From bridgeyman at gmail.com Wed Nov 1 01:13:07 2006 From: bridgeyman at gmail.com (Bridger Maxwell) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:13:07 -0700 Subject: Fonts in a Stack In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0610312007u37207e7fs18795043022cf7e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <86ae76bb0610312007u37207e7fs18795043022cf7e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <86ae76bb0610312213o5fb1c82cxcb7b3494f4c46ea4@mail.gmail.com> Wow, that looks like the exact thing I was looking for. Just a question, does it actually install the font? I don't mind it if does I guess, but somehow it would be cooler if nothing was left on the users computer. TTFN Bridger From lists at mangomultimedia.com Wed Nov 1 01:23:03 2006 From: lists at mangomultimedia.com (Trevor DeVore) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:23:03 -0800 Subject: [ANN] Quicktime Issues Wiki In-Reply-To: <4547FADF.9060402@hindu.org> References: <4547FADF.9060402@hindu.org> Message-ID: <281F4FEC-ED32-4847-B138-C55C0E4BDA88@mangomultimedia.com> On Oct 31, 2006, at 5:39 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote: > OK let's try again with the right URL! (so far only one response. > Either > Rev users have no interest in the subject or QT really is > dead!) Now, now QuickTime is far from dead. It has never had as large an install base as it has today and it has never had as good of support for Windows technologies as it does today. It is very much alive. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Learning Systems - www.bluemangolearning.com trevor at bluemangolearning.com From b.xavier at internet.lu Wed Nov 1 01:37:30 2006 From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 07:37:30 +0100 Subject: Revolution Web Browser Plugin In-Reply-To: <20061101031121.0ECBA4CC08C@mailgate.online.lu> Message-ID: <20061101062308.E05B07382A7@mailgate.online.lu> Ouch, what did I said at 4 AM waking up?! I wrote a huge response for 2 hours... positive but giving away too many hints... Lets rewrite clearer... sorry for the offensive words this morning to the better knowing... What I mean is that you can use rev on the web but via cgi. You can't manipulate stack parts, but then there's a bigger DOM world out there for the taking... I haven't tried ajax with the cgi though... don't know if it will handle the threads either - BUT with svg graphics, ajax techniques something IS definitely possible! ;) Using Apache is probably easier and more efficient though ;) Rev in a web page makes and doesn't make sense, though... For one, rev an an application maker, makes it too easy compared to the hastle of making web pages! And take the browser's added weight/distraction away too! And it's faster in response time too. Alas, Rev is not as standard looking as the browser (starting but there's a big detail missing... it doesn't have the text publishing and DOM support. Using rev to make web plugin applications would be awesome! Easy! Yet it wouldn't support DOM. HTML either wouldn't be supported correctly via clipboard, and the buttons wouldn't be as awkward looking sometimes... http://www.google.com/ig is possible though... surely... Rev in a Web in a plugin? Unlike Acrobat you can't really do text formating without QuarkXpress-like layouts in rev (watchout for text overflow...). Actually you can't make a simple "wordpad" emulator. You can't have different alignments per paragraph! Actually you can... Unlike real html, you can't do pretty tables in rev easily either... Yes, there's workarounds, but then the effort required is multiplied a lot (like per column field)! And if you need to change the fixedlineheight to non-fixed, you loose the hgrids, scrolling and selecting becomes a chore in screen updates too... I wrote for three hours about this because this is a can of worms! And I've gone through it not just once... so maybe a rev plugin for graphics would be cool but... im not sure it's going to be compatible or as good looking as the web parts around it... And I learned quite a bit from it! Mostly that you use the web for remote work. Firewalls can be a blocker for compiled apps using ports for example or you can't run any downloaded exe in some corporate networks/computer builds sometimes. But compiled apps are much faster than any web based system - no matter how fast your network! Ajax resolves this a bit... It sure makes the web closer to runrev in appearance but it's still far (light years) from being as easy as making apps in rev. Problem is that web development goes faster than light... The good thing is that rev can serve up any web page anytime you ask it... just point your browser to 127.0.0.1 to any port 80 socket waiting stack! What it replies is just a question of what you throw at it from rev! Thanks to Chipp, there's a solution to that text formating issue with alignments for your stacks. making html tables and dropping them into an altbrowser fields should be