things like bulk file 
renaming.  CD and DVD writing.  Desktop publishing.  Image editing. 
Development environments and programming languages.  Take a specific example, 
databases.  I have installed the following (and I'm an amateur):  rekall, 
kexi, knoda, nosql, sqlite, mysql, firebird, flamerobin, OO Base.  You run 
out of energy before you run out of available applications on Linux.  

You however have not written an application like this, you are probably not 
distributing under the GPL, and in any case, you are using a closed source 
tool, Rev.  So unlike almost all the other apps on the system, yours will be 
self contained.  Your app will not be packaged as an rpm or deb file by the 
distribution (though you could do this yourself).  It won't be available on 
the repositories.  You will thus not find your app on installation 
automatically finding its way into the system menus, or appearing as a choice 
for certain file types. None of this is bad, but it is different.

Maybe, if you've never run Linux or only run it as one distro comes out of the 
box, this brief intro will make some of the rest clearer.  Next some thoughts 
on guidelines.


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sat Mar 24 05:58:29 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:58:29 +1000
Subject: developing on linux part 1
In-Reply-To: <200703240911.16221.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200703240911.16221.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703240258g7965b648tf6db4be1e7592e47@mail.gmail.com>

> The thing to understand first is the environment in which almost all the other
> applications on a Linux system have been written.
>
> They will almost all, unlike yours, be Open Source.  Many will have been
> written in either the Gnome or the KDE development environments.  Even if
> written in other environments, they will use open source components.  If
> written in Python or other popular languages they will probably use the KDE
> or Gnome bindings.  They will then often take their look and feel from the
> Gnome or KDE desktop settings.

Hi Peter,

Many thanks for taking the time to enlighten those of us to whom Linux
is still an unknown. However this bit confuses me. I had assumed that
when you compiled an app for Linux it contained no specific UI so it
just adopted the look & feel of the user's system, whether KDE, Gnome
or whatever. You are saying that apps are built with links to a single
environment.

How does Rev fit into this? Do Rev apps for Linux include links to a
specific environment?

And I guess the most important question for those of us who are not
Linux experts but would like to  make Linux versions of our apps
available: what would you recommend as the best distro for testing if
we can only test on one?

Cheers,
Sarah


From bmmeili at swissonline.ch  Sat Mar 24 06:15:08 2007
From: bmmeili at swissonline.ch (Martin Meili)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:15:08 +0100
Subject: scrollbars
Message-ID: <2E8CB314-8D52-4362-B20E-9F61BEAEA110@swissonline.ch>

Hi there
? I've got a problem with scrollbars showing their thumbpositions if  
I run the stack on OSX Tiger. I f you open  the card holding more  
than one scrollbar it takes very long  until the card is ready and  
you can start your work. During this time the multicoloured windmill- 
cursor is shown. When your card is ready,  the changing of the  
scrollbars' thumbpositions is very jerky.

? The problem doesn't occur if I run the stack on OSX Panther, OS 9.x  
and Windows 2000 (Pentium III / 1000 mhz), or if I switch off the  
"show value" property (in this case the stack runs also fast using  
OSX Tiger).

? How to trigger the problem:
- create a new stack with two cards
- go to card two and place some scrollbars on it
- set the "start value" of each to 100
- set the "end value" of each to 0
!!! The other way round works fine ( "start value" set to 0 and the  
"end value"  set to 100 !!!

Now, you've got the problem: Dragging the thumb of one of the  
scrollbars or swichting from card 1 to card 2 or the other way round  
will trigger the showing up of this psychedelic multicoloured  
windmill-cursor  - and changing the thumbs' positions will be jerky.

I've tried out Revolution 2.5. up to 2.8.0 - it's always the same  
problem, so the problem hasn't anythig to do with the release of  
Revolution.


Cheers
Martin




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Mar 24 06:31:35 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:31:35 +0000
Subject: developing for Linux part 2
Message-ID: <200703241031.35858.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

I forgot to mention one other very important aspect of the Linux environment: 
forking.  Because its all GPL, the source code is out there.  If a team or 
person doesn't take 'their' program where users want it to go, or think it 
can or should go, they can just take the code and do it themselves.  This 
means that you are writing closed source for an environment with very 
powerful competitive forces working on the opensource competition.  You could 
see this dramatically with xfree86 and xorg, which are or were the display 
drivers for X11.  There was widespread dissatisfaction with xfree86 which 
finally boiled over.  Within a few months, xorg had forked and everyone was 
using it.  Before, all distros used xfree86.  After, it fell off a cliff and 
none do.  They didn't have to create it from scratch, just from where xfree 
left off.

So suppose you write your app, and suppose it takes off, and suppose someone 
writes a clone, open source, and gets a bit lazy and doesn't do much with it.  
It is in the public domain, and anyone can seize it and make something better 
of it.  The only way he can keep it as his is to keep ahead of demand and the 
pack.  It means your competition is driven by and subject to competitive 
forces far greater than you are, because you can keep your stuff private so 
that only you can update it.  They cannot.  And this is why in the end the 
money in opensource is from support, not sales.  Sobering.

This for example explains the existence of PythonCard.  It is basically just 
an ide for Python - which was there, waiting to be used by someone who wanted 
to make a Hypercard like product.  But they did not have to write a scripting 
language from scratch.  There were a whole bunch of those to choose from 
already out there.

Now, on to  a few suggestions.  But bear in mind reading them, I don't do this 
for a living, and I am very light indeed on coding specifics!  Others may be 
able to add more on that.

1)  Don't worry about matching look and feel: its hopeless and unwanted.  
Specifically, don't worry about matching the look and feel of any particular 
distribution.  Because the look and feel doesn't vary with the distro so much 
as with the window manager and desktop environment.  And anyway, you are 
going to have both gnome and kde users and they will be using apps from both 
stables, so they will be used to things looking different.

2)  Do however test on multiple distros and multiple desktop environments to 
make sure that everything is visible and in the right place.  Fonts will vary 
unpredictably.  I've found on a tiny scale that its a good idea to leave more 
space than your development environment suggests you need around objects, 
because their positioning can vary just a bit between distros.

3)  Make sure you accomodate multiple users.  You have to decide in the 
installation whether you are installing for one user, or for all users.  If 
for one user, put your app in /home/user.  If for multiple users you should 
probably put it in /opt.

4)  Make sure you then follow the conventions on where to store user data.

You'll be tempted to think there is such a place as 'where the application 
is installed', and that perhaps you should keep your user data there.  Like, 
where is the programs folder?  This would be a mistake. There is no such 
place in Linux, except for your application and one or two others like it. 

There are two reasons.  One reason, which is both the glory and the shame of 
Linux (the shame because it leads to 'dependency hell') is that Linux uses 
shared libraries to a very high degree.  So if you take a typical Linux app, 
lets say part of the KDE Office suite, and you look for the database 
component, Kexi, you will not find anything that you can really consider the 
program Kexi and where it is installed.  You'll find a whole bunch of things 
scattered all over the system portion of the file structure. 

If you try to install Kexi with no KDE installed on a bare, non-KDE Debian or 
Ubuntu type system, where it gets all the dependencies for you, you'll be 
surprised to discover that you're downloading over 100Mb.  But Kexi itself is 
quite small.  Then you'll find that the rest of KOffice consumes very little 
extra space.  Its because you've already got the KDE libraries which are used 
by all the K apps.  Now, your application will be closed source and self 
contained, so it will be in one place.  But it is unusual in this.

The second reason is the accomodation of a multi user environment.  No well 
behaved Linux application will store user data in /opt, even if that's where 
it installs itself.  There are two reasons.  First, routine backups will only 
back up /home.  So that's where all user data should go.  The second is that 
you have to allow for multiple users to create identically named files, 
including preferences.  So you cannot put them all in one place.  

It follows that all user data belongs in /home/user, even if you are 
installing your program in /opt in order for it to be usable by everyone who 
logs in.  Rev itself on Linux is not well behaved in this sense.  It expects 
as a default to store your work in the Revolution folder.  It should expect 
to store them in /home/user.

4)  In the file navigation part of your app, don't make users step through all 
the dot files.  Rev fails here too.  /home/user is full of files which start 
with dot, as in /home/peter/.kde.  When you are offering to save a file, or 
open a file, don't display these.  Its just confusing and irritating.  Rev is 
a good example of what not to do.  You fire it up, and do open.  It offers 
you everything in the Revolution folder.  However, you do not want that, 
because the app you are working on is on the desktop.  So you go up a level.  
Now you see /opt.  Up again and you see the file system.  Down 
to /home/peter. Now, before you can see the files on the desktop, you have 30 
or 40 dot files to step through, and somewhere at the bottom is Desktop.  
Don't do it to people!  Any Linux app, eg Kate or OpenOffice or Gedit, will 
show how this should be done.  In compiled versions of course you get around 
this by relative addressing, but you do have to think about it if you put 
your app in /opt and your user files in /home/user.  You'll get into this 
mess if you allow them to just do open file, if it defaults to trying to open 
a file in /opt/application.

5)  Accomodate multiple desktops.  All Linux desktops will come with multiple 
virtual work spaces.  Gnome or KDE will install out of the box with 4.  
People need to be able to use them - if it makes sense for your app.  This is 
something that rev on Linux fails dramatically at.  If you have lots of 
different windows in an application open at once, you should be able to put 
one or two on a different workspace.  For instance, if I'm doing a 
complicated spreadsheet, I often have the Open Office document open on one 
desktop and the help open on another, and flip between them.  With Rev, you 
can have half a dozen free desktops, but all crammed into one window you'll 
have the dictionary, the tool palette, the application, the property 
inspector, the script editor, all overlapping and getting in each others way.   
I've no idea how to write Rev apps so that they behave properly in desktops, 
but if you are going to have this many possible windows, you have to allow 
people to manage them as they are used to doing.  To see how this should 
work, use OpenOffice.  Note the little icon and popup menu at the very top 
left, above the File menu.  Open up a document and also help.  Then move help 
to a different desktop.  Notice how you can use the icons on the reduced 
image of the desktop in the bottom toolbar (or the Gnome default is the top 
one) to move open windows from one desktop to another.  You can do this with 
rev windows too.  The problem is, as soon as you use them, back they all come 
to the same desktop!

6)  Be very wary of fonts. You cannot assume that a Linux install has all the 
same fonts you have in OSX or Windows.   If you are going to use the MS 
fonts, you have to make sure they are installed.  And alas, how to install 
fonts varies from distro to distro.  Kfontviewer is the common denominator, 
but Gnome installations like Ubuntu will not have it out of the box, they'll 
have to get it first.  Mandriva has its own font management package.  The 
safest thing is going to be only use fonts which you are sure come out of the 
box for all distros.  The other issue with fonts is paths.  Even if you 
supply fonts, you can't be sure, unless the path is set right, that your user 
and thus your app, can find them.  Don't go there, unless your users are 
quite expert.

I am conscious that this is all a bit high level, but its what has struck me, 
and if it prompts others to write more detailed dos and don'ts, maybe it will 
have helped.

Peter


From rabit at dimensionB.de  Sat Mar 24 07:41:44 2007
From: rabit at dimensionB.de (Ralf Bitter)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:41:44 +0100
Subject: scrollbars
In-Reply-To: <2E8CB314-8D52-4362-B20E-9F61BEAEA110@swissonline.ch>
References: <2E8CB314-8D52-4362-B20E-9F61BEAEA110@swissonline.ch>
Message-ID: <5372C7F0-6663-40D1-B742-18295931C012@dimensionB.de>

Hi Martin,

don't get the "windmill-cursor" here, and,
in contrast to your experience, I am not able
to drag the thumb at all if the start value is
greater than the end value.

(Tiger, latest 2.8 Rev version, testet in the IDE ony)

Ralf Bitter

On 24. Mrz 2007, at 11:15, Martin Meili wrote:

> Hi there
> ? I've got a problem with scrollbars showing their thumbpositions  
> if I run the stack on OSX Tiger. I f you open  the card holding  
> more than one scrollbar it takes very long  until the card is ready  
> and you can start your work. During this time the multicoloured  
> windmill-cursor is shown. When your card is ready,  the changing of  
> the scrollbars' thumbpositions is very jerky.
>
> ? The problem doesn't occur if I run the stack on OSX Panther, OS  
> 9.x and Windows 2000 (Pentium III / 1000 mhz), or if I switch off  
> the "show value" property (in this case the stack runs also fast  
> using OSX Tiger).
>
> ? How to trigger the problem:
> - create a new stack with two cards
> - go to card two and place some scrollbars on it
> - set the "start value" of each to 100
> - set the "end value" of each to 0
> !!! The other way round works fine ( "start value" set to 0 and the  
> "end value"  set to 100 !!!
>
> Now, you've got the problem: Dragging the thumb of one of the  
> scrollbars or swichting from card 1 to card 2 or the other way  
> round will trigger the showing up of this psychedelic multicoloured  
> windmill-cursor  - and changing the thumbs' positions will be jerky.
>
> I've tried out Revolution 2.5. up to 2.8.0 - it's always the same  
> problem, so the problem hasn't anythig to do with the release of  
> Revolution.
>
>
> Cheers
> Martin
>
>
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Mar 24 07:47:16 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 11:47:16 +0000
Subject: developing on linux part 1
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703240258g7965b648tf6db4be1e7592e47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200703240911.16221.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<f99b52860703240258g7965b648tf6db4be1e7592e47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200703241147.16707.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

I checked to be sure.  Started up Gnome, KDE and Windowmaker and fired up Rev 
and the same stack in them all.

What happens is that the borders and window colors change according to the 
environment.  So if, for instance, you've set your KDE theme to Sun, you'll 
see the purple surround on the app under KDE, and something quite different 
under Gnome, which might be set to minimal.  And Windowmaker will be the WM 
colors, whatever you have picked.   Obviously it puts the open and close 
icons in the standard places for the window manager.

But that's all.  Your buttons and fonts within the app are identical no matter 
what desktop you use, as you'd expect.  

I was saying, don't worry about trying to match a particular icon style with 
the buttons and fonts and graphical elements you create yourself, because 
this is something that will vary from installation to installation so there 
is nothing really to match to.  Unlike Mac especially or Windows to some 
extent, where there really is a house style for graphical elements.  And 
anyway, your Linux users will see Platinum style icons and not really worry 
that its a bit different from their other apps.  Whereas I suspect that your 
Mac users confronted with KDE style icons might abruptly lose their sense of 
humor and start muttering about Fisher Price.

You see the lack of a house style with Linux if you look at kmail and 
evolution.  Both on Gnome, one has the typical Gnome OS9 type folder icons, 
and kmail is, well, a bit more garish.

If I were going to test on one distro?  Debian, and I'd look at it in KDE, 
Gnome, Xfce and one of Fluxbox or Windowmaker.  But if I were doing it for a 
living, I'd do multiboot with at least Debian, Fedora, Suse and Ubuntu.  And 
maybe a Slack based one as well.  Just to be sure.  Most of the time it will 
be just fine.  Once in a while though, a field will overlap a button or 
something similar.


Peter

>You are saying that apps are built with links to a single
> environment.
>
> How does Rev fit into this? Do Rev apps for Linux include links to a
> specific environment?


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat Mar 24 08:51:32 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:51:32 +0200 (FLE Standard Time)
Subject: [off-topic] spreadsheet for MacOSX
References: <200703241147.16707.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <46051ED4.000001.00716@MAZYTIS>

Sorry, this is slightly off-topic, but I know there are many good-willed
MacOS users on this list :-) 
 
I have just acquired MacBook (MacOSX 10.4.8 Tiger, 1.83 Ghz Intel Core Duo,
etc...). 
Now facing a problem - what software to install to get Spreadheet like Open
Office Calc or MS Excell... Tried Open Office for Mac OSX (using OO on my
Windows and Linux boxes). But it looks like it is underdeveloped on MacOSX -
autofilter does not work correctly, problems with national fonts, very slow
scrolling in Calc - table is redrawn several times until it gets scrolled to
the right position. 
Could you please let me know what open source or proprietary spreadsheet
software do you usually use on your Macintoshes ? Do not mention Microsoft,
I already know this, now looking for cheaper alternatives. Thanks for any
advice! 
 
All the best, 
Viktoras


From jerry at hytext.com  Sat Mar 24 10:04:00 2007
From: jerry at hytext.com (Jerry Muelver)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 08:04:00 -0600
Subject: Family punchups
In-Reply-To: <360519.56657.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <360519.56657.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46052FD0.5010308@hytext.com>

Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> Why do I have a "funny feeling" that as Ubuntu seems
> to gain Linux dominance it also seems to be acquiring
> some rather unpleasant facets previously only seen
> with commercial operating system?
> 
> It has "climbed into bed with Google" - who next we
> wonder ?
> 
> All you lovers of liberty and non-conformity, methinks
> tis time to move on elsewhere!
> 

"Liberty and non-conformity", while enjoyable, are not an appropriate 
be-all and end-all for a creative, or even productive, experience. 
Standardization and conformity can offer freedom from constant 
relearning, widget-juggling, and irksome negotiating with the interface 
just to get a job done. Consider the haiku, and the freedom its severe 
constraints offer the poet.

It's not the limitation of the tool that matters, but what you can do 
within those limitations.

---- Jerry Muelver


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sat Mar 24 09:06:22 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:06:22 -0400
Subject: [off-topic] spreadsheet for MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <46051ED4.000001.00716@MAZYTIS>
References: <200703241147.16707.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<46051ED4.000001.00716@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <p06240811c22acffb3660@[192.168.1.31]>

Appleworks should work fine in Rosetta.
It creates .xls and .doc files.

http://www.apple.com/appleworks/

available for $79

http://www.macmall.com/macmall/search/search.asp?search=appleworks&NavID_Search=false&submit1.x=0&submit1.y=0&CurDSN=simple&calledfrom=1&incimage=on


by the way, the REAL excel can be had for about $200 when not 
purchased in the suite.

http://www.smalldog.com/product/12652795



>Sorry, this is slightly off-topic, but I know there are many good-willed
>MacOS users on this list :-)
>
>I have just acquired MacBook (MacOSX 10.4.8 Tiger, 1.83 Ghz Intel Core Duo,
>etc...).
>Now facing a problem - what software to install to get Spreadheet like Open
>Office Calc or MS Excell... Tried Open Office for Mac OSX (using OO on my
>Windows and Linux boxes). But it looks like it is underdeveloped on MacOSX -
>autofilter does not work correctly, problems with national fonts, very slow
>scrolling in Calc - table is redrawn several times until it gets scrolled to
>the right position.
>Could you please let me know what open source or proprietary spreadsheet
>software do you usually use on your Macintoshes ? Do not mention Microsoft,
>I already know this, now looking for cheaper alternatives. Thanks for any
>advice!
>
>All the best,
>Viktoras

-- 


stephen barncard
s a n  f r a n c i s c o
- - -  - - - - - - - - -





From wjm at wjm.org  Sat Mar 24 09:18:01 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 09:18:01 -0400
Subject: [off-topic] spreadsheet for MacOSX
References: <200703241147.16707.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk><46051ED4.000001.00716@MAZYTIS>
	<p06240811c22acffb3660@[192.168.1.31]>
Message-ID: <eu38ef$ufd$1@sea.gmane.org>

Viktoras,

>>Could you please let me know what open source or proprietary spreadsheet
>>software do you usually use on your Macintoshes ? Do not mention 
>>Microsoft,
>>I already know this, now looking for cheaper alternatives. Thanks for any
>>advice!

Even if you were willing to give Bill Gates your cash, the real Excel is not 
a universal binary yet. I'd hold off until it is. Nothing like hearing your 
fans start up and accelerate to a dull roar, and chewing up your battery 
life... only to have to pay for an upgrade when it's available.

I really like NeoOffice. Works a lot prettier and cleaner than OpenOffice.

http://www.neooffice.org 





From jc at spl21.net  Sat Mar 24 09:55:35 2007
From: jc at spl21.net (John Craig)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:55:35 +0000
Subject: group horizontal scrollbar movement
In-Reply-To: <B3E7B72E-F7A8-424F-BFA2-9713B237B970@byu.edu>
References: <4603C330.2040003@spl21.net>
	<B3E7B72E-F7A8-424F-BFA2-9713B237B970@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <46052DD7.1070802@spl21.net>

Thanks - you are right - did an update and it's fixed - happy days.

:-)


Devin Asay wrote:
> On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:08 AM, John Craig wrote:
>
>> Anyone know if there is a reason why clicking on the arrows on a 
>> horizontal scrollbar on a group moves the thumb AWAY from the arrow 
>> you clicked on?  (Windows + Rev 2.8)
>
> John,
>
> Do you have the latest version of 2.8? I seem to recall reading about 
> a scrollbar bug that sounds a lot like this that was fixed in a later 
> version. I can't find it in the bug list just now, however.
>
> Devin
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From mlange at widged.com  Sat Mar 24 10:24:11 2007
From: mlange at widged.com (Marielle Lange)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:24:11 +0000
Subject: correction
Message-ID: <27994148-F997-46A4-A684-286F3EF9EB7B@widged.com>

About my previous email, please, if possible, ignore it. This was  
stupid most stupid of me to write this on the list.

A wish I had expressed was to keep away from the lists and runrev  
business for 2 months as I needed to focus on other projects. As I  
was in an unstable state of mind and preferred to stay away from  
doing stupid things I would come to later regret, I had in fact  
voluntarily unsubscribed myself from the use-list a few days ago.

Some misunderstanding has taken place, leading to inappropriate and  
much unfortunate escalate. Bob's schismogenetic comment is right. I  
have to confess some clear responsibility in this escalate.

Best regards,
Marielle

------------------------------------------------
Marielle Lange (PhD),  http://widged.com
Bite-size Applications for Education







From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 24 10:47:29 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 07:47:29 -0700
Subject: Speaking/Reading a dialog - Problem Solved FYI
In-Reply-To: <27994148-F997-46A4-A684-286F3EF9EB7B@widged.com>
References: <27994148-F997-46A4-A684-286F3EF9EB7B@widged.com>
Message-ID: <97F1D33C-A32D-4629-A502-847273D137CD@Cox.Net>

Hi Everyone,

Some time back I asked this question of the list. Mostly, I was told  
it can't be done. As a curiosity I put the statement:
revSpeak "The text to be read"&prompt immediately before the Ask  
statement. Lo and behold, It starts reading the text and prompt ever  
so slightly before the dialog appears and then continues until it is  
finished while the Dialog is on the screen. There also appears to be  
no interference with the interaction with the Dialog. Problem solved!

Joe Wilkins




From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sat Mar 24 12:07:02 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:07:02 +0800
Subject: [off-topic] spreadsheet for MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <eu38ef$ufd$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <200703241147.16707.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<46051ED4.000001.00716@MAZYTIS> <p06240811c22acffb3660@192.168.1.31>
	<eu38ef$ufd$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703240907u2921d18fx8ccf2558bb17baa2@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/24/07, Bill Marriott <wjm at wjm.org> wrote:
>
>
> I really like NeoOffice. Works a lot prettier and cleaner than OpenOffice.
>
> http://www.neooffice.org


I'm also a NeoOffice user, but only to view the MS stuff people send me.
Don't really create anything with it. I fully agree though, it's better than
OpenOffice.

Still have AppleWorks, using with Rosetta is OK, actually had it up and
running earlier today to produce the tabulated results of a speed test
between FW400 and USB2 that appeared in a separate post on this list, but AW
is getting long in the tooth.

You might want to take a look at this.

http://www.x-tables.eu/more/overview.html

Have no experience with it myself, just did a google search and came up with
it. Only ?40 and UB, so if you needs are basic it may be suitable.

HTH


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sat Mar 24 12:09:25 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:09:25 -0300
Subject: Family punchups
Message-ID: <46054D35.7050806@howsoft.com>

Chipp wrote:

 >Bob,

Nice post. Where'd you find "schismogenetically" ??   ;-) 

------------------------------------------
Thanks. I made it up, of course. I knew you would be impressed.

Seriously, it is a term coined by Gregory Bateson, one of the not-totally-recognized geniuses of last century. He was an anthropologist, a biologist (like his father) and a philosopher. Perhaps one of his wives is better known because she made more stink in the world regarding women's liberation: Margaret Mead.  Gregory's best known publication probably is "Steps to an Ecology of Mind". It's a series of articles written throughout his life. Most of my own fundamental ideas about the way society works (doesn't work) come from this book.

Bob



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Sat Mar 24 12:11:57 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:11:57 +0800
Subject: correction
In-Reply-To: <27994148-F997-46A4-A684-286F3EF9EB7B@widged.com>
References: <27994148-F997-46A4-A684-286F3EF9EB7B@widged.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703240911j1bd7b57ctfc8b914cf73c212e@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/24/07, Marielle Lange <mlange at widged.com> wrote:
>
> About my previous email, please, if possible, ignore it.


Well I've ignored it.

Hope things work out, and when the time is right, we get to read you back on
the list:-)


From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Sat Mar 24 12:16:33 2007
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:16:33 +0000
Subject: must externals be written only in  C/C++ ?
Message-ID: <1EFD7740-EC36-4392-AE91-024B4B4AFD82@knowledgeworks.plus.com>


Mark wrote

> In principle, yes. How much control do you have over dll formatting in
> FreePascal? My experience has been that Pascal compilers generate
> uppercase exported symbols. You'll have to export mixed-case symbols
> to work with rev's engine. And I believe, but I'm not sure, that
> FreePascal allows you to set the calling protocol to stdcall rather
> than the Pascal one (which I can't remember off the top of my head).
> At any rate, it's documented in the sdk.

Thanks a lot for that information.  I asked the FPC developers and  
they pointed out that both of the above would not be an issue.   
However, on reflection I think that the easiest thing might be to  
wrap any such external functionality in an xml-rpc wrapper.  Once I  
have such a wrapper working I will be able to make calls through that  
(and it will work with either Rev or Python as an xml-rpc client).

It's been a revelation to me to be looking at Pascal again - I  
haven't touched Pascal for almost 20 years, but I was able to read  
and understand much of their code without looking at any reference  
material.  I wish I could say the same for code written in C.

Bernard.


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Mar 24 13:01:00 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:01:00 -0700
Subject: [off-topic] spreadsheet for MacOSX
Message-ID: <4605594C.5020802@fourthworld.com>

Viktoras wrote:
> Could you please let me know what open source or proprietary spreadsheet
> software do you usually use on your Macintoshes ?

I've been using ThinkFree Office for years, now in Universal Binary:

<http://www.thinkfree.com>

US$49.95

A trial version is available, and the product comes with a 
RevOnline-style remote backup option at no additional cost.

I've found it to perform reasonably well for my needs, certainly above 
my expectations for the low cost of such a suite.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sat Mar 24 13:04:44 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:04:44 -0300
Subject: developing on linux part 1
Message-ID: <46055A2C.40300@howsoft.com>

Peter wrote:

[A whole lot of fantastic stuff]

-------------------------------------------------------------
Wow! Thanks for that, Peter. Perhaps in another 5 years or so, I'll know 
half of what you know about Linux. Now that the Linux ball has begun to 
roll in Rev, people like me need people like you, so don't go away, will 
you?

People need to discover the practicalities of dealing with Linux in 
their programming, and there is a lot of bewilderment out there. I have 
said repeatedly, "Let's kick off with Ubuntu", so much so that people 
with an "either/or" way of thinking have started to get the wrong 
impression, and some people are distinctly afraid of all this attention 
to a single distro.

What I have in mind is a pilot scheme regarding Rev/Linux.  Let's start 
with Ubuntu itself, the most dominant and easy to use distro currently, 
until we all know where we are and where we stand. Hell, that's already 
1000% better than not using Linux at all! Once this has been done, then 
the most natural thing is to move to Ubuntu-based Linuxes, and there are 
quite a lot of them nowadays (including Mepis, Mint, etc., etc.). In 
stage 3, the world is at our feet.

Rev have always been anxious to make their product as compatible as 
possible with the greatest number of Linuxes. This is great. But in 
practical terms during this initial stage, you only have to try using 
Rev 2.6.1 with a few of them in order to very quickly discover the 
problems involved. At this moment in Linux history, "compatibility" with 
a great number of Linuxes is perhaps possible, but guaranteeing that the 
Rev IDE works FULLY in more than a few Linuxes is probably impossible! 
And that's to say nothing of our own Rev applications that might have to 
face even more complex problems of compatibility.

To begin, we need a Rev Linux that works! Even if we select a single 
Linux like Ubuntu to begin with, we need to remember that Linux 
(including Ubuntu) is in a constant state of intensive development. For 
example, as you might know, I produced a pair of File/Picture Chooser 
Widgets for Ubuntu which included the detection and possible use of a 
floppy diskette drive. Since my first version, Ubuntu have changed 
completely the way they detect and mount floppies, and my widgets in 
their original version don't work any more! And Ubuntu didn't ask my 
opinion before they did it! So what is needed I think is the setting up 
of some kind of dialogue between Rev and the Linux producers (in this 
case Ubuntu) to make sure as far as possible that significant changes to 
the internal functioning of the OS's don't completely clobber 
applications such as those produced in Rev.

There are indications that RR are considering this idea.

Bob



From revdev at pdslabs.net  Sat Mar 24 13:27:27 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:27:27 -0700
Subject: [off-topic] spreadsheet for MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <eu38ef$ufd$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <200703241147.16707.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk><46051ED4.000001.00716@MAZYTIS>	<p06240811c22acffb3660@[192.168.1.31]>
	<eu38ef$ufd$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <46055F7F.5070101@pdslabs.net>

Ditto. I use it frequently.
Phil Davis



Bill Marriott wrote:
> I really like NeoOffice. Works a lot prettier and cleaner than OpenOffice.
> 
> http://www.neooffice.org 


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Sat Mar 24 13:57:57 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 14:57:57 -0300
Subject: correction
Message-ID: <460566A5.5090401@howsoft.com>

Marielle wrote:

>About my previous email, please, if possible, ignore it. This was  
stupid most stupid of me to write this on the list.

A wish I had expressed was to keep away from the lists and runrev  
business for 2 months as I needed to focus on other projects. As I  
was in an unstable state of mind and preferred to stay away from  
doing stupid things I would come to later regret, I had in fact  
voluntarily unsubscribed myself from the use-list a few days ago.

Some misunderstanding has taken place, leading to inappropriate and  
much unfortunate escalate. Bob's schismogenetic comment is right. I  
have to confess some clear responsibility in this escalate.

Best regards,
Marielle

-------------------------------------------------------
Marielle:

I know nothing about the issues that have taken place, and I am therefore totally unqualified to comment on them. But what is clear is the fact that it took some very good basic qualities in order to write the post cited above, and it warms my heart to see it on this UR-List.

Best wishes,
Bob




From vokey at uleth.ca  Sat Mar 24 14:10:35 2007
From: vokey at uleth.ca (John Vokey)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 12:10:35 -0600
Subject: [off-topic] spreadsheet for MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <20070324135346.DBA64489246@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070324135346.DBA64489246@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8D5C28E8-6DDC-46C1-845B-DBBD80D9AFD1@uleth.ca>

Try Mariner Calc: not free, but inexpensive, and it is available as  
universal for OS X intel macs <http://www.marinersoftware.com/ 
sitepage.php?page=14>
--
Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See <http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>

-Dr. John R. Vokey




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 24 14:12:06 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:12:06 -0500
Subject: error in function handler revPaletteObjects
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703240025u6fed5364t9a9d0badf776f26f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <13AAF3C3-02DC-401C-B047-B57F7CEA77A3@runrev.com>	<CCD3C7B9-68CE-4299-96C6-0293F5679FBA@dimensionB.de>	<f73a98160703212009t582c2ac4lb796f4fba56ba9d1@mail.gmail.com>	<98288B4B-F6E1-4B98-BB3F-9FEA013F3D53@dimensionB.de>	<f73a98160703230614n35f960d1g3b077a596e69710a@mail.gmail.com>	<4603F7E1.6060904@hyperactivesw.com>
	<f73a98160703240025u6fed5364t9a9d0badf776f26f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <460569F6.8030403@hyperactivesw.com>

Kay C Lan wrote:
> On 3/23/07, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I haven't traced the whole IDE for this, but I think cCurrentObject
>> simply stores the object that was last selected. This allows the IDE to
>> set up the property inpsector correctly when you open it, for example.
> 
> 
> Then why is it only* in editable fields, not label fields, buttons etc. *I
> haven't checked every object, but the Property Inspector seems to do OK 
> with
> label fields yet they don't have cCurrentObject.

Well, like I said, I haven't traced its function very thoroughly and I'm 
mostly just guessing -- maybe it is related only to table fields. What 
I'm pretty sure about is that it is an IDE-only property that won't 
affect your own stack. I think you are safe to ignore it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 24 14:22:38 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 13:22:38 -0500
Subject: Family punchups
In-Reply-To: <200703240731.58440.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <4604253E.4020604@fourthworld.com>	<200703231958.58655.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>	<460435FB.70504@hyperactivesw.com>
	<200703240731.58440.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <46056C6E.3050403@hyperactivesw.com>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> Possibly Jacque's font problem could be caused by some Linux installs not 
> having the fonts you're using, and doing substitution? 

Yes, I'm sure that is the issue. It was pretty obvious when I looked at 
the field properties in my stack under Ubuntu. There is a difference in 
behavior with the Linux engine though, probably due to the fact that it 
is so far behind the other releases.

I knew I'd need an installed font to make it look right, and the scripts 
already branch to accomodate different platforms. A handler sets up the 
field properties depending on what's available in the OS. The problem I 
have is that if there is no consistent font in any Linux disto, I'm 
stuck as to what font to assign. The fields need to have a large display 
textsize. If the font is not available, it defaults not only to an 
unknown substitution font, but the textsize reduces to 10 point. In the 
context of my stack, the appearance is horrible. So I definitely need to 
know what fonts to assign at openstack so that the resizing won't happen.

After looking at the fontnames, I made a guess that "Sans" would be a 
universal system setting and that by replacing the textfont property 
with "Sans" for Linux, any distro would substitute the user's sans-serif 
system choice. That didn't happen. I don't know if Rev is just 
interpreting "sans" as a real font name, or if my assumptions about what 
should happen are wrong.

It would be great, if you know it, to hear whether there are any 
universal fonts or font settings across distros. I think the font issue 
is one of the biggest that cross-platform stack developers would need to 
address.

By the way, your posts are invaluable. I am saving every one of them, 
and I hope you write lots more. I know you feel you are talking to your 
grandmother, but for some of us, that's exactly the level we need. I 
very much appreciate the time you've taken to write up your extensive 
thoughts and I hope you'll keep going. Thanks very much.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Sat Mar 24 17:42:23 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:42:23 +0200 (FLE Standard Time)
Subject: multicore and true threading
References: <8D5C28E8-6DDC-46C1-845B-DBBD80D9AFD1@uleth.ca>
Message-ID: <46059B3E.000003.02680@MAZYTIS>

Dear all, 
 
first of all thanks for all your responses on spreadsheet applications -
really helpful ! 
 
I've recently read this (http://www.gotw.ca/publications/concurrency-ddj
htm) and a few other writings and find myself a bit concerned about the
future :-). 
 
As we might know, the strategy in processor development 2 years ago started
switching direction from gaining on gigaherzes to pushing multiple cores
into a single chip. About that time Intel abandoned its 4 Ghz processor
plans and switched focus to multiple core chips. Recently it advertised
pushing more and more cores into a single chip - quadcore, octacore, etc...
This means we will likely see no 6 Ghz processor anytime soon and instead
threading will become essential within a few years. Without threading
developers will have to stick with only a fraction of computing power of a
single processor core. Does anyone know what are plans to implement true
threading within Revolution? Or, alternatively, are there plans to implement
multithreading at the engine level so that engine decides how to distribute
workload of an application in the most optimal way? Or maybe it is the OS
that will make the final decision... 
 
And a practical question - how to stop a long loop with a single click of a
button ? I tried 
on mouseclick 
exit to top 
end mouseclick 
without any success, i could't even get an opportunity to click that button,
because it is on an other stack/window which looses focus while loop is
executing ;-)... Are there any graceful recipes for this? 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras


From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Mar 24 19:48:33 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:48:33 +0000
Subject: multicore and true threading
In-Reply-To: <46059B3E.000003.02680@MAZYTIS>
References: <8D5C28E8-6DDC-46C1-845B-DBBD80D9AFD1@uleth.ca>
	<46059B3E.000003.02680@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <DAFAAC87-E151-49DE-9093-2811EFA471D6@maseurope.net>

repeat forever
   if the mouse is down then exit repeat
   do stuff
end repeat


best,

Mark

On 24 Mar 2007, at 21:42, Viktoras Didziulis wrote:

>
>
> And a practical question - how to stop a long loop with a single  
> click of a
> button ? I tried
> on mouseclick
> exit to top
> end mouseclick
> without any success, i could't even get an opportunity to click  
> that button,
> because it is on an other stack/window which looses focus while  
> loop is
> executing ;-)... Are there any graceful recipes for this?
>
> All the best!
> Viktoras
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From revcompgeek at gmail.com  Sat Mar 24 20:39:34 2007
From: revcompgeek at gmail.com (Matt)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:39:34 -0600
Subject: Bluetooth
In-Reply-To: <20070319170544675204.96cbaf69@sonsothunder.com>
References: <1c7cf1a70703191408r25492a30o8d4867b87c3461a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070319170544675204.96cbaf69@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <1c7cf1a70703241739y1de5b7cdh8391927f1c969e34@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/19/07, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:08:45 -0600, Matt wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know of the way that I could use BlueTooth to connect to my
> Palm
> > Pilot through Revolution? I am on a PowerBook G4 and would use the built
> in
> > Bluetooth. I know that i would have to use something like open socket,
> but I
> > don't know which socket to open.
> >
> > The purposes of this is that I would like to have a program that would
> make
> > the computer act like an external keyboard.
>
> Sorry, Matt... I don't know what port you need either. Shame you're on
> a Mac... there's a Windows program called TapSmart KeyLink for PCs that
> does exactly what you are asking for:
>
>   http://www.mobilityware.com/KeyLink/KeyLinkProduct.htm
>
> Rated 5 stars on PalmGear.com from the couple dozen people who reviewed
> it. Maybe this works through Parallels?
>
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
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>

That is interesting, too bad it isn't for mac.

-- 
Matthew Peterson
Programmer
Christa McAuliffe Space Education Center


From wjm at wjm.org  Sat Mar 24 22:14:27 2007
From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 22:14:27 -0400
Subject: developing on linux part 1
References: <46055A2C.40300@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <eu4lu3$llv$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hi Bob,

> What I have in mind is a pilot scheme regarding Rev/Linux.  Let's start 
> with Ubuntu itself, the most dominant and easy to use distro currently, 
> until we all know where we are and where we stand. Hell, that's already 
> 1000% better than not using Linux at all!

FYI: About 10% of participants in the "Rev Open Beta" report using Linux, 
and are eagerly awaiting the Linux beta. About half of them use Ubuntu or a 
derivative. Next in popularity is SUSE/OpenSUSE, then Fedora, and the rest 
are Linspire and other Debian-based distributions. 





From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 25 02:09:54 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:09:54 -0700
Subject: multicore and true threading
In-Reply-To: <DAFAAC87-E151-49DE-9093-2811EFA471D6@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <C22B6042.44617%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

if the altkey is down (same as the optionKey on the Mac)
if the controlkey is down (same as the commandKey on the Mac)
if the shiftkey is down

if the shiftkey is down and the controlKey is down then


Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/24/07 4:48 PM, "Mark Smith" <mark at maseurope.net> wrote:

> repeat forever
>    if the mouse is down then exit repeat
>    do stuff
> end repeat
> 
> 
> best,
> 
> Mark
> 
> On 24 Mar 2007, at 21:42, Viktoras Didziulis wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> And a practical question - how to stop a long loop with a single
>> click of a
>> button ? I tried
>> on mouseclick
>> exit to top
>> end mouseclick
>> without any success, i could't even get an opportunity to click
>> that button,
>> because it is on an other stack/window which looses focus while
>> loop is
>> executing ;-)... Are there any graceful recipes for this?
>> 




From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 25 02:11:52 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 23:11:52 -0700
Subject: Enabling a Menu
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B79AF0B9-5575-4B52-AEC7-D8EC45C4CCF4@Cox.Net>

Hi all,

Probably something I'm doing wrong, but the following in an OpenCard  
handler doesn't do the job:

set the enable of button "Edit" of group "Coloring Book Menu Bar" of  
this cd to true

Initially, I tried it without the reference "of this cd", but it  
didn't work either.
Normally, this stack doesn't have a usable Edit Menu, but on some  
cards it will; hence the need to do this.

TIA,

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 13, 2007, at 10:59 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> I am a newcomer to Revolution and the list. I am making small drill
>> standalones for my computer lab. I have looked and searched for
>> instructions on how to make the standalone app display a custom made
>> icon, but can't seem to find it. I have created the icon files in
>> PhotoShop using IconBuilder.
>>
>> Is there a website anyone would recomend that addresses this or could
>> someone please help me with this.
>
> Hi Karen,
>
> Welcome to the Revolution!
>
> I don't use Photoshop so I can't give you any advice about it's
> plugin, but I use a shareware program called Iconographer (I see you
> are on a Mac): <http://www.mscape.com/products/iconographer.html>.
>
> Import your Photoshop icon or image into Iconographer, generate the
> mask if needed, then "Complete Icon" to fill in all the other sizes.
> If you save as a .icns file, that will work for Mac OS X applications.
> Save as a .ico file for Windows.
>
> In your stacks Standalone Settings, find the icons section for the
> particular platform and select the icon file you just saved. On OS X,
> when you build the app, it won' tlook as if it has the real icon. Copy
> the app to another folder or zip & unzip it to make the icon appear.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Sarah
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Mar 25 02:39:00 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 01:39:00 -0500
Subject: developing for Linux part 2
In-Reply-To: <200703241031.35858.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200703241031.35858.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20070325013900137138.49eaea83@sonsothunder.com>

On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:31:35 +0000, Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> I am conscious that this is all a bit high level, but its what has 
> struck me, and if it prompts others to write more detailed dos and don'ts, 
maybe 
> it will have helped.

Peter, this is EXACTLY what I was hoping you'd share. Although I was 
aware of some of it, I'd say that 75% of what you had to say between 
this post and Part 1 was new to me. And your comparison with the Rev 
program itself is very informative; I hope RunRev is paying attention 
as when they release the next Linux upgrade it would be great to take 
into account some of the things you've said.

If you have any more insights, please share them!

:-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 25 03:17:22 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 00:17:22 -0700
Subject: Enabling a Menu
In-Reply-To: <B79AF0B9-5575-4B52-AEC7-D8EC45C4CCF4@Cox.Net>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
	<B79AF0B9-5575-4B52-AEC7-D8EC45C4CCF4@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <E2C0D4DD-90AE-4E14-A01F-FB0734771A09@Cox.Net>

Well, I figured it out. You don't set "enable" to true. You set  
"disabled" to false.

Thanks, anyway,

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 24, 2007, at 11:11 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Probably something I'm doing wrong, but the following in an  
> OpenCard handler doesn't do the job:
>
> set the enable of button "Edit" of group "Coloring Book Menu Bar"  
> of this cd to true
>
> Initially, I tried it without the reference "of this cd", but it  
> didn't work either.
> Normally, this stack doesn't have a usable Edit Menu, but on some  
> cards it will; hence the need to do this.
>
> TIA,
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On Mar 13, 2007, at 10:59 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>
>>> I am a newcomer to Revolution and the list. I am making small drill
>>> standalones for my computer lab. I have looked and searched for
>>> instructions on how to make the standalone app display a custom made
>>> icon, but can't seem to find it. I have created the icon files in
>>> PhotoShop using IconBuilder.
>>>
>>> Is there a website anyone would recomend that addresses this or  
>>> could
>>> someone please help me with this.
>>
>> Hi Karen,
>>
>> Welcome to the Revolution!
>>
>> I don't use Photoshop so I can't give you any advice about it's
>> plugin, but I use a shareware program called Iconographer (I see you
>> are on a Mac): <http://www.mscape.com/products/iconographer.html>.
>>
>> Import your Photoshop icon or image into Iconographer, generate the
>> mask if needed, then "Complete Icon" to fill in all the other sizes.
>> If you save as a .icns file, that will work for Mac OS X  
>> applications.
>> Save as a .ico file for Windows.
>>
>> In your stacks Standalone Settings, find the icons section for the
>> particular platform and select the icon file you just saved. On OS X,
>> when you build the app, it won' tlook as if it has the real icon.  
>> Copy
>> the app to another folder or zip & unzip it to make the icon appear.
>>
>> Hope this helps,
>> Sarah
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 25 04:41:55 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:41:55 +0100
Subject: Enabling a Menu
In-Reply-To: <E2C0D4DD-90AE-4E14-A01F-FB0734771A09@Cox.Net>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
	<B79AF0B9-5575-4B52-AEC7-D8EC45C4CCF4@Cox.Net>
	<E2C0D4DD-90AE-4E14-A01F-FB0734771A09@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <DC547FBA-F7EC-491A-B56F-CC8DD81E4003@maseurope.net>

Joe, you can also <enable btn "Edit.....> and <disable btn "Edit...">

Best,

Mark

On 25 Mar 2007, at 08:17, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Well, I figured it out. You don't set "enable" to true. You set  
> "disabled" to false.
>
> Thanks, anyway,
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On Mar 24, 2007, at 11:11 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Probably something I'm doing wrong, but the following in an  
>> OpenCard handler doesn't do the job:
>>
>> set the enable of button "Edit" of group "Coloring Book Menu Bar"  
>> of this cd to true
>>
>> Initially, I tried it without the reference "of this cd", but it  
>> didn't work either.
>> Normally, this stack doesn't have a usable Edit Menu, but on some  
>> cards it will; hence the need to do this.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2007, at 10:59 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:
>>
>>>> I am a newcomer to Revolution and the list. I am making small drill
>>>> standalones for my computer lab. I have looked and searched for
>>>> instructions on how to make the standalone app display a custom  
>>>> made
>>>> icon, but can't seem to find it. I have created the icon files in
>>>> PhotoShop using IconBuilder.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a website anyone would recomend that addresses this or  
>>>> could
>>>> someone please help me with this.
>>>
>>> Hi Karen,
>>>
>>> Welcome to the Revolution!
>>>
>>> I don't use Photoshop so I can't give you any advice about it's
>>> plugin, but I use a shareware program called Iconographer (I see you
>>> are on a Mac): <http://www.mscape.com/products/iconographer.html>.
>>>
>>> Import your Photoshop icon or image into Iconographer, generate the
>>> mask if needed, then "Complete Icon" to fill in all the other sizes.
>>> If you save as a .icns file, that will work for Mac OS X  
>>> applications.
>>> Save as a .ico file for Windows.
>>>
>>> In your stacks Standalone Settings, find the icons section for the
>>> particular platform and select the icon file you just saved. On  
>>> OS X,
>>> when you build the app, it won' tlook as if it has the real icon.  
>>> Copy
>>> the app to another folder or zip & unzip it to make the icon appear.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Sarah
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From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Mar 25 05:05:25 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:05:25 +0100
Subject: Getting Fonts to display correctly in Linux
Message-ID: <200703251005.25213.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Jacque wrote:

>It would be great, if you know it, to hear whether there are any 
>universal fonts or font settings across distros. I think the font issue 
>is one of the biggest that cross-platform stack developers would need to 
>address.

___________________________________________

First, the way you check whether its going to work is, fire up the Rev IDE on 
the distro of your choice, create a field, put a word in it in 48 point, and 
then pick the various fonts the IDE offers.  If it displays correctly, you 
must be OK. 

When I do this on Debian, there are only two fonts that display properly at 
sizes over 24 point: Bitstream Charter and Courier 10point.  The behaviour 
Jacque reports occurs with the rest, you pick a too large font, and it 
defaults to 10 point.  It does this at very small sizes too by the way, 
defaulting upwards.

Now, this is almost certainly a peculiarity of Rev's interaction with the 
distro, not the distro itself or just Rev.  First because this installation 
has all the fonts that do not display properly.  Second because on a Mandriva 
2006 installation, using the IDE, all the fonts display fine.  Third because 
all fonts display properly in all other applications.

Ubuntu being Deb based in origin could be expected to have the same problem.  
I haven't been able to track down what it is due to.

The answer to the question, which fonts can you count for sure on having in a 
modern Linux distro is:

Bitstream Charter
Bitstream Vera family
Century Schoolbook
Luxi
Nimbus
URW Palladio
URW Bookman
URW Chancery
URW Gothic
Utopia

However, its a bit misleading, since the fact that they are installed does not 
mean that Rev can always get at them!

For more than you ever wanted to know on Linux fonts go to:

http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO/    which is where the above list came from.

But this is probably not going to help very much because its so Linux specific 
and not Rev specific.  

In the short term, I'd have a go restricting the app to Bitstream Charter and 
Courier 10pt and see if this helps.  And hope that the next release of the 
Linux engine, which presumably will mean a new release of the compilation 
function in the Mac and Windows 2.7/8 versions, will fix it.

Peter


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Mar 25 05:48:46 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:48:46 +0200
Subject: Enabling a Menu
In-Reply-To: <DC547FBA-F7EC-491A-B56F-CC8DD81E4003@maseurope.net>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
	<B79AF0B9-5575-4B52-AEC7-D8EC45C4CCF4@Cox.Net>
	<E2C0D4DD-90AE-4E14-A01F-FB0734771A09@Cox.Net>
	<DC547FBA-F7EC-491A-B56F-CC8DD81E4003@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <3595B58E-8AB6-4873-86EC-69A22DCF96B3@economy-x-talk.com>

As well as <set the enabled of btn "Edit" to true>

Mark

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Op 25-mrt-2007, om 10:41 heeft Mark Smith het volgende geschreven:

> Joe, you can also <enable btn "Edit.....> and <disable btn "Edit...">
>
> Best,
>
> Mark



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 25 10:50:31 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 07:50:31 -0700
Subject: Enabling a Menu
In-Reply-To: <3595B58E-8AB6-4873-86EC-69A22DCF96B3@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
	<B79AF0B9-5575-4B52-AEC7-D8EC45C4CCF4@Cox.Net>
	<E2C0D4DD-90AE-4E14-A01F-FB0734771A09@Cox.Net>
	<DC547FBA-F7EC-491A-B56F-CC8DD81E4003@maseurope.net>
	<3595B58E-8AB6-4873-86EC-69A22DCF96B3@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <F17099CC-5581-4A3F-86E4-5A695D30D7A9@Cox.Net>

Mark(s)!

As always, there are a variety of ways to do things, but you've got  
to get the syntax "exactly" right. My bone to pick with this is that  
my first attempt, which didn't work, didn't get caught by the script  
editor when I did as I usually do, hit the enter key twice, to close  
it. In most cases it picks up any errors the with the first one, but  
when I used enable, which didn't work later, it didn't. Hmn.

Thanks,

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 25, 2007, at 2:48 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> As well as <set the enabled of btn "Edit" to true>
>
> Mark
>
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>
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>
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> software. Download at http://www.salery.biz
>
> Op 25-mrt-2007, om 10:41 heeft Mark Smith het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Joe, you can also <enable btn "Edit.....> and <disable btn "Edit...">
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Mark
>
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From cszasz at mac.com  Sun Mar 25 12:03:51 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:03:51 -0400
Subject: Trouble with script
Message-ID: <D5224D73-AA98-4015-9EA6-DA6BD8A16D98@mac.com>

I have a project that requires one screen or one card to be exported  
as a RTF file. Since this is not possible at this time in Rev, I  
created a template in the Pages word processor of the card that I  
want to export and saved it as Template.rtf.  Then I use symbols such  
as a 1#, 2#, 3#,. etc.,  in the template for each occurrence of a  
score that will be inserted from Rev. I have 81 occurrences of  
scores. The following script does not work for one occurrence. The  
template.RTF file is in the same directory as my Rev stack file and I  
am using Rev 2.7.4 with OS 10.4.8. I added a field "new" to see what  
was going on in the script. Nothing appears in the field "new" when I  
run the handler.

on mouseUp
   put URL "file:template.rtf" into tRTFdata
   replace "#1" with the htmltext of field "vmiFld" in tRTFdata
   put tRTFdata into field "new"
end mouseUp

Any suggestions would be appreciated!

Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 25 12:10:40 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:10:40 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Making Movies ?
Message-ID: <841171.16838.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I recently uploaded (to RevOnline - ScreenSnap.rev -)
a fairly goofy stack that takes timed screenshots and
exports them to a folder . . . 

all very fine it its limited way . . .

HOWEVER . . .

it would be useful if those images could be combined
into a movie file

( that is extemely easy with programs such as
QuickTime Pro )

WITHIN Runtime Revolution . . .

and then . . . exported

Now, we all know that the good folks at Runtime
Revolution (the company) have stated that AUDIO and
MOVIE EXPORT are not on the cards (pun intended)
within the foreseable future.

So, I wonder about ANIMATED GIFS, especially as I
understand the GIF format is now in the public domain
(correct me if I'm wrong).

Come on, let's pull together!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Mar 25 12:17:38 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:17:38 +0200
Subject: Trouble with script
In-Reply-To: <D5224D73-AA98-4015-9EA6-DA6BD8A16D98@mac.com>
References: <D5224D73-AA98-4015-9EA6-DA6BD8A16D98@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F7F696F8-EFC5-482C-B290-226E5A801D5D@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Charles,

Docs are not clear enough about this I think.
Prefer something like this that treats url as a function:

local tDefaultFolder, tRTFdata
-----
put the defaultFolder into tDefaultFolder
set the itemDelimiter to slash
set the defaultFolder to item 1 to -2 of the filename of this stack &  
slash
-----
put url("file:template.rtf") into tRTFdata
-----
set the defaultFolder to tDefaultFolder
etc.

Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 25 mars 07 ? 18:03, Charles Szasz a ?crit :

> I have a project that requires one screen or one card to be  
> exported as a RTF file. Since this is not possible at this time in  
> Rev, I created a template in the Pages word processor of the card  
> that I want to export and saved it as Template.rtf.  Then I use  
> symbols such as a 1#, 2#, 3#,. etc.,  in the template for each  
> occurrence of a score that will be inserted from Rev. I have 81  
> occurrences of scores. The following script does not work for one  
> occurrence. The template.RTF file is in the same directory as my  
> Rev stack file and I am using Rev 2.7.4 with OS 10.4.8. I added a  
> field "new" to see what was going on in the script. Nothing appears  
> in the field "new" when I run the handler.
>
> on mouseUp
>   put URL "file:template.rtf" into tRTFdata
>   replace "#1" with the htmltext of field "vmiFld" in tRTFdata
>   put tRTFdata into field "new"
> end mouseUp
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated!
>
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com

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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 25 12:19:43 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:19:43 -0700
Subject: Enabling a Menu
In-Reply-To: <F17099CC-5581-4A3F-86E4-5A695D30D7A9@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C22BEF2F.4462F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/25/07 7:50 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> Mark(s)!
> 
> As always, there are a variety of ways to do things, but you've got
> to get the syntax "exactly" right. My bone to pick with this is that
> my first attempt, which didn't work, didn't get caught by the script
> editor when I did as I usually do, hit the enter key twice, to close
> it. In most cases it picks up any errors the with the first one, but
> when I used enable, which didn't work later, it didn't. Hmn.
> 
The difficulty with the script editor warning you is that in your original
script you *did* do something legal, you did set something... just not what
you wanted.

