From chipp at chipp.com Sat Dec 1 00:49:29 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:49:29 -0600 Subject: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO Message-ID: <7aa52a210711302149s45dd376em9921971093730067@mail.gmail.com> Hey folks, Just thought I'd mention this so it's in the archives. Been working on a QuickTime editor recently. It's turning out nicely thanks to Trevor's fine Enhanced QT external. I'm creating it for WinXP and Vista. I decided to go ahead and use SMIL, one of those oft-touted but apparently seldom used XML standards, to do the QT preview compiles. Well sure enough, it began to work as expected, and I was able to quickly view the compilations of movie, image and sound snips in my QT player in Rev. Sadly, I couldn't view the timeline slider, but that's another issue altogether. The trouble continued when I tried to export the movie into one self-contained file. No matter how I tried, I was unable to configure Trevor's external to output the entire movie flattened. At first I figured it was a bug in the external export routine, but then I purchased QT Pro ($29 bucks down the drain- thanks Apple for your support), and found out even Apple's own QT player couldn't accomplish such a simple task of combining a single SMIL video and audio track into 1 exported movie. Some Internet sleuthing and I found out, among other QuickTime shortcomings, is Apple's very limited support for SMIL. And there is virtually no notes on SMIL and the PC platform-- that is left for the developer to find out on their own. Apparently, none of the 'special' tags work in Windows, only Mac. One would think with Apple wanting large adoption of QT on PC's, they would at least bother to spend the time documenting somewhere what it does and doesn't do. In anycase, I would recommend staying away from SMIL use and implementation if you plan on either: 1) Using it on a PC with Apple's special tags (like the one to always show the controller, which doesn't work) or; 2) You ever expect to need to export your SMIL generated movie as a self-contained file on any platform. Hope this prevents others from spending too much time in this particular rabbit hole. best, Chipp From josh at dvcreators.net Sat Dec 1 02:21:52 2007 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:21:52 -0800 Subject: is this a bug that has been reported or should be? In-Reply-To: <7BCF45A0-3066-4C96-9C8D-DD3A372B6924@economy-x-talk.com> References: <337C3CAA-D24B-4CD0-9689-7952D79A397E@dvcreators.net> <4735816B.4060207@ekoinf.net> <03C8A71E-9CB9-47E5-894E-19B7E7ED2C84@dvcreators.net> <7BCF45A0-3066-4C96-9C8D-DD3A372B6924@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <4AAE34BD-D5A6-4A69-87AF-C211CE0FA2C6@dvcreators.net> Ah. Will try that. On Nov 30, 2007, at 12:38 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Josh, > > This is not a bug. Use passive FTP. From josh at dvcreators.net Sat Dec 1 02:25:37 2007 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 23:25:37 -0800 Subject: is this a bug that has been reported or should be? In-Reply-To: References: <337C3CAA-D24B-4CD0-9689-7952D79A397E@dvcreators.net> <4735816B.4060207@ekoinf.net> <03C8A71E-9CB9-47E5-894E-19B7E7ED2C84@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <5F501293-3062-48A7-9ECE-3F362508F632@dvcreators.net> On Nov 30, 2007, at 1:13 PM, Dave Cragg wrote: > > On 30 Nov 2007, at 19:24, Josh Mellicker wrote: > >> Rev seems to want to initiate an additional FTP connection for >> each file uploaded... >> >> The problem with this is that when uploading small files, with the >> default libURLSetFTPStopTime, if a new file uploads before that >> interval, Rev will quickly use up all the available ftp >> connections for a server, preventing anyone (or Rev) from ftp >> access to that server (until the connection is manually closed (or >> times out?). > > Sarah mentioned a similar thing recently. I tested here and > everything worked as expected. (libUrl is designed to re-use open > connections.) > > What OS are you using, and do you know what ftp server? If you > could use libUrlSetLogField to get a log of the ftp sessions it > might help see what is happening. You can mail it to me off list. I am on OS X 10.4., and our server uses FTP Server (ProFTPd/PureFTPd). I will try libUrlSetLogField. Thanks! From andre at andregarzia.com Sat Dec 1 09:01:11 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:01:11 -0200 Subject: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210711302149s45dd376em9921971093730067@mail.gmail.com> References: <7aa52a210711302149s45dd376em9921971093730067@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712010601w685c4a26lf231f3c0744b14a1@mail.gmail.com> Chipp, I also went lost on that road before. I found that RealPlayer support for SMIL is better than apple, so people wanting to really use SMIL can move to RP or use a Flash Media Player, many support some SMIL. As for QT, it appears that there's a lot of half baked features. It's flash support is broken, it's hotspot support could be better, the SMIL support is odd... sometimes it feels like QT is hacked together instead of grown with a plan. I also paid for QT Pro and really wish Apple would gives a better editing tool as QT Pro users, QT Player editing feels like a toy. I can't recall how many times I went to Final Cut Pro on the university to do simple and silly movie editing that QT Pro should handle in an easy way. :-/ bad bad apple. Andre On 12/1/07, Chipp Walters wrote: > Hey folks, > > Just thought I'd mention this so it's in the archives. > Been working on a QuickTime editor recently. It's turning out nicely thanks > to Trevor's fine Enhanced QT external. I'm creating it for WinXP and Vista. > > > I decided to go ahead and use SMIL, one of those oft-touted but apparently > seldom used XML standards, to do the QT preview compiles. > > Well sure enough, it began to work as expected, and I was able to quickly > view the compilations of movie, image and sound snips in my QT player in > Rev. Sadly, I couldn't view the timeline slider, but that's another issue > altogether. > > The trouble continued when I tried to export the movie into one > self-contained file. No matter how I tried, I was unable to configure > Trevor's external to output the entire movie flattened. At first I figured > it was a bug in the external export routine, but then I purchased QT Pro > ($29 bucks down the drain- thanks Apple for your support), and found out > even Apple's own QT player couldn't accomplish such a simple task of > combining a single SMIL video and audio track into 1 exported movie. > > Some Internet sleuthing and I found out, among other QuickTime shortcomings, > is Apple's very limited support for SMIL. And there is virtually no notes on > SMIL and the PC platform-- that is left for the developer to find out on > their own. Apparently, none of the 'special' tags work in Windows, only Mac. > One would think with Apple wanting large adoption of QT on PC's, they would > at least bother to spend the time documenting somewhere what it does and > doesn't do. > > In anycase, I would recommend staying away from SMIL use and implementation > if you plan on either: > > 1) Using it on a PC with Apple's special tags (like the one to always show > the controller, which doesn't work) or; > 2) You ever expect to need to export your SMIL generated movie as a > self-contained file on any platform. > > Hope this prevents others from spending too much time in this particular > rabbit hole. > > best, Chipp > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Sat Dec 1 09:05:01 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 12:05:01 -0200 Subject: Testing if there is an Internet Connection In-Reply-To: <4750E840.4090606@hindu.org> References: <4750E840.4090606@hindu.org> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712010605x3257abbele4e12889c71e9293@mail.gmail.com> Aloha Folks, I use the following approach. I open a socket to my server, if it opens, I request an HTTP HEAD from it and inspect the result. all I need is to have a clear path to my server. Many general purpose solutions that rely on DNS or Broadcast packets may fail if the user has a home network or intranet where it really appears that he is on the internet but he's only on a LAN. Some friends even run their own DNS servers and have domains setup on their lan... detecting internet may become hard on those extreme scenarios, so instead of detecting the internet, try detecting your server, much easier. Andre On 12/1/07, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Dave wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > Is there a way to test if the machine you are running on currently > > connected to the Internet? > > > > Thanks a lot > > All the Best > > Dave > > I use a "baby face" method where the goal is to be > sure they are talking to our own servers > > put a file your web site: > > ping.txt > > put the word "true" into that file > > then it is as simple as : > > on testConnection > if not ((url "http://www.himalayanacademy.com/ping.txt")= "true") then > answer "Please log in to the internet and try again." with "OK" > end if > end testConnection > > > I see a lot of "macho" solutions but I never understood, at least in our > context (wanting to be sure our users can access our servers) why there > is any need for more than this. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From geradamas at yahoo.com Sat Dec 1 09:35:55 2007 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:35:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO Message-ID: <451073.40872.qm@web37501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Andre Garzia wrote: "bad bad apple." Yes, they are bad; but better than Microsoft. It is an awful pity that the computing world is dominated by only 2 platforms. However, Jahshaka is well worth a look { for video-editing } http://www.jahshaka.org/ and it has good price label! Have a look before you go all irrationally phobic towards open source software. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! - the World's favourite mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com From andre at andregarzia.com Sat Dec 1 11:35:58 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:35:58 -0200 Subject: OT: rant about trees and pubic hair... (was Re: Welcome to Scotland) Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712010835q4bc0633o2e37d3ceeeda030c@mail.gmail.com> on that one, I think pubic hair is wining... for example, yesterday, while driving to the mall, I was handled a pamphlet with a discount coupon for "removing my pubic hair", the pamphlet had a table of body parts and prices and I noticed that the only missing body part in that table was the sole of my feet... As for the jungles, we still have some as big as some european countries... now, while living in a desert might seem frightening, at least you can see two meters from you (except on sand storms). Now think yourself in a jungle, a real one, where trees are everywhere and you really don't notice things like insects, spiders (which are specially big here), monkeys, snakes, indians (yes, they are invisible in the jungle, you just notice them if they want you to notice them, and yes, there's still indian tribes in here that *never* met our culture - or lack of culture -). Anyway, there's still jungles here in south america and on asia too. And I'd take the desert before going to the jungle. And I'd rather see all pubic hair extinct before seeing more trees go off. On a side note, I am really angry with the "sindico" (does that word exist in english, it's the person we elect in our community to manage our villa, no ties to anything, pretty informal). The silly woman is an architect fond of concrete. 20 years ago, me and other very young kids planted a mango tree. Some mango trees take forever to fruit and ours was fruiting now for the first time. The sindica (female form of sindico) chopped the tree to make more space in the parking lot that nobody uses. We also had a ancient palm tree in the middle of the road. It stood there, all tall, we call those trees the imperial palms for they were a symbol of Brazilian Empire (yes, we were once an empire and a united kingdom together with portugal and algarve). Imperial Palm Trees are really beautiful and tall and ours stood in the middle of the street, cars needed to dodge it and in 25 years I live here, no one ever crashed in it. Cars don't go more than 20 kph here inside the villa. The sindica also choped the tree saying it was in the middle of the road... well, it been there for more than 25 years (it was already big when I arrived) and now it is gone... So our forest and trees are going down, people here don't seem to value nature and are ready to bring down everything to build more houses, buildings, all in the name of progress. Some years ago, I'd always see monkeys on the trees near my house, sometimes even inside the house, now, I am happy when I see birds... anyway... should we go to "Brazil, the greatest of the somewhat jungle infested, wax happy, tree choppers country in the world"? On 12/1/07, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Dec 1, 2007 9:35 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > > > What about "Brazil, the best really big jungle infested country in the > > world!" :D > > > > Welcome to Brazil > Where jungle & pubic hair are competing for extinction > > ;-) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From rcozens at pon.net Sat Dec 1 13:55:42 2007 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 10:55:42 -0800 Subject: OT: rant about trees and pubic hair... (was Re: Welcome to Scotland) In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10712010835q4bc0633o2e37d3ceeeda030c@mail.gmail.com > References: <7c87a2a10712010835q4bc0633o2e37d3ceeeda030c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Andre, et al, >So our forest and trees are going down, people here don't seem to >value nature and are ready to bring down everything to build more >houses, buildings, all in the name of progress. I am among a fortunate minority of Americans who live in closer day-to-day contact with nature than mankind. My residence cannot be seen from the road, and overlooks several hundred acres of undeveloped (but sustainably logged) coastal hills. In the 15 years or so before moving here I rented on two 300+ acre ranches where no other residence was visible from any window in my house. Much of my understanding of life is based on lessons learned observing animals interacting in the wild...and interacting with them. And so I have wondered for decades how those lessons and understandings are attained by people growing up in large metropolitan areas, insulated from such observations and interactions. My personal conclusion is those understandings of our dependence on nature and each other have been lost to the propaganda promoting "economic development". resulting in a society dominated by sociopathic money addicts. Andre, yours is one of growing examples that money addiction is now afflicting populations living close enough to nature to know better. The "benefits" of economic development were dramatically illustrated in a (LINK TV?) television documentary about the homecoming journey of several families from New Zealand to their native island home (Tuvi?, Tuval?) to show their children their roots. When those on the homecoming journey had left the island 20+ years previously, it was a typical south sea fishing community. In the intervening years, the island nation had been assigned the Internet extension ".tv" and subsequently sold their rights to ".tv" to a group of private investors for BIG $. Today, no one on the island fishes for a living: they spend their time waiting for the royalty checks and supply ships to arrive. Much previously open space on the island is now littered with the packing material and trash from imported goods--but of course that won't be a problem for long, because the rising sea levels that accompany our economic "development" may have the entire nation under water in a few decades. The night before the return trip to New Zealand, locals and returnees got together in the village lodge to sing and dance in traditional island style. Then the kids turned on a CD player and "danced" to rap music. One didn't have to look too long at the elders' expressions to know exactly how they felt about what money addiction had done to their culture. Money addicts promote "private enterprise" but really mean privatizing profits while socializing as many costs as possible. Exxon has yet to pay a dime for the environmental damage done in Prince William Sound over two decades ago; Chevron & other oil platform owners have been dragging their feet and orchestrating end run tactics to avoid completely removing decommissioned oil platforms from the Santa Barbara Channel for 12 years. And have you seen pictures of the environmental mess in the Ecuadorian rain forest left by Texaco...who employed drilling techniques that were illegal elsewhere? Herbert Hoover once said, "There's nothing wrong with Capitalism except Capitalists: they're too damn greedy!" If the issue were simply human greed, society would have a much easier time dealing with it But we are facing an addiction stronger than those associated with heroin or cocaine. Climate change and other elements of environmental degradation, auto makers' unwillingness to promote increased fuel efficiency, mass marketing of unsafe or poisonous toys are just a few examples of the effects of money addiction. It exists in every "private" company that receives government subsidies or tariff protection and/or works to socialize the environmental costs of its operation. This addiction may have already damaged the environment irrevocably. If not, it certainly will do so if left unchecked. Rob Cozens "The way to destroy the power of the Corporate State is to live differently now." -- Charles Reich, The Greening of America From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat Dec 1 18:59:38 2007 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 15:59:38 -0800 Subject: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10712010601w685c4a26lf231f3c0744b14a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <7aa52a210711302149s45dd376em9921971093730067@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a10712010601w685c4a26lf231f3c0744b14a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <02f801c83476$3c14a3b0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> > I also went lost on that road before. I found that RealPlayer > support for SMIL is better than apple, so people wanting to > really use SMIL can move to RP or use a Flash Media Player, > many support some SMIL. I had the chance to meet with the Quicktime product manager at a recent Apple Event. Mostly QT was discussed in terms of the iPhone, but SMIL seems to be on nobody's list at Apple. Also, don't think to play back QTVRs on the iPhone either. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com Visit Mirye - http://www.mirye.com North American Publisher of Runtime Revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Sat Dec 1 17:07:20 2007 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:07:20 -0800 Subject: Testing if there is an Internet Connection In-Reply-To: <6DF4E241-6044-4B30-A66F-BA52549B2D4A@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <6DF4E241-6044-4B30-A66F-BA52549B2D4A@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <631118750.20071201140720@ahsoftware.net> Eric- Friday, November 30, 2007, 10:07:00 AM, you wrote: > This has been discussed many times on this list: check the archives > and you'll find many posts with many solutions depending on possible > firewalls and many other things. But my favorite is answer "Are you connected to the internet?" with yes and no -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From andre at andregarzia.com Sat Dec 1 21:38:05 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 00:38:05 -0200 Subject: Testing if there is an Internet Connection In-Reply-To: <631118750.20071201140720@ahsoftware.net> References: <6DF4E241-6044-4B30-A66F-BA52549B2D4A@sosmartsoftware.com> <631118750.20071201140720@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712011838p34264d3dr9e18f6784f180e6b@mail.gmail.com> Mark, you made my day! :-D Now I want Rev to have the following options: do as appleScript do as vbScript do as I told you :-D On 12/1/07, Mark Wieder wrote: > Eric- > > Friday, November 30, 2007, 10:07:00 AM, you wrote: > > > This has been discussed many times on this list: check the archives > > and you'll find many posts with many solutions depending on possible > > firewalls and many other things. > > But my favorite is > > answer "Are you connected to the internet?" with yes and no > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From chipp at chipp.com Sun Dec 2 02:03:05 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 01:03:05 -0600 Subject: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO In-Reply-To: <02f801c83476$3c14a3b0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> References: <7aa52a210711302149s45dd376em9921971093730067@mail.gmail.com> <7c87a2a10712010601w685c4a26lf231f3c0744b14a1@mail.gmail.com> <02f801c83476$3c14a3b0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712012303g14f12452hcf07d4a6b77ebf5@mail.gmail.com> It's also very sad that Apple QT can't export plain ole .mpg files. For some reason they won't license the code for the most used and prevalent video codec on the planet. Another case of Apple making all the rules. Bummer. -Chipp From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 02:10:48 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:10:48 +1000 Subject: Testing if there is an Internet Connection In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10712011838p34264d3dr9e18f6784f180e6b@mail.gmail.com> References: <6DF4E241-6044-4B30-A66F-BA52549B2D4A@sosmartsoftware.com> <631118750.20071201140720@ahsoftware.net> <7c87a2a10712011838p34264d3dr9e18f6784f180e6b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > Now I want Rev to have the following options: > > do as appleScript > do as vbScript > do as I told you No, sorry Andre. That 3rd option should be "do what I meant", not "do what I told you" :-) Sarah From revdev at pdslabs.net Sun Dec 2 03:50:37 2007 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 00:50:37 -0800 Subject: access to Mac media browser? Message-ID: <475271DD.2090802@pdslabs.net> I notice that several Mac apps seem to use the same Media Browser thing to display all your iPhoto assets, for example. Does anyone know for sure: 1) that there is such a 'utility' available for apps to use, and 2) how to access it from within Revolution, and 3) if a Rev app could interact with it anyway? Thanks in advance - Phil Davis From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sun Dec 2 04:13:40 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:13:40 +0000 Subject: access to Mac media browser? In-Reply-To: <475271DD.2090802@pdslabs.net> References: <475271DD.2090802@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <92B6B43B-19C8-4DB5-88A1-C4905274B282@azurevision.co.uk> This might get you started: http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060429075843216 with the following tweaks: 1. Save the Automator action as an app, then put it into you app package. 2. Launch the app to bring up the browser. 3. Have a drop area in your Rev app to receive the filepaths of the items dragged on to it. Ian On 2 Dec 2007, at 08:50, Phil Davis wrote: > I notice that several Mac apps seem to use the same Media Browser > thing to display all your iPhoto assets, for example. Does anyone > know for sure: > 1) that there is such a 'utility' available for apps to use, and > 2) how to access it from within Revolution, and > 3) if a Rev app could interact with it anyway? > > Thanks in advance - > Phil Davis > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From toncardona at mac.com Sun Dec 2 05:24:38 2007 From: toncardona at mac.com (Ton Cardona) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:24:38 +0100 Subject: Accents etc. Message-ID: I try the following: ask "?Cu?l?" and I get: jCu3l? What is wrong? Thanks Ton cardona From andre at andregarzia.com Sun Dec 2 10:36:04 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 13:36:04 -0200 Subject: Accents etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712020736k991c40fu4149da635e01efac@mail.gmail.com> Ton, I just tried in here in Mac OS X 10.4 with Rev 2.8.1 and it works for me. This is probably related to character encoding. Can you tell us what OS and Rev version you're using? Andre On 12/2/07, Ton Cardona wrote: > I try the following: > > ask "?Cu?l?" > > and I get: > > jCu3l? > > What is wrong? > > Thanks > > Ton cardona_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From rcozens at pon.net Sun Dec 2 12:43:12 2007 From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:43:12 -0800 Subject: OT: rant about trees and pubic hair... (was Re: Welcome to Scotland) Message-ID: Moi: >The "benefits" of economic development were dramatically illustrated >in a (LINK TV?) television documentary about the homecoming journey >of several families from New Zealand to their native island home >(Tuvi?, Tuval?) to show their children their roots. I found this in my Quotes folder: >"[T]he international community would require us to prove to them >that the climate change is adversely affecting us and what impacts >it might have on our economics and what steps can be taken by us >before they might consider to act. This is arrogance at its >worst.... We are where we are because of the excessive consumption >needs and greed of the developed and more powerful countries. They, >the developed countries, must accept their responsibility and take >the consequences of their actions on others more seriously." > > -- Bikenibeu Paeniu, Prime Minister of the atoll nation of Tuvalu, 1998 Could the island in the documentary be Tuvalu? If so, I find the reference to "excessive consumption" to be quite ironic...and strong testimony to the power of money addiction. Rob Cozens, Staff Conservator Mendonoma Marine Life Conservancy "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three; Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee." from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631) From toncardona at mac.com Sun Dec 2 13:14:37 2007 From: toncardona at mac.com (Ton Cardona) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 19:14:37 +0100 Subject: accents etc Message-ID: <1640C616-F01A-4D6B-8301-F902B4BCD60B@mac.com> I am using Mac OS X 10.4.11 and a newly acquired Studio rev. Thanks Ton From katir at hindu.org Sun Dec 2 15:02:30 2007 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 10:02:30 -1000 Subject: OT (Way! off topic) repurpose print pages Message-ID: <47530F56.6070704@hindu.org> We are looking to outsource some old fashioned "ink on paper" page layout repurposing - prepress work. Job: take existing Indesign CS3 files and images (or pdfs) for the print edition of Hinduism Today and "reflow" these into a new page design. There is not a lot of "creative" in this job basically you are getting from one magazines' rectangular dimension to another with the page furniture somewhat different in the target publication. It's a matter of refitting, applying new styles to match the target publications font universe etc. contact me off list: katir at hindu.org, if you have a phone number, give me that and a time to call you. We are looking for a service and a price, by Dec 10th. Where you live is not an issue, if you also have graphci design skills, that may come into play later.. Aloha Sivakatirswami From andre at andregarzia.com Sun Dec 2 15:04:56 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 18:04:56 -0200 Subject: accents etc In-Reply-To: <1640C616-F01A-4D6B-8301-F902B4BCD60B@mac.com> References: <1640C616-F01A-4D6B-8301-F902B4BCD60B@mac.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712021204h53c86597y78548c1f44722b72@mail.gmail.com> Strange, we're using the same system specs... Ton, try this, put a field in your stack and type ?Cu?l? in the field, try a command like: asf field "my field" see if this works... if it does not, try a simple ASCII word like "test" inside the field. andre On 12/2/07, Ton Cardona wrote: > I am using Mac OS X 10.4.11 and a newly acquired Studio rev. > > Thanks > > Ton > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From probinson244 at btinternet.com Sun Dec 2 15:42:24 2007 From: probinson244 at btinternet.com (Paul Robinson) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 20:42:24 -0000 Subject: freezing comp problem Message-ID: <000901c83523$d96f0bc0$4001a8c0@pc10> Hi when I try to save my ap. as standalone the system freezes at the stage where it says updating database drivers then it wont go any further. I have created standalones in the past no problem. Can anyone tell me why this prob may be occuring? Am I missing drivers possibly ? Many thanks Paul UK From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sun Dec 2 16:03:32 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:03:32 +0000 Subject: freezing comp problem In-Reply-To: <000901c83523$d96f0bc0$4001a8c0@pc10> References: <000901c83523$d96f0bc0$4001a8c0@pc10> Message-ID: What version of Rev? What OS? Which database drivers are you using? etc. Ian On 2 Dec 2007, at 20:42, Paul Robinson wrote: > Hi when I try to save my ap. as standalone the system freezes at the > stage > where it says updating database drivers then it wont go any > further. I > have created standalones in the past no problem. Can anyone tell me > why this > prob may be occuring? > > Am I missing drivers possibly ? > > Many thanks > Paul > UK > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pmbrig at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 17:10:48 2007 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 17:10:48 -0500 Subject: Testing if there is an Internet Connection Message-ID: >> Now I want Rev to have the following options: >> >> do as appleScript >> do as vbScript >> do as I told you >> > > No, sorry Andre. That 3rd option should be "do what I meant", not "do > what I told you" :-) > > Sarah I hate this damn computer -- I wish that I could sell it. It never does what I want it to, Only what I tell it. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ -- Just wondering... if you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done? From revdev at pdslabs.net Sun Dec 2 18:40:18 2007 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 15:40:18 -0800 Subject: access to Mac media browser? In-Reply-To: <92B6B43B-19C8-4DB5-88A1-C4905274B282@azurevision.co.uk> References: <475271DD.2090802@pdslabs.net> <92B6B43B-19C8-4DB5-88A1-C4905274B282@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <47534262.8000300@pdslabs.net> Thanks Ian! I'll give it a try. Phil Ian Wood wrote: > This might get you started: > http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060429075843216 > > with the following tweaks: > 1. Save the Automator action as an app, then put it into you app package. > 2. Launch the app to bring up the browser. > 3. Have a drop area in your Rev app to receive the filepaths of the > items dragged on to it. > > Ian > > On 2 Dec 2007, at 08:50, Phil Davis wrote: > >> I notice that several Mac apps seem to use the same Media Browser >> thing to display all your iPhoto assets, for example. Does anyone >> know for sure: >> 1) that there is such a 'utility' available for apps to use, and >> 2) how to access it from within Revolution, and >> 3) if a Rev app could interact with it anyway? >> >> Thanks in advance - >> Phil Davis > From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sun Dec 2 22:38:49 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:38:49 +0800 Subject: OT: rant about trees and pubic hair... (was Re: Welcome to Scotland) In-Reply-To: References: <7c87a2a10712010835q4bc0633o2e37d3ceeeda030c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 2, 2007 2:55 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: > Andre, yours is one of growing examples that money addiction is now > afflicting populations living close enough to nature to know > better. The "benefits" of economic development were dramatically > illustrated in a (LINK TV?) television documentary about the > homecoming journey of several families from New Zealand to their > native island home (Tuvi?, Tuval?) to show their children their roots. > > Money addicts promote "private enterprise" but really mean > privatizing profits while socializing as many costs as > possible. Exxon has yet to pay a dime for the environmental damage > done in Prince William Sound over two decades ago; Chevron & other > oil platform owners have been dragging their feet and orchestrating > end run tactics to avoid completely removing decommissioned oil > platforms from the Santa Barbara Channel for 12 years. And have you > seen pictures of the environmental mess in the Ecuadorian rain forest > left by Texaco...who employed drilling techniques that were illegal > elsewhere? > I read this yesterday and swore I wasn't going to respond, it just makes me.... not angry, I just can't understand how people can think this way - they would sue the pants off anyone who fouled their own backyard but are quite happy to go and destroy the backyards of others. [getting up on soap box] My personal pet peeve is 'globalization' and whilst I'm not an emotional South Korean farmer, I do think the WTO has a lot to answer for. I just don't understand how the Baby Bommers, who were so blessed by a generation of people who 'fought for the American/Western way of life', can then go and send jobs offshore to 'cheaper labour'. What they're really doing is not buying cheaper labour, but avoiding all cost associated with upholding their own 'way of life'. I'm sure any CEO who's son or daughter came home and said, 'hey Dad I just got a job at So & Co, I'll be working 12 to 18 hr shifts, 7 days a week, 365 days a year. If I want to take time off I can apply but it's unpaid leave. I'll be working with lead based paints and DDT. If I want any Environmental Safety Equipment I need to provide it myself but none of the other hundreds of workers bother. There's no medical or pension scheme, but they do provide meals. If I'm sick I don't get paid for days missed. I'll get paid subsistance wages of which the boss will withold 65% for the meals provided. There's lots of other kids working there as well, some as young as 13.' I'm sure Western CEO Daddy would soon have a lawyer onto the case because no one is going to treat his child like that, but CEO is quite happy to actually take a job opportunity away and make some other poor underprivileged soul do it. I'm not wise enough to know the answer, because there is undoubtedly A LOT of benifit associated with the richer nations puring bucket loads of money into poorer nations, but I feel that some day Generation My ( I think it goes Baby Boomers, Generation X, Generation Y, Generation My) is going to wake up and wonder 'who sold the farm'? They'll look back and see the trillions of dollars Industry sent to offshore workers and realise that whilst they may have Won the War, they failed to protect their Way of Life. PS. I appreciate that the 'way of life' originally fought for is not the one we must live in the future due to environmental change, and other factors. But, paradoxically, it is precisely as some of us want 'greener' work places and sustainable industry/development that we become more expensive which effectively causes the 'money addicted' to look for cheaper $ alternatives regardless of the 'real' cost. [I'll now get off my soap box] From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun Dec 2 23:01:53 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:01:53 -0800 Subject: OT: rant about trees and pubic hair... (was Re: Welcome to Scotland) Message-ID: <47537FB1.2000203@fourthworld.com> Andre wrote: > So our forest and trees are going down, people here don't seem to > value nature and are ready to bring down everything to build more > houses, buildings, all in the name of progress. ...exacerbating what at least one researcher called Nature Deficit Disorder: Intro: Interview: In the news: -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com Mon Dec 3 00:27:09 2007 From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry) Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 21:27:09 -0800 Subject: OT: rant about trees and pubic hair... (was Re: Welcome to Scotland) In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10712010835q4bc0633o2e37d3ceeeda030c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a10712010835q4bc0633o2e37d3ceeeda030c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4be051070712022127r13849263qb733c9562d919146@mail.gmail.com> Andre, I have never known nature such as yours... and that is a pity. My rear yard, such as it is, is probably smaller than most people's living rooms (and, concomittably, my house is probably smaller than most)... but I've found that my children, who will be 7 in March, really do love being able to pull their own carrots from our soil, pick and shell their own peas, pick their own berries (blueberries, blackberries, strawberries and raspberries) as well as watch my pick herbs for cooking dinner. Sorry, don't know what the answer is... just am hoping that it is partially realized by helping teach an appreciation for whatever environment one can muster. minus the pubic hair, of course. Judy On Dec 1, 2007 8:35 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > on that one, I think pubic hair is wining... for example, yesterday, > while driving to the mall, I was handled a pamphlet with a discount > coupon for "removing my pubic hair", the pamphlet had a table of body > parts and prices and I noticed that the only missing body part in that > table was the sole of my feet... > > As for the jungles, we still have some as big as some european > countries... now, while living in a desert might seem frightening, at > least you can see two meters from you (except on sand storms). Now > think yourself in a jungle, a real one, where trees are everywhere and > you really don't notice things like insects, spiders (which are > specially big here), monkeys, snakes, indians (yes, they are invisible > in the jungle, you just notice them if they want you to notice them, > and yes, there's still indian tribes in here that *never* met our > culture - or lack of culture -). Anyway, there's still jungles here > in south america and on asia too. And I'd take the desert before going > to the jungle. And I'd rather see all pubic hair extinct before seeing > more trees go off. > > On a side note, I am really angry with the "sindico" (does that word > exist in english, it's the person we elect in our community to manage > our villa, no ties to anything, pretty informal). The silly woman is > an architect fond of concrete. 20 years ago, me and other very young > kids planted a mango tree. Some mango trees take forever to fruit and > ours was fruiting now for the first time. The sindica (female form of > sindico) chopped the tree to make more space in the parking lot that > nobody uses. We also had a ancient palm tree in the middle of the > road. It stood there, all tall, we call those trees the imperial palms > for they were a symbol of Brazilian Empire (yes, we were once an > empire and a united kingdom together with portugal and algarve). > Imperial Palm Trees are really beautiful and tall and ours stood in > the middle of the street, cars needed to dodge it and in 25 years I > live here, no one ever crashed in it. Cars don't go more than 20 kph > here inside the villa. The sindica also choped the tree saying it was > in the middle of the road... well, it been there for more than 25 > years (it was already big when I arrived) and now it is gone... > > So our forest and trees are going down, people here don't seem to > value nature and are ready to bring down everything to build more > houses, buildings, all in the name of progress. Some years ago, I'd > always see monkeys on the trees near my house, sometimes even inside > the house, now, I am happy when I see birds... > > anyway... should we go to "Brazil, the greatest of the somewhat jungle > infested, wax happy, tree choppers country in the world"? > > > > > > > > On 12/1/07, Kay C Lan wrote: > > On Dec 1, 2007 9:35 AM, Andre Garzia wrote: > > > > > What about "Brazil, the best really big jungle infested country in the > > > world!" :D > > > > > > > Welcome to Brazil > > Where jungle & pubic hair are competing for extinction > > > > ;-) > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > -- > http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From paolo.mazza at neol.it Mon Dec 3 07:20:39 2007 From: paolo.mazza at neol.it (paolo mazza) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 13:20:39 +0100 Subject: Setting paths to Externals in revolution In-Reply-To: <4750DCBC.8090407@hindu.org> References: <47479B19.9020305@hindu.org> <4750DCBC.8090407@hindu.org> Message-ID: Dear Revs, as you know if I select new externals from the Rev Inspector, Revolution gets the absolute path... so if I move the application to another computer it will not work . The standalone application needs a relative path for the externals. Referring to the solution presented by Trevor Devore and Ken Ray at the page: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ext003.htm I tryed a simpler solution. The following script (ONLY FOR MACOSX) will upload all the externals placed in the Externals folder of the bundle standalone application. As far as I know it works fine . Why I have to create a stack "myExternals" ? Am I going to face some problems using this simple script at sturtUp of the application? Best regards, Paolo Mazza local NAMEAPP,LISTEXTERNALS on startup put empty into LISTEXTERNALS if the environment is not "development" then put the effective filename of this stack into INDIRIZZO set itemdelimiter to "/" put last item of INDIRIZZO into NAMEAPP --- get the names of the external placed in the externafolder of the standalone put the defaultfolder into FOLDER1 put the defaultfolder & "/" & NAMEAPP & ".app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/" into NOMECARTELLA put NOMECARTELLA into field "cartella" set the defaultfolder to NOMECARTELLA put the folders into LISTAFILES filter LISTAFILES without "[.]*" set the defaultfolder to FOLDER1 repeat for each line NAMEXTERNAL in LISTAFILES UPLOADEXT NAMEXTERNAL end repeat set the externals of this stack to LISTEXTERNALS end if end startup on UPLOADEXT NAMEXTERNAL put NAMEAPP & ".app/Contents/MacOS/Externals/" & NAMEXTERNAL & return after LISTEXTERNALS end UPLOADEXT ****************************************** Paolo Mazza NEOL SRL Societ? partecipata da Universit? di Padova via N. Tommaseo 84 35131 - Padova (Italy) Tel 049- 2050147 - Fax 049-7964386 www.neol.it From klaus at major-k.de Mon Dec 3 07:54:09 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:54:09 +0100 Subject: Setting paths to Externals in revolution In-Reply-To: References: <47479B19.9020305@hindu.org> <4750DCBC.8090407@hindu.org> Message-ID: <085A5B63-8BEF-49B9-AEF2-1B83FE46BDD2@major-k.de> Buongiorno Paolo. > Dear Revs, > as you know if I select new externals from the Rev Inspector, > Revolution > gets the absolute path... so if I move the application to another > computer > it will not work . The standalone application needs a relative > path for > the externals. > > Referring to the solution presented by Trevor Devore and Ken Ray > at the > page: > > http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/ext003.htm > > I tryed a simpler solution. The following script (ONLY FOR MACOSX) > will > upload all the externals placed in the Externals folder of the bundle > standalone application. As far as I know it works fine . Why I > have to > create a stack "myExternals" ? Am I going to face some problems using > this simple script at sturtUp of the application? > > Best regards, Paolo Mazza > > local NAMEAPP,LISTEXTERNALS > > on startup > ... if you set the external "on startup" then the trick with the extra stack is NOT necessary! I always set my external dynamically "on startup" and never had problems. The extra stack "myexternals" is necessary when you want to set externals AFTER the app has already started for whatever reasons. Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From christian.langers at education.lu Mon Dec 3 09:50:25 2007 From: christian.langers at education.lu (Christian Langers) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 15:50:25 +0100 Subject: access to Mac media browser? In-Reply-To: <47534262.8000300@pdslabs.net> References: <475271DD.2090802@pdslabs.net> <92B6B43B-19C8-4DB5-88A1-C4905274B282@azurevision.co.uk> <47534262.8000300@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <7119C2B4-70FB-4527-8D25-D1E6761FC90A@education.lu> Hi Phil, look into the revOnline Browser, Category : Utilities ; I wrote some time ago such a stack which would do what you want ; it is named "iPhoto_iTunes lib Palettes" Modify it to your convenience... Christian Le 3 d?c. 07 ? 00:40, Phil Davis a ?crit : > Thanks Ian! I'll give it a try. > Phil > > > Ian Wood wrote: >> This might get you started: >> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060429075843216 >> >> with the following tweaks: >> 1. Save the Automator action as an app, then put it into you app >> package. >> 2. Launch the app to bring up the browser. >> 3. Have a drop area in your Rev app to receive the filepaths of the >> items dragged on to it. >> >> Ian >> >> On 2 Dec 2007, at 08:50, Phil Davis wrote: >> >>> I notice that several Mac apps seem to use the same Media Browser >>> thing to display all your iPhoto assets, for example. Does anyone >>> know for sure: >>> 1) that there is such a 'utility' available for apps to use, and >>> 2) how to access it from within Revolution, and >>> 3) if a Rev app could interact with it anyway? >>> >>> Thanks in advance - >>> Phil Davis >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From niggemann at uni-wh.de Mon Dec 3 10:03:45 2007 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 07:03:45 -0800 (PST) Subject: Any suggestions on how to "onion skinning"? In-Reply-To: <20071128144130521145.5306796e@sonsothunder.com> References: <20071128121728310229.671d0569@sonsothunder.com> <20071128144130521145.5306796e@sonsothunder.com> Message-ID: <14131598.post@talk.nabble.com> Ken, if you are on MacOSX system > = 10.4 and you just want the image to be grayscale then you can try an applescript for colorsyncscripting. it is a lot faster than Revolution. It takes Revolution from "set the imagedata of image x to y" for a 640x480 on a MacBook Pro 2.3 about 280 Milliseconds to display the image. So whatever you do you have this overhead. Doing a chartonum 900.000 times doesnt help either. On the other hand revolution is quite fast in loading a image file and displaying it. here is a recipe: make a new stack with an image, call it "i1", make a field call it "f1", make a button put the following applescript into the field f1: -- thisFile is provided by user in revolution -- thisFileNewName is provided by user in revolution set thisFile to thisFile as alias set sourceProf to POSIX file "/System/Library/ColorSync/Profiles/Generic RGB Profile.icc" set destProf to POSIX file "/System/Library/ColorSync/Profiles/Generic Gray Profile.icc" tell application "ColorSyncScripting" launch try -- you can specify where to save the image in revolution by setting the variable for thisFileNewName match thisFile from source (sourceProf) to destination (destProf) saving into file thisFileNewName with replacing on error errmsg activate display dialog errmsg end try set quit delay to 5 end tell -- end of the applescript set the script of the button to: on mouseUp -- make shure we are on MacOS X and system version >= 10.4 -- because of ColorSyncScripting if platform () <> "MacOs" then answer "works only on Macs because of Applescript" exit mouseUp get systemversion () if word 1 of it < 10 and word 2 of it < 4 then answer "MacOs X version => 10.4 required" exit mouseUp end if end if put the millisec into theStart put the filename of image 1 into theFilename if theFilename is "" then exit mouseUp -- in MacOS X 10.5.1 and Revolution 2.8.1 the filename of the image, if you chose the image in the inspector -- is something like "./../../../Desktop/nameOfTheFile.jpg", "./../../../" confuses revMacFromUnixPath -- so we try to make a viable filename using specialforderpath if theFilename contains ".." then set the itemdelimiter to "/" repeat with i = the number of items of theFilename down to 1 if item i of theFilename is "." or item i of theFilename is ".." then delete item i of theFilename end repeat put specialfolderpath(cusr) into pathToUser put pathToUser & "/" & theFilename into theFilename end if -- now make a name for a new file which will contain the grayscale picture in the same place where -- the original file is, just append " 01" to the file name set the itemdelimiter to "." put theFilename into thisFileNewName put " 01" after item -2 of thisFileNewName -- convert rev-style path to macintosh path put revMacFromUnixPath (theFilename) into theMacFileName put revMacFromUnixPath (thisFileNewName) into theMacFileNewName -- now build the applescript command put "set thisFile to " & quote & theMacFileName & quote & return into tVarForApplescript put "set thisFileNewName to " & quote & theMacFileNewName & quote & return after tVarForApplescript put field "f1" after tVarForApplescript do tVarForApplescript as Applescript if the result <> "" then answer the result set the filename of image 1 to thisFileNewName put the millisec - theStart into msg end mouseUp -------------- in the inspector choose a color jpeg file for the image "i1" then click the button if all works as expected the applescript generates a greyscale file from the original jpeg file in the folder of the original and opens it in the image "i1" if you do the conversion on a grayscale file the resulting file will be broken to avoid all the confusion with setting the filename of the image i1 from the inspector in Leopard you may want to make a button with answer file to set the filename of image i1 I filed a bug report for the filename problem in Leopard ColorSyncScripting.app is on every mac from 10.4.0 on as far as I know. Ken Ray wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 20:19:27 +0000, Ian Wood wrote: > >>>> I'm working on a program with my son that does simple card-based >>>> animation, but one of the things he asked how to do in Rev stumped me, >>>> and that is doing an "onion skin" >>> >>> I would try overlaying a translucent screen capture of the prev or next >>> card. >> >> Agreed. Or do it by taking a snapshot directly from the card - this >> should work even if it's not the frontmost card. > > The problem with those is that if the card has color in it, the > translucency is also in color. I was hoping to keep it in > grayscale/gray. > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Any-suggestions-on-how-to-%22onion-skinning%22--tf4892376.html#a14131598 Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Mon Dec 3 10:16:40 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:16:40 -0500 Subject: Setting paths to Externals in revolution In-Reply-To: References: <47479B19.9020305@hindu.org> <4750DCBC.8090407@hindu.org> Message-ID: <5D3ABDB4-4FBD-428D-AAEF-3D88A61E9C29@mangomultimedia.com> On Dec 3, 2007, at 7:20 AM, paolo mazza wrote: > I tryed a simpler solution. The following script (ONLY FOR MACOSX) > will > upload all the externals placed in the Externals folder of the bundle > standalone application. As far as I know it works fine . Why I > have to > create a stack "myExternals" ? Am I going to face some problems using > this simple script at sturtUp of the application? Hi Paolo, As Klaus mentioned using startup is perfectly fine for setting externals. I'm providing a few extra specifics about why I use the separate stack method in my work to help clarify when it might be needed. I use a separate stack in memory to load externals in my application framework. When the framework loads an application in the IDE it checks to see what externals Revolution already loaded. It will then load any externals that the application relies upon but which are not yet available. Since the framework cannot rely on a startup message when loading an application inside of the IDE a separate stack of some sort must be used. Some application designs have multiple stack files. In order to make external handlers available to all stacks you must put the stack that loaded the externals into use (start using stack SOME_STACK_WITH_EXTERNALS_SET). Any handlers defined in that stack script will also be put into use and be available to all scripts. Using a separate stack helps keep the externals isolated. I know that loading the externals and putting the stack into use only loads external handlers into the message path, nothing else. Using a separate stack makes it easy to load/unload externals from memory. This might be useful if you update the externals on disk and don't want to quit and relaunch the IDE or the application. Using a separate externals stack is more flexible overall. If you need that sort of flexibility then it is worthwhile to go that route. If you don't then using the startup handler and setting the externals of your main program stack is just fine. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Mon Dec 3 11:41:46 2007 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 17:41:46 +0100 Subject: Any suggestions on how to "onion skinning"? Message-ID: <475431CA.3070708@hrz.uni-kassel.de> On Mon Dec 3, 2007 BNig niggemann at uni-wh.de wrote: > Ken, > > if you are on MacOSX system > = 10.4 and you just want the image to be > grayscale then you can try an applescript for colorsyncscripting. > it is a lot faster than Revolution. It takes Revolution from "set the > imagedata of image x to y" for a 640x480 on a MacBook Pro 2.3 about 280 > Milliseconds to display the image. So whatever you do you have this > overhead. You did not tell us in your post how fast using "applescript for colorsynscripting" actually is? Concerning the occurring "overhead" you mention when you display the changed imagedata from a variable in Revolution, like "set the imagedate of img "x" to changeddata", you have to take into account which paintcompression is set. PNG can be up to ten times slower than RLE. See bug # 5113 "Slower speed of imagedataprocessing with engines >2.6.1 and PNG compression" with the attached test stack. Curiously, this bug is still left as "unconfirmed" although we had a discussion about this on the improve list half a year ago. On my 2 GHz machine to display a 640x480 image from a changed imagedata variable takes 50 milliseconds with the paintcompression set to RLE and 580 when set to PNG. The Revolution engine defaults to RLE, but the Rev IDE changes that to PNG on startup. For fastest imagedata processing use engine 2.6.1 and the Metacard IDE - or set the paintcompression to RLE on openstack. Regards, Wilhelm Sanke From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Mon Dec 3 12:05:00 2007 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 09:05:00 -0800 Subject: Welcome to Scotland References: Message-ID: Dave- > Inquiring minds want to know why you were reading the Daily Record. ...came my way as an off-topic (!) item in Good Morning Silicon Valley, part of my daily morning reading. http://www.svextra.com/blogs/gmsv/ -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From iowahengst at mac.com Mon Dec 3 12:38:39 2007 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 09:38:39 -0800 Subject: Making Progess with Rev Message-ID: <89948E83-0116-1000-F89E-25F373CCA23A-Webmail-10018@mac.com> Hi All, I've been lurking for about a year and a half now on the list -- I've made only a couple attempts at responding to questions. I'd place myself in the "serious hobbyist" category. In other words, I pretty much always have a rev project going. My focus has been making things to help my kids in school. My youngest is in 4th grade and is now studying US states and capitals. I've just posted the southeast puzzle/matching game I made for him to practice that region to my website: http://homepage.mac.com/iowahengst I'd appreciate any thoughts you'd be willing to share. take care, randy ----- From paulgabel at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 13:37:22 2007 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:37:22 -0800 Subject: Decolorizing scripts? Message-ID: <7619226A-D3DA-4ECB-BFDB-4315600372BC@comcast.net> Hello everyone: Do any of you know how to decolorize scripts? "Colorize" is in the Scripts menu, but not the reverse. I searched the docs with the word "color," but found no appropriate command. Sometimes doing a Find inadvertently decolorizes them, but now that I want that to happen it won't. Standalones don't need colorized scripts, that's why I'm asking. Somewhere I read the advice that decolorizing should be done before building a standalone. Paul Gabel From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon Dec 3 13:49:08 2007 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 11:49:08 -0700 Subject: Decolorizing scripts? In-Reply-To: <7619226A-D3DA-4ECB-BFDB-4315600372BC@comcast.net> References: <7619226A-D3DA-4ECB-BFDB-4315600372BC@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Dec 3, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Paul Gabel wrote: > Hello everyone: > > Do any of you know how to decolorize scripts? "Colorize" is in the > Scripts menu, but not the reverse. I searched the docs with the > word "color," but found no appropriate command. Sometimes doing a > Find inadvertently decolorizes them, but now that I want that to > happen it won't. Standalones don't need colorized scripts, that's > why I'm asking. Somewhere I read the advice that decolorizing > should be done before building a standalone. Paul, You can do this by opening the script, selecting all the text, then choosing Text > Color > Use Default Color from the menu. HTH Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From paulgabel at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 13:53:38 2007 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 10:53:38 -0800 Subject: Decolorizing scripts? In-Reply-To: References: <7619226A-D3DA-4ECB-BFDB-4315600372BC@comcast.net> Message-ID: Thanks Devin. I was thinking there must be a universal way to do this, but if not I'll use the method you suggest. Paul Gabel -------------- On Dec 3, 2007, at 10:49 AM, Devin Asay wrote: > On Dec 3, 2007, at 11:37 AM, Paul Gabel wrote: > >> Hello everyone: >> >> Do any of you know how to decolorize scripts? "Colorize" is in the >> Scripts menu, but not the reverse. I searched the docs with the >> word "color," but found no appropriate command. Sometimes doing a >> Find inadvertently decolorizes them, but now that I want that to >> happen it won't. Standalones don't need colorized scripts, that's >> why I'm asking. Somewhere I read the advice that decolorizing >> should be done before building a standalone. > > Paul, > > You can do this by opening the script, selecting all the text, then > choosing Text > Color > Use Default Color from the menu. > > HTH > > Devin > > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Mon Dec 3 14:00:42 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 11:00:42 -0800 Subject: Decolorizing scripts? In-Reply-To: <7619226A-D3DA-4ECB-BFDB-4315600372BC@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 12/3/07 10:37 AM, "Paul Gabel" wrote: > Hello everyone: > > Do any of you know how to decolorize scripts? "Colorize" is in the > Scripts menu, but not the reverse. I searched the docs with the word > "color," but found no appropriate command. Sometimes doing a Find > inadvertently decolorizes them, but now that I want that to happen it > won't. Standalones don't need colorized scripts, that's why I'm > asking. Somewhere I read the advice that decolorizing should be done > before building a standalone. I have not heard about any standalone issues with colorizing. I prefer not to use colorizing Steps you could use 1 turn off colorizing 2 select all in the script editor widow 3 set the text color to black Further changes will not colorize Note: you can set the background color I set my background to a medium gray with black text easier for me to read To do this, open Rev preferences, choose script editor, then enter "gray90" Hope this helps Jim Ault Las Vegas From bvg at mac.com Mon Dec 3 14:02:24 2007 From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:02:24 +0100 Subject: Making Progess with Rev In-Reply-To: <89948E83-0116-1000-F89E-25F373CCA23A-Webmail-10018@mac.com> References: <89948E83-0116-1000-F89E-25F373CCA23A-Webmail-10018@mac.com> Message-ID: I would have liked to try it, but safari sais "failed to decompress". This applies to all downloads from your site, so i guess there's an incompatibility, or a broken zip-app somewhere. sorry Bj?rnke On 3 Dec 2007, at 18:38, Randy Hengst wrote: > ... > I've just posted the southeast puzzle/matching game I made for him > to practice that region to my website: http://homepage.mac.com/iowahengst > > I'd appreciate any thoughts you'd be willing to share. -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev" From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon Dec 3 14:12:34 2007 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 12:12:34 -0700 Subject: Decolorizing scripts? In-Reply-To: References: <7619226A-D3DA-4ECB-BFDB-4315600372BC@comcast.net> Message-ID: <12C2C541-2F3B-4592-AFD4-FFDED44D3273@byu.edu> On Dec 3, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Paul Gabel wrote: > Thanks Devin. I was thinking there must be a universal way to do > this, but if not I'll use the method you suggest. The only "universal" thing I know of that you can do to affect script colorization is the Colorize While Typing box in the Script editor Preferences. But that only affects future typing, not already existing scripts. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Dec 3 14:13:19 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:13:19 +0100 Subject: Making Progess with Rev In-Reply-To: References: <89948E83-0116-1000-F89E-25F373CCA23A-Webmail-10018@mac.com> Message-ID: <079CBE03-B017-479A-AB28-C9B47D9F40E8@economy-x-talk.com> Hi, The zip files contain html code for an error message from Apple's server. Fortunately, if you're on Mac, you can go to the public folder on iowahengst's iDisk. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 3-dec-2007, om 20:02 heeft Bj?rnke von Gierke het volgende geschreven: > I would have liked to try it, but safari sais "failed to > decompress". This applies to all downloads from your site, so i > guess there's an incompatibility, or a broken zip-app somewhere. > > > sorry > Bj?rnke > From R.Beynon at liverpool.ac.uk Mon Dec 3 14:43:50 2007 From: R.Beynon at liverpool.ac.uk (Beynon, Rob) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:43:50 -0000 Subject: Suppressing shell windows Message-ID: <08DA90FD83D9AF40ADC882D28C63C74D9935FB@EVSSTAFF1.livad.liv.ac.uk> Windows XP..Rev 2.8.1 I'm writing frond end software that calls DOS programs using the shell command. I call this DOS program hundreds or thousands of time in a single run, and every time, my XP system throws up a transient command window which slows execution and is messy, to say the least. I tried using "lock screen" but that had no effect.. (actually, I've only ever tried this in interpreted, IDE mode) I'm stuck now, and will gratefully receive all further suggestions.... Thanks Rob ________________________________ Prof R J Beynon[h] Proteomics and Functional Genomics Group Faculty of Veterinary Science University of Liverpool Crown Street, Liverpool L69 7ZJ ________________________________ Phone: +44 151 794 4312 Fax: +44 151 794 4243 Email: r.beynon at liv.ac.uk http://www.liv.ac.uk/pfg ________________________________ This email was sent on Mon, 03 Dec, 2007 at 7:43 PM. From chipp at chipp.com Mon Dec 3 14:45:30 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:45:30 -0600 Subject: Decolorizing scripts? In-Reply-To: <7619226A-D3DA-4ECB-BFDB-4315600372BC@comcast.net> References: <7619226A-D3DA-4ECB-BFDB-4315600372BC@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712031145o6eaf8f0clf695c3f1f666cd3e@mail.gmail.com> The altClean plugin 'decolorizes' scripts and removes all extraneous data (as much as 50% of the stack). It can be found at: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginCover/About.htm best, Chipp On Dec 3, 2007 12:37 PM, Paul Gabel wrote: > Hello everyone: > > Do any of you know how to decolorize scripts? From klaus at major-k.de Mon Dec 3 14:50:23 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:50:23 +0100 Subject: Suppressing shell windows In-Reply-To: <08DA90FD83D9AF40ADC882D28C63C74D9935FB@EVSSTAFF1.livad.liv.ac.uk> References: <08DA90FD83D9AF40ADC882D28C63C74D9935FB@EVSSTAFF1.livad.liv.ac.uk> Message-ID: <2B78A32C-CDA9-49FD-9568-26B1296D7104@major-k.de> Hi Rob, > Windows XP..Rev 2.8.1 > I'm writing frond end software that calls DOS programs using the > shell command. > I call this DOS program hundreds or thousands of time in a single > run, and every time, my XP system throws up a transient command > window which slows execution and is messy, to say the least. > > I tried using "lock screen" but that had no effect.. > (actually, I've only ever tried this in interpreted, IDE mode) > I'm stuck now, and will gratefully receive all further suggestions.... ... set the hideconsolewindows to true ## do your shell stuff... ... Well, that's intuitive, isn't it? :-D > Thanks > > Rob Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Mon Dec 3 14:51:47 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:51:47 +0000 Subject: Suppressing shell windows In-Reply-To: <08DA90FD83D9AF40ADC882D28C63C74D9935FB@EVSSTAFF1.livad.liv.ac.uk> References: <08DA90FD83D9AF40ADC882D28C63C74D9935FB@EVSSTAFF1.livad.liv.ac.uk> Message-ID: <52DE9377-9FAE-4BA7-915A-937FBC3E85B6@azurevision.co.uk> On 3 Dec 2007, at 19:43, Beynon, Rob wrote: > I call this DOS program hundreds or thousands of time in a single > run, and every time, my XP system throws up a transient command > window which slows execution and is messy, to say the least. Try calling: set the hideconsolewindows to true before running the shell script. Ian From revdev at pdslabs.net Mon Dec 3 15:14:56 2007 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 12:14:56 -0800 Subject: access to Mac media browser? In-Reply-To: <7119C2B4-70FB-4527-8D25-D1E6761FC90A@education.lu> References: <475271DD.2090802@pdslabs.net> <92B6B43B-19C8-4DB5-88A1-C4905274B282@azurevision.co.uk> <47534262.8000300@pdslabs.net> <7119C2B4-70FB-4527-8D25-D1E6761FC90A@education.lu> Message-ID: <475463C0.9030004@pdslabs.net> Thanks Christian - your example helps me overcome my ignorance of Automator. Using Ian's tips, I was able to drag images from an iPhoto image picker to my Rev app's "document" (an editable Rev stack), but your example shows how to also make use of the picker's "Choose" button. Thanks! Phil Davis Christian Langers wrote: > Hi Phil, > > look into the revOnline Browser, Category : Utilities ; I wrote some > time ago such a stack which would do what you want ; it is named > "iPhoto_iTunes lib Palettes" > > Modify it to your convenience... > > Christian > > > Le 3 d?c. 07 ? 00:40, Phil Davis a ?crit : > >> Thanks Ian! I'll give it a try. >> Phil >> >> >> Ian Wood wrote: >>> This might get you started: >>> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20060429075843216 >>> >>> with the following tweaks: >>> 1. Save the Automator action as an app, then put it into you app >>> package. >>> 2. Launch the app to bring up the browser. >>> 3. Have a drop area in your Rev app to receive the filepaths of the >>> items dragged on to it. >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> On 2 Dec 2007, at 08:50, Phil Davis wrote: >>> >>>> I notice that several Mac apps seem to use the same Media Browser >>>> thing to display all your iPhoto assets, for example. Does anyone >>>> know for sure: >>>> 1) that there is such a 'utility' available for apps to use, and >>>> 2) how to access it from within Revolution, and >>>> 3) if a Rev app could interact with it anyway? >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance - >>>> Phil Davis >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From niggemann at uni-wh.de Mon Dec 3 16:41:17 2007 From: niggemann at uni-wh.de (BNig) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 13:41:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: Any suggestions on how to "onion skinning"? In-Reply-To: <475431CA.3070708@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <20071128121728310229.671d0569@sonsothunder.com> <475431CA.3070708@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <14139524.post@talk.nabble.com> the timing on a MacBook Pro 2.33 GHz for the scripts is on average 190 Milliseconds for the whole thing, i.e. passing the original file to Colorsyncscripting, creating the grayscale file on disk and reading the file into Revolution and display the image. if you change the applescript so that you keep Colorsyncscripting open instead of closing it as the current script does then the whole thing takes about 90 Milliseconds. This of course if you intend to do multiple conversions. Right now ColorSyncScripting is closed after five seconds, if you set the filename of the image and start the conversion within this time you get the 90 milliseconds as it is. It also helps to put into a startup script that starts ColorSyncScripting during startUp, somehow it "initialises" applescript and revolution and ColorSyncScripting is ready when you do the first conversion. a script like this would do: ------------ on openStack put "tell application " & quote & "ColorSyncScripting" & quote & " to launch" into forASVar do forASVar as applescript if the result is not empty then answer the result end openStack --------------- the timing for the two variants strictly within Revolution to do the same as the applescript variant: Ron Woods: 1080 milliseconds Mark Smith 660 milliseconds ( the binarydecode variant) having set the paintcompression to "RLE" on startup these values change to: Ron Woods: 800 milliseconds Mark Smith 400 milliseconds ( the binarydecode variant) just setting the imagedata with the "RLE" startUp 22 milliseconds !! brilliant all measurements made with the same picture 640 by 480 pixels thank you for pointing me to the RLE and PNG problem, I was not aware of this. I use set imagedata in correcting movies for shifts, this involves 900 to 1200 images/movie of 768 by 576 pixels, and the 400 milliseconds it takes for each image on an iMac 2 GHz definitely add up. the actual taking apart of the image and putting it back together again in Revolution is quite fast (about 60 milliseconds). So I will try to set the paintcompression on openstack. BTW I very much like your stacks on imagemanipulation in Revolution, it is amazing what you do with them Thank you. Bernd Wilhelm Sanke wrote: > > > On Mon Dec 3, 2007 BNig niggemann at uni-wh.de wrote: > >> Ken, >> >> if you are on MacOSX system > = 10.4 and you just want the image to be >> grayscale then you can try an applescript for colorsyncscripting. >> it is a lot faster than Revolution. It takes Revolution from "set the >> imagedata of image x to y" for a 640x480 on a MacBook Pro 2.3 about 280 >> Milliseconds to display the image. So whatever you do you have this >> overhead. > > > You did not tell us in your post how fast using "applescript for > colorsynscripting" actually is? > > Concerning the occurring "overhead" you mention when you display the > changed imagedata from a variable in Revolution, like "set the imagedate > of img "x" to changeddata", you have to take into account which > paintcompression is set. PNG can be up to ten times slower than RLE. > > See bug # 5113 "Slower speed of imagedataprocessing with engines >2.6.1 > and PNG compression" with the attached test stack. Curiously, this bug > is still left as "unconfirmed" although we had a discussion about this > on the improve list half a year ago. > > On my 2 GHz machine to display a 640x480 image from a changed imagedata > variable takes 50 milliseconds with the paintcompression set to RLE and > 580 when set to PNG. > > The Revolution engine defaults to RLE, but the Rev IDE changes that to > PNG on startup. > > For fastest imagedata processing use engine 2.6.1 and the Metacard IDE - > or set the paintcompression to RLE on openstack. > > Regards, > > Wilhelm Sanke > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Any-suggestions-on-how-to-%22onion-skinning%22--tf4892376.html#a14139524 Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Mon Dec 3 17:31:41 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:31:41 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?=5BANN=5D=5BEN=5D=5BFR=5D_Tutorial_n=B023_from_So?= =?iso-8859-1?q?_Smart_Software?= Message-ID: Paris, Monday, December 3, 2007 ---------------------- English version ------------------------- I'm happy to announce that "How to create custom shaped windows", 23st tutorial for Revolution is available: This tutorial shows how to make the most of the windowsShape property. It guides you to create images with semi-transparency and use them as projects backgrounds to build, for instance, a real pro splash-screen. In addition, you'll find custom close boxes for Mac OS X, XP and Vista. If you have downlaoded the Tutorial Watcher plugin, you have been or will be automatically informed at next Rev startup. You will access this tutorial through "Tutorials Picker" a free plugin that interfaces with the So Smart Software website in order to display all available tutorials stacks directly from the web. You will find it by going to http://www.sosmartsoftware.com - Revolution/Plugins or Tutorials section. You may also download directly this tutorial from the website. At the moment, 23 tutorials are available through "Tutorials Picker" or on the website: How to create custom shaped windows How to put Putting in place a stars ranking system How to use PNG images to create custom controls How to master user's data entries in a field How to Monitor a QuickTime Player by Script How to Download Data from the Internet How to Manage Stack Resizing How to Manage Table Fields How to Display and Manage Ask Dialogs How to Display and Manage Answer Dialogs How to Manage Tabbed Buttons How to Ask for a Password How to Manage User's Waiting Time How to Manage Drag and Drop for Files or Folders How to Fix Stack Decorations How to build and Manage Dynamic Menus How to Manage "Snap to" Scrollbars How to Create Contextual Tooltips on-the-fly How to Store Images How to Create and Manage HTML lists How to Install "Metal Appearance" on All Platforms How to Change Card Dimensions Smoothly How to Magnify Images Best regards, Eric Chatonet. --------------------- Version fran?aise ------------------------ J'ai de plaisir d'annoncer la disponibilit? de "Comment cr?er des fen?tres personnalis?es", didacticiel n?23 pour Revolution : Ce didacticiel montre comment tirer le meilleur parti de la propri?t? windowShape. Il vous guide pour cr?er des images semi-tranparentes et pour les utiliser comme fonds de fen?tre pour, par exemple, cr?er un splash- screen vraiment pro. En sus, vous trouverez des cases de fermeture personnalis?es pour Mac OS X, XP et Vista. Si vous avez install? le plugin "Tutorials Watcher", vous le savez d?j? ou serez inform? au prochain d?marrage de Revolution. Pour avoir acc?s ? ce didacticiel, t?l?chargez "Tutorials Picker", un plugin gratuit qui communique directement avec le site de So Smart Software afin d'afficher tous les didacticels disponibles depuis le web dans leur derni?re version. Rendez-vous sur http://www.sosmartsoftware.com - Revolution/Section Plugins ou didacticiels. Vous pouvez ?galement t?l?charger ce didacticiel directement depuis le site. Actuellement, 23 didacticiels sont disponibles ? travers "Tutorials Picker" ou sur le site : Comment cr?er des fen?tres personnalis?es Comment mettre en place un syst?me de classement par ?toiles Comment utiliser les images PNG pour cr?er des contr?les personnalis?s Comment ma?triser les donn?es entr?es par l'utilisateur Comment piloter finement un player QuickTime par script Comment t?l?charger des donn?es depuis internet Comment redimensionner le contenu d'une fen?tre Comment utiliser les champs tables Comment afficher et g?rer les dialogues Ask Comment afficher et g?rer les dialogues Answer Comment g?rer les boutons onglets Comment r?clamer un mot de passe Comment g?rer les attentes utilisateur Comment g?rer le glisser d?poser de dossiers et de fichiers Comment fixer les "d?corations" d'une pile Comment construire et g?rer un menu dynamique Comment g?rer le comportement "magn?tique" d'un scrollbar Comment cr?er ? la vol?e des tooltips contextuels Comment stocker des images dans une pile Comment cr?er et g?rer des listes en HTML Comment installer l'apparence m?tal bross? sur toutes plate-formes Comment changer les dimensions d'une carte avec un effet progressif Comment impl?menter une loupe destin?e ? ne grossir que les images Cordialement, Eric Chatonet. ------------------------------------------------------------------- So Smart Software For institutions, companies and associations Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS and Linux... With the French touch Pour les institutionnels, les entreprises et les associations Des logiciels sur mesure : gestion, multim?dia, internet, etc. Windows, Mac OS et Linux... Avec la "french touch" ------------------------------------------------------------------- Web site http://www.sosmartsoftware.com Email eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Phone 33 (0) 143 317 762 Mobile 33 (0) 620 745 086 ------------------------------------------------------------------- From len-morgan at crcom.net Mon Dec 3 17:44:27 2007 From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 16:44:27 -0600 Subject: Making Progess with Rev In-Reply-To: <89948E83-0116-1000-F89E-25F373CCA23A-Webmail-10018@mac.com> References: <89948E83-0116-1000-F89E-25F373CCA23A-Webmail-10018@mac.com> Message-ID: <475486CB.3090103@crcom.net> Randy, I tried to use the "Send me a message" button on the web site you list but it's not working. So I'll comment here. I liked the program but was probably exceptionally dense at the time. The first state that came up was Kentucky and I could not for the life of me place it correctly. I KNOW where its supposed to go but I was using the "blank" map and thinking it was the whole US so I was putting it in the middle. Well, of course, I was only looking at 1/4 of the US and once I got that through my head, I got it right on the first shot. Perhaps a small map in the upper corner showing the 1/4 I'm working with highlighted would have helped. Maybe an elementary student would have made the mental leap that I couldn't. When I was playing the "Match" game, it didn't occur to me that you were also displaying capitals (I DID know they were cities). It might be nice (and helpful) if you could put a little star next to the name (like you do on the finished map to indicate that it's a capital city. If you really wanted to expand the possibilities with this program as a learning tool, you might be able to use the revBrowser and have a link for each state and capital to a web page or Google search about that state/capital. Thanks for the chance to try this out. I'm going see if my 5th grader does any better than I did. Len Morgan Randy Hengst wrote: > Hi All, > > I've been lurking for about a year and a half now on the list -- I've made only a couple attempts at responding to questions. I'd place myself in the "serious hobbyist" category. In other words, I pretty much always have a rev project going. > > My focus has been making things to help my kids in school. My youngest is in 4th grade and is now studying US states and capitals. I've just posted the southeast puzzle/matching game I made for him to practice that region to my website: http://homepage.mac.com/iowahengst > > I'd appreciate any thoughts you'd be willing to share. > > take care, > randy > ----- > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > From mpease at lawandpolitics.com Mon Dec 3 17:51:55 2007 From: mpease at lawandpolitics.com (Michael) Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 14:51:55 -0800 Subject: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO In-Reply-To: <20071201180004.A9CED488FF5@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi: > Been working on a QuickTime editor recently. It's turning out nicely thanks > to Trevor's fine Enhanced QT external. I'm creating it for WinXP and Vista. WinXP or Vista - Mac = BAD COMBO > I decided to go ahead and use SMIL, one of those oft-touted but apparently > seldom used XML standards, to do the QT preview compiles. In my opinion, SMIL isn't all that useful by itself. If you want editing features, try using Quicktime reference movie files. They are incredibly useful. > In anycase, I would recommend staying away from SMIL use I agree. SMIL isn't that useful for anything other than simply playing a sequence of files in a specified order. QT reference movie files are much more useful. m From mark at maseurope.net Mon Dec 3 18:49:37 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 23:49:37 +0000 Subject: Any suggestions on how to "onion skinning"? In-Reply-To: <14139524.post@talk.nabble.com> References: <20071128121728310229.671d0569@sonsothunder.com> <475431CA.3070708@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <14139524.post@talk.nabble.com> Message-ID: <664A1D41-C8EE-4A87-844F-8B2AC0E69065@maseurope.net> I must rather shamefacedly admit that my seemingly clever 'binaryDecode' method is actually just extracting the red channel -- so not very clever :( Best, Mark On 3 Dec 2007, at 21:41, BNig wrote: > > the timing on a MacBook Pro 2.33 GHz for the scripts is > > on average 190 Milliseconds for the whole thing, i.e. passing the > original > file to Colorsyncscripting, creating the grayscale file on disk and > reading > the file into Revolution and display the image. > > if you change the applescript so that you keep Colorsyncscripting open > instead of closing it as the current script does then the whole > thing takes > about 90 Milliseconds. This of course if you intend to do multiple > conversions. Right now ColorSyncScripting is closed after five > seconds, if > you set the filename of the image and start the conversion within > this time > you get the 90 milliseconds as it is. > > It also helps to put into a startup script that starts > ColorSyncScripting > during startUp, somehow it "initialises" applescript and revolution > and > ColorSyncScripting is ready when you do the first conversion. > > a script like this would do: > ------------ > on openStack > put "tell application " & quote & "ColorSyncScripting" & quote & " to > launch" into forASVar > do forASVar as applescript > if the result is not empty then answer the result > end openStack > --------------- > > the timing for the two variants strictly within Revolution to do > the same as > the applescript variant: > > Ron Woods: 1080 milliseconds > Mark Smith 660 milliseconds ( the binarydecode variant) > > having set the paintcompression to "RLE" on startup these values > change to: > Ron Woods: 800 milliseconds > Mark Smith 400 milliseconds ( the binarydecode variant) > > just setting the imagedata with the "RLE" startUp > 22 milliseconds !! brilliant > > all measurements made with the same picture 640 by 480 pixels > > > thank you for pointing me to the RLE and PNG problem, I was not > aware of > this. I use set imagedata in correcting movies for shifts, this > involves 900 > to 1200 images/movie of 768 by 576 pixels, and the 400 milliseconds > it takes > for each image on an iMac 2 GHz definitely add up. the actual > taking apart > of the image and putting it back together again in Revolution is > quite fast > (about 60 milliseconds). So I will try to set the paintcompression on > openstack. > > BTW I very much like your stacks on imagemanipulation in > Revolution, it is > amazing what you do with them > > Thank you. > > Bernd > > > > > > > Wilhelm Sanke wrote: >> >> >> On Mon Dec 3, 2007 BNig niggemann at uni-wh.de wrote: >> >>> Ken, >>> >>> if you are on MacOSX system > = 10.4 and you just want the image >>> to be >>> grayscale then you can try an applescript for colorsyncscripting. >>> it is a lot faster than Revolution. It takes Revolution from "set >>> the >>> imagedata of image x to y" for a 640x480 on a MacBook Pro 2.3 >>> about 280 >>> Milliseconds to display the image. So whatever you do you have this >>> overhead. >> >> >> You did not tell us in your post how fast using "applescript for >> colorsynscripting" actually is? >> >> Concerning the occurring "overhead" you mention when you display the >> changed imagedata from a variable in Revolution, like "set the >> imagedate >> of img "x" to changeddata", you have to take into account which >> paintcompression is set. PNG can be up to ten times slower than RLE. >> >> See bug # 5113 "Slower speed of imagedataprocessing with engines >> >2.6.1 >> and PNG compression" with the attached test stack. Curiously, this >> bug >> is still left as "unconfirmed" although we had a discussion about >> this >> on the improve list half a year ago. >> >> On my 2 GHz machine to display a 640x480 image from a changed >> imagedata >> variable takes 50 milliseconds with the paintcompression set to >> RLE and >> 580 when set to PNG. >> >> The Revolution engine defaults to RLE, but the Rev IDE changes >> that to >> PNG on startup. >> >> For fastest imagedata processing use engine 2.6.1 and the Metacard >> IDE - >> or set the paintcompression to RLE on openstack. >> >> Regards, >> >> Wilhelm Sanke >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > -- > View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Any-suggestions- > on-how-to-%22onion-skinning%22--tf4892376.html#a14139524 > Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From iowahengst at mac.com Mon Dec 3 20:26:41 2007 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 19:26:41 -0600 Subject: Making Progess with Rev In-Reply-To: <475486CB.3090103@crcom.net> References: <89948E83-0116-1000-F89E-25F373CCA23A-Webmail-10018@mac.com> <475486CB.3090103@crcom.net> Message-ID: <0AB31E45-A18A-4287-B1C7-510DE264DAE0@mac.com> Len, Mark, and Bj?rnke Thank you for the feedback. I apologize for the fiasco with the website. I had updated it from work and obviously messed it up. I've now loaded the programs again and double-checked the Mac versions which now seem to work as expected. I don't have access to a PC at home, so I can't check them -- other than they do download as expected. So, as your time allows, please give it another shot at http:// homepage.mac.com/iowahengst Len, a puzzle I made of the contiguous US, I included a "hint" button that would show the outlines of the states. I'll do something along those lines for regions version. I also plan to create a puzzle for each of the 5 regions as organized in my son's social studies text. When completed, the opening screen will be a US map with each region shaded. The user will click the region to practice. So, it will be more obvious that the puzzle is for only one region. I like your idea to add the star for the capital name in the matching game. My context for this specific version was my son's needs. He knew the names of the states, but not the postal abbreviations or capitals. So, he recognized that the capital name wasn't a state when he began. I've never messed with revBrowser. I'll play with some ideas for including links. Let me know how your 5th grader did. take care, randy ----- On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:44 PM, Len Morgan wrote: > Randy, > > I tried to use the "Send me a message" button on the web site you > list but it's not working. So I'll comment here. > > I liked the program but was probably exceptionally dense at the > time. The first state that came up was Kentucky and I could not > for the life of me place it correctly. I KNOW where its supposed > to go but I was using the "blank" map and thinking it was the whole > US so I was putting it in the middle. Well, of course, I was only > looking at 1/4 of the US and once I got that through my head, I got > it right on the first shot. Perhaps a small map in the upper > corner showing the 1/4 I'm working with highlighted would have > helped. Maybe an elementary student would have made the mental > leap that I couldn't. > > When I was playing the "Match" game, it didn't occur to me that you > were also displaying capitals (I DID know they were cities). It > might be nice (and helpful) if you could put a little star next to > the name (like you do on the finished map to indicate that it's a > capital city. > > If you really wanted to expand the possibilities with this program > as a learning tool, you might be able to use the revBrowser and > have a link for each state and capital to a web page or Google > search about that state/capital. > > Thanks for the chance to try this out. I'm going see if my 5th > grader does any better than I did. > > Len Morgan > > > Randy Hengst wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> I've been lurking for about a year and a half now on the list -- >> I've made only a couple attempts at responding to questions. I'd >> place myself in the "serious hobbyist" category. In other words, I >> pretty much always have a rev project going. >> My focus has been making things to help my kids in school. My >> youngest is in 4th grade and is now studying US states and >> capitals. I've just posted the southeast puzzle/matching game I >> made for him to practice that region to my website: http:// >> homepage.mac.com/iowahengst >> >> I'd appreciate any thoughts you'd be willing to share. >> >> take care, >> randy >> ----- >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From paulgabel at comcast.net Mon Dec 3 23:42:32 2007 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel) Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2007 20:42:32 -0800 Subject: "Print this card" results in blocks of black In-Reply-To: <3254082C-1956-46C8-B014-A36F7BA7DA86@economy-x-talk.com> References: <3254082C-1956-46C8-B014-A36F7BA7DA86@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <99E27DBA-0F29-4FBB-9A7A-70520CECFFF2@comcast.net> Can anyone give me a clue as to why printing a card results in large blocks of black ink. In Rev 2.8.1, many images ended up this way. In Rev 2.9 beta 9, buttons and fields end up this way. on menuPick theItem switch theItem case "This Card" set the printScale to .5 -- needed to fit card on paper print this cd -- no print dialog boxes with "print cd" break . . . iMac Intel Leopard Canon iP4200 printer Paul Gabel From chipp at chipp.com Tue Dec 4 02:26:29 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:26:29 -0600 Subject: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO In-Reply-To: References: <20071201180004.A9CED488FF5@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712032326m6ac6cfafs782318f830231d6d@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 3, 2007 4:51 PM, Michael wrote: > In my opinion, SMIL isn't all that useful by itself. If you want editing > features, try using Quicktime reference movie files. They are incredibly > useful. Yep, that's what I ended up doing-- creating a QT ref file by scratch. But it's so much easier using SMIL than managing all the tracks manually. My app has the traditional timeline with 2 audio tracks for editing. So, the compilation can get complicated, though I was able to do it with Trevor's external. Much easier with SMIL, but then you can't export to a single standalone video file, which you can do with a QT ref file. -C From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 04:03:13 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:03:13 +0800 Subject: OT: rant about trees and pubic hair... (was Re: Welcome to Scotland) In-Reply-To: <4be051070712022127r13849263qb733c9562d919146@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a10712010835q4bc0633o2e37d3ceeeda030c@mail.gmail.com> <4be051070712022127r13849263qb733c9562d919146@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 3, 2007 1:27 PM, Judy Perry wrote: > > pick their own berries (blueberries, blackberries, strawberries and > raspberries) > OOoohhhh, what a pitty you don't have room for the mulberry tree: an after school mulberry war - pure heaven (for kids, a nightmare for the charlady) From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 04:10:39 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:10:39 +0800 Subject: OT: rant about trees and pubic hair... (was Re: Welcome to Scotland) In-Reply-To: <47537FB1.2000203@fourthworld.com> References: <47537FB1.2000203@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Dec 3, 2007 12:01 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: ...exacerbating what at least one researcher called Nature Deficit Disorder: > I once helped a University Prof friend move from the 'edge of the suburbs' to 'inside a nature reserve'. A research assist came along to help with the move, but he was clearly distracted. At one point he turned to me and said, "I think I've seen more butterflies today than I've seen in my entire life". A life spent very much in the city. From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Dec 4 05:25:47 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:25:47 +1000 Subject: "Print this card" results in blocks of black In-Reply-To: <99E27DBA-0F29-4FBB-9A7A-70520CECFFF2@comcast.net> References: <3254082C-1956-46C8-B014-A36F7BA7DA86@economy-x-talk.com> <99E27DBA-0F29-4FBB-9A7A-70520CECFFF2@comcast.net> Message-ID: On Dec 4, 2007 2:42 PM, Paul Gabel wrote: > Can anyone give me a clue as to why printing a card results in large > blocks of black ink. In Rev 2.8.1, many images ended up this way. In > Rev 2.9 beta 9, buttons and fields end up this way. > > on menuPick theItem > switch theItem > case "This Card" > set the printScale to .5 -- needed to fit card on paper > print this cd -- no print dialog boxes with "print cd" > break > . . . Paul, what happens if you set the backColor of the card to white before printing? Sarah From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Tue Dec 4 07:01:58 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:01:58 +0100 Subject: Decolorizing scripts? In-Reply-To: <7619226A-D3DA-4ECB-BFDB-4315600372BC@comcast.net> References: <7619226A-D3DA-4ECB-BFDB-4315600372BC@comcast.net> Message-ID: <551D2FE9-966E-448F-A25B-7EA96173519F@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Paul, When you make a standalone, the Standalone Builder removes all colorisation from the scripts. There is no reason to decolorise scripts before making a standalone. Also, by decolorising scripts, you reduce the standalone only by a few kilobytes. There are very big libraries included in Revolution, the scripts of which are not decolorised before they are added to the standalone. So, while the standalone builder may remove a few kilobytes of colour information, it also adds tons of colorised scripts from the libraries. Maybe we should report this as a bug. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 3-dec-2007, om 19:37 heeft Paul Gabel het volgende geschreven: > Hello everyone: > > Do any of you know how to decolorize scripts? "Colorize" is in the > Scripts menu, but not the reverse. I searched the docs with the > word "color," but found no appropriate command. Sometimes doing a > Find inadvertently decolorizes them, but now that I want that to > happen it won't. Standalones don't need colorized scripts, that's > why I'm asking. Somewhere I read the advice that decolorizing > should be done before building a standalone. > > Paul Gabel From klaus at major-k.de Tue Dec 4 09:08:56 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 15:08:56 +0100 Subject: start player with rtsp://... Message-ID: Hi all, I have a player where I set the filename to a "rtsp://..." url which works fine. But when I script: "start player xyz" I see: "-5405: Function not supported" (in german) in the QT controllerbar. No problems when I click the play button (of the QT controller) manually. What gives? Any hints very appreciated. Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Dec 4 09:45:49 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 09:45:49 -0500 Subject: start player with rtsp://... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B3D0CF8-4090-4BA1-8AEA-0723663E8ED5@mangomultimedia.com> On Dec 4, 2007, at 9:08 AM, Klaus Major wrote: > I have a player where I set the filename to a "rtsp://..." url which > works fine. > > But when I script: "start player xyz" I see: "-5405: Function not > supported" > (in german) in the QT controllerbar. > > No problems when I click the play button (of the QT controller) > manually. > > What gives? Any hints very appreciated. What happens if you set the playrate to 1? -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From klaus at major-k.de Tue Dec 4 10:00:10 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 16:00:10 +0100 Subject: start player with rtsp://... In-Reply-To: <5B3D0CF8-4090-4BA1-8AEA-0723663E8ED5@mangomultimedia.com> References: <5B3D0CF8-4090-4BA1-8AEA-0723663E8ED5@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: Hi Trevor, > On Dec 4, 2007, at 9:08 AM, Klaus Major wrote: >> I have a player where I set the filename to a "rtsp://..." url >> which works fine. >> But when I script: "start player xyz" I see: "-5405: Function not >> supported" >> (in german) in the QT controllerbar. >> No problems when I click the play button (of the QT controller) >> manually. >> What gives? Any hints very appreciated. > > What happens if you set the playrate to 1? Then that damn thing starts as exspected :-D Thanks a LOT! I was hoping that you would come up with a smart solution ;-) One could think these commands are identical... > -- > Trevor DeVore > Blue Mango Learning Systems > www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com Best regards from germany Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Dec 4 10:15:57 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:15:57 -0500 Subject: start player with rtsp://... In-Reply-To: References: <5B3D0CF8-4090-4BA1-8AEA-0723663E8ED5@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: On Dec 4, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Klaus Major wrote: > > Then that damn thing starts as exspected :-D > Thanks a LOT! > > I was hoping that you would come up with a smart solution ;-) > > One could think these commands are identical... One would think that as that would make sense. They really *should* be doing the same thing under the hood. But I've seen a few reports where people were having problems with the "start" command and using playrate fixed the problem. happiness = use playrate -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From R.Beynon at liverpool.ac.uk Tue Dec 4 14:28:30 2007 From: R.Beynon at liverpool.ac.uk (Beynon, Rob) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 19:28:30 -0000 Subject: Hiding shell windows Message-ID: <08DA90FD83D9AF40ADC882D28C63C74D993605@EVSSTAFF1.livad.liv.ac.uk> Thanks Klaus, Ian That was impressively intuitive, and set the hideconsolewindows to true is indeed simple...and works a treat! Rob ________________________________ Prof R J Beynon[h] Proteomics and Functional Genomics Group Faculty of Veterinary Science University of Liverpool Crown Street, Liverpool L69 7ZJ ________________________________ Phone: +44 151 794 4312 Fax: +44 151 794 4243 Email: r.beynon at liv.ac.uk http://www.liv.ac.uk/pfg ________________________________ This email was sent on Tue, 04 Dec, 2007 at 7:28 PM. From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Tue Dec 4 17:20:06 2007 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:20:06 -0500 Subject: LibURLftpCommand error when port is specified In-Reply-To: <3D46883D-7309-4A5F-A776-C5A6C8CF8BE8@wehostmacs.com> Message-ID: In the 2.8.1 documentation for LibURLftpCommand, it says I can use a non-standard port. The script will not compile with ANY number specified as the port, even 21. Any ideas? Is this a bug? DOCS > "The port is the port number you want to connect to. If you don't specify a port, port 21 is used. (On most systems, port 21 is the FTP port.)" Roger Eller From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Tue Dec 4 19:31:16 2007 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 00:31:16 +0000 Subject: LibURLftpCommand error when port is specified In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 4 Dec 2007, at 22:20, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > In the 2.8.1 documentation for LibURLftpCommand, it says I can use a > non-standard port. The script will not compile with ANY number > specified as > the port, even 21. Any ideas? Is this a bug? When I try the following here, it works OK: put libUrlFtpCommand("PWD", "192.168.1.104:21", "myname", "mypassword") I notice that the examples in the docs don't quote the host parameter. Would that explain what you are seeing? If so, it looks like a documentation bug. Dave From chipp at chipp.com Tue Dec 4 21:57:52 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:57:52 -0600 Subject: start player with rtsp://... In-Reply-To: References: <5B3D0CF8-4090-4BA1-8AEA-0723663E8ED5@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712041857n536992b0ieb54405dc6ffb49@mail.gmail.com> Do you stop by setting the playrate to 0? From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Dec 4 23:35:33 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 23:35:33 -0500 Subject: start player with rtsp://... In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712041857n536992b0ieb54405dc6ffb49@mail.gmail.com> References: <5B3D0CF8-4090-4BA1-8AEA-0723663E8ED5@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712041857n536992b0ieb54405dc6ffb49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <699CF14B-C313-49C1-81DE-192B03CB2BE7@mangomultimedia.com> On Dec 4, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Do you stop by setting the playrate to 0? Yes. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From jbv.silences at club-internet.fr Wed Dec 5 06:13:38 2007 From: jbv.silences at club-internet.fr (jbv) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:13:38 +0100 Subject: more Rev cgi headaches on Linux server Message-ID: <475687DE.5264E5B6@club-internet.fr> Hi list, Again fighting with Rev cgi problems... my ISP needs to know how to modify Apache settings on a Linux server to allow Rev cgi to launch... so far, every attempt to launch the engine fails because of some missing libraries, but I have the same engine running ok on some other Linux servers... The Apache version is 1.3.37 with PHP 4.4.4 Thanks, JB From klaus at major-k.de Wed Dec 5 07:18:42 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:18:42 +0100 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac Message-ID: Hi all, how can one copy large files WITHOUT blocking everything? revCopyFile uses Applescrip which is blocking! At least in Rev, but NOT when using the same script with the AppleScriptEditor!? :-/ Using "shell" is also blocking! "put url("binfile:"...)" is a no-no with > 1GB video files Is there a way at all? Do I want too much again? Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Dec 5 07:31:23 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 12:31:23 +0000 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D60FB57-734F-4D37-A935-F4A23C551FB3@azurevision.co.uk> On 5 Dec 2007, at 12:18, Klaus Major wrote: > revCopyFile uses Applescrip which is blocking! At least in Rev, but > NOT when > using the same script with the AppleScriptEditor!? :-/ > Using "shell" is also blocking! This has come up a few times on the list, and basically revolves around using a shell command that sends it's output to a text file instead of back to Rev. Rev carries on because as far as it's concerned the shell command has finished, then you can do some kind of loop checking the output text file, without blocking. On 14 Aug 2006, at 09:48, Brian Yennie wrote: > You might try something like: > > get shell("mylongcommand > output.txt &") > > This should redirect the output to a file and return immediately. > It's not as clean as triggering a "done" message with new syntax > would be, but it may be workable. You might try searching the > archives - I seem to recall discussing this one many moons ago... And: On 12 Nov 2006, at 23:52, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > function checkPing pIP > put specialFolderPath("Desktop") & "/ping.txt" into tFileName > if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName > > put "ping -c1 -n " & pIP into tShellCmd > put " > " & tFileName & " 2>&1 &" after tShellCmd > get shell(tShellCmd) > > put 0 into timeCheck > repeat 50 times > add 1 to timeCheck > wait 1 tick with messages > if there is a file tFileName then > put URL ("file:" & tFileName) into tRes > if tRes is empty then next repeat -- file created but no > result yet > > put wordOffset("loss", tRes) into tWord > if tWord = 0 then next repeat -- file created but result > not complete > > -- if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName > put word tWord-2 of tRes into tPercent > if tPercent = "0%" then return true > else return false > end if > end repeat > > if there is a file tFileName then delete file tFileName > return false > end checkPing Ian From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Wed Dec 5 07:34:37 2007 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:34:37 +0100 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Klaus, Welcome to the "We Need Threads In Rev" club :)) The only way to get around this limitation is to write some extra compiled applications to do the work to be threaded... If you remember i just recently split a big application into smaller parts because of this too... Problem is that one could eat your cpu doing the processing while the others wait for CPU threads. Even with 4 CPUs... Triple the work per thread but oh well... How long until CPU safe threads come to rev? Anyone? Anyone? cheers Xavier use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 05/12/2007 13:18:42: > Hi all, > > how can one copy large files WITHOUT blocking everything? > > revCopyFile uses Applescrip which is blocking! At least in Rev, but > NOT when > using the same script with the AppleScriptEditor!? :-/ > Using "shell" is also blocking! > > "put url("binfile:"...)" is a no-no with > 1GB video files > > Is there a way at all? Do I want too much again? > > > Regards > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clearstream Services S.A. 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. Luxembourg B 60911. ----------------------------------------- Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. Legally required information for business correspondence/ Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead END OF DISCLAIMER From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Wed Dec 5 07:48:58 2007 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 13:48:58 +0100 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry, slight misread... i thought you were already avoiding the revcopy handler and using AS. Note that the PC version is just as blocking. But my coment stands... No harm done :) cheers ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 05/12/2007 13:34:37: > Hi Klaus, > > Welcome to the "We Need Threads In Rev" club :)) > > The only way to get around this limitation is to write some extra compiled > applications to do the work to be threaded... > If you remember i just recently split a big application into smaller parts > because of this too... > > Problem is that one could eat your cpu doing the processing while the > others wait for CPU threads. Even with 4 CPUs... > > Triple the work per thread but oh well... > > How long until CPU safe threads come to rev? Anyone? Anyone? > > cheers > Xavier > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 05/12/2007 13:18:42: > > > Hi all, > > > > how can one copy large files WITHOUT blocking everything? > > > > revCopyFile uses Applescrip which is blocking! At least in Rev, but > > NOT when > > using the same script with the AppleScriptEditor!? :-/ > > Using "shell" is also blocking! > > > > "put url("binfile:"...)" is a no-no with > 1GB video files > > > > Is there a way at all? Do I want too much again? > > > > > > Regards > > > > Klaus Major > > klaus at major-k.de > > http://www.major-k.de > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clearstream Services S.A. 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. Luxembourg B 60911. ----------------------------------------- Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. 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Legally required information for business correspondence/ Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead END OF DISCLAIMER From klaus at major-k.de Wed Dec 5 08:00:06 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:00:06 +0100 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <7D60FB57-734F-4D37-A935-F4A23C551FB3@azurevision.co.uk> References: <7D60FB57-734F-4D37-A935-F4A23C551FB3@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <62DD0277-D738-4529-AD52-87DA92BC3E32@major-k.de> Hi Ian, > On 5 Dec 2007, at 12:18, Klaus Major wrote: > >> revCopyFile uses Applescrip which is blocking! At least in Rev, >> but NOT when >> using the same script with the AppleScriptEditor!? :-/ >> Using "shell" is also blocking! > > This has come up a few times on the list, and basically revolves > around using a shell command that sends it's output to a text file > instead of back to Rev. > > Rev carries on because as far as it's concerned the shell command > has finished, then you can do some kind of loop checking the output > text file, without blocking. > > On 14 Aug 2006, at 09:48, Brian Yennie wrote: > >> You might try something like: >> >> get shell("mylongcommand > output.txt &") That really sounded good, but did not work in the end :-/ My original blocking script: get shell("ditto" && sourcefile && targetfile) Now with this extra param the file "targetfile" will be the extra param, which is extremely mentally challenging :-D # For the "output" file: put the tempname into tname get shell("ditto" && sourcefile && targetfile && tname && "&") Does work non-blocking, but contents of tname = targetfile Then I tried this clever trick ;-): ... get shell("ditto" && sourcefile && targetfile && targetfile && "&") which is blocking again...? Obviously this trick does not work for copy/ditto actions, or am I overlooking something here? Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From klaus at major-k.de Wed Dec 5 08:03:08 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:03:08 +0100 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B177089-4385-4783-A756-2A86A4415ADA@major-k.de> Hi Xavier, > Hi Klaus, > > Welcome to the "We Need Threads In Rev" club :)) To put it with Groucho Marx: I don't want to be a member in a club that will accept members like me :-) > The only way to get around this limitation is to write some extra > compiled > applications to do the work to be threaded... Yep, I will try to use a ready made AppleScript application that will just read a text file with the actual AppleScript and execute that one. > If you remember i just recently split a big application into > smaller parts > because of this too... > > Problem is that one could eat your cpu doing the processing while the > others wait for CPU threads. Even with 4 CPUs... > > Triple the work per thread but oh well... > > How long until CPU safe threads come to rev? Anyone? Anyone? Rev 5.0? ;-) > cheers > Xavier Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Wed Dec 5 08:05:36 2007 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:05:36 +0100 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <62DD0277-D738-4529-AD52-87DA92BC3E32@major-k.de> Message-ID: Since im going to learn some unix to manage our celerras (in red hat linux) i thought I'd ask our unix sysadmins... the solution is indeed the & at the end of the command but to avoid that process to be killed (once the original shell is killed), you should use "nohup & " dont know if this works in osx but it is std unix they say... good luck :) use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 05/12/2007 14:00:06: > Hi Ian, > > > On 5 Dec 2007, at 12:18, Klaus Major wrote: > > > >> revCopyFile uses Applescrip which is blocking! At least in Rev, > >> but NOT when > >> using the same script with the AppleScriptEditor!? :-/ > >> Using "shell" is also blocking! > > > > This has come up a few times on the list, and basically revolves > > around using a shell command that sends it's output to a text file > > instead of back to Rev. > > > > Rev carries on because as far as it's concerned the shell command > > has finished, then you can do some kind of loop checking the output > > text file, without blocking. > > > > On 14 Aug 2006, at 09:48, Brian Yennie wrote: > > > >> You might try something like: > >> > >> get shell("mylongcommand > output.txt &") > > That really sounded good, but did not work in the end :-/ > > My original blocking script: > get shell("ditto" && sourcefile && targetfile) > > Now with this extra param the file "targetfile" will be the extra param, > which is extremely mentally challenging :-D > # For the "output" file: > put the tempname into tname > get shell("ditto" && sourcefile && targetfile && tname && "&") > > Does work non-blocking, but contents of tname = targetfile > > Then I tried this clever trick ;-): > ... > get shell("ditto" && sourcefile && targetfile && targetfile && "&") > which is blocking again...? > > Obviously this trick does not work for copy/ditto actions, or am I > overlooking something here? > > > Regards > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clearstream Services S.A. 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. 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Legally required information for business correspondence/ Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead END OF DISCLAIMER From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Dec 5 08:28:10 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:28:10 +0100 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Klaus, Why not simple this... on xCopyFile theFile,theNewFile open file theFile for binary read open file theNewFile for binary write repeat until it is empty read from file theFile for 10000 write it to file theNewFile wait 0 millisecs with messages end repeat close file theFile close file theNewFile end xCopyFile It is faster than you'd expect and you could add a progress bar. Of course, you need to set the file type and creator and you might want to copy the resource fork. All that isn't in this simple example. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 5-dec-2007, om 13:18 heeft Klaus Major het volgende geschreven: > Hi all, > > how can one copy large files WITHOUT blocking everything? > > revCopyFile uses Applescrip which is blocking! At least in Rev, but > NOT when > using the same script with the AppleScriptEditor!? :-/ > Using "shell" is also blocking! > > "put url("binfile:"...)" is a no-no with > 1GB video files > > Is there a way at all? Do I want too much again? > > > Regards > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > From klaus at major-k.de Wed Dec 5 08:31:38 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:31:38 +0100 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> Dag Mark, > Hi Klaus, > > Why not simple this... > > on xCopyFile theFile,theNewFile > open file theFile for binary read > open file theNewFile for binary write > repeat until it is empty > read from file theFile for 10000 > write it to file theNewFile > wait 0 millisecs with messages > end repeat > close file theFile > close file theNewFile > end xCopyFile > > It is faster than you'd expect and you could add a progress bar. Of > course, you need to set the file type and creator and you might > want to copy the resource fork. All that isn't in this simple example. Hmmm, might be a solution but will of course fail with OS X apps and files that are actually bundles, like most iWork documents (Pages, Numbers etc...) Anyway, hartelijk bedankt :-) > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From klaus at major-k.de Wed Dec 5 08:33:29 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 14:33:29 +0100 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Xavier, > Since im going to learn some unix to manage our celerras (in red hat > linux) i thought I'd ask our unix sysadmins... > > the solution is indeed the & at the end of the command but to avoid > that > process to be killed (once the original shell is killed), > you should use "nohup & " > > dont know if this works in osx but it is std unix they say... thanks for the hint, but that really does not matter, since our target audience are "simple" users, who do not know anything about shell or even KILLING a process. > good luck :) I DO need it ;-) Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From revolution at derbrill.de Wed Dec 5 09:11:17 2007 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:11:17 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?=F6=3C=3E=D6=3C=3Etolower=28=22=D6=22=29?= In-Reply-To: <20071204180005.69D4D48979B@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071204180005.69D4D48979B@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi all, slight prob over here. Casesensitive is false: put "?"="?" -- false put toLower("?") -- ? anyone got an idea how I can compare if a string containing umlauts is in another string REGARDLESS of the cases in both strings? All the best, Malte From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Wed Dec 5 09:16:27 2007 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:16:27 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_=F6=3C=3E=D6=3C=3Etolower=28=22=D6=22=29?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Malte Any diacritical character conversion for upper to lower and vv will need a custom table, one for Mac and one for PCs... linux too i would suppose... cheers ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury Clearstream Services TNS NT LAN Server ext 36465 Voice: +352 243 3 6465 Fax: +352 243 63 6465 use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 05/12/2007 15:11:17: > Hi all, > > slight prob over here. Casesensitive is false: > > put "?"="?" -- false > put toLower("?") -- ? > > anyone got an idea how I can compare if a string containing umlauts is > in another string REGARDLESS of the cases in both strings? > > All the best, > > Malte_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clearstream Services S.A. 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. Luxembourg B 60911. ----------------------------------------- Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. Legally required information for business correspondence/ Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead END OF DISCLAIMER From revolution at derbrill.de Wed Dec 5 09:21:32 2007 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:21:32 +0100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A_Re=3A_=F6=3C=3E=D6=3C=3Etolower=28=22=D6=22?= =?iso-8859-1?q?=29?= In-Reply-To: <20071203180005.62708489D9D@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071203180005.62708489D9D@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <43736D46-7371-4D38-BBE7-C880FE0C4C3C@derbrill.de> Hi Xav, that?s what I fear, however it is not what the docs suggest: "Uppercase letters, including special characters with diacritical marks, are converted to the lowercase equivalents. All other characters, including lowercase letters, numbers, punctuation, and special characters with no upper or lower case, are left unchanged by the toLower function." What gives? Atb, Malte From geradamas at yahoo.com Wed Dec 5 10:17:46 2007 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:17:46 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Diacritical Marks, Cyrillic Encodings, and related "poo" Message-ID: <64784.27641.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Malte Brill wrote: "that?s what I fear, however it is not what the docs suggest: "Uppercase letters, including special characters with diacritical marks, are converted to the lowercase equivalents. All other characters, including lowercase letters, numbers, punctuation, and special characters with no upper or lower case, are left unchanged by the toLower function." What gives?" These 'give': 1. Anglocentric computer world. 