easy! twas my 2 cents in 3 hours :) A thousand excuses for the offlist-intended rudeness intended for those who tend to say no and add personal opinions or noise to signal. I wanted to say something fair and concrete to not disfavor neither rev's achievements and it's users needs. Certainly web delivery of your stack would be cool! We can't deny the fact and lack of feature... Good morning Europe Xavier > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of MisterX > Sent: Wednesday, 01 November, 2006 04:26 > To: 'How to use Revolution' > Subject: RE: Revolution Web Browser Plugin > > offlist... > > this has been requested since years (at least 5) continually. > > unfortunately it's been ignored or put-off or you will get a > marketing lesson from those who think they know better in the > mailist... > > cheers > Xavier > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of Derek > > Bump > > Sent: Wednesday, 01 November, 2006 03:54 > > To: How to use Revolution > > Subject: Revolution Web Browser Plugin > > > > I just tried searching Bugzilla for anything related to an > enhancement > > request for a Web Browser Plugin that would allow > Revolution Projects > > to be viewed within Internet Explorer, Safari, Firefox and > any other > > browser out there. Sadly, I didn't see anything. > > > > Has anyone requested this type of enhancement before? If > not, is this > > something to request, or is there some genius programmer out there > > already working on something like this? > > > > Derek Bump > > Dreamscape Software > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Compress photos quickly and easily with JPEGCompress! > > http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > use-revolution mailing list > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > > subscription preferences: > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From herndogy at sbcglobal.net Wed Nov 1 01:27:08 2006 From: herndogy at sbcglobal.net (Dave Herndon) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:27:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: my Variable watcher no longer appears in debug mode Message-ID: <20061101062708.42053.qmail@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This has got me bugging. Two or three days now and I havent been able to bring up the VW window in debug mode. (v2.73) I am thinking of re-downloading rev to see if that helps. Any ideas? It just is no where to bee seen! Wierd. Dave From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu Wed Nov 1 01:37:23 2006 From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 22:37:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Fonts in a Stack In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0610312007u37207e7fs18795043022cf7e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I think Chipp has one (a plug-in thingy, I think). http://www.altuit.com/ I wasn't able to quickly find it, but I could swear he had one... HTH, Judy On Tue, 31 Oct 2006, Bridger Maxwell wrote: > Hey, > For a stack I am making, I have a very specific font that I am wanting to > use, but it is not a font that would be one most people's computers. Is > there a way to install a font from within Revolution, or if possible, use a > font that is not installed. This would be intended for Mac OSX and > Windows. I know that this probably won't work, but you never know... > > TTFN > Bridger > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > From chipp at chipp.com Wed Nov 1 01:46:56 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 00:46:56 -0600 Subject: Fonts in a Stack In-Reply-To: <86ae76bb0610312213o5fb1c82cxcb7b3494f4c46ea4@mail.gmail.com> References: <86ae76bb0610312007u37207e7fs18795043022cf7e9@mail.gmail.com> <86ae76bb0610312213o5fb1c82cxcb7b3494f4c46ea4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210610312246u283cb27cw8f6b355004c4f030@mail.gmail.com> Hi Bridger, No, it does NOT install the font permanently, only while the app is open. -Chipp On 11/1/06, Bridger Maxwell wrote: > > Wow, that looks like the exact thing I was looking for. Just a question, > does it actually install the font? I don't mind it if does I guess, but > somehow it would be cooler if nothing was left on the users computer. > > TTFN > Bridger > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your > subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution > > From b.xavier at internet.lu Wed Nov 1 02:20:32 2006 From: b.xavier at internet.lu (MisterX) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 08:20:32 +0100 Subject: my Variable watcher no longer appears in debug mode In-Reply-To: <20061101062708.42053.qmail@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20061101070609.E456C73840E@mailgate.online.lu> type this in the message box (tools->message box) put the visible of stack "revvariablewatcher" put the visible of stack "revvariablewatcher" -- hide stack "revvariablewatcher" show stack "revvariablewatcher" that should