Because of custom properties, you can
set the jasper of button 1 to true
set the reverseEngines of button 1 to false
set the setToStun of button 1 to "some enchanted evening"

set the inabled of button 1 to true  --OK
set the enalbed of button 1 to true --OK

which stores data in the named custom properties, and is not an error.  The
script editor will have no way of knowing, thus misspelling properties of
any object will not produce a warning.

Not a bug, but a powerful feature that has a downside.

on mouseup
   add 1 to the clickCount of me
end mouseup
 --would tally the users click count in the same button.  You could make
this a property of all the buttons and then do the following...

repeat with x = 1 to the number of controls
    if word 1 of the name of control x is "button" then
        add the clickCount of control x to sumUserClicks
   end if
end repeat
put "User activity = " & sumUserClicks

Jim Ault
Las Vegas 





From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Sun Mar 25 12:20:47 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:20:47 +0100
Subject: Making Movies ?
In-Reply-To: <841171.16838.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <841171.16838.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <633BEFFE-6616-4ADC-B09A-077922FB7507@azurevision.co.uk>


On 25 Mar 2007, at 17:10, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> HOWEVER . . .
>
> it would be useful if those images could be combined
> into a movie file
>
> ( that is extemely easy with programs such as
> QuickTime Pro )
>
> WITHIN Runtime Revolution . . .
>
> and then . . . exported

Have a look at Trevor's QT external - with some playing around you  
can load up single frames in one player, select the duration needed  
for a single frame and paste it into a 'compilation' player, then  
export.

Ian


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Mar 25 12:29:06 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:29:06 +0200
Subject: Manipulating custom props (was Re: Enabling a Menu)
In-Reply-To: <C22BEF2F.4462F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C22BEF2F.4462F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4ABEE266-24D0-47F3-895C-2F88FCF5E9A0@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Jim,

> on mouseup
>    add 1 to the clickCount of me
> end mouseup

Would be great and simple!
But (and I know you know it :-), manipulating custom props needs to  
put them first into a variable:

local tClickCount
-----
put the clickCount of me into tClickCount
add 1 to tClickCount
set the clickCount of me to tClickCount

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Le 25 mars 07 ? 18:19, Jim Ault a ?crit :

> On 3/25/07 7:50 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>
>> Mark(s)!
>>
>> As always, there are a variety of ways to do things, but you've got
>> to get the syntax "exactly" right. My bone to pick with this is that
>> my first attempt, which didn't work, didn't get caught by the script
>> editor when I did as I usually do, hit the enter key twice, to close
>> it. In most cases it picks up any errors the with the first one, but
>> when I used enable, which didn't work later, it didn't. Hmn.
>>
> The difficulty with the script editor warning you is that in your  
> original
> script you *did* do something legal, you did set something... just  
> not what
> you wanted.
>
> Because of custom properties, you can
> set the jasper of button 1 to true
> set the reverseEngines of button 1 to false
> set the setToStun of button 1 to "some enchanted evening"
>
> set the inabled of button 1 to true  --OK
> set the enalbed of button 1 to true --OK
>
> which stores data in the named custom properties, and is not an  
> error.  The
> script editor will have no way of knowing, thus misspelling  
> properties of
> any object will not produce a warning.
>
> Not a bug, but a powerful feature that has a downside.
>
> on mouseup
>    add 1 to the clickCount of me
> end mouseup
>  --would tally the users click count in the same button.  You could  
> make
> this a property of all the buttons and then do the following...
>
> repeat with x = 1 to the number of controls
>     if word 1 of the name of control x is "button" then
>         add the clickCount of control x to sumUserClicks
>    end if
> end repeat
> put "User activity = " & sumUserClicks
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas

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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 25 12:36:46 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:36:46 -0700
Subject: Manipulating custom props (was Re: Enabling a Menu)
In-Reply-To: <4ABEE266-24D0-47F3-895C-2F88FCF5E9A0@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <C22BF32E.44633%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Yep, just typed and sent a little too fast.
Thanks

 Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/25/07 9:29 AM, "Eric Chatonet" <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com>
wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
>> on mouseup
>>    add 1 to the clickCount of me
>> end mouseup
> 
> Would be great and simple!
> But (and I know you know it :-), manipulating custom props needs to
> put them first into a variable:
> 
> local tClickCount
> -----
> put the clickCount of me into tClickCount
> add 1 to tClickCount
> set the clickCount of me to tClickCount
> 
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
> 
> Le 25 mars 07 ? 18:19, Jim Ault a ?crit :
> 
>> On 3/25/07 7:50 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Mark(s)!
>>> 
>>> As always, there are a variety of ways to do things, but you've got
>>> to get the syntax "exactly" right. My bone to pick with this is that
>>> my first attempt, which didn't work, didn't get caught by the script
>>> editor when I did as I usually do, hit the enter key twice, to close
>>> it. In most cases it picks up any errors the with the first one, but
>>> when I used enable, which didn't work later, it didn't. Hmn.
>>> 
>> The difficulty with the script editor warning you is that in your
>> original
>> script you *did* do something legal, you did set something... just
>> not what
>> you wanted.
>> 
>> Because of custom properties, you can
>> set the jasper of button 1 to true
>> set the reverseEngines of button 1 to false
>> set the setToStun of button 1 to "some enchanted evening"
>> 
>> set the inabled of button 1 to true  --OK
>> set the enalbed of button 1 to true --OK
>> 
>> which stores data in the named custom properties, and is not an
>> error.  The
>> script editor will have no way of knowing, thus misspelling
>> properties of
>> any object will not produce a warning.
>> 
>> Not a bug, but a powerful feature that has a downside.
>> 
>> on mouseup
>>    add 1 to the clickCount of me
>> end mouseup
>>  --would tally the users click count in the same button.  You could
>> make
>> this a property of all the buttons and then do the following...
>> 
>> repeat with x = 1 to the number of controls
>>     if word 1 of the name of control x is "button" then
>>         add the clickCount of control x to sumUserClicks
>>    end if
>> end repeat
>> put "User activity = " & sumUserClicks
>> 
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sun Mar 25 12:42:50 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:42:50 +0200
Subject: History of "Improved Image Resizing"
Message-ID: <4606A68A.3030601@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

The "engine change log" of version 2.8 had announced an improved image 
resizing algorithm as a new feature:

> Improved Image Resizing
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>   There are now three levels of image resize quality:
>     - normal: uses a 'nearest' filter - i.e. no interpolation
>     - good: uses a 'bilinear' filter - i.e. interpolation is done 
> between the four nearest pixels using bilinearity
>     - best: uses a 'bicubic' filter - i.e. interpolation is done using 
> cubic approximation from near pixels" etc.



Just found out while experimenting with enlarging and resizing images 
that this feature goes back to 2004 and was introduced with Revolution 
2.2 (engine version 2.6), but was curiously never documented.

I find this "resizequality" feature to be very powerful when the 
resizequality is set to "best", e.g. you could blow up the images of my 
"Preview Gallery" for the Imagedata Toolkit 3

<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/PreviewToolkit3.htm>

from their decreased size of 400x300 to full screensize (1280x960 in my 
case) with little loss of detail - of course inside Revolution or other 
photo tools that also use cubic approximation.

I will rewrite the script of button "stretch", menu option "enlarge --> 
choose segment" incorporating the resizequality feature. I amm not sure 
if I can manage it to put it into the announced version 3.
On the other hand, my present algorithms for enlargement of 1/4, 2/3, or 
3/4 of the area of the image to be enlarged are not too bad either. The 
scripts can be inspected.

--Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 25 12:44:00 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:44:00 -0700
Subject: Enabling a Menu
In-Reply-To: <C22BEF2F.4462F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C22BEF2F.4462F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7AC8F638-B2BD-4C15-AD35-2563B756AE9D@Cox.Net>

Thanks for the added info, Jim. I'm not 100% sure that I really like  
all of this added functionality, what with the attended downsides,  
but guess I don't have much of a choice.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 25, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> On 3/25/07 7:50 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>
>> Mark(s)!
>>
>> As always, there are a variety of ways to do things, but you've got
>> to get the syntax "exactly" right. My bone to pick with this is that
>> my first attempt, which didn't work, didn't get caught by the script
>> editor when I did as I usually do, hit the enter key twice, to close
>> it. In most cases it picks up any errors the with the first one, but
>> when I used enable, which didn't work later, it didn't. Hmn.
>>
> The difficulty with the script editor warning you is that in your  
> original
> script you *did* do something legal, you did set something... just  
> not what
> you wanted.
>
> Because of custom properties, you can
> set the jasper of button 1 to true
> set the reverseEngines of button 1 to false
> set the setToStun of button 1 to "some enchanted evening"
>
> set the inabled of button 1 to true  --OK
> set the enalbed of button 1 to true --OK
>
> which stores data in the named custom properties, and is not an  
> error.  The
> script editor will have no way of knowing, thus misspelling  
> properties of
> any object will not produce a warning.
>
> Not a bug, but a powerful feature that has a downside.
>
> on mouseup
>    add 1 to the clickCount of me
> end mouseup
>  --would tally the users click count in the same button.  You could  
> make
> this a property of all the buttons and then do the following...
>
> repeat with x = 1 to the number of controls
>     if word 1 of the name of control x is "button" then
>         add the clickCount of control x to sumUserClicks
>    end if
> end repeat
> put "User activity = " & sumUserClicks
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Mar 25 13:17:03 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:17:03 +0200
Subject: Making Movies ?
In-Reply-To: <633BEFFE-6616-4ADC-B09A-077922FB7507@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <841171.16838.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<633BEFFE-6616-4ADC-B09A-077922FB7507@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EBEA9A8B-4B8D-42C2-B047-89136202D99A@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Ian and Richmond,

Trevor's external is very cool. It works flawlessly on my Mac.  
However, it always crashes on my PC. I wonder whether it is my PC or  
the external and I would like to know about people who were or  
weren't able to create movies with the EnhancedQT external.

Best,

Mark

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Op 25-mrt-2007, om 18:20 heeft Ian Wood het volgende geschreven:

>
>
> Have a look at Trevor's QT external - with some playing around you  
> can load up single frames in one player, select the duration needed  
> for a single frame and paste it into a 'compilation' player, then  
> export.
>
> Ian




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 25 13:24:57 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:24:57 -0700
Subject: Manipulating custom props (was Re: Enabling a Menu)
In-Reply-To: <C22BF32E.44633%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C22BFE79.4463A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>


The syntax I like for updating/appending data to a custom property is

on mouseup
  set the the clickCount of me to (the clickCount of me +1)
end mouseup



On 3/25/07 9:36 AM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yep, just typed and sent a little too fast.
> Thanks
> 
>  Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
> 
> 
> On 3/25/07 9:29 AM, "Eric Chatonet" <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jim,
>> 
>>> on mouseup
>>>    add 1 to the clickCount of me
>>> end mouseup
>> 
>> Would be great and simple!
>> But (and I know you know it :-), manipulating custom props needs to
>> put them first into a variable:
>> 
>> local tClickCount
>> -----
>> put the clickCount of me into tClickCount
>> add 1 to tClickCount
>> set the clickCount of me to tClickCount
>> 
>> Best regards from Paris,
>> Eric Chatonet.




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 25 13:31:33 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:31:33 -0700
Subject: Enabling a Menu
In-Reply-To: <7AC8F638-B2BD-4C15-AD35-2563B756AE9D@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C22C0005.4463B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/25/07 9:44 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> Thanks for the added info, Jim. I'm not 100% sure that I really like
> all of this added functionality, what with the attended downsides,
> but guess I don't have much of a choice.
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 
Custom properties are very fast, powerful, and get saved with the stack.
Variables, such as globals and script locals, evaporate, and are not saved
with the stack.  Custom properties have even more power when done as custom
property 'sets'.

Think of custom properties as a table that can be stored inside an object
(like a button, card, stack).  The left column has the label (" cpUserName
", " cpUndoValue ", " cpPrevRect ") and the right column has the string that
is the value.

cpUserName "Paul"
cpUndoValue "Red"
cpPrevRect "34,56,788,675"

Now add the concept that you can have unlimited tables stored in a single
button, card, stack by naming the tables
-----copy script lines -----------
on mousedoubleup
  
  set the custompropertyset of this stack to "cpsPaulsData"
  set the cpUserName of this stack to "Paul"
  set the cpAge of this stack to "24"
  set the custompropertyset of this stack to "cpsMarysData"
  set the cpUserName of this stack to "Mary"
  set the cpAge of this stack to "unknown"
  save this stack  --does not work for standalones
  set the custompropertyset of this stack to "cpsPaulsData"
  answer "the user is "& the cpUserName of this stack  &  \
      " whose age is "& the cpAge of this stack
      
  set the custompropertyset of this stack to "cpsMarysData"
  answer "the user is "& the cpUserName of this stack  &  \
      " whose age is "& the cpAge of this stack

end mousedoubleup

---------end copy script lines

As you might have guessed, I use "cp" for my custom properties, and "cps"
for sets.

This is basically a flat file database that can be stored in any and all
objects.  Very powerful and it is instant access speed.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 25 13:36:10 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:36:10 -0500
Subject: Getting Fonts to display correctly in Linux
In-Reply-To: <200703251005.25213.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
References: <200703251005.25213.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4606B30A.8090505@hyperactivesw.com>

Peter Alcibiades wrote:

> When I do this on Debian, there are only two fonts that display properly at 
> sizes over 24 point: Bitstream Charter and Courier 10point.  The behaviour 
> Jacque reports occurs with the rest, you pick a too large font, and it 
> defaults to 10 point.  It does this at very small sizes too by the way, 
> defaulting upwards.
> 
> Now, this is almost certainly a peculiarity of Rev's interaction with the 
> distro, not the distro itself or just Rev. 

 From one of my boilerplate tech support responses, I know that fonts in 
Rev work with X11 fonts. If a font is not available, Rev searches for 
X11 "Helvetica". I don't know exactly what that means yet, but when I 
paste it into a reply, Linux users seem to. One of the changes planned 
for the unix engine, if I remember right, is to remove some of these old 
dependencies. Hopefully the font dependency will be one of them.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Sun Mar 25 13:39:23 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:39:23 +0200
Subject: Manipulating custom props (was Re: Enabling a Menu)
In-Reply-To: <C22BFE79.4463A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C22BFE79.4463A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C39D4FFD-B12D-48ED-9037-21D7E13B0174@sosmartsoftware.com>

Jim,

Of course you are right:
I just wanted, breaking it down, to point out the process principle  
for all :-)

Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 25 mars 07 ? 19:24, Jim Ault a ?crit :

>
> The syntax I like for updating/appending data to a custom property is
>
> on mouseup
>   set the the clickCount of me to (the clickCount of me +1)
> end mouseup
>
>
>
> On 3/25/07 9:36 AM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep, just typed and sent a little too fast.
>> Thanks
>>
>>  Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>>
>>
>> On 3/25/07 9:29 AM, "Eric Chatonet"  
>> <eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>>> on mouseup
>>>>    add 1 to the clickCount of me
>>>> end mouseup
>>>
>>> Would be great and simple!
>>> But (and I know you know it :-), manipulating custom props needs to
>>> put them first into a variable:
>>>
>>> local tClickCount
>>> -----
>>> put the clickCount of me into tClickCount
>>> add 1 to tClickCount
>>> set the clickCount of me to tClickCount manage your subscription  
>>> preferences:

----------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
----------------------------------------------------------------




From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 25 13:44:53 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:44:53 -0700
Subject: Enabling a Menu
In-Reply-To: <C22C0005.4463B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C22C0005.4463B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <32BF1F0B-93E1-4D0E-9AD9-1A82C1DB9812@Cox.Net>

Show off!  Just kidding, of course. Don't know when I'll ever get  
around to using this feature, but once I've digested it, I feel  
pretty sure that it's amazing qualities will hit me right between the  
eyes!

Thanks, Jim,

Joe Wilkins

> Custom properties are very fast, powerful, and get saved with the  
> stack.
> Variables, such as globals and script locals, evaporate, and are  
> not saved
> with the stack.  Custom properties have even more power when done  
> as custom
> property 'sets'.
>
> Think of custom properties as a table that can be stored inside an  
> object
> (like a button, card, stack).  The left column has the label ("  
> cpUserName
> ", " cpUndoValue ", " cpPrevRect ") and the right column has the  
> string that
> is the value.
>
> cpUserName "Paul"
> cpUndoValue "Red"
> cpPrevRect "34,56,788,675"
>
> Now add the concept that you can have unlimited tables stored in a  
> single
> button, card, stack by naming the tables
> -----copy script lines -----------
> on mousedoubleup
>
>   set the custompropertyset of this stack to "cpsPaulsData"
>   set the cpUserName of this stack to "Paul"
>   set the cpAge of this stack to "24"
>   set the custompropertyset of this stack to "cpsMarysData"
>   set the cpUserName of this stack to "Mary"
>   set the cpAge of this stack to "unknown"
>   save this stack  --does not work for standalones
>   set the custompropertyset of this stack to "cpsPaulsData"
>   answer "the user is "& the cpUserName of this stack  &  \
>       " whose age is "& the cpAge of this stack
>
>   set the custompropertyset of this stack to "cpsMarysData"
>   answer "the user is "& the cpUserName of this stack  &  \
>       " whose age is "& the cpAge of this stack
>
> end mousedoubleup
>
> ---------end copy script lines
>
> As you might have guessed, I use "cp" for my custom properties, and  
> "cps"
> for sets.
>
> This is basically a flat file database that can be stored in any  
> and all
> objects.  Very powerful and it is instant access speed.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 25 14:29:54 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 11:29:54 -0700
Subject: Edit Menu
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2876A37C-A65F-436E-A097-23985D039B4D@Cox.Net>

Do we have to implement each of the items in the Edit Menu? I thought  
basic text editing was automatic with the enabling of the Edit Menu. No?

TIA,

Joe Wilkins


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 25 14:29:35 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 13:29:35 -0500
Subject: Enabling a Menu
In-Reply-To: <32BF1F0B-93E1-4D0E-9AD9-1A82C1DB9812@Cox.Net>
References: <C22C0005.4463B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<32BF1F0B-93E1-4D0E-9AD9-1A82C1DB9812@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <4606BF8F.50303@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Show off!  Just kidding, of course. Don't know when I'll ever get around 
> to using this feature, but once I've digested it, I feel pretty sure 
> that it's amazing qualities will hit me right between the eyes!

Not only that, but you will almost never use a global variable again. ;)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Sun Mar 25 14:56:10 2007
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell K3NC)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:56:10 -0400
Subject: transitions in rev?
Message-ID: <C1C30807-A77E-44F7-962B-F4F43EDDA1DB@gmail.com>

I am writing my first large program in rev and would love to have the  
ability to have windows fade out like in powerpoint transitions. Is  
there any easy way to do it (if not, I have other problems to solve  
before this pig can sing!)

Thanks
Neal Campbell


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Mar 25 15:06:14 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:06:14 +0200
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <C1C30807-A77E-44F7-962B-F4F43EDDA1DB@gmail.com>
References: <C1C30807-A77E-44F7-962B-F4F43EDDA1DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B761FF5B-825F-4F7B-86A1-185F33528A71@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Neal,

Does this work for you?

visual effect dissolve
go next cd

Best,

Mark

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Op 25-mrt-2007, om 20:56 heeft Neal Campbell K3NC het volgende  
geschreven:

> I am writing my first large program in rev and would love to have  
> the ability to have windows fade out like in powerpoint  
> transitions. Is there any easy way to do it (if not, I have other  
> problems to solve before this pig can sing!)
>
> Thanks
> Neal Campbell



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 25 15:16:51 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:16:51 -0700
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <B761FF5B-825F-4F7B-86A1-185F33528A71@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <C1C30807-A77E-44F7-962B-F4F43EDDA1DB@gmail.com>
	<B761FF5B-825F-4F7B-86A1-185F33528A71@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <52F21D46-A70C-4782-AFF3-84EED2F6F6CC@Cox.Net>

While we're talking about visual effects and PP presentations, I'm  
going to have to put together one shortly and rather than use either  
PP or the Mac equivalent, which I don't have right now, I'm thinking  
about the ease with which I can do a Rev stack/stand alone. My  
question is whether, if you've got a lot of photos, it makes more  
sense to create a card for each one, or just change the image being  
displayed on a few different cards using external jpg files. I'm  
inclined to do the former, but I have a hunch the later might be  
easier to manage. Downsides to doing either? I suspect the cards will  
probably be faster in execution. Maybe a lot faster, but...

TIA,

Joe Wilkins


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 25 15:50:28 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:50:28 -0700
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <52F21D46-A70C-4782-AFF3-84EED2F6F6CC@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C22C2094.44647%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/25/07 12:16 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> While we're talking about visual effects and PP presentations, I'm
> going to have to put together one shortly and rather than use either
> PP or the Mac equivalent, which I don't have right now, I'm thinking
> about the ease with which I can do a Rev stack/stand alone. My
> question is whether, if you've got a lot of photos, it makes more
> sense to create a card for each one, or just change the image being
> displayed on a few different cards using external jpg files. I'm
> inclined to do the former, but I have a hunch the later might be
> easier to manage. Downsides to doing either? I suspect the cards will
> probably be faster in execution. Maybe a lot faster, but...
> I suspect you will be heading in the direction of

set the filename of image mainHolder
set the blendlevel of image mainHolder  to 0 --full alpha
repeat
   set the blendlevel of image mainHolder  to less --full alpha
end repeat

and using tricks that "always buffer" and do work off screen.
I have not done this but it has been discussed in the archives.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From revolution at derbrill.de  Sun Mar 25 15:56:07 2007
From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 21:56:07 +0200
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <20070128180005.664BB488F74@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070128180005.664BB488F74@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6F9D4B48-8E3A-434F-87B4-7FA7FE3ED494@derbrill.de>

Hi Neal,

as Mark wrote before, you might use visual effect. However that  
really depends on Quicktime being present on the system your  
presentation is being viewed on. If Quicktime is not installed, Rev  
falls back to a much weaker internal implementation that looks all  
grainy. However, since version 2.7 we have the ability to set the  
blendlevel of any object, which allows to script nice composed  
blending effects that do look the same on all systems. Really rocks. :-)

Hope that helps,

Malte


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 25 17:13:27 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:13:27 -0700
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <6F9D4B48-8E3A-434F-87B4-7FA7FE3ED494@derbrill.de>
References: <20070128180005.664BB488F74@mail.runrev.com>
	<6F9D4B48-8E3A-434F-87B4-7FA7FE3ED494@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <042A67A9-75C0-4FC5-B23E-9DD7DCA30993@Cox.Net>

Is there a way that we can check to see whether QT is installed; both  
Windows and MacOS?

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 25, 2007, at 12:56 PM, Malte Brill wrote:

> Hi Neal,
>
> as Mark wrote before, you might use visual effect. However that  
> really depends on Quicktime being present on the system your  
> presentation is being viewed on. If Quicktime is not installed, Rev  
> falls back to a much weaker internal implementation that looks all  
> grainy. However, since version 2.7 we have the ability to set the  
> blendlevel of any object, which allows to script nice composed  
> blending effects that do look the same on all systems. Really  
> rocks. :-)
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Malte
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From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de  Sun Mar 25 17:30:27 2007
From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:30:27 +0200
Subject: [ANN] "Imagedata Toolkit Preview 3" released
Message-ID: <4606E9F3.3010702@hrz.uni-kassel.de>

I have just uploaded the interim version "Imagedata Toolkit Preview 3" to

<http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImagedataToolkitPreview3.zip> .

This is the version with which the images of  the "Preview Gallery"

<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/PreviewToolkit3.htm>

were created.

The Windows external "convolve.dll" (by Derek Bump) for the 3x3-matrix f 
ilters is included in the zip-file. Windows user must place this 
external in the same folder with MC. exe or Revolution.exe. For the time 
being the fastest performance of the toolkit  is possible with Rev 
engine 2.6.1 (engine and Metacard version 2.6.6) and inside the Metacard 
IDE.
The present announcements of members of the Rev team lend hope to the 
perspective that the performance of coming Rev versions (engine and IDE) 
concerning image processing will soon and anew reach the level it had 
already reached two years ago.--

Changes in version "Preview 3":

The option to experiment with 5x5 matrix filters (you can still use 
"hybrid matrices") has been abandoned. I intend to re-introduce this 
possibility once an external for this is available.

While the focus of the "imagedata toolkit 2" was on "hues", toolkit 3 
concentrates both on median-despeckle filters and the distortion and 
deformation of images to achieve various kinds of "painting" effects. 
Both filter categories have to be used in conjunction to produce such 
effects.

A recommended sequence to achieve painting-like effects is to first use 
a despeckle-median filter once or twice and then apply a matrix filter, 
especially one of the lithography or smear filters.
Another sequence would be to first use one of the noise or distortion 
filters and then smooth the resulting image with despeckle-median 
filters before applying any matrix filter.
There are 13 such median-despeckle filters, the most powerful of them is 
"despeckle extreme", which does not only remove noise, but also minor 
details, thus achieving larger color areas in an image. The two "simple" 
despeckle filters work with only four pixels, but they safely remove 
one-pixel noise, as do all other median filters. You can easily test 
this: 1. Choose a sample image; 2. Apply "add noise" from button "jitter 
and noise"; 3. Remove the one-pixel noise using one of the "simple" 
despeckle filters.

The script button "cross-type median 5X5" contains a description of the 
structure and algorithms of this filter as a comment. This description, 
which I found in the net, was the basis and starting point for my 
experiments with median filters.

I have discarded the "Kuwahara" filter of "Imagedata Toolkit 2". While 
it was a fine exercise to port this known filter to Revolution, it was 
really the slowest of my adapted scripted filters and much less powerful 
than my "despeckle extreme" filter, which is also 3 times faster.

The distortion/deformation filters comprise:

- various kinds of multi-pixel noise
- solid and blended rects of different sizes
- the dissolution of images by shapes of various sizes (ovals, 
rectangles, regular polynoms - triangles, rectangles, pentagons -, and 
the application of this dissolution either at random or in a systematic 
fashion - dissolving the image with vertical columns of shapes.

Other improvements of interim version 3:

- the "remove border" filters which are connected with all 3X3-matrix 
and hybrid-matrix filters have been improved.

- the slight color shift when using the "jitter" filter has been fixed 
(there was a one-char typo)

- a "wet paint" filter has been added to "jitter and noise"

- the scripted "blur" filters (as opposed to matrix filters) now 
comprise "progressive blurs" with pixel distances vertically and 
horizontally from 2 to 8 and for "extreme blurs" with pixel distances 
from 10 to 60. These blur filters with their precise and powerful 
effects are genuinely new and nowhere else to be found.

- a "venetian mirror" option has been added under "mirrors": reflections 
of any size can be added inside the images horizontally and/or 
vertically, which also provides the possibility to produce 
kaleidoskop-like pictures.

- special "max" and "min" effects have been added as a variation of the 
despeckle-median filters (using the median algorithms, but substituting 
the median function by minimum and maximum), which then need another - 
despeckle or lithography - filter to achieve worth-while effects.

- there are additions to "thresholds" and "grid overlays".

- images can be exported both as JPEG and PNG.--

The final "Imagedata Toolkit 3", which probably will be released in a 
month, will also have the following additional features:

- adding horizontal, vertical, and diagonal "gradient noise"

- replacing colors: selecting a color-to-be-replaced by clicking on the 
image and choosing a replace-color by either also clicking on the image 
or a color wheel. This color replacement can be implemented for a 
specific color or a selected color range with the additional option to 
choose a computed gray-average as the basis for replacement

- simplifying colors: similar procedure as above: the selected color 
will replace a defined color range
?
- adding transparency to selected areas of an image, implemented also in 
a similar fashion as with replacing and simplifying colors (see above). 
As the one of the main features of the Imagedata Toolkit are two 
superimposed images, the underlying image will appear in the transparent 
areas, thus producing a new image that can then be saved or exported as 
a new non-transparent image.-

The old "Imagedata Toolkit 2" is still available at

<http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImagedataToolkit.zip>

Regards,

Wilhelm Sanke
<http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia>



From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sun Mar 25 17:33:03 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:33:03 +0200
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <042A67A9-75C0-4FC5-B23E-9DD7DCA30993@Cox.Net>
References: <20070128180005.664BB488F74@mail.runrev.com>
	<6F9D4B48-8E3A-434F-87B4-7FA7FE3ED494@derbrill.de>
	<042A67A9-75C0-4FC5-B23E-9DD7DCA30993@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <89EAE6DA-3DD2-4C5A-8D54-EA3EB2DF0FFB@economy-x-talk.com>

Yes, Joe, check the QTVersion function.

Best,

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
http://www.salery.biz

Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software.  
Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 25-mrt-2007, om 23:13 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende  
geschreven:

> Is there a way that we can check to see whether QT is installed;  
> both Windows and MacOS?
>
> Joe Wilkins



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 25 17:38:10 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 14:38:10 -0700
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <89EAE6DA-3DD2-4C5A-8D54-EA3EB2DF0FFB@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <20070128180005.664BB488F74@mail.runrev.com>
	<6F9D4B48-8E3A-434F-87B4-7FA7FE3ED494@derbrill.de>
	<042A67A9-75C0-4FC5-B23E-9DD7DCA30993@Cox.Net>
	<89EAE6DA-3DD2-4C5A-8D54-EA3EB2DF0FFB@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <60C8BB48-A4CF-44DC-9A22-77250884BEF2@Cox.Net>

Thanks, Mark. In fact everyone. I'm sorry for being such a pest with  
things I could probably search to discover, but I'm having a lot of  
trouble with my eyes these days and most of the documentation is  
written in really small text. Changing the screen resolution so that  
I can read things easier is a real nuisance in terms of the other  
things that are affected.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 25, 2007, at 2:33 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Yes, Joe, check the QTVersion function.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> --
>
> Economy-x-Talk
> Consultancy and Software Engineering
> http://economy-x-talk.com
> http://www.salery.biz
>
> Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store  
> software. Download at http://www.salery.biz
>
> Op 25-mrt-2007, om 23:13 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende  
> geschreven:
>
>> Is there a way that we can check to see whether QT is installed;  
>> both Windows and MacOS?
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>
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From nealk3nc at gmail.com  Sun Mar 25 17:56:08 2007
From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:56:08 -0400
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <6F9D4B48-8E3A-434F-87B4-7FA7FE3ED494@derbrill.de>
References: <20070128180005.664BB488F74@mail.runrev.com>
	<6F9D4B48-8E3A-434F-87B4-7FA7FE3ED494@derbrill.de>
Message-ID: <325413300703251456r38bd48edqf1a2abf78b108fcd@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/25/07, Malte Brill <revolution at derbrill.de> wrote:
>
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Malte



Hi al

Thanks so much for the guidance and sorry if its been discussed before! This
is going to be mainly Mac oriented but possibly linux in the future
(definitely not windows). I will play around and see how it works!

This is truly fun and fast!

Neal


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Mar 25 19:34:02 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:34:02 +1000
Subject: Edit Menu
In-Reply-To: <2876A37C-A65F-436E-A097-23985D039B4D@Cox.Net>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
	<2876A37C-A65F-436E-A097-23985D039B4D@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703251634r328d9533s43851378b663a461@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/26/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
> Do we have to implement each of the items in the Edit Menu? I thought
> basic text editing was automatic with the enabling of the Edit Menu. No?

When you make a menu using the Menu Builder, it includes an Edit menu
with the default items (Cut, Copy, Paste etc). If you then use
"Auto-script", you get the shell for the menuPick handler but it does
not include the actual commands.

I have a standard Edit menu script that I put into the script of any
Edit menu. Here it is if you would like to use/modify it.

Cheers,
Sarah


on menuPick pWhich
  switch pWhich
  case "Undo"
    undo
    break
  case "Cut"
    cut
    break
  case "Copy"
    copy
    break
  case "Paste"
    paste
    break
  case "Clear"
    put empty into the selection
    break
  case "Select All"
    put the focusedObject into tID
    if tID contains "field" then
      select text in tID
    end if
    break
  case "Preferences..."
  case "Preferences"
    go to stack "Prefs"
    break
  end switch
end menuPick


From cszasz at mac.com  Sun Mar 25 19:46:18 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 19:46:18 -0400
Subject: Trouble with script
Message-ID: <05E6348E-7819-414A-8CD3-B27E097CF996@mac.com>

Thanks to Eric and everybody else, especially Sarah Reichelt, who  
help me with my scripting problem. The script now works but  
unfortunately the RTF template file becomes a text file when Rev  
saves it after replacing the placeholders for the data from a Rev file.


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 25 20:35:43 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 17:35:43 -0700
Subject: Edit Menu
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703251634r328d9533s43851378b663a461@mail.gmail.com>
References: <EFBB6A4D-B7E1-4B85-900F-1F25A7817A3C@insightbb.com>
	<f99b52860703132259y5d2b4214t7bdbcf90704bc385@mail.gmail.com>
	<2876A37C-A65F-436E-A097-23985D039B4D@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703251634r328d9533s43851378b663a461@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D483F945-5D8F-4ED3-831B-182F2D335842@Cox.Net>

Hi Sarah,

Thanks a lot. Seems they could carry the Auto-script a little bit  
further, but to a certain extent I suppose they have (kind of)!

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 25, 2007, at 4:34 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> On 3/26/07, Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at cox.net> wrote:
>> Do we have to implement each of the items in the Edit Menu? I thought
>> basic text editing was automatic with the enabling of the Edit  
>> Menu. No?
>
> When you make a menu using the Menu Builder, it includes an Edit menu
> with the default items (Cut, Copy, Paste etc). If you then use
> "Auto-script", you get the shell for the menuPick handler but it does
> not include the actual commands.
>
> I have a standard Edit menu script that I put into the script of any
> Edit menu. Here it is if you would like to use/modify it.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
>
> on menuPick pWhich
>  switch pWhich
>  case "Undo"
>    undo
>    break
>  case "Cut"
>    cut
>    break
>  case "Copy"
>    copy
>    break
>  case "Paste"
>    paste
>    break
>  case "Clear"
>    put empty into the selection
>    break
>  case "Select All"
>    put the focusedObject into tID
>    if tID contains "field" then
>      select text in tID
>    end if
>    break
>  case "Preferences..."
>  case "Preferences"
>    go to stack "Prefs"
>    break
>  end switch
> end menuPick
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From mark at maseurope.net  Sun Mar 25 20:49:11 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:49:11 +0100
Subject: Trouble with script
In-Reply-To: <05E6348E-7819-414A-8CD3-B27E097CF996@mac.com>
References: <05E6348E-7819-414A-8CD3-B27E097CF996@mac.com>
Message-ID: <231FE670-665C-4EF8-8131-A77FA540452B@maseurope.net>

Charles, if you use 'binfile' to read and write the file, it should  
remain a .rtf.

So

put URL ("binfile:" & tFileName) into tRtfData
modify the data...
put tRtfData into URL ("binfile:" & tFileName)


Best,

Mark

On 26 Mar 2007, at 00:46, Charles Szasz wrote:

> Thanks to Eric and everybody else, especially Sarah Reichelt, who  
> help me with my scripting problem. The script now works but  
> unfortunately the RTF template file becomes a text file when Rev  
> saves it after replacing the placeholders for the data from a Rev  
> file.
>
>
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com
>
>
>
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Sun Mar 25 21:18:41 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:18:41 +1000
Subject: Trouble with script
In-Reply-To: <05E6348E-7819-414A-8CD3-B27E097CF996@mac.com>
References: <05E6348E-7819-414A-8CD3-B27E097CF996@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703251818n1bf3bbbfgb8ca335f71111ec@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/26/07, Charles Szasz <cszasz at mac.com> wrote:
> Thanks to Eric and everybody else, especially Sarah Reichelt, who
> help me with my scripting problem. The script now works but
> unfortunately the RTF template file becomes a text file when Rev
> saves it after replacing the placeholders for the data from a Rev file.


When you say it becomes a text file, what exactly do you mean? Does it
lose all the RTF info or does the icon just look like a plain text
file icon? If it is the icon, then it may be because the default
fileType for Mac files saved by Revolution is text. If you set the
fileType to empty before saving, OS X will work out what to make the
icon look like based on the file extension, not the file type.

Cheers,
Sarah


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 25 21:38:57 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:38:57 -0700
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <60C8BB48-A4CF-44DC-9A22-77250884BEF2@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C22C7241.4465D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>



On 3/25/07 2:38 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> Thanks, Mark. In fact everyone. I'm sorry for being such a pest with
> things I could probably search to discover, but I'm having a lot of
> trouble with my eyes these days and most of the documentation is
> written in really small text. Changing the screen resolution so that
> I can read things easier is a real nuisance in terms of the other
> things that are affected.
> 
If you are using OSX, go to System Preferences: Universal Access control
panel

click ON the Zoom feature
then note the keyboard shortcuts opt-cmd (=) and opt-cmd  (-)

Now click on  the options button, set the max zoom to 2 or 3, leave the min
zoom on 0

now move your cursor over the spot you would like to zoom in on and you are
in and out without having to change resolutions..

Not perfect, but handy.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
            




From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 25 21:41:29 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:41:29 -0700
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <C22C7241.4465D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C22C7241.4465D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DD9C50AE-235B-447B-98EB-B7A8365E034A@Cox.Net>

I use the cmd/+ and cmd/- for internet stuff, but I didn't realize it  
works on other applications as well. I'll give it a try. Thanks.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 25, 2007, at 6:38 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

>
>
> On 3/25/07 2:38 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Mark. In fact everyone. I'm sorry for being such a pest with
>> things I could probably search to discover, but I'm having a lot of
>> trouble with my eyes these days and most of the documentation is
>> written in really small text. Changing the screen resolution so that
>> I can read things easier is a real nuisance in terms of the other
>> things that are affected.
>>
> If you are using OSX, go to System Preferences: Universal Access  
> control
> panel
>
> click ON the Zoom feature
> then note the keyboard shortcuts opt-cmd (=) and opt-cmd  (-)
>
> Now click on  the options button, set the max zoom to 2 or 3, leave  
> the min
> zoom on 0
>
> now move your cursor over the spot you would like to zoom in on and  
> you are
> in and out without having to change resolutions..
>
> Not perfect, but handy.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 25 21:50:25 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 18:50:25 -0700
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <C22C7241.4465D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C22C7241.4465D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4F2B9331-64F2-4330-83F9-9D79ED5D1977@Cox.Net>

Works great, Jim! It is a bit of a hassle, but not nearly as bad as  
my straining to read the fine print with my nose to the screen.

Thanks a bunch, ain't Macs great! (I know, I'll hear they've had that  
feature on Windows since the days of DOS. Fat chance!)

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 25, 2007, at 6:38 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

>
>
> On 3/25/07 2:38 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Mark. In fact everyone. I'm sorry for being such a pest with
>> things I could probably search to discover, but I'm having a lot of
>> trouble with my eyes these days and most of the documentation is
>> written in really small text. Changing the screen resolution so that
>> I can read things easier is a real nuisance in terms of the other
>> things that are affected.
>>
> If you are using OSX, go to System Preferences: Universal Access  
> control
> panel
>
> click ON the Zoom feature
> then note the keyboard shortcuts opt-cmd (=) and opt-cmd  (-)
>
> Now click on  the options button, set the max zoom to 2 or 3, leave  
> the min
> zoom on 0
>
> now move your cursor over the spot you would like to zoom in on and  
> you are
> in and out without having to change resolutions..
>
> Not perfect, but handy.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
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From linux at flippingdades.com  Sun Mar 25 11:55:43 2007
From: linux at flippingdades.com (Don Jungk)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 09:55:43 -0600
Subject: Family punchups
In-Reply-To: <0D196DD2-4E29-48B0-92F3-2CB61FAB462E@byu.edu>
References: <360519.56657.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<0D196DD2-4E29-48B0-92F3-2CB61FAB462E@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <200703250955.43982.linux@flippingdades.com>

On Friday 23 March 2007 4:02 pm, Devin Asay wrote:

> And while we're at it...
>
> I should be able to drive on whatever bl***y side of the street I
> want to.
> I want to be surprised when I turn on one of the water faucets in the
> shower.
> I don't care if the > button on my video player goes forward,
> backward, stops or records.
> I should be able to say "Goodbye" when I answer the phone and expect
> the person on the other end not to be confused.
> I want my mouse cursor to move to the right when I move it away from me.
>
> ;-)
This is completely off-topic, but I live in Southern Mexico and:
the people here do drive on whatever part of the road (shoulder, sidewalk, 
patio, etc.) that they want.
It's always a surprise when we turn on the faucet (there may be water) (and 
the cold water may be hot if the sun is out)
It's common (and not considered rude) to greet people with "Adios" If you're 
too busy to talk. Nobody is confused.

:)
Don Jungk


From linux at flippingdades.com  Sun Mar 25 12:51:41 2007
From: linux at flippingdades.com (Don Jungk)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 10:51:41 -0600
Subject: [off-topic] spreadsheet for MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <46051ED4.000001.00716@MAZYTIS>
References: <200703241147.16707.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<46051ED4.000001.00716@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <200703251051.41512.linux@flippingdades.com>

On Saturday 24 March 2007 6:51 am, Viktoras Didziulis wrote:

> Could you please let me know what open source or proprietary spreadsheet
> software do you usually use on your Macintoshes ? Do not mention Microsoft,
> I already know this, now looking for cheaper alternatives. Thanks for any
> advice!
>

Hi Viktoras,
You might take a look at SoftMaker's Office suite.

http://www.softmaker.net

I have not run it on Macintosh, but I have used their products on Linux and 
they are Far Far better than OpenOffice. Much faster opening, scrolling, 
everything. I think it is around $80 US for the word procedssor and 
spreadsheet combination. They had a special price that ended last week, so 
I'm not sure now.

Don


From cszasz at mac.com  Sun Mar 25 23:25:19 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:25:19 -0400
Subject: Trouble with script
Message-ID: <B51947DE-2567-4749-A3B7-133AFA72DC7D@mac.com>

The file's icon is a generic icon and when you click on Information,  
it does not list the extension. It is retaining the formating! The  
problem I have now is that the "placeholders" I am using such as 1#,  
2#, #3, etc.,  worked for the first seven placeholders but they are  
giving me weird results for the result of the placeholders. I figure  
that the values reported for the placeholders must be related to RTF  
values. I have been experienceing with different symbols and numbers  
for the placeholders but so far they continue to give weird results.


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Mar 25 23:40:40 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:40:40 -0500
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <4F2B9331-64F2-4330-83F9-9D79ED5D1977@Cox.Net>
References: <C22C7241.4465D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<4F2B9331-64F2-4330-83F9-9D79ED5D1977@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <460740B8.707@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Works great, Jim! It is a bit of a hassle, but not nearly as bad as my 
> straining to read the fine print with my nose to the screen.

Or if you have a Mighty Mouse and Tiger, you can hold down the Command 
key and use the scroll wheel to increase the magnification.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sun Mar 25 23:52:38 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:52:38 -0700
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <460740B8.707@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C22C7241.4465D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<4F2B9331-64F2-4330-83F9-9D79ED5D1977@Cox.Net>
	<460740B8.707@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AACB90D9-12AB-4F5C-BE1D-48806EADBA93@Cox.Net>

Thanks, Jacque. Will wonders never cease! Guess I'll have to get a  
Mighty Mouse with my next Mac, or sooner.

Incidentally, I just tried to create a Classic Stand alone and it  
said that this WILL be available with 2.8. I thought that is what I'm  
using now. What's up?

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 25, 2007, at 8:40 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> Works great, Jim! It is a bit of a hassle, but not nearly as bad  
>> as my straining to read the fine print with my nose to the screen.
>
> Or if you have a Mighty Mouse and Tiger, you can hold down the  
> Command key and use the scroll wheel to increase the magnification.
>
> -- 
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From cszasz at mac.com  Mon Mar 26 00:23:54 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 00:23:54 -0400
Subject: Trouble with Script
Message-ID: <3A5A5C4F-F228-4B9A-A1F7-7295908BC64D@mac.com>

I finally worked out my placeholder problem by enclosing numbers in  
parenthesis. Again, thanks to everyone who helped me on this problem!!


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From geradamas at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 26 02:57:24 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:57:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Beating the Linux sound format drum !
Message-ID: <286202.67218.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

At the risk of becoming extremely boring:-

Is proviso being made in 2.9 for Open Source sound
file formats?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From tominjapan at excite.com  Mon Mar 26 05:17:05 2007
From: tominjapan at excite.com (Thomas McCarthy)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 05:17:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: alt Browser: Get selected text cross platform issue
Message-ID: <20070326091705.8B9228B34D@xprdmxin.myway.com>


On my Mac this function works well:
 set the htmltext of fld _selected to XBrowser_Get ("selected")

But on my Windows XP box, unusual characters don't get displayed. (Japanese worked in the demo stack)

Here is one such character: hodi? (the last char should have a circumflex over it)

When the selected text is returned from alt browser, it's "normalized" and the special details (circumflex, etc.) are removed.

Again, this is only an issue with Windows XP. Any thoughts?

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From revlist at azurevision.co.uk  Mon Mar 26 06:31:41 2007
From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:31:41 +0100
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <460740B8.707@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C22C7241.4465D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<4F2B9331-64F2-4330-83F9-9D79ED5D1977@Cox.Net>
	<460740B8.707@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <AD3D3BC2-3534-421B-A720-05A118FDEC20@azurevision.co.uk>

On 26 Mar 2007, at 04:40, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Or if you have a Mighty Mouse and Tiger, you can hold down the  
> Command key and use the scroll wheel to increase the magnification.

It works with *any* scrollwheel - including two-finger scrolling on  
newer trackpads. ;-) Oh, and it's Control not Command...

*Very* handy for presentations/demos/workshops.

Ian




From jamesjrichards at lineone.net  Mon Mar 26 07:28:50 2007
From: jamesjrichards at lineone.net (James Richards)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:28:50 +0100
Subject: [off-topic] spreadsheet for MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <200703251051.41512.linux@flippingdades.com>
References: <200703241147.16707.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>
	<46051ED4.000001.00716@MAZYTIS>
	<200703251051.41512.linux@flippingdades.com>
Message-ID: <f36d7da9c3b52134bb465f74f3102b56@lineone.net>

But it doesn't run natively on OSX

Regards

James
--
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jamesjrichards at lineone.net

Tel. +44 (0)15394 43063
On 25 Mar, 2007, at 17:51, Don Jungk wrote:

> Hi Viktoras,
> You might take a look at SoftMaker's Office suite.
>
> http://www.softmaker.net

From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Mon Mar 26 10:26:53 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 07:26:53 -0700
Subject: Making Movies ?
In-Reply-To: <EBEA9A8B-4B8D-42C2-B047-89136202D99A@economy-x-talk.com>
References: <841171.16838.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<633BEFFE-6616-4ADC-B09A-077922FB7507@azurevision.co.uk>
	<EBEA9A8B-4B8D-42C2-B047-89136202D99A@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <654EDA16-A1CC-4036-919C-17FCDD92E50B@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 25, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:

> Trevor's external is very cool. It works flawlessly on my Mac.  
> However, it always crashes on my PC. I wonder whether it is my PC  
> or the external and I would like to know about people who were or  
> weren't able to create movies with the EnhancedQT external.

You are welcome to send me a test stack that crashes and I could let  
you know what was causing it.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Mon Mar 26 10:37:25 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:37:25 +0200
Subject: Making Movies ?
In-Reply-To: <654EDA16-A1CC-4036-919C-17FCDD92E50B@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <841171.16838.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<633BEFFE-6616-4ADC-B09A-077922FB7507@azurevision.co.uk>
	<EBEA9A8B-4B8D-42C2-B047-89136202D99A@economy-x-talk.com>
	<654EDA16-A1CC-4036-919C-17FCDD92E50B@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <18D11D37-83E4-4C0D-BD4E-41D1DF0512E6@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Trevor,

I'll write you off-list.

Best,

Mark

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Op 26-mrt-2007, om 16:26 heeft Trevor DeVore het volgende geschreven:

>
> You are welcome to send me a test stack that crashes and I could  
> let you know what was causing it.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 26 11:23:02 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:23:02 -0500
Subject: transitions in rev?
In-Reply-To: <AD3D3BC2-3534-421B-A720-05A118FDEC20@azurevision.co.uk>
References: <C22C7241.4465D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>	<4F2B9331-64F2-4330-83F9-9D79ED5D1977@Cox.Net>	<460740B8.707@hyperactivesw.com>
	<AD3D3BC2-3534-421B-A720-05A118FDEC20@azurevision.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4607E556.4030106@hyperactivesw.com>

Ian Wood wrote:
> On 26 Mar 2007, at 04:40, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> Or if you have a Mighty Mouse and Tiger, you can hold down the Command 
>> key and use the scroll wheel to increase the magnification.
> 
> It works with *any* scrollwheel - including two-finger scrolling on 
> newer trackpads. ;-) Oh, and it's Control not Command...

Really? It's Command here. Control does nothing. Wait a sec -- I see 
now. It is settable in the Mouse and Keyboard prefs in System 
Preferences. So, we can do whatever we want with it. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From mark_powell at symantec.com  Mon Mar 26 11:47:27 2007
From: mark_powell at symantec.com (Mark Powell)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:47:27 -0700
Subject: Enabling a Menu
References: <C22C0005.4463B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<32BF1F0B-93E1-4D0E-9AD9-1A82C1DB9812@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C7040C4274@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>

Joe,

You and I are both veterans from the Hypercard days, where there was no
such animal as custom properties.  Ergo, we are old dogs that need to
learn new tricks.  I know this in my bones, but try as I might I have
never segued over to this feature...instead staying in the comfort zone
of globals.  I know I am on the wrong path every time I open a stack
script and see, like, a thousand global declarations in the header.
What Jacque says is the honest truth...I will do better...I will do
better....I will do better....

Mark


-----Original Message-----
Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:
Not only that, but you will almost never use a global variable 
again. ;)


-----Original Message-----
Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
Don't know when I'll ever get around to using this feature, but 
once I've digested it, I feel pretty sure that it's amazing 
qualities will hit me right between the eyes!




From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Mon Mar 26 11:52:03 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 08:52:03 -0700
Subject: Enabling a Menu
In-Reply-To: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C7040C4274@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
References: <C22C0005.4463B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<32BF1F0B-93E1-4D0E-9AD9-1A82C1DB9812@Cox.Net>
	<E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C7040C4274@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
Message-ID: <2400B430-B381-4919-9670-4D45F71AA3F1@Cox.Net>

Mark,

Thanks for the encouragement. It helps to know there are others in  
the same boat with me. Incidentally, no one has responded to my  
question about whether or when we'll be able to create Mac Classic  
stand alones. I tried to do it last night and was rebuffed by the Set  
up dialog telling me "later".

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 26, 2007, at 8:47 AM, Mark Powell wrote:

> Joe,
>
> You and I are both veterans from the Hypercard days, where there  
> was no
> such animal as custom properties.  Ergo, we are old dogs that need to
> learn new tricks.  I know this in my bones, but try as I might I have
> never segued over to this feature...instead staying in the comfort  
> zone
> of globals.  I know I am on the wrong path every time I open a stack
> script and see, like, a thousand global declarations in the header.
> What Jacque says is the honest truth...I will do better...I will do
> better....I will do better....
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Jacqueline Landman Gay wrote:
> Not only that, but you will almost never use a global variable
> again. ;)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Don't know when I'll ever get around to using this feature, but
> once I've digested it, I feel pretty sure that it's amazing
> qualities will hit me right between the eyes!
>
>
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From index at kenjikojima.com  Mon Mar 26 12:09:19 2007
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:09:19 -0400
Subject: unicodeText problem with Japanese
In-Reply-To: <90DD15E6-A6F2-427D-82E7-4FB5B4A824E7@byu.edu>
References: <1e91b2b70703221903j1cad1055w9874e0e148e26e61@mail.gmail.com>
	<90DD15E6-A6F2-427D-82E7-4FB5B4A824E7@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <AF001345-33A3-4062-ADA0-997B72C4BC0F@kenjikojima.com>

On Mar 23, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> Nicolas,
>
> I'm not sure what's causing your problems. Could it be related to  
> this bug?
>
> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3614

He contacted me and we found the problems.
You cannot see the problems on Windows XP,
but the problems appear on Windows2000(maybe before OS too).

Importing UTF-16 Japanese text in Rev Field on Windows2000.
? BOM changes to a garbage character.
? CRLF of UTF-16 changes to a garbage character.

the script has to be: for XP and 2000

on mouseUp
    answer file "Select Japanese Text"
    put url ("binfile:" & it) into tURL
    set the useUnicode to true
    if baseConvert(charToNum(char 1 to 2 of tUTF16), 10, 16) = "FEFF"  
then
        delete char 1 to 2 of tURL
    end if
    replace (uniencode(CRLF)) with (uniencode(CR)) in tURL
    set the unicodeText of fld "Japanese" to tURL
end mouseUp

--
And MacOSX 10.3 Panther has the same BOM problem.
But You cannot see it on 10.4 Tiger.


--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/






From cszasz at mac.com  Mon Mar 26 12:21:37 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:21:37 -0400
Subject: Hiding a nonRev file in a Windows Standalone
Message-ID: <8404E9B7-25F5-41B6-AADC-F82259431ECF@mac.com>

How do you hide a nonRev file in a Windows Standalone?  I have a RTF  
template that I want to hide so it won't be corrupted by the user.


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Mar 26 12:28:19 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:28:19 -0600
Subject: Family punchups
In-Reply-To: <200703250955.43982.linux@flippingdades.com>
References: <360519.56657.qm@web37508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<0D196DD2-4E29-48B0-92F3-2CB61FAB462E@byu.edu>
	<200703250955.43982.linux@flippingdades.com>
Message-ID: <25438C7F-62CD-4D5C-AE08-98F19D0B88E1@byu.edu>


On Mar 25, 2007, at 9:55 AM, Don Jungk wrote:

> On Friday 23 March 2007 4:02 pm, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> And while we're at it...
>>
>> I should be able to drive on whatever bl***y side of the street I
>> want to.
>> I want to be surprised when I turn on one of the water faucets in the
>> shower.
>> I don't care if the > button on my video player goes forward,
>> backward, stops or records.
>> I should be able to say "Goodbye" when I answer the phone and expect
>> the person on the other end not to be confused.
>> I want my mouse cursor to move to the right when I move it away  
>> from me.