2. The standard codepage listings do not have ? marked as the lower case of ?: I am sorry if that offends the Scandinavians who use an O + umlaut; but to make an ? I have to hit 2 different keys; one for the umlaut and another for the O: And That Is The Rub! To produce an ? and an ? the first keyDown (i.e. to produce the umlaut) is the same, followed by a 'standard' O. or, as Mark Weider put it more succinctly the other day: "Welcome to Scotland". ------ Had a very 'sexy' week as had to extract 150 Microsoft Word for DOS documents off an old DOS disk (enslaved it to a Pentium 3 running Ubuntu 5 point something) and convert them into Open Office format- and just to spice things up they were written in Bulgarian using a non-standard Cyrillic encoder written by a man who is now dead. Open Office 2.3.0 on my Macintosh actually managed to convert about 75% of the text using a Word for DOS/Russian converter - so obviously the dead programmer based his Bulgarian widget on that. A friend of mine is trying to "chew" all the documents through a VBA macro on Office 97 under Windows Millennium - but it is going to be a very long night. Anybody with bright ideas would feature in my prayers of thanks for many weeks! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! - the World's favourite mail http://uk.mail.yahoo.com From bvg at mac.com Wed Dec 5 10:45:57 2007 From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:45:57 +0100 Subject: Diacritical Marks, Cyrillic Encodings, and related "poo" In-Reply-To: <64784.27641.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <64784.27641.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Codepages (respectively character encodings) have no connection with how the characters are entered into the Computer. that is the job of the keyboard layout. Codepages are how the Characters are encoded in binary. Again this has not much to do with how they will sort, or what is the big char of the little one. This association is made with a sort table. Often codepages and sort tables defined in the same rules (not always though, eg. mySQL allows you to define them separately). Unfortunately, rev's sort table is broken since 1.1.1 (tested on Mac OS X 10.5 ppc). have fun Bj?rnke On 5 Dec 2007, at 16:17, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > The standard codepage listings do not have ? marked > as the lower case of ?: I am sorry if that offends > the Scandinavians who use an O + umlaut; but to make > an ? I have to hit 2 different keys; one for the > umlaut and another for the O: And That Is The Rub! -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev" From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Wed Dec 5 13:17:51 2007 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 19:17:51 +0100 Subject: Making Progess with Rev Message-ID: <4756EB4F.1040403@hrz.uni-kassel.de> On Mon Dec 3, 2007, Randy Hengst iowahengst at mac.com wrote: > Len, a puzzle I made of the contiguous US, I included a "hint" button > that would show the outlines of the states. I'll do something along > those lines for regions version. I also plan to create a puzzle for > each of the 5 regions as organized in my son's social studies text. > When completed, the opening screen will be a US map with each region > shaded. The user will click the region to practice. So, it will be > more obvious that the puzzle is for only one region. > > I like your idea to add the star for the capital name in the matching > game. My context for this specific version was my son's needs. He > knew the names of the states, but not the postal abbreviations or > capitals. So, he recognized that the capital name wasn't a state when > he began. Geography is a field that is very suitable for producing educational stacks, both because of the graphical elements in such exercises and the possibilty to implement fundamental principles of learning - as can be seen in your stack. Incidentally - and for the same reasons - there are three such stacks available from my website, page produced some time ago by teacher students during multimedia workshops - at a time when we still had the wonderful situation to use free Starter Kit versions of Metacard and Revolution, which were only "restricted" by a 10-line script limit, which, however, could easily be overcome in the case of beginning programmers. Meaning: Such beginning programmers tend to produce simpler programs. Since such free Starter Kits have been no longer available as a wonderful basis to teach educational programming we have abandoned most of such efforts, and now use Revolution mainly with small groups of faculty, e.g. for the development of software applied in the foreign-language deparments. Anyway, the student stacks on my website might be indeed interesting in the way they deal with the ten-line script limit, but also because of some creative elements in them. On the other side they can also contain some basic deficiencies one should avoid by all means in educational programming, such as the fixed order of the sequence of maps and their corresponding state names in the first exercise of the "German States" stack; the other exercises of this stack are better and more flexibly programmed. Two of the geographical stacks on the "Student Samples" page have a entirely German surface, which would make it difficult for a speaker not familiar with German to navigate and understand what is going on in the stack. This holds for the "Europe" stack, which might otherwise be interesting because of its ample integration of images and sound, and for the German version of "German States". Fortunately there is also an English version of the "German States" stack with four exercises, of which all scripts are accessible.- Best regards, Wilhelm Sanke From katir at hindu.org Wed Dec 5 14:49:42 2007 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 09:49:42 -1000 Subject: start player with rtsp://... In-Reply-To: <699CF14B-C313-49C1-81DE-192B03CB2BE7@mangomultimedia.com> References: <5B3D0CF8-4090-4BA1-8AEA-0723663E8ED5@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712041857n536992b0ieb54405dc6ffb49@mail.gmail.com> <699CF14B-C313-49C1-81DE-192B03CB2BE7@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <475700D6.9040802@hindu.org> Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Dec 4, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > >> Do you stop by setting the playrate to 0? > > Yes. FWIW: I've also solved a number of issues by always "cleaning up" the player, after stopping, set the file name to empty, set the current time to 0, save, before leaving the card (hiding the group or whatever) ... I never was able to ferret out the exact isues... but He was much happier to be left with filename empty; be opened (the player), displayed, all other processes in the stack finished and *then*... set the URL by script and set the playrate to 1. One issue for sure is: if you set the filename to a remote URL and then quit the stack after a save... you have left that player "hooked" up to a remote URL.. So, then if you intend to use that card + player later and set it to a different URL... the player seems to be unhappy that he has been set to open a socket to play one movie (the URL that you left behind in an earlier session), but then by script you are resetting the filename to a different URL... it can just hang, or take forever to start as if he's saying "Gee I already opened a socket to this one movie and now you want me to play a different movie? Let me hang up on the first one and if I don't get too confused will try to load and play the new one..." half the time it would hang... after I started cleaning up the player on exit...symptoms disappeared...well, almost...he still will not play remote movies with a Fast Start Header that play just fine in a browser... so we've moved (I should say Andre has) a RevBrowser solution.) From dave at looktowindward.com Wed Dec 5 15:20:52 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:20:52 +0000 Subject: [OT] How to get Install Text in MacOS X .dmg files Message-ID: <96F6475E-0BDB-4F04-8363-FEFDAA370545@looktowindward.com> Hi, I'd like to create a new backdrop that says something like "Please drag the XXX to the Applications Folder to Install" when my .dmg file is opened by the user. Does anyone know how to do this? I've setup a Picture and made this the Window Picture in the View Options dialog, however, when I open the .dmg file the image is not there. Thanks a lot, All the Best Dave From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 16:13:02 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:13:02 +1000 Subject: [OT] How to get Install Text in MacOS X .dmg files In-Reply-To: <96F6475E-0BDB-4F04-8363-FEFDAA370545@looktowindward.com> References: <96F6475E-0BDB-4F04-8363-FEFDAA370545@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: > I'd like to create a new backdrop that says something like "Please > drag the XXX to the Applications Folder to Install" when my .dmg file > is opened by the user. Does anyone know how to do this? I've setup a > Picture and made this the Window Picture in the View Options dialog, > however, when I open the .dmg file the image is not there. Hi Dave, I use DropDMG to make the dmg files and it's help has this section: ------------- When making an image from a folder, DropDMG copies to the image the background pictures and view options of all the contained folders. It does not copy this information for the top-level folder because Apple does not provide a way to do this. If the top-level background picture and view settings on the image are important to you, you can set them as follows: Drag the folder onto DropDMG and create a read-write image. Mount the image in the Finder. Set the background picture on the mounted image using the Finder's Get Info command. Make sure the picture file you select is saved somewhere on the disk image rather than on your hard disk. Set the view options and arrange the icons the way you want them. Sometimes the Finder doesn't save changes to the view options. It may help to create and delete an empty folder on the image. Unmount the image in the Finder using the Eject command in the File menu. Drag the .dmg file onto DropDMG and convert it to read-only or a compressed format. Some people like to save the background picture file in an invisible folder named .background, so that it is not visible on the mounted image. This folder will not be visible in the Save window of your graphics program. You can, however, type Command-Shift-G. This will let you enter the path of the .background folder so that you can save the picture in it. ------------ I used this method, including the bit about using an invisible file. BTW, once you have made a R/W image, don't trash it. Whenever you need to update it, open the R/W image, make your changes, eject the image and then convert it to read only using DropDMG. It means you only have to go through this process once for each application. HTH, Sarah From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Dec 5 16:23:01 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:23:01 +0000 Subject: [OT] How to get Install Text in MacOS X .dmg files In-Reply-To: References: <96F6475E-0BDB-4F04-8363-FEFDAA370545@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: <5CD4509A-B873-4214-8B7C-AF4E0F94BC5F@azurevision.co.uk> On 5 Dec 2007, at 21:13, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > I use DropDMG to make the dmg files and it's help has this section: For extra brownie points, add an alias* to the Applications folder to the DMG, and position it at the end of the 'drag to install' arrow. ;-) *I've a feeling it has to be a hard link rather than an alias, though. Ian From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Dec 5 16:55:55 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:55:55 +1000 Subject: [OT] How to get Install Text in MacOS X .dmg files In-Reply-To: <5CD4509A-B873-4214-8B7C-AF4E0F94BC5F@azurevision.co.uk> References: <96F6475E-0BDB-4F04-8363-FEFDAA370545@looktowindward.com> <5CD4509A-B873-4214-8B7C-AF4E0F94BC5F@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: > > I use DropDMG to make the dmg files and it's help has this section: > > For extra brownie points, add an alias* to the Applications folder to > the DMG, and position it at the end of the 'drag to install' arrow. ;-) > > *I've a feeling it has to be a hard link rather than an alias, though. Here's a link to a good article showing how to do that: Sarah From userev at canelasoftware.com Wed Dec 5 17:08:34 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:08:34 -0800 Subject: How to auto startup Message-ID: Hello everyone, I am looking to have my app automatically set itself up to auto start at boot for Mac & Win. This needs to be done via the application and not an installer. Mac: I am guessing this may be possible with applescript. Has anyone invented this wheel yet? Win: Copy over an alias of the app to the startup folder? If you have any thoughts on that, I am all ears. Thanks for your suggestions. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Dec 5 17:16:58 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:16:58 +0000 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5 Dec 2007, at 22:08, Mark Talluto wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am looking to have my app automatically set itself up to auto > start at boot for Mac & Win. This needs to be done via the > application and not an installer. > > Mac: I am guessing this may be possible with applescript. Has > anyone invented this wheel yet? Some quick searching on Google gives this: http://bbs.applescript.net/viewtopic.php?id=11314 Not tested here, though. Ian P.S. I strongly urge that you make it an *option* and not automatic... From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Dec 5 17:29:53 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:29:53 +0100 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68A78127-9EAA-4E4F-9BEE-C9AA5E0A2758@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Mark, No need to use AppleScript. It should be something like this: create alias "/system/library/startupitems/yourapp.alias" to file "/ volumes/diskimage/yourapp.app" and you can do the same in Windows, using the path to the startup folder in the start menu folder. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 5-dec-2007, om 23:08 heeft Mark Talluto het volgende geschreven: > Hello everyone, > > I am looking to have my app automatically set itself up to auto > start at boot for Mac & Win. This needs to be done via the > application and not an installer. > > Mac: I am guessing this may be possible with applescript. Has > anyone invented this wheel yet? > Win: Copy over an alias of the app to the startup folder? > > If you have any thoughts on that, I am all ears. Thanks for your > suggestions. > > > Mark Talluto From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Wed Dec 5 17:36:48 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 14:36:48 -0800 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: <68A78127-9EAA-4E4F-9BEE-C9AA5E0A2758@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: User login preferences in OSX allows adding start up items. Admin privileges required and the user must have permissions that allow executing the file. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 12/5/07 2:29 PM, "Mark Schonewille" wrote: > Hi Mark, > > No need to use AppleScript. It should be something like this: > > create alias "/system/library/startupitems/yourapp.alias" to file "/ > volumes/diskimage/yourapp.app" > > and you can do the same in Windows, using the path to the startup > folder in the start menu folder. > > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > Op 5-dec-2007, om 23:08 heeft Mark Talluto het volgende geschreven: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> I am looking to have my app automatically set itself up to auto >> start at boot for Mac & Win. This needs to be done via the >> application and not an installer. >> >> Mac: I am guessing this may be possible with applescript. Has >> anyone invented this wheel yet? >> Win: Copy over an alias of the app to the startup folder? >> >> If you have any thoughts on that, I am all ears. Thanks for your >> suggestions. >> >> >> Mark Talluto > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Dec 5 17:45:15 2007 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 16:45:15 -0600 Subject: more Rev cgi headaches on Linux server In-Reply-To: <475687DE.5264E5B6@club-internet.fr> References: <475687DE.5264E5B6@club-internet.fr> Message-ID: <20071205164515919589.75161a02@sonsothunder.com> On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:13:38 +0100, jbv wrote: > Hi list, > > Again fighting with Rev cgi problems... my ISP needs to know > how to modify Apache settings on a Linux server to allow > Rev cgi to launch... so far, every attempt to launch the engine > fails because of some missing libraries, but I have the same > engine running ok on some other Linux servers... > The Apache version is 1.3.37 with PHP 4.4.4 See if this tip helps: http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/tips/cgi001.htm It was what I needed to do to get OLM.net's Linux servers to work. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From dave at looktowindward.com Wed Dec 5 17:55:43 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:55:43 +0000 Subject: [OT] How to get Install Text in MacOS X .dmg files In-Reply-To: References: <96F6475E-0BDB-4F04-8363-FEFDAA370545@looktowindward.com> <5CD4509A-B873-4214-8B7C-AF4E0F94BC5F@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi, Thanks a lot Sarah and Ian works a treat! One more question, I can't seem to get the App Icon to work in the finder. I set the Application Icon in the Standalone Settings Dialog. I am using a 128 x 128 JPEG file, is this ok? Thanks again, All the Best Dave On 5 Dec 2007, at 21:55, Sarah Reichelt wrote: >>> I use DropDMG to make the dmg files and it's help has this section: >> >> For extra brownie points, add an alias* to the Applications folder to >> the DMG, and position it at the end of the 'drag to install' >> arrow. ;-) >> >> *I've a feeling it has to be a hard link rather than an alias, >> though. > > Here's a link to a good article showing how to do that: > > application-folder-from-a-disk.html> > > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From dave at looktowindward.com Wed Dec 5 17:59:29 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 22:59:29 +0000 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, You can always just copy the file yourself and read/write smaller chunks (say 32K at a time). That's what I ended up doing. All the Best Dave On 5 Dec 2007, at 13:33, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi Xavier, > >> Since im going to learn some unix to manage our celerras (in red hat >> linux) i thought I'd ask our unix sysadmins... >> >> the solution is indeed the & at the end of the command but to >> avoid that >> process to be killed (once the original shell is killed), >> you should use "nohup & " >> >> dont know if this works in osx but it is std unix they say... > > thanks for the hint, but that really does not matter, since our > target audience are > "simple" users, who do not know anything about shell or even > KILLING a process. > >> good luck :) > > I DO need it ;-) > > > Best > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Dec 5 18:10:46 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 23:10:46 +0000 Subject: [OT] How to get Install Text in MacOS X .dmg files In-Reply-To: References: <96F6475E-0BDB-4F04-8363-FEFDAA370545@looktowindward.com> <5CD4509A-B873-4214-8B7C-AF4E0F94BC5F@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <8A77F15C-C6E1-4976-B1E9-2C3E2DADF08F@azurevision.co.uk> On 5 Dec 2007, at 22:55, Dave wrote: > One more question, I can't seem to get the App Icon to work in the > finder. I set the Application Icon in the Standalone Settings > Dialog. I am using a 128 x 128 JPEG file, is this ok? NO! You need to use an actual icon file, made with an app such as Iconographer or whatever the Photoshop Icon plugin is called. Ian From erikhans08 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 5 18:21:50 2007 From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (Erik Hansen) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 15:21:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: test Message-ID: <2172.5009.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> test ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From tkuypers at dmp-int.com Wed Dec 5 18:52:33 2007 From: tkuypers at dmp-int.com (Ton Kuypers) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 00:52:33 +0100 Subject: RR 2.9.0-dp-2 & VBscript Message-ID: Hi, I hope one of you has got Adobe InDesign CS2 installed, because I could use some help... It might be a bug in sending VB scripts from RR but maybe someone can confirm this of help me out... When I send the following script to InDesign, the file is opened as expected: on mouseUp put "Set vIND = CreateObject(" & q("InDesign.Application.CS2") & ")" & cr into vScript put "Set vDoc = vIND.Open(" & q("C:\test.indd") & ")" & cr after vScript do vScript as "vbscript" put the result end mouseUp When I add a line to this script, it gives an execution error: on mouseUp put "Set vIND = CreateObject(" & q("InDesign.Application.CS2") & ")" & cr into vScript put "vIND.ScriptPreferences.UserInteractionLevel = InDesign.idUserInteractionLevels.idNeverInteract" & cr after vScript put "Set vDoc = vIND.Open(" & q("C:\test.indd") & ")" & cr after vScript do vScript as "vbscript" put the result end mouseUp When I save the script as a file and try to run it from within InDesign, it works fine. And it doesn't matter what code I add to the script, it just doesn't work... Anyone any ideas? Warm regards, Ton Kuypers Digital Media Partners bvba Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 http://www.dmp-int.com From revdev at pdslabs.net Wed Dec 5 19:12:15 2007 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:12:15 -0800 Subject: RR 2.9.0-dp-2 & VBscript In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47573E5F.6030607@pdslabs.net> Hi Ton, Sometimes I have trouble seeing my own syntax "issues' in inline-built scripts like yours, so I store the script as a whole in a custom property, then get it and use it as needed. If there are run-time variations needed in the script, I use "[[placeholder]]" or some similar tag in the stored script and then replace "[[placeholder]]" with in tMyScript Maybe that will work in your case! Phil Davis Ton Kuypers wrote: > Hi, > > I hope one of you has got Adobe InDesign CS2 installed, because I > could use some help... > It might be a bug in sending VB scripts from RR but maybe someone can > confirm this of help me out... > > When I send the following script to InDesign, the file is opened as > expected: > on mouseUp > put "Set vIND = CreateObject(" & q("InDesign.Application.CS2") & > ")" & cr into vScript > put "Set vDoc = vIND.Open(" & q("C:\test.indd") & ")" & cr after > vScript > do vScript as "vbscript" > put the result > end mouseUp > > When I add a line to this script, it gives an execution error: > on mouseUp > put "Set vIND = CreateObject(" & q("InDesign.Application.CS2") & > ")" & cr into vScript > put "vIND.ScriptPreferences.UserInteractionLevel = > InDesign.idUserInteractionLevels.idNeverInteract" & cr after vScript > put "Set vDoc = vIND.Open(" & q("C:\test.indd") & ")" & cr after > vScript > do vScript as "vbscript" > put the result > end mouseUp > > When I save the script as a file and try to run it from within > InDesign, it works fine. > And it doesn't matter what code I add to the script, it just doesn't > work... > > Anyone any ideas? > > > Warm regards, > > Ton Kuypers > Digital Media Partners bvba > Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 > Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 > http://www.dmp-int.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From tkuypers at dmp-int.com Wed Dec 5 19:58:54 2007 From: tkuypers at dmp-int.com (Ton Kuypers) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 01:58:54 +0100 Subject: RR 2.9.0-dp-2 & VBscript In-Reply-To: <47573E5F.6030607@pdslabs.net> References: <47573E5F.6030607@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <31B6E175-7D0A-43D4-A677-DA34469915F7@dmp-int.com> Hi Phil, Thanks, already tried that, but no luck... 2 lines work fine, adding a third line (with a valid command) gives an execution error... Warm regards, Ton Kuypers Digital Media Partners bvba Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 http://www.dmp-int.com On 6-dec-07, at 01:12, Phil Davis wrote: > Hi Ton, > > Sometimes I have trouble seeing my own syntax "issues' in inline- > built scripts like yours, so I store the script as a whole in a > custom property, then get it and use it as needed. If there are run- > time variations needed in the script, I use "[[placeholder]]" or > some similar tag in the stored script and then > > replace "[[placeholder]]" with in tMyScript > > Maybe that will work in your case! > > Phil Davis > > > > Ton Kuypers wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I hope one of you has got Adobe InDesign CS2 installed, because I >> could use some help... >> It might be a bug in sending VB scripts from RR but maybe someone >> can confirm this of help me out... >> >> When I send the following script to InDesign, the file is opened >> as expected: >> on mouseUp >> put "Set vIND = CreateObject(" & q("InDesign.Application.CS2") >> & ")" & cr into vScript >> put "Set vDoc = vIND.Open(" & q("C:\test.indd") & ")" & cr >> after vScript >> do vScript as "vbscript" >> put the result >> end mouseUp >> >> When I add a line to this script, it gives an execution error: >> on mouseUp >> put "Set vIND = CreateObject(" & q("InDesign.Application.CS2") >> & ")" & cr into vScript >> put "vIND.ScriptPreferences.UserInteractionLevel = >> InDesign.idUserInteractionLevels.idNeverInteract" & cr after vScript >> put "Set vDoc = vIND.Open(" & q("C:\test.indd") & ")" & cr >> after vScript >> do vScript as "vbscript" >> put the result >> end mouseUp >> >> When I save the script as a file and try to run it from within >> InDesign, it works fine. >> And it doesn't matter what code I add to the script, it just >> doesn't work... >> >> Anyone any ideas? >> >> >> Warm regards, >> >> Ton Kuypers >> Digital Media Partners bvba >> Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 >> Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 >> http://www.dmp-int.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Dec 5 20:08:27 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 01:08:27 +0000 Subject: RR 2.9.0-dp-2 & VBscript In-Reply-To: <47573E5F.6030607@pdslabs.net> References: <47573E5F.6030607@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: I find that to be a very good way of working if you are dealing with lots of scripts, I have several libraries with lots of AppleScripts in, stored in fields on a hidden card rather than in customprops as I find it makes for much easy editing/updating. replace "*placeholder*" with in tScript is pretty much identical as well... Sorry, no help with the VBScript itself, Ian On 6 Dec 2007, at 00:12, Phil Davis wrote: > Sometimes I have trouble seeing my own syntax "issues' in inline- > built scripts like yours, so I store the script as a whole in a > custom property, then get it and use it as needed. If there are run- > time variations needed in the script, I use "[[placeholder]]" or > some similar tag in the stored script and then > > replace "[[placeholder]]" with in tMyScript > > Maybe that will work in your case! From wow at together.net Wed Dec 5 21:00:42 2007 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:00:42 -0500 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: References: <47573E5F.6030607@pdslabs.net> Message-ID: <8741631C-1DC2-48C5-A74D-5DF82653D3B2@together.net> I'm sure there's an answer somewhere in the archives, but I can't find it. Trying to run Rev cgi on an Intel Mac, 10.4.10. Using the sample "hello.cgi" script. Downloaded the Darwin engine, as per the instructions at the Rev web site. All permissions are set to 755. Error log says: revolution: Can't load stack or script license.rev Premature end of script headers: /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/ hello.cgi What's the solution? Thanks. Richard Miller From chipp at chipp.com Wed Dec 5 21:09:08 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 20:09:08 -0600 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> Klaus, Do you mean to tell me Apple now has files which are bundles, too? I thought only apps were bundles. Sheesh, what a pain! I'm sure Apple designed their file system to be able to handle such thing using standard api calls. They must have-- is it a Rev issue? -C On Dec 5, 2007 7:31 AM, Klaus Major wrote: > > > Hmmm, might be a solution but will of course fail with OS X apps and > files that are actually bundles, > like most iWork documents (Pages, Numbers etc...) From chrisliv at unimelb.edu.au Wed Dec 5 21:10:35 2007 From: chrisliv at unimelb.edu.au (chris livermore) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:10:35 +1100 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: <8741631C-1DC2-48C5-A74D-5DF82653D3B2@together.net> Message-ID: I went through the same process, best to search for "cgi error" in rev archives http://www.mail-archive.com/use-revolution at lists.runrev.com/msg97755.html Regards Chris On 6/12/07 1:00 PM, "Richard Miller" wrote: > I'm sure there's an answer somewhere in the archives, but I can't > find it. > > Trying to run Rev cgi on an Intel Mac, 10.4.10. Using the sample > "hello.cgi" script. Downloaded the Darwin engine, as per the > instructions at the Rev web site. All permissions are set to 755. > > Error log says: > > revolution: Can't load stack or script license.rev > Premature end of script headers: /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/ > hello.cgi > > What's the solution? > > Thanks. > Richard Miller > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution _______________________________________________________ Chris Livermore Office for Psychiatric Evaluation & Educational Newmedia Orygen Research Centre 35 Poplar Rd (Locked Bag 10) Parkville 3052 VIC, Australia email:chrisliv at unimelb.edu.au url: www.psychiatry.unimelb.edu.au/open/ ORYGEN: 03 9342 3772 headspace mobile: 0403 288 504 personal mobile: 0439 738 435 medical multimedia education & training _______________________________________________________ From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Dec 5 21:38:03 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 21:38:03 -0500 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> On Dec 5, 2007, at 9:09 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Do you mean to tell me Apple now has files which are bundles, too? I > thought > only apps were bundles. Sheesh, what a pain! You have been able to use bundles as a file format for as long as I can remember. It's actually a great feature for many applications as you can hide many files (embedded images for example) in what appears to be a single file to the user. Much easier for the user to manage than a folder. I would have used bundles for ScreenSteps if we didn't support Windows. Regards, -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Dec 5 21:44:09 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 02:44:09 +0000 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <66ECAD41-4D8D-4AF7-A291-8E598E2123BA@azurevision.co.uk> On 6 Dec 2007, at 02:09, Chipp Walters wrote: > Do you mean to tell me Apple now has files which are bundles, too? I > thought > only apps were bundles. Sheesh, what a pain! I beg to differ! Lost the original copy of that image in your Pages document? Right-click in the Finder to look inside the package and do a Spotlight search for Kind:Image. Etc. Off the top of my head the list includes: Pages documents and templates Keynote documents and templates iMovie themes, I don't use it enough to know if the docs are as well iDVD docs and templates iPhoto book/web templates GarageBand docs All of these consist of a package containing discrete media files and a bunch of XML files - as a developer I'd rather deal with that any day of the week over binary data. Lastly, the one that's a big deal to me - Aperture. Aperture has two primary levels of organisation the Library (a big package/bundle) which contains all the images you would deal with at a time, and Projects which are the main division within a Library. The Library package contains: A series of smart search presets (which you can add to), The SQLite database that's used for fast(ish) metadata access, Archiving info for the backup function, A 'sub-package' for each Project. Projects are self-contained within Aperture, so they can contain images, organisation structures such as sub-folders and smart albums (like smart folders in the Finder). All metadata etc. from the SQL database is also stored in XML files inside the package. You can import and export Projects via the GUI in Aperture, but if the worst comes to the worst you can simply grab them out of the Library package wholesale via the Finder or a CLI and import into Aperture on another computer. It makes for a robust file structure that is pretty hard to break totally, vital when you're dealing with thousands of photographs. > I'm sure Apple designed their file system to be able to handle such > thing > using standard api calls. They must have-- is it a Rev issue? Rev does fine, it's only a problem when trying to find workarounds for copy functions blocking the Rev app. As far as the OS is concerned it's a file, unless you need to get inside it. Where it CAN be a problem is backup software - some will look inside all the packages, some will copy the whole thing again. Sorry that all turned into a bit of a rant (and not really aimed at Chipp!), but personally I find packages as a document structure to be really handy... Ian From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Wed Dec 5 22:53:56 2007 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 21:53:56 -0600 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: <8741631C-1DC2-48C5-A74D-5DF82653D3B2@together.net> References: <47573E5F.6030607@pdslabs.net> <8741631C-1DC2-48C5-A74D-5DF82653D3B2@together.net> Message-ID: <47577254.2070909@hyperactivesw.com> Richard Miller wrote: > I'm sure there's an answer somewhere in the archives, but I can't find it. > > Trying to run Rev cgi on an Intel Mac, 10.4.10. Using the sample > "hello.cgi" script. Downloaded the Darwin engine, as per the > instructions at the Rev web site. All permissions are set to 755. > > Error log says: > > revolution: Can't load stack or script license.rev > Premature end of script headers: > /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/hello.cgi > > What's the solution? Permissions? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 02:27:48 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2007 23:27:48 -0800 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: <47577254.2070909@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: On 12/5/07 7:53 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > Richard Miller wrote: >> I'm sure there's an answer somewhere in the archives, but I can't find it. >> >> Trying to run Rev cgi on an Intel Mac, 10.4.10. Using the sample >> "hello.cgi" script. Downloaded the Darwin engine, as per the >> instructions at the Rev web site. All permissions are set to 755. >> >> Error log says: >> >> revolution: Can't load stack or script license.rev >> Premature end of script headers: >> /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/hello.cgi >> >> What's the solution? > > Permissions? You need to check the owner/group (Get Info) to see if the 'user' is your login and the apache 'www' is only the group (or not even that, which means 'everyone') Step 1 is to see what group Step 2 is either change the group to 'www' and the permissions to 775 or permissions 777 or owner to 'www' or add the apache 'www' to the existing group... Bottom line is that apache as 'www' needs to have execute permission of '7' If you are using Path Finder (alternative Finder app) this is very easy without requiring Terminal or command line. Hope this helps Jim Ault Las Vegas From chipp at chipp.com Thu Dec 6 02:50:10 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 01:50:10 -0600 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> so, how exactly do you copy a folder full of files when some of them are folders? Let's say I want to copy only the files in folder "temp", and NOT the other folders In windows I do: set the defaultfolder to "temp" get the files repeat for each line L in it put URL ("binfile:" & L) into URL ("binfile:" & myNewPath) end repeat How much more difficult is it on Mac?..assuming you also have to copy creator codes too. On Dec 5, 2007 8:38 PM, Trevor DeVore > > > You have been able to use bundles as a file format for as long as I > can remember. It's actually a great feature for many applications as > you can hide many files (embedded images for example) in what appears > to be a single file to the user. Much easier for the user to manage > than a folder. I would have used bundles for ScreenSteps if we didn't > support Windows. From klaus at major-k.de Thu Dec 6 03:24:15 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:24:15 +0100 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> Hi Chipp, > so, how exactly do you copy a folder full of files when some of > them are > folders? Let's say I want to copy only the files in folder "temp", > and NOT > the other folders > > In windows I do: > > set the defaultfolder to "temp" > get the files > repeat for each line L in it > put URL ("binfile:" & L) into URL ("binfile:" & myNewPath) > end repeat > > How much more difficult is it on Mac?..assuming you also have to copy > creator codes too. on the mac I use -> shell("ditto...") to let the OS handle the files AND bundles including resources and all Mac specifi stuff. Right now this is extremely mentally challenging, see bug # 5549 :-) ... answer file "yadda" ## you can select a bundle file here! ## Obviously this dialog is provided by the Mac OS put there is a file it ## -> FALSE! ## Big fun... AND bundle files do not appear when you "get the files" since they are in fact folders. Please hand me the "Prozac" :-) Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From chipp at chipp.com Thu Dec 6 03:46:58 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 02:46:58 -0600 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 6, 2007 2:24 AM, Klaus Major wrote: > > > Right now this is extremely mentally challenging, see bug # 5549 :-) > ... > answer file "yadda" > ## you can select a bundle file here! > ## Obviously this dialog is provided by the Mac OS > put there is a file it > ## -> FALSE! > ## Big fun... > > AND bundle files do not appear when you "get the files" since they > are in fact folders. > Please hand me the "Prozac" :-) > Hmmm. Then there's no native api that Rev can hook into? Seems like the same guys who programmed QuickTime SMIL support got involved in creating the filesytem too ;-) From klaus at major-k.de Thu Dec 6 05:01:09 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:01:09 +0100 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <510D7F59-2007-415B-96CA-4F7E77FDB41B@major-k.de> Hi Chipp, > On Dec 6, 2007 2:24 AM, Klaus Major wrote: > >> Right now this is extremely mentally challenging, see bug # 5549 :-) >> ... >> answer file "yadda" >> ## you can select a bundle file here! >> ## Obviously this dialog is provided by the Mac OS >> put there is a file it >> ## -> FALSE! >> ## Big fun... >> >> AND bundle files do not appear when you "get the files" since they >> are in fact folders. >> Please hand me the "Prozac" :-) >> > > Hmmm. Then there's no native api that Rev can hook into? I'm afraid not :-/ And Mark Waddingham insists on the fact that these "files" are folders, which one can't deny unfortunately. See his comment on bug 5549. So we will have to parse "the folders", too, if we want to provide these non-files in a list or whatever to the user of our software. > Seems like the same guys who programmed QuickTime SMIL support got > involved in creating the filesytem too ;-) Yep, looks like :-) Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From wow at together.net Thu Dec 6 06:00:27 2007 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:00:27 -0500 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8322B405-4A1B-4241-8278-3369B62C210A@together.net> I've tried all the suggestions so far, but no luck. Does the problem have to do with not having a "license.rev" stack in the cgi folder? None was provided with the Darwin download, so I assumed one wasn't needed. If one is needed, where do I get it? Thanks. Richard On Dec 6, 2007, at 2:27 AM, Jim Ault wrote: > > > > On 12/5/07 7:53 PM, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > >> Richard Miller wrote: >>> I'm sure there's an answer somewhere in the archives, but I can't >>> find it. >>> >>> Trying to run Rev cgi on an Intel Mac, 10.4.10. Using the sample >>> "hello.cgi" script. Downloaded the Darwin engine, as per the >>> instructions at the Rev web site. All permissions are set to 755. >>> >>> Error log says: >>> >>> revolution: Can't load stack or script license.rev >>> Premature end of script headers: >>> /Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables/hello.cgi >>> >>> What's the solution? >> >> Permissions? > > You need to check the owner/group (Get Info) to see if the 'user' > is your > login and the apache 'www' is only the group (or not even that, > which means > 'everyone') > > Step 1 is to see what group > Step 2 is either change the group to 'www' and the permissions to 775 > or permissions 777 > or owner to 'www' > or add the apache 'www' to the existing group... > > Bottom line is that apache as 'www' needs to have execute > permission of '7' > > If you are using Path Finder (alternative Finder app) this is very > easy > without requiring Terminal or command line. > > Hope this helps > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From wow at together.net Thu Dec 6 06:26:33 2007 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 06:26:33 -0500 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm doing more reading through the archives and getting even more confused. Will the Darwin engine run on an Intel Mac? Is ANYTHING else needed in the CGI folder besides the Darwin engine and the hello.cgi script? I see references to other Apache libraries that MAY be needed, but that's not clear to me. I already asked the question about the license.rev stack (is it needed?). Should the hello.cgi script use CR or CRLF? I've tried every possible permission setting and it still does not work. Thanks. Richard Miller From wow at together.net Thu Dec 6 07:14:38 2007 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:14:38 -0500 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22102358-0C7E-4D3E-8CEA-3475C3DBCCDC@together.net> For the heck of it... since there's no documentation I can find on the subject, but the error logs are referencing license.rev... I stuck a license.rev stack (from Rev 2.5) into the cgi folder. This produces an entirely new message in the error log (no longer referencing license.rev): revolution: can't open display revolution exiting on signal 10 [and then the usual error] premature end of script headers Richard From paolo.mazza at neol.it Thu Dec 6 07:12:34 2007 From: paolo.mazza at neol.it (paolo mazza) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:12:34 +0100 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Richard, I am glad to know some more people are using Rev as CGI in OSX. It is a great tool combined to MAcOSX server! How to use Revolution writes: >I'm doing more reading through the archives and getting even more >confused. Will the Darwin engine run on an Intel Mac? This is interesting. I am curious too. It should work but I am not sure about it. > Is ANYTHING >else needed in the CGI folder besides the Darwin engine and the >hello.cgi script? >I see references to other Apache libraries that MAY >be needed, but that's not clear to me. I already asked the question >about the license.rev stack (is it needed?). Should the hello.cgi >script use CR or CRLF? You can use both provided you save the file as text. On the contrary you have to pay attention to the stack format. The old Darwin engine do not read the stacks saved in the latest format so, anytime you have to make a change on these stacks you have to use an old version of revolution. This is a mess.I hope we will find a brand new Darwin engine under the Christmas tree. >I've tried every possible permission setting and it still does not work. As far as I know you just need to put the Darwin engine int the cgi-bin folder and set permission accordingly. > > Here it is some documentation about Revolution as CGI . I hope it helps. The last Darwin engine available is 2.1.2. This version still works fine. You can get it here: A great tutorial: http://www.hyperactivesw.com/cgitutorial/ ... and a message from Andre Garzia and references to his valuable RevHTTP : Hi Folks, I did this announcement on the use-rev mailing list but I guess some people just use the forum so I am posting it here too. I'll also expand my text a little since we have no 18k limit here and I feel like writting. It is with imense happyness that I make available what I came to call RevOnRockets package. This package is a bundle of a web server, libraries and demos, everyting in 100% transcript. The objective is to help the aspiring web developer (and the seasoned one) to create their web applications, the RevHTTP server runs inside the Revolution IDE and is able to run text file based cgis as well as serve files, this alone enables everyone to develop for the web from inside rev, using the debugger!!! Develop and Test your CGIs from inside revolution! This is of course freeware with source. All code is commented, specially the webserver code. I give this to this wonderful community as a token of gratitude for all the years that everyone and his dog helped me! What is included: * RevHTTP - 100% transcript web server with new features and cleaner code. * EasyCGI Core library - a simple library for building text file cgis. * EasySessions - a simple library for session management. * EasyDebug - a error report tool for CGIs. * libCGI compatibilty functions - RevHTTP has a compatible API that allows libCGI based apps to run inside it. * Demos for all libraries and even AJAX demos!!! More documentation is expected as time goes. The demos and the libraries will also have updates. Right now they are very bare but I do like them and use them everyday. Have I mentioned that I commented my code yet? ALL FREE!!!! license is: cannot-blame-the-brazilian-guy-if-it-explodes-public-license 1.0 Have fun! file is here http://andregarzia.com/RevHTTP.zip Launch http.rev and click start! This is the foundations of what I discussed on this post This post. From here now, I'll build plugins and higher level libraries. Anyone in the mood to discuss anything? Cheers, Paolo Mazza From paolo.mazza at neol.it Thu Dec 6 07:24:42 2007 From: paolo.mazza at neol.it (paolo mazza) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 13:24:42 +0100 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: <22102358-0C7E-4D3E-8CEA-3475C3DBCCDC@together.net> References: <22102358-0C7E-4D3E-8CEA-3475C3DBCCDC@together.net> Message-ID: How to use Revolution writes: >For the heck of it... since there's no documentation I can find on >the subject, but the error logs are referencing license.rev... I >stuck a license.rev stack Hi Richard, I am not sure you are in the right track. You do not need to place any license.rev stack in the cgi-bin folder. Just place the the Darwin engine and refer to it as: #!revolution -ui on startup put "Hello" end startup I hope it helps. Ciao Paolo Mazza From wow at together.net Thu Dec 6 07:47:16 2007 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 07:47:16 -0500 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: References: <22102358-0C7E-4D3E-8CEA-3475C3DBCCDC@together.net> Message-ID: <1708A1E5-BA25-4208-B082-14C906E04959@together.net> Paolo, I've done exactly as you say. Nothing in the cgi-bin except for the Darwin engine and the hello.cgi script. The hello.cgi script is definitely saved as a text file. All permissions in the cgi-bin are set to 755. The owner of the cgi-executables folder is my login id. The group is "www" I still get the same error when I try to access the cgi script through my browser: "can't load stack or script license.rev" "premature end of script headers" Any other ideas? I don't know what to try next. Thanks. Richard On Dec 6, 2007, at 7:24 AM, paolo mazza wrote: > How to use Revolution writes: >> For the heck of it... since there's no documentation I can find on >> the subject, but the error logs are referencing license.rev... I >> stuck a license.rev stack > > Hi Richard, > I am not sure you are in the right track. You do not need to place any > license.rev stack in the cgi-bin folder. > Just place the the Darwin engine and refer to it as: > > > #!revolution -ui > on startup > put "Hello" > end startup > > I hope it helps. > > Ciao > > Paolo Mazza > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From paolo.mazza at neol.it Thu Dec 6 08:53:33 2007 From: paolo.mazza at neol.it (paolo mazza) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:53:33 +0100 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: <1708A1E5-BA25-4208-B082-14C906E04959@together.net> References: <1708A1E5-BA25-4208-B082-14C906E04959@together.net> Message-ID: Hello Richard, >I still get the same error when I try to access the cgi script >through my browser: >"can't load stack or script license.rev" >"premature end of script headers" I have never seen this message before. Actually, I do not understand it. Are you using Darwin engine 2.1.2 ? As far as I know this is the last Darwin engine available. You can download it from: http://www.runrev.com/downloads/engines/2.1.2/cgi/osx.zip I guess there is a problem with you engine. Some months ago Mark wrote in this list: > I mean can we use the engine of the standalone as CGI? The -ui option works on all platforms and prevents the engine from doing anything GUI related. Specifically this means that the engine will not attempt to connect to a window server and will not create windows for stacks. This makes it possible to use the standalone engine as a command-script processor from a terminal/shell-script. However, your mileage will vary when attempting to use standard standalone engines as CGIs depending on your system setup. In particular, the OS X engine requires a 'desktop context' to function - this is not generally available when it is run as a CGI engine from a web-server installed on OS X. The reason the Linux standalone engine (will) work as a perfectly good CGI engine in -ui mode is that it's only direct 'desktop' related dependency is the Xlib, which is usually installed regardless of whether a machine is a server or desktop box. Warmest Regards, Mark. How to use Revolution writes: >Paolo, > >I've done exactly as you say. >Nothing in the cgi-bin except for the Darwin engine and the hello.cgi >script. >The hello.cgi script is definitely saved as a text file. >All permissions in the cgi-bin are set to 755. >The owner of the cgi-executables folder is my login id. >The group is "www" > > >Any other ideas? I don't know what to try next. > >Thanks. >Richard ****************************************** Paolo Mazza NEOL SRL Societ? partecipata da Universit? di Padova via N. Tommaseo 84 35131 - Padova (Italy) Tel 049- 2050147 - Fax 049-7964386 www.neol.it From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Thu Dec 6 09:52:49 2007 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 09:52:49 -0500 Subject: LibURLftpCommand error when port is specified In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On 4 Dec 2007, at 22:20, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > >> In the 2.8.1 documentation for LibURLftpCommand, it says I can use a >> non-standard port. The script will not compile with ANY number >> specified as the port, even 21. Any ideas? Is this a bug? > > > > When I try the following here, it works OK: > > put libUrlFtpCommand("PWD", "192.168.1.104:21", "myname", "mypassword") > > I notice that the examples in the docs don't quote the host > parameter. Would that explain what you are seeing? If so, it looks > like a documentation bug. > > Dave Dave - you are correct... this is a documentation defect. Now, I need to be further enlightened on the proper use of the command. I have setup a callback field. When I issue a LIST command, all that I get back is the response "150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls. ", but not the actual list. Is this going into another variable somewhere? Roger Eller From lists at mangomultimedia.com Thu Dec 6 10:28:33 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 10:28:33 -0500 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> On Dec 6, 2007, at 3:46 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Hmmm. Then there's no native api that Rev can hook into? Seems like > the same > guys who programmed QuickTime SMIL support got involved in creating > the > filesytem too ;-) I wouldn't blame the OS X programmers because Revolution doesn't have support for bundles . Just because this isn't straightforward in Revolution doesn't mean it the file system is at fault. The original Revolution syntax just wasn't built with bundles in mind (understandably). Bundles are very well documented and you can find out all sorts of information here: This particular section describes how the finder uses bundles and makes reference to the bundle bit that a folder can have set on it. Rev just doesn't give us direct access to this information. When it comes to copying files/folders Revolution really should have native copy routines that use the file system (with callbacks) rather than making us resort to the shell. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From wow at together.net Thu Dec 6 11:24:05 2007 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 11:24:05 -0500 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: References: <1708A1E5-BA25-4208-B082-14C906E04959@together.net> Message-ID: <118FB9B1-120D-4E76-A39C-7A9A429D5F5B@together.net> Paolo, I am positive I am using the correct engine. I downloaded it again to be sure. What other possibilities exist as the source of this problem? Again: - Nothing in the cgi-bin except for the Darwin engine and the hello.cgi script. - The hello.cgi script is saved as a text file. - All permissions in the cgi-bin are set to 755. - The owner of the cgi-executables folder is my login id. - The group is "www" Thanks. Richard On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:53 AM, paolo mazza wrote: > Hello Richard, > >> I still get the same error when I try to access the cgi script >> through my browser: >> "can't load stack or script license.rev" >> "premature end of script headers" > > I have never seen this message before. Actually, I do not > understand it. > > Are you using Darwin engine 2.1.2 ? As far as I know this is the > last > Darwin engine available. > You can download it from: > http://www.runrev.com/downloads/engines/2.1.2/cgi/osx.zip > > I guess there is a problem with you engine. Some months ago Mark > wrote in > this list: > >> I mean can we use the engine of the standalone as CGI? > > The -ui option works on all platforms and prevents the engine from > doing > anything GUI related. Specifically this means that the engine will not > attempt to connect to a window server and will not create windows for > stacks. This makes it possible to use the standalone engine as a > command-script processor from a terminal/shell-script. > > However, your mileage will vary when attempting to use standard > standalone engines as CGIs depending on your system setup. In > particular, the OS X engine requires a 'desktop context' to function - > this is not generally available when it is run as a CGI engine from a > web-server installed on OS X. > > The reason the Linux standalone engine (will) work as a perfectly good > CGI engine in -ui mode is that it's only direct 'desktop' related > dependency is the Xlib, which is usually installed regardless of > whether > a machine is a server or desktop box. > > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > > > > > How to use Revolution writes: >> Paolo, >> >> I've done exactly as you say. >> Nothing in the cgi-bin except for the Darwin engine and the hello.cgi >> script. >> The hello.cgi script is definitely saved as a text file. >> All permissions in the cgi-bin are set to 755. >> The owner of the cgi-executables folder is my login id. >> The group is "www" >> >> >> Any other ideas? I don't know what to try next. >> >> Thanks. >> Richard > > > ****************************************** > > Paolo Mazza > NEOL SRL > Societ? partecipata da Universit? di Padova > via N. Tommaseo 84 > 35131 - Padova (Italy) > Tel 049- 2050147 - Fax 049-7964386 > www.neol.it > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Thu Dec 6 11:41:23 2007 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:41:23 +0000 Subject: LibURLftpCommand error when port is specified In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E515954-431B-4E96-B064-5589522A81E5@lacscentre.co.uk> On 6 Dec 2007, at 14:52, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: > Now, I need to be > further enlightened on the proper use of the command. I have setup a > callback field. When I issue a LIST command, all that I get back is > the > response "150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for /bin/ls. > ", but not the > actual list. Is this going into another variable somewhere? Sorry, Roger. You're going to be disappointed. The LIST command requires that a separate socket be opened for receiving the data. This is the nature of FTP. Commands and their responses are sent over a "command socket" while data resulting from commands (generally speaking) goes over a "data transfer socket". The results from a LIST command are considered data. libUrlFtpCommand only deals with communication over the command socket. However, if you just want to issue the LIST command, using "get url" with a url that ends in a forward slash (i.e. pointing to a directory, not a file) will do it for you. Cheers Dave From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Dec 6 13:48:18 2007 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:48:18 -0600 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: <118FB9B1-120D-4E76-A39C-7A9A429D5F5B@together.net> References: <1708A1E5-BA25-4208-B082-14C906E04959@together.net> <118FB9B1-120D-4E76-A39C-7A9A429D5F5B@together.net> Message-ID: <475843F2.8000203@hyperactivesw.com> Richard Miller wrote: > Paolo, > > I am positive I am using the correct engine. I downloaded it again to be > sure. > > What other possibilities exist as the source of this problem? > > Again: > - Nothing in the cgi-bin except for the Darwin engine and the hello.cgi > script. > - The hello.cgi script is saved as a text file. > - All permissions in the cgi-bin are set to 755. > - The owner of the cgi-executables folder is my login id. > - The group is "www" I have never seen the "license" error you mentioned. I just downloaded the same engine and tried it on my intel iMac. All I did was drag the engine file to the CGI-Executables folder. From Firefox, I opened a URL to the "echo.mt" test script and I got the "premature end of script header" message, then remembered I hadn't set permissions, so went to Terminal to change the engine permissions to 755. After that, it worked fine. Did you use Terminal to set permissions? The Get Info box won't always work for that. Also, the line endings in your text file should be unix endings (LF). -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From userev at canelasoftware.com Thu Dec 6 13:50:39 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:50:39 -0800 Subject: start player with rtsp://... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F87D9AE-36E7-415B-8A0C-0613ED923562@canelasoftware.com> On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:08 AM, Klaus Major wrote: > I have a player where I set the filename to a "rtsp://..." url > which works fine. > > But when I script: "start player xyz" I see: "-5405: Function not > supported" > (in german) in the QT controllerbar. > > No problems when I click the play button (of the QT controller) > manually. > > What gives? Any hints very appreciated. There is bug: that may be related. I need to give it a run on 2.9 to see if the bug still exists. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From userev at canelasoftware.com Thu Dec 6 13:51:41 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:51:41 -0800 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: <68A78127-9EAA-4E4F-9BEE-C9AA5E0A2758@economy-x-talk.com> References: <68A78127-9EAA-4E4F-9BEE-C9AA5E0A2758@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:29 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > No need to use AppleScript. It should be something like this: > > create alias "/system/library/startupitems/yourapp.alias" to file "/ > volumes/diskimage/yourapp.app" Hi Mark, Thank for this. Unfortunately this did not work. Dragging an alias into the two startup folders I located did nothing on a restart. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From userev at canelasoftware.com Thu Dec 6 13:52:36 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:52:36 -0800 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <277C089D-15A2-46A3-A8EA-2978FF89293C@canelasoftware.com> On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Jim Ault wrote: > User login preferences in OSX allows adding start up items. > Admin privileges required and the user must have permissions that > allow > executing the file. It is true that the OS requested the admin password to get the alias to be dropped into this location. Having the alias in the startup folder had no effect. -Mark From userev at canelasoftware.com Thu Dec 6 13:56:23 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 10:56:23 -0800 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9B0417FB-5543-423C-8A62-FD3741CC6D5F@canelasoftware.com> On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Ian Wood wrote: > > http://bbs.applescript.net/viewtopic.php?id=11314 > > Not tested here, though. > > Hi Ian, Thanks for pointing me to this tip. I am going to give it a run right now. With this particular app, I have the luxury of knowing it will be the only app this computer will run. It is similar in design to a kiosk and takes over the entire computer. Every time the computer is booted, my software must automatically boot up as well. Otherwise, I agree with you whole heartedly. I would have a pref for this so the user could choose. I really need to spend some time learning the basics of Applescript. I am looking at getting the following book. Any comments on books that were helpful to you? Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 14:02:19 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:02:19 -0800 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: <277C089D-15A2-46A3-A8EA-2978FF89293C@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: For me this works: Go system preferences, Accounts then click on the user, then choose 'login items' Add anything to the list using the + button, check mark toggle to have the item start as hidden or visible. This does not involve any alias files, but does require the admin password. Hope this helps you. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 12/6/07 10:52 AM, "Mark Talluto" wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:36 PM, Jim Ault wrote: > >> User login preferences in OSX allows adding start up items. >> Admin privileges required and the user must have permissions that >> allow >> executing the file. > > > It is true that the OS requested the admin password to get the alias > to be dropped into this location. Having the alias in the startup > folder had no effect. > > -Mark > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sims at ezpzapps.com Thu Dec 6 14:04:01 2007 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:04:01 +0100 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: References: <68A78127-9EAA-4E4F-9BEE-C9AA5E0A2758@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <11007D35-4D35-435D-BCDC-0C1A12C065CB@ezpzapps.com> On Dec 6, 2007, at 7:51 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: > On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:29 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > >> No need to use AppleScript. It should be something like this: >> >> create alias "/system/library/startupitems/yourapp.alias" to file >> "/volumes/diskimage/yourapp.app" > > > Hi Mark, > > Thank for this. Unfortunately this did not work. Dragging an > alias into the two startup folders I located did nothing on a restart. > I've used the following (requires System Events)... In my preferences I have this script somewhere: if the platform is "MacOS" then put the defaultFolder into tDF put the u_AutoOSX_one of this stack & tDF &the u_AutoOSX_two of this stack into tAS do tAS as Applescript end if I also have the two items as custom properties: u_AutoOSX_one ---------------- tell application "System Events" get exists login item "MY_APP_NAME" if result is false then make new login item at end of login items with properties {path:" u_AutoOSX_two ----------------- /Desk Doctor.app", hidden:true, kind:application, name:"MY_APP_NAME"} end if end tell HTH sims From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Thu Dec 6 14:11:07 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 11:11:07 -0800 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: <9B0417FB-5543-423C-8A62-FD3741CC6D5F@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: You won't find many people who know more about AppleScript that Sal and Bill. Check out the long-running site and very well categorized http://applescriptsourcebook.com/ There are strange concepts that you need to get your head around or fall into hours of aggravation, eg repeat looping, get info, dictionaries that vary between vendors. The best learning is to see well-designed finished scripts and deconstruct them... live in script editor. Another step, if you are serious about going down the path is to consider the free editor program called Smile. Far better than Script Editor. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 12/6/07 10:56 AM, "Mark Talluto" wrote: > > On Dec 5, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Ian Wood wrote: >> >> http://bbs.applescript.net/viewtopic.php?id=11314 >> >> Not tested here, though. >> >> > > Hi Ian, > > Thanks for pointing me to this tip. I am going to give it a run > right now. > With this particular app, I have the luxury of knowing it will be the > only app this computer will run. It is similar in design to a kiosk > and takes over the entire computer. Every time the computer is > booted, my software must automatically boot up as well. Otherwise, I > agree with you whole heartedly. I would have a pref for this so the > user could choose. > > I really need to spend some time learning the basics of Applescript. > I am looking at getting the following book. Any comments on books > that were helpful to you? > > z=y&EAN=9780321149312&itm=3> > > > Mark Talluto From sims at ezpzapps.com Thu Dec 6 14:09:17 2007 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:09:17 +0100 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: <11007D35-4D35-435D-BCDC-0C1A12C065CB@ezpzapps.com> References: <68A78127-9EAA-4E4F-9BEE-C9AA5E0A2758@economy-x-talk.com> <11007D35-4D35-435D-BCDC-0C1A12C065CB@ezpzapps.com> Message-ID: On Dec 6, 2007, at 8:04 PM, Jim Sims wrote: > > I've used the following (requires System Events)... I also have (if the prefs indicate they no longer want auto start): tell application "System Events" get exists login item "MY_APP_NAME" if result is true then delete login item "MY_APP_NAME" end if end tell HTH sims From chipp at chipp.com Thu Dec 6 14:12:33 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 13:12:33 -0600 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> Trevor, Windows has the following function in their api: CopyFile(FROM, TO, OVERWRITE) [CORE] The Win32::CopyFile() function copies an existing file to a new file. All file information like creation time and file attributes will be copied to the new file. This sort of function has been present in api's (including system 9 Macs) since I've been programming. I just don't understand why it's Rev's fault that Apple's current OS doesn't support something as basic as "copyfile" for ALL their files? At the least, it appears a good candidate for a third party library from someone here. best, Chipp On Dec 6, 2007 9:28 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > I wouldn't blame the OS X programmers because Revolution doesn't have > support for bundles . Just because this isn't straightforward in > Revolution doesn't mean it the file system is at fault. The original > Revolution syntax just wasn't built with bundles in mind > (understandably). From mark at maseurope.net Thu Dec 6 15:02:58 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:02:58 +0000 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <57C41E95-4EA3-4FD9-825F-BDA778AE2D3E@maseurope.net> On the other hand, a package is really a folder, it's just treated by the finder as a single thing for the convenience of the user. Maybe not so convenient for the developer copying stuff around, but then it's no bad thing, IMO, that users' convenience takes priority over developers'. Perhaps it would be useful if Rev added a third category to files and folders - packages, though a function that filtered 'the folders' based on the presence of the file "/Contents/info.plist" might work well enough. function thePackages put the folders into foList repeat for each line L in foList if there is a file (L & "/Contents/info.plist") then put L & cr after packageList end repeat return char 1 to -2 of packageList end thePackages Best, Mark On 6 Dec 2007, at 19:12, Chipp Walters wrote: > Trevor, > > Windows has the following function in their api: > > CopyFile(FROM, TO, OVERWRITE) > [CORE] The Win32::CopyFile() function copies an existing file to a > new file. All file information like creation time and file attributes > will be copied to the new file. > > This sort of function has been present in api's (including system 9 > Macs) since I've been programming. I just don't understand why it's > Rev's fault that Apple's current OS doesn't support something as basic > as "copyfile" for ALL their files? > > At the least, it appears a good candidate for a third party library > from someone here. > > best, > Chipp > > On Dec 6, 2007 9:28 AM, Trevor DeVore > wrote: > >> I wouldn't blame the OS X programmers because Revolution doesn't have >> support for bundles . Just because this isn't straightforward in >> Revolution doesn't mean it the file system is at fault. The original >> Revolution syntax just wasn't built with bundles in mind >> (understandably). > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From userev at canelasoftware.com Thu Dec 6 15:33:21 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:33:21 -0800 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:02 AM, Jim Ault wrote: > For me this works: > > Go system preferences, Accounts > then click on the user, then choose 'login items' > > Add anything to the list using the + button, check mark toggle to > have the > item start as hidden or visible. > > This does not involve any alias files, but does require the admin > password. > > Hope this helps you. > > Hi Jim, My distributors are doing this now. I am trying to speed up the process of setting up a new Mac to improve distribution speed. I will be working to have my software automatically manage things like: auto starting, energy savings, screen saver, and network device settings. Anything we can do to get these and included peripherals set up stuff down to a single click, the better for us all in the end. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From userev at canelasoftware.com Thu Dec 6 15:36:15 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:36:15 -0800 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1E2C31E9-5C06-4625-B2CA-D63DCE95B022@canelasoftware.com> On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:11 AM, Jim Ault wrote: > You won't find many people who know more about AppleScript that Sal > and > Bill. > Check out the long-running site and very well categorized > > http://applescriptsourcebook.com/ > > There are strange concepts that you need to get your head around or > fall > into hours of aggravation, eg repeat looping, get info, > dictionaries that > vary between vendors. The best learning is to see well-designed > finished > scripts and deconstruct them... live in script editor. > > Another step, if you are serious about going down the path is to > consider > the free editor program called Smile. Far better than Script Editor. Thanks Jim, I will be using that resource for sure! There is so much to learn. Makes getting up every morning that much sweeter. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From userev at canelasoftware.com Thu Dec 6 15:37:59 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 12:37:59 -0800 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: <11007D35-4D35-435D-BCDC-0C1A12C065CB@ezpzapps.com> References: <68A78127-9EAA-4E4F-9BEE-C9AA5E0A2758@economy-x-talk.com> <11007D35-4D35-435D-BCDC-0C1A12C065CB@ezpzapps.com> Message-ID: On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Jim Sims wrote: > I've used the following (requires System Events)... > > In my preferences I have this script somewhere: > > if the platform is "MacOS" then > put the defaultFolder into tDF > put the u_AutoOSX_one of this stack & tDF &the u_AutoOSX_two > of this stack into tAS > do tAS as Applescript > end if > > > I also have the two items as custom properties: > > u_AutoOSX_one > ---------------- > tell application "System Events" > get exists login item "MY_APP_NAME" > if result is false then > make new login item at end of login items with properties {path:" > > > u_AutoOSX_two > ----------------- > /Desk Doctor.app", hidden:true, kind:application, name:"MY_APP_NAME"} > end if > end tell Thanks Jim! I am all set. Extra thanks for turning it off in your other post. I will get this all set up for Ken Ray. Maybe this would be a good addition to his website. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Thu Dec 6 16:32:38 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 16:32:38 -0500 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 6, 2007, at 2:12 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Windows has the following function in their api: > > CopyFile(FROM, TO, OVERWRITE) > [CORE] The Win32::CopyFile() function copies an existing file to a > new file. All file information like creation time and file attributes > will be copied to the new file. > > This sort of function has been present in api's (including system 9 > Macs) since I've been programming. I just don't understand why it's > Rev's fault that Apple's current OS doesn't support something as basic > as "copyfile" for ALL their files? Chipp, I think I may have missed something earlier in this thread. Why do you think that OS X doesn't have an API for copying bundles (really folders)? I just did a quick search in XCode and saw FSCopyObjectSync. It takes a pointer to the source object to copy. The object can be a file or a directory so it doesn't matter if you pass a file or a folder. In any case, Rev doesn't provide direct access to CopyFile on Windows or FSCopyObjectSync on OS X. They use Revolution code in the handlers revCopyFile and revCopyFolder which call command line tools. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu Dec 6 16:35:21 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:35:21 +0000 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <19C2BC5C-DFE8-4F2A-9177-FCA6A37B12BB@azurevision.co.uk> On 6 Dec 2007, at 19:12, Chipp Walters wrote: > CopyFile(FROM, TO, OVERWRITE) > [CORE] The Win32::CopyFile() function copies an existing file to a > new file. All file information like creation time and file attributes > will be copied to the new file. > > This sort of function has been present in api's (including system 9 > Macs) since I've been programming. I just don't understand why it's > Rev's fault that Apple's current OS doesn't support something as basic > as "copyfile" for ALL their files? Chipp, you're aware that both answer file and revcopyfile both WORK on packages without any tweaks at all? The copying problems are occurring because revcopyfile is blocking and people are trying to come up with non-blocking *workarounds* - because it's not always acceptable for the app to lock up for the length of a 1GB file copy operation. Ian From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu Dec 6 16:39:57 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:39:57 +0000 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: <9B0417FB-5543-423C-8A62-FD3741CC6D5F@canelasoftware.com> References: <9B0417FB-5543-423C-8A62-FD3741CC6D5F@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: On 6 Dec 2007, at 18:56, Mark Talluto wrote: > > I really need to spend some time learning the basics of > Applescript. I am looking at getting the following book. Any > comments on books that were helpful to you? > > z=y&EAN=9780321149312&itm=3> Sal Soghoian is basically 'Mr. Automation' at Apple, so he should certainly know his stuff. I've mostly learned AppleScript through tweaking other people's scripts until I could work out what was going on. Ian From meitnik at bellsouth.net Thu Dec 6 17:10:42 2007 From: meitnik at bellsouth.net (Andrew Meit) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:10:42 -0500 Subject: Selling my Enterprise license Message-ID: <506EA972-C773-492E-9CC8-A250247418EC@bellsouth.net> Happy Holidays folks, Due to my needing funds for medical reasons I am selling my Revolution Enterprise 2.7.1 edition for $100.00. A new license is $999.00, the renewal pack for my license is $499.00. (Heather, if its different let me know, thanks.) From today to Jan 31 my offer stands. My pricing gives a hefty discount. :-) Rev knows of my offer and is allowing me to sell it. Please contact me off list, thank you. Shalom, Andrew {Choose Life, Create Hope, Nurture Love, Wrestle Faith...} From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 18:46:24 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 07:46:24 +0800 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: References: <9B0417FB-5543-423C-8A62-FD3741CC6D5F@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: On Dec 7, 2007 3:11 AM, Jim Ault wrote: Another step, if you are serious about going down the path is to consider > the free editor program called Smile. Far better than Script Editor. > > Jim is spot on the money with his recommendation of Smile, you'll find it here: http://www.satimage.fr/software/en/downloads/index.html There are two versions, a paid, extremely powerful version, and a free script editor. If you really do like waking up in the morning and learning, as apposed to say, wasting your time, then give Apple's ScriptEditor a miss and go with Smile. :-) From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 19:07:28 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:07:28 +0800 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <19C2BC5C-DFE8-4F2A-9177-FCA6A37B12BB@azurevision.co.uk> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <19C2BC5C-DFE8-4F2A-9177-FCA6A37B12BB@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: On Dec 7, 2007 5:35 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > > The copying problems are occurring because revcopyfile is blocking > and people are trying to come up with non-blocking *workarounds* > Thanks Ian for getting us back on track! I've been been waiting with baited breathe for someone to provide a 'wow isn't Rev cool' solution to this problem, but ended up almost sufficating because we somehow got sidetracked on separating the files and folders from an OSX bundle/package/app. Don't care, OSX files, folders bundles/package/apps work fine for me, I just NEED a workaround for my app to keep going whilst it's also copying 40GB of data. I'll return to baited breathe status in the hope for that 'cool Rev' solution. From mark at maseurope.net Thu Dec 6 19:10:41 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:10:41 +0000 Subject: RevBrowser and java applets Message-ID: Has anyone had any luck with running java applets in revBrowser on OS X. The one I'm trying to use seems to load ok, but while I can select options from it's menus, the selections have no effect... If anyone wants to try it, the url is "http://www.bullionvault.com/ gold-price-chart.do" Any help gratefully recieved. Mark From mark at maseurope.net Thu Dec 6 19:27:06 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:27:06 +0000 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <19C2BC5C-DFE8-4F2A-9177-FCA6A37B12BB@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <38C2F67C-FCFF-4C1E-AB2C-6D1B589CA940@maseurope.net> Well this will be non-blocking, but I don't think there's a way to monitor progress since ditto only produces any info when the copy is done, even with the -v (verbose) option. I think it's the same story with cp. on shellCopy pSource, pDest get shell("ditto" && pSource && pDest && "> /dev/null 2>&1 &") end shellCopy This works on OS X, and I'd think Linux. there must be an equivalent on Windows. Best, Mark On 7 Dec 2007, at 00:07, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Dec 7, 2007 5:35 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > >> >> The copying problems are occurring because revcopyfile is blocking >> and people are trying to come up with non-blocking *workarounds* >> > > Thanks Ian for getting us back on track! > > I've been been waiting with baited breathe for someone to provide a > 'wow > isn't Rev cool' solution to this problem, but ended up almost > sufficating > because we somehow got sidetracked on separating the files and > folders from > an OSX bundle/package/app. Don't care, OSX files, folders > bundles/package/apps work fine for me, I just NEED a workaround for > my app > to keep going whilst it's also copying 40GB of data. > > I'll return to baited breathe status in the hope for that 'cool Rev' > solution. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mark at maseurope.net Thu Dec 6 19:34:13 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 00:34:13 +0000 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <38C2F67C-FCFF-4C1E-AB2C-6D1B589CA940@maseurope.net> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <19C2BC5C-DFE8-4F2A-9177-FCA6A37B12BB@azurevision.co.uk> <38C2F67C-FCFF-4C1E-AB2C-6D1B589CA940@maseurope.net> Message-ID: <74FF9CA7-6961-4DB6-A3D7-A023B9BF4D04@maseurope.net> The windows versions can be found here: http://www.ss64.com/nt/index.html COPY, XCOPY, and ROBOCOPY look like the ones. Best, Mark On 7 Dec 2007, at 00:27, Mark Smith wrote: > > This works on OS X, and I'd think Linux. there must be an > equivalent on Windows. > From josh at dvcreators.net Thu Dec 6 20:22:11 2007 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:22:11 -0800 Subject: encrypt not working in Leopard? Message-ID: <61FBBC3E-70F2-40AF-A56B-DF1E683523DF@dvcreators.net> Has anyone else run into a problem with "encrypt" or "decrypt" in OS X 10.5 ("Leopard")? We have tried using "blowfish" and "bf-ecb", but on Leopard systems (dev environment and standalone), it just doesn't execute the command. For example: function lbencrypt tData encrypt tData using "blowfish" with password "jeepers" answer it end lbencrypt the result is simply the original parameter. (On WinXP, Vista, and OS X 10.4 the result is the encrypted data.) From wow at together.net Thu Dec 6 20:27:33 2007 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 20:27:33 -0500 Subject: OS X cgi error In-Reply-To: <475843F2.8000203@hyperactivesw.com> References: <1708A1E5-BA25-4208-B082-14C906E04959@together.net> <118FB9B1-120D-4E76-A39C-7A9A429D5F5B@together.net> <475843F2.8000203@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Finally got it. My ftp client was altering the files as they were being sent to the server. Had to switch to binary transfer from ASCII. Along with all the other suggestions, it's now working. Thanks to all of you for your help. Richard On Dec 6, 2007, at 1:48 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Richard Miller wrote: >> Paolo, >> I am positive I am using the correct engine. I downloaded it again >> to be sure. >> What other possibilities exist as the source of this problem? >> Again: >> - Nothing in the cgi-bin except for the Darwin engine and the >> hello.cgi script. >> - The hello.cgi script is saved as a text file. >> - All permissions in the cgi-bin are set to 755. >> - The owner of the cgi-executables folder is my login id. >> - The group is "www" > > I have never seen the "license" error you mentioned. I just > downloaded the same engine and tried it on my intel iMac. All I did > was drag the engine file to the CGI-Executables folder. From > Firefox, I opened a URL to the "echo.mt" test script and I got the > "premature end of script header" message, then remembered I hadn't > set permissions, so went to Terminal to change the engine > permissions to 755. After that, it worked fine. Did you use > Terminal to set permissions? The Get Info box won't always work for > that. Also, the line endings in your text file should be unix > endings (LF). > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 20:33:02 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:33:02 +0800 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <66ECAD41-4D8D-4AF7-A291-8E598E2123BA@azurevision.co.uk> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <66ECAD41-4D8D-4AF7-A291-8E598E2123BA@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: On Dec 6, 2007 10:44 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > > > Off the top of my head the list includes: > Pages documents and templates > Keynote documents and templates > iMovie themes, I don't use it enough to know if the docs are as well > iDVD docs and templates > iPhoto book/web templates > GarageBand docs > > All of these consist of a package containing discrete media files and > a bunch of XML files - as a developer I'd rather deal with that any > day of the week over binary data. > Couldn't agree more. NeoOffice (OpenOffice) and TextEdit RTF files are also packages containing Text and Image files. I like to think of them like webpages, if you know where things are and what their name is, then it's very easy to use Rev to manipulate an RTF, iMovie or any such document (package). Try using Rev to change the images in a .doc file. Yes there are disadvantage of disguising folders and files as a single app or document (rtf,movie,keynote), but they are far outweighed by the advantages. Think of what the web would be like if every web page were in fact a single .doc file;-) From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com Thu Dec 6 20:39:15 2007 From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 19:39:15 -0600 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <66ECAD41-4D8D-4AF7-A291-8E598E2123BA@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <4758A443.6030804@dreamscapesoftware.com> Kay C Lan wrote: > Think of what the web would be like if every web page were in > fact a single .doc file;-) Oh please don't give Microsoft any more ideas. I couldn't bear the pain. Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com ___________________________________________________________________ Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Dec 6 20:45:35 2007 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2007 17:45:35 -0800 Subject: My somewhat Off-Topic post of the day Message-ID: Laptops designed by 7-year-olds: http://www.themorningnews.org/archives/galleries/the_laptop_club/ (somewhat off-topic because I'm always interested in new ideas for user interfaces...) -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Thu Dec 6 21:01:38 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:01:38 +0800 Subject: My somewhat Off-Topic post of the day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 7, 2007 9:45 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Laptops designed by 7-year-olds: > > I see Alana, age 8, is one IT savvy little girl, clearly destined for great things. Not only does she provide a button for direct access to the firewall, but also single button access to friends Emma and Dana. The button for the maid is sure to be a smash hit. Clearly a hip and happening girl with single click to iTunes and iPhone. My prediction though is with a UI like that, she won't be designing Apple's Xth gen iPod;-) From sims at ezpzapps.com Fri Dec 7 00:29:54 2007 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 06:29:54 +0100 Subject: encrypt not working in Leopard? In-Reply-To: <61FBBC3E-70F2-40AF-A56B-DF1E683523DF@dvcreators.net> References: <61FBBC3E-70F2-40AF-A56B-DF1E683523DF@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <6C4746F0-DA59-425F-A898-6506E87D2747@ezpzapps.com> On Dec 7, 2007, at 2:22 AM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > Has anyone else run into a problem with "encrypt" or "decrypt" in > OS X 10.5 ("Leopard")? > > We have tried using "blowfish" and "bf-ecb", but on Leopard systems > (dev environment and standalone), it just doesn't execute the command. I just fired up Leopard (I'm only using it from an external HD for testing until 10.5.2 comes out) and then used Rev 2.8.1 and the Encryption Made Easy stack from Bill Vlahos. Worked as advertised. sims From revdev at pdslabs.net Fri Dec 7 00:51:19 2007 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2007 21:51:19 -0800 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <19C2BC5C-DFE8-4F2A-9177-FCA6A37B12BB@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <4758DF57.2040308@pdslabs.net> Am I missing something, or couldn't you accomplish the goal with 3 handlers like this? on startMyCopy pFromFilePath, pToFilePath open file pFromFilePath for binary read open file pToFilePath for binary write doMyCopy pFromFilePath, pToFilePath end startMyCopy on doMyCopy pFromFilePath, pToFilePath read from file pFromFilePath for 32767 if the result = "eof" then send ("endMyCopy" && pFromFilePath, pToFilePath) to me in 1 tick exit doMyCopy end if write tDataSegment to file pToFilePath send ("doMyCopy" && pFromFilePath, pToFilePath) to me in 1 tick end doMyCopy on endMyCopy pFromFilePath, pToFilePath close file pFromFilePath close file pToFilePath answer "Copy is complete!" end endMyCopy Obviously you would have to include a 'bundle tree walker' approach for bundles, but it seems to me like this would be non-blocking. Phil Davis Kay C Lan wrote: > On Dec 7, 2007 5:35 AM, Ian Wood wrote: > > >> The copying problems are occurring because revcopyfile is blocking >> and people are trying to come up with non-blocking *workarounds* >> >> > > Thanks Ian for getting us back on track! > > I've been been waiting with baited breathe for someone to provide a 'wow > isn't Rev cool' solution to this problem, but ended up almost sufficating > because we somehow got sidetracked on separating the files and folders from > an OSX bundle/package/app. Don't care, OSX files, folders > bundles/package/apps work fine for me, I just NEED a workaround for my app > to keep going whilst it's also copying 40GB of data. > > I'll return to baited breathe status in the hope for that 'cool Rev' > solution. From luis at anachreon.co.uk Fri Dec 7 04:15:21 2007 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:15:21 +0000 Subject: My somewhat Off-Topic post of the day In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41394B37-E3A6-4753-A470-42E043E9C3BE@anachreon.co.uk> Isn't that the same as what OS 9 had with Launcher? Cheers, Luis. On 7 Dec 2007, at 02:01, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Dec 7, 2007 9:45 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > >> Laptops designed by 7-year-olds: >> >> > > > I see Alana, age 8, is one IT savvy little girl, clearly destined > for great > things. Not only does she provide a button for direct access to the > firewall, but also single button access to friends Emma and Dana. > The button > for the maid is sure to be a smash hit. Clearly a hip and happening > girl > with single click to iTunes and iPhone. > > My prediction though is with a UI like that, she won't be designing > Apple's > Xth gen iPod;-) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From chipp at chipp.com Fri Dec 7 05:15:16 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:15:16 -0600 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712070215s3f1ab57bx6459ae31dca3217@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 6, 2007 3:32 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > > Chipp, > > I think I may have missed something earlier in this thread. Why do you > think that OS X doesn't have an API for copying bundles (really > folders)? I just did a quick search in XCode and saw FSCopyObjectSync. > It takes a pointer to the source object to copy. The object can be a > file or a directory so it doesn't matter if you pass a file or a folder. > Trevor, Earlier I asked if Apple had such an api, and Klaus answered, "I'm afraid not :-/" So, I just assumed they didn't have one. That's the confusion. If they have one, it seems Rev should be able to implement it. Ian, sorry, don't use revCopyfile, and especially not revDeleteFile as I once passed it a empty string and it deleted the contents of my hard drive! I prefer the "put URL into URL" syntax. From klaus at major-k.de Fri Dec 7 05:24:39 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:24:39 +0100 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712070215s3f1ab57bx6459ae31dca3217@mail.gmail.com> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <7aa52a210712070215s3f1ab57bx6459ae31dca3217@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <623AE12B-A64A-4DCE-A8A7-E63DE1189EE3@major-k.de> Hi Chipp, > On Dec 6, 2007 3:32 PM, Trevor DeVore > wrote: >> Chipp, >> >> I think I may have missed something earlier in this thread. Why do >> you >> think that OS X doesn't have an API for copying bundles (really >> folders)? I just did a quick search in XCode and saw >> FSCopyObjectSync. >> It takes a pointer to the source object to copy. The object can be a >> file or a directory so it doesn't matter if you pass a file or a >> folder. >> Trevor, > Earlier I asked if Apple had such an api, and Klaus answered, "I'm > afraid > not :-/" Yes, my fault, shame on the ignorant! > So, I just assumed they didn't have one. That's the confusion. If > they have > one, it seems Rev should be able to implement it. > > Ian, sorry, don't use revCopyfile, and especially not revDeleteFile > as I > once passed it a empty string and it deleted the contents of my > hard drive! Really? OUCH! > I prefer the "put URL into URL" syntax. Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From chipp at chipp.com Fri Dec 7 05:41:34 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:41:34 -0600 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <66ECAD41-4D8D-4AF7-A291-8E598E2123BA@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712070241q4e2ad7c7ga418232603d08b20@mail.gmail.com> Kay and Ian, Perhaps you both, being such fans of the simplicity and elegance of bundles, wouldn't mind starting a revLibrary which provides file operations on files/folders/bundles and share it with us less enlightened? When I said "what a pain", I was referring to having to program around bundles, as my previous example referred to. I've little experience programming file handlers and functions for managing folders which are actually files...er bundles. I suppose it's easier for those of you who routinely program on the Mac. Here are some I'd like to see implemented, and might provide you a start... get theNewFiles() returns a list of files in a folder..even if a file is a folder. get theNewFolders() returns a list of folders...minus the folders which are supposed to be files NewCopyFile pStartPath,pDestinationPath which copies files and folders which are supposed to be files...keeping their creator and type codes intact. (is this the same as a revCopyFile?) NewCopyFolder pStartFolderPath,pDestinationFolderPath NewDeleteFile pFilepath (doesn't delete every file on the drive if passed an empty param, should also delete folders which are supposed to be files) NewDeleteFolder pFolderPath, I suppose answer file returns the pathname for a budle as a single entity? If, so, how does one know if it's a folder or file they are actually working on? Seems complicated w/out the handlers and functions above. Maybe others can think of more? -Chipp From toncardona at mac.com Fri Dec 7 05:42:13 2007 From: toncardona at mac.com (Ton Cardona) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:42:13 +0100 Subject: Accents Message-ID: <317CDB34-1DDE-4E58-B841-BA018C2C0DB8@mac.com> I am using rev 2.8.1 and Mac OS X version 10.4.11 I type in a script: answer "?Cu?l?" and in the box i get jCu3l? I type ?Cu?l? in a fld "xxx" and write answer fld "xxx"; I get tha same result: jCu3l? Any hints? Thanks Ton Cardona From chipp at chipp.com Fri Dec 7 05:44:44 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 04:44:44 -0600 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <623AE12B-A64A-4DCE-A8A7-E63DE1189EE3@major-k.de> References: <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <7aa52a210712070215s3f1ab57bx6459ae31dca3217@mail.gmail.com> <623AE12B-A64A-4DCE-A8A7-E63DE1189EE3@major-k.de> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712070244y653d1793u6d8b8eef8b14bc3a@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 7, 2007 4:24 AM, Klaus Major > > Ian, sorry, don't use revCopyfile, and especially not revDeleteFile > > as I > > once passed it a empty string and it deleted the contents of my > > hard drive! > > Really? OUCH! I do recall uttering rather loudly some four letter words which shan't be repeated here-- OUCH not one of them ;-) From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 05:56:48 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:56:48 +1000 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712070244y653d1793u6d8b8eef8b14bc3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <7aa52a210712070215s3f1ab57bx6459ae31dca3217@mail.gmail.com> <623AE12B-A64A-4DCE-A8A7-E63DE1189EE3@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712070244y653d1793u6d8b8eef8b14bc3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: > > > Ian, sorry, don't use revCopyfile, and especially not revDeleteFile > > > as I > > > once passed it a empty string and it deleted the contents of my > > > hard drive! > > > > Really? OUCH! > > I do recall uttering rather loudly some four letter words which shan't > be repeated here-- OUCH not one of them ;-) I can imagine! Did you file a bug report for this one Chipp? It certainly needs to be fixed urgently if it hasn't been already, but I can't imagine anyone willing to test it deliberately :-) Cheers, Sarah From klaus at major-k.de Fri Dec 7 05:58:53 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:58:53 +0100 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712070244y653d1793u6d8b8eef8b14bc3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <7aa52a210712070215s3f1ab57bx6459ae31dca3217@mail.gmail.com> <623AE12B-A64A-4DCE-A8A7-E63DE1189EE3@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712070244y653d1793u6d8b8eef8b14bc3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8679750E-8665-46C0-8E47-AF690EC8375C@major-k.de> Hi Chipp, On Dec 7, 2007 4:24 AM, Klaus Major >>> Ian, sorry, don't use revCopyfile, and especially not revDeleteFile >>> as I >>> once passed it a empty string and it deleted the contents of my >>> hard drive! >> >> Really? OUCH! > > I do recall uttering rather loudly some four letter words which shan't > be repeated here-- OUCH not one of them ;-) I know what you mean: BEEP! Right? ;-) > Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Dec 7 06:01:58 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:01:58 +0100 Subject: Accents In-Reply-To: <317CDB34-1DDE-4E58-B841-BA018C2C0DB8@mac.com> References: <317CDB34-1DDE-4E58-B841-BA018C2C0DB8@mac.com> Message-ID: <7571B3E9-02E5-4205-9BA3-EF5E272C4DFC@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Ton, A quick workaround is this: put "?Cu?l?" into fld "xxx" answer information the htmlText of fld "xxx" with "Thanks" Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 7-dec-2007, om 11:42 heeft Ton Cardona het volgende geschreven: > I am using rev 2.8.1 and Mac OS X version 10.4.11 > > I type in a script: > > answer "?Cu?l?" > > and in the box i get > > jCu3l? > > I type ?Cu?l? in a fld "xxx" and write answer fld "xxx"; I get tha > same result: jCu3l? > > Any hints? > > Thanks > > Ton Cardona_______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Dec 7 06:07:08 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:07:08 +0100 Subject: Accents In-Reply-To: <7571B3E9-02E5-4205-9BA3-EF5E272C4DFC@economy-x-talk.com> References: <317CDB34-1DDE-4E58-B841-BA018C2C0DB8@mac.com> <7571B3E9-02E5-4205-9BA3-EF5E272C4DFC@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <3D8EEC51-8EF3-43FE-B042-B62072BA301B@economy-x-talk.com> Actually... using Rev 2.8.1 and Mac OS X 10.4.11, I can't reproduce the problem here. If you try answer "hello" do you still get "jCu3l"? ;-) I have no idea what causes this problem, but using htmlText might still help. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 7-dec-2007, om 12:01 heeft Mark Schonewille het volgende geschreven: > Hi Ton, > > A quick workaround is this: > > put "?Cu?l?" into fld "xxx" > answer information the htmlText of fld "xxx" with "Thanks" > > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > > Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. > http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com > > > Op 7-dec-2007, om 11:42 heeft Ton Cardona het volgende geschreven: > >> I am using rev 2.8.1 and Mac OS X version 10.4.11 >> >> I type in a script: >> >> answer "?Cu?l?" >> >> and in the box i get >> >> jCu3l? >> >> I type ?Cu?l? in a fld "xxx" and write answer fld "xxx"; I get tha >> same result: jCu3l? >> >> Any hints? >> >> Thanks >> From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Fri Dec 7 06:47:40 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:47:40 +0000 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <8679750E-8665-46C0-8E47-AF690EC8375C@major-k.de> References: <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <7aa52a210712070215s3f1ab57bx6459ae31dca3217@mail.gmail.com> <623AE12B-A64A-4DCE-A8A7-E63DE1189EE3@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712070244y653d1793u6d8b8eef8b14bc3a@mail.gmail.com> <8679750E-8665-46C0-8E47-AF690EC8375C@major-k.de> Message-ID: On 7 Dec 2007, at 10:58, Klaus Major wrote: >> I do recall uttering rather loudly some four letter words which >> shan't >> be repeated here-- OUCH not one of them ;-) > > I know what you mean: BEEP! > Right? ;-) Possibly even BEEP-beep-beepitty-BEEEEEP! I certainly would have... Ian From wow at together.net Fri Dec 7 06:58:23 2007 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 06:58:23 -0500 Subject: start player with rtsp://... In-Reply-To: <6F87D9AE-36E7-415B-8A0C-0613ED923562@canelasoftware.com> References: <6F87D9AE-36E7-415B-8A0C-0613ED923562@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: <48EF2C92-BFEF-4C93-BED2-43EFE2607D43@together.net> Mark, As I recall, I had the same problem and discovered I needed to create a new, identical player (by script), and delete the old player, every time I needed the player to play an rtsp url. Then the "start player" command would work fine. Before creating the new player, of course, the script should keep track of all the relevant information about the previous player (rect, borders, alwaysbuffer, showController, etc.) so it can seamlessly create a new player without the user seeing what is happening. Yes... this is a workaround for a bug. Richard On Dec 6, 2007, at 1:50 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: > > On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:08 AM, Klaus Major wrote: > >> I have a player where I set the filename to a "rtsp://..." url >> which works fine. >> >> But when I script: "start player xyz" I see: "-5405: Function not >> supported" >> (in german) in the QT controllerbar. >> >> No problems when I click the play button (of the QT controller) >> manually. >> >> What gives? Any hints very appreciated. > > > There is bug: id=1239> that may be related. I need to give it a run on 2.9 to > see if the bug still exists. > > > Mark Talluto > -- > CANELA Software > http://www.canelasoftware.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Fri Dec 7 07:21:16 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:21:16 +0000 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712070241q4e2ad7c7ga418232603d08b20@mail.gmail.com> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <66ECAD41-4D8D-4AF7-A291-8E598E2123BA@azurevision.co.uk> <7aa52a210712070241q4e2ad7c7ga418232603d08b20@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8CCA33E6-848F-4E32-BFAB-ED58D5143AFA@azurevision.co.uk> On 7 Dec 2007, at 10:41, Chipp Walters wrote: > Kay and Ian, > > Perhaps you both, being such fans of the simplicity and elegance of > bundles, wouldn't mind starting a revLibrary which provides file > operations on files/folders/bundles and share it with us less > enlightened? [...] > > Here are some I'd like to see implemented, and might provide you a > start... Sounds like a good idea to me, and the NewDelete functions would be useful to anyone on *any* platform as a workaround versus the dreaded 'kill the HD' bug. > get theNewFiles() > get theNewFolders() I think the starting point for these two would be something like: get theNewContent() which would return: filenameA folder filenameB bundle filenameC file filenameD file filenameE bundle filenameF folder Which itself could start from some kind of whatIsThis() function? theNewFiles() and theNewFolders() would then be a couple of lines. > NewCopyFile pStartPath,pDestinationPath > > which copies files and folders which are supposed to be > files...keeping their creator and type codes intact. > > (is this the same as a revCopyFile?) Yes, that's what revCopyFile will do currently. > Maybe others can think of more? > > -Chipp > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mark at maseurope.net Fri Dec 7 10:17:51 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:17:51 +0000 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <8CCA33E6-848F-4E32-BFAB-ED58D5143AFA@azurevision.co.uk> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <66ECAD41-4D8D-4AF7-A291-8E598E2123BA@azurevision.co.uk> <7aa52a210712070241q4e2ad7c7ga418232603d08b20@mail.gmail.com> <8CCA33E6-848F-4E32-BFAB-ED58D5143AFA@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <014C32CA-A89E-4188-9D91-9B17DF2509EB@maseurope.net> A problem I've now found with the whatIsThis()/isPackage() idea is that though all the .bundle and .app folders I've looked at have a / Contents/info.plist file, a .rtfd (rich text with additions) does not. In TextEdit, create a rich text document. Type in some text, then paste in an image. Save. You'll now have a .rftd document. In the finder, control-click and select 'show package contents'. All I can see is two files : 'Pasted Graphic.tiff' and 'TXT.rtf'. How would one identify this .rtfd document as a bundle/package? Of course there's the file extension, but I think simply storing a list of likely file extensions is going to fail sooner or later, as any app may create document bundles if the developers so wish. I've had a pretty good search around, and I can't find any useful shell or applescript stuff, so it seems like the only reliable methods involve system-level api calls - which implies an external or an engine change... And, as I think Chipp may have pointed out, bundles seem to show up in the 'answer file' dialog, but not in 'the files'. This is surely an inconsistency? Best, Mark On 7 Dec 2007, at 12:21, Ian Wood wrote: > > On 7 Dec 2007, at 10:41, Chipp Walters wrote: > >> Kay and Ian, >> >> Perhaps you both, being such fans of the simplicity and elegance of >> bundles, wouldn't mind starting a revLibrary which provides file >> operations on files/folders/bundles and share it with us less >> enlightened? > [...] >> >> Here are some I'd like to see implemented, and might provide you a >> start... > > Sounds like a good idea to me, and the NewDelete functions would be > useful to anyone on *any* platform as a workaround versus the > dreaded 'kill the HD' bug. > >> get theNewFiles() >> get theNewFolders() > > I think the starting point for these two would be something like: > > get theNewContent() > > which would return: > filenameA folder > filenameB bundle > filenameC file > filenameD file > filenameE bundle > filenameF folder > > Which itself could start from some kind of whatIsThis() function? > > theNewFiles() and theNewFolders() would then be a couple of lines. > >> NewCopyFile pStartPath,pDestinationPath >> >> which copies files and folders which are supposed to be >> files...keeping their creator and type codes intact. >> >> (is this the same as a revCopyFile?) > > Yes, that's what revCopyFile will do currently. > >> Maybe others can think of more? >> >> -Chipp >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lists at mangomultimedia.com Fri Dec 7 09:09:30 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 09:09:30 -0500 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712070215s3f1ab57bx6459ae31dca3217@mail.gmail.com> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <7aa52a210712070215s3f1ab57bx6459ae31dca3217@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49D93347-9069-40EF-BA50-4735ED09D2AC@mangomultimedia.com> On Dec 7, 2007, at 5:15 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Earlier I asked if Apple had such an api, and Klaus answered, "I'm > afraid > not :-/" > > So, I just assumed they didn't have one. That's the confusion. Ah. > If they have > one, it seems Rev should be able to implement it. I wish they would. I think it would make file operations much more robust. Recently I discovered that that certain copy operations would fail on Vista. I had to update the copy routines to use robocopy instead of xcopy in the shell. If Rev was using the native system APIs I imagine we would have less surprises like these: -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From rjb at robelko.com Fri Dec 7 11:12:50 2007 From: rjb at robelko.com (Robert Brenstein) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:12:50 +0100 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <8CCA33E6-848F-4E32-BFAB-ED58D5143AFA@azurevision.co.uk> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <66ECAD41-4D8D-4AF7-A291-8E598E2123BA@azurevision.co.uk> <7aa52a210712070241q4e2ad7c7ga418232603d08b20@mail.gmail.com> <8CCA33E6-848F-4E32-BFAB-ED58D5143AFA@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: >>get theNewFiles() >>get theNewFolders() >get theNewContent() >Which itself could start from some kind of whatIsThis() function? >theNewFiles() and theNewFolders() would then be a couple of lines. >>NewCopyFile pStartPath,pDestinationPath >Yes, that's what revCopyFile will do currently. > >>Maybe others can think of more? Having such a library might indeed be a good idea. Just please don't call them "new". smart? modern? enhanced? x (as in inspired/forced by OSX) ? Robert From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Dec 7 11:19:56 2007 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:19:56 -0800 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <014C32CA-A89E-4188-9D91-9B17DF2509EB@maseurope.net> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <66ECAD41-4D8D-4AF7-A291-8E598E2123BA@azurevision.co.uk> <7aa52a210712070241q4e2ad7c7ga418232603d08b20@mail.gmail.com> <8CCA33E6-848F-4E32-BFAB-ED58D5143AFA@azurevision.co.uk> <014C32CA-A89E-4188-9D91-9B17DF2509EB@maseurope.net> Message-ID: Observations about bundles: If one needs to obfuscate a file - a bundle is surely a way to do it. Files inside a bundle are not searched by Spotlight. Need to hide a password cheat sheet? Create a bundle that has the name of a popular app you don't use by creating a folder, then add an .app suffix. The finder will think you are an idiot and will ask if you want to do this (I think there's an option to lose this in Leopard). Do it anyway. Put it into your Applications folder. Voila! you have created an app package with your stuff in it. Option click on it to see the contents. When one double clicks on it, an error message appears that the 'app' is damaged. Just a 'no-good' file to a would-be snoop. By the way, an .rtfd 'file' does not need any more files to identify what's inside. The map to where the photo is positioned is imbedded in the RTF text, and the system recognizes any folder with the .rtfd suffix as a package. One can create an .rtfd package as well, just add the .rtfd suffix to a folder name. This opens up the idea of a rev app creating or modifying the contents of a package that can be 'played' in Apple's Textedit, by extending rev's RTFText, and using this folder/suffix business. There is probably a list somewhere of standard packages that are instantly recognized by OSX without a .plist. -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Fri Dec 7 11:40:07 2007 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 08:40:07 -0800 Subject: Valentina for Revolution 3.5 Released Message-ID: <020501c838ef$d45ef030$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> Hello all, You can scroll down for the full release. To pick out bits just for Revolution users... - There are some new sample projects available that will be helpful in getting started with Valentina, especially if you are still new at this SQL thing :-) - The VKEYWORDS and custom database properties are extremely interesting because it makes a database _server_ more like an object you would program using object-oriented programming, where you can attach custom properties to it (not an unknown concept in Revolution :-)). -Valentina Studio is getting much more solid, easier to use, and it has database diagrams which makes planning your database less painful. -Specific to Revolution - the ability to pull and display pictures from a Valentina DB into Rev has been improved/fixed. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com - Mirye Software Publishing http://www.mirye.com --------------------------------------------------- Beaverton, Oregon-based Paradigma Software, Inc and publisher Mirye Software Publishing announce the release of version 3.5 of its ultra fast database technology Valentina. This update is available across the product line, including Valentina Office Server, Valentina Developer Network and visual database environment Valentina Studio. Valentina Office Server, Valentina Embedded Server and the free Valentina Community Server now support custom database properties, some of which include both read and write properties. This treats databases on servers as objects, much as modern programmers have treated custom objects in development. This represents a new breakthrough in database development - while object-relational and true object-oriented databases have existed for years, treating the database itself as a programmatic object is new. Valentina technology release 3.5 also provides additional features to anyone developing with Valentina: New SQL Support. All products support SHOW VKEYWORDS, SHOW VIDENTS, GROUP BY with ROLL UP and using OR with different JOINED Tables. General Improvements. Over 20 new customer requested improvements and fixes. Valentina SQL Learner Projects. New example projects are available for Adobe Director, Runtime Revolution, and .net languages C# and VB.net in order for new developers to learn how to work with Stored Procedures, Triggers and link conversion. Runtime Revolution projects also include exporting data into SQL native text and XML formats. Valentina Studio Admin 3.5 is a visual tool for creating, querying, designing and reporting on large datasets, and includes the ability to import/convert data formats to Valentina using XML, text and ODBC. In addition to numerous customer requested improvements and fixes, this version adds several new features: Better Database Diagrams. You can now save diagrams for moving them to other databases, print diagrams and use integrated search on diagrams to quickly locate issues with your projects. Visual SQL Builder Improvements. You can now put very complex conditions into one filter cell while building queries. New Add Views | Properties | Procedures. Updated menus, buttons and dialogs make it much easier to add new work to open projects. Valentina 3.5 is included free in bundles with several professional developer kits, as well as with Valentina Office Server. Valentina Studio is available on Mac OS X and Windows. Valentina developer and business products support Windows, Mac OS X and Linux (SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, Fedora Core and Ubuntu). Developers solutions for integrating Valentina begin at $199 with support for every major development system on Mac OS X, Windows and Linux: Apple xCode (Cocoa and C++), Visual Basic, C/C++, Ruby (and Ruby on Rails), PHP, Adobe Director, REAL Software REALbasic, Runtime Revolution, .net and any tool that supports COM. All Valentina products include at least one year of free updates. Valentina Developer Network Platform Edition lets developers deploy unlimited, royalty free copies of Valentina Embedded Server on MacOS X, Windows and Linux. VDN Platform Edition costs $599, with discounts for customers who upgrade from another solution. Valentina 3.5 is immediately available for download and purchase from Mirye Software Publishing at http://www.mirye.com or directly from Paradigma website at http://www.paradigmasoft.com. You can also purchase these products through major resellers. From mark at maseurope.net Fri Dec 7 12:24:45 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:24:45 +0000 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <66ECAD41-4D8D-4AF7-A291-8E598E2123BA@azurevision.co.uk> <7aa52a210712070241q4e2ad7c7ga418232603d08b20@mail.gmail.com> <8CCA33E6-848F-4E32-BFAB-ED58D5143AFA@azurevision.co.uk> <014C32CA-A89E-4188-9D91-9B17DF2509EB@maseurope.net> Message-ID: <59B3863B-0446-4339-965F-9357101CED43@maseurope.net> But since any app can create it's own bundle documents, that list (and I haven't been able to find it) will probably never be exhaustive. Also, bundles of any sort are selectable in the answer file dialog, but not the answer folder dialog, however, 'the files' does not include them while 'the folders' does. So we can know if a bundle selected from the answer file dialog is a bundle by answer file "Choose..." if there is a folder it then -- it's a bundle But, if we want to know if one of the folders returned by 'the folders' is a bundle, I don't think we have a sure way. If we wanted to copy all the documents in a folder - and those included some .rtfd or other bundle-type documents (with whatever file extension), 'the files' won't give us the complete list of what we need, and we don't have a totally reliable way of filtering 'the folders' to add the documents we need to the output of 'the files'. Best, Mark On 7 Dec 2007, at 16:19, Stephen Barncard wrote: > There is probably a list somewhere of standard packages that are > instantly recognized by OSX without a .plist. From chipp at chipp.com Fri Dec 7 13:10:46 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:10:46 -0600 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <49D93347-9069-40EF-BA50-4735ED09D2AC@mangomultimedia.com> References: <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <7aa52a210712070215s3f1ab57bx6459ae31dca3217@mail.gmail.com> <49D93347-9069-40EF-BA50-4735ED09D2AC@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712071010y30b7ec18sc3e6681d6abe05d7@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 7, 2007 8:09 AM, Trevor DeVore > Recently I discovered that that certain copy operations would fail on > Vista. Ouch. Did you have problems with "put URL into URL"? Don't even get me started with Vista. Just trying to manually copy stuff from folder to folder doesn't always work...as Vista automatically assumes any JPG with you put into My Documents, needs to be filed into My Pictures...very confusing, and frustrating! From lists at mangomultimedia.com Fri Dec 7 13:14:23 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:14:23 -0500 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712071010y30b7ec18sc3e6681d6abe05d7@mail.gmail.com> References: <5D211A52-124B-4FAB-926D-FCA48B17CA63@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712052350w6af7fa67i63619ba0d781444a@mail.gmail.com> <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <7aa52a210712070215s3f1ab57bx6459ae31dca3217@mail.gmail.com> <49D93347-9069-40EF-BA50-4735ED09D2AC@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712071010y30b7ec18sc3e6681d6abe05d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 7, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > On Dec 7, 2007 8:09 AM, Trevor DeVore >> Recently I discovered that that certain copy operations would fail on >> Vista. > > Ouch. Did you have problems with "put URL into URL"? I didn't try using 'put URL' as I might be copying folders. I just modified the rev handlers to use robocopy on Vista and put them into my own libraries. I imagine put URL would not break though as it uses the system calls (internet libraries I believe). > Don't even get me started with Vista. Just trying to manually copy > stuff from folder to folder doesn't always work...as Vista > automatically assumes any JPG with you put into My Documents, needs to > be filed into My Pictures...very confusing, and frustrating! So even if you paste into My Documents it moves them into My Pictures behind your back? Interesting feature. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From toncardona at mac.com Fri Dec 7 13:17:35 2007 From: toncardona at mac.com (Ton Cardona) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:17:35 +0100 Subject: Accents Message-ID: Mark Shonewille is right in his tip, but with ... ask "?Cu?l?2 instead of answer "?Cu?l?" does not work at all, it gives html formatted text T. Cardona From chipp at chipp.com Fri Dec 7 13:18:52 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 12:18:52 -0600 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: References: <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <7aa52a210712070215s3f1ab57bx6459ae31dca3217@mail.gmail.com> <49D93347-9069-40EF-BA50-4735ED09D2AC@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712071010y30b7ec18sc3e6681d6abe05d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712071018v23a079fy2f42d9150d4a6716@mail.gmail.com> Yep, at least on the Vista system I have. I was trying to move some files from another system to my wife's Vista and it kept moving the files around. Chris tells me it can be turned off. He *used* to have Vista installed on his Mac laptop, but I believe finally gave up and installed WinXP in his Bootcamp partition. From devin_asay at byu.edu Fri Dec 7 13:22:54 2007 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:22:54 -0700 Subject: Accents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9111296C-FAFB-4DAD-AA27-1BBBC3D9194F@byu.edu> On Dec 7, 2007, at 11:17 AM, Ton Cardona wrote: > Mark Shonewille is right in his tip, but with ... > > ask "?Cu?l?2 instead of answer "?Cu?l?" does not work at all, it > gives html formatted text That's right, it's a bug. See bug #4974 Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Dec 7 13:34:00 2007 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 10:34:00 -0800 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <59B3863B-0446-4339-965F-9357101CED43@maseurope.net> References: <232BF33D-6C77-419A-9FC7-A9CC5F558E67@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712051809ob70194aifd9dfdcdf65cb239@mail.gmail.com> <66ECAD41-4D8D-4AF7-A291-8E598E2123BA@azurevision.co.uk> <7aa52a210712070241q4e2ad7c7ga418232603d08b20@mail.gmail.com> <8CCA33E6-848F-4E32-BFAB-ED58D5143AFA@azurevision.co.uk> <014C32CA-A89E-4188-9D91-9B17DF2509EB@maseurope.net> <59B3863B-0446-4339-965F-9357101CED43@maseurope.net> Message-ID: Agreed, the current tools don't seem to adjust for everything and custom solutions might be needed. > >But, if we want to know if one of the folders returned by 'the >folders' is a bundle, I don't think we have a sure way. Well one way would be (is a folder) AND (has a dot-suffix) = bundle "normal" folders don't have a dot-suffix and one can't make a package by using just any old dot suffix. idea: how does dot-suffix filtering in [answer/ask file with type] affect the listing of packages? -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Dec 7 14:05:07 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:05:07 -0800 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) Message-ID: <47599963.1030006@fourthworld.com> Stephen Barncard wrote: >>But, if we want to know if one of the folders returned by 'the >>folders' is a bundle, I don't think we have a sure way. > > Well one way would be > > (is a folder) AND (has a dot-suffix) = bundle > > "normal" folders don't have a dot-suffix and one can't make a > package by using just any old dot suffix. > > idea: how does dot-suffix filtering in [answer/ask file with type] > affect the listing of packages? A folder with a dot in its name is apparently still just a folder, both to the Finder and the answer file dialog. I haven't looked into it, but it seems the OS differentiates based on something more than just the dot extension. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Dec 7 14:14:08 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 11:14:08 -0800 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac Message-ID: <47599B80.8080502@fourthworld.com> Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Dec 7, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: >> Did you have problems with "put URL into URL"? > > I didn't try using 'put URL' as I might be copying folders. I just > modified the rev handlers to use robocopy on Vista and put them into > my own libraries. I imagine put URL would not break though as it uses > the system calls (internet libraries I believe). Good question. Does it really do that for files not being transferred via HTTP/FTP? I've had a mysterious bug with a product we develop in which installing from a local machine to a shared network volume often results in the application not being able to find its accompanying files when run on the client from that server. The installer is a custom one we built with Rev, using "open file...","write...", and "close file..." to copy files from a CD to the volume. We check for errors when we open the target file for write, and never have an error reported during install. It's only after an apparently-successful install that we learn that something went wrong. The workaround for the subset of affected systems is to install locally and then copy to the server. In that case it works well, but since the files are all the same it's been mystifying to try to find out what's failing. More mysterious is that in the two cases we've found this issue both the client and the server were running XP, not Vista. Got any insight as to why that could be failing? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Dec 7 14:31:49 2007 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 11:31:49 -0800 Subject: My somewhat Off-Topic post of the day References: <41394B37-E3A6-4753-A470-42E043E9C3BE@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: Luis- > Isn't that the same as what OS 9 had with Launcher? Sort of, but with ability to remap keyboard assignments and key legends. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From lists at mangomultimedia.com Fri Dec 7 15:04:50 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:04:50 -0500 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <47599B80.8080502@fourthworld.com> References: <47599B80.8080502@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On Dec 7, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Trevor DeVore wrote: > >> On Dec 7, 2007, at 1:10 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: >>> Did you have problems with "put URL into URL"? >> I didn't try using 'put URL' as I might be copying folders. I just >> modified the rev handlers to use robocopy on Vista and put them >> into my own libraries. I imagine put URL would not break though as >> it uses the system calls (internet libraries I believe). > > Good question. Does it really do that for files not being > transferred via HTTP/FTP? I *think* Rev does (or at least did) and here is why. Back when I first started using Revolution I created an application for a client. The client did lots of development on Windows and after receiving a build of the app I was building one of their developers asked me why the app was loading a certain internet library dll as the app didn't get any data from the internet. I was using "put URL" though for moving files around. This was a maybe 5 years ago though. > I've had a mysterious bug with a product we develop in which > installing from a local machine to a shared network volume often > results in the application not being able to find its accompanying > files when run on the client from that server. > > The installer is a custom one we built with Rev, using "open > file...","write...", and "close file..." to copy files from a CD to > the volume. We check for errors when we open the target file for > write, and never have an error reported during install. It's only > after an apparently-successful install that we learn that something > went wrong. > > The workaround for the subset of affected systems is to install > locally and then copy to the server. In that case it works well, > but since the files are all the same it's been mystifying to try to > find out what's failing. > > More mysterious is that in the two cases we've found this issue both > the client and the server were running XP, not Vista. > > Got any insight as to why that could be failing? Not sure but have you looked at what the destination path is to the shared network volume in this case? Do you have some example destination paths from systems where installing to a shared network volume works? I can't think of why an error wouldn't be returned but all issues with moving files around on Windows have had to do with "//" or "." at the beginning of the path or the length of the entire path being too long. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From chipp at chipp.com Fri Dec 7 16:26:21 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:26:21 -0600 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <47599963.1030006@fourthworld.com> References: <47599963.1030006@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712071326v5ff08743necd7085167577346@mail.gmail.com> Richard, I think what Stephen was getting at was: if the extension is ".bundle" then it's a bundle. As such, I would assume only bundles have .bundle extensions, and therefore one can see a folder is supposed to be a file by checking a folder's extension. Perhaps I'm wrong? -Chipp On Dec 7, 2007 1:05 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > A folder with a dot in its name is apparently still just a folder, both > to the Finder and the answer file dialog. > > I haven't looked into it, but it seems the OS differentiates based on > something more than just the dot extension. From chipp at chipp.com Fri Dec 7 16:27:58 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:27:58 -0600 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: References: <8F35FF3D-B207-4033-8F67-D6429F2AA33C@major-k.de> <7aa52a210712060046w40393e07x68baa238e5602142@mail.gmail.com> <72505880-F9A9-41B0-A97E-FD4C8EC9F9E3@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712061112g79d2897cj37f11ae076432411@mail.gmail.com> <7aa52a210712070215s3f1ab57bx6459ae31dca3217@mail.gmail.com> <49D93347-9069-40EF-BA50-4735ED09D2AC@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712071010y30b7ec18sc3e6681d6abe05d7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712071327k1ef59964ud89a2300455764cc@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 7, 2007 12:14 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > So even if you paste into My Documents it moves them into My Pictures > behind your back? Interesting feature. Not sure *I'd* call it a feature...but evidently someone at Microsoft thinks it is. From chipp at chipp.com Fri Dec 7 16:31:55 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 15:31:55 -0600 Subject: copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: <47599B80.8080502@fourthworld.com> References: <47599B80.8080502@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712071331j714ae178pf4863a129e4d2b66@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 7, 2007 1:14 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Good question. Does it really do that for files not being transferred > via HTTP/FTP? Not sure if this is what you're asking but: put URL ("binfile:" & C:/test.jpg) into URL ("binfile:" & D:/test.jpg) is the way I do all my local file copies--never had a problem, either on Mac or Windows (with of course the exception being the whole bundle thing) -Chipp From josh at dvcreators.net Fri Dec 7 16:34:13 2007 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 13:34:13 -0800 Subject: encrypt not working in Leopard? In-Reply-To: <6C4746F0-DA59-425F-A898-6506E87D2747@ezpzapps.com> References: <61FBBC3E-70F2-40AF-A56B-DF1E683523DF@dvcreators.net> <6C4746F0-DA59-425F-A898-6506E87D2747@ezpzapps.com> Message-ID: <5B9B82A8-EB1A-47F5-8CE6-1C397E4E01CD@dvcreators.net> Thanks for checking, will try it. On Dec 6, 2007, at 9:29 PM, Jim Sims wrote: > > On Dec 7, 2007, at 2:22 AM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > >> Has anyone else run into a problem with "encrypt" or "decrypt" in >> OS X 10.5 ("Leopard")? >> >> We have tried using "blowfish" and "bf-ecb", but on Leopard >> systems (dev environment and standalone), it just doesn't execute >> the command. > > > I just fired up Leopard (I'm only using it from an external HD for > testing until 10.5.2 comes out) > and then used Rev 2.8.1 and the Encryption Made Easy stack from > Bill Vlahos. > > Worked as advertised. > > sims > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From userev at canelasoftware.com Fri Dec 7 17:23:22 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 14:23:22 -0800 Subject: How to auto startup In-Reply-To: References: <9B0417FB-5543-423C-8A62-FD3741CC6D5F@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: <26ADD2DB-F45B-4B8E-AF45-C52ED37B818F@canelasoftware.com> On Dec 6, 2007, at 3:46 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Dec 7, 2007 3:11 AM, Jim Ault wrote: > > Another step, if you are serious about going down the path is to > consider >> the free editor program called Smile. Far better than Script Editor. >> >> Jim is spot on the money with his recommendation of Smile, you'll >> find it > here: > > http://www.satimage.fr/software/en/downloads/index.html > > There are two versions, a paid, extremely powerful version, and a free > script editor. If you really do like waking up in the morning and > learning, > as apposed to say, wasting your time, then give Apple's > ScriptEditor a miss > and go with Smile. > > :-) Thanks Kay, I will give Smile and run. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Dec 7 18:48:04 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:48:04 -0800 Subject: [OT] JavaScript editor? Message-ID: <4759DBB4.2020609@fourthworld.com> I'm in a transition with some of my web tools, and I have a couple web projects on the horizon so I'm wondering: What's your favorite JavaScript editor? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___________________________________________________________ Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Fri Dec 7 18:52:52 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 15:52:52 -0800 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) Message-ID: <4759DCD4.3070108@fourthworld.com> Chipp Walters wrote: > I think what Stephen was getting at was: > > if the extension is ".bundle" then it's a bundle. As such, I would > assume only bundles have .bundle extensions, and therefore one can see > a folder is supposed to be a file by checking a folder's extension. ".bundle" does indeed trigger the OS to treat it as a bundle, as does ".app", but what do we do with ".band", ".wdgt", and the potentially thousands of other name extensions? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Dec 7 19:58:16 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 22:58:16 -0200 Subject: [OT] JavaScript editor? In-Reply-To: <4759DBB4.2020609@fourthworld.com> References: <4759DBB4.2020609@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712071658p27bc2b8an599fc3747814ce22@mail.gmail.com> TextMate for creating javascript files (TextMate is like BBEdit but cheaper) Firebug for debugging them. Panic Coda is a nice all-in-one solution, but I don't use it. It pays to learn emacs or vi, since you'll probably be using ssh to the server and thats is probably what you'll have in there. Good javascript libraries in AFO (Andre's Favorite Order): ExtJS 2.0, MochiKit, Scriptaculous, YUI, Dojo. Keep this near your radar, new version of ECMAScript is getting ready and will support some very nice things. Current version of javascript supports continuations which makes easier to build web apps. On 12/7/07, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I'm in a transition with some of my web tools, and I have a couple web > projects on the horizon so I'm wondering: > > What's your favorite JavaScript editor? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Fourth World Media Corporation > ___________________________________________________________ > Ambassador at FourthWorld.com http://www.FourthWorld.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From mikeythek at gmail.com Fri Dec 7 21:54:16 2007 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 21:54:16 -0500 Subject: [OT] JavaScript editor? In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10712071658p27bc2b8an599fc3747814ce22@mail.gmail.com> References: <4759DBB4.2020609@fourthworld.com> <7c87a2a10712071658p27bc2b8an599fc3747814ce22@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e0712071854o1e8f2524r845f0fcccf428aad@mail.gmail.com> Aptana is very popular because it's also the recommended editor for Ruby on Windows. You can get one of several editors for use with Firefox, all of which are supposed to be pretty good. From chipp at chipp.com Fri Dec 7 23:03:47 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 22:03:47 -0600 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <4759DCD4.3070108@fourthworld.com> References: <4759DCD4.3070108@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712072003p42d0187fuaaa0ff86354c4ea1@mail.gmail.com> So, I mistakenly thought only .bundle extensions on folders were bundles-- but, you're saying there are others as well? I've 2 questions: 1. What is the factor which determines whether a folder is treated like a file? 2. How do you Mac guys handle this? IOW, when you walk through a folder copying, reading or moving files, how do you know whether or not you're looking at a folder or a file? From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Dec 7 23:17:43 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 20:17:43 -0800 Subject: Standalone Text Field problem for WindowsXP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well, I'm back after a considerable hiatus, and have some new plans for Revolution articles on the Macinstruct.com website. First, however, I need to wrap up the application that was in the mill when I "dropped out" of the list. I finally got a Mac Pro with the 30" Apple Display that allows me to "see" once again. Though OSX is still a glaring abomination and I have found no way to adequately adjust the "glare". Nevertheless, I now have WindowsXP running under VMWare's Fusion and can test the Window's version of my Coloring Book Application. Actually, it works fine except that none of fixed and some of the scrolling text fields just don't make it. They just aren't there. Also, the sound is pretty crude and the menus don't show up at the top of the window. I'm at a loss to see what may have caused this - the missing menus. Perhaps I need to build the Window's executable separately from the MacOSX build. That will be my next trial. If any of you have suggestions based on your own experiences, I'd love to hear them. I'm still using 10.4.11 (Tiger) and, though I just purchased Leopard, I'm a little hesitant to load it up until I know that Rev works acceptably on it. TIA, Joe Wilkins From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Sat Dec 8 00:08:07 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:08:07 +0800 Subject: My somewhat Off-Topic post of the day In-Reply-To: References: <41394B37-E3A6-4753-A470-42E043E9C3BE@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Dec 8, 2007 3:31 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Luis- > > > Isn't that the same as what OS 9 had with Launcher? > > Sort of, but with ability to remap keyboard assignments and key legends. Yeah, but whilst I can recall that you could Launch most things, a maid wasn't one of them;-) From pepetoo at cox.net Sat Dec 8 02:40:24 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:40:24 -0800 Subject: Standalone Text Field problem for WindowsXP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04F902D0-7F50-41A8-9E43-7F7909FD8DE0@cox.net> As it turns out, much of the "missing" text is actually there. It just can't be seen. I thought it might be that the color for the text was being set to "white", but that isn't the problem. The Menu hot keys work, but the menus themselves are still invisible. Frankly, I'm stumped. Joe Wilkins On Dec 7, 2007, at 8:17 PM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Well, I'm back after a considerable hiatus, and have some new plans > for Revolution articles on the Macinstruct.com website. > > First, however, I need to wrap up the application that was in the > mill when I "dropped out" of the list. I finally got a Mac Pro with > the 30" Apple Display that allows me to "see" once again. Though > OSX is still a glaring abomination and I have found no way to > adequately adjust the "glare". Nevertheless, I now have WindowsXP > running under VMWare's Fusion and can test the Window's version of > my Coloring Book Application. Actually, it works fine except that > none of fixed and some of the scrolling text fields just don't make > it. They just aren't there. Also, the sound is pretty crude and the > menus don't show up at the top of the window. I'm at a loss to see > what may have caused this - the missing menus. > > Perhaps I need to build the Window's executable separately from the > MacOSX build. That will be my next trial. If any of you have > suggestions based on your own experiences, I'd love to hear them. > I'm still using 10.4.11 (Tiger) and, though I just purchased > Leopard, I'm a little hesitant to load it up until I know that Rev > works acceptably on it. > > TIA, > > Joe Wilkins > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Sat Dec 8 06:58:13 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:58:13 -0200 Subject: [OT] JavaScript editor? In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0712071854o1e8f2524r845f0fcccf428aad@mail.gmail.com> References: <4759DBB4.2020609@fourthworld.com> <7c87a2a10712071658p27bc2b8an599fc3747814ce22@mail.gmail.com> <9b408d8e0712071854o1e8f2524r845f0fcccf428aad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712080358t6c85047fh3dac52b2fa6512ea@mail.gmail.com> Aptana is based on Eclipse. So how you like aptana is based on how you like Eclipse. It is a robust product and their free offering is very nice. I've installed it here but still, a simple text editor like TextMate does the trick for me. aptana: http://www.aptana.com I think that more important than the javascript editor, it to decide on javascript libraries to use or create your own. Javascript still just text, but for us, used to xTalk, it can be a lot of text and techniques to do the most simple things we take for granted. So the base library is very important. andre On 12/8/07, Mikey wrote: > Aptana is very popular because it's also the recommended editor for > Ruby on Windows. > > You can get one of several editors for use with Firefox, all of which > are supposed to be pretty good. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From lists at mangomultimedia.com Sat Dec 8 07:50:36 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 07:50:36 -0500 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712072003p42d0187fuaaa0ff86354c4ea1@mail.gmail.com> References: <4759DCD4.3070108@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712072003p42d0187fuaaa0ff86354c4ea1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8B54F866-860B-461F-8932-95D5706C116F@mangomultimedia.com> On Dec 7, 2007, at 11:03 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > So, I mistakenly thought only .bundle extensions on folders were > bundles-- but, you're saying there are others as well? I've 2 > questions: > > 1. What is the factor which determines whether a folder is treated > like a file? Here are some notes I picked up from the Apple docs on Bundles. To begin it appears that we have been discussing packages, not bundles. "It is important to remember the distinction between what is a bundle and what is a package. The term bundle indicates a directory with a specific hierarchical structure, whereas the term package indicates a directory that is treated as an opaque entity by the Finder. Most bundles (including applications and plug-ins) are also packages. Some bundles, such as frameworks, are not packages, however." The Finder uses the following criteria to determine if something is a package: * The directory has a known extension: .app, .bundle, .framework, .plugin, .kext, and so on. * The directory has its bundle bit set. * The directory has a known structure type indicating it is a modern or versioned bundle. A developer registers their own package extensions with the operating system. I imagine this is one of the criteria the finder uses. "To register a document as a package, you must modify the document type information in your application?s information property list (Info.plist) file. TheCFBundleDocumentTypes key stores information about the document types your application supports. For each document package type, include the LSTypeIsPackagekey with an appropriate value. The presence of this key tells the Finder and Launch Services to treat directories with the given file extension as a package." > 2. How do you Mac guys handle this? IOW, when you walk through a > folder copying, reading or moving files, how do you know whether or > not you're looking at a folder or a file? Personally I haven't had to handle it yet. I don't have any applications that just copy unknown folders around. I'm always copying folders where I want all contents so I don't have to make a distinction. It does seem like Revolution needs a better means of addressing this though. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From shari at gypsyware.com Sat Dec 8 09:40:32 2007 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:40:32 -0500 Subject: Field of Card of Stack Message-ID: Nothing earthshattering, just something I've wondered about. If you have a stack with one card, far as I can tell both of the following work, but shouldn't the second one fail? get fld "Seaweed" of cd "Aquaplants" of stack "Waterbabies" get fld "Seaweed" of stack "Waterbabies" If no card is specified, what exactly does it do? Is it an "undocumented feature" that it catches your error in forgetting to specify a card? Just something I've wondered about every time I caught a piece of code where I'd forgotten to specify a card, and the code still worked. Shari -- WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware games BIackjack GoId http://www.gypsyware.com From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sat Dec 8 10:55:41 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 16:55:41 +0100 Subject: Field of Card of Stack In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Shari, Le 8 d?c. 07 ? 15:40, Shari a ?crit : > If you have a stack with one card, far as I can tell both of the > following work, but shouldn't the second one fail? > > get fld "Seaweed" of cd "Aquaplants" of stack "Waterbabies" Will get the contents of the field in the specified card whatever can be the current card in stack "Waterbabies". You'll use this form to get something in a card that is not currently displayed. > get fld "Seaweed" of stack "Waterbabies" Will get the contents of the field in the the current card of stack "Waterbabies". This will depend on the currently displayed card. > If no card is specified, what exactly does it do? Is it an > "undocumented feature" that it catches your error in forgetting to > specify a card? > > Just something I've wondered about every time I caught a piece of > code where I'd forgotten to specify a card, and the code still worked. > > Shari In your case, as there is only one card, both formulations will always work :-) Hope this clarifies things, Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Sat Dec 8 11:14:04 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 08:14:04 -0800 Subject: Field of Card of Stack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/8/07 6:40 AM, "Shari" wrote: > Nothing earthshattering, just something I've wondered about. > > If you have a stack with one card, far as I can tell both of the > following work, but shouldn't the second one fail? > > get fld "Seaweed" of cd "Aquaplants" of stack "Waterbabies" > get fld "Seaweed" of stack "Waterbabies" > > If no card is specified, what exactly does it do? Is it an > "undocumented feature" that it catches your error in forgetting to > specify a card? > > Just something I've wondered about every time I caught a piece of > code where I'd forgotten to specify a card, and the code still worked. get fld "Seaweed" of cd "Aquaplants" of stack "Waterbabies" get fld "Seaweed" of stack "Waterbabies" --curr card get fld "Seaweed" --curr card of curr stack get the cpSpecies of this stack --assumes current property set get the plantData[cpSpecies] of this stack -- specifies which property set get the cpSpecies of button "Water Lilly" of card "Tasmania" of stack "Australian Locales" --assumes the current property set of button "Water Lilly" get the plantData[cpSpecies] of button "Water Lilly" of card "Tasmania" of stack "Australian Locales" -- specifies which property set at the exact data storage location get the foodData[cpNutrients] of button "Water Lilly" of card "Tasmania" of stack "Australian Locales" -- specifies which property set at the exact data storage location Hope this helps Jim Ault Las Vegas From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Dec 8 12:10:35 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 09:10:35 -0800 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) Message-ID: <475AD00B.50803@fourthworld.com> Trevor DeVore wrote: > The Finder uses the following criteria to determine if something is a > package: > > * The directory has a known > extension: .app, .bundle, .framework, .plugin, .kext, and so on. > * The directory has its bundle bit set. > * The directory has a known structure type indicating it is a modern > or versioned bundle. How does one set a file's bundle bit in a post-ResEdit world? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat Dec 8 12:55:56 2007 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 09:55:56 -0800 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <475AD00B.50803@fourthworld.com> References: <475AD00B.50803@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: In a Rev standalone .app in MacOSX Finder file info is located in the info.pList file within the "bundle/package/app". It's a lot of XML like this: 20071129_Toadmeat CFBundleName Toadmeat Chopper CFBundlePackageType APPL CFBundleShortVersionString 1.5.0.0 CFBundleSignature ???? CFBundleVersion 2.9.0.480 I would assume it's like that in other applications as well. >>* The directory has its bundle bit set. >>* The directory has a known structure type indicating it is a >>modern or versioned bundle. > >How does one set a file's bundle bit in a post-ResEdit world? -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From janschenkel at yahoo.com Sat Dec 8 13:35:56 2007 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 10:35:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Field of Card of Stack In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <284337.29666.qm@web60520.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eric Chatonet wrote: > Hi Shari, > > Le 8 d?c. 07 ? 15:40, Shari a ?crit : > > > If you have a stack with one card, far as I can > tell both of the > > following work, but shouldn't the second one fail? > > > > get fld "Seaweed" of cd "Aquaplants" of stack > "Waterbabies" > > Will get the contents of the field in the specified > card whatever can > be the current card in stack "Waterbabies". > You'll use this form to get something in a card that > is not currently > displayed. > > > get fld "Seaweed" of stack "Waterbabies" > > Will get the contents of the field in the the > current card of stack > "Waterbabies". > This will depend on the currently displayed card. > There's one catch: if the field is part of a background group, it doesn't matter if you use the correct card name or number in your control reference: it will always return the content of the field of the _current_ card of the background. Hope this avoids some unpleasant surprises, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From mark at maseurope.net Sat Dec 8 13:55:11 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 18:55:11 +0000 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <475AD00B.50803@fourthworld.com> References: <475AD00B.50803@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Having poked around the web (apple's developer site, and various non- apple programming sites), it seems that neither the file-extension, the bundle-bit (which is found in the file-system's db, as far as I can undrstand) nor the presence of a /contents/pkgInfo etc, provide a completely reliable guide to the 'packageness' of a directory. Hence the OS's multiplicity of methods for determining it, and why I suspect a pure transcript solution may not be possible. Using the bash 'ls' command with the '-F' option (to put a "/" at the end of each item that's a directory) lists any package as a directory, so is consistent with Rev's 'the files'. Best, Mark On 8 Dec 2007, at 17:10, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Trevor DeVore wrote: >> The Finder uses the following criteria to determine if something >> is a package: >> * The directory has a known >> extension: .app, .bundle, .framework, .plugin, .kext, and so on. >> * The directory has its bundle bit set. >> * The directory has a known structure type indicating it is a >> modern or versioned bundle. > > How does one set a file's bundle bit in a post-ResEdit world? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Managing Editor, revJournal > _______________________________________________________ > Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lists at mangomultimedia.com Sat Dec 8 13:58:43 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:58:43 -0500 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <475AD00B.50803@fourthworld.com> References: <475AD00B.50803@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <5F1DB799-F0C8-4123-9C45-C11E2C97C68E@mangomultimedia.com> On Dec 8, 2007, at 12:10 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Trevor DeVore wrote: >> The Finder uses the following criteria to determine if something is >> a package: >> * The directory has a known >> extension: .app, .bundle, .framework, .plugin, .kext, and so on. >> * The directory has its bundle bit set. >> * The directory has a known structure type indicating it is a >> modern or versioned bundle. > > How does one set a file's bundle bit in a post-ResEdit world? I just did a quick Google search and could only find references to using a system API call. If you were going to use an external you can use FSSetCatalogInfo and set the kHasBundle flag for the folder. I imagine someone could base an external off of the code in this posting: PathFinder allows you to set the bit in the property dialog for the folder. Maybe someone can find an AppleScript or command line utility that can set the bit as well. I just read something interesting that said even if you do register certain extensions as packages for your application it is still good to set the bundle bit. This causes the package to show up as a package on systems that don't have your application installed. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From chipp at chipp.com Sat Dec 8 14:34:53 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 13:34:53 -0600 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <5F1DB799-F0C8-4123-9C45-C11E2C97C68E@mangomultimedia.com> References: <475AD00B.50803@fourthworld.com> <5F1DB799-F0C8-4123-9C45-C11E2C97C68E@mangomultimedia.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712081134t418d9ad7iaf19dbda9c810cf1@mail.gmail.com> So, if I understand this correctly, you can have a 'package' which is a folder but not a 'bundle' but looks like one because it's 'bundle bit' is on? :-) On a more serious note, does the Mac have a registry like Windows? If so, is it easy to gain access to? Rev has a single command to grab a Window registry key. Perhaps a similar function for the Mac would help? I suppose the easiest thing to do, is to see how RevCopyFile manages to figure out what a bundle/package/folder is and how to copy it accurately (or does it?) From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Sat Dec 8 14:35:58 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:35:58 -0800 Subject: Field of Card of Stack In-Reply-To: <284337.29666.qm@web60520.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > There's one catch: if the field is part of a > background group, it doesn't matter if you use the > correct card name or number in your control reference: > it will always return the content of the field of the > _current_ card of the background. > > Hope this avoids some unpleasant surprises, > > Jan Schenkel. Good catch, Jan. Actually, it could go a little further, if the bg that has the field is: in the stack but not placed on the current card in the stack and not placed on any card in the stack and contains a group in the stack, on a card, and has more than one group with the same field name/number Multiple fields on a card with the same name can happen. One authoring short cut/valid technique is to group a set of fields and controls so that group-copy-paste will produce multiples that are self-contained using a group script. Now the same controls & fields have the same name, but not the same object id and object hierarchy. This is where using "the long name of me" should eliminate ambiguity. try get the long name of field "dataEyeWant" --> error if no field exists answer "Rev found a field" if ("card id " & the short id of this card) is in it then answer "looks like the field is on this card" else answer "looks like the field is NOT on this card" end if catch errrr answer "Rev could not find the field" end try I think Eric Chatonet addresses this in some of his tutorial stacks. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 12/8/07 10:35 AM, "Jan Schenkel" wrote: > --- Eric Chatonet > wrote: >> Hi Shari, >> >> Le 8 d?c. 07 ? 15:40, Shari a ?crit : >> >>> If you have a stack with one card, far as I can >> tell both of the >>> following work, but shouldn't the second one fail? >>> >>> get fld "Seaweed" of cd "Aquaplants" of stack >> "Waterbabies" >> >> Will get the contents of the field in the specified >> card whatever can >> be the current card in stack "Waterbabies". >> You'll use this form to get something in a card that >> is not currently >> displayed. >> >>> get fld "Seaweed" of stack "Waterbabies" >> >> Will get the contents of the field in the the >> current card of stack >> "Waterbabies". >> This will depend on the currently displayed card. >> > > There's one catch: if the field is part of a > background group, it doesn't matter if you use the > correct card name or number in your control reference: > it will always return the content of the field of the > _current_ card of the background. > > Hope this avoids some unpleasant surprises, > > Jan Schenkel. From mark at maseurope.net Sat Dec 8 14:53:01 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 19:53:01 +0000 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712081134t418d9ad7iaf19dbda9c810cf1@mail.gmail.com> References: <475AD00B.50803@fourthworld.com> <5F1DB799-F0C8-4123-9C45-C11E2C97C68E@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712081134t418d9ad7iaf19dbda9c810cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: There is a command line tool called lsregister which is something to do with LaunchServices. http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20031215144430486 You may understand it better than I did :) Best, Mark On 8 Dec 2007, at 19:34, Chipp Walters wrote: > So, if I understand this correctly, you can have a 'package' which is > a folder but not a 'bundle' but looks like one because it's 'bundle > bit' is on? :-) > > On a more serious note, does the Mac have a registry like Windows? If > so, is it easy to gain access to? Rev has a single command to grab a > Window registry key. Perhaps a similar function for the Mac would > help? > > I suppose the easiest thing to do, is to see how RevCopyFile manages > to figure out what a bundle/package/folder is and how to copy it > accurately (or does it?) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From klaus at major-k.de Sat Dec 8 15:36:04 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:36:04 +0100 Subject: Packages (was: copy large files in Rev on Mac) In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712081134t418d9ad7iaf19dbda9c810cf1@mail.gmail.com> References: <475AD00B.50803@fourthworld.com> <5F1DB799-F0C8-4123-9C45-C11E2C97C68E@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712081134t418d9ad7iaf19dbda9c810cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Chipp, > So, if I understand this correctly, you can have a 'package' which is > a folder but not a 'bundle' but looks like one because it's 'bundle > bit' is on? :-) Ermm, yes, maybe :-) > On a more serious note, does the Mac have a registry like Windows? If > so, is it easy to gain access to? Rev has a single command to grab a > Window registry key. Perhaps a similar function for the Mac would > help? > > I suppose the easiest thing to do, is to see how RevCopyFile manages > to figure out what a bundle/package/folder is and how to copy it > accurately (or does it?) RevCopyFile uses AppleScript to let OS X decide what might be a bundle or not! Clever, isn't it? Best Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sat Dec 8 16:31:28 2007 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 15:31:28 -0600 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712081134t418d9ad7iaf19dbda9c810cf1@mail.gmail.com> References: <475AD00B.50803@fourthworld.com> <5F1DB799-F0C8-4123-9C45-C11E2C97C68E@mangomultimedia.com> <7aa52a210712081134t418d9ad7iaf19dbda9c810cf1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <475B0D30.6050506@hyperactivesw.com> Chipp Walters wrote: > So, if I understand this correctly, you can have a 'package' which is > a folder but not a 'bundle' but looks like one because it's 'bundle > bit' is on? :-) A package is also treated as a single file; the user double-clicks it and it launches the package installer. But unless you are creating a package installer (you'll need Apple's tools to do that,) all the packages you will work with will be application bundles. > > On a more serious note, does the Mac have a registry like Windows? If > so, is it easy to gain access to? Rev has a single command to grab a > Window registry key. Perhaps a similar function for the Mac would > help? There are hidden databases that deal with launch services and other file maintenance, but they should not be accessed by humans. There is nothing that really corresponds to the Windows registry. I can't think of any time you'd need to work with those though. Apple warns against it. > > I suppose the easiest thing to do, is to see how RevCopyFile manages > to figure out what a bundle/package/folder is and how to copy it > accurately (or does it?) Yes. It uses AppleScript. I'm guessing that virtually all cases you will need to deal with will be application bundles, right? The easiest way to check to see if a folder is an application or a regular directory is simply to check for the ".app" extension. The extension exists on all application bundles, even if the user's view has been set to hide it. Another easy way to check for the existence of an application bundle is to see if the directory has a "Contents/MacOS" folder inside. All Mac apps have those. Some things that may help determine the existence of an app: answer file "Choose the chess application" --> /Applications/Chess.app -- changed by popular demand a few versions ago; we used to need -- to "answer folder" to get these. put there is a file "/Applications/Chess.app" --> FALSE put there is a folder "/Applications/Chess.app" --> TRUE put there is a folder "/Applications/Chess.app/Contents/MacOS/" --> TRUE -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Dec 8 16:52:40 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:52:40 -0800 Subject: Packages Message-ID: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> J. Landman Gay wrote: > Chipp Walters wrote: >> So, if I understand this correctly, you can have a 'package' which is >> a folder but not a 'bundle' but looks like one because it's 'bundle >> bit' is on? :-) > > A package is also treated as a single file; the user double-clicks it > and it launches the package installer. But unless you are creating a > package installer (you'll need Apple's tools to do that,) all the > packages you will work with will be application bundles. If only it were that easy. In addition to ".pkg" packages and ".app" packages, there are also an unknown number of "files" which are packages, including Garage Band's ".band" packages and others. Given the wide variety of ways the OS may use to determine whether a folder is a folder or a package I think it's safe to say the best solution would not rely on our scripted workarounds, but instead use the OS API. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat Dec 8 17:42:45 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 08:42:45 +1000 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: > If only it were that easy. In addition to ".pkg" packages and ".app" > packages, there are also an unknown number of "files" which are > packages, including Garage Band's ".band" packages and others. > > Given the wide variety of ways the OS may use to determine whether a > folder is a folder or a package I think it's safe to say the best > solution would not rely on our scripted workarounds, but instead use the > OS API. While this has never bothered me, since the only bundles/packages I deal with are my own apps so I know what goes where, Rev seems a bit confused about such things. If you do "answer file" you can select a bundle e.g. .band, .iMovieProject, .app, .bundle After that, Rev sees it as a folder and "is there a file" will fail, while "is there a folder" will return true. If you do "answer folder", you will not be able to select one of these bundles. Setting the defaultFolder to a folder containing some of these bundles (I used my Movies folder as a test), these bundles are not listed in "the files", only in "the folders". This does however provide a way of determining a bundle: answer file "Select a file:" put it into tName if there is a folder tName then answer tName & " is a bundle." else if tName is not empty then answer tName & " is a file." end if Cheers, Sarah From chipp at chipp.com Sat Dec 8 22:50:11 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 21:50:11 -0600 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> Good one Sarah, now how to create an isBundle() function without the answer file command? From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Dec 9 00:10:14 2007 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:10:14 -0600 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <475B78B6.6090508@hyperactivesw.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> If only it were that easy. In addition to ".pkg" packages and ".app" >> packages, there are also an unknown number of "files" which are >> packages, including Garage Band's ".band" packages and others. >> >> Given the wide variety of ways the OS may use to determine whether a >> folder is a folder or a package I think it's safe to say the best >> solution would not rely on our scripted workarounds, but instead use the >> OS API. > > While this has never bothered me, since the only bundles/packages I > deal with are my own apps so I know what goes where, Rev seems a bit > confused about such things. > > If you do "answer file" you can select a bundle e.g. .band, > .iMovieProject, .app, .bundle This is what changed due to public demand. Originally, bundles were only accessible via the "answer folder" command. There was widespread hue and cry (probably rightly so) because users thought of applications as files, and Rev developers wanted "answer file" to reflect that and allow the choice of files in the answer file dialog. Some time after RR took over the MC engine, "answer file" started to include bundles in its selection list. It's technically not correct but it feels right to users. > After that, Rev sees it as a folder and "is there a file" will fail, > while "is there a folder" will return true. This is how the engine worked originally and the behavior was retained for all other functions outside of "answer". Bundles are folders, so it seems correct. > If you do "answer folder", you will not be able to select one of these bundles. True now, but you used to be able to. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mark at maseurope.net Sun Dec 9 00:19:05 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 05:19:05 +0000 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: As far as I can tell, a bundle (package) doesn't have a .DS_Store file at it's top level. This seems to apply to all the .bundle, .app, .rtfd, and .pages packages I've looked at so far. Empty folders seem to have no .DS_Store either. function isPackage tFolder set the directory to tFolder put tFolder & "/.DS_Store" into tFile return (there is no file tFile) AND (the files is not empty) end isPackage which will still miss an empty package... Best, Mark On 9 Dec 2007, at 03:50, Chipp Walters wrote: > Good one Sarah, now how to create an > > isBundle() function without the answer file command? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Dec 9 00:23:30 2007 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:23:30 -0600 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> Chipp Walters wrote: > Good one Sarah, now how to create an > > isBundle() function without the answer file command? Are you trying to identify any kind of bundle or just a specific type? You can read the first four characters of the /Contents/Pkginfo file to get the specific type; apps are APPL, bundles are BNDL, etc. Just the existence of a /Contents/Pkginfo file itself is fairly persuasive for identifying a generic bundle or package, and if the contents of the file are exactly 8 characters you can be pretty sure you've got yourself a bundle. Off the top of my head, for generic bundles: function isBundle pPath put "/Contents/PkgInfo" after pPath return len(url ("file:"&pPath)) = 8 end isBundle Or for specific ones, like .band files: function isBundle pPath put "/Contents/PkgInfo" after pPath return char 1 to 4 of url ("file:"&pPath) = "BNDL" end isBundle -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mark at maseurope.net Sun Dec 9 00:32:32 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 05:32:32 +0000 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: Sadly, the presence of /contents/pkginfo or info.plist is not guaranteed. The .rtfd package/files that TextEdit produces on this machine don't have them, but the finder still treats the .rtfd files as packages. Best, Mark On 9 Dec 2007, at 05:23, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Chipp Walters wrote: >> Good one Sarah, now how to create an >> isBundle() function without the answer file command? > > Are you trying to identify any kind of bundle or just a specific type? > > You can read the first four characters of the /Contents/Pkginfo > file to get the specific type; apps are APPL, bundles are BNDL, > etc. Just the existence of a /Contents/Pkginfo file itself is > fairly persuasive for identifying a generic bundle or package, and > if the contents of the file are exactly 8 characters you can be > pretty sure you've got yourself a bundle. > > Off the top of my head, for generic bundles: > > function isBundle pPath > put "/Contents/PkgInfo" after pPath > return len(url ("file:"&pPath)) = 8 > end isBundle > > Or for specific ones, like .band files: > > function isBundle pPath > put "/Contents/PkgInfo" after pPath > return char 1 to 4 of url ("file:"&pPath) = "BNDL" > end isBundle > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Dec 9 00:39:56 2007 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 23:39:56 -0600 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Smith wrote: > Sadly, the presence of /contents/pkginfo or info.plist is not > guaranteed. The .rtfd package/files that TextEdit produces on this > machine don't have them, but the finder still treats the .rtfd files as > packages. You're right, I didn't look at those. So much for that theory. I looked at apps, packages, and garage band files and they all worked. I don't think looking at .DS_store files works, because those are only created by the Finder after a folder has been opened. Unviewed folders don't have those generally. There's probably another way to do this but Richard is likely right that it is better to use the OS if possible. If we knew why Chipp needed the info it might help. I've never needed it myself, since the only times I generally script inside of packages are with my own standalones. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Dec 9 03:12:41 2007 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 02:12:41 -0600 Subject: Standalone Text Field problem for WindowsXP In-Reply-To: <04F902D0-7F50-41A8-9E43-7F7909FD8DE0@cox.net> References: <04F902D0-7F50-41A8-9E43-7F7909FD8DE0@cox.net> Message-ID: <20071209021241324746.2c40e5d2@sonsothunder.com> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:40:24 -0800, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > As it turns out, much of the "missing" text is actually there. It > just can't be seen. I thought it might be that the color for the text > was being set to "white", but that isn't the problem. The Menu hot > keys work, but the menus themselves are still invisible. It may be that the group of buttons that "is" the menu is just above the top of the stack window. Here's how to test: put the menubar of this stack into tMBarGroup put the top of group tMBarGroup For Windows, it shouldn't be negative... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From chipp at chipp.com Sun Dec 9 08:59:01 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 07:59:01 -0600 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> Mark, Your solution seems like a winner, except for the newly created and empty folder situation. Jacque, Here's one example: I've got a product that resizes graphics, but I don't want them to 'go into' a package and find and resize the graphics there. How to know if you're in a 'package' or 'bundle'? I suppose this whole thing started when I commented "what a pain" when Klaus announced the existence of more than just app bundles. Others responded by pointing out the benefits of bundle/packages, and my answer was 'it's still a pain for us programmers.' Appears I'm not too far off base ;-) OT: Gmail does a great job of handling threads in forums like this one. For me it's simple to view an entire thread. From mark at maseurope.net Sun Dec 9 10:29:09 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:29:09 +0000 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: It's definitely a pain for Rev programmers until a general and reliable isPackage() function or somesuch is available. I don't think any of the things discussed so far will give a definitive answer as to the packageness of a folder. Checking .suffixes will work, but the list of suffixes probably can't be exhaustive, the absence of a .DS_Store is not reliable (a package that has been a regular folder may well have one, a regular folder may not have one), and the presence of /Contents/PkgInfo or /Contents/ Info.plist is also not guaranteed ( though the only packages I've seen so far without a pkgInfo or info.plist are .rtfd and .band ). Definitely a pain. Perhaps this should be an enhancement request in the qa centre? Best, Mark On 9 Dec 2007, at 13:59, Chipp Walters wrote: > I suppose this whole thing started when I commented "what a pain" when > Klaus announced the existence of more than just app bundles. Others > responded by pointing out the benefits of bundle/packages, and my > answer was 'it's still a pain for us programmers.' > > Appears I'm not too far off base ;-) From klaus at major-k.de Sun Dec 9 10:40:03 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:40:03 +0100 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1A284759-D811-4F10-B887-AEF795736124@major-k.de> Hi Mark, > It's definitely a pain for Rev programmers until a general and > reliable isPackage() function or somesuch is available. > I don't think any of the things discussed so far will give a > definitive answer as to the packageness of a folder. > Checking .suffixes will work, but the list of suffixes probably > can't be exhaustive, the absence of a .DS_Store is not reliable (a > package that has been a regular folder may well have one, a regular > folder may not have one), and the presence of /Contents/PkgInfo or / > Contents/Info.plist is also not guaranteed ( though the only > packages I've seen so far without a pkgInfo or info.plist are .rtfd > and .band ). > Definitely a pain. > Perhaps this should be an enhancement request in the qa centre? Already in there: 5549 Reported by me who started this thread a long time ago ;-) > Best, > > Mark Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From mark at maseurope.net Sun Dec 9 10:56:34 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:56:34 +0000 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: <1A284759-D811-4F10-B887-AEF795736124@major-k.de> References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> <1A284759-D811-4F10-B887-AEF795736124@major-k.de> Message-ID: <49B677B2-6C57-4C31-A588-9A85A57881E2@maseurope.net> It's been a bit of a journey, hasn't it :) Anyway, I've added the suggestion for an 'isPackage()' function to 5549. Best, Mark On 9 Dec 2007, at 15:40, Klaus Major wrote: > Hi Mark, > >> It's definitely a pain for Rev programmers until a general and >> reliable isPackage() function or somesuch is available. >> I don't think any of the things discussed so far will give a >> definitive answer as to the packageness of a folder. >> Checking .suffixes will work, but the list of suffixes probably >> can't be exhaustive, the absence of a .DS_Store is not reliable (a >> package that has been a regular folder may well have one, a >> regular folder may not have one), and the presence of /Contents/ >> PkgInfo or /Contents/Info.plist is also not guaranteed ( though >> the only packages I've seen so far without a pkgInfo or info.plist >> are .rtfd and .band ). >> Definitely a pain. >> Perhaps this should be an enhancement request in the qa centre? > > Already in there: 5549 > Reported by me who started this thread a long time ago ;-) > >> Best, >> >> Mark > > Regards > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pepetoo at cox.net Sun Dec 9 11:15:23 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 08:15:23 -0800 Subject: Standalone Text Field problem for WindowsXP In-Reply-To: <20071209021241324746.2c40e5d2@sonsothunder.com> References: <04F902D0-7F50-41A8-9E43-7F7909FD8DE0@cox.net> <20071209021241324746.2c40e5d2@sonsothunder.com> Message-ID: Hi Ken, I believe I mentioned in a subsequent posting that what you suggest WAS the case; however, fixing that still did not fully resolve the problem. My biggest question regarding that subject is: "How in the devil did the menubar get way up there in the first place?" I sure didn't put it there when it was created. That has me stumped. Thanks, anyway. Joe Wilkins On Dec 9, 2007, at 12:12 AM, Ken Ray wrote: > On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 23:40:24 -0800, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > >> As it turns out, much of the "missing" text is actually there. It >> just can't be seen. I thought it might be that the color for the text >> was being set to "white", but that isn't the problem. The Menu hot >> keys work, but the menus themselves are still invisible. > > It may be that the group of buttons that "is" the menu is just above > the top of the stack window. Here's how to test: > > put the menubar of this stack into tMBarGroup > put the top of group tMBarGroup > > For Windows, it shouldn't be negative... > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From toncardona at mac.com Sun Dec 9 11:15:30 2007 From: toncardona at mac.com (Ton Cardona) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 17:15:30 +0100 Subject: Accents etc Message-ID: Thanks, Devin, it is certainly a bug but will it ever be fixed? Ton Cardona From mark at maseurope.net Sun Dec 9 11:45:06 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:45:06 +0000 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: <49B677B2-6C57-4C31-A588-9A85A57881E2@maseurope.net> References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> <1A284759-D811-4F10-B887-AEF795736124@major-k.de> <49B677B2-6C57-4C31-A588-9A85A57881E2@maseurope.net> Message-ID: Finally, here is my attempt at a workaround: function isPackage pFolder -- first check for presence of PkgInfo if char -1 of pFolder is "/" then delete char -1 of pFolder if there is a file (pFolder & "/Contents/PkgInfo") then return true -- if still here, then check suffix put "bundle,app,pages,numbers,key,band,rtfd" into suffixList -- this needs filling out! repeat with n = length(pFolder) down to 1 if char n of pFolder is "." then delete char 1 to n of pFolder exit repeat end if end repeat if pFolder is among the items of suffixList then return true -- would check the bundle bit, but don't know how! return false end isPackage function thePackages -- works like 'the files/folders' ie. you have to set the directory, but call with get thePackages() put the folders into foList repeat for each line L in foList if isPackage(L) then put L & cr after tList end repeat return char 1 to -2 of tList end thePackages Best, Mark On 9 Dec 2007, at 15:56, Mark Smith wrote: > It's been a bit of a journey, hasn't it :) Anyway, I've added the > suggestion for an 'isPackage()' function to 5549. > > Best, > > Mark > > On 9 Dec 2007, at 15:40, Klaus Major wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >>> It's definitely a pain for Rev programmers until a general and >>> reliable isPackage() function or somesuch is available. >>> I don't think any of the things discussed so far will give a >>> definitive answer as to the packageness of a folder. >>> Checking .suffixes will work, but the list of suffixes probably >>> can't be exhaustive, the absence of a .DS_Store is not reliable >>> (a package that has been a regular folder may well have one, a >>> regular folder may not have one), and the presence of /Contents/ >>> PkgInfo or /Contents/Info.plist is also not guaranteed ( though >>> the only packages I've seen so far without a pkgInfo or >>> info.plist are .rtfd and .band ). >>> Definitely a pain. >>> Perhaps this should be an enhancement request in the qa centre? >> >> Already in there: 5549 >> Reported by me who started this thread a long time ago ;-) >> >>> Best, >>> >>> Mark >> >> Regards >> >> Klaus Major >> klaus at major-k.de >> http://www.major-k.de >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Dec 9 13:57:02 2007 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:57:02 -0600 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <475C3A7E.4030403@hyperactivesw.com> Mark Smith wrote: > Checking .suffixes will work, but the list of suffixes probably can't be > exhaustive, the absence of a .DS_Store is not reliable (a package that > has been a regular folder may well have one, a regular folder may not > have one), and the presence of /Contents/PkgInfo or /Contents/Info.plist > is also not guaranteed ( though the only packages I've seen so far > without a pkgInfo or info.plist are .rtfd and .band ). Not that it solves the problem, but the .band files on my drive have a pkgInfo file. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mark at maseurope.net Sun Dec 9 14:27:01 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 19:27:01 +0000 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: <475C3A7E.4030403@hyperactivesw.com> References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> <475C3A7E.4030403@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: <1F0C4534-2133-4271-A328-62D85A799D3C@maseurope.net> So do most of mine - but some older ones I have from earlier versions don't. What fun! Best, Mark On 9 Dec 2007, at 18:57, J. Landman Gay wrote: > Mark Smith wrote: > >> Checking .suffixes will work, but the list of suffixes probably >> can't be exhaustive, the absence of a .DS_Store is not reliable (a >> package that has been a regular folder may well have one, a >> regular folder may not have one), and the presence of /Contents/ >> PkgInfo or /Contents/Info.plist is also not guaranteed ( though >> the only packages I've seen so far without a pkgInfo or info.plist >> are .rtfd and .band ). > > Not that it solves the problem, but the .band files on my drive > have a pkgInfo file. > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From paulgabel at comcast.net Sun Dec 9 14:36:38 2007 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:36:38 -0800 Subject: Standalone error message problem Message-ID: Hello everyone: Even though I built standalones using Rev 2.8.1 before, all of a sudden I'm getting the error message "You don't have one of the selected engines." Then the standalone building process stops. I can't find any reference to this in the docs. This does not happen when I build a standalone of the same stack in Rev 2.9 beta 9. Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? Paul Gabel iMac Intel Leopard From paulgabel at comcast.net Sun Dec 9 15:00:18 2007 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:00:18 -0800 Subject: Rev 2.9 button problem Message-ID: <5796CA72-1134-44AA-9486-477EDE0C802A@comcast.net> Hello everyone: When I build a standalone using Rev 2.9 beta 9, my rectangle buttons will neither play a sound nor move according to the scripts below, even though they work perfectly in the IDE. on mouseDown -- in the button script moveButtons end mouseDown ------------- on moveButtons -- in the main stack script set the playloudness of audioClip "Click 3.aif" to 50 play audioClip "Click 3.aif" move the target relative 2,2 in 4 ticks move the target relative -2,-2 in 4 ticks end moveButtons Usually the button script (other included commands) will function, but sometimes not. I filed a bug report about this with quality control, but now I'm wondering if anyone else has observed this problem, or could try to duplicate it in the 2.9 beta. Thank you. Paul Gabel iMac Intel Leopard From paulgabel at comcast.net Sun Dec 9 15:04:08 2007 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:04:08 -0800 Subject: Rev 2.9 beta 9 script editor problem Message-ID: Hello everyone: Can anyone using the latest Rev 2.9 beta verify this? In the script editor I am no longer able to select a word or phrase and option-drag it to a new location, as I could in Rev 2.8.1. Paul Gabel iMac Intel Leopard From devin_asay at byu.edu Sun Dec 9 20:19:13 2007 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 18:19:13 -0700 Subject: Rev 2.9 beta 9 script editor problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <53337466-3A6A-477D-A3CE-DCC89EEEF175@byu.edu> Hi Paul, RunRev knows about this problem. See Bug # 5542. The problem is the drag-copy operation was inadvertently mapped to the Command (apple) key on OS X instead of the option key. Devin On Dec 9, 2007, at 1:04 PM, Paul Gabel wrote: > Hello everyone: > > Can anyone using the latest Rev 2.9 beta verify this? In the script > editor I am no longer able to select a word or phrase and option- > drag it to a new location, as I could in Rev 2.8.1. > > Paul Gabel > > iMac Intel > Leopard > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From userev at canelasoftware.com Mon Dec 10 01:37:26 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 22:37:26 -0800 Subject: start player with rtsp://... In-Reply-To: <48EF2C92-BFEF-4C93-BED2-43EFE2607D43@together.net> References: <6F87D9AE-36E7-415B-8A0C-0613ED923562@canelasoftware.com> <48EF2C92-BFEF-4C93-BED2-43EFE2607D43@together.net> Message-ID: On Dec 7, 2007, at 3:58 AM, Richard Miller wrote: > Mark, > > As I recall, I had the same problem and discovered I needed to > create a new, identical player (by script), and delete the old > player, every time I needed the player to play an rtsp url. Then > the "start player" command would work fine. Before creating the new > player, of course, the script should keep track of all the relevant > information about the previous player (rect, borders, alwaysbuffer, > showController, etc.) so it can seamlessly create a new player > without the user seeing what is happening. > > Yes... this is a workaround for a bug. > Hi Richard, I will take a workaround over just the bug any day. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll give it a try and see how it goes. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 03:25:05 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:25:05 +0800 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 9, 2007 9:59 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Here's one example: I've got a product that resizes graphics, but I > don't want them to 'go into' a package and find and resize the > graphics there. How to know if you're in a 'package' or 'bundle'? > > Sorry, been out of the loop for a couple of days, but here's my suggested starting point; put this in a do statement: tell application "AppleScript" files of folder "Disc:folderA:folder1" end tell reports only Apple recognised files in the provided location tell application "AppleScript" folders of folder "Disc:folderB:folder2" end tell reports only Apple recognised folders in the provided locations tell application "AppleScript" packages of folder "Disc:folderC:folder3" end tell reports only Apple recognised packages in that location. For added convenience, but slightly confusing depending on which side of the fence you're on, the packages are reported as either 'application files' which are of course folders that are applications, and 'document files' which are of course folders that look like files (.band,.rtfd,.key) One simple test I did, was that packages are the only folders that seem to have a '.suffix', I've never thought anyone else would actually name a folder with a .suffix, so I did, and the above correctly identified "test folder.test" as a simple folder. Sorry I haven't got around to producing the desired function, I'm a little busy with my day job right know, but given time I think I'd be able to come up with something. As someone else has said, for me I've only ever needed to delve into packages that I've created so I know where I am and where I want things to go. I've never really had a need to delve inside someone else's package, but for those that do, I hope the above gets you on your way. From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 03:36:53 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:36:53 +0800 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 10, 2007 4:25 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > > tell application "AppleScript" > it would help if I read what I wrote:-(((( they should all say: tell application "Finder" etc sorry for the confusion, just far too busy right now :-(( From eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr Mon Dec 10 02:21:58 2007 From: eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_Miclo?=) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:21:58 +0100 Subject: Extracting a column In-Reply-To: <5796CA72-1134-44AA-9486-477EDE0C802A@comcast.net> References: <5796CA72-1134-44AA-9486-477EDE0C802A@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hello, Does somebody know if there is a "quick" way to extract a column from a tab limited list (in a field or a variable)? By "quick" I mean I'm not obliged to cycle through all the lines of my var because it can be quite long. I've tried to use array but the transpose function doesn't work if the number of columns is not the same as the number of lines. Or can I do something else with an array to achieve that goal? Thanks, best, ?rIC -- My NeXT computer will Be a Mac too! -- From klaus at major-k.de Mon Dec 10 05:30:49 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:30:49 +0100 Subject: Extracting a column In-Reply-To: References: <5796CA72-1134-44AA-9486-477EDE0C802A@comcast.net> Message-ID: Bonjour ?ric, > Hello, > > Does somebody know if there is a "quick" way to extract a column > from a tab limited list (in a field or a variable)? > By "quick" I mean I'm not obliged to cycle through all the lines of > my var because it can be quite long. > > I've tried to use array but the transpose function doesn't work if > the number of columns is not the same as the number of lines. > Or can I do something else with an array to achieve that goal? use the new "split" command! ... put "your data here" into myvar put 2 into my_column ## The number of column you want to extract split myvar by column ## turns your data into an array! put myvar[my_column] into my_column_data ... Done :-) > Thanks, best, > > ?rIC Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Mon Dec 10 05:36:51 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:36:51 +0000 Subject: Extracting a column In-Reply-To: References: <5796CA72-1134-44AA-9486-477EDE0C802A@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 10 Dec 2007, at 07:21, ?ric Miclo wrote: > Does somebody know if there is a "quick" way to extract a column > from a tab limited list (in a field or a variable)? > By "quick" I mean I'm not obliged to cycle through all the lines of > my var because it can be quite long. I think you're stuck with looping through and getting 'item 2 of line x'. Out of interest, how big are your variables? On a 2GHz MBP Rev loops through around five lines per millisecond in the test I just did. Ian From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Mon Dec 10 05:39:17 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:39:17 +0000 Subject: Extracting a column In-Reply-To: References: <5796CA72-1134-44AA-9486-477EDE0C802A@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 10 Dec 2007, at 10:30, Klaus Major wrote: > use the new "split" command! Hmm. Just a *tiny* bit faster... Ian From mark at maseurope.net Mon Dec 10 06:31:17 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:31:17 +0000 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: This is great! I couldn't find this anywhere. So here's a function that uses it - maybe someone has better code for converting the path to applescript. function thePackages pFolder set the itemdelimiter to "/" if item 2 of pFolder is "Volumes" then delete item 1 to 2 of pFolder else put line 1 of the volumes before pFolder end if replace "/" with ":" in pFolder put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & "packages of folder" && quote \ & pFolder & quote & cr & "end tell" into tScr do tScr as applescript put the result into tList replace comma with cr in tList repeat for each line L in tList get wordoffset("file", L) put word it + 1 of L & cr after tPackages end repeat replace quote with empty in tPackages return char 1 to -2 of tPackages end thePackages On 10 Dec 2007, at 08:25, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Dec 9, 2007 9:59 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: > > Here's one example: I've got a product that resizes graphics, but I >> don't want them to 'go into' a package and find and resize the >> graphics there. How to know if you're in a 'package' or 'bundle'? >> >> > Sorry, been out of the loop for a couple of days, but here's my > suggested > starting point; > > put this in a do statement: > > tell application "AppleScript" > files of folder "Disc:folderA:folder1" > end tell > > reports only Apple recognised files in the provided location > > tell application "AppleScript" > folders of folder "Disc:folderB:folder2" > end tell > > reports only Apple recognised folders in the provided locations > > tell application "AppleScript" > packages of folder "Disc:folderC:folder3" > end tell > > reports only Apple recognised packages in that location. > > For added convenience, but slightly confusing depending on which > side of the > fence you're on, the packages are reported as either 'application > files' > which are of course folders that are applications, and 'document > files' > which are of course folders that look like files (.band,.rtfd,.key) > > One simple test I did, was that packages are the only folders that > seem to > have a '.suffix', I've never thought anyone else would actually name a > folder with a .suffix, so I did, and the above correctly identified > "test > folder.test" as a simple folder. > > Sorry I haven't got around to producing the desired function, I'm a > little > busy with my day job right know, but given time I think I'd be > able to come > up with something. > > As someone else has said, for me I've only ever needed to delve into > packages that I've created so I know where I am and where I want > things to > go. I've never really had a need to delve inside someone else's > package, but > for those that do, I hope the above gets you on your way. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 08:44:10 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 21:44:10 +0800 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 10, 2007 7:31 PM, Mark Smith wrote: > This is great! I couldn't find this anywhere. So here's a function > that uses it Man, that was quick. > maybe someone has better code for converting the path > to applescript. > That I can do > > function thePackages pFolder > -- Automatically converts Rev paths to applescript paths put revMacFromUnixPath(pFolder) into pFolder put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & > "packages of folder" && quote \ > & pFolder & quote & cr & "end tell" into tScr > do tScr as applescript > put the result into tList > replace comma with cr in tList > > repeat for each line L in tList > get wordoffset("file", L) > put word it + 1 of L & cr after tPackages > end repeat > replace quote with empty in tPackages > return char 1 to -2 of tPackages > end thePackages > Thanks From mark at maseurope.net Mon Dec 10 08:47:35 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:47:35 +0000 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F6A8265-604C-4426-B62C-EB984DF788BE@maseurope.net> Thanks for that. It didn't occur to me to even look for it... Best, Mark On 10 Dec 2007, at 13:44, Kay C Lan wrote: > put revMacFromUnixPath(pFolder) into pFolder From david_beck at ministerschedulerpro.com Mon Dec 10 09:40:14 2007 From: david_beck at ministerschedulerpro.com (David Beck) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:40:14 -0300 Subject: using mySQL to communicate between PHP and Rev CGI Deamon Message-ID: <475D4FCE.50105@ministerschedulerpro.com> Has anybody tried to use a database backend such as mySQL as an intermediary between a frontend like php and a Rev application running as a backend deamon? The idea would be to have a php script insert "requests" into a mySQL database, and then have the Rev deamon constantly querying that database and processing any requests, placing the output for any request processed back in the database. The php script would wait for the results from the Rev deamon to "appear" in the database, and then would display those results to the user. Does this sound like a viable model? Has anybody had experience trying this out? Thanks! David From alex at harryscollar.com Mon Dec 10 09:55:09 2007 From: alex at harryscollar.com (Alex Shaw) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 00:55:09 +1000 Subject: using mySQL to communicate between PHP and Rev CGI Deamon In-Reply-To: <475D4FCE.50105@ministerschedulerpro.com> References: <475D4FCE.50105@ministerschedulerpro.com> Message-ID: <475D534D.6070608@harryscollar.com> Hi David I would recommend checking out: http://www2.sahores-conseil.com/insead/index_en.html And of course: http://www.andregarzia.com/RevOnRockets/index.html I've had great success running rev daemons on in-house and on public webhosts from using a combination of the above methods. regards alex David Beck wrote: > > Has anybody tried to use a database backend such as mySQL as an > intermediary between a frontend like php and a Rev application running > as a backend deamon? The idea would be to have a php script insert > "requests" into a mySQL database, and then have the Rev deamon > constantly querying that database and processing any requests, placing > the output for any request processed back in the database. The php > script would wait for the results from the Rev deamon to "appear" in the > database, and then would display those results to the user. > > Does this sound like a viable model? Has anybody had experience trying > this out? > From dave at looktowindward.com Mon Dec 10 10:37:26 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:37:26 +0000 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: References: <5796CA72-1134-44AA-9486-477EDE0C802A@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi All, I'm trying to get the Menubar to work on Windows, it works fine on Mac OS X. In the preOpenStack hander I execute: set the menubar of this stack to myMenuBarGroupLongName Which Displays the Menu Bar on Mac and I expected it to display the Menubar in the stack that is being executed in windows, but instead nothing seems to happen, e.g. the Window is the same as before the "set the menubar" code was executed. So how do I get the menubar displayed under Windows??? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon Dec 10 10:43:52 2007 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:43:52 -0700 Subject: Accents etc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9532300E-E918-441C-8323-A0AE66D5F31B@byu.edu> On Dec 9, 2007, at 9:15 AM, Ton Cardona wrote: > Thanks, Devin, it is certainly a bug but will it ever be fixed? I hope so. RunRev's comment on the bug report indicates that it should be a simple fix. I'll post a comment to the bug report asking if there is a proposed fix target. devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Mon Dec 10 10:54:11 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:54:11 +0000 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: References: <5796CA72-1134-44AA-9486-477EDE0C802A@comcast.net> Message-ID: If you look at the docs for 'menubar' you'll see that it is a Mac- specific property. This is because the menubar is the bar appearing at the top of the screen (not the top of each window), which doesn't exist on Windows or Linux. If the stack's menubar property isn't set to the group it should be visible at the top of the window, normal for Windows. Ian On 10 Dec 2007, at 15:37, Dave wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm trying to get the Menubar to work on Windows, it works fine on > Mac OS X. > > In the preOpenStack hander I execute: > > set the menubar of this stack to myMenuBarGroupLongName > > Which Displays the Menu Bar on Mac and I expected it to display the > Menubar in the stack that is being executed in windows, but instead > nothing seems to happen, e.g. the Window is the same as before the > "set the menubar" code was executed. > > So how do I get the menubar displayed under Windows??? > > Thanks a lot > > All the Best > Dave > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Dec 10 11:24:42 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:24:42 -0800 Subject: Extracting a column Message-ID: <475D684A.8090107@fourthworld.com> Klaus Major wrote: >> Does somebody know if there is a "quick" way to extract a column >> from a tab limited list (in a field or a variable)? >> By "quick" I mean I'm not obliged to cycle through all the lines of >> my var because it can be quite long. >> >> I've tried to use array but the transpose function doesn't work if >> the number of columns is not the same as the number of lines. >> Or can I do something else with an array to achieve that goal? > > use the new "split" command! > ... > put "your data here" into myvar > put 2 into my_column > ## The number of column you want to extract > split myvar by column > ## turns your data into an array! > put myvar[my_column] into my_column_data > ... Well done, Klaus. I'd forgotten that the "split" command has been extended with the "column" token, and since I have a data management library that I use in a number of apps I decided to test this against the "repeat for each line" method I'm currently using. It seems that even with the convenience of the new form of "split", the "repeat for each line" method is still faster - here are the results of this morning's test: Split: 1101 ms (490.46 lines/ms) Repeat: 499 ms (1082.16 lines/ms) Same results?: true (MacBook Pro 2.16GHz, OS X 10.4.11) While the relative benchmarks favor "repeat for each", in absolute terms being able to extract a column from half a million lines per second isn't bad. :) Here's the code - please let me know if I've missed something here which may be skewing the results: on mouseUp set cursor to watch -- -- Number of times to run the test: put 1000 into n -- -- "src" contains a tab-delimited list of 540 lines: put fld "src" into tData -- -- TEST 1: split put the millisecs into t repeat n put GetCol1(tData, 2) into tmp1 end repeat put the millisecs - t into t1 -- -- TEST 2: repeat for each: put the millisecs into t repeat n put GetCol2(tData, 2) into tmp2 end repeat put the millisecs - t into t2 -- -- Display results: put tmp1 into fld "r1" put tmp2 into fld "r2" -- -- Display times and verify that the -- results are the same: put N * the number of lines of tData into x set the numberformat to "0.##" put "Split: "&t1 &" ms ("& x/t1 &" lines/ms)"& \ cr& "Repeat: "&t2 &" ms ("& x/t2 &" lines/ms)"&\ cr&"Same results?: "&(tmp1 = tmp2) end mouseUp -- -- TEST 1: split -- function GetCol1 pData, pCol split pData by column return pData[pCol] end GetCol1 -- -- TEST 2: repeat for each -- function GetCol2 pData, pCol put empty into tVal set the itemdel to tab repeat for each line tLine in pData put item pCol of tLine &cr after tVal end repeat delete last char of tVal return tVal end GetCol2 My test stack with a 540-line source field is at: go url "http://fourthworldlabs.com/getcol_test.rev" -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From effendi at wanadoo.fr Sun Dec 9 17:36:26 2007 From: effendi at wanadoo.fr (Francis Nugent Dixon) Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 23:36:26 +0100 Subject: Field of Card of Stack Message-ID: <10A4CF11-9C4F-4149-80AB-DC4038314608@wanadoo.fr> Hi from Paris, I include the following field/button/script mechanism in ALL my stacks as I create them. I can display a list of fields in any card of the stack, at any time. It helps me to ensure that I don't have two fields with the same name (so easy to do with the "duplicate" function), and also that I strictly adhere to my own field naming system. It doesn't solve all problems, but helps for clean living. Create a large field called "MySystemFieldList" in card 1 Create a button (label Showfields) on ALL cards, with this script : on mouseUp -- -- ShowField/HideField - V01 - 2006/03/31 - 16:00 - Creation -- -- This script displays the field names declared on -- this card in a field "MySystemFieldList". This field -- is filled and shown when the button is clicked, and -- is hidden when the button is clicked again. -- -- This script functions from any card in the stack, but -- always displays the data in a field in Card 1. -- if the label of me = "ShowFields" then put empty into field MySystemFieldList set the lockscreen to true put the number of fields in this card into LVFieldCount if LVFieldCount = 0 then put " No Fields declared" into line 2 of field MySystemFieldList show field MySystemFieldList set the lockscreen to false exit mouseUp end if set numberFormat to 00 put 0 into LVLineCount repeat LVFieldCount -- I know there are quicker ways to do this !!! So What !! add 1 to LVLineCount put LVLineCount & " - " & the name of field LVLineCount into line LVLineCount of LVSystemFieldList end repeat go to card 1 set the label of me to "HideFields" put LVSystemFieldList into field MySystemFieldList show field MySystemFieldList exit mouseUp end if if the label of me = "HideFields" then set the label of button FieldList to "ShowFields" hide field MySystemFieldList end if end mouseUp I also use a similar mechanism for variables, buttons and groups, but this is another story. Of course, the buttons which run these mechanisms are always present in my stacks, but are shown (by an invisible button) during development or stack update, but are hidden when delivered to the users. -Francis From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 12:59:52 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:59:52 -0800 Subject: Extracting a column In-Reply-To: <475D684A.8090107@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On 12/10/07 8:24 AM, "Richard Gaskin" wrote: > While the relative benchmarks favor "repeat for each", in absolute terms > being able to extract a column from half a million lines per second > isn't bad. :) > > Here's the code - please let me know if I've missed something here which > may be skewing the results: The type of file you are parsing could be one of the determining factors. Try generating a specific file structure put empty in tData put 4 into tCol -- run trials with tCol = 44, 444 put "A" into item tCol of tTemp -- run trials with a sentence as item 1 repeat 100000 put tTemp & cr after tData end repeat --number of cols, and the length of the content before the column for extracting could be the biggest factor. Col 2 extract could be a lot faster than col 9. In most cases, knowing which column(s) you wish to extract will mean you adjust your file format to put these closest to the first item. If you inherit the data or don't have a choice... c'est la guerre. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 12/10/07 8:24 AM, "Richard Gaskin" wrote: > Klaus Major wrote: > >>> Does somebody know if there is a "quick" way to extract a column >>> from a tab limited list (in a field or a variable)? >>> By "quick" I mean I'm not obliged to cycle through all the lines of >>> my var because it can be quite long. >>> >>> I've tried to use array but the transpose function doesn't work if >>> the number of columns is not the same as the number of lines. >>> Or can I do something else with an array to achieve that goal? >> >> use the new "split" command! >> ... >> put "your data here" into myvar >> put 2 into my_column >> ## The number of column you want to extract >> split myvar by column >> ## turns your data into an array! >> put myvar[my_column] into my_column_data >> ... > > Well done, Klaus. I'd forgotten that the "split" command has been > extended with the "column" token, and since I have a data management > library that I use in a number of apps I decided to test this against > the "repeat for each line" method I'm currently using. > > It seems that even with the convenience of the new form of "split", the > "repeat for each line" method is still faster - here are the results of > this morning's test: > > Split: 1101 ms (490.46 lines/ms) > Repeat: 499 ms (1082.16 lines/ms) > Same results?: true > > (MacBook Pro 2.16GHz, OS X 10.4.11) > > While the relative benchmarks favor "repeat for each", in absolute terms > being able to extract a column from half a million lines per second > isn't bad. :) > > > Here's the code - please let me know if I've missed something here which > may be skewing the results: > > on mouseUp > set cursor to watch > -- > -- Number of times to run the test: > put 1000 into n > -- > -- "src" contains a tab-delimited list of 540 lines: > put fld "src" into tData > -- > -- TEST 1: split > put the millisecs into t > repeat n > put GetCol1(tData, 2) into tmp1 > end repeat > put the millisecs - t into t1 > -- > -- TEST 2: repeat for each: > put the millisecs into t > repeat n > put GetCol2(tData, 2) into tmp2 > end repeat > put the millisecs - t into t2 > -- > -- Display results: > put tmp1 into fld "r1" > put tmp2 into fld "r2" > -- > -- Display times and verify that the > -- results are the same: > put N * the number of lines of tData into x > set the numberformat to "0.##" > put "Split: "&t1 &" ms ("& x/t1 &" lines/ms)"& \ > cr& "Repeat: "&t2 &" ms ("& x/t2 &" lines/ms)"&\ > cr&"Same results?: "&(tmp1 = tmp2) > end mouseUp > > -- > -- TEST 1: split > -- > function GetCol1 pData, pCol > split pData by column > return pData[pCol] > end GetCol1 > > -- > -- TEST 2: repeat for each > -- > function GetCol2 pData, pCol > put empty into tVal > set the itemdel to tab > repeat for each line tLine in pData > put item pCol of tLine &cr after tVal > end repeat > delete last char of tVal > return tVal > end GetCol2 > > > > My test stack with a 540-line source field is at: > > go url "http://fourthworldlabs.com/getcol_test.rev" > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Dec 10 14:39:34 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:39:34 -0800 Subject: Extracting a column Message-ID: <475D95F6.9060808@fourthworld.com> Jim Ault wrote: > --number of cols, and the length of the content before the column for > extracting could be the biggest factor. Col 2 extract could be a lot faster > than col 9. In most cases, knowing which column(s) you wish to extract will > mean you adjust your file format to put these closest to the first item. If > you inherit the data or don't have a choice... c'est la guerre. Excellent thoughts. I modified the test to generate data rather than using the canned data supplied, adding this near the top of the test handler: put "4" into t -- Make cols: put empty into tRow repeat with i = 1 to 500 put s & t into s put s & tab after tRow end repeat -- make rows: put empty into tData repeat with i = 1 to 500 put tRow &cr after tData end repeat delete last char of tData -- Verify sizes: set the itemdel to tab answer "Cols: "&the number of items of line 1 of tData &\ cr&"Rows: "& the number of lines of tData &\ cr&"Size: "&len(tData) This gave me a data set of 500 cols with 500 rows, with each column containing one more character than the last, the longest being 501 chars, with a total size of 63,125,499 chars. I left the functions themselves unchanged. Having it get column 490 gave me these results: Split: 32110 ms (0.16 lines/ms) Repeat: 3946 ms (1.27 lines/ms) Same results?: true Getting column 2 gave me: Split: 39192 ms (0.13 lines/ms) Repeat: 2495 ms (2 lines/ms) Same results?: true So then I tried a very horizontal data set of just 20 rows but with 2000 columns in each, for a total size of 40,100,019 chars. Grabbing column 1999 from this data set gave me: Split: 7849 ms (0.03 lines/ms) Repeat: 2328 ms (0.09 lines/ms) Same results?: true So I think what we're seeing is that the overhead of parsing applies to both methods. On the one hand, the "split" command ramps more gracefully the more horizontal the data gets when accessing items at the end of each row, but on the other hand its performance remains roughly the same no matter which item is obtained while "repeat for each" shows improvement with items closer to the left. And in all cases tested, "repeat for each" continues to best "split" in overall performance. I imagine we could come up with a data set for which "split" outperforms "repeat for each", but my data sets are well under 20 MBs each (more commonly < 5 MBs), almost never exceeding 150 columns and each column in a given row would very rarely contain more than 1k, so these tests cover most real-world scenarios for my needs. Just the same, if someone comes up with a real-world scenario in which "split" outperforms "repeat for each" I'd be very interested in learning what that data looks like and how it's used. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From wow at together.net Mon Dec 10 14:45:44 2007 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:45:44 -0500 Subject: Starting a cgi process In-Reply-To: <10A4CF11-9C4F-4149-80AB-DC4038314608@wanadoo.fr> References: <10A4CF11-9C4F-4149-80AB-DC4038314608@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: I assume there's a simple way to do the following, but I can't find it in the documentation. I understand how to use a form to pass data to, and start, a Rev cgi process, for example:
.... form data goes in here, which is received in the Rev script through $QUERY_STRING
How do I pass data to, and start, a Rev cgi process using just a hyperlink? I'm guessing I can use this type of html syntax: References: <10A4CF11-9C4F-4149-80AB-DC4038314608@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <1F4224CC-D60A-4AC8-8940-B643DA7843E8@maseurope.net> You need a '?' http://myserver/cgi/myrevscript.mt?name1=tom,name2=dick name1=tom,name2=dick will be in $QUERY_STRING Best, Mark On 10 Dec 2007, at 19:45, Richard Miller wrote: > I assume there's a simple way to do the following, but I can't find > it in the documentation. > > I understand how to use a form to pass data to, and start, a Rev > cgi process, for example: > >
> .... form data goes in here, which is received in the Rev script > through $QUERY_STRING > >
> > How do I pass data to, and start, a Rev cgi process using just a > hyperlink? > > I'm guessing I can use this type of html syntax: > with something coming after ".cgi" which can pass data to the Rev > cgi script. > > What's the syntax for creating the hyperlink and then receiving and > parsing the data in the script? > > Thanks. > Richard Miller > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From wow at together.net Mon Dec 10 15:14:07 2007 From: wow at together.net (Richard Miller) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:14:07 -0500 Subject: Starting a cgi process In-Reply-To: References: <10A4CF11-9C4F-4149-80AB-DC4038314608@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: <9DFDAA69-0D82-46CE-B8F2-0D6F94A950DB@together.net> Never mind. Figured it out. QUERY_STRING picked up and returned everything after a "?" (which followed my usual URL to the cgi script). Richard From janschenkel at yahoo.com Mon Dec 10 15:25:09 2007 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:25:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: Starting a cgi process In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <390951.46082.qm@web60517.mail.yahoo.com> --- Richard Miller wrote: > I assume there's a simple way to do the following, > but I can't find > it in the documentation. > > I understand how to use a form to pass data to, and > start, a Rev cgi > process, for example: > >
action="http://myserver/cgi-bin/DoRevRoutine.cgi" > method="get"> > .... form data goes in here, which is received in > the Rev script > through $QUERY_STRING > >
> > How do I pass data to, and start, a Rev cgi process > using just a > hyperlink? > > I'm guessing I can use this type of html syntax: > with something coming after ".cgi" which can pass > data to the Rev cgi > script. > > What's the syntax for creating the hyperlink and > then receiving and > parsing the data in the script? > > Thanks. > Richard Miller > Hi Richard, For CGI scripts that are called using the HTTP GET method, you'll take the URL and append a question mark and a URL-encoded version of the parameters, where the parameters are in key-value pairs with an equal sign between the key and the value, and multiple parameters separated by ampersands. Example: Your CGI script will then get the $QUERY_STRING: "param1=value1¶m2=value2" If your CGI script uses the POST method, you can use the libUrlFormData function - see the Revolution dictionary for detailed information. Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From randall at randallreetz.com Mon Dec 10 17:32:58 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 14:32:58 -0800 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <4192AB2D-A778-45A1-94D4-CD8858219012@randallreetz.com> Struggling with AppleScript. All I want to do is run a script that opens a finder folder from a path (i.e. Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder:). Well, this morning it works (after a reboot). Last night it wouldn't. Same exact script... from Script Editor and from SuperCard (oops). Also, and I have no idea if this is related, copy and paste is not working (on my 1GHz PowerBook PowerPC G4 10.4.11). Also, before my reboot this morning, my computer wouldn't open folders from the Doc Bar. What could these problems be caused by? Any ideas? Randall From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 10 18:05:00 2007 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 15:05:00 -0800 Subject: Getting vScroll movement of a field scrollbar In-Reply-To: <20071210180005.138AB48940C@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071210180005.138AB48940C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I have a field with button superimposed on the text. I would like the buttons to scroll with the field. I set the field script to: local tStart on mouseDown put the vScroll of me into tStart end mouseDown on scrollbarDrag newValue put tStart & comma & newValue into msg box end scrollbarDrag The idea was to get the vertical movement of the scrollbar and move the buttons accordingly. But the field's scrollbar does not appear to get the mouseDown message and so I don't get the tStart variable How do I get the initial position of the scrollbar? Jim Hurley From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 20:26:23 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:26:23 +0800 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <4192AB2D-A778-45A1-94D4-CD8858219012@randallreetz.com> References: <4192AB2D-A778-45A1-94D4-CD8858219012@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: On Dec 11, 2007 6:32 AM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Struggling with AppleScript. > Aren't we all;-) (once you've got use to xTalk) First we'll start with the last problem Also, before my > reboot this morning, my computer wouldn't open folders from the Doc > Bar. What could these problems be caused by? Any ideas? > First, try using Disk Utility to 'Repair Permissions'. If that doesn't help, drag the current Icon of the folder off the Dock and then Drag the required folder back onto the Dock. > > Also, and I have no idea if this is related, copy and paste is not > working (on my 1GHz PowerBook PowerPC G4 10.4.11). Depends on what your referring to. If you are talking about keyboard shortcuts in Rev IDE, or using AppleScript (and I believe the Windows equivalent or other programs like perl) to copy data to the clipboard and then use Rev to manipulate it, unfortunately there is a long history of this being a 'intermittent' hard to reproduce problem. Although for keyboard shortcuts the usual response is use the menu items, as these reliably work > > All I want to do is run a script that opens a finder folder from a > path (i.e . Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder:). > > Well, this morning it works (after a reboot). Last night it > wouldn't. Same exact script... from Script Editor and from SuperCard > (oops). > Your AppleScript should look something like this: --3 lines, watch line wraps tell application "Finder" open folder "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" end tell Your Rev script should look like this: --a do statement is single line so you'll need to unwrap this --the tricky bit is quotes and spaces in the right place do "tell application " & quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & "open folder " & quote & "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" & quote & cr & "end tell" as applescript If the idea is that you want your program to open the actual folder so a user knows where they are, the above approach is OK, if on the other hand you simply want to open the folder to determine what the contents are, or to be able to save files into it, there are quicker and easier ways in Rev to do that. HTH From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Mon Dec 10 20:52:06 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:52:06 +0800 Subject: Getting vScroll movement of a field scrollbar In-Reply-To: References: <20071210180005.138AB48940C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On Dec 11, 2007 7:05 AM, James Hurley wrote: > > I would like the buttons to scroll with the field. > try using mouseEnter on mouseEnter put the vScroll of me into tStart end mouseEnter HTH From eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr Mon Dec 10 06:55:44 2007 From: eric.miclo at wanadoo.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C9ric_Miclo?=) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 12:55:44 +0100 Subject: Extracting a column In-Reply-To: References: <5796CA72-1134-44AA-9486-477EDE0C802A@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2AB9EA96-ACB3-4945-AE31-FAD5BEF1AFC4@wanadoo.fr> Hello, Thanks a lot! I tried it with version ? 2.9 and wasn't able to make it work. I've just given a try under 2.8.1 and it works perfectly. Once again, thank you very much, best, ?rIC Le 10 d?c. 07 ? 11:30, Klaus Major a ?crit : > Bonjour ?ric, > >> Hello, >> >> Does somebody know if there is a "quick" way to extract a column >> from a tab limited list (in a field or a variable)? >> By "quick" I mean I'm not obliged to cycle through all the lines of >> my var because it can be quite long. >> >> I've tried to use array but the transpose function doesn't work if >> the number of columns is not the same as the number of lines. >> Or can I do something else with an array to achieve that goal? > > use the new "split" command! > ... > put "your data here" into myvar > put 2 into my_column > ## The number of column you want to extract > split myvar by column > ## turns your data into an array! > put myvar[my_column] into my_column_data > ... > > Done :-) > >> Thanks, best, >> >> ?rIC > > Regards > > Klaus Major > klaus at major-k.de > http://www.major-k.de > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- My NeXT computer will Be a Mac too! -- From randall at randallreetz.com Mon Dec 10 21:50:15 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:50:15 -0800 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <20071211025018.YGSB17369.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Thnks, what i was up against last night seems like it might be a "permissions" problem as i recently had to rebuild my computer's data from a backup. Thanks for the help. -----Original Message----- From: "Kay C Lan" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 12/10/2007 5:26 PM Subject: Re: (no subject) On Dec 11, 2007 6:32 AM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Struggling with AppleScript. > Aren't we all;-) (once you've got use to xTalk) First we'll start with the last problem Also, before my > reboot this morning, my computer wouldn't open folders from the Doc > Bar. What could these problems be caused by? Any ideas? > First, try using Disk Utility to 'Repair Permissions'. If that doesn't help, drag the current Icon of the folder off the Dock and then Drag the required folder back onto the Dock. > > Also, and I have no idea if this is related, copy and paste is not > working (on my 1GHz PowerBook PowerPC G4 10.4.11). Depends on what your referring to. If you are talking about keyboard shortcuts in Rev IDE, or using AppleScript (and I believe the Windows equivalent or other programs like perl) to copy data to the clipboard and then use Rev to manipulate it, unfortunately there is a long history of this being a 'intermittent' hard to reproduce problem. Although for keyboard shortcuts the usual response is use the menu items, as these reliably work > > All I want to do is run a script that opens a finder folder from a > path (i.e . Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder:). > > Well, this morning it works (after a reboot). Last night it > wouldn't. Same exact script... from Script Editor and from SuperCard > (oops). > Your AppleScript should look something like this: --3 lines, watch line wraps tell application "Finder" open folder "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" end tell Your Rev script should look like this: --a do statement is single line so you'll need to unwrap this --the tricky bit is quotes and spaces in the right place do "tell application " & quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & "open folder " & quote & "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" & quote & cr & "end tell" as applescript If the idea is that you want your program to open the actual folder so a user knows where they are, the above approach is OK, if on the other hand you simply want to open the folder to determine what the contents are, or to be able to save files into it, there are quicker and easier ways in Rev to do that. HTH _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Mon Dec 10 22:12:42 2007 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 19:12:42 -0800 Subject: Getting vScroll movement of a field scrollbar In-Reply-To: <20071210180005.138AB48940C@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071210180005.138AB48940C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > > On Dec 11, 2007 7:05 AM, James Hurley sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > > > > I would like the buttons to scroll with the field. > > > > try using mouseEnter > > on mouseEnter > put the vScroll of me into tStart > end mouseEnter > > HTH Kay, Good thought, but it doesn't work unless the mouse leaves and reenters the field. Jim From katir at hindu.org Mon Dec 10 23:04:21 2007 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:04:21 -1000 Subject: OT: Nobel Peace Prize Video Message-ID: <475E0C45.4090106@hindu.org> If you have time, don't miss it http://nobelprize.org/cgi-bin/asxgen.asx?id=795&type=award&year=2007 OSLO, NORWAY, December, 2007: When receiving the Nobel Peace Prize on behalf of his institution, the chief of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, said, "Coming as I do from India, a land which gave birth to civilization in ancient times and where much of the earlier tradition and wisdom guides actions even in modern times, the philosophy of 'Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam,' which means the whole universe is one family, must dominate global efforts to protect the global commons." See a video of Pachauri's entire speech, here <%20http://nobelprize.org/cgi-bin/asxgen.asx?id=795&type=award&year=2007>, which is an alarming litany of consequences of global warming. From scott at tactilemedia.com Mon Dec 10 23:38:48 2007 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:38:48 -0800 Subject: Getting vScroll movement of a field scrollbar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, James Hurley wrote: >> I would like the buttons to scroll with the field. I was wondering, do you even need to capture the scroll *before* scrollbarDrag? Can't you just capture the scroll at the beginning of your scrollbarDrag handler? Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 04:00:00 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:00:00 +0800 Subject: Getting vScroll movement of a field scrollbar In-Reply-To: References: <20071210180005.138AB48940C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On Dec 11, 2007 11:12 AM, James Hurley wrote: > > > > On Dec 11, 2007 7:05 AM, James Hurley > Good thought, but it doesn't work unless the mouse leaves and > reenters the field. Yes, but that shouldn't be a problem. I figured you'd do something like this: on scrollbarDrag tNewPosition --do fancy stuff put tNewPosition into tStart end scrollDrag That way, tStart is always being updated with the last position of the drag. There are probably other times you want to initialize tStart, like on openCard or openStack handlers, but as a last resort, the most up to date would be an 'one mouseEnter' handler. Once inside the field the 'on scrollbarDrag' message should keep track of every movement so all you need to do is update tStart after every move. HTH From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Tue Dec 11 07:46:45 2007 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:46:45 +0100 Subject: Getting vScroll movement of a field scrollbar In-Reply-To: References: <20071210180005.138AB48940C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <96BC4078-9E50-46FF-A821-B0B5A33F2503@inria.fr> Hello, Could be I am wrong (I don?t know what?s your aim with your buttons), but one solution could be to replace your buttons with images and use the imageSource of characters: - choose (if possible) a character that is impossible to appear in your field (e.g., $, ?, ?, %, ?). - set the textStyle of this character to link - past an image in your stack and - set the imageSource of the char to the ID number of this image. If the field has its lockText property set to true, then the image is clickable. Then, in the field script, you can have a handler of the following type : ON mouseUp IF the textstyle of the clicktext is ? link ? THEN - - the handler of your current button END IF END mouseUp Just an idea, don?t know if that could help Best regards from Grenoble Andr? Le 11 d?c. 07 ? 00:05, James Hurley a ?crit : > I have a field with button superimposed on the text. > > I would like the buttons to scroll with the field. > > I set the field script to: > > local tStart > > on mouseDown > put the vScroll of me into tStart > end mouseDown > > > on scrollbarDrag newValue > put tStart & comma & newValue into msg box > end scrollbarDrag > > The idea was to get the vertical movement of the scrollbar and move > the buttons accordingly. > > But the field's scrollbar does not appear to get the mouseDown > message and so I don't get the tStart variable > > How do I get the initial position of the scrollbar? > > Jim Hurley > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From dave at looktowindward.com Tue Dec 11 08:29:55 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:29:55 +0000 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: References: <5796CA72-1134-44AA-9486-477EDE0C802A@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2F7C768E-2366-477B-BAD1-74B9347B6232@looktowindward.com> Hi Ian, Thanks for the help, I realize I have to set the MenuBar property for Mac but are you saying that I should set it *only* for Mac? If so, how does it know which MenuBar to display under windows? I have the MenuBar in a separate stack and do something like this at present: set the menubar of this stack to myMenuBarGroupLongName Where "myMenuBarGroupLongName" is set to a Stack other than "this stack". Thanks a lot All the Best Dave On 10 Dec 2007, at 15:54, Ian Wood wrote: > If you look at the docs for 'menubar' you'll see that it is a Mac- > specific property. This is because the menubar is the bar appearing > at the top of the screen (not the top of each window), which > doesn't exist on Windows or Linux. > > If the stack's menubar property isn't set to the group it should be > visible at the top of the window, normal for Windows. > > Ian > > On 10 Dec 2007, at 15:37, Dave wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I'm trying to get the Menubar to work on Windows, it works fine on >> Mac OS X. >> >> In the preOpenStack hander I execute: >> >> set the menubar of this stack to myMenuBarGroupLongName >> >> Which Displays the Menu Bar on Mac and I expected it to display >> the Menubar in the stack that is being executed in windows, but >> instead nothing seems to happen, e.g. the Window is the same as >> before the "set the menubar" code was executed. >> >> So how do I get the menubar displayed under Windows??? >> >> Thanks a lot >> >> All the Best >> Dave >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Tue Dec 11 09:00:03 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:00:03 +0000 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <2F7C768E-2366-477B-BAD1-74B9347B6232@looktowindward.com> References: <5796CA72-1134-44AA-9486-477EDE0C802A@comcast.net> <2F7C768E-2366-477B-BAD1-74B9347B6232@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: <86AA98F7-3AF3-4868-83A0-AE9F540DC337@azurevision.co.uk> On 11 Dec 2007, at 13:29, Dave wrote: > Thanks for the help, I realize I have to set the MenuBar property > for Mac but are you saying that I should set it *only* for Mac? If > so, how does it know which MenuBar to display under windows? It should have no effect at all on Windows. > I have the MenuBar in a separate stack and do something like this > at present: > > set the menubar of this stack to myMenuBarGroupLongName > > Where "myMenuBarGroupLongName" is set to a Stack other than "this > stack". OK, I think that's the problem. Windows programmers will have to chip in here, but I think the menu group for a stack has to exist on that stack. Ian From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Tue Dec 11 09:04:38 2007 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:04:38 +0100 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <86AA98F7-3AF3-4868-83A0-AE9F540DC337@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi One has to consider that windows menu are in-window just like any other group of objects. While mac menus are not... I dont know how Rev handles mac menus, but once the menu group on windows is set, there's no more to it... When a PC made stack is run on OSX, does the menu work correctly? Regards, ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury Clearstream Services TNS NT LAN Server ext 36465 Voice: +352 243 3 6465 Fax: +352 243 63 6465 use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 11/12/2007 15:00:03: > > On 11 Dec 2007, at 13:29, Dave wrote: > > > Thanks for the help, I realize I have to set the MenuBar property > > for Mac but are you saying that I should set it *only* for Mac? If > > so, how does it know which MenuBar to display under windows? > > It should have no effect at all on Windows. > > > I have the MenuBar in a separate stack and do something like this > > at present: > > > > set the menubar of this stack to myMenuBarGroupLongName > > > > Where "myMenuBarGroupLongName" is set to a Stack other than "this > > stack". > > OK, I think that's the problem. Windows programmers will have to chip > in here, but I think the menu group for a stack has to exist on that > stack. > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clearstream Services S.A. 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. Luxembourg B 60911. ----------------------------------------- Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. 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Legally required information for business correspondence/ Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead END OF DISCLAIMER From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Tue Dec 11 10:02:08 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:02:08 +0100 Subject: Getting vScroll movement of a field scrollbar In-Reply-To: References: <20071210180005.138AB48940C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <7A404ABC-7D1F-466A-AA38-2C30726A921C@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Jim, May be I don't understand the problem ;-) But: I created a scrolling field, added a button overlaying the field and grouped both with group margins = zero. Then I locked the group: this makes the button disappear appropriately. In the script of the field: on scrollbardrag pPos set the top of btn "Test" to - pPos end scrollbardrag is the top of the button when field's vScroll = zero. In the script of the card: on preOpenCard send "scrollbardrag" && the vScroll of fld "ScrollingField" to fld "ScrollingField" end preOpenCard Actually this works for me in any case and I don't mind any initial position :-) What did I miss? Le 11 d?c. 07 ? 