bring it back... if it don't, type further in the msg box: put the rect of stack "revvariablewatcher" set it to something cool. > -----Original Message----- > From: use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com > [mailto:use-revolution-bounces at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of > Dave Herndon > Sent: Wednesday, 01 November, 2006 07:27 > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Subject: my Variable watcher no longer appears in debug mode > > This has got me bugging. Two or three days now and I havent > been able to bring up the VW window in debug mode. (v2.73) I > am thinking of re-downloading rev to see if that helps. Any > ideas? It just is no where to bee seen! Wierd. > Dave > _______________________________________________ > use-revolution mailing list > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com > Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage > your subscription preferences: > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution From chipp at chipp.com Wed Nov 1 02:18:28 2006 From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 01:18:28 -0600 Subject: Rules governing stack purging In-Reply-To: <4547B4EB.60905@fourthworld.com> References: <4547B4EB.60905@fourthworld.com> Message-ID: <7aa52a210610312318s220421dfu718440d0d642c46c@mail.gmail.com> I'm going to have to agree with Dave and Trevor. I've always thought destroyStack comes into play only when closing stacks. If set to true, the stack is purged from memory (usually). I pretty much always use an explicit 'delete stack "xyz"' when I want to make sure a mainstack is closed. And like Dave, I, too, use stacks as repositories for data. Richard, I'm not sure I understand your comment about parsing the stack file format. I'm pretty sure Dave is just talking about using stacks to store data in-- separate from the business logic of the application. I typically use: go inv stack "xyz" when I want to access data from a stack. Though I also frequently check a custom prop for versioning, too. In both cases, I'm careful to 'delete' the stack when done. I think Dave's point regarding reading customProps from a stack, doing something with them, then saving them to the stack and finally closing it, is common among many of us who use customProps to hold data. Finally, Richard, I know you use the fine MC IDE and have a whole sweet(sp) of tools you use. But, in the Rev IDE, I'm with Jacque and one of the first things I do is set the default pref for destroyStack to true. It just works better. I think it should be the default. I guess it's one of choice. Mine is to leave it like it is, but I do agree some naming nomenclature may be necessary. I particularly like the notion of a 'purge stack' command. -Chipp From JimAultWins at yahoo.com Wed Nov 1 01:41:11 2006 From: JimAultWins at yahoo.com (Jim Ault) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 23:41:11 -0700 Subject: my Variable watcher no longer appears in debug mode In-Reply-To: <20061101062708.42053.qmail@web81806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 10/31/06 11:27 PM, "Dave Herndon" wrote: > This has got me bugging. Two or three days now and I havent been able to > bring up the VW window in debug mode. (v2.73) I am thinking of re-downloading > rev to see if that helps. Any ideas? It just is no where to bee seen! > Wierd. > Dave It could be off screen or not visible Try this first in the message box.... put the loc of stack revvariablewatcher then set the loc of stack revvariablewatcher the to screenloc or go to Tools:Application Browser, then open the Rev preferences, click the check box that says "Revolution UI elements appear in lists of stacks" --now the stack near the bottom of the list should be visible and now turn off the checkbox to shorten the list Rev 2.6.1, Mac OSX 10.4.7 Jim Ault Las Vegas From wouter.abraham at scarlet.be Wed Nov 1 04:50:19 2006 From: wouter.abraham at scarlet.be (wouter) Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 10:50:19 +0100 Subject: If the visible of the menubar is true? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95DF07F1-C537-4136-A2B3-494D9DF7BE4E@scarlet.be> On 01 Nov 2006, at 04:13, Ken Ray wrote: > On 10/31/06 9:01 PM, "Ken Ray" wrote: > >> On 10/31/06 8:48 PM, "Richard Gaskin" >> wrote: >> >>> wouter wrote: >>> >>>> On Mac OS X (didn't test in OS 9) you can use the following >>>> to test for the visible of the menubar: >>>> >>>> put the menubar is not hidden >>>> or >>>> put the menubar is hidden >>> >>> "hidden"? >>> >>> Wow. Never would have guessed that one. >>> >>> Is that token used for any other element in the language? >>> >>> I wonder why "visible" is not used for the menubar as it is for >>> everything else... >> >> Actually you *can* use it, like: >> >> put the menubar is visible >> put the menubar is not visible >> actually this won't work correctly (my fault for not testing thoroughly (I confess)) try: menubar visible : put the menubar is