Of course, RunRev themselves let us play with this concept is a short- 
lived bug (showed up in 2.8-gm-2, squashed in gm-3) that caused  
horizontal scrollbars move the wrong way in Windows. I'm sure we  
could have gotten used to it. Remember the famous inverted image  
experiment? (http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/ 
mar97/858984531.Ns.r.html)
>>
>> ;-)
> This is completely off-topic, but I live in Southern Mexico and:
> the people here do drive on whatever part of the road (shoulder,  
> sidewalk,
> patio, etc.) that they want.
> It's always a surprise when we turn on the faucet (there may be  
> water) (and
> the cold water may be hot if the sun is out)
> It's common (and not considered rude) to greet people with "Adios"  
> If you're
> too busy to talk. Nobody is confused.

:-D

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 26 13:06:30 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:06:30 -0500
Subject: Enabling a Menu
In-Reply-To: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C7040C4274@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
References: <C22C0005.4463B%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>	<32BF1F0B-93E1-4D0E-9AD9-1A82C1DB9812@Cox.Net>
	<E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C7040C4274@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>
Message-ID: <4607FD96.3010103@hyperactivesw.com>

Mark Powell wrote:
> Joe,
> 
> You and I are both veterans from the Hypercard days, where there was no
> such animal as custom properties.  Ergo, we are old dogs that need to
> learn new tricks.  I know this in my bones, but try as I might I have
> never segued over to this feature...instead staying in the comfort zone
> of globals.

What you need is...ta da!...Dan Shafer's scripting conference stack 
about properties. Go here:

<http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/> and grab it.

Custom properties are alien at first if you haven't used them before, 
but once you do, you will smack your forehead and say "of course!" And 
you'll never look back. You can think of them as a sort of permanent 
variable.

Note that custom properties are saved with your stack, so in some cases 
globals are still a better choice for things that are temporary to the 
session. But in most cases, these can be replaced with script-local 
variables, so even then globals are rarely required.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 26 13:14:01 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:14:01 -0500
Subject: Hiding a nonRev file in a Windows Standalone
In-Reply-To: <8404E9B7-25F5-41B6-AADC-F82259431ECF@mac.com>
References: <8404E9B7-25F5-41B6-AADC-F82259431ECF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20070326121401162746.11789a39@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:21:37 -0400, Charles Szasz wrote:

> How do you hide a nonRev file in a Windows Standalone?  I have a RTF 
> template that I want to hide so it won't be corrupted by the user.

Well, you can set the "hidden" attribute of the file to true:

  -- assumes the path to the file you want to hide is in the variable 
'tFile'
  replace "/" with "\" in tFile
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true
  get shell("attrib +H" && quote & tFile & quote)


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Mon Mar 26 13:25:30 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:25:30 -0300
Subject: Hiding a nonRev file in a Windows Standalone
Message-ID: <4608020A.1040708@howsoft.com>

Charles Szasz wrote:

>How do you hide a nonRev file in a Windows Standalone?  I have a RTF  
template that I want to hide so it won't be corrupted by the user.

------------------------------------------
Hi Charles,

Why not just put it into a hidden field in your stack? You can then do what you like with it.

Bob



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 26 14:22:39 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:22:39 -0500
Subject: Methodology forprogramming challenge
Message-ID: <46080F6F.3000301@hyperactivesw.com>

I've had an inquiry to write software that would notate dance and music, 
using Labanotation. There is already something called LabanWriter that 
does this, but the proposed software would add some features.

The problems involved:

Notation is done from bottom to top in parallel columns. Each column 
represents one dancer, or one instrument. The columns must align. (So 
far, okay.)

Symbols used in notation vary in height, though all are multiples of a 
standard size. That means that a tall symbol in one column might have 
two or more shorter corresponding symbols in a parallel column. The tall 
symbol might itself be followed by other symbols of varying heights. 
This is hard to explain, but an example is here:

<http://www.dance.ohio-state.edu/~labanwriter/labantalk/>

My first thought was to use a custom font and parallel linked fields. 
But the difference in heights among various symbols makes that 
difficult, since some symbols would need to span two or more lines.

Another approach would be to stack buttons vertically, with each button 
sized to accomodate the appropriate symbol icon. This would make editing 
a nightmare, I think, because standard editing techniques used for text 
would have to be written from the ground up to support button changes or 
deletions. Just selecting a series of symbols with the mouse would seem 
almost impossible to do using buttons. Also, long dances with multiple 
instruments might require many thousands of buttons. Printouts would be 
difficult, especially because we'd often need to scale them to fit on 
standard paper.

My initial reaction is to say that the job is more trouble than it is 
worth, and give it a pass. But I thought I'd ask here to see if anyone 
has any ideas. If anyone has a sure-fire idea and is interested in 
working with me on it, feel free to write privately.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Mon Mar 26 14:39:15 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 11:39:15 -0700
Subject: Hiding a nonRev file in a Windows Standalone
In-Reply-To: <4608020A.1040708@howsoft.com>
References: <4608020A.1040708@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <46081353.8030601@pdslabs.net>

Hi Bob, Charles,

Rather than putting an RTF file into a field, I would put it into a custom 
property. That way you don't have any risk of it being changed to conform to any 
requirements the field might place on it to make it displayable (even though the 
field is hidden).

If it's stored in a custom prop, your app can then write it to disk when needed.

Some years ago I did this with an application needed by my Metacard app. My app 
retrieved the other app from a custom property, wrote it to disk, used it, then 
deleted it when done. Worked great. That was on Unix but it shouldn't make any 
diff what platform. (Famous last words!)

FWIW -
Phil Davis



Bob Warren wrote:
> Charles Szasz wrote:
> 
>> How do you hide a nonRev file in a Windows Standalone?  I have a RTF  
> template that I want to hide so it won't be corrupted by the user.
> 
> ------------------------------------------
> Hi Charles,
> 
> Why not just put it into a hidden field in your stack? You can then do 
> what you like with it.
> 
> Bob


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 26 15:00:26 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:00:26 -0500
Subject: Methodology forprogramming challenge
In-Reply-To: <46080F6F.3000301@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <46080F6F.3000301@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20070326140026532566.2560b2e1@sonsothunder.com>

> My initial reaction is to say that the job is more trouble than it is 
> worth, and give it a pass. But I thought I'd ask here to see if 
> anyone has any ideas. 

Could you use imageSource elements in a field, and adjust their 
location using textShift? That way you'd still have "text" 
selectability... it'd still be a bear to manage, but not as bad as 
buttons...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Mon Mar 26 15:03:31 2007
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:03:31 -0700
Subject: Installing a Standalone on Windows
In-Reply-To: <20070326170008.F2C2D489082@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C22D6713.7D24%dan@clearvisiontech.com>

Greetings!

Has anyone found a good solution for installing full applications on
Windows?  My app has multiple file types, file extensions and icons.  I have
fonts to install as well and adding the application to the Start menu and
file associations.

In the past I have used InstallShield.  Ug... just typing the phrase
"InstallShield" makes me a little dizzy!

What are you using??

Thanks in advance,
Dan




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Mar 26 15:13:39 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:13:39 -0500
Subject: Methodology forprogramming challenge
In-Reply-To: <20070326140026532566.2560b2e1@sonsothunder.com>
References: <46080F6F.3000301@hyperactivesw.com>
	<20070326140026532566.2560b2e1@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <46081B63.1030802@hyperactivesw.com>

Ken Ray wrote:
>> My initial reaction is to say that the job is more trouble than it is 
>> worth, and give it a pass. But I thought I'd ask here to see if 
>> anyone has any ideas. 
> 
> Could you use imageSource elements in a field, and adjust their 
> location using textShift? That way you'd still have "text" 
> selectability... it'd still be a bear to manage, but not as bad as 
> buttons...

I don't think textshift allows multiple symbols to be stacked vertically 
within the same character space -- but maybe I don't understand what you 
mean.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From cmsheffield at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 15:17:27 2007
From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:17:27 -0600
Subject: Installing a Standalone on Windows
In-Reply-To: <C22D6713.7D24%dan@clearvisiontech.com>
References: <C22D6713.7D24%dan@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <8A082C1A-3EBC-4CD5-BC71-A5A90B334C03@gmail.com>

Hi Dan,

Check out InnoSetup. It's free, works great, and is relatively easy  
to use, especially if you use the ISTool front end.

www.innosetup.com

Good luck.

Chris

On Mar 26, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Dan Friedman wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> Has anyone found a good solution for installing full applications on
> Windows?  My app has multiple file types, file extensions and  
> icons.  I have
> fonts to install as well and adding the application to the Start  
> menu and
> file associations.
>
> In the past I have used InstallShield.  Ug... just typing the phrase
> "InstallShield" makes me a little dizzy!
>
> What are you using??
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Dan
>
>
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------------------------------------------
Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally
The Fluency Company
http://www.readnaturally.com
------------------------------------------




From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Mon Mar 26 15:45:49 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 12:45:49 -0700
Subject: Installing a Standalone on Windows
In-Reply-To: <8A082C1A-3EBC-4CD5-BC71-A5A90B334C03@gmail.com>
References: <C22D6713.7D24%dan@clearvisiontech.com>
	<8A082C1A-3EBC-4CD5-BC71-A5A90B334C03@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <132B2954-DBFF-4DA1-BBA1-28FC93E73955@Cox.Net>

Hmn! Perhaps that's my problem. Can't I merely drag the folder that  
is created for the Stand alone onto my Shared Folder, Open VPC and  
then double click on the executable in the Windows Folder? Does it  
have to be installed? That's a bummer. Once again, the Mac version  
just works right out of Revolution's hands. It's even all bundled up  
for me under a single double clickable icon. Grrrr!

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 26, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote:

> Hi Dan,
>
> Check out InnoSetup. It's free, works great, and is relatively easy  
> to use, especially if you use the ISTool front end.
>
> www.innosetup.com
>
> Good luck.
>
> Chris
>
> On Mar 26, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Dan Friedman wrote:
>
>> Greetings!
>>
>> Has anyone found a good solution for installing full applications on
>> Windows?  My app has multiple file types, file extensions and  
>> icons.  I have
>> fonts to install as well and adding the application to the Start  
>> menu and
>> file associations.
>>
>> In the past I have used InstallShield.  Ug... just typing the phrase
>> "InstallShield" makes me a little dizzy!
>>
>> What are you using??
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dan
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>> subscription preferences:
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>
> ------------------------------------------
> Chris Sheffield
> Read Naturally
> The Fluency Company
> http://www.readnaturally.com
> ------------------------------------------
>
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Mon Mar 26 15:59:30 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:59:30 -0600
Subject: unicodeText problem with Japanese
In-Reply-To: <AF001345-33A3-4062-ADA0-997B72C4BC0F@kenjikojima.com>
References: <1e91b2b70703221903j1cad1055w9874e0e148e26e61@mail.gmail.com>
	<90DD15E6-A6F2-427D-82E7-4FB5B4A824E7@byu.edu>
	<AF001345-33A3-4062-ADA0-997B72C4BC0F@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <39B013C4-F9B6-4F9A-91B0-CD3807E704B9@byu.edu>

Thanks for sharing this, Kenji!

Devin

On Mar 26, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Kenji Kojima wrote:

> On Mar 23, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Devin Asay wrote:
>
>> Nicolas,
>>
>> I'm not sure what's causing your problems. Could it be related to  
>> this bug?
>>
>> http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3614
>
> He contacted me and we found the problems.
> You cannot see the problems on Windows XP,
> but the problems appear on Windows2000(maybe before OS too).
>
> Importing UTF-16 Japanese text in Rev Field on Windows2000.
> ? BOM changes to a garbage character.
> ? CRLF of UTF-16 changes to a garbage character.
>
> the script has to be: for XP and 2000
>
> on mouseUp
>    answer file "Select Japanese Text"
>    put url ("binfile:" & it) into tURL
>    set the useUnicode to true
>    if baseConvert(charToNum(char 1 to 2 of tUTF16), 10, 16) =  
> "FEFF" then
>        delete char 1 to 2 of tURL
>    end if
>    replace (uniencode(CRLF)) with (uniencode(CR)) in tURL
>    set the unicodeText of fld "Japanese" to tURL
> end mouseUp
>
> --
> And MacOSX 10.3 Panther has the same BOM problem.
> But You cannot see it on 10.4 Tiger.


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mark at maseurope.net  Mon Mar 26 16:36:08 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 21:36:08 +0100
Subject: Installing a Standalone on Windows
In-Reply-To: <132B2954-DBFF-4DA1-BBA1-28FC93E73955@Cox.Net>
References: <C22D6713.7D24%dan@clearvisiontech.com>
	<8A082C1A-3EBC-4CD5-BC71-A5A90B334C03@gmail.com>
	<132B2954-DBFF-4DA1-BBA1-28FC93E73955@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <77A798F7-1C18-4B91-A0B7-F52EAB6FA6A0@maseurope.net>

I think InnoSetup et al. is for more complex apps that need to place  
various files in different places (these exist on Macs, too). For a  
simple app without that requirement, just dragging and clicking as  
you describe should work fine.

Best,

Mark

On 26 Mar 2007, at 20:45, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Hmn! Perhaps that's my problem. Can't I merely drag the folder that  
> is created for the Stand alone onto my Shared Folder, Open VPC and  
> then double click on the executable in the Windows Folder? Does it  
> have to be installed? That's a bummer. Once again, the Mac version  
> just works right out of Revolution's hands. It's even all bundled  
> up for me under a single double clickable icon. Grrrr!
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On Mar 26, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote:
>
>> Hi Dan,
>>
>> Check out InnoSetup. It's free, works great, and is relatively  
>> easy to use, especially if you use the ISTool front end.
>>
>> www.innosetup.com
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Dan Friedman wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings!
>>>
>>> Has anyone found a good solution for installing full applications on
>>> Windows?  My app has multiple file types, file extensions and  
>>> icons.  I have
>>> fonts to install as well and adding the application to the Start  
>>> menu and
>>> file associations.
>>>
>>> In the past I have used InstallShield.  Ug... just typing the phrase
>>> "InstallShield" makes me a little dizzy!
>>>
>>> What are you using??
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>> subscription preferences:
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>>
>> ------------------------------------------
>> Chris Sheffield
>> Read Naturally
>> The Fluency Company
>> http://www.readnaturally.com
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Mon Mar 26 16:51:02 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:51:02 -0700
Subject: Installing a Standalone on Windows
In-Reply-To: <77A798F7-1C18-4B91-A0B7-F52EAB6FA6A0@maseurope.net>
References: <C22D6713.7D24%dan@clearvisiontech.com>
	<8A082C1A-3EBC-4CD5-BC71-A5A90B334C03@gmail.com>
	<132B2954-DBFF-4DA1-BBA1-28FC93E73955@Cox.Net>
	<77A798F7-1C18-4B91-A0B7-F52EAB6FA6A0@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <5482E05D-456A-48A9-A5CC-8CB6AA5704D8@Cox.Net>

Thanks, Mark. I was hoping that was the case; but I'm having some  
trouble with VPC at this point and hate the thought of reinstalling  
it. M$ has already sent me a nasty comment wanting me to go home so  
they can do something. Needless to say, I have no intent on doing so.  
It's a legal copy of VPC6, but that Mac is not connected to the  
Internet, so they are foiled. And I guess I'm screwed, though itt  
worked fine when I tested my first Rev application a few weeks ago.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 26, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Mark Smith wrote:

> I think InnoSetup et al. is for more complex apps that need to  
> place various files in different places (these exist on Macs, too).  
> For a simple app without that requirement, just dragging and  
> clicking as you describe should work fine.
>
> Best,
>
> Mark
>
> On 26 Mar 2007, at 20:45, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>
>> Hmn! Perhaps that's my problem. Can't I merely drag the folder  
>> that is created for the Stand alone onto my Shared Folder, Open  
>> VPC and then double click on the executable in the Windows Folder?  
>> Does it have to be installed? That's a bummer. Once again, the Mac  
>> version just works right out of Revolution's hands. It's even all  
>> bundled up for me under a single double clickable icon. Grrrr!
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Dan,
>>>
>>> Check out InnoSetup. It's free, works great, and is relatively  
>>> easy to use, especially if you use the ISTool front end.
>>>
>>> www.innosetup.com
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> On Mar 26, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Dan Friedman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Greetings!
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone found a good solution for installing full  
>>>> applications on
>>>> Windows?  My app has multiple file types, file extensions and  
>>>> icons.  I have
>>>> fonts to install as well and adding the application to the Start  
>>>> menu and
>>>> file associations.
>>>>
>>>> In the past I have used InstallShield.  Ug... just typing the  
>>>> phrase
>>>> "InstallShield" makes me a little dizzy!
>>>>
>>>> What are you using??
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
>>>> subscription preferences:
>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>> Chris Sheffield
>>> Read Naturally
>>> The Fluency Company
>>> http://www.readnaturally.com
>>> ------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 26 16:57:46 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:57:46 -0700
Subject: Installing a Standalone on Windows
In-Reply-To: <132B2954-DBFF-4DA1-BBA1-28FC93E73955@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C22D81DA.44703%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/26/07 12:45 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> Hmn! Perhaps that's my problem. Can't I merely drag the folder that
> is created for the Stand alone onto my Shared Folder, Open VPC and
> then double click on the executable in the Windows Folder? Does it
> have to be installed? That's a bummer. Once again, the Mac version
> just works right out of Revolution's hands. It's even all bundled up
> for me under a single double clickable icon. Grrrr!

Try making only a Win standalone (exe) and see if works.  I don't have
problems with making both, then moving them, however, I don't use VPC
anymore.  Used to work.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Mar 26 17:12:34 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:12:34 -0500
Subject: Methodology forprogramming challenge
In-Reply-To: <46081B63.1030802@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <46080F6F.3000301@hyperactivesw.com>
	<20070326140026532566.2560b2e1@sonsothunder.com>
	<46081B63.1030802@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20070326161234965842.0f265bd9@sonsothunder.com>

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:13:39 -0500, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Ken Ray wrote:
>>> My initial reaction is to say that the job is more trouble than it 
>>> is worth, and give it a pass. But I thought I'd ask here to see if 
>>> anyone has any ideas. 
>> 
>> Could you use imageSource elements in a field, and adjust their 
>> location using textShift? That way you'd still have "text" 
>> selectability... it'd still be a bear to manage, but not as bad as 
>> buttons...
> 
> I don't think textshift allows multiple symbols to be stacked 
> vertically within the same character space -- but maybe I don't 
> understand what you mean.

Actually I was thinking that each line would hold a different 
character, adjusted up or down accordingly. For those places where one 
large character would take up two lines, the line above would be empty 
to give the appearance that they're stacked on top of each other. A lot 
of work, granted, but it's possible...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Mar 26 18:23:05 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:23:05 -0700
Subject: exportscripts.rev
Message-ID: <E2B51F21-5EFA-4485-9740-604469BDAD44@dvcreators.net>

I put together a little stack (with Jim Ault's help- thanks Jim!)  
that exports all the scripts of your stacks, substacks, cards and  
controls into separate text files in a folder.

Then, a text editor like TextWrangler will search the whole folder  
containing all the scripts from all your project quickly- to locate a  
handler, etc., much easier than locating the stack and opening it.

You can pull up that script into a separate window- handy if you use  
a tabbed (single) script window editor like Galaxy and want to look  
at multiple scripts at the same time.

http://leapingbrain.com/stacks/exportscripts.rev.zip


From josh at dvcreators.net  Mon Mar 26 18:26:41 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:26:41 -0700
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <E2B51F21-5EFA-4485-9740-604469BDAD44@dvcreators.net>
References: <E2B51F21-5EFA-4485-9740-604469BDAD44@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <DDED6423-363C-4BB2-85E3-7BDF56476DA4@dvcreators.net>

Just realized Windows users will have to change the specialFolderPath  
line...



On Mar 26, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote:

> I put together a little stack (with Jim Ault's help- thanks Jim!)  
> that exports all the scripts of your stacks, substacks, cards and  
> controls into separate text files in a folder.
>
> Then, a text editor like TextWrangler will search the whole folder  
> containing all the scripts from all your project quickly- to locate  
> a handler, etc., much easier than locating the stack and opening it.
>
> You can pull up that script into a separate window- handy if you  
> use a tabbed (single) script window editor like Galaxy and want to  
> look at multiple scripts at the same time.
>
> http://leapingbrain.com/stacks/exportscripts.rev.zip
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From mark_powell at symantec.com  Mon Mar 26 18:41:37 2007
From: mark_powell at symantec.com (Mark Powell)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:41:37 -0700
Subject: Methodology forprogramming challenge
References: <46080F6F.3000301@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <E4A6E4BE5DE46F43BB369D5BF7D594C7040C43F7@svlxchcln6.enterprise.veritas.com>

If I were given the choice, I would write to external HTML, using a
combination of ROWSPAN, css, and carefully foundried images.  All things
considered, it does not seem that hard to do, if in fact you have a say
on how to create the output and print quality of non-vector graphics
were acceptable.

Mark


From dweeble at wi.rr.com  Mon Mar 26 19:04:13 2007
From: dweeble at wi.rr.com (Michael D.)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:04:13 -0500
Subject: Installing a Standalone on Windows
References: <C22D6713.7D24%dan@clearvisiontech.com>
Message-ID: <003201c76ffb$1280bdd0$0400a8c0@upthe>

Dan
Here something that I use for smaller applications, quick'n easy.

http://www.gdgsoft.com/pb/index.aspx

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Friedman" <dan at clearvisiontech.com>
To: "RunRev Mail List" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 2:03 PM
Subject: Installing a Standalone on Windows


> Greetings!
>
> Has anyone found a good solution for installing full applications on
> Windows?  My app has multiple file types, file extensions and icons.  I 
> have
> fonts to install as well and adding the application to the Start menu and
> file associations.
>
> In the past I have used InstallShield.  Ug... just typing the phrase
> "InstallShield" makes me a little dizzy!
>
> What are you using??
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Dan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your 
> subscription preferences:
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 22:05:20 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:05:20 +0800
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <E2B51F21-5EFA-4485-9740-604469BDAD44@dvcreators.net>
References: <E2B51F21-5EFA-4485-9740-604469BDAD44@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703261905t49e5bfddic30ef987a8deee5@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/27/07, Josh Mellicker <josh at dvcreators.net> wrote:
>
> I put together a little stack (with Jim Ault's help- thanks Jim!)
> that exports all the scripts of your stacks, substacks, cards and
> controls into separate text files in a folder.


Perfect timing. Are you Catholic? :-)


From david at openpartnership.net  Tue Mar 27 08:42:39 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:42:39 +0200
Subject: Quick CGI question: doing nothing?
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703270542s58a18c2fs50acc228d07e582f@mail.gmail.com>

How do I create a CGI that does nothing - from searching around I came
across the 204 HTTP Response code. So my basic question is how do I write
cgi's to return different HTTP response codes?


From soapdog at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 08:50:25 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:50:25 -0300
Subject: Quick CGI question: doing nothing?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0703270542s58a18c2fs50acc228d07e582f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0703270542s58a18c2fs50acc228d07e582f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB31F5CB-7670-4BF0-8671-7655D848AD20@mac.com>

David,

a nice read is "HTTP Made Easy" <http://www.jmarshall.com/easy/http/>

for a 204 response, just begin your response with

HTTP/1.0 204 my descriptive text

then put your headers, then your actual data...

Cheers
andre


On Mar 27, 2007, at 9:42 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> How do I create a CGI that does nothing - from searching around I came
> across the 204 HTTP Response code. So my basic question is how do I  
> write
> cgi's to return different HTTP response codes?
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From david at openpartnership.net  Tue Mar 27 09:17:03 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:17:03 +0200
Subject: Quick CGI question: doing nothing?
In-Reply-To: <BB31F5CB-7670-4BF0-8671-7655D848AD20@mac.com>
References: <c1c5836b0703270542s58a18c2fs50acc228d07e582f@mail.gmail.com>
	<BB31F5CB-7670-4BF0-8671-7655D848AD20@mac.com>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703270617p167c38beu558a45a4c3c9e917@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andre, I have tried a bunch of variations and think I must be making
a basic error as I am getting nothing but "Internal server errors". What's
wrong with this script:

on startup
   put "Do nothing" into buffer
   -- put "HTTP/1.1 204" && buffer & crlf & crlf

   put "HTTP/1.0 204 my descriptive text"
   put "Content-Type: text/html" & CR
   put "Content-Length: "& length(buffer) & crlf & crlf
   -- write buffer to stdout

   quit
end startup

On 27/03/07, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> a nice read is "HTTP Made Easy" <http://www.jmarshall.com/easy/http/>
>
> for a 204 response, just begin your response with
>
> HTTP/1.0 204 my descriptive text
>
> then put your headers, then your actual data...
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
>
> On Mar 27, 2007, at 9:42 AM, David Bovill wrote:
>
> > How do I create a CGI that does nothing - from searching around I came
> > across the 204 HTTP Response code. So my basic question is how do I
> > write
> > cgi's to return different HTTP response codes?
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From soapdog at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 09:24:19 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:24:19 -0300
Subject: Quick CGI question: doing nothing?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0703270617p167c38beu558a45a4c3c9e917@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0703270542s58a18c2fs50acc228d07e582f@mail.gmail.com>
	<BB31F5CB-7670-4BF0-8671-7655D848AD20@mac.com>
	<c1c5836b0703270617p167c38beu558a45a4c3c9e917@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7DEFA5D2-200E-414F-A81B-3DEE52302D99@mac.com>

David,

you forgot the CRLF after the first line :-)

Andre

On Mar 27, 2007, at 10:17 AM, David Bovill wrote:

> Thanks Andre, I have tried a bunch of variations and think I must  
> be making
> a basic error as I am getting nothing but "Internal server errors".  
> What's
> wrong with this script:
>
> on startup
>   put "Do nothing" into buffer
>   -- put "HTTP/1.1 204" && buffer & crlf & crlf
>
>   put "HTTP/1.0 204 my descriptive text"
>   put "Content-Type: text/html" & CR
>   put "Content-Length: "& length(buffer) & crlf & crlf
>   -- write buffer to stdout
>
>   quit
> end startup
>
> On 27/03/07, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> David,
>>
>> a nice read is "HTTP Made Easy" <http://www.jmarshall.com/easy/http/>
>>
>> for a 204 response, just begin your response with
>>
>> HTTP/1.0 204 my descriptive text
>>
>> then put your headers, then your actual data...
>>
>> Cheers
>> andre
>>
>>
>> On Mar 27, 2007, at 9:42 AM, David Bovill wrote:
>>
>> > How do I create a CGI that does nothing - from searching around  
>> I came
>> > across the 204 HTTP Response code. So my basic question is how do I
>> > write
>> > cgi's to return different HTTP response codes?
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From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Mar 27 09:26:39 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:26:39 +0100
Subject: Quick CGI question: doing nothing?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0703270617p167c38beu558a45a4c3c9e917@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0703270542s58a18c2fs50acc228d07e582f@mail.gmail.com>
	<BB31F5CB-7670-4BF0-8671-7655D848AD20@mac.com>
	<c1c5836b0703270617p167c38beu558a45a4c3c9e917@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <202D8DE3-4F21-43B6-B381-9D74A55B0DB7@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 27 Mar 2007, at 14:17, David Bovill wrote:

> Thanks Andre, I have tried a bunch of variations and think I must  
> be making
> a basic error as I am getting nothing but "Internal server errors".  
> What's
> wrong with this script:
>
> on startup
>   put "Do nothing" into buffer
>   -- put "HTTP/1.1 204" && buffer & crlf & crlf
>
>   put "HTTP/1.0 204 my descriptive text"
>   put "Content-Type: text/html" & CR
>   put "Content-Length: "& length(buffer) & crlf & crlf
>   -- write buffer to stdout
>
>   quit
> end startup

David, try this:

  put "Status: 204 my descriptive text" & cr
  put "Content-Type: text/html" & CR
  put "Content-Length: "& length(buffer) & cr & cr
   -- write buffer to stdout

Cheers
Dave


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Mar 27 09:39:32 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 14:39:32 +0100
Subject: Quick CGI question: doing nothing?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0703270617p167c38beu558a45a4c3c9e917@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0703270542s58a18c2fs50acc228d07e582f@mail.gmail.com>
	<BB31F5CB-7670-4BF0-8671-7655D848AD20@mac.com>
	<c1c5836b0703270617p167c38beu558a45a4c3c9e917@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D8550D8A-898A-4194-A8DE-488370C3A2C3@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 27 Mar 2007, at 14:17, David Bovill wrote:

> Thanks Andre, I have tried a bunch of variations and think I must  
> be making
> a basic error as I am getting nothing but "Internal server errors".  
> What's
> wrong with this script:
>
> on startup
>   put "Do nothing" into buffer
>   -- put "HTTP/1.1 204" && buffer & crlf & crlf
>
>   put "HTTP/1.0 204 my descriptive text"
>   put "Content-Type: text/html" & CR
>   put "Content-Length: "& length(buffer) & crlf & crlf
>   -- write buffer to stdout
>
>   quit
> end startup

Looking again at your original question, you shouldn't use the 204  
response if you are returning any data. In other words, don't write  
anything after the headers:

put "Status: 204 my descriptive text" & cr
put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr & cr

You can achieve basically the same thing with a standard 200 response  
and a Content-length header of zero.

Cheers
Dave






From soapdog at mac.com  Tue Mar 27 09:43:59 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:43:59 -0300
Subject: invoking rev with -ui and it still tries to connect to windowserver.
Message-ID: <49776A94-F62F-426F-B87E-4F2110AAD54F@mac.com>

Hello folks,

doing command line tools here in MacOS X. Does anyone know why the  
2.5.1 engine still tries to connect to the windowserver even when I  
launch it with -ui?

Andre


From david at openpartnership.net  Tue Mar 27 10:00:04 2007
From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:00:04 +0200
Subject: Quick CGI question: doing nothing?
In-Reply-To: <202D8DE3-4F21-43B6-B381-9D74A55B0DB7@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <c1c5836b0703270542s58a18c2fs50acc228d07e582f@mail.gmail.com>
	<BB31F5CB-7670-4BF0-8671-7655D848AD20@mac.com>
	<c1c5836b0703270617p167c38beu558a45a4c3c9e917@mail.gmail.com>
	<202D8DE3-4F21-43B6-B381-9D74A55B0DB7@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <c1c5836b0703270700s66ef19a1t5b6aaec01de84b34@mail.gmail.com>

OK - thanks guys that fixed it:

on startup
   put "Hello world!" into buffer

   -- put "HTTP/1.0 204 my descriptive text" & crlf
   put "Status: 204 my descriptive text" & CR
   put "Content-Type: text/html" & CR
   put "Content-Length: "& length(buffer) & crlf & crlf
   put buffer
   quit
end startup

I guess the "Status:" part of the header applies to other status responses?

NB - is there a rhyme and a reason to when to use CR and when CRLF - it
seems pretty well interchangeable on a Linux server, are there any "buts"?
Sam goes with using "write buffer to stdout" or just "put buffer" - any
actual differences?


From mswindel at santacruz.k12.ca.us  Tue Mar 27 11:28:35 2007
From: mswindel at santacruz.k12.ca.us (Mark Swindell)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:28:35 -0700
Subject: dictionary question
Message-ID: <9C4C1AFA-D680-4C32-AC30-50ECE8935DEA@santacruz.k12.ca.us>

Just looking into this, but I'm wondering about architecting a small  
stack that would allow me to input a list of words into a field, and  
then click a button which would return the entire list of words with  
their dictionary definitions.  Ideally these would be drawn from a  
source such as Merriam-Websters student dictionary (online http:// 
wordcentral.com/ ), or another student dictionary on the HD....

How difficult would this be to do in Rev, and what might be an   
efficient way to pull it off?  Or does such a tool already exist  
somewhere?

TIA,
Mark


From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Mar 27 11:41:26 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:41:26 -0700
Subject: dictionary question
In-Reply-To: <9C4C1AFA-D680-4C32-AC30-50ECE8935DEA@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
References: <9C4C1AFA-D680-4C32-AC30-50ECE8935DEA@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
Message-ID: <46093B26.5020002@pdslabs.net>

Hi Mark,

I've never built a lookup tool like this but it reminds me of one I used for 
several years. It used the DICT protocol. If you've never looked at this 
protocol, you might find it interesting. Typing 'DICT protocol' into google or 
wikipedia will bring up a veritable firehose of info about it!

Phil Davis


Mark Swindell wrote:
> Just looking into this, but I'm wondering about architecting a small 
> stack that would allow me to input a list of words into a field, and 
> then click a button which would return the entire list of words with 
> their dictionary definitions.  Ideally these would be drawn from a 
> source such as Merriam-Websters student dictionary (online 
> http://wordcentral.com/ ), or another student dictionary on the HD....
> 
> How difficult would this be to do in Rev, and what might be an  
> efficient way to pull it off?  Or does such a tool already exist somewhere?
> 
> TIA,
> Mark


From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Mar 27 11:43:47 2007
From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:43:47 +0100
Subject: Quick CGI question: doing nothing?
In-Reply-To: <c1c5836b0703270700s66ef19a1t5b6aaec01de84b34@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c1c5836b0703270542s58a18c2fs50acc228d07e582f@mail.gmail.com>
	<BB31F5CB-7670-4BF0-8671-7655D848AD20@mac.com>
	<c1c5836b0703270617p167c38beu558a45a4c3c9e917@mail.gmail.com>
	<202D8DE3-4F21-43B6-B381-9D74A55B0DB7@lacscentre.co.uk>
	<c1c5836b0703270700s66ef19a1t5b6aaec01de84b34@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8A7992F1-29D5-4730-8CB3-3B2A83E1D832@lacscentre.co.uk>


On 27 Mar 2007, at 15:00, David Bovill wrote:
> NB - is there a rhyme and a reason to when to use CR and when CRLF  
> - it
> seems pretty well interchangeable on a Linux server, are there any  
> "buts"?
> Sam goes with using "write buffer to stdout" or just "put buffer" -  
> any
> actual differences?

The http spec calls for crlf, but it seems Apache is very nice and  
changes from cr to crlf when sending the response to the client.  I  
don't think all servers do this.

If in doubt, I'd suggest using crlf.

Cheers
Dave


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 27 13:44:00 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:44:00 -0500
Subject: Quick CGI question: doing nothing?
In-Reply-To: <8A7992F1-29D5-4730-8CB3-3B2A83E1D832@lacscentre.co.uk>
References: <c1c5836b0703270542s58a18c2fs50acc228d07e582f@mail.gmail.com>	<BB31F5CB-7670-4BF0-8671-7655D848AD20@mac.com>	<c1c5836b0703270617p167c38beu558a45a4c3c9e917@mail.gmail.com>	<202D8DE3-4F21-43B6-B381-9D74A55B0DB7@lacscentre.co.uk>	<c1c5836b0703270700s66ef19a1t5b6aaec01de84b34@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A7992F1-29D5-4730-8CB3-3B2A83E1D832@lacscentre.co.uk>
Message-ID: <460957E0.10108@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Cragg wrote:
> 
> On 27 Mar 2007, at 15:00, David Bovill wrote:
>> NB - is there a rhyme and a reason to when to use CR and when CRLF - it
>> seems pretty well interchangeable on a Linux server, are there any 
>> "buts"?
>> Sam goes with using "write buffer to stdout" or just "put buffer" - any
>> actual differences?
> 
> The http spec calls for crlf, but it seems Apache is very nice and 
> changes from cr to crlf when sending the response to the client.  I 
> don't think all servers do this.

Actually, I think it is Rev that does this, just as it changes line 
endings in imported text files and across platforms in stacks.

I've never used anything but cr, and it always works.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Tue Mar 27 14:04:54 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:04:54 -0300
Subject: Hiding a nonRev file in a Windows Standalone
Message-ID: <46095CC6.8060505@howsoft.com>

Phil wrote:

 >Hi Bob, Charles,

Rather than putting an RTF file into a field, I would put it into a custom 
property. That way you don't have any risk of it being changed to conform to any 
requirements the field might place on it to make it displayable (even though the 
field is hidden).

If it's stored in a custom prop, your app can then write it to disk when needed.

Some years ago I did this with an application needed by my Metacard app. My app 
retrieved the other app from a custom property, wrote it to disk, used it, then 
deleted it when done. Worked great. That was on Unix but it shouldn't make any 
diff what platform. (Famous last words!)

----------------------------------------
I do this all the time with Rebol and HTML scripts without trouble. They are only texts, after all, just like RTFs.

Your app can also write it to disk from the field.

But as you say, "Famous last words!"
It might be different when you are doing this with an app.

Bob





From mail at richard-hillen.de  Tue Mar 27 14:29:00 2007
From: mail at richard-hillen.de (R. Hillen)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:29:00 +0200
Subject: Print Word-docs to pdf on OS X by revolution (and applescript?)
Message-ID: <5AC47C4A-A429-4C87-A728-6FA877DB5D86@richard-hillen.de>

Hello,

I have a lot of word-files (with Footnotes), which I want to print to  
pdf on Mac OS X using the button in OSX-Print-Dialog.

Can you tell  me how to do? How to do it in Applescript?

BTW: I learned with your help to use the shell command to convert doc  
to pdf, but that doesn?t work for doc-Files with Footnotes.

Thank you in advance for yout thinking!

Richard.

From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 27 14:47:57 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:47:57 -0700
Subject: dictionary question
In-Reply-To: <9C4C1AFA-D680-4C32-AC30-50ECE8935DEA@santacruz.k12.ca.us>
Message-ID: <C22EB4ED.4478F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>




On 3/27/07 8:28 AM, "Mark Swindell" <mswindel at santacruz.k12.ca.us> wrote:

> Just looking into this, but I'm wondering about architecting a small
> stack that would allow me to input a list of words into a field, and
> then click a button which would return the entire list of words with
> their dictionary definitions.  Ideally these would be drawn from a
> source such as Merriam-Websters student dictionary (online http://
> wordcentral.com/ ), or another student dictionary on the HD....
> 
> How difficult would this be to do in Rev, and what might be an
> efficient way to pull it off?  Or does such a tool already exist
> somewhere?
Basically you get a URL that includes the word in the search string.
Do a few site searches and copy the url that is in the browser, then build
the same string in a repeat loop for each word.

Pretty simple once you get the hang of it.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Tue Mar 27 15:48:23 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:48:23 +0200
Subject: Print Word-docs to pdf on OS X by revolution (and applescript?)
In-Reply-To: <5AC47C4A-A429-4C87-A728-6FA877DB5D86@richard-hillen.de>
References: <5AC47C4A-A429-4C87-A728-6FA877DB5D86@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <32CC0918-2321-4340-9577-DDE30C79EB07@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richard,

The solution should be something simple like

set theFile to (choose file)
tell application "Microsoft Word" to print theFile

Best,

Mark

--

Economy-x-Talk
Consultancy and Software Engineering
http://economy-x-talk.com
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Download at http://www.salery.biz

Op 27-mrt-2007, om 20:29 heeft R. Hillen het volgende geschreven:

> Hello,
>
> I have a lot of word-files (with Footnotes), which I want to print  
> to pdf on Mac OS X using the button in OSX-Print-Dialog.
>
> Can you tell  me how to do? How to do it in Applescript?
>
> BTW: I learned with your help to use the shell command to convert  
> doc to pdf, but that doesn?t work for doc-Files with Footnotes.
>
> Thank you in advance for yout thinking!




From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Tue Mar 27 16:53:04 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:53:04 -0700
Subject: dictionary question
In-Reply-To: <C22EB4ED.4478F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C22ED240.23780%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/27/07 11:47 AM, "Jim Ault" <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Basically you get a URL that includes the word in the search string.
> Do a few site searches and copy the url that is in the browser, then build
> the same string in a repeat loop for each word.

Unfortunately, wordcentral.com doesn't expose the search string in the url.
When I viewed the page's source I didn't recognize how to build the url.
Can you, Jim?

-- Dick




From josh at dvcreators.net  Tue Mar 27 16:53:49 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 13:53:49 -0700
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703261905t49e5bfddic30ef987a8deee5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E2B51F21-5EFA-4485-9740-604469BDAD44@dvcreators.net>
	<f73a98160703261905t49e5bfddic30ef987a8deee5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <419D3860-1589-4BA2-A2BF-BBB5E5E24FD6@dvcreators.net>


On Mar 26, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On 3/27/07, Josh Mellicker <josh at dvcreators.net> wrote:
>>
>> I put together a little stack (with Jim Ault's help- thanks Jim!)
>> that exports all the scripts of your stacks, substacks, cards and
>> controls into separate text files in a folder.
>
>
> Perfect timing. Are you Catholic? :-)


Okay, I'll bite... why do you ask?


This stack has been super helpful to me over the last couple days,  
anyone try it out?

http://leapingbrain.com/stacks/exportscripts.rev.zip


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Tue Mar 27 17:34:08 2007
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 07:34:08 +1000
Subject: Methodology forprogramming challenge
In-Reply-To: <20070327170008.D9E02488E52@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C22FCAF0.1DDE%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>

Why not as Ken suggest use imageSource (htmlText/whatever) but use a fixed
line height in combination with identically sized images which either
represent all or part of an icon depending on the size/height of that icon.
So if you have a tall icon - say three units high - you use three lines each
with a different imageSource character.

Terry...


On 28/3/07 3:00 AM, "use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com"
<use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> From: Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com>
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 16:12:34 -0500
> To: How to use Revolution <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Methodology forprogramming challenge
> 
> On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 14:13:39 -0500, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> 
>> Ken Ray wrote:
>>>> My initial reaction is to say that the job is more trouble than it
>>>> is worth, and give it a pass. But I thought I'd ask here to see if
>>>> anyone has any ideas.
>>> 
>>> Could you use imageSource elements in a field, and adjust their
>>> location using textShift? That way you'd still have "text"
>>> selectability... it'd still be a bear to manage, but not as bad as
>>> buttons...
>> 
>> I don't think textshift allows multiple symbols to be stacked
>> vertically within the same character space -- but maybe I don't
>> understand what you mean.
> 
> Actually I was thinking that each line would hold a different
> character, adjusted up or down accordingly. For those places where one
> large character would take up two lines, the line above would be empty
> to give the appearance that they're stacked on top of each other. A lot
> of work, granted, but it's possible...
> 
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

-- 
Dr Terry Judd
Lecturer in Educational Technology (Design)
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA

61-3 8344 0187



From hershf at rgllc.us  Tue Mar 27 18:02:32 2007
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:02:32 -0400
Subject: Email Encode / SMTP
In-Reply-To: <C3C48672-E77F-4782-B298-EA42895B777D@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <C22F0CB8.1FBB%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/7/07 3:15 PM, "R. Hillen" <mail at richard-hillen.de> wrote:
By the way Sarah has something very good as well don't remember her www
Hershel

> Hello,
> 
> As i want to send same email programmatically, I?m looking now for
> Shao Seans Email Encode 2.5.2 and SMTP 2.5.3.
> 
> I looked for both Programs on Shao Sean?s website; there they are
> "offline" and not downlodable.
> 
> Can you give me some tips, how to get them?
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Richard._______________________________________________
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From hershf at rgllc.us  Tue Mar 27 18:09:00 2007
From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:09:00 -0400
Subject: Email Encode / SMTP
In-Reply-To: <815c5e2d4d34f1dfa73827cd1babc9d0@wehostmacs.com>
Message-ID: <C22F0E3C.1FBC%hershf@rgllc.us>

On 2/9/07 8:19 PM, "Shao Sean" <shaosean at wehostmacs.com> wrote:
While we are at it, is there a way to send or receive email and not have to
wait while it is running.
Hershel 
> Hi Richard et al.
> 
> Yes lots of the libraries and objects are offline as we're attempting
> to re-write them to use all the new tricks and tips we've learnt since
> originally writing them. They will be back online in the future, but if
> you need them sooner then the next ice age (I'm not talking about the
> movie either ;-) feel free to contact us directly <support AT shaosean
> DOT tk> and I'm sure we can send it to you :-)
> 
> -Sean
> 
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 27 18:18:47 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:18:47 -0500
Subject: Methodology forprogramming challenge
In-Reply-To: <C22FCAF0.1DDE%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
References: <C22FCAF0.1DDE%tsj@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <46099847.6010603@hyperactivesw.com>

Just a thank-you to everyone who helped me brainstorm on the dance 
notation idea. While all the various pieces of advice seem do-able 
individually, the totality of it all makes me uncomfortable. There is 
hardly anything that wouldn't be a hack -- printing, screen display, 
data entry, all of it. I've had plenty of times where I had to use a 
work-around here and there, and in general those do fine, but when the 
core guts of the software needs to be a kludge I'm not comfortable. 
There's just too much that could go wrong, and it is too susceptible to 
multiple problems. After some consideration, I don't think I'll take the 
job.

Rev is good for just about everything, but this one project seems like a 
rare exception to the rule. If anyone feels differently, I'd be happy to 
pass the project on to you.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Mar 27 18:37:37 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:37:37 -0600
Subject: dictionary question
In-Reply-To: <C22ED240.23780%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C22EB4ED.4478F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<C22ED240.23780%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703271537ud7b8812x11dcfb555a187fb0@mail.gmail.com>

WordNet does expose it and I think it's not too hard to access. We already
do this for ThoughtOffice. We have our own WordNet server which populates
our IdeaBrowser.

best,
Chipp

On 3/27/07, Dick Kriesel <dick.kriesel at mail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Unfortunately, wordcentral.com doesn't expose the search string in the
> url.
> When I viewed the page's source I didn't recognize how to build the url.
> Can you, Jim?
>
> -- Dick
>
>


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 19:42:03 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:42:03 +1000
Subject: Email Encode / SMTP
In-Reply-To: <C22F0CB8.1FBB%hershf@rgllc.us>
References: <C3C48672-E77F-4782-B298-EA42895B777D@richard-hillen.de>
	<C22F0CB8.1FBB%hershf@rgllc.us>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703271642h7a43ae4bx2b20dc3ea06facb2@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.troz.net/Rev/libraries.php>

Cheers,
Sarah


On 3/28/07, Hershel Fisch <hershf at rgllc.us> wrote:
> On 2/7/07 3:15 PM, "R. Hillen" <mail at richard-hillen.de> wrote:
> By the way Sarah has something very good as well don't remember her www
> Hershel
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > As i want to send same email programmatically, I?m looking now for
> > Shao Seans Email Encode 2.5.2 and SMTP 2.5.3.
> >
> > I looked for both Programs on Shao Sean?s website; there they are
> > "offline" and not downlodable.
> >
> > Can you give me some tips, how to get them?
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Richard._______________________________________________
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From dave at crystalpiersw.com  Tue Mar 27 20:16:14 2007
From: dave at crystalpiersw.com (Dave Beck)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:16:14 -0300
Subject: non-blocking post
Message-ID: <000801c770ce$4dcf8cd0$e96ea670$@com>

 

Is there any way to make a non-blocking post request? Often times when
posting multi-part form data to a URL the post operation appears to time out
and an empty result  and the "it" variable are both left empty if there is a
lag before the server responds. The problem seems to also be related to the
amount of data being posted, but it seems to be most dependant on the lag
time with the server. Is there a non-blocking way to post data to a URL that
may not be subject to this (apparent) timeout issue? Thanks very much in
advance for any help or advice.

 

(I did try setting the socketTimeoutInterval to a very high value but the
problem persists.)

 

Thanks,

Dave

 



From len-morgan at crcom.net  Tue Mar 27 21:32:36 2007
From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:32:36 -0500
Subject: Is there a currentCard Property?
Message-ID: <4609C5B4.8080304@crcom.net>

I've got an application that has a stack with several cards that are 
selected by a selection from a combobox (which is in a toolbar group on 
all cards).  I need to update the information on the currently visible 
card when a new card is selected from the combobox or when the current 
record is changed (in another group on all cards).  Since this stack may 
end up being 50+ cards with a lot of data (from a database BTW), I don't 
want to update every card every time new data is selected.

Is there a currentCard property or function I can use?  I'm going to 
have an updateFields handler on each card that will update only the data 
on that card.

Any ideas?

Thanks!

Len Morgan


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Mar 27 21:58:05 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:58:05 -0700
Subject: Is there a currentCard Property?
In-Reply-To: <4609C5B4.8080304@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <C22F19BD.2218C%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Len Morgan wrote:

> Is there a currentCard property or function I can use?  I'm going to
> have an updateFields handler on each card that will update only the data
> on that card.

Maybe you mean "this card"?

  put the number of this card

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From revdev at pdslabs.net  Tue Mar 27 22:22:51 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:22:51 -0700
Subject: Is there a currentCard Property?
In-Reply-To: <4609C5B4.8080304@crcom.net>
References: <4609C5B4.8080304@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <4609D17B.1010309@pdslabs.net>

Also, 'current card' is a synonym for 'this card'.

Phil Davis


Len Morgan wrote:
> I've got an application that has a stack with several cards that are 
> selected by a selection from a combobox (which is in a toolbar group on 
> all cards).  I need to update the information on the currently visible 
> card when a new card is selected from the combobox or when the current 
> record is changed (in another group on all cards).  Since this stack may 
> end up being 50+ cards with a lot of data (from a database BTW), I don't 
> want to update every card every time new data is selected.
> 
> Is there a currentCard property or function I can use?  I'm going to 
> have an updateFields handler on each card that will update only the data 
> on that card.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Len Morgan


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Tue Mar 27 23:14:09 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:14:09 +1000
Subject: Is there a currentCard Property?
In-Reply-To: <4609C5B4.8080304@crcom.net>
References: <4609C5B4.8080304@crcom.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703272014y76d0647aidb41eb22f05ae5ab@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/28/07, Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
> I've got an application that has a stack with several cards that are
> selected by a selection from a combobox (which is in a toolbar group on
> all cards).  I need to update the information on the currently visible
> card when a new card is selected from the combobox or when the current
> record is changed (in another group on all cards).  Since this stack may
> end up being 50+ cards with a lot of data (from a database BTW), I don't
> want to update every card every time new data is selected.
>
> Is there a currentCard property or function I can use?  I'm going to
> have an updateFields handler on each card that will update only the data
> on that card.

It's listed as unsupported in the Engine Change Log file, but you can use:
    put the currentCard of stack "Whatever"

Another possibility is to get "line 1 of the recentCards".

Both of these allow for the stack with the cards to be other than the
front most stack at the time.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Mar 27 23:23:42 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:23:42 -0500
Subject: Is there a currentCard Property?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703272014y76d0647aidb41eb22f05ae5ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4609C5B4.8080304@crcom.net>
	<f99b52860703272014y76d0647aidb41eb22f05ae5ab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4609DFBE.2020508@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On 3/28/07, Len Morgan <len-morgan at crcom.net> wrote:
>> Is there a currentCard property or function I can use?  I'm going to
>> have an updateFields handler on each card that will update only the data
>> on that card.
> 
> It's listed as unsupported in the Engine Change Log file, but you can use:
>    put the currentCard of stack "Whatever"
> 
> Another possibility is to get "line 1 of the recentCards".
> 
> Both of these allow for the stack with the cards to be other than the
> front most stack at the time.

Also:

   this card of stack "otherStack"

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Wed Mar 28 00:23:55 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:23:55 +1000
Subject: How to tell if a stack has been edited
Message-ID: <f99b52860703272123p32ee5b13pd73058de578f2b06@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any way to tell if the data in a stack has been edited? I
don't want to have to keep track of every field and record any changes
so I am hoping there is a hidden property somewhere that can tell me
this. It has to work in a standalone, not just in the IDE.

TIA,
Sarah


From john at debraneys.com  Wed Mar 28 00:46:27 2007
From: john at debraneys.com (john at debraneys.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:46:27 +0000
Subject: Is there a currentCard Property?
Message-ID: <W569363062811061175057187@webmail3>

Hi Len,

It may be that you could trap the opencard message further back in your stack script and always update the field values based on the card name like this...

on opencard
put the short name of this card into fld "title"
put the myCustomAttribute of this card into fld "someOtherInfo"
pass opencard
end opencard

If you have cards that don't have the fields to be updated inthe stack just put an if statement around the put statement/s like this...

on opencard
 if there is a fld "title"
 then
 put the short name of this card into fld "title"
 put the myCustomAttribute of this card into fld "someOtherInfo"
 end if
pass opencard
end opencard

Regards

John

>
>Is there a currentCard property or function I can use? I'm going to 
>have an updateFields handler on each card that will update only the data 
>on that card.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Len Morgan
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From revdev at pdslabs.net  Wed Mar 28 01:50:12 2007
From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis)
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:50:12 -0700
Subject: How to tell if a stack has been edited
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703272123p32ee5b13pd73058de578f2b06@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860703272123p32ee5b13pd73058de578f2b06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <460A0214.60104@pdslabs.net>

Hi Sarah,

How is the data stored? In fields, custom props, ???

I'm thinking you might have to detect changes from messages fired (e.g. 
closeField) but I would love to be wrong.

I suppose you could get the md5digest of the stackfile at preopenstack time and 
store it in a global; then at closeStackRequest time you could do it again 
and... naaah, that assumes the stack was saved along the way.

Is there some kind of equivalent way to see if in-memory stuff has changed? I 
guess that's your basic question, isn't it?

Hmmm. This is less easy than one might wish. :o)  Please do tell us if you find 
a way.

Phil Davis


Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> Is there any way to tell if the data in a stack has been edited? I
> don't want to have to keep track of every field and record any changes
> so I am hoping there is a hidden property somewhere that can tell me
> this. It has to work in a standalone, not just in the IDE.
> 
> TIA,
> Sarah


From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Wed Mar 28 03:09:41 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 00:09:41 -0700
Subject: dictionary question
In-Reply-To: <C22ED240.23780%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <C22F62C5.237A9%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/27/07 1:53 PM, "Dick Kriesel" <dick.kriesel at mail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately, wordcentral.com doesn't expose the search string in the url.
> When I viewed the page's source I didn't recognize how to build the url.

http://www.wordcentral.com/cgi-bin/Search?foo*

Note the wildcard, which wordnet doesn't support.  Of course, wordnet is
vastly richer.

-- Dick




From simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk  Wed Mar 28 03:49:07 2007
From: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk (Simon HARPER)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:49:07 +0100
Subject: Newbie Question
Message-ID: <6373DE8A-54AB-4AA8-A0C7-1E55F3E890F8@manchester.ac.uk>

Hi there,
I'm trying to delete the selected rows in a list field - however to  
make this work I have to do it in reverse so deleting

2,3 out of say 1-5 doesn't work is line 3 is removed incorrectly -  
therefore I need to remove 3, 2

I'm trying this (when the 'delete' button is pressed) code fragment  
as part of the delete button, however,
   sort items of tLineList descending of each

doesn't seem to do anything, I wonder if you cold help me with what  
I'm getting wrong here - also is there a 'in reverse' option for the  
repeat loop?

on mouseUp
   put the hilitedlines of field "listCats" into tLineList
   split tLineList by comma
   sort items of tLineList descending of each
   repeat for each element tLineNumber in tLineList
     delete line tLineNumber of field "listCats"
   end repeat
   sort field "listCats" ascending
end mouseUp



Cheers
Si.