00:05, James Hurley a ?crit : > I have a field with button superimposed on the text. > > I would like the buttons to scroll with the field. > > I set the field script to: > > local tStart > > on mouseDown > put the vScroll of me into tStart > end mouseDown > > > on scrollbarDrag newValue > put tStart & comma & newValue into msg box > end scrollbarDrag > > The idea was to get the vertical movement of the scrollbar and move > the buttons accordingly. > > But the field's scrollbar does not appear to get the mouseDown > message and so I don't get the tStart variable > > How do I get the initial position of the scrollbar? > > Jim Hurley Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at looktowindward.com Tue Dec 11 10:17:27 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:17:27 +0000 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <995D3501-BE24-4F60-9E57-EAE592F613E1@looktowindward.com> On 11 Dec 2007, at 14:04, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: > Hi > > One has to consider that windows menu are in-window just like any > other > group of objects. While mac menus are not... > > I dont know how Rev handles mac menus, but once the menu group on > windows > is set, there's no more to it... This is what I don't understand. How to I set the "menu group" on Windows? I can (and have set it and it works ok on Mac). I have a Menubar group in a stack called "MenuBar" how can I use this menubar group as the menu bar for the current stack under Windows? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave > > When a PC made stack is run on OSX, does the menu work correctly? > > Regards, > ---------------------=--------------------- > Xavier Bury > Clearstream Services > TNS NT LAN Server > ext 36465 > Voice: +352 243 3 6465 > Fax: +352 243 63 6465 > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 11/12/2007 15:00:03: > >> >> On 11 Dec 2007, at 13:29, Dave wrote: >> >>> Thanks for the help, I realize I have to set the MenuBar property >>> for Mac but are you saying that I should set it *only* for Mac? If >>> so, how does it know which MenuBar to display under windows? >> >> It should have no effect at all on Windows. >> >>> I have the MenuBar in a separate stack and do something like this >>> at present: >>> >>> set the menubar of this stack to myMenuBarGroupLongName >>> >>> Where "myMenuBarGroupLongName" is set to a Stack other than "this >>> stack". >> >> OK, I think that's the problem. Windows programmers will have to chip >> in here, but I think the menu group for a stack has to exist on that >> stack. >> >> Ian >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Clearstream Services S.A. > 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg > Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability > in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. Luxembourg B 60911. > > > ----------------------------------------- > Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com > > IMPORTANT MESSAGE > > Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream > International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents > of this message. > > The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be > legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you > are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, > distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance > on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in > this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the > sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream > International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. > > Legally required information for business correspondence/ > Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: > http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead > > END OF DISCLAIMER > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Tue Dec 11 10:27:06 2007 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:27:06 +0100 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <995D3501-BE24-4F60-9E57-EAE592F613E1@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: Not sure of the syntax but either you say set the menubar [of this stack] to "whatevergroupname" or go to the menu builder and set it there via the edit button... Although i think there is or was a bug that made it forget which was the menugroup... I never had the issue as the window's menu is pretty much anything you want and i dont port my stacks to osx... use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 11/12/2007 16:17:27: > > On 11 Dec 2007, at 14:04, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: > > > Hi > > > > One has to consider that windows menu are in-window just like any > > other > > group of objects. While mac menus are not... > > > > I dont know how Rev handles mac menus, but once the menu group on > > windows > > is set, there's no more to it... > > This is what I don't understand. How to I set the "menu group" on > Windows? I can (and have set it and it works ok on Mac). I have a > Menubar group in a stack called "MenuBar" how can I use this menubar > group as the menu bar for the current stack under Windows? > > Thanks a lot > All the Best > Dave > > > > > When a PC made stack is run on OSX, does the menu work correctly? > > > > Regards, > > ---------------------=--------------------- > > Xavier Bury > > Clearstream Services > > TNS NT LAN Server > > ext 36465 > > Voice: +352 243 3 6465 > > Fax: +352 243 63 6465 > > > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 11/12/2007 15:00:03: > > > >> > >> On 11 Dec 2007, at 13:29, Dave wrote: > >> > >>> Thanks for the help, I realize I have to set the MenuBar property > >>> for Mac but are you saying that I should set it *only* for Mac? If > >>> so, how does it know which MenuBar to display under windows? > >> > >> It should have no effect at all on Windows. > >> > >>> I have the MenuBar in a separate stack and do something like this > >>> at present: > >>> > >>> set the menubar of this stack to myMenuBarGroupLongName > >>> > >>> Where "myMenuBarGroupLongName" is set to a Stack other than "this > >>> stack". > >> > >> OK, I think that's the problem. 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Legally required information for business correspondence/ Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead END OF DISCLAIMER From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Dec 11 10:36:57 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 07:36:57 -0800 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? Message-ID: <475EAE99.3060005@fourthworld.com> Dave wrote: > This is what I don't understand. How to I set the "menu group" on > Windows? I can (and have set it and it works ok on Mac). I have a > Menubar group in a stack called "MenuBar" how can I use this menubar > group as the menu bar for the current stack under Windows? From the Rev Dictionary entry for "menubar": On Mac OS systems, when a stack's menubar property is set, the stack is scrolled and resized on Mac OS systems so that the group is not visible in the stack window. (On Unix and Windows systems, this is not necessary, since the menu bar is normally displayed in the window.) On Windows (and pretty every other OS but Mac), the convention is the have menus at the top of the window. Only Mac detaches them to have a separate menu bar at the top of the monitor. To facilitate this, the menuBar property of a stack defines a group in a stack which will be automatically scrolled out of view when run on OS X, but will appear in place on all other systems. While contrary to convention, it's possible to have a menu bar on Windows which is separate from the stack. In fact, Rev does this, and one of the products we develop here does also (though we're in the process of redesigning it to adhere to convention in the next version). To have a separate menu bar on Windows just build the menu group in a separate stack and open it as palette so that it doesn't get covered by the other windows in your application. If your other windows are resizable you can also adjust the windowBoundingRect property to account for your menubar stack, so zooming won't submarine the top of the document below the menu stack. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Tue Dec 11 10:50:20 2007 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:50:20 +0100 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <475EAE99.3060005@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Hi Richard, While the idea of a floating menubar is really nice (and so NeXT like!), it does pose a few problems on windows: - win32 task bar object - rev here is a nightmare - click on one and the menubar still stays behind/hidden for example... - If you hide the application, dont forget to hide the menu - but maybe that's not wanted but maybe yes other times - submarining the menu as you mentioned - but sometimes it is the other way around. And there's a bug in RR where the palettes are submarined by the normal stacks (fixed in 2.9?) - it's not standard and most windows users hate separate menus (as far as i've heard and seen them moan) - a separate menu steals more desktop real-estate than an included menu There's reasons why it could be cool but when you are used to menus being always on top of the window, you dont have to look for them. The same goes for a Mac user who sees their window while the menu of another application (which is active with no [overlapping] windows) is visible... just my two revcents... ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 11/12/2007 16:36:57: > Dave wrote: > > This is what I don't understand. How to I set the "menu group" on > > Windows? I can (and have set it and it works ok on Mac). I have a > > Menubar group in a stack called "MenuBar" how can I use this menubar > > group as the menu bar for the current stack under Windows? > > From the Rev Dictionary entry for "menubar": > > On Mac OS systems, when a stack's menubar property is set, > the stack is scrolled and resized on Mac OS systems so that > the group is not visible in the stack window. (On Unix and > Windows systems, this is not necessary, since the menu bar > is normally displayed in the window.) > > On Windows (and pretty every other OS but Mac), the convention is the > have menus at the top of the window. Only Mac detaches them to have a > separate menu bar at the top of the monitor. To facilitate this, the > menuBar property of a stack defines a group in a stack which will be > automatically scrolled out of view when run on OS X, but will appear in > place on all other systems. > > While contrary to convention, it's possible to have a menu bar on > Windows which is separate from the stack. In fact, Rev does this, and > one of the products we develop here does also (though we're in the > process of redesigning it to adhere to convention in the next version). > > To have a separate menu bar on Windows just build the menu group in a > separate stack and open it as palette so that it doesn't get covered by > the other windows in your application. > > If your other windows are resizable you can also adjust the > windowBoundingRect property to account for your menubar stack, so > zooming won't submarine the top of the document below the menu stack. > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Managing Editor, revJournal > _______________________________________________________ > Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clearstream Services S.A. 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. 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Legally required information for business correspondence/ Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead END OF DISCLAIMER From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Tue Dec 11 11:38:10 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 17:38:10 +0100 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Xaxier, I do agree. When I came to Windows (without leaving the Mac: I work with since more than twenty years), I did not like the menus 'in' the windows. Question of habit ;-) But I have to say that, with large screens we have now, it's seems more appropriate... Actually, I build sophisticated applications without menus but toolbars (at the top of the window) AND contextual menus that appear more intuitive for more advanced users: hierarchy in the way to access provided functions sounds to me as an ergonomic rule. Letting this apart, Richard explanation is, as usual, complete and clear :-) One way to avoid problems is to begin a project with Win32 and just setting the menu bar group using the menu builder then switch to Mac... Le 11 d?c. 07 ? 16:50, xavier.bury at clearstream.com a ?crit : > Hi Richard, > > While the idea of a floating menubar is really nice (and so NeXT > like!), > it does pose a few problems on windows: > > - win32 task bar object - rev here is a nightmare - click on one > and the > menubar still stays behind/hidden for example... > - If you hide the application, dont forget to hide the menu - but > maybe > that's not wanted but maybe yes other times > - submarining the menu as you mentioned - but sometimes it is the > other > way around. And there's a bug in RR where the palettes are > submarined by > the normal stacks (fixed in 2.9?) > - it's not standard and most windows users hate separate menus (as > far as > i've heard and seen them moan) > - a separate menu steals more desktop real-estate than an included > menu > > There's reasons why it could be cool but when you are used to menus > being > always on top of the window, you dont have to look for them. > The same goes for a Mac user who sees their window while the menu of > another application (which is active with no [overlapping] windows) is > visible... > > just my two revcents... > ---------------------=--------------------- > Xavier Bury > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 11/12/2007 16:36:57: > >> Dave wrote: >>> This is what I don't understand. How to I set the "menu group" on >>> Windows? I can (and have set it and it works ok on Mac). I have a >>> Menubar group in a stack called "MenuBar" how can I use this menubar >>> group as the menu bar for the current stack under Windows? >> >> From the Rev Dictionary entry for "menubar": >> >> On Mac OS systems, when a stack's menubar property is set, >> the stack is scrolled and resized on Mac OS systems so that >> the group is not visible in the stack window. (On Unix and >> Windows systems, this is not necessary, since the menu bar >> is normally displayed in the window.) >> >> On Windows (and pretty every other OS but Mac), the convention is the >> have menus at the top of the window. Only Mac detaches them to >> have a >> separate menu bar at the top of the monitor. To facilitate this, the >> menuBar property of a stack defines a group in a stack which will be >> automatically scrolled out of view when run on OS X, but will >> appear in >> place on all other systems. >> >> While contrary to convention, it's possible to have a menu bar on >> Windows which is separate from the stack. In fact, Rev does this, >> and >> one of the products we develop here does also (though we're in the >> process of redesigning it to adhere to convention in the next >> version). >> >> To have a separate menu bar on Windows just build the menu group in a >> separate stack and open it as palette so that it doesn't get >> covered by >> the other windows in your application. >> >> If your other windows are resizable you can also adjust the >> windowBoundingRect property to account for your menubar stack, so >> zooming won't submarine the top of the document below the menu stack. >> >> -- >> Richard Gaskin >> Managing Editor, revJournal Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From andres at bakno.com Tue Dec 11 11:49:11 2007 From: andres at bakno.com (Andres Martinez) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:49:11 -0500 Subject: Menu option on Mac Message-ID: Hello The simple applications that we develop do not use Menubars. However, the default Menubar created by Revolution on the stand alone for Mac includes the "About..." option as the first one, and I would like to do something when the user select that option. I have seen some Revolution applications doing this. How can I do it? Regards, Andres Martinez www.baKno.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Tue Dec 11 11:56:20 2007 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:56:20 -0600 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <4192AB2D-A778-45A1-94D4-CD8858219012@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: <20071211105620518274.d5332e75@sonsothunder.com> > Your AppleScript should look something like this: > --3 lines, watch line wraps > > tell application "Finder" > open folder "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" > end tell > > Your Rev script should look like this: > --a do statement is single line so you'll need to unwrap this > --the tricky bit is quotes and spaces in the right place > > do "tell application " & quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & "open folder " & > quote & "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" & quote & cr & "end > tell" as applescript Just FYI, there's a couple of other approaches (some are "best practices") when executing AppleScript from Rev... 1) Put the script into a custom property or field and execute it (although I wouldn't recommend fields for a variety of reasons): do (the openFolderScript of this stack) as AppleScript 2) If you need to do it inline, use the \ line continuation feature to help make your code more readable: put "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" into tFolder put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & \ "open folder" && quote & tFolder & quote & cr & \ "end tell" into tScript do tScript as AppleScript 3) Use backquotes (`) for quotation marks while building your script, then replace them with double quotes before you execute your script (a variation of #2 above is shown below): put "tell application`Finder` & cr & \ "open folder `Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder`" & cr & \ "end tell" into tScript replace "`" with quote in tScript do tScript as AppleScript 4) Use the format() function to put in quotes (\") and returns (\n) on the fly (be careful though as you can't use continuation chars with format IIRC): put format("tell application \"Finder\"\n") & \ format("open folder \"Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder\"\n") & \ "end tell" into tScript do tScript as AppleScript Personally, I usually use #3 unless it's a one-liner, in which case I use #4 (if it's not too complex), but to each their own. :-) Also with the upcoming Rev 2.9 having the ability to do "do ... as ... " supporting VBScript and JavaScript (on Windows), having a good way to handle other scripting languages is important, IMHO. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From kray at sonsothunder.com Tue Dec 11 12:11:33 2007 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 11:11:33 -0600 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <995D3501-BE24-4F60-9E57-EAE592F613E1@looktowindward.com> References: <995D3501-BE24-4F60-9E57-EAE592F613E1@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: <20071211111133966899.3a5bd24c@sonsothunder.com> On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:17:27 +0000, Dave wrote: > This is what I don't understand. How to I set the "menu group" on > Windows? I can (and have set it and it works ok on Mac). I have a > Menubar group in a stack called "MenuBar" how can I use this menubar > group as the menu bar for the current stack under Windows? Richard provided one way to make this happen (the floating palette that's only a menu while all your other stack windows don't have a menu bar at all). But as he pointed out, this is non-standard. So to make the same set of menus appear in all of your open stack windows, you will need to copy the group that contains the buttons that act as the menus (the "menu group") to each stack - there isn't a way of setting a "defaultMenuBar" as there is in OS X. And since they will need to be copied, it is strongly recommended to *NOT* put the code that deals with the menu items inside the buttons that make up the menubar itself, as if you need to make a change to the code, you'd have to copy and paste it between all the same buttons in each of the open stacks... I tend to use (as do many others here on the list) a convention where the buttons in the menu group have no script at all, and the menu group has a single "menupick" handler that strips away the crud from the menu item name, collapses it into a single word and calls a centralized set of menu handlers (either in the main stack script or in a library or backscript). Something like this: on menuPick pMenuItemName put the short name of the target into tMenuName put " ,...,!c,!n,!r,!u" into tSpecialChars repeat for each item tItem in tSpecialChars replace tItem with "" in pMenuItemName end repeat do (tMenuName & "_" & pMenuItemName) end menuPick So if you selected "Page Setup..." from the "File" menu, the menuPick handler above would "do" the command "File_PageSetup", which you could trap in the mainstack script/library/backscript: on File_PageSetup -- your code here end File_PageSetup Other people I know do something similar but like one large "DoMenu" handler, so they'll change the last line of the 'menuPick' handler code above to: do ("DoMenu" && tMenuName & "," & pMenuItemName) and have a DoMenu handler like this: on DoMenu pMenu,pItem switch pMenu case "File" switch pItem case "New" -- code here break case "PageSetup" -- code here break -- etc. for all File menu items end switch break case "Edit" -- same switch structure here for Edit menu items break end switch end DoMenu Anyway, hope this helps get the mental juices flowing... ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Dec 11 12:40:52 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:40:52 -0800 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? Message-ID: <475ECBA4.9010403@fourthworld.com> xavier.bury wrote: > While the idea of a floating menubar is really nice (and so NeXT like!), > it does pose a few problems on windows: > > - win32 task bar object - rev here is a nightmare - click on one and the > menubar still stays behind/hidden for example... > - If you hide the application, dont forget to hide the menu - but maybe > that's not wanted but maybe yes other times > - submarining the menu as you mentioned - but sometimes it is the other > way around. And there's a bug in RR where the palettes are submarined by > the normal stacks (fixed in 2.9?) > - it's not standard and most windows users hate separate menus (as far as > i've heard and seen them moan) > - a separate menu steals more desktop real-estate than an included menu > > There's reasons why it could be cool but when you are used to menus being > always on top of the window, you dont have to look for them. > The same goes for a Mac user who sees their window while the menu of > another application (which is active with no [overlapping] windows) is > visible... > > just my two revcents... I'd say more like a dollar's worth. :) You raise some very valuable issues, perhaps most importantly the consistency of the user experience for the person running your app in Windows. Just as Mac users would find it disconcerting to have their menus at the top of the window rather than in the menu bar, Windows users are accustomed to having menus at the top of their window, and changing that long-established convention risks being accused of "a Mac port" (I've had that with the one app I still ship which has a detached menu bar). In that app, we went that route because we had a very Mac Classic design, with lots of separate windows providing different views into the data. Since then, software design on the Mac has evolved to favor multiple panes in a single window where we used to use multiple windows. For example, in the olden days video editing software commonly had at least three windows: preview, timeline, and clips. In iMovie and other modern apps these are now panes in a single window. This migration to single-window UIs extends to email, iPhoto, tabbed web browsers, and a great many others. With OS X this migration is esp. useful, since Apple has now joined the rest of the world with interleaved windows. In Classic, all windows of an app came forward when any of them were clicked, but in OS X (and Window, UNIX, Linux, etc.) windows are fully interleaved: bringing a window forward only brings that one window forward, and any other windows, even those of the same app, are left where they were in the stacking order. This interleaving creates a need for more window management than is needed with a single-window UI. In older-style apps, to see all of the data views in various windows one would need to manually bring them all forward, or select "Bring All To Front" from the Window menu. But if you migrate those views to multiple panes within a single window, just one click brings everything you need to the front. For us Rev developers, this trend makes it easier to deliver HIG-conformant apps for all platforms, since we can make one menu bar in our one window and it'll display appropriately on OS X in the menu bar and at the top of the window for all other OSes. But sometimes redesigning a multi-window app to a single-window one is challenging and will require some thought to how the panes are laid out. So while prepping for a future single-window version, there are a couple things that can be done to make a detached menu bar slightly less cumbersome on Windows: In addition to adjusting the windowBoundingRect noted in my last post, there's also the minimize behavior. For that we trap the iconify message in the mainStack, and when the window being iconified is the menu bar we iconify all stacks. Similarly, when any stack is uniconified we make sure the menu bar stack is uniconified as well. But tossing in my own $0.02, I would encourage those making apps with detached menu bars to consider migrating to a design which supports the Windows convention of having the menu bar at the top of the window. While a quickie Mac port can get away with a detached menu bar for a first version, to be successful on Windows you'll want to adopt standard Windows conventions. And in the long term, if your app uses multiple windows you may find you can simplify your menu work while you simplify the user experience by migrating to multiple panes in a single window instead. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From userev at canelasoftware.com Tue Dec 11 13:38:41 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:38:41 -0800 Subject: OT: VMware and Parallels Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I have run into an issue with 2.9 b2, OS 10.4.11, and Parallels 3 build 5580. I have found Revolution created applications to be very unstable when made to run via a shortcut in the startup folder under both XP and Vista under the virtualization. I spent way too much time before trying it on a true PC boxes. I found the software to be stable on the real PC boxes. I decided to give VMware a try as I really make strong use of the virtualization technology both of these products provide. My applications under VMware did not crash. Using VMwares new beta conversion tool (parallels to vmware converter), it was very simple to give this a try. If you have been having any problems with Parallels, I thought you might be interested and willing to try VMware. Side note: Rev 2.8.1 is very stable under Parallels. The combination of Rev 2.9 and Parallels 3 causes the instability. Since everything works correctly on a real pc and on vmware, I am inclined to believe the problem is with Parallels and not Rev. YMMV. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From randall at randallreetz.com Tue Dec 11 13:44:56 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:44:56 -0800 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <20071211184459.ZBHZ6099.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Thanks Ken, i was using a custom prop and ran it as applescript. Works fine. What i still dont understand is why everything went unresponsive (the finder) and why it now works... Maddening. What might happen tomorrow? -----Original Message----- From: "Ken Ray" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 12/11/2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: (no subject) > Your AppleScript should look something like this: > --3 lines, watch line wraps > > tell application "Finder" > open folder "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" > end tell > > Your Rev script should look like this: > --a do statement is single line so you'll need to unwrap this > --the tricky bit is quotes and spaces in the right place > > do "tell application " & quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & "open folder " & > quote & "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" & quote & cr & "end > tell" as applescript Just FYI, there's a couple of other approaches (some are "best practices") when executing AppleScript from Rev... 1) Put the script into a custom property or field and execute it (although I wouldn't recommend fields for a variety of reasons): do (the openFolderScript of this stack) as AppleScript 2) If you need to do it inline, use the \ line continuation feature to help make your code more readable: put "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" into tFolder put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & \ "open folder" && quote & tFolder & quote & cr & \ "end tell" into tScript do tScript as AppleScript 3) Use backquotes (`) for quotation marks while building your script, then replace them with double quotes before you execute your script (a variation of #2 above is shown below): put "tell application`Finder` & cr & \ "open folder `Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder`" & cr & \ "end tell" into tScript replace "`" with quote in tScript do tScript as AppleScript 4) Use the format() function to put in quotes (\") and returns (\n) on the fly (be careful though as you can't use continuation chars with format IIRC): put format("tell application \"Finder\"\n") & \ format("open folder \"Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder\"\n") & \ "end tell" into tScript do tScript as AppleScript Personally, I usually use #3 unless it's a one-liner, in which case I use #4 (if it's not too complex), but to each their own. :-) Also with the upcoming Rev 2.9 having the ability to do "do ... as ... " supporting VBScript and JavaScript (on Windows), having a good way to handle other scripting languages is important, IMHO. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lists at mangomultimedia.com Tue Dec 11 13:45:00 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:45:00 -0500 Subject: OT: VMware and Parallels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 11, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: > I have run into an issue with 2.9 b2, OS 10.4.11, and Parallels 3 > build 5580. Hey Mark, Just a quick note that 5582 just came out for Parallels and it is the official release (not beta) for Leopard. Maybe that would help as well. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From kray at sonsothunder.com Tue Dec 11 13:54:32 2007 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:54:32 -0600 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071211125432606766.8cbd3a06@sonsothunder.com> On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:31:17 +0000, Mark Smith wrote: > This is great! I couldn't find this anywhere. So here's a function > that uses it - maybe someone has better code for converting the path > to applescript. Well you can have AppleScript do it for you using "as POSIX file": function thePackages pFolder put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & \ "packages of folder (" && quote & pFolder & quote & \ "as POSIX file)" & cr & "end tell" into tScr do tScr as applescript put the result into tList replace comma with cr in tList repeat for each line L in tList get wordoffset("file", L) put word it + 1 of L & cr after tPackages end repeat replace quote with empty in tPackages return char 1 to -2 of tPackages end thePackages Either way works... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From pepetoo at cox.net Tue Dec 11 13:57:55 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 10:57:55 -0800 Subject: OT: VMware and Parallels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03046F5E-0873-4918-A54D-54DC082E9924@cox.net> Hi Mark, The problems I reported a couple of days ago with "not appearing" text for a program running WindowsXP was under VMWare's Fusion as I mentioned. Perhaps the problems will disappear if/when I'm able to test the program on a real PC Box. This program was compiled using Rev 2.8.1. Have you been noting similar text problems with your experiments? Otherwise, my program ran just fine. Joe Wilkins On Dec 11, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: > Hello Everyone, > > I have run into an issue with 2.9 b2, OS 10.4.11, and Parallels 3 > build 5580. I have found Revolution created applications to be > very unstable when made to run via a shortcut in the startup folder > under both XP and Vista under the virtualization. > > I spent way too much time before trying it on a true PC boxes. I > found the software to be stable on the real PC boxes. I decided to > give VMware a try as I really make strong use of the virtualization > technology both of these products provide. My applications under > VMware did not crash. Using VMwares new beta conversion tool > (parallels to vmware converter), it was very simple to give this a > try. > > If you have been having any problems with Parallels, I thought you > might be interested and willing to try VMware. > > Side note: Rev 2.8.1 is very stable under Parallels. The > combination of Rev 2.9 and Parallels 3 causes the instability. > Since everything works correctly on a real pc and on vmware, I am > inclined to believe the problem is with Parallels and not Rev. YMMV. > > > Mark Talluto > -- > CANELA Software > http://www.canelasoftware.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mark at maseurope.net Tue Dec 11 14:11:52 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:11:52 +0000 Subject: Packages In-Reply-To: <20071211125432606766.8cbd3a06@sonsothunder.com> References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> <20071211125432606766.8cbd3a06@sonsothunder.com> Message-ID: <26D034B7-CC42-477C-8714-F3E203D5C841@maseurope.net> Thanks, Ken! I had tried , but it didn't work, of course. Can you recommend a good Applescript book? Not an intro to scripting, but something fairly in-depth? If not, could you write one? :) Best, Mark On 11 Dec 2007, at 18:54, Ken Ray wrote: > On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 11:31:17 +0000, Mark Smith wrote: > >> This is great! I couldn't find this anywhere. So here's a function >> that uses it - maybe someone has better code for converting the path >> to applescript. > > Well you can have AppleScript do it for you using "as POSIX file": > > function thePackages pFolder > put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & \ > "packages of folder (" && quote & pFolder & quote & \ > "as POSIX file)" & cr & "end tell" into tScr > > do tScr as applescript > put the result into tList > replace comma with cr in tList > > repeat for each line L in tList > get wordoffset("file", L) > put word it + 1 of L & cr after tPackages > end repeat > replace quote with empty in tPackages > return char 1 to -2 of tPackages > end thePackages > > Either way works... > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From kray at sonsothunder.com Tue Dec 11 14:43:58 2007 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:43:58 -0600 Subject: OT: AppleScript Book Recommendations (Was Re: Packages) In-Reply-To: <26D034B7-CC42-477C-8714-F3E203D5C841@maseurope.net> References: <475B1228.5060403@fourthworld.com> <7aa52a210712081950u68b77824y4595b542adc48d49@mail.gmail.com> <475B7BD2.7090007@hyperactivesw.com> <475B7FAC.8010202@hyperactivesw.com> <7aa52a210712090559u1323f8a5ybe2cdb5f85040568@mail.gmail.com> <20071211125432606766.8cbd3a06@sonsothunder.com> <26D034B7-CC42-477C-8714-F3E203D5C841@maseurope.net> Message-ID: <20071211134358255710.833f8c0d@sonsothunder.com> On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:11:52 +0000, Mark Smith wrote: > Thanks, Ken! I had tried , but it didn't > work, of course. Can you recommend a good Applescript book? Not an > intro to scripting, but something fairly in-depth? If not, could you > write one? :) :-) Actually, I have/use: AppleScript, The Missing Manual (Pogue Press/O'Reilly) (c) 2005 by Adam Goldstein (Has sections organized by function, like "backing up file", "commanding other applications", "saving files", etc.) AppleScript in a Nutshell (O'Reilly) (c) 2001 by Bruce W. Perry (More technical, "dictionary"-type format) And the venerable... Danny Goodman's AppleScript Handbook, 2nd Ed (Random House) (c) 1994 by Danny Goodman (More basic, beginner-level stuff with sections of controlling other apps) Of the three, "The Missing Manual" is one I use the most when I'm looking to write a specific function, and "Nutshell" when I'm looking for a specific token to do a specific thing. Both I'd recommend... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From rgould8 at aol.com Tue Dec 11 14:59:40 2007 From: rgould8 at aol.com (rgould8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:59:40 -0500 Subject: Trouble figuring out printpapersize and small fonts Message-ID: <8CA0A477FCC5310-5EC-2074@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com> I am trying to print from Revolution onto a 2 inch wide X .75 inch tall barcode label. I'm having a very hard time, however, because: 1)? I don't know the secret formula for creating the printpapersize dimensions. According to the docs, 8.5 x 11" equates to a printpapersize of 595, 842.? So, if I'm doing my math right, a label that's 2 x .75 inches would have a papersize of 153, 57?? I'm telling the printer to print landscape, which also complicates things.? I don't know which end is up when defining papersize dimensions. (e.g.? 11 is to 842 as 2 is to 153) 2)? I'm having a hard time getting any fonts to print less than 8 point.? (I'm on a Mac).? When I go to see all the sizes that I can use to set a font like "Courier", it looks like I can go down to 6, but when I print, it comes out huge.? Anyone know of any fonts that will print at size 6? ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From rgould8 at aol.com Tue Dec 11 15:03:00 2007 From: rgould8 at aol.com (rgould8 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:03:00 -0500 Subject: Trouble figuring out printpapersize and small fonts In-Reply-To: <8CA0A477FCC5310-5EC-2074@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA0A477FCC5310-5EC-2074@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CA0A47F75490D2-5EC-20AF@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com> Oh, I forgot to mention, I'm printing using a Dymo Labelwriter 400 printer hook up to my Mac -----Original Message----- From: rgould8 at aol.com To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Sent: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 2:59 pm Subject: Trouble figuring out printpapersize and small fonts I am trying to print from Revolution onto a 2 inch wide X .75 inch tall barcode label. I'm having a very hard time, however, because: 1)? I don't know the secret formula for creating the printpapersize dimensions. According to the docs, 8.5 x 11" equates to a printpapersize of 595, 842.? So, if I'm doing my math right, a label that's 2 x .75 inches would have a papersize of 153, 57?? I'm telling the printer to print landscape, which also complicates things.? I don't know which end is up when defining papersize dimensions. (e.g.? 11 is to 842 as 2 is to 153) 2)? I'm having a hard time getting any fonts to print less than 8 point.? (I'm on a Mac).? When I go to see all the sizes that I can use to set a font like "Courier", it looks like I can go down to 6, but when I print, it comes out huge.? Anyone know of any fonts that will print at size 6? ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. 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Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Dec 11 15:22:24 2007 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:22:24 -0700 Subject: Menu option on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Andres Martinez wrote: > Hello > > The simple applications that we develop do not use Menubars. > However, the default Menubar created by Revolution on the stand > alone for Mac includes the "About..." option as the first one, and > I would like to do something when the user select that option. > > I have seen some Revolution applications doing this. How can I do it? Andres, In order to make the About... option in the default standalone menu work on a Mac, you'll have to create at least a minimal menu. The easiest way to do this is to open Tools > Menu Builder. Create a new menu and give it a name, say "myMenu". Then delete the File and Edit menus. In the remaining "Help" menu, delete the first item, "Help", leaving only a "-" and the "About" item on the next line. Then close the Menu Builder. Hide the new group. In the group script create a menuPick handler like this: on menuPick what switch what case "About" -- display the about box here break end switch end menuPick In an openStack or preOpenStack handler make this group the menubar group: on openstack set the menubar of this stack to "myMenu" end openstack Now when you create a standalone from the stack the about menu will function. You don't have to worry about the Quit option because the OS handles that. Others may have different ideas about how to do this, but this will work. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net Tue Dec 11 15:23:51 2007 From: jhurley0305 at sbcglobal.net (James Hurley) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:23:51 -0800 Subject: Getting vScroll movement of a field scrollbar In-Reply-To: <20071211163810.51670489F1A@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071211163810.51670489F1A@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <7094AAF4-1EB8-42F4-B289-F277931943BB@sbcglobal.net> My thanks to all who replied. Eric's protocol works wonderfully well--see his description below. (When he says that "this makes the button disappear appropriately" I think he means that the button will disappear as it passes off the top of the field.) Very slick. Jim > Message: 20 > Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:02:08 +0100 > From: Eric Chatonet > Subject: Re: Getting vScroll movement of a field scrollbar > To: How to use Revolution > Message-ID: <7A404ABC-7D1F-466A-AA38-2C30726A921C at sosmartsoftware.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hi Jim, > > May be I don't understand the problem ;-) > But: > > I created a scrolling field, added a button overlaying the field and > grouped both with group margins = zero. > Then I locked the group: this makes the button disappear > appropriately. > > In the script of the field: > > on scrollbardrag pPos > set the top of btn "Test" to - pPos > end scrollbardrag > > is the top of the button when field's vScroll = zero. > > In the script of the card: > > on preOpenCard > send "scrollbardrag" && the vScroll of fld "ScrollingField" to fld > "ScrollingField" > end preOpenCard > > Actually this works for me in any case and I don't mind any initial > position :-) > What did I miss? From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Tue Dec 11 15:38:13 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:38:13 +0100 Subject: Getting vScroll movement of a field scrollbar In-Reply-To: <7094AAF4-1EB8-42F4-B289-F277931943BB@sbcglobal.net> References: <20071211163810.51670489F1A@mail.runrev.com> <7094AAF4-1EB8-42F4-B289-F277931943BB@sbcglobal.net> Message-ID: <4FFD3275-07A4-4974-8867-7C6CB54141D9@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Jim, Le 11 d?c. 07 ? 21:23, James Hurley a ?crit : > My thanks to all who replied. > > Eric's protocol works wonderfully well--see his description below. > > (When he says that "this makes the button disappear appropriately" > I think he means that the button will disappear as it passes off > the top of the field.) You are completely right: your English is better than mine ;-) Grouping and locking the group with 'no' margins, as you understood it :-), makes the button(s) as they were really incorporated in the field. Glad to help you who helped me with Bezier curves some time ago: in this field you are a master :-) > Very slick. > > Jim > > >> Message: 20 >> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:02:08 +0100 >> From: Eric Chatonet >> Subject: Re: Getting vScroll movement of a field scrollbar >> To: How to use Revolution >> Message-ID: <7A404ABC-7D1F-466A- >> AA38-2C30726A921C at sosmartsoftware.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; >> format=flowed >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> May be I don't understand the problem ;-) >> But: >> >> I created a scrolling field, added a button overlaying the field and >> grouped both with group margins = zero. >> Then I locked the group: this makes the button disappear >> appropriately. >> >> In the script of the field: >> >> on scrollbardrag pPos >> set the top of btn "Test" to - pPos >> end scrollbardrag >> >> is the top of the button when field's vScroll = zero. >> >> In the script of the card: >> >> on preOpenCard >> send "scrollbardrag" && the vScroll of fld "ScrollingField" to fld >> "ScrollingField" >> end preOpenCard >> >> Actually this works for me in any case and I don't mind any initial >> position :-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Tue Dec 11 15:47:35 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:47:35 +0100 Subject: Getting vScroll movement of a field scrollbar In-Reply-To: <4FFD3275-07A4-4974-8867-7C6CB54141D9@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <20071211163810.51670489F1A@mail.runrev.com> <7094AAF4-1EB8-42F4-B289-F277931943BB@sbcglobal.net> <4FFD3275-07A4-4974-8867-7C6CB54141D9@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <376E9659-F011-42EC-8642-D5D9F477A32E@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi James, Probably, I confused between Jim and James Hurley: Not a problem: glad to help :-) Le 11 d?c. 07 ? 21:38, Eric Chatonet a ?crit : > You are completely right: your English is better than mine ;-) > Grouping and locking the group with 'no' margins, as you understood > it :-), makes the button(s) as they were really incorporated in the > field. > Glad to help you who helped me with Bezier curves some time ago: in > this field you are a master :-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From andres at bakno.com Tue Dec 11 15:48:26 2007 From: andres at bakno.com (Andres Martinez) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:48:26 -0500 Subject: Menu option on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2421CCCC-A89A-48C8-923B-ACF434B1F4C9@bakno.com> Thanks Devin It worked perfectly!!! : ) Regards, Andres Martinez www.baKno.com On Dec 11, 2007, at 3:22 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > > On Dec 11, 2007, at 9:49 AM, Andres Martinez wrote: > >> Hello >> >> The simple applications that we develop do not use Menubars. >> However, the default Menubar created by Revolution on the stand >> alone for Mac includes the "About..." option as the first one, and >> I would like to do something when the user select that option. >> >> I have seen some Revolution applications doing this. How can I do it? > > Andres, > > In order to make the About... option in the default standalone menu > work on a Mac, you'll have to create at least a minimal menu. The > easiest way to do this is to open Tools > Menu Builder. Create a new > menu and give it a name, say "myMenu". Then delete the File and Edit > menus. In the remaining "Help" menu, delete the first item, "Help", > leaving only a "-" and the "About" item on the next line. Then close > the Menu Builder. Hide the new group. In the group script create a > menuPick handler like this: > > on menuPick what > switch what > case "About" > -- display the about box here > break > end switch > end menuPick > > In an openStack or preOpenStack handler make this group the menubar > group: > > on openstack > set the menubar of this stack to "myMenu" > end openstack > > Now when you create a standalone from the stack the about menu will > function. You don't have to worry about the Quit option because the > OS handles that. > > Others may have different ideas about how to do this, but this will > work. > > Devin > > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From paulgabel at comcast.net Tue Dec 11 19:29:11 2007 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 16:29:11 -0800 Subject: Rev 2.9 beta buttons won't move (trying again) Message-ID: <36065F0D-2339-414A-B404-7ABCBC8B6EBC@comcast.net> Hello everyone: When I build a standalone using Rev 2.9 beta 9, my rectangle buttons will neither play a sound nor move according to the scripts below, even though they work perfectly in the IDE. on mouseDown -- in the button script moveButtons end mouseDown ------------- on moveButtons -- in the main stack script set the playloudness of audioClip "Click 3.aif" to 50 play audioClip "Click 3.aif" move the target relative 2,2 in 4 ticks move the target relative -2,-2 in 4 ticks end moveButtons Usually the button script (other included commands) will function, but sometimes not. I filed a bug report about this with quality control, but now I'm wondering if anyone else has observed this problem, or could try to duplicate it in the 2.9 beta. Thank you. Paul Gabel iMac Intel Leopard From josh at dvcreators.net Tue Dec 11 21:14:14 2007 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:14:14 -0800 Subject: Also OT: Ron Paul In-Reply-To: <475E0C45.4090106@hindu.org> References: <475E0C45.4090106@hindu.org> Message-ID: <93E8EA0C-9C3F-4699-B014-78EE6DE373CC@dvcreators.net> Has anyone on this list heard of Ron Paul? If so, just curious what the people whose brains have been trained to think logically through a life of programming code think. From gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com Tue Dec 11 22:14:06 2007 From: gandalf at doctorTimothyMiller.com (Timothy Miller) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:14:06 -0800 Subject: Also OT: Ron Paul In-Reply-To: <93E8EA0C-9C3F-4699-B014-78EE6DE373CC@dvcreators.net> References: <475E0C45.4090106@hindu.org> <93E8EA0C-9C3F-4699-B014-78EE6DE373CC@dvcreators.net> Message-ID: <3B0BC838-77C1-4F1C-A3A4-5FBC64078CD7@doctorTimothyMiller.com> On Dec 11, 2007, at 6:14 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > Has anyone on this list heard of Ron Paul? Yes. > If so, just curious what the people whose brains have been trained > to think logically through a life of programming code think. You'll find about the same range of political opinions you would find among illogical brains. I get the implication that "logical brains" prefer Ron Paul. I'll give that the consideration it deserves. Tim From randall at randallreetz.com Tue Dec 11 22:15:36 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:15:36 -0800 Subject: Also OT: Ron Paul Message-ID: <20071212031538.MCFP25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Tax hack dressed up like a candidate. Think scientology as politics. -----Original Message----- From: "Josh Mellicker" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 12/11/2007 6:14 PM Subject: Also OT: Ron Paul Has anyone on this list heard of Ron Paul? If so, just curious what the people whose brains have been trained to think logically through a life of programming code think. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Tue Dec 11 22:38:29 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 19:38:29 -0800 Subject: Also OT: Ron Paul Message-ID: <20071212033831.SSYB6099.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> This is seriously off topic bad form... Sorry i lost track of place and purpous... I have read that programmers as a group tend towards libratarianism (more proof i am not a real programmer). -----Original Message----- From: "Josh Mellicker" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 12/11/2007 6:14 PM Subject: Also OT: Ron Paul Has anyone on this list heard of Ron Paul? If so, just curious what the people whose brains have been trained to think logically through a life of programming code think. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Tue Dec 11 23:42:46 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:42:46 +0800 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20071211105620518274.d5332e75@sonsothunder.com> References: <4192AB2D-A778-45A1-94D4-CD8858219012@randallreetz.com> <20071211105620518274.d5332e75@sonsothunder.com> Message-ID: On Dec 12, 2007 12:56 AM, Ken Ray wrote: > Just FYI, there's a couple of other approaches (some are "best > practices") when executing AppleScript from Rev... > As usual, some excellent advice from the experts. Thanks for sharing. From chipp at chipp.com Wed Dec 12 03:08:23 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 02:08:23 -0600 Subject: Also OT: Ron Paul In-Reply-To: <20071212033831.SSYB6099.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20071212033831.SSYB6099.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712120008w292bf4c9k63168aeaf57b9169@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 11, 2007 8:14 PM, Josh Mellicker wrote: > Has anyone on this list heard of Ron Paul? On Dec 11, 2007 9:38 PM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > This is seriously off topic bad form... Yup. From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Wed Dec 12 03:08:30 2007 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 09:08:30 +0100 Subject: OT: VMware and Parallels In-Reply-To: <03046F5E-0873-4918-A54D-54DC082E9924@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi I think your text missing issue is due to the RDP screen redraw bug that affects me since wooooo http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=1076 Test it with 2.9 which has the fix to verify if that is not it first... Regards, ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 11/12/2007 19:57:55: > Hi Mark, > > The problems I reported a couple of days ago with "not appearing" > text for a program running WindowsXP was under VMWare's Fusion as I > mentioned. Perhaps the problems will disappear if/when I'm able to > test the program on a real PC Box. This program was compiled using > Rev 2.8.1. Have you been noting similar text problems with your > experiments? Otherwise, my program ran just fine. > > Joe Wilkins > > On Dec 11, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I have run into an issue with 2.9 b2, OS 10.4.11, and Parallels 3 > > build 5580. I have found Revolution created applications to be > > very unstable when made to run via a shortcut in the startup folder > > under both XP and Vista under the virtualization. > > > > I spent way too much time before trying it on a true PC boxes. I > > found the software to be stable on the real PC boxes. I decided to > > give VMware a try as I really make strong use of the virtualization > > technology both of these products provide. My applications under > > VMware did not crash. Using VMwares new beta conversion tool > > (parallels to vmware converter), it was very simple to give this a > > try. > > > > If you have been having any problems with Parallels, I thought you > > might be interested and willing to try VMware. > > > > Side note: Rev 2.8.1 is very stable under Parallels. The > > combination of Rev 2.9 and Parallels 3 causes the instability. > > Since everything works correctly on a real pc and on vmware, I am > > inclined to believe the problem is with Parallels and not Rev. 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Legally required information for business correspondence/ Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead END OF DISCLAIMER From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Dec 12 04:33:25 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:33:25 +0100 Subject: Trouble figuring out printpapersize and small fonts In-Reply-To: <8CA0A477FCC5310-5EC-2074@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CA0A477FCC5310-5EC-2074@WEBMAIL-MB11.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <3307DE5F-5059-4F99-A8EB-A57422D10068@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Rgould, 1 inch is 72 px. It should be easy to make calculate printing dimensions once you know this. I've never had any problems printing small fonts on the Mac. Could it be a problem with your label writer? What if you use AppleWorks/iWork or perhaps a programme like Filemaker to print from? Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 11-dec-2007, om 20:59 heeft rgould8 at aol.com het volgende geschreven: > I am trying to print from Revolution onto a 2 inch wide X .75 inch > tall barcode label. > > I'm having a very hard time, however, because: > > 1)? I don't know the secret formula for creating the printpapersize > dimensions. > According to the docs, 8.5 x 11" equates to a printpapersize of > 595, 842.? So, if I'm doing my math right, a label that's 2 x .75 > inches would have a papersize of 153, 57?? I'm telling the printer > to print landscape, which also complicates things.? I don't know > which end is up when defining papersize dimensions. > > (e.g.? 11 is to 842 as 2 is to 153) > > > 2)? I'm having a hard time getting any fonts to print less than 8 > point.? (I'm on a Mac).? When I go to see all the sizes that I can > use to set a font like "Courier", it looks like I can go down to 6, > but when I print, it comes out huge.? Anyone know of any fonts that > will print at size 6? > From pmbrig at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 07:53:36 2007 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 07:53:36 -0500 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? Message-ID: <44CBC9B7-F961-440A-9435-AC1FE0132CDC@gmail.com> So leaving aside all complexities like multiple windows, floating menu palettes, etc, if I want to port a simple stack as a self- contained app to both mac and windows with a fairly basic menubar, how do I do it? On the mac, I set the menubar of the stack to my button group. This is apparently not necessary on Windows, so how does Windows know which group to use for the menus in the stack window? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ -- 'Mr. Churchill, if you were my husband, I would put arsenic in your tea!' -- 'Lady Astor, if you were my wife, I would drink it.' From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Wed Dec 12 08:20:49 2007 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:20:49 +0100 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <44CBC9B7-F961-440A-9435-AC1FE0132CDC@gmail.com> Message-ID: If your menubar is positioned on top left of the window, and is designated the "menubar" of the stack, that's all you need. ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 12/12/2007 13:53:36: > So leaving aside all complexities like multiple windows, floating > menu palettes, etc, if I want to port a simple stack as a self- > contained app to both mac and windows with a fairly basic menubar, > how do I do it? On the mac, I set the menubar of the stack to my > button group. This is apparently not necessary on Windows, so how > does Windows know which group to use for the menus in the stack window? > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ > > -- 'Mr. Churchill, if you were my husband, I would put arsenic in > your tea!' > -- 'Lady Astor, if you were my wife, I would drink it.' > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clearstream Services S.A. 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. 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Legally required information for business correspondence/ Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead END OF DISCLAIMER From dave at looktowindward.com Wed Dec 12 08:24:47 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:24:47 +0000 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <44CBC9B7-F961-440A-9435-AC1FE0132CDC@gmail.com> References: <44CBC9B7-F961-440A-9435-AC1FE0132CDC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <745777EA-123A-4AC2-A72F-7892BCFD7183@looktowindward.com> Hi, Thanks Peter, I thought it was just me, but I can't figure it out either. I think what they are saying is that under windows you can't have the menubar in a separate stack - could someone confirm or deny this? If this is true, can I copy the Menubar object from the Menubar Stack into the current stack and then adjust the window size and the position of the objects in the stack? (I'd obviously have to delete it on startup each time). All the Best Dave On 12 Dec 2007, at 12:53, Peter Brigham wrote: > So leaving aside all complexities like multiple windows, floating > menu palettes, etc, if I want to port a simple stack as a self- > contained app to both mac and windows with a fairly basic menubar, > how do I do it? On the mac, I set the menubar of the stack to my > button group. This is apparently not necessary on Windows, so how > does Windows know which group to use for the menus in the stack > window? > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ > > -- 'Mr. Churchill, if you were my husband, I would put arsenic in > your tea!' > -- 'Lady Astor, if you were my wife, I would drink it.' > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From dave at looktowindward.com Wed Dec 12 08:29:55 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:29:55 +0000 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com> Hi, Yes, but HOW do you designate the "menubar"????? According to the Docs, the "menubar" property is only used on the Mac. What if I have more than one menubar that I want to switch depending on context, how do I remove one and add the other as the Menubar to use??? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave On 12 Dec 2007, at 13:20, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: > If your menubar is positioned on top left of the window, and is > designated > the "menubar" of the stack, that's all you need. > ---------------------=--------------------- > Xavier Bury > > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 12/12/2007 13:53:36: > >> So leaving aside all complexities like multiple windows, floating >> menu palettes, etc, if I want to port a simple stack as a self- >> contained app to both mac and windows with a fairly basic menubar, >> how do I do it? On the mac, I set the menubar of the stack to my >> button group. This is apparently not necessary on Windows, so how >> does Windows know which group to use for the menus in the stack >> window? >> >> -- Peter >> >> Peter M. Brigham >> pmbrig at gmail.com >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ >> >> -- 'Mr. Churchill, if you were my husband, I would put arsenic in >> your tea!' >> -- 'Lady Astor, if you were my wife, I would drink it.' >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Clearstream Services S.A. > 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg > Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability > in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. 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In-Reply-To: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: Hi Dave, As i mentioned in a previous reply check out the command "Set the menubar to ..." Cheers Xavier use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 12/12/2007 14:29:55: > Hi, > > Yes, but HOW do you designate the "menubar"????? According to the > Docs, the "menubar" property is only used on the Mac. > > What if I have more than one menubar that I want to switch depending > on context, how do I remove one and add the other as the Menubar to > use??? > > Thanks a lot > All the Best > Dave > > > On 12 Dec 2007, at 13:20, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: > > > If your menubar is positioned on top left of the window, and is > > designated > > the "menubar" of the stack, that's all you need. > > ---------------------=--------------------- > > Xavier Bury > > > > > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 12/12/2007 13:53:36: > > > >> So leaving aside all complexities like multiple windows, floating > >> menu palettes, etc, if I want to port a simple stack as a self- > >> contained app to both mac and windows with a fairly basic menubar, > >> how do I do it? On the mac, I set the menubar of the stack to my > >> button group. This is apparently not necessary on Windows, so how > >> does Windows know which group to use for the menus in the stack > >> window? > >> > >> -- Peter > >> > >> Peter M. Brigham > >> pmbrig at gmail.com > >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ > >> > >> -- 'Mr. Churchill, if you were my husband, I would put arsenic in > >> your tea!' > >> -- 'Lady Astor, if you were my wife, I would drink it.' > >> _______________________________________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clearstream Services S.A. 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. Luxembourg B 60911. ----------------------------------------- Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com IMPORTANT MESSAGE Internet communications are not secure and therefore Clearstream International does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. Legally required information for business correspondence/ Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead END OF DISCLAIMER From dave at looktowindward.com Wed Dec 12 08:36:44 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:36:44 +0000 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Xavier, But the "the menuBar" property is for MacOS only and I *do* set it on windows at the moment, but no Menu Appears although it works ok on Mac. All the Best Dave On 12 Dec 2007, at 13:32, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: > Hi Dave, > > As i mentioned in a previous reply > > check out the command "Set the menubar to ..." > > Cheers > > Xavier > > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 12/12/2007 14:29:55: > >> Hi, >> >> Yes, but HOW do you designate the "menubar"????? According to the >> Docs, the "menubar" property is only used on the Mac. >> >> What if I have more than one menubar that I want to switch depending >> on context, how do I remove one and add the other as the Menubar to >> use??? >> >> Thanks a lot >> All the Best >> Dave >> >> >> On 12 Dec 2007, at 13:20, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: >> >>> If your menubar is positioned on top left of the window, and is >>> designated >>> the "menubar" of the stack, that's all you need. >>> ---------------------=--------------------- >>> Xavier Bury >>> >>> >>> use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 12/12/2007 >>> 13:53:36: >>> >>>> So leaving aside all complexities like multiple windows, floating >>>> menu palettes, etc, if I want to port a simple stack as a self- >>>> contained app to both mac and windows with a fairly basic menubar, >>>> how do I do it? On the mac, I set the menubar of the stack to my >>>> button group. This is apparently not necessary on Windows, so how >>>> does Windows know which group to use for the menus in the stack >>>> window? >>>> >>>> -- Peter >>>> >>>> Peter M. Brigham >>>> pmbrig at gmail.com >>>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ >>>> >>>> -- 'Mr. Churchill, if you were my husband, I would put arsenic in >>>> your tea!' >>>> -- 'Lady Astor, if you were my wife, I would drink it.' >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Clearstream Services S.A. > 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg > Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability > in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Maybe it is for Mac only but then how does Rev know what command (or control) + Keys are the menu shortcuts? Maybe this is part of why the edit menus work so sporadically... If the menu doesn't appear, check out it's location and visibility... Regards, ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 12/12/2007 14:36:44: > Hi Xavier, > > But the "the menuBar" property is for MacOS only and I *do* set it on > windows at the moment, but no Menu Appears although it works ok on Mac. > > All the Best > Dave > > > On 12 Dec 2007, at 13:32, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: > > > Hi Dave, > > > > As i mentioned in a previous reply > > > > check out the command "Set the menubar to ..." > > > > Cheers > > > > Xavier > > > > > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 12/12/2007 14:29:55: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> Yes, but HOW do you designate the "menubar"????? According to the > >> Docs, the "menubar" property is only used on the Mac. > >> > >> What if I have more than one menubar that I want to switch depending > >> on context, how do I remove one and add the other as the Menubar to > >> use??? > >> > >> Thanks a lot > >> All the Best > >> Dave > >> > >> > >> On 12 Dec 2007, at 13:20, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: > >> > >>> If your menubar is positioned on top left of the window, and is > >>> designated > >>> the "menubar" of the stack, that's all you need. > >>> ---------------------=--------------------- > >>> Xavier Bury > >>> > >>> > >>> use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 12/12/2007 > >>> 13:53:36: > >>> > >>>> So leaving aside all complexities like multiple windows, floating > >>>> menu palettes, etc, if I want to port a simple stack as a self- > >>>> contained app to both mac and windows with a fairly basic menubar, > >>>> how do I do it? On the mac, I set the menubar of the stack to my > >>>> button group. This is apparently not necessary on Windows, so how > >>>> does Windows know which group to use for the menus in the stack > >>>> window? > >>>> > >>>> -- Peter > >>>> > >>>> Peter M. Brigham > >>>> pmbrig at gmail.com > >>>> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ > >>>> > >>>> -- 'Mr. Churchill, if you were my husband, I would put arsenic in > >>>> your tea!' > >>>> -- 'Lady Astor, if you were my wife, I would drink it.' > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > Clearstream Services S.A. > > 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg > > Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability > > in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. 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Legally required information for business correspondence/ Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead END OF DISCLAIMER From pepetoo at cox.net Wed Dec 12 09:14:37 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 06:14:37 -0800 Subject: OT: VMware and Parallels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <477C253E-9E39-4150-9827-1AF1A87940E7@cox.net> Thanks for the ray of hope, Xavier. I don't have the beta 2.9, but will try to get it and test your theory out; Particularly since nothing else has resolved this issue for me. Joe Wilkins On Dec 12, 2007, at 12:08 AM, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: > Hi > > I think your text missing issue is due to the RDP screen redraw bug > that > affects me since wooooo > > http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=1076 > > Test it with 2.9 which has the fix to verify if that is not it > first... > > Regards, > ---------------------=--------------------- > Xavier Bury > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 11/12/2007 19:57:55: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> The problems I reported a couple of days ago with "not appearing" >> text for a program running WindowsXP was under VMWare's Fusion as I >> mentioned. Perhaps the problems will disappear if/when I'm able to >> test the program on a real PC Box. This program was compiled using >> Rev 2.8.1. Have you been noting similar text problems with your >> experiments? Otherwise, my program ran just fine. >> >> Joe Wilkins >> >> On Dec 11, 2007, at 10:38 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: >> >>> Hello Everyone, >>> >>> I have run into an issue with 2.9 b2, OS 10.4.11, and Parallels 3 >>> build 5580. I have found Revolution created applications to be >>> very unstable when made to run via a shortcut in the startup folder >>> under both XP and Vista under the virtualization. >>> >>> I spent way too much time before trying it on a true PC boxes. I >>> found the software to be stable on the real PC boxes. I decided to >>> give VMware a try as I really make strong use of the virtualization >>> technology both of these products provide. My applications under >>> VMware did not crash. Using VMwares new beta conversion tool >>> (parallels to vmware converter), it was very simple to give this a >>> try. >>> >>> If you have been having any problems with Parallels, I thought you >>> might be interested and willing to try VMware. >>> >>> Side note: Rev 2.8.1 is very stable under Parallels. The >>> combination of Rev 2.9 and Parallels 3 causes the instability. >>> Since everything works correctly on a real pc and on vmware, I am >>> inclined to believe the problem is with Parallels and not Rev. >>> YMMV. >>> >>> >>> Mark Talluto >>> -- >>> CANELA Software >>> http://www.canelasoftware.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > Clearstream Services S.A. > 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg > Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability > in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. 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Any views expressed in > this e-mail are those of the individual sender, except where the > sender specifically states them to be the views of Clearstream > International or of any of its affiliates or subsidiaries. > > Legally required information for business correspondence/ > Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: > http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead > > END OF DISCLAIMER > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Dec 12 09:16:28 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:16:28 +0100 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com> References: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: <081EFB6F-48EF-4562-A602-0E4D9B80E9CE@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Dave, Le 12 d?c. 07 ? 14:29, Dave a ?crit : > Hi, > > Yes, but HOW do you designate the "menubar"????? According to the > Docs, the "menubar" property is only used on the Mac. > > What if I have more than one menubar that I want to switch > depending on context, how do I remove one and add the other as the > Menubar to use??? > > Thanks a lot > All the Best > Dave On Win, a menu bar is IN the window: as many menu bars as there are windows (same or not). On Mac there is a SINGLE menu bar at the top of the screen and, of course, it's useful to be able to associate it with the top window. As you have read it, it's the reason why menubar and defaultmenubar properties are Mac ONLY. According to the guide lines, menu names and contents should not change FOR the same window, on Win or Mac. On the other hand, you can enable/disable, check mark, etc. any item in a menu at mouseDown to take the current environment into account. That's what guide lines allow. But if you 'really' want to display different menu bars in the same window when running Windows, just create as many menu bars as needed and show/hide the right corresponding group according to your needs. But I repeat: this is not compliant with Win guide lines :-) And the user might be confused. Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Dec 12 09:26:34 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:26:34 +0000 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <081EFB6F-48EF-4562-A602-0E4D9B80E9CE@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com> <081EFB6F-48EF-4562-A602-0E4D9B80E9CE@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: On 12 Dec 2007, at 14:16, Eric Chatonet wrote: > But if you 'really' want to display different menu bars in the same > window when running Windows, just create as many menu bars as needed > and show/hide the right corresponding group according to your needs. > > But I repeat: this is not compliant with Win guide lines :-) I thought this was *roughly* what the new version Office does, depending on what kind of object you have selected? ;-) Ian From dave at looktowindward.com Wed Dec 12 09:32:08 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:32:08 +0000 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <081EFB6F-48EF-4562-A602-0E4D9B80E9CE@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com> <081EFB6F-48EF-4562-A602-0E4D9B80E9CE@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <792F9AE4-81CF-46FE-993F-BA7A57AF5133@looktowindward.com> Hi, Ok, I understand this a bit better now, but one thing still confuses me. How does it know that the Menubar group is a Menubar group and not some other group with button in it? I understand I can create as many Menubars as are needed and hide/ show them etc. But how does it know which one to use? What if there is more than one visible Menubar? Thanks a lot All the Best On 12 Dec 2007, at 14:16, Eric Chatonet wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Le 12 d?c. 07 ? 14:29, Dave a ?crit : > >> Hi, >> >> Yes, but HOW do you designate the "menubar"????? According to the >> Docs, the "menubar" property is only used on the Mac. >> >> What if I have more than one menubar that I want to switch >> depending on context, how do I remove one and add the other as the >> Menubar to use??? >> >> Thanks a lot >> All the Best >> Dave > > On Win, a menu bar is IN the window: as many menu bars as there are > windows (same or not). > On Mac there is a SINGLE menu bar at the top of the screen and, of > course, it's useful to be able to associate it with the top window. > As you have read it, it's the reason why menubar and defaultmenubar > properties are Mac ONLY. > > According to the guide lines, menu names and contents should not > change FOR the same window, on Win or Mac. > On the other hand, you can enable/disable, check mark, etc. any > item in a menu at mouseDown to take the current environment into > account. > That's what guide lines allow. > > But if you 'really' want to display different menu bars in the same > window when running Windows, just create as many menu bars as > needed and show/hide the right corresponding group according to > your needs. > > But I repeat: this is not compliant with Win guide lines :-) > And the user might be confused. > > Best regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ > Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Dec 12 09:33:30 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:33:30 +0100 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: References: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com> <081EFB6F-48EF-4562-A602-0E4D9B80E9CE@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <7DDE4DB6-1FF3-4FEC-9E66-3EF41A8DD339@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Ian, Le 12 d?c. 07 ? 15:26, Ian Wood a ?crit : > On 12 Dec 2007, at 14:16, Eric Chatonet wrote: > >> But if you 'really' want to display different menu bars in the >> same window when running Windows, just create as many menu bars as >> needed and show/hide the right corresponding group according to >> your needs. >> >> But I repeat: this is not compliant with Win guide lines :-) > > I thought this was *roughly* what the new version Office does, > depending on what kind of object you have selected? ;-) > > Ian You are right but I consider this as a special case when a selection can be made and stays until it is deselected and I did not want to make things more complicated. So let's say that, in most cases, guide lines don't allow to switch menu bars :-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From dave at looktowindward.com Wed Dec 12 09:40:27 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 14:40:27 +0000 Subject: Sending a Window to the Dock Message-ID: <834D072C-8E6C-4AF3-BCCE-2C08A1D151EE@looktowindward.com> Hi, Is there anyway I can send a Stack Window to the Dock programatically? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Dec 12 09:42:04 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:42:04 +0100 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <792F9AE4-81CF-46FE-993F-BA7A57AF5133@looktowindward.com> References: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com> <081EFB6F-48EF-4562-A602-0E4D9B80E9CE@sosmartsoftware.com> <792F9AE4-81CF-46FE-993F-BA7A57AF5133@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: <2567EFAA-A3C3-4A23-926C-2C665CDC2015@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Dave, Le 12 d?c. 07 ? 15:32, Dave a ?crit : > Hi, > > Ok, I understand this a bit better now, but one thing still > confuses me. How does it know that the Menubar group is a Menubar > group and not some other group with button in it? Any group that contains at least a button the style of which is "pulldown" is considered by Rev as a 'possible' menu bar. > I understand I can create as many Menubars as are needed and hide/ > show them etc. But how does it know which one to use? What if there > is more than one visible Menubar? Rev does not mind which menu bar to use on Windows: It's up to you to manage this and to show one menu bar only at a time :-) On Win, the menu bar is a group of Rev buttons and as any other control, you can show or hide it. As a menubar group is opaque, it depends also on the layering. Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Dec 12 09:43:06 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:43:06 +0100 Subject: Sending a Window to the Dock In-Reply-To: <834D072C-8E6C-4AF3-BCCE-2C08A1D151EE@looktowindward.com> References: <834D072C-8E6C-4AF3-BCCE-2C08A1D151EE@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: <3473DFC8-54C7-48C0-84EE-FC91A21706C6@sosmartsoftware.com> See iconic property. Le 12 d?c. 07 ? 15:40, Dave a ?crit : > Hi, > > Is there anyway I can send a Stack Window to the Dock programatically? > > Thanks a lot > All the Best > Dave Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Wed Dec 12 09:44:31 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:44:31 +0100 Subject: Sending a Window to the Dock In-Reply-To: <834D072C-8E6C-4AF3-BCCE-2C08A1D151EE@looktowindward.com> References: <834D072C-8E6C-4AF3-BCCE-2C08A1D151EE@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: <6FABD371-BD8B-407E-A0F0-FB9C244949BF@economy-x-talk.com> set the iconic of stack to {true | false} Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 12-dec-2007, om 15:40 heeft Dave het volgende geschreven: > Hi, > > Is there anyway I can send a Stack Window to the Dock programatically? > > Thanks a lot > All the Best > Dave From devin_asay at byu.edu Wed Dec 12 10:34:39 2007 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:34:39 -0700 Subject: Rev 2.9 beta buttons won't move (trying again) In-Reply-To: <36065F0D-2339-414A-B404-7ABCBC8B6EBC@comcast.net> References: <36065F0D-2339-414A-B404-7ABCBC8B6EBC@comcast.net> Message-ID: <071F2A47-70BD-445C-80F9-AC65A3CCCC30@byu.edu> On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Paul Gabel wrote: > Hello everyone: > > When I build a standalone using Rev 2.9 beta 9, my rectangle buttons > will neither play a sound nor move according to the scripts below, > even though they work perfectly in the IDE. > > on mouseDown -- in the button script > moveButtons > end mouseDown > > ------------- > > on moveButtons -- in the main stack script > set the playloudness of audioClip "Click 3.aif" to 50 > play audioClip "Click 3.aif" > move the target relative 2,2 in 4 ticks > move the target relative -2,-2 in 4 ticks > end moveButtons > > Usually the button script (other included commands) will function, but > sometimes not. I filed a bug report about this with quality control, > but now I'm wondering if anyone else has observed this problem, or > could try to duplicate it in the 2.9 beta. Thank you. I just did a test with 2.9-dp-2 on OS X 10.4.11 (intel mac). Worked perfectly here. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Wed Dec 12 10:38:30 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:38:30 +0100 Subject: Rev 2.9 beta buttons won't move (trying again) In-Reply-To: <071F2A47-70BD-445C-80F9-AC65A3CCCC30@byu.edu> References: <36065F0D-2339-414A-B404-7ABCBC8B6EBC@comcast.net> <071F2A47-70BD-445C-80F9-AC65A3CCCC30@byu.edu> Message-ID: <27BC5316-559C-45C0-974E-5FB7070B7250@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Paul, Just a thought: your audioclip is not included in the standalone then your moveButtons handler fails and nothing seems to happen. Le 12 d?c. 07 ? 16:34, Devin Asay a ?crit : > On Dec 11, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Paul Gabel wrote: > >> Hello everyone: >> >> When I build a standalone using Rev 2.9 beta 9, my rectangle buttons >> will neither play a sound nor move according to the scripts below, >> even though they work perfectly in the IDE. >> >> on mouseDown -- in the button script >> moveButtons >> end mouseDown >> >> ------------- >> >> on moveButtons -- in the main stack script >> set the playloudness of audioClip "Click 3.aif" to 50 >> play audioClip "Click 3.aif" >> move the target relative 2,2 in 4 ticks >> move the target relative -2,-2 in 4 ticks >> end moveButtons >> >> Usually the button script (other included commands) will function, >> but >> sometimes not. I filed a bug report about this with quality control, >> but now I'm wondering if anyone else has observed this problem, or >> could try to duplicate it in the 2.9 beta. Thank you. > > I just did a test with 2.9-dp-2 on OS X 10.4.11 (intel mac). Worked > perfectly here. > > Devin > > Devin Asay > Humanities Technology and Research Support Center > Brigham Young University From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Dec 12 11:04:56 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:04:56 -0800 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? Message-ID: <476006A8.6070702@fourthworld.com> Ian Wood wrote: > On 12 Dec 2007, at 14:16, Eric Chatonet wrote: >> But if you 'really' want to display different menu bars in the same >> window when running Windows, just create as many menu bars as needed >> and show/hide the right corresponding group according to your needs. >> >> But I repeat: this is not compliant with Win guide lines :-) > > I thought this was *roughly* what the new version Office does, > depending on what kind of object you have selected? ;-) On all systems except those from Apple, the menu bar is commonly attached to the top of each window, with each window's menu bar containing only those items relevant to that view. Individual menu items may be enabled or disabled depending on context, but it's very rare that the menus themselves will change. Office 12 turns the whole menu paradigm inside out, with almost no menus at all. A very small set of menus is still present, but most of the commands are in a group at the top of the window just below the menus which their designers call a "Ribbon". Ribbons are like toolbars in some respects, but without the limitations of a toolbar: icons with cryptic images requiring tooltips to decipher, and few in number representing a fixed subset of commands that barely touches the depth of a good feature set. No matter how many toolbar icons you squeeze in, most of the commands remained hidden in menus, requiring the user to still hunt around through the pull-downs to find the command they're looking for. In contrast, most controls in Ribbons generally have visible labels, or at least have icons large and detailed enough to make their function self-evident. But more importantly, the Ribbon is constantly updated to show different controls in different contexts, exposing a far greater range of commands available than in the older fixed toolbars. Dan Shafer brought this to our attention on this list last year with these two links: R.I.P. WYSIWYG: Results-Oriented UI Coming - Jakob Nielsen's overview of Ribbons: Jensen Harris blog - lead UI designer for Office 12: In theory, Ribbons make the feature set more self-evident by displaying commands right in front of the user, without requiring them to hunt for them among sometimes-long pull-down menus. By changing the Ribbon controls based on context, the goal is to provide access to all commands a program offers, showing the relevant ones at each step of the user's progress through the workflow. In practice, it seems the jury is still out. Most tellingly, after all the research investment MS put into the new Ribbons paradigm, they didn't bother implementing it for the OS itself or even any other programs outside of the Office suite. We can assume that if Ribbons had their confidence at all, they'd jump on the opportunity to avoid the inevitable confusion from mixing paradigms, with Office working one way and everything else working very differently. The progress with the design of Ribbons was blogged almost daily by Jensen Harris during the Office 12 dev cycle, but it's perhaps a hint of the failure of that paradigm that activity on his blog has almost completely stopped since Office 12 shipped. If MS had plans to implement Ribbons across their system I would expect his blog to be busier. In all fairness, it may still be the case that Ribbons is seen as a success within the company, and they're just being quiet about future rollouts in other products. It's just too early to know for sure. But whether Ribbons as a whole is a success or a failure, that MS was willing to break new ground with regard to command access is laudable, and some aspects of Ribbons will no doubt influence toolbar design for years to come. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From dan at clearvisiontech.com Wed Dec 12 11:19:16 2007 From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 08:19:16 -0800 Subject: Using the "do" command In-Reply-To: <20071212133654.6E6F3489CA5@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Greetings! My goal is to get information/data from iTunes. (i.e. the current song, the next song, current song's album artwork, etc.) On the Mac, this is a snap with the "do tScript as appleScript" command. However, on Windows (Rev version 2.9) I am having trouble.... The VB Script I am using is this: set iTunes = createObject("iTunes.Application") set currSong = iTunes.currentTrack Wscript.Echo currSong.Name If I save this script to a file named "getSongName.vbs" then double-click the file, it works. If I put the script in a field and do this: do field 1 as VBScript;put the result &cr& it All I get is "execution error". My guess is the problem is the "Wscript.Echo" command. But, how do you get a variable/parameter to return using VBScript? Thank you in advance! -Dan From jerry at daniels-mara.com Wed Dec 12 11:59:56 2007 From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:59:56 -0600 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: <695939.36592.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <695939.36592.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Fellow coders, revolutionaries, anarchists, nihilists, babies and lovers of light-love-levity... Have you checked out the Revolution Mega Holiday Bundle? http://www.runrev.com/offers/rshb/index.php NEVER have I seen such a package of goodies under a Christmas tree-- and I mean that in a Dr. Bronner's All-in-one-faith-God way! Enhancements to Revolution (and our work products thereof) worth over a couple of thou in USD. For the price of Revolution! Such a deal!! Many thanks to Kevin, Heather, Bill, Robin and the whole Rev gang for putting together such a great offer--and a beautiful landing page on top of it all! Our ability to deliver killer apps and utilities just got much better. Some additional benefits to the Mega Bundle above and beyond the money (thousands!) saved: 1. If you love celebrating the holidays, this is one great way to do it. 2. If you hate the holidays, this is one great way to make them go away. 3. If you need something to do over the holidays to get away from in- laws and others who don't understand the power of new icons, industrial databases, self-navigating code, click-click-snap-snap tutorial writing, new sound effects and color gradient tools...THIS is it. Check it out, dudes and dudettes! Much love from the heart of Texas, Your buddy, Jerry Daniels & Mara, Inc. Makers of GLX2 http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2 From luis at anachreon.co.uk Wed Dec 12 12:05:49 2007 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:05:49 +0000 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: References: <695939.36592.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Small Print from that page: Offer terms: Receive the RevSelect bundle when you pay the full retail price for Revolution Studio ($399 or ?199 for customers outside the USA) or Revolution Enterprise ($999/?499). Active license holders and recent purchasers may choose to extend their license by one year in lieu of receiving a new license. Not valid with update packs or upgrades. Training is offered at the RunRevLive conference on 8th May 2008; travel and lodging not included. See http:// www.runrevlive.com for details. Not valid in combination with any other offer. Promotion valid only from December 10, 2007 through January 10, 2008. Cheers, Luis. On 12 Dec 2007, at 16:59, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Fellow coders, revolutionaries, anarchists, nihilists, babies and > lovers of light-love-levity... > > Have you checked out the Revolution Mega Holiday Bundle? http:// > www.runrev.com/offers/rshb/index.php > > NEVER have I seen such a package of goodies under a Christmas tree-- > and I mean that in a Dr. Bronner's All-in-one-faith-God way! > Enhancements to Revolution (and our work products thereof) worth > over a couple of thou in USD. For the price of Revolution! Such a > deal!! > > Many thanks to Kevin, Heather, Bill, Robin and the whole Rev gang > for putting together such a great offer--and a beautiful landing > page on top of it all! Our ability to deliver killer apps and > utilities just got much better. > > Some additional benefits to the Mega Bundle above and beyond the > money (thousands!) saved: > > 1. If you love celebrating the holidays, this is one great way to > do it. > 2. If you hate the holidays, this is one great way to make them go > away. > 3. If you need something to do over the holidays to get away from > in-laws and others who don't understand the power of new icons, > industrial databases, self-navigating code, click-click-snap-snap > tutorial writing, new sound effects and color gradient tools...THIS > is it. > > Check it out, dudes and dudettes! > > Much love from the heart of Texas, > > Your buddy, Jerry > > Daniels & Mara, Inc. > Makers of GLX2 > http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 12 12:13:55 2007 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:13:55 +0000 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! Message-ID: <200712121713.55802.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Its a very attractive proposition...Very attracive indeed. But not quite so attractive if you're running Linux. Because in that case you don't get Valentina, and the Galaxy editor doesn't come for Linux, and neither does Quartam.. Soooo... Maybe the next one. And back to sqlite for my database, and awk, that throwback to prehistory, for my reports.... Awk is pretty good, if you know it already, he said bravely, hoping they would not laugh. Peter From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Wed Dec 12 12:30:14 2007 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:30:14 -0500 Subject: Date Conversion Problem In-Reply-To: <20071211163810.3DE5F489F03@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071211163810.3DE5F489F03@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hello everyone, A date conversion problem has cropped up in one of my stacks. I have a handler that starts with set useSysemDate to true I'm processing tab-delimited text files, so later in the handler I have the line convert the fourth item of aData[theDate] to abbrev English date Now, the dates in the text file are in short format, dd/mm/yyyy, e.g., 10/12/2007 for Monday, December 10th, and I'm converting them to my system's medium format in Leopard, which is Mon, Dec 10, 2007, but what I'm getting is the incorrect date because it is coming out in American format, mm/dd/yyyy or Fri, Oct 12, 2007. Is this a Leopard problem? Because I never had it before I upgraded. Dates are critical to my work, so any suggestions would be most appreciated. Incidentally, I'm using Revolution 2.8.1 Build 470 and Leopard 10.5.1 on an Intel iMac. Regards, Gregory From sunshine at public.kherson.ua Wed Dec 12 13:02:30 2007 From: sunshine at public.kherson.ua (Ruslan Zasukhin) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:02:30 +0200 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: <200712121713.55802.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: On 12/12/07 7:13 PM, "Peter Alcibiades" wrote: Hi Peter, > Its a very attractive proposition...Very attracive indeed. But not quite so > attractive if you're running Linux. Because in that case you don't get > Valentina, and the Galaxy editor doesn't come for Linux, and neither does > Quartam.. Please note that Valentina V4REV do works on linux, this version just not included into this bundle. But having this bundle you get ability UPGRADE to full version of Valentina. > Soooo... Maybe the next one. And back to sqlite for my database, and awk, > that throwback to prehistory, for my reports.... > > Awk is pretty good, if you know it already, he said bravely, hoping they would > not laugh. -- Best regards, Ruslan Zasukhin VP Engineering and New Technology Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - Joining Worlds of Information http://www.paradigmasoft.com [I feel the need: the need for speed] From wjm at wjm.org Wed Dec 12 13:03:26 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:03:26 -0500 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! References: <200712121713.55802.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Don't despair too soon. I heard a rumor that GLX2 actually runs swimmingly under Linux with Rev 2.9 beta. (Of course you get 2.9 for free with this bundle deal.) Quartam's products I *think* should also run ok. As for Valentina, they do have a Revolution engine for Linux; perhaps you might be able to work out a deal with Paradigma. It's definitely worth an email to them to find out. - Bill "Peter Alcibiades" wrote in message news:200712121713.55802.palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk... > Its a very attractive proposition...Very attracive indeed. But not quite > so > attractive if you're running Linux. Because in that case you don't get > Valentina, and the Galaxy editor doesn't come for Linux, and neither does > Quartam.. > > Soooo... Maybe the next one. And back to sqlite for my database, and > awk, > that throwback to prehistory, for my reports.... > > Awk is pretty good, if you know it already, he said bravely, hoping they > would > not laugh. > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From wjm at wjm.org Wed Dec 12 13:17:47 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:17:47 -0500 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! References: <695939.36592.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Luis, I'm not sure if you're saying the fine print is good or bad :) Hopefully there's nothing frightening about it. The main limitation is the updates/upgrades... and we just can't offer this kind of deal ($1886.65 of value-added software) for the price of a Studio early update pack (for example). The participating RevSelect vendors have to be paid for their products, after all. For $399, here's what you get: Programming Productivity --- Revolution Studio ....$399.00 (new license or 1yr extension) NEW GLX2 Script Editor ....$99.00 tm|Gauges ....$99.00 tm|Color & tm|Gradient ....$18.00 Business Add-Ons --- NEW Quartam PDF ....$149.00 Quartam Reports Express ....$129.00 Industrial-Strength Database --- Valentina 2 for Macintosh ....$199.00 Valentina 2 for Windows ....$199.00 Multimedia Utilities --- tm|Audio ....$79.00 Animation Engine 2.1 ....$49.00 ScreenSteps ....$39.95 Professional Iconography IconPeople Centaury ....$99.00 IconPeople Valerian ....$99.00 IconPeople Aspen ....$99.00 Audio Clips --- Mojo Audio Explosions ....$19.95 Mojo Audio Interface ....$19.95 Mojo Audio Arcade ....$19.95 Mojo Audio Sci-Fi ....$19.95 Mojo Audio Motor ....$19.95 Mojo Audio Magic Spells ....$19.95 Elven Village Vols. 1 & 2 ....$80.00 Halfling Village Vols. 1 & 2 ....$80.00 Professional Development --- NEW RunRevLive Day 1 Pass ....$250.00 TOTAL RETAIL VALUE ....$2,285.65 (You pay $399) In short, nothing like this bundle has ever come along before. So I really recommend giving it serious consideration if you want to get a comprehensive collection of Revolution goodies for a great price. http://www.runrev.com/offers/rshb - Bill RunRev marketing guy "Luis" wrote in message news:BD5C06FB-08DB-4CBF-978A-F1CFE64157C3 at anachreon.co.uk... Small Print from that page: Offer terms: Receive the RevSelect bundle when you pay the full retail price for Revolution Studio ($399 or ?199 for customers outside the USA) or Revolution Enterprise ($999/?499). Active license holders and recent purchasers may choose to extend their license by one year in lieu of receiving a new license. Not valid with update packs or upgrades. Training is offered at the RunRevLive conference on 8th May 2008; travel and lodging not included. See http:// www.runrevlive.com for details. Not valid in combination with any other offer. Promotion valid only from December 10, 2007 through January 10, 2008. Cheers, Luis. On 12 Dec 2007, at 16:59, Jerry Daniels wrote: > Fellow coders, revolutionaries, anarchists, nihilists, babies and lovers > of light-love-levity... > > Have you checked out the Revolution Mega Holiday Bundle? http:// > www.runrev.com/offers/rshb/index.php > > NEVER have I seen such a package of goodies under a Christmas tree-- > and I mean that in a Dr. Bronner's All-in-one-faith-God way! Enhancements > to Revolution (and our work products thereof) worth over a couple of thou > in USD. For the price of Revolution! Such a deal!! > > Many thanks to Kevin, Heather, Bill, Robin and the whole Rev gang for > putting together such a great offer--and a beautiful landing page on top > of it all! Our ability to deliver killer apps and utilities just got much > better. > > Some additional benefits to the Mega Bundle above and beyond the money > (thousands!) saved: > > 1. If you love celebrating the holidays, this is one great way to do it. > 2. If you hate the holidays, this is one great way to make them go away. > 3. If you need something to do over the holidays to get away from in-laws > and others who don't understand the power of new icons, industrial > databases, self-navigating code, click-click-snap-snap tutorial writing, > new sound effects and color gradient tools...THIS is it. > > Check it out, dudes and dudettes! > > Much love from the heart of Texas, > > Your buddy, Jerry > > Daniels & Mara, Inc. > Makers of GLX2 > http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2 From sadhu at castandcrew.com Wed Dec 12 13:22:29 2007 From: sadhu at castandcrew.com (Sadhunathan Nadesan) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:22:29 -0800 Subject: Eclipse or Visual Studio on the road map? Message-ID: <200712121822.lBCIMT55010044@sddev.castandcrew.com> Just a curiosity question, On the *nix side, Eclipse has pretty much commoditized the IDE market, and companies like Borland have jumped on the bandwagon (e.g, JBuilder went the Eclipse route). Same with open source projects like Ruby on Rails. On the Windows side, Eclipse is there too, and Visual Studio has lots of momentum with support for multiple languages. For example, take this free Python IDE for VS http://www.codeplex.com/IronPythonStudio So the question is, anything like Eclipse or VS on the road map for the Revolution language? From userev at canelasoftware.com Wed Dec 12 13:30:03 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:30:03 -0800 Subject: OT: VMware and Parallels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BD4558A-0699-4D51-8DCF-2133A5B63E5F@canelasoftware.com> On Dec 11, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > On Dec 11, 2007, at 1:38 PM, Mark Talluto wrote: > >> I have run into an issue with 2.9 b2, OS 10.4.11, and Parallels 3 >> build 5580. > > Hey Mark, > > Just a quick note that 5582 just came out for Parallels and it is > the official release (not beta) for Leopard. Maybe that would help > as well. Hi Trevor, Thanks for pointing that out. I gave the release build of Parallels a try and found that the problem still exists. I think I will convert over to VMware as everything works as it should there. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From mpetrides at earthlink.net Wed Dec 12 13:31:01 2007 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides, M.D.) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:31:01 -0600 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: References: <695939.36592.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bill I'm assuming that all the included software would be cross-platform (at least Mac and Windows, right)? So a person who is eligible for an early update on Enterprise (at $499) could order the early Enterprise update + the Studio Bundle--new Studio license ($399) and end up with the same bundle for $100 less than simply purchasing the Enterprise + bundle, correct? Or am I missing something? I realize the number of us in this position is probably small but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something before I ordered this way. Any way you look at it the bundle is fantastic! Marian PS I sent Heather an email with the same question off-list but then saw your post and made mine in the hope that I can figure out which way to go ASAP.... can't wait to get my grubby little paws on this bundle!! Thanks. On Dec 12, 2007, at 12:17 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: > Hi Luis, > > I'm not sure if you're saying the fine print is good or bad :) > Hopefully > there's nothing frightening about it. The main limitation is the > updates/upgrades... and we just can't offer this kind of deal > ($1886.65 of > value-added software) for the price of a Studio early update pack (for > example). The participating RevSelect vendors have to be paid for > their > products, after all. For $399, here's what you get: > > Programming Productivity > --- > Revolution Studio ....$399.00 > (new license or 1yr extension) > NEW GLX2 Script Editor ....$99.00 > tm|Gauges ....$99.00 > tm|Color & tm|Gradient ....$18.00 > > Business Add-Ons > --- > NEW Quartam PDF ....$149.00 > Quartam Reports Express ....$129.00 > > Industrial-Strength Database > --- > Valentina 2 for Macintosh ....$199.00 > Valentina 2 for Windows ....$199.00 > > Multimedia Utilities > --- > tm|Audio ....$79.00 > Animation Engine 2.1 ....$49.00 > ScreenSteps ....$39.95 > Professional Iconography > IconPeople Centaury ....$99.00 > IconPeople Valerian ....$99.00 > IconPeople Aspen ....$99.00 > > Audio Clips > --- > Mojo Audio Explosions ....$19.95 > Mojo Audio Interface ....$19.95 > Mojo Audio Arcade ....$19.95 > Mojo Audio Sci-Fi ....$19.95 > Mojo Audio Motor ....$19.95 > Mojo Audio Magic Spells ....$19.95 > Elven Village Vols. 1 & 2 ....$80.00 > Halfling Village Vols. 1 & 2 ....$80.00 > > Professional Development > --- > NEW RunRevLive Day 1 Pass ....$250.00 > > TOTAL RETAIL VALUE ....$2,285.65 (You pay $399) > > In short, nothing like this bundle has ever come along before. So I > really > recommend giving it serious consideration if you want to get a > comprehensive > collection of Revolution goodies for a great price. > > http://www.runrev.com/offers/rshb > > - Bill > RunRev marketing guy > > > > "Luis" wrote in message > news:BD5C06FB-08DB-4CBF-978A-F1CFE64157C3 at anachreon.co.uk... > Small Print from that page: > > Offer terms: Receive the RevSelect bundle when you pay the full > retail price for Revolution Studio ($399 or ?199 for customers > outside the USA) or Revolution Enterprise ($999/?499). Active license > holders and recent purchasers may choose to extend their license by > one year in lieu of receiving a new license. Not valid with update > packs or upgrades. Training is offered at the RunRevLive conference > on 8th May 2008; travel and lodging not included. See http:// > www.runrevlive.com for details. Not valid in combination with any > other offer. Promotion valid only from December 10, 2007 through > January 10, 2008. > > Cheers, > > Luis. > > > On 12 Dec 2007, at 16:59, Jerry Daniels wrote: > >> Fellow coders, revolutionaries, anarchists, nihilists, babies and >> lovers >> of light-love-levity... >> >> Have you checked out the Revolution Mega Holiday Bundle? http:// >> www.runrev.com/offers/rshb/index.php >> >> NEVER have I seen such a package of goodies under a Christmas tree-- >> and I mean that in a Dr. Bronner's All-in-one-faith-God way! >> Enhancements >> to Revolution (and our work products thereof) worth over a couple >> of thou >> in USD. For the price of Revolution! Such a deal!! >> >> Many thanks to Kevin, Heather, Bill, Robin and the whole Rev gang >> for >> putting together such a great offer--and a beautiful landing page >> on top >> of it all! Our ability to deliver killer apps and utilities just >> got much >> better. >> >> Some additional benefits to the Mega Bundle above and beyond the >> money >> (thousands!) saved: >> >> 1. If you love celebrating the holidays, this is one great way to >> do it. >> 2. If you hate the holidays, this is one great way to make them go >> away. >> 3. If you need something to do over the holidays to get away from >> in-laws >> and others who don't understand the power of new icons, industrial >> databases, self-navigating code, click-click-snap-snap tutorial >> writing, >> new sound effects and color gradient tools...THIS is it. >> >> Check it out, dudes and dudettes! >> >> Much love from the heart of Texas, >> >> Your buddy, Jerry >> >> Daniels & Mara, Inc. >> Makers of GLX2 >> http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From userev at canelasoftware.com Wed Dec 12 13:31:56 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:31:56 -0800 Subject: OT: VMware and Parallels In-Reply-To: <03046F5E-0873-4918-A54D-54DC082E9924@cox.net> References: <03046F5E-0873-4918-A54D-54DC082E9924@cox.net> Message-ID: <0BB73C7C-747C-4C52-AA04-D559C78ADB07@canelasoftware.com> On Dec 11, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > Hi Mark, > > The problems I reported a couple of days ago with "not appearing" > text for a program running WindowsXP was under VMWare's Fusion as I > mentioned. Perhaps the problems will disappear if/when I'm able to > test the program on a real PC Box. This program was compiled using > Rev 2.8.1. Have you been noting similar text problems with your > experiments? Otherwise, my program ran just fine. > > Joe Wilkins Hi Joe, I think Xavier nailed this one. I have not seen the problem over here though with my use of Parallels and now Fusion. I am using 2.9 a lot on the PC side though. Maybe that is why. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From wjm at wjm.org Wed Dec 12 13:44:31 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:44:31 -0500 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! References: <695939.36592.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Marian, Right on both counts. The products are cross platform... And yes, buy your Enterprise early update, pay $399 more and get Studio + the bundle. Bill "Marian Petrides, M.D." wrote... I'm assuming that all the included software would be cross-platform (at least Mac and Windows, right)? So a person who is eligible for an early update on Enterprise (at $499) could order the early Enterprise update + the Studio Bundle--new Studio license ($399) and end up with the same bundle for $100 less than simply purchasing the Enterprise + bundle, correct? Or am I missing something? I realize the number of us in this position is probably small but I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something before I ordered this way. Any way you look at it the bundle is fantastic! From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Dec 12 13:47:01 2007 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:47:01 -0600 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <745777EA-123A-4AC2-A72F-7892BCFD7183@looktowindward.com> References: <44CBC9B7-F961-440A-9435-AC1FE0132CDC@gmail.com> <745777EA-123A-4AC2-A72F-7892BCFD7183@looktowindward.com> Message-ID: <20071212124701224833.ee0f30cf@sonsothunder.com> This may help deal with things conceptually (ignore the docs for now, as there are a few errors in there related to menus): 1) A "menubar" is a group that contains buttons of the pulldown variety, that sits at the top of a stack. (For the examples below, I'll call the group "myMenus".) 2) On OS X, in order to show that group in the true Mac menu bar, you need to do two things: declare that your group of buttons is really a "menubar", and force the stack to resize itself to move the group up and out of the way so you don't see both the group of buttons AND the true menubar at the same tie. To do this, you manipulate the "menubar" and "editMenus" properties of a stack: set the menubar of this stack to "myMenus" -- puts your menus in the true menu bar set the editMenus of this stack to false -- causes the stack resizing to hide the group of buttons -- (it doesn't actually change the "visible" of the group, -- it just resizes the stack to automatically push the group -- above the visible card area - note this only happens on -- OS X; setting the editMenus on Win/Lin doesn't do -- anything (but if the same stack is opened on a Mac, -- whatever is the current editMenus setting will take place) 3) On OS X, if you want the same group of menus to be shown in the true menu bar for all currently open stacks, you can set the "defaultMenubar" global property. 4) On Windows (not Vista) and Linux (I believe), you *do not need* to do anything other than position your group of button in the right place and adjust normal props to make them look like Windows/Linux menus (border, font, etc.). Nothing is harmed by setting "the menubar" of the stack to the group, but nothing is gained either, AFAICT. In all of the above cases, Rev displays the menu that drops down in a compliance with the OS, and attempts to make the menu *buttons* (for Win and Lin) compliant as well. 5) On Windows Vista, however, the group and the menu buttons themselves will not display properly (the rollover "roundrect" on the menu buttons and the graduated background of the group won't be displayed) *unless* you "set the menubar" of the stack to the group. As soon as you do that, you get the rollovers and the proper graduated background of the group. BOTTOM LINE: It's better to "set the menubar" in all OS'es, even if it's not necessary in some. Finally, the only OS that can have a single set of menus (i.e. a single group with buttons) that applies to all or multiple stacks is OS X. All other OSes require individual group objects with buttons for their "menubars" because the menus are displayed in the window and not in a specialized location managed by the OS (as it is in OS X). There are clever hacks and libraries to attempt to simulate a "shared" menu bar, but in actuality they are still separate groups. So in order to get a "shared" menu bar in Win/Lin, you need to either use the hacks, or remove the menus from stacks entirely and create a single floating palette that holds the menus. Hope this helps, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From janschenkel at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 13:50:58 2007 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:50:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: <200712121713.55802.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <541261.96592.qm@web60518.mail.yahoo.com> --- Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Its a very attractive proposition...Very attracive > indeed. But not quite so > attractive if you're running Linux. Because in that > case you don't get > Valentina, and the Galaxy editor doesn't come for > Linux, and neither does > Quartam.. > > Soooo... Maybe the next one. And back to sqlite > for my database, and awk, > that throwback to prehistory, for my reports.... > > Awk is pretty good, if you know it already, he said > bravely, hoping they would > not laugh. > > Peter > Hi Peter et al, I see you have already received concerning Valentina and GLX2. Let me add that Quartam PDF Library uses no native extensions and can be used on Linux without a problem. As for Quartam Reports, the report printing library works on any Revolution 2.x-supported platform, including Linux - the layout builder is the single part that has been compiled for MacOS and Windows only. Now that I have installed Ubuntu under Parallels on my MacBook, I can personally test how the next version of Quartam Reports, including the layout builder, will run on Linux. And to answer the question you're bound to ask: everyone who buys Quartam Reports version 1.0 gets a free upgrade to version 1.1 - more news on that upgrade to come shortly. Best regards, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From mpetrides at earthlink.net Wed Dec 12 13:56:23 2007 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides, M.D.) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 12:56:23 -0600 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: References: <695939.36592.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7A19E43A-CBEB-4976-9825-BEA0F1F2D467@earthlink.net> Thanks, Bill. That's the way I'll go. Great deal either way! On Dec 12, 2007, at 12:44 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: > Marian, > > Right on both counts. > > The products are cross platform... > > And yes, buy your Enterprise early update, pay $399 more and get > Studio + > the bundle. > > Bill > > "Marian Petrides, M.D." wrote... > I'm assuming that all the included software would be cross-platform > (at least Mac and Windows, right)? > > So a person who is eligible for an early update on Enterprise (at > $499) could order the early Enterprise update + the Studio Bundle--new > Studio license ($399) and end up with the same bundle for $100 less > than simply purchasing the Enterprise + bundle, correct? Or am I > missing something? > > I realize the number of us in this position is probably small but I > wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something before I ordered this > way. > > Any way you look at it the bundle is fantastic! > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From janschenkel at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 14:26:03 2007 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:26:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Eclipse or Visual Studio on the road map? In-Reply-To: <200712121822.lBCIMT55010044@sddev.castandcrew.com> Message-ID: <672034.67061.qm@web60522.mail.yahoo.com> --- Sadhunathan Nadesan wrote: > Just a curiosity question, > > On the *nix side, Eclipse has pretty much > commoditized the IDE market, and > companies like Borland have jumped on the bandwagon > (e.g, JBuilder went > the Eclipse route). Same with open source projects > like Ruby on Rails. > On the Windows side, Eclipse is there too, and > Visual Studio has lots > of momentum with support for multiple languages. > > For example, take this free Python IDE for VS > > http://www.codeplex.com/IronPythonStudio > > So the question is, anything like Eclipse or VS on > the road map for the > Revolution language? > Hi Sadhu et al, For my Java work, I prefer Eclipse for most editing work, and NetBeans when I need a good form builder. Having used Visual Studio.NET as well, I definitely appreciate the strength of their refactoring tools, project-oriented approach and integration with unit testing tools. The big question is: can their approach be applied to the xCard programming paradigm? - forms in Java and .NET are code-generated, unlike Revolution where stacks and cards are the core - everything in Java and .NET revolves exclusively around classes that may or may not represent visual parts of your UI, but Revolution is not object-oriented even if it has OO characteristics What could be great additions to Revolution? - integration with CVS, SVN and other source version control systems, so that developers can cooperate more easily, down to the level of individual scripts rather than at the stack level - more robust plug-in mechanism - refactoring tools to automatically rename variables, handler and function names in one go throughout a project, easily extract handlers and functions from scripts, etc. Just my two cents, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From janschenkel at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 14:32:16 2007 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:32:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Date Conversion Problem In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <407497.68505.qm@web60525.mail.yahoo.com> --- Gregory Lypny wrote: > Hello everyone, > > A date conversion problem has cropped up in one of > my stacks. I have > a handler that starts with > > set useSysemDate to true > > I'm processing tab-delimited text files, so later in > the handler I > have the line > > convert the fourth item of aData[theDate] to abbrev > English date > > Now, the dates in the text file are in short format, > dd/mm/yyyy, e.g., > 10/12/2007 for Monday, December 10th, and I'm > converting them to my > system's medium format in Leopard, which is Mon, Dec > 10, 2007, but > what I'm getting is the incorrect date because it is > coming out in > American format, mm/dd/yyyy or Fri, Oct 12, 2007. > > Is this a Leopard problem? Because I never had it > before I upgraded. > Dates are critical to my work, so any suggestions > would be most > appreciated. > > Incidentally, I'm using Revolution 2.8.1 Build 470 > and Leopard 10.5.1 > on an Intel iMac. > > Regards, > > Gregory > Hi Gregory, My guess is that the convert command needs a little help here, as it could be either an English date or a system date. If you're sure the data is going to be in system date format, then modify your script to: convert the fourth item of aData[theDate] from system date to abbrev English date Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution ===== "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time." (La Rochefoucauld) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From wjm at wjm.org Wed Dec 12 17:04:11 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:04:11 -0500 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! References: <200712121713.55802.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <541261.96592.qm@web60518.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jan, > Quartam PDF Library uses no native extensions and can be used on Linux without a problem. > ... the [Quartam Reports] report printing library works on any Revolution 2.x-supported platform, including Linux > ...everyone who buys Quartam Reports version 1.0 gets a free upgrade to version 1.1 Thanks so much for posting the great news! This just points out another terrific benefit of snagging the bundle: namely, that you get to become the customer of some great software makers who are really pulling together to deliver a tremendous value for everyone! Free upgrades for bundle customers! Wow! PLUS Linux compatibility! Awesome! http://www.runrev.com/offers/rshb - Bill From hershf at rgllc.us Wed Dec 12 17:12:39 2007 From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:12:39 -0500 Subject: Cgi frames wondering Message-ID: Hi all I'm wondering why I cant get frames to work with rev Cgi osx 10.3.9? The cgi file named "frames.cgi", #!revolution on startup put "frames.txt" into theTemplateFile if there is not a file theTemplateFile then put "Error: template missing" into theData else put url ("file:"&theTemplateFile) into theData end if # write minimal set of HTTP headers to stdout put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr put "Content-Length:" && the length of theData & cr & cr put theData end startup The text file named "frames.txt" The frame file named "frame1.html" Untitled