====
Simon Harper
2.44 Kilburn Building
University of Manchester (UK)

Pri: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk
Alt: sharper at cs.man.ac.uk




From dick.kriesel at mail.com  Wed Mar 28 04:11:24 2007
From: dick.kriesel at mail.com (Dick Kriesel)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 01:11:24 -0700
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <6373DE8A-54AB-4AA8-A0C7-1E55F3E890F8@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <C22F713C.237B0%dick.kriesel@mail.com>

On 3/28/07 12:49 AM, "Simon HARPER" <simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk> wrote:

> on mouseUp
>    put the hilitedlines of field "listCats" into tLineList
>    split tLineList by comma
>    sort items of tLineList descending of each
>    repeat for each element tLineNumber in tLineList
>      delete line tLineNumber of field "listCats"
>    end repeat
>    sort field "listCats" ascending
> end mouseUp

Try this, Simon:

on mouseUp
  put field "listCats" into tListCats
  put the hilitedlines of field "listCats" into tHilitedLines
  repeat with i = number of items in tHilitedLines down to 1
    delete line (item i of tHilitedLines) of tListCats
  end repeat
  put tListCats into field "listCats"
end mouseUp

Also, try using the dictionary.  The entry for "repeat" will help you.

-- Dick




From simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk  Wed Mar 28 04:54:58 2007
From: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk (Simon HARPER)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:54:58 +0100
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <C22F713C.237B0%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
References: <C22F713C.237B0%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
Message-ID: <88976240-8438-4DE6-831F-6ACD357F9133@manchester.ac.uk>

Thanks for this, and it's much appreciated.

Regarding the online dictionary, it seems to be different on the mac  
- the tutorials suggest you can use a drill down approach looking for  
say messages or commands and then locating the one you want  
(serendipitous browse) however on my mac I seem to only be presented  
with just a huge list and expected to know the name of the command I  
want (targeted search). Is there anyway to get the browse facility?

Cheers again
Si.

====
Simon Harper
2.44 Kilburn Building
University of Manchester (UK)

Pri: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk
Alt: sharper at cs.man.ac.uk


On 28 Mar 2007, at 09:11, Dick Kriesel wrote:

> On 3/28/07 12:49 AM, "Simon HARPER" <simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk>  
> wrote:
>
>> on mouseUp
>>    put the hilitedlines of field "listCats" into tLineList
>>    split tLineList by comma
>>    sort items of tLineList descending of each
>>    repeat for each element tLineNumber in tLineList
>>      delete line tLineNumber of field "listCats"
>>    end repeat
>>    sort field "listCats" ascending
>> end mouseUp
>
> Try this, Simon:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put field "listCats" into tListCats
>   put the hilitedlines of field "listCats" into tHilitedLines
>   repeat with i = number of items in tHilitedLines down to 1
>     delete line (item i of tHilitedLines) of tListCats
>   end repeat
>   put tListCats into field "listCats"
> end mouseUp
>
> Also, try using the dictionary.  The entry for "repeat" will help you.
>
> -- Dick
>
>
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From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar 28 10:52:57 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:52:57 -0600
Subject: How to tell if a stack has been edited
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703272123p32ee5b13pd73058de578f2b06@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860703272123p32ee5b13pd73058de578f2b06@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10D32E22-50E0-4F52-8841-68484051B88A@byu.edu>


On Mar 27, 2007, at 10:23 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> Is there any way to tell if the data in a stack has been edited? I
> don't want to have to keep track of every field and record any changes
> so I am hoping there is a hidden property somewhere that can tell me
> this. It has to work in a standalone, not just in the IDE.

This is just a wild thought, but maybe it would work. We know that  
you can store anything in a custom property, including a stack. What  
if, when you open a stack, you have an invisible stack that copies  
that stack into a custom prop. Then, at certain intervals, or after  
certain events, that same invisible stack copies the currently open  
stack into another custom prop. At that point you could either  
compare their sizes using a length function, or even check the two  
custom props for equality.

Seems possible.

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar 28 10:57:36 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:57:36 -0600
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <88976240-8438-4DE6-831F-6ACD357F9133@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <C22F713C.237B0%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<88976240-8438-4DE6-831F-6ACD357F9133@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <6EFF2D08-A85B-474A-A8E7-199E2C227E00@byu.edu>

Welcome, Simon.

On Mar 28, 2007, at 2:54 AM, Simon HARPER wrote:

> Thanks for this, and it's much appreciated.
>
> Regarding the online dictionary, it seems to be different on the  
> mac - the tutorials suggest you can use a drill down approach  
> looking for say messages or commands and then locating the one you  
> want (serendipitous browse) however on my mac I seem to only be  
> presented with just a huge list and expected to know the name of  
> the command I want (targeted search). Is there anyway to get the  
> browse facility?

The search facility is more of a filter search. It will search the  
glossary, dictionary, and getting started docs and will match any  
entry in which the search term occurs. So a good strategy is to  
search on a term you think describes the functionality you want to  
implement. Most likely you will find something that will lead you to  
what you need.

HTH

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Mar 28 11:13:18 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:13:18 -0700
Subject: How to tell if a stack has been edited
Message-ID: <460A860E.20302@fourthworld.com>

Devin Asay wrote:

> On Mar 27, 2007, at 10:23 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: 
>> Is there any way to tell if the data in a stack has been edited? I
>> don't want to have to keep track of every field and record any changes
>> so I am hoping there is a hidden property somewhere that can tell me
>> this. It has to work in a standalone, not just in the IDE.
> 
> This is just a wild thought, but maybe it would work. We know that  
> you can store anything in a custom property, including a stack. What  
> if, when you open a stack, you have an invisible stack that copies  
> that stack into a custom prop. Then, at certain intervals, or after  
> certain events, that same invisible stack copies the currently open  
> stack into another custom prop. At that point you could either  
> compare their sizes using a length function, or even check the two  
> custom props for equality.

You could even save space by just storing the MD5digest of the stack. 
Unfortunately I don't think it's possible at this time without first 
saving the stack file before the comparison, since we can use the 
contents of a variable as a stack but we can't yet put a stack into a 
variable except by reading it from disk.

I've submitted a BZ request for that:
<http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=577>

In the meantime, in my apps I just have a frontScript that traps for 
things like closeField and flags the stack as needing to be saved. 
While it takes some work to set up, it leaves me in total control over 
what constitutes a savable action.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk  Wed Mar 28 11:22:53 2007
From: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk (Simon HARPER)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:22:53 +0100
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <6EFF2D08-A85B-474A-A8E7-199E2C227E00@byu.edu>
References: <C22F713C.237B0%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<88976240-8438-4DE6-831F-6ACD357F9133@manchester.ac.uk>
	<6EFF2D08-A85B-474A-A8E7-199E2C227E00@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <DA472FB2-3B84-418A-A664-F7394A99C3EC@manchester.ac.uk>

Thanks for that, I'll keep on doing it this way but I think that  
better documentation would really help user uptake.


Cheers
Si.

====
Simon Harper
2.44 Kilburn Building
University of Manchester (UK)

Pri: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk
Alt: sharper at cs.man.ac.uk


On 28 Mar 2007, at 15:57, Devin Asay wrote:

> Welcome, Simon.
>
> On Mar 28, 2007, at 2:54 AM, Simon HARPER wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this, and it's much appreciated.
>>
>> Regarding the online dictionary, it seems to be different on the  
>> mac - the tutorials suggest you can use a drill down approach  
>> looking for say messages or commands and then locating the one you  
>> want (serendipitous browse) however on my mac I seem to only be  
>> presented with just a huge list and expected to know the name of  
>> the command I want (targeted search). Is there anyway to get the  
>> browse facility?
>
> The search facility is more of a filter search. It will search the  
> glossary, dictionary, and getting started docs and will match any  
> entry in which the search term occurs. So a good strategy is to  
> search on a term you think describes the functionality you want to  
> implement. Most likely you will find something that will lead you  
> to what you need.
>
> HTH
>
> Devin
>
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar 28 11:24:51 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:24:51 +0100
Subject: Problem with Fields
In-Reply-To: <000801c770ce$4dcf8cd0$e96ea670$@com>
References: <000801c770ce$4dcf8cd0$e96ea670$@com>
Message-ID: <284AB31D-BA75-417E-ACF7-85AD2B097C56@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I have the following Script on a number of fields:

on openField
   select the text of me
end openField

on closeField
end closeField

I want the whole of the field to be Selected when the user clicks  
into the field.

When I run this, the field gets selected (the focus border comes on),  
the field data is selected momentarily but then it gets deselected!

I have the following properties set on this field:

Visible
Don't Wrap
Opaque
Focusable
Focus Border
Tab on Return
Three Dimensional
Show Border

AutoHiLite

All the Rest are off.

I could swear this used to work fine, but I'm now using RunRev  
2.8.0.370 it seems to have stopped working. So I'm not sure if it's  
something else I've done or something that has changed in RunRev.

One other thing, the fields are part of a group which is part of  
another Group, not sure if this would cause a problem or not.

Any suggestions?

All the Best
Dave




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Wed Mar 28 11:49:53 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:49:53 +0200
Subject: Problem with Fields
In-Reply-To: <284AB31D-BA75-417E-ACF7-85AD2B097C56@looktowindward.com>
References: <000801c770ce$4dcf8cd0$e96ea670$@com>
	<284AB31D-BA75-417E-ACF7-85AD2B097C56@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <F43B3252-BEE3-46EE-B7E4-D2DF24FD962B@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Dave,

Probably you could use:

on openField
   send "SelectText" to me in 0 milliseconds
end openField
--------------------------
on SelectText
   select the text of the target
end SelectText

But I really don't understand the concept ;-)
 From an ergonomic point of view, I mean.
Nevertheless, keep in mind that sending messages instead of calling  
them directly may solve many problems...

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.

Le 28 mars 07 ? 17:24, Dave a ?crit :

> Hi,
>
> I have the following Script on a number of fields:
>
> on openField
>   select the text of me
> end openField
>
> on closeField
> end closeField
>
> I want the whole of the field to be Selected when the user clicks  
> into the field.
>
> When I run this, the field gets selected (the focus border comes  
> on), the field data is selected momentarily but then it gets  
> deselected!
>
> I have the following properties set on this field:
>
> Visible
> Don't Wrap
> Opaque
> Focusable
> Focus Border
> Tab on Return
> Three Dimensional
> Show Border
>
> AutoHiLite
>
> All the Rest are off.
>
> I could swear this used to work fine, but I'm now using RunRev  
> 2.8.0.370 it seems to have stopped working. So I'm not sure if it's  
> something else I've done or something that has changed in RunRev.
>
> One other thing, the fields are part of a group which is part of  
> another Group, not sure if this would cause a problem or not.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> All the Best
> Dave

----------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
----------------------------------------------------------------




From bvg at mac.com  Wed Mar 28 13:14:15 2007
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:14:15 +0200
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <DA472FB2-3B84-418A-A664-F7394A99C3EC@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <C22F713C.237B0%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<88976240-8438-4DE6-831F-6ACD357F9133@manchester.ac.uk>
	<6EFF2D08-A85B-474A-A8E7-199E2C227E00@byu.edu>
	<DA472FB2-3B84-418A-A664-F7394A99C3EC@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <0bd86911c877ac5816cc6c5bfef3446b@mac.com>


On 28 Mar 2007, at 17:22, Simon HARPER wrote:

> Thanks for that, I'll keep on doing it this way but I think that 
> better documentation would really help user uptake.

Due to reasons unknown to me, RunRev doesn't think that this is an 
urgent thing to change. I and other users disagree with their way of 
handling the issue, and it's heard that some people have made or are 
making their own front-end for the documentation, but I don't know when 
or if these will be made public.
Just to make this clear, RunRev wants to and does improve the 
documentation, but it's a very slow process, and it could well be that 
we see another year or more until anything noticeably changes.

Have fun nonetheless
Bj?rnke von Gierke

-- 

official ChatRev page:
http://chatrev.bjoernke.com

Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"



From cszasz at mac.com  Wed Mar 28 15:24:34 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 15:24:34 -0400
Subject: Disable menu item
Message-ID: <955F4C42-A63E-4E57-B959-19FF2135805E@mac.com>

I want to enable a menu item "Export" except when the user  is on a  
specific card.

I have tried this and  other scripts:

if card of group "menubar 1 of stack "x" = the name of card "index"
     then
       send mouseUp to button "export" of card "index"
end if

But I keep getting bad expression messages.  I have searched the  
archives for an example but I cannot find one to enable a menu item  
when on a specific card.

Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 28 15:48:41 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 12:48:41 -0700
Subject: Disable menu item
In-Reply-To: <955F4C42-A63E-4E57-B959-19FF2135805E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C23014A9.4481E%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

> if card of group "menubar 1 of stack "x" = the name of card "index"
I am not sure what this is testing.
What are you trying to do here, because ...

--->   card of group "menubar 1 of stack "x"  <--
does not make any sense
--wrong number of quote characters
--bad card reference
--is there a stack named "x" ?

card 'what' of group "menubar1  ????
this  ??
card 1 ??

Do you want (the short name of card "index"), which is "index"



Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/28/07 12:24 PM, "Charles Szasz" <cszasz at mac.com> wrote:

> I want to enable a menu item "Export" except when the user  is on a
> specific card.
> 
> I have tried this and  other scripts:
> 
> if card of group "menubar 1 of stack "x" = the name of card "index"
>      then
>        send mouseUp to button "export" of card "index"
> end if
> 
> But I keep getting bad expression messages.  I have searched the
> archives for an example but I cannot find one to enable a menu item
> when on a specific card.




From cszasz at mac.com  Wed Mar 28 18:55:55 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:55:55 -0400
Subject: Disable menu item
Message-ID: <B3F13F6D-D52E-45B2-B1B8-50CD45AF3B1A@mac.com>

Jim,

I want to make a menu item only available when the user is on a  
specific card ("index") of stack x. I have tried various scripts to  
identify which card the user is on to so that the menu would only be  
accessible from that card. I thought the only way to do this is to  
the identify the card on which the menubar "memubar" is on.



Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From cszasz at mac.com  Wed Mar 28 19:04:40 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:04:40 -0400
Subject: Disable menu item
Message-ID: <CAB36754-35F4-4A2E-9658-CACC6F45586D@mac.com>

Jim,

I forgot to include my latest script:
case "Export..."
     if field "vmiFld" of card index > "" or field "nvmiFld" of card  
index > "" \
         or field "cmiFld" of card index > "" or field "vdriFld" of  
card index > "" \
         or field "aciFld" of card index > "" or field "sriFld" of  
card index > "" \
         or field "friFld" of card index > "" or field "ariFld" of  
card index > "" \
         or field "liFld" of card index > "" and name of card = card  
"index"
         then
       enable line 2 of button "file"
       send mouseUp to button "export" of card "index"
     else
       answer information "You must have some results before you can  
export."
     end if
     break
The script works except for the last part ----name of card = card  
"index"


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From devin_asay at byu.edu  Wed Mar 28 19:11:34 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:11:34 -0600
Subject: Disable menu item
In-Reply-To: <CAB36754-35F4-4A2E-9658-CACC6F45586D@mac.com>
References: <CAB36754-35F4-4A2E-9658-CACC6F45586D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B75CE3B7-7E70-42A2-B9B9-227CD2FB6448@byu.edu>


On Mar 28, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Charles Szasz wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I forgot to include my latest script:
> case "Export..."
>     if field "vmiFld" of card index > "" or field "nvmiFld" of card  
> index > "" \
>         or field "cmiFld" of card index > "" or field "vdriFld" of  
> card index > "" \
>         or field "aciFld" of card index > "" or field "sriFld" of  
> card index > "" \
>         or field "friFld" of card index > "" or field "ariFld" of  
> card index > "" \
>         or field "liFld" of card index > "" and name of card = card  
> "index"
>         then
>       enable line 2 of button "file"
>       send mouseUp to button "export" of card "index"
>     else
>       answer information "You must have some results before you can  
> export."
>     end if
>     break
> The script works except for the last part ----name of card = card  
> "index"

Try:
  the short name of this cd = "index" then ...


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar 28 19:27:46 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:27:46 +0200
Subject: Disable menu item
In-Reply-To: <CAB36754-35F4-4A2E-9658-CACC6F45586D@mac.com>
References: <CAB36754-35F4-4A2E-9658-CACC6F45586D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B715AA8A-091F-45AB-8A7B-07965A5B7B5F@maseurope.net>

Charles, you might find it a bit more manageable to check the fields  
in a repeat loop:

put false into resultsExist
repeat for each item i in  
"vmiFld,nvmiFld,cmiFld,vdriFld,aciFld,sriFld,friFld,ariFld,liFld"
   if fld i of card "index" is not empty then put true into resultsExist
end repeat
if not allFieldsAreEmpty AND the short name of this cd is "index" then
   enable line 2 of btn "file"
   send mouseUp to button "export" of card "index"
else

etc....


Best,

Mark

On 29 Mar 2007, at 01:04, Charles Szasz wrote:

> Jim,
>
> I forgot to include my latest script:
> case "Export..."
>     if field "vmiFld" of card index > "" or field "nvmiFld" of card  
> index > "" \
>         or field "cmiFld" of card index > "" or field "vdriFld" of  
> card index > "" \
>         or field "aciFld" of card index > "" or field "sriFld" of  
> card index > "" \
>         or field "friFld" of card index > "" or field "ariFld" of  
> card index > "" \
>         or field "liFld" of card index > "" and name of card = card  
> "index"
>         then
>       enable line 2 of button "file"
>       send mouseUp to button "export" of card "index"
>     else
>       answer information "You must have some results before you can  
> export."
>     end if
>     break
> The script works except for the last part ----name of card = card  
> "index"
>
>
> Charles Szasz
> cszasz at mac.com
>
>
>
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From mark at maseurope.net  Wed Mar 28 19:29:41 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:29:41 +0200
Subject: Disable menu item
In-Reply-To: <B715AA8A-091F-45AB-8A7B-07965A5B7B5F@maseurope.net>
References: <CAB36754-35F4-4A2E-9658-CACC6F45586D@mac.com>
	<B715AA8A-091F-45AB-8A7B-07965A5B7B5F@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <4AAA1E40-97D0-42E5-8C3E-7CE1513AC42D@maseurope.net>

Sorry, that should have been:

put false into resultsExist
repeat for each item i in  
"vmiFld,nvmiFld,cmiFld,vdriFld,aciFld,sriFld,friFld,ariFld,liFld"
   if fld i of card "index" is not empty then put true into resultsExist
end repeat
if resultsExist AND the short name of this cd is "index" then
   enable line 2 of btn "file"
   send mouseUp to button "export" of card "index"
else

etc....

Best,

Mark


From dave at looktowindward.com  Wed Mar 28 20:04:20 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 01:04:20 +0100
Subject: Problem with Fields
In-Reply-To: <F43B3252-BEE3-46EE-B7E4-D2DF24FD962B@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <000801c770ce$4dcf8cd0$e96ea670$@com>
	<284AB31D-BA75-417E-ACF7-85AD2B097C56@looktowindward.com>
	<F43B3252-BEE3-46EE-B7E4-D2DF24FD962B@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <FC534643-ADE1-4F72-B906-F5577B960289@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I have a number of fields that the user can change. When they select  
a field I want its old contents selected so that if they start to  
type it overwrites the current contents. If they want to edit the  
contents then they click again to de-select the text.

I tried your suggestion and it worked! Not sure why though?

The reason I added it without using the "send" command was because in  
the documentation for "openField" it says:

Examples:
on openField -- when clicking in the field, select all its text
   select text of the target
end openField

Which is exactly what I want to do!

All the Best
Dave

openField

Type: message

Syntax: openField

Objects (or Types): field

See Also: closeField message, exitField message, focusIn message,  
select command, selection keyword

Introduced: 1.0

Changed: 1.0

Platform Support:

Summary:
Sent to an unlocked field when you click or select text in that field.

Examples:
on openField -- when clicking in the field, select all its text
   select text of the target
end openField


Handle the openField message if you want to do something when the  
user enters a field.

Comments:
The openField message is sent to buttons whose menuMode is  
"comboBox", since the type-in box in a combo box behaves like a field.

The openField message is not sent to locked fields. When a locked  
field becomes active (focused) or when text in it is selected by a  
handler, the focusIn message is sent to it.


On 28 Mar 2007, at 16:49, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Probably you could use:
>
> on openField
>   send "SelectText" to me in 0 milliseconds
> end openField
> --------------------------
> on SelectText
>   select the text of the target
> end SelectText
>
> But I really don't understand the concept ;-)
> From an ergonomic point of view, I mean.
> Nevertheless, keep in mind that sending messages instead of calling  
> them directly may solve many problems...
>
> Best regards from Paris,
> Eric Chatonet.
>
> Le 28 mars 07 ? 17:24, Dave a ?crit :
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have the following Script on a number of fields:
>>
>> on openField
>>   select the text of me
>> end openField
>>
>> on closeField
>> end closeField
>>
>> I want the whole of the field to be Selected when the user clicks  
>> into the field.
>>
>> When I run this, the field gets selected (the focus border comes  
>> on), the field data is selected momentarily but then it gets  
>> deselected!
>>
>> I have the following properties set on this field:
>>
>> Visible
>> Don't Wrap
>> Opaque
>> Focusable
>> Focus Border
>> Tab on Return
>> Three Dimensional
>> Show Border
>>
>> AutoHiLite
>>
>> All the Rest are off.
>>
>> I could swear this used to work fine, but I'm now using RunRev  
>> 2.8.0.370 it seems to have stopped working. So I'm not sure if  
>> it's something else I've done or something that has changed in  
>> RunRev.
>>
>> One other thing, the fields are part of a group which is part of  
>> another Group, not sure if this would cause a problem or not.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> All the Best
>> Dave



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 28 20:24:56 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 17:24:56 -0700
Subject: Problem with Fields
In-Reply-To: <FC534643-ADE1-4F72-B906-F5577B960289@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <C2305568.4483A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/28/07 5:04 PM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a number of fields that the user can change. When they select
> a field I want its old contents selected so that if they start to
> type it overwrites the current contents. If they want to edit the
> contents then they click again to de-select the text.
> 
> I tried your suggestion and it worked! Not sure why though?
> 
> The reason I added it without using the "send" command was because in
> the documentation for "openField" it says:
> 
> Examples:
> on openField -- when clicking in the field, select all its text
>    select text of the target
> end openField
> 
> Which is exactly what I want to do!
There are other issues with events and messages...

You might have to "lock messages" or deal with the traversal or focusOut, or
other events that could occur just after the openfield message is sent.
Perhaps you needed to "pass openfield" so that Rev will know that it
happened.  Interface interactivity is not my area, so I am just guessing
here.

The 'send' technique in effect says "let all other things happen, then
select text"

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Mar 28 20:30:58 2007
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:30:58 -0600
Subject: Hiding a nonRev file in a Windows Standalone
In-Reply-To: <46095CC6.8060505@howsoft.com>
References: <46095CC6.8060505@howsoft.com>
Message-ID: <7aa52a210703281730h68b9924drd3d536071146a8e9@mail.gmail.com>

Check out:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number6/default.htm
and the tip there for how to embed a file into a stack.


From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Wed Mar 28 20:32:41 2007
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (ron)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:32:41 -0400
Subject: unicodeText or raw text
In-Reply-To: <AF001345-33A3-4062-ADA0-997B72C4BC0F@kenjikojima.com>
References: <1e91b2b70703221903j1cad1055w9874e0e148e26e61@mail.gmail.com>
	<90DD15E6-A6F2-427D-82E7-4FB5B4A824E7@byu.edu>
	<AF001345-33A3-4062-ADA0-997B72C4BC0F@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <c5dc0ae98522a2c0cd393f65c84f3433@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Greetings,

I am saving Japanese text as unicodetext to a file on a Mac but it 
seems to be saved as raw text. That is, when the file is doubleclicked 
and opens Textedit, it shows raw unicode, not Japanese. If Textedit's 
preferences are set to open text files as UTF16, then it opens the file 
and displays Japanese properly. If the file is opened in Textedit as 
plain text but then saved as UTF16 with no other changes, it displays 
Japanese properly on subsequent opens.

Is there a way to indicate that the textfile of unicoded text is indeed 
UTF16 so that it displays properly in text editors?

Thanks
Ron

ps I am aware of the options of rtftext and htmltext so you don't have 
to suggest those as alternative ways save the text. I need the plain 
text option as well.



From mpetrides at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 28 21:50:19 2007
From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:50:19 -0500
Subject: Vista offer :-)))
In-Reply-To: <460A860E.20302@fourthworld.com>
References: <460A860E.20302@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <08B0AF0C-D410-42CE-B2B5-55E018FEF779@earthlink.net>

If any of  you are sitting on the fence about the Vista Business  
upgrade that you can get free if you either buy a full version or an  
early update version of Rev Enterprise, let me be the first to say  
that my upgrade just arrived (I did the early update about 10 days  
ago) from Amazon (US).  Sweet!  Haven't installed it yet... we know  
what my weekend is going to look like.

I know there was some grumbling a while ago about bonus DVDs not  
arriving on time.  That didn't sound like the way Run Rev does  
business--in my experience they keep their promises in a timely  
fashion.  So I thought I'd reassure people that the Vista upgrades  
are getting shipped promptly and arriving earlier than I ever  
expected.  If memory serves, y'all still have a day or two to take  
advantage of this generous offer. Go for it!!

Thanks, Run Rev!

Marian


From userev at canelasoftware.com  Wed Mar 28 22:04:42 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 19:04:42 -0700
Subject: Vista offer :-)))
In-Reply-To: <08B0AF0C-D410-42CE-B2B5-55E018FEF779@earthlink.net>
References: <460A860E.20302@fourthworld.com>
	<08B0AF0C-D410-42CE-B2B5-55E018FEF779@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <036EEA26-F286-4BEF-9F9B-F29923AA7738@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 28, 2007, at 6:50 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:

> If any of  you are sitting on the fence about the Vista Business  
> upgrade that you can get free if you either buy a full version or  
> an early update version of Rev Enterprise, let me be the first to  
> say that my upgrade just arrived (I did the early update about 10  
> days ago) from Amazon (US).  Sweet!  Haven't installed it yet... we  
> know what my weekend is going to look like.
>
> I know there was some grumbling a while ago about bonus DVDs not  
> arriving on time.  That didn't sound like the way Run Rev does  
> business--in my experience they keep their promises in a timely  
> fashion.  So I thought I'd reassure people that the Vista upgrades  
> are getting shipped promptly and arriving earlier than I ever  
> expected.  If memory serves, y'all still have a day or two to take  
> advantage of this generous offer. Go for it!!

My copy of Vista via the upgrade deal through Rev arrived yesterday.   
I have installed it on Parallels.  It is working just fine.  The  
performance is much better than I had expected.  I find the usability  
to be very close to XP.  I am using the software on a MBP with 2 GB Ram.


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From index at kenjikojima.com  Wed Mar 28 22:08:48 2007
From: index at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:08:48 -0400
Subject: unicodeText or raw text
In-Reply-To: <c5dc0ae98522a2c0cd393f65c84f3433@yhb.att.ne.jp>
References: <1e91b2b70703221903j1cad1055w9874e0e148e26e61@mail.gmail.com>
	<90DD15E6-A6F2-427D-82E7-4FB5B4A824E7@byu.edu>
	<AF001345-33A3-4062-ADA0-997B72C4BC0F@kenjikojima.com>
	<c5dc0ae98522a2c0cd393f65c84f3433@yhb.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <FA71F865-4760-4CA6-9B76-48917EE18BE2@kenjikojima.com>

Ron,

Did you put a BOM before the text.

set the useUnicode to true
put numToChar(baseConvert("FEFF",16,10)) into tBom
ask file "" with "jpn_bomUtf16.txt"
put tBom & the unicodeText of fld 1 into URL ("binfile:" & it)

--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/



On Mar 28, 2007, at 8:32 PM, ron wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I am saving Japanese text as unicodetext to a file on a Mac but it  
> seems to be saved as raw text. That is, when the file is  
> doubleclicked and opens Textedit, it shows raw unicode, not  
> Japanese. If Textedit's preferences are set to open text files as  
> UTF16, then it opens the file and displays Japanese properly. If  
> the file is opened in Textedit as plain text but then saved as  
> UTF16 with no other changes, it displays Japanese properly on  
> subsequent opens.
>
> Is there a way to indicate that the textfile of unicoded text is  
> indeed UTF16 so that it displays properly in text editors?
>
> Thanks
> Ron
>
> ps I am aware of the options of rtftext and htmltext so you don't  
> have to suggest those as alternative ways save the text. I need the  
> plain text option as well.
>
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From bill at igame3d.com  Wed Mar 28 23:01:05 2007
From: bill at igame3d.com (Bill at iGame3D)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:01:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <419D3860-1589-4BA2-A2BF-BBB5E5E24FD6@dvcreators.net>
References: <E2B51F21-5EFA-4485-9740-604469BDAD44@dvcreators.net>
	<f73a98160703261905t49e5bfddic30ef987a8deee5@mail.gmail.com>
	<419D3860-1589-4BA2-A2BF-BBB5E5E24FD6@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <9726381.post@talk.nabble.com>



Josh Mellicker wrote:
> 
> On Mar 26, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:
> This stack has been super helpful to me over the last couple days,  
> anyone try it out?
> http://leapingbrain.com/stacks/exportscripts.rev.zip
> 

Sure did. I've been exporting scripts from stacks for ages.
I prefered a system that used folder hiearchies.
Only used my exports once in while but they do help.

This exporter is nice and quick, but...
After much applescript file name processing I have a 512 file result from
exportScripts.rev
http://www.igame3d.com/rev/text/ig3d_ui_main/
http://www.igame3d.com/rev/text/ig3d_ui_main/ 

Yeah I should have done the web friendly naming in the stack, but at 4AM
an apple script menu  is less prone to bugs than scripting someone elses
stack.

I would totally love to be able to process those scripts out to look like
this:
http://www.igame3d.com/rev/testheader.html
http://www.igame3d.com/rev/testheader.html 

And somehow keep track of and comment on revisions in something like this:

go stack URL "http://www.igame3d.com/rev/scriptHarvesterig3d032807.rev"

Getting colorized and formatted scripts on the web with 
example pictures and comments and keeping track of seperate files
that process creates is a nightmare that makes me avoid making
documentation.

It would be great if there was a one or three click solution for that.
Screensteps is almost there.

Mr Bill

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From jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr  Thu Mar 29 01:10:31 2007
From: jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr (Jean-Pierre)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:10:31 +0200
Subject: Can't write in field ...
Message-ID: <7DCA4D7E-274A-4D6E-8D4F-7273527B738C@wanadoo.fr>

I 'm sure that it was a stupid things but ...

I have made a programm for my son. Programm making fractal ...
All work fine but ...

I can't write in field. I can focus on it. I have the prompt but I  
can't  input text  ....

Thank You ..

From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 01:39:44 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 22:39:44 -0700
Subject: Can't write in field ...
In-Reply-To: <7DCA4D7E-274A-4D6E-8D4F-7273527B738C@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <C2309F30.4487C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/28/07 10:10 PM, "Jean-Pierre" <jean-pierre.soto at wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> I 'm sure that it was a stupid things but ...
> 
> I have made a programm for my son. Programm making fractal ...
> All work fine but ...
> 
> I can't write in field. I can focus on it. I have the prompt but I
> can't  input text  ....
Do this and see if we can help

-----1
paste the following 3 lines in to the message box in multi-line mode
(of course, use the field in your stack)

get the properties of fld 1
combine it using cr and tab
put it
---------2
then copy the result in the lower pane, paste it into an email so we can see
what the properties are.   Also, is there a script that is triggered on
rawkeydown (or such) that would be intercepting the key strokes?

Jim Ault
Las Vegas
-----example output for a field is 68 lines long, including spaces
altId    0
autoHilite    false
autoTab    false
blendLevel    0
borderWidth    2
cantSelect    false
colors    







disabled    true
dontSearch    false
dontWrap    true
firstIndent    0
fixedLineHeight    true
hGrid    false
hScroll    0
hScrollbar    false
hilitedLines    
htmlText    <p>JPEG Quality</p>
id    1142
ink    srcCopy
layer    26
listBehavior    false
lockLoc    true
lockText    true
margins    8
multipleHilites    false
name    CompLabel
noncontiguousHilites    false
opaque    false
patterns    







rect    1104,608,1230,629
scroll    0
scrollbarWidth    20
shadow    false
shadowOffset    4
sharedText    true
showBorder    false
showFocusBorder    true
showLines    false
style    transparent
tabStops    
textAlign    center
textFont    
textHeight    
textSize    
textStyle    
threeD    true
threeDHilite    false
toggleHilites    false
toolTip    
traversalOn    false
vGrid    false
vScroll    0
vScrollbar    false
visible    true
-------------------------------------- end of list




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 29 01:39:56 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:39:56 -0500
Subject: Can't write in field ...
In-Reply-To: <7DCA4D7E-274A-4D6E-8D4F-7273527B738C@wanadoo.fr>
References: <7DCA4D7E-274A-4D6E-8D4F-7273527B738C@wanadoo.fr>
Message-ID: <20070329003956759139.0dc0510c@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:10:31 +0200, Jean-Pierre wrote:

> I 'm sure that it was a stupid things but ...
> 
> I have made a programm for my son. Programm making fractal ...
> All work fine but ...
> 
> I can't write in field. I can focus on it. I have the prompt but I 
> can't  input text  ....

Do you hae any code in the field that traps keyDown, rawKeyDown, keyUp, 
or rawKeyUp? If so, check to see if you're doing a "pass" on the 
message, otherwise nothing will show up in the field.

If not check to see if the lockText is on on the field - if so, turn it 
off...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Mar 29 02:18:29 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:18:29 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: exportscripts.rev
References: <9726381.post@talk.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <460B5A35.000001.01492@MAZYTIS>

Cool! But one may end with hundreds of files this way... What about
exporting to an xml along with properties of stacks, cards and objects? And
then its just one step towards importing back into Revolution ide ;-) Then
everyone could use "my favorite script editor" to edit Revolution scripts
without hassle :-) 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 29 02:31:12 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 23:31:12 -0700
Subject: exportscripts.rev
Message-ID: <460B5D30.1000104@fourthworld.com>

Viktoras Didziulis wrote:
 > What about exporting to an xml along with properties of stacks,
 > cards and objects? And then its just one step towards importing
 > back into Revolution ide ;-)

What does one do with scripts outside of the IDE that can't be done 
directly in the IDE?

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com



From simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk  Thu Mar 29 03:45:26 2007
From: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk (Simon HARPER)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:45:26 +0100
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <0bd86911c877ac5816cc6c5bfef3446b@mac.com>
References: <C22F713C.237B0%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<88976240-8438-4DE6-831F-6ACD357F9133@manchester.ac.uk>
	<6EFF2D08-A85B-474A-A8E7-199E2C227E00@byu.edu>
	<DA472FB2-3B84-418A-A664-F7394A99C3EC@manchester.ac.uk>
	<0bd86911c877ac5816cc6c5bfef3446b@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E0FF11BD-4D3A-493A-900F-F2BBDAD6B6C0@manchester.ac.uk>

Thanks for that - It seems strange to me too.


Cheers
Si.

====
Simon Harper
2.44 Kilburn Building
University of Manchester (UK)

Pri: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk
Alt: sharper at cs.man.ac.uk


On 28 Mar 2007, at 18:14, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

>
> On 28 Mar 2007, at 17:22, Simon HARPER wrote:
>
>> Thanks for that, I'll keep on doing it this way but I think that  
>> better documentation would really help user uptake.
>
> Due to reasons unknown to me, RunRev doesn't think that this is an  
> urgent thing to change. I and other users disagree with their way  
> of handling the issue, and it's heard that some people have made or  
> are making their own front-end for the documentation, but I don't  
> know when or if these will be made public.
> Just to make this clear, RunRev wants to and does improve the  
> documentation, but it's a very slow process, and it could well be  
> that we see another year or more until anything noticeably changes.
>
> Have fun nonetheless
> Bj?rnke von Gierke
>
> -- 
>
> official ChatRev page:
> http://chatrev.bjoernke.com
>
> Chat with other RunRev developers:
> go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev"
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Mar 29 04:29:59 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:29:59 +0200
Subject: Problem with Fields
In-Reply-To: <FC534643-ADE1-4F72-B906-F5577B960289@looktowindward.com>
References: <000801c770ce$4dcf8cd0$e96ea670$@com>
	<284AB31D-BA75-417E-ACF7-85AD2B097C56@looktowindward.com>
	<F43B3252-BEE3-46EE-B7E4-D2DF24FD962B@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<FC534643-ADE1-4F72-B906-F5577B960289@looktowindward.com>
Message-ID: <596E0546-B088-4F83-B6B7-2AF9174D5793@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi,

Le 29 mars 07 ? 02:04, Dave a ?crit :

> I tried your suggestion and it worked! Not sure why though?
>
> The reason I added it without using the "send" command was because  
> in the documentation for "openField" it says:
>
> Examples:
> on openField -- when clicking in the field, select all its text
>   select text of the target
> end openField
>
> Which is exactly what I want to do!

Documentation example works well if the autoHilite of the field is  
set to false but it makes really no sense to set an editable field  
without autoHilite...
Rev docs are very weak for beginners: they have been made for those  
who know yet...
And I agree: it's a pity :-(
BTW, using the 2.7 (and later) search engine allows to retrieve all  
occurrences of any expression in the dictionary: sometimes it may  
help...

Best regards from Paris,
Eric Chatonet.
----------------------------------------------------------------
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eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
----------------------------------------------------------------




From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Mar 29 04:45:36 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:45:36 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: exportscripts.rev
References: <460B5D30.1000104@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <460B7CB0.000001.03536@MAZYTIS>

It is just a matter of personal preference, an alternative way of editing in
an environment the user is used to for his other scripting tools (like Perl,
PHP, HTML/Javascript, SQL, XML, Fortran, whatever else). On MS Windows my
personal preference is Crimson editor. I am too addicted to its tools,
editing options, syntax hiliting, lower/upper case switching, text encoding,
capitalizing or case invertions, find an replace using regular expressions,
some other options like tabbed browsing in a single window instead of having
multiple windows scattered all around the screen (one needs extended desktop
to fit them all), etc... Its just because I had been using it for 5 years
before I purchased Revolution and feel at home in that environment, and it
comes at no cost at all... 
 
In Revolution script editor I can't print tabs, find and replace phrases (e
g. change names of globals) in ALL scripts of any stack with a single click
(or is this option hidden somewhere?), find and replace using regular
expressions, line numbering is absent (yes I know I can browse by handler,
but it is just an option), standard shortcut keys and context menus not
always behave as expected - e.g. on right click on a selected text Rev Ide
opens documentation window instead of contextual menu. When pasting portions
of script from formatted text outside RevIDE (web page, etc...), it does not
adopt fonts to script's font settings and you have to adjust font sizes
manually again and again, etc... I can imagine somebody else having
completely different preferences, in fact many different preferences and
tastes, so that's why I think one may need the scripts outside the
Revolution IDE. 
 
All the best! 
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Richard Gaskin 
Date: 03/29/07 09:31:31 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Re: exportscripts.rev 
 
Viktoras Didziulis wrote: 
> What about exporting to an xml along with properties of stacks, 
> cards and objects? And then its just one step towards importing 
> back into Revolution ide ;-) 
 
What does one do with scripts outside of the IDE that can't be done 
directly in the IDE? 
 
-- 
Richard Gaskin 
Fourth World Media Corporation 
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Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com 
 
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Mar 29 04:55:42 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:55:42 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: exportscripts.rev
References: <460B7CB0.000001.03536@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <460B7F0E.000003.03536@MAZYTIS>

 
 
And I forgot to mention that undo/redo in Revolution script editor is very
limited... But Revolution is still my favorite RAD anyway :-) 
Sorry for this additional post :-( 
 
Best! 
Viktoras


From jp.poccard at neuf.fr  Thu Mar 29 05:32:09 2007
From: jp.poccard at neuf.fr (Jean-Paul Poccard)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:32:09 +0200
Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 42, Issue 62
In-Reply-To: <20070328170007.CB61B488F1D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070328170007.CB61B488F1D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <79c431de38be88caa5604cff0328d62e@NEUF.FR>


Le 28 mars 07, ? 19:00, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com a ?crit 
:

> How to tell if a stack has been edited

I have had  to   customize a file menu and choose wether "save"  or 
"save as" had to be displayed,
Is this the kind of problem you are confronted with ?

I found among the rev functions this one :

"REVSaveCheck"   which  contains this test :
   "If gREVStackStatus [pStack] is edited then " ....

It works in my standalone,  may be because I have copied  
"revsavecheck"  (and some handlers called by REVSaveCheck) in my own 
stack (I had to customize  the dialogs which were inside).

You will surely find how to take advantage of it  faster than  I verify 
how exactly works my customized menu, which handlers  have not been 
written or modified according to the guidelines of smart programming.

Cordialement

Jean-Paul.


From jp.poccard at neuf.fr  Thu Mar 29 05:45:26 2007
From: jp.poccard at neuf.fr (Jean-Paul Poccard)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:45:26 +0200
Subject: How to tell if a stack has been edited (OUPS !)
In-Reply-To: <20070328170007.CB61B488F1D@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070328170007.CB61B488F1D@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0ec2053b2731b52eb3c5bce7b82ac98c@NEUF.FR>

Sorry , I forgot filling the subject  field  in the mail I just sent.

This is a copy of the  previous mail :

Le 28 mars 07, ? 19:00, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com a ?crit 
:

> How to tell if a stack has been edited

I have had  to   customize a file menu and choose wether "save"  or 
"save as" had to be displayed,
Is this the kind of problem you are confronted with ?

I found among the rev functions this one :

"REVSaveCheck"   which  contains this test :
   "If gREVStackStatus [pStack] is edited then " ....

It works in my standalone,  may be because I have copied  
"revsavecheck"  (and some handlers called by REVSaveCheck) in my own 
stack (I had to customize  the dialogs which were inside).

You will surely find how to take advantage of it  faster than  I verify 
how exactly works my customized menu, which handlers  have not been 
written or modified according to the guidelines of smart programming.

Cordialement

Jean-Paul.
  


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 07:05:51 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:05:51 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Tutorial Videos
Message-ID: <648837.89541.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know where the tutorial videos are cached
once they are downloaded?

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 07:15:11 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:15:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Newbie Question
Message-ID: <513458.94004.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I beleive one of the main reasons RR does not spend a
lot of time and resources on updating documentation is
because a very large number of programmers don't read
the documentation in anything but a cursory manner -
relying on their intuition, their past experience and
their willingness ot "get their feet wet" instead.

When I was learning PASCAL (Durham, 1984) the standard
joke going around the computer labs was that the last
person to write a computer programming manual had had
a mausoleum constructed out of unsold copies.

I have yet to read a really user-friendly programming
manual as most computer-programmers who write manuals
do not seem to spend a lot of time on audience
research or the finer points of reader-response
theory.

The other reason why RR may not take their
documentation too seriously is that, in my experience,
the best manual I am aware of for Runtime Revolution
is this Use-List - it is dynamic, adaptive and
generally very friendly.

I am always happy, either on or off-list, to answer
the most basic Newbie questions: 

geradamas at yahoo dot com

richmond at mail dot maclaunch dot com

There are many contributors to this list who can
answer both those basic ones, and more tricky ones, in
a way far better than I can.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk  Thu Mar 29 07:27:03 2007
From: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk (Simon HARPER)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:27:03 +0100
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <513458.94004.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <513458.94004.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <071C6FAA-B608-4EBA-9993-3375057F5CEF@manchester.ac.uk>

Hi there, and I do agree that, as a coder of 15 years, I would  
normally go on gut instinct. However, being used to c/c++, Java and  
Perl the Revolution Transcript syntax and expressions are not  
'natural' for me, as I'm trained to think in the more mathematical  
syntax of these grammars and not the more discursive grammar of  
Transcript. I'm sure I'll get it with persistence but I just think  
that coders moving over could really do with good documentation as it  
just is not intuitive for a people with experience of these other  
'conventional' languages, IMO.

However, having said that I'm actually really enjoying learning it  
and am persisting because I can see long term benefits of using  
Revolution as a RAD tool. Having said this I've another question  
which I'll send as a separate email...

Cheers
Si.

====
Simon Harper
2.44 Kilburn Building
University of Manchester (UK)

Pri: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk
Alt: sharper at cs.man.ac.uk


On 29 Mar 2007, at 12:15, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> I beleive one of the main reasons RR does not spend a
> lot of time and resources on updating documentation is
> because a very large number of programmers don't read
> the documentation in anything but a cursory manner -
> relying on their intuition, their past experience and
> their willingness ot "get their feet wet" instead.
>
> When I was learning PASCAL (Durham, 1984) the standard
> joke going around the computer labs was that the last
> person to write a computer programming manual had had
> a mausoleum constructed out of unsold copies.
>
> I have yet to read a really user-friendly programming
> manual as most computer-programmers who write manuals
> do not seem to spend a lot of time on audience
> research or the finer points of reader-response
> theory.
>
> The other reason why RR may not take their
> documentation too seriously is that, in my experience,
> the best manual I am aware of for Runtime Revolution
> is this Use-List - it is dynamic, adaptive and
> generally very friendly.
>
> I am always happy, either on or off-list, to answer
> the most basic Newbie questions:
>
> geradamas at yahoo dot com
>
> richmond at mail dot maclaunch dot com
>
> There are many contributors to this list who can
> answer both those basic ones, and more tricky ones, in
> a way far better than I can.
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development  
> Life Cycle.
> ____________________________________________________________
>
>
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From simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk  Thu Mar 29 07:31:58 2007
From: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk (Simon HARPER)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:31:58 +0100
Subject: Variable transfers Between Stacks and Sub-Stacks.
Message-ID: <1278EA3A-D305-4FA6-8346-2DD48540EECC@manchester.ac.uk>

Hi there,

So I've a main stack and sub-stack for preferences. I save and load  
the variables as a stack (not text of xml - just yet) when I open and  
close the substack. However, is there best practice for how to load  
the variables on startup of the mainstack and then use them in the  
mainstack - refereshing if people change the preferences (in the sub- 
stack) while the application is running?

I'm sure this must be done a lot but I wonder if there is an accepted  
best way. Also, would I just define a global variable for inter-stack  
variables?

Cheers
Si.

====
Simon Harper
2.44 Kilburn Building
University of Manchester (UK)

Pri: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk
Alt: sharper at cs.man.ac.uk




From wdurden at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 07:37:44 2007
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:37:44 -0400
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
Message-ID: <29bc7bd40703290437s1140ee83sac82cca5586af7d8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone!  Just wondering offhand if anyone has an already done cgi that
accepts a single email address line from a form and adds it to a text file?
One that finds it and deletes the line from the text file would be great for
managing the unsubscribe part too.

I am replacing perl cgi's and have found the process somewhat frustrating.
No matter how simple the tasks are, it seems there are an abundance of
places to make simple mistakes and very little feedback from the server
letting me know where I have goofed this time.  This lies somewhere between
the examples in Jaqueline's excellent tutorial.  It would seem to be just a
hair north of the visitor counter and far south of the stack database, but
despite getting both those working in a flash, this is giving me a
headache.  I don't want anyone to cook one up fresh for me, I can wade
through the process eventually.  I also need the list of lines in a text
file, not a stack.  If I have one that is working somewhere else, it cuts
down the combinatorial madness of isolating where the errors are (i.e.
permissions, form action, etc....).

Thanks to anyone, if you have one to share.

Wayne


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 07:52:15 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:52:15 +1000
Subject: Variable transfers Between Stacks and Sub-Stacks.
In-Reply-To: <1278EA3A-D305-4FA6-8346-2DD48540EECC@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <1278EA3A-D305-4FA6-8346-2DD48540EECC@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703290452l3ad5f057xf44e4bd46c5c8811@mail.gmail.com>

> So I've a main stack and sub-stack for preferences. I save and load
> the variables as a stack (not text of xml - just yet) when I open and
> close the substack. However, is there best practice for how to load
> the variables on startup of the mainstack and then use them in the
> mainstack - refereshing if people change the preferences (in the sub-
> stack) while the application is running?

If the data in the sub-stack is stored in a field, then it's really easy:
   put field "Data" of stack "Sub" into myVariable

The mainStack always "knows" where it's sub-stacks are and can grab
data from them directly.

There is no need to use global variables (which are persistant and
will not respond to change unless you script it), just use field data
and retrieve it every time you need it. That way any changes will be
implemented automatically.

Cheers,
Sarah


From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 29 07:59:03 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:59:03 +0100
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <460B5D30.1000104@fourthworld.com>
References: <460B5D30.1000104@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <BB24F9C4-47A9-465D-8137-311C0059ED58@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Well I've got my own Exporter/Importer which dumps into a Folder and  
File Hierarchy, I can then drag the base folder into (say) a  
CodeWarrior Project and then do complex searches between separate  
stack/application. Also the Folder/File Compare in CodeWarrior is  
second to none and I've found it great for finding when and where  
something changed. I also have a number of SNOBOL4/SPITBOL programs  
that can produce Cross References and other reports on the code. They  
also do things like generate a "local" statement for each local  
variable that hasn't been declared.

All the Best
Dave

On 29 Mar 2007, at 07:31, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Viktoras Didziulis wrote:
> > What about exporting to an xml along with properties of stacks,
> > cards and objects? And then its just one step towards importing
> > back into Revolution ide ;-)
>
> What does one do with scripts outside of the IDE that can't be done  
> directly in the IDE?
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 29 07:59:53 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:59:53 +0100
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <460B7F0E.000003.03536@MAZYTIS>
References: <460B7CB0.000001.03536@MAZYTIS> <460B7F0E.000003.03536@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <F79C2CF1-6BD3-4560-A691-BDC3A5FA4D4E@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Yes, the CodeWarrior Editor is much more powerful too.

All the Best
Dave

On 29 Mar 2007, at 09:55, Viktoras Didziulis wrote:

>
>
> And I forgot to mention that undo/redo in Revolution script editor  
> is very
> limited... But Revolution is still my favorite RAD anyway :-)
> Sorry for this additional post :-(
>
> Best!
> Viktoras
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 29 08:04:53 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:04:53 +0100
Subject: Problem with Fields
In-Reply-To: <C2305568.4483A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2305568.4483A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D7AA89DD-AAC7-4ED4-A093-DDEA7EDE752F@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

The thing is that this was working perfectly before RunRev version  
2.8.0.370 (the previous version I used was 350 I think). It also  
worked in 2.6.1.152.

So something must have changed, either in RunRev or as a result of  
other changes I have made. I was really trying to determine which?

All the Best
Dave

On 29 Mar 2007, at 01:24, Jim Ault wrote:

> On 3/28/07 5:04 PM, "Dave" <dave at looktowindward.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a number of fields that the user can change. When they select
>> a field I want its old contents selected so that if they start to
>> type it overwrites the current contents. If they want to edit the
>> contents then they click again to de-select the text.
>>
>> I tried your suggestion and it worked! Not sure why though?
>>
>> The reason I added it without using the "send" command was because in
>> the documentation for "openField" it says:
>>
>> Examples:
>> on openField -- when clicking in the field, select all its text
>>    select text of the target
>> end openField
>>
>> Which is exactly what I want to do!
> There are other issues with events and messages...
>
> You might have to "lock messages" or deal with the traversal or  
> focusOut, or
> other events that could occur just after the openfield message is  
> sent.
> Perhaps you needed to "pass openfield" so that Rev will know that it
> happened.  Interface interactivity is not my area, so I am just  
> guessing
> here.
>
> The 'send' technique in effect says "let all other things happen, then
> select text"
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Thu Mar 29 08:10:43 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:10:43 +0200
Subject: Variable transfers Between Stacks and Sub-Stacks.
In-Reply-To: <1278EA3A-D305-4FA6-8346-2DD48540EECC@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <1278EA3A-D305-4FA6-8346-2DD48540EECC@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <F2BDD002-AC45-425A-85EE-2621449C86BD@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hello Simon,

There are many ways to handle user preferences and I assume that  
you'll get many different ideas from the list.
Here is one where used stacks are assumed read-only and current prefs  
stored out of any stack:

Default standard prefs are stored in a custom property set.
This is handy since a custom property set can easily be put into a  
global array* or combined to be written to a file, a db record, etc.
If current prefs are not found, a file, a record, etc. is created  
from this custom property set and a prefs global array fed.
If a prefs file (or another way of storing them) is found, the global  
array is just fed with it**.
When the Prefs substack is open, values in the array are used to set  
up the layout accordingly.
Every change in the prefs modifies some value in the array.
When appropriate, the global array (possibly combined) is saved.
Actually xml could be used to store prefs but it might appear that a  
simple tab/tab/return list easily converted to an array or to/from a  
custom property set makes things a lot easier.

* put the customProperties["cDefaultPrefs"] of <object> into gPrefs  
where <object> can be 'this stack' or 'button "Prefs" of card "Prefs"  
of stack "Prefs"' or whatever fits your needs. This oneliner will  
feed the array as expected.
** Of course, a validity check of each pref value is preferable:  
Boolean, integer(s), text value, etc.
If a pref does not match an expected format or appears empty, the  
default pref should be restored.

Hope this helps.
Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 29 mars 07 ? 13:31, Simon HARPER a ?crit :

> Hi there,
>
> So I've a main stack and sub-stack for preferences. I save and load  
> the variables as a stack (not text of xml - just yet) when I open  
> and close the substack. However, is there best practice for how to  
> load the variables on startup of the mainstack and then use them in  
> the mainstack - refereshing if people change the preferences (in  
> the sub-stack) while the application is running?
>
> I'm sure this must be done a lot but I wonder if there is an  
> accepted best way. Also, would I just define a global variable for  
> inter-stack variables?
>
> Cheers
> Si.
>
> ====
> Simon Harper

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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 29 08:33:30 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:33:30 +0100
Subject: Variable transfers Between Stacks and Sub-Stacks.
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703290452l3ad5f057xf44e4bd46c5c8811@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1278EA3A-D305-4FA6-8346-2DD48540EECC@manchester.ac.uk>
	<f99b52860703290452l3ad5f057xf44e4bd46c5c8811@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8C08C4F2-BB36-4038-AA7D-3F9A49282A94@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

I've written my own Message/Event Handling system which solves this  
problem plus a whole lot more.

Basically it works like this:

You have one stack that is the repository for all "Inter/Intra-Stack"  
data - Call it "DataManager". The other stacks (Call then "StackA"  
and "StackB"  gain access to the DataManager via the start using  
stack "DataManager" statement. There are then (at a minimum) two  
functions in the "DataManager" - "GetData" and "PutData".

The "PutData" and "GetData" functions take the form:

function PutData theKey,theData

-- Store "theData" using "theKey" in a Custom Property Set (Array) of  
the "DataManager" stack.

end PutData

function GetData theKey

-- Retreive "theData" using "theKey" from a Custom Property Set  
(Array) of the "DataManager" stack.

return theData
end GetData

Using this method there is no need for an additional external file  
and it can be used in lots of different projects. Also since the data  
is de-coupled from the Stacks that use it, whole stacks (or objects  
within Stacks) can be re-used in different projects.

This is the basic technique, in order handle all requirements  
(Setting Factory Defaults and Dynamically updating values), you have  
to build on this.

My ISM (Inter Stack Manager) module handles all this and a whole lot  
more. In order to do this it keeps a list of objects that are  
"Listening" for data of a certain "Key" and sends the data to a  
handler when it is changed. Using this method allows you to cut and  
paste objects (including Groups) from one stack to another without  
changing a line of code!

If you'd like more information of this, feel free to contact me.

All the Best
Dave


On 29 Mar 2007, at 12:52, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> So I've a main stack and sub-stack for preferences. I save and load
>> the variables as a stack (not text of xml - just yet) when I open and
>> close the substack. However, is there best practice for how to load
>> the variables on startup of the mainstack and then use them in the
>> mainstack - refereshing if people change the preferences (in the sub-
>> stack) while the application is running?
>
> If the data in the sub-stack is stored in a field, then it's really  
> easy:
>   put field "Data" of stack "Sub" into myVariable
>
> The mainStack always "knows" where it's sub-stacks are and can grab
> data from them directly.
>
> There is no need to use global variables (which are persistant and
> will not respond to change unless you script it), just use field data
> and retrieve it every time you need it. That way any changes will be
> implemented automatically.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 09:13:56 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:13:56 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Variable transfers Between Stacks and Sub-Stacks.
Message-ID: <937083.73381.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Well . . .

the way I do it  ( is probably goofy and inefficient,
but it works ):

is pop all the variables into a list field on the
mainstack and then do something rather like this:

put fld "MAINSTACKVARHOLDER" of stack "BIGBOSS" into
fld "SUBSTACKVARHOLDER" of stack "SMALLBOSS"

where the names BIGBOSS and SMALLBOSS stand for the
main stack and substack respectively

obviously you can send data either way, or all over
the place, with this method.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 29 09:25:06 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:25:06 +0100
Subject: Variable transfers Between Stacks and Sub-Stacks.
In-Reply-To: <937083.73381.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <937083.73381.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5294DBF8-19B4-468F-B48B-AE69EA16C3F6@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

But how do you notify a "BOSS" that something has changed? As an  
example:

I have a preference stack that hold the default way to display  
measurements (Inches, MM, CM or Pixels). Other stacks that display  
Measurement data use the setting to show how to display it. If I have  
a stack open that is displaying in MM in a number of fields and the  
user then changes the measurement to Inches I want all fields to  
change instantly to Inches. I do this using my ISM module by  
listening for a change of the Measurement Units. When the user  
changes the value, all objects that are "Listening" for a Measurement  
Changed Message get called and they update themselves accordingly.

All the Best
Dave


On 29 Mar 2007, at 14:13, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Well . . .
>
> the way I do it  ( is probably goofy and inefficient,
> but it works ):
>
> is pop all the variables into a list field on the
> mainstack and then do something rather like this:
>
> put fld "MAINSTACKVARHOLDER" of stack "BIGBOSS" into
> fld "SUBSTACKVARHOLDER" of stack "SMALLBOSS"
>
> where the names BIGBOSS and SMALLBOSS stand for the
> main stack and substack respectively
>
> obviously you can send data either way, or all over
> the place, with this method.
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
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> Life Cycle.
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 29 09:38:05 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:38:05 +0100
Subject: Can't write in field ...
In-Reply-To: <20070329003956759139.0dc0510c@sonsothunder.com>
References: <7DCA4D7E-274A-4D6E-8D4F-7273527B738C@wanadoo.fr>
	<20070329003956759139.0dc0510c@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <950FB71E-09E2-4A61-BE53-6C768A09D907@looktowindward.com>

Hi,

Sounds stupid, but is "lockText"  set on the Field? If unset it!

All the Best
Dave


On 29 Mar 2007, at 06:39, Ken Ray wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:10:31 +0200, Jean-Pierre wrote:
>
>> I 'm sure that it was a stupid things but ...
>>
>> I have made a programm for my son. Programm making fractal ...
>> All work fine but ...
>>
>> I can't write in field. I can focus on it. I have the prompt but I
>> can't  input text  ....
>
> Do you hae any code in the field that traps keyDown, rawKeyDown,  
> keyUp,
> or rawKeyUp? If so, check to see if you're doing a "pass" on the
> message, otherwise nothing will show up in the field.
>
> If not check to see if the lockText is on on the field - if so,  
> turn it
> off...
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 29 09:39:48 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:39:48 +0100
Subject: Can't write in field ...
In-Reply-To: <C2309F30.4487C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2309F30.4487C%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <814A074F-F399-4A31-BADE-F52F00E9C458@looktowindward.com>


On 29 Mar 2007, at 06:39, Jim Ault wrote:
> get the properties of fld 1
> combine it using cr and tab
> put it

Wow Jim! That's so cool! I didn't know you could do that!

Thanks a lot
All the Best
Dave



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar 29 09:58:14 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:58:14 -0600
Subject: Tutorial Videos
In-Reply-To: <648837.89541.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <648837.89541.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E99A7651-17FB-47D5-899F-7469B738E68D@byu.edu>

On Mar 29, 2007, at 5:05 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Does anyone know where the tutorial videos are cached
> once they are downloaded?

As it happens, I was just looking at this yesterday. On my system  
(OSX) they are in ~/Documents/My Revolution/Resources/Video  
Tutorials. I would assume that they would be saved at a similar  
location appropriate to your OS.

Regards,

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 29 10:48:00 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 07:48:00 -0700
Subject: exportscripts.rev
Message-ID: <460BD1A0.7000008@fourthworld.com>

Viktoras Didziulis wrote:
> In Revolution script editor I can't print tabs, find and replace phrases (e
> g. change names of globals) in ALL scripts of any stack with a single click
> (or is this option hidden somewhere?), find and replace using regular
> expressions, line numbering is absent (yes I know I can browse by handler,
> but it is just an option), standard shortcut keys and context menus not
> always behave as expected - e.g. on right click on a selected text Rev Ide
> opens documentation window instead of contextual menu. When pasting portions
> of script from formatted text outside RevIDE (web page, etc...), it does not
> adopt fonts to script's font settings and you have to adjust font sizes
> manually again and again, etc... I can imagine somebody else having
> completely different preferences, in fact many different preferences and
> tastes, so that's why I think one may need the scripts outside the
> Revolution IDE. 

I had thought Rev had an option to use an external editor.  That's been 
in MC since before Rev was born.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar 29 11:12:59 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:12:59 -0600
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <071C6FAA-B608-4EBA-9993-3375057F5CEF@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <513458.94004.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<071C6FAA-B608-4EBA-9993-3375057F5CEF@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <E3C9B6FE-3352-4765-8B61-A4A03C71D151@byu.edu>

On Mar 29, 2007, at 5:27 AM, Simon HARPER wrote:
> Hi there, and I do agree that, as a coder of 15 years, I would  
> normally go on gut instinct. However, being used to c/c++, Java and  
> Perl the Revolution Transcript syntax and expressions are not  
> 'natural' for me, as I'm trained to think in the more mathematical  
> syntax of these grammars and not the more discursive grammar of  
> Transcript. I'm sure I'll get it with persistence but I just think  
> that coders moving over could really do with good documentation as  
> it just is not intuitive for a people with experience of these  
> other 'conventional' languages, IMO.

Simon,

Richmond makes a good point, although I think it's an exaggeration to  
say RunRev don't take documentation seriously. What most developers,  
including myself, have discovered after a few weeks is that the  
structure of the Rev scripting language (AKA Transcript) is pretty  
consistent and therefore new things become easily discoverable once  
the structure "clicks" in your brain. Here are some of the "aha!"  
moments that helped me figure out Xtalk scripting.

Rev scripting and object naming is case-insensitive.

Variables are untyped.

= is a logical comparison operator, not an assignment operator.

almost all operators have both symbolic and verbose variants:
	= - is
	<> - is not
	+ - add

To assign a value to a data container use
put <value> into <container> (not <container> = <value>)

There are *lots* of synonyms; eg., the constant return = cr = lf =  
linefeed;

Internally, all line delimiters are ASCII 10 (LF), but Rev  
automatically translates to and from the OS native line delimiter  
when reading and writing text files.

The word 'the' is important; it means that what follows is a property  
or a revolution function
	the <property> of <object> : set the visible of btn 1 to not the  
visible of btn 1
	the <function> of <argument> : put the sqrt of 9 into myvar
But functions also have an "algebraic" form:
	<function>(<arg>): put sqrt(9) into myvar

Since Rev tries to be helpful, it's not picky about the use of 'the'  
and will try make sense of a statement missing a 'the'. It usually  
succeeds.

Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between properties and  
functions.
	Corollary: the distinction usually doesn't matter.

You create variables by naming them in a statement.
	put 100 into george

You create custom properties, which act just like built-in  
properties, by naming them in a statement:
	set the squirrelCount of button "startSquirrels" to random(15)

Arrays are really lookup tables, indexed by key strings, not  
numerically.
	put "squirrel" into cage["favoriteRodent"]
	put "squirrel" into cage[1] -- is the same as -- put "squirrel" into  
cage["1"]

Object references are verbose, Rev doesn't use dot notation:
	button "mybtn" of card "mycard" of stack "mystack"

I apologize if these seem trivial or too basic. They are just things  
that "clicked" for me as I traveled along the xTalk path.

Maybe others can share similar "Aha!" insights about the nature of  
the Rev scripting language.

Regards,

Devin

>
> On 29 Mar 2007, at 12:15, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> I beleive one of the main reasons RR does not spend a
>> lot of time and resources on updating documentation is
>> because a very large number of programmers don't read
>> the documentation in anything but a cursory manner -
>> relying on their intuition, their past experience and
>> their willingness ot "get their feet wet" instead.
>>
>> When I was learning PASCAL (Durham, 1984) the standard
>> joke going around the computer labs was that the last
>> person to write a computer programming manual had had
>> a mausoleum constructed out of unsold copies.
>>
>> I have yet to read a really user-friendly programming
>> manual as most computer-programmers who write manuals
>> do not seem to spend a lot of time on audience
>> research or the finer points of reader-response
>> theory.
>>
>> The other reason why RR may not take their
>> documentation too seriously is that, in my experience,
>> the best manual I am aware of for Runtime Revolution
>> is this Use-List - it is dynamic, adaptive and
>> generally very friendly.


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 11:21:02 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:21:02 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Tutorial Videos
Message-ID: <259251.24310.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thank you, Devin,

found them!

Now for my usual 'BUT':

I think they would be much easier viewing if the
background were set to black or, at least darker,
textured background - that wall of white makes my eyes
go funny.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 11:22:49 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:22:49 -0700
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <460B7CB0.000001.03536@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <C23127D9.448DA%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Just a few comments that I know about:

> In Revolution script editor I can't print tabs
Yes, the tab key is used to run the 'reformat script' so you can only use
tabs after comments, if you paste from another editor.


> find an replace using regular expressions,
If a stack is the frontmost window, try Edit:Find and replace
You have a powerful combination of options, including RegEx, targeting
stacks, scripts, names, and more.  Look at the drop downs for a few
surprises. You can even remove lines from the hit listing so some items
won't be included in the replace operation.

I know this is not the same way of using RegEx you are thinking of.  I copy
and paste the single script into BBEdit to do RegEx there.

>When pasting portions
> of script from formatted text outside RevIDE (web page, etc...), it does not
> adopt fonts to script's font settings and you have to adjust font sizes
> manually again and again, etc...
I use BBEdit on the Mac and this does not put formatted text onto the
clipboard, so pasting is plain text.  If you can copy 'as plain text' from
your editor, then the fonts will remain uniform.  The script editor window
is just a field in a good ol' Rev stack, so it behaves like a field.  you
could have a back script that does the following:
put the script of <object> into holder
set the script of <object> to empty
set the script of <object> to holder

>tabbed browsing in a single window
=> Galaxy by Jerry Daniels
or my method of putting almost every script in the stack script so all
handlers are in one container.

Most every button, field, scroll  has the same script
on mouseup
do the short name of me
end mouseup

on mousedown
do (the short name of me & "Down")
end mousedown
--------- stack script
on btnFelix
on btnFelixDown

Just more ideas as we all go down different paths.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/29/07 1:45 AM, "Viktoras Didziulis" <viktoras at ekoinf.net> wrote:

> It is just a matter of personal preference, an alternative way of editing in
> an environment the user is used to for his other scripting tools (like Perl,
> PHP, HTML/Javascript, SQL, XML, Fortran, whatever else). On MS Windows my
> personal preference is Crimson editor. I am too addicted to its tools,
> editing options, syntax hiliting, lower/upper case switching, text encoding,
> capitalizing or case invertions, find an replace using regular expressions,
> some other options like tabbed browsing in a single window instead of having
> multiple windows scattered all around the screen (one needs extended desktop
> to fit them all), etc... Its just because I had been using it for 5 years
> before I purchased Revolution and feel at home in that environment, and it
> comes at no cost at all...
>  
> In Revolution script editor I can't print tabs, find and replace phrases (e
> g. change names of globals) in ALL scripts of any stack with a single click
> (or is this option hidden somewhere?), find and replace using regular
> expressions, line numbering is absent (yes I know I can browse by handler,
> but it is just an option), standard shortcut keys and context menus not
> always behave as expected - e.g. on right click on a selected text Rev Ide
> opens documentation window instead of contextual menu. When pasting portions
> of script from formatted text outside RevIDE (web page, etc...), it does not
> adopt fonts to script's font settings and you have to adjust font sizes
> manually again and again, etc... I can imagine somebody else having
> completely different preferences, in fact many different preferences and
> tastes, so that's why I think one may need the scripts outside the
> Revolution IDE. 
>  
> All the best! 
> Viktoras 
>  
> -------Original Message-------
>  
> From: Richard Gaskin
> Date: 03/29/07 09:31:31
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: exportscripts.rev
>  
> Viktoras Didziulis wrote:
>> What about exporting to an xml along with properties of stacks,
>> cards and objects? And then its just one step towards importing
>> back into Revolution ide ;-)
>  
> What does one do with scripts outside of the IDE that can't be done
> directly in the IDE?
>  




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 11:27:16 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:27:16 -0700
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <E3C9B6FE-3352-4765-8B61-A4A03C71D151@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <C23128E4.448E0%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/29/07 8:12 AM, "Devin Asay" <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Maybe others can share similar "Aha!" insights about the nature of
> the Rev scripting language.

Coming from the old Hypercard world, after 3 years I am still getting used
to the fact that Rev can work through 100 lines of code in 2 blinks of a
simm.  Amazingly fast.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Thu Mar 29 11:34:07 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:34:07 -0700
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <E3C9B6FE-3352-4765-8B61-A4A03C71D151@byu.edu>
References: <513458.94004.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<071C6FAA-B608-4EBA-9993-3375057F5CEF@manchester.ac.uk>
	<E3C9B6FE-3352-4765-8B61-A4A03C71D151@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <25A28347-3703-4CB0-9DE5-D1EEC7342F5F@Cox.Net>

Aha! So RR is just like HyperCard - except for custom properties and  
a few other querky things - as I knew all along. Thanks for the  
confirmation. No sarcasm intended. I'm serious!

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 29, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Devin Asay wrote:

> On Mar 29, 2007, at 5:27 AM, Simon HARPER wrote:
>> Hi there, and I do agree that, as a coder of 15 years, I would  
>> normally go on gut instinct. However, being used to c/c++, Java  
>> and Perl the Revolution Transcript syntax and expressions are not  
>> 'natural' for me, as I'm trained to think in the more mathematical  
>> syntax of these grammars and not the more discursive grammar of  
>> Transcript. I'm sure I'll get it with persistence but I just think  
>> that coders moving over could really do with good documentation as  
>> it just is not intuitive for a people with experience of these  
>> other 'conventional' languages, IMO.
>
> Simon,
>
> Richmond makes a good point, although I think it's an exaggeration  
> to say RunRev don't take documentation seriously. What most  
> developers, including myself, have discovered after a few weeks is  
> that the structure of the Rev scripting language (AKA Transcript)  
> is pretty consistent and therefore new things become easily  
> discoverable once the structure "clicks" in your brain. Here are  
> some of the "aha!" moments that helped me figure out Xtalk scripting.
>
> Rev scripting and object naming is case-insensitive.
>
> Variables are untyped.
>
> = is a logical comparison operator, not an assignment operator.
>
> almost all operators have both symbolic and verbose variants:
> 	= - is
> 	<> - is not
> 	+ - add
>
> To assign a value to a data container use
> put <value> into <container> (not <container> = <value>)
>
> There are *lots* of synonyms; eg., the constant return = cr = lf =  
> linefeed;
>
> Internally, all line delimiters are ASCII 10 (LF), but Rev  
> automatically translates to and from the OS native line delimiter  
> when reading and writing text files.
>
> The word 'the' is important; it means that what follows is a  
> property or a revolution function
> 	the <property> of <object> : set the visible of btn 1 to not the  
> visible of btn 1
> 	the <function> of <argument> : put the sqrt of 9 into myvar
> But functions also have an "algebraic" form:
> 	<function>(<arg>): put sqrt(9) into myvar
>
> Since Rev tries to be helpful, it's not picky about the use of  
> 'the' and will try make sense of a statement missing a 'the'. It  
> usually succeeds.
>
> Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between properties and  
> functions.
> 	Corollary: the distinction usually doesn't matter.
>
> You create variables by naming them in a statement.
> 	put 100 into george
>
> You create custom properties, which act just like built-in  
> properties, by naming them in a statement:
> 	set the squirrelCount of button "startSquirrels" to random(15)
>
> Arrays are really lookup tables, indexed by key strings, not  
> numerically.
> 	put "squirrel" into cage["favoriteRodent"]
> 	put "squirrel" into cage[1] -- is the same as -- put "squirrel"  
> into cage["1"]
>
> Object references are verbose, Rev doesn't use dot notation:
> 	button "mybtn" of card "mycard" of stack "mystack"
>
> I apologize if these seem trivial or too basic. They are just  
> things that "clicked" for me as I traveled along the xTalk path.
>
> Maybe others can share similar "Aha!" insights about the nature of  
> the Rev scripting language.
>
> Regards,
>
> Devin
>
>>
>> On 29 Mar 2007, at 12:15, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>>
>>> I beleive one of the main reasons RR does not spend a
>>> lot of time and resources on updating documentation is
>>> because a very large number of programmers don't read
>>> the documentation in anything but a cursory manner -
>>> relying on their intuition, their past experience and
>>> their willingness ot "get their feet wet" instead.
>>>
>>> When I was learning PASCAL (Durham, 1984) the standard
>>> joke going around the computer labs was that the last
>>> person to write a computer programming manual had had
>>> a mausoleum constructed out of unsold copies.
>>>
>>> I have yet to read a really user-friendly programming
>>> manual as most computer-programmers who write manuals
>>> do not seem to spend a lot of time on audience
>>> research or the finer points of reader-response
>>> theory.
>>>
>>> The other reason why RR may not take their
>>> documentation too seriously is that, in my experience,
>>> the best manual I am aware of for Runtime Revolution
>>> is this Use-List - it is dynamic, adaptive and
>>> generally very friendly.
>
>
> Devin Asay
> Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
> Brigham Young University
>
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Thu Mar 29 11:36:19 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 08:36:19 -0700
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <C23128E4.448E0%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C23128E4.448E0%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20FE47C3-DF76-41AD-A875-9BB94891CC54@Cox.Net>

Jim, it's the computers. Even HC is fast! (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 29, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> On 3/29/07 8:12 AM, "Devin Asay" <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe others can share similar "Aha!" insights about the nature of
>> the Rev scripting language.
>
> Coming from the old Hypercard world, after 3 years I am still  
> getting used
> to the fact that Rev can work through 100 lines of code in 2 blinks  
> of a
> simm.  Amazingly fast.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 29 11:37:13 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:37:13 +0100
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <071C6FAA-B608-4EBA-9993-3375057F5CEF@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <513458.94004.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<071C6FAA-B608-4EBA-9993-3375057F5CEF@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <8BDDD6D2-8F13-4147-A306-E5D3A88CCAC8@looktowindward.com>

H Simon,

I can really sympathize with you! I was in the same boat around three  
years ago. The documentation is not very good, especially if you are  
used to working in C/C++ where the "white" books are available.

The thing that really confused me and got me pulling my  hair out is  
the "all-in-one" concept behind RunRev, by that I mean there is no  
"initial" state in which you can get back to square one! By this I  
mean that if you (or a bug) sets the location of an Object way off  
the screen then it will stay there until you bring it back again. In  
C/C++ you start with a clean slate every time!

I've done a lot of moaning and complaining about the state of the  
documentation and silly bugs that have not been fixed for ages, but  
in the end RunRev really is the best thing on the market for RAD,  
especially when coupled with C/C++ external commands.

One of the main problems is when starting off is that you are faced  
with a *huge* system with lots of different ways of doing things and  
lots of sample stacks, all doing similar things using different  
techniques. It's really hard to sort out something that does the job  
for you and is extensible. Plenty of times I've invested time and  
effort in something that later I've found won't work 100% because  
something else "fights" it. The documentation could definitely be  
better in this respect.

Over the three years I've been using it, I have developed my own  
Framework and Message/Event Manager that help loads and make it a  
much more pleasant experience. I'd be happy to provide more  
information if you like. So, I think you are doing the right thing by  
sticking with it, it will take a while but one day you'll think -  
Wow! That's how to do it!

All the Best
Dave

On 29 Mar 2007, at 12:27, Simon HARPER wrote:

> Hi there, and I do agree that, as a coder of 15 years, I would  
> normally go on gut instinct. However, being used to c/c++, Java and  
> Perl the Revolution Transcript syntax and expressions are not  
> 'natural' for me, as I'm trained to think in the more mathematical  
> syntax of these grammars and not the more discursive grammar of  
> Transcript. I'm sure I'll get it with persistence but I just think  
> that coders moving over could really do with good documentation as  
> it just is not intuitive for a people with experience of these  
> other 'conventional' languages, IMO.
>
> However, having said that I'm actually really enjoying learning it  
> and am persisting because I can see long term benefits of using  
> Revolution as a RAD tool. Having said this I've another question  
> which I'll send as a separate email...
>
> Cheers
> Si.
>
> ====
> Simon Harper
> 2.44 Kilburn Building
> University of Manchester (UK)
>
> Pri: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk
> Alt: sharper at cs.man.ac.uk
>
>
> On 29 Mar 2007, at 12:15, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> I beleive one of the main reasons RR does not spend a
>> lot of time and resources on updating documentation is
>> because a very large number of programmers don't read
>> the documentation in anything but a cursory manner -
>> relying on their intuition, their past experience and
>> their willingness ot "get their feet wet" instead.
>>
>> When I was learning PASCAL (Durham, 1984) the standard
>> joke going around the computer labs was that the last
>> person to write a computer programming manual had had
>> a mausoleum constructed out of unsold copies.
>>
>> I have yet to read a really user-friendly programming
>> manual as most computer-programmers who write manuals
>> do not seem to spend a lot of time on audience
>> research or the finer points of reader-response
>> theory.
>>
>> The other reason why RR may not take their
>> documentation too seriously is that, in my experience,
>> the best manual I am aware of for Runtime Revolution
>> is this Use-List - it is dynamic, adaptive and
>> generally very friendly.
>>
>> I am always happy, either on or off-list, to answer
>> the most basic Newbie questions:
>>
>> geradamas at yahoo dot com
>>
>> richmond at mail dot maclaunch dot com
>>
>> There are many contributors to this list who can
>> answer both those basic ones, and more tricky ones, in
>> a way far better than I can.
>>
>> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>>
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>> Life Cycle.
>> ____________________________________________________________
>>
>>
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From dave at looktowindward.com  Thu Mar 29 11:40:24 2007
From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:40:24 +0100
Subject: Tutorial Videos
In-Reply-To: <259251.24310.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <259251.24310.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ACB2D29D-646D-4B42-BA7E-CC179B564E06@looktowindward.com>

You sure that's the video's! lol

Just kidding!

All the Best
Dave

On 29 Mar 2007, at 16:21, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Thank you, Devin,
>
> found them!
>
> Now for my usual 'BUT':
>
> I think they would be much easier viewing if the
> background were set to black or, at least darker,
> textured background - that wall of white makes my eyes
> go funny.
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development  
> Life Cycle.
> ____________________________________________________________



From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 11:42:59 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:42:59 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Variable transfers Between Stacks and Sub-Stacks.
Message-ID: <415996.66974.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"But how do you notify a "BOSS" that something has
changed?"

Oh, Dearie Me! here I am between a group of 7
year-olds ('before, after") and a group of adults
(first-conditional) and I see this . . .

being the fool I am, I rise to the bate:-

1. So let's have a merry drop-down button on the Main
Stack to change units.

2. on mouseUp
      the mouseLine
      if it is "inches" then
        do FANCY CONVERSION ROUTINE NUMBER 999
      end if
     end mouseUp
        
where FANCY CONVERSION ROUTINE NUMBER 999 pushes all
the values contained in all the list fields on the
main stack and all the substacks through the required
algorithm to convert (say) millimetres to inches.

Dunno - seems easy to me.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Thu Mar 29 11:50:51 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:50:51 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: exportscripts.rev
References: <C23127D9.448DA%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <460BE05A.000001.03376@MAZYTIS>

Thanks Jim! 
 
I did not notice and even did not bother to check this since my purchase
last year (oh my!) that an alternative Edit:Find and replace in main
Revolution menu is different from Find and replace in script editor. Thanks
for pointing to this ! 
 
Regards! 
Viktoras 
 
-------Original Message------- 
 
From: Jim Ault 
Date: 03/29/07 18:23:04 
To: How to use Revolution 
Subject: Re: exportscripts.rev 
 
 
If a stack is the frontmost window, try Edit:Find and replace 
You have a powerful combination of options, including RegEx, targeting 
stacks, scripts, names, and more. Look at the drop downs for a few 
surprises. You can even remove lines from the hit listing so some items 
won't be included in the replace operation.


From bobwarren at howsoft.com  Thu Mar 29 12:10:56 2007
From: bobwarren at howsoft.com (Bob Warren)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:10:56 -0300
Subject: Hiding a nonRev file in a Windows Standalone
Message-ID: <460BE510.1010105@howsoft.com>

Chipp wrote at

http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number6/default.htm  :

"You can now SuckUp a binary file, then SpitOut it."

------------------------------------------------
Definitely non-schismogenetic and therefore recommended!
It might even work in Linux too!

Bob


From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Thu Mar 29 12:11:45 2007
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:11:45 -0500
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <C23127D9.448DA%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C23127D9.448DA%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EFA334E0-C7B9-4D46-9FDE-A8E3536E8AF3@daniels-mara.com>

If you value your time and your sanity, you might give Galaxy a test  
drive:

     http://www.daniels-mara.com/galaxy.htm
     http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/galaxy/index.php

I've been using tabbed browsing of object scripts and folders within  
handlers for a couple years. I have lots of objects and some long  
scripts in my projects. Without tabbed browsing in my editor and  
folders in my handler list, I would lose hours a day and not be the  
happy-go-lucky fellow that I am today.

Trevor DeVore has also put together some excellent lessons that drive  
these points home very well indeed. Here are a few links to some  
appropriate lessons:

     http://www.daniels-mara.com/lessons/
     http://www.daniels-mara.com/lessons/lessons/It_s_a_Tabs_Thing.html
     http://www.daniels-mara.com/lessons/lessons/ 
Take_Me_To_Your_Handler.html
     http://www.daniels-mara.com/lessons/lessons/ 
Order_I_Say,_Order_.html

And we are hard at work on and even sexier script editor. Check out  
the docs to it:

     http://daniels-mara.com/GLX2/help/#step_2

And while we're plugging productivity tools...if you do documentation  
of your Rev projects/products, you owe it to yourself to check out  
ScreenSteps:

     http://www.runrev.com/section/revselect/screensteps/index.php
     http://www.bluemangolearningsystems.com/products/screensteps/

I use ScreenSteps for an amazing number of things--not just  
documentation.

     http://daniels-mara.com/GLX2/help/archives/

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Makers of Galaxy 1.5
http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm



On Mar 29, 2007, at 10:22 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

>> tabbed browsing in a single window
> => Galaxy by Jerry Daniels
> or my method of putting almost every script in the stack script so all
> handlers are in one container.



From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Mar 29 12:18:16 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:18:16 -0700
Subject: Variable transfers Between Stacks and Sub-Stacks.
In-Reply-To: <415996.66974.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <415996.66974.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A30A678B-F37D-46DB-B1BC-E12D94058D39@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 29, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> 1. So let's have a merry drop-down button on the Main
> Stack to change units.
>
> 2. on mouseUp
>       the mouseLine
>       if it is "inches" then
>         do FANCY CONVERSION ROUTINE NUMBER 999
>       end if
>      end mouseUp
>
> where FANCY CONVERSION ROUTINE NUMBER 999 pushes all
> the values contained in all the list fields on the
> main stack and all the substacks through the required
> algorithm to convert (say) millimetres to inches.

Hi Richmond (sorry, this somehow turned into a long post),

While there is nothing difficult about the example you provide above,  
I see a broadcasting system (like the one Dave has talked about) as  
making your code cleaner and easier to read.

The above example only changes the property in once place (as is  
common for many application preferences).  But there are some  
scenarios where you can change a property of an object from multiple  
locations.  For example, if I wanted to change the title of an image  
in an image cataloging application I might have a command like the  
following:

image_setProp theImageObject, "title", theNewTitle


-- Without Broadcasting --

Using your technique above you might then add a second call which  
updated the title of the image anywhere it appeared in the program  
(maybe in a thumbnail window and an editor window) so you end up with  
something like this anywhere you want to change the title:

image_setProp theImageObject, "title", theNewTitle
UpdateImageAnywhereItAppearsInProgram theStepControl


-- With Broadcasting --

Using broadcasting, you could register the thumbnail window and the  
editor window to receive messages whenever the "title" property of a  
image was updated using a handler that might be defined as follows:

object_addPropertyListener pObject, pProperties, pTargetObject, pMessage

And in practice might be called like this when a new image was created:

object_addPropertyListener theNewImageObject, "title", the long id of  
stack "ThumbnailViewer", "ImagePropertyUpdated"
object_addPropertyListener theNewImageObject, "title", the long id of  
stack "Editor", "ImagePropertyUpdated"

Now in my code I can just set the image title from anywhere I would  
like (using image_setProp) and I know that it will be updated  
everywhere in the program.  I don't have to remember to set the title  
and then call another function to update windows everywhere.


-- Implementing Broadcasting --

Some development environments, like Flash, have built-in broadcasting  
support.  Revolution does not so you end up having to create your own  
libraries to handle it.  While this is a little more effort at first  
to write the library it really pays off for folks who prefer the  
broadcasting approach.

For example, in the "image_setProp" handler (which can be used to set  
any number of properties) you would then have the following call near  
the end of it's definition which would handle broadcasting the  
changed property to any "listeners":

on image_setProp pControlReference, pProperty, pValue
     ## DO WHATEVER TO STORE PROPERTY
     ....

     ## BROADCAST PROPERTY CHANGE
     object_broadcastPropertyChange pObject, pProperties
end image_setProp

In the end you are getting the same behavior.  I happen to think  
broadcasting is a cleaner way of approaching the problem and use that  
approach in my projects as well.


-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 12:19:56 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:19:56 -0700
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <20FE47C3-DF76-41AD-A875-9BB94891CC54@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C231353C.44902%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/29/07 8:36 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> Jim, it's the computers. Even HC is fast! (smile)
> 
> Joe Wilkins 

Actually, the Rinaldi XCMDs and XCFNs are compiled to give HCard speed
boosts, and Rinaldi has noted that Rev is so fast you don't need most of
them for Rev.  His web page still has some that can boost Rev.

Rev is not fast for image mungering, for example.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

> 
> On Mar 29, 2007, at 8:27 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> On 3/29/07 8:12 AM, "Devin Asay" <devin_asay at byu.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Maybe others can share similar "Aha!" insights about the nature of
>>> the Rev scripting language.
>> 
>> Coming from the old Hypercard world, after 3 years I am still
>> getting used
>> to the fact that Rev can work through 100 lines of code in 2 blinks
>> of a
>> simm.  Amazingly fast.
>> 
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas




From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Thu Mar 29 12:36:56 2007
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:36:56 -0700
Subject: Printing Crash
In-Reply-To: <20070329113751.651B0488FD5@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C2313938.7DB0%dan@clearvisiontech.com>

Greetings...

CRASH!  Anyone have any thoughts??

I have one field on a stack.
I have set the textFont of the field to ",Unicode".
I have pasted some Vietnamese text into this field.

The text looks perfect on screen.  I choose "Print", and CRASH!  Any
thoughts?

Mac OS 10.4.9
Rev 2.7.4 (and 2.8.0)

If you want to see for yourself, I have posted this stack on revOnline under
user "ClearVision".  Stack name "Unicode Printing".

I hope you see something I don't!!

Thanks in advance,
Dan




From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Thu Mar 29 12:52:31 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:52:31 -0700
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <C231353C.44902%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C231353C.44902%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9C849894-347B-440D-B07D-8919B75D60F4@Cox.Net>

Nice to know, since I'm sure I'll be getting into the image  
management issue before too long.

Thanks,

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

> On 3/29/07 8:36 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>
>> Jim, it's the computers. Even HC is fast! (smile)
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>
> Actually, the Rinaldi XCMDs and XCFNs are compiled to give HCard speed
> boosts, and Rinaldi has noted that Rev is so fast you don't need  
> most of
> them for Rev.  His web page still has some that can boost Rev.
>
> Rev is not fast for image mungering, for example.



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar 29 12:59:57 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:59:57 -0600
Subject: Tutorial Videos
In-Reply-To: <259251.24310.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <259251.24310.qm@web37506.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A20A7A1F-850D-4055-88E9-4E26477C2ACA@byu.edu>


On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:21 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> Thank you, Devin,
>
> found them!
>
> Now for my usual 'BUT':
>
> I think they would be much easier viewing if the
> background were set to black or, at least darker,
> textured background - that wall of white makes my eyes
> go funny.

What!?! You didn't get the free Video Tutorial Sunglasses with your  
copy of Rev? Better jump on tech support!

;-)

Devin

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar 29 13:10:07 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:10:07 -0600
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <C23127D9.448DA%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C23127D9.448DA%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46DC35D9-B001-4FBD-934A-1037CFC5D582@byu.edu>


On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

>> In Revolution script editor I can't print tabs
> Yes, the tab key is used to run the 'reformat script' so you can  
> only use
> tabs after comments, if you paste from another editor.

Or just concatenate using the tab constant:

	put "one" & tab & "two" & tab & "three" into tNums

Devin


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 13:29:25 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:29:25 -0700
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <46DC35D9-B001-4FBD-934A-1037CFC5D582@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <C2314585.44921%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

> On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>>> In Revolution script editor I can't print tabs
>> Yes, the tab key is used to run the 'reformat script' so you can
>> only use
>> tabs after comments, if you paste from another editor.
> 
> Or just concatenate using the tab constant:
> 
> put "one" & tab & "two" & tab & "three" into tNums

Yes,but  I was thinking about the script editor allowing tabs to format the
scripts (indenting) like Flash.  It is funny when I switch to ActionScript
how often I hit the tab key after doing changes...  :-)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar 29 13:36:24 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:36:24 -0600
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <C2314585.44921%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2314585.44921%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8706CE32-A70D-490D-9C66-1CBB17440D97@byu.edu>


On Mar 29, 2007, at 11:29 AM, Jim Ault wrote:

>> On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:22 AM, Jim Ault wrote:
>>
>>>> In Revolution script editor I can't print tabs
>>> Yes, the tab key is used to run the 'reformat script' so you can
>>> only use
>>> tabs after comments, if you paste from another editor.
>>
>> Or just concatenate using the tab constant:
>>
>> put "one" & tab & "two" & tab & "three" into tNums
>
> Yes,but  I was thinking about the script editor allowing tabs to  
> format the
> scripts (indenting) like Flash.  It is funny when I switch to  
> ActionScript
> how often I hit the tab key after doing changes...  :-)

Ah, sorry. too fast reading I morning this am.

DNA

Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 29 14:10:49 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:10:49 -0500
Subject: [ANN] STS XML Library 2.0.4 Released
Message-ID: <20070329131049029958.9d78b2c4@sonsothunder.com>

A minor upgrade to the STS XML Library (2.0.4) was released today that 
fixed a few bugs, including a defect in the stsXML_DeleteNode command 
that would cause problems when deleting the last child node of a parent 
node. Additionally, a new version of the RSS Plugin (1.0.2) that fixed 
a few bugs related to the use of the Workshop utility inside the RSS 
Plugin user interface is also available.

For more information, see:

  http://www.sonsothunder.com/products/xmllib/xmllib.htm

Thanks!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 29 14:22:59 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:22:59 -0500
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <460B5A35.000001.01492@MAZYTIS>
References: <9726381.post@talk.nabble.com> <460B5A35.000001.01492@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <20070329132259322952.cec6a1ce@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:18:29 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time), Viktoras 
Didziulis wrote:

> Cool! But one may end with hundreds of files this way... What about
> exporting to an xml along with properties of stacks, cards and objects? And
> then its just one step towards importing back into Revolution ide ;-) Then
> everyone could use "my favorite script editor" to edit Revolution scripts
> without hassle :-) 

Viktoras, have you checked out the stsXMLEditor yet? It allows you to 
attach virtually any text editor to Revolution so that when you choose 
to edit a script from Rev, it opens in your text editor. Make a change 
and save it there, and when you return to Rev, the script for the 
object is updated. If you haven't checked it out already, here's the 
URL:

  
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/stsMLXEditor.htm

Comes with a small handful of add on modules for Mac and Windows 
editors to help get the colorization, indentation, etc. right in those 
text editors, and if you have your favorite and decide to make a module 
for that, let me know and I'll make it available!

Have fun,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Mar 29 15:13:11 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:13:11 -0700
Subject: Alias to Folder?
Message-ID: <C2315DD7.223B9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

The docs say we have a create alias command.

Is it possible to create an alias to a folder?  (Rev 2.4, 2.7, 2.8)

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Mar 29 15:14:59 2007
From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:14:59 +0100
Subject: revMail attachments question
Message-ID: <200703292014.59546.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk>

Is it possible to use the revMail command so as to send not just an email, but 
the email with an attached file?

My app is doing backups of the data file on the local machine, but it would be 
really neat to be able to send a backup automatically by email to an offsite 
machine.  Save a lot of tooing and froing with usb sticks.

Peter


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 15:36:00 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:36:00 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Variable transfers Between Stacks and Sub-Stacks.
Message-ID: <690329.35922.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"While there is nothing difficult about the example
you provide above,  
I see a broadcasting system (like the one Dave has
talked about) as  
making your code cleaner and easier to read."

Yes, you are completely right: however, I bet you
didn't think up your elegant and efficient version in
the 2 minutes it took me to think up my quick, dirty,
trench-warfare version. AND, my code is almost always
clunky and inefficient for one simple reason: I am an
educator who teaches EFL, so do not have hours and
days to fine tune very much.

Love and abuse from the trenches!   :)

Richmond Mathewson

____________________________________________________________

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From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Thu Mar 29 15:55:01 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 20:55:01 +0100
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <E3C9B6FE-3352-4765-8B61-A4A03C71D151@byu.edu>
References: <513458.94004.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<071C6FAA-B608-4EBA-9993-3375057F5CEF@manchester.ac.uk>
	<E3C9B6FE-3352-4765-8B61-A4A03C71D151@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <460C1995.2070201@harbourhosting.co.uk>

Devin Asay wrote:
> Here are some of the "aha!" moments 
> that helped me figure out Xtalk scripting.
> 

Excellent post Devin,

IMO It should be distributed with all new and demo license keys

One minor picky point

> Internally, all line delimiters are ASCII 10 (LF), but Rev automatically
> translates to and from the OS native line delimiter when reading and writing
> text files.

Last I checked (admittedly quite a while ago) this was not true on 
Linux, just on Mac and Win. perhaps this has changed?
Anybody currently working on Linux know if RR can nowadays properly open 
mac or win text files and translate line-endings without scripted 
assistance?

Martin Baxter


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 29 16:03:42 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:03:42 -0700
Subject: Hiding a nonRev file in a Windows Standalone
Message-ID: <460C1B9E.6060409@fourthworld.com>

Bob Warren wrote:

> http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number6/default.htm  :
> 
> "You can now SuckUp a binary file, then SpitOut it."

And you can compress and even encrypt it:
<http://www.revjournal.com/tutorials/handy-handlers-005.html>


-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Mar 29 16:10:06 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:10:06 -0700
Subject: Variable transfers Between Stacks and Sub-Stacks.
In-Reply-To: <690329.35922.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <690329.35922.qm@web37515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <616E94C8-D581-4BDC-9663-745F8220BDF4@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 29, 2007, at 12:36 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:

> "While there is nothing difficult about the example
> you provide above,
> I see a broadcasting system (like the one Dave has
> talked about) as
> making your code cleaner and easier to read."
>
> Yes, you are completely right: however, I bet you
> didn't think up your elegant and efficient version in
> the 2 minutes it took me to think up my quick, dirty,
> trench-warfare version.

No, I didn't.  That is why I used the quick, dirty, trench-warefare  
version prior to coming up with a broadcasting system I liked.

> AND, my code is almost always
> clunky and inefficient for one simple reason: I am an
> educator who teaches EFL, so do not have hours and
> days to fine tune very much.

Which is fine.  I was just attempting to elaborate on why some folks  
like using broadcasting.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 29 16:11:49 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:11:49 -0500
Subject: Alias to Folder?
In-Reply-To: <C2315DD7.223B9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C2315DD7.223B9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <20070329151149110888.503daf1f@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:13:11 -0700, Scott Rossi wrote:

> The docs say we have a create alias command.
> 
> Is it possible to create an alias to a folder?  (Rev 2.4, 2.7, 2.8)

Nope...

http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=1059

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 29 16:18:09 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:18:09 -0500
Subject: exportscripts.rev - Correction
In-Reply-To: <20070329132259322952.cec6a1ce@sonsothunder.com>
References: <9726381.post@talk.nabble.com> <460B5A35.000001.01492@MAZYTIS>
	<20070329132259322952.cec6a1ce@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <20070329151809497011.2cc1de52@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:22:59 -0500, Ken Ray wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:18:29 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time), Viktoras 
> Didziulis wrote:
> 
>> Cool! But one may end with hundreds of files this way... What about
>> exporting to an xml along with properties of stacks, cards and objects? And
>> then its just one step towards importing back into Revolution ide ;-) Then
>> everyone could use "my favorite script editor" to edit Revolution scripts
>> without hassle :-) 
> 
> Viktoras, have you checked out the stsXMLEditor yet? 

Whoops! Sorry, that's sts*MLX*Editor... this has nothing to do with 
XML...
  
http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/stsMLXEditor.htm

:-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Mar 29 16:50:13 2007
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:50:13 -0600
Subject: exportscripts.rev - Correction
In-Reply-To: <20070329151809497011.2cc1de52@sonsothunder.com>
References: <9726381.post@talk.nabble.com> <460B5A35.000001.01492@MAZYTIS>
	<20070329132259322952.cec6a1ce@sonsothunder.com>
	<20070329151809497011.2cc1de52@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <E26E64AF-D6FC-4059-958F-D24315A75DC4@byu.edu>

Hey Ken,

Are you sure the BBedit Transcript language module still works? I  
tried installing both the one from your site and the one from  
Trevor's site. Neither of them showed up in BBedit as an available  
language. :-(

The stsXMLXMXLEditor  worked flawlessly, however. :-)

Devin

On Mar 29, 2007, at 2:18 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 13:22:59 -0500, Ken Ray wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 09:18:29 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time), Viktoras
>> Didziulis wrote:
>>
>>> Cool! But one may end with hundreds of files this way... What about
>>> exporting to an xml along with properties of stacks, cards and  
>>> objects? And
>>> then its just one step towards importing back into Revolution  
>>> ide ;-) Then
>>> everyone could use "my favorite script editor" to edit Revolution  
>>> scripts
>>> without hassle :-)
>>
>> Viktoras, have you checked out the stsXMLEditor yet?
>
> Whoops! Sorry, that's sts*MLX*Editor... this has nothing to do with
> XML...
>
> http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/downloads/ 
> stsMLXEditor.htm


Devin Asay
Humanities Technology and Research Support Center
Brigham Young University



From josh at dvcreators.net  Thu Mar 29 17:16:00 2007
From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:16:00 -0700
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <460B5D30.1000104@fourthworld.com>
References: <460B5D30.1000104@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <A1D2EE4D-C939-4A6D-80E8-C50A38BD1A59@dvcreators.net>


On Mar 28, 2007, at 11:31 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>
> What does one do with scripts outside of the IDE that can't be done  
> directly in the IDE?


What I found the most helpful is to be able to instantly search all  
the scripts of every Rev project I've ever worked on without having  
to open them.

(Opening them in Rev takes more time, and sometimes triggers openCard  
and openStack scripts, and there are sometimes stack name conflicts,  
especially with older versions of the same stack :-)


From lists at mangomultimedia.com  Thu Mar 29 17:16:36 2007
From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 14:16:36 -0700
Subject: exportscripts.rev - Correction
In-Reply-To: <E26E64AF-D6FC-4059-958F-D24315A75DC4@byu.edu>
References: <9726381.post@talk.nabble.com> <460B5A35.000001.01492@MAZYTIS>
	<20070329132259322952.cec6a1ce@sonsothunder.com>
	<20070329151809497011.2cc1de52@sonsothunder.com>
	<E26E64AF-D6FC-4059-958F-D24315A75DC4@byu.edu>
Message-ID: <A8EF3BA5-17B8-4E73-9CB2-ADAEEC5158AE@mangomultimedia.com>

On Mar 29, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Devin Asay wrote:

> Hey Ken,
>
> Are you sure the BBedit Transcript language module still works? I  
> tried installing both the one from your site and the one from  
> Trevor's site. Neither of them showed up in BBedit as an available  
> language. :-(

You are probably on an Intel machine.  I had to recompile and modify  
the code a bit to work with the modified language code glue that  
BareBones introduced with Intel support.  I can send it to you if you  
email me off-list.  Someday my site will be updated.  I'm just not  
sure when.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
Blue Mango Learning Systems
www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
trevor at bluemangolearning.com




From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 17:45:18 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:45:18 +1000
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <A1D2EE4D-C939-4A6D-80E8-C50A38BD1A59@dvcreators.net>
References: <460B5D30.1000104@fourthworld.com>
	<A1D2EE4D-C939-4A6D-80E8-C50A38BD1A59@dvcreators.net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703291445k26e8c61pb2fe4a01799bf9f8@mail.gmail.com>

> What I found the most helpful is to be able to instantly search all
> the scripts of every Rev project I've ever worked on without having
> to open them.
>
> (Opening them in Rev takes more time, and sometimes triggers openCard
> and openStack scripts, and there are sometimes stack name conflicts,
> especially with older versions of the same stack :-)

I agree, but opening a stack file in a text editor also works fine (so
long as you don't save). Mixed in with all the binary junk, the
scripts are all available in plain text form and can be compared or
copied.

Cheers,
Sarah


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 29 18:00:22 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:00:22 -0500
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <C23127D9.448DA%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C23127D9.448DA%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <460C36F6.90609@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Ault wrote:
> Just a few comments that I know about:
> 
>> In Revolution script editor I can't print tabs
> Yes, the tab key is used to run the 'reformat script' so you can only use
> tabs after comments, if you paste from another editor.

If you go to Preferences -> Script Editor and turn off "auto format", 
you can type tabs into your scripts at will.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Mar 29 18:45:06 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:45:06 -0700
Subject: Open A Windows Desktop Folder?
Message-ID: <C2318F82.223F4%scott@tactilemedia.com>

More help needed ASAP... :-)

I've been trying to use the following script to open a Windows desktop
folder:

on openFolder pPath
  replace "/" with "\" in pPath
  set the hideConsoleWindows to true
  get shell("explorer.exe /root,"& quote & pPath & quote)
end openFolder

 This seems to work fine but also seems to be blocking in that my Rev app
appears to be non-responsive until the opened window is physically closed.

Any ideas how to get around this problem?

Rev 2.8, Vista (and eventually XP)

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 29 18:46:44 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:46:44 -0500
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <29bc7bd40703290437s1140ee83sac82cca5586af7d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29bc7bd40703290437s1140ee83sac82cca5586af7d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <460C41D4.3090309@hyperactivesw.com>

wayne durden wrote:

> I am replacing perl cgi's and have found the process somewhat frustrating.
> No matter how simple the tasks are, it seems there are an abundance of
> places to make simple mistakes and very little feedback from the server
> letting me know where I have goofed this time. 

The best way to get more info about the server error is to look at the 
server error logs. In many cases, you'll get two lines per error. One 
will be the generic error that you see in your browser (error 500, 
usually) and the other line, if you're lucky, is the Revolution script 
error from the Rev compiler. That line can give you a good clue.

If you aren't getting a Rev error, then the problem may not be in your 
script at all, but rather with the server interaction itself. Make sure 
your files have correct permissions and that line endings in your text 
files are Unix line endings. Those are the two most common causes for 
errors that aren't script-related.

Another good technique is to move your cgi script to a button in 
Revolution and run it there. You may have to make minor changes for it 
to work in the IDE, but that is the easiest way to check whether you're 
getting compiler errors.

Finally, you could post a sample here and see if anyone notices where a 
problem might be.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 29 18:57:50 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:57:50 -0500
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <460C1995.2070201@harbourhosting.co.uk>
References: <513458.94004.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<071C6FAA-B608-4EBA-9993-3375057F5CEF@manchester.ac.uk>	<E3C9B6FE-3352-4765-8B61-A4A03C71D151@byu.edu>
	<460C1995.2070201@harbourhosting.co.uk>
Message-ID: <460C446E.4040701@hyperactivesw.com>

Martin Baxter wrote:

> Last I checked (admittedly quite a while ago) this was not true on 
> Linux, just on Mac and Win. perhaps this has changed?
> Anybody currently working on Linux know if RR can nowadays properly open 
> mac or win text files and translate line-endings without scripted 
> assistance?

There are certain instances where line endings are not translated. For 
example, if you open a file for binary read, or use the "binfile" form 
of the URL container, the original endings remain the same. When you had 
problems, were you using either of these methods?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 19:51:44 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:51:44 -0700
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703291445k26e8c61pb2fe4a01799bf9f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2319F20.44979%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/29/07 2:45 PM, "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:

>> What I found the most helpful is to be able to instantly search all
>> the scripts of every Rev project I've ever worked on without having
>> to open them.
>> 
>> (Opening them in Rev takes more time, and sometimes triggers openCard
>> and openStack scripts, and there are sometimes stack name conflicts,
>> especially with older versions of the same stack :-)
> 
> I agree, but opening a stack file in a text editor also works fine (so
> long as you don't save). Mixed in with all the binary junk, the
> scripts are all available in plain text form and can be compared or
> copied.

True, Sarah, but they are not labeled according to stack, object, and are
not in a time stamped file.

using the seconds as the first part of the name of text file holding the
scripts is one of the features I like most.   I can click the saveScript
plugin button, save both the stack and then the scripts; go forth and
explore reworking the code, knowing that the previous version is saved
separately as a time-stamped text file.  Basically a version history of your
scripts as often as you wish, then every so many weeks, purge the oldest
versions.  (Rev crashes don't affect these files)

The second best feature is being able to do a search across all the text
files in the folder, including a regular expressioin-type search.

In fact, since I always use the form of defining a variable "regEx"

put "(?Ui).*(clientName)$" into regEx
put replaceText(formLetter,regEx, tClientName) into letterToSend

I can search for all the ways I have used "regEx" in my scripts.  Wish I
would have started doing this 2 years ago when I did some heavy regEx stuff.
Ah, well, someday......

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Thu Mar 29 20:00:50 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 01:00:50 +0100
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <460C446E.4040701@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <513458.94004.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<071C6FAA-B608-4EBA-9993-3375057F5CEF@manchester.ac.uk>	<E3C9B6FE-3352-4765-8B61-A4A03C71D151@byu.edu>	<460C1995.2070201@harbourhosting.co.uk>
	<460C446E.4040701@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <460C5332.8060406@harbourhosting.co.uk>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Martin Baxter wrote:
> 
>> Last I checked (admittedly quite a while ago) this was not true on 
>> Linux, just on Mac and Win. perhaps this has changed?
>> Anybody currently working on Linux know if RR can nowadays properly 
>> open mac or win text files and translate line-endings without scripted 
>> assistance?
> 
> There are certain instances where line endings are not translated. For 
> example, if you open a file for binary read, or use the "binfile" form 
> of the URL container, the original endings remain the same. When you had 
> problems, were you using either of these methods?
> 

This is opening the files as text - i.e. using file:. With binfile: data 
is unaffected on any platform as expected.

I determined, by testing, that on Linux (and I would assume - other 
Unixes as well) there appears to be an assumption that any text files 
you import already have LF line endings, so no conversion is done. On 
Mac and Windows the native line endings (for either platform) are 
automagically translated.

The logic behind this seems to be that on Mac and Win the native text 
file line endings need converting to the internal format, but on Linux 
they don't, as native files already are LF terminated. I concluded that 
the fact that you can move text files between mac and win without 
worrying about line endings may be an accident of the implementation 
rather than a deliberate intention.

Since I was writing an app to run on Mac & Win & Linux at the time, I 
got around this by re-writing my file I/O to always use binfile: and to 
manage the line endings myself by script.

But this was a surprise when I discovered it. My text file data had to 
be portable between the different platform versions and I had assumed, 
on the basis of Mac and Win experience, that RR would take care of this 
in the same way in Linux (i.e. would convert win and mac files when 
importing them). But when I actually moved a project from Win to Linux 
it turned up full of unexpected ascii 13s, which is when I investigated 
this.

This was a couple of years back now I suppose, version 2.1.2 I think. I 
haven't tried newer versions of RR on Linux. So although I suspect it's 
still the same, I don't really know.