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Thanks, Hershel From pepetoo at cox.net Wed Dec 12 18:19:56 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:19:56 -0800 Subject: OT: VMware and Parallels In-Reply-To: <0BB73C7C-747C-4C52-AA04-D559C78ADB07@canelasoftware.com> References: <03046F5E-0873-4918-A54D-54DC082E9924@cox.net> <0BB73C7C-747C-4C52-AA04-D559C78ADB07@canelasoftware.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Mark, Once I find a PC Box to test on we'll see what happens. Joe Wilkins On Dec 12, 2007, at 10:31 AM, Mark Talluto wrote: > > On Dec 11, 2007, at 10:57 AM, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> The problems I reported a couple of days ago with "not appearing" >> text for a program running WindowsXP was under VMWare's Fusion as >> I mentioned. Perhaps the problems will disappear if/when I'm able >> to test the program on a real PC Box. This program was compiled >> using Rev 2.8.1. Have you been noting similar text problems with >> your experiments? Otherwise, my program ran just fine. >> >> Joe Wilkins > > > Hi Joe, > > I think Xavier nailed this one. I have not seen the problem over > here though with my use of Parallels and now Fusion. I am using > 2.9 a lot on the PC side though. Maybe that is why. > > Mark Talluto > -- > CANELA Software > http://www.canelasoftware.com From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Wed Dec 12 18:40:27 2007 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:40:27 +0000 Subject: Cgi frames wondering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4CA79378-AFB0-409C-B82F-9E34E950C5ED@lacscentre.co.uk> On 12 Dec 2007, at 22:12, Hershel Fisch wrote: > Hi all I'm wondering why I cant get frames to work with rev Cgi osx > 10.3.9? > Just a guess. The src of the frames is a relative url. (e.g frame1.html). Where do you have these files? if they are in the cgi- bin folder, I don't think the browser wil be able to retrieve them directly. What happens if you put the frame src files in the html document tree, and set the src to the full url. (http://etc/frame1.html) Cheers Dave From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Dec 12 18:56:41 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:56:41 +0000 Subject: Generating custom windowshapes within Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56C5A663-37FE-46DE-8E0E-536D41BBB78C@azurevision.co.uk> Having played around quite a bit with custom windowshapes I finally got around to looking at Eric's recent tutorial which prompted me to try out an idea I had some time ago - the creation of custom windowshapes within the app itself. Ingredients: Rev 2.7 and above - we're using the 'from object with full transparency' capability of the import snapshot command. 1. Make a graphic or group of graphics the shape that you want the window to be, applying corners with a radius, variable opacity etc. In this example, it's a rounded graphic called "windowshape". Original, hey? 2. Start with the following code and play around: import snapshot from grc "windowshape" put the id of the last img into tID set the windowshape of this stack to tID 3. There is no step 3. Obviously this is very bare bones, but a bit of extra tinkering gives us this: import snapshot from grc "windowshape" put the id of the last img into tID set the windowshape of this stack to tID put the propOldShape of this stack into tOldID if tOldID is not empty then delete image id tOldID end if set the visible of the last img to false set the propOldShape of this stack to tID which automatically deletes the old temporary image. Stick it all on a substack and we can have fully automated windowshapes, maybe even with the possibility of *resizable* custom shapes... Ian From luis at anachreon.co.uk Wed Dec 12 19:04:02 2007 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:04:02 +0000 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: References: <695939.36592.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <476076F2.8020609@anachreon.co.uk> So I have to buy Rev Studio to qualify and then the Bundle? Cheers, Luis. Bill Marriott wrote: > Hi Luis, > > I'm not sure if you're saying the fine print is good or bad :) Hopefully > there's nothing frightening about it. The main limitation is the > updates/upgrades... and we just can't offer this kind of deal ($1886.65 of > value-added software) for the price of a Studio early update pack (for > example). The participating RevSelect vendors have to be paid for their > products, after all. For $399, here's what you get: > > Programming Productivity > --- > Revolution Studio ....$399.00 > (new license or 1yr extension) > NEW GLX2 Script Editor ....$99.00 > tm|Gauges ....$99.00 > tm|Color & tm|Gradient ....$18.00 > > Business Add-Ons > --- > NEW Quartam PDF ....$149.00 > Quartam Reports Express ....$129.00 > > Industrial-Strength Database > --- > Valentina 2 for Macintosh ....$199.00 > Valentina 2 for Windows ....$199.00 > > Multimedia Utilities > --- > tm|Audio ....$79.00 > Animation Engine 2.1 ....$49.00 > ScreenSteps ....$39.95 > Professional Iconography > IconPeople Centaury ....$99.00 > IconPeople Valerian ....$99.00 > IconPeople Aspen ....$99.00 > > Audio Clips > --- > Mojo Audio Explosions ....$19.95 > Mojo Audio Interface ....$19.95 > Mojo Audio Arcade ....$19.95 > Mojo Audio Sci-Fi ....$19.95 > Mojo Audio Motor ....$19.95 > Mojo Audio Magic Spells ....$19.95 > Elven Village Vols. 1 & 2 ....$80.00 > Halfling Village Vols. 1 & 2 ....$80.00 > > Professional Development > --- > NEW RunRevLive Day 1 Pass ....$250.00 > > TOTAL RETAIL VALUE ....$2,285.65 (You pay $399) > > In short, nothing like this bundle has ever come along before. So I really > recommend giving it serious consideration if you want to get a comprehensive > collection of Revolution goodies for a great price. > > http://www.runrev.com/offers/rshb > > - Bill > RunRev marketing guy > > > > "Luis" wrote in message > news:BD5C06FB-08DB-4CBF-978A-F1CFE64157C3 at anachreon.co.uk... > Small Print from that page: > > Offer terms: Receive the RevSelect bundle when you pay the full > retail price for Revolution Studio ($399 or ?199 for customers > outside the USA) or Revolution Enterprise ($999/?499). Active license > holders and recent purchasers may choose to extend their license by > one year in lieu of receiving a new license. Not valid with update > packs or upgrades. Training is offered at the RunRevLive conference > on 8th May 2008; travel and lodging not included. See http:// > www.runrevlive.com for details. Not valid in combination with any > other offer. Promotion valid only from December 10, 2007 through > January 10, 2008. > > Cheers, > > Luis. > > > On 12 Dec 2007, at 16:59, Jerry Daniels wrote: > >> Fellow coders, revolutionaries, anarchists, nihilists, babies and lovers >> of light-love-levity... >> >> Have you checked out the Revolution Mega Holiday Bundle? http:// >> www.runrev.com/offers/rshb/index.php >> >> NEVER have I seen such a package of goodies under a Christmas tree-- >> and I mean that in a Dr. Bronner's All-in-one-faith-God way! Enhancements >> to Revolution (and our work products thereof) worth over a couple of thou >> in USD. For the price of Revolution! Such a deal!! >> >> Many thanks to Kevin, Heather, Bill, Robin and the whole Rev gang for >> putting together such a great offer--and a beautiful landing page on top >> of it all! Our ability to deliver killer apps and utilities just got much >> better. >> >> Some additional benefits to the Mega Bundle above and beyond the money >> (thousands!) saved: >> >> 1. If you love celebrating the holidays, this is one great way to do it. >> 2. If you hate the holidays, this is one great way to make them go away. >> 3. If you need something to do over the holidays to get away from in-laws >> and others who don't understand the power of new icons, industrial >> databases, self-navigating code, click-click-snap-snap tutorial writing, >> new sound effects and color gradient tools...THIS is it. >> >> Check it out, dudes and dudettes! >> >> Much love from the heart of Texas, >> >> Your buddy, Jerry >> >> Daniels & Mara, Inc. >> Makers of GLX2 >> http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2 > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Dec 12 19:16:32 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:16:32 +0000 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: <476076F2.8020609@anachreon.co.uk> References: <695939.36592.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <476076F2.8020609@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: <78313695-2F3F-43DC-94F2-51A586B4CC40@azurevision.co.uk> On 13 Dec 2007, at 00:04, Luis wrote: > So I have to buy Rev Studio to qualify and then the Bundle? Nope. If you follow the order now link it clearly states either a new license with 90 days of updates, or 1 year renewal on an existing copy, your choice. Ian From wjm at wjm.org Wed Dec 12 19:41:18 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:41:18 -0500 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! References: <695939.36592.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <476076F2.8020609@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: Nope :) The bundles include a copy of Revolution, either Enterprise or Studio. If you already have Revolution, the bundle extends your license by one year. Luis wrote... "So I have to buy Rev Studio to qualify and then the Bundle?" From scott at tactilemedia.com Wed Dec 12 19:43:09 2007 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:43:09 -0800 Subject: Generating custom windowshapes within Rev In-Reply-To: <56C5A663-37FE-46DE-8E0E-536D41BBB78C@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: Recently, Ian Wood wrote: > we can have fully automated > windowshapes, maybe even with the possibility of *resizable* custom > shapes... Yes, this is quite doable. You just can't do it with live dragging, or as smoothly as resizing a normal window. This kind of stuff would be a *lot* easier if we could also use graphics (as opposed to images) to define the window region. Building mask images on the fly is major pain and slow. Finally, I hate to throw out vaporware promises, but one of the tools in development over here will allow for easy construction of custom windows natively within Rev, complete with shading and rendered appearances. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com Wed Dec 12 19:53:25 2007 From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:53:25 -0600 Subject: OT: An Old Mac using A New Mac Message-ID: <47608285.6000306@dreamscapesoftware.com> I just felt like sharing. About 5 years ago I sold my Mac laptop for $600 and joined the military. At the time that Mac had a G3 processor and was running Mac OS X 10.1. Now, how many years later, I've got a Mac Mini sitting on my desk in the other room and I'm watching movie trailers on Front Row. This Mini is running 10.5. It's not mine, but I wish it was. I miss the shear simplicity of the Macintosh operating system. Hopefully, over the next few weeks, I can sell a few more and then buy one for myself. Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com ___________________________________________________________________ Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ From katir at hindu.org Wed Dec 12 20:42:11 2007 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:42:11 -1000 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: References: <200712121713.55802.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <541261.96592.qm@web60518.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47608DF3.2070706@hindu.org> > > http://www.runrev.com/offers/rshb > > - Bill > > > > OK so you have us all drooling now, well done! (smile) what about us poor babies who upgraded early and don't need to buy in again until later: (In our case March 08 for renewal of edu-enterprise license) I guess Rev Santa will not be stopping by my house this year "boo hoo hoo" and this offer is only for newbies... Anyway, congrats on the powerful new marketing! Sivakatirswami From mpetrides at earthlink.net Wed Dec 12 20:57:42 2007 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:57:42 -0600 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: <47608DF3.2070706@hindu.org> References: <200712121713.55802.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <541261.96592.qm@web60518.mail.yahoo.com> <47608DF3.2070706@hindu.org> Message-ID: >>>>OK so you have us all drooling now, well done! (smile) what > about us poor babies who upgraded early and don't need to buy in > again until later: (In our case March 08 for renewal of edu- > enterprise license) If you renew now, the renewal will extend you until March '09. However, there's a less expensive way to renew. Buy a new Studio license for $400 and get the entire bundle. Then before your Enterprise license runs out in March, get an Enterprise early renewal for $500. The result: an Enterprise license that runs through March '09 + the entire bundle + a license for Studio 2.8.1 that you probably don't need--all for $900 -- i.e. for less than what it would cost to buy an Enterprise renewal bundle. I just did this--see the rest of my message below: > I guess Rev Santa will not be stopping by my house this year > > "boo hoo hoo" > > and this offer is only for newbies... Au contraire. I have an Enterprise license that does not expire until June '08. I purchased a _new_ Studio license as part of the Studio Bundle for $400 and then did an early renewal on my Enterprise license for $500. (I didn't really HAVE to renew this early but it is easier not to have to worry that I might forget to renew until more than a year had passed and I didn't qualify for a discounted early renewal.) As a result, I now have an Enterprise license through June '09, a Studio license for 2.8.1 (that I don't really need), and the entire bundle. Total cost: $900. Confusing pricing but a mighty good deal. M On Dec 12, 2007, at 7:42 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > >> >> http://www.runrev.com/offers/rshb >> >> - Bill >> >> >> >> > > OK so you have us all drooling now, well done! (smile) what > about us poor babies who upgraded early and don't need to buy in > again until later: (In our case March 08 for renewal of edu- > enterprise license) > > I guess Rev Santa will not be stopping by my house this year > > "boo hoo hoo" > > and this offer is only for newbies... > > Anyway, congrats on the powerful new marketing! > > Sivakatirswami > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Wed Dec 12 21:04:17 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:04:17 -0800 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: <47608DF3.2070706@hindu.org> Message-ID: On 12/12/07 5:42 PM, "Sivakatirswami" wrote: > > OK so you have us all drooling now, well done! (smile) what > about us poor babies who upgraded early and don't need to buy in again > until later: (In our case March 08 for renewal of edu-enterprise license) > > I guess Rev Santa will not be stopping by my house this year > > "boo hoo hoo" > > and this offer is only for newbies... > > Anyway, congrats on the powerful new marketing! > I believe Bill Mariott just wrote: " If you already have Revolution, the bundle extends your license by one year." The key word is "extends", so that May 08 => May 09 Best to get confirmation, though. Jim Ault Las Vegas From pmbrig at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 21:40:05 2007 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:40:05 -0500 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <20071212180005.8FB25489D43@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071212180005.8FB25489D43@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Eric Chatonet wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Le 12 d?c. 07 ? 15:32, Dave a ?crit : > > >> Hi, >> >> Ok, I understand this a bit better now, but one thing still >> confuses me. How does it know that the Menubar group is a Menubar >> group and not some other group with button in it? >> > > Any group that contains at least a button the style of which is > "pulldown" is considered by Rev as a 'possible' menu bar. > > >> I understand I can create as many Menubars as are needed and hide/ >> show them etc. But how does it know which one to use? What if there >> is more than one visible Menubar? >> > > Rev does not mind which menu bar to use on Windows: > It's up to you to manage this and to show one menu bar only at a > time :-) > On Win, the menu bar is a group of Rev buttons and as any other > control, you can show or hide it. > As a menubar group is opaque, it depends also on the layering. > > Best regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet. I'm sorry, but I guess my lack of experience with Windows (and lack of access to a Windows machine) leaves me stupid about this, so I'm going to beat the dead horse again. With Windows, the menubar appears at the top of the window not at the top of the screen as with the Mac, I get this -- but it still appears above the content pane (the rect) of the window, as part of the "frame", not as part of the content pane. Any group of buttons I make for a menu will appear (in the IDE) somewhere in the rect of my stack. In OSX you "set the menubar to" the intended group, and it gets moved out of the rect of the window up to the top of the screen. How does Windows know which button group to move from the window rect up to the frame of the window? (I don't want a bunch of buttons just inside the top of the window rect, I want the usual Windows menu placement.) Does it choose whatever button group is visible, as long as it contains at least one "pulldown" style button? Does the group have to be at the top of the stack window? Do you have to specify in the Standalone Builder somewhere in the Windows preferences which button group to use as the menu for the window? In short, how do it know, in Windows??? Please would someone explain, in small words. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ -- Member, Mad Scientists' Union, Local 127 From bvlahos at mac.com Wed Dec 12 16:49:14 2007 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 13:49:14 -0800 Subject: File extensions for Windows Message-ID: My application makes documents. I see where I can specify the file extension for a standalone on the Mac build although the Tool Tip is very confusing for it. The name of the field is clear. However, I don't see a similar field in the Windows section of the standalone builder. In fact, I can't seem to find much discussion in the docs for the Standalone Application Settings. Please let me know if and where these are described in the Docs. Bill Vlahos From katir at hindu.org Wed Dec 12 22:35:17 2007 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:35:17 -1000 Subject: Invoke Windows Mail client on Vista Message-ID: <4760A875.1030103@hindu.org> ON mouseup revGoURL "mailto: letters at hindu.org" hideWebLinksPanel END mouseup is working on Mac OSX-Leopard but not on Vista? Is there a better way for Windows? tks Sivakatirswami From wjm at wjm.org Wed Dec 12 22:37:49 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:37:49 -0500 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! References: <47608DF3.2070706@hindu.org> Message-ID: Absolutely correct. > The key word is "extends", so that May 08 => May 09 > Best to get confirmation, though. From bridgeyman at gmail.com Wed Dec 12 22:59:17 2007 From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 20:59:17 -0700 Subject: Images Miscolored Message-ID: <86ae76bb0712121959w4ce53d3dh52786a22fbdc1d04@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I am experiencing an odd problem with the way some images in my stack created on Leopard show up on Tiger. Their colors get off. Some grey images end up with a very distinctive blue tint. I can't quite pinpoint the cause though. The problem does not happen to all images, but I can't figure out a pattern. It can be an image referenced by filename, or imported into the stack. I thought maybe it is only the images I created in Photoshop CS3, but others display just fine. I don't have Tiger machine to test on, so I am a little limited in what I can try. The images in question look fine in Preview on Tiger, but start looking odd when displayed in a stack. I have uploaded one of the troubled images as a png and its original Photoshop file, if anyone could give me a hand. www.fieryferret.com/oddimages/PreviewBack.png www.fieryferret.com/oddimages/PreviewControls.psd TTFN Bridger Maxwell From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Dec 13 00:24:18 2007 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:24:18 -0800 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: References: <200712121713.55802.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <151977873218.20071212212418@ahsoftware.net> Bill- Wednesday, December 12, 2007, 10:03:26 AM, you wrote: > I heard a rumor that GLX2 actually runs swimmingly under Linux with Rev 2.9 > beta. (Of course you get 2.9 for free with this bundle deal.) Quartam's More than a rumor, Bill. The web site still doesn't mention it (at least the last time I looked), but I've got GLX2 running as my native environment on Kubuntu. Without having to patch a thing. Just popped up and did what it was supposed to. -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From xavier.bury at googlemail.com Thu Dec 13 01:17:44 2007 From: xavier.bury at googlemail.com (Xavier Bury) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:17:44 +0100 Subject: just a test - please ignore Message-ID: <81eb34c40712122217h3e24f174m1c39c0d24f6a1a57@mail.gmail.com> test please ignore From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Dec 13 01:23:08 2007 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:23:08 -0600 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: References: <20071212180005.8FB25489D43@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <4760CFCC.70701@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Brigham wrote: > (I don't want a bunch of buttons just inside > the top of the window rect, I want the usual Windows menu placement.) > Does it choose whatever button group is visible, as long as it contains > at least one "pulldown" style button? Does the group have to be at the > top of the stack window? Do you have to specify in the Standalone > Builder somewhere in the Windows preferences which button group to use > as the menu for the window? In short, how do it know, in Windows??? > Please would someone explain, in small words. Rev doesn't "know" per se that you have a menu bar on a Windows stack (except in the case of Vista, as Ken mentioned, where setting the menubar will apply the Vista colors and behaviors to the menus.) The menu group really does sit at the top of the card, just under the window frame. If you position the mouse just under the menu bar and ask for the mouseV, you won't get "0" (which is what you'd get if the menubar were outside the window), you get the height of the menubar group instead. The menu takes up space on the card, and is part of the card contents. Rev doesn't move the menu group on Windows OS or pay any attention to its position. You could easily place a menu group in the center of the card, and it would stay there. If you want standard Windows placement, put the menu group at the top of the card (which is where Rev positions it when you use the Menu Builder.) The colors you choose for the background and borders of the group can make the menu bar appear to be part of the window frame if you like. Menus on Windows aren't particularly special; they are just regular groups with a bunch of pulldown buttons, and they stay where you put them. Rev doesn't "choose" a menu group; you could theoretically line up several on the same card and Rev wouldn't care. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From chipp at chipp.com Thu Dec 13 04:04:17 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 03:04:17 -0600 Subject: File extensions for Windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7aa52a210712130104t748538cej94f816e48f251e77@mail.gmail.com> Bill, You need to edit the registry on the users computer to create a link between your application and it's files. -Chipp From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Thu Dec 13 07:53:11 2007 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 07:53:11 -0500 Subject: just a test - please ignore Message-ID: But who could ignore you?! hehe.. :-) <3 From xavier.bury at googlemail.com Thu Dec 13 08:13:15 2007 From: xavier.bury at googlemail.com (Xavier Bury) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:13:15 +0100 Subject: just a test - please ignore In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81eb34c40712130513s59ab5e07u86ddba0420a99d04@mail.gmail.com> Hi Sean! Well, i didn't want to polute the list with the 24 mb corp foot each time and at the same time avoid Lotus Notes as much as possible (you wouldn't believe how much it shux)... So i tried and tried in vain to register my gmail account but each time i got moderated... X ( But im back!!! Hopefully with lots of goodies to come now that i have MonsieurX.com working again as i wanted... Drupal is not for kids, xtalkers and i sure took my time to verify that... Cheers Xavier From geradamas at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 10:14:00 2007 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:14:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: just a test - please ignore Message-ID: <461789.34028.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> from one erstwhile "outcast" to another: Good to see you back, and please feel free to send any messages that may get you booted off this list again directly to me pour le degustation! Love, Richmond ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com From jerry at daniels-mara.com Thu Dec 13 10:16:13 2007 From: jerry at daniels-mara.com (Jerry Daniels) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 09:16:13 -0600 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: <151977873218.20071212212418@ahsoftware.net> References: <200712121713.55802.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <151977873218.20071212212418@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Linux lovers... We are in the process of getting our GLX2 support team set up on Linux so we can actually support the product in that setting. We'll post to the list here and on our site when GLX2 for Linux is supported and has been blessed by our testers of which includes Mark "Mr. Natural" Wieder. Best, Jerry Daniels Daniels & Mara, Inc. Makers of GLX2 http://www.daniels-mara.com/glx2 On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:24 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Bill- > > Wednesday, December 12, 2007, 10:03:26 AM, you wrote: > >> I heard a rumor that GLX2 actually runs swimmingly under Linux with >> Rev 2.9 >> beta. (Of course you get 2.9 for free with this bundle deal.) >> Quartam's > > More than a rumor, Bill. The web site still doesn't mention it (at > least the last time I looked), but I've got GLX2 running as my native > environment on Kubuntu. Without having to patch a thing. Just popped > up and did what it was supposed to. > > -- > -Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From revolution at derbrill.de Thu Dec 13 10:24:11 2007 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:24:11 +0100 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: <20071212133654.B713B489CA8@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071212133654.B713B489CA8@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <79BD80B7-D62C-406F-9997-1BD6B0125CB6@derbrill.de> Bill wrote: > Free upgrades for bundle customers! > Wow! Same applies to the next revision of AnimationEngine. :-) Happy to be on bord. All the best Malte From dave at looktowindward.com Thu Dec 13 10:34:34 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:34:34 +0000 Subject: Sending a Window to the Dock In-Reply-To: <6FABD371-BD8B-407E-A0F0-FB9C244949BF@economy-x-talk.com> References: <834D072C-8E6C-4AF3-BCCE-2C08A1D151EE@looktowindward.com> <6FABD371-BD8B-407E-A0F0-FB9C244949BF@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <272FEDF2-756B-4F6F-AAC8-F39D8AE0DD76@looktowindward.com> Hi, Thanks Mark and Eric, works a treat! All the Best Dave On 12 Dec 2007, at 14:44, Mark Schonewille wrote: > set the iconic of stack to {true | false} > > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > > Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. > http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com > > > Op 12-dec-2007, om 15:40 heeft Dave het volgende geschreven: > >> Hi, >> >> Is there anyway I can send a Stack Window to the Dock >> programatically? >> >> Thanks a lot >> All the Best >> Dave > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From xavier.bury at googlemail.com Thu Dec 13 10:38:04 2007 From: xavier.bury at googlemail.com (Xavier Bury) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:38:04 +0100 Subject: just a test - please ignore In-Reply-To: <461789.34028.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <461789.34028.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <81eb34c40712130738q6d7e472w56b7c746e30d63c4@mail.gmail.com> Hi Richmond, Surprised you? I use metacard and since last summer rev professionally almost every day (or used to) so i kept an eye for when they would fix the win32 rdp bug. The only thing missing in the past more than half a decade... Long wait for a bug fix, i tell you... And since their quality is finally a priority effort, i decided to buy a license - last summer... On the personal basis, I still see no incentive to restart TAOO or another Nitrous tools adventure yet but who knows... However the xtalk architecture is still my prefered mode of operation and the only OS is deem worthy to get my hands dirty with... So who knows what could happen on a rainy day? La degustation du jour will be coming next year (when and what it it is remains a surprise)... cheerios Xavier On Dec 13, 2007 4:14 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > from one erstwhile "outcast" to another: > > Good to see you back, and please feel free to send any > messages that may get you booted off this list again > directly to me pour le degustation! > > Love, Richmond > > ____________________________________________________________ > > A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life > Cycle. > ____________________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________________ > Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From luis at anachreon.co.uk Thu Dec 13 11:33:11 2007 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:33:11 +0000 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: References: <695939.36592.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <476076F2.8020609@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: <31970CCB-C6F3-4878-9B2A-0861630C04BC@anachreon.co.uk> So, if I buy the Bundle, my current licence will be extended for a year? Plus I get all the other goodies, of course. It's all a bit weird getting all these freebies, feels like a fund raising event... Cheers, Luis. On 13 Dec 2007, at 00:41, Bill Marriott wrote: > Nope :) The bundles include a copy of Revolution, either Enterprise or > Studio. If you already have Revolution, the bundle extends your > license by > one year. > > Luis wrote... > "So I have to buy Rev Studio to qualify and then the Bundle?" > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From revolution at derbrill.de Thu Dec 13 11:44:33 2007 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:44:33 +0100 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: <20071212180005.EEA20489D66@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071212180005.EEA20489D66@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <5819C210-47B4-4F70-BC72-918CC3AF9EF6@derbrill.de> Luis wrote: >It's all a bit weird getting all these freebies Tis the season :-D From dave at looktowindward.com Thu Dec 13 12:58:28 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 17:58:28 +0000 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: <20071211184459.ZBHZ6099.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20071211184459.ZBHZ6099.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: I find this function REALLY useful for AppleScripting: function AddQuotes theString return quote & theString & quote end AddQuotes All the Best Dave On 11 Dec 2007, at 18:44, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Thanks Ken, i was using a custom prop and ran it as applescript. > Works fine. What i still dont understand is why everything went > unresponsive (the finder) and why it now works... Maddening. > What might happen tomorrow? > -----Original Message----- > From: "Ken Ray" > To: "How to use Revolution" > Sent: 12/11/2007 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: (no subject) > >> Your AppleScript should look something like this: >> --3 lines, watch line wraps >> >> tell application "Finder" >> open folder "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" >> end tell >> >> Your Rev script should look like this: >> --a do statement is single line so you'll need to unwrap this >> --the tricky bit is quotes and spaces in the right place >> >> do "tell application " & quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & "open >> folder " & >> quote & "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" & quote & cr >> & "end >> tell" as applescript > > > Just FYI, there's a couple of other approaches (some are "best > practices") when executing AppleScript from Rev... > > 1) Put the script into a custom property or field and execute it > (although I wouldn't recommend fields for a variety of reasons): > > do (the openFolderScript of this stack) as AppleScript > > 2) If you need to do it inline, use the \ line continuation feature to > help make your code more readable: > > put "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" into tFolder > put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & \ > "open folder" && quote & tFolder & quote & cr & \ > "end tell" into tScript > do tScript as AppleScript > > 3) Use backquotes (`) for quotation marks while building your script, > then replace them with double quotes before you execute your script (a > variation of #2 above is shown below): > > put "tell application`Finder` & cr & \ > "open folder `Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder`" & cr > & \ > "end tell" into tScript > replace "`" with quote in tScript > do tScript as AppleScript > > 4) Use the format() function to put in quotes (\") and returns (\n) on > the fly (be careful though as you can't use continuation chars with > format IIRC): > > put format("tell application \"Finder\"\n") & \ > format("open folder \"Macintosh > HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder\"\n") & \ > "end tell" into tScript > do tScript as AppleScript > > Personally, I usually use #3 unless it's a one-liner, in which case I > use #4 (if it's not too complex), but to each their own. :-) > > Also with the upcoming Rev 2.9 having the ability to do "do ... as ... > " supporting VBScript and JavaScript (on Windows), > having a good way to handle other scripting languages is important, > IMHO. > > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mark at maseurope.net Thu Dec 13 13:13:31 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:13:31 +0000 Subject: (no subject) In-Reply-To: References: <20071211184459.ZBHZ6099.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <490847BE-D138-4733-9DBB-D79E4C9463A5@maseurope.net> Or, following Ken Ray, I just have function q and function sq -- for single quotes, which can be handy for shell scripts Best, Mark On 13 Dec 2007, at 17:58, Dave wrote: > I find this function REALLY useful for AppleScripting: > > function AddQuotes theString > return quote & theString & quote > end AddQuotes > > All the Best > Dave > > > On 11 Dec 2007, at 18:44, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > >> Thanks Ken, i was using a custom prop and ran it as applescript. >> Works fine. What i still dont understand is why everything went >> unresponsive (the finder) and why it now works... Maddening. >> What might happen tomorrow? >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Ken Ray" >> To: "How to use Revolution" >> Sent: 12/11/2007 8:56 AM >> Subject: Re: (no subject) >> >>> Your AppleScript should look something like this: >>> --3 lines, watch line wraps >>> >>> tell application "Finder" >>> open folder "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" >>> end tell >>> >>> Your Rev script should look like this: >>> --a do statement is single line so you'll need to unwrap this >>> --the tricky bit is quotes and spaces in the right place >>> >>> do "tell application " & quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & "open >>> folder " & >>> quote & "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" & quote & cr >>> & "end >>> tell" as applescript >> >> >> Just FYI, there's a couple of other approaches (some are "best >> practices") when executing AppleScript from Rev... >> >> 1) Put the script into a custom property or field and execute it >> (although I wouldn't recommend fields for a variety of reasons): >> >> do (the openFolderScript of this stack) as AppleScript >> >> 2) If you need to do it inline, use the \ line continuation >> feature to >> help make your code more readable: >> >> put "Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder" into tFolder >> put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & \ >> "open folder" && quote & tFolder & quote & cr & \ >> "end tell" into tScript >> do tScript as AppleScript >> >> 3) Use backquotes (`) for quotation marks while building your script, >> then replace them with double quotes before you execute your >> script (a >> variation of #2 above is shown below): >> >> put "tell application`Finder` & cr & \ >> "open folder `Macintosh HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder`" & >> cr & \ >> "end tell" into tScript >> replace "`" with quote in tScript >> do tScript as AppleScript >> >> 4) Use the format() function to put in quotes (\") and returns >> (\n) on >> the fly (be careful though as you can't use continuation chars with >> format IIRC): >> >> put format("tell application \"Finder\"\n") & \ >> format("open folder \"Macintosh >> HD:Users:MeUser:Desktop:myFolder\"\n") & \ >> "end tell" into tScript >> do tScript as AppleScript >> >> Personally, I usually use #3 unless it's a one-liner, in which case I >> use #4 (if it's not too complex), but to each their own. :-) >> >> Also with the upcoming Rev 2.9 having the ability to do "do ... >> as ... >> " supporting VBScript and JavaScript (on Windows), >> having a good way to handle other scripting languages is important, >> IMHO. >> >> >> Ken Ray >> Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. >> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com >> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From wjm at wjm.org Thu Dec 13 13:19:08 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:19:08 -0500 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! References: <695939.36592.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <476076F2.8020609@anachreon.co.uk> <31970CCB-C6F3-4878-9B2A-0861630C04BC@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: Luis wrote... > It's all a bit weird getting all these freebies, feels like a fund > raising event... What marketing campaign isn't? :) If you want to look at it that way, by all means do purchase, so as to encourage more development of great add-ons to Revolution. Really, though we're simply trying to raise awareness of the products offered in RevSelect at the same time we give more customers an opportunity to more easily create higher-quality solutions. From userev at canelasoftware.com Thu Dec 13 14:02:51 2007 From: userev at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:02:51 -0800 Subject: Generating custom windowshapes within Rev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 12, 2007, at 4:43 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Finally, I hate to throw out vaporware promises, but one of the > tools in > development over here will allow for easy construction of custom > windows > natively within Rev, complete with shading and rendered appearances. Hmmm... can't wait to see it. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Software http://www.canelasoftware.com From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Thu Dec 13 14:07:57 2007 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:07:57 -0600 Subject: Images Miscolored In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0712121959w4ce53d3dh52786a22fbdc1d04@mail.gmail.com> References: <86ae76bb0712121959w4ce53d3dh52786a22fbdc1d04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4761830D.4060407@hyperactivesw.com> Bridger Maxwell wrote: > Hey, > I am experiencing an odd problem with the way some images in my stack > created on Leopard show up on Tiger. Their colors get off. Some grey > images end up with a very distinctive blue tint. I can't quite pinpoint the > cause though. The problem does not happen to all images, but I can't figure > out a pattern. It can be an image referenced by filename, or imported into > the stack. I thought maybe it is only the images I created in Photoshop > CS3, but others display just fine. I wonder if this is due to the png file format, which stores gamma information and displays differently on various machines. Does it only happen with pngs? Does it happen if you save the images as jpg instead? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From mpetrides at earthlink.net Thu Dec 13 14:54:06 2007 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Marian Petrides, M.D.) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:54:06 -0600 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! In-Reply-To: References: <695939.36592.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <476076F2.8020609@anachreon.co.uk> <31970CCB-C6F3-4878-9B2A-0861630C04BC@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: Hey, that's why even though I am still stuck in version 2.1.2 or some such (no time to learn about features of newer versions), I renew my license every year and why I jumped at the chance to renew now and get this package! Merry Christmas, all!! On Dec 13, 2007, at 12:19 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: > If you want to look at it that way, by all > means do purchase, so as to encourage more development of great add- > ons to > Revolution. From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Dec 13 14:58:28 2007 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 11:58:28 -0800 Subject: Rdp (was) just a test - please ignore References: <461789.34028.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <81eb34c40712130738q6d7e472w56b7c746e30d63c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Xavier- (continuing to 'ignore' the ignore request) I don't recall at the moment what the rdp bug issue was, but I just launched 2.9-dp2 via an rdp session and ran several test stacks through debugging sessions, all without problems visual or functional. XP and (ugh) Vista Biz. I hope this is good news. oh... and glad you found your way back... -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Dec 13 15:12:22 2007 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:12:22 -0800 Subject: Rev Holiday Bundle - Holy Cow, Batman! References: <200712121713.55802.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk><151977873218.20071212212418@ahsoftware.net> Message-ID: Jerry- > We are in the process of getting our GLX2 support team set up on Linux OK - we'll reset this back to rumor level then. Rumor has it that GLX2 runs without problems on my Kubuntu linux system. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Thu Dec 13 15:22:25 2007 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:22:25 -0800 Subject: Invoke Windows Mail client on Vista References: <4760A875.1030103@hindu.org> Message-ID: Sivakatirswami- > Is there a better way for Windows? revMail user at address.domain works for me on Vista. -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com Thu Dec 13 15:36:48 2007 From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:36:48 -0600 Subject: Invoke Windows Mail client on Vista In-Reply-To: <4760A875.1030103@hindu.org> References: <4760A875.1030103@hindu.org> Message-ID: <476197E0.4050608@dreamscapesoftware.com> Sivakatirswami, You should be aware of the fact that revGoURL will not respect the default Email or Web Client on Windows Vista. This is due to Microsoft changing the location of the "true" default program within the Registry. You can, however, update the revGoURL command to respect this change if you are up to modifying the IDE on your own. A complete fix is available at: http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5286#c2 Otherwise what will happen is the New Message window will open in Windows Mail regardless of whether or not the user has Mozilla Thunderbird, Eudora or any other client set as the default. Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com ___________________________________________________________________ Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ Sivakatirswami wrote: > ON mouseup > revGoURL "mailto: letters at hindu.org" > hideWebLinksPanel > END mouseup > > is working on Mac OSX-Leopard but not on Vista? > > Is there a better way for Windows? > > tks > > Sivakatirswami > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From hershf at rgllc.us Thu Dec 13 16:16:03 2007 From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 16:16:03 -0500 Subject: Cgi frames wondering In-Reply-To: <4CA79378-AFB0-409C-B82F-9E34E950C5ED@lacscentre.co.uk> Message-ID: On 12/12/07 6:40 PM, "Dave Cragg" wrote: >> > > Just a guess. The src of the frames is a relative url. (e.g > frame1.html). Where do you have these files? if they are in the cgi- > bin folder, I don't think the browser wil be able to retrieve them > directly. What happens if you put the frame src files in the html > document tree, and set the src to the full url. (http://etc/frame1.html) First of all thanks, Then I tried it and doesn't work anyhow "http://127.0.0.1/cgi-bin/frame2.html" second it does work with everything else excluding frames meaning works fine doing the tutorial from hyperlynk. Hershel > > Cheers > Dave > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From xavier.bury at googlemail.com Thu Dec 13 16:56:38 2007 From: xavier.bury at googlemail.com (Xavier Bury) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:56:38 +0100 Subject: Rdp (was) just a test - please ignore In-Reply-To: References: <461789.34028.qm@web37510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <81eb34c40712130738q6d7e472w56b7c746e30d63c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <81eb34c40712131356n42b93b23rb25a4abed465dc4d@mail.gmail.com> Hey Mark, Thanks for igonring this post :) Neither did i ever lost it... The RDP bug was, as far as i can tell, a palette type bug... Plagued MC and RR until 2.9... The bug was that no colors really matched what you had designed out of RDP/Citrix screens (usually with less bit depth than on a normal PC screen). In 2.7 or rather 2.8 the white bg fields would be black bg'ed with black text on them... As of 2.9 dp1, it is fixed... So on we go with RR! You just can't stop the revolution ;) On Dec 13, 2007 8:58 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Xavier- > > (continuing to 'ignore' the ignore request) > > I don't recall at the moment what the rdp bug issue was, but I just > launched > 2.9-dp2 via an rdp session and ran several test stacks through debugging > sessions, all without problems visual or functional. XP and (ugh) Vista > Biz. > I hope this is good news. > > oh... and glad you found your way back... > > -- > Mark Wieder > mwieder at ahsoftware.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Thu Dec 13 18:51:45 2007 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:51:45 +0000 Subject: Cgi frames wondering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 13 Dec 2007, at 21:16, Hershel Fisch wrote: > > First of all thanks, > Then I tried it and doesn't work anyhow > "http://127.0.0.1/cgi-bin/frame2.html" I meant something like this: src="http://127.0.0.1/frame2.html" And place the "frame2.html" file in the html document tree, "not" the cgi-bin folder. Cheers Dave > second it does work with everything else excluding frames meaning > works fine > doing the tutorial from hyperlynk. > Hershel >> >> Cheers >> Dave >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From hershf at rgllc.us Thu Dec 13 20:20:39 2007 From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:20:39 -0500 Subject: Cgi frames wondering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/13/07 6:51 PM, "Dave Cragg" wrote: > > > I meant something like this: > > src="http://127.0.0.1/frame2.html" I can't figure it out. U the example from the tutorial and added the background to the body and ??????? Tip of the Day
A random tip served by a Revolution CGI:

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If I just open it up with a browser it works, doing it with rev cgi not, meaning the background doesn't show up. And with a browser I don't need the path. May be this not the way to set the path? I added put the defaultFolder and this is what the browser returned. "/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables" Thans, Hershel > > And place the "frame2.html" file in the html document tree, "not" the > cgi-bin folder. > > Cheers > Dave > >> second it does work with everything else excluding frames meaning >> works fine >> doing the tutorial from hyperlynk. >> Hershel >>> >>> Cheers >>> Dave >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription >>> preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Dec 13 20:38:27 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 02:38:27 +0100 Subject: just a test - please ignore References: <81eb34c40712130513s59ab5e07u86ddba0420a99d04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ignore this one too, please :-) -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Thu Dec 13 22:29:52 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:29:52 -0800 Subject: Cgi frames wondering In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > does not look like a valid file location to me. Hope this helps Jim Ault Las Vegas On 12/13/07 5:20 PM, "Hershel Fisch" wrote: > On 12/13/07 6:51 PM, "Dave Cragg" wrote: > I can't figure it out. > U the example from the tutorial and added the background to the body > and ??????? > > > > Tip of the Day > > >
> A random tip served by a Revolution CGI: >

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> > > > If I just open it up with a browser it works, doing it with rev cgi not, > meaning the background doesn't show up. > And with a browser I don't need the path. > May be this not the way to set the path? I added put the defaultFolder and > this is what the browser returned. > "/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables" > > Thans, Hershel >> >> And place the "frame2.html" file in the html document tree, "not" the >> cgi-bin folder. >> >> Cheers >> Dave >> >>> second it does work with everything else excluding frames meaning >>> works fine >>> doing the tutorial from hyperlynk. >>> Hershel >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Dave >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription >>>> preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From pmbrig at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 22:38:02 2007 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:38:02 -0500 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 51, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: <20071213180005.7E200489E5C@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071213180005.7E200489E5C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On Dec 13, 2007, at 1:00 PM "J. Landman Gay" , wrote: > Peter Brigham wrote: > >> (I don't want a bunch of buttons just inside >> the top of the window rect, I want the usual Windows menu placement.) >> Does it choose whatever button group is visible, as long as it >> contains >> at least one "pulldown" style button? Does the group have to be at >> the >> top of the stack window? Do you have to specify in the Standalone >> Builder somewhere in the Windows preferences which button group to >> use >> as the menu for the window? In short, how do it know, in Windows??? >> Please would someone explain, in small words. > > Rev doesn't "know" per se that you have a menu bar on a Windows stack > (except in the case of Vista, as Ken mentioned, where setting the > menubar will apply the Vista colors and behaviors to the menus.) The > menu group really does sit at the top of the card, just under the > window > frame. If you position the mouse just under the menu bar and ask > for the > mouseV, you won't get "0" (which is what you'd get if the menubar were > outside the window), you get the height of the menubar group instead. > The menu takes up space on the card, and is part of the card contents. > > Rev doesn't move the menu group on Windows OS or pay any attention to > its position. You could easily place a menu group in the center of the > card, and it would stay there. If you want standard Windows placement, > put the menu group at the top of the card (which is where Rev > positions > it when you use the Menu Builder.) The colors you choose for the > background and borders of the group can make the menu bar appear to be > part of the window frame if you like. > > Menus on Windows aren't particularly special; they are just regular > groups with a bunch of pulldown buttons, and they stay where you put > them. Rev doesn't "choose" a menu group; you could theoretically > line up > several on the same card and Rev wouldn't care. So to make it look like a standard Window app, I should place the button group at the top of the window and put a gray/tan rectangular graphic behind it, spanning the width of the card, below the titlebar? And hide the graphic for the Mac version? Or will it be hidden anyway when the top 20 pixels (or whatever) is clipped for the Mac build? Sorry if these are naive questions but I'm clueless about Windows and I'm trying to build my first standalone, I want it to look at least semi-professional.... -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ -- It's bad when you don't see the solution. It's worse when you don't see the problem. From bvlahos at mac.com Thu Dec 13 23:29:10 2007 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:29:10 -0800 Subject: File extensions for Windows In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712130104t748538cej94f816e48f251e77@mail.gmail.com> References: <7aa52a210712130104t748538cej94f816e48f251e77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Chipp, Thanks for the info. I've never modified the Registry. Is there an easy way to do the single task I want? Bill On Dec 13, 2007, at 1:04 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Bill, > > You need to edit the registry on the users computer to create a link > between your application and it's files. > > -Chipp > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bridgeyman at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 23:40:59 2007 From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 20:40:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: Images Miscolored In-Reply-To: <4761830D.4060407@hyperactivesw.com> References: <86ae76bb0712121959w4ce53d3dh52786a22fbdc1d04@mail.gmail.com> <4761830D.4060407@hyperactivesw.com> Message-ID: A friend of mine cooked up a fix. He created an automator action that will change all the files from png to jpg by making a new jpg image and pasting the png into it. Apparently, when simply saving the png to a jpg (from Preview) it does not solve the problem. This is definitely a Revolution problem, because the images display just fine in every other program, but I don't even know how to submit a bug like this when I am not sure what causes it or exactly why the fix works. Can anyone give me a hint on this? TTFN Bridger On Dec 13, 12:07 pm, "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > BridgerMaxwell wrote: > > Hey, > > I am experiencing an odd problem with the way some images in my stack > > created on Leopard show up on Tiger. Their colors get off. Some grey > > images end up with a very distinctive blue tint. I can't quite pinpoint the > > cause though. The problem does not happen to all images, but I can't figure > > out a pattern. It can be an image referenced by filename, or imported into > > the stack. I thought maybe it is only the images I created in Photoshop > > CS3, but others display just fine. > > I wonder if this is due to the png file format, which stores gamma > information and displays differently on various machines. Does it only > happen with pngs? Does it happen if you save the images as jpg instead? > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac... at hyperactivesw.com > HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolut... at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bridgeyman at gmail.com Thu Dec 13 23:47:33 2007 From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 21:47:33 -0700 Subject: Linux Revolution Executable Message-ID: <86ae76bb0712132047l4b817b50obc87621e47318c10@mail.gmail.com> Hey, I am feeling really slow right now, but I can't find the executable for the Revolution 2.9 db2. I downloaded the zip file and unpacked it, and it looks just like my OS X install, except the lack of anything named "Revolution" that I can launch. Am I missing something obvious? I feel silly even asking this question. Her is the list of files and folders in the folder: Documentation IDE Change Log.txt Resources Toolset Engine Change Log.txt Plugins Runtime Whats_New.txt Externals Read_Me_First.txt Supporting Materials TTFN Bridger Maxwell From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 14 00:51:11 2007 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:51:11 +0000 Subject: Linux Revolution Executable Message-ID: <200712140551.11605.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Downloaded it a week or so back, and there is the usual Revolution 2.5mb in the 2.9 dp2 folder, click on it and it runs. So it definitely was there and working not long ago. Peter From bridgeyman at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 01:03:39 2007 From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:03:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Linux Revolution Executable In-Reply-To: <200712140551.11605.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200712140551.11605.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Hmm, very odd. I wonder why the executable was removed. Hopefully it was an accident, and will be fixed soon. I just checked the previous beta, and it is how I expected it to be. I sure hop I am not overlooking something obvious. TTFN Bridger Maxwell On Dec 13, 10:51 pm, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Downloaded it a week or so back, and there is the usual Revolution 2.5mb in > the 2.9 dp2 folder, click on it and it runs. So it definitely was there and > working not long ago. > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolut... at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bridgeyman at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 01:12:20 2007 From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell) Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:12:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Linux Revolution Executable In-Reply-To: <200712140551.11605.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200712140551.11605.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <905daa5f-5599-4f95-9a03-fc6e16bd199b@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Well, never mind. For some reason, it just wasn't turning up on the Ubuntu system. Unzipping it from a Windows machine and carrying it over on a flash drive worked. How odd. I wonder if it could be a safety "feature" because the file was downloaded. On Dec 13, 10:51 pm, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Downloaded it a week or so back, and there is the usual Revolution 2.5mb in > the 2.9 dp2 folder, click on it and it runs. So it definitely was there and > working not long ago. > > Peter > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolut... at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Fri Dec 14 01:19:00 2007 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:19:00 -0600 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 51, Issue 18 In-Reply-To: References: <20071213180005.7E200489E5C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <47622054.4040206@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Brigham wrote: > So to make it look like a standard Window app, I should place the button > group at the top of the window and put a gray/tan rectangular graphic > behind it, spanning the width of the card, below the titlebar? And hide > the graphic for the Mac version? Or will it be hidden anyway when the > top 20 pixels (or whatever) is clipped for the Mac build? Right, put the group at the top of the card. I wouldn't add an extra graphic, I'd just set the backcolor of the group itself, which is easier and avoids creating an extra object. But if you did add a graphic, it should scroll out of sight as you'd expect. But, if the backcolor of the stack is empty, the stack will use the Windows UI colors by default. If you also leave the menu group's backcolor empty, it will pick up the UI colors too. That's what I usually do if the stack design allows it. If your stack is resizeable and you've set the group's border to show, you may want to add a "resizeStack" handler to the menu group script that sets the width of the group to the width of the card. Then when your stack is resized, the menu group will expand to fit the new width so that the border extends all the way across. Pass the message at the end of the handler so your stack script can catch it. If the group's showborder property is false or the stack isn't resizeable, this isn't necessary. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 14 01:24:43 2007 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 06:24:43 +0000 Subject: Quartam and Galaxy on Linux Message-ID: <200712140624.43425.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> How do you try Quartam under Linux? Downloaded the exe file, but cannot seem to unpack it with Ark. It looks like it installs under Wine, but that's no-one's idea of fun. So if you want to try it under 2.9 beta for Linux, what do you do? Also, it would be really nice to be able to try Galaxy before getting committed - as a classic Linux user, support is not real high on my list of priorities, if it runs that will be fine, even if there's no official support. But I'd like to see it running. Is there a trial version someplace? Peter From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl Fri Dec 14 02:13:25 2007 From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:13:25 +0100 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <20071207180004.806F6489D3C@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071207180004.806F6489D3C@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <6F1A6BE1-04DA-42FF-ACAB-5CA60865B732@de-mare.nl> Hi there, It has been a while since my last post, but I still a RunRev fan. My other passion is painting. And I get a lot of requests for caricatures lately. With familiar faces it is easy to see what is less perfect. But it is really hard to analyse a face if I only have one photo and I never seen the person in real life. So my plan is to do an analysis with the help of my computer to see what the ugly sides are to emphasise those. Marquardt has made a mask to apply to a frontal picture of a face. The better the mask fits, the more beautiful a face is. Read all about it on http://www.beautyanalysis.com if you're interested. So I want to make a program that imports a picture and puts some key points of Marquardts mask on top of it. Those points can be dragged to a position to match the picture better. It then calculates the difference between where it is and where it should be, in order to multiply the difference. So far this is all easily doable with RunRev. But here comes the challenge. It should slice up the picture in triangles or rectangles and distort them. Is this possible in RunRev? If not, is the data exportable to any other program that can do this? I know PhotoShop has an ability 'liquify' an image. This filter can handle exported liquify meshes. But the contend of such a mesh is not readable by humans. Volker Blanz and Thomas Vetter made a computer program to do that (and much more) in 3D. Too bad it is not for sale. But it proves caricatures can be generated by a computer. See http://www.mpi-inf.mpg.de/~blanz/movies/siggraph99.mpg - the part between 0:54 and 1:10 min. But that program is way more than what I want to accomplish. If I just can slice up a 2D image and distort each part programmatically, I would be totally happy. Any suggestions on how to distort an image with RunRev? Terry From randall at randallreetz.com Fri Dec 14 03:04:20 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:04:20 -0800 Subject: Caricature challenge Message-ID: <20071214080422.CUIJ25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> I use polygons (in supercard) and then put images as rectangles (grabbed from the rect that bounds them) into them and then stretch the polygons. Does a pretty good fake of stetching the source. Try it! I am sure rev has this stuff too. Think of your faces as a bunch of points... The polys are just the triangles etc. between these points. i've done mesh distortion filters this way. Works great. randall -----Original Message----- From: "Terry Vogelaar" To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Sent: 12/13/2007 11:13 PM Subject: Caricature challenge Hi there, It has been a while since my last post, but I still a RunRev fan. My other passion is painting. And I get a lot of requests for caricatures lately. With familiar faces it is easy to see what is less perfect. But it is really hard to analyse a face if I only have one photo and I never seen the person in real life. So my plan is to do an analysis with the help of my computer to see what the ugly sides are to emphasise those. Marquardt has made a mask to apply to a frontal picture of a face. The better the mask fits, the more beautiful a face is. Read all about it on http://www.beautyanalysis.com if you're interested. So I want to make a program that imports a picture and puts some key points of Marquardts mask on top of it. Those points can be dragged to a position to match the picture better. It then calculates the difference between where it is and where it should be, in order to multiply the difference. So far this is all easily doable with RunRev. But here comes the challenge. It should slice up the picture in triangles or rectangles and distort them. Is this possible in RunRev? If not, is the data exportable to any other program that can do this? I know PhotoShop has an ability 'liquify' an image. This filter can handle exported liquify meshes. But the contend of such a mesh is not readable by humans. Volker Blanz and Thomas Vetter made a computer program to do that (and much more) in 3D. Too bad it is not for sale. But it proves caricatures can be generated by a computer. See http://www.mpi-inf.mpg.de/~blanz/movies/siggraph99.mpg - the part between 0:54 and 1:10 min. But that program is way more than what I want to accomplish. If I just can slice up a 2D image and distort each part programmatically, I would be totally happy. Any suggestions on how to distort an image with RunRev? Terry _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From runrevron at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 03:18:10 2007 From: runrevron at gmail.com (Ron) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:18:10 +0900 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <2567EFAA-A3C3-4A23-926C-2C665CDC2015@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com> <081EFB6F-48EF-4562-A602-0E4D9B80E9CE@sosmartsoftware.com> <792F9AE4-81CF-46FE-993F-BA7A57AF5133@looktowindward.com> <2567EFAA-A3C3-4A23-926C-2C665CDC2015@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: I'm joining this discussion a little late, it looks like everything has been said but a short time ago I posted a question about multiple menubars on windows too and got a different conclusion. In my case, there are 2 or 3 menubars on each window. However, each is for a different language so only one is displayed at a time, depending on the user's language setting. This cannot be changed while running the app so there is only one menubar and it stays the same. So, I agree with the don't change menubars while the app is running. However, when I tried to manipulate the menus, enable/disable, and respond to accelerator keys, the proper menubar did not always get the command. I tried changing the layering but still had problems. When I set the menubar to Japanesemenu or Englishmenu then the problem went away. This is on Windows, not Mac and that is why I wrote my question. Setting the menubar is only a Mac command but it seemed to make a difference on the Windows platform when 2 menubars were present on the same window. I would love it if someone confirmed or explained this to me. Thanks Ron On Dec 12, 2007, at 11:42 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote: > Hi Dave, > > Le 12 d?c. 07 ? 15:32, Dave a ?crit : > >> Hi, >> >> Ok, I understand this a bit better now, but one thing still >> confuses me. How does it know that the Menubar group is a Menubar >> group and not some other group with button in it? > > Any group that contains at least a button the style of which is > "pulldown" is considered by Rev as a 'possible' menu bar. > >> I understand I can create as many Menubars as are needed and hide/ >> show them etc. But how does it know which one to use? What if >> there is more than one visible Menubar? > > Rev does not mind which menu bar to use on Windows: > It's up to you to manage this and to show one menu bar only at a > time :-) > On Win, the menu bar is a group of Rev buttons and as any other > control, you can show or hide it. > As a menubar group is opaque, it depends also on the layering. > > Best regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ > Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From scott at tactilemedia.com Fri Dec 14 03:22:01 2007 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:22:01 -0800 Subject: Images Miscolored In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Recently, Bridger Maxwell wrote: > A friend of mine cooked up a fix. He created an automator action that > will change all the files from png to jpg by making a new jpg image > and pasting the png into it. Apparently, when simply saving the png > to a jpg (from Preview) it does not solve the problem. This is > definitely a Revolution problem, because the images display just fine > in every other program, but I don't even know how to submit a bug like > this when I am not sure what causes it or exactly why the fix works. > Can anyone give me a hint on this? As Jacque explained, it probably has to do with the reading (or lack thereof) of gamma information in the file. FWIW, you might want to see this post from September: http://www.nabble.com/-Not-Quite-OT---Possible-Fix-for-PNG-Color-Shift-to125 11893.html#a12511893 Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From chipp at chipp.com Fri Dec 14 04:02:35 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 03:02:35 -0600 Subject: File extensions for Windows In-Reply-To: References: <7aa52a210712130104t748538cej94f816e48f251e77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712140102s29d0c419i51d4cda89b2b7c36@mail.gmail.com> Bill, I believe Ken Ray has some tips at his www.sonsothunder.com website on how to do this. best, Chipp From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Fri Dec 14 04:04:24 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 10:04:24 +0100 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: References: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com> <081EFB6F-48EF-4562-A602-0E4D9B80E9CE@sosmartsoftware.com> <792F9AE4-81CF-46FE-993F-BA7A57AF5133@looktowindward.com> <2567EFAA-A3C3-4A23-926C-2C665CDC2015@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <1B5EF579-F338-4877-BE2F-FB0FECD3F313@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Ron, Le 14 d?c. 07 ? 09:18, Ron a ?crit : > I'm joining this discussion a little late, it looks like everything > has been said but a short time ago I posted a question about > multiple menubars on windows too and got a different conclusion. > > In my case, there are 2 or 3 menubars on each window. However, each > is for a different language so only one is displayed at a time, > depending on the user's language setting. This cannot be changed > while running the app so there is only one menubar and it stays the > same. So, I agree with the don't change menubars while the app is > running. > > However, when I tried to manipulate the menus, enable/disable, and > respond to accelerator keys, the proper menubar did not always get > the command. I tried changing the layering but still had problems. > When I set the menubar to Japanesemenu or Englishmenu then the > problem went away. This is on Windows, not Mac and that is why I > wrote my question. Setting the menubar is only a Mac command but it > seemed to make a difference on the Windows platform when 2 menubars > were present on the same window. I would love it if someone > confirmed or explained this to me. > > Thanks > Ron When using multiple menu bars on Windows (and it's a good idea for multilingual projects :-), mnemonics are a problem because even if the menu bar group is hidden, mnemonics go on working: to prevent this just disable all hidden menu bars groups (those that are not currently used). As for enabling/disabling a menu item, and it's the same for check- marking, etc., prefer to modify the text of the menu button instead of using the enable/disable command: it's completely reliable. put the text of btn "Tools" into tMenu if '(' is not in line 3 of tMenu then put "(" before line 3 of tMenu -- other manipulation stuff set the text of btn "Tools" to tMenu Usually you will insert this kind of code in a mouseDown handler. Even using older computers, you'll see it's really fast and don't affect reactivity with hundreds of lines of code executed at mouseDown ;-) Another way of working is to store the 'raw' menu (no check-marks, no disabled items) into a custom prop for instance and just disable or check-mark the items that need it at mouseDown: put the uToolsMenu["EN"] of this stack into tMenu put "(" before line 3 of tMenu -- other manipulation stuff set the text of btn "Tools" to tMenu About setting the menubar to on Windows when there are more than one menu bar: YES it's necessary with Vista to get the right look and feel. In addition, still with Vista, resize the width of menu bar groups according to the width of the card to get a correct result. Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Dec 14 05:45:04 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 18:45:04 +0800 Subject: Using the "do" command In-Reply-To: References: <20071212133654.6E6F3489CA5@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: On Dec 13, 2007 12:19 AM, Dan Friedman wrote: All I get is "execution error". My guess is the problem is the > "Wscript.Echo" command. But, how do you get a variable/parameter to > return > using VBScript? > Definitely not an expert with Win or VBScript, but from my readings of the Rev docs I believe 'do' only works for Rev statements or Apple recognised scripting languages - which counts VBScript out. I seem to recall recently in another post someone mentioning that VBScript will work in do statements with Rev 2.9. I think, until 2.9 comes, you might need to have a look at the 'shell' command. HTH From tkuypers at dmp-int.com Fri Dec 14 06:20:16 2007 From: tkuypers at dmp-int.com (Ton Kuypers) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 12:20:16 +0100 Subject: Using the "do" command In-Reply-To: References: <20071212133654.6E6F3489CA5@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <787AD92E-45FA-42DA-81AA-FA473D4F9C9F@dmp-int.com> VBscript in 2.9: the return has to be put in the variable "result" do "result = 1 + 1" as "vbscript" answer the result And this works :-) Warm regards, Ton Kuypers Digital Media Partners bvba Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 http://www.dmp-int.com On 14-dec-07, at 11:45, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Dec 13, 2007 12:19 AM, Dan Friedman > wrote: > > All I get is "execution error". My guess is the problem is the >> "Wscript.Echo" command. But, how do you get a variable/parameter to >> return >> using VBScript? >> > > Definitely not an expert with Win or VBScript, but from my readings > of the > Rev docs I believe 'do' only works for Rev statements or Apple > recognised > scripting languages - which counts VBScript out. I seem to recall > recently > in another post someone mentioning that VBScript will work in do > statements > with Rev 2.9. > > I think, until 2.9 comes, you might need to have a look at the 'shell' > command. > > HTH > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From gregory.lypny at videotron.ca Fri Dec 14 07:56:04 2007 From: gregory.lypny at videotron.ca (Gregory Lypny) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:56:04 -0500 Subject: Date Conversion Problem - Another Kick at the Cat In-Reply-To: <20071212180005.49C7E489D31@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071212180005.49C7E489D31@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hello everyone, I sent out this question the other day but no takers. Hoping someone might have an answer. Regards, Gregory On Wed, Dec 12, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote: > Hello everyone, > > A date conversion problem has cropped up in one of my stacks. I have > a handler that starts with > > set useSysemDate to true > > I'm processing tab-delimited text files, so later in the handler I > have the line > > convert the fourth item of aData[theDate] to abbrev English date > > Now, the dates in the text file are in short format, dd/mm/yyyy, e.g., > 10/12/2007 for Monday, December 10th, and I'm converting them to my > system's medium format in Leopard, which is Mon, Dec 10, 2007, but > what I'm getting is the incorrect date because it is coming out in > American format, mm/dd/yyyy or Fri, Oct 12, 2007. > > Is this a Leopard problem? Because I never had it before I upgraded. > Dates are critical to my work, so any suggestions would be most > appreciated. > > Incidentally, I'm using Revolution 2.8.1 Build 470 and Leopard 10.5.1 > on an Intel iMac. > > Regards, > > Gregory From mark at maseurope.net Fri Dec 14 08:01:15 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:01:15 +0000 Subject: Images Miscolored In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's a function that should strip the gamma-correction out of a file. I can't see any before and after difference in the files I've tried it on, but maybe it could help. Also, be sure to try it on copies of your prcious files, as it over-writes the file it works on... on stripGC pFile --check for the 'magic bytes' to make sure it's a .png repeat for each item i in "137,80,78,71,13,10,26,10" put numtochar(i) after magicStr end repeat put url ("binfile:" & pFile) into pngData if char 1 to 8 of pngData is not magicStr then exit stripGC -- find the gamma correction chunk set the casesensitive to true put offset("gAMA", pngData) - 4 into chunkStart if chunkStart = 0 then exit stripGC -- stop if it isn't there put empty into chunkDataLength get binarydecode("M",char chunkStart to chunkStart + 3 of pngData, chunkDataLength) delete char chunkStart to (chunkStart + chunkDataLength + 11) of pngData put pngData into url ("binfile:" & pFile) end stripGC best, Mark On 14 Dec 2007, at 08:22, Scott Rossi wrote: > Recently, Bridger Maxwell wrote: > >> A friend of mine cooked up a fix. He created an automator action >> that >> will change all the files from png to jpg by making a new jpg image >> and pasting the png into it. Apparently, when simply saving the png >> to a jpg (from Preview) it does not solve the problem. This is >> definitely a Revolution problem, because the images display just fine >> in every other program, but I don't even know how to submit a bug >> like >> this when I am not sure what causes it or exactly why the fix works. >> Can anyone give me a hint on this? > > As Jacque explained, it probably has to do with the reading (or lack > thereof) of gamma information in the file. > > FWIW, you might want to see this post from September: > > http://www.nabble.com/-Not-Quite-OT---Possible-Fix-for-PNG-Color- > Shift-to125 > 11893.html#a12511893 > > Regards, > > Scott Rossi > Creative Director > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From kevin at stallibrass.com Fri Dec 14 08:02:52 2007 From: kevin at stallibrass.com (Kevin Stallibrass) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:02:52 -0000 Subject: Help - Windows process won't quit Message-ID: <002301c83e51$a33cc100$e9b64300$@com> Hi, I've build a standalone which simply adds a new line of text to a file located on an ftp site, then displays the entire file in a text box. It works fine but when I close the application, windows holds on to the process and I have to force quit it via task manager. The problem only happens if an upload has been made so I presume that a something is being left open somewhere - I just can't find it! Here's what I'm doing.. put cr & the short date && cutInternetTime & tab & fld "name" & tab & newCtemp & tab & fld "one" & tab & fld "two" & tab & fld "three" &tab & fld "four" & tab & fld "five" into urlData put "ftp://myftp:" & fld "password" & "@ftp.myftp.co.uk/htdocs/log/myfile.txt" into myURL put urlData after URL myURL put URL "http://www.myWeb/log/onyxlogfile.txt" into fld "table" Any light you can shed on this would be gratefully received as I'm running out of hair Regards Kevin Stallibrass From len-morgan at crcom.net Fri Dec 14 08:07:00 2007 From: len-morgan at crcom.net (Len Morgan) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 07:07:00 -0600 Subject: Date Conversion Problem - Another Kick at the Cat In-Reply-To: References: <20071212180005.49C7E489D31@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <47627FF4.20808@crcom.net> I beg to differ with you but you got AT LEAST two responses with workable solutions. Are you sure you haven't got some sort of spam filter on that is preventing you from seeing the responses? Len Morgan Gregory Lypny wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I sent out this question the other day but no takers. Hoping someone > might have an answer. > > Regards, > > Gregory > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> A date conversion problem has cropped up in one of my stacks. I have >> a handler that starts with >> >> set useSysemDate to true >> >> I'm processing tab-delimited text files, so later in the handler I >> have the line >> >> convert the fourth item of aData[theDate] to abbrev English date >> >> Now, the dates in the text file are in short format, dd/mm/yyyy, e.g., >> 10/12/2007 for Monday, December 10th, and I'm converting them to my >> system's medium format in Leopard, which is Mon, Dec 10, 2007, but >> what I'm getting is the incorrect date because it is coming out in >> American format, mm/dd/yyyy or Fri, Oct 12, 2007. >> >> Is this a Leopard problem? Because I never had it before I upgraded. >> Dates are critical to my work, so any suggestions would be most >> appreciated. >> >> Incidentally, I'm using Revolution 2.8.1 Build 470 and Leopard 10.5.1 >> on an Intel iMac. >> >> Regards, >> >> Gregory > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From mark at maseurope.net Fri Dec 14 08:23:36 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 13:23:36 +0000 Subject: Date Conversion Problem - Another Kick at the Cat In-Reply-To: References: <20071212180005.49C7E489D31@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Gregory, if your system is set to use US dates (mm/dd/yy) then that'll be the format for rev's 'short system date'. If you have a look at the 'formats' tab in the 'international' system preferences, you'll see what your system is currently set to. So if you know that the dates in your file are in the "dd/mm/yy" format, and your system setting is for "mm/d/yy" you'll probably have to swap the d and m fields yourself, before converting them to what you want. So you could have this function in your app. function convertDate pDate set the itemdelimiter to "/" put item 2 of pDate & "/" & item 1 of pDate & "/" item 3 of pDate into nDate convert nDate to abbrev english date return nDate end convertDate Best, Mark On 14 Dec 2007, at 12:56, Gregory Lypny wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I sent out this question the other day but no takers. Hoping > someone might have an answer. > > Regards, > > Gregory > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> A date conversion problem has cropped up in one of my stacks. I have >> a handler that starts with >> >> set useSysemDate to true >> >> I'm processing tab-delimited text files, so later in the handler I >> have the line >> >> convert the fourth item of aData[theDate] to abbrev English date >> >> Now, the dates in the text file are in short format, dd/mm/yyyy, >> e.g., >> 10/12/2007 for Monday, December 10th, and I'm converting them to my >> system's medium format in Leopard, which is Mon, Dec 10, 2007, but >> what I'm getting is the incorrect date because it is coming out in >> American format, mm/dd/yyyy or Fri, Oct 12, 2007. >> >> Is this a Leopard problem? Because I never had it before I upgraded. >> Dates are critical to my work, so any suggestions would be most >> appreciated. >> >> Incidentally, I'm using Revolution 2.8.1 Build 470 and Leopard 10.5.1 >> on an Intel iMac. >> >> Regards, >> >> Gregory > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lists at mangomultimedia.com Fri Dec 14 08:31:46 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:31:46 -0500 Subject: Images Miscolored In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B424561-0B20-4DED-BD9A-71EB9BD1BC11@mangomultimedia.com> On Dec 14, 2007, at 8:01 AM, Mark Smith wrote: > Here's a function that should strip the gamma-correction out of a > file. I can't see any before and after difference in the files I've > tried it on, but maybe it could help. Also, be sure to try it on > copies of your prcious files, as it over-writes the file it works > on... Mark, I tried this as well after some posts to the list. After stripping the gAMA tag I haven't seen any differences in color though either. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From lists at mangomultimedia.com Fri Dec 14 08:34:39 2007 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:34:39 -0500 Subject: Images Miscolored In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0712121959w4ce53d3dh52786a22fbdc1d04@mail.gmail.com> References: <86ae76bb0712121959w4ce53d3dh52786a22fbdc1d04@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 12, 2007, at 10:59 PM, Bridger Maxwell wrote: > Hey, > I am experiencing an odd problem with the way some images in my stack > created on Leopard show up on Tiger. Their colors get off. Some grey > images end up with a very distinctive blue tint. Are you running on Leopard on an Intel machine by chance? Do your images look something like those at this link? If so this is a known issue in the current version of Rev. Version 2.9 fixes the issue. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems www.bluemangolearning.com - www.screensteps.com From larsbrehmer at mac.com Fri Dec 14 09:04:29 2007 From: larsbrehmer at mac.com (Lars Brehmer) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:04:29 +0200 Subject: hypothetical iPhone question Message-ID: As we get closer to the release of the first iPhone SDK, I have a couple of (probably not too bright) questions. Once the SDK is available, will it be possible for RunRev to somehow adapt Revolution to enable iPhone standalones? Is this even a valid question in the first place? I have been using Rev for years now, but it is the only type of development I do. I have no idea how to use X-code or any other development environment or programming language, but I would be very keen to make simple apps for the iPhone and iPod Touch in the future. Are they any rumours about RunRev getting on this bandwagon in the future? What would it take from Runrev to do this? Is it at all possible to make iPhone apps with Rev as it is now? Just very, very curious! Cheers, Lars From janschenkel at yahoo.com Fri Dec 14 12:33:47 2007 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:33:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: Date Conversion Problem - Another Kick at the Cat In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <298114.95028.qm@web60525.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Gregory, I gues my reply didn't come through then: Hi Gregory, My guess is that the convert command needs a little help here, as it could be either an English date or a system date. If you're sure the data is going to be in system date format, then modify your script to: convert the fourth item of aData[theDate] from system date to abbrev English date Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. -- Quartam Reports & PDF Library for Revolution --- Gregory Lypny wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I sent out this question the other day but no > takers. Hoping someone > might have an answer. > > Regards, > > Gregory > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Gregory Lypny > wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > A date conversion problem has cropped up in one of > my stacks. I have > > a handler that starts with > > > > set useSysemDate to true > > > > I'm processing tab-delimited text files, so later > in the handler I > > have the line > > > > convert the fourth item of aData[theDate] to > abbrev English date > > > > Now, the dates in the text file are in short > format, dd/mm/yyyy, e.g., > > 10/12/2007 for Monday, December 10th, and I'm > converting them to my > > system's medium format in Leopard, which is Mon, > Dec 10, 2007, but > > what I'm getting is the incorrect date because it > is coming out in > > American format, mm/dd/yyyy or Fri, Oct 12, 2007. > > > > Is this a Leopard problem? Because I never had it > before I upgraded. > > Dates are critical to my work, so any suggestions > would be most > > appreciated. > > > > Incidentally, I'm using Revolution 2.8.1 Build 470 > and Leopard 10.5.1 > > on an Intel iMac. > > > > Regards, > > > > Gregory > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and > manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping From janschenkel at yahoo.com Fri Dec 14 12:40:44 2007 From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel) Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 09:40:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Help - Windows process won't quit In-Reply-To: <002301c83e51$a33cc100$e9b64300$@com> Message-ID: <948339.51430.qm@web60522.mail.yahoo.com> --- Kevin Stallibrass wrote: > Hi, > > I've build a standalone which simply adds a new line > of text to a file > located on an ftp site, then displays the entire > file in a text box. > > It works fine but when I close the application, > windows holds on to the > process and I have to force quit it via task > manager. > > [snip] > > Regards > > Kevin Stallibrass > Hi Kevin, Revolution doesn't automatically quit when the alst window is closed, if there are any 'pendingMessages' - these are messages that are put onto the event queue to be executed at a later time: send "TickleMePink" to me in 10 seconds Are you using any 'send in hth >> And place the "frame2.html" file in the html document tree, "not" the >> cgi-bin folder. >> >> Cheers >> Dave >> >> >>> second it does work with everything else excluding frames meaning >>> works fine >>> doing the tutorial from hyperlynk. >>> Hershel >>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Dave >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription >>>> preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From wjm at wjm.org Sat Dec 15 22:53:26 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:53:26 -0500 Subject: Developer Dreams... Random Numbers References: Message-ID: Hey this is great stuff, Mark! Thanks for letting the community know about it. Mark Schonewille wrote... > a simple library that works with Random.org is available for download at > . This is an easy way to > retrieve true random numbers with Revolution. You can find it at the > bottom of the page. From pepetoo at cox.net Sat Dec 15 23:16:16 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:16:16 -0800 Subject: Developer Dreams... Random Numbers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2203676B-4C4D-44FF-A345-81CE7F5770DB@cox.net> I've been under the impression from everything I've seen and read that there is no such thing as a "true" random number, regardless of what language is being used. It just can't be done. That's what the experts in Vegas have to say; I'm pretty sure! Joe Wilkins On Dec 15, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: > Hey this is great stuff, Mark! Thanks for letting the community > know about > it. > > Mark Schonewille wrote... >> a simple library that works with Random.org is available for >> download at >> . This is an easy way to >> retrieve true random numbers with Revolution. You can find it at the >> bottom of the page. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From wjm at wjm.org Sun Dec 16 00:07:36 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:07:36 -0500 Subject: Developer Dreams... Random Numbers References: <2203676B-4C4D-44FF-A345-81CE7F5770DB@cox.net> Message-ID: That is the point of the article... http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/december/issue39/ The random.org site uses variations in atmospheric noise -- an external, physical, unpredictable, and truly random phenomenon -- to generate its numbers. The article describes a simple way to make use of this site within Rev; Mark's library provides a more sophisticated way (that is also friendlier to the service). Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote ... > I've been under the impression from everything I've seen and read that > there is no such thing as a "true" random number, regardless of what > language is being used. It just can't be done. That's what the experts in > Vegas have to say; I'm pretty sure! > > On Dec 15, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: > >> Hey this is great stuff, Mark! Thanks for letting the community know >> about >> it. >> >> Mark Schonewille wrote... >>> a simple library that works with Random.org is available for download >>> at >>> . This is an easy way to >>> retrieve true random numbers with Revolution. You can find it at the >>> bottom of the page. From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Dec 16 00:34:29 2007 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 23:34:29 -0600 Subject: Images Miscolored In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712151736g4004fafdxb6c3cf68f807eb1c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7aa52a210712151736g4004fafdxb6c3cf68f807eb1c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4764B8E5.8070500@hyperactivesw.com> Chipp Walters wrote: > We went through this a few years ago and I then created another stack as > well. Since then, I've pretty much tried not to use PNG's for cross platform > development. But, in some cases, it's necessary...like non-square buttons. > Anyone who figures a way around this should get a"golden pencil" award ;-) I usually just stick to transparent gifs. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From pepetoo at cox.net Sun Dec 16 00:40:30 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:40:30 -0800 Subject: Developer Dreams... Random Numbers In-Reply-To: References: <2203676B-4C4D-44FF-A345-81CE7F5770DB@cox.net> Message-ID: <961B424B-AF74-498E-986B-0C4AC7E54FA2@cox.net> Thanks, Bill. Quite interesting; and, certainly, worth investigating in depth by any who wish to use "random" numbers in their work. Probably still not "really" random; but, using such huge sets from which to draw, probably as close as we'll ever get. Joe Wilkins On Dec 15, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: > That is the point of the article... > > http://www.runrev.com/newsletter/december/issue39/ > > The random.org site uses variations in atmospheric noise -- an > external, > physical, unpredictable, and truly random phenomenon -- to generate > its > numbers. The article describes a simple way to make use of this > site within > Rev; Mark's library provides a more sophisticated way (that is also > friendlier to the service). > > Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote ... >> I've been under the impression from everything I've seen and read >> that >> there is no such thing as a "true" random number, regardless of what >> language is being used. It just can't be done. That's what the >> experts in >> Vegas have to say; I'm pretty sure! >> >> On Dec 15, 2007, at 7:53 PM, Bill Marriott wrote: >> >>> Hey this is great stuff, Mark! Thanks for letting the community >>> know >>> about >>> it. >>> >>> Mark Schonewille wrote... >>>> a simple library that works with Random.org is available for >>>> download >>>> at >>>> . This is an easy >>>> way to >>>> retrieve true random numbers with Revolution. You can find it >>>> at the >>>> bottom of the page. > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From randall at randallreetz.com Sun Dec 16 00:40:30 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 21:40:30 -0800 Subject: Caricature challenge Message-ID: <20071216054033.UUIW10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Really, rev cant apply an image as fill for a polygon? Any workarounds? randall -----Original Message----- From: "Chipp Walters" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 12/15/2007 6:05 PM Subject: Re: Caricature challenge Hi Terry, Wow, excellent link to the beautyanalysis website. Very interesting stuff indeed. Funny how the emphasis on beauty, symmetry and proportion is completely lost regarding the poor design of the website. You would think anyone who has spent THAT amount of time studying beauty would understand the value of an attractive composition for web pages...but I digress. Have to say, the morphable face video is amazing. Clear to me where those folks are leading us. I don't think you'll find any easy way to do this. Rev doesn't have a 'polygon' picture property like SuperCard does. While something like this could probably be done with imagedata, I would think it would be both difficult to code and very slow. Sorry. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Dec 16 05:23:45 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 11:23:45 +0100 Subject: Developer Dreams... Random Numbers In-Reply-To: <961B424B-AF74-498E-986B-0C4AC7E54FA2@cox.net> References: <2203676B-4C4D-44FF-A345-81CE7F5770DB@cox.net> <961B424B-AF74-498E-986B-0C4AC7E54FA2@cox.net> Message-ID: <3D09906F-904D-4760-AA52-10E5DC2D2B60@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Joe, The inability for computers to generate true random numbers is exactly why Random.org exists. The random numbers provided by that server are not generated by a computer but by mother nature. So, yes, Random.org is "really", _really_ and *really* random! Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 16-dec-2007, om 6:40 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende geschreven: > Thanks, Bill. > > Quite interesting; and, certainly, worth investigating in depth by > any who wish to use "random" numbers in their work. Probably still > not "really" random; but, using such huge sets from which to draw, > probably as close as we'll ever get. > > Joe Wilkins > From martinblackman at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 08:11:39 2007 From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:11:39 +0900 Subject: Setting MenuButton on openCard In-Reply-To: <9b408d8e0708070917g3d93c80cp620d587b4ddf8b5a@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e0708070858w432cea81s99cf1e03ffc724d1@mail.gmail.com> <9b408d8e0708070917g3d93c80cp620d587b4ddf8b5a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <79d1bee70712160511g2352f61t9b5a3fe7a32da1e8@mail.gmail.com> A belated reply, but similar issue - I want to let the user create option menus on demand in my program. After creating an option menu button, it displays the name of the button as its label. Then I put some text into the button and try to set the label to line 1 of the text - to no avail, the name of the button sticks in the display. A workaround is to set the label to something else, eg. empty, and then set it back again. My reasoning is that when you set the text of the button initially, it automatically gets the first line as its label but the display doesnt update, then when you set the label to line 1 of the text, it sees this as No Change (No menupick sent) and hence still doesn't update. regards Martin On 08/08/2007, Mikey wrote: > > Devin, > I do, and I shall. > -- > On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth > On the second day, God created the oceans. > On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, > and did a little diving. > And God said, "This is good." > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Dec 16 08:13:48 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:13:48 +0100 Subject: Setting MenuButton on openCard In-Reply-To: <79d1bee70712160511g2352f61t9b5a3fe7a32da1e8@mail.gmail.com> References: <9b408d8e0708070858w432cea81s99cf1e03ffc724d1@mail.gmail.com> <9b408d8e0708070917g3d93c80cp620d587b4ddf8b5a@mail.gmail.com> <79d1bee70712160511g2352f61t9b5a3fe7a32da1e8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8EB6B902-8439-4AD8-B775-D4736FDB4BB2@economy-x-talk.com> Martin, I think this is a Rev bug and I also believe it has been reported already. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 16-dec-2007, om 14:11 heeft Martin Blackman het volgende geschreven: > A belated reply, but similar issue - I want to let the user create > option > menus on demand in my program. After creating an option menu > button, it > displays the name of the button as its label. Then I put some text > into the > button and try to set the label to line 1 of the text - to no > avail, the > name of the button sticks in the display. > A workaround is to set the label to something else, eg. empty, and > then set > it back again. My reasoning is that when you set the text of the > button > initially, it automatically gets the first line as its label but > the display > doesnt update, then when you set the label to line 1 of the text, > it sees > this as No Change (No menupick sent) and hence still doesn't update. > > regards > Martin > From martinblackman at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 08:20:32 2007 From: martinblackman at gmail.com (Martin Blackman) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:20:32 +0900 Subject: Setting MenuButton on openCard In-Reply-To: <8EB6B902-8439-4AD8-B775-D4736FDB4BB2@economy-x-talk.com> References: <9b408d8e0708070858w432cea81s99cf1e03ffc724d1@mail.gmail.com> <9b408d8e0708070917g3d93c80cp620d587b4ddf8b5a@mail.gmail.com> <79d1bee70712160511g2352f61t9b5a3fe7a32da1e8@mail.gmail.com> <8EB6B902-8439-4AD8-B775-D4736FDB4BB2@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <79d1bee70712160520p49e66cf4m93b67ed12b94c026@mail.gmail.com> OK. Btw, reversing the order by setting the label and then text works OK too. On 16/12/2007, Mark Schonewille wrote: > > Martin, > > I think this is a Rev bug and I also believe it has been reported > already. > > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > > Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. > http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com > > > Op 16-dec-2007, om 14:11 heeft Martin Blackman het volgende geschreven: > > > A belated reply, but similar issue - I want to let the user create > > option > > menus on demand in my program. After creating an option menu > > button, it > > displays the name of the button as its label. Then I put some text > > into the > > button and try to set the label to line 1 of the text - to no > > avail, the > > name of the button sticks in the display. > > A workaround is to set the label to something else, eg. empty, and > > then set > > it back again. My reasoning is that when you set the text of the > > button > > initially, it automatically gets the first line as its label but > > the display > > doesnt update, then when you set the label to line 1 of the text, > > it sees > > this as No Change (No menupick sent) and hence still doesn't update. > > > > regards > > Martin > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From pepetoo at cox.net Sun Dec 16 10:53:18 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:53:18 -0800 Subject: Developer Dreams... Random Numbers In-Reply-To: <3D09906F-904D-4760-AA52-10E5DC2D2B60@economy-x-talk.com> References: <2203676B-4C4D-44FF-A345-81CE7F5770DB@cox.net> <961B424B-AF74-498E-986B-0C4AC7E54FA2@cox.net> <3D09906F-904D-4760-AA52-10E5DC2D2B60@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <4C3AB30C-7162-40EB-AFFC-6AEA55D47DD1@cox.net> Hi Mark, After reading a few of the site's FAQs, I can see that "they" have a very high degree of confidence in the "randomness" they are producing; however, as with all things in life, even "they" leave the door open for the, what they consider to be remote possibility, that even what they produce is not truly random. Proving one way or another is just too much for anyone. Thanks for your own thoughts. Joe Wilkins On Dec 16, 2007, at 2:23 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi Joe, > > The inability for computers to generate true random numbers is > exactly why Random.org exists. The random numbers provided by that > server are not generated by a computer but by mother nature. So, > yes, Random.org is "really", _really_ and *really* random! > > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > > Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. > http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com > > > Op 16-dec-2007, om 6:40 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende > geschreven: > >> Thanks, Bill. >> >> Quite interesting; and, certainly, worth investigating in depth by >> any who wish to use "random" numbers in their work. Probably still >> not "really" random; but, using such huge sets from which to draw, >> probably as close as we'll ever get. >> >> Joe Wilkins From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Dec 16 11:13:43 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 17:13:43 +0100 Subject: Developer Dreams... Random Numbers In-Reply-To: <4C3AB30C-7162-40EB-AFFC-6AEA55D47DD1@cox.net> References: <2203676B-4C4D-44FF-A345-81CE7F5770DB@cox.net> <961B424B-AF74-498E-986B-0C4AC7E54FA2@cox.net> <3D09906F-904D-4760-AA52-10E5DC2D2B60@economy-x-talk.com> <4C3AB30C-7162-40EB-AFFC-6AEA55D47DD1@cox.net> Message-ID: Joe, Could you please explain to me once more what point you are trying to make? Regarding te FAQ, I would write that too, if some space agency, secret service or hospital might held me responsible if my data appeared to be flawed. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 16-dec-2007, om 16:53 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende geschreven: > Hi Mark, > > After reading a few of the site's FAQs, I can see that "they" have > a very high degree of confidence in the "randomness" they are > producing; however, as with all things in life, even "they" leave > the door open for the, what they consider to be remote possibility, > that even what they produce is not truly random. Proving one way or > another is just too much for anyone. Thanks for your own thoughts. > > Joe Wilkins > From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sun Dec 16 11:30:29 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:30:29 -0800 Subject: Developer Dreams... Random Numbers Message-ID: <476552A5.40605@fourthworld.com> Mark Schonewille wrote: > The inability for computers to generate true random numbers is > exactly why Random.org exists. The random numbers provided by that > server are not generated by a computer but by mother nature. So, yes, > Random.org is "really", _really_ and *really* random! Chaotic, yes, but random? Hmmmmm.... Without sounding too Taoist/quantum, given the interrelationships between natural patterns I sometimes wonder if randomness is a purely intellectual construct, unrelated to the natural world. Nonetheless, I'm sure that approaching that ideal is useful for human purposes. Good work in making it available to Rev folks. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From pepetoo at cox.net Sun Dec 16 11:42:50 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:42:50 -0800 Subject: Developer Dreams... Random Numbers In-Reply-To: References: <2203676B-4C4D-44FF-A345-81CE7F5770DB@cox.net> <961B424B-AF74-498E-986B-0C4AC7E54FA2@cox.net> <3D09906F-904D-4760-AA52-10E5DC2D2B60@economy-x-talk.com> <4C3AB30C-7162-40EB-AFFC-6AEA55D47DD1@cox.net> Message-ID: Mark, No major point; just my own, personal observations as I seek to know without just accepting someone else's opinion. I guess what I was trying to point out was that even with "their" selection method(s), there is probably some discoverable methodology - a pattern of some sort, that would make their numbers predictable; thence not truly random. Thanks for your observations, and I had no intention of being argumentative about the topic; just a slow traffic morning. (smile) Joe Wilkins On Dec 16, 2007, at 8:13 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Joe, > > Could you please explain to me once more what point you are trying > to make? > > Regarding te FAQ, I would write that too, if some space agency, > secret service or hospital might held me responsible if my data > appeared to be flawed. > > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > > Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. > http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com > > > Op 16-dec-2007, om 16:53 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende > geschreven: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> After reading a few of the site's FAQs, I can see that "they" have >> a very high degree of confidence in the "randomness" they are >> producing; however, as with all things in life, even "they" leave >> the door open for the, what they consider to be remote >> possibility, that even what they produce is not truly random. >> Proving one way or another is just too much for anyone. Thanks for >> your own thoughts. >> >> Joe Wilkins >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Dec 16 12:00:27 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:00:27 +0100 Subject: Developer Dreams... Random Numbers In-Reply-To: <476552A5.40605@fourthworld.com> References: <476552A5.40605@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <68AE2806-621F-4451-A2AB-B74DC11DD6E9@economy-x-talk.com> Richard, I didn't attend the process (for my research, I did exactly the opposite), but I believe it is save to assume that Mads Haar took the pattern out of the data, keeping the randomness. Since the way a coin flips is eventually determined by physics, you might be right that randomness is an intellectual construct, without being even slightly irrational as I'd call it, but I'd rather leave that topic to philosophers. Joe, thanks for your reply. Of course, it is great that you seek to find knowledge by your own observations and I can only encourage that. I just hope nobody is getting confused by this discussion, thinking that maybe the data from Random.org are not random. If you're looking for random numbers, Random.org is a great source. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 16-dec-2007, om 17:30 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven: > > Chaotic, yes, but random? Hmmmmm.... > > Without sounding too Taoist/quantum, given the interrelationships > between natural patterns I sometimes wonder if randomness is a > purely intellectual construct, unrelated to the natural world. > > Nonetheless, I'm sure that approaching that ideal is useful for > human purposes. Good work in making it available to Rev folks. > From wjm at wjm.org Sun Dec 16 14:59:08 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:59:08 -0500 Subject: Developer Dreams... Random Numbers References: <2203676B-4C4D-44FF-A345-81CE7F5770DB@cox.net><961B424B-AF74-498E-986B-0C4AC7E54FA2@cox.net><3D09906F-904D-4760-AA52-10E5DC2D2B60@economy-x-talk.com><4C3AB30C-7162-40EB-AFFC-6AEA55D47DD1@cox.net> Message-ID: The only thing I want to add to this is a link that directly addresses the question, "are the numbers really random?" http://random.org/analysis/ Which basically states it's impossible to prove randomness. And, the following quote from the Kenny analysis paper: "Random.org passes the NIST test suite; its pass rates and uniformity checks are in line with what NIST considers sufficient to be deemed random. Random.org can now be recognised as passing the industry standard suite of tests." > Regarding te FAQ, I would write that too, if some space agency, secret > service or hospital might held me responsible if my data appeared to be > flawed. >> After reading a few of the site's FAQs, I can see that "they" have a >> very high degree of confidence in the "randomness" they are producing; >> however, as with all things in life, even "they" leave the door open for >> the, what they consider to be remote possibility, that even what they >> produce is not truly random. From shari at gypsyware.com Sun Dec 16 15:21:12 2007 From: shari at gypsyware.com (Shari) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:21:12 -0500 Subject: Bizarre Problems with Leopard+PowerPC In-Reply-To: <9B1956B4-E66D-4846-A5CF-F507AF09CADA@gmail.com> References: <20071213180005.7E200489E5C@mail.runrev.com> <9B1956B4-E66D-4846-A5CF-F507AF09CADA@gmail.com> Message-ID: I can verify this issue, as I am also having this problem. However, mine fails also on Macintels too running Leopard, not just Powermacs. I've had SEVERAL user reports of this. No telling how many just fail without telling me. My customers are rumbling unhappily, those who paid for the software prior to getting a new computer and now cannot use it. Kevin, did you file a Bugzilla report? If so, I will add to it. Let me know the bug number. Ken, I haven't had a chance to try your build, it's tabled until after the holidays :-) Just sticking my two cents in that Kevin isn't the only one experiencing this. Shari >Hi All, > >I have had two users report issues running my Revolution-created >software on Leopard. There are two things that have been reported: > >1. When the application is launched, the OS returns an error >message stating that the software is "not supported on this >architecture" >2. The application opens correctly but freezes when attempting to >use Revolution's XML external -- WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware games BIackjack GoId http://www.gypsyware.com From tbandi at swissonline.ch Sun Dec 16 16:14:39 2007 From: tbandi at swissonline.ch (Till Bandi) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:14:39 +0100 Subject: import textfile into SQLite DB? In-Reply-To: References: <2203676B-4C4D-44FF-A345-81CE7F5770DB@cox.net><961B424B-AF74-498E-986B-0C4AC7E54FA2@cox.net><3D09906F-904D-4760-AA52-10E5DC2D2B60@economy-x-talk.com><4C3AB30C-7162-40EB-AFFC-6AEA55D47DD1@cox.net> Message-ID: <130B2D1F-9B82-4CC9-8609-E674A1D18319@swissonline.ch> can anyone give me a hint, how I can import a big tab delimited file into a SQLite Database? Thanks Till From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Sun Dec 16 16:28:11 2007 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:28:11 -0600 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <20071216054033.UUIW10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20071216054033.UUIW10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4765986B.2080605@hyperactivesw.com> Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Really, rev cant apply an image as fill for a polygon? Any workarounds? Rev can use an image as a fill for a polygon, but when the polygon is resized or reshaped, the image is cropped to fit rather than being distorted. That probably isn't the effect you are after. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Sun Dec 16 16:47:13 2007 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:47:13 +0000 Subject: import textfile into SQLite DB? Message-ID: <200712162147.13544.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> I did it with sqlitebrowser, in Linux. Create table, then do import. There is it. Simple. Mine was not very big, don't know how it would do with more than a few thousand records. Worth a try though. Peter > can anyone give me a hint, how I can import a big tab delimited file > into a SQLite Database? > > Thanks > > Till From randall at randallreetz.com Sun Dec 16 17:08:41 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:08:41 -0800 Subject: Caricature challenge Message-ID: <20071216220843.PWUZ10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Well, yes you are correct... Tht would be ideal (as a mode)... But so long as the crop is to the outer (and not the inner) rectangle bounds of the polygon, then you can still get a good effect. The more triangles the better.. Remember that calculus is an average too! randall -----Original Message----- From: "J. Landman Gay" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 12/16/2007 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Caricature challenge Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Really, rev cant apply an image as fill for a polygon? Any workarounds? Rev can use an image as a fill for a polygon, but when the polygon is resized or reshaped, the image is cropped to fit rather than being distorted. That probably isn't the effect you are after. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From katir at hindu.org Sun Dec 16 19:33:25 2007 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:33:25 -1000 Subject: Kiosk App to Move Back on Top Message-ID: <4765C3D5.1020402@hindu.org> My little Kiosk app (Mac OSX) is coming along nicely.. at one point we invoke Safari to let the users sign up for web newsletters... Safari comes to the front. Can I have a "send in 10 minutes" that will bring Revolution back up as the front most application? If so, how exactly do we do that? Infact I want to actually close Safari's Top window (so that the next user comes into Safari with a default page) I suppose that will require a touch of applescript. (of which I know virtually zero) Sivakatirswami From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Dec 16 19:57:48 2007 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:57:48 -0600 Subject: Kiosk App to Move Back on Top In-Reply-To: <4765C3D5.1020402@hindu.org> References: <4765C3D5.1020402@hindu.org> Message-ID: <20071216185748777662.0a7b8d28@sonsothunder.com> On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:33:25 -1000, Sivakatirswami wrote: > My little Kiosk app (Mac OSX) is coming along nicely.. at one point > we invoke Safari to let the users sign up for web newsletters... > Safari comes to the front. > > Can I have a "send in 10 minutes" that will bring Revolution back up > as the front most application? > > If so, how exactly do we do that? Infact I want to actually close > Safari's Top window (so that the next user comes into Safari with a > default page) I suppose that will require a touch of applescript. > (of which I know virtually zero) Funny you should ask that! I was just doing that very same thing myself. Here you go: -- put this somewhere send "ActivateMe" to me in 10 minutes on ActivateMe put "MyKioskApp" into myAppName -- note no ".app" put "tell application" && quote & myAppName & quote & cr & \ "activate" & cr & "end tell" into tScript do tScript as AppleScript end ActivateMe HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From katir at hindu.org Sun Dec 16 20:01:19 2007 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 15:01:19 -1000 Subject: Kiosk Mode Goes away Message-ID: <4765CA5F.8000106@hindu.org> I'm using Andre Kiosk external, on Leopard now it seems to have issues. If I boot into my app an turn Kiosk mode on, then all appears as expected. If I launch them into Safari... after closeing Safari, My stand alone application comes back, this time with the menu bar appear at the top... users can click "Quit" and are landed back inthe finder with access to the local hard drive and everything... I think at the very least I can issue some kind of "hide menubar" on resume... so that even though Kiosk mode seems to get axed.. they still have no menu items. any ideas appreciated. From kray at sonsothunder.com Sun Dec 16 20:09:50 2007 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 19:09:50 -0600 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <20071216220843.PWUZ10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20071216220843.PWUZ10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <20071216190950104918.cf06ae4f@sonsothunder.com> On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:08:41 -0800, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Well, yes you are correct... Tht would be ideal (as a mode)... But so > long as the crop is to the outer (and not the inner) rectangle bounds > of the polygon, then you can still get a good effect. The more > triangles the better.. Remember that calculus is an average too! Well, the docs say "The backgroundPattern of a graphic is displayed inside the graphic's border if the graphic's fill property is true." I don't know how that relates to your comment about the outer/inner bounds of the polygon, but if I am interpreting things correctly, it looks like it's dealing with the inner bound. There are workarounds as well that can aid in the distorting too, and keep in mind that (AFAIK) Rev displays the image through the polygon as if the polygon were situated in the upper-left corner of the image. I don't know of a way to adjust any offsets of the image within the polygon (for example to look at the center of an image using this approach, although there are other ways to get that effect without using backgroundPatterns... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 20:32:08 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:32:08 +1000 Subject: Kiosk App to Move Back on Top In-Reply-To: <4765C3D5.1020402@hindu.org> References: <4765C3D5.1020402@hindu.org> Message-ID: > If so, how exactly do we do that? Infact I want to actually close > Safari's Top window (so that the next user comes into Safari with a > default page) I suppose that will require a touch of applescript. > (of which I know virtually zero) Here are the Applescripts you will need. Assembe them as usual and "do using AppleScript". To close the top window: tell application "Safari" close window 1 end tell To close all windows: tell application "Safari" close the windows end tell HTH, Sarah From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun Dec 16 20:34:06 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:34:06 +1000 Subject: Kiosk Mode Goes away In-Reply-To: <4765CA5F.8000106@hindu.org> References: <4765CA5F.8000106@hindu.org> Message-ID: > If I launch them into Safari... after closeing Safari, My stand alone > application comes back, this time with the menu bar appear at the top... > users can click "Quit" and are landed back inthe finder with access to > the local hard drive and everything... > > I think at the very least I can issue some kind of "hide menubar" on > resume... so that even though Kiosk mode seems to get axed.. they still > have no menu items. I've been faking kiosk mode for years and that's how I do it. On resume, check the window size is still the same as the screenRect, resizing if necessary. Set the loc of the stack to the screenLoc and hide menubars (which also hides the Dock). Cheers, Sarah From randall at randallreetz.com Sun Dec 16 21:36:22 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:36:22 -0800 Subject: Caricature challenge Message-ID: <20071217023626.WPMV25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> In supercard, if you set the "picturedata" of a polygon to an image's path on disc, that image assumes the dimentions of the rectangle that defines the smallest rectangle within which the polygon would fit. Reshape the polygon and the image rectangle stretches likewise to fit the new outer bounds of the new shaped polygon. So, the image is warped in height and width to fit the polygon, which isnt as good as warping to fit the non-linear angular distotion of it's bounds as might be achieved with the use of a quad, but in light of performance it is in fact fast to fake this same overall effect through a grid of interleaved triangles (so long as your grid is sufficiently fine). I found that the eye is pretty forgiving with image montage of fairly low fedelity. Will someone do a quick trial with this pattern property and apply an image to the content of a polygon to see if there is in fact no easy way to make sure that the applied image always stretches in x and y to fit the exact outer width and height of the polygon holding it? Thanks, randall -----Original Message----- From: "Ken Ray" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 12/16/2007 5:09 PM Subject: RE: Caricature challenge On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 14:08:41 -0800, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > Well, yes you are correct... Tht would be ideal (as a mode)... But so > long as the crop is to the outer (and not the inner) rectangle bounds > of the polygon, then you can still get a good effect. The more > triangles the better.. Remember that calculus is an average too! Well, the docs say "The backgroundPattern of a graphic is displayed inside the graphic's border if the graphic's fill property is true." I don't know how that relates to your comment about the outer/inner bounds of the polygon, but if I am interpreting things correctly, it looks like it's dealing with the inner bound. There are workarounds as well that can aid in the distorting too, and keep in mind that (AFAIK) Rev displays the image through the polygon as if the polygon were situated in the upper-left corner of the image. I don't know of a way to adjust any offsets of the image within the polygon (for example to look at the center of an image using this approach, although there are other ways to get that effect without using backgroundPatterns... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From meitnik at bellsouth.net Mon Dec 17 01:03:32 2007 From: meitnik at bellsouth.net (Andrew Meit) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:03:32 -0500 Subject: My Enterprise has been sold. Message-ID: <846CEB3A-BA6C-4F98-A597-32E5163ADDF2@bellsouth.net> Just to let folks know. I hope in the year(s) ahead Rev can finally rethink cost of renewal for Studio so I wont have to be priced out of ownership like I had been with Enterprise. Just a plea. Shalom, Andrew {Choose Life, Create Hope, Nurture Love, Wrestle Faith...} From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 17 01:43:45 2007 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 06:43:45 +0000 Subject: sqlite tksqlite sqlite browser Message-ID: <200712170643.45256.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Sorry, sqlite browser will not import a 15k record csv file. Gave it about 10 minutes on a sempron 2G, with 1G memory, and it seemed to be frozen. However tksqlite did import it, almost instantly. Peter From runrevron at gmail.com Mon Dec 17 08:28:08 2007 From: runrevron at gmail.com (Ron) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:28:08 +0900 Subject: ISO and Mac chars changed in 2.9 In-Reply-To: <4762D014.9000200@fourthworld.com> References: <4762D014.9000200@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <2585443F-9739-4B97-BE7B-CDA9D8407E2A@gmail.com> Intel MacBook OS 10.4.11 Rev 2.9 dp 2 build 510 stacks with JIS text, viz high ascii text, made in 2.8 now opened in 2.9 Problem: the scripts are changed to iso text. the messagebox shows mac text but when it is copied and pasted into the script, it changes to iso text. the variable watcher shows mac text but when it is copied and pasted into the script, it changes to iso text. Simple Demonstration (that has nothing to do with Japanese JIS text.) in the messagebox type "put numtochar(166)" then copy the resulting char to a script. the two will be different. in the messagebox type "put mactoiso(numtochar(166))" then copy the resulting char to a script this will be different from the message box but the same as the char in the original messagebox Another Problem: As I was testing this, I tried copying from the message box into another program and the result was this: ptmcos(utca(6) instead of this: put mactoiso(numtochar(166)) Is anyone else seeing either or both of these problems? Thanks Ron From wjm at wjm.org Mon Dec 17 09:38:18 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:38:18 -0500 Subject: My Enterprise has been sold. References: <846CEB3A-BA6C-4F98-A597-32E5163ADDF2@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: Hi Andrew, Pricing is something we do look at periodically, but don't expect it to change frequently. I just want to point out something important. There is NO "cost of ownership" for Enterprise or Studio. Once you own a license it's yours to use however you like for as long as you like. What maintaining an active license DOES is to grant you a larger discount on future upgrades and updates. Currently: - Three months of new versions are included with initial purchase - "Early Update Packs" include a year of new versions. They cost $199 Studio / $499 Enterprise - "Update Packs" also include a year of new versions. They cost $299 Studio / $749 Enterprise The difference is that "early" update pack pricing is available while your license is "current" -- anytime within the initial three months or while another update pack is in effect. You save 50% of the cost of a new license with the early updates, and 25% off the cost of a new license with the regular updates. The regular update pack is available to all owners of that license no matter how long they've gone without updates. The update packs are about just that -- updates. Rest assured that if you buy (for example) version 2.8.1, you will always be able to use version 2.8.1 without additional cost. By the way.... An interesting and often overlooked fact is that Revolution licenses are per *user* licenses, which means that you can install it on as many computers as you personally use, so long as you're the only one using it. There is no "activation" worries, either, like some well-known database software that gives you only two installs. All the best, Bill, RunRev marketing guy "Andrew Meit" wrote in message news:846CEB3A-BA6C-4F98-A597-32E5163ADDF2 at bellsouth.net... > Just to let folks know. > I hope in the year(s) ahead Rev can finally rethink cost of renewal for > Studio so I wont have to be priced out of ownership like I had been with > Enterprise. Just a plea. > > Shalom, Andrew > {Choose Life, Create Hope, Nurture Love, Wrestle Faith...} From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon Dec 17 10:42:22 2007 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:42:22 -0700 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <9AE38C08-CF9A-44B9-BAC4-89C072E638CE@gmail.com> References: <9AE38C08-CF9A-44B9-BAC4-89C072E638CE@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 14, 2007, at 9:26 PM, Peter Brigham wrote: > Thanks to Ken Ray, Jacqueline Gay, Eric Chatonet, and all others > who helped clarify how the menubar works. It gives me a lot better > basis for going ahead with my projects. This list is a godsend. It > would be great if there were some readily available documentation > for this kind of stuff -- I've learned a lot by browsing the > dictionary, etc, but I haven't found any source of clarification of > the bigger picture for these kind of things. The next area for me > to puzzle out is using object templates and profiles. Another > corner of Rev that the docs are woefully inadequate in explaining.... Peter, I have an extensive collection of "tutorials for beginners" on various Rev topics that my colleagues and I have put together for our beginning programming in Revolution course. Anyone in the Rev community is welcome to access them. There is a tutorial on Menus is Rev, among many others. Hope you find them useful. http://revolution.byu.edu Regards, Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From kray at sonsothunder.com Mon Dec 17 10:46:47 2007 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:46:47 -0600 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <20071217023626.WPMV25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20071217023626.WPMV25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <20071217094647417670.f60f8168@sonsothunder.com> On Sun, 16 Dec 2007 18:36:22 -0800, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > In supercard, if you set the "picturedata" of a polygon to an image's > path on disc, that image assumes the dimentions of the rectangle that > defines the smallest rectangle within which the polygon would fit. > Reshape the polygon and the image rectangle stretches likewise to fit > the new outer bounds of the new shaped polygon. So, the image is > warped in height and width to fit the polygon, which isnt as good as > warping to fit the non-linear angular distotion of it's bounds as > might be achieved with the use of a quad, but in light of performance > it is in fact fast to fake this same overall effect through a grid of > interleaved triangles (so long as your grid is sufficiently fine). I > found that the eye is pretty forgiving with image montage of fairly > low fedelity. > > Will someone do a quick trial with this pattern property and apply an > image to the content of a polygon to see if there is in fact no easy > way to make sure that the applied image always stretches in x and y > to fit the exact outer width and height of the polygon holding it? I tried that, and there's no *easy* way AFAICT. The only thing I could think of would be to make it a multi-step process: 1) Take the original image (img "orig"), duplicate it (img "dupe") and lock its loc. 2) Set the rect of "dupe" to the same size as the polygon 3) Make a new image object (img "stretch") that has the same size as the copy. 4) Set the imageData of the "stretch" to the imageData of "dupe" 5) Set the backgroundPattern of the polygon to "stretch" This of course couldn't happen dynamically in real time without stuttering, etc., especially on larger images. I miss SuperCard's manipulation of pictureData in Revolution (you can do all sorts of other things too like setting offsets, magnification etc.) - it would be a great addition to Rev... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From kray at sonsothunder.com Mon Dec 17 11:17:27 2007 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 10:17:27 -0600 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: References: <9AE38C08-CF9A-44B9-BAC4-89C072E638CE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20071217101727980212.388d3a27@sonsothunder.com> On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:42:22 -0700, Devin Asay wrote: > I have an extensive collection of "tutorials for beginners" on > various Rev topics that my colleagues and I have put together for our > beginning programming in Revolution course. Anyone in the Rev > community is welcome to access them. There is a tutorial on Menus is > Rev, among many others. Hope you find them useful. > > http://revolution.byu.edu Those are great, Devin! I knew you were teaching a course over at BYU but I didn't know you had this stuff available to the Rev community. Thanks a lot! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From pepetoo at cox.net Mon Dec 17 12:57:20 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:57:20 -0800 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <20071217101727980212.388d3a27@sonsothunder.com> References: <9AE38C08-CF9A-44B9-BAC4-89C072E638CE@gmail.com> <20071217101727980212.388d3a27@sonsothunder.com> Message-ID: Hi Devin, I go along with Ken Ray with his kudos. Great and thanks. In fact, since I am just about ready to start up a new series about Revolution on Macinstruct.com's Code Mojo column, may I have your permission to include a link to your tutorial site in the very first article. I will emphasize its value to the "currently" non-rev user, some of whom may become one shortly thereafter. Since I have not started writing the initial article for this new series - they will available every other Wednesday at , I will be more than happy to take some guidance from you regarding your course(s). The readers of Macinstruct.com columns come from a very broad spectrum of Mac Users, so the articles should produce some excellent results for all parties concerned. In the event that you are not aware of my earlier contributions, back at the beginning of this decade I authored a somewhat similar set of pieces on Macinstruct.com regarding HyperCard, called The University of HyperCard?. I believe it was pretty popular at the time. Earlier this year and late last year, I wrote several articles about Revolution, but found myself inundated with my "real" work and stopped writing last Spring. Now, that I once again have a little free time on my hands, I'm hoping to pick up where I left off; perhaps a little wiser and more knowledgeable about Revolution's various foibles. Guiding them to your tutorials would be of great service to everyone, myself included. Once again, Great Job! TIA, Joe Wilkins On Dec 17, 2007, at 8:17 AM, Ken Ray wrote: > On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:42:22 -0700, Devin Asay wrote: > >> I have an extensive collection of "tutorials for beginners" on >> various Rev topics that my colleagues and I have put together for our >> beginning programming in Revolution course. Anyone in the Rev >> community is welcome to access them. There is a tutorial on Menus is >> Rev, among many others. Hope you find them useful. >> >> http://revolution.byu.edu > > Those are great, Devin! I knew you were teaching a course over at BYU > but I didn't know you had this stuff available to the Rev community. > Thanks a lot! > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. > Email: kray at sonsothunder.com > Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon Dec 17 12:59:14 2007 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:59:14 -0800 Subject: My Enterprise has been sold. In-Reply-To: <846CEB3A-BA6C-4F98-A597-32E5163ADDF2@bellsouth.net> References: <846CEB3A-BA6C-4F98-A597-32E5163ADDF2@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <067901c840d6$89da4020$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> > I hope in the year(s) ahead Rev can finally rethink cost of > renewal for Studio so I wont have to be priced out of > ownership like I had been with Enterprise. Just a plea. What...no reponse from Richard Gaskin? Richard, Im shocked! :-) A great number of users use Revolution Studio (and as far as I can tell, also Revolution Media) for professional development - for them, the cost of a Revolution license is very small or even irrelevant. If you are a student/instructor, there is the academic route, and the savings becomes greater the higher up you go (studio, enterprise). Now what if you are a a hobbyist and you love Studio? Have you been using it for years? Then I have a suggestion :-) Figure out a way to offset the cost by doing a small project for someone. Now and then I know Id love to have a project that could do X, and sometimes it just doesn't get done because our engineering resources are strapped or it isnt central to our overall development. Now if you consider your time worth hundreds of dollars an hour, then the cost of upgrading Studio or Enterprise is a small proportion of that and you shouldn't have much to complain about. But if you arent at that point, then maybe getting someone else to pay your upgrade costs is a possibility. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks Proactive International Mirye Software Publishing - NA Publisher for Runtime Revolution http://www.mirye.com From david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk Mon Dec 17 13:09:11 2007 From: david at dvglasgow.wanadoo.co.uk (David Glasgow) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:09:11 +0000 Subject: Developer Dreams... Random Numbers In-Reply-To: <20071216180004.6E1674893FD@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071216180004.6E1674893FD@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > If you're looking for random numbers, Random.org is a great source. Or you could fire up an 8 bit Atari, which also used a physical RNG. Learn here how (circa 1990) to get round the beastly problem of *only* being able to generate true, non-repeating random numbers ;-) Best Wishes, David Glasgow Carlton Glasgow Partnership http://www.i-psych.co.uk From josh at dvcreators.net Mon Dec 17 14:19:11 2007 From: josh at dvcreators.net (Josh Mellicker) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:19:11 -0800 Subject: FYI: Flash disabled in QT 7.3.1 Message-ID: If you have shipped products containing Quicktime movies that have interactive Flash tracks (as we have), when your customers update to QT 7.3.1, the movies will not play, and your product will be dead on arrival. Pulling support for Flash without any ability for developers to "certify" their movies as safe or providing any option/warning for the consumer is a questionable move for a company wanting to establish a standard. Vista engineers would have put in a few "Allow" dialogs but given the user the choice :-o --- QuickTime CVE-ID: CVE-2007-4707 Available for: Mac OS X v10.3.9, Mac OS X v10.4.9 or later, Mac OS X v10.5 or later, Windows Vista, XP SP2 Impact: Multiple vulnerabilities in QuickTime's Flash media handler Description: Multiple vulnerabilities exist in QuickTime's Flash media handler, the most serious of which may lead to arbitrary code execution. With this update, the Flash media handler in QuickTime is disabled except for a limited number of existing QuickTime movies that are known to be safe. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=307176 http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1292332&tstart=0 From thohage at objectmanufactur.com Mon Dec 17 14:20:33 2007 From: thohage at objectmanufactur.com (Thorsten Hohage) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:20:33 +0100 Subject: Accessing Addressbook and iCal Message-ID: <9693FA5E-3884-45B7-A399-052EB5C89F02@objectmanufactur.com> Hi, I know Rev is cross plattform and this query is not, BUT is there a recommend / common way to access the Apple Addressbook and perhaps then new Leo only iCal-"Framework". Any ready build class available, or must I really do it on my own? TIA regards Thorsten Hohage -- objectmanufactur.com - Hamburg,Germany From sims at ezpzapps.com Mon Dec 17 14:33:00 2007 From: sims at ezpzapps.com (Jim Sims) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:33:00 +0100 Subject: Accessing Addressbook and iCal In-Reply-To: <9693FA5E-3884-45B7-A399-052EB5C89F02@objectmanufactur.com> References: <9693FA5E-3884-45B7-A399-052EB5C89F02@objectmanufactur.com> Message-ID: On Dec 17, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Thorsten Hohage wrote: > I know Rev is cross plattform and this query is not, BUT is there a > recommend / common way to access the Apple Addressbook and perhaps > then new Leo only iCal-"Framework". Any ready build class > available, or must I really do it on my own? Applescript might be your friend here. You can do an applescript from Rev. For starters, look here... http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.21/21.10/ ScriptingAddressBook/index.html sims ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ClipaSearch Pro http://www.ClipaTools.com Across Platforms - Code and Culture http://www.ezpzapps.com/blog/ From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Dec 17 14:37:41 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:37:41 -0800 Subject: My Enterprise has been sold. Message-ID: <4766D005.1080405@fourthworld.com> Lynn Fredricks wrote: >> I hope in the year(s) ahead Rev can finally rethink cost of >> renewal for Studio so I wont have to be priced out of >> ownership like I had been with Enterprise. Just a plea. > > What...no reponse from Richard Gaskin? Richard, Im shocked! :-) How so? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon Dec 17 14:46:12 2007 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:46:12 -0800 Subject: My Enterprise has been sold. In-Reply-To: <4766D005.1080405@fourthworld.com> References: <4766D005.1080405@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <002101c840e5$7e0da110$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> > Lynn Fredricks wrote: > >> I hope in the year(s) ahead Rev can finally rethink cost > of renewal > >> for Studio so I wont have to be priced out of ownership like I had > >> been with Enterprise. Just a plea. > > > > What...no reponse from Richard Gaskin? Richard, Im shocked! :-) > > How so? When lowering prices are a topic of discussion it always makes me think of you and maintaining the $1K price point. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Dec 17 14:59:41 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 11:59:41 -0800 Subject: My Enterprise has been sold. Message-ID: <4766D52D.3020103@fourthworld.com> Lynn Fredricks wrote: >> Lynn Fredricks wrote: >>>> I hope in the year(s) ahead Rev can finally rethink cost >>>>of renewal >>>> for Studio so I wont have to be priced out of ownership like I had >>>> been with Enterprise. Just a plea. >>> >>> What...no reponse from Richard Gaskin? Richard, Im shocked! :-) >> >> How so? > > When lowering prices are a topic of discussion it always makes > me think of you and maintaining the $1K price point. While I still maintain that the data available suggests my opinion may be well supported, I can't fault an earnest fellow looking for a bargain. :) And after watching the runaway success of one-unknown MySQL in its market, I'm increasingly of the opinion that dual-licensing may be beneficial for development tools, which would make both Andrew and me very happy. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Dec 17 15:12:43 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:12:43 -0800 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? Message-ID: <4766D83B.7030200@fourthworld.com> Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > In fact, since I am just about ready to start up a new series > about Revolution on Macinstruct.com's Code Mojo column, may I > have your permission to include a link to your tutorial site > in the very first article. I will emphasize its value to the > "currently" non-rev user, some of whom may become one shortly > thereafter. Since I have not started writing the initial article > for this new series - they will available every other Wednesday > at , I will be more than happy to take some > guidance from you regarding your course(s). The readers of > Macinstruct.com columns come from a very broad spectrum of Mac > Users, so the articles should produce some excellent results > for all parties concerned. Sounds excellent, Joe. Looking forward to it. When that first article comes out please drop a note here or to me directly if you like and I'll add a link to it from revJournal's Links page: -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From pepetoo at cox.net Mon Dec 17 15:24:59 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:24:59 -0800 Subject: Menubar on Windows??? In-Reply-To: <4766D83B.7030200@fourthworld.com> References: <4766D83B.7030200@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <096D34B2-06AF-43D5-9E09-BC92B45B1740@cox.net> Hi Richard, Thanks for your support and enthusiasm. I'll put up a note here the evening before each article is to appear. Going back to my original credo; the best way to learn is to teach. Joe Wilkins On Dec 17, 2007, at 12:12 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote: > > In fact, since I am just about ready to start up a new series > > about Revolution on Macinstruct.com's Code Mojo column, may I > > have your permission to include a link to your tutorial site > > in the very first article. I will emphasize its value to the > > "currently" non-rev user, some of whom may become one shortly > > thereafter. Since I have not started writing the initial article > > for this new series - they will available every other Wednesday > > at , I will be more than happy to take some > > guidance from you regarding your course(s). The readers of > > Macinstruct.com columns come from a very broad spectrum of Mac > > Users, so the articles should produce some excellent results > > for all parties concerned. > > Sounds excellent, Joe. Looking forward to it. > > When that first article comes out please drop a note here or to me > directly if you like and I'll add a link to it from revJournal's > Links page: > > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Managing Editor, revJournal > _______________________________________________________ > Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From thohage at objectmanufactur.com Mon Dec 17 15:43:48 2007 From: thohage at objectmanufactur.com (Thorsten Hohage) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 21:43:48 +0100 Subject: My Enterprise has been sold. In-Reply-To: <4766D52D.3020103@fourthworld.com> References: <4766D52D.3020103@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: On 2007-12-17, at 20:59, Richard Gaskin wrote: > And after watching the runaway success of one-unknown MySQL in its > market, I'm increasingly of the opinion that dual-licensing may be > beneficial for development tools, which would make both Andrew and > me very happy. Do you really think that the mySQL way is a good way? Especially when being a long term user? 1. For the first years their client side libraries was LGPL so you can simply use them. 2. Next step they introduced much better, enhanced new client and you must use it for the new version above 3. 3. They changed their licence module for client side library, NOW you must pay or open your full app as Open Source and far more legal trouble around it. When you promised a client a technology you was forced to bite the bullet and pay your several hundreds - 2000 bucks all together. Oh, you say it doesn't matter, you choose the OpenSource way? Perhaps a good decision for scientific or pure hobby work. But what if we try to think Lynns sample (do one small app each year to pay your subscription) a step further. Once you build ("accidently") a nice app for an innovative small Shop, of course w/o paying everything is free, it's OpenSource. They put all their business logic in the app and are quite happy to pay no licence fees at all. A few days later a competitor see the software and get knowledge about the choosen licence model and so you receive a formal letter requesting the source code. I guess this innovative small shop is not really happy to see his business logic went away ;-) I must admit, I'm a commercial, professional software developer and not a hobbyist. But using many different tools, I sometimes pay an upgrade for a product, I didn't use for a year, so I'm in this sense in a similar situation like many hobbyist regarding this unused (=not earn money with it) tool. But I still prefer to pay my lower subscription for e.g. Valentina instead of mySQL, or Rev, RB, ... instead of OpenSource version of Qt, I know I must pay, but I feel so much safer with it. And if you ever feel you need to pay "so much" simply check the current seat licence for an IBM WebSphere Developer or something similar. regards Thorsten Hohage -- objectmanufactur.com - Hamburg,Germany From paulgabel at comcast.net Mon Dec 17 16:36:42 2007 From: paulgabel at comcast.net (Paul Gabel) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 13:36:42 -0800 Subject: You don't have one of the selected engines! Message-ID: <96AC8633-0AE8-47FB-AA89-541CF8CAB8FF@comcast.net> Hello everybody: I'm trying to build a standalone using Rev 2.8.1, but I keep getting this error message: "You don't have one of the selected engines!" I have no idea what this means or what I could be doing wrong. In the Standalone Settings I chose building only for Mac OS X Universal. Would someone please help me out. Thanks. Paul Gabel iMac Intel Leopard 10.5.1 From revdev at pdslabs.net Mon Dec 17 23:40:51 2007 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:40:51 -0800 Subject: You don't have one of the selected engines! In-Reply-To: <96AC8633-0AE8-47FB-AA89-541CF8CAB8FF@comcast.net> References: <96AC8633-0AE8-47FB-AA89-541CF8CAB8FF@comcast.net> Message-ID: <47674F53.5050507@pdslabs.net> Hi Paul, The message would normally mean the file "Standalone" is missing from your Mac's /Applications//Runtime/ folder. It does seem unlikely that your OS X UB "Standalone" file would be missing. Is it possible that the Windows checkbox is also checked in your "Standalone Application Settings" window? If this is the case and you've never made a Windows standalone on your Mac with 2.8.1, that could explain why you got the message. If I recall correctly, when this happens Rev will ask you to allow the downloading of the missing engine (aka "Standalone" file). I may not have every detail correct above, but this at least gives you a trail to follow. Phil Davis Paul Gabel wrote: > Hello everybody: > > I'm trying to build a standalone using Rev 2.8.1, but I keep getting > this error message: "You don't have one of the selected engines!" I > have no idea what this means or what I could be doing wrong. In the > Standalone Settings I chose building only for Mac OS X Universal. > Would someone please help me out. Thanks. > > Paul Gabel > iMac Intel > Leopard 10.5.1 From trancepacific at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 03:39:44 2007 From: trancepacific at gmail.com (kevin oneil) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 00:39:44 -0800 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 51, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <20071217180004.6EC26489446@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071217180004.6EC26489446@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <8e18e80d0712180039i3bfc8d55pb3ebaca543707250@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Richmond was kind enough to test my software on his PowerPC Leopard installation and experienced no problems. Therefore, I am inclined to believe Shari's view now, that the odd Leopard bug is subject to occurrence on both PPC and Intel. There also appears to be no type of Mac in particular that triggers the bug. So all we know is that occasionally Leopard + Revolution = incompatibility. Shari has had several users report the issue and I have had 3 users report the issue. I can't stress enough how important of an issue this in the shareware business when you have paying customers who report such a baffling issue. Can anyone speculate as to what exactly may cause "this software is not compatible with this architecture" OS messages when trying to launch a Rev standalone? Again, the other issue is that Universal Binary Rev standalones crash when they use the RevXML external on Leopard. Thanks, Kevin Clearly no one else reading this list has experienced this type of problem. > > > I can verify this issue, as I am also having this problem. However, > mine fails also on Macintels too running Leopard, not just Powermacs. > I've had SEVERAL user reports of this. No telling how many just fail > without telling me. My customers are rumbling unhappily, those who > paid for the software prior to getting a new computer and now cannot > use it. > > Kevin, did you file a Bugzilla report? If so, I will add to it. Let > me know the bug number. > > Ken, I haven't had a chance to try your build, it's tabled until > after the holidays :-) Just sticking my two cents in that Kevin > isn't the only one experiencing this. > > Shari > > > > >Hi All, > > > >I have had two users report issues running my Revolution-created > >software on Leopard. There are two things that have been reported: > > > >1. When the application is launched, the OS returns an error > >message stating that the software is "not supported on this > >architecture" > >2. The application opens correctly but freezes when attempting to > >use Revolution's XML external > > > -- > WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware games > BIackjack GoId > http://www.gypsyware.com > From luis at anachreon.co.uk Tue Dec 18 04:53:15 2007 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:53:15 +0000 Subject: use-revolution Digest, Vol 51, Issue 23 In-Reply-To: <8e18e80d0712180039i3bfc8d55pb3ebaca543707250@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071217180004.6EC26489446@mail.runrev.com> <8e18e80d0712180039i3bfc8d55pb3ebaca543707250@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7E429EB3-99E4-4753-8367-AEA272E45BA9@anachreon.co.uk> Hiya, Could it be possible they've run an app that strips UBs of the non- native side? I've seen a package that does this but I can't recall it's name at the moment. I'm wondering if, once this is done, it leaves the non-native external as there is not a native alternative, but if the app is then told it can run as native (not via Rosetta) then the non-native external causes the mentioned problem. Cheers, Luis. On 18 Dec 2007, at 08:39, kevin oneil wrote: > Hi All, > > Richmond was kind enough to test my software on his PowerPC Leopard > installation and experienced no problems. Therefore, I am inclined to > believe Shari's view now, that the odd Leopard bug is subject to > occurrence > on both PPC and Intel. There also appears to be no type of Mac in > particular > that triggers the bug. So all we know is that occasionally Leopard + > Revolution = incompatibility. > > Shari has had several users report the issue and I have had 3 users > report > the issue. I can't stress enough how important of an issue this in the > shareware business when you have paying customers who report such a > baffling > issue. Can anyone speculate as to what exactly may cause "this > software is > not compatible with this architecture" OS messages when trying to > launch a > Rev standalone? Again, the other issue is that Universal Binary Rev > standalones crash when they use the RevXML external on Leopard. > > Thanks, > > Kevin > > > > Clearly no one else reading this list has experienced this type of > problem. > > >> >> >> I can verify this issue, as I am also having this problem. However, >> mine fails also on Macintels too running Leopard, not just Powermacs. >> I've had SEVERAL user reports of this. No telling how many just fail >> without telling me. My customers are rumbling unhappily, those who >> paid for the software prior to getting a new computer and now cannot >> use it. >> >> Kevin, did you file a Bugzilla report? If so, I will add to it. Let >> me know the bug number. >> >> Ken, I haven't had a chance to try your build, it's tabled until >> after the holidays :-) Just sticking my two cents in that Kevin >> isn't the only one experiencing this. >> >> Shari >> >> >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I have had two users report issues running my Revolution-created >>> software on Leopard. There are two things that have been reported: >>> >>> 1. When the application is launched, the OS returns an error >>> message stating that the software is "not supported on this >>> architecture" >>> 2. The application opens correctly but freezes when attempting to >>> use Revolution's XML external >> >> >> -- >> WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware games >> BIackjack GoId >> http://www.gypsyware.com >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From dave at looktowindward.com Tue Dec 18 04:59:20 2007 From: dave at looktowindward.com (Dave) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:59:20 +0000 Subject: Multi-Tasking on Rev - Was copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I have the same problem but creating a database rather than copying a file. Xavier, you said you split an App into a number of smaller Apps to achieve this, how did you communicate between the Apps? I can see you can use AppleEvents on Mac, but how do you do it on windows? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave On 5 Dec 2007, at 12:34, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: > Hi Klaus, > > Welcome to the "We Need Threads In Rev" club :)) > > The only way to get around this limitation is to write some extra > compiled > applications to do the work to be threaded... > If you remember i just recently split a big application into > smaller parts > because of this too... > > Problem is that one could eat your cpu doing the processing while the > others wait for CPU threads. Even with 4 CPUs... > > Triple the work per thread but oh well... > > How long until CPU safe threads come to rev? Anyone? Anyone? > > cheers > Xavier > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 05/12/2007 13:18:42: > From tkuypers at dmp-int.com Tue Dec 18 05:10:18 2007 From: tkuypers at dmp-int.com (Ton Kuypers) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:10:18 +0100 Subject: Paste data from Excel not working in 2.9.0-dp-2? Message-ID: <83C2CCDC-B5AF-4A69-A345-1BEFF48A1037@dmp-int.com> Hi, In 2.8, I could paste data from Excel, the clipboard contains plain text which I can process and use. Wen using 2.9 the clipboard function returns "image" when I copy something from Excel... Is this a known bug or should I enter it in Bugzilla? I've only tested it on OS X, not sure if it works on Windows... Warm regards, Ton Kuypers Digital Media Partners bvba Tel. +32 (0)477 / 739 530 Fax +32 (0)14 / 71 03 04 http://www.dmp-int.com From xavier.bury at clearstream.com Tue Dec 18 05:20:59 2007 From: xavier.bury at clearstream.com (xavier.bury at clearstream.com) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:20:59 +0100 Subject: Multi-Tasking on Rev - Was copy large files in Rev on Mac In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Dave, The communications is made without communication of any sort. This allows things to be queud like transaction logs for DBs and there is no timeout issues ever. What i did is the following: - One app that generates batch commands in a transaction folder and every 5 generations, launches an agent that executes those (a simple for loop in a batch). The batch commands write a log and then delete themselves. This app stays active all the time. - One app that looks at a log folder for (of all things!) log files - if any are present, processing starts to read the files, process the output and send that to the DBs for later display - this app stays active all the time. - One reporting app, it just reads my DB files and does the reporting, charts, exports if needed, etc... I could have used some socket protocols but in our environment, firewalls rule and those in charge of the firewalls require too much paperwork and time to implement them - if and when they get it right too :) For some other purposes, you could also have your application master clone and launch other applications - thus creating some sort of threads (with a rather heavy overhead for your memory compared to real threads). This was my first idea but the batches do the same much more efficiently. To work with these clones, you would need to create settings files for each clone assuming they recognize their own settings files - such as settings_cloneAppNameID.ini - which is just a text file comprising your parameters - although you could also use arguments when launching it, i haven't tested them... I liked the simple approach of batches... Light, fast and easy to debug thanks to the logs. Just for the sake of it, i also write a transaction log to keep track of what happens each day. Hope that helps Cheers ---------------------=--------------------- Xavier Bury use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 18/12/2007 10:59:20: > Hi, > > I have the same problem but creating a database rather than copying a > file. > > Xavier, you said you split an App into a number of smaller Apps to > achieve this, how did you communicate between the Apps? I can see you > can use AppleEvents on Mac, but how do you do it on windows? > > Thanks a lot > All the Best > Dave > > On 5 Dec 2007, at 12:34, xavier.bury at clearstream.com wrote: > > > Hi Klaus, > > > > Welcome to the "We Need Threads In Rev" club :)) > > > > The only way to get around this limitation is to write some extra > > compiled > > applications to do the work to be threaded... > > If you remember i just recently split a big application into > > smaller parts > > because of this too... > > > > Problem is that one could eat your cpu doing the processing while the > > others wait for CPU threads. Even with 4 CPUs... > > > > Triple the work per thread but oh well... > > > > How long until CPU safe threads come to rev? Anyone? Anyone? > > > > cheers > > Xavier > > > > use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com wrote on 05/12/2007 13:18:42: > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Clearstream Services S.A. 42 Avenue JF Kennedy, L-1855 Luxembourg Soci?t? anonyme is organised with limited liability in the Grand Duchy of Luxembourg R.C.S. 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Legally required information for business correspondence/ Gesetzliche Pflichtangaben fuer Geschaeftskorrespondenz: http://deutsche-boerse.com/letterhead END OF DISCLAIMER From wmb at internettrainer.com Tue Dec 18 05:55:05 2007 From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang Bereuter) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:55:05 +0100 Subject: My Enterprise has been sold. In-Reply-To: <067901c840d6$89da4020$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> References: <846CEB3A-BA6C-4F98-A597-32E5163ADDF2@bellsouth.net> <067901c840d6$89da4020$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> Message-ID: On 17.12.2007, at 18:59, Lynn Fredricks wrote: >> I hope in the year(s) ahead Rev can finally rethink cost of >> renewal for Studio so I wont have to be priced out of >> ownership like I had been with Enterprise. Just a plea. > > Figure out a way to offset the cost by doing a small project for > someone. > Now and then I know Id love to have a project that could do X, and > sometimes > it just doesn't get done because our engineering resources are > strapped or > it isnt central to our overall development. Now if you consider > your time > worth hundreds of dollars an hour, then the cost of upgrading > Studio or > Enterprise is a small proportion of that and you shouldn't have > much to > complain about. But if you arent at that point, then maybe getting > someone > else to pay your upgrade costs is a possibility. Lynn, FOA: make Studio exporting simply(!!) to the two Flash formats. Then you will have millions, which can do do some small projekt for someone (or theirself). Then you(!) can rethink eaysily and relaxed the cost/price of renewal for Studio. (I mentioned the lack of swf export since years.) (Sorry if im not up to date, i m reading the rev list rarely now.) regards wolfgang bereuter ............................... in k?rze: http://www.demel.com http://www.internettrainer.com ............................... Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria Tel: ++43/1/ 479 6410 From andres at bakno.com Tue Dec 18 09:19:38 2007 From: andres at bakno.com (Andres Martinez) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:19:38 -0500 Subject: My Enterprise has been sold. In-Reply-To: References: <846CEB3A-BA6C-4F98-A597-32E5163ADDF2@bellsouth.net> <067901c840d6$89da4020$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Hello Wolfgang A few weeks ago I posted a manual process I used to export a SWF from within my applications. If you are interested write me offlist and I will forward it again to you. Regards, Andres Martinez www.baKno.com On Dec 18, 2007, at 5:55 AM, Wolfgang Bereuter wrote: > > On 17.12.2007, at 18:59, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > >>> I hope in the year(s) ahead Rev can finally rethink cost of >>> renewal for Studio so I wont have to be priced out of >>> ownership like I had been with Enterprise. Just a plea. >> >> Figure out a way to offset the cost by doing a small project for >> someone. >> Now and then I know Id love to have a project that could do X, and >> sometimes >> it just doesn't get done because our engineering resources are >> strapped or >> it isnt central to our overall development. Now if you consider >> your time >> worth hundreds of dollars an hour, then the cost of upgrading >> Studio or >> Enterprise is a small proportion of that and you shouldn't have >> much to >> complain about. But if you arent at that point, then maybe getting >> someone >> else to pay your upgrade costs is a possibility. > > > Lynn, > FOA: make Studio exporting simply(!!) to the two Flash formats. Then > you will have millions, which can do do some small projekt for > someone (or theirself). Then you(!) can rethink eaysily and relaxed > the cost/price of renewal for Studio. (I mentioned the lack of swf > export since years.) > > (Sorry if im not up to date, i m reading the rev list rarely now.) > > regards > wolfgang bereuter > > ............................... > in k?rze: http://www.demel.com > http://www.internettrainer.com > ............................... > Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria > Tel: ++43/1/ 479 6410 > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From kkaufman at snet.net Tue Dec 18 09:22:36 2007 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:22:36 -0500 Subject: TWAIN and RunRev Message-ID: Is it possible to access scanners, etc. via TWAIN from Revolution? Thanks, Kurt From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com Tue Dec 18 09:34:13 2007 From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:34:13 -0600 Subject: TWAIN and RunRev In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4767DA65.7020805@dreamscapesoftware.com> I've been looking for a TWAIN solution for Revolution for quite some time. Unfortunately, the only solution I can find is to use a TWAIN command line interface that costs from $199 to $1,099 for royalty free use. This would be a solution for Windows machines. I don't know about the Mac (it may even be built in). http://www.brothersoft.com/twain-commander-26877.html http://www.burrotech.com/quickscan.php http://www.twain.org/ You may also want to look into SANE, which is some sort of updated version of TWAIN (don't quote me). http://www.ellert.se/twain-sane/ http://www.sane-project.org/ Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com ___________________________________________________________________ Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ Kurt Kaufman wrote: > Is it possible to access scanners, etc. via TWAIN from Revolution? > > Thanks, Kurt > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From kkaufman at snet.net Tue Dec 18 09:38:31 2007 From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:38:31 -0500 Subject: TWAIN and RunRev Message-ID: Thanks, Derek. I'll investigate the links you provided. Kurt From revolution at derbrill.de Tue Dec 18 10:12:24 2007 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 16:12:24 +0100 Subject: German Revolutionboard down for a moment In-Reply-To: <20071217180004.C9AA94894A7@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071217180004.C9AA94894A7@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi all, just wanted to let you know that the german Revolution board http://www.revolutionboard.de is down at the moment. Sorry for the inconvenience to all users. We need to figure out what is happening and I haven?t got hold of our admin as yet. All the best, Malte From pmbrig at comcast.net Fri Dec 7 17:46:58 2007 From: pmbrig at comcast.net (Peter Brigham) Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 17:46:58 -0500 Subject: blendlevel of stack/window Message-ID: <97512901-5773-4CFB-B1BC-6A1B4DD641EA@comcast.net> I'm experimenting with blendlevels, with some success, but it's trial and error, like everything. The docs say that a blendlevel of 0 is transparent, 100 is opaque, and this is true for images and other objects (nifty effects!), but for stacks it's the opposite -- when I set the blendlevel of a stack to 100 it's transparent, and 0 is opaque. I'm fading a splash stack into view with a repeat loop in an openstack handler on card 1, and I have to go back down from 100 rather than up from 0 as I expected for a fade-in. This seems like a bug, no? Mac iBook G4, OSX 10.4.1, Studio 2.8.1 build 471. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ -- Oh, no! Not another learning experience! From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Tue Dec 18 10:54:59 2007 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:54:59 -0500 Subject: TWAIN and RunRev In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Kurt Kaufman wrote: > Is it possible to access scanners, etc. via TWAIN from Revolution? > > Thanks, Kurt I have used a dynamsoft solution for adding TWAIN capability to my apps. The method I used passes scanner params to a command-line exe which can either pass the scan back into Rev via the clipboard or a saved file. With Rev 2.9 the ActiveX control has potential. They have a free trial with code examples in various languages. http://www.dynamsoft.com/Products/TWAIN_Overview.aspx Roger Eller From Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr Tue Dec 18 12:00:26 2007 From: Andre.Bisseret at inria.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q? Andr=E9.Bisseret ?=) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:00:26 +0100 Subject: blendlevel of stack/window In-Reply-To: <97512901-5773-4CFB-B1BC-6A1B4DD641EA@comcast.net> References: <97512901-5773-4CFB-B1BC-6A1B4DD641EA@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Peter, In my doc (dictionnary), I read : Le 7 d?c. 07 ? 23:46, Peter Brigham a ?crit : > I'm experimenting with blendlevels, with some success, but it's > trial and error, like everything. The docs say that a blendlevel of > 0 is transparent, 100 is opaque, Here, in the docs of Rev 2.8.1 (Enterprise) it is : Value: The blendLevel of an object is an integer between zero and 100. By default, the blendLevel property of newly created objects is set to 0. Comments: If an object's blendLevel is zero, the object is fully opaque. If the blendLevel is 100, the object is fully transparent. Values between zero and 100 indicate levels of partial translucency. > and this is true for images and other objects (nifty effects!), but > for stacks it's the opposite -- when I set the blendlevel of a > stack to 100 it's transparent, and 0 is opaque. I'm fading a splash > stack into view with a repeat loop in an openstack handler on card > 1, and I have to go back down from 100 rather than up from 0 as I > expected for a fade-in. This seems like a bug, no? Mac iBook G4, > OSX 10.4.1, Studio 2.8.1 build 471. > The following handler (in the script of the splash stack) works here : ON openStack set the blendlevel of stack "SpashStack" to "0" show stack "SpashStack" wait 2 sec REPEAT while the blendlevel of stack "SpashStack" < 100 set the blendlevel of stack "SpashStack" to (the blendlevel of stack "SpashStack" + 1) wait FOR 1 ticks END repeat open stack "mainStack" END openStack Best regards from Grenoble Andr? From scott at tactilemedia.com Tue Dec 18 12:42:57 2007 From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:42:57 -0800 Subject: blendlevel of stack/window In-Reply-To: <97512901-5773-4CFB-B1BC-6A1B4DD641EA@comcast.net> Message-ID: Recently, Peter Brigham wrote: > I'm experimenting with blendlevels, with some success, but it's trial > and error, like everything. The docs say that a blendlevel of 0 is > transparent, 100 is opaque, and this is true for images and other > objects (nifty effects!), but for stacks it's the opposite Not sure if your docs are written wrong, but blendLevel has always been 0 = no blending 100 = full blending (invisible) You might try using the message box as a test: set the blendLevel of this stack to 20 Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Dec 18 12:43:33 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:43:33 -0800 Subject: System backgrounds in OS X Message-ID: <476806C5.8060607@fourthworld.com> On Windows, setting the backgroundColor of a stack lets it adopt the current system color for window content regions. Alas, I know of no way to do this on OS X. Is there? Historically, I've diligently made an image of the latest OS X striped pattern and set the backgroundPattern of my toplevel windows to that. Now with Leopard the stripes are gone in favor of NeXT-like grey. If we adopted the same convention we have on Windows for OS X we'd be set, so I added this item to the request queue for your voting pleasure: -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Tue Dec 18 13:02:55 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 18:02:55 +0000 Subject: System backgrounds in OS X In-Reply-To: <476806C5.8060607@fourthworld.com> References: <476806C5.8060607@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <72CCE027-5203-41FA-999B-503237EC1E2D@azurevision.co.uk> I'm probably mixing up terminology here, but aren't the windows *content* regions on OS X always white, no matter which version of OS X? Apologies if I've just got the words wrong, and no matter the words, the sentiment is one I agree with... Ian P.S. Your request appears to be a duplicate of ... On 18 Dec 2007, at 17:43, Richard Gaskin wrote: > On Windows, setting the backgroundColor of a stack lets it adopt the > current system color for window content regions. > > Alas, I know of no way to do this on OS X. Is there? > > Historically, I've diligently made an image of the latest OS X > striped pattern and set the backgroundPattern of my toplevel windows > to that. > > Now with Leopard the stripes are gone in favor of NeXT-like grey. > > If we adopted the same convention we have on Windows for OS X we'd > be set, so I added this item to the request queue for your voting > pleasure: > > > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Managing Editor, revJournal > _______________________________________________________ > Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Dec 18 13:24:54 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:24:54 -0800 Subject: System backgrounds in OS X Message-ID: <47681076.2040800@fourthworld.com> Ian Wood wrote: > I'm probably mixing up terminology here, but aren't the windows > *content* regions on OS X always white, no matter which version of OS X? That's a good question. From the user's perspective, the "content region" is where they put their content, be it a drawing space or a field for typing or whatever, separate from any toolbars or other controls which may exist in that window. In this context I'm using "content region" in the generic sense used in Inside Mac, referring to the whole interior of the window below the title bar and within the window's edges. Windows of style modeless, modal, and palette automatically take on the appropriate OS color/pattern one would expect, but toplevel windows in Rev do not, and programmatically it's far simpler to leave document windows in an app as toplevel, and reserve modeless for specialized auxiliary views and/or controls. And on Windows, modeless is a radically different window style altogether, completely unsuitable for documents. What Rev does with making every toplevel stack white is appropriate for drawing applications, which are ironically uniquely difficult to make in Rev as opposed to, say, SuperCard. For more common uses, like forms or really just about anything else, the standard OS appearance would be more appropriate. Frankly it's surprising that support for common native appearance of toplevel windows has been left out of all upgrades to date, even as it's available on Windows. Hopefully a little nudging via votes will see this addressed. Thank you for turning up the original request - I've marked the new one as a duplicate and closed it, referring to the original you found: -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu Tue Dec 18 13:57:41 2007 From: jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu (jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:57:41 -0600 Subject: R click vs L Click In-Reply-To: References: <9AE38C08-CF9A-44B9-BAC4-89C072E638CE@gmail.com> <20071217101727980212.388d3a27@sonsothunder.com> Message-ID: I have been trying to see if I can distinguish which mouse button was used to click on a button but without success. Is this possible and if so is it cross platform? Jim ------------------------------------- James C. Wall, PhD Professor Department of Physical Therapy University of South Alabama 1504 Springhill Avenue, Room 1214 Mobile AL 36604 Phone: (251) 434 3575 Fax: (251) 434 3822 From ambassador at fourthworld.com Tue Dec 18 14:01:38 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:01:38 -0800 Subject: R click vs L Click Message-ID: <47681912.2030309@fourthworld.com> jcwall wrote: > I have been trying to see if I can distinguish which mouse > button was used to click on a button but without success. > Is this possible and if so is it cross platform? Yes and yes. The mouseDown and mouseUp messages are sent with a parameter which tells you which button was pressed to trigger the message. Because UNIX systems commonly have three buttons all three are supported, numbered 1 through 3 from left to right: on mouseDown pButton if pButton = 3 then DoRightClick else doLeftClick end mouseDown -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From revolution at derbrill.de Tue Dec 18 14:02:59 2007 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:02:59 +0100 Subject: R click vs L Click In-Reply-To: <20071218180005.A359F4897CD@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071218180005.A359F4897CD@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Hi, try passing a parameter with mouseUp / mouseDown and the doubles: on mouseUp pBut if pBut=1 then answer "Left click" if pBut=3 then answer "Right click" if pBut=2 then answer "Middle click" end mouseUp Hope that helps, Malte From adrian at clubtype.co.uk Tue Dec 18 14:09:00 2007 From: adrian at clubtype.co.uk (Adrian Williams) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:09:00 +0000 Subject: revFont custom font In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32549E30-7F78-4535-9801-CA36F7866655@clubtype.co.uk> Shari, TrueType files on Mac OSX don't have the ttf extension - just the font name. Mac OS9 can have .ttf. Adrian ______________________ Club Type http://www.clubtype.co.uk On 18 Nov 2007, at 02:38, Shari wrote: >> True Type Fonts (TTFs) should work on both Mac and Windows. > > The Windows version of the fonts is ttf, so I'll go with that. The > Mac version is some sort of importer document, no clue. I was > looking thru my own installed fonts, most of which came with the > computer, and there are several different types installed, > including ttf. > > Now will come the harder choice... which font to choose out of 50 > really cool choices :-) > > Shari > -- > WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware games > BIackjack GoId > http://www.gypsyware.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu Tue Dec 18 14:11:21 2007 From: jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu (jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:11:21 -0600 Subject: R click vs L Click In-Reply-To: References: <20071218180005.A359F4897CD@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Malte: That worked for me on the Mac, so presumably will work on a PC which is two button friendly. Many thanks Jim ------------------------------------- James C. Wall, PhD Professor Department of Physical Therapy University of South Alabama 1504 Springhill Avenue, Room 1214 Mobile AL 36604 Phone: (251) 434 3575 Fax: (251) 434 3822 ----- Original Message ----- From: Malte Brill Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:03 pm Subject: Re: R click vs L Click To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Hi, > > try passing a parameter with mouseUp / mouseDown and the doubles: > > on mouseUp pBut > if pBut=1 then answer "Left click" > if pBut=3 then answer "Right click" > if pBut=2 then answer "Middle click" > end mouseUp > > Hope that helps, > > Malte > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > From devin_asay at byu.edu Tue Dec 18 14:14:36 2007 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 12:14:36 -0700 Subject: R click vs L Click In-Reply-To: References: <9AE38C08-CF9A-44B9-BAC4-89C072E638CE@gmail.com> <20071217101727980212.388d3a27@sonsothunder.com> Message-ID: <532AFD66-4831-4B6D-9F38-FF31E2E1B1C5@byu.edu> Jim, That information gets sent as a paramter with the mouseUp and mouseDown messages. So if you do: on mouseUp pBtnNum -- end mouseUp The mouse button will be in the pBtnNum variable. 1 is left button, 2 is the middle button and 3 is right button. See the dictionary entries for the various mouse click messages for more information. It works on all platforms that support > 1 mouse button, which is pretty much all of them now. HTH Devin On Dec 18, 2007, at 11:57 AM, jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu wrote: > I have been trying to see if I can distinguish which mouse button > was used to click on a button but without success. Is this > possible and if so is it cross platform? > > Jim > > ------------------------------------- > James C. Wall, PhD > Professor > Department of Physical Therapy > University of South Alabama > 1504 Springhill Avenue, Room 1214 > Mobile AL 36604 > Phone: (251) 434 3575 > Fax: (251) 434 3822 > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University From david at openpartnership.net Tue Dec 18 14:47:01 2007 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:47:01 +0000 Subject: RGB colours Message-ID: I want to be able to translate between colorname and rgb tripplets. AFAIK there is still no built in way to do this. In the past I created a lookup array by setting the bgcolor of an object to each of the colornames and retrieving the bgcolor (which used to be an rgb tripplet) - now however I get back the colorname? This seems to have changed from earlier versions? Any ideas? From david at openpartnership.net Tue Dec 18 14:57:06 2007 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:57:06 +0000 Subject: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712032326m6ac6cfafs782318f830231d6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071201180004.A9CED488FF5@mail.runrev.com> <7aa52a210712032326m6ac6cfafs782318f830231d6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Has anyone tried using the Quicktime XML format for the same purpose - I was thinking of giving it a go as it seems to be actually used - ie server side. These are the links I've looked at - though nothing coded yet in Rev: - http://developer.apple.com/documentation/QuickTime/WhatsNewQT5/QT5NewChapt1/chapter_1_section_39.html - http://developer.apple.com/documentation/QuickTime/QT6WhatsNew/Chap1/chapter_1_section_53.html - http://developer.apple.com/documentation/QuickTime/QT4WebPage/samplechap/special-11.html From jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu Tue Dec 18 15:48:05 2007 From: jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu (jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 14:48:05 -0600 Subject: R click vs L Click In-Reply-To: <532AFD66-4831-4B6D-9F38-FF31E2E1B1C5@byu.edu> References: <9AE38C08-CF9A-44B9-BAC4-89C072E638CE@gmail.com> <20071217101727980212.388d3a27@sonsothunder.com> <532AFD66-4831-4B6D-9F38-FF31E2E1B1C5@byu.edu> Message-ID: Devin: Many thanks for the tip. I did actually try the documentation but got hung up on mouseButtonNumber, which is what I thought I would need. As I have read so many times on this list, the answer is usually in the documentation, if you know where to look. Jim ------------------------------------- James C. Wall, PhD Professor Department of Physical Therapy University of South Alabama 1504 Springhill Avenue, Room 1214 Mobile AL 36604 Phone: (251) 434 3575 Fax: (251) 434 3822 ----- Original Message ----- From: Devin Asay Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:15 pm Subject: Re: R click vs L Click To: How to use Revolution > Jim, > > That information gets sent as a paramter with the mouseUp and > mouseDown messages. So if you do: > > on mouseUp pBtnNum > -- > end mouseUp > > The mouse button will be in the pBtnNum variable. 1 is left button, 2 > > is the middle button and 3 is right button. See the dictionary > entries for the various mouse click messages for more information. It > > works on all platforms that support > 1 mouse button, which is pretty > > much all of them now. > > HTH > > Devin > > > On Dec 18, 2007, at 11:57 AM, jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu wrote: > > > I have been trying to see if I can distinguish which mouse button > > was used to click on a button but without success. Is this > > possible and if so is it cross platform? > > > > Jim > > > > ------------------------------------- > > James C. Wall, PhD > > Professor > > Department of Physical Therapy > > University of South Alabama > > 1504 Springhill Avenue, Room 1214 > > Mobile AL 36604 > > Phone: (251) 434 3575 > > Fax: (251) 434 3822 > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > From katir at hindu.org Tue Dec 18 16:18:43 2007 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:18:43 -1000 Subject: Kiosk App to Move Back on Top In-Reply-To: References: <4765C3D5.1020402@hindu.org> Message-ID: <47683933.7080404@hindu.org> Sarah Reichelt wrote: >> If so, how exactly do we do that? Infact I want to actually close >> Safari's Top window (so that the next user comes into Safari with a >> default page) I suppose that will require a touch of applescript. >> (of which I know virtually zero) >> > > Ken, Sarah: Thank you, great... it works! > Here are the Applescripts you will need. Assembe them as usual and "do > using AppleScript". > > To close the top window: > tell application "Safari" > close window 1 > end tell > > To close all windows: > tell application "Safari" > close the windows > end tell > > HTH, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Tue Dec 18 16:20:14 2007 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:20:14 +0100 Subject: Caricature challenge Message-ID: <4768398E.8090004@hrz.uni-kassel.de> On Mon Dec 17, 2007, Ken Ray kray at sonsothunder.com wrote: > The only thing I could > think of would be to make it a multi-step process: > > 1) Take the original image (img "orig"), duplicate it (img "dupe") and > lock its loc. > 2) Set the rect of "dupe" to the same size as the polygon > 3) Make a new image object (img "stretch") that has the same size as > the copy. > 4) Set the imageData of the "stretch" to the imageData of "dupe" > 5) Set the backgroundPattern of the polygon to "stretch" > > This of course couldn't happen dynamically in real time without > stuttering, etc., especially on larger images. I miss SuperCard's > manipulation of pictureData in Revolution (you can do all sorts of > other things too like setting offsets, magnification etc.) - it would > be a great addition to Rev... > > > Ken Ray > Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. In my reply of Nov 29 to thread "Any suggestions on how to "onion skinning"?" I had mentioned some new features of my upcoming release of the "Imagedata Toolkit" - among them "copying - and enlarging or shrinking - and pasting oval or rectangular portions of an image into the same or another image with variable fringe and/or overall blending into the basic image)." I applied this to a photo of a not unknown public figure, the result can be inspected here: . To achieve this I used a number of steps, in which about two of Ken's five steps are applied, but most of which follow a different sequence and are of another nature. The basis for the "copying - and enlarging or shrinking - and pasting oval or rectangular portions of an image" are rects, ovals, and polygons in the form of images with transparent fringes of different sizes. I use a rectangular or oval graphic as a selection tool that can be resized and dragged across the photo to select a portion of it (This selection tool is similar to that used in my "seamless tiles 2" stack). The underlying image - the partially tranparent basic template - is then adjusted in location and size to the selected portion of the photo. At the same time an already existing empty image "newimage" is also set to the selected portion of the image. The imagedata of the selected portion of the photo are then read into the "newimage", and the alphadata of the template are applied to the "newimage". You can then enlarge or shrink "newimage" or leave it as it is and drag it to any place on the photo. You can also flip "newimage". Next step is to integrate the image- and alphadata of "newimage" into the photo, either once or several times at different places. This integration can be applied with variable levels of blending, in addition to the transparent fringe of the template that ensures optimal blending into the photo. If an enlarged portion of "newimage" should have been dragged to a position where it overlaps the rect of the photo, the overlapping parts of "newimage" are then cut off in the process of integration.- For "SmilingBush" I have only used a single oval template. The star - taken from the left side - on his forehead - is partially blended. One of the flags - taken from his lapel - has been flipped.- I hope I do not cause trouble with this attempt of a caricature - as it happens in other parts of the world. Bush is indeed a known public figure and as such often the object of caricatures. Best regards, Wilhelm Sanke From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 16:31:10 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:31:10 +1000 Subject: RGB colours In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2007 5:47 AM, David Bovill wrote: > I want to be able to translate between colorname and rgb tripplets. AFAIK > there is still no built in way to do this. In the past I created a lookup > array by setting the bgcolor of an object to each of the colornames and > retrieving the bgcolor (which used to be an rgb tripplet) - now however I > get back the colorname? This seems to have changed from earlier versions? Here is a function I gleaned from the list a long time ago. function translateColorName pColorName lock screen lock messages create btn "ColorTest" put it into tButtonID set the backcolor of tButtonID to pColorName get the effective backpixel of tButtonID set the backcolor of tButtonID to empty set the backpixel of tButtonID to it put the backcolor of tButtonID into tRGB delete tButtonID return tRGB end translateColorName HTH, Sarah From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue Dec 18 16:42:51 2007 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:42:51 -0800 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <4768398E.8090004@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <4768398E.8090004@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: Seeing that was the first time I'd felt sorry for the guy. Ever. > >I hope I do not cause trouble with this attempt of a caricature - as >it happens in other parts of the world. Bush is indeed a known >public figure and as such often the object of caricatures. > >Best regards, > >Wilhelm Sanke > -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Tue Dec 18 16:45:52 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 21:45:52 +0000 Subject: System backgrounds in OS X In-Reply-To: <47681076.2040800@fourthworld.com> References: <47681076.2040800@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <021CC2C8-A492-40E9-BD42-EE5B7B91CC15@azurevision.co.uk> Thanks for the clarification! Ian On 18 Dec 2007, at 18:24, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Ian Wood wrote: >> I'm probably mixing up terminology here, but aren't the windows >> *content* regions on OS X always white, no matter which version of >> OS X? > > That's a good question. From the user's perspective, the "content > region" is where they put their content, be it a drawing space or a > field for typing or whatever, separate from any toolbars or other > controls which may exist in that window. > > In this context I'm using "content region" in the generic sense used > in Inside Mac, referring to the whole interior of the window below > the title bar and within the window's edges. From tedl at voyager.net Tue Dec 18 20:45:43 2007 From: tedl at voyager.net (Ted) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:45:43 -0500 Subject: Standalone Build Error Message-ID: <003001c841e1$0a3bd700$adfc5f45@egl> Standalone Build Error Mac 0S 10.5 Revolution Version 2.8.1-Build 472 I have a 9 MB project with 450 cards. Everything works fine within the Revolution application environment. But when I attempt to save it as a standalone application, I get an error that stops the build. This happens about two hours into the build, during "Removing development properties..." The error message looks like this: ! There was an error while saving the standalone application. 91,1520,21 77,1520,21 456,1520,8 198,1520,30 181,1520,30 252,1520,1 587,1494,1 241,1494,1 RevCopyExternals 353,0,0 stack "revSaveAsStandalone" of Stack"/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/2.8.1-gm-3/Toolset/revstandalonesettings.rev" 573,299,1 490,294,1 241,294,1 revCreateStandalone 353,0,0 stack "RevSaveAsStandalone" of stack"/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/2.8.1-gm-3/Toolset/ revstandalonesettings.rev" 573,119,1 Does anyone know how I can get the train back on the track? Thanks, Ted From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Tue Dec 18 21:10:59 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:10:59 +1000 Subject: Standalone Build Error In-Reply-To: <003001c841e1$0a3bd700$adfc5f45@egl> References: <003001c841e1$0a3bd700$adfc5f45@egl> Message-ID: > I have a 9 MB project with 450 cards. Everything works fine within the > Revolution application environment. > > But when I attempt to save it as a standalone application, I get an error that > stops the build. This happens about two hours into the build, during "Removing > development properties..." > > The error message looks like this: > > ! There was an error while saving the standalone application. > > 91,1520,21 > 77,1520,21 > 456,1520,8 > 198,1520,30 > 181,1520,30 > 252,1520,1 > 587,1494,1 > 241,1494,1 RevCopyExternals > 353,0,0 stack "revSaveAsStandalone" of Stack"/Applications/Revolution > Enterprise/2.8.1-gm-3/Toolset/revstandalonesettings.rev" > 573,299,1 > 490,294,1 > 241,294,1 revCreateStandalone > 353,0,0 stack "RevSaveAsStandalone" > of stack"/Applications/Revolution Enterprise/2.8.1-gm-3/Toolset/ > revstandalonesettings.rev" > 573,119,1 > The error message translates to "can't find stack". In the standalone settings, do you refer to any other stack? Is the stack where it should be? Are you using any externals and if so, do you have them for all the platforms you are building for. However, a build time of more than 2 hours seems to indicate that something is seriously wrong. While I have never tried to compile a stack with 450 cards, I have built apps with a lot more than 9 MB and they take less than a minute to build. Are you using "Search for required inclusions" or do you select the required inclusions yourself? If you are using the search, I strongly recommend that you turn it off and see if that helps. Cheers, Sarah From revolution at derbrill.de Wed Dec 19 02:19:29 2007 From: revolution at derbrill.de (Malte Brill) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:19:29 +0100 Subject: German Revolutionboard down for a moment In-Reply-To: <20071218180005.A359F4897CD@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071218180005.A359F4897CD@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <06B192E8-DD26-4309-9EF4-197DB6517C3F@derbrill.de> http://www.revolutionboard.de Up and running again. Thanks to Sascha for all the hard work. All the best, Malte From chipp at chipp.com Wed Dec 19 02:32:34 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 01:32:34 -0600 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <4768398E.8090004@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <4768398E.8090004@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712182332r5985ebb1o9991ecf4a90bb4a@mail.gmail.com> Wilhelm, Perhaps you may find it humorous making fun of another country's leader. Obviously, Stephen did. Some of us who live in Texas, don't share your beliefs, and find this forum NOT the correct place for such foolishness. And anyone telling me to "lighten up" about something I feel strongly about is certainly even more disrespecting. I would never do a similar thing to your country's leader-- and even if I did, I certainly wouldn't find myself posting it here on this forum. I would suggest you get a blog and post your nonsense there. -Chipp From chipp at chipp.com Wed Dec 19 03:26:22 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:26:22 -0600 Subject: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO In-Reply-To: References: <20071201180004.A9CED488FF5@mail.runrev.com> <7aa52a210712032326m6ac6cfafs782318f830231d6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712190026v20783e82u573daf499b10da38@mail.gmail.com> Not sure about the third link, but the first two links have a javascript popup which says: "The information in this document is obsolete and should not be used for new development." From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net Wed Dec 19 04:59:13 2007 From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic THEBAULT) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:59:13 +0100 Subject: How download revolution 2.9 beta ? Message-ID: Hello ! I sign up for the beta test of revolution 2.9, two weeks ago at http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php I've only received the "Welcome to the Revolution Beta Test Program" mail. No news since... It's a "bug" or it's normal ? Thanks. I want to profit from my holidays to test this new version. From dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk Wed Dec 19 05:49:22 2007 From: dave.cragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:49:22 +0000 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712182332r5985ebb1o9991ecf4a90bb4a@mail.gmail.com> References: <4768398E.8090004@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <7aa52a210712182332r5985ebb1o9991ecf4a90bb4a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7DFE040D-3884-4849-BD6B-91A30815C50F@lacscentre.co.uk> On 19 Dec 2007, at 07:32, Chipp Walters wrote: > I would never do a similar thing to your country's leader-- and > even if I > did, I certainly wouldn't find myself posting it here on this forum. > > I would suggest you get a blog and post your nonsense there. Chipp Wilhelm explained his reasons for selecting Bush. "Bush is indeed a known public figure and as such often the object of caricatures." He obviously misjudged sensitivities on this. I would have done the same. In Eurpoe, people who seek public office or public attention are generally considered fair game for caricature. The world's most public figure is the fairest of game. Dave From david at openpartnership.net Wed Dec 19 07:23:23 2007 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:23:23 +0000 Subject: QT + SMIL = BAD COMBO In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712190026v20783e82u573daf499b10da38@mail.gmail.com> References: <20071201180004.A9CED488FF5@mail.runrev.com> <7aa52a210712032326m6ac6cfafs782318f830231d6d@mail.gmail.com> <7aa52a210712190026v20783e82u573daf499b10da38@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes - I wander if they work though - ie in terms of exporting to standalone QuickTime - Id put more money on them than SMIL. I am not sure how much the XML import engine and the corresponding media links (.qtl) are still used / part of any QuickTime future. It may be worth looking at on the grounds that it is the only (easy and fast) technology I can find which allows (cron/cgi) scripts to generate QuickTime files to be embedded in web pages. I guess that there are a few folks out there doing this - and unlike SMIL relying on it? But it's a guess. On a similar note - I tried to find a way to just create / use reference (non-standalone) movies - a lot slower to create - but the main thing was I could find nothing at all that allows you to figure out what external files / urls these reference movies link to - that is not AppleScript, the enhanced QuickTime external or a bunch of command line tools... I was hoping to use some small QuickTime playable file that you could pass around and use as a bookmark. No joy - once the file is created no way to figure out what file or times it links to! SMIL / .qtl files alow this - if would be great to be able to do this finds how to do this cross platform - or embed metadata into a QuickTime file (not Spotlight). Text tracks? On 19/12/2007, Chipp Walters wrote: > > Not sure about the third link, but the first two links have a javascript > popup which says: > > "The information in this document is obsolete and should not be used for > new > development." > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From david at openpartnership.net Wed Dec 19 07:24:40 2007 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:24:40 +0000 Subject: RGB colours In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now that is a funny script! Thanks Sarah! On 18/12/2007, Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > On Dec 19, 2007 5:47 AM, David Bovill < david at openpartnership.net> wrote: > > I want to be able to translate between colorname and rgb tripplets. > AFAIK > > there is still no built in way to do this. In the past I created a > lookup > > array by setting the bgcolor of an object to each of the colornames and > > > retrieving the bgcolor (which used to be an rgb tripplet) - now however > I > > get back the colorname? This seems to have changed from earlier > versions? > > Here is a function I gleaned from the list a long time ago. > > function translateColorName pColorName > lock screen > lock messages > create btn "ColorTest" > put it into tButtonID > set the backcolor of tButtonID to pColorName > get the effective backpixel of tButtonID > set the backcolor of tButtonID to empty > set the backpixel of tButtonID to it > put the backcolor of tButtonID into tRGB > delete tButtonID > > return tRGB > end translateColorName > > > HTH, > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Wed Dec 19 07:54:33 2007 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:54:33 +0000 Subject: Where and how do you store SQL command Message-ID: Hi, i have to read data from a MS SQL Server under Windows using ODBC My select statement is about 60 lines in size. I created a text field and put the sql commands in it. Is there a better way to do this? Where would you store that statement? In the rev script? If so, how would you store the command there. Or is it better to store it in an external text file. Regards, Matthias Rebbe From klaus at major-k.de Wed Dec 19 07:56:46 2007 From: klaus at major-k.de (Klaus Major) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:56:46 +0100 Subject: Where and how do you store SQL command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58D68DDE-CAA2-469E-B293-CB4C98A6988B@major-k.de> Hi Matthias, > Hi, > > i have to read data from a MS SQL Server under Windows using ODBC > My select statement is about 60 lines in size. I created a text > field and put the sql commands in it. Is there a better way to do > this? > Where would you store that statement? In the rev script? If so, how > would you store the command there. Or is it better to store it in > an external text file. what about using a nice custom property? :-) > Regards, > > Matthias Rebbe Regards Klaus Major klaus at major-k.de http://www.major-k.de From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Wed Dec 19 08:08:13 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:08:13 +0000 Subject: Where and how do you store SQL command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <845E5488-27F9-416B-9653-889A1ABE2A52@azurevision.co.uk> On 19 Dec 2007, at 12:54, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > My select statement is about 60 lines in size. I created a text > field and put the sql commands in it. Is there a better way to do > this? > Where would you store that statement? Personally I tend to put really long selects (and AppleScripts) in text fields on a hidden stack, as it makes it extremely easy to edit them in the future. Especially with AppleScript this is handy as you can copy-and-paste between the Rev field and Script Editor, keeping the syntax colouring from Script Editor. Many people on the list prefer using custom properties, though. Ian From ambassador at fourthworld.com Wed Dec 19 10:00:52 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:00:52 -0800 Subject: RGB colours Message-ID: <47693224.5020208@fourthworld.com> Sarah Reichelt wrote: > Here is a function I gleaned from the list a long time ago. > > function translateColorName pColorName > lock screen > lock messages > create btn "ColorTest" > put it into tButtonID > set the backcolor of tButtonID to pColorName > get the effective backpixel of tButtonID > set the backcolor of tButtonID to empty > set the backpixel of tButtonID to it > put the backcolor of tButtonID into tRGB > delete tButtonID > return tRGB > end translateColorName Do you know of a way in which that might be modified to use the templateButton rather than a physical button? -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Wed Dec 19 10:32:52 2007 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:32:52 +0000 Subject: sqlite and csv again Message-ID: <200712191532.53066.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Guys, Have you experimented with the sqlite manager plug in for Firefox? This is just totally amazing. It seems to come out with another dot release every few days with more features. The latest does csv imports. So I fired it up, did one, and importing a few thousand records is almost instant. My goodness. I thought sqlitebrowser and tksqlite were very nice, but this thing is absolutely superb, and going places! Peter From mark at maseurope.net Wed Dec 19 10:44:37 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:44:37 +0000 Subject: RGB colours In-Reply-To: <47693224.5020208@fourthworld.com> References: <47693224.5020208@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <8503F070-F38D-4216-BCCA-17C96B35A79A@maseurope.net> It seems like the templateButton/field etc doesn't have a usable backPixel property... This seems to work, though I don't think it's any better than Sarah's. It doesn't need to create any objects, but then the Sarah's could be modified to work the same way. function getRGB cName lock screen put the backcolor of this cd into oldColor set the backcolor of this cd to cName put the effective backpixel of this cd into tRGB put binaryencode("M", tRGB) into tBin repeat for each char i in tBin put chartonum(i) & comma after rgbList end repeat set the backcolor of this cd to oldColor return item 2 to 4 of rgbList end getRGB Interestingly, 'the effective backPixel' in this case returns a decimal representation of the 4 byte pixel as a 4 byte integer. Best, Mark On 19 Dec 2007, at 15:00, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > Here is a function I gleaned from the list a long time ago. > > > > function translateColorName pColorName > > lock screen > > lock messages > > create btn "ColorTest" > > put it into tButtonID > > set the backcolor of tButtonID to pColorName > > get the effective backpixel of tButtonID > > set the backcolor of tButtonID to empty > > set the backpixel of tButtonID to it > > put the backcolor of tButtonID into tRGB > > delete tButtonID > > return tRGB > > end translateColorName > > Do you know of a way in which that might be modified to use the > templateButton rather than a physical button? > > -- > Richard Gaskin > Managing Editor, revJournal > _______________________________________________________ > Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From david at openpartnership.net Wed Dec 19 10:52:48 2007 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:52:48 +0000 Subject: RGB colours In-Reply-To: <8503F070-F38D-4216-BCCA-17C96B35A79A@maseurope.net> References: <47693224.5020208@fourthworld.com> <8503F070-F38D-4216-BCCA-17C96B35A79A@maseurope.net> Message-ID: These scripts should work anywhere without creating any objects - first time use creates and custom property set as a two way array. Initialisation is not fully tested - I think this works best as a library stack? --> Colour | Conversion - function colour_NameToRgb colourName -- see also "colour_TranslateName" put the uOPN_ColourArray [colourName] of me into rgbColour if rgbColour is empty then colour_ConstructArray breakpoint return colour_NameToRgb(colourName) else return rgbColour end if end colour_NameToRgb function colour_RgbToName r, g, b if the paramcount = 1 then put item 2 of r into g put item 3 of r into b put item 1 of r into r end if put the uOPN_ColourArray [r,g,b] of me into colourName if colourName is empty then colour_ConstructArray breakpoint return colour_RgbToName(r, g, b) else return colourName end if end colour_RgbToName on colour_ConstructArray put the the colornames into colourNames put the backgroundcolor of me into oColour repeat for each line colourName in colourNames -- set the backgroundcolor of me to colourName -- put the backgroundcolor of me into rgbColour put colour_TranslateName(colourName) into rgbColour set the uOPN_ColourArray [rgbColour] of me to colourName set the uOPN_ColourArray [colourName] of me to rgbColour end repeat set the backgroundcolor of me to oColour end colour_ConstructArray function colour_TranslateName pColorName lock screen lock messages put the backcolor of me into oColorName put the backpixel of me into oBackPixel set the backcolor of me to pColorName get the effective backpixel of me set the backcolor of me to empty set the backpixel of me to it put the backcolor of me into tRGB -- set the backpixel of me to oBackPixel set the backcolor of me to oColorName return tRGB end colour_TranslateName From R.Beynon at liverpool.ac.uk Wed Dec 19 11:29:48 2007 From: R.Beynon at liverpool.ac.uk (Beynon, Rob) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:29:48 -0000 Subject: Looking for inspiration Message-ID: <08DA90FD83D9AF40ADC882D28C63C74D99370A@EVSSTAFF1.livad.liv.ac.uk> I'm writing tools that bash their way through thousands of lines of input text, and do some processing. I'd like to have a progress indicator displayed (and indeed, live the tm dials, in particular, that I just got for Xmas!). But, how does one write a routine to indicate progress without imposing a penalty at each iteration? If I include the "line": Display the progress bar for number of lines processed/ total number of lines Than this has as many iterations as lines. I guess, if there has to be something in the main loop it should be fast, and then send a message to an externally progress display routine? Is there a sneaky/subtle way around this? Thoughts appreciated ________________________________ Prof R J Beynon Proteomics and Functional Genomics Group Faculty of Veterinary Science University of Liverpool Crown Street, Liverpool L69 7ZJ ________________________________ Phone: +44 151 794 4312 Fax: +44 151 794 4243 Email: r.beynon at liv.ac.uk http://www.liv.ac.uk/pfg ________________________________ This email was sent on 12/19/07 at 4:33 PM by Rob Beynon. From mark at maseurope.net Wed Dec 19 11:43:32 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:43:32 +0000 Subject: Looking for inspiration In-Reply-To: <08DA90FD83D9AF40ADC882D28C63C74D99370A@EVSSTAFF1.livad.liv.ac.uk> References: <08DA90FD83D9AF40ADC882D28C63C74D99370A@EVSSTAFF1.livad.liv.ac.uk> Message-ID: <7DE3EBF8-01AB-4F2F-8044-7BB366AC34DA@maseurope.net> One way to cut down the amount of overhead of updating progress bars and the like, is to only update them every so often: repeat for each line L in some BigList add 1 to c if c mod 50 = 0 then set the thumbPos of sb "progressBar" to c Of course, you're adding the overhead of maintaining a counter, and doing 1 modulo division for each iteration, but this is insignificant compared to updating a progress bar, and you can use whatever number of iterations produces the best balance of visual feedback/efficiency for your needs. Best, Mark On 19 Dec 2007, at 16:29, Beynon, Rob wrote: > I'm writing tools that bash their way through thousands of lines of > input text, and do some processing. > > I'd like to have a progress indicator displayed (and indeed, live > the tm dials, in particular, that I just got for Xmas!). > > > > But, how does one write a routine to indicate progress without > imposing a penalty at each iteration? If I include the "line": > > > > Display the progress bar for number of lines processed/ total > number of lines > > > > Than this has as many iterations as lines. > > > > I guess, if there has to be something in the main loop it should be > fast, and then send a message to an externally progress display > routine? > > > > Is there a sneaky/subtle way around this? > > Thoughts appreciated > > > > ________________________________ > > Prof R J Beynon > Proteomics and Functional Genomics Group > Faculty of Veterinary Science > University of Liverpool > Crown Street, Liverpool L69 7ZJ > > > ________________________________ > > Phone: +44 151 794 4312 > > Fax: +44 151 794 4243 > > Email: r.beynon at liv.ac.uk > > http://www.liv.ac.uk/pfg > > ________________________________ > > > > This email was sent on 12/19/07 at 4:33 PM by Rob Beynon. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Wed Dec 19 11:47:51 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:47:51 -0800 Subject: Where and how do you store SQL command In-Reply-To: <845E5488-27F9-416B-9653-889A1ABE2A52@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: On 12/19/07 5:08 AM, "Ian Wood" wrote: > Personally I tend to put really long selects (and AppleScripts) in > text fields on a hidden stack, as it makes it extremely easy to edit > them in the future. Editing custom properties is just as easy as a field (in fact better) by doing this: Let's say you wanted to store an Applescript in a custom property called "useBBEditTextFactory02" in a stack, any stack. open the stack inspector palette (menu Object:Stack Inspector) choose "Custom Properties" then click the top "+" type "useBBEditTextFactory02" click OK now the lower pane allows pasting and editing of text Then move the palette to the upper left corner of your monitor, grab the lower right corner of the palette, drag to make it full screen. You now have a gigantic, resizing field. In fact, you are using a Rev field that has been placed on the palette stack by the Rev team as part of the Development Environment (IDE). Just copy.paste.edit as normal. One downside is that you don't keep the formatting and coloring. Another is that you can only look at one property at a time, vs fields that can be side by side, etc. I have used dynamic fields in that on close field become thumbnails, and on enter resize and relocate. So if you don't care about the coloring, custom properties are easy to edit using a real Rev field and they can stay in the main stack. Jim Ault Las Vegas On 12/19/07 5:08 AM, "Ian Wood" wrote: > > On 19 Dec 2007, at 12:54, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > >> My select statement is about 60 lines in size. I created a text >> field and put the sql commands in it. Is there a better way to do >> this? >> Where would you store that statement? > > Personally I tend to put really long selects (and AppleScripts) in > text fields on a hidden stack, as it makes it extremely easy to edit > them in the future. Especially with AppleScript this is handy as you > can copy-and-paste between the Rev field and Script Editor, keeping > the syntax colouring from Script Editor. > > Many people on the list prefer using custom properties, though. > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From tvogelaar at de-mare.nl Wed Dec 19 12:35:38 2007 From: tvogelaar at de-mare.nl (Terry Vogelaar) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 18:35:38 +0100 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <20071219155256.E2D1E4897E9@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071219155256.E2D1E4897E9@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: I all, I agree with Dave that Wilhelm probably never intended to make a political statement about Bush with his picture. Overhere in Europe it is totally OK to make fun of people, whether we respect them or not. In fact, I started this thread because I get a lot of requests from guys who want to have a caricature of themselves. Most of them because they have seen my self portret at http://terryv.hyves.nl/fotos/100011903//i8yH/ I hope this helps to settle it for Chipp (and others that felt offended) and that it avoids stirring up a discussion on politics etc. It is just a cultural thing; a difference between US culture and the more egalitarian European approach. It doesn't have much to do with (dis)respecting others, although I can imagine it felt like that. To bring this back to the topic, I am very curious, Wilhelm, how you did this with RunRev. Could you please mail me an example stack to use the imagedata toolkit? Alternatively, where can I find more info? (I use the beta of 2.9). Thanks in advance. Terry Op 19 dec 2007, om 16:52 heeft Wilhelm Sanke het volgende geschreven: > In my reply of Nov 29 to thread "Any suggestions on how to "onion > skinning"?" I had mentioned some new features of my upcoming release > of > the "Imagedata Toolkit" - among them > > "copying - and enlarging or shrinking - and pasting oval or > rectangular > portions of an image into the same or another image with variable > fringe > and/or overall blending into the basic image)." > > I applied this to a photo of a not unknown public figure, the result > can > be inspected here: > > . > > To achieve this I used a number of steps, in which about two of Ken's > five steps are applied, but most of which follow a different sequence > and are of another nature. > > The basis for the "copying - and enlarging or shrinking - and pasting > oval or rectangular portions of an image" are rects, ovals, and > polygons in the form of images with transparent fringes of different > sizes. > > I use a rectangular or oval graphic as a selection tool that can be > resized and dragged across the photo to select a portion of it (This > selection tool is similar to that used in my "seamless tiles 2" > stack). > The underlying image - the partially tranparent basic template - is > then > adjusted in location and size to the selected portion of the photo. > At the same time an already existing empty image "newimage" is also > set > to the selected portion of the image. > The imagedata of the selected portion of the photo are then read > into > the "newimage", and the alphadata of the template are applied to the > "newimage". > > You can then enlarge or shrink "newimage" or leave it as it is and > drag it to any place on the photo. You can also flip "newimage". > > Next step is to integrate the image- and alphadata of "newimage" into > the photo, either once or several times at different places. This > integration can be applied with variable levels of blending, in > addition to the transparent fringe of the template that ensures > optimal > blending into the photo. > > If an enlarged portion of "newimage" should have been dragged to a > position where it overlaps the rect of the photo, the overlapping > parts > of "newimage" are then cut off in the process of integration.- > > For "SmilingBush" I have only used a single oval template. The star - > taken from the left side - on his forehead - is partially blended. One > of the flags - taken from his lapel - has been flipped.- > > I hope I do not cause trouble with this attempt of a caricature - as > it > happens in other parts of the world. Bush is indeed a known public > figure and as such often the object of caricatures. > > Best regards, > > Wilhelm Sanke From mfstuart at cox.net Wed Dec 19 12:40:31 2007 From: mfstuart at cox.net (mfstuart) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 09:40:31 -0800 (PST) Subject: WAS: store SQL command. Now: wishful IDE In-Reply-To: References: <845E5488-27F9-416B-9653-889A1ABE2A52@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <14421707.post@talk.nabble.com> All, Actually this brings up something that I've been wanting for some time in RunRev: A resource list view or explorer - where I have added and can now see a list of all and any resource object that I've added for the application. Such as images, icons, SQL scripts, text files, etc. - I hope you get the idea. The Application Browser has some of this, such as stacks, cards, AudioClips, and VideoClips. So the list structure is there in the Application Browser. IDE's such as Eclipse and .NET have this explorer already. This list structure (object explorer) would facilitate adding and editing of these objects. They would be applied to the interface with drag and drop capabilities onto an object such as a card. So for right now I have to go through out different menus and palettes to view these objects. Maybe in a future version there could be this true IDE - "INTEGRATED" DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT. On the other hand, is it possible to build such a palette mentioned above, in RunRev for RunRev? Regards, Mark Stuart Jim Ault wrote: > > On 12/19/07 5:08 AM, "Ian Wood" wrote: >> Personally I tend to put really long selects (and AppleScripts) in >> text fields on a hidden stack, as it makes it extremely easy to edit >> them in the future. > > Editing custom properties is just as easy as a field (in fact better) by > doing this: > > Let's say you wanted to store an Applescript in a > custom property called "useBBEditTextFactory02" > in a stack, any stack. > > open the stack inspector palette > (menu Object:Stack Inspector) > choose "Custom Properties" > then click the top "+" > type "useBBEditTextFactory02" > click OK > now the lower pane allows pasting and editing of text > > Then move the palette to the upper left corner of your monitor, grab the > lower right corner of the palette, drag to make it full screen. > > You now have a gigantic, resizing field. In fact, you are using a Rev > field > that has been placed on the palette stack by the Rev team as part of the > Development Environment (IDE). Just copy.paste.edit as normal. > > One downside is that you don't keep the formatting and coloring. > Another is that you can only look at one property at a time, vs fields > that > can be side by side, etc. I have used dynamic fields in that on close > field > become thumbnails, and on enter resize and relocate. > > So if you don't care about the coloring, custom properties are easy to > edit > using a real Rev field and they can stay in the main stack. > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas > > On 12/19/07 5:08 AM, "Ian Wood" wrote: > >> >> On 19 Dec 2007, at 12:54, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: >> >>> My select statement is about 60 lines in size. I created a text >>> field and put the sql commands in it. Is there a better way to do >>> this? >>> Where would you store that statement? >> >> Personally I tend to put really long selects (and AppleScripts) in >> text fields on a hidden stack, as it makes it extremely easy to edit >> them in the future. Especially with AppleScript this is handy as you >> can copy-and-paste between the Rev field and Script Editor, keeping >> the syntax colouring from Script Editor. >> >> Many people on the list prefer using custom properties, though. >> >> Ian >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Where-and-how-do-you-store-SQL-command-tp14416444p14421707.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From chipp at chipp.com Wed Dec 19 12:46:26 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:46:26 -0600 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <7DFE040D-3884-4849-BD6B-91A30815C50F@lacscentre.co.uk> References: <4768398E.8090004@hrz.uni-kassel.de> <7aa52a210712182332r5985ebb1o9991ecf4a90bb4a@mail.gmail.com> <7DFE040D-3884-4849-BD6B-91A30815C50F@lacscentre.co.uk> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712190946n13399ac9t3519d77cecade7d5@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 19, 2007 4:49 AM, Dave Cragg wrote: > > I would have done the > same. The world's most > public figure is the fairest of game. > > While certainly Jesus Christ and Allah are public figures, I doubt caricatures of either with religious symbols as devils horns would be appropriate for this forum either. The issue isn't whether something is public 'fair game,' but rather it's appropriateness for this list. From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Dec 19 12:54:53 2007 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:54:53 -0600 Subject: Looking for inspiration In-Reply-To: <08DA90FD83D9AF40ADC882D28C63C74D99370A@EVSSTAFF1.livad.liv.ac.uk> References: <08DA90FD83D9AF40ADC882D28C63C74D99370A@EVSSTAFF1.livad.liv.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20071219115453142246.4cfc7ab5@sonsothunder.com> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:29:48 -0000, Beynon, Rob wrote: > I'm writing tools that bash their way through thousands of lines of > input text, and do some processing. > > I'd like to have a progress indicator displayed (and indeed, live the > tm dials, in particular, that I just got for Xmas!). > > > > But, how does one write a routine to indicate progress without > imposing a penalty at each iteration? Richard Gaskin told me of a great way to do that, and the only "penalty" is knowing how many lines you're going to be dealing with *before* you get started. But assuming you know that, here's what you do: 1) Create a progress bar with an endValue of 100 and startValue of 0. 2) Take the total number of lines that you're processing and divide it by 100 (rounding of course) to determine how many lines you need to process before you increment the progress bar by one (I call this the "progress chunk"). 3) During processing, increment a counter variable for each line, and if " mod = 0" then increment the progress bar. Something like: on ProcessData pData put the number of lines of pData into tMaxLines put round(tMaxLines/100) into tProgChunk put 0 into tCounter put 0 into tThumbPos repeat for each line tLine in pData add 1 to tCounter if tCounter mod tProgChunk = 0 then add 1 to tThumbPos set the thumbPos of sb "Progress" to tThumbPos end if -- process your data here end repeat end ProcessData Obviously you can "scale" this if the granularity you'd like to show is less than 1% of the overall total at a time, but I haven't really found a need for that... Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From randall at randallreetz.com Wed Dec 19 13:11:25 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:11:25 -0800 Subject: Caricature challenge Message-ID: <20071219181127.FDMT10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Will somone please try to remember what it is that makes a secular democracy something so worth all the effort over the last four thousand years. The only thing sacred in a post magna carta world is the freedom to be public with ones ideas. Being offended once in a while is a small price to pay for this greatest of freedoms. My heros are certainly too large to need my punny defence of there vissage. I am american and america needs to grow up into the stature of its own great constitution and bill of rights. Embarassing. -----Original Message----- From: "Chipp Walters" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 12/18/2007 11:32 PM Subject: Re: Caricature challenge Wilhelm, Perhaps you may find it humorous making fun of another country's leader. Obviously, Stephen did. Some of us who live in Texas, don't share your beliefs, and find this forum NOT the correct place for such foolishness. And anyone telling me to "lighten up" about something I feel strongly about is certainly even more disrespecting. I would never do a similar thing to your country's leader-- and even if I did, I certainly wouldn't find myself posting it here on this forum. I would suggest you get a blog and post your nonsense there. -Chipp _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From wjm at wjm.org Wed Dec 19 11:12:11 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:12:11 -0500 Subject: How download revolution 2.9 beta ? References: Message-ID: Hello Ludovic, Thank you for signing up! A new beta is coming out very shortly; You'll receive email when it's available. (If not by the end of the week, then sometime next week.) Bill "Ludovic THEBAULT" wrote in message news:CCBEB928-BA66-4E84-B962-12123ED77F70 at laposte.net... > Hello ! > > I sign up for the beta test of revolution 2.9, two weeks ago at > http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php > I've only received the "Welcome to the Revolution Beta Test Program" > mail. > > No news since... > > It's a "bug" or it's normal ? > > > Thanks. I want to profit from my holidays to test this new version. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Wed Dec 19 13:26:39 2007 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:26:39 -0800 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: References: <20071219155256.E2D1E4897E9@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <02ae01c8426c$b2796320$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> > I agree with Dave that Wilhelm probably never intended to > make a political statement about Bush with his picture. > Overhere in Europe it is totally OK to make fun of people, > whether we respect them or not. I think everyone is in agreement that this list isnt the place for that. In fact, given the number of international clergy and political activists on this list, it is remarkable how well we've been able to maintain the peace and focus on the technology. In my businesses, we have offices throughout the world, and a very broad range of cultures. When it comes to very sensitive topics like politics and religion - it simply isnt discussed. In the late 80's, I began living in Japan, and lived there continuously for about six years. Any expat living there quickly learns the old addage in Japan - "the nail that sticks up gets knocked down". Of course as a knuckle-dragging barbarian, I was an awfully big nail at first, and to me, this translated to "when in doubt, shut up". What is also interesting is that, if you are together in a group and knocking back quite a bit of sake or shochu or your local beeru, slips are permitted and forgiven. Anyway - ones's notion of the application of freedom of speech varies culture to culture. And as far as I can tell, its possible to politely respect differences in how that is applied. There's a universal norm that, in almost any culture, if you say something that offends grandmother, even though its legally okay to say it, you can and will get wacked upside the head by an umbrella, huge brockaded hand bag, tray of cookies, rolled up newspaper, presto log, or maybe a week old baguette. Let's let the spirit of grandma prevail, especially since we do not know what Heather List Mom is carrying around :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From wjm at wjm.org Wed Dec 19 12:30:30 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:30:30 -0500 Subject: How download revolution 2.9 beta ? References: Message-ID: [Apologies if this appears twice] Hello Ludovic, Thank you for signing up! A new beta is coming out very shortly; You'll receive email when it's available. (If not by the end of the week, then sometime next week.) Bill Ludovic THEBAULT wrote... > I sign up for the beta test of revolution 2.9, two weeks ago at > http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php > I've only received the "Welcome to the Revolution Beta Test Program" > mail. > > No news since... > > It's a "bug" or it's normal ? > > Thanks. I want to profit from my holidays to test this new version. From randall at randallreetz.com Wed Dec 19 14:39:39 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:39:39 -0800 Subject: Caricature challenge Message-ID: <20071219193941.IWIF10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> I ask you this Lynn, what is more offennsive, speaking an uncomfortable opinion, or defending politness over and above the right to publically expose one's ideas? There are by definition lots of polite people in every oppressive culture... (the rest are in prison, dead, marginalized, or admonished into servitude). Be careful which you serve, polite ain't freedom. Polite ain't grace. Your story is about control. Why weren't you offended by the social tyrany of the people "knocking the highest nail down"? We are getting so used to this we are forgetting the difference that matters. I for one am very very thankful for those who heeded a higher goal, people like ghandi and martin luther king and lincoln and the guy who stood in front of the tank in china. These people acted under a larger definition of the word polite. Randall -----Original Message----- From: "Lynn Fredricks" To: "'How to use Revolution'" Sent: 12/19/2007 10:26 AM Subject: RE: Caricature challenge > I agree with Dave that Wilhelm probably never intended to > make a political statement about Bush with his picture. > Overhere in Europe it is totally OK to make fun of people, > whether we respect them or not. I think everyone is in agreement that this list isnt the place for that. In fact, given the number of international clergy and political activists on this list, it is remarkable how well we've been able to maintain the peace and focus on the technology. In my businesses, we have offices throughout the world, and a very broad range of cultures. When it comes to very sensitive topics like politics and religion - it simply isnt discussed. In the late 80's, I began living in Japan, and lived there continuously for about six years. Any expat living there quickly learns the old addage in Japan - "the nail that sticks up gets knocked down". Of course as a knuckle-dragging barbarian, I was an awfully big nail at first, and to me, this translated to "when in doubt, shut up". What is also interesting is that, if you are together in a group and knocking back quite a bit of sake or shochu or your local beeru, slips are permitted and forgiven. Anyway - ones's notion of the application of freedom of speech varies culture to culture. And as far as I can tell, its possible to politely respect differences in how that is applied. There's a universal norm that, in almost any culture, if you say something that offends grandmother, even though its legally okay to say it, you can and will get wacked upside the head by an umbrella, huge brockaded hand bag, tray of cookies, rolled up newspaper, presto log, or maybe a week old baguette. Let's let the spirit of grandma prevail, especially since we do not know what Heather List Mom is carrying around :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at chipp.com Wed Dec 19 15:22:53 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:22:53 -0600 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <20071219193941.IWIF10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20071219193941.IWIF10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712191222o4d003a44ub719959b91f4b8e7@mail.gmail.com> Randall, As one who has been here for many, many years, and tries to abide by Lynn's golden rule, I would ask you consider subscribing to a list somewhere where your politics and ideas are readily discussed and debated. No one is taking issue with your politics, only that this is NOT the forum to discuss them. From jim at d-film.com Wed Dec 19 15:27:49 2007 From: jim at d-film.com (Jim Kanter) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:27:49 -0500 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <20071219193941.IWIF10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20071219193941.IWIF10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: To paraphrase Mark Twain, it's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool than open it and remove all doubt. As much as I enjoy and defend freedom of speech let's return the bandwidth away from what's revolting to what's Revolution. Peace on Earth and good will to all. From chipp at chipp.com Wed Dec 19 15:31:27 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:31:27 -0600 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <6F1A6BE1-04DA-42FF-ACAB-5CA60865B732@de-mare.nl> References: <20071207180004.806F6489D3C@mail.runrev.com> <6F1A6BE1-04DA-42FF-ACAB-5CA60865B732@de-mare.nl> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712191231l1f1b038fgf4e6859641fed4f9@mail.gmail.com> Terry, You are welcome to check out some of my imageData example stacks and toolkits at: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm I have seen the videos you shared, and while they are very interesting, I think you'll find it difficult to distort imageData the way you want to in Rev without an external. Wilhelm's toolkit, while very complete and in it's right a wonderful set of scripts, isn't setup to do this sort of thing. In fact, part of the basis of his original toolkit were derived from some convolution matrix code I had generated years ago. best, Chipp From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Wed Dec 19 16:26:16 2007 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:26:16 -0800 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <20071219193941.IWIF10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20071219193941.IWIF10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <037d01c84285$caa28030$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> > I ask you this Lynn, what is more offennsive, speaking an > uncomfortable opinion, or defending politness over and above > the right to publically expose one's ideas? There are by > definition lots of polite people in every oppressive > culture... (the rest are in prison, dead, marginalized, or > admonished into servitude). Be careful which you serve, > polite ain't freedom. Polite ain't grace. Your story is > about control. Why weren't you offended by the social tyrany > of the people "knocking the highest nail down"? We are > getting so used to this we are forgetting the difference that > matters. I for one am very very thankful for those who > heeded a higher goal, people like ghandi and martin luther > king and lincoln and the guy who stood in front of the tank > in china. These people acted under a larger definition of > the word polite. Randall, I had a fairly viceral reaction at first to situations that wouldn't sit right in the US - but in time I learned that exposing ones ideas was possible, it just had to take a different route to be gain meaningful acceptance in the group. Knowing significantly more about Japanese culture has made me a lot more critical about specific institutions as well, and also more knowledgable about getting what I wanted (and no culture is perfect with that). What is polite or not is governed by the norms of the venue - written laws and unwritten and rarely spoken norms of the groupshare. Im not saying that you wont find polite tyrrants in the world, only that politeness can exist *without* tyrrany - and it sure helps in getting what you want out of life. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From randall at randallreetz.com Wed Dec 19 16:32:38 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 13:32:38 -0800 Subject: Caricature challenge Message-ID: <20071219213240.OFML25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> These aren't political views, they are the reason we can have views at all. What was political was the original message that cried offence to a (caricature of all things). Nuf said. -----Original Message----- From: "Chipp Walters" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 12/19/2007 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Caricature challenge Randall, As one who has been here for many, many years, and tries to abide by Lynn's golden rule, I would ask you consider subscribing to a list somewhere where your politics and ideas are readily discussed and debated. No one is taking issue with your politics, only that this is NOT the forum to discuss them. _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at chipp.com Wed Dec 19 17:18:51 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 16:18:51 -0600 Subject: Kiosk App to Move Back on Top In-Reply-To: <47683933.7080404@hindu.org> References: <4765C3D5.1020402@hindu.org> <47683933.7080404@hindu.org> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712191418y7cb38b85yaf0f2533ad181504@mail.gmail.com> Nice! It should go into Ken's tips page. (wishing WinXP and Vista had Applescript) From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Wed Dec 19 17:45:05 2007 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 14:45:05 -0800 Subject: Valentina Upgrade from SuperBundle Message-ID: <038801c84290$cd0f3970$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> Hello all, If you have purchased the SuperBundle, you know that there is a special upgrade offer to the most current Valentina for Revolution Advanced with a very significant savings. Enough people have asked about VDN Platform Edition (Revolution) that we've made it possible to apply the discount instead to this product - effectively saving you $250. If the download information you received did not include the VDN option and you are interested in it, please contact me offline and Ill get that information to you. There is a group of people who have not received their codes yet (as of yesterday) - my understanding is that those codes will go out today, and the VDN information will be included on your emailer. Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Paradigma Software http://www.paradigmasoft.com Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server From bvg at mac.com Wed Dec 19 19:57:44 2007 From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:57:44 +0100 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <20071219213240.OFML25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20071219213240.OFML25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: I personally find the controverses that crop up on the use list about 4 or 5 times per year very refreshing. It's fun to read how people react, and tells me more about list participants then even a decade of technical posts. Said that, it is of course the scarcity of these "happenings" that make them fun, it's like having politics not all year round, but only on a few selected dates. Talking about politics, the outcries never start with political (or controversical) stuff, but only a follow up makes them controverses. Interestingly most of the time these follow ups are sarcastic or joking one liners... maybe list mom should just ban one line replies? I remember when someone asked about how the documentation wasn't exactly to his liking ("why isn't this properly documented?"), and it spawned more then fifty posts about business practices, prioritizing and even one or two documentation projects (they of course died in less time then the thread itself lasted). Maybe I should assemble a "best off-topic controversies on the use rev list" on a website, that'd be fun to read in a few years :D have fun Bjoernke -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev" From ajrush at mac.com Wed Dec 19 19:59:51 2007 From: ajrush at mac.com (Adam J. Rush) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:59:51 -0500 Subject: changing object coordinates functional in Rev but not standalone Message-ID: <8E6B70FA-3194-43C4-9E73-D7AF5B5DE300@mac.com> I have a script which changes the XY coordinates of some objects on a card on the main stack. It works fine in Rev, but in the standalone nothing happens. There don't seem to be any other problems with the standalone. Anyone have any insights? Thanks, AJ Rush From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Dec 19 20:40:07 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:40:07 +0800 Subject: sqlite and csv again In-Reply-To: <200712191532.53066.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200712191532.53066.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: On Dec 19, 2007 11:32 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > Have you experimented with the sqlite manager plug in for Firefox? No, so thanks very much for the link:-) Which version of Firefox are your running? I'm on 2.0.0.8. From bvg at mac.com Wed Dec 19 20:52:42 2007 From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:52:42 +0100 Subject: sqlite and csv again In-Reply-To: References: <200712191532.53066.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <6F183CDC-F830-42EA-8BE0-99CEDFC4476D@mac.com> There is no link... Instead of clicking the link, you have to click yourself. Only then will you succeed. (In firefox: Menu "Tools", then "Add-ons", now click the link at the bottom right, enter "sqlite" into the search box, first entry should be it: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/5817 ) On 20 Dec 2007, at 02:40, Kay C Lan wrote: > On Dec 19, 2007 11:32 PM, Peter Alcibiades > > wrote: > >> >> Have you experimented with the sqlite manager plug in for Firefox? > > > No, so thanks very much for the link:-) > > Which version of Firefox are your running? I'm on 2.0.0.8. -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev" From luis at anachreon.co.uk Wed Dec 19 21:40:23 2007 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 02:40:23 +0000 Subject: Valentina Upgrade from SuperBundle In-Reply-To: <038801c84290$cd0f3970$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> References: <038801c84290$cd0f3970$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <4769D617.9030708@anachreon.co.uk> Hiya, I am currently having an issue with this. I have received the offer to upgrade, seeing as Valentina came with the bundle, the offer appears worth it to test the database in its current incarnation. Sadly both the Myrie and ParadigmaSoft websites do not have HTTPS in the credit card details page (Myrie also lacks this in the registration screen, which is required in order to effect the coupon code). Myrie states that this is to be implemented. I am surprised that ParadigmaSoft has not done so by now. Worrying still is the rotating banner on the site that suggests you click it (American Express/Visa) to verify the site's security: There is no link. I have been in email conversation with someone at Myrie, and at the moment the only option appears to be to pay them via Paypal if one would wish to keep the transaction secure (I'm considering the option). I have forwarded my concerns to ParadigmaSoft, but no reply as yet. I hope this is not too OT for this list, as I am sure many of you are just as concerned when making online purchases. Cheers, Luis. Lynn Fredricks wrote: > Hello all, > > If you have purchased the SuperBundle, you know that there is a special > upgrade offer to the most current Valentina for Revolution Advanced with a > very significant savings. > > Enough people have asked about VDN Platform Edition (Revolution) that we've > made it possible to apply the discount instead to this product - effectively > saving you $250. > > If the download information you received did not include the VDN option and > you are interested in it, please contact me offline and Ill get that > information to you. > > There is a group of people who have not received their codes yet (as of > yesterday) - my understanding is that those codes will go out today, and the > VDN information will be included on your emailer. > > Best regards, > > Lynn Fredricks > President > Paradigma Software > http://www.paradigmasoft.com > > Valentina SQL Server: The Ultra-fast, Royalty Free Database Server > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Wed Dec 19 22:32:41 2007 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:32:41 -0800 Subject: Valentina Upgrade from SuperBundle In-Reply-To: <4769D617.9030708@anachreon.co.uk> References: <038801c84290$cd0f3970$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> <4769D617.9030708@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: I wish REV headquarters would adopt a PAYPAY option. Its so much easier for the purchaser than the minefield of clicking and entry required with 'WorldPay' or whatever, followed by the dreaded "Verified By Visa" extra step that didn't always work. Is this because of the international nature of the transaction? Each time I tried to buy something from Rev, something would happen with verification and inevitably lead to frustration and wasted time, and Heather had to do something to fix it. Doesn't ease of payment garner more impulse sales? > >I have been in email conversation with someone at Myrie, and at the >moment the only option appears to be to pay them via Paypal if one >would wish to keep the transaction secure (I'm considering the >option). > >I have forwarded my concerns to ParadigmaSoft, but no reply as yet. > >I hope this is not too OT for this list, as I am sure many of you >are just as concerned when making online purchases. > >Cheers, > >Luis. > -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From tedl at voyager.net Wed Dec 19 23:48:00 2007 From: tedl at voyager.net (Ted) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 23:48:00 -0500 Subject: Standalone Build Error Message-ID: <005001c842c3$a9d4a340$03fc5f45@egl> Sarah wrote in part: >> The error message translates to "can't find stack". In the standalone settings, do you refer to any other stack? Are you using any externals and if so, do you have them for all the platforms you are building for. << Thanks for the quick response, Sarah. This project has always been a single stack with no substacks and no externals. The single stack is the only item listed in the standalone builder. >> However, a build time of more than 2 hours seems to indicate that something is seriously wrong. While I have never tried to compile a stack with 450 cards, I have built apps with a lot more than 9 MB and they take less than a minute to build. << The standalone build time may have to do with the number of controls, which is in the thousands. It didn't always take this long; it's grown with the stack. Because I've watched the build time lengthen gradually as I've worked on the stack, it isn't so alarming to me. But the error message is quite alarming, because it stops the entire show. I have done a lot of work since my last standalone build, so I have no way of knowing what events may have created this. >> Are you using "Search for required inclusions" or do you select the required inclusions yourself? << I select the required inclusions myself: "Ask" and "Answer" dialogs and "Cursors." Each time I attempt a build, the error message appears at about the same time into the build. This makes me think it may be glitching on something in one of the cards. A long time ago, with a different project, I had a problem with my builds stopping in SuperCard. In that case, it was easy to diagnose, because the SuperCard standalone builder displayed the card and control it was working on as it made its way through the stack. The build bombed out each time it reached the same button on a certain card. Because the details were frozen in the standalone text field, I knew where the problem was. I went to the card, replaced the button with a fresh one, and the stack built fine from then on. The builder didn't like something about that button. The Revolution builder, on the other hand, gives no indication as to exactly what it's working on. If I'm again experiencing the same kind of problem, it's going to be difficult to find in a stack this size (a needle in a Rev stack). The only reference point I have is that it's happening about two hours into the build. At this point, I am doing this: I created a brand-new stack, and I started pasting cards from the old stack into the new stack. The new stack does build a standalone successfully. However, I want to avoid reconstructing the entire stack in this manner, because I noticed that the ID's of the controls change when the cards are pasted into a new stack. I do have ID references within the stack, and I don't want to create unforeseen problems in a large stack that I very carefully checked as I built it. Also, if there is a bad control somewhere, I will have to do very frequent builds to track down its location. At two hours per build, that could take a long time. At the same time, it may be a totally different problem. Do you have any other ideas or suggestions? Thanks, Ted From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Thu Dec 20 00:26:23 2007 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:26:23 -0800 Subject: Standalone Build Error In-Reply-To: <005001c842c3$a9d4a340$03fc5f45@egl> References: <005001c842c3$a9d4a340$03fc5f45@egl> Message-ID: >However, I want to avoid reconstructing the entire stack in this manner, >because I noticed that the ID's of the controls change when the cards are >pasted into a new stack. I do have ID references within the stack, and I don't >want to create unforeseen problems in a large stack that I very carefully >checked as I built it. perhaps one should use unique names for the objects, and get the ids from the names. get the long id of grp "Bond007" of stack "M" > >Do you have any other ideas or suggestions? > >Thanks, > >Ted -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Dec 20 04:36:59 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 10:36:59 +0100 Subject: changing object coordinates functional in Rev but not standalone In-Reply-To: <8E6B70FA-3194-43C4-9E73-D7AF5B5DE300@mac.com> References: <8E6B70FA-3194-43C4-9E73-D7AF5B5DE300@mac.com> Message-ID: <60C47EAF-9CE6-4FC0-A99B-83FE97B52C05@economy-x-talk.com> AJ Rush, I bet your script can't find an object and encounters an execution error. Can you post your script? Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 20-dec-2007, om 1:59 heeft Adam J. Rush het volgende geschreven: > I have a script which changes the XY coordinates of some objects on > a card on the main stack. It works fine in Rev, but in the > standalone nothing happens. There don't seem to be any other > problems with the standalone. > > Anyone have any insights? > > Thanks, > AJ Rush From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 05:09:51 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:09:51 +1000 Subject: changing object coordinates functional in Rev but not standalone In-Reply-To: <8E6B70FA-3194-43C4-9E73-D7AF5B5DE300@mac.com> References: <8E6B70FA-3194-43C4-9E73-D7AF5B5DE300@mac.com> Message-ID: On Dec 20, 2007 10:59 AM, Adam J. Rush wrote: > I have a script which changes the XY coordinates of some objects on a > card on the main stack. It works fine in Rev, but in the standalone > nothing happens. There don't seem to be any other problems with the > standalone. > > Anyone have any insights? When I'm having standalone problems, I go to the settings and turn on bug reporting. The method I use is to enable email reporting. When an error appears, click the button to create the email, then just read it but don't bother to send it. The email should give you a good idea of where the error is occuring. HTH, Sarah From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Dec 20 05:51:09 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:51:09 +0100 Subject: Standalone Build Error In-Reply-To: <005001c842c3$a9d4a340$03fc5f45@egl> References: <005001c842c3$a9d4a340$03fc5f45@egl> Message-ID: Hi Ted, From experience, I know that Revolution has difficulties building standalones with so many controls. MetaCard has a very different standalone builder. I suggest you give MetaCard a try. Feel free to send me an e-mail off-list, if you can't get this problem solved. Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 20-dec-2007, om 5:48 heeft Ted het volgende geschreven: > > The standalone build time may have to do with the number of > controls, which is > in the thousands. It didn't always take this long; it's grown with > the stack. > Because I've watched the build time lengthen gradually as I've > worked on the > stack, it isn't so alarming to me. But the error message is quite > alarming, > because it stops the entire show. > I have done a lot of work since my last standalone build, so I have > no way of > knowing what events may have created this. > From heather at runrev.com Thu Dec 20 06:14:03 2007 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:14:03 +0000 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <02ae01c8426c$b2796320$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> References: <20071219155256.E2D1E4897E9@mail.runrev.com> <02ae01c8426c$b2796320$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> Message-ID: Well! Thank you for that Lynn, I really needed a laugh this morning. I will get my umbrella! (did he just call me grandma? should I be offended? no doubt I would be if i wasn't laughing so much). Folks, interesting debate, and once again an illustration of the diversity of the wonderful people inhabiting this list. We're all done now, right? Politics need to stay offlist. Politeness is the grease that keeps things ticking over, if not in the world at least on this list. I don't think anybody intended offence, so lets shake on it and get back to talking about Revolution. Warm regards and Happy Holidays to you all! Heather, your local List Mom, holding a large, pink, frilly umbrella with one of those long spikes on the end... On 19 Dec 2007, at 18:26, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > . There's a universal norm that, > in almost any culture, if you say something that offends > grandmother, even > though its legally okay to say it, you can and will get wacked > upside the > head by an umbrella, huge brockaded hand bag, tray of cookies, > rolled up > newspaper, presto log, or maybe a week old baguette. Let's let the > spirit of > grandma prevail, especially since we do not know what Heather List > Mom is > carrying around :-) Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com From mpetrides at earthlink.net Thu Dec 20 07:07:07 2007 From: mpetrides at earthlink.net (Petrides, M.D. Marian) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 06:07:07 -0600 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: References: <20071219155256.E2D1E4897E9@mail.runrev.com> <02ae01c8426c$b2796320$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <1A03BDBD-8A3A-4655-98A2-CAEA5936B02F@earthlink.net> Great image, Heather :-))) On Dec 20, 2007, at 5:14 AM, Heather Nagey wrote: > Well! Thank you for that Lynn, I really needed a laugh this morning. > I will get my umbrella! (did he just call me grandma? should I be > offended? no doubt I would be if i wasn't laughing so much). > > Folks, interesting debate, and once again an illustration of the > diversity of the wonderful people inhabiting this list. We're all > done now, right? Politics need to stay offlist. > > Politeness is the grease that keeps things ticking over, if not in > the world at least on this list. I don't think anybody intended > offence, so lets shake on it and get back to talking about Revolution. > > Warm regards and Happy Holidays to you all! > > Heather, your local List Mom, holding a large, pink, frilly umbrella > with one of those long spikes on the end... > > On 19 Dec 2007, at 18:26, Lynn Fredricks wrote: > >> . There's a universal norm that, >> in almost any culture, if you say something that offends >> grandmother, even >> though its legally okay to say it, you can and will get wacked >> upside the >> head by an umbrella, huge brockaded hand bag, tray of cookies, >> rolled up >> newspaper, presto log, or maybe a week old baguette. Let's let the >> spirit of >> grandma prevail, especially since we do not know what Heather List >> Mom is >> carrying around :-) > > Heather Nagey > Customer Services Manager > Runtime Revolution Ltd > http://www.runrev.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Dec 20 08:15:20 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:15:20 -0200 Subject: ANN: Silly HTML mail sender on RevOnline Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712200515i4e8084efyba118ee5688ff417@mail.gmail.com> Hello Friends, While doing some tests on HTML email sending, I created a silly stack that is able to send plain text/HTML emails. It is based on my Raw Smtp email sender so it is good for testing because it does not depend on email configurations as it acts as the smtp mailer (which make some servers think your email is spam.) The useful code for assembling the mime message is inside the send button, the smtp code is on the stack script. This is a simple and easy to understand stack, I though people might want it. It's on my RevOnline user space. cheers andre -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu Dec 20 08:28:25 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:28:25 +0000 Subject: How to read the Rev license? Message-ID: <74B11EF6-93B7-42BA-99D8-487B05439D8B@azurevision.co.uk> It sounds like a silly question... but how do I read the license without re-installing Rev? (This is Studio on OS X) As I'm starting to do more commercial apps I wanted to check that I was complying with Rev's requirements regarding logos etc. We're no longer required to include the Rev logo in our 'about' windows, but in the logo PDF the following appears: "You must include the copyright notice, as specified in the Runtime Revolution license agreement, where other such notices appear." So, were do I find the license, given that it's not in the Rev Studio folder, and not in the Rev .app package? Ian From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Thu Dec 20 08:51:02 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:51:02 +0100 Subject: How to read the Rev license? In-Reply-To: <74B11EF6-93B7-42BA-99D8-487B05439D8B@azurevision.co.uk> References: <74B11EF6-93B7-42BA-99D8-487B05439D8B@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <2C8CC3DB-F7DE-416D-815E-77DBDF747D6B@sosmartsoftware.com> Hi Ian, Le 20 d?c. 07 ? 14:28, Ian Wood a ?crit : > It sounds like a silly question... but how do I read the license > without re-installing Rev? (This is Studio on OS X) > > As I'm starting to do more commercial apps I wanted to check that I > was complying with Rev's requirements regarding logos etc. > > We're no longer required to include the Rev logo in our 'about' > windows, but in the logo PDF the following appears: > > "You must include the copyright notice, as specified in > the Runtime Revolution license agreement, where other > such notices appear." > > So, were do I find the license, given that it's not in the Rev > Studio folder, and not in the Rev .app package? AFAIK the "Made With Logos" folder where you found the logo.pdf file is not included in Rev releases since the first 2.7. Last one where you can find it is 2.6.1 (October 2005). At the moment, there is nothing in the docs or elsewhere about such requirements since February 2006. BTW nothing prevents you to put the Rev logo somewhere :-) And I assume, if I'm wrong, somebody from Runrev will chime :-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu Dec 20 09:10:30 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:10:30 +0000 Subject: How to read the Rev license? In-Reply-To: <2C8CC3DB-F7DE-416D-815E-77DBDF747D6B@sosmartsoftware.com> References: <74B11EF6-93B7-42BA-99D8-487B05439D8B@azurevision.co.uk> <2C8CC3DB-F7DE-416D-815E-77DBDF747D6B@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <43FA6021-102E-4584-A877-AD914C8A4B02@azurevision.co.uk> On 20 Dec 2007, at 13:51, Eric Chatonet wrote: > AFAIK the "Made With Logos" folder where you found the logo.pdf file > is not included in Rev releases since the first 2.7. > Last one where you can find it is 2.6.1 (October 2005). Not the case here. At some stage I did a clean install of 2.8 and that's where I found the folder. > At the moment, there is nothing in the docs or elsewhere about such > requirements since February 2006. > BTW nothing prevents you to put the Rev logo somewhere :-) > And I assume, if I'm wrong, somebody from Runrev will chime :-) Hopefully. ;-) Ian From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Thu Dec 20 09:16:37 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:16:37 +0100 Subject: How to read the Rev license? In-Reply-To: <43FA6021-102E-4584-A877-AD914C8A4B02@azurevision.co.uk> References: <74B11EF6-93B7-42BA-99D8-487B05439D8B@azurevision.co.uk> <2C8CC3DB-F7DE-416D-815E-77DBDF747D6B@sosmartsoftware.com> <43FA6021-102E-4584-A877-AD914C8A4B02@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <9E6AC58E-8F15-4FCD-BA2F-3441A3EC9526@sosmartsoftware.com> Oh yes: you are right and I'm sorry: I just searched in every Rev app folder and it was outside at the root of my Rev Enterprise folder. So, you are right: this needs explanations from Runrev :-) Le 20 d?c. 07 ? 15:10, Ian Wood a ?crit : > > On 20 Dec 2007, at 13:51, Eric Chatonet wrote: > >> AFAIK the "Made With Logos" folder where you found the logo.pdf >> file is not included in Rev releases since the first 2.7. >> Last one where you can find it is 2.6.1 (October 2005). > > Not the case here. At some stage I did a clean install of 2.8 and > that's where I found the folder. > >> At the moment, there is nothing in the docs or elsewhere about >> such requirements since February 2006. >> BTW nothing prevents you to put the Rev logo somewhere :-) >> And I assume, if I'm wrong, somebody from Runrev will chime :-) > > Hopefully. ;-) > > Ian Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com Thu Dec 20 09:19:33 2007 From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:19:33 -0500 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712191222o4d003a44ub719959b91f4b8e7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Chip said to Randall: > No one is taking issue with your politics, only that this is > NOT the forum to discuss them. It is easy to mistake this as the "Revolution" forum, I guess. ;) Roger Eller From heather at runrev.com Thu Dec 20 09:24:36 2007 From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Nagey) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:24:36 +0000 Subject: How to read the Rev license? In-Reply-To: <74B11EF6-93B7-42BA-99D8-487B05439D8B@azurevision.co.uk> References: <74B11EF6-93B7-42BA-99D8-487B05439D8B@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: Actually, its not a silly question. You will find a bug report in the Quality Center, filed by me, under the heading "The EULA is incredibly hard to find". Number 5251. You are supposed to save the license the first time you install Revolution, and then remember where you put it and what you called it six months later when you actually want to read it... All is not lost. You can read it online, here: http://support.runrev.com/section/terms.php Regards, Heather On 20 Dec 2007, at 13:28, Ian Wood wrote: > It sounds like a silly question... but how do I read the license > without re-installing Rev? (This is Studio on OS X) > > As I'm starting to do more commercial apps I wanted to check that I > was complying with Rev's requirements regarding logos etc. > > We're no longer required to include the Rev logo in our 'about' > windows, but in the logo PDF the following appears: > > "You must include the copyright notice, as specified in > the Runtime Revolution license agreement, where other > such notices appear." > > So, were do I find the license, given that it's not in the Rev > Studio folder, and not in the Rev .app package? > > Ian > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Thu Dec 20 09:38:13 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:38:13 +0100 Subject: How to read the Rev license? In-Reply-To: References: <74B11EF6-93B7-42BA-99D8-487B05439D8B@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: APPENDIX A - Required Copyright Notice You must include the following copyright notice where other such notices appear. In the event that such other notices do not appear in the Created Software, this notice must be placed in a reasonable location. Portions (c)2000-2006 Runtime Revolution Limited, All Rights Reserved Worldwide. We would like you to include the Runtime Revolution logo, as per the terms set out in the file "logo.pdf". However, unlike the Copyright notice above, you are not required to include the logo. BTW I think above dates might be updated :-) Le 20 d?c. 07 ? 15:24, Heather Nagey a ?crit : > Actually, its not a silly question. You will find a bug report in > the Quality Center, filed by me, under the heading "The EULA is > incredibly hard to find". Number 5251. You are supposed to save the > license the first time you install Revolution, and then remember > where you put it and what you called it six months later when you > actually want to read it... > > All is not lost. You can read it online, here: > > http://support.runrev.com/section/terms.php > > Regards, > > Heather > > On 20 Dec 2007, at 13:28, Ian Wood wrote: > >> It sounds like a silly question... but how do I read the license >> without re-installing Rev? (This is Studio on OS X) >> >> As I'm starting to do more commercial apps I wanted to check that >> I was complying with Rev's requirements regarding logos etc. >> >> We're no longer required to include the Rev logo in our 'about' >> windows, but in the logo PDF the following appears: >> >> "You must include the copyright notice, as specified in >> the Runtime Revolution license agreement, where other >> such notices appear." >> >> So, were do I find the license, given that it's not in the Rev >> Studio folder, and not in the Rev .app package? >> >> Ian > > Heather Nagey > Customer Services Manager > Runtime Revolution Ltd > http://www.runrev.com Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Thu Dec 20 09:40:37 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 14:40:37 +0000 Subject: How to read the Rev license? In-Reply-To: References: <74B11EF6-93B7-42BA-99D8-487B05439D8B@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: Heather to the rescue! The actual wording required with your own copyright notices being: Portions (c)2000-2006 Runtime Revolution Limited, All Rights Reserved Worldwide. Thanks, Ian P.S. The final sentence of 3. f) reads 'You may not attempt exceed the Limits.' when it should read 'You may not attempt TO exceed the Limits.'. On 20 Dec 2007, at 14:24, Heather Nagey wrote: > Actually, its not a silly question. You will find a bug report in > the Quality Center, filed by me, under the heading "The EULA is > incredibly hard to find". Number 5251. You are supposed to save the > license the first time you install Revolution, and then remember > where you put it and what you called it six months later when you > actually want to read it... > > All is not lost. You can read it online, here: > > http://support.runrev.com/section/terms.php > > Regards, > > Heather > > On 20 Dec 2007, at 13:28, Ian Wood wrote: > >> It sounds like a silly question... but how do I read the license >> without re-installing Rev? (This is Studio on OS X) >> >> As I'm starting to do more commercial apps I wanted to check that I >> was complying with Rev's requirements regarding logos etc. >> >> We're no longer required to include the Rev logo in our 'about' >> windows, but in the logo PDF the following appears: >> >> "You must include the copyright notice, as specified in >> the Runtime Revolution license agreement, where other >> such notices appear." >> >> So, were do I find the license, given that it's not in the Rev >> Studio folder, and not in the Rev .app package? >> >> Ian >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > Heather Nagey > Customer Services Manager > Runtime Revolution Ltd > http://www.runrev.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From david at openpartnership.net Thu Dec 20 10:13:44 2007 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:13:44 +0000 Subject: Asynch work: loading movie from file example... Message-ID: I'm trying to get to the bottom of how to code asynchronous GUI work in Rev - and thought I'd ask for tips. The example to hand is simple a user clicks on a line in a field which triggers a script to set the filename of a player to a movie file. The problem is that the files are large mp4 files and the first time they load they take over a second to show up in the player - in the mean time you get a spinning pizza. What I would like to do is load the movie asynchronously and allow the user to do other stuff in the mean time - no spinning pizza. I chose this example as its a built in blocking Rev command - not using shell command or anything external. Any thoughts? From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Dec 20 10:23:12 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:23:12 -0200 Subject: Asynch work: loading movie from file example... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712200723i68cf7057t2b1b6a0b4da64b23@mail.gmail.com> Hello David, Rev is single threaded so when you issue blocking commands, the UI will block and there's nothing you can do. What you can do is code around blocking commands. For tcp/ip communications you have both blocking commands and async commands. Now when the problem is with the player object things get ugly since you don't have async commands for that. Rev will block while loading the movie. I have a solution for you but I believe you won't like it. I've implemented this with success in the Hinduism Today Digital Edition magazine ( http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital ). Our magazine has a built-in media viewer that plays videos, audio and slideshows. We encountered a lot of trouble with the different media files and Rev QT player. Files that would play normally in QT Player would not play in Rev's own QT player wrapper. We took a bold move to solve this and it is working like a charm. What we have now is a fake RevBrowser window as the player object. RevBrowser windows run on their own thread so they won't block the UI and QT player on a browser behaves better than qt player on rev. We assemble a QT embeded object in a string and set the htmltext of the revbrowser to it, so you don't need to be connected to the internet. All happens in memory, a temporary HTML that is loaded on the browser that holds reference to the movie file and player. The user never sees the difference and we can now play lots of movies and multimedia resources. All our movies are on the server, so to use our system, you need to be connected but this solution also applies to non-connected apps. This is also a good way to load flash movies and the like. I think it may be overkill to your project, but thats how we solved our UI trouble related to the player. andre On 12/20/07, David Bovill wrote: > I'm trying to get to the bottom of how to code asynchronous GUI work in Rev > - and thought I'd ask for tips. The example to hand is simple a user clicks > on a line in a field which triggers a script to set the filename of a player > to a movie file. The problem is that the files are large mp4 files and the > first time they load they take over a second to show up in the player - in > the mean time you get a spinning pizza. > > What I would like to do is load the movie asynchronously and allow the user > to do other stuff in the mean time - no spinning pizza. I chose this example > as its a built in blocking Rev command - not using shell command or anything > external. Any thoughts? > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From luis at anachreon.co.uk Thu Dec 20 11:48:26 2007 From: luis at anachreon.co.uk (Luis) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:48:26 +0000 Subject: Valentina Upgrade from SuperBundle In-Reply-To: References: <038801c84290$cd0f3970$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> <4769D617.9030708@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: And my other concern is that the offer expiration date is close by, with no come back regarding https from them as yet. The Paypal option should be on the site, and not a 'last' option only discovered through email. Yes, easer of use AND secure. Both the Myrie and ParadigmaSoft sites had an easy enough setup for the payment (minus the requirement to register at Myrie) but once I hit the payment page I slammed the brakes. There's ease and 'unease'... :) Cheers, Luis. On 20 Dec 2007, at 03:32, Stephen Barncard wrote: > I wish REV headquarters would adopt a PAYPAY option. Its so much > easier for the purchaser than the minefield of clicking and entry > required with 'WorldPay' or whatever, followed by the dreaded > "Verified By Visa" extra step that didn't always work. Is this > because of the international nature of the transaction? > > Each time I tried to buy something from Rev, something would happen > with verification and inevitably lead to frustration and wasted > time, and Heather had to do something to fix it. > > Doesn't ease of payment garner more impulse sales? > >> >> I have been in email conversation with someone at Myrie, and at >> the moment the only option appears to be to pay them via Paypal if >> one would wish to keep the transaction secure (I'm considering the >> option). >> >> I have forwarded my concerns to ParadigmaSoft, but no reply as yet. >> >> I hope this is not too OT for this list, as I am sure many of you >> are just as concerned when making online purchases. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Luis. >> > > -- > > > stephen barncard > s a n f r a n c i s c o > - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From tedl at voyager.net Thu Dec 20 12:00:19 2007 From: tedl at voyager.net (Ted) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:00:19 -0500 Subject: Standalone Build Error Message-ID: <003101c8432a$9f8a7d80$e3fc5f45@egl> Stephen Barncard wrote: >> perhaps one should use unique names for the objects, and get the ids from the names. get the long id of grp "Bond007" of stack "M" << Yes, Stephen, you are right. Thankfully, I did that most of the time. Ted From tedl at voyager.net Thu Dec 20 12:04:46 2007 From: tedl at voyager.net (Ted) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:04:46 -0500 Subject: Standalone Build Error Message-ID: <003201c8432a$a0c96620$e3fc5f45@egl> Mark Schonewille wrote: >> >From experience, I know that Revolution has difficulties building standalones with so many controls. MetaCard has a very different standalone builder. I suggest you give MetaCard a try. Feel free to send me an e-mail off-list, if you can't get this problem solved. << I will, Mark. Thanks for the kind offer. Ted From wjm at wjm.org Thu Dec 20 12:21:27 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 12:21:27 -0500 Subject: Valentina Upgrade from SuperBundle References: <038801c84290$cd0f3970$6501a8c0@GATEWAY><4769D617.9030708@anachreon.co.uk> Message-ID: Stephen, We'd like a PAYPAY option too! Seems that would roughly double our revenue! Seriously, though, I believe the primary reason for not offering PayPal is the difficulty of integrating it with our current back-end systems, which automatically generate license codes and otherwise fulfill orders electronically. A secondary reason is the huge chunk PayPal takes out, once you consider their rates for handling transactions and converting currencies. It makes sense for items like Revolution Studio and Enterprise, but would hurt a lot on smaller items like Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor. Nevertheless, we're investigating a change in our online store for 2008 and you may see PayPal and/or Google Checkout there eventually. > Doesn't ease of payment garner more impulse sales? Definitely. Actually I commend people who are purchasing for their determination. Improving the experience is definitely on the list. One step was to eliminate coupon codes for the RevSelect Bundle purchase. We put up an interstitial screen for people to select the appropriate bundle and terms. While it adds a screen, it eliminates the confusing instructions for coupon codes that we usually have to supply. What did you think of that? (Just visit the promo page at http://www.runrev.com/offers/rshb and click any Order Now button to see it.) Bill RunRev marketing guy Stephen Barncard wrote... > I wish REV headquarters would adopt a PAYPAY option. Its so much easier > for the purchaser than the minefield of clicking and entry required with > 'WorldPay' or whatever, followed by the dreaded "Verified By Visa" extra > step that didn't always work. Is this because of the international nature > of the transaction? > > Each time I tried to buy something from Rev, something would happen with > verification and inevitably lead to frustration and wasted time, and > Heather had to do something to fix it. > From mail at richard-hillen.de Thu Dec 20 13:38:52 2007 From: mail at richard-hillen.de (R. Hillen) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:38:52 +0100 Subject: Silly HTML mail sender on RevOnline In-Reply-To: <20071220142430.6525C489E9F@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071220142430.6525C489E9F@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <13706627-B63A-467B-B726-28CC8FF1D72B@richard-hillen.de> > Hello, Andre, sorry, but I coudn?t find your user space. What is your name in RevOnline? Richard. > From: "Andre Garzia" > Subject: ANN: Silly HTML mail sender on RevOnline > > Hello Friends, > > While doing some tests on HTML email sending, I created a silly stack > that is able to send plain text/HTML emails.... > It's on my RevOnline user space. > > cheers > andre > From sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de Thu Dec 20 14:15:16 2007 From: sanke at hrz.uni-kassel.de (Wilhelm Sanke) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:15:16 +0100 Subject: Caricature challenge Message-ID: <476ABF44.5080202@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Most things have already been said, and I will try to keep my comment short. Bush was not a specific target for me, but more of a random choice to exemplify the new "caricature" features of my Toolkit. It could have chosen Hillary or Barack, or Putin for that matter. I remember, someone - about half a year ago? - posted the address of a flash clip on this list which showed "Bush falling through the clouds - forever". This drew a lot of responses, as far a s I remember not one of them negative, and no one complained that this list was not the proper forum for such occasional stuff. So I felt on the safe side with my choice. As has already been pointed out: No specific political or national intentions on my side and least of all to antagonize Chipp as a citizen of Texas (By the way, I very much liked the description of Texan peculiarities in John Gunther's book "Inside USA"). And concerning Chipp's last post: Chipp Walters chipp at chipp.com wrote on Wed Dec 19, 2007 > > > Terry, > (snip) > I think you'll find it difficult to distort imageData the way you want > to in > Rev without an external. > > Wilhelm's toolkit, while very complete and in it's right a wonderful > set of > scripts, isn't setup to do this sort of thing. In fact, part of the > basis of > his original toolkit were derived from some convolution matrix code I had > generated years ago. > > best, > Chipp I think my attempt of a caricature indeed shows what can be done by manipulation of imagedata with Revolution - even without externals, although in different ways as demanded by Terry and proposed by Ken. I had described this in more detail in my post, and these new routines (which will be part of the next version of my ImagedataToolkit) had not been specifically designed to produce caricatures, but simply to copy and paste parts of an image elsewhere, to enlarge, shrink, and flip them, and to integrate the selected ovals, rects, or polygons with transparent fringes into the same or an another picture. Manipulating the Bush photo with the six alterations was a matter of about five minutes. Chipp Walter - with his old stack he mentions - and Ken Ray - with his imagedata webpages - were the ones that opened the world of imagedata for me. I give Chipp credit for his external in the introduction to the Toolkit and have given him credit elsewhere. Chipp's external later was replaced by Derek Bump's one, which did not require to script around the Endian issue. I had an exchange with Chipp about the changes I applied to his non-external script to use matrix filters, i.e. without the external. Here the intention of Chipp had been to demonstrate that Revolution was capable to use matrix filters even without an external. Speed was no consideration for Chipp at that time and speed was not needed in that sample stack of Chipp as the used image was very small. As I worked with larger images in my Toolkit I tried to rewrite the non-external script and succeeded in reducing the execution time for 640x480 images from 90 to 7 seconds on a 2 GHz computer, which you can see using the present Toolkit. Mark Waddingham, in a post last week concerning bug # 5113, still found additional potential in the script to reduce execution time even more, which is now down to 4.7 seconds on my Windows computer and 3.4 seconds on my MacBook Pro with Leopard. Neverless I asked Mark, if also externals for 5x5 and 7x7 matrix filters could be added for Revolution - and both for Mac and Windows. But, of course, matrix filters are only a limited part of the features of my present and upcoming Imagedata Toolkits. Best regards, Wilhelm Sanke From chipp at chipp.com Thu Dec 20 14:36:09 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:36:09 -0600 Subject: Caricature challenge In-Reply-To: <476ABF44.5080202@hrz.uni-kassel.de> References: <476ABF44.5080202@hrz.uni-kassel.de> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712201136y4977675di2a716a2240deebe1@mail.gmail.com> Wilhelm, Regarding the origin of this thread, the challenge was trying to take a rectangular image and distort it by changing the shape of the image from a rectangle to a triangle or ngon with the appropriate interpolation. I imagine even you would agree it is a sizable task for Rev's built in image handling routines. I look forward to seeing you new, speedier routines. From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Thu Dec 20 15:26:41 2007 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:26:41 +0000 Subject: Silly HTML mail sender on RevOnline Message-ID: Hi Richard, his name in RevOnline is SoapDog. All the best Matthias -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Silly HTML mail sender on RevOnline (20-Dez-2007 19:39) From: R. Hillen To: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de > > > > Hello, Andre, > > sorry, but I coudn?t find your user space. What is your name in > RevOnline? > > Richard. > > > From: "Andre Garzia" > > Subject: ANN: Silly HTML mail sender on RevOnline > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > While doing some tests on HTML email sending, I created a silly stack > > that is able to send plain text/HTML emails.... > > > It's on my RevOnline user space. > > > > cheers > > andre > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com From cmsheffield at gmail.com Thu Dec 20 17:22:18 2007 From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 15:22:18 -0700 Subject: revBrowser system requirements Message-ID: <5A657221-F947-4130-8143-E40B6E5E4A57@gmail.com> Maybe I'm just totally missing them somewhere, but can someone tell me the requirements for the revBrowser object? I need to know min versions of both Windows and OS X it'll run on. Are the requirements in the docs somewhere? If not, would be very helpful. :-) Thanks, Chris Sheffield Read Naturally, Inc. From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Dec 20 21:19:41 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:19:41 -0200 Subject: Silly HTML mail sender on RevOnline In-Reply-To: <13706627-B63A-467B-B726-28CC8FF1D72B@richard-hillen.de> References: <20071220142430.6525C489E9F@mail.runrev.com> <13706627-B63A-467B-B726-28CC8FF1D72B@richard-hillen.de> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712201819v125f15f6jad7884995043431e@mail.gmail.com> Oops, sorry Richard, my username is "soapdog", not the most obvious thing... andre On 12/20/07, R. Hillen wrote: > > > > Hello, Andre, > > sorry, but I coudn?t find your user space. What is your name in > RevOnline? > > Richard. > > > From: "Andre Garzia" > > Subject: ANN: Silly HTML mail sender on RevOnline > > > > Hello Friends, > > > > While doing some tests on HTML email sending, I created a silly stack > > that is able to send plain text/HTML emails.... > > > It's on my RevOnline user space. > > > > cheers > > andre > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From chipp at chipp.com Fri Dec 21 04:26:56 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:26:56 -0600 Subject: revBrowser system requirements In-Reply-To: <5A657221-F947-4130-8143-E40B6E5E4A57@gmail.com> References: <5A657221-F947-4130-8143-E40B6E5E4A57@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712210126q56eb63fcu578908362a17984f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, I believe both Mac and PC versions depend on the installation of Safari and Internet Explorer respectively. best, Chipp From david at openpartnership.net Fri Dec 21 05:03:58 2007 From: david at openpartnership.net (David Bovill) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 10:03:58 +0000 Subject: Asynch work: loading movie from file example... In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10712200723i68cf7057t2b1b6a0b4da64b23@mail.gmail.com> References: <7c87a2a10712200723i68cf7057t2b1b6a0b4da64b23@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks - Andre. No it's not overkill - I need to use RevBrowser in any case, and was using it for FLV's - so it is even simpler if I can unify them all into a single object. My fear was stability as in general I have got more crashes when using RevBrowser than with other code - but if you have found it works well that's a very good sign. Has stability been a problem at all? In development? If you leave the app running for days ie kiosk mode / memory leaks? On 20/12/2007, Andre Garzia wrote: > > What we have now is a fake RevBrowser window as the player object. > RevBrowser windows run on their own thread so they won't block the UI > and QT player on a browser behaves better than qt player on rev. We > assemble a QT embeded object in a string and set the htmltext of the > revbrowser to it, so you don't need to be connected to the internet. > All happens in memory, a temporary HTML that is loaded on the browser > that holds reference to the movie file and player. The user never sees > the difference and we can now play lots of movies and multimedia > resources. Have you tried "rtsp:" url's for progressive download? Maybe its not needed - but as even local files that are very large can take time to load before playing, I guess this would be a use for a local rev based http server? NB - I was thinking of a solution using "send" :) From cmsheffield at gmail.com Fri Dec 21 10:11:46 2007 From: cmsheffield at gmail.com (Chris Sheffield) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:11:46 -0700 Subject: revBrowser system requirements In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712210126q56eb63fcu578908362a17984f@mail.gmail.com> References: <5A657221-F947-4130-8143-E40B6E5E4A57@gmail.com> <7aa52a210712210126q56eb63fcu578908362a17984f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <9E5FAF6F-47F7-43C5-ABFE-4BE3C0136EB2@gmail.com> Thanks Chipp. How about the min versions of the OSs supported? Win 2000? Win XP? Panther? Tiger? On Dec 21, 2007, at 2:26 AM, Chipp Walters wrote: > Hi Chris, > > I believe both Mac and PC versions depend on the installation of > Safari and > Internet Explorer respectively. > > best, Chipp > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Dec 21 11:56:28 2007 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 08:56:28 -0800 Subject: sqlite and csv again References: <200712191532.53066.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Peter- Thanks for the heads-up. That plugin is absolutely amazing! I can see how I'll be doing my sqlite work from now on... -- Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From katir at hindu.org Fri Dec 21 14:37:05 2007 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:37:05 -1000 Subject: Accessing Addressbook and iCal In-Reply-To: References: <9693FA5E-3884-45B7-A399-052EB5C89F02@objectmanufactur.com> Message-ID: <476C15E1.3060603@hindu.org> Jim Sims wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2007, at 8:20 PM, Thorsten Hohage wrote: > >> I know Rev is cross plattform and this query is not, BUT is there a >> recommend / common way to access the Apple Addressbook and perhaps >> then new Leo only iCal-"Framework". Any ready build class available, >> or must I really do it on my own? > A couple of years back Andre developed a Library for processing .ics format data (or something along those lines) It was probably ahead of its time, but now with Google Calendar, iPhone, iCal, Omnifocus, etc. all dancing around the .ics standard maybe it would interesting if Andre posted those old libs? I don't know if they can talk directly to an iCal. I actually have number of requests to build some iCal "add ons" here, so I'm looking into it.. and I would really love to be able to talk to Google Calendar independently of a browser! Address book seems to use a flavor of SQLite format 3, (check application support and open the addressbook in BBedit) and there's vCard for export and import, but you probably know that already... From katir at hindu.org Fri Dec 21 14:46:37 2007 From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 09:46:37 -1000 Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Digital Edition Upgrade Message-ID: <476C181D.3040502@hindu.org> Thanks to the hard work of Andre Garzia we are able to present an upgrade to the Hinduism Today Digital Edition. Go here to subscribe. http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ If you have already subscribed, just boot up and you will be prompted to upgrade. Those of you familiar with this app know that it is a simple, client side, PDF content manager. But, with the latest upgrade, Andre has built a pretty nifty media content viewer. All I did was work with the presentation layer... he did the rest. Though Andre likes to tell me he feels like a child when he looks at the code of the Rev Giants like Ken Ray and Richard Gaskin and all the "Elder Wizards of xTalk" I think he did a really good job on this. Download and install, and then click on the button "View Multimedia" Thanks to Ken Ray for his xml lib, to Chipp and Chris at Altuit for RevBrowser and altSplash and Revolution team in Scotland and to this whole community for being such a great support group. Frankly I was a bit worried that to overcome the problems with the Rev Player object playing remote URLs that switching to Revbrowser was going to add more complexity to the whole framework and not necessarily get us anything but more problems: I was wrong! We are getting reports now from people in Adelaide Australia and Mumbai in India where they are able to stream media in our media viewer from the web server in San Franscisco (and we are not using QT streaming... just Fast Start Headers) through the Rev browser window on the craziest of connections (wireless in Adelaide coming in on DSL to the house and then from a wireless transpoder to the laptop anywhere in the house) and also on a cellular modem in Mumbai. Of course I'm sure that the UI could use a lot of improvement, I'm not a professional...but the bottom line on the technology is: Revolution + libURL + Rev Browser + Rev CGI talking to PostGreSql on a linux Webserver is a rock solid framework. I am sooooo happy! Lord Ganesha could not have given me a better Winter Solstice Holiday gift than what Andre has delivered. Please feel free to send any thoughts you have for improvements etc to both of us, all constructive insights welcome! Happy Solstice at this auspicious time when Sun moves from Dakshinayne to Uttarayane (goes north) today... Cheers from Kauai Sivakatirswami www.himalayanacademy.com From jim at oyfconsulting.com Fri Dec 21 14:56:51 2007 From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:56:51 -0400 Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Digital Edition Upgrade In-Reply-To: <476C181D.3040502@hindu.org> Message-ID: Hi Sivakatirswami ... Just to confirm, when I go to your web site, is that all done in Rev as well?... Jim on 12/21/07 3:46 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > Thanks to the hard work of Andre Garzia we are able to present an > upgrade to the Hinduism Today Digital Edition. Go here to subscribe. > > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ > > If you have already subscribed, just boot up and you will be prompted to > upgrade. > > Those of you familiar with this app know that it is a simple, client > side, PDF content manager. But, with the latest upgrade, Andre has built > a pretty nifty media content viewer. All I did was work with the > presentation layer... he did the rest. > > Though Andre likes to tell me he feels like a child when he looks at the > code of the Rev Giants like Ken Ray and Richard Gaskin and all the > "Elder Wizards of xTalk" I think he did a really good job on this. > > Download and install, and then click on the button "View Multimedia" > > Thanks to Ken Ray for his xml lib, to Chipp and Chris at Altuit for > RevBrowser and altSplash and Revolution team in Scotland and to this > whole community for being such a great support group. > > Frankly I was a bit worried that to overcome the problems with the Rev > Player object playing remote URLs that switching to Revbrowser was going > to add more complexity to the whole framework and not necessarily get us > anything but more problems: I was wrong! > > We are getting reports now from people in Adelaide Australia and Mumbai > in India where they are able to stream media in our media viewer from > the web server in San Franscisco (and we are not using QT streaming... > just Fast Start Headers) through the Rev browser window on the craziest > of connections (wireless in Adelaide coming in on DSL to the house and > then from a wireless transpoder to the laptop anywhere in the house) and > also on a cellular modem in Mumbai. > > Of course I'm sure that the UI could use a lot of improvement, I'm not > a professional...but the bottom line on the technology is: Revolution + > libURL + Rev Browser + Rev CGI talking to PostGreSql on a linux > Webserver is a rock solid framework. I am sooooo happy! > > Lord Ganesha could not have given me a better Winter Solstice Holiday > gift than what Andre has delivered. > > Please feel free to send any thoughts you have for improvements etc to > both of us, all constructive insights welcome! > > Happy Solstice at this auspicious time when Sun moves from Dakshinayne > to Uttarayane (goes north) today... > > Cheers from Kauai > > Sivakatirswami > www.himalayanacademy.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Jim Carwardine, President & CEO OYF Consulting Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339 Fx. 902.823-2139 StrategicDoing?: Execution depends on employees. Strategic Partner with HiringSmart Canada Ltd. -- From jim at oyfconsulting.com Fri Dec 21 15:04:11 2007 From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:04:11 -0400 Subject: [OT] SheepShaver and printing... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: To print from SheepShaver, I use an old desktop printer utility called PrintToPDF. I then bring the pdf over to the MacIntel using the shared .dmg... Jim on 11/30/07 4:02 AM, Jack Stroh wrote: > Did you ever get an answer regarding printing with sheepshaver? Thanks. > > Jack Stroh > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Jim Carwardine, President & CEO OYF Consulting Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339 Fx. 902.823-2139 StrategicDoing?: Execution depends on employees. Strategic Partner with HiringSmart Canada Ltd. -- From andre at andregarzia.com Fri Dec 21 15:18:05 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:18:05 -0200 Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Digital Edition Upgrade In-Reply-To: References: <476C181D.3040502@hindu.org> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712211218o6d3d8713y505f0dead95f4956@mail.gmail.com> Hello Jim, Check out http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/lexicon for a nice Runtime Revolution Web Application that we built! It's all Revolution + AJAX Techniques. Try searching for 'Karma'... :D Cheers andre On 12/21/07, Jim Carwardine wrote: > Hi Sivakatirswami ... Just to confirm, when I go to your web site, is that > all done in Rev as well?... Jim > > > on 12/21/07 3:46 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > > > Thanks to the hard work of Andre Garzia we are able to present an > > upgrade to the Hinduism Today Digital Edition. Go here to subscribe. > > > > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ > > > > If you have already subscribed, just boot up and you will be prompted to > > upgrade. > > > > Those of you familiar with this app know that it is a simple, client > > side, PDF content manager. But, with the latest upgrade, Andre has built > > a pretty nifty media content viewer. All I did was work with the > > presentation layer... he did the rest. > > > > Though Andre likes to tell me he feels like a child when he looks at the > > code of the Rev Giants like Ken Ray and Richard Gaskin and all the > > "Elder Wizards of xTalk" I think he did a really good job on this. > > > > Download and install, and then click on the button "View Multimedia" > > > > Thanks to Ken Ray for his xml lib, to Chipp and Chris at Altuit for > > RevBrowser and altSplash and Revolution team in Scotland and to this > > whole community for being such a great support group. > > > > Frankly I was a bit worried that to overcome the problems with the Rev > > Player object playing remote URLs that switching to Revbrowser was going > > to add more complexity to the whole framework and not necessarily get us > > anything but more problems: I was wrong! > > > > We are getting reports now from people in Adelaide Australia and Mumbai > > in India where they are able to stream media in our media viewer from > > the web server in San Franscisco (and we are not using QT streaming... > > just Fast Start Headers) through the Rev browser window on the craziest > > of connections (wireless in Adelaide coming in on DSL to the house and > > then from a wireless transpoder to the laptop anywhere in the house) and > > also on a cellular modem in Mumbai. > > > > Of course I'm sure that the UI could use a lot of improvement, I'm not > > a professional...but the bottom line on the technology is: Revolution + > > libURL + Rev Browser + Rev CGI talking to PostGreSql on a linux > > Webserver is a rock solid framework. I am sooooo happy! > > > > Lord Ganesha could not have given me a better Winter Solstice Holiday > > gift than what Andre has delivered. > > > > Please feel free to send any thoughts you have for improvements etc to > > both of us, all constructive insights welcome! > > > > Happy Solstice at this auspicious time when Sun moves from Dakshinayne > > to Uttarayane (goes north) today... > > > > Cheers from Kauai > > > > Sivakatirswami > > www.himalayanacademy.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > > preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > Jim Carwardine, > President & CEO > OYF Consulting > Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339 > Fx. 902.823-2139 > > > StrategicDoing : Execution depends on employees. > Strategic Partner with HiringSmart Canada Ltd. > -- > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From jim at oyfconsulting.com Fri Dec 21 15:18:21 2007 From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 16:18:21 -0400 Subject: ANN: Hinduism Today Digital Edition Upgrade In-Reply-To: <7c87a2a10712211218o6d3d8713y505f0dead95f4956@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Andre... Jim on 12/21/07 4:18 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: > Hello Jim, > > Check out http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resources/lexicon for a nice > Runtime Revolution Web Application that we built! It's all Revolution > + AJAX Techniques. Try searching for 'Karma'... :D > > Cheers > andre > > On 12/21/07, Jim Carwardine wrote: >> Hi Sivakatirswami ... Just to confirm, when I go to your web site, is that >> all done in Rev as well?... Jim >> >> >> on 12/21/07 3:46 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: >> >>> Thanks to the hard work of Andre Garzia we are able to present an >>> upgrade to the Hinduism Today Digital Edition. Go here to subscribe. >>> >>> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/digital/ >>> >>> If you have already subscribed, just boot up and you will be prompted to >>> upgrade. >>> >>> Those of you familiar with this app know that it is a simple, client >>> side, PDF content manager. But, with the latest upgrade, Andre has built >>> a pretty nifty media content viewer. All I did was work with the >>> presentation layer... he did the rest. >>> >>> Though Andre likes to tell me he feels like a child when he looks at the >>> code of the Rev Giants like Ken Ray and Richard Gaskin and all the >>> "Elder Wizards of xTalk" I think he did a really good job on this. >>> >>> Download and install, and then click on the button "View Multimedia" >>> >>> Thanks to Ken Ray for his xml lib, to Chipp and Chris at Altuit for >>> RevBrowser and altSplash and Revolution team in Scotland and to this >>> whole community for being such a great support group. >>> >>> Frankly I was a bit worried that to overcome the problems with the Rev >>> Player object playing remote URLs that switching to Revbrowser was going >>> to add more complexity to the whole framework and not necessarily get us >>> anything but more problems: I was wrong! >>> >>> We are getting reports now from people in Adelaide Australia and Mumbai >>> in India where they are able to stream media in our media viewer from >>> the web server in San Franscisco (and we are not using QT streaming... >>> just Fast Start Headers) through the Rev browser window on the craziest >>> of connections (wireless in Adelaide coming in on DSL to the house and >>> then from a wireless transpoder to the laptop anywhere in the house) and >>> also on a cellular modem in Mumbai. >>> >>> Of course I'm sure that the UI could use a lot of improvement, I'm not >>> a professional...but the bottom line on the technology is: Revolution + >>> libURL + Rev Browser + Rev CGI talking to PostGreSql on a linux >>> Webserver is a rock solid framework. I am sooooo happy! >>> >>> Lord Ganesha could not have given me a better Winter Solstice Holiday >>> gift than what Andre has delivered. >>> >>> Please feel free to send any thoughts you have for improvements etc to >>> both of us, all constructive insights welcome! >>> >>> Happy Solstice at this auspicious time when Sun moves from Dakshinayne >>> to Uttarayane (goes north) today... >>> >>> Cheers from Kauai >>> >>> Sivakatirswami >>> www.himalayanacademy.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >>> preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> >> Jim Carwardine, >> President & CEO >> OYF Consulting >> Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339 >> Fx. 902.823-2139 >> >> >> StrategicDoing : Execution depends on employees. >> Strategic Partner with HiringSmart Canada Ltd. >> -- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > Jim Carwardine, President & CEO OYF Consulting Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339 Fx. 902.823-2139 StrategicDoing?: Execution depends on employees. Strategic Partner with HiringSmart Canada Ltd. -- From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Fri Dec 21 15:34:05 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:34:05 +0100 Subject: [OT] SheepShaver and printing... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8621B199-A512-4114-8E62-36ED7D2C7C8E@economy-x-talk.com> Jim, Why are you using a shared dmg? My OSX home folder appears as a hard disk in Sheepshaver. You can tell Sheepshaver to mount any folder you like as a hard disk. Just be a bit careful with special folders. Sheepshaver tends to move your desktop folder around. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 21-dec-2007, om 21:04 heeft Jim Carwardine het volgende geschreven: > To print from SheepShaver, I use an old desktop printer utility called > PrintToPDF. I then bring the pdf over to the MacIntel using the > shared > .dmg... Jim > > > on 11/30/07 4:02 AM, Jack Stroh wrote: > >> Did you ever get an answer regarding printing with sheepshaver? >> Thanks. >> >> Jack Stroh >> From iowahengst at mac.com Fri Dec 21 16:30:17 2007 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:30:17 -0600 Subject: Studio Super Bundle In-Reply-To: References: <74B11EF6-93B7-42BA-99D8-487B05439D8B@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Heather, I just ordered the Super Bundle this afternoon. When I went through the process I received a notice that my card was rejected. So, I tried again and received the same notice. Well, I just received a call from my credit card company and both transactions went through. Needless to say, I don't want two super bundles. So, how might I go about getting a refund for one of them? Sorry to trouble you with this. Hope your holidays are grand. take care, randy hengst From jim at oyfconsulting.com Fri Dec 21 20:32:27 2007 From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine) Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:32:27 -0400 Subject: [OT] SheepShaver and printing... In-Reply-To: <8621B199-A512-4114-8E62-36ED7D2C7C8E@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: Hi Mark... This was a solution from Ken Ray when SS was first being used a year ago. Perhaps there is a better way... The text of the original thread follows... On 10/3/06 2:48 PM, "Jim Carwardine" wrote: > I successfully installed Os 9 into SheepShaver. Although I created a hard > disk - OS9HD - as you suggested, when I loaded OS 9, it loaded into a hard > disk called "untitled" which I retitled OS9HD when the system was up and > running. It seems to be the same disk. At least the untitled disk was the > same size as the size I had specified when I set up SheepShaver. Right. > I'm wanting to approach SheepShaver like it was the Classic window in OSX on > the PPC meaning that I want to access files on my OSX hard disk from the > SheepShaver window. However, although I can't anything that looks like a > users guide for SheepShaver, it looks like I need to load files and > applications into the SheepShaver environment by burning the files I want to > move to SheepShaver onto a CD ROM and then reading it in SheepShaver. Well, it turns out that the instructions for making a shared folder are faulty - apparently shared folders don't work well in the current version of SS. However you can do this instead: Fire up Disk Utility and make a .dmg file that is the size you want to use for "sharing". In the SheepShaver GUI window click the "Add..." button in the Volumes tab, and select the .dmg file you created, and Quit SheepShaver GUI. When you want to copy files from OS X to OS 9, mount your .dmg in OS X by double-clicking it, drag files into it, and then eject the mounted volume. Then, launch SheepShaver and when you get to the OS 9 desktop, you'll have another hard drive there, which is your .dmg file. You can do this in reverse as well to get things from OS 9 to OS X. The only caveat is that you get very unpredictable results if you attempt to keep the .dmg mounted in OS X at the same time as SS is running... files have been lost and the .dmg can get corrupted, so make sure you fully unmount the drive (imagine you're putting something on a floppy in one machine to carry to the next machine). HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: kray at sonsothunder.com _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution on 12/21/07 4:34 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Jim, > > Why are you using a shared dmg? My OSX home folder appears as a hard > disk in Sheepshaver. You can tell Sheepshaver to mount any folder you > like as a hard disk. Just be a bit careful with special folders. > Sheepshaver tends to move your desktop folder around. > > Best, > > Mark > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk > Consultancy and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > > Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. > Download at http://www.salery.biz > > Op 21-dec-2007, om 21:04 heeft Jim Carwardine het volgende geschreven: > >> To print from SheepShaver, I use an old desktop printer utility called >> PrintToPDF. I then bring the pdf over to the MacIntel using the >> shared >> .dmg... Jim >> >> >> on 11/30/07 4:02 AM, Jack Stroh wrote: >> >>> Did you ever get an answer regarding printing with sheepshaver? >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Jack Stroh >>> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Jim Carwardine, President & CEO OYF Consulting Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339 Fx. 902.823-2139 StrategicDoing?: Execution depends on employees. Strategic Partner with HiringSmart Canada Ltd. -- From chipp at chipp.com Sat Dec 22 04:45:32 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:45:32 -0600 Subject: revBrowser system requirements In-Reply-To: <9E5FAF6F-47F7-43C5-ABFE-4BE3C0136EB2@gmail.com> References: <5A657221-F947-4130-8143-E40B6E5E4A57@gmail.com> <7aa52a210712210126q56eb63fcu578908362a17984f@mail.gmail.com> <9E5FAF6F-47F7-43C5-ABFE-4BE3C0136EB2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712220145j67600813x99f55c925ec8d389@mail.gmail.com> Hi Chris, I no longer know, as we don't make revBrowser anymore. My guess is it should work with Win2000 and above w/out problems, but the Mac is much more squirrelly as Apple's constantly changing WebKit. Perhaps only Panther and above...perhaps even Tiger and above. I doubt it works anymore in Jaguar, but maybe someone here can test? best, Chipp On Dec 21, 2007 9:11 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: > Thanks Chipp. How about the min versions of the OSs supported? Win > 2000? Win XP? Panther? Tiger? > From chipp at chipp.com Sat Dec 22 04:52:04 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 03:52:04 -0600 Subject: [OT:3D] Happy Holidays! Message-ID: <7aa52a210712220152g45daccf8p547a1f0a0b0efb4e@mail.gmail.com> Wishing the best of the Holiday season for all the friends here on this list. It seems just like St. Nic, we've traveled miles and miles together over the years. http://www.gadgetplugins.com/chippstuff/MerryXmas.gif A little Christmas card I made. If you stare at it long enough, it should look '3D' -- or possibly you may get sick. Warning: Those offended by caricatures of Santa and his reindeer might not want to view ;-) From eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com Sat Dec 22 08:10:59 2007 From: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com (Eric Chatonet) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 14:10:59 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Tiny Christmas gift Message-ID: Hi all, Often I loose time switching back and forth the main option menu of any properties palette to refresh its contents because I have modified something directly in the layout or by running some code (custom properties, contents of a control, etc.) and the palette does not reflects these changes I have just made. So I have built a patch allowing the property palette to be refreshed just by selecting again the same option menu item without having to switch to another pane and it is really less boring and faster... Just type in the message box: go url "http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/downloads/ PropertiesPaletteRefreshPatch.rev" And happy holidays to all of you :-) Best regards from Paris, Eric Chatonet. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Plugins and tutorials for Revolution: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Email: eric.chatonet at sosmartsoftware.com/ ---------------------------------------------------------------- From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sat Dec 22 09:48:11 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 15:48:11 +0100 Subject: [ANN] Tiny Christmas gift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FE6C9B1-842D-4F8F-BEEB-8133ECAA2335@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Eric, Thanks for the patch. Did you post this as an enhancement request to QCC? Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 22-dec-2007, om 14:10 heeft Eric Chatonet het volgende geschreven: > Hi all, > > Often I loose time switching back and forth the main option menu of > any properties palette to refresh its contents because I have > modified something directly in the layout or by running some code > (custom properties, contents of a control, etc.) and the palette > does not reflects these changes I have just made. > So I have built a patch allowing the property palette to be > refreshed just by selecting again the same option menu item without > having to switch to another pane and it is really less boring and > faster... > > Just type in the message box: > go url "http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/downloads/ > PropertiesPaletteRefreshPatch.rev" > > And happy holidays to all of you :-) > > Best regards from Paris, > Eric Chatonet. From geradamas at yahoo.com Sat Dec 22 13:34:14 2007 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 18:34:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [OT] Lord Ganesh Message-ID: <55537.80894.qm@web37511.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Not to be outdone by Siva Katir Swami I would like to remind people that 25th of December is the festival of another of God's manifestations by wishing all and everyone a very Happy Christmas. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Sat Dec 22 13:47:50 2007 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:47:50 -0800 Subject: Merry Christmas from Toon Santa; Get a Free (3D) iPhone/iPod/iMac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712220152g45daccf8p547a1f0a0b0efb4e@mail.gmail.com> References: <7aa52a210712220152g45daccf8p547a1f0a0b0efb4e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <027001c844cb$27c63490$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> http://www.mirye.com/images/banners/toonsanta2007.jpg I like it, Chipp! Oooh, oooh, I cant let Chipp get out a 3D image without trying to meet his challenge :-) Our Toon Santa character (part of our 3D IP business) is the official Santa on NORAD's Santa tracker for a third year. They didn't get our "King of the Northpole" theme until too late though. Here's a render of Toon Santa 2007 with Mrs Toon Santa 2007. If you stop by http://www.toonsanta.com, you can find instructions on how to get 3D versions of the iPhone, iPod(s) and iMac - these are available for free - help yourself :-) Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com -Mirye Software Publishing - NA Publishers of Runtime Revolution http://www.mirye.com > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Chipp Walters > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 1:52 AM > To: How to use Revolution > Subject: [OT:3D] Happy Holidays! > > Wishing the best of the Holiday season for all the friends > here on this list. It seems just like St. Nic, we've traveled > miles and miles together over the years. > > http://www.gadgetplugins.com/chippstuff/MerryXmas.gif > > A little Christmas card I made. If you stare at it long > enough, it should look '3D' -- or possibly you may get sick. > > Warning: Those offended by caricatures of Santa and his > reindeer might not want to view ;-) > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From st.king42 at ntlworld.com Sat Dec 22 14:22:42 2007 From: st.king42 at ntlworld.com (Stephen King) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 19:22:42 -0000 Subject: Grpah and Page formatting in Rev In-Reply-To: <20071222180005.2F116488ECF@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071222180005.2F116488ECF@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <000001c844d0$07776290$4302a8c0@upstairs> Hi I have been out of the Revolution loop for some time, but may rejoin with the latest bundle offer. The one area I felt rev really lacked was easy page formatting for printing and graph capability. Have any of these been improved since 2.6 (or will they in the upcoming 2.9). Being able to print single and multipage formatted outputs is important in most of what I do and in the past, I have not really found a good graph plugin to get over Revs lack of graph ability Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated Cheers Steve From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sat Dec 22 14:39:14 2007 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:39:14 -0600 Subject: Grpah and Page formatting in Rev In-Reply-To: <000001c844d0$07776290$4302a8c0@upstairs> References: <20071222180005.2F116488ECF@mail.runrev.com> <000001c844d0$07776290$4302a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: You should consider upgrading while Rev has it's bundle promotion going: http://www.runrev.com/offers/rshb/index.php?id=frontdoor this bundle includes Quartam Reports for Rev , which should do what you want: http://www.quartam.com/ sqb >Hi > >I have been out of the Revolution loop for some time, but may rejoin with >the latest bundle offer. >The one area I felt rev really lacked was easy page formatting for printing >and graph capability. Have any of these been improved since 2.6 (or will >they in the upcoming 2.9). >Being able to print single and multipage formatted outputs is important in >most of what I do and in the past, I have not really found a good graph >plugin to get over Revs lack of graph ability > >Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated > >Cheers >Steve > >_______________________________________________ >use-revolution mailing list >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >subscription preferences: >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From jamesjrichards at lineone.net Sun Dec 23 02:05:58 2007 From: jamesjrichards at lineone.net (James Richards) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:05:58 +0000 Subject: Studio Super Bundle In-Reply-To: References: <74B11EF6-93B7-42BA-99D8-487B05439D8B@azurevision.co.uk> Message-ID: <408A147A-8601-4AAF-9E8D-4BFAC06B699B@lineone.net> Randy, You probably need to email support@ rather than this list. James On 21 Dec 07, at 9:30p.m., Randy Hengst wrote: > Hi Heather, > > I just ordered the Super Bundle this afternoon. When I went through > the process I received a notice that my card was rejected. So, I > tried again and received the same notice. Well, I just received a > call from my credit card company and both transactions went > through. Needless to say, I don't want two super bundles. So, how > might I go about getting a refund for one of them? > > Sorry to trouble you with this. > > Hope your holidays are grand. > > take care, > randy hengst > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- James J Richards jamesjrichards at lineone.net Tel. +44 (0)15394 43063 From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Dec 23 05:18:14 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:18:14 +0100 Subject: RevFont not working on Mac Intel Message-ID: <3379C570-9136-44C0-9DFE-9AA3B294C1FE@economy-x-talk.com> Hi, While working on a client's project, I encountered a problem with revFont.dll. I am trying to make it work on Windows XP on a Mac Intel. I have tried the external with Rev 2.8.1 and 2.9-dp-3. The first time I use this external, all works fine. The unicode fonts I'm using load correctly and I can enter text using all characters of the font (ranging from 0x0100 to 0xE6FF). After writing some text, I quit the standalone or Revolution and want to try again. The second time, the external and the fonts seem to load, but I can't get any visible text. The unicodeText property has been set correctly, but the text is just not rendered. It looks there are only a few tabs in the field. On my PC, all works fine. The problem only occurs with Win XP running on the Mac. Has anyone else seen this or similar behaviour? Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com From pepetoo at cox.net Sun Dec 23 11:58:14 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 08:58:14 -0800 Subject: RevFont not working on Mac Intel In-Reply-To: <3379C570-9136-44C0-9DFE-9AA3B294C1FE@economy-x-talk.com> References: <3379C570-9136-44C0-9DFE-9AA3B294C1FE@economy-x-talk.com> Message-ID: <2D589BAF-189A-4F85-A14D-5ABCE03707C1@cox.net> Hi Mark, This is the problem that I presented to the list a couple of weeks ago. In my case, I'm using XP under VMWare's Fusion on an IntelMac. Some of my textfields appear, but some others do not. They, apparently, are present, since they are read when the card opens, and you can hear them being read; you just can't see them. I have yet to test the reading feature for all of the missing text. In my case, I'm pretty sure that I am not using the revFont.dll, unless Rev uses it on its own when creating the Windows standalone. Also, I have not checked it out with the 2.9 beta yet. Nor have I had the opportunity to check it out on a real PC Box. If I can share any additional info, please let me know. Joe Wilkins On Dec 23, 2007, at 2:18 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Hi, > > While working on a client's project, I encountered a problem with > revFont.dll. I am trying to make it work on Windows XP on a Mac > Intel. I have tried the external with Rev 2.8.1 and 2.9-dp-3. > > The first time I use this external, all works fine. The unicode > fonts I'm using load correctly and I can enter text using all > characters of the font (ranging from 0x0100 to 0xE6FF). > > After writing some text, I quit the standalone or Revolution and > want to try again. The second time, the external and the fonts seem > to load, but I can't get any visible text. The unicodeText property > has been set correctly, but the text is just not rendered. It looks > there are only a few tabs in the field. > > On my PC, all works fine. The problem only occurs with Win XP > running on the Mac. > > Has anyone else seen this or similar behaviour? > > Best regards, > > Mark Schonewille > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > > Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. > http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From toncardona at mac.com Sun Dec 23 13:17:18 2007 From: toncardona at mac.com (Meliton Cardona) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:17:18 +0100 Subject: Graphics disappear Message-ID: <25921EA1-704B-40D8-A462-BA31C294F49D@mac.com> On a new macBookPro intel core 2 duo, under system 10.5.1, my stacks show an erratic behaviour. Buttons, fields etc disappear and come back without apparent reason. I am using studio rev 2.8.1 Any hints? Ton Cardona From st.king42 at ntlworld.com Sun Dec 23 13:23:48 2007 From: st.king42 at ntlworld.com (Stephen King) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:23:48 -0000 Subject: Re Graphs and text reports In-Reply-To: <20071223180004.0CE8D489048@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071223180004.0CE8D489048@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <000001c84590$f78dc650$4302a8c0@upstairs> Thanks Sounds OK for text, does Quartam do graphs as well (couldn't find them mentioned in the features)? Cheers Steve -You should consider upgrading while Rev has it's bundle promotion going: -http://www.runrev.com/offers/rshb/index.php?id=frontdoor -this bundle includes Quartam Reports for Rev , which should do what you -want: -http://www.quartam.com/ -sqb >Hi > >I have been out of the Revolution loop for some time, but may rejoin with >the latest bundle offer. >The one area I felt rev really lacked was easy page formatting for printing >and graph capability. Have any of these been improved since 2.6 (or will >they in the upcoming 2.9). >Being able to print single and multipage formatted outputs is important in >most of what I do and in the past, I have not really found a good graph >plugin to get over Revs lack of graph ability > >Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated > >Cheers >Steve From mark at maseurope.net Sun Dec 23 13:30:41 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:30:41 +0000 Subject: Re Graphs and text reports In-Reply-To: <000001c84590$f78dc650$4302a8c0@upstairs> References: <20071223180004.0CE8D489048@mail.runrev.com> <000001c84590$f78dc650$4302a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <08DA0B60-A921-4DD3-8E82-CF3E9FB0CE52@maseurope.net> I don't think it does. While simple graphs, (and even some less simple ones) are not a huge stretch in Revolution, some of the ancillary things like rotated text and so on are difficult, if not impossible. (I'd be very happy to be wrong about that, if anyone knows better). Best, Mark On 23 Dec 2007, at 18:23, Stephen King wrote: > Thanks > > Sounds OK for text, does Quartam do graphs as well (couldn't find them > mentioned in the features)? > > Cheers > Steve > > -You should consider upgrading while Rev has it's bundle promotion > going: > -http://www.runrev.com/offers/rshb/index.php?id=frontdoor > > > -this bundle includes Quartam Reports for Rev , which should do > what you > -want: > -http://www.quartam.com/ > > -sqb > >> Hi >> >> I have been out of the Revolution loop for some time, but may >> rejoin with >> the latest bundle offer. >> The one area I felt rev really lacked was easy page formatting for >> printing >> and graph capability. Have any of these been improved since 2.6 >> (or will >> they in the upcoming 2.9). >> Being able to print single and multipage formatted outputs is >> important in >> most of what I do and in the past, I have not really found a good >> graph >> plugin to get over Revs lack of graph ability >> >> Any feedback on this would be greatly appreciated >> >> Cheers >> Steve > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From hershf at rgllc.us Sun Dec 23 16:05:44 2007 From: hershf at rgllc.us (Hershel Fisch) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:05:44 -0500 Subject: Cgi frames wondering In-Reply-To: <47648D58.6040804@hindu.org> Message-ID: On 12/15/07 9:28 PM, "Sivakatirswami" wrote: Thanks, to all. Here is what I did after playing around quite a bit, somebody might make use of it. I put all the files into the "webServer/Documents/fileName" folder, the links I put src="/Documents/theFileName" meaning I added the "/" to the beginning of the file name and placed all files excluding the "cgi" file, into a file branching off the "Documents" of the webServer folder. I didn't succeed to make it work thru the cgi folder. Good luck using it, Hershel > Hershel Fisch wrote: >> On 12/13/07 6:51 PM, "Dave Cragg" wrote: >> >> >>> I meant something like this: >>> >>> src="http://127.0.0.1/frame2.html" >>> >> I can't figure it out. >> U the example from the tutorial and added the background to the body >> and ??????? >> >> >> >> Tip of the Day >> >> >>
>> A random tip served by a Revolution CGI: >>

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>> >> >> >> If I just open it up with a browser it works, doing it with rev cgi not, >> meaning the background doesn't show up. >> And with a browser I don't need the path. >> May be this not the way to set the path? I added put the defaultFolder and >> this is what the browser returned. >> "/Library/WebServer/CGI-Executables" >> >> Thans, Hershel >> > Random possible parts to help your puzzle: > > 1) the default folder returned by the CGI will be: the > cgi-executables.. as you have seen. > > 2) *but* the "default folder" which apache uses to serving files is: > > DocumentRoot "/Library/WebServer/Documents" > > and you don't need to declare that pathin your html > > in your cgi's you need write files out with a full path from root or a > relative path like this: > > 3) Root relative URL will *not work* on OSX unless you do some special > configurations.. > (means you are using Apples Server Admin tool or you are a cmd line > wizard who can > edit httpd.conf and really know what he is doing.. > > i.e. you cannot do: > > src="/SomeNewCoolSiteArea/*.html" > > You have to > > 3) put tHtmlCode into url ("file:../Documents/RevTips.html") > > 4) typically I will declare the default folder where my CGI is to be > reading and writing files from right away at the top of the cgi > > set the defaultFolder to "../Documents/SomeNewCoolSiteArea/" > > 5) Now you simple read and write files to > > put someHTML into url "frames.html > > 6) then in your html you have > > > > hth > > > >>> And place the "frame2.html" file in the html document tree, "not" the >>> cgi-bin folder. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Dave >>> >>> >>>> second it does work with everything else excluding frames meaning >>>> works fine >>>> doing the tutorial from hyperlynk. >>>> Hershel >>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Dave >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>>> subscription >>>>> preferences: >>>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> use-revolution mailing list >>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>>> subscription preferences: >>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >>> preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription >> preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Dec 23 17:21:28 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 23:21:28 +0100 Subject: RevFont not working on Mac Intel In-Reply-To: <2D589BAF-189A-4F85-A14D-5ABCE03707C1@cox.net> References: <3379C570-9136-44C0-9DFE-9AA3B294C1FE@economy-x-talk.com> <2D589BAF-189A-4F85-A14D-5ABCE03707C1@cox.net> Message-ID: Thanks for your reply, Joe, but I am talking about unicode text that doesn't appear when using the RevFont external. I am not talking about disappearing fields. I'm sure your problem is something completely different and if I remember correctly The Kevin himself posted a solution. Best, Mark -- Economy-x-Talk Consultancy and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store software. Download at http://www.salery.biz Op 23-dec-2007, om 17:58 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende geschreven: > Hi Mark, > > This is the problem that I presented to the list a couple of weeks > ago. In my case, I'm using XP under VMWare's Fusion on an IntelMac. > Some of my textfields appear, but some others do not. They, > apparently, are present, since they are read when the card opens, > and you can hear them being read; you just can't see them. I have > yet to test the reading feature for all of the missing text. In my > case, I'm pretty sure that I am not using the revFont.dll, unless > Rev uses it on its own when creating the Windows standalone. Also, > I have not checked it out with the 2.9 beta yet. Nor have I had the > opportunity to check it out on a real PC Box. > > If I can share any additional info, please let me know. > > Joe Wilkins > From pepetoo at cox.net Sun Dec 23 17:42:15 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 14:42:15 -0800 Subject: RevFont not working on Mac Intel In-Reply-To: References: <3379C570-9136-44C0-9DFE-9AA3B294C1FE@economy-x-talk.com> <2D589BAF-189A-4F85-A14D-5ABCE03707C1@cox.net> Message-ID: <1990B6C7-FDCE-4C77-8810-2FA6842573D9@cox.net> Drat, I must have missed Kevin's post. I suspect the problems may still be somewhat related, so I'll be interested in what surfaces from your search. Thanks. Joe Wilkins On Dec 23, 2007, at 2:21 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Thanks for your reply, Joe, but I am talking about unicode text > that doesn't appear when using the RevFont external. I am not > talking about disappearing fields. I'm sure your problem is > something completely different and if I remember correctly The > Kevin himself posted a solution. > > Best, > > Mark > > -- > > Economy-x-Talk > Consultancy and Software Engineering > http://economy-x-talk.com > http://www.salery.biz > > Get your store on-line within minutes with Salery Web Store > software. Download at http://www.salery.biz > > Op 23-dec-2007, om 17:58 heeft Joe Lewis Wilkins het volgende > geschreven: > >> Hi Mark, >> >> This is the problem that I presented to the list a couple of weeks >> ago. In my case, I'm using XP under VMWare's Fusion on an >> IntelMac. Some of my textfields appear, but some others do not. >> They, apparently, are present, since they are read when the card >> opens, and you can hear them being read; you just can't see them. >> I have yet to test the reading feature for all of the missing >> text. In my case, I'm pretty sure that I am not using the >> revFont.dll, unless Rev uses it on its own when creating the >> Windows standalone. Also, I have not checked it out with the 2.9 >> beta yet. Nor have I had the opportunity to check it out on a real >> PC Box. >> >> If I can share any additional info, please let me know. >> >> Joe Wilkins >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sun Dec 23 17:58:43 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:58:43 +1000 Subject: Graphics disappear In-Reply-To: <25921EA1-704B-40D8-A462-BA31C294F49D@mac.com> References: <25921EA1-704B-40D8-A462-BA31C294F49D@mac.com> Message-ID: On Dec 24, 2007 4:17 AM, Meliton Cardona wrote: > On a new macBookPro intel core 2 duo, under system 10.5.1, my stacks > show an erratic behaviour. Buttons, fields etc disappear and come back > without apparent reason. I bet these are stacks set to metal. Leopard changed the metal look and it no longer works properly with Revolution. Just turn off metal until RunRev work out the solution. Cheers, Sarah From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Sun Dec 23 20:36:15 2007 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:36:15 -0600 Subject: Graphics disappear In-Reply-To: References: <25921EA1-704B-40D8-A462-BA31C294F49D@mac.com> Message-ID: There have been issues with metal and Rev off and on for a while to the point where if I needed the metal look I would use a metal bg graphic instead. A bit more involved than a checkbox Something to try: See Eric Chartonet's Tutorial picker for the method. (The metal graphic is supplied) here's the whole tutorial. Amost as fast to download the package. http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/?r=revolution_didacticiels&l=en select #003 How to install a brushed metal skin on all platforms: you can see right away if it works. > >I bet these are stacks set to metal. Leopard changed the metal look >and it no longer works properly with Revolution. Just turn off metal >until RunRev work out the solution. > >Cheers, >Sarah -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From chipp at chipp.com Mon Dec 24 05:04:34 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 04:04:34 -0600 Subject: Merry Christmas from Toon Santa; Get a Free (3D) iPhone/iPod/iMac In-Reply-To: <027001c844cb$27c63490$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> References: <7aa52a210712220152g45daccf8p547a1f0a0b0efb4e@mail.gmail.com> <027001c844cb$27c63490$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712240204w4b62a95chb2591e91d7e256f1@mail.gmail.com> Lynn, Nice modeling on Toon Santa! Though I do prefer him in red and white. Keep up the good work and have a Happy Holiday:-) From revlist at azurevision.co.uk Sun Dec 23 14:29:53 2007 From: revlist at azurevision.co.uk (Ian Wood) Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:29:53 +0100 Subject: Re Graphs and text reports In-Reply-To: <08DA0B60-A921-4DD3-8E82-CF3E9FB0CE52@maseurope.net> References: <20071223180004.0CE8D489048@mail.runrev.com> <000001c84590$f78dc650$4302a8c0@upstairs> <08DA0B60-A921-4DD3-8E82-CF3E9FB0CE52@maseurope.net> Message-ID: <2835ECC5-9CD9-4BA9-920F-515A68C39493@azurevision.co.uk> On 23 Dec 2007, at 19:30, Mark Smith wrote: > While simple graphs, (and even some less simple ones) are not a huge > stretch in Revolution, some of the ancillary things like rotated > text and so on are difficult, if not impossible. Currently, pretty much the only option is to take snapshots of a field and rotate the snapshot. Ian From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Dec 24 11:39:48 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:39:48 -0800 Subject: Merry Christmas from Toon Santa Message-ID: <476FE0D4.5030501@fourthworld.com> As long as we're tossing around Christmas renderings, here's an old one from our vaults that may be of interest for SETI analysts: Merry Christmas to y'all. :) -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon Dec 24 11:50:12 2007 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:50:12 -0800 Subject: Merry Christmas from Toon Santa; Get a Free (3D) iPhone/iPod/iMac In-Reply-To: <7aa52a210712240204w4b62a95chb2591e91d7e256f1@mail.gmail.com> References: <7aa52a210712220152g45daccf8p547a1f0a0b0efb4e@mail.gmail.com><027001c844cb$27c63490$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> <7aa52a210712240204w4b62a95chb2591e91d7e256f1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <020f01c8464d$0dc2b770$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> > Lynn, > > Nice modeling on Toon Santa! Though I do prefer him in red > and white. Keep up the good work and have a Happy Holiday:-) Thanks Chipp! That's our "King of the North Pole" theme - you can still use his traditional red with the poses and props. Have a great Christmas! Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com From lfredricks at proactive-intl.com Mon Dec 24 11:51:11 2007 From: lfredricks at proactive-intl.com (Lynn Fredricks) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 08:51:11 -0800 Subject: Merry Christmas from Toon Santa In-Reply-To: <476FE0D4.5030501@fourthworld.com> References: <476FE0D4.5030501@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <021001c8464d$304937b0$6501a8c0@GATEWAY> > As long as we're tossing around Christmas renderings, here's > an old one from our vaults that may be of interest for SETI analysts: > > > > Merry Christmas to y'all. > > :) You should send that one to NORAD! Best regards, Lynn Fredricks President Proactive International, LLC - Because it is about who you know.(tm) http://www.proactive-intl.com From pmbrig at gmail.com Mon Dec 24 12:30:07 2007 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:30:07 -0500 Subject: application icon not appearing in OSX Message-ID: <2CFC08EC-A47D-48B9-8273-E6DB0D0A08C9@gmail.com> So before I create my standalone, I choose the icon file I want to be assigned to my app in the standalone builder settings -- a 128x128 png file -- and then build the standalone. It appears after the build with a generic app icon. I understand that the standalone builder fails to "touch" the app to notify the Finder that the icon has been changed to a custom icon. Somewhere recently on this list I read that zipping then unzipping it will force the Finder to look at the icon in the bundle, but when I do this I still have the generic icon on the newly-unzipped app. In fact, there's a problem with zipping/unzipping. What I have been doing is after building the standalone I have been manually pasting the correct icon into the Finder's "get info" panel for the app, which sets the icon fine (the icon appears correctly in the dock and in Finder windows). But when I zip the correctly-icon-ed standalone then unzip it again, it's back to a generic icon. As a result, my users will be getting the generically icon-ed app when they download the zip file from my website. I checked inside the application bundle, and the "Revolution.icns" file in the Resources folder after the build is indeed my custom icon, and ibid for the app after the unzip. So it looks like everything is as it should be, but still the app doesn't appear properly in the Finder after the build or after any unzipping. Should the png file be named "Revolution.icns" in the bundle, or something else? I voted for bug 3057 (which also mentions the zip/unzip technique), but this is a new difficulty, now that the zip/unzip fails for me. Any suggestions so the Mac custom icon gets firmly attached to the standalone, and survives unzipping? (and I haven't even tried to tackle the WIndows icon issue yet...) Mac iBook G4, OSX 10.4.1, Studio 2.8.1 build 471 -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ -- If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague. From toncardona at mac.com Mon Dec 24 13:34:12 2007 From: toncardona at mac.com (Meliton Cardona) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:34:12 +0100 Subject: Metal Message-ID: Sarah was, as usual, right. Thanks to Stephen Barncard, too. Happy new year to you all. Melit?n Cardona From jim at oyfconsulting.com Mon Dec 24 15:04:30 2007 From: jim at oyfconsulting.com (Jim Carwardine) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:04:30 -0400 Subject: Web Store in Rev??? In-Reply-To: <476FE0D4.5030501@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks... Has anyone produced a web store using Rev?... Jim Jim Carwardine, President & CEO OYF Consulting Ph. 902.823.2339 / 866.601.2339 Fx. 902.823-2139 StrategicDoing?: Execution depends on employees. Strategic Partner with HiringSmart Canada Ltd. -- From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Mon Dec 24 17:58:05 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:58:05 +0100 Subject: Web Store in Rev??? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6A26698D-0878-4B3A-9F9E-EB9A18BE11DB@economy-x-talk.com> Hi Jim, Not a real web store, since it lacks a shopping cart and built-in credit card processing and such, but you might want to have a look at . I'm still working on this pet project and release a new version once in a while. Feel free to contact me off- list with questions or suggestions. Merry Christmas! Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 24-dec-2007, om 21:04 heeft Jim Carwardine het volgende geschreven: > Hi Folks... Has anyone produced a web store using Rev?... Jim > From jacque at hyperactivesw.com Mon Dec 24 21:52:24 2007 From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay) Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:52:24 -0600 Subject: application icon not appearing in OSX In-Reply-To: <2CFC08EC-A47D-48B9-8273-E6DB0D0A08C9@gmail.com> References: <2CFC08EC-A47D-48B9-8273-E6DB0D0A08C9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47707068.5070809@hyperactivesw.com> Peter Brigham wrote: > So before I create my standalone, I choose the icon file I want to be > assigned to my app in the standalone builder settings -- a 128x128 png > file -- and then build the standalone. It appears after the build with a > generic app icon. I understand that the standalone builder fails to > "touch" the app to notify the Finder that the icon has been changed to a > custom icon. Somewhere recently on this list I read that zipping then > unzipping it will force the Finder to look at the icon in the bundle, > but when I do this I still have the generic icon on the newly-unzipped app. I don't think this is the "touch" issue. OS X icon files are actually composites of several images at different sizes and bit depths, which are stored together in a specially crafted .icns file. Mac OS X Developer Tools has a utility called "Icon Composer" that is easy to use and produces basic .icns files. Photoshop can also produce them (Chipp has a tutorial on it somewhere on his site, maybe he'll provide a link.) Graphic Converter can make them too. Windows requires a similar kind of composite file which most Windows icon programs can produce. For either OS, point the standalone builder to the composite file. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com From geradamas at yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 06:51:09 2007 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 11:51:09 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Back to the Future with Hypercard Message-ID: <167448.70423.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just 'lifted' the following from the Yahoo Hypercard group: ________________________ Brett Sher came across this video of a Computer Chronicles show about HyperCard (c. 1987). Bill Atkinson, Dan Winkler, Danny Goodman and others explain what HyperCard is, in a show sure to raise lots of nostalgia. http://www.archive.org/details/CC501_hypercard _______________________ Nostalgia aside: A very good program that makes all sorts of points that somehow seem to have been lost sight of to a certain extent. I am downloading the 2GB high-quality version and will pop it on my "interesting stuff" hard-drive for future enjoyment and reference. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Tue Dec 25 10:03:55 2007 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 09:03:55 -0600 Subject: Back to the Future with Hypercard Message-ID: This is incredible. Thanks. Nice to see our early HC heros in their prime, and their passion. sqb >HyperCard (c. 1987). Bill Atkinson, Dan Winkler, Danny >Goodman and >others explain what HyperCard is, in a show sure to >raise lots of >nostalgia. > >http://www.archive.org/details/CC501_hypercard > > >sincerely, Richmond Mathewson -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From geradamas at yahoo.com Tue Dec 25 13:26:01 2007 From: geradamas at yahoo.com (Richmond Mathewson) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:26:01 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Back to the Future with Hypercard Message-ID: <109200.24086.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A word of warning to the wise; the 2 GB mpeg file at:- http://www.archive.org/details/CC501_hypercard needs a fair bit of post-processing if you want to view it on Quicktime. I used ffmpegX - http://homepage.mac.com/major4/ - and, the first time round got a "squished" image; i.e. the 640 x 480 picture got turned into a 640 x 352 image; so be careful to twiddle with the ffmpegX settings rather than just hitting ENCODE. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson ____________________________________________________________ A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ____________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________________ Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com From jeff at siphonophore.com Tue Dec 25 14:45:00 2007 From: jeff at siphonophore.com (Jeff Reynolds) Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:45:00 -0500 Subject: Back to the Future with Hypercard In-Reply-To: <20071225180004.2A2014890B0@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071225180004.2A2014890B0@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: Richard, thanks sooo much, wonderful piece! takes me back to grad school in molecular biology at berkeley when one of the post docs bought a mac on one of her grants. luckily she had no idea of what to do with it besides writing papers, i, on the other hand, devoured the thing! i had had played with apple IIs and z80s (had one of the first sinclair Z80s and Basis 108s), but being partially dyslexic, c and pascal were painful for me and basic rather limiting (but did push it pretty far). hypertalk was bearable in finding errors in code for me and catapulted me into multimedia education after grad school (after decided i didn't want to be a professor the rest of my life). had great fun for the next decade using hypercard creating training and data base system for whale research, museum exhibits and educational multimedia cdroms! luckily when hc was fading mc (just at the right time, thanks scott!) came along and here we all are! sure many others on the list followed very similar paths in life! Also fondly remember the Computer Chronicles! Glad to find this archive! cheers, jeff reynolds On Dec 25, 2007, at 1:00 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote: > Brett Sher came across this video of a Computer > Chronicles show about > HyperCard (c. 1987). Bill Atkinson, Dan Winkler, Danny > Goodman and > others explain what HyperCard is, in a show sure to > raise lots of > nostalgia. > > http://www.archive.org/details/CC501_hypercard From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 01:57:39 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:57:39 +0800 Subject: [OT] Does Ken have a long lost brother Message-ID: Does Ken Ray have a brother he doesn't know about? Or is it the son of a son of thunder? Check these two sites: http://www.truenorthsoftware.com/Realbasic/download.html http://www.sonsothunder.com/home/home.htm The logos, the fonts, the colours, and even the developer tools... so similar yet... different. Hope everyone had a great Christmas. From kray at sonsothunder.com Wed Dec 26 03:13:42 2007 From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 02:13:42 -0600 Subject: [OT] Does Ken have a long lost brother In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20071226021342899547.c95b0d78@sonsothunder.com> On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 14:57:39 +0800, Kay C Lan wrote: > Does Ken Ray have a brother he doesn't know about? Or is it the son of a son > of thunder? I have a brother I *do* know about, and two sons, but none of them have that web site. :-) > The logos, the fonts, the colours, and even the developer tools... so > similar yet... different. Perhaps they just liked my web site format... ;-) > Hope everyone had a great Christmas. Hope you did as well! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: kray at sonsothunder.com Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ From st.king42 at ntlworld.com Wed Dec 26 06:56:24 2007 From: st.king42 at ntlworld.com (Stephen King) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:56:24 -0000 Subject: Help - Building standalone on windows errors with Can't open Stackfile... In-Reply-To: <20071225180004.2A2014890B0@mail.runrev.com> References: <20071225180004.2A2014890B0@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: <000b01c847b6$5810dfe0$4302a8c0@upstairs> Hi I am using 2.5.1 and have hit a problem with building the standalone and hope someone has a solution (or I have to go back a long way to an earlier version) I am building a standalone that saves data so using move into individual stackfiles. I had a problem at one point (have no idea what happened) when a bunch of copies of rev cursors appeared in my application browser. Eventually got rid of them, but at around the same time, if I build a standalone, it goes through the process until the end then comes up with a red cross window saying Can't open Stackfile... (name of my stackfile). In the build folder there is an exe only and if I try to open it I get an error 0,0. Earlier versions of my app build Ok, so I think it's something to do with when these rev cursor substacks appeared If no one has any ideas, what is the easiest way to port all my cards and stacks to a new clean build? I assume Rev can only have one stackfile open at a time Cheers Steve From pmbrig at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 11:08:31 2007 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 11:08:31 -0500 Subject: application icon not appearing in OSX Message-ID: "J. Landman Gay" wrote: > Peter Brigham wrote: > >> So before I create my standalone, I choose the icon file I want to be >> assigned to my app in the standalone builder settings -- a 128x128 >> png >> file -- and then build the standalone. It appears after the build >> with a >> generic app icon. I understand that the standalone builder fails to >> "touch" the app to notify the Finder that the icon has been >> changed to a >> custom icon. Somewhere recently on this list I read that zipping then >> unzipping it will force the Finder to look at the icon in the bundle, >> but when I do this I still have the generic icon on the newly- >> unzipped app. >> > > I don't think this is the "touch" issue. OS X icon files are actually > composites of several images at different sizes and bit depths, which > are stored together in a specially crafted .icns file. Mac OS X > Developer Tools has a utility called "Icon Composer" that is easy > to use > and produces basic .icns files. Photoshop can also produce them (Chipp > has a tutorial on it somewhere on his site, maybe he'll provide a > link.) > Graphic Converter can make them too. > > Windows requires a similar kind of composite file which most Windows > icon programs can produce. > > For either OS, point the standalone builder to the composite file. Thanks. I used Iconographer to make a .icns file and after some tweaking got the icon to show up. Problem solved. Now on to creating a Windows icon.... -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ -- "It's better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." -- Mark Twain From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com Wed Dec 26 11:58:00 2007 From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 10:58:00 -0600 Subject: Back to the Future with Hypercard In-Reply-To: <109200.24086.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <109200.24086.qm@web37507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <47728818.8050400@dreamscapesoftware.com> Thank you Richmond for posting that link. It brought back memories of when I first started using HyperCard and how it made my dreams of developing software come alive. For the life of me I could never understand why Apple abandoned HyperCard. But, better for RunRev then. Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com ___________________________________________________________________ Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ Richmond Mathewson wrote: > A word of warning to the wise; the 2 GB mpeg file at:- > > http://www.archive.org/details/CC501_hypercard > > needs a fair bit of post-processing if you want to > view it on Quicktime. > > I used ffmpegX > > - http://homepage.mac.com/major4/ - > > and, the first time round got a "squished" image; i.e. > the 640 x 480 picture got turned into a 640 x 352 > image; > > so be careful to twiddle with the ffmpegX settings > rather than just hitting ENCODE. > > sincerely, Richmond Mathewson > > ____________________________________________________________ > > A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. > ____________________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________________ > Sent from Yahoo! Mail - a smarter inbox http://uk.mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Wed Dec 26 15:50:30 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 06:50:30 +1000 Subject: application icon not appearing in OSX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Thanks. I used Iconographer to make a .icns file and after some > tweaking got the icon to show up. Problem solved. Now on to creating > a Windows icon.... Iconographer can do that too. Just load your OS X icon file and save as, choosing the Windows .ico format. Cheers, Sarah From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Wed Dec 26 20:32:59 2007 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:32:59 -0500 Subject: [ANN] Media Browser 001 Message-ID: <587AE982-0F75-4A00-B819-ED079396A4E5@wehostmacs.com> DESCRIPTION Plugin for Rev 2.8.x that will allow you to easily browse media file (images, audio and videos) from within Rev. USAGE Place the file "revMedia.rev" into the plugins folder Select the "revMedia" from the "Development > Plugins" menu Drag folders from the Finder or Windows Explorer (please note that this has not been tested in Windows, sorry) to the left column Click the folder name and the media will appear in the right column Click a file in the right column and a preview will appear below Click the "Place" button to place the current media into the top stack (please note that placed media are only placed by reference) SCREENSHOTS browsing images - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_1.png browsing audio - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_2.png browsing videos - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_3.png HISTORY 001 - initial release (still some work to be done for the fine tuning) From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Thu Dec 27 06:07:16 2007 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:07:16 +0000 Subject: Re-2: Where and how do you store SQL command Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestions. For now, i will use a text field in a hidden stack. But for the future version of my app, which will allow the user to select the field/rows, which should be selected from MS SQL server , i will use custom properties. All the best, Matthias From runrev260805 at m-r-d.de Thu Dec 27 06:17:28 2007 From: runrev260805 at m-r-d.de (runrev260805 at m-r-d.de) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 11:17:28 +0000 Subject: sync a local folder with a ftp folder Message-ID: Hi, i have to sync a local folder with about 5000 files with a ftp folder. If a new file is in the local folder or if a file has changed it has to be uploaded to the ftp folder. Okay, if i only had to upload new files, i could compare the files of the local and the remote folder. But i also have to upload changed files. Problem here is, that files stored on the ftp shows their modification date/time with 1 hour difference. Has anyone done such sync things already? Matthias From em at ville-chateauneuf.fr Tue Dec 18 13:01:17 2007 From: em at ville-chateauneuf.fr (Espace multimedia) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:01:17 +0100 Subject: How download revolution 2.9 beta ? Message-ID: Hello ! I sign up for the beta test of revolution 2.9, two weeks ago at http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php I've only received the "Welcome to the Revolution Beta Test Program" mail. No news since... It's a "bug" or it's normal ? Thanks. I want to profit from my holidays to test this new version. From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Dec 27 09:24:42 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:24:42 -0200 Subject: sync a local folder with a ftp folder In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712270624x3c102049g3b1e4d0777bd52dc@mail.gmail.com> Matthias, there are many recipes for sync, it all amounts on how perfect you want your sync to be. Changed files probably have a different timestamp and different size then their server siblings, so one way is to compare both size and timestamp. You can do that by FTP by using the libURLFtpCommand() call. The SIZE ftp command should return the size of the file in bytes, not all servers understand this command, you need to try. As for finding the date, this is a little trickier. I don't recall FTP having a command to return the time stamp of the file, some FTP servers will return the time stamps as a part of the LIST command but parsing those is not trivial as they differ from system to system, mostly they look like the output of 'ls -l' on a unix machine. If anyone here remmebers how to the get a date from a file using the command line, you can try to pass that command to the FTP server using the SITE command which is like the shell() call used in rev, for example, FTP has not way to set file attributes but with something like: libURLFTPCommand("SITE CHMOD 755 myfile", "ftp.example.com") you can set the attributes to 755. I don't know if SITE will accept anything, this could be a security risk as someone could issue 'SITE killall ftpd' and if he has the correct perms he would shutdown the server. If I can tell you a simple advise, I'd go like this, I'd make a file that is an index and holds metadata information about the files, this file would contain the size and modification dates for the files, so to sync, I'd download this index file and compare it with the local copy. When syncing, I'd generate a new up to date index file and upload it. Much easier than handling SITE, SIZE and the like. andre On 12/27/07, runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: > Hi, > > i have to sync a local folder with about 5000 files with a ftp folder. > If a new file is in the local folder or if a file has changed it has to be uploaded to the ftp folder. > > Okay, if i only had to upload new files, i could compare the files of the local and the remote folder. But i also have to upload changed files. > Problem here is, that files stored on the ftp shows their modification date/time with 1 hour difference. > > Has anyone done such sync things already? > > Matthias > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Dec 27 09:26:14 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:26:14 -0200 Subject: How download revolution 2.9 beta ? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712270626u1637797k65c9e071a2ac7cdd@mail.gmail.com> Bonjour Espace, On your revolution copy go to 'help' menu and click the 'check for updates', this should return that 2.9.0-dp-3 is available then you just follow the instructions. cheers andre On 12/18/07, Espace multimedia wrote: > Hello ! > > I sign up for the beta test of revolution 2.9, two weeks ago at > http://support.runrev.com/beta_test.php > I've only received the "Welcome to the Revolution Beta Test Program" > mail. > > No news since... > > It's a "bug" or it's normal ? > > > Thanks. I want to profit from my holidays to test this new version. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From andre at andregarzia.com Thu Dec 27 09:28:46 2007 From: andre at andregarzia.com (Andre Garzia) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:28:46 -0200 Subject: Help - Building standalone on windows errors with Can't open Stackfile... In-Reply-To: <000b01c847b6$5810dfe0$4302a8c0@upstairs> References: <20071225180004.2A2014890B0@mail.runrev.com> <000b01c847b6$5810dfe0$4302a8c0@upstairs> Message-ID: <7c87a2a10712270628x1b8454c9h8d34c2a453cb4c76@mail.gmail.com> Hello Steve, strange thing! :D Why don't you fetch Rev 2.5.1 again from Revolution FTP server, reinstall it and try again. I fear that maybe you broke some of the rev's own stacks... I don't know for sure but this error 0,0 is the beginning of a revolution error. A clean install might do the trick. Andre On 12/26/07, Stephen King wrote: > Hi > > I am using 2.5.1 and have hit a problem with building the standalone and > hope someone has a solution (or I have to go back a long way to an earlier > version) > > I am building a standalone that saves data so using move into individual > stackfiles. > > I had a problem at one point (have no idea what happened) when a bunch of > copies of rev cursors appeared in my application browser. Eventually got rid > of them, but at around the same time, if I build a standalone, it goes > through the process until the end then comes up with a red cross window > saying Can't open Stackfile... (name of my stackfile). > In the build folder there is an exe only and if I try to open it I get an > error 0,0. > Earlier versions of my app build Ok, so I think it's something to do with > when these rev cursor substacks appeared > > If no one has any ideas, what is the easiest way to port all my cards and > stacks to a new clean build? I assume Rev can only have one stackfile open > at a time > > Cheers > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > -- http://www.andregarzia.com All We Do Is Code. From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Thu Dec 27 16:23:15 2007 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:23:15 -0500 Subject: [UPD] Media Browser Plugin 002 Message-ID: <92EB5AC6-83D1-4874-A9D4-C5A7A2EFAE28@wehostmacs.com> Available at www.shaosean.tk DESCRIPTION Plugin for Rev 2.8.x that will allow you to easily browse media file (images, audio and videos) from within Rev. USAGE AS A PLUGIN - Place the file "revMedia.rev" into the plugins folder - Select the "revMedia" from the "Development > Plugins" menu USAGE AS A STACK - Double-click the file "revMedia.rev" USAGE - Drag folders from the Finder or Windows Explorer (please note that this has not been tested in Windows, sorry) to the left column - Click the folder name and the media will appear in the right column - Click a file in the right column and a preview will appear below - Click the "Place" button to place the current media into the top stack (please note that placed media are only placed by reference) - To delete a folder from the list press the "Delete Key" or "Backspace Key" - Up and down arrow keys work - Left and right arrow keys work too SCREENSHOTS browsing images - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_1.png browsing audio - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_2.png browsing videos - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_3.png HISTORY 002 - button icons 002 - ability to embed media into your stack 002 - arrow keys work in the list fields 002 - file information displayed under the preview 002 - folder lists are stored in text files (allows your folders to be easily moved across updates) 001 - initial release (still some work to be done for the fine tuning) From pmbrig at gmail.com Thu Dec 27 17:56:36 2007 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 17:56:36 -0500 Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <90D62EA0-C13E-4250-A1F7-0902A1D9A4A1@gmail.com> >> Thanks. I used Iconographer to make a .icns file and after some >> tweaking got the icon to show up. Problem solved. Now on to creating >> a Windows icon.... >> > > Iconographer can do that too. Just load your OS X icon file and save > as, choosing the Windows .ico format. > > Cheers, > Sarah Oh. Duh, I didn't see that. I'll try it. Thanks.... -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ --If at first you do succeed, try not to look astonished. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Thu Dec 27 18:34:21 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:34:21 +0100 Subject: icon editor In-Reply-To: <90D62EA0-C13E-4250-A1F7-0902A1D9A4A1@gmail.com> References: <90D62EA0-C13E-4250-A1F7-0902A1D9A4A1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Iconographer makes ico files with corrupt backgrounds. Iconographer's icns files for Mac OS X are great, its ico files are not. If you can run Windows, use IcoFx, the free icon editor: Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 27-dec-2007, om 23:56 heeft Peter Brigham het volgende geschreven: >>> Thanks. I used Iconographer to make a .icns file and after some >>> tweaking got the icon to show up. Problem solved. Now on to creating >>> a Windows icon.... >>> >> >> Iconographer can do that too. Just load your OS X icon file and save >> as, choosing the Windows .ico format. >> >> Cheers, >> Sarah > > Oh. Duh, I didn't see that. I'll try it. Thanks.... > > -- Peter > From stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com Fri Dec 28 00:02:06 2007 From: stephenREVOLUTION2 at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 23:02:06 -0600 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard In-Reply-To: <167448.70423.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <167448.70423.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Way before Hypercard and the Mac, there was Engelbart and Kay: http://www.archive.org/details/AlanKeyD1987 http://www.archive.org/details/AlanKeyD1987_2 this stuff will blow your mind - these guys designed almost everything GUI... a long time ago... the mpeg4 files can go right into your iPods sqb >Brett Sher came across this video of a Computer >Chronicles show about >HyperCard (c. 1987). Bill Atkinson, Dan Winkler, Danny >Goodman and >others explain what HyperCard is, in a show sure to >raise lots of >nostalgia. > >http://www.archive.org/details/CC501_hypercard > >_______________________ >sincerely, Richmond Mathewson > -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - From pepetoo at cox.net Fri Dec 28 01:12:13 2007 From: pepetoo at cox.net (Joe Lewis Wilkins) Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:12:13 -0800 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard In-Reply-To: References: <167448.70423.qm@web37514.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2AB452C7-4D17-48C5-9879-508EB8073B38@cox.net> Obviously, you guys don't ever sleep! (smile) Loved the history lesson. Joe Wilkins On Dec 27, 2007, at 9:02 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote: > Way before Hypercard and the Mac, there was Engelbart and Kay: > > http://www.archive.org/details/AlanKeyD1987 > http://www.archive.org/details/AlanKeyD1987_2 > > this stuff will blow your mind - these guys designed almost > everything GUI... a long time ago... > > the mpeg4 files can go right into your iPods > > > sqb > > >> Brett Sher came across this video of a Computer >> Chronicles show about >> HyperCard (c. 1987). Bill Atkinson, Dan Winkler, Danny >> Goodman and >> others explain what HyperCard is, in a show sure to >> raise lots of >> nostalgia. >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/CC501_hypercard >> >> _______________________ >> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson >> > stephen barncard > s a n f r a n c i s c o > - - - - - - - - - - - - From tim.lambert at addat.com Fri Dec 28 01:16:23 2007 From: tim.lambert at addat.com (Tim Lambert) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:16:23 +1100 Subject: How to embed fonts using 2.8.2-gm3 Message-ID: <70CF5E86-92F7-4F74-AB5E-A29D00B9BCD6@addat.com> I've done a search but I can't see how this is done - ie the 'docs' are for v2.7. I am developing on Mac for a principal target of windoze XP. On the windoze platform all the fonts I used in the Mac convert to piddly little arial type fonts of one size. If anyone knows of a tutorial I would be most grateful. TIA Tim From randall at randallreetz.com Fri Dec 28 03:07:12 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 00:07:12 -0800 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard Message-ID: <20071228080714.HFWI10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> I keep thinking we are way over due building for today what hypercard was twenty years ago. I dont thing color and multi-platform quite measure up to the challange. Randall -----Original Message----- From: "Joe Lewis Wilkins" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 12/27/2007 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard Obviously, you guys don't ever sleep! (smile) Loved the history lesson. Joe Wilkins On Dec 27, 2007, at 9:02 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote: > Way before Hypercard and the Mac, there was Engelbart and Kay: > > http://www.archive.org/details/AlanKeyD1987 > http://www.archive.org/details/AlanKeyD1987_2 > > this stuff will blow your mind - these guys designed almost > everything GUI... a long time ago... > > the mpeg4 files can go right into your iPods > > > sqb > > >> Brett Sher came across this video of a Computer >> Chronicles show about >> HyperCard (c. 1987). Bill Atkinson, Dan Winkler, Danny >> Goodman and >> others explain what HyperCard is, in a show sure to >> raise lots of >> nostalgia. >> >> http://www.archive.org/details/CC501_hypercard >> >> _______________________ >> sincerely, Richmond Mathewson >> > stephen barncard > s a n f r a n c i s c o > - - - - - - - - - - - - _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 28 04:38:02 2007 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:38:02 +0000 Subject: How download revolution 2.9 beta ? Message-ID: <200712280938.02661.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Tried to get Beta3 from within the Beta2 program. It does indeed download, or says it is, and then a small window appears, and it appears from the progress bar to complete the download, but everything then freezes. Tried a couple of times. The small window seems to be showing a snapshot of the desktop contents under it when it was created. If you drag stuff across the window it shows a sort of stripy repetition of what was dragged across. Never seen this before. If you click all over the small window, nothing happens. This is on Debian Lenny, Gnome. I'll have a go with a different desktop manager just to make sure. Peter From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Fri Dec 28 05:39:55 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 20:39:55 +1000 Subject: How download revolution 2.9 beta ? In-Reply-To: <200712280938.02661.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200712280938.02661.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: On Dec 28, 2007 7:38 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > Tried to get Beta3 from within the Beta2 program. It does indeed download, or > says it is, and then a small window appears, and it appears from the progress > bar to complete the download, but everything then freezes. Tried a couple of > times. The small window seems to be showing a snapshot of the desktop > contents under it when it was created. If you drag stuff across the window > it shows a sort of stripy repetition of what was dragged across. Never seen > this before. If you click all over the small window, nothing happens. > > This is on Debian Lenny, Gnome. I'll have a go with a different desktop > manager just to make sure. I had to do the complete download. The "Check for updates" never completed. This was OS X. In Mark's notification email, he gave the direct download links, so you might be better trying that. Sarah From wjm at wjm.org Fri Dec 28 05:43:16 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:43:16 -0500 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard References: <20071228080714.HFWI10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: I recall when HyperCard was new and it was an exciting time for certain. The video certainly brings back fond memories. Randall Lee Reetz wrote... > I keep thinking we are way over due building for today what > hypercard was twenty years ago. I dont thing color and > multi-platform quite measure up to the challange. What about - Easy and powerful Internet functionality - Ability to command a variety of multimedia - Object-oriented graphics - XML support - Arrays - Encryption - Greatly enhanced speed of execution - Flexible groups - Regular expressions - Inline graphics in fields - Database/SQL support - Additional chunk expressions - Alpha mode blending and window shapes - Custom properties and property profiles - Multi-statement message box - Built-in objects like progress bars, tab controls and sliders - Tables - High-quality visual effects - Unicode support - Easy-to-use Geometry Manager - Ability to run as CGI on web servers - Referenced controls - Enhanced debugging Just to name a few innovations in Revolution off the top of my head. That's quite an evolution of the original dream! There's probably a lot more that I take for granted just because I haven't worked seriously with HyperCard in some time. Give credit where it's due! Does Revolution have the same, "your six-year-old can write a stack" elan the HyperCard did? Probably not, but I think that is due to a variety of factors: - The included stacks in HyperCard like clip art and stack ideas. This kind of content could surely be created in Revolution, but there doesn't seem to be much of a demand for it. - The vastly more complicated computing environments of today's operating systems. HyperCard could more easily exploit the full power of the Apple Macintosh of the day, because the domain was much smaller. (And there *was* color back then; HyperCard just punted on it.) - The market need for a more professional rapid development tool based on xTalk. (As opposed to an alternative to BASIC for learning how to program computers.) - Education refocusing on Office- and application-based learning, when back then there was still an interest in exposing high school students to programming. - Dramatically enhanced external illustration programs that obviate the need for things like the lasso and spray can tools. (HyperCard was popular in part because it was a greatly enhanced successor to MacPaint.) - Ubiquity of HyperCard on Macintosh. The only thing that comes close to that today is HTML and the Web. (Which of course, HyperCard inspired.) - Desire for Revolution to be as similar to, and compatible with, HyperCard as possible. For example, I almost never use cards anymore. I find myself using a different paradigm when creating my solutions. I'm much more likely to use multiple windows and substacks (oops, another huge item for the list above). It may well be the case that further departing from the HyperCard metaphor will be necessary for the next great leap forward. After all, HyperCard itself was a break with previous metaphors. And a final note... I don't think the multi-platform capability is anything to sneeze at. It's a non-trivial undertaking and ensures that almost everyone can enjoy the benefits of Revolution and the amazing xTalk language, instead of just those who use Macs. - Bill, RunRev marketing guy From viktoras at ekoinf.net Fri Dec 28 07:34:17 2007 From: viktoras at ekoinf.net (viktoras didziulis) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:34:17 +0200 Subject: How download revolution 2.9 beta ? In-Reply-To: References: <200712280938.02661.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <4774ED49.2040604@ekoinf.net> Download failed. Do you want to try again? - this is what happens on MS Windows... Viktoras Sarah Reichelt wrote: > On Dec 28, 2007 7:38 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > >> Tried to get Beta3 from within the Beta2 program. It does indeed download, or >> says it is, and then a small window appears, and it appears from the progress >> bar to complete the download, but everything then freezes. Tried a couple of >> times. The small window seems to be showing a snapshot of the desktop >> contents under it when it was created. If you drag stuff across the window >> it shows a sort of stripy repetition of what was dragged across. Never seen >> this before. If you click all over the small window, nothing happens. >> >> This is on Debian Lenny, Gnome. I'll have a go with a different desktop >> manager just to make sure. >> > > > I had to do the complete download. The "Check for updates" never > completed. This was OS X. In Mark's notification email, he gave the > direct download links, so you might be better trying that. > > Sarah > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > From nealk3nc at gmail.com Fri Dec 28 07:49:45 2007 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:49:45 -0500 Subject: How download revolution 2.9 beta ? In-Reply-To: <4774ED49.2040604@ekoinf.net> References: <200712280938.02661.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> <4774ED49.2040604@ekoinf.net> Message-ID: <325413300712280449x5f464d3ai75dbf7a9378cd85d@mail.gmail.com> The upgrade via the menu item worked on my XP system. Neal On Dec 28, 2007 7:34 AM, viktoras didziulis wrote: > Download failed. Do you want to try again? - this is what happens on MS > Windows... > > Viktoras > > > Sarah Reichelt wrote: > > On Dec 28, 2007 7:38 PM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: > > > >> Tried to get Beta3 from within the Beta2 program. It does indeed download, or > >> says it is, and then a small window appears, and it appears from the progress > >> bar to complete the download, but everything then freezes. Tried a couple of > >> times. The small window seems to be showing a snapshot of the desktop > >> contents under it when it was created. If you drag stuff across the window > >> it shows a sort of stripy repetition of what was dragged across. Never seen > >> this before. If you click all over the small window, nothing happens. > >> > >> This is on Debian Lenny, Gnome. I'll have a go with a different desktop > >> manager just to make sure. > >> > > > > > > I had to do the complete download. The "Check for updates" never > > completed. This was OS X. In Mark's notification email, he gave the > > direct download links, so you might be better trying that. > > > > Sarah > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 28 10:52:02 2007 From: palcibiades-first at yahoo.co.uk (Peter Alcibiades) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 15:52:02 +0000 Subject: How download revolution 2.9 beta ? Message-ID: <200712281552.02726.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> OK, tried it on Fluxbox - exact same thing. Second blank window, and the download never completes, or if it completes, it doesn't move to the next stage. So this is a completely different window manager, the same display manager however (wdm). Can't really see how it could be the display manager. Using xfe as the file manager and starting it through a double click. Cannot be Gnome therefore. Tried it on Ion2 also, with the interesting result that Rev will not run at all. Or it seems to run to some extent but it sort of flickers and scrolls so it doesn't really run. So this shows that Rev still likely isn't handling XWindows properly. Ion2 is a minimalist and eccentric desktop, there is no particular reason why Rev should work with it, just that it is standards based, and everything else does. It is a tiling window manager. This is probably connected to Rev's insistence on not using multiple desktops, because Ion tries to put every window into a separate pane. Whether this is right or wrong, its standards based, and so Rev really ought to work with it out of the box. Peter From revdev at pdslabs.net Fri Dec 28 12:44:12 2007 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:44:12 -0800 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard In-Reply-To: References: <20071228080714.HFWI10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <477535EC.9030301@pdslabs.net> Amen Bill! There's a basic "family" similarity between HC and Rev, but IMHO Rev leaves HC in the dust on every level. Phil Davis Bill Marriott wrote: > I recall when HyperCard was new and it was an exciting time for certain. The > video certainly brings back fond memories. > > Randall Lee Reetz wrote... > >> I keep thinking we are way over due building for today what >> hypercard was twenty years ago. I dont thing color and >> multi-platform quite measure up to the challange. >> > > What about > > - Easy and powerful Internet functionality > - Ability to command a variety of multimedia > - Object-oriented graphics > - XML support > - Arrays > - Encryption > - Greatly enhanced speed of execution > - Flexible groups > - Regular expressions > - Inline graphics in fields > - Database/SQL support > - Additional chunk expressions > - Alpha mode blending and window shapes > - Custom properties and property profiles > - Multi-statement message box > - Built-in objects like progress bars, tab controls and sliders > - Tables > - High-quality visual effects > - Unicode support > - Easy-to-use Geometry Manager > - Ability to run as CGI on web servers > - Referenced controls > - Enhanced debugging > > Just to name a few innovations in Revolution off the top of my head. That's > quite an evolution of the original dream! There's probably a lot more that I > take for granted just because I haven't worked seriously with HyperCard in > some time. Give credit where it's due! > > Does Revolution have the same, "your six-year-old can write a stack" elan > the HyperCard did? Probably not, but I think that is due to a variety of > factors: > > - The included stacks in HyperCard like clip art and stack ideas. This kind > of content could surely be created in Revolution, but there doesn't seem to > be much of a demand for it. > > - The vastly more complicated computing environments of today's operating > systems. HyperCard could more easily exploit the full power of the Apple > Macintosh of the day, because the domain was much smaller. (And there *was* > color back then; HyperCard just punted on it.) > > - The market need for a more professional rapid development tool based on > xTalk. (As opposed to an alternative to BASIC for learning how to program > computers.) > > - Education refocusing on Office- and application-based learning, when back > then there was still an interest in exposing high school students to > programming. > > - Dramatically enhanced external illustration programs that obviate the need > for things like the lasso and spray can tools. (HyperCard was popular in > part because it was a greatly enhanced successor to MacPaint.) > > - Ubiquity of HyperCard on Macintosh. The only thing that comes close to > that today is HTML and the Web. (Which of course, HyperCard inspired.) > > - Desire for Revolution to be as similar to, and compatible with, HyperCard > as possible. For example, I almost never use cards anymore. I find myself > using a different paradigm when creating my solutions. I'm much more likely > to use multiple windows and substacks (oops, another huge item for the list > above). It may well be the case that further departing from the HyperCard > metaphor will be necessary for the next great leap forward. After all, > HyperCard itself was a break with previous metaphors. > > And a final note... I don't think the multi-platform capability is anything > to sneeze at. It's a non-trivial undertaking and ensures that almost > everyone can enjoy the benefits of Revolution and the amazing xTalk > language, instead of just those who use Macs. > > - Bill, RunRev marketing guy > > > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From katheryn.swynford at gmail.com Fri Dec 28 13:10:54 2007 From: katheryn.swynford at gmail.com (Judy Perry) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 10:10:54 -0800 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard In-Reply-To: References: <20071228080714.HFWI10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <4be051070712281010q24cc3818h3716f415b7346b9a@mail.gmail.com> On Dec 28, 2007 2:43 AM, Bill Marriott wrote: > Does Revolution have the same, "your six-year-old can write a stack" elan > the HyperCard did? Probably not, but I think that is due to a variety of > factors: > > - The included stacks in HyperCard like clip art and stack ideas. This kind > of content could surely be created in Revolution, but there doesn't seem to > be much of a demand for it. --Bill, I would respectfully disagree with you on this. I've only been to 2 RevCons, but I am fairly certain that this was discussed as a 'must have' at both as a measure to improve the 'out of the box' experience for new Rev users. As a matter of fact, people asked me about this very issue at the educational conference last summer where I presented a paper on Rev being an ideal tool for educators! And what was I to tell them? That the company doesn't think that there is " much of a demand for it"?!? If all you want to do is sell Rev to that small niche (perhaps even smaller than the potential niche of the ed market!) of savvy programmers who aren't afraid to use something other than the commonly-accepted programming languages of C/++/#, Java etc., then fine; but if you want to open up Rev's installed user base into other areas, these HC-like stacks are a must have. > > - The vastly more complicated computing environments of today's operating > systems. HyperCard could more easily exploit the full power of the Apple > Macintosh of the day, because the domain was much smaller. (And there *was* > color back then; HyperCard just punted on it.) --Not real color, as you must know, unless you were on the Apple IIGS. > > > - Education refocusing on Office- and application-based learning, when back > then there was still an interest in exposing high school students to > programming. --It doesn't have to be this way. I have 8 y.o. twin niece & nephew whose third grade teacher makes them produce their vocabulary words in PowerPoint. Why? It's the only thing she was taught to use. Office apps will continue to dominate education in the most bizarre and useless ways possible until educators see that there is an alternative that is not bizarre, is not useless, but is useable for them (which Rev currently is not but could be). > > - Dramatically enhanced external illustration programs that obviate the need > for things like the lasso and spray can tools. (HyperCard was popular in > part because it was a greatly enhanced successor to MacPaint.) --Ever tried to teach adults to use such simple things? I'm talking about adults who just want to casually produce some images for some other purpose, not graphic artists who live for Photoshop. For that matter, try to teach these same casual users to use Photoshop just to do something simple. They return telling you how much they hate computers. I'm currently teaching a Rev-less 3rd year course for my CS department which is a general education course on computers and society. To help them understand just how "easy" it is to produce digital hoaxes that they are unprepared to discern, I have them produce their own digital hoax. Since the machines in the room have Micro$oft PhotoDraw, I have the assignment based on using that. The very few Mac users tried instead to d/l the Photoshop trial and told me how it made them want to tear their hair out. Bottom line: there's still a market out there who would prefer HC-level simplistic graphics tools. (I have a soft spot myself for fatBits). > > - Desire for Revolution to be as similar to, and compatible with, HyperCard > as possible. For example, I almost never use cards anymore. I find myself > using a different paradigm when creating my solutions. I'm much more likely > to use multiple windows and substacks (oops, another huge item for the list > above). It may well be the case that further departing from the HyperCard > metaphor will be necessary for the next great leap forward. After all, > HyperCard itself was a break with previous metaphors. --Breaking metaphors may well be required... but what made the card metaphor successful was that it was a metaphor that people *already understood* as opposed to some new, esoteric metaphor that nobody understood. One early study examined people using both a print resource as well as a Hypercard stack resource for finding information. For those users using the HC stack, they were found to be more comfortable using embedded search techniques which mimicked pre-existing search metaphors than they were with more esoteric metaphors that they couldn't understand (Hypertext or book: Which is better for answering questions? Barbee T. Mynatt, Laura Marie Leventhal, Keith Instone, John Farhat, Diane S. Rohlman [June 1992], Proceedings of the SIGCHI conference on Human factors in computing systems CHI '92) Judy From wjm at wjm.org Fri Dec 28 14:24:54 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:24:54 -0500 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard References: <20071228080714.HFWI10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4be051070712281010q24cc3818h3716f415b7346b9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Judy, You know, my "not much demand for it" comment might indeed have been a little cavalier. But there is a context missing. Part of my thinking is not just the clip art stacks but also the address, date book, charting and other stacks where it seems we just won't have people switching from Office/Outlook. My challenge would be that if there is a need for this kind of content, by all means let someone create it. If it's of high enough quality, it could be added to the RevSelect library, if not added to Revolution itself. I think, for example, Revolution Media in particular would greatly benefit from these kinds of enhancement. It would be really interesting to see what a talented person could do to "re-imagine" the home stack and library of sample stacks that were included with HyperCard, using the new capabilities that are part of Revolution. - Bill From mwieder at ahsoftware.net Fri Dec 28 21:57:40 2007 From: mwieder at ahsoftware.net (Mark Wieder) Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 18:57:40 -0800 Subject: How download revolution 2.9 beta ? In-Reply-To: <200712281552.02726.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> References: <200712281552.02726.palcibiades-first@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <638715453.20071228185740@ahsoftware.net> Peter- Gnome and kde are acting the same way. The notes I see in bugzilla for dp1 indicate that the update feature should be pulled from the linux distribution for some reason. http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=5581 -- -Mark Wieder mwieder at ahsoftware.net From lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com Fri Dec 28 23:13:49 2007 From: lan.kc.macmail at gmail.com (Kay C Lan) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:13:49 +0800 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard In-Reply-To: References: <20071228080714.HFWI10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> <4be051070712281010q24cc3818h3716f415b7346b9a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Dec 29, 2007 3:24 AM, Bill Marriott wrote: > Part of my thinking is not > just the clip art stacks but also the address, date book, charting and > other > stacks where it seems we just won't have people switching from > Office/Outlook. > But I don't think the intention is to have anyone switch. Way back with my first Mac I got HC. When I joined a Mac User Group, the BBS was 75% HC stacks being shared around or talked about. Probably 50% of those were just other peoples recreation of the address, date and other 'Apple supplied' stacks. None of them made me switch from Palm Desktop - which was Claris something back then but is so long ago I can't even remember it's name;-( > > My challenge would be that if there is a need for this kind of content, by > all means let someone create it. And this is a very small part of the reason that the Mac User Group that I'm now a member of has 0 Rev stacks in it's download library. Personally I believe that the success of HC came down to 3 things: 1) It was brilliant (Rev is even better) 2) It came with every Mac (Hard for Rev to emulate) 3) A whole bunch of 'simple' example stacks It was 2 & 3 that created the ground swell that had all the MUGs swimming in stacks which just further fanned the fire. For me, a non-programmer, the HyperTalk chat that was going on on the BBS was complete gobbledygook. It was the ability to open up those simple stacks that created the 'you mean its THAT easy' kind of reaction. That's what got me tinkering. From there I started looking into what others were downloading to the BBS and seeing how they had taken the simple and extended it. Some I could understand, others were over my head. So a good book or two from authors we know so well and soon the gobbledygook started making sense. > > I think, for example, Revolution Media in particular would greatly benefit > from these kinds of enhancement. It would be really interesting to see > what > a talented person could do to "re-imagine" the home stack and library of > sample stacks that were included with HyperCard, using the new > capabilities > that are part of Revolution. > I certainly agree that Media would greatly benefit but the talented people you are talking about, these were the kind of people that were downloading 'enhanced' stacks to the BBS. I very much believe that this List is just overflowing with such people. But this is Step 2 in the process. These people didn't make the basic stacks way back then, Apple did, they came in the box. IMHO people are no smarter today than way back then, I'd even suggest that people today think that programing a computer is harder than it was in '87. If you want more people to have a HC kind of 'you mean programming is THAT easy' experience with Media, then when they download that 30 day trial there needs to be a whole swathe of very simple stacks that show off glimpses of Rev's potential, but firmly focused on 'easy to use'. And that, I believe, is for Rev to orcestrate, not to just hope that someone talented will come along. It's a bit like me just wishing that there'd be a couple of Rev users in my local MUG;-) From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Sat Dec 29 01:26:55 2007 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 01:26:55 -0500 Subject: [UPD] Media Browser 003 Message-ID: DOWNLOAD www.shaosean.tk DESCRIPTION Plugin for Rev 2.8.x that will allow you to easily browse media file (images, audio and videos) from within Rev. USAGE AS A PLUGIN - Place the file "revMedia.rev" into the plugins folder - Select the "revMedia" from the "Development > Plugins" menu USAGE AS A STACK - Double-click the file "revMedia.rev" USAGE - Drag folders from the Finder or Windows Explorer (please note that this has not been tested in Windows, sorry) to the left column - Click the folder name and the media will appear in the right column - Click a file in the right column and a preview will appear below - Click the "Place" button to place the current media into the top stack (please note that placed media are only placed by reference) - To delete a folder from the list press the "Delete Key" or "Backspace Key" - Up and down arrow keys work - Left and right arrow keys work too SCREENSHOTS images - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_1.png audio - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_2.png videos - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_3.png fonts - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_4.png HISTORY 003 - display audio and video duration 003 - display video dimensions (width and height) 003 - load/unload fonts 003 - preview fonts 002 - button icons 002 - ability to embed media into your stack 002 - arrow keys work in the list fields 002 - file information displayed under the preview 002 - folder lists are stored in text files (allows your folders to be easily moved across updates) 001 - initial release (still some work to be done for the fine tuning) From randall at randallreetz.com Sat Dec 29 15:51:11 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:51:11 -0800 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x In-Reply-To: References: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com> <081EFB6F-48EF-4562-A602-0E4D9B80E9CE@sosmartsoftware.com> <792F9AE4-81CF-46FE-993F-BA7A57AF5133@looktowindward.com> <2567EFAA-A3C3-4A23-926C-2C665CDC2015@sosmartsoftware.com> Message-ID: <8EA0A091-155B-47AC-990E-5ECB1BF2924F@randallreetz.com> How do I get the char count (number) of the first char of a particular word (say "word 4") of a string? Randall From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Sat Dec 29 16:00:50 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:00:50 +1000 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x In-Reply-To: <8EA0A091-155B-47AC-990E-5ECB1BF2924F@randallreetz.com> References: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com> <081EFB6F-48EF-4562-A602-0E4D9B80E9CE@sosmartsoftware.com> <792F9AE4-81CF-46FE-993F-BA7A57AF5133@looktowindward.com> <2567EFAA-A3C3-4A23-926C-2C665CDC2015@sosmartsoftware.com> <8EA0A091-155B-47AC-990E-5ECB1BF2924F@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: On Dec 30, 2007 6:51 AM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > How do I get the char count (number) of the first char of a > particular word (say "word 4") of a string? Not sure I understand exactly what you mean, but how about: put the number of chars in word 1 to 4 of myString Cheers, Sarah From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com Sat Dec 29 16:05:14 2007 From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:05:14 -0600 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x In-Reply-To: <8EA0A091-155B-47AC-990E-5ECB1BF2924F@randallreetz.com> References: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com> <081EFB6F-48EF-4562-A602-0E4D9B80E9CE@sosmartsoftware.com> <792F9AE4-81CF-46FE-993F-BA7A57AF5133@looktowindward.com> <2567EFAA-A3C3-4A23-926C-2C665CDC2015@sosmartsoftware.com> <8EA0A091-155B-47AC-990E-5ECB1BF2924F@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: <4776B68A.6010604@dreamscapesoftware.com> Randall, I'm assuming that you mean the length of a particular word within a string or variable... put length(word 4 of someVariable) into wordLength -- or -- put length(word 4 of line 3 of fld "myField") into wordLength Otherwise do you mean the number of chars that occur until the first letter of a string? Then that would be... put length(word 1 to 3 of "a sample string") - length(word 3 of "a sample string") into charCount Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com ___________________________________________________________________ Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > How do I get the char count (number) of the first char of a particular > word (say "word 4") of a string? > > Randall > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From randall at randallreetz.com Sat Dec 29 16:16:24 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:16:24 -0800 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x Message-ID: <20071229211627.NPLC6099.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> This does not include leading worddel chars. randall -----Original Message----- From: "Sarah Reichelt" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 12/29/2007 1:00 PM Subject: Re: the char number of char 1 of word x On Dec 30, 2007 6:51 AM, Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > How do I get the char count (number) of the first char of a > particular word (say "word 4") of a string? Not sure I understand exactly what you mean, but how about: put the number of chars in word 1 to 4 of myString Cheers, Sarah _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Sat Dec 29 16:16:37 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 13:16:37 -0800 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x In-Reply-To: <8EA0A091-155B-47AC-990E-5ECB1BF2924F@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: On 12/29/07 12:51 PM, "Randall Lee Reetz" wrote: > How do I get the char count (number) of the first char of a > particular word (say "word 4") of a string? get the number of chars in word 1 to 4 of textString subtract length(word 4 of textString) from it -- now (it) will include any white space before the 4th word, eg multiple spaces, commas, and any other non-word chars From wjm at wjm.org Sat Dec 29 16:17:35 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:17:35 -0500 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x References: <6B7F28EE-242B-4506-A03B-A84FE6A1F544@looktowindward.com><081EFB6F-48EF-4562-A602-0E4D9B80E9CE@sosmartsoftware.com><792F9AE4-81CF-46FE-993F-BA7A57AF5133@looktowindward.com><2567EFAA-A3C3-4A23-926C-2C665CDC2015@sosmartsoftware.com> <8EA0A091-155B-47AC-990E-5ECB1BF2924F@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: Hi Randall, > How do I get the char count (number) of the first char of a particular > word (say "word 4") of a string? do you mean, the charToNum of char 1 of word x of myString - Bill http://runrev.com/offers/rshb From randall at randallreetz.com Sat Dec 29 17:33:40 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:33:40 -0800 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x Message-ID: <20071229223343.PCAB6099.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Ok, my fault, i'll tey to be more specific. Every char in a string can be rrferenced by its count in the string. Char 5 of "my love" is "o". So if i want the char count of char 1 of word 2 of that same string i should get 4. How do i construct an argument for the count of a char as referenced by another chunk description (other than char)? -----Original Message----- From: "Bill Marriott" To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Sent: 12/29/2007 1:17 PM Subject: Re: the char number of char 1 of word x Hi Randall, > How do I get the char count (number) of the first char of a particular > word (say "word 4") of a string? do you mean, the charToNum of char 1 of word x of myString - Bill http://runrev.com/offers/rshb _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Sat Dec 29 18:31:18 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:31:18 -0800 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x In-Reply-To: <20071229223343.PCAB6099.atlmtaow03.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: On 12/29/07 2:33 PM, "Randall Lee Reetz" wrote: > Ok, my fault, i'll tey to be more specific. Every char in a string can be > rrferenced by its count in the string. Char 5 of "my love" is "o". So if i > want the char count of char 1 of word 2 of that same string i should get 4. > How do i construct an argument for the count of a char as referenced by > another chunk description (other than char)? Your explanation is confusing. Show some more examples of what you want. There are only words, items, lines as chunks, so I am not sure what you mean by 'other chunk description'. What kind of data/text are you working with? -- user input, published data, paragraphs, inventory lists -- music titles, album names, etc Jim Ault Las Vegas > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Bill Marriott" > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Sent: 12/29/2007 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: the char number of char 1 of word x > > Hi Randall, > >> How do I get the char count (number) of the first char of a particular >> word (say "word 4") of a string? > > do you mean, > the charToNum of char 1 of word x of myString From briany at qldlearning.com Sat Dec 29 18:40:19 2007 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:40:19 -0800 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91C72471-8B73-4E62-A948-F7A5A74F85A2@qldlearning.com> For your specific example: put length(word 1 to 4 of myText) - length(word 4 of myText) + 1 OR put (the number of chars in word 1 to 4 of myText) - (the number of chars in word 4 of myText) + 1 Unfortunately there is no direct chunk expression like: "word 1 to char 1 of word 4 of myText" As Jim mentioned, it might be instructional to know what you are trying to do. Depending on your needs you might also look into the offset() function. > On 12/29/07 2:33 PM, "Randall Lee Reetz" > wrote: > >> Ok, my fault, i'll tey to be more specific. Every char in a >> string can be >> rrferenced by its count in the string. Char 5 of "my love" is >> "o". So if i >> want the char count of char 1 of word 2 of that same string i >> should get 4. >> How do i construct an argument for the count of a char as >> referenced by >> another chunk description (other than char)? From randall at randallreetz.com Sat Dec 29 18:43:35 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:43:35 -0800 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x Message-ID: <20071229234338.KFLN10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> I need the syntax to get the exact number of chars up until the first char of another chunk expression (word thscount of thsstring). -----Original Message----- From: "Jim Ault" To: "How to use Revolution" Sent: 12/29/2007 3:31 PM Subject: Re: the char number of char 1 of word x On 12/29/07 2:33 PM, "Randall Lee Reetz" wrote: > Ok, my fault, i'll tey to be more specific. Every char in a string can be > rrferenced by its count in the string. Char 5 of "my love" is "o". So if i > want the char count of char 1 of word 2 of that same string i should get 4. > How do i construct an argument for the count of a char as referenced by > another chunk description (other than char)? Your explanation is confusing. Show some more examples of what you want. There are only words, items, lines as chunks, so I am not sure what you mean by 'other chunk description'. What kind of data/text are you working with? -- user input, published data, paragraphs, inventory lists -- music titles, album names, etc Jim Ault Las Vegas > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Bill Marriott" > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Sent: 12/29/2007 1:17 PM > Subject: Re: the char number of char 1 of word x > > Hi Randall, > >> How do I get the char count (number) of the first char of a particular >> word (say "word 4") of a string? > > do you mean, > the charToNum of char 1 of word x of myString _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From briany at qldlearning.com Sat Dec 29 19:29:29 2007 From: briany at qldlearning.com (Brian Yennie) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:29:29 -0800 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x In-Reply-To: <20071229234338.KFLN10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> References: <20071229234338.KFLN10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: <22E141DC-1BC6-4B58-9CFE-E4CA0E1BDC68@qldlearning.com> Here is a bit of a hack, if you want: put numToChar(7) into marker put marker into char 1 of word 4 of myText put offset(marker, myText) into tNum In other words, you replace the chunk with a special character, and then find the position of that marker. Of course, you would need to work on a copy of your string. > I need the syntax to get the exact number of chars up until the > first char of another chunk expression (word thscount of thsstring). > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Jim Ault" > To: "How to use Revolution" > Sent: 12/29/2007 3:31 PM > Subject: Re: the char number of char 1 of word x > > On 12/29/07 2:33 PM, "Randall Lee Reetz" > wrote: > >> Ok, my fault, i'll tey to be more specific. Every char in a >> string can be >> rrferenced by its count in the string. Char 5 of "my love" is >> "o". So if i >> want the char count of char 1 of word 2 of that same string i >> should get 4. >> How do i construct an argument for the count of a char as >> referenced by >> another chunk description (other than char)? > > Your explanation is confusing. > Show some more examples of what you want. > There are only words, items, lines as chunks, so I am not sure what > you mean > by 'other chunk description'. > > What kind of data/text are you working with? > -- user input, published data, paragraphs, inventory lists > -- music titles, album names, etc > > Jim Ault > Las Vegas >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Bill Marriott" >> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Sent: 12/29/2007 1:17 PM >> Subject: Re: the char number of char 1 of word x >> >> Hi Randall, >> >>> How do I get the char count (number) of the first char of a >>> particular >>> word (say "word 4") of a string? >> >> do you mean, >> the charToNum of char 1 of word x of myString > From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Sat Dec 29 19:31:18 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:31:18 -0800 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x In-Reply-To: <20071229234338.KFLN10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> Message-ID: Well, like I said before ----------------------- get the number of chars in word 1 to 4 of textString subtract length(word 4 of textString) from it -- now (it) will include any white space before the 4th word, eg multiple spaces, commas, and any other non-word chars If you want to include the first char of word 4 in the count add 1 to it ----- thus use these 3 lines, or a compact version ----------- get the number of chars in word 1 to 4 of textString subtract length(word 4 of textString) from it add 1 to it Jim Ault Las Vegas On 12/29/07 3:43 PM, "Randall Lee Reetz" wrote: > I need the syntax to get the exact number of chars up until the first char of > another chunk expression (word thscount of thsstring). > From tsj at unimelb.edu.au Sat Dec 29 19:49:52 2007 From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 11:49:52 +1100 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard In-Reply-To: <20071229180004.8E10A488E47@mail.runrev.com> Message-ID: > From: Bill Marriott > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:24:54 -0500 > To: > Subject: Re: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard > > Hi Judy, > > You know, my "not much demand for it" comment might indeed have been a > little cavalier. But there is a context missing. Part of my thinking is not > just the clip art stacks but also the address, date book, charting and other > stacks where it seems we just won't have people switching from > Office/Outlook. > > My challenge would be that if there is a need for this kind of content, by > all means let someone create it. If it's of high enough quality, it could be > added to the RevSelect library, if not added to Revolution itself. > > I think, for example, Revolution Media in particular would greatly benefit > from these kinds of enhancement. It would be really interesting to see what > a talented person could do to "re-imagine" the home stack and library of > sample stacks that were included with HyperCard, using the new capabilities > that are part of Revolution. > > - Bill I think most users (at any level of expertise) would benefit from a much expanded image/icon library with icons of different sizes (16x16, 32x32 etc) to cover all sorts of application and web-centric contexts, rather than having to purchase these as add-ons. Terry... From russell_martin at yahoo.com Sat Dec 29 20:30:20 2007 From: russell_martin at yahoo.com (Russell Martin) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:30:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Detect run from drive type Message-ID: <872385.48719.qm@web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Does anyone know of a way to detect whether an app is being run from a removable drive? The goal being, if the app was run from a removable/writable drive (i.e. a usb keychain drive, but not necessarily a U3 volume), the app would then read & write its prefs in the folder it was run from, but if run from a fixed drive then it would read/write its prefs to the user's home directory. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ From ambassador at fourthworld.com Sat Dec 29 20:42:44 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:42:44 -0800 Subject: Detect run from drive type Message-ID: <4776F794.5030302@fourthworld.com> Russell Martin wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to detect whether an app is being run from a > removable drive? The goal being, if the app was run from a > removable/writable drive (i.e. a usb keychain drive, but not > necessarily a U3 volume), the app would then read & write its prefs in > the folder it was run from, but if run from a fixed drive then it would > read/write its prefs to the user's home directory. Mark Wieder wrote a DriveType external a while back, but I went a simpler route: my apps just check to see if they can write to their application folder, and if they can they store prefs there, if not then they store prefs in the Prefs folder. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From revdev at pdslabs.net Sat Dec 29 21:18:07 2007 From: revdev at pdslabs.net (Phil Davis) Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 18:18:07 -0800 Subject: Detect run from drive type In-Reply-To: <872385.48719.qm@web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <872385.48719.qm@web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4776FFDF.6000204@pdslabs.net> Hi Russell, Check out my Rev USBDrive library at: http://pdslabs.net/stacks/libUsbDrive.rev.zip I need to update it with new features, but I think it might give you what you're looking for - or at least it'll give you a starting point. Phil Davis Russell Martin wrote: > Does anyone know of a way to detect whether an app is being run from a > removable drive? The goal being, if the app was run from a > removable/writable drive (i.e. a usb keychain drive, but not > necessarily a U3 volume), the app would then read & write its prefs in > the folder it was run from, but if run from a fixed drive then it would > read/write its prefs to the user's home directory. From m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com Sun Dec 30 07:41:04 2007 From: m.schonewille at economy-x-talk.com (Mark Schonewille) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 13:41:04 +0100 Subject: Detect run from drive type In-Reply-To: <4776F794.5030302@fourthworld.com> References: <4776F794.5030302@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: Hi, I couldn't find such an external by Mark Wieder, but I noticed there is one in the Externals SDK: Best regards, Mark Schonewille -- Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering http://economy-x-talk.com http://www.salery.biz Quickly extract data from your HyperCard stacks with DIFfersifier. http://differsifier.economy-x-talk.com Op 30-dec-2007, om 2:42 heeft Richard Gaskin het volgende geschreven: > Mark Wieder wrote a DriveType external a while back, but I went a > simpler route: my apps just check to see if they can write to > their application folder, and if they can they store prefs there, > if not then they store prefs in the Prefs folder. > From chipp at chipp.com Sun Dec 30 18:07:41 2007 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 17:07:41 -0600 Subject: How to embed fonts using 2.8.2-gm3 In-Reply-To: <70CF5E86-92F7-4F74-AB5E-A29D00B9BCD6@addat.com> References: <70CF5E86-92F7-4F74-AB5E-A29D00B9BCD6@addat.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210712301507o4b158f1bk8144520bb8fbf5b6@mail.gmail.com> You might try embedding the binary ttf file in a stack, and then using RevFont.dll to load it... http://www.altuit.com/webs/revCentral/Number6/default.htm From mickclns at mac.com Sun Dec 30 20:32:00 2007 From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 20:32:00 -0500 Subject: test Message-ID: <885A64AF-717A-44EF-928A-6B291C0239FE@mac.com> OK, one short line From shaosean at wehostmacs.com Sun Dec 30 21:50:38 2007 From: shaosean at wehostmacs.com (Shao Sean) Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 21:50:38 -0500 Subject: [UPD] Media Browser 004 Message-ID: <9A34CD67-4889-47FB-9150-FA67A0398B53@wehostmacs.com> THANKS to Mark Smith from Futility Software for the use of his ID3 Library THANKS to Ken Ray for the code to open the system folder DOWNLOAD www.shaosean.tk DESCRIPTION Plugin for Rev 2.8.x that will allow you to easily browse media file (images, audio, videos, fonts and objects) from within Rev. USAGE AS A PLUGIN - Place the file "revMedia.rev" into the plugins folder - Select the "revMedia" from the "Development > Plugins" menu USAGE AS A STACK - Double-click the file "revMedia.rev" USAGE - Drag folders from the Finder or Windows Explorer (please note that this has not been tested in Windows, sorry) to the left column - Click the folder name and the media will appear in the right column - Click a file in the right column and a preview will appear below - Click the "Place" button to place the current media into the top stack (please note that placed media are only placed by reference) - To delete a folder from the list press the "Delete Key" or "Backspace Key" - Up and down arrow keys work - Left and right arrow keys work too SCREENSHOTS images - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_1.png audio - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_2.png videos - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_3.png fonts - http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_4.png objects- http://shaosean.tk/_resources/images/revMedia_5.png HISTORY 004 - display containing folder in the operating system 004 - display album artwork if the audio file contains it 004 - browse and place objects from your existing object libraries 003 - display audio and video duration 003 - display video dimensions (width and height) 003 - load/unload fonts 003 - preview fonts 002 - button icons 002 - ability to embed media into your stack 002 - arrow keys work in the list fields 002 - file information displayed under the preview 002 - folder lists are stored in text files (allows your folders to be easily moved across updates) 001 - initial release (still some work to be done for the fine tuning) From randall at randallreetz.com Mon Dec 31 13:25:40 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:25:40 -0800 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard Message-ID: <20071231182553.FASM10098.atlmtaow01.cingularme.com@Inbox> This topic would not be dissimilar to romantic discussions about Model A Fords, except that we are in this case all still driving Model A Fords and there isnt much of an alternitive out there. Kind o weird dont you think? randall -----Original Message----- From: "Terry Judd" To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Sent: 12/29/2007 4:49 PM Subject: Re: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard > From: Bill Marriott > Reply-To: How to use Revolution > Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 14:24:54 -0500 > To: > Subject: Re: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard > > Hi Judy, > > You know, my "not much demand for it" comment might indeed have been a > little cavalier. But there is a context missing. Part of my thinking is not > just the clip art stacks but also the address, date book, charting and other > stacks where it seems we just won't have people switching from > Office/Outlook. > > My challenge would be that if there is a need for this kind of content, by > all means let someone create it. If it's of high enough quality, it could be > added to the RevSelect library, if not added to Revolution itself. > > I think, for example, Revolution Media in particular would greatly benefit > from these kinds of enhancement. It would be really interesting to see what > a talented person could do to "re-imagine" the home stack and library of > sample stacks that were included with HyperCard, using the new capabilities > that are part of Revolution. > > - Bill I think most users (at any level of expertise) would benefit from a much expanded image/icon library with icons of different sizes (16x16, 32x32 etc) to cover all sorts of application and web-centric contexts, rather than having to purchase these as add-ons. Terry... _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From ambassador at fourthworld.com Mon Dec 31 13:52:05 2007 From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 10:52:05 -0800 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard Message-ID: <47793A55.2070008@fourthworld.com> Randall Lee Reetz wrote: > This topic would not be dissimilar to romantic discussions about > Model A Fords, except that we are in this case all still driving > Model A Fords and there isnt much of an alternitive out there. > Kind o weird dont you think? I think this metaphor is lost on me: I stopped developing in monochrome years ago. -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal _______________________________________________________ Rev tips, tutorials and more: http://www.revJournal.com From mdswindell at cruzio.com Mon Dec 31 14:39:51 2007 From: mdswindell at cruzio.com (Mark Swindell) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:39:51 -0800 Subject: Mainstack Substack clarification Message-ID: I'm just clarifying for myself what happens to a stack when its Main Stack property is changed. Scenario: Main stack "YellowStack" is opened and saved. Main stack "BlueStack" is opened and saved. Now, in BlueStack's stack inspector I change its MainStack property to "YellowStack." BlueStack is "subsumed" as a substack of YellowStack, while its original incarnation, BlueStack, remains on disk as a main stack, in its last saved state? Is this accurate? Thanks, Mark From pmbrig at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 14:59:17 2007 From: pmbrig at gmail.com (Peter Brigham) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:59:17 -0500 Subject: Recipes application Message-ID: <69DFFFCC-1AB6-4EA9-AC59-D73FA2201559@gmail.com> FYI, I just finished up creating my first standalone (with help from a variety of people on this list). It's a little application that allows you to store, print, import and export recipes. Tired of trying to read those old butter-stained pieces of paper in that overstuffed folder you keep somewhere in your kitchen? Try printing out a copy of the recipe each time you cook. That way you can easily give copies to your friends when they say "I've got to have that recipe!" Plus, you can easily import/export a recipe to or from the clipboard for exchanging recipes by email, for instance. Import recipes in Meal-Master or MasterCook formats, so you can easily collect recipes from the web. Freeware. Available at: http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/RecipeFile.html I'm particularly interested in feedback from the Windows users out there, as I have limited access to a Windows machine for testing. The Windows version should work fine (I hope), but the look-and-feel might need some tweaking. Not a very sophisticated app, but useful -- I've been using a version of it in the Mac IDE for several years, and my wife has come to depend on it. The hidden agenda is that it's a dry run on building a standalone out of a much more complex stack system I use in my practice, for eventual marketing, so the experience has been good for learning. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmbrig at gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ --I try to take one day at a time, but occasionally several days attack me at once. From randall at randallreetz.com Mon Dec 31 15:01:38 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:01:38 -0800 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <89E141B8-FB00-4071-B421-3C29CD55A77D@randallreetz.com> Thanks to all who have tried to help. I know (or could probably figure out) how to write my own functions for these text parsing affordances I am after. What I was looking for is a simple (built-in) syntax to get info from any chunk description returned in any string or chunk form. The following (suggested) syntax would add powerful string and chunk referencing and query to Rev or any xTalk language: -- get chunk numbers... the [charNumber] of char 1 of word 7 of line 3 of myFld the [wordNumber] of word 3 of line 3 of myFld the [lineNumber] of char 567 of myFld the [wordNumber] of char 567 of myFld the [itemNumber] of word 35 line 3 of myFld -- get chunk strings... the [lineSting] of char 3 of word 35 of myFld -- would return the actual line containing that char (as string) the [wordString] of char 567 of myFld -- would return the actual word containing that char (as string) the [itemString] of word 36 of myFld -- would return the actual item containing that word (as string) -- get chunk descriptions (inclusive from this chunk to that chunk) the [wordChunk] of line 12 of myFld -- would return chunk expression "word 503 to 524" the [lineChunk] of char 33 to 300 of myFld -- would return chunk expression "line 1 to 7" the [charChunk] of word 567 of myFld -- would return chunk expression "char 8903 to 9126" the [itemChunk] of word 567 of myFld -- would return chunk expression "item 14" the [lineChunk] of item 12 of myFld -- would return chunk expression "line 4" The syntax for all of these functions would be more universal if written in a more universal grammatical form... the char[s] of item 3 of myFld [as numbered chars] -- returns "char 56 to 78" the word[s] of line 3 of myFld [as numbed words] -- returns "word 3 to 7" the line[s] of char 31 to 45 of myVar [as string] -- returns "3. Do not steal. [cr] 4. Do not kill" the item of word 4 of line 6 of myTxt [as chunk in chars] -- returns "char 35 to 45" xTalk is generally Turing Complete... meaning, it is usually possible to write a function that will satisfy any algorithmic goal (from the given lexicon and executable grammar). However, most of us choose to use xTalk because it is a high level language, it protects us from the inhuman repetition and complexity of low level logic and function libraries. When we are each required to write low level functions for common requests "Which word contains char 33", we are pulled away from the higher level tasks at hand (why we are writing the script in the first place... what it is supposed to do). The kind of mental and algorithmic and notational gymnastics required to do some of these human tasks is enough to exclude many of the very same people xTalk was designed to attract. Worse, even those of us nerdy enough or motivated enough to wade through the obfuscation have to create duplicate scripts from duplicate effort. All of this seems antithetical to the original intent of Bill Atkinson (the father of HyperTalk) and Alan Kay et al of Xerox Palo Alto Research Center (the fathers of SmallTalk). I am always amazed by the elegant intent of the original creators of HyperCard and how obvious this intent infused every nuance of its original implementation. Later renditions have added features and have been laboriously held in lockstep with the quicksilver backdrop of ever evolving OS and hardware combinations and the network that has more and more dominance over modern computing. However, much has been lost or forgotten along the way. Much of the egalitarian intent behind the sentiment behind simple statements like "computing for the rest of us". Much of this populist intent has slowly eroded along the way. I would hope that we all continue to respect Bill's original intent by remembering and honoring the elegance and egalitarian humanity of his work. This respect should go beyond simple romanticism. It should guide our purchasing decisions and our expectations afterwards. Most humans are Turing Complete... given enough time most of us could write any function in most any language... but that really doesn't get us much closer to our larger goals (unless of course we are making a living learning how to become better and better algorithm writers, in which case we are probably not using xTalk at all). What matters to most of us is high level goals (How can I make my organization more responsive to change?, How can I help these students learn faster and more deeply?, How can I make this data more intuitive and functional?, How can I automate this repetitive task?, etc.), not the inane and removed mechanics of the language of logic. Sure, I am proud when I solve an algorithmic or notational problem in my scripting. But then I remember the original task at hand and the fact that my solution really won't help anyone else solve the same problem, and that brings even greater respect for the few nerds who cared about non-nerds and who could think clearly enough to see that even nerds would benefit from systems that facilitate natural (pedestrian) human cognition. The revolution that was "User Level Computing" was the revolutionary idea that being able to do something was not enough... that making difficult tasks easy made the real difference between theory and actual human practice. Einstien wrote down the rule: E=mc2... but nobody (except maybe the good people of the Manhattan Project) has built a "Relativity Engine" from it. Making an appliance from theory is the difference that makes the difference. Thank you Uncle Bill! Randall From devin_asay at byu.edu Mon Dec 31 15:01:52 2007 From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 13:01:52 -0700 Subject: Mainstack Substack clarification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49B4FFF5-AEDC-4DB6-9412-C537E41AEB7D@byu.edu> On Dec 31, 2007, at 12:39 PM, Mark Swindell wrote: > I'm just clarifying for myself what happens to a stack when its > Main Stack property is changed. > > Scenario: > Main stack "YellowStack" is opened and saved. > Main stack "BlueStack" is opened and saved. > > Now, in BlueStack's stack inspector I change its MainStack property > to "YellowStack." BlueStack is "subsumed" as a substack of > YellowStack, while its original incarnation, BlueStack, remains on > disk as a main stack, in its last saved state? > > Is this accurate? That's right; the stackfile "blueStack.rev" remains unchanged, and the latest version of stack "BlueStack" becomes part of the stackfile "YellowStack.rev". Devin From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com Mon Dec 31 15:07:24 2007 From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:07:24 -0600 Subject: OT: One Customer's Experience with her Computer's Warranty Message-ID: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com> I just felt I should share this, as it's a rather interesting chain of events. I have a customer that's been having problems with her brand new Gateway computer (purchased 3 months ago). Thus far, here are the list of problems encountered. Problem #1: Blue Screen: Hard Drive Failure. Solution: Drive reimaged by Service Center. Problem #2: Test Environment still loaded on PC from Service Center. Solution: Operating System Resoration CD's mailed to customer. Problem #3: Blue Screen: Hard Drive Failure. Restoration CD's fail. Solution: Drive replaced by Service Center. Problem #4: Customer Double-billed. Solution: Unresolved. Gateway is "investigating the issue". Problem #5: Unable to Dialup to Internet. Solution: Modem replaced with better quality modem (by Customer). Problem #6: Blue Screen: Video Card Failure. Solution: New card being shipped to the customer. I feel for the customer as she purchased this "high-end" machine for business use. Vista's been nothing but problems when the computer is running, and Gateway will not refund, nor will they replace the machine. I can only hope that the video card issue is the last in a long list of problems. And there *was* one other issue, the installation CD for Microsoft Office 2007 was damaged. Totally unrelated to Gateway, but still a thorn in her side. Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com ___________________________________________________________________ Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 15:07:14 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:07:14 -0800 Subject: Mainstack Substack clarification In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/31/07 11:39 AM, "Mark Swindell" wrote: > I'm just clarifying for myself what happens to a stack when its Main > Stack property is changed. A bit more accurate phrasing will help: The YellowStack is opened in memory is saved to the hard drive in the same location with same file name . The BlueStack is opened in memory, is redefined as a substack of the main stack YellowStack (which is also open at this time or it will not appear in the drop down menu of the inspector palette), then the save operation saves the file that the YellowStack is in, to the hard drive in the same location with same file name. The result is that there were two files in the beginning, and there are still two files. The difference is that the BlueStack stack exists in both files. After the last step above, the stack named "BlueStack" exists in memory as the subStack version. Since there can only be one stack of the same name open in memory with Rev, both stacks named "BlueStack" cannot be edited at the same time. The file name of the stack "BlueStack" can also be "BlueStack.rev", but it can actually be any name. Try quitting Rev, renaming the files on the hard drive to banana.rev and blueberry.rev, then opening banana.rev, then blueberry.rev to see the effect. Be careful in your concept of stack vs file-on-the-hard-drive vs stack in memory in the development environment. A stack is stored in the file. A substack is stored in the same file as the main stack (there can only be one main stack). In memory, a sub stack has/sub stacks have, a different message hierarchy than the main stack. Hopefully this will be clear, but of course, confusing at first. Jim Ault Las Vegas wondering what Devin is doing on a holiday answering email :-) On 12/31/07 11:39 AM, "Mark Swindell" wrote: > I'm just clarifying for myself what happens to a stack when its Main > Stack property is changed. > > Scenario: > Main stack "YellowStack" is opened and saved. > Main stack "BlueStack" is opened and saved. > > Now, in BlueStack's stack inspector I change its MainStack property > to "YellowStack." BlueStack is "subsumed" as a substack of > YellowStack, while its original incarnation, BlueStack, remains on > disk as a main stack, in its last saved state? > > Is this accurate? > > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription > preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mark at maseurope.net Mon Dec 31 15:09:24 2007 From: mark at maseurope.net (Mark Smith) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 20:09:24 +0000 Subject: Mainstack Substack clarification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87196FA9-8AC4-4D46-AE02-33BB05E43700@maseurope.net> Accurate in my experience. Best, Mark On 31 Dec 2007, at 19:39, Mark Swindell wrote: > I'm just clarifying for myself what happens to a stack when its > Main Stack property is changed. > > Scenario: > Main stack "YellowStack" is opened and saved. > Main stack "BlueStack" is opened and saved. > > Now, in BlueStack's stack inspector I change its MainStack property > to "YellowStack." BlueStack is "subsumed" as a substack of > YellowStack, while its original incarnation, BlueStack, remains on > disk as a main stack, in its last saved state? > > Is this accurate? > > Thanks, > Mark > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From bvg at mac.com Mon Dec 31 15:15:12 2007 From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:15:12 +0100 Subject: Mainstack Substack clarification In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45C8140A-DB90-4A03-BECE-BA4E6847A886@mac.com> On 31 Dec 2007, at 20:39, Mark Swindell wrote: > I'm just clarifying for myself what happens to a stack when its > Main Stack property is changed. > > Scenario: > Main stack "YellowStack" is opened and saved. > Main stack "BlueStack" is opened and saved. > > Now, in BlueStack's stack inspector I change its MainStack property > to "YellowStack." BlueStack is "subsumed" as a substack of > YellowStack, while its original incarnation, BlueStack, remains on > disk as a main stack, in its last saved state? > > Is this accurate? I'd say so. However, if rev crashes now, yellow stack on the disk won't have a substack either :) One of the most strangest thing I had to get in regards to rev, is the multiple kinds of stacks. here a list i wrote on the forum once: 1 Stacks are files 2 Stacks are part of files when they're called mainstacks and substacks 3 Each stack file has exactly one mainstack 4 A stack file can have many substacks 5 A mainstack and it's substacks which are an executable can't be saved 6 Mainstacks and substacks can also exist only in memory, without being within files or executables Your problem sounds like it's covered by the last point... -- official ChatRev page: http://chatrev.bjoernke.com Chat with other RunRev developers: go stack URL "http://homepage.mac.com/bvg/chatrev1.3.rev" From bvlahos at mac.com Mon Dec 31 15:17:48 2007 From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 12:17:48 -0800 Subject: Recipes application In-Reply-To: <69DFFFCC-1AB6-4EA9-AC59-D73FA2201559@gmail.com> References: <69DFFFCC-1AB6-4EA9-AC59-D73FA2201559@gmail.com> Message-ID: Peter, I downloaded the Mac version but it doesn't launch on an Intel Mac with Leopard. It starts to open and then nothing happens. Bill On Dec 31, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Peter Brigham wrote: > FYI, I just finished up creating my first standalone (with help from > a variety of people on this list). It's a little application that > allows you to store, print, import and export recipes. Tired of > trying to read those old butter-stained pieces of paper in that > overstuffed folder you keep somewhere in your kitchen? Try printing > out a copy of the recipe each time you cook. That way you can easily > give copies to your friends when they say "I've got to have that > recipe!" Plus, you can easily import/export a recipe to or from the > clipboard for exchanging recipes by email, for instance. Import > recipes in Meal-Master or MasterCook formats, so you can easily > collect recipes from the web. Freeware. Available at: > > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/RecipeFile.html > > I'm particularly interested in feedback from the Windows users out > there, as I have limited access to a Windows machine for testing. > The Windows version should work fine (I hope), but the look-and-feel > might need some tweaking. > > Not a very sophisticated app, but useful -- I've been using a > version of it in the Mac IDE for several years, and my wife has come > to depend on it. The hidden agenda is that it's a dry run on > building a standalone out of a much more complex stack system I use > in my practice, for eventual marketing, so the experience has been > good for learning. > > -- Peter > > Peter M. Brigham > pmbrig at gmail.com > http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ > > --I try to take one day at a time, but occasionally several days > attack me at once. > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mikeythek at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 15:22:58 2007 From: mikeythek at gmail.com (Mikey) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:22:58 -0500 Subject: OT: One Customer's Experience with her Computer's Warranty In-Reply-To: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com> References: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com> Message-ID: <9b408d8e0712311222o6c1df973wf7e8b53fa2f15550@mail.gmail.com> We have two machines that we purchased with Vista pre-installed with them. The one has been a real headache. The other I'm not putting in service until we have all the issues resolved with the first. In the interim, all new machines are being ordered with XP on them (as we were probably going to do anyway unless the Vista experience was flawless). From nealk3nc at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 15:34:07 2007 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell K3NC) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:34:07 -0500 Subject: OT: One Customer's Experience with her Computer's Warranty In-Reply-To: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com> References: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com> Message-ID: I would consider the broken office 2007 as a blessing, its the most difficult program suite to use that I have ever seen (and this goes back to the very first versions of slackware, etc.) The ribbon interface is so much work I uninstalled it and put the old versions back on. Neal Campbell K3NC nealk3nc at gmail.com AIM:nealk3nc telnet to our DX Spotting clusters at: dxc.k3nc.com, ports 12001 and 23 "Devoted to Dogs: How to be your dog's best owner" Great Dog Book at www.abrohamneal.com On Dec 31, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Derek Bump wrote: > I just felt I should share this, as it's a rather interesting chain of > events. I have a customer that's been having problems with her brand > new Gateway computer (purchased 3 months ago). Thus far, here are the > list of problems encountered. > > > Problem #1: Blue Screen: Hard Drive Failure. > Solution: Drive reimaged by Service Center. > > Problem #2: Test Environment still loaded on PC from Service Center. > Solution: Operating System Resoration CD's mailed to customer. > > Problem #3: Blue Screen: Hard Drive Failure. Restoration CD's fail. > Solution: Drive replaced by Service Center. > > Problem #4: Customer Double-billed. > Solution: Unresolved. Gateway is "investigating the issue". > > Problem #5: Unable to Dialup to Internet. > Solution: Modem replaced with better quality modem (by Customer). > > Problem #6: Blue Screen: Video Card Failure. > Solution: New card being shipped to the customer. > > > I feel for the customer as she purchased this "high-end" machine for > business use. Vista's been nothing but problems when the computer is > running, and Gateway will not refund, nor will they replace the > machine. > > I can only hope that the video card issue is the last in a long list > of > problems. And there *was* one other issue, the installation CD for > Microsoft Office 2007 was damaged. Totally unrelated to Gateway, but > still a thorn in her side. > > > Derek Bump > Dreamscape Software > http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! > http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From downs.david.j at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 16:13:34 2007 From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (j downs) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:13:34 -0600 Subject: OT: One Customer's Experience with her Computer's Warranty In-Reply-To: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com> References: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com> Message-ID: <6EA61D21-B595-4C34-BCB0-03E7736D6CB6@gmail.com> > I feel for the customer as she purchased this "high-end" machine for > business use. Vista's been nothing but problems when the computer is > running, and Gateway will not refund, nor will they replace the > machine. What is Gateway's length of warranty? J. From downs.david.j at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 16:14:50 2007 From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (j downs) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:14:50 -0600 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If all you want to do is sell Rev to that small niche (perhaps even smaller than the potential niche of the ed market!) of savvy programmers who aren't afraid to use something other than the commonly-accepted programming languages of C/++/#, Java etc., then fine; but if you want to open up Rev's installed user base into other areas, these HC-like stacks are a must have. About two billion school-age children worldwide. More than 120 million students in higher education. These markets have been neglected?strike that, completely ignored?by those who create the tools to develop software since the late '90s. Why no one wants to tap this enormous revenue stream is beyond me. J. From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com Mon Dec 31 16:18:30 2007 From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:18:30 -0600 Subject: OT: One Customer's Experience with her Computer's Warranty In-Reply-To: References: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com> Message-ID: <47795CA6.7060701@dreamscapesoftware.com> I felt the same way, so I offered to put OpenOffice.org onto her computer. She's been using it (when the computer was working) and likes it much better than Office 2007. Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com ___________________________________________________________________ Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ Neal Campbell K3NC wrote: > I would consider the broken office 2007 as a blessing, its the most > difficult program suite to use that I have ever seen (and this goes back > to the very first versions of slackware, etc.) > > The ribbon interface is so much work I uninstalled it and put the old > versions back on. > > > Neal Campbell K3NC > nealk3nc at gmail.com > AIM:nealk3nc > > telnet to our DX Spotting clusters at: dxc.k3nc.com, ports 12001 and 23 > > "Devoted to Dogs: How to be your dog's best owner" > Great Dog Book at www.abrohamneal.com > > > > > On Dec 31, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Derek Bump wrote: > >> I just felt I should share this, as it's a rather interesting chain of >> events. I have a customer that's been having problems with her brand >> new Gateway computer (purchased 3 months ago). Thus far, here are the >> list of problems encountered. >> >> >> Problem #1: Blue Screen: Hard Drive Failure. >> Solution: Drive reimaged by Service Center. >> >> Problem #2: Test Environment still loaded on PC from Service Center. >> Solution: Operating System Resoration CD's mailed to customer. >> >> Problem #3: Blue Screen: Hard Drive Failure. Restoration CD's fail. >> Solution: Drive replaced by Service Center. >> >> Problem #4: Customer Double-billed. >> Solution: Unresolved. Gateway is "investigating the issue". >> >> Problem #5: Unable to Dialup to Internet. >> Solution: Modem replaced with better quality modem (by Customer). >> >> Problem #6: Blue Screen: Video Card Failure. >> Solution: New card being shipped to the customer. >> >> >> I feel for the customer as she purchased this "high-end" machine for >> business use. Vista's been nothing but problems when the computer is >> running, and Gateway will not refund, nor will they replace the machine. >> >> I can only hope that the video card issue is the last in a long list of >> problems. And there *was* one other issue, the installation CD for >> Microsoft Office 2007 was damaged. Totally unrelated to Gateway, but >> still a thorn in her side. >> >> >> Derek Bump >> Dreamscape Software >> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! >> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com Mon Dec 31 16:18:52 2007 From: runrev at dreamscapesoftware.com (Derek Bump) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:18:52 -0600 Subject: OT: One Customer's Experience with her Computer's Warranty In-Reply-To: <6EA61D21-B595-4C34-BCB0-03E7736D6CB6@gmail.com> References: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com> <6EA61D21-B595-4C34-BCB0-03E7736D6CB6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47795CBC.80901@dreamscapesoftware.com> 1 Year... and she's had it for 3 months. Derek Bump Dreamscape Software http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com ___________________________________________________________________ Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ j downs wrote: >> I feel for the customer as she purchased this "high-end" machine for >> business use. Vista's been nothing but problems when the computer is >> running, and Gateway will not refund, nor will they replace the machine. > > What is Gateway's length of warranty? > > J. > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From downs.david.j at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 16:27:52 2007 From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (j downs) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 15:27:52 -0600 Subject: OT: One Customer's Experience with her Computer's Warranty In-Reply-To: <47795CBC.80901@dreamscapesoftware.com> References: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com> <6EA61D21-B595-4C34-BCB0-03E7736D6CB6@gmail.com> <47795CBC.80901@dreamscapesoftware.com> Message-ID: > 1 Year... and she's had it for 3 months. Moral: Never Use Windows. Personally, I'd be calling Gateway four times per day until they replaced the machine. It clearly meets the textbook definition of defective. J. From nealk3nc at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 16:29:54 2007 From: nealk3nc at gmail.com (Neal Campbell K3NC) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:29:54 -0500 Subject: OT: One Customer's Experience with her Computer's Warranty In-Reply-To: <47795CA6.7060701@dreamscapesoftware.com> References: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com> <47795CA6.7060701@dreamscapesoftware.com> Message-ID: <3615CFC2-26ED-45AD-A33C-5DBDF01D725B@gmail.com> They say (somewhere and its quoted in a Mac TV ad) that the Macbooks are the fastest laptops running windows right now. The only thing bootcamp really does is setup the proper boot loader and provides drivers to access the machine's hardware so outside of things like mapping the Mac keyboard to windows, mouse buttons,etc, it really is just a windows machine. As an interesting aside, I am a member of a local dot net SIG that meets once a month. Last month, Microsoft held an installfest where they gave free copies of Visual Studio 2008 Pro to registered attendees. At the table I was at while installing it, the 3 other guys were also using their macbooks. Here we are at a microsoft meeting and an entire table is running Macs! FYI I was the only one running bootcamp (others were using parallels) and Vista (boy its slow compared to XP). HNY Neal Campbell www.abrohamnealsoftware.com AIM:nealk3nc On Dec 31, 2007, at 4:18 PM, Derek Bump wrote: > I felt the same way, so I offered to put OpenOffice.org onto her > computer. She's been using it (when the computer was working) and > likes > it much better than Office 2007. > > > Derek Bump > Dreamscape Software > http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! > http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ > > > Neal Campbell K3NC wrote: >> I would consider the broken office 2007 as a blessing, its the most >> difficult program suite to use that I have ever seen (and this goes >> back >> to the very first versions of slackware, etc.) >> >> The ribbon interface is so much work I uninstalled it and put the old >> versions back on. >> >> >> Neal Campbell K3NC >> nealk3nc at gmail.com >> AIM:nealk3nc >> >> telnet to our DX Spotting clusters at: dxc.k3nc.com, ports 12001 >> and 23 >> >> "Devoted to Dogs: How to be your dog's best owner" >> Great Dog Book at www.abrohamneal.com >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 31, 2007, at 3:07 PM, Derek Bump wrote: >> >>> I just felt I should share this, as it's a rather interesting >>> chain of >>> events. I have a customer that's been having problems with her >>> brand >>> new Gateway computer (purchased 3 months ago). Thus far, here are >>> the >>> list of problems encountered. >>> >>> >>> Problem #1: Blue Screen: Hard Drive Failure. >>> Solution: Drive reimaged by Service Center. >>> >>> Problem #2: Test Environment still loaded on PC from Service Center. >>> Solution: Operating System Resoration CD's mailed to customer. >>> >>> Problem #3: Blue Screen: Hard Drive Failure. Restoration CD's fail. >>> Solution: Drive replaced by Service Center. >>> >>> Problem #4: Customer Double-billed. >>> Solution: Unresolved. Gateway is "investigating the issue". >>> >>> Problem #5: Unable to Dialup to Internet. >>> Solution: Modem replaced with better quality modem (by Customer). >>> >>> Problem #6: Blue Screen: Video Card Failure. >>> Solution: New card being shipped to the customer. >>> >>> >>> I feel for the customer as she purchased this "high-end" machine for >>> business use. Vista's been nothing but problems when the computer >>> is >>> running, and Gateway will not refund, nor will they replace the >>> machine. >>> >>> I can only hope that the video card issue is the last in a long >>> list of >>> problems. And there *was* one other issue, the installation CD for >>> Microsoft Office 2007 was damaged. Totally unrelated to Gateway, >>> but >>> still a thorn in her side. >>> >>> >>> Derek Bump >>> Dreamscape Software >>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com >>> >>> ___________________________________________________________________ >>> Compress your photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress 2.9! >>> http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/products/jpegcompress/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> use-revolution mailing list >>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >>> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >>> subscription preferences: >>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution >> > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From wjm at wjm.org Mon Dec 31 16:23:11 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:23:11 -0500 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x References: <89E141B8-FB00-4071-B421-3C29CD55A77D@randallreetz.com> Message-ID: Hi Randall, Each new release of Revolution brings enhancements to the xTalk language. In Revolution 2.9 Beta 9, we introduced the new terms "begins with" and "ends with" for string comparisons, for example. Looking forward, we hope to consider columns in tabular data as a chunk. Whether we add the specific syntax you suggested remains to be seen. > When we are each required to write low level functions for common > requests "Which word contains char 33", we are pulled away from the > higher level tasks at hand I don't consider the work needed to get what you wanted to be terribly low-level. Looking at your list of desired syntax, these are readily solved with just one or two lines of xTalk using the current chunk expressions. In fact, relative to any other language out there, they are a piece of cake. (And execute extremely quickly.) The difficulty was understanding what you wanted in the first place. I think you received seven different interpretations of your original request! Imagine how a computer would struggle with this. This reminds me a little bit of handwriting recognition. Apple Newton tried to do it full-on and the result was "Newton Poetry" with hilarious misinterpretations of what people wrote. Palm trumped it with Graffiti, which required a slight adjustment on the user's part when it came to how letters were written, but yielded superior results. Nowadays, it seems the inelegant keyboard is still the king of the hill as most people prefer it to either -- even though handwriting recognition and processor power has advanced considerably since 1993. Even on tiny devices like the Blackberry, using just their thumbs, people find a physical keyboard faster and more precise. Will we ever get to a day when people can talk to their computers ala Star Trek? Probably. But be prepared for some hiccups along the way. http://www.zuschlogin.com/content/blogimages/scotty_trek4.jpg > I would hope that we all continue to respect Bill's original intent by > remembering and honoring the elegance and egalitarian humanity of his > work. This respect should go beyond simple romanticism. It should guide > our purchasing decisions and our expectations afterwards. I hope by this you are urging everyone to continue to invest in Revolution, which is the most popular and most advanced incarnation of Atkinson's dream to date, more accessible than ever before (starting at $49 and running on all major platforms) and exploiting the capabilities of those platforms to the utmost. When I think of how far Revolution has come compared to any corresponding span of time under Apple's stewardship (and their vastly larger resources) I'm pretty impressed. - Bill, RunRev marketing guy http://runrev.com/offers/rshb From wjm at wjm.org Mon Dec 31 16:35:32 2007 From: wjm at wjm.org (Bill Marriott) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 16:35:32 -0500 Subject: OT: One Customer's Experience with her Computer's Warranty References: <47794BFC.40708@dreamscapesoftware.com><47795CA6.7060701@dreamscapesoftware.com> <3615CFC2-26ED-45AD-A33C-5DBDF01D725B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Here's an even better one for you: A year ago when Microsoft was trying to get people into its new Expression line of software, they held events around the country showing off the product. I attended one; every presenter was using a Macbook or MacBook Pro, even the blue-badge Microsofties. If you took a photo of just the podium, you'd think the glowing Apple logos indicated a Mac conference! "Neal Campbell K3NC" wrote... > As an interesting aside, I am a member of a local dot net SIG that meets > once a month. Last month, Microsoft held an installfest where they gave > free copies of Visual Studio 2008 Pro to registered attendees. At the > table I was at while installing it, the 3 other guys were also using > their macbooks. Here we are at a microsoft meeting and an entire table is > running Macs! FYI I was the only one running bootcamp (others were using > parallels) and Vista (boy its slow compared to XP). From randall at randallreetz.com Mon Dec 31 17:27:01 2007 From: randall at randallreetz.com (Randall Lee Reetz) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:27:01 -0800 Subject: the char number of char 1 of word x Message-ID: <20071231222703.MXDL25821.atlmtaow02.cingularme.com@Inbox> Wait a min bill. There was confusion on this list because i was trying to describe something that doesnt exist... If it existed there would be a standard, and unique way to script it (not confusing to humans or the interpreter). -----Original Message----- From: "Bill Marriott" To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Sent: 12/31/2007 1:23 PM Subject: Re: the char number of char 1 of word x Hi Randall, Each new release of Revolution brings enhancements to the xTalk language. In Revolution 2.9 Beta 9, we introduced the new terms "begins with" and "ends with" for string comparisons, for example. Looking forward, we hope to consider columns in tabular data as a chunk. Whether we add the specific syntax you suggested remains to be seen. > When we are each required to write low level functions for common > requests "Which word contains char 33", we are pulled away from the > higher level tasks at hand I don't consider the work needed to get what you wanted to be terribly low-level. Looking at your list of desired syntax, these are readily solved with just one or two lines of xTalk using the current chunk expressions. In fact, relative to any other language out there, they are a piece of cake. (And execute extremely quickly.) The difficulty was understanding what you wanted in the first place. I think you received seven different interpretations of your original request! Imagine how a computer would struggle with this. This reminds me a little bit of handwriting recognition. Apple Newton tried to do it full-on and the result was "Newton Poetry" with hilarious misinterpretations of what people wrote. Palm trumped it with Graffiti, which required a slight adjustment on the user's part when it came to how letters were written, but yielded superior results. Nowadays, it seems the inelegant keyboard is still the king of the hill as most people prefer it to either -- even though handwriting recognition and processor power has advanced considerably since 1993. Even on tiny devices like the Blackberry, using just their thumbs, people find a physical keyboard faster and more precise. Will we ever get to a day when people can talk to their computers ala Star Trek? Probably. But be prepared for some hiccups along the way. http://www.zuschlogin.com/content/blogimages/scotty_trek4.jpg > I would hope that we all continue to respect Bill's original intent by > remembering and honoring the elegance and egalitarian humanity of his > work. This respect should go beyond simple romanticism. It should guide > our purchasing decisions and our expectations afterwards. I hope by this you are urging everyone to continue to invest in Revolution, which is the most popular and most advanced incarnation of Atkinson's dream to date, more accessible than ever before (starting at $49 and running on all major platforms) and exploiting the capabilities of those platforms to the utmost. When I think of how far Revolution has come compared to any corresponding span of time under Apple's stewardship (and their vastly larger resources) I'm pretty impressed. - Bill, RunRev marketing guy http://runrev.com/offers/rshb _______________________________________________ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution at lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Mon Dec 31 17:30:04 2007 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 14:30:04 -0800 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 12/31/07 1:14 PM, "j downs" wrote: > If all you want to do is sell Rev to that small niche (perhaps even > smaller than the potential niche of the ed market!) of savvy > programmers who aren't afraid to use something other than the > commonly-accepted programming languages of C/++/#, Java etc., then > fine; but if you want to open up Rev's installed user base into other > areas, these HC-like stacks are a must have. > > About two billion school-age children worldwide. More than 120 > million students in higher education. These markets have been > neglected?strike that, completely ignored?by those who create the > tools to develop software since the late '90s. Why no one wants to > tap this enormous revenue stream is beyond me. > > J. In my very limited experience, ... you could start with a plethora of legacy equipment and operating systems, then move to a demand for volume discounts and a very low per student cost, moving to buy-once-use-for-decades, and factor in that most educators are not good tech support personnel. I think much of the software is purchased by administrators for school-wide use thus you would have to be part of a program or package. And of course, language (localization) would become a factor. There are several people on this list who are very knowledgeable in the area of education hardware and software, so they will be able to comment much more intelligently than I would on the subject. ------------ Devin Assay, BYU Wilhelm Sanke, Prof. Mark Talluto http://www.canelasoftware.com/education/products.html Richard Mathewson, to name a few. ----------------- Jim Ault Las Vegas From SimPLsol at aol.com Mon Dec 31 18:17:24 2007 From: SimPLsol at aol.com (SimPLsol at aol.com) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 18:17:24 EST Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard Message-ID: You can buy a lot of library books for the price of a computer lab. Paul Looney ************************************** See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) From iowahengst at mac.com Mon Dec 31 18:30:21 2007 From: iowahengst at mac.com (Randy Hengst) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:30:21 -0600 Subject: Recipes application In-Reply-To: References: <69DFFFCC-1AB6-4EA9-AC59-D73FA2201559@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3E39F1CC-9C81-46CA-A92B-6DCA9575C13C@mac.com> Peter, My experience is the same as Bill's. Mac, PowerBook G4, 10.4.10. take care, randy ----- On Dec 31, 2007, at 2:17 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: > Peter, > > I downloaded the Mac version but it doesn't launch on an Intel Mac > with Leopard. It starts to open and then nothing happens. > > Bill > > On Dec 31, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Peter Brigham wrote: > >> FYI, I just finished up creating my first standalone (with help >> from a variety of people on this list). It's a little application >> that allows you to store, print, import and export recipes. Tired >> of trying to read those old butter-stained pieces of paper in that >> overstuffed folder you keep somewhere in your kitchen? Try >> printing out a copy of the recipe each time you cook. That way you >> can easily give copies to your friends when they say "I've got to >> have that recipe!" Plus, you can easily import/export a recipe to >> or from the clipboard for exchanging recipes by email, for >> instance. Import recipes in Meal-Master or MasterCook formats, so >> you can easily collect recipes from the web. Freeware. Available at: >> >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/RecipeFile.html >> >> I'm particularly interested in feedback from the Windows users out >> there, as I have limited access to a Windows machine for testing. >> The Windows version should work fine (I hope), but the look-and- >> feel might need some tweaking. >> >> Not a very sophisticated app, but useful -- I've been using a >> version of it in the Mac IDE for several years, and my wife has >> come to depend on it. The hidden agenda is that it's a dry run on >> building a standalone out of a much more complex stack system I >> use in my practice, for eventual marketing, so the experience has >> been good for learning. >> >> -- Peter >> >> Peter M. Brigham >> pmbrig at gmail.com >> http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig/ >> >> --I try to take one day at a time, but occasionally several days >> attack me at once. >> _______________________________________________ >> use-revolution mailing list >> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com >> Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your >> subscription preferences: >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From mickclns at mac.com Mon Dec 31 19:06:09 2007 From: mickclns at mac.com (Mick Collins) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:06:09 -0500 Subject: about the list Message-ID: <652624EF-A25A-425D-9EB8-6CF908CF3EF0@mac.com> I sent a msg to the list, which was turned down for having more than 36000 bytes. I counted less than 4500. Can anyone explain this to me? From sarah.reichelt at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 20:46:21 2007 From: sarah.reichelt at gmail.com (Sarah Reichelt) Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 11:46:21 +1000 Subject: about the list In-Reply-To: <652624EF-A25A-425D-9EB8-6CF908CF3EF0@mac.com> References: <652624EF-A25A-425D-9EB8-6CF908CF3EF0@mac.com> Message-ID: On Jan 1, 2008 10:06 AM, Mick Collins wrote: > I sent a msg to the list, which was turned down for having more than > 36000 bytes. > I counted less than 4500. Can anyone explain this to me? Did you try to send an attachment with it? Happy New year everyone :-) Sarah From downs.david.j at gmail.com Mon Dec 31 20:59:53 2007 From: downs.david.j at gmail.com (j downs) Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:59:53 -0600 Subject: Engelbart and Kay --was: Back to the Future with Hypercard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <275433F7-90D8-419D-8120-C664BF908003@gmail.com> > You can buy a lot of library books for the price of a computer lab. My rural, moderately low SES (approx. 30% Free and Reduced Lunch) elementary school has a full-loaded computer lab and *ten* technology- focused regular third and fourth grade classrooms (each equipped with 16 desktop computers, an interactive SMARTboard, scanners, printers, high-quality Internet video-conferencing unit, etc). Computers are replaced with brand new machines on a three or four year rotation. Including the lab, that's 185 machines just begging to have software installed on them in *one* grades 2-5 school serving just under 400 students. A ratio of nearly 1 computer to every 2 children, not counting teacher workstations and the networked mini-labs of two to four slightly older machines in each of the non-technology classrooms. Plenty of other schools have similar setups. Considering the number of children in schools, the potential sales become mind-boggling pretty darn quickly. Besides, who needs books when you have the Internet? ;-P J.