Martin


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Mar 29 19:56:13 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:56:13 -0500
Subject: Open A Windows Desktop Folder?
In-Reply-To: <C2318F82.223F4%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C2318F82.223F4%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <20070329185613280461.eaa88102@sonsothunder.com>

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:45:06 -0700, Scott Rossi wrote:

> on openFolder pPath
>   replace "/" with "\" in pPath
>   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>   get shell("explorer.exe /root,"& quote & pPath & quote)
> end openFolder

You need to add "start" before your call:

   get shell("start explorer.exe /root,"& quote & pPath & quote)

And now that I've found that, I'll go update the tip on my site...

:-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From wdurden at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 19:57:12 2007
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:57:12 -0400
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <460C41D4.3090309@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <29bc7bd40703290437s1140ee83sac82cca5586af7d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C41D4.3090309@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <29bc7bd40703291657v278f46a6n6d4532a7ad84be8e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jaqueline!

Thanks for your comments.  I actually waded in and put in the time today and
have solved this already.

CGI is particularly aggravating because it tends to involve multiple files
(the form posting page, the cgi script, any text files being used as flat
file databases, and any text files being used as templates for the returned
HTML pages).  It's maddening tracking the changes, getting them to the right
directories on the servers, etc.  And that's without worrying with the code
in the CGI script itself!

I actually did move things into a button in the ide and found a dropped end
if...:)   That was but one of a couple of items however !

I swear sometimes I believe I am net more productive saving the script one
line at a time for any change and ftp'ing it up and testing, no matter how
small the change.

One other note for others just going down the path of using rev for cgi
work; if you break your ftp connection while stepping through the cycle of
change, ftp up, test, etc.; when you reconnect, make SURE you navigate back
to the cgi-bin directory!  I lost a half of an hour commenting out lines,
ftp'ing up, and testing to no avail because after my reconnect I was sending
up the file to the wrong directory and was testing against the old unchanged
version! :)

Still, when all is sorted out, rev works like a charm for cgi stuff it
seems!

Thanks again for the suggestions Jaque!


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Mar 29 20:05:33 2007
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:05:33 -0700
Subject: Open A Windows Desktop Folder?
In-Reply-To: <20070329185613280461.eaa88102@sonsothunder.com>
Message-ID: <C231A25D.22420%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Ken Ray wrote:

>> on openFolder pPath
>>   replace "/" with "\" in pPath
>>   set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>>   get shell("explorer.exe /root,"& quote & pPath & quote)
>> end openFolder
> 
> You need to add "start" before your call:
> 
>    get shell("start explorer.exe /root,"& quote & pPath & quote)

Bingo!  Thanks Ken!

> And now that I've found that, I'll go update the tip on my site...

Yeah, this currently works better than the .lnk technique as it works with
folders :-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design




From userev at canelasoftware.com  Thu Mar 29 20:16:19 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:16:19 -0700
Subject: Alias to Folder?
In-Reply-To: <C2315DD7.223B9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C2315DD7.223B9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <83A7522C-99BB-4209-88B0-14DA0B8E2521@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 29, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> The docs say we have a create alias command.
>
> Is it possible to create an alias to a folder?  (Rev 2.4, 2.7, 2.8)
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi


Hi Scott,

Here is a bit of code I use to create an alias to an app on Macs.   
Since apps are viewed as folders, maybe this can be used with little  
or no modification.

  --CREATE AN ALIAS FOR THE APPLICATION ON THE DESKTOP
     repeat for each line thisLine in tFiles
         put specialFolderPath("desktop") into tAliasLoc
         put "/" & thisLine after tAliasLoc

         --IF THE ALIAS ALREADY EXISTS THEN DELETE IT FIRST
         --AS THE OLD ONE WILL BREAK THE INSTALLER
         if there is a folder tAliasLoc then
             revDeleteFolder tAliasLoc
         end if

         put specialFolderPath("desktop") into tAliasLoc
         put "/" & quote & thisLine & quote after tAliasLoc
         put tDestLoc into tSourceOfAlias
         put "/" & quote & thisLine & ".app" & quote after  
tSourceOfAlias
         put "ln -s" && tSourceOfAlias && tAliasLoc into tCmd
         put shell (tCmd)
     end repeat


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From userev at canelasoftware.com  Thu Mar 29 20:18:29 2007
From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:18:29 -0700
Subject: Alias to Folder?
In-Reply-To: <C2315DD7.223B9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C2315DD7.223B9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <03CC6475-E631-45FF-99F7-49B06154E06E@canelasoftware.com>


On Mar 29, 2007, at 12:13 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> The docs say we have a create alias command.
>
> Is it possible to create an alias to a folder?  (Rev 2.4, 2.7, 2.8)
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi


After looking at this, I suppose the relevant part is:

  put "ln -s" && tSourceOfAlias && tAliasLoc into tCmd
  put shell (tCmd)


Mark Talluto
-- 
CANELA Software
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 29 20:34:39 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:34:39 -0500
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <29bc7bd40703291657v278f46a6n6d4532a7ad84be8e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29bc7bd40703290437s1140ee83sac82cca5586af7d8@mail.gmail.com>	<460C41D4.3090309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291657v278f46a6n6d4532a7ad84be8e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <460C5B1F.2000603@hyperactivesw.com>

wayne durden wrote:

> I swear sometimes I believe I am net more productive saving the script one
> line at a time for any change and ftp'ing it up and testing, no matter how
> small the change.

Actually, I do that a lot. :)

For those on a Mac, I highly recommend BBEdit and Fetch for cgi work. 
Fetch allows you to edit a file directly on the server; it opens the 
file with BBEdit and when you save your changes in BBEdit, they become 
live immediately. It avoids the whole download/edit/re-upload cycle. 
There may be other FTP programs that interact with BBEdit the same way, 
I just happen to own Fetch.

If there are similar programs for Windows, maybe someone knows and will 
tell us.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Mar 29 20:47:58 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:47:58 -0500
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <460C5332.8060406@harbourhosting.co.uk>
References: <513458.94004.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<071C6FAA-B608-4EBA-9993-3375057F5CEF@manchester.ac.uk>	<E3C9B6FE-3352-4765-8B61-A4A03C71D151@byu.edu>	<460C1995.2070201@harbourhosting.co.uk>	<460C446E.4040701@hyperactivesw.com>
	<460C5332.8060406@harbourhosting.co.uk>
Message-ID: <460C5E3E.7010808@hyperactivesw.com>

Martin Baxter wrote:

> I determined, by testing, that on Linux (and I would assume - other 
> Unixes as well) there appears to be an assumption that any text files 
> you import already have LF line endings, so no conversion is done. On 
> Mac and Windows the native line endings (for either platform) are 
> automagically translated.

I just tried it and yes, it's still there. Thanks for pointing this out. 
I'll bugzilla it. Learn something every day.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 29 20:54:21 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:54:21 -0700
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <460C5B1F.2000603@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C231ADCD.4498A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/29/07 5:34 PM, "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> wayne durden wrote:
> 
>> I swear sometimes I believe I am net more productive saving the script one
>> line at a time for any change and ftp'ing it up and testing, no matter how
>> small the change.
> 
> Actually, I do that a lot. :)
> 
> For those on a Mac, I highly recommend BBEdit and Fetch for cgi work.
> Fetch allows you to edit a file directly on the server; it opens the
> file with BBEdit and when you save your changes in BBEdit, they become
> live immediately. It avoids the whole download/edit/re-upload cycle.
> There may be other FTP programs that interact with BBEdit the same way,
> I just happen to own Fetch.
> 
> If there are similar programs for Windows, maybe someone knows and will
> tell us. 

Actually, Ftp open/save is built into BBEdit  [ ver 8.2.6 on OSX 10.4.7 ]
In the file menu:
Open from Ftp folder...
Save to Ftp folder
Save copy to Ftp folder...

You can setup all of your ftp folders and manage the site within BBEdit.

Check out the scripts menu:
Change the default web site
Open site Local Folder...
Make new personal web site

The search and replace will work across server folders since you can make a
list of folders at any URL, then unleash the BBEdit tool of your choice.

You can even preview in BBEdit multiple .html docs (see the Markup menu)
that will dynamically update as you type or paste code (don't have to save
to see the effect, just keep making changes, and it keeps updating), then
save to the server.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas







From mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk  Thu Mar 29 21:08:51 2007
From: mb.userev at harbourhosting.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:08:51 +0100
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <460C5B1F.2000603@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <29bc7bd40703290437s1140ee83sac82cca5586af7d8@mail.gmail.com>	<460C41D4.3090309@hyperactivesw.com>	<29bc7bd40703291657v278f46a6n6d4532a7ad84be8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C5B1F.2000603@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <460C6323.5030805@harbourhosting.co.uk>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> wayne durden wrote:
> 
>> I swear sometimes I believe I am net more productive saving the script 
>> one
>> line at a time for any change and ftp'ing it up and testing, no matter 
>> how
>> small the change.
> 
> Actually, I do that a lot. :)
> 
> For those on a Mac, I highly recommend BBEdit and Fetch for cgi work. 
> Fetch allows you to edit a file directly on the server; it opens the 
> file with BBEdit and when you save your changes in BBEdit, they become 
> live immediately. It avoids the whole download/edit/re-upload cycle. 
> There may be other FTP programs that interact with BBEdit the same way, 
> I just happen to own Fetch.
> 
> If there are similar programs for Windows, maybe someone knows and will 
> tell us.
> 

UltraEdit is one, - has built in ftp, sftp, ssh ...

<http://www.ultraedit.com/index.php?name=UE_MoreFeatures>

Martin Baxter


From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Mar 29 21:08:00 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:08:00 -0300
Subject: SOLUTION: Anyone here still trying to run applescript from CGI?
Message-ID: <AAEB9B3A-8A60-4B88-A8C2-F3672C008C6B@mac.com>

Hello Folks,

every once in a while, people here ask about "How to run applescript  
from CGI", this is specially cumbersome since we're locked with the  
Darwin engine which has no alternateLanguages support. I know that  
me, Kee, Mark Smith and Gary Thompson were looking for such solution  
for some time. I finally was able to do it. It is not straight  
forward and it requires compiling C stuff and the like... but it  
works very fine once it's done.

For the purpose of this email, I'll first talk about how it works and  
then explain on how to implement it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
THE WAY IT WORKS
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

1) Browser requests a Revolution CGI.
2) Revolution CGI does its stuff and output a file with the  
applescript to be executed.
3) Revolution CGI executes the file using shell() and the following  
command "osascript <filename>"
4) Revolution CGI picks the result from shell() and uses it.
5) Revolution CGI respond to browser.

osascript is a command line tool that executes applescript from the  
terminal. It comes bundled with Mac OS X and it is very nice. So what  
is the problem?! Well the Apache Server is running as user www in Mac  
OS X in a separate universe from the rest of Mac OS X, osascript  
needs to access the windowserver to run (windowserver is the shiny  
thing), the user www can't access such part of the system so calling  
osascript from cgi fails unless we're able to execute osascript as  
another user such as the user that is logged in the machine.

I think that everyone trying to use applescript from CGI is trying to  
query or control some running application, this application is  
running as the logged user, so osascript needs to run like that user.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
THE HARD PATH TO APPLESCRIPT
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

To execute osascript as another user we need Apache suEXEC which is  
an apache gizmo that does just that, execute apps as another user so  
we can make cgis and ssi run as some other guy instead of www. The  
problem is, having a generic suEXEC would be a security breach, so  
you set its configuration during compile time locking it to some  
folders and permissions so that for example, no one is able to run  
your suEXEC as ROOT and hack your machine. To compile suEXEC you need  
to fetch the source for all the apache server and build it, yes, you  
need to compile the whole apache server just to fetch that little  
suEXEC binary from it and put it onto your bundled-with apache. The  
whole compilation of apache on my macbook takes like 1 minute and a  
half, no thats not too painful.

First check what is your apache version with:

httpd -v

then go to apache project homepage and fetch the source to that same  
version. put it somewhere safe and decompress it. Configure apache  
for suEXEC with the following big one line command.

./configure --enable-suexec --suexec-caller=www --suexec-docroot=/ 
Users  --suexec-userdir=Sites --suexec-gidmin=20 --suexec-logfile=/ 
var/log/httpd/suEXEC_log

This will configure apache telling it to enable suEXEC and the  
following things:
	* it will tell that the user that runs apache is www (default on mac  
os x)
	* it will set the root folder for suEXEC to /Users (I'll explain why  
that later, but it is to run as a diferent user)
	* it will set the default folder to "Sites" (Remember that Sites  
folder in you home folder, so we will need that later)
	* it sets a logfile and a GID.

after executing that command to configure apache, you need to build  
it, you do that by doing:

make

You know you need Apple Developer Tools for all this to work for you  
need gcc & friends for building any unix stuff, so if you're trying  
to compile something and you can't chances are that you don't have  
the Developer tools installed, go to apple developer site and fetch  
it, its a 1gb download to XCode, GCC, D-Trace and all the nice C  
things we pray everynight to stay away from us.

After doing the "make" you'll have all the binaries you need. Apache  
will detect the presence of "suEXEC" if it is placed on /usr/bin so  
you just need:

sudo cp src/support/suexec /usr/sbin/
sudo chmod u+s /usr/sbin/suexec

remeber that this path is relative to the apache path. You need to be  
the super user to copy that file to that place, then you set the  
permissions to suEXEC. If this is done right you just need to restart  
apache and check the log file

sudo apachectl stop
sudo apachectl start
cat /var/log/httpd/error_log

you'll see a line like:

[Thu Mar 29 21:21:53 2007] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled  
(wrapper: /usr/sbin/suexec)

if everything worked. So now you got suEXEC running on your Apache  
Server... now what... you still need to tell the cgi to run osascript  
as some other guy. See you're usually trying to query some  
application that is running as some user account, the easiest way to  
run suEXEC is to place the cgi on that users "Sites" folder, this  
way, it will run as that user and be able to use applescript with  
anything that that user could do. Thats why we configured suEXEC with  
"/Users" and "Sites".

Putting the CGI on that place alone will not work, you still need to  
tell apache configuration that that specific "Sites" folder for that  
specific user is allowed to run cgi. To do that you go to /private/ 
etc/httpd/users/ and find your user file inside it will be something  
like username.conf. In that file you change the "Options" to allow  
CGI execution and you use "addHandler" to bind an extension such  
as .cgi to cgi execution, you need to restart apache so that the  
configuration changes start working. Mine looks like this:

<Directory "/Users/soapdog/Sites/">
         AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
     Options Indexes MultiViews ExecCGI
     AllowOverride None
     Order allow,deny
     Allow from all
</Directory>

this final configuration could probably be done using ".htaccess"  
files too. After this, you can place cgis in the "Sites" folder and  
make them call "osascript filename" that things should work as  
expected. So again a summary:

Step 1) Fetch apache source
Step 2) Compile it with the correct suEXEC params.
Step 3) Move the suEXEC binary to the correct location and set perms.
Step 4) Change user configuration to allow CGI execution from home  
"Sites" folder.
Step 5) restart apache.

It's easier done than explained...

so, the old problem of running applescript from cgi is solved. If  
anyone wants to know, solving this thing took me five big glasses of  
tangerine juice, two sandwiches, one chocolate (while I was  
frustraded that osascript didn't work with www) and three medidation  
showers (yes, I think about code while in the shower, it helps).

cheers
andre




From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Mar 29 21:09:56 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:09:56 -0300
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <460C5B1F.2000603@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <29bc7bd40703290437s1140ee83sac82cca5586af7d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C41D4.3090309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291657v278f46a6n6d4532a7ad84be8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C5B1F.2000603@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BDA78742-A6AE-4F53-A1F8-3D1EA36916AF@mac.com>

Anyone doing CGI work with Rev could use my RevHTTP suite that allows  
you to debug CGIs from inside the Revolution IDE, this way, you'll  
only upload your cgi when you're positive it works...

It's really a time saver, setting breakpoints in CGI and stepping thru.

On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:34 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> wayne durden wrote:
>
>> I swear sometimes I believe I am net more productive saving the  
>> script one
>> line at a time for any change and ftp'ing it up and testing, no  
>> matter how
>> small the change.
>
> Actually, I do that a lot. :)
>
> For those on a Mac, I highly recommend BBEdit and Fetch for cgi  
> work. Fetch allows you to edit a file directly on the server; it  
> opens the file with BBEdit and when you save your changes in  
> BBEdit, they become live immediately. It avoids the whole download/ 
> edit/re-upload cycle. There may be other FTP programs that interact  
> with BBEdit the same way, I just happen to own Fetch.
>
> If there are similar programs for Windows, maybe someone knows and  
> will tell us.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your  
> subscription preferences:
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From wdurden at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 21:19:41 2007
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:19:41 -0400
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <BDA78742-A6AE-4F53-A1F8-3D1EA36916AF@mac.com>
References: <29bc7bd40703290437s1140ee83sac82cca5586af7d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C41D4.3090309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291657v278f46a6n6d4532a7ad84be8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C5B1F.2000603@hyperactivesw.com>
	<BDA78742-A6AE-4F53-A1F8-3D1EA36916AF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <29bc7bd40703291819g225b2961x72fb656ea521e476@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andre:

I am interested but the link I found on the web to it was offline?  could
you post where it's available?



On 3/29/07, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone doing CGI work with Rev could use my RevHTTP suite that allows
> you to debug CGIs from inside the Revolution IDE, this way, you'll
> only upload your cgi when you're positive it works...
>
> It's really a time saver, setting breakpoints in CGI and stepping thru.
>
> On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:34 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
> > wayne durden wrote:
> >
> >> I swear sometimes I believe I am net more productive saving the
> >> script one
> >> line at a time for any change and ftp'ing it up and testing, no
> >> matter how
> >> small the change.
> >
> > Actually, I do that a lot. :)
> >
> > For those on a Mac, I highly recommend BBEdit and Fetch for cgi
> > work. Fetch allows you to edit a file directly on the server; it
> > opens the file with BBEdit and when you save your changes in
> > BBEdit, they become live immediately. It avoids the whole download/
> > edit/re-upload cycle. There may be other FTP programs that interact
> > with BBEdit the same way, I just happen to own Fetch.
> >
> > If there are similar programs for Windows, maybe someone knows and
> > will tell us.
> >
> > --
> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> > subscription preferences:
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Mar 29 21:26:28 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:26:28 -0300
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <29bc7bd40703291819g225b2961x72fb656ea521e476@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29bc7bd40703290437s1140ee83sac82cca5586af7d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C41D4.3090309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291657v278f46a6n6d4532a7ad84be8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C5B1F.2000603@hyperactivesw.com>
	<BDA78742-A6AE-4F53-A1F8-3D1EA36916AF@mac.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291819g225b2961x72fb656ea521e476@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <664D3D78-059A-43DA-BCEB-6CB690D9F990@mac.com>

damn, my server is crashing!!!

allow me ten minutes to put it back up

andre

On Mar 29, 2007, at 10:19 PM, wayne durden wrote:

> Hi Andre:
>
> I am interested but the link I found on the web to it was offline?   
> could
> you post where it's available?
>
>
>
> On 3/29/07, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone doing CGI work with Rev could use my RevHTTP suite that allows
>> you to debug CGIs from inside the Revolution IDE, this way, you'll
>> only upload your cgi when you're positive it works...
>>
>> It's really a time saver, setting breakpoints in CGI and stepping  
>> thru.
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:34 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>>
>> > wayne durden wrote:
>> >
>> >> I swear sometimes I believe I am net more productive saving the
>> >> script one
>> >> line at a time for any change and ftp'ing it up and testing, no
>> >> matter how
>> >> small the change.
>> >
>> > Actually, I do that a lot. :)
>> >
>> > For those on a Mac, I highly recommend BBEdit and Fetch for cgi
>> > work. Fetch allows you to edit a file directly on the server; it
>> > opens the file with BBEdit and when you save your changes in
>> > BBEdit, they become live immediately. It avoids the whole download/
>> > edit/re-upload cycle. There may be other FTP programs that interact
>> > with BBEdit the same way, I just happen to own Fetch.
>> >
>> > If there are similar programs for Windows, maybe someone knows and
>> > will tell us.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > use-revolution mailing list
>> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> > subscription preferences:
>> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From wdurden at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 21:29:26 2007
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:29:26 -0400
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <664D3D78-059A-43DA-BCEB-6CB690D9F990@mac.com>
References: <29bc7bd40703290437s1140ee83sac82cca5586af7d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C41D4.3090309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291657v278f46a6n6d4532a7ad84be8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C5B1F.2000603@hyperactivesw.com>
	<BDA78742-A6AE-4F53-A1F8-3D1EA36916AF@mac.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291819g225b2961x72fb656ea521e476@mail.gmail.com>
	<664D3D78-059A-43DA-BCEB-6CB690D9F990@mac.com>
Message-ID: <29bc7bd40703291829k1583082nf59c02a71519f79b@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if the Rev community can afford to let you go back to school
Andre :)

I am reading posts and info about revonrockets from revconwest, and I am
looking forward to giving this a go!

Wayne


On 3/29/07, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>
> damn, my server is crashing!!!
>
> allow me ten minutes to put it back up
>
> andre
>
> On Mar 29, 2007, at 10:19 PM, wayne durden wrote:
>
> > Hi Andre:
> >
> > I am interested but the link I found on the web to it was offline?
> > could
> > you post where it's available?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3/29/07, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Anyone doing CGI work with Rev could use my RevHTTP suite that allows
> >> you to debug CGIs from inside the Revolution IDE, this way, you'll
> >> only upload your cgi when you're positive it works...
> >>
> >> It's really a time saver, setting breakpoints in CGI and stepping
> >> thru.
> >>
> >> On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:34 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> >>
> >> > wayne durden wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> I swear sometimes I believe I am net more productive saving the
> >> >> script one
> >> >> line at a time for any change and ftp'ing it up and testing, no
> >> >> matter how
> >> >> small the change.
> >> >
> >> > Actually, I do that a lot. :)
> >> >
> >> > For those on a Mac, I highly recommend BBEdit and Fetch for cgi
> >> > work. Fetch allows you to edit a file directly on the server; it
> >> > opens the file with BBEdit and when you save your changes in
> >> > BBEdit, they become live immediately. It avoids the whole download/
> >> > edit/re-upload cycle. There may be other FTP programs that interact
> >> > with BBEdit the same way, I just happen to own Fetch.
> >> >
> >> > If there are similar programs for Windows, maybe someone knows and
> >> > will tell us.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> > HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > use-revolution mailing list
> >> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
> >> > subscription preferences:
> >> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >>
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From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 21:33:45 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:33:45 +0800
Subject: Newbie Question
In-Reply-To: <88976240-8438-4DE6-831F-6ACD357F9133@manchester.ac.uk>
References: <C22F713C.237B0%dick.kriesel@mail.com>
	<88976240-8438-4DE6-831F-6ACD357F9133@manchester.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703291833g7c9af458n34e448a17cc69fb5@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/28/07, Simon HARPER <simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Regarding the online dictionary, it seems to be different on the mac
> - the tutorials suggest you can use a drill down approach looking for
> say messages or commands and then locating the one you want
> (serendipitous browse) however on my mac I seem to only be presented
> with just a huge list and expected to know the name of the command I
> want (targeted search). Is there anyway to get the browse facility?


Just to point a couple of things out about the A-Z dictionary you may not
know.

When first opened you are given all the keywords in alphabetical order,
which as you say for a new user can be a next to useless. As with any good
table, if you click on the column headers the list will be sorted, so by
clicking on Type you can get all the Commands or Functions listed together.
Clicking again will sort in reverse order. Additionally you can change which
columns are displayed by (on Mac) clicking on any column header with the
'ctrl' key pressed - note, unlike most contextual menus in this case you
need to release the mouse so a mouseUp message is sent. Columns I find
useful are Type, Syntax, Synonyms and Library. Library is good because you
can get all the Database, XML etc commands/functions/properties listed
together.

Lastly, remember to look at the "See Also:" for each entry. These are
hyperlinked to their appropriate entry so when you do a 'basic' search for
'sort' or 'repeat' you may get an See Also link that refers more
specifically with what you had in mind.

HTH


From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Mar 29 21:37:56 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:37:56 -0300
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <29bc7bd40703291829k1583082nf59c02a71519f79b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <29bc7bd40703290437s1140ee83sac82cca5586af7d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C41D4.3090309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291657v278f46a6n6d4532a7ad84be8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C5B1F.2000603@hyperactivesw.com>
	<BDA78742-A6AE-4F53-A1F8-3D1EA36916AF@mac.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291819g225b2961x72fb656ea521e476@mail.gmail.com>
	<664D3D78-059A-43DA-BCEB-6CB690D9F990@mac.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291829k1583082nf59c02a71519f79b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B29C56B-7D4E-4BED-A227-731A24D3BCCA@mac.com>

Wayne,

my server has crashed for some weird reason, so I disabled it's  
fastCGI support, meaning, my page is down, but the server is running  
and you can fetch your file at:

http://andregarzia.com/RevHTTP.zip

Cheers
andre


On Mar 29, 2007, at 10:29 PM, wayne durden wrote:

> I don't know if the Rev community can afford to let you go back to  
> school
> Andre :)
>
> I am reading posts and info about revonrockets from revconwest, and  
> I am
> looking forward to giving this a go!
>
> Wayne
>
>
> On 3/29/07, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> damn, my server is crashing!!!
>>
>> allow me ten minutes to put it back up
>>
>> andre
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2007, at 10:19 PM, wayne durden wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Andre:
>> >
>> > I am interested but the link I found on the web to it was offline?
>> > could
>> > you post where it's available?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/29/07, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Anyone doing CGI work with Rev could use my RevHTTP suite that  
>> allows
>> >> you to debug CGIs from inside the Revolution IDE, this way, you'll
>> >> only upload your cgi when you're positive it works...
>> >>
>> >> It's really a time saver, setting breakpoints in CGI and stepping
>> >> thru.
>> >>
>> >> On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:34 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > wayne durden wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I swear sometimes I believe I am net more productive saving the
>> >> >> script one
>> >> >> line at a time for any change and ftp'ing it up and testing, no
>> >> >> matter how
>> >> >> small the change.
>> >> >
>> >> > Actually, I do that a lot. :)
>> >> >
>> >> > For those on a Mac, I highly recommend BBEdit and Fetch for cgi
>> >> > work. Fetch allows you to edit a file directly on the server; it
>> >> > opens the file with BBEdit and when you save your changes in
>> >> > BBEdit, they become live immediately. It avoids the whole  
>> download/
>> >> > edit/re-upload cycle. There may be other FTP programs that  
>> interact
>> >> > with BBEdit the same way, I just happen to own Fetch.
>> >> >
>> >> > If there are similar programs for Windows, maybe someone  
>> knows and
>> >> > will tell us.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>> >> > HyperActive Software           |     http:// 
>> www.hyperactivesw.com
>> >> > _______________________________________________
>> >> > use-revolution mailing list
>> >> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> >> > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your
>> >> > subscription preferences:
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>> >>
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From wdurden at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 21:41:50 2007
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 21:41:50 -0400
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <0B29C56B-7D4E-4BED-A227-731A24D3BCCA@mac.com>
References: <29bc7bd40703290437s1140ee83sac82cca5586af7d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C41D4.3090309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291657v278f46a6n6d4532a7ad84be8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C5B1F.2000603@hyperactivesw.com>
	<BDA78742-A6AE-4F53-A1F8-3D1EA36916AF@mac.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291819g225b2961x72fb656ea521e476@mail.gmail.com>
	<664D3D78-059A-43DA-BCEB-6CB690D9F990@mac.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291829k1583082nf59c02a71519f79b@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B29C56B-7D4E-4BED-A227-731A24D3BCCA@mac.com>
Message-ID: <29bc7bd40703291841p40b53cb9t803151fb394d7c3b@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andre!  I have grabbed it and will likely explore it a good bit
tomorrow afternoon.  I have a handful of perl scripts I would like to
migrate and unify and this might be a helpful way to do it!

I wish you all the best and hope all goes well!

Wayne


On 3/29/07, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
>
> Wayne,
>
> my server has crashed for some weird reason, so I disabled it's
> fastCGI support, meaning, my page is down, but the server is running
> and you can fetch your file at:
>
> http://andregarzia.com/RevHTTP.zip
>
> Cheers
> andre
>
>
> On Mar 29, 2007, at 10:29 PM, wayne durden wrote:
>
> > I don't know if the Rev community can afford to let you go back to
> > school
> > Andre :)
> >
> > I am reading posts and info about revonrockets from revconwest, and
> > I am
> > looking forward to giving this a go!
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
> > On 3/29/07, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> damn, my server is crashing!!!
> >>
> >> allow me ten minutes to put it back up
> >>
> >> andre
> >>
> >> On Mar 29, 2007, at 10:19 PM, wayne durden wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi Andre:
> >> >
> >> > I am interested but the link I found on the web to it was offline?
> >> > could
> >> > you post where it's available?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 3/29/07, Andre Garzia <soapdog at mac.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Anyone doing CGI work with Rev could use my RevHTTP suite that
> >> allows
> >> >> you to debug CGIs from inside the Revolution IDE, this way, you'll
> >> >> only upload your cgi when you're positive it works...
> >> >>
> >> >> It's really a time saver, setting breakpoints in CGI and stepping
> >> >> thru.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:34 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > wayne durden wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I swear sometimes I believe I am net more productive saving the
> >> >> >> script one
> >> >> >> line at a time for any change and ftp'ing it up and testing, no
> >> >> >> matter how
> >> >> >> small the change.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Actually, I do that a lot. :)
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For those on a Mac, I highly recommend BBEdit and Fetch for cgi
> >> >> > work. Fetch allows you to edit a file directly on the server; it
> >> >> > opens the file with BBEdit and when you save your changes in
> >> >> > BBEdit, they become live immediately. It avoids the whole
> >> download/
> >> >> > edit/re-upload cycle. There may be other FTP programs that
> >> interact
> >> >> > with BBEdit the same way, I just happen to own Fetch.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If there are similar programs for Windows, maybe someone
> >> knows and
> >> >> > will tell us.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> >> >> > HyperActive Software           |     http://
> >> www.hyperactivesw.com
> >> >> > _______________________________________________
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Mar 29 21:55:27 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 18:55:27 -0700
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
Message-ID: <460C6E0F.2090306@fourthworld.com>

Jim Ault wrote:

> Actually, Ftp open/save is built into BBEdit  [ ver 8.2.6 on OSX 10.4.7 ]

Rev has built-in FTP too. :)

I made a little stack with buttons for my scripts, so editing them gives 
me the auto-formatting I enjoy.  Added a button to upload them to the 
server, and some others to test it -- all in one convenient stack.  Took 
just a few minutes to toss together.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 22:02:52 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:02:52 +0800
Subject: exportscripts.rev - Correction
In-Reply-To: <A8EF3BA5-17B8-4E73-9CB2-ADAEEC5158AE@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <9726381.post@talk.nabble.com> <460B5A35.000001.01492@MAZYTIS>
	<20070329132259322952.cec6a1ce@sonsothunder.com>
	<20070329151809497011.2cc1de52@sonsothunder.com>
	<E26E64AF-D6FC-4059-958F-D24315A75DC4@byu.edu>
	<A8EF3BA5-17B8-4E73-9CB2-ADAEEC5158AE@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703291902w46962d3dsf0642f706555ba4b@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/30/07, Trevor DeVore <lists at mangomultimedia.com> wrote:
>
> You are probably on an Intel machine.  I had to recompile and modify
> the code a bit to work with the modified language code glue that
> BareBones introduced with Intel support.  I can send it to you if you
> email me off-list.  Someday my site will be updated.  I'm just not
> sure when.


Jacque sent me this, I think you were busy with a new baby (probably more so
now), but I just wanted to say thanks, and when next you're fiddling with it
I notice 'case' doesn't colourize as it should.

Thanks again.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 29 23:23:19 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:23:19 -0800
Subject: SOLUTION: Anyone here still trying to run applescript from CGI?
In-Reply-To: <AAEB9B3A-8A60-4B88-A8C2-F3672C008C6B@mac.com>
References: <AAEB9B3A-8A60-4B88-A8C2-F3672C008C6B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <262115241.20070329192319@ahsoftware.net>

Andre-

This is great. Just great. Do you know if this would break if the gcc
library dependencies changed? Been through that already trying to get
cgi access in linux...

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 22:24:10 2007
From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:24:10 +0800
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <EFA334E0-C7B9-4D46-9FDE-A8E3536E8AF3@daniels-mara.com>
References: <C23127D9.448DA%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<EFA334E0-C7B9-4D46-9FDE-A8E3536E8AF3@daniels-mara.com>
Message-ID: <f73a98160703291924p371e2ce0p83e45bef5a74b864@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/30/07, Jerry Daniels <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:
>
> If you value your time and your sanity, you might give Galaxy a test
> drive:


Jerry, can you confirm that if I want to do a 'replace all' of a term in
EVERY occurrence within a stack and it's substacks, I have to turn Galaxy
Off and use the Rev IDE Find and Replace?


As usual, I'm probably missing the bleeding obvious.


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Thu Mar 29 23:26:12 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:26:12 -0800
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <C2319F20.44979%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2319F20.44979%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <552288660.20070329192612@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

Thursday, March 29, 2007, 3:51:44 PM, you wrote:

> put "(?Ui).*(clientName)$" into regEx
> put replaceText(formLetter,regEx, tClientName) into letterToSend

...nice...

> I can search for all the ways I have used "regEx" in my scripts.  Wish I
> would have started doing this 2 years ago when I did some heavy regEx stuff.
> Ah, well, someday......

Hindsight is wonderful, ain't it?

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From soapdog at mac.com  Thu Mar 29 22:59:53 2007
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:59:53 -0300
Subject: SOLUTION: Anyone here still trying to run applescript from CGI?
In-Reply-To: <262115241.20070329192319@ahsoftware.net>
References: <AAEB9B3A-8A60-4B88-A8C2-F3672C008C6B@mac.com>
	<262115241.20070329192319@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <58C7547D-E32A-402E-876C-6BCE6BC91303@mac.com>

Mark,

I just checked here:

MacBook:/Library/WebServer/Documents/Testing soapdog$ otool -L /usr/ 
sbin/suexec
/usr/sbin/suexec:
         /usr/lib/libSystem.B.dylib (compatibility version 1.0.0,  
current version 88.3.6)

suexec is not linking against any library that might be changed. I  
think it is safe...

cheers
Andre

On Mar 30, 2007, at 12:23 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Andre-
>
> This is great. Just great. Do you know if this would break if the gcc
> library dependencies changed? Been through that already trying to get
> cgi access in linux...
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From katir at hindu.org  Thu Mar 29 23:35:36 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 17:35:36 -1000
Subject: From Planet Bizarre!
Message-ID: <460C8588.9090008@hindu.org>

Can't resist sharing this one.

Imagine the day when one program start clobbering another?
It should never happen, right?

Well it happened yesterday to one of my users who had ATRA open in the 
background
(9 years old and still doing well, Audio Transcriber.rev)

She was surfing in Safari and a pop up window inserted an image into the 
player object
on the ATRA interface that is normally never more than a controller bar 
for MP3's

This user is a super "naive" computer user (still trying to figure out 
how to send attachments
by email.)  But she really gets the work out when things are 
working...So I'm
pretty patient to solve any problem she may have..

Anyway, I just did not believe her... told her to reboot and open ATRA 
again...

Viola... there it was... from Planet Bizarre:

http://www.himalayanacademy.com/runrev/images/BrowserPokesRevPlayer.png

The Safari poked the player object in Rev with imagedata!
Javascript playing at interprocess? Any rect in vram he can find to inhabit?

Scary if you think what such gremlins
might do if it someone on the dark side
understood the underlying mechanisms.

Sivakatirswami



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 30 01:40:59 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 22:40:59 -0700
Subject: Slowing down speaking
In-Reply-To: <58C7547D-E32A-402E-876C-6BCE6BC91303@mac.com>
References: <AAEB9B3A-8A60-4B88-A8C2-F3672C008C6B@mac.com>
	<262115241.20070329192319@ahsoftware.net>
	<58C7547D-E32A-402E-876C-6BCE6BC91303@mac.com>
Message-ID: <10CB398E-528F-4B1A-A8B4-2380BC8E250D@Cox.Net>

Hi all,

Is there any way to  slow down the speaking of text?

Joe Wilkins


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 01:50:49 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:50:49 +1000
Subject: Slowing down speaking
In-Reply-To: <10CB398E-528F-4B1A-A8B4-2380BC8E250D@Cox.Net>
References: <AAEB9B3A-8A60-4B88-A8C2-F3672C008C6B@mac.com>
	<262115241.20070329192319@ahsoftware.net>
	<58C7547D-E32A-402E-876C-6BCE6BC91303@mac.com>
	<10CB398E-528F-4B1A-A8B4-2380BC8E250D@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703292250k93f8842hbced45552847c73d@mail.gmail.com>

> Is there any way to  slow down the speaking of text?

revSetSpeechSpeed wordsPerMinute

Cheers,
Sarah


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 30 02:01:04 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 23:01:04 -0700
Subject: Slowing down speaking
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703292250k93f8842hbced45552847c73d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AAEB9B3A-8A60-4B88-A8C2-F3672C008C6B@mac.com>
	<262115241.20070329192319@ahsoftware.net>
	<58C7547D-E32A-402E-876C-6BCE6BC91303@mac.com>
	<10CB398E-528F-4B1A-A8B4-2380BC8E250D@Cox.Net>
	<f99b52860703292250k93f8842hbced45552847c73d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D703D13E-BC07-4862-AB8B-979764498DA1@Cox.Net>

You're so great Sarah.
Thanks,
Joe Wilkins
On Mar 29, 2007, at 10:50 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote:

>> Is there any way to  slow down the speaking of text?
>
> revSetSpeechSpeed wordsPerMinute
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah



From signe.sanne at roman.uib.no  Fri Mar 30 02:32:37 2007
From: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:32:37 +0200
Subject: Alias to Folder?
In-Reply-To: <C2315DD7.223B9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
References: <C2315DD7.223B9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <79E07734-09A8-4BC4-B964-E5B2480B1939@roman.uib.no>


At least on Windows this works:

   put specialFolderPath("desktop") & "/FolderName.lnk" into  
shortcutName
   create alias(shortcutName) to file theFolder

Note that you use "file" even for a folder!

Den 29. mar. 2007 kl. 21:13 skrev Scott Rossi:

> The docs say we have a create alias command.
>
> Is it possible to create an alias to a folder?  (Rev 2.4, 2.7, 2.8)
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 30 03:18:42 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 00:18:42 -0700
Subject: Dropped Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <79E07734-09A8-4BC4-B964-E5B2480B1939@roman.uib.no>
References: <C2315DD7.223B9%scott@tactilemedia.com>
	<79E07734-09A8-4BC4-B964-E5B2480B1939@roman.uib.no>
Message-ID: <69334103-9B77-4B80-BB4B-3C38F66E7995@Cox.Net>

Hi all,

Well, it took me a few weeks, but I finally managed to get RR to do  
something truly awful! I just lost the entire Menu Bar for my main  
stack. When I select the Build Menu tool, it no longer lists the Menu  
Bar I've been developing. Any ideas as to how I can recover it? I  
hate the thought of building it all over again.

I may have a fairly recent back up, but not as recent as I would  
like, from which I could copy something if I knew what to copy.

TIA,

Joe Wilkins


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 05:24:57 2007
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 02:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dropped Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <69334103-9B77-4B80-BB4B-3C38F66E7995@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <399671.5569.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Well, it took me a few weeks, but I finally managed
> to get RR to do  
> something truly awful! I just lost the entire Menu
> Bar for my main  
> stack. When I select the Build Menu tool, it no
> longer lists the Menu  
> Bar I've been developing. Any ideas as to how I can
> recover it? I  
> hate the thought of building it all over again.
> 
> I may have a fairly recent back up, but not as
> recent as I would  
> like, from which I could copy something if I knew
> what to copy.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 

Hi Joe,

Menubars are actually implemented as groups of
pulldown menu buttons. The advantage of this approach
is that you can more easily 'skin' the appearance of
your application. However, this approach makes it a
little easier to delete by accident if you don't
realize it's sitting there along with your other
groups - especially if you like to nest groups and mix
in backgroundbehavior.
As there's only single-level undo, and deleting a
group from the application browser appears to be an
action that can't be undone, you'll have to bring it
back to life from a backup, I'm afraid.

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
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From viktoras at ekoinf.net  Fri Mar 30 06:00:57 2007
From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (Viktoras Didziulis)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:00:57 +0300 (FLE Daylight Time)
Subject: CD labeling software
References: <399671.5569.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <460CDFD9.000005.03624@MAZYTIS>

Hi, 
 
What CD labeling software do you usually use in your projects to create
eye-candie cd labels and envelopes? Opensource/proprietary, Windows/MacOSX
(on Intel), Linux... Thanks for any suggestions in advance! 
 
All the best, 
Viktoras


From geradamas at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 06:07:51 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:07:51 +0100 (BST)
Subject: CD labeling software
Message-ID: <803132.23187.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I use lightscribe software because I have a
lightscribe compatible Super-Drive:

http://www.lightscribe.com/support/index.aspx?id=302

The drives come with a cheap-and-nasty cutdown version
of the software, and the documentation does not bother
to mention that you can download the full thing for
FREE from the above website.

Lightscribe CDs and DVDs cost about twice what other
media do, but I find the effect is extremely nice - as
do the people who buy my CDs.

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From jerry at daniels-mara.com  Fri Mar 30 09:22:44 2007
From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:22:44 -0500
Subject: exportscripts.rev
In-Reply-To: <f73a98160703291924p371e2ce0p83e45bef5a74b864@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C23127D9.448DA%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<EFA334E0-C7B9-4D46-9FDE-A8E3536E8AF3@daniels-mara.com>
	<f73a98160703291924p371e2ce0p83e45bef5a74b864@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AD4FA150-B5A2-4B4C-9830-D1985CD24F56@daniels-mara.com>

I'm sorry, but I CANNOT confirm that. Use the tool menu on Galaxy  
Projects to find and replace a string. PLUS: Galaxy Projects find or  
find/replace will only target objects that are visible in the tree,  
so you may want to open all folders. This lets you target a search.  
Very handy.

Best,

Jerry Daniels

Makers of Galaxy 1.5
http://www.daniels-mara.com/new_in_galaxy_1_5.htm

On Mar 29, 2007, at 9:24 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:

> On 3/30/07, Jerry Daniels <jerry at daniels-mara.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you value your time and your sanity, you might give Galaxy a test
>> drive:
>
>
> Jerry, can you confirm that if I want to do a 'replace all' of a  
> term in
> EVERY occurrence within a stack and it's substacks, I have to turn  
> Galaxy
> Off and use the Rev IDE Find and Replace?
>
>
> As usual, I'm probably missing the bleeding obvious.
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 30 10:32:21 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 07:32:21 -0700
Subject: Dropped Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <399671.5569.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <399671.5569.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9D77C020-E36F-40DF-BCAE-9175E2E9DE1B@Cox.Net>

Thanks, Jan. I was afraid of that. Though my backup is several days  
old, would it be possible to copy and paste from the old to the new?  
Say, open the old one, go into the application browser. find the  
group, copy it, open the new one and do the same to paste it there?  
The one thing that has crossed my mind, is something I said from a  
like circumstance in my Macinstrut.com articles on Revolution:  
sometimes these things happen for the best, in that the next time we  
do them we have learned  from our previous mistakes and it is better  
done in the end. Something good from something bad. Sigh! AND, more  
frequesnt backups as well.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 30, 2007, at 2:24 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> --- Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Well, it took me a few weeks, but I finally managed
>> to get RR to do
>> something truly awful! I just lost the entire Menu
>> Bar for my main
>> stack. When I select the Build Menu tool, it no
>> longer lists the Menu
>> Bar I've been developing. Any ideas as to how I can
>> recover it? I
>> hate the thought of building it all over again.
>>
>> I may have a fairly recent back up, but not as
>> recent as I would
>> like, from which I could copy something if I knew
>> what to copy.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> Menubars are actually implemented as groups of
> pulldown menu buttons. The advantage of this approach
> is that you can more easily 'skin' the appearance of
> your application. However, this approach makes it a
> little easier to delete by accident if you don't
> realize it's sitting there along with your other
> groups - especially if you like to nest groups and mix
> in backgroundbehavior.
> As there's only single-level undo, and deleting a
> group from the application browser appears to be an
> action that can't be undone, you'll have to bring it
> back to life from a backup, I'm afraid.
>
> Jan Schenkel.
>
> Quartam Reports for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
>
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same  
> time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> ______________
> Don't get soaked.  Take a quick peek at the forecast
> with the Yahoo! Search weather shortcut.
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 30 10:30:34 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:30:34 -0400
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <460C5B1F.2000603@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <29bc7bd40703290437s1140ee83sac82cca5586af7d8@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C41D4.3090309@hyperactivesw.com>
	<29bc7bd40703291657v278f46a6n6d4532a7ad84be8e@mail.gmail.com>
	<460C5B1F.2000603@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p06240801c232cf3ff967@[10.0.1.5]>

Transmit also does this. A bit more modern than Fetch. BBEdit rocks.

sqb


>For those on a Mac, I highly recommend BBEdit and Fetch for cgi 
>work. Fetch allows you to edit a file directly on the server; it 
>opens the file with BBEdit and when you save your changes in BBEdit, 
>they become live immediately. It avoids the whole 
>download/edit/re-upload cycle. There may be other FTP programs that 
>interact with BBEdit the same way, I just happen to own Fetch.
>
>If there are similar programs for Windows, maybe someone knows and 
>will tell us.
>
>--
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 30 10:32:27 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:32:27 -0400
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <C231ADCD.4498A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C231ADCD.4498A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240802c232cfc2181e@[10.0.1.5]>

Also BBEdit undos survive saving....so you can go back..

>Actually, Ftp open/save is built into BBEdit  [ ver 8.2.6 on OSX 10.4.7 ]
>In the file menu:
>
>Jim Ault
>Las Vegas

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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Fri Mar 30 10:46:10 2007
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:46:10 -0400
Subject: CD labeling software
In-Reply-To: <460CDFD9.000005.03624@MAZYTIS>
References: <399671.5569.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
	<460CDFD9.000005.03624@MAZYTIS>
Message-ID: <p06240803c232d2019ed7@[10.0.1.5]>

for Mac there's DiscLabel.(not the Unix disklabel)

...works with all brands of Labels and prints beautifully.

http://www.smileonmymac.com/DiscLabel/



>Hi,
>
>What CD labeling software do you usually use in your projects to create
>eye-candie cd labels and envelopes? Opensource/proprietary, Windows/MacOSX
>(on Intel), Linux... Thanks for any suggestions in advance!
>
>All the best,
>Viktoras
>_

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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 30 11:02:00 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:02:00 -0700
Subject: Dropped Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <9D77C020-E36F-40DF-BCAE-9175E2E9DE1B@Cox.Net>
References: <399671.5569.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9D77C020-E36F-40DF-BCAE-9175E2E9DE1B@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <1DA4EFFA-AFCA-46D0-B5DB-FA7266DF805D@Cox.Net>

Hi Me! Well that wasn't very productive. I'm not even sure what the  
value of having the Application browser may be, since it appears all  
we can do is "kind of" look at some stuff. Even if I was able to find  
what I thought might be what I was looking for, and copied it using  
the contextual menu; what would I be able to paste it into.

What ever? Just talking to myself!

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 30, 2007, at 7:32 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Thanks, Jan. I was afraid of that. Though my backup is several days  
> old, would it be possible to copy and paste from the old to the  
> new? Say, open the old one, go into the application browser. find  
> the group, copy it, open the new one and do the same to paste it  
> there? The one thing that has crossed my mind, is something I said  
> from a like circumstance in my Macinstrut.com articles on  
> Revolution: sometimes these things happen for the best, in that the  
> next time we do them we have learned  from our previous mistakes  
> and it is better done in the end. Something good from something  
> bad. Sigh! AND, more frequesnt backups as well.
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On Mar 30, 2007, at 2:24 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>
>> --- Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Well, it took me a few weeks, but I finally managed
>>> to get RR to do
>>> something truly awful! I just lost the entire Menu
>>> Bar for my main
>>> stack. When I select the Build Menu tool, it no
>>> longer lists the Menu
>>> Bar I've been developing. Any ideas as to how I can
>>> recover it? I
>>> hate the thought of building it all over again.
>>>
>>> I may have a fairly recent back up, but not as
>>> recent as I would
>>> like, from which I could copy something if I knew
>>> what to copy.
>>>
>>> TIA,
>>>
>>> Joe Wilkins
>>>
>>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> Menubars are actually implemented as groups of
>> pulldown menu buttons. The advantage of this approach
>> is that you can more easily 'skin' the appearance of
>> your application. However, this approach makes it a
>> little easier to delete by accident if you don't
>> realize it's sitting there along with your other
>> groups - especially if you like to nest groups and mix
>> in backgroundbehavior.
>> As there's only single-level undo, and deleting a
>> group from the application browser appears to be an
>> action that can't be undone, you'll have to bring it
>> back to life from a backup, I'm afraid.
>>
>> Jan Schenkel.
>>
>> Quartam Reports for Revolution
>> <http://www.quartam.com>
>>
>> =====
>> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same  
>> time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
>>
>>
>>
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From wdurden at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 11:02:41 2007
From: wdurden at gmail.com (wayne durden)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 11:02:41 -0400
Subject: trying to replace perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <p06240802c232cfc2181e@10.0.1.5>
References: <C231ADCD.4498A%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
	<p06240802c232cfc2181e@10.0.1.5>
Message-ID: <29bc7bd40703300802w3c9c4e1qc45c49a021dce8ba@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for these comments.  On Windows I use a fantastic editor called
Crimson Editor.  It too has the remote saving FTP capability.  However, in
times past, I had not been successful with the feature and had avoided and
forgotten about it.  The comments spurred me to revisit and I discovered an
option under and advanced tab that makes the FTP feature function
correctly.  This has eliminated saving it locally and ftp'ing it up and then
mentally managing the ever expanding number of files...

For Windows users, I do indeed recommend the free Crimson Editor!

Wayne


On 3/30/07, Stephen Barncard <stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com> wrote:
>
> Also BBEdit undos survive saving....so you can go back..
>
> >Actually, Ftp open/save is built into BBEdit  [ ver 8.2.6 on OSX 10.4.7 ]
> >In the file menu:
> >
> >Jim Ault
> >Las Vegas
>
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>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 11:09:23 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:09:23 -0700
Subject: Dropped Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <9D77C020-E36F-40DF-BCAE-9175E2E9DE1B@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C2327633.449D0%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>



On 3/30/07 12:18 AM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Well, it took me a few weeks, but I finally managed to get RR to do
> something truly awful! I just lost the entire Menu Bar for my main
> stack. When I select the Build Menu tool, it no longer lists the Menu
> Bar I've been developing. Any ideas as to how I can recover it? I
> hate the thought of building it all over again.
> 
> I may have a fairly recent back up, but not as recent as I would
> like, from which I could copy something if I knew what to copy.

If you made the button menu as a group, it is possible that you could still
"place" the group on a new or existing card.  Look for it in the Object Menu

Groups are part of the stack, not part of a card.  Also, "instances" of the
groups are placed on cards, so deleting a group from-a-card is not the same
thing as remove-from-stack.  Think of groups as object-collections saved
with the stack that can be placed once on each card, but don't have to
appear on any cards, if you decide not to use them.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Mar 30 11:12:19 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:12:19 +0200
Subject: Dropped Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <1DA4EFFA-AFCA-46D0-B5DB-FA7266DF805D@Cox.Net>
References: <399671.5569.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9D77C020-E36F-40DF-BCAE-9175E2E9DE1B@Cox.Net>
	<1DA4EFFA-AFCA-46D0-B5DB-FA7266DF805D@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <8FB2A3CF-782D-4F3D-94E2-63310427FB01@sosmartsoftware.com>

Hi Joe,

1. Open your backup stack and rename all stacks in it (main stack and  
sub stacks) to avoid conflicts when opening your current stack in  
progress.
2. Open your stack in progress.
3. Both projects appear in the App browser: use left click to get the  
contextual menu that allows to copy any object or copy/paste directly  
from a stack to another.

Note:
. Rev does not allow to copy objects that are not currently on-screen.
. In your case objects positions should be respected.

Good luck.

Le 30 mars 07 ? 17:02, Joe Lewis Wilkins a ?crit :

> Hi Me! Well that wasn't very productive. I'm not even sure what the  
> value of having the Application browser may be, since it appears  
> all we can do is "kind of" look at some stuff. Even if I was able  
> to find what I thought might be what I was looking for, and copied  
> it using the contextual menu; what would I be able to paste it into.
>
> What ever? Just talking to myself!
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
> On Mar 30, 2007, at 7:32 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Jan. I was afraid of that. Though my backup is several  
>> days old, would it be possible to copy and paste from the old to  
>> the new? Say, open the old one, go into the application browser.  
>> find the group, copy it, open the new one and do the same to paste  
>> it there? The one thing that has crossed my mind, is something I  
>> said from a like circumstance in my Macinstrut.com articles on  
>> Revolution: sometimes these things happen for the best, in that  
>> the next time we do them we have learned  from our previous  
>> mistakes and it is better done in the end. Something good from  
>> something bad. Sigh! AND, more frequesnt backups as well.
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2007, at 2:24 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>>
>>> --- Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Well, it took me a few weeks, but I finally managed
>>>> to get RR to do
>>>> something truly awful! I just lost the entire Menu
>>>> Bar for my main
>>>> stack. When I select the Build Menu tool, it no
>>>> longer lists the Menu
>>>> Bar I've been developing. Any ideas as to how I can
>>>> recover it? I
>>>> hate the thought of building it all over again.
>>>>
>>>> I may have a fairly recent back up, but not as
>>>> recent as I would
>>>> like, from which I could copy something if I knew
>>>> what to copy.
>>>>
>>>> TIA,
>>>>
>>>> Joe Wilkins
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Joe,
>>>
>>> Menubars are actually implemented as groups of
>>> pulldown menu buttons. The advantage of this approach
>>> is that you can more easily 'skin' the appearance of
>>> your application. However, this approach makes it a
>>> little easier to delete by accident if you don't
>>> realize it's sitting there along with your other
>>> groups - especially if you like to nest groups and mix
>>> in backgroundbehavior.
>>> As there's only single-level undo, and deleting a
>>> group from the application browser appears to be an
>>> action that can't be undone, you'll have to bring it
>>> back to life from a backup, I'm afraid.
>>>
>>> Jan Schenkel.
>>>
>>> Quartam Reports for Revolution
>>> <http://www.quartam.com>
>>>
>>> =====
>>> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the  
>>> same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)


Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 11:16:03 2007
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:16:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dropped Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <1DA4EFFA-AFCA-46D0-B5DB-FA7266DF805D@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <447933.4749.qm@web60511.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
> Hi Me! Well that wasn't very productive. I'm not
> even sure what the  
> value of having the Application browser may be,
> since it appears all  
> we can do is "kind of" look at some stuff. Even if I
> was able to find  
> what I thought might be what I was looking for, and
> copied it using  
> the contextual menu; what would I be able to paste
> it into.
> 
> What ever? Just talking to myself!
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 

Well, since you can't open two stacks with the same
name at the same time, you'd have to :
- copy it from the backup stack
- paste it into a temporary new mainstack (just in
case you have to do something in-between that may
modify the clipboard contents)
- close the backup and remove it from memory (you can
do this by right-clicking in the applicvation browser)
- open the current version of the stack and paste it
in there

As for the temporary stack, you can either never save
to the hard drive or keep it around as extra backup of
your menu structure ;-)

Jan Schenkel.

Quartam Reports for Revolution
<http://www.quartam.com>

=====
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From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com  Fri Mar 30 11:23:47 2007
From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:23:47 +0200
Subject: Dropped Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <8FB2A3CF-782D-4F3D-94E2-63310427FB01@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <399671.5569.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9D77C020-E36F-40DF-BCAE-9175E2E9DE1B@Cox.Net>
	<1DA4EFFA-AFCA-46D0-B5DB-FA7266DF805D@Cox.Net>
	<8FB2A3CF-782D-4F3D-94E2-63310427FB01@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <830916B8-FF5B-4C33-878A-9E45AB400D8E@sosmartsoftware.com>

You will have rectified by yourself: use right click and not left  
click of course :-)

Le 30 mars 07 ? 17:12, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :

> Hi Joe,
>
> 1. Open your backup stack and rename all stacks in it (main stack  
> and sub stacks) to avoid conflicts when opening your current stack  
> in progress.
> 2. Open your stack in progress.
> 3. Both projects appear in the App browser: use left click to get  
> the contextual menu that allows to copy any object or copy/paste  
> directly from a stack to another.
>
> Note:
> . Rev does not allow to copy objects that are not currently on-screen.
> . In your case objects positions should be respected.
>
> Good luck.

Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 30 11:25:20 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:25:20 -0700
Subject: Dropped Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <447933.4749.qm@web60511.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <447933.4749.qm@web60511.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F39BF5A7-1D09-4932-8498-6A7947AA0293@Cox.Net>

Hi fellas,

Thanks for all of your comments. I've decided it's just easier, and  
probably better and safer, to rebuild  the entire menu from scratch.  
My biggest concern, really, is why it happened. I'm pretty darned  
sure that I never deleted anything - groups or otherwise; I was just  
doing some enabling and disabling of menus and menu items from the  
stack script with an OpenCard handler. I was having some naming  
problems and was not sure whether I eventually needed to test for the  
Platform in referring to the "things" as menus or buttons. It was  
after making a change in this type of statement that the  
disappearance occurred. Again, thanks...

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 30, 2007, at 8:16 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> --- Joe Lewis Wilkins <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>> Hi Me! Well that wasn't very productive. I'm not
>> even sure what the
>> value of having the Application browser may be,
>> since it appears all
>> we can do is "kind of" look at some stuff. Even if I
>> was able to find
>> what I thought might be what I was looking for, and
>> copied it using
>> the contextual menu; what would I be able to paste
>> it into.
>>
>> What ever? Just talking to myself!
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>
> Well, since you can't open two stacks with the same
> name at the same time, you'd have to :
> - copy it from the backup stack
> - paste it into a temporary new mainstack (just in
> case you have to do something in-between that may
> modify the clipboard contents)
> - close the backup and remove it from memory (you can
> do this by right-clicking in the applicvation browser)
> - open the current version of the stack and paste it
> in there
>
> As for the temporary stack, you can either never save
> to the hard drive or keep it around as extra backup of
> your menu structure ;-)
>
> Jan Schenkel.
>
> Quartam Reports for Revolution
> <http://www.quartam.com>
>
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same  
> time."  (La Rochefoucauld)
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________ 
> ______________
> Finding fabulous fares is fun.
> Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find  
> flight and hotel bargains.
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 30 11:27:27 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:27:27 -0700
Subject: Dropped Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <830916B8-FF5B-4C33-878A-9E45AB400D8E@sosmartsoftware.com>
References: <399671.5569.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9D77C020-E36F-40DF-BCAE-9175E2E9DE1B@Cox.Net>
	<1DA4EFFA-AFCA-46D0-B5DB-FA7266DF805D@Cox.Net>
	<8FB2A3CF-782D-4F3D-94E2-63310427FB01@sosmartsoftware.com>
	<830916B8-FF5B-4C33-878A-9E45AB400D8E@sosmartsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <0DE8F72E-172B-4AFF-B301-2E66AAC11E45@Cox.Net>

Thanks, Eric. In my case, of course - Control/click. (smile)

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 30, 2007, at 8:23 AM, Eric Chatonet wrote:

> You will have rectified by yourself: use right click and not left  
> click of course :-)
>
> Le 30 mars 07 ? 17:12, Eric Chatonet a ?crit :
>
>> Hi Joe,
>>
>> 1. Open your backup stack and rename all stacks in it (main stack  
>> and sub stacks) to avoid conflicts when opening your current stack  
>> in progress.
>> 2. Open your stack in progress.
>> 3. Both projects appear in the App browser: use left click to get  
>> the contextual menu that allows to copy any object or copy/paste  
>> directly from a stack to another.
>>
>> Note:
>> . Rev does not allow to copy objects that are not currently on- 
>> screen.
>> . In your case objects positions should be respected.
>>
>> Good luck.
>
> Best regards from Paris,
>
> Eric Chatonet.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/
> eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/
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>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 30 11:28:23 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:28:23 -0500
Subject: Dropped Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <9D77C020-E36F-40DF-BCAE-9175E2E9DE1B@Cox.Net>
References: <399671.5569.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9D77C020-E36F-40DF-BCAE-9175E2E9DE1B@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <460D2C97.2040809@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Thanks, Jan. I was afraid of that. Though my backup is several days old, 
> would it be possible to copy and paste from the old to the new?

Yes. But before you lose hope, did you click the "Edit" button in the 
Menu Builder tool? Your original menu may still be there but not showing 
up by default. Unless you manually deleted it, it's unlikely to have 
been lost.

To see if the group is still in the stack, look in the Application 
Browser. Find your stack, expand its contents by clicking the little 
arrow, click on one of the cards, and then examine the list in the 
right-hand pane to see if the group still exists. If so, you haven't 
lost it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 30 11:48:24 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 08:48:24 -0700
Subject: Dropped Menu Bar
In-Reply-To: <460D2C97.2040809@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <399671.5569.qm@web60521.mail.yahoo.com>
	<9D77C020-E36F-40DF-BCAE-9175E2E9DE1B@Cox.Net>
	<460D2C97.2040809@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <CD14094F-6907-45FA-AF09-F16216830ABC@Cox.Net>

On Mar 30, 2007, at 8:28 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> Thanks, Jan. I was afraid of that. Though my backup is several  
>> days old, would it be possible to copy and paste from the old to  
>> the new?
>
> Yes. But before you lose hope, did you click the "Edit" button in  
> the Menu Builder tool? Your original menu may still be there but  
> not showing up by default. Unless you manually deleted it, it's  
> unlikely to have been lost.\

Yeah, I tried that first thing. It was there but when I clicked on  
the little icon at the right of the dialog, but selecting it did not  
make it appear in the other portion of the dialog.
>
> To see if the group is still in the stack, look in the Application  
> Browser. Find your stack, expand its contents by clicking the  
> little arrow, click on one of the cards, and then examine the list  
> in the right-hand pane to see if the group still exists. If so, you  
> haven't lost it.

With my vision problem, even using all of the neat magnifying tricks,  
finding something in the Application browser is a virtual  
impossibility. Really, I've given up hope of retrieving anything.  
Another lesson learned.

Thanks,

Joe Wilkins


From simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk  Fri Mar 30 13:08:14 2007
From: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk (Simon HARPER)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:08:14 +0100
Subject: Variable transfers Between Stacks and Sub-Stacks.
In-Reply-To: <A30A678B-F37D-46DB-B1BC-E12D94058D39@mangomultimedia.com>
References: <415996.66974.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<A30A678B-F37D-46DB-B1BC-E12D94058D39@mangomultimedia.com>
Message-ID: <4714518E-D27A-4958-82E2-4C4D0FD80D08@manchester.ac.uk>

Can I thank everyone who responded to this. Thanks for that!


Cheers
Si.

====
Simon Harper
2.44 Kilburn Building
University of Manchester (UK)

Pri: simon.harper at manchester.ac.uk
Alt: sharper at cs.man.ac.uk


On 29 Mar 2007, at 17:18, Trevor DeVore wrote:

> On Mar 29, 2007, at 8:42 AM, Richmond Mathewson wrote:
>
>> 1. So let's have a merry drop-down button on the Main
>> Stack to change units.
>>
>> 2. on mouseUp
>>       the mouseLine
>>       if it is "inches" then
>>         do FANCY CONVERSION ROUTINE NUMBER 999
>>       end if
>>      end mouseUp
>>
>> where FANCY CONVERSION ROUTINE NUMBER 999 pushes all
>> the values contained in all the list fields on the
>> main stack and all the substacks through the required
>> algorithm to convert (say) millimetres to inches.
>
> Hi Richmond (sorry, this somehow turned into a long post),
>
> While there is nothing difficult about the example you provide  
> above, I see a broadcasting system (like the one Dave has talked  
> about) as making your code cleaner and easier to read.
>
> The above example only changes the property in once place (as is  
> common for many application preferences).  But there are some  
> scenarios where you can change a property of an object from  
> multiple locations.  For example, if I wanted to change the title  
> of an image in an image cataloging application I might have a  
> command like the following:
>
> image_setProp theImageObject, "title", theNewTitle
>
>
> -- Without Broadcasting --
>
> Using your technique above you might then add a second call which  
> updated the title of the image anywhere it appeared in the program  
> (maybe in a thumbnail window and an editor window) so you end up  
> with something like this anywhere you want to change the title:
>
> image_setProp theImageObject, "title", theNewTitle
> UpdateImageAnywhereItAppearsInProgram theStepControl
>
>
> -- With Broadcasting --
>
> Using broadcasting, you could register the thumbnail window and the  
> editor window to receive messages whenever the "title" property of  
> a image was updated using a handler that might be defined as follows:
>
> object_addPropertyListener pObject, pProperties, pTargetObject,  
> pMessage
>
> And in practice might be called like this when a new image was  
> created:
>
> object_addPropertyListener theNewImageObject, "title", the long id  
> of stack "ThumbnailViewer", "ImagePropertyUpdated"
> object_addPropertyListener theNewImageObject, "title", the long id  
> of stack "Editor", "ImagePropertyUpdated"
>
> Now in my code I can just set the image title from anywhere I would  
> like (using image_setProp) and I know that it will be updated  
> everywhere in the program.  I don't have to remember to set the  
> title and then call another function to update windows everywhere.
>
>
> -- Implementing Broadcasting --
>
> Some development environments, like Flash, have built-in  
> broadcasting support.  Revolution does not so you end up having to  
> create your own libraries to handle it.  While this is a little  
> more effort at first to write the library it really pays off for  
> folks who prefer the broadcasting approach.
>
> For example, in the "image_setProp" handler (which can be used to  
> set any number of properties) you would then have the following  
> call near the end of it's definition which would handle  
> broadcasting the changed property to any "listeners":
>
> on image_setProp pControlReference, pProperty, pValue
>     ## DO WHATEVER TO STORE PROPERTY
>     ....
>
>     ## BROADCAST PROPERTY CHANGE
>     object_broadcastPropertyChange pObject, pProperties
> end image_setProp
>
> In the end you are getting the same behavior.  I happen to think  
> broadcasting is a cleaner way of approaching the problem and use  
> that approach in my projects as well.
>
>
> -- 
> Trevor DeVore
> Blue Mango Learning Systems
> www.bluemangolearning.com    -    www.screensteps.com
> trevor at bluemangolearning.com
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 30 14:00:21 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:00:21 -0500
Subject: From Planet Bizarre!
In-Reply-To: <460C8588.9090008@hindu.org>
References: <460C8588.9090008@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <460D5035.4060703@hyperactivesw.com>

Sivakatirswami wrote:

> The Safari poked the player object in Rev with imagedata!

Is it possible that the user accidentally saved the image to the same 
folder with the mp3 files? And that your Rev stack is auto-loading files 
from that folder?

Normally I wouldn't suggest that this happened, but after spending the 
last couple of months teaching a computer novice, I'm convinced they are 
some of the best test beds for Murphy's Law.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From iangmcknight at googlemail.com  Fri Mar 30 15:33:27 2007
From: iangmcknight at googlemail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 20:33:27 +0100
Subject: Storing objects in custom properties
Message-ID: <c935444f0703301233m21ec26ffhaa7a4c2dfea20c8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I have a number of groups containing a varying number of fields, ie 1
group would have 6 fields, another group 35 fields and yet another 50
fields. I want the user to be able to select any of these groups they
wish and place them on a card.

My initial thought was to store the groups on a separate card and copy
the chosen group as required or hide them on the same card  but then I
thought 'Why not put them into custom properties?'

My problem is that I can't get it to work. I can put values, images,
files into custom props but not groups or field objects. Have I, as I
suspect, come across one of the few things that you can't put into a
custom prop or am I missing something?

Thanks in advance.


Regards

Ian

=======================
Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at googlemail.com
=======================


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 30 16:05:36 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:05:36 -0700
Subject: Storing objects in custom properties
Message-ID: <460D6D90.5030800@fourthworld.com>

Ian McKnight wrote:
> I have a number of groups containing a varying number of fields, ie 1
> group would have 6 fields, another group 35 fields and yet another 50
> fields. I want the user to be able to select any of these groups they
> wish and place them on a card.
> 
> My initial thought was to store the groups on a separate card and copy
> the chosen group as required or hide them on the same card  but then I
> thought 'Why not put them into custom properties?'
> 
> My problem is that I can't get it to work. I can put values, images,
> files into custom props but not groups or field objects. Have I, as I
> suspect, come across one of the few things that you can't put into a
> custom prop or am I missing something?

You can store a stack file in a custom property, but I don't know of a
way to store individual controls there.

You may find the copy command will do what you need quite handily, since
it lets you specify a target for the copy:

   copy <obj> to <dest>

e.g.:

   copy grp 1 of stack "TemplateParts" to this cd of stack "UserStack"

When using the "to" option with the copy command it doesn't affect the
user's clipboard, making it really convenient for both you and your user.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 16:12:36 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 13:12:36 -0700
Subject: Storing objects in custom properties
In-Reply-To: <c935444f0703301233m21ec26ffhaa7a4c2dfea20c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C232BD44.44A06%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/30/07 12:33 PM, "Ian McKnight" <iangmcknight at googlemail.com> wrote:
> I have a number of groups containing a varying number of fields, ie 1
> group would have 6 fields, another group 35 fields and yet another 50
> fields. I want the user to be able to select any of these groups they
> wish and place them on a card.
> 
> My initial thought was to store the groups on a separate card and copy
> the chosen group as required or hide them on the same card  but then I
> thought 'Why not put them into custom properties?'
> 
> My problem is that I can't get it to work. I can put values, images,
> files into custom props but not groups or field objects. Have I, as I
> suspect, come across one of the few things that you can't put into a
> custom prop or am I missing something?

Custom  properties are like a table of values.. the "key" is the row label,
and the element is the stored data.  The stored data can be a string, image
data, a binary file (such as an app, a stack,  any file located on the hard
drive, etc.)

Your issue is that you need to convert the group or set of fields to a
single binary string of characters, and I would not know how to do that.

Step back a moment, and look at what groups are... If you have 3 fields and
one button defined as a group "userInput", this definition is stored in the
stack, and can be placed on a card, or not.  It is not necessary for the
group to appear on any of the cards, but it could appear on all of them.

The group can be hidden/shown, can be relocated off the screen, can be put
moved to a layer behind another object,  can be removed from the card.
Removing from the card will destroy the data in the fields, so place-remove
may not be a good option.

Now consider that custom properties are essentially an array of stored and
labeled values.  Trying to store a group in a custom property is kind of
like trying to put two feet in a single shoe.

It would be better to allow the user to show and hide groups that are
already on the card.  This would keep any data entry stored with the card.

If I am not understanding custom properties correctly, let the corrective
lessons commence :-)

Jim Ault
Las Vegas






From sadhu at castandcrew.com  Fri Mar 30 17:01:17 2007
From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:01:17 -0700
Subject: replacing perl cgi with rev
In-Reply-To: <20070330150247.9F8DE4890A9@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070330150247.9F8DE4890A9@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <460D7A9D.9070503@castandcrew.com>


>>
>>For those on a Mac, I highly recommend BBEdit and Fetch for cgi  
>>work. Fetch allows you to edit a file directly on the server; it  
>>opens the file with BBEdit and when you save your changes in  
>>BBEdit, they become live immediately. It avoids the whole download/ 
>>edit/re-upload cycle. There may be other FTP programs that interact  
>>with BBEdit the same way, I just happen to own Fetch.
>>
>>If there are similar programs for Windows, maybe someone knows and  
>>will tell us.
>>    
>>
>  
>
Aloha,

Well, just in the spirit of sharing - not necessarily a recommendation - 
and to offer up an alternative - I do it the old fashioned way.  Very 
easy, saves time - develop directly on the production box.

What that means is this:  production box is a Linux server (web server) 
where the CGI will run.  Use the native editor (VI).  Develop a few 
lines at a time, and just run the program straight from the command 
line.  Test driven development.  All you need is a login (for an ssh or 
telnet session).  Why go to all the trouble of hauling your app back and 
forth over the net?  (agreed, this doesn't test everything, such as, 
Apache's permissions to do things in a virtual domain environment, etc.).

Well, of course, this is natural for me because  I've been working in a 
command line environment on Unix systems for 25 years, so I probably 
don't match the profile of the average Rev developer.  Anyway, take it 
for what it's worth.  There is no better editor than vi.  (imho).

My local box is of course Windows where, if I happen to need some info 
(I consult the documentation quite often) Rev help is handy, and I can 
try code snippets in the message box if needed - so anyway, the only 
Windows software required is a terminal emulator (I use Putty).

Cheers,
Sadhu




From robmann at gp-racing.com  Fri Mar 30 17:10:16 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:10:16 -0400
Subject: main stack and substack questions
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAJj/3jBEQv1Ar6HgLWgzHjIBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

Have a substack and when the card opens it looks for a background image

 

set the itemdelimiter to slash

    put the filename of this stack into dbPath

    delete the last item of dbPath

    put "/cartridge fork.PNG" after dbPath_# 

    set the filename of image "cartridge fork.PNG" to dbPath

 

dbPath is empty I think it is because if you look in the stack properties
under filename it has a [inherited] at the end, how do I correct this?

 

 

Second question

If I open a substack from substack how do I pass the card name and stack
name as a variable to replace "view_valving" and "insertvalving" in the
following code?

put fld "newrecord_id" of card "view_valving" of stack "insertvalving" into
fld "record_id"

 

Thanks

Rob



From iangmcknight at googlemail.com  Fri Mar 30 17:16:44 2007
From: iangmcknight at googlemail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:16:44 +0100
Subject: Storing objects in custom properties
In-Reply-To: <C232BD44.44A06%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <c935444f0703301233m21ec26ffhaa7a4c2dfea20c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<C232BD44.44A06%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c935444f0703301416k6efff4bbpf43419ec7e3162bc@mail.gmail.com>

On 30/03/07, Jim Ault <JimAultWins at yahoo.com> wrote:



> Your issue is that you need to convert the group or set of fields to a
> single binary string of characters, and I would not know how to do that.
>
> Step back a moment, and look at what groups are... If you have 3 fields and
> one button defined as a group "userInput", this definition is stored in the
> stack, and can be placed on a card, or not.  It is not necessary for the
> group to appear on any of the cards, but it could appear on all of them.
>
> The group can be hidden/shown, can be relocated off the screen, can be put
> moved to a layer behind another object,  can be removed from the card.
> Removing from the card will destroy the data in the fields, so place-remove
> may not be a good option.
>


Thanks Jim.

I was, I think, trying to be too clever! I was producing a group to
simulate a timetable with a variable number sessions in the day and I
thought that it would be easy to create blank templates and store them
away for retrieval later. However, you are quite right, hiding the
group until needed does the same job. In fact I just need to hide 1
column of my table and clone that as needed. Job done.

Thanks for your help


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 17:17:58 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:17:58 -0700
Subject: main stack and substack questions
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAJj/3jBEQv1Ar6HgLWgzHjIBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <C232CC96.44A12%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/30/07 2:10 PM, "Robert Mann" <robmann at gp-racing.com> wrote:
> Have a substack and when the card opens it looks for a background image
>
> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>     put the filename of this stack into dbPath
>     delete the last item of dbPath
>     put "/cartridge fork.PNG" after dbPath_#
>     set the filename of image "cartridge fork.PNG" to dbPath

> dbPath is empty I think it is because if you look in the stack properties
> under filename it has a [inherited] at the end, how do I correct this?

 put the filename of stack main stack into dbPath
--substacks don't have their own filenames.
or
replace "[inherited]" with empty in dbPath
> 
> Second question
> 
> If I open a substack from substack how do I pass the card name and stack
> name as a variable to replace "view_valving" and "insertvalving" in the
> following code?
> 
> put fld "newrecord_id" of card "view_valving" of stack "insertvalving" into
> fld "record_id"

I don't understand your second question.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From iangmcknight at googlemail.com  Fri Mar 30 17:22:35 2007
From: iangmcknight at googlemail.com (Ian McKnight)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:22:35 +0100
Subject: Storing objects in custom properties
In-Reply-To: <460D6D90.5030800@fourthworld.com>
References: <460D6D90.5030800@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <c935444f0703301422l1e5ae7e1wfe819c9cdeeae47e@mail.gmail.com>

On 30/03/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:


>
> You can store a stack file in a custom property, but I don't know of a
> way to store individual controls there.
>
> You may find the copy command will do what you need quite handily, since
> it lets you specify a target for the copy:
>
>    copy <obj> to <dest>
>
> e.g.:
>
>    copy grp 1 of stack "TemplateParts" to this cd of stack "UserStack"
>
> When using the "to" option with the copy command it doesn't affect the
> user's clipboard, making it really convenient for both you and your user.
>

Hi Richard

I tried your suggestion with

copy grp "mygroup" of this stack to the umycustomProp

and got a Script Compile error
Error description: Function: missing '('

So I guess that controls can't be stored there.

Thanks for your help

-- 
Regards

Ian

=======================
Ian McKnight

iangmcknight at googlemail.com
=======================


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 30 17:27:36 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:27:36 -0700
Subject: Storing objects in custom properties
Message-ID: <460D80C8.3080408@fourthworld.com>

Ian McKnight wrote:

> On 30/03/07, Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>>
>> You can store a stack file in a custom property, but I don't know of a
>> way to store individual controls there.
>>
>> You may find the copy command will do what you need quite handily, since
>> it lets you specify a target for the copy:
>>
>>    copy <obj> to <dest>
>>
>> e.g.:
>>
>>    copy grp 1 of stack "TemplateParts" to this cd of stack "UserStack"
>>
>> When using the "to" option with the copy command it doesn't affect the
>> user's clipboard, making it really convenient for both you and your user.
>>
> 
> Hi Richard
> 
> I tried your suggestion with
> 
> copy grp "mygroup" of this stack to the umycustomProp
> 
> and got a Script Compile error
> Error description: Function: missing '('
> 
> So I guess that controls can't be stored there.

Correct. As I'd written, I know of no way to store controls in custom 
properties.

The copy command can be used by simply storing your groups in some other 
stack as a repository, copying them into the user's stack as needed.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Fourth World Media Corporation
  ___________________________________________________________
  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 17:34:11 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 07:34:11 +1000
Subject: main stack and substack questions
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAJj/3jBEQv1Ar6HgLWgzHjIBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
References: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAJj/3jBEQv1Ar6HgLWgzHjIBAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703301434j41ee6ef6ofae0892bb11f3770@mail.gmail.com>

> Have a substack and when the card opens it looks for a background image
>
> set the itemdelimiter to slash
>     put the filename of this stack into dbPath
>     delete the last item of dbPath
>     put "/cartridge fork.PNG" after dbPath_#
>     set the filename of image "cartridge fork.PNG" to dbPath
>
> dbPath is empty I think it is because if you look in the stack properties
> under filename it has a [inherited] at the end, how do I correct this?

Use the "effective" keyword:
    put the effective filename of this stack into dbPath

"effective" can be used for any inherited property and will get the
value in use, even if it is not specifically set for the object you
are checking.


> Second question
>
> If I open a substack from substack how do I pass the card name and stack
> name as a variable to replace "view_valving" and "insertvalving" in the
> following code?
>
> put fld "newrecord_id" of card "view_valving" of stack "insertvalving" into
> fld "record_id"
>

put "otherCardName" into tCardName
put "otherStackName" into tStackName
put fld "newrecord_id" of card tCardName of stack tStackName into fld
"record_id"

Cheers,
Sarah


From robmann at gp-racing.com  Fri Mar 30 17:50:40 2007
From: robmann at gp-racing.com (Robert Mann)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:50:40 -0400
Subject: main stack and substack questions
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703301434j41ee6ef6ofae0892bb11f3770@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAOcuUw1DZltFi2rtVImuLL8BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>

Thanks, 
But I would like to click a button in substack 1 to open substack 2 and when
I click the button pass name of substack 1 and the card name that is
currently open to substack 2 so that I am able to get info from flds within
open card in substack 1, I hope this explains it better?

Thanks
Rob 


> Second question
>
> If I open a substack from substack how do I pass the card name and stack
> name as a variable to replace "view_valving" and "insertvalving" in the
> following code?
>
> put fld "newrecord_id" of card "view_valving" of stack "insertvalving"
into
> fld "record_id"
>

put "otherCardName" into tCardName
put "otherStackName" into tStackName
put fld "newrecord_id" of card tCardName of stack tStackName into fld
"record_id"

Cheers,
Sarah
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From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 18:11:16 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 08:11:16 +1000
Subject: main stack and substack questions
In-Reply-To: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAOcuUw1DZltFi2rtVImuLL8BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
References: <f99b52860703301434j41ee6ef6ofae0892bb11f3770@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAOcuUw1DZltFi2rtVImuLL8BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703301511o31714c21l3c91988d4767e19f@mail.gmail.com>

> But I would like to click a button in substack 1 to open substack 2 and when
> I click the button pass name of substack 1 and the card name that is
> currently open to substack 2 so that I am able to get info from flds within
> open card in substack 1, I hope this explains it better?

OK, I get it now. The simplest way might be to use global variables.

In your button on substack 1, have this script:

on mouseUp
   global gStack, gCard
   put the short name of this stack into gStack
   put the short name of this card into gCard
   go to stack "sub2"
end mouseUp

Then in the card or stack script of 2:

on openCard
   global gStack, gCard
   put fld "newrecord_id" of card gCard of stack gStack into fld "record_id"
end openCard


This method gives you access to that card & stack any time, but if you
only need to get the data once, then you could just put the data into
substack 2 before going to it e.g.

on mouseUp
  put fld "newrecord_id"  into fld "record_id" of stack "sub2"
  go to stack "sub2"
end mouseUp

Cheers,
Sarah


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 30 18:18:27 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 15:18:27 -0700
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703301511o31714c21l3c91988d4767e19f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f99b52860703301434j41ee6ef6ofae0892bb11f3770@mail.gmail.com>
	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAOcuUw1DZltFi2rtVImuLL8BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>
	<f99b52860703301511o31714c21l3c91988d4767e19f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8162348E-285A-4D3B-88D7-B7F59FBCB9F1@Cox.Net>

Please enlighten me. With HC I never really had any problem using  
Globals pretty extensively. I know all of the "old" adverse thoughts  
and how it was felt to be bad programming practice; and, perhaps,  
before we could have some pretty long vars, maybe it was tough coming  
up with names that didn't create conflicts, but I think we're past  
all of that now. So... why is using Custom Properties any better than  
using globals. I need to be convinces. I suspect a few of you have  
first hand experience and I'd like to hear them.

TIA,

Joe Wilkins


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 19:10:52 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:10:52 -0700
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <8162348E-285A-4D3B-88D7-B7F59FBCB9F1@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C232E70C.44A28%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/30/07 3:18 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> Please enlighten me. With HC I never really had any problem using
> Globals pretty extensively. I know all of the "old" adverse thoughts
> and how it was felt to be bad programming practice; and, perhaps,
> before we could have some pretty long vars, maybe it was tough coming
> up with names that didn't create conflicts, but I think we're past
> all of that now. So... why is using Custom Properties any better than
> using globals. I need to be convinces. I suspect a few of you have
> first hand experience and I'd like to hear them.

Nothing wrong with them, just some downsides for data management in larger
projects.  Declaring a global makes it exist, therefore you cannot easily
test to see if it has been used before the moment you declare it.  Testing
for empty does not mean that another handler did not create it.

Basically, globals are all owned by Rev, which means you can close a stack
and remove it from memory, but not the globals.  You need to delete the
global or quit and relaunch Rev.

Globals can be modified by any handler in any stack, even the Rev
environment (all that stuff behind the scenes).

Globals are not saved with the stack, custom properies can be, but this may
not be an issue in most cases.

My biggest benefit is that globals fill the variable watcher and make
debugging a lot more challenging.  When I name my globals, I prefix with "z"
so that they appear at the bottom of VW, and the script locals with "x" so
they appear just above the globals.  Just my little quirk.

You can use the same custom property name to store different information
such as 

---using a global ---
get the short date
put it into line (the number of this card) of gLastVisitToThisCard
--of course, now where to store this for next time

--using custom properties
get the short date
set the cpLastVisit of this card to it
save this stack
--now each card has its own data
set the cpLastVisit of this stack to it
--now the stack holds the last date any card was visited
set the cpCdIdVisited of this stack to the short id of this card
--now the id is stored

---In a substack
put the cpCdIdVisited of stack main stack into cdIdToUse

thus globals are general locations, custom properties are specific
locations.

Further, if you open a stack from somewhere to check out the tutorial,
example, etc,  those global declarations stay with Rev and overwrite any
previous values.

Part of the idea is that now your data has a specific place to be attached
that disappears with the stack or substack when removed from memory, yet is
still accessible, even if the stack is not open.

Script locals are a better management technique in my opinion.

Let us not even get into the power of custom property sets and storing
arrays in this thread.  Very powerful stuff.  A custom property set is the
same as an array... it has a name, keys, and elements.  You can have as many
as you like.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 19:23:23 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:23:23 -0700
Subject: main stack and substack questions
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703301511o31714c21l3c91988d4767e19f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C232E9FB.44A2D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Another way I like better is to avoid globals and...

on mouseup
   set the lockRecent to false  --precaution in case true
   go to stack "sub2"
    put char 2 to -2 of word -1 of the long name of recent card into stkFrom
    put the short name of recent card into cdFrom
    put fld "newrecord_id" of cd cdFrom of stk stkFrom into fld "record_id"

    put the short id of recent card into cdIDFrom  --recommended
    -- in case of duplicate card names
    put fld "newrecord_id" of cd id cdIDFrom of stk stkFrom /
         into fld "record_id"
end  mouseup

Jim Ault
Las Vegas

On 3/30/07 3:11 PM, "Sarah Reichelt" <sarah.reichelt at gmail.com> wrote:

>> But I would like to click a button in substack 1 to open substack 2 and when
>> I click the button pass name of substack 1 and the card name that is
>> currently open to substack 2 so that I am able to get info from flds within
>> open card in substack 1, I hope this explains it better?
> 
> OK, I get it now. The simplest way might be to use global variables.
> 
> In your button on substack 1, have this script:
> 
> on mouseUp
>    global gStack, gCard
>    put the short name of this stack into gStack
>    put the short name of this card into gCard
>    go to stack "sub2"
> end mouseUp
> 
> Then in the card or stack script of 2:
> 
> on openCard
>    global gStack, gCard
>    put fld "newrecord_id" of card gCard of stack gStack into fld "record_id"
> end openCard
> 
> 
> This method gives you access to that card & stack any time, but if you
> only need to get the data once, then you could just put the data into
> substack 2 before going to it e.g.
> 
> on mouseUp
>   put fld "newrecord_id"  into fld "record_id" of stack "sub2"
>   go to stack "sub2"
> end mouseUp
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 30 19:41:24 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:41:24 -0700
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <C232E70C.44A28%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C232E70C.44A28%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E9A41B23-63A2-49F0-B7F9-276FA35DD2C3@Cox.Net>

Thanks, Jim. I knew you'd come through. So really what we have with  
CPs is some potentially elaborate arrays of somewhat simplistic form.  
You said tables, to me that means matrices - Columns, rows,  
essentially spreadsheet arrangements of data that in other languages  
would use dot syntax for access. The other stuff I understand after  
years of exposure to it, so maybe I'll get used to CPs and Groups...  
Someday!

Thanks,

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 30, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> On 3/30/07 3:18 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>
>> Please enlighten me. With HC I never really had any problem using
>> Globals pretty extensively. I know all of the "old" adverse thoughts
>> and how it was felt to be bad programming practice; and, perhaps,
>> before we could have some pretty long vars, maybe it was tough coming
>> up with names that didn't create conflicts, but I think we're past
>> all of that now. So... why is using Custom Properties any better than
>> using globals. I need to be convinces. I suspect a few of you have
>> first hand experience and I'd like to hear them.
>
> Nothing wrong with them, just some downsides for data management in  
> larger
> projects.  Declaring a global makes it exist, therefore you cannot  
> easily
> test to see if it has been used before the moment you declare it.   
> Testing
> for empty does not mean that another handler did not create it.
>
> Basically, globals are all owned by Rev, which means you can close  
> a stack
> and remove it from memory, but not the globals.  You need to delete  
> the
> global or quit and relaunch Rev.
>
> Globals can be modified by any handler in any stack, even the Rev
> environment (all that stuff behind the scenes).
>
> Globals are not saved with the stack, custom properies can be, but  
> this may
> not be an issue in most cases.
>
> My biggest benefit is that globals fill the variable watcher and make
> debugging a lot more challenging.  When I name my globals, I prefix  
> with "z"
> so that they appear at the bottom of VW, and the script locals with  
> "x" so
> they appear just above the globals.  Just my little quirk.
>
> You can use the same custom property name to store different  
> information
> such as
>
> ---using a global ---
> get the short date
> put it into line (the number of this card) of gLastVisitToThisCard
> --of course, now where to store this for next time
>
> --using custom properties
> get the short date
> set the cpLastVisit of this card to it
> save this stack
> --now each card has its own data
> set the cpLastVisit of this stack to it
> --now the stack holds the last date any card was visited
> set the cpCdIdVisited of this stack to the short id of this card
> --now the id is stored
>
> ---In a substack
> put the cpCdIdVisited of stack main stack into cdIdToUse
>
> thus globals are general locations, custom properties are specific
> locations.
>
> Further, if you open a stack from somewhere to check out the tutorial,
> example, etc,  those global declarations stay with Rev and  
> overwrite any
> previous values.
>
> Part of the idea is that now your data has a specific place to be  
> attached
> that disappears with the stack or substack when removed from  
> memory, yet is
> still accessible, even if the stack is not open.
>
> Script locals are a better management technique in my opinion.
>
> Let us not even get into the power of custom property sets and storing
> arrays in this thread.  Very powerful stuff.  A custom property set  
> is the
> same as an array... it has a name, keys, and elements.  You can  
> have as many
> as you like.
>
> Jim Ault
> Las Vegas
>
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Mar 30 20:04:31 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:04:31 -0700
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
Message-ID: <460DA58F.7070806@fourthworld.com>

Jim Ault wrote:
> Basically, globals are all owned by Rev, which means you can close a stack
> and remove it from memory, but not the globals.  You need to delete the
> global or quit and relaunch Rev.
> 
> Globals can be modified by any handler in any stack, even the Rev
> environment (all that stuff behind the scenes).
> 
> Globals are not saved with the stack, custom properies can be, but this may
> not be an issue in most cases.

Those also sound like benefits to me.  :)

Of course it depends on the context.

I tend to use persistent storage (custom properties) when I need 
persistence, and non-persistent storage (globals) whenever I don't.

Both are very useful.

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 30 20:15:45 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:15:45 -0700
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <460DA58F.7070806@fourthworld.com>
References: <460DA58F.7070806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <3B16563E-64EB-4140-AC39-294186D6AD11@Cox.Net>

Now this approach seems to make more sense to me.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 30, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Jim Ault wrote:
>> Basically, globals are all owned by Rev, which means you can close  
>> a stack
>> and remove it from memory, but not the globals.  You need to  
>> delete the
>> global or quit and relaunch Rev.
>> Globals can be modified by any handler in any stack, even the Rev
>> environment (all that stuff behind the scenes).
>> Globals are not saved with the stack, custom properies can be, but  
>> this may
>> not be an issue in most cases.
>
> Those also sound like benefits to me.  :)
>
> Of course it depends on the context.
>
> I tend to use persistent storage (custom properties) when I need  
> persistence, and non-persistent storage (globals) whenever I don't.
>
> Both are very useful.
>
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Managing Editor, revJournal
>  _______________________________________________________
>  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 20:16:22 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:16:22 -0700
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <E9A41B23-63A2-49F0-B7F9-276FA35DD2C3@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C232F666.44A36%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/30/07 4:41 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> Thanks, Jim. I knew you'd come through. So really what we have with
> CPs is some potentially elaborate arrays of somewhat simplistic form.
> You said tables, to me that means matrices - Columns, rows,
> essentially spreadsheet arrangements of data that in other languages
> would use dot syntax for access. The other stuff I understand after
> years of exposure to it, so maybe I'll get used to CPs and Groups...
> Someday!
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe Wilkins 
Do this very quick exerciser and you will see an array, and then it will put
them into custom properties.

make a new mainstack
paste into the stack script

---- copy from here ----------
get the properties of this card --an array
combine it using cr and tab --converted to a list
put it into message box  --now we can see it

get the properties of this card --an array
set the custom properties of this CARD to it
--now stored in the card
--the key = the name of the property
--the element = the value ("true", 0, blue)

set the custom properties of this STACK to it
--now stored in the card

---- end copy -----------
--now use the inspector palette to view the custom properties

and then you could

set the customproperties of this STACK to empty -- all gone


Jim Ault
Las Vegas


> 
> On Mar 30, 2007, at 4:10 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> On 3/30/07 3:18 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Please enlighten me. With HC I never really had any problem using
>>> Globals pretty extensively. I know all of the "old" adverse thoughts
>>> and how it was felt to be bad programming practice; and, perhaps,
>>> before we could have some pretty long vars, maybe it was tough coming
>>> up with names that didn't create conflicts, but I think we're past
>>> all of that now. So... why is using Custom Properties any better than
>>> using globals. I need to be convinces. I suspect a few of you have
>>> first hand experience and I'd like to hear them.
>> 
>> Nothing wrong with them, just some downsides for data management in
>> larger
>> projects.  Declaring a global makes it exist, therefore you cannot
>> easily
>> test to see if it has been used before the moment you declare it.
>> Testing
>> for empty does not mean that another handler did not create it.
>> 
>> Basically, globals are all owned by Rev, which means you can close
>> a stack
>> and remove it from memory, but not the globals.  You need to delete
>> the
>> global or quit and relaunch Rev.
>> 
>> Globals can be modified by any handler in any stack, even the Rev
>> environment (all that stuff behind the scenes).
>> 
>> Globals are not saved with the stack, custom properies can be, but
>> this may
>> not be an issue in most cases.
>> 
>> My biggest benefit is that globals fill the variable watcher and make
>> debugging a lot more challenging.  When I name my globals, I prefix
>> with "z"
>> so that they appear at the bottom of VW, and the script locals with
>> "x" so
>> they appear just above the globals.  Just my little quirk.
>> 
>> You can use the same custom property name to store different
>> information
>> such as
>> 
>> ---using a global ---
>> get the short date
>> put it into line (the number of this card) of gLastVisitToThisCard
>> --of course, now where to store this for next time
>> 
>> --using custom properties
>> get the short date
>> set the cpLastVisit of this card to it
>> save this stack
>> --now each card has its own data
>> set the cpLastVisit of this stack to it
>> --now the stack holds the last date any card was visited
>> set the cpCdIdVisited of this stack to the short id of this card
>> --now the id is stored
>> 
>> ---In a substack
>> put the cpCdIdVisited of stack main stack into cdIdToUse
>> 
>> thus globals are general locations, custom properties are specific
>> locations.
>> 
>> Further, if you open a stack from somewhere to check out the tutorial,
>> example, etc,  those global declarations stay with Rev and
>> overwrite any
>> previous values.
>> 
>> Part of the idea is that now your data has a specific place to be
>> attached
>> that disappears with the stack or substack when removed from
>> memory, yet is
>> still accessible, even if the stack is not open.
>> 
>> Script locals are a better management technique in my opinion.
>> 
>> Let us not even get into the power of custom property sets and storing
>> arrays in this thread.  Very powerful stuff.  A custom property set
>> is the
>> same as an array... it has a name, keys, and elements.  You can
>> have as many
>> as you like.
>> 
>> Jim Ault
>> Las Vegas
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From katir at hindu.org  Fri Mar 30 20:24:54 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:24:54 -1000
Subject: From Planet Bizarre!
In-Reply-To: <460D5035.4060703@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <460C8588.9090008@hindu.org> <460D5035.4060703@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <460DAA56.3030705@hindu.org>

J. Landman Gay wrote:
> Sivakatirswami wrote:
> 
>> The Safari poked the player object in Rev with imagedata!
> 
> Is it possible that the user accidentally saved the image to the same 
> folder with the mp3 files? And that your Rev stack is auto-loading files 
> from that folder?

Nope, not possible, would assume that this user would have any
idea how to save an image from a web page... besides the image
data attached was the complete video info for what would be a composite
of the screen area of the web page she was on (or the pop up that opened
without her asking for it.) that's not a single image but a HTML block...

> Normally I wouldn't suggest that this happened, but after spending the 
> last couple of months teaching a computer novice, I'm convinced they are 
> some of the best test beds for Murphy's Law.

Right, it took me 1/2 of coaching over the phone to get her to take a 
screen
shot, and send that as an attachment by her yahoo web mail account,

Q: "Oh dear... it's gone now... "
A: "It's on your desktop"
Q: "But I have other windows in the way now...what do I do?"

fortunately it was not a windows user. I've tried mentoring novice windows
users on their machine. I eventually just give up and, they come to the sad
realization that they can't be of any service to us. (And some of these
have used windows machine for 15 years.)


....."Ok start by making a new folder"
A: "Oh gee, I  don't know how to do that" (windows user for 15 years)
...."Well there must be a simple way in Windows. on the mac you just 
type shift-cmd-N"
A:  ummm... I don't know... how
...."there *must* be a way to make a new folder.. .but first you better 
navigate
to your documents folder."
A: "How do I do that?"


(smile)

Sivakatirswami


From katir at hindu.org  Fri Mar 30 20:38:29 2007
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 14:38:29 -1000
Subject: [ANN] "Imagedata Toolkit Preview 3" released
In-Reply-To: <4606E9F3.3010702@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
References: <4606E9F3.3010702@hrz.uni-kassel.de>
Message-ID: <460DAD85.5030401@hindu.org>

Wilhelm Sanke wrote:
 > I have just uploaded the interim version "Imagedata Toolkit Preview 3" to
 > <http://www.sanke.org/Software/ImagedataToolkitPreview3.zip> .
 > This is the version with which the images of  the "Preview Gallery"
 > <http://www.sanke.org/MetaMedia/PreviewToolkit3.htm>
 > were created.
 >

Aloha, Wilhelm:

Well this is certainly very, very impressive.   It will be interesting
to see how this runs on my new 17 in Intel MacBook Pro...

Only one problem: My photo processing needs are rather "prosaic" as
I'm working in a production environment where I have to take
a lot of incoming Digital camera images and do a simply chore:

1) downsize for web, bicubic (now available by setting the imageQuality 
setting
and I've tested and it really works, quality is tops)
2) run auto levels
3) unsharp mask to a prespecified set of values.

I would rarely, if ever use any of the "art" functions of your suite.
typically our needs will use the image data from image pretty much
unchanged other than to resize and prep for the web or galleries or
create a trio of versions thumbs, medium, hi res versions. Unsharp mask
is pretty much a must for any web delivery (small amount, but just the right
amount)

Right now I usie  droplets to drive Adobe's ImageReady, but I would really
love to be able to do this from inside revolution. But your interface
is a bit daunting and I'm not sure how I can extract a small subset
of functions from your tool kit to set up a lean automated work flow.

I'll look into the scripts and see if there is any way to ferret out 
extraction
of specific routines... but any advice you have before I start hacking
this thing will not doubt be useful.

It certainly is encouraging that this is now even possible (I was going to
start cracking open the docs on Core Image , but not looking forward to it)

Sivakatirswami


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 30 21:00:03 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:00:03 -0700
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <C232F666.44A36%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C232F666.44A36%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9F6FEA9F-1205-45C3-9E2C-DF4814280385@Cox.Net>

Jim, must be missing something. The CPs for the stack are no  
different than any other stack I've created. But shouldn't what I  
pasted in the Stack's script be in some sort of handler. I don't see  
how it would be called; hence probably the reason I don't see anything.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 30, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

>



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 22:37:33 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:37:33 -0700
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <9F6FEA9F-1205-45C3-9E2C-DF4814280385@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <C233177D.44A44%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Opps, sorry, assumed you knew that you will need to use on mouseup, or
on something... so I will choose

on mouseDoubleup
   get the properties of this card --an array
    combine it using cr and tab --converted to a list
   put it into message box  --now we can see it

   get the properties of this card --an array
   set the custom properties of this CARD to it
--now stored in the card
--the key = the name of the property
--the element = the value ("true", 0, blue)

   set the custom properties of this STACK to it
   --now stored in the card
end mouseDoubleup

Jim ?ult
Las Vegas


On 3/30/07 6:00 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:

> Jim, must be missing something. The CPs for the stack are no
> different than any other stack I've created. But shouldn't what I
> pasted in the Stack's script be in some sort of handler. I don't see
> how it would be called; hence probably the reason I don't see anything.
> 
> Joe Wilkins
> 
> On Mar 30, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Fri Mar 30 22:50:22 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:50:22 -0700
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <C233177D.44A44%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C233177D.44A44%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <07175CD3-31D3-4B51-9271-2B631F8EFB0B@Cox.Net>

Shame on you! You set me up again. Customproperties needs to be all  
one word.
Anyway, thanks for the preview. It works now. Interesting. (smile)
Joe Wilkins

On Mar 30, 2007, at 7:37 PM, Jim Ault wrote:

> Opps, sorry, assumed you knew that you will need to use on mouseup, or
> on something... so I will choose
>
> on mouseDoubleup
>    get the properties of this card --an array
>     combine it using cr and tab --converted to a list
>    put it into message box  --now we can see it
>
>    get the properties of this card --an array
>    set the custom properties of this CARD to it
> --now stored in the card
> --the key = the name of the property
> --the element = the value ("true", 0, blue)
>
>    set the custom properties of this STACK to it
>    --now stored in the card
> end mouseDoubleup
>
> Jim ?ult
> Las Vegas
>
>
> On 3/30/07 6:00 PM, "Joe Lewis Wilkins" <pepetoo at Cox.Net> wrote:
>
>> Jim, must be missing something. The CPs for the stack are no
>> different than any other stack I've created. But shouldn't what I
>> pasted in the Stack's script be in some sort of handler. I don't see
>> how it would be called; hence probably the reason I don't see  
>> anything.
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2007, at 5:16 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
>>
>>>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 30 23:35:24 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:35:24 -0500
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <8162348E-285A-4D3B-88D7-B7F59FBCB9F1@Cox.Net>
References: <f99b52860703301434j41ee6ef6ofae0892bb11f3770@mail.gmail.com>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAOcuUw1DZltFi2rtVImuLL8BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>	<f99b52860703301511o31714c21l3c91988d4767e19f@mail.gmail.com>
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Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> Please enlighten me. With HC I never really had any problem using 
> Globals pretty extensively. I know all of the "old" adverse thoughts and 
> how it was felt to be bad programming practice; and, perhaps, before we 
> could have some pretty long vars, maybe it was tough coming up with 
> names that didn't create conflicts, but I think we're past all of that 
> now. So... why is using Custom Properties any better than using globals. 

Like Richard, I use variables and custom properties for different 
reasons. If data needs to be saved permanently with the stack (like a 
set of user prefs, for example) custom properties are perfect. Rev 
stores your preferences this way. For data that is only used during the 
current session, I think it is preferable to use variables.

But I avoid globals in general, and prefer script-local variables 
instead. Globals clutter up the name space and the variable watcher, 
they are hard to keep track of, and there can be naming conflicts with 
other stacks. Mostly it's the cluttter I don't like. I've translated a 
lot of HC stacks that make me cringe from global overload. I've also 
noticed that many novice HC authors used globals simply because they 
didn't know how to pass parameters. That's easy to fix.

I once worked on a large HC conversion that used globals all over the 
place, there must have been more than a hundred of them. This was often 
necessary in HC because there wasn't any other way to do certain things, 
but by the time your variable watcher fills up with that many globals 
you can hardly keep track of any of them. In this particular stack, I 
was able to change the globals to script-locals in almost every case, 
and reduced the number of globals down to a small handful. I usually 
only employ globals for data that needs to be frequently accessed across 
stacks or objects. For infrequent access I sometimes use custom 
properties intead; it depends.

A script-local variable acts just like a global, but with a more limited 
scope. It only "belongs" to the script that contains it, rather than 
being accessible from anywhere. When that script isn't being executed, 
the variable is out of the way. It is easier to keep track of these 
variables because they only appear in a single script; they don't 
populate the variable watcher anywhere else.

For example, how many times in HC did you have to do something like this:

on doThing
  global gBoolean
  put true into gBoolean
end doThing

on doThingTwo
  global gBoolean
  if gBoolean = true then doThingThree
  put false into gBoolean
end doThingTwo

Though these handlers are in the same script, HC requires a global 
variable to retain the value of gBoolean between handler executions. 
With Rev, a script local variable can do this instead. Just pop the 
variable up at the top of the script and it is available to any handler 
in that script:

local sBoolean -- this is the only declaration you need

on doThing
  put true into sBoolean
end doThing

on doThingTwo
  if sBoolean = true then doThingThree
  put false into sBoolean
end doThingTwo

Outside of this script, the variable is not available and stays out of 
the way. However, the script itself retains the value of the variable 
for the entire session; you don't need to reset it between handler 
executions. I really like script local variables. They are like 
mini-globals.

Custom properties are a different animal. They provide permanent storage 
because they are saved with the stack, but you can also use them as 
temporary storage if you want to. The down side to using them as 
temporary, session-specific storage is that when the stack closes (or 
opens) you have to remember to initialize them to empty. With 
script-local variables, that isn't an issue because, like any variable, 
script-locals disappear when the engine quits.

Custom properties take slightly longer to access than either global or 
script-local variables. The increased access time is small, so in most 
cases it's moot. But if speed is an issue or you have a lot of data to 
retrieve frequently, use variables instead of custom properties.

Custom properties, like variables, are created automatically whenever 
you first reference them:

   set the cUser of this cd to "joe"

creates a custom property of the card called "cUser", if it doesn't 
already exist. The value of the "cUser" custom property is "joe". Now 
whenever you need to get that value, you can retrieve it:

   put the cUser of this cd into tUserName

Now the variable "tUserName" contains "joe". The custom property will be 
saved with the stack. We used to use hidden fields for this stuff in HC. 
Custom properties are much better; they are like infinite hidden field 
space with some additional enhancements besides -- and you don't have to 
clutter up your stack with invisible objects. Remember the stacks that 
used to store data at the top of scripts? The ones with big "DO NOT MOVE 
THIS DATA" comments around them? (Apple shipped the calendar stack with 
one of those.) Those lines of script would have been in custom 
properties, if HC had had them.

Custom properties can also be stored in custom property sets, which you 
can create at will. Custom property sets are arrays with keys and values 
-- basically just a group of related properties. You can have the same 
keys in different sets if you want; for example, you could have a custom 
property set called "English" and another one called "French". Each 
array could have the same keys; perhaps each key would be a field name. 
The values in the keys of each set would be different though -- the 
English set would store the English names for the fields, and the French 
set would store them in that language.

It then becomes very easy to change all the field labels to the language 
of choice when the stack opens. You simply set the customPropertySet of 
the stack to the language you want, and set each label field to the 
value of the matching key in the array.

I generally use custom properties for different things than I use 
variables. They can be somewhat interchangeable, and I do that 
sometimes, but in general I like variables for session use and 
properties for permanent storage.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Mar 30 23:42:24 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:42:24 -0500
Subject: From Planet Bizarre!
In-Reply-To: <460DAA56.3030705@hindu.org>
References: <460C8588.9090008@hindu.org> <460D5035.4060703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<460DAA56.3030705@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <460DD8A0.3020207@hyperactivesw.com>

Sivakatirswami wrote:

> Right, it took me 1/2 of coaching over the phone to get her to take a 
> screen
> shot, and send that as an attachment by her yahoo web mail account,
> 
> Q: "Oh dear... it's gone now... "
> A: "It's on your desktop"
> Q: "But I have other windows in the way now...what do I do?"

You've been listening to my phone conversations, haven't you? ;)

"It went away."
"What went away?"
"The thing."
"What thing? What does it look like?"
"It's...I don't know. There were words on it. Maybe if I click this..."
"Wait! Don't click yet! What do the words say?"
"Oh no, now what do I do? It's all gone!"
"What's gone? What happened?"
"I don't know! It went away!"

I never did identify the "thing".
-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com  Fri Mar 30 23:48:26 2007
From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:48:26 +1000
Subject: From Planet Bizarre!
In-Reply-To: <460DD8A0.3020207@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <460C8588.9090008@hindu.org> <460D5035.4060703@hyperactivesw.com>
	<460DAA56.3030705@hindu.org> <460DD8A0.3020207@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <f99b52860703302048r5d29310eq1666719d3c2a1fb7@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/31/07, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
> > Right, it took me 1/2 of coaching over the phone to get her to take a
> > screen
> > shot, and send that as an attachment by her yahoo web mail account,
> >
> > Q: "Oh dear... it's gone now... "
> > A: "It's on your desktop"
> > Q: "But I have other windows in the way now...what do I do?"
>
> You've been listening to my phone conversations, haven't you? ;)
>
> "It went away."
> "What went away?"
> "The thing."
> "What thing? What does it look like?"
> "It's...I don't know. There were words on it. Maybe if I click this..."
> "Wait! Don't click yet! What do the words say?"
> "Oh no, now what do I do? It's all gone!"
> "What's gone? What happened?"
> "I don't know! It went away!"
>
> I never did identify the "thing".

It crashed!
What crashed - the whole computer or just the program? Where you still
able to move the mouse pointer?
Well it gave an error.
OK, what was the error?
I don't know.

Sarah


From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Mar 31 01:11:13 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:11:13 -0800
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <460DA58F.7070806@fourthworld.com>
References: <460DA58F.7070806@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <694989537.20070330211113@ahsoftware.net>

What's wrong with globals?

Normally I don't trot out my globals tirade because it upsets people,
but since you asked...

<flame suit on>
Globals are what I usually think of as the way people start out using
variables until they learn better ways. It's a way of avoiding
learning some "proper" techniques of programming: decoupling,
narrowing scope, things that make your code better.
<flame suit off>

That said, Chipp Walters has hipped me to some very clever ways of
using globals in a rev environment that would actually be rather
clumsy doing any other way (relying on persistence even after a stack
has been removed from memory).

So, in addition to the fine job Jim Ault has done explaining globals,
I'd like to add:

1. Global variables can be changed from multiple spots in your code.
That value you just put into a global variable may have just gotten
overwritten by some other object (a card script, a timer, etc) and is
not the value you expect. The whole reason local variables exist is to
restrict variable scope to prevent them getting stepped on.

2. As Jim pointed out, globals stick around in memory and you can't
tell if they're there or not - the act of checking creates them.

As a corollary, many modern languages do garbage collection
periodically, in which unused variables are removed from memory to
reclaim space. The use of globals which are expected to be persistent
can cause problems translating from one computer language to another.

3. Trying to edit a script to change a global into a local variable is
messy. The compiler complains because the global is still in memory
from the last compilation. You have to go to the message box first and
type
  global xyz;delete global xyz
and then you can change the xyz declaration in your script to local.
This is especially messy if you have the global defined in several
scripts (which I assume is why you made a global in the first place).

If you absolutely have to use a global, it's best to stick to the
convention of a "g" prefix (gMyGlobal) so that 1) if you decide to
change it to a local later on you can just drop the "g" globally
(haha) and 2) you can be sure in reading your code when you're
using a global and when you're using a local.

4. There's almost always a better approach than using a global
variable. Passing a parameter to a function rather than filling in a
global variable and retrieving it comes to mind, as does using custom
properties. Or just rethinking the code that called for a global in
the first place.

5. If you have more than a few objects, it starts getting a bit fuzzy
as to who's using a given global. If you want to change or delete a
global, do you actually have clear in your head all the places in your
stack where it's used? Can you stuff a new value into it and not
affect something 20 cards down the line? If you rename a global, can
you remember all the places that use it? And how they interact?

6. Using global variables couples objects, stacks, scripts together
very tightly in a way that message- or parameter-passing does not.

7. Just because a global is declared in multiple places doesn't
guarantee that it will be used for the same purpose. Worst case
scenario: "global gTemp" as a temporary storage between scripts will
almost invariably cause problems. It may be used to store a
temperature variable to be recovered by another script, which then
places a result string into it to be retrieved by a third script. This
can cause no end of debugging nightmares.

I don't use global variables myself if I can at all avoid it. In all
the time I've been using rev I think I have maybe a handful of global
variables sprinkled through my code, and usually just because I was
too lazy to do things right. I've almost always regretted putting
things into global variables and had to spend more time fixing them up
afterwards.

I do use get and set routines sometimes for variables that have to
have a life outside of their home scripts. I think it's just one step
above the use of global vars, but at least it affords a little bit of
control over when a global var gets changed and makes it a bit easier
to debug. I can always put a breakpoint into the setter routine to see
who's changing it:

local someVar

function SomeVar
  return someVar
end SomeVar

on PutSomeVar pValue
  -- could put a breakpoint here
  put pValue into someVar
end PutSomeVar

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 31 00:20:03 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:20:03 -0700
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <460DD6FC.2080302@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <f99b52860703301434j41ee6ef6ofae0892bb11f3770@mail.gmail.com>	<!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAKNeN7FJX6pNoJgllM9NwP/CgAAAEAAAAOcuUw1DZltFi2rtVImuLL8BAAAAAA==@gp-racing.com>	<f99b52860703301511o31714c21l3c91988d4767e19f@mail.gmail.com>
	<8162348E-285A-4D3B-88D7-B7F59FBCB9F1@Cox.Net>
	<460DD6FC.2080302@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <13AE1065-0F34-4E9D-A8AC-AB61608120B0@Cox.Net>

Jacque, thanks for your timeless effort to educate me. I think one of  
my problems is the same as the thing that caused me to initially buy  
dozens of computer books on the same topic, searching for authors who  
used "my" vocabulary. Amazingly, sometimes I managed to do that, or,  
maybe from reading all of the other volumes I just got "smarter"; but  
at  some point I started understanding what I read. In both your and  
Jim's explanations/examples you've used the word "keys". I don't like  
that word because it doesn't have a meaning that I understand in this  
context. I'm not sure what word I would use, perhaps "Index" or  
"matrixLocator" or ?? To me a "key" is used to unlock something, not  
locate or find it.

I thank all of you for your diligence and patience. Before too long,  
this whole set of curiosities will be assembled into a really  
informative Macinstruct.com article on RR. But I'm still waiting for  
my own "Aha!" moment. I loved what you said about the Script Vars. We  
used them in FutureBasic many times. I wish we'd had them in HC. I,  
too, had several applications with 20 to 25 Start using Stacks that  
required globals to communicate with one another. In my case, I used  
one of the stacks to maintain control of the globals. On startup, one  
of the first things that happened was this stack was opened and  
fields were loaded into memory; at which time each line of the fields  
was put into a global. During operation, when these values were  
changed by the user, the line items in that stack were modified. This  
worked great for a huge number of catalog/inventory items used for  
pricing and a bunch of other things. I've a hunch this was not a lot  
different than customproperties.

For those interested, it only took me a couple of hours to completely  
redo my "lost" menu bar.

Have a good weekend all of you. I've got some architecture to do.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 30, 2007, at 8:35 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> Please enlighten me. With HC I never really had any problem using  
>> Globals pretty extensively. I know all of the "old" adverse  
>> thoughts and how it was felt to be bad programming practice; and,  
>> perhaps, before we could have some pretty long vars, maybe it was  
>> tough coming up with names that didn't create conflicts, but I  
>> think we're past all of that now. So... why is using Custom  
>> Properties any better than using globals.
>
> Like Richard, I use variables and custom properties for different  
> reasons. If data needs to be saved permanently with the stack (like  
> a set of user prefs, for example) custom properties are perfect.  
> Rev stores your preferences this way. For data that is only used  
> during the current session, I think it is preferable to use variables.
>
> But I avoid globals in general, and prefer script-local variables  
> instead. Globals clutter up the name space and the variable  
> watcher, they are hard to keep track of, and there can be naming  
> conflicts with other stacks. Mostly it's the cluttter I don't like.  
> I've translated a lot of HC stacks that make me cringe from global  
> overload. I've also noticed that many novice HC authors used  
> globals simply because they didn't know how to pass parameters.  
> That's easy to fix.
>
> I once worked on a large HC conversion that used globals all over  
> the place, there must have been more than a hundred of them. This  
> was often necessary in HC because there wasn't any other way to do  
> certain things, but by the time your variable watcher fills up with  
> that many globals you can hardly keep track of any of them. In this  
> particular stack, I was able to change the globals to script-locals  
> in almost every case, and reduced the number of globals down to a  
> small handful. I usually only employ globals for data that needs to  
> be frequently accessed across stacks or objects. For infrequent  
> access I sometimes use custom properties intead; it depends.
>
> A script-local variable acts just like a global, but with a more  
> limited scope. It only "belongs" to the script that contains it,  
> rather than being accessible from anywhere. When that script isn't  
> being executed, the variable is out of the way. It is easier to  
> keep track of these variables because they only appear in a single  
> script; they don't populate the variable watcher anywhere else.
>
> For example, how many times in HC did you have to do something like  
> this:
>
> on doThing
>  global gBoolean
>  put true into gBoolean
> end doThing
>
> on doThingTwo
>  global gBoolean
>  if gBoolean = true then doThingThree
>  put false into gBoolean
> end doThingTwo
>
> Though these handlers are in the same script, HC requires a global  
> variable to retain the value of gBoolean between handler  
> executions. With Rev, a script local variable can do this instead.  
> Just pop the variable up at the top of the script and it is  
> available to any handler in that script:
>
> local sBoolean -- this is the only declaration you need
>
> on doThing
>  put true into sBoolean
> end doThing
>
> on doThingTwo
>  if sBoolean = true then doThingThree
>  put false into sBoolean
> end doThingTwo
>
> Outside of this script, the variable is not available and stays out  
> of the way. However, the script itself retains the value of the  
> variable for the entire session; you don't need to reset it between  
> handler executions. I really like script local variables. They are  
> like mini-globals.
>
> Custom properties are a different animal. They provide permanent  
> storage because they are saved with the stack, but you can also use  
> them as temporary storage if you want to. The down side to using  
> them as temporary, session-specific storage is that when the stack  
> closes (or opens) you have to remember to initialize them to empty.  
> With script-local variables, that isn't an issue because, like any  
> variable, script-locals disappear when the engine quits.
>
> Custom properties take slightly longer to access than either global  
> or script-local variables. The increased access time is small, so  
> in most cases it's moot. But if speed is an issue or you have a lot  
> of data to retrieve frequently, use variables instead of custom  
> properties.
>
> Custom properties, like variables, are created automatically  
> whenever you first reference them:
>
>   set the cUser of this cd to "joe"
>
> creates a custom property of the card called "cUser", if it doesn't  
> already exist. The value of the "cUser" custom property is "joe".  
> Now whenever you need to get that value, you can retrieve it:
>
>   put the cUser of this cd into tUserName
>
> Now the variable "tUserName" contains "joe". The custom property  
> will be saved with the stack. We used to use hidden fields for this  
> stuff in HC. Custom properties are much better; they are like  
> infinite hidden field space with some additional enhancements  
> besides -- and you don't have to clutter up your stack with  
> invisible objects. Remember the stacks that used to store data at  
> the top of scripts? The ones with big "DO NOT MOVE THIS DATA"  
> comments around them? (Apple shipped the calendar stack with one of  
> those.) Those lines of script would have been in custom properties,  
> if HC had had them.
>
> Custom properties can also be stored in custom property sets, which  
> you can create at will. Custom property sets are arrays with keys  
> and values -- basically just a group of related properties. You can  
> have the same keys in different sets if you want; for example, you  
> could have a custom property set called "English" and another one  
> called "French". Each array could have the same keys; perhaps each  
> key would be a field name. The values in the keys of each set would  
> be different though -- the English set would store the English  
> names for the fields, and the French set would store them in that  
> language.
>
> It then becomes very easy to change all the field labels to the  
> language of choice when the stack opens. You simply set the  
> customPropertySet of the stack to the language you want, and set  
> each label field to the value of the matching key in the array.
>
> I generally use custom properties for different things than I use  
> variables. They can be somewhat interchangeable, and I do that  
> sometimes, but in general I like variables for session use and  
> properties for permanent storage.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 31 00:29:15 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:29:15 -0500
Subject: From Planet Bizarre!
In-Reply-To: <f99b52860703302048r5d29310eq1666719d3c2a1fb7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <460C8588.9090008@hindu.org>
	<460D5035.4060703@hyperactivesw.com>	<460DAA56.3030705@hindu.org>
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Message-ID: <460DE39B.90400@hyperactivesw.com>

Sarah Reichelt wrote:
> On 3/31/07, J. Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
>> Sivakatirswami wrote:
>>
>> > Right, it took me 1/2 of coaching over the phone to get her to take a
>> > screen
>> > shot, and send that as an attachment by her yahoo web mail account,
>> >
>> > Q: "Oh dear... it's gone now... "
>> > A: "It's on your desktop"
>> > Q: "But I have other windows in the way now...what do I do?"
>>
>> You've been listening to my phone conversations, haven't you? ;)
>>
>> "It went away."
>> "What went away?"
>> "The thing."
>> "What thing? What does it look like?"
>> "It's...I don't know. There were words on it. Maybe if I click this..."
>> "Wait! Don't click yet! What do the words say?"
>> "Oh no, now what do I do? It's all gone!"
>> "What's gone? What happened?"
>> "I don't know! It went away!"
>>
>> I never did identify the "thing".
> 
> It crashed!
> What crashed - the whole computer or just the program? Where you still
> able to move the mouse pointer?
> Well it gave an error.
> OK, what was the error?
> I don't know.

"I got a box."
"A box? With words in it? What does it say?"
"It says, 'Enter your user name.'"
"Okay. Type your name in there."
"Oh. Okay." <typety typety typety> "Nothing happens."
"What do you mean?"
"I'm typing but nothing happens."
"Did you click in the box before you typed?"
"I have to click in the box? What box?"
"The box where it says to enter your name."
"Oh. Okay." <typety typety> "Nothing happens."
"Where did you click?"
"Where you said."
"Where exactly?"
"On one of the words, I think. Maybe it was 'name'."
"No, you click in the empty space with the rectangle around it. 
Underneath the instructions."
"Oh, I see what you mean. But when I do that, a little line starts 
blinking."
"Right, that shows where your typing will go."
"Oh. How do I get rid of the line so my typing will go in there?"

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 31 00:35:28 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:35:28 -0700
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <694989537.20070330211113@ahsoftware.net>
References: <460DA58F.7070806@fourthworld.com>
	<694989537.20070330211113@ahsoftware.net>
Message-ID: <95253D6F-4233-4A25-A46F-3AE2D329A622@Cox.Net>

Ditto, Mark. Some more great reading. Needless to say, my extensive  
use of globals way back in the beginning was mostly because, as you  
guys have pointed out, I hadn't learned any other ways to do what I  
had to do. However, that was one of the reasons I fell in love with  
HC. It let someone like me, who wasn't a programmer at the time, or  
even now I suppose, really get something done that worked and solved  
problems. Again, thanks for all of this great info and opinions. I  
hope some of the newbies on the list have taken the time to follow  
this thread.

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 30, 2007, at 10:11 PM, Mark Wieder wrote:

> What's wrong with globals?
>
> Normally I don't trot out my globals tirade because it upsets people,
> but since you asked...
>
> <flame suit on>
> Globals are what I usually think of as the way people start out using
> variables until they learn better ways. It's a way of avoiding
> learning some "proper" techniques of programming: decoupling,
> narrowing scope, things that make your code better.
> <flame suit off>
>
> That said, Chipp Walters has hipped me to some very clever ways of
> using globals in a rev environment that would actually be rather
> clumsy doing any other way (relying on persistence even after a stack
> has been removed from memory).
>
> So, in addition to the fine job Jim Ault has done explaining globals,
> I'd like to add:
>
> 1. Global variables can be changed from multiple spots in your code.
> That value you just put into a global variable may have just gotten
> overwritten by some other object (a card script, a timer, etc) and is
> not the value you expect. The whole reason local variables exist is to
> restrict variable scope to prevent them getting stepped on.
>
> 2. As Jim pointed out, globals stick around in memory and you can't
> tell if they're there or not - the act of checking creates them.
>
> As a corollary, many modern languages do garbage collection
> periodically, in which unused variables are removed from memory to
> reclaim space. The use of globals which are expected to be persistent
> can cause problems translating from one computer language to another.
>
> 3. Trying to edit a script to change a global into a local variable is
> messy. The compiler complains because the global is still in memory
> from the last compilation. You have to go to the message box first and
> type
>   global xyz;delete global xyz
> and then you can change the xyz declaration in your script to local.
> This is especially messy if you have the global defined in several
> scripts (which I assume is why you made a global in the first place).
>
> If you absolutely have to use a global, it's best to stick to the
> convention of a "g" prefix (gMyGlobal) so that 1) if you decide to
> change it to a local later on you can just drop the "g" globally
> (haha) and 2) you can be sure in reading your code when you're
> using a global and when you're using a local.
>
> 4. There's almost always a better approach than using a global
> variable. Passing a parameter to a function rather than filling in a
> global variable and retrieving it comes to mind, as does using custom
> properties. Or just rethinking the code that called for a global in
> the first place.
>
> 5. If you have more than a few objects, it starts getting a bit fuzzy
> as to who's using a given global. If you want to change or delete a
> global, do you actually have clear in your head all the places in your
> stack where it's used? Can you stuff a new value into it and not
> affect something 20 cards down the line? If you rename a global, can
> you remember all the places that use it? And how they interact?
>
> 6. Using global variables couples objects, stacks, scripts together
> very tightly in a way that message- or parameter-passing does not.
>
> 7. Just because a global is declared in multiple places doesn't
> guarantee that it will be used for the same purpose. Worst case
> scenario: "global gTemp" as a temporary storage between scripts will
> almost invariably cause problems. It may be used to store a
> temperature variable to be recovered by another script, which then
> places a result string into it to be retrieved by a third script. This
> can cause no end of debugging nightmares.
>
> I don't use global variables myself if I can at all avoid it. In all
> the time I've been using rev I think I have maybe a handful of global
> variables sprinkled through my code, and usually just because I was
> too lazy to do things right. I've almost always regretted putting
> things into global variables and had to spend more time fixing them up
> afterwards.
>
> I do use get and set routines sometimes for variables that have to
> have a life outside of their home scripts. I think it's just one step
> above the use of global vars, but at least it affords a little bit of
> control over when a global var gets changed and makes it a bit easier
> to debug. I can always put a breakpoint into the setter routine to see
> who's changing it:
>
> local someVar
>
> function SomeVar
>   return someVar
> end SomeVar
>
> on PutSomeVar pValue
>   -- could put a breakpoint here
>   put pValue into someVar
> end PutSomeVar
>
> -- 
> -Mark Wieder
>  mwieder at ahsoftware.net
>
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From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 31 00:36:28 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:36:28 -0700
Subject: From Planet Bizarre!
In-Reply-To: <460DE39B.90400@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <C233335C.44A52%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

An expression I have to use frequently when guiding a novice..

"The other right-hand side"

Jim Ault
Las Vegas





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Mar 31 01:50:36 2007
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:50:36 -0700
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
Message-ID: <460DF6AC.1090500@fourthworld.com>

Mark Wieder wrote:

> Globals are what I usually think of as the way people start out using
> variables until they learn better ways. 

This raises the central question:

   If using globals are to be seen as a Very Bad Thing,
   why is it that some of the world's most experienced programmers
   keep designing languages that support them?

:)

Nearly any attribute of any entity can have both good and bad effects. 
I believe the same is true for global variables.   While I agree with 
every point you made, most of them also apply to custom props and some 
can even be helpful features of globals.

I tend to agree that HyperTalkers are especially prone to using globals 
in places where alternatives may do more for them.  But in HyperCard 
that's all they had, there were no custom properties or script-local 
variables.  Who could blame the Bedouin for not knowing how to swim?

But on balance, I believe there's a good reason most languages have 
globals in their design.  When you need 'em, you need 'em.

The tough part is knowing when you need 'em.


Maybe some brave soul with time on their hands can fill in this matrix:


                      Best For...       Not So Good For...
                     -------------     --------------------
           Globals

            Locals

     Script-Locals

Custom Properties



If anyone wants to take a stab at something like that I'll gladly post 
it at revJournal....

-- 
  Richard Gaskin
  Managing Editor, revJournal
  _______________________________________________________
  Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com


From calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ  Sat Mar 31 03:54:32 2007
From: calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ (Cal Horner)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:54:32 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time)
Subject: Framed
Message-ID: <460E13B8.000003.04056@CALSBIGPC>

I'm looking for the simple control 'Frame' that usually appears in any IDE I
have ever used. Well, that is until I started using this one.

Perhaps I am just missing the obvious? But in the end I clumped together one
that seems to work.

I know from looking at other stacks that there are controls that look like
the bog standard frame control, my questions are:

1. Did you have to build the 'Frame' yourself?

2. Is there one that can be shared and stuck in the object library.

If you don't really know what I'm talking about, here is a definition of
one:

The frame control visually groups controls that are functionally related.

Cal

 

From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Mar 31 04:25:50 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 03:25:50 -0500
Subject: Framed
In-Reply-To: <460E13B8.000003.04056@CALSBIGPC>
References: <460E13B8.000003.04056@CALSBIGPC>
Message-ID: <20070331032550164294.edf1c285@sonsothunder.com>

On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:54:32 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time), Cal 
Horner wrote:

> The frame control visually groups controls that are functionally related.

Ah - all you need to do is select the controls you want grouped, group 
them with the Group Selected command, click on the "Border" checkbox in 
the inspector, and if you want it titled, set the label of the group 
and click on "Display Name". This should give you the "frame" you're 
looking for.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 31 04:32:01 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:32:01 -0700
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <460DF6AC.1090500@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <C2336A91.44A5D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

Hey, good job, Richard, this is may actually get to be a useful thread!

I did not say I did not use globals, but that they become difficult to
manage in complex projects.  I am going to be rewriting a major set of
stacks this summer, and will drasticly cut down the number of globals.  My
biggest difficulty is tweaking the code and debugging the work I did 2 years
ago.

Variable watcher has become a challenge because I have loaded it with so
many globals starting with 'g' that don't have anything to do with the
handler I am tracing.  By switching to 'z', at least the globals fall to the
bottom.

[aside: globals are what I reach for when I am not sure where I am going
with my design.  If this process goes on long enough, it becomes very messy.
I then can see how I should have designed my data storage and access, but
what a job to fix it :-)]

In this particular project, custom property sets make more sense for me.
Think of stock market data throughout the day.  Most of the data points
become obsolete within minutes, but are critical to updating a user
interface and making decisions.  Several data points need to be benchmarked
and stored.  Now lets say you create "a group of globals" to track info
about the same stock symbol, and we are following 15 stock symbols today,
thus each global times 15.   This is a natural for custom property sets, and
tricky for globals and handlers to maintain them.

set the custompropetyset of this stack to "cpsNASDAQ"
--now any handler working with data (such as open, close, bid, ask, etc)
will update the NASDAQ 'table' or property set.
set the custompropetyset of this stack to "cpsSP500" --another table INSTEAD
--this is like using another set of globals with the same gNames.

Here you would not have to change global names, or use indirect references,
yet the stored data would be available in any stack in Rev.

--from anywhere
put the cpsSP500[cpBid ] of stack "TradeLots" into currBid
put the cpsNASDAQ[cpBid ] of stack "TradeLots" into currBid
put the cpsNASDAQ[cpAsk ] of stack "TradeLots" into currAsk
set the cpsNASDAQ[cpSpread] to (currAsk - currBid)

set the cpsSP500[cpMktTime] of stack "TradeLots" to the short time
set the cpsNASDAQ[cpMktTime] of stack "TradeLots" to the short time
--or this way ---
set the cps of stack " TradeLots" to " cpsNASDAQ"
set the cpMktTime of stack "TradeLots" to the short time

put askWifesParentsForMoreMoney into future
get (the cpsSP500[cpCurrProfit] + the cpsNASDAQ[cpCurrProfit])
put askWifesParentsForMoreMoney into immediateFuture

So now you have instant access to tables of data (NASDAQ, SP500) using the
same variable names/(or different if you wish)/ (cpBid, cpAsk, cpMktTime)
from any handler, at any time without declaring local or global variables or
worrying about scope.  Add two new subStacks and no need to declare globals.

To start the day...
on openstack
   set the custompropetysets of this stack to empty
   --or more likely
   set the custompropetyset "NASDAQ" of this stack to empty
   set the custompropetyset "SP500" of this stack to empty

   GET the custompropetyset "CurrPostion" of this stack
   combine it using cr and tab
   put it into fld showCurrPosition
   --3 step reporting of a property set ---
   --more elaborate reporting -----
   replace comma with tab in it
   put it into fld showCurrPostion
   set the clipboarddata to it
   --now paste it into an Excel spreadsheet ---
end openstack
-------------------------------------
Question:  Are you already using a custom property name?
put the customKeys of this stack into message box
--or--
get ("cpPetName" is among the lines of the customKeys of this stack)
answer it
-------------------------------------
Keep an hourly record of the stats as blocks of 'global variables'
set the customproperties["cpsNASDAQ0900"] of this stack to \
     the customproperties["cpsNASDAQ"] of this stack
save this stack
set the customproperties["cpsNASDAQ1000"] of this stack to \
     the customproperties["cpsNASDAQ"] of this stack
set the customproperties["cpsNASDAQ1100"] of this stack to \
     the customproperties["cpsNASDAQ"] of this stack
-------------------------
put the customproperties["cpsNASDAQ"] of this stack into dataArray
--all variables are now in dataArray
------------------------
--remote possiblities
set the customproperties of this card to dataArray
go card 6 of stack "Report Stack"
put the customproperties of recent card into dataArrIsNowHere
set the customproperties of recent card to empty
--or --
set the customproperties of card 6 of stack " Report Stack" to dataArray
go card 6 of stack " Report Stack"
--or--
set the custompropertysets of card 6 of stack " Report Stack" to \
     ("cps"& the short date)  --use the date as the set name
set the customproperties of card 6 of stack " Report Stack" to dataArray
go card 6 of stack " Report Stack"
--use the current property set with "of this card"
-------------------------------------
--update the property set from any handler any where
set the custompropertysets of card 6 of stack " Report Stack" to \
      ("cps"& the short date)
set the cpHighBid of card 6 of stack "reportStack" to currHighBid
set the cpHighAsk of card 6 of stack "reportStack" to currHighAsk
get the the customproperties of card 6 of stack " Report Stack"
combine it using cr and tab
put it into fld "dailyStats" of card 6 of stack " Report Stack"
put it into message box
------------------------------------

To do the above would take lots and lots of globals. repeat loops, list
managers,  and probably (word,item,line) chunks + itemoffset, lineoffset.
--------------------------------------
Question:   Has any value in the table (cp set) changed?
set the customproperties of this CARD to the customproperties of this STACK
--then later
put the customproperties of this stack into currVer
put the customproperties of this card into prevVer
combine currVer using cr and tab --now a list
combine prevVer using cr and tab --now a list
if currVer <> prevVer then
 -- then something was changed at least once by some handler somewhere.
----------------
--you can categorize you data storage in logical tables
set the propertyset of this stack to "cpsStatusVars"
set the propertyset of this stack to "cpsTimerVars"
set the propertyset of this stack to "cpsEventVars"
--which can be updated from anywhere, checked and reported.
-------------------

If a lot of data is to be manipulated and complex reports/queries done, you
should be thinking about a real database like SQL or Valentina or other.

I think that an article tied to live examples would be a very good article.
I will help.

Jim Ault
Las Vegas


On 3/30/07 10:50 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Mark Wieder wrote:
> 
>> Globals are what I usually think of as the way people start out using
>> variables until they learn better ways.
> 
> This raises the central question:
> 
>    If using globals are to be seen as a Very Bad Thing,
>    why is it that some of the world's most experienced programmers
>    keep designing languages that support them?
> 
> :)
> 
> Nearly any attribute of any entity can have both good and bad effects.
> I believe the same is true for global variables.   While I agree with
> every point you made, most of them also apply to custom props and some
> can even be helpful features of globals.
> 
> I tend to agree that HyperTalkers are especially prone to using globals
> in places where alternatives may do more for them.  But in HyperCard
> that's all they had, there were no custom properties or script-local
> variables.  Who could blame the Bedouin for not knowing how to swim?
> 
> But on balance, I believe there's a good reason most languages have
> globals in their design.  When you need 'em, you need 'em.
> 
> The tough part is knowing when you need 'em.
> 
> 
> Maybe some brave soul with time on their hands can fill in this matrix:
> 
> 
>                       Best For...       Not So Good For...
>                      -------------     --------------------
>            Globals
> 
>             Locals
> 
>      Script-Locals
> 
> Custom Properties
> 
> 
> 
> If anyone wants to take a stab at something like that I'll gladly post
> it at revJournal....




From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 31 04:43:50 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 09:43:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [OT] News for financially challenged Windows users
Message-ID: <111978.94007.qm@web37513.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey,

just noticed that a new version of the Open CD was
released:

http://theopencd.org/

a lot of my friends &/or clients who want to 'go
legal' are paying for XP and then installing all the
productivity stuff from the Open CD

funny how the Open Source Movement is helping pople
stay with Windows :)

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 31 04:47:53 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 09:47:53 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [OT] News for financially challenged computer users
Message-ID: <472004.8312.qm@web37505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sorry,

forgot to include the following which is good for both
WIN and MAC users:

http://softwarefor.org/downloads.html

of course Linux users just merrily download everything
they need from a repository near them :)

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From effendi at wanadoo.fr  Sat Mar 31 08:35:39 2007
From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:35:39 +0200
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
Message-ID: <182a681713c822520286be2f284ecd84@wanadoo.fr>

Hi from Paris,

I didn't ask the question .....

..... but I'm grateful for the answers !

Thanks Jim

-Francis

"Nothing should ever be done for the first time !"




From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 31 09:18:26 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:18:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Free Icons for developers
Message-ID: <760569.7188.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I know that many RR developers are on the lookout for
high-quality icons for toolbars and so forth:

these are really super:

http://www.kombine.net/icons.php

and a subset of them (the most widely used) are FREE!

sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Mar 31 09:30:25 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:30:25 +0200
Subject: Free Icons for developers
In-Reply-To: <760569.7188.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <760569.7188.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <87F7BBED-F08C-4B57-A03B-29E50E29E937@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Richmond,

Thanks for posting the link. It is a small though fine set and best  
of all this is one of the very few free and really royalty-free icons  
I know of.

Mark

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Op 31-mrt-2007, om 15:18 heeft Richmond Mathewson het volgende  
geschreven:

> I know that many RR developers are on the lookout for
> high-quality icons for toolbars and so forth:
>
> these are really super:
>
> http://www.kombine.net/icons.php
>
> and a subset of them (the most widely used) are FREE!
>
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson



From cszasz at mac.com  Sat Mar 31 12:11:12 2007
From: cszasz at mac.com (Charles Szasz)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 12:11:12 -0400
Subject: Thanks!
Message-ID: <3615AAC0-D5F4-4F16-B9D1-B8FD8A10739E@mac.com>

Thanks to everyone who provided suggestions to my menu and RTF  
questions. This is what makes Rev, which a great programming tool,  
even greater. Again, thanks to the Rev community!


Charles Szasz
cszasz at mac.com





From geradamas at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 31 12:16:12 2007
From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:16:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Free Icons for developers
Message-ID: <956722.40159.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just uploaded the previously mentioned icons to
RevOnline in the format of a revLib so they can be
readily accessed as icons for button and so on:

revLibNova   (legacy format)

Love, Richmond Mathewson

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From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Mar 31 13:14:28 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:14:28 +0200
Subject: MCDumy (Was: memory leak)
In-Reply-To: <001601c76183$70cbe850$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
References: <001601c76183$70cbe850$480aa8c0@didata.bw>
Message-ID: <1E5782B3-8599-4EC0-9AEA-725F2DE72861@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi,

The error should no longer happen of you close the connection with  
revCloseDatabase.

Best,

Mark

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Op 8-mrt-2007, om 14:12 heeft Nic Prioleau het volgende geschreven:

> Hi,
>
> I have an app that uses as auto update stack which is also compiled  
> as my standalone. It launches "mainstack" stack that connects to  
> mySQL. I have put my externals reference into the "mainStack" as  
> follows:
>
> Put sys_appPath(true) & "/data/externals/revxml.dll" &cr after  
> tExternals
> Put sys_appPath(true) & "/data/externals/dbMysql.dll" &cr after  
> tExternals (and so on)
>
> Set the externals of this stack to tExternals
> Put sys_AppPath(true) & "/data/externals/" into theDrivers
> RevSetDatabaseDriverPath theDrivers
>
> This actually works fine with no errors or anything but when I  
> CLOSE my standalone app, I am getting an error "mcDummy - the  
> instruction at ..... Referenced memory at ..... The memory could no  
> be read"
>
> I really am stumped here coz this was never happening before and I  
> obviously changed something without realising and have not been  
> able to get rid of this problem. I do know that when I remove the  
> "data" directory, I no longer have the problem but then I cannot  
> connect to my DB!!
>
> Any suggestions??
>
> Thanks
> Regards
> Nic




From jeff at siphonophore.com  Sat Mar 31 13:24:18 2007
From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:24:18 -0400
Subject: From Planet Bizarre!
In-Reply-To: <20070331170005.81D8748905F@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070331170005.81D8748905F@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C3C84CEA-DBF2-497F-8F3A-1BFD9E1AC981@siphonophore.com>

ROTGL!!!!!!

you guys have my phone tapped!

I thought the old "open a new window", "ok just a second the window  
is in the next room" was an urban myth till i had it said to me last  
year while trying to work out a problem on someone's windoz system  
via phone...

discussions to come to the solution of what is being called 'thingie'  
have often felt like the search for the holy grail or the source of  
the nile -- exploration can go on and on and on into uncharted  
territory, at times feeling like indiana jones!

cheers,

jeff reynolds



On Mar 31, 2007, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com  
wrote:

>>> "It went away."
>>> "What went away?"
>>> "The thing."
>>> "What thing? What does it look like?"
>>> "It's...I don't know. There were words on it. Maybe if I click  
>>> this..."
>>> "Wait! Don't click yet! What do the words say?"
>>> "Oh no, now what do I do? It's all gone!"
>>> "What's gone? What happened?"
>>> "I don't know! It went away!"
>>>
>>> I never did identify the "thing".
>>
>> It crashed!
>> What crashed - the whole computer or just the program? Where you  
>> still
>> able to move the mouse pointer?
>> Well it gave an error.
>> OK, what was the error?
>> I don't know.
>
> "I got a box."
> "A box? With words in it? What does it say?"
> "It says, 'Enter your user name.'"
> "Okay. Type your name in there."
> "Oh. Okay." <typety typety typety> "Nothing happens."
> "What do you mean?"
> "I'm typing but nothing happens."
> "Did you click in the box before you typed?"
> "I have to click in the box? What box?"
> "The box where it says to enter your name."
> "Oh. Okay." <typety typety> "Nothing happens."
> "Where did you click?"
> "Where you said."
> "Where exactly?"
> "On one of the words, I think. Maybe it was 'name'."
> "No, you click in the empty space with the rectangle around it.
> Underneath the instructions."
> "Oh, I see what you mean. But when I do that, a little line starts
> blinking."
> "Right, that shows where your typing will go."
> "Oh. How do I get rid of the line so my typing will go in there?"



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Mar 31 14:30:04 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:30:04 -0800
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <460DF6AC.1090500@fourthworld.com>
References: <460DF6AC.1090500@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <146142919717.20070331103004@ahsoftware.net>

Richard-

Friday, March 30, 2007, 9:50:36 PM, you wrote:

>    If using globals are to be seen as a Very Bad Thing,
>    why is it that some of the world's most experienced programmers
>    keep designing languages that support them?

Because, as Joe pointed out, they "really get something done that
worked and solved problems". Global variables are one of the
out-of-the-box enablers that help people find their way in a new
environment (and face it - xtalk is a new environment to anyone used
to anything else).

I put globals in the same category as unquoted literal strings for
getting the instant gratification that leads to that "aha!" moment.
Without that, it's all too rare for someone to push on and learn the
nuances of "local" or creating their own functions or when to move
handlers out of the stack script and into various objects.

The training wheels are very important, but xtalk also offers the
possibility the grow and improve and explore.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From mwieder at ahsoftware.net  Sat Mar 31 14:40:56 2007
From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:40:56 -0800
Subject: What's wrong with Globals?
In-Reply-To: <C2336A91.44A5D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C2336A91.44A5D%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <121143571805.20070331104056@ahsoftware.net>

Jim-

As usual, an excellent writeup on custom property sets

Saturday, March 31, 2007, 12:32:01 AM, you wrote:

> [aside: globals are what I reach for when I am not sure where I am going
> with my design.  If this process goes on long enough, it becomes very messy.
> I then can see how I should have designed my data storage and access, but
> what a job to fix it :-)]

<g> I've stopped doing that for exactly that reason. Now when I feel
tempted to do that I'll make a local variable with get and set
handlers, then later on figure out the best way to deal with it.

Usually I will do what you do and end up with custom property sets,
but sometimes I will end up with local arrays. I do wish arrays
behaved themselves better, though.

-- 
-Mark Wieder
 mwieder at ahsoftware.net



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 31 13:43:28 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 10:43:28 -0700
Subject: I need a previous version of Rev Enterprise
Message-ID: <C233EBD0.44A7F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

I am using the 2.7.2 version of Rev for Mac on both PPC and Intel
My business needs to expand to an install of the IDE on an XP machine and I
would like to keep my development versions the same build.

Is there a way to get the 2.7.2 install?

thanks

Jim Ault




From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Mar 31 13:58:34 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:58:34 +0200
Subject: I need a previous version of Rev Enterprise
In-Reply-To: <C233EBD0.44A7F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C233EBD0.44A7F%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D8DDBB46-DCB0-4C05-B533-05FF56CA338E@economy-x-talk.com>

Hi Jim,

All versions from 2.0 up to and including 2.7.1 are available on  
Revolution's FTP server. I'd just ask support to upload 2.7.2. It  
wish RunRev put an overview of all available versions in an easy to  
find corner of their web site.

Best,

Mark

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Op 31-mrt-2007, om 19:43 heeft Jim Ault het volgende geschreven:

> I am using the 2.7.2 version of Rev for Mac on both PPC and Intel
> My business needs to expand to an install of the IDE on an XP  
> machine and I
> would like to keep my development versions the same build.
>
> Is there a way to get the 2.7.2 install?
>
> thanks
>
> Jim Ault



From klaus at major-k.de  Sat Mar 31 14:03:16 2007
From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:03:16 +0200
Subject: Free Icons for developers
In-Reply-To: <760569.7188.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <760569.7188.qm@web37504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1F7669C3-197B-45C5-949F-5298B1260FB8@major-k.de>

Hi Richmond,

very nice and useful icons, thanks for sharing this!

> I know that many RR developers are on the lookout for
> high-quality icons for toolbars and so forth:
> these are really super:
> http://www.kombine.net/icons.php
> and a subset of them (the most widely used) are FREE!
> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson

Best

Klaus Major
klaus at major-k.de
http://www.major-k.de



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 31 14:15:48 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:15:48 -0700
Subject: I need a previous version of Rev Enterprise
In-Reply-To: <D8DDBB46-DCB0-4C05-B533-05FF56CA338E@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C233F364.44A88%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/31/07 10:58 AM, "Mark Schonewille" <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
wrote:

> Hi Jim,
> 
> All versions from 2.0 up to and including 2.7.1 are available on
> Revolution's FTP server. I'd just ask support to upload 2.7.2. It
> wish RunRev put an overview of all available versions in an easy to
> find corner of their web site.
> 
Where would I find the ftp address?




From markgreenberg at cox.net  Sat Mar 31 14:20:23 2007
From: markgreenberg at cox.net (Mark Greenberg)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:20:23 -0700
Subject: From Planet Bizarre!
In-Reply-To: <20070331170005.676BE48904E@mail.runrev.com>
References: <20070331170005.676BE48904E@mail.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BB26C9A0-00B3-4BD4-AF6C-E7C2030185A9@cox.net>

The high school at which I teach has no textbooks, all the course  
content being delivered over the Internet and local network  
resources.  Last week I arrived to open the school only to find that  
all our network infrastructure was down -- online district utilities  
for email, grading, and attendance; the internet, which has most of  
the course content; and the connection to the on-campus servers that  
authenticate the student and teacher logins and house the students'  
work and additional course materials.  Even our phone system was down  
for some reason.  In the past we've lost our network connections for  
brief periods of time due to problems with the microwave relaying  
system that connects us to the district, but this was more widespread.

Students began arriving about an hour after I first arrived.  A few  
of us teachers got together and figured out some make-shift  
activities that lasted about two hours.  Then we let the students  
take a break.  As the highest ranking educator on campus at the time,  
I used that opportunity to run upstairs to where the technicians  
work.  There were two district technicians there. I'll call them Tom  
and Harry.

Me:  "Tom, I'd like to know whether the problem with our network is  
likely to last very much longer so we can figure out what to do with  
the students.  They're on break right now."

Tom:  "Harry was working on that.  He's in the bathroom."

Me to Harry after he returns to his desk:  "Harry, can you give me  
any idea about how long this network problem might last so we can  
make some decisions about what to do with the kids?"

Harry, shrugging his shoulders and raising both hands: "I have  
nothing to do with the Internet."

Me:  "The kids are on break right now.  Do you think that this is  
likely to last all day or just a short while?"

Harry:  "All I can do is run a local diagnostic and report to the  
district."

Me:  "Well, can you do that?"

Harry:  "Do what?"

Me:  "Run the diagnostic and let the district know what's going on."

Harry:  "I already told you that's what I'm doing."

It took three days to get vital instructional services restored, and  
an additional day to reimage all the student computers, which they  
chose to do during school hours.  On that fourth day we were told it  
was a virus that brought down the network.

My point in relaying this story is that techs and practitioners speak  
a different language and have different views of tech support  
situations.  Techs usually come across as cryptic and evasive to us,  
while we, evidently, come across as idiots to techs.  In reality,  
techs are not usually as techy as they present themselves, and most  
practitioners are not as idiotic as the stereotype either.  For  
example, our campus tech told me we couldn't load Revolution on the  
student computers because the computers only have 40 GB hard drives,  
and Revolution would take up 30 Gigs of that space.  She was holding  
the Revolution CD in her hand as she said this.  I had to sit her  
down and walk her through the process to show her her error.  And I'm  
just a teacher.

Since this seems to be a communication problem that affects tech/ 
practitioner relations everywhere, how do we get past it?




From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 31 14:39:30 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 11:39:30 -0700
Subject: From Planet Bizarre!
In-Reply-To: <BB26C9A0-00B3-4BD4-AF6C-E7C2030185A9@cox.net>
References: <20070331170005.676BE48904E@mail.runrev.com>
	<BB26C9A0-00B3-4BD4-AF6C-E7C2030185A9@cox.net>
Message-ID: <3CCF2B54-794B-480D-B2BE-C74DED44ECC8@Cox.Net>

Dare I suggest you "switch"?

Joe Wilkins

On Mar 31, 2007, at 11:20 AM, Mark Greenberg wrote:
 >snip>
>
> Since this seems to be a communication problem that affects tech/ 
> practitioner relations everywhere, how do we get past it?
>
>
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 31 15:01:22 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 14:01:22 -0500
Subject: From Planet Bizarre!
In-Reply-To: <C3C84CEA-DBF2-497F-8F3A-1BFD9E1AC981@siphonophore.com>
References: <20070331170005.81D8748905F@mail.runrev.com>
	<C3C84CEA-DBF2-497F-8F3A-1BFD9E1AC981@siphonophore.com>
Message-ID: <460EB002.8070409@hyperactivesw.com>

Jeff Reynolds wrote:
> ROTGL!!!!!!
> 
> you guys have my phone tapped!
> 
> I thought the old "open a new window", "ok just a second the window is 
> in the next room" was an urban myth till i had it said to me last year 
> while trying to work out a problem on someone's windoz system via phone...

The part I left out is that the novice is my 87 year old mother who has 
never been in front of a computer until a few weeks ago.

"Now Mom, just don't do anything until I tell you to."
"All right dear."
"See that box with the words?"
"Yes. Just a minute, let me get rid of this thing."
"Don't click till I tell you!"
"Don't holler at me."
"I'm not hollering at you, I'm just excited."
"You are too hollering at me."
"I AM NOT HOLLERING AT YOU!!"
"Well, I've got a message here."
"A message? What's it say?"
"New Window, New Tab..."
"That's not a message Mom, that's a menu. What program are you in, anyway?"
"Firebox."
"Firefox."
"That's what I said."

On the other hand, she called me all excited one night to say that she 
went to "the yahoo" by herself. It's progress.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com  Sat Mar 31 16:44:05 2007
From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:44:05 +0200
Subject: I need a previous version of Rev Enterprise
In-Reply-To: <C233F364.44A88%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
References: <C233F364.44A88%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CF57A5BB-4335-47EA-AAC3-230DDA746C6E@economy-x-talk.com>

What about ftp.runrev.com ?

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Op 31-mrt-2007, om 20:15 heeft Jim Ault het volgende geschreven:

> Where would I find the ftp address?



From JimAultWins at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 31 16:54:37 2007
From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 13:54:37 -0700
Subject: I need a previous version of Rev Enterprise
In-Reply-To: <CF57A5BB-4335-47EA-AAC3-230DDA746C6E@economy-x-talk.com>
Message-ID: <C234189D.44A97%JimAultWins@yahoo.com>

On 3/31/07 1:44 PM, "Mark Schonewille" <m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com>
wrote:

> What about ftp.runrev.com ?
> 
Yep, it worked in a brower.
I was thinking something like
support. runrev.com/versions.developers.etc.etc
downloads. runrev.com/versions.developers.etc.etc

That's the trouble with setting up a new network by phone while trying to
think of how to upgrade software on a new network drive..

Thanks

Jim Ault
Las Vegas




From christian.langers at education.lu  Sat Mar 31 16:57:25 2007
From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:57:25 +0200
Subject: REVO-lotion
Message-ID: <1DB28C65-7049-4233-9A01-F428E90A0AFA@education.lu>

Does anybody on this list still need another REVO - lotion ?

;-)


Christian


From calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ  Sat Mar 31 18:03:59 2007
From: calhorner at xtra.Co.NZ (Cal Horner)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 10:03:59 +1200 (New Zealand Standard Time)
Subject: Framed
Message-ID: <460EDACF.000003.02216@CALSBIGPC>

Thanks Ken.

I figured that out shortly after i submitted the question.

It just seems funny that a simple control that has become such a standard in
the building of interfaces, should be "hidden" within a complex object.

But i guess that's the difference between industrial strength environments
and artistic environments.

Cal 

From mark at maseurope.net  Sat Mar 31 18:55:31 2007
From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 00:55:31 +0200
Subject: Framed
In-Reply-To: <460EDACF.000003.02216@CALSBIGPC>
References: <460EDACF.000003.02216@CALSBIGPC>
Message-ID: <B98D324E-A854-463F-96FF-7B94AAF7C0FD@maseurope.net>


On 1 Apr 2007, at 00:03, Cal Horner wrote:

> It just seems funny that a simple control that has become such a  
> standard in
> the building of interfaces, should be "hidden" within a complex  
> object.

In what sense are groups (as described by Ken) complex? Of course,  
you can nest groups, which can become complex if you want.

>
> But i guess that's the difference between industrial strength  
> environments
> and artistic environments.

OK, I have to ask....What does 'artistic' mean in terms of IDEs? (Or  
is the usage related to the date of your message?)


Best,

Mark


From jazu at comcast.net  Sat Mar 31 19:28:32 2007
From: jazu at comcast.net (James Z)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 16:28:32 -0700
Subject: REVO-lotion
In-Reply-To: <1DB28C65-7049-4233-9A01-F428E90A0AFA@education.lu>
Message-ID: <C2343CB0.5611%jazu@comcast.net>

Is this an April fools day joke from Run-Rev

In this age of viruses and worms, etc one never knows, besides if its a joke
its a day early.

Its a little  like calling Australia, its always tomorrow when  I call down
there.

James Z.


On 3/31/07 1:57 PM, "Christian Langers" <christian.langers at education.lu>
wrote:

> Does anybody on this list still need another REVO - lotion ?
> 
> ;-)
> 
> 
> Christian
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 31 21:10:30 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 20:10:30 -0500
Subject: REVO-lotion
In-Reply-To: <C2343CB0.5611%jazu@comcast.net>
References: <C2343CB0.5611%jazu@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <460F0686.70705@hyperactivesw.com>

James Z wrote:
> Is this an April fools day joke from Run-Rev
> 
> In this age of viruses and worms, etc one never knows, besides if its a joke
> its a day early.

It's an April Fool's joke. I think when it was released, it was already 
April in Europe.

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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 31 21:38:22 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:38:22 -0700
Subject: Paint Buicket Not working as advertised
In-Reply-To: <460F0686.70705@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C2343CB0.5611%jazu@comcast.net> <460F0686.70705@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <F1CD9368-6CFE-45E7-B6FA-010C8AC99401@Cox.Net>

Hi  everyone,

Well, I've been trying to use the paint bucket, but it's not working  
as the docs say it does:

If you try to paint with the bucket on a card that has no images, an  
image the size of the card is created to hold the painting. If the  
current card already has one or more images, painting outside the  
image has no effect.

using the statemnt  "choose bucket tool " changes the cursor to a  
paint bucket, but it stays that way evern over other objects. Must be  
a bug!

Joe Wilkins



From luis at anachreon.co.uk  Sat Mar 31 21:55:23 2007
From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis)
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 02:55:23 +0100
Subject: Paint Buicket Not working as advertised
In-Reply-To: <F1CD9368-6CFE-45E7-B6FA-010C8AC99401@Cox.Net>
References: <C2343CB0.5611%jazu@comcast.net> <460F0686.70705@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F1CD9368-6CFE-45E7-B6FA-010C8AC99401@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <E15ADEC0-A1D2-452F-9AAE-7BFA142DCF96@anachreon.co.uk>

Tried the brush?

:P

Cheers,

Luis.


On 1 Apr 2007, at 2:38, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:

> Hi  everyone,
>
> Well, I've been trying to use the paint bucket, but it's not  
> working as the docs say it does:
>
> If you try to paint with the bucket on a card that has no images,  
> an image the size of the card is created to hold the painting. If  
> the current card already has one or more images, painting outside  
> the image has no effect.
>
> using the statemnt  "choose bucket tool " changes the cursor to a  
> paint bucket, but it stays that way evern over other objects. Must  
> be a bug!
>
> Joe Wilkins
>
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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 31 21:56:38 2007
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 18:56:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [ANN] Preview Gallery for "Imagedate Toolkit 3"
Message-ID: <950988.14771.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fantasric.
 
These are not an attempt to reproduce the paintings,
 
they are something ganz anders.
 
Erik Hansen

 
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http://www.geocities.com/erikhans08/Video.html 
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From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 31 22:02:59 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:02:59 -0700
Subject: Paint Buicket Not working as advertised
In-Reply-To: <E15ADEC0-A1D2-452F-9AAE-7BFA142DCF96@anachreon.co.uk>
References: <C2343CB0.5611%jazu@comcast.net> <460F0686.70705@hyperactivesw.com>
	<F1CD9368-6CFE-45E7-B6FA-010C8AC99401@Cox.Net>
	<E15ADEC0-A1D2-452F-9AAE-7BFA142DCF96@anachreon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <89545036-AB5D-4413-A32C-737C1018BB17@Cox.Net>

The brush tool doesn't work at all. The bucket works but doesn't  
automatically change to the browse tool when not over an image.

Joe

On Mar 31, 2007, at 6:55 PM, Luis wrote:

> Tried the brush?
>
> :P
>
> Cheers,
>
> Luis.
>
>
> On 1 Apr 2007, at 2:38, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>
>> Hi  everyone,
>>
>> Well, I've been trying to use the paint bucket, but it's not  
>> working as the docs say it does:
>>
>> If you try to paint with the bucket on a card that has no images,  
>> an image the size of the card is created to hold the painting. If  
>> the current card already has one or more images, painting outside  
>> the image has no effect.
>>
>> using the statemnt  "choose bucket tool " changes the cursor to a  
>> paint bucket, but it stays that way evern over other objects. Must  
>> be a bug!
>>
>> Joe Wilkins
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Mar 31 22:35:30 2007
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 21:35:30 -0500
Subject: Paint Buicket Not working as advertised
In-Reply-To: <89545036-AB5D-4413-A32C-737C1018BB17@Cox.Net>
References: <C2343CB0.5611%jazu@comcast.net>
	<460F0686.70705@hyperactivesw.com>	<F1CD9368-6CFE-45E7-B6FA-010C8AC99401@Cox.Net>	<E15ADEC0-A1D2-452F-9AAE-7BFA142DCF96@anachreon.co.uk>
	<89545036-AB5D-4413-A32C-737C1018BB17@Cox.Net>
Message-ID: <460F1A72.8030504@hyperactivesw.com>

Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
> The brush tool doesn't work at all. The bucket works but doesn't 
> automatically change to the browse tool when not over an image.

None of the paint tools change, they aren't supposed to. There are also 
no messages sent to your stack when any of the paint or draw tools are 
in use. Basically, when you are painting, you are in a different mode.

The brush works, but you need to choose a color first. It isn't 
initialized to black.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pepetoo at Cox.Net  Sat Mar 31 22:42:38 2007
From: pepetoo at Cox.Net (Joe Lewis Wilkins)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 19:42:38 -0700
Subject: Paint Buicket Not working as advertised
In-Reply-To: <460F1A72.8030504@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <C2343CB0.5611%jazu@comcast.net>
	<460F0686.70705@hyperactivesw.com>	<F1CD9368-6CFE-45E7-B6FA-010C8AC99401@Cox.Net>	<E15ADEC0-A1D2-452F-9AAE-7BFA142DCF96@anachreon.co.uk>
	<89545036-AB5D-4413-A32C-737C1018BB17@Cox.Net>
	<460F1A72.8030504@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <DEDD2F78-877A-40C0-90BB-7863E5E0D8F2@Cox.Net>

I should have thought about that being the reason the brush doesn't  
work "now", since I've used it before; however, as the doc I quoted  
in my first email states that the bucket "does change" to the browse  
tool when the cursor is not over an image, it should do that or the  
doc should be changed to reflect the actual activity. Thanks, Jacque.  
You work a lot! But so do I. (smile)

Joe Wikins

On Mar 31, 2007, at 7:35 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
>> The brush tool doesn't work at all. The bucket works but doesn't  
>> automatically change to the browse tool when not over an image.
>
> None of the paint tools change, they aren't supposed to. There are  
> also no messages sent to your stack when any of the paint or draw  
> tools are in use. Basically, when you are painting, you are in a  
> different mode.
>
> The brush works, but you need to choose a color first. It isn't  
> initialized to black.
>
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Mar 31 23:16:26 2007
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:16:26 -0500
Subject: Framed
In-Reply-To: <B98D324E-A854-463F-96FF-7B94AAF7C0FD@maseurope.net>
References: <460EDACF.000003.02216@CALSBIGPC>
	<B98D324E-A854-463F-96FF-7B94AAF7C0FD@maseurope.net>
Message-ID: <20070331221626654781.66345026@sonsothunder.com>

On Sun, 1 Apr 2007 00:55:31 +0200, Mark Smith wrote:

> 
> On 1 Apr 2007, at 00:03, Cal Horner wrote:
> 
>> It just seems funny that a simple control that has become such a 
>> standard in
>> the building of interfaces, should be "hidden" within a complex object.
> 
> In what sense are groups (as described by Ken) complex? Of course, 
> you can nest groups, which can become complex if you want.

I don't think he meant "complex" in that manner - I think he meant that 
the "frame" wasn't an object in and of itself - that it was something 
that you needed to make multiple settings changes to get it to behave 
as a frame. Other languages just have a "frame object" that you drag 
and drop onto a form (card). If I'm wrong, Cal, please don't hesitate 
to correct me.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software, Inc.
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/